[0:14] Started in tonight's city of Grants pass council meeting
[0:21] for September 2nd,
[0:25] we'll start the proceedings with an invocation.
[0:27] And Kathleen,
[0:30] Yes, I'd like to invite Angela Mayor to the podium
[0:34] to pray us into the meeting tonight.
[0:36] Thank you.
[0:41] This wet and rainy night.
[0:49] Thank you Lord God of wisdom and peace.
[0:54] We ask you to be present with us tonight.
[0:57] Give us the humility to listen before we speak.
[1:01] The wisdom to seek understanding before victory
[1:05] and the courage to serve rather than be served.
[1:09] Help each person in this room to remember
[1:12] that we share one community.
[1:15] Thank you Lord. Thank you Lord.
[1:22] May our words tonight be marked with grace
[1:25] and our leadership by a spirit of service.
[1:28] Amen.
[1:31] Thank you. All right.
[1:32] Please write for raise, rise for the flag salute.
[1:35] Remove your covers if you have them.
[1:40] I flag
[1:43] of the United States of America for which
[1:48] Stands?
[1:49] One nation under
[1:51] God, Indivisible with liberty Justice.
[1:58] Okay, we'll go through a quick roll call.
[2:00] We got Victoria, Kathleen, Indra, Rick, Eric
[2:05] and Rob.
[2:06] We are missing Joel and Seth,
[2:08] but we do have a quorum so we will proceed.
[2:13] Do I have to read this now? Is this our new protocol?
[2:17] Yes, our new. Okay. Very.
[2:23] This city council public meeting is expected
[2:25] to proceed in an efficient and courteous manner and
[2:28] and all participants
[2:29] and attendees are encouraged to act accordingly.
[2:33] Threatening conduct violations of law, signs
[2:36] or placards, outbursts of of applause.
[2:40] Campaigning for public office
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[2:48] before they are asked
[2:49] to leave the council chambers or be removed.
[2:53] Alright, first on the agenda is a public hearing for
[2:59] the Urban Area Planning Commission decision
[3:02] to deny application for Eden Glen PUD Subdivision
[3:06] Street variances at 1907 Fruit Dale Drive.
[3:11] We are not proceeding forward with the hearing
[3:13] because it has been requested to continue this hearing
[3:17] on a later date, which would be September 16th.
[3:20] So the hearing will not proceed this evening.
[3:23] It will proceed on September 16th.
[3:25] Next on the agenda is council action item resolution.
[3:31] Authorizing the city manager to enter into an agreement
[3:33] with control systems northwest for water systems remote
[3:40] S-C-A-D-A upgrades.
[3:43] And I will give it to Jason.
[3:46] That Came up faster than I was expecting.
[3:49] Thank you Mayor. So it is
[3:52] C-D-A-S-C-A-D-A, which is supervisory control
[3:56] and data acquisition.
[3:59] This is a project that's been in the planning stages
[4:01] for quite some time and it's finally ready to be completed.
[4:05] So little sub summary on goals
[4:08] and we're just gonna provide a brief summary of
[4:10] what the work is, which is extensive
[4:13] and it does, it is at the water treatment plant,
[4:16] the new water treatment plant
[4:17] and all of the remote water sites
[4:19] of which there are 23 of them.
[4:22] And it is to ensure continuity of operations
[4:25] with the SCADA system prior
[4:26] to the replacement water treatment plant coming on board.
[4:31] So what is SCADA S SCADA stands for supervisory control
[4:35] and data acquisition.
[4:36] It is a complete system of in sensors, machines, logic,
[4:41] basically software controllers
[4:44] and a human machine interface, basically a computer screen.
[4:49] It is all of those components together
[4:51] and it is crucial to the operations
[4:53] of modern facilities like water and wastewater.
[4:55] Plants and sensors are essentially
[5:00] everything in the field that read something, do something,
[5:06] touch the water in any way.
[5:08] They can be everything from a valve actuator
[5:10] to a complex instrument like a TER that is reading data
[5:14] and bringing data back to the, to the control room
[5:19] PLCs, we use that term a lot in the water
[5:21] and wastewater industry as a programmable logic controller.
[5:25] Think of this like your cell phone.
[5:27] It is an industrial computer
[5:30] and it is the device that connects all of the field sensors
[5:35] to the HMI, which is the human machine interface
[5:38] or basically that computer interface, which allows us to see
[5:41] that data, make decisions on that data and then take action.
[5:49] HMII kind of just covered that,
[5:50] but it is the,
[5:52] the basically the interface for our operators.
[5:54] It's how we interact with the data, store the data
[5:59] and provides that graphical interface
[6:01] between the computers and humans.
[6:04] 'cause most humans don't do computers very well.
[6:06] Like the computer. The computer wants
[6:08] to give you a series of numbers.
[6:11] I can't look at a series of numbers
[6:12] and make a good decision, but I can look at a line
[6:14] that goes up and down and make a much better decision
[6:16] and that's what the HMI does for us.
[6:21] So going back a little bit, in 1999
[6:24] and 2000, our original SCADA system was replaced
[6:28] with the system that's currently in place.
[6:30] Our original system was a proprietary system built
[6:33] by a local resident
[6:36] and was a pretty amazing system for what it was.
[6:39] The new system greatly improved the communication rates,
[6:44] the data collection capabilities of our pump stations
[6:47] and reservoirs and that that really allowed our operators
[6:50] to make much better informed decisions about the water
[6:53] system as a whole, improving water quality
[6:57] and water usage rates.
[6:59] Just as a little bit of an anecdote, when I started here,
[7:01] we were on our old SCADA system
[7:04] and we would turn a pump on in the control room at the water
[7:08] filtration plant and then we would drive up
[7:10] to Madone pump station, which was at the corner
[7:12] of Beacon and Madone.
[7:14] There's a little concrete building, it's a pump station
[7:16] and then we could watch the pump turn on.
[7:19] It took it that long to get the signal from the water plant
[7:22] to the pump station.
[7:23] We could then drive back to the water filtration plant
[7:27] in time to see it enunciate on the screen
[7:29] that it had actually taken that action.
[7:32] The, the system that replaced it, which is the system
[7:34] that is currently in place,
[7:37] is actually providing near real-time data
[7:39] and we talk to all 23 sites collecting multiple words worth
[7:43] of data and we do that all in less than 30 seconds
[7:46] so we can turn a pump on.
[7:47] Then very next scan, we see that
[7:49] that pump turned on and reported back.
[7:51] It's really improved how we operate.
[7:53] However, this equipment is now 26 years old
[7:57] and I don't know about you, but my home computer
[7:59] didn't last 26 years.
[8:01] Most of this equipment is very much at the
[8:03] end of its service life.
[8:05] In 2015, staff worked with Corolla engineers
[8:09] to develop a water and wastewater SCADA system master plan.
[8:13] So both facilities have extensive SCADA equipment.
[8:17] We need to have a plan for moving forward.
[8:19] The plan did recommend a number of projects
[8:21] to bring both water
[8:22] and wastewater SCADA systems up to date
[8:25] with current technologies.
[8:27] The wastewater plant SCADA upgrades happened mostly under
[8:30] the last update, which happened just a few years ago.
[8:33] Water is lagging a little bit behind.
[8:35] We had far more remote sites to deal with
[8:37] and the s scada at the wastewater plant was mostly in the
[8:40] plant so it was easier to take care of.
[8:47] So the program programmable logic controllers,
[8:51] PLCs are really the heart of the system.
[8:52] The PLC again is a compact industrial computer,
[8:56] which takes all of the inputs from the field, connects
[8:59] to some sort of communication interface
[9:02] and then receives that signal back
[9:04] and then takes action in the field.
[9:06] They are designed to operate in very harsh environments
[9:09] that are found in industrial facilities
[9:11] and remote locations, including water
[9:14] and wastewater stations.
[9:16] As you can imagine. And I'm gonna use,
[9:19] let me get my laser planter real quick.
[9:23] This facility right here is actually on top
[9:25] of Reservoir five and it is out there in the rain.
[9:28] The sleet, the shine, the snow, it is in a box
[9:31] and it's enclosed, but as you can imagine,
[9:33] it takes a beating from the elements.
[9:35] And so these computers have to be able to withstand that.
[9:41] So lifecycle definition, A-A-P-L-C, like any piece
[9:45] of hardware, has a lifecycle for the purposes of
[9:51] PLCs, they have what's called active.
[9:53] So that means that
[9:54] that is the manufacturer's go-to flagship.
[9:57] This is what we're producing
[9:58] for the next foreseeable future.
[10:01] And when it moves into active mature, that's when the next,
[10:06] the manufacturer knows that there's something coming down,
[10:08] but we still are making these,
[10:09] we're still supporting them with parts.
[10:11] You'll still be able to buy them off of the shelf
[10:15] and we'll support them when we get towards end of life.
[10:18] The manufacturer is still supporting them,
[10:21] but you're no longer to necessarily buy them off the shelf.
[10:24] They may have some remaining
[10:25] and they'll deplete their inventory
[10:28] and then when you get into discontinued,
[10:31] that's when you can no longer get factory support
[10:34] nor can you get parts.
[10:36] And in fact, all of our equipment
[10:39] PLCs are now in discontinued and have been for four years.
[10:42] So they are well past the prime.
[10:45] The last failure we had, our repair parts came from,
[10:49] believe it or not, eBay,
[10:50] which they're still a pretty thriving market,
[10:52] but there's some used parts out there that can be gotten.
[10:56] So moving to communications, all
[10:57] of those PLCs have to go through a radio.
[11:00] Our current radio communications don't meet current
[11:03] remote site needs.
[11:04] And by that what I mean is
[11:05] that the data speeds are just a little bit too slow.
[11:07] We're transmitting far more data we need to get, even though
[11:10] that 30 seconds is very fast,
[11:12] we need to get a little bit quicker.
[11:14] And then also we're unable to transmit video data,
[11:17] which is becoming more
[11:18] and more needed as we do intrusion detection
[11:21] and try to assure that our water sites are protected.
[11:24] They also lack specific protocols.
[11:27] And what I mean by that is if there were a detection were
[11:29] to, or a, if an intrusion were to occur,
[11:34] we're unable to detect that.
[11:35] It just does not have the tools to diagnostically tell
[11:39] that somebody entered that radio.
[11:42] I don't want anybody to worry. Our radios are very secure.
[11:45] I trust them implicitly.
[11:47] We use what's called a spread spectrum technology.
[11:50] And what that means is that every couple of milliseconds,
[11:53] it's broadcasting on a different frequency over a range
[11:56] of a pretty broad range of frequencies.
[11:59] That means for somebody to be able to intercept
[12:01] and detect that they actually have to know which frequency
[12:05] to be on at any given second.
[12:06] And it's random, but all
[12:09] of the radios know what that random is.
[12:10] So, so it is very secure, but again, a little slow
[12:14] and if it were to get through, somebody was to get through,
[12:18] we would not be able to detect that.
[12:21] So project 6 4 1 5 was created in 2021.
[12:25] As I said, we've been working on this for quite a while
[12:27] with the goal to complete the remote site upgrades prior
[12:30] to the replacement water treatment plant coming online.
[12:33] The goal of this is we don't wanna move all
[12:35] of our old equipment and our old radios over
[12:37] and have to build a radio tower at the new facility.
[12:40] We want to set it up for the new equipment
[12:43] with the new antennas and everything complete
[12:46] before that comes online in May of 2022.
[12:50] Counsel did approve task order three
[12:52] with Control Systems Northwest,
[12:54] which did a detailed inventory of all 23 remote sites
[12:59] and laid out our path forward to today.
[13:06] So task order 17, which this is, will upgrade all
[13:09] of the remote sites over the next, I wanna say about six
[13:12] to eight months per perhaps a little bit longer in
[13:16] preparation for the replacement water treatment plant.
[13:18] Coming online, we are gonna have to work very, very closely
[13:22] with control systems Northwest and staff.
[13:25] Some of the sites we cannot take down for very long.
[13:27] And when we talk about how these work, these are the
[13:31] hardware that makes the pump stations actually function.
[13:35] So we have to plan each one of those upgrades very,
[13:37] very, very carefully.
[13:39] Understand what our process is gonna be to take
[13:41] that offline, put in all the new equipment,
[13:44] get it back online and tested
[13:46] and hopefully work without a disruption
[13:48] to people's water supplies.
[13:52] The task order does include the purchase
[13:54] and installation of all hardware included
[13:57] with 23 remote sites.
[13:59] And that includes their PLCs, their cellular radios,
[14:02] power controls and conditioning and enclosures.
[14:06] It also installs and programs all of the hardware
[14:10] and provides plant staff with updated electrical
[14:13] and control drawings
[14:14] for future troubleshooting and maintenance.
[14:19] Total cost for task orders 17 is $1.646 million.
[14:23] Funds are budgeted and available within Project WA 6 4 15.
[14:28] And authorization today would allow control Systems
[14:31] Northwest make the improvements over the next 12 months.
[14:36] And with that I have some alternatives
[14:38] and I'm glad to answer any questions for you.
[14:41] Thank you Jason. Any questions from counsel? Eric?
[14:47] Thank you Jason for the very detailed presentation.
[14:51] I appreciate I had a question in terms of the,
[14:56] you know, obviously this is a great cost to the city
[14:59] and I know this is, this looks like,
[15:03] or it is very spec specialized equipment.
[15:07] So I guess the, the obvious question is, is there,
[15:11] are there other competitors?
[15:13] Are there other ways of possibly doing it to
[15:18] where we might be able to save a little money?
[15:20] I know the, the answer is probably no,
[15:22] but I wanted to make sure the public understands. Yeah,
[15:25] I mean we evaluate continuously,
[15:27] you know, newer technologies.
[15:30] One of the things that we have tried
[15:31] to do is standardize all of the SC equipment.
[15:34] So where it's the same, we don't want individual pieces
[15:37] of equipment being different amongst them.
[15:39] We believe that what we have presented you
[15:42] with is the lowest cost option.
[15:45] Is there probably another lower cost option out there?
[15:48] Y yes, you're always gonna get somebody to come in
[15:50] and tell you that yes,
[15:52] they can install something, is it better?
[15:54] I can't speak to that. What we have tried to do is,
[15:57] is ensure that what we have installed, Alan Bradley is our,
[16:02] our service provider
[16:04] or the the manufacturer to get a piece of hardware
[16:08] to last 26 years in an environment like that is incredible.
[16:13] What I can tell you is that the wastewater plant
[16:15] that they had originally installed other types of equipment,
[16:18] those equipments have had a much higher failure rate than
[16:21] the Allen Bradley equipment is, which leads
[16:23] to us replacing them far more frequently.
[16:25] So, I mean that's the other thing that we try to weigh.
[16:28] Could we redesign to a much cheaper standard?
[16:32] I think there, the, the short answer to that is probably so,
[16:35] but I don't think in the long run it benefits the water
[16:37] system because the reliability would decrease significantly.
[16:42] But thank you. Yeah, Further questions Rick.
[16:46] Thank you Jason. So I guess all systems require
[16:51] connection to the internet,
[16:53] but is this one also standalone if the internet goes down?
[16:58] So I knew this question was gonna come up.
[17:02] All systems do not require connections to the internet.
[17:05] That's for starters.
[17:08] We do connect systems to the internet for convenience sake.
[17:14] I will say our SCADA systems do connect
[17:18] to the internet, but you or I cannot actually access them
[17:24] because they're just, they're behind multiple firewalls.
[17:28] These radios are actually ethernet radios,
[17:31] so they're like a wifi router.
[17:33] So technically they're on the ethernet
[17:36] but they're, it's called a private network
[17:39] and they are, you can't get access to them.
[17:42] But if the internet or wifi
[17:44] or anything goes down,
[17:46] can we still operate? Are we standalone?
[17:48] Yeah, so that's the other thing.
[17:50] The the, when you send all of those parameters to that PLC,
[17:53] that PLC sits there
[17:55] and run until you give it new parameters to change.
[17:57] As long as everything's, we can be down for quite some time.
[18:01] Our current radio network goes down periodically
[18:03] and everything stays running really good
[18:06] until we have like a more than a day's outage.
[18:08] We don't really have an issue.
[18:09] There's a couple of upsides that have problems,
[18:11] but they're self-contained.
[18:12] So as long as it can read the sensor that it's connected to
[18:15] and take an action and turn a pump on,
[18:17] then it's, it's all good.
[18:19] Okay, thank you.
[18:21] Any further questions Andrew?
[18:24] So is there a reason this wasn't included when we budgeted
[18:28] for the water plant?
[18:30] Like it seems like this goes together so
[18:32] They, they do somewhat go together.
[18:34] This has always been on a separate track
[18:36] because the 23 really remote sites,
[18:40] they're not really related to the treatment plant,
[18:42] but they are Right.
[18:44] It's, it's all part of the overall water system and
[18:47] because it was on a separate track
[18:49] and it's very specialized work, we just did not include that
[18:52] with the current contract.
[18:54] But it, it's a fair question.
[18:55] It could have been lumped in there,
[18:57] it just didn't make sense because they're all working there.
[18:59] These are scattered throughout the, the city, so.
[19:04] Okay. And and you said it started,
[19:07] you started working on it in 2021?
[19:09] Yeah. Putting money into this fund.
[19:11] Where, where exactly did that money come from?
[19:14] From the water revenues.
[19:15] So we've just been putting a little bit aside each year
[19:18] In, so we, when we did the water rate increases,
[19:22] we took this into account that some
[19:25] Of it's been part of the overall capital project.
[19:27] It is already included in our water rates.
[19:30] Absolutely. Okay, thank you. Yep.
[19:34] Excuse me, any further questions
[19:37] Kathleen?
[19:38] Just to follow up on Rick's what he brought up there
[19:41] for a minute, this sounds very highly secure.
[19:43] Yeah. Is that correct?
[19:45] Yes. I mean that is definitely something that we watch.
[19:48] I will say our IT folks
[19:49] and our SCADA integrators are really keyed into csa
[19:54] and I'm gonna get the name wrong,
[19:55] but basically it's who watches hacking on the internet
[19:59] for industrial computing.
[20:01] It is a very serious issue.
[20:03] We know that Iran is currently threatening water
[20:06] and wastewater facilities.
[20:09] So we have currently disconnected all
[20:12] of our systems essentially from the internet
[20:15] and only plugged that back in when our integrators need
[20:18] to access the systems.
[20:20] And then the future systems
[20:21] as we go into the new water filtration plant
[20:23] have further barriers.
[20:25] Not only do we just physically disconnect them,
[20:27] but when they need to be connected, there's multiple points
[20:30] of authentication that you would have to get through
[20:33] to be even able to access.
[20:35] It's inconvenient as heck for us,
[20:37] but it needs to be a hundred percent. So
[20:42] Yeah.
[20:43] Any further questions Indra?
[20:44] Yeah, just, just one more.
[20:47] Does will this cost more on an ongoing basis
[20:50] to maintain than our old system?
[20:53] Slightly more mainly
[20:54] because of the, the cellular communications,
[20:58] but it's on the order
[20:59] of a couple hundred dollars a year, you know.
[21:02] Yeah. It's not significant at all. Yeah.
[21:06] Further questions, Victoria,
[21:09] So j this is just for the public.
[21:12] Yeah. From everything that you, the information
[21:16] that you've given us, I, it, it just seems like, I like
[21:19] what Kathleen and Rick said that this is very secure.
[21:22] Yeah. And is there, just, is there anything that you can
[21:27] say just to the public to tell them a little bit about
[21:32] how this makes their water source secure?
[21:36] It actually makes it, in my opinion, personal opinion,
[21:39] and I am not an expert in this.
[21:40] We had a a an hour
[21:42] and a half meeting on SCADA security the other day
[21:45] with five people in the room
[21:46] and I left with my head just swimming and it was horrible.
[21:53] It makes it safer. A the radios that we are moving
[21:55] to are literally their own private network
[21:58] that nobody else has access to the frequencies,
[22:00] nobody else has access to the IP numbers.
[22:03] And so that sets up our own private network.
[22:06] The firewall tunnels
[22:07] that we're building are even more secure
[22:09] and you have to get through both the city's VPN
[22:12] and then our own VPN.
[22:14] So there's multiple ways in this is a huge improvement over
[22:18] where we were and we're doing implementing
[22:19] that both at water and wastewater.
[22:22] Thank you. Any further questions from council?
[22:27] Alright, see you. None. Thank you. Thank you Jason.
[22:30] At this time we afford the public an opportunity
[22:33] to comment in regards to this specific council action item,
[22:36] which is upgrading our SC DA system, remote system.
[22:40] Anybody from the public? All right, see you. None.
[22:43] I'll bring it back to council for further
[22:45] discussion and or action.
[22:48] Indra?
[22:50] Yes, I'm going to move that council,
[22:52] approve the resolution authorizing the city manager
[22:55] to enter into an agreement with CSNW
[22:58] to perform upgrade work on the water division's 21
[23:02] remote facilities.
[23:05] All right. It has been motion to approve the action
[23:09] to grant a cada upgrade
[23:14] with anybody.
[23:15] Want to second Kathleen on a second? Any further discussion?
[23:23] All right. Seeing none, Andrew, how do you vote?
[23:26] Yes, Kathleen. Yes. Victoria? Yes. Rob?
[23:31] Yes. Eric? Yes. Rick? Yes. Thank you very much.
[23:36] Passes resolution passes. Thank you.
[23:38] Next on the agenda, tonight is a motion
[23:42] appointing two members to the small business task force.
[23:49] So there is a pink piece of paper in front of you
[23:51] and I guess sign it and pass it down.
[23:57] Just accept that since there's,
[24:00] Since there's no contenders in this, I would just look
[24:04] for counsel, a counselor to step up
[24:06] and make the recommendation. Rob, thank
[24:10] You.
[24:11] I'll make a motion to appoint Logan Roberts
[24:13] and Rebecca Nugent to the small business task force.
[24:16] Thank you. And a second from Rick. Any further discussion?
[24:20] Seeing none, Rick had, I mean, sorry. Rob, how do you vote?
[24:23] Yes. Eric? Yes. Rick? Yes. Indra? Yes. Kathleen? Yes.
[24:28] Victoria? Yes. Alright.
[24:29] The two members are appointed
[24:31] to the small business task force.
[24:32] Thank you very much. Next on our agenda, we come
[24:35] to general public comment.
[24:38] This is an opportunity for the public
[24:40] to address this city Council on items not related
[24:43] to a public hearing
[24:44] or council action Item on tonight's agenda,
[24:49] the intent is to receive information that is pertinent
[24:52] to the matters within the city's actual jurisdiction.
[24:56] Each speaker will be given three minutes
[24:59] to address the council.
[25:00] Council members will have an opportunity to respond
[25:02] to the public after thes consent agenda is addressed.
[25:08] I have blue cards in front of me
[25:11] and we'll start out with Mike.
[25:13] Ey, is he still online? No. All right.
[25:16] Mike Ey is not online.
[25:17] David Dapper, step up to the microphone
[25:19] and restate your name.
[25:20] You have three minutes sir.
[25:22] Hi. Hello.
[25:27] You hear me? Okay. Hi David.
[25:29] Dapper City resident with a
[25:34] homeless thing moving to Parker's place.
[25:36] Bernie's doing a job of managing inside Parker's Place,
[25:41] but it's our job as a city
[25:44] to manage the surrounding community.
[25:47] And I noticed Riverside West
[25:50] and Parker's place are having a big problem
[25:53] with the car campers
[25:55] and the junkies going down there during,
[25:58] during the day to do their drugs.
[26:00] And we have car campers unloading their whole
[26:03] car over multiple parking spaces
[26:07] and the site, the walkways.
[26:12] And we need this to stop.
[26:13] And when we call this in, we need it taken serious.
[26:19] Not not to be argued with when a,
[26:22] a couple women are staggering down the street and collapse
[26:26] or lay down in the middle of the road.
[26:28] Like the videos I sent you.
[26:30] All we need that responded to not argued with.
[26:36] Some of us do call a lot, but there's a reason for that.
[26:42] And we need, we need to, the two problem areas right now
[26:46] that I see are tossing.
[26:48] 'cause there's a part you can't get
[26:49] to from the parking lot without walking down towards the
[26:53] pedestrian bridge and Riverside West.
[26:57] And I did see Officer McGinnis
[26:59] and that new tall officer,
[27:01] I dunno if he's seven foot tall like McGinness said,
[27:04] but he's a big guy and that's what will
[27:08] what We'll see these guys
[27:10] because the junkies,
[27:12] they don't go out into the light in front
[27:14] of everybody to do their stuff.
[27:15] They're good at hiding
[27:18] and we really need, we really need
[27:22] to watch these areas in other areas.
[27:25] I'm sure Morrison is isn't looking real
[27:28] wonderful all the time.
[27:31] I'm glad they removed
[27:32] that park bench in front of the bottle drop.
[27:34] That was a, the campground of sorts.
[27:38] But can we please, please
[27:41] give a little emphasis on these two parks
[27:44] and these areas nearby?
[27:46] 'cause we know wherever these services are,
[27:49] it attracts people that need these services
[27:52] and it attracts people that abuse these services also.
[27:55] And we really need to, we need to manage
[27:59] around the campground. Thank you.
[28:02] Thank you Patrick Rooney.
[28:08] I do not see him in the audience.
[28:10] All right Dave Blakely, come up
[28:15] to the podium, restate your name
[28:17] and you have three minutes sir. We
[28:18] Should go five minutes if it's so empty in here.
[28:22] All right, Dave Blakely, city resident.
[28:24] I'm here again to reiterate my concerns about a tactic being
[28:27] used by Grants Pass Police that consists of closed fist
[28:31] and elbow strikes to the head.
[28:34] Now we talked last week about the liabilities associated
[28:36] with this tactic and I did a Google search yesterday
[28:39] and Eugene Police and Portland police are currently under
[28:42] lawsuit for same tactic, traumatic brain injury to the head
[28:45] because of closed fist and elbows to strikes to the head.
[28:48] Now we all know that I wore the badge
[28:50] of law enforcement in the county,
[28:51] but what you don't know is I was certified
[28:53] self-defense in director in Las Vegas.
[28:55] Chief is from Las Vegas.
[28:56] He should be able to understand this really well.
[28:58] We taught security officers in the casinos to make sure
[29:01] that they weren't acting aggressively.
[29:03] We taught them arm bar takedowns
[29:05] because they're extremely effective.
[29:07] Whether you're cooperative, drunk
[29:09] or resisting, they are effective
[29:12] and they do not bring the multimillion dollar liability
[29:15] that comes with the closed fist tactics to the head.
[29:18] I want it stopped. The community wants it stopped.
[29:21] I'm gonna again ask council to direct staff
[29:23] to look into cheaper other tactics
[29:26] that don't carry the liability that this tactic carries.
[29:29] I'm gonna ask city manager
[29:30] and city council, city attorney to come up
[29:33] with a moratorium on this tactic
[29:34] until we get this figured out.
[29:37] Every time an officer goes out,
[29:38] it's a potential multimillion dollar lawsuit.
[29:41] You'll be told all kinds
[29:42] of excuses while we're using this tactic.
[29:44] But keep in mind the academy does not condone it.
[29:48] They do not teach it.
[29:50] And they actually teach the officers the liabilities
[29:52] of using such a tactic.
[29:55] So why are we in Grants Pass Oregon using such a tactic
[29:58] who has fooled the chief of police to believe
[30:00] that this tactic is better than something like an arm bar
[30:03] or some other tactic.
[30:04] I don't care what it is, but there's gotta be something
[30:06] cheaper than what we're using.
[30:08] Now I wanna get down to the subject of prayer real quick.
[30:10] You guys made a big issue last meeting about coming up
[30:13] with policy to make sure
[30:14] that we didn't allow somebody in here
[30:16] that did you didn't want.
[30:17] Whether it was Satan's cult
[30:18] or some other religion, bad move folks.
[30:22] You did it publicly.
[30:23] You're setting yourself up for a discrimination lawsuit.
[30:26] You're setting yourself up, you're setting the city up
[30:28] for a discrimination lawsuit.
[30:29] 'cause you're actively trying to create a policy
[30:31] to keep people from coming in here that you may not approve
[30:33] of to give their their little moment of prayer.
[30:37] Keep it simple folks. We're adults. A moment of silence.
[30:41] A moment of silence. How hard is that to come up with?
[30:44] You wanna create policy, you're gonna create a lawsuit.
[30:46] And then we're gonna go through this
[30:47] circle around and around.
[30:49] And again, it's gotta stop. You're our leaders.
[30:51] You're here to listen to us and I expect you to listen.
[30:54] Thank you for your time.
[30:56] Thank you. Alright, that concludes the portion
[30:59] of this evening for general public comment.
[31:02] I thank you for your participation.
[31:05] Next on the agenda is Thes consent agenda
[31:08] if we can get that listed up.
[31:09] And I would look for volunteer counselor
[31:13] to read off our consent agenda tonight.
[31:16] Victoria. Thank you.
[31:18] I'll give it a whirl.
[31:20] Okay, I moved.
[31:26] Consent agenda items included are of such routine nature
[31:30] or without controversy so that they may be approved
[31:33] with a single action and there are no starred items.
[31:38] So item A resolution authorizing the city manager
[31:42] to enter into an agreement with controlled system northwest
[31:45] for redwood lift station B resolution
[31:50] authorizing the city manager
[31:51] to enter into a five year contract for service
[31:54] with Rogue Valley Council of Governments
[31:57] for total maximum daily load storm water permit
[32:01] implementation and compliance C resolution,
[32:05] authorizing the city manager to enter into a sole source
[32:08] construction contract with WMS aquatics
[32:13] for the caveman pool renovations.
[32:15] Project number LB 63 90 3D resolution
[32:21] authorizing the purchase of five Stryker Life Pack 35
[32:25] monitor defibrillators for grants pass Fire
[32:29] and Rescue e Motion approving the minutes
[32:33] of the city council meeting
[32:34] of August 19th, 2026 F Motion.
[32:39] Acknowledging the minutes
[32:40] of the Urban Tree Advisory Committee meeting
[32:43] of July 13th, 2026 G Motion.
[32:47] Acknowledging the minutes
[32:49] of the Parks Advisory Committee meeting July 9th, 2026
[32:54] H Motion, acknowledging the minutes
[32:57] of the small Business Task force meeting of July 22nd, 2026.
[33:02] I motion acknowledging the minutes of the Bikeways
[33:06] and Walkways committee meeting of July 14th, 2026.
[33:10] Jay Motion acknowledging the minutes
[33:13] of the Urban Area Planning Commission meeting
[33:16] of July 8th, 2026 K.
[33:20] Motion. Acknowledging the minutes
[33:22] of the Committee on public art meeting
[33:25] of July 14th, 2026.
[33:30] And I move to approve the consent agenda.
[33:34] Thank you with a second from Eric. Thank you very much.
[33:37] Any further discussion? All right.
[33:39] Seeing none, Victoria, how do you vote? Yes, Kathleen. Yes.
[33:43] Indra? Yes. Rick? Yes. Eric? Yes. Rob? Yes. All right.
[33:47] Case consent agenda for council meeting.
[33:50] September 2nd has been approved.
[33:53] Now we move on to matters for mayor council.
[33:56] I bring it back to the diocese for any counselors have
[34:00] anything to add to tonight's proceedings?
[34:03] Rob?
[34:04] Yeah, I've got a few things.
[34:06] First I have a question for Brad.
[34:08] So earlier tonight we tabled
[34:12] or postponed the discussion on the, the development
[34:16] until September 16th, right?
[34:19] So that in our packet, I mean there were so many,
[34:24] you know, major changes from, from what was brought
[34:28] before the UAPC.
[34:31] I don't understand why that wouldn't go back to the UAPC
[34:34] for them to review the myriad changes that are in there
[34:37] before it comes back to council.
[34:39] 'cause it seems like it much of that goes way
[34:41] beyond council's level of expertise.
[34:43] So why doesn't this go back to UAPC
[34:45] and then come to council? Yeah,
[34:48] I guess if I could just check with the city attorney
[34:51] because we're, we're talking about an item
[34:53] that is technically open
[34:56] and we haven't invited the applicant to be here
[35:01] because they were informed that it was gonna be continued.
[35:03] I mean, I'm happy to answer the question.
[35:04] I just, I just want to make sure that
[35:06] we're not causing any issues this,
[35:08] this discussion's on the record.
[35:10] So maybe that's okay. But
[35:12] I think Rob's question is more about
[35:13] procedure. Procedure,
[35:15] Okay.
[35:16] Yeah. So I, I don't think he wants to discuss the, the,
[35:18] I mean he can correct me, but it sounded like more like
[35:20] procedurally, wouldn't you go back to the UAPC if that's
[35:23] Yeah, Exactly.
[35:24] There's so many. Yeah.
[35:26] You know, you know, I read 70 pages
[35:28] and there's a minimum of, I dunno, a dozen different
[35:32] changes that are gonna be made.
[35:34] Like that goes beyond what council's area of expertise is.
[35:38] Why wouldn't it go back to a PC?
[35:40] Yeah, well there's two things.
[35:43] One is the, the way
[35:45] that the development code is currently written,
[35:49] it talks about, in the appeals section it talks about a
[35:53] de novo hearing, which is essentially starting
[35:58] from scratch or you know, new.
[36:02] And so from our staff, look at it,
[36:06] there wasn't any provision that would say if somebody wants
[36:09] to bring some changes since it's a de novo appeal,
[36:13] they can bring those changes.
[36:15] They can present those changes, they can talk about them
[36:18] without going back.
[36:21] Now there is another provision that says
[36:23] that the council could limit that
[36:26] and say, no, you can't talk about anything you want.
[36:29] You can only talk about the two things that,
[36:32] or three things that the planning commission denied it on.
[36:38] What's, what's odd is that our code doesn't allow you
[36:40] to make that decision until you actually
[36:42] have it in front of you.
[36:45] So that doesn't really help anybody because the staff
[36:48] and the applicant can't really prepare for that hearing.
[36:50] So we, we feel like our hands are a little bit tied on this
[36:54] one and, and in and prior ones as well with the way,
[36:57] because of that language, the way it's worded now, we,
[37:02] we have had very open communications with the applicant and,
[37:05] and I think that on the 16th it, it should go smoother
[37:09] and we can maybe trim down your, you know, the, the packets
[37:13] so that to hearing your concern about all
[37:16] of this technical information that's coming before you.
[37:20] But I think that's the reason why you had it, is
[37:23] because there really is nothing that, that,
[37:27] that the city has that can deny the applicant
[37:31] to file an appeal if that's the route they choose to go.
[37:35] Okay. I, I just, I guess I thought that an appeal was the
[37:40] aspects that the UAPC denied them on,
[37:44] but they've changed other things beyond what was denied.
[37:48] In other words, it's a significantly different project
[37:51] beyond the things that were, they were denied on.
[37:54] That's, that's my, I guess that's my question.
[37:56] It's not just the things they were denied on
[37:58] that were changed, it's now a different project
[38:02] and UAPC hasn't seen those aspects yet.
[38:07] So who is it that makes the decision
[38:10] that those things were are, you know, basically
[38:14] up to code so to speak.
[38:16] Right, right. No, and you're spot on counselor.
[38:19] There is, there is some subjectivity in the determination
[38:22] about what's considered a major change
[38:24] and a minor change when somebody comes forth with a,
[38:28] you know, with an application.
[38:29] I mean, they got the same number of units,
[38:31] they've got the same basic layout, you know,
[38:34] they have a few changes to parking,
[38:36] but, you know, so yes, that is, that is my call in terms
[38:40] of a director's call on what's, what's major
[38:43] and minor in terms of an application change.
[38:45] But but didn't, didn't they change from a private
[38:48] street to a public street?
[38:49] Correct. Well That's huge,
[38:53] But that's, that's kind of parsing into the actual
[38:55] discussion of the, of that.
[38:57] So we want to stay away from that.
[38:58] I think what, just to clarify
[39:03] what you're saying, Brad, is our code doesn't allow us
[39:07] to basically stop the proceedings.
[39:09] We'd still have to go through a council hearing,
[39:13] which should, the council should be just determining
[39:16] and weighing the two items
[39:17] or the number of items that the UAPC has denied,
[39:21] only not the overall project.
[39:22] Correct.
[39:24] Right, right.
[39:26] And, and that all hinges on this determination
[39:29] of a de novo hearing,
[39:31] which gives an applicant the opportunity
[39:33] to bring forward some changes in an appeal without
[39:39] starting over because that does involve a lot
[39:41] of time and involves a lot of money.
[39:42] And an appeal is the faster route
[39:46] and the state has required the city
[39:48] to process applications within 120 days.
[39:52] We don't have any control over that.
[39:54] And you can't get to 120 day decision by going back
[39:58] and forth and back and forth.
[40:00] You have to really just kind of follow through on one stream
[40:03] and that that includes the appeal. So
[40:07] Do you still have questions?
[40:08] Yeah, yeah. I mean I understand that includes the appeal
[40:11] and you say it, you know it,
[40:13] but when you say you have to follow through within 120 days,
[40:17] they've changed their application midstream.
[40:19] So, you know, I I have no,
[40:22] I have no idea where this is gonna go.
[40:23] And I would imagine that, you know,
[40:25] people wanna work this out to make it all work out,
[40:27] but they've changed their application.
[40:30] It's not the same application that we were required
[40:32] to process it within 120 days.
[40:34] They've changed it. So that, that's my point.
[40:37] It your maybe your call,
[40:38] but it's not the same application that they put in
[40:42] and expect it to have finished in 120 days.
[40:44] They changed their application significantly.
[40:46] So that's my point. I guess that's my question.
[40:51] Alright, so I have a couple other things too. Okay.
[40:53] Since we are now crystal clear on that one.
[40:57] Let's see, we'll try another one.
[41:00] So the compensation study that we got a memo on Monday.
[41:05] I hope all counselors had an opportunity to look at that.
[41:09] And there's a bunch of questions I have on it
[41:12] and I'm just wondering,
[41:16] maybe I could bring those up to
[41:21] at the agenda setting meeting tomorrow, whatever.
[41:23] But there's, there's, there's, there's things that I,
[41:27] I definitely have questions on with regards to that memo
[41:30] and, and they're, they're somewhat detailed,
[41:33] although they wouldn't take a long time.
[41:34] So what, what's the best way to, and
[41:37] and maybe other counselors have, have spotted things there
[41:39] that they have questions on as well.
[41:41] I, I don't know, but what's the best way to bring that up?
[41:44] Yeah, thanks for the question.
[41:46] So we sent that forward to you
[41:47] because I got that from a logic
[41:49] and I wanna make sure that logic's moving forward is in
[41:53] alignment with council's expectations.
[41:55] So if you have specific questions, I I may be able
[41:58] to answer those in, in the meeting tomorrow or,
[42:01] but if you do have specific questions,
[42:03] I would gather those forward those to logic,
[42:05] get those answers and provide them back to council.
[42:09] And, and if it's, it's such that you need them
[42:13] again on online, we could do that also.
[42:16] So I'd first start by question submittal
[42:19] or talking to me, give me a call,
[42:20] let me know what your questions are.
[42:22] I'll forward those on
[42:23] and get the responses and give 'em to all counsel.
[42:25] So, okay.
[42:26] So do you want me to call you
[42:28] or do you want me to just, you wanna discuss
[42:29] that in person tomorrow or how do you wanna do that?
[42:31] Whatever's most convenient to you
[42:33] Can discuss, Let's parse it out in
[42:35] the conversation tomorrow.
[42:37] And if we feel that it needs to go more in depth,
[42:39] then we can go more in depth. Okay.
[42:41] And then, but Then any discussion
[42:42] that happens in the agenda setting in regards to that,
[42:45] we'll be distributed to all counselors.
[42:46] Sure, yes. Yeah, there's not a lot,
[42:49] I don't think there's a lot of depth.
[42:51] Well, there may be. We'll see.
[42:54] And then the, the third thing I wanted to discuss, I gotta,
[42:58] so I got a question initially for Chief Hensman.
[43:03] So we had, we were looking for six public safety,
[43:08] I should say six police positions.
[43:10] And you know, you've updated us many times about
[43:14] how difficult it is to recruit police and so forth.
[43:18] I believe one of the six positions was for CSO.
[43:21] And I would imagine that that position is a lot easier
[43:23] to fill than it is for a police officer.
[43:25] Has that position been filled? The one CSO?
[43:28] Yes, sir. That was fairly easy to fill
[43:30] and it's been filled with a terrific person. Okay,
[43:34] So is that CSO is part
[43:38] of their route gonna be downtown at all?
[43:41] We used to have, you know, two CSOs downtown at least.
[43:45] What, what's, and right now we've got, like today
[43:48] for instance in the rain,
[43:50] probably had a dozen people in the,
[43:52] the G Street Plaza trying to stay dry.
[43:55] A dozen people that I would call, they had a lot of stuff
[43:58] with them and they appeared
[43:59] to be loitering, et cetera, et cetera.
[44:03] What kind of general patrol do we have downtown?
[44:07] Is that CSO or some other CSO?
[44:09] Is that their responsibility? Now we,
[44:10] You counsel, we have a variety of patrol.
[44:13] As a reminder, when you look at the CSOs, the CSOs used
[44:18] to do parking enforcement.
[44:19] That's why you had CSOs downtown
[44:21] and counsel chose to go to a parking enforcement officer
[44:24] who is downtown on the regular doing parking
[44:27] enforcement duties.
[44:29] Yeah, that happened a couple of years ago.
[44:32] Also though the CSOs are very busy doing all those things
[44:37] that police officers typically can't get around
[44:40] to traffic accidents, et cetera.
[44:42] So they're very involved in the day to day
[44:45] and they're incredibly busy.
[44:48] Also too, our patrol officers are out
[44:52] and about when they can being proactive, not just
[44:56] during the day, but definitely during the wee hours
[44:58] of the morning doing what we call the CBD enforcement.
[45:02] And the reality of it counselor
[45:04] and community is
[45:05] that we're busy running call to call to call.
[45:08] Well, it's probably not fair to say call to call to call,
[45:11] but we're busy running a lot of calls.
[45:15] Again, my request to community is if you see something,
[45:18] say something and call us.
[45:21] We can't be everywhere at one time.
[45:22] There's about 11 square miles here in the city
[45:24] and typically only about six cops on duty.
[45:27] So we're running around all over the place.
[45:29] To answer your question, also to Councilor Pell, the CSOs
[45:34] are complimented by the cadets.
[45:37] We have hired some really, fingers crossed great people
[45:41] to fill these cadet roles
[45:43] and I expect to get them trained up fairly quickly
[45:46] and get them on foot downtown as well.
[45:49] So they will provide that additional support downtown
[45:52] and that additional eyes and ears.
[45:54] And then also, I, I shared this in an email today
[45:58] and thank you all very much for
[46:00] enacting the exclusion ordinance downtown.
[46:03] We've actually hit 14 people we've excluded from downtown.
[46:07] So I think that's working as well coupled
[46:11] with everything else that we're doing.
[46:12] So hopefully that answered your question.
[46:14] It does and it also touches on the, kind of the follow up,
[46:18] you know, I you, as you probably remember, there's,
[46:22] I've emailed you a few times over the last few years,
[46:25] I've sent you photographs a couple times of
[46:29] parking issues downtown.
[46:31] Sometimes the car parked illegally for five continuous days,
[46:34] which to me indicated
[46:35] that our parking enforcement was seriously lacking.
[46:37] And I basically haven't really
[46:41] demanded more from you
[46:43] or the department knowing that we were kind of overloaded
[46:46] with our homeless issues.
[46:48] But the bottom line is,
[46:50] and then we had our, our construction project downtown.
[46:53] And I again, did not, I wasn't constantly
[46:58] reminding you of what the opinion
[47:00] of most downtown business owners are on the effectiveness
[47:03] of our parking enforcement.
[47:05] But I would like to get together some time possibly with you
[47:08] and Aaron at the same time, because there's also some data
[47:11] that would also indicate
[47:12] that our parking enforcement is sorely lacking
[47:15] over what it was a few years ago.
[47:16] And that's the usage of our paid spots.
[47:19] Those are empty and there's no reason for people
[47:22] to pay anymore for the paid spots
[47:25] because the risk of of parking an illegal spot is so low.
[47:30] I, I, I get what you're saying, counselor,
[47:32] but I also as a reminder, as an all hands on deck department
[47:37] with limited resources,
[47:38] we utilize our parking enforcement officer
[47:41] to clear out the camps.
[47:42] We've had camps over here for years
[47:44] and we've been utilizing them for a lot of things.
[47:47] I'd be happy to set up a ride along with anybody
[47:49] to go downtown with our bargaining enforcement officer
[47:52] and see what he does on the regular.
[47:56] But the reality too is
[47:57] that our park parking enforcement recently got a promotion
[48:00] to a community service officer.
[48:02] So the duties have been collateral duties to other people.
[48:07] And it's certainly not to minimize the role
[48:10] of anybody in the organization,
[48:11] but the reality is parking enforcement is a much lower
[48:14] priority when it comes to everything else
[48:16] that we have to do in the organization.
[48:18] The good news, I just hired an outstanding person
[48:21] for the parking enforcement position who I think will be
[48:25] a wonderful addition to the community.
[48:27] And I think she's going to fit in really well
[48:30] with not just our organization,
[48:32] but also the downtown merchants and downtown community.
[48:35] So I'm excited about this person coming on board.
[48:40] And this person also,
[48:42] I'll brag a bit about this person has tremendous experience
[48:46] who I think will be able to really support
[48:49] a more robust enforcement mission in the downtown corridor.
[48:53] Okay. Just, and I'm, I'm just wanna
[48:55] basically make one more point,
[48:57] and I think I might've made it before
[48:59] where from a police perspective, I understand
[49:02] how parking enforcement would be probably the
[49:05] very low on the food chain, so to speak, from the
[49:11] perspective of our downtown businesses
[49:14] and the
[49:16] our and our customers.
[49:20] It's much higher on the food chain than you,
[49:22] than you really understand, quite frankly.
[49:24] Because if you don't have the likelihood of being able
[49:28] to get a parking within a block
[49:30] or so of where you're gonna go,
[49:31] you could very easily go out to the parkway.
[49:33] You could very easily shop Amazon.
[49:36] You could, there's so many different options.
[49:38] So while, like I say from a police perspective,
[49:41] it's one thing from an economic development
[49:44] and tourism perspective, it's another thing.
[49:46] It's more far more important than
[49:49] I think you may realize from,
[49:51] from the merchant's perspective.
[49:53] I've had merchants come to me literally in tears over some
[49:57] of these issues and it's like, there's nothing
[49:59] that I can do for 'em.
[50:01] But I just, I just want to finish with that.
[50:03] It's, it's more important
[50:04] that I think you're giving it credit.
[50:05] I would, if I may just respond,
[50:08] I do give it a lot of credit.
[50:10] I give everything, we do the same amount of enthusiasm.
[50:16] I would also ask that if you have a merchant who's concerned
[50:20] or frustrated, please call me.
[50:22] I open my door to everybody.
[50:23] I've had plenty of meetings of late
[50:26] and I'd be more than happy to chat with this person
[50:30] so we can engage them appropriately and effectively.
[50:34] And if we're missing something, we're big men and women
[50:38] and we can take it on the chin and, and we can get out there
[50:41] and be more effective.
[50:42] It, it really boils down to communication.
[50:44] I don't minimize anything that happens in this community.
[50:47] I'm finger on the pulse 24 7. I know what's going on.
[50:50] I respond to everything
[50:52] and you know, I'm happy to have a meeting with you
[50:55] and whoever else, but for the
[50:58] downtown merchants, gimme a call.
[51:00] I'd love to know what's going on
[51:01] or what's what your concerns are so we can address that.
[51:05] Thank you. That brings it back full
[51:10] circle to the conversation
[51:11] that I continually have ever since I started serving in
[51:14] 2017 with the city.
[51:16] We need a high rise parking structure downtown. Okay.
[51:20] Next Victoria. Yeah.
[51:24] Yes. It, it kind of, I guess goes right off of that.
[51:27] So I do know that,
[51:29] and it speaks to something that someone
[51:32] in public comment was speaking about,
[51:34] and that is that we do have exclusion zones
[51:37] and we have been hearing that there have been people
[51:40] who have been cited in the exclusion zone.
[51:43] So I, I think that this is probably gonna continue to help.
[51:47] And we also just to let the public know do have
[51:51] on our agenda,
[51:54] or it will be on the agenda soon, expanding ex looking into
[51:58] how we can expand exclusion zones.
[52:02] So I know
[52:04] that the police are working on enforcing
[52:08] what counsel has done with the exclusion zones,
[52:10] and I just wanted to extend appreciation for that.
[52:14] And, and I know
[52:17] because I've been, I haven't been in a ride along in a while
[52:19] and tonight made me think I'm gonna have to do it again
[52:22] because I know that you guys are going from call
[52:24] to call to call to call.
[52:26] And so I think that with all of these measures
[52:31] that council is doing and the continued just push
[52:35] and hard work from our police department
[52:39] that we're gonna make progress
[52:41] and it's not gonna be overnight
[52:43] and it's gonna continue to be frustrating.
[52:46] But I really appreciate that,
[52:49] that Chief Hensman said, please do call.
[52:52] They, they don't feel like you're calling too much.
[52:56] They, they ask the community to call when you see something
[53:01] and that helps them to know where to push the resources.
[53:05] So we do have some more things
[53:09] that are coming up on the agenda to address that.
[53:11] And so I just wanted to thank Chief Hensman
[53:15] and let, let, let the public know
[53:19] that we are looking to do even more.
[53:24] Thank you. Anybody else? Kathleen?
[53:27] And then Indra. Kathleen?
[53:29] Yeah, I just wanted to say, I think that's great advice
[53:32] Chief Hensman that we do a ride along
[53:35] that maybe Rob does a ride along with the
[53:39] enforcement downtown to see what is going on.
[53:41] And I think that's good advice for all of us.
[53:44] And I plan on making a, a ride along appointment soon too.
[53:51] Indra? Yes.
[53:52] I just wanted to say we knew
[53:56] when we transitioned the camps there would be some issues
[53:59] and there are, and and Chief, I just want you to know,
[54:02] you sound very tired tonight.
[54:05] Like you're, we're all in this together and,
[54:08] and I know you're getting,
[54:10] and your officers are getting the brunt of it,
[54:12] but we, we need to think outside the box.
[54:17] There are cities that are being more successful than we are.
[54:21] And so I feel like
[54:24] we keep saying it'll get better.
[54:27] We're, and I know you're doing all you can,
[54:30] but I would really like our us to think
[54:32] outside the box on some things maybe we can do to help
[54:35] because people are,
[54:40] we're all tired of it.
[54:41] And, and especially when I saw that video
[54:44] of the ring camera, I had an experience where they come
[54:48] to your door, it's, it's really scary
[54:51] and I don't want someone, you know, to be a victim
[54:55] and then we say, wow, we,
[54:57] we should have done something more.
[54:59] And so I would really like, that's the,
[55:03] that's the number one priority, public safety
[55:06] and keeping our citizens safe.
[55:09] And I would funnel every dime we had into doing that.
[55:12] Really. I think that's our number one priority.
[55:16] And then I did wanna address Mr
[55:18] and thank you Chief for, for all you're doing,
[55:21] but I feel like as a council we sit here
[55:24] and say things are getting better, we're doing things,
[55:28] but to the public, they're not really seeing that.
[55:32] And so that's why I say what can we do more
[55:36] as a team, Mr.
[55:38] Blakely, I just, I am not an expert on law enforcement
[55:42] or holds or anything like that,
[55:44] but I hear what you're saying and,
[55:46] and so I'm gonna commit to educate myself more on that,
[55:51] just to have the knowledge and, and go from there.
[55:56] Thank you.
[55:58] Anyone else? Eric?
[56:03] I just want to say thank you
[56:06] to the police force Chief Hensman.
[56:09] I know that a a lot
[56:11] of things have been said here up on the dais just now
[56:15] and you know, we, we can go round
[56:19] and round talk about tightening up our bootstraps
[56:24] or tightening up our belts
[56:25] and I mean, When it comes to funding
[56:31] this council authorized 12
[56:35] FTE six four, the police force, we take it seriously.
[56:40] And when it comes to taking the budget away from
[56:44] the police department or safety, I do not agree with that.
[56:48] So just from my perspective, it's, it's, it's
[56:53] a very high on the list of my priorities.
[56:56] Not tightening our belts, quote unquote,
[56:59] but giving that money where it needs to go.
[57:03] Especially now in these circumstances with
[57:07] the way everything has happened with, with the transition
[57:11] of the temporary resting sites down
[57:13] to Parker's place.
[57:19] Things are going, things are as,
[57:23] as I heard somebody say that, that it's going as expected
[57:28] or it is gonna, it's a little bit worse
[57:31] for a temporary time period.
[57:35] I, I just wanna remind the public this,
[57:36] this is all happening because of this.
[57:40] The laws that are put in place here in Oregon,
[57:43] we've got SB 48, we've got HB 3, 115.
[57:48] We've got all of these things that are hindering
[57:51] the police force and hindering
[57:54] what we can do as a council here.
[57:57] So when I hear people talk about bettering the police force
[58:02] or they need to do better or,
[58:04] or we need to see what other communities are doing.
[58:06] Well the fact is
[58:11] We are a unique circumstance and it's happening
[58:15] because we live in Oregon.
[58:22] So I just want, again, I want to thank the police chief,
[58:25] I want to thank the police force.
[58:26] They're doing a the best job
[58:28] that they could possibly be doing right now without being
[58:32] criticized by everyone else.
[58:35] Now he has said many times, you can call,
[58:40] call in and, and, and do all those things.
[58:42] They are very busy right now.
[58:46] So I, again, I I
[58:52] I commend the police force.
[58:53] Thank you so much.
[58:56] Thank you. Anybody else? Counselors? Okay.
[59:01] Staff. Anything from staff tonight?
[59:04] No, we're good. We're Good? We're good? Okay.
[59:06] With that, that goes through our agenda tonight.
[59:11] We do not have an ex executive session
[59:14] scheduled or notified.
[59:16] So we are at the end of our public meeting tonight.
[59:19] And I would look back to counsel for a motion
[59:23] to adjourn. Victoria,
[59:25] I motion to adjourn.
[59:27] Thank you. With a second from Rick
[59:29] and everybody that wants to go home, say,
[59:31] let's go home, let's go home.
[59:33] Let's go home. All right. Thank you very much
[59:34] for your participation tonight, audience.
[59:36] Woo-hoo. Under an hour that was.