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How we doing?

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Good. Good. How's it going?

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How was your weekend? Yeah, Marissa,

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a baby shower on Saturday, so that was cool.

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Linda's sister. Okay. Does she live here?

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There on national. Okay. Yeah, they're

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Our workshops as well as our meetings.

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We are gonna get back to the premise that this is times

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to do city business with city staff in the public eye.

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We're gonna try to actually get refocused back on that, that

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during these workshops as well as our nightly meetings,

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we're gonna be doing business.

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So that's kind of a preface with what's coming up in some

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of our discussions today.

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So with that, I employ people to be efficient

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and to the point in their comments and their questions.

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And we're gonna start today's workshop with

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some feedback from our local organizations.

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Who wants to start first?

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Good afternoon, mayor and council.

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I'm Dana Pierce, I'm the economic development manager here

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at the city and each year the council dedicates a portion

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of a workshop to presentations from our economic development

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community partners.

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And so that's who we have here today.

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Each of them works closely with our division

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and provides different services that help

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to support recruitment, retention,

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and expansion for businesses and grants paths.

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So to start us off today, I'm gonna have still ready,

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Southern Oregon Regional Economic

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Development come up and speak.

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I'd like to introduce you to Blair Sandell.

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He's the executive director of that organization.

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All Right, thank you Dana,

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and very nice to be in front of all you today.

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So thank you for having me here.

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Blair Sundale, executive director of So Ready,

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the Region's Economic Development District.

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Thought I'd start off today by explaining a little bit about

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what sorey is.

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What is the function of Sorey in the region?

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So back in the mid sixties, the US Department of Commerce

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realize that what wasn't happening in communities

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that shared resources,

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whether it be workforce infrastructure

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and the overall economy, was

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that they weren't necessarily talking to each other

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or working on a regional strategy together.

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So they formed districts 400 of 'em throughout the entire us

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and ours was formed back in 1982 in order

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to help communities speak to each other.

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For instance, grants Pass wouldn't naturally pick up the

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phone and find out what ashland's up to

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and are there regional priorities we can work on together

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as a region or Medford or so on and so forth.

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So that is the original premise of

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what an economic DIS development district does.

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Every five years we take input from across the region

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and develop an economic development strategy for the region.

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We have input from Grants Pass

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and all other cities, private industry to understand

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what are some of the biggest things

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that we can work on together, what is

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that direction gonna look like?

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We publish that on our website,

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so you feel free to take a look at it there.

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And then whenever we do work

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and determine what should already be involved in,

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we tie it back to does it fit within that document

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to help keep us on the right course.

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We've got five organizations here today.

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So what I thought I would do was start off

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with explaining a little bit about the focus areas of each

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of our organizations

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because it can be confusing sometimes when you see a handful

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of organizations

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that are all working on this thing called economic

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development and what does that mean

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and what are their focus areas.

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So I've got a few things lined out here

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and I really don't wanna speak too much on behalf

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of the other partners that we have here in the room,

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but you can see that this is a broad scope of work

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and then not any single organization is fit

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to take on that work by itself.

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But by segmenting out what each of us work on,

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then we can all move these types

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of initiatives forward for So Ready.

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We are the regional organization in this group.

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So covering both Jackson

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and Josephine County, we have, like I say, two counties,

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13 incorporated cities and 57 unincorporated communities.

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So it's a pretty broad reach for what our focus is and

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therefore the types of things that we're involved in have

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to be regional in nature.

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So it's hard for me to work specifically in some

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of these downtown, but that's why you have organizations.

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But Main Street, Some of the things we,

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we support our communities with are, we're known for our,

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our work in the business retention, recruitment

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and expansion area, legislative advocacy,

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which is actually fairly new to So Ready, I'll be honest.

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Incentives for expansion and infrastructure

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and direct loans to businesses as well.

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So we have a revolving loan program

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and make, make loans to businesses throughout the

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communities in Southern Oregon,

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I've broken down six key components to things

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that we focus on to help Grants Pass.

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Again, legislative adv advocacy is a fairly new one.

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It's an area that I have particular comfort

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in due to my background.

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It's also a, an area where I believe that we have an,

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a really big opportunity to bring all

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of the communities together throughout Southern Oregon

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and speak with a bigger voice in Salem.

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I think it's not a big surprise that there are a lot of

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business unfriendly practices, taxes,

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regulation that we all face.

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And it's hard for us individually

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as individual visual business

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or communities to represent

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how those things might impact economic

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development in Southern Oregon.

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So one of the things that I did this short session was go

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throughout the communities, make contact with each of 'em

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and say, these are some of the priorities

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that I'm seeing right now in Salem at this point.

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They're just legislative concepts,

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here are my positions on them.

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Do you agree and do you wanna work on those things together?

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And so I did have some communities come together

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and say, yes, we actually do wanna work on that.

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In fact, that's a, a hot button for us as well.

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Jackson County was one of them.

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We worked very closely through the last session.

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In the long session. I would like to invite Grant's Pass to,

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to work closely with, so rating through some

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of the other account communities across Southern Oregon in

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order to make sure that we know what it is that we're trying

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to advocate for or push back against Regional convening.

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I mentioned that that's where, you know, we're looking

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to try to get people on the same page.

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The enterprise Zone administration.

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So this is a tax abatement program

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that is all throughout southern Oregon.

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There are four main zones down here

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and we're the enterprise zone manager

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for all four of those zones.

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That provides some tax relief for businesses

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that are expanding or coming into the area.

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And as I mentioned, re recruitment and retention.

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So we work, actually you've just finished up the three year

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BR and E survey that the chamber just put together.

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I don't know if he's gonna talk about

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that at all today, so I'll, I'll leave that to him.

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But it's where we dive in

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and understand what kind of challenges exist

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and what kind of progress is being made.

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Each three year period, the Josephine County Chamber puts

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that on and we dedicate two staff to doing survey work

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to help support that effort.

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And then, as I mentioned the EDD designation,

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this gives us access to provide grant funding of available

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to communities with us as a conduit and,

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and actually some communities can do this on their own.

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The City of Grants Pass did, so

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for the Spalding infrastructure there was an EDA grant

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that was applied for by the city of Grants Pass.

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And if, if I can be honest, I that's an area

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where we really could have stepped up to help take some of

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that pressure off because that's one of the types of things

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that we are capable of doing.

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And then as I mentioned, the revolving loan fund.

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These are loans that we make to small businesses

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to help them get access to capital when,

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when the banking sector is not yet prepared.

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So a lot of newer businesses

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or businesses have maybe fallen on hard times,

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but have a good plan for success.

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We can step in and and help out there.

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Another thing I hadn't mentioned yet,

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but this is data and insights.

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I think it's really important. And we

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just launched a community survey.

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If any of you filled that out for us, I want to thank you

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because that gave us a lot of feedback on

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what the community feels.

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So Ready should be able to do well in order

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to support economic development.

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One of them was data and insights

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and we have just launched this platform on our website.

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I encourage you to go see it.

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We built it to go over numerous facets of the economy

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and focus on southern Oregon as a region.

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You can also break it down into just Josephine County

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and compare it to other areas throughout the state.

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So if there's an area in the state, state that you know is,

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is doing really well, you want

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to find out why you can select those two counties.

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Most importantly, you don't have to be an economist

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to understand what this means.

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There are summaries

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and you have the ability to pick three personas,

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a policy maker, an economic developer, or a business.

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And it will give you the perception of

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what does this data mean for you

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and what can you do about it as a policy maker

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or as a business owner or someone in economic development.

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So I encourage you to check that out

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and give us some feedback on it as well.

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It's designed to help give you more data so

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that you can make informed decisions.

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Some of the impacts that we've had over the last couple

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years in JO or well Josephine County

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and Grants Pass about a million dollars in

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loans deployed to small businesses.

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A $17.3 million worth of private capital investment due

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to our lending and tax abatement, incentive programs

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and creating 145 jobs.

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I do wanna make it clear those are not us creating those

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jobs, that's businesses creating those jobs,

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but us providing some tools

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to help catalyze that investment.

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If we go beyond the numbers

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and highlight a couple of different projects,

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I mentioned Spalding, and in as far

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as legislative testimony goes,

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we did support the $2 million ask

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and I'm happy to to know that the city was

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provided with that so, or will be provided with that.

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But that passed. And so that $2 million for

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that sewer infrastructure is gonna be huge in unlocking

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that other 60 acres right across the way there.

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Another thing we're working on with the city

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of Grants Pass is back in 2024, you approved Urban Renewal

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Agency grant and loan program and we reached out to Brad

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and Dana and JC reached out

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and said, is there a way that we can support since we do

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loans and administering

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and helping get this program on the street?

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And so we have a proposal into the city right now to be able

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to provide assistance for that.

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And Let's see here.

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So this might be slightly duplicative

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so we won't spend too much time on this,

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but this just gives you a few different scenarios,

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different types of projects that we would be involved in

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that would also involve partners.

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Again, these are partners that are here in the room

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and how a project comes together

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because it's not just saying, okay, so ready,

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make this thing happen, it's so ready.

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Also working with other partners to make something happen.

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And so this just gives you a few different examples of

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who would be involved in a, a working

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with a startup entrepreneur

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or an expanding manufacturer, relocating a prospect in,

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into the area or providing infrastructure investment

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and how we work with communities through that.

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And I will say, and I alluded to this with a survey,

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Sorey is looking, I've been here for seven months

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and one of the things that I found was that Rey's

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activities had become broad

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and lost focus from the original core

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economic development district mandate.

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And I'm looking to bring that back.

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So that's, that's reeling in a lot of different functions

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that the community does not feel are the highest value for

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what we can be providing.

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As well as looking at our own budget and our ROI

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and then looking to our core mandates.

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And so one of the, the one of those things

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that we're doing is reeling in our activities

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to focus more on regional initiatives so

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that if we have impact in something, it's a larger impact

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as opposed to working on something over here

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and then not being able to see

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that happen throughout the rest of the region.

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So like I say, working at a, at a more

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of a 30,000 foot level, I believe is

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what the community's asking us to do

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and that's where our focus is gonna be.

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I'll give you a quick story though on, just as an example

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'cause I don't have any testimonies built into this,

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but just an example for how we act in

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that convener role on a day-to-day basis

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as opposed to regional strategy.

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There's a Grants Pass company

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that was working on a procurement in Jackson County

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and was running up against some roadblocks.

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So naturally they called

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and said, do you know anybody at the city that we can help

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that can help us get through this procurement process?

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I said, absolutely. And actually they mentioned that,

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that the process that they were going

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through was not very smooth and not what they expected.

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And I said, I, I know that city,

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that's not the way they operate.

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Let me give 'em a call.

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So I called the city manager

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and walked through the situation

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and asked if I could get them in touch with the business

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so they could understand the process better.

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They agreed and, and the next thing I know,

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I got a text message from the business that said, thank you.

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We actually now have a chance to bid on

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that million dollar project that's gonna benefit Grants Pass

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employees and a Grants Pass business working with a a,

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a business in or a city in Jackson County.

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I don't wanna speak on too much more of the specifics

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because that procurement is currently underway,

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but it's just an example of, of that convener role

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that we play throughout jurisdictions

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and with private industries to help cut some of

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that red tape so that a business can access the people

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within, within government that they normally would, not

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that they wouldn't be able to access them,

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but it's hard for them to know who

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to call and how to get there.

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You know, I mean you, you're, many

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of you are business people as well,

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but to businesses that are outside, they see the city

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and they don't know quite how to approach cities

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and that's, that's really universal across all cities.

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You can be the most business friendly city in the world,

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but when it comes down to it, businesses are intimidated

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by how to get through.

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And this helps us with recruitments as well

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because we're working on one in White City right now.

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And we asked him, what is the number one pain point

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that you're experiencing

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as you are expanding into new markets?

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And they said, really, it's permitting

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and dealing with the cities and counties.

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I said, perfect. Done.

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We'll get you direct contacts within the county

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and city so that you can make

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that an easier, an easier process.

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We did do that and notified the people within the city

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that this lead was coming

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and it made the process very smooth

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and they were very complimentary.

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So again, I think that's one of the, one of the things that,

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that we're well positioned to do is connect local government

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with private industry

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and I just wanna thank you

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for your continued investment in the work that we're doing

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and I hope we have some time left over in this 10 minute

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block because I would like to hear from all

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of you if there are things that you have for suggestions

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or questions or ideas for how Soread can, can continue

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or better support the city of Grants Pass.

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Thank you. We're gonna go around real quick

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to make sure we don't have any questions.

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Rob, have any questions for this presentation?

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Off the top. Thank you very much. Good presentation.

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Off the top of your head, how, how much does the city

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of Grants pass contribute to your organization?

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Dollar, dollar Wise, I

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Believe it's 28,000.

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Thank you. Yeah. Rick got any questions?

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Thank you. You mentioned you've been helping businesses in

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the city Grants Pass.

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Do you have like a, a name, like a couple

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that you've been able to help with financially?

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Yeah, actually some of them have

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been restaurants down here.

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I know that the Bohemian, we helped them. Okay.

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Yeah, and a great business down there.

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I, I'm drawing a blank for some of the other names.

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I, and I'm sorry, I I did get a list. It's in my phone.

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It should have, should have been prepared with more

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of those names, but go ahead.

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Okay, thank you Eric. Questions?

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Yeah, thank you for the presentation.

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The, you mentioned the grants pass $2 million,

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sanitary sewer infrastructure.

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Is there gonna be anything that, any follow up

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that your organization is gonna be dealing with with that?

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If not, or if so then what, what, what type of things?

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Sure. Thank you for the question.

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So right now I'm, I'm just happy to know that that,

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you know, I don't know that it was necessarily our

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testimony, but you know, the continued testimony

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of those on behalf of that, that support from the state,

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really we work closely with the community development

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and economic development folks here at the city.

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So if there is a need, a reason for us to step in and

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and further shepherd something along, we're definitely able

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and willing to do that.

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I believe for that particular ask that appropriation is part

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of a, a bigger project that I'm not aware

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that we are re required

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or been asked to provide further support past what we have.

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Victoria On the page.

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Hi, thank you so much for your presentations on the page

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where you list the 991,000 and loan deployment.

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It's slide six. I don't know if someone can go to that

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or not, but, but it's okay if we can't.

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Oh, thank you. Yeah, yeah, they, you can thank you.

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Over what timeframe are we

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That is over a three year timeframe.

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Three year timeframe. I missed that if you said it.

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Oh, okay. Thank you. Appreciate it. You're welcome.

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Question Seth? Yeah.

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Hey, thanks Blair for the presentation.

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I just had one quick question on one of the slides.

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You mentioned tax incentive programs.

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Can you talk a little bit about those, if any

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of them have been utilized or how people can utilize them?

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Yes, so there are, there's a map that you can view

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that shows you all

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of the eligible zones within the Grants Pass Urban

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and then the Rogue, which is the Josephine County rural

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Enterprise zone area.

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Each of the zones has a total of 12 square miles worth

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of land that can be designated.

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So at some point in the past, certain tracks,

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or I should say parcels are included in an overall zone.

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What happens is if a capital investment is being made

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by a manufacturer or somebody in processing distribution in

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that traded sector in one of those zones, they,

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the capital improvements that they're going to make in

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that area, whether it be real estate

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or equipment purchases, are eligible for a tax abatement

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of three to five years.

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And that will provide them with the, the business

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with the ability to not have

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to pay those real estate taxes for that period of time.

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And that is used as an investment,

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or I'm sorry, as a, as an incentive to make

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that investment happen.

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And the $17.3 million is the amount

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that we have approved over the last three year period.

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And one thing that I will say is

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that this is a, this is a careful balance.

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Programs like this, I actually did oppose the expansion

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of this program in the legislative session.

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The governor had a bill, so did Senators Solomon

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that was going to

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and did extend that period optionally up to 10 years.

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I believe that some of the, the issues

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that businesses have with taxes are at the state level,

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not necessarily at the local level.

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And so I believe that pushing that incentive out to 10 years

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makes local communities shoulder too much

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of the burden of that.

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Because I mean, if you think about actually there's,

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there is a study, I will say this, there is a study

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that you can find out of the Brookings Institute that shows

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that about 80% of the enterprise zones

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or tax abatement programs just like this across the country

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are projects that would've happened anyway.

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And so I do take issue with over utilization

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and overextension of these types of programs

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because if you, if you take that into context,

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that's $2.4 million of, of revenue to the county that

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that was abated that maybe did not have to be.

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So one of the things that I'm making sure

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that we're doing it so ready is keeping tax incentive

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programs in our back pocket as opposed to leading with them

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because I believe there are other reasons

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that we should be attracting businesses to the area.

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There are other things that we can offer them,

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like would you like connections within local government

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to get your project done quicker?

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Would you like to be connected with other businesses

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that can tell you about the, the workforce

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and how that might benefit your business

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and, and be a good fit for you.

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And then make other B2B connections in order to help them

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with the supply chain and things like that.

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And then you have your incentive if you need it

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to make the tiebreaker for that business.

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But I don't like to lead with incentives

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because there's no free lunch

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and it's our local communities that do give up that tax.

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So I just wanna make that clear that it is a tool

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that we are in charge of, but it's, it's not something

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that I actively push

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Questions, Joel,

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we're going round table here.

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Pay attention. Do you have a question?

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Okay, thank you, endure. Okay.

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Thank you for being here.

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I'm really happy to see that the new leadership is pushing

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to make its value more known and accountable.

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So my question is with the RCC not being able to host SBDC,

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which in my view is a travesty unfortunately is

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so ready in any position to pick up some

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of those pieces. Thank

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You for that question because that is,

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that is initially something that we,

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we knew we needed to look at.

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It's, we've been being asked for a while, you know,

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with this vacuum, how can

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so ready step up to the plate and take that on.

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I have done a, a thorough analysis on

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what our organization is capable of doing and taking that on

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and what kind of funding is available there to make

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that a sustainable effort for us

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without it essentially burdening us on, on the reserve side

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or asking us to, to really have communities pitch in

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to a degree that I'm not quite sure if we can on a long-term

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sustainable level at this point.

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The SBDC is moving in a direction where,

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and I have been in talks with, you know, the,

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the ho the prior hosts, the RCC

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and SOU, the centers as well as the SBDC network.

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It is not their preference that's

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so ready be the new home for that.

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They have a channel that they would like to run that

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through, which is gonna be direct procurement.

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So, you know, this is something that I wanted to know,

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00:35:29,805 --> 00:35:31,205
could we be a backup plan?

518
00:35:32,295 --> 00:35:35,925
There probably is a world in which we can, if, if that,

519
00:35:38,385 --> 00:35:41,005
if, if this new model needs to continue shifting,

520
00:35:42,395 --> 00:35:45,565
what we are trying to do to the greatest extent we can is

521
00:35:46,385 --> 00:35:51,005
create the visibility for that technical assistance so

522
00:35:51,005 --> 00:35:52,565
that businesses can still access that service.

523
00:35:53,065 --> 00:35:55,765
It was one of the things that ranked very low on the list

524
00:35:55,785 --> 00:35:57,245
of things that the community would like

525
00:35:57,245 --> 00:35:58,885
to see us step up and, and take on.

526
00:35:58,945 --> 00:36:00,285
Nor is it really within our charter,

527
00:36:01,065 --> 00:36:02,885
but it doesn't mean

528
00:36:02,885 --> 00:36:05,125
that we cannot be a champion of that service.

529
00:36:05,385 --> 00:36:07,885
So the businesses can still continue to get connected to it.

530
00:36:07,885 --> 00:36:11,245
Because I think to your point a a lot

531
00:36:11,245 --> 00:36:12,765
of people are not going to know that

532
00:36:12,765 --> 00:36:14,205
that service still exists.

533
00:36:14,555 --> 00:36:15,765
They're gonna see the shock

534
00:36:16,265 --> 00:36:18,805
and we need to make sure that the messaging continues to,

535
00:36:18,865 --> 00:36:22,685
to remain so that businesses can still access that resource.

536
00:36:22,685 --> 00:36:25,765
So I see us playing a bigger marketing role in helping

537
00:36:26,125 --> 00:36:27,885
businesses find that access as opposed

538
00:36:27,885 --> 00:36:29,325
to directly offering it.

539
00:36:30,815 --> 00:36:34,085
Thank you. Perfect, thank you very much.

540
00:36:34,825 --> 00:36:38,285
Any last further questions? Okay, so I, I forgot to prep,

541
00:36:38,455 --> 00:36:39,455
Sorry, hold on.

542
00:36:39,455 --> 00:36:40,725
I guess turn my mic on too.

543
00:36:41,165 --> 00:36:42,845
I forgot to preface this in the beginning.

544
00:36:43,065 --> 00:36:45,685
I'm trying to turn these workshops into a little bit

545
00:36:45,685 --> 00:36:46,925
more efficient manner here.

546
00:36:47,025 --> 00:36:51,445
So all the counselors have received the information

547
00:36:51,445 --> 00:36:53,205
presentation packets ahead of time,

548
00:36:53,305 --> 00:36:56,325
so they should have the ability to, you know, review this

549
00:36:56,325 --> 00:36:59,085
before it's presented and formulate questions.

550
00:37:00,255 --> 00:37:03,485
We're gonna go into a round table style questioning today.

551
00:37:03,545 --> 00:37:05,045
So basically I'm gonna start at one end

552
00:37:05,045 --> 00:37:06,005
and go down the other and then

553
00:37:06,005 --> 00:37:07,205
back if there's a second question.

554
00:37:07,585 --> 00:37:10,325
But I really will encourage counselors to be really

555
00:37:11,565 --> 00:37:13,285
poignant in their questions and to the point

556
00:37:13,465 --> 00:37:17,125
and so we can make this happen in an efficient manner.

557
00:37:17,465 --> 00:37:19,485
So Vic, with that Victoria, go ahead.

558
00:37:21,225 --> 00:37:25,885
I'm looking at the, on your website, the data dashboard,

559
00:37:26,225 --> 00:37:28,165
and I see some of the information

560
00:37:28,545 --> 00:37:30,885
that's in our packet there, which is really wonderful

561
00:37:31,425 --> 00:37:33,685
and I was, but some of the things

562
00:37:33,685 --> 00:37:34,965
that you were mentioning just

563
00:37:34,965 --> 00:37:39,085
before, can I find that on your data,

564
00:37:39,475 --> 00:37:41,405
like the percentage of

565
00:37:43,265 --> 00:37:44,885
of the LO loans and things like that?

566
00:37:44,905 --> 00:37:45,925
Can I find that there?

567
00:37:46,665 --> 00:37:50,565
Yes, counselor. So the, our, our data that we're,

568
00:37:51,145 --> 00:37:53,125
we do not have our data on there right now.

569
00:37:53,215 --> 00:37:55,805
Right now what that dashboard is, is all public sources.

570
00:37:55,985 --> 00:37:58,485
So 14 different data sources feed into that

571
00:37:58,745 --> 00:38:00,045
to show you the regional economy.

572
00:38:00,905 --> 00:38:03,525
And so as far as like our own report card, we don't have

573
00:38:03,525 --> 00:38:04,645
that online yet.

574
00:38:04,745 --> 00:38:07,525
We are working though on being able to

575
00:38:08,115 --> 00:38:11,725
produce such a scorecard that we can, you know, hand out,

576
00:38:11,885 --> 00:38:13,805
I mean RCC actually had a great one they shared with me

577
00:38:13,805 --> 00:38:16,325
and I thought, wow, this is, this is great if you're going

578
00:38:16,325 --> 00:38:18,205
to, you know, ask for your next annual membership,

579
00:38:18,205 --> 00:38:20,005
this is a great thing to put before somebody

580
00:38:20,005 --> 00:38:22,005
and say, hey, here's, here's what our impact has been.

581
00:38:22,005 --> 00:38:23,685
So like an impact scorecard,

582
00:38:24,625 --> 00:38:26,605
but we don't have that on that dashboard.

583
00:38:26,665 --> 00:38:28,805
So I would say that the dashboard isn't about us,

584
00:38:29,025 --> 00:38:31,085
the dashboard is about the regional economy.

585
00:38:31,415 --> 00:38:33,325
Right. Would would I be able

586
00:38:33,325 --> 00:38:34,885
to contact you then and maybe get

587
00:38:35,025 --> 00:38:36,445
Access to that information?

588
00:38:36,515 --> 00:38:38,885
Yeah, absolutely. Okay. Oh, thank you. I'll do that. Thanks.

589
00:38:40,035 --> 00:38:42,925
Alright, thank you Dana, you wanna introduce the next

590
00:38:46,415 --> 00:38:47,415
Thank you Blair.

591
00:38:47,415 --> 00:38:49,765
That was a great introduction, looking at the broad

592
00:38:50,285 --> 00:38:52,325
perspective of economic development here for the region.

593
00:38:53,365 --> 00:38:54,605
So next I would like

594
00:38:54,605 --> 00:38:56,925
to invite up Roka Community College Small

595
00:38:57,125 --> 00:38:58,205
Business Development Center.

596
00:38:58,775 --> 00:39:01,325
Today we have Lisa Parks, the Dean of Business

597
00:39:01,325 --> 00:39:03,005
and Workforce Development here with us,

598
00:39:03,145 --> 00:39:06,605
but we do have Ruth Swain, the director presenting.

599
00:39:07,755 --> 00:39:11,085
Ruth has been the director of the R-C-C-S-B-D-C

600
00:39:11,105 --> 00:39:12,405
for the last five years,

601
00:39:13,105 --> 00:39:15,365
and she has 30 years of experience owning

602
00:39:15,425 --> 00:39:16,925
and managing business services

603
00:39:17,065 --> 00:39:18,685
and assisting with business success

604
00:39:19,065 --> 00:39:20,685
and regional economic development.

605
00:39:21,225 --> 00:39:22,845
She holds numerous awards and,

606
00:39:23,145 --> 00:39:25,365
and for excellence in branding and marketing.

607
00:39:25,425 --> 00:39:27,525
And so please welcome up Ruth Swain.

608
00:39:39,855 --> 00:39:44,665
Okay, Thank you.

609
00:39:45,485 --> 00:39:49,985
As Dana said, I'm Ruth, I'm here to report on

610
00:39:51,055 --> 00:39:53,265
RCCS BDCs services

611
00:39:53,925 --> 00:39:58,185
and recap our services from 2025

612
00:39:59,325 --> 00:40:01,145
and also

613
00:40:01,205 --> 00:40:03,545
to talk a little bit about the changes that are coming.

614
00:40:04,885 --> 00:40:09,105
As I thought of speaking you today, I thought

615
00:40:09,105 --> 00:40:13,425
of Margaret Mead's quote, never doubt that a small group

616
00:40:13,485 --> 00:40:17,425
of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world.

617
00:40:18,365 --> 00:40:21,705
Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has

618
00:40:22,655 --> 00:40:23,745
changed the world.

619
00:40:26,345 --> 00:40:31,145
I think of that because of my gratefulness in serving you.

620
00:40:31,485 --> 00:40:35,625
And with our partners, Oregon

621
00:40:37,525 --> 00:40:41,745
Sbd C'S mission is building Oregon's best businesses.

622
00:40:43,895 --> 00:40:48,435
Two services are provided confidential, no cost advising

623
00:40:48,975 --> 00:40:50,915
and very low cost business classes.

624
00:40:51,615 --> 00:40:54,635
Now, these classes are not a full term.

625
00:40:54,865 --> 00:40:57,795
They are targeted specifically for businesses

626
00:40:59,375 --> 00:41:03,915
to make them short, direct, and resourceful.

627
00:41:05,975 --> 00:41:07,075
The SBDC

628
00:41:07,815 --> 00:41:11,475
and RCC offers services at every stage of your business,

629
00:41:11,505 --> 00:41:13,595
whether you have an idea.

630
00:41:15,685 --> 00:41:16,995
Every year between 30

631
00:41:17,015 --> 00:41:19,955
and 40% of our clients come in with an idea

632
00:41:21,295 --> 00:41:24,675
and we send them to glasses and we meet with them.

633
00:41:25,895 --> 00:41:29,235
We help people find their certifications

634
00:41:29,455 --> 00:41:31,595
and launch their business such

635
00:41:31,595 --> 00:41:35,805
as the construction contractor pre-license program,

636
00:41:36,435 --> 00:41:37,805
once they pass the test

637
00:41:37,985 --> 00:41:41,445
and we help them secure their license online

638
00:41:42,025 --> 00:41:43,685
and become their own business.

639
00:41:44,715 --> 00:41:46,725
Expanding is a big part of what we do.

640
00:41:46,745 --> 00:41:51,565
We work with people who need to retool their message,

641
00:41:52,675 --> 00:41:57,445
look for a, a better marketing plan and renewal.

642
00:41:57,585 --> 00:42:00,445
We call it renewal. We, during the pandemic

643
00:42:00,985 --> 00:42:03,805
and during supply chain issues

644
00:42:04,265 --> 00:42:07,925
and during now with the economy the way it is,

645
00:42:08,305 --> 00:42:11,085
we still support people in that process.

646
00:42:11,785 --> 00:42:14,525
We don't do it for them. We help teach them how.

647
00:42:15,265 --> 00:42:17,765
We also work with people who are preparing

648
00:42:17,825 --> 00:42:21,645
to sell their business or want to buy a business.

649
00:42:24,035 --> 00:42:27,165
Mike and Jody Aplin gave us our, their permission.

650
00:42:29,065 --> 00:42:32,005
Our services are confidential, but Mike

651
00:42:32,005 --> 00:42:36,365
and Jody were, came to us a number

652
00:42:36,365 --> 00:42:39,725
of years ago and made a considerable number of changes

653
00:42:40,505 --> 00:42:43,645
in their financial performance, their employee programs,

654
00:42:43,945 --> 00:42:45,805
in their growth strategies.

655
00:42:46,745 --> 00:42:50,165
And they also, in the last couple years, we work

656
00:42:50,165 --> 00:42:52,525
with them on the transition to sell.

657
00:42:55,735 --> 00:43:00,445
Thank you to our funders, rogue Community College.

658
00:43:01,005 --> 00:43:02,885
I tried to make the logo a little bigger there

659
00:43:02,885 --> 00:43:05,245
because they have long traditionally

660
00:43:06,165 --> 00:43:07,285
provided the most funding.

661
00:43:08,105 --> 00:43:09,165
And the City

662
00:43:09,185 --> 00:43:13,245
of Grands Pass has been a faithful supporter for many years.

663
00:43:13,915 --> 00:43:16,965
Josephine County has also given us funding.

664
00:43:17,545 --> 00:43:20,485
Our core funding comes from Business Oregon and the

665
00:43:20,685 --> 00:43:25,085
SBAI

666
00:43:25,155 --> 00:43:29,885
Want to say I, yes, I've been working in management

667
00:43:29,885 --> 00:43:32,565
and business and economic development for 30 years.

668
00:43:33,485 --> 00:43:37,085
I have never met a more dedicated city staff,

669
00:43:38,745 --> 00:43:40,085
not only Brad

670
00:43:40,085 --> 00:43:42,925
and the community development department, Dana,

671
00:43:43,515 --> 00:43:47,845
with the economic development department, your city manager,

672
00:43:48,105 --> 00:43:52,485
public works director, all y'all really come together

673
00:43:52,705 --> 00:43:54,165
to serve small business.

674
00:43:54,505 --> 00:43:56,365
And that to me goes back to

675
00:43:56,365 --> 00:43:59,285
that Margaret Mead statement of people.

676
00:43:59,565 --> 00:44:01,965
A small group of people who are working together

677
00:44:02,035 --> 00:44:04,325
with a vision can make a difference.

678
00:44:08,065 --> 00:44:11,205
You, I probably haven't listed all the wonderful programs

679
00:44:11,205 --> 00:44:12,645
that you offer small business,

680
00:44:13,185 --> 00:44:15,325
but I want you to know that they are meaningful.

681
00:44:15,905 --> 00:44:19,605
One of your programs where it's called Micro Grants,

682
00:44:19,885 --> 00:44:23,845
provides 90% re tuition

683
00:44:24,475 --> 00:44:28,045
sponsorship for low to moderate income households in

684
00:44:28,665 --> 00:44:30,725
grants past Urban Growth Boundary.

685
00:44:33,665 --> 00:44:36,405
Why do we need so many agencies to work together?

686
00:44:38,265 --> 00:44:39,525
We get this often.

687
00:44:40,635 --> 00:44:42,365
Each of us has a different mission

688
00:44:43,465 --> 00:44:48,325
and we each collaborate to refer people to the right type

689
00:44:48,385 --> 00:44:49,925
of support that they need.

690
00:44:52,125 --> 00:44:55,325
Blair mentioned re's role in loans

691
00:44:56,145 --> 00:44:58,165
and we work with Sore

692
00:44:58,385 --> 00:45:02,565
and Ivy, CDOA number of the loans that

693
00:45:03,075 --> 00:45:07,085
have been achieved in Grants Pass have either worked with

694
00:45:08,425 --> 00:45:10,805
Ivy CDO Loan or So Ready Loan

695
00:45:11,105 --> 00:45:13,645
and there's also advising that goes along with that.

696
00:45:14,835 --> 00:45:19,565
Dana and the city staff are always

697
00:45:19,775 --> 00:45:22,005
responsive to needs and ideas.

698
00:45:23,665 --> 00:45:28,245
We, we also work with early childhood education

699
00:45:29,145 --> 00:45:32,605
and it's amazing how,

700
00:45:33,465 --> 00:45:36,365
how it all comes together and we get to know each other

701
00:45:37,185 --> 00:45:40,045
and support each other.

702
00:45:41,845 --> 00:45:45,725
I do wanna say a special thank you to our advisory council

703
00:45:46,105 --> 00:45:47,485
and community partners.

704
00:45:49,875 --> 00:45:51,885
Dana Pierce has served on our

705
00:45:52,445 --> 00:45:57,245
advisory council at the R-C-C-S-B-D-C since she started,

706
00:45:57,945 --> 00:46:00,525
and Terry Hopkins also.

707
00:46:01,025 --> 00:46:04,765
And actually Blair served on our advisory council

708
00:46:04,865 --> 00:46:07,485
for many years when he worked for Business Oregon.

709
00:46:07,975 --> 00:46:08,645
Thank y'all.

710
00:46:13,875 --> 00:46:17,745
Kevin and Helen Gill came to us 20 years ago

711
00:46:19,085 --> 00:46:22,705
and they were taking over their uncle's business

712
00:46:23,525 --> 00:46:26,265
and they went through our training programs.

713
00:46:26,965 --> 00:46:29,665
We worked with them through drought, supply chain,

714
00:46:29,955 --> 00:46:31,625
their employee programs,

715
00:46:32,365 --> 00:46:35,305
and now their second generation, third

716
00:46:35,485 --> 00:46:39,585
or fourth generation leadership with Ryan stepping in as

717
00:46:40,625 --> 00:46:43,465
I think his title is, president, vice President

718
00:46:45,045 --> 00:46:46,225
in 2025.

719
00:46:46,485 --> 00:46:49,865
We served 580 clients through

720
00:46:50,385 --> 00:46:52,185
advising and classes.

721
00:46:53,445 --> 00:46:57,545
We also, we don't, we don't retain the jobs,

722
00:46:57,885 --> 00:47:01,345
but we support businesses in how to retain them.

723
00:47:02,135 --> 00:47:06,865
That $4.2 million in capital likely had some

724
00:47:07,205 --> 00:47:09,505
so ready and obviously they owe loans.

725
00:47:11,085 --> 00:47:15,025
We collaborate very closely with our partners

726
00:47:15,245 --> 00:47:18,905
who provide loan programs to help our clients.

727
00:47:20,005 --> 00:47:21,785
You have to have a business plan.

728
00:47:22,455 --> 00:47:26,185
Even if you've been in business many years, you still have

729
00:47:26,185 --> 00:47:27,985
to have a rationale

730
00:47:28,365 --> 00:47:31,645
and factual information in order to get that loan.

731
00:47:33,025 --> 00:47:37,605
We help start nine new businesses. There are lots more.

732
00:47:38,095 --> 00:47:41,645
There are at least four or five that we can get documented

733
00:47:41,675 --> 00:47:43,525
because they have to sign a piece paper

734
00:47:44,225 --> 00:47:46,685
and when they're off starting a new

735
00:47:46,965 --> 00:47:48,085
business, they're pretty busy.

736
00:47:49,225 --> 00:47:52,205
We all, we also helped companies

737
00:47:52,435 --> 00:47:54,405
with 29 new jobs created.

738
00:47:58,605 --> 00:48:00,325
I wanna tell you what a joy

739
00:48:00,325 --> 00:48:02,285
and honor it is to work with our team.

740
00:48:03,775 --> 00:48:07,685
Kenny, Hal. Kenny. Hal came today.

741
00:48:08,405 --> 00:48:11,165
I didn't, he snuck, snuck in.

742
00:48:11,325 --> 00:48:13,605
I didn't know the advisors knew about it,

743
00:48:13,785 --> 00:48:15,285
but Kenny knows about everything.

744
00:48:17,855 --> 00:48:20,845
These people have spent thousands of hours

745
00:48:21,735 --> 00:48:23,205
supporting small business

746
00:48:23,985 --> 00:48:27,525
and in one-on-one confidential advising.

747
00:48:28,795 --> 00:48:31,405
They don't do it for the money, trust me,

748
00:48:32,235 --> 00:48:34,325
because they're part-time faculty

749
00:48:35,585 --> 00:48:37,365
and they have owned a business.

750
00:48:38,075 --> 00:48:40,685
They've made all the mistakes business people make.

751
00:48:40,685 --> 00:48:42,205
They've learned some lessons

752
00:48:43,225 --> 00:48:46,645
and they want to give back to this community.

753
00:48:51,285 --> 00:48:55,125
Starting July one, Oregon SPDC

754
00:48:55,645 --> 00:48:59,045
advising services will continue to be offered here,

755
00:49:00,125 --> 00:49:02,125
confidential, no-cost advising.

756
00:49:03,305 --> 00:49:05,045
It will be run through the Rogue Valley,

757
00:49:05,565 --> 00:49:07,005
SPDC Outreach Center

758
00:49:09,905 --> 00:49:14,085
and all types of small business can come

759
00:49:14,305 --> 00:49:16,085
to accept those services.

760
00:49:16,185 --> 00:49:18,685
People will be able to register online

761
00:49:18,905 --> 00:49:20,925
or send email or make phone calls.

762
00:49:21,505 --> 00:49:24,245
We don't have the definitive information

763
00:49:24,425 --> 00:49:26,365
yet on that, those numbers.

764
00:49:26,625 --> 00:49:29,285
But we will that contact information,

765
00:49:29,345 --> 00:49:32,565
but we will be proactively promoting

766
00:49:32,565 --> 00:49:33,885
those as soon as we know.

767
00:49:36,145 --> 00:49:39,205
And thank goodness for Lisa Parks.

768
00:49:41,305 --> 00:49:45,165
She is Dean of Business Community and Workforce Training.

769
00:49:46,185 --> 00:49:48,965
She has been my supervisor since coming here

770
00:49:49,705 --> 00:49:52,725
and she truly believes in supporting small

771
00:49:53,005 --> 00:49:54,045
businesses one by one.

772
00:49:55,445 --> 00:49:59,405
I was thinking this morning that quite often in a class

773
00:50:00,515 --> 00:50:05,085
it's more effective, efficacious, is that word

774
00:50:06,595 --> 00:50:08,125
more meaningful

775
00:50:08,125 --> 00:50:11,165
because you're in a class with other colleagues

776
00:50:11,345 --> 00:50:15,245
and you can interact with other persons

777
00:50:15,265 --> 00:50:16,845
who are trying to learn that same.

778
00:50:17,585 --> 00:50:20,565
And we're gonna continue with how to start a small business.

779
00:50:22,465 --> 00:50:25,885
We have a program that's called Business Accelerator

780
00:50:26,145 --> 00:50:29,645
and it is basically you come out with your own tailored

781
00:50:30,165 --> 00:50:34,685
business plan, the construction contractor, pre-license,

782
00:50:34,995 --> 00:50:36,845
bookkeeping, and understanding

783
00:50:37,645 --> 00:50:38,965
business financial statements.

784
00:50:39,395 --> 00:50:43,165
Many businesses are too small to pay QuickBooks

785
00:50:43,345 --> 00:50:45,565
for QuickBooks, they just need some basic

786
00:50:45,565 --> 00:50:47,885
understanding as they get started.

787
00:50:48,545 --> 00:50:51,405
We also have human resources

788
00:50:53,395 --> 00:50:55,045
advisor, an instructor

789
00:50:55,745 --> 00:50:57,325
and a marketing instructor

790
00:50:57,585 --> 00:51:00,165
to turn your website into customer generation

791
00:51:00,265 --> 00:51:02,485
and Google Business page.

792
00:51:02,645 --> 00:51:03,845
A lot of people don't know

793
00:51:03,845 --> 00:51:07,325
that they even have a Google Business page and it's free

794
00:51:08,025 --> 00:51:09,205
and you can promote it.

795
00:51:10,865 --> 00:51:15,805
And QuickBooks is also a very popular program

796
00:51:16,585 --> 00:51:21,165
in its short, it's 15 hours over several days

797
00:51:21,585 --> 00:51:23,805
and it's really kind of a get in

798
00:51:23,805 --> 00:51:26,525
and how to get your, your legs on the ground

799
00:51:26,915 --> 00:51:29,325
with an online QuickBooks program.

800
00:51:31,845 --> 00:51:35,965
I wanted to close with a quote from a couple

801
00:51:35,965 --> 00:51:37,685
of quotes from Maha Ma Gandhi,

802
00:51:39,665 --> 00:51:43,845
we must be the change that we wish to see in the world.

803
00:51:45,705 --> 00:51:47,885
The best way to find yourself is

804
00:51:47,905 --> 00:51:50,525
to lose yourself in the service of others.

805
00:51:52,465 --> 00:51:56,925
And it's truly been

806
00:51:57,705 --> 00:52:00,765
an honor to serve you

807
00:52:01,745 --> 00:52:06,645
and to serve with my partners in support of small business.

808
00:52:08,565 --> 00:52:10,645
I was gonna do a joke.

809
00:52:10,775 --> 00:52:15,285
Maybe I should have instead of ending that way. Thank you.

810
00:52:17,655 --> 00:52:19,645
Thank you very much. It,

811
00:52:19,665 --> 00:52:21,205
it shows the passion in your voice.

812
00:52:21,265 --> 00:52:22,885
It shows. Thank you very much for your support.

813
00:52:23,945 --> 00:52:26,005
So questions for Council Indra?

814
00:52:27,625 --> 00:52:30,445
Yes, Ruth, I so appreciate you

815
00:52:30,625 --> 00:52:32,405
and your passion for what you do.

816
00:52:32,505 --> 00:52:35,525
And I know how valuable the small business development

817
00:52:35,525 --> 00:52:37,605
center, I've used it many times.

818
00:52:37,955 --> 00:52:39,565
I've taken many classes.

819
00:52:40,945 --> 00:52:44,925
The passion of the instructors that just go above

820
00:52:44,945 --> 00:52:48,485
and beyond give you their numbers, let you contact them

821
00:52:49,035 --> 00:52:51,925
outside anytime and just offering help.

822
00:52:52,145 --> 00:52:56,205
So I'm, I hope to see this go on and,

823
00:52:56,345 --> 00:52:57,445
and get stronger.

824
00:52:57,865 --> 00:53:01,685
Do you know where the outreach center is going

825
00:53:01,685 --> 00:53:02,685
to be at this point?

826
00:53:03,265 --> 00:53:08,165
We do not. Locations are being scouted right now.

827
00:53:08,915 --> 00:53:11,205
Okay. Well I'm a big advocate

828
00:53:11,505 --> 00:53:14,925
and I hope things come together with that.

829
00:53:15,025 --> 00:53:19,525
And certainly as a community, all the partners need

830
00:53:19,525 --> 00:53:21,805
to get together because the services

831
00:53:22,605 --> 00:53:24,805
provided are so valuable for

832
00:53:25,165 --> 00:53:26,165
Business.

833
00:53:26,165 --> 00:53:28,045
Thank you. Thank you. Questions, Joel?

834
00:53:29,815 --> 00:53:34,725
Thank you, mayor. It's been my personal experience.

835
00:53:34,785 --> 00:53:38,965
In the business we were in, there was a lack of

836
00:53:40,365 --> 00:53:44,765
interest in a generational thing.

837
00:53:45,915 --> 00:53:49,645
They would rather have a 40 hour job than

838
00:53:49,835 --> 00:53:50,925
have their own business.

839
00:53:52,025 --> 00:53:56,045
And so we had a existing business that was very thriving,

840
00:53:56,265 --> 00:54:00,725
was very healthy, and no one was willing to take it over.

841
00:54:03,065 --> 00:54:07,725
Is that, is that a trend in Grants

842
00:54:07,835 --> 00:54:11,805
path for the future or, or not?

843
00:54:12,345 --> 00:54:16,125
And if so or not, what are the effects of that?

844
00:54:18,835 --> 00:54:22,445
When you want to retire, sell a business,

845
00:54:23,945 --> 00:54:27,845
it is important to find the right person for leadership

846
00:54:28,225 --> 00:54:29,365
who has experience.

847
00:54:30,315 --> 00:54:35,165
What we have found is that many businesses, if you want

848
00:54:35,165 --> 00:54:38,125
to look like you're not making money on your taxes,

849
00:54:38,995 --> 00:54:41,845
then you don't wanna show that you're making money.

850
00:54:42,625 --> 00:54:45,325
But when you wanna go to sell it, it needs

851
00:54:45,325 --> 00:54:46,525
to be the other way around.

852
00:54:47,185 --> 00:54:51,285
And what we have found is that takes some time to prepare

853
00:54:52,105 --> 00:54:53,845
and to identify the right person.

854
00:54:54,725 --> 00:54:57,285
I, you are absolutely correct that second

855
00:54:57,585 --> 00:55:01,565
or third generations often do not want

856
00:55:01,625 --> 00:55:02,885
to step into the job

857
00:55:03,235 --> 00:55:06,925
because they've seen how hard their parents have worked

858
00:55:07,465 --> 00:55:10,205
and they'd rather have a reliable source of income.

859
00:55:12,555 --> 00:55:15,735
Thank you. Thank question Seth.

860
00:55:16,815 --> 00:55:17,775
I don't really have a question.

861
00:55:17,815 --> 00:55:18,775
I just wanna say thank you.

862
00:55:19,815 --> 00:55:21,895
I, I think the SPDC is an invaluable service.

863
00:55:22,935 --> 00:55:27,135
I go way back to 2014, taking courses, teaching courses.

864
00:55:28,075 --> 00:55:30,655
So yeah, it's, it's upsetting to see the shift

865
00:55:30,835 --> 00:55:33,215
and hopefully we can, we can get back to where we were at.

866
00:55:33,505 --> 00:55:36,055
Thank you Questions Victoria.

867
00:55:37,875 --> 00:55:39,375
So I can see where, thank you

868
00:55:39,475 --> 00:55:40,655
so much for your presentation.

869
00:55:41,295 --> 00:55:44,335
I can see on your website when your classes are available,

870
00:55:44,675 --> 00:55:46,255
but this is just

871
00:55:46,275 --> 00:55:48,935
for people in the community that might be listening.

872
00:55:49,915 --> 00:55:53,455
How do they just go to the RCC

873
00:55:54,465 --> 00:55:58,175
Small Business Development Online and sign up

874
00:55:58,275 --> 00:55:59,455
or, yes. Okay.

875
00:55:59,755 --> 00:56:01,975
Yes, they can call, they can email

876
00:56:02,765 --> 00:56:05,095
sbdc@roguecc.edu.

877
00:56:06,825 --> 00:56:09,855
Those contact information will change after July one,

878
00:56:10,435 --> 00:56:13,735
but RCC will still continue to offer those classes.

879
00:56:14,485 --> 00:56:17,175
Wonderful. Thank you. Questions Eric,

880
00:56:18,225 --> 00:56:19,575
Thank you for the presentation.

881
00:56:20,655 --> 00:56:24,645
I just wanted to see, as we all know, Oregon is not the best

882
00:56:25,295 --> 00:56:27,285
state for for businesses.

883
00:56:27,725 --> 00:56:30,205
I wanted to know some of these classes that

884
00:56:30,485 --> 00:56:32,205
that are offered there at RCC.

885
00:56:32,225 --> 00:56:35,885
Are they, do they directly contribute

886
00:56:35,945 --> 00:56:39,205
or do they directly talk about some of the problems

887
00:56:39,925 --> 00:56:44,005
to overcome in in Oregon as far as businesses go,

888
00:56:45,075 --> 00:56:47,805
some of the major problems that businesses have

889
00:56:47,805 --> 00:56:49,925
and how to curtail

890
00:56:50,025 --> 00:56:53,525
or how to fix those issues

891
00:56:55,425 --> 00:56:58,885
In our classes and advising, we do inform

892
00:56:59,195 --> 00:57:03,165
what the regulations are and the stipulations.

893
00:57:03,855 --> 00:57:06,685
We're not a political or lobbying group.

894
00:57:08,105 --> 00:57:10,285
We do give testimony,

895
00:57:11,945 --> 00:57:16,005
but we are non-profits so we have to walk a fine line.

896
00:57:16,785 --> 00:57:19,805
We are aware of those issues that our clients face

897
00:57:19,805 --> 00:57:22,565
because we hear about them every day

898
00:57:23,505 --> 00:57:24,925
and offer.

899
00:57:26,395 --> 00:57:29,725
Sometimes it's important just to have a listening ear

900
00:57:30,545 --> 00:57:34,365
and then some ideas on how financially you can approach

901
00:57:35,375 --> 00:57:37,885
increasing your revenue and

902
00:57:37,945 --> 00:57:40,445
or pivoting some things that you're doing in order

903
00:57:40,465 --> 00:57:41,605
to be more efficient.

904
00:57:43,695 --> 00:57:45,445
Thank you. Questions Rick.

905
00:57:46,575 --> 00:57:50,525
Thank you. Today a lot of educational

906
00:57:51,085 --> 00:57:53,125
institutions are struggling financially,

907
00:57:53,985 --> 00:57:56,045
so when you're offering these services

908
00:57:56,185 --> 00:57:59,845
and so forth, what are your sources of funding these days?

909
00:58:01,485 --> 00:58:03,725
I did show sources of funding for now,

910
00:58:04,865 --> 00:58:07,525
our base funding comes from Rural Community College.

911
00:58:08,425 --> 00:58:10,565
We also receive funding from the city

912
00:58:11,305 --> 00:58:16,205
and the county through this fiscal year, June 30.

913
00:58:16,825 --> 00:58:21,245
We also have a base funding from Business Oregon,

914
00:58:21,775 --> 00:58:25,005
which comes through the legislature on a two year basis,

915
00:58:26,105 --> 00:58:28,645
as well as the small business administration

916
00:58:28,715 --> 00:58:33,205
that federal funds that come down through the

917
00:58:33,775 --> 00:58:35,325
small business administration.

918
00:58:35,935 --> 00:58:38,765
Thank you. Thank further questions, Rob,

919
00:58:41,395 --> 00:58:42,395
Nice presentation.

920
00:58:42,395 --> 00:58:44,205
Thank you. And everything

921
00:58:44,205 --> 00:58:45,605
that was on my mind has been

922
00:58:45,605 --> 00:58:47,565
covered by the other counselors. Thank you. Thank you.

923
00:58:47,815 --> 00:58:50,645
Thank you for your time. Dana, you wanna come up

924
00:58:50,645 --> 00:58:51,805
and announce the next,

925
00:58:58,275 --> 00:58:59,675
I just wanna say thank you to Ruth

926
00:58:59,855 --> 00:59:01,835
for your dedication support over these years.

927
00:59:05,245 --> 00:59:05,755
Let's see.

928
00:59:11,375 --> 00:59:14,875
So we were looking at RCC, they, you know, cover

929
00:59:15,415 --> 00:59:18,155
the broader scope of Josephine County and Grants Pass,

930
00:59:18,855 --> 00:59:20,835
but also the Chamber of Commerce does.

931
00:59:21,025 --> 00:59:23,965
So I'd like to introduce to you Terry Hopkins.

932
00:59:24,355 --> 00:59:26,725
He's the president, CEO of Chamber of Commerce

933
00:59:26,865 --> 00:59:28,685
and I'm sure you all know him well.

934
00:59:28,995 --> 00:59:29,995
Come on up.

935
00:59:32,595 --> 00:59:34,165
Good afternoon Mayor Council.

936
00:59:34,495 --> 00:59:35,965
Thank you Dana for the introduction.

937
00:59:35,965 --> 00:59:39,805
And thank you for the opportunity for all of these partners

938
00:59:39,865 --> 00:59:42,485
to present because oftentimes it is a bit of a challenge

939
00:59:42,585 --> 00:59:44,285
to figure out who's in what lane

940
00:59:44,385 --> 00:59:46,925
and make sure that we are being efficient without stepping

941
00:59:46,985 --> 00:59:48,045
on each other's toes.

942
00:59:48,665 --> 00:59:51,685
And I can assure you the folks behind me I communicate

943
00:59:51,685 --> 00:59:55,085
with quite regularly to continue to develop that level

944
00:59:55,085 --> 00:59:58,925
of support, defining what economic development is, defining

945
00:59:59,065 --> 01:00:01,765
who we are as a city, who we want to attract.

946
01:00:02,785 --> 01:00:05,405
And we work very consciously to make sure that

947
01:00:05,405 --> 01:00:07,205
that Venn diagram stays in alignment.

948
01:00:08,545 --> 01:00:12,045
So as I look back on previous presentations, oftentimes,

949
01:00:12,305 --> 01:00:14,285
you know, these economic development partners came

950
01:00:14,285 --> 01:00:17,605
to the city to present the programs that you support.

951
01:00:17,985 --> 01:00:19,645
And I will honor that and do that.

952
01:00:20,225 --> 01:00:23,085
But to just be very clear, I'm gonna kind

953
01:00:23,085 --> 01:00:24,285
of break it into two pieces.

954
01:00:24,985 --> 01:00:28,045
The Chamber of Commerce is very happy to have a contract

955
01:00:28,045 --> 01:00:30,805
with the city of Grants pass to run the visitor center.

956
01:00:31,145 --> 01:00:32,285
It really makes

957
01:00:32,345 --> 01:00:35,045
and empowers much of the work that we do much easier

958
01:00:35,265 --> 01:00:38,365
by simply having that space, that building,

959
01:00:38,385 --> 01:00:41,005
and the opportunity to connect with our community.

960
01:00:41,825 --> 01:00:43,525
But that is the only piece of funding

961
01:00:43,525 --> 01:00:44,965
that we receive from the city.

962
01:00:45,185 --> 01:00:49,525
The traditional chamber functions are all served by income

963
01:00:49,525 --> 01:00:52,045
that comes from membership events

964
01:00:52,065 --> 01:00:53,645
and other fundraising program.

965
01:00:55,305 --> 01:00:58,605
So about, well I'm not gonna guess at the timeline here,

966
01:00:58,665 --> 01:01:02,485
but the chamber building, the visitor center as we start on

967
01:01:02,485 --> 01:01:04,725
that piece was originally Caveman Park.

968
01:01:05,185 --> 01:01:07,365
The city entered into an agreement with the Chamber

969
01:01:07,545 --> 01:01:09,565
who built the building that exists there today.

970
01:01:10,785 --> 01:01:13,805
And then we have a contract to run those services

971
01:01:13,985 --> 01:01:15,845
for the Visitor Information Center.

972
01:01:17,465 --> 01:01:20,405
So this is just the visitor center outward facing.

973
01:01:21,225 --> 01:01:25,005
We serve just over 3000 in-person visitors this year

974
01:01:25,005 --> 01:01:27,765
that represented 30 states in nine different countries.

975
01:01:28,935 --> 01:01:31,245
Phone calls to the visitor center, the front office,

976
01:01:31,425 --> 01:01:33,045
not my office, not our membership

977
01:01:33,045 --> 01:01:34,405
development or events team.

978
01:01:35,005 --> 01:01:36,285
Over 2000.

979
01:01:36,705 --> 01:01:37,925
We do still, believe it

980
01:01:37,925 --> 01:01:40,685
or not, mail out good old fashioned snail mail

981
01:01:40,745 --> 01:01:42,285
and relocation packets.

982
01:01:42,505 --> 01:01:43,645
And surprisingly enough,

983
01:01:43,645 --> 01:01:45,725
that number doubled this year compared to last year.

984
01:01:45,725 --> 01:01:47,445
You figure people are still gathering all

985
01:01:47,445 --> 01:01:48,725
that information online.

986
01:01:49,705 --> 01:01:52,685
But we mailed out 85 relocation packets.

987
01:01:52,945 --> 01:01:55,245
And then we also provide welcome packets.

988
01:01:55,345 --> 01:01:57,765
We don't necessarily call them relocation packets,

989
01:01:57,785 --> 01:02:00,085
but quite honestly it's a lot of the same information.

990
01:02:00,335 --> 01:02:02,325
Oftentimes we'll go to local merchants

991
01:02:02,325 --> 01:02:04,325
and find deals to slip in there too.

992
01:02:04,465 --> 01:02:06,845
But we like to help be welcoming

993
01:02:06,845 --> 01:02:09,725
and accommodating for some of those visitor facing events.

994
01:02:10,075 --> 01:02:13,045
Like fabulous fifties rotaries district conference,

995
01:02:14,325 --> 01:02:16,485
multiple tour buses passing through our area.

996
01:02:17,025 --> 01:02:18,485
We did a youth exchange program

997
01:02:18,705 --> 01:02:22,365
and a five four out 1 5 4 Outlaw car club this year.

998
01:02:23,225 --> 01:02:25,285
So that visitor center remains healthy.

999
01:02:26,105 --> 01:02:28,485
We are largely staffed with volunteers.

1000
01:02:29,825 --> 01:02:32,685
We do have paid staff that helps administer that too.

1001
01:02:32,685 --> 01:02:34,645
We make sure that a volunteer never left their

1002
01:02:34,665 --> 01:02:35,805
on their on their own.

1003
01:02:36,105 --> 01:02:38,165
So we always have two staff members

1004
01:02:38,875 --> 01:02:40,685
present on site at all times.

1005
01:02:42,425 --> 01:02:46,085
As I move from the traditional visitor center operations

1006
01:02:46,395 --> 01:02:50,885
into more of the chamber operations, I'd like

1007
01:02:50,885 --> 01:02:53,125
to just start with mission statement.

1008
01:02:53,125 --> 01:02:55,725
What the heck is it that we do to promote

1009
01:02:55,985 --> 01:02:58,125
and support commerce in our community?

1010
01:02:58,585 --> 01:02:59,965
And this changes and evolves.

1011
01:02:59,965 --> 01:03:01,685
The Chamber's 101 years old

1012
01:03:02,065 --> 01:03:06,165
and ironically enough, chambers started to help businesses

1013
01:03:06,165 --> 01:03:08,205
with networking share ideas.

1014
01:03:08,905 --> 01:03:10,725
And the piece either we're not very good at

1015
01:03:10,745 --> 01:03:13,285
or we just get in a complete cycle is, is

1016
01:03:13,285 --> 01:03:15,645
that over a hundred years ago they came together

1017
01:03:16,185 --> 01:03:18,525
to talk about how they could battle tax

1018
01:03:18,585 --> 01:03:19,805
tariff and trade issues.

1019
01:03:20,345 --> 01:03:24,045
And 101 years later we're still working on the same issues.

1020
01:03:24,225 --> 01:03:26,365
So you can be the judge there.

1021
01:03:27,065 --> 01:03:28,165
But here locally,

1022
01:03:28,905 --> 01:03:32,525
our chamber in 2025 saw 98 new members.

1023
01:03:33,145 --> 01:03:36,005
We had an 88% retention rate on those

1024
01:03:36,005 --> 01:03:37,285
membership organizations.

1025
01:03:37,315 --> 01:03:38,885
Over the years, those have declined.

1026
01:03:39,145 --> 01:03:42,965
85 to 90% retention rate is considered very

1027
01:03:42,965 --> 01:03:44,045
good in my industry.

1028
01:03:44,585 --> 01:03:47,045
So we had a, a really good re retention rate.

1029
01:03:47,705 --> 01:03:50,925
I'm not shy to admit that we worry about that a little bit.

1030
01:03:50,985 --> 01:03:54,365
As we move into 2026, businesses are struggling.

1031
01:03:55,705 --> 01:03:58,405
Our work helps highlight business achievements

1032
01:03:58,425 --> 01:03:59,445
and new startups.

1033
01:03:59,545 --> 01:04:02,045
We had 44 ribbon cuttings.

1034
01:04:02,625 --> 01:04:05,245
Our networking events that happen on Wednesday morning,

1035
01:04:05,625 --> 01:04:08,765
we had over 3,100 businesses attend greeters

1036
01:04:09,435 --> 01:04:12,525
over a half million clicks on our digital version

1037
01:04:12,665 --> 01:04:13,925
of the business profile.

1038
01:04:14,065 --> 01:04:16,765
We also print about 10,000 of those, part

1039
01:04:16,765 --> 01:04:18,205
of the relocation packets

1040
01:04:18,545 --> 01:04:21,005
and also a local guide here for us to use

1041
01:04:22,425 --> 01:04:25,645
our event calendar, one of the top visited pages on our site

1042
01:04:25,645 --> 01:04:27,325
that's not just for chamber members,

1043
01:04:27,355 --> 01:04:29,765
anybody can upload their community event.

1044
01:04:29,975 --> 01:04:31,965
There is a small approval process.

1045
01:04:32,185 --> 01:04:34,685
We don't just let anything pass through the gates,

1046
01:04:35,385 --> 01:04:36,965
but a free community resource.

1047
01:04:37,465 --> 01:04:40,485
And I think one of the top event calendars for the city

1048
01:04:40,505 --> 01:04:44,765
and county, we send out weekly e-news updates.

1049
01:04:45,265 --> 01:04:48,365
We had 40, over 42,000 reads on those.

1050
01:04:48,805 --> 01:04:50,485
I mentioned the Profile magazine.

1051
01:04:51,245 --> 01:04:53,125
Moving a little bit more into that digital

1052
01:04:53,305 --> 01:04:57,325
and social communications, our home Facebook page,

1053
01:04:57,505 --> 01:04:59,885
not the concerts in the park or Young Professionals Network

1054
01:04:59,945 --> 01:05:01,365
or some of the auxiliary pages,

1055
01:05:01,785 --> 01:05:05,365
but the Chambers page enjoyed 1.5 million views this year

1056
01:05:05,585 --> 01:05:08,845
and that's a 95.5% increase over prior years.

1057
01:05:08,875 --> 01:05:11,645
Part of that strategically us pushing out a little

1058
01:05:11,645 --> 01:05:12,805
bit more messaging there.

1059
01:05:13,105 --> 01:05:15,605
And then part of that's just how the industry's moving

1060
01:05:15,665 --> 01:05:17,885
and how they consume their information and data.

1061
01:05:17,885 --> 01:05:20,885
You're seeing more and more social media engagement.

1062
01:05:20,945 --> 01:05:24,525
I'm, I'm sure you're very well aware some

1063
01:05:24,525 --> 01:05:28,965
of the work we do is not just direct support to businesses,

1064
01:05:29,025 --> 01:05:30,125
but really making sure

1065
01:05:30,125 --> 01:05:31,685
that we're building a better community.

1066
01:05:31,685 --> 01:05:34,325
And again, oftentimes that's in partnership

1067
01:05:34,395 --> 01:05:37,365
with you up there on the dais with the city

1068
01:05:38,145 --> 01:05:39,965
and with the other partners in this room

1069
01:05:40,065 --> 01:05:43,205
and in this category very specifically visit Grants

1070
01:05:43,275 --> 01:05:44,525
Pass and Main Street.

1071
01:05:45,265 --> 01:05:47,485
But the Chamber puts on these events

1072
01:05:47,945 --> 01:05:49,845
to make Grants Pass a better place

1073
01:05:49,845 --> 01:05:51,085
to work, live and do business.

1074
01:05:51,285 --> 01:05:54,725
I mean we know that retaining employees is a challenge

1075
01:05:54,755 --> 01:05:56,005
that we're facing today.

1076
01:05:56,545 --> 01:05:58,405
So our next generation of workforce,

1077
01:05:58,465 --> 01:06:00,685
making sure this is a place that they want

1078
01:06:00,685 --> 01:06:02,645
to either come back home to

1079
01:06:03,065 --> 01:06:05,725
or stick around, start their own business or,

1080
01:06:05,905 --> 01:06:07,605
or maybe come work for one of you.

1081
01:06:08,285 --> 01:06:10,725
So through that work, we enjoy doing the concerts in the

1082
01:06:10,725 --> 01:06:13,765
park, wine stroll, tap walk,

1083
01:06:13,985 --> 01:06:17,005
and hosting that community calendar Lemonade Day,

1084
01:06:17,205 --> 01:06:18,925
although it's a fantastic event and,

1085
01:06:18,945 --> 01:06:20,805
and I think beloved by the community,

1086
01:06:20,805 --> 01:06:23,605
that one falls a little bit more under the workforce

1087
01:06:23,635 --> 01:06:26,525
development and then the awards banquet.

1088
01:06:26,525 --> 01:06:29,285
Just an opportunity to celebrate success in business.

1089
01:06:30,745 --> 01:06:33,365
The other piece that we do, as Blair said on his slide,

1090
01:06:33,365 --> 01:06:34,805
thank you for clearly defining

1091
01:06:34,805 --> 01:06:38,085
that Blair is just helping businesses expand their network.

1092
01:06:38,195 --> 01:06:40,565
What, you know, I, I heard a question up here previously

1093
01:06:40,565 --> 01:06:41,925
about succession planning.

1094
01:06:42,255 --> 01:06:45,005
Maybe it's growing your business, maybe it's knowing how

1095
01:06:45,385 --> 01:06:47,165
to source locally and integrate

1096
01:06:47,165 --> 01:06:48,805
with other folks in the community.

1097
01:06:49,495 --> 01:06:51,245
Maybe it's just picking their brain

1098
01:06:51,245 --> 01:06:54,245
or having a support staff around you of like-minded folks.

1099
01:06:54,825 --> 01:06:57,285
So I, I showed the statistics on greeters,

1100
01:06:57,725 --> 01:06:59,165
I showed it on ribbon cuttings.

1101
01:06:59,165 --> 01:07:00,605
We do business after hours.

1102
01:07:01,275 --> 01:07:03,725
Peer perspectives is a learning opportunity.

1103
01:07:03,905 --> 01:07:06,285
We take that business retention expansion survey

1104
01:07:06,355 --> 01:07:08,565
that Blair mentioned and we presented to you

1105
01:07:09,025 --> 01:07:11,325
and to find some of the key challenge areas

1106
01:07:11,425 --> 01:07:13,485
and put on some learning opportunities there.

1107
01:07:14,185 --> 01:07:16,685
We have a business retention and expansion committee

1108
01:07:17,065 --> 01:07:19,845
and then of course a very strong advocacy

1109
01:07:19,845 --> 01:07:21,245
and government affairs committee.

1110
01:07:22,865 --> 01:07:25,685
In doing so, we share space with partners in the area

1111
01:07:26,545 --> 01:07:28,365
in workforce and education.

1112
01:07:28,945 --> 01:07:30,365
We host Lemonade Day,

1113
01:07:31,045 --> 01:07:34,085
recently launched the Rogue Leadership Training experience.

1114
01:07:34,585 --> 01:07:37,085
We have a very strong young Professionals network.

1115
01:07:37,625 --> 01:07:40,605
We help engage both with hosting interns ourself

1116
01:07:40,605 --> 01:07:43,565
through PY plus Grants Pass High School Boys and Girls Club

1117
01:07:43,945 --> 01:07:45,925
and Three Rivers School District.

1118
01:07:45,925 --> 01:07:46,965
But we also try

1119
01:07:47,685 --> 01:07:51,445
whenever possible to be matchmakers for those youth wanting

1120
01:07:51,445 --> 01:07:53,205
to do some career exploration.

1121
01:07:53,535 --> 01:07:56,165
Happy to connect them with our local business community.

1122
01:07:57,065 --> 01:07:59,725
We show up and participate in several different high school

1123
01:07:59,725 --> 01:08:01,005
Career Academy courses.

1124
01:08:01,585 --> 01:08:03,045
We do a very small amount

1125
01:08:03,185 --> 01:08:05,405
of our own advising and connecting.

1126
01:08:05,705 --> 01:08:08,245
And then finally our Young Professionals network

1127
01:08:08,385 --> 01:08:11,725
and ambassadors are happy to raise money to give

1128
01:08:11,985 --> 01:08:13,685
to local kids for scholarships.

1129
01:08:14,055 --> 01:08:16,005
Those scholarships are maybe just a little

1130
01:08:16,025 --> 01:08:17,845
bit outside the norm.

1131
01:08:17,935 --> 01:08:20,245
We're not given kids scholarships to go off

1132
01:08:20,245 --> 01:08:21,725
to four year universities.

1133
01:08:22,005 --> 01:08:25,165
Although we support that. Our scholarships will always be

1134
01:08:25,165 --> 01:08:30,085
focused for kids going in to trades that are staying local,

1135
01:08:30,495 --> 01:08:33,365
maybe RCC or a trade school

1136
01:08:33,545 --> 01:08:36,485
and plan on keeping their skills in our valley.

1137
01:08:37,635 --> 01:08:41,325
Finally, as we look to growth in 2026, it is

1138
01:08:41,325 --> 01:08:43,525
of course maintain those pro programs

1139
01:08:43,525 --> 01:08:44,725
that you're used to seeing.

1140
01:08:45,485 --> 01:08:47,725
We hope to expand our Lemonade Day offerings

1141
01:08:47,825 --> 01:08:49,965
to encompass a little bit more of the county.

1142
01:08:51,345 --> 01:08:53,885
We are just finishing up a Venture Hub website

1143
01:08:53,885 --> 01:08:57,285
that will help connect building owners if there's a space

1144
01:08:57,385 --> 01:08:59,885
for lease with upcoming entrepreneurs.

1145
01:09:00,645 --> 01:09:02,405
That platform is almost complete,

1146
01:09:03,465 --> 01:09:04,725
almost completed on a

1147
01:09:04,725 --> 01:09:06,125
small business health insurance program.

1148
01:09:06,135 --> 01:09:07,285
Oftentimes, you know,

1149
01:09:07,285 --> 01:09:09,725
what we see here in our community is we're fortunate

1150
01:09:09,725 --> 01:09:11,445
to have a ton of mom

1151
01:09:11,445 --> 01:09:13,405
and pop, small industry, small business,

1152
01:09:13,465 --> 01:09:14,685
not the big box stores,

1153
01:09:15,305 --> 01:09:18,725
but those businesses struggle to find access

1154
01:09:18,745 --> 01:09:19,925
to group health insurance.

1155
01:09:20,305 --> 01:09:22,965
So with the Chamber being a larger umbrella, we're working

1156
01:09:23,625 --> 01:09:25,365
and have identified that as a challenge.

1157
01:09:25,385 --> 01:09:26,805
We hope we can be part of it.

1158
01:09:28,175 --> 01:09:30,125
Publishing has start a business manual.

1159
01:09:30,305 --> 01:09:32,645
The city and Dana's department does a great job.

1160
01:09:32,675 --> 01:09:35,045
This will expand a little bit more depth

1161
01:09:35,105 --> 01:09:37,885
and also include the county looking

1162
01:09:37,985 --> 01:09:41,165
to expand our involvement in workforce development.

1163
01:09:41,805 --> 01:09:44,125
I met, you know, you asked questions about the SBDC.

1164
01:09:44,125 --> 01:09:47,925
I've met with Lisa, who's here in the room today, Ruth,

1165
01:09:48,405 --> 01:09:51,125
this afternoon I meet with the state's SBDC

1166
01:09:51,505 --> 01:09:54,125
and then Lisa's gonna come to our Business Retention

1167
01:09:54,145 --> 01:09:55,645
and Expansion committee tomorrow.

1168
01:09:56,145 --> 01:09:58,725
To address some of the concerns I heard earlier is just,

1169
01:09:59,205 --> 01:10:01,925
first of all, I'm very, very excited

1170
01:10:01,985 --> 01:10:04,765
and proud of the fact that RCC provides so much

1171
01:10:04,765 --> 01:10:06,125
of these resources already.

1172
01:10:06,965 --> 01:10:08,365
They've been an incredible partner.

1173
01:10:08,545 --> 01:10:11,365
We refer a lot to rccs SBDC

1174
01:10:11,785 --> 01:10:14,365
and we will continue to do so with RCC.

1175
01:10:14,785 --> 01:10:16,005
But as you mentioned earlier,

1176
01:10:16,155 --> 01:10:17,845
just making sure there are no gaps.

1177
01:10:17,985 --> 01:10:20,165
How do we continue messaging and referrals

1178
01:10:20,585 --> 01:10:23,445
and make sure that we're the front door when people need

1179
01:10:23,445 --> 01:10:24,805
to get those resources.

1180
01:10:25,585 --> 01:10:27,085
And then finally, I heard up here

1181
01:10:27,135 --> 01:10:28,885
today, succession planning.

1182
01:10:29,105 --> 01:10:32,245
So there are also a few organizations in the work.

1183
01:10:32,305 --> 01:10:34,485
So I can't take credit for being the tip of the spear

1184
01:10:34,485 --> 01:10:37,005
because one of our local rotary organizations

1185
01:10:37,585 --> 01:10:40,245
is really looking at propping up a mentorship program.

1186
01:10:41,445 --> 01:10:44,205
We're working in partnership with that Rotary group,

1187
01:10:44,305 --> 01:10:45,325
the Hive, the Chamber,

1188
01:10:45,385 --> 01:10:47,965
and some of our members to see what we can do

1189
01:10:47,985 --> 01:10:51,645
to help launch a mentoring program that would help again,

1190
01:10:51,985 --> 01:10:55,485
as you move through those life cycles of your business.

1191
01:10:56,385 --> 01:10:59,245
And with that, it looks like about 43 seconds left.

1192
01:10:59,385 --> 01:11:02,045
I'm gonna stop and see if there's questions.

1193
01:11:03,655 --> 01:11:07,405
Thank you Terry. I I, I, you got a lot of words in there.

1194
01:11:07,645 --> 01:11:10,005
There's a lot. You're, you're, you're a good one.

1195
01:11:10,005 --> 01:11:11,405
You're very efficient. Thank you very much.

1196
01:11:12,605 --> 01:11:14,965
Questions to counsel Rob.

1197
01:11:17,265 --> 01:11:20,005
Thanks Terry. 101 years worth of good work

1198
01:11:20,585 --> 01:11:23,925
and I appreciate you dividing out the, the two aspects

1199
01:11:24,065 --> 01:11:26,805
as far as what the visitor center, just a small part,

1200
01:11:26,805 --> 01:11:27,845
but a very important part and I

1201
01:11:27,845 --> 01:11:28,965
appreciate you dividing that out.

1202
01:11:30,325 --> 01:11:33,805
I just also want to thank you for making extremely easy

1203
01:11:34,035 --> 01:11:36,525
with regards to anyone who wanted to provide testimony

1204
01:11:37,105 --> 01:11:40,445
for the Spalding Industrial Park grant money.

1205
01:11:41,395 --> 01:11:43,005
Frankly, the emails that you sent

1206
01:11:43,005 --> 01:11:45,045
to council made it very easy for anyone who was interested

1207
01:11:45,105 --> 01:11:48,045
to provide testimony and mostly

1208
01:11:48,045 --> 01:11:49,685
because of that is one of the reasons.

1209
01:11:49,685 --> 01:11:51,125
Well it's one of the main reasons that I

1210
01:11:51,285 --> 01:11:53,565
provided testimony, so I appreciate that. Thank you.

1211
01:11:53,855 --> 01:11:54,965
Thank you. And to that point,

1212
01:11:55,165 --> 01:11:57,525
'cause somebody else offered, asked Blair earlier, you know,

1213
01:11:57,525 --> 01:11:58,965
there are a lot of opportunities.

1214
01:11:59,265 --> 01:12:02,765
We are obviously very fiscally conservative organization,

1215
01:12:02,865 --> 01:12:05,245
are always trying to lower the tax burden,

1216
01:12:05,305 --> 01:12:07,325
but sometimes when that money's already going to the,

1217
01:12:07,505 --> 01:12:10,605
the state or the feds, it's also our job

1218
01:12:10,625 --> 01:12:12,765
to help make sure we put it to work here locally.

1219
01:12:13,345 --> 01:12:17,285
So whether it's Widen, Merkley, Ben's staff, you know, I,

1220
01:12:17,465 --> 01:12:20,765
I'm hopeful that Chief Sanchez has an opportunity

1221
01:12:20,905 --> 01:12:23,165
to have a community initiated project

1222
01:12:23,625 --> 01:12:25,165
for the Hillcrest Fire Station.

1223
01:12:25,985 --> 01:12:29,685
I'm always happy to be talking about the BRI grant

1224
01:12:29,705 --> 01:12:32,325
and getting that $50 million back to the city

1225
01:12:32,325 --> 01:12:33,365
that was awarded.

1226
01:12:33,945 --> 01:12:36,445
So yeah, work in advocacy is a lot.

1227
01:12:36,725 --> 01:12:38,085
I appreciate the recognition, Rob.

1228
01:12:38,705 --> 01:12:40,125
Yep. And thank you very much Terry.

1229
01:12:40,325 --> 01:12:42,045
'cause that was a great effort from, from all,

1230
01:12:42,075 --> 01:12:45,245
from all sides to get that money in. Questions Rick,

1231
01:12:46,175 --> 01:12:47,175
Thank you.

1232
01:12:47,175 --> 01:12:49,925
Terry, you indicated the phone calls this

1233
01:12:49,925 --> 01:12:51,005
past year have doubled.

1234
01:12:51,505 --> 01:12:54,525
How was the number of people visiting the center as well?

1235
01:12:54,755 --> 01:12:56,205
Yeah, I'm sorry. It's,

1236
01:12:56,205 --> 01:12:58,125
it was actually oddly enough the number

1237
01:12:58,125 --> 01:13:00,965
of relocation packets re that we sent out.

1238
01:13:00,965 --> 01:13:04,565
The doubled phone calls were almost identical at just

1239
01:13:04,565 --> 01:13:05,765
over 3000.

1240
01:13:05,905 --> 01:13:09,645
The number of in-person visitors increased just slightly

1241
01:13:10,045 --> 01:13:11,125
compared to prior year.

1242
01:13:11,625 --> 01:13:13,925
And I attribute that to the work

1243
01:13:13,925 --> 01:13:15,885
that Visit Grant's Pass is doing.

1244
01:13:16,085 --> 01:13:18,685
I think generally speaking, we're seeing an increase

1245
01:13:19,385 --> 01:13:20,805
in traffic and especially compared

1246
01:13:20,805 --> 01:13:22,005
to some of our competitors.

1247
01:13:22,125 --> 01:13:23,525
I won't steal his thunder,

1248
01:13:24,385 --> 01:13:26,325
but phone calls pretty close to the same

1249
01:13:26,325 --> 01:13:29,205
as prior year in-person visits have increased

1250
01:13:29,305 --> 01:13:32,645
and that small number of 85 was the odd one that doubled.

1251
01:13:32,865 --> 01:13:35,325
And how does that compare to other chambers in the state?

1252
01:13:35,885 --> 01:13:37,245
Great question. I don't know the answer to that.

1253
01:13:37,285 --> 01:13:39,845
I could certainly do a little bit of research and find out.

1254
01:13:39,975 --> 01:13:42,845
Thank you. I bet, I bet Dan's got all the data on

1255
01:13:42,865 --> 01:13:43,885
who came to our town.

1256
01:13:45,355 --> 01:13:47,165
Perfect. Thank you. Further question, Derek,

1257
01:13:48,895 --> 01:13:50,685
Thank you for everything that, that you do.

1258
01:13:50,795 --> 01:13:54,405
It's really, I really appreciate it

1259
01:13:54,405 --> 01:13:55,685
and I'm sure the community does as well.

1260
01:13:55,745 --> 01:13:57,045
You are a very busy man

1261
01:13:57,225 --> 01:14:00,725
and it's clear, it's obvious that what you

1262
01:14:00,725 --> 01:14:01,765
and your, what the Chamber

1263
01:14:01,785 --> 01:14:04,325
of Commerce put out is, is excellent.

1264
01:14:04,445 --> 01:14:06,085
I don't have anything to, to really,

1265
01:14:06,245 --> 01:14:08,645
I don't have any questions, but I just looked through this

1266
01:14:08,665 --> 01:14:10,765
and this is a, a a a

1267
01:14:10,765 --> 01:14:13,565
Lot of of great info in here for Grants Pass.

1268
01:14:13,895 --> 01:14:15,725
Thank you. Thank you so much. Without a question,

1269
01:14:15,745 --> 01:14:17,405
I'm still gonna take a moment to respond

1270
01:14:17,405 --> 01:14:19,045
and say it's all my team.

1271
01:14:19,445 --> 01:14:20,765
I get to be a strategic leader,

1272
01:14:20,785 --> 01:14:22,125
but I have an incredible staff.

1273
01:14:22,955 --> 01:14:25,045
Awesome. Thank you. Questions of Victoria?

1274
01:14:26,075 --> 01:14:29,005
Yeah, I just wanna, wanted to reiterate the thanks

1275
01:14:29,305 --> 01:14:33,405
and I love the Lemonade Day was just so wonderful.

1276
01:14:33,475 --> 01:14:35,165
It's great to volunteer for that.

1277
01:14:35,505 --> 01:14:40,285
And it, I really like that you are looking to expand it

1278
01:14:40,545 --> 01:14:42,085
and that will be exciting.

1279
01:14:42,395 --> 01:14:44,085
Just thank you for what you do.

1280
01:14:44,515 --> 01:14:46,325
I'll call you for judging again. Yes,

1281
01:14:47,325 --> 01:14:49,405
I, I'll, I would love to do it. Thank

1282
01:14:49,405 --> 01:14:50,405
You.

1283
01:14:50,405 --> 01:14:54,005
Awesome questions, Seth? No. Any questions? No questions.

1284
01:14:54,005 --> 01:14:55,125
Thank you Joel. Any questions?

1285
01:14:56,215 --> 01:14:57,525
Terry, appreciate what you do.

1286
01:14:57,525 --> 01:14:59,405
As we all do both up here

1287
01:14:59,405 --> 01:15:04,085
and in the audience, this is an opportunity

1288
01:15:04,105 --> 01:15:07,525
for you to teach

1289
01:15:07,545 --> 01:15:09,125
us a little bit.

1290
01:15:10,625 --> 01:15:12,925
We got six months left this year.

1291
01:15:13,145 --> 01:15:14,685
We got another year coming up.

1292
01:15:15,235 --> 01:15:16,365
What do we need to learn

1293
01:15:16,825 --> 01:15:18,965
to make Grants pass even more successful

1294
01:15:18,965 --> 01:15:20,085
in an economic model?

1295
01:15:20,385 --> 01:15:21,525
And how do you feel about it?

1296
01:15:21,775 --> 01:15:23,125
Thank you for that question, Joel.

1297
01:15:23,125 --> 01:15:27,085
Because again, that's a lot of the co the conversations

1298
01:15:27,155 --> 01:15:29,805
that this room is having, that's not just me.

1299
01:15:29,805 --> 01:15:31,605
And you know, there's data that I did

1300
01:15:31,605 --> 01:15:32,765
through the BRE survey.

1301
01:15:33,195 --> 01:15:36,285
This new platform that Blair just presented is incredible.

1302
01:15:36,705 --> 01:15:37,925
I'm a data-driven person.

1303
01:15:38,355 --> 01:15:40,885
Dana and her team has been super responsive

1304
01:15:41,185 --> 01:15:43,365
and you know, now they're gonna be deploying a,

1305
01:15:43,445 --> 01:15:44,805
a new tool for data.

1306
01:15:45,785 --> 01:15:48,605
But you know, we've had conversations like when a business

1307
01:15:48,665 --> 01:15:50,565
closes, who's doing the exit interview

1308
01:15:50,625 --> 01:15:54,765
and who knows, you know, the, through the city's department,

1309
01:15:54,765 --> 01:15:56,685
you know, of course when you start a business you have

1310
01:15:56,685 --> 01:15:58,405
to get a business tax certificate, a business license.

1311
01:15:59,545 --> 01:16:02,165
But when you close, you don't come tell them

1312
01:16:02,295 --> 01:16:04,205
until you just don't renew again next year.

1313
01:16:04,225 --> 01:16:07,085
And sometimes the same thing is true at Secretary of State.

1314
01:16:07,625 --> 01:16:09,885
And so, Joel, I think to answer your question,

1315
01:16:10,155 --> 01:16:13,245
because it is a big, big question, we start

1316
01:16:13,245 --> 01:16:14,485
with the data, right?

1317
01:16:14,825 --> 01:16:16,165
And then from there,

1318
01:16:16,765 --> 01:16:18,805
I think Dan's gonna talk about this a little bit.

1319
01:16:18,865 --> 01:16:21,245
We talk about the story of who we are

1320
01:16:21,305 --> 01:16:23,005
and whether that's Blair

1321
01:16:23,065 --> 01:16:24,885
who might be working a little bit more

1322
01:16:24,905 --> 01:16:26,405
on business recruitment.

1323
01:16:26,745 --> 01:16:28,205
And not to say that he doesn't,

1324
01:16:28,205 --> 01:16:30,925
but the Chamber may be working a little bit more on business

1325
01:16:31,325 --> 01:16:34,445
retention when we're talking about retention, recruitment,

1326
01:16:34,575 --> 01:16:37,565
attracting visitors, bringing traded sector to,

1327
01:16:37,575 --> 01:16:39,965
we're bringing more money into our community

1328
01:16:39,965 --> 01:16:41,125
than we're sending out.

1329
01:16:41,545 --> 01:16:43,325
It comes down to our storytelling.

1330
01:16:43,585 --> 01:16:46,045
It comes down to being in alignment with the folks

1331
01:16:46,075 --> 01:16:48,565
that are both behind me and in front of me.

1332
01:16:48,585 --> 01:16:51,685
And I'm gonna just say it, it, we need

1333
01:16:51,685 --> 01:16:54,365
to have more positive headlines in the news than negative.

1334
01:16:57,795 --> 01:16:59,645
Alright, thank you. Further questions, Indra?

1335
01:17:00,985 --> 01:17:04,405
Yes. Hi Terry. I have a few, so I'm just curious,

1336
01:17:04,665 --> 01:17:06,685
the phone calls, a lot of phone calls.

1337
01:17:06,785 --> 01:17:09,845
What's the major thing people call about?

1338
01:17:09,915 --> 01:17:11,325
Yeah, like the top one or

1339
01:17:11,325 --> 01:17:12,325
Two.

1340
01:17:12,325 --> 01:17:14,205
You know, my staff will love the fact

1341
01:17:14,205 --> 01:17:15,525
hopefully they're watching right now.

1342
01:17:15,595 --> 01:17:17,205
They have a book up at the front office

1343
01:17:17,505 --> 01:17:19,325
of the craziest phone calls they get

1344
01:17:20,105 --> 01:17:21,925
and it is all over the board.

1345
01:17:22,125 --> 01:17:23,605
I, I cannot do this,

1346
01:17:24,145 --> 01:17:27,805
but I I heard overheard a phone call earlier this week

1347
01:17:28,185 --> 01:17:31,485
of one of my volunteers giving somebody directions

1348
01:17:31,485 --> 01:17:34,725
that they were writing down on what highways to turn on

1349
01:17:34,745 --> 01:17:36,085
to get from Reno to here.

1350
01:17:36,085 --> 01:17:38,485
And I was like, who doesn't have Google Maps? Right?

1351
01:17:38,635 --> 01:17:40,605
There's a lot of people. And

1352
01:17:40,605 --> 01:17:43,645
so the phone calls might be directions on how to get here,

1353
01:17:43,915 --> 01:17:47,885
road closures, what's the smoke like when I get there?

1354
01:17:48,025 --> 01:17:50,765
You know, what, what opportunities are there?

1355
01:17:50,765 --> 01:17:53,045
If I've got kids under five years old,

1356
01:17:54,275 --> 01:17:56,125
they are all over the board

1357
01:17:56,225 --> 01:17:58,925
and it's, I mean, it's fun to just listen to and hear them,

1358
01:17:59,445 --> 01:18:00,965
but most of those are just gonna be

1359
01:18:00,965 --> 01:18:02,245
general visitor questions.

1360
01:18:02,545 --> 01:18:05,365
How do I get to the Oregon caves? When are they open?

1361
01:18:05,705 --> 01:18:07,965
We get a lot of when do the bears

1362
01:18:07,965 --> 01:18:11,045
that Evergreen Federal Bank do go out, you know, what time

1363
01:18:11,045 --> 01:18:13,485
of the year can I see the bears or the Christmas cards?

1364
01:18:14,225 --> 01:18:15,605
And then a lot of those times, you know,

1365
01:18:15,605 --> 01:18:18,325
we're referring back to our own event calendar,

1366
01:18:18,415 --> 01:18:21,045
we're referring to visit grants, pass assets,

1367
01:18:21,345 --> 01:18:23,405
you know, huge increase.

1368
01:18:23,465 --> 01:18:25,565
And I see Speedo here today

1369
01:18:26,145 --> 01:18:28,045
in the mountain biking community.

1370
01:18:28,475 --> 01:18:31,485
Lots and lots of people reaching out about, you know,

1371
01:18:31,665 --> 01:18:33,565
can I ride my horse on this trail?

1372
01:18:33,665 --> 01:18:35,725
Or is it mountain biking, hiking only?

1373
01:18:36,545 --> 01:18:38,925
And so that we've seen a huge increase in people

1374
01:18:39,675 --> 01:18:41,885
talking about outdoor rec.

1375
01:18:42,775 --> 01:18:44,325
Great. And then

1376
01:18:44,405 --> 01:18:47,845
likewise, your, your doubling of relocation packets.

1377
01:18:47,905 --> 01:18:49,245
Who do you find out,

1378
01:18:49,465 --> 01:18:52,725
are those mostly retired folks coming here or families

1379
01:18:52,745 --> 01:18:53,845
or It's all over the board.

1380
01:18:54,025 --> 01:18:56,045
All over the board. I mean, it, it might be

1381
01:18:56,805 --> 01:19:00,925
somebody who's, I will say, although it's all over the board

1382
01:19:00,925 --> 01:19:03,925
and age group, there is a little bit

1383
01:19:03,925 --> 01:19:05,285
of a common thread there.

1384
01:19:05,625 --> 01:19:07,525
And usually it has to do with family.

1385
01:19:07,905 --> 01:19:11,485
You know, my mom is getting up in age and is retired

1386
01:19:11,485 --> 01:19:12,885
and I want her to come live with me

1387
01:19:13,065 --> 01:19:15,205
or flip side, you know, my mom lives there

1388
01:19:15,205 --> 01:19:18,205
and I'm coming to make sure I take care of her.

1389
01:19:18,985 --> 01:19:20,245
So a lot of it is,

1390
01:19:20,985 --> 01:19:22,525
if they're actually looking at moving here,

1391
01:19:22,525 --> 01:19:24,365
there's a family tie there somewhere.

1392
01:19:24,785 --> 01:19:28,365
But the number of relocation packets, if I had to guess,

1393
01:19:28,895 --> 01:19:32,365
steer a little bit older at least on the ones we mail out

1394
01:19:32,365 --> 01:19:34,725
because all of this information is available online.

1395
01:19:36,985 --> 01:19:41,485
And then I'm curious also, how do you work together

1396
01:19:41,555 --> 01:19:42,925
with the visitor center?

1397
01:19:43,265 --> 01:19:46,605
So they kind of do, do they do the same kinds of things?

1398
01:19:46,745 --> 01:19:49,325
It seems like, do you have the same materials?

1399
01:19:49,425 --> 01:19:52,685
Do you refer people to the visitor center as well?

1400
01:19:53,955 --> 01:19:55,885
Yeah, first of all, and

1401
01:19:55,905 --> 01:19:59,525
and again, this is as we work right now with city staff,

1402
01:19:59,625 --> 01:20:02,205
but you know, eventually, hopefully that becomes Dan

1403
01:20:02,995 --> 01:20:04,325
even getting the naming right,

1404
01:20:04,325 --> 01:20:06,125
because I am the visitor center,

1405
01:20:06,125 --> 01:20:08,365
they're the downtown welcome center.

1406
01:20:09,825 --> 01:20:13,125
But in the past, yes, there have been opportunities when,

1407
01:20:13,225 --> 01:20:16,445
you know, there's been customer service training, you know,

1408
01:20:16,445 --> 01:20:18,245
whether that's just how do you greet folks

1409
01:20:18,745 --> 01:20:21,925
or we've done downtown exploration tours to

1410
01:20:21,925 --> 01:20:23,565
where we go visit local stores.

1411
01:20:24,465 --> 01:20:26,965
So in the past there has been a little bit

1412
01:20:26,965 --> 01:20:30,365
of crossover since the remodel of the

1413
01:20:31,125 --> 01:20:32,125
downtown welcome center.

1414
01:20:32,125 --> 01:20:35,645
They have a lot less print materials and flyers.

1415
01:20:36,285 --> 01:20:38,685
I think that the hope moving forward is, is that

1416
01:20:38,685 --> 01:20:40,645
that's folks that I've already got in the door

1417
01:20:40,705 --> 01:20:44,365
and sent into to town or the county

1418
01:20:44,425 --> 01:20:46,605
or whatever, that maybe they're popping in then

1419
01:20:46,705 --> 01:20:49,805
to become a little bit more hypo hyper-local could stop in

1420
01:20:49,805 --> 01:20:51,205
and taste some wine.

1421
01:20:51,865 --> 01:20:54,005
But the the short answer is, is yes,

1422
01:20:54,065 --> 01:20:55,485
the communication is there.

1423
01:20:55,965 --> 01:20:58,765
I think that we have an opportunity to do a much,

1424
01:20:58,765 --> 01:21:01,085
much better job on both the training

1425
01:21:01,105 --> 01:21:03,885
and the storytelling between the two locations.

1426
01:21:03,885 --> 01:21:05,645
And that's just been a recent thing.

1427
01:21:06,385 --> 01:21:10,005
But I've been in regular, regular contact

1428
01:21:10,475 --> 01:21:11,925
with Visit Grant's Pass

1429
01:21:12,105 --> 01:21:14,085
and say, if they take over that location,

1430
01:21:14,305 --> 01:21:17,485
how can we cross train, cross-promote, tell the same story?

1431
01:21:17,595 --> 01:21:20,885
Because the visitor doesn't understand which ones the

1432
01:21:20,885 --> 01:21:22,325
visitor center and the welcome center

1433
01:21:22,545 --> 01:21:24,485
and the, the visitor doesn't understand

1434
01:21:24,485 --> 01:21:26,045
that the chamber's running this one

1435
01:21:26,045 --> 01:21:27,485
and the city's running that one.

1436
01:21:27,485 --> 01:21:29,685
And so it, it's a very exciting opportunity.

1437
01:21:30,975 --> 01:21:32,605
Thank you for reminding me.

1438
01:21:32,765 --> 01:21:34,725
I should know the difference. Welcome center.

1439
01:21:34,965 --> 01:21:36,205
I, I bet you could ask my own

1440
01:21:36,205 --> 01:21:37,325
staff and they'd give it wrong.

1441
01:21:37,425 --> 01:21:40,765
So I'm glad that it would be working together.

1442
01:21:40,955 --> 01:21:43,405
Yeah, do do people sometimes go to one

1443
01:21:43,405 --> 01:21:46,325
or the other without visiting the other one?

1444
01:21:46,685 --> 01:21:48,405
I would, yeah. I mean, so one

1445
01:21:48,405 --> 01:21:51,285
of the big differentiations is, is that the North visitor,

1446
01:21:51,285 --> 01:21:53,685
the one that I have, you can pull an RV

1447
01:21:53,705 --> 01:21:55,565
or a tour bus, so on so forth.

1448
01:21:55,825 --> 01:21:59,605
So big group tours I would generally always get.

1449
01:22:00,985 --> 01:22:04,285
But folks that maybe, again, they've got family living here,

1450
01:22:04,285 --> 01:22:06,845
they're not just coming in, I've never been here before

1451
01:22:07,505 --> 01:22:09,965
and they're already with their family in downtown,

1452
01:22:10,605 --> 01:22:12,325
they probably bypassed me

1453
01:22:12,705 --> 01:22:14,765
and then we'll say, Hey, we're already here.

1454
01:22:14,815 --> 01:22:16,005
Let's pop in and see

1455
01:22:16,005 --> 01:22:18,325
what other opportunities present themselves.

1456
01:22:19,055 --> 01:22:23,005
Thank you. And last question, you mentioned the county,

1457
01:22:23,035 --> 01:22:25,845
including the county several times, is,

1458
01:22:26,185 --> 01:22:28,285
are you actively now working with them

1459
01:22:28,345 --> 01:22:31,605
and would you look to also contract with them in some way?

1460
01:22:31,905 --> 01:22:33,845
Oh yeah. And I mean I think it's just by nature

1461
01:22:33,905 --> 01:22:36,245
of who's hosting this event today, right?

1462
01:22:36,365 --> 01:22:38,605
I mean you're getting all the contractors that work

1463
01:22:38,605 --> 01:22:40,605
with you in the city, but a lot of the work

1464
01:22:40,605 --> 01:22:42,885
that I'm doing out in the county already involves,

1465
01:22:42,885 --> 01:22:45,245
so already of course it involves the SBDC,

1466
01:22:45,525 --> 01:22:47,085
I mean the partners that you don't have in front

1467
01:22:47,085 --> 01:22:51,205
of you today by virtue of location, you know, I-V-C-D-O

1468
01:22:51,425 --> 01:22:53,765
or Ivy Cando is an incredible organization.

1469
01:22:54,035 --> 01:22:55,885
There's an Illinois Valley Chamber of Commerce.

1470
01:22:55,985 --> 01:22:57,485
And even though I'm the Josephine

1471
01:22:57,585 --> 01:23:00,165
and Grants Pass Chamber, we overlap with them

1472
01:23:00,165 --> 01:23:01,645
and their phenomenal partners.

1473
01:23:02,425 --> 01:23:05,725
You know, when we're talking with the Oregon caves,

1474
01:23:05,915 --> 01:23:07,125
greater Applegate

1475
01:23:08,305 --> 01:23:12,645
or the wine trail, the wine, the food trail, the wine trail.

1476
01:23:12,905 --> 01:23:15,805
And so there are a lot more county partners

1477
01:23:15,805 --> 01:23:17,605
that look a lot like this room.

1478
01:23:19,375 --> 01:23:21,605
Thank you for your time today. We

1479
01:23:21,605 --> 01:23:22,605
Got further question.

1480
01:23:22,605 --> 01:23:23,205
I got Rob. No,

1481
01:23:23,595 --> 01:23:24,595
Yeah, Terry, thanks.

1482
01:23:26,545 --> 01:23:29,605
So you've got, you know, all the, the events

1483
01:23:29,605 --> 01:23:32,325
that you guys are responsible for concerts in the park

1484
01:23:32,325 --> 01:23:35,725
and the wine stroll and all that, is that

1485
01:23:36,345 --> 01:23:39,245
all financed just from your membership and

1486
01:23:39,905 --> 01:23:42,445
or possibly sponsorships or how is that fine?

1487
01:23:42,445 --> 01:23:44,245
Is that, are there taxpayer dollars involved

1488
01:23:44,245 --> 01:23:45,565
with you putting on those events

1489
01:23:45,565 --> 01:23:46,845
or is that from membership dues?

1490
01:23:47,595 --> 01:23:50,485
Yeah, I want to be very, very specific in this answer.

1491
01:23:50,685 --> 01:23:52,165
I mean also very transparent.

1492
01:23:52,245 --> 01:23:55,205
I mean, some of those events are revenue generators.

1493
01:23:55,315 --> 01:23:57,605
They help bring me money so

1494
01:23:57,605 --> 01:24:00,645
that I can keep the membership dues affordable

1495
01:24:00,705 --> 01:24:02,405
and not raise them year after year.

1496
01:24:02,785 --> 01:24:05,205
So in, in the sake of transparency, some

1497
01:24:05,205 --> 01:24:06,925
of those generate revenue that help

1498
01:24:06,925 --> 01:24:08,325
with the chamber operations

1499
01:24:08,705 --> 01:24:10,685
to directly answer your questions.

1500
01:24:11,215 --> 01:24:16,165
Those are supported by membership dues, sponsorships,

1501
01:24:16,835 --> 01:24:18,365
very, very rarely grants,

1502
01:24:18,825 --> 01:24:21,565
but also in the sake of transparency, the city

1503
01:24:21,565 --> 01:24:24,085
of Grants Pass is the mem a member

1504
01:24:24,085 --> 01:24:25,165
of the Chamber of Commerce.

1505
01:24:25,745 --> 01:24:30,205
And at a level to where the you guys are sponsors of

1506
01:24:31,205 --> 01:24:33,965
concerts in the park by virtue of your membership level,

1507
01:24:34,305 --> 01:24:37,245
you know, you guys, I'll, I'll be back later this week

1508
01:24:37,245 --> 01:24:39,805
or next week to ask you to waive park fees

1509
01:24:40,465 --> 01:24:41,645
for the use of the park.

1510
01:24:41,985 --> 01:24:44,685
And so I want to be really honest when I say that

1511
01:24:45,645 --> 01:24:48,085
I don't want to be over generalized when I say no,

1512
01:24:48,085 --> 01:24:49,765
there's no tax dollars involved

1513
01:24:49,765 --> 01:24:52,085
because the city does have a chamber membership

1514
01:24:52,085 --> 01:24:53,485
and the city will waive fees

1515
01:24:53,665 --> 01:24:55,445
for an event like concerts in the park.

1516
01:24:55,945 --> 01:25:00,045
But to the point of your question, I think the answer is no,

1517
01:25:00,315 --> 01:25:02,165
this is not taxpayer dollars.

1518
01:25:02,195 --> 01:25:04,365
With those slight, slight caveats,

1519
01:25:04,975 --> 01:25:08,485
Thank you for that detailed, detailed explanation.

1520
01:25:08,785 --> 01:25:12,725
And then what typically, you mentioned different levels

1521
01:25:12,785 --> 01:25:17,765
of membership, I guess what typically is a are are dues

1522
01:25:17,765 --> 01:25:21,765
for a what, what levels of dues does it cost to be a member?

1523
01:25:21,905 --> 01:25:24,325
The majority of our members are at a level

1524
01:25:24,325 --> 01:25:26,765
that's $320 a year.

1525
01:25:26,945 --> 01:25:30,285
Our second most popular is $590 a year.

1526
01:25:30,665 --> 01:25:33,925
But we have membership tiers that go all the way up

1527
01:25:33,925 --> 01:25:35,725
to $7,500 a year.

1528
01:25:37,455 --> 01:25:40,205
Great. And then you mentioned 98 new members

1529
01:25:40,945 --> 01:25:43,005
and 88% retention of old members,

1530
01:25:43,185 --> 01:25:45,125
but I don't see a number there for how many members

1531
01:25:45,665 --> 01:25:46,665
You have?

1532
01:25:46,745 --> 01:25:49,285
606 as of this morning. Wow.

1533
01:25:50,665 --> 01:25:51,805
So that seems to lot Up a lot.

1534
01:25:51,805 --> 01:25:55,765
Joel's one of the 98 new Thank you Joel Indra is one

1535
01:25:55,765 --> 01:25:57,525
of the 88% retention.

1536
01:25:58,615 --> 01:26:00,205
Thank you Indra, Seth.

1537
01:26:00,555 --> 01:26:03,445
Yeah, I mean the diocese has, you guys are business folks?

1538
01:26:03,645 --> 01:26:05,085
I have, I have business members up here.

1539
01:26:05,185 --> 01:26:07,285
So roughly the number of members now compared

1540
01:26:07,285 --> 01:26:09,325
to say 10 years ago.

1541
01:26:10,235 --> 01:26:12,765
Yeah, It seems like it's gone up, but I, I could be

1542
01:26:13,035 --> 01:26:16,485
This last year, the 98 is a record as far

1543
01:26:16,505 --> 01:26:18,005
as our database goes back.

1544
01:26:18,265 --> 01:26:20,245
I'm, you know, we're 101 years old.

1545
01:26:20,315 --> 01:26:21,805
It's pretty hard for me to say that

1546
01:26:21,805 --> 01:26:22,885
that's a record of all time.

1547
01:26:22,905 --> 01:26:26,525
But the current database that we're using 98 was a record

1548
01:26:26,665 --> 01:26:28,485
for most new members in a year.

1549
01:26:29,705 --> 01:26:32,125
But when you say the word 10 years ago,

1550
01:26:32,515 --> 01:26:34,845
there's a little thing that we all remember called COVID

1551
01:26:34,915 --> 01:26:37,925
that absolutely decimated our membership base.

1552
01:26:38,025 --> 01:26:41,205
And so we're really just kind of climbing up to probably

1553
01:26:41,205 --> 01:26:43,605
where we might've been 10 years ago. Okay,

1554
01:26:43,895 --> 01:26:44,645
Thank you. Yeah,

1555
01:26:44,645 --> 01:26:45,645
Perfect.

1556
01:26:45,645 --> 01:26:48,205
Thanks for all the information. Very much so.

1557
01:26:48,225 --> 01:26:49,245
So I'm gonna get back to Dana

1558
01:26:49,465 --> 01:26:51,525
to introduce the next organization.

1559
01:27:02,425 --> 01:27:05,045
All right, next we have the Josephine County

1560
01:27:07,045 --> 01:27:09,725
Visitors Association, also known as Visit Grants Pass.

1561
01:27:10,585 --> 01:27:13,205
Dan Buck, he is the official,

1562
01:27:13,565 --> 01:27:15,445
official destination marketing organization

1563
01:27:15,545 --> 01:27:17,685
for Grants Pass in Josephine County

1564
01:27:18,145 --> 01:27:22,085
and focused on driving tourism and economic impact.

1565
01:27:22,785 --> 01:27:23,885
So let me pull this

1566
01:27:24,465 --> 01:27:25,465
Up.

1567
01:27:25,465 --> 01:27:26,565
Alright, I think we're good to go.

1568
01:27:26,635 --> 01:27:30,285
Alright, thank you Dana. Good afternoon Counselors.

1569
01:27:31,095 --> 01:27:34,685
Mayor, thank you for taking the time.

1570
01:27:35,155 --> 01:27:36,845
Forgive my voice

1571
01:27:37,185 --> 01:27:39,525
and the lozenges got a touch of the cold,

1572
01:27:39,705 --> 01:27:41,045
so we'll try to move through this.

1573
01:27:41,565 --> 01:27:46,525
Dana warned me that the sheer volume of slides I have

1574
01:27:46,585 --> 01:27:48,445
for this is Ill-advised, so

1575
01:27:49,665 --> 01:27:50,845
I'm gonna move through them pretty quickly.

1576
01:27:51,565 --> 01:27:53,445
We'll talk about tourism, the state of tourism

1577
01:27:53,905 --> 01:27:56,005
and grants pass in Josephine County

1578
01:27:56,265 --> 01:27:58,685
and then would love any questions you may have.

1579
01:28:02,925 --> 01:28:06,885
There we go. Grants Pass is a tourism community.

1580
01:28:07,075 --> 01:28:09,445
Josephine County is a tourism community that,

1581
01:28:09,445 --> 01:28:11,085
and for some that's a bit of a surprise.

1582
01:28:12,545 --> 01:28:15,885
For the longest time there were many other economic drivers,

1583
01:28:15,945 --> 01:28:17,805
timber obviously for the longest time.

1584
01:28:17,805 --> 01:28:20,845
And then almost overnight it changed and we had to pivot.

1585
01:28:21,305 --> 01:28:22,605
And so behind healthcare

1586
01:28:22,605 --> 01:28:25,445
and human services tourism is

1587
01:28:25,445 --> 01:28:27,325
what keeps our community ticking.

1588
01:28:29,435 --> 01:28:32,365
It's important to note for, for a lot of folks

1589
01:28:32,365 --> 01:28:34,165
that don't understand how the TLT works,

1590
01:28:34,865 --> 01:28:37,285
our local residents do not pay this tax.

1591
01:28:37,395 --> 01:28:42,205
It's visitors exclusively from outside 50 mile radius.

1592
01:28:42,865 --> 01:28:45,845
And that those TLT dollars go to

1593
01:28:46,385 --> 01:28:50,565
in Perpe in perpetuity fund public safety and parks

1594
01:28:50,585 --> 01:28:51,605
and other infrastructure.

1595
01:28:53,335 --> 01:28:55,965
Again, just to reiterate the point a hundred percent

1596
01:28:56,185 --> 01:28:57,365
is paid from visitors.

1597
01:28:57,745 --> 01:28:59,845
Our residents do not pay this tax.

1598
01:29:01,445 --> 01:29:04,365
76% of lodging taxes paid by out state.

1599
01:29:04,485 --> 01:29:06,485
I just thought this was an interesting factoid.

1600
01:29:06,485 --> 01:29:09,885
If you were curious where our people come from, 70%

1601
01:29:09,905 --> 01:29:12,765
of the LOING tax paid by out of state visitors.

1602
01:29:12,765 --> 01:29:16,765
Even though our primary markets are in-state drive markets,

1603
01:29:17,825 --> 01:29:21,245
the vast majority is outside of the state.

1604
01:29:22,865 --> 01:29:26,325
We work at MR Grant's pass, which is the DBA

1605
01:29:26,325 --> 01:29:28,285
for the Josephine County Visitors Association

1606
01:29:29,025 --> 01:29:33,565
to drive attendance to all of the events, attractions,

1607
01:29:34,445 --> 01:29:36,045
resources that all my colleagues

1608
01:29:36,045 --> 01:29:39,245
and friends work year round to create.

1609
01:29:39,865 --> 01:29:44,445
We promote darn near everything in town businesses.

1610
01:29:45,065 --> 01:29:46,485
We, as you can see, we work

1611
01:29:46,485 --> 01:29:49,925
with over 750 local businesses, regional businesses.

1612
01:29:50,945 --> 01:29:53,085
And we work a lot of what they call FAM tours,

1613
01:29:53,925 --> 01:29:54,965
familiarization tours,

1614
01:29:55,075 --> 01:29:57,605
driving earned media rather than paid media.

1615
01:29:58,085 --> 01:29:59,125
It's a big distinction there.

1616
01:29:59,125 --> 01:30:00,965
If you'd like to talk about that at the end, we can.

1617
01:30:01,545 --> 01:30:05,125
And then obviously the TLT revenues go back into public

1618
01:30:05,125 --> 01:30:07,005
safety parks and infrastructure.

1619
01:30:08,795 --> 01:30:11,445
According to the Oregon Tourism Commission, you can see that

1620
01:30:11,445 --> 01:30:13,965
for every $1 invested into tourism,

1621
01:30:14,145 --> 01:30:16,965
it generates $237 in revenue.

1622
01:30:17,585 --> 01:30:21,725
So as savvy business owners, it seems that

1623
01:30:22,785 --> 01:30:25,765
you know that that's a fire that you want to feed over time.

1624
01:30:27,995 --> 01:30:30,325
Just some details, some stats.

1625
01:30:30,365 --> 01:30:33,925
$172 million in annual visitor spending in

1626
01:30:33,925 --> 01:30:35,045
Josephine County alone.

1627
01:30:35,375 --> 01:30:39,605
Thank you so much. A couple thousand jobs supported

1628
01:30:39,625 --> 01:30:44,525
by tourism directly and tax revenue generated by tourism

1629
01:30:44,825 --> 01:30:45,845
and its activities.

1630
01:30:46,145 --> 01:30:49,565
Nearly 8 million lodging tax collected

1631
01:30:50,265 --> 01:30:51,605
in 2025.

1632
01:30:51,605 --> 01:30:54,325
Those were our latest numbers, couple million bucks.

1633
01:30:54,945 --> 01:30:57,405
And hotel occupancy is the highest since it's

1634
01:30:57,655 --> 01:30:59,245
since about the COVID era.

1635
01:30:59,805 --> 01:31:03,925
78.3% occupancy gains.

1636
01:31:03,925 --> 01:31:06,005
This is kind of fun, you know,

1637
01:31:06,005 --> 01:31:08,685
we're a little bit competitive with our friends, colleagues

1638
01:31:08,685 --> 01:31:11,765
and other GMOs across the state.

1639
01:31:11,905 --> 01:31:15,325
And then our area. And you can see that we have this change

1640
01:31:16,365 --> 01:31:21,285
Q1, Q2, Q3, our lodging tax revenue has been up

1641
01:31:21,425 --> 01:31:25,325
for seven four and rooms rented 14%.

1642
01:31:26,945 --> 01:31:28,605
And then when we get into campaigns,

1643
01:31:28,605 --> 01:31:30,205
this is our marketing campaigns.

1644
01:31:30,205 --> 01:31:33,205
This is just one as an anecdote, this is data fi.

1645
01:31:33,315 --> 01:31:35,285
It's a company that we work with that

1646
01:31:35,995 --> 01:31:37,765
does programmatic advertising.

1647
01:31:37,975 --> 01:31:39,525
We're buying ads all the time.

1648
01:31:40,065 --> 01:31:43,685
And just on this one campaign that we did,

1649
01:31:44,345 --> 01:31:48,765
we generated a, what they estimate to be a $9.8 million

1650
01:31:49,325 --> 01:31:52,445
financial impact, 6.5 million impressions delivered.

1651
01:31:52,785 --> 01:31:55,885
And according to the statistics, how they break

1652
01:31:55,885 --> 01:31:59,085
that down generated 30,000 estimated room nights

1653
01:32:02,855 --> 01:32:05,365
We're growing and we're really proud of the work

1654
01:32:05,365 --> 01:32:08,765
that we've done in the last year versus the rest

1655
01:32:09,345 --> 01:32:12,765
of the state, whether either flat or down.

1656
01:32:12,945 --> 01:32:16,285
Grants Pass is actually up this past year as we begin

1657
01:32:16,285 --> 01:32:19,085
to understand who we are and what we have to offer.

1658
01:32:19,265 --> 01:32:24,005
And as people come to understand what Grants Pass is not

1659
01:32:24,005 --> 01:32:28,125
what Grants Pass was or what Grants Pass has been.

1660
01:32:28,825 --> 01:32:31,525
And so what you're gonna see in these numbers as we move

1661
01:32:31,525 --> 01:32:35,165
through it is a new vigor, a new understanding

1662
01:32:35,545 --> 01:32:38,445
of the possibilities potential in Grants

1663
01:32:38,475 --> 01:32:39,725
Pass as a destination.

1664
01:32:42,725 --> 01:32:46,645
I always love it when you have a 10000% increase in a thing.

1665
01:32:48,105 --> 01:32:52,925
And so we have done a lot of work developing our

1666
01:32:53,455 --> 01:32:56,205
video content, all of our content frankly.

1667
01:32:56,825 --> 01:33:00,365
But we know that in today's day and age that video sells

1668
01:33:00,585 --> 01:33:02,885
and creates the quickest, most acute

1669
01:33:03,565 --> 01:33:06,125
concentrated storytelling that you can possibly offer

1670
01:33:06,705 --> 01:33:09,125
to the average viewer and consumer.

1671
01:33:09,185 --> 01:33:12,805
And so we're pre pleased to say that we have 10000%

1672
01:33:13,325 --> 01:33:14,845
increase in YouTube views.

1673
01:33:16,005 --> 01:33:17,245
I just looked at it this morning

1674
01:33:17,375 --> 01:33:21,605
where something on the order of a hundred thousand minutes

1675
01:33:22,065 --> 01:33:24,725
of our video content watched since January,

1676
01:33:26,265 --> 01:33:28,205
we have more videos watched.

1677
01:33:28,305 --> 01:33:31,565
We have more subscribers on YouTube than virtually every

1678
01:33:31,565 --> 01:33:34,485
other DMO in the state

1679
01:33:35,115 --> 01:33:36,645
outside of Portland.

1680
01:33:37,385 --> 01:33:39,205
So we're pretty pleased with

1681
01:33:39,205 --> 01:33:41,285
how we're drawing attention in that way.

1682
01:33:42,275 --> 01:33:45,525
Impressions, again, 10 million conversions.

1683
01:33:45,665 --> 01:33:47,445
That's just having them take an action

1684
01:33:47,545 --> 01:33:48,565
in case you don't know.

1685
01:33:48,865 --> 01:33:53,805
And the average cost per click only 67% to drive them to

1686
01:33:54,315 --> 01:33:57,205
further explore what Grants Pass has to offer.

1687
01:33:57,705 --> 01:33:58,925
And you can see the industry average

1688
01:33:58,925 --> 01:34:00,005
there is over two bucks.

1689
01:34:00,705 --> 01:34:03,845
So we're, we feel like we're finding the right audience

1690
01:34:03,845 --> 01:34:06,005
with the right interests to drive that attention.

1691
01:34:07,665 --> 01:34:12,325
Ad reach on Facebook, nearly 5 million with a,

1692
01:34:12,455 --> 01:34:14,885
again, a result, 23%, 23 cents.

1693
01:34:15,485 --> 01:34:17,205
Well below the industry average.

1694
01:34:17,585 --> 01:34:21,885
We spent a lot of time on Facebook, YouTube, again,

1695
01:34:22,105 --> 01:34:25,365
new subscribers, 10,000 nearly minutes watched,

1696
01:34:26,225 --> 01:34:29,045
219,000 y beer,

1697
01:34:31,375 --> 01:34:34,005
Small market, big results.

1698
01:34:34,445 --> 01:34:37,045
SEO search engine optimization.

1699
01:34:37,045 --> 01:34:40,645
What we're trying to do is get organic interest

1700
01:34:40,665 --> 01:34:42,925
or organic engagement so that we're not paying

1701
01:34:42,985 --> 01:34:44,525
for everything, but over time we're

1702
01:34:44,525 --> 01:34:45,765
growing our base audience.

1703
01:34:45,825 --> 01:34:50,685
So you can see that we are fifth in the keyword brand

1704
01:34:50,885 --> 01:34:53,645
position for Google search results, which means that

1705
01:34:53,645 --> 01:34:57,005
behind the Expedias, the TripAdvisors

1706
01:34:57,085 --> 01:35:00,285
that you always see at the top of the returns visit,

1707
01:35:00,285 --> 01:35:03,525
grants Pass is right up there with

1708
01:35:04,065 --> 01:35:07,405
229,000 hits at the fifth position.

1709
01:35:07,885 --> 01:35:10,445
There's an old adage that says the best place

1710
01:35:10,545 --> 01:35:14,285
to hide a dead body is on the second page of Google.

1711
01:35:14,905 --> 01:35:19,445
And so we work a lot to get in that

1712
01:35:19,455 --> 01:35:22,365
above the fold top five search returns.

1713
01:35:24,005 --> 01:35:26,645
We have an email subscriber base of 2,600

1714
01:35:27,385 --> 01:35:29,685
and we work on monthly emails as well.

1715
01:35:31,255 --> 01:35:35,085
Again, proud to say that we're per capita,

1716
01:35:35,095 --> 01:35:36,605
we're the number one Facebook page for

1717
01:35:36,605 --> 01:35:38,845
of all DMO in the state, meaning

1718
01:35:38,845 --> 01:35:42,125
that we can reach the largest possible audience in the state

1719
01:35:42,985 --> 01:35:44,285
via organic and paid.

1720
01:35:46,655 --> 01:35:49,365
We're second place right behind Travel Portland for

1721
01:35:50,065 --> 01:35:51,485
growth in video views.

1722
01:35:51,665 --> 01:35:55,285
So you can see that there per capita third place

1723
01:35:55,515 --> 01:36:00,165
between Bend and Portland for Instagram reach.

1724
01:36:01,345 --> 01:36:03,285
And these are some of our strategic partners

1725
01:36:03,285 --> 01:36:05,245
that we work day in and day out with.

1726
01:36:05,345 --> 01:36:08,485
We do not operate in a vacuum, but rather we require

1727
01:36:08,705 --> 01:36:11,085
and are grateful for the support that all

1728
01:36:11,285 --> 01:36:12,965
of these organizations offer us.

1729
01:36:12,965 --> 01:36:15,485
Travel Oregon, travel Southern Oregon in particular,

1730
01:36:15,745 --> 01:36:18,925
and Travel Medford have been amazing partners.

1731
01:36:20,065 --> 01:36:22,645
And the ORR as well.

1732
01:36:23,305 --> 01:36:24,645
I'm really pleased with all of these guys.

1733
01:36:25,875 --> 01:36:27,525
Some of the local businesses that we work with.

1734
01:36:27,625 --> 01:36:29,085
I'm gonna fly through these because we work

1735
01:36:29,085 --> 01:36:30,165
with virtually everyone.

1736
01:36:30,615 --> 01:36:34,405
We're in some state or another of pre-production, production

1737
01:36:34,405 --> 01:36:39,045
or post-production with almost everyone in town.

1738
01:36:39,225 --> 01:36:42,245
And we can just rifle through all of these

1739
01:36:44,085 --> 01:36:46,485
companies, other local events.

1740
01:36:46,905 --> 01:36:50,405
We are behind most of the local events,

1741
01:36:50,545 --> 01:36:52,365
if not close to all of them.

1742
01:36:52,705 --> 01:36:55,525
One of the challenges that Visit Grant Pass has,

1743
01:36:55,525 --> 01:36:57,005
and I've been able to express this

1744
01:36:57,005 --> 01:37:00,165
to a few counselors over the last few weeks, is that

1745
01:37:00,165 --> 01:37:01,685
because all of our work is intended

1746
01:37:01,745 --> 01:37:05,845
and actually by mandate to operate outside

1747
01:37:05,845 --> 01:37:10,725
of the 50 mile radius, a lot of locals don't know

1748
01:37:10,725 --> 01:37:13,325
what we do or are even not aware of what we do.

1749
01:37:13,785 --> 01:37:15,325
And so we have some work in front of us

1750
01:37:15,325 --> 01:37:17,605
because we have some internal marketing

1751
01:37:17,675 --> 01:37:19,405
that we should probably take care of so

1752
01:37:19,405 --> 01:37:21,885
that there's a better understanding of the work in front

1753
01:37:21,885 --> 01:37:23,725
of us, the opportunities that we have

1754
01:37:24,185 --> 01:37:26,925
and how we support everyone else.

1755
01:37:28,335 --> 01:37:31,325
Again, more local organizations that we've done work with

1756
01:37:31,345 --> 01:37:32,885
or for or on behalf of.

1757
01:37:34,665 --> 01:37:38,245
And strategic partnerships. So we work with a lot of media.

1758
01:37:38,565 --> 01:37:40,765
I think there's a common misconception, maybe not common,

1759
01:37:40,765 --> 01:37:44,685
but a misconception that we focus exclusively online.

1760
01:37:44,745 --> 01:37:46,325
We only do digital, it's not true.

1761
01:37:46,345 --> 01:37:49,845
We work with dozens or scores of print publications

1762
01:37:51,305 --> 01:37:54,445
and we get a lot of print placements throughout the country

1763
01:37:54,985 --> 01:37:56,765
and certainly in the Pacific Northwest.

1764
01:37:58,865 --> 01:38:03,565
So FAM tours, that's when we bring in media influencers,

1765
01:38:03,805 --> 01:38:08,645
bloggers, writers, any number of media folks,

1766
01:38:08,915 --> 01:38:11,405
they come and experience our area

1767
01:38:12,105 --> 01:38:15,085
and we host them, we take them around, we show them

1768
01:38:15,085 --> 01:38:17,125
what we have to offer and then they go back

1769
01:38:17,585 --> 01:38:20,325
and they tell those stories in whatever blog

1770
01:38:20,345 --> 01:38:22,885
or print publication that they may be associated with.

1771
01:38:23,825 --> 01:38:25,965
And these things can go wildly viral.

1772
01:38:26,175 --> 01:38:28,725
Don't know if you saw Tina Kotek picked up one

1773
01:38:28,725 --> 01:38:31,365
of our stories and she shared it out on her social media.

1774
01:38:31,865 --> 01:38:33,205
And we had probably one

1775
01:38:33,205 --> 01:38:35,365
of our most viral posts just in this past couple of months.

1776
01:38:35,925 --> 01:38:38,245
Travel Oregon reached out to us on Friday

1777
01:38:38,345 --> 01:38:40,765
and said, Hey, we love the content that you're producing.

1778
01:38:41,225 --> 01:38:42,525
Can we use some of it? Which

1779
01:38:42,525 --> 01:38:44,005
of course they were permitted to do.

1780
01:38:45,095 --> 01:38:48,725
We're producing thousands of pieces of content every year.

1781
01:38:49,145 --> 01:38:52,725
And the quality of the content I'm quite proud of with all

1782
01:38:52,725 --> 01:38:54,365
of our, our vendors and co-creators.

1783
01:38:55,945 --> 01:38:58,445
Here's some of the placements we put in Conde Nest,

1784
01:38:58,965 --> 01:39:00,605
which you've probably heard of,

1785
01:39:01,695 --> 01:39:03,085
we're really proud of this one.

1786
01:39:03,155 --> 01:39:05,765
This was super cool to be featured in Food

1787
01:39:05,765 --> 01:39:06,925
and Travel with Gordon

1788
01:39:07,345 --> 01:39:10,645
and that got a lot of reach as a national publication.

1789
01:39:11,715 --> 01:39:14,925
Northwest Travel in Life we're featured there.

1790
01:39:16,585 --> 01:39:18,125
Sit Magazine, Oregon Wine,

1791
01:39:18,195 --> 01:39:20,165
obviously wine's a big deal in the area

1792
01:39:20,545 --> 01:39:22,845
and there is no shortage

1793
01:39:23,025 --> 01:39:25,805
of people interested in talking about wine.

1794
01:39:27,185 --> 01:39:30,765
And then taste and travel more regional partners travel

1795
01:39:31,005 --> 01:39:34,245
Southern Oregon Regional features Travel Oregon.

1796
01:39:34,315 --> 01:39:36,565
This is more print placements that we did.

1797
01:39:36,905 --> 01:39:40,285
The Chamber, of course, we do a lot of stuff

1798
01:39:40,285 --> 01:39:41,365
that goes under the radar.

1799
01:39:42,185 --> 01:39:45,925
Big props to, to Griffin back here, who

1800
01:39:46,525 --> 01:39:50,325
Under the Radar does so many design layout pieces

1801
01:39:50,625 --> 01:39:52,005
for just about everyone

1802
01:39:52,235 --> 01:39:56,325
that needs something from the chamber to the city to,

1803
01:39:57,705 --> 01:39:59,805
oh gosh, the list goes on and on Main Street.

1804
01:40:00,345 --> 01:40:02,925
And he's, he's really keeps the, the whole thing together.

1805
01:40:03,065 --> 01:40:04,245
So thanks Griffin.

1806
01:40:06,865 --> 01:40:09,525
Our own media and collateral, we've been developing a lot

1807
01:40:09,525 --> 01:40:12,565
of print work, itineraries, maps,

1808
01:40:13,265 --> 01:40:17,245
so if you've seen a map of anything to do from art to food

1809
01:40:17,425 --> 01:40:21,045
to boutique shopping, that's us.

1810
01:40:22,445 --> 01:40:25,045
We're working hand in glove with Hellgate.

1811
01:40:25,505 --> 01:40:28,285
As you can see our newest placement at the airport.

1812
01:40:29,105 --> 01:40:31,485
We have placements at the Brookings Visitor Center

1813
01:40:31,545 --> 01:40:33,045
and others, maybe some

1814
01:40:33,045 --> 01:40:35,445
of you guys have bumped into our video series

1815
01:40:35,465 --> 01:40:39,045
around Food Saver Grand's Pass, the Boutiques Shop,

1816
01:40:39,045 --> 01:40:42,125
grants Pass, and then Dollar Mountain,

1817
01:40:42,215 --> 01:40:44,725
which has been a big boon for the area

1818
01:40:44,905 --> 01:40:46,805
and I couldn't be more excited about that.

1819
01:40:47,195 --> 01:40:49,125
That is a billion dollar travel industry.

1820
01:40:49,545 --> 01:40:52,245
It will bring countless opportunities to us

1821
01:40:52,245 --> 01:40:53,645
and we've just gotten started with

1822
01:40:53,645 --> 01:40:55,125
that in the past six months.

1823
01:40:55,185 --> 01:40:57,085
So that one will be awesome.

1824
01:40:58,145 --> 01:40:59,845
And then newest for us,

1825
01:41:00,655 --> 01:41:03,045
we've covered Hellgate, they're a great partner.

1826
01:41:03,255 --> 01:41:06,645
We're about to do some content with Orange Torpedo.

1827
01:41:06,645 --> 01:41:08,845
They do white water and they do fishing.

1828
01:41:09,425 --> 01:41:11,965
And we are also in pre-production with

1829
01:41:12,945 --> 01:41:17,405
the experience out in Roche that is pair lighting.

1830
01:41:17,665 --> 01:41:20,885
And so we'll be highlighting outdoor adventure sports

1831
01:41:21,105 --> 01:41:23,565
as a thing that people can use

1832
01:41:23,625 --> 01:41:26,165
as a destination here after dark.

1833
01:41:26,165 --> 01:41:28,565
We're also gonna talk about to some of the young people,

1834
01:41:28,745 --> 01:41:32,165
Hey, you know what, it's not just a a sleepy town.

1835
01:41:32,625 --> 01:41:36,285
We have a lot to do by way of music and nightlife

1836
01:41:36,665 --> 01:41:39,285
and so please come out and enjoy those things.

1837
01:41:41,805 --> 01:41:43,125
I would be remiss if I didn't bring up some

1838
01:41:43,125 --> 01:41:44,485
of the challenges that we're gonna face this year.

1839
01:41:44,505 --> 01:41:46,405
You're probably apprised of some of these things.

1840
01:41:47,145 --> 01:41:50,085
1 99 starting next month gonna be shut down part-time,

1841
01:41:50,565 --> 01:41:52,885
Tuesday through Thursday, 10 to four.

1842
01:41:52,915 --> 01:41:57,445
It's a big deal. And yeah, my, my knee jerk was to be really

1843
01:41:58,315 --> 01:42:01,045
fearful of this as the way it could impact us,

1844
01:42:01,525 --> 01:42:04,045
but it does give us the opportunity to take the reins

1845
01:42:04,185 --> 01:42:05,445
and build the narrative.

1846
01:42:05,535 --> 01:42:07,245
We're gonna have captive audiences.

1847
01:42:07,245 --> 01:42:10,205
And how do you take those audiences that are stuck in CJ

1848
01:42:10,205 --> 01:42:12,645
or want to hang out in Grants Pass?

1849
01:42:12,825 --> 01:42:15,125
How do you use that to benefit the businesses

1850
01:42:15,705 --> 01:42:18,285
in our areas when they won't be able to pass through

1851
01:42:18,505 --> 01:42:19,885
during those days and times?

1852
01:42:20,705 --> 01:42:24,405
Low water levels are predicted, which will hurt

1853
01:42:25,395 --> 01:42:29,405
certainly some of our river recreation, if that does come

1854
01:42:29,405 --> 01:42:33,645
to fruition, we're hopeful that things will get righted,

1855
01:42:34,105 --> 01:42:36,285
but we have to make plans for

1856
01:42:36,285 --> 01:42:38,045
that in the upcoming fire season.

1857
01:42:39,045 --> 01:42:43,005
I met with the Forest Service folks last week

1858
01:42:43,505 --> 01:42:45,965
and we were advised that there's a fair potential

1859
01:42:45,965 --> 01:42:49,445
that we could shut down public lands later this year in the

1860
01:42:49,445 --> 01:42:53,205
same way that California does if it stays this bad.

1861
01:42:53,545 --> 01:42:56,765
So we have to make plans, we have to take control of

1862
01:42:56,765 --> 01:42:59,205
what we want to message and make sure that people understand

1863
01:42:59,205 --> 01:43:01,525
that there's still a great opportunity to come

1864
01:43:01,545 --> 01:43:04,725
and visit Grants Pass, spend their time, spend their money,

1865
01:43:04,955 --> 01:43:08,525
support our businesses and have a great time.

1866
01:43:11,785 --> 01:43:14,005
You guys have this in front of you so I don't need

1867
01:43:14,005 --> 01:43:15,085
to read it all out.

1868
01:43:15,105 --> 01:43:18,045
But you know, as look at that Colorado warning, when

1869
01:43:20,115 --> 01:43:21,445
when we stop funding tourism

1870
01:43:21,945 --> 01:43:23,565
and we stop marketing it,

1871
01:43:23,585 --> 01:43:25,645
it really is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

1872
01:43:25,865 --> 01:43:28,205
And so I wanna make sure that everyone understands

1873
01:43:28,205 --> 01:43:31,805
that our small businesses around the city

1874
01:43:31,825 --> 01:43:35,245
and the county, they just can't get by the the

1875
01:43:35,245 --> 01:43:39,205
through the year solely on our local supporting them.

1876
01:43:39,205 --> 01:43:41,445
They absolutely require visitors.

1877
01:43:41,945 --> 01:43:45,605
And I would suggest that we need to dictate

1878
01:43:45,745 --> 01:43:46,885
who those visitors are.

1879
01:43:46,885 --> 01:43:49,445
We can leave that to the devices and the whims fate,

1880
01:43:49,905 --> 01:43:53,485
or we can create together the desired outcome

1881
01:43:53,505 --> 01:43:54,765
and say, Hey, these are the people

1882
01:43:54,765 --> 01:43:57,205
that share our community values that we'd like to come

1883
01:43:57,665 --> 01:43:59,725
and hang out with us, that we want to have here

1884
01:43:59,795 --> 01:44:02,525
that Terry might want to develop into businesses

1885
01:44:02,525 --> 01:44:05,525
and future homeowners, for example, rather than just waiting

1886
01:44:05,525 --> 01:44:07,925
for whomever shows up to show up,

1887
01:44:09,905 --> 01:44:12,285
review stuff.

1888
01:44:13,755 --> 01:44:17,845
Lots. And then I think I have one more. There we go.

1889
01:44:18,625 --> 01:44:20,845
You know, we wanted to reinforce some of these messaging

1890
01:44:20,845 --> 01:44:23,925
that you've heard already about the division of function

1891
01:44:24,025 --> 01:44:26,525
and task and how those overlap and how they do not,

1892
01:44:27,125 --> 01:44:30,005
and how we augment and supplement and work together.

1893
01:44:30,465 --> 01:44:33,245
And you can see in this little graph that we threw together,

1894
01:44:33,435 --> 01:44:38,125
this illustration vis Grand's Pass operates outside all

1895
01:44:38,125 --> 01:44:39,525
of those concentric rings

1896
01:44:39,875 --> 01:44:42,165
with Main Street being the.in the middle,

1897
01:44:42,665 --> 01:44:44,365
and then the city gets a little bit bigger

1898
01:44:44,905 --> 01:44:46,765
and then the Chamber gets a little bit bigger

1899
01:44:46,865 --> 01:44:47,885
to embrace the county.

1900
01:44:48,225 --> 01:44:49,725
And then we're outside of all

1901
01:44:49,725 --> 01:44:52,125
that helping support their efforts.

1902
01:44:52,865 --> 01:44:55,565
And with that, I would love

1903
01:44:55,565 --> 01:44:57,165
to field any questions you may have.

1904
01:44:58,295 --> 01:45:01,605
Thank you, Dan. So we're gonna go

1905
01:45:02,065 --> 01:45:05,205
Rob questions.

1906
01:45:06,385 --> 01:45:07,805
Thanks Dan. Thanks Rob.

1907
01:45:07,805 --> 01:45:12,605
Yeah, so you and I, you and I spoke I think last week

1908
01:45:12,625 --> 01:45:14,805
or two weeks ago and was, it was a good,

1909
01:45:14,805 --> 01:45:16,045
good conversation, I believe.

1910
01:45:17,115 --> 01:45:18,605
Just a little more clarification.

1911
01:45:18,705 --> 01:45:22,725
So you, you, part of your presentation, you said that

1912
01:45:23,625 --> 01:45:26,525
you work with 750 local

1913
01:45:26,845 --> 01:45:28,965
businesses, et cetera.

1914
01:45:29,105 --> 01:45:30,445
How, how do you define working

1915
01:45:30,475 --> 01:45:32,325
with local businesses? What does that mean? It

1916
01:45:32,325 --> 01:45:33,925
Takes so many different shapes

1917
01:45:33,925 --> 01:45:35,125
and form for, like, for,

1918
01:45:35,305 --> 01:45:37,645
for some we're just doing a, a simple layout.

1919
01:45:38,315 --> 01:45:41,205
They, perhaps they need a flyer or a map

1920
01:45:41,465 --> 01:45:43,005
or some sort of advertisement.

1921
01:45:43,595 --> 01:45:45,885
Some were actually running full campaigns

1922
01:45:45,885 --> 01:45:49,285
for one example is Wildlife images reached out to us

1923
01:45:49,285 --> 01:45:50,845
and say, Hey, we have our gala

1924
01:45:51,665 --> 01:45:54,205
and we're not experts in running

1925
01:45:54,765 --> 01:45:56,125
Facebook campaigns, for example.

1926
01:45:56,425 --> 01:45:58,245
And so we did that on their behalf.

1927
01:45:58,545 --> 01:46:00,085
The Rotary reached out to us

1928
01:46:00,225 --> 01:46:03,245
and said, Hey, can you help support our advertising

1929
01:46:03,245 --> 01:46:05,085
and marketing for Porch Fest?

1930
01:46:05,385 --> 01:46:08,765
So we did that and in other times it's just simple

1931
01:46:08,895 --> 01:46:10,085
consulting and advisement.

1932
01:46:10,085 --> 01:46:11,285
It doesn't develop beyond that.

1933
01:46:12,075 --> 01:46:16,325
Okay. So basically businesses would reach out to you.

1934
01:46:17,625 --> 01:46:19,205
It goes both ways though. We reach out

1935
01:46:19,325 --> 01:46:21,845
to businesses based on what we think will drive

1936
01:46:22,735 --> 01:46:24,285
broad interest to the community.

1937
01:46:24,385 --> 01:46:25,965
So we have reached out to plenty

1938
01:46:25,985 --> 01:46:27,005
of business owners ourselves

1939
01:46:27,025 --> 01:46:28,645
and say, Hey, we'd love to highlight you

1940
01:46:28,665 --> 01:46:30,365
or bring attention to the work that you're doing.

1941
01:46:30,365 --> 01:46:32,525
Hellgate iss a great ex example of that.

1942
01:46:32,795 --> 01:46:34,685
Yeah, I guess we talked a little bit about that

1943
01:46:35,305 --> 01:46:39,005
and then when you had a page about Every metric is up

1944
01:46:39,425 --> 01:46:42,045
and you mentioned the first three quarters of last year,

1945
01:46:42,825 --> 01:46:46,325
but we're what, three or four months into 26,

1946
01:46:46,345 --> 01:46:48,165
but you don't mention the fourth quarter last year. What

1947
01:46:48,315 --> 01:46:50,630
Dean the Yeah, the, the dean run in report's not out yet.

1948
01:46:50,630 --> 01:46:51,910
It'll be out later this month.

1949
01:46:51,910 --> 01:46:54,805
We're waiting for that to have a full year picture. Okay,

1950
01:46:55,135 --> 01:46:56,135
Thank you.

1951
01:46:58,985 --> 01:47:00,405
And when you say that

1952
01:47:00,905 --> 01:47:04,805
or you present strategic partnerships with local businesses,

1953
01:47:05,355 --> 01:47:06,965
what, what exactly does that mean?

1954
01:47:09,185 --> 01:47:11,365
So for example, I'll, I'll point to Hellgate again.

1955
01:47:12,555 --> 01:47:15,605
They were very interested in working with us

1956
01:47:15,665 --> 01:47:17,565
for the Air airport placement.

1957
01:47:19,155 --> 01:47:20,805
It's cost prohibitive

1958
01:47:21,305 --> 01:47:24,005
to have their own installment, the advertisement there.

1959
01:47:24,425 --> 01:47:27,445
And so we've developed a plan to work with them

1960
01:47:27,505 --> 01:47:28,605
to share the burden

1961
01:47:29,205 --> 01:47:32,005
and highlight one of the great attractions of our area

1962
01:47:32,585 --> 01:47:35,725
and have joint creative with them.

1963
01:47:36,435 --> 01:47:38,365
Also, they've developed a media night

1964
01:47:38,395 --> 01:47:40,285
that we're heavily involved in that will bring,

1965
01:47:40,955 --> 01:47:42,445
they're hopeful between a hundred

1966
01:47:42,465 --> 01:47:46,125
and 150 media people to experience the region.

1967
01:47:46,345 --> 01:47:50,285
And so we're, we're co partners in that.

1968
01:47:50,535 --> 01:47:53,725
We're working with Cycle Oregon, we're intimately involved.

1969
01:47:54,335 --> 01:47:58,485
We're the local on the ground organization to develop that.

1970
01:47:58,705 --> 01:48:01,045
We wrote the proposal and are side by side

1971
01:48:01,045 --> 01:48:03,405
with BMX nationals to have that event

1972
01:48:04,105 --> 01:48:05,365
and and so on and so forth.

1973
01:48:05,905 --> 01:48:10,325
So I, it's, I understand strategic partnership with,

1974
01:48:10,735 --> 01:48:12,405
we'll say a large, a large draw.

1975
01:48:12,425 --> 01:48:15,725
You mentioned a couple of them on this page.

1976
01:48:15,725 --> 01:48:18,165
You've got some that are literally a two

1977
01:48:18,165 --> 01:48:19,565
or three, three person operation.

1978
01:48:20,755 --> 01:48:22,365
What does strategic partnership look

1979
01:48:22,365 --> 01:48:23,485
like with a tiny little business?

1980
01:48:23,665 --> 01:48:26,525
Can you, can you like gimme something specific please?

1981
01:48:27,255 --> 01:48:29,885
Let's see, Carson's would be one, which

1982
01:48:30,985 --> 01:48:32,405
I'm a really good Carson's customer,

1983
01:48:32,585 --> 01:48:35,805
but I'm just wondering, they obviously don't have the, the,

1984
01:48:36,185 --> 01:48:38,325
the benefit to you that Hellgate would have.

1985
01:48:38,755 --> 01:48:40,565
Sure. So what would strategic partnership look like?

1986
01:48:41,365 --> 01:48:42,725
So in that instance, we'd just be talking

1987
01:48:42,725 --> 01:48:43,885
about advertising.

1988
01:48:43,885 --> 01:48:48,845
Frankly. We have a, a huge opportunity locally

1989
01:48:49,315 --> 01:48:52,565
with food and beverage being a top three economic driver

1990
01:48:52,745 --> 01:48:54,245
for tourism specifically.

1991
01:48:54,945 --> 01:48:58,205
And what we've also not done a good job

1992
01:48:58,445 --> 01:49:01,365
of is letting folks know when we've worked on their behalf.

1993
01:49:01,385 --> 01:49:02,765
We create content on their behalf.

1994
01:49:02,765 --> 01:49:03,885
Sometimes they don't even know.

1995
01:49:05,465 --> 01:49:07,525
So perhaps strategic partnership

1996
01:49:08,175 --> 01:49:10,645
would not be the appropriate term there,

1997
01:49:11,185 --> 01:49:13,205
but certainly advertisement

1998
01:49:15,905 --> 01:49:16,905
Tha Thank you.

1999
01:49:16,905 --> 01:49:17,725
Thanks for the clarification.

2000
01:49:18,395 --> 01:49:19,445
Further question trick.

2001
01:49:20,295 --> 01:49:22,685
Thank you Dan. Thank you for a coffee chat on Friday.

2002
01:49:23,145 --> 01:49:27,085
Thanks. Also, the question I have on hotel occupancy

2003
01:49:27,145 --> 01:49:28,205
of 78%,

2004
01:49:29,305 --> 01:49:32,525
the perception I get just from this economy when I drive

2005
01:49:32,525 --> 01:49:36,525
around so forth is that the local hotels are struggling

2006
01:49:36,525 --> 01:49:37,565
to be at 50%.

2007
01:49:37,625 --> 01:49:40,085
The national chains are probably running a hundred percent.

2008
01:49:40,825 --> 01:49:43,685
So if, what, what are you actually finding?

2009
01:49:43,685 --> 01:49:46,325
Because 78% looks really healthy.

2010
01:49:47,185 --> 01:49:48,765
It is, and those are the numbers that we were

2011
01:49:48,925 --> 01:49:50,845
provided by our, our data aggregators.

2012
01:49:51,085 --> 01:49:52,965
I mean, I, I could point to our hotelier,

2013
01:49:53,815 --> 01:49:54,845
let's sitting right back here

2014
01:49:55,265 --> 01:49:57,925
and he'd probably able to give you more accurate

2015
01:49:58,065 --> 01:49:59,805
or more detailed information.

2016
01:50:00,425 --> 01:50:03,325
But everything that we know based on the numbers

2017
01:50:03,325 --> 01:50:05,845
that we've been provided is that in Grants Pass,

2018
01:50:06,295 --> 01:50:07,885
hotel occupancy is up

2019
01:50:08,325 --> 01:50:10,845
for the first time in several years. Okay, thank you.

2020
01:50:11,435 --> 01:50:12,805
Further questions I got Eric,

2021
01:50:13,975 --> 01:50:15,245
Thank you for the presentation.

2022
01:50:17,125 --> 01:50:18,685
I know it says ROI that speaks

2023
01:50:18,745 --> 01:50:23,125
for itself there on slide 7, 237 to $1.

2024
01:50:24,105 --> 01:50:27,605
Can you explain exactly how you come up with that?

2025
01:50:27,915 --> 01:50:30,365
That ROI, those are the numbers

2026
01:50:30,365 --> 01:50:31,485
that are provided by the state.

2027
01:50:32,265 --> 01:50:35,405
So across the state, on average for every $1

2028
01:50:35,925 --> 01:50:39,365
invested in advertising, a municipality can expect to

2029
01:50:39,875 --> 01:50:43,365
receive $237 in economic

2030
01:50:44,525 --> 01:50:48,165
fluidity, liquidity, dollars moving around the community.

2031
01:50:49,695 --> 01:50:51,285
Thank you. Yes sir. Further

2032
01:50:51,525 --> 01:50:55,325
Questions, Victoria, Is there a way in the future

2033
01:50:55,585 --> 01:51:00,245
to dial that down to a community level?

2034
01:51:00,985 --> 01:51:03,445
Is there any way to aggregate those numbers out

2035
01:51:03,585 --> 01:51:06,925
to even regional hope, hopefully county wise

2036
01:51:07,095 --> 01:51:09,565
There, there are and they're very expensive.

2037
01:51:09,905 --> 01:51:12,885
Oh. And so we pay for some of those things,

2038
01:51:14,105 --> 01:51:16,165
but it, it's in the tens of thousands of dollars

2039
01:51:17,065 --> 01:51:18,205
to invest in those.

2040
01:51:18,545 --> 01:51:21,405
We have some partners and I think the city may be one

2041
01:51:21,405 --> 01:51:23,685
of 'em now where we'll be able to share data.

2042
01:51:23,985 --> 01:51:27,405
We have some software as a service that we use

2043
01:51:27,405 --> 01:51:30,405
and I think the city has acquired another bit of that.

2044
01:51:30,785 --> 01:51:32,725
So, and I think the Chamber may even have their own.

2045
01:51:32,745 --> 01:51:35,125
So we'll be able to share that data across all

2046
01:51:35,125 --> 01:51:38,005
of our efforts and get a super granular look.

2047
01:51:38,425 --> 01:51:43,245
So like right down to the, the block and, and the date

2048
01:51:43,465 --> 01:51:45,885
and the demographic by triangulating all

2049
01:51:45,885 --> 01:51:49,005
of those various sources of data, it's really creepy

2050
01:51:49,525 --> 01:51:52,445
because you know, you're doing cell phone pings, you're,

2051
01:51:52,665 --> 01:51:55,085
you're looking at credit card swipes.

2052
01:51:55,275 --> 01:51:57,765
It's all the most awful stuff of marketing,

2053
01:51:57,825 --> 01:51:59,645
but also the most necessary.

2054
01:52:00,825 --> 01:52:04,405
So we should by, I mean for art along the road for example,

2055
01:52:04,865 --> 01:52:06,485
we should be able to tell you exactly

2056
01:52:06,655 --> 01:52:09,285
where everybody came from, how much money they make,

2057
01:52:09,755 --> 01:52:11,725
what they were doing there, how much time they spent there,

2058
01:52:11,725 --> 01:52:13,485
where they spent their money around town.

2059
01:52:14,955 --> 01:52:16,325
It's gonna get real gross,

2060
01:52:16,585 --> 01:52:18,485
but we'll be able to provide it for the benefit

2061
01:52:18,745 --> 01:52:21,445
of the community between all of the agencies

2062
01:52:22,075 --> 01:52:24,605
That that's Well that's really great to hear.

2063
01:52:24,705 --> 01:52:26,765
So, correct.

2064
01:52:28,475 --> 01:52:29,765
Tell me if I'm on the right track here.

2065
01:52:29,765 --> 01:52:32,965
So you guys are all going to do like cost sharing

2066
01:52:33,185 --> 01:52:36,965
or resource sharing to get down to that granular level?

2067
01:52:37,345 --> 01:52:39,005
Or is it just, you know,

2068
01:52:39,005 --> 01:52:41,005
you guys cooperate pretty well together? Just

2069
01:52:41,005 --> 01:52:42,005
Information sharing?

2070
01:52:42,005 --> 01:52:43,605
We work day to every day. We're working together.

2071
01:52:43,725 --> 01:52:47,125
I work with Terry and Dana every single day and, and Dan.

2072
01:52:47,825 --> 01:52:50,605
So with everyone's tools

2073
01:52:50,705 --> 01:52:53,125
and resources, we're happy to work together

2074
01:52:53,145 --> 01:52:54,645
and share those so that everyone wins.

2075
01:52:55,385 --> 01:52:57,605
Oh, that, that sounds great.

2076
01:52:57,845 --> 01:52:59,645
I would, I really, it's look forward to seeing that

2077
01:52:59,665 --> 01:53:01,685
and that kind of, and then I have one more question

2078
01:53:01,755 --> 01:53:05,885
that kind of leads into this previous question.

2079
01:53:06,345 --> 01:53:08,445
The previous question kinda leads into this. Sure.

2080
01:53:08,605 --> 01:53:10,925
I loved on slide 45,

2081
01:53:13,445 --> 01:53:17,645
I love that you did this graphic that shows

2082
01:53:18,055 --> 01:53:20,165
where everybody is, who's presenting today.

2083
01:53:20,585 --> 01:53:22,765
And I think that's so helpful.

2084
01:53:23,585 --> 01:53:26,605
And do you plan to, I know you can't speak

2085
01:53:26,605 --> 01:53:28,405
for everyone else, but do you guys plan

2086
01:53:28,405 --> 01:53:30,125
to do more coordination

2087
01:53:30,385 --> 01:53:33,165
or at least getting together to see, you know,

2088
01:53:33,425 --> 01:53:37,085
how you guys might be overlapping or Yeah, where

2089
01:53:37,785 --> 01:53:38,805
and where you don't need to

2090
01:53:39,385 --> 01:53:40,485
If not daily.

2091
01:53:40,795 --> 01:53:43,885
Certainly weekly, the chamber,

2092
01:53:44,865 --> 01:53:48,325
the city's economic development department, main Street

2093
01:53:48,585 --> 01:53:51,725
and visit grant Pass are working together and coordinating.

2094
01:53:52,705 --> 01:53:54,405
No one's doing anything in a vacuum.

2095
01:53:54,855 --> 01:53:57,645
We're pretty well aware of that Venn diagram

2096
01:53:57,955 --> 01:53:59,725
that Terry talked about.

2097
01:54:00,065 --> 01:54:01,525
And one of the greatest concerns

2098
01:54:01,545 --> 01:54:05,325
and rightfully so is that that bin diagram is just a circle.

2099
01:54:05,675 --> 01:54:07,445
Everybody's just doing the same thing

2100
01:54:08,265 --> 01:54:10,045
and that's not where we're at.

2101
01:54:10,825 --> 01:54:13,365
We wanna make sure that we're carefully coordinating,

2102
01:54:13,535 --> 01:54:16,765
we're complimenting the work, we're amplifying its effects

2103
01:54:17,865 --> 01:54:19,965
rather than being duplicative.

2104
01:54:20,625 --> 01:54:22,525
So then lastly, that just made me think

2105
01:54:22,525 --> 01:54:23,645
of one last question then.

2106
01:54:24,315 --> 01:54:28,325
What do you think the, your coordination with all, all four

2107
01:54:28,325 --> 01:54:32,605
of you is going to translate into business?

2108
01:54:33,555 --> 01:54:34,685
This is a big question.

2109
01:54:35,565 --> 01:54:40,405
Business retention, business expansion, tourism expansion.

2110
01:54:40,635 --> 01:54:44,925
Yeah. If you kind of have an idea of

2111
01:54:44,925 --> 01:54:46,525
where it was just this last year.

2112
01:54:46,595 --> 01:54:50,005
Yeah. Where do you see it projected the force

2113
01:54:50,115 --> 01:54:51,685
with the force multiplier of all

2114
01:54:51,685 --> 01:54:53,325
of you guys working together? It's a

2115
01:54:53,385 --> 01:54:55,445
Really great question and one that Terry

2116
01:54:55,505 --> 01:54:57,845
and I actually give each other a bad time about.

2117
01:54:58,745 --> 01:55:02,365
As a long time resident of the city,

2118
01:55:03,445 --> 01:55:06,205
I have told him directly jokingly

2119
01:55:06,555 --> 01:55:09,645
that my effort is to bring people in,

2120
01:55:10,275 --> 01:55:13,565
have them spend their money and then go home.

2121
01:55:14,745 --> 01:55:16,845
And Terry is like, wait, hold up.

2122
01:55:17,625 --> 01:55:18,925
That's not always the case.

2123
01:55:19,425 --> 01:55:21,965
And so that's where it's important for us to work together

2124
01:55:22,385 --> 01:55:25,085
and find the right people and bring them into town

2125
01:55:25,785 --> 01:55:27,645
and have those folks say, Hey, you know what?

2126
01:55:28,125 --> 01:55:29,645
I would like to start my business here.

2127
01:55:30,365 --> 01:55:32,245
I would like to raise my family here.

2128
01:55:32,685 --> 01:55:34,405
I would like to have a home here.

2129
01:55:35,025 --> 01:55:38,645
And that's why I would, I will never work to,

2130
01:55:38,825 --> 01:55:40,445
on a shotgun approach just to bring

2131
01:55:40,445 --> 01:55:42,085
as many bodies as I can here.

2132
01:55:42,305 --> 01:55:44,565
That's not the goal, it's not the task.

2133
01:55:45,075 --> 01:55:47,285
It's to bring like-minded people, Val,

2134
01:55:47,295 --> 01:55:51,725
whose values are similar to grants passes broadly

2135
01:55:52,465 --> 01:55:54,685
and hopefully support all

2136
01:55:54,685 --> 01:55:56,365
of our businesses that already exist.

2137
01:55:56,775 --> 01:55:59,245
Maybe make a go of their own business,

2138
01:55:59,255 --> 01:56:00,645
maybe have their kids here.

2139
01:56:01,425 --> 01:56:04,045
And I, I think we would all be a win

2140
01:56:05,385 --> 01:56:06,525
to the specifics of that.

2141
01:56:06,625 --> 01:56:08,085
I'd say I'm not your guy.

2142
01:56:08,395 --> 01:56:11,805
Talk to Terry how that could look for

2143
01:56:11,945 --> 01:56:13,165
for business development.

2144
01:56:15,215 --> 01:56:16,445
Thank you. Yes ma'am.

2145
01:56:16,805 --> 01:56:18,045
Seth, any questions? All

2146
01:56:18,045 --> 01:56:19,085
right, thank you Joel, any questions?

2147
01:56:20,445 --> 01:56:22,165
I just need to know what I'm looking at here

2148
01:56:22,545 --> 01:56:24,965
and it may be a case of you providing too much detail.

2149
01:56:25,115 --> 01:56:29,565
Sure. We have a, a statement here of activity

2150
01:56:30,395 --> 01:56:32,725
from the Josephine County Visitors Association.

2151
01:56:32,725 --> 01:56:34,685
What is that relationship to visit Grants Pass?

2152
01:56:34,755 --> 01:56:37,205
Josephine County Visitors Association is the

2153
01:56:37,505 --> 01:56:38,805
formal organization.

2154
01:56:39,185 --> 01:56:41,005
The DBA is visit Grants Pass.

2155
01:56:41,105 --> 01:56:43,605
So that is our nonprofit profit loss.

2156
01:56:44,035 --> 01:56:45,965
Okay. So then when I look at it,

2157
01:56:47,185 --> 01:56:48,645
and I think I understand why,

2158
01:56:49,345 --> 01:56:53,645
but the total operating revenue is a minus $154,000,

2159
01:56:54,425 --> 01:56:58,085
but it's a for the period July 1st through April 9th.

2160
01:57:00,665 --> 01:57:05,165
So you must get quarterly payments from the Yes sir.

2161
01:57:06,115 --> 01:57:10,645
Okay. And then the expenses that you have listed here,

2162
01:57:10,645 --> 01:57:13,685
are they for the full year or are for, they only for three

2163
01:57:13,685 --> 01:57:14,685
Quarters.

2164
01:57:14,685 --> 01:57:15,045
That's for the fiscal year to date.

2165
01:57:15,385 --> 01:57:17,045
Fiscal year to date, yes sir. So yes sir.

2166
01:57:17,045 --> 01:57:20,085
So you will have more payroll expenses, salaries,

2167
01:57:22,585 --> 01:57:25,925
the promotional items, are they, are they all covered

2168
01:57:26,505 --> 01:57:28,245
the marketing campaign, that kind of thing?

2169
01:57:28,425 --> 01:57:29,965
Yes sir. They're all, I'm I

2170
01:57:29,965 --> 01:57:31,485
that's just a one time bill I would guess

2171
01:57:32,025 --> 01:57:33,085
so the bottom line is,

2172
01:57:33,235 --> 01:57:35,165
without getting into the detail, yeah.

2173
01:57:35,395 --> 01:57:37,365
When I turn over to the last page

2174
01:57:38,785 --> 01:57:43,685
and the net revenue will be zero at the end

2175
01:57:43,685 --> 01:57:45,525
of the year, it'll zero or maybe a carryover.

2176
01:57:45,675 --> 01:57:46,765
Hopefully a carryover. It'll

2177
01:57:46,765 --> 01:57:48,405
Be, yeah, the, the goal is to be at zero.

2178
01:57:48,865 --> 01:57:50,125
What's that? I'm sorry? The goal

2179
01:57:50,125 --> 01:57:51,125
Is zero.

2180
01:57:51,125 --> 01:57:52,885
Zero, yes. Okay. Okay.

2181
01:57:53,005 --> 01:57:56,645
So you anticipate then the revenue coming in at

2182
01:57:57,505 --> 01:58:00,365
an increase of over $143,000 over

2183
01:58:00,365 --> 01:58:01,605
your last quarter expenses?

2184
01:58:01,905 --> 01:58:05,005
Yes sir. Okay, thank you. Yeah.

2185
01:58:06,135 --> 01:58:07,135
Indra, do you have any questions?

2186
01:58:07,845 --> 01:58:10,125
I do. Awesome. They're gonna be a little scattered,

2187
01:58:10,145 --> 01:58:11,725
but thank you.

2188
01:58:11,875 --> 01:58:14,005
This is a very detailed presentation.

2189
01:58:14,125 --> 01:58:15,365
I really appreciate that.

2190
01:58:18,695 --> 01:58:21,685
First question. So I see

2191
01:58:23,305 --> 01:58:24,565
you represent all

2192
01:58:24,565 --> 01:58:27,365
of the businesses in Grants Pass, not just downtown.

2193
01:58:27,525 --> 01:58:29,205
'cause I see a lot of coordination

2194
01:58:29,205 --> 01:58:30,765
with Main Street, which is great.

2195
01:58:30,875 --> 01:58:33,245
Sure. Because we we're promoting our downtown

2196
01:58:33,265 --> 01:58:37,565
and that's probably where visitors come

2197
01:58:37,565 --> 01:58:38,845
to, to events there.

2198
01:58:38,945 --> 01:58:43,565
But we also have destination businesses outside of downtown.

2199
01:58:43,865 --> 01:58:46,925
And can you tell me a little bit about your

2200
01:58:46,925 --> 01:58:48,005
goals to reach them?

2201
01:58:48,005 --> 01:58:51,125
Because when I look at the strategic partnerships,

2202
01:58:51,445 --> 01:58:54,685
I don't see a lot that aren't like right downtown

2203
01:58:54,745 --> 01:58:55,845
or in the general area.

2204
01:58:55,905 --> 01:58:58,965
So what are your goals to reach businesses outside?

2205
01:58:59,345 --> 01:59:01,205
So in the just year

2206
01:59:01,205 --> 01:59:03,725
and change that I've been working on this, it was important

2207
01:59:03,725 --> 01:59:05,845
for us strategically to focus on the top

2208
01:59:05,875 --> 01:59:07,005
drivers for tourism.

2209
01:59:07,745 --> 01:59:10,005
And that's food and that's music

2210
01:59:10,425 --> 01:59:13,005
and that's historic buildings and experiences.

2211
01:59:13,665 --> 01:59:16,325
So we wanted to take full advantage of

2212
01:59:16,325 --> 01:59:19,725
what we already had since it really hadn't been done in a,

2213
01:59:19,825 --> 01:59:22,405
in a strategic scalpel like way.

2214
01:59:22,905 --> 01:59:24,925
So in this first year we did exactly that

2215
01:59:24,925 --> 01:59:25,965
and I think you'll see that.

2216
01:59:25,965 --> 01:59:28,765
And the content that we pr we've produced,

2217
01:59:30,705 --> 01:59:34,005
as I briefly rushed over this following year,

2218
01:59:34,025 --> 01:59:37,885
is really about moving outside of the,

2219
01:59:38,265 --> 01:59:41,285
the downtown and not just into wine,

2220
01:59:41,375 --> 01:59:43,365
which would be an easy go-to, right?

2221
01:59:43,545 --> 01:59:46,405
But with the, the advent of Dollar Mountain,

2222
01:59:46,625 --> 01:59:49,085
now we can start moving from Dollar Mountain

2223
01:59:49,465 --> 01:59:51,525
to the Rogue River up the Rogue River

2224
01:59:51,835 --> 01:59:53,005
into the Illinois Valley.

2225
01:59:53,225 --> 01:59:54,565
I'm already working with the Chamber

2226
01:59:54,705 --> 01:59:56,845
and the leadership in the Illinois Valley

2227
01:59:57,185 --> 01:59:59,485
to talk about unique lodging experiences.

2228
02:00:00,675 --> 02:00:03,885
Dark skies is gonna be an amazing opportunity for us

2229
02:00:03,905 --> 02:00:05,845
to advertise the caves of course.

2230
02:00:06,665 --> 02:00:09,445
And then we can get back into the Applegate Valley

2231
02:00:09,985 --> 02:00:11,965
and we can talk about some of the things that aren't one,

2232
02:00:12,155 --> 02:00:14,365
like paragliding and hang gliding.

2233
02:00:14,905 --> 02:00:19,005
We have a a, a Perry creator out there. That is awesome.

2234
02:00:19,055 --> 02:00:23,165
We'll have a new, a new brewery out there that will be great

2235
02:00:23,185 --> 02:00:24,805
for, for visitors.

2236
02:00:24,805 --> 02:00:26,805
We've got the Lindsay Lodge that sits on the border,

2237
02:00:27,465 --> 02:00:29,765
so we'll be moving outside of downtown.

2238
02:00:30,745 --> 02:00:33,605
But in with respect to moving quickly

2239
02:00:33,785 --> 02:00:36,045
and taking full advantage of the resources

2240
02:00:36,685 --> 02:00:39,925
that Grants Pass has that are attractive statistically

2241
02:00:40,585 --> 02:00:44,085
to travelers, we moved really quickly to focus on that

2242
02:00:44,145 --> 02:00:47,525
and now we'll have the opportunity over the next 10 years

2243
02:00:47,665 --> 02:00:49,325
to develop the rest of the stories.

2244
02:00:50,005 --> 02:00:51,085
We're just a team of two

2245
02:00:51,345 --> 02:00:54,325
and so it is a little bit linear about how we can move

2246
02:00:54,325 --> 02:00:55,605
through things and it does take time.

2247
02:00:56,655 --> 02:00:59,125
Thank you. And I, I'm glad that that's your goal

2248
02:00:59,125 --> 02:01:00,205
to move out beyond,

2249
02:01:00,455 --> 02:01:03,645
which brings the question that I don't know.

2250
02:01:03,665 --> 02:01:06,805
So the TLT dollars that are for lodging is

2251
02:01:06,955 --> 02:01:09,205
that lodging throughout the county

2252
02:01:09,505 --> 02:01:12,285
and how to, do you contract with the county too?

2253
02:01:12,525 --> 02:01:15,685
'cause your visit Grants pass and how does that work?

2254
02:01:16,115 --> 02:01:19,525
Well, without getting into like the political specifics

2255
02:01:19,525 --> 02:01:21,685
of everything, right, the county's been in disarray

2256
02:01:21,745 --> 02:01:25,525
for a bit and we lost our liaison to our board.

2257
02:01:26,825 --> 02:01:29,205
We have a new one that's just getting ready to start

2258
02:01:29,425 --> 02:01:32,045
and we'll be able to develop that support.

2259
02:01:32,665 --> 02:01:37,245
To date, the county does not contribute to our

2260
02:01:37,765 --> 02:01:39,245
TLT rake

2261
02:01:40,625 --> 02:01:43,845
and it's unfortunate we still promote them obviously

2262
02:01:43,845 --> 02:01:46,605
because they have a great deal to offer

2263
02:01:46,825 --> 02:01:50,325
and people come here to go to what was the,

2264
02:01:50,395 --> 02:01:54,085
well the number two wine region in the country USA today.

2265
02:01:54,905 --> 02:01:59,405
And so we use, we use that to bring people into town,

2266
02:01:59,515 --> 02:02:02,325
dark skies, the caves, Illinois River.

2267
02:02:03,515 --> 02:02:06,605
They're a very important part of our community

2268
02:02:06,865 --> 02:02:08,685
and we'd love to have a closer relationship

2269
02:02:08,705 --> 02:02:12,245
and share some of those financial responsibilities.

2270
02:02:12,575 --> 02:02:17,045
Right. So the TLT dollars that come from the city,

2271
02:02:18,625 --> 02:02:22,325
is it separate, does the county receive their own TLT from

2272
02:02:22,355 --> 02:02:25,725
lodging outside of the city or No, it's all together.

2273
02:02:26,525 --> 02:02:30,085
I, we received no funding from the county, so I can't say

2274
02:02:30,085 --> 02:02:31,285
what they do with Aaron.

2275
02:02:32,025 --> 02:02:36,685
Can you, do you know, does the county receive TLT dollars

2276
02:02:36,865 --> 02:02:39,645
for lodging outside of the city limits?

2277
02:02:41,185 --> 02:02:44,085
I'm just, the county receives economic dollars from the

2278
02:02:44,085 --> 02:02:46,805
state, but the county currently right now,

2279
02:02:46,995 --> 02:02:49,685
there's a a 12% tax on lodging

2280
02:02:49,685 --> 02:02:51,805
that's all initiated by this city.

2281
02:02:52,865 --> 02:02:55,365
And the county in my understanding,

2282
02:02:55,395 --> 02:02:58,685
does not law does not levy its own lodging tax

2283
02:02:58,715 --> 02:03:01,085
against lodging agencies.

2284
02:03:01,625 --> 02:03:03,845
Oh, thank you. So it's only the city

2285
02:03:03,845 --> 02:03:08,165
that levies the TLT dollars, is that correct?

2286
02:03:08,465 --> 02:03:11,205
For the city? For within our organ, within our boundaries.

2287
02:03:11,215 --> 02:03:13,845
Right. Okay. I didn't know that. Thank you.

2288
02:03:14,515 --> 02:03:16,405
Okay, thank you Jan. Thanks Andrea.

2289
02:03:16,585 --> 02:03:21,245
And then, so I agree it's a little scary when you're

2290
02:03:21,405 --> 02:03:23,845
tracking people that come in and it's difficult

2291
02:03:24,065 --> 02:03:26,805
and I would, that's why I use cash a lot

2292
02:03:27,065 --> 02:03:31,285
and not credit card, but I don't blame you.

2293
02:03:31,585 --> 02:03:35,525
Do you also track business revenues?

2294
02:03:35,675 --> 02:03:39,245
Like when you're talking to businesses, I'm sure you do,

2295
02:03:39,425 --> 02:03:42,525
but is there any kind of formal, how are they doing?

2296
02:03:42,665 --> 02:03:43,885
Are their revenues up?

2297
02:03:43,885 --> 02:03:45,885
Because to me that would show

2298
02:03:45,885 --> 02:03:47,765
that they're getting more tourism

2299
02:03:47,985 --> 02:03:49,725
and more business. Do you track

2300
02:03:49,835 --> 02:03:50,835
That?

2301
02:03:50,835 --> 02:03:52,605
Certainly. We don't, only anecdotally in our work,

2302
02:03:52,605 --> 02:03:55,565
because we are so concentrated in our efforts beyond

2303
02:03:55,915 --> 02:03:57,165
that 50 mile radius,

2304
02:03:57,525 --> 02:03:59,965
I rely on my friend at the chamber honestly,

2305
02:04:00,665 --> 02:04:03,765
to help understand what that impact is.

2306
02:04:04,025 --> 02:04:07,805
And then we look at that data aggregators across the state.

2307
02:04:07,865 --> 02:04:09,965
Tribal Oregon is a, a big help.

2308
02:04:10,435 --> 02:04:14,885
Dean Runion stars report, data phi now we have access

2309
02:04:14,905 --> 02:04:16,645
to a platform called Placer.

2310
02:04:17,785 --> 02:04:21,205
And then we just start trying to deduce

2311
02:04:21,675 --> 02:04:23,125
what things look like broadly.

2312
02:04:23,195 --> 02:04:27,285
Otherwise for us in our organization, it's just anecdotal.

2313
02:04:27,835 --> 02:04:29,205
Okay, thank you. And I,

2314
02:04:29,355 --> 02:04:32,165
I've seen your advertisements at the airport.

2315
02:04:32,435 --> 02:04:34,605
Very nice base camp. Right.

2316
02:04:34,895 --> 02:04:39,605
Thank you. And then the, I saw in here the data's from

2317
02:04:40,675 --> 02:04:42,285
Data fly, data fly.

2318
02:04:42,285 --> 02:04:45,045
Yeah, I wrote it. Is that a software program that

2319
02:04:45,045 --> 02:04:46,045
You use?

2320
02:04:46,045 --> 02:04:47,525
It's a software as service, they call it.

2321
02:04:47,685 --> 02:04:49,125
I mean we get technical here,

2322
02:04:49,125 --> 02:04:53,725
but it's programmatic, which is to say that we run,

2323
02:04:54,075 --> 02:04:55,885
they run millions

2324
02:04:56,045 --> 02:05:00,405
of impressions in banner type ads based on online activity.

2325
02:05:01,425 --> 02:05:02,605
So, okay.

2326
02:05:02,885 --> 02:05:04,245
I mean, I hate to break it to you,

2327
02:05:04,705 --> 02:05:08,045
but you're being tracked on every click, every scroll,

2328
02:05:08,505 --> 02:05:11,365
the amount of time you spend, not scrolling,

2329
02:05:11,675 --> 02:05:13,445
it's all being tracked.

2330
02:05:13,585 --> 02:05:17,325
And so Dify will be watching your activity

2331
02:05:17,385 --> 02:05:18,605
and then we'll serve you an ad

2332
02:05:18,605 --> 02:05:19,765
that it thinks it's appropriate.

2333
02:05:20,555 --> 02:05:22,365
Okay. And the most likely to engage.

2334
02:05:23,395 --> 02:05:26,845
Okay. And then there were two others. Dean, I'm sorry?

2335
02:05:26,845 --> 02:05:28,965
Dean Run. Yes. What did they do?

2336
02:05:29,385 --> 02:05:32,605
That's an annual report. It's not quite out yet.

2337
02:05:33,115 --> 02:05:35,965
This meeting actually, the timing of it gets a little weird.

2338
02:05:36,225 --> 02:05:38,725
So we're waiting for it in the next couple of weeks.

2339
02:05:38,785 --> 02:05:41,485
Actual, that will close the end of the year

2340
02:05:41,485 --> 02:05:42,765
that Rob was talking about.

2341
02:05:42,945 --> 02:05:45,445
So we'll have that full calendar year,

2342
02:05:46,105 --> 02:05:47,805
but we just don't have that, those numbers yet.

2343
02:05:47,985 --> 02:05:51,885
And that's the big detailed report.

2344
02:05:52,065 --> 02:05:55,125
Are they local or is that No. Just, okay.

2345
02:05:55,435 --> 02:05:58,165
It's, they're experts in doing that. Yeah, I'm assuming.

2346
02:05:58,465 --> 02:06:00,565
And then there was one other, I wrote it down,

2347
02:06:00,665 --> 02:06:02,005
but I don't see it.

2348
02:06:02,505 --> 02:06:06,525
Do you know what I'm talking about? It's okay.

2349
02:06:10,685 --> 02:06:12,365
Advising. You mentioned advising.

2350
02:06:14,595 --> 02:06:17,005
What, what do you advise at?

2351
02:06:17,435 --> 02:06:19,245
Well, sometimes we're just not able

2352
02:06:19,305 --> 02:06:21,685
to do work for a business.

2353
02:06:21,745 --> 02:06:23,485
For example, we might be approached

2354
02:06:24,185 --> 02:06:25,845
and they'll have no budget

2355
02:06:26,625 --> 02:06:30,805
and we can't really call it a tourism attraction,

2356
02:06:31,385 --> 02:06:32,885
but we're happy to spend hours,

2357
02:06:32,885 --> 02:06:35,965
countless hours in infinity hours working

2358
02:06:35,965 --> 02:06:38,845
with small businesses on how to best maximize

2359
02:06:39,815 --> 02:06:41,285
their marketing practices.

2360
02:06:41,285 --> 02:06:43,125
Because in the end, we just want everybody to win.

2361
02:06:43,985 --> 02:06:47,925
And I work with plenty of experts in, in this field

2362
02:06:48,265 --> 02:06:52,405
and in a couple of hours we can advise a mom

2363
02:06:52,405 --> 02:06:55,085
and pop on how to manage their socials,

2364
02:06:55,085 --> 02:06:56,765
for example, at no cost.

2365
02:06:57,035 --> 02:06:59,325
It's just something that we think is a community service.

2366
02:07:00,055 --> 02:07:04,965
Right. Okay. And then lastly, thank you

2367
02:07:05,065 --> 02:07:06,485
for the statement of activity.

2368
02:07:06,625 --> 02:07:11,005
And it's very detailed except for 1 61 50,

2369
02:07:11,185 --> 02:07:14,445
the marketing campaign, which is the bulk of your dollars.

2370
02:07:14,985 --> 02:07:17,005
If you could, not now, of course,

2371
02:07:17,105 --> 02:07:20,045
but if you could break that down for me,

2372
02:07:20,805 --> 02:07:23,165
I would really appreciate to know where the bulk of

2373
02:07:23,605 --> 02:07:25,765
that money is, is going. So

2374
02:07:25,965 --> 02:07:28,965
I mean, I can tell you right now, it's passed through.

2375
02:07:29,265 --> 02:07:32,125
We work with dozens or more vendors

2376
02:07:32,865 --> 02:07:36,645
and content creators, influencers, writers.

2377
02:07:38,065 --> 02:07:40,685
So that's a lot of it. But the bulk of it is passed through

2378
02:07:40,685 --> 02:07:41,805
to the actual campaigns.

2379
02:07:42,305 --> 02:07:46,405
So what you're seeing here is when we pay aaa, for example,

2380
02:07:46,665 --> 02:07:49,325
to have an ad or an editorial in their magazine,

2381
02:07:49,545 --> 02:07:53,245
or we pay tens of thousands of dollars to meta

2382
02:07:54,065 --> 02:07:57,045
for ads across Facebook and Instagram.

2383
02:07:57,905 --> 02:08:00,565
And it just goes on and on and on. Okay. Google's the same.

2384
02:08:01,825 --> 02:08:06,165
Reddit is the same, YouTube is the same. So

2385
02:08:06,745 --> 02:08:09,725
If it's not too difficult, I I would actually like

2386
02:08:09,785 --> 02:08:13,565
to see a list of who we work with and market to.

2387
02:08:13,565 --> 02:08:16,525
Sure. If it's not trouble. Okay. And then thank you.

2388
02:08:16,545 --> 02:08:17,845
You're absolutely right.

2389
02:08:18,695 --> 02:08:22,605
Being in marketing for many years myself,

2390
02:08:23,185 --> 02:08:24,725
it is a downward spiral.

2391
02:08:25,035 --> 02:08:27,845
It's one of the things you have to spend money on in order

2392
02:08:27,905 --> 02:08:32,725
to grow business or grow tourism here.

2393
02:08:33,025 --> 02:08:34,885
And when you, it's, you're right.

2394
02:08:35,035 --> 02:08:37,765
It's the first thing to cut because it's a lot of dollars.

2395
02:08:38,065 --> 02:08:40,325
It is. You say, oh, I need to cut dollars.

2396
02:08:40,585 --> 02:08:43,525
But then you do see the impact of that.

2397
02:08:43,625 --> 02:08:45,645
So I appreciate what you do and thank you.

2398
02:08:45,645 --> 02:08:47,325
And the coordination with the other groups.

2399
02:08:47,845 --> 02:08:50,165
I appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you Dan.

2400
02:08:50,575 --> 02:08:51,885
Appreciate your time. Thank

2401
02:08:51,885 --> 02:08:52,885
You brother.

2402
02:08:52,885 --> 02:08:53,605
All right, Dana, who's next?

2403
02:09:00,105 --> 02:09:03,245
All right. Our last presenter today, back in the end

2404
02:09:03,245 --> 02:09:07,205
of last year, the council approved some funding to help

2405
02:09:07,835 --> 02:09:09,765
Main Street Grants pass, get off the ground

2406
02:09:10,425 --> 02:09:12,205
and to hire an executive director.

2407
02:09:12,345 --> 02:09:15,325
So today we have Dan Small executive director

2408
02:09:16,185 --> 02:09:17,845
for Main Street Grants Pass.

2409
02:09:21,095 --> 02:09:23,685
Thank you Dana. Hello, Mr. Mayor.

2410
02:09:23,685 --> 02:09:25,405
Counselors, thank you so much for having me here.

2411
02:09:25,845 --> 02:09:27,085
I wanna start with gratitude.

2412
02:09:27,795 --> 02:09:29,245
It's not lost on me that

2413
02:09:30,705 --> 02:09:33,005
we are relying heavily on the city currently

2414
02:09:33,105 --> 02:09:34,325
for funding for Main Street.

2415
02:09:34,505 --> 02:09:38,885
And it's largely in part to your guys' advocacy for

2416
02:09:39,595 --> 02:09:40,765
what you believe in as a,

2417
02:09:40,765 --> 02:09:43,045
as a strong strategic partner for our community.

2418
02:09:43,785 --> 02:09:45,525
So I just wanna say thank you to all of you

2419
02:09:45,525 --> 02:09:48,565
who had the opportunity to vote for our funding in October.

2420
02:09:49,505 --> 02:09:51,365
And thank you very much for the opportunity

2421
02:09:51,365 --> 02:09:53,165
to serve this community in a meaningful way.

2422
02:09:53,225 --> 02:09:54,325
I'm very honored to be here

2423
02:09:54,805 --> 02:09:55,805
and I couldn't do without you guys.

2424
02:09:55,905 --> 02:09:59,365
So thank you very much. Main Street Grants Pass,

2425
02:09:59,365 --> 02:10:02,485
technically found formed in 2024,

2426
02:10:02,905 --> 02:10:05,565
but we have not had a whole lot of activity

2427
02:10:05,695 --> 02:10:06,885
until I was recently hired.

2428
02:10:06,915 --> 02:10:09,205
I've been on the clock for about a month

2429
02:10:09,305 --> 02:10:10,885
and 10 days as of today.

2430
02:10:11,745 --> 02:10:15,525
And so what I'm excited to talk to you about is the work

2431
02:10:15,525 --> 02:10:17,965
that we've done thus far over this last month.

2432
02:10:18,405 --> 02:10:21,085
Briefly touch on the work that had been done prior

2433
02:10:21,085 --> 02:10:23,685
to me being started and then give you a quick six month

2434
02:10:23,685 --> 02:10:26,205
outlook as the work is just beginning.

2435
02:10:26,685 --> 02:10:29,605
I don't have a full year's projection for you.

2436
02:10:29,765 --> 02:10:33,285
I can't reflect on dollar spent in the last year,

2437
02:10:33,765 --> 02:10:35,285
but we can dream together

2438
02:10:35,285 --> 02:10:38,045
and we can be in a really exciting place of optimism

2439
02:10:38,105 --> 02:10:39,965
as we looked towards the rest of this year.

2440
02:10:40,145 --> 02:10:43,005
So I will start with that six month outlook

2441
02:10:43,665 --> 02:10:45,045
and four, what's gonna look like

2442
02:10:45,065 --> 02:10:48,085
for Main Street Grants Pass is establishing relationships

2443
02:10:48,085 --> 02:10:49,245
and growing our membership base.

2444
02:10:50,305 --> 02:10:52,885
As I've been on the ground for the last month,

2445
02:10:54,315 --> 02:10:57,165
meeting business owners, hearing their story, spending a lot

2446
02:10:57,165 --> 02:11:00,845
of intentional time, understanding what challenges

2447
02:11:00,845 --> 02:11:01,925
that they're facing currently

2448
02:11:02,105 --> 02:11:05,605
and how their challenges might be different, being a brick

2449
02:11:05,605 --> 02:11:08,885
and mortar shop downtown as opposed to maybe a,

2450
02:11:09,285 --> 02:11:10,445
a mobile store

2451
02:11:10,505 --> 02:11:13,365
or somewhere that's in a more

2452
02:11:14,635 --> 02:11:16,445
traffic driven district.

2453
02:11:17,385 --> 02:11:19,125
And so it's been a really wonderful opportunity.

2454
02:11:19,125 --> 02:11:20,645
That's something that I am excited to do

2455
02:11:20,645 --> 02:11:24,445
and to continue to that that work as long

2456
02:11:24,445 --> 02:11:26,725
as I'm privileged enough to serve in this capacity,

2457
02:11:27,485 --> 02:11:30,045
building those relationships, growing our membership bases,

2458
02:11:30,245 --> 02:11:31,965
ultimately just talking about what it is

2459
02:11:31,965 --> 02:11:33,405
that Main Street's intentions are

2460
02:11:33,505 --> 02:11:36,765
and how we need downtown business owners

2461
02:11:37,025 --> 02:11:38,605
and property owners alike

2462
02:11:39,145 --> 02:11:41,605
and community members participation in order for us

2463
02:11:41,605 --> 02:11:45,125
to be successful, engaging our subcommittees

2464
02:11:45,305 --> 02:11:46,765
and committing to the Main Street model.

2465
02:11:46,995 --> 02:11:49,565
Main Street is a nationwide organization

2466
02:11:49,715 --> 02:11:53,925
that exists in 2000 different communities nationwide.

2467
02:11:54,635 --> 02:11:56,925
They have been in practice for 40 years

2468
02:11:57,625 --> 02:11:59,245
and they have a four tiered approach.

2469
02:12:00,105 --> 02:12:03,845
And it is economic vitality, it's design, it's promotions,

2470
02:12:04,025 --> 02:12:05,805
and it is organization.

2471
02:12:05,945 --> 02:12:09,165
And so as we are engaging our subcommittees,

2472
02:12:09,165 --> 02:12:11,245
which are those four arms that I talked about,

2473
02:12:12,065 --> 02:12:14,085
we are getting together and committing to that model

2474
02:12:14,085 --> 02:12:15,405
because it is when each one

2475
02:12:15,405 --> 02:12:17,205
of those is given the opportunity

2476
02:12:17,305 --> 02:12:19,845
and the attention equally that we're able

2477
02:12:19,845 --> 02:12:24,805
to see community transformation, communications improvement,

2478
02:12:26,045 --> 02:12:28,045
specifically slick text deployment,

2479
02:12:28,405 --> 02:12:29,925
a text communications platform

2480
02:12:29,925 --> 02:12:31,285
that we're really excited to deploy.

2481
02:12:32,105 --> 02:12:33,445
As I've been boots on the ground,

2482
02:12:33,445 --> 02:12:36,565
we had a town hall meeting up at the Hive on

2483
02:12:36,565 --> 02:12:37,605
the 24th of February.

2484
02:12:38,385 --> 02:12:40,525
And then it has been echoed ever since that one

2485
02:12:40,525 --> 02:12:44,085
of the greatest pain points for the folks who are downtown.

2486
02:12:44,085 --> 02:12:47,525
The folks who have rely on regular communications, whether

2487
02:12:47,525 --> 02:12:49,405
that be from Main Street, to understand

2488
02:12:50,115 --> 02:12:52,285
updates on promotions that are coming through, whether

2489
02:12:52,285 --> 02:12:55,565
that be updates from the city, they feel like they're

2490
02:12:56,455 --> 02:12:58,845
maybe being left in the, oh, pardon me,

2491
02:13:00,055 --> 02:13:01,765
maybe in the in the dark.

2492
02:13:01,865 --> 02:13:05,765
And understanding too that there are mailers that go out

2493
02:13:05,785 --> 02:13:07,485
and that we have emails that go out

2494
02:13:07,545 --> 02:13:08,885
and still it's just not enough.

2495
02:13:09,505 --> 02:13:11,245
So we're wanting to meet our vendors

2496
02:13:11,385 --> 02:13:12,565
and our merchants where they're at.

2497
02:13:13,065 --> 02:13:16,125
And so creating a text platform that allows Main Street

2498
02:13:16,125 --> 02:13:18,125
to communicate directly to those merchants

2499
02:13:18,485 --> 02:13:20,965
or members For Main Street,

2500
02:13:22,065 --> 02:13:24,005
we have our phone number approved

2501
02:13:24,065 --> 02:13:26,285
and we will, we are currently in the deployment phase

2502
02:13:26,305 --> 02:13:29,925
of Slick Text and then strategic planning for 2026.

2503
02:13:30,425 --> 02:13:31,645
The rest of 2026

2504
02:13:31,665 --> 02:13:35,085
and into 2028 will be taking place over the next

2505
02:13:35,105 --> 02:13:36,125
few months as well.

2506
02:13:36,865 --> 02:13:39,445
So understanding that I really only have

2507
02:13:39,445 --> 02:13:40,525
job security for this year.

2508
02:13:40,845 --> 02:13:42,485
There's quite a bit of work to be done.

2509
02:13:43,465 --> 02:13:46,085
And then we also having our first Friday enhancements,

2510
02:13:46,565 --> 02:13:49,125
we have a downtown fashion experience cruise, the Rogue

2511
02:13:49,145 --> 02:13:51,285
and the Living Room Invitational, which I'll touch on later.

2512
02:13:52,505 --> 02:13:53,565
So let the work begin.

2513
02:13:54,765 --> 02:13:58,405
Touching on the four pillars of the, the Main Street model.

2514
02:13:58,455 --> 02:14:00,045
These are our four subcommittees.

2515
02:14:00,225 --> 02:14:03,045
As you'll see, our kickoff meetings just happened last week.

2516
02:14:04,185 --> 02:14:06,325
It has been a two year process

2517
02:14:06,625 --> 02:14:08,685
to get these folks together in the same room.

2518
02:14:09,225 --> 02:14:11,245
Our promotions committee has been diligently working

2519
02:14:12,545 --> 02:14:14,845
really since the, the foundation of,

2520
02:14:15,345 --> 02:14:17,245
of Main Street back in 2024.

2521
02:14:17,765 --> 02:14:20,205
With a lot of that work happening over the last year in

2522
02:14:20,205 --> 02:14:22,445
terms of taking over First Fridays

2523
02:14:23,025 --> 02:14:27,005
and really working on the staple

2524
02:14:28,545 --> 02:14:29,765
events that we're gonna be doing,

2525
02:14:29,835 --> 02:14:31,805
like Cruise The Rogue that's coming up this year.

2526
02:14:32,405 --> 02:14:34,925
Living Room Invitational, which partnered with Gate's.

2527
02:14:34,925 --> 02:14:38,925
Home Furnishing was an indoor mini golf event

2528
02:14:38,925 --> 02:14:43,725
where we ended up giving $62,000 to the Children's Museum.

2529
02:14:44,645 --> 02:14:47,085
So promotions has been working really, really hard for that.

2530
02:14:47,585 --> 02:14:50,365
And I actually will shout out Danielle Glam,

2531
02:14:50,375 --> 02:14:52,125
who's our committee chair for that.

2532
02:14:52,225 --> 02:14:54,165
She, it is her birthday today. Happy birthday, Denny.

2533
02:14:54,785 --> 02:14:55,845
But also her

2534
02:14:55,845 --> 02:14:59,365
and her husband John have been actively working on keeping

2535
02:14:59,365 --> 02:15:01,805
that promotions committee going as well as a group of

2536
02:15:02,435 --> 02:15:04,245
five other community members

2537
02:15:05,105 --> 02:15:06,405
who I'm very grateful for their work.

2538
02:15:06,965 --> 02:15:09,685
But the design, the economic vitality in the organization

2539
02:15:09,685 --> 02:15:12,685
committee just had our inaugural meeting this last week.

2540
02:15:13,345 --> 02:15:15,525
Really that was a tone setting meeting for us.

2541
02:15:15,665 --> 02:15:19,005
It was creating expectations of what we hope

2542
02:15:19,005 --> 02:15:20,125
to see from them and

2543
02:15:20,125 --> 02:15:21,565
their participation in those committees.

2544
02:15:22,425 --> 02:15:24,965
And then speaking specifically about

2545
02:15:24,965 --> 02:15:26,765
what the next coming months are gonna look like

2546
02:15:26,785 --> 02:15:28,645
as we engage in the strategic planning process

2547
02:15:29,025 --> 02:15:31,085
and long-term vision for Main Street Grants Pass,

2548
02:15:33,375 --> 02:15:35,805
which also, I will just mo take a note to say

2549
02:15:35,805 --> 02:15:37,365
that our goal is to have that completed by 20

2550
02:15:37,505 --> 02:15:39,165
or July of this year.

2551
02:15:40,515 --> 02:15:43,125
Briefly touched on the four pillars of Main Street.

2552
02:15:43,125 --> 02:15:45,165
This is a rip directly from their website,

2553
02:15:45,745 --> 02:15:49,005
but just so the group as a whole has an understanding of

2554
02:15:49,075 --> 02:15:52,525
what each arm does within the Main Street model

2555
02:15:53,215 --> 02:15:56,685
Promotions is what we look at as almost the marketing arm

2556
02:15:56,905 --> 02:15:57,965
of Main Street.

2557
02:15:58,185 --> 02:16:00,365
So promoting our assets, promote

2558
02:16:00,425 --> 02:16:03,645
and creating opportunities for the community to be involved

2559
02:16:04,545 --> 02:16:05,645
in fun

2560
02:16:05,665 --> 02:16:06,645
and exciting new

2561
02:16:09,385 --> 02:16:10,925
events around town.

2562
02:16:11,865 --> 02:16:14,605
We want to make sure that we are promoting the work

2563
02:16:14,605 --> 02:16:16,405
that the other arms are gonna be doing, as well

2564
02:16:16,405 --> 02:16:17,885
as promoting the work

2565
02:16:18,085 --> 02:16:19,845
that our strategic partners are, are doing.

2566
02:16:19,905 --> 02:16:22,485
We, we rely heavily on Visit Grants Pass in the Chamber

2567
02:16:22,505 --> 02:16:26,245
of Commerce and we, we wanna make sure that the efforts

2568
02:16:26,245 --> 02:16:27,125
that they're putting into the

2569
02:16:27,125 --> 02:16:28,405
community we're able to promote as well.

2570
02:16:29,265 --> 02:16:31,605
Design Committee is all about beautification projects

2571
02:16:31,605 --> 02:16:33,405
around town, whether that be wayfinding,

2572
02:16:33,895 --> 02:16:37,565
green space creation, murals, opportunities for us

2573
02:16:37,665 --> 02:16:40,765
to take direct ownership in beautifying our city,

2574
02:16:42,725 --> 02:16:44,885
specifically the downtown district,

2575
02:16:44,905 --> 02:16:46,565
and wanting to make sure

2576
02:16:46,565 --> 02:16:49,445
that we are preserving historic buildings, working closely

2577
02:16:49,475 --> 02:16:51,685
with the Historic Building Society to make sure

2578
02:16:51,685 --> 02:16:54,325
that any work that we're doing is preserving the,

2579
02:16:54,745 --> 02:16:56,485
the rich heritage that we have here.

2580
02:16:58,445 --> 02:17:00,885
Economic vitality is building a diverse economic base,

2581
02:17:01,865 --> 02:17:03,805
cataly catalyzing smart new investments.

2582
02:17:03,805 --> 02:17:06,365
So leaning heavily on our strategic partners to make sure

2583
02:17:06,365 --> 02:17:10,645
that we are finding the right businesses to bring downtown

2584
02:17:11,085 --> 02:17:13,205
that will be continuing to drive foot traffic

2585
02:17:13,265 --> 02:17:16,325
and to be able to continue to keep those dollars local.

2586
02:17:18,025 --> 02:17:20,885
And then the organization committee is what I look at as the

2587
02:17:21,855 --> 02:17:23,645
guardrails, essentially, of the organization.

2588
02:17:24,025 --> 02:17:27,845
And so they are gonna be strongly responsible

2589
02:17:27,845 --> 02:17:30,285
for any future funding that will happen for Main Street,

2590
02:17:30,425 --> 02:17:32,725
but they're also gonna be the keepers of our strategic plan.

2591
02:17:32,945 --> 02:17:35,285
And so as we develop initiatives

2592
02:17:35,285 --> 02:17:37,605
through the other three Arms, we'll be running it

2593
02:17:37,605 --> 02:17:39,685
through the strategic plan and really through the,

2594
02:17:39,745 --> 02:17:41,685
the organization committee.

2595
02:17:42,145 --> 02:17:46,285
So our Main Street events, so first

2596
02:17:46,285 --> 02:17:49,205
and foremost are our monthly event that is recurring,

2597
02:17:49,665 --> 02:17:52,165
and that is a Grants Pass staple that we have a lot

2598
02:17:52,165 --> 02:17:53,405
of downtown merchants are excited

2599
02:17:53,405 --> 02:17:55,005
to participate in is First Fridays.

2600
02:17:55,815 --> 02:17:58,205
There are some exciting new developments that will be coming

2601
02:17:58,205 --> 02:17:59,285
that we can talk about that later.

2602
02:18:00,025 --> 02:18:03,165
The downtown fashion experience is coming up on June 13th.

2603
02:18:03,195 --> 02:18:04,205
It's an opportunity for us

2604
02:18:04,205 --> 02:18:06,645
to feature 11 different boutiques from the downtown

2605
02:18:06,925 --> 02:18:08,005
district, give them a moment

2606
02:18:08,105 --> 02:18:10,405
as they all have their own sense of style and brand,

2607
02:18:10,405 --> 02:18:13,565
and we wanna make sure that we are being inclusive for all

2608
02:18:13,565 --> 02:18:15,365
of our boutiques and give them a moment to shine.

2609
02:18:16,265 --> 02:18:19,565
Cruise the Rogue is a callback to an old classic.

2610
02:18:20,305 --> 02:18:24,765
We want to pay homage to the, the classic cruisers

2611
02:18:24,765 --> 02:18:26,445
and the work that they've done with the Fabulous fifties

2612
02:18:26,455 --> 02:18:29,645
event, but also step into this new,

2613
02:18:31,805 --> 02:18:33,845
I guess, generation as Main Street Tarts to take over

2614
02:18:33,845 --> 02:18:36,645
that event and bring that into the future

2615
02:18:36,865 --> 02:18:40,405
as it is now gonna be a multi-generational, multi-gen

2616
02:18:41,025 --> 02:18:43,165
car cruise that's gonna be taking place over four days.

2617
02:18:43,765 --> 02:18:45,805
I mentioned briefly the Gates Living Room Invitational.

2618
02:18:45,805 --> 02:18:47,445
It was a massive success for us last year.

2619
02:18:47,445 --> 02:18:48,965
We plan on bringing that back this year.

2620
02:18:49,225 --> 02:18:51,325
We also have the monster March the Trick-or-Treating event

2621
02:18:51,325 --> 02:18:55,485
that happens downtown during the first Friday, or right

2622
02:18:55,485 --> 02:18:57,925
before, sorry, rather the the trick

2623
02:18:57,925 --> 02:18:59,605
or treating event that happens on Halloween

2624
02:18:59,865 --> 02:19:01,925
or the weekend for, and then the Coco Crawl.

2625
02:19:02,185 --> 02:19:04,365
And we are excited to identify opportunities

2626
02:19:06,745 --> 02:19:08,845
for other events coming up soon.

2627
02:19:10,885 --> 02:19:13,325
A massive win that we can point to that Main Street has

2628
02:19:14,085 --> 02:19:15,445
participated in recently

2629
02:19:15,445 --> 02:19:17,725
for First Fridays at the Leprechaun activation.

2630
02:19:18,185 --> 02:19:20,925
Big shout out to Terry at TLC Creations for creating

2631
02:19:21,895 --> 02:19:23,725
these wonderful little leprechauns

2632
02:19:23,725 --> 02:19:26,325
that business owners hid throughout their,

2633
02:19:27,285 --> 02:19:28,525
their, their business.

2634
02:19:28,525 --> 02:19:29,885
And they had a little QR code.

2635
02:19:30,365 --> 02:19:32,285
It was an basically we, they were

2636
02:19:32,445 --> 02:19:33,925
provided a map, they could go around, they searched

2637
02:19:33,925 --> 02:19:35,605
for the leprechaun, they scanned the QR code,

2638
02:19:35,605 --> 02:19:37,045
and they were entered into a drawing.

2639
02:19:37,905 --> 02:19:40,765
We saw with this activation alone, 2000 scans

2640
02:19:40,865 --> 02:19:44,245
for those QR codes in an average of 90 scans per business.

2641
02:19:44,985 --> 02:19:46,685
So as folks are going around,

2642
02:19:46,685 --> 02:19:48,125
they're searching for these leprechauns.

2643
02:19:48,315 --> 02:19:49,325
It's just a fun way for them

2644
02:19:49,325 --> 02:19:51,805
to be engaged in the First Friday activities.

2645
02:19:51,945 --> 02:19:53,365
And also for us to drive

2646
02:19:53,365 --> 02:19:55,525
that traffic maybe down a little bit farther.

2647
02:19:55,625 --> 02:19:57,685
You know, we're seeing that folks tend to stay in

2648
02:19:57,685 --> 02:19:58,965
that G Street to eighth Street area.

2649
02:19:58,985 --> 02:20:01,245
We wanna make sure that we are engaging the businesses

2650
02:20:01,245 --> 02:20:03,645
that are farther down the block and up the block as well.

2651
02:20:03,985 --> 02:20:05,445
So they were all placed on a map

2652
02:20:05,625 --> 02:20:07,765
and then everybody had to go inside those locations

2653
02:20:07,765 --> 02:20:09,045
and look for those leprechauns,

2654
02:20:10,185 --> 02:20:11,765
the Glass Forge, Easter Egg Hunt.

2655
02:20:12,225 --> 02:20:14,525
We partnered with them mostly to just boost

2656
02:20:14,525 --> 02:20:15,645
what they were already doing.

2657
02:20:16,705 --> 02:20:19,085
Lee over there is a, is a really generous man

2658
02:20:19,085 --> 02:20:21,605
and over the, the week leading up to

2659
02:20:22,185 --> 02:20:26,445
Easter was placing five glass blown eggs in

2660
02:20:27,285 --> 02:20:29,325
businesses all around Grants Pass.

2661
02:20:29,385 --> 02:20:33,125
But we tried to specifically focus on downtown businesses

2662
02:20:33,145 --> 02:20:36,965
as well as really specifically G Street businesses

2663
02:20:36,965 --> 02:20:38,965
as they were experiencing the closure during that time.

2664
02:20:40,225 --> 02:20:44,525
And it was similar to what you would imagine being the,

2665
02:20:46,025 --> 02:20:48,845
the glass orb hunt that happens in Lincoln City.

2666
02:20:48,845 --> 02:20:51,685
Basically if you find the glass orb, you get to take it.

2667
02:20:52,385 --> 02:20:54,485
And so finders keepers type of situation.

2668
02:20:54,705 --> 02:20:56,645
But the business owners would hide the egg in their,

2669
02:20:57,145 --> 02:21:00,005
in their business, give a a little clue

2670
02:21:00,005 --> 02:21:02,365
and a, a closeup picture to not fully give it away.

2671
02:21:02,805 --> 02:21:06,165
And it was a great way for folks to engage in going

2672
02:21:06,165 --> 02:21:07,725
and exploring new stores downtown.

2673
02:21:08,605 --> 02:21:12,245
Future state for First Fridays, really excited to partner

2674
02:21:12,245 --> 02:21:14,645
with John Glam, who's taken a lot of ownership

2675
02:21:14,645 --> 02:21:16,845
and creating these, the First Friday experience

2676
02:21:17,825 --> 02:21:21,565
and creating an online app to enhance community engagement.

2677
02:21:21,665 --> 02:21:24,325
So specifically the activities

2678
02:21:24,325 --> 02:21:26,525
that I just briefly mentioned, as well

2679
02:21:26,525 --> 02:21:28,965
as future activations, we'll be able

2680
02:21:28,965 --> 02:21:31,245
to take place in an online app setting

2681
02:21:31,425 --> 02:21:35,165
so folks can have interactive maps, maybe whatever event

2682
02:21:35,565 --> 02:21:37,205
that we're promoting for

2683
02:21:37,205 --> 02:21:39,085
that particular month can be housed in there.

2684
02:21:39,985 --> 02:21:41,485
And then professionalizing systems

2685
02:21:41,545 --> 02:21:43,205
and processes to enhance the event.

2686
02:21:43,835 --> 02:21:47,645
Wanting to make sure that we are able to curate an event,

2687
02:21:48,265 --> 02:21:50,645
making sure that we are partnering well with our,

2688
02:21:50,925 --> 02:21:55,325
our friends at the city to have applications

2689
02:21:55,425 --> 02:21:57,285
for vendors who are gonna be out on the street

2690
02:21:57,985 --> 02:22:00,485
and that we're strategically placing them throughout the,

2691
02:22:00,545 --> 02:22:04,405
the downtown so that we aren't having, you know, four,

2692
02:22:04,905 --> 02:22:06,925
you know, food carts or,

2693
02:22:07,025 --> 02:22:08,685
or things right in front of a restaurant.

2694
02:22:08,685 --> 02:22:10,165
Things that might be an actual detractor.

2695
02:22:10,465 --> 02:22:13,125
How are, how are we able to strategically partner

2696
02:22:13,305 --> 02:22:14,965
to curate an event so

2697
02:22:14,965 --> 02:22:17,205
that it drives traffic all the way down the block?

2698
02:22:18,305 --> 02:22:20,605
The downtown fashion experience I briefly mentioned is

2699
02:22:20,605 --> 02:22:21,645
happening on June 13th.

2700
02:22:22,335 --> 02:22:25,045
We're projecting 150 to 200 people in attendance.

2701
02:22:25,175 --> 02:22:27,165
We're gonna be capitalizing on a lot of the

2702
02:22:27,925 --> 02:22:29,885
Saturday market traffic as they, as they start

2703
02:22:29,885 --> 02:22:32,165
to leave was when we're gonna begin our festivities.

2704
02:22:32,375 --> 02:22:34,565
We're having up to 15 local vendors.

2705
02:22:34,965 --> 02:22:36,805
We're in the jury process for that currently.

2706
02:22:37,535 --> 02:22:39,245
We're also gonna have a VIP experience

2707
02:22:39,265 --> 02:22:41,805
for the boutique owners and as well as sponsors

2708
02:22:43,745 --> 02:22:45,485
and driving businesses

2709
02:22:45,585 --> 02:22:47,565
and new clientele for those boutiques.

2710
02:22:47,565 --> 02:22:51,565
An opportunity for them to showcase their apparel

2711
02:22:51,665 --> 02:22:56,405
and also in our program, be able to feature a, a coupon

2712
02:22:56,465 --> 02:22:58,045
or a discount that they might be able

2713
02:22:58,045 --> 02:22:59,885
to take in then spend in their stores.

2714
02:23:01,465 --> 02:23:04,485
Cruise The Rogue, I talked about being a new,

2715
02:23:04,725 --> 02:23:06,845
a new twist on something that we're trying

2716
02:23:06,845 --> 02:23:08,285
to capture the nostalgia of,

2717
02:23:09,385 --> 02:23:12,685
but also step into a new, a new age, I guess,

2718
02:23:12,705 --> 02:23:14,685
for the cruise downtown.

2719
02:23:14,825 --> 02:23:17,525
So it's gonna be a a four day experience.

2720
02:23:17,985 --> 02:23:21,005
Multi-generational cars of all mix and models.

2721
02:23:22,615 --> 02:23:25,685
We're gonna have celebrity guests at the VIP dinner,

2722
02:23:26,585 --> 02:23:28,245
car clubs from all over the west coast.

2723
02:23:28,985 --> 02:23:31,045
We have car clubs coming all the way from Seattle

2724
02:23:31,465 --> 02:23:34,165
and as far south as Reno

2725
02:23:34,345 --> 02:23:37,685
and California, we're expecting 20,000 people in attendance

2726
02:23:37,685 --> 02:23:41,205
for this and have room for up to 500 cars.

2727
02:23:41,205 --> 02:23:43,565
We're anticipating 400 cars on our inaugural year

2728
02:23:44,125 --> 02:23:46,245
with a projected impact for our community

2729
02:23:46,245 --> 02:23:47,245
of about $2 million.

2730
02:23:49,405 --> 02:23:51,885
The Gates Living Room Invitational gate date

2731
02:23:51,905 --> 02:23:54,525
to be determined sometime probably early October.

2732
02:23:55,325 --> 02:23:56,605
I briefly mentioned this last,

2733
02:23:57,315 --> 02:23:58,845
last year, was very successful.

2734
02:23:58,845 --> 02:24:02,285
We were able to donate $62,000 to the Children's Museum.

2735
02:24:02,945 --> 02:24:07,005
We are looking for more strategic partners, other nonprofits

2736
02:24:07,005 --> 02:24:09,685
that we might be able to boost their efforts.

2737
02:24:09,945 --> 02:24:12,165
And so we want to be able

2738
02:24:12,165 --> 02:24:14,805
to give back in another quality way this year.

2739
02:24:14,865 --> 02:24:17,685
So we're look currently looking for those partners

2740
02:24:17,865 --> 02:24:20,725
and have a goal of fundraising this year of 70,000.

2741
02:24:23,525 --> 02:24:25,405
We want to continue to strengthen our strategic

2742
02:24:25,425 --> 02:24:26,485
and community partnerships.

2743
02:24:27,685 --> 02:24:29,805
I briefly mentioned Slick text earlier.

2744
02:24:30,445 --> 02:24:31,525
We wanna make sure that we are

2745
02:24:31,525 --> 02:24:32,685
able to partner with the city.

2746
02:24:32,745 --> 02:24:36,605
We don't want to be, so we don't want to be

2747
02:24:37,675 --> 02:24:40,125
duplicative duplicitous in our, in our efforts,

2748
02:24:40,185 --> 02:24:42,125
but we also want to be able to boost the,

2749
02:24:43,385 --> 02:24:45,805
the communication efforts that are taking place currently.

2750
02:24:45,975 --> 02:24:47,085
We've identified a gap

2751
02:24:47,085 --> 02:24:49,045
and an opportunity for us to partner strategically

2752
02:24:49,045 --> 02:24:50,765
with our friends at the city as well

2753
02:24:50,765 --> 02:24:52,805
as our other strategic partners to make sure

2754
02:24:53,005 --> 02:24:55,765
that we are pushing out quality communications in a,

2755
02:24:55,765 --> 02:24:56,805
in an accessible way.

2756
02:24:57,585 --> 02:25:00,405
So we're in the part in the process rather

2757
02:25:00,425 --> 02:25:01,565
of deploying slick text.

2758
02:25:02,985 --> 02:25:05,645
We want to connect businesses and local resources

2759
02:25:05,985 --> 02:25:08,165
and with existing city support,

2760
02:25:09,425 --> 02:25:11,765
and we want to continue to advocate for local businesses.

2761
02:25:11,915 --> 02:25:16,525
Also, I had the opportunity to sit on a kind

2762
02:25:16,525 --> 02:25:18,725
of improv two round table

2763
02:25:20,315 --> 02:25:24,325
town hall style format, I guess for the H Street Food

2764
02:25:24,325 --> 02:25:27,045
and Beverages, as well as the other business owners

2765
02:25:27,075 --> 02:25:30,245
that were on H Street from between sixth and fourth.

2766
02:25:30,265 --> 02:25:32,725
And it was an opportunity for them to come together

2767
02:25:32,825 --> 02:25:37,325
and express concerns for the owl lot as well

2768
02:25:37,325 --> 02:25:38,405
as concerns for

2769
02:25:38,745 --> 02:25:40,965
and strategic deployment

2770
02:25:40,965 --> 02:25:43,925
of food trucks downtown at city events.

2771
02:25:43,985 --> 02:25:45,685
So specifically art along the road.

2772
02:25:47,195 --> 02:25:49,285
Through that process, there were several action items

2773
02:25:49,285 --> 02:25:52,205
that came out of that meeting, getting them together

2774
02:25:52,265 --> 02:25:55,125
to create a unified voice to write letters

2775
02:25:56,265 --> 02:25:59,205
and be able to identify what it is that they would like

2776
02:25:59,205 --> 02:26:01,645
to see with these new city developments.

2777
02:26:01,985 --> 02:26:06,205
As well as creating a database of reliable communications,

2778
02:26:06,205 --> 02:26:08,605
both of emails and phone numbers that we might be able

2779
02:26:08,605 --> 02:26:11,325
to reach out to those business owners, keep them apprised

2780
02:26:11,325 --> 02:26:12,685
of information as it comes available,

2781
02:26:13,305 --> 02:26:16,085
and also share correct addresses.

2782
02:26:16,285 --> 02:26:19,645
I know that there's a lot of outreach

2783
02:26:19,645 --> 02:26:23,645
and mailers that have gone out and oftentimes they're sent

2784
02:26:23,645 --> 02:26:27,165
or sent back, and so we have an opportunity to go out

2785
02:26:27,165 --> 02:26:29,485
and do some data collection on behalf of the city to ensure

2786
02:26:29,485 --> 02:26:33,005
that our communications are, are locked in

2787
02:26:33,185 --> 02:26:34,685
and and accurate.

2788
02:26:35,525 --> 02:26:37,045
We wanna continue to support

2789
02:26:37,255 --> 02:26:38,725
small business networking events.

2790
02:26:39,685 --> 02:26:42,005
Recently had an opportunity to present at 1 million Cups

2791
02:26:42,825 --> 02:26:43,925
and through that process,

2792
02:26:44,315 --> 02:26:47,165
main Street has become a supporting sponsor

2793
02:26:47,265 --> 02:26:48,405
of 1 million Cups.

2794
02:26:49,105 --> 02:26:51,325
And then we're also gonna be promoting business education

2795
02:26:51,325 --> 02:26:54,365
events, looking specifically into 2027 opportunities

2796
02:26:54,385 --> 02:26:58,005
to create more leadership style events.

2797
02:26:58,865 --> 02:27:01,885
And but this year in particular, we were recently approached

2798
02:27:01,885 --> 02:27:06,365
by someone who is creating a social media marketing course

2799
02:27:07,105 --> 02:27:09,005
for business owners and small business owners

2800
02:27:09,145 --> 02:27:10,645
STR specifically in the Valley.

2801
02:27:11,465 --> 02:27:13,845
And that's gonna be hosted on the Hi at The Hive

2802
02:27:14,105 --> 02:27:15,325
on June 22nd.

2803
02:27:15,385 --> 02:27:17,645
And so having opportunities to partner with those folks.

2804
02:27:20,075 --> 02:27:22,965
Last thing we want to do is quick membership update.

2805
02:27:23,805 --> 02:27:25,285
I briefly mentioned the,

2806
02:27:25,425 --> 02:27:26,925
the time I've had over the last month.

2807
02:27:27,485 --> 02:27:30,005
Spent a lot of time talking to business owners as a whole

2808
02:27:30,785 --> 02:27:32,205
and, and wanting to understand their

2809
02:27:32,205 --> 02:27:33,605
story, their why, their struggle.

2810
02:27:33,665 --> 02:27:37,325
And through that process obviously was able to hear a lot

2811
02:27:37,325 --> 02:27:39,445
of stories of struggle

2812
02:27:39,465 --> 02:27:42,165
and hardship even though people are feeling

2813
02:27:42,915 --> 02:27:45,205
like they are in a place of, of hardship.

2814
02:27:45,205 --> 02:27:47,085
There's also a lot of optimism around the momentum

2815
02:27:47,085 --> 02:27:50,245
that's happening between, I would say the, the efforts

2816
02:27:50,245 --> 02:27:51,925
that are happening between these

2817
02:27:51,925 --> 02:27:53,125
community partners in the room.

2818
02:27:54,145 --> 02:27:57,245
But we also heard that the Main Street

2819
02:27:58,935 --> 02:28:03,605
membership platform, the way that it was originally created

2820
02:28:04,265 --> 02:28:05,405
was a tiered membership.

2821
02:28:05,625 --> 02:28:09,165
We never wanted to give the appearance of favoritism

2822
02:28:09,185 --> 02:28:11,085
or a pay to play type situation.

2823
02:28:11,405 --> 02:28:12,845
I never want somebody to come to me

2824
02:28:12,945 --> 02:28:14,405
and say, Dan, I would love for you to,

2825
02:28:14,425 --> 02:28:15,445
to promote my business

2826
02:28:15,465 --> 02:28:17,245
and have my response to them be, well,

2827
02:28:17,625 --> 02:28:19,005
for a hundred dollars more a month,

2828
02:28:19,005 --> 02:28:20,165
you could get on our gold plan

2829
02:28:20,165 --> 02:28:21,645
and I'd be happy to boost your business.

2830
02:28:22,865 --> 02:28:24,125
And so we removed that

2831
02:28:24,505 --> 02:28:27,085
by creating a flat rate across the board.

2832
02:28:27,085 --> 02:28:29,045
Whether you're a community member, it's a hundred dollars,

2833
02:28:29,705 --> 02:28:31,445
$200 for downtown merchants

2834
02:28:31,445 --> 02:28:34,005
and $300 annually for property owners.

2835
02:28:34,985 --> 02:28:39,765
And what that does is it, it lowers our barrier for entry.

2836
02:28:39,985 --> 02:28:43,405
So opportunity for business owners and property owners alike

2837
02:28:43,405 --> 02:28:45,085
and community members who want to be involved

2838
02:28:45,785 --> 02:28:47,525
or to donate to the main street cost

2839
02:28:47,525 --> 02:28:49,005
to get in at a reasonable level.

2840
02:28:49,595 --> 02:28:51,965
What that membership affords them is an opportunity

2841
02:28:51,965 --> 02:28:55,565
to have a seat at the table, access to the committees

2842
02:28:55,565 --> 02:29:00,085
that I I referenced, as well as first opportunities

2843
02:29:00,265 --> 02:29:02,605
for participation in our future events.

2844
02:29:02,625 --> 02:29:05,525
So if you want to have ownership in the direction

2845
02:29:05,525 --> 02:29:07,645
of Main Street, this gives you an opportunity to do so.

2846
02:29:08,865 --> 02:29:12,205
Our current membership count today is 34 members strong,

2847
02:29:12,645 --> 02:29:15,565
that is comprised of 28 business owners

2848
02:29:16,425 --> 02:29:19,045
and three property owners.

2849
02:29:19,465 --> 02:29:24,365
And we also have the remaining bit being community members

2850
02:29:24,425 --> 02:29:26,085
who are just believing in

2851
02:29:26,145 --> 02:29:29,445
and are supportive of the Main Street mission.

2852
02:29:30,285 --> 02:29:33,685
I know back in October there was a lot of talk

2853
02:29:33,745 --> 02:29:34,965
and rightfully so,

2854
02:29:35,825 --> 02:29:37,925
and a call rather for the community to kind

2855
02:29:37,925 --> 02:29:39,205
of put their money where their mouth is.

2856
02:29:40,065 --> 02:29:42,325
And I think that, you know, in a, in a single month

2857
02:29:42,585 --> 02:29:45,685
of me being boots on the ground, we've been able to drive

2858
02:29:45,685 --> 02:29:49,725
and even in the last week had nine members sign up

2859
02:29:49,725 --> 02:29:50,725
to be a part of Main Street.

2860
02:29:50,725 --> 02:29:51,645
They're excited about the

2861
02:29:51,845 --> 02:29:52,885
momentum in the direction that we're going.

2862
02:29:53,625 --> 02:29:56,085
And Councilor Pell, I know that you said when we got

2863
02:29:56,085 --> 02:29:58,645
to two dozen members that you would become a member

2864
02:29:58,645 --> 02:30:00,565
and so we're happy to get your membership today,

2865
02:30:02,265 --> 02:30:03,685
but that's all I have for this moment

2866
02:30:04,185 --> 02:30:07,525
and I'm happy to take questions if you have any.

2867
02:30:07,815 --> 02:30:10,965
Thank you. All right. Question for Council Indra.

2868
02:30:13,665 --> 02:30:17,245
Yes. I just have to say this has been a great meeting.

2869
02:30:17,505 --> 02:30:19,525
I'm very uplifted marketing

2870
02:30:19,665 --> 02:30:23,805
and the things that are being done sound so encouraging

2871
02:30:23,825 --> 02:30:25,205
and great for our city.

2872
02:30:25,685 --> 02:30:30,125
I would just caution that talking,

2873
02:30:30,465 --> 02:30:33,965
you know, we want action and data Absolutely.

2874
02:30:33,965 --> 02:30:36,845
To show that what you're telling us is actually occurring.

2875
02:30:36,845 --> 02:30:40,165
Yes. So just keep that in mind as you go through these.

2876
02:30:40,305 --> 02:30:44,245
But the events sound really good and it

2877
02:30:44,305 --> 02:30:47,125
and your membership is, is going up

2878
02:30:47,125 --> 02:30:48,485
and that's what we ask for.

2879
02:30:48,815 --> 02:30:51,565
Prove to us that that membership's going up.

2880
02:30:52,085 --> 02:30:55,725
I guess my main thought going

2881
02:30:55,725 --> 02:30:57,885
through all this are the TLT dollars.

2882
02:30:58,105 --> 02:31:01,445
So Sure. A lot of your events are bringing people

2883
02:31:02,235 --> 02:31:04,885
from 50 miles plus, so I'm wondering

2884
02:31:06,185 --> 02:31:10,405
why you wouldn't get a share of the TLT dollars Main Street

2885
02:31:10,505 --> 02:31:14,005
and, and as you all work together and we increase tourism

2886
02:31:14,545 --> 02:31:18,805
and the TLT dollars, there should be enough to go around.

2887
02:31:19,125 --> 02:31:22,205
I know right now if you get some, someone else doesn't get

2888
02:31:22,225 --> 02:31:25,205
as much, you know, so there is a little bit of competition,

2889
02:31:25,265 --> 02:31:29,045
but I think as the water rises,

2890
02:31:29,145 --> 02:31:30,285
all boats float, right?

2891
02:31:30,285 --> 02:31:33,725
Sure. And so you may be able to even get more money

2892
02:31:34,635 --> 02:31:38,245
without general fund taxpayer dollars ever.

2893
02:31:38,315 --> 02:31:39,885
Yeah. With the TLT.

2894
02:31:39,985 --> 02:31:43,325
So that would be my hope for you all,

2895
02:31:43,825 --> 02:31:45,445
And I'll speak specifically to that.

2896
02:31:45,685 --> 02:31:48,685
I do think that there is a, a lot

2897
02:31:48,745 --> 02:31:51,765
of examples nationwide of cities

2898
02:31:51,905 --> 02:31:54,245
who actually have incorporated the Main Street model into

2899
02:31:54,245 --> 02:31:56,565
their economic development plan.

2900
02:31:56,825 --> 02:32:00,965
But the other, I would say probably 60% of Main Street

2901
02:32:01,555 --> 02:32:02,605
that are successful,

2902
02:32:02,795 --> 02:32:04,805
they do have a vested interest from the city

2903
02:32:04,805 --> 02:32:08,005
because it is a, a community development

2904
02:32:09,515 --> 02:32:12,365
incentive for them to have these districts be protected

2905
02:32:12,465 --> 02:32:13,765
and to be well represented.

2906
02:32:14,565 --> 02:32:16,005
Speaking to TLT dollars.

2907
02:32:16,265 --> 02:32:18,725
Dan and I are, are very collaborative in our efforts

2908
02:32:19,465 --> 02:32:21,445
and we work really hard to make sure that we're not

2909
02:32:21,995 --> 02:32:24,965
duplicating efforts, but we are boosting

2910
02:32:25,165 --> 02:32:26,925
whenever there's an opportunity to do so.

2911
02:32:27,745 --> 02:32:28,805
The efforts of the other.

2912
02:32:29,665 --> 02:32:32,925
So there are a lot of overlap opportunities for us

2913
02:32:33,345 --> 02:32:37,555
and in these, in the events that we're doing in particular,

2914
02:32:38,635 --> 02:32:40,715
I can't necessarily speak to the strategy

2915
02:32:40,715 --> 02:32:42,315
and the deployment of the TOT dollars.

2916
02:32:42,315 --> 02:32:45,675
Right? I do think that Main Street's initial focus is

2917
02:32:45,675 --> 02:32:46,955
to keep our dollars local.

2918
02:32:47,815 --> 02:32:50,715
And so we don't, we are more so promoting the,

2919
02:32:50,735 --> 02:32:53,715
and if you go back to Dan's presentation

2920
02:32:53,715 --> 02:32:55,115
with the concentric circles and,

2921
02:32:55,115 --> 02:32:56,355
and what our focuses are,

2922
02:32:56,375 --> 02:32:58,435
we are focused on Grants Pass as a whole.

2923
02:32:58,435 --> 02:33:00,195
That's where we're gonna be promoting,

2924
02:33:00,655 --> 02:33:02,595
but we will lean heavily on our partners

2925
02:33:03,335 --> 02:33:06,555
and I don't necessarily think that that means that we have

2926
02:33:06,555 --> 02:33:08,955
to take from their funds, however, I mean, happy

2927
02:33:08,955 --> 02:33:11,555
to engage in those conversations in a strategic way. But

2928
02:33:12,015 --> 02:33:14,475
So you're saying that Main Street is going

2929
02:33:14,475 --> 02:33:17,155
to promote just local, not outside the area.

2930
02:33:17,695 --> 02:33:19,035
The focus of Main Street is

2931
02:33:19,035 --> 02:33:21,355
to boost downtown districts in particular.

2932
02:33:21,615 --> 02:33:23,035
So our region, the way

2933
02:33:23,035 --> 02:33:25,315
that we cl we have worked out our district is

2934
02:33:26,785 --> 02:33:29,435
basically C street to the bridge between

2935
02:33:30,215 --> 02:33:32,195
fourth right on G and H,

2936
02:33:32,255 --> 02:33:34,115
but primarily fifth to eighth Street.

2937
02:33:34,495 --> 02:33:36,795
And that would be the downtown district that we're

2938
02:33:36,955 --> 02:33:37,955
Promoted.

2939
02:33:37,955 --> 02:33:40,155
Do you feel that bringing people in from all over would

2940
02:33:40,325 --> 02:33:42,795
boost business downtown? Absolutely.

2941
02:33:42,795 --> 02:33:47,075
Right. Yeah. And and there's no, there's no, there's no

2942
02:33:47,855 --> 02:33:49,395
cap on on the people that we want

2943
02:33:49,395 --> 02:33:50,835
to participate in the events.

2944
02:33:50,835 --> 02:33:54,155
However, we understand that we have a strategic partnership

2945
02:33:54,155 --> 02:33:55,195
with Visit Grants Pass

2946
02:33:55,215 --> 02:33:58,155
and that is their outreach already as well as the Chamber

2947
02:33:58,175 --> 02:34:01,435
of Commerce to, to promote in the community as a whole.

2948
02:34:01,435 --> 02:34:03,635
And so, or sorry, the county as a whole.

2949
02:34:04,735 --> 02:34:08,395
And so of course it would be a, a win for us

2950
02:34:08,395 --> 02:34:09,555
to bring in other folks,

2951
02:34:09,735 --> 02:34:13,875
but that is not our general marketing position.

2952
02:34:14,305 --> 02:34:17,035
Okay. I I just see it going hand in hand

2953
02:34:17,385 --> 02:34:20,325
and a way to, to boost downtown to I

2954
02:34:20,325 --> 02:34:21,325
100% agree with you.

2955
02:34:21,325 --> 02:34:22,925
Okay. And I think that that's something that, I mean,

2956
02:34:22,945 --> 02:34:25,565
he talked a lot about it, Dan did, about how we're,

2957
02:34:25,565 --> 02:34:26,725
we're in lockstep, right?

2958
02:34:26,785 --> 02:34:30,005
And, and we want to make sure that we are working together

2959
02:34:30,145 --> 02:34:31,645
to, to promote each other's things. So,

2960
02:34:32,075 --> 02:34:33,075
Okay.

2961
02:34:33,075 --> 02:34:37,605
And then just a thought as you,

2962
02:34:37,905 --> 02:34:40,605
the events sound amazing and I know they'll grow

2963
02:34:40,605 --> 02:34:41,725
and what great ideas

2964
02:34:42,145 --> 02:34:46,205
and I just know from experience in marketing, it's great

2965
02:34:46,225 --> 02:34:47,765
to do the events and fun

2966
02:34:47,865 --> 02:34:49,485
and the marketer, you're great,

2967
02:34:49,625 --> 02:34:50,885
you know, you're very personable.

2968
02:34:50,965 --> 02:34:54,005
I met you a few times. You go out and do all the talking

2969
02:34:54,625 --> 02:34:57,965
and then where the ball drops is when it's time to record

2970
02:34:58,575 --> 02:35:00,045
notes and data and stuff.

2971
02:35:00,425 --> 02:35:02,765
So I know you'll be on top of that too.

2972
02:35:02,945 --> 02:35:04,285
Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Thank you.

2973
02:35:05,645 --> 02:35:08,205
Joel. Got any questions? No,

2974
02:35:08,285 --> 02:35:09,485
I just appreciate the energy

2975
02:35:09,545 --> 02:35:11,125
and look forward to another cup of coffee.

2976
02:35:11,295 --> 02:35:12,565
Thank you very much. Me too.

2977
02:35:12,795 --> 02:35:15,605
Also, we, you owe us three memberships as well, sir.

2978
02:35:15,925 --> 02:35:17,005
Oh, okay. Okay.

2979
02:35:17,195 --> 02:35:18,405
That sounds good. Okay,

2980
02:35:18,455 --> 02:35:20,125
thank you. We're happy to take them.

2981
02:35:21,125 --> 02:35:24,085
Seth, you got any questions? Victoria? You got questions?

2982
02:35:25,305 --> 02:35:27,165
Hi, thanks for your presentation. Hi Victoria.

2983
02:35:27,365 --> 02:35:29,965
I'm really excited about the, the cruise, the Rogue

2984
02:35:30,905 --> 02:35:34,245
and the projected money into the, that

2985
02:35:34,865 --> 02:35:36,325
was an amazing number.

2986
02:35:36,945 --> 02:35:39,685
And is that going to help fund Main Street?

2987
02:35:40,385 --> 02:35:44,525
So you'll use that to grow, to grow Main Street as well?

2988
02:35:45,085 --> 02:35:46,525
Absolutely. Yeah. The organization, it'll be,

2989
02:35:46,525 --> 02:35:50,205
it'll be a driver financially for us basically

2990
02:35:50,305 --> 02:35:52,405
to continue funding for subsequent years.

2991
02:35:52,465 --> 02:35:54,845
We are a nonprofit though, so we want it to be, we want it

2992
02:35:54,865 --> 02:35:57,165
to zero out at the end of the year, but Oh yeah, absolutely.

2993
02:35:57,165 --> 02:35:59,805
There's a lot of opportunity for us to, to use those dollars

2994
02:35:59,825 --> 02:36:01,365
and I think that there's a lot of partnerships

2995
02:36:01,365 --> 02:36:04,685
that we can identify in the, in the community at large

2996
02:36:04,745 --> 02:36:05,925
to give back to as well.

2997
02:36:06,795 --> 02:36:09,045
Okay, thank you. So good luck.

2998
02:36:09,245 --> 02:36:12,605
I mean I just, that just sounds like a great time

2999
02:36:12,665 --> 02:36:15,685
for the community and so thank thank you for putting

3000
02:36:15,685 --> 02:36:18,485
that all together and having the, just

3001
02:36:18,485 --> 02:36:19,605
what you're talking about, the cars

3002
02:36:19,605 --> 02:36:20,805
that are coming from all over.

3003
02:36:20,825 --> 02:36:24,925
It just sounds really great. So you said you had 34 members

3004
02:36:25,105 --> 02:36:26,285
as of today?

3005
02:36:26,905 --> 02:36:31,085
Yes ma'am. And that's, that's up from what,

3006
02:36:31,665 --> 02:36:33,845
and you said you had nine new members this week.

3007
02:36:33,845 --> 02:36:35,845
That's amazing. Yeah, good job. Thank you.

3008
02:36:35,945 --> 02:36:38,165
And so 34 is up from what?

3009
02:36:38,365 --> 02:36:41,045
'cause I don't remember the last time. I'm sorry. No,

3010
02:36:41,045 --> 02:36:41,685
That's okay. I,

3011
02:36:41,705 --> 02:36:45,485
And then what is your goal for next month?

3012
02:36:45,585 --> 02:36:48,645
Or, or do you have a, a tiered goal or whatever?

3013
02:36:48,955 --> 02:36:51,285
Yeah, I appreciate the, the question.

3014
02:36:52,125 --> 02:36:54,525
I would say we, there are a potential

3015
02:36:54,905 --> 02:36:57,845
for 220 businesses within the district that I defined

3016
02:36:58,825 --> 02:37:01,805
and that is we would love to represent

3017
02:37:02,505 --> 02:37:03,525
all of those businesses.

3018
02:37:03,545 --> 02:37:06,085
We understand when the Town Center Association was most

3019
02:37:06,285 --> 02:37:08,725
thriving, they were upwards of around 170 businesses.

3020
02:37:09,505 --> 02:37:11,765
And so if we can get to, you know, those numbers,

3021
02:37:11,965 --> 02:37:14,325
I feel like we have a really good representation for

3022
02:37:14,435 --> 02:37:15,885
what our downtown district is.

3023
02:37:16,965 --> 02:37:19,445
I would say, you know, goals for the next three months is

3024
02:37:19,445 --> 02:37:21,445
to just duplicate, you know, the works

3025
02:37:21,445 --> 02:37:22,645
that we've done in the last month.

3026
02:37:22,665 --> 02:37:25,685
And so when I started we were at 19

3027
02:37:25,785 --> 02:37:28,405
and so quick math I is is hard for me,

3028
02:37:28,505 --> 02:37:30,205
but I will do my best.

3029
02:37:30,205 --> 02:37:32,525
That sounds like maybe 15 members

3030
02:37:32,525 --> 02:37:33,965
that we gained in this last month.

3031
02:37:34,665 --> 02:37:36,965
And so if we can continue to build those efforts, I think

3032
02:37:36,965 --> 02:37:39,565
that we would be well positioned by the end of the year.

3033
02:37:40,305 --> 02:37:43,085
So. Okay, thank you. Yeah, thank you very much. Thank you.

3034
02:37:43,715 --> 02:37:44,725
Eric, you got any questions?

3035
02:37:45,275 --> 02:37:47,445
Yeah, thank you. Hey, this is, this is great.

3036
02:37:47,645 --> 02:37:49,045
I thank you for the presentation,

3037
02:37:50,545 --> 02:37:53,405
the Gates Living Room Invitational.

3038
02:37:53,665 --> 02:37:56,885
Yes sir. Can you explain a little bit about that?

3039
02:37:57,615 --> 02:38:00,045
Maybe to promote it more, I guess for the,

3040
02:38:00,505 --> 02:38:03,325
for the general public here, I mean $62,000

3041
02:38:03,515 --> 02:38:05,525
that is, that is excellent.

3042
02:38:05,525 --> 02:38:08,205
Yeah. Could you, can you go more into detail about that?

3043
02:38:08,475 --> 02:38:12,645
Yeah, absolutely. So we, we partnered with many sponsors

3044
02:38:13,185 --> 02:38:16,525
to put together a, a mini golf experience inside

3045
02:38:16,525 --> 02:38:17,725
of Gates Home Furnishings.

3046
02:38:17,885 --> 02:38:20,085
He cleared out an entire display room for us

3047
02:38:20,945 --> 02:38:22,725
and I believe it was 18 holes.

3048
02:38:23,545 --> 02:38:27,805
And so that was all money that was generated by people

3049
02:38:27,865 --> 02:38:29,885
who were in attendance who wanted to give

3050
02:38:29,945 --> 02:38:32,605
to the organization.

3051
02:38:32,705 --> 02:38:35,325
So in that particular promotion we were partnered

3052
02:38:35,325 --> 02:38:36,805
with the Children's Museum

3053
02:38:37,665 --> 02:38:40,125
and so that was marketed for the event

3054
02:38:40,385 --> 02:38:43,525
and folks that were there were able to donate to to

3055
02:38:43,525 --> 02:38:47,445
that cause Does that answer your question? Yeah,

3056
02:38:47,445 --> 02:38:48,445
Thank you.

3057
02:38:48,445 --> 02:38:49,245
Yeah, thank you so much. You bet.

3058
02:38:49,385 --> 02:38:51,725
And I haven't been to Coffee with you yet, but I

3059
02:38:52,305 --> 02:38:54,045
I'm looking forward to it. Thank you.

3060
02:38:54,715 --> 02:38:55,765
Rick, do you have any questions?

3061
02:38:56,745 --> 02:38:57,805
Yes, thank you Dan.

3062
02:38:58,325 --> 02:39:02,005
I appreciate the fact you're expanding the audience you're

3063
02:39:02,005 --> 02:39:03,645
looking at in the market and type of thing.

3064
02:39:04,235 --> 02:39:05,525
What is the Cocoa Crawl?

3065
02:39:06,195 --> 02:39:08,525
Yeah, the Coco Crawl was a, it was a fun

3066
02:39:09,075 --> 02:39:12,565
community activation where business owners were out front

3067
02:39:12,705 --> 02:39:16,325
of their businesses and giving out cocoa to the community.

3068
02:39:16,865 --> 02:39:19,765
So it was a, there was an interactive, a map

3069
02:39:19,765 --> 02:39:20,885
or there was a map where all of the,

3070
02:39:20,945 --> 02:39:24,085
the different businesses that were giving out cocoa downtown

3071
02:39:24,185 --> 02:39:27,045
and just a, a fun community activation there.

3072
02:39:27,185 --> 02:39:29,205
So is that done once a year or once a month

3073
02:39:29,225 --> 02:39:30,285
or how does that function?

3074
02:39:30,425 --> 02:39:31,645
It was done annually. Yeah.

3075
02:39:31,645 --> 02:39:33,605
And I, and from memory and,

3076
02:39:33,625 --> 02:39:36,245
and I didn't participate in the, in it last year,

3077
02:39:36,265 --> 02:39:37,525
but from memory it was

3078
02:39:38,105 --> 02:39:39,565
the first Friday that took place in December.

3079
02:39:40,275 --> 02:39:42,125
Okay. The group can correct me if I'm wrong. All

3080
02:39:42,125 --> 02:39:44,405
Right, thank you Rob, you've got questions?

3081
02:39:45,635 --> 02:39:48,365
Yeah, I thought the Coco Crawl was a chamber

3082
02:39:48,415 --> 02:39:49,885
event, was it not?

3083
02:39:51,505 --> 02:39:54,005
The way that I was told about it was that it was a,

3084
02:39:54,005 --> 02:39:56,685
a Main Street event and so I may be misinformed Terry.

3085
02:39:56,745 --> 02:39:59,045
Oh you guys did Lemonade Day. We

3086
02:39:59,075 --> 02:40:00,165
Gave it to Main Street

3087
02:40:00,305 --> 02:40:02,285
to help support their fundraising efforts.

3088
02:40:02,375 --> 02:40:03,285
Thank You. Okay. The first

3089
02:40:03,285 --> 02:40:04,285
year though you did it right?

3090
02:40:04,285 --> 02:40:05,885
Correct. Correct. Okay, thank you.

3091
02:40:06,705 --> 02:40:10,405
So I a a question on the cruise. Yeah.

3092
02:40:10,625 --> 02:40:14,005
So the last few years of the cruise may,

3093
02:40:14,025 --> 02:40:15,285
may have been when we were moving into COVID,

3094
02:40:15,605 --> 02:40:18,605
I can't remember, I don't even know where the cars went

3095
02:40:18,905 --> 02:40:20,245
and I don't think anybody else did either

3096
02:40:20,245 --> 02:40:21,325
because nobody really watched it.

3097
02:40:21,435 --> 02:40:23,925
Sure. So is this cruise actually going to be

3098
02:40:24,595 --> 02:40:27,205
engines on cars driving around up and up six

3099
02:40:27,205 --> 02:40:28,525
and sevens? Is that the plan? Yes

3100
02:40:28,525 --> 02:40:29,525
Sir.

3101
02:40:29,525 --> 02:40:31,245
That is the plan and we're gonna have believe two separate

3102
02:40:31,435 --> 02:40:34,925
cruises, one on a Friday and evening and one on Saturday.

3103
02:40:35,145 --> 02:40:39,565
And then the end of the event we'll also have 200 cars

3104
02:40:39,565 --> 02:40:41,285
that are gonna be taking over Riverside Park

3105
02:40:41,305 --> 02:40:42,325
as an opportunity and a,

3106
02:40:42,325 --> 02:40:44,325
an award ceremony that'll happen on Sunday morning.

3107
02:40:44,665 --> 02:40:46,645
So opportunities to enter, interact with cars.

3108
02:40:46,645 --> 02:40:48,605
There'll also be other activations that'll be happening

3109
02:40:48,605 --> 02:40:49,805
throughout the weekend.

3110
02:40:50,495 --> 02:40:53,845
We're identifying parking lots for these car clubs to meet.

3111
02:40:54,205 --> 02:40:57,165
I know there's a low rider group as well as rat rod ruckus

3112
02:40:57,195 --> 02:40:58,325
that they want to do a bounce

3113
02:40:59,005 --> 02:41:00,605
competition and those types of things.

3114
02:41:00,665 --> 02:41:02,485
And so lots

3115
02:41:02,485 --> 02:41:04,565
of other little micro activations that'll be happening

3116
02:41:04,565 --> 02:41:07,045
around town, but there will be, yeah, a large cruise.

3117
02:41:07,585 --> 02:41:11,205
So you're saying that there's a cruise, a cruise up, up

3118
02:41:11,205 --> 02:41:12,765
and down sixth and seventh on Friday night?

3119
02:41:13,645 --> 02:41:15,765
I believe so sir. Yes. On and on Saturday as well.

3120
02:41:15,905 --> 02:41:17,685
The main cruise is Saturday main cruise. Saturday.

3121
02:41:17,965 --> 02:41:19,605
Saturday. Where, where it would be historic, like

3122
02:41:19,605 --> 02:41:21,565
what you were talking of, what you were thinking about the

3123
02:41:21,565 --> 02:41:23,965
community thinks about where we would be looking at closing

3124
02:41:23,965 --> 02:41:25,125
down sixth and seventh Street.

3125
02:41:25,125 --> 02:41:26,605
Right. They've already had discussions with the city

3126
02:41:26,865 --> 02:41:28,845
and the chief about what that would look like.

3127
02:41:29,345 --> 02:41:30,685
So that would be on a Saturday.

3128
02:41:31,955 --> 02:41:33,245
Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you.

3129
02:41:34,435 --> 02:41:36,085
Alright, thank you Very much. Thank you very much.

3130
02:41:36,195 --> 02:41:38,005
Perfect. Go ahead.

3131
02:41:38,505 --> 02:41:40,525
You got another question? Yeah. Okay, go ahead.

3132
02:41:41,465 --> 02:41:43,125
I'm not sure how this round table works,

3133
02:41:43,265 --> 02:41:46,885
but it's, some of your comments sparked a question for me.

3134
02:41:47,785 --> 02:41:49,885
So the city events, the, the,

3135
02:41:50,065 --> 02:41:53,005
the a couple events the city put on the city

3136
02:41:53,175 --> 02:41:54,405
gives money for that.

3137
02:41:54,625 --> 02:41:58,485
Are you anticipating that those, the city would continue

3138
02:41:58,505 --> 02:42:01,965
to give money to those events that we already do now?

3139
02:42:02,225 --> 02:42:05,885
Or would you eventually not need city money for that?

3140
02:42:06,185 --> 02:42:08,685
Are you specifically referring to art along the rogue AR

3141
02:42:08,745 --> 02:42:10,165
and the Christmas tree lighting?

3142
02:42:10,545 --> 02:42:14,445
Yes. So we are in current conversations with, with the city

3143
02:42:14,665 --> 02:42:16,605
as well as my board of directors

3144
02:42:16,605 --> 02:42:18,285
for taking over those events, but those have not been

3145
02:42:18,285 --> 02:42:19,685
officially been handed over to us.

3146
02:42:19,945 --> 02:42:22,365
We would love to have continued strategic partnership

3147
02:42:22,365 --> 02:42:25,365
with the city, but those conversations are ongoing.

3148
02:42:26,105 --> 02:42:28,805
Is that something you all would like to take on

3149
02:42:28,805 --> 02:42:29,805
Or not?

3150
02:42:29,805 --> 02:42:32,165
I think that that would be a huge, a huge opportunity to do

3151
02:42:32,165 --> 02:42:33,525
so I would be, I would, yeah,

3152
02:42:33,685 --> 02:42:35,485
I would relish the opportunity to do that. It'd be great.

3153
02:42:35,915 --> 02:42:40,365
Okay. And then my last question, we talked about net zero,

3154
02:42:40,705 --> 02:42:44,405
but you do save money in reserve, right?

3155
02:42:44,825 --> 02:42:46,605
Of course. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

3156
02:42:46,755 --> 02:42:49,405
What, what percentage do you have in reserve?

3157
02:42:50,625 --> 02:42:52,285
You know, the, the budget planning

3158
02:42:52,345 --> 02:42:54,885
and the strategic planning for the organization is ongoing

3159
02:42:55,065 --> 02:42:57,845
and so we haven't set aside our earmarked a dollar amount at

3160
02:42:57,845 --> 02:43:00,965
this time, but the hope is

3161
02:43:00,965 --> 02:43:04,045
to have at least six months in reserves at any given point

3162
02:43:04,625 --> 02:43:06,205
to kind of float us through any,

3163
02:43:06,265 --> 02:43:07,645
any hardships that we might experience.

3164
02:43:07,875 --> 02:43:10,565
Okay. I, I didn't see it on the the list,

3165
02:43:10,705 --> 02:43:12,085
So I wanted to make sure you

3166
02:43:12,085 --> 02:43:13,805
Weren't going zero every year.

3167
02:43:13,805 --> 02:43:15,925
I can't speak, I can't speak to super specifics on it

3168
02:43:15,925 --> 02:43:18,365
either, which is why I chose not to include it.

3169
02:43:18,515 --> 02:43:21,085
Yeah. With the organization being so new, there is a lot

3170
02:43:21,085 --> 02:43:23,485
of groundwork that we're trying to lay right now.

3171
02:43:23,935 --> 02:43:25,365
Great, thank you. You Bet. Thank you.

3172
02:43:26,905 --> 02:43:27,905
All right, thank you very much. Anybody

3173
02:43:27,905 --> 02:43:28,845
Else?

3174
02:43:28,845 --> 02:43:28,925
Okay, thank you.

3175
02:43:30,025 --> 02:43:33,965
All right, next on the agenda, we're going

3176
02:43:33,965 --> 02:43:35,205
to Council meeting protocol

3177
02:43:35,425 --> 02:43:36,525
or did you switch it? We're doing,

3178
02:43:36,665 --> 02:43:38,405
We switch it to Reinhart Volunteer.

3179
02:43:38,755 --> 02:43:41,525
Okay. So we're gonna have some discussion in regards

3180
02:43:41,545 --> 02:43:45,605
to Reinhardt Volunteer Volunteer Park pump track.

3181
02:44:33,265 --> 02:44:36,845
All right. Good afternoon Mayor Council Josh Hopkins Park

3182
02:44:36,845 --> 02:44:40,565
Superintendent here to talk about pump track options.

3183
02:44:41,915 --> 02:44:44,285
This is in relation to Reinhardt volunteer park,

3184
02:44:44,345 --> 02:44:46,165
fly fishing pond and everything else that goes with that.

3185
02:44:47,225 --> 02:44:49,845
So subject to summary review, pump track options

3186
02:44:49,905 --> 02:44:52,645
for development and locations within city parks.

3187
02:44:52,755 --> 02:44:55,325
This is in relationship to council goal of infrastructure.

3188
02:44:57,305 --> 02:45:00,605
For the background at the January 5th, 2020, sorry, sorry.

3189
02:45:01,105 --> 02:45:03,565
Second. Okay guys can you, can you look right

3190
02:45:03,565 --> 02:45:05,565
through the door and then we we're

3191
02:45:05,565 --> 02:45:06,605
kind of having a hard up Joel.

3192
02:45:07,195 --> 02:45:10,725
Joel conversations need to be out the door

3193
02:45:10,825 --> 02:45:12,885
or in here like just you're kind of interrupting.

3194
02:45:12,885 --> 02:45:14,285
Sorry, go ahead.

3195
02:45:14,775 --> 02:45:18,845
Thank you. At the January 5th, 2026 City Council

3196
02:45:19,445 --> 02:45:22,165
Workshop Council reviewed the parks advisory committee

3197
02:45:22,165 --> 02:45:25,125
motion for repurposing the fly fishing pond at Reinhardt

3198
02:45:25,125 --> 02:45:27,565
Volunteer Park into a natural playground.

3199
02:45:27,575 --> 02:45:29,365
Based on the results from a community survey,

3200
02:45:30,065 --> 02:45:33,965
the survey listed other as the top response followed

3201
02:45:34,025 --> 02:45:35,125
by natural playground.

3202
02:45:35,225 --> 02:45:38,245
The majority of people that chose the other indicated a pump

3203
02:45:38,255 --> 02:45:40,525
track or some variation of pump track.

3204
02:45:40,665 --> 02:45:41,965
As their write-in preference,

3205
02:45:42,715 --> 02:45:44,925
city council reviewed the material and

3206
02:45:45,125 --> 02:45:46,405
provided direction to bring back an

3207
02:45:46,405 --> 02:45:47,645
actual playground options.

3208
02:45:48,195 --> 02:45:49,285
Shortly thereafter,

3209
02:45:49,475 --> 02:45:52,125
some counselors expressed interest in revisiting the

3210
02:45:52,125 --> 02:45:53,885
discussion and evaluating the development

3211
02:45:53,885 --> 02:45:55,565
of a pump track at this location.

3212
02:45:59,025 --> 02:46:01,565
So here's an example of what a pump track looks like.

3213
02:46:01,705 --> 02:46:03,605
One of the questions we keep getting asked is,

3214
02:46:03,605 --> 02:46:05,525
what exactly are these types of tracks?

3215
02:46:05,525 --> 02:46:08,765
And I've been ex describing them as being asphalt.

3216
02:46:08,765 --> 02:46:11,405
Some of them are modular, some of them are DEG.

3217
02:46:11,795 --> 02:46:15,085
This is an asphalt pump track in Erie, Colorado.

3218
02:46:15,795 --> 02:46:18,365
It's got rollers bumps, burn turns,

3219
02:46:18,985 --> 02:46:21,005
and then straight sections that you can ride on.

3220
02:46:21,385 --> 02:46:23,165
The idea is it allows kids

3221
02:46:23,185 --> 02:46:26,245
to basically race on these on any form of pedal craft

3222
02:46:26,705 --> 02:46:29,765
as well as just practice so that they can get more advanced

3223
02:46:29,905 --> 02:46:34,285
to go into the actual type of racing circuits they have

3224
02:46:34,285 --> 02:46:35,725
for these types of activities.

3225
02:46:36,395 --> 02:46:38,845
This one is about 20,000 square feet.

3226
02:46:40,975 --> 02:46:42,165
Staff did contract

3227
02:46:42,625 --> 02:46:44,205
or contact a number of companies

3228
02:46:44,205 --> 02:46:46,685
that do specialize in pump track installation

3229
02:46:46,685 --> 02:46:49,045
and design pump track's cost

3230
02:46:49,675 --> 02:46:52,285
vary greatly based on the magnitude of scale

3231
02:46:52,745 --> 02:46:54,445
and the experience desired.

3232
02:46:54,835 --> 02:46:58,485
Basically if you're using asphalt DG

3233
02:46:58,785 --> 02:47:00,645
or modular, each one of these all come

3234
02:47:00,645 --> 02:47:03,845
with eight different costs associated for the material,

3235
02:47:04,225 --> 02:47:07,285
but also the size alone really increases cost

3236
02:47:07,505 --> 02:47:09,445
and the type of experience you're wanting.

3237
02:47:09,955 --> 02:47:13,845
More advanced tracks cost more money, more you know,

3238
02:47:13,985 --> 02:47:15,445
un advance tracks or less.

3239
02:47:16,185 --> 02:47:19,165
The recommended size from one of the manufacturers

3240
02:47:19,165 --> 02:47:21,645
that works on these throughout the nation was

3241
02:47:21,645 --> 02:47:23,165
20,000 square feet.

3242
02:47:23,355 --> 02:47:26,565
This would allow for a beginner track section along

3243
02:47:26,565 --> 02:47:29,045
with progressive elements for more advanced riders

3244
02:47:29,105 --> 02:47:30,125
and competition.

3245
02:47:31,185 --> 02:47:33,885
The cost estimate for one around 20,000 square feet,

3246
02:47:33,885 --> 02:47:36,405
they put at 750 to a million dollars,

3247
02:47:37,575 --> 02:47:39,445
750,000 to a million dollars.

3248
02:47:40,075 --> 02:47:43,565
With that 10,000 square foot is the minimum required

3249
02:47:43,625 --> 02:47:45,445
for the competition level tracks.

3250
02:47:45,905 --> 02:47:47,525
So if we are looking to build one

3251
02:47:47,585 --> 02:47:50,165
and we're wanting it to be a track that draws tourism

3252
02:47:50,465 --> 02:47:52,965
or anything like that, we'd really want to build it to

3253
02:47:52,965 --> 02:47:55,685
that competition level so that there is things

3254
02:47:55,685 --> 02:47:57,245
that draw people to this location.

3255
02:47:58,605 --> 02:48:00,885
Anywhere we put one of these punk tracks, it's going

3256
02:48:00,885 --> 02:48:02,005
to bring people into it.

3257
02:48:02,035 --> 02:48:04,805
It's just a matter, it's the type of size and skill level

3258
02:48:05,225 --> 02:48:07,925
and uniqueness that's gonna bring in people from over 50

3259
02:48:07,925 --> 02:48:10,205
miles away or is it just a local attraction

3260
02:48:10,825 --> 02:48:12,805
So bigger the better for tourism.

3261
02:48:16,395 --> 02:48:17,565
Just a couple examples.

3262
02:48:17,745 --> 02:48:20,805
In Redmond, Oregon, they've got a 20,000 square foot pump

3263
02:48:20,805 --> 02:48:22,525
track is the one you can see right off the road.

3264
02:48:23,065 --> 02:48:24,965
It is very used and very popular.

3265
02:48:25,625 --> 02:48:27,885
The one that kind of I think spurred a lot

3266
02:48:27,885 --> 02:48:29,725
of people wanting a pump track is the one

3267
02:48:29,725 --> 02:48:31,685
that was built in Crescent City about a year ago.

3268
02:48:31,995 --> 02:48:33,805
That one is 18,000 square feet

3269
02:48:34,265 --> 02:48:36,405
and it costs just under 600,000.

3270
02:48:37,845 --> 02:48:39,325
Oregon was originally planning

3271
02:48:39,345 --> 02:48:43,365
to do a 12,000 square foot pump track for about 430,000.

3272
02:48:43,755 --> 02:48:46,485
They just decided to do a 10,000 square foot one

3273
02:48:46,825 --> 02:48:49,205
and put 365,000 on it.

3274
02:48:49,645 --> 02:48:51,005
I saw a couple of other examples

3275
02:48:51,005 --> 02:48:52,725
and they're all kind of around that range for that.

3276
02:48:52,725 --> 02:48:56,285
You know, 10,000 to 7,000, it tends to be

3277
02:48:56,865 --> 02:49:01,485
around $400,000, 10,000 like 15 thousand's kind

3278
02:49:01,485 --> 02:49:05,005
of going up to around that 500,600,000 range.

3279
02:49:05,025 --> 02:49:07,405
And then once you get over that 18 to 20,

3280
02:49:07,785 --> 02:49:10,685
that's when you really start seeing the cost increase

3281
02:49:10,885 --> 02:49:11,805
'cause that's when you're adding more

3282
02:49:11,805 --> 02:49:13,405
technical features at that point.

3283
02:49:16,425 --> 02:49:19,845
So here's the location from the survey in the orange square,

3284
02:49:20,075 --> 02:49:21,805
this is the fly fishing pond itself.

3285
02:49:21,875 --> 02:49:23,765
It's about 7,500 square feet

3286
02:49:24,465 --> 02:49:27,085
and that's what was reported in the survey was it was a

3287
02:49:27,085 --> 02:49:28,325
7,500 square foot area.

3288
02:49:29,465 --> 02:49:32,525
The red is what we could potentially do if you wanted

3289
02:49:32,525 --> 02:49:35,605
to build a 20,000 square foot pump track in this location.

3290
02:49:36,435 --> 02:49:37,725
With that we would need

3291
02:49:37,725 --> 02:49:40,245
to remove several memorial trees benches

3292
02:49:40,665 --> 02:49:43,285
and it pretty much takes over the entire grass area

3293
02:49:43,345 --> 02:49:44,445
in this section of the park.

3294
02:49:45,265 --> 02:49:48,805
It is also really close to the Reinhardt Memorial Grove

3295
02:49:48,945 --> 02:49:50,525
and we do have lake tree protection

3296
02:49:50,535 --> 02:49:51,605
zones and things like that.

3297
02:49:52,145 --> 02:49:53,965
So if counsel was interested in this,

3298
02:49:53,965 --> 02:49:55,205
we'd need to really look at that.

3299
02:49:55,745 --> 02:49:56,885
The other issue we have

3300
02:49:56,885 --> 02:49:59,605
with this is this whole area the park turns out is in the

3301
02:49:59,645 --> 02:50:03,365
floodway and with the way FEMA is funded right now,

3302
02:50:03,555 --> 02:50:04,885
there's not a lot of stability

3303
02:50:05,345 --> 02:50:08,085
and we're not really sure if we're able to submit the type

3304
02:50:08,085 --> 02:50:11,245
of development documents we would typically do to allow

3305
02:50:11,245 --> 02:50:12,485
for this in FEMA

3306
02:50:12,515 --> 02:50:14,645
because we don't know if there's anyone actually

3307
02:50:14,645 --> 02:50:15,725
working on these right now.

3308
02:50:16,465 --> 02:50:18,645
So if counsel was interested in this,

3309
02:50:19,005 --> 02:50:21,525
the FEMA issue would probably be a good workshop topic

3310
02:50:21,525 --> 02:50:23,365
someday because there's other options

3311
02:50:23,365 --> 02:50:24,525
council could look to do.

3312
02:50:25,085 --> 02:50:26,165
'cause if we're running into this,

3313
02:50:26,165 --> 02:50:27,485
other people in our community have

3314
02:50:27,485 --> 02:50:28,525
to be running into it as well.

3315
02:50:29,725 --> 02:50:31,645
If council was interested in moving forward

3316
02:50:31,645 --> 02:50:33,485
with this project at this point,

3317
02:50:33,525 --> 02:50:35,405
I don't know if we can even do a natural playground here

3318
02:50:35,405 --> 02:50:37,485
because we don't know what's going on with fema.

3319
02:50:38,995 --> 02:50:41,405
Council could do a text amendment

3320
02:50:41,785 --> 02:50:44,685
and basically say we're not gonna use FEMA guidelines until

3321
02:50:44,685 --> 02:50:45,685
after they stabilize.

3322
02:50:49,065 --> 02:50:51,365
Here's some of the other park areas we've talked about

3323
02:50:51,545 --> 02:50:52,845
for pump track locations.

3324
02:50:53,155 --> 02:50:54,925
This one is the west side of Riverside Park.

3325
02:50:55,345 --> 02:50:57,525
We have a lot of room out here

3326
02:50:57,585 --> 02:50:59,205
to potentially build a pump track.

3327
02:51:00,105 --> 02:51:04,245
It is in the flood plain but not the flood way,

3328
02:51:04,265 --> 02:51:06,285
but it's less of an issue with the FEMA side.

3329
02:51:06,755 --> 02:51:09,045
We'd simply just go through a mitigation process

3330
02:51:09,545 --> 02:51:11,605
and work with a fish biologist on that.

3331
02:51:11,605 --> 02:51:13,645
Similar, what we did with the Riverside Park stage,

3332
02:51:14,715 --> 02:51:17,805
this would allow for over a 20,000 square foot pump track.

3333
02:51:18,445 --> 02:51:19,685
Additionally, one other issue

3334
02:51:19,755 --> 02:51:21,405
that we here at Riverside Park a lot

3335
02:51:21,405 --> 02:51:23,205
for our special events is a lack of parking.

3336
02:51:23,705 --> 02:51:26,285
We could also include a parking lot into this location

3337
02:51:26,345 --> 02:51:29,165
as well to help with the other special events that occur.

3338
02:51:30,525 --> 02:51:32,325
This would require some tree removal

3339
02:51:32,505 --> 02:51:35,605
and likely the removal of the disc golf course,

3340
02:51:35,735 --> 02:51:37,965
which has been moved around three

3341
02:51:37,965 --> 02:51:39,845
or four times since it was incepted.

3342
02:51:40,875 --> 02:51:44,045
This particular location does have URA

3343
02:51:44,045 --> 02:51:45,285
funding as a potential.

3344
02:51:45,495 --> 02:51:48,765
There was 1.2 million identified in the URA budget

3345
02:51:48,865 --> 02:51:50,805
to go towards Riverside Park improvements.

3346
02:51:51,195 --> 02:51:54,165
Some of it is being used for the Riverside stage.

3347
02:51:54,665 --> 02:51:56,645
I'm not really sure what type of balance we have at this

3348
02:51:56,645 --> 02:51:59,285
point, but there could potentially be some funding available

3349
02:51:59,285 --> 02:52:00,445
through the URA for that.

3350
02:52:01,065 --> 02:52:03,205
And the other thing with it right on the other side

3351
02:52:03,205 --> 02:52:04,405
of the bridge next to sixth Street,

3352
02:52:04,465 --> 02:52:06,125
you know it's right down the highway there.

3353
02:52:06,555 --> 02:52:08,205
It's pretty easy access no matter

3354
02:52:08,205 --> 02:52:09,885
what exit you're getting off of the freeway

3355
02:52:10,025 --> 02:52:11,045
to come to this location.

3356
02:52:12,755 --> 02:52:16,125
Gilbert Creek Parks Ballfield is another location

3357
02:52:16,235 --> 02:52:19,285
that the parks committee talked about back in 2019.

3358
02:52:20,235 --> 02:52:22,445
They've been talking about pump tracks for many,

3359
02:52:22,445 --> 02:52:24,445
many years with that.

3360
02:52:24,445 --> 02:52:27,445
At the time it was being used about 200 times a year

3361
02:52:27,905 --> 02:52:30,885
and they didn't think it was, they thought it was enough use

3362
02:52:30,905 --> 02:52:32,485
to not really explore this option.

3363
02:52:32,945 --> 02:52:35,445
The use of the just field has decreased drastically.

3364
02:52:36,075 --> 02:52:38,485
Part of it's because of the drainage in the outfield makes

3365
02:52:38,485 --> 02:52:41,325
it so it's kind of not usable for half the season,

3366
02:52:41,655 --> 02:52:44,205
which we talked about addressing in a different project.

3367
02:52:44,865 --> 02:52:48,285
But also people really are enjoying using RVP

3368
02:52:48,345 --> 02:52:50,285
for little leagues and the other teams that used

3369
02:52:50,285 --> 02:52:51,285
to frequent this field.

3370
02:52:52,945 --> 02:52:56,085
The field uses at this point has decreased to the point to

3371
02:52:56,085 --> 02:52:58,365
where last year there were 18 reservations.

3372
02:52:59,285 --> 02:53:03,765
The year before there were 54 and in 2023 there were 109.

3373
02:53:04,355 --> 02:53:06,165
This year it looks like we have 14 people

3374
02:53:06,165 --> 02:53:08,205
that have reserved the field so far to this point,

3375
02:53:09,275 --> 02:53:13,245
this location has the school district lease so we'd need

3376
02:53:13,245 --> 02:53:14,445
to work with them to get agreement

3377
02:53:14,585 --> 02:53:16,205
to repurpose this for a pump track.

3378
02:53:16,985 --> 02:53:20,125
One nice thing about this location is we'd actually be able

3379
02:53:20,145 --> 02:53:24,485
to extend out fencing to make it so that's a fenced in area.

3380
02:53:24,915 --> 02:53:27,565
It's at the part of town where Dollar Mountain is as well.

3381
02:53:27,985 --> 02:53:30,165
So it kind of creates that biking circuit up there.

3382
02:53:30,745 --> 02:53:32,805
It is adjacent to a school property

3383
02:53:32,865 --> 02:53:34,045
so children would still be able

3384
02:53:34,045 --> 02:53:36,005
to use it from the school if they'd like to go over there.

3385
02:53:36,905 --> 02:53:41,645
And in general it's right at a nice centralized

3386
02:53:41,645 --> 02:53:42,725
neighborhood type area.

3387
02:53:42,795 --> 02:53:44,605
There's, you know, homes all around this

3388
02:53:44,605 --> 02:53:48,445
that could benefit from this Fruit.

3389
02:53:48,605 --> 02:53:50,525
Dale Park has two potential locations.

3390
02:53:51,165 --> 02:53:53,765
Again, one in the red square is about

3391
02:53:53,795 --> 02:53:56,285
15,000 square feet.

3392
02:53:56,555 --> 02:53:58,085
This would be an option. It's right next

3393
02:53:58,085 --> 02:54:00,165
to Fruit Dale Elementary School, which would be nice

3394
02:54:00,185 --> 02:54:02,605
for them programmatically for what they do with their kids.

3395
02:54:02,995 --> 02:54:04,565
They use our field quite a bit.

3396
02:54:05,025 --> 02:54:07,365
And then in the orange squares

3397
02:54:07,365 --> 02:54:10,325
where you could potentially build a larger 20,000 square

3398
02:54:10,325 --> 02:54:11,685
foot pump track.

3399
02:54:11,715 --> 02:54:14,165
This location used to be called a practice field

3400
02:54:14,265 --> 02:54:17,405
for like little league football and things like that,

3401
02:54:17,465 --> 02:54:19,125
but it's not really used for that anymore.

3402
02:54:19,625 --> 02:54:21,725
And that would just require some tree removal

3403
02:54:22,345 --> 02:54:23,605
for the red square area.

3404
02:54:23,785 --> 02:54:26,205
We would need to look at doing some sort of fencing

3405
02:54:26,205 --> 02:54:27,405
around the playground itself

3406
02:54:27,425 --> 02:54:28,965
to provide a little bit of a separation.

3407
02:54:31,755 --> 02:54:32,965
Then there's Beacon Hill Park.

3408
02:54:33,225 --> 02:54:35,405
You guys talked a lot about this at the last meeting.

3409
02:54:35,705 --> 02:54:38,525
Beacon Hill, since it's a blank space, has plenty of room

3410
02:54:38,525 --> 02:54:40,685
to develop any size pump track you'd want.

3411
02:54:43,465 --> 02:54:46,725
So for cost implications we've got potential revenue from

3412
02:54:46,725 --> 02:54:49,925
the lodging tax and to me that really depends on the size

3413
02:54:49,925 --> 02:54:52,565
of pump track you'd like to build as well as the location.

3414
02:54:53,265 --> 02:54:55,685
I'm of the mindset if we're building a large pump track

3415
02:54:55,685 --> 02:54:58,125
that's going to be able to be used for national

3416
02:54:58,145 --> 02:55:00,005
and international events and things like that.

3417
02:55:00,255 --> 02:55:03,965
Definitely we could say TLT is something that would be

3418
02:55:04,965 --> 02:55:06,965
eligible for it kind of regardless of location.

3419
02:55:07,195 --> 02:55:10,525
However, if we're building a small 7,500 square foot pump

3420
02:55:10,525 --> 02:55:12,685
track somewhere, that's gonna be mainly a

3421
02:55:12,685 --> 02:55:13,965
local use type of a thing.

3422
02:55:13,965 --> 02:55:14,965
And it's not the type of feature

3423
02:55:14,965 --> 02:55:16,165
that's gonna draw people in.

3424
02:55:16,975 --> 02:55:20,885
There is the potential to use URA funding at Riverside only.

3425
02:55:21,625 --> 02:55:23,925
And then we've got park specific LB funding

3426
02:55:23,925 --> 02:55:26,445
through our different LB codes that we could look to shift

3427
02:55:26,445 --> 02:55:28,125
around if council so chose.

3428
02:55:28,835 --> 02:55:29,925
There's always the option

3429
02:55:29,925 --> 02:55:32,085
of council deciding they're really engaged in a project

3430
02:55:32,185 --> 02:55:33,925
and trying to find additional general fund

3431
02:55:34,165 --> 02:55:35,285
resource 'cause we support that.

3432
02:55:35,705 --> 02:55:36,965
And then staff resources are

3433
02:55:36,965 --> 02:55:38,125
kind of mixed into everything we do.

3434
02:55:40,445 --> 02:55:43,405
Expenses, counsel's, discretion, it really depends on size

3435
02:55:43,405 --> 02:55:45,965
and experience you're looking for as well as you know,

3436
02:55:45,965 --> 02:55:48,485
some expense based on location.

3437
02:55:50,545 --> 02:55:53,725
So at this point we need direction on whether

3438
02:55:53,725 --> 02:55:55,405
or not you're actually interested in continuing

3439
02:55:55,405 --> 02:55:56,885
to review pump tracks right now.

3440
02:55:57,505 --> 02:55:59,165
If you have a preferred location

3441
02:55:59,225 --> 02:56:01,125
or if you've got a couple locations you'd like more

3442
02:56:01,125 --> 02:56:03,085
information about the size

3443
02:56:03,085 --> 02:56:04,725
and experience council would prefer

3444
02:56:05,305 --> 02:56:08,005
and the amount council is interested in funding as well

3445
02:56:08,005 --> 02:56:09,645
as alternative funding options

3446
02:56:10,265 --> 02:56:11,765
for alternative funding options.

3447
02:56:11,785 --> 02:56:13,165
You know, if council decided you wanted

3448
02:56:13,165 --> 02:56:15,485
to spend X amount on a pump track at this location,

3449
02:56:16,305 --> 02:56:19,725
but only if a community group fundraised or sponsored

3450
02:56:19,825 --> 02:56:21,845
or things like that to bring in extra dollars

3451
02:56:21,905 --> 02:56:23,525
to help support the development of this

3452
02:56:24,225 --> 02:56:26,765
or potentially state park grants and things like that.

3453
02:56:27,445 --> 02:56:29,965
Gilbert Creek is not eligible for state park grants

3454
02:56:29,965 --> 02:56:32,565
because the lease term is 10 years and not 25 years.

3455
02:56:32,795 --> 02:56:34,205
Something next time we look at

3456
02:56:34,205 --> 02:56:36,725
that lease we should work on getting addressed.

3457
02:56:38,165 --> 02:56:40,845
Alternative would be to move this to an additional workshop.

3458
02:56:41,205 --> 02:56:43,085
Assuming you've gotten more information you'd like

3459
02:56:43,085 --> 02:56:44,685
to hear about contracts from us

3460
02:56:45,465 --> 02:56:47,485
and yeah, that's what I've got for you.

3461
02:56:48,815 --> 02:56:51,525
Thank you Josh. Questions from counsel Rob.

3462
02:56:53,705 --> 02:56:57,565
Thanks Josh. So if we're looking at

3463
02:56:58,825 --> 02:57:02,885
the Beacon Hill site to bring it up just to the,

3464
02:57:02,895 --> 02:57:05,445
we'll say the initiation level, the other,

3465
02:57:05,745 --> 02:57:08,645
the other park sites all have infrastructure in place

3466
02:57:08,645 --> 02:57:11,805
and they have some degree of parking, et cetera, et cetera.

3467
02:57:12,185 --> 02:57:16,565
So what would it cost to bring the Beacon Hill site up

3468
02:57:16,825 --> 02:57:19,365
to the initiation level, if you understand

3469
02:57:19,365 --> 02:57:22,525
what I mean when we talk about a pump track being 750,000

3470
02:57:22,525 --> 02:57:24,085
or maybe a million dollars, maybe less,

3471
02:57:25,105 --> 02:57:26,925
but that's in, that's that's on a site

3472
02:57:26,925 --> 02:57:30,845
that is already basically ready to go

3473
02:57:30,905 --> 02:57:32,325
and it's got infrastructure.

3474
02:57:32,465 --> 02:57:36,085
So where, how much extra does it, does it cost

3475
02:57:36,085 --> 02:57:37,765
to get Beacon Hill started on that

3476
02:57:37,945 --> 02:57:39,005
and bring it up to that level?

3477
02:57:39,625 --> 02:57:42,285
So if I'm remembering the numbers from the last meeting

3478
02:57:42,385 --> 02:57:44,565
two weeks ago or so, when we talked about Beacon Hill,

3479
02:57:44,565 --> 02:57:45,965
we talked about phase one costing

3480
02:57:45,965 --> 02:57:47,085
somewhere around a million dollars.

3481
02:57:47,635 --> 02:57:51,205
That would be for like instituting the pathways, the

3482
02:57:52,635 --> 02:57:55,365
parking lot as well as you know like irrigation,

3483
02:57:55,395 --> 02:57:57,605
site furnishing, things like that to go along with it.

3484
02:57:58,065 --> 02:58:00,205
So you'd have that million dollar kind of estimate

3485
02:58:00,205 --> 02:58:01,765
for the upfront cost plus

3486
02:58:02,565 --> 02:58:05,165
whatever size pump track you guys would like to go forward

3487
02:58:05,195 --> 02:58:06,445
with as cost to.

3488
02:58:06,545 --> 02:58:10,365
So you're looking, you know, 1.5 to potentially two

3489
02:58:10,825 --> 02:58:13,925
So so an additional million basically if it was

3490
02:58:13,925 --> 02:58:15,165
that site, beacon Hill.

3491
02:58:15,545 --> 02:58:19,645
But in addition we'd potentially be getting walking paths

3492
02:58:19,745 --> 02:58:22,045
and things of that nature in addition to the parking

3493
02:58:22,345 --> 02:58:24,085
and possibly bathrooms or whatever.

3494
02:58:24,315 --> 02:58:26,605
Yeah, you'd basically be getting a fully

3495
02:58:27,045 --> 02:58:28,085
functional park at that point.

3496
02:58:28,275 --> 02:58:30,925
Just less amenities if you went that route.

3497
02:58:30,955 --> 02:58:33,565
Your main amenity and draw would be the pump track.

3498
02:58:34,025 --> 02:58:36,565
As far as restrooms, that would probably be a phase two.

3499
02:58:36,705 --> 02:58:38,845
If we were to build a facility like this,

3500
02:58:38,875 --> 02:58:40,885
we'd probably start off with like a portable toilet

3501
02:58:40,885 --> 02:58:42,045
with like a surround type

3502
02:58:42,045 --> 02:58:43,485
of a thing like other communities do.

3503
02:58:44,785 --> 02:58:47,285
And on the the fruit Dale Park,

3504
02:58:47,965 --> 02:58:52,285
I think you mentioned the orange rectangle was,

3505
02:58:52,645 --> 02:58:54,205
I think you said 20,000 square feet.

3506
02:58:54,845 --> 02:58:56,725
It's a little over 20,000 square feet.

3507
02:58:56,725 --> 02:58:58,805
This was just measured through our arc site.

3508
02:58:58,805 --> 02:59:01,205
But yeah you do have the ability to build up

3509
02:59:01,205 --> 02:59:02,485
that location as well.

3510
02:59:03,345 --> 02:59:06,085
And then there is a smaller parking lot on one side

3511
02:59:06,145 --> 02:59:08,365
and then street parking and yeah

3512
02:59:09,665 --> 02:59:12,245
And the red, the red triangle was how many square feet?

3513
02:59:12,435 --> 02:59:14,965
That one was about 15,000 square feet.

3514
02:59:15,345 --> 02:59:17,685
And that's a spot where we don't have anything developed.

3515
02:59:17,685 --> 02:59:19,325
We've talked about putting sports courts

3516
02:59:19,325 --> 02:59:21,485
and things like that back there 'cause it's very level.

3517
02:59:22,365 --> 02:59:24,565
Another option that we haven't really looked at would be

3518
02:59:24,565 --> 02:59:25,805
like a modular pump track.

3519
02:59:25,805 --> 02:59:27,445
They're just typically a lot smaller

3520
02:59:27,795 --> 02:59:29,085
that could potentially go there.

3521
02:59:29,085 --> 02:59:30,285
They are just a lot cheaper.

3522
02:59:30,955 --> 02:59:34,165
They range from like 50,000 to a hundred thousand

3523
02:59:34,185 --> 02:59:35,365
but they're made out of plastic

3524
02:59:36,225 --> 02:59:39,005
and so they've got like only a five year warranty.

3525
02:59:39,265 --> 02:59:42,965
So, so regardless of where it goes, if, if we were

3526
02:59:42,965 --> 02:59:47,205
to decide on a, a competition level track

3527
02:59:47,315 --> 02:59:50,845
that would potentially be attractive for tourism

3528
02:59:52,225 --> 02:59:56,845
but regardless of on on a track of

3529
02:59:56,845 --> 02:59:59,525
that size, how many parking spaces would we need?

3530
03:00:01,005 --> 03:00:03,005
I don't know. That's,

3531
03:00:03,005 --> 03:00:04,445
that's pretty critical I guess, right?

3532
03:00:05,525 --> 03:00:06,805
I think it just depends.

3533
03:00:06,965 --> 03:00:08,245
I don't know if there's even a metric

3534
03:00:08,245 --> 03:00:09,725
for saying if your pump track is this size,

3535
03:00:09,725 --> 03:00:11,085
you need this many parking spaces.

3536
03:00:11,625 --> 03:00:14,005
I'm sorry say that again. I'm not sure if there's a

3537
03:00:14,005 --> 03:00:17,445
metric that says if your pump track is this size you need X

3538
03:00:17,445 --> 03:00:19,645
amount of parking spaces generally

3539
03:00:19,665 --> 03:00:22,685
for parking spaces we're looking at like restrooms

3540
03:00:22,785 --> 03:00:24,965
and things like that that kind of dictate the minimums.

3541
03:00:25,035 --> 03:00:26,885
Well I guess, I guess my point is it's not a question

3542
03:00:26,885 --> 03:00:29,765
of any kind of mandate from the state or city ordinance.

3543
03:00:30,105 --> 03:00:32,005
I'm just saying realistically we need

3544
03:00:32,005 --> 03:00:33,525
parking at a track like this.

3545
03:00:34,105 --> 03:00:37,245
So I'm just, 'cause I don't know, I've never been to a,

3546
03:00:37,505 --> 03:00:40,285
an event so to speak, a, a competition event.

3547
03:00:40,665 --> 03:00:41,805
How many people would show up.

3548
03:00:42,505 --> 03:00:44,605
I'm sure that most of them would be arriving by car

3549
03:00:45,345 --> 03:00:46,805
and I'm just wondering again

3550
03:00:46,945 --> 03:00:48,685
how many parking spaces we would need.

3551
03:00:48,785 --> 03:00:51,325
So I guess that's a consideration that we'll have

3552
03:00:51,325 --> 03:00:52,645
to get the answer to.

3553
03:00:52,695 --> 03:00:53,695
Thank you

3554
03:00:55,555 --> 03:00:56,555
Rick.

3555
03:00:56,555 --> 03:00:56,845
You got any questions?

3556
03:00:57,655 --> 03:01:01,245
Thank you Josh. So I'm used to the old rules on FEMA

3557
03:01:01,245 --> 03:01:04,045
where if you did not import any material

3558
03:01:04,465 --> 03:01:06,925
but just move material around that was on site

3559
03:01:07,785 --> 03:01:11,445
and it had an engineer, then you could do your project

3560
03:01:11,515 --> 03:01:12,525
that you wanted to do.

3561
03:01:12,955 --> 03:01:15,285
Have the rules changed substantially now that

3562
03:01:15,795 --> 03:01:17,285
make it much more difficult?

3563
03:01:18,665 --> 03:01:22,125
Yes, counselor, they have, yeah, there there's

3564
03:01:22,645 --> 03:01:24,445
a lot more stringency right now

3565
03:01:24,465 --> 03:01:28,165
and particularly as Josh in the floodway, you would have

3566
03:01:28,165 --> 03:01:31,245
to undercurrent rules give a no rise certificate,

3567
03:01:31,815 --> 03:01:34,005
which means that whatever you put there you,

3568
03:01:34,505 --> 03:01:37,685
you're not causing any rise in the base flood elevation,

3569
03:01:39,775 --> 03:01:42,805
which you would not be able to do with virtually anything

3570
03:01:43,565 --> 03:01:46,605
because any, any object that is put on top

3571
03:01:46,605 --> 03:01:50,285
of the grade is gonna ra is gonna rise to some degree.

3572
03:01:51,665 --> 03:01:54,205
Now you, you know, there's obviously opportunities within

3573
03:01:54,205 --> 03:01:55,965
the rules to kind of work with those things,

3574
03:01:56,145 --> 03:02:00,845
but this this, it is, it is much more challenging

3575
03:02:00,905 --> 03:02:02,365
to work in the floodway

3576
03:02:02,905 --> 03:02:05,965
And was fish and wildlife now part of that as well?

3577
03:02:08,065 --> 03:02:10,485
I'm not aware of fish and wildlife being involved with

3578
03:02:10,485 --> 03:02:11,805
that particular rule.

3579
03:02:11,805 --> 03:02:13,165
That's very much FEMA driven.

3580
03:02:13,875 --> 03:02:17,805
Okay, thank you. Yep. Eric, you got any questions?

3581
03:02:18,515 --> 03:02:21,165
Yeah, thank you. Insurance.

3582
03:02:22,075 --> 03:02:26,085
Depending on the size of this pump track does,

3583
03:02:26,145 --> 03:02:30,445
can anybody speak, anybody on the staff speak to insurance

3584
03:02:30,665 --> 03:02:32,645
and how that's different than being in the park

3585
03:02:32,665 --> 03:02:36,245
and being that there's gonna be a lot of children moving

3586
03:02:36,245 --> 03:02:39,845
around on their bicycles, there's more

3587
03:02:39,845 --> 03:02:41,365
of a potential for people to get hurt.

3588
03:02:41,505 --> 03:02:44,205
How is that all tied together? I mean, is that a factor?

3589
03:02:44,305 --> 03:02:45,685
Is that something the city needs to worry about?

3590
03:02:46,945 --> 03:02:48,645
So in the state of Oregon it's kind

3591
03:02:48,645 --> 03:02:50,405
of recognized there's an inherent risk

3592
03:02:50,545 --> 03:02:52,725
of anything you're doing in a public space,

3593
03:02:52,935 --> 03:02:54,805
especially in municipal parks.

3594
03:02:55,185 --> 03:02:58,205
We typically claim recreational immunity for those types

3595
03:02:58,225 --> 03:03:01,405
of things, which doesn't cover us if we're negligent

3596
03:03:01,425 --> 03:03:03,765
as property owners or leaving hazardous conditions.

3597
03:03:03,785 --> 03:03:06,445
But if somebody does have an accident, you know, trips,

3598
03:03:06,495 --> 03:03:09,845
falls for a non-hazardous like issue we weren't aware of,

3599
03:03:10,315 --> 03:03:12,525
then that would be the legal defense we typically use

3600
03:03:12,525 --> 03:03:13,565
as recreational immunity.

3601
03:03:15,335 --> 03:03:17,445
Thank you. Thank you. I have one other question.

3602
03:03:17,865 --> 03:03:19,725
So it seems like, I think

3603
03:03:22,825 --> 03:03:25,125
the community was wanting this in in the

3604
03:03:25,645 --> 03:03:26,925
Reinhardt volunteer park.

3605
03:03:27,305 --> 03:03:28,765
Am am I mistaken in that

3606
03:03:28,865 --> 03:03:32,565
or are we looking at, is that what we're That's obviously

3607
03:03:32,565 --> 03:03:33,965
what we're talking about here to try

3608
03:03:33,965 --> 03:03:35,325
to figure out where we're gonna put it.

3609
03:03:35,985 --> 03:03:38,885
So yeah, the original thought was

3610
03:03:39,625 --> 03:03:42,405
we were gonna be repurposing the fly fishing pond itself

3611
03:03:42,985 --> 03:03:45,325
and the survey we put out was focused on that

3612
03:03:45,585 --> 03:03:50,085
and then the community members organized themselves

3613
03:03:50,145 --> 03:03:52,325
and did a big campaign for pump tracks

3614
03:03:52,665 --> 03:03:54,085
and so that's what got brought in.

3615
03:03:54,785 --> 03:03:56,205
So we looked at Reinhardt Park

3616
03:03:56,345 --> 03:03:58,405
and basically when I saw oh it's in the floodway

3617
03:03:58,465 --> 03:04:00,965
and there's not a lot of wiggle room of FEMA right now,

3618
03:04:00,965 --> 03:04:03,765
we decided well where else could we potentially put one

3619
03:04:03,765 --> 03:04:05,765
of these since we know the community is

3620
03:04:05,765 --> 03:04:06,845
really interested in it.

3621
03:04:07,265 --> 03:04:10,445
And these are kind of the park locations we have outside

3622
03:04:10,445 --> 03:04:12,645
of Reinhardt Park that have open space areas

3623
03:04:12,645 --> 03:04:14,325
that one could be installed in.

3624
03:04:15,085 --> 03:04:16,765
I do wanna take a second.

3625
03:04:17,385 --> 03:04:19,645
One of the things council did ask at the last

3626
03:04:20,665 --> 03:04:22,845
Beacon Hill meeting, I believe it was, was

3627
03:04:22,905 --> 03:04:24,925
for committee members to come talk about this

3628
03:04:24,985 --> 03:04:26,565
as well if you had questions for them.

3629
03:04:27,175 --> 03:04:30,045
We've got some members from the tourism advisory committee

3630
03:04:30,265 --> 03:04:32,925
as well as from the parks advisory committee here,

3631
03:04:32,945 --> 03:04:34,845
if you have any specific questions for them.

3632
03:04:35,225 --> 03:04:38,405
We did invite bikeways but they both had conflicts today so,

3633
03:04:41,025 --> 03:04:43,645
So with that being said, I I I wish you would've said

3634
03:04:43,645 --> 03:04:45,165
that earlier 'cause I would've had them.

3635
03:04:47,495 --> 03:04:49,365
Let's get, let's get, okay, let's do this.

3636
03:04:50,105 --> 03:04:51,405
Can you guys step up

3637
03:04:51,505 --> 03:04:55,605
and give a little spiel a couple minutes each in regards to

3638
03:04:57,035 --> 03:04:59,565
your committee's favoritism or not?

3639
03:04:59,585 --> 03:05:01,485
Not favoritism. Sorry, just I'll give you like two

3640
03:05:01,485 --> 03:05:02,685
minutes 'cause I wanna make this real quick.

3641
03:05:02,995 --> 03:05:04,405
Sure. And then we'll get back

3642
03:05:04,405 --> 03:05:05,525
to our que line of questioning.

3643
03:05:05,855 --> 03:05:08,325
Thank you. Is this on? Yep.

3644
03:05:08,325 --> 03:05:11,205
Sounds like it's, well I'm Doug Bradley, the chairman

3645
03:05:11,285 --> 03:05:12,565
of the tours advisory committee.

3646
03:05:13,055 --> 03:05:15,365
Mayor Council, thank you for allowing me the time.

3647
03:05:16,145 --> 03:05:18,805
We had adopted the pump track as one of our goals

3648
03:05:18,905 --> 03:05:20,685
for the upcoming year and it talked

3649
03:05:20,685 --> 03:05:21,845
about it being at the Reinhardt Park.

3650
03:05:21,845 --> 03:05:24,365
We thought it was a great idea, great use for that property.

3651
03:05:24,965 --> 03:05:27,725
We've had a lot of interest in cycling type

3652
03:05:28,495 --> 03:05:30,685
activities in the city and county.

3653
03:05:30,705 --> 03:05:31,965
So we thought that would be a good idea.

3654
03:05:32,585 --> 03:05:35,365
And then as we presented, a council moved

3655
03:05:35,385 --> 03:05:38,005
to Beacon Hill I think because of some other reasons.

3656
03:05:38,505 --> 03:05:40,765
We kind of withdrew that real quick as a goal at least,

3657
03:05:40,865 --> 03:05:42,245
or at least to put on a back burner

3658
03:05:42,245 --> 03:05:44,765
until we could get more information about infrastructure

3659
03:05:45,075 --> 03:05:47,845
budgeting, you know, how long is it gonna take?

3660
03:05:47,865 --> 03:05:50,205
We had a lot of questions that had not been answered

3661
03:05:50,225 --> 03:05:52,725
to allow that to continue as a goal.

3662
03:05:53,585 --> 03:05:55,005
And I think we're kind of still in the same boat.

3663
03:05:55,005 --> 03:05:56,285
So I'm glad to be here today

3664
03:05:56,285 --> 03:05:58,205
and look at some of the options that we have ahead of us.

3665
03:05:58,945 --> 03:06:00,325
But once we can get those cleared up,

3666
03:06:00,365 --> 03:06:02,005
I think the tours advisory committee would be happy

3667
03:06:02,005 --> 03:06:04,005
to make a recommendation as to

3668
03:06:04,005 --> 03:06:05,165
what the council should look at

3669
03:06:05,165 --> 03:06:09,925
and we would keep that in the lens of visitation.

3670
03:06:10,025 --> 03:06:11,685
How is generating demand for visitation?

3671
03:06:11,685 --> 03:06:13,445
That's typically what we like to look at things through.

3672
03:06:14,785 --> 03:06:16,045
Any questions while I'm here?

3673
03:06:16,815 --> 03:06:18,165
We'll we'll let you give your statement.

3674
03:06:18,165 --> 03:06:19,285
We're gonna every, we get a statement

3675
03:06:19,285 --> 03:06:20,445
and then we're gonna go back to the round table

3676
03:06:20,465 --> 03:06:21,485
and we'll have Okay we'll call you up.

3677
03:06:21,615 --> 03:06:22,615
Thank who else?

3678
03:06:24,805 --> 03:06:26,945
I'm re Beaumont also known as Speedo Rito.

3679
03:06:27,045 --> 03:06:29,745
I'm on the City Park Advisory committee

3680
03:06:29,845 --> 03:06:32,145
and I'm also a member of the R-V-M-B-A.

3681
03:06:32,905 --> 03:06:36,345
I been wanting up, I'm born and raised here in Grants Pass

3682
03:06:36,925 --> 03:06:38,385
and I've been kinda like an advocate

3683
03:06:38,385 --> 03:06:40,065
or someone that's been stoked for

3684
03:06:40,065 --> 03:06:43,065
and wanting in the future one day to be have a pump track

3685
03:06:43,165 --> 03:06:46,105
and now we're kind of at spot where it's possible

3686
03:06:46,325 --> 03:06:48,105
and weighing options and,

3687
03:06:48,365 --> 03:06:51,345
and learning the information about Reinhardt

3688
03:06:51,405 --> 03:06:52,865
and being the floodplain

3689
03:06:53,005 --> 03:06:56,605
and then the proposed plan of the past

3690
03:06:57,225 --> 03:07:00,125
for Beacon Hill and already having a conceptual plan and,

3691
03:07:00,125 --> 03:07:03,925
and seeing that with also the, the development

3692
03:07:03,925 --> 03:07:06,565
of like the bike lane up on Beacon as well as on,

3693
03:07:06,685 --> 03:07:08,565
I think it's Northeast Hillcrest

3694
03:07:08,565 --> 03:07:11,005
that the new bike ways going up there.

3695
03:07:11,405 --> 03:07:12,485
I think it makes total sense

3696
03:07:12,505 --> 03:07:15,165
for a bigger pump track up on Beacon Hill.

3697
03:07:15,875 --> 03:07:19,165
Also for the huge thing for tourism from I five,

3698
03:07:19,785 --> 03:07:23,085
me being a biker and going up and down I five in the past

3699
03:07:23,105 --> 03:07:25,045
and being able to see jumps from the freeway

3700
03:07:25,785 --> 03:07:26,805
was just like, wait a second.

3701
03:07:26,805 --> 03:07:28,045
Like we gotta stop there

3702
03:07:28,045 --> 03:07:29,285
and if we don't stop there this time,

3703
03:07:29,285 --> 03:07:30,325
we're gonna come back later.

3704
03:07:30,865 --> 03:07:34,485
So I think that just the visibility from I five is a huge

3705
03:07:34,485 --> 03:07:37,405
factor and for the pump track as well

3706
03:07:37,405 --> 03:07:39,925
as the space up there is gonna create it for,

3707
03:07:39,925 --> 03:07:42,885
we can have a bigger, more appealing pump track that's,

3708
03:07:42,885 --> 03:07:44,565
that's also gonna play a big factor

3709
03:07:44,585 --> 03:07:46,765
and role into grant's Pass in this huge

3710
03:07:47,615 --> 03:07:48,765
mound bike destination

3711
03:07:49,625 --> 03:07:51,725
and outdoor recreation that we've created here.

3712
03:07:52,025 --> 03:07:54,045
It, it, it's, it's huge. It's crucial.

3713
03:07:54,265 --> 03:07:57,645
So I think Beacon Hill weighs out for the best option.

3714
03:07:58,195 --> 03:08:01,605
Well thank you. Thank you for your input. Okay, perfect.

3715
03:08:01,665 --> 03:08:03,445
So we're gonna go back in the line of questioning I had.

3716
03:08:03,645 --> 03:08:04,645
Victoria, do you have any questions?

3717
03:08:07,425 --> 03:08:08,925
Yes, I have a question now

3718
03:08:09,145 --> 03:08:12,325
for the gentleman from the tourism advisory committee.

3719
03:08:12,785 --> 03:08:17,365
So you were thinking about this and I imagine

3720
03:08:17,365 --> 03:08:20,045
because you saw it is a way of bringing in tourism

3721
03:08:20,825 --> 03:08:23,965
and I'll ask Josh the same question

3722
03:08:23,965 --> 03:08:28,845
but you can, you can answer later or after this.

3723
03:08:29,555 --> 03:08:33,965
What is the possibility for economic income

3724
03:08:33,985 --> 03:08:35,765
to the city for something like this?

3725
03:08:38,985 --> 03:08:40,565
That's the first question. Well

3726
03:08:40,565 --> 03:08:42,525
I don't have the numbers in front of me but, but cycling

3727
03:08:42,525 --> 03:08:46,565
and outdoor, that's just the trails alone.

3728
03:08:46,725 --> 03:08:50,045
I think it's 1.5 billion in the country

3729
03:08:50,305 --> 03:08:53,925
and something like 10.5 million

3730
03:08:54,225 --> 03:08:56,725
around just southern Oregon.

3731
03:08:57,465 --> 03:09:00,485
So what as we, we develop these assets,

3732
03:09:00,585 --> 03:09:04,525
it just gives us the opportunity to compete for the dollars

3733
03:09:04,525 --> 03:09:05,805
that are being spent in our region.

3734
03:09:06,745 --> 03:09:08,605
Dollar Mountain is no different than that.

3735
03:09:08,625 --> 03:09:10,965
We have all kinds of people that come to Southern Oregon

3736
03:09:11,485 --> 03:09:15,125
specifically to engage in outdoor adventure sports.

3737
03:09:15,545 --> 03:09:18,365
So by having Dollar Mountain, we now have an asset

3738
03:09:18,475 --> 03:09:20,405
that will bring them specifically to our region.

3739
03:09:20,435 --> 03:09:23,005
They won't have to go to Medford or onto Ashland.

3740
03:09:23,185 --> 03:09:25,845
It will keep them here. And as we add those assets,

3741
03:09:25,985 --> 03:09:29,925
it will just allow us to take bigger chunks of that money

3742
03:09:29,925 --> 03:09:32,205
that's already coming into our region that we know of.

3743
03:09:33,655 --> 03:09:36,965
Thank you. And yeah Josh, you mentioned Redmond

3744
03:09:37,505 --> 03:09:41,125
and the need for a pump track to be 20,000

3745
03:09:41,865 --> 03:09:45,525
square feet to be a tourism draw

3746
03:09:45,705 --> 03:09:47,805
or if I remember exactly,

3747
03:09:48,385 --> 03:09:51,365
So I would say 10,000 square feet

3748
03:09:51,365 --> 03:09:52,765
minimum for tourism draw.

3749
03:09:52,925 --> 03:09:55,165
'cause that's what's required for the competitions.

3750
03:09:56,075 --> 03:09:57,565
That being said, kind of the bigger,

3751
03:09:57,665 --> 03:09:59,845
the better you go in general.

3752
03:10:00,025 --> 03:10:01,285
People have talked about it today,

3753
03:10:01,845 --> 03:10:05,365
mountain biking is like almost a $300 million tourism

3754
03:10:05,805 --> 03:10:06,885
industry in the state of Oregon.

3755
03:10:06,955 --> 03:10:09,805
Cycling in general is a billion dollar industry.

3756
03:10:10,555 --> 03:10:13,165
This pump track is out at Erie, Colorado.

3757
03:10:13,785 --> 03:10:15,565
And let me pull it up on my phone real quick.

3758
03:10:16,595 --> 03:10:20,725
Basically they use Placer ai, which is a tracking software

3759
03:10:20,785 --> 03:10:23,245
for like visitation for one of their events

3760
03:10:23,245 --> 03:10:24,605
that they did at this pump track.

3761
03:10:25,225 --> 03:10:29,445
In it, it showed that, you know, they had a large you UCI,

3762
03:10:29,575 --> 03:10:31,125
which is like United Cyclist

3763
03:10:31,125 --> 03:10:32,605
International competition there.

3764
03:10:32,915 --> 03:10:36,565
They had 36 or 3,800 people attend the pump track

3765
03:10:37,105 --> 03:10:40,605
and essentially during this timeframe they estimated it

3766
03:10:40,605 --> 03:10:45,125
brought in 407 to $501,000 in economic output

3767
03:10:45,465 --> 03:10:48,405
for this one event because it was so well attended

3768
03:10:48,625 --> 03:10:51,165
and it had cyclists coming from all over, you know,

3769
03:10:51,225 --> 03:10:52,525
the nation to be it.

3770
03:10:52,705 --> 03:10:54,885
That's obviously a large extreme of that.

3771
03:10:55,515 --> 03:10:59,725
Locally we would probably reach out to Bike City to see

3772
03:10:59,725 --> 03:11:01,525
what type of impact their regional

3773
03:11:01,525 --> 03:11:02,805
event has when they do theirs.

3774
03:11:02,805 --> 03:11:03,845
And I know that's coming up

3775
03:11:04,225 --> 03:11:07,365
and that could give us kind of a more local idea of

3776
03:11:07,445 --> 03:11:09,045
what type of impact this would have.

3777
03:11:09,595 --> 03:11:11,765
Then there's other impacts with all things kind

3778
03:11:11,765 --> 03:11:13,285
of going in parks and recreation.

3779
03:11:14,395 --> 03:11:16,725
It's weird to live in a world where we have to think

3780
03:11:16,725 --> 03:11:18,805
of tourism instead of community wellbeing,

3781
03:11:19,345 --> 03:11:21,085
but in general, all of our park

3782
03:11:22,365 --> 03:11:24,405
features have a large impact in

3783
03:11:24,405 --> 03:11:25,725
community health and wellbeing.

3784
03:11:26,005 --> 03:11:28,125
A feature like this that's such active play

3785
03:11:28,505 --> 03:11:32,445
and active participation does play a large role in just the

3786
03:11:32,445 --> 03:11:34,405
vitality of your community through health

3787
03:11:34,505 --> 03:11:36,045
and, you know, mental health

3788
03:11:36,065 --> 03:11:37,365
and everything else along those lines.

3789
03:11:37,665 --> 03:11:38,845
Oh yeah, absolutely.

3790
03:11:38,945 --> 03:11:41,325
And I didn't mean to dis diminish that.

3791
03:11:42,065 --> 03:11:43,245
No, let's just, but yes,

3792
03:11:43,245 --> 03:11:46,525
but we're, we live in now, the city spending money

3793
03:11:46,525 --> 03:11:51,085
and being able to get a return is, is in my way of thinking,

3794
03:11:51,485 --> 03:11:53,365
probably a good, a good way to go about things.

3795
03:11:53,385 --> 03:11:56,765
And then the extra benefit is all of those great things too.

3796
03:11:57,125 --> 03:11:58,405
'cause our parks are so wonderful

3797
03:11:58,405 --> 03:12:02,125
and you our reason for that, one

3798
03:12:02,125 --> 03:12:03,205
of the biggest reasons for that.

3799
03:12:03,305 --> 03:12:08,165
So thank you. So then my next question was,

3800
03:12:09,035 --> 03:12:10,965
it's, it sounds like

3801
03:12:10,965 --> 03:12:13,805
what I'm hearing is it's gonna be virtually impossible

3802
03:12:13,825 --> 03:12:16,565
to put a pump track in Riverside Park

3803
03:12:16,565 --> 03:12:19,925
or is it going on a a a difficulty scale?

3804
03:12:20,465 --> 03:12:24,245
Is it like, I mean, is it possible?

3805
03:12:24,295 --> 03:12:28,605
Would, would it be ill-advised even to try to go that way

3806
03:12:28,605 --> 03:12:30,645
because of FEMA and all those things? Or

3807
03:12:30,985 --> 03:12:32,125
Do you mean Reinhardt Park?

3808
03:12:32,265 --> 03:12:33,485
Oh, that's what I meant, sorry.

3809
03:12:34,395 --> 03:12:35,805
It's definitely possible.

3810
03:12:36,045 --> 03:12:38,645
I think the issue we have is not really knowing

3811
03:12:38,825 --> 03:12:41,365
how long it's gonna take to get through any sort

3812
03:12:41,365 --> 03:12:45,525
of FEMA processes at the moment, speaking with the planners,

3813
03:12:45,675 --> 03:12:48,645
they're not really getting a lot back when they're sending

3814
03:12:48,645 --> 03:12:49,645
things to FEMA

3815
03:12:50,225 --> 03:12:52,165
and, you know, know, I think they're supposed to come back

3816
03:12:52,165 --> 03:12:53,885
and recertify us in some form or fashion.

3817
03:12:53,975 --> 03:12:55,405
We're still waiting to find out when

3818
03:12:55,405 --> 03:12:57,645
that's gonna happen. Well, for me it's

3819
03:12:57,645 --> 03:12:59,325
Just kind of a delay if Oh, okay.

3820
03:12:59,325 --> 03:13:02,485
So if it's still possible for me it seems like that's

3821
03:13:02,485 --> 03:13:05,405
where we put the community survey, so it seems like that's

3822
03:13:05,405 --> 03:13:08,845
where the, the community thought it would go.

3823
03:13:09,105 --> 03:13:12,885
So it would be worthwhile looking to put it there

3824
03:13:13,555 --> 03:13:17,405
because we already have the parking and the restrooms

3825
03:13:17,465 --> 03:13:20,165
and all of the things, the infrastructure there.

3826
03:13:20,295 --> 03:13:23,045
You'd probably maybe eventually have to put in restrooms,

3827
03:13:23,185 --> 03:13:24,685
but yeah.

3828
03:13:24,905 --> 03:13:29,365
So, okay, so maybe

3829
03:13:31,035 --> 03:13:33,685
Bradley you could speak a little bit more to

3830
03:13:33,685 --> 03:13:37,165
that about the FEMA difficulties or timeframe.

3831
03:13:37,705 --> 03:13:39,045
No, I, I hear you counselor

3832
03:13:39,465 --> 03:13:43,525
and it's, it is, it is really challenging for us to,

3833
03:13:44,025 --> 03:13:46,365
at this point speak on any kind

3834
03:13:46,445 --> 03:13:48,085
of permitting and the process.

3835
03:13:48,425 --> 03:13:50,805
You know, the, the state of Oregon is, is dealing

3836
03:13:50,875 --> 03:13:53,325
with this endangered species act lawsuit.

3837
03:13:54,505 --> 03:13:57,525
So we are unique in the FEMA world as a state

3838
03:13:58,325 --> 03:13:59,965
because we're having to address that

3839
03:13:59,985 --> 03:14:01,765
and the mitigation that's required with that.

3840
03:14:03,745 --> 03:14:07,405
We, you know, anytime you start talking about adding

3841
03:14:08,605 --> 03:14:13,245
anything with mass into a floodway,

3842
03:14:14,625 --> 03:14:17,005
you know, you're also adding engineering dollars

3843
03:14:17,845 --> 03:14:20,245
because it's, you know, it's, there's a lot of studies

3844
03:14:20,245 --> 03:14:21,685
that have to go into the modeling of

3845
03:14:21,685 --> 03:14:22,965
what exactly would happen.

3846
03:14:24,265 --> 03:14:26,925
All this to be said, if this is

3847
03:14:26,925 --> 03:14:28,685
where counsel's direction is, I mean,

3848
03:14:28,695 --> 03:14:31,445
we'll continue our research and we'll make phone calls

3849
03:14:31,625 --> 03:14:33,405
and we'll pursue the rules and,

3850
03:14:33,465 --> 03:14:34,645
and we'll, we'll, we'll check

3851
03:14:34,645 --> 03:14:36,965
and bring you back as much information as we possibly can.

3852
03:14:37,785 --> 03:14:39,285
Oh, wonderful. Thank you.

3853
03:14:40,885 --> 03:14:41,885
Seth, do you have any questions?

3854
03:14:43,365 --> 03:14:44,885
I don't know, I guess, Doug, this is kinda you.

3855
03:14:44,965 --> 03:14:47,205
I was walking back in, but you mentioned

3856
03:14:47,205 --> 03:14:50,045
that it would be potential to kind of give this back

3857
03:14:50,065 --> 03:14:52,645
to the TAC and Parks and Bikeways

3858
03:14:52,665 --> 03:14:54,685
and you know, you come up with a recommendation.

3859
03:14:55,005 --> 03:14:56,805
I mean that seems, I don't know if

3860
03:14:56,805 --> 03:14:58,125
that's something you guys be interested in, but

3861
03:14:58,675 --> 03:15:00,325
Yeah, we, we'd love to do that.

3862
03:15:01,045 --> 03:15:02,885
I think we need more information too.

3863
03:15:02,985 --> 03:15:06,205
And, and I mean every time we talk about the pump track,

3864
03:15:06,285 --> 03:15:08,045
I feel like I get a little more information.

3865
03:15:08,505 --> 03:15:09,565
So we're kind of at a place

3866
03:15:09,565 --> 03:15:11,245
where we kinda need it all at once and,

3867
03:15:11,265 --> 03:15:12,925
and all in a big pile so

3868
03:15:12,925 --> 03:15:14,645
that we can kind of digest it and look at it.

3869
03:15:15,715 --> 03:15:17,885
Yeah, we do have some ideas about what our

3870
03:15:18,805 --> 03:15:19,925
recommendations would be

3871
03:15:19,925 --> 03:15:21,925
and I didn't know till today that, you know,

3872
03:15:22,085 --> 03:15:23,805
Reinhardt park's a flood zone, so it doesn't really sound

3873
03:15:23,805 --> 03:15:25,565
like that might be a pretty tough option for us.

3874
03:15:26,705 --> 03:15:28,645
So again, that kind of removes one

3875
03:15:28,645 --> 03:15:30,805
of the things we were thinking about till just now.

3876
03:15:31,825 --> 03:15:32,845
So yeah, that's kind of where we're at.

3877
03:15:32,845 --> 03:15:34,485
I just need more information and then we'd be happy

3878
03:15:34,485 --> 03:15:36,165
to make a a, a recommendation

3879
03:15:36,465 --> 03:15:38,165
and it is gonna be centered around, I think

3880
03:15:38,235 --> 03:15:41,205
what we feel would be best for the community when it comes

3881
03:15:41,205 --> 03:15:42,645
to not only serving our locals,

3882
03:15:42,645 --> 03:15:44,285
but also being a demander

3883
03:15:44,285 --> 03:15:46,125
for visit demand generator for visitation.

3884
03:15:46,385 --> 03:15:48,645
So. Okay. And I don't know what the answer to

3885
03:15:48,645 --> 03:15:50,405
that is, just right at the moment. So,

3886
03:15:50,915 --> 03:15:51,915
Yeah.

3887
03:15:51,915 --> 03:15:53,085
And then I was actually curious about the flood zone.

3888
03:15:53,315 --> 03:15:55,045
This is not for you. Sorry. Thank you, Doug.

3889
03:15:57,785 --> 03:15:59,645
Is this something that we just overlooked?

3890
03:15:59,905 --> 03:16:02,605
Was it something that didn't come up? I mean, yeah.

3891
03:16:02,725 --> 03:16:03,765
'cause this is the first time I think any

3892
03:16:03,765 --> 03:16:06,005
of us are hearing about this and this does change

3893
03:16:06,065 --> 03:16:07,165
things it sounds like.

3894
03:16:07,345 --> 03:16:08,345
So I was just curious.

3895
03:16:09,685 --> 03:16:11,925
I wasn't aware the floodway came up that far

3896
03:16:12,015 --> 03:16:14,285
until I was making the slides for this presentation

3897
03:16:14,305 --> 03:16:15,365
and I ran and was like, oh,

3898
03:16:15,365 --> 03:16:16,565
I should check the floodway layer.

3899
03:16:16,625 --> 03:16:18,645
Yep. And then when I saw that, I was like, wow,

3900
03:16:18,715 --> 03:16:19,965
this is very surprising.

3901
03:16:19,965 --> 03:16:22,605
This map goes everywhere, all over this town

3902
03:16:22,605 --> 03:16:23,965
and I don't like the way the map is,

3903
03:16:24,105 --> 03:16:25,965
so if we could just get rid of that. Got it.

3904
03:16:26,075 --> 03:16:29,045
Good. Okay. So just a, a quick clarification.

3905
03:16:29,155 --> 03:16:30,965
When you look at this, the, the exhibit

3906
03:16:30,965 --> 03:16:33,445
that he had up there, the flood plain is

3907
03:16:33,445 --> 03:16:36,285
where water will saturate when it comes to flooding.

3908
03:16:36,485 --> 03:16:38,365
A floodway actually is kind of defined

3909
03:16:38,365 --> 03:16:39,525
as actually moving water.

3910
03:16:39,865 --> 03:16:42,445
So there is more stringent restrictions from FEMA

3911
03:16:42,445 --> 03:16:43,485
within the floodway.

3912
03:16:44,345 --> 03:16:48,005
And you look at the Rogue river, it's flood way is very big.

3913
03:16:48,865 --> 03:16:50,245
So that's just a little careful. Go ahead.

3914
03:16:51,025 --> 03:16:53,805
On speaking of the projects we've talked about, the survey

3915
03:16:53,805 --> 03:16:55,405
that we did for er, volunteer park

3916
03:16:55,465 --> 03:16:57,365
and trying to figure out a, a use for

3917
03:16:57,365 --> 03:16:58,605
that old fly fishing spot

3918
03:16:58,605 --> 03:17:01,445
and that kind of thing that was primary was let's find

3919
03:17:01,485 --> 03:17:02,565
a secondary use for that.

3920
03:17:02,745 --> 03:17:05,845
Yes. If council wants to have a pump track

3921
03:17:05,875 --> 03:17:08,525
that is ultimately going to make a difference

3922
03:17:08,665 --> 03:17:10,565
and be an economic driving engine

3923
03:17:10,665 --> 03:17:13,085
and be, you know, corresponding with

3924
03:17:13,085 --> 03:17:16,485
what we're already focused on, that's probably the approach

3925
03:17:16,485 --> 03:17:19,085
that needs to be looked at with a new perspective.

3926
03:17:19,545 --> 03:17:21,485
If, if, are we wanting

3927
03:17:21,645 --> 03:17:25,445
to bring in a 20,000 square foot pump track that is going

3928
03:17:25,445 --> 03:17:28,085
to bring in opportunities for competition, et cetera,

3929
03:17:28,305 --> 03:17:29,965
and where's the best fit for that?

3930
03:17:30,395 --> 03:17:32,045
Instead of the question which was

3931
03:17:32,265 --> 03:17:34,405
how do we repurpose a location in the park?

3932
03:17:34,535 --> 03:17:35,925
There are two totally different questions.

3933
03:17:36,665 --> 03:17:40,205
And so I think if you, I I think starting fresh, if,

3934
03:17:40,365 --> 03:17:42,485
if council now one of their goals is let's try

3935
03:17:42,485 --> 03:17:44,765
to ride the wave, the community wants to have a pump track,

3936
03:17:45,115 --> 03:17:47,285
well then let's look at it from that perspective

3937
03:17:47,825 --> 03:17:49,765
and then you'll get a better product in the end.

3938
03:17:50,515 --> 03:17:52,485
Yeah, yeah, no, I, I definitely think that makes sense.

3939
03:17:52,565 --> 03:17:54,765
I mean, coming from the economic side of things.

3940
03:17:55,395 --> 03:17:57,845
Yeah, no, and that's why I think, you know, bringing it

3941
03:17:57,845 --> 03:18:00,965
to some of the committees would be great too. Thanks Josh.

3942
03:18:01,835 --> 03:18:02,925
Joel, Jake got any questions?

3943
03:18:04,365 --> 03:18:06,125
I have, I have two questions. Josh.

3944
03:18:06,855 --> 03:18:08,805
First off, appreciate your preparation.

3945
03:18:08,875 --> 03:18:10,045
It's thorough as usual.

3946
03:18:11,275 --> 03:18:15,205
When you look at the high demand, the high competition,

3947
03:18:16,105 --> 03:18:18,605
the one that would bring in tourism dollars,

3948
03:18:22,165 --> 03:18:25,205
I also heard there's a lot of other pump tracks being built.

3949
03:18:26,105 --> 03:18:27,125
Supply and demand.

3950
03:18:28,025 --> 03:18:32,325
Do you have, and I know that's an intuitive subject

3951
03:18:34,425 --> 03:18:38,005
and it, it, it might be just the opposite if you have a lot

3952
03:18:38,005 --> 03:18:40,605
of 'em, maybe more, even more people come, I don't know.

3953
03:18:40,745 --> 03:18:42,325
But if Crescent City has one,

3954
03:18:43,005 --> 03:18:45,045
I think there's another one in the Southern Rogue Valley

3955
03:18:46,795 --> 03:18:48,165
Climate Falls right now.

3956
03:18:49,325 --> 03:18:51,405
Ashland is looking at building one as a part

3957
03:18:51,405 --> 03:18:53,085
of a new park design that they've got going.

3958
03:18:53,255 --> 03:18:55,525
Right. I heard Central Point is also looking at

3959
03:18:55,525 --> 03:18:56,885
incorporating a pump track

3960
03:18:57,025 --> 03:18:59,085
and then the closest one regionally

3961
03:18:59,085 --> 03:19:01,205
after that would be the one over in Crescent City.

3962
03:19:01,285 --> 03:19:03,325
Crescent City. From a tourism perspective,

3963
03:19:03,925 --> 03:19:06,765
I think you would probably just do the same thing we're

3964
03:19:06,765 --> 03:19:08,525
doing with our mountain bike trail systems

3965
03:19:08,785 --> 03:19:10,605
and mark it as like a regional circuit.

3966
03:19:10,995 --> 03:19:14,045
Sure. You know, in general we've got mountain bike trails

3967
03:19:14,045 --> 03:19:15,325
everywhere over the Rogue Valley

3968
03:19:15,705 --> 03:19:17,205
and now we've got this circuit of people

3969
03:19:17,205 --> 03:19:18,205
that wanna ride them.

3970
03:19:18,885 --> 03:19:20,725
Additionally, depending on where you wanna put one

3971
03:19:20,725 --> 03:19:24,445
of these locations for a pump track, it may tie in nicely

3972
03:19:24,825 --> 03:19:26,605
to mountain biking as well.

3973
03:19:26,845 --> 03:19:28,765
'cause it's kind of on the route to our mountain bike,

3974
03:19:29,655 --> 03:19:32,605
large scale pump tracks for competition definitely do great

3975
03:19:32,605 --> 03:19:34,125
for bringing people in for the day.

3976
03:19:34,625 --> 03:19:38,365
But any sort of large scale, easily readily accessible

3977
03:19:38,505 --> 03:19:41,205
and visible pump track is going to get people

3978
03:19:41,265 --> 03:19:42,685
to pull off a highway and stuff.

3979
03:19:42,725 --> 03:19:44,805
That's what you see at Redmond frequently

3980
03:19:44,805 --> 03:19:47,245
because you take nine seven right by their pump track

3981
03:19:47,265 --> 03:19:49,405
and people whip around to go say at least I did

3982
03:19:50,105 --> 03:19:51,105
So.

3983
03:19:51,105 --> 03:19:51,445
So given the options

3984
03:19:51,545 --> 03:19:56,365
and the other supply of pump tracks, you know,

3985
03:19:56,635 --> 03:19:58,605
just by itself it's very intriguing to

3986
03:19:59,735 --> 03:20:01,685
build a high quality pump track.

3987
03:20:03,065 --> 03:20:06,525
And I, I think we would all support that the worst

3988
03:20:06,635 --> 03:20:09,725
that would happen and,

3989
03:20:09,785 --> 03:20:12,885
and this, it could be a, a fiscal mistake

3990
03:20:12,885 --> 03:20:17,125
because if we build it and, and it's one of five or 10

3991
03:20:17,265 --> 03:20:21,365
or whatever, that it dilutes that economic impact.

3992
03:20:22,155 --> 03:20:25,645
Well and that's hard for you I would guess to forecast that.

3993
03:20:26,355 --> 03:20:28,525
Yeah, and not knowing the sizes of the ones

3994
03:20:28,525 --> 03:20:30,045
that they're planning in the lower part

3995
03:20:30,045 --> 03:20:32,525
of the Rogue Valley can't really say Crescent City,

3996
03:20:32,705 --> 03:20:34,525
you know, I don't think anything we do is going

3997
03:20:34,525 --> 03:20:36,605
to impact them at all because people are going there

3998
03:20:36,605 --> 03:20:38,605
for the beach and the pump track's just a

3999
03:20:38,605 --> 03:20:40,245
reason to take the kids out. So.

4000
03:20:40,635 --> 03:20:42,525
Sure. Well if it's worthwhile

4001
03:20:42,525 --> 03:20:43,685
doing, it's worthwhile doing.

4002
03:20:43,715 --> 03:20:47,365
Well the other thing I, I wanted to ask you,

4003
03:20:48,605 --> 03:20:51,125
there's some sites that have some funding advantages,

4004
03:20:51,125 --> 03:20:55,005
obviously with the urban renewal area and

4005
03:20:55,005 --> 03:20:56,205
and Riverside Park.

4006
03:20:58,275 --> 03:21:01,525
What is the probability and likelihood of grants?

4007
03:21:03,145 --> 03:21:06,485
So depending on which park you look into, this is eligible

4008
03:21:06,585 --> 03:21:09,565
for any of the grants we typically go out for for parks

4009
03:21:09,565 --> 03:21:11,365
through the Oregon Parks and Recreation Department.

4010
03:21:12,125 --> 03:21:14,605
So we've got the same ability as anyone else

4011
03:21:14,625 --> 03:21:18,165
to do something like this except for at Exing Park,

4012
03:21:18,385 --> 03:21:20,245
you know, it's not listed as an option,

4013
03:21:20,245 --> 03:21:21,605
but we wouldn't be able to use exing

4014
03:21:21,605 --> 03:21:24,365
or Gilbert Creek for those grants because of the lease term.

4015
03:21:24,365 --> 03:21:25,765
Sure. But outside of

4016
03:21:25,765 --> 03:21:27,045
that it's eligible for any

4017
03:21:27,045 --> 03:21:28,445
of those grants. We typically go for,

4018
03:21:29,245 --> 03:21:30,285
I wouldn't hold you to it,

4019
03:21:30,285 --> 03:21:32,645
but we think a 50% chance of getting grants

4020
03:21:32,745 --> 03:21:33,805
to help fund it or

4021
03:21:34,195 --> 03:21:36,925
They're highly competitive every year for grants.

4022
03:21:36,925 --> 03:21:39,725
There's no sure thing so far I don't think,

4023
03:21:39,735 --> 03:21:41,845
we've not gotten a grant that I've applied for

4024
03:21:41,845 --> 03:21:44,405
with the city here, but at other places sometimes we

4025
03:21:44,405 --> 03:21:45,580
get 'em, sometimes we don't.

4026
03:21:45,905 --> 03:21:48,085
So it really just depends on the amount

4027
03:21:48,085 --> 03:21:49,885
of funding the grantors have at the time

4028
03:21:50,035 --> 03:21:51,525
that your application's going through.

4029
03:21:51,765 --> 03:21:53,165
'cause every year it's a different amount

4030
03:21:53,585 --> 03:21:57,005
and then the other proposals going up as well. Yeah.

4031
03:21:57,195 --> 03:21:58,845
Well you do a good job Josh. Thank you.

4032
03:22:00,455 --> 03:22:04,805
Thank you. So the, just just to re remind you, the intent

4033
03:22:04,825 --> 03:22:07,045
of this workshop for the pump truck was kind

4034
03:22:07,045 --> 03:22:08,085
of explore the idea

4035
03:22:08,105 --> 03:22:10,485
and get some more feedback in regards to that survey.

4036
03:22:11,705 --> 03:22:13,685
We don't want to go too far in depth in it.

4037
03:22:13,685 --> 03:22:16,565
If you guys do decide to go forward to explore this topic,

4038
03:22:16,665 --> 03:22:17,965
we can do that at a later date.

4039
03:22:17,965 --> 03:22:19,645
We really didn't slot the time for that today.

4040
03:22:19,905 --> 03:22:23,445
So I'm gonna finish up with inr, she has any questions

4041
03:22:23,465 --> 03:22:26,085
and then you guys can make a decision if you wanna pursue

4042
03:22:26,085 --> 03:22:29,845
this topic further to push it to a different workshop.

4043
03:22:30,325 --> 03:22:32,045
I do have questions. Go ahead inr.

4044
03:22:32,065 --> 03:22:36,005
So the, the park specific LB funding, how much do we have?

4045
03:22:37,125 --> 03:22:38,325
I don't know off the top of my head.

4046
03:22:38,325 --> 03:22:41,565
We have a bunch of LB project codes for park development

4047
03:22:41,985 --> 03:22:44,685
for different things and with those codes,

4048
03:22:44,685 --> 03:22:46,365
depending on council, you know,

4049
03:22:46,975 --> 03:22:51,005
preference we can move dollars around if we need to to make,

4050
03:22:51,105 --> 03:22:53,125
you know, goals that council set happen.

4051
03:22:53,845 --> 03:22:55,045
Most of that funding comes from

4052
03:22:55,045 --> 03:22:56,805
like SDCs and things like that.

4053
03:22:56,995 --> 03:23:00,805
Some of it's restricted, like the land acquisition SDCs,

4054
03:23:00,955 --> 03:23:02,965
some of it's less restrictive so.

4055
03:23:03,505 --> 03:23:08,005
So would we have the million to start phase one or no?

4056
03:23:08,665 --> 03:23:10,245
Do you have any general idea

4057
03:23:11,065 --> 03:23:12,065
For phase One?

4058
03:23:12,065 --> 03:23:13,765
Are we talking We can do we away from other

4059
03:23:13,985 --> 03:23:15,565
top priority things.

4060
03:23:16,185 --> 03:23:17,525
So then, okay, again, I think we're,

4061
03:23:17,685 --> 03:23:19,685
we're getting a little bit expanded off of this topic.

4062
03:23:19,785 --> 03:23:22,005
We just, this, this workshop was kind of slotted

4063
03:23:22,005 --> 03:23:23,565
for only about a half an hour for this topic.

4064
03:23:23,565 --> 03:23:25,405
Yeah. To see if you guys wanted to proceed forward.

4065
03:23:25,685 --> 03:23:26,845
I love your pointed questions

4066
03:23:26,845 --> 03:23:29,805
but it's kind of gonna go into a more in depth so, so Josh

4067
03:23:29,905 --> 03:23:31,485
and everybody and all staff can be more

4068
03:23:32,415 --> 03:23:36,645
fully presentable on the topics at hand. So, okay.

4069
03:23:36,785 --> 03:23:39,245
But Clint, I don't know if I wanna go forward

4070
03:23:39,855 --> 03:23:41,885
until I have my questions answered.

4071
03:23:42,105 --> 03:23:44,325
Do, do you, do you understand that?

4072
03:23:44,545 --> 03:23:48,365
So right now if we end, I would just say no not

4073
03:23:48,365 --> 03:23:51,485
to go forward because I have questions that I need answers.

4074
03:23:51,625 --> 03:23:53,285
I'm just trying to make sure that, to decide,

4075
03:23:53,315 --> 03:23:54,525
Josh has been very prepared,

4076
03:23:54,665 --> 03:23:57,365
but I wanna make sure that we're not going over the depth of

4077
03:23:57,365 --> 03:23:58,365
what he's prepared for.

4078
03:23:58,465 --> 03:24:00,205
So if he can answer the question, great.

4079
03:24:00,205 --> 03:24:01,645
If not, then we're gonna have to push it onto,

4080
03:24:01,835 --> 03:24:04,565
Okay, I'm just asking for general information.

4081
03:24:04,745 --> 03:24:06,685
So when you said phase one,

4082
03:24:06,705 --> 03:24:08,245
are you talking Beacon Hill development

4083
03:24:08,245 --> 03:24:09,205
On the Beacon Hill? Yes.

4084
03:24:09,275 --> 03:24:12,885
Yeah. So right now for Beacon Hill it has its own elig

4085
03:24:13,025 --> 03:24:14,125
or LB code.

4086
03:24:14,195 --> 03:24:17,965
There's like $575,000 sitting in that. Okay.

4087
03:24:18,105 --> 03:24:22,045
We could do the million dollar phase one if we applied a

4088
03:24:22,045 --> 03:24:24,485
grant to it and used match funds.

4089
03:24:25,305 --> 03:24:28,245
Now if council wanted to say we don't want to go

4090
03:24:28,245 --> 03:24:30,125
for a grant, we want you just to figure out how

4091
03:24:30,125 --> 03:24:32,845
to fund this, then park staff

4092
03:24:32,985 --> 03:24:37,045
and finance would sit down, look at all the LB codes

4093
03:24:37,045 --> 03:24:38,765
and all the projects we already have planned

4094
03:24:39,185 --> 03:24:42,165
and see where we're gonna shift funding from in our LB codes

4095
03:24:42,165 --> 03:24:44,005
to meet the goal of council.

4096
03:24:45,275 --> 03:24:46,645
That would mean that some

4097
03:24:46,645 --> 03:24:48,685
of the projects we already have planned just

4098
03:24:48,685 --> 03:24:49,805
go on the back burner.

4099
03:24:49,945 --> 03:24:51,045
But again, you know, we're kind

4100
03:24:51,045 --> 03:24:53,445
of up the council's discretion on how

4101
03:24:53,585 --> 03:24:54,725
and what you want built

4102
03:24:55,385 --> 03:24:58,445
or you know, if JC magically waved the wand

4103
03:24:58,445 --> 03:25:00,925
and found some extra zeros somewhere lying around

4104
03:25:01,435 --> 03:25:03,685
council could move general fund dollars in

4105
03:25:03,685 --> 03:25:05,525
to help fill that gap as well. So

4106
03:25:05,525 --> 03:25:07,245
Yeah, what Josh said is correct, it's sort

4107
03:25:07,245 --> 03:25:09,005
of the way public works sometimes works with road

4108
03:25:09,005 --> 03:25:10,205
and transportation projects.

4109
03:25:10,425 --> 03:25:11,925
If you make this a high priority

4110
03:25:12,465 --> 03:25:14,045
and if council wants to look at what

4111
03:25:14,045 --> 03:25:15,645
that looks like financially, we would need

4112
03:25:15,645 --> 03:25:16,725
to have your direction and

4113
03:25:16,725 --> 03:25:19,765
that a future workshop we provide you with, okay, here's

4114
03:25:19,765 --> 03:25:23,485
how we would fund including potential grant resources at

4115
03:25:23,485 --> 03:25:25,445
20,000 square foot pump track.

4116
03:25:26,105 --> 03:25:27,845
And so we could get you that information

4117
03:25:27,845 --> 03:25:30,205
with all the different funding sources available to you.

4118
03:25:30,935 --> 03:25:34,685
Right. I we do go on, I mean we push things down the road

4119
03:25:34,685 --> 03:25:36,805
because we want all the information

4120
03:25:37,145 --> 03:25:39,605
but sometimes if we have it up front we,

4121
03:25:39,865 --> 03:25:41,405
we wouldn't push it down the road

4122
03:25:41,825 --> 03:25:43,285
and we would make decisions.

4123
03:25:44,425 --> 03:25:48,925
So phase two it it phase one is not the track.

4124
03:25:49,035 --> 03:25:52,085
Correct. So phase two on Beacon Hill I'm talking

4125
03:25:52,095 --> 03:25:53,125
would be the track.

4126
03:25:54,145 --> 03:25:58,445
So basically phase one could be whatever city council

4127
03:25:58,885 --> 03:26:00,725
actually wants to incorporate in phase one.

4128
03:26:00,825 --> 03:26:03,685
If you told us we want to move forward with Beacon Hill

4129
03:26:04,065 --> 03:26:05,245
and we want phase one

4130
03:26:05,265 --> 03:26:08,165
to incorporate a pump track development as well,

4131
03:26:08,795 --> 03:26:10,925
then we'd come back with our plans

4132
03:26:10,925 --> 03:26:13,245
and design for phase one with the cost for that,

4133
03:26:13,395 --> 03:26:15,245
with the plan of how we can actually fund that

4134
03:26:15,485 --> 03:26:16,725
with available resources.

4135
03:26:16,725 --> 03:26:18,045
And at that point we definitely need

4136
03:26:18,045 --> 03:26:20,045
to be looking at grant resources in the timeline.

4137
03:26:20,415 --> 03:26:21,805
Right, Okay. But you know,

4138
03:26:21,805 --> 03:26:24,605
if council said phase one we want the parking lot,

4139
03:26:24,745 --> 03:26:27,645
we want the walkways, the site furnishings

4140
03:26:27,665 --> 03:26:30,325
and a pump track, then you know, on the books

4141
03:26:30,345 --> 03:26:33,685
that's just us saying, okay, we need to estimate for

4142
03:26:33,705 --> 03:26:37,405
how much of a pump track you want $750,000 extra.

4143
03:26:37,785 --> 03:26:41,325
So now we're looking at, you know, $1.75 million

4144
03:26:41,385 --> 03:26:44,045
for phase one instead of one point or 1 million.

4145
03:26:44,295 --> 03:26:47,365
Right. Or more around two. Okay, thank you.

4146
03:26:47,465 --> 03:26:50,005
And then I just would like to comment, I, I really think

4147
03:26:50,745 --> 03:26:52,405
I'd never heard of a pump track

4148
03:26:52,465 --> 03:26:55,365
and I've learned a lot about it recently

4149
03:26:56,145 --> 03:26:59,565
and I, I agree with Joel, if we're gonna do it, we might

4150
03:26:59,565 --> 03:27:02,525
as well do a good one to attract and,

4151
03:27:02,625 --> 03:27:06,285
and I had no idea it would attract tourists but I'm told

4152
03:27:06,385 --> 03:27:08,725
and we need to trust our committees

4153
03:27:08,785 --> 03:27:13,645
who are more expert in tourism what they think about

4154
03:27:14,345 --> 03:27:15,685
how it would attract people.

4155
03:27:16,025 --> 03:27:19,165
So I just wanted to say my preference.

4156
03:27:20,795 --> 03:27:24,485
Alright, thank you. Any last minute

4157
03:27:24,725 --> 03:27:25,885
questions Rob?

4158
03:27:26,585 --> 03:27:30,645
So quickly, in the same way that we've run into trouble

4159
03:27:30,645 --> 03:27:34,725
with maintaining our swimming pool and our skate park

4160
03:27:34,745 --> 03:27:37,085
and so forth, how, what is the life

4161
03:27:37,185 --> 03:27:39,165
or if you don't know today, you can bring it back the life

4162
03:27:39,165 --> 03:27:42,765
of a pump track and what is a major overhaul cost and

4163
03:27:43,485 --> 03:27:45,445
or how much annual maintenance would also

4164
03:27:45,445 --> 03:27:46,605
be pertinent? Pertinent

4165
03:27:46,925 --> 03:27:47,925
Question.

4166
03:27:47,925 --> 03:27:49,725
So some of that depends on the surfacing you're picking.

4167
03:27:49,825 --> 03:27:51,805
If we're going with asphalt, it'd be similar

4168
03:27:51,905 --> 03:27:53,885
to the life expectancy of our walkways

4169
03:27:53,885 --> 03:27:55,805
and pathways, which is generally about 20 years.

4170
03:27:56,955 --> 03:28:00,045
With that, you know, they are designed and build

4171
03:28:00,105 --> 03:28:02,205
and engineered so they are really well

4172
03:28:02,605 --> 03:28:05,085
maintainable at that point.

4173
03:28:05,355 --> 03:28:07,565
It'd be just like what we do with our sidewalks.

4174
03:28:07,565 --> 03:28:10,245
If there was an issue it'd be doing overlays and patchwork

4175
03:28:10,265 --> 03:28:12,765
and things like that to get it back to the level we need.

4176
03:28:13,505 --> 03:28:17,765
You know, I think we budget, I don't know, 14 grand a year,

4177
03:28:17,925 --> 03:28:21,565
12 grand a year for multimodal pathway repairs.

4178
03:28:21,945 --> 03:28:24,725
And some years we spend it all, some years we don't.

4179
03:28:25,145 --> 03:28:26,445
We have a lot of work we need to do.

4180
03:28:26,445 --> 03:28:28,685
We still, but you know, it's just one

4181
03:28:28,685 --> 03:28:31,565
of those things we just incorporate it into our budget cost

4182
03:28:31,905 --> 03:28:34,525
if it isn't an existing park as opposed

4183
03:28:34,705 --> 03:28:37,445
to a fully developed park, you know, one way

4184
03:28:37,445 --> 03:28:39,925
to look at it would be as an existing park, it's less

4185
03:28:39,925 --> 03:28:41,485
of a large scale budget hit

4186
03:28:42,085 --> 03:28:43,845
'cause all the other features are already developed.

4187
03:28:43,845 --> 03:28:45,485
Whereas if you're developing a park,

4188
03:28:45,505 --> 03:28:48,125
you have a larger continuing cost for that park.

4189
03:28:48,265 --> 03:28:51,085
So, so if you, so, so if you were to ask, if you were

4190
03:28:51,085 --> 03:28:52,325
to ask one of the designers of the park,

4191
03:28:53,795 --> 03:28:56,005
they would tell you it's got a 20 year life

4192
03:28:56,005 --> 03:28:57,365
before it needs a major overhaul

4193
03:28:57,365 --> 03:28:59,205
or you just, you're just kind of winging it.

4194
03:28:59,385 --> 03:29:02,965
Pretty much any park feature has expected 20

4195
03:29:03,065 --> 03:29:04,965
to 30 year life expectancy.

4196
03:29:05,585 --> 03:29:07,885
And similar to, you know, our pathways

4197
03:29:07,885 --> 03:29:10,525
and our parks when we build asphalt multi boal trails,

4198
03:29:10,525 --> 03:29:13,365
we kind of anticipate a 20 year life expectancy.

4199
03:29:13,745 --> 03:29:16,925
But those get really heavily impacted by things like trees

4200
03:29:17,345 --> 03:29:19,405
and things like that that really cut into it. So

4201
03:29:20,275 --> 03:29:23,405
Yeah, I I just, it just concerns me that a path in a park

4202
03:29:23,405 --> 03:29:26,365
that's flat to me looks like it's completely different than

4203
03:29:26,515 --> 03:29:27,765
dips and curves and banks

4204
03:29:27,765 --> 03:29:30,525
and things of that nature that are gonna get in the same way

4205
03:29:30,525 --> 03:29:33,165
that the sidewalk in front of my house last

4206
03:29:33,785 --> 03:29:35,725
way longer than the skate park did.

4207
03:29:36,205 --> 03:29:38,245
I can way, way longer, like 10 times longer.

4208
03:29:38,665 --> 03:29:40,645
So I don't know if your analogy is exactly correct,

4209
03:29:40,885 --> 03:29:42,245
I just wanna make sure that you're

4210
03:29:42,365 --> 03:29:43,445
considering that that's, that's all.

4211
03:29:43,705 --> 03:29:46,165
Yep. And I can bring you everything from the people

4212
03:29:46,165 --> 03:29:47,885
that do this so they can try.

4213
03:29:48,315 --> 03:29:49,315
Rick,

4214
03:29:50,885 --> 03:29:54,525
I would also like consideration of looking at the aspect,

4215
03:29:55,305 --> 03:29:57,245
if we have to do a no rise certificate,

4216
03:29:57,395 --> 03:29:58,925
what would be a ballpark cost

4217
03:29:59,305 --> 03:30:00,925
and also what would be the timeline?

4218
03:30:01,205 --> 03:30:02,405
'cause for a study like

4219
03:30:02,405 --> 03:30:04,845
that it could be quite time consuming.

4220
03:30:05,145 --> 03:30:06,525
So if we are willing to move forward,

4221
03:30:07,025 --> 03:30:10,205
and I would also as, as Robin said, like

4222
03:30:10,205 --> 03:30:12,765
to know the lifespan and maintenance costs.

4223
03:30:13,135 --> 03:30:14,135
Thank you.

4224
03:30:15,235 --> 03:30:16,805
Eric, you got another question? Yeah,

4225
03:30:18,505 --> 03:30:21,645
So I, I think what, what you brought up sir,

4226
03:30:23,035 --> 03:30:24,325
that it's visible to the,

4227
03:30:24,395 --> 03:30:26,885
from the people driving on the freeway, I think I'd be,

4228
03:30:27,825 --> 03:30:32,005
I'd be interested in, in moving forward with Beacon Hill,

4229
03:30:32,465 --> 03:30:35,685
but that, that would, that would be obviously

4230
03:30:35,685 --> 03:30:39,565
what we already all talked about with the maintenance.

4231
03:30:40,025 --> 03:30:43,365
All of that would be into consideration.

4232
03:30:43,465 --> 03:30:44,465
So that's all I have.

4233
03:30:46,045 --> 03:30:49,625
Victoria, you got another question? N

4234
03:30:49,845 --> 03:30:51,225
no, no, not at this time. I

4235
03:30:51,225 --> 03:30:52,225
Thank you Seth.

4236
03:30:52,225 --> 03:30:52,785
You got any more questions?

4237
03:30:54,655 --> 03:30:55,785
Joel, do you have any more questions?

4238
03:30:58,595 --> 03:30:59,745
Indra, do you have any more questions?

4239
03:31:00,345 --> 03:31:03,105
I do. Thank you. Josh, what do you estimate the annual

4240
03:31:03,365 --> 03:31:05,065
for a new park at Beacon Hill?

4241
03:31:05,065 --> 03:31:07,305
What would be the approximate maintenance?

4242
03:31:07,425 --> 03:31:09,145
I mean we'd have to spend money then

4243
03:31:09,505 --> 03:31:11,185
maintaining it annually. What

4244
03:31:11,185 --> 03:31:12,785
Would you say That, so we've got a couple of metrics

4245
03:31:13,085 --> 03:31:16,105
to try to hit and our parks master plan

4246
03:31:16,735 --> 03:31:20,625
park maintenance really depends on features as well as

4247
03:31:20,625 --> 03:31:23,785
what level of service we're looking at providing at a

4248
03:31:23,985 --> 03:31:27,585
location for a standard level of service, I think we try

4249
03:31:27,585 --> 03:31:30,905
to keep the cost under $12,000 an acre for developed parks

4250
03:31:31,325 --> 03:31:35,745
for a low level, I think it's like 6,000.

4251
03:31:35,925 --> 03:31:39,585
And then for the highest level, which would be like Reinhart

4252
03:31:39,885 --> 03:31:42,625
and Riverside Park, where we have a lot of features,

4253
03:31:42,625 --> 03:31:44,425
amenities, and a lot of community events.

4254
03:31:44,925 --> 03:31:47,465
Our park master plan estimates us to be below,

4255
03:31:48,305 --> 03:31:51,305
I think it's $16,000 per acre with

4256
03:31:51,305 --> 03:31:53,265
that across our park system.

4257
03:31:53,355 --> 03:31:55,265
Right now, if you were to take all 200

4258
03:31:55,365 --> 03:31:58,025
of our developed acres, we're just under

4259
03:31:58,615 --> 03:32:02,425
like $13,000 per acre for the entire 200 acres

4260
03:32:02,425 --> 03:32:04,185
that we maintain as an average.

4261
03:32:04,925 --> 03:32:07,105
If you were to take all of our park properties,

4262
03:32:07,105 --> 03:32:10,945
including our reserve land, that we still have money

4263
03:32:10,945 --> 03:32:13,225
that goes out towards it, drops it down

4264
03:32:13,225 --> 03:32:17,225
to like $4,600 an acre, beacon Hill's, nine acres.

4265
03:32:17,325 --> 03:32:21,065
So if you're looking at a range, just go 5,000 times nine

4266
03:32:21,245 --> 03:32:23,625
to, you know, 12,000 times nine.

4267
03:32:23,725 --> 03:32:25,625
And that's kind of the range that we probably land in.

4268
03:32:25,915 --> 03:32:28,825
Thank you. You give such thorough answers to,

4269
03:32:30,705 --> 03:32:34,385
I would definitely be foregoing for a grant for it,

4270
03:32:34,405 --> 03:32:37,465
but I, I would be remiss if I didn't say some

4271
03:32:38,265 --> 03:32:39,865
residents in the area have written

4272
03:32:39,925 --> 03:32:43,705
to council about concerns about a park in general.

4273
03:32:43,845 --> 03:32:44,905
And I get it, it's

4274
03:32:44,905 --> 03:32:48,185
because of our problems with the homeless in the park

4275
03:32:48,525 --> 03:32:53,105
and the concerns are that it would just be another place to

4276
03:32:53,615 --> 03:32:57,105
attract homeless and they have a concern about that.

4277
03:32:57,245 --> 03:33:02,185
So I would also ask that a reach out to that area too.

4278
03:33:04,355 --> 03:33:06,265
Maybe a survey like we did

4279
03:33:06,365 --> 03:33:08,825
or ask, you know, we, we would need

4280
03:33:08,825 --> 03:33:11,825
to alleviate those concerns I think

4281
03:33:11,845 --> 03:33:14,465
before we went forward with, with some of that.

4282
03:33:14,845 --> 03:33:17,145
So as a part of the Beacon Hill Park discussion,

4283
03:33:17,285 --> 03:33:18,545
we were told to go back out

4284
03:33:18,545 --> 03:33:19,825
for surveys and things like that.

4285
03:33:19,885 --> 03:33:21,625
So we'll make sure the residents have their

4286
03:33:22,355 --> 03:33:23,745
voice and everything like that. Heard.

4287
03:33:23,975 --> 03:33:24,945
Perfect. Thank you.

4288
03:33:29,775 --> 03:33:30,985
Seriously. Okay,

4289
03:33:31,225 --> 03:33:33,225
I I need like five bucks for questions now.

4290
03:33:33,505 --> 03:33:35,185
I just kidding. Okay, go ahead. I'm, I'm

4291
03:33:35,185 --> 03:33:36,185
Sorry.

4292
03:33:36,185 --> 03:33:36,625
Already I don't have that. Thank you.

4293
03:33:37,225 --> 03:33:38,365
Now what I wanted to ask,

4294
03:33:38,545 --> 03:33:41,445
and I kind of got off track, was for Beacon Hill.

4295
03:33:43,025 --> 03:33:46,525
For Beacon Hill, are all those grants available for that

4296
03:33:46,755 --> 03:33:49,165
that you, that you showed on slide 11?

4297
03:33:49,185 --> 03:33:50,325
Is that, is there a potential

4298
03:33:50,875 --> 03:33:52,885
Yeah, For the full development of Beacon Hill,

4299
03:33:53,155 --> 03:33:54,885
it's eligible for all the standard

4300
03:33:54,885 --> 03:33:56,165
grants we typically go for.

4301
03:33:56,195 --> 03:33:58,005
Perfect, thank you so much. You're

4302
03:33:58,005 --> 03:33:59,005
Great.

4303
03:33:59,475 --> 03:34:01,805
Yeah, I was gonna address this during the agenda setting,

4304
03:34:02,025 --> 03:34:04,525
but since two things have come up

4305
03:34:04,525 --> 03:34:07,125
before this, I'll just say it really quickly, is

4306
03:34:07,935 --> 03:34:10,445
there have been community members

4307
03:34:10,545 --> 03:34:14,445
who are really concerned about a Beacon Hill Park at all.

4308
03:34:15,025 --> 03:34:19,045
And so I was going to, we had talked about

4309
03:34:19,585 --> 03:34:20,965
moving forward with that,

4310
03:34:21,065 --> 03:34:23,365
but now there are even different plans for that.

4311
03:34:23,665 --> 03:34:27,925
So, or possible that we're discussing not to anything to do

4312
03:34:27,925 --> 03:34:30,605
with what you, anything you did wrong, Josh or, or,

4313
03:34:31,385 --> 03:34:33,005
or Bradley or anyone.

4314
03:34:33,065 --> 03:34:36,085
But we definitely must go back.

4315
03:34:36,255 --> 03:34:39,205
There was a 2019 survey that was done

4316
03:34:39,265 --> 03:34:43,085
for the Beacon Hill Park and that's quite a few years ago.

4317
03:34:43,305 --> 03:34:46,445
So since many things have changed in the community since

4318
03:34:46,445 --> 03:34:47,965
then, we would definitely have to

4319
03:34:48,145 --> 03:34:51,725
and have to go back to the community, not even just

4320
03:34:51,725 --> 03:34:55,725
for a pump track but for a park

4321
03:34:56,425 --> 03:35:00,365
at all because we've, since the last workshop,

4322
03:35:00,365 --> 03:35:02,845
they have had a lot of feedback that doesn't have anything

4323
03:35:02,845 --> 03:35:04,485
to do with your presentation now, Josh,

4324
03:35:04,585 --> 03:35:06,445
but since others have brought it up,

4325
03:35:06,925 --> 03:35:10,605
I didn't wanna let it go by without mentioning that

4326
03:35:11,345 --> 03:35:12,645
and then I'll bring it up again

4327
03:35:12,645 --> 03:35:14,245
during agenda setting. Thanks.

4328
03:35:15,235 --> 03:35:18,405
Okay. I believe, I feel that

4329
03:35:19,255 --> 03:35:22,125
there is council sentiment to continue this question

4330
03:35:22,265 --> 03:35:23,885
or to continue the topic

4331
03:35:23,945 --> 03:35:27,005
of establishing a pump track within our city limits,

4332
03:35:27,065 --> 03:35:28,125
within our parks.

4333
03:35:28,185 --> 03:35:32,365
So I just want to get a true census from, with a thumbs up

4334
03:35:32,505 --> 03:35:33,605
to proceed forward

4335
03:35:33,635 --> 03:35:36,725
with exploring the pump track within the city limits

4336
03:35:37,465 --> 03:35:38,565
on a further workshop.

4337
03:35:39,635 --> 03:35:42,045
Perfect. Okay, so within the presentation today,

4338
03:35:42,045 --> 03:35:45,405
you guys were offered about five different locations.

4339
03:35:47,265 --> 03:35:49,605
So for that future workshop

4340
03:35:49,605 --> 03:35:51,885
where we'll actually get into the nuts

4341
03:35:51,885 --> 03:35:56,085
and bolts, do you guys have a preference on reviewing the

4342
03:35:56,195 --> 03:35:59,205
five different locations that were presented today

4343
03:35:59,225 --> 03:36:02,365
or narrow narrowing them down a little bit but we were gonna

4344
03:36:03,035 --> 03:36:07,365
Turn it back down the committees, now it's the concept

4345
03:36:07,465 --> 03:36:09,125
of put a really good one

4346
03:36:09,665 --> 03:36:11,045
and we're gonna get their opinion out.

4347
03:36:11,545 --> 03:36:13,845
No, I feel, I feel that that's just a little bit that

4348
03:36:13,845 --> 03:36:16,245
that's going on to a further in-depth workshop.

4349
03:36:16,305 --> 03:36:18,965
We got the opinion of the committees that they are for it

4350
03:36:19,065 --> 03:36:20,525
and then they were offered the question.

4351
03:36:20,625 --> 03:36:22,325
So I, I think that's kind of where I'm kind

4352
03:36:22,325 --> 03:36:24,885
of leading is building a new a, a workshop

4353
03:36:24,885 --> 03:36:26,045
to go into this in depthly.

4354
03:36:26,425 --> 03:36:27,685
So I guess the question, the question

4355
03:36:27,685 --> 03:36:30,125
to you guys is do you want, in a future workshop,

4356
03:36:30,125 --> 03:36:33,845
do you want to entertain all the five locations

4357
03:36:33,845 --> 03:36:35,045
that Josh presented

4358
03:36:35,265 --> 03:36:39,645
or a smaller number of them, Victoria?

4359
03:36:40,445 --> 03:36:42,125
I think it would, I think it would

4360
03:36:42,125 --> 03:36:43,165
be good to look at all of them.

4361
03:36:43,885 --> 03:36:45,365
I mean, so It doesn't seem like it

4362
03:36:45,365 --> 03:36:46,445
would be too much more work.

4363
03:36:46,575 --> 03:36:49,565
Let's get a council three rather than a council consensus

4364
03:36:49,565 --> 03:36:51,325
with a thumbs up if you want to entertain

4365
03:36:51,325 --> 03:36:53,845
and a future workshop to review of all five

4366
03:36:53,915 --> 03:36:55,765
that locations that were presented today.

4367
03:36:59,265 --> 03:37:02,885
Thumbs up, yes or no? Okay.

4368
03:37:03,365 --> 03:37:04,885
I only got two thumbs up.

4369
03:37:05,025 --> 03:37:08,325
So is there a nu is out of the five

4370
03:37:08,325 --> 03:37:11,525
that were presented today, a smaller number

4371
03:37:11,665 --> 03:37:13,885
or a a few parks that you want to review

4372
03:37:13,905 --> 03:37:15,245
for the a future workshop?

4373
03:37:16,695 --> 03:37:18,765
Could you just go through the different parks? Sure.

4374
03:37:19,145 --> 03:37:22,045
So basically it was presented Reinhart volunteer park,

4375
03:37:22,045 --> 03:37:25,085
which was the topic, the original topic of this discussion.

4376
03:37:26,075 --> 03:37:29,765
Riverside, I believe it's West Gilbert Creek Park

4377
03:37:29,815 --> 03:37:32,365
where it would be the old ball state, the ballpark

4378
03:37:33,455 --> 03:37:34,485
fruit, Dale Park.

4379
03:37:34,545 --> 03:37:36,685
It looked like there was two available spots.

4380
03:37:36,865 --> 03:37:39,485
And then to continue the future conversation

4381
03:37:39,485 --> 03:37:40,845
of putting it in Beacon Hill

4382
03:37:42,215 --> 03:37:44,205
Mayor, could we go through each individual

4383
03:37:44,235 --> 03:37:45,485
name? Thumb up, thumb down?

4384
03:37:45,595 --> 03:37:47,045
Sure. Okay.

4385
03:37:47,185 --> 03:37:51,885
So council sentiment on pinpointing a location

4386
03:37:52,345 --> 03:37:55,725
for a future pump track at Reinhart Volunteer Park.

4387
03:37:55,745 --> 03:37:59,965
Thumbs up or thumbs down The Reinhart Park.

4388
03:38:01,305 --> 03:38:01,925
So I got

4389
03:38:02,055 --> 03:38:06,485
3, 2, 1, 2, 3, 4, and three down.

4390
03:38:06,625 --> 03:38:08,525
So Reinhart Park will stay on the list.

4391
03:38:09,755 --> 03:38:11,005
Riverside Park West,

4392
03:38:11,005 --> 03:38:13,405
which is basically the Frisbee golf area.

4393
03:38:13,865 --> 03:38:15,045
Thumbs up or thumbs down?

4394
03:38:15,445 --> 03:38:18,885
I got one, two up all the rest.

4395
03:38:19,465 --> 03:38:21,205
1, 2, 3, up and four down.

4396
03:38:21,305 --> 03:38:23,605
So Riverside Park West will be excluded.

4397
03:38:23,955 --> 03:38:27,165
Gilbert Creek Ball park, up or down?

4398
03:38:28,275 --> 03:38:31,245
Down, down. One up all down. Okay.

4399
03:38:31,245 --> 03:38:34,725
That one will be excluded. Fruit Dale, fruit Dale Park.

4400
03:38:34,725 --> 03:38:36,565
There was two locations on Fruit. Dale Park.

4401
03:38:36,565 --> 03:38:41,085
Thumbs up or thumbs down? I got 1, 2, 3, 4 thumbs up.

4402
03:38:41,105 --> 03:38:42,485
So that one will stay in.

4403
03:38:43,185 --> 03:38:46,685
And the continuation of putting something in Beacon Hill.

4404
03:38:48,945 --> 03:38:50,725
1, 2, 3, 4, 5 up.

4405
03:38:50,865 --> 03:38:55,645
So we will proceed forward with a future workshop

4406
03:38:55,705 --> 03:38:56,725
and discussion of Fruit.

4407
03:38:56,885 --> 03:39:01,845
Dale, beacon Hill and Reinhardt. Is that correct? Okay.

4408
03:39:02,385 --> 03:39:06,405
And within that future workshop we will build into that

4409
03:39:07,965 --> 03:39:11,125
further discussion of size and scope

4410
03:39:12,585 --> 03:39:14,605
and funding and funding options.

4411
03:39:16,355 --> 03:39:17,885
Okay. Yes, Victoria Question.

4412
03:39:18,515 --> 03:39:23,445
Well, along with the Beacon Hill there also needs to be

4413
03:39:24,385 --> 03:39:28,565
the community survey that might be a bigger issue,

4414
03:39:28,585 --> 03:39:32,725
The future work That we need to re survey the

4415
03:39:32,725 --> 03:39:33,725
Community.

4416
03:39:33,725 --> 03:39:36,085
Understand that the future workshop that I am going

4417
03:39:36,085 --> 03:39:39,405
to be building right this second is to, is on the discussion

4418
03:39:39,405 --> 03:39:40,565
of a pump track only.

4419
03:39:41,105 --> 03:39:44,605
So that would be basically expanding into Beacon Hill

4420
03:39:44,625 --> 03:39:47,325
to have counsel discuss whether that would be a future for

4421
03:39:47,325 --> 03:39:49,525
that, not the whole of Beacon Hill Park,

4422
03:39:49,635 --> 03:39:51,965
just whether we put a pump track in it or not.

4423
03:39:54,225 --> 03:39:56,635
Okay. So does staff have direction

4424
03:39:57,805 --> 03:39:58,635
Aaron? Yes. Thank you.

4425
03:39:58,865 --> 03:40:03,515
Okay, thank you. Moving on in the workshop agenda,

4426
03:40:03,815 --> 03:40:06,955
we have council meeting protocol

4427
03:40:07,215 --> 03:40:09,955
and Aaron will start out with a presentation

4428
03:40:11,895 --> 03:40:13,395
and thank you guys from the committees

4429
03:40:13,395 --> 03:40:14,635
for your, your participation.

4430
03:40:14,935 --> 03:40:16,355
Oh, thank you guys. Appreciate it very much.

4431
03:40:33,705 --> 03:40:34,965
All right, mayor, council, thank you.

4432
03:40:35,065 --> 03:40:36,525
I'm, I'm very excited today

4433
03:40:36,545 --> 03:40:38,365
for council's interest in my opportunity

4434
03:40:38,385 --> 03:40:41,325
to talk about something that is really foundational to

4435
03:40:41,325 --> 03:40:42,725
how we operate as a governing body.

4436
03:40:43,515 --> 03:40:45,685
Today's conversation is about meeting the quorum

4437
03:40:45,685 --> 03:40:48,805
and protocol, how we show up, how we work together,

4438
03:40:49,785 --> 03:40:51,845
and ultimately how we serve the community.

4439
03:40:52,505 --> 03:40:54,485
Our goal is to strengthen our teamwork

4440
03:40:54,585 --> 03:40:55,845
and our culture of governance

4441
03:40:57,145 --> 03:41:00,005
and the professionalism of the organization.

4442
03:41:02,595 --> 03:41:04,725
This conversation is about building a shared understanding

4443
03:41:04,725 --> 03:41:07,285
of how we conduct ourselves before, during, and

4444
03:41:07,285 --> 03:41:08,405
after the council meetings.

4445
03:41:08,835 --> 03:41:11,405
This framework will help us get to the fundamentals

4446
03:41:12,185 --> 03:41:14,725
and reflect well on the organization and the community.

4447
03:41:14,725 --> 03:41:16,125
This isn't about adding rules,

4448
03:41:16,195 --> 03:41:18,685
it's about maybe a small review of our own current rules

4449
03:41:19,185 --> 03:41:21,245
and looking at how many we may want to implement those

4450
03:41:21,585 --> 03:41:24,725
to build public trust and make our jobs easier.

4451
03:41:26,785 --> 03:41:28,565
You may have seen a little bit of that today

4452
03:41:29,435 --> 03:41:30,885
with the mayor going through

4453
03:41:30,905 --> 03:41:33,205
and sort of doing a, a different concept

4454
03:41:33,385 --> 03:41:34,805
of providing public comment.

4455
03:41:35,915 --> 03:41:39,725
This presentation has been narrowed down about two thirds

4456
03:41:39,725 --> 03:41:40,725
of its original size.

4457
03:41:41,205 --> 03:41:44,805
In order to try to keep this quick, I'm not going over a lot

4458
03:41:44,805 --> 03:41:47,365
of our already procedures that we have in place.

4459
03:41:47,465 --> 03:41:49,645
We did have a presentation on that a little while ago.

4460
03:41:49,955 --> 03:41:51,485
This is just a general framework

4461
03:41:51,945 --> 03:41:55,285
to start an open discussion on how we would like to

4462
03:41:56,635 --> 03:41:59,485
perform as a council and as a team.

4463
03:42:02,685 --> 03:42:03,885
I think we've all been in a meeting

4464
03:42:03,885 --> 03:42:05,285
where things have started to drift,

4465
03:42:05,295 --> 03:42:07,685
where people have maybe gotten frustrated with each other,

4466
03:42:09,055 --> 03:42:10,965
maybe made snarky remarks,

4467
03:42:11,625 --> 03:42:13,125
and all of a sudden people are starting

4468
03:42:13,145 --> 03:42:14,605
to get a little tense and they start

4469
03:42:14,605 --> 03:42:16,445
to withdraw from the council meetings.

4470
03:42:17,515 --> 03:42:21,725
What decorum does is decorum provides an opportunity for us

4471
03:42:21,745 --> 03:42:24,805
to protect the integrity and ensure that everyone gets heard

4472
03:42:24,945 --> 03:42:27,005
and helps us provide for good decision making.

4473
03:42:27,035 --> 03:42:28,405
When it comes to your policies,

4474
03:42:30,545 --> 03:42:33,605
our behavior here sends a very clear message on how we lead.

4475
03:42:33,825 --> 03:42:36,205
And so people see how we interact together.

4476
03:42:40,675 --> 03:42:43,525
When decorum slips, the impact is immediate.

4477
03:42:44,045 --> 03:42:46,285
Meetings take longer and become less productive.

4478
03:42:47,055 --> 03:42:49,605
Trust begins to erode between members of the council,

4479
03:42:49,715 --> 03:42:51,285
with staff and within the community.

4480
03:42:51,785 --> 03:42:54,365
And over time, these issues can damage the reputation.

4481
03:42:54,365 --> 03:42:54,885
As a city,

4482
03:42:59,185 --> 03:43:01,685
we all have roles in providing good governments in a meeting

4483
03:43:02,475 --> 03:43:05,605
council focuses on policy and does so with professionalism

4484
03:43:05,825 --> 03:43:09,525
and respect, where the presiding officer is responsible

4485
03:43:09,525 --> 03:43:12,085
for making sure that they maintain a fair process

4486
03:43:13,385 --> 03:43:17,725
and the staff comes forward to you with factual expertise

4487
03:43:17,825 --> 03:43:19,045
to support your decisions.

4488
03:43:19,515 --> 03:43:21,005
When these roles are clear

4489
03:43:21,665 --> 03:43:24,285
and respected, the entire meeting runs more smoothly.

4490
03:43:28,515 --> 03:43:30,735
Strong meetings really start with preparation.

4491
03:43:31,445 --> 03:43:34,015
Reviewing packets ahead of time means we spend time

4492
03:43:34,535 --> 03:43:36,455
deliberating towards direction

4493
03:43:36,475 --> 03:43:39,055
and decisions instead of using workshops

4494
03:43:39,055 --> 03:43:41,695
or meetings to try to catch up and get fully informed.

4495
03:43:42,675 --> 03:43:44,815
Asking clarifying questions in advance

4496
03:43:44,865 --> 03:43:46,375
helps avoid surprises.

4497
03:43:47,155 --> 03:43:48,695
And following the agenda along

4498
03:43:48,695 --> 03:43:50,055
with the presiding officer's guidance,

4499
03:43:50,585 --> 03:43:52,455
keeps us organized to ensure fairness.

4500
03:43:53,505 --> 03:43:55,815
These are the basics, but they're incredibly important.

4501
03:43:57,095 --> 03:43:59,735
I see this as a, a another, as a a team example.

4502
03:43:59,855 --> 03:44:01,495
I know I used Michael Jordan before and,

4503
03:44:01,515 --> 03:44:02,975
and being an effective counsel,

4504
03:44:03,675 --> 03:44:05,015
but if you've got a team

4505
03:44:05,445 --> 03:44:07,775
that has done their homework in advance of the game

4506
03:44:08,315 --> 03:44:11,455
and then you've got just a star player, you know,

4507
03:44:12,725 --> 03:44:13,855
Heisman trophy winner,

4508
03:44:14,435 --> 03:44:17,655
but they didn't do their homework in advance of the game

4509
03:44:17,675 --> 03:44:19,735
and they come into the huddle and you do your first play

4510
03:44:19,735 --> 03:44:21,895
and they're like, okay, we're gonna run 24 B

4511
03:44:22,635 --> 03:44:25,935
and they're like, I, I don't know what 24 B is.

4512
03:44:25,935 --> 03:44:28,255
Hey guys, can we talk about 24 and timeout?

4513
03:44:28,285 --> 03:44:29,855
Time violation, five yard penalty.

4514
03:44:30,955 --> 03:44:34,255
So doing your homework is really important

4515
03:44:34,495 --> 03:44:37,135
'cause then when it comes to game day, which is every one

4516
03:44:37,135 --> 03:44:38,655
of your council meetings, everyone

4517
03:44:38,655 --> 03:44:40,935
of your council meetings should be treated as a Super Bowl.

4518
03:44:40,935 --> 03:44:42,295
People are watching, whether it be

4519
03:44:42,295 --> 03:44:43,575
a workshop or a business meeting.

4520
03:44:43,955 --> 03:44:45,775
So coming prepared is extremely important

4521
03:44:45,775 --> 03:44:47,135
and that's from a staff perspective

4522
03:44:47,275 --> 03:44:48,815
and from from a council perspective.

4523
03:44:51,725 --> 03:44:54,025
During the meeting, the goal is to stay on topic,

4524
03:44:54,215 --> 03:44:56,185
keep things concise and remain professional.

4525
03:44:57,085 --> 03:45:00,305
One thing that really helps is avoiding some of these items

4526
03:45:00,335 --> 03:45:01,465
that are are listed here.

4527
03:45:01,735 --> 03:45:04,625
They seem small, but they can make a big difference.

4528
03:45:06,965 --> 03:45:09,105
And after the meetings, respect the decision

4529
03:45:09,125 --> 03:45:11,705
of the governing body and move forward.

4530
03:45:15,255 --> 03:45:16,745
Respect this in about agreement.

4531
03:45:16,925 --> 03:45:18,745
I'm not talking about everyone having to agree.

4532
03:45:18,855 --> 03:45:20,905
It's about how we handle disagreement.

4533
03:45:21,755 --> 03:45:25,625
Consistent respect improves the legitimacy of our decisions.

4534
03:45:29,525 --> 03:45:31,845
Pierre, I've got a list of of behaviors

4535
03:45:31,845 --> 03:45:33,845
that ultimately undermine decorum.

4536
03:45:34,255 --> 03:45:36,365
We've probably all seen these type of behaviors,

4537
03:45:36,395 --> 03:45:39,285
whether it be interrupting, mocking,

4538
03:45:40,475 --> 03:45:41,965
providing public criticism.

4539
03:45:43,555 --> 03:45:45,045
They make people feel unsafe

4540
03:45:45,385 --> 03:45:46,805
and they don't want, they make it

4541
03:45:46,805 --> 03:45:48,125
where people don't wanna speak up.

4542
03:45:48,425 --> 03:45:49,565
And then ultimately it,

4543
03:45:49,665 --> 03:45:52,805
it does put a strain on good decision making.

4544
03:45:56,975 --> 03:45:59,565
We're not talking about efficiency from a standpoint

4545
03:45:59,565 --> 03:46:00,805
of running a meeting through

4546
03:46:00,985 --> 03:46:02,765
and getting it done as quick as possible.

4547
03:46:03,895 --> 03:46:05,645
Efficiency is not about rushing,

4548
03:46:05,995 --> 03:46:09,045
it's about focusing discussion where it adds value.

4549
03:46:09,785 --> 03:46:11,565
The public appreciates discipline.

4550
03:46:11,845 --> 03:46:15,645
Well-managed meetings, a good conversation has a rhythm.

4551
03:46:16,955 --> 03:46:18,375
We build on each other's ideas.

4552
03:46:18,715 --> 03:46:22,375
We avoid repeating ourselves and we ask clarifying questions

4553
03:46:22,915 --> 03:46:25,735
and we keep an eye on the outcome.

4554
03:46:25,835 --> 03:46:27,135
And good policy decisions

4555
03:46:30,825 --> 03:46:32,435
Working effectively with staff.

4556
03:46:34,525 --> 03:46:36,275
Staff is here to help make

4557
03:46:36,275 --> 03:46:37,755
well-informed decisions for council.

4558
03:46:38,815 --> 03:46:41,155
The more predictable and respectful our communication is,

4559
03:46:41,655 --> 03:46:44,675
the more confident and efficient staff will be.

4560
03:46:45,865 --> 03:46:48,235
Performance and morale are strongly influenced

4561
03:46:48,335 --> 03:46:50,155
by our interactions with each other.

4562
03:46:50,715 --> 03:46:53,395
Professional engagement supports better work

4563
03:46:53,395 --> 03:46:58,395
products from our perspective.

4564
03:46:58,795 --> 03:47:00,235
A number of things that we've talked about in one

4565
03:47:00,235 --> 03:47:01,835
of our agenda setting meetings that I've talked about

4566
03:47:01,835 --> 03:47:03,235
with the mayor are a few things

4567
03:47:03,235 --> 03:47:04,595
that we're looking at considering

4568
03:47:04,975 --> 03:47:06,515
to help make things more efficient.

4569
03:47:08,535 --> 03:47:09,955
Our presentations coming forward,

4570
03:47:10,125 --> 03:47:12,635
we're considering making them as short

4571
03:47:12,655 --> 03:47:17,275
and succinct, 10 minutes or less using slides when necessary

4572
03:47:17,495 --> 03:47:22,315
and focusing on policy decisions for counsel on items

4573
03:47:22,385 --> 03:47:24,515
that require more than a 10 minute presentation

4574
03:47:24,515 --> 03:47:26,115
or that would normally require more than a

4575
03:47:26,115 --> 03:47:27,195
10 minute presentation.

4576
03:47:27,605 --> 03:47:30,435
We'll provide a memo with the presentation.

4577
03:47:30,815 --> 03:47:32,155
So the majority of the background

4578
03:47:32,155 --> 03:47:33,235
information will be in the memo.

4579
03:47:33,335 --> 03:47:35,675
The presentation will highlight the more complex issue.

4580
03:47:35,895 --> 03:47:36,915
So when it comes to a meeting,

4581
03:47:37,125 --> 03:47:39,275
we'll provide a short succinct presentation

4582
03:47:39,735 --> 03:47:43,435
and we'll be asking for additional clarifying questions.

4583
03:47:43,815 --> 03:47:46,235
And then council will ultimately be focused on policy

4584
03:47:46,595 --> 03:47:49,115
questions that we can help provide information for

4585
03:47:52,255 --> 03:47:53,645
Streamline business meetings.

4586
03:47:54,385 --> 03:47:56,365
And that would be for workshop for business meeting.

4587
03:47:56,365 --> 03:47:59,085
We do the same. We would streamline our, our presentations,

4588
03:47:59,085 --> 03:48:00,405
especially if the presentation

4589
03:48:00,405 --> 03:48:01,605
was already done in a workshop.

4590
03:48:02,075 --> 03:48:03,685
We'd make it relatively succinct

4591
03:48:03,705 --> 03:48:05,365
and what action we're looking

4592
03:48:05,385 --> 03:48:06,725
for from a council perspective.

4593
03:48:07,145 --> 03:48:08,765
So from a PA staff perspective,

4594
03:48:09,175 --> 03:48:11,205
we'll not be occupying a lot of council's time.

4595
03:48:11,465 --> 03:48:13,685
The time will be spent on council deliberating

4596
03:48:13,905 --> 03:48:16,365
and making a decision on the policy itself.

4597
03:48:16,595 --> 03:48:19,445
Most of the questions will have been answered, whether it be

4598
03:48:19,445 --> 03:48:21,525
through the memo or through questions in a memo

4599
03:48:21,665 --> 03:48:22,885
at a workshop in advance.

4600
03:48:30,475 --> 03:48:33,335
Moving on from a standpoint of legal framework of things,

4601
03:48:33,415 --> 03:48:34,455
I just wanted to put this in.

4602
03:48:34,455 --> 03:48:36,695
Your state law does give you the authority to adopt rules.

4603
03:48:36,715 --> 03:48:40,095
It keeps meeting fair, orderly and participatory.

4604
03:48:41,475 --> 03:48:44,095
And there's a breakdown where we have lateral responses

4605
03:48:44,195 --> 03:48:45,415
and it all depends on what that is.

4606
03:48:45,835 --> 03:48:48,015
But counsel does have the authority to adopt rules

4607
03:48:48,115 --> 03:48:49,455
to regulate your meetings.

4608
03:48:50,145 --> 03:48:53,855
You'd ultimately have the authority to adopt rules

4609
03:48:54,485 --> 03:48:55,935
with corrective actions.

4610
03:48:56,205 --> 03:48:59,975
Also like coaching, informal warnings, counsel discussions

4611
03:48:59,975 --> 03:49:01,335
and other formal actions is needed.

4612
03:49:05,635 --> 03:49:07,375
One of the things that's lacking right now

4613
03:49:07,555 --> 03:49:08,895
and that we're recommending,

4614
03:49:08,955 --> 03:49:11,015
and it's on the D for you, is a code of conduct.

4615
03:49:12,335 --> 03:49:13,335
Assigned code of conduct.

4616
03:49:13,495 --> 03:49:15,295
A code of conduct that every council member

4617
03:49:15,295 --> 03:49:16,455
would sign every year.

4618
03:49:16,895 --> 03:49:20,455
Reinforcing and reaffirming the the group norms

4619
03:49:20,755 --> 03:49:22,415
and the values that hold true to yourself.

4620
03:49:24,255 --> 03:49:26,055
That code of conduct establishes shared

4621
03:49:26,055 --> 03:49:27,415
expectations for decorum.

4622
03:49:28,515 --> 03:49:30,855
It reinforces ethical and respectable behavior.

4623
03:49:30,955 --> 03:49:33,055
It provides the tools for conflict resolution,

4624
03:49:33,595 --> 03:49:35,935
it ensures consistency in public communication

4625
03:49:36,155 --> 03:49:37,575
and ultimately it builds trust

4626
03:49:37,575 --> 03:49:39,135
among council staff in the residents.

4627
03:49:43,745 --> 03:49:45,435
When all of these things are done well,

4628
03:49:45,915 --> 03:49:47,155
meetings go a lot easier.

4629
03:49:47,955 --> 03:49:50,355
Decisions get better and the community sees a council

4630
03:49:50,385 --> 03:49:52,795
that leads together even when we disagree.

4631
03:49:53,415 --> 03:49:55,395
That's the standard we all wanna be known for.

4632
03:49:58,795 --> 03:50:01,195
Together we can build a culture of professionalism, respect,

4633
03:50:01,815 --> 03:50:02,875
and effective governance.

4634
03:50:03,815 --> 03:50:05,195
We want to be the example in

4635
03:50:05,195 --> 03:50:06,955
how government can work when people listen,

4636
03:50:07,665 --> 03:50:10,915
respect each other and stay focused on community we serve.

4637
03:50:11,815 --> 03:50:15,035
That's what builds trust more than anything we put in paper.

4638
03:50:16,375 --> 03:50:18,595
So thank you for leaning into this conversation.

4639
03:50:19,475 --> 03:50:22,835
Whatever direction you choose, adopting procedures,

4640
03:50:22,835 --> 03:50:25,235
setting the norms, moving towards a code of conduct,

4641
03:50:26,095 --> 03:50:27,755
we are here ready to help you

4642
03:50:28,095 --> 03:50:29,835
and keep building the kind of government culture

4643
03:50:30,425 --> 03:50:32,995
that really reflects well on the value of Grants Pass.

4644
03:50:34,745 --> 03:50:37,155
With that, I'll turn it over to you Mayor,

4645
03:50:37,495 --> 03:50:39,715
and it's really an open discussion on sort of

4646
03:50:39,715 --> 03:50:41,075
where we want to go with our meetings.

4647
03:50:41,595 --> 03:50:42,715
I appreciate that. Thank you Aaron.

4648
03:50:43,195 --> 03:50:46,715
I want to add to that is the objective of this

4649
03:50:48,605 --> 03:50:53,475
Topic, of this workshop is to reemphasize everybody's

4650
03:50:54,435 --> 03:50:56,155
participation and preparedness.

4651
03:50:58,415 --> 03:50:59,555
I'm gonna be encouraging

4652
03:50:59,855 --> 03:51:03,915
and hopefully council will like this, that

4653
03:51:04,135 --> 03:51:06,475
to encourage staff to make sure that all information

4654
03:51:06,495 --> 03:51:07,795
for workshops is

4655
03:51:08,115 --> 03:51:12,315
provided in a ti with, with a time ahead of time.

4656
03:51:12,975 --> 03:51:16,155
I'm saying that right? So I'm encouraging staff to make sure

4657
03:51:16,155 --> 03:51:17,235
that the presentations

4658
03:51:17,255 --> 03:51:19,955
for workshops information is available ahead of time

4659
03:51:20,055 --> 03:51:22,475
so you all have time to digest it.

4660
03:51:22,475 --> 03:51:25,035
Just the same format as you, as we do for the

4661
03:51:25,905 --> 03:51:28,805
public meetings at the evening time is when the packets are

4662
03:51:28,805 --> 03:51:30,085
published seven days ahead of time

4663
03:51:30,145 --> 03:51:31,365
so you guys can digest it.

4664
03:51:31,365 --> 03:51:33,725
We're gonna try to do not the same timeframe,

4665
03:51:33,725 --> 03:51:35,525
but going to give you guys a little bit of time to

4666
03:51:36,465 --> 03:51:38,205
digest the information that's gonna be

4667
03:51:38,545 --> 03:51:40,285
of each topic within the workshops.

4668
03:51:40,425 --> 03:51:41,445
So you can be prepared

4669
03:51:41,445 --> 03:51:42,725
and have your questions ahead of time.

4670
03:51:44,085 --> 03:51:46,925
I would like to start implementing.

4671
03:51:47,075 --> 03:51:48,965
Yeah, to, to expand on that Mayor.

4672
03:51:49,065 --> 03:51:50,765
So what we're, when the mayor and I talked about is,

4673
03:51:50,765 --> 03:51:52,885
well from a staff perspective, we'll try

4674
03:51:52,885 --> 03:51:54,525
to get you the presentations and

4675
03:51:54,705 --> 03:51:57,845
or supporting memos Wednesday and not Friday.

4676
03:51:58,195 --> 03:51:59,965
That provides a number of additional days for you

4677
03:51:59,965 --> 03:52:02,565
to review the information and ask clarifying questions.

4678
03:52:03,065 --> 03:52:05,925
So when we come to the council meetings on the dais,

4679
03:52:05,925 --> 03:52:08,645
you have the ability to maybe ask, you have,

4680
03:52:09,265 --> 03:52:12,205
if you've got like seven questions outta that memo and

4681
03:52:12,205 --> 03:52:14,445
or presentation, you've got a number of days

4682
03:52:14,545 --> 03:52:17,405
to contact staff and say, Hey, I've got these nine questions

4683
03:52:17,625 --> 03:52:21,285
and get those answered to then the time can be spent on the

4684
03:52:21,395 --> 03:52:23,605
DAAs with real deliberation

4685
03:52:23,665 --> 03:52:25,445
and decision making when it comes to the policy

4686
03:52:25,445 --> 03:52:29,365
that's at hand and not, not a full information gathering

4687
03:52:29,365 --> 03:52:31,325
during the workshop or, and or business meeting.

4688
03:52:32,355 --> 03:52:33,645
Yeah, the, the sentiment is

4689
03:52:33,645 --> 03:52:35,605
to make sure everything is a little bit more efficient

4690
03:52:35,605 --> 03:52:38,685
because realistically the premise of a workshop, the premise

4691
03:52:38,745 --> 03:52:41,525
of the public meeting is to do city business.

4692
03:52:43,065 --> 03:52:44,365
You know, there's nowhere in the charter

4693
03:52:44,365 --> 03:52:46,485
that says this is your opportunity to speak

4694
03:52:46,485 --> 03:52:50,205
to your constituents, to, to air your grievances.

4695
03:52:50,525 --> 03:52:52,845
There is time in matters for mayor

4696
03:52:52,865 --> 03:52:54,965
and council to bring up new topics and ideas

4697
03:52:55,185 --> 03:52:57,365
and you know, to air some stuff.

4698
03:52:57,505 --> 03:53:00,005
But realistically, during these workshops we should be

4699
03:53:00,665 --> 03:53:02,885
coming into the workshops with the appetite

4700
03:53:02,905 --> 03:53:04,645
to digest the information

4701
03:53:05,065 --> 03:53:08,085
and have be a little bit prepared

4702
03:53:08,145 --> 03:53:09,285
so you can actually have

4703
03:53:09,285 --> 03:53:10,845
poignant questions back at the staff.

4704
03:53:10,865 --> 03:53:13,405
So it's, it's, it's giving them an effective timeline.

4705
03:53:13,405 --> 03:53:15,085
It's giving us an effective timeline.

4706
03:53:15,595 --> 03:53:16,805
Same thing that we already do

4707
03:53:16,805 --> 03:53:18,845
for the meetings you guys do very, very well.

4708
03:53:18,905 --> 03:53:20,405
So we just want to keep, keep that.

4709
03:53:21,085 --> 03:53:24,645
I just kind of see the workshops specifically example,

4710
03:53:24,895 --> 03:53:28,005
today we had set aside an hour to get all

4711
03:53:28,005 --> 03:53:30,445
of our local organizations to present

4712
03:53:31,265 --> 03:53:33,605
and you counsel can ask questions

4713
03:53:33,625 --> 03:53:35,605
and get some more clarifying information

4714
03:53:36,305 --> 03:53:39,285
and that hour turned up into almost two and a half hours.

4715
03:53:39,705 --> 03:53:41,685
So it's, it's just seems,

4716
03:53:42,565 --> 03:53:45,165
I personally don't have the bandwidth anymore to, to,

4717
03:53:45,465 --> 03:53:49,645
to spend all day in this chamber kind of going over stuff

4718
03:53:49,645 --> 03:53:51,325
that should have been prepared for.

4719
03:53:51,505 --> 03:53:54,085
So that's kind of the sentiment that I'm trying

4720
03:53:54,085 --> 03:53:57,085
to get across with this workshop topic today.

4721
03:53:57,785 --> 03:54:00,565
So with that, I'll bring it back to counsel.

4722
03:54:01,785 --> 03:54:03,445
And Rob, do you have any questions?

4723
03:54:03,945 --> 03:54:05,365
I'm sorry, I was gonna start the other way.

4724
03:54:05,365 --> 03:54:06,365
Indra, do you have any questions?

4725
03:54:08,965 --> 03:54:12,525
I have comments but not questions. Do we wanna do that

4726
03:54:12,525 --> 03:54:14,525
Or we can go into discussion a little Blair just Okay.

4727
03:54:14,525 --> 03:54:16,245
Curious if we had any questions at this moment in time?

4728
03:54:16,835 --> 03:54:21,505
Joel, do you have any questions? Seth?

4729
03:54:23,085 --> 03:54:26,085
Victoria, does anybody have any questions? Rick?

4730
03:54:28,945 --> 03:54:30,885
So on that Wednesday, would a hard copy

4731
03:54:31,105 --> 03:54:32,885
of all the presentation be available?

4732
03:54:33,165 --> 03:54:34,405
'cause I'm a hard copy person.

4733
03:54:35,265 --> 03:54:37,605
If counsel desires to have a hard copies on Wednesdays

4734
03:54:37,625 --> 03:54:39,685
of the presentations, we can definitely have

4735
03:54:39,685 --> 03:54:40,925
those hard copies available.

4736
03:54:41,235 --> 03:54:45,245
Okay, thank you. Rob. Any questions?

4737
03:54:45,945 --> 03:54:48,485
No question. Okay. Thank you ma'am. Thank you very much.

4738
03:54:48,825 --> 03:54:50,485
All right, I'll bring it back for discussion.

4739
03:54:50,705 --> 03:54:51,885
Andrea, you had discussion?

4740
03:54:53,645 --> 03:54:58,285
I did. I I notice, I don't notice that any

4741
03:54:58,345 --> 03:55:02,205
of these council members, including myself, come unprepared.

4742
03:55:02,525 --> 03:55:05,325
I think we all spend a lot of time on the things.

4743
03:55:06,085 --> 03:55:10,565
I think the round table while worth trying was kind

4744
03:55:10,565 --> 03:55:12,845
of a waste of time going down.

4745
03:55:13,125 --> 03:55:14,525
'cause some people don't have comments.

4746
03:55:15,045 --> 03:55:18,405
I, I don't know where, I mean, it's fine to try new things,

4747
03:55:19,025 --> 03:55:22,645
but I, I don't think that we come unprepared

4748
03:55:22,825 --> 03:55:25,565
and I think we ask questions that are pertinent

4749
03:55:25,905 --> 03:55:27,125
to making decisions.

4750
03:55:27,545 --> 03:55:31,085
And then I would say, I do think it is a time

4751
03:55:31,585 --> 03:55:35,925
to let our constituents know why we're voting certain ways

4752
03:55:36,265 --> 03:55:40,205
or they certainly can come give public comment.

4753
03:55:40,635 --> 03:55:42,805
It's twice a month we get that.

4754
03:55:43,025 --> 03:55:46,765
And I think all of us spend a ton of time going out

4755
03:55:46,785 --> 03:55:50,565
and talking to constituents, researching things.

4756
03:55:50,965 --> 03:55:53,285
I mean, I know this is like a full-time job

4757
03:55:54,145 --> 03:55:57,445
and so I have one workshop, two a month

4758
03:55:57,745 --> 03:56:01,685
and two meetings a month to actually convey to constituents

4759
03:56:01,685 --> 03:56:04,965
because a lot of people watch our workshops

4760
03:56:05,025 --> 03:56:09,725
and they watch our meetings on to ask questions

4761
03:56:09,905 --> 03:56:11,445
and get the full information.

4762
03:56:11,505 --> 03:56:16,445
And I get, there are some things I could come to staff

4763
03:56:16,505 --> 03:56:20,085
and ask prior and I'll try to do a better job with that.

4764
03:56:20,145 --> 03:56:23,485
But sometimes there's just not time to do

4765
03:56:23,485 --> 03:56:24,645
that before the meeting.

4766
03:56:25,145 --> 03:56:29,125
But I'll try to do a better job so I don't,

4767
03:56:29,245 --> 03:56:33,565
I just think maybe we put less on the workshop.

4768
03:56:36,455 --> 03:56:38,445
Thank you for your discussion, Andrew. I do wanna clarify.

4769
03:56:38,985 --> 03:56:42,005
I'm, I'm not, I didn't set this workshop up

4770
03:56:42,005 --> 03:56:43,765
to be accusatory towards anybody.

4771
03:56:43,915 --> 03:56:47,005
I've actually had this on the agenda for months and months

4772
03:56:47,025 --> 03:56:49,165
and months and months and we finally got around to doing it.

4773
03:56:49,675 --> 03:56:51,845
This is just another attempt for us

4774
03:56:51,865 --> 03:56:54,045
to be a well-oiled, efficient machine.

4775
03:56:54,045 --> 03:56:57,125
That's it. I'm, I'm not up here accusing anybody of any

4776
03:56:58,365 --> 03:57:00,685
anything that you're not fulfilling your duties.

4777
03:57:00,905 --> 03:57:03,885
I'm, we're, we're, we're working as a unified body here

4778
03:57:03,945 --> 03:57:06,365
to try to come up with an efficient manner.

4779
03:57:06,385 --> 03:57:07,685
And that's, that's, that's all this is.

4780
03:57:07,685 --> 03:57:10,285
This is just to hopefully better ourselves. That's it.

4781
03:57:10,355 --> 03:57:12,685
There's hopefully don't take anything accusatory.

4782
03:57:12,695 --> 03:57:15,245
We're not, I'm not personally bringing this to you

4783
03:57:15,545 --> 03:57:18,605
to accuse anybody of being, lack of being preparedness.

4784
03:57:18,605 --> 03:57:21,085
This is just more of us trying to work

4785
03:57:21,185 --> 03:57:23,285
as a team in an efficient manner,

4786
03:57:23,505 --> 03:57:25,005
in a professional manner. That's it.

4787
03:57:25,785 --> 03:57:29,645
Yes. And I, I'm not accusing you of being accusatory,

4788
03:57:30,145 --> 03:57:31,565
so just to make that clear

4789
03:57:31,785 --> 03:57:32,785
Oh yeah, I know.

4790
03:57:32,785 --> 03:57:33,525
We're just, we're just airing it out.

4791
03:57:34,305 --> 03:57:37,045
So any further discussion, Rob?

4792
03:57:39,445 --> 03:57:41,405
A couple things. One, I think that

4793
03:57:44,105 --> 03:57:45,925
the length of time that was scheduled today

4794
03:57:45,985 --> 03:57:48,365
for the presenters, for presenters for

4795
03:57:50,405 --> 03:57:51,525
economic development and tourism

4796
03:57:51,625 --> 03:57:53,645
and such was just probably unrealistically short.

4797
03:57:53,715 --> 03:57:57,165
That just was just to say that that was a, any kind of fault

4798
03:57:57,345 --> 03:58:00,165
or, or that council was dragging it out.

4799
03:58:00,365 --> 03:58:02,125
I just think that if you schedule an hour for that,

4800
03:58:02,125 --> 03:58:03,325
that just was unrealistic.

4801
03:58:03,825 --> 03:58:06,725
But that's my opinion. But the thing I have a little more

4802
03:58:06,725 --> 03:58:10,365
concern with, and this actually is just, you know,

4803
03:58:10,365 --> 03:58:13,165
really borderline as far as, you know,

4804
03:58:14,055 --> 03:58:16,605
quasi meeting law violation stuff.

4805
03:58:18,295 --> 03:58:21,365
While it wouldn't be a meeting law violation by letter

4806
03:58:21,365 --> 03:58:24,525
of the law, realistically, I think it would have that effect

4807
03:58:25,035 --> 03:58:29,485
when Aaron talks about making short presentations 10 minutes

4808
03:58:29,665 --> 03:58:32,525
or less and then giving the council memos

4809
03:58:33,105 --> 03:58:34,525
to backfill that information.

4810
03:58:36,105 --> 03:58:37,565
Now we come to a workshop

4811
03:58:38,345 --> 03:58:41,125
and the public hasn't heard the backstory.

4812
03:58:41,345 --> 03:58:43,005
The public hasn't heard the back discussion.

4813
03:58:43,185 --> 03:58:45,765
The public hasn't seen the memo necessarily

4814
03:58:46,155 --> 03:58:47,325
that the council has seen

4815
03:58:47,325 --> 03:58:48,845
and that we're basing our decisions on.

4816
03:58:49,505 --> 03:58:53,565
So while we have not, you know,

4817
03:58:53,645 --> 03:58:56,365
we haven't collaborated behind closed doors,

4818
03:58:56,545 --> 03:58:59,885
the fact is we've got more information than the council has.

4819
03:59:00,145 --> 03:59:02,485
If that all gets presented, even though it takes more time

4820
03:59:02,485 --> 03:59:04,565
and all gets presented at a workshop,

4821
03:59:04,905 --> 03:59:06,645
the public then has a chance to understand

4822
03:59:06,645 --> 03:59:09,325
what we understand and why our decision might be being made.

4823
03:59:09,345 --> 03:59:13,845
So that to me is, that's a red flag to this concept

4824
03:59:14,425 --> 03:59:15,965
or at least that part of the concept

4825
03:59:16,185 --> 03:59:18,565
of giving counsel more information than the public

4826
03:59:18,565 --> 03:59:21,285
necessarily understands or is, or is exposed to.

4827
03:59:23,185 --> 03:59:24,405
So I'll have to address that,

4828
03:59:24,405 --> 03:59:26,325
and Stephanie can correct me if I'm absolutely wrong,

4829
03:59:26,385 --> 03:59:28,965
but we're the, the premise of actually

4830
03:59:29,555 --> 03:59:32,685
getting the council more information ahead of time

4831
03:59:32,685 --> 03:59:35,165
before a workshop is so they can be better prepared

4832
03:59:35,425 --> 03:59:36,525
during your workshop.

4833
03:59:36,545 --> 03:59:38,885
We are not making judicial decisions.

4834
03:59:38,945 --> 03:59:40,765
We are not actually making decisions.

4835
03:59:40,775 --> 03:59:43,125
We're directing staff into certain directions.

4836
03:59:43,625 --> 03:59:45,085
So realistically,

4837
03:59:45,265 --> 03:59:47,405
you're not withholding any information

4838
03:59:47,435 --> 03:59:48,605
from the public whatsoever.

4839
03:59:51,095 --> 03:59:52,235
Is, am I wrong?

4840
03:59:52,455 --> 03:59:54,075
No, you're not wrong. And in addition,

4841
03:59:54,075 --> 03:59:55,835
those memoranda would be public records

4842
03:59:55,835 --> 03:59:58,315
that would be available upon request

4843
03:59:58,855 --> 04:00:00,955
and potentially we could even just make those available

4844
04:00:01,185 --> 04:00:04,235
upfront since they would be public information

4845
04:00:04,235 --> 04:00:05,635
that you're making your decisions upon.

4846
04:00:06,735 --> 04:00:10,355
Yes. Yeah. Each, each council throughout the state

4847
04:00:10,355 --> 04:00:12,835
of Oregon and throughout the nation operates differently.

4848
04:00:12,835 --> 04:00:13,995
They all have different personalities

4849
04:00:14,055 --> 04:00:16,115
and that that changes between the councils,

4850
04:00:16,115 --> 04:00:19,365
that when they're elected and sometimes the, the protocols

4851
04:00:20,425 --> 04:00:21,485
are totally different.

4852
04:00:21,555 --> 04:00:23,605
Also, there are some communities where

4853
04:00:24,865 --> 04:00:27,925
in the business meeting they provide public comment

4854
04:00:28,105 --> 04:00:29,325
during public hearings.

4855
04:00:29,745 --> 04:00:30,885
The public hearings that are

4856
04:00:30,885 --> 04:00:32,485
by state law have to have public comment.

4857
04:00:32,775 --> 04:00:35,485
Their council action items are council action items.

4858
04:00:35,485 --> 04:00:36,885
They are brought in front of council.

4859
04:00:37,315 --> 04:00:39,165
Council makes the decision moves on.

4860
04:00:39,165 --> 04:00:40,165
They don't take public comment.

4861
04:00:40,425 --> 04:00:42,725
We treat council action items as public hearings

4862
04:00:42,725 --> 04:00:43,725
and they get public comment.

4863
04:00:44,275 --> 04:00:46,405
It's just personality changes and protocol changes.

4864
04:00:46,455 --> 04:00:49,805
There are some councils that that would maybe,

4865
04:00:50,345 --> 04:00:52,485
and it all depends on what you want as a council

4866
04:00:53,185 --> 04:00:55,045
and what your meetings will feel like in

4867
04:00:55,045 --> 04:00:56,285
the, in, in the wrong.

4868
04:00:56,285 --> 04:00:59,605
And some counsels don't even have presentations at business

4869
04:00:59,605 --> 04:01:00,805
meetings unless counsel ask

4870
04:01:00,805 --> 04:01:02,365
for the presentations at business meetings.

4871
04:01:02,435 --> 04:01:04,045
Council action item will come up.

4872
04:01:04,045 --> 04:01:05,205
Counsel, do you have any questions?

4873
04:01:05,205 --> 04:01:07,845
Do you have a request of a, of a presentation? No.

4874
04:01:07,875 --> 04:01:11,485
Okay, then discussion. So it all depends.

4875
04:01:11,485 --> 04:01:12,685
There's no right or wrong.

4876
04:01:13,305 --> 04:01:15,445
It all depends on just what you feel

4877
04:01:15,985 --> 04:01:17,605
is right for your community.

4878
04:01:18,905 --> 04:01:20,605
Any further discussion, Victoria?

4879
04:01:21,755 --> 04:01:22,925
Yeah. These workshops

4880
04:01:22,945 --> 04:01:26,805
and the business meetings aren't for any of us here.

4881
04:01:26,915 --> 04:01:30,805
They are for the public. And that's what

4882
04:01:31,525 --> 04:01:33,965
everyone is here for, is for the public.

4883
04:01:34,025 --> 04:01:36,965
And sometimes maybe we lose sight of that.

4884
04:01:37,585 --> 04:01:40,605
So I wouldn't be interested in reducing

4885
04:01:41,875 --> 04:01:44,925
presentations because I think that the public,

4886
04:01:46,025 --> 04:01:47,965
the public goes back and watches these

4887
04:01:48,585 --> 04:01:52,165
and that's how they learn what's going on.

4888
04:01:52,745 --> 04:01:55,765
And they wouldn't be getting the memos.

4889
04:01:55,865 --> 04:02:00,005
So unless the memos were public, I, i, I don't think

4890
04:02:00,955 --> 04:02:03,765
some of this feels like a, a solution

4891
04:02:04,025 --> 04:02:05,845
to me in search of a problem.

4892
04:02:07,025 --> 04:02:08,285
And so,

4893
04:02:10,645 --> 04:02:14,085
although I understand our, our meetings go really long,

4894
04:02:14,425 --> 04:02:19,325
but I also think that our public is being able

4895
04:02:19,325 --> 04:02:22,365
to comment a lot more on the workings

4896
04:02:22,365 --> 04:02:23,605
and happenings of the city.

4897
04:02:24,265 --> 04:02:25,405
And I think that's a good thing.

4898
04:02:26,465 --> 04:02:30,885
So I would not personally be interested in reducing

4899
04:02:31,475 --> 04:02:35,165
that time for the public to be able to see that information.

4900
04:02:36,485 --> 04:02:37,605
I will say,

4901
04:02:37,675 --> 04:02:41,525
however, there have been many times I, I know that I,

4902
04:02:42,065 --> 04:02:45,285
if I don't have the packet in hand at home,

4903
04:02:45,765 --> 04:02:48,565
I am reading it online and

4904
04:02:49,945 --> 04:02:52,565
before the meeting, I, I know

4905
04:02:52,565 --> 04:02:55,125
that I have every meeting since I've been elected.

4906
04:02:55,785 --> 04:03:00,445
And, and I look at all of the, all

4907
04:03:00,445 --> 04:03:02,805
of the emails for the presentations that we're going

4908
04:03:02,805 --> 04:03:03,845
to see in the workshop too.

4909
04:03:03,845 --> 04:03:05,365
They're not always identical.

4910
04:03:05,825 --> 04:03:09,365
And I understand that that is, it just, it's not possible.

4911
04:03:09,365 --> 04:03:11,685
Things need to be added and taken out.

4912
04:03:14,785 --> 04:03:19,165
But again, we need the public needs

4913
04:03:19,225 --> 04:03:22,045
to see what we are, how we are deliberating.

4914
04:03:22,145 --> 04:03:25,165
And maybe that is different than the way other cities do it.

4915
04:03:25,225 --> 04:03:28,845
But I think that I would like to err on the side

4916
04:03:28,845 --> 04:03:31,165
of the public getting more information in our

4917
04:03:32,445 --> 04:03:33,565
workshops and our meetings.

4918
04:03:34,625 --> 04:03:37,045
And so I wouldn't be interested in reducing it.

4919
04:03:38,185 --> 04:03:40,405
And, and

4920
04:03:43,215 --> 04:03:44,635
So maybe that that's enough.

4921
04:03:44,915 --> 04:03:49,875
I I, I'm not sure that I,

4922
04:03:49,945 --> 04:03:52,275
this has been since we got elected

4923
04:03:52,785 --> 04:03:55,915
when right when we came in there was a, a lawsuit.

4924
04:03:55,975 --> 04:03:58,275
Things were up, up, there was upheaval,

4925
04:03:58,365 --> 04:03:59,835
there was a lot of chaos.

4926
04:04:00,855 --> 04:04:03,915
And working through that might have been a little messy.

4927
04:04:04,015 --> 04:04:05,435
And I, I, I don't care.

4928
04:04:06,375 --> 04:04:10,795
So that's messy government is, is, that's the way it's going

4929
04:04:10,795 --> 04:04:12,995
to be in a democratic process.

4930
04:04:13,975 --> 04:04:18,675
And, and there are times that people can be pointed and,

4931
04:04:18,855 --> 04:04:20,355
and quite rude frankly.

4932
04:04:20,975 --> 04:04:25,155
So maybe we could all just be reminded not to be that way.

4933
04:04:25,735 --> 04:04:27,595
So, and that's fine.

4934
04:04:28,055 --> 04:04:32,955
But I, I don't see it to be necessary

4935
04:04:33,175 --> 04:04:34,675
to sign a code of conduct

4936
04:04:36,025 --> 04:04:40,235
because I'm not here for anyone else on the dais.

4937
04:04:40,475 --> 04:04:43,075
Although I would like to strive to work with those people.

4938
04:04:44,775 --> 04:04:47,075
I'm here for the people that of the city.

4939
04:04:47,535 --> 04:04:51,395
So those are just a few thoughts off the top of my head.

4940
04:04:52,255 --> 04:04:53,915
And after having thought about it,

4941
04:04:53,915 --> 04:04:57,235
after looking at the, the draft code of conduct.

4942
04:04:58,175 --> 04:05:00,395
So it's not something I would be interested in doing.

4943
04:05:00,395 --> 04:05:03,755
Maybe in a different way, a different form. But

4944
04:05:09,215 --> 04:05:09,505
Yeah.

4945
04:05:09,965 --> 04:05:13,225
So maybe that, that's just my comments. Thank you.

4946
04:05:13,885 --> 04:05:16,425
Any further discussion? Indra?

4947
04:05:18,545 --> 04:05:21,025
I think too, I would just would like to follow up

4948
04:05:21,025 --> 04:05:23,425
and point out that we're, we're here at every meeting

4949
04:05:23,565 --> 04:05:26,305
and workshop, but a lot of our presenters

4950
04:05:26,365 --> 04:05:28,185
or people come once a year.

4951
04:05:28,605 --> 04:05:31,585
And so we do take time to thank them for

4952
04:05:31,585 --> 04:05:32,865
what they do for our city.

4953
04:05:33,205 --> 04:05:34,705
And that can be redundant,

4954
04:05:34,925 --> 04:05:36,665
but I think that's really important

4955
04:05:36,925 --> 04:05:38,585
to show appreciation to people.

4956
04:05:39,305 --> 04:05:41,505
I too, there's a lot of, I I mean we should,

4957
04:05:41,725 --> 04:05:44,905
I'm a okay signing a code of conduct for

4958
04:05:45,005 --> 04:05:47,505
how we treat each other courtesy and respect.

4959
04:05:48,645 --> 04:05:49,945
But I wouldn't want it

4960
04:05:49,945 --> 04:05:53,745
to be pointed back if I took an extra moment of time

4961
04:05:54,005 --> 04:05:57,425
to ask a question and, oh, you signed this and,

4962
04:05:57,485 --> 04:05:58,785
and you're talking too long.

4963
04:05:58,785 --> 04:06:01,225
Like I wouldn't want it to be used in that way.

4964
04:06:04,205 --> 04:06:05,825
Any further discussion, Joel?

4965
04:06:06,895 --> 04:06:08,465
Well I, excuse me.

4966
04:06:08,545 --> 04:06:12,065
I really enjoyed where we took turns talking today

4967
04:06:12,625 --> 04:06:14,185
'cause we didn't have to fight for airspace.

4968
04:06:14,285 --> 04:06:16,405
Yep. I've been elected to two terms

4969
04:06:16,585 --> 04:06:18,805
and a lot of times I'd raise my hand

4970
04:06:18,825 --> 04:06:21,605
and I wouldn't be called on till the end.

4971
04:06:22,465 --> 04:06:27,245
And that perhaps wasn't intentional.

4972
04:06:27,245 --> 04:06:28,725
Perhaps it was, I don't know.

4973
04:06:29,065 --> 04:06:33,005
But to not have to fight for space

4974
04:06:33,145 --> 04:06:36,765
to speak is a very polite thing that,

4975
04:06:37,035 --> 04:06:40,605
that lowers the intensity and, and gets to the substance.

4976
04:06:40,625 --> 04:06:42,445
So I applaud what you did today

4977
04:06:43,985 --> 04:06:46,005
and I encourage you to continue to do that.

4978
04:06:46,205 --> 04:06:48,005
'cause everybody will know then that they have a time

4979
04:06:48,065 --> 04:06:50,485
to speak and they know what it's gonna be

4980
04:06:51,905 --> 04:06:53,245
in terms of the code of conduct.

4981
04:06:53,465 --> 04:06:56,725
I'm okay either way. There's always a code of conduct,

4982
04:06:56,725 --> 04:06:58,245
whether it's written or unwritten

4983
04:07:00,145 --> 04:07:02,325
and we need to respect that.

4984
04:07:04,275 --> 04:07:07,405
Yeah. And just one second, Victoria, the code

4985
04:07:07,405 --> 04:07:10,565
of conduct is, is is there's a draft in front of you guys

4986
04:07:10,625 --> 04:07:14,765
and it doesn't really talk anything about your time limit.

4987
04:07:14,955 --> 04:07:18,005
It's just basically kind of good governance

4988
04:07:18,225 --> 04:07:19,445
to work together as a team.

4989
04:07:20,945 --> 04:07:23,765
So comments Victoria?

4990
04:07:24,365 --> 04:07:26,005
Yeah, I also neglected to mention

4991
04:07:26,005 --> 04:07:29,765
that I really did like the way that you went down the line.

4992
04:07:29,965 --> 04:07:32,285
I mean, not fighting for being able

4993
04:07:32,285 --> 04:07:33,965
to be called on is a good thing.

4994
04:07:34,305 --> 04:07:39,005
And so I do agree with Joel on that matter.

4995
04:07:39,205 --> 04:07:42,685
I like the way that was done. It is more efficient that way.

4996
04:07:43,465 --> 04:07:45,085
Any further discussion, Indra?

4997
04:07:46,225 --> 04:07:48,445
Yes, and that's fine. I respect that.

4998
04:07:48,725 --> 04:07:53,205
I would ask, maybe it's not starting at each end every time.

4999
04:07:53,475 --> 04:07:56,285
Like maybe it starts, you know,

5000
04:07:56,515 --> 04:07:58,045
Well you normally you do the round table,

5001
04:07:58,145 --> 04:08:00,005
you go like right to left and then you go left to right.

5002
04:08:00,005 --> 04:08:01,125
That's, that's just kind of the way

5003
04:08:01,125 --> 04:08:02,325
I, I'd seen it done before.

5004
04:08:02,645 --> 04:08:04,805
Actually it was done that way when I was a counselor

5005
04:08:04,825 --> 04:08:06,365
for two years, a long time ago.

5006
04:08:06,955 --> 04:08:09,885
Yeah, so I mean if you want pick in the middle, I, I believe

5007
04:08:10,585 --> 04:08:14,005
my sentiment on using a round table style going left

5008
04:08:14,005 --> 04:08:16,205
to right, right to left is it does give

5009
04:08:17,425 --> 04:08:20,285
the onus on all counselors the opportunity.

5010
04:08:20,565 --> 04:08:22,005
I use the wrong verbiage there. I sorry.

5011
04:08:22,005 --> 04:08:24,005
It gives the op opportunity for everybody

5012
04:08:24,005 --> 04:08:26,245
to speak out without having to fight for it.

5013
04:08:26,265 --> 04:08:29,245
And so yeah, and we could set protocol to say

5014
04:08:29,245 --> 04:08:31,165
that we're gonna go left to right, right to left

5015
04:08:31,225 --> 04:08:33,805
and then, you know, like I say, go go one time through,

5016
04:08:33,805 --> 04:08:36,165
have a question or two and then come back through again.

5017
04:08:36,165 --> 04:08:38,085
That's not a problem. I'm just again,

5018
04:08:38,085 --> 04:08:39,165
working for efficiency.

5019
04:08:40,315 --> 04:08:43,085
Okay, I get that. Yeah, I just, it's not

5020
04:08:43,085 --> 04:08:44,485
that you wouldn't go through,

5021
04:08:45,145 --> 04:08:46,885
but some, a lot of times

5022
04:08:47,445 --> 04:08:50,765
people's comments spark another question. Well,

5023
04:08:50,765 --> 04:08:51,765
It helps me from hitting, writing,

5024
04:08:51,765 --> 04:08:52,405
writing 'em down. So if

5025
04:08:52,425 --> 04:08:53,425
I'm starting every time.

5026
04:08:53,475 --> 04:08:55,805
Yeah. And then I don't wanna like have to,

5027
04:08:55,915 --> 04:08:56,915
Well, I mean honestly just, just

5028
04:08:57,125 --> 04:08:58,885
Whatever's easier To be very transparent.

5029
04:08:59,025 --> 04:09:01,325
I'm the guy that's looking here and I have to sit here

5030
04:09:01,345 --> 04:09:04,285
and pay and be full attention to you guys as well

5031
04:09:04,285 --> 04:09:05,605
as digest everything happened

5032
04:09:05,605 --> 04:09:06,965
because everybody's raising their hand.

5033
04:09:07,225 --> 04:09:09,405
So if we have a protocol where we're going left to right

5034
04:09:09,405 --> 04:09:10,845
or right to left, it's, it's just a

5035
04:09:10,845 --> 04:09:12,325
little easier for me to manage. I guess

5036
04:09:12,745 --> 04:09:14,045
I'm, I'm fine with that.

5037
04:09:14,525 --> 04:09:16,405
I was just saying, I think we did it before.

5038
04:09:16,405 --> 04:09:19,405
Work it up a little, like start with Rob the first time

5039
04:09:19,545 --> 04:09:21,965
and then start with Rick and go around and,

5040
04:09:22,145 --> 04:09:23,845
but maybe that's more confusing.

5041
04:09:23,985 --> 04:09:26,005
Any further discussion, Rob?

5042
04:09:27,545 --> 04:09:30,605
So I, I thought actually we were discussing the content

5043
04:09:30,745 --> 04:09:33,045
of, of Aaron's presentation.

5044
04:09:33,685 --> 04:09:35,725
I hadn't really even gotten, I didn't realize we were

5045
04:09:35,725 --> 04:09:38,325
discussing the council code of conduct at that point.

5046
04:09:38,985 --> 04:09:43,365
But again, getting back to I, I'm not sure

5047
04:09:43,365 --> 04:09:46,325
where we left it with regards to the concern I guess

5048
04:09:46,325 --> 04:09:50,325
that I brought up about the public,

5049
04:09:50,545 --> 04:09:52,125
not necessarily knowing the background

5050
04:09:52,155 --> 04:09:55,245
that our discussion is being based on if much

5051
04:09:55,245 --> 04:09:57,685
of it's being based on a, a memo and,

5052
04:09:57,745 --> 04:10:00,845
and I said early on, I don't think it's a violation

5053
04:10:00,845 --> 04:10:03,245
of public meeting law, but it bumps up against it.

5054
04:10:03,505 --> 04:10:04,565
The fact that we know things

5055
04:10:04,565 --> 04:10:05,725
that we're not sharing with the public.

5056
04:10:06,425 --> 04:10:07,925
And I don't think that we need

5057
04:10:08,165 --> 04:10:10,725
to engage the city attorney's opinion on that

5058
04:10:10,725 --> 04:10:13,365
because it's not a violation of public meeting law.

5059
04:10:13,545 --> 04:10:15,965
But the fact is, do we want to have, the question becomes,

5060
04:10:16,185 --> 04:10:21,085
or is do we want the public to have the same information

5061
04:10:21,085 --> 04:10:22,725
that we have so they understand our discussion?

5062
04:10:23,345 --> 04:10:26,005
And that to me was, I guess still not addressed

5063
04:10:26,185 --> 04:10:30,365
or we haven't really, and no consensus on that anyway.

5064
04:10:30,865 --> 04:10:33,685
But, and I hadn't even really started

5065
04:10:34,355 --> 04:10:36,645
regarding the, the code of conduct.

5066
04:10:36,805 --> 04:10:39,005
I don't, I don't know if that's a, a separate discussion.

5067
04:10:39,805 --> 04:10:41,845
There's a line by line thing if, if it was gonna be,

5068
04:10:41,985 --> 04:10:46,245
but anyway, still the, the, the concept of

5069
04:10:46,755 --> 04:10:48,245
what form are we gonna take

5070
04:10:48,245 --> 04:10:52,725
and how much information are we going to publicly air

5071
04:10:54,225 --> 04:10:55,445
as background for our,

5072
04:10:55,545 --> 04:10:58,125
our discussion I guess is still still up in the air.

5073
04:10:59,515 --> 04:11:01,325
Correct. And the sentiment is not

5074
04:11:01,325 --> 04:11:03,405
to withhold information from the public.

5075
04:11:03,665 --> 04:11:07,165
The sentiment is to basically during the workshop is

5076
04:11:07,165 --> 04:11:08,965
to get staff presentation

5077
04:11:09,025 --> 04:11:13,085
and your educational packet to you a few days ahead of time.

5078
04:11:13,085 --> 04:11:16,005
That gives you more bandwidth, more time to digest it.

5079
04:11:16,255 --> 04:11:17,805
We're not talking about withholding

5080
04:11:17,805 --> 04:11:19,045
information from anybody.

5081
04:11:19,215 --> 04:11:20,925
We're basically talking about

5082
04:11:21,475 --> 04:11:24,925
getting those PowerPoint presentations, the bulk

5083
04:11:24,925 --> 04:11:28,285
of what's gonna be talked about in the workshop

5084
04:11:28,865 --> 04:11:31,365
in your guys' hands a couple days early

5085
04:11:31,505 --> 04:11:32,645
so you can digest it.

5086
04:11:32,645 --> 04:11:34,885
That we're not talking about withholding any information,

5087
04:11:35,735 --> 04:11:38,805
Clint actually, then we have a completely different

5088
04:11:38,805 --> 04:11:41,365
understanding of what the words on this page mean

5089
04:11:41,425 --> 04:11:45,165
and what Aaron said today when he talked about keeping

5090
04:11:45,165 --> 04:11:47,445
presentations short, that's what it says here.

5091
04:11:47,445 --> 04:11:49,165
Printed material in front of us, 10 minutes,

5092
04:11:49,745 --> 04:11:50,885
use slides if necessary

5093
04:11:51,305 --> 04:11:55,245
and advanced memos would be given to counsel

5094
04:11:55,625 --> 04:11:57,485
to essentially fill in the gap

5095
04:11:57,715 --> 04:12:00,165
that would normally have been in a longer presentation

5096
04:12:00,755 --> 04:12:03,725
that in fact is withholding some

5097
04:12:03,725 --> 04:12:06,965
of the information from the public now, you know,

5098
04:12:07,695 --> 04:12:10,125
could they request background information?

5099
04:12:10,125 --> 04:12:11,165
They could that that's getting, getting

5100
04:12:11,165 --> 04:12:12,285
to the point of ridiculousness.

5101
04:12:12,785 --> 04:12:14,285
So really what we talked about,

5102
04:12:14,285 --> 04:12:17,485
what Aaron talked about today was shortening presentations

5103
04:12:17,585 --> 04:12:20,765
and, and balancing that with a memo prior

5104
04:12:21,115 --> 04:12:23,445
that would fill in the rest of the information

5105
04:12:23,445 --> 04:12:25,085
that might have been in a longer presentation.

5106
04:12:25,625 --> 04:12:27,725
So, you know, you and I

5107
04:12:27,745 --> 04:12:30,165
or the whole council needs to understand what it is

5108
04:12:30,965 --> 04:12:32,125
specifically we're talking about

5109
04:12:32,145 --> 04:12:33,725
or going to agree to or disagree to.

5110
04:12:34,225 --> 04:12:35,845
So you'll have to clarify that free me of Aaron,

5111
04:12:35,845 --> 04:12:37,325
because I understood it as,

5112
04:12:37,625 --> 04:12:38,845
and this was kind of goes back

5113
04:12:38,845 --> 04:12:41,325
to our essential conversations when we started this

5114
04:12:41,385 --> 04:12:45,005
to build this workshop, is to provide the presentation

5115
04:12:45,555 --> 04:12:49,485
information to counselors in a timely manner ahead of time.

5116
04:12:49,585 --> 04:12:51,645
So if they were to actually have questions

5117
04:12:51,645 --> 04:12:53,845
that were generated that they could reach out to staff

5118
04:12:53,985 --> 04:12:58,085
and then they would pre be presented answers in a mayor,

5119
04:12:58,085 --> 04:13:00,605
council emo email or such a memo.

5120
04:13:00,825 --> 04:13:02,885
That's kind of the way I understood it. Yeah.

5121
04:13:02,985 --> 04:13:05,085
Our discussions that we had, like some

5122
04:13:05,085 --> 04:13:08,765
of the meeting stuff was how do we, the, the idea was, and,

5123
04:13:08,785 --> 04:13:11,525
and some of those recommendations I had on that one slide on

5124
04:13:11,525 --> 04:13:15,805
what staff could do was in direct relation to trying

5125
04:13:15,905 --> 04:13:19,645
to have a meeting to where we used

5126
04:13:19,645 --> 04:13:21,965
to have meetings regularly years ago

5127
04:13:22,155 --> 04:13:25,445
that the workshops were from 1145 to one 15.

5128
04:13:26,305 --> 04:13:28,405
And I think that's where the mayor's sort of going from,

5129
04:13:28,405 --> 04:13:30,805
from from here and the business meetings,

5130
04:13:30,995 --> 04:13:34,245
there's a reason why we have at nine o'clock make a motion

5131
04:13:34,785 --> 04:13:36,085
to extend.

5132
04:13:36,395 --> 04:13:39,365
Because after a certain amount of time,

5133
04:13:39,425 --> 04:13:41,725
things get a little wonky sometimes when you're sitting,

5134
04:13:41,725 --> 04:13:42,925
when you've been sitting for a long time.

5135
04:13:43,545 --> 04:13:46,205
And so recognizing time limits was important.

5136
04:13:46,265 --> 04:13:48,965
And one of the things staff could do for that is to,

5137
04:13:49,755 --> 04:13:52,285
with council's preparedness, we could

5138
04:13:53,865 --> 04:13:55,965
be more succinct with regards to

5139
04:13:56,275 --> 04:13:58,765
what policy decisions are in front of council,

5140
04:13:59,075 --> 04:14:02,685
what decisions or deliberations are needed in discussions

5141
04:14:02,945 --> 04:14:06,965
for you to have that policy issue defined.

5142
04:14:07,585 --> 04:14:10,245
And not necessarily let's come to a workshop

5143
04:14:10,245 --> 04:14:12,405
or business meeting to gather information.

5144
04:14:13,145 --> 04:14:15,765
The information's sort of been gathered in the proposal

5145
04:14:15,765 --> 04:14:18,525
that I had versus like a memo in advance

5146
04:14:18,525 --> 04:14:19,565
with a brief presentation.

5147
04:14:20,585 --> 04:14:24,405
The, and so I, my presentation, my presentation

5148
04:14:24,405 --> 04:14:26,085
and the, the slide was trying to,

5149
04:14:26,145 --> 04:14:28,045
to suggest if you wanna shorten the meetings,

5150
04:14:28,045 --> 04:14:31,045
one way we could do that is not be so expansive

5151
04:14:31,045 --> 04:14:33,205
with the information about information gathering,

5152
04:14:33,385 --> 04:14:35,685
but at the workshop where we're giving you everything,

5153
04:14:35,985 --> 04:14:37,365
but to focus at it down

5154
04:14:37,665 --> 04:14:40,125
and say, here's, here's the subject matter,

5155
04:14:40,705 --> 04:14:43,925
here's the policy implications, here's the question at hand,

5156
04:14:45,265 --> 04:14:48,765
all the background stuff like square footage of a of a,

5157
04:14:48,765 --> 04:14:51,165
of a pump track or this, that kind of thing.

5158
04:14:51,195 --> 04:14:52,765
That would've been in the memo. We wouldn't have been

5159
04:14:52,765 --> 04:14:54,605
talking square footage of a pump track at a workshop.

5160
04:14:55,465 --> 04:14:58,245
And so that shortens those workshop items

5161
04:14:58,245 --> 04:15:00,205
because counsel already has that information.

5162
04:15:00,215 --> 04:15:02,005
We're not delivering that information

5163
04:15:02,435 --> 04:15:04,445
because it's germane to it,

5164
04:15:04,445 --> 04:15:06,885
but it's not pertinent to that policy decision

5165
04:15:06,885 --> 04:15:07,885
that you're looking forward to.

5166
04:15:08,785 --> 04:15:10,685
And then, so that would be shorter.

5167
04:15:11,755 --> 04:15:14,205
What I'm hearing from Councilor Pell is if we shorten that,

5168
04:15:14,205 --> 04:15:15,685
then the public doesn't get all of that

5169
04:15:15,685 --> 04:15:17,605
because we're not saying it in a public meeting.

5170
04:15:19,425 --> 04:15:22,445
The other part of this to expand on that was I, I dealt

5171
04:15:22,445 --> 04:15:25,325
with also the business meetings, shortening the business,

5172
04:15:25,325 --> 04:15:26,805
meeting presenta presentations.

5173
04:15:27,145 --> 04:15:29,085
If we've already had an hour

5174
04:15:29,085 --> 04:15:31,845
and a half long discussion at a workshop about a topic,

5175
04:15:32,875 --> 04:15:34,485
then at the business meeting, when it comes

5176
04:15:34,505 --> 04:15:37,565
for council action, do we need another 25 minute

5177
04:15:37,565 --> 04:15:38,605
presentation by staff

5178
04:15:38,605 --> 04:15:40,525
where since you already have all the information you need

5179
04:15:40,545 --> 04:15:41,725
is in front of you, council action.

5180
04:15:42,305 --> 04:15:45,365
Do we narrow that down to 10 minute or less presentation?

5181
04:15:45,545 --> 04:15:48,125
I'm just saying, here's, here's the, here's what's in front

5182
04:15:48,125 --> 04:15:50,845
of you, here's the policy decision, here's the implications,

5183
04:15:51,555 --> 04:15:52,605
turn it over to you, counsel.

5184
04:15:53,535 --> 04:15:55,965
Those are things that we could do to shorten the meetings,

5185
04:15:56,155 --> 04:15:58,365
make them more succinct from a staff perspective.

5186
04:15:59,385 --> 04:16:01,805
And, and so the question is, what I'm hearing though is

5187
04:16:02,115 --> 04:16:03,805
what is your priority from meetings?

5188
04:16:03,855 --> 04:16:05,765
Would you like to have them more succinct

5189
04:16:05,765 --> 04:16:06,805
from a business perspective?

5190
04:16:07,785 --> 04:16:09,205
How can staff participate?

5191
04:16:09,425 --> 04:16:11,405
Or do you want to keep them sort of as they are

5192
04:16:11,415 --> 04:16:15,445
where they are providing not only an opportunity for you

5193
04:16:15,445 --> 04:16:17,085
to do business, but also

5194
04:16:17,665 --> 04:16:20,445
you're also utilizing your business meetings and

5195
04:16:20,445 --> 04:16:24,885
or workshops to provide information to the public also,

5196
04:16:25,175 --> 04:16:26,925
which is a correspondence of both.

5197
04:16:26,985 --> 04:16:28,845
But how much, how much detail do

5198
04:16:28,845 --> 04:16:29,885
you want to have in advance?

5199
04:16:30,425 --> 04:16:33,805
So my proposal was shortening the presentations both at the

5200
04:16:33,965 --> 04:16:36,405
workshop and at the business meeting in order to try

5201
04:16:36,405 --> 04:16:39,005
to accommodate those shorter meetings that I thought was one

5202
04:16:39,005 --> 04:16:40,085
of the things we were trying to address.

5203
04:16:42,345 --> 04:16:45,525
So in, in hearing that you are a little bit right Rob, I,

5204
04:16:45,605 --> 04:16:48,165
I misunderstood that the opposite way.

5205
04:16:48,225 --> 04:16:50,285
But that can be of a discussion.

5206
04:16:50,545 --> 04:16:52,805
And Rick, did you have discussion?

5207
04:16:53,795 --> 04:16:56,125
Another aspect I hear Rob stating is that,

5208
04:16:56,815 --> 04:16:59,605
let's say I have a half an hour discussion

5209
04:16:59,605 --> 04:17:02,845
with Aaron on technical subject on something that's here.

5210
04:17:03,465 --> 04:17:05,965
Unless the whole council has that,

5211
04:17:05,965 --> 04:17:07,245
unless the public has that.

5212
04:17:07,665 --> 04:17:09,245
And I think a way of addressing that,

5213
04:17:10,245 --> 04:17:12,885
I don't think the council wants to hear word by word

5214
04:17:12,885 --> 04:17:15,205
for the half hour discussion, technical discussion,

5215
04:17:15,745 --> 04:17:19,125
but maybe it could be shortened into a very short paragraph

5216
04:17:19,665 --> 04:17:20,805
of what occurred there.

5217
04:17:20,985 --> 04:17:23,845
The question and the issue and how it was discussed.

5218
04:17:24,545 --> 04:17:27,445
And not only distributed to the other city councilors,

5219
04:17:28,025 --> 04:17:31,325
but it could even be just as the end of our meeting we say,

5220
04:17:31,325 --> 04:17:32,685
do we have any emails from anybody

5221
04:17:33,395 --> 04:17:35,125
that could be part of the presentation.

5222
04:17:35,595 --> 04:17:39,005
Just a short summary of that event so that

5223
04:17:39,545 --> 04:17:42,285
the public knows what goes on behind the scene

5224
04:17:42,825 --> 04:17:44,205
is just part of the information.

5225
04:17:44,345 --> 04:17:46,005
That's just an idea. Thank you.

5226
04:17:47,585 --> 04:17:49,125
Any further discussion, Joel?

5227
04:17:51,015 --> 04:17:52,185
Well, it's been my impression

5228
04:17:52,185 --> 04:17:53,825
that when we have long meetings, it's not

5229
04:17:53,825 --> 04:17:55,585
because we had long presentations.

5230
04:17:58,385 --> 04:18:00,465
I think we, I think the staff does a pretty good

5231
04:18:00,485 --> 04:18:01,665
job of condensing that.

5232
04:18:01,945 --> 04:18:04,425
Aaron, you went to school to study that

5233
04:18:04,565 --> 04:18:06,745
and Stephanie, you've done the same thing

5234
04:18:06,775 --> 04:18:08,885
with your presentations JC

5235
04:18:10,385 --> 04:18:12,805
and the presentations have been pretty concise.

5236
04:18:12,915 --> 04:18:14,045
I've been really happy with them.

5237
04:18:14,765 --> 04:18:19,365
I think where we run into lengthy meetings is

5238
04:18:19,765 --> 04:18:23,365
a controversial subject that has a lot of public interest.

5239
04:18:24,995 --> 04:18:29,125
Perhaps some polarization, perhaps some

5240
04:18:30,245 --> 04:18:33,045
polarization here on, on the, on the dais.

5241
04:18:35,505 --> 04:18:39,285
And I'm not sure shorter presentations is

5242
04:18:39,285 --> 04:18:41,485
gonna cut that short.

5243
04:18:43,505 --> 04:18:48,245
But I, in terms of why our meetings are long,

5244
04:18:48,315 --> 04:18:51,205
it's not because the staff has prepared long presentations.

5245
04:18:51,485 --> 04:18:53,325
'cause they've been very responsible in

5246
04:18:53,325 --> 04:18:56,725
what they presented. That's my thoughts.

5247
04:18:57,385 --> 04:18:59,165
Any further discussion? Rob?

5248
04:19:02,425 --> 04:19:05,185
I gonna say, oh, you know, the other thing

5249
04:19:05,185 --> 04:19:07,545
to keep in mind too is that, you know,

5250
04:19:07,645 --> 04:19:09,425
you do reach a point of diminishing returns.

5251
04:19:10,065 --> 04:19:12,345
I mean, when Aaron says that, you know, workshops used

5252
04:19:12,345 --> 04:19:13,625
to be, you know, an hour or two.

5253
04:19:13,625 --> 04:19:15,665
Well, the fact is there used to be four workshops a month.

5254
04:19:16,325 --> 04:19:18,705
So when you cut that in half, okay,

5255
04:19:19,685 --> 04:19:22,305
and then you, if you're then gonna trim that down some more,

5256
04:19:22,835 --> 04:19:24,585
again, you get to the point of diminishing returns.

5257
04:19:24,725 --> 04:19:27,665
So we have actually diminished the number

5258
04:19:27,665 --> 04:19:29,265
of workshops by 50%.

5259
04:19:30,005 --> 04:19:32,345
So, you know, that's something we can keep in mind.

5260
04:19:32,765 --> 04:19:34,505
How much more we want to trim things down.

5261
04:19:35,645 --> 04:19:39,185
You gotta wonder if it's, it's just,

5262
04:19:40,405 --> 04:19:41,785
it gets to be counterproductive.

5263
04:19:43,975 --> 04:19:45,785
Further discussion Victoria.

5264
04:19:46,335 --> 04:19:48,305
Yeah, I would also like to reiterate

5265
04:19:48,305 --> 04:19:50,345
that I think staff is always prepared

5266
04:19:50,725 --> 04:19:54,345
and does an amazing job giving us presentations.

5267
04:19:54,485 --> 04:19:56,465
So I don't have any complaints there

5268
04:19:56,565 --> 04:19:58,825
and just would like to take the opportunity.

5269
04:19:58,955 --> 04:19:59,955
Thank you for that.

5270
04:20:01,855 --> 04:20:04,465
Okay. So I'm gonna go down through the list

5271
04:20:04,525 --> 04:20:05,585
of alternatives.

5272
04:20:05,585 --> 04:20:08,985
We have call to action to see if we can get some sentiment,

5273
04:20:09,005 --> 04:20:11,705
if you want to continue this conversation, if you want to

5274
04:20:12,285 --> 04:20:14,025
do anything that we've discussed today.

5275
04:20:14,165 --> 04:20:17,785
So the first was adoption

5276
04:20:17,925 --> 04:20:19,665
of a council code of conduct.

5277
04:20:20,165 --> 04:20:22,545
I'd like to see what the council's sentiment is on that.

5278
04:20:22,555 --> 04:20:24,705
There is a draft in front of you

5279
04:20:25,685 --> 04:20:27,705
and you know, if you had a second to read it,

5280
04:20:27,725 --> 04:20:31,345
it realistically kind of just goes over the professionalism

5281
04:20:31,805 --> 04:20:33,545
and the business style that we need to,

5282
04:20:34,165 --> 04:20:35,785
to work together as a team.

5283
04:20:35,845 --> 04:20:38,505
And, and basically common courtesy and stuff.

5284
04:20:38,505 --> 04:20:41,425
It, it doesn't really talk about, you know,

5285
04:20:41,665 --> 04:20:43,585
limiting your time limit or anything like that.

5286
04:20:43,655 --> 04:20:45,985
It's just kind of like something to kind of a build

5287
04:20:46,045 --> 04:20:47,945
of cohesiveness on.

5288
04:20:48,605 --> 04:20:50,025
So I would just bring that back to council

5289
04:20:50,025 --> 04:20:54,865
to see if there's any sentiment on adopting this further,

5290
04:20:54,915 --> 04:20:56,785
discussing this or trashing it.

5291
04:20:59,925 --> 04:21:02,865
We will go with sentiment on adopting as is

5292
04:21:04,445 --> 04:21:05,645
thumbs up or thumbs down?

5293
04:21:05,755 --> 04:21:07,085
Nope. Anybody want

5294
04:21:07,085 --> 04:21:10,525
to go into further discussion in draft in modifying this

5295
04:21:10,525 --> 04:21:11,845
draft and implementing it?

5296
04:21:12,345 --> 04:21:13,885
Thumbs up. Go ahead Joel.

5297
04:21:18,065 --> 04:21:20,125
No, I'm just, I'm just getting your sentiment if you want

5298
04:21:20,125 --> 04:21:24,845
to continue the discussion on, I don't see the appetite to

5299
04:21:25,615 --> 04:21:27,085
adopt this draft as written.

5300
04:21:27,345 --> 04:21:30,045
So I'm asking if counsel wants to further discuss

5301
04:21:30,225 --> 04:21:32,765
and modify a draft for adoption.

5302
04:21:34,645 --> 04:21:37,055
Well, any group that I've been involved with,

5303
04:21:37,075 --> 04:21:38,495
and I've been involved with a lot of 'em,

5304
04:21:38,495 --> 04:21:41,415
as have everybody else up here, we always had

5305
04:21:44,535 --> 04:21:46,535
teamwork rules or code of conduct

5306
04:21:46,875 --> 04:21:50,255
or whatever that, that the team would agree to.

5307
04:21:51,435 --> 04:21:53,295
And it wasn't confining at all.

5308
04:21:53,475 --> 04:21:58,055
It was, it was just a,

5309
04:21:58,215 --> 04:21:59,295
a, a reminder.

5310
04:22:00,875 --> 04:22:05,455
It wasn't, wasn't something that you get branded if, if

5311
04:22:06,675 --> 04:22:08,495
you inadvertently leave something out

5312
04:22:08,555 --> 04:22:11,055
or you attack somebody.

5313
04:22:11,335 --> 04:22:12,295
'cause that still happens.

5314
04:22:16,315 --> 04:22:20,535
So, so I don't, you know, every group I've been involved

5315
04:22:20,535 --> 04:22:22,215
with had had something like this.

5316
04:22:22,645 --> 04:22:23,645
Okay,

5317
04:22:24,315 --> 04:22:26,975
So the question is, is do you want to further discuss

5318
04:22:27,275 --> 04:22:30,855
and formulate a draft for a code of conduct for adoption?

5319
04:22:31,195 --> 04:22:34,975
Thumbs up. Well,

5320
04:22:34,975 --> 04:22:35,215
I got

5321
04:22:35,215 --> 04:22:40,135
1, 2, 3, 4, 4

5322
04:22:40,135 --> 04:22:42,615
outta three who didn't vote.

5323
04:22:42,795 --> 04:22:47,015
So we will put this to further discussion at a workshop

5324
04:22:47,035 --> 04:22:51,415
to modify and for a possible future adoption.

5325
04:22:51,845 --> 04:22:56,295
Okay. Second is adopting meeting decorum and procedures.

5326
04:22:57,235 --> 04:22:59,895
We already have some of that, but e stab it.

5327
04:23:00,035 --> 04:23:02,095
So basically I would basically want

5328
04:23:02,095 --> 04:23:04,455
to extend the decorum procedures

5329
04:23:05,155 --> 04:23:09,175
and entertain setting a time limit on workshops.

5330
04:23:09,245 --> 04:23:10,935
Just as there is a time limit

5331
04:23:10,935 --> 04:23:13,135
that's already on the public meetings.

5332
04:23:13,795 --> 04:23:17,055
My suggestion would be set a workshop time limit

5333
04:23:17,155 --> 04:23:20,215
of two hours, which would require a motion

5334
04:23:20,355 --> 04:23:21,535
to go past two hours.

5335
04:23:21,645 --> 04:23:26,335
Once that was put in forth with those parameters set forth,

5336
04:23:26,525 --> 04:23:28,775
then we would have a better opportunity

5337
04:23:28,955 --> 04:23:31,175
to really tailor these workshops down

5338
04:23:31,795 --> 04:23:32,855
by not overloading them.

5339
04:23:33,315 --> 04:23:37,095
So the question at hand is, do you want to add

5340
04:23:38,485 --> 04:23:39,655
meeting decorum

5341
04:23:39,655 --> 04:23:44,135
and procedures by putting a two hour time limit on workshops

5342
04:23:44,605 --> 04:23:46,615
with a motion to continue thumbs up or thumbs down?

5343
04:23:46,815 --> 04:23:49,055
I got a question first. So each one

5344
04:23:49,055 --> 04:23:51,135
of the stars on the workshop indicates

5345
04:23:51,155 --> 04:23:54,255
how many minutes you 10. 10 minutes?

5346
04:23:54,765 --> 04:23:56,895
Correct. Wow.

5347
04:23:57,475 --> 04:24:01,135
So like for instance, the pump track was, was predicted

5348
04:24:01,135 --> 04:24:02,175
to be 30 minutes today.

5349
04:24:03,235 --> 04:24:06,285
Council protocol was connected, predicted to be 30 minutes.

5350
04:24:08,505 --> 04:24:11,165
So basically we put the stars on there to,

5351
04:24:12,225 --> 04:24:15,045
as a recommendation from staff on how long

5352
04:24:15,045 --> 04:24:16,805
that would actually take their presentation.

5353
04:24:16,905 --> 04:24:21,885
And then we try to estimate

5354
04:24:21,995 --> 04:24:23,925
what a de discussion period is.

5355
04:24:23,985 --> 04:24:26,245
But we're pretty loose on that, so. Sure.

5356
04:24:26,265 --> 04:24:29,325
So I guess if, if I, if we had a, like I said,

5357
04:24:29,345 --> 04:24:31,285
if I'm pushing for a workshop time limit,

5358
04:24:31,475 --> 04:24:33,605
it's just gonna help pinpoint those

5359
04:24:33,965 --> 04:24:35,285
workshops a little bit more efficiently.

5360
04:24:35,995 --> 04:24:40,045
Okay. But then again, you already have a public meeting

5361
04:24:40,675 --> 04:24:44,845
with a three hour time limit, which we proceed past that

5362
04:24:44,845 --> 04:24:46,405
with a, with a quick motion.

5363
04:24:46,905 --> 04:24:48,885
So I'm asking for that for the workshops

5364
04:24:48,885 --> 04:24:50,085
with a two hour time limit.

5365
04:24:51,555 --> 04:24:53,885
Counsel's appetite for that thumbs up or thumbs down?

5366
04:24:56,925 --> 04:25:00,325
I got 1, 2, 3, 4, and one down and two not vote.

5367
04:25:00,385 --> 04:25:04,845
So that's a procedure to go forward. Question. Yes sir. Yes.

5368
04:25:05,015 --> 04:25:06,015
Sorry.

5369
04:25:06,425 --> 04:25:09,005
So what do we do when we're halfway through a workshop

5370
04:25:09,145 --> 04:25:11,005
and that we hit the two hour mark?

5371
04:25:11,195 --> 04:25:12,405
Just the same thing you do in a meeting.

5372
04:25:12,465 --> 04:25:14,045
You just call for a motion to extend.

5373
04:25:15,145 --> 04:25:17,965
It gives the people opportunity that are taking time out

5374
04:25:17,965 --> 04:25:20,325
of their day, such as Eric and myself

5375
04:25:21,025 --> 04:25:23,485
and Seth, who actually have full-time jobs

5376
04:25:24,425 --> 04:25:26,485
And Rob And Rob who runs it.

5377
04:25:26,785 --> 04:25:28,485
And yourself too. You run a business.

5378
04:25:28,505 --> 04:25:31,365
But Rob, I think Rob has a lot of face time in his business.

5379
04:25:31,885 --> 04:25:33,005
Seth runs a full-time business.

5380
04:25:33,235 --> 04:25:36,325
Eric has made comments that he has to take time off of work

5381
04:25:36,425 --> 04:25:39,045
for these IO obviously have to do the same thing.

5382
04:25:39,105 --> 04:25:41,485
So we're just trying to be like more efficient.

5383
04:25:41,805 --> 04:25:44,285
I don't think we're, and no one's against that.

5384
04:25:44,425 --> 04:25:47,325
Can we commit to not putting so much on the workshop

5385
04:25:47,515 --> 04:25:48,515
Problem?

5386
04:25:48,515 --> 04:25:49,565
Yes. That is what we're working towards. And

5387
04:25:49,665 --> 04:25:50,685
I'm trying to set parameters.

5388
04:25:50,785 --> 04:25:51,885
Here's what I would say.

5389
04:25:52,265 --> 04:25:56,005
We, we keep pushing things to workshops.

5390
04:25:56,105 --> 04:25:59,365
So like now we're gonna talk about the decorum thing again.

5391
04:25:59,505 --> 04:26:01,405
Yep. At another workshop. Correct.

5392
04:26:01,565 --> 04:26:05,605
I don't know why we can't, I mean we should make decisions

5393
04:26:07,235 --> 04:26:08,645
when we have it in front of us,

5394
04:26:08,785 --> 04:26:11,405
but we ourselves are push things a lot

5395
04:26:11,665 --> 04:26:13,925
and that's what bogs up the agenda.

5396
04:26:14,185 --> 04:26:18,005
So maybe that's something we could work on as

5397
04:26:18,685 --> 04:26:21,325
a team is how to Yeah, no, maybe not do that.

5398
04:26:21,915 --> 04:26:25,045
Well we, we are, see we're having these full breasted

5399
04:26:25,045 --> 04:26:26,565
conversations about this

5400
04:26:26,945 --> 04:26:30,245
and I said the wrong word, full breath conversation.

5401
04:26:30,295 --> 04:26:32,165
Sorry. Geez Louise.

5402
04:26:33,635 --> 04:26:37,805
Basically I'm trying to simulate conversations.

5403
04:26:37,945 --> 04:26:41,365
So we are all mentally getting to the same aspect

5404
04:26:41,365 --> 04:26:43,685
of being efficient, businesslike

5405
04:26:43,785 --> 04:26:45,565
and to the point that's this, that's all this is.

5406
04:26:46,225 --> 04:26:48,045
So my question is, instead

5407
04:26:48,045 --> 04:26:50,485
of making a decision on the decorum,

5408
04:26:51,115 --> 04:26:53,005
because I agree with everything

5409
04:26:53,105 --> 04:26:55,525
but number four, like I would get rid of that.

5410
04:26:55,675 --> 04:26:57,005
Yeah. And we could vote,

5411
04:26:57,625 --> 04:26:59,845
but instead we're bringing it to a workshop.

5412
04:26:59,945 --> 04:27:03,525
Why don't we just bring it, change it, bring it to a meeting

5413
04:27:03,705 --> 04:27:04,885
and be done with it.

5414
04:27:06,505 --> 04:27:09,635
Well, I feel that the, the council has already had said

5415
04:27:09,635 --> 04:27:11,395
that they want an appetite to go through it

5416
04:27:11,395 --> 04:27:12,795
and change it a little bit, modify it.

5417
04:27:12,795 --> 04:27:15,515
So that's, that's what I get your guys' sentiment.

5418
04:27:15,555 --> 04:27:18,115
I got a, a majority of you wanted to go forward and,

5419
04:27:18,135 --> 04:27:21,515
and digest it and, and and add some 2 cents to it

5420
04:27:21,515 --> 04:27:22,795
before you adopted it.

5421
04:27:23,015 --> 04:27:25,195
But there was a sentiment to adopt something like this.

5422
04:27:25,215 --> 04:27:26,315
So we're going forward with it.

5423
04:27:26,995 --> 04:27:28,555
I think one of the things with the time thing too,

5424
04:27:28,575 --> 04:27:30,075
we talked about this briefly at the,

5425
04:27:30,215 --> 04:27:32,515
at the agenda setting meeting is if there was a target time

5426
04:27:32,515 --> 04:27:35,195
of closure for meetings, just like a target time of closure

5427
04:27:35,255 --> 04:27:36,955
for a party or, or gathering

5428
04:27:36,955 --> 04:27:39,755
or whatever, all of us in this room

5429
04:27:40,385 --> 04:27:42,395
have an impact on that closure time.

5430
04:27:42,455 --> 04:27:45,595
If we don't have anything a, a, a date, a time at all,

5431
04:27:45,865 --> 04:27:47,795
then it's just, it's, hey, you stay until,

5432
04:27:47,895 --> 04:27:50,355
oh great cousin Eddie is staying overnight.

5433
04:27:50,475 --> 04:27:51,915
I didn't know that. I thought everybody I thought I should

5434
04:27:51,915 --> 04:27:53,555
have had on there, everyone has to go home at nine o'clock.

5435
04:27:54,255 --> 04:27:58,635
So the, we all have a part in how long the meetings go

5436
04:27:59,095 --> 04:28:00,755
and if say you're in a workshop

5437
04:28:00,755 --> 04:28:02,515
and you're like, I still have nine more questions,

5438
04:28:02,615 --> 04:28:04,635
but it looks like everyone else is pretty much, okay,

5439
04:28:04,765 --> 04:28:06,275
maybe I'll pause my other questions.

5440
04:28:06,275 --> 04:28:07,395
I'll wait until after the workshop

5441
04:28:07,395 --> 04:28:09,035
and I'll ask staff those additional questions

5442
04:28:09,035 --> 04:28:10,075
before it goes to a business

5443
04:28:10,075 --> 04:28:11,475
meeting or something along those lines.

5444
04:28:11,695 --> 04:28:15,595
Or you can start it, you can start filtering

5445
04:28:16,105 --> 04:28:18,355
what comments and or questions in order to try

5446
04:28:18,355 --> 04:28:20,635
to respect the timeframe that council's adopted of.

5447
04:28:20,885 --> 04:28:22,915
We're gonna try, this is our target end. Yeah.

5448
04:28:22,935 --> 04:28:24,875
So we all have, could have a positive impact on that.

5449
04:28:24,935 --> 04:28:26,155
If we had a target to close,

5450
04:28:27,615 --> 04:28:28,755
And I just bring back

5451
04:28:28,755 --> 04:28:31,515
to example our Wednesday night public meetings.

5452
04:28:31,655 --> 04:28:34,995
We, Rick is the hound on it. He's like, it's nine o'clock.

5453
04:28:35,015 --> 04:28:36,835
Do we, do we, we need a motion to go forward.

5454
04:28:36,945 --> 04:28:38,635
It's just kind of, it keeps us on target.

5455
04:28:38,855 --> 04:28:43,475
So the other part of the adopting meeting decor

5456
04:28:43,475 --> 04:28:47,635
of procedures, I did feel that council has an appetite

5457
04:28:47,635 --> 04:28:50,915
to do a round table style, which we would go left to right

5458
04:28:50,915 --> 04:28:52,515
or right to left or middle to center.

5459
04:28:52,735 --> 04:28:54,795
If you want to make that a procedural thing

5460
04:28:54,795 --> 04:28:57,115
that at least gives everybody the opportunity

5461
04:28:57,335 --> 04:28:58,555
to have an open voice.

5462
04:28:59,775 --> 04:29:01,435
I'd look for a thumbs up to add that too.

5463
04:29:02,545 --> 04:29:03,715
Alright, thank you very much.

5464
04:29:05,845 --> 04:29:09,275
There was a question about scheduling governance, training.

5465
04:29:10,185 --> 04:29:12,955
Anybody have an appetite for getting more

5466
04:29:13,795 --> 04:29:15,835
training in regards to Robert's rules

5467
04:29:16,055 --> 04:29:18,715
and so forth, but what, where was that?

5468
04:29:19,105 --> 04:29:23,035
Yeah, that effective teams, whatever additional training,

5469
04:29:23,095 --> 04:29:24,915
we could try to get something special in here

5470
04:29:24,915 --> 04:29:27,035
where we can facilitate, ate some additional

5471
04:29:29,275 --> 04:29:31,155
trainings based on counsel's desire.

5472
04:29:31,385 --> 04:29:34,555
Does counsel have an appetite to try

5473
04:29:34,555 --> 04:29:36,515
to have staff set up some additional trainings

5474
04:29:36,515 --> 04:29:40,515
for us? Go ahead, Seth.

5475
04:29:40,755 --> 04:29:42,235
I mean, I'd be interested in the Robert's rules

5476
04:29:43,415 --> 04:29:44,835
at least at a minimum.

5477
04:29:46,585 --> 04:29:49,355
Okay. Anybody else in regards

5478
04:29:49,355 --> 04:29:50,755
to Robert's rules? Go ahead Rob.

5479
04:29:50,825 --> 04:29:54,755
Well you can Google a copy and read 'em. Okay.

5480
04:29:54,755 --> 04:29:56,595
Sounds They're, they're clear. They haven't changed much.

5481
04:29:57,145 --> 04:29:59,445
They are applied a little bit differently in different,

5482
04:29:59,545 --> 04:30:01,885
but I mean, if you read 'em, I, I

5483
04:30:01,885 --> 04:30:03,925
and I'm not, I'm not, I'm not attacking you.

5484
04:30:03,985 --> 04:30:05,525
I'm just saying when I've read 'em

5485
04:30:06,025 --> 04:30:07,485
and I haven't read 'em in a really long time,

5486
04:30:07,805 --> 04:30:09,085
I understood a lot, a lot of it.

5487
04:30:09,105 --> 04:30:10,165
And we don't do all of it.

5488
04:30:10,465 --> 04:30:13,725
And actually Clint just decided that on part of it we're,

5489
04:30:13,845 --> 04:30:15,525
I shouldn't say Clint decided, we just decided that

5490
04:30:15,525 --> 04:30:17,805
by going down the aisle here, we're actually,

5491
04:30:18,205 --> 04:30:19,885
I don't even know if we're, that's not necessarily even

5492
04:30:19,885 --> 04:30:20,885
gonna be doing Robert's rules,

5493
04:30:21,185 --> 04:30:22,805
that's actually gonna be doing our own hybrid

5494
04:30:23,385 --> 04:30:25,085
aspect if I remember correctly.

5495
04:30:25,185 --> 04:30:27,765
So just, I would say anyone who wants to know more about it,

5496
04:30:27,765 --> 04:30:30,205
read it and then at that point, you know,

5497
04:30:30,205 --> 04:30:31,525
if we still have questions, we can move forward.

5498
04:30:32,595 --> 04:30:36,005
Okay. I didn't see an appetite for counsel to proceed with

5499
04:30:36,105 --> 04:30:38,605
or or to proceed with any more governance training,

5500
04:30:38,745 --> 04:30:41,605
but I would encourage you if you had some questions,

5501
04:30:41,625 --> 04:30:42,925
you would definitely reach out to Aaron

5502
04:30:42,945 --> 04:30:45,645
and they could direct you in, in online training courses

5503
04:30:45,745 --> 04:30:47,685
and so forth where you could get that information.

5504
04:30:48,305 --> 04:30:51,525
So at this point, we've got to finish out this

5505
04:30:52,095 --> 04:30:53,285
topic on the workshop.

5506
04:30:53,665 --> 04:30:56,485
We will proceed forward in

5507
04:30:58,155 --> 04:31:01,525
reviewing a draft of a city council code of conduct

5508
04:31:01,985 --> 04:31:04,245
and maybe adopting in a future

5509
04:31:05,625 --> 04:31:07,525
we will amend procedures

5510
04:31:07,825 --> 04:31:11,005
to put a two hour time limit on workshops with the ability

5511
04:31:11,005 --> 04:31:12,245
to continue with a motion.

5512
04:31:13,385 --> 04:31:17,565
And we will proceed forward with a round table questioning

5513
04:31:18,785 --> 04:31:23,045
to give everybody the opportunity for to weigh in with that.

5514
04:31:23,165 --> 04:31:24,685
I don't think there was any other actions.

5515
04:31:24,745 --> 04:31:27,605
We, do you understand where we're going? Okay, cool.

5516
04:31:27,605 --> 04:31:28,805
Have a clear direction. Thank you, mayor.

5517
04:31:30,355 --> 04:31:33,085
Okay, now we're at agenda review.

5518
04:31:33,465 --> 04:31:36,845
We have a public safety advisory committee motion

5519
04:31:37,665 --> 04:31:41,805
and I had it, but I don't know where it's, sorry guys.

5520
04:31:43,795 --> 04:31:45,805
Okay, so there's a white piece of paper here.

5521
04:31:47,465 --> 04:31:49,285
Did everybody get a chance to read that

5522
04:31:49,505 --> 04:31:52,165
or do we want to have that read aloud?

5523
04:31:53,425 --> 04:31:56,205
Public safety advisee advisory committee meeting.

5524
04:31:57,115 --> 04:31:58,725
Does everybody have this white piece of paper?

5525
04:31:59,155 --> 04:32:00,645
I've read it already, but I can't find

5526
04:32:00,645 --> 04:32:01,645
The paper.

5527
04:32:03,495 --> 04:32:04,495
Thank you.

5528
04:32:18,965 --> 04:32:22,585
Go ahead Joel. Well, just for everybody's benefit,

5529
04:32:22,695 --> 04:32:26,025
this is a call to action to support the public endorsement

5530
04:32:26,405 --> 04:32:29,585
of support for the Josephine County animal control animal

5531
04:32:29,585 --> 04:32:32,105
shelter operating levy renewal ballot measure

5532
04:32:32,925 --> 04:32:35,345
on the May, 2026 ballot.

5533
04:32:36,365 --> 04:32:39,025
And I would take action.

5534
04:32:39,935 --> 04:32:40,225
Okay,

5535
04:32:51,785 --> 04:32:52,925
So Joel, if this is,

5536
04:32:52,985 --> 04:32:55,405
if you are a little bit abreast on this, is this,

5537
04:32:55,795 --> 04:32:58,725
this levy is, could you explain the levy a little?

5538
04:32:59,265 --> 04:33:00,965
If you are up on it,

5539
04:33:04,845 --> 04:33:06,375
I'll read the paper that's in front of me.

5540
04:33:06,375 --> 04:33:07,655
But the animal shelter

5541
04:33:08,755 --> 04:33:11,615
and animal control, Josephine County Animal Control,

5542
04:33:11,615 --> 04:33:13,415
they have responsibility both within the city

5543
04:33:13,415 --> 04:33:14,575
limits and the county.

5544
04:33:16,435 --> 04:33:19,695
And it's a critical function that city police rely on

5545
04:33:19,875 --> 04:33:22,815
as do citizens of grants pass.

5546
04:33:23,735 --> 04:33:26,455
The animal control officers will respond to a call like

5547
04:33:26,455 --> 04:33:28,455
for a rabid dog or whatever.

5548
04:33:29,755 --> 04:33:31,655
And if the service is weakened

5549
04:33:31,675 --> 04:33:34,775
and cannot be relied on, city police would have to go

5550
04:33:34,855 --> 04:33:36,455
and chase down a rabbit dog.

5551
04:33:36,635 --> 04:33:37,735
And if they could find him

5552
04:33:37,735 --> 04:33:39,415
and if they had the officers available,

5553
04:33:40,595 --> 04:33:43,895
it would increase the tax rate from 11 cents per thousand

5554
04:33:44,075 --> 04:33:45,295
to 16 cents.

5555
04:33:46,275 --> 04:33:49,975
So it would've resulted in an increase of about $15 per year

5556
04:33:50,075 --> 04:33:53,895
for our homeowner with an assessed value of $300,000.

5557
04:33:54,715 --> 04:33:56,255
In other words, I would have

5558
04:33:56,255 --> 04:33:58,895
to pay outta my pocket $15 more a year.

5559
04:34:01,945 --> 04:34:04,175
Right now they're spending slightly more than they're

5560
04:34:04,175 --> 04:34:06,415
receiving from the levy and other revenue sources.

5561
04:34:06,755 --> 04:34:08,935
New rate of 16 cents would balance the budget

5562
04:34:09,075 --> 04:34:11,895
and would allow approximately the same level

5563
04:34:11,955 --> 04:34:14,135
of operational service as we have today.

5564
04:34:17,915 --> 04:34:20,815
So the call to action on this is for counsel

5565
04:34:21,035 --> 04:34:23,855
to support this endorsement or take no action.

5566
04:34:23,915 --> 04:34:25,335
Is there further discussion, Rob?

5567
04:34:27,365 --> 04:34:31,295
Well, I, I will be personally voting for this

5568
04:34:32,225 --> 04:34:34,975
personally, but as a council, I don't know

5569
04:34:34,975 --> 04:34:36,535
that it's appropriate for us to do it.

5570
04:34:37,035 --> 04:34:40,375
And I would, I would be against the council doing it while I

5571
04:34:40,375 --> 04:34:41,375
would personally support it.

5572
04:34:41,875 --> 04:34:46,095
And I think that in years past when we had a,

5573
04:34:46,295 --> 04:34:47,575
I think a sales tax on the,

5574
04:34:47,595 --> 04:34:49,375
on the ballot was county sales tax,

5575
04:34:50,095 --> 04:34:52,575
I believe there was an issue there with people

5576
04:34:52,595 --> 04:34:55,295
who were against the sales tax not necessarily wanting to be

5577
04:34:56,375 --> 04:34:58,295
represented as the entire council being for it.

5578
04:34:58,835 --> 04:35:01,455
So to me that's a, that's a, that's complicated.

5579
04:35:01,455 --> 04:35:02,655
Whether not the whole council wants

5580
04:35:02,655 --> 04:35:03,975
to support this, I personally support it.

5581
04:35:04,335 --> 04:35:05,735
I don't know that the council, it's

5582
04:35:05,735 --> 04:35:07,015
appropriate for the council to do it.

5583
04:35:08,415 --> 04:35:09,655
I agree with Rob on that

5584
04:35:09,655 --> 04:35:12,455
because you do have to take into account

5585
04:35:12,675 --> 04:35:17,175
as a council member, as a council body, as a mayor, we,

5586
04:35:17,275 --> 04:35:20,295
we are representing 37,000 people plus,

5587
04:35:20,295 --> 04:35:21,535
or on that, that number's not right,

5588
04:35:21,595 --> 04:35:22,655
but, you know, in that range.

5589
04:35:22,715 --> 04:35:25,615
So you, if you're as a council saying

5590
04:35:25,645 --> 04:35:28,975
that you are endorsing it, then you're basically stating

5591
04:35:29,005 --> 04:35:31,655
that your whole constituency is also endorsing it.

5592
04:35:31,715 --> 04:35:35,735
So it is a, it's something to think about. Vic Victoria.

5593
04:35:36,365 --> 04:35:39,175
Yeah, that actually my sentiment exactly.

5594
04:35:39,335 --> 04:35:42,215
I would not be comfortable passing something like this

5595
04:35:42,605 --> 04:35:45,895
without vast community input.

5596
04:35:46,475 --> 04:35:47,735
And then that would be,

5597
04:35:48,515 --> 04:35:51,175
and I don't even know if that's appropriate for us to do,

5598
04:35:51,175 --> 04:35:54,695
because that would be a, a poll for the measure.

5599
04:35:54,795 --> 04:35:56,725
And I don't, I don't know if we should

5600
04:35:56,745 --> 04:35:57,925
get into doing that either.

5601
04:35:58,625 --> 04:35:59,965
So whether,

5602
04:36:00,425 --> 04:36:03,365
and I would absolutely not be

5603
04:36:04,755 --> 04:36:06,085
feel comfortable at all

5604
04:36:07,545 --> 04:36:11,245
as a body supporting a new tax for, for the public

5605
04:36:11,795 --> 04:36:14,445
without having asked them about it first.

5606
04:36:14,585 --> 04:36:16,285
So I I'm not for this.

5607
04:36:16,575 --> 04:36:17,885
Thank you for your input. Anybody else?

5608
04:36:18,685 --> 04:36:19,765
Seth and then Eric? Seth?

5609
04:36:20,555 --> 04:36:24,005
Yeah, I wouldn't be in favor of taking action on this just

5610
04:36:24,005 --> 04:36:25,085
because again, I think it's,

5611
04:36:25,355 --> 04:36:28,685
it's a little odd coming from a, a body of counselors

5612
04:36:29,205 --> 04:36:30,445
that represent the city of Grants Pass.

5613
04:36:30,545 --> 04:36:31,545
SOS

5614
04:36:32,715 --> 04:36:33,715
Zach or Eric?

5615
04:36:35,195 --> 04:36:38,725
Yeah, so I'm on the Public Safety advisory committee

5616
04:36:39,145 --> 04:36:42,725
and yes, the,

5617
04:36:43,915 --> 04:36:45,245
this is a valid concern.

5618
04:36:47,085 --> 04:36:52,045
I would want more information from exactly how they came up

5619
04:36:52,045 --> 04:36:55,765
with these figures, but I also agree with the rest

5620
04:36:55,765 --> 04:36:59,485
of the council that it's probably not appropriate for the,

5621
04:37:00,025 --> 04:37:01,205
for the city council

5622
04:37:01,425 --> 04:37:05,845
to, to support this.

5623
04:37:06,705 --> 04:37:08,725
But I think the rationale behind it was

5624
04:37:08,995 --> 04:37:13,765
that the city is affected greatly by, by

5625
04:37:14,425 --> 04:37:15,805
the animals, the dogs,

5626
04:37:16,425 --> 04:37:21,045
and every, basically our police force is,

5627
04:37:21,185 --> 04:37:23,925
is being overextended because of these things.

5628
04:37:24,085 --> 04:37:27,005
I mean, we see over here 1,109 calls,

5629
04:37:28,785 --> 04:37:32,085
but I'd be definitely interested in seeing what the public

5630
04:37:32,785 --> 04:37:37,485
thinks or if the public should know where this

5631
04:37:38,375 --> 04:37:39,685
extra money is going to

5632
04:37:41,985 --> 04:37:45,485
in 11th cent extra from last year.

5633
04:37:45,715 --> 04:37:49,365
From what, from what I understand, there was a big donor

5634
04:37:49,995 --> 04:37:54,565
that donated to the, to the animal shelter.

5635
04:37:54,705 --> 04:37:57,165
So that's why that donor is gone now.

5636
04:37:57,165 --> 04:37:58,165
And so that's why they're having

5637
04:37:58,165 --> 04:37:59,885
to do the, the major increase.

5638
04:37:59,885 --> 04:38:04,805
But again, it is affecting our

5639
04:38:05,785 --> 04:38:08,685
police force and the amount of time that they're

5640
04:38:09,495 --> 04:38:11,845
being pulled away from doing their normal job.

5641
04:38:12,505 --> 04:38:15,285
So that is something that for the citizenry to,

5642
04:38:16,065 --> 04:38:20,125
to understand and it is an increase in our taxes.

5643
04:38:21,425 --> 04:38:25,965
So bottom line is, I feel the same with

5644
04:38:26,205 --> 04:38:29,765
what everybody else said there as far as the appropriateness

5645
04:38:29,825 --> 04:38:34,485
of, of voting on this here as a council body.

5646
04:38:35,615 --> 04:38:37,085
Thank you Eric. Any further discussion?

5647
04:38:38,125 --> 04:38:39,885
I feel that the sentiment of the council is

5648
04:38:39,985 --> 04:38:41,325
to take no action on that

5649
04:38:41,565 --> 04:38:45,165
because they have acknowledged at least half the members

5650
04:38:45,305 --> 04:38:46,765
and the council here have acknowledged

5651
04:38:46,765 --> 04:38:48,605
that this is not a true

5652
04:38:48,605 --> 04:38:50,325
representation of their constituents.

5653
04:38:50,545 --> 04:38:55,205
So I will take the sentiment of take no action

5654
04:38:55,225 --> 04:38:59,305
and ask for a thumbs up for that action to take.

5655
04:38:59,305 --> 04:39:01,265
No action. All right, thank you very much.

5656
04:39:02,685 --> 04:39:06,545
So next is anything in regard, any questions in regards

5657
04:39:06,545 --> 04:39:07,705
to the upcoming business meeting?

5658
04:39:07,765 --> 04:39:12,345
You would've had your packets last week, physical copy and

5659
04:39:12,485 --> 04:39:14,145
or digital copy.

5660
04:39:14,605 --> 04:39:17,265
Do we have any questions in regards to that, Rob?

5661
04:39:19,605 --> 04:39:21,425
So I sent an email to Aaron

5662
04:39:21,525 --> 04:39:24,865
and I copied the mayor council with regards

5663
04:39:24,865 --> 04:39:29,185
to specific concerns that I have on the, the RFP for the

5664
04:39:31,085 --> 04:39:32,665
non bargaining salary and compensation.

5665
04:39:32,765 --> 04:39:33,765
Did you get that Aaron?

5666
04:39:35,405 --> 04:39:39,225
Yes. Okay. Well I didn't receive any acknowledgement of

5667
04:39:39,225 --> 04:39:41,665
that and I'm just wondering the concerns that I have

5668
04:39:41,665 --> 04:39:43,225
before I would vote yes on something like that

5669
04:39:44,055 --> 04:39:45,465
were specifically stated in there.

5670
04:39:45,485 --> 04:39:48,265
And I don't know if that's gonna be covered Wednesday night.

5671
04:39:48,405 --> 04:39:51,705
Are we gonna have a live presenter from,

5672
04:39:51,725 --> 04:39:55,305
or a live representative from that, from that company

5673
04:39:55,445 --> 04:39:57,225
to potentially answer those questions?

5674
04:39:57,485 --> 04:39:59,305
Is staff prepared to answer my questions?

5675
04:40:00,425 --> 04:40:02,665
I just, and you can either tell me, you don't have

5676
04:40:02,665 --> 04:40:03,865
to say now yes or no now,

5677
04:40:03,865 --> 04:40:07,545
but I'm just saying I, I sent that to you a few days ago

5678
04:40:07,545 --> 04:40:09,185
because that's what I'm gonna need for Wednesday night.

5679
04:40:09,285 --> 04:40:13,625
So one way or another you can take that in under advisement.

5680
04:40:15,515 --> 04:40:18,465
Thank you counselor. That was on my item to discuss today

5681
04:40:19,165 --> 04:40:21,345
and I did get the email, you sent it Friday

5682
04:40:21,925 --> 04:40:25,185
and I Oh, saw the email this morning

5683
04:40:25,185 --> 04:40:26,345
before I came into the meeting.

5684
04:40:26,565 --> 04:40:31,105
So I had it down as a note to have counsel determine whether

5685
04:40:31,105 --> 04:40:34,825
or not they would like to have the, a representative

5686
04:40:35,765 --> 04:40:40,425
online from, from the low bidder

5687
04:40:41,045 --> 04:40:43,745
to ask any discussion to ask any questions.

5688
04:40:44,285 --> 04:40:47,425
So do you want us to try to get synergized online?

5689
04:40:47,695 --> 04:40:50,265
Some of the questions we definitely would not be able

5690
04:40:50,265 --> 04:40:54,425
to answer because this is an RFP for, for the services

5691
04:40:54,455 --> 04:40:56,065
that are specific to the consultant.

5692
04:40:56,325 --> 04:41:00,105
So if you have additional detailed questions like

5693
04:41:00,375 --> 04:41:02,385
what you suggested Councilor Pell,

5694
04:41:03,305 --> 04:41:06,145
I would ask if counsel wants to have them available

5695
04:41:06,245 --> 04:41:07,225
and I could see if they could,

5696
04:41:07,225 --> 04:41:08,505
they're available Wednesday night.

5697
04:41:09,005 --> 04:41:10,545
If it's imperative that they are available

5698
04:41:10,565 --> 04:41:13,665
and those questions are answered, we may need

5699
04:41:13,665 --> 04:41:14,745
to reschedule if they're not available.

5700
04:41:14,805 --> 04:41:16,065
But I can check their availability.

5701
04:41:17,205 --> 04:41:19,265
So does the counsel have an appetite to have the,

5702
04:41:20,025 --> 04:41:22,345
a representative available for Wednesday night's meeting?

5703
04:41:25,865 --> 04:41:28,865
I got, I'm okay. Three thumbs up.

5704
04:41:30,135 --> 04:41:31,905
4, 5 6. Yes please.

5705
04:41:32,085 --> 04:41:33,985
Can you reach out to them and see if they can be available?

5706
04:41:34,175 --> 04:41:36,345
Certainly. And if they're not available,

5707
04:41:36,645 --> 04:41:40,425
do we look at scheduling at a time where there are, are

5708
04:41:40,425 --> 04:41:41,545
where they are available?

5709
04:41:43,785 --> 04:41:45,865
'cause some of the detailed question were very detailed.

5710
04:41:46,085 --> 04:41:48,785
And so if that's a decision maker in that, then

5711
04:41:50,525 --> 04:41:54,125
So, so Rob, would it suffice if we could get those

5712
04:41:55,125 --> 04:41:56,205
questions answered directly,

5713
04:41:56,235 --> 04:41:57,925
like via email or anything if they're not available?

5714
04:41:58,345 --> 04:42:00,205
So it would suffice for me.

5715
04:42:00,685 --> 04:42:02,045
Those are just the questions that I had.

5716
04:42:02,245 --> 04:42:03,885
I mentioned that, I mean, you know,

5717
04:42:03,975 --> 04:42:05,685
seven other counselors may have their own questions

5718
04:42:05,955 --> 04:42:08,285
that staff doesn't have the ability to answer.

5719
04:42:08,985 --> 04:42:11,285
But that for me, I, I don't want to go back

5720
04:42:11,305 --> 04:42:14,085
and have the same process we had with McGrath

5721
04:42:14,235 --> 04:42:16,165
with them coming back and saying, guess what?

5722
04:42:16,475 --> 04:42:17,765
It's a proprietary formula.

5723
04:42:17,985 --> 04:42:19,605
We can't tell you, hey, we came up with that.

5724
04:42:19,985 --> 04:42:21,925
So, you know, I'm, I'm trying to avoid that

5725
04:42:22,225 --> 04:42:24,525
by asking my questions upfront before I hire them.

5726
04:42:24,825 --> 04:42:27,165
So if they can be answered, that would satisfy me.

5727
04:42:27,645 --> 04:42:29,205
I don't know about the other seven counselors.

5728
04:42:29,675 --> 04:42:31,725
Okay. So if staff reaches out

5729
04:42:31,945 --> 04:42:33,725
and can get participation

5730
04:42:34,465 --> 04:42:37,965
for Wednesday night's meeting, that would be great.

5731
04:42:38,265 --> 04:42:41,045
If they can, if there is a scheduling conflict,

5732
04:42:41,155 --> 04:42:44,205
does counsel have an appetite to postpone?

5733
04:42:48,865 --> 04:42:51,485
We would likely may maybe need to move it to a workshop.

5734
04:42:51,685 --> 04:42:53,085
'cause I think there's a response deadline

5735
04:42:53,085 --> 04:42:54,365
that we have in the RFP process.

5736
04:42:54,545 --> 04:42:57,005
But that would be, that would be what we'd shoot for. So,

5737
04:43:00,645 --> 04:43:01,805
I mean, excuse me.

5738
04:43:02,235 --> 04:43:05,165
Yeah, go ahead Rob. Sorry. So I,

5739
04:43:05,205 --> 04:43:07,485
i I don't really know what's most appropriate here,

5740
04:43:07,945 --> 04:43:09,925
but let's just say that,

5741
04:43:11,425 --> 04:43:14,005
and I'm not trying to speak for seven other people,

5742
04:43:14,585 --> 04:43:18,525
but let's say that the, the email that I sent was forwarded

5743
04:43:18,545 --> 04:43:23,005
to the, the, the applicant.

5744
04:43:24,425 --> 04:43:26,245
You know, they may be able to answer those questions,

5745
04:43:26,795 --> 04:43:29,245
send 'em back to staff, they may be able to get the answers.

5746
04:43:29,305 --> 04:43:30,405
It, it may be really simple.

5747
04:43:30,825 --> 04:43:32,045
I'm not trying to overcomplicate it,

5748
04:43:32,045 --> 04:43:34,125
but I am saying that I don't want to go down the same road

5749
04:43:34,125 --> 04:43:35,285
that we went down with McGrath

5750
04:43:35,665 --> 04:43:38,605
and end up with a, a mystery, a mystery result.

5751
04:43:38,605 --> 04:43:39,965
That's, so that's all I'm saying. However,

5752
04:43:39,965 --> 04:43:41,765
however I get those answers is fine.

5753
04:43:42,045 --> 04:43:43,245
Whether they're here Wednesday

5754
04:43:43,245 --> 04:43:44,525
night I think would be the best thing.

5755
04:43:44,965 --> 04:43:46,045
'cause everyone can ask questions,

5756
04:43:46,385 --> 04:43:48,805
but I, I just, for me, I need to have those answered

5757
04:43:48,805 --> 04:43:51,645
before I would risk going down the

5758
04:43:51,645 --> 04:43:52,805
same path we went down before.

5759
04:43:52,985 --> 04:43:53,985
So,

5760
04:43:54,315 --> 04:43:55,315
Okay.

5761
04:43:55,315 --> 04:43:58,125
I think staff has direction on that. So we'll go forward.

5762
04:43:58,345 --> 04:43:59,485
Any other questions in regards

5763
04:43:59,485 --> 04:44:01,965
to the Wednesday meeting, Victoria?

5764
04:44:02,995 --> 04:44:07,885
Yeah, I would like to star item A on the consent agenda

5765
04:44:08,545 --> 04:44:11,565
for a, a short presentation.

5766
04:44:12,435 --> 04:44:15,205
That was something that Kathleen asked.

5767
04:44:17,025 --> 04:44:19,725
Yes. So I did acknowledge that Kathleen asked for that

5768
04:44:20,225 --> 04:44:22,925
and I asked Kathleen back the question on,

5769
04:44:22,945 --> 04:44:24,845
and I'll ask you is why,

5770
04:44:25,315 --> 04:44:29,285
because it's a simple resolution to procedural

5771
04:44:29,465 --> 04:44:31,125
to actually extend a timeline.

5772
04:44:31,265 --> 04:44:33,045
So is there a certain per

5773
04:44:33,725 --> 04:44:35,805
I, I don know I was doing it for, for someone else.

5774
04:44:35,945 --> 04:44:38,405
So I don't know if she's had her question answered or not.

5775
04:44:38,405 --> 04:44:40,365
We don't, that's why I'm bringing it up. We don't

5776
04:44:40,365 --> 04:44:41,365
Have visit grants.

5777
04:44:41,565 --> 04:44:43,325
Yeah, I did reach out to Kathleen

5778
04:44:43,325 --> 04:44:44,605
and ask her that specific question

5779
04:44:44,845 --> 04:44:45,845
'cause I don't understand

5780
04:44:45,915 --> 04:44:47,525
what more information you can bring.

5781
04:44:48,385 --> 04:44:49,385
So I guess

5782
04:44:49,875 --> 04:44:51,805
Well definitely if she has a specific question.

5783
04:44:52,185 --> 04:44:55,365
I'm, I am I I believe we could probably answer it in lines

5784
04:44:55,475 --> 04:44:57,165
with the actual action on this.

5785
04:44:57,265 --> 04:45:00,365
As you said, mayor, it's a very simple procedural issue

5786
04:45:00,365 --> 04:45:03,165
where we're just making a, a small amendment to that

5787
04:45:04,035 --> 04:45:05,325
agreement, but

5788
04:45:05,635 --> 04:45:08,245
Yeah, it's just amending the, the the end date.

5789
04:45:08,755 --> 04:45:11,285
Yeah. Has no financial obligation to it.

5790
04:45:11,285 --> 04:45:14,245
It just, it is. So I guess we'll do the due diligence

5791
04:45:14,245 --> 04:45:16,685
and see if Yeah, if you can reach out to her, that'd great.

5792
04:45:16,685 --> 04:45:17,725
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Okay. Thank you.

5793
04:45:17,885 --> 04:45:19,605
I I did address that with her last week though.

5794
04:45:19,805 --> 04:45:20,645
I just didn't get a response.

5795
04:45:20,645 --> 04:45:21,885
She probably was traveling or something.

5796
04:45:21,905 --> 04:45:24,325
So thank you for bringing that up. Anything else, Joel?

5797
04:45:25,725 --> 04:45:26,765
I just have a question.

5798
04:45:26,915 --> 04:45:28,405
It's on the consent agenda again

5799
04:45:28,465 --> 04:45:31,525
and it's the Tourism Advisory Committee membership.

5800
04:45:32,545 --> 04:45:34,005
We don't have a Chamber of Commerce,

5801
04:45:34,145 --> 04:45:36,685
we don't have visit grants Pass, we don't have Main Street.

5802
04:45:38,385 --> 04:45:41,285
And on the consent agenda, it's a motion

5803
04:45:41,305 --> 04:45:45,805
to add somebody from Main Street and there,

5804
04:45:45,805 --> 04:45:47,405
and there must be some logic to this.

5805
04:45:47,565 --> 04:45:49,205
I don't, I don't understand what it is.

5806
04:45:49,685 --> 04:45:51,285
I believe what you're talking about is

5807
04:45:51,285 --> 04:45:55,285
that we have ex officios in essence for those committees

5808
04:45:55,285 --> 04:45:57,365
where you don't actually appoint the person,

5809
04:45:57,745 --> 04:45:59,125
but the Chamber has a representative

5810
04:45:59,125 --> 04:46:00,645
that they send to that group. Right.

5811
04:46:00,705 --> 04:46:01,725
And so do they vote

5812
04:46:05,755 --> 04:46:06,755
Shouldn't?

5813
04:46:06,825 --> 04:46:09,925
No. So I would, I would, you know,

5814
04:46:09,925 --> 04:46:11,565
if they're a non-voting member of the committee

5815
04:46:11,585 --> 04:46:13,285
and they attend, I, I think that's great.

5816
04:46:15,505 --> 04:46:18,205
It it does state liaison, which the definition of

5817
04:46:18,205 --> 04:46:20,205
that is a non-voting participant.

5818
04:46:21,155 --> 04:46:23,005
Okay. Okay. Yeah.

5819
04:46:23,005 --> 04:46:26,725
If it's a non-voting member, we ran into some issues with

5820
04:46:26,725 --> 04:46:28,285
that with the housing committee before.

5821
04:46:28,795 --> 04:46:30,885
Okay. With some conflicts of interest.

5822
04:46:31,995 --> 04:46:34,605
Okay. Thank you for bringing that up, Indra and then Rick.

5823
04:46:36,075 --> 04:46:39,645
Yeah, so I don't know if this affects Wednesday's meeting,

5824
04:46:39,785 --> 04:46:41,485
but I do want

5825
04:46:41,485 --> 04:46:45,965
to bring up the meeting on March 30th on the consent agenda.

5826
04:46:46,875 --> 04:46:49,165
Item a, a reconsideration.

5827
04:46:49,665 --> 04:46:54,565
Is this a time to bring this up or after you finish?

5828
04:46:55,805 --> 04:46:57,605
Well, let's go through the business meeting first.

5829
04:46:57,755 --> 04:46:59,485
Make sure everybody has their questions answered

5830
04:46:59,505 --> 04:47:01,325
for Wednesday and then we can bring that back.

5831
04:47:01,415 --> 04:47:02,805
Thank you. If that's okay, I'm not

5832
04:47:02,955 --> 04:47:03,885
Sure. No, sure.

5833
04:47:03,955 --> 04:47:07,045
Rick. So I have a calendar question. Okay.

5834
04:47:08,625 --> 04:47:10,965
We were gonna get more information on the swimming pool.

5835
04:47:10,985 --> 04:47:13,965
Do we have a timeline on that when it might show up?

5836
04:47:16,035 --> 04:47:20,395
Josh is not here, but you can just follow up later.

5837
04:47:22,025 --> 04:47:23,595
Okay, that's fine. Thank you. You alright?

5838
04:47:25,195 --> 04:47:26,875
Anything else on the Wednesday night's business

5839
04:47:26,875 --> 04:47:29,495
meeting, Aaron?

5840
04:47:30,405 --> 04:47:32,135
Yeah, I just, mayor, we'll need

5841
04:47:32,135 --> 04:47:34,095
to poll council action two B.

5842
04:47:36,405 --> 04:47:40,975
Okay. And I'll, I'm not sure if we'll reschedule,

5843
04:47:41,035 --> 04:47:42,175
but that one needs to be pulled

5844
04:47:43,515 --> 04:47:46,815
So that would be Cancel action. Okay. Two

5845
04:47:46,895 --> 04:47:47,895
B.

5846
04:47:47,945 --> 04:47:49,645
Two B. It's the,

5847
04:47:50,105 --> 04:47:53,245
for the 1 24 Northwest Midland Avenue property.

5848
04:47:54,855 --> 04:47:58,115
So we will basically pull that for a future date.

5849
04:48:00,245 --> 04:48:04,255
Okay. Anything else for Wednesday night? Wednesday night.

5850
04:48:04,805 --> 04:48:06,735
Once, twice. Done.

5851
04:48:07,645 --> 04:48:10,055
Okay, keep going.

5852
04:48:10,975 --> 04:48:13,815
Remember we have a, we have a executive meeting scheduled

5853
04:48:13,815 --> 04:48:15,535
here too and we're freaking almost at,

5854
04:48:15,535 --> 04:48:16,695
sorry, we're almost at five.

5855
04:48:16,715 --> 04:48:19,415
So I Go ahead. Andrea first and then Victoria.

5856
04:48:19,565 --> 04:48:22,575
Yeah, so the last meeting I was traveling

5857
04:48:22,715 --> 04:48:23,935
and so I apologize.

5858
04:48:24,155 --> 04:48:25,975
It was a little hectic for me.

5859
04:48:26,615 --> 04:48:28,895
I did not realize on the consent agenda,

5860
04:48:29,055 --> 04:48:32,095
I missed the resolution authorizing the city manager

5861
04:48:32,835 --> 04:48:35,495
to enter into an agreement with Josephine County

5862
04:48:36,055 --> 04:48:38,615
Visitors Association, including the addition

5863
04:48:38,615 --> 04:48:41,095
of downtown welcome center operation.

5864
04:48:41,195 --> 04:48:44,335
So I had a lot of questions on the agreement.

5865
04:48:44,495 --> 04:48:48,015
I called Erin early the next morning, like, oh my gosh.

5866
04:48:48,015 --> 04:48:50,655
Because I did hear from some people

5867
04:48:51,085 --> 04:48:52,815
that was on the consent agenda

5868
04:48:53,635 --> 04:48:55,855
and I have a lot,

5869
04:48:56,055 --> 04:48:58,695
I I'm surprised it was on the consent agenda.

5870
04:48:58,875 --> 04:49:03,615
To me, this is a, a workshop item where we should be able,

5871
04:49:04,355 --> 04:49:06,455
we could ask questions in front of

5872
04:49:07,035 --> 04:49:08,775
the public for transparency.

5873
04:49:09,695 --> 04:49:11,295
I just have a lot of questions

5874
04:49:11,355 --> 04:49:15,015
and I would ask that we do take this

5875
04:49:15,075 --> 04:49:16,655
to a workshop presentation.

5876
04:49:16,935 --> 04:49:19,855
I do understand that time is of the essence,

5877
04:49:20,235 --> 04:49:25,055
but one other thing I did come across is

5878
04:49:25,165 --> 04:49:26,935
that the,

5879
04:49:28,035 --> 04:49:31,335
we learned today the Josephine County Visitor Centers

5880
04:49:31,565 --> 04:49:33,855
Association is the registered

5881
04:49:37,415 --> 04:49:41,015
DBA visit grants pass, it's DBA visit grants pass.

5882
04:49:41,795 --> 04:49:45,135
And when I looked up in the business registry,

5883
04:49:45,155 --> 04:49:46,335
the corporate division,

5884
04:49:46,885 --> 04:49:50,255
Josephine County Visitor Center Association is showing

5885
04:49:50,395 --> 04:49:53,295
as inactive an inactive entity.

5886
04:49:53,915 --> 04:49:57,975
So I don't know how we can go into an agreement until

5887
04:49:57,995 --> 04:49:59,815
that's taken care of for one.

5888
04:50:00,115 --> 04:50:03,215
And I'm not saying that it's not gonna be a great thing,

5889
04:50:03,475 --> 04:50:06,375
so I don't wanna say that I'm against doing it.

5890
04:50:06,975 --> 04:50:08,455
I think we heard a lot.

5891
04:50:08,565 --> 04:50:09,975
It's very, it's positive

5892
04:50:09,995 --> 04:50:11,655
and I think it could be a great thing,

5893
04:50:12,235 --> 04:50:14,975
but I just would like a lot of questions answered

5894
04:50:15,355 --> 04:50:18,295
and I, I didn't go directly to them

5895
04:50:18,295 --> 04:50:21,415
because I thought they were questions that the whole council

5896
04:50:21,945 --> 04:50:25,135
would maybe want to hear or ask questions of their own

5897
04:50:25,315 --> 04:50:27,615
or that the public would want to hear as well.

5898
04:50:28,075 --> 04:50:31,855
And so that's why I don't, I didn't go to the source

5899
04:50:31,955 --> 04:50:34,935
and get all my questions answered in advance.

5900
04:50:35,955 --> 04:50:38,415
And so I would like to have that reconsidered

5901
04:50:38,415 --> 04:50:40,695
and taken to a workshop presentation.

5902
04:50:41,245 --> 04:50:43,895
Okay. So your request was, was heard

5903
04:50:44,115 --> 04:50:48,805
and the DMO actually signed the contract.

5904
04:50:49,045 --> 04:50:50,885
I actually signed the re resolution,

5905
04:50:51,565 --> 04:50:53,405
but Aaron held off on signature

5906
04:50:53,465 --> 04:50:55,845
so we could bring it forth for any questions. And,

5907
04:50:56,345 --> 04:50:57,845
And thank you Aaron. I appreciate that.

5908
04:50:58,035 --> 04:50:59,445
Yeah, you're welcome. So any questions

5909
04:50:59,445 --> 04:51:02,045
that you have in advance, we're more than happy to an try

5910
04:51:02,045 --> 04:51:03,165
to answer those questions so we

5911
04:51:03,165 --> 04:51:04,245
don't have to go through that process.

5912
04:51:04,425 --> 04:51:07,205
If council does desire to do a re,

5913
04:51:07,205 --> 04:51:09,645
if a council member desires to do a reconsideration,

5914
04:51:10,105 --> 04:51:11,885
you can do a reconsideration on a,

5915
04:51:11,885 --> 04:51:13,125
on an ordinance resolution.

5916
04:51:15,555 --> 04:51:18,045
It's at the next regular meeting,

5917
04:51:18,055 --> 04:51:20,325
which is defined as business meeting.

5918
04:51:20,425 --> 04:51:23,045
So at Wednesday's meeting you would need,

5919
04:51:23,045 --> 04:51:26,605
the process would be you would, anyone who voted in favor of

5920
04:51:27,225 --> 04:51:28,765
can ask for reconsideration.

5921
04:51:29,275 --> 04:51:32,245
Therefore you can under matters for mayor, council

5922
04:51:32,305 --> 04:51:35,925
and staff, ask for a reconsideration on that action item.

5923
04:51:36,505 --> 04:51:37,725
And then counsel would vote.

5924
04:51:37,825 --> 04:51:40,125
And if two thirds of the council agrees with you,

5925
04:51:40,705 --> 04:51:43,725
we will do a reconsideration at the next regular meeting.

5926
04:51:44,145 --> 04:51:47,725
If not, it will your, your reconsideration will fail.

5927
04:51:47,785 --> 04:51:49,525
And then I'll go ahead and sign the contract

5928
04:51:51,185 --> 04:51:52,845
At the next regular meeting.

5929
04:51:52,845 --> 04:51:53,845
That's, that's Wednesday night.

5930
04:51:53,985 --> 04:51:55,925
So Wednesday night meeting under manage mayor, council

5931
04:51:55,925 --> 04:51:59,565
and staff ask for a reconsideration of the contract

5932
04:51:59,825 --> 04:52:01,725
and if there's two thirds vote in favor of,

5933
04:52:01,725 --> 04:52:03,725
then we'll do a reconsideration at the

5934
04:52:03,725 --> 04:52:04,765
following business meeting.

5935
04:52:04,765 --> 04:52:06,605
It'll be put on the agenda for reconsideration.

5936
04:52:07,235 --> 04:52:09,965
Okay. I understand that. And thank you for clarifying.

5937
04:52:10,325 --> 04:52:12,245
I wasn't sure if it was workshop or meeting.

5938
04:52:12,865 --> 04:52:14,285
If it goes, if it passes

5939
04:52:14,425 --> 04:52:16,565
and goes to the next business meeting,

5940
04:52:18,425 --> 04:52:20,885
can we dis would we be discussing it

5941
04:52:20,885 --> 04:52:22,365
then or then? It would,

5942
04:52:22,705 --> 04:52:23,705
It would be discussed.

5943
04:52:23,705 --> 04:52:24,605
Yeah.

5944
04:52:25,105 --> 04:52:28,045
And not at a workshop, which, so we would,

5945
04:52:28,145 --> 04:52:30,885
you would put it on for discussion at the next meeting.

5946
04:52:31,145 --> 04:52:32,485
At the next business meeting. Okay. Thank

5947
04:52:32,485 --> 04:52:33,485
You.

5948
04:52:35,035 --> 04:52:38,965
Okay. Any And I had Victoria, oh, sorry, sorry,

5949
04:52:38,965 --> 04:52:40,405
Rob has a question on the same topic

5950
04:52:40,685 --> 04:52:41,685
Question.

5951
04:52:41,685 --> 04:52:43,485
So if Indra,

5952
04:52:43,485 --> 04:52:44,725
and it sounds like she's gonna bring it up

5953
04:52:44,725 --> 04:52:48,565
for reconsideration, there's then discussion as to

5954
04:52:49,545 --> 04:52:51,605
why someone wants to bring it up for reconsideration

5955
04:52:51,785 --> 04:52:53,885
or it's just a vote, we get to discuss it

5956
04:52:54,665 --> 04:52:55,805
or it's just a vote,

5957
04:52:57,795 --> 04:52:59,125
Whether it be a motion on the

5958
04:52:59,125 --> 04:53:00,765
table and you can discuss the motion. Right.

5959
04:53:00,765 --> 04:53:03,405
Thank you. And I would encourage you

5960
04:53:03,405 --> 04:53:05,085
to formulate your questions

5961
04:53:05,085 --> 04:53:06,565
and reach out to staff ahead of time

5962
04:53:06,625 --> 04:53:07,765
so they're actually prepared.

5963
04:53:09,365 --> 04:53:11,285
'cause I, I mean this, not

5964
04:53:11,285 --> 04:53:12,765
that you guys have discussed this,

5965
04:53:12,865 --> 04:53:15,205
but this has been in your guys' purview for months.

5966
04:53:15,235 --> 04:53:16,645
This has been lingering out there

5967
04:53:16,705 --> 04:53:19,605
and it was actually on, on a, on a previous agenda,

5968
04:53:19,665 --> 04:53:21,645
but then was pulled because we had some new

5969
04:53:22,645 --> 04:53:24,965
TLT dollar legislation that came out

5970
04:53:24,985 --> 04:53:26,645
and Stephanie actually pulled it.

5971
04:53:27,025 --> 04:53:28,805
So this has been in our mirror

5972
04:53:28,945 --> 04:53:31,885
and our purview for, for a long time.

5973
04:53:32,595 --> 04:53:33,805
Yeah, I know. It has been,

5974
04:53:33,925 --> 04:53:36,205
I was just surprised it wasn't an action item

5975
04:53:36,205 --> 04:53:38,325
where we would actually discuss it

5976
04:53:38,385 --> 04:53:41,565
or I would've pulled it out for discussion at that meeting.

5977
04:53:41,825 --> 04:53:42,925
So I just missed

5978
04:53:43,005 --> 04:53:44,005
That.

5979
04:53:44,005 --> 04:53:46,845
But yes, thank you Victoria.

5980
04:53:47,795 --> 04:53:49,085
Yeah, there have been many people

5981
04:53:49,265 --> 04:53:53,845
who have contacted counsel about the Beacon Hill Park,

5982
04:53:54,185 --> 04:53:55,445
not just the pump track,

5983
04:53:55,825 --> 04:53:58,125
but that even complicates it more so

5984
04:53:58,805 --> 04:54:00,245
because that's a whole

5985
04:54:00,825 --> 04:54:03,805
bigger scenario.

5986
04:54:04,505 --> 04:54:07,565
But there were people who were concerned even about the

5987
04:54:07,565 --> 04:54:09,765
parking lot and the walking trail.

5988
04:54:10,465 --> 04:54:15,445
And I had only previously heard from members of the public

5989
04:54:15,945 --> 04:54:18,685
who really were in favor of it.

5990
04:54:19,345 --> 04:54:21,485
And I really appreciated Valerie coming

5991
04:54:21,825 --> 04:54:23,805
and talking about it as well.

5992
04:54:24,865 --> 04:54:26,605
But now it's come to my attention

5993
04:54:26,605 --> 04:54:28,565
that there are many people who are concerned.

5994
04:54:28,745 --> 04:54:31,925
And so the, the survey went out

5995
04:54:33,385 --> 04:54:36,685
in 2019 and so that's seven years ago.

5996
04:54:37,385 --> 04:54:39,565
And I think we're going to have to,

5997
04:54:40,445 --> 04:54:41,605
so maybe it's the same thing.

5998
04:54:42,025 --> 04:54:45,085
We need to revisit this decision and,

5999
04:54:47,745 --> 04:54:49,485
but it might be a moot point also

6000
04:54:49,485 --> 04:54:50,485
because if we were going

6001
04:54:50,485 --> 04:54:52,725
to also consider putting a pump track there, then

6002
04:54:52,725 --> 04:54:54,325
that definitely would have to have

6003
04:54:55,005 --> 04:54:57,485
a survey going out to the public.

6004
04:54:58,105 --> 04:55:00,205
So I don't wanna make more work for people,

6005
04:55:00,705 --> 04:55:02,765
but I don't want to let this go either

6006
04:55:03,195 --> 04:55:06,085
because I was thinking the public was, but,

6007
04:55:06,105 --> 04:55:09,285
but there are, there are people who have talked to me

6008
04:55:09,305 --> 04:55:10,365
who are concerned about it.

6009
04:55:10,365 --> 04:55:12,005
So I wanted to make sure that those were

6010
04:55:12,075 --> 04:55:13,165
addressed in the public.

6011
04:55:14,275 --> 04:55:18,005
Okay. So we, as

6012
04:55:18,395 --> 04:55:21,285
what I recall, and it was Aaron reminded me, is,

6013
04:55:21,285 --> 04:55:23,965
is council already gave staff direction to actually

6014
04:55:24,685 --> 04:55:26,885
reissue the survey or do another

6015
04:55:26,885 --> 04:55:28,525
Survey to re to do a new, a new survey.

6016
04:55:28,705 --> 04:55:30,445
To do a new survey. So that is, that is on

6017
04:55:30,445 --> 04:55:31,445
Oh.

6018
04:55:31,445 --> 04:55:34,085
So well already. So good. Very efficient. Thank you.

6019
04:55:34,125 --> 04:55:36,525
Thank you. So it's good

6020
04:55:36,525 --> 04:55:38,725
that the Yes, thank you for doing that.

6021
04:55:38,725 --> 04:55:40,645
Sure. Because of the public concern. Thanks.

6022
04:55:40,795 --> 04:55:43,085
Sure. Thank you. Beautiful.

6023
04:55:43,185 --> 04:55:44,605
Ask questions and you, and you get answers.

6024
04:55:44,715 --> 04:55:46,125
It's awesome Eric.

6025
04:55:47,475 --> 04:55:50,085
Yeah, I just wanted to remind everyone on the council,

6026
04:55:50,105 --> 04:55:52,285
if they haven't already done it, the statement of

6027
04:55:52,845 --> 04:55:56,765
economic interest SEI is due on the 15th to og e.

6028
04:55:56,865 --> 04:55:58,845
So don't forget to get that done.

6029
04:55:59,465 --> 04:56:00,805
Oh, you'll get emails. Oh,

6030
04:56:00,835 --> 04:56:02,005
I've, I've got it right here.

6031
04:56:03,285 --> 04:56:04,325
I get harassment,

6032
04:56:04,625 --> 04:56:08,925
but I just wanted to remind everybody that it's due.

6033
04:56:09,245 --> 04:56:13,085
I think they call that gentle nudging. Okay.

6034
04:56:13,085 --> 04:56:15,325
Any, anything else? 'cause we do have an executive session

6035
04:56:15,325 --> 04:56:19,925
to go into here, but anything else? Okay, Aaron,

6036
04:56:20,885 --> 04:56:23,445
I just need three volunteers to sit down with me

6037
04:56:23,445 --> 04:56:26,045
with regards to the city manager evaluation process.

6038
04:56:27,255 --> 04:56:31,445
Three volunteers, Rob, For the what? City?

6039
04:56:31,795 --> 04:56:34,085
City. City Manager evaluation review.

6040
04:56:34,465 --> 04:56:36,165
So like a little brainstorming session.

6041
04:56:37,185 --> 04:56:38,725
So I got four people.

6042
04:56:44,455 --> 04:56:46,405
Three people. Okay. So Andrea bowed out.

6043
04:56:46,405 --> 04:56:49,485
So we, we got Seth, Victoria, and Rob. Good with that.

6044
04:56:49,785 --> 04:56:50,965
All right, cool. Thank you. Thanks.

6045
04:56:52,345 --> 04:56:55,725
If that is good, then we will go into executive session

6046
04:56:57,465 --> 04:57:02,125
and I call for, basically we're going to adjourn the

6047
04:57:02,795 --> 04:57:03,795
Executive session.

6048
04:57:06,225 --> 04:57:07,565
Do I have to read our protocol?

6049
04:57:07,985 --> 04:57:10,925
Oh yeah, I'm looking for it. There we go. Okay.

6050
04:57:13,985 --> 04:57:16,205
So today's workshop will be adjourned

6051
04:57:16,305 --> 04:57:19,325
and the council will now meet, meet an executive session

6052
04:57:19,385 --> 04:57:22,165
for the purpose of discussing those subjects previously

6053
04:57:22,165 --> 04:57:23,885
noticed in this executive session.

6054
04:57:24,105 --> 04:57:27,805
The executive session is held pursuant ORS 1 92

6055
04:57:27,855 --> 04:57:29,605
0.660

6056
04:57:29,785 --> 04:57:32,445
and more specifically under the subsections of that statute,

6057
04:57:32,495 --> 04:57:35,445
which have been publicly noticed for this meeting.

6058
04:57:35,825 --> 04:57:37,805
Representatives of the news media

6059
04:57:38,025 --> 04:57:40,085
and designated staff shall be allowed

6060
04:57:40,085 --> 04:57:41,645
to attend the executive session.

6061
04:57:41,825 --> 04:57:43,605
All other members of the audience

6062
04:57:44,345 --> 04:57:45,605
are asked to leave the room.

6063
04:57:45,605 --> 04:57:48,005
Representatives of the news organization,

6064
04:57:48,055 --> 04:57:49,525
which we don't really have any,

6065
04:57:51,515 --> 04:57:53,445
have specific directions to report.

6066
04:57:53,475 --> 04:57:55,485
Only on the topic only

6067
04:57:55,485 --> 04:57:57,005
and not deliberations during the session.

6068
04:57:58,585 --> 04:58:01,605
No decision may be made in executive session.

6069
04:58:01,825 --> 04:58:04,685
At the end of executive session we will adjourn for the day

6070
04:58:06,385 --> 04:58:08,605
and who we, who we got speaking with us.

6071
04:58:08,635 --> 04:58:09,365
Wait, wait.