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Started in tonight's city of Grants pass council meeting

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for September 2nd,

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we'll start the proceedings with an invocation.

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And Kathleen,

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Yes, I'd like to invite Angela Mayor to the podium

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to pray us into the meeting tonight.

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Thank you.

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This wet and rainy night.

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Thank you Lord God of wisdom and peace.

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We ask you to be present with us tonight.

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Give us the humility to listen before we speak.

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The wisdom to seek understanding before victory

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and the courage to serve rather than be served.

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Help each person in this room to remember

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that we share one community.

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Thank you Lord. Thank you Lord.

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May our words tonight be marked with grace

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and our leadership by a spirit of service.

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Amen.

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Thank you. All right.

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Please write for raise, rise for the flag salute.

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Remove your covers if you have them.

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I flag

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of the United States of America for which

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Stands?

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One nation under

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God, Indivisible with liberty Justice.

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Okay, we'll go through a quick roll call.

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We got Victoria, Kathleen, Indra, Rick, Eric

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and Rob.

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We are missing Joel and Seth,

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but we do have a quorum so we will proceed.

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Do I have to read this now? Is this our new protocol?

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Yes, our new. Okay. Very.

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This city council public meeting is expected

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to proceed in an efficient and courteous manner and

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and all participants

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and attendees are encouraged to act accordingly.

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Threatening conduct violations of law, signs

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or placards, outbursts of of applause.

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Campaigning for public office

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or other disruptive behavior will not be tolerated.

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Individuals who engage in disruptive conduct will be warned

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before they are asked

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to leave the council chambers or be removed.

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Alright, first on the agenda is a public hearing for

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the Urban Area Planning Commission decision

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to deny application for Eden Glen PUD Subdivision

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Street variances at 1907 Fruit Dale Drive.

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We are not proceeding forward with the hearing

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because it has been requested to continue this hearing

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on a later date, which would be September 16th.

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So the hearing will not proceed this evening.

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It will proceed on September 16th.

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Next on the agenda is council action item resolution.

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Authorizing the city manager to enter into an agreement

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with control systems northwest for water systems remote

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S-C-A-D-A upgrades.

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And I will give it to Jason.

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That Came up faster than I was expecting.

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Thank you Mayor. So it is

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C-D-A-S-C-A-D-A, which is supervisory control

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and data acquisition.

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This is a project that's been in the planning stages

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for quite some time and it's finally ready to be completed.

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So little sub summary on goals

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and we're just gonna provide a brief summary of

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what the work is, which is extensive

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and it does, it is at the water treatment plant,

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the new water treatment plant

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and all of the remote water sites

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of which there are 23 of them.

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And it is to ensure continuity of operations

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with the SCADA system prior

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to the replacement water treatment plant coming on board.

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So what is SCADA S SCADA stands for supervisory control

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and data acquisition.

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It is a complete system of in sensors, machines, logic,

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basically software controllers

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and a human machine interface, basically a computer screen.

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It is all of those components together

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and it is crucial to the operations

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of modern facilities like water and wastewater.

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Plants and sensors are essentially

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everything in the field that read something, do something,

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touch the water in any way.

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They can be everything from a valve actuator

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to a complex instrument like a TER that is reading data

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and bringing data back to the, to the control room

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PLCs, we use that term a lot in the water

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and wastewater industry as a programmable logic controller.

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Think of this like your cell phone.

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It is an industrial computer

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and it is the device that connects all of the field sensors

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to the HMI, which is the human machine interface

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or basically that computer interface, which allows us to see

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that data, make decisions on that data and then take action.

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HMII kind of just covered that,

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but it is the,

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the basically the interface for our operators.

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It's how we interact with the data, store the data

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and provides that graphical interface

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between the computers and humans.

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'cause most humans don't do computers very well.

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Like the computer. The computer wants

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to give you a series of numbers.

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I can't look at a series of numbers

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and make a good decision, but I can look at a line

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that goes up and down and make a much better decision

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and that's what the HMI does for us.

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So going back a little bit, in 1999

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and 2000, our original SCADA system was replaced

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with the system that's currently in place.

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Our original system was a proprietary system built

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by a local resident

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and was a pretty amazing system for what it was.

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The new system greatly improved the communication rates,

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the data collection capabilities of our pump stations

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and reservoirs and that that really allowed our operators

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to make much better informed decisions about the water

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system as a whole, improving water quality

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and water usage rates.

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Just as a little bit of an anecdote, when I started here,

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we were on our old SCADA system

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and we would turn a pump on in the control room at the water

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filtration plant and then we would drive up

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to Madone pump station, which was at the corner

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of Beacon and Madone.

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There's a little concrete building, it's a pump station

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and then we could watch the pump turn on.

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It took it that long to get the signal from the water plant

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to the pump station.

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We could then drive back to the water filtration plant

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in time to see it enunciate on the screen

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that it had actually taken that action.

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The, the system that replaced it, which is the system

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that is currently in place,

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is actually providing near real-time data

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and we talk to all 23 sites collecting multiple words worth

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of data and we do that all in less than 30 seconds

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so we can turn a pump on.

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Then very next scan, we see that

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that pump turned on and reported back.

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It's really improved how we operate.

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However, this equipment is now 26 years old

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and I don't know about you, but my home computer

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didn't last 26 years.

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Most of this equipment is very much at the

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end of its service life.

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In 2015, staff worked with Corolla engineers

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to develop a water and wastewater SCADA system master plan.

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So both facilities have extensive SCADA equipment.

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We need to have a plan for moving forward.

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The plan did recommend a number of projects

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to bring both water

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and wastewater SCADA systems up to date

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with current technologies.

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The wastewater plant SCADA upgrades happened mostly under

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the last update, which happened just a few years ago.

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Water is lagging a little bit behind.

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We had far more remote sites to deal with

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and the s scada at the wastewater plant was mostly in the

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plant so it was easier to take care of.

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So the program programmable logic controllers,

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PLCs are really the heart of the system.

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The PLC again is a compact industrial computer,

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which takes all of the inputs from the field, connects

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to some sort of communication interface

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and then receives that signal back

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and then takes action in the field.

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They are designed to operate in very harsh environments

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that are found in industrial facilities

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and remote locations, including water

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and wastewater stations.

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As you can imagine. And I'm gonna use,

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let me get my laser planter real quick.

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This facility right here is actually on top

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of Reservoir five and it is out there in the rain.

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The sleet, the shine, the snow, it is in a box

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and it's enclosed, but as you can imagine,

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it takes a beating from the elements.

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And so these computers have to be able to withstand that.

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So lifecycle definition, A-A-P-L-C, like any piece

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of hardware, has a lifecycle for the purposes of

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PLCs, they have what's called active.

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So that means that

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that is the manufacturer's go-to flagship.

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This is what we're producing

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for the next foreseeable future.

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And when it moves into active mature, that's when the next,

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the manufacturer knows that there's something coming down,

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but we still are making these,

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we're still supporting them with parts.

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You'll still be able to buy them off of the shelf

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and we'll support them when we get towards end of life.

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The manufacturer is still supporting them,

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but you're no longer to necessarily buy them off the shelf.

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They may have some remaining

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and they'll deplete their inventory

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and then when you get into discontinued,

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that's when you can no longer get factory support

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nor can you get parts.

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And in fact, all of our equipment

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PLCs are now in discontinued and have been for four years.

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So they are well past the prime.

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The last failure we had, our repair parts came from,

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believe it or not, eBay,

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which they're still a pretty thriving market,

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but there's some used parts out there that can be gotten.

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So moving to communications, all

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of those PLCs have to go through a radio.

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Our current radio communications don't meet current

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remote site needs.

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And by that what I mean is

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that the data speeds are just a little bit too slow.

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We're transmitting far more data we need to get, even though

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that 30 seconds is very fast,

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we need to get a little bit quicker.

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And then also we're unable to transmit video data,

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which is becoming more

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and more needed as we do intrusion detection

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and try to assure that our water sites are protected.

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They also lack specific protocols.

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And what I mean by that is if there were a detection were

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to, or a, if an intrusion were to occur,

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we're unable to detect that.

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It just does not have the tools to diagnostically tell

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that somebody entered that radio.

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I don't want anybody to worry. Our radios are very secure.

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I trust them implicitly.

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We use what's called a spread spectrum technology.

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And what that means is that every couple of milliseconds,

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it's broadcasting on a different frequency over a range

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of a pretty broad range of frequencies.

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That means for somebody to be able to intercept

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and detect that they actually have to know which frequency

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to be on at any given second.

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And it's random, but all

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of the radios know what that random is.

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So, so it is very secure, but again, a little slow

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and if it were to get through, somebody was to get through,

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we would not be able to detect that.

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So project 6 4 1 5 was created in 2021.

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As I said, we've been working on this for quite a while

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with the goal to complete the remote site upgrades prior

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to the replacement water treatment plant coming online.

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The goal of this is we don't wanna move all

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of our old equipment and our old radios over

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and have to build a radio tower at the new facility.

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We want to set it up for the new equipment

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with the new antennas and everything complete

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before that comes online in May of 2022.

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Counsel did approve task order three

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with Control Systems Northwest,

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which did a detailed inventory of all 23 remote sites

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and laid out our path forward to today.

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So task order 17, which this is, will upgrade all

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of the remote sites over the next, I wanna say about six

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to eight months per perhaps a little bit longer in

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preparation for the replacement water treatment plant.

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Coming online, we are gonna have to work very, very closely

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with control systems Northwest and staff.

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Some of the sites we cannot take down for very long.

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And when we talk about how these work, these are the

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hardware that makes the pump stations actually function.

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So we have to plan each one of those upgrades very,

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very, very carefully.

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Understand what our process is gonna be to take

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that offline, put in all the new equipment,

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get it back online and tested

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and hopefully work without a disruption

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to people's water supplies.

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The task order does include the purchase

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and installation of all hardware included

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with 23 remote sites.

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And that includes their PLCs, their cellular radios,

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power controls and conditioning and enclosures.

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It also installs and programs all of the hardware

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and provides plant staff with updated electrical

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and control drawings

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for future troubleshooting and maintenance.

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Total cost for task orders 17 is $1.646 million.

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Funds are budgeted and available within Project WA 6 4 15.

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And authorization today would allow control Systems

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Northwest make the improvements over the next 12 months.

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And with that I have some alternatives

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and I'm glad to answer any questions for you.

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Thank you Jason. Any questions from counsel? Eric?

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Thank you Jason for the very detailed presentation.

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I appreciate I had a question in terms of the,

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you know, obviously this is a great cost to the city

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and I know this is, this looks like,

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or it is very spec specialized equipment.

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So I guess the, the obvious question is, is there,

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are there other competitors?

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Are there other ways of possibly doing it to

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where we might be able to save a little money?

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I know the, the answer is probably no,

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but I wanted to make sure the public understands. Yeah,

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I mean we evaluate continuously,

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you know, newer technologies.

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One of the things that we have tried

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to do is standardize all of the SC equipment.

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So where it's the same, we don't want individual pieces

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of equipment being different amongst them.

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We believe that what we have presented you

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with is the lowest cost option.

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Is there probably another lower cost option out there?

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Y yes, you're always gonna get somebody to come in

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and tell you that yes,

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they can install something, is it better?

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I can't speak to that. What we have tried to do is,

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is ensure that what we have installed, Alan Bradley is our,

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our service provider

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or the the manufacturer to get a piece of hardware

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to last 26 years in an environment like that is incredible.

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What I can tell you is that the wastewater plant

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that they had originally installed other types of equipment,

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those equipments have had a much higher failure rate than

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the Allen Bradley equipment is, which leads

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to us replacing them far more frequently.

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So, I mean that's the other thing that we try to weigh.

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Could we redesign to a much cheaper standard?

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I think there, the, the short answer to that is probably so,

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but I don't think in the long run it benefits the water

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system because the reliability would decrease significantly.

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But thank you. Yeah, Further questions Rick.

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Thank you Jason. So I guess all systems require

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connection to the internet,

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but is this one also standalone if the internet goes down?

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So I knew this question was gonna come up.

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All systems do not require connections to the internet.

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That's for starters.

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We do connect systems to the internet for convenience sake.

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I will say our SCADA systems do connect

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to the internet, but you or I cannot actually access them

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because they're just, they're behind multiple firewalls.

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These radios are actually ethernet radios,

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so they're like a wifi router.

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So technically they're on the ethernet

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but they're, it's called a private network

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and they are, you can't get access to them.

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But if the internet or wifi

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or anything goes down,

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can we still operate? Are we standalone?

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Yeah, so that's the other thing.

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The the, when you send all of those parameters to that PLC,

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that PLC sits there

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and run until you give it new parameters to change.

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As long as everything's, we can be down for quite some time.

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Our current radio network goes down periodically

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and everything stays running really good

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until we have like a more than a day's outage.

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We don't really have an issue.

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There's a couple of upsides that have problems,

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but they're self-contained.

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So as long as it can read the sensor that it's connected to

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and take an action and turn a pump on,

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then it's, it's all good.

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Okay, thank you.

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Any further questions Andrew?

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So is there a reason this wasn't included when we budgeted

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for the water plant?

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Like it seems like this goes together so

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They, they do somewhat go together.

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This has always been on a separate track

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because the 23 really remote sites,

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they're not really related to the treatment plant,

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but they are Right.

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It's, it's all part of the overall water system and

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because it was on a separate track

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and it's very specialized work, we just did not include that

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with the current contract.

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But it, it's a fair question.

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It could have been lumped in there,

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it just didn't make sense because they're all working there.

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These are scattered throughout the, the city, so.

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Okay. And and you said it started,

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you started working on it in 2021?

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Yeah. Putting money into this fund.

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Where, where exactly did that money come from?

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From the water revenues.

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So we've just been putting a little bit aside each year

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In, so we, when we did the water rate increases,

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we took this into account that some

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Of it's been part of the overall capital project.

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It is already included in our water rates.

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Absolutely. Okay, thank you. Yep.

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Excuse me, any further questions

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Kathleen?

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Just to follow up on Rick's what he brought up there

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for a minute, this sounds very highly secure.

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Yeah. Is that correct?

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Yes. I mean that is definitely something that we watch.

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I will say our IT folks

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and our SCADA integrators are really keyed into csa

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and I'm gonna get the name wrong,

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but basically it's who watches hacking on the internet

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for industrial computing.

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It is a very serious issue.

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We know that Iran is currently threatening water

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and wastewater facilities.

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So we have currently disconnected all

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of our systems essentially from the internet

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and only plugged that back in when our integrators need

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to access the systems.

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And then the future systems

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as we go into the new water filtration plant

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have further barriers.

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Not only do we just physically disconnect them,

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but when they need to be connected, there's multiple points

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of authentication that you would have to get through

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to be even able to access.

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It's inconvenient as heck for us,

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but it needs to be a hundred percent. So

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Yeah.

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Any further questions Indra?

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Yeah, just, just one more.

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Does will this cost more on an ongoing basis

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to maintain than our old system?

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Slightly more mainly

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because of the, the cellular communications,

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but it's on the order

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of a couple hundred dollars a year, you know.

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Yeah. It's not significant at all. Yeah.

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Further questions, Victoria,

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So j this is just for the public.

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Yeah. From everything that you, the information

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that you've given us, I, it, it just seems like, I like

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what Kathleen and Rick said that this is very secure.

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Yeah. And is there, just, is there anything that you can

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say just to the public to tell them a little bit about

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how this makes their water source secure?

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It actually makes it, in my opinion, personal opinion,

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and I am not an expert in this.

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We had a a an hour

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and a half meeting on SCADA security the other day

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with five people in the room

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and I left with my head just swimming and it was horrible.

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It makes it safer. A the radios that we are moving

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to are literally their own private network

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that nobody else has access to the frequencies,

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nobody else has access to the IP numbers.

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And so that sets up our own private network.

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The firewall tunnels

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that we're building are even more secure

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and you have to get through both the city's VPN

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and then our own VPN.

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So there's multiple ways in this is a huge improvement over

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where we were and we're doing implementing

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that both at water and wastewater.

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Thank you. Any further questions from council?

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Alright, see you. None. Thank you. Thank you Jason.

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At this time we afford the public an opportunity

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to comment in regards to this specific council action item,

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which is upgrading our SC DA system, remote system.

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Anybody from the public? All right, see you. None.

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I'll bring it back to council for further

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discussion and or action.

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Indra?

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Yes, I'm going to move that council,

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approve the resolution authorizing the city manager

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to enter into an agreement with CSNW

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to perform upgrade work on the water division's 21

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remote facilities.

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All right. It has been motion to approve the action

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to grant a cada upgrade

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with anybody.

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Want to second Kathleen on a second? Any further discussion?

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All right. Seeing none, Andrew, how do you vote?

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Yes, Kathleen. Yes. Victoria? Yes. Rob?

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Yes. Eric? Yes. Rick? Yes. Thank you very much.

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Passes resolution passes. Thank you.

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Next on the agenda, tonight is a motion

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appointing two members to the small business task force.

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So there is a pink piece of paper in front of you

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and I guess sign it and pass it down.

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Just accept that since there's,

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Since there's no contenders in this, I would just look

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for counsel, a counselor to step up

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and make the recommendation. Rob, thank

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You.

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I'll make a motion to appoint Logan Roberts

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and Rebecca Nugent to the small business task force.

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Thank you. And a second from Rick. Any further discussion?

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Seeing none, Rick had, I mean, sorry. Rob, how do you vote?

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Yes. Eric? Yes. Rick? Yes. Indra? Yes. Kathleen? Yes.

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Victoria? Yes. Alright.

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The two members are appointed

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to the small business task force.

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Thank you very much. Next on our agenda, we come

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to general public comment.

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This is an opportunity for the public

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to address this city Council on items not related

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to a public hearing

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or council action Item on tonight's agenda,

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the intent is to receive information that is pertinent

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to the matters within the city's actual jurisdiction.

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Each speaker will be given three minutes

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to address the council.

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Council members will have an opportunity to respond

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to the public after thes consent agenda is addressed.

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I have blue cards in front of me

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and we'll start out with Mike.

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Ey, is he still online? No. All right.

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Mike Ey is not online.

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David Dapper, step up to the microphone

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and restate your name.

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You have three minutes sir.

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Hi. Hello.

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You hear me? Okay. Hi David.

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Dapper City resident with a

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homeless thing moving to Parker's place.

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Bernie's doing a job of managing inside Parker's Place,

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but it's our job as a city

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to manage the surrounding community.

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And I noticed Riverside West

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and Parker's place are having a big problem

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with the car campers

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and the junkies going down there during,

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during the day to do their drugs.

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And we have car campers unloading their whole

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car over multiple parking spaces

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and the site, the walkways.

525
00:26:12,275 --> 00:26:13,655
And we need this to stop.

526
00:26:13,715 --> 00:26:17,775
And when we call this in, we need it taken serious.

527
00:26:19,955 --> 00:26:22,695
Not not to be argued with when a,

528
00:26:22,935 --> 00:26:26,255
a couple women are staggering down the street and collapse

529
00:26:26,275 --> 00:26:27,615
or lay down in the middle of the road.

530
00:26:28,645 --> 00:26:30,375
Like the videos I sent you.

531
00:26:30,375 --> 00:26:35,095
All we need that responded to not argued with.

532
00:26:36,845 --> 00:26:41,375
Some of us do call a lot, but there's a reason for that.

533
00:26:42,715 --> 00:26:46,205
And we need, we need to, the two problem areas right now

534
00:26:46,205 --> 00:26:48,045
that I see are tossing.

535
00:26:48,605 --> 00:26:49,965
'cause there's a part you can't get

536
00:26:49,965 --> 00:26:53,085
to from the parking lot without walking down towards the

537
00:26:53,085 --> 00:26:56,365
pedestrian bridge and Riverside West.

538
00:26:57,465 --> 00:26:59,285
And I did see Officer McGinnis

539
00:26:59,285 --> 00:27:01,045
and that new tall officer,

540
00:27:01,645 --> 00:27:04,045
I dunno if he's seven foot tall like McGinness said,

541
00:27:04,045 --> 00:27:08,285
but he's a big guy and that's what will

542
00:27:08,315 --> 00:27:09,805
what We'll see these guys

543
00:27:10,315 --> 00:27:12,365
because the junkies,

544
00:27:12,365 --> 00:27:14,245
they don't go out into the light in front

545
00:27:14,245 --> 00:27:15,565
of everybody to do their stuff.

546
00:27:15,915 --> 00:27:17,245
They're good at hiding

547
00:27:18,585 --> 00:27:22,685
and we really need, we really need

548
00:27:22,945 --> 00:27:25,165
to watch these areas in other areas.

549
00:27:25,425 --> 00:27:28,325
I'm sure Morrison is isn't looking real

550
00:27:28,325 --> 00:27:29,365
wonderful all the time.

551
00:27:31,425 --> 00:27:32,445
I'm glad they removed

552
00:27:32,445 --> 00:27:34,205
that park bench in front of the bottle drop.

553
00:27:34,205 --> 00:27:37,405
That was a, the campground of sorts.

554
00:27:38,145 --> 00:27:40,645
But can we please, please

555
00:27:41,515 --> 00:27:44,685
give a little emphasis on these two parks

556
00:27:44,685 --> 00:27:46,045
and these areas nearby?

557
00:27:46,765 --> 00:27:48,965
'cause we know wherever these services are,

558
00:27:49,905 --> 00:27:51,965
it attracts people that need these services

559
00:27:52,505 --> 00:27:55,245
and it attracts people that abuse these services also.

560
00:27:55,785 --> 00:27:59,485
And we really need to, we need to manage

561
00:27:59,625 --> 00:28:01,685
around the campground. Thank you.

562
00:28:02,335 --> 00:28:06,605
Thank you Patrick Rooney.

563
00:28:08,285 --> 00:28:09,925
I do not see him in the audience.

564
00:28:10,825 --> 00:28:15,725
All right Dave Blakely, come up

565
00:28:15,725 --> 00:28:17,205
to the podium, restate your name

566
00:28:17,205 --> 00:28:18,925
and you have three minutes sir. We

567
00:28:18,925 --> 00:28:20,925
Should go five minutes if it's so empty in here.

568
00:28:22,265 --> 00:28:23,925
All right, Dave Blakely, city resident.

569
00:28:24,145 --> 00:28:27,925
I'm here again to reiterate my concerns about a tactic being

570
00:28:27,925 --> 00:28:31,045
used by Grants Pass Police that consists of closed fist

571
00:28:31,345 --> 00:28:32,645
and elbow strikes to the head.

572
00:28:34,065 --> 00:28:36,645
Now we talked last week about the liabilities associated

573
00:28:36,645 --> 00:28:39,285
with this tactic and I did a Google search yesterday

574
00:28:39,545 --> 00:28:42,045
and Eugene Police and Portland police are currently under

575
00:28:42,045 --> 00:28:45,965
lawsuit for same tactic, traumatic brain injury to the head

576
00:28:45,965 --> 00:28:48,325
because of closed fist and elbows to strikes to the head.

577
00:28:48,905 --> 00:28:50,525
Now we all know that I wore the badge

578
00:28:50,525 --> 00:28:51,605
of law enforcement in the county,

579
00:28:51,625 --> 00:28:53,365
but what you don't know is I was certified

580
00:28:53,365 --> 00:28:54,805
self-defense in director in Las Vegas.

581
00:28:55,495 --> 00:28:56,645
Chief is from Las Vegas.

582
00:28:56,705 --> 00:28:58,245
He should be able to understand this really well.

583
00:28:58,785 --> 00:29:01,885
We taught security officers in the casinos to make sure

584
00:29:01,885 --> 00:29:03,445
that they weren't acting aggressively.

585
00:29:03,745 --> 00:29:05,525
We taught them arm bar takedowns

586
00:29:05,525 --> 00:29:07,245
because they're extremely effective.

587
00:29:07,595 --> 00:29:09,285
Whether you're cooperative, drunk

588
00:29:09,285 --> 00:29:11,205
or resisting, they are effective

589
00:29:12,025 --> 00:29:15,045
and they do not bring the multimillion dollar liability

590
00:29:15,045 --> 00:29:18,045
that comes with the closed fist tactics to the head.

591
00:29:18,245 --> 00:29:20,805
I want it stopped. The community wants it stopped.

592
00:29:21,265 --> 00:29:23,325
I'm gonna again ask council to direct staff

593
00:29:23,865 --> 00:29:26,485
to look into cheaper other tactics

594
00:29:26,485 --> 00:29:28,765
that don't carry the liability that this tactic carries.

595
00:29:29,065 --> 00:29:30,525
I'm gonna ask city manager

596
00:29:30,525 --> 00:29:33,125
and city council, city attorney to come up

597
00:29:33,125 --> 00:29:34,765
with a moratorium on this tactic

598
00:29:34,765 --> 00:29:36,045
until we get this figured out.

599
00:29:37,015 --> 00:29:38,725
Every time an officer goes out,

600
00:29:38,725 --> 00:29:40,805
it's a potential multimillion dollar lawsuit.

601
00:29:41,305 --> 00:29:42,405
You'll be told all kinds

602
00:29:42,405 --> 00:29:44,005
of excuses while we're using this tactic.

603
00:29:44,665 --> 00:29:48,365
But keep in mind the academy does not condone it.

604
00:29:48,715 --> 00:29:49,965
They do not teach it.

605
00:29:50,345 --> 00:29:52,805
And they actually teach the officers the liabilities

606
00:29:52,865 --> 00:29:54,405
of using such a tactic.

607
00:29:55,145 --> 00:29:57,885
So why are we in Grants Pass Oregon using such a tactic

608
00:29:58,225 --> 00:30:00,445
who has fooled the chief of police to believe

609
00:30:00,445 --> 00:30:03,645
that this tactic is better than something like an arm bar

610
00:30:03,645 --> 00:30:04,645
or some other tactic.

611
00:30:04,645 --> 00:30:06,565
I don't care what it is, but there's gotta be something

612
00:30:06,565 --> 00:30:07,645
cheaper than what we're using.

613
00:30:08,105 --> 00:30:10,245
Now I wanna get down to the subject of prayer real quick.

614
00:30:10,825 --> 00:30:13,205
You guys made a big issue last meeting about coming up

615
00:30:13,205 --> 00:30:14,645
with policy to make sure

616
00:30:14,645 --> 00:30:16,285
that we didn't allow somebody in here

617
00:30:16,285 --> 00:30:17,285
that did you didn't want.

618
00:30:17,285 --> 00:30:18,805
Whether it was Satan's cult

619
00:30:18,805 --> 00:30:21,725
or some other religion, bad move folks.

620
00:30:22,145 --> 00:30:23,205
You did it publicly.

621
00:30:23,385 --> 00:30:25,725
You're setting yourself up for a discrimination lawsuit.

622
00:30:26,345 --> 00:30:28,445
You're setting yourself up, you're setting the city up

623
00:30:28,445 --> 00:30:29,445
for a discrimination lawsuit.

624
00:30:29,925 --> 00:30:31,405
'cause you're actively trying to create a policy

625
00:30:31,505 --> 00:30:33,925
to keep people from coming in here that you may not approve

626
00:30:33,925 --> 00:30:36,205
of to give their their little moment of prayer.

627
00:30:37,075 --> 00:30:40,325
Keep it simple folks. We're adults. A moment of silence.

628
00:30:41,685 --> 00:30:44,125
A moment of silence. How hard is that to come up with?

629
00:30:44,785 --> 00:30:46,845
You wanna create policy, you're gonna create a lawsuit.

630
00:30:46,905 --> 00:30:47,925
And then we're gonna go through this

631
00:30:47,925 --> 00:30:49,005
circle around and around.

632
00:30:49,005 --> 00:30:51,205
And again, it's gotta stop. You're our leaders.

633
00:30:51,225 --> 00:30:53,805
You're here to listen to us and I expect you to listen.

634
00:30:54,175 --> 00:30:55,205
Thank you for your time.

635
00:30:56,015 --> 00:30:59,565
Thank you. Alright, that concludes the portion

636
00:30:59,705 --> 00:31:01,965
of this evening for general public comment.

637
00:31:02,205 --> 00:31:03,605
I thank you for your participation.

638
00:31:05,355 --> 00:31:08,205
Next on the agenda is Thes consent agenda

639
00:31:08,345 --> 00:31:09,565
if we can get that listed up.

640
00:31:09,825 --> 00:31:13,605
And I would look for volunteer counselor

641
00:31:13,825 --> 00:31:15,965
to read off our consent agenda tonight.

642
00:31:16,445 --> 00:31:17,445
Victoria. Thank you.

643
00:31:18,635 --> 00:31:19,645
I'll give it a whirl.

644
00:31:20,835 --> 00:31:24,005
Okay, I moved.

645
00:31:26,395 --> 00:31:29,885
Consent agenda items included are of such routine nature

646
00:31:30,265 --> 00:31:33,845
or without controversy so that they may be approved

647
00:31:33,845 --> 00:31:38,525
with a single action and there are no starred items.

648
00:31:38,825 --> 00:31:42,125
So item A resolution authorizing the city manager

649
00:31:42,225 --> 00:31:45,285
to enter into an agreement with controlled system northwest

650
00:31:45,385 --> 00:31:49,525
for redwood lift station B resolution

651
00:31:50,245 --> 00:31:51,485
authorizing the city manager

652
00:31:51,625 --> 00:31:54,565
to enter into a five year contract for service

653
00:31:54,755 --> 00:31:57,365
with Rogue Valley Council of Governments

654
00:31:57,425 --> 00:32:00,765
for total maximum daily load storm water permit

655
00:32:01,065 --> 00:32:04,685
implementation and compliance C resolution,

656
00:32:05,165 --> 00:32:08,125
authorizing the city manager to enter into a sole source

657
00:32:08,725 --> 00:32:13,045
construction contract with WMS aquatics

658
00:32:13,105 --> 00:32:15,845
for the caveman pool renovations.

659
00:32:15,875 --> 00:32:20,645
Project number LB 63 90 3D resolution

660
00:32:21,125 --> 00:32:25,245
authorizing the purchase of five Stryker Life Pack 35

661
00:32:25,315 --> 00:32:29,165
monitor defibrillators for grants pass Fire

662
00:32:29,345 --> 00:32:32,765
and Rescue e Motion approving the minutes

663
00:32:33,065 --> 00:32:34,405
of the city council meeting

664
00:32:34,465 --> 00:32:38,805
of August 19th, 2026 F Motion.

665
00:32:39,075 --> 00:32:40,485
Acknowledging the minutes

666
00:32:40,545 --> 00:32:42,845
of the Urban Tree Advisory Committee meeting

667
00:32:43,065 --> 00:32:46,725
of July 13th, 2026 G Motion.

668
00:32:47,515 --> 00:32:48,885
Acknowledging the minutes

669
00:32:49,505 --> 00:32:53,405
of the Parks Advisory Committee meeting July 9th, 2026

670
00:32:54,365 --> 00:32:57,005
H Motion, acknowledging the minutes

671
00:32:57,065 --> 00:33:01,965
of the small Business Task force meeting of July 22nd, 2026.

672
00:33:02,485 --> 00:33:06,165
I motion acknowledging the minutes of the Bikeways

673
00:33:06,165 --> 00:33:10,365
and Walkways committee meeting of July 14th, 2026.

674
00:33:10,945 --> 00:33:13,405
Jay Motion acknowledging the minutes

675
00:33:13,585 --> 00:33:16,445
of the Urban Area Planning Commission meeting

676
00:33:16,625 --> 00:33:19,805
of July 8th, 2026 K.

677
00:33:20,065 --> 00:33:22,485
Motion. Acknowledging the minutes

678
00:33:22,825 --> 00:33:25,365
of the Committee on public art meeting

679
00:33:25,625 --> 00:33:28,165
of July 14th, 2026.

680
00:33:30,985 --> 00:33:34,125
And I move to approve the consent agenda.

681
00:33:34,335 --> 00:33:37,005
Thank you with a second from Eric. Thank you very much.

682
00:33:37,145 --> 00:33:39,245
Any further discussion? All right.

683
00:33:39,245 --> 00:33:42,765
Seeing none, Victoria, how do you vote? Yes, Kathleen. Yes.

684
00:33:43,015 --> 00:33:47,165
Indra? Yes. Rick? Yes. Eric? Yes. Rob? Yes. All right.

685
00:33:47,165 --> 00:33:50,325
Case consent agenda for council meeting.

686
00:33:50,805 --> 00:33:52,285
September 2nd has been approved.

687
00:33:53,905 --> 00:33:56,045
Now we move on to matters for mayor council.

688
00:33:56,405 --> 00:33:59,245
I bring it back to the diocese for any counselors have

689
00:34:00,005 --> 00:34:02,365
anything to add to tonight's proceedings?

690
00:34:03,105 --> 00:34:04,105
Rob?

691
00:34:04,555 --> 00:34:05,605
Yeah, I've got a few things.

692
00:34:06,455 --> 00:34:08,405
First I have a question for Brad.

693
00:34:08,905 --> 00:34:12,325
So earlier tonight we tabled

694
00:34:12,325 --> 00:34:16,605
or postponed the discussion on the, the development

695
00:34:16,815 --> 00:34:19,325
until September 16th, right?

696
00:34:19,905 --> 00:34:24,245
So that in our packet, I mean there were so many,

697
00:34:24,905 --> 00:34:28,005
you know, major changes from, from what was brought

698
00:34:28,005 --> 00:34:29,045
before the UAPC.

699
00:34:31,405 --> 00:34:34,005
I don't understand why that wouldn't go back to the UAPC

700
00:34:34,225 --> 00:34:37,485
for them to review the myriad changes that are in there

701
00:34:37,865 --> 00:34:39,165
before it comes back to council.

702
00:34:39,405 --> 00:34:41,445
'cause it seems like it much of that goes way

703
00:34:41,445 --> 00:34:43,005
beyond council's level of expertise.

704
00:34:43,905 --> 00:34:45,725
So why doesn't this go back to UAPC

705
00:34:45,725 --> 00:34:47,485
and then come to council? Yeah,

706
00:34:48,125 --> 00:34:51,245
I guess if I could just check with the city attorney

707
00:34:51,245 --> 00:34:53,365
because we're, we're talking about an item

708
00:34:53,435 --> 00:34:55,205
that is technically open

709
00:34:56,585 --> 00:35:01,165
and we haven't invited the applicant to be here

710
00:35:01,165 --> 00:35:03,205
because they were informed that it was gonna be continued.

711
00:35:03,325 --> 00:35:04,405
I mean, I'm happy to answer the question.

712
00:35:04,525 --> 00:35:05,885
I just, I just want to make sure that

713
00:35:06,575 --> 00:35:08,565
we're not causing any issues this,

714
00:35:08,565 --> 00:35:09,765
this discussion's on the record.

715
00:35:10,425 --> 00:35:12,045
So maybe that's okay. But

716
00:35:12,405 --> 00:35:13,885
I think Rob's question is more about

717
00:35:13,885 --> 00:35:15,005
procedure. Procedure,

718
00:35:15,955 --> 00:35:16,955
Okay.

719
00:35:16,955 --> 00:35:18,565
Yeah. So I, I don't think he wants to discuss the, the,

720
00:35:18,925 --> 00:35:20,605
I mean he can correct me, but it sounded like more like

721
00:35:20,925 --> 00:35:23,885
procedurally, wouldn't you go back to the UAPC if that's

722
00:35:23,955 --> 00:35:24,955
Yeah, Exactly.

723
00:35:24,955 --> 00:35:26,045
There's so many. Yeah.

724
00:35:26,145 --> 00:35:28,005
You know, you know, I read 70 pages

725
00:35:28,025 --> 00:35:30,925
and there's a minimum of, I dunno, a dozen different

726
00:35:32,645 --> 00:35:34,365
changes that are gonna be made.

727
00:35:34,435 --> 00:35:38,445
Like that goes beyond what council's area of expertise is.

728
00:35:38,445 --> 00:35:39,885
Why wouldn't it go back to a PC?

729
00:35:40,915 --> 00:35:43,605
Yeah, well there's two things.

730
00:35:43,905 --> 00:35:45,645
One is the, the way

731
00:35:45,715 --> 00:35:48,405
that the development code is currently written,

732
00:35:49,465 --> 00:35:52,565
it talks about, in the appeals section it talks about a

733
00:35:53,145 --> 00:35:58,125
de novo hearing, which is essentially starting

734
00:35:58,915 --> 00:36:01,045
from scratch or you know, new.

735
00:36:02,425 --> 00:36:05,765
And so from our staff, look at it,

736
00:36:06,335 --> 00:36:09,365
there wasn't any provision that would say if somebody wants

737
00:36:09,365 --> 00:36:13,325
to bring some changes since it's a de novo appeal,

738
00:36:13,355 --> 00:36:14,885
they can bring those changes.

739
00:36:15,725 --> 00:36:18,165
They can present those changes, they can talk about them

740
00:36:18,715 --> 00:36:20,445
without going back.

741
00:36:21,985 --> 00:36:23,765
Now there is another provision that says

742
00:36:23,765 --> 00:36:26,525
that the council could limit that

743
00:36:26,625 --> 00:36:29,565
and say, no, you can't talk about anything you want.

744
00:36:29,665 --> 00:36:31,645
You can only talk about the two things that,

745
00:36:32,105 --> 00:36:36,005
or three things that the planning commission denied it on.

746
00:36:38,145 --> 00:36:40,765
What's, what's odd is that our code doesn't allow you

747
00:36:40,765 --> 00:36:42,645
to make that decision until you actually

748
00:36:42,645 --> 00:36:43,765
have it in front of you.

749
00:36:45,305 --> 00:36:48,165
So that doesn't really help anybody because the staff

750
00:36:48,165 --> 00:36:50,365
and the applicant can't really prepare for that hearing.

751
00:36:50,785 --> 00:36:54,885
So we, we feel like our hands are a little bit tied on this

752
00:36:54,885 --> 00:36:57,845
one and, and in and prior ones as well with the way,

753
00:36:57,845 --> 00:37:01,005
because of that language, the way it's worded now, we,

754
00:37:02,345 --> 00:37:05,365
we have had very open communications with the applicant and,

755
00:37:05,385 --> 00:37:08,205
and I think that on the 16th it, it should go smoother

756
00:37:09,665 --> 00:37:13,725
and we can maybe trim down your, you know, the, the packets

757
00:37:13,725 --> 00:37:16,045
so that to hearing your concern about all

758
00:37:16,045 --> 00:37:18,045
of this technical information that's coming before you.

759
00:37:20,485 --> 00:37:23,185
But I think that's the reason why you had it, is

760
00:37:23,185 --> 00:37:27,425
because there really is nothing that, that,

761
00:37:27,425 --> 00:37:31,265
that the city has that can deny the applicant

762
00:37:31,325 --> 00:37:34,185
to file an appeal if that's the route they choose to go.

763
00:37:35,375 --> 00:37:40,025
Okay. I, I just, I guess I thought that an appeal was the

764
00:37:40,935 --> 00:37:43,585
aspects that the UAPC denied them on,

765
00:37:44,005 --> 00:37:47,385
but they've changed other things beyond what was denied.

766
00:37:48,365 --> 00:37:50,585
In other words, it's a significantly different project

767
00:37:51,405 --> 00:37:54,185
beyond the things that were, they were denied on.

768
00:37:54,405 --> 00:37:56,385
That's, that's my, I guess that's my question.

769
00:37:56,695 --> 00:37:58,465
It's not just the things they were denied on

770
00:37:58,465 --> 00:38:00,625
that were changed, it's now a different project

771
00:38:02,245 --> 00:38:06,345
and UAPC hasn't seen those aspects yet.

772
00:38:07,685 --> 00:38:09,665
So who is it that makes the decision

773
00:38:10,175 --> 00:38:13,145
that those things were are, you know, basically

774
00:38:14,645 --> 00:38:15,785
up to code so to speak.

775
00:38:16,075 --> 00:38:19,065
Right, right. No, and you're spot on counselor.

776
00:38:19,065 --> 00:38:22,425
There is, there is some subjectivity in the determination

777
00:38:22,425 --> 00:38:24,745
about what's considered a major change

778
00:38:24,845 --> 00:38:28,305
and a minor change when somebody comes forth with a,

779
00:38:28,305 --> 00:38:29,345
you know, with an application.

780
00:38:29,385 --> 00:38:30,705
I mean, they got the same number of units,

781
00:38:31,215 --> 00:38:34,065
they've got the same basic layout, you know,

782
00:38:34,135 --> 00:38:35,885
they have a few changes to parking,

783
00:38:36,265 --> 00:38:40,885
but, you know, so yes, that is, that is my call in terms

784
00:38:40,885 --> 00:38:43,445
of a director's call on what's, what's major

785
00:38:43,465 --> 00:38:45,605
and minor in terms of an application change.

786
00:38:45,905 --> 00:38:48,085
But but didn't, didn't they change from a private

787
00:38:48,085 --> 00:38:49,125
street to a public street?

788
00:38:49,915 --> 00:38:51,405
Correct. Well That's huge,

789
00:38:53,585 --> 00:38:55,805
But that's, that's kind of parsing into the actual

790
00:38:55,805 --> 00:38:56,925
discussion of the, of that.

791
00:38:57,225 --> 00:38:58,405
So we want to stay away from that.

792
00:38:58,725 --> 00:39:01,765
I think what, just to clarify

793
00:39:03,915 --> 00:39:07,285
what you're saying, Brad, is our code doesn't allow us

794
00:39:07,285 --> 00:39:09,325
to basically stop the proceedings.

795
00:39:09,755 --> 00:39:12,205
We'd still have to go through a council hearing,

796
00:39:13,015 --> 00:39:16,125
which should, the council should be just determining

797
00:39:16,145 --> 00:39:17,565
and weighing the two items

798
00:39:17,985 --> 00:39:21,245
or the number of items that the UAPC has denied,

799
00:39:21,315 --> 00:39:22,885
only not the overall project.

800
00:39:22,885 --> 00:39:23,885
Correct.

801
00:39:24,655 --> 00:39:25,925
Right, right.

802
00:39:26,145 --> 00:39:29,405
And, and that all hinges on this determination

803
00:39:29,405 --> 00:39:30,805
of a de novo hearing,

804
00:39:31,495 --> 00:39:33,765
which gives an applicant the opportunity

805
00:39:33,825 --> 00:39:38,765
to bring forward some changes in an appeal without

806
00:39:39,525 --> 00:39:41,685
starting over because that does involve a lot

807
00:39:41,685 --> 00:39:42,885
of time and involves a lot of money.

808
00:39:42,905 --> 00:39:45,925
And an appeal is the faster route

809
00:39:46,225 --> 00:39:48,325
and the state has required the city

810
00:39:48,345 --> 00:39:51,445
to process applications within 120 days.

811
00:39:52,585 --> 00:39:54,045
We don't have any control over that.

812
00:39:54,425 --> 00:39:58,965
And you can't get to 120 day decision by going back

813
00:39:58,965 --> 00:40:00,205
and forth and back and forth.

814
00:40:00,945 --> 00:40:03,485
You have to really just kind of follow through on one stream

815
00:40:03,545 --> 00:40:06,845
and that that includes the appeal. So

816
00:40:07,785 --> 00:40:08,785
Do you still have questions?

817
00:40:08,785 --> 00:40:10,885
Yeah, yeah. I mean I understand that includes the appeal

818
00:40:11,505 --> 00:40:13,525
and you say it, you know it,

819
00:40:13,785 --> 00:40:16,805
but when you say you have to follow through within 120 days,

820
00:40:17,235 --> 00:40:19,245
they've changed their application midstream.

821
00:40:19,945 --> 00:40:21,565
So, you know, I I have no,

822
00:40:22,165 --> 00:40:23,725
I have no idea where this is gonna go.

823
00:40:23,825 --> 00:40:25,605
And I would imagine that, you know,

824
00:40:25,605 --> 00:40:27,885
people wanna work this out to make it all work out,

825
00:40:27,945 --> 00:40:29,765
but they've changed their application.

826
00:40:30,155 --> 00:40:32,485
It's not the same application that we were required

827
00:40:32,905 --> 00:40:34,525
to process it within 120 days.

828
00:40:34,675 --> 00:40:37,205
They've changed it. So that, that's my point.

829
00:40:37,625 --> 00:40:38,885
It your maybe your call,

830
00:40:38,945 --> 00:40:42,045
but it's not the same application that they put in

831
00:40:42,045 --> 00:40:44,125
and expect it to have finished in 120 days.

832
00:40:44,125 --> 00:40:45,925
They changed their application significantly.

833
00:40:46,665 --> 00:40:48,845
So that's my point. I guess that's my question.

834
00:40:51,355 --> 00:40:53,605
Alright, so I have a couple other things too. Okay.

835
00:40:53,615 --> 00:40:57,645
Since we are now crystal clear on that one.

836
00:40:57,655 --> 00:40:58,765
Let's see, we'll try another one.

837
00:41:00,945 --> 00:41:04,525
So the compensation study that we got a memo on Monday.

838
00:41:05,405 --> 00:41:08,245
I hope all counselors had an opportunity to look at that.

839
00:41:09,145 --> 00:41:12,205
And there's a bunch of questions I have on it

840
00:41:12,665 --> 00:41:13,925
and I'm just wondering,

841
00:41:16,935 --> 00:41:18,605
maybe I could bring those up to

842
00:41:21,225 --> 00:41:23,205
at the agenda setting meeting tomorrow, whatever.

843
00:41:23,225 --> 00:41:27,845
But there's, there's, there's, there's things that I,

844
00:41:27,965 --> 00:41:30,285
I definitely have questions on with regards to that memo

845
00:41:30,905 --> 00:41:33,325
and, and they're, they're somewhat detailed,

846
00:41:33,525 --> 00:41:34,565
although they wouldn't take a long time.

847
00:41:34,945 --> 00:41:37,365
So what, what's the best way to, and

848
00:41:37,385 --> 00:41:39,845
and maybe other counselors have, have spotted things there

849
00:41:39,845 --> 00:41:41,365
that they have questions on as well.

850
00:41:41,485 --> 00:41:44,325
I, I don't know, but what's the best way to bring that up?

851
00:41:44,555 --> 00:41:45,645
Yeah, thanks for the question.

852
00:41:46,065 --> 00:41:47,565
So we sent that forward to you

853
00:41:47,565 --> 00:41:49,205
because I got that from a logic

854
00:41:49,505 --> 00:41:53,325
and I wanna make sure that logic's moving forward is in

855
00:41:53,325 --> 00:41:54,965
alignment with council's expectations.

856
00:41:55,465 --> 00:41:58,965
So if you have specific questions, I I may be able

857
00:41:58,965 --> 00:42:01,365
to answer those in, in the meeting tomorrow or,

858
00:42:01,425 --> 00:42:02,845
but if you do have specific questions,

859
00:42:03,045 --> 00:42:05,085
I would gather those forward those to logic,

860
00:42:05,825 --> 00:42:08,005
get those answers and provide them back to council.

861
00:42:09,585 --> 00:42:12,485
And, and if it's, it's such that you need them

862
00:42:13,615 --> 00:42:15,925
again on online, we could do that also.

863
00:42:16,185 --> 00:42:19,125
So I'd first start by question submittal

864
00:42:19,125 --> 00:42:20,485
or talking to me, give me a call,

865
00:42:20,705 --> 00:42:21,845
let me know what your questions are.

866
00:42:22,235 --> 00:42:23,325
I'll forward those on

867
00:42:23,325 --> 00:42:24,965
and get the responses and give 'em to all counsel.

868
00:42:25,665 --> 00:42:26,805
So, okay.

869
00:42:26,805 --> 00:42:28,485
So do you want me to call you

870
00:42:28,485 --> 00:42:29,885
or do you want me to just, you wanna discuss

871
00:42:29,885 --> 00:42:31,445
that in person tomorrow or how do you wanna do that?

872
00:42:31,765 --> 00:42:32,765
Whatever's most convenient to you

873
00:42:33,905 --> 00:42:35,845
Can discuss, Let's parse it out in

874
00:42:35,845 --> 00:42:36,885
the conversation tomorrow.

875
00:42:37,025 --> 00:42:39,045
And if we feel that it needs to go more in depth,

876
00:42:39,045 --> 00:42:40,485
then we can go more in depth. Okay.

877
00:42:41,025 --> 00:42:42,605
And then, but Then any discussion

878
00:42:42,605 --> 00:42:45,005
that happens in the agenda setting in regards to that,

879
00:42:45,005 --> 00:42:46,525
we'll be distributed to all counselors.

880
00:42:46,795 --> 00:42:49,125
Sure, yes. Yeah, there's not a lot,

881
00:42:49,925 --> 00:42:51,045
I don't think there's a lot of depth.

882
00:42:51,195 --> 00:42:52,445
Well, there may be. We'll see.

883
00:42:54,025 --> 00:42:58,005
And then the, the third thing I wanted to discuss, I gotta,

884
00:42:58,545 --> 00:43:02,845
so I got a question initially for Chief Hensman.

885
00:43:03,185 --> 00:43:07,165
So we had, we were looking for six public safety,

886
00:43:08,045 --> 00:43:09,765
I should say six police positions.

887
00:43:10,425 --> 00:43:14,045
And you know, you've updated us many times about

888
00:43:14,065 --> 00:43:17,165
how difficult it is to recruit police and so forth.

889
00:43:18,365 --> 00:43:20,725
I believe one of the six positions was for CSO.

890
00:43:21,105 --> 00:43:23,445
And I would imagine that that position is a lot easier

891
00:43:23,465 --> 00:43:25,285
to fill than it is for a police officer.

892
00:43:25,745 --> 00:43:28,645
Has that position been filled? The one CSO?

893
00:43:28,745 --> 00:43:30,965
Yes, sir. That was fairly easy to fill

894
00:43:30,965 --> 00:43:33,725
and it's been filled with a terrific person. Okay,

895
00:43:34,505 --> 00:43:38,765
So is that CSO is part

896
00:43:38,765 --> 00:43:40,965
of their route gonna be downtown at all?

897
00:43:41,025 --> 00:43:44,325
We used to have, you know, two CSOs downtown at least.

898
00:43:45,715 --> 00:43:48,725
What, what's, and right now we've got, like today

899
00:43:48,745 --> 00:43:50,085
for instance in the rain,

900
00:43:50,645 --> 00:43:51,965
probably had a dozen people in the,

901
00:43:52,505 --> 00:43:54,685
the G Street Plaza trying to stay dry.

902
00:43:55,045 --> 00:43:58,845
A dozen people that I would call, they had a lot of stuff

903
00:43:58,845 --> 00:43:59,845
with them and they appeared

904
00:43:59,845 --> 00:44:01,565
to be loitering, et cetera, et cetera.

905
00:44:03,035 --> 00:44:06,845
What kind of general patrol do we have downtown?

906
00:44:07,145 --> 00:44:08,965
Is that CSO or some other CSO?

907
00:44:09,225 --> 00:44:10,725
Is that their responsibility? Now we,

908
00:44:10,865 --> 00:44:13,365
You counsel, we have a variety of patrol.

909
00:44:13,425 --> 00:44:18,085
As a reminder, when you look at the CSOs, the CSOs used

910
00:44:18,085 --> 00:44:19,245
to do parking enforcement.

911
00:44:19,245 --> 00:44:21,045
That's why you had CSOs downtown

912
00:44:21,065 --> 00:44:24,005
and counsel chose to go to a parking enforcement officer

913
00:44:24,705 --> 00:44:27,325
who is downtown on the regular doing parking

914
00:44:27,395 --> 00:44:28,485
enforcement duties.

915
00:44:29,315 --> 00:44:31,045
Yeah, that happened a couple of years ago.

916
00:44:32,275 --> 00:44:37,085
Also though the CSOs are very busy doing all those things

917
00:44:37,085 --> 00:44:40,085
that police officers typically can't get around

918
00:44:40,085 --> 00:44:42,005
to traffic accidents, et cetera.

919
00:44:42,865 --> 00:44:44,725
So they're very involved in the day to day

920
00:44:45,265 --> 00:44:47,085
and they're incredibly busy.

921
00:44:48,715 --> 00:44:52,805
Also too, our patrol officers are out

922
00:44:52,805 --> 00:44:56,405
and about when they can being proactive, not just

923
00:44:56,405 --> 00:44:58,845
during the day, but definitely during the wee hours

924
00:44:58,845 --> 00:45:01,805
of the morning doing what we call the CBD enforcement.

925
00:45:02,585 --> 00:45:04,365
And the reality of it counselor

926
00:45:04,365 --> 00:45:05,485
and community is

927
00:45:05,485 --> 00:45:08,085
that we're busy running call to call to call.

928
00:45:08,925 --> 00:45:11,725
Well, it's probably not fair to say call to call to call,

929
00:45:11,725 --> 00:45:13,765
but we're busy running a lot of calls.

930
00:45:15,775 --> 00:45:18,885
Again, my request to community is if you see something,

931
00:45:18,985 --> 00:45:20,085
say something and call us.

932
00:45:21,145 --> 00:45:22,485
We can't be everywhere at one time.

933
00:45:22,485 --> 00:45:24,485
There's about 11 square miles here in the city

934
00:45:24,505 --> 00:45:26,765
and typically only about six cops on duty.

935
00:45:27,185 --> 00:45:28,885
So we're running around all over the place.

936
00:45:29,105 --> 00:45:33,285
To answer your question, also to Councilor Pell, the CSOs

937
00:45:34,185 --> 00:45:36,605
are complimented by the cadets.

938
00:45:37,905 --> 00:45:41,485
We have hired some really, fingers crossed great people

939
00:45:41,505 --> 00:45:42,685
to fill these cadet roles

940
00:45:43,265 --> 00:45:46,485
and I expect to get them trained up fairly quickly

941
00:45:46,625 --> 00:45:48,885
and get them on foot downtown as well.

942
00:45:49,305 --> 00:45:52,765
So they will provide that additional support downtown

943
00:45:52,765 --> 00:45:54,085
and that additional eyes and ears.

944
00:45:54,745 --> 00:45:57,805
And then also, I, I shared this in an email today

945
00:45:58,065 --> 00:45:59,685
and thank you all very much for

946
00:46:00,445 --> 00:46:03,445
enacting the exclusion ordinance downtown.

947
00:46:03,895 --> 00:46:07,085
We've actually hit 14 people we've excluded from downtown.

948
00:46:07,185 --> 00:46:11,005
So I think that's working as well coupled

949
00:46:11,005 --> 00:46:12,085
with everything else that we're doing.

950
00:46:12,145 --> 00:46:13,525
So hopefully that answered your question.

951
00:46:14,585 --> 00:46:18,285
It does and it also touches on the, kind of the follow up,

952
00:46:18,785 --> 00:46:21,925
you know, I you, as you probably remember, there's,

953
00:46:22,795 --> 00:46:25,005
I've emailed you a few times over the last few years,

954
00:46:25,035 --> 00:46:28,245
I've sent you photographs a couple times of

955
00:46:29,635 --> 00:46:31,045
parking issues downtown.

956
00:46:31,045 --> 00:46:34,045
Sometimes the car parked illegally for five continuous days,

957
00:46:34,455 --> 00:46:35,485
which to me indicated

958
00:46:35,485 --> 00:46:37,245
that our parking enforcement was seriously lacking.

959
00:46:37,785 --> 00:46:39,725
And I basically haven't really

960
00:46:41,365 --> 00:46:43,005
demanded more from you

961
00:46:43,005 --> 00:46:46,845
or the department knowing that we were kind of overloaded

962
00:46:46,875 --> 00:46:48,205
with our homeless issues.

963
00:46:48,945 --> 00:46:50,285
But the bottom line is,

964
00:46:50,505 --> 00:46:53,565
and then we had our, our construction project downtown.

965
00:46:53,945 --> 00:46:57,525
And I again, did not, I wasn't constantly

966
00:46:58,755 --> 00:47:00,885
reminding you of what the opinion

967
00:47:00,945 --> 00:47:03,845
of most downtown business owners are on the effectiveness

968
00:47:03,865 --> 00:47:05,125
of our parking enforcement.

969
00:47:05,625 --> 00:47:08,885
But I would like to get together some time possibly with you

970
00:47:08,885 --> 00:47:11,005
and Aaron at the same time, because there's also some data

971
00:47:11,435 --> 00:47:12,685
that would also indicate

972
00:47:12,755 --> 00:47:15,645
that our parking enforcement is sorely lacking

973
00:47:15,645 --> 00:47:16,845
over what it was a few years ago.

974
00:47:16,845 --> 00:47:19,125
And that's the usage of our paid spots.

975
00:47:19,655 --> 00:47:22,285
Those are empty and there's no reason for people

976
00:47:22,285 --> 00:47:25,525
to pay anymore for the paid spots

977
00:47:25,525 --> 00:47:30,045
because the risk of of parking an illegal spot is so low.

978
00:47:30,845 --> 00:47:32,605
I, I, I get what you're saying, counselor,

979
00:47:32,605 --> 00:47:37,365
but I also as a reminder, as an all hands on deck department

980
00:47:37,365 --> 00:47:38,525
with limited resources,

981
00:47:38,705 --> 00:47:41,125
we utilize our parking enforcement officer

982
00:47:41,305 --> 00:47:42,405
to clear out the camps.

983
00:47:42,655 --> 00:47:44,325
We've had camps over here for years

984
00:47:44,785 --> 00:47:46,685
and we've been utilizing them for a lot of things.

985
00:47:47,705 --> 00:47:49,685
I'd be happy to set up a ride along with anybody

986
00:47:49,865 --> 00:47:52,525
to go downtown with our bargaining enforcement officer

987
00:47:52,585 --> 00:47:54,845
and see what he does on the regular.

988
00:47:56,105 --> 00:47:57,405
But the reality too is

989
00:47:57,405 --> 00:48:00,565
that our park parking enforcement recently got a promotion

990
00:48:00,565 --> 00:48:01,765
to a community service officer.

991
00:48:02,305 --> 00:48:06,805
So the duties have been collateral duties to other people.

992
00:48:07,585 --> 00:48:10,005
And it's certainly not to minimize the role

993
00:48:10,005 --> 00:48:11,405
of anybody in the organization,

994
00:48:11,505 --> 00:48:14,445
but the reality is parking enforcement is a much lower

995
00:48:14,845 --> 00:48:16,205
priority when it comes to everything else

996
00:48:16,205 --> 00:48:17,645
that we have to do in the organization.

997
00:48:18,225 --> 00:48:21,645
The good news, I just hired an outstanding person

998
00:48:21,865 --> 00:48:25,165
for the parking enforcement position who I think will be

999
00:48:25,925 --> 00:48:27,605
a wonderful addition to the community.

1000
00:48:27,605 --> 00:48:30,565
And I think she's going to fit in really well

1001
00:48:30,595 --> 00:48:32,285
with not just our organization,

1002
00:48:32,385 --> 00:48:35,685
but also the downtown merchants and downtown community.

1003
00:48:35,685 --> 00:48:39,565
So I'm excited about this person coming on board.

1004
00:48:40,185 --> 00:48:41,645
And this person also,

1005
00:48:42,035 --> 00:48:45,845
I'll brag a bit about this person has tremendous experience

1006
00:48:46,665 --> 00:48:49,005
who I think will be able to really support

1007
00:48:49,805 --> 00:48:52,725
a more robust enforcement mission in the downtown corridor.

1008
00:48:53,035 --> 00:48:54,605
Okay. Just, and I'm, I'm just wanna

1009
00:48:55,755 --> 00:48:57,805
basically make one more point,

1010
00:48:57,805 --> 00:48:59,005
and I think I might've made it before

1011
00:48:59,415 --> 00:49:02,845
where from a police perspective, I understand

1012
00:49:02,905 --> 00:49:04,845
how parking enforcement would be probably the

1013
00:49:05,795 --> 00:49:10,045
very low on the food chain, so to speak, from the

1014
00:49:11,075 --> 00:49:13,445
perspective of our downtown businesses

1015
00:49:14,025 --> 00:49:14,925
and the

1016
00:49:16,625 --> 00:49:19,405
our and our customers.

1017
00:49:20,115 --> 00:49:22,405
It's much higher on the food chain than you,

1018
00:49:22,435 --> 00:49:24,165
than you really understand, quite frankly.

1019
00:49:24,165 --> 00:49:28,685
Because if you don't have the likelihood of being able

1020
00:49:28,685 --> 00:49:30,485
to get a parking within a block

1021
00:49:30,485 --> 00:49:31,605
or so of where you're gonna go,

1022
00:49:31,985 --> 00:49:33,765
you could very easily go out to the parkway.

1023
00:49:33,945 --> 00:49:36,085
You could very easily shop Amazon.

1024
00:49:36,385 --> 00:49:38,085
You could, there's so many different options.

1025
00:49:38,865 --> 00:49:41,405
So while, like I say from a police perspective,

1026
00:49:41,555 --> 00:49:44,285
it's one thing from an economic development

1027
00:49:44,305 --> 00:49:46,285
and tourism perspective, it's another thing.

1028
00:49:46,395 --> 00:49:48,645
It's more far more important than

1029
00:49:49,605 --> 00:49:51,205
I think you may realize from,

1030
00:49:51,395 --> 00:49:53,205
from the merchant's perspective.

1031
00:49:53,875 --> 00:49:57,205
I've had merchants come to me literally in tears over some

1032
00:49:57,365 --> 00:49:59,565
of these issues and it's like, there's nothing

1033
00:49:59,565 --> 00:50:00,765
that I can do for 'em.

1034
00:50:01,025 --> 00:50:03,085
But I just, I just want to finish with that.

1035
00:50:03,115 --> 00:50:04,365
It's, it's more important

1036
00:50:04,365 --> 00:50:05,445
that I think you're giving it credit.

1037
00:50:05,965 --> 00:50:07,965
I would, if I may just respond,

1038
00:50:08,645 --> 00:50:10,325
I do give it a lot of credit.

1039
00:50:10,645 --> 00:50:15,485
I give everything, we do the same amount of enthusiasm.

1040
00:50:16,805 --> 00:50:20,405
I would also ask that if you have a merchant who's concerned

1041
00:50:20,405 --> 00:50:22,045
or frustrated, please call me.

1042
00:50:22,725 --> 00:50:23,925
I open my door to everybody.

1043
00:50:23,995 --> 00:50:25,765
I've had plenty of meetings of late

1044
00:50:26,265 --> 00:50:29,445
and I'd be more than happy to chat with this person

1045
00:50:30,385 --> 00:50:34,045
so we can engage them appropriately and effectively.

1046
00:50:34,145 --> 00:50:38,245
And if we're missing something, we're big men and women

1047
00:50:38,245 --> 00:50:40,685
and we can take it on the chin and, and we can get out there

1048
00:50:41,025 --> 00:50:42,045
and be more effective.

1049
00:50:42,145 --> 00:50:43,885
It, it really boils down to communication.

1050
00:50:44,405 --> 00:50:46,725
I don't minimize anything that happens in this community.

1051
00:50:47,625 --> 00:50:50,885
I'm finger on the pulse 24 7. I know what's going on.

1052
00:50:50,965 --> 00:50:51,965
I respond to everything

1053
00:50:52,545 --> 00:50:55,365
and you know, I'm happy to have a meeting with you

1054
00:50:55,425 --> 00:50:57,765
and whoever else, but for the

1055
00:50:58,325 --> 00:51:00,085
downtown merchants, gimme a call.

1056
00:51:00,225 --> 00:51:01,325
I'd love to know what's going on

1057
00:51:01,325 --> 00:51:04,165
or what's what your concerns are so we can address that.

1058
00:51:05,335 --> 00:51:10,125
Thank you. That brings it back full

1059
00:51:10,125 --> 00:51:11,405
circle to the conversation

1060
00:51:11,405 --> 00:51:14,365
that I continually have ever since I started serving in

1061
00:51:14,365 --> 00:51:15,885
2017 with the city.

1062
00:51:16,705 --> 00:51:20,205
We need a high rise parking structure downtown. Okay.

1063
00:51:20,525 --> 00:51:21,925
Next Victoria. Yeah.

1064
00:51:24,265 --> 00:51:27,245
Yes. It, it kind of, I guess goes right off of that.

1065
00:51:27,465 --> 00:51:29,165
So I do know that,

1066
00:51:29,585 --> 00:51:31,405
and it speaks to something that someone

1067
00:51:32,065 --> 00:51:33,885
in public comment was speaking about,

1068
00:51:34,345 --> 00:51:37,045
and that is that we do have exclusion zones

1069
00:51:37,185 --> 00:51:40,685
and we have been hearing that there have been people

1070
00:51:40,945 --> 00:51:43,205
who have been cited in the exclusion zone.

1071
00:51:43,345 --> 00:51:46,925
So I, I think that this is probably gonna continue to help.

1072
00:51:47,265 --> 00:51:50,725
And we also just to let the public know do have

1073
00:51:51,545 --> 00:51:52,805
on our agenda,

1074
00:51:54,105 --> 00:51:58,325
or it will be on the agenda soon, expanding ex looking into

1075
00:51:58,325 --> 00:52:01,005
how we can expand exclusion zones.

1076
00:52:02,585 --> 00:52:04,685
So I know

1077
00:52:04,795 --> 00:52:08,245
that the police are working on enforcing

1078
00:52:08,315 --> 00:52:10,805
what counsel has done with the exclusion zones,

1079
00:52:10,805 --> 00:52:13,725
and I just wanted to extend appreciation for that.

1080
00:52:14,705 --> 00:52:17,125
And, and I know

1081
00:52:17,125 --> 00:52:19,885
because I've been, I haven't been in a ride along in a while

1082
00:52:19,945 --> 00:52:22,365
and tonight made me think I'm gonna have to do it again

1083
00:52:22,395 --> 00:52:24,885
because I know that you guys are going from call

1084
00:52:24,945 --> 00:52:26,165
to call to call to call.

1085
00:52:26,785 --> 00:52:31,365
And so I think that with all of these measures

1086
00:52:31,365 --> 00:52:35,805
that council is doing and the continued just push

1087
00:52:35,865 --> 00:52:39,125
and hard work from our police department

1088
00:52:39,125 --> 00:52:40,565
that we're gonna make progress

1089
00:52:41,025 --> 00:52:43,605
and it's not gonna be overnight

1090
00:52:43,705 --> 00:52:46,725
and it's gonna continue to be frustrating.

1091
00:52:46,785 --> 00:52:48,685
But I really appreciate that,

1092
00:52:49,955 --> 00:52:52,325
that Chief Hensman said, please do call.

1093
00:52:52,635 --> 00:52:56,125
They, they don't feel like you're calling too much.

1094
00:52:56,475 --> 00:53:00,765
They, they ask the community to call when you see something

1095
00:53:01,145 --> 00:53:04,085
and that helps them to know where to push the resources.

1096
00:53:05,185 --> 00:53:08,845
So we do have some more things

1097
00:53:09,075 --> 00:53:11,205
that are coming up on the agenda to address that.

1098
00:53:11,545 --> 00:53:14,965
And so I just wanted to thank Chief Hensman

1099
00:53:15,385 --> 00:53:19,445
and let, let, let the public know

1100
00:53:19,595 --> 00:53:21,845
that we are looking to do even more.

1101
00:53:24,335 --> 00:53:27,765
Thank you. Anybody else? Kathleen?

1102
00:53:27,785 --> 00:53:29,085
And then Indra. Kathleen?

1103
00:53:29,715 --> 00:53:32,125
Yeah, I just wanted to say, I think that's great advice

1104
00:53:32,815 --> 00:53:35,605
Chief Hensman that we do a ride along

1105
00:53:35,795 --> 00:53:38,325
that maybe Rob does a ride along with the

1106
00:53:39,005 --> 00:53:41,565
enforcement downtown to see what is going on.

1107
00:53:41,625 --> 00:53:44,005
And I think that's good advice for all of us.

1108
00:53:44,105 --> 00:53:47,845
And I plan on making a, a ride along appointment soon too.

1109
00:53:51,255 --> 00:53:52,605
Indra? Yes.

1110
00:53:52,885 --> 00:53:55,805
I just wanted to say we knew

1111
00:53:56,555 --> 00:53:59,405
when we transitioned the camps there would be some issues

1112
00:53:59,465 --> 00:54:02,485
and there are, and and Chief, I just want you to know,

1113
00:54:02,985 --> 00:54:04,605
you sound very tired tonight.

1114
00:54:05,075 --> 00:54:08,445
Like you're, we're all in this together and,

1115
00:54:08,545 --> 00:54:09,765
and I know you're getting,

1116
00:54:10,025 --> 00:54:12,685
and your officers are getting the brunt of it,

1117
00:54:12,785 --> 00:54:17,405
but we, we need to think outside the box.

1118
00:54:17,405 --> 00:54:21,645
There are cities that are being more successful than we are.

1119
00:54:21,985 --> 00:54:23,645
And so I feel like

1120
00:54:24,545 --> 00:54:27,405
we keep saying it'll get better.

1121
00:54:27,535 --> 00:54:29,925
We're, and I know you're doing all you can,

1122
00:54:30,065 --> 00:54:32,565
but I would really like our us to think

1123
00:54:32,595 --> 00:54:35,685
outside the box on some things maybe we can do to help

1124
00:54:35,685 --> 00:54:39,605
because people are,

1125
00:54:40,015 --> 00:54:41,405
we're all tired of it.

1126
00:54:41,705 --> 00:54:44,085
And, and especially when I saw that video

1127
00:54:44,305 --> 00:54:48,565
of the ring camera, I had an experience where they come

1128
00:54:48,565 --> 00:54:51,125
to your door, it's, it's really scary

1129
00:54:51,425 --> 00:54:55,685
and I don't want someone, you know, to be a victim

1130
00:54:55,825 --> 00:54:57,125
and then we say, wow, we,

1131
00:54:57,345 --> 00:54:59,245
we should have done something more.

1132
00:54:59,545 --> 00:55:03,285
And so I would really like, that's the,

1133
00:55:03,465 --> 00:55:06,605
that's the number one priority, public safety

1134
00:55:06,945 --> 00:55:08,605
and keeping our citizens safe.

1135
00:55:09,025 --> 00:55:12,525
And I would funnel every dime we had into doing that.

1136
00:55:12,525 --> 00:55:15,565
Really. I think that's our number one priority.

1137
00:55:16,065 --> 00:55:17,845
And then I did wanna address Mr

1138
00:55:18,425 --> 00:55:20,805
and thank you Chief for, for all you're doing,

1139
00:55:21,425 --> 00:55:24,165
but I feel like as a council we sit here

1140
00:55:24,185 --> 00:55:28,525
and say things are getting better, we're doing things,

1141
00:55:28,705 --> 00:55:31,725
but to the public, they're not really seeing that.

1142
00:55:32,265 --> 00:55:35,765
And so that's why I say what can we do more

1143
00:55:36,985 --> 00:55:38,685
as a team, Mr.

1144
00:55:38,875 --> 00:55:42,645
Blakely, I just, I am not an expert on law enforcement

1145
00:55:42,785 --> 00:55:44,685
or holds or anything like that,

1146
00:55:44,745 --> 00:55:46,365
but I hear what you're saying and,

1147
00:55:46,465 --> 00:55:50,325
and so I'm gonna commit to educate myself more on that,

1148
00:55:51,715 --> 00:55:56,085
just to have the knowledge and, and go from there.

1149
00:55:56,215 --> 00:55:57,215
Thank you.

1150
00:55:58,785 --> 00:56:00,445
Anyone else? Eric?

1151
00:56:03,245 --> 00:56:06,725
I just want to say thank you

1152
00:56:06,725 --> 00:56:09,085
to the police force Chief Hensman.

1153
00:56:09,885 --> 00:56:11,285
I know that a a lot

1154
00:56:11,285 --> 00:56:14,925
of things have been said here up on the dais just now

1155
00:56:15,825 --> 00:56:19,765
and you know, we, we can go round

1156
00:56:19,765 --> 00:56:24,365
and round talk about tightening up our bootstraps

1157
00:56:24,385 --> 00:56:25,765
or tightening up our belts

1158
00:56:25,785 --> 00:56:30,325
and I mean, When it comes to funding

1159
00:56:31,275 --> 00:56:34,965
this council authorized 12

1160
00:56:35,645 --> 00:56:39,445
FTE six four, the police force, we take it seriously.

1161
00:56:40,185 --> 00:56:43,405
And when it comes to taking the budget away from

1162
00:56:44,065 --> 00:56:48,125
the police department or safety, I do not agree with that.

1163
00:56:48,385 --> 00:56:53,045
So just from my perspective, it's, it's, it's

1164
00:56:53,685 --> 00:56:55,725
a very high on the list of my priorities.

1165
00:56:56,145 --> 00:56:59,165
Not tightening our belts, quote unquote,

1166
00:56:59,265 --> 00:57:03,525
but giving that money where it needs to go.

1167
00:57:03,615 --> 00:57:07,205
Especially now in these circumstances with

1168
00:57:07,945 --> 00:57:10,925
the way everything has happened with, with the transition

1169
00:57:11,225 --> 00:57:13,845
of the temporary resting sites down

1170
00:57:13,865 --> 00:57:17,605
to Parker's place.

1171
00:57:19,145 --> 00:57:23,765
Things are going, things are as,

1172
00:57:23,985 --> 00:57:27,005
as I heard somebody say that, that it's going as expected

1173
00:57:28,065 --> 00:57:29,765
or it is gonna, it's a little bit worse

1174
00:57:31,905 --> 00:57:33,885
for a temporary time period.

1175
00:57:35,005 --> 00:57:36,885
I, I just wanna remind the public this,

1176
00:57:36,885 --> 00:57:39,805
this is all happening because of this.

1177
00:57:40,625 --> 00:57:43,205
The laws that are put in place here in Oregon,

1178
00:57:43,855 --> 00:57:47,965
we've got SB 48, we've got HB 3, 115.

1179
00:57:48,095 --> 00:57:50,405
We've got all of these things that are hindering

1180
00:57:51,145 --> 00:57:54,105
the police force and hindering

1181
00:57:54,975 --> 00:57:56,825
what we can do as a council here.

1182
00:57:57,965 --> 00:58:02,265
So when I hear people talk about bettering the police force

1183
00:58:02,405 --> 00:58:03,865
or they need to do better or,

1184
00:58:04,005 --> 00:58:06,425
or we need to see what other communities are doing.

1185
00:58:06,425 --> 00:58:07,305
Well the fact is

1186
00:58:11,215 --> 00:58:15,965
We are a unique circumstance and it's happening

1187
00:58:15,965 --> 00:58:19,285
because we live in Oregon.

1188
00:58:22,435 --> 00:58:25,295
So I just want, again, I want to thank the police chief,

1189
00:58:25,415 --> 00:58:26,535
I want to thank the police force.

1190
00:58:26,535 --> 00:58:28,655
They're doing a the best job

1191
00:58:28,655 --> 00:58:31,535
that they could possibly be doing right now without being

1192
00:58:32,025 --> 00:58:33,855
criticized by everyone else.

1193
00:58:35,475 --> 00:58:39,175
Now he has said many times, you can call,

1194
00:58:40,245 --> 00:58:42,215
call in and, and, and do all those things.

1195
00:58:42,245 --> 00:58:43,815
They are very busy right now.

1196
00:58:46,715 --> 00:58:49,735
So I, again, I I

1197
00:58:52,615 --> 00:58:53,695
I commend the police force.

1198
00:58:53,825 --> 00:58:54,825
Thank you so much.

1199
00:58:56,705 --> 00:59:01,015
Thank you. Anybody else? Counselors? Okay.

1200
00:59:01,505 --> 00:59:03,895
Staff. Anything from staff tonight?

1201
00:59:04,475 --> 00:59:06,215
No, we're good. We're Good? We're good? Okay.

1202
00:59:06,765 --> 00:59:11,575
With that, that goes through our agenda tonight.

1203
00:59:11,575 --> 00:59:13,455
We do not have an ex executive session

1204
00:59:14,765 --> 00:59:16,095
scheduled or notified.

1205
00:59:16,395 --> 00:59:19,775
So we are at the end of our public meeting tonight.

1206
00:59:19,875 --> 00:59:23,365
And I would look back to counsel for a motion

1207
00:59:23,505 --> 00:59:25,045
to adjourn. Victoria,

1208
00:59:25,525 --> 00:59:26,605
I motion to adjourn.

1209
00:59:27,015 --> 00:59:28,805
Thank you. With a second from Rick

1210
00:59:29,225 --> 00:59:31,725
and everybody that wants to go home, say,

1211
00:59:31,725 --> 00:59:33,085
let's go home, let's go home.

1212
00:59:33,085 --> 00:59:34,605
Let's go home. All right. Thank you very much

1213
00:59:34,605 --> 00:59:36,085
for your participation tonight, audience.

1214
00:59:36,915 --> 00:59:39,445
Woo-hoo. Under an hour that was.