[0:00] He likely won't get here. He's dealing
[0:01] with a car broke out on the side of the
[0:03] road that his son
[0:04] >> had a small issue with. And then Jeff is
[0:07] coming from
[0:10] the mosquito abatement meeting as soon
[0:11] as he's finished.
[0:14] >> Um,
[0:21] [clears throat]
[0:28] welcome everybody. This is a combined
[0:30] work meeting of the Grantsville City
[0:32] Council and the Planning Commission. For
[0:34] the record, today's date is April 14th,
[0:37] 2026, and the time is 7:02 p.m. This
[0:40] meeting is being held at the Grantsville
[0:42] City Council Chambers at 429 East Main
[0:45] Street, Grantsville, Utah, as well as
[0:48] electronically by Zoom. I am Mayor Heidi
[0:51] Hammond, and I will conduct a roll call.
[0:53] Council Member Thomas is not here at the
[0:56] moment. We will um add his name if he is
[0:58] able to arrive. Council member Williams
[1:01] is excused for the first half hour as he
[1:03] is attending another meeting. Council
[1:05] member Butler
[1:06] >> present.
[1:07] >> Council member Dalton
[1:08] >> here.
[1:09] >> Council member Skinner
[1:10] >> here.
[1:11] >> Planning Commission Chair Moore
[1:14] >> here.
[1:15] >> Uh Commissioner Hill
[1:16] >> here.
[1:17] >> Commissioner Montgomery
[1:19] >> here.
[1:19] >> Commissioner Merrill here.
[1:21] >> Commissioner Molton here. Alternate
[1:23] Commissioner Horox
[1:28] not present. Um, if you would please
[1:30] join me in the pledge of allegiance.
[1:38] » I aliance to the flag of the United
[1:42] States of America and to the republic
[1:45] for which it stands, one nation under
[1:48] God, indivisible, with liberty and
[1:50] justice for all. Thank you.
[1:58] The purpose of tonight's meeting is to
[2:00] hear presentations regarding the
[2:02] Grantsville City master plan and the
[2:04] proposed amendments to the park and
[2:06] transportation capital facilities plans
[2:09] impact fee facilities plans and the
[2:11] impact fee analysis. These are only
[2:14] presentation and discussion and no
[2:16] formal action will be made tonight or
[2:19] public comment taken. Uh, agenda item
[2:23] number one is a discussion regarding the
[2:24] Grantsville City Master Transportation
[2:27] Plan, including current conditions,
[2:29] future transportation needs, and
[2:31] potential improvements.
[2:35] » Thank you.
[2:36] >> I'm assuming that's my
[2:37] >> I think that's your cue. Yes. [laughter]
[2:39] >> I'm going to move these tall chairs so I
[2:41] can see everybody.
[2:43] >> Um,
[2:44] >> are you wanting to plug in?
[2:46] >> Yes.
[2:47] >> You want to sit down and plug in or do
[2:48] you want to plug in?
[2:51] Um,
[2:54] yeah, I'll stand up there. Actually,
[2:55] that's probably easier.
[3:09] » Planning Commission, you get to see my
[3:11] good side. Uh, council, you get to see
[3:13] my bad side. [clears throat] So,
[3:16] um,
[3:17] okay. First off, I'll go ahead and
[3:19] introduce myself. Um, I apologize. My
[3:23] counterpart that's norm normally with
[3:25] me, we got double booked tonight, so
[3:27] he's in Helper City tonight. Um, I got
[3:29] to draw the good straw and come to
[3:31] Grantsville. Um, I'm a clean farmer with
[3:34] Jones and Deville Engineering. We used
[3:36] to have an office in Tilla. We did close
[3:40] that office because we couldn't find
[3:42] anybody to to sit in it. Um, but we do
[3:45] still do a lot of work up here for
[3:47] Grantsville, Toilla County, um, Toilla
[3:50] City, and other municipalities.
[3:52] Um, I'm [clears throat] out of our
[3:54] headquarter office, which is in
[3:56] Richfield, um, Utah, down in central
[3:59] Utah, but we serve basically everywhere
[4:03] in in Utah, some in Colorado, and some
[4:06] in Idaho as well.
[4:08] Um
[4:09] we've been working on this
[4:11] transportation plan for the past about
[4:14] eight months. Um working through the
[4:18] model. The model is pretty intense here
[4:20] in the Twilla Tilla Valley. Um just to
[4:24] give you some background on myself and
[4:26] the work that we've done here, I did the
[4:28] Twilla County transportation master
[4:30] plan. We partnered with Methods
[4:32] Consulting on this one as well as the
[4:35] Toilla Valley um transportation plan and
[4:39] then we um Methods Consulting did your
[4:42] West Bank study and that's who we used
[4:44] for the modeling piece of this study as
[4:46] well. Um [clears throat] so to give you
[4:51] some background, we started this study
[4:53] with data collection. We worked with
[4:55] UDOT. UD do just finished up their
[4:58] regional transportation plan here in the
[5:00] Twilla Valley as well. So, we used that
[5:03] as our basis to start with the planning
[5:06] process. Um, [clears throat] and I'm
[5:09] going to get into a little bit more
[5:10] detail on that here in a few minutes. I
[5:12] apologize. It's been really windy in
[5:14] Richfield, so I my allergies have kicked
[5:16] up, so I'll be taking some water breaks
[5:19] here here and there. Um, so long long
[5:24] story short, we did data collection. We
[5:26] brought all the data that we got and
[5:28] brought it into a single spot. We then
[5:31] took and added our traffic counts that
[5:34] we did. You probably saw some tubes
[5:36] throughout the city last year um across
[5:39] the roads. As you drove over those
[5:41] tubes, we counted each vehicle. We also
[5:44] classified each vehicle. So, we got the
[5:46] truck percentage that you guys um have
[5:49] on each road on the major roads. We
[5:51] didn't do every road. Um we also
[5:55] collected um pavement condition um of
[5:58] each road. And I'll show you the
[6:00] condition of each road here in a minute
[6:02] as well. And then we helped public works
[6:04] with a pavement plan for how to get your
[6:08] roads in better condition. I have that
[6:10] as well tonight to show you as well. Um
[6:13] the bulk of the work that we did though
[6:15] was in the modeling and what happens in
[6:18] the years 2035, 204, 2045 and at full
[6:22] buildout. Um so I'm going to go through
[6:26] each one of these maps. This is the
[6:28] website that we created for you so you
[6:30] have a place to house your
[6:32] transportation plan. Um so I'm going to use this as the bulk of my
[6:36] presentation tonight. Um for the
[6:39] planning commission as well. This is an
[6:41] open discussion um with the council with
[6:45] planning commission. So if there are any
[6:46] questions just interrupt me um if
[6:49] somebody wouldn't mind if you guys just
[6:51] yell um so I can stop I won't be able to
[6:55] see you as well. Um
[6:59] [clears throat] so
[6:59] >> sorry
[7:00] >> you're good.
[7:02] Any questions before we start?
[7:07] Okay.
[7:09] All right. So, the website, and this is
[7:12] going to be available for the public. I
[7:14] will say we're going to hold a public
[7:16] openhouse in two weeks. I just put a
[7:19] poster up here in the front office. Um,
[7:21] we emailed Shelby. Did you get that
[7:24] email today? We emailed Shelby a flyer
[7:27] to post on Facebook. And then we also
[7:30] have a um a poster in the library as
[7:34] well to advertise that. Um, so the
[7:37] public openhouse will be held in two
[7:38] weeks. There's QR codes on the posters
[7:41] that you can access this website with.
[7:44] You can view it on your phone. It's
[7:47] [clears throat] not as user friendly on
[7:48] a phone. I will say that it's a lot
[7:50] easier to use on a computer itself.
[7:54] Um, but starting with project overview,
[7:57] I won't read all of this. You guys can
[7:59] go through and read this um on your own,
[8:02] but basically it talks about the need
[8:04] for the study. gives a little bit of an
[8:06] overview of Grantsville itself and
[8:08] talking about the growth concerns and
[8:10] challenges that Grantsville is seeing
[8:13] currently.
[8:15] The next tab
[8:18] is your [clears throat] socioeconomic
[8:19] data. Now, I have to put a caveat on
[8:22] this data. Um, because the census was
[8:27] done in 2020, this data is going to be
[8:30] quite a bit off. The reason being is we
[8:32] saw a lot of inflation from 2020 to
[8:35] 2026.
[8:36] Um so you'll see like uh median home
[8:40] value that's probably a little low. Um
[8:44] as well as some of the incomes and the
[8:47] population data here as well. Um the
[8:50] reason we don't put anything other than
[8:53] the census data on here is those are
[8:55] just projections. Um, and so we we we
[9:00] put this data in here as our base. Um,
[9:02] but we when we're doing the travel
[9:04] demand modeling that we do for the
[9:06] study, we don't use this data. We use um
[9:11] data from the U of actually on current
[9:14] population statistics.
[9:20] All right. This is the bulk of the
[9:22] conversation today. So, what I would
[9:25] like to do is
[9:28] go through each one of these maps
[9:31] um with you. I'm going to breeze over
[9:34] these maps quickly and then we're going
[9:36] to come back and get into the fine
[9:39] details of each map itself. Um so, the
[9:43] roadway classification network um this
[9:47] is the classification of roads within
[9:50] the city. So the left hand side shows
[9:54] the current classification. So you'll
[9:56] see on the left hand side there's not a
[9:58] lot of roads that are colored.
[10:00] Uh each color means a different thing.
[10:03] So like your red lines are your
[10:04] highways, green are your minor
[10:07] arterials. So sometimes those are
[10:09] highways as well. Uh the purple are
[10:12] major collectors. Those are typically
[10:14] city streets that have high volumes. The
[10:16] yellow roads are minor collectors. So
[10:19] those come just under major collectors
[10:22] and then the black are local roads.
[10:24] [snorts] Um the orange are
[10:28] um or expressways. Those are more like
[10:31] your your freeway type roads as well. So
[10:35] you can see on the left hand side that's
[10:37] your current road network. On the right
[10:39] hand side uh we're showing what the full
[10:41] buildout would look like um for the
[10:45] city. This [clears throat] does not
[10:47] include local roads. We don't plan for
[10:51] every street within the city. We simply
[10:55] show the type of road that needs to go
[10:57] in to get traffic to go in and
[11:00] throughout the city and then we allow
[11:03] build out between those roads itself.
[11:07] I'm going to come back to this map. This
[11:09] is probably the bulk of what we'll talk
[11:11] about today and the questions that I
[11:13] have for the council and the planning
[11:15] commission.
[11:16] Um, but I will I'll come back to this
[11:19] map here in a minute.
[11:20] >> Could we could we just pause for just a
[11:22] second?
[11:23] >> Can you guys all see that? Okay. Do you
[11:25] want us to move
[11:26] >> that?
[11:28] Grab that. Shift it over.
[11:30] >> Do these Do you guys have screens?
[11:32] >> We all have screens. Oh, okay.
[11:34] But everyone in the gallery
[11:38] » now your neck won't be
[11:41] >> this is this proposal we have here on
[11:42] the right is that at 2050 or what year
[11:45] >> yeah 2050
[11:47] >> it's not [clears throat] sharing on the
[11:49] >> okay
[11:49] >> zoom meeting
[11:54] » do I need to do I need to log into Zoom
[11:57] >> um not typically but it's not sharing on
[11:59] the Zoom meeting person
[12:02] why that would
[12:04] Is there any way you could like X out of
[12:06] the legend just really quick on your end
[12:10] and just
[12:11] >> There you go. I think that was kind of
[12:13] helpful. Just
[12:15] >> right. I tried that and that out.
[12:20] » I'm just gonna try something really
[12:22] quick.
[12:23] >> Okay.
[12:29] » This website
[12:37] Well, it's not sharing his screen to
[12:39] Zoom and the people online if anybody's
[12:43] online. So, I'm trying to get it to
[12:46] >> I can log in as well if I need to.
[12:49] >> Do you would you mind and then that way
[12:51] I know it will work.
[12:52] >> Can you just send me the link?
[12:54] >> Yeah. Okay.
[12:57] >> We need to notify that um council member
[12:59] Williams has joined us. Thank you. Thank
[13:01] you.
[13:07] » Um, do you just want to scan that short
[13:09] code? There's that's all the
[13:51] While they're working through some of
[13:52] these technical things, I thought I
[13:53] might give you a little bit of
[13:54] background from a land use standpoint as
[13:57] to how this all plays in together. And um
[14:02] there are assumptions that are made with
[14:04] regard to the data that um you start
[14:07] with the the base population numbers and
[14:09] then you try to
[14:23] So you try to project out. Thank you.
[14:26] >> That was my voice like 20 million times.
[14:28] That was cool.
[14:29] >> Um you try to project out based on the
[14:32] anticipated growth, the um growth
[14:35] patterns and the current zoning as well
[14:38] as what uh could go in in those areas.
[14:42] We look at areas that are in the
[14:43] annexation plan. We look at areas that
[14:46] are nearby adjacent development and we
[14:49] try to put numbers to those things that
[14:51] um are both in keeping with what we've
[14:53] seen historically but also with uh what
[14:57] we're going to project out for the next
[15:00] 20 30 50 100 years. None of us has a
[15:04] crystal ball obviously uh so we don't
[15:07] know exactly how and when these
[15:09] developments are going to come in and
[15:10] when this would fill in but uh the the
[15:14] conventional thinking is that if we
[15:16] don't ask for the right of way now when
[15:21] it comes time to [snorts]
[15:24] develop out these areas and we need that
[15:26] right of way if we haven't asked for it will never be there um I started work
[15:32] in Saratoga Springs almost 20 years ago
[15:35] and you would not have known 20 years
[15:38] ago what a mess it would be like in
[15:40] Saratoga Springs 20 years later. The
[15:43] roads that were in however uh on the
[15:47] plans then included some areas that had
[15:49] 180 foot rideways. We're not asking for
[15:52] anything near that much here. Well,
[15:54] except for one road um which uh MLAN
[15:57] we'll get into. But um I just bring that
[16:00] up as a case study to point out that uh
[16:03] we're doing the best we can here and
[16:05] trying to plan for and project out where
[16:07] what these roads will need to look like
[16:09] and what network we're going to want to
[16:12] see
[16:13] for the next hundred years or or more.
[16:17] Um there are roads as you know
[16:19] historically that have been in place for
[16:21] thousands of years. The Romans were
[16:23] great road [clears throat] builders and
[16:25] a lot of their roads are still in use
[16:27] today obviously with repavement and
[16:30] other things. So, um just wanting to
[16:32] give you that context uh from a a land
[16:34] use standpoint and from a a
[16:37] transportation master plan perspective.
[16:40] This is where we're headed with these
[16:42] things and um so to turn it back over to
[16:45] you.
[16:45] >> Perfect. Thank you. [clears throat]
[16:48] » Okay. Um,
[16:53] this next tab, I'm going to breeze over
[16:55] these next three because they're um
[16:58] relatively
[17:00] um they're important but not as
[17:02] important for tonight's discussion.
[17:05] Let's see if I can get it to load.
[17:15] Okay. So, this next uh page that you see
[17:18] on the website is the roadway surface
[17:20] type map. So, we have asphalt, gravel,
[17:23] and dirt. This is how your UD do funds
[17:25] are allocated to the city for your uh SE
[17:29] road funding. So, your pave roads get a
[17:32] certain amount of money, your gravel
[17:33] roads get a certain amount of money, and
[17:35] then your dirt roads get a certain
[17:37] amount of money. We have pro provided
[17:39] the city with an update. So they can
[17:41] send that to UD do and get the most
[17:43] money they can get based on the current
[17:46] road mileage within the city.
[17:51] This next map is a average
[17:54] [clears throat] daily traffic map. So
[17:56] each of these blue dots that you see on
[17:58] the screen you can click on. This is
[18:00] where we put a traffic counter down with
[18:02] those two tubes that go across the
[18:04] roads. Um so the ADT is the average
[18:08] daily traffic. The AD weekday is the
[18:11] average daily traffic on the weekday.
[18:14] Um, then you can scroll down to the
[18:17] bottom
[18:20] and you can see
[18:23] all of your percentages of the types of
[18:26] vehicles that you're seeing on that
[18:27] road. So, for example, this passenger
[18:31] vehicle, you have 91% of those are
[18:34] passenger vehicles on that road. Um and
[18:38] then your heavy trucks um down here are
[18:43] 3% of that total.
[18:46] So for each of those points, you can
[18:49] click on those. You can see the same
[18:52] data for those. And this [clears throat]
[18:54] is how we calibrated the model. So UD do
[18:57] has a regionwide model and we use this
[19:00] data to calibrate the model itself. So
[19:02] we make sure we have current data as a
[19:06] base point to start with the modeling
[19:08] piece.
[19:10] >> Can you go back to that? I'm sorry. Now
[19:13] I see the [clears throat] the legend
[19:15] there. Just kind of clear off those two.
[19:18] See that?
[19:19] >> Yeah.
[19:21] >> Straighten your
[19:22] >> Yeah.
[19:23] >> So main is obviously the heaviest
[19:24] travel. So you're not showing sheep.
[19:29] That's not
[19:32] >> I think it's the red one.
[19:33] >> Yeah, that's the red one.
[19:35] >> Which one was that?
[19:36] >> She blamed
[19:37] >> Oh,
[19:39] that one has 6700 vehicles on it during
[19:42] the weekday and just just over 5,000
[19:47] average.
[19:51] What is Main Street
[19:54] >> on the We didn't do Main Street on the U
[19:57] dot right away because you're not over
[19:59] that. But on the west side,
[20:02] >> you are 2000.
[20:03] >> Yeah.
[20:06] » And you can click on each of these
[20:08] points to see.
[20:09] >> Is that Dery? The one that's
[20:12] >> Yeah. Dery Street. So Dery
[20:15] East is the uh as the point.
[20:19] Oh, on this one.
[20:20] >> Yeah,
[20:22] >> this this [clears throat]
[20:24] question may come. You might be able to
[20:25] say just you're gonna answer it later,
[20:27] but yeah, as you look at this and your
[20:28] projections of what it's going to look
[20:29] like in the future, are you also giving
[20:31] recommendations on how the road should
[20:33] be constructed looking forward because
[20:35] obviously truck traffic is going to
[20:36] impact a road more, heavy traffic is
[20:38] going to impact the road more.
[20:39] >> Oh, you're talking like thicknesses,
[20:41] [clears throat]
[20:41] >> just how you build the road. So, if
[20:42] you're if you have more semi-tra, that's
[20:44] what tears up roads, not cars.
[20:46] >> Yeah. And so I'm just wondering if
[20:47] that's going to be part of the projected
[20:48] plan. So is the city's planning for,
[20:50] hey, this road going to get higher use
[20:51] and it's going to increase on heavy
[20:53] truck traffic, but we need to make sure
[20:55] it's built to the correct standards. We
[20:58] need to redo it.
[20:58] >> We don't specifically look at that. Um,
[21:01] we do look at the pavement condition and
[21:04] give you a treatment type to fix it. Um,
[21:07] but as far as the design of the road
[21:09] goes, that's that'll come when the
[21:11] design actually happens. When we do the
[21:15] pavement treatment type, we're
[21:16] estimating based on
[21:19] typical practice. So like if we do an
[21:21] overlay, we put 2 in on typically to
[21:24] help with the structure. But as far as
[21:26] the crosssections go, that's something
[21:28] that we talked about in our last
[21:30] meeting. Typically there's an ongoing um
[21:34] project after this to update those
[21:36] standards for the crosssections itself.
[21:39] >> Okay. Just out of curiosity, does
[21:42] anybody from the city happen to know
[21:44] that the traffic counts for Main Street?
[21:47] >> Yeah, if you give me
[21:49] >> Okay. I just was cur I'm just curious.
[21:51] [clears throat]
[21:52] >> Okay.
[21:52] >> I can pull that up.
[21:54] >> This might be old, but like 18,000 cards
[21:57] per day.
[21:58] >> 18,000. Okay.
[22:00] >> Might be a little bit outdated,
[22:02] >> but it's at least that.
[22:04] >> And I would guess Mormon Trail and Maine
[22:06] are the heaviest truck in the country.
[22:09] I would think so.
[22:14] » I don't know. The truck traffic would be
[22:16] pretty intense on Sheep Lane as well. I
[22:18] would
[22:18] >> I would think
[22:24] maybe
[22:39] It's going to take a minute to load.
[22:49] So, the last count on the east side was
[22:51] 11,000.
[22:53] A lot of times we find these counts are
[22:55] not that accurate.
[22:59] » Yeah, 11,000 is what it's showing.
[23:04] You know when they did those counts?
[23:06] >> Um,
[23:11] this one's saying 2024.
[23:14] >> I'm just seeing they're different on the
[23:16] east side.
[23:19] » The same line.
[23:24] » Yeah, the east side see lower than that.
[23:26] >> Yeah, this is not right. Yeah.
[23:29] >> So, the problem with some of you do's
[23:31] data is the KMZ file they use sometimes
[23:36] doesn't get updated clearly.
[23:38] >> So, I cuz if if she plans getting 6,000,
[23:41] that highway is probably getting at
[23:43] least 12, I would think.
[23:45] >> Um,
[23:49] » yeah,
[23:49] >> thank you.
[23:50] >> So, there's a there's a gap there. This
[23:52] says 6,000 right there, and this says
[23:56] 12.
[23:57] So,
[24:00] okay.
[24:05] This one I'll breeze over. This is
[24:08] a heat map for Grantsville. This takes
[24:10] all the state crash data and puts it
[24:12] into hotspots. So, for the city, you can
[24:15] take this, you can zoom in
[24:21] and see all the hot spots within the
[24:23] city. Of course, 90% of your crashes are
[24:27] going to probably be on the the main
[24:29] street, but you can see all the smaller
[24:31] crashes or smaller heat marks around the
[24:35] city as well. There's maybe a bad
[24:38] intersection there at Dery Street. Um,
[24:41] >> we have picked these and we didn't need
[24:43] you to tell us. [laughter]
[24:45] >> Probably high school's probably high.
[24:48] Yep. So, you can see all the little hot
[24:50] spots um throughout the city. Um, I will
[24:54] say these are only reported crashes. So
[24:56] if they're not reported to the state,
[24:58] they're not part of this data.
[25:03] Um, this is your active transportation
[25:04] map. All we did simply on this one is we
[25:07] took your current active transportation
[25:09] plan that you have and put it on the
[25:12] website. So we had no part in
[25:15] determining where these trails go.
[25:21] Um, truck routes. Uh, this is a truck
[25:23] route map. Um, I will say we are going
[25:26] to add the depot road on the south end
[25:28] of the city on this. Um, but this is
[25:31] what we've came up with for a truck
[25:33] route map. Does anybody have any
[25:35] comments or concerns about this one?
[25:39] Um, I would think that Burmeister would
[25:42] maybe be on included in that, but maybe
[25:45] I mean I didn't look closely at what you
[25:47] showed as truck traffic on Burmeister,
[25:49] but
[25:49] >> it was about three. The hard part with
[25:51] Burmeister right now is
[25:53] >> that turn to get out of the city.
[25:56] >> Um, once that's fixed, it's going to go
[25:59] up.
[26:00] >> Um,
[26:00] >> or if that ever gets fixed,
[26:03] >> I should say.
[26:04] >> We as staff requested to pull Burmeister
[26:06] off because of that turn.
[26:07] >> Okay. Um, so I mean from
[26:09] >> So you don't want it listed as truck
[26:10] traffic. Got it.
[26:11] >> So I mean
[26:12] >> from Industrial
[26:15] Parkway north, new truck traffic, but we
[26:18] don't want them coming south
[26:19] >> into town that direction.
[26:21] >> That way.
[26:21] >> Okay.
[26:22] >> Um, but one road that we did want to add
[26:24] is that North Army Depot road.
[26:28] >> Yeah.
[26:29] >> This one, right?
[26:30] >> Yeah. Okay.
[26:35] » Okay. Um,
[26:37] Let me show you this really quick.
[26:42] So part of the study was also looking at
[26:45] current conditions of the streets within
[26:49] Grantsville City. Um
[26:53] so we partnered with a company called
[26:55] Violytics. They're an AI company based
[26:58] out of Germany. They're backed by
[27:00] Volkswagen. That's where their startup
[27:02] money came from. Um, but what we do is
[27:06] we mount a a phone in the windshield of
[27:08] a car. Um, and it takes a picture every
[27:11] 10 ft. And what it's doing as it's going
[27:14] down the road, it's picking up every
[27:16] crack and every pothole, every different
[27:20] type of distress within that picture.
[27:23] And every picture gets rated and then
[27:26] those pictures combine into a segment.
[27:28] And each segment gets a segment score.
[27:31] [clears throat]
[27:32] So what I'm showing you today is not me
[27:34] telling you this is what condition your
[27:36] roads are in. This is an unbiased
[27:39] opinion on the condition of the roads
[27:41] within Gransville.
[27:44] So based on that assessment that we did,
[27:56] these are the conditions of your oats.
[27:59] So the more blue it is, the better it
[28:01] is. Then it goes to green, then it goes
[28:03] to more like a yellowish, then a orange,
[28:06] and then a red. So your roads are
[28:09] actually in pretty pretty decent shape.
[28:13] Um,
[28:14] I'm going to pull up the app
[28:20] so we can zoom in on these a little
[28:22] better.
[28:31] So this app the city staff has access to
[28:34] as well. We just onboarded the city to
[28:37] be able to use the system in house as
[28:39] well. Um but each one of these streets
[28:42] has a condition to it. Um city staff has
[28:46] access to all the image data that was
[28:50] collected as well. So, they can come in
[28:52] here
[28:57] and you can drive down the street just
[28:58] like you would Google Earth um with an
[29:02] updated image. City staff also has um
[29:06] all of the manholes, all the signs
[29:09] within the city. So, I'll turn those on.
[29:15] They have all the signage. We have all
[29:17] of the different issues with signs. So,
[29:21] for example, I can filter out hidden
[29:23] signs and click on that. It will show me
[29:25] a picture and show trees in front of
[29:27] those um signs. So, I can go trim trees
[29:29] and stuff like that as well.
[29:32] Um this is all automated simply by just
[29:35] driving the road and uploading images
[29:38] and then it pops out into this system.
[29:43] So, we took this data and we said,
[29:46] "Okay, what is it going to take to get
[29:50] the roads to stay in good condition
[29:52] first and then fix the ones that are in
[29:54] poor condition?"
[30:01] So, you can see on the map here the
[30:04] different treatment types. Um, there's a
[30:07] lot of different treatment types here.
[30:09] So, there's a lot of different colors.
[30:11] Um, but there's mill and fill and
[30:14] overlay. Those are roads that
[30:16] [clears throat] are in fair condition
[30:17] that just need a rehab to them. Um,
[30:20] crack seal. Um, those are roads that are
[30:22] in good condition. We just want to make
[30:24] sure we seal those cracks off from uh
[30:27] allowing water to penetrate into the
[30:29] base. Um, crack seal and chip seal.
[30:32] those those are roads that are in good
[30:34] condition but have their existing
[30:36] surface asphalt surface exposed because
[30:40] we don't want the sun to bake the
[30:41] asphalt out of the asphalt mix. Um the
[30:46] red roads are those that are in the
[30:49] worst shape and need the most help. Um
[30:53] so we're recommending those to be fully
[30:55] reconstructed
[30:57] um to mitigate for all the cracking
[31:00] within those streets.
[31:02] So for example, anybody want to look at
[31:05] a certain road.
[31:09] » It can be the one you live on if you
[31:11] want.
[31:13] >> This is unbiased. So
[31:14] >> willow street.
[31:15] >> Okay. You got to guide me there.
[31:18] >> Right.
[31:19] >> Yep.
[31:20] >> Right. Okay. doing stuff.
[31:27] » So you can see
[31:29] >> right there.
[31:30] >> This one.
[31:31] >> Mhm.
[31:39] » So the city staff can come in. They and
[31:42] we can give access to really anybody.
[31:44] It's just depending on who you want to
[31:47] see this data. Um, we can go drive the
[31:51] road and see.
[31:53] >> This is only a couple weeks old, if
[31:54] that.
[31:55] >> Yeah,
[31:58] a couple days.
[32:00] >> So, you can see the patching, some of
[32:02] the patching that's gone on. Um, there's
[32:05] some potholes cracking. You can zoom in
[32:07] and see
[32:11] um some of the longitudinal. Looks like
[32:13] there was a trench cut. Um and then you
[32:17] can go in and see all of the manholes
[32:20] itself on that [snorts] road and it will
[32:23] tell you if those manholes are low, even
[32:26] or too high. Um so those can go be fixed
[32:30] as well.
[32:32] Um so this this data is on the on the
[32:36] transportation plan simply more for
[32:39] information for the public to say okay
[32:42] these are the current conditions of the
[32:44] roads. the this is our plan to fix the
[32:46] roads. Um the hard part is convincing
[32:50] the public that you should keep your
[32:52] good roads in good condition and fix the
[32:56] bad roads when you get funding for that.
[33:01] » Yeah.
[33:02] >> Did uh the
[33:05] overlay get out to um highway 112 and
[33:10] shoot plane
[33:13] >> uh this one. Yeah. The one. Yeah. One
[33:15] east. That's one east southeast.
[33:19] >> Yeah.
[33:19] Okay.
[33:21] >> That y
[33:22] >> Yeah. Thank you.
[33:27] » Okay.
[33:29] [snorts]
[33:30] This is where we get into um the phasing
[33:34] of the roads in order to take care of
[33:36] the traffic that's coming to Gransville
[33:38] as growth happens. So, we've got three
[33:42] phases that we split this into. So,
[33:45] phase one, um well, actually, let me let
[33:48] me show you this first.
[33:56] So, the right hand side is if we do
[33:57] nothing. The left hand side is if we do
[34:00] something.
[34:02] So, the right hand side shows if we
[34:05] don't do anything in by 2035.
[34:09] This is the condition of or the traffic
[34:11] condition within Grantsville. So the red
[34:14] means bad, yellow means moderate, green
[34:16] means good. So if we do nothing and let
[34:19] the city grow, these roads are going to
[34:22] be failing, meaning you're going to have
[34:23] bumperto-bumper traffic in those
[34:25] sections of road um at that year. If we
[34:31] add certain roads, which I'll show you
[34:32] here in a second, if we build the roads
[34:35] that we're proposing to be put in, then
[34:38] this is the condition of those roads on
[34:40] the left hand side.
[34:45] 2042,
[34:48] same thing. If we do nothing on the
[34:51] right hand side, this is what the
[34:52] condition of those roads are going to be
[34:54] as far as traffic goes. You can see some
[34:56] of these start to downgrade. But if we
[34:59] add the roads that we're proposing in on
[35:01] the left hand side, this is the
[35:03] condition that you're in. And same thing
[35:05] for the next one, 2050. And I could
[35:08] probably just skip to 2050 on most of
[35:10] these. Um,
[35:13] if we did nothing, basically all of the
[35:16] roads are failing that are high traffic
[35:19] roads. And then if we add the roads
[35:22] around the city and through the city,
[35:24] we're looking like we're in pretty good
[35:27] shape except for one piece of Main
[35:29] Street. Um, which technically would have
[35:33] to go to seven lanes in order in order
[35:35] to fix that, which is going to be very
[35:37] hard because you have buildings on both
[35:39] sides.
[35:40] >> So what's a fail? What color is fail?
[35:42] >> Failing is red.
[35:45] Dark red.
[35:46] >> Hi. Could I make a comment and and I
[35:48] have ask you a question?
[35:50] >> Yeah.
[35:50] >> So many of the roads directly north of
[35:53] Grantsville that you have proposed there
[35:56] are not in Grantsville city limits. Are
[35:58] those plan county roads? Have you I mean
[36:01] you said you worked on the county plan.
[36:03] >> Yeah.
[36:04] >> So I mean those are within our annexed
[36:06] boundary. Yes.
[36:07] >> We have not annexed officially that land
[36:10] into the city yet. So, and that is
[36:12] >> I guess my question is I mean that's all
[36:15] fine and dandy, but um that's not part
[36:18] of the city.
[36:18] >> Correct. Currently, they're not
[36:20] currently.
[36:20] >> Yes. Well, we're looking in the future.
[36:22] So,
[36:23] >> I I see that.
[36:23] >> Let's say let's we're anticipating that
[36:27] annexation happening so that when it
[36:29] happens that you've planned for the
[36:32] traffic demand within the city or so.
[36:36] Okay. The other thing to note is 90% of
[36:41] these roads are only going to be built
[36:44] by developers, which I'll get into here
[36:46] in a minute as well. Um, some of these
[36:50] roads are going to be city roads, but
[36:52] the majority of them will be development
[36:54] driven. So, if developers don't develop
[36:56] or annex to develop within Grantsville
[36:59] City, a lot of these roads won't happen,
[37:02] nor will there need to be if the city
[37:05] doesn't grow. But this
[37:07] The anticipation is there will be growth
[37:09] within the city or annexed and then
[37:13] growth within the city that way.
[37:18] » What's the typical life of a new
[37:21] subdivision?
[37:22] >> So you design it for 20 years. Um but
[37:25] then you have to maintain it. So if you
[37:28] maintain it, it can last forever. If you
[37:31] don't maintain it, it'll go to gravel
[37:33] again.
[37:34] But
[37:35] >> 20 years is
[37:36] If you did nothing, 20 years is is where
[37:39] you'd be. Yeah.
[37:43] So, [clears throat] this tip list is
[37:44] your transportation improvement plan.
[37:47] So, the level of service over here looks
[37:50] at the congestion within the city. The
[37:53] transportation improvement plan is the
[37:55] roads that need to go in to fix the
[37:57] issues with congestion within within the
[38:00] city. So this coincides with what needs
[38:02] to happen by 2035 with the growth
[38:06] projections that are that are
[38:07] anticipated between now and 2035.
[38:10] So all the roads shown in yellow and red
[38:13] are those um
[38:17] roads that need to go in in order to
[38:19] provide adequate uh transportation
[38:22] access through the city. Um a lot of
[38:26] these Oh, come on.
[38:30] A lot of these are going to be developer
[38:33] related. For example, this these outer
[38:36] roads are all development driven.
[38:39] This northern piece is development
[38:41] driven. This uh this red road is
[38:44] development driven. These yellow roads
[38:47] are all road widening. So, a lot of
[38:49] these are UD do. So, this one's UD do.
[38:52] Um this one's U DOT. This might be a
[38:55] combination of uh city and county um and
[39:00] then some city widenings as well as well
[39:03] as county improvements too.
[39:06] >> How much of that loop is actually
[39:09] existing right now?
[39:10] >> Uh which one? This
[39:12] >> the red loop basically.
[39:15] >> None of that. Yeah. [clears throat]
[39:19] >> What is that yellow line? Is that south?
[39:23] There's a portion of it that's existing.
[39:24] Part of it's not Green Street.
[39:26] >> Yes.
[39:27] there is a portion right in there.
[39:29] Yeah.
[39:30] >> Starting here, it's non-existent.
[39:33] >> Well, even even there, right there, that
[39:36] cross-section where your cursor just
[39:38] was, all that to the
[39:40] >> east
[39:40] >> to the east is all not non-existent as
[39:43] well.
[39:43] >> Willow Street.
[39:44] >> Yeah.
[39:44] >> Till you get to Willow. Yeah. [laughter]
[39:50] But this western piece, nothing's in
[39:52] that. [clears throat]
[39:56] So if we same thing on the next one,
[39:59] this is phase two going to 204 2042.
[40:06] So these are the roads. The black roads
[40:08] are the roads we just looked at. So the
[40:10] 2035 roads, 2042 roads are the ones in
[40:14] yellow and red. So, this little piece um
[40:18] just off of Maine would need to be
[40:20] widened by UDOT. And then the red roads
[40:24] would need to go in for adequate flow
[40:26] through the city.
[40:29] >> And that that red road at the bottom,
[40:32] >> that's the depot road, correct? Okay.
[40:34] >> Correct. Yep.
[40:39] And the last one, this is that full
[40:42] buildout, of course.
[40:44] >> [clears throat]
[40:46] >> Basically, the rest of those collector
[40:49] roads that we that are needed are shown
[40:51] here. The black roads are the ones that
[40:54] are in 2042 and 2035.
[40:59] If you click on each of these, which is
[41:02] this is a good segue into our next
[41:05] discussion.
[41:08] If you click on each of these, these
[41:11] this is the number of lanes that are
[41:13] needed for the model to or for the
[41:16] traffic to flow through the city. So a
[41:18] three lane section is one lane in each
[41:21] direction with a center turn lane. Two
[41:23] lanes is one lane in each direction.
[41:26] Five lanes is two lanes in both
[41:29] directions and one center turn lane. So
[41:31] if you click on each of these, you can
[41:34] click on them and see
[41:36] [clears throat] the total number of
[41:38] lanes required for the traffic to flow
[41:40] through the city. Um
[41:44] so the bulk of the discussion tonight,
[41:47] I'm going to bring up three specific
[41:50] locations that we need to talk about.
[41:59] So down here on the west side
[42:03] you have a heavy um density or we have a
[42:08] heavy density of arterial roads which
[42:12] are 108 ft wide um in this area. Based
[42:17] on the modeling we did, most of the
[42:20] roads in the city, basically all of the
[42:22] city roads only need to be three lanes
[42:25] or less. Um,
[42:28] these green lines that we're showing are
[42:30] five lanes. Um, so my recommendation or
[42:35] the discussion tonight [clears throat]
[42:37] we need to discuss is do you want to
[42:40] continue to see all of these be five
[42:43] lane roads or do you anticipate or would
[42:46] you like to look at some of those being
[42:49] reduced to maybe a threelane corridor or
[42:51] a two-lane corridor? Um, so
[42:54] specifically, uh, Shelby, do you
[42:58] remember did we we discussed this one
[43:00] staying or was it this one?
[43:02] >> Um, so Matt Canyon needs to stay Main
[43:05] Street, um, which is that one is one
[43:07] that,
[43:09] um, is variable, but you're never it's
[43:13] going to be difficult to get the
[43:14] rightway back.
[43:15] >> Yes. Because it's already shrunk down to
[43:17] two lanes in some areas, right?
[43:19] >> So maybe the road doesn't need to be
[43:20] built out to a five or seven lane road.
[43:23] But if we have that right away, we can
[43:25] always build wider
[43:28] >> later on.
[43:29] >> right?
[43:31] >> And so that's why staff recommended to
[43:34] keep those um arterial or larger rideway
[43:38] widths. So in the event with the
[43:41] anticipated development going up there,
[43:43] we have the rightway widths.
[43:48] It's a purchase of private property back
[43:51] eminent domain to do the law of that
[43:53] >> eminent domain and I mean structures
[43:55] there then you're needing to tear down
[43:58] structures or things like that.
[44:05] » So specifically so this one has to stay
[44:08] this green
[44:09] >> the M canyon. Yeah, I would say so.
[44:12] >> Main Street, there's portions of that neck down to 80 ft and then back up
[44:16] to 108 ft. So, there's sections of this
[44:19] one that kind of skinny up. Um,
[44:24] there's also
[44:26] a depot road that kind of loops all the
[44:28] way around. These two are a little bit
[44:31] close together [clears throat] to be
[44:33] both minor arterials. Um
[44:39] so it's really up to up for discussion
[44:43] on
[44:45] do you keep this high density of
[44:47] arterials in this area. Um the only the
[44:51] only thing that I would
[44:54] um
[44:56] you have to be careful with requiring
[44:59] too much right away on every street um
[45:04] because the modeling doesn't give you
[45:06] justification necessarily to have that
[45:09] wide of a rideway. Um
[45:14] it doesn't hurt to get wider rightways.
[45:17] Um, but there's there's a
[45:22] chance that you could a developer could
[45:27] come to you and say, "Hey, you required
[45:29] too much right away. You should you got
[45:31] to give it back to me or pay me for it."
[45:34] Um, so that's a discussion for the
[45:36] council and planning commission to have
[45:39] tonight.
[45:40] And I don't know is your is your city
[45:42] attorney that Yeah. Is that you? Um is
[45:46] that the case?
[45:48] >> Yeah. So if we require larger ride
[45:50] ofways than then is necessary that would
[45:52] be considered a taking and we would need
[45:54] to compensate the developer for the
[45:57] required up size that we'd be looking
[45:59] for for a ride ofway.
[46:00] >> Right? So that's just one thing to
[46:03] consider tonight as we go. There's
[46:06] really three areas. There's this one and
[46:09] two others that I want to look at
[46:10] tonight. Um, with that,
[46:14] >> what's the minimum width of any of these
[46:16] roads?
[46:17] >> I think your smallest right away is 80.
[46:20] >> No, our smallest right away is 66.
[46:22] >> 66.
[46:23] >> Our max is
[46:27] » Yeah, I have some typical sections that
[46:29] we have drafted. Um,
[46:35] yeah. So, this is your 66 foot rideway.
[46:38] This is what it looks like.
[46:42] This is your 90 foot. So this is what
[46:46] your collector streets would look like.
[46:48] And then this is what the arterial looks
[46:51] like. So you have five lanes at full
[46:54] buildout
[46:56] with parking.
[47:00] » What's the width of this one more time?
[47:02] >> Uh this is 108 ft.
[47:04] >> That what about was the 60?
[47:06] >> Oh, this one's 90. And then
[47:10] uh
[47:12] 66.
[47:13] >> This one only 66.
[47:23] » You said that 108 was it five lane? But
[47:26] [clears throat]
[47:27] >> yes. So this picture is a little bit
[47:30] confusing because we cut it in half.
[47:32] >> Okay. So on the left hand side you're
[47:35] going to see if they don't build the
[47:37] full rideway all the way out. The right
[47:39] hand side is if they build it all the
[47:41] way out. So if they were to build both
[47:43] sides it would be mirrored
[47:46] >> on that side.
[47:48] >> Yep.
[47:52] Um,
[47:58] » and have you I guess ran this or
[48:01] coordinated who want to coordinate with
[48:03] you?
[48:04] >> Yes.
[48:04] >> Have you coordinated with them? Yeah.
[48:06] >> In regards to this, I guess the one
[48:07] question I would bring up is in
[48:09] coordinating with this like
[48:12] >> we have the Mid Valley Highway and then
[48:13] the other highways, are they actually
[48:15] talking possibly a freeway that could
[48:17] loop around all the way down? I don't
[48:18] know. Beat us.
[48:20] >> I don't think that's part of that.
[48:22] >> That's not part of their plan currently.
[48:25] Um
[48:27] >> that I'm aware of. We have the mid
[48:30] valley.
[48:32] >> This one
[48:35] >> and talking with Travis Heron dot and
[48:37] working with Jeff debate that has been a
[48:39] discussion for Grantville itself.
[48:42] Quilla, yes, but not Grantsville on Mid
[48:45] Valley Highway in the long future may
[48:49] turn into a freeway, but they're not
[48:51] anticipating that Grantsville will need
[48:52] a freeway.
[49:01] So, jumping back to this.
[49:04] Um,
[49:09] there are
[49:10] I mean,
[49:12] >> can you go back to that purple line that
[49:14] you were just barely on uh to your left?
[49:18] >> This one
[49:18] >> the dashed. Yes.
[49:19] >> Yeah. So,
[49:21] do we have homes in this area already
[49:24] that are
[49:27] not in
[49:30] >> Is that Walmart there? That
[49:31] >> Yes, that's Walmart. So, are there homes
[49:33] anywhere in that purple?
[49:35] >> No, there's like two homes to the east
[49:38] of it, but this is part of Sean
[49:39] Johnson's development.
[49:40] >> Okay. I'm talking more further um
[49:43] further south, like nowhere in there.
[49:45] Highlands,
[49:47] >> a bunch of town homes in there. Uh about
[49:49] where the green is, I think. Green and
[49:51] yellow, aren't there a bunch of top
[49:52] >> in here?
[49:53] >> No, there's not.
[49:54] >> There's still piece of that yellow green
[49:55] line.
[49:56] >> Okay. So, nothing in in this area is
[49:58] built out. Northstar or Northstar Ranch.
[50:01] None of that is in here. Okay.
[50:03] >> I mean, it'll be a part of it, but
[50:04] >> Right. But not yet.
[50:06] >> This little grade out area, you can see
[50:08] this is your annex limits currently.
[50:11] >> Okay.
[50:11] >> So, that's where your city limits are
[50:13] right now.
[50:14] >> So, the towns are back down on the
[50:15] highway. That's Yeah, I mean Sun is
[50:17] right there, but you're still not that
[50:19] far out. Northstar Ranch is south of
[50:21] there, but you're still
[50:22] >> still even inside that yellow line right
[50:24] there.
[50:25] >> Yeah, they're one way.
[50:32] » I guess that gives us a little
[50:33] perspective of how far up the bench
[50:35] these three
[50:37] roads will be. I guess [clears throat]
[50:43] » originally
[50:45] um
[50:46] there's a couple options. We can leave
[50:48] it the way it is. Um
[50:52] knowing that the lane configuration is
[50:55] larger than what's needed. Um but there
[50:59] is that legal risk involved with that.
[51:03] Um,
[51:04] we can make a few changes to this. We
[51:08] talked about a few today in our meeting.
[51:11] Um,
[51:14] we can change some of these uh colors so
[51:17] that they're more in line with the lane
[51:19] configurations that are in the model
[51:21] that we got. Um,
[51:27] I guess those are the only two options
[51:28] there. basically switch the lane
[51:30] configuration to match up with the model
[51:32] itself with a skinnier rideway or leave
[51:36] it get a bigger ride ofway and only
[51:38] build the lane configuration that you
[51:41] need.
[51:43] That's always my recommendation is to
[51:45] get more of the rightway width. Now,
[51:48] even if you don't build out the full uh
[51:52] asphalt cross-section [clears throat]
[51:54] because in in 50 years or 100 years when
[51:57] you need the rightway, it's there and
[51:59] available. Not dissimilar to how our our
[52:02] current main street is right now. We
[52:04] have plenty of width right now to go out
[52:06] to five lanes if we needed to and if
[52:08] that day ever came. Um that's because
[52:11] our our forefathers had the the
[52:13] foresight to look at that and say this
[52:15] is going to be the main street. Let's
[52:17] make sure it's wide enough. So uh it can
[52:21] accommodate future growth. That's really
[52:23] what we're being tasked with
[52:25] anticipating right now.
[52:31] » Who maintains that no man's land in the
[52:34] meantime? I guess
[52:36] >> the city. Yeah, it doesn't probably get
[52:39] anything [clears throat] doesn't look
[52:41] pretty very good. I can see the
[52:44] future
[52:47] bearing, but also
[52:49] non-maintenance of all that rail that we
[52:51] ever use.
[52:53] >> And then your setbacks are off that
[52:55] wider rideway as well. So your houses
[52:58] are set back
[53:01] 30 ft from that 108t rideway line.
[53:05] Well, you're you're North Depot Road and
[53:08] you come on that southwest quadrant. How
[53:10] what is your elevation gain to get up on
[53:11] that?
[53:13] It's
[53:13] >> And is there any talk for the council to
[53:15] annex that part of the
[53:18] >> county in
[53:21] our plan just approved it few weeks ago.
[53:26] So, we can't just go and annex land into
[53:30] requested has to be requested. So,
[53:32] >> well, just like with any any
[53:34] infrastructure project, if there are uh
[53:37] concerns like that, they'll have to be
[53:39] worked around and dealt with. These lines aren't necessarily intended
[53:42] to be survey level accurate, per se.
[53:45] They're intended to be guidelines as
[53:47] development happens in the area. Um,
[53:50] this is the ask is that we anticipate
[53:54] >> the need for these kinds of circulatory
[53:57] roadways.
[53:58] And if again, if we don't ask for it
[54:01] now, we can't ask for it later.
[54:03] >> Keep it wide.
[54:04] >> Yeah, I think we keep it wide. I mean,
[54:06] Sean Johnson's deal is going to be the
[54:08] same size as Grantsville. We only have
[54:10] one road pretty much that width, Main
[54:12] Street, maybe Dery in some spots or
[54:14] Clark, but I mean, we've seen how busy
[54:17] that is already. So, I think we keep it
[54:20] wide, especially on that West bench.
[54:22] >> Absolutely. give them to north south,
[54:26] you know, wide roads to use.
[54:29] >> Sounds great.
[54:31] >> Have you ever had a city say wish we had
[54:32] smaller roads?
[54:34] >> I doubt [laughter]
[54:36] >> the road crew does.
[54:38] >> Yeah.
[54:40] I'd like you to go, if you would please,
[54:42] to the 33rd Parkway, which I don't know
[54:44] if you're familiar with.
[54:45] >> Yes, that is my next area that I wanted
[54:48] to look at.
[54:49] >> Thank you. [clears throat] Um, this is
[54:51] one that we've had countless discussions
[54:56] on between Shelby, myself, and other
[55:01] staff. Um,
[55:03] so this alignment from Mid Valley
[55:06] Highway to about
[55:10] >> the triangle
[55:11] >> probably
[55:13] >> honestly probably to here because we're
[55:15] vested, right?
[55:17] >> Yeah. So I mean in the for Lake View
[55:19] business Business Park in the master
[55:20] development agreement, it's showing and
[55:22] outlines that Mid Valley Highway or 33rd
[55:26] Parkway will run to the north of them.
[55:29] But the county right now um has right
[55:32] away obtained where that triangle
[55:35] spot is
[55:38] to the east
[55:39] >> where it says Lake View.
[55:41] >> Yeah.
[55:43] No,
[55:43] >> this one
[55:45] >> up a little bit.
[55:47] >> The triangle right here.
[55:49] >> That's the rail track.
[55:50] >> They have it up.
[55:51] >> This is where they have the right
[55:53] >> that's where their rightway that they've
[55:55] purchased ends. Correct. Okay.
[55:58] >> And then Huntsman's, that's this piece.
[56:01] Um
[56:02] >> Romney's
[56:03] >> Rom Romney's sorry. Romney's group from
[56:07] here to here is I don't know where
[56:10] property lands are exactly. All right.
[56:12] >> Um
[56:13] >> to the west.
[56:14] >> Is it somewhere in there?
[56:17] >> There. Yeah.
[56:19] >> Um so there their group basically
[56:23] um talking to Shelby. It is vested with
[56:27] the road being on the north side. Mhm.
[56:30] >> There is
[56:32] I would like to see this connecting to
[56:36] only because can actually go all
[56:40] the way through.
[56:41] Um whereas uh Dery Street
[56:46] >> gets cut off.
[56:48] But
[56:51] there are well the other issue with Dery
[56:55] Street is aligning these two
[56:57] intersections is going to prove
[56:59] difficult as far as a design goes.
[57:02] >> We had it we had it lined up before and
[57:04] we changed it.
[57:07] >> So
[57:08] >> Oh, you had it you had
[57:09] >> Yeah, we had it like that and Udoth
[57:11] wanted a perpendicular
[57:13] >> intersection right there. So that's why
[57:15] it goes up. That's
[57:16] >> why it got changed. Yep.
[57:20] >> Um, so to line those two up, it's
[57:23] possible, but there's some
[57:25] >> property is still there. It's just it's
[57:27] just sitting there.
[57:28] >> Yeah.
[57:28] >> To make those line up as you're
[57:30] discussing,
[57:31] >> but to make them a 90 degree
[57:33] intersection,
[57:34] >> that's going to be impossible.
[57:35] >> That's going to be hard.
[57:36] >> Yeah.
[57:37] >> Which is what you do will most likely
[57:39] require.
[57:42] Something we discussed in the meeting
[57:44] today was potentially coming
[57:48] once you get to this point coming down
[57:51] crossing over following this dirt road
[57:54] and possibly connecting in here with
[57:57] 33rd.
[57:59] Um or we can keep it on dury and
[58:04] somehow figure out that intersection.
[58:06] Um,
[58:09] those are really the two options that I
[58:11] wanted to talk about.
[58:12] >> I I was I guess I'm confused. I thought
[58:15] that
[58:16] I understood that the Romney wouldn't
[58:18] allow 33rd Parkway to go through the
[58:21] Lake View Business Park, but we have the
[58:23] ability to take it. It's on the north
[58:26] you said of
[58:28] >> so in the master development agreement
[58:30] for Lake View business park their
[58:33] exhibits should 33rd Parkway and they
[58:36] reference that they get eight
[58:38] connections to 33rd Parkway to the north
[58:40] of their development.
[58:44] » So it needs to be reviewed and
[58:46] determined does 33rd Parkway go through?
[58:49] Is that what we want 33rd Parkway or do
[58:52] we want it to drop down to Green? We
[58:54] want it to connect into
[58:57] uh what is that? Keeps
[58:58] >> one of the biggest problems that you
[59:00] have though is crossing the tracks there
[59:02] and the tracks why right there at that
[59:05] triangle and it circles there are at
[59:08] least according to their plan. And so
[59:10] you're'll be crossing the tracks like
[59:11] three times right there
[59:14] or at least twice
[59:15] >> within a small window.
[59:18] >> They don't want to miss that.
[59:20] >> Are they going to bring it down this
[59:21] way? It's going to kind of circle.
[59:24] >> Yeah.
[59:25] >> So, we're going to cross it here. And
[59:26] then again,
[59:27] >> I think you'll have to show him on the
[59:28] map because it kind of
[59:31] >> Shelby can get you their proposed plans
[59:33] on where they're putting their rail.
[59:35] [clears throat]
[59:39] » This is a critical one.
[59:41] >> It is. It is critical
[59:43] >> because [snorts] part of this level of
[59:45] service map that we show here
[59:57] This is your current level of service
[59:59] map.
[1:00:01] You can already see Highway 112's
[1:00:04] failing. Um, and east side of Main
[1:00:07] Street's already failing. Currently,
[1:00:11] we don't add in that east west
[1:00:14] connection. That's only going to get
[1:00:16] worse.
[1:00:27] So you can see we have it. We have that
[1:00:30] 33rd Parkway coming in and that's what
[1:00:33] helps that highway one the highway 138.
[1:00:38] It helps decrease the traffic on that.
[1:00:43] But you're only crossing the rail twice.
[1:00:47] So where the little triangle rail area
[1:00:51] is, you're only crossing [clears throat]
[1:00:52] that portion of the rail. And then as
[1:00:54] long as you stay to the north of it, you
[1:00:56] don't cross it again.
[1:01:01] » So you're talking.
[1:01:02] >> So keep
[1:01:12] Yeah. So you would cross twice here and
[1:01:15] you can either come down and have it
[1:01:18] connect into here or we continue it and
[1:01:20] figure out going down there. But the
[1:01:24] rail splits here. So one two cross.
[1:01:26] >> So cross cross
[1:01:29] >> there
[1:01:32] at grade for now and then eventually
[1:01:34] it's going to be a bridge. You can
[1:01:36] either come down here and connect
[1:01:38] through or stay there.
[1:01:45] » From your from your experience, you
[1:01:47] talked about whether to go to Niger
[1:01:49] Street and I
[1:01:51] >> you got a little push for right for
[1:01:53] right angle intersections. Yeah.
[1:01:54] >> The cost to to re-engineer what we do
[1:01:56] there or taking property sounds like
[1:01:58] it'd be more complicated than trying to
[1:01:59] connect to N green. Is that what I'm
[1:02:01] about to say or
[1:02:02] >> I mean you can do it with the right
[1:02:04] amount of money, right? Like
[1:02:06] >> costwise it'd be more cost effective to
[1:02:08] tie connect this to my network.
[1:02:10] >> Not necessarily cost effective. I'm more
[1:02:12] looking at it from a a grid network. So
[1:02:15] like
[1:02:17] instead if you connect in here, you're
[1:02:20] [clears throat] sending everybody down
[1:02:21] to this point and it's stopping.
[1:02:25] Whereas if you send [clears throat]
[1:02:27] people to here, they can go all the way
[1:02:31] around the city and literally loop the
[1:02:35] whole city itself on that one road.
[1:02:40] >> If it was up to you, what would you
[1:02:41] pick? I'm curious. From a consultant
[1:02:42] perspective,
[1:02:43] >> I mean, from a from a traffic modeling
[1:02:45] perspective, the the Nag Green makes
[1:02:49] more sense, but
[1:02:52] there's politics involved as well.
[1:02:54] [laughter]
[1:02:55] So yes, Jason, you're correct.
[1:02:57] >> The other thing about Derky Street is
[1:03:00] that we have a bunch of existing
[1:03:02] residents, right? Where you get to night
[1:03:03] green, there are some but a lot less and
[1:03:06] it's more open country. So you can yeah
[1:03:09] do better planning and less impact to
[1:03:12] the street with res.
[1:03:19] You do have the school on N Green um
[1:03:22] which you can narrow down to a
[1:03:26] two-lane road through that piece and
[1:03:28] then widen back out to a to a threelane
[1:03:32] piece. Um
[1:03:35] but that you have a lot more flexibility
[1:03:38] with N [clears throat] green than you do
[1:03:40] on Dery itself.
[1:03:42] >> Well, Dury is already one of the
[1:03:43] heaviest traffic roads right there.
[1:03:46] >> Yeah. Yep.
[1:03:49] >> [clears throat]
[1:03:53] » So I can draw it coming down
[1:03:56] crossing over here.
[1:03:59] Or
[1:04:01] I mean if it's an option still it sounds
[1:04:03] like it's not an option to go through
[1:04:05] their property though, right?
[1:04:10] » The politics we want to play. Okay.
[1:04:13] >> I guess I'll leave the politics uh up to
[1:04:16] the politicians.
[1:04:18] Um, if you want to try and push it
[1:04:20] through their property, we can draw it
[1:04:22] like that. Or we can try
[1:04:25] [clears throat] drawing it through on
[1:04:27] the west side of their property coming
[1:04:29] down.
[1:04:30] >> What about right there? That triangle go
[1:04:32] back up coming off right there and just
[1:04:35] coming straight. You're you're
[1:04:36] perpendicular to right there.
[1:04:38] >> Right there. And then coming across.
[1:04:40] Yeah.
[1:04:44] » Seems [clears throat] like only real
[1:04:45] option.
[1:04:47] Or we can leave it how it show.
[1:04:56] » Either way, McLean, it sounds like you
[1:04:58] got to do something with 112 and Dury
[1:05:00] connection regardless of where you make
[1:05:02] the 33rd connection on 112.
[1:05:06] >> Yeah.
[1:05:07] That close to Derby. It's going to just
[1:05:09] be a bottleneck.
[1:05:11] >> Can't believe there's not been more
[1:05:12] accidents right there on ve.
[1:05:15] Yeah.
[1:05:18] >> Knock on wood. [laughter]
[1:05:21] >> There was a death there while ago.
[1:05:34] It's a little hot spot, but not too
[1:05:36] [clears throat] not too bad. Any
[1:05:40] thoughts?
[1:05:46] » I'd like the night green.
[1:05:47] >> Bring it down.
[1:05:50] >> I agree.
[1:05:52] >> Okay.
[1:05:52] >> You were talking about the width of the
[1:05:54] road in front of the school affecting it
[1:05:57] is 90 ft currently. So,
[1:06:00] >> okay.
[1:06:02] >> It's [clears throat] already what we
[1:06:03] need it to be.
[1:06:04] >> Okay.
[1:06:05] >> So, that's that's done. But I also agree
[1:06:08] that dealing with that intersection of
[1:06:10] Dery Street crossing
[1:06:13] 112 is something that has to be
[1:06:18] >> probably going to happen.
[1:06:19] >> Yes.
[1:06:23] » On the east side or the west side
[1:06:26] >> of 112.
[1:06:27] >> Yeah.
[1:06:28] >> I I think that it just is going to need
[1:06:30] to cross in some
[1:06:33] whether it connects to the 33rd Parkway.
[1:06:36] I don't know. But I just think you're
[1:06:37] going to get a bottleneck of traffic of
[1:06:38] people trying to get to the 33rd Parkway
[1:06:41] from Dery Street.
[1:06:43] >> Right.
[1:06:45] >> Yeah. If a connection doesn't happen
[1:06:48] there,
[1:06:50] they would have to come up
[1:06:52] >> and then turn and come out,
[1:06:54] >> which would which isn't a crisis. I just
[1:06:57] know how
[1:06:58] our nature is to find the path of least
[1:07:01] resistance and and and the shortest path
[1:07:04] as the crow flies. And so we're going to
[1:07:07] I just can imagine that could be
[1:07:10] >> What do you proposing a tunnel?
[1:07:12] >> Yes, I'd like a tunnel. A subway a
[1:07:14] subway starting [laughter]
[1:07:17] >> an underpass.
[1:07:18] >> Could they do a right in right out on
[1:07:20] that coming in that side? So you would
[1:07:21] it would wouldn't be a full
[1:07:22] intersection, but it would allow people
[1:07:24] to access 112 right there without having
[1:07:27] to totally make it congested because
[1:07:28] you're not going to be able to have two
[1:07:29] intersections that are offset. You don't
[1:07:31] want to allow that.
[1:07:33] >> No,
[1:07:34] >> I'm surprised they've let it fly right
[1:07:37] out.
[1:07:38] >> That's an option as well. I mean, I
[1:07:40] >> you could do a large roundabout, too.
[1:07:42] >> I like that.
[1:07:43] >> That name [laughter] was an offset
[1:07:46] geometry.
[1:07:46] >> I knew that was coming. see a hot
[1:07:49] roundabout Europe [laughter]
[1:07:53] five roundabouts in the city
[1:07:55] proposing that [laughter]
[1:08:00] [clears throat]
[1:08:01] >> um what I'll do is I'll uh clean this
[1:08:04] up. I'll bring this down probably cross
[1:08:07] it um and then still show a connection
[1:08:12] connecting in. You have to cross it at
[1:08:14] the
[1:08:15] >> at the at this light at the signal sites
[1:08:18] that have already been established by UD
[1:08:20] do. Is that what you're trying to get
[1:08:21] to? Okay.
[1:08:22] >> You can't do it at any other spot now
[1:08:24] unless we amend our agreement with you
[1:08:25] do
[1:08:26] >> on what on the quarter agreement.
[1:08:30] >> Okay.
[1:08:30] >> Is the purple approved? What's approved
[1:08:33] with you do right now? The intersection
[1:08:36] >> I think it is the personal channel that
[1:08:39] there by his mouse is approved.
[1:08:42] >> Yeah.
[1:08:44] two intersections that close.
[1:08:46] >> They're like
[1:08:49] half a mile apart, I think, is
[1:08:52] >> their rule.
[1:09:00] » Sorry, I'm just making a note really
[1:09:01] quick.
[1:09:05] Okay.
[1:09:08] Um, let's see.
[1:09:18] Shelby, was there one more? I think that
[1:09:20] was it.
[1:09:22] Was there one more?
[1:09:24] >> I think it's maybe answered, but just to
[1:09:26] the northwest where the two um arterial
[1:09:30] roads are fairly close together near the
[1:09:33] flux area.
[1:09:34] >> Oh, yes.
[1:09:34] >> Did you already cover that? Yeah, they
[1:09:36] said keep the width and they'll build
[1:09:40] road within that width
[1:09:44] is what I was told.
[1:09:45] >> Yes.
[1:09:46] >> Okay.
[1:09:47] >> I think that makes good sense on the
[1:09:49] west bench. I down in that particular
[1:09:51] north area. I I mean those are really
[1:09:54] close together as they bottleneck down
[1:09:57] there. So I I'm not sure about
[1:10:02] >> that particular spot. We could change
[1:10:05] like
[1:10:05] >> there.
[1:10:06] >> No, not there. I'm talking on the north
[1:10:09] >> east of 138.
[1:10:12] >> So through here
[1:10:12] >> right here. Yeah.
[1:10:14] >> But I mean, how far away are we talking?
[1:10:16] >> I don't know.
[1:10:16] >> A mile, half mile thing.
[1:10:18] >> I don't think it's that.
[1:10:20] >> No.
[1:10:21] >> What if you What if you went to the
[1:10:23] south of those properties instead of
[1:10:24] going up and around them, you just
[1:10:26] stayed to the south of them? So it's a
[1:10:28] straight line. Can we do that or are
[1:10:31] these
[1:10:32] >> Where are you talking? So the the not
[1:10:34] the top green line, the one in So you're
[1:10:36] right. You see those developments how it
[1:10:38] juts up
[1:10:38] >> to the north of those and then it swings
[1:10:41] back down south.
[1:10:42] >> Yep.
[1:10:43] >> Yeah.
[1:10:43] >> We just go to the south of those
[1:10:45] properties and so it's a straight line
[1:10:47] all the way across. Then those two roads
[1:10:49] aren't so close.
[1:10:51] Yeah.
[1:10:57] » Yeah. There's a lot of
[1:10:59] >> there's a lot of
[1:11:00] >> property in there with structures on it.
[1:11:03] >> We tried to avoid those, but the best we
[1:11:06] could
[1:11:09] >> is the north green line the edge of that
[1:11:11] excession.
[1:11:13] >> No. Um,
[1:11:15] >> is that what pushes it south? because
[1:11:18] that's the north boundary there.
[1:11:20] >> No, your annexation limits are pretty
[1:11:22] wide.
[1:11:24] Um,
[1:11:27] the current city limit.
[1:11:29] >> Why does it come down right right there?
[1:11:32] That one on the north. Why doesn't it
[1:11:34] just straight into 130?
[1:11:36] >> Why doesn't it just go through here?
[1:11:38] >> No, the upper one.
[1:11:39] >> This one?
[1:11:40] >> Yeah. Why is that down?
[1:11:44] » Why does it come up to here? We're just
[1:11:46] trying to follow this property line.
[1:11:48] >> But I'm saying farther west. Why does it
[1:11:50] just go straight right?
[1:11:53] Why does it come down?
[1:11:56] >> There's a mine. If you keep going to the
[1:11:58] um west.
[1:12:01] >> Oh, you're saying why doesn't it just
[1:12:03] come like this?
[1:12:04] >> Yeah. All the way.
[1:12:06] >> We tried to line it up with this little
[1:12:08] mountain road.
[1:12:09] >> I
[1:12:15] » [clears throat]
[1:12:19] » We can look at this area too and see if
[1:12:21] we can brainstorm how to get those
[1:12:23] separated a little bit more as well.
[1:12:29] » If that more north line stayed straight
[1:12:31] like you were saying, I think you'd have
[1:12:32] more of a distance there. that road to
[1:12:34] the west. You said you tried to line up
[1:12:36] to it. If that's not that might be
[1:12:38] easier to move around than trying to get
[1:12:40] else above.
[1:12:41] >> I just go straight on that north
[1:12:43] >> green line
[1:12:46] >> back to the east.
[1:12:47] >> Just don't jog it down. Just go
[1:12:49] straight.
[1:12:49] >> Yeah.
[1:12:50] >> Okay.
[1:12:51] >> Well, except as far as the desireette
[1:12:54] development, isn't that kind of a major
[1:12:56] cross point that it makes sense to have
[1:12:59] that in there? No.
[1:13:00] >> Little mountain. I think it's the lower
[1:13:02] one.
[1:13:03] This one.
[1:13:04] >> That one. Okay, you're right. Because
[1:13:06] there's Yes. Sorry. You're right.
[1:13:10] >> I'll push this one up so it's a little
[1:13:13] further away as well.
[1:13:14] >> Go straight.
[1:13:15] >> Yeah. Through here.
[1:13:18] Okay.
[1:13:21] Any other questions on the
[1:13:23] classification network?
[1:13:32] now that I put you all all to sleep. Um
[1:13:36] so just for your information really
[1:13:38] there's a 50page report that really will
[1:13:40] put you to sleep that you can read. It
[1:13:42] will be online um that you can read. Um
[1:13:46] the PDF is not currently on there. We
[1:13:48] will be putting it on um today. Well,
[1:13:51] not today, tomorrow or Thursday.
[1:13:54] Um
[1:13:58] so there's that report.
[1:14:00] There is a document section in here that
[1:14:02] links you to all the municipal code
[1:14:05] pages within the city. So for planning
[1:14:07] and zoning, this is nice. They can pull
[1:14:09] this transportation plan up when they
[1:14:11] have projects coming and they can pull
[1:14:14] the code up from this website as well.
[1:14:17] We also have a 300page appendix with all
[1:14:20] the maps, hard copy maps, because the
[1:14:22] website technically isn't what you adopt, [clears throat] but it's just a
[1:14:26] tool for you to use in house. um you're
[1:14:30] actually adopting the report with the
[1:14:32] appendix as well.
[1:14:36] [clears throat] Then we have a
[1:14:37] definition sheet.
[1:14:40] Um this is mostly for the public just
[1:14:43] going through some of the jargon that we
[1:14:45] use in the transportation plan. You can
[1:14:48] read through um each one of these
[1:14:51] definitions and see what we're talking
[1:14:54] about.
[1:15:01] Shelby, any other items you can think of
[1:15:04] or anybody else that wants to bring up
[1:15:07] anything that's a plan itself? We've
[1:15:10] been here for a while. I know. Any other
[1:15:13] thoughts?
[1:15:14] >> Thank you.
[1:15:16] >> Any questions from council or the
[1:15:18] planning commission?
[1:15:21] » No.
[1:15:23] Melissa, we know this is a lot to digest
[1:15:25] and so that's why we wanted to give you
[1:15:26] a couple weeks to look through it before
[1:15:28] we had a a public meeting. Um be
[1:15:31] available to answer any questions that
[1:15:34] may come up and then um we'll uh we'll
[1:15:37] get this in front of you guys for
[1:15:39] adoption in the next little bit.
[1:15:42] So the plan is two weeks from now we'll
[1:15:46] do the public openhouse. We'll leave it
[1:15:48] open for two weeks after that for public
[1:15:50] comment. We'll get you all of the
[1:15:52] comments to look at if we get any. Um,
[1:15:56] and then we'll go through those
[1:15:58] comments, address them. Then it goes to
[1:16:01] public hearing at the planning
[1:16:02] commission level and then it will go
[1:16:05] they'll recommend to the council for
[1:16:07] adoption and then the the council will
[1:16:11] then adopt after that.
[1:16:14] How long was the last public?
[1:16:17] >> Uh,
[1:16:19] unless your code requires that.
[1:16:21] [clears throat]
[1:16:22] >> Typically, no. But
[1:16:24] >> if your code does require it, then yes,
[1:16:26] you will.
[1:16:27] >> Okay.
[1:16:27] >> Um,
[1:16:29] >> was the last plan for traffic last
[1:16:33] >> 2021
[1:16:35] was the last plan?
[1:16:36] >> 2022.
[1:16:37] tried amending it again in 2023
[1:16:42] but that failed.
[1:16:45] So the kind of the draft that we talked
[1:16:48] about last year was this the draft that
[1:16:51] was preliminary or
[1:16:53] >> it was um done by Horox I believe um and
[1:16:57] it was just just in
[1:17:01] » Do you mine do you do any like overlay
[1:17:05] of uh sensitive lands on the proposed
[1:17:10] >> on the proposed? Yeah, like wetlands and
[1:17:13] stuff
[1:17:14] >> typically in this level of study. No.
[1:17:17] >> Okay.
[1:17:17] >> Um when we're looking at like a specific
[1:17:19] corridor we do, but we're looking super
[1:17:23] high level. We're strictly looking at
[1:17:26] traffic numbers, how to fix the issues
[1:17:29] with traffic, and then if you want to
[1:17:32] look at certain corridors, then we can
[1:17:34] look at that. But in this study, no to
[1:17:37] that one.
[1:17:38] >> Thank you.
[1:17:39] I did forget one item. Um,
[1:17:43] so we did cost estimates, inflated them
[1:17:46] up to the year that they're anticipated
[1:17:49] to go in.
[1:17:50] >> This is a lot of money. Um, if you were
[1:17:53] to put every road within the city at
[1:17:56] full buildout, including developers, UD
[1:17:59] do county, and city, you're 835 million.
[1:18:03] >> Is that all?
[1:18:04] >> That's it. Trump change. Is that include
[1:18:07] like traffic lights?
[1:18:10] >> This is just roads.
[1:18:11] >> Oh, okay. Yeah, I didn't think
[1:18:13] [laughter] so.
[1:18:15] >> That would double that, right?
[1:18:18] >> Not quite, but
[1:18:20] >> Okay.
[1:18:21] >> Um, so the city right now is only we
[1:18:25] only have you guys putting in
[1:18:28] responsible for half of depot.
[1:18:31] um the widening projects within the city
[1:18:34] that need to happen and then
[1:18:38] um I think that's it honestly the
[1:18:41] widenings and deeper road itself
[1:18:44] um the county is responsible for some
[1:18:48] you're teaming with the county on some
[1:18:50] of these so the county is responsible
[1:18:53] for about 145,000 or 145 million UDOT's
[1:18:58] responsible for about 125 5 million and
[1:19:01] then developers take [clears throat] the
[1:19:03] brunt of it at about 450 million.
[1:19:13] This also takes into account, I will
[1:19:15] say, the crosssections of the wider ride
[1:19:18] ofway being five lanes instead of three.
[1:19:21] So if you want us to take that down to
[1:19:25] three lanes, we can do that. So that'll
[1:19:26] decrease that cost a little bit.
[1:19:33] No, because it'll just make everything
[1:19:35] else red.
[1:19:35] >> Yeah.
[1:19:36] More red. [laughter]
[1:19:38] >> So, the answer that question is no.
[1:19:40] >> Okay.
[1:19:40] >> I mean, we
[1:19:41] >> Sorry, but
[1:19:42] >> yeah, leave it there and we'll have to
[1:19:44] build as we can. That's all there is to
[1:19:47] it.
[1:19:50] >> Okay. Okay. That's all I have for you
[1:19:53] tonight.
[1:19:53] >> Thank you.
[1:20:00] » [clears throat]
[1:20:01] >> Did I close out?
[1:20:03] >> Any other comments from the council or
[1:20:04] commission?
[1:20:06] >> Okay, we'll move on to agenda item
[1:20:09] number two, a discussion of proposed
[1:20:10] amendments to the parks and
[1:20:12] transportation capital facilities plans,
[1:20:15] impact fee facilities plans, and impact
[1:20:17] fee analysis for Grantsville City.
[1:20:21] >> You want me to plug in or are you able
[1:20:23] to share that PDF?
[1:20:24] >> Um, I can share the PDF.
[1:20:37] Yeah, that'll work. You want me to run
[1:20:39] with
[1:20:40] >> Sure.
[1:20:40] >> Okay.
[1:20:45] » So, I'm Robert Rousell with Enzyme
[1:20:46] Engineering.
[1:20:48] Annually, we uh amend the capital
[1:20:51] facility plan, impact facility plans,
[1:20:53] and impact Ve analysis. I'm sorry, that
[1:20:56] was me.
[1:20:56] >> Oh,
[1:20:57] >> sorry. I'm just trying to stretch it out
[1:20:59] on the screen, but
[1:21:00] >> Okay.
[1:21:00] >> Sorry.
[1:21:02] >> And uh an item of correction is we
[1:21:05] basically amended everything except for
[1:21:07] the transportation. So, we include
[1:21:08] parks, you know, drinking water, waste
[1:21:10] water, uh water ice acquisition, storm
[1:21:13] drainage.
[1:21:17] » I do not know why it's
[1:21:26] So maybe
[1:21:28] can we budget me? Thank you.
[1:21:31] [laughter]
[1:21:33] » Okay. So you take a five minute break.
[1:21:35] >> Yeah. I think
[1:21:36] >> Yeah, we'll take a five minute break.
[1:21:38] >> Technology break.
[1:21:39] >> A tech break.
[1:21:43] » Yeah.
[1:21:46] Can't handle it.
[1:21:51] And then do I need to log into
[1:21:56] » I think
[1:22:02] that or is it a special
[1:22:10] » we use a separate phone.
[1:22:12] >> So yeah, how do I do that?
[1:22:13] >> Start deleting
[1:22:14] >> your own stuff. So he's a separate not
[1:22:22] » should be good.
[1:22:23] >> Yeah.
[1:22:24] >> Well,
[1:22:24] >> we provided these days
[1:22:30] to go to school bus.
[1:22:31] >> Yeah.
[1:22:41] So like if
[1:22:43] you drive it and then it'll update
[1:22:46] automatically.
[1:23:01] I know it isn't
[1:23:02] >> the hard part.
[1:23:05] Yeah, the imagery's
[1:23:09] » big.
[1:23:12] [clears throat]
[1:23:17] It's hard to see.
[1:23:19] >> So, it'll catch it as patchy, but it
[1:23:22] won't catch it as
[1:23:23] >> red.
[1:23:32] showing up.
[1:27:06] Good thing you get paid by the huh
[1:27:11] » life cycle.
[1:27:14] » That's good because I've always
[1:27:24] » Are you ready, Robert?
[1:27:27] truck by the hour.
[1:27:30] >> He doesn't care.
[1:27:30] >> No, we are we are hourly.
[1:27:34] >> In that case, we'll get started.
[1:27:37] [laughter]
[1:27:37] >> So, our thought process, right?
[1:27:41] >> We're
[1:27:43] going to to go back into um our session
[1:27:46] of this meeting and continue our
[1:27:48] discussion with item number two. It
[1:27:50] appears the
[1:27:52] >> that we're ready.
[1:27:54] >> Order in the court.
[1:27:56] All right. Go go go ahead, Robert.
[1:27:58] >> Okay. Yeah. So, Robert Rousell with Enzy
[1:28:00] Engineering.
[1:28:02] >> Yeah. We're we're basically looking at
[1:28:03] amendments to everything except for
[1:28:05] transportation. Once the transportation
[1:28:07] master plan is approved, then we'll update and uh bring that for
[1:28:12] planning commission, city council.
[1:28:18] So, we do uh amend these annually. We
[1:28:21] did amend parks and transportation uh in
[1:28:25] January. It's when it was approved by
[1:28:27] city council. There was a few changes
[1:28:30] there just to bring the transportation
[1:28:32] impact fee down. And then parks we
[1:28:35] updated with like scenic slopes and a
[1:28:37] few other projects.
[1:28:40] So yeah, impact fees uh I won't read
[1:28:42] everything here, but help fund expansion
[1:28:44] of uh you know to accommodate future
[1:28:47] growth. Uh we met with city staff
[1:28:49] multiple times in December and then once
[1:28:51] we had a draft, you know, we we met a
[1:28:54] couple weeks ago. It takes 90 days
[1:28:57] before impact fees are approved by city
[1:28:58] council before they go into effect. And
[1:29:01] uh any developer funded projects, which
[1:29:04] you'll see some of those throughout
[1:29:05] here, are not impact eligible. We did
[1:29:09] utilize the demographics
[1:29:11] that we had updated for the 2026 sewer
[1:29:14] rates which was kind of a little bit
[1:29:15] lower of a projection uh for the next 10
[1:29:18] years. [clears throat] Uh I mentioned
[1:29:21] there that you know typically the growth
[1:29:23] rate for Grantsville over the last 26
[1:29:24] years has been four and a half to 5%.
[1:29:27] There was some spikes during the co
[1:29:28] years.
[1:29:30] What we do is we determine the capital
[1:29:31] improvement projects using the
[1:29:33] demographics and level of service uh for
[1:29:35] the various you know for water
[1:29:37] wastewater the other and parks. Uh and
[1:29:41] then we determine any non- capital
[1:29:43] improvement project costs such as
[1:29:46] interest expense for bonds uh existing
[1:29:49] capital assets professional expenses and
[1:29:51] then future debt service.
[1:29:56] As I mentioned, here's kind of the the
[1:29:58] growth rate uh for the demographics uh
[1:30:01] section that we utilized. Starting off
[1:30:03] with like 3 and 12% for a couple years
[1:30:06] and then a 4% growth rate through the
[1:30:08] 10-year planning period.
[1:30:15] And then we look at different sub areas
[1:30:17] and and what this helps us with is
[1:30:20] projecting where growth's going to occur
[1:30:21] and where improvements are going to need
[1:30:23] to be made.
[1:30:27] This just summarizes the, you know, the
[1:30:29] residential growth rate, the commercial
[1:30:30] growth rate. That was another thing we
[1:30:32] did modify is we previously had used a
[1:30:35] growth rate, the same growth rate for
[1:30:37] residential as commercial, but looking
[1:30:39] back at previous building permits over
[1:30:41] the last, I believe it was five or six
[1:30:43] years. What we found was, you know, the
[1:30:45] commercial growth rate was hovering a
[1:30:47] little bit less or or at 1%. So, we've
[1:30:50] made that update move forward.
[1:30:55] We haven't changed for drinking water.
[1:30:57] We haven't changed the level of service.
[1:30:58] And this is based on for for indoor it's
[1:31:00] based on metered usage. We use state uh
[1:31:04] values for outdoor just because this
[1:31:08] change was made gosh in 2022 when we
[1:31:13] were having drought years and towards
[1:31:15] the end of the summer we were seeing
[1:31:17] more usage of city water for irrigation
[1:31:20] instead of grants irrigation company
[1:31:21] water.
[1:31:25] drinking water projects. We've got
[1:31:28] they're all kind of listed there. A lot
[1:31:30] of those you can see that are zero
[1:31:32] impact v eligible costs. Those are
[1:31:33] developer projects.
[1:31:36] The Bates well is currently being
[1:31:39] drilled. Northstar tank, we're just
[1:31:41] waiting for the Green water line to
[1:31:43] be finished so we can fill that. Uh so
[1:31:46] those u are projects that are currently
[1:31:50] being built. Northstar tank number one
[1:31:52] was needed previously for you know
[1:31:55] growth and so it was previously impact v
[1:31:57] eligible and in older plans but now you
[1:32:00] know there's not enough capacity so it's
[1:32:02] no longer impact v eligible
[1:32:06] » how many projects is that
[1:32:09] >> well and there's even more these are
[1:32:10] just ones we looked at is impact be
[1:32:12] eligible and yeah if you look in the
[1:32:14] like the main study you'll see them
[1:32:15] there I mean there's probably what 15
[1:32:19] there we can count up. But
[1:32:21] >> yeah, this shows kind even more. I guess
[1:32:26] there's 28 overall, but some of these
[1:32:30] I'll try to zoom in here.
[1:32:34] Some of these are replacements, you
[1:32:35] know, when you get in into the city, you
[1:32:37] know, just replacing a lot of the
[1:32:38] smaller lines with larger lines. The
[1:32:41] standards 8 inch diameter
[1:32:46] and this is just looking 10 years out.
[1:32:48] So they're, you know, like for
[1:32:50] Desireette for this development for
[1:32:52] example,
[1:32:54] we're really just showing kind of the
[1:32:55] backbone infrastructure. We anticipate
[1:32:57] the developer would be building kind of
[1:32:59] these interconnecting water lines and then we don't anticipate they'll
[1:33:05] build like their zone 7 tank in the next
[1:33:08] 10 years.
[1:33:17] So there's a little bit of change in
[1:33:18] impact fees. They they do go up a little
[1:33:21] bit. We base them based on meter size
[1:33:24] for residential and then non-residential
[1:33:26] we use per fixure unit. And that's
[1:33:29] assuming and it's in the report that uh you know the equivalent ERC is
[1:33:35] which is equivalent residential
[1:33:37] connection has 24 fixed units to
[1:33:41] basically get a cost for per fixture
[1:33:43] unit.
[1:33:47] And feel free to yeah just stop me if
[1:33:49] you have any questions as I go along.
[1:33:51] >> Public safety we left the level of
[1:33:53] service that change there. I this wasn't
[1:33:55] in the packet but it is in the report. I
[1:33:58] kind of just threw it in here just to
[1:34:00] explain that what we did look at for
[1:34:02] public safety was when we calculate the
[1:34:04] fee, we went to a a dwelling unit or a
[1:34:09] unit for non-residential
[1:34:11] and we based it based on CAD calls from
[1:34:15] the police department to get a little
[1:34:18] bit more accurate of what the impact is
[1:34:21] for, for example, single family,
[1:34:24] multifamily, and non-residential. That
[1:34:26] was using 2025 data from the police
[1:34:28] department and we'll we'll continue to
[1:34:31] update that yearly as we get more data
[1:34:33] and the police department's now tracking
[1:34:34] that. So what we found out was you know
[1:34:36] single family you know there's basically
[1:34:40] 575 calls per per unit. Multif family is
[1:34:44] almost two and on residential two and a
[1:34:46] half. And I'll show you kind of where
[1:34:48] that comes into play. Oh skipped a bit
[1:34:51] too far.
[1:35:07] As far as capital improvement projects,
[1:35:09] one change that we did did do uh just
[1:35:11] because we don't have the need quite yet
[1:35:14] is we've kept the we've kept the cost in
[1:35:18] there for future satellite fire station,
[1:35:20] but we did not put it in for impact fee
[1:35:24] eligibility.
[1:35:25] Uh because we since we're amending this
[1:35:28] annually, you know, once we see the
[1:35:30] need, then we'll we'll add it back in.
[1:35:31] So, we're collecting impact fees. So,
[1:35:33] the impact fee eligible costs are
[1:35:35] actually the animal control shelter and
[1:35:37] then the justice center police
[1:35:39] expansion.
[1:35:43] This this just shows where we
[1:35:44] anticipate,
[1:35:46] you know, improvements to be made. We've
[1:35:48] got a little note there that you know
[1:35:49] that actual project location will depend
[1:35:52] on you know how development occurs
[1:35:56] and here's the big change where I uh
[1:35:59] that I was mentioning. So it has gone
[1:36:01] down per dwelling unit for single family
[1:36:03] for example but has gone up for
[1:36:05] multi-unit and non-residential and
[1:36:07] that's just because there's more calls
[1:36:11] for those you know those land uses
[1:36:17] parks left level service same there four
[1:36:20] acres uh per thousand population
[1:36:25] we had to just to keep the impact fee
[1:36:28] balance positive there there just one
[1:36:30] year where it goes negative, which is
[1:36:31] fine. Um, but to to keep it positive, we
[1:36:35] did adjust some of these dates. Uh,
[1:36:38] let's see. So, like the just the phases
[1:36:41] on Scenic Slopes Park and then
[1:36:44] President's Park, we moved those out.
[1:36:46] Kind of looked at, okay, well, when
[1:36:48] realistically is President's Park going
[1:36:50] to be like 60% developed and and
[1:36:52] adjusted that date accordingly.
[1:36:57] And then here kind of shows all the
[1:36:59] projected parks in red.
[1:37:03] And so that caused it to go down
[1:37:05] slightly from what it was previously.
[1:37:12] Wastewater. We've kind of go over gone
[1:37:14] over this in nauseium with [laughter]
[1:37:17] with city council meetings, but uh the
[1:37:20] big one is the you know the treatment
[1:37:22] plant. So we've got that in here. And
[1:37:25] then there's the upsize of the West Bank
[1:37:27] interceptor, you know, segments one and
[1:37:29] two.
[1:37:31] And then the Northwest lift station,
[1:37:32] which will occur kind of in conjunction
[1:37:35] with the uh treatment plant, just
[1:37:38] upsizing the force main to get a little
[1:37:39] bit more life out of that lift station.
[1:37:42] And then uh public works improvements,
[1:37:44] we did push it out, you know, towards
[1:37:45] the end of the planning period.
[1:37:49] So yeah, you've probably seen this
[1:37:51] figure before, but it's just showing the
[1:37:54] kind of the West Bank interceptor, this
[1:37:55] line here, the uh Vegas Street
[1:37:58] Collector, and then the uh SR12
[1:38:02] interceptor, which would be developer
[1:38:04] constructed and Southwest sewer line,
[1:38:07] and then there's obviously the the
[1:38:09] upgrades to the treatment plant.
[1:38:14] So this one did go up slightly. We
[1:38:19] uh because of the upsize we added you
[1:38:21] know for the West Bank interceptor we
[1:38:22] did pull previously we had like the
[1:38:24] Willow Street collector after looking at
[1:38:27] a little bit more detail that project
[1:38:28] wasn't needed so it was moved kind of
[1:38:30] outside of the 10-year planning period
[1:38:32] so it did go up a little bit.
[1:38:37] water rights uh pretty much stayed the
[1:38:40] same except for
[1:38:44] the uh multi-unit residential. We really
[1:38:47] what drives this is the current if if
[1:38:50] you can find the water rights the
[1:38:51] current water rights cost. So we're
[1:38:54] using 29,000
[1:38:56] per irrigated acre.
[1:38:59] Uh, and the the difference here is just
[1:39:01] multi-unit residential just factoring in
[1:39:05] kind of the because we're using town
[1:39:08] homes as a as part of multi-unit
[1:39:10] residential and that means that waterite
[1:39:13] quantity is a little bit more. So that has gone up just slightly.
[1:39:20] storm drainage. We don't, you know, the
[1:39:22] city does not charge impact fees for
[1:39:25] storm drainage because a lot of the
[1:39:26] storm drainage right now is developer
[1:39:30] constructed.
[1:39:31] If there's a you you can charge impact
[1:39:34] fees in the future if there's any more
[1:39:36] regional projects that are planned on and the city's paying for
[1:39:39] those.
[1:39:42] So, here we've just listed the the storm
[1:39:45] drainage guidelines for the city right
[1:39:48] now.
[1:39:49] A lot of this is based on the West Bank
[1:39:52] interceptor or not the West Bank storm
[1:39:55] drain master plan.
[1:39:58] So the the city has constructed this
[1:40:00] Clark Street storm drain improvements
[1:40:02] project. There was a a grant for it.
[1:40:04] There's some future phases that are
[1:40:06] planned for this which would you know be
[1:40:09] a retention basin up higher in the the
[1:40:12] basin and then it's kind of turned
[1:40:15] sideways. But uh yeah, these are all the
[1:40:17] projects that were identified in the
[1:40:19] West Bank storm drainage master plan.
[1:40:26] And as I mentioned, storm drainage,
[1:40:28] they're not applicable just because
[1:40:30] they're really all the improvements thus
[1:40:33] far are constructed by developers
[1:40:35] directly.
[1:40:37] But if if that's something in the future
[1:40:39] the city wants to charge impact fees
[1:40:41] for, then it'd have to be looked at as
[1:40:44] more regional improvements.
[1:40:50] Impact fee comparisons. We look at we we
[1:40:53] kind of went over this last year, but we
[1:40:55] look at like a smaller 5,000 foot retail
[1:40:59] and then we compare them to
[1:41:02] not necessarily similar cities, but at
[1:41:04] least cities that have similar impact
[1:41:06] fees and kind of show you where the
[1:41:10] proposed and then existing, you know,
[1:41:12] Grantsville impact fees are. So, for
[1:41:15] example, you know, retail's gone up a
[1:41:17] little bit, and I think that was due
[1:41:19] more to the public safety, just the
[1:41:23] change in, you know, the costs per unit
[1:41:25] that drove that
[1:41:28] uh thousand square foot building that's
[1:41:31] gone down and that and that's kind of
[1:41:33] had the opposite. You know, we were
[1:41:34] basing
[1:41:36] public for public safety, we're basing
[1:41:38] it on square footage previously and now
[1:41:41] we're basing it on units. So if you had
[1:41:42] a thousand or a million square foot
[1:41:46] warehouse for example and it just was
[1:41:48] one unit with one water service one you
[1:41:51] know sewer service then it would just be
[1:41:52] charged that one impact fee per per
[1:41:56] unit.
[1:42:02] Town homes, it's gone down slightly.
[1:42:05] Single family slightly gone down. Here
[1:42:08] is where where the city's kind of hidden
[1:42:11] about right in the middle of the
[1:42:12] comparison cities.
[1:42:15] And then apartments also gone down as
[1:42:18] well,
[1:42:24] I guess. Yeah. Are there any questions?
[1:42:29] Was
[1:42:34] [cough and clears throat]
[1:42:35] there a slide and I missed it on? We
[1:42:39] talked about sewer
[1:42:41] bills.
[1:42:43] Water. I was worried about water bills.
[1:42:46] Water.
[1:42:48] I don't see it.
[1:42:49] >> Water.
[1:42:52] >> Yeah. So, there's water. This This is
[1:42:54] impact. So, this isn't the rates.
[1:42:57] There are rates in here.
[1:43:00] >> No, this is just this is impact. So, not
[1:43:02] the water rates.
[1:43:03] >> Okay.
[1:43:12] [clears throat]
[1:43:21] » Yes. Yeah. Any
[1:43:23] comments from
[1:43:25] >> I guess just my question would be is Is
[1:43:27] it a dance? We're dancing trying to
[1:43:29] compete with other cities to keep impact
[1:43:31] fees low or why not why not put a little
[1:43:33] buffer on there and make some extra.
[1:43:36] What what prevents us from doing that?
[1:43:39] >> Yeah, I mean you try to try to stay
[1:43:44] I know I've I've listened to talks that
[1:43:46] developers have had right at conferences
[1:43:47] and that type of thing is you try to
[1:43:49] stay competitive. I mean, if you're
[1:43:50] charging too much, then you're just not
[1:43:52] going to see the growth. And then if
[1:43:55] you're charging, you know, too less,
[1:43:56] then you're not paying for the
[1:43:58] improvements you need. So, it's it is
[1:44:00] kind of a balance there. Uh really, we
[1:44:04] look at, you know, with our level of
[1:44:05] service, hey, what improvements are
[1:44:07] needed and then there's only so much we
[1:44:10] can do. We we're looking at a 10-year
[1:44:12] planning period. So, that's that's the
[1:44:15] ERC's, equivalent residential
[1:44:16] connections in that 10 years. And
[1:44:19] there's only so much we can can do there
[1:44:21] with those improvements.
[1:44:23] >> The other challenge is too if we we get
[1:44:26] too crazy with it, the uh developers
[1:44:29] will notice that it's too crazy and
[1:44:31] they'll push back and and then all of
[1:44:33] this comes out and they'll say you're
[1:44:35] basing it off of not good data or good
[1:44:38] engineering. You're basing it off of a
[1:44:40] desire to have too much. And that opens
[1:44:44] up our impact piece challenge, legal
[1:44:46] challenge. and then we right back here
[1:44:49] giving it all over again. So we got to
[1:44:53] stay within a pretty narrow band of
[1:44:55] what's allowed.
[1:44:57] >> So there's law that governs what we can
[1:44:59] do. You just can't make something up.
[1:45:01] There's laws that are saying
[1:45:02] >> that's the whole point of doing this
[1:45:03] study anyway. This impact fees are are
[1:45:06] one of those things that is just so
[1:45:09] heavily regulated and and rightfully so.
[1:45:11] I mean, no one wants to pay more than
[1:45:13] they have to, and this is a a cost that
[1:45:16] eventually gets pushed back onto
[1:45:19] homeowners
[1:45:20] um to pay. And uh yeah,
[1:45:31] does anybody else have any questions?
[1:45:33] the commission council.
[1:45:38] » Are is the city looking at not waving
[1:45:41] fees as much now?
[1:45:47] » What are you referring to?
[1:45:49] >> Um I know that we've waved fees in the
[1:45:51] past and so with Cameron's concern
[1:45:56] um about maintaining a balance,
[1:46:01] I just
[1:46:04] Um, I just wonder are these static or
[1:46:07] are they fluid?
[1:46:10] Are they I think any impact fee is
[1:46:12] fluid, especially when it comes to
[1:46:13] commercial impact fees and you're in
[1:46:16] direct competition with municipalities,
[1:46:18] right?
[1:46:18] >> Waving fees for the keep the project
[1:46:20] going is common practice across multiple
[1:46:23] municipalities and not for years because
[1:46:25] you want to drive business, economic
[1:46:27] business growth.
[1:46:28] >> Yeah.
[1:46:29] >> Residential and housing growth not
[1:46:31] probably not as much.
[1:46:32] But commercial and and waving and
[1:46:36] assisting or waving impact fees on
[1:46:38] commercial development, I I would still
[1:46:40] think that you would see that as a
[1:46:42] one-on-one. I mean, I don't think it's a set. It's still on a case by case
[1:46:46] basis.
[1:46:49] >> Barry, go ahead.
[1:46:50] >> Oh, I was gonna Robert. I'll try my
[1:46:52] best.
[1:46:53] >> So, this is a 10-year window, right?
[1:46:54] Looking at the next 10 years. And so,
[1:46:56] next year, it's the next 10 years. And
[1:46:57] so, it's going to change. The next 10
[1:46:59] years are going to change. So there has
[1:47:01] to be some Yeah. fluidity.
[1:47:05] >> Yeah. And I've mentioned like for
[1:47:07] wastewater treatment, right? So the the
[1:47:08] plant like even though there's an impact
[1:47:11] fee now, like as long as that plant has
[1:47:13] capacity, excess capacity, you can
[1:47:16] charge buyins for that buyin fees. Y
[1:47:23] » and a lot of this data that's kind of
[1:47:25] why we went there with uh transfer
[1:47:27] transportation for example we're based
[1:47:29] like for non non-residential we're
[1:47:31] basing that based on their actual
[1:47:32] traffic study. So they they come in you
[1:47:36] know it it'll be reviewed by city staff
[1:47:39] you know the the transportation study
[1:47:41] and then that'll kind of dictate what
[1:47:42] their impact fees are. And we what we
[1:47:45] use on a lot of these is we we try to
[1:47:48] use specific city data to back up level
[1:47:51] of service. So it's it's specific to
[1:47:54] Grantsville.
[1:48:02] » Any other questions or comments?
[1:48:05] >> All right. Thank you, Robert.
[1:48:09] » All right. Um with that, I need a motion
[1:48:12] to adjurnn.
[1:48:14] Mayor, I'll make a motion we adjurnn.
[1:48:17] >> Uh, we have a motion to adjurnn by
[1:48:19] council member Dalton. Is there a
[1:48:20] second?
[1:48:22] >> Second.
[1:48:22] >> And a second by council member Williams.
[1:48:24] All in favor?
[1:48:25] >> I.
[1:48:27] >> Thank you for uh MLAN and Robert. For
[1:48:30] your information, please.
[1:48:36] You were worried about that.
[1:48:45] » Couldn't find where I saw
[1:48:56] something.
[1:48:58] >> Yeah. Tomorrow.