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Yes, I just wanted to say that the

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council is muted on Zoom. We can't hear

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what you guys are doing.

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» Thank you, Pete.

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Can you hear us now?

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» Can he hear us now?

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>> Okay. If there's anybody online that

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would like to make a public comment, uh,

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please raise your hand.

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Nothing. Okay, we will close agenda item

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number one and move to agenda item

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number two. Summary of action. Summary

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action items. Uh, letter A, the approval

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of minutes from the April 1st, 2026 city

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council regular meeting. These are not

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ready for us to to review and they will

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be available at our next meeting. So,

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item B is the approval of the bills.

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Does anybody on the council have any

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questions or comments about the bills?

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I did have one question regarding uh the

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a cemetery

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uh to um looks like for underllayment. I

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was just wondering what that was

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specifically.

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>> So it's a thick um rubber that we're

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going to put under the fence line we eat

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under a weed barrier. Okay, perfect.

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» Any other concerns or questions on the

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bills?

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Somebody would like to make a motion.

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» Mayor, I make a motion we approve the

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bills as presented to us.

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>> We have a motion by council member

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Thomas. Is there a second?

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>> Second.

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>> A second by council member Butler. All

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in favor? I

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item number three, consideration of res

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resolution 2026-24

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approving the appointment of Candy

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Swallum to the Grantsville City Library

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Board.

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I don't see Candy here, but I know

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Candy. So, if anybody would like to make

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a motion on that, it doesn't look like

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uh John is here either. Correct. Yeah,

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he's out today.

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>> Okay.

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>> Both these next two items, both these

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individuals have been attending the

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library board meetings as just citizens.

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>> Just learning the ropes, so to speak,

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until they were approved by the council.

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>> They have been making an [snorts] extra

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effort and supporting the library board.

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>> Perfect. So, Red is our council member

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who was on the library board. So, thank

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you for that update. Correct.

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» Someone would like to make a motion. If

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there are no f further concerns or

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questions,

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>> make a motion we approve resolution 2020

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2026-24

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approving the appointment of Candy

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Swallen to the Grantsville City Library

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>> We have a motion by Council Member

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Butler. Is there a second?

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>> A second by Council Member Williams. All

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>> Thank you. we will add her to the

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Grantsville City Library Board. Um the

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next item number four is a consideration

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of resolution 2026-25

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approving the appointment of Camille

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Can I get a motion? Mayor, I make a

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motion we approve resolution 2026-25

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approving the appointment of Camille

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Coons to the Grantsville City Library

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>> We have a motion by Council Member

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>> A second by Council Member Dalton. All

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>> Right. Thank you to Candy and Camille

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for being willing to serve our library

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consideration of resolution 2026-26

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approving the memorandum of

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understanding with the inland Port

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>> Thank you so much, Mayor. Um, Stephanie

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Authority. The memorandum of

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understanding that we provided to the

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city really outlines the uh commitment

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that we've discussed in previous

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meetings where uh the Utah Port

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sales tax revenue within our project

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areas. Uh this memorandum of

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understanding would pass through any

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sales tax collected by the inland port

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to the city. Um we we anticipate that

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the areas within our project area are

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largely going to be um industrial. Uh

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future of future retail uh requiring the request of this memorandum of

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understanding. Um but happy to answer

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any additional questions from the city u

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regarding the pass through of sales tax.

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>> this will cover all the locations. Th

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this memorandum of understanding would

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cover all of our our project area

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boundaries within the city.

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>> Perfect. So the Broken Arrow site site,

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three of those are entailed in this.

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So, you came and visited us. Was it back

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through this in detail. Um, back then.

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specific questions for you in this

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regard. [clears throat]

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one dumb little question. Has it always

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been called the 20 wells in Lumpport?

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a development 20 wells that have nothing

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>> So my question is on here I didn't see

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anything where it says it defines a

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percentage we get or anything from any

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of the the sales taxes. So, how how

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bit different than the property tax

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rebates. Um the the sales tax that the

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inland port receives uh when we create a

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project area isn't at the a 75%

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breakdown and I actually think it's

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closer to 20%. Um, and so it will be the

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entirety of any sales tax that that the

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inland port collects within those

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boundaries, we will remit back to

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Grantsville City. Um, so I I don't think

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um it's precisely 75% like the property

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tax breakdown is um but it's closer to

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that 20% of sales tax generated within

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that project area comes to the port. So,

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we're just remitting back our portion

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that we collect back to the city.

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though, right?

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depends on the the what it is and the

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development and how it goes. So, this is

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just locking in the the sales tax and we

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want that across the board on every one

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of them. And then the individual

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locations will make different agreements

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on those property taxes. So, that's why

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we don't necessarily want to include

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them here because we don't know those

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numbers quite yet. And so each location

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like Broken Arrow will have a different

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pass through and like probably like Mr.

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Greens with a higher density of

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highdensity housing that we want to

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maybe pass through some more to the

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school district or the county than the

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industrial location on the Romney's.

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there's any retail, we want the sales

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tax pass through.

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» And this is just saying we will get the

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That would have gone to the port in this

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area. It will come to Grantsville.

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>> I mean, and ours is is highlighted. It's

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left blank, but this will say

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city council uh uh passes a resolution

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approving the memorandum of

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understanding, that'll then go to our

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board uh who will who will make a motion

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on it and then we will execute the the

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more detail back in February, but um the

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monthly reports that are issued to the

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city. Um I mean obviously you're doing

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this elsewhere. What do those entail?

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understanding of what's involved in

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those I guess the first question. And

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then the second question I had was

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um the pay those payments obviously um

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are those audited by the state as well

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in this process? Um correct. So the the

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sales tax collection that is a little

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different than property tax collection.

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monthly cadence. Uh whereas uh property

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taxes are are are collected on an annual

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cadence. And so um every month that uh

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taxes are collected, we will be turning

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back those funds back to the city. um

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you'll you'll find that you know those

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amounts will will likely be really small in the beginning. Uh they

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won't be super substantial. Um but you

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know as more retail comes into these

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project areas um as more sales tax gets

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generated even in an industrial area

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where they may have an outlet at a

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manufacturing site. Um if any sales tax

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is being generated you know we will we

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will remit that back on a monthly basis.

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And so you will get a report of what

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that remittance looked like. Um we're

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working really closely with the state

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sales tax commission. Uh the state tax

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commission um is is trying really really

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hard to um hopefully create a process

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where uh it won't have to come to us

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first. It will go directly to the city

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rather than coming to us first. We're

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not sure if we can make that happen and it's for that auditing purpose. uh

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we need to demonstrate that per this

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statute we did collect our portion of

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sales tax even though we have a

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memorandum of understanding where we

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remit that back to the city. And so um

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we're we're hopeful that we can automate

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the process so you know you don't have

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to think about it. We don't have to

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think about it. You get your monthly

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reports and and um and that revenue

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coming in like normal. Um, we just want

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to make sure that from a an accounting

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standpoint, uh, we're we're [snorts]

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doing everything according to the law.

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>> Have you ever done one of these that

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have the property tax written in with an

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article where there's some sort of

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understanding that each individual

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project or each parcel um that we'll discuss what that what that looks

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like? So, uh, you know, we I think what

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you're describing would would look like

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an interlocal agreement. I think if

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there's changes that need to be made on

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the property, uh, tax level, uh, we

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would want to look into going into an

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additional agreement uh, with the city

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and it would look more like an

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interlocal agreement rather than anou.

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Um, this is a a a common of enough

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request that we've adjusted our policies

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internally to move to anou format to

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facilitate

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uh us being able to go into these

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agreements uh a lot quicker, a lot more

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efficiently uh than having to go through

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the interlocal agreement process which

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is a little bit different legally. Um

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the the the outcome is the same. you

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know, we we remit these these taxes back

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to the city as needed. And so if there

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needs to be adjustments on the property

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t the property tax side of things, um we would just request we we engage in

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the interlocal agreement process to make

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any of those adjustments.

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>> Can we have that written in here

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>> um in in this agreement?

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>> Yeah. Um I I guess I guess are there

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>> question

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>> that that you would want to engage in an

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interlocal agreement in the future

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>> just just it's a memorandum of

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understanding so an article of of a

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property tax just like sales and use tax

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to help future

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councils and future individuals with the

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city understand

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you know what what that is and where

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those agreements come from and where that dialogue starts. That's kind

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of what I'm saying.

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>> Yeah, I think that could be perfectly

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appropriate for this document. Um, if

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your team would like to suggest some

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language that you would like to include

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in the memorandum of understanding, um,

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we we can run that through our board.

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» I'd like your thoughts on it.

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So what we're [clears throat] trying to

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accomplish is set forth in the

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memorandum of understanding that uh in

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order to further negotiate the property

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tax percentages ratios we would um enter

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into some future interlocal agreement

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and that would be part of the the

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memorandum of understanding just so that

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we've got something on paper to say that

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at some future point if we want to

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renegotiate some of these ratios then we

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are going to use the the vehicle of a

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interlocal agreement that that we're

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contemplating that going forward just so

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that future future officials and uh uh

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city staff can can review this document

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and and know that that's the avenue to

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pursue if they want to address those

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issues. Is that what we're trying to do?

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I I think it's a great idea

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>> because

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>> in for years when other people are

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sitting in these chairs then they have

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that to to reference back to and have an

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understanding as to what the procedure

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is to make those those adjustments as

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needed. Do you do you have any issue

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with that Stephanie?

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>> I don't think so. Um it's it's always on

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the table for the city to uh to approach

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the port and engage in an interlocal

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agreement um with anything pertaining to

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our project areas. Um it's it's

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something we've done in other

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communities. I think Salt Lake is a

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great example. um you know, their

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project area matured to a point where,

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you know, they they needed to to sit

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back down and and renegotiate, you know,

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what uh what those those uh obligations

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were within the project area. Um what

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was needed by the community and how we

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could utilize those project area funds

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to help support the community. And so I

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it's always been on the table for the

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city. It always will be on the table for

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the city. Um, I think enumerating that

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within the memorandum is a great idea.

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>> Perfect. Thank you.

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>> Council is okay with with with me

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drafting that language. I can uh I can

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draft it, run it by city staff, and if if uh if council is okay with us

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going forward without bringing it back,

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we can make those changes and uh just

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have that that that understanding put in

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one one additional clause within that of

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understanding.

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Tyson, do you see any issues with number

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10 and 16

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mostly about the jurisdiction being in

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Salt Lake County on number 10 and then

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17

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where it says or no sorry 16

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that UIPA is not shall be liable let's

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see in no event shall UIP be liable to

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the city for any indirect in incidental

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consequential special or exemp exemplary

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damages arising out related to this

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agreement including but not limit to

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loss revenues anticipated profits even

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if UIP has been advised of the

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possibility of such damages

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Well, that's it. So, starting with

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number 10, um Salt Lake County being the jurisdiction. I mean, that's I I I

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don't have a problem with that. We we do

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like to if if we're going to file

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something, we do typically file it with

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Tilla County, but Salt Lake County is

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still the third district. And really,

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[clears throat] the the way the third

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district works right now is they they

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kind of share cases. And so there's a chance even if the rope to

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Willow County here, it would would end

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up in Salt Lake County anyway. So I

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don't I don't have a [clears throat]

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problem with with going to Salt Lake

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County disputed.

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Um, as far as 16 goes, the that that's a

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little bit more of a a waiver that we're

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looking at here. Um,

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we're not waving direct damages. What

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we're waving is um all of the uh

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indirect incidental, consequential and

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special exemplary damages, things like

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punitive damages. Um

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so I guess to the extent that um

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we believe that there there could be

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some downwind um indirect

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um [clears throat] loss, we we would be

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waving that in this in this uhou.

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Um but there's as as far as recovery of

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direct um um

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>> damages, we would be able to to recover

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those. Um so this is the um

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the downstream impact of of some uh some

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negligence or um or a breach that that

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happens on behalf of of UEO would we

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would not be able to pursue any of those

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special types of damages that are

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consequential.

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So this is just a personal question.

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While you're standing there, could you

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give us a just a twominut? So when you

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were here in February, I was somewhat

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surprised and this is

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if this is my lack of education, I

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understand, but I was l I was really

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surprised that the Inland Port Authority

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had morphed into covering property that

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would be residential.

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>> You know, we and maybe that's just

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visual driving by what's happening, you

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know, in unused areas and industrial

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kind of that arena. and then the

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presentation where there was a heavy

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residential component.

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Is that working? [clears throat] Is it

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full steam ahead? Is that being done in

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other areas? I just want a

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>> one minute update or is it going well?

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>> So in in the

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in most of our project areas um that

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include residential, a lot of them are in rural areas. Um, the reason that

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we've engaged in the re residential side

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of things is is because our our project

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areas need it. Um, and so if there's a a

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and and we always always take the lead

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of the community and so the the

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community approaches us and says, "Hey,

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we do need industrial, but we need a

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place for the the workforce to live."

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And so that's when we started engaging

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in residential at the behest of the

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communities that we're working with. Um

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similarly with the project that we're

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doing here in Grantsville, um we we take

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the lead of the city and we respond to

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the city's needs utilizing the tools

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that the legislature has given us. Uh

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the legislative tools we've been given

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are are broad enough that they can

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include things like residential. Um it really is up to the city to determine

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what makes the most sense. Um we've had some good dialogue with the

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county on on you know what including

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residential in these project areas can

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mean. Uh that's been really beneficial

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dialogue uh since you know the the

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property tax increment that we collect

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uh it impacts the city and the county

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and the school district and you know all

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of the taxing entities that that are

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downstream. um we're sensitive to that

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and we want to make sure that we're focused on projects that have

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economic significance for your city and

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um we've we've seen it work in in other

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project areas as well. We find that the

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residential is complimentary to the job

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centers that we're creating in these

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industrial zones. Um and we hope it'll

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be the same here in Grantsville.

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>> Thank you.

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If you guys were to terminate this

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agreement, what happens to the revenue

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that's already been generated or

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expected?

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>> So, the purpose of this agreement would

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be um for us to pass through the sales

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tax revenue um that that is generated

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month over month. So, so you'll be

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receiving that money month over month.

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It won't be held for any specific amount

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of time. Um if if for whatever reason

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the city decides, hey, we actually want

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to capture the sales tax revenue for

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whatever reason, um we can use that

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revenue in the same way we use the

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property tax revenue for infrastructure

520
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upgrades for, you know,

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um whatever statutoal uses make sense

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within our project area, which is

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largely infrastructure related. um we we

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would just continue to allow that sales

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tax to flow throughout the life of the

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project. Um our our project area life

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has a statutory length of 25 years. At

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the end of 25 years, um we we dissolve

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that project. Um,

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if the project area dissolves before

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that 25-y year time horizon's up, the sales tax would would be flowing

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through like normal as well. Um, so we

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would dissolve that that sales tax

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collection as well. And so, you know, in

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the case where

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um, you know, we're collecting it, we're

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going to have to, you know, demonstrate

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that we did collect it per the statute

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um, and remit it back. Since the project

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area has been closed, we we no longer

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have to demonstrate that we're

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collecting that. So, it'll just go back

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to the city. Um, so I I did that answer

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your question

545
00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:57,039
>> in a roundabout way. [laughter]

546
00:25:57,039 --> 00:26:01,350
Um I I I

547
00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:04,000
in a f if a future council decides to

548
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,840
dissolve uh this this memorandum

549
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,080
um you know we would we would collect

550
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,600
that that sales tax and we would use it

551
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,480
the way we use the property tax

552
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,480
increment that we're collecting and we

553
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,200
would put it towards the statutory

554
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,279
earmarked uses of that of those funds

555
00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:27,083
and and we wouldn't be able or take it

556
00:26:27,083 --> 00:26:28,320
[snorts] away from Grantsville. We

557
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:29,520
wouldn't be able to use it for anything

558
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,240
other than what's uh statutoily

559
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,080
required.

560
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:40,789
>> Thank you.

561
00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:43,520
Mayor, I make a motion that we approve

562
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,840
resolution 2026-26

563
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,760
approving the memorandum of

564
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,279
understanding with the Inland Port

565
00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:53,279
Authority with the addition of an

566
00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:55,679
article or clause

567
00:26:55,679 --> 00:26:59,120
um directly after the sales tax

568
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:02,320
which is uh article three sales and use

569
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,108
tax

570
00:27:03,108 --> 00:27:03,279
>> [clears throat]

571
00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:06,320
>> um with a a heading of property tax and

572
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,039
having attorney Barker uh draft that up

573
00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:12,400
and and approve that with staff and then

574
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,919
and send that on to u the the Utah

575
00:27:15,919 --> 00:27:17,600
Inland Port Authority.

576
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,159
>> Okay, we have a motion by Council Member

577
00:27:20,159 --> 00:27:22,320
Butler. Is there a second?

578
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:22,960
>> Second.

579
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,960
>> And a second by Council Member Williams.

580
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,760
All in favor?

581
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:28,240
>> Thank you.

582
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,279
>> Okay, thanks Stephanie.

583
00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:33,919
Item number six is a public hearing

584
00:27:33,919 --> 00:27:36,880
item. Um it's a discussion and

585
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,799
consideration of adopting resolution

586
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:40,480
2026-22

587
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,480
approving the expenditure of class C

588
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,919
road funds for road department

589
00:27:43,919 --> 00:27:46,400
equipment. So we're going to have the

590
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,720
presentation by our roads department

591
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,960
first and then if there um are any

592
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,399
anybody that would like to make a

593
00:27:54,399 --> 00:27:56,559
comment is able to do that following the

594
00:27:56,559 --> 00:28:00,399
presentation. So, we'll turn that um to

595
00:28:00,399 --> 00:28:03,360
Ben now, our roads

596
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:06,399
department supervisor.

597
00:28:06,399 --> 00:28:08,880
>> Good evening, Mayor and Council. I am

598
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,799
Ben Henderson, the road department

599
00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:13,440
supervisor for Grantsville. Um been here

600
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,120
since first part of January, end of

601
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:17,679
December. I appreciate the opportunity.

602
00:28:17,679 --> 00:28:19,200
Um

603
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,600
I come with a pretty strong background

604
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,520
of asphalt maintenance and preservation.

605
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,120
uh starting with my time at uh Bernal

606
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:32,559
City as just a regular road hand and

607
00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:34,720
then moving on to South Salt Lake for

608
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,960
several years, growing to a supervisor

609
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,600
at that position and then moving on to

610
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,600
Kemer, Wyoming for several years as

611
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,360
public works director, running the

612
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,240
airport and many other assets uh besides

613
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,360
roads, parks, doing uh all those

614
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,360
maintenance duties there. small crew

615
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,039
similar to here uh with 70 road miles

616
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:58,080
very similar to here as well. Um and

617
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,520
then moving on to Duchen County where I

618
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,520
spent eight years uh growing my

619
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,799
extending my expertise and learning a

620
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:10,720
lot of the traits that I have today with

621
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,320
asphalt maintenance and doing uh

622
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,520
reclamation projects with zippers. And

623
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,399
uh I call I I love to call it zip and

624
00:29:20,399 --> 00:29:22,640
chip. So we we zip a road, we come back

625
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,799
in and we can either chip it or pave it.

626
00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:27,440
There's just lots of different um

627
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,000
applications that we can use in that. In

628
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,720
this presentation, there will be several

629
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,960
photos that we can if you have questions

630
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,679
during this process, feel free. We can

631
00:29:37,679 --> 00:29:40,240
do it either buy piece of equipment that

632
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,720
I'm asking for at the end, ask me any

633
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,159
questions or we can wait till we get

634
00:29:44,159 --> 00:29:46,159
down to the bottom line and then go from

635
00:29:46,159 --> 00:29:48,960
there however you feel. So we can start

636
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:57,669
going through the slides.

637
00:29:57,679 --> 00:30:00,615
Okay, we go back to

638
00:30:00,615 --> 00:30:02,080
[snorts] that. that one is this this is

639
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,840
just our strategic equipment investment

640
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,200
to maintain Grantsville's roads to

641
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,360
reduce long-term repairs and cost which

642
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,279
we are behind the curve on quite a ways

643
00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:11,600
in in the city. Um but we're going to

644
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,679
get ahead of it pretty quickly. That's

645
00:30:13,679 --> 00:30:16,720
my goal. So um you can move to the next

646
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,399
slide please. Then this is for a

647
00:30:18,399 --> 00:30:21,200
crackill machine which we just rented to

648
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,440
get the ball rolling until we could get

649
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,559
this equipment bought. We did complete

650
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:30,640
about 93% or 95% of Anderson Ranches at

651
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,000
this point by renting a piece of

652
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,799
equipment. Um, we did not get a couple

653
00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:36,640
of those roads on the 26 list for

654
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,080
crackill. That'll bring our PSI up

655
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,799
dramatically once we drive that with our

656
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:47,520
analytic system. And uh, so we just made

657
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,760
a big jump on it. The thing that I did

658
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,679
notice and our crews did notice that the

659
00:30:51,679 --> 00:30:54,320
cracks because I'm not sure how old

660
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,159
Anderson Ranches is, but it's got to be

661
00:30:56,159 --> 00:30:58,880
plus 10 years, right? Um, some of those

662
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,960
cracks sucked up that oil pretty good.

663
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,600
So, that tells me there's voids already

664
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,480
being created through the through water

665
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,679
and so we've caught that, but we may be

666
00:31:09,679 --> 00:31:11,039
a little bit late. They may start

667
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:16,080
sinking at some point, but we're we're at least doing something. So, and

668
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,679
I and I would fear that any road within

669
00:31:19,679 --> 00:31:22,399
the city at this point, we just need to

670
00:31:22,399 --> 00:31:24,080
jump on and get ahead. So, the 5-year

671
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,960
pro program would be to do about

672
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,200
approximately

673
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,640
15 tons, which covers approximately 25

674
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,880
miles. It depends on the road, uh, how

675
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,720
many cracks, what's there, how much

676
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,200
sinking we're we're getting in those

677
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,320
roads. So currently we started out with

678
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,320
16 tons and we ended up we had to give

679
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,720
the machine back because they sold it.

680
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,200
Uh we we have 3 and 12 tons left in the

681
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,360
yard that we can put in the fall when

682
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,960
things start cooling down. Crack seal

683
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,559
needs to kind of go down in cooler

684
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:57,440
temperatures. It's it's much better

685
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,000
because the cracks are at their widest

686
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,137
at that point.

687
00:32:01,137 --> 00:32:01,519
>> [snorts]

688
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:05,120
>> So, um, if you have any questions on the

689
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,960
return of investment, uh, we can go or

690
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,279
any questions on this slide. Basically,

691
00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:12,880
for every dollar invested in a crack

692
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,399
sealing project saves you about $48 in

693
00:32:16,399 --> 00:32:20,159
future road maintenance. Um, and I kind

694
00:32:20,159 --> 00:32:22,080
of ran off numbers of adding five miles

695
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,720
per year. We currently have 95 miles in

696
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,399
the in the city and uh, we'll be ending

697
00:32:28,399 --> 00:32:32,159
up at five years. That's assumptive. So

698
00:32:32,159 --> 00:32:36,080
115 miles over the five years,

699
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,360
which we'd have depending on that year,

700
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,240
we would have somewhere between 35 and

701
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,640
$40,000 in annual budget. And we can go

702
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,960
to the next slide. It'll show the um

703
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,480
so

704
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,960
we bought crack seal this year under

705
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,600
contract, state contract for $1,100 a

706
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:02,080
ton. So based on numbers and throughout

707
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,960
Utah is 12-,800 per ton for us to do our

708
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,080
own material. If you contract that out,

709
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,320
which we had even bids much higher than

710
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,640
6,500. I had one contractor bid the

711
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,720
parking lot at public works was in

712
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,960
excess of 13,000. So for one ton or

713
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,159
three ton, excuse me. So um it could go

714
00:33:22,159 --> 00:33:25,600
higher than the $65 $6,500

715
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,559
per ton. So that saves us annually

716
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:32,080
between 90 and you know or between 42 to

717
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,559
58,000 in annual. So we pay that machine

718
00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:36,720
back somewhere between two and one and a

719
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:42,480
half to two years $85,000 investment

720
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,720
and posing the you know the question is

721
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,039
to lease it or rent it. It it just runs

722
00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:49,279
into the same problem. We only have two

723
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:50,799
companies in the state of Utah that

724
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:53,440
really rent their equipment and you're

725
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,120
stacking with everybody else that needs

726
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,360
it. UD do is probably one of the largest

727
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,799
renters in the state. So they get kind

728
00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:02,399
of first precedence. If we don't jump on

729
00:34:02,399 --> 00:34:04,480
it early and get it, we may not get a

730
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:05,919
machine during the period that we need

731
00:34:05,919 --> 00:34:08,800
it. So it's this way we can attack other

732
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,679
things besides just crack sealing. We

733
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:13,679
can go out and deal with our water cuts

734
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:15,200
which have kind of been neglected over

735
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,320
the years. Not purposely, but it's

736
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,320
there's just no way to they've kind of

737
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,079
used tac in the past. It doesn't work

738
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:25,679
very well, but it does work. Um but uh

739
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:29,040
we can deal with other things at our at

740
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,079
our leisure when we need to. Um when we

741
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:34,240
have slow times, we keep the crews busy

742
00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:37,280
doing other things.

743
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,200
So that's the crack seal investment.

744
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,480
We can move on to the mask. So this is a

745
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,639
picture of unfortunately our videos. We

746
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:48,560
ran into some technical issues. I had

747
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,240
quite a few videos on here. This was a

748
00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:53,040
drone flight of saddle when we first got

749
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,960
started. It'll show you going down

750
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,599
around saddle, but uh we didn't it it's

751
00:34:57,599 --> 00:34:59,359
not going to play. So, if if you want

752
00:34:59,359 --> 00:35:01,119
these videos, I'm more than happy to try

753
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:02,560
to send them to you. They just didn't

754
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:07,440
download very well. Um there's a lot of file there. So, but this was a

755
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,760
drone flight of saddle

756
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,440
as our crews were doing it.

757
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,880
Mastic has grown is growing in in uh

758
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,200
popularity over the last seven to eight

759
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,440
years really. It's been around for more

760
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,119
than that, but popularity wise, it's

761
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:25,599
really starting to take a grip. Um it's

762
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:28,160
great for uh deficiencies in the road

763
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,720
like potholes or starting of potholes.

764
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:32,720
Um, when you have your meat lines for

765
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:35,119
your asphalt, your cold joints, you can

766
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:37,680
get in there and crack seal or you can

767
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,119
mastic those and it acts as a much

768
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:42,880
better sealer than crack seal in a lot

769
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,640
of places. When you get a real wide gap,

770
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,760
it fills that gap very well. Uh, it's

771
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,599
chippable, so you can chip over it. You

772
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:51,760
can m you can do your slurry seals, your

773
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,520
microsurfaces,

774
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,520
pave over it. It's very it it it h works

775
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,000
really well in that condition.

776
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,480
So to contract that work, it's usually

777
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,560
$6 a foot per foot, 120,000 a year based

778
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,160
on my numbers of using 50 ton a year. Uh

779
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,000
the annual savings if we buy this

780
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,240
machine and do it oursself is somewhere

781
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:16,560
between 40 and 80,000 a year. And the

782
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,960
payback would be about 1.2 years based

783
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,440
on that 50. 50 is an assumptive number,

784
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,400
but that would be my goal to get us

785
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,680
ahead. We have a lot of areas that we

786
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,599
can do that. We can smooth out rides. We

787
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:31,760
can do we can stack it. So when you have

788
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,880
a indent in the road, you can put a thin

789
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,480
layer over it, come back and another

790
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,480
thin layer and it'll help you with your

791
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:43,430
rideability.

792
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,280
There's some pictures of the mastic

793
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,680
going down in different generally you do

794
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,680
uh drag boxes. They have one foot, two

795
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,320
foot, four foot boxes depending on the

796
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,720
deficiency.

797
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:59,200
You can also hand iron it. So this is uh

798
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:00,800
a truck that I found when I was at

799
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,760
Duchen County. Uh the seme truck I

800
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,760
believe was born for the for this

801
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,160
environment small city. I used it in the

802
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,359
county of 4,500 miles with about 600

803
00:37:11,359 --> 00:37:13,839
miles of paving with our efforts of

804
00:37:13,839 --> 00:37:17,599
chipsill zip and chips. Unfortunately I

805
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:19,520
had a video that showed the truck in use

806
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,920
in Duchain but I don't have that didn't

807
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,480
download as well. So it'll it'll handle

808
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,240
chip sealing, gives ability to seal

809
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:29,599
coat, fog, uh some other applications of

810
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:33,040
oil, um scrub sealing, you can drag a

811
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:34,800
broom behind it and come back behind

812
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,200
that at a later date and chip over it

813
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,119
and make a better road. And then

814
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:41,119
multi-surface applications, just

815
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:43,119
different oils. Uh there's a lot of

816
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:44,400
different companies out there that offer

817
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,760
us a lot of gamut on different oils that

818
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,359
we can use that will uh rejuvenate the

819
00:37:51,359 --> 00:37:53,040
asphalt, bring it back to life and give

820
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,839
us the ability to cover it up when it's

821
00:37:55,839 --> 00:37:58,240
it the sun just beats on it. Vehicles,

822
00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:01,359
it'll help us with that

823
00:38:01,359 --> 00:38:04,000
single operator. Um

824
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,119
>> that's kind of a huge thing.

825
00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:07,040
>> That's a big thing. There's one guy

826
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,320
running the truck. It's still an

827
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,880
operation, but it's one guy running the

828
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,079
truck. All one button push operation.

829
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:17,359
You can It widens out 15 ft. It drops

830
00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:19,599
the oil one foot in front of the chip.

831
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:22,240
So you you can release traffic a lot

832
00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:24,240
faster than trying to pull a train, the

833
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:26,000
chip seal. I don't know if anybody's

834
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,000
familiar with seeing chip seal

835
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,880
operations. Usually there's 20 trucks, a

836
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,960
big chip seals, you know, piece of

837
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,839
equipment and oil trucks. It requires a

838
00:38:35,839 --> 00:38:37,920
big crew. This cuts your crew in half.

839
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,480
You can really get it down to a roller

840
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,200
operator, the truck operator, and then

841
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,680
an operator to load the truck with

842
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,240
chips. And then you have your flaggers

843
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:49,520
basically, and you can cut traffic back

844
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,119
on it fairly quick depending on the oil

845
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:52,880
you choose.

846
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,400
Within

847
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,240
maximum a couple of hours, you can have

848
00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:58,880
traffic on that oil.

849
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,839
So,

850
00:39:01,839 --> 00:39:03,839
yeah, that was the video. So, we can it

851
00:39:03,839 --> 00:39:06,400
didn't download. So, unfortunately, That

852
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,200
truck is uh I did talk to the sales rep

853
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,920
again. Uh I originated that conversation

854
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,920
with him to get the numbers that I did

855
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,160
for this presentation. I spoke with him

856
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,160
today. They have one that's just

857
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,560
stepping out of manufacturing in South Carolina. He thought it was

858
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,119
ready to ship. So we have that truck

859
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:28,720
being available at our if we choose to

860
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:32,320
adopt it. uh pneumatic wheel rollers.

861
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,560
They they call it a loader in this, but

862
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,119
it's actually it's a pneumatic roller.

863
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:39,760
You use it for chip roll your chip over.

864
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,680
Lays the rock down into the oil for full

865
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,400
emulsion into the oil. And then you can

866
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,640
also use it for your for road widening

867
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,720
projects and other projects that we need

868
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:50,800
to do within the city, zip and chip

869
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,280
projects. Lay that. It it acts just like

870
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,599
a steel drum roller in some cases. It

871
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:58,800
will give you a strong compaction. So,

872
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,560
it's just kind of an allin-one machine

873
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,160
versus doing steel drum. You can't

874
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,079
really roll chip with a steel drum.

875
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:06,240
People do it, but it crushes the rock.

876
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:08,640
And we're going to be using, my idea was

877
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,040
use much smaller rock than I've used in

878
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,000
the past. Duchang County, Lee County.

879
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,280
Um, you were using anywhere from 3/4 to

880
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,240
58 rock because of the semi and oil

881
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:22,800
fields that I'm used to working in. So

882
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,119
they use a much bigger rock and that we

883
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:27,119
use more I'm looking at more like a 38

884
00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:29,520
or smaller if I can get it. So that's

885
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,040
better for environment in the

886
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,320
neighborhoods. People don't like chip

887
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,320
seals in neighborhoods. I will not chip

888
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,800
seal a culde-sac. It's just not a good

889
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,560
idea with all the turning and the

890
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,480
ripping of it. But you can do everything

891
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,320
else pretty much all your straight runs

892
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,320
and get that and then you can fog it

893
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,240
with a a a good oil to fog it. Lock

894
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:50,079
those rocks in and you don't get near

895
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:52,480
the rough ride. you don't get all the

896
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,320
skateboard problems, kids on their

897
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,040
boards complaining about it. Uh, as well

898
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,599
as then you can come back over and do a

899
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:01,359
uh scrub seal. There's a lot of

900
00:41:01,359 --> 00:41:06,470
different things we can do with that.

901
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,560
Your return on investment on that is

902
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,950
about two to three years typically.

903
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,280
And I had a video here too for the Timco

904
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,359
500. It's the strongest sweeper. It's

905
00:41:17,359 --> 00:41:19,119
what all the contractors are gone to for

906
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:21,168
chip sills currently. the big

907
00:41:21,168 --> 00:41:22,560
[clears throat] granite construction and

908
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,560
most everybody is using this particular

909
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,960
sweeper because of its power to pick up.

910
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,440
That video actually shows them dumping

911
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,359
that road base on the road and showing

912
00:41:31,359 --> 00:41:34,560
it picking it up completely. Um over

913
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:35,920
time you've got to do maintenance on

914
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,319
sweepers, but it versus a sweeper we

915
00:41:38,319 --> 00:41:41,040
have that's the box is rusted. It

916
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,359
doesn't have any vacuum. It can't keep a

917
00:41:43,359 --> 00:41:45,040
vacuum. We just don't we don't even use

918
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,480
it. So, um, that is an all-in-one

919
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,079
machine. What will give us ability to

920
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:51,839
sweep the streets as well as sweep after

921
00:41:51,839 --> 00:41:53,920
our chip sills. The good thing about the

922
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,839
Seekmier truck is it's very efficient.

923
00:41:55,839 --> 00:41:57,520
So, we don't end up with that big pile

924
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:58,880
of rocks on the road that you have to

925
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,319
sweep off. It's it's tight. It runs a

926
00:42:02,319 --> 00:42:05,119
very tight rock and oil. You have very

927
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:08,160
little waste with that truck. So, we I

928
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,839
feel like we wouldn't have near the rock

929
00:42:09,839 --> 00:42:11,359
to pick up that you would in a regular

930
00:42:11,359 --> 00:42:13,760
chip sill.

931
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,040
On that one, you're looking at about

932
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,640
three year three to five years. Most

933
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,160
likely in the end of the when you're

934
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,680
paying that much money for that piece of

935
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,240
equipment, it it's going to be on that

936
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:27,750
four to five year range.

937
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,680
Asphalt zipper. Um I'm I'm a big

938
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:32,960
proponent for the use of those.

939
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,520
Unfortunately, we had one and uh just

940
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,480
needed other things and uh but we're

941
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,560
going to I'd like to present getting it

942
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,240
back. Uh there's a lot of things that we

943
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:44,880
can do like South Street needs to be re

944
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,560
rehabilitated. There's a lot of things

945
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,359
you can do with rotoill um and just

946
00:42:49,359 --> 00:42:51,440
taking up old roads. Uh there's several

947
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,119
roads that I would, you know, recommend

948
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:55,599
that we go back. You try not to use it

949
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:58,319
in high utility areas, but we can

950
00:42:58,319 --> 00:43:00,240
maneuver around those utilities or you

951
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:02,720
just go up to them and then you you may

952
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:05,359
end up tearing out some asphalt to get

953
00:43:05,359 --> 00:43:07,200
to that. But you just put rotomill back

954
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,000
in. So, uh, if you're going to do a zip

955
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,359
and ship, that's one thing or a repave.

956
00:43:13,359 --> 00:43:16,319
So, they call that, uh,

957
00:43:16,319 --> 00:43:18,800
reclamation,

958
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,760
but, uh, in place reclamation. So,

959
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,760
purchase price for the new updated

960
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,240
version of the of the asphalt zipper

961
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:28,800
comes with a water tank. It has It used

962
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,200
to have a very cumbersome box that you'd

963
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,920
have to mount to get to so you could

964
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,200
either zip without the box or the box,

965
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,200
but they've integrated that now to where

966
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,800
the box is integrated in the system.

967
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,480
It's not something that comes off. It's

968
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,960
just part of the system. So, it's it's a

969
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,720
much better machine than it was before.

970
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:48,400
They the good thing about asphalt

971
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,640
zippers, they they do spend a lot of

972
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,119
money on bringing out the latest piece

973
00:43:53,119 --> 00:43:56,240
of equipment. So,

974
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:58,240
we could do, you know, my two two and a

975
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:00,800
half miles is assumptive, but just based

976
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,400
on what we have out there and what I'm

977
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,560
seeing and we have roads that need to be

978
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,359
treated. Um, even dirt roads we can do

979
00:44:07,359 --> 00:44:09,680
and a really good treatment with that as

980
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,599
well. So, payback period on that piece

981
00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:13,599
of machine is between two and three

982
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:18,079
years based on what we can do.

983
00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:19,599
So, these are pictures. The upper

984
00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:22,480
pictures are is a road that went to our

985
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,240
gravel pit in Lee County that I did just

986
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:27,040
before I left there. Um, one of many

987
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,520
roads that we did and I've got over 100

988
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,359
miles that I did in Duchain similar to

989
00:44:31,359 --> 00:44:33,200
this. You'll see the rock is bigger

990
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,200
because I mentioned that that's half to

991
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,400
58 rock. Um, but that is a road that's

992
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,480
the before and that's the after. So

993
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,240
that's that's what you end up with a

994
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:44,880
double chip. Uh, makes for a very good

995
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:50,960
road. And then you seal over that with a a seal coat

996
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,200
to blacken it up. The lower pictures are

997
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,760
from a friend of mine up in Boise. She

998
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,680
uh is the public works director up

999
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,040
there. That is a curb and gutter

1000
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,920
scenario with chipsill and fogging. So

1001
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,640
that's what it would look like with fog

1002
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,880
oil over the top of the small chip. And

1003
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,920
they use a 38 chip there down to a 5/8

1004
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:14,400
or down to a 316. So,

1005
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,079
the key to it is get it fogged and get

1006
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:18,319
it covered up.

1007
00:45:18,319 --> 00:45:20,079
Okay.

1008
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:23,359
Uh, water tanker. Um, many reasons why

1009
00:45:23,359 --> 00:45:25,440
many uses for that, many reasons why

1010
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,599
it's good to water your chips down

1011
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:29,440
before you load them in the truck. So,

1012
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,520
that gives us the ability to wet those

1013
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:32,960
chips down a couple of days before we

1014
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,119
start our project because the oil loves

1015
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:37,760
water in rock. So, if you have some

1016
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,119
those soaked up a little bit, you don't

1017
00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:40,880
want them drenched, but you want some

1018
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,880
moisture in there. Gives us the ability

1019
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,480
to to uh wet down our dirt roads when we

1020
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,440
need to grade them as well as keep dust

1021
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,680
suppression down and many other uses. We

1022
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,200
have, you know, we have a bunch of

1023
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:54,800
rotomill that I just spent time

1024
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,359
screening with uh that needed screened

1025
00:45:57,359 --> 00:45:59,040
out in our pit that was just kind of

1026
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,119
sitting there with big chunks. So we got

1027
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:02,800
a screen and went through that and ended

1028
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,400
up with quite a bit of that road to mill

1029
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,200
and I my future would be to hope get

1030
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,040
with you do and get as much of that

1031
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,640
that's available to us in the future

1032
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,280
because it it really is a good tool for

1033
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,200
building roads. You got to do it right

1034
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,400
and water's the biggest key. You'll see

1035
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,280
that as I I just built a ADA ramp out

1036
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,200
here at the rodeo grounds with road to

1037
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,599
mill and water. So you take a look at

1038
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:28,160
that.

1039
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,560
So,

1040
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,839
um, but so talking with Michael and

1041
00:46:33,839 --> 00:46:35,280
working things out with what we want to

1042
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,119
do in the future with roads and widening

1043
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:39,359
roads and road projects, we went through

1044
00:46:39,359 --> 00:46:41,119
the scenario of getting a greater or

1045
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:43,520
dealing with and I and dealing with a

1046
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,800
sales rep and doing my due diligence

1047
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,079
that the 275 CAT and the and the smart

1048
00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:54,880
blade with the ability to hook up GPS is

1049
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,280
a really good version for us. cost

1050
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,200
effective wise if you're looking at over

1051
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:00,720
a half a million dollar investment for a

1052
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:03,280
greater can take that GPS system and

1053
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,839
work with it or this piece of equipment

1054
00:47:05,839 --> 00:47:11,359
is $120 $130,000 GPS so um that gives

1055
00:47:11,359 --> 00:47:13,760
you the ability to you know do your do

1056
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,920
your grading your 2% even without the

1057
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,319
GPS that the smart blade comes with the

1058
00:47:18,319 --> 00:47:20,640
ability it hooks up it integrates with

1059
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,599
the machine it tells you your 2% your 1%

1060
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:26,480
your crimes your your digs it levels

1061
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,319
out. It's It's a very good system that

1062
00:47:28,319 --> 00:47:31,680
CAT has CAT's got the best piece of

1063
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,359
equipment when it comes to that. So,

1064
00:47:33,359 --> 00:47:35,760
this will give us the ability to do road

1065
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,640
widening projects and other projects

1066
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,280
within the city and save a bunch of

1067
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,200
money in contractor abilities or

1068
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:47,280
contractors, you know. So, pay back on

1069
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,880
that piece of equipment is about 2.2

1070
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,480
years.

1071
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,960
So, two and a half years based on what

1072
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,800
we can save.

1073
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,640
And I'm looking at, you know, poss,

1074
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,839
we're looking at the ability to hire a

1075
00:48:01,839 --> 00:48:04,400
uh supervisor and somebody that has the

1076
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,839
ability to work with GPS in the future.

1077
00:48:07,839 --> 00:48:10,880
I can tell you my crews and probably

1078
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,640
some of the best crews I've ever had,

1079
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,040
too. So, they're they're very apt to

1080
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:19,670
pick that up as well. So,

1081
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:20,960
» how many individuals do you have on your

1082
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,400
crew right now?

1083
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:22,800
>> Three.

1084
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,760
or four, excuse me. And then yeah,

1085
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,760
and we're lacking the one supervisor, so

1086
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:34,069
it'll be six with me.

1087
00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:36,000
I'm doing pretty good. I must say the

1088
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,000
guys with the number of people we have,

1089
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,440
we're doing pretty good. We bounce

1090
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,720
around a lot. That was a video of the

1091
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:45,119
blade with the w those wings open and

1092
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:46,880
closed so you can close the product and

1093
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:51,829
carry it. Gives you a lot of abilities.

1094
00:48:51,839 --> 00:48:54,400
Um, late into this I found out we were

1095
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,000
probably giving our old truck, our old

1096
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,920
dump truck to the sewer department with

1097
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,240
their with their need with the new sewer

1098
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:02,960
plant. So, I put together the pricing

1099
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,480
for Freight Liner came in with the

1100
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,280
lowest bid for the cabin chassis. What

1101
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,599
we're what I'm recommending is we take

1102
00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:11,599
the old stainless steel bed off the old

1103
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:14,319
truck, retrofit it to the new truck, and

1104
00:49:14,319 --> 00:49:16,800
then we'll get all new plow mechanisms

1105
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,960
uh operational because it it doesn't old

1106
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,720
stuff doesn't integrate well with new

1107
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:22,960
trucks. So, it's just best we spend the

1108
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,040
extra money to get new plow controls,

1109
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,400
put a new plow plate that adapts to the

1110
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,319
current plow and sander that we have.

1111
00:49:30,319 --> 00:49:33,040
So, uh with that savings, you're saving

1112
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,400
between 80 and 150,000 by not buying a

1113
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,920
truck with all a new bed, new plow

1114
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:45,270
retrofit. So,

1115
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,599
and then we are in need of some pickups

1116
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:49,599
in the we have a couple real old trucks

1117
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:51,680
in the road department that are two

1118
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,040
wheel drive. One's a two wheel drive

1119
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,520
that's got a it's pretty old and then

1120
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,920
the other one is it's well on its way as

1121
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,079
well. So, I'm recommending we move to

1122
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:03,359
3500 crew cabs so we can put fuel cells

1123
00:50:03,359 --> 00:50:04,960
in the back of them and give us the

1124
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,839
ability to fuel in the field versus

1125
00:50:07,839 --> 00:50:10,400
coming back every day and refueling it.

1126
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,720
at the UD do shed. Uh it just gives us

1127
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:15,119
more mobility to do that. So that's why

1128
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:17,839
I recommend going to the 3500s. I've

1129
00:50:17,839 --> 00:50:19,680
started getting bids. Uh some of the

1130
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,680
first bids came back from I have a

1131
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,559
really extensive contact list with

1132
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:26,880
dealerships that I've worked through my

1133
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,240
times in municipalities as well as uh in

1134
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:32,079
my earlier life. My dad had a tire shop

1135
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:33,920
in Salt Lake for 40 years and I was

1136
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,880
outside sales for that for a long time

1137
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,359
and I dealt with every car dealer in the

1138
00:50:39,359 --> 00:50:41,119
state of Utah. So I have a very

1139
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:43,200
extensive list of people that give me

1140
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,400
good prices. So initially the prices I

1141
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,240
set high but Dodge came in with under 50

1142
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:53,920
for that truck for a gas truck. So, um,

1143
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,440
to and then we we're looking at doing a

1144
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,599
work box on one of them and that would

1145
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:02,400
boost that by about 13,000

1146
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,440
depending on the box we choose.

1147
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,599
So,

1148
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:11,280
and then the equipment king trailer to

1149
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:12,880
pull behind our dump trucks, our

1150
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,880
bobtails. That will give us the ability

1151
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,359
to haul back hose. Uh, the track the

1152
00:51:17,359 --> 00:51:19,440
min's double. With that trailer, we

1153
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,280
could haul two mini X's to one location

1154
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,680
if we needed to or stack them and move

1155
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,000
them around for different divisions

1156
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,040
quicker. And our, you know, some of our

1157
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:30,480
trailers that we have currently are a

1158
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,480
little underutilized size-wise and

1159
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,400
they're just they're not really the best

1160
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,319
trailer for what we're using it for. So,

1161
00:51:36,319 --> 00:51:39,280
it gives us a much broader ability to

1162
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,800
haul a lot more equipment

1163
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,559
instead of road it. you know, we're

1164
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:47,200
roing our back hose and it it it gets

1165
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,599
expensive to to start roing equipment

1166
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:51,200
around the city as we grow. It's just

1167
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,160
probably a better way to go.

1168
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,040
And then my sign guy sometimes he's a

1169
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,599
lone wolf and this is a towbehind unit.

1170
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:01,920
It we did rent one from Home Depot has

1171
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,920
those and we rented one for just to make

1172
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,520
sure that it vested out and it it worked

1173
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,160
wonderfully. It doesn't do great or no

1174
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,640
augur really does great in rocky soil,

1175
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,800
but it gives him the ability to it's a

1176
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,160
lot less maintenance or uh labor on him

1177
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:22,079
to dig a hole for a sign. So, we would

1178
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:24,559
make that the sign for signs and other

1179
00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:27,200
stuff that we do.

1180
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,720
So, and then this is the cost of all the

1181
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:34,079
equipment together piece by piece and my

1182
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:36,960
notes or certain things. So if you guys

1183
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,040
have any questions based on that, I

1184
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:56,790
stand for questions.

1185
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,440
» You want to do the public hearing before

1186
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:00,079
questions?

1187
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:02,026
>> That's kind of what I was thinking, too.

1188
00:53:02,026 --> 00:53:02,480
[clears throat]

1189
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,480
>> Let's uh let's hear if anyone's here to

1190
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,400
make any public comment. All right.

1191
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:07,839
>> And then we can

1192
00:53:07,839 --> 00:53:09,359
>> then we'll bring you back up if that's

1193
00:53:09,359 --> 00:53:09,760
all right.

1194
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,040
>> That's perfect. Okay.

1195
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,119
>> And or Christie

1196
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:15,680
>> and perhaps Aspen too with financial

1197
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,280
side. [clears throat]

1198
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:18,720
>> Was there anybody who would like to make

1199
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:21,520
a a public comment on this this item

1200
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:27,270
after hearing the presentation?

1201
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:37,750
Anybody online?

1202
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,079
All right.

1203
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:41,839
Does anybody have any questions at this

1204
00:53:41,839 --> 00:53:43,680
point? Would you like me to bring Ben

1205
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,760
back up?

1206
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,760
If we can have Aspen kind of walk

1207
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,680
through the finances,

1208
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,040
I think is where you're gonna go with

1209
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:52,480
that. Let's just go right [laughter]

1210
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,160
there. We were reviewing the budget and

1211
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:55,680
the mayor

1212
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,000
>> wants to utilize the the weather. So, we

1213
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,440
wanted to put this on the budget right

1214
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,520
now instead of waiting for the the new

1215
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,359
budget year to try and get ahead on this

1216
00:54:03,359 --> 00:54:07,280
and start repairing our roads.

1217
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:08,880
>> What questions do you have?

1218
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,559
>> Kind of walk you through how where the

1219
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:13,680
money is currently and how much is

1220
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:14,559
there.

1221
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:16,160
>> Okay. So, every month I send you guys a

1222
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,480
copy of our financials. Um, this is

1223
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,800
indicated on page two of those

1224
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,280
financials. About the eighth line down,

1225
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,520
it is account 10165.

1226
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,839
This is our class C road PTIFF. It's the

1227
00:54:27,839 --> 00:54:29,839
PTIF 1425.

1228
00:54:29,839 --> 00:54:32,800
Um, that's where our class C road money

1229
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:37,040
sits. And so, as of March 31st, 2026,

1230
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:41,670
there's $4,796,8501

1231
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:46,160
in that account. Um, so sufficient to

1232
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,880
cover the $3 million price tag on these

1233
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,960
things. Um, class C road funds are

1234
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,880
basically distributed from the state

1235
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,640
based on fuel tax. Um, it's distributed

1236
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,440
based on population and miles of road.

1237
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,559
Um, so every city, county gets different

1238
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:09,599
amounts based on those two factors. Um

1239
00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:11,839
it's

1240
00:55:11,839 --> 00:55:13,359
really

1241
00:55:13,359 --> 00:55:14,880
so that's where the money comes from I

1242
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,079
guess. So uh if you have questions there

1243
00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:21,119
um but it is restrict before you go on

1244
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:24,559
to that would you just maybe make it

1245
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:26,400
just so that everybody in the public and

1246
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,319
even the council as well understands

1247
00:55:28,319 --> 00:55:29,680
it's not like you can just take the

1248
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,680
class C road money and say oh well we're

1249
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,680
going to stick it into the sewer because

1250
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,079
we need a new sewer treatment. Just make

1251
00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:38,880
an explan explain that segueing.

1252
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:39,280
Perfect. [laughter]

1253
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:40,240
>> Okay, perfect.

1254
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:42,559
>> So, it is very restricted on how we use

1255
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:44,720
this money. It is a restricted fund.

1256
00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:48,079
It's give it um it's distributed by the

1257
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:53,119
state and we it's state code R 926 if

1258
00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:54,640
you guys want to look it up, but that's

1259
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,720
where they specified how we can use the

1260
00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:58,319
class B, which would be the county, and

1261
00:55:58,319 --> 00:56:00,720
the class C, which is our road funds.

1262
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:03,200
And it has to be for roads within our

1263
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:04,880
community. That's why we get it is to

1264
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,160
help us afford to maintain the roads

1265
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:12,000
that we have here within. Um so one

1266
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,920
qualifying is to purchase equipment and

1267
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,720
machinery to construct and maintain our

1268
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:19,599
roads. Um so all of these would qualify

1269
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:23,200
within that. It is specified that it's

1270
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,400
for road equipment. We can't just say oh

1271
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,440
this dozer's a road dozer and then you

1272
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,440
know someone else is always using it. it

1273
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,520
has to be specifically

1274
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,400
for roads like road maintenance. Um I

1275
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,960
think Ben did a good job to explain why

1276
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,200
all of that equipment was necessary for

1277
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:45,839
his department in roads. Um

1278
00:56:45,839 --> 00:56:48,319
the one thing with that with it being

1279
00:56:48,319 --> 00:56:50,160
the restricted fund is we report every

1280
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,359
year in our audit that we have those

1281
00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:55,200
funds and they're restricted or we

1282
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,440
report that we've used those funds for

1283
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,400
qualifying events. And so we can't even

1284
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,839
really truly borrow from the road fund

1285
00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:06,400
solely because at that year end you have

1286
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,240
to show that you still have that same

1287
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:10,799
amount of money restricted or have spent

1288
00:57:10,799 --> 00:57:12,720
on a qualifying fund. So we couldn't

1289
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:14,319
even say well we're going to borrow from

1290
00:57:14,319 --> 00:57:17,200
the roads fund for a couple of years and

1291
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,079
then pay it back. You can't. It has to

1292
00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:22,079
be within you within that same year you

1293
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:25,119
have to show that you have 4.7 million

1294
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:27,040
or whatever our number is at that point

1295
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,280
restricted for this. So you you can't

1296
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,599
just use it to help you float cash from

1297
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:33,599
year to year. The state looks at that

1298
00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:36,160
every year with our audit. So

1299
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,079
>> thank you.

1300
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:38,640
>> Anything else?

1301
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:39,920
>> Does anybody have any questions for

1302
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,960
Aspen and the financial side of this?

1303
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,040
>> I do. So if we use this 3 million, which

1304
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:46,400
is a lot of money, we're still having

1305
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,240
enough money for other things, right?

1306
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:49,680
We're not going to like be draining our

1307
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,760
account. today something else.

1308
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,160
>> There'll still be 1.7 sitting in the

1309
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,040
PTIF and that's separate from um you

1310
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,599
know where we're Yeah. So there would

1311
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:02,000
still be

1312
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,119
>> every year usually

1313
00:58:03,119 --> 00:58:07,040
>> about 1.3 million every year. And the

1314
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,119
way it's been used before is the city

1315
00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:12,799
went out and contracted with outside

1316
00:58:12,799 --> 00:58:15,839
contractors, sorry, to come and do this

1317
00:58:15,839 --> 00:58:17,920
maintenance for us. And this way we'll

1318
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,400
be able to do it in house.

1319
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:21,839
because we did we didn't have the

1320
00:58:21,839 --> 00:58:25,430
equipment.

1321
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,520
» So, in essence, we're going to get far

1322
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,960
more miles repaired or maintained or

1323
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,599
created as opposed to the contracted

1324
00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:36,000
price, which it looked to me about three

1325
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,079
times higher than doing it yourself.

1326
00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:38,640
>> Yes.

1327
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,640
>> And some some things will have to be

1328
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,680
contracted just because of

1329
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,680
>> equipment. We can't buy every piece of

1330
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,200
equipment for something that we need.

1331
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,119
It's the right tool for the right road

1332
00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:51,200
at the right time, right? It's the same.

1333
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:52,799
There may be some services that we need

1334
00:58:52,799 --> 00:58:54,880
to rent a piece of equipment for to for

1335
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,920
our crews to do as far as applications

1336
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,720
um outside of what we're buying, but and

1337
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,799
then sometimes just because of workload,

1338
00:59:02,799 --> 00:59:04,240
we may have to have somebody come and

1339
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,799
help us do certain things. Hopefully, we

1340
00:59:06,799 --> 00:59:08,880
can try to tackle most of that. That's

1341
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,160
my my goal, but it it may be an

1342
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,240
inevitable that that's why we'll have

1343
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,040
some contingency for that. My goal is to

1344
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:22,576
try to trim that down dramatically.

1345
00:59:22,586 --> 00:59:28,069
[clears throat]

1346
00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:30,000
» Christie, could I could I ask you a

1347
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,200
question?

1348
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,480
>> Um, do you feel like that we've

1349
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,559
underutilized this fund over the last

1350
00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:39,839
few years and and not done more with it?

1351
00:59:39,839 --> 00:59:41,599
seems like I mean it's obvious we

1352
00:59:41,599 --> 00:59:44,720
have $4.7 million in that fund and maybe

1353
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:49,200
we've done all that we can do

1354
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:52,160
but could we have done more? I guess I

1355
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:52,960
want to say

1356
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,520
>> um we didn't have the expertise with

1357
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,880
that we have with Ben now that for

1358
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:00,480
knowing what to do and how to do it

1359
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,319
either. So we didn't have the equipment,

1360
01:00:02,319 --> 01:00:05,440
the manpower or the expertise. So again,

1361
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,720
we were given an amount and we would go

1362
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,359
out to bid and we would say we think we

1363
01:00:11,359 --> 01:00:13,359
should do this much road or what to do

1364
01:00:13,359 --> 01:00:16,480
with it and did it to the best that we

1365
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:17,839
could with that amount of money each

1366
01:00:17,839 --> 01:00:19,839
year. So,

1367
01:00:19,839 --> 01:00:23,599
>> but contracted out

1368
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:26,480
>> and I mean yes it's a big investment but

1369
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:30,079
um would you say what's the us doing it

1370
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:33,359
ourselves and having the expertise here

1371
01:00:33,359 --> 01:00:36,240
with us which I think is great that

1372
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,599
we've got Ben on board. Um

1373
01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:41,040
what do you think the I mean we saw a

1374
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:42,480
lot of savings a lot of numbers up

1375
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:46,480
there. So, is hiring a contractor three

1376
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,319
times more expensive, five times more

1377
01:00:48,319 --> 01:00:50,640
expensive? I mean, what's your what's

1378
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:51,280
your thought on?

1379
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:52,799
>> Like Ben said, there's some things we

1380
01:00:52,799 --> 01:00:54,720
don't have the equipment to do. To do a

1381
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,920
full reconstruction, we don't have the

1382
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,160
ability to do it. It would cost us way

1383
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,319
too much time to do it. Even with

1384
01:01:02,319 --> 01:01:05,040
renting the equipment, but being able to

1385
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,920
crack seal ourself is at least three

1386
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:14,870
times savings.

1387
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,160
And when it's not done, you just

1388
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,319
shorten the lifespan of that roadway

1389
01:01:20,319 --> 01:01:20,880
specific.

1390
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:22,240
>> Yeah. Just like we learned last night,

1391
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:25,920
we build a road to last 20 years, but if

1392
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,559
it's preserved by crack, sill, fog,

1393
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:31,119
slurry, those things, then it can be

1394
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:33,440
indefinite depending on the traffic. Of

1395
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,520
course, roads can break down if they're

1396
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:40,880
not built to the um level of use, but we

1397
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,520
can get a lot further on our residential

1398
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,440
roads.

1399
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,359
>> Let me ask you a specific road and

1400
01:01:47,359 --> 01:01:49,119
whether or not we could do it. South

1401
01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:50,000
Street,

1402
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:50,960
>> dirt road.

1403
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:52,000
>> Yes. So,

1404
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:53,119
>> is that something that

1405
01:01:53,119 --> 01:01:54,960
>> with this equipment we could do South

1406
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,119
Street ourselves?

1407
01:01:57,119 --> 01:01:59,200
>> So, he a year ago because that would

1408
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:00,799
have been a great bypass.

1409
01:02:00,799 --> 01:02:02,880
>> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah.

1410
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,280
You're fine to come back up, buddy.

1411
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,599
>> Yeah, that that would be really the

1412
01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:09,440
perfect road for the zipper. Go in

1413
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,200
there, reclaim all that, bring in some

1414
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,359
fresh stuff as well, get it all blended

1415
01:02:13,359 --> 01:02:15,359
in there very well, and then you can do

1416
01:02:15,359 --> 01:02:16,799
a double chip and end up with that

1417
01:02:16,799 --> 01:02:18,880
picture that I showed you from Lee

1418
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,440
County. So, that's one version. Or you

1419
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,200
could spend the money to pave it. That

1420
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,119
chipping it with a double chip is far

1421
01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:29,119
less money to do costwise than it is to

1422
01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:33,839
do uh overlay. So, and it'll buy you you

1423
01:02:33,839 --> 01:02:36,400
a good double chip road should last you

1424
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,480
minimum 10 years with another

1425
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,520
application of chip within that 7 to 10

1426
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,680
year mark. So, there's there's this

1427
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,400
technic curve. I may be using the wrong

1428
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,720
language, but there's a curve in the in

1429
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,040
our in our industry that shows new

1430
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:52,640
pavement from the time it's installed

1431
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,799
and it dra drastically starts dropping

1432
01:02:54,799 --> 01:02:57,680
over 20 years. So you with the

1433
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,400
three-legged stool system at seven five

1434
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:01,839
to seven years you do your first

1435
01:03:01,839 --> 01:03:04,160
application of some seal coat and you

1436
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,319
keep doing chip seal you might do an

1437
01:03:06,319 --> 01:03:08,799
overlay or you might do a mill and fill

1438
01:03:08,799 --> 01:03:10,799
at some point you can stretch you can

1439
01:03:10,799 --> 01:03:12,400
and he mentioned that last night in the

1440
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,520
transportation that you can extend by

1441
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,440
bunny hopping that out there on that

1442
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,599
curve to you can make roads last 40

1443
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:23,599
years initially by doing that between

1444
01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:28,640
five to sevenyear treatments every and extend the life of that pavement,

1445
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,720
>> which is what you're proposing here

1446
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:32,000
>> with all that equipment.

1447
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:33,280
>> We run through it every five years.

1448
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:34,799
>> And I've got the water truck. I found a

1449
01:03:34,799 --> 01:03:37,520
water truck. I put 150. I did find a

1450
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,839
water truck here locally. It's the only

1451
01:03:39,839 --> 01:03:41,359
one in the state of Utah. Everything

1452
01:03:41,359 --> 01:03:43,520
else that I found is California,

1453
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:45,440
Arizona. There's a lot of these little

1454
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:47,920
2,000galon trucks out there, but Kate

1455
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,480
Equipment has one and they've given us a

1456
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,200
price of 59,000. So I told him, try to

1457
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:54,720
hold it for me. I couldn't get him to

1458
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,359
commit, but that is possibly available

1459
01:03:57,359 --> 01:04:00,079
at a much lesser cost than that. So, and

1460
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:02,559
I did the assumptive shipping because

1461
01:04:02,559 --> 01:04:04,640
all pieces of equipment when I bought

1462
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:08,799
that uh chip truck in Duchen County, I

1463
01:04:08,799 --> 01:04:12,400
negotiated Secier to pay for our flight

1464
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,559
out to South Carolina and all of our

1465
01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:17,200
hotel stays and fuel to drive it back

1466
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,680
and it saved

1467
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,240
like $30,000 and they paid for the whole

1468
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,160
thing. I'm not proposing that, but

1469
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,079
that's just some of the things that we

1470
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:28,799
can negotiate.

1471
01:04:28,799 --> 01:04:30,799
>> Um,

1472
01:04:30,799 --> 01:04:32,240
don't take this the wrong way. You're no

1473
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:33,920
spring chicken. So, I'm [laughter] just

1474
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,000
thinking in my mind, here we're here we

1475
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:36,720
are.

1476
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:38,640
>> My hair doesn't give me away, does it?

1477
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:40,000
>> Yeah. [laughter]

1478
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,400
So, here we invest $3 million in all

1479
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,440
this equipment and we have the the

1480
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,760
knowhow, the expertise. You're training

1481
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:49,280
individuals.

1482
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:50,960
Um, [snorts] I'm just thinking of

1483
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:54,079
contingency plans on individuals, you

1484
01:04:54,079 --> 01:04:56,319
know, having opportunity to rise up and

1485
01:04:56,319 --> 01:04:56,720
Yep.

1486
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:58,400
>> and and take those positions.

1487
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,119
>> I'm big on planning for succession.

1488
01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:04,559
>> I train my guys for that. So, Duchain

1489
01:05:04,559 --> 01:05:06,720
County, two of my guys that were under

1490
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,599
me are now leading that group that were

1491
01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:12,799
under me under my succession plan. So, I

1492
01:05:12,799 --> 01:05:14,319
do,

1493
01:05:14,319 --> 01:05:16,240
you know, things change, life changes.

1494
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:20,319
It's nothing's solid anymore. So

1495
01:05:20,319 --> 01:05:22,400
>> we do have the lead over tomorrow lead

1496
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,319
position where

1497
01:05:24,319 --> 01:05:26,720
>> we do have the but I do plan for

1498
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,039
position open right now and if this

1499
01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:30,720
passes tonight that's where we're going

1500
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:33,839
to go after and find um that replacement

1501
01:05:33,839 --> 01:05:36,480
option in that person.

1502
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:39,200
>> Do the wages um ask this question for

1503
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:42,240
you. Do the wages for this part of the

1504
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:43,520
public works department, do they come

1505
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,280
out of the class C fund

1506
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:47,680
>> or does that come out of a different

1507
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,720
>> Yeah. So it it does get messy once we

1508
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:52,559
start talking about wages because it

1509
01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:56,480
does have to be tied to a roads job

1510
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:58,480
specifically that they're working on. So

1511
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,520
like um we can so ultimately the guys

1512
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,839
will be set up to be paid out of streets

1513
01:06:03,839 --> 01:06:06,640
instead. And then what we will do is

1514
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,599
monthly or quarterly we can go through

1515
01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:12,880
and we'll basically audit our guys and

1516
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:14,799
what work they've been doing so we can

1517
01:06:14,799 --> 01:06:16,960
have the backup support that we need to

1518
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,520
then say okay classy road fund can

1519
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:22,000
transfer into streets for x amount of

1520
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:23,520
dollars because that was how much work

1521
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,319
qualified for these guys. So like right

1522
01:06:26,319 --> 01:06:30,079
now most of what I mean Ben is pretty I

1523
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:31,599
drive home and Ben's filling a pothole

1524
01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:34,400
right? So like Ben even qualifies under

1525
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,319
the class cuz that's like he's out there

1526
01:06:36,319 --> 01:06:38,319
actually maintaining our roads which

1527
01:06:38,319 --> 01:06:40,240
does qualify. So it's because it's no

1528
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,160
different than paying a contractor. It's

1529
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:47,029
just we're paying Ben.

1530
01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:49,520
» My goal is to be here

1531
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:51,920
as long as I can till I till I retire.

1532
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,559
But I'm here as long as need be. Long as

1533
01:06:54,559 --> 01:06:57,839
you guys accept me, I'm here. So

1534
01:06:57,839 --> 01:06:59,119
>> right.

1535
01:06:59,119 --> 01:07:00,799
>> Well, Ben, we're glad you are here.

1536
01:07:00,799 --> 01:07:02,799
Honestly, I think infrastructure is one

1537
01:07:02,799 --> 01:07:06,079
of the areas that we've lacked on and

1538
01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:08,240
you see that as you as you drive around

1539
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,400
and how we take care of what we have and

1540
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,880
doing a better job at that. I I have a

1541
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:14,799
couple of questions. One of them is

1542
01:07:14,799 --> 01:07:17,599
really more

1543
01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:20,799
regarding uh other individuals that tie

1544
01:07:20,799 --> 01:07:23,839
into our road systems and establishing

1545
01:07:23,839 --> 01:07:26,000
and and maybe we have this already

1546
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,240
entirely and I'm and I'm just unaware of

1547
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,119
it, but establishing a standard for any

1548
01:07:31,119 --> 01:07:33,839
tie-ins into our roadways, you know,

1549
01:07:33,839 --> 01:07:36,799
that they that they have to mill and do

1550
01:07:36,799 --> 01:07:38,400
it right. we're not just getting a

1551
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,319
little trench in there that settles and

1552
01:07:40,319 --> 01:07:43,440
then we have a a jump that everybody

1553
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:47,280
gets to break their tires through. Um, I

1554
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,240
think establishing a standard and and in

1555
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:52,319
what we expect as a city is one of the

1556
01:07:52,319 --> 01:07:54,400
things I know this is kind of off. The

1557
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:56,480
other the other thing that I'm I'm

1558
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:59,680
struggling with in my mind is is we it

1559
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:02,319
feels like the last few weeks we've made

1560
01:08:02,319 --> 01:08:04,400
some pretty significant financial

1561
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,599
decisions as a city, as a council. And

1562
01:08:07,599 --> 01:08:09,839
um I just want to ensure you know if we

1563
01:08:09,839 --> 01:08:12,480
have four 4.7 that we're working with

1564
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,400
and we spend three of that on equipment,

1565
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:16,000
we really only have one point for

1566
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,920
materials or um to be I would I would

1567
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,159
like to look at this and and if and if

1568
01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:23,920
this is the worst case scenario and we

1569
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:29,679
come through this I mean there are other ways we can get

1570
01:08:29,679 --> 01:08:32,560
equipment you know we get used um I

1571
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,839
don't know crack seal machine and mastic

1572
01:08:35,839 --> 01:08:37,759
trailer or if those are equipment you

1573
01:08:37,759 --> 01:08:39,359
want to buy used because you end up

1574
01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:42,000
maintaining it more than right. So I

1575
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:45,120
think those make sense. Um but as we

1576
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,359
look at I just want to ensure that we

1577
01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:52,480
have frugality in our decision making

1578
01:08:52,480 --> 01:08:55,440
um in that in that process. It would be

1579
01:08:55,440 --> 01:08:57,520
nice to say, look, we spent $2 million

1580
01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:59,120
worth of equipment and we were able to

1581
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:04,080
use $2 million worth of class C funds to do the roadway you were just

1582
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:07,279
referring to and maybe maybe another um

1583
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:09,679
>> multiple roadways miles.

1584
01:09:09,679 --> 01:09:11,359
>> So to try to get the most for our money.

1585
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:13,520
That is my biggest that is my biggest

1586
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,440
concern right now. Totally understand.

1587
01:09:15,440 --> 01:09:20,000
>> So and but there is a need for it. Um

1588
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,960
I'm I'm I'm glad we have looked and

1589
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:24,560
addressed the rows. We've classified

1590
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:26,319
them in

1591
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:29,600
>> where where they need repair and and

1592
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,560
then we start prioritizing how we

1593
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:33,520
>> little bit

1594
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:36,400
>> how we attack it, right? And and just

1595
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:38,640
hasn't been done before now. So, like I

1596
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,120
said, grateful you're here. Um,

1597
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:43,199
appreciate the time and effort into the

1598
01:09:43,199 --> 01:09:46,080
presentation. My main concern was just

1599
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:47,520
getting the most for our dollar.

1600
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:49,359
>> Be assured that I will be finding and

1601
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:51,120
searching out the best deals I can find.

1602
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:54,239
used, new, demo, whatever it takes. Um,

1603
01:09:54,239 --> 01:09:57,679
I will thoroughly vet that that piece of

1604
01:09:57,679 --> 01:09:59,120
equipment that I'm looking at to

1605
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:04,159
possibly buy used is topnotch. We'll run it through our mechanic. I

1606
01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:05,679
have a lot of mechanical experience

1607
01:10:05,679 --> 01:10:07,520
myself. Bought a lot of equipment over

1608
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,000
the years. Um, I I have a lot of

1609
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,800
connections, so I would use every

1610
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:16,000
available contact that I can use to try

1611
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,560
to minimize. I just use worst case

1612
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:20,400
scenario numbers because it's always

1613
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,199
better to use that than try to tell you

1614
01:10:23,199 --> 01:10:24,880
that I used a lower number and then come

1615
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:26,239
back and ask for more money. So

1616
01:10:26,239 --> 01:10:27,760
>> yeah, I mean you quoted a water truck

1617
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,640
100 less than what you specified here.

1618
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,120
>> We buy two pickups for 50 versus I think

1619
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:34,560
I put them in there for

1620
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:35,360
>> 80.

1621
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:39,280
>> Yeah. 160. So

1622
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:40,320
there's there's a couple hundred

1623
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:47,059
thousand in savings right there.

1624
01:10:47,069 --> 01:10:47,760
» [clears throat]

1625
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:50,480
>> Um, do we have the current manpower to

1626
01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:51,840
run all this equipment? Are we going

1627
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:52,960
have to hire more? I know we talked

1628
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,120
about we've got one opening. We're going

1629
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:57,840
to need to hire more. If so, how many?

1630
01:10:57,840 --> 01:10:59,920
>> No, I think if we just pan if we just

1631
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:03,360
plan it out properly and you utilize,

1632
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:05,120
you know, certain months to do the

1633
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,120
things that we can do like crackill in

1634
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:09,280
the winter time or or when we have

1635
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,679
colder mastic can be put down any time

1636
01:11:11,679 --> 01:11:13,679
of the year. try not to do it when it's

1637
01:11:13,679 --> 01:11:16,560
super hot. But so you just it's just a

1638
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,520
matter of me planning the proper

1639
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:22,480
attack method to go do that. Um 20 miles

1640
01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:24,640
of doing a if we do 20 miles of chip

1641
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,520
ceiling, I could probably two weeks if

1642
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:29,600
we have everything lined out properly,

1643
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,679
we could do that within a twoe period

1644
01:11:31,679 --> 01:11:34,320
every year. So really it looks scary as

1645
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:36,480
far as trying to plan it. But and then

1646
01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:38,080
there's always other things that get in

1647
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:39,280
the way, right? There's special

1648
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:40,480
interests. there's things that we need

1649
01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:42,719
to do for the rodeo or this or that, but

1650
01:11:42,719 --> 01:11:46,800
it's I work personally I work every

1651
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,920
extra second with my crews bouncing back

1652
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,719
and forth. Um, we tackled one of the

1653
01:11:52,719 --> 01:11:54,239
very first things I tackled when I came

1654
01:11:54,239 --> 01:11:57,040
here was the disc golf baskets that were

1655
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:58,400
sitting in the yard for about a year or

1656
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,400
so and we've got those baskets

1657
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,679
installed. So, we're about 50% done with

1658
01:12:03,679 --> 01:12:06,560
that disc golf park at this point and

1659
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:08,080
that's just working extra time when

1660
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:09,679
we've got it. So, it's just a matter of

1661
01:12:09,679 --> 01:12:11,760
planning and processing that stuff and

1662
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:12,800
getting it done right.

1663
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,040
>> But I think if we do need some more, I

1664
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:16,880
think we I would like to look at the

1665
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:18,640
option of getting like summer hires

1666
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:20,159
during the summer period, getting more

1667
01:12:20,159 --> 01:12:22,719
opportunity for our youth to have those

1668
01:12:22,719 --> 01:12:24,239
jobs during that time period because

1669
01:12:24,239 --> 01:12:26,080
they'll be good at flaggers and shoving

1670
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,159
the rock and sweeping up the rock and

1671
01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:30,159
stuff like that. So, that could fall

1672
01:12:30,159 --> 01:12:32,800
under that and that's not a significant

1673
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,600
lift to get a lot of um summer hires.

1674
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:36,960
>> Yeah. And I have a belief in the road

1675
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:38,480
department, you're always 10 guys short.

1676
01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:40,000
It doesn't matter how big your crew is.

1677
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:41,840
I've managed as many as 50 people and

1678
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,159
I'm always 10 guys short. So we just do

1679
01:12:44,159 --> 01:12:46,159
what we need to do.

1680
01:12:46,159 --> 01:12:51,199
>> Um on these RO ROIs you've got um those

1681
01:12:51,199 --> 01:12:53,520
true RO ROIs because they didn't there

1682
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,360
was nothing in there about fuel

1683
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:58,000
maintenance, insurance, depreciation,

1684
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:59,360
any of that stuff. So, I just didn't

1685
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:00,800
know if you took that into account on

1686
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:01,840
these or

1687
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:03,760
>> just basically went through the cost,

1688
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,640
you know, appreciate or depreciation

1689
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:08,480
when you start looking at it, you maybe

1690
01:13:08,480 --> 01:13:11,520
10% goes into replacement per year. So,

1691
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:14,239
if you want to do a 10-year cycle, it's

1692
01:13:14,239 --> 01:13:15,840
like that for instance, the chip truck.

1693
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:18,400
I I I can see with a small town that we

1694
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,679
have and the ability to grow like we are

1695
01:13:21,679 --> 01:13:23,600
that the chip truck could be here for 20

1696
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:26,000
years. So you can cut that down instead

1697
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:30,080
of 10,000 a month or 10,000 a year for

1698
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:31,679
replacement, you can cut that down to

1699
01:13:31,679 --> 01:13:35,120
like 5,000. So in that assumptive, so we

1700
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:38,080
run everything off of FEMA in our in our

1701
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:39,760
uh

1702
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,719
I works. So FEMA drives what we can

1703
01:13:42,719 --> 01:13:45,520
charge hourly to a municipality. We

1704
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:48,560
don't use we don't compete against the

1705
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:52,800
market. So FEMA rates assume labor,

1706
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:55,520
maintenance, all of that stuff as we put

1707
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,080
our time into our eyeworks every day

1708
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:00,000
that those numbers are in there for the

1709
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:01,600
equipment. So that gives us a little bit

1710
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:03,679
better idea of what and I I didn't I

1711
01:14:03,679 --> 01:14:05,520
apologize I didn't pull those numbers.

1712
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,080
So but they're there in I work so we

1713
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:11,520
could do that but all those numbers like

1714
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:13,679
for instance I think our dump truck PS

1715
01:14:13,679 --> 01:14:16,800
for about 120 an hour under fummer rate.

1716
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:21,040
So that is assumption of labor cost of

1717
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,760
maintaining it and other other things to

1718
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:25,360
go with depreciation.

1719
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:27,679
>> That's accurate.

1720
01:14:27,679 --> 01:14:29,199
>> Um

1721
01:14:29,199 --> 01:14:31,840
with Jake with the

1722
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:34,080
you know the the optics of we just spent

1723
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:35,520
all this money and I know they're

1724
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:37,760
different funds and I kind of went

1725
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:39,440
through I'm not an expert but I kind of

1726
01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:40,480
looked through here. There was a lot of

1727
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:44,080
the things on here. I mean, a 30 ton

1728
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:45,840
trailer. I mean, is that do we really

1729
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:49,280
need need that? Um, the skid steer looks

1730
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:50,560
like it's top of the line. It's got

1731
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,880
climate control. I mean, there I think

1732
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:54,640
there's some things that we might we

1733
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:56,880
don't need to go to the top line of. We

1734
01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:00,000
can maybe get some things for less to

1735
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,520
um,

1736
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:04,640
you know, save some money for supplies

1737
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:06,640
or or road different things that we

1738
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,280
need. Um, so I appreciate you looking at

1739
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:10,560
the truck and the water truck getting

1740
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:12,560
those down, but I I think we should look

1741
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:16,960
at I mean that 30 ton trailer. I don't

1742
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:18,320
>> What equipment do we need for

1743
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:20,640
>> Well, if you're driving out to like

1744
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:22,480
what's the farthest like sheep lane?

1745
01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:23,600
>> Sheep lane.

1746
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:25,120
>> You going to drive the skidster out

1747
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:27,040
there or like the your back hose and

1748
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:29,120
everything like that along 138. Everyone

1749
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:32,400
complains about or 112 the back hose.

1750
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:33,440
Are we going to drive them all the way

1751
01:15:33,440 --> 01:15:35,440
out there on that regard? Everyone

1752
01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:36,719
complains about how slow they go and so

1753
01:15:36,719 --> 01:15:38,880
it's not safe to do that. And so putting

1754
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:40,880
them on a trailer like this will make it

1755
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:43,120
safe for that the road crew to do that.

1756
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:44,880
>> Well, and also the wear and tear on the

1757
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,360
machines to drive them.

1758
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:48,800
>> Let's just say we're building South

1759
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,600
Street because that example's been used.

1760
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:53,440
Um even to go from the public works

1761
01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:55,360
building to South Street back and forth

1762
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,440
every day is

1763
01:15:57,440 --> 01:15:59,120
that's putting quite a few

1764
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:00,560
>> I'm not saying we don't need a trailer.

1765
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:03,120
I'm just saying it's 30 town. is that

1766
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:04,880
>> we went yeah I went to the highest

1767
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:05,920
because we don't know what we're going

1768
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:08,080
to add in the future you know future we

1769
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:10,560
may need a track and we get into a 320

1770
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:12,880
or 318 or something then you're going to

1771
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:14,560
need a trailer like that so if we have

1772
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:17,520
one we why we got the money to spend it

1773
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:19,520
unfortunately it's that type of

1774
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,760
situation for me I'm not not saying that

1775
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,400
I'm spending wildly but I just look at

1776
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:26,640
the future very similar to the traffic

1777
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:29,199
management plan we are we will need

1778
01:16:29,199 --> 01:16:30,880
right now we rely on the county to come

1779
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:33,040
and take their track goes in. That will

1780
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:35,199
be a future expense for any

1781
01:16:35,199 --> 01:16:37,760
municipality. It's just a must for

1782
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:40,239
drainage and it just gives you the

1783
01:16:40,239 --> 01:16:42,159
ability to haul much more equipment.

1784
01:16:42,159 --> 01:16:44,320
Even if we go out and lease something,

1785
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:47,280
we don't have to pay the cost of having

1786
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:48,880
somebody to truck that to us, which is

1787
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:51,360
extremely high right now. You know, a

1788
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,360
trip from Salt Lake for them to road one

1789
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:56,320
way is typically between $800 and $1,500

1790
01:16:56,320 --> 01:17:00,000
one way to mob. So that's a $3,000

1791
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:02,239
expense if you have to rent something.

1792
01:17:02,239 --> 01:17:05,760
So it gives us the ability to haul more.

1793
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:09,440
So as far as the skid steer, yes, you

1794
01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:12,239
can buy cheaper skid steers. Um

1795
01:17:12,239 --> 01:17:15,440
Caterpillar has this grater and this

1796
01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:16,800
greater blade. That's why they

1797
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:19,760
recommended to me the the 275 because it

1798
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,239
has all the capabilities to run those.

1799
01:17:22,239 --> 01:17:24,880
systems don't integrate with it's

1800
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:27,360
a CAT piece of equipment. will not

1801
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:30,560
integrate with a K Cabota. It won't it

1802
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:32,719
won't plug and play. We have that

1803
01:17:32,719 --> 01:17:34,480
problem right now with Bobcat that we

1804
01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:37,360
have. Somebody took an older piece of

1805
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:39,360
equipment that we had and tried to one

1806
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,440
of our mechanics or whoever it was tried

1807
01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:43,520
to integrate the plugs to run a piece of

1808
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:45,199
equipment that was not a Bobcat piece of

1809
01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:47,280
equipment and now we have that Bobcat

1810
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:50,239
down more than we have it operable

1811
01:17:50,239 --> 01:17:52,400
because somebody messed with the wiring

1812
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,080
and it's caused a lot of problems with

1813
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,480
the computer. that particular skid

1814
01:17:56,480 --> 01:17:58,159
steer. We were trying to use it out here

1815
01:17:58,159 --> 01:18:00,000
at the rodeo grounds. It's it's gone

1816
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:01,520
down on us about four or five times

1817
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:03,520
because it's got an electrical issue.

1818
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:05,920
So, you have to be very careful about

1819
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,320
thinking that I need to go buy a K

1820
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:11,120
Cabota. All those quotes from

1821
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,120
Caterpillar onstate contract, so they're

1822
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:15,600
already negotiated and to the lowest

1823
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,239
ability. And I just feel like you don't

1824
01:18:18,239 --> 01:18:20,239
want to be crosssectioning

1825
01:18:20,239 --> 01:18:22,480
CAT material with something else. And

1826
01:18:22,480 --> 01:18:23,679
there's not a lot of those greater

1827
01:18:23,679 --> 01:18:26,239
blades out there currently for some of

1828
01:18:26,239 --> 01:18:28,159
the other manufacturers with that in

1829
01:18:28,159 --> 01:18:30,560
with that integration. So,

1830
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,239
>> and I do want to point out that Ben has

1831
01:18:32,239 --> 01:18:35,040
done a fabulous job as far as being

1832
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:36,480
fiscally responsible and following

1833
01:18:36,480 --> 01:18:38,640
purchasing policies. Like he's found

1834
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,719
items that are on state contract, which

1835
01:18:40,719 --> 01:18:42,239
we encourage. That's the lowest

1836
01:18:42,239 --> 01:18:44,719
negotiated rate you can get. That's why

1837
01:18:44,719 --> 01:18:47,199
they're on state contract. um in

1838
01:18:47,199 --> 01:18:49,199
collecting several bids. He h it's not

1839
01:18:49,199 --> 01:18:50,960
like he just went and picked that's the

1840
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,120
one I want and has no justification for

1841
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:56,159
it. He has done expensive he has spent

1842
01:18:56,159 --> 01:18:58,560
extensive amounts of time gathering the

1843
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:00,960
necessary bids or making the calls to

1844
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:03,520
get the state contracted price. So I

1845
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:05,280
just want to give Ben credit there

1846
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:07,440
because he has done a lot of work to try

1847
01:19:07,440 --> 01:19:09,040
to get the most fiscally responsible

1848
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:14,390
option.

1849
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:17,840
Do we have a place to store all this?

1850
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,320
>> It's going to be a challenge, but

1851
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:22,640
I've driven by it a lot, so I'm just

1852
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:25,440
curious.

1853
01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:28,080
>> We We don't have a locked place to store

1854
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:29,760
this.

1855
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:34,390
Okay,

1856
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:39,679
» I guess the next question that I had is does this equipment need to be

1857
01:19:39,679 --> 01:19:41,679
>> collected together or is there a phase

1858
01:19:41,679 --> 01:19:43,760
one and a phase two here that we see or

1859
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,480
a phase partial phase this year, second

1860
01:19:46,480 --> 01:19:48,560
phase next year? Does it need to kind of

1861
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:50,640
I mean I'm talking logistically what you

1862
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:52,800
need to do it. Um

1863
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:54,880
>> really the the mastic and the crack seal

1864
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:56,400
trader would like to probably put those

1865
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:58,000
on board as soon as possible, but a lot

1866
01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:59,760
of these things are not going to be like

1867
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:01,920
more than half of them are they're going

1868
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:03,360
to have to be built. So they're out

1869
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:05,679
there three to six months depending on

1870
01:20:05,679 --> 01:20:08,000
the truck. The dump truck is probably 90

1871
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:10,000
days to or so out. By the time we bring

1872
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:13,199
it back and retrofit it could be 120. So

1873
01:20:13,199 --> 01:20:14,480
a lot of this equipment is going to

1874
01:20:14,480 --> 01:20:17,280
stack out there. The chip seal truck is

1875
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:20,560
available now as I told me, but that

1876
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:22,080
doesn't mean we have to buy that truck

1877
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:24,960
today, right? Um, but it's available.

1878
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,040
So, it's just a matter of how we want to

1879
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:30,880
stack that and what we need right now to

1880
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,280
keep our crews busy, make things happen,

1881
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:34,880
and start taking those bites out of the

1882
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:38,800
settlement that we have. So,

1883
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:42,080
we can stage that any way the council

1884
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:44,640
sees fit. You know,

1885
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:48,159
>> I I had another question on the class C

1886
01:20:48,159 --> 01:20:51,600
funds. Um

1887
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,400
I just wanted to clarify for the public.

1888
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:56,719
Can we kind of can we go through how

1889
01:20:56,719 --> 01:20:58,960
that how those funds come in

1890
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:00,719
specifically where we get them from, how

1891
01:21:00,719 --> 01:21:02,719
they're just maybe

1892
01:21:02,719 --> 01:21:03,120
>> Yeah.

1893
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:04,480
>> the definition of them.

1894
01:21:04,480 --> 01:21:05,360
>> Uh yeah,

1895
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:07,040
>> we hear them a lot. I just

1896
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:08,960
>> Yeah. So it, like I had mentioned

1897
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:10,880
before, it's based on our fuel tax that

1898
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:12,560
everyone pays when they fuel up. The

1899
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:14,000
state collects everything and then

1900
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,239
distributes them across the state based

1901
01:21:16,239 --> 01:21:20,480
on our mileage and our population. Um,

1902
01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:21,840
>> yeah, the um,

1903
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:24,480
>> can I interrupt for one second, Aspen?

1904
01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:27,040
>> Last night when we were hearing the road

1905
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:29,280
transportation plan, they said they had

1906
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:31,760
updated all the miles of roads and

1907
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:34,320
turned that into UD do or the state.

1908
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:35,920
>> They turned it to us and we submitted

1909
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,320
that to the state. We So was that number

1910
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:40,159
up to the point that we will get an

1911
01:21:40,159 --> 01:21:42,320
increased number of

1912
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:44,320
>> dollars already? It was only three more

1913
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:46,400
miles from the last time we submitted.

1914
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:48,400
>> Okay. So not a substantial difference. I

1915
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:50,239
just had that question last night. Okay.

1916
01:21:50,239 --> 01:21:52,639
>> But that is something that uh Christie

1917
01:21:52,639 --> 01:21:54,480
submits every year as far as our road

1918
01:21:54,480 --> 01:21:55,760
mileage goes to report that because

1919
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:58,000
that's on us to keep that up to date. So

1920
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,000
that is something that she updates every

1921
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,000
year. Um the population is actually

1922
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:04,159
based the state passed the legislation a

1923
01:22:04,159 --> 01:22:06,239
couple years ago and they do the state

1924
01:22:06,239 --> 01:22:08,560
through an extensive process that also

1925
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:11,120
is used for a sales tax but regardless

1926
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:15,920
that's how it's calculated. Um but so as

1927
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:18,000
far as it's collected also on our

1928
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:20,719
financials on the that packet that you

1929
01:22:20,719 --> 01:22:22,880
guys get. So what's sitting in the PTI

1930
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:25,040
is there from previous years but you can

1931
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:29,350
see on page

1932
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:31,920
four under interlocal agreement we have

1933
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:33,679
our class C road fund aotment and you

1934
01:22:33,679 --> 01:22:35,760
can actually see as that money is coming

1935
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:38,320
in to our

1936
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:40,159
like is being distributed from the state

1937
01:22:40,159 --> 01:22:43,679
to us throughout the year. Um, and just

1938
01:22:43,679 --> 01:22:46,000
based on this year's budget that was

1939
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:50,080
approved for class C roads, I mean 1.3

1940
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:51,840
million was approved for spending this

1941
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:54,239
year um, in the budget that to be sure

1942
01:22:54,239 --> 01:22:55,520
hasn't been spent, but that was the

1943
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:57,199
working budget that was approved by last

1944
01:22:57,199 --> 01:22:58,960
year's council for this fiscal year's

1945
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:01,760
operating budget for class C funds. So,

1946
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,400
um, it was budgeted to spend most of

1947
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:06,400
what would have been collected this year

1948
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:09,199
in the aotment that we would receive by

1949
01:23:09,199 --> 01:23:11,360
the state. But yeah, it just comes out

1950
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:13,199
throughout the year and you guys get an

1951
01:23:13,199 --> 01:23:15,040
updated copy of this every month that

1952
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:16,960
you guys can watch that climb. But

1953
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:18,880
>> and our goal is in this new budget year

1954
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:21,040
is to plan for replacement, start using

1955
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:22,960
that funds to buy the crack, sell the

1956
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:26,159
material to to actually use this on the

1957
01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:28,400
roads going forward because it's in that

1958
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,639
way is not a lot of that doesn't go to

1959
01:23:30,639 --> 01:23:31,920
the contractor's fee and different

1960
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:33,760
things like that. It'll go directly to

1961
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,800
our roads themselves. Again, I've been

1962
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:38,320
working with Aspen to create some new

1963
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:40,960
budget line items for some of the

1964
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:43,360
numbers that I've assumptive ran that we

1965
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:46,960
would be using for cracks and chips and

1966
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:49,360
asked, we should create line items for

1967
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:50,880
those so we know what we've got to

1968
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:52,400
spend. Some of those we're probably

1969
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:55,120
going to depending on the year, weather,

1970
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:58,159
whatever, we may have to flow one to the

1971
01:23:58,159 --> 01:24:00,480
other to get it to work, right? It's

1972
01:24:00,480 --> 01:24:03,600
always a it's it's it's a it's a moving

1973
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:05,199
target all the time with the with the

1974
01:24:05,199 --> 01:24:08,800
funds, but I assure you that I'm real

1975
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,440
spot on about trying to keep my budget

1976
01:24:11,440 --> 01:24:14,159
under control. I don't like to I've

1977
01:24:14,159 --> 01:24:16,400
never in [snorts] my tenure, I've never

1978
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:24,229
gone over budget ever. So,

1979
01:24:24,239 --> 01:24:29,990
I have just two more questions. When um

1980
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:33,280
uh when do we get the class C road fund

1981
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:37,199
um from the state? What do we get it in

1982
01:24:37,199 --> 01:24:38,880
July throughout the year?

1983
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:40,239
>> Yeah, it's throughout the year. So, it's

1984
01:24:40,239 --> 01:24:42,880
not like we don't get 1.3 million. It

1985
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:43,520
trickles in.

1986
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:45,360
>> Yeah. So, it's typically uh as Ben

1987
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:46,320
stated, it's typically [clears throat] a

1988
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:48,000
quarterly payment that we receive every

1989
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:50,239
quarter, just throughout the year as our

1990
01:24:50,239 --> 01:24:52,560
years go on. Um, one thing to keep in

1991
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:56,800
mind is with potential income mean

1992
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:58,719
annexations or something that would

1993
01:24:58,719 --> 01:25:00,320
increase the mileage of roads. So, we

1994
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:04,790
would be receiving a larger loan.

1995
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:08,320
» Then my my last question is that's once

1996
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:09,600
again to do with just the equipment

1997
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:11,920
costs. Um, if we do approve this

1998
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:15,760
tonight, can we get a reporting back and

1999
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:18,639
accountability of what was purchased?

2000
01:25:18,639 --> 01:25:24,239
Um, I I'm assuming that, you know, with this resolution passing that we're

2001
01:25:24,239 --> 01:25:25,760
giving you the green light to be able to

2002
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:28,960
purchase what you need, but we'd like um

2003
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:30,880
kind of a return and report

2004
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:32,719
accountability of what were we able to

2005
01:25:32,719 --> 01:25:35,520
get certain things for. Let's say you do

2006
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:40,560
find a street sweeper, you know, that's used in the market and it's

2007
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:43,600
$250,000 rather than half a million.

2008
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:46,400
>> Um, which would make more sense to me.

2009
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:48,239
Um, and you're able to come back and

2010
01:25:48,239 --> 01:25:50,159
say, "Okay, well, you know, this is what

2011
01:25:50,159 --> 01:25:51,360
I did with those funds and those

2012
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:53,280
monies." And report back to the council.

2013
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:55,199
>> Yep. That'll be through as well as

2014
01:25:55,199 --> 01:25:57,040
through PO systems. We can report that

2015
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:58,239
back to you however.

2016
01:25:58,239 --> 01:25:59,520
>> Yeah.

2017
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:00,800
>> As things are purchased,

2018
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:01,040
>> Yeah.

2019
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:03,360
>> we would we'd like to have you I would

2020
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:04,800
like to have you come back.

2021
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:05,600
>> We can do that.

2022
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:08,719
>> And report back to us. No problem.

2023
01:26:08,719 --> 01:26:10,960
I think maybe even a report of uh what

2024
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:13,199
projects have been completed along with

2025
01:26:13,199 --> 01:26:14,880
the purchases that have been made and

2026
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:15,760
how that

2027
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:16,960
>> how many miles of roads.

2028
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:18,880
>> Yes. How many miles of road were

2029
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:20,800
repaired so that we they did not have to

2030
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:23,920
be replaced and what we say what we

2031
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:26,320
estimate that we saved as opposed to

2032
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:28,400
having a contractor do that same work.

2033
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:31,360
>> Right. And right now we've done 24 just

2034
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:35,600
over 24 miles of Crackill for the 26

2035
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:40,104
year. So that that was a big deal.

2036
01:26:40,104 --> 01:26:40,800
[clears throat]

2037
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:44,320
>> Ben and Christie, is there this is just

2038
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:47,760
an observation, but I know we've been in

2039
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:50,400
South Willow Estates fixing a relatively

2040
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:52,639
new road that wasn't done right. You

2041
01:26:52,639 --> 01:26:55,520
showed a picture of Anderson Ranch.

2042
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:57,520
That's the road looked terrible. And

2043
01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:00,239
that's one of our newer subdivisions.

2044
01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:01,600
>> That's 20 years old.

2045
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:03,199
>> Anderson Ranch is 20 years old.

2046
01:27:03,199 --> 01:27:03,760
>> Yes.

2047
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:05,199
>> Is it really old? It's never been

2048
01:27:05,199 --> 01:27:07,280
cracked. [laughter]

2049
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:08,560
>> It's never had a crack at all.

2050
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:12,960
>> Just shut one. Phase one is 20 years.

2051
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:13,360
Maybe

2052
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:14,960
>> where they were is was still part of

2053
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:16,880
phase one where they were on saddle

2054
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:18,800
road. That's phase two.

2055
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:21,199
>> I just want to make sure our underlying

2056
01:27:21,199 --> 01:27:22,719
um

2057
01:27:22,719 --> 01:27:25,840
quality is

2058
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:27,679
that we're inspecting our roads that our

2059
01:27:27,679 --> 01:27:30,480
quality is better than ever.

2060
01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:33,440
what we're getting out of contractors

2061
01:27:33,440 --> 01:27:36,639
in the initial input of a road or stall

2062
01:27:36,639 --> 01:27:37,440
road.

2063
01:27:37,440 --> 01:27:39,760
>> No, Gransville's come a long way from

2064
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:41,679
when I first started. We now have two

2065
01:27:41,679 --> 01:27:43,760
infrastructure inspectors plus Barry

2066
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:46,239
that is here to help us. So, our roads

2067
01:27:46,239 --> 01:27:48,719
are getting inspected more than they

2068
01:27:48,719 --> 01:27:50,639
were when I first started.

2069
01:27:50,639 --> 01:27:52,400
>> Uh South Willow, you mentioned South

2070
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:54,480
Willow has multiple problems. One of its

2071
01:27:54,480 --> 01:27:56,000
biggest problems is the way the water

2072
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:57,600
lines were put in. It's our water lines

2073
01:27:57,600 --> 01:27:59,520
that are breaking. They're making us

2074
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:02,080
continually cut into that road. So, at

2075
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:04,639
some point, all of South Willow will

2076
01:28:04,639 --> 01:28:07,040
need to be reconstructed,

2077
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:09,679
but not yet. So,

2078
01:28:09,679 --> 01:28:11,040
>> keep this in mind, though, for when she

2079
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:15,030
comes back for a while. [laughter]

2080
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:17,520
» And right now, we'll just kind of attack

2081
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:20,320
South Willow with trying to patch what's

2082
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:23,520
there, fix what we can. I don't

2083
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:25,440
recommend we tear unless we've got the

2084
01:28:25,440 --> 01:28:28,080
funds to work into utilities because the

2085
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:31,456
rule of thumb in municipalities it is is

2086
01:28:31,456 --> 01:28:33,120
[snorts] any road without a any

2087
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:34,880
utilities is always a million dollars a

2088
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:37,280
mile to to reconstruct. You start

2089
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:39,760
putting utilities into it. It's get

2090
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:41,600
takes a drastic jump to over four

2091
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:44,320
million per mile. And you don't want to

2092
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:46,800
tear into a road just to go and do the

2093
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:50,000
road because you start that vibration

2094
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:51,600
and the creation of all the equipment

2095
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:53,840
going in there to tear that up. You're

2096
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:55,360
just putting more stress on your water

2097
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:58,639
system, your sewer system. So you it

2098
01:28:58,639 --> 01:29:01,280
needs to kind of be planned out to where

2099
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:03,280
it's either done in phases, one section

2100
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:05,920
at a time. It's going to take time, but

2101
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,400
um my goal would be to let's get started

2102
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:10,639
somehow.

2103
01:29:10,639 --> 01:29:12,480
Can you can you tell me what kind of

2104
01:29:12,480 --> 01:29:14,800
warranty comes with some of these new

2105
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:16,239
equipment that we're getting?

2106
01:29:16,239 --> 01:29:18,480
>> Generally, one year is most of most of

2107
01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:20,080
the equipment unless the manufacturer

2108
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:22,080
like with a Seekmar truck. It's a

2109
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:24,480
Kenworth chassis. So, it would come with

2110
01:29:24,480 --> 01:29:26,480
whatever Kenworth offers on their

2111
01:29:26,480 --> 01:29:28,239
transmission. Sometimes it's four, you

2112
01:29:28,239 --> 01:29:30,480
know, three or 36 extended on some of

2113
01:29:30,480 --> 01:29:32,560
that stuff. It really depends on each

2114
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:34,000
individual piece of equipment. If we buy

2115
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:36,880
it used, we get basically what we do.

2116
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:39,199
Some companies offer an extended

2117
01:29:39,199 --> 01:29:43,280
warranty for that. So, um that's where I

2118
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:45,600
really go strongly on trying to put my

2119
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:47,600
hands on what I'm looking at use to make

2120
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:50,000
sure that um we're not buying something

2121
01:29:50,000 --> 01:30:00,310
that's been just shredded. So,

2122
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:04,080
one last question I think I've got and

2123
01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:06,960
whoever aspen probably. So, do we have

2124
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:09,840
to go out and and purchase this

2125
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:12,239
equipment from the government contracts

2126
01:30:12,239 --> 01:30:14,480
already negotiated or can we go out and

2127
01:30:14,480 --> 01:30:16,560
find our own equipment that may be

2128
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:18,000
cheaper somewhere else? What's that

2129
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:18,800
process?

2130
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:20,639
>> Yeah, absolutely. And Ben's worked on

2131
01:30:20,639 --> 01:30:22,639
that, but the government contract that I

2132
01:30:22,639 --> 01:30:24,639
mentioned earlier, there's various

2133
01:30:24,639 --> 01:30:27,199
companies for anything you can think of

2134
01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:29,440
that's contracted with the state um

2135
01:30:29,440 --> 01:30:31,679
through uh UP3. it's their state

2136
01:30:31,679 --> 01:30:35,360
contract um that is companies trying to

2137
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:38,000
get in the good graces to have low rates

2138
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:40,000
to get more business from

2139
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:42,480
municipalities. So you can absolutely go

2140
01:30:42,480 --> 01:30:44,639
out and

2141
01:30:44,639 --> 01:30:47,040
like you know bargain or negotiate other

2142
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:48,800
deals elsewhere. You don't have to use

2143
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:51,760
state contract. Um, we do steer towards

2144
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:53,440
state contract because typically that is

2145
01:30:53,440 --> 01:30:55,360
the lowest price, but you can absolutely

2146
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:57,920
spend time and effort in looking for at

2147
01:30:57,920 --> 01:30:59,920
other avenues and you may find a cheaper

2148
01:30:59,920 --> 01:31:03,120
option which would be great, but state

2149
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:04,639
contract is typically already that

2150
01:31:04,639 --> 01:31:06,159
lowest negotiated price that you're

2151
01:31:06,159 --> 01:31:08,239
going to be able to find in the state.

2152
01:31:08,239 --> 01:31:08,800
So,

2153
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:11,280
>> I do encourage that we use someone

2154
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:14,000
that's reputable and is going to stand

2155
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:15,920
behind their equipment. You mentioned

2156
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:18,560
CAT. I agree with you. cat skidsters.

2157
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:21,280
They they sink after the dozers. Those

2158
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:24,800
are probably the most powerful minis

2159
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:27,280
skidsters that are out there. So, but

2160
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:29,840
they also have a parts department. They

2161
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:31,440
have they stand behind their stuff and

2162
01:31:31,440 --> 01:31:32,719
if something goes down, they'll bring

2163
01:31:32,719 --> 01:31:34,320
another piece of equipment out and drop

2164
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:35,280
it. And

2165
01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:35,760
>> yes,

2166
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:37,840
>> so whoever we choose or the whatever

2167
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:39,040
direction we go, I just want to make

2168
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:40,560
sure that they stand behind what they're

2169
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:41,520
selling us. So,

2170
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:43,120
>> I can assure you that Seek Meer with the

2171
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:45,840
chip truck is they're spot on with their

2172
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:47,440
customer service. They're out here. If

2173
01:31:47,440 --> 01:31:48,800
you have an issue, they're out. They

2174
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:51,440
send a guy from South Carolina. The

2175
01:31:51,440 --> 01:31:53,120
company originates out of France and

2176
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:55,120
usually their their service techs are

2177
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:59,199
French and they come out and they are very stickler about making sure

2178
01:31:59,199 --> 01:32:03,360
that their name stays where it's at. And

2179
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:05,920
they they own BowG. They're they own

2180
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:07,600
some of the largest companies in the

2181
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:12,790
United States. So,

2182
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:14,080
» and there's just not another

2183
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:23,669
manufacturer for that particular

2184
01:32:23,679 --> 01:32:28,790
Any other discussion?

2185
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:31,840
Thank you Christie Ben Aspen for all the

2186
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:34,239
information. Done a great job of getting

2187
01:32:34,239 --> 01:32:42,629
that all put together.

2188
01:32:42,639 --> 01:32:44,320
Mayor, I make a motion that we approve

2189
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:47,120
resolution 2026-22

2190
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:48,880
approving the expenditure of class C

2191
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:50,960
road funds for the road department

2192
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:52,320
equipment.

2193
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:54,080
>> We have a motion by council member

2194
01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:55,679
Butler. Is there a second?

2195
01:32:55,679 --> 01:32:56,960
>> I'll second the motion.

2196
01:32:56,960 --> 01:32:58,560
>> We have a second by council member

2197
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:00,800
Skinner. All in favor?

2198
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:02,400
>> I.

2199
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:04,480
>> Is that everybody?

2200
01:33:04,480 --> 01:33:06,639
>> Nay.

2201
01:33:06,639 --> 01:33:08,880
>> Roll call. Council member Butler,

2202
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:10,000
>> yay. [clears throat]

2203
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:10,639
>> Thomas,

2204
01:33:10,639 --> 01:33:11,520
>> yay.

2205
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:12,639
>> Williams,

2206
01:33:12,639 --> 01:33:13,520
>> yay.

2207
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:14,159
>> Skinner,

2208
01:33:14,159 --> 01:33:14,800
>> yay.

2209
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:15,440
>> Dalton,

2210
01:33:15,440 --> 01:33:17,840
>> nay.

2211
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:21,840
>> All right. Thank you very much.

2212
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:25,040
Uh, moving on to item number seven. This

2213
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:27,199
is also a public hearing item. uh

2214
01:33:27,199 --> 01:33:28,639
discussion and consideration of

2215
01:33:28,639 --> 01:33:30,960
ordinance 2026-16

2216
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:33,199
approving and adopting an updated

2217
01:33:33,199 --> 01:33:36,080
annexation policy plan repealing and

2218
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:38,239
replacing the prior annexation policy

2219
01:33:38,239 --> 01:33:40,239
plans and providing for an effective

2220
01:33:40,239 --> 01:33:41,760
date

2221
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:44,159
and we have Bill here to talk about this

2222
01:33:44,159 --> 01:33:46,880
and after the presentation um there will

2223
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:48,480
be a time for public comment if you

2224
01:33:48,480 --> 01:33:51,840
would like to make is that true yes it

2225
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:53,199
is okay

2226
01:33:53,199 --> 01:33:55,440
>> so we talked about this um a couple of

2227
01:33:55,440 --> 01:33:58,960
meetings ago and we have since uh

2228
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:00,880
adjusted according to state codes

2229
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:03,280
noticing requirements and so uh that's

2230
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:05,280
why we're seeing it again tonight. Um I

2231
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:08,080
don't have much more to add to it. Um

2232
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:10,400
it's uh they're in front of you and so

2233
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:11,679
if you have any questions let me know.

2234
01:34:11,679 --> 01:34:13,920
Otherwise uh you do have the planning

2235
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:15,440
commission recommendation for approval

2236
01:34:15,440 --> 01:34:19,760
on this as well. So um we're uh

2237
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:22,480
>> for the public since it is public

2238
01:34:22,480 --> 01:34:24,320
hearing we do like an initial overview

2239
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:24,960
of what it is.

2240
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:27,280
>> Yeah, of course. So um just to uh

2241
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:30,560
reiterate what we spoke about uh

2242
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:31,920
month ago, was it two meetings ago?

2243
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:32,719
>> I think it was two

2244
01:34:32,719 --> 01:34:35,440
>> two meetings ago. Last month um we spoke

2245
01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:37,920
about this and uh the annexation policy

2246
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:40,480
plan is intended to be a guiding

2247
01:34:40,480 --> 01:34:44,000
document for annexation in Grantsville

2248
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:46,239
and in the the unincorporated area

2249
01:34:46,239 --> 01:34:48,800
surrounding Grantsville City. Um there

2250
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:50,159
are certain areas that we have

2251
01:34:50,159 --> 01:34:53,760
designated areas A, B, and C that uh

2252
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:55,679
will

2253
01:34:55,679 --> 01:34:58,560
uh be for consideration when the time

2254
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:01,920
comes for those areas to develop and or

2255
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:04,080
be annexed into a a neighboring

2256
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:10,480
municipality. What this does for us is state that if those areas were to be

2257
01:35:10,480 --> 01:35:14,480
um developed out and had interest in

2258
01:35:14,480 --> 01:35:16,639
annexing into the city or if the city

2259
01:35:16,639 --> 01:35:19,120
decided we wanted to annex property into

2260
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:23,600
the city. Um this this uh sets the stage

2261
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:25,440
for that and enables us to go out and

2262
01:35:25,440 --> 01:35:28,800
grab those lands as they come in. It

2263
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:30,400
doesn't create any obligations for the

2264
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:34,560
city. There's no um infrastructure

2265
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:36,400
look out there that we would be required

2266
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:38,960
to do. It would be understood that as

2267
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:42,159
these property owners and developers uh

2268
01:35:42,159 --> 01:35:44,480
look to develop these areas that they

2269
01:35:44,480 --> 01:35:47,120
would hook on to our existing system and

2270
01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:48,960
bring water shares and and other

2271
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:51,679
infrastructure with them. So the burden

2272
01:35:51,679 --> 01:35:53,760
would uh the initial burden at least

2273
01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:57,040
would not be on the uh city. It would be

2274
01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:59,520
on the properties to be annexed into the

2275
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:01,600
city.

2276
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:07,030
Um,

2277
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:08,960
state code requires that if we have the

2278
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:11,120
annexation policy in play, that we have

2279
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:13,040
an annexation policy in place and that

2280
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:17,440
it uh governs um how property is pulled

2281
01:36:17,440 --> 01:36:19,600
into the city if and when that time

2282
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:22,960
comes. Again, this isn't uh intended to

2283
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:26,800
be any kind of uh land grab or any kind

2284
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:30,719
of um indication of where we want to go.

2285
01:36:30,719 --> 01:36:33,040
It's it's saying these are areas that we

2286
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:35,920
can see as being part of the city and

2287
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:37,600
being a valuable part of the city at

2288
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:40,719
some point in the future. So uh it also

2289
01:36:40,719 --> 01:36:44,480
helps to uh guide additional uh adjacent

2290
01:36:44,480 --> 01:36:47,440
communities claims on property that may

2291
01:36:47,440 --> 01:36:51,840
be uh annexed in uh to adjacent

2292
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:56,719
municipalities. So um we would uh have

2293
01:36:56,719 --> 01:36:58,880
the first right of refusal as it were on

2294
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:01,679
some of these other properties if um

2295
01:37:01,679 --> 01:37:03,280
other communities wanted to look at

2296
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:07,910
that.

2297
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:09,440
» I got it. Thank you, Bill.

2298
01:37:09,440 --> 01:37:11,040
>> You bet.

2299
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:12,880
>> And I think at this point we'll open it

2300
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:14,719
up to public comment. If anybody would

2301
01:37:14,719 --> 01:37:17,679
like to make a comment on the annexation

2302
01:37:17,679 --> 01:37:21,199
uh policy plan, uh now is your time. And

2303
01:37:21,199 --> 01:37:22,639
if you're online and would like to make

2304
01:37:22,639 --> 01:37:31,990
a comment, please raise your hand.

2305
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:34,320
Anything online, Alicia?

2306
01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:37,360
Okay, we will close that public hearing

2307
01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:39,280
and

2308
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:40,960
we will turn to a discussion with the

2309
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:42,639
council. Is there anybody who has

2310
01:37:42,639 --> 01:37:45,040
anything they would like to add or

2311
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:47,199
questions or concerns they would like to

2312
01:37:47,199 --> 01:37:47,840
raise?

2313
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:49,040
>> This is the same one we looked at

2314
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:50,400
though. This this hasn't changed from

2315
01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:51,840
what we looked at. We just did pushed it

2316
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:53,520
off to do the public comment hearing,

2317
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:55,600
right? Okay. because it's amended. So, I

2318
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:56,960
didn't know this was this but this is

2319
01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:00,000
the same one we've looked at

2320
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:02,480
>> and we're following all the statutory

2321
01:38:02,480 --> 01:38:05,990
provisions.

2322
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:12,870
That's

2323
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:15,199
» Tyson, you've reviewed this as well.

2324
01:38:15,199 --> 01:38:16,480
We've seen it.

2325
01:38:16,480 --> 01:38:20,159
>> Okay. any concerns on it or questions?

2326
01:38:20,159 --> 01:38:23,199
>> No, it's a this is a this is a benefit

2327
01:38:23,199 --> 01:38:26,080
for the city to adopt the the annexation

2328
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:34,719
policy plan. We're required to do so by code and it also sets the stage for

2329
01:38:34,719 --> 01:38:38,719
um for for future potential for the

2330
01:38:38,719 --> 01:38:40,719
city. It doesn't it doesn't lock us in

2331
01:38:40,719 --> 01:38:43,440
or bind us in any way. Um but what it

2332
01:38:43,440 --> 01:38:45,520
does do is

2333
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:47,520
for example, If a property owner from

2334
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:50,719
one of these extr territorial

2335
01:38:50,719 --> 01:38:54,719
um pieces of property wanted to annex in

2336
01:38:54,719 --> 01:38:56,320
this doesn't automatically give them an

2337
01:38:56,320 --> 01:38:58,560
entitlement to coming in. They would

2338
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:00,080
have to engage in the in the normal

2339
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:01,760
process and they'd have to meet the

2340
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:05,520
criteria that was the the go through

2341
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:06,719
planning commission to come to city

2342
01:39:06,719 --> 01:39:09,679
council and uh we can even engage in

2343
01:39:09,679 --> 01:39:11,440
annexation

2344
01:39:11,440 --> 01:39:14,560
um agreements with them. So, so that you

2345
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:18,000
know there's a there's a a benefit to

2346
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:21,600
bringing new new uh new parcels into the

2347
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:24,639
city as opposed to a detriment and

2348
01:39:24,639 --> 01:39:29,669
liability of the city.

2349
01:39:29,679 --> 01:39:46,470
» Thank you.

2350
01:39:46,480 --> 01:39:48,239
Mayor, I'll make a motion that we

2351
01:39:48,239 --> 01:39:50,800
approve ordinance 2026-16

2352
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:53,040
approving and adopting an updated

2353
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:55,199
annexation policy plan repealing and

2354
01:39:55,199 --> 01:39:57,119
replacing the prior annex annexation

2355
01:39:57,119 --> 01:39:59,760
policy plans and providing for an

2356
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:01,440
effective date.

2357
01:40:01,440 --> 01:40:02,960
>> We have a motion by council member

2358
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:04,239
Dalton. Is there a second?

2359
01:40:04,239 --> 01:40:05,280
>> I'll second.

2360
01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:07,199
>> Second by council member Thomas. All in

2361
01:40:07,199 --> 01:40:10,000
favor? I

2362
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:13,679
>> All right. Passes. Thank you.

2363
01:40:13,679 --> 01:40:16,080
>> Um item number eight, consideration of

2364
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:18,560
resolution 2026-23

2365
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:21,040
of purchasing the approving the purchase

2366
01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:23,920
of a sewer vector truck and authorizing

2367
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:26,159
partial funding and financing. And this

2368
01:40:26,159 --> 01:40:28,159
will be presented by Marcus and Christie

2369
01:40:28,159 --> 01:40:32,470
from the public works department.

2370
01:40:32,480 --> 01:40:33,840
» Thank you guys. Sorry. Go ahead.

2371
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:36,000
>> Okay. Uh so Gransville City is looking

2372
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:38,159
to purchase a sewer vac truck with

2373
01:40:38,159 --> 01:40:42,159
partial funding. Uh each year we

2374
01:40:42,159 --> 01:40:44,320
grantsville city sewer department uh

2375
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:47,199
budgets to clean the the sewer system.

2376
01:40:47,199 --> 01:40:49,679
Grantsville city has approximately 90

2377
01:40:49,679 --> 01:40:52,080
miles of sewer sewer system.

2378
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:54,000
>> The cleaning of that has been going on

2379
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:55,600
recently. Right. That's what I've been

2380
01:40:55,600 --> 01:40:56,400
seeing on the

2381
01:40:56,400 --> 01:40:58,560
>> Yeah. Okay. We we actually currently

2382
01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:02,800
have a small ram jet, but that uh is was

2383
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:06,639
built in the it's a early 90s uh jet

2384
01:41:06,639 --> 01:41:08,639
roer. It does not have a back setup on

2385
01:41:08,639 --> 01:41:09,040
it.

2386
01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:09,600
>> Okay.

2387
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:12,239
>> So, we we really don't like to use it

2388
01:41:12,239 --> 01:41:14,400
too much because once you're jet rotting

2389
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:15,840
the sewer, you're actually bringing

2390
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:17,840
stuff down through the sewer system and

2391
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:19,840
you have no way of vac back trailering

2392
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:21,679
out. This truck would actually back

2393
01:41:21,679 --> 01:41:25,520
trailer any heavy material, gravel, uh

2394
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:29,520
sludge, grease. Uh we're also looking,

2395
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:31,920
this truck can also also be used to

2396
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:34,480
clean storm drains and it'll have a

2397
01:41:34,480 --> 01:41:36,800
hydro excavation package on it too. So

2398
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:39,520
it'll actually help with water jobs uh

2399
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:41,040
as well.

2400
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:42,800
uh we have we approximately have about

2401
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:47,360
1,600 manholes in our system and uh we

2402
01:41:47,360 --> 01:41:50,560
would like to take partial payment and

2403
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:54,159
uh every year I'm I think about the next

2404
01:41:54,159 --> 01:41:56,480
five to seven years to to pay for the

2405
01:41:56,480 --> 01:41:58,960
loan. So every year we have to to budget

2406
01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:01,199
for this anyway. So we're looking to

2407
01:42:01,199 --> 01:42:04,960
take that budget and just put towards a financial loan on this.

2408
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:07,199
>> How much are we paying for the cleaning

2409
01:42:07,199 --> 01:42:09,360
every year? So currently we budget about

2410
01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:12,159
$90,000 that goes towards cleaning the

2411
01:42:12,159 --> 01:42:14,400
sewer and it only cleans a portion. This

2412
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:16,239
way we'll be able to clean all of the

2413
01:42:16,239 --> 01:42:19,520
sewer with our team every year.

2414
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:22,719
>> And each year with the increasing size,

2415
01:42:22,719 --> 01:42:25,119
new development, whatnot, we we have to

2416
01:42:25,119 --> 01:42:27,679
ask for more each year. And

2417
01:42:27,679 --> 01:42:29,280
unfortunately, we don't it's still not

2418
01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:31,920
enough to clean what we need. And the

2419
01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:33,679
sewer system needs to be cleaned. It's

2420
01:42:33,679 --> 01:42:35,199
something you don't want to you don't

2421
01:42:35,199 --> 01:42:36,639
want to clean.

2422
01:42:36,639 --> 01:42:38,560
cuz if there is a backup, it can

2423
01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:42,000
actually it could be very costly and I

2424
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:44,719
would like to be or actually not have

2425
01:42:44,719 --> 01:42:47,119
any backups. That's my main goal is try

2426
01:42:47,119 --> 01:42:52,229
to avoid backups as much as possible.

2427
01:42:52,239 --> 01:42:53,920
» Has anyone ever had a backup in their

2428
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:55,840
basement? [laughter]

2429
01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:58,239
>> I have.

2430
01:42:58,239 --> 01:43:00,651
>> So you don't want that?

2431
01:43:00,651 --> 01:43:01,040
[laughter]

2432
01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:03,119
>> Unfortunately, they do happen, but we

2433
01:43:03,119 --> 01:43:04,480
want to try to avoid this as much as

2434
01:43:04,480 --> 01:43:06,239
possible.

2435
01:43:06,239 --> 01:43:08,000
And when we have emergencies, it's

2436
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:10,080
harder to get a get someone out here

2437
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:13,199
now. Uh the contractor that we use,

2438
01:43:13,199 --> 01:43:15,600
they're a great company, but it's if you

2439
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:17,920
want them out here the next day, you're

2440
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:22,320
it's not going to happen. So, it'd be a

2441
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:25,360
good truck to have. Uh and if we do have

2442
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:27,440
emergencies, uh we'd be able to be right

2443
01:43:27,440 --> 01:43:30,400
on top of it.

2444
01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:32,800
>> I I had more of a question regarding the

2445
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:34,560
functionality of the truck itself. I

2446
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:36,320
mean

2447
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:39,119
you can use these to locate lines etc.

2448
01:43:39,119 --> 01:43:40,000
Right.

2449
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:41,679
>> Yes.

2450
01:43:41,679 --> 01:43:44,400
>> So hydrox. So

2451
01:43:44,400 --> 01:43:46,960
would that classify I'm not would that

2452
01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:49,040
classify as something that could be used

2453
01:43:49,040 --> 01:43:51,360
in another department?

2454
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:53,760
Meaning could this classify as a class C

2455
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:55,920
if it was used in that setting or no? Or

2456
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:57,440
am I outside the

2457
01:43:57,440 --> 01:44:00,320
>> this truck I mean Christie can speak on

2458
01:44:00,320 --> 01:44:02,480
this but this truck will be used mainly

2459
01:44:02,480 --> 01:44:04,000
for the sewer. for the sewer.

2460
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:05,440
>> Yeah. And the storm drain.

2461
01:44:05,440 --> 01:44:07,119
>> Okay.

2462
01:44:07,119 --> 01:44:08,800
>> And for water lines, too. Right.

2463
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:12,239
>> Well, we have a back trailer that we use

2464
01:44:12,239 --> 01:44:15,440
right now on a lot of our water jobs.

2465
01:44:15,440 --> 01:44:17,040
>> But you don't want to crosscontaminate

2466
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:19,440
when you're cleaning. So, and it is a

2467
01:44:19,440 --> 01:44:21,679
lot smaller and we have lift stations

2468
01:44:21,679 --> 01:44:23,520
that are 30 foot deep and that won't do

2469
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:24,159
anything,

2470
01:44:24,159 --> 01:44:24,480
>> okay,

2471
01:44:24,480 --> 01:44:26,960
>> to clean our sewer. So, this suction

2472
01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:29,840
pipe will be an 8 in pipe.

2473
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:31,760
So, it'll be mainly [clears throat]

2474
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:34,400
clean grease and

2475
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:36,719
>> a lot of other fun stuff.

2476
01:44:36,719 --> 01:44:40,239
>> Do we have the expertise to be able to

2477
01:44:40,239 --> 01:44:42,080
run this truck?

2478
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:42,800
>> Yes,

2479
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:43,440
>> we do.

2480
01:44:43,440 --> 01:44:48,639
>> I have the experience. Uh I work with a contractor every year. Have been for

2481
01:44:48,639 --> 01:44:51,199
years. We've actually already we're

2482
01:44:51,199 --> 01:44:52,800
continuing training. We've already had

2483
01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:54,800
training and we're going to continue it

2484
01:44:54,800 --> 01:44:58,000
even when we purchase this truck.

2485
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:00,639
Are we going to need to hire?

2486
01:45:00,639 --> 01:45:06,000
I mean, there's always more need for for more help. [snorts]

2487
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:08,960
Um, when do you anticipate that there'll

2488
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:13,600
be uh more hiring due to purchasing

2489
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:15,360
something like this or any sort of

2490
01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:17,360
needs? Will there be anything like that?

2491
01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:19,280
>> Not currently for with the purchase of

2492
01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:22,000
this. It will come when the new sewer

2493
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:24,000
treatment plant comes online.

2494
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:25,760
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When the new sewer

2495
01:45:25,760 --> 01:45:27,280
plant comes, we're looking for one guy.

2496
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:29,679
But currently, we have uh men to operate

2497
01:45:29,679 --> 01:45:31,199
this truck.

2498
01:45:31,199 --> 01:45:32,239
>> You're running the sewer treatment

2499
01:45:32,239 --> 01:45:33,280
plant, right? I mean, to a certain

2500
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:34,000
extent.

2501
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:34,560
>> Yes.

2502
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:35,840
>> Yeah.

2503
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:38,480
>> You can't can't be all places at once.

2504
01:45:38,480 --> 01:45:40,880
>> I try to be [laughter] a great job,

2505
01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:43,748
Marcus.

2506
01:45:43,748 --> 01:45:46,629
[clears throat]

2507
01:45:46,639 --> 01:45:48,480
» I'll just say too, Marcus has gone out.

2508
01:45:48,480 --> 01:45:50,800
He's went to other municipalities,

2509
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:54,800
looked at more than one truck, and have

2510
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:57,040
settled on this would be and went off of

2511
01:45:57,040 --> 01:45:59,440
other recommendations that this would be

2512
01:45:59,440 --> 01:46:01,199
the best purchase.

2513
01:46:01,199 --> 01:46:03,920
>> Can we use this in storm as well?

2514
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:05,440
>> Same. Yes. So, you probably mentioned

2515
01:46:05,440 --> 01:46:07,920
that, but I missed it. So,

2516
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:09,600
>> okay.

2517
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:11,760
>> Ask what other municipalities you went

2518
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:12,880
to.

2519
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:16,400
Uh, Riverton, Eagle Mountain, uh, Salt

2520
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:18,239
Lake, uh,

2521
01:46:18,239 --> 01:46:22,960
>> Spanish Fork, Harrisville. I I Twilla. I

2522
01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:25,840
met with them several times. I tried I

2523
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:27,360
got a whole list.

2524
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:29,920
>> They have trucks similar to this or was

2525
01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:31,280
this their recommendation because they

2526
01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:32,000
had

2527
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:33,360
>> No.

2528
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:36,080
>> Yeah. So we went we actually a lot of

2529
01:46:36,080 --> 01:46:37,840
cities actually will have a truck just

2530
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:40,159
for storm drain and they'll have trucks

2531
01:46:40,159 --> 01:46:43,199
just for for sewer. So you kind of have

2532
01:46:43,199 --> 01:46:45,760
a mixed bag there. But talking to many

2533
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:48,080
operators and and what we experienced

2534
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:50,000
this truck would be best for cleaning

2535
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:55,109
sewers.

2536
01:46:55,119 --> 01:46:57,440
Um you don't want to go cheap on a back

2537
01:46:57,440 --> 01:47:01,199
truck. I mean it is a lot of money but

2538
01:47:01,199 --> 01:47:04,159
yeah you you buy the wrong one and it

2539
01:47:04,159 --> 01:47:05,840
just doesn't work.

2540
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:06,639
>> Yeah.

2541
01:47:06,639 --> 01:47:07,840
>> You don't buy used.

2542
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:08,560
>> No. No.

2543
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:09,760
>> Yeah. There [laughter] there is used

2544
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:12,000
options out there but these are they can

2545
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:12,880
be costly.

2546
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:14,159
>> Everyone has said that

2547
01:47:14,159 --> 01:47:16,320
>> there's a reason why they're used.

2548
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:17,360
>> So

2549
01:47:17,360 --> 01:47:19,379
>> and for sale

2550
01:47:19,379 --> 01:47:20,239
[laughter]

2551
01:47:20,239 --> 01:47:21,520
want to buy a new one and you want to

2552
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:23,040
buy

2553
01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:25,199
>> factors the best.

2554
01:47:25,199 --> 01:47:27,040
So,

2555
01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:28,159
>> so the plan is to use [clears throat]

2556
01:47:28,159 --> 01:47:31,119
300,000 of the budget and then loan out

2557
01:47:31,119 --> 01:47:33,119
the rest. Do a loan for the rest.

2558
01:47:33,119 --> 01:47:33,840
>> 100,000.

2559
01:47:33,840 --> 01:47:35,920
>> Oh, I thought it said budgeted.

2560
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:38,159
>> So, there's 200 in the budget line right

2561
01:47:38,159 --> 01:47:38,320
now.

2562
01:47:38,320 --> 01:47:39,520
>> Oh, so we're going to use a hundred of

2563
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:41,600
that and then the rest will be

2564
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:42,719
>> on a loan of 70.

2565
01:47:42,719 --> 01:47:43,600
>> That's correct.

2566
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:46,080
>> And 90,000 we're already paying to have

2567
01:47:46,080 --> 01:47:48,239
somebody else come and do a portion of

2568
01:47:48,239 --> 01:47:49,920
our sewer. We can't do it all because

2569
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:52,719
that contracted amount doesn't cover

2570
01:47:52,719 --> 01:47:54,239
90,000 doesn't cover the whole city

2571
01:47:54,239 --> 01:47:57,040
>> and that 90,000 will go to the loan

2572
01:47:57,040 --> 01:47:58,000
>> to the loan,

2573
01:47:58,000 --> 01:47:58,239
>> right?

2574
01:47:58,239 --> 01:48:00,239
>> And that will cover the loan for the

2575
01:48:00,239 --> 01:48:02,560
>> Okay.

2576
01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:04,639
>> Plus the 100. [laughter]

2577
01:48:04,639 --> 01:48:04,960
So

2578
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:06,080
>> plus the 100 that we have.

2579
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:08,400
>> Yeah. That we're we have 200 in the

2580
01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:10,000
budget right now. So we'll use a hundred

2581
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:11,600
of a down.

2582
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:15,440
>> And then we'll have to budget

2583
01:48:15,440 --> 01:48:18,239
uh the payment plan. Did I don't include

2584
01:48:18,239 --> 01:48:21,600
that? I think it's about 110 per year.

2585
01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:25,280
>> So, in the past when we've had an issue

2586
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:27,600
like obviously these issues get larger

2587
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:31,679
by the second. So, um how have we

2588
01:48:31,679 --> 01:48:33,360
addressed that not have I mean obviously

2589
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:34,880
we have a piece of equipment that we've

2590
01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:38,000
been trying to use. Has that worked and

2591
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:41,360
so we we're at the behest of how we can

2592
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:43,280
get a another machine.

2593
01:48:43,280 --> 01:48:45,520
>> Yeah. whether it's been Twin D or Twilla

2594
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:47,199
Valley Pumping or whoever, we can get

2595
01:48:47,199 --> 01:48:49,679
out here as as quickly as they can come.

2596
01:48:49,679 --> 01:48:51,119
>> And on those emergency calls, they're

2597
01:48:51,119 --> 01:48:53,600
about 5 to $10,000 every time I have to

2598
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:54,960
call them to come to do that.

2599
01:48:54,960 --> 01:48:57,840
>> And that could be just a onetime deal.

2600
01:48:57,840 --> 01:48:59,040
>> Yeah.

2601
01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:00,239
>> But this truck will then take care of

2602
01:49:00,239 --> 01:49:02,800
that. We won't have to

2603
01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:04,835
>> I feel like I'm in a man's world.

2604
01:49:04,835 --> 01:49:07,189
[laughter]

2605
01:49:07,199 --> 01:49:10,080
Sorry.

2606
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:14,480
um any sort of uh additional insurance,

2607
01:49:14,480 --> 01:49:16,560
liability insurance that we may need to

2608
01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:19,199
have or cover by us doing it that a

2609
01:49:19,199 --> 01:49:22,239
contractor takes on themselves that that

2610
01:49:22,239 --> 01:49:26,159
may may we may not already have in place

2611
01:49:26,159 --> 01:49:26,400
that

2612
01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:30,470
>> coverage.

2613
01:49:30,480 --> 01:49:33,280
» What you're saying is by using it and if

2614
01:49:33,280 --> 01:49:37,280
we cause a problem by using it. Yes,

2615
01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:39,440
that's

2616
01:49:39,440 --> 01:49:40,880
because the contractor would take on

2617
01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:45,360
that liability if they caused an issue.

2618
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:47,040
>> Just curious,

2619
01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:49,920
>> we carry like so obviously the vehicle

2620
01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:51,600
would be insured through city and then

2621
01:49:51,600 --> 01:49:53,360
grful city does have like a general

2622
01:49:53,360 --> 01:49:55,440
liability insurance policy already

2623
01:49:55,440 --> 01:49:57,119
placed into the trust that we pay for

2624
01:49:57,119 --> 01:49:59,119
that something if it did become

2625
01:49:59,119 --> 01:50:01,199
expensive would

2626
01:50:01,199 --> 01:50:02,960
come into play. So we it would be

2627
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:04,719
covered under that policy that we do our

2628
01:50:04,719 --> 01:50:09,189
pay for it at that place.

2629
01:50:09,199 --> 01:50:10,800
» I think from a liability standpoint

2630
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:12,480
though and I I just needed to ask the

2631
01:50:12,480 --> 01:50:15,119
question but sucking the bad stuff out

2632
01:50:15,119 --> 01:50:16,560
actually eliminates the liability

2633
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:18,159
because that's the liability. So I mean

2634
01:50:18,159 --> 01:50:22,239
that's why we're doing it

2635
01:50:22,239 --> 01:50:23,840
sludge.

2636
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:25,679
>> Did you look into

2637
01:50:25,679 --> 01:50:28,320
>> any other suppliers besides own like

2638
01:50:28,320 --> 01:50:28,639
>> Yeah.

2639
01:50:28,639 --> 01:50:29,199
>> Yes.

2640
01:50:29,199 --> 01:50:30,080
>> Yeah. And they

2641
01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:32,639
>> Yeah. So, we looked at three I'll let

2642
01:50:32,639 --> 01:50:33,600
Marcus speak.

2643
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:35,199
>> Yeah. So, we we spoke with a couple

2644
01:50:35,199 --> 01:50:37,600
other companies. Uh, one truck was

2645
01:50:37,600 --> 01:50:39,440
pretty close to this price. One was a

2646
01:50:39,440 --> 01:50:41,119
lot cheaper

2647
01:50:41,119 --> 01:50:45,360
uh by about 80,000 but it the truck was

2648
01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:48,400
smaller and we're looking at doing a 12

2649
01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:51,600
yard truck so it haul more. There's some

2650
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:53,360
areas, you know, getting out there and

2651
01:50:53,360 --> 01:50:54,719
coming back and forth hauling the

2652
01:50:54,719 --> 01:50:56,960
material back does take a little longer.

2653
01:50:56,960 --> 01:50:59,280
So, we're looking at a 12 yard truck. So

2654
01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:01,440
if you actually put 12 yard on that

2655
01:51:01,440 --> 01:51:02,800
actually come out to about the same

2656
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:05,760
price. But we did go through three

2657
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:10,709
different trucks manufacturers.

2658
01:51:10,719 --> 01:51:13,679
» And Owen is also on state contract. So

2659
01:51:13,679 --> 01:51:16,000
>> the best price.

2660
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:17,360
>> I don't know though. Does the government

2661
01:51:17,360 --> 01:51:19,766
really pay the best price for things

2662
01:51:19,766 --> 01:51:21,600
[laughter]

2663
01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:23,679
>> that that's why I asked the

2664
01:51:23,679 --> 01:51:28,480
>> the UP3 up UP3 website and and the the

2665
01:51:28,480 --> 01:51:30,480
process that everyone goes through to to

2666
01:51:30,480 --> 01:51:32,320
get those state contracts, they do have

2667
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:35,280
to bid those out and and they um they

2668
01:51:35,280 --> 01:51:37,679
get the best price for whoever

2669
01:51:37,679 --> 01:51:39,599
submitted.

2670
01:51:39,599 --> 01:51:42,239
So in answer to your question,

2671
01:51:42,239 --> 01:51:43,599
>> they go through like a bid process

2672
01:51:43,599 --> 01:51:45,599
similar to like we would on a project.

2673
01:51:45,599 --> 01:51:47,599
The state does something similar to

2674
01:51:47,599 --> 01:51:49,760
determine a contractor that would be on

2675
01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:52,080
state contract for the items

2676
01:51:52,080 --> 01:51:53,040
>> or supplier.

2677
01:51:53,040 --> 01:51:55,199
>> Yeah, exactly.

2678
01:51:55,199 --> 01:51:57,599
>> This truck does they did it does come

2679
01:51:57,599 --> 01:52:00,080
with fiveyear warranty on it. the truck

2680
01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:02,960
itself. Sorry, the vac truck and then

2681
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:04,639
Freightlininer will be the truck and

2682
01:52:04,639 --> 01:52:06,480
that'll be through Freightlininer. But

2683
01:52:06,480 --> 01:52:08,560
the vac truck itself has a 5year

2684
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:11,760
warranty on it. Bumper to bumper.

2685
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:14,132
>> No, just on the vax back equipment.

2686
01:52:14,132 --> 01:52:36,070
[laughter]

2687
01:52:36,080 --> 01:52:40,400
Anyone have any other questions or

2688
01:52:40,400 --> 01:52:42,480
comments?

2689
01:52:42,480 --> 01:52:44,239
>> Mayor, I make a motion. We move to

2690
01:52:44,239 --> 01:52:47,520
approve resolution 2026-23

2691
01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:50,719
approving the purchase of a sewer vector

2692
01:52:50,719 --> 01:52:52,800
truck and authorizing partial funding

2693
01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:55,280
and financing. We have a motion by

2694
01:52:55,280 --> 01:52:57,440
council member Thomas. Is there a

2695
01:52:57,440 --> 01:52:58,560
second?

2696
01:52:58,560 --> 01:52:59,280
>> Second.

2697
01:52:59,280 --> 01:53:01,280
>> A second by council member Butler. All

2698
01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:02,960
in favor?

2699
01:53:02,960 --> 01:53:06,880
>> I say nay. I think it's overkill.

2700
01:53:06,880 --> 01:53:09,360
>> Okay. Uh, roll call. Council member

2701
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:10,320
Butler,

2702
01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:11,360
>> yay.

2703
01:53:11,360 --> 01:53:12,080
>> Thomas,

2704
01:53:12,080 --> 01:53:12,639
>> yay.

2705
01:53:12,639 --> 01:53:13,760
>> Williams,

2706
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:14,719
>> yay.

2707
01:53:14,719 --> 01:53:15,280
>> Skinner,

2708
01:53:15,280 --> 01:53:15,760
>> yay.

2709
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:16,480
>> Dalton,

2710
01:53:16,480 --> 01:53:17,599
>> nay.

2711
01:53:17,599 --> 01:53:23,830
>> Thank you.

2712
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:25,520
All right. Item number nine,

2713
01:53:25,520 --> 01:53:29,199
consideration of resolution 2026-21

2714
01:53:29,199 --> 01:53:30,560
approving the surplus of a

2715
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:32,800
decommissioned police department vehicle

2716
01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:36,719
presented by Chief Sager.

2717
01:53:36,719 --> 01:53:39,199
>> Mayor, council, thank you. Um, I'm

2718
01:53:39,199 --> 01:53:41,760
looking to offload something, not pick

2719
01:53:41,760 --> 01:53:44,480
something up as come to its depreciation

2720
01:53:44,480 --> 01:53:47,199
time. We had two that came came forward.

2721
01:53:47,199 --> 01:53:49,199
We're able to mechanic thought we could

2722
01:53:49,199 --> 01:53:50,960
use one transfer it to code enforcement

2723
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:52,719
because it's a part-time job and and

2724
01:53:52,719 --> 01:53:55,679
this one was recommended for surplus.

2725
01:53:55,679 --> 01:53:57,840
So, it's been in our fleet since 2018.

2726
01:53:57,840 --> 01:54:01,119
It's just got under 100,000 miles on it.

2727
01:54:01,119 --> 01:54:03,520
has some mechanical issues that uh

2728
01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:05,599
Riley didn't think was worth fixing and

2729
01:54:05,599 --> 01:54:08,159
time to get what money we can out of it.

2730
01:54:08,159 --> 01:54:18,950
So, that's what we have.

2731
01:54:18,960 --> 01:54:20,960
Can we walk through the decommissioning

2732
01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:23,280
process really quick? That's news, a

2733
01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:24,800
little bit new to me as far as what

2734
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:26,960
processes followed there.

2735
01:54:26,960 --> 01:54:29,440
>> Last year, we presented it um in the

2736
01:54:29,440 --> 01:54:31,520
budget that I would need to looking at

2737
01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:33,440
these two. So about a year ago, I was

2738
01:54:33,440 --> 01:54:36,639
looking at this and then once once we

2739
01:54:36,639 --> 01:54:38,800
were approved for new vehicles, then we

2740
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:41,280
started we kept these until the new

2741
01:54:41,280 --> 01:54:42,880
vehicles were up and running and then we

2742
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:44,719
started tearing down all the equipment,

2743
01:54:44,719 --> 01:54:46,480
the older equipment that either work

2744
01:54:46,480 --> 01:54:49,040
that can be put into the new ones or

2745
01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:51,040
that the electrical equipment goes out

2746
01:54:51,040 --> 01:54:53,280
and you just kind of have to replace. So

2747
01:54:53,280 --> 01:54:55,040
it kind of goes by each vehicle. Like

2748
01:54:55,040 --> 01:54:57,520
right now I drive a 2012 truck and I

2749
01:54:57,520 --> 01:54:59,440
I'll probably be in that forever just

2750
01:54:59,440 --> 01:55:01,040
because I don't do the wear and tear

2751
01:55:01,040 --> 01:55:03,119
that patrol does, right? Because this

2752
01:55:03,119 --> 01:55:04,639
was a patrol vehicle. It's out running

2753
01:55:04,639 --> 01:55:06,239
around all the time. Investigation

2754
01:55:06,239 --> 01:55:07,599
vehicles are a little different. So

2755
01:55:07,599 --> 01:55:08,960
decommissioning is a little different on

2756
01:55:08,960 --> 01:55:10,320
those. We'll keep those a little longer

2757
01:55:10,320 --> 01:55:12,800
because they're not out running around,

2758
01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:15,119
you know, um going emergency calls and

2759
01:55:15,119 --> 01:55:16,239
things like that. But the patrol

2760
01:55:16,239 --> 01:55:18,560
vehicles, they have a little bit tighter

2761
01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:21,040
um window and it just depends on the

2762
01:55:21,040 --> 01:55:22,480
vehicle, but they usually last up to

2763
01:55:22,480 --> 01:55:25,760
five, six years. Um, some of them can be

2764
01:55:25,760 --> 01:55:27,920
lemons and we get rid of them sooner.

2765
01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:30,560
So,

2766
01:55:30,560 --> 01:55:31,920
>> and then if it's approved, then it goes

2767
01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:33,520
to public auction and then it's

2768
01:55:33,520 --> 01:55:36,400
auctioned off public auction website.

2769
01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:38,080
>> Yeah, Marie will take care of all that.

2770
01:55:38,080 --> 01:55:44,390
Um, a city staff member over here.

2771
01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:47,599
» Any idea how much we may get for

2772
01:55:47,599 --> 01:55:49,599
a a Dodge Ringo like this?

2773
01:55:49,599 --> 01:55:51,760
>> I don't know. I watch auctions quite a

2774
01:55:51,760 --> 01:55:54,639
bit. I I would say

2775
01:55:54,639 --> 01:55:58,159
I'd say minimum 10. Yeah, I would think

2776
01:55:58,159 --> 01:55:59,520
depend. I don't know. The economy is a

2777
01:55:59,520 --> 01:56:00,880
little different right now. So, it's

2778
01:56:00,880 --> 01:56:04,800
kind of Yeah, we see it everywhere else.

2779
01:56:04,800 --> 01:56:08,480
>> But the ones I've I see 10ish, I would

2780
01:56:08,480 --> 01:56:15,679
say. Last year, I estimated it uh up to 15, but I just don't think it's

2781
01:56:15,679 --> 01:56:19,280
there yet or this year.

2782
01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:23,920
That's just my guess on what I've seen.

2783
01:56:23,920 --> 01:56:26,159
Thank you.

2784
01:56:26,159 --> 01:56:28,639
>> Thank you, Chief.

2785
01:56:28,639 --> 01:56:30,000
>> Thank you. That sounds good. We're

2786
01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:31,920
actually making some gummy. [laughter]

2787
01:56:31,920 --> 01:56:35,119
>> Let's put this towards the back track

2788
01:56:35,119 --> 01:56:36,639
that

2789
01:56:36,639 --> 01:56:37,440
>> goes through.

2790
01:56:37,440 --> 01:56:38,800
>> I know. I know.

2791
01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:40,239
>> I don't know where it goes. I would hope

2792
01:56:40,239 --> 01:56:41,920
it goes back to equipment to put into

2793
01:56:41,920 --> 01:56:43,840
the new ones, but it goes to general

2794
01:56:43,840 --> 01:56:47,270
fund wherever it goes from there. Yeah.

2795
01:56:47,270 --> 01:56:47,760
[laughter] There

2796
01:56:47,760 --> 01:56:48,960
>> you go.

2797
01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:53,109
>> We'll try to get it back to you.

2798
01:56:53,119 --> 01:56:54,800
Mayor, I make a motion. We move to

2799
01:56:54,800 --> 01:56:57,599
approve resolution 202621 approving the

2800
01:56:57,599 --> 01:56:59,440
surplus of a decommissioned police

2801
01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:01,520
department vehicle.

2802
01:57:01,520 --> 01:57:03,199
>> We have a motion by council member

2803
01:57:03,199 --> 01:57:05,280
Thomas. Is there a second?

2804
01:57:05,280 --> 01:57:06,400
>> I'll second the motion.

2805
01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:08,400
>> A second by council member Skinner. All

2806
01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:09,360
in favor?

2807
01:57:09,360 --> 01:57:10,800
>> I.

2808
01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:14,080
>> Thank you.

2809
01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:16,960
Agenda item number 10, presentation of a

2810
01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:18,960
concept plan for the Sunage Terrace

2811
01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:21,840
subdivision phases 4 through six. And

2812
01:57:21,840 --> 01:57:23,679
just a reminder, this is a presentation

2813
01:57:23,679 --> 01:57:26,480
and discussion item only. We will not be

2814
01:57:26,480 --> 01:57:29,119
taking any action on this agenda item

2815
01:57:29,119 --> 01:57:37,030
tonight.

2816
01:57:37,040 --> 01:57:39,679
» So do we have you have the concept?

2817
01:57:39,679 --> 01:57:42,080
>> Do you have that Alia? Oh, this is Well,

2818
01:57:42,080 --> 01:57:43,679
this is the only thing.

2819
01:57:43,679 --> 01:57:45,199
>> Okay, that's Yeah, that's pretty much

2820
01:57:45,199 --> 01:57:47,360
what we were looking at doing.

2821
01:57:47,360 --> 01:57:50,000
>> Um, I've been working with staff for

2822
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:51,360
quite a few months trying to come up

2823
01:57:51,360 --> 01:57:55,599
with a concept that works here for us.

2824
01:57:55,599 --> 01:57:58,880
Uh couple of things that we ran into was

2825
01:57:58,880 --> 01:58:02,960
on the very far west side the staff is

2826
01:58:02,960 --> 01:58:04,719
requiring us to put that main collector

2827
01:58:04,719 --> 01:58:08,239
road in. And they felt like it wasn't

2828
01:58:08,239 --> 01:58:09,920
fair to push half of it onto the

2829
01:58:09,920 --> 01:58:12,320
neighbors. So they requiring us to put

2830
01:58:12,320 --> 01:58:15,199
the whole road and I can't remember how

2831
01:58:15,199 --> 01:58:18,316
wide is the road.

2832
01:58:18,316 --> 01:58:18,400
[clears throat]

2833
01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:21,440
>> Yeah. There how wide that road that be?

2834
01:58:21,440 --> 01:58:23,520
>> It's a 90 foot road and then Main

2835
01:58:23,520 --> 01:58:27,040
Street. How wide is Main Street there?

2836
01:58:27,040 --> 01:58:29,520
>> 108.

2837
01:58:29,520 --> 01:58:31,199
>> Yeah. See, Main Street kind of starts

2838
01:58:31,199 --> 01:58:33,440
there and then it has a jog.

2839
01:58:33,440 --> 01:58:36,000
>> We weren't in the first couple phases we

2840
01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:38,800
did, we didn't do 108 foot wide road.

2841
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:42,000
So, we kind of ran into some issues

2842
01:58:42,000 --> 01:58:45,280
there of we lost quite a few lots and

2843
01:58:45,280 --> 01:58:46,960
then uh we they wanted some

2844
01:58:46,960 --> 01:58:49,040
connectability up there onto the north

2845
01:58:49,040 --> 01:58:51,599
to Matt Canyon which cost us another

2846
01:58:51,599 --> 01:58:53,599
lot. So, what we were what I was coming

2847
01:58:53,599 --> 01:58:56,080
to the city council tonight to propose

2848
01:58:56,080 --> 01:58:58,960
is this is requires halfacres. It's a

2849
01:58:58,960 --> 01:59:01,840
halfacre density. Um, everything in

2850
01:59:01,840 --> 01:59:04,320
yellow is halfacre or larger. And we

2851
01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:07,280
were wondering if they would guys would

2852
01:59:07,280 --> 01:59:09,760
give us a small variance. The the lots

2853
01:59:09,760 --> 01:59:12,960
in the black are 20,000 square feet or

2854
01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:14,880
just over 20,000. So, just barely

2855
01:59:14,880 --> 01:59:18,159
smaller than a half acre, but it still

2856
01:59:18,159 --> 01:59:21,520
overall is halfacre density. But by

2857
01:59:21,520 --> 01:59:23,199
putting all the roads in and stuff, we

2858
01:59:23,199 --> 01:59:24,560
did lose quite a few lots and we're

2859
01:59:24,560 --> 01:59:31,430
trying to get it up to a minimum of 128.

2860
01:59:31,440 --> 01:59:33,440
So, is there any other questions? Oh, we

2861
01:59:33,440 --> 01:59:35,599
do have uh some open space that's going

2862
01:59:35,599 --> 01:59:38,320
to be maintained by an HOA.

2863
01:59:38,320 --> 01:59:40,800
Um it's approximately I think it's 8

2864
01:59:40,800 --> 01:59:42,560
acres

2865
01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:45,679
8 7.8 acres I believe. If I can read

2866
01:59:45,679 --> 01:59:48,239
this. Yeah, 7.8 8 acres of open space

2867
01:59:48,239 --> 01:59:50,320
that we will have while walking trail

2868
01:59:50,320 --> 01:59:52,960
in.

2869
01:59:52,960 --> 01:59:55,280
>> Can you point out where that would be?

2870
01:59:55,280 --> 01:59:56,159
>> Yeah.

2871
01:59:56,159 --> 01:59:57,920
>> I mean, I see the area at the end of

2872
01:59:57,920 --> 01:59:59,679
Apple Mill Road. I'm assuming that's

2873
01:59:59,679 --> 02:00:00,320
where you're

2874
02:00:00,320 --> 02:00:01,360
>> Yeah, it's kind of hard to see in

2875
02:00:01,360 --> 02:00:02,880
yellow. So, there's some open space

2876
02:00:02,880 --> 02:00:04,880
here. There'll be a drainage ditch that

2877
02:00:04,880 --> 02:00:05,920
comes down through here and then

2878
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:08,080
there'll be a walking trail.

2879
02:00:08,080 --> 02:00:09,920
>> I don't believe it's on here. I think it

2880
02:00:09,920 --> 02:00:11,760
comes down and then comes around here. A

2881
02:00:11,760 --> 02:00:13,280
walking trail and then this will be some

2882
02:00:13,280 --> 02:00:15,599
open space there. Well, there on the end

2883
02:00:15,599 --> 02:00:18,183
of that Apple

2884
02:00:18,183 --> 02:00:21,109
[snorts]

2885
02:00:21,119 --> 02:00:22,880
said about seven acres.

2886
02:00:22,880 --> 02:00:40,390
>> Yeah, just over seven acres.

2887
02:00:40,400 --> 02:00:43,280
So, you're you're asking for 128 lots.

2888
02:00:43,280 --> 02:00:45,840
So if we had the road if the road wasn't

2889
02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:47,440
if you weren't being required to do the

2890
02:00:47,440 --> 02:00:50,719
road width where where were your lot

2891
02:00:50,719 --> 02:00:52,960
numbers before that?

2892
02:00:52,960 --> 02:00:53,679
>> 128.

2893
02:00:53,679 --> 02:00:56,159
>> So you're just trying to keep the same

2894
02:00:56,159 --> 02:00:57,679
keep put the roads in that are being

2895
02:00:57,679 --> 02:00:58,320
required.

2896
02:00:58,320 --> 02:01:05,510
>> Yeah. The wider roads, right? Trying to do that.

2897
02:01:05,520 --> 02:01:07,760
» So there is no increase in density.

2898
02:01:07,760 --> 02:01:11,430
>> There is not. No.

2899
02:01:11,440 --> 02:01:13,599
They would just be a little smaller than

2900
02:01:13,599 --> 02:01:16,239
the half acre I think that's required in

2901
02:01:16,239 --> 02:01:20,080
that zoning. I think at 21,780

2902
02:01:20,080 --> 02:01:22,000
square foot and these would be just like

2903
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:24,560
20,500 square feet or

2904
02:01:24,560 --> 02:01:27,520
>> you're talking 15600 square feet total.

2905
02:01:27,520 --> 02:01:28,080
>> Yeah. Total.

2906
02:01:28,080 --> 02:01:29,440
>> And this road on the left would that be

2907
02:01:29,440 --> 02:01:30,960
that nag green loop?

2908
02:01:30,960 --> 02:01:32,880
>> I'm sorry. The left of

2909
02:01:32,880 --> 02:01:34,880
>> ultimately we connect over with the

2910
02:01:34,880 --> 02:01:36,239
larger network that we're trying to

2911
02:01:36,239 --> 02:01:38,719
build

2912
02:01:38,719 --> 02:01:40,239
>> that we discussed yesterday.

2913
02:01:40,239 --> 02:01:42,000
>> Yeah.

2914
02:01:42,000 --> 02:01:44,320
And and that is the loop though I'm

2915
02:01:44,320 --> 02:01:45,840
not asking you. I know you're going what

2916
02:01:45,840 --> 02:01:49,040
are you talking city staff green.

2917
02:01:49,040 --> 02:01:51,920
Thank you. Arterial

2918
02:01:51,920 --> 02:01:55,114
classifial.

2919
02:01:55,124 --> 02:02:14,229
[clears throat]

2920
02:02:14,239 --> 02:02:17,440
Just a question I guess I have on the

2921
02:02:17,440 --> 02:02:21,040
opposite side of what we're calling

2922
02:02:21,040 --> 02:02:22,960
Who is the property owner there and why

2923
02:02:22,960 --> 02:02:25,760
is it being pushed onto his side?

2924
02:02:25,760 --> 02:02:27,119
>> It's being pushed on.

2925
02:02:27,119 --> 02:02:27,360
>> Yeah,

2926
02:02:27,360 --> 02:02:28,880
>> that's what I mean. Yeah.

2927
02:02:28,880 --> 02:02:30,480
>> Yeah, I can speak to that. So, Matt

2928
02:02:30,480 --> 02:02:34,880
Canyon um borders the next development

2929
02:02:34,880 --> 02:02:37,920
up. That's the uh

2930
02:02:37,920 --> 02:02:39,679
>> um

2931
02:02:39,679 --> 02:02:41,520
Matt Canyon development.

2932
02:02:41,520 --> 02:02:44,000
>> Okay. So imaginatively named Matt Canyon

2933
02:02:44,000 --> 02:02:46,560
Development. Um

2934
02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:49,920
this is that road of existing homes that

2935
02:02:49,920 --> 02:02:52,719
uh moves to the south from off of Matt

2936
02:02:52,719 --> 02:02:53,199
Canyon.

2937
02:02:53,199 --> 02:02:54,080
>> Taylor Road,

2938
02:02:54,080 --> 02:02:56,480
>> I think it's Taylor Road. Yeah. So uh

2939
02:02:56,480 --> 02:02:58,239
these are those homes on that.

2940
02:02:58,239 --> 02:03:00,320
>> So there are existing homes that will

2941
02:03:00,320 --> 02:03:01,440
border this.

2942
02:03:01,440 --> 02:03:03,599
>> Correct. That's why we're pushing this

2943
02:03:03,599 --> 02:03:04,480
over.

2944
02:03:04,480 --> 02:03:05,360
>> That's right. Okay.

2945
02:03:05,360 --> 02:03:07,520
>> So it has to be unless we wanted to go

2946
02:03:07,520 --> 02:03:09,599
in and condemn everyone's backyards up

2947
02:03:09,599 --> 02:03:12,159
there. um which is uh

2948
02:03:12,159 --> 02:03:13,119
>> not popular.

2949
02:03:13,119 --> 02:03:15,119
>> It's not popular. It's possible, but not

2950
02:03:15,119 --> 02:03:16,719
popular. That's a good way to put it.

2951
02:03:16,719 --> 02:03:20,709
>> I'm for it. [laughter]

2952
02:03:20,719 --> 02:03:21,199
» Um

2953
02:03:21,199 --> 02:03:23,599
>> unless you get your 128 units, right?

2954
02:03:23,599 --> 02:03:26,239
>> Yeah. [laughter] I understand.

2955
02:03:26,239 --> 02:03:28,159
>> Uh Larry's been good to work with. I

2956
02:03:28,159 --> 02:03:31,520
just wanted to comment on that. He's been responsive to staff's concerns

2957
02:03:31,520 --> 02:03:35,199
and requests um as we've worked together

2958
02:03:35,199 --> 02:03:38,239
to modify this into something that is uh

2959
02:03:38,239 --> 02:03:41,990
equally

2960
02:03:42,000 --> 02:03:43,520
frustrating,

2961
02:03:43,520 --> 02:03:46,400
equally desirable, equally uh beneficial

2962
02:03:46,400 --> 02:03:49,599
for everybody. And um it's uh it's been

2963
02:03:49,599 --> 02:03:51,280
an iterative process as we've worked

2964
02:03:51,280 --> 02:03:55,360
through. uh he's got a few phases of the

2965
02:03:55,360 --> 02:03:58,320
development that he's already installed

2966
02:03:58,320 --> 02:04:00,639
uh as indicated, but uh as we look

2967
02:04:00,639 --> 02:04:04,480
forward to finishing these ones out, um

2968
02:04:04,480 --> 02:04:07,920
this is what his request is. U staff

2969
02:04:07,920 --> 02:04:10,159
does have a concern in that uh if we do

2970
02:04:10,159 --> 02:04:13,520
allow for a relaxed application of this,

2971
02:04:13,520 --> 02:04:16,239
it would probably need to be put into a

2972
02:04:16,239 --> 02:04:18,480
master development agreement that would

2973
02:04:18,480 --> 02:04:21,119
do uh a couple of things for us. it

2974
02:04:21,119 --> 02:04:22,800
would lock in his entitlements and make

2975
02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:25,440
sure that this layout is is guaranteed

2976
02:04:25,440 --> 02:04:30,480
and um not subject to future

2977
02:04:30,480 --> 02:04:32,400
changes in the ordinance. But it would

2978
02:04:32,400 --> 02:04:34,719
also um

2979
02:04:34,719 --> 02:04:37,840
allow him to have the the flexibility to

2980
02:04:37,840 --> 02:04:41,599
come in under the uh required

2981
02:04:41,599 --> 02:04:43,360
uh minimum square footage for the zone

2982
02:04:43,360 --> 02:04:52,550
which is exactly one half acre. So the 21,07 whatever um

2983
02:04:52,560 --> 02:04:54,239
again it doesn't need to be a big

2984
02:04:54,239 --> 02:04:56,480
science project that way but it it would

2985
02:04:56,480 --> 02:04:58,560
be something that we would need to do in

2986
02:04:58,560 --> 02:05:00,560
order to provide that flexibility from

2987
02:05:00,560 --> 02:05:06,070
the strict requirements of the code

2988
02:05:06,080 --> 02:05:09,440
for lots 319 320 and 321 are those

2989
02:05:09,440 --> 02:05:10,960
already built

2990
02:05:10,960 --> 02:05:12,639
>> just off of Apple Mill Road right out of

2991
02:05:12,639 --> 02:05:13,840
that culde-sac

2992
02:05:13,840 --> 02:05:16,400
>> um everything outside of the blue line.

2993
02:05:16,400 --> 02:05:18,719
>> The the darker blue line.

2994
02:05:18,719 --> 02:05:19,920
>> 319.

2995
02:05:19,920 --> 02:05:22,560
>> Yeah. The bottom of that culdeacite,

2996
02:05:22,560 --> 02:05:24,480
right? To your left. Down.

2997
02:05:24,480 --> 02:05:25,119
>> No. Down

2998
02:05:25,119 --> 02:05:26,880
>> the south. The

2999
02:05:26,880 --> 02:05:29,760
>> No, the three to the your left.

3000
02:05:29,760 --> 02:05:31,599
>> Okay. No, they're not build. They'll be

3001
02:05:31,599 --> 02:05:33,520
part of phase three, which is

3002
02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:35,920
>> has been approved. We're just working

3003
02:05:35,920 --> 02:05:38,320
with staff to get the construction

3004
02:05:38,320 --> 02:05:40,400
drawings finalized and get started on

3005
02:05:40,400 --> 02:05:42,560
those. But that phase three had been

3006
02:05:42,560 --> 02:05:44,880
approved a year ago. I asked I think it

3007
02:05:44,880 --> 02:05:46,159
was brought up in planning commission

3008
02:05:46,159 --> 02:05:48,400
too. If we're going to make these lots

3009
02:05:48,400 --> 02:05:51,040
to the north smaller, is there any way

3010
02:05:51,040 --> 02:05:53,280
we can make those three lots smaller to

3011
02:05:53,280 --> 02:05:55,920
get so there's not that jut in in Main

3012
02:05:55,920 --> 02:05:57,840
Street? Is that something you'd be

3013
02:05:57,840 --> 02:06:00,400
willing to do or No,

3014
02:06:00,400 --> 02:06:03,280
>> I mean, I'd be willing to do it if it

3015
02:06:03,280 --> 02:06:07,520
didn't delay my start date on when I

3016
02:06:07,520 --> 02:06:08,800
could start on this phase because we're

3017
02:06:08,800 --> 02:06:10,239
pretty close to having everything ready

3018
02:06:10,239 --> 02:06:14,239
to where we can start turning dirt and going along. I mean, I think it

3019
02:06:14,239 --> 02:06:17,040
would be nice. I know, uh, staff has

3020
02:06:17,040 --> 02:06:18,719
asked if we would straighten the road

3021
02:06:18,719 --> 02:06:20,800
out, and I think if if we could work

3022
02:06:20,800 --> 02:06:23,440
with, uh, if they didn't hold up our

3023
02:06:23,440 --> 02:06:26,239
phase three approval, I mean, I I don't

3024
02:06:26,239 --> 02:06:28,320
think it's a big deal for us just to

3025
02:06:28,320 --> 02:06:29,520
draw a straight line across the

3026
02:06:29,520 --> 02:06:30,000
construction.

3027
02:06:30,000 --> 02:06:31,199
>> The hard one is going to be this one

3028
02:06:31,199 --> 02:06:33,280
that is just off of the

3029
02:06:33,280 --> 02:06:35,599
>> Yeah, that one there because that's

3030
02:06:35,599 --> 02:06:39,520
already sold. So, um I mean we could we

3031
02:06:39,520 --> 02:06:41,280
could do something to make it a little

3032
02:06:41,280 --> 02:06:45,040
bit less of an abrupt shift here, but it

3033
02:06:45,040 --> 02:06:47,920
doesn't really get us a whole lot. Um

3034
02:06:47,920 --> 02:06:51,599
this is a 33 foot cross-section here.

3035
02:06:51,599 --> 02:06:53,920
That's what that number is up. You can't

3036
02:06:53,920 --> 02:06:54,400
see it.

3037
02:06:54,400 --> 02:06:56,079
>> How big are those lots there, Bill?

3038
02:06:56,079 --> 02:06:57,199
They're bigger than a halfacre.

3039
02:06:57,199 --> 02:07:00,000
>> Yeah, these are 22,000. That's 21. So,

3040
02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:02,079
this is just over. This is just over.

3041
02:07:02,079 --> 02:07:03,520
This is a little bigger because it's got

3042
02:07:03,520 --> 02:07:05,360
this over here.

3043
02:07:05,360 --> 02:07:07,599
Um,

3044
02:07:07,599 --> 02:07:11,750
yeah,

3045
02:07:11,760 --> 02:07:13,840
we would like it just for aesthetics,

3046
02:07:13,840 --> 02:07:15,679
but as far as the flow and function of

3047
02:07:15,679 --> 02:07:17,599
the road, we're not going to be gaining

3048
02:07:17,599 --> 02:07:21,119
that much uh additional

3049
02:07:21,119 --> 02:07:23,440
uh capacity out of those three lots to

3050
02:07:23,440 --> 02:07:26,159
make it worth a big fight over.

3051
02:07:26,159 --> 02:07:27,760
>> But we could smooth that out.

3052
02:07:27,760 --> 02:07:29,280
>> It would smooth it out and maybe look

3053
02:07:29,280 --> 02:07:30,960
aesthetically more pleasing. But we

3054
02:07:30,960 --> 02:07:34,159
could also push that little dog leg over

3055
02:07:34,159 --> 02:07:36,719
to the west just a little bit more. So

3056
02:07:36,719 --> 02:07:38,639
that smooths it out on on the property

3057
02:07:38,639 --> 02:07:40,960
that um is not involved with the phase

3058
02:07:40,960 --> 02:07:43,760
three

3059
02:07:43,760 --> 02:07:45,360
>> because we have the open space there

3060
02:07:45,360 --> 02:07:48,079
that we could maybe take that smooth

3061
02:07:48,079 --> 02:07:49,760
that dog leg out into that as well.

3062
02:07:49,760 --> 02:07:52,000
>> Yeah, if if necessary. That something we

3063
02:07:52,000 --> 02:07:54,723
could look at there.

3064
02:07:54,723 --> 02:08:23,270
[clears throat]

3065
02:08:23,280 --> 02:08:26,800
Is there anything in in this agreement

3066
02:08:26,800 --> 02:08:31,040
that states that 128 lots

3067
02:08:31,040 --> 02:08:33,040
um is the maximum. I mean, I'm seeing it

3068
02:08:33,040 --> 02:08:34,719
here, but I just want to make sure that

3069
02:08:34,719 --> 02:08:39,199
it like this is where we stay. 128.

3070
02:08:39,199 --> 02:08:40,480
>> Yeah. We don't have an agreement, per

3071
02:08:40,480 --> 02:08:42,079
se. We would have to enter into an

3072
02:08:42,079 --> 02:08:44,320
agreement that would protect his

3073
02:08:44,320 --> 02:08:46,719
interests and entitlements as well as

3074
02:08:46,719 --> 02:08:50,639
give the city what we want. Um that's

3075
02:08:50,639 --> 02:08:51,920
typically how this kind of thing is

3076
02:08:51,920 --> 02:08:53,520
done. you get a a little bit of a

3077
02:08:53,520 --> 02:08:55,280
relaxed

3078
02:08:55,280 --> 02:08:57,920
maximum or minimum square footage rather

3079
02:08:57,920 --> 02:09:00,800
um on those lots so that they come in

3080
02:09:00,800 --> 02:09:03,840
and and um the number of units is what

3081
02:09:03,840 --> 02:09:06,079
is protected not necessarily the square

3082
02:09:06,079 --> 02:09:07,360
footage of each one

3083
02:09:07,360 --> 02:09:07,920
>> right

3084
02:09:07,920 --> 02:09:11,990
>> so

3085
02:09:12,000 --> 02:09:13,679
and I'm not sure how the math works out

3086
02:09:13,679 --> 02:09:16,159
but it's approximately

3087
02:09:16,159 --> 02:09:18,400
if I can read this 80 that's up here in

3088
02:09:18,400 --> 02:09:21,679
the corner it gives you that's 90 92.5

3089
02:09:21,679 --> 02:09:24,960
five seven acres and I'm not sure

3090
02:09:24,960 --> 02:09:26,400
exactly how the math would work out on

3091
02:09:26,400 --> 02:09:30,320
if that was halfacre lots. I think I did

3092
02:09:30,320 --> 02:09:33,920
some napkin math and it was about 132,

3093
02:09:33,920 --> 02:09:35,760
but you have to take in the roads and

3094
02:09:35,760 --> 02:09:37,440
stuff.

3095
02:09:37,440 --> 02:10:02,629
So, we're only asking for 128

3096
02:10:02,639 --> 02:10:04,000
We're just looking at Google Earth.

3097
02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:05,760
Sorry. You [laughter] guys got any

3098
02:10:05,760 --> 02:10:07,040
questions?

3099
02:10:07,040 --> 02:10:09,360
>> I'm trying to orient

3100
02:10:09,360 --> 02:10:11,679
>> the edges of this how they tie into what

3101
02:10:11,679 --> 02:10:12,960
we currently have.

3102
02:10:12,960 --> 02:10:15,520
>> So, are those north plots that backside

3103
02:10:15,520 --> 02:10:16,960
that's going to be Matt Canyon Road

3104
02:10:16,960 --> 02:10:18,239
right there?

3105
02:10:18,239 --> 02:10:18,800
>> Kirk.

3106
02:10:18,800 --> 02:10:19,199
>> Yeah.

3107
02:10:19,199 --> 02:10:22,000
>> No. No. Um maybe I need to Google Earth

3108
02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:23,360
too then. [laughter]

3109
02:10:23,360 --> 02:10:25,119
>> So it's going to be on the top.

3110
02:10:25,119 --> 02:10:27,440
>> This is Main Street here. This is the

3111
02:10:27,440 --> 02:10:30,000
extension of Main Street. This is

3112
02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:31,520
>> West

3113
02:10:31,520 --> 02:10:33,520
138 goes up this way.

3114
02:10:33,520 --> 02:10:34,880
>> Then you have

3115
02:10:34,880 --> 02:10:36,639
>> there. And then that canyon is you've

3116
02:10:36,639 --> 02:10:37,199
got the subdivision

3117
02:10:37,199 --> 02:10:40,480
>> above subdivision to the north.

3118
02:10:40,480 --> 02:10:41,840
>> And then on the other side of that is

3119
02:10:41,840 --> 02:10:43,199
where Desireette starts.

3120
02:10:43,199 --> 02:10:45,440
>> So the homes on Taylor Road, where do

3121
02:10:45,440 --> 02:10:48,239
they align with? I'm trying to see where

3122
02:10:48,239 --> 02:10:49,599
they align with the edge of this

3123
02:10:49,599 --> 02:10:50,159
property.

3124
02:10:50,159 --> 02:10:51,679
>> Right.

3125
02:10:51,679 --> 02:10:54,000
>> And they all have larger lots. So

3126
02:10:54,000 --> 02:10:55,920
>> on the left hand side is that that's

3127
02:10:55,920 --> 02:10:57,760
what I right along that side right

3128
02:10:57,760 --> 02:10:58,880
there. Right.

3129
02:10:58,880 --> 02:11:00,239
>> And then this is that that other

3130
02:11:00,239 --> 02:11:01,920
subdivision that's gone in with the much

3131
02:11:01,920 --> 02:11:05,440
larger lots. They're like several acres.

3132
02:11:05,440 --> 02:11:06,800
>> Yeah. They're five plus acres.

3133
02:11:06,800 --> 02:11:07,760
>> Yeah.

3134
02:11:07,760 --> 02:11:09,840
>> So 10.

3135
02:11:09,840 --> 02:11:12,320
>> Yeah. Unlikely to and unpopular like

3136
02:11:12,320 --> 02:11:15,599
that. unpopular to take 45 ft of their

3137
02:11:15,599 --> 02:11:18,079
backyard and only require him to do 45

3138
02:11:18,079 --> 02:11:19,679
ft

3139
02:11:19,679 --> 02:11:21,599
of the half width on his property, which

3140
02:11:21,599 --> 02:11:24,239
is what he's done here. That's 45 ft.

3141
02:11:24,239 --> 02:11:27,199
This is 33 and this expands to 45 right

3142
02:11:27,199 --> 02:11:29,280
through here.

3143
02:11:29,280 --> 02:11:33,350
So,

3144
02:11:33,360 --> 02:11:35,040
» you want me to put this up?

3145
02:11:35,040 --> 02:11:43,750
>> Yeah. Yeah, sure.

3146
02:11:43,760 --> 02:11:45,520
a little more to the west if you would

3147
02:11:45,520 --> 02:11:47,840
please.

3148
02:11:47,840 --> 02:12:10,709
>> Yeah, that road properties there.

3149
02:12:10,719 --> 02:12:12,320
You can see that the open space that's

3150
02:12:12,320 --> 02:12:14,960
to be dedicated is this gully that's

3151
02:12:14,960 --> 02:12:16,800
right through here.

3152
02:12:16,800 --> 02:12:19,599
So that would be

3153
02:12:19,599 --> 02:12:21,360
>> where that open space dedication would

3154
02:12:21,360 --> 02:12:24,239
be those uh a little bit down through

3155
02:12:24,239 --> 02:12:26,719
here and then Main Street you can see

3156
02:12:26,719 --> 02:12:30,480
would come over this way and

3157
02:12:30,480 --> 02:12:48,390
Yeah.

3158
02:12:48,400 --> 02:12:50,800
Anybody like to make a motion? Anybody

3159
02:12:50,800 --> 02:12:52,639
have any other question?

3160
02:12:52,639 --> 02:12:54,560
>> Oh, I'm sorry. You're right. I'm the one

3161
02:12:54,560 --> 02:12:55,199
that said it.

3162
02:12:55,199 --> 02:12:56,719
>> We'll take a motion.

3163
02:12:56,719 --> 02:12:57,599
>> Yeah. [laughter]

3164
02:12:57,599 --> 02:13:00,400
>> Okay. Could could I just give um just

3165
02:13:00,400 --> 02:13:03,840
the other council members um who may not

3166
02:13:03,840 --> 02:13:07,360
have been here when you were in last um

3167
02:13:07,360 --> 02:13:12,400
you brought forth a um a plan previously

3168
02:13:12,400 --> 02:13:14,320
that had

3169
02:13:14,320 --> 02:13:16,960
more density, right? plenty of open

3170
02:13:16,960 --> 02:13:25,119
spaces, parks, and um at the request of the the citizens, the neighbors, and

3171
02:13:25,119 --> 02:13:27,520
even the city council, we directed you

3172
02:13:27,520 --> 02:13:30,480
to just go with the halfacre lots and

3173
02:13:30,480 --> 02:13:34,480
just build um build build what you had.

3174
02:13:34,480 --> 02:13:38,159
So, um just kind of an FYI, that was the

3175
02:13:38,159 --> 02:13:41,599
direction we gave him in early 2025,

3176
02:13:41,599 --> 02:13:43,520
probably

3177
02:13:43,520 --> 02:13:46,079
maybe late 2024.

3178
02:13:46,079 --> 02:13:47,679
Yeah. Something like that. Been

3179
02:13:47,679 --> 02:13:49,199
>> going on for quite a while.

3180
02:13:49,199 --> 02:13:51,280
>> Yeah. Yeah. And Derek, you were involved

3181
02:13:51,280 --> 02:13:54,079
with planning and zoning um with all

3182
02:13:54,079 --> 02:13:55,920
that and I think planning and zone was

3183
02:13:55,920 --> 02:13:58,239
pretty much on the same page

3184
02:13:58,239 --> 02:14:06,069
>> um with city council. So,

3185
02:14:06,079 --> 02:14:08,239
any other discussion if this is not

3186
02:14:08,239 --> 02:14:09,760
something we're going to vote on

3187
02:14:09,760 --> 02:14:11,280
tonight? Does anyone have any other

3188
02:14:11,280 --> 02:14:13,520
direction to give?

3189
02:14:13,520 --> 02:14:14,880
>> I guess I had a question on on Brett.

3190
02:14:14,880 --> 02:14:16,159
So, you're saying is this closer to what

3191
02:14:16,159 --> 02:14:18,239
the city council wanted and

3192
02:14:18,239 --> 02:14:20,159
>> this is closer to the direction we gave

3193
02:14:20,159 --> 02:14:22,719
them? Yes. I mean,

3194
02:14:22,719 --> 02:14:24,239
yes.

3195
02:14:24,239 --> 02:14:26,480
>> Well, we would always like more open

3196
02:14:26,480 --> 02:14:27,760
space.

3197
02:14:27,760 --> 02:14:29,599
>> Um Yeah. I mean

3198
02:14:29,599 --> 02:14:31,119
>> I mean to me the lots still there's

3199
02:14:31,119 --> 02:14:33,679
still all at least 20,000 square feet.

3200
02:14:33,679 --> 02:14:36,560
They're all they're just under

3201
02:14:36,560 --> 02:14:38,320
>> half acre. The black is what we're

3202
02:14:38,320 --> 02:14:39,280
looking at, right? That are the

3203
02:14:39,280 --> 02:14:40,480
>> within 5%.

3204
02:14:40,480 --> 02:14:41,760
>> Right. It's not

3205
02:14:41,760 --> 02:14:43,448
>> Yeah. I guess what I was just seeking

3206
02:14:43,448 --> 02:14:44,719
[clears throat] tonight is just to see

3207
02:14:44,719 --> 02:14:46,000
if this is something you guys can get

3208
02:14:46,000 --> 02:14:47,840
behind before I go throw a whole lot

3209
02:14:47,840 --> 02:14:49,280
more money in the engineering and then

3210
02:14:49,280 --> 02:14:50,960
come back for final approval.

3211
02:14:50,960 --> 02:14:51,280
>> Yeah.

3212
02:14:51,280 --> 02:14:52,880
>> Then for guys to say, "Oh, no. It

3213
02:14:52,880 --> 02:14:54,880
doesn't meet requirements." So

3214
02:14:54,880 --> 02:14:56,560
>> then he will be taken on the full road

3215
02:14:56,560 --> 02:14:58,239
of

3216
02:14:58,239 --> 02:14:58,800
>> That's right.

3217
02:14:58,800 --> 02:14:59,599
>> Yeah.

3218
02:14:59,599 --> 02:15:01,360
>> Which is huge compared to because

3219
02:15:01,360 --> 02:15:02,560
usually it's split happen.

3220
02:15:02,560 --> 02:15:05,520
>> Yeah. And we can't front anything on

3221
02:15:05,520 --> 02:15:08,560
Main Street or Nigraine. We can't have

3222
02:15:08,560 --> 02:15:11,040
any lots fronting that. So that's one of

3223
02:15:11,040 --> 02:15:13,440
the reasons we did lose some some lots

3224
02:15:13,440 --> 02:15:16,079
on our original layout. We did have some

3225
02:15:16,079 --> 02:15:19,040
fronting onto that road. So that was one

3226
02:15:19,040 --> 02:15:20,079
of the challenges as well.

3227
02:15:20,079 --> 02:15:21,840
>> Alicia, can you move that back to see

3228
02:15:21,840 --> 02:15:24,000
Main Street?

3229
02:15:24,000 --> 02:15:26,800
>> So as far as the buildout of of Main

3230
02:15:26,800 --> 02:15:28,560
Street, because none of this is I mean

3231
02:15:28,560 --> 02:15:31,360
this is just a dirt road, right? This

3232
02:15:31,360 --> 02:15:32,320
Main Street.

3233
02:15:32,320 --> 02:15:34,000
>> Um no, Main Street is

3234
02:15:34,000 --> 02:15:35,040
>> up until you get

3235
02:15:35,040 --> 02:15:35,599
>> Oh, yes.

3236
02:15:35,599 --> 02:15:35,920
>> Yes.

3237
02:15:35,920 --> 02:15:38,800
>> Uhhuh. So will you be building out the

3238
02:15:38,800 --> 02:15:40,960
full build out of Main Street as well or

3239
02:15:40,960 --> 02:15:42,000
just one side?

3240
02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:43,760
>> Just one side. As far I understand

3241
02:15:43,760 --> 02:15:46,639
correct, Bill, we just it's uh it's a

3242
02:15:46,639 --> 02:15:49,520
108t road. So we are putting in you know

3243
02:15:49,520 --> 02:15:52,079
54 feet which which is a big road.

3244
02:15:52,079 --> 02:15:57,750
>> Yes.

3245
02:15:57,760 --> 02:15:59,440
» But the full width of the Green

3246
02:15:59,440 --> 02:16:00,079
Street.

3247
02:16:00,079 --> 02:16:00,480
>> Yes.

3248
02:16:00,480 --> 02:16:04,229
>> Okay.

3249
02:16:04,239 --> 02:16:07,760
What's between lot 511 and 12?

3250
02:16:07,760 --> 02:16:10,719
>> Um, where's that? Oh, that is an access

3251
02:16:10,719 --> 02:16:13,119
road to get to Matt Canyon. Um, staff

3252
02:16:13,119 --> 02:16:16,239
had thought we should have a uh

3253
02:16:16,239 --> 02:16:19,040
>> a road halfway through so it's not I

3254
02:16:19,040 --> 02:16:20,800
think Bill's words were it's it'll be a

3255
02:16:20,800 --> 02:16:21,599
racetrack.

3256
02:16:21,599 --> 02:16:21,920
>> Yeah.

3257
02:16:21,920 --> 02:16:23,009
>> If uh you don't

3258
02:16:23,009 --> 02:16:23,280
[clears throat and cough] have

3259
02:16:23,280 --> 02:16:24,960
connectability people get going too

3260
02:16:24,960 --> 02:16:26,400
fast.

3261
02:16:26,400 --> 02:16:27,520
>> So that

3262
02:16:27,520 --> 02:16:29,520
>> so you won't be responsible for any of

3263
02:16:29,520 --> 02:16:31,920
Matt Canyon Road. So Matt Canyon Road is

3264
02:16:31,920 --> 02:16:33,760
not directly behind these lots. Is that

3265
02:16:33,760 --> 02:16:36,160
correct? That is correct. It's a ways

3266
02:16:36,160 --> 02:16:36,719
further.

3267
02:16:36,719 --> 02:16:38,160
>> Yeah. There'll be houses from Matt

3268
02:16:38,160 --> 02:16:40,080
Canyon that border up against those.

3269
02:16:40,080 --> 02:16:46,709
>> Yeah.

3270
02:16:46,719 --> 02:16:48,639
» I think the only question I have is just

3271
02:16:48,639 --> 02:16:51,599
more in line with the visibility of the

3272
02:16:51,599 --> 02:16:54,479
open space as far as what that entails.

3273
02:16:54,479 --> 02:16:58,800
Um I know we've one of the main desires

3274
02:16:58,800 --> 02:17:02,319
I I'll speak for myself uh regarding new

3275
02:17:02,319 --> 02:17:07,120
developments is ensuring that we have uh

3276
02:17:07,120 --> 02:17:10,080
trail systems that are interconnecting.

3277
02:17:10,080 --> 02:17:13,519
Um I know that is one big request from

3278
02:17:13,519 --> 02:17:16,160
residents is one. So, I'm sure it's a

3279
02:17:16,160 --> 02:17:18,479
selling point for new residents is

3280
02:17:18,479 --> 02:17:21,920
having a space to be able to walk and trying to have some

3281
02:17:21,920 --> 02:17:23,679
interconnectivity

3282
02:17:23,679 --> 02:17:26,719
from one uh subdivision

3283
02:17:26,719 --> 02:17:29,519
or development to another would be also

3284
02:17:29,519 --> 02:17:33,679
of interest. And so maybe just

3285
02:17:33,679 --> 02:17:36,160
being able to visually see what that is.

3286
02:17:36,160 --> 02:17:38,559
Uh because this is new to me. It's not

3287
02:17:38,559 --> 02:17:40,479
new to some of the other members members

3288
02:17:40,479 --> 02:17:42,639
of council, but just being able to see

3289
02:17:42,639 --> 02:17:44,719
what that would be and entail that. I

3290
02:17:44,719 --> 02:17:46,080
don't see anything here. I mean, I know

3291
02:17:46,080 --> 02:17:49,439
this is conceptual, but what does that

3292
02:17:49,439 --> 02:17:51,599
what would that look like or

3293
02:17:51,599 --> 02:17:53,120
>> Yes. Um, that's a good question. We did

3294
02:17:53,120 --> 02:17:55,200
have a trail system on the a concept

3295
02:17:55,200 --> 02:17:57,280
that we were working with staff on.

3296
02:17:57,280 --> 02:17:57,599
>> Okay.

3297
02:17:57,599 --> 02:18:00,080
>> Um, so there is a trail and I think uh

3298
02:18:00,080 --> 02:18:02,719
it comes through those yellow

3299
02:18:02,719 --> 02:18:04,160
down there and then around and up

3300
02:18:04,160 --> 02:18:06,319
through the open space. But we can, you

3301
02:18:06,319 --> 02:18:08,240
know, we'll we'll we'll put a trail

3302
02:18:08,240 --> 02:18:13,120
system in. I know that is something that staff has recommended we do. I

3303
02:18:13,120 --> 02:18:15,359
think city council two years ago had had

3304
02:18:15,359 --> 02:18:16,800
requested a trail and we had

3305
02:18:16,800 --> 02:18:18,399
incorporated that in there but we just

3306
02:18:18,399 --> 02:18:20,399
didn't put it on this concept and so

3307
02:18:20,399 --> 02:18:21,840
there will be a trail system in there

3308
02:18:21,840 --> 02:18:24,479
>> and that will go to

3309
02:18:24,479 --> 02:18:26,080
>> no it won't go over to it'll come

3310
02:18:26,080 --> 02:18:29,200
up it'll come I think if I remember Bill

3311
02:18:29,200 --> 02:18:36,319
didn't it come down through here I believe was it

3312
02:18:36,319 --> 02:18:38,639
here I think it came down

3313
02:18:38,639 --> 02:18:42,000
>> through here like this and then

3314
02:18:42,000 --> 02:18:44,240
down into this open space and then over

3315
02:18:44,240 --> 02:18:46,880
like that is how I thought we had it

3316
02:18:46,880 --> 02:18:48,160
right. remember.

3317
02:18:48,160 --> 02:18:50,479
>> Yeah. So, so he he did have an iteration

3318
02:18:50,479 --> 02:18:51,200
where

3319
02:18:51,200 --> 02:18:52,719
>> he had trail network kind of going

3320
02:18:52,719 --> 02:18:54,399
through the middle of lots. I think in

3321
02:18:54,399 --> 02:18:56,880
our last vision we asked, you can

3322
02:18:56,880 --> 02:19:00,319
imagine that 10 foot wide thing between

3323
02:19:00,319 --> 02:19:02,319
these lots right here and it's kind of a

3324
02:19:02,319 --> 02:19:04,719
vandalism alley or whatever. So, we

3325
02:19:04,719 --> 02:19:07,040
asked him to to put the trail system

3326
02:19:07,040 --> 02:19:10,160
through here. I know. And then I think

3327
02:19:10,160 --> 02:19:11,760
that was the extent of it. It probably

3328
02:19:11,760 --> 02:19:14,080
came through here and then up to this

3329
02:19:14,080 --> 02:19:16,800
street, but we didn't think that that

3330
02:19:16,800 --> 02:19:20,479
was the best just just like secluded,

3331
02:19:20,479 --> 02:19:23,040
you know, people tag, whatever between

3332
02:19:23,040 --> 02:19:25,840
two fences. So, but that certainly could

3333
02:19:25,840 --> 02:19:28,319
be a different away, but that's kind of

3334
02:19:28,319 --> 02:19:30,800
the latest direction that we we thought

3335
02:19:30,800 --> 02:19:32,800
might be a good idea is a trail system

3336
02:19:32,800 --> 02:19:37,910
along this goalie way.

3337
02:19:37,920 --> 02:19:39,359
» And it would go up through that goalie

3338
02:19:39,359 --> 02:19:42,080
way and then tie into that canyon just a

3339
02:19:42,080 --> 02:19:51,030
subdivision up there.

3340
02:19:51,040 --> 02:19:52,640
Just so you guys know, the distance

3341
02:19:52,640 --> 02:19:55,040
between the far north side of his

3342
02:19:55,040 --> 02:19:58,399
property and Matt Canyon is 1300 feet.

3343
02:19:58,399 --> 02:19:59,600
Looks quite a ways.

3344
02:19:59,600 --> 02:20:02,160
>> Yeah. Yeah, that is more than I

3345
02:20:02,160 --> 02:20:08,710
expected.

3346
02:20:08,720 --> 02:20:10,000
» All right. Do we have any other

3347
02:20:10,000 --> 02:20:11,359
direction? Oh, Jake.

3348
02:20:11,359 --> 02:20:15,280
>> The roadway on the west is is 60 feet. I

3349
02:20:15,280 --> 02:20:17,840
can't see that. It's in yellow. My I'm

3350
02:20:17,840 --> 02:20:20,319
color blind to yellow. I think for

3351
02:20:20,319 --> 02:20:21,840
>> about 108

3352
02:20:21,840 --> 02:20:25,040
>> 108 ft. Okay. All right. So the and the

3353
02:20:25,040 --> 02:20:28,800
roadway between lot 511 and

3354
02:20:28,800 --> 02:20:29,439
>> 66

3355
02:20:29,439 --> 02:20:30,800
>> 60

3356
02:20:30,800 --> 02:20:34,479
>> 66

3357
02:20:34,479 --> 02:20:36,160
>> Okay. So standard.

3358
02:20:36,160 --> 02:20:37,280
>> All right.

3359
02:20:37,280 --> 02:20:38,720
>> Yeah. The yellow didn't show up very

3360
02:20:38,720 --> 02:20:41,200
well. Change the color.

3361
02:20:41,200 --> 02:20:43,120
>> Yeah. We'll change it to black next

3362
02:20:43,120 --> 02:20:45,359
time, but we just wanted to see. But if

3363
02:20:45,359 --> 02:20:47,120
this is something that we feel like we

3364
02:20:47,120 --> 02:20:48,720
get support from state from city

3365
02:20:48,720 --> 02:20:50,640
council, we'll we'll proceed with it and

3366
02:20:50,640 --> 02:20:54,560
then we'll be back with the uh MDA and

3367
02:20:54,560 --> 02:20:56,640
the the concept.

3368
02:20:56,640 --> 02:20:58,160
>> Um I I mean I know you've been

3369
02:20:58,160 --> 02:20:59,680
frustrated at times. It's been a long

3370
02:20:59,680 --> 02:21:02,560
process, but I think this is a a good

3371
02:21:02,560 --> 02:21:04,640
give and take for the city to get those

3372
02:21:04,640 --> 02:21:08,240
roads that we need. And it's 5% off, so

3373
02:21:08,240 --> 02:21:11,040
I'm I'm a I'm a go on it.

3374
02:21:11,040 --> 02:21:14,080
>> Okay. 5% off and we're not taking from

3375
02:21:14,080 --> 02:21:15,439
the existing residents.

3376
02:21:15,439 --> 02:21:16,240
>> Yeah.

3377
02:21:16,240 --> 02:21:17,359
>> Um

3378
02:21:17,359 --> 02:21:19,280
>> and we're not increasing the density in

3379
02:21:19,280 --> 02:21:20,000
any way.

3380
02:21:20,000 --> 02:21:21,600
>> Nope.

3381
02:21:21,600 --> 02:21:24,479
>> Just percent. And there's been there's

3382
02:21:24,479 --> 02:21:28,160
been times where we've had um concept

3383
02:21:28,160 --> 02:21:30,399
plans come in and even final PL plans

3384
02:21:30,399 --> 02:21:32,960
where they've adjusted here and there

3385
02:21:32,960 --> 02:21:34,800
with square footage wise and just

3386
02:21:34,800 --> 02:21:36,960
doesn't work out. And I mean this is a

3387
02:21:36,960 --> 02:21:38,479
little bit more than what we've seen in

3388
02:21:38,479 --> 02:21:40,960
the past. This is How many lots are

3389
02:21:40,960 --> 02:21:43,600
there in black? Probably

3390
02:21:43,600 --> 02:21:46,583
>> 50 plus.

3391
02:21:46,583 --> 02:21:47,040
[clears throat]

3392
02:21:47,040 --> 02:21:50,160
>> I counted them. Um 53.

3393
02:21:50,160 --> 02:21:56,080
>> Yeah. And there's 75 that are half and a lot of them are over at half acre.

3394
02:21:56,080 --> 02:22:03,190
They're 53 or so. So it's a nice mix.

3395
02:22:03,200 --> 02:22:04,479
» Thank you for your efforts.

3396
02:22:04,479 --> 02:22:04,960
>> All right.

3397
02:22:04,960 --> 02:22:08,000
>> Any other direction for him tonight?

3398
02:22:08,000 --> 02:22:09,280
>> No. Okay. Thank you.

3399
02:22:09,280 --> 02:22:12,469
>> Thank you.

3400
02:22:12,479 --> 02:22:15,520
» All right. Moving on to item number 11.

3401
02:22:15,520 --> 02:22:18,319
A discussion and council direction of

3402
02:22:18,319 --> 02:22:25,910
the town homes on Willow sidewalks.

3403
02:22:25,920 --> 02:22:27,680
» Before we turn the time over to Barry,

3404
02:22:27,680 --> 02:22:29,520
um I just wanted to who's got going to

3405
02:22:29,520 --> 02:22:32,240
do the bulk of that?

3406
02:22:32,240 --> 02:22:34,560
I just wanted to say that uh Sean has

3407
02:22:34,560 --> 02:22:38,000
been very patient working with us. um

3408
02:22:38,000 --> 02:22:40,880
trying to I mean this is his project

3409
02:22:40,880 --> 02:22:43,200
that's being held up and we've tried to

3410
02:22:43,200 --> 02:22:45,439
get answers for him and and work with

3411
02:22:45,439 --> 02:22:48,160
him. Um we've met with him out on site

3412
02:22:48,160 --> 02:22:49,920
several times and he's been very

3413
02:22:49,920 --> 02:22:52,560
gracious about uh working with staff and

3414
02:22:52,560 --> 02:22:54,240
with property owners trying to get to a

3415
02:22:54,240 --> 02:22:58,319
good resolution on this. Um and uh just

3416
02:22:58,319 --> 02:23:01,600
wanted to say publicly thank you to Sean

3417
02:23:01,600 --> 02:23:04,160
for uh being willing to work with us on

3418
02:23:04,160 --> 02:23:05,680
these things and being patient as we try

3419
02:23:05,680 --> 02:23:07,840
to figure these things out. So, uh, just

3420
02:23:07,840 --> 02:23:10,080
wanted to make that comment and then let

3421
02:23:10,080 --> 02:23:15,349
Barry take it over.

3422
02:23:15,359 --> 02:23:18,720
» Do you want to say anything?

3423
02:23:18,720 --> 02:23:20,249
>> Go for it. I'll say it afterwards.

3424
02:23:20,249 --> 02:23:21,920
[laughter] Anything you miss? I doubt

3425
02:23:21,920 --> 02:23:24,720
you will.

3426
02:23:24,720 --> 02:23:27,680
Well, um

3427
02:23:27,680 --> 02:23:32,000
I think the whole well my goal is is to

3428
02:23:32,000 --> 02:23:34,560
demonstrate to the council the

3429
02:23:34,560 --> 02:23:37,680
conditions of Willow Street from Dery to

3430
02:23:37,680 --> 02:23:41,520
Maine and incorporate with that the

3431
02:23:41,520 --> 02:23:44,080
plans of we just had this, you know,

3432
02:23:44,080 --> 02:23:47,359
this transportation plan yesterday and

3433
02:23:47,359 --> 02:23:51,040
Willow Street is is a already considered

3434
02:23:51,040 --> 02:23:54,479
a collector road and it's continued to

3435
02:23:54,479 --> 02:23:58,800
be a collector road. Um, and so with

3436
02:23:58,800 --> 02:24:02,160
this development, sorry, I'm just so I

3437
02:24:02,160 --> 02:24:05,200
can keep track of my own thoughts here.

3438
02:24:05,200 --> 02:24:08,479
Just going to log in.

3439
02:24:08,479 --> 02:24:11,359
Um, and so there's been a lot of

3440
02:24:11,359 --> 02:24:13,359
discussion about what the rightway is

3441
02:24:13,359 --> 02:24:19,120
and what it should be in the future and is it all going to work together? Um

3442
02:24:19,120 --> 02:24:21,600
there's a memo in here about

3443
02:24:21,600 --> 02:24:24,399
originally we we had questions about can

3444
02:24:24,399 --> 02:24:27,280
this sidewalk in particular be in a

3445
02:24:27,280 --> 02:24:29,680
different location because there are se

3446
02:24:29,680 --> 02:24:31,280
you know three residents south of this

3447
02:24:31,280 --> 02:24:33,520
project that their front yards are being

3448
02:24:33,520 --> 02:24:35,200
impacted. You know they've put in their

3449
02:24:35,200 --> 02:24:37,680
grass and some landscaping rocks and we

3450
02:24:37,680 --> 02:24:39,680
just wanted to confirm that where the

3451
02:24:39,680 --> 02:24:41,760
sidewalk is planned to be is in the

3452
02:24:41,760 --> 02:24:44,080
correct location and we have verified

3453
02:24:44,080 --> 02:24:47,600
that. Um there's also discussion about

3454
02:24:47,600 --> 02:24:49,840
do we need the park strip and what kind

3455
02:24:49,840 --> 02:24:52,000
of curb and gutter and and a bunch of

3456
02:24:52,000 --> 02:24:56,479
things. And so um one thing that I just

3457
02:24:56,479 --> 02:24:58,960
want to point out is the town homes on

3458
02:24:58,960 --> 02:25:01,200
Willow is a planned unit development and

3459
02:25:01,200 --> 02:25:02,880
there are certain conditions that were

3460
02:25:02,880 --> 02:25:04,880
placed on the development as part of the

3461
02:25:04,880 --> 02:25:10,080
approval and one of those conditions is specifically written that the

3462
02:25:10,080 --> 02:25:11,680
sidewalk should be at the west boundary

3463
02:25:11,680 --> 02:25:14,399
of the rideway and some other things. So

3464
02:25:14,399 --> 02:25:16,479
when it was asked of me if we could make

3465
02:25:16,479 --> 02:25:18,319
a change, you know, I discovered these

3466
02:25:18,319 --> 02:25:20,560
things and and frankly I said I I can't

3467
02:25:20,560 --> 02:25:23,359
bypass what what the conditions of the

3468
02:25:23,359 --> 02:25:25,200
city council were were put on the

3469
02:25:25,200 --> 02:25:27,359
project and and do something different

3470
02:25:27,359 --> 02:25:29,120
without

3471
02:25:29,120 --> 02:25:31,120
unless it was dee deemed you know some

3472
02:25:31,120 --> 02:25:34,080
minor change. And so that's one question

3473
02:25:34,080 --> 02:25:37,840
I guess. But um so there's there's that

3474
02:25:37,840 --> 02:25:39,760
there's benefits of having the sidewalk

3475
02:25:39,760 --> 02:25:42,479
be where it is separated from from the

3476
02:25:42,479 --> 02:25:46,479
curb and gutter. Um there's a multiple

3477
02:25:46,479 --> 02:25:47,920
number of reasons why and I don't know

3478
02:25:47,920 --> 02:25:50,640
if it's detailed in this memo. I don't

3479
02:25:50,640 --> 02:25:51,760
know if you've read through it, if you

3480
02:25:51,760 --> 02:25:55,680
have any questions about that, but um so

3481
02:25:55,680 --> 02:25:57,520
there are benefits. There are, you know,

3482
02:25:57,520 --> 02:26:01,280
safety reasons to consider that with

3483
02:26:01,280 --> 02:26:04,399
where the lane configuration is antic

3484
02:26:04,399 --> 02:26:06,560
anticipated to be in the future and the

3485
02:26:06,560 --> 02:26:08,640
sidewalks and the proximity of the

3486
02:26:08,640 --> 02:26:10,880
school plus all these town homes comes

3487
02:26:10,880 --> 02:26:13,600
into play in this situation where we

3488
02:26:13,600 --> 02:26:16,399
really need to think about pedestrians

3489
02:26:16,399 --> 02:26:19,520
in this area versus vehicles. And and so

3490
02:26:19,520 --> 02:26:21,520
there is a benefit of separation.

3491
02:26:21,520 --> 02:26:23,040
There's a benefit of a highback curb

3492
02:26:23,040 --> 02:26:26,080
for, you know, just alerting an errant

3493
02:26:26,080 --> 02:26:28,720
driver before they might get into a

3494
02:26:28,720 --> 02:26:31,600
sidewalk. Um

3495
02:26:31,600 --> 02:26:33,120
there's a lot of things that are being

3496
02:26:33,120 --> 02:26:35,040
considered here, I guess. But but mainly

3497
02:26:35,040 --> 02:26:38,080
I I wanted to point out that

3498
02:26:38,080 --> 02:26:40,160
I felt like I couldn't make a decision

3499
02:26:40,160 --> 02:26:41,680
about where the sidewalk or curbon

3500
02:26:41,680 --> 02:26:43,840
gutter could go because it was

3501
02:26:43,840 --> 02:26:46,560
specifically outlined in a in a

3502
02:26:46,560 --> 02:26:51,280
resolution. So that's in here. Um

3503
02:26:51,280 --> 02:26:55,840
the next thing that was kind of just to explore ideas was well can we make it

3504
02:26:55,840 --> 02:26:58,720
a a different kind of curb and gutter

3505
02:26:58,720 --> 02:27:00,479
and leave the sidewalk where it needs to

3506
02:27:00,479 --> 02:27:04,640
be so that you know maybe um there's

3507
02:27:04,640 --> 02:27:07,200
some grading, some elevation challenges

3508
02:27:07,200 --> 02:27:09,760
with the just sloping the road how it

3509
02:27:09,760 --> 02:27:11,120
should be done and then where people's

3510
02:27:11,120 --> 02:27:13,280
driveways are at. So, I looked at that

3511
02:27:13,280 --> 02:27:17,280
and and there is a minimal um elevation

3512
02:27:17,280 --> 02:27:19,920
gain to doing a a modified curb and

3513
02:27:19,920 --> 02:27:22,240
gutter, but you give up a bunch of

3514
02:27:22,240 --> 02:27:24,720
capacity and conveyance of of storm

3515
02:27:24,720 --> 02:27:30,640
water. Um that's if you want to go down,

3516
02:27:30,640 --> 02:27:32,720
keep going, and we can go back to some

3517
02:27:32,720 --> 02:27:34,240
of these things. So, I highlighted there

3518
02:27:34,240 --> 02:27:37,520
where this was a memo that talked about,

3519
02:27:37,520 --> 02:27:38,880
you know, put the sidewalk curb and

3520
02:27:38,880 --> 02:27:40,399
gutter aligned on the west rightway

3521
02:27:40,399 --> 02:27:43,439
line. So, I didn't feel like I could

3522
02:27:43,439 --> 02:27:46,720
bypass that language. Um, keep going

3523
02:27:46,720 --> 02:27:48,640
down [clears throat] and and this was

3524
02:27:48,640 --> 02:27:52,240
just more of the resolution that was

3525
02:27:52,240 --> 02:27:55,040
made when this was approved. Talks about

3526
02:27:55,040 --> 02:27:57,040
the sidewalk. Um, if you keep going

3527
02:27:57,040 --> 02:27:59,120
down,

3528
02:27:59,120 --> 02:28:00,800
this is just hydraulic analysis of a

3529
02:28:00,800 --> 02:28:03,760
different kind of a curb. Um, so that

3530
02:28:03,760 --> 02:28:06,319
was the modified type. And if you keep

3531
02:28:06,319 --> 02:28:09,280
going down, um, that's the traditional

3532
02:28:09,280 --> 02:28:10,800
standard

3533
02:28:10,800 --> 02:28:14,399
city standard curb and gutter. Um, so I

3534
02:28:14,399 --> 02:28:17,680
did some hydraulic analysis here. If you keep going down, I can't remember

3535
02:28:17,680 --> 02:28:18,880
the number off the top of my head, but

3536
02:28:18,880 --> 02:28:22,240
this is the modified number. Um, it can

3537
02:28:22,240 --> 02:28:26,319
flow 5.6 CFS at its fullest, you know,

3538
02:28:26,319 --> 02:28:28,160
at when the water level is at the top of

3539
02:28:28,160 --> 02:28:30,880
the curb versus if you keep going down.

3540
02:28:30,880 --> 02:28:33,680
So 5.6 six versus

3541
02:28:33,680 --> 02:28:36,720
keep going till the next page. Keep

3542
02:28:36,720 --> 02:28:40,560
going. Uh 10.75 right there. So, it's a

3543
02:28:40,560 --> 02:28:43,200
trade-off. If you go to this modified

3544
02:28:43,200 --> 02:28:44,640
curb, you're you're giving up some

3545
02:28:44,640 --> 02:28:48,640
capacity to say convey minor and and

3546
02:28:48,640 --> 02:28:50,640
significant storm events that that may

3547
02:28:50,640 --> 02:28:53,600
run in the street in the future. So

3548
02:28:53,600 --> 02:28:56,240
those were these are just engineering

3549
02:28:56,240 --> 02:28:58,560
background information

3550
02:28:58,560 --> 02:29:01,439
um and and questions that came up. What

3551
02:29:01,439 --> 02:29:02,479
can we do? Can we do something

3552
02:29:02,479 --> 02:29:04,080
different? You know, because we are kind

3553
02:29:04,080 --> 02:29:07,760
of uh unfortunately when the subdivision

3554
02:29:07,760 --> 02:29:10,240
that these three lots that are south of

3555
02:29:10,240 --> 02:29:12,560
this development were put in, you know,

3556
02:29:12,560 --> 02:29:16,479
they they didn't do the curb gutter and stuff at that time. And so then

3557
02:29:16,479 --> 02:29:17,920
people build their driveways to what the

3558
02:29:17,920 --> 02:29:20,240
street is. And so they kind of sit low

3559
02:29:20,240 --> 02:29:22,399
where if you put in a curbon gutter,

3560
02:29:22,399 --> 02:29:23,680
they would have been a little higher.

3561
02:29:23,680 --> 02:29:25,680
So, and then it just, you know, that's

3562
02:29:25,680 --> 02:29:27,359
just kind of the natural thing. And so

3563
02:29:27,359 --> 02:29:29,040
there just are some grade challenges at

3564
02:29:29,040 --> 02:29:31,040
the back of the sidewalk that that need

3565
02:29:31,040 --> 02:29:32,640
to be I mean they're part of the

3566
02:29:32,640 --> 02:29:36,240
consideration and part of the questions.

3567
02:29:36,240 --> 02:29:39,680
Um and [clears throat] then just what

3568
02:29:39,680 --> 02:29:45,120
just more explanation of what's next in these documents is just a futuristic

3569
02:29:45,120 --> 02:29:48,399
look of of what Willow Street would be

3570
02:29:48,399 --> 02:29:50,880
if we you know consider it to be a

3571
02:29:50,880 --> 02:29:54,160
collector street which is a minor

3572
02:29:54,160 --> 02:29:56,399
collector here with three lanes um one

3573
02:29:56,399 --> 02:29:58,080
in each direction with this center turn

3574
02:29:58,080 --> 02:29:59,920
lane that you know then intersections

3575
02:29:59,920 --> 02:30:04,240
could be configured differently but um

3576
02:30:04,240 --> 02:30:07,680
so here at this in the top. You can see,

3577
02:30:07,680 --> 02:30:09,920
maybe it isn't clear to you, but it's a

3578
02:30:09,920 --> 02:30:12,800
currently a 60 ft ride ofway. When the

3579
02:30:12,800 --> 02:30:14,640
town homes on Willow Development came

3580
02:30:14,640 --> 02:30:17,200
in, the standard road section calls for

3581
02:30:17,200 --> 02:30:22,399
a 66 ft ride of way. So that's 33 ft on

3582
02:30:22,399 --> 02:30:24,640
their half of the road, right? So

3583
02:30:24,640 --> 02:30:26,560
there's a 3-ft difference between the

3584
02:30:26,560 --> 02:30:30,960
existing 30ft half width and the 33 foot

3585
02:30:30,960 --> 02:30:32,319
half width, which is our current

3586
02:30:32,319 --> 02:30:34,319
standard. So here in the green you can

3587
02:30:34,319 --> 02:30:36,240
see where the sidewalk is is planned to

3588
02:30:36,240 --> 02:30:38,800
jog and and the park strip widened by 3

3589
02:30:38,800 --> 02:30:42,000
ft. Um that's the current plan and

3590
02:30:42,000 --> 02:30:44,880
that's what's been approved. These are

3591
02:30:44,880 --> 02:30:47,520
approved construction drawings.

3592
02:30:47,520 --> 02:30:49,359
Um

3593
02:30:49,359 --> 02:30:52,160
and yeah, if you go kind of at the

3594
02:30:52,160 --> 02:30:54,319
bottom there would need to be a

3595
02:30:54,319 --> 02:30:57,120
transition back to the 60oot rideway or

3596
02:30:57,120 --> 02:31:01,200
the 30 foot half width. Um and where

3597
02:31:01,200 --> 02:31:03,520
that development particularly did that

3598
02:31:03,520 --> 02:31:05,600
is in the park strip. You went from 6

3599
02:31:05,600 --> 02:31:10,800
1/2 ft to 3 1/2 ft. And um so this plan,

3600
02:31:10,800 --> 02:31:14,399
this concept here um shows the road,

3601
02:31:14,399 --> 02:31:16,880
futuristic road within the 60 ft ride

3602
02:31:16,880 --> 02:31:19,760
ofway. And again, it's a lane in each

3603
02:31:19,760 --> 02:31:22,560
direction with a potential center turn

3604
02:31:22,560 --> 02:31:25,439
lane. Um there's only a two-ft shoulder

3605
02:31:25,439 --> 02:31:27,280
before you get to the curb and gutter

3606
02:31:27,280 --> 02:31:28,720
and then only a three and a half foot

3607
02:31:28,720 --> 02:31:31,760
park strip with a five foot sidewalk. Um

3608
02:31:31,760 --> 02:31:35,359
but it but it's doable in plan view.

3609
02:31:35,359 --> 02:31:37,760
There's also you know things to consider

3610
02:31:37,760 --> 02:31:41,680
grades and and stuff like that. So, um,

3611
02:31:41,680 --> 02:31:43,200
but

3612
02:31:43,200 --> 02:31:45,120
the intent of these drawings is just to

3613
02:31:45,120 --> 02:31:48,800
show what it what it could be long term

3614
02:31:48,800 --> 02:31:51,920
if we if we just build out what's

3615
02:31:51,920 --> 02:31:54,080
planned and and push it all the way

3616
02:31:54,080 --> 02:31:56,160
through from this development north to

3617
02:31:56,160 --> 02:31:58,800
Main Street just to demonstrate that

3618
02:31:58,800 --> 02:32:00,479
that's what it would would look like and

3619
02:32:00,479 --> 02:32:01,920
that that's the potential and that's

3620
02:32:01,920 --> 02:32:04,319
what it's planned to be. um according to

3621
02:32:04,319 --> 02:32:07,280
our transportation master plan just a

3622
02:32:07,280 --> 02:32:09,760
lane in each direction with a potential

3623
02:32:09,760 --> 02:32:12,080
you know left turn lane so that you know

3624
02:32:12,080 --> 02:32:13,439
you don't get the queueing and the

3625
02:32:13,439 --> 02:32:19,680
backup for the through lanes. So, um

3626
02:32:19,680 --> 02:32:23,200
there there's a lot of um questions that

3627
02:32:23,200 --> 02:32:24,800
have been asked about this and these are

3628
02:32:24,800 --> 02:32:27,200
just some things that I that have been

3629
02:32:27,200 --> 02:32:29,520
brought up and my analysis of the

3630
02:32:29,520 --> 02:32:31,760
situation and what the benefits and

3631
02:32:31,760 --> 02:32:34,640
trade-offs may be. I don't know if I

3632
02:32:34,640 --> 02:32:38,160
need to say any more but um other than

3633
02:32:38,160 --> 02:32:40,640
you can see if you go to the this bottom

3634
02:32:40,640 --> 02:32:43,439
sheet and then maybe the next sheet I am

3635
02:32:43,439 --> 02:32:46,960
showing a 25 ft which is the the zoning

3636
02:32:46,960 --> 02:32:50,160
regulation here uh 25 ft front yard

3637
02:32:50,160 --> 02:32:56,880
setback and you can see that most of the houses are placed right at that line

3638
02:32:56,880 --> 02:32:58,479
and so if we were to go in here and

3639
02:32:58,479 --> 02:33:02,080
widen out Willow Street to get something

3640
02:33:02,080 --> 02:33:03,040
wider

3641
02:33:03,040 --> 02:33:05,520
you know, we're really kind of shrinking

3642
02:33:05,520 --> 02:33:08,080
up people's front yards quite a bit. And

3643
02:33:08,080 --> 02:33:09,680
then, you know, we're maybe in that

3644
02:33:09,680 --> 02:33:12,080
situation where we're eminent domaining

3645
02:33:12,080 --> 02:33:12,720
these properties.

3646
02:33:12,720 --> 02:33:14,319
>> Back to the unpopular thing.

3647
02:33:14,319 --> 02:33:16,319
So,

3648
02:33:16,319 --> 02:33:17,600
>> is too narrow.

3649
02:33:17,600 --> 02:33:19,120
>> Like, if somebody's parked on the side

3650
02:33:19,120 --> 02:33:20,720
of the road [laughter] and two vehicles

3651
02:33:20,720 --> 02:33:22,560
are passing, it's already almost an

3652
02:33:22,560 --> 02:33:23,760
issue. Yeah. So,

3653
02:33:23,760 --> 02:33:25,040
>> and part of that is because of the

3654
02:33:25,040 --> 02:33:26,560
pavement width isn't

3655
02:33:26,560 --> 02:33:27,359
>> right

3656
02:33:27,359 --> 02:33:29,760
>> exactly what what it would be in this

3657
02:33:29,760 --> 02:33:32,800
scenario. the pavement widths only ft

3658
02:33:32,800 --> 02:33:36,000
but you also have people street

3659
02:33:36,000 --> 02:33:39,280
>> maybe even less you know in in places.

3660
02:33:39,280 --> 02:33:42,160
So, um [clears throat] I think the

3661
02:33:42,160 --> 02:33:47,120
outcome to this is or or I I think where

3662
02:33:47,120 --> 02:33:49,840
the town homes on Willow development

3663
02:33:49,840 --> 02:33:53,760
wants solid direction is is he putting

3664
02:33:53,760 --> 02:33:55,359
in the curb gutter where it needs to go?

3665
02:33:55,359 --> 02:33:57,120
What kind of curb gutter is it? Is the

3666
02:33:57,120 --> 02:33:59,760
sidewalk going per the plan? Because you

3667
02:33:59,760 --> 02:34:01,280
there's been some questions is, you

3668
02:34:01,280 --> 02:34:02,720
know, can we do something different?

3669
02:34:02,720 --> 02:34:04,776
What are the options? And

3670
02:34:04,776 --> 02:34:06,319
[clears throat] so, you know, he's

3671
02:34:06,319 --> 02:34:08,640
getting to the point where once school

3672
02:34:08,640 --> 02:34:10,800
gets out, this road is going to be

3673
02:34:10,800 --> 02:34:13,520
completed and and done. And we're trying

3674
02:34:13,520 --> 02:34:16,560
to wait till then just to avoid all the

3675
02:34:16,560 --> 02:34:18,960
traffic of the elementary school on this

3676
02:34:18,960 --> 02:34:20,800
road.

3677
02:34:20,800 --> 02:34:22,720
And so, um,

3678
02:34:22,720 --> 02:34:24,479
>> then the other one was his set pack

3679
02:34:24,479 --> 02:34:26,960
whether it's goes six feet for the 32.

3680
02:34:26,960 --> 02:34:29,520
>> Yeah. So if if the I mean you can see

3681
02:34:29,520 --> 02:34:32,160
here that if the majority of the road is

3682
02:34:32,160 --> 02:34:34,000
60 ft

3683
02:34:34,000 --> 02:34:36,319
you know for his development the

3684
02:34:36,319 --> 02:34:38,479
standard at the time was a 33 ft half

3685
02:34:38,479 --> 02:34:41,439
width so it the park strip got wider. So

3686
02:34:41,439 --> 02:34:43,200
if the rest of the street isn't going to

3687
02:34:43,200 --> 02:34:46,080
be that way do we want his portion of

3688
02:34:46,080 --> 02:34:48,080
the street to have that wider park

3689
02:34:48,080 --> 02:34:52,319
strip? So that's the other question.

3690
02:34:52,319 --> 02:34:55,280
And you know there there are benefits to

3691
02:34:55,280 --> 02:34:58,000
that perceived and real of of separation

3692
02:34:58,000 --> 02:35:00,720
of you know pedestrians but that goes

3693
02:35:00,720 --> 02:35:02,720
away once you get south of the of this

3694
02:35:02,720 --> 02:35:04,720
project anyways before you get to Dery.

3695
02:35:04,720 --> 02:35:08,399
And so um it it doesn't offer any more

3696
02:35:08,399 --> 02:35:10,479
parking. It doesn't you know do anything

3697
02:35:10,479 --> 02:35:13,120
for the drainage. It's just more park

3698
02:35:13,120 --> 02:35:15,359
space or park strip space where, you

3699
02:35:15,359 --> 02:35:18,399
know, plantings and signage and things

3700
02:35:18,399 --> 02:35:21,439
like that are placed, snow, other

3701
02:35:21,439 --> 02:35:25,520
considerations. Um, but yeah,

3702
02:35:25,520 --> 02:35:29,600
that's that's another question.

3703
02:35:29,600 --> 02:35:32,319
>> What was the curbing gutter approved?

3704
02:35:32,319 --> 02:35:35,040
>> The Was it a cat the 6inch highback or

3705
02:35:35,040 --> 02:35:37,520
was it it was a cat? Okay. So, was

3706
02:35:37,520 --> 02:35:39,600
wasn't push?

3707
02:35:39,600 --> 02:35:40,160
No,

3708
02:35:40,160 --> 02:35:41,359
>> just the standard patch.

3709
02:35:41,359 --> 02:35:42,240
>> This one.

3710
02:35:42,240 --> 02:35:49,910
>> Correct. That one.

3711
02:35:49,920 --> 02:35:53,280
» And you know,

3712
02:35:53,280 --> 02:35:54,800
some of the the residents there have

3713
02:35:54,800 --> 02:35:57,040
expressed that they don't even want a

3714
02:35:57,040 --> 02:35:58,800
park strip and what are they going to

3715
02:35:58,800 --> 02:36:00,160
do? What can they do with the park

3716
02:36:00,160 --> 02:36:01,520
strip? They're going to be maintaining

3717
02:36:01,520 --> 02:36:05,359
it. Um some of those things. And so

3718
02:36:05,359 --> 02:36:08,640
those are real, you know, in any case

3719
02:36:08,640 --> 02:36:11,280
for any resident on the street, that's a

3720
02:36:11,280 --> 02:36:13,040
consideration of 3 and 1/2 ft. What do

3721
02:36:13,040 --> 02:36:15,680
you do with that? I mean, maybe you can

3722
02:36:15,680 --> 02:36:17,439
put some plantings in it that, you know,

3723
02:36:17,439 --> 02:36:18,960
some shrubs that you can drip irrigate

3724
02:36:18,960 --> 02:36:21,520
and they can survive.

3725
02:36:21,520 --> 02:36:24,000
Does it need to be, you know, stamped

3726
02:36:24,000 --> 02:36:26,960
concrete that nothing grows in?

3727
02:36:26,960 --> 02:36:28,160
You haven't done that in the city

3728
02:36:28,160 --> 02:36:29,533
anywhere. I don't know that know of

3729
02:36:29,533 --> 02:36:31,920
[clears throat] anyways but those are

3730
02:36:31,920 --> 02:36:36,240
other questions that that have come up

3731
02:36:36,240 --> 02:36:38,240
and with that in mind because I said

3732
02:36:38,240 --> 02:36:42,240
that the development has a an approved

3733
02:36:42,240 --> 02:36:45,840
construction set so technically

3734
02:36:45,840 --> 02:36:47,760
for their interests they could go and

3735
02:36:47,760 --> 02:36:49,840
build what's been approved but he's been

3736
02:36:49,840 --> 02:36:51,760
good enough to consider the residents

3737
02:36:51,760 --> 02:36:54,160
and just what's good for the city and is

3738
02:36:54,160 --> 02:36:56,560
it cohesive and and those things so

3739
02:36:56,560 --> 02:36:59,040
kudos to to Sean for bringing up this

3740
02:36:59,040 --> 02:37:01,600
and being able to hear the the voice of

3741
02:37:01,600 --> 02:37:03,200
a residents and and just bringing up

3742
02:37:03,200 --> 02:37:04,640
these concerns to make sure that they're

3743
02:37:04,640 --> 02:37:07,439
not, you know, he could just go go get

3744
02:37:07,439 --> 02:37:09,040
in there and plow through it and be done

3745
02:37:09,040 --> 02:37:14,790
and whatever. So,

3746
02:37:14,800 --> 02:37:17,120
» so I guess we're looking for direction

3747
02:37:17,120 --> 02:37:19,840
on the width in front of his property,

3748
02:37:19,840 --> 02:37:21,600
whether we keep it at six feet or 3

3749
02:37:21,600 --> 02:37:24,160
feet, whether we change the highback

3750
02:37:24,160 --> 02:37:27,920
curb to a roll back curb or keep it as

3751
02:37:27,920 --> 02:37:29,760
is, and whether we adjust the sidewalk

3752
02:37:29,760 --> 02:37:31,760
at all or keep that as is.

3753
02:37:31,760 --> 02:37:34,080
>> Is that property designed to cap capture

3754
02:37:34,080 --> 02:37:35,760
any water on it?

3755
02:37:35,760 --> 02:37:37,280
>> Yes.

3756
02:37:37,280 --> 02:37:39,200
>> Which property are you? uh the new

3757
02:37:39,200 --> 02:37:40,560
developed property.

3758
02:37:40,560 --> 02:37:41,600
>> Yeah.

3759
02:37:41,600 --> 02:37:42,000
>> So,

3760
02:37:42,000 --> 02:37:43,840
>> it's it's picking up.

3761
02:37:43,840 --> 02:37:46,720
>> So, is it dumping into a drain? Is is

3762
02:37:46,720 --> 02:37:49,120
there an inlet somewhere along Willow

3763
02:37:49,120 --> 02:37:51,840
that's taking water on or is that just

3764
02:37:51,840 --> 02:37:53,439
pushing water down the roadway?

3765
02:37:53,439 --> 02:37:55,280
>> The way it was designed and approved is

3766
02:37:55,280 --> 02:37:58,000
there's no inlets or or piping

3767
02:37:58,000 --> 02:37:59,600
>> anywhere in Willow Street and it just

3768
02:37:59,600 --> 02:38:00,720
runs into that development.

3769
02:38:00,720 --> 02:38:02,000
>> All those highback curves are going to

3770
02:38:02,000 --> 02:38:04,240
push water down Willow.

3771
02:38:04,240 --> 02:38:04,720
>> Yes.

3772
02:38:04,720 --> 02:38:06,160
>> Okay.

3773
02:38:06,160 --> 02:38:09,280
I mean from Dury to this development for

3774
02:38:09,280 --> 02:38:11,280
sure. Beyond that I don't there's

3775
02:38:11,280 --> 02:38:12,160
nothing there's nothing.

3776
02:38:12,160 --> 02:38:13,840
>> Yes that's that's that's what I'm

3777
02:38:13,840 --> 02:38:15,120
concerned about.

3778
02:38:15,120 --> 02:38:17,680
>> Yeah there are I believe on the three

3779
02:38:17,680 --> 02:38:22,000
homes that are facing this there is a

3780
02:38:22,000 --> 02:38:24,080
what do you have Jody Larry? What what

3781
02:38:24,080 --> 02:38:27,040
is there? There's big sums on my place

3782
02:38:27,040 --> 02:38:30,319
at Doug Eeks in the ground there that

3783
02:38:30,319 --> 02:38:31,280
>> when the [clears throat] father-in-law

3784
02:38:31,280 --> 02:38:34,160
built that the city made it put in two

3785
02:38:34,160 --> 02:38:35,359
grade.

3786
02:38:35,359 --> 02:38:37,920
>> So they're like the ground swell. No,

3787
02:38:37,920 --> 02:38:40,000
they're

3788
02:38:40,000 --> 02:38:40,720
>> 20 ft

3789
02:38:40,720 --> 02:38:45,270
>> below grade,

3790
02:38:45,280 --> 02:38:47,520
» but there it is a swell system and and

3791
02:38:47,520 --> 02:38:49,680
you know when a development I don't I

3792
02:38:49,680 --> 02:38:51,040
haven't looked at the background on that

3793
02:38:51,040 --> 02:38:53,439
but typically when those are put in

3794
02:38:53,439 --> 02:38:56,800
they're sized for their development

3795
02:38:56,800 --> 02:38:58,880
only really. I don't know what was done

3796
02:38:58,880 --> 02:39:00,479
there. I can't say for certain that it

3797
02:39:00,479 --> 02:39:03,280
wasn't different, but that's the typical

3798
02:39:03,280 --> 02:39:05,359
standard is

3799
02:39:05,359 --> 02:39:09,200
you take care of your own water.

3800
02:39:09,200 --> 02:39:12,560
And Jake, to to speak more about the

3801
02:39:12,560 --> 02:39:14,960
highback curb going down Willow, when it

3802
02:39:14,960 --> 02:39:17,680
gets to the northern road here of this

3803
02:39:17,680 --> 02:39:19,520
development, it is running into the

3804
02:39:19,520 --> 02:39:22,080
development and it's not, you know,

3805
02:39:22,080 --> 02:39:23,840
blowing past or whatever. It goes into

3806
02:39:23,840 --> 02:39:25,439
the development and it's captured there.

3807
02:39:25,439 --> 02:39:26,880
Okay.

3808
02:39:26,880 --> 02:39:29,520
Because there is water retention Sean in

3809
02:39:29,520 --> 02:39:30,479
your

3810
02:39:30,479 --> 02:39:33,120
>> Yeah, I saw them. I saw inside all the

3811
02:39:33,120 --> 02:39:34,720
storm drain going in inside. I was just

3812
02:39:34,720 --> 02:39:36,240
wondering if there was anything outside

3813
02:39:36,240 --> 02:39:38,720
and no just sheet flow into the

3814
02:39:38,720 --> 02:39:40,479
development basically. So they're taking

3815
02:39:40,479 --> 02:39:43,680
on Willow Street water and holding it.

3816
02:39:43,680 --> 02:39:46,800
>> That area is so unique because the

3817
02:39:46,800 --> 02:39:48,800
residents on the east side, all of those

3818
02:39:48,800 --> 02:39:50,960
homes are below the roadway, which is al

3819
02:39:50,960 --> 02:39:55,760
which is a major no. Um uh you know, but

3820
02:39:55,760 --> 02:39:57,439
obviously those are some of the oldest

3821
02:39:57,439 --> 02:40:02,240
homes in in Grantsville. Um but that's

3822
02:40:02,240 --> 02:40:04,240
usually a major no. You don't want

3823
02:40:04,240 --> 02:40:05,920
anything below the you want everything

3824
02:40:05,920 --> 02:40:07,920
above the roadway. So you don't have

3825
02:40:07,920 --> 02:40:09,760
water, you know, if we have a major rain

3826
02:40:09,760 --> 02:40:12,880
event. And so I I we had that sidewalk

3827
02:40:12,880 --> 02:40:14,479
that was built on that side of the

3828
02:40:14,479 --> 02:40:16,160
roadway. And I think there was an effort

3829
02:40:16,160 --> 02:40:18,720
there from the city to raise that

3830
02:40:18,720 --> 02:40:22,000
substantially to try to create a curb on

3831
02:40:22,000 --> 02:40:25,600
that side of the road. So, so to speak.

3832
02:40:25,600 --> 02:40:28,630
Um,

3833
02:40:28,640 --> 02:40:31,760
» I guess I would ask I mean is there a

3834
02:40:31,760 --> 02:40:34,240
cost difference between the two? And

3835
02:40:34,240 --> 02:40:35,600
that's maybe more of a question for

3836
02:40:35,600 --> 02:40:36,240
Sean.

3837
02:40:36,240 --> 02:40:38,319
>> Can I give you a couple my thoughts

3838
02:40:38,319 --> 02:40:40,720
considerations? So, this is why I'm

3839
02:40:40,720 --> 02:40:43,120
saying pause. If you look at what we

3840
02:40:43,120 --> 02:40:44,880
have here,

3841
02:40:44,880 --> 02:40:46,319
so this is what I have to do. Let me

3842
02:40:46,319 --> 02:40:47,600
flare this road out. And it's going to

3843
02:40:47,600 --> 02:40:49,840
go right here. So this road's going to

3844
02:40:49,840 --> 02:40:56,630
stay here. So if you drop down one more

3845
02:40:56,640 --> 02:40:58,240
» if it helps.

3846
02:40:58,240 --> 02:41:00,640
>> I can plug in and just drive on a CAD

3847
02:41:00,640 --> 02:41:01,040
map.

3848
02:41:01,040 --> 02:41:02,720
>> So th this right here needs to be

3849
02:41:02,720 --> 02:41:05,600
considered. Are you really going to

3850
02:41:05,600 --> 02:41:07,760
design this road so that those front

3851
02:41:07,760 --> 02:41:10,399
yards are 15 ft? And this needs to be

3852
02:41:10,399 --> 02:41:12,160
the time of consideration. I understand

3853
02:41:12,160 --> 02:41:14,319
the road's narrow, but all you're

3854
02:41:14,319 --> 02:41:16,800
creating with the 66 foot rideway that

3855
02:41:16,800 --> 02:41:19,200
we have all through town is, hey, we'd

3856
02:41:19,200 --> 02:41:20,479
like you to park on the side of the

3857
02:41:20,479 --> 02:41:22,479
roads and we'll still drive down the

3858
02:41:22,479 --> 02:41:24,560
narrow. And that's what needs to be

3859
02:41:24,560 --> 02:41:25,680
planned out. And that's what we need to

3860
02:41:25,680 --> 02:41:28,080
plan out better whole city non-stop. We

3861
02:41:28,080 --> 02:41:30,960
just keep looking at little sections and

3862
02:41:30,960 --> 02:41:32,399
doing that and that's it. Instead of

3863
02:41:32,399 --> 02:41:34,479
like go going, hey, let's look at the

3864
02:41:34,479 --> 02:41:37,040
whole zone here. What's the best for the

3865
02:41:37,040 --> 02:41:40,000
citizens that have been here forever?

3866
02:41:40,000 --> 02:41:41,920
And that's that's what I ask here,

3867
02:41:41,920 --> 02:41:43,280
right? Because I could just put it in,

3868
02:41:43,280 --> 02:41:45,520
but I I'm just

3869
02:41:45,520 --> 02:41:48,160
tired of not planning it out, not doing

3870
02:41:48,160 --> 02:41:50,560
it right, not looking out for what

3871
02:41:50,560 --> 02:41:53,680
should be. So that's my two cents.

3872
02:41:53,680 --> 02:41:55,520
Costwise, it's going to be the same.

3873
02:41:55,520 --> 02:41:56,800
You're going to you're going to shuffle

3874
02:41:56,800 --> 02:41:59,520
it. I've already curved cro cost by not

3875
02:41:59,520 --> 02:42:01,760
doing it while we were there. Once

3876
02:42:01,760 --> 02:42:04,000
again, I just want it to be right. And

3877
02:42:04,000 --> 02:42:06,880
so narrowing that road, dragging my

3878
02:42:06,880 --> 02:42:09,280
roads out further, planning for the

3879
02:42:09,280 --> 02:42:12,640
future, that could be 20 years from now

3880
02:42:12,640 --> 02:42:14,800
based off your budget, but it should

3881
02:42:14,800 --> 02:42:18,710
still be planned now.

3882
02:42:18,720 --> 02:42:20,000
» Okay.

3883
02:42:20,000 --> 02:42:22,160
Can I point something out that just

3884
02:42:22,160 --> 02:42:27,040
>> from the aerial Let me point up on this.

3885
02:42:27,040 --> 02:42:29,840
>> Just because rooftops show up in Oh, you

3886
02:42:29,840 --> 02:42:32,080
can see this home right there on the

3887
02:42:32,080 --> 02:42:34,080
north side of you can kind of see how

3888
02:42:34,080 --> 02:42:36,560
the wall is is tipped like this. You can

3889
02:42:36,560 --> 02:42:38,720
see the windows and stuff. So, the roof

3890
02:42:38,720 --> 02:42:40,960
is kind of in the image is slanted this

3891
02:42:40,960 --> 02:42:42,800
way.

3892
02:42:42,800 --> 02:42:44,479
It doesn't happen everywhere because

3893
02:42:44,479 --> 02:42:47,040
they're stitching images together, but

3894
02:42:47,040 --> 02:42:49,040
it does right here in this area. But for

3895
02:42:49,040 --> 02:42:50,640
the most part, most of these homes are

3896
02:42:50,640 --> 02:42:54,080
set back at that 25 ft from the rightway

3897
02:42:54,080 --> 02:42:59,510
boundary.

3898
02:42:59,520 --> 02:43:02,640
I mean, I I walked this road with Sean

3899
02:43:02,640 --> 02:43:04,800
um went and looked at everything and

3900
02:43:04,800 --> 02:43:07,359
measured. I mean, if you do the full

3901
02:43:07,359 --> 02:43:09,600
width that we're making Shawn do on that

3902
02:43:09,600 --> 02:43:12,319
south end all the way through, neighbors

3903
02:43:12,319 --> 02:43:14,080
are literally walking out of their house

3904
02:43:14,080 --> 02:43:15,840
and there's the curb and gutter and then

3905
02:43:15,840 --> 02:43:17,920
the road on some of these these

3906
02:43:17,920 --> 02:43:20,640
properties. So, it doesn't make sense to

3907
02:43:20,640 --> 02:43:23,280
me to have it narrow on one end and then

3908
02:43:23,280 --> 02:43:26,240
flare out to this giant road on the on

3909
02:43:26,240 --> 02:43:28,080
the south end. And and then it the

3910
02:43:28,080 --> 02:43:30,880
elevation with the the sidewalks and

3911
02:43:30,880 --> 02:43:32,640
what the three houses on that side are

3912
02:43:32,640 --> 02:43:34,160
going to have to deal with. I think the

3913
02:43:34,160 --> 02:43:35,920
narrower road so they can blend it in

3914
02:43:35,920 --> 02:43:38,800
better um would be the better route to

3915
02:43:38,800 --> 02:43:42,309
go on this

3916
02:43:42,319 --> 02:43:43,920
blend into their sidewalk. So because

3917
02:43:43,920 --> 02:43:47,359
it's a it's quite the elevation change

3918
02:43:47,359 --> 02:43:49,200
jump on that and getting in and out of

3919
02:43:49,200 --> 02:43:53,618
those driveways are going to be fun.

3920
02:43:53,628 --> 02:43:54,240
» [clears throat]

3921
02:43:54,240 --> 02:43:58,560
>> So with that, the the plan that's been

3922
02:43:58,560 --> 02:44:01,760
we had the developments engineer kind of

3923
02:44:01,760 --> 02:44:03,439
look at the grades on those driveways

3924
02:44:03,439 --> 02:44:06,080
and and just give a a better plan to

3925
02:44:06,080 --> 02:44:08,720
transition. So, if the sidewalk stays

3926
02:44:08,720 --> 02:44:10,319
where it is per the plan at the

3927
02:44:10,319 --> 02:44:13,120
elevation, they would have to cut back

3928
02:44:13,120 --> 02:44:15,920
on some driveways, you know, remove some

3929
02:44:15,920 --> 02:44:18,240
of their concrete and make a transition

3930
02:44:18,240 --> 02:44:20,720
back to the back of the sidewalk so that

3931
02:44:20,720 --> 02:44:22,960
it's not kink like that. You know what I

3932
02:44:22,960 --> 02:44:25,120
mean? But it does be it goes down and

3933
02:44:25,120 --> 02:44:29,439
then especially rats and then the

3934
02:44:29,439 --> 02:44:33,750
eekens.

3935
02:44:33,760 --> 02:44:35,920
» I

3936
02:44:35,920 --> 02:44:36,800
remake that.

3937
02:44:36,800 --> 02:44:38,479
>> Are you sure that it goes back down?

3938
02:44:38,479 --> 02:44:40,720
>> Yeah.

3939
02:44:40,720 --> 02:44:43,680
And they put [clears throat] me at rest.

3940
02:44:43,680 --> 02:44:48,710
It was like 1 point something

3941
02:44:48,720 --> 02:44:50,160
and then about in the middle of about

3942
02:44:50,160 --> 02:44:54,534
610.

3943
02:44:54,544 --> 02:44:58,630
» [clears throat]

3944
02:44:58,640 --> 02:45:00,080
» Yeah, if you're walking on that sidewalk

3945
02:45:00,080 --> 02:45:03,059
and miss it, fall into R's yard, that's

3946
02:45:03,059 --> 02:45:05,200
[laughter] going to break a leg.

3947
02:45:05,200 --> 02:45:07,760
>> I'm accusing myself of discussing this

3948
02:45:07,760 --> 02:45:10,080
so because it affects me. So, you guys

3949
02:45:10,080 --> 02:45:12,880
hash it out and I have faith that you'll

3950
02:45:12,880 --> 02:45:14,560
make the right decision.

3951
02:45:14,560 --> 02:45:16,160
>> I honestly I feel like I'm not super

3952
02:45:16,160 --> 02:45:17,439
familiar with it. I feel like maybe I

3953
02:45:17,439 --> 02:45:18,800
need to go look at it. I drive a little

3954
02:45:18,800 --> 02:45:22,240
a lot, but I don't pay attention. But I feel like what we're saying is we

3955
02:45:22,240 --> 02:45:24,399
don't want to take poo driveways by

3956
02:45:24,399 --> 02:45:24,880
doing

3957
02:45:24,880 --> 02:45:25,600
>> police.

3958
02:45:25,600 --> 02:45:28,000
>> Well, the question is is

3959
02:45:28,000 --> 02:45:30,720
>> do we address a width issue now or do we

3960
02:45:30,720 --> 02:45:33,520
address it later really? Right. And how

3961
02:45:33,520 --> 02:45:34,560
we address it.

3962
02:45:34,560 --> 02:45:36,399
>> And we're trying to basically uniform

3963
02:45:36,399 --> 02:45:37,680
the road because we've got a small

3964
02:45:37,680 --> 02:45:39,040
portion here trying to mix it with a

3965
02:45:39,040 --> 02:45:40,319
portion that's already there. So we're

3966
02:45:40,319 --> 02:45:41,520
trying to figure out how to do that.

3967
02:45:41,520 --> 02:45:44,319
>> So the way it was approved is was at 66,

3968
02:45:44,319 --> 02:45:46,319
right? So the question is are we

3969
02:45:46,319 --> 02:45:48,319
>> for the for the town homes development

3970
02:45:48,319 --> 02:45:51,680
south is the 33 foot half width but then

3971
02:45:51,680 --> 02:45:53,840
they also have this portion that goes

3972
02:45:53,840 --> 02:45:56,080
from their development south to Dery

3973
02:45:56,080 --> 02:45:58,880
Street that narrows down to the 30 foot

3974
02:45:58,880 --> 02:46:01,600
half width

3975
02:46:01,600 --> 02:46:03,439
and that's how it's

3976
02:46:03,439 --> 02:46:06,319
>> in the resolution and on the plan and

3977
02:46:06,319 --> 02:46:08,240
>> so then on the town homes you want

3978
02:46:08,240 --> 02:46:09,680
>> 36 to 30 we're going

3979
02:46:09,680 --> 02:46:10,160
>> yes

3980
02:46:10,160 --> 02:46:10,800
>> question is

3981
02:46:10,800 --> 02:46:12,880
>> so do you want to move the park strip to

3982
02:46:12,880 --> 02:46:15,760
from 6T to 3 ft. Three and a half ft to

3983
02:46:15,760 --> 02:46:20,240
make it consistent across the road width

3984
02:46:20,240 --> 02:46:29,510
on that portion. [clears throat]

3985
02:46:29,520 --> 02:46:33,120
I think we shorten it

3986
02:46:33,120 --> 02:46:35,760
the parks.

3987
02:46:35,760 --> 02:46:38,960
>> Yeah. I I mean the old way to be honest

3988
02:46:38,960 --> 02:46:40,240
like I don't know. We do have some

3989
02:46:40,240 --> 02:46:44,160
residents in here. I kind of defer to

3990
02:46:44,160 --> 02:46:45,920
the park strip question. Probably would

3991
02:46:45,920 --> 02:46:48,640
be more of what seems like shortening

3992
02:46:48,640 --> 02:46:51,680
would solve

3993
02:46:51,680 --> 02:46:53,200
>> would be better.

3994
02:46:53,200 --> 02:46:54,640
>> Well, the only place that it would

3995
02:46:54,640 --> 02:46:56,720
shorten would be in the town homes

3996
02:46:56,720 --> 02:46:57,840
frontage.

3997
02:46:57,840 --> 02:46:59,840
>> It's already shortened in everywhere

3998
02:46:59,840 --> 02:47:00,240
else.

3999
02:47:00,240 --> 02:47:00,880
>> In front.

4000
02:47:00,880 --> 02:47:03,279
>> Yeah. It would already be the three and

4001
02:47:03,279 --> 02:47:06,800
a half ft everywhere else. So

4002
02:47:06,800 --> 02:47:08,479
the question of shortening the park

4003
02:47:08,479 --> 02:47:10,479
strip doesn't affect any existing

4004
02:47:10,479 --> 02:47:12,000
residents. It's

4005
02:47:12,000 --> 02:47:13,920
>> the town home development frontage.

4006
02:47:13,920 --> 02:47:15,279
>> How's it going to align with what?

4007
02:47:15,279 --> 02:47:15,920
>> Yeah. You know,

4008
02:47:15,920 --> 02:47:18,240
>> and then to be clear and that whether we

4009
02:47:18,240 --> 02:47:20,240
want to change the curve to the roll

4010
02:47:20,240 --> 02:47:22,319
back curve, which again that increases

4011
02:47:22,319 --> 02:47:23,840
the city's risk and that's why we're

4012
02:47:23,840 --> 02:47:25,760
here to council because any risk that we

4013
02:47:25,760 --> 02:47:27,279
increase council has to make that

4014
02:47:27,279 --> 02:47:30,240
decision. And again they have the sumps,

4015
02:47:30,240 --> 02:47:31,439
the different things to collect the

4016
02:47:31,439 --> 02:47:33,760
water in those areas. Do we want to do

4017
02:47:33,760 --> 02:47:35,840
the roll back curb for those in front of

4018
02:47:35,840 --> 02:47:38,240
their houses because that way they can

4019
02:47:38,240 --> 02:47:41,120
get in and out a lot easier for them as

4020
02:47:41,120 --> 02:47:43,600
opposed to the highback curb.

4021
02:47:43,600 --> 02:47:45,359
>> Do we need the park strip though at all?

4022
02:47:45,359 --> 02:47:46,880
Like what's the what's

4023
02:47:46,880 --> 02:47:50,960
>> the park your your mailboxes and your

4024
02:47:50,960 --> 02:47:52,800
meters?

4025
02:47:52,800 --> 02:47:54,080
>> You're going to you can imagine you got

4026
02:47:54,080 --> 02:47:56,880
to get up from from pavement grade to

4027
02:47:56,880 --> 02:47:59,359
sidewalk grade.

4028
02:47:59,359 --> 02:48:01,200
And are you just going to drive over a

4029
02:48:01,200 --> 02:48:04,319
6-in curb every time you get in? So, you

4030
02:48:04,319 --> 02:48:07,279
need the park strip distance to ramp up

4031
02:48:07,279 --> 02:48:11,680
to get to the sidewalk elevation.

4032
02:48:11,680 --> 02:48:14,240
In any case, so we looked at that as

4033
02:48:14,240 --> 02:48:17,200
well. Can we just put it the sidewalk

4034
02:48:17,200 --> 02:48:18,560
over against the curbon gutter, but then

4035
02:48:18,560 --> 02:48:20,800
you got to bounce it back so you have

4036
02:48:20,800 --> 02:48:22,880
that ramping distance through the park

4037
02:48:22,880 --> 02:48:27,439
strip to get up to sidewalk level and where you can keep your water in

4038
02:48:27,439 --> 02:48:30,319
your roadway because otherwise water

4039
02:48:30,319 --> 02:48:32,000
comes down Willow Street and it goes

4040
02:48:32,000 --> 02:48:33,760
into private property. Now, that's the

4041
02:48:33,760 --> 02:48:36,800
liability that we're talking about. Um,

4042
02:48:36,800 --> 02:48:39,439
so we need the sidewalk to stay high or

4043
02:48:39,439 --> 02:48:42,080
the curb to stay high to keep the water

4044
02:48:42,080 --> 02:48:44,399
from the street in the street.

4045
02:48:44,399 --> 02:48:48,319
So, the park strip offers that ramping,

4046
02:48:48,319 --> 02:48:49,920
makes it traversible to get in the

4047
02:48:49,920 --> 02:48:53,680
driveway. If you do a mountable curb, a modified, you're still going to have

4048
02:48:53,680 --> 02:48:57,040
this 4in bump instead of a 6-in bump. I

4049
02:48:57,040 --> 02:49:00,080
would argue that the ramp is a better

4050
02:49:00,080 --> 02:49:05,279
driveway than the mountable curve. And

4051
02:49:05,279 --> 02:49:06,800
>> I mean, people can go and drive this.

4052
02:49:06,800 --> 02:49:08,399
>> Maybe I'm I'm taking looking at it

4053
02:49:08,399 --> 02:49:11,520
wrong. So, do we need the 60 foot? Do we

4054
02:49:11,520 --> 02:49:13,520
need that road to be 60 foot when the

4055
02:49:13,520 --> 02:49:17,600
north end's 45 in some places, 53 in

4056
02:49:17,600 --> 02:49:20,000
some? Like why can't we just be

4057
02:49:20,000 --> 02:49:22,000
consistent the whole way and make and

4058
02:49:22,000 --> 02:49:24,319
then reclassify this not as a as a

4059
02:49:24,319 --> 02:49:26,800
arterial road because

4060
02:49:26,800 --> 02:49:29,439
>> so sorry I don't mean to cut you off but

4061
02:49:29,439 --> 02:49:31,279
I just wanted to it is 60 feet

4062
02:49:31,279 --> 02:49:32,479
everywhere.

4063
02:49:32,479 --> 02:49:35,680
>> It's not at the north end. It's like 45.

4064
02:49:35,680 --> 02:49:39,120
>> No, it's 60.

4065
02:49:39,120 --> 02:49:41,200
I mean, I can plug in my my computer and

4066
02:49:41,200 --> 02:49:44,240
we can look at at maps. And I mean, if

4067
02:49:44,240 --> 02:49:45,359
>> you're talking about two different

4068
02:49:45,359 --> 02:49:46,720
things, you're talking right away.

4069
02:49:46,720 --> 02:49:46,960
>> Yeah.

4070
02:49:46,960 --> 02:49:48,399
>> And you're talking what's physical

4071
02:49:48,399 --> 02:49:49,760
there. You guys need to look at what's

4072
02:49:49,760 --> 02:49:50,319
physically there.

4073
02:49:50,319 --> 02:49:52,160
>> Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Physical

4074
02:49:52,160 --> 02:49:52,880
road. It should be

4075
02:49:52,880 --> 02:49:54,000
>> talking about right away.

4076
02:49:54,000 --> 02:49:55,600
>> Yeah. I'm saying the physical road

4077
02:49:55,600 --> 02:49:57,120
should be consistent from north to

4078
02:49:57,120 --> 02:49:58,560
south.

4079
02:49:58,560 --> 02:50:00,160
>> Yeah. I mean, if we did change the

4080
02:50:00,160 --> 02:50:02,160
rideway and the physical road, then

4081
02:50:02,160 --> 02:50:04,960
obviously we would adjust the road width

4082
02:50:04,960 --> 02:50:07,040
at that mouth when we redid that portion

4083
02:50:07,040 --> 02:50:07,600
of the road.

4084
02:50:07,600 --> 02:50:10,000
>> Yeah. and widen it to our current ride

4085
02:50:10,000 --> 02:50:11,920
of weight. But so right now, you're

4086
02:50:11,920 --> 02:50:14,240
right, it is very narrow right there.

4087
02:50:14,240 --> 02:50:16,399
But if we did redo the road there with

4088
02:50:16,399 --> 02:50:17,279
in our right

4089
02:50:17,279 --> 02:50:19,279
>> talk about on the north end or Yes. on

4090
02:50:19,279 --> 02:50:19,760
the north.

4091
02:50:19,760 --> 02:50:21,359
>> I know. But I'm saying it's that's never

4092
02:50:21,359 --> 02:50:22,800
going to happen. And if it does, it's

4093
02:50:22,800 --> 02:50:25,840
going to be a long ways away. I just

4094
02:50:25,840 --> 02:50:28,240
think that road just 45 feet or whatever

4095
02:50:28,240 --> 02:50:31,439
it is now just consistent the whole way.

4096
02:50:31,439 --> 02:50:32,880
>> You're going to widen it. And you're

4097
02:50:32,880 --> 02:50:37,920
we're talking about the kids from the twin the the town homes or whatever.

4098
02:50:37,920 --> 02:50:40,560
All that is is asking for higher speeds,

4099
02:50:40,560 --> 02:50:43,840
faster cars.

4100
02:50:43,840 --> 02:50:47,760
>> Please feel free to try.

4101
02:50:47,760 --> 02:50:48,160
>> So

4102
02:50:48,160 --> 02:50:50,240
>> if you do, then you have to go take

4103
02:50:50,240 --> 02:50:51,920
these people on the north ends, their

4104
02:50:51,920 --> 02:50:53,680
front yards. And like I said, you

4105
02:50:53,680 --> 02:50:55,120
literally walk out and you're on the

4106
02:50:55,120 --> 02:50:55,840
sidewalk.

4107
02:50:55,840 --> 02:50:57,279
>> I think that's misleading because that's

4108
02:50:57,279 --> 02:50:59,680
not true. We wouldn't widen the ride

4109
02:50:59,680 --> 02:51:01,840
ofway anywhere. We would build to the

4110
02:51:01,840 --> 02:51:02,240
rightway.

4111
02:51:02,240 --> 02:51:03,359
>> We would build to the rightway and their

4112
02:51:03,359 --> 02:51:04,640
front yards would be

4113
02:51:04,640 --> 02:51:07,200
>> a right to build to. That's why it's

4114
02:51:07,200 --> 02:51:10,479
called a rideway. I the the the question

4115
02:51:10,479 --> 02:51:13,439
in my mind is I mean there are probably

4116
02:51:13,439 --> 02:51:16,240
some areas on that northern portion

4117
02:51:16,240 --> 02:51:20,479
where people have things out past that

4118
02:51:20,479 --> 02:51:22,160
are in the right way. I would I would

4119
02:51:22,160 --> 02:51:24,160
assume and that's why it probably

4120
02:51:24,160 --> 02:51:27,040
>> feels tighter than it actually is.

4121
02:51:27,040 --> 02:51:29,760
So, I I've done some some survey

4122
02:51:29,760 --> 02:51:33,520
research. You can see my CAD on the

4123
02:51:33,520 --> 02:51:36,640
screen, but I've pulled in surveys from,

4124
02:51:36,640 --> 02:51:38,560
you know, other other things that show

4125
02:51:38,560 --> 02:51:42,000
here's the rideway. Um, this development

4126
02:51:42,000 --> 02:51:43,680
itself. I don't know why it's glitching,

4127
02:51:43,680 --> 02:51:45,600
but

4128
02:51:45,600 --> 02:51:48,560
anyway, it and then this Legacy Lane

4129
02:51:48,560 --> 02:51:50,800
project that's here,

4130
02:51:50,800 --> 02:51:55,040
it's 60 ft from Willow, I mean from Dery

4131
02:51:55,040 --> 02:51:57,040
to Maine. That's the existing rideway

4132
02:51:57,040 --> 02:52:00,080
width, 60 feet. The only place where it

4133
02:52:00,080 --> 02:52:01,760
would be different would be at the town

4134
02:52:01,760 --> 02:52:03,600
home's frontage where it would widen by

4135
02:52:03,600 --> 02:52:07,920
three feet. We would get 63 feet.

4136
02:52:07,920 --> 02:52:09,920
And the road lanes wouldn't change at

4137
02:52:09,920 --> 02:52:11,359
all. The park strip is the only thing

4138
02:52:11,359 --> 02:52:12,800
that would be different in that area.

4139
02:52:12,800 --> 02:52:16,479
Otherwise, it's the same from Dery to

4140
02:52:16,479 --> 02:52:19,120
Maine. And it's 60 ft wide right away

4141
02:52:19,120 --> 02:52:20,640
existing.

4142
02:52:20,640 --> 02:52:21,920
We wouldn't be taking anybody's

4143
02:52:21,920 --> 02:52:23,760
property. We wouldn't be doing anything.

4144
02:52:23,760 --> 02:52:25,840
And we would just be building within our

4145
02:52:25,840 --> 02:52:27,040
existing rightway.

4146
02:52:27,040 --> 02:52:31,120
>> I get that. But I'm talking about the existing road. We're going to go

4147
02:52:31,120 --> 02:52:33,120
from 45 ft that it currently is on the

4148
02:52:33,120 --> 02:52:34,640
north end and we're going to widen it

4149
02:52:34,640 --> 02:52:37,279
out to 60 or 66, whatever we decide.

4150
02:52:37,279 --> 02:52:39,439
>> Where did you get 45 ft?

4151
02:52:39,439 --> 02:52:41,040
>> That's what the asphalt is right now.

4152
02:52:41,040 --> 02:52:42,399
I'm not saying the rightway. That's

4153
02:52:42,399 --> 02:52:46,800
what's currently asphalt on 45

4154
02:52:46,800 --> 02:52:49,680
feet more than what our standard is.

4155
02:52:49,680 --> 02:52:54,950
curb to curb the main streets where

4156
02:52:54,960 --> 02:52:55,600
» up here

4157
02:52:55,600 --> 02:52:57,200
>> because the willow apartments they jog

4158
02:52:57,200 --> 02:52:59,920
in make it a little smaller.

4159
02:52:59,920 --> 02:53:01,200
>> It's hard to see where it is and I don't

4160
02:53:01,200 --> 02:53:03,680
have a survey on it but but I think

4161
02:53:03,680 --> 02:53:09,279
that's maybe a misleading um dimension.

4162
02:53:09,279 --> 02:53:11,520
I get that maybe there's some curbs here

4163
02:53:11,520 --> 02:53:13,600
and I don't know what they are to be

4164
02:53:13,600 --> 02:53:15,520
honest. Our

4165
02:53:15,520 --> 02:53:17,439
curb to curb, what our standard would be

4166
02:53:17,439 --> 02:53:21,200
and what we would build here is 38 ft of

4167
02:53:21,200 --> 02:53:24,560
asphalt plus curb and gutter

4168
02:53:24,560 --> 02:53:26,880
all the way through.

4169
02:53:26,880 --> 02:53:28,479
And that wouldn't change whether it gets

4170
02:53:28,479 --> 02:53:30,720
to the town homes or not. It would be 38

4171
02:53:30,720 --> 02:53:32,479
ft the whole way. The only thing that

4172
02:53:32,479 --> 02:53:34,479
would be different is the park strip. We

4173
02:53:34,479 --> 02:53:36,880
would just fit this three-lane collector

4174
02:53:36,880 --> 02:53:38,319
road which is on our transportation

4175
02:53:38,319 --> 02:53:41,760
master plan. And it may not be 20 years.

4176
02:53:41,760 --> 02:53:45,279
I think I don't know when it was, but it

4177
02:53:45,279 --> 02:53:47,359
it's on that list of improvement

4178
02:53:47,359 --> 02:53:49,600
projects. I don't remember where it was,

4179
02:53:49,600 --> 02:53:52,720
what years, but anyway, it's in there.

4180
02:53:52,720 --> 02:53:55,200
>> Yeah, but Willow's a there's a lot of

4181
02:53:55,200 --> 02:53:57,840
traffic that goes up Willow. So, I mean,

4182
02:53:57,840 --> 02:54:00,240
it it's got South Willow above it, you

4183
02:54:00,240 --> 02:54:01,840
know, and they get there from other

4184
02:54:01,840 --> 02:54:04,160
areas like some come down Dery and

4185
02:54:04,160 --> 02:54:06,640
>> Yep. No, but

4186
02:54:06,640 --> 02:54:08,560
>> so we can call it what we want, but it's

4187
02:54:08,560 --> 02:54:10,560
really what are people using it for

4188
02:54:10,560 --> 02:54:11,439
unless we

4189
02:54:11,439 --> 02:54:12,000
>> Right.

4190
02:54:12,000 --> 02:54:14,960
>> I don't know what we would do to have

4191
02:54:14,960 --> 02:54:16,960
people, you know, put in a a median

4192
02:54:16,960 --> 02:54:18,720
barrier and dirty or something so it

4193
02:54:18,720 --> 02:54:20,080
wouldn't be a collector road. It

4194
02:54:20,080 --> 02:54:21,840
wouldn't get used except for local

4195
02:54:21,840 --> 02:54:23,920
residents. I mean, those are things that

4196
02:54:23,920 --> 02:54:25,920
can be done, but that's not what our

4197
02:54:25,920 --> 02:54:30,080
planning suggests or recommends. And

4198
02:54:30,080 --> 02:54:32,960
I mean, not not that we can't change,

4199
02:54:32,960 --> 02:54:36,000
right? that this this drawing and what

4200
02:54:36,000 --> 02:54:37,520
was presented as far as the drawing goes

4201
02:54:37,520 --> 02:54:39,439
is just to demonstrate what the

4202
02:54:39,439 --> 02:54:42,640
futuristic whether it's 20 years away or

4203
02:54:42,640 --> 02:54:45,600
10 or 15 or whatever it is. This is what

4204
02:54:45,600 --> 02:54:49,120
could fit in the current rideway

4205
02:54:49,120 --> 02:54:51,520
and it would match the transportation

4206
02:54:51,520 --> 02:54:53,760
master plan that we have that you guys

4207
02:54:53,760 --> 02:54:57,120
saw yesterday

4208
02:54:57,120 --> 02:54:59,040
with a lane in each direction and a

4209
02:54:59,040 --> 02:55:04,389
center turn lane.

4210
02:55:04,399 --> 02:55:05,760
But you're right, Derek. You could give

4211
02:55:05,760 --> 02:55:07,279
up that right away and keep the road and

4212
02:55:07,279 --> 02:55:08,880
narrow it down to what it looks right

4213
02:55:08,880 --> 02:55:10,800
now. But that would be a council choice

4214
02:55:10,800 --> 02:55:13,359
that they do that to that road.

4215
02:55:13,359 --> 02:55:14,720
>> That's what I'm saying. That's narrow

4216
02:55:14,720 --> 02:55:17,359
down the road. That's my that be my

4217
02:55:17,359 --> 02:55:19,600
recommendation.

4218
02:55:19,600 --> 02:55:21,680
>> I think staff's recommendation is to

4219
02:55:21,680 --> 02:55:24,560
keep the the right way as is.

4220
02:55:24,560 --> 02:55:26,800
>> If as long as you're pardon,

4221
02:55:26,800 --> 02:55:28,399
>> sorry, go ahead. No, as long as you're

4222
02:55:28,399 --> 02:55:31,120
aware that if you narrow it now, you

4223
02:55:31,120 --> 02:55:32,479
can't fit a lane in each direction with

4224
02:55:32,479 --> 02:55:33,520
the center turn lane. You're only going

4225
02:55:33,520 --> 02:55:34,800
to have a lane in each direction.

4226
02:55:34,800 --> 02:55:35,920
>> Then we're going to have to find another

4227
02:55:35,920 --> 02:55:37,760
alternative collector.

4228
02:55:37,760 --> 02:55:39,040
>> Yeah. And I think that's throughout the

4229
02:55:39,040 --> 02:55:40,720
wheel. Find find a different north

4230
02:55:40,720 --> 02:55:41,120
south.

4231
02:55:41,120 --> 02:55:43,359
>> That's another cost to add to where what

4232
02:55:43,359 --> 02:55:44,880
that would be. And then the build cost

4233
02:55:44,880 --> 02:55:46,479
of doing that.

4234
02:55:46,479 --> 02:55:49,680
>> I see. I Yeah, I don't I don't agree

4235
02:55:49,680 --> 02:55:52,000
with that. I think it needs to have an

4236
02:55:52,000 --> 02:55:54,319
opportunity for eternally. So, and we

4237
02:55:54,319 --> 02:55:59,359
already have that issue on Dery. So,

4238
02:55:59,359 --> 02:56:01,680
you know, Dery should follow the same. I

4239
02:56:01,680 --> 02:56:03,359
mean, the you have somebody that's

4240
02:56:03,359 --> 02:56:05,279
trying to make a left turn there.

4241
02:56:05,279 --> 02:56:07,040
Everybody's in line

4242
02:56:07,040 --> 02:56:08,560
>> that's wanting to turn right but can't

4243
02:56:08,560 --> 02:56:12,319
turn right. So, and vice versa. So,

4244
02:56:12,319 --> 02:56:14,240
>> at this intersection under

4245
02:56:14,240 --> 02:56:14,640
>> Yes.

4246
02:56:14,640 --> 02:56:15,439
>> Okay.

4247
02:56:15,439 --> 02:56:16,560
>> So, you would have it

4248
02:56:16,560 --> 02:56:19,439
>> turning on to Main Street. I'm saying so

4249
02:56:19,439 --> 02:56:20,399
>> from Will to Main.

4250
02:56:20,399 --> 02:56:23,200
>> Yeah. So, my my my

4251
02:56:23,200 --> 02:56:26,479
recommendation would be

4252
02:56:26,479 --> 02:56:28,640
the same as staffs is to ensure that it

4253
02:56:28,640 --> 02:56:30,640
stays

4254
02:56:30,640 --> 02:56:31,439
that way.

4255
02:56:31,439 --> 02:56:34,479
>> Would you want the the three feet extra

4256
02:56:34,479 --> 02:56:36,399
during the

4257
02:56:36,399 --> 02:56:37,920
um

4258
02:56:37,920 --> 02:56:40,479
town homes or would you like that to go

4259
02:56:40,479 --> 02:56:50,469
be the 60 ft all the way down?

4260
02:56:50,479 --> 02:56:53,760
understand that if you change it, that

4261
02:56:53,760 --> 02:56:56,000
may have an implication to the platting

4262
02:56:56,000 --> 02:56:58,560
and other stuff, you know, unless you

4263
02:56:58,560 --> 02:57:00,319
keep the ride away and just say built

4264
02:57:00,319 --> 02:57:04,080
the sidewalk straight through

4265
02:57:04,080 --> 02:57:05,600
because the plat's prepared. It's not

4266
02:57:05,600 --> 02:57:08,000
recorded. Doesn't need to come back for

4267
02:57:08,000 --> 02:57:13,279
approvals if you change the plat. Um

4268
02:57:13,279 --> 02:57:14,640
those are implications to the

4269
02:57:14,640 --> 02:57:16,880
development that

4270
02:57:16,880 --> 02:57:19,680
you know just timing

4271
02:57:19,680 --> 02:57:21,520
if you're going to consider his timing

4272
02:57:21,520 --> 02:57:24,640
and and you know in good faith keep him

4273
02:57:24,640 --> 02:57:27,040
>> whole and maybe the rideway stays where

4274
02:57:27,040 --> 02:57:28,720
it is but the sidewalk goes straight

4275
02:57:28,720 --> 02:57:30,080
through. I don't know.

4276
02:57:30,080 --> 02:57:32,640
>> I just wanted to clarify um because I

4277
02:57:32,640 --> 02:57:34,319
I'm sitting in the back trying to follow

4278
02:57:34,319 --> 02:57:36,800
along and maybe I misunderstood. Was was

4279
02:57:36,800 --> 02:57:38,800
there a recommendation that we take

4280
02:57:38,800 --> 02:57:42,319
existing city rightway and

4281
02:57:42,319 --> 02:57:44,319
deed it to adjacent property owners in

4282
02:57:44,319 --> 02:57:46,800
the name of narrowing a street down? Was

4283
02:57:46,800 --> 02:57:49,840
that what the suggestion was? Because

4284
02:57:49,840 --> 02:57:52,560
that's what I'm trying to wrap my mind

4285
02:57:52,560 --> 02:57:54,240
around. We're trying to get right away

4286
02:57:54,240 --> 02:57:56,479
everywhere else in town and on this road

4287
02:57:56,479 --> 02:57:59,200
maybe the suggestion was let's narrow it

4288
02:57:59,200 --> 02:58:01,680
down. Was that

4289
02:58:01,680 --> 02:58:04,720
>> Yeah. Keep keep a little straight. I'm

4290
02:58:04,720 --> 02:58:06,240
not saying take the rideway away. Keep

4291
02:58:06,240 --> 02:58:07,680
the rideway where it's at, but keep the

4292
02:58:07,680 --> 02:58:10,720
road narrow from north to south.

4293
02:58:10,720 --> 02:58:15,200
>> Oh, okay. I just didn't understand.

4294
02:58:15,200 --> 02:58:17,600
>> I I think you need to No, that was not

4295
02:58:17,600 --> 02:58:18,399
my suggestion.

4296
02:58:18,399 --> 02:58:19,520
>> That was mine.

4297
02:58:19,520 --> 02:58:21,200
>> So, one one more detail that would be

4298
02:58:21,200 --> 02:58:24,080
beneficial is if we understood

4299
02:58:24,080 --> 02:58:26,319
>> what the front the leftover front yard

4300
02:58:26,319 --> 02:58:27,439
would be.

4301
02:58:27,439 --> 02:58:30,319
>> So, based off your 66 foot rideway, how

4302
02:58:30,319 --> 02:58:32,319
much front yard would those people have

4303
02:58:32,319 --> 02:58:34,720
left? So I don't think the intention is

4304
02:58:34,720 --> 02:58:36,720
take any of their front yards.

4305
02:58:36,720 --> 02:58:37,359
>> But it will.

4306
02:58:37,359 --> 02:58:38,319
>> You would though.

4307
02:58:38,319 --> 02:58:40,319
>> Why?

4308
02:58:40,319 --> 02:58:42,240
>> 20 years. We're going to widen this road

4309
02:58:42,240 --> 02:58:43,120
and we going to

4310
02:58:43,120 --> 02:58:44,319
>> But we wouldn't take any of their

4311
02:58:44,319 --> 02:58:44,880
property.

4312
02:58:44,880 --> 02:58:47,040
>> You'd have to

4313
02:58:47,040 --> 02:58:48,720
No, you wouldn't technically. You got to

4314
02:58:48,720 --> 02:58:50,319
remember Barry's talking in a box that

4315
02:58:50,319 --> 02:58:51,200
he has to.

4316
02:58:51,200 --> 02:58:51,520
>> Right.

4317
02:58:51,520 --> 02:58:53,439
>> You guys are seeing what's happened. So

4318
02:58:53,439 --> 02:58:55,040
in his box, you're not going to take any

4319
02:58:55,040 --> 02:58:56,399
of their property because right now they

4320
02:58:56,399 --> 02:59:02,240
only have 15 foot front yards. This is 25 ft from this pink line to the

4321
02:59:02,240 --> 02:59:03,439
back of the proposed

4322
02:59:03,439 --> 02:59:04,960
>> future. You're going to reduce their

4323
02:59:04,960 --> 02:59:06,160
front yards.

4324
02:59:06,160 --> 02:59:06,479
>> No,

4325
02:59:06,479 --> 02:59:07,760
>> what they've been using as their front

4326
02:59:07,760 --> 02:59:09,920
yards.

4327
02:59:09,920 --> 02:59:11,680
>> I don't think in a lot of places that's

4328
02:59:11,680 --> 02:59:13,200
very true. I mean, certainly in some

4329
02:59:13,200 --> 02:59:15,040
cases, but you look at like this line

4330
02:59:15,040 --> 02:59:17,680
right here that's blue is the rideway

4331
02:59:17,680 --> 02:59:19,040
line and which would be the future back

4332
02:59:19,040 --> 02:59:21,040
of walk. This house right here, yeah,

4333
02:59:21,040 --> 02:59:22,560
they have a driveway. The grass comes

4334
02:59:22,560 --> 02:59:25,520
out to here. Um, these people's driveway

4335
02:59:25,520 --> 02:59:29,279
comes roughly to the to the rideway

4336
02:59:29,279 --> 02:59:32,080
boundary. Um, this one goes out to to

4337
02:59:32,080 --> 02:59:35,439
meet the pavement, but their fence is a

4338
02:59:35,439 --> 02:59:36,800
little bit extended. This fence is a

4339
02:59:36,800 --> 02:59:41,030
little extra.

4340
02:59:41,040 --> 02:59:43,120
That house most likely only has a two

4341
02:59:43,120 --> 02:59:44,479
foot overhang.

4342
02:59:44,479 --> 02:59:45,200
>> Which house?

4343
02:59:45,200 --> 02:59:46,399
>> The one that you were just

4344
02:59:46,399 --> 02:59:47,040
>> This one?

4345
02:59:47,040 --> 02:59:48,240
>> No, down.

4346
02:59:48,240 --> 02:59:48,880
>> Down here.

4347
02:59:48,880 --> 02:59:49,840
>> No, back up.

4348
02:59:49,840 --> 02:59:50,560
>> Oh, pardon.

4349
02:59:50,560 --> 02:59:52,240
>> Barely. It's right there. that hip proof

4350
02:59:52,240 --> 02:59:52,640
one

4351
02:59:52,640 --> 02:59:53,359
>> right here.

4352
02:59:53,359 --> 02:59:54,000
>> Yeah.

4353
02:59:54,000 --> 02:59:55,359
>> So, yeah, and that's why I wanted to

4354
02:59:55,359 --> 02:59:57,040
point out that you can see right here at

4355
02:59:57,040 --> 02:59:58,560
this location is the grass where the

4356
02:59:58,560 --> 03:00:00,080
grass meets the house. So, there's this

4357
03:00:00,080 --> 03:00:03,840
much distance that's misleading from the

4358
03:00:03,840 --> 03:00:05,840
roof that's similar to this distance

4359
03:00:05,840 --> 03:00:07,120
>> oblique angle of the image.

4360
03:00:07,120 --> 03:00:10,080
>> The oblique angle of the image. So, this

4361
03:00:10,080 --> 03:00:12,240
line right or this image out here on

4362
03:00:12,240 --> 03:00:16,319
this roof isn't the same vertically to

4363
03:00:16,319 --> 03:00:17,920
where the footing is.

4364
03:00:17,920 --> 03:00:19,760
>> You got to measure the driveway. Well,

4365
03:00:19,760 --> 03:00:21,680
if we have a little more time and you

4366
03:00:21,680 --> 03:00:24,080
guys don't make a decision tonight,

4367
03:00:24,080 --> 03:00:25,840
staff could go shoot this and give you

4368
03:00:25,840 --> 03:00:26,800
that exact measure.

4369
03:00:26,800 --> 03:00:28,720
>> Hey, seeing it from here is great. I've

4370
03:00:28,720 --> 03:00:30,640
walked out there and physically stood in

4371
03:00:30,640 --> 03:00:32,240
the yard and we marked where that where

4372
03:00:32,240 --> 03:00:34,080
it would be where the back of curb and

4373
03:00:34,080 --> 03:00:36,560
gutter would be. You're Yes, it's not

4374
03:00:36,560 --> 03:00:38,800
their yard, it's the rideway. But

4375
03:00:38,800 --> 03:00:40,080
literally, they would walk into their

4376
03:00:40,080 --> 03:00:41,840
front yard, then the ride rightway would

4377
03:00:41,840 --> 03:00:43,279
be there, and they'd be walking right on

4378
03:00:43,279 --> 03:00:45,600
out to the smell. Would it benefit if I

4379
03:00:45,600 --> 03:00:48,160
staked out where the rideway boundary is

4380
03:00:48,160 --> 03:00:50,240
at the fence lines on several places

4381
03:00:50,240 --> 03:00:50,880
along here?

4382
03:00:50,880 --> 03:00:52,160
>> I think that would be great

4383
03:00:52,160 --> 03:00:53,760
>> cuz I think you'll see that we're not

4384
03:00:53,760 --> 03:00:55,200
taking people's front yards.

4385
03:00:55,200 --> 03:01:00,960
>> Well, and and and the thing and the and the issue the issue is is it's a

4386
03:01:00,960 --> 03:01:02,960
rideway like

4387
03:01:02,960 --> 03:01:05,120
>> when I say we don't design roadways

4388
03:01:05,120 --> 03:01:07,200
based on

4389
03:01:07,200 --> 03:01:08,240
>> on

4390
03:01:08,240 --> 03:01:09,040
>> encroachments

4391
03:01:09,040 --> 03:01:12,800
>> encroachment. So, um,

4392
03:01:12,800 --> 03:01:14,720
>> you know, I understand it and I

4393
03:01:14,720 --> 03:01:16,000
understand the need to marry them

4394
03:01:16,000 --> 03:01:17,710
together and to marry him good.

4395
03:01:17,710 --> 03:01:18,720
[clears throat]

4396
03:01:18,720 --> 03:01:23,600
>> Um, but yeah, I Yeah, I think we'd like to probably

4397
03:01:23,600 --> 03:01:27,040
see that. I know Sean's probably needing

4398
03:01:27,040 --> 03:01:29,920
some decisions to to pour a driveway

4399
03:01:29,920 --> 03:01:30,560
forward.

4400
03:01:30,560 --> 03:01:32,319
>> If we have a decision in two weeks, I'm

4401
03:01:32,319 --> 03:01:33,120
good.

4402
03:01:33,120 --> 03:01:34,720
>> I just want this done right. You know,

4403
03:01:34,720 --> 03:01:36,479
we talk about not taking people's front

4404
03:01:36,479 --> 03:01:38,240
yard. How much your front yard have we

4405
03:01:38,240 --> 03:01:39,520
taken in your perspective?

4406
03:01:39,520 --> 03:01:40,640
>> Two feet.

4407
03:01:40,640 --> 03:01:42,080
>> Two and a half. Almost three feet.

4408
03:01:42,080 --> 03:01:44,399
>> They think that's theirs. The rideway is

4409
03:01:44,399 --> 03:01:46,560
back there. Barry showed them where they

4410
03:01:46,560 --> 03:01:47,359
signed and gave [clears throat] that

4411
03:01:47,359 --> 03:01:47,760
away.

4412
03:01:47,760 --> 03:01:48,640
>> Originally it was.

4413
03:01:48,640 --> 03:01:51,520
>> Our world of us that understand this is

4414
03:01:51,520 --> 03:01:53,760
different than everyone else's world.

4415
03:01:53,760 --> 03:01:55,840
And we've got to start looking at that

4416
03:01:55,840 --> 03:01:57,840
and we've got to start helping them

4417
03:01:57,840 --> 03:02:00,479
understand what's about to happen. If if

4418
03:02:00,479 --> 03:02:02,080
everyone on Willow Street knew what was

4419
03:02:02,080 --> 03:02:03,359
about to happen, this room would be

4420
03:02:03,359 --> 03:02:05,600
purple

4421
03:02:05,600 --> 03:02:08,640
and they would not be pleased.

4422
03:02:08,640 --> 03:02:10,240
It would look like that's the reason why

4423
03:02:10,240 --> 03:02:12,800
we did what we did with Matthews Lane

4424
03:02:12,800 --> 03:02:14,560
where the that Matthews Lane would have

4425
03:02:14,560 --> 03:02:16,319
been right in front of the Hall's old

4426
03:02:16,319 --> 03:02:18,240
house and the the trailer up the street

4427
03:02:18,240 --> 03:02:19,200
from it. We would have been right in

4428
03:02:19,200 --> 03:02:20,000
their front yard.

4429
03:02:20,000 --> 03:02:20,880
>> Yeah. I mean, I

4430
03:02:20,880 --> 03:02:22,880
>> but we we jut it in just for that

4431
03:02:22,880 --> 03:02:25,359
reason. But what's going to happen here?

4432
03:02:25,359 --> 03:02:27,200
>> I get that. But when you have your

4433
03:02:27,200 --> 03:02:30,160
property lot surveyed and and you build

4434
03:02:30,160 --> 03:02:32,960
past those things, I I understand the

4435
03:02:32,960 --> 03:02:36,960
reason why you do. Um, but we have to

4436
03:02:36,960 --> 03:02:38,800
keep that into consideration, too.

4437
03:02:38,800 --> 03:02:40,960
>> That was changed after our lawn was in

4438
03:02:40,960 --> 03:02:41,279
though,

4439
03:02:41,279 --> 03:02:41,760
>> was it?

4440
03:02:41,760 --> 03:02:43,359
>> The original property line was where we

4441
03:02:43,359 --> 03:02:44,800
have our lawn and then when my dad cut

4442
03:02:44,800 --> 03:02:46,560
his subdivision or culde-sac that went

4443
03:02:46,560 --> 03:02:48,479
back in there, unbeknownst to us, it got

4444
03:02:48,479 --> 03:02:50,160
pulled back by about two and a half feet

4445
03:02:50,160 --> 03:02:51,840
and so that's where it's at. So what

4446
03:02:51,840 --> 03:02:54,399
would that just if you're okay if I ask

4447
03:02:54,399 --> 03:02:55,520
>> your property and what's

4448
03:02:55,520 --> 03:02:57,279
>> what would that affect in the front two

4449
03:02:57,279 --> 03:03:00,560
feet of your of your property? Can I

4450
03:03:00,560 --> 03:03:03,439
just you're okay if I ask what likeass

4451
03:03:03,439 --> 03:03:05,279
grass I've got sprinklers I mean that'

4452
03:03:05,279 --> 03:03:07,200
all have to be done that'd be a cost to

4453
03:03:07,200 --> 03:03:09,040
sean an additional cost and if you just

4454
03:03:09,040 --> 03:03:11,279
pulled that out two feet nobody would be

4455
03:03:11,279 --> 03:03:12,160
affected

4456
03:03:12,160 --> 03:03:14,240
>> and the elevation's going to be

4457
03:03:14,240 --> 03:03:16,080
>> close [clears throat] and I can speak

4458
03:03:16,080 --> 03:03:17,279
for Doug

4459
03:03:17,279 --> 03:03:19,120
>> we're both against park strip we don't

4460
03:03:19,120 --> 03:03:21,680
want park strip we keep talking about

4461
03:03:21,680 --> 03:03:26,000
the flood control the overflow well give

4462
03:03:26,000 --> 03:03:31,750
us 27 inches like you got along works

4463
03:03:31,760 --> 03:03:34,319
» on on again right against the you're

4464
03:03:34,319 --> 03:03:36,399
saying put it just back slightly off the

4465
03:03:36,399 --> 03:03:37,279
curb.

4466
03:03:37,279 --> 03:03:38,560
>> I mean it's already one of the most

4467
03:03:38,560 --> 03:03:40,160
narrow streets in town.

4468
03:03:40,160 --> 03:03:40,640
>> Yeah.

4469
03:03:40,640 --> 03:03:42,640
>> You know, you can't if somebody's parked

4470
03:03:42,640 --> 03:03:43,920
on the side of the road down on the

4471
03:03:43,920 --> 03:03:45,359
north end. You can't you have to stop

4472
03:03:45,359 --> 03:03:46,560
and let somebody come by,

4473
03:03:46,560 --> 03:03:47,279
>> right?

4474
03:03:47,279 --> 03:03:49,359
>> You know, and all we're doing is choking

4475
03:03:49,359 --> 03:03:52,080
them back down. We got this big bubble

4476
03:03:52,080 --> 03:03:54,399
for the town homes and then we choke it

4477
03:03:54,399 --> 03:03:56,399
back down again by putting a 5ft park

4478
03:03:56,399 --> 03:03:59,487
strip.

4479
03:03:59,497 --> 03:04:00,800
[clears throat] I mean we're when we

4480
03:04:00,800 --> 03:04:02,771
talk about the water flow we're talking

4481
03:04:02,771 --> 03:04:04,950
[laughter]

4482
03:04:04,960 --> 03:04:08,319
100 foot in rats and 100 foot in Doug by

4483
03:04:08,319 --> 03:04:10,160
the time it gets to me where we got the

4484
03:04:10,160 --> 03:04:12,640
two big sump drains which we haven't

4485
03:04:12,640 --> 03:04:16,080
even looked at or considered. So, I

4486
03:04:16,080 --> 03:04:19,200
mean, we're talking 200 ft of rain,

4487
03:04:19,200 --> 03:04:22,800
>> you know, that we got in October,

4488
03:04:22,800 --> 03:04:26,000
>> didn't even come close to us.

4489
03:04:26,000 --> 03:04:28,240
>> And that's a point. That's a good point.

4490
03:04:28,240 --> 03:04:31,840
I think in the future, these roads will eventually connect with curb and

4491
03:04:31,840 --> 03:04:34,000
gutter and and there's the potential

4492
03:04:34,000 --> 03:04:37,359
that a lot of

4493
03:04:37,359 --> 03:04:38,880
wherever

4494
03:04:38,880 --> 03:04:41,760
Dury Street has a high point that that

4495
03:04:41,760 --> 03:04:44,240
comes back to here can be channeled and

4496
03:04:44,240 --> 03:04:45,600
sent down Willow Street. if we don't put

4497
03:04:45,600 --> 03:04:48,000
in storm drain, which which is, you

4498
03:04:48,000 --> 03:04:49,520
know,

4499
03:04:49,520 --> 03:04:51,279
likely that we put in storm drain and so

4500
03:04:51,279 --> 03:04:52,560
that it wouldn't come around the corner.

4501
03:04:52,560 --> 03:04:55,120
But, um,

4502
03:04:55,120 --> 03:04:58,399
in any case, um, beyond the drainage, I

4503
03:04:58,399 --> 03:04:59,920
mean, we we do want to keep the drainage

4504
03:04:59,920 --> 03:05:02,479
of the city's property in the city's

4505
03:05:02,479 --> 03:05:07,920
property as much as possible, right? To eliminate the potential for for

4506
03:05:07,920 --> 03:05:11,359
hazard litigation, whatever that may may

4507
03:05:11,359 --> 03:05:14,240
come up. It's just the practice. And

4508
03:05:14,240 --> 03:05:18,080
then um yeah, the park strip distance

4509
03:05:18,080 --> 03:05:21,040
offers some traversible driveway to to

4510
03:05:21,040 --> 03:05:24,160
get from pavement up to a place where

4511
03:05:24,160 --> 03:05:26,479
the drainage can be contained within the

4512
03:05:26,479 --> 03:05:28,960
rightway.

4513
03:05:28,960 --> 03:05:34,479
So, I don't I don't know if this is any of this makes sense

4514
03:05:34,479 --> 03:05:37,279
um because of what what's on the screen,

4515
03:05:37,279 --> 03:05:42,000
but from what I see, everybody's yard or

4516
03:05:42,000 --> 03:05:43,680
for the most part, everybody's home is

4517
03:05:43,680 --> 03:05:46,479
25 ft away from the

4518
03:05:46,479 --> 03:05:48,960
current rideway in

4519
03:05:48,960 --> 03:05:50,960
>> right would be the back of curb.

4520
03:05:50,960 --> 03:05:52,479
>> Yes. Back of sidewalk.

4521
03:05:52,479 --> 03:05:53,439
>> Back of sidewalk.

4522
03:05:53,439 --> 03:05:55,040
>> Yeah.

4523
03:05:55,040 --> 03:05:57,279
I mean, if if you look on here, this

4524
03:05:57,279 --> 03:05:58,800
fence comes out a little bit, but there

4525
03:05:58,800 --> 03:06:04,640
might be some skew in the image on the fence. Um, a lot of these

4526
03:06:04,640 --> 03:06:08,399
driveways are are coming out and built

4527
03:06:08,399 --> 03:06:11,359
very close to

4528
03:06:11,359 --> 03:06:13,200
I mean, this extends a little bit

4529
03:06:13,200 --> 03:06:15,680
further.

4530
03:06:15,680 --> 03:06:17,920
This fence line is is basically right on

4531
03:06:17,920 --> 03:06:20,960
the line.

4532
03:06:20,960 --> 03:06:24,880
Um, yeah. A a lot of is it a park

4533
03:06:24,880 --> 03:06:25,439
required?

4534
03:06:25,439 --> 03:06:27,120
>> Now, Barry, would it be appropriate to

4535
03:06:27,120 --> 03:06:30,160
say that that sidewalk on the east side,

4536
03:06:30,160 --> 03:06:31,600
does it line up with the existing

4537
03:06:31,600 --> 03:06:33,760
sidewalk or you're pushing that sidewalk

4538
03:06:33,760 --> 03:06:35,439
further east, right?

4539
03:06:35,439 --> 03:06:38,240
>> Yeah. So, it's in the correct like

4540
03:06:38,240 --> 03:06:42,479
ultimately correct space here at this

4541
03:06:42,479 --> 03:06:45,200
>> but but then it does let me uh

4542
03:06:45,200 --> 03:06:47,920
>> do this. makes this little jog right

4543
03:06:47,920 --> 03:06:50,000
here

4544
03:06:50,000 --> 03:06:51,840
away from the fence line or the the

4545
03:06:51,840 --> 03:06:53,359
rideway boundary and then it more or

4546
03:06:53,359 --> 03:06:55,920
less follows that same alignment. So,

4547
03:06:55,920 --> 03:06:58,720
it's not in the ultimate correct or

4548
03:06:58,720 --> 03:07:00,240
planned

4549
03:07:00,240 --> 03:07:02,399
position where it would be right at the

4550
03:07:02,399 --> 03:07:03,840
back of the ride ofway.

4551
03:07:03,840 --> 03:07:06,160
>> So, your 66T rightway is affecting

4552
03:07:06,160 --> 03:07:09,600
everyone on the road.

4553
03:07:09,600 --> 03:07:10,319
>> Correct.

4554
03:07:10,319 --> 03:07:11,760
>> I don't know what you mean by that. See

4555
03:07:11,760 --> 03:07:11,920
that?

4556
03:07:11,920 --> 03:07:13,520
>> Yeah. The sidewalk will push.

4557
03:07:13,520 --> 03:07:14,000
>> Yes.

4558
03:07:14,000 --> 03:07:16,479
>> It would have to get rebuilt. Yeah.

4559
03:07:16,479 --> 03:07:18,800
>> But do they understand that? See what

4560
03:07:18,800 --> 03:07:20,640
I'm saying? It's that whole side, you're

4561
03:07:20,640 --> 03:07:22,399
going to go rip up all their front yards

4562
03:07:22,399 --> 03:07:24,399
because it's your right away. This side,

4563
03:07:24,399 --> 03:07:25,840
the same thing. You're affecting

4564
03:07:25,840 --> 03:07:28,640
everyone on that entire road.

4565
03:07:28,640 --> 03:07:30,080
And I don't think everyone understands

4566
03:07:30,080 --> 03:07:31,840
that.

4567
03:07:31,840 --> 03:07:34,080
>> Well, we're not doing this tomorrow. And

4568
03:07:34,080 --> 03:07:35,920
there's certainly some public, you know,

4569
03:07:35,920 --> 03:07:37,200
we do these kind of projects. There's

4570
03:07:37,200 --> 03:07:42,080
some public outreach and and information

4571
03:07:42,080 --> 03:07:44,319
sharing and and those kinds of things.

4572
03:07:44,319 --> 03:07:47,279
um public involvement that would take

4573
03:07:47,279 --> 03:07:49,359
place obviously, but

4574
03:07:49,359 --> 03:07:51,680
>> my suggestion to other members, I don't

4575
03:07:51,680 --> 03:07:53,200
know if anyone has done it. I might have

4576
03:07:53,200 --> 03:07:55,359
been the only one, but go walk Willow

4577
03:07:55,359 --> 03:07:57,760
Street and see where those marks markers

4578
03:07:57,760 --> 03:08:00,319
are. I'm sure Sean like you did me'd be

4579
03:08:00,319 --> 03:08:03,760
happy to walk your he do it because I

4580
03:08:03,760 --> 03:08:06,000
was major that existing sidewalk that's

4581
03:08:06,000 --> 03:08:08,240
wrong and so they're going to move. It

4582
03:08:08,240 --> 03:08:09,359
looks like they're going to move about

4583
03:08:09,359 --> 03:08:11,359
three or four feet where you and I were.

4584
03:08:11,359 --> 03:08:13,040
But once Barry does it, then you'll know

4585
03:08:13,040 --> 03:08:14,720
exactly what your evidence.

4586
03:08:14,720 --> 03:08:17,830
>> Yeah.

4587
03:08:17,840 --> 03:08:19,520
» I think to be able to make a decision, I

4588
03:08:19,520 --> 03:08:21,600
need to see that and have some

4589
03:08:21,600 --> 03:08:24,160
conversations regarding with some of the

4590
03:08:24,160 --> 03:08:25,040
residents there.

4591
03:08:25,040 --> 03:08:26,720
>> Okay.

4592
03:08:26,720 --> 03:08:29,279
>> I know we're talking a time that needs

4593
03:08:29,279 --> 03:08:31,120
time frame that needs to probably move

4594
03:08:31,120 --> 03:08:32,640
pretty quickly. I think we can

4595
03:08:32,640 --> 03:08:34,000
accommodate that

4596
03:08:34,000 --> 03:08:36,720
>> realistically if I can start in the road

4597
03:08:36,720 --> 03:08:38,319
after school is out. That's what we

4598
03:08:38,319 --> 03:08:41,120
agreed to at precon. So obviously

4599
03:08:41,120 --> 03:08:42,399
there's some paperwork that needs to be

4600
03:08:42,399 --> 03:08:43,920
done there. As long as all that can be

4601
03:08:43,920 --> 03:08:46,880
done, we can get into the road come when

4602
03:08:46,880 --> 03:08:49,520
we get out of school Memorial Day June

4603
03:08:49,520 --> 03:08:51,120
first.

4604
03:08:51,120 --> 03:08:53,279
That's totally reasonable. And we can

4605
03:08:53,279 --> 03:08:55,359
put this on the next council meeting and

4606
03:08:55,359 --> 03:08:58,000
try to get it addressed if council wants

4607
03:08:58,000 --> 03:08:59,680
to come look or whatever, like what

4608
03:08:59,680 --> 03:09:01,600
questions exactly are you wanting so we

4609
03:09:01,600 --> 03:09:05,600
can prep that, send it to you off

4610
03:09:05,600 --> 03:09:07,279
in an email to kind of give you an idea

4611
03:09:07,279 --> 03:09:08,960
of what's going on with this, what

4612
03:09:08,960 --> 03:09:10,319
answer those questions.

4613
03:09:10,319 --> 03:09:11,680
>> I think the biggest thing is how is this

4614
03:09:11,680 --> 03:09:13,439
affecting the citizens? How much are we

4615
03:09:13,439 --> 03:09:14,880
taking of lots? How much are we taking

4616
03:09:14,880 --> 03:09:16,800
of things that are already there? Now, I

4617
03:09:16,800 --> 03:09:18,000
know I know what we're saying. We

4618
03:09:18,000 --> 03:09:19,760
already we own the rideway, but how much

4619
03:09:19,760 --> 03:09:21,920
are we going to be disrupting them

4620
03:09:21,920 --> 03:09:22,720
affecting them,

4621
03:09:22,720 --> 03:09:23,920
>> right?

4622
03:09:23,920 --> 03:09:26,319
>> And and for us, I mean, and the two and

4623
03:09:26,319 --> 03:09:27,920
a half feet or whatever is not as big a

4624
03:09:27,920 --> 03:09:29,920
deal as the the elevation. I mean, I

4625
03:09:29,920 --> 03:09:31,760
just don't know. I just can't physically

4626
03:09:31,760 --> 03:09:32,880
wrap my head around how we're going to

4627
03:09:32,880 --> 03:09:34,399
get in the driveway without having to

4628
03:09:34,399 --> 03:09:35,840
have the same situation as on the east

4629
03:09:35,840 --> 03:09:37,120
side where those people have to go in

4630
03:09:37,120 --> 03:09:39,040
there, overcross the sidewalk, and drop

4631
03:09:39,040 --> 03:09:40,640
back down into their driveway. It's a

4632
03:09:40,640 --> 03:09:41,600
mess.

4633
03:09:41,600 --> 03:09:43,200
>> Yeah. So, that's like

4634
03:09:43,200 --> 03:09:44,720
>> I think that's the biggest thing that

4635
03:09:44,720 --> 03:09:47,680
seeing it in person and walking it is

4636
03:09:47,680 --> 03:09:48,880
what that shows you.

4637
03:09:48,880 --> 03:09:50,560
>> I don't know if these kind of numbers

4638
03:09:50,560 --> 03:09:52,560
would make any sense, but this is this

4639
03:09:52,560 --> 03:09:55,040
is the Ericson's driveway right here on

4640
03:09:55,040 --> 03:09:56,960
the screen.

4641
03:09:56,960 --> 03:09:58,479
>> So, can I just ask while we look at

4642
03:09:58,479 --> 03:10:00,720
this, does the modified does this fix

4643
03:10:00,720 --> 03:10:02,560
that?

4644
03:10:02,560 --> 03:10:06,800
>> Not really. The difference is 2 in.

4645
03:10:06,800 --> 03:10:08,479
>> Okay.

4646
03:10:08,479 --> 03:10:11,520
>> Lessens the incline. Just it's still an

4647
03:10:11,520 --> 03:10:12,640
incline. So this is

4648
03:10:12,640 --> 03:10:14,399
>> you can't drop the elevation of the you

4649
03:10:14,399 --> 03:10:16,080
can't drop the elevation from the road

4650
03:10:16,080 --> 03:10:17,680
down to the

4651
03:10:17,680 --> 03:10:21,359
>> So this is not a solution.

4652
03:10:21,359 --> 03:10:23,840
>> You could use that that curb and gutter,

4653
03:10:23,840 --> 03:10:26,560
but it what it does is if your road is

4654
03:10:26,560 --> 03:10:27,680
kind of fixed because you're trying to

4655
03:10:27,680 --> 03:10:29,840
match into existing and come at a at a

4656
03:10:29,840 --> 03:10:31,840
draining grade, then you're going to

4657
03:10:31,840 --> 03:10:34,720
step up either 6 in well actually 4 in

4658
03:10:34,720 --> 03:10:38,640
or or 2 in. It it's it doesn't change a

4659
03:10:38,640 --> 03:10:42,319
lot as far as elevation. Um, unless the

4660
03:10:42,319 --> 03:10:44,000
only benefit that you you could get out

4661
03:10:44,000 --> 03:10:46,160
of this is if you lowered the sidewalk

4662
03:10:46,160 --> 03:10:47,680
behind the curb and gutter, but then

4663
03:10:47,680 --> 03:10:50,000
when you have driveways,

4664
03:10:50,000 --> 03:10:52,399
then the water from the road will run

4665
03:10:52,399 --> 03:10:54,960
into their yard and then unless you

4666
03:10:54,960 --> 03:10:58,800
contain it. So maybe the this modified

4667
03:10:58,800 --> 03:11:01,200
curbon gutter where there isn't a place

4668
03:11:01,200 --> 03:11:03,600
where it, you know, dips into a a

4669
03:11:03,600 --> 03:11:05,120
driveway

4670
03:11:05,120 --> 03:11:06,960
kind of contains the the drainage, but

4671
03:11:06,960 --> 03:11:08,319
there's a limit to it. It doesn't offer

4672
03:11:08,319 --> 03:11:10,080
the same drainage capacity as the

4673
03:11:10,080 --> 03:11:12,800
highback does. And you're and you're

4674
03:11:12,800 --> 03:11:15,200
only getting a little bit of elevation,

4675
03:11:15,200 --> 03:11:16,880
you know, as far as where the sidewalk

4676
03:11:16,880 --> 03:11:23,520
goes, where the driveways tie in. It's 2 in. And this plan has already

4677
03:11:23,520 --> 03:11:25,359
made a little bit of a modification to

4678
03:11:25,359 --> 03:11:27,520
the to the position, vertical position

4679
03:11:27,520 --> 03:11:29,359
of the sidewalk at the driveways. And

4680
03:11:29,359 --> 03:11:31,439
you can see here, this is the plan

4681
03:11:31,439 --> 03:11:33,840
elevation with a 9.18 at the end. And

4682
03:11:33,840 --> 03:11:35,760
then it comes back here to a 9.25

4683
03:11:35,760 --> 03:11:37,520
slightly above that. But that's come

4684
03:11:37,520 --> 03:11:39,439
coming back to match into their existing

4685
03:11:39,439 --> 03:11:42,399
driveway. So the driveway would be cut

4686
03:11:42,399 --> 03:11:45,920
for this portion and then it would be

4687
03:11:45,920 --> 03:11:49,040
sloped from the back of the sidewalk up

4688
03:11:49,040 --> 03:11:51,680
until this point and it would match in.

4689
03:11:51,680 --> 03:11:54,080
And similarly to

4690
03:11:54,080 --> 03:11:57,600
um the EANS who are the neighbor a

4691
03:11:57,600 --> 03:11:59,840
little bit further south. Oops, not the

4692
03:11:59,840 --> 03:12:02,640
right sheet. Bear with me.

4693
03:12:02,640 --> 03:12:06,960
Um, this one is so Ericson's are over

4694
03:12:06,960 --> 03:12:08,399
here. Then you got this Chester Hollow

4695
03:12:08,399 --> 03:12:10,560
Road and then the Eekans driveway is

4696
03:12:10,560 --> 03:12:13,600
this one. Again, elevations at the back

4697
03:12:13,600 --> 03:12:18,319
of sidewalk 1129 and 1136, 1128 and

4698
03:12:18,319 --> 03:12:21,040
1120. So, they are they would have to

4699
03:12:21,040 --> 03:12:22,399
come back in here and cut out their

4700
03:12:22,399 --> 03:12:24,880
driveway and repour that to make it all

4701
03:12:24,880 --> 03:12:28,640
blend in and match. Um, and same thing

4702
03:12:28,640 --> 03:12:30,640
happens here.

4703
03:12:30,640 --> 03:12:32,880
And that's with this highback curb and

4704
03:12:32,880 --> 03:12:37,279
gutter traditional standard stuff. Um,

4705
03:12:37,279 --> 03:12:39,680
so that's already kind of planned to be

4706
03:12:39,680 --> 03:12:41,680
done

4707
03:12:41,680 --> 03:12:45,200
as far as the construction drawings,

4708
03:12:45,200 --> 03:12:47,359
but that could be changed to a modified

4709
03:12:47,359 --> 03:12:50,240
curb and then, you know, maybe this

4710
03:12:50,240 --> 03:12:53,040
driveway gets cut back slightly less.

4711
03:12:53,040 --> 03:13:00,870
You know, I don't know how much, but

4712
03:13:00,880 --> 03:13:05,600
And just for the record, like I'm not uh

4713
03:13:05,600 --> 03:13:08,000
>> So, can I ask you if I was just to pay

4714
03:13:08,000 --> 03:13:10,399
for the concrete if I have to cut half

4715
03:13:10,399 --> 03:13:12,640
my driveway out?

4716
03:13:12,640 --> 03:13:15,600
>> That would if I don't misunderstand the

4717
03:13:15,600 --> 03:13:18,000
rules, if you have a private property

4718
03:13:18,000 --> 03:13:20,560
and and some project comes along, they

4719
03:13:20,560 --> 03:13:22,160
need to make you whole again. And so, it

4720
03:13:22,160 --> 03:13:23,920
would be on the developments.

4721
03:13:23,920 --> 03:13:25,680
>> What's that distance? Because that's the

4722
03:13:25,680 --> 03:13:27,200
way I understand it, too. There's a

4723
03:13:27,200 --> 03:13:29,920
distance that I have to correct you to.

4724
03:13:29,920 --> 03:13:30,399
>> Yeah,

4725
03:13:30,399 --> 03:13:33,359
>> it's not half your driveway. It's

4726
03:13:33,359 --> 03:13:36,479
>> 10 feet or whatever.

4727
03:13:36,479 --> 03:13:38,479
Tell me

4728
03:13:38,479 --> 03:13:42,560
18 in high. Red's got the big jump. So,

4729
03:13:42,560 --> 03:13:46,160
>> he's going to have to be cut way back.

4730
03:13:46,160 --> 03:13:49,359
>> But my driveway is up way higher.

4731
03:13:49,359 --> 03:13:52,800
>> So, this is Rhett's His

4732
03:13:52,800 --> 03:13:53,200
feet.

4733
03:13:53,200 --> 03:13:55,760
>> Grass is going to be dramatic. Beacons

4734
03:13:55,760 --> 03:13:58,160
was the a pretty good one.

4735
03:13:58,160 --> 03:13:59,920
>> Yeah, this is the biggest one.

4736
03:13:59,920 --> 03:14:02,640
>> Right.

4737
03:14:02,640 --> 03:14:04,640
>> Yeah, that one's probably the biggest

4738
03:14:04,640 --> 03:14:07,279
one. Where's the scale on this thing?

4739
03:14:07,279 --> 03:14:09,279
>> And they're they're in their mind. Well,

4740
03:14:09,279 --> 03:14:10,800
they kind of knew they were past, but I

4741
03:14:10,800 --> 03:14:13,439
think they're four, six feet, four seat.

4742
03:14:13,439 --> 03:14:16,000
How far past the line were their yard

4743
03:14:16,000 --> 03:14:17,680
goes way out there. Maybe four plus

4744
03:14:17,680 --> 03:14:18,960
feet.

4745
03:14:18,960 --> 03:14:21,600
>> And they knew that.

4746
03:14:21,600 --> 03:14:24,800
>> So that was like almost 17 feet. So Sean

4747
03:14:24,800 --> 03:14:27,760
in your mind so I understand the all the

4748
03:14:27,760 --> 03:14:30,960
issues and I think visually you can look

4749
03:14:30,960 --> 03:14:33,840
across the street but

4750
03:14:33,840 --> 03:14:36,880
like it just never thought that sidewalk

4751
03:14:36,880 --> 03:14:40,080
was common sense but what's the

4752
03:14:40,080 --> 03:14:43,520
solution? What's in your in my mind the

4753
03:14:43,520 --> 03:14:45,359
right thing to do is narrow that. It's

4754
03:14:45,359 --> 03:14:47,680
it it's not a collector. I understand

4755
03:14:47,680 --> 03:14:48,960
that's probably what they think. It's

4756
03:14:48,960 --> 03:14:50,560
not it's Willis Street. It's been Willis

4757
03:14:50,560 --> 03:14:53,040
Street for how many years? It's narrow.

4758
03:14:53,040 --> 03:14:55,200
The wider you go, the faster people go.

4759
03:14:55,200 --> 03:14:57,120
We're trying to slow people down. Let's

4760
03:14:57,120 --> 03:14:59,760
narrow it down. So what if you have to

4761
03:14:59,760 --> 03:15:02,479
pause when two cars go past and a car's

4762
03:15:02,479 --> 03:15:04,479
parked? It slows down. It's 25 miles an

4763
03:15:04,479 --> 03:15:08,160
hour. But but that's my opinion. Narrow

4764
03:15:08,160 --> 03:15:10,560
it. Give the right proper curbing

4765
03:15:10,560 --> 03:15:12,960
gutter. Give them strip. Put the

4766
03:15:12,960 --> 03:15:14,640
sidewalk. But that gets the sidewalk

4767
03:15:14,640 --> 03:15:17,920
clear out of them. It affects them the

4768
03:15:17,920 --> 03:15:20,399
impact is less on both sides of the

4769
03:15:20,399 --> 03:15:22,000
road. So, one of the things I thought of

4770
03:15:22,000 --> 03:15:24,000
is I do feel with the school up the

4771
03:15:24,000 --> 03:15:27,439
road, the kids, it'd be nice for them to

4772
03:15:27,439 --> 03:15:30,000
walk up a sidewalk to the school.

4773
03:15:30,000 --> 03:15:32,239
>> So, across the road and use the one

4774
03:15:32,239 --> 03:15:32,640
there.

4775
03:15:32,640 --> 03:15:38,479
>> So, I ask [snorts] staff if inside the town homes I could do that modified

4776
03:15:38,479 --> 03:15:40,880
curb so that I could put the sidewalk

4777
03:15:40,880 --> 03:15:42,560
next to it so when they park on those

4778
03:15:42,560 --> 03:15:44,399
driveways that are smaller, there was

4779
03:15:44,399 --> 03:15:47,200
more room and they said no because of

4780
03:15:47,200 --> 03:15:48,880
safety and and I agreed with them. We

4781
03:15:48,880 --> 03:15:51,279
left it with that. So I think what's

4782
03:15:51,279 --> 03:15:54,000
Barry's saying to have that section of

4783
03:15:54,000 --> 03:15:56,640
curb the right curve with the right mo

4784
03:15:56,640 --> 03:15:58,239
strip with the right sidewalk is

4785
03:15:58,239 --> 03:16:00,319
important. So how do we meet the middle

4786
03:16:00,319 --> 03:16:04,720
on all this right? We go down n willow

4787
03:16:04,720 --> 03:16:07,040
straighten that thing out narrow it and

4788
03:16:07,040 --> 03:16:08,880
call it for what it is. It's not a

4789
03:16:08,880 --> 03:16:10,880
collector. You're going to be frustrated

4790
03:16:10,880 --> 03:16:13,600
when it's a 66 foot right away and you

4791
03:16:13,600 --> 03:16:15,040
got more cars on there trying to

4792
03:16:15,040 --> 03:16:16,800
jam-pack. It's going to be as busy as

4793
03:16:16,800 --> 03:16:18,960
you build it. Okay? So you're never

4794
03:16:18,960 --> 03:16:21,040
going to satisfy it.

4795
03:16:21,040 --> 03:16:23,359
>> Visually, it's impossible to imagine a

4796
03:16:23,359 --> 03:16:25,359
turn lane there. Even

4797
03:16:25,359 --> 03:16:27,040
>> you just visually [clears throat] and

4798
03:16:27,040 --> 03:16:28,800
even if we do it now, even if we stick

4799
03:16:28,800 --> 03:16:31,040
with this, that end of the road is going

4800
03:16:31,040 --> 03:16:34,319
to stay that wide for the next 20 years

4801
03:16:34,319 --> 03:16:35,840
in you guys' budget tonight and the

4802
03:16:35,840 --> 03:16:36,960
money you're spending on different

4803
03:16:36,960 --> 03:16:38,560
things. Where are you going to come up

4804
03:16:38,560 --> 03:16:40,239
with money and priorities that widen

4805
03:16:40,239 --> 03:16:42,640
Willow Street? Without a developer

4806
03:16:42,640 --> 03:16:47,990
paying for it, you'll never do it.

4807
03:16:48,000 --> 03:16:49,600
would look like Cork with that turn

4808
03:16:49,600 --> 03:16:51,200
lane and that's dangerous right there.

4809
03:16:51,200 --> 03:16:52,720
So you just have another cork street

4810
03:16:52,720 --> 03:16:54,000
because there's not a through street.

4811
03:16:54,000 --> 03:16:56,000
You'd have three-way and you'd have

4812
03:16:56,000 --> 03:16:57,359
every car in the world trying to go off

4813
03:16:57,359 --> 03:16:59,200
boiler like they are quirk and it would

4814
03:16:59,200 --> 03:17:01,920
just be another danger. Those hot spots

4815
03:17:01,920 --> 03:17:05,040
again like we saw yesterday of the roads

4816
03:17:05,040 --> 03:17:08,160
that would turn into just a nightmare.

4817
03:17:08,160 --> 03:17:09,279
People are going to use the roads that

4818
03:17:09,279 --> 03:17:10,800
you build. So that won't be a collector.

4819
03:17:10,800 --> 03:17:13,680
They'll go another route. Just so I

4820
03:17:13,680 --> 03:17:15,200
understand though, you're saying now the

4821
03:17:15,200 --> 03:17:17,120
rope and but you are saying keep the

4822
03:17:17,120 --> 03:17:19,359
sidewalk there.

4823
03:17:19,359 --> 03:17:21,120
>> I personally think the right thing to do

4824
03:17:21,120 --> 03:17:23,359
is keep the sidewalk even though we have

4825
03:17:23,359 --> 03:17:25,359
one on the other side. It's just you're

4826
03:17:25,359 --> 03:17:26,560
talking about trails in other

4827
03:17:26,560 --> 03:17:28,399
subdivisions. The sidewalk's a natural

4828
03:17:28,399 --> 03:17:31,439
trail. It's a na natural connects

4829
03:17:31,439 --> 03:17:33,680
everything connectivity. So having the

4830
03:17:33,680 --> 03:17:36,160
sidewalk on both sides with the proper

4831
03:17:36,160 --> 03:17:38,000
mo strip

4832
03:17:38,000 --> 03:17:40,479
for putting snow and safety and all

4833
03:17:40,479 --> 03:17:42,080
those things, that's the right way to do

4834
03:17:42,080 --> 03:17:44,080
it. So the only solution that gives us

4835
03:17:44,080 --> 03:17:47,840
is cut the asphalt down, right? And

4836
03:17:47,840 --> 03:17:49,439
don't make it as wide as the rest of the

4837
03:17:49,439 --> 03:17:51,439
roads. Make it as wide as the previous

4838
03:17:51,439 --> 03:17:53,600
roads we put in Grantsville before we

4839
03:17:53,600 --> 03:17:56,800
decided we had to have 66 foot rideways.

4840
03:17:56,800 --> 03:17:58,720
Remember, we've gone through all phases.

4841
03:17:58,720 --> 03:18:01,040
And that's my frustration.

4842
03:18:01,040 --> 03:18:03,600
I've been through every phase, every

4843
03:18:03,600 --> 03:18:05,439
council change, every different one

4844
03:18:05,439 --> 03:18:07,439
ever. And it's like time that we can

4845
03:18:07,439 --> 03:18:19,110
pick something and stay with it.

4846
03:18:19,120 --> 03:18:20,720
So,

4847
03:18:20,720 --> 03:18:22,560
>> where are we here then? [laughter]

4848
03:18:22,560 --> 03:18:25,680
>> I would just just throw out another

4849
03:18:25,680 --> 03:18:26,720
consideration.

4850
03:18:26,720 --> 03:18:27,040
>> Okay,

4851
03:18:27,040 --> 03:18:29,279
>> we already all know that Willow Street's

4852
03:18:29,279 --> 03:18:31,680
pavement is not wide, but does that

4853
03:18:31,680 --> 03:18:36,239
deter travelers from using it?

4854
03:18:36,239 --> 03:18:40,319
Unless it's backed up and congested,

4855
03:18:40,319 --> 03:18:41,760
That's kind of their path of least

4856
03:18:41,760 --> 03:18:43,680
resistance. People that live on the

4857
03:18:43,680 --> 03:18:46,160
road, they know my used to live on the

4858
03:18:46,160 --> 03:18:47,439
road. My parents still live on that

4859
03:18:47,439 --> 03:18:50,319
road. And people are using it to connect

4860
03:18:50,319 --> 03:18:51,920
to other streets, right? It's it's

4861
03:18:51,920 --> 03:18:53,439
that's what the definition of a

4862
03:18:53,439 --> 03:18:56,640
collector is. So, if we're going to

4863
03:18:56,640 --> 03:18:58,160
narrow it,

4864
03:18:58,160 --> 03:19:00,000
>> and you're about to put town homes there

4865
03:19:00,000 --> 03:19:01,600
that people will be wanting to turn

4866
03:19:01,600 --> 03:19:03,359
into. And if there's no turn

4867
03:19:03,359 --> 03:19:07,520
>> 96 97 town homes times 10 trips per day

4868
03:19:07,520 --> 03:19:09,200
or eight or whatever for a town home

4869
03:19:09,200 --> 03:19:11,200
that's a lot of cars every day

4870
03:19:11,200 --> 03:19:13,760
>> coming in on the street on Cherry Street

4871
03:19:13,760 --> 03:19:15,439
that connected to Cherry and the other

4872
03:19:15,439 --> 03:19:18,399
one and so you know eventually you're

4873
03:19:18,399 --> 03:19:20,560
going to have that connected

4874
03:19:20,560 --> 03:19:23,920
>> do wide and cherry street on that end

4875
03:19:23,920 --> 03:19:25,760
>> if it's got 60 feet then we can fit

4876
03:19:25,760 --> 03:19:27,643
three lanes.

4877
03:19:27,643 --> 03:19:28,880
[clears throat]

4878
03:19:28,880 --> 03:19:30,399
>> They'll go through Cherry and use cork

4879
03:19:30,399 --> 03:19:32,000
like they should. So,

4880
03:19:32,000 --> 03:19:34,880
>> well, cherry's a mess, too.

4881
03:19:34,880 --> 03:19:36,960
>> It is.

4882
03:19:36,960 --> 03:19:39,359
>> So, I guess my thought is unless you put

4883
03:19:39,359 --> 03:19:42,399
some sort of physical barrier that keep

4884
03:19:42,399 --> 03:19:44,640
from South Willow continuing on down

4885
03:19:44,640 --> 03:19:46,640
Willow Street, it's going to be a

4886
03:19:46,640 --> 03:19:48,960
collector whether you put it 32 feet of

4887
03:19:48,960 --> 03:19:51,920
asphalt or 38, it's going to be used the

4888
03:19:51,920 --> 03:19:54,160
same unless there's a physical barrier

4889
03:19:54,160 --> 03:19:55,920
that makes people turn and go a

4890
03:19:55,920 --> 03:19:57,520
different route. I think people are

4891
03:19:57,520 --> 03:19:59,200
already turning now because I mean I

4892
03:19:59,200 --> 03:20:01,279
live there and I know because it's a

4893
03:20:01,279 --> 03:20:02,800
nightmare to get to make a left-hand

4894
03:20:02,800 --> 03:20:04,160
turn at the end of Will Street on the

4895
03:20:04,160 --> 03:20:05,279
main street. So I think people from

4896
03:20:05,279 --> 03:20:06,960
South Will are going down Derpy Street

4897
03:20:06,960 --> 03:20:08,640
going around to get onto the light or

4898
03:20:08,640 --> 03:20:10,960
whatever they need to do to get not

4899
03:20:10,960 --> 03:20:12,000
having to come down will street because

4900
03:20:12,000 --> 03:20:13,920
I mean there's traffic but not everybody

4901
03:20:13,920 --> 03:20:15,200
coming from South Will is going all the

4902
03:20:15,200 --> 03:20:17,359
way down Will Street.

4903
03:20:17,359 --> 03:20:18,880
>> Oh that's true.

4904
03:20:18,880 --> 03:20:20,560
>> Wider roads aren't always answer. That's

4905
03:20:20,560 --> 03:20:23,120
why you don't see seven 10 lane free

4906
03:20:23,120 --> 03:20:24,800
highways.

4907
03:20:24,800 --> 03:20:25,359
doesn't help with [clears throat]

4908
03:20:25,359 --> 03:20:28,160
traffic jams or anything. So, just

4909
03:20:28,160 --> 03:20:29,439
because it's wider doesn't mean it's

4910
03:20:29,439 --> 03:20:31,760
going to be any less congested than what

4911
03:20:31,760 --> 03:20:33,040
it's already at.

4912
03:20:33,040 --> 03:20:39,200
>> Yeah. But narrowing it doesn't make any safer in my opinion. Like I it

4913
03:20:39,200 --> 03:20:42,000
actually compounds the safety issue in

4914
03:20:42,000 --> 03:20:44,560
my opinion. So,

4915
03:20:44,560 --> 03:20:46,560
>> I don't know. I've been on that road a

4916
03:20:46,560 --> 03:20:48,160
lot the last little bit looking at it

4917
03:20:48,160 --> 03:20:50,319
and meeting with with these guys and

4918
03:20:50,319 --> 03:20:53,760
Sean and uh traffic it's a lot slower on

4919
03:20:53,760 --> 03:20:55,200
that street than it is Cork Street where

4920
03:20:55,200 --> 03:21:03,510
I live.

4921
03:21:03,520 --> 03:21:05,600
Um, would

4922
03:21:05,600 --> 03:21:07,680
somebody offered I don't know if it was

4923
03:21:07,680 --> 03:21:10,479
Sean or Barry to go stake it out so that

4924
03:21:10,479 --> 03:21:12,960
if you haven't seen it, you could. Is

4925
03:21:12,960 --> 03:21:14,479
that something we would still like to

4926
03:21:14,479 --> 03:21:16,960
have done?

4927
03:21:16,960 --> 03:21:20,560
>> And which areas would you like that

4928
03:21:20,560 --> 03:21:23,760
>> just all the way along every 500t or 300

4929
03:21:23,760 --> 03:21:26,560
feet or what? Tell me. Yeah, I think I

4930
03:21:26,560 --> 03:21:28,319
think if we were to get some points on

4931
03:21:28,319 --> 03:21:30,720
the north side, both on the north side

4932
03:21:30,720 --> 03:21:32,720
and then against the three residents on

4933
03:21:32,720 --> 03:21:34,560
the south side, we can visually see the

4934
03:21:34,560 --> 03:21:36,640
rest of it probably. I mean, we could do

4935
03:21:36,640 --> 03:21:38,960
every 500 if you wanted to or

4936
03:21:38,960 --> 03:21:39,840
everywhere.

4937
03:21:39,840 --> 03:21:42,880
>> I'll just kind of do it something that

4938
03:21:42,880 --> 03:21:44,640
it looks like it's

4939
03:21:44,640 --> 03:21:46,560
>> further out than it should be, then that

4940
03:21:46,560 --> 03:21:48,880
would that would help visualize it.

4941
03:21:48,880 --> 03:21:50,880
>> And I can gladly help Barry. I think

4942
03:21:50,880 --> 03:21:52,800
Barry needs to do it. But I can carry

4943
03:21:52,800 --> 03:21:54,880
the stakes and the paint and whatnot to

4944
03:21:54,880 --> 03:21:56,560
help you do it because the more marks we

4945
03:21:56,560 --> 03:21:58,319
have, the better off we are. But it

4946
03:21:58,319 --> 03:22:00,080
needs to come from Barry.

4947
03:22:00,080 --> 03:22:01,520
>> Yeah.

4948
03:22:01,520 --> 03:22:04,560
>> And as long as you all are happy that I

4949
03:22:04,560 --> 03:22:06,239
spend time doing that, that's great. I

4950
03:22:06,239 --> 03:22:08,239
can [laughter]

4951
03:22:08,239 --> 03:22:09,760
>> I'm sure you have plenty of free time.

4952
03:22:09,760 --> 03:22:12,319
Barry,

4953
03:22:12,319 --> 03:22:14,015
that was pretty sarcastic comment.

4954
03:22:14,015 --> 03:22:16,319
[laughter] So,

4955
03:22:16,319 --> 03:22:19,120
um I visually yeah I I think I think

4956
03:22:19,120 --> 03:22:20,319
it's important we make the right

4957
03:22:20,319 --> 03:22:22,160
decision there and I do think there's

4958
03:22:22,160 --> 03:22:26,640
probably a balance between them. Um

4959
03:22:26,640 --> 03:22:28,640
>> so so having all the information is

4960
03:22:28,640 --> 03:22:31,520
going to help. So may I ask so I can

4961
03:22:31,520 --> 03:22:35,040
stake where our existing rideaway is the

4962
03:22:35,040 --> 03:22:37,520
boundary of what we own

4963
03:22:37,520 --> 03:22:41,040
and we could pull tapes over or I can do

4964
03:22:41,040 --> 03:22:43,520
that plus maybe paint some stuff on the

4965
03:22:43,520 --> 03:22:46,319
ground that says this is the anticipated

4966
03:22:46,319 --> 03:22:51,439
future curb and gutter location. What information beyond staking the

4967
03:22:51,439 --> 03:22:55,439
boundary of the rideway is useful?

4968
03:22:55,439 --> 03:22:57,680
>> What what would you guys like to see?

4969
03:22:57,680 --> 03:23:00,000
Let's just paint the same colors. I've

4970
03:23:00,000 --> 03:23:03,600
got all those colors. Seriously,

4971
03:23:03,600 --> 03:23:06,319
put the 25 foot set back out there in

4972
03:23:06,319 --> 03:23:08,880
purple and put a blue line. What you got

4973
03:23:08,880 --> 03:23:09,520
there?

4974
03:23:09,520 --> 03:23:12,960
>> Well, it gets like that's that's fine,

4975
03:23:12,960 --> 03:23:15,279
but colors mean things in blue staking.

4976
03:23:15,279 --> 03:23:17,279
And I don't I don't want somebody

4977
03:23:17,279 --> 03:23:19,359
>> about that. I I wanted to say that uh I

4978
03:23:19,359 --> 03:23:21,040
think Derek was right on in his comment

4979
03:23:21,040 --> 03:23:24,880
about wide streets and narrow streets

4980
03:23:24,880 --> 03:23:28,239
and how traffic patterns work. Um, one

4981
03:23:28,239 --> 03:23:31,279
of the things that's kind of of a best

4982
03:23:31,279 --> 03:23:33,040
practice thing that's coming up lately

4983
03:23:33,040 --> 03:23:35,760
is rather than put a yellow stripe or a

4984
03:23:35,760 --> 03:23:36,960
center turn lane down the middle of the

4985
03:23:36,960 --> 03:23:39,279
road, you bring in the white lines and

4986
03:23:39,279 --> 03:23:40,800
remove the yellow stripe down the middle

4987
03:23:40,800 --> 03:23:43,200
and that has a a natural traffic calming

4988
03:23:43,200 --> 03:23:44,720
effect because everyone thinks, "Oh,

4989
03:23:44,720 --> 03:23:47,040
this road's a little more skinny, so I

4990
03:23:47,040 --> 03:23:48,720
have to slow down a little bit." The

4991
03:23:48,720 --> 03:23:52,800
pavement width is the same. It's just a mind trick that makes you think, "Oh,

4992
03:23:52,800 --> 03:23:54,399
this road is narrow." This road is

4993
03:23:54,399 --> 03:23:55,840
already narrow. The pavement width is

4994
03:23:55,840 --> 03:23:58,880
narrow and you have to kind of you you

4995
03:23:58,880 --> 03:24:00,479
your brain thinks I got to slow down

4996
03:24:00,479 --> 03:24:02,479
because this road is a little bit

4997
03:24:02,479 --> 03:24:04,479
dangerous or scary. You don't want to

4998
03:24:04,479 --> 03:24:06,880
say that it's dangerous, right, Tyson?

4999
03:24:06,880 --> 03:24:09,040
It's it's not dangerous. It's totally

5000
03:24:09,040 --> 03:24:11,520
safe. It's perfectly safe in every way,

5001
03:24:11,520 --> 03:24:15,600
but um no, we all know that it feels

5002
03:24:15,600 --> 03:24:17,840
different to drive down a skinny little

5003
03:24:17,840 --> 03:24:20,960
road as opposed to a sevenlane freeway.

5004
03:24:20,960 --> 03:24:23,680
Um, and and I think that's what could be

5005
03:24:23,680 --> 03:24:25,920
instructive is if you went out and did

5006
03:24:25,920 --> 03:24:29,920
some dots at at lane widths and then you

5007
03:24:29,920 --> 03:24:33,120
can get an idea, not not big long

5008
03:24:33,120 --> 03:24:35,680
stretches, but just

5009
03:24:35,680 --> 03:24:37,920
yeah, something that would that would

5010
03:24:37,920 --> 03:24:39,920
kind of give you an idea what the width

5011
03:24:39,920 --> 03:24:41,200
would be like

5012
03:24:41,200 --> 03:24:42,880
>> on the on the ground and then you could

5013
03:24:42,880 --> 03:24:44,720
look at it and go, "Oh, this is way

5014
03:24:44,720 --> 03:24:46,800
different than I expected." Because I

5015
03:24:46,800 --> 03:24:48,080
think that's what we're locked into is

5016
03:24:48,080 --> 03:24:50,479
how it feels on the road right now. It

5017
03:24:50,479 --> 03:24:54,479
feels like a a a skinny country road.

5018
03:24:54,479 --> 03:24:56,399
What Barry's trying to say is it's not.

5019
03:24:56,399 --> 03:24:58,960
It's actually a 60 foot rideway, which

5020
03:24:58,960 --> 03:25:01,840
is as big as we we require

5021
03:25:01,840 --> 03:25:05,200
most places in town. Um

5022
03:25:05,200 --> 03:25:06,640
>> the pavement is the same.

5023
03:25:06,640 --> 03:25:08,319
>> The pavement is going to be the same

5024
03:25:08,319 --> 03:25:09,040
local road.

5025
03:25:09,040 --> 03:25:12,160
>> Well, we all we do is is make the um

5026
03:25:12,160 --> 03:25:13,760
park strips just a little bit more

5027
03:25:13,760 --> 03:25:16,239
skinny on this kind of cross-section.

5028
03:25:16,239 --> 03:25:17,840
It's it's the same road that you're

5029
03:25:17,840 --> 03:25:19,840
getting anywhere in town. it it feels

5030
03:25:19,840 --> 03:25:21,200
different. The trees are different. The

5031
03:25:21,200 --> 03:25:23,359
fences are are in weird places. And

5032
03:25:23,359 --> 03:25:24,399
that's why I think it would be

5033
03:25:24,399 --> 03:25:26,800
instructive to go out and stake it out

5034
03:25:26,800 --> 03:25:29,040
and then maybe indicate where those

5035
03:25:29,040 --> 03:25:32,000
travel lanes might be. That would be my

5036
03:25:32,000 --> 03:25:38,309
suggestion.

5037
03:25:38,319 --> 03:25:40,319
» Any other feedback we want to give Barry

5038
03:25:40,319 --> 03:25:48,070
or Sean?

5039
03:25:48,080 --> 03:25:49,760
Isn't the curb already poured in front?

5040
03:25:49,760 --> 03:25:52,080
No, it's not. [gasps]

5041
03:25:52,080 --> 03:25:52,239
Not

5042
03:25:52,239 --> 03:25:53,600
>> yet.

5043
03:25:53,600 --> 03:25:54,880
>> It's I'm winging out.

5044
03:25:54,880 --> 03:25:55,760
>> It's winged.

5045
03:25:55,760 --> 03:25:56,720
>> Yeah, but nothing out

5046
03:25:56,720 --> 03:25:58,720
>> in there in the road. Nothing north to

5047
03:25:58,720 --> 03:26:03,750
south.

5048
03:26:03,760 --> 03:26:05,439
» Obviously, we don't want to waste a ton

5049
03:26:05,439 --> 03:26:07,520
of Barry's time and we don't want to

5050
03:26:07,520 --> 03:26:09,840
waste a lot of Sean's time and this has

5051
03:26:09,840 --> 03:26:12,640
been going on for several months.

5052
03:26:12,640 --> 03:26:16,479
How could we make this less

5053
03:26:16,479 --> 03:26:19,920
>> time consuming for you to mark this out?

5054
03:26:19,920 --> 03:26:22,000
Is it easier if the council is just

5055
03:26:22,000 --> 03:26:24,239
there? Obviously, we can all be there at

5056
03:26:24,239 --> 03:26:27,279
the same time, but couple at a time as

5057
03:26:27,279 --> 03:26:29,920
and just demonstrate this so that it can

5058
03:26:29,920 --> 03:26:33,279
be seen or what is easiest for you,

5059
03:26:33,279 --> 03:26:34,960
Barry? I think I [clears throat] could

5060
03:26:34,960 --> 03:26:38,000
go out and and say I mark the boundaries

5061
03:26:38,000 --> 03:26:40,479
of the rideway at intervals so you can

5062
03:26:40,479 --> 03:26:43,040
kind of still see from one to the other

5063
03:26:43,040 --> 03:26:45,200
and then maybe mark a center line,

5064
03:26:45,200 --> 03:26:46,560
center of the road, center of the

5065
03:26:46,560 --> 03:26:48,479
rideway because sometimes the pavement

5066
03:26:48,479 --> 03:26:50,000
is not in the center

5067
03:26:50,000 --> 03:26:51,279
>> at the center

5068
03:26:51,279 --> 03:26:54,399
>> and then and then people can go and see

5069
03:26:54,399 --> 03:26:56,640
that and then if there's questions or

5070
03:26:56,640 --> 03:26:58,479
you want to discuss it more then I can

5071
03:26:58,479 --> 03:27:00,560
meet you out there bring the instrument

5072
03:27:00,560 --> 03:27:02,479
and we can say well here's the this

5073
03:27:02,479 --> 03:27:03,760
here's where this will be and we can

5074
03:27:03,760 --> 03:27:05,439
find it on the ground as we go. Well,

5075
03:27:05,439 --> 03:27:06,880
what about over here? We can find it on

5076
03:27:06,880 --> 03:27:11,200
the ground with the instrument. Um if if

5077
03:27:11,200 --> 03:27:13,680
that

5078
03:27:13,680 --> 03:27:15,439
I don't that's a recommendation.

5079
03:27:15,439 --> 03:27:16,560
>> Okay.

5080
03:27:16,560 --> 03:27:18,000
>> Everyone okay with that?

5081
03:27:18,000 --> 03:27:19,840
>> Yes.

5082
03:27:19,840 --> 03:27:23,920
>> Okay. But I I think in the end, you

5083
03:27:23,920 --> 03:27:26,239
know, we just because it's a planned

5084
03:27:26,239 --> 03:27:28,960
unit development,

5085
03:27:28,960 --> 03:27:31,920
we need your guys' decisions to to move

5086
03:27:31,920 --> 03:27:37,349
forward with something, right? So,

5087
03:27:37,359 --> 03:27:39,200
» okay, thank you everybody for your

5088
03:27:39,200 --> 03:27:40,800
patience. Hopefully, we're going to get

5089
03:27:40,800 --> 03:27:44,080
to the best solution.

5090
03:27:44,080 --> 03:27:46,000
Um,

5091
03:27:46,000 --> 03:27:48,399
our next item, uh, item number 12 is a

5092
03:27:48,399 --> 03:27:50,080
discussion of a utility assistance

5093
03:27:50,080 --> 03:27:53,439
program and council member Dalton has

5094
03:27:53,439 --> 03:27:56,000
recommended that we perhaps move this to

5095
03:27:56,000 --> 03:27:57,920
the next council meeting based on the

5096
03:27:57,920 --> 03:27:59,920
times. Does anyone have an issue with

5097
03:27:59,920 --> 03:28:01,760
that?

5098
03:28:01,760 --> 03:28:03,840
Is anyone's brain still even functioning

5099
03:28:03,840 --> 03:28:05,754
at this point?

5100
03:28:05,754 --> 03:28:06,560
[laughter]

5101
03:28:06,560 --> 03:28:07,680
>> I think we're going to be a little more

5102
03:28:07,680 --> 03:28:09,359
attentive next time. So, we're going to

5103
03:28:09,359 --> 03:28:10,080
do that if that's

5104
03:28:10,080 --> 03:28:11,600
>> I'm just worried about your taxes only.

5105
03:28:11,600 --> 03:28:14,000
>> Yeah. [laughter]

5106
03:28:14,000 --> 03:28:14,800
We're not getting

5107
03:28:14,800 --> 03:28:17,040
>> no Troy's back and we're on it. It's all

5108
03:28:17,040 --> 03:28:19,680
done. [laughter]

5109
03:28:19,680 --> 03:28:22,560
>> Um, what do I need to do to move this to

5110
03:28:22,560 --> 03:28:25,359
the next

5111
03:28:25,359 --> 03:28:26,239
>> for a motion to

5112
03:28:26,239 --> 03:28:28,479
>> Okay. Can I ask for a motion to move

5113
03:28:28,479 --> 03:28:31,359
this to our next meeting agenda?

5114
03:28:31,359 --> 03:28:33,439
>> I'll make a motion that we move our

5115
03:28:33,439 --> 03:28:35,600
agenda item number 12 to our next city

5116
03:28:35,600 --> 03:28:36,560
council meeting.

5117
03:28:36,560 --> 03:28:37,279
>> Second.

5118
03:28:37,279 --> 03:28:39,200
>> All right. We have a motion and a second

5119
03:28:39,200 --> 03:28:42,720
and we will move that. All in favor?

5120
03:28:42,720 --> 03:28:43,680
>> I.

5121
03:28:43,680 --> 03:28:45,279
>> And we will move that to our next

5122
03:28:45,279 --> 03:28:47,439
meeting. So I just need a motion to

5123
03:28:47,439 --> 03:28:49,520
adjurnn.

5124
03:28:49,520 --> 03:28:52,080
>> Moved.

5125
03:28:52,080 --> 03:28:55,040
>> Okay. All in favor. All right.

5126
03:28:55,040 --> 03:28:58,200
>> Thank you.