1 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:31,750 certain motions 2 00:00:31,760 --> 00:03:29,910 speak to you and speak to my colleagues. 3 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:32,080 No, [laughter] we're talking about names 4 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:33,920 to use like when you order take out or 5 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:35,840 whatever. 6 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,200 >> What's your name? 7 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,270 >> I used to use Joe Montana. 8 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,357 » Are we ready? 9 00:03:43,357 --> 00:04:12,949 [laughter] 10 00:04:12,959 --> 00:04:15,280 We're ready. All right. Welcome 11 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,600 everybody. This is a regular meeting and 12 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,280 public hearing of the Grantsville City 13 00:04:19,280 --> 00:04:21,759 Council. For the record, today's date is 14 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:25,840 March 25th, 2026, and the time is 7 p.m. 15 00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:27,280 This meeting is being held at the 16 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:29,520 Grantsville Grantsville City Council 17 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,400 Chambers located at 429 East Main Street 18 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,720 in Grantsville, Utah, as well as 19 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,160 electronically via Zoom. I am Maya Mayor 20 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,400 Heidi Hammond, and I will conduct a roll 21 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,479 call. Council member Butler, 22 00:04:42,479 --> 00:04:44,160 >> present. Dalton 23 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:44,720 >> present. 24 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:45,280 >> Skinner 25 00:04:45,280 --> 00:04:45,840 >> here. 26 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:46,479 >> Thomas 27 00:04:46,479 --> 00:04:47,120 >> here. 28 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:47,759 >> Williams 29 00:04:47,759 --> 00:04:48,720 >> here. 30 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:50,800 >> All members are here and present. And 31 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,000 next I have asked Les Peterson to uh 32 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,600 lead us in the pledge of allegiance. 33 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,683 Thank you Les for being here. 34 00:04:58,683 --> 00:04:58,800 [clears throat] 35 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,199 >> When the command is given to render the 36 00:05:01,199 --> 00:05:05,440 proper salute to our flag present arms. 37 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:06,880 Please follow me in the pledge of 38 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,759 allegiance. I pledge algiance to the 39 00:05:09,759 --> 00:05:13,440 flag of the United States of America and 40 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,639 to the republic for which it stands. One 41 00:05:16,639 --> 00:05:20,080 nation under God, indivisible, with 42 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,880 liberty and justice for all. 43 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,960 >> You may be seated. [clears throat] 44 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:33,110 >> Thank you very much. 45 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,520 Uh before we start our meeting tonight, 46 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,560 um you may have all heard of a tragedy 47 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:45,199 that has happened near our city. Uh two individuals lost their lives um 48 00:05:45,199 --> 00:05:48,240 on at an accident on Parachute Lane and 49 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:49,840 Mid Valley Highway. So we're going to 50 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:51,600 start today with just a small moment of 51 00:05:51,600 --> 00:06:15,909 silence for them. 52 00:06:15,919 --> 00:06:19,350 Thank you. 53 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,360 We wish our condolences to their 54 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,319 families and associates. 55 00:06:24,319 --> 00:06:26,960 Um, our first item of a business tonight 56 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,680 is public comment. If anyone would like 57 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,840 to make a comment, please come forward. 58 00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:34,560 The floor is open to the public this 59 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,319 time. 60 00:06:36,319 --> 00:06:37,759 And if you're on Zoom, if you will 61 00:06:37,759 --> 00:06:45,830 please raise your hand, 62 00:06:45,840 --> 00:06:48,240 anyone online, Alicia? 63 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,960 >> Okay. All right. I don't see any public 64 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,800 comment tonight, so we will close that 65 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,790 agenda item. 66 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:58,960 Next, we have our summary action items. 67 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:00,720 Um, 68 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,639 item A is approval of minutes from the 69 00:07:02,639 --> 00:07:05,840 February 18th, 2026 city council regular 70 00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:11,510 meeting. 71 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,759 There's no discussion needed. If someone 72 00:07:13,759 --> 00:07:17,520 would like to make a motion. 73 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,039 >> Mayor, I make a motion we approve the 74 00:07:19,039 --> 00:07:21,919 minutes from the February 18th, 2026 75 00:07:21,919 --> 00:07:24,000 city council regular meeting. 76 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,599 >> We have a motion by Council Member 77 00:07:25,599 --> 00:07:27,039 Thomas. Is there a second? 78 00:07:27,039 --> 00:07:29,199 >> I'll second. Second by council member 79 00:07:29,199 --> 00:07:31,199 Dalton. All in favor? 80 00:07:31,199 --> 00:07:37,280 >> I I you. Next is item B, approval of the 81 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,759 minutes from the March 4th, 2026 city 82 00:07:39,759 --> 00:07:42,240 council regular meeting. [snorts] 83 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:43,759 >> Mayor make a motion we approve the 84 00:07:43,759 --> 00:07:46,880 minutes for from the March 4th meeting. 85 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,560 >> Thank you. Is there council member 86 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,240 Butler has made a motion. Is there a 87 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:50,720 second? 88 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,240 >> I'll second the motion. 89 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,319 >> Second by council member Skinner. All in 90 00:07:54,319 --> 00:07:55,280 favor? I 91 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:56,720 >> I 92 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:01,039 >> Okay, thank you. And last C um item C is 93 00:08:01,039 --> 00:08:03,280 approval of the bills. Does anybody have 94 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,280 any questions or comments or concerns on 95 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:06,720 the bills? 96 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,759 >> I had a question um about uh just some 97 00:08:09,759 --> 00:08:13,360 payments for the firefighter stipen that 98 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,599 we approved in our last meeting. 99 00:08:15,599 --> 00:08:18,960 >> Um I just wondering I know that we have 100 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:20,560 quite a contingent of volunteer 101 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,240 firefighters and we approved that in the 102 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,360 last meeting. Um I saw maybe a little 103 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,639 more than a dozen of those um stipens 104 00:08:28,639 --> 00:08:33,440 that were paid out in accordance with what we had approved. Just 105 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,680 wondering how many more of those are are 106 00:08:35,680 --> 00:08:39,519 there going to be um or is that or is 107 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:40,719 that it for the year? 108 00:08:40,719 --> 00:08:41,760 >> That's it for the year. 109 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,680 >> Okay. 110 00:08:43,680 --> 00:08:44,560 >> Thank you. 111 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:47,440 >> For next year hopefully more. 112 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,279 >> So that all was um driven by 113 00:08:49,279 --> 00:08:50,880 participation then. Right. 114 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:52,800 >> Okay. There's a a few of them that 115 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,440 didn't meet the criteria this year to 116 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,040 get the stipen. So hopefully this 117 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:01,120 incentivizes them to get that next year. 118 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,040 >> Thanks Chief Remick for that update on 119 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:12,230 that. Any other concerns on the bills? 120 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,080 » Make a motion we approve the bills as 121 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:15,519 presented. 122 00:09:15,519 --> 00:09:17,360 >> We have a motion by council member 123 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:18,640 Butler. Is there a second? 124 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,720 >> I can second it. Second by council 125 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,120 member Williams. All in favor? 126 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:24,880 >> I. 127 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,839 >> Thank you. 128 00:09:27,839 --> 00:09:30,959 Um, moving on to item number three, a 129 00:09:30,959 --> 00:09:34,160 proclamation declaring April 24th, 2026 130 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:47,190 as Arbor Day in Grantsville City. 131 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,000 Um, so this is an official proclamation 132 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,839 that will be signed. I'm not going to 133 00:09:51,839 --> 00:09:54,959 read all of the item, but in 1872, the 134 00:09:54,959 --> 00:09:56,560 Nebraska Board of Agriculture 135 00:09:56,560 --> 00:09:58,800 established a special day to be set 136 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,200 aside for the planting of trees. And 137 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,440 this holiday is called Arbor Day and was 138 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,200 first observed with the planting of more 139 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,680 than a million trees in Nebraska. And 140 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:09,839 Arbor Day is now observed throughout the 141 00:10:09,839 --> 00:10:11,760 nation and the world. 142 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,519 Um, we have a wonderful tree program in 143 00:10:15,519 --> 00:10:17,600 Grantsville. The applications for that 144 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,720 are due this Friday. So, if anybody is 145 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,560 interested in purchasing trees, the 146 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:26,320 applications are due in two days. So, I, 147 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,079 Heidi Hammond, mayor of the city of 148 00:10:28,079 --> 00:10:30,320 Grantsville, do hereby proclaim April 149 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:34,000 24th, 2026 as Arbor Day in the city of 150 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,160 Grantsville. And I urge all citizens to 151 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:37,920 celebrate Arbor Day and to support 152 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,320 efforts to protect our trees and 153 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,959 woodlands. I urge all citizens to plant 154 00:10:42,959 --> 00:10:44,720 trees to gladden the heart and promote 155 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,720 the well-being of this and future 156 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,720 generations. 157 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,440 So that I think will take care of that. 158 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,519 Uh we will be celebrating with the 159 00:10:53,519 --> 00:10:55,440 students at the elementary schools on 160 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,800 April 12th. Um 161 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,680 but Arbor Day is on the 24th. So we'll 162 00:11:01,680 --> 00:11:03,839 look forward to all the trees coming in 163 00:11:03,839 --> 00:11:06,560 for the tree application. So that is 164 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:09,360 great 165 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:14,240 and we will move forward with that item. 166 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,320 number four is a discussion and 167 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,480 direction from the council regarding the 168 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,959 sewer right study. 169 00:11:20,959 --> 00:11:23,120 And Aspen, are you the one talking with 170 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:24,800 us about that or is 171 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,120 >> we have Robert here. Is Robert on? 172 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:35,509 Robert is here. [laughter] 173 00:11:35,519 --> 00:11:36,399 Hello, Robert. 174 00:11:36,399 --> 00:11:37,519 >> Hi. 175 00:11:37,519 --> 00:11:40,720 >> So, yeah, Robert with Enzy Engineering. 176 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,640 Mike, did you send out the email to city 177 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:43,120 council? 178 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:44,560 >> I did. Yeah, they have it, but we 179 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:47,279 probably should see if we can pull. 180 00:11:47,279 --> 00:11:53,509 Okay, let me get that 181 00:11:53,519 --> 00:11:57,120 » PDF you you sent out with the map 182 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,399 >> or the result the notes that 183 00:12:00,399 --> 00:12:02,560 >> Yes, it would be the email that lists 184 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:04,320 all the the stuff with that and we just 185 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,560 received that today because the bid for 186 00:12:06,560 --> 00:12:08,880 the sewer treatment plant came in today 187 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,240 and then um Robert Relle um updated the 188 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,480 numbers for the rates based on that 189 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,240 those numbers and then Yesterday, Alex 190 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,720 had reached out to a lender that uh is 191 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,320 possibly going to uh provide the bonding 192 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,480 for this and gave us a kind of a general 193 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,720 idea of what the rates are going to be. 194 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,399 And um Robert's going to cover that, but 195 00:12:30,399 --> 00:12:31,680 they're saying the rates are now 196 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:33,839 increasing due to the fact that there's 197 00:12:33,839 --> 00:12:37,040 the war over there in Iran that's uh 198 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:38,880 creating some issues here and it's 199 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,760 increasing the rates. So, Zans is 200 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,720 advocating that we um take that into 201 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,440 account while the longer we wait the 202 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,000 rates might increase further. So, I 203 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,920 think the rates that he was saying are 204 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:56,800 pretty close to uh the 5% right now. 205 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,040 >> I think um Robert has those pulled up so 206 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:00,480 I'll let you take that. 207 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,839 >> Okay. Yeah. So, since last time we met, 208 00:13:03,839 --> 00:13:05,920 you know, we've talked to two different 209 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,760 developments. 210 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,079 So, we talked to Northstar and then 211 00:13:10,079 --> 00:13:13,680 Desireette and we've got this 212 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:17,519 upsize cost on the See if I can get it 213 00:13:17,519 --> 00:13:18,160 pulled up. 214 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:19,839 >> All right. Do you mind sharing your 215 00:13:19,839 --> 00:13:22,160 screen on Zoom 216 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:23,279 >> or 217 00:13:23,279 --> 00:13:25,360 >> Oh, so I got to log into Zoom. 218 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:29,519 >> Yeah. Oh, there it goes. Oh, 219 00:13:29,519 --> 00:13:42,629 >> sorry. 220 00:13:42,639 --> 00:13:46,800 Okay, so that first bullet item you we 221 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,600 talked to Desired who's constructing 222 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,200 this Mac Canyon collector and then the 223 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,600 West Bank interceptor which is from 224 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,680 basically this orange line if you can 225 00:13:55,680 --> 00:13:58,480 see my cursor there to the northwest 226 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,240 lift station. 227 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:05,440 And when we talked to Northstar, their intent is just to pay their impact 228 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:10,160 fees and and their sewer flow goes 229 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,639 through the West Street collector that 230 00:14:12,639 --> 00:14:14,160 connects here. So what we've done is 231 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,360 we've got this upsize for and we've got 232 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,839 two different segments for the Westbake 233 00:14:19,839 --> 00:14:23,120 interceptor. So we've added that cost 234 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,639 into the impact fees and the sewer race 235 00:14:26,639 --> 00:14:36,230 study. That was point number one. 236 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,320 And once I made a note here that once we 237 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,639 get their engineers cost, which will be 238 00:14:40,639 --> 00:14:44,720 on contractor's bids, we'll update that. 239 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,480 And to Michael's point, this was an 240 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,040 email sent by Zans yesterday on just the 241 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,800 various updated, you know, 20 year, 25 242 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:57,519 year, 30-year uh interest rates. 243 00:14:57,519 --> 00:14:59,760 And so what we've updated was we've 244 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:01,519 updated with the 30-year loan at the 245 00:15:01,519 --> 00:15:03,839 5.052% 246 00:15:03,839 --> 00:15:08,399 interest rate and then to maintain a 247 00:15:08,399 --> 00:15:12,639 positive impact fee uh fund balance 248 00:15:12,639 --> 00:15:15,440 and uh you know meet our metrics that 249 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:16,880 we've discussed previously you know the 250 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,480 1.25% 251 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,040 debt service coverage ratio and then the 252 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:25,040 180 uh days cash on hand. We can reduce 253 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:26,639 the private bond amount a little bit, 254 00:15:26,639 --> 00:15:28,480 not as much as previously because we've 255 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,680 added that West Bank interceptor upsize 256 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,720 cost, but what we're using in the 257 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:41,509 calculation is the 28.4 million. 258 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:43,839 And then with the the bid opening today, 259 00:15:43,839 --> 00:15:48,310 the the cost is 43,700,000. 260 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,399 We've maintained the construction 261 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:51,920 contingency. 262 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,720 Uh we've got out of that comes the 263 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:56,800 million-doll engineering loan which has 264 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,040 already been paid and then we've got 265 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,279 kind of these ancillary fees you know 266 00:16:01,279 --> 00:16:04,079 the 2.4 4 million for the design and 267 00:16:04,079 --> 00:16:07,279 construction management. The uh funding 268 00:16:07,279 --> 00:16:08,720 work that Jones Deil did in 269 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,399 environmental 270 00:16:10,399 --> 00:16:13,040 inbridge gas service just extension of a 271 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,399 gas line out to the treatment plant and 272 00:16:16,399 --> 00:16:18,959 then Rocky Mountain Power their their 273 00:16:18,959 --> 00:16:24,790 service uh out to the plant as well. 274 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:26,639 And so updating that with, you know, 275 00:16:26,639 --> 00:16:27,680 everything that we previously 276 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,920 calculated, the current impact fee for a 277 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,759 3/4 inch meter, which is essentially 278 00:16:31,759 --> 00:16:36,790 single families, uh, $5,950. 279 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,920 And then it does go up slightly based 280 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:44,000 on, you know, the increase in the the 281 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,320 wastewater treatment plant and the 282 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,480 additional West Bank, you know, upsize 283 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,199 costs. And so what what we've done and 284 00:16:51,199 --> 00:16:53,600 we presented here ultimately what we're 285 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,079 trying to get is 286 00:16:56,079 --> 00:16:58,320 kind of an average at least in this next 287 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,839 fiscal year 79.25 288 00:17:01,839 --> 00:17:11,600 monthly sewer rate. Uh so we kept the base fee and then the usage fee and 289 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,439 we've got a couple different options. 290 00:17:13,439 --> 00:17:15,839 We've got a, you know, lower rate, you 291 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:21,510 know, at $40 292 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,439 and then 293 00:17:23,439 --> 00:17:26,079 kind of a medium uh base rate. And 294 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:28,240 really what this is reflecting is kind 295 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,720 of a similar 296 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:35,200 uh basically usage fee as as commercial 297 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:40,000 and then a higher base rate at $65, 298 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,360 but a lower usage fee. 299 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:45,679 So, we just kind of tried to present a 300 00:17:45,679 --> 00:17:47,919 couple different options. Those can be 301 00:17:47,919 --> 00:17:49,600 tweaked a little bit here and there, but 302 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,960 I mean ultimately you've got to pay, you 303 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,240 know, for the wastewater treatment 304 00:17:54,240 --> 00:18:05,350 plant. 305 00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:06,720 » And you can see with all of these, we're 306 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,440 trying to yeah meet the 1.25 25 debt 307 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,440 service coverage ratio and then the 180 308 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:25,990 days cash on hand 309 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:31,190 any questions 310 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,520 what did we decide let's see the average 311 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:37,039 usage of water from the months of 312 00:18:37,039 --> 00:18:40,559 November to December 5,36. 313 00:18:40,559 --> 00:18:41,280 >> Right. 314 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,440 Y 315 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,000 >> So if that were the case, 316 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,160 this last option, the low base rate 317 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,520 option, which is $40 318 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:52,160 um 319 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:56,640 >> a month starting in 2027. 320 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,720 So if you know a household's at that 321 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,000 average, so that's 7954. 322 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,240 >> Still 70 bucks. Yeah. 323 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:09,430 >> Yeah. So 75 324 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,200 if they're average. If they're average. 325 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:11,440 Yeah. 326 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:12,799 >> Yeah. But it does tell people who are 327 00:19:12,799 --> 00:19:13,520 lower. Sorry. 328 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:13,919 >> What's that? 329 00:19:13,919 --> 00:19:14,960 >> I was saying it does help people who 330 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:15,360 don't. 331 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:17,280 >> Yeah. Some that are lower. And then this 332 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,360 is the max. And this is based on, you 333 00:19:19,360 --> 00:19:21,200 know, the meter data that we've had for 334 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:22,960 last I think it I think it I mentioned 335 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,160 it there, but 336 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:40,870 yeah, it was November 2019 to 2025. 337 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,880 So you'll see fluctuations in trailer, 338 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,200 right? Just because with the different 339 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,440 base rates and usage rates just because 340 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:52,000 trailer has a larger range of of uh 341 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,760 usage 342 00:19:53,760 --> 00:20:00,549 than single family. 343 00:20:00,559 --> 00:20:02,400 I have a question which is just like a 344 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,000 generic I mean we've talked about this a 345 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,440 lot of like why don't we raise the 346 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,520 developers impact fees. So I have a 347 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,919 question of if we were to do that 348 00:20:09,919 --> 00:20:11,360 perspectively that doesn't change the 349 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:12,720 amount we need to get on a loan here 350 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,640 right there's no like if we say hey 351 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:15,760 we're going to raise impact fees for 352 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,120 developers in the future that doesn't 353 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:19,039 make us have less of a loan that we need 354 00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:21,520 to take right now. They they kind of end 355 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,280 up going hand inand, right? Because 356 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:24,799 we're projecting in the next 10 years 357 00:20:24,799 --> 00:20:26,160 like how many impact these are going to 358 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,320 be coming in based on a growth rate 359 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,240 which we try to be a little bit more 360 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:34,559 conservative just so you know you don't 361 00:20:34,559 --> 00:20:37,200 not have enough money to pay you know 362 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:38,320 >> but that's just based on a fixed rate 363 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,000 that we have right now. So like what I 364 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,600 guess my question what I'm asking is if 365 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:42,960 we were to raise those say hey in the 366 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,159 future we're going to raise these impact 367 00:20:44,159 --> 00:20:45,520 fees for developer. I know there's only 368 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,280 a certain amount we can go right there's 369 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:48,640 not like we can't say hey you're going 370 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,960 to give this cost essentially all to you 371 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,799 but if we were to do that say hey 372 00:20:52,799 --> 00:20:54,000 >> I mean we already have a projected 373 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,280 amount that we think it is but if we 374 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:56,799 were to raise those put a little bit 375 00:20:56,799 --> 00:20:58,720 more on that I guess the problem with 376 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,320 that is that we don't know. Yeah, we 377 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:00,880 just don't know. 378 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,039 >> We don't know and then we risk that not 379 00:21:03,039 --> 00:21:04,080 having that amount 380 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:05,440 >> like we discussed. I mean, we look at 381 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,840 impact fees annually and and we can 382 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:09,280 definitely look at tour rates annually 383 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,159 and adjust those accordingly. 384 00:21:12,159 --> 00:21:13,280 >> But but this number is taking into 385 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:14,480 account those impact fees that we're 386 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:15,520 expecting in the mix. 387 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:16,960 >> Yes. Yeah. 388 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,200 >> With the estimated growth rate 389 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,360 >> of what we have currently. Well, we were 390 00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:24,880 at around 2% this year and then I think 391 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,799 um we're showing something similar for 392 00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:28,799 the next year then increase 393 00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:30,080 >> three and a half if I remember correctly 394 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,919 and then and then kind of leveling off 395 00:21:31,919 --> 00:21:33,120 at four. 396 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:35,200 >> And so if that like is higher actually 397 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,799 then we just pay the loan back faster. 398 00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:37,919 Is that how then we can pay? 399 00:21:37,919 --> 00:21:39,280 >> Yeah, you'd collect more impact fees. 400 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:40,480 >> Collect more impact fees. 401 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:40,880 >> Yeah. 402 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:41,679 >> And then 403 00:21:41,679 --> 00:21:43,360 >> and you could potentially use it to pay 404 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:44,880 off the the loan faster 405 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,320 >> or we could look at the rates again. I 406 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:47,039 mean we're going to look at 407 00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:48,799 >> or or Yeah. not raise the rates as much. 408 00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:50,400 like there's yeah there's things to 409 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:51,280 consider there. 410 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:51,600 >> Okay. 411 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,600 >> Yeah. And those show up here as you know 412 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,080 other revenues in this in this 413 00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:00,870 spreadsheet. 414 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,440 » We started um a discussion I don't know 415 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,919 that we finished about if we switch to 416 00:22:05,919 --> 00:22:09,280 this usage um 417 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,600 billing 418 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,679 way I guess is it is it is there more 419 00:22:15,679 --> 00:22:18,640 cost to the city to do that? Yeah, 420 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,880 Michael, have you talked about 421 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,600 >> I guess looking at that and talking with 422 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,120 staff, we are currently doing that with 423 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:27,120 our businesses. So, we do have it 424 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:29,120 already programmed in our system. It 425 00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:30,960 will just take the time to integrate 426 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,600 that for all the other 4,000 residential 427 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,039 side of things. So, 428 00:22:35,039 --> 00:22:35,600 >> okay, 429 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,919 >> we have staff already trained on how to 430 00:22:37,919 --> 00:22:39,919 do it for the 150 businesses that we 431 00:22:39,919 --> 00:22:42,159 have. We just have to upscale that. And 432 00:22:42,159 --> 00:22:45,200 again, we do want to look at getting the 433 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,000 uh our meters upgraded to the AMI system 434 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,080 and purchasing those towers. We did 435 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,159 finally get the cost of those towers. 436 00:22:52,159 --> 00:22:54,080 We're going to need three to four and 437 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,159 those are about $18,000 for the 438 00:22:56,159 --> 00:22:58,640 equipment. And then depending on the 439 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,240 location where we can put those, if we 440 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,240 already have a tower, like at the public 441 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,480 works building, we will utilize that 442 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,559 tower. will just be the cost of that equipment installation. If we have 443 00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:11,919 to put in a like a power pole to act as 444 00:23:11,919 --> 00:23:13,760 a tower in another location, that'll be 445 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,120 the cost of the installation of that 446 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:17,919 power pole plus that equipment. 447 00:23:17,919 --> 00:23:19,840 >> So, who's paying for that equ how are we 448 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:20,640 paying for that equipment? 449 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,080 >> That will be coming out of the water 450 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,240 fund because it'll be also collected on 451 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,120 the water data and then also that's what 452 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:29,440 we'll use to calculate the sewer for 453 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,480 those months of uh November to March. 454 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,280 >> Yeah. winter usage. 455 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,679 >> And so that will help us get that daily 456 00:23:37,679 --> 00:23:41,120 um calculation because we we already 457 00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:42,720 have all the meters which is really 458 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,559 helpful for our city is we've been 459 00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:46,960 purchasing meters that can read all the 460 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,039 data daily. We just don't haven't put in 461 00:23:49,039 --> 00:23:50,960 the towers in place to collect that data 462 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,280 daily. And so we're going to look at 463 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,520 implementing that right now 464 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,200 >> to help get that in place. And so we're pretty much there and can 465 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,520 implement this usage fee pretty quickly. 466 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,280 Right now, is it just radio read? Are 467 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:04,080 you just going around? 468 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:05,840 >> Yeah, we do the radio read, but all all 469 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,760 of our meters that we purchased 470 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,919 >> can can do that and can be backwards 471 00:24:09,919 --> 00:24:12,240 compatible to collect that once we put 472 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:13,039 in the towers. 473 00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:13,679 >> Okay. 474 00:24:13,679 --> 00:24:15,120 >> And so, like I said, we need three to 475 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:15,919 four towers, 476 00:24:15,919 --> 00:24:16,240 >> right, 477 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:17,520 >> to do that. So, we're going to try to 478 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,760 take pieces of that and see what we can 479 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,559 in our water budget to purchase those at 480 00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:25,840 a time. and we have put a purchase 481 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,159 request in for one right now on the 482 00:24:28,159 --> 00:24:29,600 public works building because we found 483 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,760 that we have a budget in there for that 484 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,279 and the next budget season we'll try to 485 00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:35,440 purchase the other two or three that we 486 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,000 >> So with those towers is it pre up like a 487 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,760 staff member to not have to go out there 488 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,360 and physically 489 00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:44,960 rear or direct 490 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,679 >> I I just have a question and I'm not 491 00:24:47,679 --> 00:24:54,000 trying to be pessimistic but why are we worried about monitoring 492 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,520 those usage fees when we're collecting 493 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,400 them anyways and we're we're gathering 494 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,360 the data from November to March from the 495 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:05,360 previous year to charge individuals for 496 00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:07,120 the next coming year. 497 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:09,120 >> We only collect it once a month. 498 00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:09,679 >> Yeah, exactly. 499 00:25:09,679 --> 00:25:12,240 >> So if we miss So so you're collecting 500 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,840 them once a month, correct? You get an 501 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,440 average of November through March. 502 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:15,919 >> Y 503 00:25:15,919 --> 00:25:17,840 >> and then that's what it's based off of. 504 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:18,480 >> Yes. 505 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,480 >> So I mean you're collecting that data 506 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:21,919 anyways. Why do we need to do it in real 507 00:25:21,919 --> 00:25:23,120 time on a daily basis? 508 00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:24,480 >> Uh it makes it more accurate and you 509 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:25,360 have a better 510 00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:26,720 >> but we don't have to. If we don't need 511 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:27,760 to if we want to. 512 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,600 >> Yeah, I get the whole accuracy thing. 513 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,520 But if we're doing it and we're looking 514 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,559 behind and we're we're charging them for 515 00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:36,159 the current year, then 516 00:25:36,159 --> 00:25:37,840 >> it's a it's a twofold thing as well 517 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,520 because it benefits this but also 518 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,039 benefits your water thing as well 519 00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:41,679 because it can 520 00:25:41,679 --> 00:25:42,640 >> I understand that part. 521 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,559 >> It can help track whether you have like 522 00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:46,880 outages or [clears throat] your your 523 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,400 broken lines in your house and things 524 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:49,679 like that. So that's the other benefit 525 00:25:49,679 --> 00:25:52,080 is like a twofold benefit that we get 526 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,480 the more notice to our residents when 527 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,799 there is broken lines or things like 528 00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:59,039 that on their property and can respond 529 00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:00,799 quite quickly because right now if we 530 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:02,880 know it we're months out before we 531 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,960 notice that there's issues in their 532 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:05,279 lives. 533 00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:06,720 >> You could have a move in move out 534 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,240 situation 535 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,919 where you're collecting data on somebody 536 00:26:09,919 --> 00:26:12,240 that moved out of the home and that data 537 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,400 is being used on that piece of property. 538 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:14,799 Correct. 539 00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:15,919 >> For a new tenant. 540 00:26:15,919 --> 00:26:18,720 >> Good. if not not talking permanent 541 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,159 residence but 542 00:26:20,159 --> 00:26:33,669 >> absolutely 543 00:26:33,679 --> 00:26:35,919 obviously we're not making any decisions 544 00:26:35,919 --> 00:26:37,440 on this tonight. This is just a 545 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,320 discussion. But do we have any other 546 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,080 comments tonight? 547 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,679 >> When when will it be like I know we're 548 00:26:43,679 --> 00:26:44,080 kind of 549 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,240 >> It will be on the agenda next Wednesday. 550 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,320 Okay. Um I'm just with the interest 551 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,240 rates going up, I think we're kind of I 552 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:51,279 mean I know that kind of makes you 553 00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:52,400 nervous with what everything 554 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,159 >> we just couldn't notice it because we 555 00:26:54,159 --> 00:26:55,679 didn't open them until today. 556 00:26:55,679 --> 00:26:56,320 >> We just got them 557 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,559 >> and so it had to have the proper 558 00:26:58,559 --> 00:26:59,760 noticing. So 559 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,080 >> what we're looking for is whether or if we want to use that usage rate or do 560 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,520 we want to keep what our current base 561 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,360 rate is right now? And if we do want to 562 00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:09,760 use a usage rate, do you want to use one 563 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,400 of the proposed options here to have 564 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,240 that presented next time or is there 565 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,240 another variation that you want Robert 566 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:16,799 to? 567 00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:18,400 >> Yeah, because what we can do is we can 568 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,200 update the the actual study and then 569 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,200 have that for the next meeting. 570 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,039 >> So you can approve the rates at that 571 00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:27,200 point as well. What we're we're hoping 572 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,440 to do is next time we'll approve the 573 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,039 contract bid and then because the next 574 00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:35,679 week is notice the bond for the the 575 00:27:35,679 --> 00:27:38,480 state in order to give the state 15 or 576 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,039 $16 million we had to notice that one 577 00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:42,799 and so that's what that notice is about 578 00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:44,640 for next week to comply with the state 579 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:51,200 requirements. So, it also like the the rate um study on there and see and 580 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,279 have that all approved and that way 581 00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:56,080 we're ready to go then to go secure that 582 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,000 private bond. 583 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,720 >> So, this 28.4 that we have here that 584 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,480 that's excluding the 16. Right. 585 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:02,960 >> Correct. 586 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,480 >> Or right. 587 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:05,760 >> Yep. 588 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:11,600 >> And the 28.4's got has these contingency 589 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,080 line and the cost for those other 590 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,679 >> Yeah. It's got the contingency and it 591 00:28:15,679 --> 00:28:19,269 plus all the other 592 00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:21,679 » um the up size of that additional line 593 00:28:21,679 --> 00:28:24,320 included in this. Where is that in this? 594 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,000 >> Yeah, I should have pasted that. 595 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,640 >> Is that in survey design CM? 596 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,200 >> No, that that upsize cost. It's uh let 597 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,640 me get to it spreadsheet. 598 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,120 >> Is that included in the 28.4 or 599 00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:38,000 excluded? 600 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,600 >> It's included in all the calculations, 601 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,399 but yeah, it's it's basically right 602 00:28:42,399 --> 00:28:44,080 here. And then here's kind of the 603 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,600 percentages that would be 604 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:46,799 >> I just wanted to make sure we weren't 605 00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:47,520 missing it. 606 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,440 >> Yeah. Yeah, we got it in there. 607 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:57,110 >> Contingency. 608 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,720 And then we did, like I mentioned, we 609 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,799 did update it based on this interest 610 00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:04,159 rate that Zans sent us yesterday. 611 00:29:04,159 --> 00:29:12,789 So we updated the private bond amount 612 00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:16,320 I like the low base rate option. 613 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,960 >> I feel that's fairest too. 614 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,279 >> A lot of citizens have asked for for 615 00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:26,070 that. I think 616 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:26,399 » you want. 617 00:29:26,399 --> 00:29:28,240 >> So for the for the average home, if I 618 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,799 could just interject, for the average 619 00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:34,000 home, the low base rate with the 5,000 620 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,919 gallons used on average for those five 621 00:29:37,919 --> 00:29:40,720 months, $77 622 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:45,120 month for the medium 7775 623 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,600 and for the high 78.45. 624 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:48,320 >> So it doesn't change. 625 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:49,440 >> So it doesn't matter. 626 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:49,840 >> Yeah. 627 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:50,720 It's going to be 628 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,679 >> smoking is all that is. Albeit the 629 00:29:53,679 --> 00:29:54,960 single woman 630 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,799 >> who's a widow 631 00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:00,399 >> who doesn't use hardly any water at all. 632 00:30:00,399 --> 00:30:02,480 >> Um maybe a thousand gallons a month, it 633 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:03,600 does affect her. 634 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,440 >> Yeah. Even less than that. 635 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,279 >> Yeah. She Yeah. I mean 636 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:08,480 >> or somebody who goes out of town for a 637 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,960 month and is winter visitor whatever. 638 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:11,600 >> 50. 639 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:12,240 >> Exactly. 640 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,000 >> Yeah. They would make quite less than 641 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:14,640 that. 642 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,880 >> Yeah. I mean, it does it it's almost, 643 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,320 you know, $80 a year, you know, if it's 644 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,159 somebody that a lower amount. Yeah. For 645 00:30:24,159 --> 00:30:26,000 a single family resident. 646 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,840 >> $80 a year or $80 a month 647 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:28,320 >> a year. 648 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,360 totally different savings. 649 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,039 >> Savings. Yeah. 650 00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:34,399 >> I just think that's the only way we can 651 00:30:34,399 --> 00:30:35,520 I mean, yeah, we could say everybody 652 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,520 gets paid charges the same, but then, 653 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,520 you know, at least this is a little bit 654 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:40,640 Some people are going to pay more, some 655 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:41,279 people are going to pay a little bit 656 00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:42,720 less. Everybody's actually probably 657 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:43,840 going to pay pretty close to the average 658 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,279 of what it is anyway. So, it probably 659 00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:47,600 was this close to that number anyways. 660 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:48,799 But, I mean, I don't want to tell like, 661 00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:50,559 hey, we're giving you a low base rate, 662 00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:51,840 but then really it's actually higher 663 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,520 than something, you know, this is what 664 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:54,880 we need, though. We're not going any 665 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,240 higher than what we actually need. We're 666 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,600 not going to say, oh, we'll give you 667 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:58,960 this low base rate, but then actually it 668 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,039 looks like smoking mirrors. That's we 669 00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:02,399 don't want to do that. This is just what 670 00:31:02,399 --> 00:31:04,159 we need though to cover these costs. 671 00:31:04,159 --> 00:31:05,760 >> Yeah. I mean, you you need to hit 672 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,520 because the city's mostly single family 673 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,559 resident residential, you'll need to hit 674 00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:13,120 that average and and it's about I mean, 675 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,480 you can see it kind of changes a little 676 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,320 bit, but it's like we're trying to hit 677 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,640 is 79.25. 678 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,279 Yeah, somewhere in there. 679 00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:24,080 Here's a uh a what if question because 680 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,360 we're going to have lots of what if 681 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,000 questions, but what do you do to the 682 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,360 farmer in Grantsville who brings home 683 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,399 his cows, his 100 head of cows, and he 684 00:31:34,399 --> 00:31:37,840 waters them during the winter months and 685 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,880 he uses 20,000 gallons a month, but it's 686 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,240 not flowing to the sewer treatment 687 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,039 plant. How do you how do you measure 688 00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:48,240 that? How how do you um I mean, how 689 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,480 would we go about something like that? 690 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,279 some really good question exemption 691 00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:55,242 because you're going to have a a few 692 00:31:55,242 --> 00:31:56,880 [clears throat] individuals that are are 693 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,320 going to have that that you know 694 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,480 obviously been around a long time. 695 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:01,760 >> I think you could put them on a base 696 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,840 rate fee like if they were a new move in 697 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,679 and then they'd have to come to council 698 00:32:05,679 --> 00:32:07,600 or have to come to a staff and we could 699 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,120 make some agreement to do that and they 700 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,880 would pay the difference in the like 701 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,000 what the water overall fee would be then 702 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,679 set their base rate for the rest of the 703 00:32:15,679 --> 00:32:18,399 year at that set base rate that we have 704 00:32:18,399 --> 00:32:20,240 and metrics of. So I think that might 705 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,720 solve that problem 706 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,960 >> because don't kid yourself. I mean it's 707 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,880 just one example but you're going to 708 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,720 >> you're you're going to have individuals 709 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,080 that are having example like that. 710 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:31,760 >> Same thing with an accidental that like 711 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,760 we don't the meter freezes and it's our 712 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,880 side or different things like that. 713 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,440 >> Yeah. 714 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,000 >> Is the I'm I'm wondering I understand 715 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,240 the fairness issue and and I like that. 716 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,080 I'm wondering though, is is this going 717 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,480 to be an administrative nightmare when 718 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,039 you have all these different scenarios 719 00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:56,640 or somebody's leaking or somebody's got 720 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,600 the person who brought the cows in and 721 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,919 they're watering them and they had no 722 00:33:01,919 --> 00:33:04,799 idea that they needed to come and talk 723 00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:06,399 to this like then we're going to be 724 00:33:06,399 --> 00:33:08,559 going backwards in trying to solve all 725 00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:10,159 this. It sounds to me like it's going to 726 00:33:10,159 --> 00:33:13,200 take a lot of staff time or has the 727 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,880 potential. 728 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,960 I guess Christie, how does that handle? 729 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,360 Like when they're only watering cows, 730 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,840 they don't have a sewer bill. 731 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:22,480 >> Well, they do. 732 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,559 >> Well, if they do, if it's at the house at the house. 733 00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:27,679 >> Yeah. 734 00:33:27,679 --> 00:33:29,760 >> It just depends if those is that a far 735 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,200 out exception or is that going to be the 736 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,840 majority and then Yeah, that would have 737 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,679 definitely not going to be the majority. 738 00:33:35,679 --> 00:33:37,120 But I think that there's a lot of people 739 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,840 in town who have horses, who have those 740 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,760 like this isn't going to be like three 741 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:47,840 people. This is going to be several households that have 742 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,559 these different 743 00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:52,240 I mean it it wouldn't have to be your 744 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,080 horse or it could be all kinds of 745 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,880 different livestock that you would have 746 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,080 water usage but not sewer usage. So I 747 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,240 don't I'm just throwing that out. I 748 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:02,480 don't 749 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,320 >> I think the only then it's like then the 750 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:05,679 everybody gets the same rate without the 751 00:34:05,679 --> 00:34:07,120 base. It's just you know we go back to 752 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,159 the other one. That's the only way to 753 00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:09,520 say, "Hey, everybody just pays the 754 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,440 same." Right. That would take care of 755 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:12,560 that problem of 756 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:13,679 >> But then there's the equality for the 757 00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:14,000 women, 758 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,599 >> right? Exactly. Right. Or Yeah. 759 00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:19,359 >> But is it really saving? Are we saving 760 00:34:19,359 --> 00:34:21,200 them that much money? Yeah. I mean, I 761 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,000 don't know. 762 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,440 >> I mean, some people want to fix them 763 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:23,839 income. 764 00:34:23,839 --> 00:34:24,560 >> Yeah, it is. 765 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,399 >> It could make it could make all the 766 00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:26,800 difference. 767 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,440 >> Yeah. I think you're talking 50 versus 768 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:30,480 80. 769 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:31,679 >> But I also think maybe that's why 770 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:33,119 getting the towers would be more helpful 771 00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:34,879 because we can monitor that, right, a 772 00:34:34,879 --> 00:34:36,879 little bit better to say, "Oh, wait. Why 773 00:34:36,879 --> 00:34:38,879 is this person using so much water? What 774 00:34:38,879 --> 00:34:40,480 is going on? Is there a leak? Are they 775 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:41,599 watering something? Maybe we need to 776 00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:43,599 notify them. Hey, you're using a lot of 777 00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:44,639 water. What's happening? 778 00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:46,079 >> It would give us that ability to do 779 00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:47,119 that. You do that. 780 00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:49,200 >> We do that. You do that already. Oh, 781 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:50,000 okay. 782 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,399 >> So, maybe not on a quick scale. It's 783 00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:53,359 delayed 784 00:34:53,359 --> 00:34:54,079 >> because you only have 785 00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:55,839 >> Is it delayed about a month? Is that 786 00:34:55,839 --> 00:35:00,630 right? Yeah. Okay. 787 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,160 » Um I do have a question. So, just 788 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,640 educate me. Why did we go with a 30-year 789 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,680 term instead of the 25 or 20? And how 790 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,200 would that affect rates if we switched 791 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,200 it to one of a 20 or 25 year? 792 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,960 >> The rates would go up because then 793 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:17,440 you're not 794 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:18,560 >> got to pay it off faster. 795 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:19,760 >> You got to pay it off faster. 796 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,599 >> So your payments higher. 797 00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:24,800 >> Yeah. Because then uh let's see here. 798 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,599 >> Kind of right in here. Your your debt 799 00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:29,680 service, right? That goes up. That's 800 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,000 more. So then your rates go up more. 801 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:42,790 like a half a million dollars. 802 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,960 » I guess I have an educational question, 803 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,720 too. So, we've talked about even tonight 804 00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:50,560 raising the impact fees, and I know it 805 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,880 can only be at a certain percentage. 806 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,960 Where are we? Are we close to that 807 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,720 certain percentage or are we well below 808 00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:01,680 that? Where are we? Well, so we've we've 809 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,760 increased it about about $200 and it's 810 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,680 and really it's it's based a lot of it's 811 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,240 based on for sewer the what the capacity 812 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:12,960 is of that line, what's remaining, you 813 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,119 know, what's what basically in the 814 00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:18,320 10-year planning period, what what those 815 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,839 the new development coming in, what 816 00:36:19,839 --> 00:36:22,160 they're going to use of that capacity. 817 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:23,440 So, you will, you know, as long as 818 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,359 there's capacity in that line, you will 819 00:36:25,359 --> 00:36:27,119 have buying in the future for like the 820 00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:29,200 treatment plant, right? You got about a 821 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,280 million gallons per day on average going 822 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,400 into existing. So there's twothirds of 823 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,079 the treatment plant that you can't pay 824 00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:38,079 for it all right away with impact fees 825 00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:38,960 just because you're not going to have 826 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,880 that growth in the next 10 years. But as 827 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,440 long as there's capacity and buy in, you 828 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:44,880 can pay, you know, you can pay use 829 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,000 impact fees to pay for that. 830 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,599 >> And when we say impact fees, that's can 831 00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:51,119 we only increase it for the sewer part 832 00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:53,520 for the developers? Maybe I'm do I 833 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:54,400 because that's what you were saying. 834 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:55,920 It's impact fees for the developers. 835 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,200 that because they're buying into the 836 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,400 sewer. So, we're saying, "Hey, we're 837 00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:59,440 going to raise your rates for this." 838 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,839 >> Yeah. They're basically they're they're 839 00:37:01,839 --> 00:37:04,079 either building either the developers 840 00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:06,160 building it, the city's building it, but 841 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:07,440 they're building projects. And then if 842 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,359 there's any excess capacity in the any 843 00:37:09,359 --> 00:37:11,280 existing projects like sewer lines or 844 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,440 any of that, then they pay for their 845 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:18,950 proportionate share of those projects. 846 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,440 » Yes. And this the sewer impact fee. 847 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:21,839 >> Yeah. 848 00:37:21,839 --> 00:37:23,040 >> Not the water or anything else. 849 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,640 >> Yeah. say we can't raise everything on 850 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,800 them and say you're going to pay a lot 851 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,560 more because we want the money. We can 852 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,400 only do it in specifically. 853 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,400 >> Yeah, we're limited on kind of how how 854 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,400 we can raise it. We've got to look at a 855 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:35,440 bunch of different things. 856 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:36,480 >> Yeah. 857 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,800 >> When was the last increase? Was it last? 858 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:39,760 >> Sure. 859 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,320 >> Last July, August, 860 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,079 >> like the rate increase 861 00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:47,200 >> rate increase and the impact last July, 862 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,040 >> right? July or August. 863 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,040 >> And that's when this one would go would 864 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:51,680 take effect. 865 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:56,710 >> Yeah. will be in July. 866 00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:59,280 » Just another educational question. The 867 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:00,640 weird thing about talking about 868 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,359 upgrading the Vegas Street sewer line is 869 00:38:03,359 --> 00:38:06,320 that's probably one of our newer lines. 870 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:07,040 I mean, 871 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,599 >> uh, let's see. Or the the north, let me 872 00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:11,520 get it open. 873 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,760 >> I would think that when the Walmart was 874 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,000 put in, I mean, I remember that line 875 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,240 going in. So, are we saying that that's 876 00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:21,839 already not big enough or outdated? So 877 00:38:21,839 --> 00:38:25,119 it's not it's so this West Bank will 878 00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:27,200 remove some capacity on it because the 879 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,720 West Street collector that was going to 880 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:31,520 Northwest interceptor and Hulie Street 881 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,079 will be off of it. So there'll be some, 882 00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:35,839 you know, additional buy in on the north 883 00:38:35,839 --> 00:38:38,720 the existing Northwest interceptor. 884 00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:41,839 So there is some capacity in it, but not 885 00:38:41,839 --> 00:38:45,119 enough capacity for all the units that 886 00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:46,960 are going up up here, right? Like 887 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,079 there's just not not enough at all. 888 00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:52,710 >> Okay. 889 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:54,960 So there still is some buyin cost for 890 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,760 that Northwest interceptor. 891 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:02,000 So the upsizing is that there we will 892 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,440 have pioneering agreements and that will 893 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,760 come before council here not too soon 894 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,160 for those areas up there. And anything 895 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:09,520 that's above and beyond what they have 896 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,599 to pay for that the city believes we 897 00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:13,280 need to upsize is that would be the 898 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,960 city's portion proportional share of 899 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,240 that upsized cost. And so like if we 900 00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:20,880 want to upsize it to accommodate all of 901 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,520 the houses below in ivory home and every 902 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,000 other smaller developer, that's why we 903 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,839 want to upsize it while it's there so we 904 00:39:27,839 --> 00:39:29,520 don't have to do it later and it's more 905 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,160 expensive. And so that's why when we 906 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,599 have these opportunities to do these 907 00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:35,760 pioneer agreements, sometimes it is 908 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,359 really beneficial for the city to take 909 00:39:37,359 --> 00:39:47,510 advantage of that. 910 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:52,000 Remind me what size the developers are 911 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,440 required to put in and what are we 912 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,240 upsizing to. 913 00:39:56,240 --> 00:40:01,119 So it's a it's a 36 inch and their 914 00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:04,079 capacity we we've calculated is about a 915 00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:06,160 quarter of that. 916 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,280 So yeah, I I I don't have that. I can 917 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,839 give you the size it would have been, 918 00:40:11,839 --> 00:40:14,160 but I don't have that handy right now. 919 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,960 Yeah, 920 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,750 >> I think 921 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,000 I heard you said Northstar was just 922 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,760 going to pay through pay for it through 923 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,760 their impact fees, but it was 924 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,839 Desireette. What did they say? I didn't 925 00:40:29,839 --> 00:40:31,839 catch that. 926 00:40:31,839 --> 00:40:33,520 >> The Desireette development. So yeah, the 927 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,200 Desert Development's essentially paying 928 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,119 for the construction of Matt Canyon 929 00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:39,280 Collector and this whole West Street or 930 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,440 West Bank interceptor, 931 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,119 >> but not the upsize. 932 00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:56,550 >> Yeah, they not the upsize. Yep. 933 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,240 » Back to the rates. I think that the 934 00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:01,760 heartburn that um I have [clears throat] 935 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,319 um as a council member and as a citizen 936 00:41:04,319 --> 00:41:08,640 is is that the impact fee goes up 4.1% 937 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,960 for 3/4 inch and the the uh the the rate 938 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:13,839 for 939 00:41:13,839 --> 00:41:14,240 >> right 940 00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:18,079 >> for um for a for individual homeowner if 941 00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:20,800 they use 5,000 gallons 942 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,280 um goes up 43%. 943 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:30,983 That's pretty discouraging. 944 00:41:30,993 --> 00:41:47,829 » [clears throat] 945 00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:49,760 » Anyone have anything else they'd like to 946 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,240 discuss on this item tonight? 947 00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:56,160 >> Yep. So why are and we're not increasing 948 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,599 non-residential at all in any of these? 949 00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:01,599 >> It's going up at the same percentage. 950 00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:02,160 >> Oh, it is. 951 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:07,510 >> Yes. 47%. 952 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,440 » Is your annual increase is that is that 953 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,000 for the non-residential or for the 954 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:12,640 residential? 955 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,680 >> For both. Yeah. 956 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,599 >> Yeah. Essentially, this does go up 957 00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:20,319 47.85%, right? But you're there wasn't a 958 00:42:20,319 --> 00:42:24,160 usage fee. So it it it goes up from, you 959 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:25,920 know, on average for a single family 960 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,760 residential, you know, goes up that 47%. 961 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,200 >> Yeah, that's what I figured. 962 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:32,000 >> Yeah. 963 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,599 >> And I guess that's that brings up a 964 00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:34,880 great question because if we look at the 965 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,680 non-residential, they're almost at $100. 966 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,599 And do we want to adjust that to have a 967 00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:41,359 higher usage fee and a lower base rate 968 00:42:41,359 --> 00:42:53,349 fee as well? 969 00:42:53,359 --> 00:42:55,599 Yeah, this is what nonmet residential 970 00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:57,760 just on average based on the winter 971 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:02,880 months would use kind of high or low 972 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:12,790 average high. 973 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,200 » That would be our like churches, school 974 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,599 businesses. And so we want to make sure 975 00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:19,440 we don't overcharge our business. 976 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,839 because we want to be yes accommodating 977 00:43:21,839 --> 00:43:23,040 to that because hopefully in the future 978 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,480 we get more businesses that will help 979 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,240 offset the residents costs 980 00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:28,480 [clears throat] 981 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,359 >> and non-residential as a reminder it was 982 00:43:31,359 --> 00:43:33,119 not I mean the city's just well you 983 00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:37,359 mentioned the 150 there's just not that 984 00:43:37,359 --> 00:43:40,560 >> or something like 985 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:41,280 between two and three 986 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:42,319 >> but it's not going to be like that 987 00:43:42,319 --> 00:43:44,615 forever though that's the thing 988 00:43:44,615 --> 00:43:45,680 [clears throat] but we're not deciding 989 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,839 that tonight like hopefully in a year 990 00:43:47,839 --> 00:43:49,680 you can readjust it So that's the 991 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:50,960 question is 992 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,480 >> this is going to impact your your 993 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,200 businesses and so they are going to that 994 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,079 the 150 that are there right now they're 995 00:43:58,079 --> 00:43:59,359 going to be paying this. So, do we want 996 00:43:59,359 --> 00:44:01,119 to adjust it for them as well at this 997 00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:03,599 point? Keep them on that higher rate 998 00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:05,440 until we adjust it next year or the year 999 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:06,880 after. [clears throat] I think that that 1000 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,000 definitely should be a point of 1001 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,030 consideration. 1002 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:14,640 And then whatever direction you want us 1003 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,560 to come back with on the rates for to 1004 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,200 present next next week, I think is what 1005 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:24,630 we're we're looking for. Right. 1006 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:25,839 So, sorry Michael, but were you 1007 00:44:25,839 --> 00:44:27,920 suggesting go a lower base rate for the 1008 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,359 non-residential? Is that what you were 1009 00:44:29,359 --> 00:44:30,000 saying? 1010 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,119 >> And then the higher usage. 1011 00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:32,720 >> I mean, it's the smok and mirror kind 1012 00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:34,800 of. But it does. 1013 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,000 >> We're trying to come up with the same 1014 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,119 number just using different math. 1015 00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:40,720 >> It's common core math, 1016 00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:45,109 >> right? [laughter] 1017 00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:46,400 » But we don't want to scare businesses 1018 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:47,839 away. So maybe we want to do the smoking 1019 00:44:47,839 --> 00:44:50,800 mirror for them a little bit. 1020 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,319 Well, I think it's I mean if we're doing 1021 00:44:52,319 --> 00:44:53,680 the same for residents, I think it makes 1022 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,520 the same I mean this the percentage is 1023 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,920 the same for both. Correct. Yeah. So 1024 00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:58,560 >> I agree. 1025 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:03,589 >> Seems fair. 1026 00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:05,359 » We don't have very many small businesses 1027 00:45:05,359 --> 00:45:07,280 in town. I'd like to make sure that 1028 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,560 we're not hurting them any more than 1029 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:09,839 we're hurting everybody else. 1030 00:45:09,839 --> 00:45:11,920 >> My thing is they're only the like 3% 1031 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,079 right now. So I almost said that it's 1032 00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:15,680 not going to be much if you keep it the 1033 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,920 same right now or pretty similar to the 1034 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,760 residential side. But we can relook at 1035 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,599 this once we get more into we're going 1036 00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:23,440 to look at this every year, right? 1037 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,760 >> Yeah. 1038 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,359 >> So, it just seems like I mean it seems 1039 00:45:27,359 --> 00:45:29,520 like we've heard from the widow. Seems 1040 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,119 like we're saving the widow six bucks. 1041 00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:35,966 In turn, we're charging the Hammond $6 1042 00:45:35,966 --> 00:45:39,190 [laughter] more. 1043 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,680 And and so just 1044 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,200 we just haven't really heard from the 1045 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,520 city what's best for the city. And so, 1046 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,200 if I'm reading it right, we we really 1047 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,280 don't care. or we can do it either way. 1048 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,280 >> Yeah, because ultimately on on average 1049 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,280 we're just trying to kind of those 1050 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:54,319 average 1051 00:45:54,319 --> 00:45:55,599 >> I think from what R was saying the 1052 00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:57,119 numbers were really like we're talking 1053 00:45:57,119 --> 00:45:59,359 dollars here. It's not like somebody 1054 00:45:59,359 --> 00:46:00,240 >> big of a deal. 1055 00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:01,359 >> Yeah, 1056 00:46:01,359 --> 00:46:04,400 >> I think with Yeah, because for the city 1057 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,400 we we have to pay the bill so that we 1058 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,000 don't get fined by the state. I think 1059 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,359 where we're at and so 1060 00:46:09,359 --> 00:46:11,359 >> we prefer to have it as low as possible 1061 00:46:11,359 --> 00:46:13,040 for all the residents and our businesses 1062 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,000 and we're hoping to again I mean find 1063 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,359 other alternatives. We're going to go 1064 00:46:17,359 --> 00:46:18,720 back to try to apply for the state 1065 00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:22,079 because this proposed bonding will allow 1066 00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:25,040 us to to callable any time so that we 1067 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,359 can go and try to get that refinanced or 1068 00:46:27,359 --> 00:46:29,599 get extra funding for that. So that is 1069 00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:32,480 going to be our our task at at the staff 1070 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,160 level is try to go after that extra 1071 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,040 funding. So if you do approve it next 1072 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,119 week and we go forward, we're still 1073 00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:40,240 going to go after all the different 1074 00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:42,240 funding. We talked to the state and the 1075 00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:45,760 four uh house bill 492 is available. 1076 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,839 they have hundred million dollars in 1077 00:46:47,839 --> 00:46:49,920 that one and we're going to go try and 1078 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,560 at least apply for it to try and get um 1079 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,079 difference. They did say that that is a 1080 00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:55,599 lower interest rate. It's more of about 1081 00:46:55,599 --> 00:46:59,280 a two right now and so if we can secure 1082 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,280 that that would save us millions in in 1083 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,760 the long run. So we are going to go try 1084 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,160 with this option with the the callable 1085 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,079 any time in this thing. I think staff 1086 00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:10,000 would recommend that we do proceedings 1087 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,240 with this option right now is is the 1088 00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:15,599 best we've seen and that we do be tasked 1089 00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:17,599 to go and try to find other alternatives 1090 00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:19,680 to reduce that in the future and then 1091 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,760 review this every year. [clears throat] 1092 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:22,960 >> That when we met with the state 1093 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,079 yesterday regarding that um the 1094 00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:28,319 application for that is due on May 6th 1095 00:47:28,319 --> 00:47:30,880 and they hope to have 1096 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:36,000 um awards on that by midsummer. So that 1097 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,000 would be soon like we could readjust 1098 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,240 hopefully sooner than next year. 1099 00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:41,680 >> And then that one and then we'll also 1100 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,720 try to reapply for the um the place we 1101 00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:47,119 got the $16 million will go after that 1102 00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:48,960 one as well. 1103 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:53,119 >> That um so these rates would 1104 00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:55,839 start in July of this year, right? For 1105 00:47:55,839 --> 00:47:56,640 2027, 1106 00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,000 >> correct? 1107 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,640 So between now and then if things did 1108 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,720 change we can readress this obviously 1109 00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:04,240 and 1110 00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:04,960 >> could yeah 1111 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,520 >> yeah depending upon you know what we 1112 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,760 could get from the state in terms of 1113 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,760 >> and then you know next year you 1114 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,839 >> for a lesser amount that's correct 1115 00:48:13,839 --> 00:48:15,359 >> and next year you may not need to raise 1116 00:48:15,359 --> 00:48:19,430 it as much right yeah 1117 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,079 » as far as the rates concerned do we look 1118 00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:24,319 at multiple vendors for that or do we 1119 00:48:24,319 --> 00:48:27,280 kind of lock in with one vendor you Um 1120 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,480 I'm curious. I mean we we chose Zans in 1121 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:31,760 this situation 1122 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,119 >> but Zans actually was through a diff he 1123 00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:37,040 found us the loan through a different 1124 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,280 company altogether 1125 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:40,319 like a broker right now. 1126 00:48:40,319 --> 00:48:42,960 >> So he goes out looks at the market and 1127 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:43,760 you have this 1128 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,760 >> and I think with all these terms because 1129 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,760 they're getting the callable any time 1130 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,079 and this low rate and then it's like a 1131 00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:52,400 set amount for that time period. He's 1132 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,079 saying that that's really good because 1133 00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:55,920 going out on the market you may not you 1134 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,520 may get a lower rate but not callable 1135 00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,359 anytime but you can't go refinance. So 1136 00:48:59,359 --> 00:49:01,040 this kind of meets all your criteria 1137 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:06,950 right now 1138 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,599 » and you can refinance a bond if rates go 1139 00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:11,760 down. We could refinance and save that 1140 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:12,400 way too. 1141 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,400 >> Yes. With this one because any time 1142 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:15,040 absolutely 1143 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,079 >> yeah that would be important. 1144 00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:20,800 >> Mhm. But for that you typically play a 1145 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,400 little bit of a higher interest rate to 1146 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,079 kind of cover that 1147 00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:25,359 >> usually. But that's why we're saying 1148 00:49:25,359 --> 00:49:27,359 this one they've given us a decent rate 1149 00:49:27,359 --> 00:49:29,760 right now before the rates go up. And so 1150 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,760 if we can act on that and start the 1151 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,800 process obviously between now and when 1152 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,319 we actually get all the paperwork in 1153 00:49:36,319 --> 00:49:38,240 order and do that. There's going to be a 1154 00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:41,280 difference between what it is. And so 1155 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,359 again, if we can get funding in the 1156 00:49:43,359 --> 00:49:46,400 meantime, we'll offset that by that or 1157 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,160 wait until we get all the funding rolled 1158 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:49,839 in together and then refinance it all at 1159 00:49:49,839 --> 00:49:51,200 that point. I mean, we're definitely 1160 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,359 going to look at this and try the best 1161 00:49:53,359 --> 00:49:54,880 we can to reduce this as much as 1162 00:49:54,880 --> 00:50:00,790 possible. 1163 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,520 » Okay. Anything else we want to discuss 1164 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:04,640 on the sewer rate study? 1165 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,559 >> So, I guess are we going to go with the 1166 00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:09,200 low base rate? Actually, do we want to 1167 00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:10,800 go with the usage fee? I'm assuming then 1168 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,000 and not just the back to the flat fee as 1169 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,000 a consensus. 1170 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,559 >> That would be my and I think we lose use 1171 00:50:18,559 --> 00:50:20,559 the low base rate option. 1172 00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:23,520 >> Okay. 1173 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,760 >> As well or anything? I I wouldn't I'd 1174 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,920 hesitate to go lower than that, but 1175 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,520 >> And you want to adjust the the 1176 00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,160 residential non-residential 1177 00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:37,269 to not be so high on that base? the base 1178 00:50:37,269 --> 00:50:39,280 [clears throat] because right now as is 1179 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,200 going to be a $100 where the residential 1180 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:45,040 base on the low rate would be 55. 1181 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:46,880 >> Do you want it to I mean we'll it won't 1182 00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,119 do you want it exactly comparable or do 1183 00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:50,319 you want it obviously a little higher 1184 00:50:50,319 --> 00:50:52,079 for the commercial and we can have 1185 00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:53,839 Robert adjust that so it's more 1186 00:50:53,839 --> 00:50:55,520 practical that lower rate. 1187 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,920 >> I think it needs to be more practical. 1188 00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:58,319 Okay. 1189 00:50:58,319 --> 00:51:00,079 >> So 1190 00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:03,119 I mean with that average usage with what 1191 00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:06,880 you have there I mean that's It's a $170 1192 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,800 water bill for that average 1193 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:15,109 business, right? 1194 00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:18,549 So, 1195 00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:20,240 all right. Then we'll we'll look at the 1196 00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:21,760 low rate and make some adjustments and 1197 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,400 bring that to council next week. Thank 1198 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,400 you. 1199 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,240 >> Okay. Thank you, Robert, for all your 1200 00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:32,400 efforts on this and Aspen today, the 1201 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,359 opening of the bids, and hopefully by 1202 00:51:35,359 --> 00:51:36,720 next Wednesday, we're ready to move 1203 00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:42,559 forward. I know this is a big investment for the city, but it 1204 00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:45,440 has to be done. So, um, we'll close item 1205 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,839 number four and move on to number five, 1206 00:51:47,839 --> 00:51:50,000 which is a public hearing item, a 1207 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,599 consideration of resolution 2026-15 1208 00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:55,040 approving a land swap between 1209 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,760 Grantsville City and Dave and Teresa 1210 00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,455 Reed. 1211 00:52:00,455 --> 00:52:10,870 [clears throat] 1212 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,720 Mayor Hammond, council members, my name 1213 00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:15,280 is Susan Johnson. Um I live at 291 North 1214 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,319 Koulie Street. I've been a a volunteer 1215 00:52:18,319 --> 00:52:20,240 with the Clark Historic Farm Group for 1216 00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:22,640 13 years since we started. And I'm here 1217 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,960 to make a statement on behalf of the 1218 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:26,640 executive board and the advisory board 1219 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,640 of the Clark Historic Farm about the 1220 00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,520 land in question. We feel that this land 1221 00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,280 is a view corridor to a very important 1222 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,040 historic and cultural site. Well, 1223 00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,440 several of them from the ancient past. 1224 00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,040 Stansbury Island, Lake and Lake 1225 00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,280 Bonavville to the establishment of 1226 00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,640 Grantsville farming in the salt plant 1227 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,280 and also to modern times families 1228 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,480 recreating together um and Clark Farm 1229 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,440 events with the natural views of Desert 1230 00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,119 Peak, the Clark Farm in Stansbury 1231 00:52:57,119 --> 00:52:59,119 Island. There is a tremendous 1232 00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:01,920 opportunity to create a natural park, 1233 00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,000 walking paths, benches, interpretive 1234 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,200 signing, signage, and open areas where 1235 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,319 people can connect to the past, present, 1236 00:53:10,319 --> 00:53:12,720 and future Grantsville. 1237 00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:14,640 This park would anchor and enhance the 1238 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,240 work that has already been done at the 1239 00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:18,559 Clark Farm, making a more significant 1240 00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:20,480 impact to preserve the feel of 1241 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,200 Grantsville among all the new growth. 1242 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,839 Um, personally, 1243 00:53:25,839 --> 00:53:28,720 a personal aside, um, I'm not native to 1244 00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:30,400 Grantsville. We moved here, but we've 1245 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,359 lived here for almost 19 years now and, 1246 00:53:33,359 --> 00:53:35,520 uh, have been fairly heavily involved in 1247 00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:36,800 community events, and we've seen it 1248 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,880 change in the in the last 19 years since 1249 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,599 we've been here. And, uh, I mean, 1250 00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:43,920 sometimes it's a little bit nostalgic to 1251 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,000 look back in 19 years ago to the 1252 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,200 Grantsfeld that was here and uh, and see 1253 00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,040 how it's changed. But honestly, the 1254 00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:52,880 Gross has brought a lot of really great 1255 00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,280 people to Grantsville. But it's very 1256 00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,599 important, I think, to preserve what 1257 00:53:57,599 --> 00:54:01,040 there is left of the um history of 1258 00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,559 Grantsville. That's one of the things 1259 00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:05,680 that our group is dedicated to 1260 00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:11,119 preserving. And um this area is this land this this land that we're 1261 00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:13,359 talking about is adjacent to our 1262 00:54:13,359 --> 00:54:15,680 property, the Clark Farm, and it's 1263 00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,200 already owned by the city. I mean, I 1264 00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,680 think it would be such a an amazing 1265 00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:20,960 opportunity for the city with a 1266 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,280 relatively small investment and could 1267 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,640 impact potentially in the future tens of 1268 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,800 thousands of people. So, I would urge 1269 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,880 you to take that under consideration 1270 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,200 when you make your decision. Thank you 1271 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,160 very much. Thank you. Anybody else that 1272 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:37,760 would like to make a comment regarding 1273 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:53,349 this um item or anyone online? 1274 00:54:53,359 --> 00:54:55,200 see any other items. Is there somebody 1275 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,240 from the city staff that will be um 1276 00:54:58,240 --> 00:55:00,960 presenting this item or are we just 1277 00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:01,920 ready for a discussion? 1278 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,359 >> I can present if there's any other 1279 00:55:03,359 --> 00:55:03,839 questions. 1280 00:55:03,839 --> 00:55:05,200 >> Does anyone have any additional 1281 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:06,559 questions? I know we've talked about 1282 00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:09,760 this before. [clears throat] 1283 00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,839 So, I guess it's time for a discussion. 1284 00:55:11,839 --> 00:55:13,680 And 1285 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,760 >> are we voting on this tonight? 1286 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,839 >> Uh, yes. 1287 00:55:17,839 --> 00:55:18,720 >> I do. 1288 00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:20,000 >> Are we? Yes. 1289 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,040 >> I don't know. [laughter] 1290 00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,200 >> It is on the agenda unless you want to 1291 00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:23,680 for 1292 00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:24,480 >> Well, it is. 1293 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:25,839 >> There was a public comment I think that 1294 00:55:25,839 --> 00:55:26,880 we got in the email that somebody said 1295 00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,040 they didn't have enough time 1296 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:30,400 that we received that they wanted more 1297 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,559 time to look to redo this. Am I wrong? 1298 00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:34,960 >> Yes, it has been noticed for 14 days. 1299 00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,520 Okay. So, 1300 00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,359 >> so we're allowed to make a decision. 1301 00:55:39,359 --> 00:55:39,920 >> Sorry. 1302 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:41,280 >> We can make a decision. 1303 00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:42,880 >> Absolutely. 1304 00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,640 >> If we choose to. Okay. 1305 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:45,920 >> Because there there has been some 1306 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,079 concern that this is the historic Clark 1307 00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:50,160 Farm and that if you look from the 1308 00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,280 historic Clark Farm down the the pathway 1309 00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,960 that this back portion creates that view 1310 00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,559 of that past historic Clark Farm. if we 1311 00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:03,599 get rid of that or swap this portion 1312 00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:06,079 that that deal will be obscured with a 1313 00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:07,520 development or other things like that 1314 00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,160 that's put on there. And so I I do want 1315 00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:11,920 to point out that that they we met with 1316 00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:13,920 them on site and walked through and 1317 00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:15,440 looked at their concerns and we want to 1318 00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,760 make council aware that that would be a 1319 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,520 factor that would be giving up is that 1320 00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,520 view would be shortened to the backside 1321 00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,079 of that property. And then the adjoining 1322 00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:26,960 piece is not directly in line of the 1323 00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,960 view of where the Clark Farm 1324 00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,680 historically has been. 1325 00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:35,440 Um, and that's uh I sure I'm not 1326 00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,920 addressing it to what they their 1327 00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:39,760 expectation is, but that is in a 1328 00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,720 nutshell what their concerns are. 1329 00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:45,680 >> Um, I did go view the property as well, 1330 00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,520 which is I'm I'm more of a visual, so 1331 00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,040 this lot of maps, not super helpful to 1332 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:53,200 me, but driving it, what my concern is, you know, the Reed property does 1333 00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:54,559 have a lot of I don't know if it's a 1334 00:56:54,559 --> 00:56:56,079 business or whatever these things are. 1335 00:56:56,079 --> 00:56:57,920 There's a lot of vehicles, trailers, 1336 00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,760 whatever. If that were to move, they 1337 00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:00,960 were to move that closer. I don't know. 1338 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,000 Again, I don't know if it's a business, 1339 00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,839 but if that were to be closer to the 1340 00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:05,200 Clark Farm and that's what the back is 1341 00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:06,720 of the Clark Farm or a development or 1342 00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:09,119 something, it does your I mean, and I 1343 00:57:09,119 --> 00:57:10,480 know that sometimes just development is, 1344 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:11,839 you know, the Clark Farm only has a 1345 00:57:11,839 --> 00:57:14,079 certain area, but I would be concerned 1346 00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:15,920 about that like, you know, being at 1347 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,040 event and that's what you're seeing is 1348 00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,119 in your backyard is trailers and trucks 1349 00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:22,480 and I don't know. I on the other hand, I 1350 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,160 don't know, you know, I get the point of 1351 00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,319 leaving it as just a city park. I don't 1352 00:57:26,319 --> 00:57:28,079 know that that's our best use of the 1353 00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:30,240 land. Um, but I totally I mean I get 1354 00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:31,920 what they're saying too. Maybe you know 1355 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,240 that view is is pretty it's nice. It's 1356 00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,040 you know it keeps the farm feel more in 1357 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,280 place. I just don't know for the city if 1358 00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,440 having it a park is the best option. But 1359 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,440 I do have concerns if that moves there. 1360 00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,839 We are taking away that that view and it 1361 00:57:45,839 --> 00:57:47,680 does again I don't know what the 1362 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,079 intentions are but that could I see how 1363 00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:51,839 that could not be good for them and 1364 00:57:51,839 --> 00:57:58,069 their business. I guess 1365 00:57:58,079 --> 00:57:59,599 those are just my thoughts, 1366 00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:00,240 >> right? 1367 00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,020 >> It was when when I it was it's very 1368 00:58:02,020 --> 00:58:02,720 [clears throat] 1369 00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,280 there's a lot of the deep dips in this 1370 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:06,400 land 1371 00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:07,200 >> was 1372 00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,040 >> a ride. 1373 00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:10,960 >> So I don't know what we you know we 1374 00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,440 talked about last time that the land we 1375 00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:14,960 would be getting is in better shape 1376 00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,680 essentially right than I don't know. Is 1377 00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:18,240 it 1378 00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:19,599 >> correct? [clears throat] It's flatter. 1379 00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:21,599 >> It's flatter. I guess I didn't go see 1380 00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:23,119 the other side too well, but I 1381 00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:25,200 >> mean it all slopes, but it is flat. 1382 00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:26,240 >> Yeah, 1383 00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:27,680 >> flat's relative, right? 1384 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,185 >> I I think Yeah, flat's relative. 1385 00:58:30,185 --> 00:58:31,200 [laughter] 1386 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:32,079 >> I think 1387 00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:34,160 >> we are on Earth globe. So, 1388 00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,440 >> the the concern I have and I just um you 1389 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,000 know, we and I vocalized it, you know, 1390 00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,359 when we when this came up for discussion 1391 00:58:43,359 --> 00:58:47,119 early on is that it isn't a acreage for 1392 00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:50,240 acreage. Um I know 1393 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,440 when we're talking about a roadway um or 1394 00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,200 a potential roadway that would be done 1395 00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,000 later 1396 00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:02,240 um that those would align better um 1397 00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,680 meaning the acreage would align better. 1398 00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:10,079 I I the way the ordinance is written 1399 00:59:10,079 --> 00:59:12,640 uh where that would be decided 1400 00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,440 or that would be tied to a future 1401 00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,760 product for the city. I don't know that 1402 00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,960 I like that in my opinion. I don't like 1403 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:22,720 to if we're going to do an agreement, 1404 00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:28,400 it'd be nice if it was clean and cut and not something that would be hinged 1405 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,240 on something that could get transferred 1406 00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,079 to another owner or to another owner or 1407 00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:34,000 to another owner. And maybe that you 1408 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,400 know, I'm just saying maybe not happen, 1409 00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:37,839 but that would just be something to 1410 00:59:37,839 --> 00:59:43,670 think about in my opinion. So, 1411 00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,160 » Rat, Derek, uh, Jeff, do you have 1412 00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:47,119 opinions on this? 1413 00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:50,000 >> Yeah, I have a question about the, um, 1414 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:53,280 the easement access on the norththeast 1415 00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,799 side and whether or not that access is 1416 00:59:56,799 --> 01:00:00,480 truly owned by Grantsville City or not. 1417 01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:05,200 So, I had a question about that. I I I 1418 01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,839 too went to the side and drove around 1419 01:00:07,839 --> 01:00:09,920 there and saw that there was an access 1420 01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:11,280 on the north end which I didn't know 1421 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,240 that that that existed. So if you scroll 1422 01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,760 up a little bit 1423 01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,160 >> on the right hand side or the east side 1424 01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,200 >> right right there next to 1425 01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:24,640 >> Cliff Gardener. Is that where you're 1426 01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,640 referring to 1427 01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,119 and [clears throat] 1428 01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:31,040 >> it doesn't show on the map there but 1429 01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:32,640 there's definitely an access road. 1430 01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,440 There's there's been an easement cut in 1431 01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,160 there. I just was curious 1432 01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,160 um as to whether or not that is 1433 01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:44,160 Grantsville City's access to that parcel 1434 01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:47,440 and if that access would continue and if 1435 01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,319 um if the Reeds are expecting that 1436 01:00:50,319 --> 01:00:55,589 access as well. Maybe 1437 01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:57,680 » I believe there is an access. I think 1438 01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:59,680 from what Shelby was saying and what she 1439 01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:01,680 was researching it was a horse trail. 1440 01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,119 So, I don't know if it's a full-blown 1441 01:01:03,119 --> 01:01:06,000 road access. We'd have to look into that 1442 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:10,240 further. I believe the Reeds uh we as a 1443 01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:11,760 city would want them to connect that 1444 01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:13,359 those roads to make a cohesive 1445 01:01:13,359 --> 01:01:15,760 development. And I'm assuming that I 1446 01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,040 believe the Reed's intention, they're 1447 01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:18,319 here and they can speak for themselves 1448 01:01:18,319 --> 01:01:20,400 on that is that they want to sell the 1449 01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,559 property to developer and we work the 1450 01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:23,839 developer [clears throat] getting that 1451 01:01:23,839 --> 01:01:26,079 access. But I think in transferring the 1452 01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:30,640 land, we would want to make sure that would be 1453 01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,160 written in there that that would be an 1454 01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:33,520 access point. 1455 01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,079 >> So in the property description, it in 1456 01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:39,040 our property description that's it lists 1457 01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:40,799 that access in 1458 01:01:40,799 --> 01:01:42,319 >> as a trail as a horse trail 1459 01:01:42,319 --> 01:01:43,119 >> as a trail. Yeah. 1460 01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:45,040 >> Okay. 1461 01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,440 >> And I believe Shelby was saying there is 1462 01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,680 a distance for an access point. If we 1463 01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:51,680 need to, then there is that land 1464 01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,079 available. We could look at that. But 1465 01:01:54,079 --> 01:01:56,960 there is right now an axis, but it's not 1466 01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,200 like very large. 1467 01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,760 >> So that war street could potentially be 1468 01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:02,559 >> come straight down, 1469 01:02:02,559 --> 01:02:03,599 >> extended through. Correct. 1470 01:02:03,599 --> 01:02:04,799 >> Mhm. 1471 01:02:04,799 --> 01:02:06,240 >> Either way. 1472 01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:07,680 >> whether we do this or whether we don't. 1473 01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,520 >> Correct. 1474 01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:10,720 You [clears throat] can see that uh 1475 01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,559 Cliff Gardner, I mean, he's got his 1476 01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:15,760 fence moved all the way over. I mean, I 1477 01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,599 don't I mean, his boundary line is not 1478 01:02:17,599 --> 01:02:20,160 where his fence line is. 1479 01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:25,109 So 1480 01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:26,880 that's what I saw there was just just 1481 01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:28,720 the access 1482 01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:30,240 and if this is not the right time 1483 01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,559 council can we can hold off on doing 1484 01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:48,470 this and wait [clears throat] 1485 01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,119 me again how we acquired This parcel, 1486 01:02:51,119 --> 01:02:53,280 this particular parcel I guess Shelby 1487 01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,200 was the one who presented. Zoom would 1488 01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:55,839 remember. 1489 01:02:55,839 --> 01:02:58,559 >> I do not. Do you remember, Bill? 1490 01:02:58,559 --> 01:03:00,000 >> This particular parcel is part of the 1491 01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:01,599 Clark Farm. 1492 01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:04,319 >> Well, how did Brownsville City obtain 1493 01:03:04,319 --> 01:03:08,950 this piece of property? 1494 01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:10,960 » They purchased it from Joe Cage. 1495 01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:12,079 >> Okay. 1496 01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:13,839 >> He's the one that built the subdivision 1497 01:03:13,839 --> 01:03:15,920 down there. He bought the Clark farm 1498 01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,319 from the Clark, one of the Clark's 1499 01:03:18,319 --> 01:03:21,039 nieces. who inherited it. She sold it to 1500 01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:23,599 Joe Cage. 1501 01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:26,160 >> She also sold all of the Davenport and 1502 01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:27,920 Northwell property that they owned to 1503 01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,920 Joe Cage. 1504 01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:33,520 >> I'm curious if this um property was 1505 01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:37,359 deed over to us due to open space for 1506 01:03:37,359 --> 01:03:40,480 the development that 1507 01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:46,150 this Palamino Ranch, right? 1508 01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,480 » I don't know the answer to that, Rick. I 1509 01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,119 mean, that would make sense. I mean, did 1510 01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:52,799 we did we think of that in the early 1511 01:03:52,799 --> 01:03:54,400 2000s 1512 01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,960 >> um when these were being built? 1513 01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:58,240 >> I I don't know the answer to that 1514 01:03:58,240 --> 01:03:59,839 question, but it would make sense to me 1515 01:03:59,839 --> 01:04:02,160 that that's how we 1516 01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:07,359 inherited the land essentially was 1517 01:04:07,359 --> 01:04:09,359 it was due to to open space and that was 1518 01:04:09,359 --> 01:04:24,230 the intent behind it. So, 1519 01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,240 Yeah, if that's the case, we would need 1520 01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,880 that information or at least I would 1521 01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,680 before I'll vote. So, 1522 01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,319 >> okay. So, then I recommend that we table 1523 01:04:34,319 --> 01:04:35,680 this until we get that information, 1524 01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,160 bring it back on the agenda, 1525 01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,720 >> unless someone feels otherwise. 1526 01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,200 >> I don't. 1527 01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:46,240 Anybody else have any comments before we 1528 01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:47,920 >> any other concerns or questions you want 1529 01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:49,599 us to bring back? 1530 01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:51,680 >> I think just specifically the history of 1531 01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:55,039 it because if it was if if there was an 1532 01:04:55,039 --> 01:04:57,119 agreement based on open space and we're 1533 01:04:57,119 --> 01:04:59,280 selling it or breaking that agreement 1534 01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:01,599 from prior councils. So 1535 01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:03,599 >> there there's a lot of big lots down 1536 01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:05,920 there with all those homes. I they're 1537 01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,000 all one acre, some are halfacre parcels, 1538 01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,839 but majority of them are acre plus. And 1539 01:05:11,839 --> 01:05:14,400 I mean there really isn't a there isn't 1540 01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:15,599 a park no 1541 01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:17,839 >> anywhere near there. And I'm just 1542 01:05:17,839 --> 01:05:19,599 curious if that was the intent behind 1543 01:05:19,599 --> 01:05:20,880 there. And 1544 01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:24,960 >> and if we move that up to the south up 1545 01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,520 the up the up the slope or the slight 1546 01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,000 hill to the south are we taking that 1547 01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,079 away from what its intended use would 1548 01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:36,079 have been or for those citizens. 1549 01:05:36,079 --> 01:05:37,440 Has everyone had a chance to go down 1550 01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,520 there? You said you went and you went, 1551 01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:41,599 Derek, you went. You live there? 1552 01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:43,920 >> I live there. [laughter] 1553 01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:45,760 >> You walked out in your basement. 1554 01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:47,680 >> Just go for a little walkabout. 1555 01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,000 >> We do every free night. 1556 01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,480 >> So we walk up through the cemetery. So 1557 01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:52,960 yeah, 1558 01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:54,160 >> there were actually quite a few people 1559 01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:56,319 walking when I went when we went 1560 01:05:56,319 --> 01:06:00,240 >> on that on that parcel of ground. Huh? 1561 01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,319 >> Around the cemetery and on that access 1562 01:06:02,319 --> 01:06:03,280 road. 1563 01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:06,319 >> Interesting. On Rafal Lane then going 1564 01:06:06,319 --> 01:06:08,240 down. I've been down there several times 1565 01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:11,680 and I think only one time has there not 1566 01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:15,039 been at least one person walking if not 1567 01:06:15,039 --> 01:06:18,000 multiple on those trails. So 1568 01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,160 >> we need more trails. [laughter] 1569 01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,445 >> There will be always more trails. 1570 01:06:22,445 --> 01:06:23,440 [clears throat] There there was no one 1571 01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:26,160 there when I went though. But that was 1572 01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:29,039 middle of the day. So I'm sure people 1573 01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:32,000 have to work. But I when I drove down 1574 01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,319 around there, like I just saw a lot of 1575 01:06:34,319 --> 01:06:36,160 potential what the city could do with 1576 01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,960 it. It's not the best terrain, but just 1577 01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:40,960 the natural feel of like the pathways 1578 01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:44,079 that are already there and the curvature 1579 01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:46,160 like you could put, you know, ponds in 1580 01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:47,760 just there's a lot of stuff that the 1581 01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:51,039 city could do with that. And 1582 01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:54,079 I just I it would be really hard for me 1583 01:06:54,079 --> 01:06:58,000 to want to do the swap after going down 1584 01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,880 there and seeing what it it really is 1585 01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:01,920 looks like down there. 1586 01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,720 >> Yes. 1587 01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:09,109 >> Got it with you. 1588 01:07:09,119 --> 01:07:09,599 » Yes. 1589 01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:10,960 >> But but I would like to know what the 1590 01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:11,760 intention was. 1591 01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,160 >> Yeah. we can look at the history and see 1592 01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:16,400 how we acquired that parcel, 1593 01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,680 specifically that parcel, and if it was 1594 01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,240 due to the the development 1595 01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,559 um surrounding it to the east and to the 1596 01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:27,920 north. Um I think it would be good 1597 01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:29,680 information for us to have. 1598 01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:31,760 >> I'll get that council. 1599 01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:34,480 >> I'll make a motion we table um item 1600 01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,200 number five, which is resolution 1601 01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,839 2026-15. 1602 01:07:39,839 --> 01:07:43,280 >> I'll second. We have a a motion to table 1603 01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:45,440 by council member Butler and a second by 1604 01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,160 council member Dalton. All in favor? 1605 01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:49,760 >> I I 1606 01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:54,390 >> Okay, we will table item number five. 1607 01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,200 Number six, discussion regarding an 1608 01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:58,960 interlocal agreement between Twilla 1609 01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:00,880 County School District and Grantsville 1610 01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:02,720 City. 1611 01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:14,710 Should have a paper there. 1612 01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:19,110 As you all know, um 1613 01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,040 the school district has been using the 1614 01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,839 city's park for 1615 01:08:23,839 --> 01:08:28,159 the eternity of Grantsville. So, um it 1616 01:08:28,159 --> 01:08:30,640 yesterday I was there at the at the 1617 01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,600 fields. There were baseball games going 1618 01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:37,040 on, softball games going on, soccer game 1619 01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:38,719 and tennis, and there was a volleyball 1620 01:08:38,719 --> 01:08:42,080 game in the gym. So, you can imagine 1621 01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,640 what the parking situation and the 1622 01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,600 traffic situation was on Cherry Street. 1623 01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:49,279 All of those were school uses. 1624 01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:51,600 Obviously, they can use the gym in for 1625 01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,279 the volleyball game. That's nothing to 1626 01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:55,520 do with us, but 1627 01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:59,279 we've got to figure out 1628 01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:02,880 some a new agreement. This is just the 1629 01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:06,719 traffic is just not safe and the usage 1630 01:09:06,719 --> 01:09:09,120 for the fields. I think when I was 1631 01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,679 growing up here, this worked out just 1632 01:09:11,679 --> 01:09:15,199 fine. But 30 years later, it's a 1633 01:09:15,199 --> 01:09:16,799 different Grantsville than it was then. 1634 01:09:16,799 --> 01:09:19,839 And the number of residents there are 1635 01:09:19,839 --> 01:09:22,000 three. How many did they did they tell 1636 01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,400 us with the Grantsville baseball? Did 1637 01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,319 anybody remember the number they shared 1638 01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:30,880 with us? I believe 350 1639 01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:31,359 kids. 1640 01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:32,000 >> Little League. 1641 01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:33,359 >> Yeah. Signed up for Little League. 1642 01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:34,480 Something right around there. 1643 01:09:34,480 --> 01:09:36,400 >> 50 48 or 50 1644 01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:38,319 >> 52. 52 for the older 1645 01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:40,319 >> for the older division that want to use 1646 01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:41,920 the 1647 01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:43,600 >> the high school builds. 1648 01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,880 >> Yeah. So, 52 kids signed up for uh 1649 01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:48,880 baseball that are between the ages of 12 1650 01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:53,839 and 15 and they do not have a field to 1651 01:09:53,839 --> 01:09:55,679 use because the high school is using the 1652 01:09:55,679 --> 01:09:58,080 field. I understand the need for the 1653 01:09:58,080 --> 01:09:59,280 high school to use the field. There's 1654 01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:01,280 not another option. 1655 01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:05,600 So, how do we move forward with this 1656 01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:07,760 agreement? They are waiting for us to 1657 01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,159 return the agreement to them. 1658 01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:12,159 So, 1659 01:10:12,159 --> 01:10:15,840 >> so the discussion was is that this this 1660 01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,239 uh agreement would be in we don't have a 1661 01:10:18,239 --> 01:10:20,320 current agreement in place. 1662 01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:21,920 >> This agreement was drafted by the 1663 01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:23,199 district. 1664 01:10:23,199 --> 01:10:25,360 >> Um 1665 01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:28,640 and so the the goal was one to get an 1666 01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:30,880 agreement in place for the current year 1667 01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:34,960 and then determine as a council or as a 1668 01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:38,480 city what we want to do for subsequent 1669 01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:40,560 years. Um 1670 01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:42,640 Heidi mentioned that this has become 1671 01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:46,080 increasingly more difficult with 1672 01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:50,159 just no playing space obviously and so 1673 01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:52,159 um 1674 01:10:52,159 --> 01:10:54,480 the conversations were had you know what 1675 01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:56,080 are you know from from the district 1676 01:10:56,080 --> 01:11:03,280 level what what specifically does what is Grantsville asking and so 1677 01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:06,000 um what was discussed is they could 1678 01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:07,760 continue to use the fields for this year 1679 01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:09,600 but next year they'll have to find 1680 01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,080 another place to play. 1681 01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:20,080 So, um and that that goes for the soccer area, it goes for the 1682 01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,640 softball area and for the baseball area. 1683 01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:28,320 Now, all of that obviously is up for 1684 01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:31,840 discussion. It's just, you know, it's 1685 01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:35,760 been a shared 1686 01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:37,440 success. 1687 01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:38,960 I guess you could call it a success 1688 01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:41,600 because it has been. Um it's pretty 1689 01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:48,640 amazing the programs we've been able to come out of Grantsville um both, you 1690 01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,520 know, with the limited space that they 1691 01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:55,199 have to play. So, but what's become more 1692 01:11:55,199 --> 01:11:58,159 increasingly harder to manage is the 1693 01:11:58,159 --> 01:12:01,120 fact that it is a city facility and 1694 01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:03,679 everyone wants to use it and not 1695 01:12:03,679 --> 01:12:05,280 everyone can use it when the school 1696 01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:09,040 district is using it. So, and it's just 1697 01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:15,830 become more of a conflict. 1698 01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:17,600 So are are by with this are we just 1699 01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,120 saying hey you can use ours and we can 1700 01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:21,199 use yours because it's saying that we're 1701 01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:22,640 going to have access to the their school 1702 01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:23,120 as well. 1703 01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:24,400 >> Just a little just a little more 1704 01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:26,000 background on that. So the little league 1705 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,080 football program for Grantsville has 1706 01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,640 used the back practice field 1707 01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,480 >> um for forever 1708 01:12:32,480 --> 01:12:35,280 >> and 12 or 13 years 14 years as long as 1709 01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:36,560 it's been a little league. 1710 01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:39,679 >> Yes. And so this year they are planning 1711 01:12:39,679 --> 01:12:41,679 to take because there is such limited 1712 01:12:41,679 --> 01:12:43,440 parking in the high school parking lot, 1713 01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:46,960 they are taking the portables out of the 1714 01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:50,000 parking lot and they are moving um kind 1715 01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,320 of more of a permanent pod system. It 1716 01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:55,360 will be eight or 10 classrooms onto the 1717 01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,040 practice field of the high school. So 1718 01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:59,760 just um just behind the high school onto 1719 01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,719 the practice field. So, they have now 1720 01:13:02,719 --> 01:13:04,560 um informed the Little League football 1721 01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,440 that they will no longer be able to use 1722 01:13:07,440 --> 01:13:10,320 um that area. And so, now they're 1723 01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:13,679 without without somewhere to play, which 1724 01:13:13,679 --> 01:13:15,440 is a problem we've still got to solve. 1725 01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:16,880 >> Actually, I did speak with Are they 1726 01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:18,080 going to go with Desireette Peak? 1727 01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,080 >> They are. They did secure the Desireette 1728 01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:21,600 Peak for next year, 1729 01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:22,239 >> but his 1730 01:13:22,239 --> 01:13:24,000 >> So, they'll have to go off and on with 1731 01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:24,880 Desireette Peak. 1732 01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,040 >> Yeah. They only get four games is what 1733 01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:28,880 but but they have 1734 01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:30,800 >> worked it out where they can go there 1735 01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,280 for next year and make it work. But 1736 01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:34,159 they're 1737 01:13:34,159 --> 01:13:35,840 >> I mean obviously I think they would love 1738 01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:38,080 a place in Grantsville to be able to do 1739 01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:42,320 that. So something that the current 1740 01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:43,920 president and I had a discussion about. 1741 01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:44,480 So 1742 01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:47,750 >> Okay. Anyway, 1743 01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:49,920 » but but I guess what I'm saying like 1744 01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:51,679 what I'm reading here like we can use, 1745 01:13:51,679 --> 01:13:53,360 you know, this the gym and stuff or the 1746 01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:54,960 socialable in our stuff and then, you 1747 01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:56,560 know, we're letting them use the cherry 1748 01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:57,520 the parks for that. 1749 01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:59,360 >> Yeah, for the socialable they pay for it 1750 01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:00,480 specifically. Um 1751 01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:02,719 >> the city does or is the city does? 1752 01:14:02,719 --> 01:14:04,080 >> The city sponsored event. 1753 01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:06,560 >> Oh, they Yeah, there it comes out of 1754 01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,280 their comes out of their little Miss 1755 01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:09,840 Grants. 1756 01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:11,440 >> So Miss Grantsville and Little Miss 1757 01:14:11,440 --> 01:14:12,960 Grantsville are the only things they are 1758 01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,120 not charging for. Is that correct? 1759 01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:16,640 >> I believe that's the one in here and 1760 01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:18,640 that's the that's the only sponsored 1761 01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:20,719 city sponsored event. So 1762 01:14:20,719 --> 01:14:22,239 >> it said something about police training 1763 01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:22,800 too. 1764 01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:24,480 >> But yes, we don't have a inter 1765 01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:26,320 interlocal agreement with the school. We 1766 01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:29,280 never have as a city and so we felt that 1767 01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:30,560 was important to actually get something 1768 01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:33,040 in writing to kind of sort out liability 1769 01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:34,640 and different things like that. 1770 01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:38,480 >> Okay. So but um I know like do we have 1771 01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:39,840 the right of first refusal on these 1772 01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:41,760 fields? Like if it or we just saying hey 1773 01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:43,360 you right now the baseball fields are 1774 01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:44,719 taken over by them right that's what 1775 01:14:44,719 --> 01:14:45,280 we're saying 1776 01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:49,120 >> I think the district refusal so we don't 1777 01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,199 love this language this is what they 1778 01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:53,120 this is what this is what they proposed 1779 01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:53,840 to us 1780 01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:54,320 >> okay 1781 01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:56,239 >> and so we're asking for for [laughter] 1782 01:14:56,239 --> 01:14:58,719 council's input on what you would like 1783 01:14:58,719 --> 01:15:01,040 to see and how long you want this to be 1784 01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:02,960 do you want this to be a year and then 1785 01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,199 say your offer failed or whatever that 1786 01:15:05,199 --> 01:15:06,400 we're going to have a separate agreement 1787 01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:09,600 later how does the council fill and want 1788 01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:10,719 that relationship together. 1789 01:15:10,719 --> 01:15:11,840 >> I feel like this needs to be very 1790 01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:13,679 temporary just to get something on books 1791 01:15:13,679 --> 01:15:15,440 right now so we have that on paper, but 1792 01:15:15,440 --> 01:15:17,920 I feel like we need to do something more 1793 01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,000 permanent, you know, 1794 01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:20,880 >> like a plan. 1795 01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:22,560 [laughter] 1796 01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:25,199 >> Wow. It's just Yeah, we need a plan. I 1797 01:15:25,199 --> 01:15:27,040 mean, like I I think right now we have a 1798 01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:27,760 problem. 1799 01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:29,920 >> Staff is in agreement. 1800 01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:31,199 I'm just saying I think right now we do 1801 01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:32,400 need to get something figured out 1802 01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:34,080 because right now it's a problem 1803 01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:35,520 >> and so we need something but I think it 1804 01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,760 needs to be temporary until we can get 1805 01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:38,880 an actual plan 1806 01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:40,560 >> because I think how it's written is how 1807 01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:42,880 they've it's kind of how it's been in 1808 01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:44,719 the past and so if you want to make any 1809 01:15:44,719 --> 01:15:47,920 changes to how it's been we can make 1810 01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:49,280 some red lines and that's kind of what 1811 01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:50,800 the discussion is is what do you want to 1812 01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:52,880 see in that okay it's a year what do you 1813 01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,040 want to see right now and then what do 1814 01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:59,199 we not want to to do in the future after 1815 01:15:59,199 --> 01:16:00,880 I so I have a question might be for 1816 01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,120 Christy too. We can help. I know in the 1817 01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:06,000 past the high school teams really 1818 01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:07,600 maintained those fields for a while or 1819 01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:09,600 did a lot of work on them. Is that still 1820 01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:11,600 true or is the city are we mowing it 1821 01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:13,520 doing everything? I know the coaches 1822 01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:14,480 >> during season. 1823 01:16:14,480 --> 01:16:15,679 >> Okay. 1824 01:16:15,679 --> 01:16:18,159 >> Both teams. 1825 01:16:18,159 --> 01:16:22,880 >> Yeah. So currently the district is 1826 01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,520 mowing and taking care of the fields 1827 01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:28,400 variation in parts of the fields. 1828 01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:29,679 >> Yeah, just the fields themselves. 1829 01:16:29,679 --> 01:16:30,400 >> Just the fields. 1830 01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:31,679 themselves. 1831 01:16:31,679 --> 01:16:35,120 >> Yep. Just the big field, softball field, 1832 01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:38,000 and inside the soccer field. So 1833 01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:39,679 >> no, at the start of the year, the 1834 01:16:39,679 --> 01:16:41,199 softball team and the baseball team and 1835 01:16:41,199 --> 01:16:43,120 they did it this year again because I 1836 01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:45,760 was I have a kid on the team. No, they 1837 01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,000 fertilize ariate 1838 01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:49,280 during season 1839 01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:51,760 >> and then we take it on 1840 01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:53,679 >> and those we probably want to insert a 1841 01:16:53,679 --> 01:16:55,520 map with this to kind of define those 1842 01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,679 areas a little bit better. 1843 01:16:57,679 --> 01:16:59,120 >> Yeah. So, there's some service that 1844 01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:01,600 starts out the gate, the teams provide 1845 01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:03,120 some service, they try to get it ready 1846 01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:04,800 and 1847 01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:07,360 um that took place. But yeah, the the 1848 01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:09,199 overall 1849 01:17:09,199 --> 01:17:11,360 the that is one thing that they are 1850 01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:13,199 currently doing. you know, they're 1851 01:17:13,199 --> 01:17:15,679 fertilizing it and 1852 01:17:15,679 --> 01:17:17,360 I mean, we're watering it with our water 1853 01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:19,120 and 1854 01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:21,280 everything. So, I So, it's really just 1855 01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,440 fertilizing and mowing essentially, 1856 01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:25,199 >> right? Because we're still months 1857 01:17:25,199 --> 01:17:26,400 >> for three months. Yeah. 1858 01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,719 >> Did you have a question there? 1859 01:17:28,719 --> 01:17:31,120 >> Well, I think the the thing that causes 1860 01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:33,760 all heartburn is 2A, right? 1861 01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:35,840 >> And just this whole district shall have 1862 01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:38,000 first right of refusal. And I understand 1863 01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:41,280 for games that are scheduled and for for 1864 01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:42,880 practices. 1865 01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:44,963 Um, but I think both Eric and 1866 01:17:44,963 --> 01:17:47,120 [clears throat] I can attest to the 1867 01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:49,199 struggle between 1868 01:17:49,199 --> 01:17:52,880 um really practices ending and them 1869 01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:55,440 lingering, especially on the softball 1870 01:17:55,440 --> 01:18:00,880 field and then baseball teams trying to to get in a practice or to start a 1871 01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:04,719 game even as games start on on those 1872 01:18:04,719 --> 01:18:07,199 dates. And I think we've worked really 1873 01:18:07,199 --> 01:18:10,719 well together, at least the the those 1874 01:18:10,719 --> 01:18:13,120 bodies that govern um the uh the 1875 01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:14,159 baseball league, the little league 1876 01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:16,400 baseball league um in the past in 1877 01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:19,120 coordinating games to not be on nights 1878 01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:20,640 when they're going to have games and go 1879 01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:24,880 late. Um but [clears throat] 1880 01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:30,080 just to to have a to have a coach and I love our softball coach, but to 1881 01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:31,920 have a coach tell you, "No, you can't 1882 01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,640 get on my field until this time right 1883 01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:38,080 here." and you know we've you know given 1884 01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:39,520 them plenty of time. They they started 1885 01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:42,000 at 2:45 or whatever 1886 01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,239 >> and [snorts] we can't get on that field 1887 01:18:44,239 --> 01:18:46,800 until 5:15. So it has been a struggle in 1888 01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,840 the past. Um it's I mean what was that 1889 01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,774 10 years ago when we were involved? 1890 01:18:51,774 --> 01:18:52,320 [clears throat] 1891 01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:52,880 >> Yeah. 1892 01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:53,199 >> So 1893 01:18:53,199 --> 01:18:54,960 >> well baseball and softball season are 1894 01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:57,199 super intense as far as scheduling as 1895 01:18:57,199 --> 01:18:58,400 well. You know that 1896 01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:00,400 >> we know what that schedule is going into 1897 01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:02,880 from the perspective of little league. I 1898 01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:04,400 guess just like the 1899 01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:07,120 >> I understand, you know, superseded and 1900 01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:09,280 first right of refusal. 1901 01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,760 Um, but there's needs to be some sort of 1902 01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:14,159 language in there that talks about 1903 01:19:14,159 --> 01:19:16,880 collaboration. Um, or or something to 1904 01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:20,080 that effect, I would think, to where 1905 01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:22,320 it's not 1906 01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:24,159 it just sounds like they're the the end 1907 01:19:24,159 --> 01:19:26,480 all be all, the almighty 1908 01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:29,600 um iron fist, so to speak, where it's 1909 01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:31,040 our where it's, you know, it's our 1910 01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:33,199 property. And I understand that it's 1911 01:19:33,199 --> 01:19:35,120 their property as well, but I don't 1912 01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,840 think we use their property as much as 1913 01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:39,360 they use ours. 1914 01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:41,440 >> No, we use it for Miss Grantsville and 1915 01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:43,679 Little Miss Grantsville to not be paid. 1916 01:19:43,679 --> 01:19:45,520 The other every other time 1917 01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:47,679 >> you have to pay. Has to pay. So why 1918 01:19:47,679 --> 01:19:48,560 that's sitting in there? 1919 01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:50,719 >> So I guess you want us to write it more 1920 01:19:50,719 --> 01:19:52,960 reflecting the that it's more of a 1921 01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:55,440 Grantsville favorable contract. 1922 01:19:55,440 --> 01:19:57,840 >> That the city park belongs to us. That's 1923 01:19:57,840 --> 01:19:58,640 what we want it to 1924 01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:00,960 >> I guess for the for right now. work. Is 1925 01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:02,960 there a timeline you want this to last 1926 01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:04,320 for a year and then all the other things 1927 01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:05,840 kick into effect? 1928 01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,480 >> I Yeah, I think it might be worth saying 1929 01:20:08,480 --> 01:20:10,080 the comment that was made in the 1930 01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,880 discussions is there's a high 1931 01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:14,480 possibility they won't sign this 1932 01:20:14,480 --> 01:20:18,320 agreement anyways. So, um 1933 01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,200 >> they 1934 01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:21,199 [laughter] 1935 01:20:21,199 --> 01:20:22,880 we haven't we haven't put any comments 1936 01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:24,560 in this so far yet. 1937 01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:29,520 >> This was their draft. So, I just I'm just stating what was stated. 1938 01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:31,199 So I think because I think it's just 1939 01:20:31,199 --> 01:20:34,719 good to know. Um not saying I agree or 1940 01:20:34,719 --> 01:20:37,040 disagree with 1941 01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:38,880 my my opinions or anything like that. 1942 01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:40,400 This is what they presented. I wanted to 1943 01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:42,320 present it to you. 1944 01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:43,679 >> I'm wondering why that comment was 1945 01:20:43,679 --> 01:20:45,120 >> I think I mean I think historically 1946 01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,600 there's just been a hey this this is 1947 01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:48,800 >> this is how it's been done. 1948 01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:49,679 >> Yeah. And 1949 01:20:49,679 --> 01:20:52,640 >> they want to keep that way you know 1950 01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:56,630 >> the handshake. 1951 01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:58,191 » I'm trying to find the right words. 1952 01:20:58,191 --> 01:21:00,000 [laughter] 1953 01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,800 Um it was yeah this is just kind of how 1954 01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,120 it's worked and now it's become more 1955 01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:07,679 difficult meaning you know that we've 1956 01:21:07,679 --> 01:21:10,960 become more difficult maybe as a city to 1957 01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,280 >> and and I'm and I'm trying not to offend 1958 01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:15,920 anybody or but I I I'm just stating kind 1959 01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:17,360 of what was stated. 1960 01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:19,120 >> Um 1961 01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:20,640 >> and 1962 01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:22,640 you know the the the hard part in this 1963 01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:25,199 whole thing is that is that that 1964 01:21:25,199 --> 01:21:27,920 actually didn't come from the city side 1965 01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:29,440 originally. came from the district 1966 01:21:29,440 --> 01:21:31,440 saying that, you know, we now the little 1967 01:21:31,440 --> 01:21:32,960 league is the little league has created 1968 01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:35,540 an issue for us and we need fields. We 1969 01:21:35,540 --> 01:21:36,640 [clears throat] could use the park for 1970 01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:38,000 fields, but we can't use the park for 1971 01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,320 fields because there's soccer games 1972 01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:42,560 going on on the on the on the fields. 1973 01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:46,159 So, um, which creates the issue, which 1974 01:21:46,159 --> 01:21:47,679 compounds the issue. So, it's it's 1975 01:21:47,679 --> 01:21:50,880 pretty complex, but I think I think the 1976 01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:53,199 and you my opinion is that we we ought 1977 01:21:53,199 --> 01:21:55,199 to go through this and if there are 1978 01:21:55,199 --> 01:21:56,719 things that we don't agree with, we we 1979 01:21:56,719 --> 01:21:58,400 can redline them and present it back. I 1980 01:21:58,400 --> 01:21:59,840 think the ear the quicker we get an 1981 01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:01,440 agreement in place, the better off. 1982 01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:03,199 There isn't really anything that that 1983 01:22:03,199 --> 01:22:05,600 specifies. I I mean I was asking 1984 01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:09,840 questions if so if if you know we have a 1985 01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,239 baseball player that breaks his ankle in 1986 01:22:12,239 --> 01:22:14,400 a hole water hole is he going to come 1987 01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:15,920 after the city or is he going to go 1988 01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:17,760 after the school district 1989 01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:18,960 >> and after the city 1990 01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:20,719 >> that's yeah because we own it 1991 01:22:20,719 --> 01:22:21,040 >> right 1992 01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:23,040 >> but we're but who's maintaining it? Is 1993 01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:24,400 the school district maintaining it? 1994 01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:25,520 Yeah. But is there agreement? No, 1995 01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:26,800 there's not agreement. So none of those 1996 01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:28,320 answers are great. 1997 01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:31,280 >> Um and so I think we do need something 1998 01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:32,400 in place and we should have had 1999 01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:34,400 something in place. quite frankly, they 2000 01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:36,400 should have pushed to have something in 2001 01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:37,760 place. The school district should have 2002 01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:40,480 pushed to have something in place. So, 2003 01:22:40,480 --> 01:22:42,080 one, getting that in place, then two, 2004 01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:44,639 deciding as a as a as a city, you know, 2005 01:22:44,639 --> 01:22:47,120 what do we what do we want to do for 2006 01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:51,120 next year? Um, you know, so it it is a 2007 01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:53,920 little bizarre that like Miss Grant 2008 01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:55,360 still gets to use the high school for 2009 01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:57,280 free basically because the mayor knows 2010 01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:58,960 to [snorts] say you're using my baseball 2011 01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:01,520 fields. But they did charge a socialable 2012 01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:04,880 original bill was between $10 to $12,000 2013 01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:06,960 and that for one day that didn't include 2014 01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,440 turning the air on 2015 01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:11,040 >> you have to pay extra for air 2016 01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:12,639 >> which they didn't do on Saturday. 2017 01:23:12,639 --> 01:23:14,239 >> No, it was really hot. 2018 01:23:14,239 --> 01:23:17,600 >> So I mean that's just but but in the 2019 01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:19,920 school's defense we did get it lower. We 2020 01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:21,760 negotiated. We did I don't even know 2021 01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:24,239 what we did. We did something and we got 2022 01:23:24,239 --> 01:23:26,239 it down to 2023 01:23:26,239 --> 01:23:29,840 half that I think. But it's just 2024 01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:30,560 bizarre, 2025 01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:32,560 >> right? Another thing to point out is 2026 01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:34,239 when the little league football was 2027 01:23:34,239 --> 01:23:36,960 using the practice field for a games, I 2028 01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:41,440 believe the charge was 575 to 600 a 2029 01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:42,880 Saturday to use those [clears throat] 2030 01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:44,400 facilities. 2031 01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:48,239 So why then are they using the fields 2032 01:23:48,239 --> 01:23:52,719 every single day at no charge? Now, I 2033 01:23:52,719 --> 01:23:54,320 know part of that was because we were 2034 01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:57,920 using the restrooms and the concession 2035 01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:00,159 stand for the Little League football 2036 01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:03,920 program and but I don't know that the 2037 01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:06,320 575, which is what I think the number 2038 01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:10,239 was, is quite equating to paying to use 2039 01:24:10,239 --> 01:24:14,159 that little facility for that amount of 2040 01:24:14,159 --> 01:24:17,760 time. whereas all year long they're 2041 01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:19,760 using those facilities at our park, 2042 01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:22,880 three different fields, and not paying a 2043 01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:24,639 penny. So, 2044 01:24:24,639 --> 01:24:26,719 >> well, the other thing that that's 2045 01:24:26,719 --> 01:24:29,360 happening, and I'm I'm really surprised 2046 01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:32,719 that that White Chapel isn't just 2047 01:24:32,719 --> 01:24:35,600 barricading off their parking lot like 2048 01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:37,760 because it has become a permanent school 2049 01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:39,120 parking lot 2050 01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:42,159 >> and it's not fair to them either. So, so 2051 01:24:42,159 --> 01:24:44,239 if you ask like what's their backup plan 2052 01:24:44,239 --> 01:24:46,159 if they don't use our fields to send 2053 01:24:46,159 --> 01:24:47,440 where would our high school 2054 01:24:47,440 --> 01:24:49,120 >> the comment was made we have other 2055 01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:51,520 facilities we we would we would take 2056 01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:53,120 care of it. I don't know if that means 2057 01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:55,199 they would go up to the junior high and 2058 01:24:55,199 --> 01:24:57,679 you know would spend a couple hundred 2059 01:24:57,679 --> 01:25:00,000 grand to make that a playable surface 2060 01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,239 for the baseball team and then I don't 2061 01:25:02,239 --> 01:25:04,960 know I don't know that on drink that's 2062 01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:06,320 already [clears throat] a problem there 2063 01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:07,679 >> I was just told that it wouldn't be an 2064 01:25:07,679 --> 01:25:09,520 issue they would options 2065 01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:11,760 >> yeah so I don't know if that means we 2066 01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:15,040 would share we'd bus our kids to 2067 01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:17,040 >> to Desireette Peak to share the field 2068 01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:19,040 with them I don't you know in bowler 2069 01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:21,040 share their facilities or if it meant 2070 01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:23,600 you know we'd share it with Tilla. 2071 01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:27,840 It the the hard thing is is with there's 2072 01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,480 just has never been a plan. And that's 2073 01:25:30,480 --> 01:25:32,000 the frustrating part I think more than 2074 01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:34,880 anything is is there doesn't seem to be 2075 01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:38,560 a plan. Um, 2076 01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:42,480 and that if they were looking ahead and 2077 01:25:42,480 --> 01:25:44,480 looking to purchase a new school, which 2078 01:25:44,480 --> 01:25:47,520 I'm sure we're in the Q4, should be in 2079 01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,719 the Q4. Um, they could at least just 2080 01:25:50,719 --> 01:25:52,400 purchase the ground and they could put 2081 01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:54,719 two fields in a in a restroom facility 2082 01:25:54,719 --> 01:25:56,320 there and it would then they could build 2083 01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:57,679 the rest of the structure later. At 2084 01:25:57,679 --> 01:25:59,440 least at least our kids would have a 2085 01:25:59,440 --> 01:26:02,880 place they could play on. So, and this 2086 01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:05,280 affects this is I have I have two boys 2087 01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:06,400 that have gone through that program and 2088 01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:09,679 I have one that's there now. So, telling my son, hey, sorry, you're going 2089 01:26:09,679 --> 01:26:12,159 to go you're going to go play in Tilla 2090 01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:15,760 or whatever to that. So, anyway, but 2091 01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:17,440 it's the right thing to do in my 2092 01:26:17,440 --> 01:26:18,000 opinion. 2093 01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,159 >> We are trying to [clears throat] focus 2094 01:26:20,159 --> 01:26:22,880 on parks. We are building a park with 2095 01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:23,679 small fields, 2096 01:26:23,679 --> 01:26:24,239 >> right? 2097 01:26:24,239 --> 01:26:25,920 >> And there's probably enough grass there 2098 01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:29,040 to play football on, I think. 2099 01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:31,360 Well, eventually when we get to the next 2100 01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:35,280 phases there will be. Yes. 2101 01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:37,199 >> But we're we're a little ways from that. 2102 01:26:37,199 --> 01:26:39,120 >> I maybe Yeah, we are, I guess. Yeah. 2103 01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:40,560 >> And that's hard because we have a park, 2104 01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:43,440 but we can't use it for any of the like 2105 01:26:43,440 --> 01:26:45,600 we can't put a can't put a little league 2106 01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:47,920 football over there because schools 2107 01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:49,040 using it. 2108 01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:51,520 >> Those fields, the little league uses a 2109 01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:53,360 small field, but like the larger field 2110 01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:55,360 now has become an issue and softball 2111 01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:56,800 fields could become more of an issue, 2112 01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:58,719 too. Well, and in the fall you have the 2113 01:26:58,719 --> 01:27:00,880 high school girls soccer team on the 2114 01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:02,639 field, so you couldn't use that for 2115 01:27:02,639 --> 01:27:04,159 >> for football. 2116 01:27:04,159 --> 01:27:05,440 >> Yeah. 2117 01:27:05,440 --> 01:27:08,560 >> For a little big football. Yeah. 2118 01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:10,239 >> It's been a fight for a long time with 2119 01:27:10,239 --> 01:27:12,880 no answers. But I mean, typically we've 2120 01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:15,360 been a community that's just rivaled 2121 01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:17,199 around our high school, 2122 01:27:17,199 --> 01:27:17,760 >> right? 2123 01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:19,199 >> We rally around that. 2124 01:27:19,199 --> 01:27:21,760 >> We we've rallied around that. 2125 01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:22,880 >> Well, and I made a comment that like 2126 01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:24,159 it's our park. And I don't mean like 2127 01:27:24,159 --> 01:27:25,760 that. I just want to clarify. I'm saying 2128 01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:26,960 we can collaborate with them. I'm not 2129 01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:28,239 opposed to that. I'm not saying like get 2130 01:27:28,239 --> 01:27:29,199 off our park. 2131 01:27:29,199 --> 01:27:30,960 >> I'm saying, but I feel like we're kind 2132 01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:32,480 of they're kind of like, hey, this is 2133 01:27:32,480 --> 01:27:33,760 what we're do. Maybe it's because this 2134 01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:34,960 is the first draft and we need to come 2135 01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:36,400 back with a draft. I think we could 2136 01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:38,080 collaborate and I think that would be 2137 01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:40,400 fine. I think I think the problem is too 2138 01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:41,760 is we're just becoming bigger. We have 2139 01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:43,679 bigger little league teams. We have 2140 01:27:43,679 --> 01:27:45,600 bigger high schools. It's like, you 2141 01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:46,880 know, now it's just become a problem 2142 01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:48,239 where we need to get something on paper. 2143 01:27:48,239 --> 01:27:48,560 And 2144 01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:50,000 >> that's exactly the problem. It's not 2145 01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:51,520 that we don't want to be collaborative 2146 01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:52,960 and we don't want to work together and 2147 01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:54,480 we don't want to cooperate. We just 2148 01:27:54,480 --> 01:27:56,800 simply are running out of space for both 2149 01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:00,080 entities to use the same the same place 2150 01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:02,080 >> and we're deficient on parks already. 2151 01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:02,719 >> Yes, we are. 2152 01:28:02,719 --> 01:28:04,880 >> So, 2153 01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:07,360 having one that we can't 2154 01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:09,360 allow, 2155 01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:12,000 you know, h having one that gets used 2156 01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:16,480 most of the time also makes that 2157 01:28:16,480 --> 01:28:18,960 compounded. So, are we voting on this or 2158 01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:21,600 should can we just discuss so we can 2159 01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:23,360 review it and maybe give some proposals 2160 01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:24,400 of what we think should change? 2161 01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:26,000 >> Yeah, you can email me those. Okay. 2162 01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:28,400 >> We are going to try to um get back to 2163 01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:31,440 them in the next couple weeks. Our goal. 2164 01:28:31,440 --> 01:28:34,080 >> So, um the term on this agreement as 2165 01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:35,360 it's written is five years. 2166 01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:35,920 >> Yes, it is. 2167 01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,159 >> Yeah. 2168 01:28:38,159 --> 01:28:40,080 I think our understanding when we 2169 01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:42,719 met with them would put this as a year 2170 01:28:42,719 --> 01:28:44,800 and so this hasn't been updated since we 2171 01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:45,440 talked to them. 2172 01:28:45,440 --> 01:28:46,560 >> It's five years. 2173 01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:49,280 >> Yeah. And if we wanted to ex extend a 2174 01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:51,679 year or do another one for a year, we 2175 01:28:51,679 --> 01:28:53,440 could do that, too. So, 2176 01:28:53,440 --> 01:28:56,239 >> we we just get a lot of comments about 2177 01:28:56,239 --> 01:28:58,400 the girls coming, but let's preserve who 2178 01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:01,840 we are. Well, that is the socialable on 2179 01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:04,159 Miss Grantsville and our high school, 2180 01:29:04,159 --> 01:29:04,960 >> right? 2181 01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:05,920 >> It's all a part of it. 2182 01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:07,840 Preserving who we 2183 01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:10,080 are is that's the probably biggest part 2184 01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:12,159 of it. So, 2185 01:29:12,159 --> 01:29:13,679 >> well, and I think what Jake said too, 2186 01:29:13,679 --> 01:29:15,120 we'd like to keep the high school here. 2187 01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:16,560 I mean, people don't want to drive to, 2188 01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:16,960 right? 2189 01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:18,000 >> We're not saying we don't nobody wants 2190 01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:19,760 to drive to go see some, you know, their 2191 01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:21,120 kids play at a different 2192 01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:23,600 >> a different place. So, 2193 01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:26,476 >> I really like my 22nd commute to 2194 01:29:26,476 --> 01:29:28,320 [laughter] 2195 01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:29,920 >> So, so they wrote this. 2196 01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:30,320 >> Yeah. 2197 01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:32,800 >> And they included that the social can 2198 01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:34,337 use the facilities for free 2199 01:29:34,337 --> 01:29:35,520 [clears throat] 2200 01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:38,239 and then so I think use scheduling I 2201 01:29:38,239 --> 01:29:39,840 think for the season, whatever the 2202 01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:41,760 season is. I think we have to put a time 2203 01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:44,000 just like we talked when we ran it like 2204 01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,159 if We had an agreement like we got the 2205 01:29:46,159 --> 01:29:48,880 field at 5, but they'd go to 5:15. We'd 2206 01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:51,520 have games start right at 5:15 to try to 2207 01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:54,400 get in two games before it got dark and 2208 01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:56,080 they'd still be on there just dragging 2209 01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:58,080 their feet and we'd have to be the 2210 01:29:58,080 --> 01:29:59,760 second game would go short. We get two 2211 01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:02,480 innings, three innings maybe. I think we 2212 01:30:02,480 --> 01:30:04,320 put a time in there and then on 2213 01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:06,480 >> like a time for each team like you want 2214 01:30:06,480 --> 01:30:06,719 it 2215 01:30:06,719 --> 01:30:10,639 >> like the high school 2:45 to 4:45. You 2216 01:30:10,639 --> 01:30:12,320 get it two hours a day during the season 2217 01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:14,800 of February to wherever 2218 01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:18,000 >> and then the city gets it after. 2219 01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:20,560 >> But don't they 2220 01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:22,320 maybe this has changed but they used to 2221 01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:24,080 have their varsity games and then right 2222 01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:27,440 after the JV game completely different 2223 01:30:27,440 --> 01:30:28,080 on game day. 2224 01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:30,560 >> We're just talking about practices. 2225 01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:32,080 That's where the most contention 2226 01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:34,880 happened was because you have two 2227 01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:36,320 converging 2228 01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:39,520 >> teams coming onto the field and then you 2229 01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:43,120 have a high school team that is wanting 2230 01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:46,560 to leave on their own time. So 2231 01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:48,000 >> is this a problem? Like this baseball 2232 01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:49,440 season starting right now, right? 2233 01:30:49,440 --> 01:30:51,280 >> Oh, we're well into it. Joe, I think we 2234 01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:52,639 should even do less than a year because 2235 01:30:52,639 --> 01:30:53,920 we need, like I said, we need something 2236 01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:55,360 tempered, but we need to sit down and 2237 01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:56,960 because now we're going to be coming in 2238 01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:58,719 the same spot next time and we're trying 2239 01:30:58,719 --> 01:30:59,920 to come up with agreement when we're 2240 01:30:59,920 --> 01:31:01,760 already like it's like, you know, we're 2241 01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:02,880 trying to decide where a kid goes to 2242 01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:03,920 school. We need to do that before 2243 01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:05,280 enrollment starts. Like 2244 01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:07,600 >> the end of the 206. 2245 01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:11,120 >> Yeah. Right. Like we say, okay, let's start talking about this before so 2246 01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:12,880 we're not coming upon the season saying 2247 01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:14,159 because right now I feel like we're kind 2248 01:31:14,159 --> 01:31:16,080 of a little bit under pressure to figure 2249 01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:18,159 this out. And so I'm like, let's let's 2250 01:31:18,159 --> 01:31:20,639 sit down sooner or like keep ne 2251 01:31:20,639 --> 01:31:23,440 negotiations going of like I we think we 2252 01:31:23,440 --> 01:31:25,040 should do something. One, it would tell 2253 01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:26,400 us it's kind of like a temporary 2254 01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:27,920 agreement. We see how we like it. How is 2255 01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:29,920 this working? What needs to be fixed? Do 2256 01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:31,520 we need to adjust the times? Do we need 2257 01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:33,280 to say, you know, what's not working? 2258 01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:35,120 And then we can sit down and look at 2259 01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:39,679 again. So every year they have a meeting 2260 01:31:39,679 --> 01:31:42,320 with all of the coaches and the school 2261 01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:45,199 district is there and Christie 2262 01:31:45,199 --> 01:31:47,600 >> was there this year. So we have 2263 01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:50,560 representatives from the city and 2264 01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:53,920 they kind of collectively try to figure 2265 01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:55,520 out how they're going to make it work. 2266 01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:58,880 And so there's there's concessions that 2267 01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:01,520 the coaches give to try to, you know, in 2268 01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:06,000 that process. Um and and they have been 2269 01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:09,440 really good. I will say like the the 2270 01:32:09,440 --> 01:32:11,679 they want kids on the field, you know, 2271 01:32:11,679 --> 01:32:15,040 as well. Um but they have, you know, a 2272 01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:18,480 team to coach and no place to play. So, 2273 01:32:18,480 --> 01:32:20,480 but it's been a it's been a really good 2274 01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:22,320 shared 2275 01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:24,639 working relationship with everyone. It 2276 01:32:24,639 --> 01:32:27,280 just it's just like sharing some sooner 2277 01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:27,520 later. 2278 01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:29,120 >> But when you come out of those meetings, 2279 01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:30,239 do we have an agreement? Is it like, 2280 01:32:30,239 --> 01:32:31,120 "Hey, this is what we're going to do." 2281 01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:32,880 No, it's we need an agreement. 2282 01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:35,199 >> It's we [laughter] need an agreement. 2283 01:32:35,199 --> 01:32:39,280 >> It's not working. 2284 01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:41,440 >> The last Yeah. Every year it's the same 2285 01:32:41,440 --> 01:32:42,400 discussion. 2286 01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:44,000 >> Yeah. Like I said, I think it's good to 2287 01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:44,960 be collaborative, but it sounds like 2288 01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:46,480 we're doing a lot of talking, but not a 2289 01:32:46,480 --> 01:32:48,159 lot of actual plan. 2290 01:32:48,159 --> 01:32:50,480 >> Well, and the the high school coaches 2291 01:32:50,480 --> 01:32:54,400 need to be commended because um 2292 01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:56,480 they're put in a tricky situation as 2293 01:32:56,480 --> 01:32:58,320 well. Any other school in the district? 2294 01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:00,639 Uh you say the softball team lingering 2295 01:33:00,639 --> 01:33:03,360 as an example you used Rhett. Uh any 2296 01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:06,239 other team in the district um if they 2297 01:33:06,239 --> 01:33:09,360 have a big game that week and things 2298 01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:11,840 weren't looking great at practice, they 2299 01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:14,080 can practice as long as they need to. 2300 01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:16,159 They don't have the issue of hurt you 2301 01:33:16,159 --> 01:33:18,880 got to be off by 4:45 because we got to 2302 01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:20,800 fit in two more games tonight on this 2303 01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:24,320 field. So, it's it's really quite 2304 01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:27,199 impressive how long this has worked and 2305 01:33:27,199 --> 01:33:29,440 the collaboration that has taken place 2306 01:33:29,440 --> 01:33:32,639 all these years to make this work, but 2307 01:33:32,639 --> 01:33:34,480 it just seems to be that every year it's 2308 01:33:34,480 --> 01:33:40,709 getting just a little trickier. So, 2309 01:33:40,719 --> 01:33:43,520 I guess I think at this point my 2310 01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:46,239 suggestion is please make any comments 2311 01:33:46,239 --> 01:33:49,679 or suggestions on these, email them over 2312 01:33:49,679 --> 01:33:51,360 and 2313 01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:52,800 this will obviously be another 2314 01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:55,280 discussion item in the future. 2315 01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:56,560 >> Christie, do you have anything you want 2316 01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:58,480 to add on that like for the end of the 2317 01:33:58,480 --> 01:34:01,040 week or week? That would be helpful 2318 01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:02,719 because we would like to get it turned 2319 01:34:02,719 --> 01:34:04,560 back to the district and keep that 2320 01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:06,239 negotiated because I mean if we wait too 2321 01:34:06,239 --> 01:34:08,000 long the season's going to be over, 2322 01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:10,960 >> right? 2323 01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:12,000 >> Essentially over that, 2324 01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:14,320 >> right? I guess liability wise because we 2325 01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:17,300 don't want anything happen 2326 01:34:17,300 --> 01:34:18,239 [laughter] 2327 01:34:18,239 --> 01:34:22,400 before we have something in place. 2328 01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:24,639 >> I have one quick question Christy on 2329 01:34:24,639 --> 01:34:28,719 paragraph F, the costs to F. 2330 01:34:28,719 --> 01:34:30,719 The district shall pay the custodial and 2331 01:34:30,719 --> 01:34:32,800 technical expenses incurred during city 2332 01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:36,950 use of district. 2333 01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:38,719 Sorry, I'm just reading this making sure 2334 01:34:38,719 --> 01:34:40,000 I'm reading. Okay, so with the 2335 01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,560 restrooms, they aren't the park 2336 01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:45,679 restrooms. I'm sorry, I'm on the wrong 2337 01:34:45,679 --> 01:34:48,400 paragraph, but are they paying anything 2338 01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:51,520 to maintain the restroom at the park? 2339 01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:51,920 >> No. 2340 01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:57,040 Okay. So we use their they let us 2341 01:34:57,040 --> 01:35:00,080 they pay the custodial expenses within 2342 01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:02,320 two days of the year 2343 01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:04,719 >> and then we pay all them for three 2344 01:35:04,719 --> 01:35:09,840 months essentially. Is that right? Okay. 2345 01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:11,280 >> So we want to see something like they'll 2346 01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:12,719 pay during the three months they'll pay 2347 01:35:12,719 --> 01:35:13,600 for the 2348 01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:17,590 >> those facilities. 2349 01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:20,800 And I get I get a text about every day 2350 01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:23,040 about are the bathrooms going to be 2351 01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:25,679 opened at the park? I don't know. Go 2352 01:35:25,679 --> 01:35:27,440 check. [laughter] 2353 01:35:27,440 --> 01:35:30,800 But it's it's a constant it's a constant 2354 01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:34,239 question of what's it it's just time to 2355 01:35:34,239 --> 01:35:37,679 be able to be on anyway. Anything else 2356 01:35:37,679 --> 01:35:40,639 on this item? No. Okay. We're going to 2357 01:35:40,639 --> 01:35:44,239 close item number six. 2358 01:35:44,239 --> 01:35:47,440 Item number seven, consideration of 2359 01:35:47,440 --> 01:35:49,679 resolution 2026-16 2360 01:35:49,679 --> 01:35:51,920 amending the Grantsville City fee 2361 01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:54,800 schedule regarding rodeo ground rental 2362 01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:56,400 fees. 2363 01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:58,080 >> Who is presenting this? 2364 01:35:58,080 --> 01:36:00,560 >> It's your cows. 2365 01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:04,719 >> It's the rodeo crop. [laughter] 2366 01:36:04,719 --> 01:36:08,560 >> Um, okay. So, currently in the in our 2367 01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:12,480 fee schedule, we have $100 rodeo rental 2368 01:36:12,480 --> 01:36:14,400 fee. 2369 01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:17,199 No one knows what that means. So, no 2370 01:36:17,199 --> 01:36:20,441 none of no one's been charged. Um, 2371 01:36:20,441 --> 01:36:24,960 [snorts] it's very vague. It is it $100 2372 01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:27,199 to go ride for five minutes? Is it $100 2373 01:36:27,199 --> 01:36:32,000 for the day? Is it There's no It's Yeah. 2374 01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:33,280 So, basically, we haven't been 2375 01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:35,040 collecting any fees for that. It's in 2376 01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:37,280 it's been in our fee schedule, but we 2377 01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:38,560 haven't been collecting it because no 2378 01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:40,159 one knows how to charge it because it's 2379 01:36:40,159 --> 01:36:45,119 big. So, um, we did some research on 2380 01:36:45,119 --> 01:36:48,080 other local facilities in the county and 2381 01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:50,719 outside of the county with other cities 2382 01:36:50,719 --> 01:36:52,639 in the Salt Lake Valley and what they 2383 01:36:52,639 --> 01:36:54,960 do. Um, and this is what's being 2384 01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:58,159 proposed uh instead that would allow us 2385 01:36:58,159 --> 01:37:01,199 to actually get some clarification and 2386 01:37:01,199 --> 01:37:04,080 uh begin charging a fee and collecting 2387 01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:06,880 it. Um there is a difference for 2388 01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:08,800 resident and non-resident. So they would 2389 01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:11,840 have to provide like proof of residency 2390 01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:15,440 when they're booking. Um it does in um 2391 01:37:15,440 --> 01:37:17,600 for things such as like the 4 that 2392 01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:20,159 practices there. Um, we did put in a 2393 01:37:20,159 --> 01:37:22,480 disclosure that like nonprofits, clubs, 2394 01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:24,880 and other special circumstances would be 2395 01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:27,199 encouraged to contact city hall um so 2396 01:37:27,199 --> 01:37:29,360 that way we could get a contract in 2397 01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:31,600 place for them for the year. Um, so 2398 01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:32,560 that's something that they could 2399 01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:35,360 contract um and negotiate with Michael 2400 01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:39,360 just a different terms for their 2401 01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:41,840 practices rather than having to charge 2402 01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:45,360 $50 twice a week for their practices 2403 01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:46,639 because we don't want it to become 2404 01:37:46,639 --> 01:37:55,030 burdensome on the 4 club. 2405 01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:56,239 So we're just looking at the part in 2406 01:37:56,239 --> 01:37:57,280 green right here. That's the only thing 2407 01:37:57,280 --> 01:37:58,320 we're talking about. 2408 01:37:58,320 --> 01:37:58,719 >> Yeah. 2409 01:37:58,719 --> 01:37:59,520 >> Okay. 2410 01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:01,679 >> Yep. everything else the rest is just 2411 01:38:01,679 --> 01:38:04,560 what our fee schedule for other things. 2412 01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:08,239 >> So is that half a day for 4 hours? Is 2413 01:38:08,239 --> 01:38:10,239 that for one person? Is that for 100 2414 01:38:10,239 --> 01:38:11,119 people? 2415 01:38:11,119 --> 01:38:13,040 >> That's just to reserve the space. So 2416 01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:14,480 like if I wanted to reserve the space 2417 01:38:14,480 --> 01:38:17,119 for 4 hours, I can use it for myself or 2418 01:38:17,119 --> 01:38:19,360 I can invite all of you to come. I get 2419 01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:21,280 to use it however I see 2420 01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:23,760 >> it. It's not contingent. I we didn't put 2421 01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:25,679 in there like what are you using it for? 2422 01:38:25,679 --> 01:38:29,270 Mhm. So, 2423 01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:31,679 » so if someone wanted to just host a 2424 01:38:31,679 --> 01:38:33,280 fullblown 2425 01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:37,760 rodeo all day long and I'm a resident, 2426 01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:39,840 $100. 2427 01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:42,960 >> I'll come to your rodeo, Red. [laughter] 2428 01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:44,000 >> Sounds fun. 2429 01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:44,800 >> Yeah. 2430 01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:46,639 >> Yeehaw. 2431 01:38:46,639 --> 01:38:48,400 >> We had a survey. A lot of people want 2432 01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:50,438 that. So, if you want to put one on 2433 01:38:50,438 --> 01:38:51,280 [laughter] 2434 01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:53,360 the Facebook the Facebook comments were 2435 01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:55,520 pretty 2436 01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:57,679 Grantsville days rodeo. Yeah, 2437 01:38:57,679 --> 01:38:58,960 >> I think we should. 2438 01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:00,960 >> Yeah, 2439 01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:02,239 >> I think this is good. I think we should 2440 01:39:02,239 --> 01:39:03,520 try it like this and see how it works. 2441 01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:04,800 And then if we get problems with people 2442 01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:06,080 are like, I'm going to have a party on 2443 01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:07,280 the rodeo grounds. We're going to have 2444 01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:10,159 a, you know, Yeah, there's like, you 2445 01:39:10,159 --> 01:39:10,560 know, 2446 01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:11,760 >> I mean, to be sure, they could have been 2447 01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:13,360 doing that for free [laughter] up until 2448 01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:14,080 now. So, 2449 01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:16,560 >> well, but we're right next to the PD, so 2450 01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:18,560 probably that'll get shut down pretty 2451 01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:19,119 quick. [laughter] 2452 01:39:19,119 --> 01:39:21,600 >> Well, here's here's a concern I have. I 2453 01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:24,159 didn't realize and until the last three 2454 01:39:24,159 --> 01:39:26,480 months how much use there really is on 2455 01:39:26,480 --> 01:39:30,080 the rodeo grounds each day. Um nearly 2456 01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:32,080 every single day that I'm here, there 2457 01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:35,040 are people back there just riding their 2458 01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:36,800 horse and and I 2459 01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:39,760 >> I hate the idea of saying you've got to 2460 01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:41,760 pay $50. 2461 01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:43,520 >> Yeah. So just clarify this is just to 2462 01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:46,159 reserve the arena. So if it's not Thank 2463 01:39:46,159 --> 01:39:46,480 you. 2464 01:39:46,480 --> 01:39:49,280 >> If it's not reserved, it's free for open 2465 01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:51,360 ride. If it's not reserved, 2466 01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:53,360 >> it can be like your park. You reserve 2467 01:39:53,360 --> 01:39:56,000 the park pavilion. Okay. But you can go 2468 01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:58,800 use it. If it's reserved, if it's just 2469 01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:02,239 available, right? You can do that. It's 2470 01:40:02,239 --> 01:40:03,840 a reservation like a park. 2471 01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:05,280 >> Got it. 2472 01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:06,080 >> Yeah. 2473 01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:07,520 >> That way you know you got 2474 01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:08,560 >> Yes. 2475 01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:10,480 >> Question I had was regarding the 2476 01:40:10,480 --> 01:40:12,400 tractor. 2477 01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:13,600 >> That's my question. [laughter] 2478 01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:13,920 Okay. 2479 01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:15,280 >> Some guys just wanted me to go drive a 2480 01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:16,159 tractor. That's what 2481 01:40:16,159 --> 01:40:18,320 >> That's right. Well, 2482 01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:22,159 um I don't Yeah. What? 2483 01:40:22,159 --> 01:40:23,119 >> Explain that maybe. 2484 01:40:23,119 --> 01:40:25,119 >> So, if they need So, if they wanted to 2485 01:40:25,119 --> 01:40:27,520 like if the 4 is doing their year end 2486 01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:29,760 rodeo, like their show or whatever, and 2487 01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:31,600 they want the arena dragged between 2488 01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:34,000 events, they're going to need to use the 2489 01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:36,239 tractor. So, 2490 01:40:36,239 --> 01:40:38,880 >> this would they would need to have if if 2491 01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:39,520 that's the case, 2492 01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:41,040 >> is that is that how it's been done in 2493 01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:41,840 the past? 2494 01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:43,199 >> They've been using it 2495 01:40:43,199 --> 01:40:45,440 >> willy-nilly. There's been no key to the 2496 01:40:45,440 --> 01:40:47,199 tractor or anything like that. So we got 2497 01:40:47,199 --> 01:40:49,040 here, we got a key installed so no one 2498 01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:51,119 can just go start it and drive off. 2499 01:40:51,119 --> 01:40:54,159 >> And so liability wise, they can't drive 2500 01:40:54,159 --> 01:40:56,000 it unless they're a volunteer. So if 2501 01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:58,080 they do want to use the tractor, they'll 2502 01:40:58,080 --> 01:40:59,280 have to go through our volunteer 2503 01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:01,199 process, get signed up to do that, be 2504 01:41:01,199 --> 01:41:03,040 trained on it, and then they're able to 2505 01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:04,239 use the tractor. Otherwise, they'll have 2506 01:41:04,239 --> 01:41:06,800 to bring their own tractor or a rake. 2507 01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:08,639 >> Okay. 2508 01:41:08,639 --> 01:41:12,159 But like our like our team does like 2509 01:41:12,159 --> 01:41:14,080 maintain the arena. So it's not like it 2510 01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:16,960 never gets worked as is. So if they 2511 01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:18,880 don't need it specifically like between 2512 01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:22,159 barrel racers or something else, then 2513 01:41:22,159 --> 01:41:24,239 they don't need to it won't be used, but 2514 01:41:24,239 --> 01:41:26,719 it would just be the ground as it was 2515 01:41:26,719 --> 01:41:28,639 last worked as is. 2516 01:41:28,639 --> 01:41:31,520 >> Who who's training them and making sure 2517 01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:33,440 they can drive the tractor? And two, are 2518 01:41:33,440 --> 01:41:36,159 they signing anything that says if I 2519 01:41:36,159 --> 01:41:38,000 drive this through the fence or the 2520 01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:40,000 whatever that they're liable for it or 2521 01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:41,679 >> there'll be a liability form through the 2522 01:41:41,679 --> 01:41:43,360 insurance company. So that's something 2523 01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:45,679 that we've talked to the Utah local 2524 01:41:45,679 --> 01:41:48,320 government's trust with and that's who 2525 01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:51,040 is our insurance. So it would be 2526 01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:52,880 >> and that's part of the application form 2527 01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:54,880 is that they'll provide liability. 2528 01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:57,040 Again, if it's a full-blown event rodeo, 2529 01:41:57,040 --> 01:42:10,229 they'll provide that liability for that. 2530 01:42:10,239 --> 01:42:12,719 And remind me who does somebody contact 2531 01:42:12,719 --> 01:42:14,000 to reserve this. 2532 01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:16,000 >> Uh that would be Alicia's office. 2533 01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:17,920 >> Okay. You, Alicia. 2534 01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:18,960 >> No, [laughter] 2535 01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:19,920 >> don't call Alicia. 2536 01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:22,719 >> There's actually a form online. Okay. 2537 01:42:22,719 --> 01:42:24,320 >> And then it goes to Gina. 2538 01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:24,800 >> Okay. 2539 01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:25,920 >> She she does them all. 2540 01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:27,840 >> She does that. All right. 2541 01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:31,350 >> But thanks for [laughter] 2542 01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:33,040 So, I guess you feel like those fees are 2543 01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:35,920 too low. Do you want to increase them? 2544 01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:38,800 >> I'm not the biggest fan of the 2545 01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:40,639 nonprofits just coming to negotiate 2546 01:42:40,639 --> 01:42:42,400 because what if you like the 4 better 2547 01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:45,199 than the you know the little writers 2548 01:42:45,199 --> 01:42:46,960 club or whatever and they they talk and 2549 01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:50,171 you gave one $25 that the mayor. 2550 01:42:50,171 --> 01:42:53,189 [laughter] 2551 01:42:53,199 --> 01:42:54,639 » We probably should have both just in 2552 01:42:54,639 --> 01:42:56,880 case one of us are not available. 2553 01:42:56,880 --> 01:42:58,719 Yes, 2554 01:42:58,719 --> 01:42:59,199 >> I think. 2555 01:42:59,199 --> 01:43:00,960 >> But no, I agree. If you want I mean if 2556 01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:03,520 you don't want to put any leeway because 2557 01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:04,960 the question is do you charge them per 2558 01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:07,040 day and there's multiple days they do it 2559 01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:08,560 and then it cost them too much and they 2560 01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:10,719 can't do it. And so that's the idea is 2561 01:43:10,719 --> 01:43:12,320 like do you just charge them one and 2562 01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:12,719 then 2563 01:43:12,719 --> 01:43:14,400 >> or charge them the whole thing and don't 2564 01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:16,159 do it back and say but advertise 2565 01:43:16,159 --> 01:43:18,991 Grantsville as at your event. 2566 01:43:18,991 --> 01:43:20,159 [clears throat] 2567 01:43:20,159 --> 01:43:22,560 >> Yeah. I mean it's not like a hard no for 2568 01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:27,520 me. It's just I could see maybe someone thinks that 2569 01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:29,760 >> I mean like nonprofit's going to use it 2570 01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:30,560 to have it done. 2571 01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:31,920 >> I don't know once it becomes more 2572 01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:34,239 popular hope hopefully. 2573 01:43:34,239 --> 01:43:36,159 >> I think right now I don't think anyone 2574 01:43:36,159 --> 01:43:41,199 >> the only time I've been over there is to watch a 4 one and I was actually glad 2575 01:43:41,199 --> 01:43:43,440 that they were 2576 01:43:43,440 --> 01:43:44,480 >> using it. Yeah. 2577 01:43:44,480 --> 01:43:47,119 >> So, um 2578 01:43:47,119 --> 01:43:49,360 >> or unless you want to put like a because 2579 01:43:49,360 --> 01:43:51,280 that's the question is if you lock it 2580 01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:54,480 down for a longer period of time 2581 01:43:54,480 --> 01:43:56,560 for a lower rate, how do you someone 2582 01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:58,320 else could take it during the 4 time 2583 01:43:58,320 --> 01:44:02,000 just to do their rodeo? So, how do you 2584 01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:05,040 manage that? So, we're 2585 01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:06,800 >> Yeah, somebody's going to have to 2586 01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:08,480 >> So, that's why there's coordination on 2587 01:44:08,480 --> 01:44:09,040 that. 2588 01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:09,760 >> Coordinated. 2589 01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:12,000 >> We're hoping for that event. We're just 2590 01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:15,040 talking um if they did it for like what 2591 01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:16,719 four days then it's just that amount of 2592 01:44:16,719 --> 01:44:18,639 money and so that makes it impractable 2593 01:44:18,639 --> 01:44:20,239 for them. Do we want to prevent them 2594 01:44:20,239 --> 01:44:22,880 from doing that and giving us the power 2595 01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:25,119 to negotiate that? That's again it's not 2596 01:44:25,119 --> 01:44:26,800 going to be lifechanging for the city. 2597 01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:28,000 >> Well, in the past have we not charged 2598 01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:29,440 them anything before? 2599 01:44:29,440 --> 01:44:29,840 >> Right. 2600 01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:32,560 >> I think we should keep it the same. 2601 01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:33,840 >> I mean like if we haven't charged them 2602 01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:34,800 in the past I think we keep the 2603 01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:37,040 nonprofits. 2604 01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:38,800 >> But I think this looks good. 2605 01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:40,320 >> Yeah. I think it's a good 2606 01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:43,040 >> The only thing is just the use of the 2607 01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:45,199 lights. That is something that I would 2608 01:44:45,199 --> 01:44:47,280 think would be separate if someone 2609 01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:51,280 wanted to utilize it at night. 2610 01:44:51,280 --> 01:44:53,760 >> I mean, they just turn on they just turn 2611 01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:55,520 on the lights. I mean, those are 2612 01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:59,360 >> metal halli lamps. Those those 2613 01:44:59,360 --> 01:45:00,159 suck the juice 2614 01:45:00,159 --> 01:45:01,520 >> and then turning them on, you're going 2615 01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:04,320 to have that initial cost per month fee 2616 01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:07,119 or whatever for the power company. So 2617 01:45:07,119 --> 01:45:08,800 they get pretty pricey when you turn on 2618 01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:12,080 lights. So we can look at that as a a 2619 01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:13,440 separate fee if you want to have that 2620 01:45:13,440 --> 01:45:14,719 added 2621 01:45:14,719 --> 01:45:17,119 >> right now. Would it include the lights 2622 01:45:17,119 --> 01:45:18,560 >> as as is? 2623 01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:19,760 >> I guess we don't know. 2624 01:45:19,760 --> 01:45:22,639 >> Well, it be for free. If it was just 2625 01:45:22,639 --> 01:45:23,600 show up, right? 2626 01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:26,159 >> Yeah. Yeah. And unless all the lights 2627 01:45:26,159 --> 01:45:27,840 are on one meter, it's going to be tough 2628 01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:30,719 to would have to figure out which meters 2629 01:45:30,719 --> 01:45:32,560 they're connected to and then I guess 2630 01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:34,560 read them before they start or just do a 2631 01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:36,719 flat usage fee. 2632 01:45:36,719 --> 01:45:39,040 >> I think a flat light fee. Yeah. 2633 01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:39,818 >> Is what you're going to have to 2634 01:45:39,818 --> 01:45:40,880 [clears throat] do. And what would that 2635 01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:43,119 be? $100 a night because you're probably 2636 01:45:43,119 --> 01:45:44,639 going to spend more than that. 2637 01:45:44,639 --> 01:45:46,320 >> Has it ever been used at night? 2638 01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:48,400 >> Oh, yeah. [clears throat] 2639 01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:50,639 To be sure though, if they're using it 2640 01:45:50,639 --> 01:45:53,440 at night without reserved without a 2641 01:45:53,440 --> 01:45:54,880 reservation and they turn the lights on, 2642 01:45:54,880 --> 01:45:56,960 then I don't really know how we would 2643 01:45:56,960 --> 01:45:57,600 >> Yeah. 2644 01:45:57,600 --> 01:45:58,880 >> I mean, then they're still just using 2645 01:45:58,880 --> 01:45:59,920 the lights for free. 2646 01:45:59,920 --> 01:46:00,320 >> Yeah. 2647 01:46:00,320 --> 01:46:04,880 >> I guess you lock us on period. 2648 01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:05,600 >> If you want to use 2649 01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:07,983 >> Maybe we could put quarters in like 2650 01:46:07,983 --> 01:46:09,280 [laughter] 2651 01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:13,360 >> the vacuums of the car wash. 2652 01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:15,188 >> You're not going to want quarters. 2653 01:46:15,188 --> 01:46:16,800 [laughter] 2654 01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:20,719 dollar bills. $100 bills. 2655 01:46:20,719 --> 01:46:23,048 >> Let's put a donation bucket next to it. 2656 01:46:23,048 --> 01:46:27,189 [laughter] 2657 01:46:27,199 --> 01:46:29,280 » Does um does the high school rodeo club 2658 01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:31,920 use this facility? 2659 01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:33,360 >> Do we want to put that in the last 2660 01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:36,320 agreement we just talked about? 2661 01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:37,760 >> I I don't know. That's why I asked. I 2662 01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:38,880 don't know if they use it or if they go 2663 01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:39,679 up to 2664 01:46:39,679 --> 01:46:41,679 >> the high school. I kind of think they go 2665 01:46:41,679 --> 01:46:43,520 to Desert at Peak, but I don't know that 2666 01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:45,360 for sure. 2667 01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:46,639 I'm wonder are we creating a problem 2668 01:46:46,639 --> 01:46:48,639 here? like people like shoot now I got 2669 01:46:48,639 --> 01:46:51,840 to pay because I want to reserve it or 2670 01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:53,199 >> I think we don't know what we don't know 2671 01:46:53,199 --> 01:46:54,239 and so like 2672 01:46:54,239 --> 01:46:56,000 >> well it's free free right now and so we 2673 01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:57,280 want to actually start having the 2674 01:46:57,280 --> 01:46:59,440 ability to make it functional know what 2675 01:46:59,440 --> 01:47:00,639 we're actually going to be charging for 2676 01:47:00,639 --> 01:47:02,159 and if we do make that motion you can 2677 01:47:02,159 --> 01:47:04,320 make the motion to include 2678 01:47:04,320 --> 01:47:06,400 >> utility payment 2679 01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:08,239 line in 2680 01:47:08,239 --> 01:47:09,679 >> amount 2681 01:47:09,679 --> 01:47:12,639 >> or I mean if you're I mean it's free now 2682 01:47:12,639 --> 01:47:14,639 it's in our fee schedule to be at $100 2683 01:47:14,639 --> 01:47:16,080 but if you're wanting to not do anything 2684 01:47:16,080 --> 01:47:17,520 we could 2685 01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:19,679 You could propose we just take it out, 2686 01:47:19,679 --> 01:47:21,440 but I think we can't include it in our 2687 01:47:21,440 --> 01:47:23,920 fee schedule as it is and just because 2688 01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:26,239 there's nothing 2689 01:47:26,239 --> 01:47:27,920 it's in there at $100, but we're not 2690 01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:28,880 doing anything with it, 2691 01:47:28,880 --> 01:47:29,840 >> right? No direction. 2692 01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:32,400 >> No one knows how to charge either. 2693 01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:34,000 >> But I also think it is beneficial for 2694 01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:35,280 somebody to be able to reserve it and 2695 01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:36,480 say like, "Oh, I hope I can go over 2696 01:47:36,480 --> 01:47:37,760 there and have my, you know, I want to 2697 01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:39,440 go do this thing." It would be nice for 2698 01:47:39,440 --> 01:47:40,719 somebody to reserve it. I mean, they can 2699 01:47:40,719 --> 01:47:42,480 do that now, but like you said, we just 2700 01:47:42,480 --> 01:47:44,080 don't have any clarity. So I think this 2701 01:47:44,080 --> 01:47:45,920 gives some clarity 2702 01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:46,960 >> and we can 2703 01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:48,320 >> but I do think we should charge for the 2704 01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:50,719 lights too if it is going to cost us. 2705 01:47:50,719 --> 01:47:55,199 >> Sure. Do um can I also do we want to 2706 01:47:55,199 --> 01:47:57,760 specify like half day 4 hours because 2707 01:47:57,760 --> 01:48:01,119 somebody could say oh I want it from 2708 01:48:01,119 --> 01:48:03,199 8 to noon and then somebody else could 2709 01:48:03,199 --> 01:48:06,560 be like well my four hours started at 9 2710 01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:08,880 and you know I mean I mean we do have a 2711 01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:10,560 calendar but I don't know if we want to 2712 01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:13,119 get into that. I don't know. Just a 2713 01:48:13,119 --> 01:48:14,159 thought. 2714 01:48:14,159 --> 01:48:15,760 >> I think Gina would have to deal with 2715 01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:16,159 that 2716 01:48:16,159 --> 01:48:18,960 >> when they apply would want the time and 2717 01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:21,760 the and the the time or the date and 2718 01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:23,600 time that they are going to do it. So 2719 01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:24,880 that way there's no overlap. 2720 01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:30,229 >> Yeah. 2721 01:48:30,239 --> 01:48:33,119 No, it'd be nice to be able to get some 2722 01:48:33,119 --> 01:48:35,199 dollars to put toward I mean there's 2723 01:48:35,199 --> 01:48:38,080 been a lot of discussion of a rodeo and 2724 01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:40,719 very positive discussion and you know 2725 01:48:40,719 --> 01:48:41,679 there's 2726 01:48:41,679 --> 01:48:43,679 >> the grounds are going to be in need of 2727 01:48:43,679 --> 01:48:45,360 not that 2728 01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:48,080 $50 is going to do much out there but 2729 01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:48,960 >> I can bring it a lot. 2730 01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:50,639 >> It's not a profit center really and 2731 01:48:50,639 --> 01:48:52,080 quite frankly it shouldn't be in my 2732 01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:54,239 opinion. I I 2733 01:48:54,239 --> 01:48:56,239 it is a benefit to the residents and 2734 01:48:56,239 --> 01:48:59,199 trying to find a balance there so they 2735 01:48:59,199 --> 01:49:02,719 can use it and yeah anyway so I I think 2736 01:49:02,719 --> 01:49:05,520 this is a a great move in the right 2737 01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:08,080 direction. So do we want to put 2738 01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:10,400 something in there? So, like if we do 2739 01:49:10,400 --> 01:49:13,280 the rodeo, if Shelby does it, like since 2740 01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:15,679 they're splitting ticket fees and stuff 2741 01:49:15,679 --> 01:49:17,520 like that, do we put something like if 2742 01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:20,080 it's like that, we wave this so you 2743 01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:21,600 don't have to pay the daily thing 2744 01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:23,679 because we're kind of working together 2745 01:49:23,679 --> 01:49:25,920 or is that going to be a city sponsored 2746 01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:26,560 rodeo? 2747 01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:28,159 >> It would be a city sponsored. 2748 01:49:28,159 --> 01:49:28,719 >> Okay. 2749 01:49:28,719 --> 01:49:32,639 Never mind. Ignore what I said. 2750 01:49:32,639 --> 01:49:34,320 >> I do think the utility I [clears throat] 2751 01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:35,920 do think we need to address utilities 2752 01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:39,119 because that obviously 2753 01:49:39,119 --> 01:49:41,040 I probably if they ran the lights for an 2754 01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:43,119 hour a year, $50 isn't going to cover 2755 01:49:43,119 --> 01:49:44,080 the lights. 2756 01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:44,719 >> Yeah. 2757 01:49:44,719 --> 01:49:47,440 >> Do we do we know what the lights cost 2758 01:49:47,440 --> 01:49:49,920 per hour? 2759 01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:51,679 >> No. We could have we could have to 2760 01:49:51,679 --> 01:49:52,880 figure Well, we'll have to figure that 2761 01:49:52,880 --> 01:49:55,600 out. We could approve it as is and then 2762 01:49:55,600 --> 01:49:59,199 bring that back with the um uh 2763 01:49:59,199 --> 01:50:00,960 >> with that information. Okay. I think 2764 01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:08,550 that's add that to as another line item. 2765 01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:10,239 All right. If there is there any more 2766 01:50:10,239 --> 01:50:12,800 discussion? If not, um, if someone would 2767 01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:18,070 like to make a motion. 2768 01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:19,920 » So, I make a motion we approve 2769 01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:22,960 resolution 2026-16 2770 01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:25,119 amending the grants city fee schedule 2771 01:50:25,119 --> 01:50:28,000 regarding rodeo ground rental fees. 2772 01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:30,080 >> Have a motion by council member Butler. 2773 01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:32,400 Is there sorry, Williams? Is there a 2774 01:50:32,400 --> 01:50:32,880 second? 2775 01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:33,920 >> I'll second the motion. 2776 01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:35,840 >> A second by council member Skinner. All 2777 01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:36,560 in favor? 2778 01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:38,800 >> I. 2779 01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:41,360 >> Great. That passes. Thank you. Item 2780 01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:42,800 number eight, consideration of 2781 01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:45,920 resolution 2026-13 2782 01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:48,639 adopting the 2026 municipal white 2783 01:50:48,639 --> 01:50:52,800 wastewater planning program report. 2784 01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:54,880 The city has to fill out this report 2785 01:50:54,880 --> 01:50:57,920 every year and part of the report asks 2786 01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:02,400 when it's been um approved by council. 2787 01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:05,679 So, we've actually already submitted it 2788 01:51:05,679 --> 01:51:07,440 saying that this is the date that you 2789 01:51:07,440 --> 01:51:11,030 would approve it. 2790 01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:12,560 goes through and asks general 2791 01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:14,960 questions about 2792 01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:17,840 um our fee schedule, about emergency 2793 01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:22,159 plans, about your future planning, 2794 01:51:22,159 --> 01:51:24,719 >> and this is required by the state. 2795 01:51:24,719 --> 01:51:28,239 >> How many lines of sewer you have, miles, 2796 01:51:28,239 --> 01:51:30,719 excuse me, do they know how many hours? 2797 01:51:30,719 --> 01:51:33,522 We've talked about sewer in the last. 2798 01:51:33,522 --> 01:51:34,719 [laughter] 2799 01:51:34,719 --> 01:51:39,510 >> No, they don't. 2800 01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:41,440 » I'm assuming that you've gone through 2801 01:51:41,440 --> 01:51:44,560 this. Um, you probably assisted in 2802 01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:46,639 filling it out, but it's it's accurate. 2803 01:51:46,639 --> 01:51:48,320 I mean, I look through. 2804 01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:51,360 >> So, Marcus, Aspen, and I 2805 01:51:51,360 --> 01:51:53,040 >> all three of you. 2806 01:51:53,040 --> 01:51:56,629 >> Okay. 2807 01:51:56,639 --> 01:52:00,560 » As much as any discussion. No, this is 2808 01:52:00,560 --> 01:52:02,080 just a report, right? This is just what 2809 01:52:02,080 --> 01:52:03,360 we're saying. This is what we have. 2810 01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:04,800 >> Yep. 2811 01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:06,480 >> All right. Mayor, I move that we a 2812 01:52:06,480 --> 01:52:08,880 motion that we approve resolution 2813 01:52:08,880 --> 01:52:10,400 2026-13 2814 01:52:10,400 --> 01:52:12,560 adopting the 2026 municipal wastewater 2815 01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:15,920 planning program and WPP reports. 2816 01:52:15,920 --> 01:52:18,080 >> Thank you. All right. We have a a motion 2817 01:52:18,080 --> 01:52:19,599 by Council Member Skinner and a second 2818 01:52:19,599 --> 01:52:22,719 by Council Member Butler. All in favor? 2819 01:52:22,719 --> 01:52:23,599 >> I. 2820 01:52:23,599 --> 01:52:26,159 >> Thank you. 2821 01:52:26,159 --> 01:52:28,000 Item number nine, consideration of 2822 01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:30,960 resolution 2026-14 2823 01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:33,199 approving a wildland fire management 2824 01:52:33,199 --> 01:52:37,990 cooperative agreement. 2825 01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:39,440 » That's you, Chief. 2826 01:52:39,440 --> 01:52:42,480 >> Now, one's mine. 2827 01:52:42,480 --> 01:52:44,639 >> All right. Good evening, Mayor, council 2828 01:52:44,639 --> 01:52:46,400 members. For the record, my name is Fire 2829 01:52:46,400 --> 01:52:48,320 Chief Jason Remick, and I'm here tonight 2830 01:52:48,320 --> 01:52:50,800 to request approval for the 2026 2831 01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:52,000 cooperative agreement between 2832 01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:54,159 Grantsville City and the Utah Division 2833 01:52:54,159 --> 01:52:57,679 of Forestry, Forestry, Fire, State Lands 2834 01:52:57,679 --> 01:53:00,400 for Wildland Fire Protection. This 2835 01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:02,080 agreement is the framework that allows 2836 01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:04,320 our crews to pivot rapidly initial 2837 01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:06,080 attack and wildland fires within our 2838 01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:08,639 response area while also ensures we can 2839 01:53:08,639 --> 01:53:11,440 quickly access the state resources 2840 01:53:11,440 --> 01:53:13,360 up to and including incident management 2841 01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:15,360 support and aviation when an incident 2842 01:53:15,360 --> 01:53:18,000 grows beyond our local capacity. 2843 01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:19,920 >> Um this is how we make money off the 2844 01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:21,760 state when we go out on wildland fires. 2845 01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:23,280 They pay us, they pay the fire 2846 01:53:23,280 --> 01:53:25,520 department, they pay the city. 2847 01:53:25,520 --> 01:53:26,960 >> Great. 2848 01:53:26,960 --> 01:53:28,719 >> I think that's another thing we do every 2849 01:53:28,719 --> 01:53:30,000 year, right? Yeah. 2850 01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:30,880 >> Yeah. 2851 01:53:30,880 --> 01:53:33,388 >> And this is a fiveyear agreement 2852 01:53:33,388 --> 01:53:34,320 [clears throat] 2853 01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:46,709 >> or fiveyear agreement. 2854 01:53:46,719 --> 01:53:50,880 does I this question probably doesn't 2855 01:53:50,880 --> 01:53:52,800 pertain to this agreement at all in any 2856 01:53:52,800 --> 01:53:54,800 way, shape, or form, but I just had to 2857 01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:58,480 clarify the discussion that's been had 2858 01:53:58,480 --> 01:54:01,360 at the state level to 2859 01:54:01,360 --> 01:54:03,920 change areas that are designated as fire 2860 01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:04,400 zones. 2861 01:54:04,400 --> 01:54:07,040 >> The wooi, that's totally different. 2862 01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:08,880 >> I just wanted to make sure that wasn't 2863 01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:11,760 okay. because I Anyway, yeah, 2864 01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:13,199 >> totally different conversation. 2865 01:54:13,199 --> 01:54:13,840 >> Okay. All right. 2866 01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:15,440 >> Is this just a standard? Is there 2867 01:54:15,440 --> 01:54:16,880 anything different in here that you guys 2868 01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:18,639 >> No, this is the same thing. Just then we 2869 01:54:18,639 --> 01:54:21,199 get paid back for when we go out on the 2870 01:54:21,199 --> 01:54:22,960 state lines. 2871 01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:25,199 >> And if we break a truck, they fix the 2872 01:54:25,199 --> 01:54:25,679 truck. 2873 01:54:25,679 --> 01:54:27,199 >> Okay. 2874 01:54:27,199 --> 01:54:30,400 >> Does what they pay you increase over 2875 01:54:30,400 --> 01:54:31,920 everything or does it kind of stay the 2876 01:54:31,920 --> 01:54:33,119 same all? 2877 01:54:33,119 --> 01:54:35,119 >> It's kind of 2878 01:54:35,119 --> 01:54:38,000 went up and up a little bit. I mean, 2879 01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:40,199 they pay pretty good when 2880 01:54:40,199 --> 01:54:44,320 [clears throat] we go out on fires. So, 2881 01:54:44,320 --> 01:54:46,639 our tender is what makes the money when 2882 01:54:46,639 --> 01:54:49,360 we go park it out and they use it for 2883 01:54:49,360 --> 01:54:51,840 weeks. And I got a feeling this year 2884 01:54:51,840 --> 01:54:52,960 we're going to need it. 2885 01:54:52,960 --> 01:54:54,880 >> Yeah. I mean, money is great, but I just 2886 01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:56,880 rather not have any fires. So, 2887 01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:58,800 >> I I agree. I would rather not have 2888 01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:00,320 fires. Last year was very slow. So, 2889 01:55:00,320 --> 01:55:01,679 >> we might not have any fires. There might 2890 01:55:01,679 --> 01:55:04,000 not be anything to burn. 2891 01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:07,910 >> Might all be dead. [laughter] 2892 01:55:07,920 --> 01:55:09,280 just dirt. 2893 01:55:09,280 --> 01:55:10,560 >> Is there anything in this agreement? 2894 01:55:10,560 --> 01:55:12,719 You've I mean obviously gone through 2895 01:55:12,719 --> 01:55:14,719 this go through it every year. Is there 2896 01:55:14,719 --> 01:55:16,480 anything that has changed or anything we 2897 01:55:16,480 --> 01:55:18,719 need to be aware of that's different or 2898 01:55:18,719 --> 01:55:20,719 anything that concerns you? 2899 01:55:20,719 --> 01:55:23,360 >> Not at this point. No. And obviously 2900 01:55:23,360 --> 01:55:26,000 Michael and the attorney will be signing 2901 01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:28,159 the agreement. I will not be. 2902 01:55:28,159 --> 01:55:29,520 >> And we've reviewed it. We don't have any 2903 01:55:29,520 --> 01:55:30,719 problem with it. Right. T 2904 01:55:30,719 --> 01:55:33,679 >> correct. 2905 01:55:33,679 --> 01:55:36,080 >> Mayor, I'll make a motion. We approve 2906 01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:38,480 resolution 2026-14 2907 01:55:38,480 --> 01:55:41,440 approving a wild wild land fire 2908 01:55:41,440 --> 01:55:43,599 management cooperative agreement. 2909 01:55:43,599 --> 01:55:45,840 >> Okay, we have a motion by council member 2910 01:55:45,840 --> 01:55:47,920 uh Dalton. Do we have a second? 2911 01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:48,719 >> Second. 2912 01:55:48,719 --> 01:55:50,639 by council member Butler. All in 2913 01:55:50,639 --> 01:55:51,520 favor? 2914 01:55:51,520 --> 01:55:52,719 >> I. 2915 01:55:52,719 --> 01:55:53,199 >> All right. 2916 01:55:53,199 --> 01:55:53,599 >> Thank you. 2917 01:55:53,599 --> 01:55:56,080 Thanks, Chief. 2918 01:55:56,080 --> 01:55:59,199 Item number 10, consider consideration 2919 01:55:59,199 --> 01:56:01,599 of a proposed revision update to the 2920 01:56:01,599 --> 01:56:04,480 city's annexation policy plan. Thank 2921 01:56:04,480 --> 01:56:05,040 you, Bill. 2922 01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:06,960 >> Hello, everybody. 2923 01:56:06,960 --> 01:56:09,840 >> Great meeting. Thank you very much. This 2924 01:56:09,840 --> 01:56:13,199 is a proposal to update our 2925 01:56:13,199 --> 01:56:16,159 Excuse me. Oh, that just got me. Um, our 2926 01:56:16,159 --> 01:56:19,280 annexation policy plan. An annexation 2927 01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:21,520 policy plan is not required, but it's 2928 01:56:21,520 --> 01:56:23,679 recommended that cities have them. And 2929 01:56:23,679 --> 01:56:25,040 if you're going to have them per state 2930 01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:26,560 code, there are some requirements that 2931 01:56:26,560 --> 01:56:28,480 we have to follow, including some 2932 01:56:28,480 --> 01:56:30,800 noticing requirements that uh we just 2933 01:56:30,800 --> 01:56:32,320 found out about. And so we'll bring this 2934 01:56:32,320 --> 01:56:34,800 back to you in midappril 2935 01:56:34,800 --> 01:56:37,599 u for an actual approval. But since it's 2936 01:56:37,599 --> 01:56:40,000 on the agenda and it's a good idea to 2937 01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:42,320 warm you guys up to what is in the 2938 01:56:42,320 --> 01:56:45,520 document anyway um this is uh a good 2939 01:56:45,520 --> 01:56:47,599 time to talk about it. Um but we just 2940 01:56:47,599 --> 01:56:50,480 can't take any action on it tonight. So 2941 01:56:50,480 --> 01:56:54,880 uh this item is uh a statement of 2942 01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:58,560 policy. It's a a a what it's saying is 2943 01:56:58,560 --> 01:57:00,560 in essence this is where we anticipate 2944 01:57:00,560 --> 01:57:03,280 the city to grow out to in the next 20 2945 01:57:03,280 --> 01:57:06,800 to 50 to 100 years. And really what it 2946 01:57:06,800 --> 01:57:09,440 means is as a property develops anywhere 2947 01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:12,480 within the annexation area, the city has 2948 01:57:12,480 --> 01:57:14,239 the first bite of the apple, the first 2949 01:57:14,239 --> 01:57:16,400 right of refusal on whether or not we 2950 01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:19,599 accept an annexation petition into the 2951 01:57:19,599 --> 01:57:21,840 city. Um this [clears throat] covers 2952 01:57:21,840 --> 01:57:24,880 three main areas. Area A is on the 2953 01:57:24,880 --> 01:57:27,520 northwest quadrant of the city that 2954 01:57:27,520 --> 01:57:30,719 extends from the Broken Arrow uh area 2955 01:57:30,719 --> 01:57:33,280 all the way north and includes Stanbury 2956 01:57:33,280 --> 01:57:36,960 Island. Um area B and it's a little hard 2957 01:57:36,960 --> 01:57:38,560 to read on that but that's this mostly 2958 01:57:38,560 --> 01:57:41,840 the sixmile ranch area uh the area north 2959 01:57:41,840 --> 01:57:44,800 and west of Mid Valley Highway. And then 2960 01:57:44,800 --> 01:57:47,679 area C is the southwest quadrant of the 2961 01:57:47,679 --> 01:57:51,199 city and it's mostly open space and 2962 01:57:51,199 --> 01:57:53,119 would be anticipated to remain open 2963 01:57:53,119 --> 01:57:55,199 space with large lot kind of 2964 01:57:55,199 --> 01:57:56,880 development. 2965 01:57:56,880 --> 01:57:59,440 And the reason why the city would want 2966 01:57:59,440 --> 01:58:01,760 to entertain this kind of thing is is uh 2967 01:58:01,760 --> 01:58:05,119 a couple of reasons actually. Um, as we 2968 01:58:05,119 --> 01:58:07,840 look to the future and as areas continue 2969 01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:10,320 to feel pressure to develop, uh, the 2970 01:58:10,320 --> 01:58:12,480 city would want to have a say in how 2971 01:58:12,480 --> 01:58:14,480 that develops and what that looks like. 2972 01:58:14,480 --> 01:58:16,480 We would want to make sure that the 2973 01:58:16,480 --> 01:58:18,639 infrastructure costs are being borne by 2974 01:58:18,639 --> 01:58:20,800 developers, not by the city. We would 2975 01:58:20,800 --> 01:58:22,239 want to make sure that th those that 2976 01:58:22,239 --> 01:58:24,800 infrastructure as it goes in meets city 2977 01:58:24,800 --> 01:58:26,480 standards as well. 2978 01:58:26,480 --> 01:58:28,880 um it would uh we would apply things 2979 01:58:28,880 --> 01:58:31,119 like zoning regulations and and other 2980 01:58:31,119 --> 01:58:34,320 things out there in th those uh to be 2981 01:58:34,320 --> 01:58:38,159 annexed areas. And so while this is not 2982 01:58:38,159 --> 01:58:41,199 anything more firm than 2983 01:58:41,199 --> 01:58:44,480 this is area that we anticipate annexing 2984 01:58:44,480 --> 01:58:48,159 into the city if and when that time ever 2985 01:58:48,159 --> 01:58:52,320 comes. Um, it still is our our, like I 2986 01:58:52,320 --> 01:58:54,159 say, our bite of the apple to say this 2987 01:58:54,159 --> 01:58:57,440 is where we anticipate annexing property 2988 01:58:57,440 --> 01:59:02,870 into the city. 2989 01:59:02,880 --> 01:59:05,520 One other thing I want to make clear, 2990 01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:07,520 nowhere in here is the city on the hook 2991 01:59:07,520 --> 01:59:09,599 for any kind of infrastructure 2992 01:59:09,599 --> 01:59:12,239 development. We're not paying for roads, 2993 01:59:12,239 --> 01:59:14,000 water, sewer, or any of those other 2994 01:59:14,000 --> 01:59:16,719 kinds of connections. the developers as 2995 01:59:16,719 --> 01:59:18,639 they annex into the city would have to 2996 01:59:18,639 --> 01:59:21,119 hook on to at their cost our our 2997 01:59:21,119 --> 01:59:24,880 existing system and pay impact fees 2998 01:59:24,880 --> 01:59:27,760 um that would uh help offset the impact 2999 01:59:27,760 --> 01:59:33,040 on our existing infrastructure. So um 3000 01:59:33,040 --> 01:59:34,800 I just want to make that clear. This is 3001 01:59:34,800 --> 01:59:36,880 not us saying we're going to go grab 3002 01:59:36,880 --> 01:59:38,239 this land and pull it into the city 3003 01:59:38,239 --> 01:59:40,880 without any kind of funding or or 3004 01:59:40,880 --> 01:59:49,430 anything like that for infrastructure. 3005 01:59:49,440 --> 01:59:51,119 So, is this for somebody that wants to 3006 01:59:51,119 --> 01:59:52,639 annex into the city? They were saying 3007 01:59:52,639 --> 01:59:53,840 here's the plan of if you want to do 3008 01:59:53,840 --> 01:59:55,040 that, here's what you have to follow. 3009 01:59:55,040 --> 01:59:56,159 That's kind of the way this is. 3010 01:59:56,159 --> 01:59:57,920 >> Yes, that's exactly right. And which 3011 01:59:57,920 --> 02:00:01,360 areas the city is designating as 3012 02:00:01,360 --> 02:00:03,599 >> you we would entertain that. Yeah. So 3013 02:00:03,599 --> 02:00:05,599 for example, there are some properties 3014 02:00:05,599 --> 02:00:08,480 obviously uh that are either in Erdo or 3015 02:00:08,480 --> 02:00:11,520 Tilla or you know maybe even that area 3016 02:00:11,520 --> 02:00:15,119 between area A and C that we would not 3017 02:00:15,119 --> 02:00:17,760 consider to be areas uh that we would 3018 02:00:17,760 --> 02:00:21,840 annex into the city. Um but the areas A, 3019 02:00:21,840 --> 02:00:23,679 B, and C are definitely areas we would 3020 02:00:23,679 --> 02:00:26,239 consider if they could bring the 3021 02:00:26,239 --> 02:00:28,320 infrastructure in with them. We would 3022 02:00:28,320 --> 02:00:40,070 consider that. 3023 02:00:40,080 --> 02:00:41,840 Does anyone have any questions on that 3024 02:00:41,840 --> 02:00:43,679 or have anything they want to discuss 3025 02:00:43,679 --> 02:00:47,040 regarding the annexation plan? 3026 02:00:47,040 --> 02:00:50,480 >> Stbury Island seems like a far-fetched 3027 02:00:50,480 --> 02:00:53,440 I don't know. I just 3028 02:00:53,440 --> 02:00:56,639 that just seems like anything on the 3029 02:00:56,639 --> 02:00:59,280 other side of I80. I I just I just don't 3030 02:00:59,280 --> 02:01:02,480 know if that's something we need to look 3031 02:01:02,480 --> 02:01:05,679 that far out into. If someone wants to 3032 02:01:05,679 --> 02:01:08,480 create a city on Sansbury Island, then 3033 02:01:08,480 --> 02:01:10,560 more power to them. I just And I'm not 3034 02:01:10,560 --> 02:01:12,400 saying we'd annex that in. It would have 3035 02:01:12,400 --> 02:01:15,280 to be a decision, right, at a at a 3036 02:01:15,280 --> 02:01:16,880 different council at a different date. 3037 02:01:16,880 --> 02:01:18,639 But 3038 02:01:18,639 --> 02:01:20,960 >> I think what this does, if correct me if 3039 02:01:20,960 --> 02:01:22,639 I'm wrong, Bill, it just means that we 3040 02:01:22,639 --> 02:01:24,719 have the the first right to it, 3041 02:01:24,719 --> 02:01:26,159 >> the first bite of the apple. You 3042 02:01:26,159 --> 02:01:30,790 mentioned that. I get it. 3043 02:01:30,800 --> 02:01:32,639 » I think what we would like to avoid, and 3044 02:01:32,639 --> 02:01:34,800 this is just me speaking uh for myself, 3045 02:01:34,800 --> 02:01:35,920 but [clears throat] what I think we 3046 02:01:35,920 --> 02:01:37,520 would like to avoid is a situation like 3047 02:01:37,520 --> 02:01:41,119 Eagle Mountain where they developed way 3048 02:01:41,119 --> 02:01:42,560 out in the middle of nowhere to avoid 3049 02:01:42,560 --> 02:01:44,960 the costs of coming into a city and they 3050 02:01:44,960 --> 02:01:49,520 formed their own. And um now I mean 3051 02:01:49,520 --> 02:01:52,000 you've seen what has happened out there. 3052 02:01:52,000 --> 02:01:54,000 >> Um it's crazy. 3053 02:01:54,000 --> 02:01:55,679 >> I was just out there. It was crazy. It's 3054 02:01:55,679 --> 02:01:58,639 an it's it's not very well done. I'm 3055 02:01:58,639 --> 02:02:01,760 just gonna Yeah. And we want to avoid 3056 02:02:01,760 --> 02:02:04,480 that kind of thing. So, Stanberry 3057 02:02:04,480 --> 02:02:06,800 Island, yes, probably not in our 3058 02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:08,639 lifetime or my children or my 3059 02:02:08,639 --> 02:02:10,159 grandchildren's lifetime would that ever 3060 02:02:10,159 --> 02:02:12,639 develop. And the other thing is that I 3061 02:02:12,639 --> 02:02:14,320 think it's about twothirds of the island 3062 02:02:14,320 --> 02:02:18,000 is owned by the BLM anyway. So, it's highly unlikely that would ever 3063 02:02:18,000 --> 02:02:21,360 develop. But there are other industrial 3064 02:02:21,360 --> 02:02:24,239 type uses out there that one could see 3065 02:02:24,239 --> 02:02:26,560 wanting to develop out on the island. 3066 02:02:26,560 --> 02:02:29,199 Things like salt processing or or 3067 02:02:29,199 --> 02:02:31,360 mineral mining or lithium. I know that's 3068 02:02:31,360 --> 02:02:35,360 a big one, too. If that were to come out 3069 02:02:35,360 --> 02:02:37,280 and they had enough horsepower to get 3070 02:02:37,280 --> 02:02:39,280 our services out there or wanted to, you 3071 02:02:39,280 --> 02:02:42,239 know, flom onto our ability to provide 3072 02:02:42,239 --> 02:02:44,320 services, 3073 02:02:44,320 --> 02:02:45,599 that could be something that we would 3074 02:02:45,599 --> 02:02:47,199 want to consider at that point because 3075 02:02:47,199 --> 02:02:50,560 that would be a very nice tax base kind 3076 02:02:50,560 --> 02:02:53,199 of income revenue source for us and we'd 3077 02:02:53,199 --> 02:02:55,119 want to consider that. 3078 02:02:55,119 --> 02:03:00,400 So again, um the uh just to make another 3079 02:03:00,400 --> 02:03:02,719 thing clear, the planning commission did 3080 02:03:02,719 --> 02:03:04,400 review this map. This was their 3081 02:03:04,400 --> 02:03:06,560 recommended map and the the policy plan 3082 02:03:06,560 --> 02:03:09,040 as written and so they voted to make a 3083 02:03:09,040 --> 02:03:11,599 recommendation for approval of the 3084 02:03:11,599 --> 02:03:19,589 annexation policy plan. So, 3085 02:03:19,599 --> 02:03:21,440 » Bill, just for education, really, this 3086 02:03:21,440 --> 02:03:23,199 question has nothing to do with this, 3087 02:03:23,199 --> 02:03:27,280 and I've just been pondering our earlier 3088 02:03:27,280 --> 02:03:28,800 two or three times since I've been on 3089 02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:31,199 the council, we have discussed paying an 3090 02:03:31,199 --> 02:03:33,679 upcharge fee to increase the size of the 3091 02:03:33,679 --> 02:03:37,920 line. Given the the growth that we know 3092 02:03:37,920 --> 02:03:40,159 is happening, why wouldn't we just 3093 02:03:40,159 --> 02:03:43,760 require the the upsized line, if that 3094 02:03:43,760 --> 02:03:44,719 makes sense? 3095 02:03:44,719 --> 02:03:46,960 >> Yeah. There's there's a there's a delta 3096 02:03:46,960 --> 02:03:49,840 between what a developer requires for a 3097 02:03:49,840 --> 02:03:51,440 development, say it's a 12-in water 3098 02:03:51,440 --> 02:03:55,199 line, right? and the um what we can 3099 02:03:55,199 --> 02:03:57,679 anticipate as a city with engineering 3100 02:03:57,679 --> 02:03:59,280 and careful planning and and 3101 02:03:59,280 --> 02:04:00,880 anticipating the zoning and everything 3102 02:04:00,880 --> 02:04:03,520 else that's going on. Maybe we want a 15 3103 02:04:03,520 --> 02:04:05,199 or an 18 inch line, 3104 02:04:05,199 --> 02:04:05,920 >> right? 3105 02:04:05,920 --> 02:04:07,599 >> We pay the difference. 3106 02:04:07,599 --> 02:04:08,800 >> So if it's 3107 02:04:08,800 --> 02:04:10,800 >> that's what I'm asking. Why are we doing 3108 02:04:10,800 --> 02:04:11,599 that? Like 3109 02:04:11,599 --> 02:04:14,000 >> well because it for for a couple 3110 02:04:14,000 --> 02:04:16,400 reasons. It's much much much less 3111 02:04:16,400 --> 02:04:18,719 expensive to pay for that 6 in 3112 02:04:18,719 --> 02:04:21,760 difference in the in the waterline size. 3113 02:04:21,760 --> 02:04:22,400 increase 3114 02:04:22,400 --> 02:04:25,599 >> and and it's only one trench at one time 3115 02:04:25,599 --> 02:04:28,480 and as opposed to having to go in again 3116 02:04:28,480 --> 02:04:31,840 in the same vicinity and either put in a 3117 02:04:31,840 --> 02:04:35,520 separate line or rip the road back out 3118 02:04:35,520 --> 02:04:38,159 10, 15, 20 years later and put in that 3119 02:04:38,159 --> 02:04:40,480 15 or 18inch line that we should have 3120 02:04:40,480 --> 02:04:42,080 done when they first did it. 3121 02:04:42,080 --> 02:04:44,639 >> A prime example is um Dorvy Home water 3122 02:04:44,639 --> 02:04:47,040 line that goes up to our new million 3123 02:04:47,040 --> 02:04:47,760 dollar tank, 3124 02:04:47,760 --> 02:04:48,639 >> right? 3125 02:04:48,639 --> 02:04:50,639 uh they only needed I think a 12 inch 3126 02:04:50,639 --> 02:04:53,119 line and we upsized it to 16. We're only 3127 02:04:53,119 --> 02:04:54,719 paying 100,000 for that and they're 3128 02:04:54,719 --> 02:04:56,480 paying a couple million to put in the 3129 02:04:56,480 --> 02:04:57,599 line. 3130 02:04:57,599 --> 02:04:58,560 >> There's an efficiency. 3131 02:04:58,560 --> 02:05:00,480 >> We can't require it. 3132 02:05:00,480 --> 02:05:02,000 >> And so we pay the difference between 3133 02:05:02,000 --> 02:05:04,239 that and then we get that extra 3134 02:05:04,239 --> 02:05:09,006 >> capacity that we can comm 3135 02:05:09,006 --> 02:05:10,159 [clears throat] 3136 02:05:10,159 --> 02:05:12,159 >> but anyone that ties to that 3137 02:05:12,159 --> 02:05:14,400 >> then they pay that's the impact fee that 3138 02:05:14,400 --> 02:05:14,880 we can charge 3139 02:05:14,880 --> 02:05:16,080 >> then we yeah 3140 02:05:16,080 --> 02:05:17,360 >> we recoup those costs. 3141 02:05:17,360 --> 02:05:19,040 >> So the Vegas straight line 3142 02:05:19,040 --> 02:05:20,639 >> Yep. 3143 02:05:20,639 --> 02:05:22,880 The city obviously didn't pay to upgrade 3144 02:05:22,880 --> 02:05:25,119 that line when it was put in. 3145 02:05:25,119 --> 02:05:26,639 >> We should have. 3146 02:05:26,639 --> 02:05:27,520 >> Yeah. 3147 02:05:27,520 --> 02:05:29,360 >> But it's it's hard to say. 3148 02:05:29,360 --> 02:05:34,239 >> How do we plan better or 3149 02:05:34,239 --> 02:05:36,960 is that does this help us? 3150 02:05:36,960 --> 02:05:38,639 >> Well, without false modesty, that's why 3151 02:05:38,639 --> 02:05:40,719 you hire a guy like me to come in and 3152 02:05:40,719 --> 02:05:42,719 help. No, I'm being serious. If you hire 3153 02:05:42,719 --> 02:05:44,080 a guy like me, I'm not saying me 3154 02:05:44,080 --> 02:05:46,960 necessarily, whatever. but uh someone 3155 02:05:46,960 --> 02:05:49,760 that can has the the experience and 3156 02:05:49,760 --> 02:05:51,840 foresight to look forward and say, you 3157 02:05:51,840 --> 02:05:55,360 know, guys, we're we're paying $3 3158 02:05:55,360 --> 02:05:57,440 million to put in this sewer line. If we 3159 02:05:57,440 --> 02:06:01,440 paid another $500,000, it would service 3160 02:06:01,440 --> 02:06:03,440 not just this area, but every other area 3161 02:06:03,440 --> 02:06:07,679 in the vicinity for the next 100 years. 3162 02:06:07,679 --> 02:06:09,679 And that cost is only getting more 3163 02:06:09,679 --> 02:06:11,440 expensive. And because the developer is 3164 02:06:11,440 --> 02:06:15,119 doing it right now, he's paying the lion 3165 02:06:15,119 --> 02:06:17,360 share of it and we're just paying a a 3166 02:06:17,360 --> 02:06:19,840 very minor upsizing charge. 3167 02:06:19,840 --> 02:06:21,440 >> Yeah. Which we we've done enough. 3168 02:06:21,440 --> 02:06:21,760 >> Yeah. 3169 02:06:21,760 --> 02:06:23,199 >> I like your answer. Good job. 3170 02:06:23,199 --> 02:06:24,080 >> Yeah. Thanks. [clears throat] 3171 02:06:24,080 --> 02:06:26,639 >> Perfect. 3172 02:06:26,639 --> 02:06:28,960 >> So, we're not we're not approving this. 3173 02:06:28,960 --> 02:06:29,599 >> We cannot. Right. 3174 02:06:29,599 --> 02:06:30,960 >> No, but if you do have questions or 3175 02:06:30,960 --> 02:06:32,960 thoughts or concerns, let me know. And 3176 02:06:32,960 --> 02:06:35,440 if if I've missed something or I I 3177 02:06:35,440 --> 02:06:37,280 misspelling or whatever, let me know, 3178 02:06:37,280 --> 02:06:38,560 please. and and we'll make those 3179 02:06:38,560 --> 02:06:42,719 adjustments as necessary. Um but uh we 3180 02:06:42,719 --> 02:06:46,320 feel good about where this is going and um the planning commissioner 3181 02:06:46,320 --> 02:06:48,800 recommends approval as well. So um 3182 02:06:48,800 --> 02:06:50,639 that's where we're at with that. 3183 02:06:50,639 --> 02:06:51,119 >> Perfect. 3184 02:06:51,119 --> 02:06:51,599 >> Thank you. 3185 02:06:51,599 --> 02:06:52,800 >> Yep. 3186 02:06:52,800 --> 02:06:54,639 >> Any other items of discussion for that? 3187 02:06:54,639 --> 02:06:58,800 Are we ready to move on? 3188 02:06:58,800 --> 02:06:59,599 >> Okay. 3189 02:06:59,599 --> 02:07:01,599 >> All right. We'll close item 10 and move 3190 02:07:01,599 --> 02:07:04,320 to item 11. consideration of ordinance 3191 02:07:04,320 --> 02:07:06,000 2026-17 3192 02:07:06,000 --> 02:07:08,079 approving amendments to chapter 2 of the 3193 02:07:08,079 --> 02:07:10,800 Grantsville City Land Use and Management 3194 02:07:10,800 --> 02:07:12,239 Code. 3195 02:07:12,239 --> 02:07:15,280 >> So, if Shelby were here, and she's not, 3196 02:07:15,280 --> 02:07:17,360 bless her, she's taking care of some 3197 02:07:17,360 --> 02:07:20,320 family things and 3198 02:07:20,320 --> 02:07:23,840 yeah, she that's wonderful. um she would 3199 02:07:23,840 --> 02:07:26,800 go through this line by line and I'm 3200 02:07:26,800 --> 02:07:28,639 prepared to do that if you'd like, but 3201 02:07:28,639 --> 02:07:31,199 my style is more of to open it up to 3202 02:07:31,199 --> 02:07:33,040 questions and or just give you a general 3203 02:07:33,040 --> 02:07:35,760 overview of what's going on if you have 3204 02:07:35,760 --> 02:07:40,400 uh any concerns or thoughts that way. 3205 02:07:40,400 --> 02:07:41,760 >> Yeah, I think will you give us the 3206 02:07:41,760 --> 02:07:43,119 overview and then we can ask questions. 3207 02:07:43,119 --> 02:07:44,320 >> Okay, perfect. [laughter] 3208 02:07:44,320 --> 02:07:47,599 So, uh, chapter two is our definitions 3209 02:07:47,599 --> 02:07:50,079 chapter of the ordinance, and I think 3210 02:07:50,079 --> 02:07:51,760 that's pretty obvious. Some of the 3211 02:07:51,760 --> 02:07:53,599 things that were in there are better 3212 02:07:53,599 --> 02:07:58,000 placed where they're closer to the uh, 3213 02:07:58,000 --> 02:08:00,320 questions of concern. For example, most 3214 02:08:00,320 --> 02:08:02,000 of the ones that are in red that you'll 3215 02:08:02,000 --> 02:08:04,079 see that are deleted have to do with our 3216 02:08:04,079 --> 02:08:06,719 sign ordinance, which is in chapter 20. 3217 02:08:06,719 --> 02:08:09,599 So those got removed from 3218 02:08:09,599 --> 02:08:11,920 u this chapter and they will be placed 3219 02:08:11,920 --> 02:08:15,040 in chapter 20 when those changes are 3220 02:08:15,040 --> 02:08:19,599 brought before you in a couple weeks. 3221 02:08:19,599 --> 02:08:21,599 Um there are other things that were in 3222 02:08:21,599 --> 02:08:23,280 here that needed a little bit of 3223 02:08:23,280 --> 02:08:25,840 tweaking uh just in the name of 3224 02:08:25,840 --> 02:08:30,159 clarification and um 3225 02:08:30,159 --> 02:08:33,040 just yeah and so you'll you'll notice 3226 02:08:33,040 --> 02:08:34,719 there are a few minor little tweaks here 3227 02:08:34,719 --> 02:08:37,040 and there but then the larger ones are 3228 02:08:37,040 --> 02:08:40,079 the are the big definitions in green 3229 02:08:40,079 --> 02:08:41,760 that if you could go down I think it's 3230 02:08:41,760 --> 02:08:43,599 there's like a conditional use permit 3231 02:08:43,599 --> 02:08:45,119 definition. 3232 02:08:45,119 --> 02:08:49,189 Um, 3233 02:08:49,199 --> 02:08:49,760 » keep going. 3234 02:08:49,760 --> 02:08:51,360 >> There's dozens of them. 3235 02:08:51,360 --> 02:08:53,440 >> Keep going. So, 3236 02:08:53,440 --> 02:08:56,719 >> yeah, there you go. 3237 02:08:56,719 --> 02:08:58,400 >> So, there's community garden. We didn't 3238 02:08:58,400 --> 02:09:00,000 have a definition for that, although 3239 02:09:00,000 --> 02:09:02,400 that was a a use in one of our use 3240 02:09:02,400 --> 02:09:04,400 tables. So, we wanted to define that 3241 02:09:04,400 --> 02:09:06,880 concept plan. This is an interesting one 3242 02:09:06,880 --> 02:09:10,400 because uh state code does not require a 3243 02:09:10,400 --> 02:09:14,400 concept plan, but if a developer wants 3244 02:09:14,400 --> 02:09:16,480 to, this is where it's defined as to 3245 02:09:16,480 --> 02:09:19,119 what we're looking for. Um, and then 3246 02:09:19,119 --> 02:09:20,960 conditional use permit. We kind of flesh 3247 02:09:20,960 --> 02:09:24,239 that out here. 3248 02:09:24,239 --> 02:09:25,920 We've got it separated out into 3249 02:09:25,920 --> 02:09:28,320 conditional use and conditional use 3250 02:09:28,320 --> 02:09:31,840 permit. So, those are are the what you 3251 02:09:31,840 --> 02:09:33,520 see in green there is all new 3252 02:09:33,520 --> 02:09:37,830 information. 3253 02:09:37,840 --> 02:09:39,360 And there are several of them that are 3254 02:09:39,360 --> 02:09:54,790 like that. 3255 02:09:54,800 --> 02:09:58,079 So, this was um proposed through 3256 02:09:58,079 --> 02:10:00,639 obviously planning and zoning and they 3257 02:10:00,639 --> 02:10:03,679 vetted through this the last 3258 02:10:03,679 --> 02:10:05,440 >> it's been several months really 3259 02:10:05,440 --> 02:10:06,320 >> three meetings. 3260 02:10:06,320 --> 02:10:07,199 >> Yeah. 3261 02:10:07,199 --> 02:10:07,840 >> At least. 3262 02:10:07,840 --> 02:10:09,280 >> And we're just talking definitions here. 3263 02:10:09,280 --> 02:10:10,400 So, we're just defining these some of 3264 02:10:10,400 --> 02:10:12,079 the correct terms. Any of the red ones 3265 02:10:12,079 --> 02:10:13,440 that are outlined, we're taking those 3266 02:10:13,440 --> 02:10:14,560 out and putting them in different 3267 02:10:14,560 --> 02:10:16,000 chapters just so they fit with 3268 02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:18,320 >> Yes, that's right. Okay. So we're not 3269 02:10:18,320 --> 02:10:19,440 like taking them out completely. They're 3270 02:10:19,440 --> 02:10:20,159 just going to be placed 3271 02:10:20,159 --> 02:10:22,000 >> move to like I said most of them are 3272 02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:24,560 going to chapter 20 which is our sign 3273 02:10:24,560 --> 02:10:26,320 ordinance and all of the sign 3274 02:10:26,320 --> 02:10:27,840 definitions didn't make sense here. 3275 02:10:27,840 --> 02:10:29,679 Let's move it to chapter 20 where it's a 3276 02:10:29,679 --> 02:10:32,079 little closer to the to the action as it 3277 02:10:32,079 --> 02:10:33,199 were. 3278 02:10:33,199 --> 02:10:34,719 >> Like we have electric awning sign is 3279 02:10:34,719 --> 02:10:36,719 taken out percentage. 3280 02:10:36,719 --> 02:10:37,199 >> Yeah, 3281 02:10:37,199 --> 02:10:39,280 >> that makes sense. 3282 02:10:39,280 --> 02:10:42,159 >> That looks like a lot of legal ease. 3283 02:10:42,159 --> 02:10:44,320 >> This was approved unanimously by 3284 02:10:44,320 --> 02:10:49,030 planning and zoning. Yep. 3285 02:10:49,040 --> 02:10:51,520 Do we define the front yard? 3286 02:10:51,520 --> 02:10:54,560 >> Kind of. It looks like it. 3287 02:10:54,560 --> 02:10:55,280 >> You had to go there. 3288 02:10:55,280 --> 02:10:55,840 >> Corner lot. 3289 02:10:55,840 --> 02:10:57,360 I see the corner lot. I 3290 02:10:57,360 --> 02:10:58,560 didn't see the front. 3291 02:10:58,560 --> 02:11:00,880 >> Yeah. Corner lot. Um 3292 02:11:00,880 --> 02:11:03,760 >> lots rather than yards. 3293 02:11:03,760 --> 02:11:07,840 >> Um just one thing on number 96, family 3294 02:11:07,840 --> 02:11:09,040 food production. I'm not going to get 3295 02:11:09,040 --> 02:11:10,400 into what we talk what they all went 3296 02:11:10,400 --> 02:11:12,560 into, but it says 96 and then it says 3297 02:11:12,560 --> 02:11:18,159 104 next to it. So, I don't know what um 3298 02:11:18,159 --> 02:11:21,520 that was a mistake or keep going. 96. 3299 02:11:21,520 --> 02:11:22,400 >> Go up. 3300 02:11:22,400 --> 02:11:24,400 >> It's on page 51. 3301 02:11:24,400 --> 02:11:25,520 >> Sorry. 3302 02:11:25,520 --> 02:11:26,320 >> I can 3303 02:11:26,320 --> 02:11:27,840 >> on my Oh, it's there on my 3304 02:11:27,840 --> 02:11:28,639 >> Oh, the numbering 3305 02:11:28,639 --> 02:11:30,239 >> page 51. 3306 02:11:30,239 --> 02:11:32,000 >> You just had it. It go keep going down 3307 02:11:32,000 --> 02:11:35,461 just a little bit. It's under family. 3308 02:11:35,461 --> 02:11:35,599 [clears throat] 3309 02:11:35,599 --> 02:11:36,320 >> There you go. 3310 02:11:36,320 --> 02:11:37,920 >> There. 3311 02:11:37,920 --> 02:11:39,920 >> I think the numbering is off. I think 3312 02:11:39,920 --> 02:11:42,800 it's it was meant to be 96. 3313 02:11:42,800 --> 02:11:45,040 >> Yeah. [snorts] 3314 02:11:45,040 --> 02:11:45,760 that whole 3315 02:11:45,760 --> 02:11:48,320 >> it's just 96 but it was prior to that it 3316 02:11:48,320 --> 02:11:49,040 was 104 3317 02:11:49,040 --> 02:11:50,560 >> so we just need to take up 3318 02:11:50,560 --> 02:11:52,880 >> I I can change clerical things like that 3319 02:11:52,880 --> 02:11:54,560 >> yeah those are dimminimous changes that 3320 02:11:54,560 --> 02:11:57,599 don't affect the 3321 02:11:57,599 --> 02:12:06,069 >> yeah 3322 02:12:06,079 --> 02:12:07,840 is this just to give more clarification 3323 02:12:07,840 --> 02:12:09,360 for like are we having issues with this 3324 02:12:09,360 --> 02:12:10,320 is just put more things 3325 02:12:10,320 --> 02:12:13,440 >> we do actually have a few somewhat 3326 02:12:13,440 --> 02:12:15,280 significant issues with some of these 3327 02:12:15,280 --> 02:12:17,840 definitions. Uh, a lot of what's driving 3328 02:12:17,840 --> 02:12:21,199 this is um clarification for staff so 3329 02:12:21,199 --> 02:12:22,800 that when someone comes in and says, "I 3330 02:12:22,800 --> 02:12:24,400 want to do family food production." 3331 02:12:24,400 --> 02:12:26,320 Well, what does that mean? Well, now we 3332 02:12:26,320 --> 02:12:28,880 know. We can point directly to this. Um, 3333 02:12:28,880 --> 02:12:31,199 and we can help guide residents and 3334 02:12:31,199 --> 02:12:32,800 applicants to say, "This is what's 3335 02:12:32,800 --> 02:12:34,639 allowed. This is how many chickens and 3336 02:12:34,639 --> 02:12:36,079 geese and whatever else you get to 3337 02:12:36,079 --> 02:12:37,040 have." 3338 02:12:37,040 --> 02:12:41,119 >> Um, and we I think we even squeezed a 3339 02:12:41,119 --> 02:12:44,000 horse in there, too. I think. 3340 02:12:44,000 --> 02:12:44,560 >> Yeah. 3341 02:12:44,560 --> 02:12:46,320 So, 3342 02:12:46,320 --> 02:12:48,159 >> you get to have a horse for family food 3343 02:12:48,159 --> 02:12:50,000 production. I don't know what that 3344 02:12:50,000 --> 02:12:51,360 means. I'm just going to leave that to 3345 02:12:51,360 --> 02:12:53,440 your imagination. 3346 02:12:53,440 --> 02:12:53,840 Um 3347 02:12:53,840 --> 02:12:55,520 >> Well, I can give you an example. 3348 02:12:55,520 --> 02:12:57,360 >> Well, I know you can. [laughter] 3349 02:12:57,360 --> 02:12:57,920 >> So, 3350 02:12:57,920 --> 02:13:00,320 >> it it doesn't say that you're eating the 3351 02:13:00,320 --> 02:13:02,400 horse. It just talks about 3352 02:13:02,400 --> 02:13:04,639 >> Well, but you know, your son's going to 3353 02:13:04,639 --> 02:13:06,239 Paris for a couple years, right? Maybe 3354 02:13:06,239 --> 02:13:07,817 he'll have a hankering for it. 3355 02:13:07,817 --> 02:13:08,480 [laughter] 3356 02:13:08,480 --> 02:13:10,719 >> I don't know. Anyway, 3357 02:13:10,719 --> 02:13:14,159 um again, the the idea was to help 3358 02:13:14,159 --> 02:13:16,480 provide that clarity for applicants as 3359 02:13:16,480 --> 02:13:20,239 well as uh staff to uh know exactly what 3360 02:13:20,239 --> 02:13:24,560 is meant by family food production. 3361 02:13:24,560 --> 02:13:26,320 Employee was another one. What does an 3362 02:13:26,320 --> 02:13:27,679 employee mean? 3363 02:13:27,679 --> 02:13:29,760 >> Home occupation is a very large one. 3364 02:13:29,760 --> 02:13:36,719 >> A home occupation is a big one and uh it is of necessity a a big one. Um, a 3365 02:13:36,719 --> 02:13:38,400 home occupation really should be 3366 02:13:38,400 --> 02:13:40,560 something and the example I use for it 3367 02:13:40,560 --> 02:13:43,520 is like the little old lady and my this 3368 02:13:43,520 --> 02:13:45,440 is my sweet mother when I say it who has 3369 02:13:45,440 --> 02:13:48,079 a quilting machine in her basement and 3370 02:13:48,079 --> 02:13:50,639 she makes and sells them on Etsy or 3371 02:13:50,639 --> 02:13:52,400 wherever and ships them all over the 3372 02:13:52,400 --> 02:13:55,280 world. But the the UPS guy comes once a 3373 02:13:55,280 --> 02:13:58,639 day and brings her fabric or whatever 3374 02:13:58,639 --> 02:14:01,840 and then they take the quilts that she's 3375 02:14:01,840 --> 02:14:03,760 already prepackaged and and hauls them 3376 02:14:03,760 --> 02:14:07,040 away. And other than that one delivery a 3377 02:14:07,040 --> 02:14:08,800 day, you would never know that there's a 3378 02:14:08,800 --> 02:14:10,320 thriving million-dollar business going 3379 02:14:10,320 --> 02:14:12,639 on in my sweet mother's basement. And 3380 02:14:12,639 --> 02:14:15,119 there's not. She's She does do quilts, 3381 02:14:15,119 --> 02:14:17,247 but she doesn't make a million. 3382 02:14:17,247 --> 02:14:18,480 [clears throat and laughter] Um she 3383 02:14:18,480 --> 02:14:20,320 could. She just Anyway, 3384 02:14:20,320 --> 02:14:22,639 >> the Amazon guy would be the same. Yeah. 3385 02:14:22,639 --> 02:14:23,199 >> What's that? 3386 02:14:23,199 --> 02:14:25,440 >> The Amazon guy delivering would be the 3387 02:14:25,440 --> 02:14:26,800 same amount of traffic. 3388 02:14:26,800 --> 02:14:27,360 >> Yeah, exactly. 3389 02:14:27,360 --> 02:14:30,239 >> So, is that is that is that on page 63? 3390 02:14:30,239 --> 02:14:32,400 Is that micro? I know we we had a 3391 02:14:32,400 --> 02:14:33,280 discussion. 3392 02:14:33,280 --> 02:14:34,880 >> Yeah, that was that was one that we'd 3393 02:14:34,880 --> 02:14:36,239 already approved. So, I'm not sure if it 3394 02:14:36,239 --> 02:14:38,159 shows up in green again. 3395 02:14:38,159 --> 02:14:40,800 >> Did we not have MDA? 3396 02:14:40,800 --> 02:14:43,360 >> We we did not. And so, this helps again 3397 02:14:43,360 --> 02:14:46,239 to define those terms and provide that 3398 02:14:46,239 --> 02:14:49,199 clarity that we're looking for. 3399 02:14:49,199 --> 02:14:51,280 It's a lot of work for our community 3400 02:14:51,280 --> 02:14:53,199 development team to do. 3401 02:14:53,199 --> 02:14:55,040 >> No, a lot of clean up. Appreciate it. 3402 02:14:55,040 --> 02:14:56,880 >> And when he says team, what he really 3403 02:14:56,880 --> 02:14:58,560 means is Shelby. 3404 02:14:58,560 --> 02:15:00,880 >> And I better give credit where it's due. 3405 02:15:00,880 --> 02:15:03,119 >> 179 MDA. 3406 02:15:03,119 --> 02:15:05,599 >> That should have been corrected to say 3407 02:15:05,599 --> 02:15:09,360 often between developer and the city, 3408 02:15:09,360 --> 02:15:13,510 not landownerclient. 3409 02:15:13,520 --> 02:15:15,840 » The MD is not it's not an agreement 3410 02:15:15,840 --> 02:15:17,199 between the developer and the land 3411 02:15:17,199 --> 02:15:18,480 owner. 3412 02:15:18,480 --> 02:15:22,629 We can change that. 3413 02:15:22,639 --> 02:15:23,679 » Yes, 3414 02:15:23,679 --> 02:15:25,360 >> good one. Yeah, thank you. 3415 02:15:25,360 --> 02:15:34,629 >> Oh, yeah. 3416 02:15:34,639 --> 02:15:39,430 » Other questions? 3417 02:15:39,440 --> 02:15:41,679 » I do want to shout out for Shelby for 3418 02:15:41,679 --> 02:15:44,880 real. She is phenomenal. uh she's a huge 3419 02:15:44,880 --> 02:15:46,400 asset for our department and for the 3420 02:15:46,400 --> 02:15:49,920 city and I uh she's my right-hand person 3421 02:15:49,920 --> 02:15:52,639 and I I we couldn't do what we need to 3422 02:15:52,639 --> 02:15:54,880 do without her help and her expertise 3423 02:15:54,880 --> 02:15:58,239 and she's awesome. So, thank you Shelby 3424 02:15:58,239 --> 02:16:00,159 if you're listening. 3425 02:16:00,159 --> 02:16:09,589 >> Thank you Shelby. 3426 02:16:09,599 --> 02:16:12,320 » That's a big one right there. 3427 02:16:12,320 --> 02:16:23,270 >> Overlay district. Y 3428 02:16:23,280 --> 02:16:25,520 » do we feel like we've I guess this is a 3429 02:16:25,520 --> 02:16:26,960 staff question. Do we feel like we've 3430 02:16:26,960 --> 02:16:28,159 addressed everything? 3431 02:16:28,159 --> 02:16:30,960 >> No, but we'll be back. 3432 02:16:30,960 --> 02:16:33,840 >> This is a a constant I mean really it's 3433 02:16:33,840 --> 02:16:36,319 a constant iterative process. you'll see 3434 02:16:36,319 --> 02:16:38,080 when we're in front of you in a couple 3435 02:16:38,080 --> 02:16:41,840 weeks with the big the big one. Um that 3436 02:16:41,840 --> 02:16:44,559 it just it's it's always going to be a 3437 02:16:44,559 --> 02:16:46,399 little something. And it's not just 3438 02:16:46,399 --> 02:16:49,040 responding to deficiencies that we as 3439 02:16:49,040 --> 02:16:51,519 staff note in the code, but state code 3440 02:16:51,519 --> 02:16:53,280 changes every year, the regulations that 3441 02:16:53,280 --> 02:16:55,200 we're required to deal with with case 3442 02:16:55,200 --> 02:16:58,639 law coming out, um national Supreme 3443 02:16:58,639 --> 02:17:01,359 Court decisions, and it's just it's a 3444 02:17:01,359 --> 02:17:04,880 constant state of revision. And um in 3445 02:17:04,880 --> 02:17:06,719 and on one hand that's just job security 3446 02:17:06,719 --> 02:17:08,719 for me and Shelby, right? But on the 3447 02:17:08,719 --> 02:17:11,120 other hand um it it is a constant 3448 02:17:11,120 --> 02:17:13,599 revision to make sure that our code 3449 02:17:13,599 --> 02:17:17,040 reflects the needs, desires, and goals 3450 02:17:17,040 --> 02:17:20,319 of the city. And that's that's the 3451 02:17:20,319 --> 02:17:27,110 importance of it. 3452 02:17:27,120 --> 02:17:28,960 » Tyson, 3453 02:17:28,960 --> 02:17:30,719 from a legal standpoint, are you good 3454 02:17:30,719 --> 02:17:32,719 with this? 3455 02:17:32,719 --> 02:17:34,559 Yes, we we've been through this several 3456 02:17:34,559 --> 02:17:36,399 times. I was able to quickly note that 3457 02:17:36,399 --> 02:17:38,319 one in the NBA. It's not the first time 3458 02:17:38,319 --> 02:17:40,160 I saw that. That that's something that I 3459 02:17:40,160 --> 02:17:41,679 they've been glaring for for a little 3460 02:17:41,679 --> 02:17:44,160 while and um that there were not other 3461 02:17:44,160 --> 02:17:46,960 issues like that that were um standing 3462 02:17:46,960 --> 02:17:48,719 out. We we've gone through this several 3463 02:17:48,719 --> 02:17:53,390 times. 3464 02:17:53,400 --> 02:17:59,509 [clears throat] 3465 02:17:59,519 --> 02:18:03,599 » Any other questions or Yes. Go ahead. 3466 02:18:03,599 --> 02:18:04,160 >> Are we good? 3467 02:18:04,160 --> 02:18:05,280 >> He was going to motion. [laughter] 3468 02:18:05,280 --> 02:18:08,080 >> Get a motion. Yes. 3469 02:18:08,080 --> 02:18:11,439 >> Mayor, make a motion. We move to uh move 3470 02:18:11,439 --> 02:18:14,800 to approve ordinance 202617 3471 02:18:14,800 --> 02:18:16,639 approving amendments to chapter 2 of the 3472 02:18:16,639 --> 02:18:18,479 Grantsville City Land Use and Management 3473 02:18:18,479 --> 02:18:19,280 Code. 3474 02:18:19,280 --> 02:18:21,280 >> We have a motion by Council Member 3475 02:18:21,280 --> 02:18:22,559 Thomas. Is there a second? 3476 02:18:22,559 --> 02:18:23,439 >> I'll second the motion. 3477 02:18:23,439 --> 02:18:25,519 >> And a second by Council Member Skinner. 3478 02:18:25,519 --> 02:18:26,639 All in favor? 3479 02:18:26,639 --> 02:18:28,559 >> I. 3480 02:18:28,559 --> 02:18:30,399 >> All right. The motion passes. Thank you. 3481 02:18:30,399 --> 02:18:33,519 to Shelby and all those others 3482 02:18:33,519 --> 02:18:36,559 who were involved in that 3483 02:18:36,559 --> 02:18:38,160 >> NBNZ. 3484 02:18:38,160 --> 02:18:39,120 >> Yes. 3485 02:18:39,120 --> 02:18:41,359 >> And planning and zoning because they 3486 02:18:41,359 --> 02:18:43,760 have been through this extensively line 3487 02:18:43,760 --> 02:18:46,240 by line. So, thank you for pointing that 3488 02:18:46,240 --> 02:18:49,200 out. Um, 3489 02:18:49,200 --> 02:18:51,519 we will now need a motion to move into a 3490 02:18:51,519 --> 02:18:53,599 close session. 3491 02:18:53,599 --> 02:18:55,359 >> Mayor, I'll make a motion we move in 3492 02:18:55,359 --> 02:18:57,591 move into a close session. 3493 02:18:57,591 --> 02:18:58,000 [clears throat] 3494 02:18:58,000 --> 02:18:58,880 >> Is there a second? 3495 02:18:58,880 --> 02:19:01,920 >> Second. Second motion by council member 3496 02:19:01,920 --> 02:19:03,359 Dalton, a second by council member 3497 02:19:03,359 --> 02:19:07,200 Butler. All in favor? 3498 02:19:07,200 --> 02:19:08,160 >> Thank you all for your 3499 02:19:08,160 --> 02:19:11,991 >> attendance. 3500 02:19:12,001 --> 02:19:21,270 [laughter] 3501 02:19:21,280 --> 02:19:24,519 Thank you.