1 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:20,230 make sure the audio is on. 2 00:00:20,240 --> 00:00:23,119 My mouse is going crazy because I'm in 3 00:00:23,119 --> 00:00:24,880 that presenter mode, so I can't get it 4 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,160 back to my jump all over. 5 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:43,430 They're 6 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:48,549 all 7 00:00:48,559 --> 00:00:50,559 You guys want this over there? Oh, I got 8 00:00:50,559 --> 00:01:01,670 one. All right. 9 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:06,550 Okay. Okay. 10 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,400 Uh this is a special meeting of the 11 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,960 Grantsville City Council. Um it's a 12 00:01:10,960 --> 00:01:12,560 special work session being held on 13 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,159 Friday, May 1st, 2026 in person at 429 14 00:01:16,159 --> 00:01:18,080 East Main Street in Grantsville, Utah, 15 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,640 and electronically by Zoom. and it is 16 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,960 beginning at 3:25 17 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:26,000 p.m. Uh because this is a special uh 18 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,000 training meeting, there will not be any 19 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,000 public comments or actions taken during 20 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,400 this um council meeting. We will start 21 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,079 today with the pledge of allegiance. If 22 00:01:34,079 --> 00:01:41,910 you will please rise. 23 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,600 I aliance to the flag of the United 24 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,560 States of America and to the republic 25 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,600 for which it stands, one nation under 26 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,720 God, indivisible, with liberty and 27 00:01:54,720 --> 00:02:03,109 justice for all. 28 00:02:03,119 --> 00:02:05,520 right, our first agenda item tonight 29 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,759 um number one is a training of roles and 30 00:02:07,759 --> 00:02:09,679 responsibilities by the legal 31 00:02:09,679 --> 00:02:12,319 department. So we will have our city 32 00:02:12,319 --> 00:02:14,400 attorney present that for us. Thank you, 33 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,630 Tyson. 34 00:02:18,640 --> 00:02:21,680 » Right. Good afternoon. Um Tyson Berger, 35 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,440 city attorney. Um, I'm 36 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,840 excited to be here to to talk to you 37 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,160 about um some of the roles and 38 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:36,640 responsibilities of leadership in in the city and in municipal governance 39 00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:39,440 as a whole. Now, the the title of my 40 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,200 slideshow here is the the effective 41 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,120 municipal leadership um a guide to 42 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,760 leadership in Grantsville. When we think 43 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,720 about effective leadership in the 44 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,599 business world, you know, we all many of 45 00:02:51,599 --> 00:02:53,760 you may maybe just came from work. We're 46 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,840 trying to uh inspire employees to to 47 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,000 work better, provide better work 48 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,720 product. Effective municipal leadership 49 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,680 in this context is going to be how do we 50 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,680 manage risks and how do we 51 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,560 show leadership in a city by staying 52 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,920 within the the guard rails of the law. 53 00:03:15,920 --> 00:03:18,959 Um and that will ultimately circle back 54 00:03:18,959 --> 00:03:22,879 to are we are we staying within our 55 00:03:22,879 --> 00:03:27,040 statutoily prescribed roles and are we doing things that are that were 56 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,599 authorized to do by law? And if we're 57 00:03:29,599 --> 00:03:31,120 authorized to do it by law, that's 58 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,040 great. If we're not, then we're starting 59 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,000 to step out onto some whims and need to 60 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,599 proceed cautiously in those in those 61 00:03:37,599 --> 00:03:40,799 avenues. Um, and so my my hope today is 62 00:03:40,799 --> 00:03:42,640 that we'll have some good discussion. 63 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,640 Feel free to stop me at any time if you 64 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,519 have questions. Um, and then we'll we'll 65 00:03:47,519 --> 00:03:50,799 go over some things. Um hopefully we can 66 00:03:50,799 --> 00:03:54,080 uh uh be be of some value today to to to 67 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,959 get give you some uh good information 68 00:03:56,959 --> 00:04:00,879 and um maybe have some fun and some some 69 00:04:00,879 --> 00:04:05,360 good conversation while we're at it. Um 70 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:18,310 go to the next slide. 71 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:22,320 So there's really kind of three forms of government under the Utah code. We've 72 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,880 got um there's the five member council. 73 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:26,560 That's the traditional council. So 74 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,320 anytime there's a new city that's formed 75 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,440 in in Utah, it's the that's the default 76 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:38,080 is the five member council. Um that's uh um what what every city starts 77 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:44,000 out as and it takes an act of council to change that. Um, here in Grantsville, 78 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,919 we we are the that middle category 79 00:04:45,919 --> 00:04:48,479 there. We have the six member council. 80 00:04:48,479 --> 00:04:51,600 Um, with with the six member being being 81 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,639 the mayor. Um, 82 00:04:54,639 --> 00:04:59,280 under Utah code 10 3D 103 up there off 83 00:04:59,280 --> 00:05:02,400 to the left. Um, th that's a section of 84 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,720 code that that you can go under and and 85 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,800 find all of the all the different rules 86 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,400 that relate to the different forms of 87 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:09,680 government. there are different rules 88 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,039 that apply uh for the different forms. 89 00:05:13,039 --> 00:05:15,759 Um 90 00:05:15,759 --> 00:05:33,830 so let's see 91 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:38,550 yeah let's go to the next slide. 92 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,280 So, we've we've done some evolution here 93 00:05:41,280 --> 00:05:44,560 as as a city. Um back in 2021, November 94 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,400 2021, 95 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:51,360 um the city council passed an ordinance 96 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,639 um creating the city manager position um 97 00:05:54,639 --> 00:06:04,319 which is a uh statutory um position and that is um sort of a a and really I 98 00:06:04,319 --> 00:06:06,160 went back and reviewed the minutes of of 99 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:07,680 those meetings and those discussions and 100 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,199 those those work sessions that were 101 00:06:09,199 --> 00:06:11,440 going on at the time. Most of what was 102 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,280 discussed was look, we've got Mayor 103 00:06:13,280 --> 00:06:18,319 Marshall who's about to leave. Um and he he's been here for I believe 104 00:06:18,319 --> 00:06:22,400 three terms at that point. So 12 years of continuity of government 105 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,000 that's been going on strong for a long 106 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,880 time. Um lots of knowledge was was 107 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,240 housed in in in in his mind and it was 108 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,880 about to be in in some ways lost. You 109 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:34,479 know, you can write down as much as you 110 00:06:34,479 --> 00:06:35,759 can, but there there's a lot that's 111 00:06:35,759 --> 00:06:37,919 going to be lost when you move on. And 112 00:06:37,919 --> 00:06:39,600 part of what council's concern at that 113 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,039 time was was that we want to have 114 00:06:41,039 --> 00:06:43,919 continu continuity of government and 115 00:06:43,919 --> 00:06:45,520 that was kind of their primary focus 116 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:46,960 there. There was also a lot of 117 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:48,400 discussion about professional 118 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:53,199 management. Um those two things were sort of the the thrust of what what 119 00:06:53,199 --> 00:07:01,120 brought that forth. Um so in November of 2021 we passed ordinance 2021-32A 120 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:02,319 and that was the first time that the 121 00:07:02,319 --> 00:07:05,039 city had a manager. Um, so Jesse Bolson 122 00:07:05,039 --> 00:07:07,440 was the city's first first city manager 123 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,280 and uh now we have Michael Ross, the 124 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:12,720 city's second city manager. Um, 125 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:17,759 there's um the the the value of the of 126 00:07:17,759 --> 00:07:20,160 the continuity of of government is is 127 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,039 expressed in state code as well. Um 128 00:07:23,039 --> 00:07:26,639 there's it's it's clear that when a new 129 00:07:26,639 --> 00:07:33,199 administration comes in um there's there's fresh ideas, but there's a lot of things that that should 130 00:07:33,199 --> 00:07:35,599 be should be held on to that have that 131 00:07:35,599 --> 00:07:39,440 have been lost by way of um um just just 132 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:44,080 the the natural attrition of things. Um 133 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,520 so we've uh we we've had that great 134 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,840 evolution as a city. We took that step 135 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,560 to to move many of those administrative 136 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,039 roles out of the out of the mayor's 137 00:07:55,039 --> 00:07:57,759 hands and and move it to a city manager. 138 00:07:57,759 --> 00:07:59,680 Okay. So that the city has a a 139 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,039 professionally managed uh CEO in charge 140 00:08:03,039 --> 00:08:14,629 of things. Um 141 00:08:14,639 --> 00:08:16,479 yeah, I don't I don't have much more to 142 00:08:16,479 --> 00:08:21,199 add on that. Anyone have questions about that form and how that took place 143 00:08:21,199 --> 00:08:23,520 and and and what happened there? Can we 144 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,199 move on to that next slide? 145 00:08:25,199 --> 00:08:27,919 >> No, I think we we we got a full dose of 146 00:08:27,919 --> 00:08:28,400 it. At least 147 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,000 >> we did get a full dose of that. 148 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,000 >> Four of us and bless Derek. I mean, he 149 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,360 was somewhat involved. 150 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,200 >> We kind of rehashed that whole thing 151 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,120 recently, too. I think the whole 152 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:38,640 discussion got brought back up, you 153 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,120 know, at the end of Mayor Crystal's 154 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:46,230 time. Um 155 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,320 so uh the there there's some allocation 156 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,120 of authority 157 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,720 and um under the strong mayor form which 158 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,760 is what what the the the mayor was prior 159 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:01,600 to a manager being being there where the 160 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:02,800 mayor was more in charge of the 161 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:08,880 day-to-day activities of the city um was over over the department heads um 162 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,920 was more involved in the uh 163 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,080 all of the day-to-day 164 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,839 administrative activities. Um, 165 00:09:17,839 --> 00:09:19,600 so there's there's some of the the 166 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:27,040 different things there. There's in uh in in the the five member council, the mayor holds a veto power. Our code 167 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,399 specifically says that the mayor does 168 00:09:28,399 --> 00:09:31,760 not hold a veto power. Um, we have a a a 169 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,519 specific section of code that addresses 170 00:09:33,519 --> 00:09:36,640 that. Um, 171 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:41,200 we have the city manager that runs the day-to-day activities. He's all all 172 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,560 employees report to the city manager. Um 173 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:47,519 there are no direct reports of city 174 00:09:47,519 --> 00:09:50,959 employees to any of the city council. Um 175 00:09:50,959 --> 00:09:55,040 those are all um so if if there are some 176 00:09:55,040 --> 00:10:00,240 um employment type issues, the the the proper channel to address those 177 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,839 would be city manager who then finds the 178 00:10:03,839 --> 00:10:06,240 right person to to to answer the 179 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:12,800 question or to to uh to to to take the administrative action with respect 180 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:19,910 to that employee. Um 181 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:24,880 the city manager is 182 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:30,320 that is a a a position that uh that's 183 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,000 appointed by the mayor with the advice 184 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,240 and consent of of city council as with 185 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,839 all other um department heads. Move on 186 00:10:37,839 --> 00:10:51,990 to the next slide. 187 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,920 The mayor is the presiding officer. 188 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,279 These are the duties of the mayor. Um 189 00:10:57,279 --> 00:10:58,480 she's the presiding officer of 190 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,000 Grantsville City. There's specific 191 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,279 statutory duties and powers involved. Um 192 00:11:03,279 --> 00:11:05,839 the mayor is the uh chair of the council 193 00:11:05,839 --> 00:11:07,920 meetings, presides over all city council 194 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,720 sessions, prepares the written agenda, 195 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,880 maintains order and guides procedural 196 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,920 conduct. Um so if there's ever a 197 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,760 question of 198 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,600 what is the proper procedure in this 199 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,200 event, we we turn to the mayor and the 200 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,200 mayor makes the call on on what is what 201 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:24,880 is proper. Of course, she can always 202 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:30,320 seek the advice and and and opinion of others, but that's ultimately the 203 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,720 call is is is the mayor's call in a 204 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,870 meeting. Um 205 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,279 the statutory chief executive serves as 206 00:11:39,279 --> 00:11:41,519 the official head of the city government 207 00:11:41,519 --> 00:11:43,440 um while delegating administrative 208 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:49,190 duties to the city manager. Um 209 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,360 under 264, we address that the bear has 210 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,720 no veto power. Um ceremonial 211 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,480 representation acts as the public face 212 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,720 of Grantsville city at at official 213 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:13,590 functions. Um 214 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:25,590 let's go to the next slide. 215 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,279 Well, the city council is the 216 00:12:27,279 --> 00:12:29,920 Grantsville's legislative body. Um 217 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,160 there's exclusive authority over key 218 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,760 government governmental functions. Um, 219 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,519 under 211 of our of our city code, it 220 00:12:39,519 --> 00:12:41,600 states, "The legislative and executive 221 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,760 powers of the city shall be exercised by 222 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,600 its governing body, which may be 223 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,800 referred to as quote city council, which 224 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:50,720 shall be composed of six members, one of 225 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:52,399 whom shall be the mayor, and the 226 00:12:52,399 --> 00:12:55,120 remaining five are referred to as 227 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,240 members of the city council." Are there 228 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,519 um just a a little pop quiz? Are are 229 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:03,440 there any instances in which the mayor 230 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,949 may vote 231 00:13:06,959 --> 00:13:09,519 » in a tie and and city manager? Right. 232 00:13:09,519 --> 00:13:14,560 Yep. That's the uh um um also the mayor 233 00:13:14,560 --> 00:13:18,959 is required to vote if uh there's u 234 00:13:18,959 --> 00:13:21,760 >> something that impacts the mayor's 235 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:22,079 power. 236 00:13:22,079 --> 00:13:22,800 >> Mayor's power. 237 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:38,470 >> Yes. 238 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,360 Um you're in charge of land use um 239 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,040 legislation 240 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,320 um legislative decisions. Um you're also 241 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:50,639 the um the the appeal authority for for 242 00:13:50,639 --> 00:13:52,480 uh for for many of those land use 243 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,000 decisions that are administratively 244 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,720 made. Um that's that's typically our 245 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,880 process. Um if it doesn't go to the 246 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,519 board of adjustment, the uh the the 247 00:14:01,519 --> 00:14:05,279 appeal authority is the um is is is the 248 00:14:05,279 --> 00:14:07,279 city council. From time to time, we do 249 00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:09,920 have hearings on on appeals for uh 250 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,800 revocations of uh conditional use 251 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,560 permits. Some of you have been part of 252 00:14:14,560 --> 00:14:19,040 those. Um they uh those are evidentiary 253 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:23,199 hearings. um or or uh um and so they're 254 00:14:23,199 --> 00:14:24,959 more formal type hearings where you put 255 00:14:24,959 --> 00:14:26,800 people under oath and they they give 256 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,600 testimony. Um 257 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,880 there's uh 258 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:34,480 you have the exclusive power of pass 259 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:41,430 ordinances. um 260 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,399 our our code um if if you've looked into 261 00:14:44,399 --> 00:14:48,880 it, I'm sure you have, there's there's a section of code for for just about 262 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,040 every position in in the city. If you 263 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,079 look for the the city council section, 264 00:14:54,079 --> 00:14:54,880 there isn't one. 265 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:55,279 >> No, 266 00:14:55,279 --> 00:14:56,639 >> we actually don't have a section called 267 00:14:56,639 --> 00:14:59,360 city council under under our city code. 268 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,760 um we then would defer to the to the to 269 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,079 the state code. Um which is, you know, 270 00:15:04,079 --> 00:15:05,760 that's that's probably the safest way to 271 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,600 do it is to say, well, we just we're 272 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,000 going to grant the city council with all 273 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,480 the rights and privileges that the uh 274 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,399 state of Utah does. I mean, the six 275 00:15:14,399 --> 00:15:16,720 member form of council. 276 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,949 Move to the next slide. 277 00:15:20,959 --> 00:15:27,910 » Sorry. 278 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:32,629 This is the the city manager. 279 00:15:32,639 --> 00:15:34,560 Uh city manager serves as the chief 280 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,120 administrative officer. Uh bridging 281 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,680 policy decisions with daily operations, 282 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,839 execute laws, implement ordinances and 283 00:15:41,839 --> 00:15:45,040 resolutions, pass council. Um and also 284 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,240 in charge of contract administration. 285 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,360 Um, as part of as part of a contract 286 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,920 administration, city manager signs all contracts and leases that that are 287 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,320 involved that that the city is involved 288 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,000 in. Um, not every contract, not every 289 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,480 lease comes before you. Um, only the 290 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:08,800 ones with major legislative impact will be brought before you. There's um 291 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,160 the the uh um as part of management of 292 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,920 the day-to-day activities of of of 293 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,000 operations of the city. Um, some of 294 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,680 those things are are are handled 295 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:33,509 administratively under his purview. Um 296 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:36,480 » it's an appointed position. Um council 297 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,600 has oversight over the over the position 298 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:53,990 of city manager. Um 299 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,480 in charge of personnel management, um 300 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,399 staffing decisions, 301 00:16:58,399 --> 00:17:02,079 um allocation of resources within uh 302 00:17:02,079 --> 00:17:10,400 city hall and uh um fixtures of of uh of uh city facilities. 303 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,400 um grievances. They're they're the 304 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,919 source for uh um referral if if if 305 00:17:15,919 --> 00:17:19,839 someone has a grievance. Um there's, you 306 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:21,600 know, I I 307 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,919 >> I don't want to be in in Michael's inbox 308 00:17:23,919 --> 00:17:25,360 just to see what he gets all the time 309 00:17:25,360 --> 00:17:28,319 because I'm sure it's just this this 310 00:17:28,319 --> 00:17:30,559 things. I mean, I'll bet you get 500 311 00:17:30,559 --> 00:17:32,240 emails a day. I can't even I can't even 312 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,600 imagine. I know I I I get a whole bunch 313 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,320 and I'm not on I think he's on just 314 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,080 about everything. 315 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:49,190 um 316 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,440 » budgeting. Um he supervises the 317 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,360 preparation of the administration of the 318 00:17:53,360 --> 00:17:56,320 city budget. Um 319 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,120 he's the financial steward for the city. 320 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:02,480 manager has an advisory and 321 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,480 then representative role or policy 322 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,760 advisor um to advise the city council on 323 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,679 policy options and implementation 324 00:18:09,679 --> 00:18:11,520 procedures. 325 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,510 Um, 326 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,919 » okay. 327 00:18:17,919 --> 00:18:21,600 >> At at council's request, he furnishes uh 328 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,679 reports to city council as requested or 329 00:18:23,679 --> 00:18:26,799 required for in order for you to be most 330 00:18:26,799 --> 00:18:33,120 fully informed of of the decisions that you're um asked to make. Let's move 331 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:40,230 to the next slide. 332 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,120 This is uh so the the city attorney um 333 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:45,200 the legal guard 334 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,000 um 335 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,240 we have to make decisions as a city. 336 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,400 There's there's no way around it. We 337 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:58,320 cannot delegate the the uh um our duty 338 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,480 to to make decisions. Sometimes those 339 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,480 decisions um there's risk of of of 340 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,440 whichever way you decide to do it. Um, 341 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,320 my role is to try and mitigate risk and 342 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,679 try to inform you of the risk. Um, one 343 00:19:13,679 --> 00:19:16,320 question that I had as my first position 344 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,400 as a as a city attorney, right? I've 345 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,559 never never represented a government in 346 00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:23,919 this capacity before. And it makes you 347 00:19:23,919 --> 00:19:26,320 wonder who who is my client? Who who do 348 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,080 I represent? Am I am I the mayor's 349 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,440 attorney? Am I am I your attorney? Um, 350 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,080 that's it's kind of a a difficult thing 351 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:35,919 to parse out, you know. Do I do I 352 00:19:35,919 --> 00:19:38,400 represent u all the employees of the 353 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,720 public works? Um do I represent the 354 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,919 state of Utah when I'm prosecuting? Um 355 00:19:43,919 --> 00:19:46,160 there's there's a lot of different hats 356 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,000 that I could wear, but when it comes to 357 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,520 an organization, I represent the 358 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,840 organization as a whole. And so I have 359 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:53,600 to make sure that I'm acting in the best 360 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,880 interest of the entire organization. Um 361 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,799 so that's that's a unique hat that I get 362 00:19:58,799 --> 00:20:00,799 to wear. And it's kind of interesting 363 00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:02,559 that the city attorney has a role of 364 00:20:02,559 --> 00:20:05,039 being a prosecutor for uh 365 00:20:05,039 --> 00:20:07,840 >> um city offenses and for municipal or 366 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,200 for misdemeanors and infractions because 367 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,280 as a prosecutor, you're you wear the 368 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,919 white hat, which means you have a a 369 00:20:15,919 --> 00:20:21,600 different role. You're not trying to to win. What you're trying to do is do 370 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,600 the right things. And um that's so you 371 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,919 have obligations to defendants. You have 372 00:20:27,919 --> 00:20:29,360 obligations to the court. You have 373 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:30,880 obligations 374 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:37,039 um to to to the city, of course. Um and to to victims. Um but you don't 375 00:20:37,039 --> 00:20:38,559 necessarily represent any of those 376 00:20:38,559 --> 00:20:41,280 victims, right? You you you've got to 377 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:45,440 represent um justice and and what what 378 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,280 is right. Um that is the same vein in 379 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,120 which you have to on the civil side of 380 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:53,200 things. uh when when I'm thinking about 381 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,880 my job on on this side of things. So I 382 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,960 have to represent the the organization 383 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,960 as a whole. Um and that that just means 384 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,640 looking to do the right thing. Um and 385 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,880 sometimes that that can put you in a in a bit of a conflict with with 386 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:13,120 individuals. Um say for example 387 00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:16,480 someone wants to do something that is um 388 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,200 illegal or improper 389 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,400 um as as part of their leadership role. 390 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,080 Um 391 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:29,919 they come to me in confidence and and if if that were to have been explained 392 00:21:29,919 --> 00:21:32,159 to me well is it part of a city 393 00:21:32,159 --> 00:21:34,799 operation then there is something called 394 00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:37,679 attorney client privilege you know and 395 00:21:37,679 --> 00:21:40,000 that's a very sacred privilege. the the 396 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,240 attorneys can't can't breach. Um, but at 397 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,320 some point you have to say, well, is 398 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,440 that person my client or is the city my 399 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,080 client? And because the city's my 400 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,640 client, those two things might be at 401 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,440 odds. And my obligation would be to take 402 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:03,679 the higher road to um to uh um 403 00:22:03,679 --> 00:22:07,039 to uh make right what has been proposed 404 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:10,480 to be wrong. um or at least to shine a 405 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,720 light on um to to advise against 406 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:20,870 proceeding in that manner. Um 407 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,960 attorney client privilege is is an 408 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,280 important privilege. Um it's it's one of 409 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,200 the the highest forms of privilege that 410 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,679 exists under the law. So things that are 411 00:22:29,679 --> 00:22:32,559 said between a client and an attorney 412 00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:35,679 are are required to be kept confidential 413 00:22:35,679 --> 00:22:38,799 on the attorney side of things. So, I 414 00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:41,600 cannot share confidential information 415 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,760 that that was shared with me. Um, as far 416 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,440 as city business goes, um, there can be 417 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,960 a breach of that though. That's um, I'm 418 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,919 obligated to to uphold my side of that 419 00:22:53,919 --> 00:22:55,520 privilege, but the privilege belongs to 420 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,080 the client. So, the the the client could 421 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,640 wave that privilege um, and they might 422 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,720 do it on accident. We're going to talk 423 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:09,360 about that here in a minute, how that could play out. Um, but I 424 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:12,240 represent prior administrations. I 425 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:13,840 represent 426 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,640 um the the interest of the city and as 427 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:17,840 it goes forward to future 428 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,440 administrations as well as this current 429 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,360 administration. And so there's lots of 430 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:25,840 things that could be at odds of what's best for the city. Um, and it's 431 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,440 not a policy decision, right? It's a riskmanagement decision. I don't 432 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,000 I'm not a policy maker in any way. What 433 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,360 I do is look for um how can I legally 434 00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:37,600 protect the the corporate interest of 435 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:42,640 Grantsville City? Um and and that is um 436 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,200 my my role to do as as the city attorney 437 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,280 and and to to do it within the rules of 438 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,640 professional conduct. Um managing risks 439 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,960 um 440 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,799 I guess one one question I've got for 441 00:23:54,799 --> 00:23:58,640 you is why why is a municipal prosecutor 442 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,799 important? Why why not just delegate 443 00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:04,320 these things to the county or um 444 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,240 contract it out in some phone it in 445 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,480 remotely? I guess did anyone have any 446 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,360 opinions on on why a local prosecutor 447 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:12,720 local justice court is 448 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,279 >> well a lot of cities do contract their 449 00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:18,240 prosecution out I used to do that but 450 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,799 having somebody I think in house is a 451 00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:23,120 lot better than your officers if they 452 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:26,000 have questions they can have know I 453 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,960 don't I think it's better 454 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,600 >> I agree with that yeah 455 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,360 lots of quick communication with with 456 00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:36,159 officers 457 00:24:36,159 --> 00:24:38,159 >> not just officers I mean, as I'm here on 458 00:24:38,159 --> 00:24:40,320 a daily basis, everybody's, "Oh, well, 459 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,799 let's just ask Tyson." I mean, it's a 460 00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:47,279 constant flow of Ask Tyson. 461 00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:50,000 >> As far as 462 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,000 there's these these crimes that that 463 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,760 happen in Gransville that I prosecute 464 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,960 are not um homicides and rapes, right? 465 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,200 These are class B misdemeanor, class C 466 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,880 misdemeanor, but they're crimes of 467 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,559 quality of life. These are things that 468 00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:05,120 impact your neighbors, right? You 469 00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:09,039 probably don't have a neighbor that's a a mass killer, but you might 470 00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:10,320 have a neighbor that gets drunk and 471 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,000 throws beer cans in the road or, you 472 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,720 know, makes a makes a mess in their yard 473 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,559 or parks where they're not supposed to 474 00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:19,200 or um steals from the from the grocery 475 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,440 store. Having someone locally involved 476 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,440 in that, I think, is is makes makes the 477 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:24,799 quality of life for residents in 478 00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:32,000 Grantsville elevated. Um looking out for safe driving, looking out for um 479 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,799 violations of of traffic code and and 480 00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:36,320 keeping things safe in that in that 481 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,080 regard can be can be helpful for your 482 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,240 city. Um, so I I I I I do believe the 483 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,279 local prosecution and and the impact 484 00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:47,840 that that can have. 485 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:57,430 Um, moving on to the next slide. 486 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,120 Uh so the we talked about the the city 487 00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:03,679 corporate uh client but on the next one 488 00:26:03,679 --> 00:26:06,320 down no unilateral waiver. That's what 489 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,720 we're talking about when we come to the attorney client privilege. 490 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,480 A single council member can wave 491 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,840 attorney client privilege on their own. 492 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,080 Disclosure by one member risks waving 493 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,400 privilege for the entire body creating 494 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,159 litigation vulnerability for all. 495 00:26:24,159 --> 00:26:33,679 So, there are some things that that if if discussed in the confidence with with your attorney um with with the city's attorney, if if someone 496 00:26:33,679 --> 00:26:36,159 were to go and share that information, 497 00:26:36,159 --> 00:26:38,480 breach that that confidentiality, 498 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,679 suddenly that becomes discoverable. It's 499 00:26:41,679 --> 00:26:43,919 no longer a protected communication 500 00:26:43,919 --> 00:26:46,080 because you've allowed voluntarily 501 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,520 someone else to be involved in that 502 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,400 conversation. It that it can happen 503 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,480 through uh through social media. It can 504 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,159 happen through um family and uh or it 505 00:26:56,159 --> 00:26:59,520 could happen uh um by any communications 506 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:04,559 that that we want to keep private um as part of that confidential nature. The 507 00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:07,440 it's a very important confidentiality 508 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,919 duty um between the the attorney and 509 00:27:09,919 --> 00:27:13,279 client um that's easily breached by by 510 00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:21,039 one one person um who who go forward as an entire city. If we wanted to wave 511 00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:22,799 some some form of privilege, it would 512 00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:25,039 actually take an act of city council to 513 00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:26,240 do that. They have to have the the 514 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,640 majority members say, "Okay, look, we 515 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,960 know this is a protected um 516 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,760 communication, but as a council, we 517 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,000 believe that that we should um 518 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,279 wave that that that that confidentiality 519 00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:52,320 that that privilege. Um, so that it it to do it intentionally um would be an act of city council if it were to be 520 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,600 done properly, but to do it 521 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,279 inadvertently 522 00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:57,200 um would be very easy. It would just 523 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,320 take one person um with a quick text or 524 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,200 a quick post. 525 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,559 One thing to to protect against that 526 00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:09,120 little bit of advice would be um perhaps 527 00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:12,399 consider instead of saying our attorney 528 00:28:12,399 --> 00:28:19,039 says XYZ rather than that say um the law 529 00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:21,760 says X Y and Z. So, you have an 530 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,200 understanding of the law, why the 531 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,760 attorney advised this, but you're not 532 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,120 disclosing that you've had a 533 00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,279 confidential discussion with your 534 00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:32,640 attorney by saying, "Our attorney says 535 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,080 this," and then the thing that was 536 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,480 confidentially spoken. Um because if if that's the case, then then there's 537 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:43,679 been a breach, um a a a waiver. 538 00:28:43,679 --> 00:28:46,399 Um, one of the things that that that I 539 00:28:46,399 --> 00:28:48,159 do, it's it's kind of interesting as a 540 00:28:48,159 --> 00:28:49,600 city attorney, it's one of the most 541 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,000 diverse practices that that you can 542 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,120 have. Um, I I heard a city attorney say 543 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,440 it's it's a one inch deep, mile wide 544 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,520 practice where you got to just kind of 545 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,399 know a little bit about everything. Um, 546 00:29:02,399 --> 00:29:04,080 there are sometimes when it's not one 547 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,279 inch deep, though. There's times where 548 00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:08,000 it's it's miles deep. Um, and in those 549 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,919 circumstances, I I what I have to know 550 00:29:09,919 --> 00:29:12,480 what I don't know. And so, uh, subject 551 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,240 matter experts, there are specialist 552 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:15,279 attorneys that we have good 553 00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:17,279 relationships with that I help to to 554 00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:19,679 continue to foster. Uh, we reach out to 555 00:29:19,679 --> 00:29:21,760 them in situations like water law that 556 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,039 can be complicated or bonding, PIDs, 557 00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:27,200 things like that that, you know, takes 558 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,440 some subject matter experts that 559 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,159 practice in this daily to to to be able 560 00:29:32,159 --> 00:29:35,279 to to best represent the city. Um, most 561 00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:37,520 of the time the the one inch deep is is 562 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,640 enough to to to you know field field the 563 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,880 general questions but but we we do have 564 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,320 that from time to time where we need to 565 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,559 reach out and contract with a subject 566 00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:50,399 matter expert. 567 00:29:50,399 --> 00:30:03,430 Uh moving on to the next one. 568 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,750 So there's um 569 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:13,840 what risks might occur from the use of social media? Anyone have any ideas? 570 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,679 As as a as an elected official, are 571 00:30:15,679 --> 00:30:19,190 there any risks? 572 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,120 » Jake, you're nodding your head. 573 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,399 >> There's a bunch of them. 574 00:30:22,399 --> 00:30:23,120 >> Yeah. 575 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,720 >> Anything you put in written format is 576 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,399 just as if you were saying it in a 577 00:30:28,399 --> 00:30:33,039 public forum. So it's Yeah. 578 00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:34,799 I like to use the word public forum 579 00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:37,279 there. That's a that's a a term of art 580 00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:39,840 that that is is being explored very 581 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,080 carefully with with social media right 582 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:46,000 now. Um so it's a a on someone's private 583 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,640 page. So it's not the Grantsville City 584 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,799 Facebook page, it's the Jake Thomas 585 00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:54,320 Facebook page, right? We've got um um 586 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,240 but you're saying, "Hey, I'm 587 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,480 Representative Council Member Jake 588 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,240 Thomas. Here's an announcement from the 589 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,520 city." 590 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:06,159 Um the the risk involved there is um 591 00:31:06,159 --> 00:31:08,080 well say someone doesn't agree with you 592 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,320 and they start giving your comments and 593 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,480 you say well hey let me uh block this 594 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,399 person. I don't want to hear from them 595 00:31:14,399 --> 00:31:17,039 anymore. You just blocked them from what 596 00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:19,120 is a quasi public forum at that point 597 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,880 because you're an elected official. 598 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,320 You've started talking about city 599 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,080 business and now you're shutting down 600 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,000 free speech. Um and and so the courts 601 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,919 have not gone all the way to the edge on 602 00:31:29,919 --> 00:31:32,480 that yet, but they're they're close. Um 603 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,200 we're we're not far off from uh from 604 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,399 that public forum finding um where we 605 00:31:38,399 --> 00:31:39,919 could have a a first amendment 606 00:31:39,919 --> 00:31:44,480 censorship issue. Um 607 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,960 I have a clarification maybe question on 608 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,640 that. um what is the difference between 609 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,240 a um like a Facebook page of an 610 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,840 individual who's in a public setting or 611 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,279 a Facebook page that's created that is 612 00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:03,200 um 613 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,360 like for instance when I was running for 614 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,440 city council I have a city council page 615 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,039 and I also have a personal page right so 616 00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:15,760 on the city council page I put 617 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,840 activities that are going down. You 618 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,399 know, I there's no there's no discussion 619 00:32:20,399 --> 00:32:22,799 on that page. It's really it's just hey, 620 00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:24,799 these are things that are happening. Is 621 00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:26,960 there a difference in the law between 622 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,360 the two or are they one in the sync? 623 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,519 >> There is a difference between the two. 624 00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:34,720 So, one is more um uniformly a public 625 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,120 forum and that would be like the the 626 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,279 official page of the Grantsville Fire 627 00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:41,200 Department, the official page of the the 628 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:46,000 Grantsville city. um Jake Thomas's 629 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,039 for city council that that's probably a 630 00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:50,240 little bit lower degree than those 631 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,320 official pages, but um if you're using 632 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,519 it for exclusively official business um 633 00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:57,279 to to make announcements about what's 634 00:32:57,279 --> 00:32:59,360 going on in the city, keep keep people 635 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,000 informed, um that's probably very close 636 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,600 to what would be considered an official 637 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:09,519 public forum. Um and and so that's the the the thing to be careful of there 638 00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:12,320 is is that you know where it's if we're 639 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,559 looking at it as a public forum it's sort of like an open meeting you 640 00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:18,399 know follow the same requirements. 641 00:33:18,399 --> 00:33:22,480 >> Yeah. We yeah public comments are are uh 642 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,880 um sometimes offensive sometimes um but we have our own rules 643 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,039 here. We we can shut things down if they 644 00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:30,960 fall outside of the scope of those those 645 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,080 rules. But um and with our with our 646 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,080 official page, we have we have rules and 647 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,240 policies in place, but where a personal 648 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,000 page, you probably haven't posted 649 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,480 anything like I will not tolerate this, this, and this, and these types of 650 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,279 things or will will will get you get you 651 00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:50,799 banned or blocked. Um, cities take great 652 00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:52,240 care to make sure that they have those 653 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,120 policies in place so that when someone 654 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,159 does step out of line in the comments or 655 00:33:58,159 --> 00:34:00,000 things become absurd that they can say, 656 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,760 "Well, that's not relevant. You're not 657 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,840 talking about city business." We can we can uh block you from that 658 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,119 conversation. Um, but that probably 659 00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:12,480 doesn't exist for the for those. And you 660 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,280 know, not not trying to say like, "Hey, 661 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,359 don't don't post on your own pages, you 662 00:34:17,359 --> 00:34:19,919 know." um you know, it's it's it's me 663 00:34:19,919 --> 00:34:21,440 and my first amendment right and I've 664 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,240 got I've got my own agenda that I want 665 00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:28,079 to promote and I want to um you know 666 00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:29,119 make make sure that I'm saying the 667 00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:30,399 things that I want to say and you can't 668 00:34:30,399 --> 00:34:31,760 stop me from saying what I want to say 669 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,879 and I can't I'm just the I'm just the 670 00:34:34,879 --> 00:34:36,639 guy with the white hat trying to trying 671 00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:37,919 to do the right thing and say the right 672 00:34:37,919 --> 00:34:41,119 thing um to to say what's best for for 673 00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:44,399 the city or people in the past people in 674 00:34:44,399 --> 00:34:47,520 the future the continuity of of of the 675 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,839 city. Um, you know, it's it's an 676 00:34:49,839 --> 00:34:53,280 absolute honor to to to serve you um um 677 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,520 as the you know, here in the flesh the 678 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,599 will of the people, the city council 679 00:34:57,599 --> 00:34:59,760 that that's that's why you're here, 680 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,560 right? So, um 681 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,079 effectively communicating with the 682 00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:09,280 people is is an important um part of what we do as well. Um, so not 683 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,359 trying to stop anyone from saying what 684 00:35:11,359 --> 00:35:13,760 they want to say online, but it's uh 685 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,280 there's there there's some things to be 686 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,200 cautious about for sure. 687 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,760 >> Could I just just say one one thing 688 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,880 about that just or I think we saw a good 689 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,000 example of of that somewhat um just a 690 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,640 few months ago when you know a lot of 691 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,200 excitement behind USA hockey team 692 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,000 winning the the gold medal, right? And 693 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,480 then afterwards, you had our FBI 694 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,680 director, you know, really active on on 695 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,400 social media in in those regards 696 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:50,800 regarding all that and afterwards and it just um that got turned into a 697 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,280 bad light for him and for the 698 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:54,800 administration. And so you can see how 699 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,800 that get that can turn pretty quick. 700 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,839 Wow. The intention behind it was nothing 701 00:35:59,839 --> 00:36:02,320 but good and celebrating what they had 702 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,680 just accomplished. But uh the flip of 703 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,000 that u happened pretty quick. And and 704 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,880 that's just that is so evident in our 705 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,839 society today. How quick that that that 706 00:36:13,839 --> 00:36:16,400 can change from something that 707 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,400 apparently was good and then all of a 708 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,400 sudden is like oh well maybe he 709 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,000 shouldn't have done that. Right. 710 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,800 >> Absolutely. And you're right, your 711 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,119 privacy as an individual on council is 712 00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:29,040 totally different than it was before you 713 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,400 got on council. 714 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,119 >> Oh, absolutely. And and I think I mean I 715 00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:34,960 knew that going into this, right? I 716 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,440 think a lot of us did. Um that you know 717 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,400 that kind of went out the window by 718 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,480 winning that election. Yep. So 719 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:45,920 >> I have a question. I I mean I'm the 720 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,839 newest one. So like I So now people are 721 00:36:47,839 --> 00:36:49,359 saying stuff about the city or about 722 00:36:49,359 --> 00:36:51,040 city council that's not true or 723 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:57,200 inaccurate and like how do we how do we just I don't know. I'm just very I don't know the rules. I don't want to 724 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,040 post something about the city that's not 725 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,040 true and I don't like I mean usually I 726 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,640 try and get the information so I know 727 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,400 the correct information. But I don't 728 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:05,839 know. I guess maybe I'm asking just in 729 00:37:05,839 --> 00:37:07,119 general for training 730 00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:08,880 >> like what does what do you guys do? Do 731 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,640 we like just more responsive emails? 732 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,480 Like I I'm very I don't usually post on 733 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,000 Facebook anyways like even my own 734 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,880 personal page but I just don't know like 735 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,240 I want to get the information out there 736 00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:20,560 that's accurate. So I I don't know. I 737 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,000 guess now my question is maybe more of 738 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,680 the councils. What you guys have been up 739 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,680 longer like do we just address it more 740 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,280 publicly and when when we're at a public 741 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:32,390 meeting? Is that the better way? 742 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,320 Well, I I think from from my 743 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,280 perspective, um I uh I I've kind of 744 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,200 steered clear of the social media um 745 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,160 aspect of it and just tried my best to 746 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,960 um address things in a public forum in 747 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,839 this meeting and um individually at 748 00:37:47,839 --> 00:37:50,160 times depending upon the situation via 749 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,480 email individuals have have reached out 750 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,160 and I think they deserve um for the most 751 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,960 part uh you know some sort of response 752 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,160 from at least one of us. So typically I 753 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,320 when I respond to someone I respond to 754 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,079 them directly. I don't I don't copy the 755 00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:09,680 rest of the council. Um because I feel 756 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,079 like from my perspective I don't want to 757 00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:14,400 sway anyone else on the council from 758 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,560 thinking that oh well this is what 759 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,119 Councilman Butler thinks right um in 760 00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:21,920 this regards. So anyhow, 761 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,320 >> yeah, that's how I just I'm new, so I'm 762 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:25,839 like and I that my understanding is we 763 00:38:25,839 --> 00:38:27,359 we're not supposed to copy everybody 764 00:38:27,359 --> 00:38:28,800 because that would be 765 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,640 >> Yeah, I'm going to be all 766 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,640 >> even though it's sent to us directly. 767 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,760 >> Yeah. Replying back all I I think that 768 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,760 that's a that's a mistake. So that's why 769 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,119 I've just 770 00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:40,480 >> Well, sometimes I get emails too that I 771 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:41,280 don't know answers to. So I'm like, 772 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,560 "Hey, I need to go find out these 773 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,119 answers before I respond." So 774 00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:48,000 >> I'd be concerned about accuracy is 775 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,760 really important, right? I think that's 776 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:50,720 >> well and I know we can't control 777 00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:52,000 everything. That's like I understand 778 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,839 that. I just like at my role as city 779 00:38:53,839 --> 00:38:55,520 council. I want like because I don't I 780 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,599 want to inform the public if I can. I 781 00:38:57,599 --> 00:38:58,720 just don't I'm trying to figure out the 782 00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:02,000 best way to do that. 783 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:07,670 >> That's just from a from a uh um 784 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:14,880 representation. Um um the uh um 785 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,280 my my my obligations as as a city 786 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,119 attorney is to look at it and say, 787 00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:21,839 "Well, is it if if council member 788 00:39:21,839 --> 00:39:24,000 Skinner wants to disparage your past 789 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,400 administration on her personal Facebook, 790 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,119 I would say, well, from from from a 791 00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:31,280 legal perspective, you have every right 792 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,320 to to to say what you want to say on 793 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,599 online. But from a riskmanagement p 794 00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:39,920 perspective, from from a what's best 795 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,240 from for for the the corporate entity of 796 00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:46,079 Grantsville City, it would be to to not 797 00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:49,599 um cast in a negative light the any 798 00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:51,280 former official and any of their 799 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,720 actions. um just because that um you 800 00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:57,119 know that you're you're causing alarm, 801 00:39:57,119 --> 00:39:59,440 drawing conclusions, giving opportunity 802 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,359 for other people to draw conclusions, 803 00:40:01,359 --> 00:40:08,400 inviting other um uh disparagement to to come on. Um and and and so all of 804 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,040 that is um you know that that goes down 805 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,040 the the the 806 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,359 wrong side of how we want to use social 807 00:40:15,359 --> 00:40:17,520 media if we're looking at this from a 808 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,280 what's the what's the best thing that we 809 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,599 can do for the city as far as keeping us 810 00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:23,200 legally safe, making sure that our 811 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,040 decisions are are defensible and um 812 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,760 because should this council pass 813 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,079 something and then in in in a couple of 814 00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:34,240 years some future council says, "Well, 815 00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:36,560 what they did those guys are a bunch of 816 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,560 dummies and they should have done what 817 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:44,320 they did and and you know that the the things that they passed were wrong. 818 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,160 Well, that all that's going to do is 819 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,000 cause someone to go back and say, "Well, 820 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,320 let's let's find a way to to unwind 821 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,520 what's been done as a city and is that good for the city moving 822 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,839 forward? Is it is it is it good to have 823 00:40:55,839 --> 00:40:58,240 to try and defend things that that that 824 00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:01,200 we shouldn't have to defend?" Um, you 825 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,480 know, that's as as as the attorney, I 826 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,560 would say no. I would say no. But 827 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,040 that's, you know, 828 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,040 you are your own individuals. You're 829 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,760 here for a reason. Um, you are the will 830 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,480 of the people. Um, been elected to be 831 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,720 where you're at. And um that's 832 00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:22,960 there's there's there's a balance to be 833 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,280 struck I guess is is is the important 834 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:30,319 takeaway is that um while there's a um 835 00:41:30,319 --> 00:41:32,400 political career on one side of things 836 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,200 and then a risk management for for the 837 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,880 continuity of the city on the other side 838 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,800 of things 839 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,200 and you know there's there's there's a 840 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,920 balance. Um, if you have any questions 841 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,839 about something or if if you're worried 842 00:41:45,839 --> 00:41:47,119 that something might not be accurate, 843 00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:49,680 I'd always be more than happy to take a 844 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,520 question. 845 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,839 So, Tyson, this is a funny question that 846 00:41:53,839 --> 00:41:56,560 my wife's sweet, but 847 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,800 I've asked it, is there any liability? 848 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,200 Like, I've been scared of how to handle 849 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,760 questions on social media, but I might 850 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,520 have a family member wants to kick some 851 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:06,480 trash, 852 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,119 >> you know, and defend us. How do you I 853 00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:11,839 mean I usually just talk them off the 854 00:42:11,839 --> 00:42:15,599 ledge the family member and say 855 00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:18,560 let it ride but is there any liability 856 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,280 if they do that unbeknownst to a council 857 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,440 member 858 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,720 just a wife I mean kids 859 00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:29,040 husband mom and dad you know they want 860 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:30,079 to defend you 861 00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:31,839 >> I think the liability you know would 862 00:42:31,839 --> 00:42:34,079 probably mostly in that context be if 863 00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:35,839 they're talking about things that were 864 00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:38,079 not put in the public realm the things 865 00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:40,000 that there would have been privileged 866 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,240 material that would that would indicate 867 00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:44,400 that privilege material has been 868 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,240 discussed in the home and is has gone 869 00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:48,720 outside of the of the attorney client 870 00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:51,520 relationship then then that that would 871 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,359 be the liability there is that the the 872 00:42:53,359 --> 00:42:55,359 waiver could be could could be exposed 873 00:42:55,359 --> 00:42:58,079 at that point to say well that that that 874 00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:00,319 privilege no longer exists in in this 875 00:43:00,319 --> 00:43:03,430 context 876 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,480 » but excluding that have 877 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,040 >> well I 878 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,599 not advisable, right? I would I would 879 00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:14,160 say like, yeah, hold back. You know, 880 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,560 we're um 881 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,960 I I I strive to wear my white hat as 882 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,880 much as possible, right? To to say like 883 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,560 I'm be above the the the 884 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,520 noise um of of whatever the the small 885 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,240 percentage is. And I think that uh Bill, 886 00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:32,160 our our community development director 887 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,400 at one of our last meetings did a good 888 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,079 job of accurately saying like even if 889 00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:37,920 you're reaching out on social media and 890 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,480 you get a almost go viral from what 891 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,319 Grantsville's page should be maybe 80 892 00:43:42,319 --> 00:43:44,480 comments, which is huge, that's such a 893 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,359 small percentage of the population of of 894 00:43:47,359 --> 00:43:48,960 Grantsville that it isn't really a 895 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,640 representation at all in any way. It's 896 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,760 within the margin of error of of of what 897 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,000 any sort of statistical standard would 898 00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:04,400 be. Um, so you're you're uh talking to a very small but loud. 899 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,400 >> Um, not to say that their opinions are 900 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,079 unimportant because they are. 901 00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:08,800 >> Yeah. 902 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:13,040 >> Very important, but um yeah, it's it's a 903 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,280 um 904 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,280 may not be worse than breath, I guess, 905 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:23,829 >> right? 906 00:44:23,839 --> 00:44:27,280 » Let's go to the next slide. 907 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,400 So there's a a statuto split um between 908 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,560 the administrative and legislative land 909 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:38,480 use um decisions that you'll make. Um 910 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,040 your role is going to largely be policy 911 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:45,119 making um reszones uh zone changes, 912 00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:47,359 general plan amendments, 913 00:44:47,359 --> 00:44:48,880 uh things that are legislative in 914 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,520 nature. Um you have wide latitude as to 915 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,280 the rationale that you use for your 916 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,920 legislative decisions. um when it when 917 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,480 it is a legislative decision, it's it's 918 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,200 almost always defensible. Um as long as 919 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,440 it isn't arbitrary, precious, or 920 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:08,720 illegal. Um so those are those are the things to stay away from. It's it 921 00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:12,560 shouldn't be just because, right, should have a a reason for the things 922 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,760 that we do, but that reason could, you 923 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,240 know, it could just be reasonably 924 00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:22,319 related to to a a city benefit. Um, so 925 00:45:22,319 --> 00:45:23,839 long as you're looking to to do what's 926 00:45:23,839 --> 00:45:25,599 right for the city, then you're probably 927 00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:27,440 making the right decision regardless of 928 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,200 how you do it. Um, it's a um legislative 929 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,200 decision and if what's on your mind is 930 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:34,400 doing something that's right for the 931 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:35,920 city, then you're not going to be in the 932 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,400 arbitrary and capriccious or the the 933 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,280 illegal realm. Um, just just think about 934 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,680 that, you know, is is this a was I 935 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,079 considering this for the for the for the 936 00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:48,160 best interest of the city? And the other 937 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:49,680 thing to think about a little bit there 938 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,960 too is um have we have we had a very 939 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,880 similar situation come up before and we 940 00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,200 decided to do something opposite of what 941 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:00,800 we're doing now because if that's the 942 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,920 case then we need to be more consistent 943 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,359 in in in our uh application of the law. 944 00:46:07,359 --> 00:46:10,319 And so that's that's the uh the other 945 00:46:10,319 --> 00:46:12,800 caution there, but that would be illegal 946 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:18,720 if if we were to say um reszone on this lot is allowed. Reszone right next 947 00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:21,119 door for the exact same purpose with no 948 00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:25,359 change in circumstances. Um then then uh 949 00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:26,560 we would have an issue there and that 950 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,440 would be 951 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,200 um 952 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,200 so you have high discretion on these 953 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,079 policy decisions. um all the all the 954 00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:38,319 administrative type things, those are 955 00:46:38,319 --> 00:46:40,960 very rigid. We we have specific rules, 956 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,079 but the the the conditional use permits 957 00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:45,839 uh we've gone over this many times, but 958 00:46:45,839 --> 00:46:48,800 we have to approve them unless unless 959 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,560 there is a detrimental impact. They 960 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,680 can't be substantially mitigated 961 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:58,800 um by by uh reasonable conditions. Um so 962 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,079 those are those are the the 963 00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:05,200 administrative type decisions. Um we'll do our very best to always clarify 964 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,960 you're wearing your legislative hat or 965 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,400 wearing your administrative hat when 966 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,000 you're making a decision. And um you 967 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,359 know if if if if in doubt support it 968 00:47:15,359 --> 00:47:17,599 with evidence in the record that's you 969 00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:19,440 know if well this could be one or the 970 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,280 other support it with evidence in the 971 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,240 record whatever decision you make. Uh 972 00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:30,069 let's move on to the next. 973 00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:33,119 So this is the uh 974 00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:35,920 um governmental trust is our insurance 975 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,599 provider um when it comes to things. So 976 00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:41,839 all of the liability insurance we have 977 00:47:41,839 --> 00:47:45,200 all of the um they go through the Utah 978 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,680 Local Governmental Trust. It's it's a 979 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,440 great um great organization. They do an 980 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,760 excellent job. They provide trainings. 981 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,960 They provide free legal advice. They um 982 00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,319 that they're always there. They answer 983 00:47:58,319 --> 00:47:59,920 the phone every time you call them. It's 984 00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:01,839 pretty nice and they're they are very 985 00:48:01,839 --> 00:48:04,079 responsive because they share liability 986 00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:06,240 with us because they you know we pay 987 00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:08,640 them and they they will pay out if we if 988 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,160 we make our own choices. So they are 989 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:11,440 very interested in making sure that we 990 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,839 make good choices. So they are more than 991 00:48:13,839 --> 00:48:15,920 willing to talk to us on on on our 992 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:20,480 decision- making give us give us some opinions on on how to how to direct 993 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:25,599 our our uh um our efforts. Um but there 994 00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:28,400 are some things that are not covered by 995 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,200 um by by the the governmental trust. 996 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,040 They won't cover things that are land 997 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,359 use decisions because of the incredible 998 00:48:37,359 --> 00:48:39,760 impact and damages that that that can 999 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,359 derive from those decisions. um if we 1000 00:48:43,359 --> 00:48:47,680 were to um make a a a an illegal land 1001 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,040 use decision, um just the the 1002 00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,040 consequential damages from that type of 1003 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,800 civil suit um on a largecale development 1004 00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,119 could could be tens and tens or hundreds 1005 00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:02,000 of millions of dollars. Um and so 1006 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,680 they're not willing to take on that that 1007 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,079 type of risk because 1008 00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:09,520 um while while we we have a wonderful 1009 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,200 council, a wonderful planning commission 1010 00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:12,559 right now, who knows what's going to 1011 00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:14,079 happen in the future. We don't know who 1012 00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:15,760 those people will occupy those chairs in 1013 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,680 the future. And um there if if if some 1014 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,160 radical ideas come out and radical 1015 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,800 things get done um that are outside of 1016 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,520 the the guard rails um we we could end 1017 00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,680 up with some large judgments. Cities go 1018 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:34,559 bankrupt. Um because these things are 1019 00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:37,680 more more or less uninsurable um because 1020 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,880 these are um um 1021 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,599 just just catastrophic damages can occur 1022 00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:45,760 from those. Um the other things that are 1023 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,640 not covered are um 1024 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,440 gross negligence, 1025 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,270 uh willful misconduct. 1026 00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:03,510 Um 1027 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,960 see violations of the o the OPMA 1028 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,119 um 1029 00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:12,480 uh regulatory takings claims and ethics 1030 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,440 violations. 1031 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,400 So those are those are um mostly related 1032 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,520 to like bad actors, right? So that got a 1033 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,079 bad actors intentionally doing wrong. 1034 00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:25,760 Those are those are hard. We do have 1035 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,559 criminal um criminal liability insurance 1036 00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:33,440 for our our our officials. But um yeah, 1037 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,359 that's 1038 00:50:35,359 --> 00:50:37,839 um what I wanted to hammer home on that 1039 00:50:37,839 --> 00:50:39,359 as far as the trust goes is that they 1040 00:50:39,359 --> 00:50:41,040 are a great organization. If you if 1041 00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,240 you're looking for some training, you 1042 00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:44,079 can go to the go to their website. They 1043 00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:45,680 have they have great training videos on 1044 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,079 there. Um they they they have messages 1045 00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:51,520 of the data they send out. Um they also 1046 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:55,440 um um don't cover land use. So anytime 1047 00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,359 you're doing land use stuff, just think 1048 00:50:57,359 --> 00:50:59,520 we're on cover here. I'm driving an 1049 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,960 uninsured motor ve. 1050 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,680 The big one is the employment law and 1051 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,960 decisions for um equal opportunity 1052 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,200 employment is what they really do. We 1053 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,680 talk to them quite a bit about uh 1054 00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,920 staffing issues and things that they 1055 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:22,230 provide that advice for free. 1056 00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:23,839 » Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. the the 1057 00:51:23,839 --> 00:51:25,440 employment law stuff and that's that's 1058 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,160 somewhere where we could probably um 1059 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,640 subject matter experts are are critical 1060 00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,680 there, but they they do offer 1061 00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,520 pretty regular advice if we need stuff 1062 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,760 to learn, which is very nice. 1063 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,440 >> They're not doing it for free. We we pay 1064 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,920 that. But it's 1065 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,000 >> provided services. So once again, just 1066 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,760 going over that list, it was gross 1067 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,440 negligence, open public meetings act, it 1068 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:50,000 was 1069 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,200 >> intentional, illegal acts, 1070 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,520 land use 1071 00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,359 >> and 1072 00:51:57,359 --> 00:51:58,480 >> ethics violations. 1073 00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,960 >> Ethics violation, which bribery, right? 1074 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,559 >> Yes. 1075 00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:04,800 >> Okay. 1076 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,319 But I've always wanted someone to give 1077 00:52:06,319 --> 00:52:10,400 us advice on we had two prior councilmen 1078 00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,640 get sued individually for a land use 1079 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,240 decision. 1080 00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:16,960 None of us want that to happen. So what 1081 00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,440 can we do to is there anything we can do 1082 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:23,040 to protect ourselves against that? 1083 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,800 >> Well, we we can't really protect against 1084 00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,359 getting sued because you can sue anybody 1085 00:52:27,359 --> 00:52:28,880 for just about anything, you know, and 1086 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:29,200 it's 1087 00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:30,960 >> and that's the world that we live in. we 1088 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,520 want to be able to defend what what the 1089 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,040 what decision we made and and so if 1090 00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:41,520 there's a a problem of um whether we've 1091 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,680 applied the law in an equal way or 1092 00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,920 whether we've we've stepped outside of 1093 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,520 our own um municipal code or land use 1094 00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,160 code. Um those are the areas where where 1095 00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:53,920 we run into trouble or if we're going 1096 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,079 against the the state law. And so if 1097 00:52:56,079 --> 00:52:59,040 we're doing our earnest best to to try 1098 00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,000 and make the right decision, um I think 1099 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,839 that even still sometimes you can step 1100 00:53:03,839 --> 00:53:06,720 in. But um you can catch a lawsuit for 1101 00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:08,960 just about anything. But um what I what 1102 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:16,240 I would suggest is is uh support the the decision decisions you make um with 1103 00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:18,079 the rationale of why you're making the 1104 00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:20,640 decision. And if that if that's I'm 1105 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,559 doing it because just because well 1106 00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:24,079 that's that's it's arbitrary and 1107 00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:26,559 precious. But if you're doing it because 1108 00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:28,480 you you want to see Main Street develop 1109 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,520 in this way or you you want to see 1110 00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,040 beautifification in that way or you 1111 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,640 think that this is a safer way to do 1112 00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,760 things. Um those are all reasons that if 1113 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,599 it's a legislative decision, those those 1114 00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:44,400 will hold up all day. Um but if it's if it's the same reason that you 1115 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,800 gave for something else and you and you 1116 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,880 said no to that one and they're they're 1117 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,599 they sit in they're they're similarly 1118 00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:54,800 situated. um then there's a inequal 1119 00:53:54,800 --> 00:54:00,390 application of the law there. 1120 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,880 » So we're better off to you know if we 1121 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,000 vote no to get it in the public record 1122 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,960 explain ourselves voting no because of 1123 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,200 this. 1124 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:11,760 >> Yes. 1125 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,040 >> Here's why I'm personally voting no yay 1126 00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:16,240 or nay. Yeah. 1127 00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:18,160 >> Yeah. If it's uh if it's something 1128 00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:19,839 that's been it's gone through the 1129 00:54:19,839 --> 00:54:21,119 planning commission. We have a staff 1130 00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:22,559 report. you know, you could you could 1131 00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:26,079 note staff report, lean on that. Um say, 1132 00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:28,319 you know, I I agree with the planning 1133 00:54:28,319 --> 00:54:36,319 commission's decision to uh deny or I I support their rationale for approval. 1134 00:54:36,319 --> 00:54:43,040 I uh for the reasons stated in the in the uh report, I I I agree with 1135 00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:44,800 this. You know, those those are the 1136 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,440 things that that that the release show 1137 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,040 to anyone listening to the record later 1138 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:50,800 on. This is where I can go find the 1139 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:54,950 reasons why. 1140 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,400 » It's very hard to remember the reasons 1141 00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,480 why, right? In a deposition in two 1142 00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:06,950 years, right? It's it's difficult. 1143 00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:16,630 » Uh next next slide. 1144 00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,359 So, uh, this is, uh, this is my final 1145 00:55:19,359 --> 00:55:22,640 kind ofish slide here. Um, but I just 1146 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,480 wanted to to write there as we as we 1147 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,800 continue down this retreat, 1148 00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,960 um, let's, uh, recommit to the 1149 00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,319 principles that guide effective 1150 00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:32,800 municipal governance um, by honoring our 1151 00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,400 statutory roles and maintaining 1152 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,160 procedural integrity. We serve 1153 00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,559 Grantsville's residents with uh, with 1154 00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:41,760 excellence. Um, 1155 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,160 everyone wears a wears a different hat 1156 00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:48,400 um in in in the city. Um, 1157 00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,720 and uh we we do our best to to 1158 00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:56,079 understand what our role is and and to 1159 00:55:56,079 --> 00:55:58,240 magnify that in a way that that 1160 00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:03,280 represents the city well. Um, and I I'll always do my best to try and keep 1161 00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,079 you within those guard rails. Um, there 1162 00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:11,040 are um I I'm not in authority. I can't 1163 00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,440 tell you not to to vote away. I can't 1164 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,920 tell you to to uh to to uh silence 1165 00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,680 yourself, but um hopefully I've earned 1166 00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,640 some credibility and and when when those 1167 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,359 types of things come up, I can um at 1168 00:56:27,359 --> 00:56:30,480 least give you that advice and I I hope 1169 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,640 that you'll listen to it. Um because 1170 00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,280 what I'm concerned with is not not any 1171 00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,280 individual decision. what I'm concerned 1172 00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,440 about is my client 1173 00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:43,119 and that's a that's a wide a wide reach. 1174 00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:45,280 So, thank you. Thank you. 1175 00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:45,760 >> Thank you. 1176 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,440 >> Tyson, I have a question. Sorry, this is 1177 00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,160 just kind of a random question. Um 1178 00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:51,839 is so like say you're on Facebook and 1179 00:56:51,839 --> 00:56:54,240 you're buying something like or donating 1180 00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:55,599 something. I just this was a weird 1181 00:56:55,599 --> 00:56:56,640 question I was talking Heidi about when 1182 00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:57,599 I first came on because I didn't think 1183 00:56:57,599 --> 00:56:58,880 about it until after I became on 1184 00:56:58,880 --> 00:56:59,920 council. Like I don't look like I'm 1185 00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:01,440 buying anybody like hey I'm donating to 1186 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,599 your I mean that doesn't cause a 1187 00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:05,760 problem, right? If I'm just buying or 1188 00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,920 like donating to a person like, hey, I'm 1189 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,520 doing a fundraiser or something, we 1190 00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,040 don't have any duties to report that as 1191 00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:12,559 a conflict of interest in any way to the 1192 00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:13,359 city. 1193 00:57:13,359 --> 00:57:16,079 >> No, if it's part of your campaign funds, 1194 00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:18,960 then yes, you got to do your your your 1195 00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,400 >> Yeah, somebody that that would be a 1196 00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:21,599 conflict of interest. But 1197 00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:26,720 >> yeah, so the conflict of interest is is kind of a tough thing. Um really, 1198 00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,200 it's not as rigid as as what many people 1199 00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,240 think it is. um even if someone is 1200 00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:33,839 deriving a financial benefit from 1201 00:57:33,839 --> 00:57:35,760 something, it may even be enough just to 1202 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,400 disclose that that that exists, right? 1203 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,599 Because um particularly at at at your 1204 00:57:41,599 --> 00:57:46,319 level of of being some some some um 1205 00:57:46,319 --> 00:57:50,079 elected officials um you you are what 1206 00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:57,440 you are and the people elected you and and that's you know so your your job is known, your the your 1207 00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,960 associations are likely known. Um, and 1208 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,760 um, this this is not a money-making 1209 00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:04,960 endeavor. I don't think anyone's here to 1210 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:06,480 get rich on these things, but if there 1211 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,920 is ever a financial um, piece where you 1212 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,839 stand to benefit from a decision that 1213 00:58:11,839 --> 00:58:14,480 you're making, the the the critical 1214 00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,559 piece is to disclose that because you 1215 00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:18,079 don't want to go back in time and try to 1216 00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:19,599 justify why you still voted for 1217 00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:21,760 something that that you were deriving a 1218 00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,160 financial benefit from. the safest way 1219 00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,640 to to to go forward is to to bring it up 1220 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,319 before the vote and then and then we'll 1221 00:58:28,319 --> 00:58:29,760 have a discussion about whether it's 1222 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,240 appropriate to to continue on the vote. 1223 00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,280 Um but um as far as making the 1224 00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,119 donations, you know, I don't think 1225 00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:38,799 there's much to be concerned with there 1226 00:58:38,799 --> 00:58:42,880 unless it's a a quote proquo situation. 1227 00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,680 >> I just like once I became council then I 1228 00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,760 was I I guess double thinking, you know, 1229 00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,440 everything. I just don't want to get 1230 00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:50,880 don't want to do anything. It's not 1231 00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,710 good. 1232 00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,880 Thank you. No, thank you. Appreciate it. 1233 00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,319 >> Thanks, Tyson. 1234 00:58:58,319 --> 00:58:59,359 >> Very well done. 1235 00:58:59,359 --> 00:59:02,160 >> Yes. 1236 00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,160 >> All right. 1237 00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,319 >> Our next agenda item is number two, 1238 00:59:06,319 --> 00:59:08,160 training of roles and responsibilities 1239 00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,960 of the city recorder and open public 1240 00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:15,270 meetings act training. 1241 00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,920 » I am 1242 00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,280 trying to get this. Hold on. 1243 00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:22,400 It's gonna be hard because I have to 1244 00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,520 take my laptop up here but I there but I 1245 00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,400 need to get it on here too. So hold on. 1246 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,079 >> Do you need five minutes? 1247 00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:31,599 >> Do you? Yes. 1248 00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:33,599 >> Just take a five minute break but a 1249 00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:34,720 strict five minute break. 1250 00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:35,920 >> Yes. That would be perfect. 1251 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:37,680 >> Four and a half. Thank you. 1252 00:59:37,680 --> 01:03:42,789 >> 429. 1253 01:03:42,799 --> 01:03:44,960 Alicia's gonna throw a pop quiz on us on 1254 01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,200 a Friday afternoon. 1255 01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:50,000 >> ABC true or false 1256 01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:50,319 handle. 1257 01:03:50,319 --> 01:03:52,400 >> D none of the above. 1258 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,799 >> So, um yeah, 1259 01:03:54,799 --> 01:03:55,359 >> it's just 1260 01:03:55,359 --> 01:03:56,720 >> Yeah, it's all in place and everything. 1261 01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,480 All you have to do is just click. Okay, 1262 01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,359 just click. 1263 01:04:01,359 --> 01:04:07,280 Okay, so I am going to talk to you about 1264 01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,000 uh council essentials. I'm going to try 1265 01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:11,520 and discuss a little bit of water 1266 01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:13,920 rights, not too many, but uh the 1267 01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,240 recorder roles and responsibilities and 1268 01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:20,710 then stop this. 1269 01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:24,240 Um today really is helping you. I just 1270 01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,240 want to note this really. It's about 1271 01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,319 helping you avoid the most common issues 1272 01:04:28,319 --> 01:04:31,520 that we see which most of which are 1273 01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,319 completely horrible. Right. So anyway, 1274 01:04:34,319 --> 01:04:35,599 we're going to go into water credits 1275 01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:38,480 really quick. Gonna go over rights. 1276 01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:39,280 Whoops. 1277 01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,119 >> Sorry. Not excited. 1278 01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:42,640 >> Wow. 1279 01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,680 Rights, credits, banking, assigning, and 1280 01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,559 dedicating. 1281 01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:50,559 So, you guys probably already know this, 1282 01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:52,079 but um we're just going to kind of go 1283 01:04:52,079 --> 01:04:54,640 over it again, but water rights are 1284 01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,559 exactly what they sound like. They are 1285 01:04:56,559 --> 01:04:59,920 the legal rights to use water. So, these 1286 01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:02,160 are governed by the state of Utah and 1287 01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:04,000 they define how much water can be used 1288 01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,799 and under what conditions. 1289 01:05:06,799 --> 01:05:08,720 Um what's important to understand is 1290 01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,599 that water rights and water credits are 1291 01:05:11,599 --> 01:05:15,680 not the same thing. Um, the water rights 1292 01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:18,480 are the legal foundation where credits 1293 01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:23,599 are how we track and apply them. So, you 1294 01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:25,599 don't really need to be an expert on 1295 01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:28,240 water in order to understand the 1296 01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:29,520 difference between water rights and 1297 01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,400 credits. Um, you just kind of need to 1298 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,160 understand how it affects your 1299 01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,880 decisions. 1300 01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:38,720 Go ahead. 1301 01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:42,720 Um this is our Grantsville City Water 1302 01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:45,039 Bank. 1303 01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:46,799 >> Amazing. 1304 01:05:46,799 --> 01:05:49,200 >> So banking water. Um the rights can be 1305 01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,079 banked with Grantsville City. Uh when 1306 01:05:52,079 --> 01:05:53,280 someone wants to bank their water 1307 01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:54,880 rights, they just need to file an 1308 01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,440 application with the city recorder and 1309 01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,039 then I will send it to our water 1310 01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:01,680 attorney, Jeff Gitens, and uh he will go 1311 01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,400 through and verify that those rights are 1312 01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,799 actually usable water uh within 1313 01:06:06,799 --> 01:06:08,960 Grantsville City. Um they don't have any 1314 01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:10,960 leans against them and things like that, 1315 01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,680 you know, because it is property, right? 1316 01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:16,880 So, um once our once he gives me the 1317 01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:20,799 okay, which can take a few months, um I 1318 01:06:20,799 --> 01:06:23,200 go ahead and document those credits on a 1319 01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,520 spreadsheet with the owner and water 1320 01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,160 right number and the change application 1321 01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:29,839 number which is provided by the state 1322 01:06:29,839 --> 01:06:32,160 engineer um after the water rights have 1323 01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:35,440 been turned credits. So, and also how 1324 01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:37,920 many credits they have banked. 1325 01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:40,720 Go ahead. 1326 01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,119 Um, so this is how our water banking 1327 01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:46,960 works. Uh, I go I set up this ledger 1328 01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:50,799 that's on the left there. Um, as you can 1329 01:06:50,799 --> 01:06:52,720 kind of see it, I made it small on 1330 01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:57,599 purpose, but uh, I just put us and I put 1331 01:06:57,599 --> 01:07:01,920 the U developer or seller, assigner, 1332 01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,240 whoever. And then I can go back and 1333 01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,280 forth on who is dedicating and assigning 1334 01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:11,039 what credits and how many to who. 1335 01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:12,400 Go ahead. 1336 01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:13,440 >> So go back. 1337 01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:14,400 >> Go ahead. Back. 1338 01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:18,079 >> Anytime uh developer assigns water to a 1339 01:07:18,079 --> 01:07:20,400 development, they would assign it to 1340 01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,880 that area and then we finally dedicate 1341 01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:24,640 it to that project and then once they 1342 01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,240 dedicate it, there's they don't have it 1343 01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,039 anymore. It's officially been 1344 01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:29,760 >> cities. 1345 01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,079 >> Yep. So, and I'm going to go over that. 1346 01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:34,640 >> Okay. So, thanks for bringing that up. 1347 01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:36,880 >> But yes, those two sheets are how you 1348 01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:38,799 assign and how the owner would assign 1349 01:07:38,799 --> 01:07:40,720 and dedicate water and those have to 1350 01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:44,880 come to me as well. So, I've put this 1351 01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:50,000 false scenario up here um that 1352 01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,319 so let's just say that High Pineon 1353 01:07:52,319 --> 01:07:54,240 Holdings comes in and these are all fake 1354 01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,400 companies, okay? Pineon Holdings comes 1355 01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,359 in and they bank 200 credits with us. 1356 01:07:59,359 --> 01:08:01,839 Um, so that's their balance. And then 1357 01:08:01,839 --> 01:08:04,079 they sell some, that's the assignment, 1358 01:08:04,079 --> 01:08:06,559 they sell some to Dusty Spur for 150 1359 01:08:06,559 --> 01:08:09,599 credits. And so their balance is now 50. 1360 01:08:09,599 --> 01:08:11,280 And then they come in and say Broken 1361 01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,920 Saddle, they sold some to them, 30 of 1362 01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:15,440 them to them. So now their balance is 1363 01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:18,159 20. And then they sold 20 to Coyote 1364 01:08:18,159 --> 01:08:21,440 Creek. Now their balance is zero. And 1365 01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:23,199 then they sold it to Last Chance 1366 01:08:23,199 --> 01:08:26,400 Outfitters. And now they're negative 50. 1367 01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:31,679 Right? So, um once 1368 01:08:31,679 --> 01:08:34,640 uh sorry if that ever happens, which you 1369 01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:36,400 know 1370 01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:39,440 it won't, but anyway, this is a a reason 1371 01:08:39,440 --> 01:08:41,759 that we need to be super accurate in our 1372 01:08:41,759 --> 01:08:46,640 records on this and um make sure that 1373 01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:49,120 everything that actually exists exists, 1374 01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,359 right? Um, I've been working really 1375 01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:53,440 closely with our water attorney in order 1376 01:08:53,440 --> 01:08:56,080 to, um, you know, make sure that we have 1377 01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:58,480 everything, do a complete and full audit 1378 01:08:58,480 --> 01:09:00,640 of our water credits, 1379 01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:02,640 um, and take a deeper look at how 1380 01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,239 they're tracked and, you know, make sure 1381 01:09:04,239 --> 01:09:06,960 everything's good. What we have found is 1382 01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:08,319 that there are different ways to track 1383 01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:12,159 these um, and I'm working to align our 1384 01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:14,719 records with the approach that Jeff 1385 01:09:14,719 --> 01:09:19,040 recommends. So, um, and like I said, I'm 1386 01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,040 conducting a full audit of our water 1387 01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,520 credits and the ledgers to ensure that 1388 01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,799 everything is fully documented and, um, 1389 01:09:26,799 --> 01:09:30,159 that way when decisions are made, we are 1390 01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:33,520 making them from, you know, defensible 1391 01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,920 and accurate information. 1392 01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:37,600 So, I know it's been a big topic 1393 01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,000 recently in Grantsville City and 1394 01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,960 understandably so, but um this is 1395 01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,759 exactly why we have those those tracking 1396 01:09:45,759 --> 01:09:48,159 and uh those verification numbers. 1397 01:09:48,159 --> 01:09:49,199 >> Alicia, yes. If 1398 01:09:49,199 --> 01:09:51,359 >> this situation were to happen, it would 1399 01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:54,080 be responsible for the negative 50. 1400 01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,640 >> Um it would actually be the person that 1401 01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:01,280 sold the 50, you know. So, and that's 1402 01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,040 that we do leave back. I don't get in 1403 01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:05,440 the middle of transactions like that. I 1404 01:10:05,440 --> 01:10:06,960 need to have those papers, those 1405 01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,679 assignments, and those dedications. Um, 1406 01:10:09,679 --> 01:10:14,080 but if I don't have that paper, it's not 1407 01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:16,080 I can't defend anybody. So, 1408 01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:17,520 >> so High Pine Noon would need to either 1409 01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,120 need to come up with 50 or they would 1410 01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:21,600 need to refund that money, that 1411 01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,000 transaction to Last Chance app. 1412 01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:27,440 >> Exactly. Yep. What would happen if um 1413 01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:30,320 they sold all these and there, you know, 1414 01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:33,040 it hasn't been realized that there's a 1415 01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:35,760 that they're 50 in the negative and last 1416 01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,239 chance was the last chance has the last 1417 01:10:38,239 --> 01:10:40,640 chance to use them. But let's say they 1418 01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,199 use theirs before Coyote Creek and then 1419 01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:46,640 Coyote Creek now can't put them on a 1420 01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:48,640 project. I mean, that's just something 1421 01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,640 you just stay completely out of. Um, 1422 01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,520 actually, so what would happen is if 1423 01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:55,360 Coyote Creek would technically be the 1424 01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,480 last one because once I once I assigned 1425 01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:00,719 those and they were at zero, those would 1426 01:11:00,719 --> 01:11:03,760 be my papers that I have. And so, uh, 1427 01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:05,360 the assignment of water credits paper 1428 01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:07,520 and so I would know on my ledgers that 1429 01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:08,560 it would be at zero. 1430 01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:10,320 >> Okay? And then if somebody else came in 1431 01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,560 with another assignment of credits for 1432 01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,400 this or this last chance outfitters 1433 01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,400 would came in with another 50 then I 1434 01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:19,440 would say sorry 1435 01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:21,440 >> you know you need to go back to whoever 1436 01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:24,159 sold these to you because these weren't 1437 01:11:24,159 --> 01:11:26,159 >> we do encourage people to reach out to 1438 01:11:26,159 --> 01:11:27,679 verify the credits 1439 01:11:27,679 --> 01:11:32,239 >> 100%. Yep. So anytime there they're um 1440 01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:36,080 yeah exactly said so um but this is a 1441 01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:38,640 good example of why tracking and 1442 01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,560 documentation matter in all of this not 1443 01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,120 just for water but across everything 1444 01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:46,320 that we do which is going to bring me to 1445 01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:51,120 my next topic. Go ahead 1446 01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,000 governance. 1447 01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:57,760 Uh, go ahead and click. So, city 1448 01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:02,310 recorders. 1449 01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,480 Um, nobody really knows what we do until 1450 01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:07,840 we don't do it. Got 1451 01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:09,360 >> ahead. 1452 01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:11,280 So, city recorders are responsible for 1453 01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:13,760 meetings, ordinances, and resolutions, 1454 01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:16,640 city records, notices, elections, 1455 01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:19,440 compliance, annexations. 1456 01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:21,440 Pretty much 1457 01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:23,440 we're a catch-all. 1458 01:12:23,440 --> 01:12:27,360 Um, a lot of stuff goes through through 1459 01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:30,080 us. We have to keep those records and 1460 01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:31,840 we're in the city's business. That's 1461 01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:35,520 what we do. So, go ahead. 1462 01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:37,920 So, we're going to go ahead and do our 1463 01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:41,120 required annual open and public meetings 1464 01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:44,000 act training because this is required 1465 01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:48,719 and um every year and so and this one is 1466 01:12:48,719 --> 01:12:52,400 the states um training. 1467 01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,520 So, it kind of goes really fast. I did 1468 01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:57,360 not do the video, okay? Don't pay me 1469 01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:00,000 credit there. Um, but anyway, it goes 1470 01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:01,760 really fast. It is 9 minutes long, but 1471 01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:03,280 you're going to want to pay attention 1472 01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:07,270 because 1473 01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:11,040 » it is part of your school. So, go ahead. 1474 01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,920 >> And then this Oh, did it not show up? 1475 01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:15,040 Oh, no. 1476 01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:16,000 >> I'm sorry. 1477 01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,320 >> It's okay. Did it? Oh, there. It's like 1478 01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:19,840 It's kind of weird. You might have to go 1479 01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,880 out of presenter train or like presenter 1480 01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:26,239 view. Oh, hold on. Hold on. See if you 1481 01:13:26,239 --> 01:13:28,960 can. It should be a link. Yeah, go right 1482 01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,360 there. 1483 01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:32,640 It should just start right up. 1484 01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:36,790 Hopefully. 1485 01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,760 there's sound. Hold on. 1486 01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:45,430 Oh, it's muted. Oh, 1487 01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:46,960 this is the one thing I didn't need to 1488 01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:49,199 check before. 1489 01:13:49,199 --> 01:13:57,990 Maybe it's because I'm muted on this. 1490 01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,000 » It goes really fast. 1491 01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:01,120 >> Are you guys getting all this? 1492 01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:02,000 >> Yeah. 1493 01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:03,840 >> What? That's only once. 1494 01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:10,070 >> So, sorry. This one's like 1495 01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:13,920 husband. I need a new computer. 1496 01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:15,840 There we go. Okay. global government 1497 01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:21,990 statements. 1498 01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:23,679 » I'm not going to sit here for my 1499 01:14:23,679 --> 01:14:25,520 >> So, what is the open and public meetings 1500 01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:27,440 act? It's the state law that ensures 1501 01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:29,199 government actions and deliberations are 1502 01:14:29,199 --> 01:14:31,760 openly conducted. Before we continue, 1503 01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:33,360 keep in mind that this video is an 1504 01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:35,360 overview. An exception may exist based 1505 01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:38,000 on your right. We focus on local 1506 01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,320 government, not state environments. When 1507 01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:42,159 in doubt, read the law and consult with 1508 01:14:42,159 --> 01:14:44,640 your legal counsel. So what's considered 1509 01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,120 an open and public meeting? It's when a 1510 01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:49,360 public body quum, also known as a simple 1511 01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:51,920 majority, needs to discuss or act upon 1512 01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:53,920 government business. It includes the 1513 01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:55,520 meetings sometimes referred to as 1514 01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,719 workshops or executive sessions. Regular 1515 01:14:58,719 --> 01:15:00,719 meetings, public hearings, electronic 1516 01:15:00,719 --> 01:15:02,719 meetings, and emergency meetings are all 1517 01:15:02,719 --> 01:15:05,040 open and public meetings. Open and 1518 01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:07,120 public meetings don't include chairs or 1519 01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:09,840 social. A public hearing is a type of 1520 01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:11,760 open public meeting where citizens have 1521 01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,320 the reasonable opportunity to speak. 1522 01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:16,080 Public hearings happen when a government 1523 01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:18,320 adopts a budget, imposes or increases 1524 01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:20,640 taxes or fees or transfers of money from 1525 01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,360 an enterprise fund. These meetings have 1526 01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:25,280 extra notice of posting requirements and 1527 01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:27,280 won't be addressed in this video. An 1528 01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:29,280 electronic meeting is a type of open and 1529 01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:30,400 public meeting that's been made 1530 01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:32,560 electronically such as via phone or the 1531 01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:35,040 internet. Remember the governing body 1532 01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:36,719 must adopt a resolution, rule or 1533 01:15:36,719 --> 01:15:38,400 ordinance allowing ungoverning 1534 01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:40,800 electronic meetings. Adds additional 1535 01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:43,199 requirements too. An emergency meeting 1536 01:15:43,199 --> 01:15:44,960 may be held to discuss an urgent matter 1537 01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,440 due to unforeseen circumstances. In 1538 01:15:47,440 --> 01:15:49,199 order to hold the meeting, the best 1539 01:15:49,199 --> 01:15:50,880 notice that's feasible is provided of 1540 01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:52,880 the design, location, and topics to be 1541 01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,120 considered. An attempt is made to 1542 01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:57,840 contact all governing body members, and 1543 01:15:57,840 --> 01:15:59,760 the governing body majority approves the 1544 01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,159 meeting. An open and public meeting may 1545 01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:04,719 be closed to discuss any of the bonds, a 1546 01:16:04,719 --> 01:16:06,320 person's character, competence or 1547 01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:08,400 health, collective bargaining, 1548 01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:10,080 litigation, 1549 01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:12,159 certain real property transactions, 1550 01:16:12,159 --> 01:16:14,480 including any form of a water right or 1551 01:16:14,480 --> 01:16:17,440 water shares with specific restrictions, 1552 01:16:17,440 --> 01:16:19,679 security personnel, devices or system 1553 01:16:19,679 --> 01:16:22,239 deployment, investigations of criminal 1554 01:16:22,239 --> 01:16:25,360 misconduct, and private or protected 1555 01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:27,120 information for the Utah Procurement 1556 01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:30,239 Code, including trade secrets. A closed 1557 01:16:30,239 --> 01:16:32,400 meeting may be held only if a quorum is 1558 01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:34,159 present and the meeting was properly 1559 01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:35,920 noticed. 1560 01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:37,760 Twothirds of the governing body present 1561 01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:39,760 at the meeting need to vote yeah closed 1562 01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:43,520 meeting. Quick math lesson 2 / 3als 1563 01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:45,679 66.7%. 1564 01:16:45,679 --> 01:16:47,840 Let's say your governing body has five 1565 01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,159 members present at the meeting. If three 1566 01:16:50,159 --> 01:16:51,920 out of five members vote yes, that 1567 01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:54,640 equals 60%. Which is not equal or 1568 01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:57,679 greater than 66.7%. 1569 01:16:57,679 --> 01:16:59,840 which means you're one member short and 1570 01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:01,440 would need four out of five members to 1571 01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:04,560 vote yes. During a closed meeting, a 1572 01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:06,880 governing body can't interview someone 1573 01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,120 applying to fill an elected position. 1574 01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:11,199 Discuss filling a midterm vacancy or 1575 01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:13,679 temporary absence. 1576 01:17:13,679 --> 01:17:15,679 Discuss the character, competence, or 1577 01:17:15,679 --> 01:17:17,120 health of the person whose name was 1578 01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:19,040 submitted for consideration to fill a 1579 01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:21,679 midterm vacancy or temporary absence. 1580 01:17:21,679 --> 01:17:23,920 Prove any ordinance, resolution, rule, 1581 01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:27,040 regulation, contract, or appointment. or 1582 01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:28,960 take a vote unless at the vote on a 1583 01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:30,719 motion to end closed portion of the 1584 01:17:30,719 --> 01:17:33,920 meeting and return to an open. 1585 01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:35,520 When a governing body closes the 1586 01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:37,360 meeting, the following must be publicly 1587 01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:38,960 announced and entered into the minutes 1588 01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:40,640 of the open meeting at which the closed 1589 01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:42,800 meeting was approved, the reasonable 1590 01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:44,880 reasons for holding the closed meeting, 1591 01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:46,480 the location where the closed meeting 1592 01:17:46,480 --> 01:17:48,719 will be held, and the vote of each 1593 01:17:48,719 --> 01:17:50,640 member of the governing body either for 1594 01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:52,320 or against the motion to close the 1595 01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:54,719 meeting. If a closed meeting is 1596 01:17:54,719 --> 01:17:56,239 discussing a person's character, 1597 01:17:56,239 --> 01:17:59,520 confidence or health or security 1598 01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:02,080 personnel device or system of employment 1599 01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:04,159 or several other exceptions mostly 1600 01:18:04,159 --> 01:18:06,000 related to state bodies or project 1601 01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,400 entities, no recording or minutes are 1602 01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:10,880 required. However, the presiding member 1603 01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:12,719 needs to sign a sworn written statement 1604 01:18:12,719 --> 01:18:15,040 stating such. If the closed meeting is 1605 01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:17,120 held for any other reason, a recording 1606 01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:19,840 must be made which includes date, time 1607 01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:21,920 and place of the meeting, names of 1608 01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:24,880 members present and absent, and names of 1609 01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:27,199 all others except where disclosure would 1610 01:18:27,199 --> 01:18:28,960 infringe on the confidentiality 1611 01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:30,640 necessary to fulfill the original 1612 01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,360 purpose of closing the meeting. 1613 01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:35,679 Regular open and public meetings require 1614 01:18:35,679 --> 01:18:38,320 24 hours notice. The public notice 1615 01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:41,440 includes the meeting agenda, date, time, 1616 01:18:41,440 --> 01:18:44,239 and place. Public meeting agendas need 1617 01:18:44,239 --> 01:18:46,640 to include reasonable specified topics 1618 01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:49,040 to be considered with each topic listed 1619 01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:50,880 under a separate agenda item on the 1620 01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:53,679 meeting agenda. The governing body may 1621 01:18:53,679 --> 01:18:56,320 not consider a topic open that wasn't on 1622 01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:58,080 the agenda. 1623 01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,159 >> If a new topic not on the agenda is 1624 01:19:00,159 --> 01:19:01,760 raised by the public during an open 1625 01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:02,719 meeting, 1626 01:19:02,719 --> 01:19:04,320 >> the governing body may discuss the 1627 01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:05,280 topic. 1628 01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:07,600 >> However, final action may not be taken 1629 01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:10,320 over the topic during that meeting. H. 1630 01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:12,239 Additionally, entities holding regular 1631 01:19:12,239 --> 01:19:14,080 meetings scheduled in advance over the 1632 01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:16,239 course of the year need to provide 1633 01:19:16,239 --> 01:19:17,920 annual notice of the entire year's 1634 01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,000 meeting schedule. The notice must 1635 01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,640 include date, time, and place for each 1636 01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:25,600 meeting. Notice posted on the public 1637 01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:28,080 body's website in a public location such 1638 01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:29,760 as the location where the meeting will 1639 01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:32,320 held and on Utah's public notice website 1640 01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:37,830 in accordance to Utah code 63G-30-102. 1641 01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:39,840 Typically, posting on the public notice 1642 01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,239 website is done by the records officer, 1643 01:19:42,239 --> 01:19:44,960 recorder, or clerk. However, it's the 1644 01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:46,480 governing body's responsibility to 1645 01:19:46,480 --> 01:19:49,120 ensure notice is provided. State 1646 01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:51,040 archives has prepared a training manual, 1647 01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:52,960 quick guide for owners of posters, as 1648 01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:54,400 well as training videos that can be 1649 01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:59,590 accessed at their website archives.gov. 1650 01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:01,520 Written minutes and a recording are kept 1651 01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,480 of all open meetings with viewers. 1652 01:20:04,480 --> 01:20:06,800 Written minutes include the date, time 1653 01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:08,719 and place of the meeting, the names of 1654 01:20:08,719 --> 01:20:10,640 members present and absent, the 1655 01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:12,719 substance of all matters, names of 1656 01:20:12,719 --> 01:20:15,040 citizens providing comments, substance 1657 01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,360 of the comments provided, any 1658 01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:19,280 information a body member request to be 1659 01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,760 entered into the minutes or 1660 01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:23,920 a record by individual member of each 1661 01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:25,440 vote. 1662 01:20:25,440 --> 01:20:27,440 A body with elected members must record 1663 01:20:27,440 --> 01:20:30,480 each vote in list format by category for 1664 01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:32,800 each action taken by a member, including 1665 01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,040 yes votes, no votes, and absent members 1666 01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,679 next to each member's name. 1667 01:20:37,679 --> 01:20:39,600 A recording must be a complete and 1668 01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:42,239 unedited record of all open portions of 1669 01:20:42,239 --> 01:20:44,480 the meeting from beginning to end and be 1670 01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:48,000 labeled with the meeting date, time. 1671 01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,000 All or any part of an open meeting may 1672 01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,080 be independently recorded by any person 1673 01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:54,239 in attendance if the recording does not 1674 01:20:54,239 --> 01:20:57,199 interfere with conduct of meeting. 1675 01:20:57,199 --> 01:20:59,199 Pending minutes means written minutes of 1676 01:20:59,199 --> 01:21:01,520 an open meeting draft or subject to 1677 01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:03,600 change or being approved by the public 1678 01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:06,400 body of the open meeting. Pending 1679 01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:08,560 minutes must contain a clear indication 1680 01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:11,120 such as a draft or pending water that 1681 01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:12,880 the governing body hasn't yet approved 1682 01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:14,400 the minutes and that the minutes are 1683 01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:16,239 subject to change until the public body 1684 01:21:16,239 --> 01:21:19,679 approves them. Approved minutes of an 1685 01:21:19,679 --> 01:21:21,679 open meeting approved by the public body 1686 01:21:21,679 --> 01:21:24,000 that held the open meeting. Entities 1687 01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:25,760 must establish and implement procedures 1688 01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:27,360 for the public body's approval of 1689 01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:28,880 written. 1690 01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,280 Public meeting pending minutes and 1691 01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:33,040 recordings of public records on their 1692 01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:34,640 ground. 1693 01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:36,560 Any individual publicly presents 1694 01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:38,480 information relating to an item on 1695 01:21:38,480 --> 01:21:40,320 public body's meeting agenda must 1696 01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:42,159 provide a copy of the information for 1697 01:21:42,159 --> 01:21:45,120 inclusion public record. Make pending 1698 01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:46,880 minutes available to the public within 1699 01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:50,159 30 days within three business days after 1700 01:21:50,159 --> 01:21:51,840 approving great minutes of an opening 1701 01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:53,520 meeting. make approved minutes and any 1702 01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:56,480 public materials available at the Utah 1703 01:21:56,480 --> 01:21:58,639 public notice website, the entity's 1704 01:21:58,639 --> 01:22:02,080 primary office and the entity's website. 1705 01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:03,920 Within three business days after holding 1706 01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:06,239 an open meeting, make an audio recording 1707 01:22:06,239 --> 01:22:08,159 the open meeting available to the public 1708 01:22:08,159 --> 01:22:12,870 for listening. 1709 01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:20,629 get all that 1710 01:22:20,639 --> 01:22:24,080 » and then just hit. 1711 01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:26,480 Perfect. 1712 01:22:26,480 --> 01:22:29,510 Excellent. 1713 01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,440 Okay. So, that brings us to public 1714 01:22:31,440 --> 01:22:33,679 notices and agendas. 1715 01:22:33,679 --> 01:22:35,760 Okay. 1716 01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:39,040 So, um, notice, 1717 01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:41,600 sorry, notice is what your makes your 1718 01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,880 decisions valid. Okay? It isn't just a 1719 01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:46,800 legal requirement. It's how the public 1720 01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:49,280 knows what you're doing and has the 1721 01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,840 opportunity to participate. Typical 1722 01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:53,360 meetings, special meetings, quorum of 1723 01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:55,360 council, planning commission, present. 1724 01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:57,760 Like video said, it's 24-hour notice. 1725 01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:02,000 >> Can I ask a question on that, Alicia? It talked about an emergency meeting, 1726 01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,960 >> but it still has to be 24 hours, right? 1727 01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,280 Um, emergency meetings are kind of 1728 01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:08,320 different. 1729 01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:08,719 >> Okay. 1730 01:23:08,719 --> 01:23:12,480 >> Um, that is more I've never had to do an 1731 01:23:12,480 --> 01:23:15,920 emergency meeting. Um, 1732 01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,719 I think that you can just I think you 1733 01:23:18,719 --> 01:23:20,960 can call them and then I have to like 1734 01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:23,679 try to make sure that I text or call 1735 01:23:23,679 --> 01:23:26,800 every one of you guys to make sure and 1736 01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:28,480 or I I can't remember all the rules 1737 01:23:28,480 --> 01:23:28,960 right now. 1738 01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:29,679 >> Three hours. 1739 01:23:29,679 --> 01:23:32,320 >> Thank you. So um three hours notice is 1740 01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:34,000 the is the requirement for an emergency 1741 01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:36,159 meeting. The reason for the emergency 1742 01:23:36,159 --> 01:23:39,120 has to be stated on a record and you 1743 01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:41,840 know it should be done very rare. Right. 1744 01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:42,960 It's very rare like 1745 01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:44,960 >> so can you have an emergency closed 1746 01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:46,400 meeting 1747 01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:49,120 >> or can if it's that bad. 1748 01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:50,400 >> Okay. 1749 01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:53,520 >> But 24 hours would probably be best if 1750 01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:54,080 you can. 1751 01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:55,120 >> Right. All right. 1752 01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:57,600 >> Yeah. Thanks. 1753 01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:58,800 >> The more notice the better. 1754 01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:01,199 >> Yes. Absolutely. 1755 01:24:01,199 --> 01:24:04,400 Um, so the agendas have to include the 1756 01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:07,280 date, time, location, and uh obviously 1757 01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:10,639 they're the agenda. So, but on the case 1758 01:24:10,639 --> 01:24:13,199 of like a site visit or a ribbon cutting 1759 01:24:13,199 --> 01:24:14,719 or something where we know a quorum is 1760 01:24:14,719 --> 01:24:15,840 going to be there, we're not going to 1761 01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,800 have an agenda. So, um, the agenda items 1762 01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:21,600 must be reasonably specific. And um when 1763 01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:23,920 we get into land use like approving 1764 01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:26,000 development, zoning, land use code, like 1765 01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:27,840 Tyson mentioned, it gets a little bit 1766 01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,719 more complex and tricky on the noticing 1767 01:24:30,719 --> 01:24:33,040 um it might require mailing that goes 1768 01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:35,600 out to the affected entities. It might 1769 01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:37,600 require mailings to be to go to the 1770 01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:40,159 property owners within 500 ft of the 1771 01:24:40,159 --> 01:24:43,440 affected change. And um typically it's a 1772 01:24:43,440 --> 01:24:46,159 10-day public notice. And those mailings 1773 01:24:46,159 --> 01:24:50,159 have to be postmarked before like on or 1774 01:24:50,159 --> 01:24:52,400 before that 10th day. So, and it is 1775 01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:55,600 calendar based. Um, and there also might 1776 01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:57,520 be very very specific language that you 1777 01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:59,520 need to include in the notice uh when 1778 01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:01,440 you're doing the 1779 01:25:01,440 --> 01:25:03,360 uh budget amendment, amendments, truth 1780 01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:05,679 and taxation noticing, those types of 1781 01:25:05,679 --> 01:25:07,440 things. Um, they all have various 1782 01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:09,679 timelines. Sometimes it's a 7-day truth 1783 01:25:09,679 --> 01:25:12,320 and taxation is a little different. I 1784 01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,080 mean, it has all sorts of timelines in 1785 01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:15,040 there. 1786 01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:17,360 um annexation notices, things like that. 1787 01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,600 You know, once you get one thing done, 1788 01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:21,679 it starts the ball rolling. So, you 1789 01:25:21,679 --> 01:25:22,719 don't really have And same with 1790 01:25:22,719 --> 01:25:26,239 referendums. Um it gets the ball rolling 1791 01:25:26,239 --> 01:25:29,199 and so you can't really, you know, 1792 01:25:29,199 --> 01:25:31,040 pinpoint days until one thing happens 1793 01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:34,239 and then the next thing happens next. 1794 01:25:34,239 --> 01:25:37,760 Um where we tend to see issues is when 1795 01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:40,239 noticing isn't enough 1796 01:25:40,239 --> 01:25:42,880 or specific enough. So, an agenda might 1797 01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:46,320 say like general information or general 1798 01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:49,199 business and that's not going to hold up 1799 01:25:49,199 --> 01:25:51,920 if you take action on something specific 1800 01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:55,760 or um if it's not listed in the agenda. 1801 01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:58,560 So, if it's not noticed, it shouldn't be 1802 01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,199 acted on. We can discuss it, just don't 1803 01:26:01,199 --> 01:26:04,400 act on it, right? 1804 01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:09,830 Okay. So, 1805 01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:12,080 grandma 1806 01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:12,960 She's so cute. 1807 01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:16,950 >> She's so cute. 1808 01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:19,120 » So, grandma stands for the Government 1809 01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:22,320 Records Access and Management Act. the 1810 01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:24,800 right. Uh what this means is it gives 1811 01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:26,880 the right of the public to access 1812 01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:29,760 certain government records and it 1813 01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,560 ensures accountability and transparency 1814 01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:34,080 with 1815 01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:39,440 um government entities and um it also 1816 01:26:39,440 --> 01:26:41,280 ensures the maintenance of the public 1817 01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:47,510 records which is a retention schedule. 1818 01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:50,880 So these are common examples of records 1819 01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:53,280 any communication 1820 01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:57,440 emails city and personal if it includes 1821 01:26:57,440 --> 01:27:00,560 city business that's the difference text 1822 01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:03,760 messages if it includes city business um 1823 01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:07,360 messaging apps like teams slack um you 1824 01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:09,440 know those types of things if it 1825 01:27:09,440 --> 01:27:12,480 includes city business 1826 01:27:12,480 --> 01:27:16,480 like that I'm talking all city business 1827 01:27:16,480 --> 01:27:18,960 um written created content, meeting 1828 01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:21,600 minutes, notes, even handwritten notes, 1829 01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:23,679 but we'll talk about that in a second. 1830 01:27:23,679 --> 01:27:27,040 draft documents, uh, spreadsheets, 1831 01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:30,719 reports, those are kind of, you know, 1832 01:27:30,719 --> 01:27:33,679 obvious digital social media. You were 1833 01:27:33,679 --> 01:27:35,600 talking about this, Facebook posts or 1834 01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:39,360 comments. If it comes from the official 1835 01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:42,800 government website, it is a record and 1836 01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:44,880 we have to keep it according to 1837 01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:48,000 retention schedules. So that also means 1838 01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:52,159 all comments that get posted to the to 1839 01:27:52,159 --> 01:27:54,400 the entity's Facebook page or social 1840 01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:57,199 media, we have to keep all those too. 1841 01:27:57,199 --> 01:27:59,600 Direct messages, screenshots can be 1842 01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:02,400 website content. Um that's all pretty 1843 01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:05,440 obvious. AI generated content. This is a 1844 01:28:05,440 --> 01:28:07,920 big one that we're starting to get into. 1845 01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:11,760 Um AI summaries of meetings. If you're 1846 01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:15,280 using your AI tool on Zoom or if you're 1847 01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:17,280 if you have a transcription software of 1848 01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:19,520 some sort and you're in a meeting, 1849 01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:22,320 please use it with caution because that 1850 01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:26,480 can be a record and it can be subject to 1851 01:28:26,480 --> 01:28:28,560 a grammar request and I would have to 1852 01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:32,800 produce it. So, um, any sort of close 1853 01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:34,320 meetings, 1854 01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:37,040 um, or one-on- ones or anything like 1855 01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:39,840 that, you might not want to record it on 1856 01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:43,199 your noteaker things. Okay. 1857 01:28:43,199 --> 01:28:46,560 Um, transcripts, drafts, that includes 1858 01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:49,840 using AI tools. Um, basically, if you 1859 01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:52,239 create it or use it for city business, 1860 01:28:52,239 --> 01:28:54,880 it can be a record. 1861 01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:57,440 Um, media and files would include like 1862 01:28:57,440 --> 01:29:00,000 photos, videos, audio recordings, 1863 01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:03,199 attachments. Uh, official records are 1864 01:29:03,199 --> 01:29:05,440 pretty obvious, contracts, permits, 1865 01:29:05,440 --> 01:29:08,080 applications, policies, ordinances, and 1866 01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:12,229 resolutions. Okay. 1867 01:29:12,239 --> 01:29:15,760 Um, less common examples of records 1868 01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:18,239 would be like texting another council 1869 01:29:18,239 --> 01:29:21,120 member about a potential vote, 1870 01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:22,800 using your personal email for city 1871 01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:25,120 business, AI generated notes or 1872 01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:27,040 summaries, writing notes during a 1873 01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:30,800 meeting. And that one is a little we'll 1874 01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:31,440 get into that. 1875 01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:32,400 >> I don't know if anybody can understand 1876 01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:34,239 my notes. 1877 01:29:34,239 --> 01:29:36,880 >> We'll get into that in just a sec. Okay. 1878 01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:39,600 Retention. So, Grantsville City follows 1879 01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:44,320 the general Utah State ret Utah state 1880 01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:45,920 retention 1881 01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:47,360 schedules for records. I don't know why 1882 01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:49,280 that was so hard to get out. Uh, this 1883 01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:50,639 schedule can be found on the Utah 1884 01:29:50,639 --> 01:29:52,880 Division of Archives and Records 1885 01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:55,040 Services website. This is a screenshot 1886 01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:59,280 of it. Um they all of our records must 1887 01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:00,880 be kept according to retention 1888 01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:04,080 requirements and it does apply to all 1889 01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:06,639 formats, emails, text, social media, 1890 01:30:06,639 --> 01:30:08,159 even notes depending on how they're 1891 01:30:08,159 --> 01:30:12,960 used. Um and the rec record schedule, 1892 01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:15,679 sorry, retention schedule determines how 1893 01:30:15,679 --> 01:30:17,920 long we keep it. So some things are 1894 01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:20,239 permanent forever, some things are 80 1895 01:30:20,239 --> 01:30:23,360 years. A lot of HR records are 80 years. 1896 01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:26,480 Um some things are you know maybe three 1897 01:30:26,480 --> 01:30:29,199 years. So we just have to I always look 1898 01:30:29,199 --> 01:30:32,080 I always just before destroying anything 1899 01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:34,800 or before archiving anything you know I 1900 01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:36,880 just make sure that whatever it is I'm 1901 01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:40,960 on there. Um deleting a record can early 1902 01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:44,400 can obviously create issues. 1903 01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:46,639 Uh where problems happen with this is 1904 01:30:46,639 --> 01:30:49,360 deleting text or emails too soon. not 1905 01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:51,520 realizing that something is a record 1906 01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:53,199 using personal devices without 1907 01:30:53,199 --> 01:30:55,920 understanding the retention um and 1908 01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:57,920 assuming that just because it's informal 1909 01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:00,400 it's not a record. Uh just because 1910 01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:02,239 something is deleted doesn't mean it was 1911 01:31:02,239 --> 01:31:05,120 okay to delete it. We all remember the 1912 01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:09,600 big controversy with a very 1913 01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:12,719 anyway Hillary, 1914 01:31:12,719 --> 01:31:15,920 >> right? We we all remember that deleting 1915 01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:18,480 um deleting something doesn't make it 1916 01:31:18,480 --> 01:31:21,840 disappear. It just creates this. 1917 01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:25,199 So I call myself a recorder hoarder um 1918 01:31:25,199 --> 01:31:27,679 because I keep everything according to 1919 01:31:27,679 --> 01:31:31,510 the retention schedule. 1920 01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:32,560 All right, we're going to go through 1921 01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:36,560 security real quick. Most cyber security 1922 01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:39,600 in incidents don't start with hackers. 1923 01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:42,320 They start with people. Usually, it's 1924 01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:45,040 something simple like clicking or 1925 01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:48,239 opening an attachment to an email. And 1926 01:31:48,239 --> 01:31:50,239 these emails are designed to look 1927 01:31:50,239 --> 01:31:53,360 normal, but um and they're really really 1928 01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:58,880 easy to miss. You have to be really diligent about who you're seeing 1929 01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:00,880 because they can fake a name, but then 1930 01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:03,360 if you hover over the the name, then 1931 01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:04,880 it'll come up with a totally separate 1932 01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:09,199 email. So, I don't know if any of you 1933 01:32:09,199 --> 01:32:11,199 know that, but yeah. 1934 01:32:11,199 --> 01:32:14,159 Um 1935 01:32:14,159 --> 01:32:16,159 where we see problems is when something 1936 01:32:16,159 --> 01:32:19,040 gets clicked without it being verified 1937 01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:21,760 first. So um and most breaches start 1938 01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:25,199 with just a click. Common risks are 1939 01:32:25,199 --> 01:32:28,000 fishing emails, which are those ones 1940 01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:31,840 that you click a link and you know and 1941 01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:34,320 you've got a virus or it wants you to 1942 01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:36,719 buy something or suspicious links or 1943 01:32:36,719 --> 01:32:40,080 attachments. Unknown USB drives or flash 1944 01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:42,159 drives. Please don't put those in your 1945 01:32:42,159 --> 01:32:44,000 computers. 1946 01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:48,000 Uh weak or reused passwords. 1947 01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:49,840 um where problems happen, clicking a 1948 01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:51,760 leak without verifying it, opening 1949 01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:54,320 unexpected attachments, plugging in 1950 01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:56,560 unknown devices, and assuming everything 1951 01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:59,440 just looks fine, so it's fine. Cities 1952 01:32:59,440 --> 01:33:03,120 across Utah have had security breaches 1953 01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:05,120 because of 1954 01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:08,880 something as simple as an email. Um 1955 01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:11,280 Murray City in 2022, they experienced a 1956 01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:13,280 cyber attack that encrypted their 1957 01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:15,520 systems. Their phones and online 1958 01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:17,520 services were disrupted. residents 1959 01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:19,040 couldn't pay their bills or access 1960 01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:20,880 services and the city actually had to 1961 01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:25,360 pay $121,000 in ransom. Your takeaway, 1962 01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:28,000 it's not theoretical. The city literally 1963 01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:31,360 could not function because of one 1964 01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:34,320 probably one little click, right? 1965 01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:37,360 In Clearfield 2021, they hit got hit by 1966 01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:39,840 a ransomware attack. The entire network 1967 01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:42,000 was shut down. Phones, internet, and 1968 01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:44,320 system were offline. Hackers demanded 1969 01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:47,840 millions of dollars. And um they had to 1970 01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:51,040 shut everything down just to contain it. 1971 01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:54,000 Boxelder, they had a major data breach, 1972 01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:57,120 ransomware. Um the systems were locked 1973 01:33:57,120 --> 01:33:59,920 and unusable. Unusable, sorry. FBI and 1974 01:33:59,920 --> 01:34:04,159 state cyber task force were involved. 1975 01:34:04,159 --> 01:34:07,520 Over 80,000 individuals data potentially 1976 01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:11,840 was exposed, including sensitive data. 1977 01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:14,320 Uh reports indicate that millions of 1978 01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:17,600 files were leaked. We don't ever want to 1979 01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:20,880 be in the news for that ever. 1980 01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:22,480 Um 1981 01:34:22,480 --> 01:34:25,920 recently to Eagle Mountain in 2022, they 1982 01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:29,120 got hacked um and had to pay or sorry, 1983 01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:31,760 this was actually an online impersonator 1984 01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:33,840 posting as a vendor working with the 1985 01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:36,159 city on an infrastructure project and it 1986 01:34:36,159 --> 01:34:40,639 ended up costing them $1.13 million. 1987 01:34:40,639 --> 01:34:44,480 So, it's serious and it's happening here 1988 01:34:44,480 --> 01:34:47,040 and it happens to smaller towns. So, 1989 01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:48,400 don't just think it's Salt Lake or 1990 01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:49,520 something that's going to get hacked, 1991 01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:52,880 right? It we have to be diligent. 1992 01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:56,400 Um, where the problems happen 1993 01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:58,800 is uh clicking a link without verifying, 1994 01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:01,120 opening unexpected attachments, plugging 1995 01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:03,360 in unknown devices. I went through these 1996 01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:04,880 a little bit. Assuming something looks 1997 01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:07,520 fine, most bridges start with a simple 1998 01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:11,750 quick Any 1999 01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:16,310 questions coming? 2000 01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:19,120 » Um, I think this is maybe more of an 2001 01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:22,080 administrative type question, but who is 2002 01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:25,760 the the company that takes care of our 2003 01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:28,880 cyber security and 2004 01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:30,080 >> Legion with Dean? 2005 01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:30,800 >> What's that? 2006 01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:33,840 >> Dean right now his company Legion. 2007 01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:36,000 >> Legion. Yeah, that's the IT. 2008 01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:38,320 >> Correct. and they do all of our cyber 2009 01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:41,760 security or he does it himself 2010 01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:44,560 right now. There are other companies if 2011 01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:47,280 we do decide to go and find something 2012 01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:49,760 that has like other teams of like 14 or 2013 01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:50,800 something that have that kind of 2014 01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:53,360 >> I'm just curious just just quickly I'll 2015 01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:56,719 just emails and 2016 01:35:56,719 --> 01:35:59,280 like we get quite a few emails but I 2017 01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:01,040 know there's more emails that we're 2018 01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:04,080 getting in the background and and how 2019 01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:08,159 those emails are determined being 2020 01:36:08,159 --> 01:36:11,199 blocked and being let through. Is there 2021 01:36:11,199 --> 01:36:14,320 some sort of quarantine file out there 2022 01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:17,280 that's that it keeps it in a quarantine 2023 01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:18,960 file? 2024 01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:21,280 >> Yeah, we we use we because we use 2025 01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:23,679 Google, that's what how he's able to use 2026 01:36:23,679 --> 01:36:25,840 quarantine a lot of those and restricts 2027 01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:27,840 some of those files based on the Google 2028 01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:30,560 servers that we have. So because our 2029 01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:32,880 subscription is Google, we can he can 2030 01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:34,719 use that to manipulate and he'll he'll 2031 01:36:34,719 --> 01:36:36,239 have a further explanation further on 2032 01:36:36,239 --> 01:36:39,360 that. As my understanding is because we 2033 01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:41,440 have that subscription, all our city 2034 01:36:41,440 --> 01:36:43,840 emails are from Google, we can use that 2035 01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:49,119 to filter through those um emails and chains. 2036 01:36:49,119 --> 01:36:51,199 >> I always get emails like I've got one 2037 01:36:51,199 --> 01:36:53,360 that says, "This is Mayor Heidi Hammond. 2038 01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:55,280 I need your number ASAP." 2039 01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:56,080 >> Yeah. Really? 2040 01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:57,440 >> And then I have one that said, "Same 2041 01:36:57,440 --> 01:36:59,840 thing with Michael. This is Michael 2042 01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:02,080 Rosair. Send me your numbers. Urgent 2043 01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:03,119 matters." 2044 01:37:03,119 --> 01:37:04,480 >> Believe you better get sending them 2045 01:37:04,480 --> 01:37:06,080 over. 2046 01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:07,280 I'm not I'm not trying to throw anybody 2047 01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:09,040 under the bus, but uh one of my 2048 01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:10,719 co-workers actually got the gift card 2049 01:37:10,719 --> 01:37:11,520 one 2050 01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:13,040 >> from mayor. 2051 01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:14,639 >> Yeah. The one that's been hitting us 2052 01:37:14,639 --> 01:37:17,199 pretty hard is Derek sending emails out 2053 01:37:17,199 --> 01:37:20,239 to planning and zoning asking them to 2054 01:37:20,239 --> 01:37:23,040 make payments to um that 2055 01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:25,760 >> for to the residents 2056 01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:28,560 enough 2057 01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:33,199 >> and it's just a fishing thing because our names are out there knows 2058 01:37:33,199 --> 01:37:34,880 that if you get a letter from 2059 01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:37,440 >> one of the council or city manager 2060 01:37:37,440 --> 01:37:39,199 people are going to inadvertently just 2061 01:37:39,199 --> 01:37:40,719 respond with it if they're not thinking 2062 01:37:40,719 --> 01:37:42,880 about it. I'm g have to start talking 2063 01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:44,159 planning and zoning so I haven't seen a 2064 01:37:44,159 --> 01:37:46,400 dime. 2065 01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:47,920 >> I got one from my firm once and it 2066 01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:49,119 looked like it was from opposing council 2067 01:37:49,119 --> 01:37:50,400 that I had been working with and it said 2068 01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:52,000 click click this link. So now we have 2069 01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:53,600 trainings like the branding training 2070 01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:56,239 don't click the link. 2071 01:37:56,239 --> 01:37:59,040 >> I don't did it after me. So I got 2072 01:37:59,040 --> 01:37:59,840 >> Okay. 2073 01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:00,880 >> Somebody actually went and bought the 2074 01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:02,560 gift cards for our managing parties. 2075 01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:04,560 >> So that one was that one was a little 2076 01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:06,000 bit worse. 2077 01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:07,760 >> But it looked very it looked like a very 2078 01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:09,520 real. It was like hey this is some 2079 01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:10,880 disclosures that I'm sending over. And I 2080 01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:12,080 was like, "Oh, this is attorney I work 2081 01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:13,840 with." Then it actually spammed our 2082 01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:15,679 email and and started sending it out for 2083 01:38:15,679 --> 01:38:18,159 me saying, "Here's some disclosures." 2084 01:38:18,159 --> 01:38:19,040 >> Yeah. 2085 01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:21,520 >> A few years ago, there was it was it was 2086 01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:24,320 a what looked like a Microsoft 2087 01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:26,400 >> and saying, "Hey, you need to you need 2088 01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:28,000 to update your cloud version of 2089 01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:29,520 Microsoft. Click on this." And what it 2090 01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:31,760 allowed is once you went through that, 2091 01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:33,280 it allowed someone to access your 2092 01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:35,600 computer entirely like took full control 2093 01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:36,880 of your computer. Yeah, that's what mine 2094 01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:37,760 my my computer 2095 01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:38,880 >> you thought you were updating your 2096 01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:42,800 password and and and yeah, somebody else 2097 01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:44,480 was accessing your computer. So, 2098 01:38:44,480 --> 01:38:45,760 >> it's just crazy the stuff that they can 2099 01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:46,719 do. It looks very real. 2100 01:38:46,719 --> 01:38:49,520 >> Very real. And with that, I mean, once 2101 01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:52,239 they have that password and if you were 2102 01:38:52,239 --> 01:38:55,040 to use that same password, let's say for 2103 01:38:55,040 --> 01:38:57,360 your banking account and for your 2104 01:38:57,360 --> 01:38:59,360 >> they've now got that too. So, 2105 01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:01,119 >> so anything like that, let's report it 2106 01:39:01,119 --> 01:39:03,600 to Dean and that way we can help 2107 01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:05,119 eliminate and he can start blocking 2108 01:39:05,119 --> 01:39:07,600 those even further. They they already 2109 01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:11,030 are. 2110 01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:12,719 » Any other questions before we get to our 2111 01:39:12,719 --> 01:39:16,390 pop quiz? 2112 01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:20,800 » Okay. Um, we are I can I'm gonna run it 2113 01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:22,080 from here because it'll be a little bit 2114 01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:24,880 easier and we're just going to take like 2115 01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:28,239 10 minutes. Is that okay? 10 minutes. 2116 01:39:28,239 --> 01:39:37,030 Okay, let me start the timer here. 2117 01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:37,280 Uh 2118 01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:39,280 >> oh. 2119 01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:41,040 >> At the request of Heidi, she wanted a 2120 01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:43,280 game in the middle of it. 2121 01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:44,880 >> Say we want to go straight to Final 2122 01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:47,119 Jeopardy. 2123 01:39:47,119 --> 01:39:49,040 >> That's only part of the game I remember. 2124 01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:50,400 >> I think I accidentally just turned the 2125 01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:52,239 TV off, but 2126 01:39:52,239 --> 01:39:54,880 >> Okay. Should we start with Mayor 2127 01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:55,360 question? 2128 01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:56,320 >> That's right. 2129 01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:58,560 >> It's actually Sorry. Thanks for bringing 2130 01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:00,880 that up. I did not do it in the form of 2131 01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:03,280 questions like you know you don't have 2132 01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:06,080 to answer like that because some of 2133 01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:08,880 these are meant to make you think and I 2134 01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:10,639 don't want you stumbling over ah I 2135 01:40:10,639 --> 01:40:13,040 didn't say what is or you know so yeah 2136 01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:14,880 so it's just you can just answer them. 2137 01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:16,239 Okay. 2138 01:40:16,239 --> 01:40:18,159 >> Okay. Mayor. 2139 01:40:18,159 --> 01:40:21,040 >> Oh 2140 01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:25,119 let's go with it depends for 300. 2141 01:40:25,119 --> 01:40:27,280 >> Starting strong. 2142 01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:30,639 Oh, you got a daily double already. 2143 01:40:30,639 --> 01:40:32,880 >> Okay. You can wager up to 500. 2144 01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:33,840 >> 500 is. 2145 01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:35,040 >> Wow. 2146 01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:36,080 >> Make it a true daily. 2147 01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:36,480 >> All right. 2148 01:40:36,480 --> 01:40:38,560 >> That's right. 2149 01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:49,750 >> Can AI be used for meeting notes? 2150 01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:52,080 » I'm going to say 2151 01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:54,080 >> one. Sorry. What was your answer? 2152 01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:56,080 >> No. 2153 01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:58,560 It depends. 2154 01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:00,880 >> Be careful. I was going to say I I 2155 01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:03,199 slapped. It was not my turn. It depends. 2156 01:41:03,199 --> 01:41:04,320 It's risky. 2157 01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:07,600 >> You might find a common theme in that 2158 01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:08,800 category. 2159 01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:09,840 >> Okay. 2160 01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:12,400 >> Are we Is it like she brings it up and 2161 01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:14,800 then we we slap it or 2162 01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:16,400 >> uh not on the daily doubles, but you 2163 01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:18,560 will on the next ones. So, on every 2164 01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:19,360 other one. So, 2165 01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:20,639 >> you're making up the rules, but let's 2166 01:41:20,639 --> 01:41:22,000 go. 2167 01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:23,600 >> No, on the daily double is only the 2168 01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:25,280 person that's answering. Yeah. 2169 01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:25,840 >> I'm sorry. 2170 01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:26,880 I watched 2171 01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:28,800 >> I haven't ever watched 2172 01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:30,080 >> like what am I? 2173 01:41:30,080 --> 01:41:32,560 >> We're in foreign langu. 2174 01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:33,600 >> Um 2175 01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:37,280 >> All right. So, got that wrong. 2176 01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:38,960 >> I know that's sad. Go ahead and go 2177 01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:39,840 again. 2178 01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:43,199 >> Oh, me again. Okay. Let's go with it 2179 01:41:43,199 --> 01:41:44,560 depends for 200. 2180 01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:46,159 >> Okay. 2181 01:41:46,159 --> 01:41:49,679 >> Oh my gosh. I swear these are random. 2182 01:41:49,679 --> 01:41:50,639 >> Wait a second. 2183 01:41:50,639 --> 01:41:51,760 >> Uh 500. 2184 01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:54,480 >> Okay. Got to make it back. 2185 01:41:54,480 --> 01:41:56,800 >> Yeah, you're gonna go big. 2186 01:41:56,800 --> 01:41:59,440 >> Okay. Can members talk? When they say 2187 01:41:59,440 --> 01:42:01,600 members, council members, can they talk 2188 01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:02,719 outside of meetings? 2189 01:42:02,719 --> 01:42:05,199 >> It depends. 2190 01:42:05,199 --> 01:42:06,639 >> Yes. On 2191 01:42:06,639 --> 01:42:08,639 >> it depends how many are talking. It 2192 01:42:08,639 --> 01:42:10,800 depends on if it's city business or 2193 01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:13,440 personal business. Uh that would be my 2194 01:42:13,440 --> 01:42:14,080 answer. 2195 01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:17,440 >> Yep. It depends. If there's no quorum, 2196 01:42:17,440 --> 01:42:19,440 there's no decision- making, then yes, 2197 01:42:19,440 --> 01:42:22,239 you can talk. 2198 01:42:22,239 --> 01:42:25,119 Good job. 2199 01:42:25,119 --> 01:42:27,679 >> You're out of the hole. What's your next 2200 01:42:27,679 --> 01:42:28,080 category? 2201 01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:31,280 >> Uh, let's go with close session reality 2202 01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:32,560 for 400. 2203 01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:35,520 >> All right. The closed session is listed 2204 01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:37,360 on the agenda without specifying the 2205 01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:40,080 reason. Before entering, the council 2206 01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:42,239 member verbally states in the purpose in 2207 01:42:42,239 --> 01:42:44,239 the motion. Verbally states the purpose 2208 01:42:44,239 --> 01:42:46,239 in the motion. Is this sufficient to go 2209 01:42:46,239 --> 01:42:50,470 into a close session? 2210 01:42:50,480 --> 01:42:51,920 Don't wait. Buzz in now. 2211 01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:52,960 >> Yeah, this is a buzz in. 2212 01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:54,239 >> Oh, I was here. 2213 01:42:54,239 --> 01:42:56,320 >> What is No, 2214 01:42:56,320 --> 01:42:59,920 >> you have to have proper notice. 2215 01:42:59,920 --> 01:43:01,199 >> It's on the agenda. 2216 01:43:01,199 --> 01:43:01,840 >> Oh, it's on. 2217 01:43:01,840 --> 01:43:05,199 >> Just not the specified reason. 2218 01:43:05,199 --> 01:43:06,400 >> No, I still say no. 2219 01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:10,080 >> Okay, go my 2220 01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:13,440 >> OPMA requires the reason to be stated in 2221 01:43:13,440 --> 01:43:15,840 the motion. And I hate to admit it, but 2222 01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:17,280 I just learned that when I was doing 2223 01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:19,119 this. So that's like if some if the 2224 01:43:19,119 --> 01:43:20,719 mayor say motion we go into closed 2225 01:43:20,719 --> 01:43:22,639 meeting for 2226 01:43:22,639 --> 01:43:24,880 >> So I would have to say for legal 2227 01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:28,080 >> council or something 2228 01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:29,679 personel discussion or 2229 01:43:29,679 --> 01:43:33,040 >> okay for land 2230 01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:33,840 >> acquisition 2231 01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:35,600 >> land acquisition discussion something 2232 01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:37,360 like that. 2233 01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:38,320 >> All right. 2234 01:43:38,320 --> 01:43:40,159 >> Sorry about that Derek. 2235 01:43:40,159 --> 01:43:42,080 >> That's okay. Derek go again. 2236 01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:45,040 >> Let's do grandma for 300. 2237 01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:46,960 >> All right. 2238 01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:49,280 Deleting a message. No longer a record. 2239 01:43:49,280 --> 01:43:50,239 True or false? 2240 01:43:50,239 --> 01:43:51,920 >> False. Sorry. Go ahead. 2241 01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:53,280 >> That was rat. 2242 01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:55,119 >> Oh, what are we doing? 2243 01:43:55,119 --> 01:43:58,639 >> It it false. It is still a record. Can't 2244 01:43:58,639 --> 01:44:00,480 delete it. 2245 01:44:00,480 --> 01:44:02,639 >> False. You're right. 2246 01:44:02,639 --> 01:44:05,440 >> Good job. Next. Uh, 2247 01:44:05,440 --> 01:44:07,760 >> real real world scenarios for 500. 2248 01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:09,600 >> Okay. 2249 01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:11,840 Council members discuss city business at 2250 01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:14,639 a social event. Is this an issue? Is 2251 01:44:14,639 --> 01:44:16,480 that Jeff? 2252 01:44:16,480 --> 01:44:19,199 Yes, it's an issue. 2253 01:44:19,199 --> 01:44:20,800 >> There you go. 2254 01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:24,159 >> Yes, it is OPMA risk if it's a quorum, 2255 01:44:24,159 --> 01:44:26,960 >> but just one-on-one is fine, right? 2256 01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:29,199 >> Like if you're if there's a quorum, it's 2257 01:44:29,199 --> 01:44:29,440 Yes, 2258 01:44:29,440 --> 01:44:30,320 >> that's real. 2259 01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:32,719 >> Yep. 2260 01:44:32,719 --> 01:44:33,920 >> All right, Jeff, go again. 2261 01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:36,800 >> Call back to it depends 500. 2262 01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:39,040 >> I know the answer. 2263 01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:41,040 Can a council member take a phone call 2264 01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:43,840 from a reporter and answer the questions 2265 01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:45,679 about a matter that will be discussed in 2266 01:44:45,679 --> 01:44:49,199 an upcoming meeting? 2267 01:44:49,199 --> 01:44:52,239 >> That was that was Jake. No, it 2268 01:44:52,239 --> 01:44:54,400 >> was. 2269 01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:55,840 >> Jake, what's your 2270 01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:56,480 >> uh No, 2271 01:44:56,480 --> 01:44:58,480 >> no, 2272 01:44:58,480 --> 01:45:00,239 it depends. 2273 01:45:00,239 --> 01:45:02,080 >> It depends. 2274 01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:03,280 >> Aren't you caught on yet? 2275 01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:03,920 >> I I haven't. 2276 01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:05,760 >> It depends. Could be either way. They 2277 01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:07,199 can share general information but 2278 01:45:07,199 --> 01:45:08,960 probably should avoid committing to a 2279 01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:10,159 position or appearing to decide. 2280 01:45:10,159 --> 01:45:11,760 >> I actually think yes and no is correct. 2281 01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:13,199 I think 2282 01:45:13,199 --> 01:45:16,639 >> it depends. 2283 01:45:16,639 --> 01:45:18,560 >> Sorry, you got that wrong. 2284 01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:20,560 >> All right, Jeff, go again. Or Jake, 2285 01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:21,040 sorry. 2286 01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:23,280 >> Oh, I get to go by making a bad choice. 2287 01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:25,199 >> Yeah, you were the one that 2288 01:45:25,199 --> 01:45:28,239 >> uh let's do notice and agenda pitfalls 2289 01:45:28,239 --> 01:45:28,960 500. 2290 01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:31,040 >> All right. 2291 01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:33,760 >> Emergency is a meeting held without 2292 01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:35,920 notice. What must be documented? I don't 2293 01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:37,040 think we went over this. So, I'll give 2294 01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:39,440 you 2295 01:45:39,440 --> 01:45:40,719 whoever can get this. 2296 01:45:40,719 --> 01:45:41,760 >> I'll get try it. 2297 01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:43,040 >> Okay. 2298 01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:44,719 >> It must be documented. How many people 2299 01:45:44,719 --> 01:45:49,040 are there and who was noticed and the 2300 01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:51,040 time of the meeting to place, all of 2301 01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:52,960 those things, time, place, 2302 01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:55,119 >> the reason for the emergency and the 2303 01:45:55,119 --> 01:45:57,679 minutes. So, I'm going to give you that 2304 01:45:57,679 --> 01:45:58,000 one. 2305 01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:00,239 >> Thanks. You said you would. So, that's 2306 01:46:00,239 --> 01:46:02,960 >> Yep. 2307 01:46:02,960 --> 01:46:04,080 So wait, what would that look like? 2308 01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:05,440 Because you said at least three hours we 2309 01:46:05,440 --> 01:46:06,719 would have to give some kind of notice, 2310 01:46:06,719 --> 01:46:07,520 right? 2311 01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:09,920 >> Yeah. So I would post an agenda, but 2312 01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:12,800 then I there's like certain I can't 2313 01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:14,000 remember. I'll have to look at the code 2314 01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:14,880 and I'll get it to you. 2315 01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:16,560 >> Emergencies happen very 2316 01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:19,520 >> Yeah. Yeah. True emergencies. Um there's 2317 01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:22,080 sometimes that you know you need to 2318 01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:23,119 >> Yeah. Go ahead. 2319 01:46:23,119 --> 01:46:24,560 >> Uh it depends for 2320 01:46:24,560 --> 01:46:26,560 >> Okay. 2321 01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:29,199 This is actually my job. It depends. 2322 01:46:29,199 --> 01:46:31,280 Can you respond to citizens on social 2323 01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:32,480 media? 2324 01:46:32,480 --> 01:46:33,600 >> Who is that? Go. 2325 01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:35,440 >> I need to get out the negative. It 2326 01:46:35,440 --> 01:46:36,639 depends. 2327 01:46:36,639 --> 01:46:40,629 >> Really? 2328 01:46:40,639 --> 01:46:42,719 » It depends. You want to make sure you 2329 01:46:42,719 --> 01:46:45,840 avoid bias and um it does create some 2330 01:46:45,840 --> 01:46:49,199 records issues if you start acting as a 2331 01:46:49,199 --> 01:46:50,000 city 2332 01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:51,119 >> as a voice. 2333 01:46:51,119 --> 01:46:52,000 >> City representative. 2334 01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:54,400 >> Yes. City representative. Yes. 2335 01:46:54,400 --> 01:46:55,360 >> Only if you're talking about city 2336 01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:57,119 issues, right? I get some fight with 2337 01:46:57,119 --> 01:46:59,520 some lady on Facebook about I wouldn't 2338 01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:01,840 do that, but that's not okay. 2339 01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:04,560 >> Yeah. 2340 01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:06,159 >> All right, Derek, go again. 2341 01:47:06,159 --> 01:47:08,719 >> Let's do 2342 01:47:08,719 --> 01:47:11,600 open meeting straps 400. 2343 01:47:11,600 --> 01:47:13,520 >> 400. 2344 01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:15,760 A council member pulls the others 2345 01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:17,840 individually before the meeting and 2346 01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:20,000 that's an issue. Is that right? 2347 01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:22,480 >> Yeah, that is an issue. Not good. You 2348 01:47:22,480 --> 01:47:24,560 shouldn't do that. 2349 01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:28,800 is correct. Circumvented OPMA. 2350 01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:31,679 Good job. What do you want to do? 2351 01:47:31,679 --> 01:47:34,480 >> Um, close session reality for 500. 2352 01:47:34,480 --> 01:47:37,280 >> All right. You notice a council member 2353 01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:39,360 using a transcription software program 2354 01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:41,440 or device clearing during a closed 2355 01:47:41,440 --> 01:47:44,159 session. Is this allowed? 2356 01:47:44,159 --> 01:47:46,159 >> Jeff. 2357 01:47:46,159 --> 01:47:47,280 Jake. Sorry. 2358 01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:47,760 >> Jake, 2359 01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:49,040 >> I say no. 2360 01:47:49,040 --> 01:47:51,280 >> No. 2361 01:47:51,280 --> 01:47:53,840 This creates a disclosable and security 2362 01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:55,840 risk. 2363 01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:57,360 >> And that's the same thing with AI 2364 01:47:57,360 --> 01:48:00,159 readers. Um, AI readers 2365 01:48:00,159 --> 01:48:02,880 push information back into wherever 2366 01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:04,320 source they come from, unless you have 2367 01:48:04,320 --> 01:48:06,000 like an enterprise version. So, anytime 2368 01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:08,400 you're using that, it can be pushing 2369 01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:10,320 that. That's correct. 2370 01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:12,639 >> Bonus points. Good job. 2371 01:48:12,639 --> 01:48:16,000 >> Get me out of the z 2372 01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:18,239 >> I don't want to do it. Depends. Um, 2373 01:48:18,239 --> 01:48:18,880 let's do 2374 01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:20,960 >> it's only 100. I mean, 2375 01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:24,560 >> close close session reality 300. 2376 01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:26,800 >> Council exits close session and 2377 01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:28,960 immediately votes based on that 2378 01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:34,149 discussion. Is this an issue? 2379 01:48:34,159 --> 01:48:35,119 » Is that right? 2380 01:48:35,119 --> 01:48:37,360 >> I say yes. Oh, I would say yes. I don't 2381 01:48:37,360 --> 01:48:38,639 think we can vote on anything from the 2382 01:48:38,639 --> 01:48:41,600 close session. 2383 01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:43,199 You actually 2384 01:48:43,199 --> 01:48:46,480 >> you must vote in an open session, but 2385 01:48:46,480 --> 01:48:48,000 >> we can't vote even if we talked about it 2386 01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:49,360 in a closed session. We could then talk 2387 01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:50,480 about they can vote. 2388 01:48:50,480 --> 01:48:52,639 >> So if you talk about something in a 2389 01:48:52,639 --> 01:48:55,199 closed session and then open it back up 2390 01:48:55,199 --> 01:48:57,280 to public, that's when you can make 2391 01:48:57,280 --> 01:49:00,159 >> But then is the item noticed? 2392 01:49:00,159 --> 01:49:02,719 >> It depends. It should be in it depends 2393 01:49:02,719 --> 01:49:04,400 because I was going to say it depends. 2394 01:49:04,400 --> 01:49:04,880 Yeah. 2395 01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:06,159 >> Is it noticed properly? 2396 01:49:06,159 --> 01:49:08,320 >> Right. Well, being in a closed session 2397 01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:10,080 would Yes. Yeah. Yeah, you're exactly 2398 01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:14,159 right. So, so if you had, you know, 2399 01:49:14,159 --> 01:49:18,080 consideration of resolution D on the 2400 01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:20,000 let's say, 2401 01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:22,320 I don't know what's a good example, 2402 01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:24,719 >> real estate transaction where the close 2403 01:49:24,719 --> 01:49:27,119 session is done to discuss the terms on 2404 01:49:27,119 --> 01:49:28,960 which you're going to make a decision to 2405 01:49:28,960 --> 01:49:31,840 purchase real real property and why it 2406 01:49:31,840 --> 01:49:34,159 would be uh to your disadvantage to 2407 01:49:34,159 --> 01:49:42,400 discuss um the the city's uh position on some of those uh issues of of of 2408 01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:44,719 negotiation, hash all that out in the 2409 01:49:44,719 --> 01:49:46,880 closed session to to discuss all the 2410 01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:48,480 risks involved, go back into the open 2411 01:49:48,480 --> 01:49:50,000 session and say, "Yeah, we we've decided 2412 01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:51,600 we want to make an offer on that on that 2413 01:49:51,600 --> 01:49:52,159 parcel." 2414 01:49:52,159 --> 01:49:53,440 >> Would we have to notice that that will 2415 01:49:53,440 --> 01:49:55,040 be in a closed session? 2416 01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:57,679 >> So, the the discussion of of of the 2417 01:49:57,679 --> 01:49:59,119 purchase of real property would be the 2418 01:49:59,119 --> 01:50:00,400 reason to go into the closed session. 2419 01:50:00,400 --> 01:50:01,600 >> How specific does that have to be? 2420 01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:03,199 >> That would be specific. 2421 01:50:03,199 --> 01:50:04,560 >> Just to say real property, it's real 2422 01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:06,239 property. on the agenda. Instead of 2423 01:50:06,239 --> 01:50:07,760 having usually close session at the 2424 01:50:07,760 --> 01:50:09,360 bottom, we'll have it further up and 2425 01:50:09,360 --> 01:50:11,280 then right after that, we'll have a the 2426 01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:12,080 actual agenda 2427 01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:13,520 >> because real property files under one of 2428 01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:15,040 the categories, we we just say like I 2429 01:50:15,040 --> 01:50:16,480 know we did litigation, so we say 2430 01:50:16,480 --> 01:50:17,280 litigation. 2431 01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:19,679 >> So if uh if we were having a discussion 2432 01:50:19,679 --> 01:50:22,080 on a piece of property, for instance, 2433 01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:24,000 that we're talking about and then it's 2434 01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:25,440 not noticed that we're going to have a 2435 01:50:25,440 --> 01:50:26,960 closed session, but somebody on the 2436 01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:28,560 council says, I really think that we 2437 01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:30,960 need to discuss some things in a close 2438 01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:33,760 session regarding this property. Um, 2439 01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:35,600 then can you go into a closed session? 2440 01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:37,040 It has to be noticed that you're going 2441 01:50:37,040 --> 01:50:38,719 to have a closed session before the 2442 01:50:38,719 --> 01:50:39,760 meeting ever starts. 2443 01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:40,320 >> Yeah. 2444 01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:43,199 >> About that particular item only. 2445 01:50:43,199 --> 01:50:45,440 >> Um, so it doesn't have to say on the 2446 01:50:45,440 --> 01:50:47,440 agenda why you're going into close 2447 01:50:47,440 --> 01:50:50,239 session, which is generally why I just 2448 01:50:50,239 --> 01:50:52,320 list a bunch of reasons because there 2449 01:50:52,320 --> 01:50:53,520 might be multiple reasons. Right. 2450 01:50:53,520 --> 01:50:55,679 >> Right. But then as far as the agenda 2451 01:50:55,679 --> 01:50:58,960 item is concerned, 2452 01:50:58,960 --> 01:51:02,480 >> can you go off agenda item? Sorry, I'm 2453 01:51:02,480 --> 01:51:04,480 confusing this in my mind. I think I 2454 01:51:04,480 --> 01:51:05,760 understand the answer. I'm just not 2455 01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:07,280 going to say it. So, okay. 2456 01:51:07,280 --> 01:51:08,800 >> But wait, I think the training did say 2457 01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:10,320 that one somebody could motion to go 2458 01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:11,600 into a close session, but we couldn't do 2459 01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:12,880 that if it wasn't noticed. 2460 01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:14,159 >> Correct. 2461 01:51:14,159 --> 01:51:17,679 >> Which is why Well, it's why we typically 2462 01:51:17,679 --> 01:51:19,760 have that as a line item 2463 01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:22,800 >> on every but it wouldn't be in the 2464 01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:25,280 proper order. That's what I'm confused 2465 01:51:25,280 --> 01:51:25,760 about. 2466 01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:27,119 >> But you can you can move 2467 01:51:27,119 --> 01:51:29,440 >> move it to this item. Go into make 2468 01:51:29,440 --> 01:51:31,360 everybody leave. Yeah. Then have them 2469 01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:31,760 come back. 2470 01:51:31,760 --> 01:51:33,280 >> Then they can come back. That's where I 2471 01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:35,040 was confused. Okay. Thank you. 2472 01:51:35,040 --> 01:51:35,840 >> Happened before. 2473 01:51:35,840 --> 01:51:36,480 >> Nice. 2474 01:51:36,480 --> 01:51:37,280 >> I remember. 2475 01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:38,560 >> Is that Britney? And you did. 2476 01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:39,360 >> That was me. 2477 01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:41,440 >> Okay. Sorry. 2478 01:51:41,440 --> 01:51:42,880 >> All right. You get to Should we do 2479 01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:44,400 final? That's That's our time. 10 2480 01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:45,440 minutes. Unless you guys want to keep 2481 01:51:45,440 --> 01:51:46,239 going. 2482 01:51:46,239 --> 01:51:46,960 >> One more. 2483 01:51:46,960 --> 01:51:47,520 >> Okay. 2484 01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:48,639 >> I feel like this is actually really 2485 01:51:48,639 --> 01:51:49,040 helpful. 2486 01:51:49,040 --> 01:51:50,159 >> It is. 2487 01:51:50,159 --> 01:51:52,560 >> Thank you. 2488 01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:53,920 >> I learn when I get it wrong. I'm like, 2489 01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:56,320 "Oh, me too." And then you can discuss a 2490 01:51:56,320 --> 01:51:58,560 little bit, right? And like figure out 2491 01:51:58,560 --> 01:52:01,199 things. So, it's it's up to you guys if 2492 01:52:01,199 --> 01:52:02,320 you want to keep going or 2493 01:52:02,320 --> 01:52:03,199 >> let's go a few more. 2494 01:52:03,199 --> 01:52:04,560 >> Okay. Go ahead, Britney. 2495 01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:09,440 >> Oh, excuse me. Um, let's do 2496 01:52:09,440 --> 01:52:11,520 real world scenarios for real world 2497 01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:12,560 scenarios for 400. 2498 01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:14,320 >> Okay. 2499 01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:16,800 Staff sends a draft policy to all 2500 01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:19,040 council members for feedback before the 2501 01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:22,159 meeting. Is this an issue? 2502 01:52:22,159 --> 01:52:22,960 >> Was that you? 2503 01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:29,510 >> I would say yes, that's an issue. Okay. 2504 01:52:29,520 --> 01:52:32,159 It's a potential serial meeting if 2505 01:52:32,159 --> 01:52:35,119 everybody starts responding back sending 2506 01:52:35,119 --> 01:52:39,199 it out then and this is why we BCC is so 2507 01:52:39,199 --> 01:52:41,840 that we don't reply all and then we 2508 01:52:41,840 --> 01:52:43,840 create that serial link. 2509 01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:47,750 >> Yep. Good job. 2510 01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:48,719 » Mayor want to go again. 2511 01:52:48,719 --> 01:52:50,880 >> Yes. Let's go with noticing and agenda 2512 01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:52,239 pitfalls for 400. 2513 01:52:52,239 --> 01:52:55,040 >> Okay. 2514 01:52:55,040 --> 01:52:57,520 item is listed but the final action 2515 01:52:57,520 --> 01:53:00,080 differs significantly. 2516 01:53:00,080 --> 01:53:03,520 Is this an issue? 2517 01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:05,679 >> I'm not going into pen. 2518 01:53:05,679 --> 01:53:07,119 >> So when final action means like whether 2519 01:53:07,119 --> 01:53:08,560 we're going to vote on it or 2520 01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:10,320 >> um final action would be your motion. 2521 01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:15,990 >> Yeah. 2522 01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:17,840 » I'm just go ahead. 2523 01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:21,199 >> I'd say yes. If it's if it's if it 2524 01:53:21,199 --> 01:53:23,440 differs significantly then I think it is 2525 01:53:23,440 --> 01:53:27,030 an issue. Yes. 2526 01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:29,360 » Yes. It is outside the scope of the 2527 01:53:29,360 --> 01:53:31,199 notice. You want to make sure that it's 2528 01:53:31,199 --> 01:53:33,599 reasonably specified on the agenda for 2529 01:53:33,599 --> 01:53:35,119 what you're talking about. 2530 01:53:35,119 --> 01:53:35,840 >> Yeah. 2531 01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:37,440 >> That's why the agenda is so very 2532 01:53:37,440 --> 01:53:38,000 important. 2533 01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:40,000 >> Yes. Exactly. 2534 01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:42,400 >> You're over that. 2535 01:53:42,400 --> 01:53:43,920 >> Oh, it's got business. 2536 01:53:43,920 --> 01:53:45,360 >> Dang. 2537 01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:46,960 >> It depends what 2538 01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:48,960 >> Okay. 2539 01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:53,430 Can a council member 2540 01:53:53,440 --> 01:53:55,360 Was that 2541 01:53:55,360 --> 01:53:56,880 >> Was that you? It was Jeff. 2542 01:53:56,880 --> 01:53:58,320 >> Yeah. Yeah. Because I'm going to say it 2543 01:53:58,320 --> 01:53:59,920 depends. 2544 01:53:59,920 --> 01:54:02,719 >> What does it depend on? 2545 01:54:02,719 --> 01:54:05,599 >> Can a councilman delete emails? Depends 2546 01:54:05,599 --> 01:54:08,880 on if it's official business or not. 2547 01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:10,719 >> If it's just junk, go ahead and delete 2548 01:54:10,719 --> 01:54:11,040 it. 2549 01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:11,679 >> Yeah. 2550 01:54:11,679 --> 01:54:13,360 If it's junk, if it's like spam 2551 01:54:13,360 --> 01:54:16,239 mail, hey, you know, Domino's Pizza 2552 01:54:16,239 --> 01:54:17,440 sometimes, don't worry about those, 2553 01:54:17,440 --> 01:54:19,199 right? You can delete those. But if it's 2554 01:54:19,199 --> 01:54:21,119 official city business, we need to 2555 01:54:21,119 --> 01:54:24,320 follow retention rules. Should 2556 01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:25,760 we do one more and then final or do you 2557 01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:26,320 want to keep going? 2558 01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:27,360 >> Go ahead. Do one more. 2559 01:54:27,360 --> 01:54:29,119 >> Okay. 2560 01:54:29,119 --> 01:54:30,800 >> Game softball, Jeff. 2561 01:54:30,800 --> 01:54:32,400 >> Yeah, 2562 01:54:32,400 --> 01:54:34,560 >> I'm gonna give it to him. 2563 01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:38,080 >> Yeah, he he said it depends. 2564 01:54:38,080 --> 01:54:40,880 >> I I'm I'm gonna go close sessions for 2565 01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:44,400 200 because I'm I'm 100% positive one of 2566 01:54:44,400 --> 01:54:46,239 these is which councilman is not allowed 2567 01:54:46,239 --> 01:54:51,109 to speak in a closed. 2568 01:54:51,119 --> 01:54:54,400 A member discusses an item. Sorry, I was 2569 01:54:54,400 --> 01:54:56,000 going to reword this and I forgot. A 2570 01:54:56,000 --> 01:54:57,760 member discusses an item discussed 2571 01:54:57,760 --> 01:54:59,760 during the close session with their best 2572 01:54:59,760 --> 01:55:01,760 friend and says, "Hey, don't say 2573 01:55:01,760 --> 01:55:04,719 anything to anybody, but is this 2574 01:55:04,719 --> 01:55:05,520 allowed?" 2575 01:55:05,520 --> 01:55:06,719 >> I know that. 2576 01:55:06,719 --> 01:55:10,639 >> Absolutely. 2577 01:55:10,639 --> 01:55:14,480 >> I think they don't say anything. 2578 01:55:14,480 --> 01:55:15,440 >> I'm just kidding. 2579 01:55:15,440 --> 01:55:17,040 >> This is a confident Yeah. 2580 01:55:17,040 --> 01:55:21,669 >> confidentiality violation. 2581 01:55:21,679 --> 01:55:24,159 Derek's gonna get more cash here. 2582 01:55:24,159 --> 01:55:26,400 >> Real world scenarios 300, too. Get one. 2583 01:55:26,400 --> 01:55:28,159 >> I got to get one. 2584 01:55:28,159 --> 01:55:30,960 >> A member posts an opinion on a pending 2585 01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:33,920 land use case on his or her social media 2586 01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:36,480 page. Their personal social media page. 2587 01:55:36,480 --> 01:55:37,920 Is this an issue? 2588 01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:38,639 >> Yes. 2589 01:55:38,639 --> 01:55:39,440 >> Who's banging? 2590 01:55:39,440 --> 01:55:40,239 >> Jake. Jake. Jake. 2591 01:55:40,239 --> 01:55:41,599 >> Jake. 2592 01:55:41,599 --> 01:55:42,639 >> And you said yes. 2593 01:55:42,639 --> 01:55:44,960 >> Yes. 2594 01:55:44,960 --> 01:55:48,320 This puts you at a risk of uh bias or 2595 01:55:48,320 --> 01:55:51,040 perception. So, you kind of may not want 2596 01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:53,760 to do that. 2597 01:55:53,760 --> 01:55:55,119 >> Also puts it out there for all the other 2598 01:55:55,119 --> 01:55:57,360 council members to see as well, right? 2599 01:55:57,360 --> 01:56:00,000 >> Yep. 2600 01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:03,840 >> Eliminates a proprietary 2601 01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:07,589 >> between 2602 01:56:07,599 --> 01:56:09,040 grammar reality 500. 2603 01:56:09,040 --> 01:56:11,599 >> All right. The big bucks. What 2604 01:56:11,599 --> 01:56:13,360 determines if something is a record, 2605 01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:15,360 location or content? We didn't go over 2606 01:56:15,360 --> 01:56:16,560 this. So, 2607 01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:18,800 >> can I say both? 2608 01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:20,159 >> Um, 2609 01:56:20,159 --> 01:56:24,709 >> might be wrong. 2610 01:56:24,719 --> 01:56:26,639 » I say I'd say content. 2611 01:56:26,639 --> 01:56:31,199 >> Content. 2612 01:56:31,199 --> 01:56:36,000 doesn't matter if you're at McDonald's. 2613 01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:41,199 >> So, and you text your friend, it's Yes. 2614 01:56:41,199 --> 01:56:43,040 All right. Should we do final or do you 2615 01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:43,520 want to go more? 2616 01:56:43,520 --> 01:56:48,320 >> I need to risk all of his. 2617 01:56:48,320 --> 01:56:51,199 >> I will. Just kidding. 2618 01:56:51,199 --> 01:56:52,400 >> Do we go more or do you want to do 2619 01:56:52,400 --> 01:56:52,960 final? 2620 01:56:52,960 --> 01:56:54,480 >> Do final. Let's go. 2621 01:56:54,480 --> 01:56:54,719 >> Sorry. 2622 01:56:54,719 --> 01:56:55,920 >> Wait. Can we see the category? Just 2623 01:56:55,920 --> 01:56:56,560 kidding. 2624 01:56:56,560 --> 01:56:58,880 >> Yes, you can. Actually, 2625 01:56:58,880 --> 01:57:00,480 >> all right. The category is cyber 2626 01:57:00,480 --> 01:57:00,800 security. 2627 01:57:00,800 --> 01:57:03,360 >> Oh, I I don't learn the hard. 2628 01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:06,639 >> You might get this. Um, uh, mayor, how 2629 01:57:06,639 --> 01:57:07,840 much do you want to risk? Uh, 2630 01:57:07,840 --> 01:57:10,560 >> 400. Okay. 2631 01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:12,880 Uh, Council Member Butler, we know 2632 01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:14,639 what they're 2633 01:57:14,639 --> 01:57:16,560 >> Don't I get to go last? 2634 01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:17,920 >> Just kidding. You can. 2635 01:57:17,920 --> 01:57:18,800 >> Okay. 2636 01:57:18,800 --> 01:57:20,560 Council member Dalton. 2637 01:57:20,560 --> 01:57:21,920 >> Bend it all. 2638 01:57:21,920 --> 01:57:23,679 >> Okay. 2639 01:57:23,679 --> 01:57:25,199 Uh, Council Member Skinner. 2640 01:57:25,199 --> 01:57:26,320 >> Yes. I bend it all. 2641 01:57:26,320 --> 01:57:29,360 >> Okay. Council member uh 2642 01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:30,239 >> my 200 2643 01:57:30,239 --> 01:57:31,840 >> Thomas. 2644 01:57:31,840 --> 01:57:35,520 >> Um, sending it. 2645 01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:38,639 >> Now, that that was not a clear motion. 2646 01:57:38,639 --> 01:57:40,159 So, 2647 01:57:40,159 --> 01:57:41,679 one I'll bet one 2648 01:57:41,679 --> 01:57:43,199 >> 100. Okay. See this? 2649 01:57:43,199 --> 01:57:44,080 >> No. One dollar. 2650 01:57:44,080 --> 01:57:45,760 >> Oh, one dollar. I don't think I can do 2651 01:57:45,760 --> 01:57:47,840 $150. 2652 01:57:47,840 --> 01:57:49,840 >> It's in increments of 50. 2653 01:57:49,840 --> 01:57:51,760 >> Oh, I'll do I'll do all 300. 2654 01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:54,400 >> Okay. 2655 01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:56,719 >> Uh, Council Member Williams, 2656 01:57:56,719 --> 01:57:58,480 >> just on all of it. 2657 01:57:58,480 --> 01:58:00,239 >> All of it. 2658 01:58:00,239 --> 01:58:04,870 >> That's 350. 2659 01:58:04,880 --> 01:58:07,199 » That's how you calculated that. 2660 01:58:07,199 --> 01:58:08,960 Absolutely. 2661 01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:11,040 >> All right, y'all ready? 2662 01:58:11,040 --> 01:58:13,119 >> That competitive streak is not showing. 2663 01:58:13,119 --> 01:58:15,840 >> What is the most common way that a cyber 2664 01:58:15,840 --> 01:58:17,679 security breach begins in local 2665 01:58:17,679 --> 01:58:19,199 government? 2666 01:58:19,199 --> 01:58:20,320 >> Do we write it down? 2667 01:58:20,320 --> 01:58:22,159 >> Um, just think it in your head. 2668 01:58:22,159 --> 01:58:23,119 >> Okay. 2669 01:58:23,119 --> 01:58:24,960 >> And maybe we'll go around the Does 2670 01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:27,360 everybody have their answer? 2671 01:58:27,360 --> 01:58:30,480 >> Yeah. Um, 2672 01:58:30,480 --> 01:58:32,560 should we let me go first? 2673 01:58:32,560 --> 01:58:34,480 >> Yeah, I'll go last. 2674 01:58:34,480 --> 01:58:37,440 >> Well, you're kind of the That's fine. Go 2675 01:58:37,440 --> 01:58:38,320 ahead. 2676 01:58:38,320 --> 01:58:41,520 >> Fishing or fishing email is the number 2677 01:58:41,520 --> 01:58:42,800 one. 2678 01:58:42,800 --> 01:58:43,760 >> All right. So, 2679 01:58:43,760 --> 01:58:45,040 >> well, I was gonna say with a click. 2680 01:58:45,040 --> 01:58:47,520 >> I had it right, but I spelled it f i s h 2681 01:58:47,520 --> 01:58:51,910 i n g. 2682 01:58:51,920 --> 01:58:52,320 » Click. 2683 01:58:52,320 --> 01:58:54,639 >> Starts with a click. 2684 01:58:54,639 --> 01:58:56,320 >> Yay. 2685 01:58:56,320 --> 01:58:57,840 Way to go. 2686 01:58:57,840 --> 01:58:58,400 >> Good job. 2687 01:58:58,400 --> 01:59:00,159 >> Oh, actually, let's add it all. Add it 2688 01:59:00,159 --> 01:59:02,480 all up and let's add that all up and 2689 01:59:02,480 --> 01:59:06,550 give it to the flowers. 2690 01:59:06,560 --> 01:59:07,440 All right, that's it. 2691 01:59:07,440 --> 01:59:08,719 >> Donation. 2692 01:59:08,719 --> 01:59:12,480 >> Thank you guys all for participating. 2693 01:59:12,480 --> 01:59:16,719 >> First choice or room. 2694 01:59:16,719 --> 01:59:18,719 >> Nice. 2695 01:59:18,719 --> 01:59:20,560 >> Um, let's see. Britney, you got extra 2696 01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:23,520 points, right? 2697 01:59:23,520 --> 01:59:25,119 >> You Huh? 2698 01:59:25,119 --> 01:59:27,520 >> But you answered a question that we 2699 01:59:27,520 --> 01:59:31,030 haven't talked about. 2700 01:59:31,040 --> 01:59:35,189 » Dinner. 2701 01:59:35,199 --> 01:59:37,360 Who else got the extra point stuff that 2702 01:59:37,360 --> 01:59:38,960 we didn't really go over? 2703 01:59:38,960 --> 01:59:40,159 >> I don't know if anybody did. 2704 01:59:40,159 --> 01:59:41,520 >> I think everyone got it. 2705 01:59:41,520 --> 01:59:43,599 >> Yeah, I think everybody got it. 2706 01:59:43,599 --> 01:59:44,400 >> Participation. 2707 01:59:44,400 --> 01:59:47,199 >> Absolutely. 2708 01:59:47,199 --> 01:59:54,229 >> Thank you. 2709 01:59:54,239 --> 01:59:57,199 » We do have dinner coming soon. should 2710 01:59:57,199 --> 02:00:00,080 leave her hand sanitized. 2711 02:00:00,080 --> 02:00:03,280 Um, we're kind of just gonna Oh, you 2712 02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:05,119 want to give them to Jake. 2713 02:00:05,119 --> 02:00:06,000 >> Okay. 2714 02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:07,440 >> I got a whole bucket over here. Look at 2715 02:00:07,440 --> 02:00:07,840 this. 2716 02:00:07,840 --> 02:00:08,960 >> No, I'm good. 2717 02:00:08,960 --> 02:00:10,320 >> Thank you. Not a pretzel. 2718 02:00:10,320 --> 02:00:11,520 >> All right. Somebody else is going to 2719 02:00:11,520 --> 02:00:14,000 need 2720 02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:15,840 >> Wait a minute. I know somebody wanted 2721 02:00:15,840 --> 02:00:17,280 these. 2722 02:00:17,280 --> 02:00:17,920 >> There you go. 2723 02:00:17,920 --> 02:00:19,280 >> Yep. You got him. Aspen. 2724 02:00:19,280 --> 02:00:23,040 >> I know. I denied him for one reason. 2725 02:00:23,040 --> 02:00:24,800 >> I mean, 2726 02:00:24,800 --> 02:00:26,800 >> okay. Thank you, Alicia. That was 2727 02:00:26,800 --> 02:00:28,800 wonderful. Our next agenda item is 2728 02:00:28,800 --> 02:00:30,639 number three. A training of roles and 2729 02:00:30,639 --> 02:00:32,719 responsibilities of the HR treasurer 2730 02:00:32,719 --> 02:00:35,910 department. 2731 02:00:35,920 --> 02:00:38,000 » Hello. 2732 02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:41,599 Good evening. May council Heidi Jeff HR 2733 02:00:41,599 --> 02:00:44,800 and treasurer for Grantsville City. 2734 02:00:44,800 --> 02:00:47,440 >> I have a slide. 2735 02:00:47,440 --> 02:00:58,149 >> Let me just plug everything back in. 2736 02:00:58,159 --> 02:01:00,320 Do you um you put it in the Google or 2737 02:01:00,320 --> 02:01:29,109 you're going to take your Google 2738 02:01:29,119 --> 02:01:38,229 I hope that 2739 02:01:38,239 --> 02:01:42,880 Sorry, I have a lot of room. 2740 02:01:42,880 --> 02:01:57,510 All right. 2741 02:01:57,520 --> 02:01:59,440 Took me like five minutes in that game 2742 02:01:59,440 --> 02:02:02,560 to figure out I was supposed to 2743 02:02:02,560 --> 02:02:04,880 >> I was like the very first time 2744 02:02:04,880 --> 02:02:06,480 >> when when Jeff read the question I was 2745 02:02:06,480 --> 02:02:09,440 like okay is Jeff got to give the answer 2746 02:02:09,440 --> 02:02:12,239 how come everybody else is 2747 02:02:12,239 --> 02:02:15,119 >> which one is it is it the groundb 2748 02:02:15,119 --> 02:02:16,560 Mitch, watch some reruns. 2749 02:02:16,560 --> 02:02:17,679 >> You're going to have to watch some 2750 02:02:17,679 --> 02:02:32,790 reruns. 2751 02:02:32,800 --> 02:02:34,239 » Not presented in 2752 02:02:34,239 --> 02:02:38,480 >> Watch Christian's long run in Jeopardy. 2753 02:02:38,480 --> 02:02:41,440 >> Did you ever watch? 2754 02:02:41,440 --> 02:02:42,719 >> He's the host. 2755 02:02:42,719 --> 02:02:44,239 He's the host. 2756 02:02:44,239 --> 02:02:46,239 >> Oh, but he played on it. 2757 02:02:46,239 --> 02:02:47,840 >> He's from Utah. Yeah. 2758 02:02:47,840 --> 02:02:48,480 >> I think 2759 02:02:48,480 --> 02:02:50,800 >> there was a guy from I think it was Ron 2760 02:02:50,800 --> 02:02:53,199 Johnson 2761 02:02:53,199 --> 02:02:54,639 was on Jeopardy once. 2762 02:02:54,639 --> 02:02:56,080 >> Sure. 2763 02:02:56,080 --> 02:02:57,840 >> Beer was on Jeopardy once. 2764 02:02:57,840 --> 02:02:58,719 >> Who's that? 2765 02:02:58,719 --> 02:03:00,880 >> Marin Beaser. 2766 02:03:00,880 --> 02:03:02,000 >> Yeah, 2767 02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:04,000 >> she fun. 2768 02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:04,400 >> Which 2769 02:03:04,400 --> 02:03:06,159 >> that would be like my goal. The ultimate 2770 02:03:06,159 --> 02:03:09,599 dream probably. 2771 02:03:09,599 --> 02:03:11,119 I probably I think I'm on like celebrity 2772 02:03:11,119 --> 02:03:12,320 Jeopardy where the questions are like 2773 02:03:12,320 --> 02:03:14,000 easier, you know, or like college or 2774 02:03:14,000 --> 02:03:17,119 high school. 2775 02:03:17,119 --> 02:03:17,520 >> All right. 2776 02:03:17,520 --> 02:03:18,800 You guys ready? 2777 02:03:18,800 --> 02:03:19,679 >> Yeah, absolutely. 2778 02:03:19,679 --> 02:03:21,760 >> Perfect. So, I just wanted to briefly go 2779 02:03:21,760 --> 02:03:24,000 over our workforce that we have right 2780 02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:27,440 now. We currently have 99 employees. 73 2781 02:03:27,440 --> 02:03:30,639 are full-time, 26 are part-time. Our 2782 02:03:30,639 --> 02:03:33,280 tenure is 3.5. 2783 02:03:33,280 --> 02:03:35,840 We have brought on 39 new hires since 2784 02:03:35,840 --> 02:03:38,719 May of 2025 and we've had 26 2785 02:03:38,719 --> 02:03:40,320 separations. 2786 02:03:40,320 --> 02:03:42,560 We've added several new positions to the 2787 02:03:42,560 --> 02:03:45,199 company such as community development, 2788 02:03:45,199 --> 02:03:48,639 road supervisor, GIS, code enforcement, 2789 02:03:48,639 --> 02:03:51,040 an engineer, another victim's advocate, 2790 02:03:51,040 --> 02:03:54,000 a part-time mechanic, 2791 02:03:54,000 --> 02:03:59,910 and an infrastructure inspector. 2792 02:03:59,920 --> 02:04:02,239 Our next slide. 2793 02:04:02,239 --> 02:04:04,480 It's a lot to manage. I'll just say that 2794 02:04:04,480 --> 02:04:04,639 it's 2795 02:04:04,639 --> 02:04:06,480 >> a lot. It is. 2796 02:04:06,480 --> 02:04:08,320 >> But we have great directors. So, it's 2797 02:04:08,320 --> 02:04:10,480 very, very helpful. This is our tenure 2798 02:04:10,480 --> 02:04:12,239 of my department. You can see everybody 2799 02:04:12,239 --> 02:04:13,760 wants to work at the library. That's 2800 02:04:13,760 --> 02:04:14,400 where 2801 02:04:14,400 --> 02:04:16,000 >> it does look like that. 2802 02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:17,520 >> I can't say I blame them. They get to do 2803 02:04:17,520 --> 02:04:20,960 fun things like bubbles and egg drops. 2804 02:04:20,960 --> 02:04:23,119 We have one employee who has been with 2805 02:04:23,119 --> 02:04:26,719 us for 38 years and two months. Another 2806 02:04:26,719 --> 02:04:29,119 that's been with us for 21 years and 10 2807 02:04:29,119 --> 02:04:31,199 months. and then somebody who's been 2808 02:04:31,199 --> 02:04:33,199 with us for 13 years in one month. Those 2809 02:04:33,199 --> 02:04:35,679 are our longest serving members. 2810 02:04:35,679 --> 02:04:38,159 >> Can I ask a question while we're 2811 02:04:38,159 --> 02:04:42,159 >> like what do we do to recognize that? 2812 02:04:42,159 --> 02:04:45,040 >> That is something that we are not good 2813 02:04:45,040 --> 02:04:45,599 at. 2814 02:04:45,599 --> 02:04:47,760 >> Yeah. I just I that doesn't happen very 2815 02:04:47,760 --> 02:04:50,159 often in the industry. I know personally 2816 02:04:50,159 --> 02:04:51,920 within what we do at our company when we 2817 02:04:51,920 --> 02:04:53,520 have some we have one that's been there 2818 02:04:53,520 --> 02:04:55,920 30 years. But I I think that's something 2819 02:04:55,920 --> 02:04:57,920 maybe we ought to 2820 02:04:57,920 --> 02:04:58,719 >> celebrate. 2821 02:04:58,719 --> 02:05:00,000 >> Yeah. Absolutely. 2822 02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:01,119 >> I agree. 2823 02:05:01,119 --> 02:05:03,280 >> So, 2824 02:05:03,280 --> 02:05:04,480 >> sorry to get you off. 2825 02:05:04,480 --> 02:05:06,320 >> No, that's perfect. I appreciate that 2826 02:05:06,320 --> 02:05:07,440 because I think those things are 2827 02:05:07,440 --> 02:05:08,800 important, too. Celebrating our 2828 02:05:08,800 --> 02:05:11,360 employees and their successes is kind of 2829 02:05:11,360 --> 02:05:12,800 a big deal and that's something we could 2830 02:05:12,800 --> 02:05:13,679 definitely 2831 02:05:13,679 --> 02:05:15,679 >> How do you celebrate at your company? We 2832 02:05:15,679 --> 02:05:18,000 give them a rifle. 2833 02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:19,440 >> I think we should do that here. 2834 02:05:19,440 --> 02:05:21,599 >> No, 2835 02:05:21,599 --> 02:05:24,080 we do. you give them a Henry's rifle 2836 02:05:24,080 --> 02:05:26,960 that has like it's gold embossed and 2837 02:05:26,960 --> 02:05:29,119 it's engraved and it I mean obviously 2838 02:05:29,119 --> 02:05:31,199 but for that amount of time frame I mean 2839 02:05:31,199 --> 02:05:32,719 obviously we have different roles we 2840 02:05:32,719 --> 02:05:38,560 have to follow but like I recognition is especially someone who's worked that 2841 02:05:38,560 --> 02:05:42,239 long that that's that's an that's 2842 02:05:42,239 --> 02:05:44,159 >> the city has historically given out a 2843 02:05:44,159 --> 02:05:46,719 rifle to the outgoing mayor that was one 2844 02:05:46,719 --> 02:05:49,520 of the outgoing gifts but that has that 2845 02:05:49,520 --> 02:05:51,199 has stopped 2846 02:05:51,199 --> 02:05:54,400 >> we we aren't doing that anymore? 2847 02:05:54,400 --> 02:05:57,119 >> No, I mean, if you were to ask me, I I 2848 02:05:57,119 --> 02:05:58,639 there's a lot of different ways. I mean, 2849 02:05:58,639 --> 02:06:01,840 obviously, it's the you know, there's we 2850 02:06:01,840 --> 02:06:04,400 do the crystal 2851 02:06:04,400 --> 02:06:05,520 things that you put in the corner of 2852 02:06:05,520 --> 02:06:09,040 your desk. That's to me it's that's nice. It's a nice gesture, but 2853 02:06:09,040 --> 02:06:12,639 like something I think it would just 2854 02:06:12,639 --> 02:06:14,400 that's that's pretty impressive to have 2855 02:06:14,400 --> 02:06:17,520 someone that's worked that long. And 2856 02:06:17,520 --> 02:06:19,840 >> we give additional PTO. 2857 02:06:19,840 --> 02:06:21,599 >> Yeah. That's when they hit certain 2858 02:06:21,599 --> 02:06:22,880 marks, they get additional. 2859 02:06:22,880 --> 02:06:24,239 >> We do like gift cards. So for five 2860 02:06:24,239 --> 02:06:25,920 years, 10 years, you get like gift 2861 02:06:25,920 --> 02:06:26,800 cards. 2862 02:06:26,800 --> 02:06:28,960 >> That's good. 2863 02:06:28,960 --> 02:06:30,400 >> Everyone likes time off. 2864 02:06:30,400 --> 02:06:31,199 >> Everybody does. 2865 02:06:31,199 --> 02:06:32,560 >> We've been there longest. That's the way 2866 02:06:32,560 --> 02:06:34,000 we look at it. 2867 02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:35,840 >> One of the problems we have with our 2868 02:06:35,840 --> 02:06:37,920 people who have been here a long time is 2869 02:06:37,920 --> 02:06:39,280 the vacation time. 2870 02:06:39,280 --> 02:06:42,239 >> We can only carry over 240 hours 2871 02:06:42,239 --> 02:06:45,360 >> and they have their maps all the time. 2872 02:06:45,360 --> 02:06:47,599 >> Time conserved. So, it's really hard for 2873 02:06:47,599 --> 02:06:50,800 them to use their their vacation. 2874 02:06:50,800 --> 02:06:53,280 >> Great ideas. I love the suggestions. 2875 02:06:53,280 --> 02:06:55,199 Thank you. 2876 02:06:55,199 --> 02:06:58,480 >> I I think some social, you know, we have 2877 02:06:58,480 --> 02:07:02,470 social media recognitions 2878 02:07:02,480 --> 02:07:04,639 to so and so for if they're okay with 2879 02:07:04,639 --> 02:07:07,360 that going public. But 2880 02:07:07,360 --> 02:07:08,400 >> some people are, right? 2881 02:07:08,400 --> 02:07:10,320 >> Yeah. I I think I think something like 2882 02:07:10,320 --> 02:07:14,480 that a recognition on our site and and 2883 02:07:14,480 --> 02:07:19,910 thanking them for their hard work. So 2884 02:07:19,920 --> 02:07:20,800 » any other ideas? 2885 02:07:20,800 --> 02:07:22,719 >> Yeah. Any other ideas? I those are great 2886 02:07:22,719 --> 02:07:25,199 ideas. 2887 02:07:25,199 --> 02:07:29,830 >> Naming a park after them 2888 02:07:29,840 --> 02:07:31,520 » street name or 2889 02:07:31,520 --> 02:07:36,870 >> I'd like like a nice Trager. 2890 02:07:36,880 --> 02:07:38,400 » That's great. We are talking about 2891 02:07:38,400 --> 02:07:40,560 public works. So they probably would 2892 02:07:40,560 --> 02:07:41,840 also like a trader. 2893 02:07:41,840 --> 02:07:43,920 >> Yeah, probably 2894 02:07:43,920 --> 02:07:46,239 a little less liability than a rifle. 2895 02:07:46,239 --> 02:07:48,400 >> Yeah, 2896 02:07:48,400 --> 02:07:50,560 >> this is just an overview of our labor 2897 02:07:50,560 --> 02:07:52,400 costs right now. This is current year to 2898 02:07:52,400 --> 02:07:55,599 date. You'll notice that one that drops 2899 02:07:55,599 --> 02:07:57,760 down in February, that's an offcycle 2900 02:07:57,760 --> 02:08:00,159 paycheck. So that's going to be somebody 2901 02:08:00,159 --> 02:08:02,960 who's leading the city. 2902 02:08:02,960 --> 02:08:07,589 We currently have had 44,500 2903 02:08:07,599 --> 02:08:15,270 labor hours right now. 2904 02:08:15,280 --> 02:08:16,560 And the next slide, we're going to talk 2905 02:08:16,560 --> 02:08:19,199 about benefits. So, our benefits go up 2906 02:08:19,199 --> 02:08:21,119 every year. 2907 02:08:21,119 --> 02:08:23,520 Our medical insurance is currently going 2908 02:08:23,520 --> 02:08:27,280 up 5%. Our dental is going up between 2909 02:08:27,280 --> 02:08:30,239 2.9 to 3.89. 2910 02:08:30,239 --> 02:08:32,400 And great news, our vision went down a 2911 02:08:32,400 --> 02:08:34,400 little bit, so there's a savings on 2912 02:08:34,400 --> 02:08:37,199 that. Not a big savings though because 2913 02:08:37,199 --> 02:08:40,960 addition is is very reasonable. 2914 02:08:40,960 --> 02:08:44,000 We're projecting a monthly cost of 2915 02:08:44,000 --> 02:08:45,679 122,000. 2916 02:08:45,679 --> 02:08:49,119 Our increase is going to be 5,648 2917 02:08:49,119 --> 02:08:53,119 a month. And then we're looking at 6776 2918 02:08:53,119 --> 02:08:55,679 for an annual increase of our benefit 2919 02:08:55,679 --> 02:08:57,440 rates as far as medical, dental, and 2920 02:08:57,440 --> 02:09:00,560 vision goes. 2921 02:09:00,560 --> 02:09:02,639 I'm I'm assuming the answer to that this 2922 02:09:02,639 --> 02:09:05,520 is yes, but do we competitively shop 2923 02:09:05,520 --> 02:09:10,239 that or are we held to 2924 02:09:10,239 --> 02:09:10,960 >> we 2925 02:09:10,960 --> 02:09:11,840 >> some public? 2926 02:09:11,840 --> 02:09:14,480 >> We have not historically shopped that. 2927 02:09:14,480 --> 02:09:15,920 is something that Michael would 2928 02:09:15,920 --> 02:09:17,920 like us to do in the future. 2929 02:09:17,920 --> 02:09:20,320 >> I do come from the private sector. So 2930 02:09:20,320 --> 02:09:25,599 these small increases of 5% are really 2931 02:09:25,599 --> 02:09:28,400 great increases. private looks at much 2932 02:09:28,400 --> 02:09:31,760 higher anywhere from 10 to 18%. 2933 02:09:31,760 --> 02:09:33,760 But we will be looking at other options 2934 02:09:33,760 --> 02:09:35,119 for next year. 2935 02:09:35,119 --> 02:09:37,599 >> I mean, as we as we grow as a city, that 2936 02:09:37,599 --> 02:09:39,280 number should technically go down, 2937 02:09:39,280 --> 02:09:40,159 right? 2938 02:09:40,159 --> 02:09:42,880 >> I mean, the more employees you have, the 2939 02:09:42,880 --> 02:09:45,440 >> we're actually in a big pool with PHP. 2940 02:09:45,440 --> 02:09:47,360 So, they're not just looking at just 2941 02:09:47,360 --> 02:09:49,840 >> depends on our claims too that we get as 2942 02:09:49,840 --> 02:09:51,840 well, right? 2943 02:09:51,840 --> 02:09:53,440 >> It's really the drugs too that they 2944 02:09:53,440 --> 02:09:56,400 really factor in. One of the things that 2945 02:09:56,400 --> 02:09:59,119 we do get hit pretty hard on out here is 2946 02:09:59,119 --> 02:10:01,520 there's not a lot of facilities for our 2947 02:10:01,520 --> 02:10:03,840 employees to go to. So there's not a lot 2948 02:10:03,840 --> 02:10:06,320 of urgent cares or peds after hours. And 2949 02:10:06,320 --> 02:10:08,000 so instead of going to something like 2950 02:10:08,000 --> 02:10:09,679 that they would normally do in Salt 2951 02:10:09,679 --> 02:10:12,719 Lake, they go to the emergency room. Um 2952 02:10:12,719 --> 02:10:15,280 we also don't have like in network 2953 02:10:15,280 --> 02:10:17,679 providers who can do colonoscopies and 2954 02:10:17,679 --> 02:10:20,159 things like that. So they go to somebody 2955 02:10:20,159 --> 02:10:21,760 who's out of the network which is a 2956 02:10:21,760 --> 02:10:23,360 little more difficult out here. 2957 02:10:23,360 --> 02:10:27,840 >> What is our network? It's PHP. So we 2958 02:10:27,840 --> 02:10:28,960 >> like select health or 2959 02:10:28,960 --> 02:10:31,440 >> the Well, we have two plans. We have a 2960 02:10:31,440 --> 02:10:33,920 summit and an advantage. So it depends 2961 02:10:33,920 --> 02:10:35,199 on what plan. Do you want to go to the 2962 02:10:35,199 --> 02:10:38,000 IHC hospitals or do you want to go to 2963 02:10:38,000 --> 02:10:40,880 more of the Pioneer or Salt Lake 2964 02:10:40,880 --> 02:10:42,159 Regional type hospitals? 2965 02:10:42,159 --> 02:10:43,679 >> And I didn't want to get us off on a 2966 02:10:43,679 --> 02:10:45,920 subject. I just we need to figure out 2967 02:10:45,920 --> 02:10:47,280 which hospital we're going to put next 2968 02:10:47,280 --> 02:10:50,480 in Granville. So Exactly. We might as 2969 02:10:50,480 --> 02:10:51,679 well have the right one. 2970 02:10:51,679 --> 02:10:55,040 >> You might as well. 2971 02:10:55,040 --> 02:10:57,119 that would be helpful for our employees, 2972 02:10:57,119 --> 02:10:58,960 for the citizens, everybody out here. 2973 02:10:58,960 --> 02:10:59,840 >> That's good. 2974 02:10:59,840 --> 02:11:01,119 >> So, our next slide, we're going to go 2975 02:11:01,119 --> 02:11:04,480 over what our what the city does for our 2976 02:11:04,480 --> 02:11:06,960 employees. We talked about our health, 2977 02:11:06,960 --> 02:11:10,480 medical help, dental, vision coverage. 2978 02:11:10,480 --> 02:11:13,199 The city actually pays 85% of those 2979 02:11:13,199 --> 02:11:15,920 premiums for our employees. And we have 2980 02:11:15,920 --> 02:11:19,840 a very low deductible rate. So, a 250 2981 02:11:19,840 --> 02:11:22,320 for a single and a 500 for a family, 2982 02:11:22,320 --> 02:11:25,199 which is pretty incredible. Most of our 2983 02:11:25,199 --> 02:11:28,800 um cost is going to be a a deduct or a 2984 02:11:28,800 --> 02:11:33,920 co-ayment plan on that. We also match 3% 2985 02:11:33,920 --> 02:11:36,639 dollar for dollar for the 401k for our 2986 02:11:36,639 --> 02:11:38,480 employees. So, if an employee puts in 2987 02:11:38,480 --> 02:11:41,520 3%, we'll match 3%. They put in 2%, 2988 02:11:41,520 --> 02:11:44,159 we'll match 2%. If they don't put 2989 02:11:44,159 --> 02:11:46,000 anything into their 401k, they don't 2990 02:11:46,000 --> 02:11:48,480 receive the 3%. So, they actually have 2991 02:11:48,480 --> 02:11:50,960 to contribute to that. The city also 2992 02:11:50,960 --> 02:11:53,280 covers for all full-time employees 2993 02:11:53,280 --> 02:11:56,400 50,000 of life insurance and also we 2994 02:11:56,400 --> 02:11:58,639 cover 10,000 2995 02:11:58,639 --> 02:12:00,960 for your spouse and 10,000 for your 2996 02:12:00,960 --> 02:12:03,840 children. We also have a long-term 2997 02:12:03,840 --> 02:12:05,679 disability policy and a short-term 2998 02:12:05,679 --> 02:12:07,760 disability policy for our full-time 2999 02:12:07,760 --> 02:12:10,159 employees. And then we also offer 3000 02:12:10,159 --> 02:12:13,360 Blamquist Health. There are our employee 3001 02:12:13,360 --> 02:12:16,000 assistant program. So if employees are 3002 02:12:16,000 --> 02:12:18,400 suffering with any type of mental 3003 02:12:18,400 --> 02:12:21,440 health, any type of crisis, it's covers. 3004 02:12:21,440 --> 02:12:22,960 They're the ones that come out for our 3005 02:12:22,960 --> 02:12:24,960 police department when they have 3006 02:12:24,960 --> 02:12:28,320 difficulties that they're going through. 3007 02:12:28,320 --> 02:12:31,360 We also do a 3008 02:12:31,360 --> 02:12:35,830 gym membership. 3009 02:12:35,840 --> 02:12:38,079 That's going to be later. 3010 02:12:38,079 --> 02:12:41,040 Our next slide is going to be our paid 3011 02:12:41,040 --> 02:12:43,360 time off. We have our vacations. So our 3012 02:12:43,360 --> 02:12:45,599 vac vacations based off of years of 3013 02:12:45,599 --> 02:12:47,040 service 3014 02:12:47,040 --> 02:12:50,400 >> and the max carryover is 240. We do have 3015 02:12:50,400 --> 02:12:52,400 a cash out. So if somebody leaves the 3016 02:12:52,400 --> 02:12:55,199 city whether they retire or they move on 3017 02:12:55,199 --> 02:12:56,880 to somewhere else it is a cash out so 3018 02:12:56,880 --> 02:12:59,119 they can cash that out. We have sick 3019 02:12:59,119 --> 02:13:02,079 leave acral is 12 days per year. There 3020 02:13:02,079 --> 02:13:05,520 is no cash out for that. We also do have 3021 02:13:05,520 --> 02:13:08,480 funeral leave. It's up to 24 hours of 3022 02:13:08,480 --> 02:13:12,000 leave depending on who has passed. 3023 02:13:12,000 --> 02:13:13,920 Comp time is something we allow our 3024 02:13:13,920 --> 02:13:16,000 employees to acrue. So instead of their 3025 02:13:16,000 --> 02:13:18,719 overtime, they can bake comp time and we 3026 02:13:18,719 --> 02:13:22,719 have 15 paid holidays per year. These 3027 02:13:22,719 --> 02:13:26,239 are for full-time employees only. 3028 02:13:26,239 --> 02:13:28,480 Some additional benefits that we have 3029 02:13:28,480 --> 02:13:30,560 are going to be our gym membership. So 3030 02:13:30,560 --> 02:13:32,800 if employees want to participate in the 3031 02:13:32,800 --> 02:13:36,239 gym membership, they can receive $9.23 3032 02:13:36,239 --> 02:13:39,440 on their paychecks each each pay period. 3033 02:13:39,440 --> 02:13:40,800 Okay. Did you say that one was upcoming 3034 02:13:40,800 --> 02:13:41,679 or is this currently? 3035 02:13:41,679 --> 02:13:42,400 >> This is current. 3036 02:13:42,400 --> 02:13:44,400 >> Oh, 3037 02:13:44,400 --> 02:13:46,480 >> so if anyone has a gym membership, they 3038 02:13:46,480 --> 02:13:47,280 can apply for that 3039 02:13:47,280 --> 02:13:48,079 >> tiller one. 3040 02:13:48,079 --> 02:13:49,679 >> Does the gym have to be in grat? 3041 02:13:49,679 --> 02:13:52,159 >> No, it doesn't have to be in say 3042 02:13:52,159 --> 02:13:54,960 >> Yeah. No, it doesn't have to be in. And 3043 02:13:54,960 --> 02:13:57,040 then we also offer a very generous six 3044 02:13:57,040 --> 02:13:58,960 weeks of paid parental leave as well. 3045 02:13:58,960 --> 02:14:01,119 And that begins at birth. That's for 3046 02:14:01,119 --> 02:14:04,960 adoption, foster care, placement. 3047 02:14:04,960 --> 02:14:08,639 Um, and that's available for our men and 3048 02:14:08,639 --> 02:14:15,430 women who work here within the city. 3049 02:14:15,440 --> 02:14:19,119 As we um lose some of our longtime 3050 02:14:19,119 --> 02:14:20,880 employees, some of the things that we've 3051 02:14:20,880 --> 02:14:23,840 lost are institutional knowledge. So, 3052 02:14:23,840 --> 02:14:25,040 one of the things that we're really 3053 02:14:25,040 --> 02:14:27,440 working hard on and focusing on in HR is 3054 02:14:27,440 --> 02:14:30,719 going to be the onboarding process. 3055 02:14:30,719 --> 02:14:33,760 That's how we see people through. We 3056 02:14:33,760 --> 02:14:36,239 focus on the whole life cycle from the 3057 02:14:36,239 --> 02:14:37,920 first time we interview until their 3058 02:14:37,920 --> 02:14:40,400 separation. We've implemented a lot of 3059 02:14:40,400 --> 02:14:42,880 checklists that are viewable for, you 3060 02:14:42,880 --> 02:14:44,880 know, pertinent directors. So, if it's 3061 02:14:44,880 --> 02:14:46,880 coming in through per public works, it's 3062 02:14:46,880 --> 02:14:48,719 going to be Christy that's going to see 3063 02:14:48,719 --> 02:14:51,679 those. Michael will also see those. Um, 3064 02:14:51,679 --> 02:14:53,920 we're working on offboarding and then 3065 02:14:53,920 --> 02:14:57,760 also initiatives on how we bring people 3066 02:14:57,760 --> 02:15:00,560 on so they don't get lost in in the 3067 02:15:00,560 --> 02:15:04,709 system. 3068 02:15:04,719 --> 02:15:07,280 The next thing I wanted to touch on is 3069 02:15:07,280 --> 02:15:09,199 growth. That's one thing that we're 3070 02:15:09,199 --> 02:15:11,520 really trying to work towards is getting 3071 02:15:11,520 --> 02:15:13,360 prepared for the future. What's coming 3072 02:15:13,360 --> 02:15:15,599 to Grantsville, making sure our 3073 02:15:15,599 --> 02:15:18,880 workforce is is ready to handle that. 3074 02:15:18,880 --> 02:15:20,239 So, we're going to be doing a 3075 02:15:20,239 --> 02:15:23,199 compensation study and then a knowledge 3076 02:15:23,199 --> 02:15:26,320 transfer program where we can bring the 3077 02:15:26,320 --> 02:15:27,920 knowledge that our people that have been 3078 02:15:27,920 --> 02:15:30,719 here 30 plus years can pass that on. 3079 02:15:30,719 --> 02:15:33,440 whether that be from a binder or 3080 02:15:33,440 --> 02:15:39,510 training people up inside the system. 3081 02:15:39,520 --> 02:15:41,040 Another thing we're working on is our 3082 02:15:41,040 --> 02:15:43,280 employee handbook. That's an area that 3083 02:15:43,280 --> 02:15:45,679 we definitely could strengthen. There's 3084 02:15:45,679 --> 02:15:48,719 a lot of things in there that 3085 02:15:48,719 --> 02:15:50,800 contradict itself. So, we're working on 3086 02:15:50,800 --> 02:15:52,400 that. It's currently with legal right 3087 02:15:52,400 --> 02:15:54,639 now. So, they're going over that. We'll 3088 02:15:54,639 --> 02:15:56,800 be rolling out that out hopefully the 3089 02:15:56,800 --> 02:16:01,270 end of the third quarter of this year. 3090 02:16:01,280 --> 02:16:03,840 And then our last what we want to talk 3091 02:16:03,840 --> 02:16:05,840 about is just celebrating our employees. 3092 02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:08,000 You guys already touched on that and I 3093 02:16:08,000 --> 02:16:09,599 think that's definitely an area of 3094 02:16:09,599 --> 02:16:11,920 improvement that we could do is 3095 02:16:11,920 --> 02:16:14,000 celebrate the people who show up every 3096 02:16:14,000 --> 02:16:16,079 single day, serve with integrity and 3097 02:16:16,079 --> 02:16:18,719 help grow our city. 3098 02:16:18,719 --> 02:16:21,840 >> Any questions? 3099 02:16:21,840 --> 02:16:23,440 >> Do we have any open positions right now? 3100 02:16:23,440 --> 02:16:24,239 Just 3101 02:16:24,239 --> 02:16:27,760 >> We do. We actually have a meter 3102 02:16:27,760 --> 02:16:29,840 slashblue stakes person that's open 3103 02:16:29,840 --> 02:16:31,920 right now and we're also looking for a 3104 02:16:31,920 --> 02:16:33,840 roads lead. 3105 02:16:33,840 --> 02:16:35,840 >> Those have not been posted but they will 3106 02:16:35,840 --> 02:16:39,439 be posted soon. 3107 02:16:39,439 --> 02:16:42,399 >> I think if anyone comes up or has any 3108 02:16:42,399 --> 02:16:44,960 other thoughts on recognizing and 3109 02:16:44,960 --> 02:16:46,719 celebrating the employees, I think if 3110 02:16:46,719 --> 02:16:50,160 you could email Heidi or myself and we 3111 02:16:50,160 --> 02:16:54,389 can kind of collaborate on that. 3112 02:16:54,399 --> 02:16:55,280 Thank you. 3113 02:16:55,280 --> 02:16:57,519 >> All right. Thank you. 3114 02:16:57,519 --> 02:16:58,960 >> Guess we could always get a non-working 3115 02:16:58,960 --> 02:17:00,479 rifle, right? 3116 02:17:00,479 --> 02:17:00,960 >> Yeah. 3117 02:17:00,960 --> 02:17:03,679 >> They're not fun. 3118 02:17:03,679 --> 02:17:05,760 >> Hobby Lobby. I can't sell those. 3119 02:17:05,760 --> 02:17:08,800 >> Hobby Lobby. I take the Hobby Lobby gift 3120 02:17:08,800 --> 02:17:11,120 card. 3121 02:17:11,120 --> 02:17:13,519 >> Who wants to gift card? 3122 02:17:13,519 --> 02:17:14,160 >> That's great. 3123 02:17:14,160 --> 02:17:15,280 >> All right. 3124 02:17:15,280 --> 02:17:16,960 >> Yeah. Let's get some food then 3125 02:17:16,960 --> 02:17:17,840 >> and then 3126 02:17:17,840 --> 02:17:19,679 >> All right. We're going to take a five 3127 02:17:19,679 --> 02:17:21,359 minute break. 10 minute break. Yeah, we 3128 02:17:21,359 --> 02:17:22,800 can grab our food and then Alexis will 3129 02:17:22,800 --> 02:17:24,639 be here to present Grants while you're 3130 02:17:24,639 --> 02:30:17,910 eating. Okay, perfect. 3131 02:30:17,920 --> 02:30:21,280 Um, I was trying to move it off, but I 3132 02:30:21,280 --> 02:30:24,240 can't get it. It won't. 3133 02:30:24,240 --> 02:30:29,110 Sorry, I couldn't see that it was there. 3134 02:30:29,120 --> 02:30:35,110 » No, I got my hand. It's just like 3135 02:30:35,120 --> 02:30:38,640 close. There you go. 3136 02:30:38,640 --> 02:30:43,439 >> Okay. Hi, I'm Elisa. Um, so I just give 3137 02:30:43,439 --> 02:30:47,280 you a quick report um that's on our 3138 02:30:47,280 --> 02:30:49,359 process that we have right now just of 3139 02:30:49,359 --> 02:30:51,200 active grant some grants we're waiting 3140 02:30:51,200 --> 02:30:53,280 on. Um, and then just to kind of give 3141 02:30:53,280 --> 02:30:59,270 you more of a 3142 02:30:59,280 --> 02:31:01,920 » Give me like one second. Sorry, I have 3143 02:31:01,920 --> 02:31:08,550 to control those. 3144 02:31:08,560 --> 02:31:20,389 Sorry. 3145 02:31:20,399 --> 02:31:22,720 Is there any chance we can get what was 3146 02:31:22,720 --> 02:31:23,600 shared tonight? 3147 02:31:23,600 --> 02:31:24,160 >> Yes. 3148 02:31:24,160 --> 02:31:25,359 >> Would that work? 3149 02:31:25,359 --> 02:31:26,960 >> And it's on YouTube, too. 3150 02:31:26,960 --> 02:31:28,960 >> Okay. 3151 02:31:28,960 --> 02:31:30,479 >> What about the rest of the Jeopardy 3152 02:31:30,479 --> 02:31:32,960 question? I would be happy to send you a 3153 02:31:32,960 --> 02:31:33,760 list. 3154 02:31:33,760 --> 02:31:38,550 >> Yeah. I want to see those. 3155 02:31:38,560 --> 02:31:40,399 » While Alexis is pulling this up. 3156 02:31:40,399 --> 02:31:42,880 >> Well, it's me. That's It's not Alexis. 3157 02:31:42,880 --> 02:31:45,920 While Alicia is pulling up Alexis's 3158 02:31:45,920 --> 02:31:48,000 slides, uh, I just want to point out 3159 02:31:48,000 --> 02:31:51,040 something about Alexis, I was talking 3160 02:31:51,040 --> 02:31:54,960 with you DOT trying to secure some 3161 02:31:54,960 --> 02:31:56,800 opportunities for some grants for Main 3162 02:31:56,800 --> 02:31:58,800 Street for sidewalks. 3163 02:31:58,800 --> 02:32:01,840 And she had submitted two applications. 3164 02:32:01,840 --> 02:32:04,000 And of all the applications that they 3165 02:32:04,000 --> 02:32:06,000 received throughout the state, the top 3166 02:32:06,000 --> 02:32:08,000 two applications came from the city of 3167 02:32:08,000 --> 02:32:11,520 Grantsville. Alexis, excellent work. 3168 02:32:11,520 --> 02:32:14,960 They could only award us one, but both 3169 02:32:14,960 --> 02:32:16,880 of the top applications came from 3170 02:32:16,880 --> 02:32:18,560 Alexis. 3171 02:32:18,560 --> 02:32:20,160 >> Well done. 3172 02:32:20,160 --> 02:32:21,200 >> Way to go. 3173 02:32:21,200 --> 02:32:24,560 >> Um, okay. 3174 02:32:24,560 --> 02:32:26,800 >> Maybe 3175 02:32:26,800 --> 02:32:27,840 you get it. It's 3176 02:32:27,840 --> 02:32:28,960 >> is it? 3177 02:32:28,960 --> 02:32:30,080 >> There you go. 3178 02:32:30,080 --> 02:32:31,280 >> Nope, it's on. 3179 02:32:31,280 --> 02:32:33,439 >> Okay. Um, so it'll actually be pretty 3180 02:32:33,439 --> 02:32:35,200 quick regardless of what this agenda 3181 02:32:35,200 --> 02:32:36,720 says. So, I'm just going to go over just 3182 02:32:36,720 --> 02:32:38,880 the roles and responsibilities, 3183 02:32:38,880 --> 02:32:41,120 uh the process, a little bit about the 3184 02:32:41,120 --> 02:32:43,760 budget, um some of the grants we are 3185 02:32:43,760 --> 02:32:45,280 going to start working on, the ones 3186 02:32:45,280 --> 02:32:47,600 we're waiting on, and then just looking 3187 02:32:47,600 --> 02:32:50,160 ahead for grants. 3188 02:32:50,160 --> 02:32:53,359 Um okay, so these are the roles and 3189 02:32:53,359 --> 02:32:55,680 responsibilities of everyone who is 3190 02:32:55,680 --> 02:32:58,319 involved in a grant. So, like literally 3191 02:32:58,319 --> 02:33:02,319 everyone. Um so my role here is to 3192 02:33:02,319 --> 02:33:05,760 search for grants and then uh I apply 3193 02:33:05,760 --> 02:33:09,200 for them and then manage them once um 3194 02:33:09,200 --> 02:33:11,920 they're awarded. The department leads so 3195 02:33:11,920 --> 02:33:14,240 they also play a huge role. So they help 3196 02:33:14,240 --> 02:33:16,319 me find grants but then they also help 3197 02:33:16,319 --> 02:33:18,560 give me the information for them. And 3198 02:33:18,560 --> 02:33:21,439 then once if those are awarded then they 3199 02:33:21,439 --> 02:33:25,600 also help um with the process of 3200 02:33:25,600 --> 02:33:28,960 purchasing um building whatever that may 3201 02:33:28,960 --> 02:33:32,880 be um the finance department. So Aspen 3202 02:33:32,880 --> 02:33:35,760 so we always run things through her uh 3203 02:33:35,760 --> 02:33:37,359 just to make sure that we have that 3204 02:33:37,359 --> 02:33:40,160 budget available um and then she'll make 3205 02:33:40,160 --> 02:33:41,840 sure that the procurement process is 3206 02:33:41,840 --> 02:33:44,399 being followed. Um and then the city 3207 02:33:44,399 --> 02:33:47,439 administration. So they 3208 02:33:47,439 --> 02:33:49,920 um Magdal 3209 02:33:49,920 --> 02:33:52,399 um is our main administration for this 3210 02:33:52,399 --> 02:33:55,200 part. Um and so they review the 3211 02:33:55,200 --> 02:33:56,560 priorities, make sure that we're 3212 02:33:56,560 --> 02:34:00,160 following like the PFP um and that what 3213 02:34:00,160 --> 02:34:02,399 the department heads want to apply for 3214 02:34:02,399 --> 02:34:05,359 align with the city's priorities. And 3215 02:34:05,359 --> 02:34:08,560 then for city council, um what we have 3216 02:34:08,560 --> 02:34:10,560 had a few come recently where we are 3217 02:34:10,560 --> 02:34:12,640 asking for you guys to approve just so 3218 02:34:12,640 --> 02:34:14,399 we can make sure that those funds are 3219 02:34:14,399 --> 02:34:17,280 dedicated to that specific project. Um 3220 02:34:17,280 --> 02:34:20,080 so that is your role in the grant 3221 02:34:20,080 --> 02:34:22,560 process and then just any partners or 3222 02:34:22,560 --> 02:34:25,200 consultants that we also may bring into 3223 02:34:25,200 --> 02:34:29,750 the grants as well. 3224 02:34:29,760 --> 02:34:31,680 » All right. So this is kind of kind of 3225 02:34:31,680 --> 02:34:34,560 what I just mentioned. Um, so the grant 3226 02:34:34,560 --> 02:34:36,479 process, the first is just identifying 3227 02:34:36,479 --> 02:34:38,319 opportunities. So this is just going out 3228 02:34:38,319 --> 02:34:40,560 and looking to see what there is to 3229 02:34:40,560 --> 02:34:42,560 apply for. 3230 02:34:42,560 --> 02:34:45,120 Um, the next step is once we do find 3231 02:34:45,120 --> 02:34:46,960 what we can apply for, we like to 3232 02:34:46,960 --> 02:34:48,800 evaluate to see if it's a good fit for 3233 02:34:48,800 --> 02:34:51,439 us. If there's anything in our CFP that 3234 02:34:51,439 --> 02:34:53,040 we could use that money for, then we 3235 02:34:53,040 --> 02:34:56,240 start to plan that project. Once we have 3236 02:34:56,240 --> 02:34:58,399 all the information we need, we go ahead 3237 02:34:58,399 --> 02:35:02,319 and apply for it. And then if we are 3238 02:35:02,319 --> 02:35:04,880 awarded, we'll negotiate any terms and 3239 02:35:04,880 --> 02:35:07,680 then get the contract signed. And then 3240 02:35:07,680 --> 02:35:09,920 after that, we just manage and report it 3241 02:35:09,920 --> 02:35:14,790 until that project is completed. 3242 02:35:14,800 --> 02:35:17,040 All right. So when we are looking for 3243 02:35:17,040 --> 02:35:18,720 grants to apply for, there's a few 3244 02:35:18,720 --> 02:35:21,439 things that we look at to make sure that 3245 02:35:21,439 --> 02:35:22,880 it's going to be a good fit for our 3246 02:35:22,880 --> 02:35:27,040 city. So the first is alignment. So, we 3247 02:35:27,040 --> 02:35:30,560 um are always going back to the CFP to 3248 02:35:30,560 --> 02:35:32,479 make sure it's in there. So, if there's 3249 02:35:32,479 --> 02:35:34,960 um a park we want to apply for or like 3250 02:35:34,960 --> 02:35:37,200 the UR grant, we'll look at the CFP and 3251 02:35:37,200 --> 02:35:39,280 see what projects are listed in there. 3252 02:35:39,280 --> 02:35:41,200 If we want to do a road project, we'll 3253 02:35:41,200 --> 02:35:42,880 go to streets and we'll look at the 3254 02:35:42,880 --> 02:35:45,120 streets that are listed um in that 3255 02:35:45,120 --> 02:35:48,720 section. So, that's a huge um basis for 3256 02:35:48,720 --> 02:35:52,640 the grants that we apply for. Um the 3257 02:35:52,640 --> 02:35:54,720 next is just fiscal responsibility. So 3258 02:35:54,720 --> 02:35:56,880 again, we want to make sure that we have 3259 02:35:56,880 --> 02:35:59,120 the funds um appropriated for that 3260 02:35:59,120 --> 02:36:03,760 specific project before we apply. 3261 02:36:03,760 --> 02:36:05,359 And then next, we just want to make sure 3262 02:36:05,359 --> 02:36:08,080 that it's going to impact our community 3263 02:36:08,080 --> 02:36:09,600 in a positive way and it's something 3264 02:36:09,600 --> 02:36:11,280 that we actually need and not just 3265 02:36:11,280 --> 02:36:15,760 something that we want. Um and then just 3266 02:36:15,760 --> 02:36:17,920 leveraging. So, we also try to make sure 3267 02:36:17,920 --> 02:36:22,720 that we um stretch those tax dollars as 3268 02:36:22,720 --> 02:36:24,640 best we can just to make sure that we're 3269 02:36:24,640 --> 02:36:30,070 getting all all of our taxpayers money. 3270 02:36:30,080 --> 02:36:32,479 » Okay. Um so, just going back over the 3271 02:36:32,479 --> 02:36:35,840 budget. So, we only apply for grants 3272 02:36:35,840 --> 02:36:37,920 when for the amount of money that we 3273 02:36:37,920 --> 02:36:40,000 have budgeted. So, we're going to be 3274 02:36:40,000 --> 02:36:41,680 sitting with Aspen. I'm sure she 3275 02:36:41,680 --> 02:36:44,319 actually already has it, but um and 3276 02:36:44,319 --> 02:36:47,680 setting specific funds aside for this ne 3277 02:36:47,680 --> 02:36:51,200 next fiscal year for um grants 3278 02:36:51,200 --> 02:36:54,399 specifically and then that way we know 3279 02:36:54,399 --> 02:36:56,640 what we can and can't apply for rather 3280 02:36:56,640 --> 02:36:59,680 than just kind of trying to figure it 3281 02:36:59,680 --> 02:37:01,760 out as we apply, but more so be more 3282 02:37:01,760 --> 02:37:04,640 prepared. Um and then again, we always 3283 02:37:04,640 --> 02:37:07,840 refer back to the CFP um when we're 3284 02:37:07,840 --> 02:37:12,080 trying to figure out what to apply for. 3285 02:37:12,080 --> 02:37:15,439 All right. Uh, right now we have 1.136 3286 02:37:15,439 --> 02:37:18,720 million dollar in active grant funds. So 3287 02:37:18,720 --> 02:37:20,800 these would be ones whether they've 3288 02:37:20,800 --> 02:37:23,200 already started in the past or they will 3289 02:37:23,200 --> 02:37:26,160 be starting pretty soon here. 3290 02:37:26,160 --> 02:37:28,560 Um, 3291 02:37:28,560 --> 02:37:32,160 these are our upcoming grants. So the 3292 02:37:32,160 --> 02:37:33,920 first one is the transportation 3293 02:37:33,920 --> 02:37:37,040 alternative or cap. This is a sidewalk 3294 02:37:37,040 --> 02:37:41,280 project and it will be 3295 02:37:41,280 --> 02:37:43,280 from Pork Street from Mountain Meadows 3296 02:37:43,280 --> 02:37:45,520 down to care. Then we'll put a crosswalk 3297 02:37:45,520 --> 02:37:47,520 at Pier Street. So that will just make 3298 02:37:47,520 --> 02:37:49,600 sure that those kids on the west side of 3299 02:37:49,600 --> 02:37:52,319 Pork Street can get to Willow safely, 3300 02:37:52,319 --> 02:37:53,840 that they'll have a dedicated sidewalk 3301 02:37:53,840 --> 02:37:57,520 on Park Street. And then we have Dery 3302 02:37:57,520 --> 02:37:59,520 Street from Kulie to West Street. So 3303 02:37:59,520 --> 02:38:03,040 right now on Dery, the sidewalk starts 3304 02:38:03,040 --> 02:38:05,520 at the junior high and it's continuous 3305 02:38:05,520 --> 02:38:07,439 all the way to Kulie Street and then it 3306 02:38:07,439 --> 02:38:10,160 stops. So this will just finish that 3307 02:38:10,160 --> 02:38:12,080 route all the way to West Street from 3308 02:38:12,080 --> 02:38:14,319 Kui to West Street and then there'll be 3309 02:38:14,319 --> 02:38:15,840 I think there is a crosswalk there 3310 02:38:15,840 --> 02:38:17,200 currently. So it will just finish that 3311 02:38:17,200 --> 02:38:19,359 last block and then all of their fee 3312 02:38:19,359 --> 02:38:21,280 will be completed from Virginia West 3313 02:38:21,280 --> 02:38:23,120 Street. 3314 02:38:23,120 --> 02:38:26,080 Um and then also the general plan. So 3315 02:38:26,080 --> 02:38:29,680 that one um was recently awarded as well 3316 02:38:29,680 --> 02:38:31,520 and that will just allow us to update 3317 02:38:31,520 --> 02:38:36,790 our agenda. 3318 02:38:36,800 --> 02:38:39,280 Okay. And then just a few grants on what 3319 02:38:39,280 --> 02:38:41,120 we're waiting on. And there's of course 3320 02:38:41,120 --> 02:38:43,280 like this is um not the whole list. This 3321 02:38:43,280 --> 02:38:44,960 is just 3322 02:38:44,960 --> 02:38:47,040 the the 3323 02:38:47,040 --> 02:38:49,760 one that picked. Um so the first one, 3324 02:38:49,760 --> 02:38:51,359 the highest one is the celestial 3325 02:38:51,359 --> 02:38:53,760 appropriations request. So we requested 3326 02:38:53,760 --> 02:39:01,040 5.425 million. This will um be to design 3327 02:39:01,040 --> 02:39:04,560 what do they call it? The te road that 3328 02:39:04,560 --> 02:39:05,680 the official name 3329 02:39:05,680 --> 02:39:08,479 >> the road highway 3330 02:39:08,479 --> 02:39:10,720 road it's got a lot of names. 3331 02:39:10,720 --> 02:39:13,760 >> Yeah. Well, whatever. 3332 02:39:13,760 --> 02:39:14,479 >> That road 3333 02:39:14,479 --> 02:39:17,670 >> right now. 3334 02:39:17,680 --> 02:39:19,760 » Yeah. Um so I've been getting some 3335 02:39:19,760 --> 02:39:21,680 selection emails and she is going 3336 02:39:21,680 --> 02:39:23,200 through those appropriation requests 3337 02:39:23,200 --> 02:39:26,319 now. So hopefully we hear back on that 3338 02:39:26,319 --> 02:39:28,880 one. Um the next one is the Scenic 3339 02:39:28,880 --> 02:39:31,280 Slopes Park Restroom and Savilion. So 3340 02:39:31,280 --> 02:39:33,040 this will be very very similar to the 3341 02:39:33,040 --> 02:39:35,200 one that they have at the peak by their 3342 02:39:35,200 --> 02:39:38,240 playground. So it will just have a 3343 02:39:38,240 --> 02:39:40,000 women's restroom, men's restroom will be 3344 02:39:40,000 --> 02:39:41,920 multiple stalls and then a pavilion 3345 02:39:41,920 --> 02:39:45,670 built off of that. 3346 02:39:45,680 --> 02:39:49,280 Um the bleachers for the rodeo ground, 3347 02:39:49,280 --> 02:39:51,359 this is one that Christy has gotten in 3348 02:39:51,359 --> 02:39:54,000 the past. So we re applied for the same 3349 02:39:54,000 --> 02:39:56,080 thing again. And this is going to come 3350 02:39:56,080 --> 02:39:58,240 from the Twilla Special Service District 3351 02:39:58,240 --> 02:40:00,800 is the one who get this one. So 3352 02:40:00,800 --> 02:40:02,880 hopefully we can get some new bleachers. 3353 02:40:02,880 --> 02:40:05,280 And then a firehouse subs grant. This is 3354 02:40:05,280 --> 02:40:07,120 for the fire department to try to get 3355 02:40:07,120 --> 02:40:10,800 them some um electric 3356 02:40:10,800 --> 02:40:14,160 extrication equipment. So some jaws of 3357 02:40:14,160 --> 02:40:22,630 play. 3358 02:40:22,640 --> 02:40:24,319 Okay. And then just grants. Why do 3359 02:40:24,319 --> 02:40:27,280 grants matter? So, um, they enhance 3360 02:40:27,280 --> 02:40:29,359 public safety and emergency 3361 02:40:29,359 --> 02:40:32,000 preparedness. They improves mobility and 3362 02:40:32,000 --> 02:40:33,520 accessibility. 3363 02:40:33,520 --> 02:40:35,120 They 3364 02:40:35,120 --> 02:40:37,760 create recreational opportunities for 3365 02:40:37,760 --> 02:40:39,840 all ages. 3366 02:40:39,840 --> 02:40:41,680 And then most importantly, it brings 3367 02:40:41,680 --> 02:40:43,840 outside funding into Grantsville. And 3368 02:40:43,840 --> 02:40:46,720 then it just helps us um accomplish more 3369 02:40:46,720 --> 02:40:49,200 than what we could with just the funds 3370 02:40:49,200 --> 02:40:53,830 that we have now. 3371 02:40:53,840 --> 02:40:55,439 Okay. And then just looking towards the 3372 02:40:55,439 --> 02:40:57,439 future. Um, so we'll continue to look 3373 02:40:57,439 --> 02:40:59,280 for grant opportunities that align with 3374 02:40:59,280 --> 02:41:01,920 our priorities in our CFP and then we'll 3375 02:41:01,920 --> 02:41:04,240 also look at strengthening partnerships 3376 02:41:04,240 --> 02:41:06,399 and looking for other ways to leverage 3377 02:41:06,399 --> 02:41:09,120 funding. Um, and then we'll just 3378 02:41:09,120 --> 02:41:12,240 continue on delivering projects um that 3379 02:41:12,240 --> 02:41:14,160 have long-term value and not serve our 3380 02:41:14,160 --> 02:41:17,190 community. 3381 02:41:17,200 --> 02:41:18,800 » That's great. 3382 02:41:18,800 --> 02:41:22,000 >> Thanks, Alexis. 3383 02:41:22,000 --> 02:41:24,880 >> Make it happen. Thanks so much. 3384 02:41:24,880 --> 02:41:27,359 I loved your pictures on your slides 3385 02:41:27,359 --> 02:41:34,150 here. 3386 02:41:34,160 --> 02:41:36,560 » I actually do have one question, Alexis. 3387 02:41:36,560 --> 02:41:38,720 >> So, you mentioned that it has to be if 3388 02:41:38,720 --> 02:41:40,479 we apply for a grant, it has to be in 3389 02:41:40,479 --> 02:41:43,520 the budget to make the match. So, what 3390 02:41:43,520 --> 02:41:45,680 happens if we come across a really great 3391 02:41:45,680 --> 02:41:47,600 opportunity for a grant, but we hadn't 3392 02:41:47,600 --> 02:41:50,640 put that in necessarily our grant budget 3393 02:41:50,640 --> 02:41:53,840 line? Um 3394 02:41:53,840 --> 02:41:57,200 but we feel like it's important. 3395 02:41:57,200 --> 02:41:59,520 Is there a means or way like let's just 3396 02:41:59,520 --> 02:42:04,479 say we wanted to use some funding from 3397 02:42:04,479 --> 02:42:06,960 maybe the water funds or whatever that 3398 02:42:06,960 --> 02:42:10,479 we decided no this is a good opportunity 3399 02:42:10,479 --> 02:42:12,560 we want to do that like how what is that 3400 02:42:12,560 --> 02:42:15,040 process just it's just you say nope 3401 02:42:15,040 --> 02:42:16,399 we're not doing that it's not in the 3402 02:42:16,399 --> 02:42:18,720 budget or like 3403 02:42:18,720 --> 02:42:21,920 >> no it depends so we could well of course 3404 02:42:21,920 --> 02:42:23,280 you would ask 3405 02:42:23,280 --> 02:42:25,840 >> yeah um but we could go back to city 3406 02:42:25,840 --> 02:42:27,920 council um So, for instance, when we 3407 02:42:27,920 --> 02:42:30,080 applied for I think phase two of Scenic 3408 02:42:30,080 --> 02:42:35,280 Slopes Park, we didn't have $2 million laying around. Um, so we came 3409 02:42:35,280 --> 02:42:38,800 back to city council and asked we re we 3410 02:42:38,800 --> 02:42:42,160 do for that one. Um, ask for part of the 3411 02:42:42,160 --> 02:42:44,560 water money to go towards that, right? 3412 02:42:44,560 --> 02:42:46,640 So, it was it hasn't been budgeted yet. 3413 02:42:46,640 --> 02:42:49,120 Um or we may pretty much we would come 3414 02:42:49,120 --> 02:42:51,280 back to city council and depending on 3415 02:42:51,280 --> 02:42:54,000 the cost and then have you guys um amend 3416 02:42:54,000 --> 02:42:56,720 the budget to allow us to pay for those 3417 02:42:56,720 --> 02:42:59,200 items. If they're smaller items, we 3418 02:42:59,200 --> 02:43:00,880 could typically just look at that 3419 02:43:00,880 --> 02:43:04,800 department's budget and see if maybe 3420 02:43:04,800 --> 02:43:06,479 they have enough in their budget 3421 02:43:06,479 --> 02:43:08,399 somewhere to where we can kind of move 3422 02:43:08,399 --> 02:43:10,800 funds around. But that's not like 3423 02:43:10,800 --> 02:43:12,240 standard. That's not something we would 3424 02:43:12,240 --> 02:43:13,680 want to do. We would just want to make 3425 02:43:13,680 --> 02:43:16,479 sure that they have enough money and if 3426 02:43:16,479 --> 02:43:19,200 so we would kind of ask the council. 3427 02:43:19,200 --> 02:43:19,760 >> All right. Thank you. 3428 02:43:19,760 --> 02:43:22,160 >> So we have some flexibility but 3429 02:43:22,160 --> 02:43:23,120 >> to a certain extent. 3430 02:43:23,120 --> 02:43:24,720 >> Yeah. Trying to stick to the budget 3431 02:43:24,720 --> 02:43:25,760 though. 3432 02:43:25,760 --> 02:43:27,040 >> It depends. 3433 02:43:27,040 --> 02:43:28,080 >> Yeah. 3434 02:43:28,080 --> 02:43:30,240 >> Resetting priorities. So you take money 3435 02:43:30,240 --> 02:43:31,840 from one spot to another spot saying 3436 02:43:31,840 --> 02:43:34,880 this is a higher priority. So yes 3437 02:43:34,880 --> 02:43:36,800 >> opportunity. Okay. 3438 02:43:36,800 --> 02:43:37,680 >> All right. Thank you. 3439 02:43:37,680 --> 02:43:39,600 >> Thank you. 3440 02:43:39,600 --> 02:43:40,720 >> Keep fighting for us. 3441 02:43:40,720 --> 02:43:43,840 >> That's right. 3442 02:43:43,840 --> 02:43:46,160 All right. Our next agenda item is item 3443 02:43:46,160 --> 02:43:47,680 number five. Training of roles and 3444 02:43:47,680 --> 02:43:49,680 responsibility of finance director 3445 02:43:49,680 --> 02:43:51,600 roles. 3446 02:43:51,600 --> 02:43:53,120 >> Are you plugging in yourself or do you 3447 02:43:53,120 --> 02:43:54,240 want to 3448 02:43:54,240 --> 02:43:56,399 >> either way when we get to the end 3449 02:43:56,399 --> 02:43:58,080 depending on how much they want to talk 3450 02:43:58,080 --> 02:43:59,439 about it. I'm going to want access to my 3451 02:43:59,439 --> 02:44:01,120 Excel sheet here. 3452 02:44:01,120 --> 02:44:29,590 >> Go ahead and plug in. Okay. 3453 02:44:29,600 --> 02:44:31,279 Oh, okay. I just like I don't know how 3454 02:44:31,279 --> 02:44:34,000 this works. 3455 02:44:34,000 --> 02:44:38,710 Okay. 3456 02:44:38,720 --> 02:44:42,000 cool. So, um I'll try to keep it 3457 02:44:42,000 --> 02:44:44,240 pretty high level. I know it's Friday. 3458 02:44:44,240 --> 02:44:46,560 Michael said 6:30. So, I'm going to try 3459 02:44:46,560 --> 02:44:49,439 and make it um we're going to do like a 3460 02:44:49,439 --> 02:44:51,439 brief overview of all of our general, 3461 02:44:51,439 --> 02:44:53,200 not all of our general funds, but all of 3462 02:44:53,200 --> 02:44:55,120 our funds. Um, as well as touch on 3463 02:44:55,120 --> 02:44:57,359 impact fees and fem 3464 02:44:57,359 --> 02:45:00,160 briefly touch on the budgeting process 3465 02:45:00,160 --> 02:45:01,920 and then a little bit of discussion 3466 02:45:01,920 --> 02:45:03,760 about sales tax and property tax and 3467 02:45:03,760 --> 02:45:05,520 then if we have questions at the end, 3468 02:45:05,520 --> 02:45:09,279 talk about it. Um, so we have several 3469 02:45:09,279 --> 02:45:11,120 different funds. When I send out those 3470 02:45:11,120 --> 02:45:12,720 monthly financials, they are separated 3471 02:45:12,720 --> 02:45:14,399 out along the top. You can see general 3472 02:45:14,399 --> 02:45:17,120 fund, you know, water fund, sewer fund, 3473 02:45:17,120 --> 02:45:19,760 garbage fund. Um, the general fund is 3474 02:45:19,760 --> 02:45:22,080 basically our day-to-day operations for 3475 02:45:22,080 --> 02:45:25,359 many of our departments. Um, our debt 3476 02:45:25,359 --> 02:45:28,399 services fund is where we make sure that 3477 02:45:28,399 --> 02:45:31,040 we can pay our loans, bonds, and other 3478 02:45:31,040 --> 02:45:33,279 outstanding debts that we have. Um, 3479 02:45:33,279 --> 02:45:35,520 capital projects fund is kind of a 3480 02:45:35,520 --> 02:45:38,640 catchall a little bit for preparing for 3481 02:45:38,640 --> 02:45:42,560 future large capital expenses 3482 02:45:42,560 --> 02:45:46,479 or general fund, not necessarily water 3483 02:45:46,479 --> 02:45:49,600 fund, sewer fund or garbage. Um, just 3484 02:45:49,600 --> 02:45:52,319 because those are enterprise funds or 3485 02:45:52,319 --> 02:45:54,800 proprietary funds. And so really the 3486 02:45:54,800 --> 02:45:57,120 capital projects should be to serve like 3487 02:45:57,120 --> 02:45:59,760 the general administrative general fund 3488 02:45:59,760 --> 02:46:01,840 departments, not so much our enterprise 3489 02:46:01,840 --> 02:46:04,960 fund departments. Um and then of course 3490 02:46:04,960 --> 02:46:08,319 the enterprise funds which are um water, 3491 02:46:08,319 --> 02:46:10,240 sewer and garbage and they're enterprise 3492 02:46:10,240 --> 02:46:11,840 funds because they kind of operate as a 3493 02:46:11,840 --> 02:46:14,880 business. So we have those utilities 3494 02:46:14,880 --> 02:46:17,840 they get like we're selling the service 3495 02:46:17,840 --> 02:46:19,920 and then they're basically self 3496 02:46:19,920 --> 02:46:23,600 sufficient ideally. 3497 02:46:23,600 --> 02:46:25,520 Um, so these are all of the departments 3498 02:46:25,520 --> 02:46:28,160 that are in our general fund. They get 3499 02:46:28,160 --> 02:46:30,960 re they get money from sales tax, 3500 02:46:30,960 --> 02:46:35,760 property tax, and then a lot of other 3501 02:46:35,760 --> 02:46:38,000 fund revenues, sometimes fines. We get 3502 02:46:38,000 --> 02:46:40,240 some um inner local government 3503 02:46:40,240 --> 02:46:43,760 agreements. Um, but mostly the big ones 3504 02:46:43,760 --> 02:46:46,880 are property tax and sales tax. Um, and 3505 02:46:46,880 --> 02:46:50,080 then this is basically just operating 3506 02:46:50,080 --> 02:46:52,640 expenses. They will have some dependent 3507 02:46:52,640 --> 02:46:55,120 on the year maybe capital but a lot of 3508 02:46:55,120 --> 02:46:56,640 that will be captured in the capital 3509 02:46:56,640 --> 02:46:59,040 projects fund. So really the general 3510 02:46:59,040 --> 02:47:01,680 fund is strictly for operations for 3511 02:47:01,680 --> 02:47:05,359 day-to-day function of the city to run. 3512 02:47:05,359 --> 02:47:06,479 So it's going to be like things like 3513 02:47:06,479 --> 02:47:09,279 salaries, benefits, their appropriate 3514 02:47:09,279 --> 02:47:12,080 bills for rock power dominion or excuse 3515 02:47:12,080 --> 02:47:14,640 me and bridge um the cost of our 3516 02:47:14,640 --> 02:47:17,840 vehicles supplies material that kind of 3517 02:47:17,840 --> 02:47:21,200 thing. just operations. 3518 02:47:21,200 --> 02:47:22,720 Um 3519 02:47:22,720 --> 02:47:24,240 like I had mentioned earlier, the debt 3520 02:47:24,240 --> 02:47:26,880 services is to cover our current debts 3521 02:47:26,880 --> 02:47:30,080 that we have for loans. Capital projects 3522 02:47:30,080 --> 02:47:32,319 um are things that we can start saving 3523 02:47:32,319 --> 02:47:34,479 for. You'll notice on our financials, we 3524 02:47:34,479 --> 02:47:36,399 do have one specific for like Scenic 3525 02:47:36,399 --> 02:47:39,680 Slopes, the Veterans Park, um ball 3526 02:47:39,680 --> 02:47:44,080 fields. Those are 3527 02:47:44,080 --> 02:47:45,760 capital projects that we have in 3528 02:47:45,760 --> 02:47:47,760 different sections that this council has 3529 02:47:47,760 --> 02:47:50,000 currently decided to put those funds 3530 02:47:50,000 --> 02:47:53,200 towards. However, it's kind of just a 3531 02:47:53,200 --> 02:47:56,240 formality because ultimately you can't 3532 02:47:56,240 --> 02:47:58,560 earmark the capital projects fund. So 3533 02:47:58,560 --> 02:48:00,319 like if you guys leave and we have new 3534 02:48:00,319 --> 02:48:01,600 council in and they're like, "Yeah, we 3535 02:48:01,600 --> 02:48:02,960 don't want to fund the veterans park 3536 02:48:02,960 --> 02:48:06,399 anymore." They you were not locked into 3537 02:48:06,399 --> 02:48:08,240 the veterans park necessarily. That's 3538 02:48:08,240 --> 02:48:12,080 just what's been selected currently. 3539 02:48:12,080 --> 02:48:14,880 And then for our enterprise funds, so 3540 02:48:14,880 --> 02:48:16,479 like I mentioned earlier, that's our 3541 02:48:16,479 --> 02:48:19,120 water, sewer, and garbage. Um the 3542 02:48:19,120 --> 02:48:21,040 revenues have to stay within that fund. 3543 02:48:21,040 --> 02:48:24,080 They can't be shared. Um our general 3544 02:48:24,080 --> 02:48:26,399 fund could be used to supplement an 3545 02:48:26,399 --> 02:48:33,760 enterprise fund uh relatively easily. We can't mostly because there's no money 3546 02:48:33,760 --> 02:48:36,720 to supplement them, but ultimately you 3547 02:48:36,720 --> 02:48:39,359 could. Um, however, transfers coming out 3548 02:48:39,359 --> 02:48:41,600 of an enterprise fund are a lot more 3549 02:48:41,600 --> 02:48:43,040 difficult. We would have to do public 3550 02:48:43,040 --> 02:48:46,080 hearings, public notices. Um, and then 3551 02:48:46,080 --> 02:48:48,560 you can do it as an option of a loan, 3552 02:48:48,560 --> 02:48:51,920 but um that so that way the general fund 3553 02:48:51,920 --> 02:48:54,800 can pay that back. Um, but that's what 3554 02:48:54,800 --> 02:48:56,640 we'll end up not the loan part, but we 3555 02:48:56,640 --> 02:48:58,560 will end up transferring out most likely 3556 02:48:58,560 --> 02:49:01,920 the 18 million for the water credit sale 3557 02:49:01,920 --> 02:49:03,200 because that will go into the water 3558 02:49:03,200 --> 02:49:05,359 fund, but in order to use that money for 3559 02:49:05,359 --> 02:49:07,120 other things, we'll have to transfer it 3560 02:49:07,120 --> 02:49:08,160 out. 3561 02:49:08,160 --> 02:49:09,600 >> So, 3562 02:49:09,600 --> 02:49:11,760 >> could I ask a question on that? That 3563 02:49:11,760 --> 02:49:12,880 last 3564 02:49:12,880 --> 02:49:15,040 >> What other services other than those 3565 02:49:15,040 --> 02:49:20,880 three could a city possibly have? Just curious if there was ever another 3566 02:49:20,880 --> 02:49:24,160 enterprise fund created, what what what 3567 02:49:24,160 --> 02:49:25,600 could that be? 3568 02:49:25,600 --> 02:49:27,760 >> We're currently doing a study the county 3569 02:49:27,760 --> 02:49:30,160 is and it's going to be a transportation 3570 02:49:30,160 --> 02:49:32,640 utility fee that would do that. So it 3571 02:49:32,640 --> 02:49:34,880 fall under this kind of a fee where you 3572 02:49:34,880 --> 02:49:36,720 could use it to only specifically for 3573 02:49:36,720 --> 02:49:38,640 that. So it' be like instead of like 3574 02:49:38,640 --> 02:49:41,359 increasing taxes for that, this utility 3575 02:49:41,359 --> 02:49:44,479 fee would now start to require like the 3576 02:49:44,479 --> 02:49:46,800 churches and schools to pay for the 3577 02:49:46,800 --> 02:49:48,560 impact on the roads. And so you could 3578 02:49:48,560 --> 02:49:51,760 use that fund for replacing roads, 3579 02:49:51,760 --> 02:49:53,520 building new roads, all sorts of things 3580 02:49:53,520 --> 02:49:54,720 like that. So that would be one of the 3581 02:49:54,720 --> 02:49:56,800 main ones that we could do. Other cities 3582 02:49:56,800 --> 02:49:58,640 have like a power company or they own 3583 02:49:58,640 --> 02:49:59,920 the gas company. 3584 02:49:59,920 --> 02:50:01,520 >> And so that would be another factor that 3585 02:50:01,520 --> 02:50:03,520 they would have. Could you have one set 3586 02:50:03,520 --> 02:50:06,479 up for just curious more of like a let's 3587 02:50:06,479 --> 02:50:11,040 say you had a recreation a rec center is what could that be set up as an 3588 02:50:11,040 --> 02:50:12,479 enterprise fund? 3589 02:50:12,479 --> 02:50:14,399 >> Yeah, it would be similar to what Tula 3590 02:50:14,399 --> 02:50:15,840 City does like they have their golf 3591 02:50:15,840 --> 02:50:17,680 course and they have a pool. 3592 02:50:17,680 --> 02:50:20,800 >> Um those are kind of a similar thing, 3593 02:50:20,800 --> 02:50:22,160 you know, like they pay a fee to go to 3594 02:50:22,160 --> 02:50:24,800 the pool and then those, you know, costs 3595 02:50:24,800 --> 02:50:25,439 help 3596 02:50:25,439 --> 02:50:26,160 >> pay for 3597 02:50:26,160 --> 02:50:27,200 >> sustain the pool. 3598 02:50:27,200 --> 02:50:27,600 >> Okay. 3599 02:50:27,600 --> 02:50:28,160 >> Yeah. 3600 02:50:28,160 --> 02:50:30,000 >> Okay. So, I was just curious. I mean, 3601 02:50:30,000 --> 02:50:31,680 we're not just locked into those three, 3602 02:50:31,680 --> 02:50:34,160 right? There are other ways in which you 3603 02:50:34,160 --> 02:50:35,760 can create enterprise funds with inside 3604 02:50:35,760 --> 02:50:36,880 of city. 3605 02:50:36,880 --> 02:50:37,359 >> Yeah. 3606 02:50:37,359 --> 02:50:40,630 >> Okay. 3607 02:50:40,640 --> 02:50:43,120 » Um, another way that we get money is 3608 02:50:43,120 --> 02:50:45,120 through impact fees. The intention of 3609 02:50:45,120 --> 02:50:48,000 impact fees is for the growth to pay for 3610 02:50:48,000 --> 02:50:50,560 the growth. Um, they are one-time 3611 02:50:50,560 --> 02:50:52,560 payments that are collected from our 3612 02:50:52,560 --> 02:50:54,560 developers when they come in. Um, and 3613 02:50:54,560 --> 02:50:57,520 the intention is to have them 3614 02:50:57,520 --> 02:51:00,560 that fee to help the city pay for the 3615 02:51:00,560 --> 02:51:03,040 cost of them coming on board to our 3616 02:51:03,040 --> 02:51:05,920 things. Um, Grantsville City, we have 3617 02:51:05,920 --> 02:51:08,000 five impact fees right now. Drinking 3618 02:51:08,000 --> 02:51:10,000 water, public safety, parks and wreck, 3619 02:51:10,000 --> 02:51:12,720 wastewater, and transportation. All of 3620 02:51:12,720 --> 02:51:15,279 those have to be used for what they were 3621 02:51:15,279 --> 02:51:17,760 collected for. So, you can't use park 3622 02:51:17,760 --> 02:51:20,960 impact fees to fund 3623 02:51:20,960 --> 02:51:22,960 like more public safety things. like 3624 02:51:22,960 --> 02:51:25,359 they have to be used for what they're 3625 02:51:25,359 --> 02:51:28,319 collected for and the development itself 3626 02:51:28,319 --> 02:51:30,000 has to benefit from it. So you can't 3627 02:51:30,000 --> 02:51:32,399 take impact fees from one area of town 3628 02:51:32,399 --> 02:51:34,160 to help develop another area. That 3629 02:51:34,160 --> 02:51:36,720 doesn't improve the development that 3630 02:51:36,720 --> 02:51:39,680 paid the impact fee. Um they're heavily 3631 02:51:39,680 --> 02:51:42,000 monitored and restricted by the state. 3632 02:51:42,000 --> 02:51:45,120 Um we do have to adopt an impact fee 3633 02:51:45,120 --> 02:51:47,439 plan which we do. We adjust that yearly 3634 02:51:47,439 --> 02:51:49,279 with Enzyme. We recently went through 3635 02:51:49,279 --> 02:51:50,560 that. So those will be getting 3636 02:51:50,560 --> 02:51:53,680 implemented soon. Um 3637 02:51:53,680 --> 02:51:56,319 and yes, so we do that yearly. Um here 3638 02:51:56,319 --> 02:51:58,080 are some just other restrictions kind of 3639 02:51:58,080 --> 02:51:59,279 like I mentioned. So they have to be 3640 02:51:59,279 --> 02:52:01,120 used for capital improvements. They 3641 02:52:01,120 --> 02:52:02,960 can't be used for operating expenses 3642 02:52:02,960 --> 02:52:05,840 like paying salaries or paying for 3643 02:52:05,840 --> 02:52:08,960 regular maintenance of things. Um there 3644 02:52:08,960 --> 02:52:12,160 has to be that clear connection. Um we 3645 02:52:12,160 --> 02:52:15,120 do have that port proportionality 3646 02:52:15,120 --> 02:52:17,279 requirement which we encountered when we 3647 02:52:17,279 --> 02:52:18,399 went through the wastewater treatment 3648 02:52:18,399 --> 02:52:22,240 plant. um only a specific portion that's 3649 02:52:22,240 --> 02:52:24,560 actually due to the new development can 3650 02:52:24,560 --> 02:52:28,960 be impact eligible. Um and then like I 3651 02:52:28,960 --> 02:52:30,240 had mentioned they're restricted by the 3652 02:52:30,240 --> 02:52:31,439 specific categories that they're 3653 02:52:31,439 --> 02:52:33,680 collected for. There are some geographic 3654 02:52:33,680 --> 02:52:35,439 limitations like I had said you can't 3655 02:52:35,439 --> 02:52:37,200 take impact fees from the west end of 3656 02:52:37,200 --> 02:52:39,600 town to do a project on the east end of 3657 02:52:39,600 --> 02:52:41,680 town. And then we do have 3658 02:52:41,680 --> 02:52:43,760 >> is there like a mile like you have to be 3659 02:52:43,760 --> 02:52:46,240 within so many miles or 3660 02:52:46,240 --> 02:52:48,560 >> um I'm not sure of a specific mileage 3661 02:52:48,560 --> 02:52:50,399 limitation. It would just have to I 3662 02:52:50,399 --> 02:52:53,680 imagine be like reasonably 3663 02:52:53,680 --> 02:52:54,800 so like 3664 02:52:54,800 --> 02:52:56,880 >> yeah I think we ran into that with 3665 02:52:56,880 --> 02:52:58,080 Scenic Slopes 3666 02:52:58,080 --> 02:53:00,560 >> because there was a a pool of money if I 3667 02:53:00,560 --> 02:53:01,760 remember right 3668 02:53:01,760 --> 02:53:04,640 >> that was impact fee eligible but it 3669 02:53:04,640 --> 02:53:07,359 needed to be utilized in that area. I 3670 02:53:07,359 --> 02:53:10,160 think that's why we decided to do slopes 3671 02:53:10,160 --> 02:53:11,680 was because it had to be used in that 3672 02:53:11,680 --> 02:53:11,920 area 3673 02:53:11,920 --> 02:53:13,120 >> and it was a significant amount of 3674 02:53:13,120 --> 02:53:14,319 money. If I remember right, it was like 3675 02:53:14,319 --> 02:53:15,040 400,000 3676 02:53:15,040 --> 02:53:16,720 >> which goes into her next thing which is 3677 02:53:16,720 --> 02:53:18,800 time limits and we were running out. 3678 02:53:18,800 --> 02:53:19,920 >> We were running out of time. Right. 3679 02:53:19,920 --> 02:53:22,720 >> So, we have seven years to use them, but 3680 02:53:22,720 --> 02:53:25,040 the intention of giving seven years is 3681 02:53:25,040 --> 02:53:27,359 sometimes like if you have a brand new 3682 02:53:27,359 --> 02:53:29,600 development that comes in with, you 3683 02:53:29,600 --> 02:53:32,160 know, smaller park impact fees, it does 3684 02:53:32,160 --> 02:53:33,920 give us the opportunity to kind of sit 3685 02:53:33,920 --> 02:53:35,680 on those while we let other developments 3686 02:53:35,680 --> 02:53:38,000 come in, pay those impact park impact 3687 02:53:38,000 --> 02:53:40,800 fees, which would give us like a better 3688 02:53:40,800 --> 02:53:42,800 park or a larger one to better serve 3689 02:53:42,800 --> 02:53:45,439 rather than using minimal funds to 3690 02:53:45,439 --> 02:53:48,479 create a small park, for instance. So it 3691 02:53:48,479 --> 02:53:51,439 does give you the opportunity to kind of 3692 02:53:51,439 --> 02:53:53,760 gather some up to pull them together for 3693 02:53:53,760 --> 02:53:59,429 a bigger benefit for that community. 3694 02:53:59,439 --> 02:54:02,479 Um similarly we have a fee and loo 3695 02:54:02,479 --> 02:54:05,279 option for developers. Um this gives 3696 02:54:05,279 --> 02:54:08,240 them the opportunity to pay a fee in 3697 02:54:08,240 --> 02:54:10,640 instead of providing a necessary in 3698 02:54:10,640 --> 02:54:12,080 infrastructure that would normally be 3699 02:54:12,080 --> 02:54:14,319 required. So this would be P and L of 3700 02:54:14,319 --> 02:54:16,960 roads, water, sewer, open space, 3701 02:54:16,960 --> 02:54:20,479 sidewalks or parks. Um 3702 02:54:20,479 --> 02:54:22,880 just generally speaking based on our 3703 02:54:22,880 --> 02:54:25,439 financials, we typically the most common 3704 02:54:25,439 --> 02:54:28,960 are sidewalks, parks, and open space. Um 3705 02:54:28,960 --> 02:54:33,040 it's basically so that we can collect it 3706 02:54:33,040 --> 02:54:34,720 again and then build it on a larger 3707 02:54:34,720 --> 02:54:38,560 scale later. Um they are similar to 3708 02:54:38,560 --> 02:54:40,960 impact fees like there are some similar 3709 02:54:40,960 --> 02:54:44,800 restrictions. Um, it's a 7-year usage. 3710 02:54:44,800 --> 02:54:47,120 Again, we do have to still report on it. 3711 02:54:47,120 --> 02:54:48,880 So, I have to submit a report and it 3712 02:54:48,880 --> 02:54:50,160 does need to be used for capital 3713 02:54:50,160 --> 02:54:52,960 projects. Um, but they're just slightly 3714 02:54:52,960 --> 02:54:56,720 less restrictive than these. 3715 02:54:56,720 --> 02:54:59,600 So, 3716 02:54:59,600 --> 02:55:01,439 um, 3717 02:55:01,439 --> 02:55:04,080 okay. So, for our budget process, we're 3718 02:55:04,080 --> 02:55:06,080 in the middle of this right now. You're 3719 02:55:06,080 --> 02:55:08,080 going to see me for a long time next 3720 02:55:08,080 --> 02:55:12,960 Wednesday. But um basically just we're 3721 02:55:12,960 --> 02:55:15,760 we do budget. I'm basically just the 3722 02:55:15,760 --> 02:55:18,399 message just the messenger. I don't make 3723 02:55:18,399 --> 02:55:21,120 decisions on what gets approved. You 3724 02:55:21,120 --> 02:55:24,080 guys the budget is yours. Um city 3725 02:55:24,080 --> 02:55:26,880 administration mayor and Michael do make 3726 02:55:26,880 --> 02:55:29,279 they are able to make recommendations to 3727 02:55:29,279 --> 02:55:31,279 the budget but ultimately it's your 3728 02:55:31,279 --> 02:55:33,840 guys's as far as decisions of approvals 3729 02:55:33,840 --> 02:55:35,520 or not. 3730 02:55:35,520 --> 02:55:37,120 Um, 3731 02:55:37,120 --> 02:55:39,279 with that, 3732 02:55:39,279 --> 02:55:42,080 the state, like I'm sure last year, you 3733 02:55:42,080 --> 02:55:44,160 know, the school district's tax increase 3734 02:55:44,160 --> 02:55:46,160 did not go through their truth and 3735 02:55:46,160 --> 02:55:47,920 taxation. They cracked down on 3736 02:55:47,920 --> 02:55:50,960 transparency of that. So, just as a 3737 02:55:50,960 --> 02:55:53,439 heads up, on Wednesday, we will be 3738 02:55:53,439 --> 02:55:56,720 making just a statement of declaration 3739 02:55:56,720 --> 02:56:00,160 that we are considering a tax increase. 3740 02:56:00,160 --> 02:56:03,120 We have to do that in case you guys ever 3741 02:56:03,120 --> 02:56:05,760 did want to consider it because if I 3742 02:56:05,760 --> 02:56:08,000 don't make the statement now, you can't 3743 02:56:08,000 --> 02:56:09,520 come back and say, "Hey, we'd like to 3744 02:56:09,520 --> 02:56:11,439 consider it because it's too late." So, 3745 02:56:11,439 --> 02:56:14,720 it by no means binds us to a tax 3746 02:56:14,720 --> 02:56:17,040 increase. It doesn't say that we're 3747 02:56:17,040 --> 02:56:19,359 going to do one. It just I have to make 3748 02:56:19,359 --> 02:56:20,960 the declaration that we are considering 3749 02:56:20,960 --> 02:56:21,600 it. So, 3750 02:56:21,600 --> 02:56:23,040 >> and that's the new rule they put out, 3751 02:56:23,040 --> 02:56:23,840 right? 3752 02:56:23,840 --> 02:56:25,120 >> Uh it was 3753 02:56:25,120 --> 02:56:25,840 >> newish rule. 3754 02:56:25,840 --> 02:56:27,439 >> Newish. It was last year, but a lot of 3755 02:56:27,439 --> 02:56:29,120 places didn't do it, which is why they 3756 02:56:29,120 --> 02:56:31,920 ended up not going through. So, just 3757 02:56:31,920 --> 02:56:34,000 letting you guys know. So, on Wednesday, 3758 02:56:34,000 --> 02:56:36,000 you guys don't panic. It by no means 3759 02:56:36,000 --> 02:56:38,000 binds us to anything. I just have to 3760 02:56:38,000 --> 02:56:40,160 state it. So, that will be on the 3761 02:56:40,160 --> 02:56:44,150 agenda. Um, 3762 02:56:44,160 --> 02:56:46,319 one, so I didn't want to touch on sales 3763 02:56:46,319 --> 02:56:48,160 tax just because I think that that's 3764 02:56:48,160 --> 02:56:52,080 kind of a um a misunderstanding of how 3765 02:56:52,080 --> 02:56:55,520 we get it. So basically here in the 3766 02:56:55,520 --> 02:56:58,720 state of Utah it goes into a pool. So 3767 02:56:58,720 --> 02:57:04,479 our city tax rate is 7%. Um of that 7% 3768 02:57:04,479 --> 02:57:09,120 we only get to keep one% directly. The 3769 02:57:09,120 --> 02:57:12,399 other 6% goes into a pool with the state 3770 02:57:12,399 --> 02:57:14,880 along with everyone else's and then it 3771 02:57:14,880 --> 02:57:16,640 gets compiled together and then 3772 02:57:16,640 --> 02:57:19,840 redistributed based on our population. 3773 02:57:19,840 --> 02:57:22,479 So um 3774 02:57:22,479 --> 02:57:24,960 yeah, we don't get like and it does help 3775 02:57:24,960 --> 02:57:26,800 for instance ours where we have such 3776 02:57:26,800 --> 02:57:29,359 little commercial, we actually do get a 3777 02:57:29,359 --> 02:57:31,840 bigger piece of the pie by being a by 3778 02:57:31,840 --> 02:57:34,000 this being the process rather than if we 3779 02:57:34,000 --> 02:57:37,760 just kept the full 7%. Um they do this 3780 02:57:37,760 --> 02:57:39,520 just to help out cities that might not 3781 02:57:39,520 --> 02:57:42,960 have as much commercial to help like 3782 02:57:42,960 --> 02:57:46,080 share the love a little bit. 3783 02:57:46,080 --> 02:57:47,840 Um this let's see if I can 3784 02:57:47,840 --> 02:57:49,200 >> Could I can I ask a question? 3785 02:57:49,200 --> 02:57:49,760 >> Yeah. 3786 02:57:49,760 --> 02:57:52,319 >> Um so 3787 02:57:52,319 --> 02:57:54,319 like for instance Salt Lake City I think 3788 02:57:54,319 --> 02:57:57,600 is 7.85%. 3789 02:57:57,600 --> 02:58:01,200 And West Valley City is 7.45%. 3790 02:58:01,200 --> 02:58:05,760 Park City is 8.5%. So, what determines 3791 02:58:05,760 --> 02:58:08,080 what that sales tax rate is for the 3792 02:58:08,080 --> 02:58:11,439 individual cities and and how come we're 3793 02:58:11,439 --> 02:58:14,479 lower right there than those other 3794 02:58:14,479 --> 02:58:16,000 entities? Just curious. 3795 02:58:16,000 --> 02:58:19,200 >> Yeah. So, okay. Sorry, I'm pulling it 3796 02:58:19,200 --> 02:58:21,760 up. So, that little I just clicked on 3797 02:58:21,760 --> 02:58:22,960 that link. 3798 02:58:22,960 --> 02:58:27,359 >> Okay. And so it brings us to 3799 02:58:27,359 --> 02:58:32,399 um this is the sales and use tax page on 3800 02:58:32,399 --> 02:58:35,439 the state tax commissions page. Um and 3801 02:58:35,439 --> 02:58:36,880 then if you come down here they have the 3802 02:58:36,880 --> 02:58:38,880 rate charts. So I've opened this last 3803 02:58:38,880 --> 02:58:41,600 one for April. And so this is the 3804 02:58:41,600 --> 02:58:46,720 different um types. So we are our number 3805 02:58:46,720 --> 02:58:49,040 is 2303 3806 02:58:49,040 --> 02:58:51,439 or 23023. 3807 02:58:51,439 --> 02:58:54,640 Let's see. It's not in any great order, 3808 02:58:54,640 --> 02:58:55,920 just so you're aware. So if you're 3809 02:58:55,920 --> 02:58:57,279 looking for Grantsville, it's not 3810 02:58:57,279 --> 02:58:59,279 alphabetical. It's not 3811 02:58:59,279 --> 02:59:01,520 >> It's here. So just Google it. This is 3812 02:59:01,520 --> 02:59:03,920 Tilla County down here in this section 3813 02:59:03,920 --> 02:59:04,960 here. 3814 02:59:04,960 --> 02:59:08,720 >> So um Gransville City is that 023 3815 02:59:08,720 --> 02:59:10,080 number. And then if you go all the way 3816 02:59:10,080 --> 02:59:11,439 over, then you can see that our grand 3817 02:59:11,439 --> 02:59:13,920 total is the seven%. 3818 02:59:13,920 --> 02:59:17,200 >> Along the top there's these small 3819 02:59:17,200 --> 02:59:20,240 letters um that indicate what the rates 3820 02:59:20,240 --> 02:59:22,080 that we have in Forest are. And then 3821 02:59:22,080 --> 02:59:26,160 these are what those are. So like the 3822 02:59:26,160 --> 02:59:29,600 um mass transit is the MT. Um then we 3823 02:59:29,600 --> 02:59:32,880 have the highway tax. We have um I 3824 02:59:32,880 --> 02:59:35,279 wonder if I can I don't want to make it 3825 02:59:35,279 --> 02:59:36,640 too small, but I also would like to be 3826 02:59:36,640 --> 02:59:40,800 able to see to show which line is ours. 3827 02:59:40,800 --> 02:59:43,760 >> Let's It's all good. We can see it. 3828 02:59:43,760 --> 02:59:44,399 >> Okay. 3829 02:59:44,399 --> 02:59:46,319 >> 23023, right? 3830 02:59:46,319 --> 02:59:50,479 >> Yes. Yes. And so we have the um ST which 3831 02:59:50,479 --> 02:59:53,200 is the state um the LS which is local 3832 02:59:53,200 --> 02:59:55,600 sales and use tax which is the 1% that 3833 02:59:55,600 --> 02:59:57,520 we get to keep and then there's the 3834 02:59:57,520 --> 02:59:58,960 county 3835 02:59:58,960 --> 03:00:01,600 >> option as well. And then we also have 3836 03:00:01,600 --> 03:00:03,200 this MT which like I had mentioned 3837 03:00:03,200 --> 03:00:05,680 before is the mass transit and then the 3838 03:00:05,680 --> 03:00:10,479 CT is the county transportation. Um 3839 03:00:10,479 --> 03:00:13,279 let's see AT is transportation 3840 03:00:13,279 --> 03:00:15,760 infrastructure and then we do have a 3841 03:00:15,760 --> 03:00:18,479 small one for our botanical cultural 3842 03:00:18,479 --> 03:00:21,600 zoos and things like that the CC one. So 3843 03:00:21,600 --> 03:00:25,920 >> interesting. um we could potentially if 3844 03:00:25,920 --> 03:00:29,760 we wanted to um go through and adopt 3845 03:00:29,760 --> 03:00:31,920 some of these other taxes that would 3846 03:00:31,920 --> 03:00:33,840 collect so some of these other ones that 3847 03:00:33,840 --> 03:00:35,600 have like a higher rate it's because 3848 03:00:35,600 --> 03:00:38,319 they have implemented more of these the 3849 03:00:38,319 --> 03:00:42,800 different options that we have um 3850 03:00:42,800 --> 03:00:43,279 but 3851 03:00:43,279 --> 03:00:47,120 >> what is RH it's hospitality or hospitals 3852 03:00:47,120 --> 03:00:48,080 >> is rural hospital 3853 03:00:48,080 --> 03:00:51,040 >> rural hospital tax 3854 03:00:51,040 --> 03:00:53,439 >> so if we stayed small and got a hospital 3855 03:00:53,439 --> 03:00:57,359 then you know um 3856 03:00:57,359 --> 03:01:00,000 >> but yeah and so this they publish every 3857 03:01:00,000 --> 03:01:02,319 month um it's just available on that 3858 03:01:02,319 --> 03:01:04,960 website but um and then they do 3859 03:01:04,960 --> 03:01:06,640 summarize changes at the end just 3860 03:01:06,640 --> 03:01:09,439 because there's not a lot of changes 3861 03:01:09,439 --> 03:01:10,640 typically 3862 03:01:10,640 --> 03:01:12,720 >> we probably don't qualify for the resort 3863 03:01:12,720 --> 03:01:14,319 community 3864 03:01:14,319 --> 03:01:15,920 >> unfort Oh, yes we do. 3865 03:01:15,920 --> 03:01:18,880 >> So, 3866 03:01:18,880 --> 03:01:20,319 >> you got White Rock up there. That's a 3867 03:01:20,319 --> 03:01:22,640 resort. 3868 03:01:22,640 --> 03:01:24,800 >> Maybe we could do special sturgeon 3869 03:01:24,800 --> 03:01:25,600 fishing. 3870 03:01:25,600 --> 03:01:26,399 >> That's right. 3871 03:01:26,399 --> 03:01:28,319 >> There you go. Guided trips on the 3872 03:01:28,319 --> 03:01:28,880 Grantsville 3873 03:01:28,880 --> 03:01:33,120 >> res. Exactly. 3874 03:01:33,120 --> 03:01:35,840 >> Um, so that's sales tax. 3875 03:01:35,840 --> 03:01:38,080 >> Um, so this is just kind of an overview 3876 03:01:38,080 --> 03:01:40,560 of property taxes. 3877 03:01:40,560 --> 03:01:43,200 Um, our current property tax rate for 3878 03:01:43,200 --> 03:01:46,479 last year was 001368. 3879 03:01:46,479 --> 03:01:48,399 Um, the average value of a home here in 3880 03:01:48,399 --> 03:01:51,760 Gransville City is 530,000. 3881 03:01:51,760 --> 03:01:53,520 Um, that was provided by the county. I 3882 03:01:53,520 --> 03:01:57,359 called them yesterday. So, um, residents 3883 03:01:57,359 --> 03:02:00,560 do get the primary residence 3884 03:02:00,560 --> 03:02:02,640 discount, which is basically 55%. So, 3885 03:02:02,640 --> 03:02:04,880 they're taxed on 55% of the value of 3886 03:02:04,880 --> 03:02:08,960 their home. Um and then the county does 3887 03:02:08,960 --> 03:02:10,560 offer the abatement programs that are 3888 03:02:10,560 --> 03:02:12,479 offered through the state. Um which are 3889 03:02:12,479 --> 03:02:14,000 things like the circuit breaker, 3890 03:02:14,000 --> 03:02:15,840 veterans, indigent nonprofit and 3891 03:02:15,840 --> 03:02:17,600 religious organizations also get a tax 3892 03:02:17,600 --> 03:02:22,080 break. But for this year the um so the 3893 03:02:22,080 --> 03:02:23,920 circuit breaker and indigen are based on 3894 03:02:23,920 --> 03:02:26,080 your age and income level. So if you're 3895 03:02:26,080 --> 03:02:28,560 considered low income which the state 3896 03:02:28,560 --> 03:02:31,279 changes this value this amount every 3897 03:02:31,279 --> 03:02:35,680 year but for this year it's 44,221. 3898 03:02:35,680 --> 03:02:40,160 So if you make less than that in 2025 3899 03:02:40,160 --> 03:02:42,080 then you can qualify for the circuit 3900 03:02:42,080 --> 03:02:46,000 breaker or indigent and then um the for 3901 03:02:46,000 --> 03:02:47,520 the circuit breaker you have to be older 3902 03:02:47,520 --> 03:02:51,120 than 65. So 66 and plus um but that 3903 03:02:51,120 --> 03:02:53,520 means you automatically would get a 3904 03:02:53,520 --> 03:02:56,880 relief program. So they just have 3905 03:02:56,880 --> 03:02:58,560 different programs to apply for 3906 03:02:58,560 --> 03:03:00,800 typically by September 1st. So if you 3907 03:03:00,800 --> 03:03:03,439 guys want to spread that around, it does 3908 03:03:03,439 --> 03:03:07,040 help our lowincome households be able to 3909 03:03:07,040 --> 03:03:08,560 pay their property taxes. 3910 03:03:08,560 --> 03:03:11,200 >> But with our property taxes, so a a 3911 03:03:11,200 --> 03:03:14,560 resident is taxed on just 55 a discount 3912 03:03:14,560 --> 03:03:16,319 of 55% 3913 03:03:16,319 --> 03:03:18,080 >> is what they're taxed on with their 3914 03:03:18,080 --> 03:03:21,359 property tax, but a business is the full 3915 03:03:21,359 --> 03:03:23,520 100%. Is that correct? And that's why 3916 03:03:23,520 --> 03:03:25,840 it's so critical 3917 03:03:25,840 --> 03:03:29,359 to increase that commercial side of our 3918 03:03:29,359 --> 03:03:30,800 revenue stream. 3919 03:03:30,800 --> 03:03:33,680 >> Correct. And typically like the you know 3920 03:03:33,680 --> 03:03:35,439 the value of a commercial property is 3921 03:03:35,439 --> 03:03:36,960 going to be higher than the value of a 3922 03:03:36,960 --> 03:03:40,080 residential anyway. And then yeah they 3923 03:03:40,080 --> 03:03:42,880 would be paying 100% of their of the 3924 03:03:42,880 --> 03:03:45,680 property tax on the value of 100% rather 3925 03:03:45,680 --> 03:03:48,240 than a residential is 3926 03:03:48,240 --> 03:03:50,720 give or take. 3927 03:03:50,720 --> 03:03:53,279 >> Just one other thing that I think we we 3928 03:03:53,279 --> 03:03:56,160 went through this last year, but our 3929 03:03:56,160 --> 03:03:59,920 property tax rate went up as as 3930 03:03:59,920 --> 03:04:02,720 individuals countywise, but our rate 3931 03:04:02,720 --> 03:04:03,920 actually went down because it's 3932 03:04:03,920 --> 03:04:07,520 proportional to that amount. So, I think 3933 03:04:07,520 --> 03:04:11,279 if I remember right, um the mayor made 3934 03:04:11,279 --> 03:04:13,520 it a point that actually Grantsville's 3935 03:04:13,520 --> 03:04:15,840 portion of that rate actually was 3936 03:04:15,840 --> 03:04:18,560 decreased. And it and it's I would say 3937 03:04:18,560 --> 03:04:20,240 consistently done that, but it's it's 3938 03:04:20,240 --> 03:04:22,000 done that in the past. If I remember 3939 03:04:22,000 --> 03:04:24,319 like last year was that year that it did 3940 03:04:24,319 --> 03:04:25,040 that. 3941 03:04:25,040 --> 03:04:25,920 >> Correct. Sure. 3942 03:04:25,920 --> 03:04:26,960 >> Yeah. 3943 03:04:26,960 --> 03:04:30,240 >> And so typically the um because it's 3944 03:04:30,240 --> 03:04:31,920 evaluated every year. So we actually 3945 03:04:31,920 --> 03:04:33,680 don't have our certified tax rate yet 3946 03:04:33,680 --> 03:04:36,319 for this year. Um the state hasn't 3947 03:04:36,319 --> 03:04:38,800 released that information yet and the 3948 03:04:38,800 --> 03:04:40,640 assessors don't even have to have our 3949 03:04:40,640 --> 03:04:43,439 values in until June 8th. So we're a 3950 03:04:43,439 --> 03:04:47,359 little it's early. Um but typically if 3951 03:04:47,359 --> 03:04:49,279 the value goes up then the tax rate will 3952 03:04:49,279 --> 03:04:51,200 go down like if the overall values go 3953 03:04:51,200 --> 03:04:54,960 up. Um but and then it's like an inverse 3954 03:04:54,960 --> 03:04:57,840 relationship. So the opposite be true as 3955 03:04:57,840 --> 03:05:02,000 well. But um just to kind of put it into 3956 03:05:02,000 --> 03:05:07,269 perspective a little bit. I did pull 3957 03:05:07,279 --> 03:05:10,710 um 3958 03:05:10,720 --> 03:05:13,279 some property tax 3959 03:05:13,279 --> 03:05:15,120 info. 3960 03:05:15,120 --> 03:05:17,760 Um just so these are what the taxable 3961 03:05:17,760 --> 03:05:20,960 revenue um was for calendar year 21 22 3962 03:05:20,960 --> 03:05:23,359 23 24 25 3963 03:05:23,359 --> 03:05:28,479 um and so you can see like as the 3964 03:05:28,479 --> 03:05:30,160 taxable value went up our rate was 3965 03:05:30,160 --> 03:05:33,840 actually going down. Um but then this 3966 03:05:33,840 --> 03:05:35,520 year 3967 03:05:35,520 --> 03:05:38,640 um excuse me sorry in 24 the taxable 3968 03:05:38,640 --> 03:05:40,240 value went down and so our rate actually 3969 03:05:40,240 --> 03:05:42,240 went back up from where it had been a 3970 03:05:42,240 --> 03:05:45,920 year prior. Um, so on average with no 3971 03:05:45,920 --> 03:05:48,560 tax increase, we typically collect an 3972 03:05:48,560 --> 03:05:52,240 extra 117ish,000 3973 03:05:52,240 --> 03:05:54,080 every year in tax. So 3974 03:05:54,080 --> 03:05:55,520 >> the last five years. 3975 03:05:55,520 --> 03:05:56,720 >> Yeah, that's correct. 3976 03:05:56,720 --> 03:05:59,359 >> So that'd be like your growth. 3977 03:05:59,359 --> 03:06:02,000 >> Yeah. So, 3978 03:06:02,000 --> 03:06:04,240 >> but we also just learned that our 3979 03:06:04,240 --> 03:06:06,560 increase for our employee benefits went 3980 03:06:06,560 --> 03:06:08,560 up almost that much. So there went our 3981 03:06:08,560 --> 03:06:11,600 extra right there just in 3982 03:06:11,600 --> 03:06:14,160 increase to 3983 03:06:14,160 --> 03:06:18,080 our price for benefits. 3984 03:06:18,080 --> 03:06:19,840 >> Great. 3985 03:06:19,840 --> 03:06:21,680 Okay. 3986 03:06:21,680 --> 03:06:23,760 >> That's great. 3987 03:06:23,760 --> 03:06:24,640 >> Is that everything? 3988 03:06:24,640 --> 03:06:24,880 >> Yeah. 3989 03:06:24,880 --> 03:06:26,640 >> You want to show any questions? 3990 03:06:26,640 --> 03:06:27,120 >> Sorry. 3991 03:06:27,120 --> 03:06:29,680 >> The tax breakdown 3992 03:06:29,680 --> 03:06:30,399 percentage. 3993 03:06:30,399 --> 03:06:34,720 >> Oh, sure. So with that, like if 3994 03:06:34,720 --> 03:06:37,680 so, let's say we did a 50% 3995 03:06:37,680 --> 03:06:39,520 increase from what the tax rate was last 3996 03:06:39,520 --> 03:06:42,640 year. Um, this does have I had it broken 3997 03:06:42,640 --> 03:06:46,000 out for the impact um would be. So like 3998 03:06:46,000 --> 03:06:48,240 on a resident with I just put in the 3999 03:06:48,240 --> 03:06:50,880 average value based on what the county 4000 03:06:50,880 --> 03:06:54,080 had told me. So right now we would get 4001 03:06:54,080 --> 03:06:57,120 $400 from that house for in property 4002 03:06:57,120 --> 03:07:00,640 taxes. Um, if there was a 50% increase 4003 03:07:00,640 --> 03:07:03,200 arbitrary, right, to be sure, this is 4004 03:07:03,200 --> 03:07:06,640 just for presentation sake, it would be 4005 03:07:06,640 --> 03:07:08,720 almost $600 from the house, which would 4006 03:07:08,720 --> 03:07:10,800 mean their yearly increase was about 4007 03:07:10,800 --> 03:07:13,520 $200, which would change their monthly 4008 03:07:13,520 --> 03:07:15,840 payment $16. 4009 03:07:15,840 --> 03:07:19,120 So, and then I also put in a commercial 4010 03:07:19,120 --> 03:07:21,279 as an example as well of how much we 4011 03:07:21,279 --> 03:07:24,800 would get from commercial. 4012 03:07:24,800 --> 03:07:26,160 >> Could you show them what tool is that 4013 03:07:26,160 --> 03:07:29,040 right now compared to where we're at? 4014 03:07:29,040 --> 03:07:30,479 They just increased theirs. 4015 03:07:30,479 --> 03:07:31,600 >> Yeah. 4016 03:07:31,600 --> 03:07:33,600 >> So based on what Twill's rates was last 4017 03:07:33,600 --> 03:07:36,240 year, that's 81% higher than what we're 4018 03:07:36,240 --> 03:07:41,520 at. Um so that would be an extra $27 a 4019 03:07:41,520 --> 03:07:45,279 month for people here based on our 4020 03:07:45,279 --> 03:07:48,469 value. 4021 03:07:48,479 --> 03:07:51,520 » And in our documentation for next week, 4022 03:07:51,520 --> 03:07:53,840 we're proposing a what increase? 4023 03:07:53,840 --> 03:07:54,880 >> I can't say. 4024 03:07:54,880 --> 03:07:57,520 >> Okay. Not yet. That's not on the agenda. 4025 03:07:57,520 --> 03:08:00,319 Yes. For 10,00. 4026 03:08:00,319 --> 03:08:02,479 >> Yeah, I'm thinking 1000%. Sounds good. 4027 03:08:02,479 --> 03:08:03,520 Thank you, guys. 4028 03:08:03,520 --> 03:08:05,520 >> Well, you didn't you were the Jeopardy 4029 03:08:05,520 --> 03:08:07,439 referring to you've been referring to 4030 03:08:07,439 --> 03:08:09,760 the the Jeopardy quiz. 4031 03:08:09,760 --> 03:08:11,279 >> It depends. 4032 03:08:11,279 --> 03:08:12,000 >> Yeah. 4033 03:08:12,000 --> 03:08:12,560 So, 4034 03:08:12,560 --> 03:08:15,439 >> it depends. 4035 03:08:15,439 --> 03:08:16,399 >> But again, this is 4036 03:08:16,399 --> 03:08:17,840 >> took me like five to figure that out. 4037 03:08:17,840 --> 03:08:20,080 >> A projection. 4038 03:08:20,080 --> 03:08:21,760 >> It's just a projection because we don't 4039 03:08:21,760 --> 03:08:24,080 know that valuation yet. So everything 4040 03:08:24,080 --> 03:08:26,960 that she's gonna present is going to be 4041 03:08:26,960 --> 03:08:28,720 a speculation 4042 03:08:28,720 --> 03:08:30,000 we verified. 4043 03:08:30,000 --> 03:08:32,800 >> Like I'm gonna be wrong for sure. So 4044 03:08:32,800 --> 03:08:33,279 >> there she is. 4045 03:08:33,279 --> 03:08:34,399 >> I'm not I'm going to buy a lottery 4046 03:08:34,399 --> 03:08:35,840 ticket. 4047 03:08:35,840 --> 03:08:37,439 >> Do you put a,000%. 4048 03:08:37,439 --> 03:08:38,240 >> Yeah. 4049 03:08:38,240 --> 03:08:41,840 >> Wow. Okay. So monthly increase 330 4050 03:08:41,840 --> 03:08:42,560 bucks. 4051 03:08:42,560 --> 03:08:43,200 >> Yeah. 4052 03:08:43,200 --> 03:08:45,200 Well, I mean 4053 03:08:45,200 --> 03:08:47,439 >> that's a 4054 03:08:47,439 --> 03:08:50,479 >> it'll be the end. 4055 03:08:50,479 --> 03:08:52,240 We've had some discussions in the past 4056 03:08:52,240 --> 03:08:55,680 about point of sale sales tax. Where's 4057 03:08:55,680 --> 03:08:56,960 that factored in? 4058 03:08:56,960 --> 03:08:58,880 >> So that's in our sales tax report that 4059 03:08:58,880 --> 03:09:01,520 we get every month. So that's just from 4060 03:09:01,520 --> 03:09:02,960 in distribution from the state. So 4061 03:09:02,960 --> 03:09:04,800 that's considered in our portion of the 4062 03:09:04,800 --> 03:09:07,279 1% that we get to keep our point of 4063 03:09:07,279 --> 03:09:11,600 sale. So I do actually get a I have 4064 03:09:11,600 --> 03:09:13,680 access I had to sign like NDA and stuff. 4065 03:09:13,680 --> 03:09:17,040 So, um, but I can get a report every 4066 03:09:17,040 --> 03:09:18,960 month and it breaks down how much we get 4067 03:09:18,960 --> 03:09:20,720 from 4068 03:09:20,720 --> 03:09:23,920 our like local businesses and we do get 4069 03:09:23,920 --> 03:09:26,240 point of sale things for like Amazon, 4070 03:09:26,240 --> 03:09:28,720 Target, Costco, Walmart, shopping 4071 03:09:28,720 --> 03:09:30,720 online, things like that because they do 4072 03:09:30,720 --> 03:09:32,160 happen in the city, 4073 03:09:32,160 --> 03:09:35,120 >> but a lot at 180 Easter. 4074 03:09:35,120 --> 03:09:36,000 >> Yeah. 4075 03:09:36,000 --> 03:09:37,279 >> Could I just reiterate that on the 4076 03:09:37,279 --> 03:09:40,399 record? Walmart delivery. 4077 03:09:40,399 --> 03:09:40,880 >> Yes. 4078 03:09:40,880 --> 03:09:43,040 >> That comes to Grantsville. the sales 4079 03:09:43,040 --> 03:09:43,520 tax. 4080 03:09:43,520 --> 03:09:45,120 >> Yeah. Yeah. 4081 03:09:45,120 --> 03:09:46,560 >> Costco delivery. 4082 03:09:46,560 --> 03:09:48,000 >> One, they deliver out here and then two, 4083 03:09:48,000 --> 03:09:51,120 you could get a little I mean, 4084 03:09:51,120 --> 03:09:54,479 >> a little something from it. 4085 03:09:54,479 --> 03:09:58,000 >> So, we we talked about trying to 4086 03:09:58,000 --> 03:09:59,840 we've had some push back from the 4087 03:09:59,840 --> 03:10:02,800 citizens on just developing commercial 4088 03:10:02,800 --> 03:10:06,319 or trying to get businesses. And we we 4089 03:10:06,319 --> 03:10:08,880 talked about just trying to disclose or 4090 03:10:08,880 --> 03:10:11,279 show them that 4091 03:10:11,279 --> 03:10:13,920 value that's coming to the city. 4092 03:10:13,920 --> 03:10:16,479 >> I mean, is that at one point I think 4093 03:10:16,479 --> 03:10:19,760 Sherry put a link on the website to try 4094 03:10:19,760 --> 03:10:22,240 and or maybe it was just talked about, 4095 03:10:22,240 --> 03:10:24,880 but we're going to just try to track the 4096 03:10:24,880 --> 03:10:27,680 benefit of businesses coming. Is that 4097 03:10:27,680 --> 03:10:29,760 something that's worth tracking? is that 4098 03:10:29,760 --> 03:10:32,319 >> yeah I mean we could even look back like 4099 03:10:32,319 --> 03:10:35,279 however like I could pull a report from 4100 03:10:35,279 --> 03:10:38,800 you know 5 10 seven last year however 4101 03:10:38,800 --> 03:10:40,640 far back that we want to look just as 4102 03:10:40,640 --> 03:10:42,399 we've noticed like some businesses 4103 03:10:42,399 --> 03:10:45,279 growing here and just see how much our 4104 03:10:45,279 --> 03:10:47,520 portion has gone up for that collection 4105 03:10:47,520 --> 03:10:49,680 for the sales tax. It'd just be nice to 4106 03:10:49,680 --> 03:10:51,760 let the citizens know that there's 4107 03:10:51,760 --> 03:10:53,040 benefits. 4108 03:10:53,040 --> 03:10:53,520 >> Yeah. 4109 03:10:53,520 --> 03:10:57,040 >> For having them here, but 4110 03:10:57,040 --> 03:10:59,600 I don't know how much work that is. 4111 03:10:59,600 --> 03:11:01,520 >> Yeah, we we can look for sure because 4112 03:11:01,520 --> 03:11:03,200 even just doing the summary sheet, I 4113 03:11:03,200 --> 03:11:04,800 could share and we can just put them up 4114 03:11:04,800 --> 03:11:06,960 there as far as what we were getting 4115 03:11:06,960 --> 03:11:09,120 like this month versus what we were 4116 03:11:09,120 --> 03:11:11,120 getting this month five years ago, you 4117 03:11:11,120 --> 03:11:13,359 know, just kind of give a comparison of 4118 03:11:13,359 --> 03:11:15,920 the benefit that we've had from that 4119 03:11:15,920 --> 03:11:20,870 growth. Perfect. 4120 03:11:20,880 --> 03:11:21,840 » Okay. 4121 03:11:21,840 --> 03:11:22,479 >> Thank you. 4122 03:11:22,479 --> 03:11:26,550 >> You're welcome. 4123 03:11:26,560 --> 03:11:27,920 » Well done. We're excited for next 4124 03:11:27,920 --> 03:11:28,800 Wednesday. 4125 03:11:28,800 --> 03:11:32,960 >> Oh, are we work meeting, right? 4126 03:11:32,960 --> 03:11:35,439 >> Next Wednesday. No, it's it's a regular 4127 03:11:35,439 --> 03:11:35,760 meeting. 4128 03:11:35,760 --> 03:11:38,479 >> It's just a long regular meeting. 4129 03:11:38,479 --> 03:11:40,479 We should probably keep the mills here 4130 03:11:40,479 --> 03:11:42,080 for next week. 4131 03:11:42,080 --> 03:11:44,640 >> Say what? Make it a work meeting. Are we 4132 03:11:44,640 --> 03:11:46,640 going to start at the same time? Seven. 4133 03:11:46,640 --> 03:11:48,319 Seven. 4134 03:11:48,319 --> 03:11:49,279 >> Okay. 4135 03:11:49,279 --> 03:11:50,399 >> That one we have to with all the 4136 03:11:50,399 --> 03:11:53,439 requirements with the um rules. That one 4137 03:11:53,439 --> 03:11:55,359 is kind of a set. We can't change the 4138 03:11:55,359 --> 03:11:57,200 time or don't want to because it makes 4139 03:11:57,200 --> 03:11:58,319 it complicated. 4140 03:11:58,319 --> 03:12:01,680 >> Hey, it depends. 4141 03:12:01,680 --> 03:12:05,279 >> It depends one. 4142 03:12:05,279 --> 03:12:08,080 >> All right. Um 4143 03:12:08,080 --> 03:12:10,319 that concludes our training and item 4144 03:12:10,319 --> 03:12:13,439 number five. Our next item agenda number 4145 03:12:13,439 --> 03:12:15,600 agenda item number six is to adjurnn. If 4146 03:12:15,600 --> 03:12:16,399 I have a motion to 4147 03:12:16,399 --> 03:12:18,160 >> I make a motion we adjourn. 4148 03:12:18,160 --> 03:12:19,520 >> I'll second. 4149 03:12:19,520 --> 03:12:20,720 >> All in favor? 4150 03:12:20,720 --> 03:12:22,240 >> I 4151 03:12:22,240 --> 03:12:23,600 >> go mammoth. 4152 03:12:23,600 --> 03:12:26,760 >> That's right.