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» Are you ready, Alicia?

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>> Welcome everybody. We will call this

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meeting to order. This is a regular

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meeting and public hearing of the

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Grantsville City Council. For the

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record, today's date is May 6th, 2026,

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and the time is 7 p.m. This meeting is

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being held at the Grantsville City

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Chambers located at 429 East Main

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Street, Grantsville, Utah. as well as uh

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by Zoom. I am Mayor Mayor Heidi Hammond

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and I will conduct a roll call. Council

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member Thomas

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>> here.

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>> Williams

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>> here.

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>> Butler

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>> here.

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>> Dalton

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>> here.

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>> Skinner

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>> Thank you. Next, I've asked Les Peterson

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to lead us in the pledge of allegiance.

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» When the command is given, I would ask

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you to render the proper respect for our

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flag. After which I'll ask you to follow

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me on the pledge of allegiance.

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President armed.

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I aliance to the flag of the United

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States of America and to the republic

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for which it stands. One nation under

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God, indivisible with liberty and

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justice for all.

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Thank you, Les.

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» All right. Um, I just want to make a

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statement to everybody who is here. The

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item number seven and eight

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um has been requested to be tabled. So,

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we will not be taking public comment on

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those items. It will be moved to the May

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20th meeting. Uh but we will open

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um the time up for agenda item number

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one which is public comment. And for the

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record, there was one p public comment

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received from Christa McFarland and that

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is will be included in the meeting

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packet that's available online. Uh the

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floor is open to the public to bring

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their concerns to the council.

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And if you're on Zoom and would like to

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make a comment, please raise your hand.

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make a public comment, this is your time

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to please come forward.

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I might as well start it off.

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>> You should. Yes. I'm Dian Al.

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Um I don't know what's on the agenda for

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tonight if it was at the um how we were

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going to do low income uh budgeting for

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the sewer target.

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>> So that's what I wanted to comment

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so I know a lot of a lot of

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organizations, cities, um the phone

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company, other companies do something

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where they take a fee from the bill to

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go towards local income um and I don't know what your proposal

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is for our city, but to me it feels like

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that's taking from the bridge and giving

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to the courting the rich and giving to

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the poor Robin do where we don't really

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have a say in where that money is going

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to and if we're going to help these

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people or not. I know it's a really

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humane thing to do and to help those

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that need help, but you're not giving me

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a say in that. You're just taking my

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money and deciding what you're going to

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do with it. So my idea is if you would

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at least ask us for a donation to go

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towards um contributing to those that

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can afford the sewer bill and instead of

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just taking uh money that from our bill

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and putting in to that cost. So that's

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what I want to bring up with you

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>> We do have Lisa.

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>> Um, yeah. Can you hear me?

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>> Could you please state your full name

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for the record, please?

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>> Lisa Lingual. I'm at 189 East Elizabeth

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Cove.

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sewer and our expenses and how you guys

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are going to raise our taxes

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significantly. Now, um I recently sent

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every one of you an email

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regarding this and a couple of other

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things. And I just want to stay say that

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I didn't get a reply from any of you

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which he never did follow up with me

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either, but I just want to say how

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discouraging that is to me as a citizen.

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That's all. Thank you.

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>> Yes. Can I Ray?

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and I just want to um comment on the the

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raise of taxes and I know that the city

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is in a pinch in a lot of different

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ways. Um, but our water and sewer has

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just gone up a lot and it's going to go

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up again and now our taxes are going to

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go up. Um, and I'm not happy myself and you know we'll

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find a way to pay it. But some of these

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seniors on fixed incomes, um this is

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going to be very

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painful for them if property taxes

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um go up even more. And you can bet that

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they're going to go up from the school

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and um just seems like everything gas is

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going up, groceries is going up,

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everything's going up except income.

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uh, be very prudent

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with your spending and, um,

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take the least amount possible.

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>> Thanks, Kennery.

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that item and move on to item number

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summary action items. Item number two is

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the approval of minutes from the April

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1st, 2026 city council regular meeting.

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We have any corrections that need to be

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made to that or concerns?

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Mayor, I make a motion we move to

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approve minutes from the April 1st, 2026

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city council regular meeting.

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>> We have a motion by council member

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Thomas. Is there a second?

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by council member Butler. All in

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favor?

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>> Thank you.

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>> Item B, approval of minutes from the

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April 14th, 2026 city council and

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planning commission work meeting. Do we

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have any concerns or corrections with those minutes?

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>> Mayor, I'll make a motion we approve the

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minutes from the April 14, 2026 city

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council and planning commission work

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meeting.

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>> We have a motion by council member

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Dalton. Is there a second?

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>> I'll second a motion.

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>> A second by council member Skinner. All

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>> Item C, approval of minutes from the

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meeting.

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>> Mayor, I make a motion we approve the

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minutes from the April 15, 2026 city

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council regular meeting.

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>> We have a motion by council member

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Williams. Is there a second?

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>> Second by council member Butler. All in

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>> Item D, approval of bills. Does anybody

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have any questions or comments on the

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bills?

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Mayor, I make the motion that we approve

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the bills as presented.

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>> Have a motion by Council Member Butler.

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>> Second by Council Member Dalton. All in

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>> Thank you. All right. Moving on to item

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number three, the introduction of

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Officer John Pitman and administration

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of the oath of office. And that'll be

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presented by Chief Sager.

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Mayor, council, thank you for letting us

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take the time to introduce Officer

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Fitman. Uh, Officer Pitman is over 20

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year veteran in law enforcement. He

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retired from West Valley as a sergeant

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serving many roles. Uh, riot squad,

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traffic patrol, major case. I mean, he's

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seen in almost everything. So, he's a

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great addition. And not only experience,

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we don't we don't just want experience.

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Grantsville. And I think he's a great

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fit. So, we're very fortunate to have

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you and I'd like to if you want to just

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introduce yourself a little bit more if

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you have anything.

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>> Absolutely. I've lived in Grantsville

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for 10 years and I love the community. I

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was thrilled to move here 10 years ago

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and I'm thrilled with the certain

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community that I live in that my

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family's grown up in and that my family

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currently lives. So, I I'm absolutely

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ecstatic that I I have this opportunity

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and this opportunity to to serve others

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here. Well, thank you. I do appreciate

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>> Thank you. Minister here for you.

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There's your hand. [clears throat]

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>> I state your name.

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>> I, John Pitman.

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>> as a law enforcement officer,

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>> do solemnly swear that I will support,

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obey, and defend the Constitution of the

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United States.

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>> I solemnly swear that I will support,

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obey, and defend the Constitution of the

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United States

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>> and the Constitution of this state.

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>> And that I will discharge the duties of

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my office with fidelity. and I will

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discharge the duties of my office with

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>> sir. Now we're gonna ask your lovely

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wife to pay his bench.

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» Watch it, chief.

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>> it's intent

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button here. Get in there.

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>> You're good. You can stand.

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You're fine. [laughter]

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forgot myself.

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» I was betting she would [laughter]

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>> that comes later.

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>> Thank you.

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and welcome.

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We're we're grateful to have you. So,

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thank you very much.

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to stay for this fun, exciting night,

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but you're also welcome to leave.

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>> Family

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game.

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>> That's right.

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[laughter]

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» You're trying to sneak out. [laughter]

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>> Will anyone notice? [snorts]

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>> Yeah. Thank you guys.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Thanks, man.

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>> Thanks. Thank you, everyone. And thanks,

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Chief. Appreciate it. Um, all right.

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Item number four, consideration of

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resolution 2026 27 approving the 2026

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2027 dispatch agreement.

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» Is that going to be presented by you?

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>> All right.

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>> Yeah. So every year annually we go

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through the sheriff provides our

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dispatch and uh this year I believe it

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went down 3% about 3% but this is for

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all the uh emergency calls keeping

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officer say to rotation etc

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[clears throat] question.

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>> No chief I appreciate you bringing that

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up. I the question I had was just how

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did it reflect to last year's cost and

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you mentioned 3%.

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>> Last year was about 163,000. This one I

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believe was 158.

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>> Okay.

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>> So I think it's about little under 3%.

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>> Prices never go down. So how did that

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happen? [laughter]

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>> We'll take it. Okay.

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» Anyone like to make a motion? Mayor, I

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motion that we approve resolution number

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2026-27

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approving the 202627 dispatch agreement.

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>> We have a motion by council member

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Skinner. Is there a second?

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>> Second.

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by council member Butler. All in

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favor?

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>> I.

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>> All right. Thank you. Thanks, Chief.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Item number five, consideration of

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resolution 2026-29

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approving the advance order of 100th

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anniversary badges and patches for the

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Grantsville Fire Department. presented

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by Chief Remick.

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>> Yes,

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>> Mr. Mayor, house members, thanks for

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giving me the opportunity to talk. So,

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we're requesting that uh the funds be

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allocated from 2027 point budget for the

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purchase of the 100 year anniversary

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badges and shirt patches for apartment.

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Um this will not be charged until we

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receive them, but it takes six to eight

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months for the badges to come in.

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January is

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total cost is

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$6,700.

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» This is a once in a lifetime milestone

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for our department. These personalized

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items will serve as a lasting symbol of

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pride and dedication of every member.

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Given extended production timeline for

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timely approval on this expenditure

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would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

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>> So this will come out of your budget for

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next year, correct? It just has to be

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approved now so that you have them in

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time for January.

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>> We just want to be able to know if we

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can extend the funds now because we

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don't know what our budget is,

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>> right?

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>> Do you have one?

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>> Do you do you have a batch?

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>> Show us a batch.

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» Here's the shirt patches. So, this one

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will be replaced

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here.

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This is

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a lot of milestones this year. I can't

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believe it's 100 years that

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>> it's been 100 years.

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» Anyone have any questions?

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>> Mayor, I make a motion. We move to

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approve resolution 202629

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uh approving the advance order for the

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100year anniversary badges and patches

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for the Grantsville Fire Department.

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>> Second.

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>> We have a motion by council member

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Thomas and a second by council member

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Butler. All in favor?

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>> I

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thank you.

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>> All right. The next item is a discussion

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of a utility assistance program uh

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presented by council member Dalton.

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Thank you for your efforts in getting

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this information.

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>> Yeah. Um I made a little slideshow. Do

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you want me to just put that up on the

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screen or

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>> Sure.

391
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>> It's like a fourth grader did it, so

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[laughter] just bear with me.

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And I know that it's been a while since

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Jolene's been here with so [laughter]

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um

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So, it says the sewer utility says, but

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we could take this cover all of the

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utilities. Um,

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is it showing?

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>> No.

401
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» Oh, I have to drag your screen over.

402
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>> Yeah,

403
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>> drag it over. And let me stop sharing

404
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too.

405
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[clears throat]

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show on my screen. Can you guys see it?

407
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>> We can see it on our screen.

408
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>> I can see it on our screen. Yeah.

409
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>> Um,

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Mike, can you like drag your screen?

411
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Well, how do how is there drag it over

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to the second the screen on the podium?

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It's not

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>> there. There you go.

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» So, utility assistance obviously just

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increased the rates. I said I looked

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into couple different options. So, um

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it's quick. So why we need the program

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critical wastewater infrastructure

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upgrades by rate increase increases.

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This impacts fixed income house

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households the most. Our goal is to keep

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sewer affordable to those households. Um

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talked to a bunch of a couple different

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municipalities and they do a few

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different ways. We can choose all of

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them or just one way. But um here's a

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couple different options. So the monthly

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bill credits directly apply to the

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account. So, we don't give any customers

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money. They It goes straight to their

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account. Um, target targets low income

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and hardship households. And then some

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of the cities I talked to, they put a

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cap of $75,000 on it. We can adjust it

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to what we think would work. Then it's

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administered by the utilities and

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finance.

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year later review by the city council

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and then the applicants must reapply

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every year so it doesn't automatically

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carry over changes and once they're in a

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better situation they can pay for us and

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then with the application automatic

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approval for citizens that we're on

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staff free to reduce launch or any other

447
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programs that um that we know that

448
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they've already been through qualified

449
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[clears throat]

450
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eligibility eligibility

451
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>> sorry We're trying.

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>> So eligibility, you got to be granted

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resident with an active act active sewer

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or utility account. It's your primary

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residence and your 80% or less of the

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AMI or qualifying assistance program.

457
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And then another one city had a

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temporary hardship cases for loss of a

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job, medical, anything like that. So

460
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just putting all the options up there.

461
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This isn't 100% accurate, but this is

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kind of a a guide of what the table

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would look like, who would qualify for

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what um to be able to get this

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assistance. And like I said, it could be

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whole utility assistance or just

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specific to sewer. Depends on how we

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want to go about it. Um there's three

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different tiers. There's if you're

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between 50, if you're the 50% or less,

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you're tier one. And that it's a 60%

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build credit. So you're not getting 100%

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of your bill wiped out. Still are

474
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putting in in some, but you're getting a

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60% credit. That can be adjusted to. And

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then the next tier is between 51 and 80,

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and that's 40%

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um credit. And then a hardship, you can

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get up to 20%.

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Um estimated households with our income

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grants, there'd be 71 households on the

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tier one. Uh 92 on the tier two, and

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then hardship 41. Um that's just kind of

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rough numbers with um with what our

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income here is in Grantsville.

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And then the funding plan be a sewer

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enterprise fund or

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util util utility. Some of the way it's funded to is about voluntary

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roundup. So you know you go to Walmart

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or whatever and they ask if you want to

491
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round up your bill to the nearest dollar

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to or St. Dudes or something like that.

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give our citizens the option to

494
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round [clears throat] up and then that

495
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money would be put into this fund to

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help pay for it. Um there are grant

497
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opportunities

498
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and then if we did it that's only uh

499
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1.45% of the sewer fund

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if we did it at the

501
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75,000. So the application process um

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it's a simple onepage form I put 10 to

503
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14 day approval but that just depends on

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what we've got here. uh credits apply

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directly to the account annual

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certification and then must apply during

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certain time periods for tier tier one

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and two. So a lot of the city said they

509
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have an open application from like

510
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January 1 to March 1st and then that'll

511
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apply for that that fiscal year. Um and

512
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then the tier three can apply any time.

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if you lose your job. But we put a cap,

514
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some cities will put a cap on on two to

515
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three months just to help you get back

516
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on your feet and they can apply it at

517
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any time, but it's two to three month

518
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,840
cap as all um accountability annual

519
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report to the council, track households

520
00:26:42,159 --> 00:26:45,600
served, track fund used, and then yearly

521
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review and then just this helps protect

522
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the vulnerable residents. um targeted in

523
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CAP program fiscal response

524
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responsibility and supports rate

525
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increase acceptance.

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Um so over the over a year if you're on

527
00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:04,880
tier one it's about a $500 savings. um

528
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tier two about 350 for the year

529
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and then um

530
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,039
that's what the sewer that's what what

531
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:18,480
we're proposing you know 7577 without it

532
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,559
tier one would go to like 30 bucks uh

533
00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:26,559
and then tier two would be 45

534
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:30,080
that was just on

535
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,720
your eligibility for the hardship so the

536
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,919
annual cost with the households I put

537
00:27:35,919 --> 00:27:38,080
about $28,000

538
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,679
for the tier one about 26 to 27 for tier

539
00:27:41,679 --> 00:27:43,919
two and then the hardships would be just

540
00:27:43,919 --> 00:27:46,640
under $10,000.

541
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,559
Um so that those numbers the the cost

542
00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:53,360
would approximately be around 65,000.

543
00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:55,600
you put a cap of 75 that gives us a

544
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,520
little leeway in case there's a little

545
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,000
more or whatever, but so we have a

546
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,600
little extra just put [clears throat]

547
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:02,799
and different things like that that come

548
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:05,039
into the city.

549
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And then another way that one city does

550
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,679
it is they put a $1 side on everybody's

551
00:28:11,679 --> 00:28:13,600
bill. I know that's saying you're taking

552
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,039
your money, but I mean you're paying it.

553
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:17,279
We're just putting that into the fund.

554
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:18,799
That's what they do. So everybody that

555
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:21,200
pays that's they take $1 and put it into

556
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,840
this this fund here. Um with the

557
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,919
optional customer build these are just

558
00:28:27,919 --> 00:28:29,520
different again just the same thing.

559
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,039
Like I said a fourth grader made this

560
00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:33,120
for me so remember some of the same

561
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:35,760
things. So if you set aside a dollar a

562
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,279
month um in our sewer thing I think we

563
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:41,360
had [clears throat] the projection of

564
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:46,320
like 5100 households. So give or take um

565
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,880
you see all the numbers there. It's good

566
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:53,279
cost about $546 a month and the annual

567
00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:56,320
65520 but we put a cap of 75 that gives

568
00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:00,080
us a little wiggle room there and then

569
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,600
round up the grants go in and then push

570
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,600
recommendations and look at it more we

571
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,840
can do it for just sewer or overall the

572
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,120
whole utility. um put a cap at the 75

573
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,279
for the first year to see how that goes.

574
00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:15,919
I put launch fiscal year 2027. I was

575
00:29:15,919 --> 00:29:17,840
talking to Michael earlier. That might

576
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,880
be a little fast. So, we could put push

577
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,880
that into 2028. But

578
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,279
whatever we decided there, but that's

579
00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:30,080
just kind of a little what I found by

580
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,760
talking to other cities, what they do to

581
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:36,950
help out their utility bills.

582
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,559
Have any questions? Is this something

583
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:40,000
our current staff could do? Do we think

584
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,039
we would need more staff to implement

585
00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:41,360
this?

586
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,120
>> I haven't talked to any of them yet. I

587
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,120
just put this together. If it was

588
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,240
something that we wanted to look at

589
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,200
further, then we could

590
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,080
>> we could talk to

591
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,760
>> I just didn't want to put the cart

592
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,399
before the horse and do all this stuff.

593
00:29:52,399 --> 00:29:55,990
>> So,

594
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,399
I question.

595
00:29:58,399 --> 00:30:00,960
>> Did she ask a question? Is that okay?

596
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:06,310
>> Is that

597
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,840
pass? Oh, okay. You can address it with

598
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:15,190
any of us after though. Thank you.

599
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,960
» Um, there's not any questions. I don't

600
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,200
know if you guys I can look into it even

601
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,760
further, get with staff, see what's

602
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,760
feasible, what's not, if it's even

603
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,200
something that you can do, what that

604
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,520
cost might look like, things like that,

605
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,760
or there's no desire and just can't do.

606
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,840
Well, I I I definitely there there's a

607
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,679
desire to do it and I like what you've

608
00:30:37,679 --> 00:30:39,919
done here, albeit it's it's in its

609
00:30:39,919 --> 00:30:42,320
infancy, right? And so I think we we

610
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,640
continue to to push it forward. I think

611
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,960
there's some other ways in which we can

612
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,679
um come up with that that dollar amount.

613
00:30:49,679 --> 00:30:52,240
Um we'll just need a little bit of time

614
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,840
to pass and then I think we can make

615
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,039
some decisions to allocate some monies

616
00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:59,760
um to to this program. I think it will

617
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,120
help those 100 plus households that that

618
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,880
are really going to be able to to

619
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,000
utilize it and will need it. So, I like

620
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,120
what you've done here. I think it's

621
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,360
great. So, I guess should look a little

622
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,360
bit more into it.

623
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:14,960
>> Anybody else want to give the same

624
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,720
direction or different direction?

625
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,399
>> I think I think it's a good idea. I like

626
00:31:20,399 --> 00:31:21,679
it. I mean, I know there are a lot of

627
00:31:21,679 --> 00:31:22,480
people that said they would have

628
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:23,840
hardship. So I think if we could do

629
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,240
something um what do we do if we come on

630
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,440
the 75 and we that's just capped and so

631
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,679
>> it's capped. It's first come first

632
00:31:31,679 --> 00:31:34,720
serve. Some cities do have like a if

633
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,799
you're over a certain age they get

634
00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:38,559
higher priority than other people. I

635
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:40,559
mean there's endless ways to do it. It's

636
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:41,600
just

637
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,519
>> um some do just first come first serve.

638
00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:45,519
Like you're you know you're the first

639
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:46,880
one with your application. You're at the

640
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,320
top of the the list. So

641
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,039
yeah I know I'm Yeah. I I know this was

642
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:57,200
a concern of all and I and I think that was one of

643
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,880
the main reasons why we pushed to to do

644
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:05,200
a base fee in our in in the utility to

645
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,640
allow for those that use those that are

646
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,960
fixed that are on a fixed income and use

647
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,200
less than it's proportionate to their

648
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,120
use. Um and this is just kind of another

649
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,440
step on on that. I think there's

650
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,799
probably there's a lot of unanswered

651
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:22,799
questions I you know as far as where it

652
00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:28,399
would come from a budget standpoint and the what'ss and why I those are all

653
00:32:28,399 --> 00:32:31,519
the questions that I have. Um

654
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:34,559
and I you know we had a the citizen

655
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:37,120
speak on it tonight specifically and you

656
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,159
know um being really cautious to how we

657
00:32:40,159 --> 00:32:43,200
use dollars in a budget and allocate

658
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:48,950
those is is a concern I have. So

659
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,640
» um would you guys want to just do it for

660
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,080
the sewer or would you want it to be

661
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,200
like a whole utility

662
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,039
thing?

663
00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:00,640
>> I think just for the sewer right now. I

664
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:01,840
mean that's is where we have our main

665
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,120
concern right now because I think

666
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:04,399
everything else has been pretty fixed

667
00:33:04,399 --> 00:33:05,760
and the sewer is going to go up a lot.

668
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,120
It's kind of my thought is so this could

669
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,120
help because I think everybody else I

670
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,960
mean the budget this is not in their

671
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,559
budget the sewer. So I think this is

672
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:14,159
something that will help with that. And

673
00:33:14,159 --> 00:33:15,440
I'd like to I mean you put grants in

674
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:16,399
here. I think that's something we should

675
00:33:16,399 --> 00:33:18,240
look into too. I mean because maybe

676
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,360
that's something that could help cover

677
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,559
this. I know um Alexis is working on

678
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:24,320
that. But

679
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,080
>> well I know we went through that whole

680
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,240
process but the sewer the sewer rates

681
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,080
are not closed in my mind. I mean they

682
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,440
are closed on paper but I meaning I

683
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,200
still feel like that's one area we have

684
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,080
to try to find to address and we've got

685
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,279
some avenues to do that. I know. But um

686
00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:43,200
yeah, whether those are grants or some

687
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,840
other I for some that one is just not

688
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,679
closed in my mind that we solved we

689
00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:50,880
solved it. I know we we voted on it to

690
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,559
move it along, but it's not closed in my

691
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:55,519
mind. So yeah, I think appreciate you

692
00:33:55,519 --> 00:33:59,269
putting this together.

693
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:00,720
» I'll start reaching out to staff kind of

694
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,320
getting some more information and

695
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,559
letting you guys know what I find out.

696
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:05,120
Okay.

697
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:14,069
>> Thanks very Thank you.

698
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:15,919
want me to table seven and eight?

699
00:34:15,919 --> 00:34:16,960
>> Yes, please.

700
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,520
>> Mayor, I make a motion we move to table

701
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,359
agenda items number seven and number

702
00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:23,599
eight regarding the Wellstone

703
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:26,399
subdivision until the May 20th, 2026

704
00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:27,919
city council meeting.

705
00:34:27,919 --> 00:34:29,839
>> We have a motion by council member

706
00:34:29,839 --> 00:34:31,760
Thomas to table items seven and eight.

707
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:32,960
Is there a second?

708
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:33,520
>> Second.

709
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,359
by council member Williams. All

710
00:34:35,359 --> 00:34:37,280
in favor? I

711
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:38,159
>> I

712
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:40,079
>> All right, [laughter] we will discuss

713
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:43,440
those items on May 20th. Thank you.

714
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,000
Item number nine is a public hearing

715
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,159
item, consideration of resolution

716
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:49,760
2026-30

717
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,320
approving a plat amendment to the Moody

718
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,079
Acres Subdivision located at

719
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:57,599
approximately 415 South Worththington

720
00:34:57,599 --> 00:34:59,040
Street. And we're going to have the

721
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,160
presentation first and then after the

722
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,240
presentation if you have comments uh

723
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:06,560
please come come forth and bring those

724
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:07,920
to our attention.

725
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,434
>> Will you go to the PL the

726
00:35:10,434 --> 00:35:11,359
[clears throat] plat?

727
00:35:11,359 --> 00:35:14,000
>> Yes. So, this is just a minor amendment.

728
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,200
Um, really a lot line adjustment, but

729
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,949
because this was already a

730
00:35:18,949 --> 00:35:19,920
[clears throat]

731
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,800
platted lot 2 was already platted, um,

732
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,280
we did a plat amendment. Um, and then it

733
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,280
so we're amending Moody Acres, but they

734
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,520
called it the Williams U minor

735
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,440
subdivision. And so, it just is that the

736
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,599
You should have another Yeah, that one.

737
00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:40,560
[clears throat] So, if you zoom in where

738
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,560
the circle is right there, we're just

739
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,560
adjusting that lot. Um, lot one now um

740
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,440
is just shrinking. We're aligning um the

741
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,040
future road on lot two uh to meet up.

742
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,880
So, if that is ever subdivided, we have

743
00:35:54,880 --> 00:36:00,400
that um inner uh access.

744
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,960
>> So, lot one is is shrinking then.

745
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,480
>> Yes.

746
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,839
>> From 3/4 to a half approximately. Y

747
00:36:07,839 --> 00:36:08,800
Okay.

748
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,400
And that's to make room for a road if we

749
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:11,280
need it in that sort of thing.

750
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,000
>> Uh it was to align the properties

751
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,400
they're they're selling um lot one. And

752
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,040
so it was just to um finalize and align

753
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:27,670
everything. So

754
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,640
» and this went through commission. Um

755
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,000
well I was able to listen to that. You

756
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,760
remember the vote vote on that? It

757
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:34,880
>> was unanimous. It was unanimous.

758
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:40,069
>> Unanimous. Okay.

759
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:42,960
So, if this wasn't in if lot 2 wasn't a

760
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,720
part of a subdivision, then this could

761
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:46,240
have just been processed as a boundary

762
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:48,320
line adjustment. Um, but because there

763
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,400
are notes and other things on a plat, we

764
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:55,190
wanted to save those.

765
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,960
» Anybody have any questions for

766
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,640
>> Mike? I had a question regarding minor

767
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,119
subdivisions. How remind me, how many

768
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:03,520
lots you have? Um, up to four.

769
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:08,325
>> Up to four. Okay, that's

770
00:37:08,335 --> 00:37:21,510
[clears throat]

771
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,720
» Thank you. Um, we will now open it up to

772
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:26,480
uh public hearing. If anyone has any

773
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,079
items they'd like to discuss with the

774
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:30,160
council, this is your moment on this

775
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,160
item.

776
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,990
Anyone

777
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,910
online, Alicia?

778
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:47,750
All right, I'm seeing no items for the public hearing.

779
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,599
Uh, would anybody like to make a motion

780
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:51,280
or is there any further discussion that

781
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,480
needs to take place?

782
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,200
Mayor, I make a motion we approve

783
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,000
resolution 2026-30 approving the plat

784
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,640
amendment to the Moody Acres subdivision

785
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,880
located approximately 415 South

786
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,400
Warthington Street.

787
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,000
>> We have a motion by Council Member

788
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,359
Butler. Is there a second?

789
00:38:09,359 --> 00:38:10,400
>> I'll second the motion.

790
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,400
>> Second by Council Member Skinner. All in

791
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,240
favor?

792
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:15,839
>> All right.

793
00:38:15,839 --> 00:38:18,560
Thank you.

794
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:19,920
>> Thanks you guys.

795
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,359
>> Thank you. Um item number 10 is also a

796
00:38:23,359 --> 00:38:25,599
public hearing item. Um it's a

797
00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:27,359
consideration of approving amendments to

798
00:38:27,359 --> 00:38:29,599
the capital facilities plan impact fee

799
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:32,400
facilities plan and impact fee analysis.

800
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,240
This will be presented by Robert Rousell

801
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:36,960
of Enzyme Engineering and we will have

802
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,440
the presentation first and then we will

803
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,160
um ask for any public comment before the

804
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:48,150
item is discussed with the council.

805
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,599
Are you

806
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:49,839
>> what?

807
00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:50,800
>> They're going to share.

808
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,436
>> Yeah, I'll share.

809
00:38:54,446 --> 00:39:02,069
[clears throat]

810
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:04,480
» You need to log into Zoom. You got it.

811
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,200
>> Oh, okay. Cool. So, yeah, I'm Robert

812
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,680
with Enzy Engineering. I'm presenting

813
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,880
the 2026 amendments to the CFP. So, cap

814
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,800
facility plan, impact fee facility

815
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,720
plans, and impact PE analysis. This

816
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:18,720
includes everything that you see there,

817
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:20,240
drinking water, public safety, parks,

818
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:23,040
wastewater, water rights acquisition,

819
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,800
and storm drainage. It does not include

820
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,480
transportation. We're holding off on

821
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,480
transportation until the updates are

822
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:34,470
done to the transportation master plan.

823
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,520
So, we do this annually. We did do some

824
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,280
amendments for parks and transportation

825
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,000
in January 2026.

826
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,440
Uh and then uh what impact fees do is

827
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,359
they help fund expansion of public

828
00:39:47,359 --> 00:39:49,599
facilities necessary to accommodate new

829
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:52,880
growth. We meet with city staff in

830
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,599
December and then

831
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:57,200
get all the information compiled in

832
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,400
January, February, meet again typically

833
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,160
in March and [clears throat] go over the

834
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,960
draft, get input. Then we have the work

835
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,680
session that you all attended uh you

836
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,280
know with planning commission and then

837
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,599
we have the meeting with planning

838
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:13,200
commission which is also public hearing

839
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,560
and then city council. Uh the process it

840
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,760
takes 90 days before the amended impact

841
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,280
fees are approved before they go into

842
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,240
effect and any developer funded projects

843
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:25,680
which we've got kind of throughout this

844
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,359
document that we know are strictly

845
00:40:27,359 --> 00:40:29,520
developer funded projects are not impact

846
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,040
eligible.

847
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,560
Uh, I will mention, and you'll see it,

848
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,240
we did update the demographics to

849
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:38,079
coincide with the 2026 sewer rate study.

850
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:40,880
We looked back at previous growth rates

851
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,960
and kind of reduced to something that's

852
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,880
a little bit more realistic. So, we've

853
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:49,920
got the 3 and a.5% in years 2026, 2027,

854
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,720
and then a 4% growth rate from 2028 to

855
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:54,320
2035.

856
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,240
And we do briefly look at this annually

857
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:57,920
to see if we're kind of on pace. If we

858
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,280
see a higher growth rate, then we can

859
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,040
make adjustments.

860
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,359
Um I've kind of listed there

861
00:41:03,359 --> 00:41:05,200
historically at least over the last 26

862
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,720
years it has been between four and a

863
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:09,359
half to 5% annual growth rate on

864
00:41:09,359 --> 00:41:12,640
average. The uh you know the 10% during

865
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,960
the co years that kind of created a a

866
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,960
little bit of a spike there and brought

867
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,599
that average a little bit up.

868
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:21,200
What we do is we determine our capital

869
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:22,960
improvement projects with staff you know

870
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,119
in December. We get input kind of

871
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:27,839
throughout the process and then we you

872
00:41:27,839 --> 00:41:29,599
know update our demographics and look at

873
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:31,200
the level of service and see if we need

874
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,640
to adjust them for each item.

875
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,079
Impact fees also include non- capital

876
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:40,240
improvement project costs which are like

877
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:43,359
interest expense on bonds, existing

878
00:41:43,359 --> 00:41:45,839
capital assets, professional expenses

879
00:41:45,839 --> 00:41:49,910
and future debt service.

880
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,920
So this demographics just shows you that

881
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,119
growth rate, you know, the three and a

882
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:54,640
half percent the next couple years, the

883
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,520
4%, you know, moving forward. What we do

884
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,119
is we only look in kind of the 10-year

885
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:00,480
planning period because with impact

886
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,800
fees, you got to if you collect them,

887
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,079
you got to expend them in six years. Uh

888
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:07,920
or you got to have a reason why you're

889
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,680
holding on. Like for example, if you're

890
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,160
holding on to impact fees for wastewater

891
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,950
treatment plant.

892
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,800
So the service connections we get that

893
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,280
from meter data and what we do here is

894
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,599
we take the meter data for a single

895
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:27,520
family uh unit and and an ERC is

896
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,359
equivalent residential connection and

897
00:42:29,359 --> 00:42:31,599
you can see you know ERC per unit for

898
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:34,000
single family is one and we look at the

899
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,400
what the water usage is for the

900
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,240
different types of service connections.

901
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:40,240
So we got multi-unit trailer,

902
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:41,760
commercial, church, school,

903
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,920
construction, water, and that's where we

904
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,800
adjust, you know, the ERC per unit to

905
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:52,550
get the total ERC's for for Grantsville

906
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,119
planning sub areas. This this just kind

907
00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:57,920
of helps us determine where you know

908
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,680
future growth's going to occur and

909
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:04,720
projects and uh with you know city staff

910
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:06,240
and development coming in we got a

911
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:08,240
pretty good idea of where uh you know

912
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:09,760
certain growth is going to occur and

913
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,079
where projects are going to be needed.

914
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:14,240
This just shows you the projections in

915
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:16,480
the next 10 years of uh population

916
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,400
growth and then ERC's based on the

917
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,119
different service connection types. But

918
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:22,720
one thing that we did do this year that

919
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:25,680
we've we we got building permit

920
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,280
information from the building

921
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,680
department, we did adjust the commercial

922
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,280
growth rate because it's not quite as

923
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,760
high. It's about a quarter of what the

924
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,480
residential growth rate is. So that has

925
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:41,030
been factored in

926
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,839
drinking water level of service. We we

927
00:43:43,839 --> 00:43:45,359
do look at this three years we're

928
00:43:45,359 --> 00:43:47,359
required to with the division drinking

929
00:43:47,359 --> 00:43:51,040
water uh because they they set the

930
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,599
city's minimum drinking water standards.

931
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:56,319
So that's been looked at. It's we

932
00:43:56,319 --> 00:43:58,079
haven't changed it. It was is pretty

933
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:00,800
similar to what it has been for the last

934
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:06,150
six years.

935
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,760
Capital improvement projects. These

936
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,359
aren't all If you go in the actual

937
00:44:09,359 --> 00:44:10,640
document, you'll see all of them that

938
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,640
are listed. A lot of them are are

939
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,960
replacement. So this are these are like

940
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,040
impact B eligible projects and then we

941
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,880
list the ones that are that would be

942
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,400
impact B eligible but are being paid for

943
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,480
you know 100% by developer. So that's

944
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:25,920
what's shown in here and the ones that

945
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,200
are shown with like the proportionate

946
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,319
share of of zero are those developer

947
00:44:30,319 --> 00:44:33,040
ones. the Northstar tank. That's one

948
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,119
that the city's, you know, constructing

949
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:37,760
building impacts previously were

950
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,319
collected for it, but we're, you know,

951
00:44:40,319 --> 00:44:43,040
it's it's basically

952
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,960
getting the city up to capacity on

953
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,599
storage. So, that's why that's a zero um

954
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:49,440
right now. But impact fees were

955
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:50,880
previously collected for it when there

956
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:55,280
was, you know, excess capacity and and

957
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,599
the project would have provided capacity

958
00:44:57,599 --> 00:45:02,950
for future development.

959
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,400
It's kind of hard to see. I mean, I can

960
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,760
zoom in if you if you want. Um, but the

961
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,920
uh this just shows kind of all the

962
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,680
projects and maybe I will just kind of

963
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,000
try to zoom in to there just throughout

964
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,319
the city.

965
00:45:16,319 --> 00:45:18,560
The

966
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,079
two projects that are being constructed

967
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:21,680
right now, you've got the Northstar

968
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,079
tank, 2 million gallon tank here, and

969
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:26,560
then you've got the Bates Well that's in

970
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,920
this Well, I guess it's right there. And

971
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,200
uh then additional development, you

972
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,640
know, in kind of the West Bank area and

973
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,119
then on the southeast, you know, side of

974
00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:41,920
the city. And then a lot of the projects

975
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,000
that are in the city here are are

976
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,079
replacements of just smaller water lines

977
00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:48,000
that are old and don't meet the uh

978
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,640
minimum requirement of at least a 8 in

979
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:57,910
diameter water line.

980
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,200
So with with water uh the impact fees

981
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,119
changed slightly. They've gone up a

982
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:04,800
little bit and that's just because

983
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,839
there's been you know we decreased that

984
00:46:07,839 --> 00:46:09,839
you know the growth rate in that 10 year

985
00:46:09,839 --> 00:46:12,480
and so there's basically a higher impact

986
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,880
fee for each you know ERC or in this

987
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,560
instance we calculate based on the

988
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,470
connection size.

989
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,000
Most of the projects in water didn't

990
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,839
change. I think we we adjusted some of

991
00:46:25,839 --> 00:46:27,680
the years, so it fluctuated a little

992
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,119
bit, but they stayed pretty much the

993
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:32,960
same. Public safety level of service,

994
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,720
we, you know, we met with the fire

995
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:37,440
department, police department. The what

996
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,280
we have for level of service there, we

997
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,359
haven't really changed, kept it the

998
00:46:41,359 --> 00:46:43,760
same.

999
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,440
Capital improvement projects. So, one of

1000
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,480
I will point out one of the one of the

1001
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,119
items that we had in here originally,

1002
00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:54,000
took it out, but then we put it back in

1003
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,760
was uh the just capital improvement

1004
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,680
projects for a future satellite fire

1005
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,200
station and then the aerial truck

1006
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,319
replacement. We're showing those costs.

1007
00:47:02,319 --> 00:47:05,599
We don't we don't have at least a time

1008
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:07,440
frame of when that future satellite fire

1009
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,160
station will be constructed. So, it's

1010
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:11,680
not actually in the impact fee

1011
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,760
calculation. And then that aerial truck

1012
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,760
replacement because it is a is a

1013
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,079
replacement we can't charge impact fees

1014
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:19,520
but we did show it at least in the

1015
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,240
capital improvement projects table. That

1016
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:23,839
was just a comment we had in planning

1017
00:47:23,839 --> 00:47:25,599
commission

1018
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:27,520
impact fee eligible costs. We've got the

1019
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,400
animal control shelter and that is

1020
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,040
assuming you know 50% of it will be

1021
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:37,680
shared with a a local entity. Um we

1022
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,920
didn't really define that. And then

1023
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,000
we've got the Justice Center Police

1024
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,870
expansion.

1025
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,880
This just shows you approximately where

1026
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,880
we think some of these satellite fire

1027
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,440
stations will go. I'll kind of zoom in a

1028
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,160
little bit there.

1029
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,480
And yeah, those are subject to change

1030
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,200
depending on, you know, how how it's

1031
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,040
negotiated with, you know, developers

1032
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,560
potentially and where they're actually

1033
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:10,390
needed.

1034
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,119
And then public safety, those have

1035
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:15,040
decreased a little bit because we have

1036
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,440
pulled out that future satellite fire

1037
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,000
station. We were previously, you know,

1038
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,079
factoring that in. One of the big

1039
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:24,079
changes that I mentioned when we had the

1040
00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:26,480
work session is we did change how

1041
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,920
non-residential was is calculated and I

1042
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,280
guess you know how single family and

1043
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,240
multi-unit is factored. We were basing

1044
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:35,839
it based on like an average building

1045
00:48:35,839 --> 00:48:37,040
size.

1046
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,319
Uh but what what we've done is we've now

1047
00:48:40,319 --> 00:48:42,480
based it based on calls per unit and we

1048
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,720
got the from the police department we've

1049
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:47,200
got the CAD calls just the total you

1050
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,920
know calls per unit uh for single family

1051
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,000
multif family and non-residential and

1052
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,000
that's how we're basing it now. So, for

1053
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,000
example, and I I there's some examples

1054
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,319
in the actual writeup, but for example,

1055
00:49:00,319 --> 00:49:02,559
now if you had like a really large

1056
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:04,800
commercial building like a warehouse,

1057
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,640
it's technically one unit. So, it would

1058
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,480
be charged just that, you know, that

1059
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,000
$3,000, you know, $7010. But if you had

1060
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,400
like a strip mall and you had 10 units

1061
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:15,920
in there, then they would be charged,

1062
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:21,910
you know, that per each unit.

1063
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,040
And I guess as you can see there like

1064
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,760
single family there's not quite as many

1065
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,720
calls and there's you know almost almost

1066
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:32,720
two calls per unit for multif family and

1067
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:37,349
then two and a half for non-residential

1068
00:49:37,359 --> 00:49:40,240
level service for parks. This has stayed

1069
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:43,200
for you know four acres for per 1000

1070
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:44,960
population for quite a time now. We've

1071
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,480
kind of left that the same.

1072
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,240
Uh the only updates that we've done

1073
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:52,079
really on parks is we've kind of

1074
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:54,640
rearranged some of the uh construction

1075
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,480
years just to keep a a positive impact

1076
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,079
fee balance. We do have one year which

1077
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:04,400
is fine that goes negative but but we've uh kind of rearranged them a

1078
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,720
little bit to adjust for that. And we

1079
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:08,480
have updated you know the sink slopes

1080
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,040
that first phase with the pump track and

1081
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,680
site improvements to reflect the actual

1082
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:18,150
bid price that the city received.

1083
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,160
This shows you kind of where all the the

1084
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,040
parks are located throughout the city.

1085
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,390
Um,

1086
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,599
and then existing impact fees varied a

1087
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:31,200
little bit. Uh, went went a little bit

1088
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,440
down just because we did have to kind of

1089
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,599
balance out where projects were just to

1090
00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:38,480
keep that impact fee balance positive

1091
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,480
>> for for most years except for for one of

1092
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:45,270
the years.

1093
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,160
Wastewater. Uh, same thing here. We look

1094
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,119
at level service for wastewater. It's

1095
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:52,880
really hasn't changed. It's, you know,

1096
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,800
the 150 gallons per day per ERC for

1097
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,040
average daily flow. And the peaking

1098
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,880
factors are all pretty similar to what

1099
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,400
they have been for the last six years.

1100
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,480
Uh, capital improvement project lists.

1101
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,480
There's some developer constructed only

1102
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:07,760
projects and then there's some where

1103
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,520
there's some upsize like the Westbank

1104
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,760
interceptor. But we've looked at the

1105
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,440
upsize of what they would have had to

1106
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,400
put in versus what you know will be

1107
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,160
upsized and uh that's what the costs are

1108
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,400
that are shown there. The big one on

1109
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,000
this one obviously is the proposed

1110
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,309
wastewater treatment facility.

1111
00:51:28,319 --> 00:51:31,599
And as I mentioned before, the proposed

1112
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:33,119
wastewater treatment facility about a

1113
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:35,680
third of its how how it's going to be

1114
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,280
constructed now the capacity is going to

1115
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,480
be existing and then 2/3 will be for

1116
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,400
future development. That 12.8% is the in

1117
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,480
the 10-year planning period what's new

1118
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,440
development. So in the future past, you

1119
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,359
know, as it keeps going, as long as

1120
00:51:51,359 --> 00:51:53,520
there's that capacity, there'll be like

1121
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,520
a it'll turn into a buying cost once

1122
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,839
this is built.

1123
00:51:57,839 --> 00:51:59,920
So there will be impact fees, you know,

1124
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:02,319
carrying on in the future as long as

1125
00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:04,240
there's capacity in the treatment plant

1126
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:06,720
or excess capacity.

1127
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:09,280
Uh wastewater, this just shows what's

1128
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,599
proposed. A lot of there's some

1129
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:14,079
improvements, you know, along SR 112.

1130
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:16,720
I'll kind of zoom in there.

1131
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:18,960
The majority is, you know, going to the

1132
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:20,319
treatment plant and then just getting

1133
00:52:20,319 --> 00:52:23,040
sewer out to kind of that West Bank

1134
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,680
area, you know, Matt Canyon Road and out

1135
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:33,030
by the Walmart distribution center.

1136
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,680
Wastewater impact fees have gone up uh

1137
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,800
you know slightly. What we did with the

1138
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,599
race is you know we we really looked at

1139
00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:43,839
quite a few projects that were

1140
00:52:43,839 --> 00:52:45,440
previously listed. There was a few that

1141
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,880
we were able to push out farther which

1142
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,960
kept the rates you know as low as we

1143
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,319
could get them and then it also you know

1144
00:52:54,319 --> 00:52:56,240
impacted the impact fees a little bit as

1145
00:52:56,240 --> 00:53:00,630
well.

1146
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,960
Water rights acquisition. So this is

1147
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,920
pretty similar as to what what we

1148
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,920
presented previously. Uh one of the

1149
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,200
comments from planning commission was

1150
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,920
just to look at the uh market rate, the

1151
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:16,240
cost per acre foot. Uh it was 29,000 per

1152
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:20,000
acre foot and it kind of ranges on from

1153
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:24,160
29 to 35 to 40 depending on what

1154
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:25,599
somebody will pay for it. But we did

1155
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:28,640
increase it uh since planning commission

1156
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,280
we did increase it to 30,000

1157
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:36,880
and we'll we'll look at that annually to try to increase it. So yeah, that's

1158
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,880
where that shows up. It just it goes up

1159
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,559
because of that the the for that cost

1160
00:53:42,559 --> 00:53:45,839
per acre foot. None of the water right

1161
00:53:45,839 --> 00:53:47,359
quantities, those didn't really change.

1162
00:53:47,359 --> 00:53:49,520
We we did look at those and they've been

1163
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,440
pretty similar

1164
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,280
to the last, you know, for the last six

1165
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,000
years.

1166
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,079
Storm drainage, you know, the city

1167
00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:00,960
doesn't doesn't charge any uh storm

1168
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,200
drainage. So, I've just kind of shown in

1169
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:04,960
what we've shown in the uh cap

1170
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,480
facilities plan portion of it. There's

1171
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,880
really not an impact fee facilities plan

1172
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,640
or impact v analysis, but we do have the

1173
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,720
capital facilities plan portion of it.

1174
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:14,720
We show the you know the city's design

1175
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:17,599
requirements for storm drainage.

1176
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:22,160
And then uh this is from like the West

1177
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,040
Bank study, the various wersheds for the

1178
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,280
city

1179
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:28,640
and then some of the projects that have

1180
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,319
been constructed like the the Clark

1181
00:54:30,319 --> 00:54:33,760
Street storm drain improvements project.

1182
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,200
It's kind of tilted there, but this is

1183
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,680
out of the West Bank study just the

1184
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,160
various projects that that are proposed

1185
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:44,079
in that. Um the the reason why city

1186
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:45,359
doesn't charge impact fees at least

1187
00:54:45,359 --> 00:54:46,559
right now is just a lot of the

1188
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:48,160
improvements are constructed by the

1189
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:49,680
developers

1190
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,000
as they're building their you know their

1191
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,559
developments and there's not not really

1192
00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:57,119
any regional infrastructure. Now impact

1193
00:54:57,119 --> 00:55:00,480
fees could be charged in the future if the city is constructing some of that

1194
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,800
regional infrastructure and then you

1195
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,640
know developers are would then have to

1196
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,230
pay impact fees

1197
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:10,240
and yeah I've kind of listed that here.

1198
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:13,839
Yeah, I I won't go over that again.

1199
00:55:13,839 --> 00:55:16,880
Impact fee comparisons and impact fee

1200
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,000
comparisons are uh pretty tough, you

1201
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,119
know, to do. Bill mentioned a good one

1202
00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:24,800
last time in the planning commission

1203
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,800
meeting like like Riverton, for example,

1204
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,000
they don't they don't uh they don't

1205
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:31,520
charge impact fees because they've got a

1206
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,200
lot of commercial and they they've got

1207
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,760
kind of that commercial tax base.

1208
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,760
What we did try to do is we and we kind

1209
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,839
of noted it here. You know, we've noted

1210
00:55:39,839 --> 00:55:41,599
the similar populations to Grantsville.

1211
00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:44,400
You know, Tmont, Mapleton, Heber, North

1212
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,880
Logan. Now, the kind of the dynamics are

1213
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,240
a little different, right? So Hebrew's

1214
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:50,319
got a lot of commercial but we've tried

1215
00:55:50,319 --> 00:55:54,240
to show you know what let's see the uh

1216
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:57,280
propos is in blue zisting is in green

1217
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,319
and kind of where like with retail like

1218
00:56:00,319 --> 00:56:03,040
a 5,000 foot building industrial a

1219
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:04,240
million square foot building kind of

1220
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:09,910
where Gransville falls with impact fees

1221
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,400
you can see with residential

1222
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,000
pretty close to being in the middle

1223
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,880
there. So that's town home, a single

1224
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,359
family resident on a halfacre lot and

1225
00:56:19,359 --> 00:56:22,160
then a apartment on a you know a

1226
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:23,768
thousand square foot apartment.

1227
00:56:23,768 --> 00:56:28,390
[clears throat]

1228
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,720
Okay. Yeah. And that's that's all I

1229
00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:32,799
have. And

1230
00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:34,480
does it go to public hearing next? Yes.

1231
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:35,520
Okay. All right. Thank you.

1232
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,400
>> Thank you, Robert.

1233
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,440
We will now hold a public hearing on on

1234
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,760
this item. If anyone would like to make

1235
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,040
a comment, now is your opportunity. And

1236
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:48,480
if you're online and would like to make

1237
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:57,270
a comment, please raise your hand.

1238
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,720
» Anything online, Alicia?

1239
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:02,799
>> All right, we will close the public

1240
00:57:02,799 --> 00:57:07,520
hearing for item number 10. Is I now

1241
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,760
turn this over to a discussion with the

1242
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,720
council. Um,

1243
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:24,230
any comments, questions, or concerns.

1244
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,880
» I'll just say it seems like we've spent

1245
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,599
a lot of time on this um especially

1246
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:32,160
between planning and zoning and and then

1247
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,160
uh and then our work meeting that we

1248
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,240
had. Robert's put in a lot of time and

1249
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:40,640
effort to this and and I mean really I

1250
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,200
think you know what the citizens are

1251
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,799
asking for us to do is is to you know

1252
00:57:46,799 --> 00:57:49,040
make sure that those that are developing

1253
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:50,960
in our in our in our town and our city

1254
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,079
are paying their fair share or in other

1255
00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:56,319
words as it shows on there the maximum

1256
00:57:56,319 --> 00:57:57,839
amount that they can that we could

1257
00:57:57,839 --> 00:57:59,839
charge for the impact fees and that's

1258
00:57:59,839 --> 00:58:01,359
what this represents.

1259
00:58:01,359 --> 00:58:04,400
>> Yes, that's correct.

1260
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,079
albeit some of them were a little bit

1261
00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:07,520
less, but the majority of them did

1262
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,160
increase slightly and and over the two

1263
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:14,079
years that that I've been here, they've increased um every year that

1264
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:17,359
we've we've um reviewed this and voted

1265
00:58:17,359 --> 00:58:20,720
it into effect. So,

1266
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:26,390
anyhow, that's my thoughts.

1267
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:33,510
Anyone else have any comments, concerns?

1268
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:37,760
Um yeah, I just I echo that uh

1269
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,920
in the sense that

1270
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,240
we have a lot of information here. It's

1271
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,880
300 and something pages um and we've

1272
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,240
seen it before going through. Um I did

1273
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,280
have a a couple of questions uh really

1274
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,440
regarding

1275
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,960
um like wells well levels and and then

1276
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,359
our water consumption. And I was just

1277
00:58:59,359 --> 00:59:00,799
wanting to make sure I was reading those

1278
00:59:00,799 --> 00:59:04,960
tables correctly. Um

1279
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,280
and and and Robert, I don't know if I

1280
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,799
put you on the spot um to kind of go

1281
00:59:10,799 --> 00:59:12,880
through to go through those. Obviously,

1282
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,200
water is of concern, ensuring we have

1283
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,240
enough water. Um I spent a lot of time

1284
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:22,480
in the wells and the tanks and

1285
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,920
um just ensuring that we can provide the

1286
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,640
services that we need to provide um in

1287
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:30,720
all aspects. But I I had a question

1288
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,440
regarding one of the tables specifically

1289
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,839
uh 3.6

1290
00:59:35,839 --> 00:59:38,400
um and how I was reading that is that a

1291
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:44,390
deficit in gallons?

1292
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:45,359
» Yes, currently.

1293
00:59:45,359 --> 00:59:47,760
>> Okay. So that's not factoring in the 2

1294
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,280
million gallon tank. The 2 million tank

1295
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,200
is not quite yet constructed

1296
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:52,559
>> which is just about finished.

1297
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:54,240
>> About finished. Yes. Correct.

1298
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,640
>> So once that comes into play then that

1299
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,799
changes that equation pretty

1300
00:59:58,799 --> 00:59:59,599
>> substantially.

1301
00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:01,760
>> And you know the Desireette development

1302
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,839
they'll be doing a tank and a well too.

1303
01:00:03,839 --> 01:00:05,520
So that'll that'll help

1304
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:06,480
>> tie into that.

1305
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,240
>> Yeah. And and same thing on the sources

1306
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,880
there. That 3.5 is shown as a deficit

1307
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,520
now. But that baits well is being

1308
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:14,640
drilled. That one's probably a little

1309
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:15,760
farther out, right? Because they still

1310
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,520
got to build the building and do all the

1311
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:18,720
electrical. And

1312
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:19,440
>> yeah,

1313
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:20,720
>> the other question that came to my mind

1314
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,040
when I was going through that is like

1315
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,680
>> I'm I'm assuming we capture this

1316
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:27,280
information on all of our wells, like

1317
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,280
our static well level, like when we

1318
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:30,960
start to pump and all of those things.

1319
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:32,000
And

1320
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,400
>> um it would be nice to be able to access

1321
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,280
that information as well, just to

1322
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,760
>> just just so we have an understanding.

1323
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,440
It was interesting to see how much a

1324
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,920
well cost in 1977

1325
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,319
versus what one costs now to drill. So

1326
01:00:46,319 --> 01:00:49,119
anyway, thank you for all that. No

1327
01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:49,520
problem.

1328
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,440
>> That was very informative. All 300 and

1329
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,599
something pages. [laughter]

1330
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:56,799
>> Is the banks well is it drilled yet?

1331
01:00:56,799 --> 01:00:57,520
>> Yes.

1332
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,200
>> How what was the depth? That question

1333
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:00,480
came up last night.

1334
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:01,760
>> 705

1335
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:02,559
>> 75 ft

1336
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:04,880
>> and it's under development right now.

1337
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:05,200
>> Yeah.

1338
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,040
>> So they're developing it right now.

1339
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:11,910
>> But but the wells drilled, right?

1340
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,280
working on the screening and the dual

1341
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,040
swab right now.

1342
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:16,880
>> So, yeah, the basically the casing's in.

1343
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,200
They should have done the Yeah, the

1344
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,839
surface seal. They're just developing

1345
01:01:21,839 --> 01:01:24,240
it, kind of swabbing it, cleaning it.

1346
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:24,960
Yep.

1347
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:25,760
>> Right.

1348
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,680
>> Been very fortunate to have good water

1349
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:29,040
in [clears throat] Gransville. Yeah.

1350
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,200
Like I

1351
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:32,799
>> I've been in areas that don't have good

1352
01:01:32,799 --> 01:01:34,480
water, so [laughter]

1353
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,400
at least in the short term period, and

1354
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,400
they're not fun places to stay. Exactly.

1355
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:39,359
>> Great water. I think

1356
01:01:39,359 --> 01:01:39,760
>> Yeah.

1357
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:40,640
>> So,

1358
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,799
>> we're fortunate. [clears throat]

1359
01:01:42,799 --> 01:01:44,640
>> In North Dakota, their water smells like

1360
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:48,559
gasoline. So, just saying

1361
01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:53,520
>> you get the you get you get the oil in the water. [laughter]

1362
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:55,359
>> Robert, I got a quick question for you.

1363
01:01:55,359 --> 01:01:57,839
This just is more of I want to make sure

1364
01:01:57,839 --> 01:02:00,319
you understand this clearly. You said

1365
01:02:00,319 --> 01:02:02,319
>> that impact fees can be applied to

1366
01:02:02,319 --> 01:02:04,559
twothirds of the new sewer plant. So,

1367
01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:07,280
that's for the the growth, right?

1368
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,079
Correct. So the the proportion share

1369
01:02:10,079 --> 01:02:11,680
that's shown there is like in the next

1370
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,880
10 years the projected ERC's in the next

1371
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:16,640
10 years. So that's that's in the next

1372
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:18,240
10 years. But as long as there's excess

1373
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:19,680
capacity in the future. So once it's

1374
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,160
built it'll be a buyin cost as long as

1375
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,319
it has excess capacity and you can

1376
01:02:24,319 --> 01:02:26,319
continue charging impact fees for it.

1377
01:02:26,319 --> 01:02:28,799
>> And then that buyin cost goes to help

1378
01:02:28,799 --> 01:02:30,720
pay back the bonds or I guess it's

1379
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,160
probably up to us but

1380
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,160
>> yeah it's part of it, right? like

1381
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,720
>> we can use that money to pay the bond

1382
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:38,000
down or back.

1383
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,240
>> So as long as you have per the law like

1384
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,000
as long as you have excess capacity and

1385
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,240
something. So so like there's excess

1386
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:47,359
capacity in in the water system, you

1387
01:02:47,359 --> 01:02:49,440
know, port portions of it, right? Like

1388
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,440
the distribution system, some of the

1389
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,599
sewer collection lines have excess

1390
01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:55,280
capacity and that's that's all factored

1391
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,280
in.

1392
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,920
>> Okay. Thanks. Y I've got a question and

1393
01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:02,240
maybe even Christie can answer this too.

1394
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,640
We've I know in uh planning commission

1395
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:09,040
we've discussed on the um the drainage

1396
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:12,160
the basins and storm water that if we

1397
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,400
reach a certain classification of city

1398
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,520
then we start having to be in charge of

1399
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,520
the basins. Is that right?

1400
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,760
>> I think did we have that discussion? I

1401
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,319
think he's talking about MS4. Yeah.

1402
01:03:24,319 --> 01:03:25,839
>> Yeah. Does that have anything to do with

1403
01:03:25,839 --> 01:03:27,200
the the

1404
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,160
>> It would be more on once once you're

1405
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:31,680
doing that, it's either you're either

1406
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,280
having it's more of a maintenance thing.

1407
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,480
Uh you you could end up charging like a

1408
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,039
storm water user fee.

1409
01:03:39,039 --> 01:03:40,319
>> Okay. I mean, that's where that would

1410
01:03:40,319 --> 01:03:41,920
probably factor in. I mean, you can

1411
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,240
correct Christie, but yeah.

1412
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:44,880
>> Yeah.

1413
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:46,640
>> No, I I I'm glad you asked that question

1414
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,559
because I the thought crossed my mind.

1415
01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:51,359
At what point in time do do we as a city

1416
01:03:51,359 --> 01:03:54,160
decide storm is in you know a different

1417
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:55,680
approach to storm or if there's a

1418
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:57,760
different approach in your professional

1419
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,079
opinion based on our size and other

1420
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:01,440
cities that you've worked with similar

1421
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,359
to us at what point do they take that on

1422
01:04:03,359 --> 01:04:05,359
or do some of them never take it on and

1423
01:04:05,359 --> 01:04:07,359
have format that we're doing

1424
01:04:07,359 --> 01:04:09,440
>> and I guess yeah Bill you could probably

1425
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,000
correct me if I'm wrong but once and I

1426
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,640
think isn't the threshold 50,000 for an

1427
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:18,880
MS4 I can't remember exactly But it it's

1428
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,280
based on like the US Census Bureau like

1429
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,359
once they define kind of probably the

1430
01:04:23,359 --> 01:04:26,480
Tilla Valley as like a certain can't

1431
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,160
remember like a regional can't remember

1432
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:29,920
the exact definition but once they kind

1433
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,480
of define that as like a regional area

1434
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,920
then then you'll fall into that and that

1435
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:39,200
would be a I mean some some places do

1436
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,039
try to get ahead of that. I think

1437
01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:43,359
Heers's Heber is kind of one that I know

1438
01:04:43,359 --> 01:04:44,960
of that's trying to get ahead of that

1439
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:46,160
knowing that ultimately they're going to

1440
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:47,599
become an MS4

1441
01:04:47,599 --> 01:04:49,440
>> putting their infrastructure in certain

1442
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:50,079
areas.

1443
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:52,799
>> Yeah. So, they're kind of

1444
01:04:52,799 --> 01:04:54,880
plan, you know, if the development can't

1445
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,200
pay for, you know, a debris basin or

1446
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:58,799
something like that. They they're trying

1447
01:04:58,799 --> 01:05:01,760
to push that. Um they're a lot of their

1448
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,839
code and requirements kind of gearing

1449
01:05:03,839 --> 01:05:07,359
themselves towards an MS4 eventually.

1450
01:05:07,359 --> 01:05:07,680
So,

1451
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:08,319
>> okay.

1452
01:05:08,319 --> 01:05:10,480
>> I mean, it's it's really up to the city,

1453
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,000
you know, if you want to get out of it.

1454
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,559
I mean, it is coming eventually at some

1455
01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:16,559
point. So,

1456
01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:17,599
>> Oh, thank you.

1457
01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:21,039
>> I would mention for storm water, I mean,

1458
01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:22,880
there is the West Bank, you know, master

1459
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:24,160
plan that looked at storm water kind of

1460
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,559
in that area, but, uh, if you're looking

1461
01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:28,559
at kind of this citywide, it would be

1462
01:05:28,559 --> 01:05:30,640
good at some point to do a storm drain

1463
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:38,789
master plan.

1464
01:05:38,799 --> 01:05:41,440
rule says 100,000, but I mean we don't

1465
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,145
need to take that to the bank.

1466
01:05:43,145 --> 01:05:44,000
[laughter]

1467
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:45,839
>> I'm pretty confident it's good to

1468
01:05:45,839 --> 01:05:47,280
>> Yeah, I think I think there's a

1469
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,039
distinction there. There's a

1470
01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:50,400
>> Yeah, there's Yeah, exactly. There's a

1471
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,960
small MS4, so it'd be a small M4.

1472
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:54,960
>> Yeah.

1473
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:56,720
>> Interesting.

1474
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:58,079
>> And then you hit on this. I appreciate

1475
01:05:58,079 --> 01:05:59,839
it. As far as future growth and that

1476
01:05:59,839 --> 01:06:01,280
projection, I know originally we were

1477
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,119
looking at lower percentages and it

1478
01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:04,720
looks like I

1479
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:08,309
>> I know that's a

1480
01:06:08,319 --> 01:06:08,880
» right. Yeah.

1481
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,440
>> Crystal ball approach to Yes. There's

1482
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,240
science behind it obviously. Um yeah, we

1483
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,240
look at you know Census Bureau data. We

1484
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,960
look at Kim Garner Institute. We look at

1485
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,799
building past building permits. We look

1486
01:06:20,799 --> 01:06:23,200
at a bunch of different things but and

1487
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,559
that's just it it is just kind of a well

1488
01:06:26,559 --> 01:06:29,039
what's best best guess approach try to

1489
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:30,319
be a little bit more conservative

1490
01:06:30,319 --> 01:06:32,880
because after co when I think it was in

1491
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:36,640
22 22 when we did the first amendment

1492
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:39,760
after about six years if I remember

1493
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,000
right it was like oh wow it's going to

1494
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,079
really grow because of covid right and

1495
01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:45,920
then we we kind of did the opposite

1496
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:46,880
approach where we thought it was going

1497
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:48,640
to grow a lot more than it actually did

1498
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:50,880
and and then you don't have the money

1499
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:54,480
then to actually do the project. So it's better to be a little bit more

1500
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:55,119
conservative.

1501
01:06:55,119 --> 01:06:58,960
>> Yeah. And I appreciate that approach. I

1502
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:02,319
>> and being able to adjust year to year as

1503
01:07:02,319 --> 01:07:04,880
we as we look at that that is a concern

1504
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,520
having getting on the one side of the

1505
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:09,039
equ you know too far on the one side of

1506
01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:11,200
the equation where we we haven't

1507
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,680
captured what we should capture. So

1508
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:15,039
>> yeah, and that's the problem if you

1509
01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:17,599
don't amend them manually is you may

1510
01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:20,400
miss out on projects that you need to

1511
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,960
include because that has happened in the

1512
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:26,240
past with Grantsville. Yeah. But there's

1513
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,400
been some projects that that were in

1514
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,200
there but weren't previously part of

1515
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:35,200
Grantsville City and then weren't able to collect impact bees and

1516
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:39,510
use impact bees for a project.

1517
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:45,589
Any

1518
01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:51,910
other questions for Robert?

1519
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:53,520
» Good. Thank you so much.

1520
01:07:53,520 --> 01:08:03,510
>> Thank you,

1521
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,480
» Mayor. I I make a a motion and move to

1522
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:08,079
approve the amendments to the capital

1523
01:08:08,079 --> 01:08:10,960
facilities plan impact fee facilities

1524
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,760
plan and the impact fee analysis as

1525
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:15,039
presented.

1526
01:08:15,039 --> 01:08:16,799
>> Okay, we have a motion by council member

1527
01:08:16,799 --> 01:08:19,279
Butler. Is there a second?

1528
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:20,480
>> I'll second the motion.

1529
01:08:20,480 --> 01:08:22,480
>> Second by council member Skinner. All in

1530
01:08:22,480 --> 01:08:23,440
favor?

1531
01:08:23,440 --> 01:08:25,120
>> I.

1532
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:30,630
>> Right.

1533
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,920
All right. Moving on to item number 11.

1534
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:37,120
This is also a public hearing item.

1535
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:40,319
The consideration of ordinance 2026-18

1536
01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:42,000
approving amendments to the Grantsville

1537
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,239
City Land Use and Management Code,

1538
01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:48,400
chapters 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 14, 15, 16, 20,

1539
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:51,839
and 21. And we're going to have a

1540
01:08:51,839 --> 01:08:54,719
presentation first and then you're will

1541
01:08:54,719 --> 01:08:57,440
be have the opportunity to make a

1542
01:08:57,440 --> 01:08:59,679
comment um on that and then we will

1543
01:08:59,679 --> 01:09:01,920
discuss it. But it looks like we have

1544
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:03,279
Bill here to talk about it.

1545
01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:04,239
>> It's me.

1546
01:09:04,239 --> 01:09:04,719
>> Yay.

1547
01:09:04,719 --> 01:09:06,799
>> Hello and welcome to spring again.

1548
01:09:06,799 --> 01:09:10,000
Spring 2.0. I love the weather. It's uh

1549
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:11,759
>> I didn't see a cloud in the sky walking

1550
01:09:11,759 --> 01:09:14,080
in and I there's something about my soul

1551
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,199
that I just love that. So [laughter]

1552
01:09:17,199 --> 01:09:20,080
>> um we have quite a few changes. Uh this

1553
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:22,400
is one of those things those uh agenda

1554
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:24,960
items that becomes like sausage making

1555
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:29,040
and um it's not glorious. It's not

1556
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:33,040
exciting like a capital facilities plan,

1557
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:33,600
but [laughter]

1558
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,799
uh this is uh this is important work.

1559
01:09:36,799 --> 01:09:39,120
It's it's a lot most of these changes

1560
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:40,960
that you've seen are are relatively

1561
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,920
minor. They're tweaks that help us to um

1562
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,799
clarify points within the code and um

1563
01:09:46,799 --> 01:09:48,480
bring the code more into compliance both

1564
01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:50,880
with itself as well as with state code

1565
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:53,199
and uh help provide clarity for

1566
01:09:53,199 --> 01:09:55,679
developers and property owners who want

1567
01:09:55,679 --> 01:09:58,640
to do things with their property. So, um

1568
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:00,000
I don't know if you want to go through

1569
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,120
each specific item or we could just open

1570
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:04,880
it up to if you have questions after

1571
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:08,640
having gone through this beautiful 166

1572
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:12,640
page I think it was 166 pages of this

1573
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:13,920
agenda item.

1574
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:17,199
>> Um but so my preference would be if you

1575
01:10:17,199 --> 01:10:19,040
just have specific questions then I

1576
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:22,159
won't have to go through every item

1577
01:10:22,159 --> 01:10:24,239
um one at a time but we can

1578
01:10:24,239 --> 01:10:26,763
>> is everybody okay with that approach?

1579
01:10:26,763 --> 01:10:29,679
[clears throat] Yeah, I I will just add

1580
01:10:29,679 --> 01:10:32,000
when the planning commission

1581
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,560
um I bet this was discussed and

1582
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:36,640
presented to them and different

1583
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:38,159
iterations

1584
01:10:38,159 --> 01:10:39,679
at least a half a dozen times.

1585
01:10:39,679 --> 01:10:40,320
>> Yep.

1586
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:42,400
>> Over the last six months. So,

1587
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:44,320
>> we're getting that sausage recipe just

1588
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:45,679
right. [laughter]

1589
01:10:45,679 --> 01:10:47,679
>> Derek, do you remember going through

1590
01:10:47,679 --> 01:10:48,480
some of these?

1591
01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:49,440
>> Oh, yeah.

1592
01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:50,320
>> Back in [laughter]

1593
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:50,800
November.

1594
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:52,800
>> It's been It's been a while. Yes.

1595
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:54,159
>> Yeah. It's been it's been a while in the

1596
01:10:54,159 --> 01:10:55,120
making and there's been a lot of

1597
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:57,520
iterations and and really kudos to the

1598
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,920
planning and and and zoning uh

1599
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:01,679
commission for for their efforts that

1600
01:11:01,679 --> 01:11:03,840
they put into this and and really diving

1601
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:05,440
in and and and making it what it needs

1602
01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:08,400
to be and and both of you as well your

1603
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:12,080
teams. So there's a lot lot there. I've

1604
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:14,080
left those meetings and have dreams

1605
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,880
about this. [laughter]

1606
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:18,880
>> Is this a sideyard or

1607
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:21,280
>> dream? [laughter]

1608
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,120
>> This is it. And it is really exhausting

1609
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:27,199
work. Uh they we massage every phrase,

1610
01:11:27,199 --> 01:11:29,760
every requirement, every stipulation in

1611
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,719
this document to make sure that it meets

1612
01:11:32,719 --> 01:11:35,760
what we hope to uh have in our city. And

1613
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:36,880
so [laughter]

1614
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:37,679
um

1615
01:11:37,679 --> 01:11:40,800
>> any errors in favor of the

1616
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:41,440
applicant,

1617
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:43,120
>> right? So, if there are errors, and we

1618
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:45,440
try to make sure there aren't any errors

1619
01:11:45,440 --> 01:11:47,280
or inconsistencies,

1620
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:49,360
um they do they are interpreted and

1621
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,600
applied in favor of the applicant and

1622
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,800
the applicant's desires. And so,

1623
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,040
um again, a lot of these are are those

1624
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:59,360
kinds of cleanup items that will help to

1625
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:02,239
uh clarify what our intent is as well as

1626
01:12:02,239 --> 01:12:05,040
uh put codify what uh we want to see on

1627
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:12,865
the ground.

1628
01:12:12,875 --> 01:12:15,510
» [clears throat]

1629
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,950
» Okay,

1630
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:21,280
we public hearing and then we discuss

1631
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:22,159
it.

1632
01:12:22,159 --> 01:12:23,520
>> Okay,

1633
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:24,880
>> I think we're good. Thanks. Okay,

1634
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:26,239
>> thanks, Phil.

1635
01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:27,840
>> All right, we will now This will now

1636
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:29,360
become a public hearing. So, if you

1637
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:30,800
would like to make a comment on this

1638
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,600
item, this is your opportunity to do so.

1639
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:35,120
If you're online and would like to make

1640
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:37,280
an item or a comment on this item,

1641
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:44,790
please raise your hand.

1642
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:49,510
Anything online, Alicia?

1643
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,719
All right, I'm seeing no public comment.

1644
01:12:52,719 --> 01:12:54,239
So, we will move into a council

1645
01:12:54,239 --> 01:12:55,840
discussion

1646
01:12:55,840 --> 01:13:07,030
on this item.

1647
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:09,679
did mention um just the planning and

1648
01:13:09,679 --> 01:13:11,360
zoning commission reviewing this

1649
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:13,360
multiple times and in this latest

1650
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:18,159
iteration was um was passed recently. Um

1651
01:13:18,159 --> 01:13:21,360
it was a unanimous um passing with the

1652
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:22,560
entire group.

1653
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,120
>> Um and

1654
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,760
anyways, just just wanted to make that

1655
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:29,920
noted. Yeah, there's been a lot of work

1656
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:31,600
and a lot of discussion that's gone into

1657
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,239
this over the last five or six months

1658
01:13:34,239 --> 01:13:37,360
and a lot of work by the staff. So, we

1659
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:42,149
appreciate that.

1660
01:13:42,159 --> 01:13:43,920
Yeah, I didn't have any other comments

1661
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:46,400
other than just thank the staff for the

1662
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:48,880
time and effort to put to clean up a lot

1663
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:52,880
of loose ends that we had and and

1664
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:56,239
incorrections. Um,

1665
01:13:56,239 --> 01:13:58,239
you know, it's it's it's been a lot to

1666
01:13:58,239 --> 01:14:01,120
get to this point. So,

1667
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:02,800
and I think this meeting why not have

1668
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:06,640
another 180 page document we throw in

1669
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,120
there. [laughter]

1670
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:12,000
>> Anyway, thank you for your efforts.

1671
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:17,120
>> The interesting thing about all this is is it perfect? No. I think we can all

1672
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:17,920
be back for sure.

1673
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:20,080
>> But I mean, it it is a step in the right

1674
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:25,199
direction. there's some things that are taken out and and clarified and

1675
01:14:25,199 --> 01:14:26,880
you know as I've said before it's been

1676
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:30,480
thoroughly vetted um on multiple levels.

1677
01:14:30,480 --> 01:14:40,630
So

1678
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:42,000
» I did have a question. I'm just trying

1679
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:43,840
to find it right here. Right here so I

1680
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:46,320
can reference it. let me know and I'll

1681
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:49,120
go to that page

1682
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:53,430
or if you need me to search anything.

1683
01:14:53,440 --> 01:14:55,199
» It wasn't about the horses, was it?

1684
01:14:55,199 --> 01:14:57,281
>> It's exactly where I'm going to

1685
01:14:57,281 --> 01:14:57,679
[laughter]

1686
01:14:57,679 --> 01:14:59,840
>> cuz the animals

1687
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:01,679
that word,

1688
01:15:01,679 --> 01:15:02,000
>> huh?

1689
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:05,600
>> Are you thinking of chapter two?

1690
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:07,600
Um,

1691
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:28,390
>> that multiple.

1692
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:31,120
So just clarify the difference to me on

1693
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,520
the family food production because it

1694
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,280
looks like it's permitted and everything

1695
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:37,199
and then conditional. I think that's

1696
01:15:37,199 --> 01:15:40,000
RM15.

1697
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,477
>> Keep

1698
01:15:42,477 --> 01:15:45,040
[snorts] 58 I think on the thing.

1699
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:46,239
>> Oh, you're 58.

1700
01:15:46,239 --> 01:15:48,640
>> My Yeah.

1701
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:49,600
>> What's your 58

1702
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:52,400
>> or Yeah. Or 57 on the document it says.

1703
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:54,719
>> Should we scroll down? Well, just on

1704
01:15:54,719 --> 01:15:57,440
your main sheet just just so I can see

1705
01:15:57,440 --> 01:15:59,120
if it's RM7 or

1706
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:01,040
>> Yeah, I'm trying to It pops like right

1707
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:02,239
as soon as I get to [clears throat]

1708
01:16:02,239 --> 01:16:03,280
>> scroll up.

1709
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:04,640
>> Well, that's page. Okay.

1710
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:06,560
>> Yeah, right there.

1711
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:08,159
>> Are you talking about this red line

1712
01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:10,640
that's right here

1713
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:12,800
on your screen?

1714
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,760
>> That was one thing I was going to

1715
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:18,719
>> see because it's it's conditional was

1716
01:16:18,719 --> 01:16:20,239
crossed out in that one.

1717
01:16:20,239 --> 01:16:22,080
>> Correct. So that's removing it from the

1718
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:24,480
RM7 zoning. [clears throat]

1719
01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:28,400
>> Um, as we seen last night,

1720
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:29,679
>> not possible. [clears throat]

1721
01:16:29,679 --> 01:16:31,520
>> Yeah, it's almost impossible to keep

1722
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:34,159
animals on halfacre lots, let alone

1723
01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:36,560
7,000 square foot lots. And so we're

1724
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:40,719
finding that yes, there are RM7

1725
01:16:40,719 --> 01:16:43,199
lots or lots in the RM7 zoning that are

1726
01:16:43,199 --> 01:16:46,560
a lot larger than 7,000 square feet, but

1727
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:49,040
now we're seeing to where they can keep

1728
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:52,560
15 or 20 animals in the RM7 that's

1729
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:55,840
supposed to be higher density zoning

1730
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,000
with smaller lots. And then we're

1731
01:16:58,000 --> 01:16:59,760
getting that negative feedback from

1732
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:01,840
those residents going, "Hey, this isn't

1733
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:03,760
what I moved here for because of this

1734
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,400
zoning." And so as these lots get

1735
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:08,640
smaller, they're not able to keep them

1736
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:11,040
in there because of the lot size

1737
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:13,360
restrictions. And so, as you can see,

1738
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:15,280
it's already been removed from the RM15

1739
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:18,960
and R18. So, we're just removing the RM7

1740
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:26,950
and following with that.

1741
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:28,800
» And that one's Ford.

1742
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,120
>> That is the RM7 that's crossed out.

1743
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:32,719
>> What's that? What does it say though up

1744
01:17:32,719 --> 01:17:35,280
there on top? Do I just see if you

1745
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:36,448
scroll up a little bit? Says

1746
01:17:36,448 --> 01:17:37,840
[clears throat] then six. Is that the

1747
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:39,280
family food production one?

1748
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:43,280
>> Yes. So, family food production um and

1749
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,920
keeping of large, medium, and small

1750
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:47,840
animals. The first large animal fully

1751
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,640
grown is 10,000 square feet of open

1752
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:52,960
area. And each additional large animal

1753
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:54,719
shall have an additional 2,000 square

1754
01:17:54,719 --> 01:17:58,239
ft. Each mediumsized animal fully grown

1755
01:17:58,239 --> 01:18:01,120
shall have a 1,000 square feet of open

1756
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:05,360
area not to exceed more than six medium

1757
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:08,480
animals per half acre.

1758
01:18:08,480 --> 01:18:11,280
Um you know if you have 7,000 square

1759
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:13,520
feet and that's seven animals or if you

1760
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:17,120
have you know a half acre that's 21

1761
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:19,280
medium goats that you could have on

1762
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:22,480
there. Uh so then we go down to each

1763
01:18:22,480 --> 01:18:24,719
smallsized animal shall have 100 square

1764
01:18:24,719 --> 01:18:26,400
feet.

1765
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:28,960
Um

1766
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:31,440
>> so so that's my question. So it's you've

1767
01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:33,040
crossed it out of conditional there. But

1768
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:35,679
if you scroll down to the raising of

1769
01:18:35,679 --> 01:18:38,320
ducks and chickens,

1770
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:41,360
it's permitted in most zones. So if I

1771
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:43,280
just say this isn't for family food

1772
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:44,560
production.

1773
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:47,760
>> So as long as you only have six

1774
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:49,920
animals, you're fine. But that's for

1775
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:51,040
more than six.

1776
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,120
>> Yes. Anything more than six, they still

1777
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:56,159
have to meet the 100 square foot per

1778
01:18:56,159 --> 01:18:59,600
chicken or duck or goose.

1779
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:01,760
>> So then they only need 600 square feet.

1780
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:04,800
I mean, yeah, you could have ducks or

1781
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:09,750
chickens on a 7,000 foot lot.

1782
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:11,040
» That was my other thing last night when

1783
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:12,560
we were talking about it. Like, do you

1784
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:14,159
really need a 100 foot buffer for a

1785
01:19:14,159 --> 01:19:15,679
chicken?

1786
01:19:15,679 --> 01:19:18,159
I mean, I can see it for large animals

1787
01:19:18,159 --> 01:19:19,280
because you don't want them leaning on

1788
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:21,520
the fence or even medium. You don't want

1789
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:23,760
them ruining that for But you need a 100

1790
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,560
foot buffer for a chicken.

1791
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:27,760
>> Multiple chickens. Yeah.

1792
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:29,280
>> Yeah. [laughter]

1793
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:32,159
>> No, I've have smaller yard than this and

1794
01:19:32,159 --> 01:19:34,080
I've had multiple chickens and they

1795
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:35,920
don't bother anybody unless you get a

1796
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:36,239
rooster.

1797
01:19:36,239 --> 01:19:37,440
>> Unless you get a rooster.

1798
01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:38,880
>> Yeah. Then that's a whole another

1799
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:39,760
conversation.

1800
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:41,199
>> Don't get me Don't get me started on

1801
01:19:41,199 --> 01:19:42,960
>> But I'm with you, Derek. I you know I I

1802
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:44,800
feel like the 100 foot setback is a lot

1803
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,360
but it has been a part of our code for a

1804
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:54,790
really long time and

1805
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:59,669
» just add that to my list. [laughter]

1806
01:19:59,679 --> 01:20:01,199
I think that was the only thing I just

1807
01:20:01,199 --> 01:20:03,760
wanted that cleared

1808
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:14,550
up.

1809
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:17,679
Any other questions or concerns

1810
01:20:17,679 --> 01:20:24,470
on item 11?

1811
01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:30,000
If not, I would love a motion.

1812
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,320
>> Mayor, I make a motion. We move to

1813
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:34,880
approve ordinance 2026-18

1814
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:36,560
approving amendments to the Grantsville

1815
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:38,880
City Land Use and Management Codes

1816
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:44,880
chapters 46 7 8 9 14 15 16 20 and 21.

1817
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:46,400
>> We have a motion by Council Member

1818
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:48,080
Thomas. Is there a second?

1819
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:48,880
>> Second.

1820
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:50,880
by Council Member Butler. All in

1821
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:52,239
favor?

1822
01:20:52,239 --> 01:20:53,520
>> I I

1823
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:57,590
>> Okay,

1824
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,800
moving on to item number 12.

1825
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,360
A presentation and consideration of

1826
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:06,000
resolution 2026-36

1827
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:08,560
documenting compliance with truth and

1828
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:10,719
taxation statement requirements under

1829
01:21:10,719 --> 01:21:13,520
59-2-919

1830
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:15,679
in anticipation of council's adoption of

1831
01:21:15,679 --> 01:21:18,800
the tentative fiscal year 2027 budget

1832
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:20,880
and establishing a time and place of a

1833
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:24,080
public hearing to consider its adoption.

1834
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:26,000
And this will be

1835
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,280
presented by Aspen.

1836
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:33,040
>> All right. council. Okay, let's see. I

1837
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:36,480
am going to start by reading the

1838
01:21:36,480 --> 01:21:38,560
statement of intent which is item A on

1839
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:42,560
the agenda of 12A and that will address

1840
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:46,159
B, C, DE, E, and G. And then I'll follow

1841
01:21:46,159 --> 01:21:47,360
it up with the presentation of the

1842
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:48,960
proposed property tax impact schedule

1843
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:52,320
which is 12F and then we'll actually

1844
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:56,560
look at the tenative budget. So I'll

1845
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:59,040
start with the reading.

1846
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:00,719
Tonight I am presenting the tenative

1847
01:22:00,719 --> 01:22:02,639
budget for grants city for fiscal year

1848
01:22:02,639 --> 01:22:05,280
2027. This tenative budget includes a

1849
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,360
proposal to levy an property tax rate

1850
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:10,080
that exceeds the certified tax rate. The

1851
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:13,120
approximate dollar amount of additional

1852
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:15,679
ad valorum property tax revenue

1853
01:22:15,679 --> 01:22:18,000
generated by the proposed tax increase

1854
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:23,189
is 1,749,71.

1855
01:22:23,199 --> 01:22:25,120
The approximate percentage increase in

1856
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:27,840
advorum property tax revenue generated

1857
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:32,159
by the property tax increase is 84%.

1858
01:22:32,159 --> 01:22:34,159
The additional revenue generated by the

1859
01:22:34,159 --> 01:22:37,440
proposed tax increase is intended

1860
01:22:37,440 --> 01:22:39,760
to be used to fund the additional

1861
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:41,280
staffing requirements for parks and

1862
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:44,000
recreation to support the scenic slopes

1863
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,080
coming online as well as conduct a

1864
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:50,080
compensation study as well as allow us

1865
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:53,520
to function with a 3%

1866
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:57,520
um inflation increase without using fund

1867
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:00,639
balance which is our savings. A property

1868
01:23:00,639 --> 01:23:02,400
tax impact schedule has been prepared

1869
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:04,480
and is being presented tonight. This

1870
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:06,320
schedule outlines the estimated impact

1871
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:08,560
of the proposed tax increase on various

1872
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:11,920
property values. The property tax impact

1873
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:13,920
schedule is available to the public and

1874
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:17,040
on our website at grantsvilleut.gov,

1875
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:19,679
the Utah public notice website, as well

1876
01:23:19,679 --> 01:23:22,239
as in the city reporters office. If

1877
01:23:22,239 --> 01:23:23,920
Gransville City proceeds with the

1878
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,320
proposed tax rate increase, Grantsville

1879
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:28,400
City will provide notice of and conduct

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01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,159
a public hearing at a future meeting

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01:23:30,159 --> 01:23:31,840
where members of the public will have an

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01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:33,679
opportunity to provide comments on the

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01:23:33,679 --> 01:23:36,480
proposed property tax increase. This

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01:23:36,480 --> 01:23:37,840
concludes the required statements

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01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:39,679
regarding the proposed tax increase

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01:23:39,679 --> 01:23:42,639
included in the tenative budget.

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01:23:42,639 --> 01:23:46,159
All right, on our screens we have the

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01:23:46,159 --> 01:23:51,990
property tax impact schedule.

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01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:53,520
Sorry, let me pull it up on my own so I

1890
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:57,280
can read it. Um, so

1891
01:23:57,280 --> 01:23:59,600
um, as it states at the top, we are

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01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:03,520
considering a property tax increase rate

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01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:06,320
from which will increase our rate from

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01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:08,159
001368

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01:24:08,159 --> 01:24:10,560
to 002517.

1896
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:12,400
This exceeds the certified tax rate and

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01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:14,719
is estimated to generate an additional

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01:24:14,719 --> 01:24:17,750
$1,749,71

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01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:20,400
in property tax revenue.

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01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,080
Um,

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01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:24,400
as you go down, you can see it outlines

1902
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:26,880
what our current property tax rate is at

1903
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:31,040
the 1368, which currently generates

1904
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:34,000
$2,82,977

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01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:36,480
in property tax revenue.

1906
01:24:36,480 --> 01:24:40,719
Now this proposed revenue with the tax

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01:24:40,719 --> 01:24:42,800
rate increase does not consider new

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01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:46,480
growth. Um so there would be some there

1909
01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:48,639
but without including new growth the

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01:24:48,639 --> 01:24:51,040
estimated revenue is expected to be

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01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:55,350
3,832,678

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01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:59,199
which is an increase of $1,749.

1913
01:24:59,199 --> 01:25:02,719
Oh $49,000 excuse me $71.

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01:25:02,719 --> 01:25:05,040
So, um, as stated, that results in

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01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:08,800
approximately an 84% increase.

1916
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:13,840
Um, the average, uh, median sale price

1917
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,320
for Grantsville City Homes from the

1918
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:18,320
Tullet County Assessor's Office was

1919
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:21,840
reported to be $530,88.

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01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:24,960
Um, at our estim at our current tax

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01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:29,280
rate, they pay that $3984.

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01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:31,679
That's annually.

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01:25:31,679 --> 01:25:33,600
than this average home, right? So, with

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01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:35,280
the proposed tax increase, that would

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01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:39,590
increase it to $73383

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01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:42,159
a year, which is approximately $334

1927
01:25:42,159 --> 01:25:43,679
increase

1928
01:25:43,679 --> 01:25:47,600
annually, which results in $27.92

1929
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:50,320
of a monthly increase for our on the

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01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:52,159
average home.

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Um, with that, if we scroll down some,

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01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:58,719
um, these are the affected departments.

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01:25:58,719 --> 01:26:03,360
We I did split it out somewhat. Um

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01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:07,840
the in our general fund in our general

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01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:10,560
city hall budget for human resources,

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01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:13,920
they are requesting $30,000 to conduct a

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01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:17,360
pay and compensation study. Um we feel

1938
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:18,880
like that's important to be able to get

1939
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,360
our city on track with ensuring that we

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01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:24,320
are paying accurate wages for all of our

1941
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:26,159
employees. and from what Michael and I

1942
01:26:26,159 --> 01:26:28,560
and our HR director can find, we haven't

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01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:31,040
had one done. So, we're recommending

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01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:33,520
that. Um, also separately, we're

1945
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:35,520
recommending that parks and recreation

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01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:38,960
have additional staff for Scenic Slopes.

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01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:43,199
Um, and um, as it is coming getting

1948
01:26:43,199 --> 01:26:45,199
completed this year, we will need

1949
01:26:45,199 --> 01:26:48,159
additional staff to tend to the new

1950
01:26:48,159 --> 01:26:51,440
park. And then overall all of our

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01:26:51,440 --> 01:26:54,000
general fund departments

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01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:57,360
um it would be to cover a 3% inflation

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01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:59,600
increase on all budget lines for fiscal

1954
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:03,040
year 2027. So that 3% inflation increase

1955
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:04,719
on all budget lines from what was

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01:27:04,719 --> 01:27:07,280
budgeted in 2026.

1957
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:09,920
Now there are some adjustments to that

1958
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:13,120
like earlier Chief Sager mentioned that

1959
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:14,880
we I already have it in the budget for

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01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:17,199
the new rate for the dispatch fees which

1961
01:27:17,199 --> 01:27:19,280
actually went down. So, there are some

1962
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:22,480
lines that won't show a true 3%

1963
01:27:22,480 --> 01:27:24,400
increase, but generally speaking,

1964
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:27,360
there'll be a 3% increase on the budget

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01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:30,159
lines that are presented, which all

1966
01:27:30,159 --> 01:27:32,560
those added up together

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01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:34,880
accounts for the additional 1.1

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01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:40,070
$1,749,71.

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01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:43,520
So with that

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we can look at

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the I have a slideshow presentation.

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Um is it showing yours right? Okay.

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01:27:56,159 --> 01:27:57,600
Sorry. I would have it on mine so I just

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01:27:57,600 --> 01:27:58,639
want to make sure.

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>> No you're good. Okay. So just go to the

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01:28:00,719 --> 01:28:02,320
next one.

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01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:04,320
>> Okay. So um just kind of going to go

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01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:05,840
over a tenative budget statement which

1979
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:07,360
is again just reiterating for

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01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:09,760
transparency that the tenative budget

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01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:12,400
does currently include the proposed tax

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01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:14,560
rate increase. Um we'll then go over

1983
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:16,159
some budget updates that we've done this

1984
01:28:16,159 --> 01:28:18,639
year. We'll review the asks from

1985
01:28:18,639 --> 01:28:22,560
departments that were um recommended by

1986
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:24,719
staff but are not included in the budget

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01:28:24,719 --> 01:28:29,440
because we don't have um funds for that.

1988
01:28:29,440 --> 01:28:32,880
and then um yeah, we'll just continue

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01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:37,430
through for the actual budget.

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01:28:37,440 --> 01:28:39,280
Okay, so

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01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:42,080
just to be sure, as the tenative budget

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01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:44,480
is presented tonight, it does already

1993
01:28:44,480 --> 01:28:46,480
include the proposed property tax rate

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01:28:46,480 --> 01:28:49,120
increase. That is an 84% increase,

1995
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:51,520
increasing our property tax rate from

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01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:53,280
001368

1997
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:55,679
to 002517,

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01:28:55,679 --> 01:29:00,790
which results in approximately $1,749,71

1999
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:02,320
in additional property tax revenue for

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01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:05,600
Grantsville City.

2001
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:07,760
So, some things that we have done this

2002
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:12,159
year um that we'll you'll notice is we

2003
01:29:12,159 --> 01:29:14,320
have tried to reallocate some of like

2004
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:16,480
the line item names such as we had

2005
01:29:16,480 --> 01:29:18,239
several we had a line item that was in

2006
01:29:18,239 --> 01:29:20,800
several departments labeled CDs, books,

2007
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:22,639
and written materials. That's kind of

2008
01:29:22,639 --> 01:29:24,960
just gone by the wayside. That's not

2009
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:27,440
something that we

2010
01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:30,320
typically need to buy specifically for.

2011
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:32,000
So, we've kind of done away with that

2012
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:35,360
budget line and we've um put those funds

2013
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:38,080
that were budgeted in there into office

2014
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:40,400
supplies, something that would be make

2015
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:44,719
more sense. Um we did also um establish

2016
01:29:44,719 --> 01:29:46,719
some things that standardized things

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01:29:46,719 --> 01:29:48,480
across the board. There was several

2018
01:29:48,480 --> 01:29:49,520
departments that had employee

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01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:53,760
appreciation um but they were at various

2020
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:56,080
budget amounts. So, it wasn't clear how

2021
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:59,520
much who got how much for what reason.

2022
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:01,600
And so we did just standardize that at

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01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:05,120
$150 per employee and then each

2024
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:06,560
department gets that for the number of

2025
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:09,120
employees that they have. So that got

2026
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:12,080
adjusted. Um and then we did just take

2027
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:14,320
things we did adjust some line items

2028
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:17,360
just to make them more accurate I

2029
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:19,040
suppose. So there was a lot of budget

2030
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:21,120
lines that had budget in them that

2031
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:23,199
wasn't actually getting spent. And so we

2032
01:30:23,199 --> 01:30:24,400
did just take those down to better

2033
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:28,400
reflect actual spending that occurs um

2034
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:33,430
in those lines. So

2035
01:30:33,440 --> 01:30:36,480
okay. So the 3%

2036
01:30:36,480 --> 01:30:38,880
inflation did apply we did apply that in

2037
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:41,600
the tenative budget to current staff. So

2038
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:44,960
that would result in a 3% increase for

2039
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:48,960
staff wages. Um however, staff insurance

2040
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:52,239
as um our HR director presented on

2041
01:30:52,239 --> 01:30:54,880
Friday um through PHP, our insurance has

2042
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:58,239
gone up 5%. So that budget line item

2043
01:30:58,239 --> 01:31:00,560
does actually have a 5% increase just

2044
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:02,080
based on the increase that's required

2045
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:03,760
through PHP.

2046
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:05,040
So just so you're aware of that, that

2047
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:08,800
one will not follow the 3%.

2048
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:12,719
Okay. So these are some asks from the

2049
01:31:12,719 --> 01:31:15,280
departments that we felt were important.

2050
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:16,800
um like I had mentioned and it is

2051
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:18,320
highlighted for transparency but the

2052
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:19,840
parks and recreation staff for scenic

2053
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:21,679
slopes going online is recommended and

2054
01:31:21,679 --> 01:31:23,199
included in the consideration for the

2055
01:31:23,199 --> 01:31:26,000
property tax rate increase. However, we

2056
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:27,920
did feel like it was important to note

2057
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:30,159
that the police department is actually

2058
01:31:30,159 --> 01:31:31,760
requesting

2059
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:33,440
um they did request to have an

2060
01:31:33,440 --> 01:31:35,920
additional four officers come on this

2061
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:38,719
next fiscal year due to growth. Um the

2062
01:31:38,719 --> 01:31:41,600
rule is to have 1.42 officers per 10,000

2063
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:44,080
people. We're actually already operating

2064
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:47,280
behind the curve on that. Um and so

2065
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:49,600
ideally, um the police department would

2066
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:51,120
have liked to have hired two additional

2067
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:53,520
officers in July and then another one in

2068
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:55,520
January and another one in March of next

2069
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:59,040
year. Um however, that ask is not

2070
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:01,440
included in the budget as it stands

2071
01:32:01,440 --> 01:32:04,320
tonight. Um just thought that we wanted

2072
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:06,080
to bring up the ask. The fire department

2073
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:09,360
would also like an increase

2074
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:10,320
um for [clears throat] their siphon

2075
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:12,239
amount

2076
01:32:12,239 --> 01:32:15,679
for the next one. Okay. Um this was some

2077
01:32:15,679 --> 01:32:17,600
office equipment and other asks that

2078
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:20,000
were asked for across departments. Um

2079
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:21,840
the fire department as we addressed

2080
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:23,760
tonight with 6700. Since that was

2081
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:25,440
approved, I will include that in the

2082
01:32:25,440 --> 01:32:29,360
budget for their badges. Um

2083
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:32,080
they did ask for 15,000 total to have

2084
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:33,760
that available for their 100redyear

2085
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:36,800
celebration. Um then we also have the

2086
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:38,960
planning um community development asked

2087
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:40,960
to have um a planning commission

2088
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:42,960
appreciation budget which we had

2089
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:47,120
budgeted for in at the same umund just

2090
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:48,480
at the same rate that our employee

2091
01:32:48,480 --> 01:32:52,560
appreciation is in um finance and

2092
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:54,400
recorders office did request a new

2093
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:56,320
printer um that would be at least

2094
01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:57,360
through less Olson and it's

2095
01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:01,040
approximately $300 $36 a month which

2096
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:04,719
results in $3,672 for the year. um mayor

2097
01:33:04,719 --> 01:33:08,000
and for the mayor's budget for rodeo was

2098
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:11,600
um as we did that this year, excuse me,

2099
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:13,120
it wasn't included in the budget last

2100
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:16,480
year. Um but to budget for that, we did

2101
01:33:16,480 --> 01:33:18,560
request 25,000 just for the continuation

2102
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:20,639
of the rodeo. Um that would cover the

2103
01:33:20,639 --> 01:33:23,120
stock contractor and the clown. Ideally,

2104
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:24,880
we would get sponsors as we have this

2105
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:27,760
year to cover that, but in the event we

2106
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:29,199
would at least be able to cover that

2107
01:33:29,199 --> 01:33:31,760
portion of the rodeo. Um, and then also

2108
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:33,679
mayor and council training to be sure

2109
01:33:33,679 --> 01:33:35,840
this budget line the amount doesn't

2110
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:37,840
change. It just changed from the city

2111
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:39,520
hall budget. It's all still in the

2112
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:41,120
general fund, but it moved from the city

2113
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:43,520
hall budget to the mayor's budget just

2114
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:45,840
for transparency and makes it more clear

2115
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:48,480
as mayor and council. You guys are

2116
01:33:48,480 --> 01:33:50,000
obviously separate than the staff here

2117
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:51,440
at city hall. So, we just wanted to

2118
01:33:51,440 --> 01:33:52,800
separate that line out. But, that's the

2119
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:54,480
amount that's been budgeted in previous.

2120
01:33:54,480 --> 01:33:56,960
So, it didn't change. It just moved

2121
01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:58,480
locations.

2122
01:33:58,480 --> 01:34:01,920
Um and then it does include um as well

2123
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:04,480
the HR compensation study for $30,000

2124
01:34:04,480 --> 01:34:06,480
which is included in the property tax

2125
01:34:06,480 --> 01:34:09,600
rate increase. Um

2126
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:11,920
another thing that has been brought up

2127
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:13,920
um that's not included in the tenative

2128
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:15,360
budget but we wanted to bring up for

2129
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:18,560
conversation has been garbage bulk

2130
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:21,840
pickup days. Um

2131
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:23,920
garbage is funded in an enterprise fund

2132
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:25,360
so it's separate from the general fund

2133
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:27,520
so it's not impacted by property taxes.

2134
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:30,239
Um, but if that was something that we

2135
01:34:30,239 --> 01:34:32,159
wanted to pursue, we would also need to

2136
01:34:32,159 --> 01:34:34,960
look at garbage rates, the utility rates

2137
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:36,400
for garbage because this would be an

2138
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:37,520
additional service that's being

2139
01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:40,639
provided. So, um, that's not included

2140
01:34:40,639 --> 01:34:43,199
now, but upon your direction, we can

2141
01:34:43,199 --> 01:34:46,800
follow what you need to there.

2142
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:51,760
Okay, next one. Um, these are

2143
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:54,880
capital projects and equipment. Um the

2144
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:56,400
fire department would like to begin

2145
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:58,159
saving for a new fire truck and just

2146
01:34:58,159 --> 01:34:59,840
putting that on everyone's radar at

2147
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:03,280
$200,000 a year. Um you know with that

2148
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:05,600
we're looking at you know 10 years

2149
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:08,800
before we get 2 million. Um mayor would

2150
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:11,600
also like a city hall remodel which

2151
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:13,120
would allow for the council chambers to

2152
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:15,440
be flopped as well as revamp the front

2153
01:35:15,440 --> 01:35:18,880
entrance to be more um effective for

2154
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:21,280
citizens coming and having the window

2155
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:24,000
actually available at the front. The

2156
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:26,320
library is um would like to have some

2157
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:28,480
roof repairs completed. Um it's been

2158
01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:29,840
leaking and causing issues into their

2159
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:34,400
server room. Um the cemetery had grounds

2160
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:37,360
improvement in for 100,000 um to widen

2161
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:40,480
roads and complete a fencing project.

2162
01:35:40,480 --> 01:35:44,239
And then the water ones and the sewer

2163
01:35:44,239 --> 01:35:46,000
one that are included on here are

2164
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:48,080
separate from the general fund because

2165
01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:50,000
they're their own fund, but they are

2166
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:51,440
included in the tenative budget. And

2167
01:35:51,440 --> 01:35:53,120
that would be for the capital projects

2168
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:55,120
for the Apple Street and Hail Street

2169
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:56,639
water lines as well as the generator

2170
01:35:56,639 --> 01:36:01,600
building. Um and then animal control is

2171
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:02,800
currently out at the wastewater

2172
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:06,719
treatment plant. Um with the different

2173
01:36:06,719 --> 01:36:08,080
with the wastewater treatment plant

2174
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:09,600
that's being built, we will need to

2175
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:11,920
start looking at a new location and

2176
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:13,920
building for animal control in the

2177
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:17,520
coming years. Um it's not that far away.

2178
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:20,000
So, we need to start preparing for what

2179
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:21,120
we're going to do at that point. So,

2180
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:23,061
that was on there as a team.

2181
01:36:23,061 --> 01:36:24,080
[sighs and gasps] And then, of course,

2182
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:26,639
our wastewater treatment plant. And then

2183
01:36:26,639 --> 01:36:29,199
the next one, Alicia, thank you. Um,

2184
01:36:29,199 --> 01:36:30,800
these were some equipment that the

2185
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:33,280
departments would like. Um, fire had the

2186
01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:35,920
extrication tools on there at 90,000.

2187
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:37,760
Um, we are hoping to find grants to

2188
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:39,280
assist with that. So, Alexis is working

2189
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:40,880
closely with the fire department to try

2190
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:44,320
to find funding for that. Um, roads had

2191
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:45,920
just asked for an increase on their

2192
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:48,880
parts and equipment budget line. Um,

2193
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:51,600
parks and wreck had um a few different

2194
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:54,159
items. New park signs, autonomous mower,

2195
01:36:54,159 --> 01:36:56,480
tra landscape trailer, tables and trash

2196
01:36:56,480 --> 01:36:59,679
cans, and drinking fountains to supply

2197
01:36:59,679 --> 01:37:03,040
and take care of our parks. And the

2198
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:04,960
cemetery had standing mower and a

2199
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:07,602
drivable dump trailer um aid

2200
01:37:07,602 --> 01:37:08,400
[clears throat] there as well as a

2201
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:11,040
gopher smoker. And that is the official

2202
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:12,842
name.

2203
01:37:12,842 --> 01:37:13,520
>> [laughter]

2204
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:15,199
>> And then water fund is asking for a

2205
01:37:15,199 --> 01:37:17,760
generator for the well.

2206
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:19,440
>> Okay,

2207
01:37:19,440 --> 01:37:21,199
>> that's the wrong price for a generator

2208
01:37:21,199 --> 01:37:22,000
for the well,

2209
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:23,920
>> I think. Thank you, Christie.

2210
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:24,400
>> Zero.

2211
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:26,400
>> I think did I switch them though? Cuz on

2212
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:28,239
the one before that I had the N is

2213
01:37:28,239 --> 01:37:29,840
300,000.

2214
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:30,880
So I think I might have

2215
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:33,360
>> the building is probably 30,000 and the

2216
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:34,159
generator.

2217
01:37:34,159 --> 01:37:35,440
>> Yeah. So I do think I had those

2218
01:37:35,440 --> 01:37:37,840
switched. But

2219
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:40,719
um

2220
01:37:40,719 --> 01:37:42,480
>> yeah, none of them were actually

2221
01:37:42,480 --> 01:37:43,040
>> included.

2222
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:45,360
>> None of that. Yeah, except for the parks

2223
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:49,440
and wreck employee and the 30 uh 30,000

2224
01:37:49,440 --> 01:37:51,040
compensation study, none of those were

2225
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:53,199
included in the tenative budget as it's

2226
01:37:53,199 --> 01:37:55,440
presented.

2227
01:37:55,440 --> 01:37:57,760
Um

2228
01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:00,080
so let's see.

2229
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:02,320
>> I I'm I'm just curious the autonomous

2230
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:05,040
mower. I I just have a question about

2231
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:06,159
that. Yeah.

2232
01:38:06,159 --> 01:38:09,920
>> And um so is that from one mower?

2233
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:10,639
>> Okay.

2234
01:38:10,639 --> 01:38:12,080
>> And it just takes down from staff,

2235
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:13,679
right? Because like the mower can be set

2236
01:38:13,679 --> 01:38:16,880
and go mow while the staff is on site

2237
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:18,480
doing other things. So you don't have to

2238
01:38:18,480 --> 01:38:20,560
have an additional staff to mow, which

2239
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:24,228
could be cool.

2240
01:38:24,238 --> 01:38:25,199
[laughter]

2241
01:38:25,199 --> 01:38:27,440
>> Um okay. So I do want to give a little

2242
01:38:27,440 --> 01:38:30,320
bit. Um can we switch to let me share?

2243
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:32,239
>> Yeah. Are you plugged in?

2244
01:38:32,239 --> 01:38:36,070
>> Yes. Okay.

2245
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:38,960
So, I do want to give just a little bit

2246
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:40,960
further

2247
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:44,000
um explanation as to where we're at with

2248
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:49,119
the increase specifically. So,

2249
01:38:49,119 --> 01:38:54,159
okay. So, in fiscal year 25,

2250
01:38:54,159 --> 01:38:55,440
um they were still able to have a

2251
01:38:55,440 --> 01:38:56,960
balanced budget with revenues and

2252
01:38:56,960 --> 01:38:59,440
expenses. And you can see that here at

2253
01:38:59,440 --> 01:39:02,320
the 12,400,000

2254
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:03,840
um that was the budget was budgeted and

2255
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:05,920
then I had their actuals posted bullets.

2256
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:10,080
So um in fiscal year 26 however so this

2257
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:12,639
fiscal year that we're currently in

2258
01:39:12,639 --> 01:39:15,840
um the revenues did not meet the

2259
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:18,880
expenses. So that required to draw from

2260
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:20,400
fund balance for our general fund and

2261
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:22,719
>> that was because our growth did not our

2262
01:39:22,719 --> 01:39:25,520
projected growth did not happen as we

2263
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:28,800
expected. Yeah, there's a few theories

2264
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:30,719
um that I have. It's hard to say. I

2265
01:39:30,719 --> 01:39:34,320
wasn't here. Um but

2266
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:36,639
from what I can tell, the city probably

2267
01:39:36,639 --> 01:39:40,080
was in in a tough spot with needing to

2268
01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:41,440
start looking at pulling from fund

2269
01:39:41,440 --> 01:39:44,639
balance prior to fiscal year 26.

2270
01:39:44,639 --> 01:39:46,960
However, there were CO relief funds that

2271
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:50,400
came into play that then ran out. Um,

2272
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:52,719
and I think those COVID relief funds

2273
01:39:52,719 --> 01:39:55,679
helped carry Grantsville City through

2274
01:39:55,679 --> 01:39:57,520
like a couple extra years before they

2275
01:39:57,520 --> 01:39:59,760
had to start pulling from the fund

2276
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:03,119
balance. Um,

2277
01:40:03,119 --> 01:40:05,440
so for fiscal year 26, they pulled

2278
01:40:05,440 --> 01:40:08,719
approximately 2.7 million from fund

2279
01:40:08,719 --> 01:40:10,239
balance.

2280
01:40:10,239 --> 01:40:13,199
Now if we

2281
01:40:13,199 --> 01:40:15,760
come down to what's so this is what the

2282
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:18,880
is expected revenue for this upcoming

2283
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:24,000
fiscal year. So 13 257 that is without a

2284
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:26,239
property tax increase. So that would

2285
01:40:26,239 --> 01:40:30,239
stay the same which our expenses

2286
01:40:30,239 --> 01:40:33,040
with just the 3% inflation increase on

2287
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:35,840
the budget lines. No asks, just the 3%

2288
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:41,830
inflation increase puts us at 15,7,300,

2289
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:43,360
which

2290
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:47,119
is more um by approximately $1,749

2291
01:40:47,119 --> 01:40:49,040
and $1,

2292
01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:50,639
>> but less than last year.

2293
01:40:50,639 --> 01:40:54,400
>> Yes. So it is less than last year. um

2294
01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:59,119
with that part of that is because I

2295
01:40:59,119 --> 01:41:01,679
have it in here and again you can

2296
01:41:01,679 --> 01:41:03,760
address me otherwise if this is not

2297
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:05,760
accurate but it's my understanding that

2298
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:07,920
we will be receiving the water credit

2299
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:11,360
sale money at the end of this month and

2300
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:13,360
it will be in the water fund and it will

2301
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:16,480
be we'll go through the public process

2302
01:41:16,480 --> 01:41:19,280
of transferring that into our capital

2303
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:22,159
projects fund. Now, the capital project

2304
01:41:22,159 --> 01:41:24,960
fund only gets revenue from transfers

2305
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:27,040
in. So, last year, the general fund

2306
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:28,880
transferred

2307
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:31,840
2,26,600

2308
01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:35,440
into capital projects. Now, I took that

2309
01:41:35,440 --> 01:41:38,480
out for fiscal year 27 because now we're

2310
01:41:38,480 --> 01:41:40,400
going to have a substantial amount in

2311
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:43,199
there from the sale of the water credit.

2312
01:41:43,199 --> 01:41:45,360
So, there's no reason for the general

2313
01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:47,520
fund to be contributing to the property

2314
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:50,719
to the capital projects fund. So, I did

2315
01:41:50,719 --> 01:41:54,159
take out um that $2 million because we

2316
01:41:54,159 --> 01:41:56,719
don't

2317
01:41:56,719 --> 01:41:59,520
need that. Now, if that's incorrect and

2318
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:00,880
you guys had a different intention for

2319
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:03,119
the $18 million and I've misunderstood,

2320
01:42:03,119 --> 01:42:05,440
then we can I can receive further

2321
01:42:05,440 --> 01:42:07,600
direction on what the intention of that

2322
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:11,520
18 million is for. Um,

2323
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:14,880
so we did have that. I wonder if I could

2324
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:16,880
change it down here.

2325
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:18,400
Okay.

2326
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:22,480
So, um that is less which is good. Um

2327
01:42:22,480 --> 01:42:25,920
however, I recognize that the 1.7

2328
01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:28,480
million is concerning. So, right now in

2329
01:42:28,480 --> 01:42:30,320
fund balance, we have approximately 2.5

2330
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:32,480
million. So, there is still fund balance

2331
01:42:32,480 --> 01:42:35,679
in there. Um

2332
01:42:35,679 --> 01:42:39,440
however I I caution pulling from it too

2333
01:42:39,440 --> 01:42:43,119
heavily um for the reason that the

2334
01:42:43,119 --> 01:42:45,760
longer we fund without an increase the f

2335
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:47,840
the bigger the span is going to be that

2336
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:49,600
we have to bridge the gap with an

2337
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:53,040
increase. So right now this increase at

2338
01:42:53,040 --> 01:42:57,119
84% it is a lot and it is steep. Um last

2339
01:42:57,119 --> 01:42:59,119
year to make up that 2.7 it would have

2340
01:42:59,119 --> 01:43:02,880
been 130% increase. Um

2341
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:05,920
so it

2342
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:09,760
we can talk for further direction if you

2343
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:11,760
want to pull

2344
01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:14,159
um from the fund balance if you guys are

2345
01:43:14,159 --> 01:43:16,560
wanting to redirect me on the usage of

2346
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:20,400
the $18 million. Um but as it or if

2347
01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:23,040
we're wanting to you know cut budget

2348
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:26,000
lines um that's also obviously an

2349
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:28,400
option. We can put projects on hold. We

2350
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:31,440
can change different things but as it

2351
01:43:31,440 --> 01:43:33,040
stands right now as grants city is

2352
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:36,560
operating that's the gap that we need to

2353
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:40,639
fund somehow. So the 84% increase again

2354
01:43:40,639 --> 01:43:45,040
does come to about 27.92. So $27.92 a

2355
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:48,480
month for the average resident um with

2356
01:43:48,480 --> 01:43:50,560
an with the average home value of

2357
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:52,719
530,000.

2358
01:43:52,719 --> 01:43:54,560
So,

2359
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:57,520
um

2360
01:43:57,520 --> 01:44:03,679
beyond that, um on our other lines, um

2361
01:44:03,679 --> 01:44:06,239
our enterprise funds are looking good.

2362
01:44:06,239 --> 01:44:07,679
So, there's no need to there's no

2363
01:44:07,679 --> 01:44:12,560
changes there. um as far as rates or

2364
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:14,320
increases though you guys will obviously

2365
01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:15,840
I'll share this document with you so you

2366
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:18,159
can review it in detail but they didn't

2367
01:44:18,159 --> 01:44:22,560
have um like we had mentioned the water

2368
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:24,800
line capital projects were included in

2369
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:27,520
this budget for water but the water

2370
01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:29,040
fund's looking good the sewer fund and

2371
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:30,480
the garbage fund are both looking good

2372
01:44:30,480 --> 01:44:31,920
unless I receive different direction for

2373
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:34,080
the bulk pickup for garbage then we can

2374
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:37,920
address that but it's primarily the

2375
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:39,600
largest thing tonight is just the

2376
01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:44,080
general fund um being short. So getting

2377
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:47,199
direction on how we want to address that

2378
01:44:47,199 --> 01:44:52,480
would be ideal. And then to be sure the

2379
01:44:52,480 --> 01:44:54,639
amounts that are presented tonight at

2380
01:44:54,639 --> 01:44:57,760
the increase um

2381
01:44:57,760 --> 01:44:58,800
>> not committed

2382
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:00,239
>> we're not committed to that. You guys

2383
01:45:00,239 --> 01:45:02,880
could say no I don't want 84 but let's

2384
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:04,400
do

2385
01:45:04,400 --> 01:45:06,400
any other percent less than that and we

2386
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:08,080
can look at that. I would just need

2387
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:09,840
further direction on what other changes

2388
01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:11,360
you would want to accommodate for the

2389
01:45:11,360 --> 01:45:48,950
revenue deficiency.

2390
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:50,480
investment

2391
01:45:50,480 --> 01:45:53,119
possibly to kind of delay.

2392
01:45:53,119 --> 01:45:54,239
>> Yeah, let me pull that up.

2393
01:45:54,239 --> 01:45:56,800
>> The big impact of this.

2394
01:45:56,800 --> 01:46:00,000
>> So, with the increase in the water fund,

2395
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:01,760
with that large payment coming in, we do

2396
01:46:01,760 --> 01:46:05,280
have the option if instructed. So, um,

2397
01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:09,199
we could invest that. Um, right now we

2398
01:46:09,199 --> 01:46:11,040
talked, Michael and I had a call with a

2399
01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:14,639
bank last week and if we at the low end,

2400
01:46:14,639 --> 01:46:16,320
they said that if we were to invest the

2401
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:18,239
full 18 million, we would be getting

2402
01:46:18,239 --> 01:46:22,480
about 700,000 in interest income in over

2403
01:46:22,480 --> 01:46:26,800
a year. Um, so that would, you know, if

2404
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:28,239
that was an option that we wanted to go,

2405
01:46:28,239 --> 01:46:29,520
we would have that interest income

2406
01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:31,760
coming in from the invested $18 million.

2407
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:33,840
It gets invested in like a tiered

2408
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:35,920
system. So it wouldn't all be locked up

2409
01:46:35,920 --> 01:46:38,159
for like 5 years. It would be we could

2410
01:46:38,159 --> 01:46:40,159
select how much we would want to be

2411
01:46:40,159 --> 01:46:43,119
available to use in 1 month, 3 months, a

2412
01:46:43,119 --> 01:46:47,600
year, etc. Like it it's not all invested

2413
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:49,280
for the next 5 years without being able

2414
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:51,760
to use. We can explore options for the

2415
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:53,280
investment of that if that would be

2416
01:46:53,280 --> 01:46:55,520
something that you guys were wanting to

2417
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:58,719
pursue. Um, again,

2418
01:46:58,719 --> 01:47:00,239
just a tenative budget of where things

2419
01:47:00,239 --> 01:47:03,840
are at now. Um, it will change. The

2420
01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:05,520
budget will change. I don't expect it to

2421
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:08,800
stay as it is presented tonight. But we

2422
01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:09,760
do need to start having the

2423
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:12,639
conversations of what changes you guys

2424
01:47:12,639 --> 01:47:14,159
want to see and what direction you want

2425
01:47:14,159 --> 01:47:15,600
us to go in so that we can make it

2426
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:22,644
happen.

2427
01:47:22,654 --> 01:47:27,884
[clears throat]

2428
01:47:27,894 --> 01:47:28,560
» [clears throat]

2429
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:30,880
>> What departments have the biggest

2430
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:33,119
increases besides well obviously sewer

2431
01:47:33,119 --> 01:47:34,159
you know that's going to be a big

2432
01:47:34,159 --> 01:47:36,320
expense but what

2433
01:47:36,320 --> 01:47:39,520
for from this 2026 to 2027 what are

2434
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:42,000
those increases look like?

2435
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:45,760
>> Um honestly a lot of them like like I

2436
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:47,119
had said right now in the budget it's

2437
01:47:47,119 --> 01:47:49,040
just a 3% increase across the board. So,

2438
01:47:49,040 --> 01:47:51,840
it's just operation and the 3% I put in

2439
01:47:51,840 --> 01:47:54,480
there just based on inflation.

2440
01:47:54,480 --> 01:47:56,639
So, it would just be increasing their

2441
01:47:56,639 --> 01:47:59,840
operating expenses to keep up with

2442
01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:01,520
inflation, but it doesn't include any

2443
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:04,239
asks any the water fund doesn't include

2444
01:48:04,239 --> 01:48:05,760
those projects for the water lines on

2445
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:07,760
Apple and Hale. But otherwise, you know,

2446
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:09,600
the departments aren't getting new

2447
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:11,840
equipment, they're not getting new

2448
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:14,320
employees, they're not getting new asks.

2449
01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:17,679
It's just operation. So right now that's

2450
01:48:17,679 --> 01:48:20,639
how the budget stands. So obviously you

2451
01:48:20,639 --> 01:48:23,679
could cut operating budget if that's

2452
01:48:23,679 --> 01:48:24,800
something that you're wanting to pursue,

2453
01:48:24,800 --> 01:48:26,400
but I would there's some things that

2454
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:29,520
like we can't you know we have an

2455
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:30,880
insanely high rocking mountain power

2456
01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:33,280
bill and we can't do anything about

2457
01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:34,880
that. So that like there's some

2458
01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:37,360
operating expenses that we could look at

2459
01:48:37,360 --> 01:48:40,320
if you'd like to cut um and we can have

2460
01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:42,000
that discussion if you have specific

2461
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:44,159
ones in mind. Honestly, no department is

2462
01:48:44,159 --> 01:48:45,679
the most expensive right now because all

2463
01:48:45,679 --> 01:48:49,119
of them are only operating at a low

2464
01:48:49,119 --> 01:48:50,960
level and all of them have lots of asks

2465
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:54,719
that none we've said no to all of them

2466
01:48:54,719 --> 01:48:57,280
because strictly for being able to

2467
01:48:57,280 --> 01:49:00,719
afford it. We were we can't afford

2468
01:49:00,719 --> 01:49:04,639
if we don't change anything. So

2469
01:49:04,639 --> 01:49:05,760
yeah.

2470
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:07,280
>> So you're saying the increase only goes

2471
01:49:07,280 --> 01:49:09,360
to those certain things the 30,000 for

2472
01:49:09,360 --> 01:49:11,280
the study.

2473
01:49:11,280 --> 01:49:12,880
>> Yes. So

2474
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:14,080
parks [clears throat]

2475
01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:16,400
>> person and then just a 3%

2476
01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:17,760
>> overall just that

2477
01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:19,280
>> and nothing else really changes besides

2478
01:49:19,280 --> 01:49:21,440
3%. So, police departments not getting

2479
01:49:21,440 --> 01:49:22,480
any new officers.

2480
01:49:22,480 --> 01:49:23,760
>> Correct.

2481
01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:25,679
>> And you already said we're lower than

2482
01:49:25,679 --> 01:49:27,119
the average for public safety.

2483
01:49:27,119 --> 01:49:28,560
>> Correct.

2484
01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:30,880
>> Because that would be an extra almost if

2485
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:33,199
you he wanted four officers that would

2486
01:49:33,199 --> 01:49:35,920
be 400,000

2487
01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:37,920
have to add that to this and that would

2488
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:40,800
increase the amount of taxes that you

2489
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:43,360
would have to have here. We didn't think

2490
01:49:43,360 --> 01:49:46,560
that was because we don't even like this

2491
01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:48,159
number especially after increasing the

2492
01:49:48,159 --> 01:49:50,719
sewer rate right here. So we are where

2493
01:49:50,719 --> 01:49:52,960
we are with this thing. So we can go

2494
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:55,360
slash and start really going after the

2495
01:49:55,360 --> 01:49:56,800
departments. What kind of amenities do

2496
01:49:56,800 --> 01:49:59,440
we don't want to provide for anymore? I

2497
01:49:59,440 --> 01:50:01,119
mean like with the park we're building a

2498
01:50:01,119 --> 01:50:03,040
brand new park and we don't hire a new

2499
01:50:03,040 --> 01:50:05,760
person for that then it kind of defeats

2500
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:07,119
the purpose of building the park. We're

2501
01:50:07,119 --> 01:50:10,870
not going to maintain it.

2502
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:12,800
So we are lower than last year by a

2503
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:16,000
million. So we have reduced that gap

2504
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:18,159
significantly from the 16 million that

2505
01:50:18,159 --> 01:50:21,840
was last year's proposal to 15 million

2506
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:25,119
and we're still that 1.7 million

2507
01:50:25,119 --> 01:50:27,199
difference right now.

2508
01:50:27,199 --> 01:50:30,080
>> And so if we invest the money from the

2509
01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:33,600
sewer uh credits the 18 million that

2510
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:36,320
hopefully we get that 700,000 down. So

2511
01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:37,840
then it'll bring it down to about a

2512
01:50:37,840 --> 01:50:40,719
million. That doesn't uh eliminate us

2513
01:50:40,719 --> 01:50:43,360
this the council using that 18 million.

2514
01:50:43,360 --> 01:50:46,719
It just delays it like for a year then

2515
01:50:46,719 --> 01:50:48,400
maybe come up with plans on how we want

2516
01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:49,920
to spend that. But in that year we could

2517
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:52,080
use that interest to offset what we're

2518
01:50:52,080 --> 01:50:54,239
doing here and then decide how we want

2519
01:50:54,239 --> 01:50:56,159
to adjust the taxes in the future and

2520
01:50:56,159 --> 01:50:57,520
address these problems. So, we just

2521
01:50:57,520 --> 01:51:00,239
passed the the capital facilities plan

2522
01:51:00,239 --> 01:51:02,880
and there's a lot of expenses in that

2523
01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:05,040
plan that are currently not budgeted

2524
01:51:05,040 --> 01:51:07,600
unless we increase some other revenue

2525
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:09,119
coming into the city. We won't be able

2526
01:51:09,119 --> 01:51:11,440
to meet our capital facilities plan

2527
01:51:11,440 --> 01:51:13,600
future any upsizing or anything like

2528
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:16,960
that is not factored into

2529
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:20,239
even this year until we

2530
01:51:20,239 --> 01:51:22,239
fix our deficit and actually bring some

2531
01:51:22,239 --> 01:51:25,679
money in to help meet those upsizings.

2532
01:51:25,679 --> 01:51:26,880
we're not going to be able to even do

2533
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:28,639
the capital facilities plan that the

2534
01:51:28,639 --> 01:51:30,560
public and what we're wanting to do

2535
01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:32,960
here.

2536
01:51:32,960 --> 01:51:35,119
I think this is kind of an problem with

2537
01:51:35,119 --> 01:51:36,960
like the sewer treatment plan itself is

2538
01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:39,760
that you need a future plan for trans

2539
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:42,639
city budget going forward and start

2540
01:51:42,639 --> 01:51:45,360
getting the funds available to that. No

2541
01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:48,000
one loves rated taxes. They hate it. But

2542
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:50,400
the reality of it is unless we keep up

2543
01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:53,199
with the inflation or with the projects,

2544
01:51:53,199 --> 01:51:55,679
we're going to always be behind. We

2545
01:51:55,679 --> 01:51:57,760
haven't raised taxes in over 17 years

2546
01:51:57,760 --> 01:52:00,560
here, which is an extremely great amount

2547
01:52:00,560 --> 01:52:02,159
of time. It also hurts the city

2548
01:52:02,159 --> 01:52:03,679
significantly because it should have

2549
01:52:03,679 --> 01:52:06,080
been incremental increases. If we'

2550
01:52:06,080 --> 01:52:08,239
raised it 3% every year, we wouldn't

2551
01:52:08,239 --> 01:52:10,320
have to increase it this drastically

2552
01:52:10,320 --> 01:52:12,480
right now with that deficit. We can

2553
01:52:12,480 --> 01:52:15,679
start going again. It's really about if

2554
01:52:15,679 --> 01:52:18,159
we want to reduce it, which departments

2555
01:52:18,159 --> 01:52:22,159
do we undersize, which amenities do we

2556
01:52:22,159 --> 01:52:23,920
stop doing? We already have complaints

2557
01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:27,760
on our different parks, the cemetery. Do

2558
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:30,960
I pull persons from there with our

2559
01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:32,480
expanded growth in community

2560
01:52:32,480 --> 01:52:34,320
development? We did expand that

2561
01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:36,880
department, but it has addressed some of

2562
01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:38,320
the issues that we've been dealing with

2563
01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:41,280
in avoiding litigation on that. One of

2564
01:52:41,280 --> 01:52:43,360
our biggest expenses is our lawsuits.

2565
01:52:43,360 --> 01:52:48,080
That's $150,000 right there with the the

2566
01:52:48,080 --> 01:52:50,239
annexations that we're dealing with.

2567
01:52:50,239 --> 01:52:51,760
That could get rid that would help

2568
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:53,679
reduce the budget, but those are those

2569
01:52:53,679 --> 01:53:11,589
expenses that we have to pay.

2570
01:53:11,599 --> 01:53:13,679
So, you're going to email us this

2571
01:53:13,679 --> 01:53:17,199
proposal. It's the department breakdown

2572
01:53:17,199 --> 01:53:19,840
or itemization's going to be included.

2573
01:53:19,840 --> 01:53:21,119
>> Yeah, it'll be the Yeah,

2574
01:53:21,119 --> 01:53:22,800
>> it'll be the full

2575
01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:25,360
>> Yeah. So, I think let's see. So, it'll

2576
01:53:25,360 --> 01:53:26,960
be

2577
01:53:26,960 --> 01:53:31,270
it includes

2578
01:53:31,280 --> 01:53:34,000
it's 664 lines. So yeah, it includes a

2579
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:36,719
line item, every single budget line item

2580
01:53:36,719 --> 01:53:38,880
for every single department and the

2581
01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:42,159
budgeted amount for all of those lines.

2582
01:53:42,159 --> 01:53:44,159
>> Okay. And we would recommend that if the

2583
01:53:44,159 --> 01:53:47,360
council open to it to do a budget kind

2584
01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:49,440
of retreat to go if we want to line item

2585
01:53:49,440 --> 01:53:51,280
by line and address each one of those

2586
01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:53,440
kind of resetting expectations what they

2587
01:53:53,440 --> 01:53:56,239
want to do. It will require some time to

2588
01:53:56,239 --> 01:53:58,719
do that with the council because this is

2589
01:53:58,719 --> 01:54:00,639
your budget. This is what we want to do.

2590
01:54:00,639 --> 01:54:02,800
We want to make it the best we can as

2591
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:05,360
staff and be sensitive to our residents

2592
01:54:05,360 --> 01:54:07,199
and how we want to do that. So, if we

2593
01:54:07,199 --> 01:54:09,520
want to go and address each line by

2594
01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:11,520
line, I I think that might be beneficial

2595
01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:13,840
to help assess where we're at and meet

2596
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:15,840
those needs and where there needs to be

2597
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:17,679
cuts. We want would like that direction

2598
01:54:17,679 --> 01:54:20,560
from council on how that would work

2599
01:54:20,560 --> 01:54:22,719
because this there is new council here.

2600
01:54:22,719 --> 01:54:24,159
We have new staff and so it would be

2601
01:54:24,159 --> 01:54:26,000
helpful to find that direction. Council

2602
01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:29,760
really wants to go on this.

2603
01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:31,599
I I like that approach. I I think we

2604
01:54:31,599 --> 01:54:33,040
need to do that.

2605
01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:35,040
>> I think so, too. I just I mean, I know

2606
01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:36,239
you guys have gone through this, but

2607
01:54:36,239 --> 01:54:37,679
like and I'm all for like making sure

2608
01:54:37,679 --> 01:54:39,679
the park is maintained, but it's also at

2609
01:54:39,679 --> 01:54:41,599
the risk of public safety or at the risk

2610
01:54:41,599 --> 01:54:43,599
of other departments like So, I'm like I

2611
01:54:43,599 --> 01:54:44,960
think we all I'd like to go through and

2612
01:54:44,960 --> 01:54:46,560
see where this money is go. I'm not I

2613
01:54:46,560 --> 01:54:47,840
and I know nobody wants to raise

2614
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:49,360
property taxes, but I also don't want to

2615
01:54:49,360 --> 01:54:51,280
get it to the point where we've not done

2616
01:54:51,280 --> 01:54:52,960
it for so long then suddenly our funds

2617
01:54:52,960 --> 01:54:54,880
run out and now we have to increase it

2618
01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:56,560
exponentially, even more than that. So,

2619
01:54:56,560 --> 01:54:58,800
I I get that. But I also think we do

2620
01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:01,119
need to sit down and then say I mean

2621
01:55:01,119 --> 01:55:02,800
it's hard to tell every department no

2622
01:55:02,800 --> 01:55:05,920
and then just be like just you and you get this which I understand

2623
01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:07,760
we're gonna have to do that there's just

2624
01:55:07,760 --> 01:55:08,800
no getting around it. Like everybody

2625
01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:09,920
can't get what they want.

2626
01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:11,920
>> So I get that. But I think that we

2627
01:55:11,920 --> 01:55:14,400
collectively need to say okay maybe this

2628
01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:16,320
line can't go out or Yeah.

2629
01:55:16,320 --> 01:55:18,159
>> I just I'm not saying you guys didn't do

2630
01:55:18,159 --> 01:55:19,520
a great job. I know this is we

2631
01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:20,800
appreciate all the words your eyes.

2632
01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:21,520
>> Yeah. No. And

2633
01:55:21,520 --> 01:55:23,040
>> I'm not new obviously but I think

2634
01:55:23,040 --> 01:55:25,119
there's Yeah. I'd like to look and see

2635
01:55:25,119 --> 01:55:25,520
you.

2636
01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:27,040
>> Yeah. And that's extremely valuable to

2637
01:55:27,040 --> 01:55:28,560
get direction from you guys on what your

2638
01:55:28,560 --> 01:55:31,280
priorities are um and what you know

2639
01:55:31,280 --> 01:55:34,239
departments kind of may need an extra

2640
01:55:34,239 --> 01:55:35,840
some departments we may need to say yes

2641
01:55:35,840 --> 01:55:37,760
to while others we say no to. But

2642
01:55:37,760 --> 01:55:39,440
getting that direction from you guys is

2643
01:55:39,440 --> 01:55:42,159
valuable because I don't have the

2644
01:55:42,159 --> 01:55:43,520
authority to make those kinds of

2645
01:55:43,520 --> 01:55:45,040
decisions for you. So if we had an

2646
01:55:45,040 --> 01:55:47,040
opportunity to all get on the same page

2647
01:55:47,040 --> 01:55:49,280
and I can help make the budget what you

2648
01:55:49,280 --> 01:55:51,599
guys want it to be. So that'd be

2649
01:55:51,599 --> 01:55:53,440
valuable.

2650
01:55:53,440 --> 01:55:55,040
But I guess tonight we wanted to because

2651
01:55:55,040 --> 01:55:57,760
we have by the the the rules of the

2652
01:55:57,760 --> 01:56:00,880
state now we have to set a number out

2653
01:56:00,880 --> 01:56:02,639
there and we wanted to at least set that

2654
01:56:02,639 --> 01:56:04,960
there we don't have a deficit so we can

2655
01:56:04,960 --> 01:56:06,719
get out of that because we can come down

2656
01:56:06,719 --> 01:56:08,080
from that once we have our budget

2657
01:56:08,080 --> 01:56:10,560
meeting reduce that we just couldn't go

2658
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:13,360
higher than that. So we wanted to set it

2659
01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:14,960
at very least for the council to have

2660
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:16,639
that option so that you have all your

2661
01:56:16,639 --> 01:56:19,199
options [clears throat] before. So for

2662
01:56:19,199 --> 01:56:21,440
clarity sake um the resolution we have

2663
01:56:21,440 --> 01:56:23,840
before us tonight is really just to set

2664
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:28,560
that that upward upward end expectation

2665
01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:33,199
and then work towards a a small number

2666
01:56:33,199 --> 01:56:34,960
>> from there.

2667
01:56:34,960 --> 01:56:37,119
>> No more than this but

2668
01:56:37,119 --> 01:56:38,960
>> exactly

2669
01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:40,800
>> pull up our sleeves and get to work.

2670
01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:53,270
>> Yes. Not to exceed number.

2671
01:56:53,280 --> 01:56:54,560
» Yeah, I think we need to go through it

2672
01:56:54,560 --> 01:56:58,950
line by line.

2673
01:56:58,960 --> 01:57:01,679
Yeah, I I agree. That's my sentiment as

2674
01:57:01,679 --> 01:57:03,760
well. Just

2675
01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:06,960
>> we are on like a somewhat tight timeline

2676
01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:09,840
like we need it needs to be this month.

2677
01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:14,480
So, um because we have to be presenting

2678
01:57:14,480 --> 01:57:18,239
like final interim budgets in June, um

2679
01:57:18,239 --> 01:57:20,560
and establishing like public hearing

2680
01:57:20,560 --> 01:57:22,320
dates and things like that if a tax

2681
01:57:22,320 --> 01:57:25,199
increase is pursued at any percentage.

2682
01:57:25,199 --> 01:57:26,800
Um we will have to hold the public

2683
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:27,881
hearing and stuff in August

2684
01:57:27,881 --> 01:57:29,280
[clears throat] and do all of that. So,

2685
01:57:29,280 --> 01:57:31,360
we do kind of I'm all for getting

2686
01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:32,719
together, but we just need to make sure

2687
01:57:32,719 --> 01:57:33,920
that that's something that we're all

2688
01:57:33,920 --> 01:57:36,080
able to commit to doing this month just

2689
01:57:36,080 --> 01:57:39,440
for time sake.

2690
01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:40,400
Okay.

2691
01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:41,760
>> Do we need to set a date for a public

2692
01:57:41,760 --> 01:57:42,960
hearing today? I know that it said on

2693
01:57:42,960 --> 01:57:46,320
here that it says like set establishing

2694
01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:47,760
a time and a place of a public hearing.

2695
01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:49,280
Is that something to do today?

2696
01:57:49,280 --> 01:57:51,199
>> I do have a date that's been approved by

2697
01:57:51,199 --> 01:57:52,639
Tilla County as well as the state of

2698
01:57:52,639 --> 01:57:56,239
Utah. Um

2699
01:57:56,239 --> 01:57:59,360
just in anticipation of if it is uh we

2700
01:57:59,360 --> 01:58:00,800
need to take it on the calendar, but if

2701
01:58:00,800 --> 01:58:01,920
it's not pursued, then we don't need to

2702
01:58:01,920 --> 01:58:03,119
hold one. So, I don't know if there's a

2703
01:58:03,119 --> 01:58:04,639
point in disclosing

2704
01:58:04,639 --> 01:58:06,239
>> the public hearing for the tenative

2705
01:58:06,239 --> 01:58:07,199
budget.

2706
01:58:07,199 --> 01:58:09,119
>> Okay. a final budget, but we still have

2707
01:58:09,119 --> 01:58:10,880
to hold a public hearing prior to June

2708
01:58:10,880 --> 01:58:12,480
13th

2709
01:58:12,480 --> 01:58:15,840
to adopt the tenative budget, right?

2710
01:58:15,840 --> 01:58:17,440
>> The in the interim one.

2711
01:58:17,440 --> 01:58:18,560
>> The interim.

2712
01:58:18,560 --> 01:58:21,599
>> Yeah. So, if we if we pursue a property

2713
01:58:21,599 --> 01:58:24,560
tax increase on in on June 13th, we'll

2714
01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:26,159
adopt an interim budget that will

2715
01:58:26,159 --> 01:58:28,000
operate on until the property tax

2716
01:58:28,000 --> 01:58:29,440
increase would go through later in

2717
01:58:29,440 --> 01:58:31,360
August because we don't do the truth and

2718
01:58:31,360 --> 01:58:33,119
taxation public hearings for a tax

2719
01:58:33,119 --> 01:58:35,840
increase until August, which is after

2720
01:58:35,840 --> 01:58:37,920
our fiscal year begins. So, we would

2721
01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:39,920
have to adopt an interimm budget. If we

2722
01:58:39,920 --> 01:58:43,360
don't pursue an increase at all, we

2723
01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:45,199
would just then adopt a final budget in

2724
01:58:45,199 --> 01:58:47,440
June to operate on in fiscal year 26

2725
01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:49,520
because nothing would be changing with

2726
01:58:49,520 --> 01:58:52,639
property taxes. So,

2727
01:58:52,639 --> 01:58:55,599
it's a confusing process. [laughter]

2728
01:58:55,599 --> 01:58:57,360
So, if you have questions on that, let

2729
01:58:57,360 --> 01:59:10,709
me know.

2730
01:59:10,719 --> 01:59:13,280
Do we want to set a date now or do we

2731
01:59:13,280 --> 01:59:15,920
want to tackle this and then wait till

2732
01:59:15,920 --> 01:59:18,000
the end or what what what do we want to

2733
01:59:18,000 --> 01:59:20,719
do in regards to a work meeting going

2734
01:59:20,719 --> 01:59:23,199
through the the budget

2735
01:59:23,199 --> 01:59:28,392
and

2736
01:59:28,402 --> 01:59:29,119
[clears throat]

2737
01:59:29,119 --> 01:59:31,199
slashing and moving and appropriating

2738
01:59:31,199 --> 01:59:33,760
and adjusting.

2739
01:59:33,760 --> 01:59:40,470
line items.

2740
01:59:40,480 --> 01:59:42,639
» True. What's your suggestion?

2741
01:59:42,639 --> 01:59:44,960
>> If we could set it now, maybe another we

2742
01:59:44,960 --> 01:59:47,679
could do not like just maybe like next

2743
01:59:47,679 --> 01:59:49,840
week or a week after kind of in in

2744
01:59:49,840 --> 01:59:51,599
between our council meetings, set a

2745
01:59:51,599 --> 01:59:53,920
special meeting to go over the budget

2746
01:59:53,920 --> 01:59:55,440
type thing.

2747
01:59:55,440 --> 01:59:58,159
>> How much notice does that require?

2748
01:59:58,159 --> 01:59:58,960
>> 24 hours.

2749
01:59:58,960 --> 02:00:02,880
>> Just 24 hours. Okay. this almost like a

2750
02:00:02,880 --> 02:00:04,080
work session kind of thing.

2751
02:00:04,080 --> 02:00:05,040
>> Okay.

2752
02:00:05,040 --> 02:00:08,400
>> And we do have a council meeting on the

2753
02:00:08,400 --> 02:00:12,239
day of graduation. I noticed as well.

2754
02:00:12,239 --> 02:00:23,990
>> I'm gone the 19th for the 24th.

2755
02:00:24,000 --> 02:00:30,629
» So the 13th.

2756
02:00:30,639 --> 02:00:32,239
So that' be a week from today. I could

2757
02:00:32,239 --> 02:00:36,629
do it.

2758
02:00:36,639 --> 02:00:41,119
» My schedule is unknown on that day.

2759
02:00:41,119 --> 02:00:43,679
>> It's true.

2760
02:00:43,679 --> 02:00:46,080
>> Yeah. I don't know. I just don't have

2761
02:00:46,080 --> 02:00:48,560
any way of knowing

2762
02:00:48,560 --> 02:00:52,400
where my house will be.

2763
02:00:52,400 --> 02:00:53,760
>> When does that end?

2764
02:00:53,760 --> 02:00:55,280
>> It ends next Saturday.

2765
02:00:55,280 --> 02:00:58,639
>> Next Saturday. Mhm.

2766
02:00:58,639 --> 02:01:01,199
>> Friday again.

2767
02:01:01,199 --> 02:01:02,480
>> But on the 15th.

2768
02:01:02,480 --> 02:01:04,480
>> Oh, that that'll interfere with

2769
02:01:04,480 --> 02:01:05,920
>> Oh, that you'll still won't know how

2770
02:01:05,920 --> 02:01:07,520
long the 13th till he'll do what?

2771
02:01:07,520 --> 02:01:09,440
>> 16th

2772
02:01:09,440 --> 02:01:09,920
state.

2773
02:01:09,920 --> 02:01:12,960
>> Yeah, the 11th. I could actually do that

2774
02:01:12,960 --> 02:01:15,679
well to make that evening work. I know

2775
02:01:15,679 --> 02:01:21,589
the game time for that day.

2776
02:01:21,599 --> 02:01:23,360
» I could do that.

2777
02:01:23,360 --> 02:01:26,239
>> I could do the 11th as well.

2778
02:01:26,239 --> 02:01:26,639
Jeff,

2779
02:01:26,639 --> 02:01:28,560
>> make it work. I can do these.

2780
02:01:28,560 --> 02:01:31,599
>> Do six.

2781
02:01:31,599 --> 02:01:33,280
>> Six. I see that, sir.

2782
02:01:33,280 --> 02:01:34,960
>> 6 o'

2783
02:01:34,960 --> 02:01:37,830
Grandma. [laughter]

2784
02:01:37,840 --> 02:01:39,199
» Yeah, let's do it six o'clock.

2785
02:01:39,199 --> 02:01:40,719
>> Six.

2786
02:01:40,719 --> 02:01:43,920
>> So, Monday, May 11th at 6 o'clock.

2787
02:01:43,920 --> 02:01:45,520
>> Okay, sounds good.

2788
02:01:45,520 --> 02:01:47,599
>> With one request, Michael can't call it

2789
02:01:47,599 --> 02:01:49,520
a retreat ever again. [laughter]

2790
02:01:49,520 --> 02:01:51,360
>> You didn't have a good time.

2791
02:01:51,360 --> 02:01:54,239
>> His retreats suck. enough for the

2792
02:01:54,239 --> 02:01:54,880
record.

2793
02:01:54,880 --> 02:01:56,960
>> Are we playing Jeopardy? [laughter] We

2794
02:01:56,960 --> 02:01:59,679
love

2795
02:01:59,679 --> 02:02:01,040
>> even though I lost.

2796
02:02:01,040 --> 02:02:05,119
>> I'm not as fun as Alicia. I'm sorry.

2797
02:02:05,119 --> 02:02:06,960
>> The 20th. Do we want to discuss the

2798
02:02:06,960 --> 02:02:07,920
20th?

2799
02:02:07,920 --> 02:02:09,760
>> Yes. I talked to Mindy.

2800
02:02:09,760 --> 02:02:10,159
>> Okay.

2801
02:02:10,159 --> 02:02:12,639
>> I knew she was in charge really. So,

2802
02:02:12,639 --> 02:02:14,239
>> about moving that. Is there graduation

2803
02:02:14,239 --> 02:02:15,040
on that?

2804
02:02:15,040 --> 02:02:16,639
>> Yeah, that's high school graduation

2805
02:02:16,639 --> 02:02:20,159
date. I

2806
02:02:20,159 --> 02:02:22,400
there's a possibility I would have an

2807
02:02:22,400 --> 02:02:25,199
issue with the meeting that evening. So

2808
02:02:25,199 --> 02:02:26,960
>> yeah, Jake and I both have a graduate

2809
02:02:26,960 --> 02:02:28,159
that day. Um

2810
02:02:28,159 --> 02:02:30,719
>> I'll be gone

2811
02:02:30,719 --> 02:02:34,639
>> so we're going to be quum short anyways.

2812
02:02:34,639 --> 02:02:36,400
>> Would it be best just to push that

2813
02:02:36,400 --> 02:02:38,159
meeting to the 27th?

2814
02:02:38,159 --> 02:02:39,760
>> I will be out on the 27th, but if

2815
02:02:39,760 --> 02:02:41,119
everybody else is available, then

2816
02:02:41,119 --> 02:02:43,520
>> I will also be gone on the 27th. This is

2817
02:02:43,520 --> 02:02:45,520
hard.

2818
02:02:45,520 --> 02:02:46,800
character you're going on the 19th,

2819
02:02:46,800 --> 02:02:48,400
right? Through the 23rd.

2820
02:02:48,400 --> 02:02:48,800
>> Yeah.

2821
02:02:48,800 --> 02:02:51,119
>> What about the 18th

2822
02:02:51,119 --> 02:02:52,960
>> or the 25th?

2823
02:02:52,960 --> 02:02:54,880
>> The 25th is Memorial Day, though.

2824
02:02:54,880 --> 02:02:55,840
>> Oh, that's right.

2825
02:02:55,840 --> 02:02:58,400
>> Not that I have any but [laughter]

2826
02:02:58,400 --> 02:03:01,199
>> 18th works. I'm out of here by 10:30. I

2827
02:03:01,199 --> 02:03:04,159
got a red eye midnight. So, [laughter]

2828
02:03:04,159 --> 02:03:05,280
>> that's just what you want to do. Go

2829
02:03:05,280 --> 02:03:07,040
right to there. I could do the 18th.

2830
02:03:07,040 --> 02:03:11,910
>> I could also do the 18th.

2831
02:03:11,920 --> 02:03:12,480
» Sorry.

2832
02:03:12,480 --> 02:03:16,080
>> And that's for them. a regular meeting

2833
02:03:16,080 --> 02:03:18,239
>> replace the 20th

2834
02:03:18,239 --> 02:03:20,080
>> graduation

2835
02:03:20,080 --> 02:03:22,880
out of order but it's okay [laughter]

2836
02:03:22,880 --> 02:03:24,080
>> we're getting stuff done

2837
02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:24,560
>> well

2838
02:03:24,560 --> 02:03:25,840
>> 7 o'clock

2839
02:03:25,840 --> 02:03:27,040
>> yes

2840
02:03:27,040 --> 02:03:28,880
>> if it goes long I'll just have to sneak

2841
02:03:28,880 --> 02:03:32,870
out

2842
02:03:32,880 --> 02:03:37,830
» right

2843
02:03:37,840 --> 02:03:39,199
anything else

2844
02:03:39,199 --> 02:03:41,199
>> no I think that's it

2845
02:03:41,199 --> 02:03:42,320
>> that wasn't enough

2846
02:03:42,320 --> 02:03:45,599
>> yeah I think I'm Uh, thank you. Um,

2847
02:03:45,599 --> 02:03:52,149
yeah. Finished.

2848
02:03:52,159 --> 02:03:53,040
» Thanks.

2849
02:03:53,040 --> 02:03:53,360
>> Yeah.

2850
02:03:53,360 --> 02:03:55,520
>> Did we say 6:00 on the 11th?

2851
02:03:55,520 --> 02:03:55,920
>> Yeah.

2852
02:03:55,920 --> 02:03:58,400
>> Yes.

2853
02:03:58,400 --> 02:04:00,080
>> Then whatever they have to do with this

2854
02:04:00,080 --> 02:04:02,800
resolution.

2855
02:04:02,800 --> 02:04:04,080
>> Yeah. So this is going to be a little

2856
02:04:04,080 --> 02:04:05,360
confusing [sighs]

2857
02:04:05,360 --> 02:04:07,199
because

2858
02:04:07,199 --> 02:04:10,320
so this resolution

2859
02:04:10,320 --> 02:04:15,199
um the state has

2860
02:04:15,199 --> 02:04:18,239
we have to state certain things um

2861
02:04:18,239 --> 02:04:19,840
everything that was listed on the agenda

2862
02:04:19,840 --> 02:04:22,880
and everything that has been stated. Um,

2863
02:04:22,880 --> 02:04:26,239
so we thought it would be good to just

2864
02:04:26,239 --> 02:04:28,560
put it in a resolution stating that she

2865
02:04:28,560 --> 02:04:31,679
did that and you guys acknowledge that,

2866
02:04:31,679 --> 02:04:35,599
which is what this is. Um,

2867
02:04:35,599 --> 02:04:38,320
and then we can take off

2868
02:04:38,320 --> 02:04:41,920
the public hearing schedule to adopt the

2869
02:04:41,920 --> 02:04:53,109
tenative budget.

2870
02:04:53,119 --> 02:04:56,719
So this is just a basically a

2871
02:04:56,719 --> 02:04:58,719
confirmation that Aspen stated all of

2872
02:04:58,719 --> 02:05:00,800
those things on the agenda and that we

2873
02:05:00,800 --> 02:05:03,679
presented the property tax impact

2874
02:05:03,679 --> 02:05:07,440
schedule during the this meeting.

2875
02:05:07,440 --> 02:05:10,239
Um that's all that for this resolution

2876
02:05:10,239 --> 02:05:12,320
is the next resolution. You don't have

2877
02:05:12,320 --> 02:05:15,119
to pass it right now. Number 13, you

2878
02:05:15,119 --> 02:05:17,599
don't have to pass it right now. um just

2879
02:05:17,599 --> 02:05:18,880
because we don't know if we're going to

2880
02:05:18,880 --> 02:05:21,840
go through a truth and taxation or not.

2881
02:05:21,840 --> 02:05:41,747
So, we can wait on that one.

2882
02:05:41,757 --> 02:05:43,199
» [laughter]

2883
02:05:43,199 --> 02:05:45,599
>> I did put several motions up there for

2884
02:05:45,599 --> 02:05:47,040
you guys

2885
02:05:47,040 --> 02:05:48,719
>> on this motion. Do we have to say all

2886
02:05:48,719 --> 02:05:51,040
the whole thing ABC? Like does all have

2887
02:05:51,040 --> 02:05:51,440
to be

2888
02:05:51,440 --> 02:05:54,000
>> No, it's No, there there was a separate

2889
02:05:54,000 --> 02:05:55,599
paper

2890
02:05:55,599 --> 02:05:59,520
>> packet separate motions. I make a motion

2891
02:05:59,520 --> 02:06:02,960
to approve resolution 2026-36

2892
02:06:02,960 --> 02:06:04,639
documenting compliance with the truth

2893
02:06:04,639 --> 02:06:06,560
and taxation statement requirements

2894
02:06:06,560 --> 02:06:10,400
under 59-2-919

2895
02:06:10,400 --> 02:06:12,080
in anticipation of the council's

2896
02:06:12,080 --> 02:06:15,119
adoption of the tenative fiscal year

2897
02:06:15,119 --> 02:06:19,360
2027 budget and establishing establishing a time and

2898
02:06:19,360 --> 02:06:21,280
place of a public hearing to consider

2899
02:06:21,280 --> 02:06:25,280
its adoption as June 3rd 2026 at 7 p.m.

2900
02:06:25,280 --> 02:06:27,679
at Gransville City Hall located at 429

2901
02:06:27,679 --> 02:06:29,760
East Main Street, Grantsville, Utah

2902
02:06:29,760 --> 02:06:32,800
84029, as well as electronically on via

2903
02:06:32,800 --> 02:06:34,560
Zoom.

2904
02:06:34,560 --> 02:06:35,280
>> I'll second.

2905
02:06:35,280 --> 02:06:36,719
>> All right, we have a motion by Council

2906
02:06:36,719 --> 02:06:38,719
Member Dalton and a second by Council

2907
02:06:38,719 --> 02:06:40,159
Member Butler. All in favor?

2908
02:06:40,159 --> 02:06:42,239
>> I I

2909
02:06:42,239 --> 02:06:46,310
right.

2910
02:06:46,320 --> 02:06:47,360
And

2911
02:06:47,360 --> 02:06:50,560
>> so we can table 13 based on

2912
02:06:50,560 --> 02:06:54,639
>> May I make a motion we move uh we table

2913
02:06:54,639 --> 02:06:58,629
resolution 202637

2914
02:06:58,639 --> 02:07:00,320
declaring the intent of Gransville city

2915
02:07:00,320 --> 02:07:04,560
to consider an increase in property tax revenue

2916
02:07:04,560 --> 02:07:06,880
above the certified tax rate for fiscal

2917
02:07:06,880 --> 02:07:10,719
year 2027 pursuant to the requirements

2918
02:07:10,719 --> 02:07:13,920
of Utah House Bill 236.

2919
02:07:13,920 --> 02:07:15,920
publishing a property tax impact

2920
02:07:15,920 --> 02:07:19,040
disclosure and establishing a time and

2921
02:07:19,040 --> 02:07:22,239
place of truth of taxation public

2922
02:07:22,239 --> 02:07:25,360
hearing based on

2923
02:07:25,360 --> 02:07:26,239
>> stop right there.

2924
02:07:26,239 --> 02:07:28,000
>> Yeah, because we haven't established it

2925
02:07:28,000 --> 02:07:30,480
yet until we

2926
02:07:30,480 --> 02:07:33,440
>> until we adopt that inter.

2927
02:07:33,440 --> 02:07:35,599
>> Right. I was going to add I was going to

2928
02:07:35,599 --> 02:07:40,239
add based on

2929
02:07:40,239 --> 02:07:44,000
results following next week's next

2930
02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:46,400
Monday's meeting

2931
02:07:46,400 --> 02:07:47,599
to review the budget.

2932
02:07:47,599 --> 02:07:51,440
>> Perfect. Council, is that accurate?

2933
02:07:51,440 --> 02:07:52,960
>> We have a motion. Is there a second?

2934
02:07:52,960 --> 02:07:54,239
>> I'll second the motion.

2935
02:07:54,239 --> 02:07:56,000
>> A motion by council member Thomas and a

2936
02:07:56,000 --> 02:07:57,760
second by council member Skinner. All in

2937
02:07:57,760 --> 02:07:58,400
favor?

2938
02:07:58,400 --> 02:08:00,960
>> I

2939
02:08:00,960 --> 02:08:04,000
>> Thank you.

2940
02:08:04,000 --> 02:08:07,360
Keep us in check.

2941
02:08:07,360 --> 02:08:11,119
>> That one was a little weird. So,

2942
02:08:11,119 --> 02:08:13,840
>> all right. Item number 14, a

2943
02:08:13,840 --> 02:08:16,320
presentation of USA RV and parking

2944
02:08:16,320 --> 02:08:18,639
storage site plan approved by the

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02:08:18,639 --> 02:08:23,520
planning commission on April 20th, 2026.

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This is a presentation only. No motion.

2947
02:08:27,440 --> 02:08:29,040
>> Are you doing it?

2948
02:08:29,040 --> 02:08:33,189
>> Yes. Sorry. [laughter]

2949
02:08:33,199 --> 02:08:34,880
» Um, we go down.

2950
02:08:34,880 --> 02:08:35,280
>> Yeah.

2951
02:08:35,280 --> 02:08:39,350
>> To the site plan,

2952
02:08:39,360 --> 02:08:43,199
» right? Yeah, that'll work. Um so

2953
02:08:43,199 --> 02:08:45,814
last year this came in front of

2954
02:08:45,814 --> 02:08:47,280
[clears throat] planning commission and

2955
02:08:47,280 --> 02:08:50,719
the city council. Um initially it was a

2956
02:08:50,719 --> 02:08:52,320
complaint and they were out of

2957
02:08:52,320 --> 02:08:53,679
compliance with their conditional use

2958
02:08:53,679 --> 02:08:56,320
permit. It then went through planning

2959
02:08:56,320 --> 02:08:58,400
commission and an appeal was made by the

2960
02:08:58,400 --> 02:09:00,560
applicant which then brought it to city

2961
02:09:00,560 --> 02:09:03,280
council's hands. Um there were

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02:09:03,280 --> 02:09:05,599
discussions that the northern gate

2963
02:09:05,599 --> 02:09:07,040
that's not showing on the site plan,

2964
02:09:07,040 --> 02:09:09,679
which is near SR 138 and Old Lincoln

2965
02:09:09,679 --> 02:09:12,960
Highway, um was not favored by council

2966
02:09:12,960 --> 02:09:16,719
and it was requested that a second gate

2967
02:09:16,719 --> 02:09:19,040
was added. So in the center where that

2968
02:09:19,040 --> 02:09:21,119
dark area is where there was already an

2969
02:09:21,119 --> 02:09:24,800
established gate, they are um they've

2970
02:09:24,800 --> 02:09:26,880
cleared that out. They're graveling it

2971
02:09:26,880 --> 02:09:28,719
and that's where the second access will

2972
02:09:28,719 --> 02:09:31,520
be. um which a second access was

2973
02:09:31,520 --> 02:09:33,280
requested and it was requested to have

2974
02:09:33,280 --> 02:09:35,920
the site plan come back in front of um

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02:09:35,920 --> 02:09:40,000
council for an update. So after we um

2976
02:09:40,000 --> 02:09:42,000
went through the review, a vigorous

2977
02:09:42,000 --> 02:09:45,440
review on this um it's now ready to be

2978
02:09:45,440 --> 02:09:50,709
presented. So

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02:09:50,719 --> 02:09:52,639
» So they're not expanding onto that extra

2980
02:09:52,639 --> 02:09:54,159
area where they wanted to. They're just

2981
02:09:54,159 --> 02:09:55,840
this is just the second entrance or are

2982
02:09:55,840 --> 02:09:56,560
they expanding?

2983
02:09:56,560 --> 02:09:58,400
>> They are. So where you see the grading

2984
02:09:58,400 --> 02:10:03,520
lines um on the south eastish that's

2985
02:10:03,520 --> 02:10:05,280
where they're expanding.

2986
02:10:05,280 --> 02:10:08,880
>> So there is an access now onto one

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02:10:08,880 --> 02:10:10,639
directly onto 138

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>> only.

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02:10:12,079 --> 02:10:12,800
>> Okay.

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02:10:12,800 --> 02:10:15,119
>> So here is the second access and then

2991
02:10:15,119 --> 02:10:16,880
this is the expansion. Okay they've

2992
02:10:16,880 --> 02:10:18,320
asked for. So, we're going to match the

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02:10:18,320 --> 02:10:21,599
fencing, the blue chain link fencing

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02:10:21,599 --> 02:10:23,520
around next to it. And then there will

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02:10:23,520 --> 02:10:27,599
be a little access here.

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02:10:27,599 --> 02:10:32,000
>> I'm not sure if you can hear me. Can can you guys hear me?

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02:10:32,000 --> 02:10:33,199
>> Yes.

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02:10:33,199 --> 02:10:36,400
>> Hi, everyone. This is Andre. Uh, you've

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been working with Trent for a while, but

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02:10:38,239 --> 02:10:40,480
actually he's now in the hospital with

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02:10:40,480 --> 02:10:42,159
his wife. They're just having a baby

3002
02:10:42,159 --> 02:10:45,440
today in the next couple of hours. So he

3003
02:10:45,440 --> 02:10:47,840
has asked me if I [laughter] if I can

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02:10:47,840 --> 02:10:49,440
come and like cover for him. So

3005
02:10:49,440 --> 02:10:51,119
obviously

3006
02:10:51,119 --> 02:10:54,800
I said yes. Uh I uh I I own the business

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02:10:54,800 --> 02:10:56,800
with with Trent but Trent runs the

3008
02:10:56,800 --> 02:11:00,079
business. He lives there. Um anyway, but

3009
02:11:00,079 --> 02:11:02,159
we've been working very digit like very

3010
02:11:02,159 --> 02:11:04,800
diligently with uh with the with the CTO

3011
02:11:04,800 --> 02:11:06,320
on this and yeah there is a gate there

3012
02:11:06,320 --> 02:11:08,560
right now. So there are two gates on the

3013
02:11:08,560 --> 02:11:17,270
property as of right now.

3014
02:11:17,280 --> 02:11:20,719
We we we have a like it's a manual gate

3015
02:11:20,719 --> 02:11:24,400
right now. Um like a 20 foot manual

3016
02:11:24,400 --> 02:11:28,560
gate. We are getting installed an

3017
02:11:28,560 --> 02:11:31,520
automated gate once we have the final

3018
02:11:31,520 --> 02:11:39,589
approval and we can expand on this project. [clears throat]

3019
02:11:39,599 --> 02:11:42,880
My camera is so ugly. Or I am ugly. I

3020
02:11:42,880 --> 02:11:43,760
guess

3021
02:11:43,760 --> 02:11:46,550
>> we [laughter]

3022
02:11:46,560 --> 02:11:48,639
like so zoomed into my face. I'm like,

3023
02:11:48,639 --> 02:11:52,639
get get away from me, [laughter]

3024
02:11:52,639 --> 02:11:56,639
>> Shelby. Um, so they they were out of

3025
02:11:56,639 --> 02:11:58,159
compliance. That's why they came to us.

3026
02:11:58,159 --> 02:12:00,079
Have since then, have they stayed in

3027
02:12:00,079 --> 02:12:02,079
compliance? And have we had any other

3028
02:12:02,079 --> 02:12:03,360
issues come up with them?

3029
02:12:03,360 --> 02:12:05,599
>> They have stayed in compliance. Um, we

3030
02:12:05,599 --> 02:12:09,040
received a more of a comment or concern

3031
02:12:09,040 --> 02:12:12,000
that they were having a I don't want to

3032
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:13,840
say a garage sale, but kind of a a

3033
02:12:13,840 --> 02:12:16,880
garage sale. Um, but that is allowed um

3034
02:12:16,880 --> 02:12:19,440
up to two times a year. And so we did

3035
02:12:19,440 --> 02:12:21,360
work with them on a site plan for that.

3036
02:12:21,360 --> 02:12:24,629
So,

3037
02:12:24,639 --> 02:12:26,800
» and did those containers ever get moved

3038
02:12:26,800 --> 02:12:29,119
that were on that? What did we do with

3039
02:12:29,119 --> 02:12:30,159
that? the

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02:12:30,159 --> 02:12:32,400
>> on this on the extension where they're

3041
02:12:32,400 --> 02:12:34,719
trying to do the site plant.

3042
02:12:34,719 --> 02:12:36,560
>> Containers are allowed on on the

3043
02:12:36,560 --> 02:12:38,079
property. So

3044
02:12:38,079 --> 02:12:39,679
>> remember what we decided on that part.

3045
02:12:39,679 --> 02:12:41,040
>> So I mean they have

3046
02:12:41,040 --> 02:12:43,199
>> they have moved them and they're grading

3047
02:12:43,199 --> 02:12:45,440
them. They brought rock in um and

3048
02:12:45,440 --> 02:12:49,440
material to um line the ditch um as well

3049
02:12:49,440 --> 02:12:52,480
as bring in pipe there. So

3050
02:12:52,480 --> 02:12:54,320
>> yeah, we're all just waiting on approval

3051
02:12:54,320 --> 02:12:57,840
and we'll get to work.

3052
02:12:57,840 --> 02:13:06,239
Was there a some type of line going

3053
02:13:06,239 --> 02:13:08,239
through this property that we asked for

3054
02:13:08,239 --> 02:13:09,280
an easement for?

3055
02:13:09,280 --> 02:13:11,599
>> Yes. And so we have obtained that ement.

3056
02:13:11,599 --> 02:13:13,599
Actually,

3057
02:13:13,599 --> 02:13:15,119
it's kind of hard to see on this, but

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02:13:15,119 --> 02:13:17,920
right here, um, this is where the water

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02:13:17,920 --> 02:13:19,920
line is. There was already a reported

3060
02:13:19,920 --> 02:13:22,239
easement on it. Um, and then they're

3061
02:13:22,239 --> 02:13:25,280
just moving the fence 15 ft above the

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02:13:25,280 --> 02:13:26,159
water line.

3063
02:13:26,159 --> 02:13:28,560
>> Okay. I know that got brought up last

3064
02:13:28,560 --> 02:13:48,229
time. So

3065
02:13:48,239 --> 02:13:49,679
» mentioned the fence. What's the

3066
02:13:49,679 --> 02:13:51,920
dimensions on the fence? The height?

3067
02:13:51,920 --> 02:13:53,599
>> Six. Six feet.

3068
02:13:53,599 --> 02:13:54,480
>> Six feet.

3069
02:13:54,480 --> 02:13:57,520
>> It's a six. Uh, so currently it's a 6

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02:13:57,520 --> 02:14:01,840
foot uh with uh with blue slats and the

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02:14:01,840 --> 02:14:04,560
expansion will match it. Black chain

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02:14:04,560 --> 02:14:08,159
link 6 foot with blue slats. Very

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02:14:08,159 --> 02:14:09,520
beautiful. Probably the most beautiful

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02:14:09,520 --> 02:14:11,679
fence on that part of town where we have

3075
02:14:11,679 --> 02:14:14,719
only three neighbors anyway.

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02:14:14,719 --> 02:14:17,920
>> Cedar post. So [laughter]

3077
02:14:17,920 --> 02:14:19,760
they're all

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02:14:19,760 --> 02:14:21,679
>> No, it's a six foot black chain link

3079
02:14:21,679 --> 02:14:24,000
fence with with blue slat. Super cool.

3080
02:14:24,000 --> 02:14:35,589
Super nice looking.

3081
02:14:35,599 --> 02:14:46,310
Any

3082
02:14:46,320 --> 02:14:48,400
other questions or concerns on this

3083
02:14:48,400 --> 02:14:49,920
item?

3084
02:14:49,920 --> 02:14:51,840
>> Oh, I know originally, you know,

3085
02:14:51,840 --> 02:14:53,440
concerns of neighboring residents,

3086
02:14:53,440 --> 02:14:55,199
obviously, ensuring everything's inside

3087
02:14:55,199 --> 02:14:57,599
the fence. It's clean, it's neat, it's

3088
02:14:57,599 --> 02:14:59,840
nice. Um,

3089
02:14:59,840 --> 02:15:03,280
and following those

3090
02:15:03,280 --> 02:15:06,000
recommendations is what I would expect.

3091
02:15:06,000 --> 02:15:08,159
So,

3092
02:15:08,159 --> 02:15:10,320
um, as long as we're addressing all of

3093
02:15:10,320 --> 02:15:16,229
those in that format,

3094
02:15:16,239 --> 02:15:20,709
are there any other concerns

3095
02:15:20,719 --> 02:15:22,960
that we're not aware of that have been

3096
02:15:22,960 --> 02:15:24,800
brought to staff that maybe we need to

3097
02:15:24,800 --> 02:15:26,719
be up to speed on?

3098
02:15:26,719 --> 02:15:28,880
>> Nope. area made sure you beat them up on

3099
02:15:28,880 --> 02:15:31,440
the um

3100
02:15:31,440 --> 02:15:33,280
uh drainage swell that runs through

3101
02:15:33,280 --> 02:15:36,320
their property. And so yeah,

3102
02:15:36,320 --> 02:15:38,400
>> we addressed the entry being able to

3103
02:15:38,400 --> 02:15:40,719
access off the roads.

3104
02:15:40,719 --> 02:15:41,280
>> Correct.

3105
02:15:41,280 --> 02:15:44,320
>> Not not having some vehicle in the

3106
02:15:44,320 --> 02:15:46,079
middle of the road trying to get out,

3107
02:15:46,079 --> 02:15:50,390
etc.

3108
02:15:50,400 --> 02:15:55,510
» I don't have any other concerns.

3109
02:15:55,520 --> 02:15:57,119
All right.

3110
02:15:57,119 --> 02:15:57,920
I'm good. I'm

3111
02:15:57,920 --> 02:16:00,800
>> good. Good.

3112
02:16:00,800 --> 02:16:04,400
>> So, mayor, I make a motion we approve

3113
02:16:04,400 --> 02:16:06,000
>> just

3114
02:16:06,000 --> 02:16:07,679
presentation. Yeah. Sorry.

3115
02:16:07,679 --> 02:16:09,119
>> The planning commission's approved.

3116
02:16:09,119 --> 02:16:10,320
>> Approved it. Yeah.

3117
02:16:10,320 --> 02:16:11,760
>> They just wanted to let us know what

3118
02:16:11,760 --> 02:16:12,719
they were doing.

3119
02:16:12,719 --> 02:16:13,520
>> Okay.

3120
02:16:13,520 --> 02:16:14,800
>> Perfect.

3121
02:16:14,800 --> 02:16:17,920
>> Okay. Well, we'll close item number 14.

3122
02:16:17,920 --> 02:16:20,079
>> Thank you.

3123
02:16:20,079 --> 02:16:22,159
Item number 15, consideration of

3124
02:16:22,159 --> 02:16:25,199
resolution 2026-33

3125
02:16:25,199 --> 02:16:27,040
approving the selection and appointment

3126
02:16:27,040 --> 02:16:28,880
of a wastewater treatment plant

3127
02:16:28,880 --> 02:16:31,199
inspector. This will be presented by

3128
02:16:31,199 --> 02:16:32,719
Christie.

3129
02:16:32,719 --> 02:16:35,359
>> Yeah. And I told Aspen she can come

3130
02:16:35,359 --> 02:16:40,399
help, but we had four um [laughter]

3131
02:16:40,399 --> 02:16:44,399
we had four companies submit the RFP.

3132
02:16:44,399 --> 02:16:46,960
None of them did it correctly.

3133
02:16:46,960 --> 02:16:48,719
>> Oh. [laughter]

3134
02:16:48,719 --> 02:16:50,080
So

3135
02:16:50,080 --> 02:16:54,800
>> yeah, so unfortunately um

3136
02:16:54,800 --> 02:17:00,160
Agnita item number 15 um they um when we

3137
02:17:00,160 --> 02:17:01,599
had put out the bid, none of them

3138
02:17:01,599 --> 02:17:05,040
responded correctly with their costs.

3139
02:17:05,040 --> 02:17:06,559
Like you're supposed to include them

3140
02:17:06,559 --> 02:17:08,479
separately. It was explicitly stated.

3141
02:17:08,479 --> 02:17:10,559
Some did, some didn't. But then the

3142
02:17:10,559 --> 02:17:13,920
people that did still didn't actually

3143
02:17:13,920 --> 02:17:16,160
state on there that it was their best

3144
02:17:16,160 --> 02:17:17,840
like

3145
02:17:17,840 --> 02:17:20,319
they would not exceed cost which was

3146
02:17:20,319 --> 02:17:21,920
also explicitly stated that they needed

3147
02:17:21,920 --> 02:17:26,319
to include. So because of that we were

3148
02:17:26,319 --> 02:17:29,840
we had to just consider them all anyway

3149
02:17:29,840 --> 02:17:31,679
because none of them submitted properly.

3150
02:17:31,679 --> 02:17:33,840
So then it would throw out all of them.

3151
02:17:33,840 --> 02:17:35,439
>> So because none of them did it correctly

3152
02:17:35,439 --> 02:17:40,000
we considered all of them still. Um, and

3153
02:17:40,000 --> 02:17:41,599
so if you scroll down just a little,

3154
02:17:41,599 --> 02:17:43,519
Alicia, I'm sorry, just where it gets

3155
02:17:43,519 --> 02:17:45,920
these total points. So the top points

3156
02:17:45,920 --> 02:17:47,200
are the technical points that the

3157
02:17:47,200 --> 02:17:49,760
evaluation committee judges before they

3158
02:17:49,760 --> 02:17:52,639
see cost ideally, which is why we ask

3159
02:17:52,639 --> 02:17:54,399
that cost is submitted separately. So

3160
02:17:54,399 --> 02:17:58,800
there's not a pre-notion or bias created

3161
02:17:58,800 --> 02:18:02,559
on the cost already. Um so based on what

3162
02:18:02,559 --> 02:18:05,760
was the technical scores um offer C was

3163
02:18:05,760 --> 02:18:07,519
the highest scoring in the technical

3164
02:18:07,519 --> 02:18:11,840
section and then um they al they were

3165
02:18:11,840 --> 02:18:13,679
the

3166
02:18:13,679 --> 02:18:16,719
third um so they got 10.86 of the cost

3167
02:18:16,719 --> 02:18:18,319
points once we put all of their costs in

3168
02:18:18,319 --> 02:18:20,559
there but overall offer C was still the

3169
02:18:20,559 --> 02:18:23,040
highest scoring respondent

3170
02:18:23,040 --> 02:18:25,200
with cost considered or without cost

3171
02:18:25,200 --> 02:18:28,719
considered. So given that we considered

3172
02:18:28,719 --> 02:18:31,200
all four of them still we felt confident

3173
02:18:31,200 --> 02:18:34,719
that in awarding to offer C. So that's

3174
02:18:34,719 --> 02:18:36,479
the recommendation of the evaluation

3175
02:18:36,479 --> 02:18:38,559
committee is to award to offer C which

3176
02:18:38,559 --> 02:18:41,840
is presented here. So

3177
02:18:41,840 --> 02:18:44,000
>> so how quick do we need some an

3178
02:18:44,000 --> 02:18:45,280
inspector in

3179
02:18:45,280 --> 02:18:45,840
>> now?

3180
02:18:45,840 --> 02:18:46,719
>> Immediat. Yeah.

3181
02:18:46,719 --> 02:18:49,280
>> So we've started already and right now

3182
02:18:49,280 --> 02:18:51,280
we're we're paying a company in the

3183
02:18:51,280 --> 02:18:53,599
interim until

3184
02:18:53,599 --> 02:18:54,559
we

3185
02:18:54,559 --> 02:18:56,160
>> approve this. kind of makes me nervous

3186
02:18:56,160 --> 02:18:57,920
if they can't pay attention to detail on

3187
02:18:57,920 --> 02:19:00,479
a RFP then what how are they going to do

3188
02:19:00,479 --> 02:19:02,639
on the inspecting a sewer treatment

3189
02:19:02,639 --> 02:19:04,639
facility that's why I asked him

3190
02:19:04,639 --> 02:19:07,040
>> that because if we could put it back out

3191
02:19:07,040 --> 02:19:09,200
and have them do it correctly.

3192
02:19:09,200 --> 02:19:10,559
>> So the hard part with putting it back

3193
02:19:10,559 --> 02:19:14,000
out is per state statute if we resolicit

3194
02:19:14,000 --> 02:19:17,200
and the public solicitation there has to

3195
02:19:17,200 --> 02:19:20,240
be a significant change in the scope but

3196
02:19:20,240 --> 02:19:21,840
we don't have a significant change the

3197
02:19:21,840 --> 02:19:23,840
scope of the what we're asking for is

3198
02:19:23,840 --> 02:19:25,280
the same. So

3199
02:19:25,280 --> 02:19:28,399
>> some did it correctly, some didn't or?

3200
02:19:28,399 --> 02:19:30,160
>> No, ultimately no one did.

3201
02:19:30,160 --> 02:19:32,479
>> They just did it wrong in different.

3202
02:19:32,479 --> 02:19:32,880
>> Yes.

3203
02:19:32,880 --> 02:19:35,439
>> Was that due to the RFP in general? Was

3204
02:19:35,439 --> 02:19:37,359
it not? Do you feel like it wasn't

3205
02:19:37,359 --> 02:19:38,559
clear?

3206
02:19:38,559 --> 02:19:39,920
>> And that's something that we also took

3207
02:19:39,920 --> 02:19:42,160
into consideration like there could be

3208
02:19:42,160 --> 02:19:45,840
issues with our solicitation if not a

3209
02:19:45,840 --> 02:19:47,040
single one of the vendors did it

3210
02:19:47,040 --> 02:19:49,040
correctly. So that was part of the

3211
02:19:49,040 --> 02:19:51,439
reason we still continued all of them.

3212
02:19:51,439 --> 02:19:53,040
We did read through it. We had Eric from

3213
02:19:53,040 --> 02:19:57,120
Aqua read through it. Um, it seems clear

3214
02:19:57,120 --> 02:20:00,472
to us, but evidently we're wrong.

3215
02:20:00,472 --> 02:20:01,200
[laughter]

3216
02:20:01,200 --> 02:20:03,760
So, we're looking into rewarding and

3217
02:20:03,760 --> 02:20:05,439
adjusting what that needs to look like

3218
02:20:05,439 --> 02:20:07,359
in solicitations moving forward to make

3219
02:20:07,359 --> 02:20:09,280
sure that that

3220
02:20:09,280 --> 02:20:11,600
is less of a

3221
02:20:11,600 --> 02:20:12,960
question mark.

3222
02:20:12,960 --> 02:20:15,200
>> I'm going to ask you a tough question.

3223
02:20:15,200 --> 02:20:16,800
The company that we're currently using

3224
02:20:16,800 --> 02:20:19,280
right now to fill in void, did that

3225
02:20:19,280 --> 02:20:23,200
company um put in an offer on this? Yes.

3226
02:20:23,200 --> 02:20:25,840
>> Is that by chance off or C? Just

3227
02:20:25,840 --> 02:20:26,720
curious.

3228
02:20:26,720 --> 02:20:27,520
>> I don't know. Can

3229
02:20:27,520 --> 02:20:29,439
>> I ask that question? Guess I can ask

3230
02:20:29,439 --> 02:20:30,560
whatever question I want.

3231
02:20:30,560 --> 02:20:31,200
>> Can I answer that?

3232
02:20:31,200 --> 02:20:34,800
>> Whether you get an answer, we'll see.

3233
02:20:34,800 --> 02:20:35,920
>> Yes. Yes,

3234
02:20:35,920 --> 02:20:36,479
>> it is.

3235
02:20:36,479 --> 02:20:39,200
And I was going to I was going to

3236
02:20:39,200 --> 02:20:42,319
ask is there a reason why offer we

3237
02:20:42,319 --> 02:20:44,880
wouldn't just go with the low low number

3238
02:20:44,880 --> 02:20:46,560
on

3239
02:20:46,560 --> 02:20:48,960
>> this specifically

3240
02:20:48,960 --> 02:20:51,680
>> with such a close total point.

3241
02:20:51,680 --> 02:20:52,800
>> Oh,

3242
02:20:52,800 --> 02:20:55,200
>> well technically they had quite a lower

3243
02:20:55,200 --> 02:20:56,800
score.

3244
02:20:56,800 --> 02:20:57,520
>> Okay.

3245
02:20:57,520 --> 02:20:58,960
>> It was just their cost point that was

3246
02:20:58,960 --> 02:21:01,520
high. So that's what's making them look

3247
02:21:01,520 --> 02:21:02,240
competitive.

3248
02:21:02,240 --> 02:21:05,760
>> In what areas would they fail?

3249
02:21:05,760 --> 02:21:08,720
So they did not when we evaluated they

3250
02:21:08,720 --> 02:21:10,640
did not appear to understand the scope

3251
02:21:10,640 --> 02:21:12,720
of work. Okay. So

3252
02:21:12,720 --> 02:21:14,880
>> sorry Alicia scroll back up. So the

3253
02:21:14,880 --> 02:21:18,240
technical scores were on responsiveness,

3254
02:21:18,240 --> 02:21:19,840
experience, project scope and

3255
02:21:19,840 --> 02:21:21,760
understanding and qualifications. So our

3256
02:21:21,760 --> 02:21:23,520
evaluation committee evaluated the

3257
02:21:23,520 --> 02:21:25,280
responses that were submitted based on

3258
02:21:25,280 --> 02:21:27,439
that. That is one reason why we do

3259
02:21:27,439 --> 02:21:29,760
request for proposal rather than just um

3260
02:21:29,760 --> 02:21:32,000
invitation for bid. Invitation for bid

3261
02:21:32,000 --> 02:21:34,800
does tie us into going with the lowcost

3262
02:21:34,800 --> 02:21:37,040
option only and you can't consider other

3263
02:21:37,040 --> 02:21:39,200
factors. However, that sometimes means

3264
02:21:39,200 --> 02:21:43,280
that we're sacrificing value. Um, and so

3265
02:21:43,280 --> 02:21:46,800
RFPs allow us to go for an award to the

3266
02:21:46,800 --> 02:21:50,080
best value for the city rather than just

3267
02:21:50,080 --> 02:21:53,359
the lowcost option which sometimes ends

3268
02:21:53,359 --> 02:21:59,670
up costing us more.

3269
02:21:59,680 --> 02:22:00,720
Can you just scroll back down a little

3270
02:22:00,720 --> 02:22:04,560
bit? I should jump on. Yeah, B and C are

3271
02:22:04,560 --> 02:22:09,120
very close. I mean, in my mind, 87.24,

3272
02:22:09,120 --> 02:22:11,600
88.2,

3273
02:22:11,600 --> 02:22:13,920
and B's

3274
02:22:13,920 --> 02:22:16,720
less.

3275
02:22:16,720 --> 02:22:19,520
So, is that is what I'm looking at is it

3276
02:22:19,520 --> 02:22:20,640
a big difference? Is it not a big

3277
02:22:20,640 --> 02:22:21,120
difference?

3278
02:22:21,120 --> 02:22:23,040
>> No, you're you're correct. I think um

3279
02:22:23,040 --> 02:22:25,359
Chrissy's point earlier was if we since

3280
02:22:25,359 --> 02:22:26,960
none of them did the cost portion

3281
02:22:26,960 --> 02:22:29,520
correctly, if we took consideration of

3282
02:22:29,520 --> 02:22:31,840
the cost out of it, offer C was the

3283
02:22:31,840 --> 02:22:34,399
highest scoreer at and they had a total

3284
02:22:34,399 --> 02:22:36,319
of 77.33

3285
02:22:36,319 --> 02:22:40,720
points. Um offer B scored lower at

3286
02:22:40,720 --> 02:22:43,600
70.67. So the reason that they get

3287
02:22:43,600 --> 02:22:46,720
bumped up to the 87 overall points is

3288
02:22:46,720 --> 02:22:47,920
just because they get a higher

3289
02:22:47,920 --> 02:22:49,680
percentage of the cost

3290
02:22:49,680 --> 02:22:52,080
>> points because they have the technical

3291
02:22:52,080 --> 02:22:53,760
points that seven points. What are we

3292
02:22:53,760 --> 02:22:54,960
look what what kind of difference is

3293
02:22:54,960 --> 02:22:57,840
that? Is that going to be

3294
02:22:57,840 --> 02:22:59,359
>> is that not that bad? This guy could do

3295
02:22:59,359 --> 02:23:01,280
okay. [laughter]

3296
02:23:01,280 --> 02:23:03,680
>> Well to me doesn't seem like a lot. I

3297
02:23:03,680 --> 02:23:05,840
mean it's $100,000 we could save.

3298
02:23:05,840 --> 02:23:07,120
>> So at that point we could argue that

3299
02:23:07,120 --> 02:23:09,280
maybe we go with offer D who scored

3300
02:23:09,280 --> 02:23:11,760
lower two at 75 points. But then we

3301
02:23:11,760 --> 02:23:12,640
don't want to consider them because

3302
02:23:12,640 --> 02:23:13,840
they're the most expensive. [laughter]

3303
02:23:13,840 --> 02:23:14,479
>> Yeah.

3304
02:23:14,479 --> 02:23:16,479
>> So that's another thing is if we're not

3305
02:23:16,479 --> 02:23:17,760
awarding to the highest scoring

3306
02:23:17,760 --> 02:23:18,960
respondent, we have to provide

3307
02:23:18,960 --> 02:23:22,319
justification for why we've deviated

3308
02:23:22,319 --> 02:23:23,920
from awarding to the highest scoring

3309
02:23:23,920 --> 02:23:29,040
respondent. Um and the so

3310
02:23:29,040 --> 02:23:31,840
the hard part to justify what I guess

3311
02:23:31,840 --> 02:23:33,359
would be arguing that they scored lower

3312
02:23:33,359 --> 02:23:34,960
in their technical response. So the

3313
02:23:34,960 --> 02:23:36,880
evaluation committee overall felt like

3314
02:23:36,880 --> 02:23:39,920
they were less qualified to do what we

3315
02:23:39,920 --> 02:23:42,399
were asking for.

3316
02:23:42,399 --> 02:23:44,960
>> Were either of the two of you any one of

3317
02:23:44,960 --> 02:23:47,200
the three evaluators?

3318
02:23:47,200 --> 02:23:49,760
>> I am not. So um

3319
02:23:49,760 --> 02:23:52,880
>> yeah so myself and Marie in the finance

3320
02:23:52,880 --> 02:23:54,880
office handle the solicitations and we

3321
02:23:54,880 --> 02:23:57,040
take in on the questions and the posting

3322
02:23:57,040 --> 02:23:58,319
and the communication with the vendors

3323
02:23:58,319 --> 02:24:01,760
to prevent any bias that are created by

3324
02:24:01,760 --> 02:24:04,319
members on the evaluation committee. So

3325
02:24:04,319 --> 02:24:06,479
that allows our department heads and

3326
02:24:06,479 --> 02:24:10,720
other staff members that are educated in

3327
02:24:10,720 --> 02:24:12,720
their area to sit on the evaluation

3328
02:24:12,720 --> 02:24:14,240
committee because that provides a higher

3329
02:24:14,240 --> 02:24:22,070
value than them managing an RFP.

3330
02:24:22,080 --> 02:24:23,520
I don't

3331
02:24:23,520 --> 02:24:25,200
>> I mean I don't sit on these evaluator

3332
02:24:25,200 --> 02:24:29,120
things but for one person to give a 30

3333
02:24:29,120 --> 02:24:31,760
on a scope and understanding on offer B

3334
02:24:31,760 --> 02:24:34,800
and then evaluator three gives an 18. I

3335
02:24:34,800 --> 02:24:38,080
mean that's quite a jump.

3336
02:24:38,080 --> 02:24:39,680
>> That's true. And then so you do have

3337
02:24:39,680 --> 02:24:42,640
that span on offer A, B, and D. However,

3338
02:24:42,640 --> 02:24:44,160
offer C, which is the recommended

3339
02:24:44,160 --> 02:24:47,200
awarding, all of them scored high. So

3340
02:24:47,200 --> 02:24:49,840
all the evaluators while they were kind

3341
02:24:49,840 --> 02:24:52,080
of across the board in that area on the

3342
02:24:52,080 --> 02:24:54,399
other respondents they were all on the

3343
02:24:54,399 --> 02:25:01,590
same page with scoring offer C high

3344
02:25:01,600 --> 02:25:18,710
which is the recommended awarded vendor.

3345
02:25:18,720 --> 02:25:20,399
And also just to clarify the process

3346
02:25:20,399 --> 02:25:23,840
some the evaluation committee receives

3347
02:25:23,840 --> 02:25:26,640
the responses and fills out their score

3348
02:25:26,640 --> 02:25:29,200
sheet for the technical portion on their

3349
02:25:29,200 --> 02:25:31,520
own independently. They're not we don't

3350
02:25:31,520 --> 02:25:32,960
get together and score them together.

3351
02:25:32,960 --> 02:25:34,880
>> They're not influenced by somebody else

3352
02:25:34,880 --> 02:25:38,640
>> and they're like we send out

3353
02:25:38,640 --> 02:25:42,640
>> ideally. So we do our best to ensure

3354
02:25:42,640 --> 02:25:44,399
that there the technical scores are

3355
02:25:44,399 --> 02:25:47,040
independently scored prior to the when

3356
02:25:47,040 --> 02:25:48,720
we come together on the meeting which

3357
02:25:48,720 --> 02:25:50,800
did occur in this circumstance. Um we

3358
02:25:50,800 --> 02:25:52,080
actually had to postpone it because not

3359
02:25:52,080 --> 02:25:54,800
everyone was finished. So we did just so

3360
02:25:54,800 --> 02:25:55,920
that way we would have everyone's

3361
02:25:55,920 --> 02:25:58,720
technical scores prior to convening to

3362
02:25:58,720 --> 02:26:01,200
discuss it together where a score could

3363
02:26:01,200 --> 02:26:17,910
be swayed by another evaluator.

3364
02:26:17,920 --> 02:26:20,319
I'm going to ask another hard question.

3365
02:26:20,319 --> 02:26:22,800
Um, so

3366
02:26:22,800 --> 02:26:25,359
tell me that the engineering firm that

3367
02:26:25,359 --> 02:26:28,240
designed our wastewater treatment plant

3368
02:26:28,240 --> 02:26:31,280
is not offer C.

3369
02:26:31,280 --> 02:26:34,080
just because there there are there are

3370
02:26:34,080 --> 02:26:36,880
certain engineering firms that that

3371
02:26:36,880 --> 02:26:39,280
offer up these type of services. I just

3372
02:26:39,280 --> 02:26:41,040
want to make sure there's that offer C

3373
02:26:41,040 --> 02:26:42,880
because we don't know who that that is.

3374
02:26:42,880 --> 02:26:44,319
I don't want to see a conflict of

3375
02:26:44,319 --> 02:26:48,240
interest in those regards. So the

3376
02:26:48,240 --> 02:26:48,880
engineering

3377
02:26:48,880 --> 02:26:51,600
>> these are different f these are not an

3378
02:26:51,600 --> 02:26:53,040
engineering firm. These are testing

3379
02:26:53,040 --> 02:26:53,600
firms.

3380
02:26:53,600 --> 02:26:54,240
>> Testing firms.

3381
02:26:54,240 --> 02:26:55,680
>> Yeah. So they're not included in the

3382
02:26:55,680 --> 02:26:57,280
design or the

3383
02:26:57,280 --> 02:26:58,479
>> but no it's not the

3384
02:26:58,479 --> 02:26:59,600
>> Yeah.

3385
02:26:59,600 --> 02:27:01,120
>> Just want to make sure. Yeah, that's

3386
02:27:01,120 --> 02:27:19,270
fair.

3387
02:27:19,280 --> 02:27:22,240
So, it's maybe maybe it'd be beneficial

3388
02:27:22,240 --> 02:27:26,399
to talk publicly uh regarding,

3389
02:27:26,399 --> 02:27:29,359
you know, what what the inspector's job

3390
02:27:29,359 --> 02:27:32,240
is, what time frame this associates

3391
02:27:32,240 --> 02:27:35,840
with. um

3392
02:27:35,840 --> 02:27:37,439
for the benefit of the public just kind

3393
02:27:37,439 --> 02:27:40,399
of is this a year-long commitment for

3394
02:27:40,399 --> 02:27:43,439
every. So this is a over a very general

3395
02:27:43,439 --> 02:27:45,120
overlook but again

3396
02:27:45,120 --> 02:27:47,040
>> this is for an inspector to be there

3397
02:27:47,040 --> 02:27:48,720
from the beginning to the end of the

3398
02:27:48,720 --> 02:27:51,920
project from soil sampling immediately

3399
02:27:51,920 --> 02:27:55,600
right now to compaction to then also

3400
02:27:55,600 --> 02:27:59,520
concrete um for hardness for strength in

3401
02:27:59,520 --> 02:28:04,399
the rebar and the welding and all parts

3402
02:28:04,399 --> 02:28:08,160
starting now till the end.

3403
02:28:08,160 --> 02:28:09,920
And the cost of the inspector, is that

3404
02:28:09,920 --> 02:28:11,680
in the budget for the plant?

3405
02:28:11,680 --> 02:28:14,000
>> Yes, it's included in it.

3406
02:28:14,000 --> 02:28:15,439
>> Yes.

3407
02:28:15,439 --> 02:28:20,000
>> So again, because this is over 35,000

3408
02:28:20,000 --> 02:28:22,160
per our procurement policy before we

3409
02:28:22,160 --> 02:28:25,040
hire a firm to do this.

3410
02:28:25,040 --> 02:28:27,439
We needed to go out to bid.

3411
02:28:27,439 --> 02:28:29,600
>> So officer offer C fits within our

3412
02:28:29,600 --> 02:28:33,520
budget that we have for the inspector

3413
02:28:33,520 --> 02:28:36,160
>> for the wastewater treatment. What did

3414
02:28:36,160 --> 02:28:38,319
we have budgeted in there for? What was

3415
02:28:38,319 --> 02:28:38,800
the amount?

3416
02:28:38,800 --> 02:28:42,560
>> We just I don't know where I have it

3417
02:28:42,560 --> 02:28:51,110
broken down.

3418
02:28:51,120 --> 02:29:11,830
What Robert sends us?

3419
02:29:11,840 --> 02:29:13,840
While you're doing that, in the

3420
02:29:13,840 --> 02:29:16,160
technical score portion in

3421
02:29:16,160 --> 02:29:17,920
responsiveness,

3422
02:29:17,920 --> 02:29:20,000
what was the the max score that you

3423
02:29:20,000 --> 02:29:23,760
could give a particular offer? Was it 15

3424
02:29:23,760 --> 02:29:26,800
or was it 30? What was the max score you

3425
02:29:26,800 --> 02:29:31,439
could give in that first category?

3426
02:29:31,439 --> 02:29:33,680
>> Um, let me double check. Sorry.

3427
02:29:33,680 --> 02:29:34,880
>> Says 15.

3428
02:29:34,880 --> 02:29:36,240
>> 15 is the max score.

3429
02:29:36,240 --> 02:29:39,429
>> Yeah.

3430
02:29:39,439 --> 02:29:42,880
» One of one of the issues. So for

3431
02:29:42,880 --> 02:29:45,760
specifically special inspections and my

3432
02:29:45,760 --> 02:29:48,080
history with special inspections, one of

3433
02:29:48,080 --> 02:29:50,080
the issues that you have typically with

3434
02:29:50,080 --> 02:29:52,800
those type of inspections is they vary

3435
02:29:52,800 --> 02:29:55,520
on where the where the company is coming

3436
02:29:55,520 --> 02:29:57,840
from, how long they are spending

3437
02:29:57,840 --> 02:29:59,520
traveling because that's part of their

3438
02:29:59,520 --> 02:30:01,680
inspection cost

3439
02:30:01,680 --> 02:30:06,399
>> and um so those numbers can vary. The

3440
02:30:06,399 --> 02:30:09,840
other component that becomes variable is

3441
02:30:09,840 --> 02:30:11,840
if that inspector comes out specifically

3442
02:30:11,840 --> 02:30:13,920
to look at one item when he has the

3443
02:30:13,920 --> 02:30:16,240
opportunity to look at four and he just

3444
02:30:16,240 --> 02:30:18,160
looks at ones and go then comes back and

3445
02:30:18,160 --> 02:30:19,840
looks at another and goes back and looks

3446
02:30:19,840 --> 02:30:22,000
at another. So there is an economy of

3447
02:30:22,000 --> 02:30:24,560
scale that can be from a savings

3448
02:30:24,560 --> 02:30:26,479
standpoint if they are inspecting

3449
02:30:26,479 --> 02:30:28,960
multiple things at one point in time.

3450
02:30:28,960 --> 02:30:31,439
Um, so I guess without really kind of

3451
02:30:31,439 --> 02:30:33,760
digging through what what they were

3452
02:30:33,760 --> 02:30:36,160
offering, how they were offering,

3453
02:30:36,160 --> 02:30:38,240
um, I guess that would just be one of

3454
02:30:38,240 --> 02:30:39,439
the things that I'd like to say like

3455
02:30:39,439 --> 02:30:43,600
that we have a due diligence there to to be

3456
02:30:43,600 --> 02:30:45,680
as efficient as possible so that those

3457
02:30:45,680 --> 02:30:47,680
inspections aren't and it looks like

3458
02:30:47,680 --> 02:30:49,120
this is an overall number. I don't know

3459
02:30:49,120 --> 02:30:50,560
if this is an overall number and then

3460
02:30:50,560 --> 02:30:52,319
all a sudden we get a change order

3461
02:30:52,319 --> 02:30:54,720
because they're coming more frequently

3462
02:30:54,720 --> 02:30:55,920
than they thought they were going to be

3463
02:30:55,920 --> 02:30:57,520
or they're traveling farther than they

3464
02:30:57,520 --> 02:30:58,640
thought they were going to be. I just

3465
02:30:58,640 --> 02:31:02,560
want to wasn't sure how our RFP reads

3466
02:31:02,560 --> 02:31:05,439
specifically to to protect us against a

3467
02:31:05,439 --> 02:31:10,160
cost increase on these inspections.

3468
02:31:10,160 --> 02:31:12,560
>> We did ask them to break it down for an

3469
02:31:12,560 --> 02:31:15,600
hourly cost, but also for an estimated

3470
02:31:15,600 --> 02:31:17,439
overall cost of what the whole project

3471
02:31:17,439 --> 02:31:18,240
would be. It's

3472
02:31:18,240 --> 02:31:35,510
>> a GMP max price. Okay.

3473
02:31:35,520 --> 02:31:36,800
Like we're spending a lot of money on

3474
02:31:36,800 --> 02:31:38,319
this sewer treatment plant. So we want

3475
02:31:38,319 --> 02:31:40,479
to get somebody good obviously, but like

3476
02:31:40,479 --> 02:31:42,319
I'm kind of between B and C because it's

3477
02:31:42,319 --> 02:31:45,120
like save us a little bit. A and D to me

3478
02:31:45,120 --> 02:31:47,359
kind of seems to obviously and the

3479
02:31:47,359 --> 02:31:49,520
evaluating committee is recommending C.

3480
02:31:49,520 --> 02:31:51,600
So I'm that that's stupid. we should

3481
02:31:51,600 --> 02:31:53,439
choose.

3482
02:31:53,439 --> 02:31:54,640
>> We obviously want somebody who knows

3483
02:31:54,640 --> 02:31:56,319
what they're doing.

3484
02:31:56,319 --> 02:31:59,760
>> So, we have to choose C unless there

3485
02:31:59,760 --> 02:32:02,240
reason why we don't want to choose C and

3486
02:32:02,240 --> 02:32:05,760
choose B instead. That's where we're at.

3487
02:32:05,760 --> 02:32:08,960
Yeah. And what would be I wish Tyson was

3488
02:32:08,960 --> 02:32:12,080
here, but what what would be the reason

3489
02:32:12,080 --> 02:32:14,319
that we would beside that's what's so

3490
02:32:14,319 --> 02:32:17,355
frustrating with government like

3491
02:32:17,355 --> 02:32:17,680
[clears throat]

3492
02:32:17,680 --> 02:32:19,200
>> saving $90,000.

3493
02:32:19,200 --> 02:32:20,479
>> Yeah. Yeah. This is

3494
02:32:20,479 --> 02:32:22,000
>> Is that a good enough reason?

3495
02:32:22,000 --> 02:32:24,800
>> Yeah, that's a lot of money. And

3496
02:32:24,800 --> 02:32:26,720
>> Tyson is online actually,

3497
02:32:26,720 --> 02:32:28,479
>> especially just going through the

3498
02:32:28,479 --> 02:32:31,760
budget. See,

3499
02:32:31,760 --> 02:32:34,160
>> yeah, especially after the last item.

3500
02:32:34,160 --> 02:32:39,110
>> Tyson, can you hear us?

3501
02:32:39,120 --> 02:32:42,399
» I can't hear you. Yeah. So, can you tell

3502
02:32:42,399 --> 02:32:45,439
us what would be some legal reasons or

3503
02:32:45,439 --> 02:32:49,600
reasons how we could choose offer B to

3504
02:32:49,600 --> 02:33:09,110
save $90,000 instead of offer C?

3505
02:33:09,120 --> 02:33:11,359
What's the the the hangup again as far

3506
02:33:11,359 --> 02:33:14,080
as why you are hesitant to do that?

3507
02:33:14,080 --> 02:33:18,319
>> So, offer C, their cost is 266 almost

3508
02:33:18,319 --> 02:33:20,240
$267,000.

3509
02:33:20,240 --> 02:33:23,520
Offer B, which scored the next highest

3510
02:33:23,520 --> 02:33:26,399
um is $175,000.

3511
02:33:26,399 --> 02:33:31,200
So, 90 about $90,000 difference.

3512
02:33:31,200 --> 02:33:33,359
And there's a seven point score

3513
02:33:33,359 --> 02:33:36,389
difference

3514
02:33:36,399 --> 02:33:37,920
» on technical.

3515
02:33:37,920 --> 02:33:40,880
overall there's a one point

3516
02:33:40,880 --> 02:33:42,880
that's less than a point less than a

3517
02:33:42,880 --> 02:33:48,230
point on total. Yeah. Everything.

3518
02:33:48,240 --> 02:33:50,720
» Council has broad discretion to uh make

3519
02:33:50,720 --> 02:33:54,080
a determination on on their selection uh

3520
02:33:54,080 --> 02:33:56,240
based on uh what they believe to be in

3521
02:33:56,240 --> 02:33:59,200
the best interest of the of the city. Um

3522
02:33:59,200 --> 02:34:02,800
and so that's that's a a prerogative

3523
02:34:02,800 --> 02:34:07,120
that lies within your hands. Um the the

3524
02:34:07,120 --> 02:34:11,920
criteria used to to to score these um

3525
02:34:11,920 --> 02:34:14,960
you know was was pursuant to to state

3526
02:34:14,960 --> 02:34:24,399
code. Um but um on on blind review um if council is is inclined to to make a

3527
02:34:24,399 --> 02:34:35,920
determination um that one category of of uh of evaluation is is weightier than another then that that's within

3528
02:34:35,920 --> 02:34:40,389
your realm.

3529
02:34:40,399 --> 02:34:42,160
We would just have to state then likely

3530
02:34:42,160 --> 02:34:43,760
on the record why we're making that

3531
02:34:43,760 --> 02:34:45,520
choice if we

3532
02:34:45,520 --> 02:34:46,640
>> right Tyson.

3533
02:34:46,640 --> 02:34:51,750
>> Absolutely. Yes.

3534
02:34:51,760 --> 02:34:54,319
» With some limited information and we

3535
02:34:54,319 --> 02:34:56,000
don't know if offer B is based out of

3536
02:34:56,000 --> 02:34:58,640
Hawaii. You know [laughter] I

3537
02:34:58,640 --> 02:35:00,479
>> the thing is I like when I'm looking at

3538
02:35:00,479 --> 02:35:03,200
like evaluator one gave tense all across

3539
02:35:03,200 --> 02:35:04,800
to everybody you know under

3540
02:35:04,800 --> 02:35:07,120
qualifications. If you go up, we go up

3541
02:35:07,120 --> 02:35:09,120
one just a little bit more. Uh, sorry.

3542
02:35:09,120 --> 02:35:11,359
Um, the same with evaluator one, project

3543
02:35:11,359 --> 02:35:16,319
scope and understanding all 30s. So, I I just like I'm not pointing anybody

3544
02:35:16,319 --> 02:35:18,080
out. I'm just saying so I mean seems

3545
02:35:18,080 --> 02:35:19,920
like they're comparable

3546
02:35:19,920 --> 02:35:23,830
to this evaluator.

3547
02:35:23,840 --> 02:35:26,800
» That the difference is the project scope

3548
02:35:26,800 --> 02:35:30,080
and understanding between offer B

3549
02:35:30,080 --> 02:35:33,600
>> and offer C. And that's the that's the

3550
02:35:33,600 --> 02:35:36,560
glaring delta

3551
02:35:36,560 --> 02:35:39,760
um between the two of them in the

3552
02:35:39,760 --> 02:35:42,399
technical portion and and how they were

3553
02:35:42,399 --> 02:35:44,992
scored. I mean that's the that's the

3554
02:35:44,992 --> 02:35:46,240
[cough] difference. [clears throat]

3555
02:35:46,240 --> 02:35:46,640
>> Yeah.

3556
02:35:46,640 --> 02:35:50,640
>> Right here between the two had um and

3557
02:35:50,640 --> 02:35:53,040
we'll need to pick on the evaluators but

3558
02:35:53,040 --> 02:35:54,240
had those scores been a little bit

3559
02:35:54,240 --> 02:35:56,800
differently this would be even closer to

3560
02:35:56,800 --> 02:35:59,439
what it is and it's only 0.96

3561
02:35:59,439 --> 02:36:02,880
um between the two. Right. Yeah,

3562
02:36:02,880 --> 02:36:04,240
I think we're all thinking the same

3563
02:36:04,240 --> 02:36:06,399
thing and we we understand your

3564
02:36:06,399 --> 02:36:09,680
recommendation, Christie. Um,

3565
02:36:09,680 --> 02:36:11,200
and

3566
02:36:11,200 --> 02:36:13,920
with offer C, I did ask the question. I

3567
02:36:13,920 --> 02:36:15,777
mean, they are there right now.

3568
02:36:15,777 --> 02:36:16,319
[clears throat]

3569
02:36:16,319 --> 02:36:19,120
They obviously, you know, we we we

3570
02:36:19,120 --> 02:36:20,399
brought them on board because they

3571
02:36:20,399 --> 02:36:22,160
understand the project scope and they're

3572
02:36:22,160 --> 02:36:24,240
filling the gap.

3573
02:36:24,240 --> 02:36:27,520
I guess how much how much cost have we

3574
02:36:27,520 --> 02:36:32,560
incurred with offer C to date? And it

3575
02:36:32,560 --> 02:36:36,240
may not be much at all. Um

3576
02:36:36,240 --> 02:36:37,920
and and how much of those costs are

3577
02:36:37,920 --> 02:36:40,479
wrapped up in that $266,000.

3578
02:36:40,479 --> 02:36:42,880
It may be negligible because we're so

3579
02:36:42,880 --> 02:36:45,200
early in the project, right?

3580
02:36:45,200 --> 02:36:46,960
>> Five days.

3581
02:36:46,960 --> 02:36:48,319
>> Yeah. Like we haven't received an

3582
02:36:48,319 --> 02:36:50,720
invoice or anything. couple thousand,

3583
02:36:50,720 --> 02:36:52,640
>> but obviously what we're what we're

3584
02:36:52,640 --> 02:36:54,720
using for them right now, we're going to

3585
02:36:54,720 --> 02:36:57,840
have to pay above and beyond $175,000

3586
02:36:57,840 --> 02:37:01,760
if we choose offer B. So, correct.

3587
02:37:01,760 --> 02:37:02,240
>> Correct.

3588
02:37:02,240 --> 02:37:03,439
>> Sorry, what did you say? We're going to

3589
02:37:03,439 --> 02:37:04,160
have to do what?

3590
02:37:04,160 --> 02:37:06,800
>> Okay. So, offer C is on site right now,

3591
02:37:06,800 --> 02:37:07,120
right?

3592
02:37:07,120 --> 02:37:08,399
>> And we're paying them essentially on a

3593
02:37:08,399 --> 02:37:10,080
TNM basis, right? Because we need

3594
02:37:10,080 --> 02:37:12,399
someone on board, right?

3595
02:37:12,399 --> 02:37:13,840
>> Yeah.

3596
02:37:13,840 --> 02:37:15,600
>> But there's costs that are going to be

3597
02:37:15,600 --> 02:37:19,040
incurred with offer C to date.

3598
02:37:19,040 --> 02:37:22,479
If we choose offer B, the 175,000, we'll

3599
02:37:22,479 --> 02:37:24,640
need to pay um the

3600
02:37:24,640 --> 02:37:26,399
>> some additional cost

3601
02:37:26,399 --> 02:37:29,040
>> to see because they're there right now.

3602
02:37:29,040 --> 02:37:30,319
That's why I asked that question,

3603
02:37:30,319 --> 02:37:30,960
>> right?

3604
02:37:30,960 --> 02:37:31,439
>> So,

3605
02:37:31,439 --> 02:37:32,720
>> but they're saying it wouldn't be that

3606
02:37:32,720 --> 02:37:33,920
much.

3607
02:37:33,920 --> 02:37:35,680
>> It's Yeah, but it is something.

3608
02:37:35,680 --> 02:37:36,399
>> Yeah.

3609
02:37:36,399 --> 02:37:39,040
>> So, just I mean I don't think it matters

3610
02:37:39,040 --> 02:37:40,479
that much. I I'm not trying to look over

3611
02:37:40,479 --> 02:37:42,080
like I mean the evaluators obviously

3612
02:37:42,080 --> 02:37:44,399
know they know more than me on this

3613
02:37:44,399 --> 02:37:46,319
>> but it just seems so close between B and

3614
02:37:46,319 --> 02:37:49,520
C that saving $9,000 would be

3615
02:37:49,520 --> 02:37:51,200
considerable

3616
02:37:51,200 --> 02:38:13,990
that discretion to make that

3617
02:38:14,000 --> 02:38:16,000
Did you find out how much we had in the

3618
02:38:16,000 --> 02:38:18,960
budget?

3619
02:38:18,960 --> 02:38:22,479
No, it doesn't explicitly state any for

3620
02:38:22,479 --> 02:38:23,840
inspections specifically.

3621
02:38:23,840 --> 02:38:27,200
>> This is above and beyond.

3622
02:38:27,200 --> 02:38:28,960
>> It would be included. We do have $2

3623
02:38:28,960 --> 02:38:31,680
million contingency or buffer

3624
02:38:31,680 --> 02:38:32,240
that

3625
02:38:32,240 --> 02:38:32,720
>> Yeah.

3626
02:38:32,720 --> 02:38:35,600
It would be covered for sure, but

3627
02:38:35,600 --> 02:38:37,840
it Yeah, there wasn't an explicit budget

3628
02:38:37,840 --> 02:38:41,120
estimated from Aqua for the cost of

3629
02:38:41,120 --> 02:38:43,040
special inspections.

3630
02:38:43,040 --> 02:38:44,399
>> Okay.

3631
02:38:44,399 --> 02:38:49,200
I just worry about service. I mean

3632
02:38:49,200 --> 02:38:51,760
a good inspector. I don't want any

3633
02:38:51,760 --> 02:38:54,160
anything held up.

3634
02:38:54,160 --> 02:38:55,920
Is there a level of service that all of

3635
02:38:55,920 --> 02:38:59,520
them aren't held to? We don't. This is

3636
02:38:59,520 --> 02:39:00,640
so weird. We don't

3637
02:39:00,640 --> 02:39:02,880
>> back to the evaluation. We had to make

3638
02:39:02,880 --> 02:39:04,880
sure all of them had the certifications

3639
02:39:04,880 --> 02:39:05,760
for this.

3640
02:39:05,760 --> 02:39:07,600
>> Okay. So, they all have it

3641
02:39:07,600 --> 02:39:10,000
>> according to their proposal.

3642
02:39:10,000 --> 02:39:13,030
>> Okay.

3643
02:39:13,040 --> 02:39:16,160
So all four offerers are are qualified

3644
02:39:16,160 --> 02:39:18,800
to do the work.

3645
02:39:18,800 --> 02:39:21,200
>> All four of them had

3646
02:39:21,200 --> 02:39:21,840
>> certifications

3647
02:39:21,840 --> 02:39:23,200
>> had certifications.

3648
02:39:23,200 --> 02:39:38,870
>> Okay.

3649
02:39:38,880 --> 02:39:40,640
I mean to me it's a no-brainer. I mean,

3650
02:39:40,640 --> 02:39:42,640
you go up B. We're just getting ready to

3651
02:39:42,640 --> 02:39:44,560
ask for a huge increase and all this

3652
02:39:44,560 --> 02:39:46,240
money and we have a chance to save

3653
02:39:46,240 --> 02:39:49,600
$90,000 and

3654
02:39:49,600 --> 02:39:50,319
>> we're not going to.

3655
02:39:50,319 --> 02:39:51,600
>> But also, that's not 90,000 we're going

3656
02:39:51,600 --> 02:39:53,200
to be able to move to some general fund,

3657
02:39:53,200 --> 02:39:54,720
right? I mean, just so we're clear, this

3658
02:39:54,720 --> 02:39:56,319
is still I mean, I do think it's good.

3659
02:39:56,319 --> 02:39:57,760
We should save money on the on the sewer

3660
02:39:57,760 --> 02:39:58,800
treatment, but I just want to be clear.

3661
02:39:58,800 --> 02:39:59,840
This is not like, oh, hey, we can take

3662
02:39:59,840 --> 02:40:02,880
this 90,000 and move it to some place.

3663
02:40:02,880 --> 02:40:06,800
>> No, that's correct.

3664
02:40:06,800 --> 02:40:08,399
>> What?

3665
02:40:08,399 --> 02:40:11,040
I know.

3666
02:40:11,040 --> 02:40:12,319
>> But I think it's great to say.

3667
02:40:12,319 --> 02:40:14,240
>> Yeah. I just said I think some people

3668
02:40:14,240 --> 02:40:16,240
say, "Oh, we say 90,000. We can get

3669
02:40:16,240 --> 02:40:18,160
something else from the way different

3670
02:40:18,160 --> 02:40:20,800
ask." But we can't do that.

3671
02:40:20,800 --> 02:40:21,680
>> I understand that.

3672
02:40:21,680 --> 02:40:22,960
>> Clarification.

3673
02:40:22,960 --> 02:40:25,439
>> If anything we can say here would be

3674
02:40:25,439 --> 02:40:28,880
relatively low. We can get that interest

3675
02:40:28,880 --> 02:40:32,800
rate to reduce that stuff

3676
02:40:32,800 --> 02:40:34,720
>> or it may help with change orders. That

3677
02:40:34,720 --> 02:40:38,720
may come. True. Very

3678
02:40:38,720 --> 02:40:42,710
good.

3679
02:40:42,720 --> 02:40:45,280
» With that, um, I'll make a motion.

3680
02:40:45,280 --> 02:40:46,399
>> Before you do that,

3681
02:40:46,399 --> 02:40:46,800
>> go ahead.

3682
02:40:46,800 --> 02:40:49,120
>> Sorry, I had one last question. So, just

3683
02:40:49,120 --> 02:40:53,280
for clarity, um, if if offer C is

3684
02:40:53,280 --> 02:40:57,120
chosen, the cost that they've expended

3685
02:40:57,120 --> 02:41:00,080
would be a portion, it would be it would

3686
02:41:00,080 --> 02:41:01,920
not be in addition to what their

3687
02:41:01,920 --> 02:41:03,840
estimate is. It would be included in

3688
02:41:03,840 --> 02:41:07,439
their estimate. Is that accurate?

3689
02:41:07,439 --> 02:41:09,600
So the last five days are included in

3690
02:41:09,600 --> 02:41:10,560
their offer

3691
02:41:10,560 --> 02:41:12,720
>> would be or would not

3692
02:41:12,720 --> 02:41:14,240
>> or we're still going to have to pay them

3693
02:41:14,240 --> 02:41:16,880
the contracted fee for this first week.

3694
02:41:16,880 --> 02:41:19,359
>> That's unclear. I think it's unclear be

3695
02:41:19,359 --> 02:41:20,240
asking for that.

3696
02:41:20,240 --> 02:41:21,040
>> Yeah,

3697
02:41:21,040 --> 02:41:23,359
>> I would think it would be part of what

3698
02:41:23,359 --> 02:41:25,840
the over

3699
02:41:25,840 --> 02:41:28,000
just asking them to do it right now. We

3700
02:41:28,000 --> 02:41:30,399
needed somebody if they get the bid that

3701
02:41:30,399 --> 02:41:32,319
would definitely push them that this is

3702
02:41:32,319 --> 02:41:35,359
in that scope. Otherwise, we just pay it

3703
02:41:35,359 --> 02:41:36,800
for the five days.

3704
02:41:36,800 --> 02:41:39,760
>> Yeah. Not that that would be very much

3705
02:41:39,760 --> 02:41:42,880
of a cost, but

3706
02:41:42,880 --> 02:41:49,670
>> Okay. Thank you. Sorry, I took it.

3707
02:41:49,680 --> 02:41:52,800
Make a motion that we um approve the

3708
02:41:52,800 --> 02:41:55,120
resolution 2026-33

3709
02:41:55,120 --> 02:41:57,359
approving the selection and appointment

3710
02:41:57,359 --> 02:41:59,680
of the wastewater treatment plante

3711
02:41:59,680 --> 02:42:03,280
inspector to offer B due to the fact

3712
02:42:03,280 --> 02:42:08,160
that um the total points was negligible.

3713
02:42:08,160 --> 02:42:11,600
It was less than one um point and the

3714
02:42:11,600 --> 02:42:16,479
savings um was $90,000. And so that

3715
02:42:16,479 --> 02:42:19,520
that's my reasoning why my motion.

3716
02:42:19,520 --> 02:42:21,040
>> We have a motion by council member

3717
02:42:21,040 --> 02:42:22,720
Butler. Is there a second?

3718
02:42:22,720 --> 02:42:23,760
>> I'll second.

3719
02:42:23,760 --> 02:42:26,399
>> Second by council member Dalton. All in

3720
02:42:26,399 --> 02:42:27,600
favor?

3721
02:42:27,600 --> 02:42:29,359
>> I.

3722
02:42:29,359 --> 02:42:30,319
>> Okay.

3723
02:42:30,319 --> 02:42:30,880
>> Thank you.

3724
02:42:30,880 --> 02:42:34,550
Thank you.

3725
02:42:34,560 --> 02:42:36,960
» Item number 16, consideration of

3726
02:42:36,960 --> 02:42:39,280
resolution 2026-35

3727
02:42:39,280 --> 02:42:41,760
authorizing the execution of an

3728
02:42:41,760 --> 02:42:43,600
equipment lease purchase agreement for

3729
02:42:43,600 --> 02:42:46,560
the acquisition of a vac truck and other

3730
02:42:46,560 --> 02:42:50,870
related matters.

3731
02:42:50,880 --> 02:42:53,200
» Yeah. So, you guys actually did approve

3732
02:42:53,200 --> 02:42:56,560
for the purchase of the sewer department

3733
02:42:56,560 --> 02:42:58,560
to purchase the back truck at the

3734
02:42:58,560 --> 02:43:00,560
previous meeting. reason we're coming

3735
02:43:00,560 --> 02:43:04,960
before you is we actually did change to

3736
02:43:04,960 --> 02:43:07,439
um before it was presented to you to do

3737
02:43:07,439 --> 02:43:10,720
the financing through the supplier. Um

3738
02:43:10,720 --> 02:43:13,439
however, they actually had a really high

3739
02:43:13,439 --> 02:43:17,439
rate to of like loan management. I bet.

3740
02:43:17,439 --> 02:43:21,680
>> And so we did reach out to other options

3741
02:43:21,680 --> 02:43:24,560
and Zans came in with a much more

3742
02:43:24,560 --> 02:43:28,399
reasonable like loan management fee and

3743
02:43:28,399 --> 02:43:30,800
then so it ultimately takes down the

3744
02:43:30,800 --> 02:43:33,359
cost and a lower rate. So yeah, the rate

3745
02:43:33,359 --> 02:43:35,920
is lower and then our management costs

3746
02:43:35,920 --> 02:43:38,080
are down like 47,000.

3747
02:43:38,080 --> 02:43:40,399
>> It was a huge difference. So, um, it's

3748
02:43:40,399 --> 02:43:41,840
just coming before you again because we

3749
02:43:41,840 --> 02:43:44,080
did change and we were approved to

3750
02:43:44,080 --> 02:43:45,680
finance through the supplier, but now we

3751
02:43:45,680 --> 02:43:46,880
would like to finance through Zans

3752
02:43:46,880 --> 02:43:48,240
instead.

3753
02:43:48,240 --> 02:43:50,240
>> So, that's why it's before you class

3754
02:43:50,240 --> 02:43:51,359
funds before

3755
02:43:51,359 --> 02:43:53,200
>> it's still funds.

3756
02:43:53,200 --> 02:43:54,960
>> Sewer, sorry, sewer.

3757
02:43:54,960 --> 02:43:57,040
>> Yeah. So, this is for the sewer for

3758
02:43:57,040 --> 02:43:59,600
their back truck to get the financing

3759
02:43:59,600 --> 02:44:01,680
>> that we approved at the last meeting.

3760
02:44:01,680 --> 02:44:03,600
>> We're just making it cheaper that we can

3761
02:44:03,600 --> 02:44:04,319
buy right now.

3762
02:44:04,319 --> 02:44:06,319
>> Well, and and the amount's cheaper than

3763
02:44:06,319 --> 02:44:08,880
what you had proposed previously. um

3764
02:44:08,880 --> 02:44:12,399
upwards of more than $100,000 cheaper.

3765
02:44:12,399 --> 02:44:15,120
>> No, the cost is still we've put down

3766
02:44:15,120 --> 02:44:17,200
we'll put down a h 100,000 and this is

3767
02:44:17,200 --> 02:44:18,720
the amount we're financing.

3768
02:44:18,720 --> 02:44:19,359
>> Okay.

3769
02:44:19,359 --> 02:44:21,040
>> So, it's still at the

3770
02:44:21,040 --> 02:44:24,160
>> but it was still 47,000 less.

3771
02:44:24,160 --> 02:44:24,720
>> Okay.

3772
02:44:24,720 --> 02:44:25,040
>> Yeah.

3773
02:44:25,040 --> 02:44:26,479
>> So, what's cheaper?

3774
02:44:26,479 --> 02:44:29,439
>> It's cheaper because the financer wanted

3775
02:44:29,439 --> 02:44:32,720
to charge us a $50,000 fee to go through

3776
02:44:32,720 --> 02:44:33,439
them

3777
02:44:33,439 --> 02:44:36,399
>> and Zans is charging us about a $3,000

3778
02:44:36,399 --> 02:44:38,560
fee. Oh, that's a big difference.

3779
02:44:38,560 --> 02:44:42,754
>> Yeah. So, we're saving $47,000.

3780
02:44:42,754 --> 02:44:43,120
[laughter]

3781
02:44:43,120 --> 02:44:43,439
>> Great.

3782
02:44:43,439 --> 02:44:47,520
>> Plus the interest was less as well.

3783
02:44:47,520 --> 02:44:47,920
>> So,

3784
02:44:47,920 --> 02:44:49,959
>> plus the $90,000 we just saved.

3785
02:44:49,959 --> 02:44:50,560
[laughter]

3786
02:44:50,560 --> 02:44:53,439
>> Yeah. See, look at us.

3787
02:44:53,439 --> 02:44:55,040
>> We're going to get this. We're on a roll

3788
02:44:55,040 --> 02:44:57,680
this [laughter] budget slashing thing on

3789
02:44:57,680 --> 02:44:59,920
the 11.

3790
02:44:59,920 --> 02:45:02,403
Well, we'll get [clears throat] close or

3791
02:45:02,403 --> 02:45:03,600
[laughter]

3792
02:45:03,600 --> 02:45:06,960
we'll make some. Okay. Very good.

3793
02:45:06,960 --> 02:45:08,399
Yeah, thank you for looking into that

3794
02:45:08,399 --> 02:45:10,399
because typically it's never good to

3795
02:45:10,399 --> 02:45:13,040
finance something through a supplier

3796
02:45:13,040 --> 02:45:14,479
like that. Usually it's better to go

3797
02:45:14,479 --> 02:45:17,920
through a entity like Zans. So yeah,

3798
02:45:17,920 --> 02:45:19,600
it's great.

3799
02:45:19,600 --> 02:45:22,640
>> All right. Can I get a motion?

3800
02:45:22,640 --> 02:45:24,319
>> Yeah, mayor. I make a motion we approve

3801
02:45:24,319 --> 02:45:27,359
resolution 2026 35 authorizing the

3802
02:45:27,359 --> 02:45:29,279
execution of the equipment lease

3803
02:45:29,279 --> 02:45:31,439
purchase agreement for the acquisition

3804
02:45:31,439 --> 02:45:33,920
of the vac truck and other related

3805
02:45:33,920 --> 02:45:36,240
matters as presented. We have a motion

3806
02:45:36,240 --> 02:45:37,760
by council member Butler. Is there a

3807
02:45:37,760 --> 02:45:39,120
second?

3808
02:45:39,120 --> 02:45:39,920
>> I second.

3809
02:45:39,920 --> 02:45:41,920
>> Second by council member Thomas. All in

3810
02:45:41,920 --> 02:45:42,560
favor?

3811
02:45:42,560 --> 02:45:43,680
>> I.

3812
02:45:43,680 --> 02:45:44,479
>> Thank you.

3813
02:45:44,479 --> 02:45:48,070
>> Right.

3814
02:45:48,080 --> 02:45:51,439
Item 17, consideration of resolution

3815
02:45:51,439 --> 02:45:53,200
2026-28

3816
02:45:53,200 --> 02:45:54,880
approving amendments to the Grantsville

3817
02:45:54,880 --> 02:45:57,760
city fee schedule to increase the zoning

3818
02:45:57,760 --> 02:46:00,640
plan checks and permit fees and adding

3819
02:46:00,640 --> 02:46:02,560
rideway permit fees, sidewalk or

3820
02:46:02,560 --> 02:46:04,960
driveway replacement fees, water or

3821
02:46:04,960 --> 02:46:06,960
sewer connection fees, and asphalt

3822
02:46:06,960 --> 02:46:10,800
repair fees to the zoning fees section.

3823
02:46:10,800 --> 02:46:13,680
>> Um, yes. So, in the building department,

3824
02:46:13,680 --> 02:46:15,520
and if you want to scroll through this,

3825
02:46:15,520 --> 02:46:19,439
the zoning plan check fee was $25

3826
02:46:19,439 --> 02:46:21,200
and

3827
02:46:21,200 --> 02:46:23,279
with the communication and the plan

3828
02:46:23,279 --> 02:46:24,960
check, that just doesn't even cover

3829
02:46:24,960 --> 02:46:27,840
staff's time. Um, so that was increased

3830
02:46:27,840 --> 02:46:31,680
from 25 to 100. Um, the plan check and

3831
02:46:31,680 --> 02:46:35,040
the permit fee that matches um another

3832
02:46:35,040 --> 02:46:38,689
permit um inspection fee as well.

3833
02:46:38,689 --> 02:46:40,800
[sighs and gasps] And then we removed

3834
02:46:40,800 --> 02:46:45,040
the um rightaway cut permits, sidewalk,

3835
02:46:45,040 --> 02:46:46,640
and things like that out of the building

3836
02:46:46,640 --> 02:46:48,720
department's fee schedule and moved it

3837
02:46:48,720 --> 02:46:51,920
to the zoning fee schedule because the

3838
02:46:51,920 --> 02:46:55,040
um inspectors are not the building

3839
02:46:55,040 --> 02:46:56,800
inspectors, but the land use inspectors

3840
02:46:56,800 --> 02:46:59,040
are the ones inspecting those rightaway

3841
02:46:59,040 --> 02:47:01,279
permits. So, it made sense to have that

3842
02:47:01,279 --> 02:47:04,160
funding under zoning as well as allow us

3843
02:47:04,160 --> 02:47:06,560
to be able to charge those fees through

3844
02:47:06,560 --> 02:47:09,680
um community and developments I work

3845
02:47:09,680 --> 02:47:12,880
application. So,

3846
02:47:12,880 --> 02:47:14,160
>> are the fees staying the same but

3847
02:47:14,160 --> 02:47:43,110
they're just being transferred over?

3848
02:47:43,120 --> 02:47:44,960
was just those two things.

3849
02:47:44,960 --> 02:47:45,680
>> That's it.

3850
02:47:45,680 --> 02:47:48,720
>> That's good. Anybody have questions?

3851
02:47:48,720 --> 02:47:49,840
Let's do this.

3852
02:47:49,840 --> 02:47:50,479
>> Go for it.

3853
02:47:50,479 --> 02:47:51,520
>> All right. I make a motion [laughter]

3854
02:47:51,520 --> 02:47:54,880
that we approve resolution um 2026-28

3855
02:47:54,880 --> 02:47:56,080
approving amendments to the Grantsville

3856
02:47:56,080 --> 02:47:57,760
city fee schedule to increase the zoning

3857
02:47:57,760 --> 02:47:59,680
plan check and permit fees and adding

3858
02:47:59,680 --> 02:48:02,000
rightway permit fees, sidewalk or

3859
02:48:02,000 --> 02:48:04,240
driveway replacement fees, water or

3860
02:48:04,240 --> 02:48:05,840
sewer connection fees, and asphalt

3861
02:48:05,840 --> 02:48:09,120
repair fees to the zoning fee section.

3862
02:48:09,120 --> 02:48:11,046
>> We have a motion by council member

3863
02:48:11,046 --> 02:48:12,240
[snorts] Skinner. Is there a second?

3864
02:48:12,240 --> 02:48:13,040
>> I'll second it.

3865
02:48:13,040 --> 02:48:14,880
>> Second by council member Williams. All

3866
02:48:14,880 --> 02:48:17,760
in favor?

3867
02:48:17,760 --> 02:48:19,680
>> Right.

3868
02:48:19,680 --> 02:48:20,800
make lots of money.

3869
02:48:20,800 --> 02:48:24,389
>> Yeah. [laughter]

3870
02:48:24,399 --> 02:48:26,240
» Item [snorts] 18, consideration of

3871
02:48:26,240 --> 02:48:29,279
resolution 2026-32

3872
02:48:29,279 --> 02:48:31,520
approving Rodeo Arena light and water

3873
02:48:31,520 --> 02:48:33,200
fees in the Grantsville City fee

3874
02:48:33,200 --> 02:48:35,680
schedule.

3875
02:48:35,680 --> 02:48:38,557
And this is presented by Aspen as well.

3876
02:48:38,557 --> 02:48:38,960
[laughter]

3877
02:48:38,960 --> 02:48:40,000
>> I know you guys

3878
02:48:40,000 --> 02:48:41,279
>> don't be getting comfy down there,

3879
02:48:41,279 --> 02:48:41,840
Aspen.

3880
02:48:41,840 --> 02:48:43,040
>> I know.

3881
02:48:43,040 --> 02:48:44,880
>> Not tonight. Fine.

3882
02:48:44,880 --> 02:48:46,560
>> I brought my Pepsi with me this time.

3883
02:48:46,560 --> 02:48:47,920
So, [laughter]

3884
02:48:47,920 --> 02:48:51,279
um, last time I had presented to you for

3885
02:48:51,279 --> 02:48:54,560
the rodeo rental fee, um, there had been

3886
02:48:54,560 --> 02:48:56,640
discussion about costs associated with

3887
02:48:56,640 --> 02:48:58,880
the usage of the arena lights, the water

3888
02:48:58,880 --> 02:49:00,560
over at the arena, and other things like

3889
02:49:00,560 --> 02:49:04,640
that. So, um, I did do some

3890
02:49:04,640 --> 02:49:06,240
research and I spoke with Christy and

3891
02:49:06,240 --> 02:49:07,600
her team and just things that they

3892
02:49:07,600 --> 02:49:10,960
thought would be reasonable rates to

3893
02:49:10,960 --> 02:49:13,760
charge. Um, and so we are proposing that

3894
02:49:13,760 --> 02:49:16,240
the usage of the arena lights will be

3895
02:49:16,240 --> 02:49:19,359
$25 per hour. Again, they would only

3896
02:49:19,359 --> 02:49:21,520
need that if the event went into the

3897
02:49:21,520 --> 02:49:24,640
evening, the dark night hours. And then

3898
02:49:24,640 --> 02:49:26,960
for the usage of the arena water, um,

3899
02:49:26,960 --> 02:49:29,520
that would be $15 per reservation. So,

3900
02:49:29,520 --> 02:49:31,359
if they are going to need to water the

3901
02:49:31,359 --> 02:49:33,279
arena or use the water there, they would

3902
02:49:33,279 --> 02:49:35,920
just let us know when they make the

3903
02:49:35,920 --> 02:49:37,680
reservation and it would just be $15.

3904
02:49:37,680 --> 02:49:40,319
It's a flat fee. It's not based on

3905
02:49:40,319 --> 02:49:42,880
anything else. So um that's just a

3906
02:49:42,880 --> 02:49:46,160
followup to our discussion previously

3907
02:49:46,160 --> 02:49:48,160
and this is what is being recommended

3908
02:49:48,160 --> 02:49:51,359
>> but that's per reservation right so the

3909
02:49:51,359 --> 02:49:53,120
way I understood it when you presented

3910
02:49:53,120 --> 02:49:55,920
it last time when we discussed it a

3911
02:49:55,920 --> 02:49:58,000
reservation isn't always needed right

3912
02:49:58,000 --> 02:49:59,600
it's there it's open

3913
02:49:59,600 --> 02:49:59,920
>> correct

3914
02:49:59,920 --> 02:50:02,479
>> but if you want it reserved for you

3915
02:50:02,479 --> 02:50:04,160
>> to be able to utilize you need to make a

3916
02:50:04,160 --> 02:50:06,720
reservation there's a fee tied to that

3917
02:50:06,720 --> 02:50:08,160
>> and if they want to use the water it's

3918
02:50:08,160 --> 02:50:10,399
there but with the arena lights if they

3919
02:50:10,399 --> 02:50:12,640
want to use them at all, regardless of

3920
02:50:12,640 --> 02:50:15,840
whether they made a reservation or not,

3921
02:50:15,840 --> 02:50:18,319
will we be charging the $25 per hour?

3922
02:50:18,319 --> 02:50:20,399
And how do we how do we go about that?

3923
02:50:20,399 --> 02:50:22,319
>> Can we How do they turn the lights on?

3924
02:50:22,319 --> 02:50:24,240
>> We can lock it. And so they can only

3925
02:50:24,240 --> 02:50:25,920
turn them on if they have a reservation.

3926
02:50:25,920 --> 02:50:28,399
>> Do we have a lock on this question?

3927
02:50:28,399 --> 02:50:30,720
>> You need a key for it. Yes.

3928
02:50:30,720 --> 02:50:34,000
>> There we go. So yes, the arena lights

3929
02:50:34,000 --> 02:50:35,520
you would need to be using with a

3930
02:50:35,520 --> 02:50:36,960
reservation. So if you're not don't have

3931
02:50:36,960 --> 02:50:38,399
a reservation, you would not be able to

3932
02:50:38,399 --> 02:50:38,960
turn them on.

3933
02:50:38,960 --> 02:50:40,960
>> Metal Halli lights. So you can see the

3934
02:50:40,960 --> 02:50:43,359
dial spin when you turn it on.

3935
02:50:43,359 --> 02:50:46,080
>> Yeah,

3936
02:50:46,080 --> 02:50:49,359
>> the old dinosaur

3937
02:50:49,359 --> 02:50:53,990
style.

3938
02:50:54,000 --> 02:50:54,399
» Do we

3939
02:50:54,399 --> 02:50:56,080
>> We don't have the budget to put in LED

3940
02:50:56,080 --> 02:50:58,319
lights yet. So

3941
02:50:58,319 --> 02:50:59,760
>> once they warm up, they're really

3942
02:50:59,760 --> 02:51:02,080
bright.

3943
02:51:02,080 --> 02:51:02,960
>> Are they working good?

3944
02:51:02,960 --> 02:51:05,840
>> Yeah. Yeah. I went um Monday night. I

3945
02:51:05,840 --> 02:51:08,560
came in about 9:30. Turned them on. that

3946
02:51:08,560 --> 02:51:10,000
takes about five minutes for them to

3947
02:51:10,000 --> 02:51:12,880
really warm up and get bright. But they

3948
02:51:12,880 --> 02:51:14,319
>> I would not want to be the person that

3949
02:51:14,319 --> 02:51:16,080
climbs the pole to change those poles

3950
02:51:16,080 --> 02:51:17,359
out.

3951
02:51:17,359 --> 02:51:18,800
>> They only got bucket trucks.

3952
02:51:18,800 --> 02:51:20,560
>> I know. [laughter]

3953
02:51:20,560 --> 02:51:23,990
>> JG,

3954
02:51:24,000 --> 02:51:26,240
» have we c I mean we captured everything?

3955
02:51:26,240 --> 02:51:27,680
I guess the only question I had is we

3956
02:51:27,680 --> 02:51:29,840
captured everything regarding I mean I

3957
02:51:29,840 --> 02:51:31,840
know

3958
02:51:31,840 --> 02:51:35,760
I I think this is excited for the rodeo

3959
02:51:35,760 --> 02:51:37,760
to come back to Grantsville. It's going

3960
02:51:37,760 --> 02:51:39,920
to be an awesome

3961
02:51:39,920 --> 02:51:40,399
>> Yeah.

3962
02:51:40,399 --> 02:51:42,640
>> opportunity. Is there any other areas

3963
02:51:42,640 --> 02:51:44,640
that we feel like we need to capture

3964
02:51:44,640 --> 02:51:47,680
within that space? And I guess

3965
02:51:47,680 --> 02:51:50,960
>> have we a general question

3966
02:51:50,960 --> 02:51:53,439
>> or we are we going to look into charting

3967
02:51:53,439 --> 02:51:55,840
extra for the traffic.

3968
02:51:55,840 --> 02:51:58,479
>> Do we open restrooms?

3969
02:51:58,479 --> 02:52:00,000
>> Restrooms are always open. Okay.

3970
02:52:00,000 --> 02:52:02,560
>> They're open right now.

3971
02:52:02,560 --> 02:52:05,680
Um I I thought we were leaving it more

3972
02:52:05,680 --> 02:52:08,000
as only city employees were using the

3973
02:52:08,000 --> 02:52:10,240
tractors how we left it right now.

3974
02:52:10,240 --> 02:52:13,200
>> Yeah, right now we don't um I would not

3975
02:52:13,200 --> 02:52:15,359
recommend for like I had mentioned when

3976
02:52:15,359 --> 02:52:17,359
we've discussed it previously that the

3977
02:52:17,359 --> 02:52:19,200
usage of the tractor is just a liability

3978
02:52:19,200 --> 02:52:21,040
issue on our part. So,

3979
02:52:21,040 --> 02:52:21,600
>> I think

3980
02:52:21,600 --> 02:52:23,920
>> and it does have rates in there for the

3981
02:52:23,920 --> 02:52:26,240
uh like

3982
02:52:26,240 --> 02:52:27,680
I don't want to say rental of an

3983
02:52:27,680 --> 02:52:29,840
employee, but like to have an employee

3984
02:52:29,840 --> 02:52:31,840
at your event in order to use the

3985
02:52:31,840 --> 02:52:34,080
tractor to drag if necessary.

3986
02:52:34,080 --> 02:52:35,920
>> So, that is already in the fee schedule

3987
02:52:35,920 --> 02:52:38,000
though of of public works employee per

3988
02:52:38,000 --> 02:52:39,120
hour.

3989
02:52:39,120 --> 02:52:43,760
>> I not the if I may, we did just bring in

3990
02:52:43,760 --> 02:52:47,920
800 tons of sand to this arena. So, I

3991
02:52:47,920 --> 02:52:50,080
would encourage

3992
02:52:50,080 --> 02:52:54,640
um people renting the arena to

3993
02:52:54,640 --> 02:52:57,359
um utilize having an employee there to

3994
02:52:57,359 --> 02:52:59,680
work that sand because all they're doing

3995
02:52:59,680 --> 02:53:02,240
is just compacting it and breaking it

3996
02:53:02,240 --> 02:53:05,439
down and then we restart from ground

3997
02:53:05,439 --> 02:53:07,760
zero again. Can we make that a

3998
02:53:07,760 --> 02:53:10,160
requirement when it's rented for longer

3999
02:53:10,160 --> 02:53:13,520
periods of time that it has someone that

4000
02:53:13,520 --> 02:53:16,319
gets to come take care of it before and

4001
02:53:16,319 --> 02:53:17,680
take care of it after

4002
02:53:17,680 --> 02:53:18,720
>> reservation but that does

4003
02:53:18,720 --> 02:53:19,840
>> in the reservation

4004
02:53:19,840 --> 02:53:23,439
>> that does require um employees time and

4005
02:53:23,439 --> 02:53:24,000
>> right

4006
02:53:24,000 --> 02:53:26,880
>> you know usually on a weekend part of it

4007
02:53:26,880 --> 02:53:28,880
I mean I hate to force someone to do

4008
02:53:28,880 --> 02:53:30,000
something but it

4009
02:53:30,000 --> 02:53:32,479
>> it would help make it bene beneficial

4010
02:53:32,479 --> 02:53:34,319
for use for everyone I don't I don't I

4011
02:53:34,319 --> 02:53:36,080
don't know how we do that though in in

4012
02:53:36,080 --> 02:53:40,080
fee schedule. So without

4013
02:53:40,080 --> 02:53:42,560
>> Christie is it is the tractor used on a

4014
02:53:42,560 --> 02:53:45,120
regular basis

4015
02:53:45,120 --> 02:53:46,319
>> that's our intent.

4016
02:53:46,319 --> 02:53:47,120
>> Okay.

4017
02:53:47,120 --> 02:53:50,080
>> No they without a reservation do it

4018
02:53:50,080 --> 02:53:51,840
twice a week without any reservation.

4019
02:53:51,840 --> 02:53:53,600
Okay.

4020
02:53:53,600 --> 02:53:56,479
>> You don't always make it.

4021
02:53:56,479 --> 02:53:58,560
>> Yeah.

4022
02:53:58,560 --> 02:54:00,720
>> We'll have summer hires here in few

4023
02:54:00,720 --> 02:54:07,269
weeks. That will help.

4024
02:54:07,279 --> 02:54:09,840
Correct.

4025
02:54:09,840 --> 02:54:15,120
>> I move to approve resolution 20 2026-32

4026
02:54:15,120 --> 02:54:17,359
approving ROI Arena lights and water

4027
02:54:17,359 --> 02:54:20,080
fees in Grantville city fee schedule.

4028
02:54:20,080 --> 02:54:21,760
>> We have a motion by council member

4029
02:54:21,760 --> 02:54:24,319
Williams. Is there a second?

4030
02:54:24,319 --> 02:54:25,200
>> I'll second.

4031
02:54:25,200 --> 02:54:27,040
>> Second by council member Dalton. All in

4032
02:54:27,040 --> 02:54:32,630
favor? Hi.

4033
02:54:32,640 --> 02:54:34,399
» Okay, we made it through that long

4034
02:54:34,399 --> 02:54:35,359
agenda.

4035
02:54:35,359 --> 02:54:37,500
>> Make a motion we

4036
02:54:37,500 --> 02:54:38,399
[laughter]

4037
02:54:38,399 --> 02:54:41,120
have a motion and a second. All in

4038
02:54:41,120 --> 02:54:46,790
favor?

4039
02:54:46,800 --> 02:54:47,120
» Yes.

4040
02:54:47,120 --> 02:54:48,880
>> Thank you.

4041
02:54:48,880 --> 02:54:53,990
>> I have a quick question.

4042
02:54:54,000 --> 02:54:57,279
the job when we need it.