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You're welcome.

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at the beginning

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that year.

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Are we ready, Alicia?

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» Okay. Welcome everyone. This is a

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special work meeting um for the

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Grantsville City Council. Today's date

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is Monday, May 11th, 2026.

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This meeting is being held at 429 East

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Main Street in Grantsville, Utah, and

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electronically by Zoom. and the time is

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6:00 p.m. Uh we're going to start with

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the pledge of allegiance. If you would

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please rise for the

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» I aliance to the flag of the United

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States of America and to the republic

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for which it stands. One nation under

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God, indivisible with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» [clears throat]

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>> We'll start with a roll call. Council

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member Butler

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>> present.

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>> Um Thomas

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>> here.

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>> Dalton

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>> Skinner

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>> Williams

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>> here.

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>> And I am Mayor Heidi Hammond. And we

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will begin this meeting with agenda item

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number one, a discussion of the

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memorandum of understanding with the

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Towilla County School District.

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Um, Jeff, do you want to take the lead

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on that?

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>> Yeah, go ahead.

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>> Okay. Um,

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so maybe to give a little bit of

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history.

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>> I just said Jeff. I'm sorry.

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>> You're okay. [laughter]

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>> I've been called worse.

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>> So, no offense, Jeff. I was meaning

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Jake.

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um maybe [clears throat] give a brief

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history of this and I think many of the

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council members are very aware of the

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situation that we have uh with our

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growing population and parks and

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specifically the park that is shared

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between this the the toilet county

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school district uh and our local our our

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teams our Grantsville teams the baseball

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team softball team and the um soccer

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both soccer teams actually

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and how that's presenting more of a

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challenge as we continue to grow and

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occupying the same space and trying to

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coordinate that with

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new programs that are coming in and

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wanting to to use those fields. And it's

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been a it's been, for lack of a better

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word, a a handshake agreement

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uh for years

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to try to make that work. And that

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coordination happens with a meeting in

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the early spring every year with all of

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the coaches, president, members of the

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school district and um principles

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[snorts]

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and our our city representation as well.

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Christie has been involved in that. And

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so the the challenge lies in trying to

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get it [clears throat] to work from year

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to year. And and so

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at the start of this year, um I started

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looking into what we have, what

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agreement we have in place and when we

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do not have one, which is which is

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creates some risks in itself. If you

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know we talk about insuranceances and

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you know if we have a high school kid

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break his leg in a game is that high

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school responsibility or is that this

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you know or if something happens over

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there during the time that the school

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district is there. So just the exposure

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that we have there and so needing to

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find a a solution

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and I think uh having had several

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conversations with members of the school

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uh the district is is wanting to look

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for a way to find a solution over there.

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uh as are we obviously because it's a problem that we have and it's a

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growing problem each day that we add new

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members to the community. So

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the there's a there's a memorandum of

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understanding that's in a draft form.

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The the question that I wanted to ask

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the council is how do they feel

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regarding this topic specifically?

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Um, what direction do we want to go from a

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city standpoint to to assist with

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trying to find a solution for our kids

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to be able to play? All of our all of

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our kids to be able to play, not just

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those that go to school

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Christie, can I ask you a question? Um,

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has the high school or has the school

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district stopped taking care of the

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or is the city who is taking care of

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them directly right now? I know that the

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agreement was it was going to be the

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school district, but I don't know if

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>> They were mowing it this morning. I saw

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them mowing it this morning. So,

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were not going to spray it. They were

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not going to fertilize it. they were not

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going to ariate it now that we had made

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this understanding that they would not

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be using the fields next year, but he

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agreed to mow it until they were no

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longer the high school was no longer

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playing, which will be the end of this

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>> Right. Okay. But I I know I have had to

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have some city employees go over and

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take care of the field. Um the weed

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eating hasn't been done still. Um not against I'm not putting that against

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you. I'm just saying that was the

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understanding is that they were going to

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take care of it.

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>> They're just doing the minimal mowing

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>> Yeah. So, the weed eating along the back

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fences is I mean the weeds are foot and

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a half tall. Um

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to go over and take care of items as far

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as maintenance of those fields even

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though they weren't supposed to be

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having to do that. Is that correct? Um

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well again we'll need to pick up on the

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fertilizer and if we ariate we don't

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have an ariator right now so it won't

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happen right

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I think they have done what they said

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they would finish doing besides those

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>> the water should always be us anyway

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no not about water

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in the outfield that they couldn't run

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through them. So, I had to ask Colton,

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could you go and run?

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care of by the city, not the school

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district.

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>> Okay. Thank you.

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» So, there was a number of items

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that were thrown around to to discuss. I

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mean, obviously obviously Grantsville is

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not too far away from a high school and

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you know uh the school district has its

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own financial challenges that they're

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working through as far as you know truth

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and taxation and some of those things.

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discussion. There's there was some ideas

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thrown around to purchase the property

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and see if they could just build

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what it what the school needs, which is

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a soccer field

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and softball field and a baseball field.

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That would alleviate the issue entirely.

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Um make it go right away.

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developing scenic slopes and that will

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al it won't solve the issue regarding

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the high school portion of it, but it

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alleviate some impact from a little

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league standpoint, but we're we're a

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little bit away from that that end

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result. So,

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yeah, the question I have for the

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council is is what are their thoughts

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regarding this? Um, you know, there was questions of the possible

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purchase of of the park itself

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um so that the school district could

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the current um I guess

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the amount required is about 45 acres,

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45 to 50 acres. and if they were able to

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capture the park in that it gets them

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closer to that requirement.

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Um so that idea was thrown out or around

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and so I I know obviously that you know

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the park is where we meet and have all

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of our celebrations but you know is it

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big enough for us? Could it could there

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be opportunities? I'm throwing out a lot

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of snowballs here. [snorts] So, um,

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you know, could that be something that

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is discussed? Um,

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yeah. So, one, the immediate issue is to

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get an understanding with the school

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district. A little bit frustrated to

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hear that, you know, we had a we had at least

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an understanding what was supposed to

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happen and that's that's not happened.

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you know, the other component here is,

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you know, our kids are both both

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programs actually are in the playoffs

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and, uh, and to take away their, you

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know, homefield advantage is something

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that I wouldn't want to do, you know,

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um, in [clears throat] future years if

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we're telling them they they've got to

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find another place to play. There's been

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some conversations that they would

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probably push them to the peak and then

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have to develop those fields up enough

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to be able to to support that. There

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isn't a regulate there isn't a

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regulation high school. Well, there's a

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spot for one, but it would need a bunch

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of work. So, they would have to the

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school district would have to do that

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to to make that work, which it sounds

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like they're willing or open to do.

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[snorts] Um,

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but yeah, we can't get, you know, the

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grass fertilized here. That's

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frustrating. So um so yeah getting a

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level of understanding and and putting

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it onto paper I think we could find some

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the the discussion with the board

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members is trying to find the middle

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ground and then I think it's two-prong

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thing for us is find a how do we patch

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the hole in the boat and then and then

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figure out the timeline to buy a new

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boat. So, um, is kind of the

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>> who buys the new boat?

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>> For who buys a new boat.

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>> There you go.

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>> I have a question. So, I mean, I know we

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have a couple weeks left of school. You

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said they're in the playoffs. So, how

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much longer do they need?

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>> Just this week.

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>> Just the end of the season.

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>> But also, it sounds like you're saying

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now because they're the ones who drafted

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this memorandum of understanding, but

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now sounds like maybe they don't want to

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deal with that with us. Is that what

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we're talking?

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>> No, they do.

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the the the

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every one of the board members that I

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spoke with, they do

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um what that translates to, what that

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agreement is, the agreement as it is, we

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I I wouldn't agree to. So, the way I've

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read it, it's just it it's so one-sided

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that and it and really in the end, it's

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about putting the kids on the field. But

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I, you know, I I don't mean this with

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any disrespect to the to the school

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district, but they've really benefited

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from not having any fields here in

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Grantsville and not have to pay for

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anything.

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So, I mean, all of those other

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Stansbury, you know, toilet, they have new fields and those will cost

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something and they have something over

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here that doesn't cost anything. And and

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now that we're asking for something

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>> that it should cost something, we're

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already

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uh being difficult, I guess, is the is

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the word that

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>> non-ooperative.

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>> So, I guess we're talking about like

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putting a patch in the boat and

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initially when we saw this, we were

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going to like try and hurry and get

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something so we could kind of have it in

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place, but we're not gonna get anything

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in place now.

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>> It won't happen this year.

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>> So, we need to like now we're like,

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okay, how do we buy the boat? You know,

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and who buys it? And so I think I mean

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in my opinion it's up to them like what

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are they going to do? I mean I don't

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know which way are they leaning. Do we

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have any idea like or do they want to

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buy it? Do they I know you guys have

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talked

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>> it would benefit them to keep the same

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situation that they have. I think it

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would benefit our kids keep the same

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situation that we have.

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>> Absolutely. Absolutely. Geographically

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it's the best place for them to hold

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their programs but whose expense

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>> right? Well, the other component is is

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if if we continue what we've been doing, it just it's

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going to become increasingly more

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difficult because we have now we have

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other recreational programs that want to

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use the high school field and we're

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telling them

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there's not a place to play yet and

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that's hard to do for because it's being

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utilized by the school district. So,

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Any

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thoughts on that? [clears throat]

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>> I've I've thought for a long time that property we should sell it to the

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school. Makes sense to them having use

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it and we do a new city park somewhere

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that's I mean that place is congested. I

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also don't want the kids to have to

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drive to Desireette Peak for practices

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for I mean that road's dangerous as it

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is.

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>> Yes.

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um having to go there for practices and

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different things. Like I mean my kid

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will be out of school by then, but I

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don't want any kid driving to practice

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to Desert Peak. It just doesn't make

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sense when you got everything across the

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street and we're at a point where we

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need a probably a bigger area for our

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events and different things. So, it

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makes sense to me to

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go that route of selling it to the

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school and using that money from the

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sale to

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um whether we speed up scenic slopes

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phase two and get that process going or

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find or you know down behind Clark Farm

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do something back there. I you know

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different areas like that. So,

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>> let me give you just a little more

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background if that's okay on the selling

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of the property. So, two years ago, I

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went to the district and I I offered

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that suggestion. I said, "Look, we just

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simply when when we were a city of 4,000

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people and a 2-way high school, this

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worked. When I was growing up, I mean,

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it was okay. It was okay." Well, we've

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quadrupled our number of residents.

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We've quadrupled our number of students

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in the high school. And now, this area

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has just become all the more dangerous.

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I mean, those of you who are here

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remember the danger of a foul ball in

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1990,

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let alone in 2026

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going on to Cherry Street. So, I said,

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"Look, this makes the most sense to me.

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I'm not the smartest person, but to me,

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it makes the most sense for you to

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purchase this property and do just as

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you said." And they said, "Well, let us get back with you on that." And

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so the answer came back that they were

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hiring a consultant for the district

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that was going to analyze what the best

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thing was to do with Grantsville High

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School and the whole entire school

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district

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um as a whole as far as their

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properties. So

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they came back after the consultant had

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been hired and they had done this big

401
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study and they said we do not want to

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purchase the fields because

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uh the consultant has

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um guided us that we should just buy a

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new property for a new high school. Even

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if we add on to the present high school

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and have this have the property across

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the street, it doesn't change the fact

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that we have almost 4A um enrollment

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numbers and we're sticking them into a

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2-way high school. So, your gym is still

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going to be small. Your auditorium is

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still going to be small. The commons

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area for, you know, the cafeteria is

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still going to be too small. So the best

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thing is going to be to buy a piece of

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property and you know at at the time the

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discussion was in 2028 which is now only

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two years away we will try to bond again

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and that will be a high priority to get

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a new high school for Grantsville

422
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because we understand that we're taking

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up all of your space and this isn't

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working. We will then move the junior

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high to the high school and the junior

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high will become Grantsville's next

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elementary school. Okay, great. If

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that's what you're if that's your plan,

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then that's great. Well, now it's turned

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into um we're 8 to 10 years away is what

431
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I'm being told by school board members.

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8 to 10 years from obtaining a new or

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going out to bond for a new high school

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in Grantsville. So the question is is

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they do not have the parking for their

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own I mean they're taking up all the

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city parking across the street. The

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church parking is becoming almost a

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nightly issue because they're taking up

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all the parking at the church and if

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there's a funeral or whatever the event

442
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is, the church parking lot is filled

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with high school slashcity events. Um

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but yeah, so for a minute it seemed like

445
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they were ready to purchase property for

446
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a high school and we started working

447
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with them on finding

448
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places that we thought made sense with

449
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our transportation plan that we were um

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working on that worked to put all you

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know having a place where traffic could

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be dispersed and and would flow and get

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people to the high school. And for a

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minute that was going really well. Um

455
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I'm not sure exactly where that is at

456
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this particular moment, but they kind of

457
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seem to have put the brakes on that. So

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all the things that were it felt like

459
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they were trying to find solutions

460
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uh just keep going backwards.

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Personally, I still think that if they

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are planning for an 8 to 10 year build

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for Groundsville High School, I still

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think they should buy the park and we

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should build something that makes more

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sense for our community as far as size

467
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of the community that we are now

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compared to what we were on, you know,

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when the park was built there on Cherry

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Street. But I don't I don't know that

471
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that's just a little more background of

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how this has all gone back and forth for

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the last two years.

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>> Yeah. And it's become I we talk about

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safety. I I was going two nights ago or

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three nights ago, I was going to pick up

477
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my son from the baseball field after

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practice and we have little tea ballers

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and I had a te-baller

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get out of his car and you know cars on

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both sides completely full and the

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parking lot for the school they had an

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event that night so it was completely

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full. So everybody's just parking in the

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church parking lot in a te in a t-baller

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ran right in front of my truck. And so I

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you know I'm I'm worried we're gonna

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have and we're going to have a a safety

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issue there

490
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um sooner if if this isn't addressed.

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Now I know they there's been discussion

492
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that they're going to move the portables

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uh from the parking lot. They're gonna

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right

495
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>> they're gonna purchase some new

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portables

497
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>> that are going on the practice field

498
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>> football practice fields

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>> which ended up removing our little

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league from using those fields from

501
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having a place that are now

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>> that are now going to go to Desireette

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Peak next year.

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>> So it's

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>> so the frustrating Sorry, sorry. The

506
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frustrating part about that is is

507
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>> that the school district was charging um

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the little league football teams to play

509
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on the practice field. I believe it was

510
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about $600 for every Saturday. Do you

511
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know if that's correct?

512
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>> It's right around there.

513
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>> Yeah. Okay. So, they were charging them

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$600 approximately to use the football

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practice field for their games. So,

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every game that they hosted, they had to

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pay the school district $600.

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And then now they have actually said,

519
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"Sorry, we're putting, you know, these

520
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portable more portable classrooms back

521
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here." Which I understand they need to

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do. I'm not disputing that that's

523
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necessary. But now that's eliminated

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them from having a place to play and so

525
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now they're having to go to Desert Peak.

526
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But the whole situation where they're

527
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using the fields for the price of

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fertilizer and um air rating and mowing

529
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as opposed to $600 a day to use the the

530
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practice field. I I just don't see where

531
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[sighs]

532
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we're just not in in a

533
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equitable place here. That's my concern.

534
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And we're not. And and really honestly,

535
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we're not going to solve this problem

536
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today. No, I think we can talk about

537
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this a little bit later. We've got all

538
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these wonderful individuals here who are

539
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department heads. We're here to talk I'm

540
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here to talk about budget, right?

541
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>> We can talk about agenda item number

542
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one. I'd like to table that and move it

543
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to after. We can talk about it till one

544
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o'clock in the morning. I don't care.

545
00:23:40,799 --> 00:23:41,679
>> Please don't. [laughter]

546
00:23:41,679 --> 00:23:43,200
>> But

547
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,440
>> um I want to roll up our sleeves and

548
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,440
tackle this budget. I mean, we got we

549
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,200
spent 22 minutes and we've got all these

550
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,799
folks here. Um, I I think we should move

551
00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:54,400
this particular discussion now that it's

552
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,000
ruminating in our head.

553
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,039
>> I think we should shift gears.

554
00:23:57,039 --> 00:23:58,000
>> I think that's a great idea

555
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,919
>> and and focus on the budget. So,

556
00:23:59,919 --> 00:24:00,799
>> okay,

557
00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:02,000
>> that's my that's my

558
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,120
>> Do you want to make a motion?

559
00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:06,000
>> Make a motion we table um agenda item

560
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,080
number one and discuss it after we

561
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,919
tackle agenda item number two.

562
00:24:09,919 --> 00:24:11,360
>> We have a motion by council member

563
00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:12,640
Butler. Is there a second?

564
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:13,120
>> Second.

565
00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:14,880
by council member Williams. All

566
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,520
in favor? I

567
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,279
>> All right. Moving on to agenda item

568
00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:21,120
number two. Presentation and discussion

569
00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:24,799
of the fiscal year 27 budget. This is a

570
00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:28,159
discussion item only. No p no public

571
00:24:28,159 --> 00:24:30,559
comment or action will be taken tonight.

572
00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:33,279
This is just a discussion. Um and with

573
00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:35,120
that we will have a presentation of the

574
00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:38,240
proposed property tax impact schedule. I

575
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,320
believe um Aspen will give that to us.

576
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:43,679
>> Awesome.

577
00:24:43,679 --> 00:24:46,720
Um so again just for transparency for

578
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,240
truth and taxation I am going to read

579
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,240
the property tax impact schedule that

580
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,159
you all have that was presented at last

581
00:24:52,159 --> 00:24:54,480
Wednesday's meeting with the 84%

582
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,640
increase. So um at this time that's

583
00:24:58,640 --> 00:24:59,200
still

584
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,159
>> sharing

585
00:25:00,159 --> 00:25:02,000
>> I'm plugged in I don't know how to get

586
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,120
>> I I have to do it here I think.

587
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:12,310
>> So you'll probably have to drag it.

588
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:13,520
Sorry, I just want to make sure we

589
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:14,400
present it.

590
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,200
>> Okay, so this is the same one. It has

591
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,760
not changed from last city will consider

592
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,520
an increase to its property tax rate

593
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,000
from 0.001368

594
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,000
to 0.002517,

595
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,600
which exceeds the estimated certified

596
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,679
tax rate and is estimated to generate an

597
00:25:29,679 --> 00:25:33,120
additional 1,749,71

598
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:35,760
in property tax revenue. The following

599
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,279
information is intended to provide the

600
00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:39,039
city council and the public with an

601
00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:41,120
explanation of how the city's operations

602
00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:42,480
would be affected if the proposed

603
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,200
property tax increase is adopted. So

604
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,640
again, you see at the top our current

605
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,080
property tax rate at 0.001368,

606
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,600
which would generate approximately

607
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,400
2,82,977

608
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,279
in property tax revenue. The proposed

609
00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:00,000
change would generate approximately

610
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,190
3,832,678

611
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,159
in property tax revenue, which is an

612
00:26:06,159 --> 00:26:09,909
additional 1,749,71,

613
00:26:09,919 --> 00:26:12,320
which would put our new property tax

614
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,640
rate at 0.02517,

615
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,679
which is approximately 84% increase.

616
00:26:17,679 --> 00:26:20,960
That equates to broken $27.92

617
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,440
a month for a residential average

618
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,640
person. Um, with that we are proposing

619
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,480
$30,000 for HR to have a pay and

620
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,960
compensation study completed as well as

621
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,559
an additional parks and right staff for

622
00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:37,760
city slopes coming online as well as a

623
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,080
roughly 3% inflation increase on budget

624
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:46,549
line items equating to 1 mill749.

625
00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:47,760
So that's the same. That has not

626
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:48,880
changed. It's the same as last

627
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,600
Wednesday. It's you guys have a copy of

628
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,080
that. Everything's the same for that.

629
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,000
for transparency.

630
00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:01,350
Um before we get too far into

631
00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:04,880
that too much um

632
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,440
the budget, we do want to say

633
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:14,799
um so we have gone through Michael and I

634
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:17,760
mayor Heidi all of our department heads

635
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:22,400
this morning um and we have gone through

636
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:27,760
line by line with everyone um and We did

637
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,080
see where did it go?

638
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,279
So we did end up reducing

639
00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:36,400
by $456,000.

640
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,679
So the difference now is 1.2 million

641
00:27:39,679 --> 00:27:41,520
that needs to be made up for in property

642
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,200
taxes which just for rough estimates

643
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,880
equates to approximately 62%. So based

644
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,000
on what we'll be presenting tonight, it

645
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,760
has gone down from 84 to 62. So that is

646
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,679
stuff that we have done here internally

647
00:27:57,679 --> 00:27:59,679
with staff. Um

648
00:27:59,679 --> 00:28:02,240
>> however, we're set at 84 because of what

649
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,080
we did last Wednesday, right?

650
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,919
>> No, that's the highest weight.

651
00:28:05,919 --> 00:28:07,760
>> Exactly. We're set at 84. Correct.

652
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:08,480
That's the highest

653
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,399
>> as of right now. Yeah, 84 is what is

654
00:28:10,399 --> 00:28:13,840
presented. So um as we go through this,

655
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,559
as things change, as you guys suggest

656
00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:18,399
different options and whatever, it could

657
00:28:18,399 --> 00:28:19,919
go down.

658
00:28:19,919 --> 00:28:22,880
Um, another point that I did want I

659
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,320
guess I don't know you want to talk

660
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,320
about previous history.

661
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,279
>> Okay.

662
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:29,520
>> So I did go on the certified tax rate

663
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,480
website from the state. Um, has history

664
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,159
back from 1999 is as far back as we can

665
00:28:36,159 --> 00:28:42,480
go. Um, I did enter all that in just for

666
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,279
like the sake of conversation just so we

667
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:48,559
can understand. Um, from n Oh, excuse

668
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:50,799
me. 1997 is how far back we were able to

669
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:53,679
go. From 97 to 2008, there was no

670
00:28:53,679 --> 00:28:56,720
change. We adopted Gransville City

671
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,480
always adopted the proposed certified

672
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,679
tax rate. In 2009, they did

673
00:29:01,679 --> 00:29:04,640
approximately a 1% increase

674
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,799
um on the certified tax rate. And in

675
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:09,440
2010, they did approximately a 3%

676
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,279
increase. That was the last time

677
00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:13,279
Grantsville City has increased property

678
00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:17,760
taxes was 2010. Now, with that,

679
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,080
Gransville City adopted certified tax

680
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,039
rates that were lower or excuse me, they

681
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:25,520
adopted property tax rates that were

682
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,640
lower than the certified tax rate. Um,

683
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,000
in 2011, they did a 10% decrease and

684
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,919
then in 2012, they did a 16% decrease.

685
00:29:35,919 --> 00:29:38,480
So, the last time Grantsville City did

686
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,080
not adopt the certified tax rate, they

687
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,200
were actually adopting a 16% decrease in

688
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,399
property tax rates. And then since then

689
00:29:46,399 --> 00:29:50,480
again no change. So

690
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,520
with that it is important to note that

691
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,399
when you go back like that you it

692
00:29:56,399 --> 00:29:59,840
doesn't make up in the next year. So

693
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,760
ultimately

694
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:06,640
since 2012 they've been you know 26%

695
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,720
behind what they could have been even

696
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,720
without adopting an increase. So, um,

697
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,919
you can see here that had they adopted

698
00:30:15,919 --> 00:30:17,440
the certified tax rate, they would have

699
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,679
been at a little over a million, but

700
00:30:19,679 --> 00:30:22,320
they in property tax revenue, but

701
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:23,679
instead since they adopted a lower rate,

702
00:30:23,679 --> 00:30:26,480
they got 978,000.

703
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,080
And then the next year, again, it was

704
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,360
reduced because lower and it was 1

705
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,000
million, [snorts] but they took at 80

706
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,000
874,000.

707
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,279
>> So, that's just things to know. Um I did

708
00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:41,520
confirm that with the contact of the

709
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:46,000
state of Utah just to make sure that is the most upto-date accurate

710
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,600
information that we have available and

711
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,000
that that is correct understanding of

712
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,240
that and they did confirm that that is

713
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,640
correct. So that's some history about

714
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,080
because I know it's kind of been like oh

715
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,159
grants hasn't raised taxes in 17 years

716
00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:02,960
18 years 14. It's kind of been I haven't

717
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,440
heard a for sure number. So now we know

718
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,640
it hasn't been raised since 2010 and it

719
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,320
actually went down to the two years

720
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:15,520
after. So that's just some

721
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,320
thoughts there.

722
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,240
Um I think now we do want to allow an

723
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,399
opportunity for you guys to hear from

724
00:31:24,399 --> 00:31:26,640
some of our department heads that are

725
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,559
here and available. So if you have

726
00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:30,480
specific questions directed to any of

727
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,080
them, we're happy to have them come up

728
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,399
or we can just

729
00:31:34,399 --> 00:31:36,159
pick on them and have you say you're go

730
00:31:36,159 --> 00:31:40,630
first. [laughter]

731
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,080
» Public safety.

732
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:51,190
>> Okay, Chief, you're up.

733
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,360
» So we're all in the deficit. So, we've

734
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,159
tried to go through and um just slim

735
00:31:56,159 --> 00:31:58,000
down everything. And you can see with

736
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,880
any line, we've slimmed we're running

737
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,200
slim everywhere across every department.

738
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,799
So,

739
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:07,360
if you guys can see anything in here

740
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,679
that we can discuss that maybe you have

741
00:32:09,679 --> 00:32:12,159
questions on, but I know bottom line

742
00:32:12,159 --> 00:32:13,919
number after we went and cut I think

743
00:32:13,919 --> 00:32:16,080
we're like what

744
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,360
25 ahead of or more than last year's

745
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:24,159
budget. So, and that's with basically

746
00:32:24,159 --> 00:32:28,480
your staff increase or your that 3% wage

747
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:29,919
increase.

748
00:32:29,919 --> 00:32:30,399
>> So,

749
00:32:30,399 --> 00:32:33,840
>> this doesn't include the additional

750
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:40,870
>> no status quo.

751
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,320
» And then some of the notes over there,

752
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,960
we kind of when we met last Friday,

753
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,279
Michael and Aspen and I, we kind of made

754
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:49,440
some notes on how we come up with these

755
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,039
numbers. So, if you have questions on

756
00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:51,840
them.

757
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:52,640
>> Yeah.

758
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,720
>> One thing that I do want to point out,

759
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,120
um, and I'm working with Heidi, our HR

760
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,640
director, currently, um, and you see it

761
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,399
here in Chief Savior's budget, and it's

762
00:33:02,399 --> 00:33:04,159
in a couple of the other budget lines,

763
00:33:04,159 --> 00:33:06,399
but unemployment compensation is really

764
00:33:06,399 --> 00:33:08,240
difficult to budget for.

765
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,880
>> So, that's kind of a variable. So, that

766
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,279
could be overbudgeted or it could be

767
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:15,120
under budgeted. It's really difficult to

768
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,360
know based on turnover. I do know right

769
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,760
now we put it in there for ones that we

770
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:24,399
have had pull from this year. Um but of

771
00:33:24,399 --> 00:33:27,039
course any sort of lapse in employment

772
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:30,559
would affect that. So that's just

773
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:32,399
something to consider. That line item is

774
00:33:32,399 --> 00:33:34,080
kind of

775
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,640
a question mark.

776
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,880
>> Could we

777
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,600
um could we look at other professional

778
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,120
services? Could we talk about that line

779
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,880
item? Yeah, let's do that

780
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,240
>> because it's it it's quite the jump and

781
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,000
I'd like to know and understand a little

782
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,399
bit better, you know, what it is the

783
00:33:52,399 --> 00:33:54,960
increase in that particular amount when

784
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,399
it could go potentially to something

785
00:33:56,399 --> 00:33:58,960
else or anyways. So, just

786
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,360
>> basically these are um software

787
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,320
contracts. One is about $7,700. That's

788
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,320
called Frontline. That's our online

789
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,879
application which uh complaints, use of

790
00:34:08,879 --> 00:34:11,599
force um and we track and we do our

791
00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:13,599
employee evaluations. It also there's

792
00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:15,520
state law that we have to have an early

793
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,679
intervention system and this qualifies

794
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:20,320
for that. When we first did this

795
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,000
introduced that one it was about three

796
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,399
years ago two to three years ago and the

797
00:34:24,399 --> 00:34:27,839
next was like 15,000. So we got the

798
00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:29,359
budget there and a grant for the first

799
00:34:29,359 --> 00:34:32,480
year and then you have about $5,800 in

800
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,879
what's called Lexapole. Lexa pulls our

801
00:34:34,879 --> 00:34:38,240
policy management um software and what

802
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:42,320
that entails is we um every federal

803
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,879
state or up upgrade to policy for best

804
00:34:44,879 --> 00:34:47,679
practice is ran through their legal team

805
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:49,599
through the chiefs of police association

806
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:51,839
and then they give a draft and so it's

807
00:34:51,839 --> 00:34:53,679
it allows us to keep up with best

808
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:56,240
practices and with our accreditation and

809
00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:58,960
then there's a $1,700

810
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,960
um online training platform that

811
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,359
Lexipole offers and that we each officer

812
00:35:03,359 --> 00:35:05,200
has to have 40 hours annual training

813
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:06,160
each year to maintain their

814
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,280
certification and that way I can deploy

815
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,839
online training so they can do it on

816
00:35:11,839 --> 00:35:15,760
shift um and not overtime compensation.

817
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,880
Then we have Lexus Nexus uh basically

818
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,599
background or investigation tools that

819
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:23,200
allows us to search information when

820
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,920
we're doing investigations on on people.

821
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,079
ACE of the PO a the shredding service um

822
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:32,320
is on there and then

823
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,760
>> I did move um the contractor dispatch

824
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,599
into that line because it was previously

825
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:40,480
located in dues and fees which didn't

826
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,320
seem appropriate. So we did move and

827
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,640
that's 159,000

828
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,800
>> the big jump. So that's the jump. That's

829
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,240
what I was asking for.

830
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:49,359
>> 158,000 there.

831
00:35:49,359 --> 00:35:50,320
>> There's the detail.

832
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,160
>> So yeah, I didn't want to interrupt but

833
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:52,560
I was

834
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,560
>> And then I I didn't realize you moved it

835
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,800
in there. [snorts] I can't see that. If

836
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:57,920
you make it a little bit bigger,

837
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,800
>> I know I was trying to fit like

838
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:01,839
>> that's [clears throat] that's a big jump

839
00:36:01,839 --> 00:36:04,160
and the rest is is stuff like that

840
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:04,960
council.

841
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,000
>> So essentially you re reallocated fees

842
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,560
from uh 105463 to that 105439.

843
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,640
>> Typically it was about a 31,000 and then

844
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,800
you add the the dispatch fee and that

845
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,079
would make that up.

846
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:18,320
>> All right.

847
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,630
>> Yeah.

848
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,240
the special program expense down at the

849
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:25,119
bottom. That one went down

850
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:26,240
significantly. What's that one?

851
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:29,359
>> Yeah. So, we we started the RAD program

852
00:36:29,359 --> 00:36:32,079
um and then NOVA and then like our third

853
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:34,720
grade Christmas cards, but I was able to

854
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:36,079
get grant funds to get all that

855
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:38,800
equipment. So, I think I can operate our

856
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,599
just equipment and those those special

857
00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:43,760
events with that much money.

858
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:44,320
>> Yeah, we don't.

859
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,079
>> Are we keeping Nova and the red?

860
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:47,920
>> Yes, absolutely. I think that's a great

861
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,200
thing for the community unless the

862
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:50,880
council chooses otherwise, but we've got

863
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,040
all the trading and everything. So, and

864
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,720
then the third grade Christmas cards,

865
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:57,520
what that's we we have the competition

866
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,520
with the the students and they give us

867
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,760
our their drawings and then we publish

868
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,200
those and we use those as our Christmas

869
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:12,390
card. So, that's usually $4 to $500.

870
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,560
What's the line item? It's, you know,

871
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,599
like a light colored green there for

872
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:20,720
Yeah. 236. What's what explain to me a

873
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:25,520
little bit what that is and rent to MBA?

874
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,920
Rent sounds like to me a revenue

875
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,040
generator

876
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,000
>> justice center.

877
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,720
>> So yeah, so level pay for the justice

878
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:34,960
center building. So you'll see it here

879
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,720
and then in the MDA section of the

880
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:39,280
budget, you see it transfer. So we'll do

881
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,200
a transfer from here to the MDA and then

882
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,320
that's where we're actually pay the

883
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:42,720
loan.

884
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:43,839
>> That's our payment.

885
00:37:43,839 --> 00:37:45,520
>> Yes. So that and that's

886
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,520
>> we can change the rent to loan. That's

887
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,200
how they had it named before, but yeah,

888
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:50,560
it's a deficit there.

889
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:51,119
>> So,

890
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:52,160
>> yeah.

891
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,359
it looks like in 26 we have

892
00:37:55,359 --> 00:37:56,960
116,900,

893
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,920
but in prior years it was 12,9500.

894
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:00,320
>> Yeah.

895
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,599
>> So, why the why the decrease? Did we not

896
00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:06,320
charge enough for rent on that to help

897
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,359
pay for it on the other end or what's what's the scoop there?

898
00:38:09,359 --> 00:38:11,200
>> Uh, no, that's just the repayment

899
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,800
schedule or based on the loan. Um, we

900
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,720
have it varies based on principal and

901
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:18,560
interest payments each year. So, it does

902
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,599
it's not always exactly the same. It's

903
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:23,520
sometimes in the same ballpark, but I

904
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,280
can provide those to you. It's just from

905
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,880
I have a whole packet of all of our

906
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,640
loans with our interest and principal

907
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,640
payments. So, that's just what it is

908
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,200
this year.

909
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:49,589
>> Well, this year got

910
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:51,599
Looks like you've consistently come in

911
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:55,119
under on parts, supplies, and equipment.

912
00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:57,839
But that's if you look at our grants,

913
00:38:57,839 --> 00:39:02,079
like this year I'll have like 43,000 or

914
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:05,040
50,000 in grants, and sometimes

915
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,280
that helps. But this this parts,

916
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:08,960
supplies, and equipment, there's one

917
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,640
major purchase this year. Um, and Taser

918
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,240
is um discontinuing our current Taser

919
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:18,560
and that is going to the Taser 10, and

920
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,839
that's about 85,000 to $100,000 purchase

921
00:39:21,839 --> 00:39:24,079
to upfit our officers.

922
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:26,480
>> But there is a payment plan which we can

923
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,720
consider, and that would be like 8

924
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:32,240
to6,000 a year for like 5 years. I don't

925
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:35,119
know on on that one, but you have to the

926
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:37,040
less lethal is you have to give them the

927
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,880
tools so they have I call it

928
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,359
deescalation options before their

929
00:39:41,359 --> 00:39:43,839
firearm as well. So yeah,

930
00:39:43,839 --> 00:39:44,640
>> since they're [snorts] not making those

931
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:45,680
tasers like they're not making

932
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,280
cartridges and stuff for me,

933
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:48,560
>> they're going to discontinue and then

934
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:49,920
stop the service. So

935
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:50,640
>> crazy.

936
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,640
>> So I I have to at least get patrol.

937
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,480
That's a that's a major um concern on

938
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:57,040
that one.

939
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,800
>> The salaries and wages, that's just an

940
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,560
3% increase for the current staff. You

941
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,359
have the staffing. Now, I I had a the

942
00:40:03,359 --> 00:40:05,359
cola I don't know if the top out was

943
00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:05,920
there

944
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,560
>> and I have I sent that to Mike. So, that

945
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:09,520
one's still

946
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,280
>> if it's considered a cola, the top out

947
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,359
that wasn't considered in here. The top

948
00:40:15,359 --> 00:40:16,960
out officers, I have four top out

949
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,560
people, they would stay status quo. But

950
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,040
if we say it's cola, that seems to be

951
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,760
more across the board, not just four

952
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,200
doesn't get it. So, it wouldn't include

953
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,839
those four in this number. So depending

954
00:40:27,839 --> 00:40:30,160
on if it's a step increase or cola board

955
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:30,880
may not get it.

956
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,880
>> How it was approved in in August 6,

957
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,000
2023, we presented a wage scale to this

958
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,520
board. Um and then it uh was approved

959
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,760
that there if if there was a coal, the

960
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,200
whole step would move to make it

961
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,200
consistent across. So you just up the

962
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,760
step to that. And I don't know if that's

963
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:52,320
how this council is going to choose to for that um particular item, but that

964
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,040
was August 16, 2023. You can see the

965
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,480
presentation and you can see the

966
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,839
approval on that and how how they how it

967
00:40:59,839 --> 00:41:06,950
was u presented to them.

968
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,200
» If you added another officer in your

969
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,480
salaries and wages, how much more would

970
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:11,599
you need?

971
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:14,160
>> Well, it it depends on the on the range.

972
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,800
So, on the low end, you're probably with

973
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,119
benefits and full insurance. I would

974
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:21,280
estimate on my PowerPoint that it would

975
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,880
I've got that all broke down.

976
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,839
it it's about

977
00:41:27,839 --> 00:41:31,520
150 I would

978
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,359
>> but you can also do other things you can hire them in incremental stages

979
00:41:35,359 --> 00:41:37,359
which you can try to span hires across

980
00:41:37,359 --> 00:41:38,800
two budget years

981
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,040
>> you know and that the cost

982
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,920
>> yeah but it still have we we're still

983
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,119
going to be in the same boat if we're in

984
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:47,280
a deficit the next budget year is the

985
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,200
problem we across with everybody yeah

986
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,960
right there that's an estimate based on

987
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,079
the this is based on a top out the the

988
00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:56,079
first column there that's based on your

989
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:58,640
top out uh the the highest we'd pay for

990
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,839
an officer. So if you hire a step one is

991
00:42:01,839 --> 00:42:04,480
going to be less step five less you know

992
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,440
and then the other ones is how you gauge

993
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,040
the incremental hires or spread it

994
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,200
throughout the year. This holds the

995
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:12,560
vehicle outfit and everything.

996
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,800
>> That doesn't Well, no. This is just This

997
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,359
is a purse.

998
00:42:17,359 --> 00:42:19,920
>> But the I do have three reserve cars

999
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,160
that we use them a lot. Car goes down,

1000
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,160
goes over. We could spend, you know,

1001
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:25,520
spread it and put them in a reserve

1002
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,119
card. They're still healthy. But then

1003
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:30,319
I'm starting to utilize assets and then

1004
00:42:30,319 --> 00:42:33,040
cars break down. But we if they're

1005
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,240
sitting there, we're not using them, so

1006
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:37,829
we might as well use them as well.

1007
00:42:37,839 --> 00:42:39,200
If you have another officer, does it

1008
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,880
reduce your overtime budget then? Or is

1009
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:41,920
that stays the same?

1010
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,800
>> Right now, we're still so lean. I think

1011
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,079
um it would it would stay about the same

1012
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:50,079
and especially with the special events

1013
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:52,240
and and things like that.

1014
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:54,160
>> Does this Sorry, ask a lot of questions.

1015
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,160
The salary include the

1016
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,760
>> your sergeant that you already you're

1017
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,200
missing a sergeant position. Does the

1018
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,720
salary increase include putting somebody

1019
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:02,560
back in that sergeant position?

1020
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,560
>> No, that doesn't. So right now you're

1021
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:05,839
still you're still at the two.

1022
00:43:05,839 --> 00:43:07,680
>> I have a vacant sergeant position that I

1023
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,160
need to fill and this is kind of the

1024
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:11,760
time where we fill it or not. At this

1025
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:12,160
point

1026
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,599
>> you had that position and now it's

1027
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:15,040
>> gone. Well,

1028
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,319
>> I mean it's open. It's open.

1029
00:43:16,319 --> 00:43:18,720
>> We need the right people for it and I've

1030
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:22,160
got those people now. Um it's just the

1031
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:23,920
time to fill it is when

1032
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,619
>> and it would be an increase in pay to

1033
00:43:25,619 --> 00:43:26,560
[clears throat]

1034
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,160
>> Yeah, a little bit. You could go to that

1035
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,839
PowerPoint.

1036
00:43:29,839 --> 00:43:31,359
>> Um

1037
00:43:31,359 --> 00:43:33,200
and these are estimates, right? So go

1038
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,000
down to

1039
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,270
um

1040
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,079
see wage you do the sergeant wage just

1041
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:44,000
go to that green right there.

1042
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,960
>> So basically you from four if they'd go

1043
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,200
to step one. So if it's a step four or

1044
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:50,800
step 10 officer they'd go to that step

1045
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,240
one. There has to be that little bit of

1046
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:54,960
separation. So there's 2080 times that

1047
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,440
you're looking at um couple thousand

1048
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,720
here. So

1049
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:02,800
that difference, right?

1050
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:03,119
>> Yeah.

1051
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:06,319
>> That's what that would cost,

1052
00:44:06,319 --> 00:44:07,040
>> Mrs.

1053
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,560
>> But it's we do need we do need

1054
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,160
supervision and we need more of it. I

1055
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,079
mean, it's it is very stressful on our

1056
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:15,200
line supervisors right now.

1057
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,560
That's kind of why this PowerPoint was

1058
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,680
laid out like that. But this is Yeah,

1059
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,200
it's where we're at. I don't know. In

1060
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,240
regards to revenue, does does the line

1061
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:30,640
item 103510 fines, is that all generated

1062
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:34,720
through the police department or is that

1063
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:37,520
also the justice department as well?

1064
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:38,560
>> I don't know.

1065
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,400
>> Proposed budget revenue-wise,

1066
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,640
it's line 48.

1067
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:49,030
Um, $215,000.

1068
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,280
Does that does that go back into the

1069
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,440
police department or does it just go in

1070
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,359
the overall general fund budget as

1071
00:44:55,359 --> 00:44:58,000
revenue

1072
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,359
designated back for the

1073
00:44:59,359 --> 00:45:01,119
>> I would say it's a general fund because

1074
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:03,040
the police pulled from the general fund.

1075
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,880
>> Okay. I was just curious.

1076
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,960
>> So for reference

1077
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:07,119
I

1078
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:08,960
>> mean there are some people that consider

1079
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,400
the police department as a revenue

1080
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,720
generator.

1081
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:13,680
>> Yeah.

1082
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,040
>> We just enforce the law.

1083
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,160
>> I know. I know.

1084
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:17,760
>> And then it goes to the court tongue and

1085
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,839
cheek. [laughter] Yeah. So, a lot of

1086
00:45:19,839 --> 00:45:21,920
them that come into that fines is them

1087
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,560
paying their stuff through the court.

1088
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:24,880
>> Yeah.

1089
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,280
>> So, but it does ultimately just go into

1090
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:28,079
like the general

1091
00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:35,956
>> fun.

1092
00:45:35,966 --> 00:45:37,276
[clears throat]

1093
00:45:37,276 --> 00:45:46,550
[snorts]

1094
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,480
It appears to me that you're running you

1095
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,280
should possibly can with what we see

1096
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,960
here.

1097
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,240
>> And I know we talked about this LA,

1098
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:55,760
we're already under the national or how

1099
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,079
many we should have per citizen.

1100
00:45:58,079 --> 00:45:59,280
Correct. I mean, I think we talked about

1101
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,760
this last time. It's like 1.4 we're

1102
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:02,560
supposed to be.

1103
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:03,119
>> Yeah.

1104
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:06,000
>> Per thousand person. And yeah, per

1105
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,319
thousand and we're already gone. Yeah,

1106
00:46:08,319 --> 00:46:10,960
that's an estimate and and something

1107
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,480
that I came up with with all the the

1108
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,000
research and put that document together

1109
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,000
and used, you know, the capital facility

1110
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,800
plan and then what's around and and and

1111
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,640
the staffing and the short staffing and

1112
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,800
calling people in. One person calls off

1113
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,640
and then we're calling in overtime and

1114
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,800
we can't it's last minute stuff, right?

1115
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,359
Um, and so you put that for and I think

1116
00:46:29,359 --> 00:46:31,440
that that number is important for the

1117
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,599
next at least the next couple years to

1118
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:36,240
get built up and then I think and you

1119
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:38,000
need to evaluate it annually really and

1120
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,680
then it can kind of taper off. I think

1121
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,240
will like a was a 1.1 last time I

1122
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:46,160
checked. Um, but yeah, I think that

1123
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,400
number is very accurate that what we

1124
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,000
need.

1125
00:46:50,000 --> 00:47:02,069
So

1126
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:04,160
» do we have any other questions for

1127
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,990
police chief?

1128
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,280
» Okay, thank you.

1129
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:10,240
>> Okay, be

1130
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:12,319
>> before we go to the next You're good.

1131
00:47:12,319 --> 00:47:14,079
Before we go to the next department, I

1132
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:18,000
just got a big just 30,000 foot view

1133
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,720
question in regards to to the revenue

1134
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:21,280
side.

1135
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:21,599
>> Okay.

1136
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:24,880
>> Really the the top item um number five,

1137
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,119
what we're talking about here and what

1138
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:29,839
moves the needle for us and is property

1139
00:47:29,839 --> 00:47:35,040
taxes. So if our budget

1140
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:41,040
is in fiscal year 26 was 2,82,977

1141
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,760
and if our 2/ird the way through the

1142
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,160
year which is end of February is

1143
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,750
2,ion34171

1144
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,040
and you're saying that your anticipated

1145
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:54,800
amount that we gain from those property

1146
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,800
taxes is 3,51,257

1147
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,040
in column H.

1148
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,160
>> Okay. So,

1149
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:03,119
>> I'll explain.

1150
00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:04,000
>> Please do.

1151
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,359
>> This is a requirement in our

1152
00:48:07,359 --> 00:48:10,400
presentation from the state. So, as of

1153
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,960
February, these were our actuals and

1154
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,079
then we basically put in a formula based

1155
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:18,720
on what the actuals were in February to

1156
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:22,160
project what the year end would be. It's

1157
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,400
a flaw. It obviously doesn't work

1158
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,880
correctly because in circumstances like

1159
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,359
this, you know, the max that we could

1160
00:48:29,359 --> 00:48:31,440
get is 2,82,000.

1161
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,640
So, um, we're not going to exceed that

1162
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,200
to the 3 million. It works the same with

1163
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:38,800
our expenditures. There's a lot of

1164
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,599
one-time like membership fees that we

1165
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:44,319
pay like we gave to the Grantsville

1166
00:48:44,319 --> 00:48:45,680
socialable

1167
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,599
>> but we that's just a onetime thing but

1168
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:50,880
it's fully spent in January and then but

1169
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,240
it would project that we would continue

1170
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:53,680
spending at that rate for the rest of

1171
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:57,839
the year. So column H is somewhat

1172
00:48:57,839 --> 00:48:59,440
helpful but you have to take it with a

1173
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:00,400
grain of salt because

1174
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:01,839
>> just asking the question because

1175
00:49:01,839 --> 00:49:03,200
>> absolutely because it is

1176
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,119
>> half the shortfall is right there. I

1177
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:07,119
mean, if if that's the case,

1178
00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:09,280
>> so you're saying that

1179
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,720
>> from July 1, I mean, column G, let's

1180
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:13,760
just talk about that because that's

1181
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:14,559
actual, right?

1182
00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:15,280
>> Yep.

1183
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:21,430
>> Column G, we collected 2,34,17198

1184
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,680
and we're only anticipating truly

1185
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,440
um

1186
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,440
getting essentially less than 50,000

1187
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,920
more, right, to hit our our budget

1188
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,280
amount. So column H is really like you

1189
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:36,319
said it's a lot.

1190
00:49:36,319 --> 00:49:36,800
>> Yeah.

1191
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:37,920
>> Okay.

1192
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:42,720
>> Yeah. And to be sure like we have to um

1193
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:44,559
yeah we do put in the budgeted amount

1194
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:46,240
based on the certified tax rate that is

1195
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:49,680
provided but it does

1196
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,359
we have to budget based off of that

1197
00:49:51,359 --> 00:49:53,599
amount that's in the certified tax rate.

1198
00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:56,880
But collection isn't 100%. So there's

1199
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,480
people that end up doing deferrals.

1200
00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:59,839
There's people that don't pay property

1201
00:49:59,839 --> 00:50:03,280
taxes. There's people that pay later.

1202
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,920
So, we'll get that revenue collected in

1203
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,240
years down the line, you know, whether

1204
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:10,079
it sells at tax sale or it sells to a

1205
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:12,000
new purchaser and they pay the Jack

1206
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,680
taxes.

1207
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,240
So, but we do have to budget based off

1208
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:18,079
the amount provided the certified tax

1209
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:18,640
rate.

1210
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,400
>> Yeah. And you can kind of see that in

1211
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,040
fiscal year 25 when we budgeted and what

1212
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,720
we actually got was nearly $100,000. Not

1213
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:31,040
quite, but nearly $100,000 more than

1214
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,160
what we had budgeted.

1215
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:32,640
>> Yeah.

1216
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,319
>> So, we can collect more.

1217
00:50:34,319 --> 00:50:37,680
>> We can, but I could not project a budget

1218
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,480
that we would collect more.

1219
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,559
>> So, just one other question and just

1220
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:45,200
overall knowledgeable and on the same

1221
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,960
page. So, what do you attribute our

1222
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,680
ability to cover the budget in the past

1223
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,000
and what what because it seems like to

1224
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,839
me that and and not really looking to

1225
00:50:57,839 --> 00:51:00,400
and owning too much on the past, but how

1226
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,040
were we able to make it the last four or

1227
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:07,599
five years? I I truly think the pandemic

1228
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:09,680
I think COVID and the COVID relief funds

1229
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,640
that were provided were the saving grace

1230
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,119
for city

1231
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:18,559
>> and you being the financial officer. How

1232
00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:20,000
much money did we get? Because I don't

1233
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,760
think those of us on the council really

1234
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:22,160
know

1235
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,079
>> I have no idea that that number.

1236
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:26,160
>> Yeah. And I don't it was it's all been

1237
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:27,920
spent prior to when I started but I

1238
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,359
could get that information for you.

1239
00:51:29,359 --> 00:51:31,119
>> It would be really helpful to know

1240
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:35,440
>> Yeah. how much we received in the COVID

1241
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,920
relief fund and then how much have we

1242
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,359
been taking from that that excess over

1243
00:51:41,359 --> 00:51:46,160
the last five years to um to really

1244
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:47,520
supplement our budget.

1245
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:48,319
>> Yeah.

1246
00:51:48,319 --> 00:51:50,319
>> Because right now, according to what you

1247
00:51:50,319 --> 00:51:53,280
showed us um last Wednesday, I think we

1248
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,599
have

1249
00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:58,160
what was it $2 million in that fund

1250
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,200
that's in excess, right? for our fund

1251
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:01,520
balance.

1252
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:02,400
>> Yeah, our fund balance

1253
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:03,839
>> in 2.4 million roughly.

1254
00:52:03,839 --> 00:52:04,800
>> Okay.

1255
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,680
>> And and one thing to consider with that

1256
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:11,359
as well is it will likely go up a little

1257
00:52:11,359 --> 00:52:13,280
bit at the end of this fiscal year just

1258
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,599
because we're not going to have 100%

1259
00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:17,760
spending. So anything that's unspent in

1260
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,760
our general fund would go back into the

1261
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,640
balance. But it's

1262
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,640
I don't have a number for you for that.

1263
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,640
So it will probably go up slightly by

1264
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,640
the end of this fiscal year just because

1265
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,640
as we roll into fiscal year 27 and close

1266
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,760
out fiscal year 26 the unspent will go

1267
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:38,000
into that but it would be you know a

1268
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,640
small amount just that's unspent from

1269
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,319
expenditure alliance this year.

1270
00:52:44,319 --> 00:52:44,880
>> Thank you.

1271
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,400
>> What did you say that number was again

1272
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:47,599
as 2.8

1273
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:48,079
>> four

1274
00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:50,880
>> 2.4 and just so I know a lot of people

1275
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,720
are thinking $2.4 million we're fine we

1276
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:54,640
have $2.4 million. It sounds like a lot,

1277
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,240
but a city technically should probably

1278
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:57,920
have how much? I mean, is that good for

1279
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,200
a city or I mean, we've always been

1280
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:00,079
running behind

1281
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:01,680
>> by the state.

1282
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,760
>> Yeah. So, we are somewhat restricted by

1283
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,640
state code. We can't carry more than

1284
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,359
right now the max is 35%

1285
00:53:09,359 --> 00:53:13,119
um in our fund balance. Um

1286
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:15,440
>> and what does that 2.4 uh what's the

1287
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,359
percentage of that consist of?

1288
00:53:17,359 --> 00:53:18,880
>> Um I don't know.

1289
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:19,280
>> Okay.

1290
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:20,640
>> We could find out. It's not

1291
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,400
straightforward. Typically, they just

1292
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,000
calculate it at the end of your fiscal

1293
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,599
year just because it's constantly

1294
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:27,440
moving. But it does consider things such

1295
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,240
as our assets and things that we have in

1296
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:34,240
equity. So, it's not a true like bank

1297
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:37,040
account of money that's available. So,

1298
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:38,720
you know, for our fund balance, we could

1299
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:41,680
have 13 million in there, but a lot of

1300
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,400
that is attributed to equity and assets,

1301
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,720
and then we have 2.4 million in like

1302
00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:51,359
available cash. So, it's not

1303
00:53:51,359 --> 00:53:55,599
Yeah, but they there is legislature talk

1304
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:59,280
of capping cities at a 25% fund balance

1305
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,319
maximum. So that could change. Um and

1306
00:54:02,319 --> 00:54:04,720
then there's also talk about capping

1307
00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:06,160
cities and it's gone to the legislature

1308
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:07,839
the last two years of capping them at

1309
00:54:07,839 --> 00:54:09,040
the amount that they can increase

1310
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,680
property taxes. They want to limit it to

1311
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,160
five% was the amount that was presented

1312
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:15,280
last year.

1313
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:15,680
>> So [clears throat]

1314
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,559
>> So our 84% would be no go if that was in

1315
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:18,880
place.

1316
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,800
>> That's correct. And so that is one thing

1317
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,800
to consider is if it does go back and

1318
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,960
passes next year, depending on what we

1319
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,319
do and what is decided this year, um it

1320
00:54:28,319 --> 00:54:32,960
could potentially stifle it vote for

1321
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:40,267
a while.

1322
00:54:40,277 --> 00:54:48,390
[clears throat]

1323
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,079
Is there anyone specific that you want

1324
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:53,680
to talk to next or get to his house?

1325
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:55,997
>> We take volunteers.

1326
00:54:55,997 --> 00:54:56,319
[clears throat]

1327
00:54:56,319 --> 00:54:57,040
>> I'll do.

1328
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,800
>> Okay.

1329
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:07,270
Which one do you want?

1330
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:21,430
Okay.

1331
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,240
» Was there anything specific on parks um

1332
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:26,880
you wanted to review?

1333
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,440
Again, as Aspen said, I do have that

1334
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,040
unemployment

1335
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:40,630
106415

1336
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,400
your salaries and wages. That's a 3%

1337
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:43,920
increase for your all of the employees

1338
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,760
in parks. Is that what we have at

1339
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,839
>> plus a new employee, right? To take care

1340
00:55:47,839 --> 00:55:48,240
of

1341
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:50,720
>> partial it

1342
00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:52,983
would not be for the full year purposely

1343
00:55:52,983 --> 00:55:55,359
[clears throat] but it was included for

1344
00:55:55,359 --> 00:55:59,839
part of a new employee to bring on for

1345
00:55:59,839 --> 00:56:01,280
>> the senior slopes. Yeah.

1346
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,839
>> Oh, that's a full-time or part time. Um

1347
00:56:03,839 --> 00:56:05,520
well based on the property tax and pack

1348
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,200
schedule it's only 32,000 so that would

1349
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,440
be hard.

1350
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,200
>> And how many employees does this include

1351
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:12,880
Christie? How many are allocated to

1352
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,000
parks?

1353
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,880
>> Well she wrote there six right now I

1354
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,520
have three park employees

1355
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,000
one part-time employee and one part-time

1356
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:26,789
facility maintenance.

1357
00:56:26,799 --> 00:56:29,119
So facility maintenance is in the parks

1358
00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:31,440
and wreck

1359
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,040
budget.

1360
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,870
>> No, I don't believe so.

1361
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,799
» He probably is spread out across a

1362
00:56:38,799 --> 00:56:39,760
couple budgets.

1363
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:40,960
>> Yeah, he pulls from

1364
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,079
>> Oh, okay. That makes sense.

1365
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:43,599
>> A lot of a lot of our employees are not

1366
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:45,440
paid out of a single budget like

1367
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:46,000
>> Right.

1368
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,480
>> Um I I'll clarify that.

1369
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:49,760
>> No, that makes sense. Okay.

1370
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:50,640
>> While you guys

1371
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,040
>> Yeah,

1372
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:54,559
>> I assume that's where you came up with

1373
00:56:54,559 --> 00:56:58,400
those six because they report to Colton

1374
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:21,910
>> probably.

1375
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,160
your part supply and equipment. A lot of

1376
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,280
that again is now fertilizer. We did buy

1377
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,440
spray equipment so we can spray this

1378
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,680
next time. It is fertilizer. It's

1379
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,520
sprinklers. It is repair. Every time we

1380
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:39,680
get vandalism, it's it goes fast.

1381
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:48,390
>> Yes.

1382
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,040
Well, and you've spent 34,000 through

1383
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:52,640
February. You got four more months

1384
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:53,760
there. You're

1385
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,240
>> I'm I'm already over.

1386
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:57,119
>> Yeah, I am.

1387
00:57:57,119 --> 00:57:58,960
>> I'm over budget in both parks and

1388
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,200
cemetery right now

1389
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:01,760
>> for their parks.

1390
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,440
>> Cemetery looks great, by the way.

1391
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:04,000
>> Thank you.

1392
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,280
>> I I went there yesterday and looks

1393
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:11,680
fabulous. It's on track. So,

1394
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,359
Just a shout out to that. I also

1395
00:58:13,359 --> 00:58:15,520
received a text from a citizen stating

1396
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,280
that same thing that it looked great.

1397
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:18,960
So, thank you.

1398
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:20,799
>> It was fun. I called them in and I was

1399
00:58:20,799 --> 00:58:22,240
going to chew them out for something was

1400
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:23,680
what they thought and then I shared that

1401
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:24,640
text with them. So,

1402
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,799
>> good [laughter]

1403
00:58:26,799 --> 00:58:27,119
job.

1404
00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:29,599
>> Chew them out.

1405
00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:31,359
>> Said, "Okay, we have got two." And then

1406
00:58:31,359 --> 00:58:32,819
I told them. So, that was fun.

1407
00:58:32,819 --> 00:58:34,480
[laughter]

1408
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,079
Christy, not that you would know this

1409
00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:37,119
right out the

1410
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:40,720
>> the gate here, but just curious

1411
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,559
those expenditures,

1412
00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:45,280
what portion of that would be attributed

1413
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:50,640
to the Cherry the park on Cherry Street?

1414
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:54,160
>> I'm going with this probably [laughter]

1415
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,640
>> that that's hard to say. Um again,

1416
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,000
Cherry Street does get our most

1417
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,040
vandalism. I will say that. Um, you

1418
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,040
know, we've had extreme vandalism in

1419
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,920
there before and then thankfully not as

1420
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,480
bad this year. Um, but again,

1421
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:12,880
sprinklers, valves, um, upkeep,

1422
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,680
>> portable restrooms,

1423
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,559
but portable restrooms comes out of um,

1424
00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:23,520
33 right there. 106433 has its own line.

1425
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:27,200
But um

1426
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,720
you know it just

1427
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,960
we've been putting a lot of money or try

1428
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,640
to in fix Scott Beavenon Park also. So

1429
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,160
there's been money that went into that

1430
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,581
this last year in the concrete

1431
00:59:41,581 --> 00:59:41,599
[snorts]

1432
00:59:41,599 --> 00:59:45,680
>> that needs a sign people pass it signage

1433
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:51,270
out.

1434
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,040
It bought some picnic tables that are at

1435
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:54,799
Cherry Street and Hollywood this last

1436
00:59:54,799 --> 01:00:05,910
year.

1437
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,400
And I guess we're seeing slopes that

1438
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,640
probably should go up.

1439
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:11,760
But I guess we have the one year

1440
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:13,599
maintenance on that for the grass and

1441
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:15,280
stuff. But if there's any vandalism up

1442
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:19,760
there, that'll be in that budget plan.

1443
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,040
Police department will take care of

1444
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:26,470
that. [laughter]

1445
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,799
It's a good neighborhood.

1446
01:00:28,799 --> 01:00:30,079
>> Any other questions or you want to go to

1447
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:31,440
the next one?

1448
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:32,319
>> Let's go to the next one.

1449
01:00:32,319 --> 01:00:32,960
>> Okay.

1450
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,200
>> Yeah, cuz I'm not seeing anything there.

1451
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:35,760
>> No,

1452
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,567
>> there's $24. I was questioning.

1453
01:00:38,567 --> 01:00:39,520
[laughter]

1454
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,480
>> Cemetery is similar. Again, like I said,

1455
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,480
I'm I'm over budget on our part, supply,

1456
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:48,559
and equipment already right now. Um,

1457
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:52,000
>> so the the employee, you don't see any

1458
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,000
employees there. She had them listed in

1459
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,520
the parks, but it is they're all

1460
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:00,079
connected. Our water expense for both

1461
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:02,079
places, we have to pay oursel for our

1462
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:04,640
water, even though it's culinary water.

1463
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,799
So, we we meter and keep track and pay

1464
01:01:06,799 --> 01:01:08,880
ourselves for that. That $1,000 for the

1465
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,200
North Cemetery is what we baded. excuse

1466
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,000
me, budgeted for the year before that we

1467
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,359
were going to expand it and then we

1468
01:01:15,359 --> 01:01:16,799
said, "Wait, maybe we don't need to

1469
01:01:16,799 --> 01:01:18,480
expand quite yet. Let's widen the

1470
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:20,799
roads." And we just haven't got to it.

1471
01:01:20,799 --> 01:01:22,880
So, we're just asking that we roll that

1472
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,119
over again and still hope to expand

1473
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:27,692
widen those roads in the cemetery.

1474
01:01:27,692 --> 01:01:28,000
[clears throat]

1475
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,280
>> So, that has not been that has not been

1476
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:31,839
spent.

1477
01:01:31,839 --> 01:01:33,520
>> No, the only part that's been spent is

1478
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,680
about $8,000 for that rubber

1479
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,720
underllayment of the the fence. That's

1480
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,792
three quarter complete.

1481
01:01:40,792 --> 01:01:42,079
>> [clears throat]

1482
01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:43,920
>> And did that come out of that line by an

1483
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:45,440
item?

1484
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,520
>> Yeah. I don't know why we don't see it,

1485
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,040
but it's

1486
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:50,559
>> It might have not been when I pulled

1487
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:51,200
this.

1488
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:52,160
>> Yeah.

1489
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:52,640
>> Okay.

1490
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:59,190
>> It's It's a recent purchase.

1491
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,839
» Yeah, that line item is now has

1492
01:02:01,839 --> 01:02:06,069
90,852.74

1493
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:08,160
in it. We're lock We're talking about

1494
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,079
106682.

1495
01:02:10,079 --> 01:02:10,400
>> Yeah.

1496
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:11,119
>> Yes. Okay.

1497
01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:14,720
>> So, yeah, we had spent $9,15726

1498
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:20,789
out of that line. Right now,

1499
01:02:20,799 --> 01:02:22,720
» we have about 90 grand left.

1500
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,480
>> Yeah.

1501
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,119
>> Are we looking to you

1502
01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:34,710
looking use our group to do Okay. Yes.

1503
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:38,630
Next one.

1504
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:42,400
Okay. So, we also have streets, class C.

1505
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,680
I have garbage or we can go to water or

1506
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,760
sewer. So,

1507
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:51,040
>> this is back to Jeopardy. [laughter]

1508
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:51,920
>> We'll take streets.

1509
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:53,920
>> We'll take street.

1510
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,880
>> It's kind of a lot of lines. So, again,

1511
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,440
streets. Right now, we have five

1512
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,720
full-time. We have one opening position.

1513
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:10,150
Um, also help Um,

1514
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,799
we did decrease the light repair. We had

1515
01:03:12,799 --> 01:03:15,520
10,000 in it. We said, "Let's roll the

1516
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:19,119
dice and go with 5,000." Um, anytime we

1517
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:21,599
have to repair a street light, it's

1518
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:24,240
typically around $2,000.

1519
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:27,200
We don't have the expertise to do that

1520
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,039
right now. If it's just a bulb, we can

1521
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:32,400
change a bulb, but if it's more, then we

1522
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,319
hire that out.

1523
01:03:34,319 --> 01:03:37,200
um

1524
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,200
your parts, supply and equipment. That

1525
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,720
30,000 that's actually low. That will

1526
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,400
cover us as long as we don't have a lot

1527
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,160
of snow and don't need to buy a lot of

1528
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:50,880
salt. So again, we'll we'll hope that it

1529
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:52,720
snows in the mountains and rains in the

1530
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:55,119
valleys. So

1531
01:03:55,119 --> 01:03:59,039
you can see in 25 our actual was double

1532
01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:04,789
that.

1533
01:04:04,799 --> 01:04:08,079
So that's risky really to

1534
01:04:08,079 --> 01:04:11,430
>> Yeah, that's

1535
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:15,750
half.

1536
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:16,640
» So go ahead.

1537
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,640
>> One of the biggest items I mean really

1538
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,359
that jumps out is just at the top the

1539
01:04:21,359 --> 01:04:27,039
salary and wages and if we could just talk about that in general it just

1540
01:04:27,039 --> 01:04:31,599
says corrected on the notes. So 1060-11

1541
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:34,079
So the the fiscal year 26 budget was

1542
01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:36,880
152,000 and this year's budget is

1543
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,839
$100,000 more. So just go into a little

1544
01:04:39,839 --> 01:04:41,520
detail and explain that the reasoning

1545
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:44,400
behind that. It it's not just the cola

1546
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:45,280
increase. So

1547
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,119
>> correct we do have Ben budgeted in that

1548
01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:49,280
line item now whereas previously he was

1549
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,680
not one we didn't have a Ben and two he

1550
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:53,920
wasn't budgeted to be streets.

1551
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:55,599
>> So that's something that that's an

1552
01:04:55,599 --> 01:04:56,880
adjustment that we've made internally

1553
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,839
between Christy and payroll and HR. So a

1554
01:04:59,839 --> 01:05:02,000
portion of his wages is reflected right

1555
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:03,039
here. Yes. All of it.

1556
01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:04,799
>> All of that's [clears throat] all of Ben

1557
01:05:04,799 --> 01:05:07,039
is paid out of streets. Ben is 100%

1558
01:05:07,039 --> 01:05:09,119
streets. With that, we do have the

1559
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:12,480
caveat that um throughout the year as

1560
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,480
Ben does projects, we can reimburse

1561
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,640
streets from the class C road funds as

1562
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,520
we had discussed previously, but we do

1563
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,400
have to cover him from somewhere first.

1564
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:23,599
So that's where he's budget.

1565
01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:25,359
>> So he could pay for himself, correct? To

1566
01:05:25,359 --> 01:05:27,760
a certain extent, right? And his crews

1567
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:29,119
as well.

1568
01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:30,960
So that is I mean I understand we need

1569
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:32,000
to

1570
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:33,440
>> need to have the budget and we need to

1571
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:34,640
have the number there

1572
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:37,200
>> but there there could be could be some

1573
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:38,240
swing there. So

1574
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:41,119
>> based on the road he's he's working on.

1575
01:05:41,119 --> 01:05:41,680
>> Yeah.

1576
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,640
And so again that's our intent and

1577
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,880
our hope right now. Our road crew has

1578
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,280
been doing scenic slopes for Z golf and

1579
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:51,760
then they've spent a lot of time right

1580
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:53,520
now on the rodeo grounds preparing them

1581
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,760
for the rodeo. the last two days they've

1582
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:57,839
been hauling a lot of we've been getting

1583
01:05:57,839 --> 01:05:59,760
some free roto millings from UD doat and

1584
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,880
we're you know stockpiling piling them.

1585
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:03,760
>> Yeah, I saw

1586
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,240
>> and so that you know [snorts] in hopes

1587
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,960
that saves us from buying material

1588
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:10,720
later.

1589
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:11,760
>> Well, that's why we have to do a

1590
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,079
reimbursement just because class C road

1591
01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:17,200
money is so restricted. We have to be

1592
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,280
very careful of what was work was being

1593
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,440
done and then kind of like pay ourselves

1594
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,440
back out of class C. It wouldn't just

1595
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:35,270
apply to him generally speaking.

1596
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,240
» Any other questions?

1597
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:41,520
>> And then we'll go down to um water,

1598
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:42,480
sewer, and

1599
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:44,400
>> we didn't did we look class C? We didn't

1600
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,079
talk about class C funds.

1601
01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:46,559
>> Sorry.

1602
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:48,880
>> Yeah, that's the enterprise fund, but

1603
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:49,599
>> yeah, sort of.

1604
01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:50,880
>> Let's just look at that real quick.

1605
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:54,400
>> Yeah. So this amount I do want to So

1606
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:55,839
this is what you guys had approved just

1607
01:06:55,839 --> 01:06:57,520
recently for Ben to spend on his

1608
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,599
equipment. So this is where we're at

1609
01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:01,200
right now with [clears throat] that.

1610
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,400
I'll keep adjusting this down as like we

1611
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,160
get closer. But that will just be what

1612
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,960
carries over into being spent from that

1613
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,760
approval in next fiscal year. But that's

1614
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,400
that line item specifically. And then

1615
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,039
obviously the rest

1616
01:07:17,039 --> 01:07:20,630
can ask.

1617
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:22,880
And I mean we we just approved this, but

1618
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:24,880
all that money has to be used and

1619
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:26,799
designated for class C roads.

1620
01:07:26,799 --> 01:07:27,039
>> Yes.

1621
01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:28,079
>> For that equipment.

1622
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:29,760
>> That's correct.

1623
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:31,760
>> Then what we don't what we can save in

1624
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:33,200
that we're going to put toward road

1625
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,359
projects actually start preparing.

1626
01:07:35,359 --> 01:07:37,440
>> Then I can buy the oil, the chip sill,

1627
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:39,839
the crack sill, the mastic,

1628
01:07:39,839 --> 01:07:41,280
>> all the product.

1629
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:42,400
>> Yep.

1630
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:44,319
>> Then we do have the million dollars

1631
01:07:44,319 --> 01:07:46,160
there budgeted for the projects to

1632
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:48,640
continue on to do all those projects for

1633
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:50,480
next year in the roads.

1634
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,200
Have we ever done road maintenance?

1635
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:54,480
>> No, we've always hired it out.

1636
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:56,799
>> Hired it out 100%.

1637
01:07:56,799 --> 01:07:59,359
>> When was the last time we did some road

1638
01:07:59,359 --> 01:08:00,000
maintenance?

1639
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,839
>> Well, every year we've hired some out.

1640
01:08:01,839 --> 01:08:03,200
Every year we've hired some

1641
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:04,559
>> a certain amount every year that we've

1642
01:08:04,559 --> 01:08:07,829
attacked.

1643
01:08:07,839 --> 01:08:10,400
» But hopefully, again, our intent is to

1644
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,280
be able to do more now with this crew.

1645
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:13,680
Yeah.

1646
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,159
>> Be able to do more product with an

1647
01:08:16,159 --> 01:08:23,189
in-house group.

1648
01:08:23,199 --> 01:08:25,679
So adjusting that outlay really doesn't

1649
01:08:25,679 --> 01:08:26,719
help us

1650
01:08:26,719 --> 01:08:30,000
>> that 2,797,810

1651
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,319
>> by just more road product bas. But

1652
01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:33,920
adjusting that down doesn't

1653
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:34,319
>> no

1654
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:35,839
>> doesn't necessarily affect the overall

1655
01:08:35,839 --> 01:08:37,759
budget because that money goes back

1656
01:08:37,759 --> 01:08:40,159
>> because it can only be in class C.

1657
01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:42,480
>> I understand just want to make sure that

1658
01:08:42,480 --> 01:08:44,159
>> we're all on the same page that it can't

1659
01:08:44,159 --> 01:08:46,880
be moved and reallocated somewhere else.

1660
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:48,239
>> Yeah, absolutely. And it's a great point

1661
01:08:48,239 --> 01:08:50,400
of clarification. Absolutely. But yes,

1662
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,480
you're that's the correct understanding.

1663
01:08:52,480 --> 01:08:54,400
>> But the cheaper that equipment is, the

1664
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:57,199
more roadway we get to fix.

1665
01:08:57,199 --> 01:08:58,799
>> That's great.

1666
01:08:58,799 --> 01:09:00,799
>> And potentially the more money we get to

1667
01:09:00,799 --> 01:09:02,560
use to help pay for his wage.

1668
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:03,600
>> Correct.

1669
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,120
>> Which would affect the line item up

1670
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:06,799
above streets.

1671
01:09:06,799 --> 01:09:08,400
>> So in a roundabout sort of way,

1672
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:08,880
>> it can

1673
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,600
>> in a roundabout sort of way.

1674
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:12,799
>> We can affect [snorts] that number up

1675
01:09:12,799 --> 01:09:14,319
above.

1676
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:16,319
>> Just got to start on class C roads

1677
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:18,239
first.

1678
01:09:18,239 --> 01:09:19,279
only do class.

1679
01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:20,960
>> So I guess going back to that number

1680
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:22,799
>> all roads are class C roads.

1681
01:09:22,799 --> 01:09:24,159
>> Sorry, everybody else driving.

1682
01:09:24,159 --> 01:09:26,239
>> Could we move that number? Can we move

1683
01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:28,080
that number down at all? I mean I've got

1684
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:29,520
it I've got it noted.

1685
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:31,120
>> So I mean we can we can talk about

1686
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:33,839
there's 100k there and could we could we

1687
01:09:33,839 --> 01:09:37,120
note that and say that you know some of

1688
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:40,719
this class C road fund outlay is going

1689
01:09:40,719 --> 01:09:42,080
to go back to the projects and we're

1690
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:43,920
going to pay ourselves for it and that

1691
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,159
could affect that. It could I think my

1692
01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:49,520
biggest hesitation would be um if it

1693
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:51,839
doesn't work out that way. So and we

1694
01:09:51,839 --> 01:09:54,080
don't this is our first year having

1695
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:55,520
right and so it's really hard to say

1696
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:57,120
like I couldn't go back like yeah so

1697
01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:59,920
every year you know we're able to use

1698
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:01,920
the class road funds to pay back then so

1699
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:05,920
we can budget this amount to be less. Um

1700
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,560
it would just

1701
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,440
I would be hesitant to reduce that just

1702
01:10:11,440 --> 01:10:13,920
because we do need budget to pay for our

1703
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:15,600
employee.

1704
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,480
>> Okay. Well, note it. And

1705
01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:18,800
>> yeah,

1706
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:20,560
>> maybe we could tack a little little bit

1707
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:26,229
later in an hour or two. [laughter]

1708
01:10:26,239 --> 01:10:28,080
» The red wants to be here all night.

1709
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:29,760
>> No, I just I'm [laughter] trying to

1710
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:30,880
think outside the box,

1711
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:33,280
>> right? So I mean asking the right

1712
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:35,360
questions and understanding where the

1713
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:36,960
monies come from and how they can be

1714
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:39,120
reallocated is important.

1715
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:40,000
>> Yeah, absolutely.

1716
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:41,199
>> Oh, I also want to say Ben was very

1717
01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:42,880
knowledgeable when he did his it's nice

1718
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:44,239
having Ben to know somebody who has

1719
01:10:44,239 --> 01:10:45,920
roads experience. He seemed very

1720
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:47,679
knowledgeable. So it's my thought on

1721
01:10:47,679 --> 01:10:48,320
that. So

1722
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:50,800
>> So we get an increased amount of class C

1723
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:52,880
road money based on the miles of roads

1724
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:54,320
that we have in the city. Right.

1725
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,080
Correct. So as far as this year, will

1726
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,159
there be an increase in the amount of

1727
01:10:58,159 --> 01:11:00,400
revenue we receive in class C roads?

1728
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:01,840
Have we built enough roads that we'll

1729
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:02,560
make any type of

1730
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:04,000
>> I added three miles. So,

1731
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:04,719
>> three miles.

1732
01:11:04,719 --> 01:11:06,480
>> It won't add that much, but okay.

1733
01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:07,520
>> We submitted it.

1734
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,280
>> Okay.

1735
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,304
>> It'll add up eventually. Yeah.

1736
01:11:11,304 --> 01:11:16,229
[laughter]

1737
01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:18,960
» Okay. You want to go to garbage

1738
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,520
or sewer water, whichever comes up.

1739
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:25,120
>> So, I think water's first. Um

1740
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,840
water. this just obviously I think it's

1741
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:29,440
worth looking at the budget but just

1742
01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:31,440
keep in mind it is an enterprise fund so

1743
01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:35,360
it is not impacted or impact shy taxes

1744
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:39,360
so it's its own fund based on the income

1745
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:43,199
that we receive from water so it is its

1746
01:11:43,199 --> 01:11:46,080
own budget but

1747
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:51,040
>> so I have four people three and one that

1748
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,120
you can see back up to those wages

1749
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:55,600
that's obviously covers more than four

1750
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:57,840
people. And so it's our water fund and

1751
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,239
our sewer fund that helps supply some of

1752
01:12:00,239 --> 01:12:03,679
the other employees be it streets and

1753
01:12:03,679 --> 01:12:07,920
parks. So

1754
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:10,159
>> So what you're saying is is that some of

1755
01:12:10,159 --> 01:12:11,600
the individuals paid out of this fund

1756
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,320
are also assisting and helping in other

1757
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:15,600
>> in other areas in park center.

1758
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:18,000
>> Yeah. It flexes like my salary, Aspen

1759
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:19,520
sorry comes out of there as well as

1760
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:22,640
Tyson's we do split into the enterprise

1761
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:24,960
funds. So it helps diversify

1762
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:25,920
>> Yeah.

1763
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:27,920
>> staff salary that has to do with those

1764
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:28,640
kind of departments.

1765
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:30,880
>> Yeah. So like we're not paid 100% from

1766
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:32,560
the general fund.

1767
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:36,320
>> So we do come out of funds.

1768
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:40,080
>> A good portion comes out of these funds

1769
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:41,199
respectively.

1770
01:12:41,199 --> 01:12:42,000
>> Yes.

1771
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:46,870
Proportionately.

1772
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,760
» Um their asphalt repair we have there at

1773
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:54,320
60,000. Again, it's not um

1774
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:57,840
impacted by a tax increase, but we have

1775
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:00,960
a lot of a lot of water leaks. Um with

1776
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,760
having Ben's crew do it, potentially

1777
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:07,760
that could be less, but um I mean, I had

1778
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:10,480
three calls over the weekend, so had

1779
01:13:10,480 --> 01:13:11,840
three different water leaks this

1780
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,000
weekend. Um [clears throat]

1781
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,000
we have

1782
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:17,840
the

1783
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:21,520
water meters. Um, as you have new builds

1784
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:24,400
and repairs, we haven't spent that much

1785
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:26,320
this year. The building has slowed down,

1786
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,960
but with the development that's on

1787
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:33,920
Shel's and Bill's table, it's coming.

1788
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:35,520
So, we're going to be spending that in

1789
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:39,440
meters. Um,

1790
01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:41,440
our parts, supply, and equipment. I know

1791
01:13:41,440 --> 01:13:44,320
that seems high, but I just did a PO for

1792
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:47,440
one PRV. That's $10,000. you know,

1793
01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:49,520
connections for all these water parts.

1794
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:52,640
Every Instatite is about $30 each. Brass

1795
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:55,280
has gone up exponentially. Every hydrant

1796
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:57,199
you have to replace is just under

1797
01:13:57,199 --> 01:13:58,880
$10,000.

1798
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:02,400
So, it goes fast if you have to make the

1799
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:04,640
repairs.

1800
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:06,560
Of course, if we don't, just like this

1801
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:08,560
year, we're not we'll most likely not

1802
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:13,120
spend it all and it will roll over and

1803
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:15,361
I don't spend it because it's there.

1804
01:14:15,361 --> 01:14:16,239
>> [clears throat]

1805
01:14:16,239 --> 01:14:18,320
>> Thank you.

1806
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:19,840
>> Sorry, Christie had a question on the

1807
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:21,760
water meters. Like when we get revenue

1808
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:25,120
back specifically, like I'm assuming,

1809
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:27,600
you know, you have a developer comes in,

1810
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:29,600
they come in, pick up a water meter, and

1811
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,239
then we're charging them for the use of

1812
01:14:32,239 --> 01:14:34,719
that water. Where does that money come

1813
01:14:34,719 --> 01:14:36,640
back into

1814
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,440
in the budget?

1815
01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:42,480
So those there's only 22 hydrant meters

1816
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:45,199
that we rent out if that's what you

1817
01:14:45,199 --> 01:14:47,520
mean. So a developer on their individual

1818
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,400
homes, we put the individual meters in.

1819
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:51,920
But you mean the hydrant meters. Where

1820
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:53,360
does that money come back into?

1821
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:55,679
>> They're using water to pack the road

1822
01:14:55,679 --> 01:14:57,760
down or something.

1823
01:14:57,760 --> 01:14:59,199
>> They're drawing that water from a

1824
01:14:59,199 --> 01:15:00,000
hydrant.

1825
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,440
>> They should have they should be doing it

1826
01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:03,520
with a meter and it should be

1827
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:04,880
>> calculating how much.

1828
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:06,320
>> Where does that come back into spend?

1829
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:08,239
Just their general fund, right? was our

1830
01:15:08,239 --> 01:15:10,480
process for that? Cuz I've I the reason

1831
01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:11,920
I'm asking is I've been in multiple

1832
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,239
cities and

1833
01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:17,760
>> I've seen anywhere from $2,000 to

1834
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:18,960
$10,000.

1835
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:20,560
>> They put a deposit down to use the

1836
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:23,600
meter, but then it's 6,000. It's $6 per

1837
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:27,840
thousand gallons is what we charge. So

1838
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:30,080
>> yeah, 22 24

1839
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:31,440
>> I believe it was 22

1840
01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:33,600
>> meters out right now.

1841
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:35,679
>> So and then they also fill up at the

1842
01:15:35,679 --> 01:15:38,880
stand pipe. Would you charge them a fee

1843
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:42,000
every month on top of the usage that

1844
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:42,400
they

1845
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,640
>> like a rental fee? Helps buy it helps

1846
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:48,080
buy new meters essentially. Yeah. Okay.

1847
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:49,920
But the revenue we receive from that is

1848
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:53,520
it just go to the overall

1849
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:54,880
>> I don't believe so. I

1850
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:56,560
>> revenue fund [snorts]

1851
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:58,560
>> um

1852
01:15:58,560 --> 01:15:59,600
this one

1853
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:01,920
>> I can verify because then this metered

1854
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,239
water sales is like our

1855
01:16:04,239 --> 01:16:06,960
>> utilities. Right. But we do have water

1856
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:10,239
meter. I don't know.

1857
01:16:10,239 --> 01:16:12,480
I'll have to look once I can get onto

1858
01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:15,040
the other side just to verify. But I

1859
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:16,719
will verify and get you guys a number

1860
01:16:16,719 --> 01:16:18,480
for where that revenue comes in because

1861
01:16:18,480 --> 01:16:21,600
we do charge for the usage based on from

1862
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:24,960
the rental of the hydraator.

1863
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:28,480
>> I mean really for our purposes here the

1864
01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:31,040
water fund is kind of its standalone

1865
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,120
business. business really what we're

1866
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,520
looking at in the budget is what this is

1867
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:37,600
irrelevant property taxes

1868
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:39,280
>> that that this doesn't affect that at

1869
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:41,600
all get any money from that because it's

1870
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:44,080
stand alone because it balanced out

1871
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,000
>> so this is not something we should

1872
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:46,800
tackle

1873
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:47,360
>> okay

1874
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:48,480
>> or sewer

1875
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:51,679
>> well sewer is the same sewer and garbage

1876
01:16:51,679 --> 01:16:52,640
are the same

1877
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:54,640
>> the only difference in this year that

1878
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:56,640
this I mean we could take note right now

1879
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:58,480
is that once you get the water credit

1880
01:16:58,480 --> 01:17:00,400
funds it'll come into the water fund and

1881
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:01,840
then you'll have to transfer out of here

1882
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:04,320
to the general fun

1883
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:06,800
>> which we do have I have it in here to

1884
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:08,800
come into the capital projects fun here

1885
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:11,360
because that's what I right we can

1886
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:13,040
adjust that and we can adjust that as

1887
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,920
you guys see that excuse me as it does

1888
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:17,600
for the general fund but you are correct

1889
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,840
so water fund sewer fund and garbage

1890
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:21,199
fund are all their own so they won't

1891
01:17:21,199 --> 01:17:23,440
adjust property tax but it is here

1892
01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:25,440
obviously if you guys have notes I don't

1893
01:17:25,440 --> 01:17:26,159
want to

1894
01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:27,679
>> and you would still have to approve it

1895
01:17:27,679 --> 01:17:28,960
as part of the budget

1896
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,199
>> but yeah but we obviously don't have

1897
01:17:31,199 --> 01:17:32,880
spend time on it tonight. If you guys

1898
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,120
had other issues, we could you could

1899
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:36,960
email us that we could address about

1900
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:38,239
these funds,

1901
01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:40,480
>> which is a great idea.

1902
01:17:40,480 --> 01:17:41,840
>> These don't these don't move the needle

1903
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:42,719
for

1904
01:17:42,719 --> 01:17:46,719
>> they don't sewer water sewer.

1905
01:17:46,719 --> 01:17:47,520
>> Yep.

1906
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:48,640
>> Because they're all enterprise

1907
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:50,400
>> except for the salaries kind is spread

1908
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:53,120
across kind of the idea. But they're

1909
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,280
proportional to

1910
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,760
what time usage they have. You can't put

1911
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:00,239
like all my entire salary the one kind

1912
01:18:00,239 --> 01:18:02,159
of thing that we get audited and so

1913
01:18:02,159 --> 01:18:04,400
based on the audits we we've tried to

1914
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:07,520
maximize the diversification of our uh

1915
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:09,520
administrative staff spot through the

1916
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:13,990
different enterprise spots.

1917
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:15,600
» Obviously to help save money on the

1918
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:16,719
general fun

1919
01:18:16,719 --> 01:18:19,120
>> yeah that's that's perfectly understand.

1920
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:20,719
>> Yeah.

1921
01:18:20,719 --> 01:18:27,110
>> Thanks Christie. Any new volunteers?

1922
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:28,640
I don't know where we landed today

1923
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:31,440
because I didn't get to see it.

1924
01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:38,950
>> So, let's see.

1925
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:42,480
» Where can I cut?

1926
01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:45,440
So,

1927
01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:49,030
let's see.

1928
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:50,800
I guess what questions do you have in

1929
01:18:50,800 --> 01:19:04,870
there? Then we'll go there.

1930
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:05,120
and

1931
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:06,880
>> so I'm sorry. For salary and wages, how

1932
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:08,719
many how many employees is that under

1933
01:19:08,719 --> 01:19:09,760
salary and wages?

1934
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:11,920
>> So that would be the three chiefs, the

1935
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:14,560
fire marshal, and the secretary.

1936
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:19,990
>> Oh, and that's all for mechanic.

1937
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:20,159
But

1938
01:19:20,159 --> 01:19:22,400
>> that's all for them. The

1939
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:24,880
>> stipen

1940
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:26,719
Call it part.

1941
01:19:26,719 --> 01:19:27,840
>> I wouldn't call it part.

1942
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:29,440
>> No. [laughter]

1943
01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:30,080
Full time.

1944
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:31,360
>> Full time with

1945
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:33,040
>> the penny perk.

1946
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:33,520
>> Yeah.

1947
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:35,520
>> Volunteer pat on the back.

1948
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:37,920
>> Yeah. 100 years.

1949
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:42,000
>> So proposed budget

1950
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:47,840
41 estimated 48. We dropped 7,000 there.

1951
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,560
Well, she said I mean you were 40,000

1952
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:54,320
last year and you've used 32,000

1953
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:57,040
in fiscal year 26. I don't know how that

1954
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:57,840
maths out.

1955
01:19:57,840 --> 01:19:59,440
>> Yeah, I don't know how that ms out

1956
01:19:59,440 --> 01:20:00,719
either because they're all the same.

1957
01:20:00,719 --> 01:20:03,360
They don't change stipens the month. So

1958
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:05,040
explain that aspen what you did on the

1959
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:07,040
salaries and wages for the fire.

1960
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:08,640
>> That's probably just 3% across the

1961
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:10,640
board. So if it doesn't apply to the

1962
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:12,719
fire then type things or because we do

1963
01:20:12,719 --> 01:20:14,719
pay chiefs. So [clears throat] that

1964
01:20:14,719 --> 01:20:17,040
would be a no no increase for chiefs

1965
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:17,760
then.

1966
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:18,960
>> No, I was just wondering because it's

1967
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:21,679
the number. So we're 32.

1968
01:20:21,679 --> 01:20:25,040
We're at 48 is where it's projected.

1969
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:26,480
>> Oh yeah, I can tell you where it's at

1970
01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:28,719
right now to be more accurate.

1971
01:20:28,719 --> 01:20:31,920
>> That'd be great. I mean that one should

1972
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:35,520
be pretty easy to calculate.

1973
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:37,679
>> 111. So, actually right now it's at

1974
01:20:37,679 --> 01:20:40,560
$43,2195.

1975
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:42,800
So, it's gone over the budget by $3,000,

1976
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:45,120
but it hasn't reached that 48,000 this

1977
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,040
time.

1978
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:48,880
>> But we still have two more months,

1979
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:51,679
>> correct?

1980
01:20:51,679 --> 01:20:52,800
>> That's probably through the end of

1981
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:56,000
April, right?

1982
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,880
>> Yeah, that's as of today.

1983
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:05,189
So,

1984
01:21:05,199 --> 01:21:07,520
» vehicle maintenance is so that that

1985
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:08,800
number actually should go up.

1986
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:09,120
>> Yeah.

1987
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:10,800
>> I'm just I'm just telling you

1988
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:11,840
>> just reality.

1989
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:14,480
>> Yeah. What's what's real? So, let's

1990
01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:15,920
>> I'll just make a note and I can pull

1991
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:17,760
those.

1992
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:27,510
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1993
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,440
» Let's see. vehicle maintenance that line

1994
01:21:29,440 --> 01:21:32,960
item is low. I have not moved the ladder

1995
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:35,760
truck this year.

1996
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:37,440
>> I have not dumped any money into the

1997
01:21:37,440 --> 01:21:40,640
ladder truck this year.

1998
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:42,719
>> So, and we didn't have a big wildland

1999
01:21:42,719 --> 01:21:45,040
season last year. So, but anything we do

2000
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:46,960
break on a wildland call, the state does

2001
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:48,400
reimburse us.

2002
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:51,360
>> So, we're going to have

2003
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:53,120
>> this year is going to be ugly. And we

2004
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:55,360
have two new brush trucks, so that helps

2005
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:59,280
our vehicle maintenance.

2006
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:01,760
uh turnouts.

2007
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:05,679
Um I know we are over this year. That's

2008
01:22:05,679 --> 01:22:08,480
only five sets of turnouts coming in the

2009
01:22:08,480 --> 01:22:10,639
near future. We will have turnouts that

2010
01:22:10,639 --> 01:22:12,800
will be expiring every 10 years.

2011
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:14,800
>> Sorry. What's a turnout [laughter] your

2012
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:16,960
bunker gear? Your fire gear.

2013
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:18,400
>> I should know this.

2014
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,480
>> Gear. So they do expire every 10 years.

2015
01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:22,159
And we do have a list of people that are

2016
01:22:22,159 --> 01:22:24,560
coming up on that 10 year to get new

2017
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:27,920
turnouts. selling there about $5,000 a

2018
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:30,159
set. You mentioned that when we were

2019
01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:33,920
>> Yeah.

2020
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:35,760
>> Natural gas power. Can't do nothing with

2021
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:37,840
that is what it is. We try to keep the

2022
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:40,320
heaters as low as we can, the AC as high

2023
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:44,149
as we can.

2024
01:22:44,159 --> 01:22:46,000
Any questions? I guess [clears throat]

2025
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,719
the the rent payment

2026
01:22:48,719 --> 01:22:51,280
um for the fire station that 97 grand.

2027
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:54,159
Does that seem pretty accurate?

2028
01:22:54,159 --> 01:22:56,159
So, it's actually for this year it's

2029
01:22:56,159 --> 01:22:59,840
109. Um, and I can go actually grab my

2030
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:01,600
mind real fast if you want just so I

2031
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:03,600
have those available. It

2032
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:04,000
>> Oh,

2033
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:06,080
>> but it's just based on the loan amount

2034
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:08,159
that we're repaying for the payment for

2035
01:23:08,159 --> 01:23:10,560
the price. This is the one I I'm looking

2036
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:13,280
at Google I'm looking at Google Drive. I

2037
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:14,320
thought you were in Google Drive and

2038
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:15,840
you're updating it in real time, but

2039
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,320
>> Oh, apologies. Yeah, this one is the one

2040
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:20,080
that staff who we've been working on

2041
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,639
this since this morning. Okay.

2042
01:23:22,639 --> 01:23:25,679
But [snorts] um

2043
01:23:25,679 --> 01:23:28,719
>> yeah, keep it keep it there. Seems

2044
01:23:28,719 --> 01:23:31,990
pretty

2045
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,480
» equipment line items.

2046
01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:36,159
>> That does not include the new Jaws of

2047
01:23:36,159 --> 01:23:38,960
life, does it? That was 90 grand.

2048
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:41,120
>> Well, the 90 grand was for two sets.

2049
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:41,440
>> Yeah.

2050
01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:45,920
>> So, they're 45,000 a set. So, that was a

2051
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:48,239
>> two. We could

2052
01:23:48,239 --> 01:23:51,040
we would live with one. So,

2053
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:52,159
>> okay.

2054
01:23:52,159 --> 01:23:52,560
>> Bigger,

2055
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:54,400
>> but right now that's not in there in the

2056
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:55,600
>> none of it is. Yeah.

2057
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:57,199
>> So, what do we do if we can go? So, you

2058
01:23:57,199 --> 01:23:57,679
just get

2059
01:23:57,679 --> 01:23:59,679
>> We have hydraulic ones that are old

2060
01:23:59,679 --> 01:24:01,760
>> that leak oil that they got to put oil

2061
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:03,920
in it as they're trying to extricate the

2062
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:05,440
people out of their guards. They just

2063
01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:07,360
hang on there for a minute. Let me get

2064
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:07,920
some oil.

2065
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:09,040
>> This thing full of oil. That doesn't

2066
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:10,080
sound good.

2067
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:10,480
>> Yeah.

2068
01:24:10,480 --> 01:24:12,000
>> No, it really doesn't.

2069
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:13,440
>> And it's a liability.

2070
01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:14,880
>> If they start from bouncing around in

2071
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,120
the back of the trucks, they're fun.

2072
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:18,719
They're [clears throat] old. If council

2073
01:24:18,719 --> 01:24:21,360
wants, we could add that right now.

2074
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:22,719
>> I think we should.

2075
01:24:22,719 --> 01:24:24,400
>> How often? I mean, you find yourself

2076
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:26,080
needing those often?

2077
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:28,080
>> Uh,

2078
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:28,800
no.

2079
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:30,413
>> But it's better, I guess, to have it at

2080
01:24:30,413 --> 01:24:32,239
[laughter]

2081
01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:33,440
I shouldn't say often, but I mean,

2082
01:24:33,440 --> 01:24:36,400
>> yeah. So, it's not

2083
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:38,239
uh

2084
01:24:38,239 --> 01:24:39,840
probably two times a year, but if we get

2085
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:42,000
Mid Valley Highway, it's going to be

2086
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:42,719
more.

2087
01:24:42,719 --> 01:24:43,360
>> Yeah.

2088
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:44,168
>> Even [snorts] with this top

2089
01:24:44,168 --> 01:24:45,360
[clears throat] light.

2090
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:45,600
>> Yeah.

2091
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:47,679
>> I have a feeling.

2092
01:24:47,679 --> 01:24:49,120
They're out there once a week. Seems

2093
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:50,719
like once is

2094
01:24:50,719 --> 01:24:52,639
>> Are we attacking the grant avenue for

2095
01:24:52,639 --> 01:24:54,800
that too, Michael? Do you know like can

2096
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:56,400
we Is that something that's grant

2097
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:58,639
applicable? That type of equipment?

2098
01:24:58,639 --> 01:25:02,560
>> We believe we did apply for a grant for

2099
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:05,199
>> for extrication tools. Yes, we're

2100
01:25:05,199 --> 01:25:10,390
applying for every grant out there.

2101
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:11,040
» Alexis,

2102
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:13,600
>> yes, you are. Yes, Alexis. when you

2103
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:14,960
you've got that in there at the full

2104
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:18,960
amount for both. I mean, maybe let's

2105
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,440
>> I only added in 45,000.

2106
01:25:21,440 --> 01:25:22,800
>> Still those other

2107
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,760
>> just regular other expenses that were in

2108
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:27,440
there, but

2109
01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:29,840
>> yeah, that's just a normal budget for

2110
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:31,920
>> plus 45,000 for one side.

2111
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:35,040
>> She's out of

2112
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:36,480
>> Is there something else you that you

2113
01:25:36,480 --> 01:25:38,000
feel like is important that you want to

2114
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:38,400
add?

2115
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:40,159
>> Ladder truck.

2116
01:25:40,159 --> 01:25:44,880
>> Well, I should said Yeah. Um,

2117
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,360
no, that that's important. Um, I think

2118
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:50,560
our uniforms line item needs to go up.

2119
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:53,280
Um, we have one set of class B uniform,

2120
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:54,639
but you notice I wore a different

2121
01:25:54,639 --> 01:25:56,800
uniform tonight because mine's at the

2122
01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:00,880
dry cleaners if you can't wash them. Um,

2123
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:02,639
and turnouts needs to go up because we

2124
01:26:02,639 --> 01:26:06,880
do need to um give people new turnouts

2125
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:07,600
as per

2126
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:09,280
>> and that's a requirement. That's not

2127
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:12,159
like a wait. Yeah, that's a every 10

2128
01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:13,679
years. So,

2129
01:26:13,679 --> 01:26:15,840
>> I believe my bunker gear, my structure

2130
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:18,320
gear is 11 years old. I don't wear it

2131
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:20,320
very often. I don't go in fires very

2132
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:22,880
often. So, but I need to have it. So, if

2133
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:24,639
I have to.

2134
01:26:24,639 --> 01:26:27,679
>> So, that's under your uniforms.

2135
01:26:27,679 --> 01:26:29,624
>> And then

2136
01:26:29,624 --> 01:26:30,719
[sighs]

2137
01:26:30,719 --> 01:26:32,239
the

2138
01:26:32,239 --> 01:26:35,440
volunteer appreciation proposed was to

2139
01:26:35,440 --> 01:26:38,000
add money there for this yearly stipen

2140
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,560
for the firefighters.

2141
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:43,280
Um, I noticed that we put the increase

2142
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:45,520
for the hundred year celebration. I will

2143
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:47,360
say I don't agree with the that being a

2144
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:49,840
volunteer appreciation. I think the 100

2145
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:53,120
year celebration should be its loan own

2146
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:54,719
item

2147
01:26:54,719 --> 01:26:58,400
and we're proposing 15,000 for that. You

2148
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:01,520
guys um approved the badges

2149
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:03,760
last council that we would like to do a

2150
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:05,760
couple events and do a nice event for

2151
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:08,000
the fire department dinner something

2152
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:10,960
with the city fire department for 100

2153
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:13,120
year because none of us will see another

2154
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:14,960
100 years with fire station. So you're

2155
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:16,080
saying you want that to be separate from

2156
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:17,360
what you have in volunteer and you're

2157
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:19,199
asking for how much in that one

2158
01:27:19,199 --> 01:27:20,480
>> in just the 100redyear one

2159
01:27:20,480 --> 01:27:21,760
>> the 115,000

2160
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:24,239
>> 15 and including already the 6,000 that

2161
01:27:24,239 --> 01:27:25,520
>> no that's with 6,000

2162
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:28,080
>> with total 15,000 [snorts]

2163
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:30,400
>> for the 100 year celebration

2164
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:33,120
because we bought the challenge coins

2165
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:35,040
already. Now we got the badges and

2166
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:36,880
patches coming so it would just be four

2167
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:41,280
events and and a nice dinner.

2168
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:43,360
You're saying add an additional 15

2169
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:44,159
grand?

2170
01:27:44,159 --> 01:27:47,360
>> No. So take 15,000 out of volunteer

2171
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:50,239
appreciation, make a different line item

2172
01:27:50,239 --> 01:27:53,760
or the 100year and I propose to

2173
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:56,159
>> was you added seven. So take the seven

2174
01:27:56,159 --> 01:27:58,400
and add it to another line. Bump that

2175
01:27:58,400 --> 01:27:59,520
up.

2176
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:00,880
>> Leave the seven in volunteer

2177
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:04,800
appreciation and add 15,000 for

2178
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:07,600
the 100 year celebration. And right now

2179
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:09,440
I have them in volunteer appreciation

2180
01:28:09,440 --> 01:28:11,600
just because I don't want to tie up a

2181
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:15,280
one use budget line. You know, our 100

2182
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:16,880
year celebration budget line is only

2183
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:18,159
applicable

2184
01:28:18,159 --> 01:28:22,480
>> next year. And so I'm happy to look at

2185
01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:24,400
what other budget lines we have in fire

2186
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:26,239
and maybe we put it in its own that's

2187
01:28:26,239 --> 01:28:28,239
not used for volunteer appreciation. I'm

2188
01:28:28,239 --> 01:28:30,320
happy to do that just so it is separate.

2189
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:32,400
But I was just hesitant. I don't want to

2190
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:33,840
create a new budget line

2191
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:34,960
>> for a one time

2192
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:36,480
>> a one time use and then it's just going

2193
01:28:36,480 --> 01:28:38,560
to be forever cluttering up our chart of

2194
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:39,360
accounts

2195
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:42,239
>> for the next

2196
01:28:42,239 --> 01:28:45,120
>> foreveration

2197
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:45,679
one time.

2198
01:28:45,679 --> 01:28:47,280
>> Yeah. Just just as long as we can note

2199
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:50,000
it that that's I mean that that seems

2200
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:52,880
like the most

2201
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:55,440
>> yeah obvious what you've got there. I

2202
01:28:55,440 --> 01:28:57,679
mean that that would be that probably

2203
01:28:57,679 --> 01:29:01,280
the best place to put it in 67.

2204
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:03,120
>> And then if if he want what he wants

2205
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:07,120
then we need to increase it by up to

2206
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:08,400
25

2207
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:09,920
>> 25,000

2208
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:19,990
>> 20. So 17 and 15. What's that? 32

2209
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:22,880
» or what you want this to be I guess.

2210
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:23,199
So

2211
01:29:23,199 --> 01:29:25,120
>> you said 10 grand

2212
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:27,440
>> 17

2213
01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:28,239
>> 15 and 17

2214
01:29:28,239 --> 01:29:29,440
>> 15 I thought

2215
01:29:29,440 --> 01:29:31,440
>> you want this to be

2216
01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:35,430
>> 22,000

2217
01:29:35,440 --> 01:29:39,669
» yes

2218
01:29:39,679 --> 01:29:42,790
» right

2219
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:43,440
» okay

2220
01:29:43,440 --> 01:29:45,280
>> and that will average out I think if we

2221
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:47,120
did the volunteer appreciation line I

2222
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:49,280
have a 17,000

2223
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:51,040
on average I think that would be we'd be

2224
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,440
like8 $8 a call.

2225
01:29:53,440 --> 01:29:54,400
>> Yeah.

2226
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:56,880
>> Not including the other time in the

2227
01:29:56,880 --> 01:30:01,440
station. That's just forward calls and

2228
01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:11,430
doesn't include training.

2229
01:30:11,440 --> 01:30:15,280
» Any questions come?

2230
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:18,239
>> Thank you.

2231
01:30:18,239 --> 01:30:20,880
Anyone

2232
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:24,870
like to go next?

2233
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:35,189
» Okay.

2234
01:30:35,199 --> 01:30:37,600
Our options [clears throat] were

2235
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:40,080
fairly limited because we're running

2236
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:42,239
pretty lean as it is and our staffing is

2237
01:30:42,239 --> 01:30:44,000
pretty lean. But we did look at our

2238
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,400
collections development budget. We

2239
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:50,480
reduced a lot of those. Um, let's see.

2240
01:30:50,480 --> 01:30:52,719
Um, books,

2241
01:30:52,719 --> 01:30:56,000
we dropped that $5,000.

2242
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:57,679
We can make up the difference with

2243
01:30:57,679 --> 01:30:59,440
grants.

2244
01:30:59,440 --> 01:31:02,239
Uh, we are not doing much with the music

2245
01:31:02,239 --> 01:31:03,840
collection, so we cut that out

2246
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:06,880
completely. Audio visual is reduced as

2247
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:09,199
well. We [clears throat] have a a

2248
01:31:09,199 --> 01:31:11,280
growing collection of DVDs for those who

2249
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:13,840
don't have streaming or online, you

2250
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,480
know, services.

2251
01:31:16,480 --> 01:31:18,080
And those are quite popular, aren't

2252
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:19,520
they? The DVDs.

2253
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:20,480
>> Yes. Yes.

2254
01:31:20,480 --> 01:31:21,840
>> For people to check out.

2255
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:27,360
>> Uh DVDs and uh children's books are the most popular collections that we

2256
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:29,280
have.

2257
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:31,583
>> It's like Blockbuster.

2258
01:31:31,583 --> 01:31:32,480
[laughter]

2259
01:31:32,480 --> 01:31:34,480
>> A modern day Blockbuster.

2260
01:31:34,480 --> 01:31:37,360
>> Uh I Yeah, I hope we have a better

2261
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:39,280
selection. [laughter]

2262
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:39,840
>> Great.

2263
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:43,840
>> And [snorts] some maybe some Anyway, uh

2264
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:45,760
>> we won't go there. Our collection aligns

2265
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:47,760
with the community standards and

2266
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:51,440
expectations. I'll leave it at that. Um,

2267
01:31:51,440 --> 01:31:53,840
salaries and wages, we didn't have much

2268
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:55,760
room. I did ask for an additional

2269
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:58,320
part-time position. I don't think it's

2270
01:31:58,320 --> 01:31:59,840
going to happen considering everything

2271
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:02,080
that's been going on. If we did get

2272
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:05,600
another additional library tech one, we

2273
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:08,080
would have put that person on the desk

2274
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:11,280
doing regular responsibilities but also

2275
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:14,320
focusing in one of two different uh

2276
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:16,560
specialties. Either they would be

2277
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:19,440
trained and you may be a a retired

2278
01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:20,800
teacher, somebody who could do

2279
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:23,280
one-on-one uh tutoring for those who

2280
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:25,120
need some additional help with literacy

2281
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:27,520
or whatever it is, or somebody who would

2282
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:30,320
be comfortable with technology.

2283
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:32,639
and they would be the the go-to person

2284
01:32:32,639 --> 01:32:36,400
for computer support. Um, the staff are

2285
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:38,000
great as it is now, but we're a little

2286
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:40,639
bit more limited that I'd prefer. And if

2287
01:32:40,639 --> 01:32:42,239
we could do that and step up, I think

2288
01:32:42,239 --> 01:32:47,520
it'd be a quite a help to the community.

2289
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:54,080
Um, I mean, salaries and wages, your budget's cut from 263,500

2290
01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:56,000
to 222,

2291
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:57,280
right?

2292
01:32:57,280 --> 01:32:59,840
>> It's adjusted down. I did pull numbers

2293
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:03,679
based on our current um like staff and

2294
01:33:03,679 --> 01:33:04,719
that's where I've been getting our

2295
01:33:04,719 --> 01:33:06,239
salary and wages numbers was from

2296
01:33:06,239 --> 01:33:09,840
current staff. Um so I'm not sure I can

2297
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:12,080
verify just to double check that number

2298
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:16,719
but I can't say that it's um like it's

2299
01:33:16,719 --> 01:33:18,400
not including getting rid of anyone for

2300
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:19,600
the library is basically what I'm

2301
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:19,840
saying.

2302
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:22,000
>> And does that include a 3% cola

2303
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:22,800
increase?

2304
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:26,229
>> Yes.

2305
01:33:26,239 --> 01:33:30,000
» Yeah. We also uh decreased dues and fees

2306
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:32,880
104463 as well as conferences, training

2307
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:35,679
and travel. Uh the training that we do

2308
01:33:35,679 --> 01:33:38,880
is either in-house or we allow staff to

2309
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:40,639
go to the state library and all the

2310
01:33:40,639 --> 01:33:58,149
training there is free.

2311
01:33:58,159 --> 01:33:59,600
Really? From last year to this year, you

2312
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:04,709
cut your budget 50 grand plus,

2313
01:34:04,719 --> 01:34:05,600
» right?

2314
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:07,440
>> Yes.

2315
01:34:07,440 --> 01:34:13,510
>> 45 to 431.

2316
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:15,440
» Good job, John.

2317
01:34:15,440 --> 01:34:18,960
>> Thanks. It It's a non-standard director

2318
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:20,560
position.

2319
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:23,199
um if we have an opportunity to help out

2320
01:34:23,199 --> 01:34:25,120
with landscaping or whatever it is or

2321
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:28,560
grant writing or whatever the uh

2322
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:31,840
position needs, uh we're able to step up

2323
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:34,239
and so uh we just make it work.

2324
01:34:34,239 --> 01:34:36,080
>> They're always willing to help out.

2325
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:37,280
>> Yes.

2326
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:41,520
>> So, any questions?

2327
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:42,880
You might need your binder for this one,

2328
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:45,600
but the library rent

2329
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:48,400
>> um at the 18,615

2330
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:51,679
and pardon me from not ever asking this

2331
01:34:51,679 --> 01:34:53,440
question, but I thought the library was

2332
01:34:53,440 --> 01:34:55,120
paid for, but

2333
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:58,560
>> no. So, it's not. And this number does

2334
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:01,440
change based on so we also [snorts] city

2335
01:35:01,440 --> 01:35:03,679
sends us money for Okay, that's what I

2336
01:35:03,679 --> 01:35:06,080
>> So, they actually pay for the bulk of

2337
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:08,800
the library. And then this is the

2338
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:10,639
difference between what we get from Tula

2339
01:35:10,639 --> 01:35:12,480
City and what's owed.

2340
01:35:12,480 --> 01:35:16,080
>> So, it does vary a little bit, but um

2341
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:17,679
based on the numbers for this year,

2342
01:35:17,679 --> 01:35:19,120
we're at 1860.

2343
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:21,440
>> I mean, considering I mean, that's not a

2344
01:35:21,440 --> 01:35:23,280
lot divided by 12, right?

2345
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:24,080
>> Yeah.

2346
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:25,840
I was just curious as to

2347
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:27,920
>> I just this might need your binder too,

2348
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:30,159
Aspen. But all these rent payments that

2349
01:35:30,159 --> 01:35:32,239
we're talking about, whether it's the

2350
01:35:32,239 --> 01:35:34,560
library or the different buildings, are

2351
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:37,679
any of those close to being

2352
01:35:37,679 --> 01:35:38,000
>> No.

2353
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:39,600
>> paid. No.

2354
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:41,520
>> Okay. Just just curious.

2355
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:43,199
>> We looked at that list like I want to

2356
01:35:43,199 --> 01:35:45,760
say seven or eight months ago. We we got

2357
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:47,600
to see that

2358
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:48,480
>> where we're at.

2359
01:35:48,480 --> 01:35:50,320
>> Yeah. And I'll send it out again just so

2360
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:52,000
you guys have the updated numbers. You

2361
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:54,400
can kind of see and then kind of explain

2362
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:59,910
which each one of them is.

2363
01:35:59,920 --> 01:36:00,560
All right.

2364
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:01,679
>> Okay. Thank you.

2365
01:36:01,679 --> 01:36:04,066
>> Sure. Thanks.

2366
01:36:04,066 --> 01:36:07,990
[laughter]

2367
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:08,639
» Welcome, Bill.

2368
01:36:08,639 --> 01:36:10,880
>> Guy with the bow tie. [laughter]

2369
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:11,840
>> Um,

2370
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:13,520
>> I just got to start out by saying thank

2371
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:16,080
you for taking the time. This is an

2372
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:18,719
unscheduled meeting and I know you get

2373
01:36:18,719 --> 01:36:20,800
paid a ton. That might be a place for

2374
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:22,480
you to start looking at saving some

2375
01:36:22,480 --> 01:36:24,371
money is cutting your own salaries.

2376
01:36:24,371 --> 01:36:25,681
[laughter]

2377
01:36:25,681 --> 01:36:25,760
>> [clears throat]

2378
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:26,320
>> Thank you.

2379
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:30,239
>> Just saying the public's watching.

2380
01:36:30,239 --> 01:36:33,920
Um, no, thank you so

2381
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:35,760
much. This is this is tough. It's tough

2382
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:37,679
to go through all these numbers and sit

2383
01:36:37,679 --> 01:36:39,840
through and I'm I'm really grateful for

2384
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:41,760
the time that y'all are putting in. So,

2385
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:43,280
do you want to start out with building

2386
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:45,199
or community development? Let's go with

2387
01:36:45,199 --> 01:36:47,679
building since it's on top there.

2388
01:36:47,679 --> 01:36:49,360
um building is one of those interesting

2389
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:51,920
places where we actually see some decent

2390
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:56,159
revenue as um building permits get

2391
01:36:56,159 --> 01:36:59,119
processed. We do see fees and things

2392
01:36:59,119 --> 01:37:01,199
that are associated with that. So keep

2393
01:37:01,199 --> 01:37:02,960
in mind that uh even though these

2394
01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:06,159
numbers look significant, they're offset

2395
01:37:06,159 --> 01:37:08,000
also by

2396
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:11,440
some revenue that we get as well. So,

2397
01:37:11,440 --> 01:37:13,920
um,

2398
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:16,080
this hasn't changed a whole lot since

2399
01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:19,840
the the previous year. So, uh, hopefully

2400
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:21,600
you have any questions or anything on

2401
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:23,360
any of that.

2402
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:24,560
>> Actually, looks like it's gone down

2403
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:29,040
right from 26 to 27. Yeah,

2404
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:30,639
I'm just curious what the transfer

2405
01:37:30,639 --> 01:37:33,280
capital project fund is and why is it

2406
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:35,840
not in the 27 budget and

2407
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:39,520
>> what did we utilize in 26 and

2408
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:41,679
what I mean it says eliminated in the

2409
01:37:41,679 --> 01:37:45,040
notes. So part of that equation is is

2410
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:47,119
that particular number right there.

2411
01:37:47,119 --> 01:37:48,880
>> Yeah, I don't know what the answer is to

2412
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:50,960
that honestly. Um that was something

2413
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:52,960
that Aspen did so I'm going to defer to

2414
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:57,520
her on that. There was a transfer from

2415
01:37:57,520 --> 01:38:01,440
our fund to the capital project fund.

2416
01:38:01,440 --> 01:38:02,159
>> Okay.

2417
01:38:02,159 --> 01:38:03,119
>> So

2418
01:38:03,119 --> 01:38:06,560
>> maybe that's fe and loo maybe

2419
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:08,400
had something to do with personnel. I

2420
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:11,119
thought

2421
01:38:11,119 --> 01:38:13,119
>> I'm not sure.

2422
01:38:13,119 --> 01:38:14,320
Maybe not.

2423
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:16,000
>> I might be thinking of something else to

2424
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:19,510
get back.

2425
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:22,159
I know they they've had a increase in

2426
01:38:22,159 --> 01:38:24,159
building fund for a few years and that's

2427
01:38:24,159 --> 01:38:26,960
why there's probably about 1.2 million

2428
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:31,119
in capital funds from the building that

2429
01:38:31,119 --> 01:38:35,830
it is in our funds right now.

2430
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:39,280
I think that Sher was mentioning that was part of the funds that she was

2431
01:38:39,280 --> 01:38:42,239
going to pull off for city hall. That

2432
01:38:42,239 --> 01:38:43,440
was her plan

2433
01:38:43,440 --> 01:38:45,199
>> for that. So I think that's what that

2434
01:38:45,199 --> 01:38:47,760
transfer was in the past.

2435
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:52,719
>> Okay. If I was to guess right now,

2436
01:38:52,719 --> 01:38:54,960
>> can you highlight can you drive her

2437
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:57,760
computer? Can you highlight the formula

2438
01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:02,719
in um F 425?

2439
01:39:02,719 --> 01:39:04,960
Just the formula down below. And does

2440
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:08,470
that include that?

2441
01:39:08,480 --> 01:39:13,590
» Okay, it does.

2442
01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:16,320
I'm just curious why the

2443
01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:19,040
Thank you.

2444
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:21,360
Let's see what the increases. I mean,

2445
01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:24,790
you got $73,876

2446
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:27,199
in increased in budgeted salaries and

2447
01:39:27,199 --> 01:39:30,800
wages. So, that's a significant increase

2448
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:35,280
between 26 and 27's proposed budget,

2449
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:41,669
line 406, right?

2450
01:39:41,679 --> 01:39:44,159
» So, you're wondering why this is. Well,

2451
01:39:44,159 --> 01:39:46,480
I I mean the transfer capital projects

2452
01:39:46,480 --> 01:39:48,560
fund where I we asked or I asked the

2453
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:50,800
question about that.

2454
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:52,639
>> And

2455
01:39:52,639 --> 01:39:53,760
so

2456
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:56,239
>> so that so this is something that we

2457
01:39:56,239 --> 01:39:58,880
have taken out based on I had put the 18

2458
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:01,199
million in. So this isn't unique to

2459
01:40:01,199 --> 01:40:03,360
building. There was a couple of others

2460
01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:05,760
that had transferred a capital projects

2461
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:08,239
fund in their budget because your

2462
01:40:08,239 --> 01:40:09,679
capital projects fund doesn't have a

2463
01:40:09,679 --> 01:40:12,159
revenue stream. It only gets revenue

2464
01:40:12,159 --> 01:40:15,040
from the general fund putting money into

2465
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:15,760
it.

2466
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:18,560
>> So, I took all of that out for this

2467
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:21,280
budget under the assumption that the 18

2468
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:23,040
million from the water credit sales

2469
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:25,520
would be going into capital projects.

2470
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:27,600
>> That's different. We can of course

2471
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:30,800
adjust that, but it is like there's no

2472
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:33,600
money to do the capital projects

2473
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:35,360
unless we're putting money into it. Like

2474
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:36,880
it doesn't have its own revenue source

2475
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:39,520
outside of transfers in from the general

2476
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:40,960
fund.

2477
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:41,760
So

2478
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:44,480
>> consolidated

2479
01:40:44,480 --> 01:40:46,239
projects for one more.

2480
01:40:46,239 --> 01:40:49,280
>> Yeah. So there's so no department budget

2481
01:40:49,280 --> 01:40:51,119
is contributing to the capital project

2482
01:40:51,119 --> 01:40:54,000
at this time because of the

2483
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:56,800
>> if we do something different with it, we

2484
01:40:56,800 --> 01:41:01,910
could adjust.

2485
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:06,159
» Any other questions on any of that?

2486
01:41:06,159 --> 01:41:07,600
>> I see. I see where the difference is.

2487
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:08,800
>> Yeah, I knew I knew she'd have the

2488
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:10,560
answer. [laughter]

2489
01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:11,440
a little bit more.

2490
01:41:11,440 --> 01:41:12,719
>> I was getting the debt thing

2491
01:41:12,719 --> 01:41:13,600
>> getting the other answers.

2492
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:16,719
>> So the the 573 go

2493
01:41:16,719 --> 01:41:17,840
>> sorry.

2494
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:19,760
>> So the 573876

2495
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:21,920
and that reflects

2496
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:23,760
um the wages we currently have in the

2497
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:26,239
department now.

2498
01:41:26,239 --> 01:41:29,440
>> Um for an entire year less than 3%

2499
01:41:29,440 --> 01:41:30,080
colum.

2500
01:41:30,080 --> 01:41:32,239
>> Yes.

2501
01:41:32,239 --> 01:41:33,760
>> And the employee benefits and the health

2502
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:35,440
insurance that's all reflective of the

2503
01:41:35,440 --> 01:41:38,080
increases that would happen there.

2504
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:40,560
And those are so those are a 5% increase

2505
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:42,719
based on what PHP is going to be

2506
01:41:42,719 --> 01:41:50,149
charging us.

2507
01:41:50,159 --> 01:41:53,199
» So you have a

2508
01:41:53,199 --> 01:41:57,040
$67,000 decrease in the total budget,

2509
01:41:57,040 --> 01:41:59,920
but you have a $73,000 increase because

2510
01:41:59,920 --> 01:42:02,800
of the 154,750

2511
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:05,840
on line 424. So I see where the math is

2512
01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:08,400
now. split

2513
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:10,000
um

2514
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:13,119
bills and berries out of both budgets

2515
01:42:13,119 --> 01:42:14,159
there

2516
01:42:14,159 --> 01:42:15,760
>> and even like you

2517
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:18,480
>> I think my salary is split between the

2518
01:42:18,480 --> 01:42:21,669
two departments.

2519
01:42:21,679 --> 01:42:23,520
» Yeah. And I think Barry's comes directly

2520
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:26,880
out of community development. So

2521
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:29,280
>> but you know Tyson, Michael, myself were

2522
01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:31,440
also considered into the size of these

2523
01:42:31,440 --> 01:42:34,000
budgets as well.

2524
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:38,480
>> Proportionally. Okay. Any

2525
01:42:38,480 --> 01:42:42,229
other questions on building?

2526
01:42:42,239 --> 01:42:47,270
Okay. Then uh community development.

2527
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:50,159
You can see that there

2528
01:42:50,159 --> 01:42:52,159
a lot of the increases there are

2529
01:42:52,159 --> 01:42:54,800
directly related to um some new

2530
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:57,119
positions that were added.

2531
01:42:57,119 --> 01:43:06,870
um my position Barry and Tayun

2532
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:08,480
» and then there were commensurate

2533
01:43:08,480 --> 01:43:10,320
increases smaller increases but

2534
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:12,080
commensurate increases in the training

2535
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:13,440
budgets and and that kind of thing

2536
01:43:13,440 --> 01:43:16,159
because we're training additional people

2537
01:43:16,159 --> 01:43:20,159
as well so that makes sense I think in

2538
01:43:20,159 --> 01:43:22,480
those places I hope one of the places

2539
01:43:22,480 --> 01:43:24,400
that you'll see a significant redu

2540
01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:27,360
reduction easy for me to today is in the

2541
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:30,880
uh uh engineering the the engineering

2542
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:34,000
services line item.

2543
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:36,080
Um we're we're keeping that budget still

2544
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:38,239
relatively high for this year and then

2545
01:43:38,239 --> 01:43:40,239
we'll kind of see how it goes. We we do

2546
01:43:40,239 --> 01:43:44,080
still use engineering services outside

2547
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:48,080
um the city, outside of Barry because um

2548
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:50,800
and it's it's useful to have that on on

2549
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:52,880
our books because there are projects and

2550
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:55,679
things that are done that require

2551
01:43:55,679 --> 01:43:59,280
specialized skills that uh are outside

2552
01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:02,239
of Barry's wheelhouse. He's he's really

2553
01:44:02,239 --> 01:44:03,760
good. he's he can handle almost

2554
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:06,480
everything, but uh for example, flood

2555
01:44:06,480 --> 01:44:08,560
plane administration

2556
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:11,520
um and and uh recommendations that way

2557
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:14,239
are a very specialized kind of skill

2558
01:44:14,239 --> 01:44:17,360
set. And so to help offset that and to

2559
01:44:17,360 --> 01:44:20,400
help with reviews with uh plans that do

2560
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:22,639
involve the flood plane, it's useful to

2561
01:44:22,639 --> 01:44:25,360
have someone that we can tap to say uh

2562
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:28,159
please help us review these plans for uh

2563
01:44:28,159 --> 01:44:31,440
flood plane impact. So that's why that

2564
01:44:31,440 --> 01:44:34,480
looks the way it does. This may or may

2565
01:44:34,480 --> 01:44:36,639
not fully get used and if it doesn't

2566
01:44:36,639 --> 01:44:38,400
we'll reduce our budget numbers for next

2567
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:40,159
year. But we wanted to make sure that we

2568
01:44:40,159 --> 01:44:42,480
had that even at a reduced rate still on

2569
01:44:42,480 --> 01:44:44,719
our books. So if we did need it, it was

2570
01:44:44,719 --> 01:44:49,030
available.

2571
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:52,239
» We kind of missed the boat on 26 budget.

2572
01:44:52,239 --> 01:44:55,520
That was 50 grand. We spent 91,000

2573
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:57,360
through six.

2574
01:44:57,360 --> 01:45:00,159
>> Yeah. And that's a little bit of a a

2575
01:45:00,159 --> 01:45:02,239
tricky number too because we do charge

2576
01:45:02,239 --> 01:45:04,159
some of those numbers back to the

2577
01:45:04,159 --> 01:45:06,960
developers for the in the review fees

2578
01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:08,560
and things like that and they agree to

2579
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:11,600
pay uh when they apply they agree to pay

2580
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:14,320
uh any outside looks that we have at

2581
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:16,000
those things. So although the budget

2582
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:18,800
line item looks significant there we've

2583
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:21,360
also had a significant increase on the

2584
01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:22,560
revenue side.

2585
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:23,119
>> Yeah.

2586
01:45:23,119 --> 01:45:24,880
>> So but we don't see that because that

2587
01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:27,520
goes into the general fund.

2588
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:30,000
So it is so building and community

2589
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:33,040
development are kind of tricky. We have

2590
01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:34,639
them in our financials that you guys get

2591
01:45:34,639 --> 01:45:36,080
sent out. They're actually not included

2592
01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:37,600
in the general fund and you'll see them

2593
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:39,440
in their own and so you'll see their

2594
01:45:39,440 --> 01:45:42,960
revenue compared to their expenses. Um

2595
01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:44,800
however during budgeting we do include

2596
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:46,480
them just all in general fund with their

2597
01:45:46,480 --> 01:45:48,239
expenses and their revenue together

2598
01:45:48,239 --> 01:45:50,800
because should they fall short in their

2599
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:52,400
revenues their expenses will be covered

2600
01:45:52,400 --> 01:45:54,639
by the general fund. So it's not a true

2601
01:45:54,639 --> 01:45:57,360
enterprise fund. Ultimately, it kind of

2602
01:45:57,360 --> 01:46:01,199
operates even out, but it doesn't always

2603
01:46:01,199 --> 01:46:02,639
work out that way.

2604
01:46:02,639 --> 01:46:04,800
>> So,

2605
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:06,800
>> our goal is and and that's why we have

2606
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:08,880
looks at the fee schedule on a regular

2607
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:11,040
basis to to make sure that we're our

2608
01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:13,520
fees that we're charging do cover the

2609
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:15,360
expenses that are being incurred by new

2610
01:46:15,360 --> 01:46:17,600
development in particular. It's not

2611
01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:19,360
going to be a onetoone. Obviously, we do

2612
01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:21,520
other things in the department that uh

2613
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:24,639
take time and money. Um

2614
01:46:24,639 --> 01:46:26,880
but we Shelby said she has something

2615
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:29,280
like 120 applications that she's working

2616
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:32,639
on right now. Um, we had 52 building

2617
01:46:32,639 --> 01:46:36,000
permits last year for new homes, just

2618
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:37,840
for new homes, not businesses or

2619
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:40,719
anything like that. Um, we're we're

2620
01:46:40,719 --> 01:46:44,480
keeping busy and uh our our crew is very

2621
01:46:44,480 --> 01:46:47,360
efficient and very lean and uh I feel

2622
01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:48,880
really good about these numbers and and

2623
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:50,800
the direction that they're going. Um,

2624
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:53,679
I'm super proud of our employees. the

2625
01:46:53,679 --> 01:46:56,719
work that they do is is the best quality

2626
01:46:56,719 --> 01:47:00,239
around and u just I I couldn't ask for a

2627
01:47:00,239 --> 01:47:04,960
better crew to work with just yeah and I

2628
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:06,800
know each department feels like theirs

2629
01:47:06,800 --> 01:47:09,440
is the best but I would say that mine is

2630
01:47:09,440 --> 01:47:11,040
hands down

2631
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:20,390
>> nice sales [snorts] pitch [laughter]

2632
01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:27,030
so any questions on any of

2633
01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:31,440
We did have a pitch for uh an eyeworks

2634
01:47:31,440 --> 01:47:33,600
new additional eyeworks module that we

2635
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:35,600
might be looking at and so that might

2636
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:37,679
get added to this. I she sent me the

2637
01:47:37,679 --> 01:47:38,800
numbers. I can't remember what they

2638
01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:40,639
were. They were like seven grand or

2639
01:47:40,639 --> 01:47:42,880
something like that. And that would help

2640
01:47:42,880 --> 01:47:45,280
us with our streamline our our

2641
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:48,159
operations and in and have a different

2642
01:47:48,159 --> 01:47:52,320
forward-f facing applications portal for

2643
01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:54,320
uh developers and applicants so that

2644
01:47:54,320 --> 01:47:56,639
they know where they're at in the status

2645
01:47:56,639 --> 01:47:58,320
and who's reviewing what and all of

2646
01:47:58,320 --> 01:48:00,320
those kinds of things. So that could be

2647
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:02,800
useful going forward, but again it's one

2648
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:04,239
of those things that we need to decide

2649
01:48:04,239 --> 01:48:07,280
if we want to pay for it or not. So um

2650
01:48:07,280 --> 01:48:08,800
that could be something that we'll bring

2651
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:11,040
forward. that was just this today a

2652
01:48:11,040 --> 01:48:12,719
after that's why we had to leave was to

2653
01:48:12,719 --> 01:48:17,440
go talk to them about that. So, um we're going to have a follow-up with

2654
01:48:17,440 --> 01:48:18,800
them on that and we'll get those numbers

2655
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:20,800
to you as soon as we can.

2656
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:23,679
>> So, it's an online portal portal program

2657
01:48:23,679 --> 01:48:26,880
that allows the GC to go in and see the

2658
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:28,239
status of what permits still

2659
01:48:28,239 --> 01:48:29,199
outstanding. And

2660
01:48:29,199 --> 01:48:30,400
>> that's exactly right. And what the

2661
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:32,159
status is on the reviews and all of

2662
01:48:32,159 --> 01:48:33,360
those kinds of things. if there's any

2663
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:34,560
payments that are

2664
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:36,320
>> anything like that in the city.

2665
01:48:36,320 --> 01:48:38,400
>> We kind of do, but we rely more on email

2666
01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:40,159
communication that way and there's not

2667
01:48:40,159 --> 01:48:43,040
really a forward- facing eyework portion

2668
01:48:43,040 --> 01:48:45,600
of that. And so we we send letters out

2669
01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:47,600
to people and things we generate through

2670
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:49,840
IWorks uh code enforcement and that kind

2671
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:51,600
of thing and we keep track of our own

2672
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:53,600
internal stuff there. But this would add

2673
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:57,679
that that uh customerf facing module on

2674
01:48:57,679 --> 01:48:59,440
and that that seemed like a useful

2675
01:48:59,440 --> 01:49:06,320
thing. So um We'll let you know. Yeah.

2676
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:08,880
>> So, specifically on line 450, grant

2677
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:12,960
expense $115,000 for a general plan.

2678
01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:15,119
That's our matching

2679
01:49:15,119 --> 01:49:15,840
amount.

2680
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:19,520
>> No, we're getting a $100,000 from WFRC.

2681
01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:19,840
>> Okay.

2682
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:22,159
>> And then the the 15 would be our match

2683
01:49:22,159 --> 01:49:24,800
on that

2684
01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:26,080
>> that one.

2685
01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:28,320
>> Okay. So, if we're getting

2686
01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:30,159
>> So, that would be money. there would be

2687
01:49:30,159 --> 01:49:32,719
a there would be a a revenue stream in

2688
01:49:32,719 --> 01:49:34,320
under grants.

2689
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:36,239
>> You got it reflected in grants.

2690
01:49:36,239 --> 01:49:37,520
>> So yeah, 100 grants.

2691
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:39,280
>> The hard part with grants and that is

2692
01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:41,040
something that I have to bring up that

2693
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:42,159
we kind of touched on a little bit in

2694
01:49:42,159 --> 01:49:44,800
our meeting this morning is grants are

2695
01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:47,840
hard because every grant application

2696
01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:50,560
asks if you have the project budgeted

2697
01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:53,199
and if we don't we have to say no and

2698
01:49:53,199 --> 01:49:56,480
that doesn't work out great. So we this

2699
01:49:56,480 --> 01:49:59,119
one ultimately costs us 15,000 but we

2700
01:49:59,119 --> 01:50:01,920
have 100,000 in revenue and 115 coming

2701
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:05,600
out. So our part is 15,000 but I have to

2702
01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:07,520
show that in our budget we have that

2703
01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:10,159
project budgeted for to be completed.

2704
01:50:10,159 --> 01:50:12,560
And so that's one caveat with grants

2705
01:50:12,560 --> 01:50:15,440
that I think has been what we really

2706
01:50:15,440 --> 01:50:18,000
need to start focusing on because

2707
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:20,400
there's been a lot of times where Alexis

2708
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:23,119
has been asked to go after a grant and

2709
01:50:23,119 --> 01:50:25,199
technically we don't have we don't have

2710
01:50:25,199 --> 01:50:29,280
that that project budgeted and so it

2711
01:50:29,280 --> 01:50:31,360
it's a catch 22, right? Because if you

2712
01:50:31,360 --> 01:50:33,520
budget for it, where's it going to how

2713
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:35,119
does it show up in our budget? But if

2714
01:50:35,119 --> 01:50:37,679
it's not budgeted for the grants, it

2715
01:50:37,679 --> 01:50:38,880
doesn't look as well as on a grant

2716
01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:40,320
because it seems like it's not a project

2717
01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:42,080
that the city was actually planning to

2718
01:50:42,080 --> 01:50:44,080
do anyway.

2719
01:50:44,080 --> 01:50:46,560
>> So where's the other $100,000? Can you

2720
01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:48,719
show us exactly where it is up on the

2721
01:50:48,719 --> 01:50:49,280
revenue?

2722
01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:51,520
>> So yeah, let's see.

2723
01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:53,600
>> I know it's a lot to scroll all the way

2724
01:50:53,600 --> 01:51:02,229
back up to.

2725
01:51:02,239 --> 01:51:04,639
So here we Oh, I actually put it in 115.

2726
01:51:04,639 --> 01:51:06,080
So I do need to reduce it, but it's here

2727
01:51:06,080 --> 01:51:07,360
in grant revenue for community

2728
01:51:07,360 --> 01:51:09,199
development, but it should only be

2729
01:51:09,199 --> 01:51:11,119
100,000.

2730
01:51:11,119 --> 01:51:12,080
>> Oh, not a million.

2731
01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:15,119
>> Yes, a million. [laughter]

2732
01:51:15,119 --> 01:51:17,920
>> Thank you. That's

2733
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:20,560
>> surprise. I solved so many problems.

2734
01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:23,199
>> Just needs to add some zer.

2735
01:51:23,199 --> 01:51:24,080
We're going to be fine.

2736
01:51:24,080 --> 01:51:26,480
>> Yeah. So that is right here. So that

2737
01:51:26,480 --> 01:51:30,000
will actually be um a grant revenue

2738
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:32,639
specific line. So, oh, I already got

2739
01:51:32,639 --> 01:51:33,199
past it.

2740
01:51:33,199 --> 01:51:35,199
>> So, by me open up my big mouth, I just

2741
01:51:35,199 --> 01:51:37,119
lost this $15,000.

2742
01:51:37,119 --> 01:51:38,960
>> Yeah, sorry. [laughter]

2743
01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:41,119
>> But I mean, good

2744
01:51:41,119 --> 01:51:43,760
>> good for transparency, but it is

2745
01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:46,080
budgeted. This included revenue. So, I'm

2746
01:51:46,080 --> 01:51:48,080
sorry.

2747
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:50,880
>> But $15,000 is a good buy in to get a

2748
01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:51,760
hundred,000.

2749
01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:53,440
>> Yeah, that's that's money well spent.

2750
01:51:53,440 --> 01:51:55,679
>> We all understand we want to do that,

2751
01:51:55,679 --> 01:51:56,000
right?

2752
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:57,920
>> Yeah, grants are Yeah, that's something

2753
01:51:57,920 --> 01:51:59,199
we have to do.

2754
01:51:59,199 --> 01:52:00,400
One of the things we talked about this

2755
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:02,800
morning too and and um I'm not sure if

2756
01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:04,800
you guys had heard the news or not, but

2757
01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:10,239
we had a meeting um late last week with

2758
01:52:10,239 --> 01:52:14,080
the uh folks at the Army Depot about uh

2759
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:16,480
Colonel Road. I don't know, did you guys

2760
01:52:16,480 --> 01:52:17,440
hear about that?

2761
01:52:17,440 --> 01:52:19,440
>> Yeah, we heard.

2762
01:52:19,440 --> 01:52:21,599
>> Yeah. So the exciting news is that the

2763
01:52:21,599 --> 01:52:24,800
value though that um we we get from

2764
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:27,920
having the depot participate with us in

2765
01:52:27,920 --> 01:52:31,119
that uh that project is that we can

2766
01:52:31,119 --> 01:52:34,960
leverage that the value of the land in

2767
01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:37,119
grants and grant proposals going

2768
01:52:37,119 --> 01:52:39,280
forward. So Barry told me that it's just

2769
01:52:39,280 --> 01:52:41,440
a ballpark but the the land that he had

2770
01:52:41,440 --> 01:52:43,520
kind of pencileled in the value of that

2771
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:45,679
was about two and a half million.

2772
01:52:45,679 --> 01:52:48,719
instead of us having to go pay for that,

2773
01:52:48,719 --> 01:52:51,840
the the grant from the depot would could

2774
01:52:51,840 --> 01:52:56,239
then be used to go and leverage um

2775
01:52:56,239 --> 01:52:58,000
>> that could be a matching to

2776
01:52:58,000 --> 01:52:59,520
>> exactly we can we can use that to

2777
01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:02,639
leverage and get grants for what was

2778
01:53:02,639 --> 01:53:03,520
maybe

2779
01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:07,679
>> FEMA and then

2780
01:53:07,679 --> 01:53:09,360
maybe they called it

2781
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:11,360
>> maybe Maida maybe we can get some of

2782
01:53:11,360 --> 01:53:15,360
that sweet money or whatever. Um, but

2783
01:53:15,360 --> 01:53:19,440
the the idea is that uh it it all kind

2784
01:53:19,440 --> 01:53:22,159
of works together. And so um that's how

2785
01:53:22,159 --> 01:53:24,480
we're we're approaching this, trying to

2786
01:53:24,480 --> 01:53:26,080
find creative ways to leverage money

2787
01:53:26,080 --> 01:53:28,320
that we don't really have to uh get more

2788
01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:35,589
money that we don't have yet. So

2789
01:53:35,599 --> 01:53:36,639
» it's a good plan.

2790
01:53:36,639 --> 01:53:43,858
>> Yeah, we're working it.

2791
01:53:43,868 --> 01:53:44,159
» [clears throat]

2792
01:53:44,159 --> 01:53:47,760
>> Any other thoughts or questions on that?

2793
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:49,199
>> Okay. Thanks, guys.

2794
01:53:49,199 --> 01:53:53,350
>> Thank you.

2795
01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:54,320
» Want to go next?

2796
01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:56,639
>> Yes, please.

2797
01:53:56,639 --> 01:53:59,920
>> All right. So, you know me as judge, but

2798
01:53:59,920 --> 01:54:02,800
today I'm the justice uh court director,

2799
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:05,119
Jamie Topham. I'm not appearing in my

2800
01:54:05,119 --> 01:54:07,119
judicial capacity is, but I'm comparing

2801
01:54:07,119 --> 01:54:10,080
in my director capacity.

2802
01:54:10,080 --> 01:54:15,350
Uh, so let's look at my budget.

2803
01:54:15,360 --> 01:54:19,599
» Uh, what happened to our wages?

2804
01:54:19,599 --> 01:54:21,440
>> I adjusted yours to be the proper

2805
01:54:21,440 --> 01:54:22,480
amount,

2806
01:54:22,480 --> 01:54:25,199
>> but it can't go down. Remember?

2807
01:54:25,199 --> 01:54:26,639
>> No, that's the same because before I had

2808
01:54:26,639 --> 01:54:28,960
in I had you budgeted for the same

2809
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:30,960
amount with a 3% increase.

2810
01:54:30,960 --> 01:54:31,360
>> Okay.

2811
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:34,000
>> So, I kept it I it reduced down to what

2812
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:36,880
a current is without 3%

2813
01:54:36,880 --> 01:54:37,920
>> on anyone

2814
01:54:37,920 --> 01:54:40,880
>> on just you. We guide the girls at 3%.

2815
01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:42,480
>> Okay. But you have to do and you did my

2816
01:54:42,480 --> 01:54:44,239
3% increase.

2817
01:54:44,239 --> 01:54:46,000
>> I kept yours at the rate that it was.

2818
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:48,400
>> Oh, it has to go up 3%. Okay. So, go up

2819
01:54:48,400 --> 01:54:50,080
3%. I'm sorry. This is just

2820
01:54:50,080 --> 01:54:51,360
miscommunication between us.

2821
01:54:51,360 --> 01:54:53,040
>> Yes. This is what's complicated.

2822
01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:54,719
>> I'll change that one back.

2823
01:54:54,719 --> 01:54:58,320
>> My department is a separate entity, a

2824
01:54:58,320 --> 01:55:00,880
separate branch of government.

2825
01:55:00,880 --> 01:55:03,360
However, you guys provide us the money.

2826
01:55:03,360 --> 01:55:05,119
So, I have these different hats that I

2827
01:55:05,119 --> 01:55:06,880
wear. One of the hats that I wear is as

2828
01:55:06,880 --> 01:55:09,599
a judge and there's a specific statute

2829
01:55:09,599 --> 01:55:13,040
about how you pay me and it's dependent

2830
01:55:13,040 --> 01:55:15,760
on workload but once it's set you can't

2831
01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:17,599
decrease it even if my workload

2832
01:55:17,599 --> 01:55:19,760
decreases. This last year for

2833
01:55:19,760 --> 01:55:22,239
transparency the city the state sent out

2834
01:55:22,239 --> 01:55:24,960
or the AOC sent out that our workload my

2835
01:55:24,960 --> 01:55:28,014
workload went down. So it was 2.24%

2836
01:55:28,014 --> 01:55:28,719
[clears throat]

2837
01:55:28,719 --> 01:55:31,920
last year and this year it says it's at

2838
01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:33,520
09%.

2839
01:55:33,520 --> 01:55:35,840
What happened is they went back and they

2840
01:55:35,840 --> 01:55:39,599
reweed the different types of cases. In

2841
01:55:39,599 --> 01:55:42,400
reality, our case load over there has

2842
01:55:42,400 --> 01:55:45,199
gone up dramatically. So, for example,

2843
01:55:45,199 --> 01:55:48,560
in April of 2025, we had 66 case

2844
01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:51,679
filings. April of 2024, it was about the

2845
01:55:51,679 --> 01:55:55,199
same, 66 case filings. April of 2026, we

2846
01:55:55,199 --> 01:55:58,800
had 166 case filings. And that's just

2847
01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:02,080
going up. As the police department does

2848
01:56:02,080 --> 01:56:04,880
their job, we it creates more of a job

2849
01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:09,520
for us. I don't know why the AOC decided

2850
01:56:09,520 --> 01:56:12,000
to wait the case load the way they did

2851
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:14,960
because it has certainly not gone down.

2852
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:18,159
Um we've created efficient efficiencies

2853
01:56:18,159 --> 01:56:20,159
over there. We've created some

2854
01:56:20,159 --> 01:56:23,679
efficiencies with how the prosecution

2855
01:56:23,679 --> 01:56:26,719
um handles cases that can be handled a

2856
01:56:26,719 --> 01:56:29,040
little bit more administratively, but it

2857
01:56:29,040 --> 01:56:31,119
has not reduced the case the workload on

2858
01:56:31,119 --> 01:56:33,760
my staff. So, right when I took when I

2859
01:56:33,760 --> 01:56:36,239
came or actually right before I came to

2860
01:56:36,239 --> 01:56:39,440
the court, we had two full-time people

2861
01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:41,119
when right before I started, they

2862
01:56:41,119 --> 01:56:44,320
reduced that to one and a half and we're

2863
01:56:44,320 --> 01:56:46,560
at one and a half, but we really need

2864
01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:49,199
two. And I've I looked at the budget.

2865
01:56:49,199 --> 01:56:52,400
I'm a realist and uh so we're at one and

2866
01:56:52,400 --> 01:56:55,760
a half, but I've asked that we look into

2867
01:56:55,760 --> 01:56:57,360
being able to bring on a second

2868
01:56:57,360 --> 01:57:00,080
part-time person before the next fiscal

2869
01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:02,000
year because I don't know that my

2870
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:04,480
current staff can handle the case load.

2871
01:57:04,480 --> 01:57:07,040
And uh the current one of the part-timer

2872
01:57:07,040 --> 01:57:08,560
that I have now is going to have to

2873
01:57:08,560 --> 01:57:11,280
transition to remote because she has to

2874
01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:12,960
relocate out of Grantsville City because

2875
01:57:12,960 --> 01:57:15,679
she can't continue to reside here and

2876
01:57:15,679 --> 01:57:18,719
work for part-time wages. Another added

2877
01:57:18,719 --> 01:57:20,400
thing that for you guys to consider, and

2878
01:57:20,400 --> 01:57:21,520
I'm giving all this information because

2879
01:57:21,520 --> 01:57:22,800
I don't know if you guys know anything

2880
01:57:22,800 --> 01:57:25,119
about the court or how we run or what's

2881
01:57:25,119 --> 01:57:28,639
what we do, but the judicial assistants,

2882
01:57:28,639 --> 01:57:30,400
it's pretty specialized. They have a lot

2883
01:57:30,400 --> 01:57:32,719
of training that they have to go through

2884
01:57:32,719 --> 01:57:35,760
to become pretty effic uh proficient and

2885
01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:38,639
it's been at least a year takes them at

2886
01:57:38,639 --> 01:57:40,239
least a year to get to where they're

2887
01:57:40,239 --> 01:57:42,480
really proficient where they can take

2888
01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:45,119
care of anything at any given time. So

2889
01:57:45,119 --> 01:57:48,400
to replace somebody like that is a is a

2890
01:57:48,400 --> 01:57:51,760
huge pull of resources or if we have to

2891
01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:54,159
do the timing uh training and I don't

2892
01:57:54,159 --> 01:57:56,480
have another person to do the training

2893
01:57:56,480 --> 01:57:58,560
if we have to get a new person. My

2894
01:57:58,560 --> 01:58:00,239
current full-timer would have to do that

2895
01:58:00,239 --> 01:58:02,400
and we don't have a budget for overtime

2896
01:58:02,400 --> 01:58:05,760
or anything like that. Um so all of that

2897
01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:07,520
needs I I would like you to take into

2898
01:58:07,520 --> 01:58:09,760
consideration what I'm asking for. My

2899
01:58:09,760 --> 01:58:11,280
ultimate ask would have been a full-time

2900
01:58:11,280 --> 01:58:13,840
person so that I could keep my c my

2901
01:58:13,840 --> 01:58:15,440
current other part-time judicial

2902
01:58:15,440 --> 01:58:18,080
assistant here in Gratzville. I

2903
01:58:18,080 --> 01:58:19,760
understand that's not working out. She's

2904
01:58:19,760 --> 01:58:20,960
going to make a transition. We're going

2905
01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:22,639
to make it work. But I really like you

2906
01:58:22,639 --> 01:58:24,400
to consider a second part-time position,

2907
01:58:24,400 --> 01:58:26,000
and I understand that city council has

2908
01:58:26,000 --> 01:58:27,360
to make a decision on that rather than

2909
01:58:27,360 --> 01:58:30,080
us just going and hiring. Um, beyond

2910
01:58:30,080 --> 01:58:34,639
that, our budget's extremely thin. Um,

2911
01:58:34,639 --> 01:58:37,360
we are very efficient over there. We try

2912
01:58:37,360 --> 01:58:39,760
to do everything electronically and uh

2913
01:58:39,760 --> 01:58:41,679
as little paper as possible. There are

2914
01:58:41,679 --> 01:58:43,199
some things that we can't get around.

2915
01:58:43,199 --> 01:58:46,800
So, our um supplies are low. Our parts

2916
01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:48,560
and equipment

2917
01:58:48,560 --> 01:58:53,360
um this this last year we actually did a

2918
01:58:53,360 --> 01:58:56,560
lot of expenditures the year before and

2919
01:58:56,560 --> 01:58:58,719
we sometimes try to make it work with

2920
01:58:58,719 --> 01:59:01,360
the police department. like we got last

2921
01:59:01,360 --> 01:59:03,599
year we got the um electronic

2922
01:59:03,599 --> 01:59:06,080
fingerprint machine that makes things

2923
01:59:06,080 --> 01:59:08,560
much more efficient for both departments

2924
01:59:08,560 --> 01:59:10,560
and we shared that as a budget. So

2925
01:59:10,560 --> 01:59:12,480
you'll see that that stays pretty low

2926
01:59:12,480 --> 01:59:14,880
but I don't I can't anticipate what's

2927
01:59:14,880 --> 01:59:16,800
coming next so I'd rather not reduce

2928
01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:18,960
that but we've reduced pretty much

2929
01:59:18,960 --> 01:59:21,760
everything else that we possibly can. Oh

2930
01:59:21,760 --> 01:59:23,199
I was starting to tell you about my

2931
01:59:23,199 --> 01:59:24,639
rates. So, when you see that the

2932
01:59:24,639 --> 01:59:26,480
workload went down, there's also on that

2933
01:59:26,480 --> 01:59:29,040
letter, it suggests what the pay is, and

2934
01:59:29,040 --> 01:59:30,400
it's less than what I'm currently

2935
01:59:30,400 --> 01:59:33,280
earning, but you can't change my pay

2936
01:59:33,280 --> 01:59:35,920
during a term. So, and it says that all

2937
01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:37,760
in the letter, so take a time to read

2938
01:59:37,760 --> 01:59:39,119
it. I don't know if you've gotten it,

2939
01:59:39,119 --> 01:59:42,080
but um just I'm putting that information

2940
01:59:42,080 --> 01:59:43,760
out there for you so you understand. And

2941
01:59:43,760 --> 01:59:45,760
you do have to do the same increase that

2942
01:59:45,760 --> 01:59:47,599
you would do for other employees in the

2943
01:59:47,599 --> 01:59:48,400
same department.

2944
01:59:48,400 --> 01:59:50,239
>> Okay. So, I do give you the

2945
01:59:50,239 --> 01:59:51,360
>> Yes. Okay.

2946
01:59:51,360 --> 01:59:52,400
>> Sorry about that.

2947
01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:53,679
>> You're good. I had it in there before

2948
01:59:53,679 --> 01:59:55,119
and then after this morning I was like,

2949
01:59:55,119 --> 01:59:56,719
"Oh, I'll take it out then."

2950
01:59:56,719 --> 01:59:58,800
>> Well, I did the math. It wasn't mathing

2951
01:59:58,800 --> 02:00:00,800
at 3% for the whole department. But

2952
02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:02,480
that's why I asked about it.

2953
02:00:02,480 --> 02:00:04,080
>> Do you have any questions? Do you want

2954
02:00:04,080 --> 02:00:05,119
me to clarify anything else?

2955
02:00:05,119 --> 02:00:06,560
>> I do. Where the baiff wages, where did

2956
02:00:06,560 --> 02:00:07,520
they go? They were

2957
02:00:07,520 --> 02:00:09,360
>> So, the baift wages are actually in the

2958
02:00:09,360 --> 02:00:11,599
police department's budget and I believe

2959
02:00:11,599 --> 02:00:13,040
that that's

2960
02:00:13,040 --> 02:00:15,360
>> Yeah. So, that just goes into the

2961
02:00:15,360 --> 02:00:16,560
overtime.

2962
02:00:16,560 --> 02:00:19,119
>> So, we Why is it not in the judicial

2963
02:00:19,119 --> 02:00:20,719
that money?

2964
02:00:20,719 --> 02:00:22,159
>> Can we put it in the judicial line? I

2965
02:00:22,159 --> 02:00:23,679
mean it was there before. Why did it get

2966
02:00:23,679 --> 02:00:25,520
>> you have to reduce it from the overtime

2967
02:00:25,520 --> 02:00:27,040
for the police and then

2968
02:00:27,040 --> 02:00:27,440
>> Oh,

2969
02:00:27,440 --> 02:00:28,880
>> that's where we pay for it.

2970
02:00:28,880 --> 02:00:30,000
>> Is the overtime budget for

2971
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:31,520
>> And my understanding is it all comes out

2972
02:00:31,520 --> 02:00:32,960
of the general fund. So it's

2973
02:00:32,960 --> 02:00:34,880
>> Does it really matter?

2974
02:00:34,880 --> 02:00:35,440
>> Does it What?

2975
02:00:35,440 --> 02:00:36,719
>> I said it doesn't really matter then.

2976
02:00:36,719 --> 02:00:37,520
You're saying because it all comes out

2977
02:00:37,520 --> 02:00:38,560
of the general fund whether we put it in

2978
02:00:38,560 --> 02:00:39,360
yours or theirs,

2979
02:00:39,360 --> 02:00:39,760
>> right?

2980
02:00:39,760 --> 02:00:40,000
>> Yeah.

2981
02:00:40,000 --> 02:00:42,159
>> And we have to they have to by statute

2982
02:00:42,159 --> 02:00:44,560
they have to provide us baifts and they

2983
02:00:44,560 --> 02:00:46,880
do. It's great. They I mean we never

2984
02:00:46,880 --> 02:00:48,800
have an issue. We always have the baift

2985
02:00:48,800 --> 02:00:50,800
support that we need. We always have

2986
02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:53,360
whatever transport we need. Um that's

2987
02:00:53,360 --> 02:00:55,920
working really well. How the finances

2988
02:00:55,920 --> 02:00:57,280
work is in my department.

2989
02:00:57,280 --> 02:00:58,719
>> Well, I guess like I guess it doesn't

2990
02:00:58,719 --> 02:00:59,760
really matter. As long as it's being

2991
02:00:59,760 --> 02:01:02,719
budgeted for, they know that they

2992
02:01:02,719 --> 02:01:04,719
>> which so I mean goes to another officer

2993
02:01:04,719 --> 02:01:05,840
when you've got people covering the

2994
02:01:05,840 --> 02:01:08,000
courts on a a day. That's another

2995
02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:09,679
officer you've got off the streets. And

2996
02:01:09,679 --> 02:01:11,360
it's not only one, you've got multiple

2997
02:01:11,360 --> 02:01:12,719
like because you have one coming in

2998
02:01:12,719 --> 02:01:15,280
doing at the front and then one How many

2999
02:01:15,280 --> 02:01:16,239
do you usually have?

3000
02:01:16,239 --> 02:01:18,639
>> Minimum two, but most of the time it

3001
02:01:18,639 --> 02:01:19,360
takes three.

3002
02:01:19,360 --> 02:01:21,040
>> Yeah. And it's cor once a week I think

3003
02:01:21,040 --> 02:01:21,520
right

3004
02:01:21,520 --> 02:01:23,119
>> that's that's correct we're typically

3005
02:01:23,119 --> 02:01:25,119
just in the morning we will have small

3006
02:01:25,119 --> 02:01:26,880
claims or trials in the afternoon on

3007
02:01:26,880 --> 02:01:30,639
Thursdays so since um when I came in

3008
02:01:30,639 --> 02:01:33,119
they were doing two or three days a week

3009
02:01:33,119 --> 02:01:35,520
uh now we're one day a week we made it

3010
02:01:35,520 --> 02:01:37,760
as efficient as possible uh also

3011
02:01:37,760 --> 02:01:40,320
thinking about attorney time so his

3012
02:01:40,320 --> 02:01:43,520
resources are are you know focused on

3013
02:01:43,520 --> 02:01:45,119
one day for our court and then he can

3014
02:01:45,119 --> 02:01:48,000
focus on city matters otherwise and the

3015
02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:49,920
same with

3016
02:01:49,920 --> 02:01:53,520
um legal defenders. So, I mean, I don't

3017
02:01:53,520 --> 02:01:54,880
know how much more efficient we could

3018
02:01:54,880 --> 02:01:56,239
possibly get.

3019
02:01:56,239 --> 02:01:59,440
>> As it grows, we may have to change and

3020
02:01:59,440 --> 02:02:01,840
we'll I'll evaluate as we go, but right

3021
02:02:01,840 --> 02:02:05,520
now it's working well.

3022
02:02:05,520 --> 02:02:06,960
>> So, you're asking the judicial is

3023
02:02:06,960 --> 02:02:08,239
another part-time. That's what you'd

3024
02:02:08,239 --> 02:02:09,040
really like to get.

3025
02:02:09,040 --> 02:02:11,119
>> Who do we have there right now? Valerie.

3026
02:02:11,119 --> 02:02:13,280
>> I have Valerie Barrett and uh Jordan

3027
02:02:13,280 --> 02:02:15,199
Courtney. Valerie's full-time and then

3028
02:02:15,199 --> 02:02:16,400
Jordan's part-time.

3029
02:02:16,400 --> 02:02:17,840
>> Okay.

3030
02:02:17,840 --> 02:02:20,480
And uh by sick statute we have to have

3031
02:02:20,480 --> 02:02:22,080
hours that were available to the public.

3032
02:02:22,080 --> 02:02:24,159
We're meeting those even with our the

3033
02:02:24,159 --> 02:02:28,080
way that we structure our time. Um so

3034
02:02:28,080 --> 02:02:30,480
>> what is the cost of that request

3035
02:02:30,480 --> 02:02:31,199
roughly?

3036
02:02:31,199 --> 02:02:34,239
>> So the cost of the request for the at

3037
02:02:34,239 --> 02:02:36,080
turning my part-timer into a full-time

3038
02:02:36,080 --> 02:02:38,639
was roughly 26,000 additional

3039
02:02:38,639 --> 02:02:39,920
>> 26. Okay.

3040
02:02:39,920 --> 02:02:41,920
>> And then so part-time person is probably

3041
02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:44,239
a little bit less than that. But that

3042
02:02:44,239 --> 02:02:45,440
was a conversation we had this morning,

3043
02:02:45,440 --> 02:02:46,480
so I didn't have time to put that

3044
02:02:46,480 --> 02:02:48,560
together for you. The other uh unique

3045
02:02:48,560 --> 02:02:50,239
thing about me and my position is I'm

3046
02:02:50,239 --> 02:02:54,719
the only part-time director. So,

3047
02:02:54,719 --> 02:02:56,480
I'm happy to answer questions and come

3048
02:02:56,480 --> 02:02:59,040
to things when I can, but I'm also still

3049
02:02:59,040 --> 02:03:01,360
working full-time and other endeavors.

3050
02:03:01,360 --> 02:03:04,960
So, any other questions?

3051
02:03:04,960 --> 02:03:06,080
>> Thank you, Judge.

3052
02:03:06,080 --> 02:03:08,800
>> Thank you. Thank you.

3053
02:03:08,800 --> 02:03:11,199
>> Can we take a quick break? Yeah. Five

3054
02:03:11,199 --> 02:03:15,030
minutes. [laughter]

3055
02:03:15,040 --> 02:09:03,109
They have a five minute adjournment.

3056
02:09:03,119 --> 02:09:04,159
I will.

3057
02:09:04,159 --> 02:09:08,950
>> You ready, Alicia?

3058
02:09:08,960 --> 02:09:11,040
» Okay, we are back in our special work

3059
02:09:11,040 --> 02:09:14,960
meeting. And do we have another

3060
02:09:14,960 --> 02:09:17,599
Oh, Chief Sager is going to give some

3061
02:09:17,599 --> 02:09:20,529
information.

3062
02:09:20,529 --> 02:09:21,839
>> [snorts]

3063
02:09:21,839 --> 02:09:24,629
[clears throat]

3064
02:09:24,639 --> 02:09:27,520
» up a little bit.

3065
02:09:27,520 --> 02:09:29,920
We reduce this a little bit, but uh some

3066
02:09:29,920 --> 02:09:32,880
of the the cost here, the public, um

3067
02:09:32,880 --> 02:09:35,119
donates a lot of food and and resources

3068
02:09:35,119 --> 02:09:36,560
to the shelter. So, that's why we're

3069
02:09:36,560 --> 02:09:39,040
able to keep that price down. So, that's

3070
02:09:39,040 --> 02:09:43,920
significant. And then, um our officers,

3071
02:09:43,920 --> 02:09:46,320
this is a part-time position. the

3072
02:09:46,320 --> 02:09:50,480
officers take care of the animals when they're not there. And so that's

3073
02:09:50,480 --> 02:09:52,320
kind of a hidden cost as well, what

3074
02:09:52,320 --> 02:09:53,920
they're cleaning the kennels, walking

3075
02:09:53,920 --> 02:09:56,159
them, and doing all the stuff when we

3076
02:09:56,159 --> 02:10:00,239
don't have him. But uh

3077
02:10:00,239 --> 02:10:04,239
and that's pretty slim budget. So

3078
02:10:04,239 --> 02:10:05,440
>> yes, it is

3079
02:10:05,440 --> 02:10:08,079
>> for a to run the run our own animal

3080
02:10:08,079 --> 02:10:10,480
shelter. That's but that that hidden

3081
02:10:10,480 --> 02:10:11,920
cost is within the the police

3082
02:10:11,920 --> 02:10:13,920
department. They usually go out there

3083
02:10:13,920 --> 02:10:15,840
like twice a day or something like

3084
02:10:15,840 --> 02:10:18,800
>> morning, night, clean. Um, and make sure

3085
02:10:18,800 --> 02:10:21,040
to feed them, clean them, walk them.

3086
02:10:21,040 --> 02:10:22,800
Yeah.

3087
02:10:22,800 --> 02:10:24,480
>> How much were you proposing to put in

3088
02:10:24,480 --> 02:10:27,199
the capital project savings fund this

3089
02:10:27,199 --> 02:10:28,800
last week? There was a there was an

3090
02:10:28,800 --> 02:10:29,760
amount. I

3091
02:10:29,760 --> 02:10:31,520
>> think Michael had suggested 2 million.

3092
02:10:31,520 --> 02:10:33,119
>> We need to build a new building because

3093
02:10:33,119 --> 02:10:34,719
right now it's at the sewer treatment

3094
02:10:34,719 --> 02:10:36,560
plant building location.

3095
02:10:36,560 --> 02:10:36,880
>> Yeah.

3096
02:10:36,880 --> 02:10:38,800
>> When we have the new plant in operation

3097
02:10:38,800 --> 02:10:41,040
in two years. So, we need to start

3098
02:10:41,040 --> 02:10:42,560
contemplating how we're going to pay for

3099
02:10:42,560 --> 02:10:44,719
that. Whether it's a bond that we pay

3100
02:10:44,719 --> 02:10:47,199
for that or start saving up now, pay for

3101
02:10:47,199 --> 02:10:49,679
a new building or trying to coordinate

3102
02:10:49,679 --> 02:10:52,079
efforts with the county and twilla to do

3103
02:10:52,079 --> 02:10:54,560
a another joint animal shelter and

3104
02:10:54,560 --> 02:10:57,360
whether that go takes a lot of risk. We

3105
02:10:57,360 --> 02:11:00,079
increase that pay towards that. We're

3106
02:11:00,079 --> 02:11:02,000
still in the very beginning stages of

3107
02:11:02,000 --> 02:11:04,239
that. We just need to be aware that that

3108
02:11:04,239 --> 02:11:06,239
is on the horizon.

3109
02:11:06,239 --> 02:11:07,760
>> That we're probably calling your capital

3110
02:11:07,760 --> 02:11:10,239
projects fund as well. So that could be

3111
02:11:10,239 --> 02:11:12,800
a use of water

3112
02:11:12,800 --> 02:11:14,239
as well

3113
02:11:14,239 --> 02:11:16,000
>> potentially.

3114
02:11:16,000 --> 02:11:17,760
>> I've instructed

3115
02:11:17,760 --> 02:11:19,119
>> and if you put that number in there,

3116
02:11:19,119 --> 02:11:20,400
that's where we'd have to take it from.

3117
02:11:20,400 --> 02:11:22,320
We'd have to we'd have to put something

3118
02:11:22,320 --> 02:11:24,639
up in revenue to cover.

3119
02:11:24,639 --> 02:11:26,480
>> We would want to put it in the capital

3120
02:11:26,480 --> 02:11:29,840
fund one with the 18 million. Otherwise,

3121
02:11:29,840 --> 02:11:31,360
the property tax it would just

3122
02:11:31,360 --> 02:11:32,880
>> Yeah. shoot it through the roof.

3123
02:11:32,880 --> 02:11:34,239
>> Yeah.

3124
02:11:34,239 --> 02:11:38,880
>> Even larger, which we can't do. So yes,

3125
02:11:38,880 --> 02:11:40,239
>> it's the same thing with the fire

3126
02:11:40,239 --> 02:11:42,079
department and a new ladder truck.

3127
02:11:42,079 --> 02:11:42,480
>> Yes.

3128
02:11:42,480 --> 02:11:46,229
>> Correct.

3129
02:11:46,239 --> 02:11:47,679
» And then the same I mean the animal

3130
02:11:47,679 --> 02:11:48,960
control, we could use a full-time

3131
02:11:48,960 --> 02:11:50,880
person, right? And that's that's

3132
02:11:50,880 --> 02:11:53,040
outlined, but where we're at with the

3133
02:11:53,040 --> 02:11:55,360
budget is the the officers are just

3134
02:11:55,360 --> 02:11:56,960
going to have to keep doing what they're

3135
02:11:56,960 --> 02:11:58,880
doing. And then I wanted to make sure on

3136
02:11:58,880 --> 02:12:00,480
the police budget I sent the information

3137
02:12:00,480 --> 02:12:02,719
over. I didn't go into what we needed. I

3138
02:12:02,719 --> 02:12:04,480
thought I'd share that last week just so

3139
02:12:04,480 --> 02:12:05,840
you guys have the information and kind

3140
02:12:05,840 --> 02:12:08,000
of see. So if you have questions on

3141
02:12:08,000 --> 02:12:09,599
that, I would I was hoping to answer

3142
02:12:09,599 --> 02:12:11,760
them here if you but as long as you got

3143
02:12:11,760 --> 02:12:14,400
the information was my concern. But that

3144
02:12:14,400 --> 02:12:17,840
should tie up my budgets. So yeah,

3145
02:12:17,840 --> 02:12:18,719
>> thank you.

3146
02:12:18,719 --> 02:12:20,159
>> Yeah, I think we've gone through most of

3147
02:12:20,159 --> 02:12:22,239
that. I know we could hit now just our

3148
02:12:22,239 --> 02:12:24,159
city hall general government budget

3149
02:12:24,159 --> 02:12:27,599
line. Um but looking through here, I

3150
02:12:27,599 --> 02:12:32,880
think we've heard from everyone else. So

3151
02:12:32,880 --> 02:12:34,719
>> guess the

3152
02:12:34,719 --> 02:12:37,280
>> Oh yeah. Yeah, good point. Okay,

3153
02:12:37,280 --> 02:12:38,239
>> start with that.

3154
02:12:38,239 --> 02:12:39,599
>> Okay, so we do have our community

3155
02:12:39,599 --> 02:12:43,679
relations budget which is basically our

3156
02:12:43,679 --> 02:12:45,920
budget that allows Grantsville City to

3157
02:12:45,920 --> 02:12:47,840
participate in community events. So this

3158
02:12:47,840 --> 02:12:49,360
is where you'll find our Fourth of July

3159
02:12:49,360 --> 02:12:51,840
budget, our donation to things such as

3160
02:12:51,840 --> 02:12:54,880
the Grantville socialable, the CJC. We

3161
02:12:54,880 --> 02:12:56,880
do have a small Grantsville High School

3162
02:12:56,880 --> 02:12:58,480
scholarship, the Bears family

3163
02:12:58,480 --> 02:13:01,520
scholarship. Um, this is where we also

3164
02:13:01,520 --> 02:13:03,599
now have the rodeo.

3165
02:13:03,599 --> 02:13:07,040
Um, you know, we had we did include your

3166
02:13:07,040 --> 02:13:08,960
guys' training. We moved this from the

3167
02:13:08,960 --> 02:13:11,920
general fund city budget to this one

3168
02:13:11,920 --> 02:13:15,040
just because this is mayor council

3169
02:13:15,040 --> 02:13:16,800
more rather than we didn't want it to

3170
02:13:16,800 --> 02:13:19,440
get mixed in with city staff. We just

3171
02:13:19,440 --> 02:13:21,520
wanted to separate it out. So,

3172
02:13:21,520 --> 02:13:23,920
>> and we did reduce the small business

3173
02:13:23,920 --> 02:13:24,960
alliance.

3174
02:13:24,960 --> 02:13:26,880
>> Yeah. So, Michael did renegotiate that.

3175
02:13:26,880 --> 02:13:28,560
So now we are still supporting and

3176
02:13:28,560 --> 02:13:31,520
contributing to this. It's just at a

3177
02:13:31,520 --> 02:13:34,159
lesser a little lower level. We have

3178
02:13:34,159 --> 02:13:36,719
>> unless council wants to keep it as is.

3179
02:13:36,719 --> 02:13:36,960
But

3180
02:13:36,960 --> 02:13:37,520
>> yeah,

3181
02:13:37,520 --> 02:13:41,119
>> talking to them, Tilla and the county

3182
02:13:41,119 --> 02:13:45,119
pay 20,000 each. And I figured that

3183
02:13:45,119 --> 02:13:47,599
because we're proportionately smaller of

3184
02:13:47,599 --> 02:13:49,760
a city, we should definitely have a

3185
02:13:49,760 --> 02:13:53,520
smaller portion of that contribution.

3186
02:13:53,520 --> 02:13:56,000
They'll still be providing services for

3187
02:13:56,000 --> 02:13:58,159
us for our small our small businesses

3188
02:13:58,159 --> 02:14:00,239
and different things like that, but

3189
02:14:00,239 --> 02:14:02,880
we'll be um we'll need to notify them

3190
02:14:02,880 --> 02:14:04,719
this what the amount the council wants

3191
02:14:04,719 --> 02:14:07,920
to reduce to let them know that so they

3192
02:14:07,920 --> 02:14:10,320
can have that in their budget

3193
02:14:10,320 --> 02:14:13,040
or you can reduce it. Nothing. I still

3194
02:14:13,040 --> 02:14:15,199
feel like the value of what they bring

3195
02:14:15,199 --> 02:14:17,280
to our small businesses here is

3196
02:14:17,280 --> 02:14:20,390
important.

3197
02:14:20,400 --> 02:14:22,079
» One thing to note is the employee

3198
02:14:22,079 --> 02:14:24,320
appreciation line. So um this is

3199
02:14:24,320 --> 02:14:26,079
separate from our department employee

3200
02:14:26,079 --> 02:14:28,159
appreciation. So this is what funds the

3201
02:14:28,159 --> 02:14:33,280
annual um Christmas party for

3202
02:14:33,280 --> 02:14:35,360
the city employees for the city staff

3203
02:14:35,360 --> 02:14:37,280
the little lunchon that we did last year

3204
02:14:37,280 --> 02:14:39,360
along with like the city like the

3205
02:14:39,360 --> 02:14:41,679
voucher to go to Soulberg or Macy's or

3206
02:14:41,679 --> 02:14:45,840
CAM or whatever. And then there's also a

3207
02:14:45,840 --> 02:14:47,520
buffer in there for employee

3208
02:14:47,520 --> 02:14:50,320
appreciation lunches should that take

3209
02:14:50,320 --> 02:14:52,719
event. And then also an option maybe

3210
02:14:52,719 --> 02:14:54,560
potentially for a small summer event,

3211
02:14:54,560 --> 02:14:57,440
but majority of that is the Christmas

3212
02:14:57,440 --> 02:14:58,400
party.

3213
02:14:58,400 --> 02:15:01,199
>> It does take up a substantial

3214
02:15:01,199 --> 02:15:02,960
amount.

3215
02:15:02,960 --> 02:15:05,040
>> I'm not seeing any what we donated to

3216
02:15:05,040 --> 02:15:08,000
the stock show. We bought as a we bought

3217
02:15:08,000 --> 02:15:10,719
a pig and a sheep from a Grantsville

3218
02:15:10,719 --> 02:15:12,800
youth group. So that's included in

3219
02:15:12,800 --> 02:15:14,719
community relations. So you'll see over

3220
02:15:14,719 --> 02:15:17,599
here that community relations

3221
02:15:17,599 --> 02:15:22,480
there may Yeah. So that that's what that

3222
02:15:22,480 --> 02:15:24,560
budget is used for. So that's what's

3223
02:15:24,560 --> 02:15:27,280
justifying the 10,000 and then it had a

3224
02:15:27,280 --> 02:15:29,360
3% increase that made a 103, but that's

3225
02:15:29,360 --> 02:15:34,550
what it's spent on is those items.

3226
02:15:34,560 --> 02:15:36,000
» I have a question on employee tuition

3227
02:15:36,000 --> 02:15:37,520
reimbursement. is that if everybody

3228
02:15:37,520 --> 02:15:39,199
suddenly decides go to school, do we

3229
02:15:39,199 --> 02:15:40,320
have to pay? Can we

3230
02:15:40,320 --> 02:15:41,199
>> first come first serve

3231
02:15:41,199 --> 02:15:42,480
>> first? And then that's it. That's your

3232
02:15:42,480 --> 02:15:43,679
budget. You're done.

3233
02:15:43,679 --> 02:15:46,790
>> Yeah.

3234
02:15:46,800 --> 02:15:48,639
» Um and then will you have eliminated on

3235
02:15:48,639 --> 02:15:51,119
the rodeo? But is it is the 25,000 in

3236
02:15:51,119 --> 02:15:52,800
the budget or not?

3237
02:15:52,800 --> 02:15:54,719
>> So that has changed since this morning

3238
02:15:54,719 --> 02:15:57,360
to this afternoon to this morning. It's

3239
02:15:57,360 --> 02:16:01,280
gone back and forth a lot. So um that we

3240
02:16:01,280 --> 02:16:04,880
would appreciate council's advice on.

3241
02:16:04,880 --> 02:16:07,520
Um, I do think based on the interest

3242
02:16:07,520 --> 02:16:09,760
that we've gauged, it would be nice to

3243
02:16:09,760 --> 02:16:11,199
assume that every year we're going to

3244
02:16:11,199 --> 02:16:12,960
have sponsors to cover the cost of the

3245
02:16:12,960 --> 02:16:16,079
rodeo. Um,

3246
02:16:16,079 --> 02:16:18,639
but I similar to with grants, I do think

3247
02:16:18,639 --> 02:16:21,679
that it I have a hard time planning an

3248
02:16:21,679 --> 02:16:23,040
event knowing that we don't have budget

3249
02:16:23,040 --> 02:16:26,079
in there. And so it would eventually

3250
02:16:26,079 --> 02:16:28,960
potentially hopefully be a wash. Um, but

3251
02:16:28,960 --> 02:16:30,239
it's hard to know what the continued

3252
02:16:30,239 --> 02:16:32,399
support will be for the event in future

3253
02:16:32,399 --> 02:16:34,000
years where this year it has gotten a

3254
02:16:34,000 --> 02:16:36,080
huge support. Um, you know, we're

3255
02:16:36,080 --> 02:16:37,599
bringing it back. It's our first year

3256
02:16:37,599 --> 02:16:40,880
back. Um, and Shelby has done amazing to

3257
02:16:40,880 --> 02:16:42,880
get the sponsors for that. Um,

3258
02:16:42,880 --> 02:16:45,200
>> so to be sure this the rodeo for this

3259
02:16:45,200 --> 02:16:47,760
25,000 would cover a stock contract and

3260
02:16:47,760 --> 02:16:49,280
a clown

3261
02:16:49,280 --> 02:16:51,679
>> um, and then that's it. So, of course,

3262
02:16:51,679 --> 02:16:54,000
we would like to get sponsors and reduce

3263
02:16:54,000 --> 02:16:56,399
that cost down, but then we also have

3264
02:16:56,399 --> 02:16:58,639
other costs, you know, that are incurred

3265
02:16:58,639 --> 02:17:00,240
with that. You know, we have portable

3266
02:17:00,240 --> 02:17:02,309
restrooms that are being brought in to

3267
02:17:02,309 --> 02:17:03,519
[clears throat] meet the requirements

3268
02:17:03,519 --> 02:17:05,280
for the mass gathering. We have to get

3269
02:17:05,280 --> 02:17:08,240
permits, mass gathering permits and um

3270
02:17:08,240 --> 02:17:10,880
special event permits. Um we also have

3271
02:17:10,880 --> 02:17:12,960
to pay to have

3272
02:17:12,960 --> 02:17:15,439
um like EMTs there.

3273
02:17:15,439 --> 02:17:15,920
>> Yeah.

3274
02:17:15,920 --> 02:17:17,200
>> Just different things that end up

3275
02:17:17,200 --> 02:17:18,800
coming. That is a cost

3276
02:17:18,800 --> 02:17:21,840
>> for the police. Yeah. So the 25,000, you

3277
02:17:21,840 --> 02:17:23,280
know, and parks, facilities,

3278
02:17:23,280 --> 02:17:23,679
maintenance,

3279
02:17:23,679 --> 02:17:25,760
>> a lot of those are not.

3280
02:17:25,760 --> 02:17:27,679
>> Yeah. So the 25,000 is just the stock

3281
02:17:27,679 --> 02:17:29,679
contractor at the time.

3282
02:17:29,679 --> 02:17:33,280
>> So where's the revenue anticipated

3283
02:17:33,280 --> 02:17:35,439
to to get from that event from ticket

3284
02:17:35,439 --> 02:17:38,000
sales and from donations in the in the

3285
02:17:38,000 --> 02:17:39,599
lineup above?

3286
02:17:39,599 --> 02:17:42,000
>> So where's where's that where where's

3287
02:17:42,000 --> 02:17:43,200
that even out?

3288
02:17:43,200 --> 02:17:43,920
>> Yeah. So

3289
02:17:43,920 --> 02:17:47,920
>> So it's not just a negative, right?

3290
02:17:47,920 --> 02:17:50,080
Were

3291
02:17:50,080 --> 02:17:55,030
you taking that into into account?

3292
02:17:55,040 --> 02:17:58,960
» So right now it does not I Oh, right

3293
02:17:58,960 --> 02:18:03,750
here.

3294
02:18:03,760 --> 02:18:07,920
So it's budgeted for revenue at 35,000.

3295
02:18:07,920 --> 02:18:10,880
So and it's

3296
02:18:10,880 --> 02:18:13,040
I hope that that's all we get. That

3297
02:18:13,040 --> 02:18:14,319
would that is an estimate. And it's

3298
02:18:14,319 --> 02:18:16,080
really hard because we don't we haven't

3299
02:18:16,080 --> 02:18:17,760
even finished this year yet and we don't

3300
02:18:17,760 --> 02:18:19,599
have the previous year's data to go off

3301
02:18:19,599 --> 02:18:24,479
of. But I do have 35,000 budgeted there.

3302
02:18:24,479 --> 02:18:26,399
>> So according to this, it pays for itself

3303
02:18:26,399 --> 02:18:28,000
according to what you have on paper.

3304
02:18:28,000 --> 02:18:29,040
>> Yeah. And plus 10

3305
02:18:29,040 --> 02:18:30,399
>> plus $10,000.

3306
02:18:30,399 --> 02:18:30,880
>> Yeah.

3307
02:18:30,880 --> 02:18:32,160
>> But this year, do we have the stock

3308
02:18:32,160 --> 02:18:34,160
contract in the in the closing?

3309
02:18:34,160 --> 02:18:34,719
>> No, we do.

3310
02:18:34,719 --> 02:18:35,040
>> Yeah.

3311
02:18:35,040 --> 02:18:38,000
And the plan

3312
02:18:38,000 --> 02:18:39,200
>> and the donations.

3313
02:18:39,200 --> 02:18:40,559
Yeah. It's fully

3314
02:18:40,559 --> 02:18:42,719
funded this year.

3315
02:18:42,719 --> 02:18:44,080
>> With extra. So

3316
02:18:44,080 --> 02:18:45,840
>> to help repair the

3317
02:18:45,840 --> 02:18:48,160
>> the stuff.

3318
02:18:48,160 --> 02:18:48,719
>> Yeah.

3319
02:18:48,719 --> 02:18:49,760
There's been a lot of

3320
02:18:49,760 --> 02:18:50,559
improvements.

3321
02:18:50,559 --> 02:18:51,679
>> Lots of improvements.

3322
02:18:51,679 --> 02:18:52,719
>> Community support.

3323
02:18:52,719 --> 02:18:54,639
>> Lots of donations. Yeah. It's been

3324
02:18:54,639 --> 02:18:55,439
incredible.

3325
02:18:55,439 --> 02:18:57,599
>> Yeah.

3326
02:18:57,599 --> 02:19:00,639
>> Lots of volunteering.

3327
02:19:00,639 --> 02:19:01,359
>> It's been

3328
02:19:01,359 --> 02:19:02,719
>> They're out there tonight picking up

3329
02:19:02,719 --> 02:19:03,359
frogs.

3330
02:19:03,359 --> 02:19:04,399
>> They were there Saturday. [laughter]

3331
02:19:04,399 --> 02:19:07,416
They were there Saturday.

3332
02:19:07,416 --> 02:19:15,910
[clears throat]

3333
02:19:15,920 --> 02:19:17,359
Oh yeah. Did you guys have any more

3334
02:19:17,359 --> 02:19:19,200
questions about this one? I guess before

3335
02:19:19,200 --> 02:19:46,389
we move on.

3336
02:19:46,399 --> 02:19:53,110
So, and then our last one is

3337
02:19:53,120 --> 02:19:56,640
» Tyson is online.

3338
02:19:56,640 --> 02:19:59,200
We did adjust the location of where we

3339
02:19:59,200 --> 02:20:02,160
put up, please.

3340
02:20:02,160 --> 02:20:03,600
>> Yeah. So, we can talk about this. This

3341
02:20:03,600 --> 02:20:06,560
goes in hand in hand with our

3342
02:20:06,560 --> 02:20:08,640
um so I'll talk and then we can see if

3343
02:20:08,640 --> 02:20:11,120
Tyson wants to say something, but we had

3344
02:20:11,120 --> 02:20:13,760
this legal services line

3345
02:20:13,760 --> 02:20:17,840
previously in the city hall budget. Um

3346
02:20:17,840 --> 02:20:21,040
then last year, so fiscal year 26 was

3347
02:20:21,040 --> 02:20:24,240
the first year that legal had its own

3348
02:20:24,240 --> 02:20:26,240
department budget. So previously it was

3349
02:20:26,240 --> 02:20:29,120
all in here. So last year they didn't

3350
02:20:29,120 --> 02:20:31,200
budget for anything in legal services in

3351
02:20:31,200 --> 02:20:34,080
the city hall. However, we have spent

3352
02:20:34,080 --> 02:20:38,160
out of it. Um and so for next year we

3353
02:20:38,160 --> 02:20:40,560
did put in a small amount for our

3354
02:20:40,560 --> 02:20:44,000
recorder to use for a water attorney for

3355
02:20:44,000 --> 02:20:46,720
water credit, water shares, water

3356
02:20:46,720 --> 02:20:49,120
rights. I'm not the water person, so I'm

3357
02:20:49,120 --> 02:20:51,200
probably say whatever she uses in her

3358
02:20:51,200 --> 02:20:52,160
water. [laughter]

3359
02:20:52,160 --> 02:20:56,479
Um, and then we did do [snorts] in legal

3360
02:20:56,479 --> 02:20:59,040
services in our legal department's

3361
02:20:59,040 --> 02:21:03,439
budget, we did increase that to

3362
02:21:03,439 --> 02:21:06,080
cover basically we have high legal

3363
02:21:06,080 --> 02:21:08,399
expenses, a lot of litigations that are

3364
02:21:08,399 --> 02:21:11,120
ongoing right now. Um, as Tyson

3365
02:21:11,120 --> 02:21:13,040
mentioned in our meeting this morning,

3366
02:21:13,040 --> 02:21:15,200
you know, kind of depending on how these

3367
02:21:15,200 --> 02:21:17,359
litigations start to fall, like we could

3368
02:21:17,359 --> 02:21:19,760
be done with some of them soon and that

3369
02:21:19,760 --> 02:21:22,720
would no longer be an expense. It's just

3370
02:21:22,720 --> 02:21:24,960
hard to know kind of how they're going.

3371
02:21:24,960 --> 02:21:27,120
So,

3372
02:21:27,120 --> 02:21:29,120
but for transparency, I want to budget

3373
02:21:29,120 --> 02:21:31,359
an appropriate amount rather than

3374
02:21:31,359 --> 02:21:33,520
underbudgeting and continuously going

3375
02:21:33,520 --> 02:21:36,800
over budget. So that's the number we

3376
02:21:36,800 --> 02:21:39,040
fell on felt like was appropriate to

3377
02:21:39,040 --> 02:21:42,000
account for the city hall as well as

3378
02:21:42,000 --> 02:21:43,439
legal services within the legal

3379
02:21:43,439 --> 02:21:46,800
department. Um this amount might seem

3380
02:21:46,800 --> 02:21:48,640
low for their salaries and wages but

3381
02:21:48,640 --> 02:21:51,600
again the legal staff is split out

3382
02:21:51,600 --> 02:21:53,439
across various department budgets

3383
02:21:53,439 --> 02:21:55,600
because they assist

3384
02:21:55,600 --> 02:21:56,240
>> everybody

3385
02:21:56,240 --> 02:21:58,880
>> everyone. Um and then of course their

3386
02:21:58,880 --> 02:22:01,680
benefits office. So back to that,

3387
02:22:01,680 --> 02:22:02,080
>> sorry.

3388
02:22:02,080 --> 02:22:04,268
>> So I thought that that that was in

3389
02:22:04,268 --> 02:22:06,080
[clears throat] those other budget line

3390
02:22:06,080 --> 02:22:12,080
items. Um so in addition to what what we

3391
02:22:12,080 --> 02:22:14,479
have here, you have other monies set

3392
02:22:14,479 --> 02:22:17,600
aside in in different departments for

3393
02:22:17,600 --> 02:22:19,600
the legal department to assist them.

3394
02:22:19,600 --> 02:22:21,680
Like for instance, Bill's department,

3395
02:22:21,680 --> 02:22:24,240
which he assists quite often with with

3396
02:22:24,240 --> 02:22:25,600
his

3397
02:22:25,600 --> 02:22:28,960
>> So they don't pay. So just in the salary

3398
02:22:28,960 --> 02:22:30,640
line. So basically Kaisen

3399
02:22:30,640 --> 02:22:32,560
proportionately split out into like

3400
02:22:32,560 --> 02:22:34,000
building and community development,

3401
02:22:34,000 --> 02:22:35,680
water, sewer, garbage

3402
02:22:35,680 --> 02:22:37,120
>> in addition to this line item right

3403
02:22:37,120 --> 02:22:37,520
here.

3404
02:22:37,520 --> 02:22:38,479
>> Yes.

3405
02:22:38,479 --> 02:22:40,880
>> How many people do we have in it? Just

3406
02:22:40,880 --> 02:22:42,880
>> um it's three. So we have Tyson and then

3407
02:22:42,880 --> 02:22:44,080
two staff.

3408
02:22:44,080 --> 02:22:46,188
>> Okay.

3409
02:22:46,188 --> 02:22:46,844
[cough]

3410
02:22:46,844 --> 02:22:47,920
[clears throat]

3411
02:22:47,920 --> 02:22:50,640
>> Um their office supply did go down, you

3412
02:22:50,640 --> 02:22:52,640
know, just reducing their accuracy.

3413
02:22:52,640 --> 02:22:56,240
Their computer software went down. Um

3414
02:22:56,240 --> 02:22:58,319
art supplies went down. We got rid of

3415
02:22:58,319 --> 02:23:02,240
their CDs why um we mentioned legal

3416
02:23:02,240 --> 02:23:03,920
services

3417
02:23:03,920 --> 02:23:07,280
um internet did go up 3% it's you know

3418
02:23:07,280 --> 02:23:10,240
average they're paying for mobile 56

3419
02:23:10,240 --> 02:23:11,680
employee appreciation is their three

3420
02:23:11,680 --> 02:23:14,800
employees and then we did adjust that

3421
02:23:14,800 --> 02:23:31,990
down for accuracy and then

3422
02:23:32,000 --> 02:23:35,280
So the big item is lily line 165 legal

3423
02:23:35,280 --> 02:23:38,000
services and moving that from up above

3424
02:23:38,000 --> 02:23:41,359
to there and you guys fell on that 185

3425
02:23:41,359 --> 02:23:42,800
number.

3426
02:23:42,800 --> 02:23:44,640
>> Do you do you feel like that that number

3427
02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:47,439
could could be any less?

3428
02:23:47,439 --> 02:23:49,040
>> I mean it definitely could be more. I

3429
02:23:49,040 --> 02:23:51,120
mean I I get it. I understand. But

3430
02:23:51,120 --> 02:23:52,560
>> I think depending on the current

3431
02:23:52,560 --> 02:23:54,720
litigations and the possibility of going

3432
02:23:54,720 --> 02:24:00,550
to appeal, I don't think so.

3433
02:24:00,560 --> 02:24:02,800
» That's a great question. Council member

3434
02:24:02,800 --> 02:24:05,040
Butler, this is Tyson online. Can you

3435
02:24:05,040 --> 02:24:06,160
hear me now?

3436
02:24:06,160 --> 02:24:08,080
>> Yeah.

3437
02:24:08,080 --> 02:24:11,200
>> Terrific. Um, so we when looking at

3438
02:24:11,200 --> 02:24:13,920
these uh legal services, those that that

3439
02:24:13,920 --> 02:24:15,680
is sort of a number that's that's hard

3440
02:24:15,680 --> 02:24:19,680
to target. Um, you know, I I I mentioned

3441
02:24:19,680 --> 02:24:21,359
this morning, well, we don't know if

3442
02:24:21,359 --> 02:24:24,000
that number should be 300,000 or if it

3443
02:24:24,000 --> 02:24:28,720
should be 150,000. Um, we're obviously

3444
02:24:28,720 --> 02:24:30,960
trying to shoot for the lowest amount

3445
02:24:30,960 --> 02:24:34,240
possible on that. And part of what we do

3446
02:24:34,240 --> 02:24:37,600
is in in in the legal department is we

3447
02:24:37,600 --> 02:24:39,600
uh, you know, not only respond to

3448
02:24:39,600 --> 02:24:41,600
problems after they happen, but what we

3449
02:24:41,600 --> 02:24:43,600
try to do is reduce the amount of legal

3450
02:24:43,600 --> 02:24:47,040
resources that we expend on. um

3451
02:24:47,040 --> 02:24:50,080
liability on on on behalf of the city.

3452
02:24:50,080 --> 02:24:54,080
We we try to um advise the different

3453
02:24:54,080 --> 02:24:55,840
departments on ways that we can reduce

3454
02:24:55,840 --> 02:24:58,880
risk. Um and that that's a hard number

3455
02:24:58,880 --> 02:25:02,000
to quantify as to how much we've uh

3456
02:25:02,000 --> 02:25:05,840
avoided by by uh spending the the the

3457
02:25:05,840 --> 02:25:08,319
legal resources where we have. Um but

3458
02:25:08,319 --> 02:25:11,840
with the the the legal services, there's always going to be some need for

3459
02:25:11,840 --> 02:25:16,160
it. Um the uh practice of municipal law

3460
02:25:16,160 --> 02:25:18,640
is is quite varied and so there there is

3461
02:25:18,640 --> 02:25:20,800
always going to be a need for bond

3462
02:25:20,800 --> 02:25:24,000
specialists, for water specialists, um

3463
02:25:24,000 --> 02:25:26,640
land use specialists from time to time,

3464
02:25:26,640 --> 02:25:33,920
litigators, um but um with that um

3465
02:25:33,920 --> 02:25:35,600
that that number will likely come down.

3466
02:25:35,600 --> 02:25:36,960
I' I've been looking around at some

3467
02:25:36,960 --> 02:25:40,160
cities of similar size. Um, Heber City,

3468
02:25:40,160 --> 02:25:42,880
for example, in 2025,

3469
02:25:42,880 --> 02:25:45,840
they had budgeted about $150,000 for

3470
02:25:45,840 --> 02:25:48,240
their uh legal services budget out of

3471
02:25:48,240 --> 02:25:51,280
their legal department. And uh this year

3472
02:25:51,280 --> 02:25:53,439
they they've budgeted much much much

3473
02:25:53,439 --> 02:25:54,960
less than that. And so their their

3474
02:25:54,960 --> 02:25:57,520
budget has gone quite down quite a bit.

3475
02:25:57,520 --> 02:25:59,040
I would imagine it's because they had

3476
02:25:59,040 --> 02:26:00,800
some major litigation that had been

3477
02:26:00,800 --> 02:26:03,760
resolved. So to the extent we're able to

3478
02:26:03,760 --> 02:26:05,520
resolve some some of the litigation that

3479
02:26:05,520 --> 02:26:07,359
we're going through and not replace it

3480
02:26:07,359 --> 02:26:14,000
with new litigation um you know that that number will go down. Um

3481
02:26:14,000 --> 02:26:17,120
beyond that um to to sort of echo what

3482
02:26:17,120 --> 02:26:22,399
Judge Tobam has has mentioned we've noticed an increase year to date

3483
02:26:22,399 --> 02:26:25,439
from last year in in prosecution cases.

3484
02:26:25,439 --> 02:26:27,920
So, we're up 69%

3485
02:26:27,920 --> 02:26:30,240
over last year in in cases that we're

3486
02:26:30,240 --> 02:26:33,600
prosecuting. Um, that's that's pretty

3487
02:26:33,600 --> 02:26:35,920
significant. That means that about half

3488
02:26:35,920 --> 02:26:37,600
of our resources are going towards

3489
02:26:37,600 --> 02:26:40,080
prosecution. While I only spend about

3490
02:26:40,080 --> 02:26:43,280
one day in court doing prosecution work,

3491
02:26:43,280 --> 02:26:48,800
um, our our our staff and and myself, we daily handle handle these cases. So,

3492
02:26:48,800 --> 02:26:50,720
we're screening them every day. where uh

3493
02:26:50,720 --> 02:26:53,680
we're uh corresponding with with defense

3494
02:26:53,680 --> 02:26:56,560
council and working with victims and uh

3495
02:26:56,560 --> 02:27:00,319
it's it's it's quite task heavy um just

3496
02:27:00,319 --> 02:27:03,040
on the prosecution side and with a with

3497
02:27:03,040 --> 02:27:07,359
a growing city there's uh um quite a bit

3498
02:27:07,359 --> 02:27:10,800
of additional load on on on the civil

3499
02:27:10,800 --> 02:27:13,200
side too. Um so we're we're trying to

3500
02:27:13,200 --> 02:27:20,230
reduce risk as as the city grows.

3501
02:27:20,240 --> 02:27:24,550
Thank you, Tyson.

3502
02:27:24,560 --> 02:27:29,270
» Suggestion on that line, council.

3503
02:27:29,280 --> 02:27:31,359
» We're just lary of doing it too low

3504
02:27:31,359 --> 02:27:32,560
right now where we have all the

3505
02:27:32,560 --> 02:27:34,399
different litigations. I think we're

3506
02:27:34,399 --> 02:27:36,080
three

3507
02:27:36,080 --> 02:27:38,880
different litigations, possibly four. D

3508
02:27:38,880 --> 02:27:42,640
have to give me the exact number, but

3509
02:27:42,640 --> 02:27:44,399
it is substantial more so than we

3510
02:27:44,399 --> 02:27:47,280
actually really want right now.

3511
02:27:47,280 --> 02:27:50,870
Yeah,

3512
02:27:50,880 --> 02:27:52,640
» I apologize. I'm trying to pull up our

3513
02:27:52,640 --> 02:27:54,720
actuals as of currently, but my I'm

3514
02:27:54,720 --> 02:27:56,160
having a hard time getting Excel back

3515
02:27:56,160 --> 02:27:58,720
up, but I could,

3516
02:27:58,720 --> 02:28:00,800
assuming I get there, can give you a

3517
02:28:00,800 --> 02:28:03,600
current spending on legal services as of

3518
02:28:03,600 --> 02:28:04,399
today.

3519
02:28:04,399 --> 02:28:07,600
>> It would be nice to know because I mean,

3520
02:28:07,600 --> 02:28:09,359
I think that that number could go down a

3521
02:28:09,359 --> 02:28:12,319
little bit. So if it's going to move the

3522
02:28:12,319 --> 02:28:14,640
needle that much, but

3523
02:28:14,640 --> 02:28:24,790
>> I'll keep trying here.

3524
02:28:24,800 --> 02:28:26,240
Unless there was any other questions on

3525
02:28:26,240 --> 02:28:32,022
that budget.

3526
02:28:32,032 --> 02:28:39,670
[clears throat]

3527
02:28:39,680 --> 02:28:42,960
» This is the catch all.

3528
02:28:42,960 --> 02:28:44,800
Yeah. So, this is a city hall budget. It

3529
02:28:44,800 --> 02:28:48,880
includes HR, city manager, finance, city

3530
02:28:48,880 --> 02:28:52,790
reporter. Um

3531
02:28:52,800 --> 02:28:57,280
» that's finances, but yeah. Um

3532
02:28:57,280 --> 02:29:00,240
and basically just this building aside

3533
02:29:00,240 --> 02:29:05,590
from the legal

3534
02:29:05,600 --> 02:29:07,280
um and then this one, just to note, it

3535
02:29:07,280 --> 02:29:09,439
does include this line item does include

3536
02:29:09,439 --> 02:29:11,439
that additional 30,000 for the

3537
02:29:11,439 --> 02:29:13,280
compensation study that's being asked

3538
02:29:13,280 --> 02:29:14,479
for.

3539
02:29:14,479 --> 02:29:17,200
Um but if that is taken out then that

3540
02:29:17,200 --> 02:29:20,880
line item is budgeted at 17,500

3541
02:29:20,880 --> 02:29:22,800
>> and that's what Heidi's asking for.

3542
02:29:22,800 --> 02:29:24,080
>> Yes sir.

3543
02:29:24,080 --> 02:29:26,398
>> Y so and that is included

3544
02:29:26,398 --> 02:29:27,439
[clears throat] in the property tax

3545
02:29:27,439 --> 02:29:30,800
impact statement in the property tax

3546
02:29:30,800 --> 02:29:34,960
rate increase. So that line item is

3547
02:29:34,960 --> 02:29:49,349
yeah just for but

3548
02:29:49,359 --> 02:29:51,520
Nothing in here is for city hall

3549
02:29:51,520 --> 02:29:53,680
remodel, right?

3550
02:29:53,680 --> 02:30:09,990
>> We took they didn't do it.

3551
02:30:10,000 --> 02:30:13,670
Sorry.

3552
02:30:13,680 --> 02:30:31,990
» Um, we could probably argue that

3553
02:30:32,000 --> 02:30:35,680
computer support services. I mean

3554
02:30:35,680 --> 02:30:37,280
43,000

3555
02:30:37,280 --> 02:30:42,160
budgeted in 26 and 9,500 budgeted in 27.

3556
02:30:42,160 --> 02:30:44,960
I I I like the thought there, but where

3557
02:30:44,960 --> 02:30:47,520
are we accounting for it elsewhere?

3558
02:30:47,520 --> 02:30:49,520
So some of this so computer support

3559
02:30:49,520 --> 02:30:52,000
services we only have one computer

3560
02:30:52,000 --> 02:30:54,080
support staff through Legion technology

3561
02:30:54,080 --> 02:30:55,439
that's Dean Y

3562
02:30:55,439 --> 02:30:57,040
>> but there are other items that were

3563
02:30:57,040 --> 02:30:59,200
coming out of here and they shouldn't

3564
02:30:59,200 --> 02:31:00,880
happen. So they've got moved to computer

3565
02:31:00,880 --> 02:31:03,280
software which is a more appropriate

3566
02:31:03,280 --> 02:31:04,560
profile for them because we do want

3567
02:31:04,560 --> 02:31:06,720
computer support services across the

3568
02:31:06,720 --> 02:31:09,040
board to only reflect Legion technology.

3569
02:31:09,040 --> 02:31:12,319
So they did get moved out into

3570
02:31:12,319 --> 02:31:14,479
um computer software. So you will note

3571
02:31:14,479 --> 02:31:16,560
that computer software budget did go up

3572
02:31:16,560 --> 02:31:18,479
which is this slide.

3573
02:31:18,479 --> 02:31:23,680
>> So um I did note that some of the

3574
02:31:23,680 --> 02:31:26,479
things that we do use um Google is the

3575
02:31:26,479 --> 02:31:29,040
large one um and then we use pay for our

3576
02:31:29,040 --> 02:31:31,840
payroll. Castell is our ERP

3577
02:31:31,840 --> 02:31:34,240
uh it's supposed to be I apologize

3578
02:31:34,240 --> 02:31:36,720
that's a typo. Reverb is for invoices.

3579
02:31:36,720 --> 02:31:40,240
Reise docuign Adobe you know the list

3580
02:31:40,240 --> 02:31:41,920
can go on but that's just some example

3581
02:31:41,920 --> 02:31:44,240
of some high

3582
02:31:44,240 --> 02:32:02,230
you know, cost software that we do have.

3583
02:32:02,240 --> 02:32:04,000
» Is it the vehicle stipen that says two

3584
02:32:04,000 --> 02:32:06,960
employees receive 43301?

3585
02:32:06,960 --> 02:32:09,120
>> Yes. So, that one did go up. So, you can

3586
02:32:09,120 --> 02:32:12,000
notice it looks like it doubled. um it

3587
02:32:12,000 --> 02:32:14,479
wasn't budgeted for properly in fiscal

3588
02:32:14,479 --> 02:32:17,120
year 26 and then I found that it wasn't

3589
02:32:17,120 --> 02:32:19,359
pulling out pay correctly either which

3590
02:32:19,359 --> 02:32:20,720
is why it looks like they hadn't spent

3591
02:32:20,720 --> 02:32:23,200
any of it. Um I have since fixed that

3592
02:32:23,200 --> 02:32:25,680
with HR so that's been addressed

3593
02:32:25,680 --> 02:32:27,120
corrected. So it does come out of this

3594
02:32:27,120 --> 02:32:28,640
line rather than salaries and wages

3595
02:32:28,640 --> 02:32:30,319
where it was coming from before. But

3596
02:32:30,319 --> 02:32:32,080
there are two employees that receive a

3597
02:32:32,080 --> 02:32:34,000
vehicle assignment as the negotiation

3598
02:32:34,000 --> 02:32:38,160
contract and it they get that at 43313

3599
02:32:38,160 --> 02:32:40,960
and so to cover that the budget needs to

3600
02:32:40,960 --> 02:32:47,590
be 10,000 for that.

3601
02:32:47,600 --> 02:32:55,190
» Yes.

3602
02:32:55,200 --> 02:32:57,120
So I noticed that there's employee

3603
02:32:57,120 --> 02:33:01,200
appreciation for all the departments but

3604
02:33:01,200 --> 02:33:02,479
then [clears throat] in the community

3605
02:33:02,479 --> 02:33:04,399
relations we have like the Christmas

3606
02:33:04,399 --> 02:33:08,479
party and things like that. So

3607
02:33:08,479 --> 02:33:10,560
>> kind of tell me how that is.

3608
02:33:10,560 --> 02:33:11,840
>> So that's what the discretion of the

3609
02:33:11,840 --> 02:33:13,600
department head but it's just budget for

3610
02:33:13,600 --> 02:33:16,479
them to be able to like show rather than

3611
02:33:16,479 --> 02:33:19,600
just the once a year city appreciation.

3612
02:33:19,600 --> 02:33:21,200
It allows it to be more specific to

3613
02:33:21,200 --> 02:33:23,760
departments. So, some departments may

3614
02:33:23,760 --> 02:33:26,800
opt to do like their own personal event

3615
02:33:26,800 --> 02:33:30,000
such as like a bowling party. Others may

3616
02:33:30,000 --> 02:33:32,560
want lunches throughout the summer. So,

3617
02:33:32,560 --> 02:33:33,920
they that's what the department head

3618
02:33:33,920 --> 02:33:36,240
uses that budget on to help keep their

3619
02:33:36,240 --> 02:33:38,960
staff, you know, motivated, morale, that

3620
02:33:38,960 --> 02:33:40,640
kind of thing. Outside of the

3621
02:33:40,640 --> 02:33:43,520
>> anniversaries they have employed,

3622
02:33:43,520 --> 02:33:45,200
>> it gives them that budget. they al you

3623
02:33:45,200 --> 02:33:47,920
know they could buy bereavement flowers

3624
02:33:47,920 --> 02:33:50,720
or what that it just kind of gives the

3625
02:33:50,720 --> 02:33:53,920
department head some wiggle room to show

3626
02:33:53,920 --> 02:33:55,200
their budget. That is one thing that we

3627
02:33:55,200 --> 02:33:57,280
did standardize though at just the 150

3628
02:33:57,280 --> 02:33:58,800
an employee.

3629
02:33:58,800 --> 02:34:00,399
>> Um

3630
02:34:00,399 --> 02:34:03,359
>> but

3631
02:34:03,359 --> 02:34:05,680
obviously it's not like

3632
02:34:05,680 --> 02:34:07,359
necessarily how that works out because

3633
02:34:07,359 --> 02:34:09,680
you expect to buy lunches and everything

3634
02:34:09,680 --> 02:34:25,910
like that. The whole staff eats

3635
02:34:25,920 --> 02:34:27,280
you been able to pull up the legal

3636
02:34:27,280 --> 02:34:28,080
services?

3637
02:34:28,080 --> 02:34:29,439
>> No, I was actually going to just say I'm

3638
02:34:29,439 --> 02:34:31,040
going to step out and see if my computer

3639
02:34:31,040 --> 02:34:32,399
because it keeps saying that it can't

3640
02:34:32,399 --> 02:34:34,080
connect to my desktop over there. So,

3641
02:34:34,080 --> 02:34:35,120
I'm just going to go make sure that

3642
02:34:35,120 --> 02:34:36,720
that's

3643
02:34:36,720 --> 02:34:38,880
still on because it was work. You know,

3644
02:34:38,880 --> 02:34:40,160
you saw I had it up earlier. So, I'm

3645
02:34:40,160 --> 02:34:41,280
just going to step out and do that one

3646
02:34:41,280 --> 02:34:43,600
fast. But Michael can always ask you

3647
02:34:43,600 --> 02:34:44,800
questions.

3648
02:34:44,800 --> 02:34:45,920
>> Well, you guys, [clears throat] while

3649
02:34:45,920 --> 02:34:47,600
she does that, are you guys okay if I

3650
02:34:47,600 --> 02:34:49,439
give you a little bit of information?

3651
02:34:49,439 --> 02:34:52,399
>> Yeah, absolutely.

3652
02:34:52,399 --> 02:34:53,920
>> So, as these guys are talking about

3653
02:34:53,920 --> 02:34:55,439
their staffing, I think it's important

3654
02:34:55,439 --> 02:34:59,040
to mention that our city runs very lean.

3655
02:34:59,040 --> 02:35:00,800
Um, and I see that straight across the

3656
02:35:00,800 --> 02:35:02,319
board. You know, Tyson's talking about

3657
02:35:02,319 --> 02:35:05,280
his legal going up 69%.

3658
02:35:05,280 --> 02:35:07,120
They're talking about triple cases over

3659
02:35:07,120 --> 02:35:10,560
in the courts. and we're running in risk

3660
02:35:10,560 --> 02:35:13,600
of our employees turn, you know,

3661
02:35:13,600 --> 02:35:16,560
increased turnover, decreased morale,

3662
02:35:16,560 --> 02:35:18,960
increased liability when we run this

3663
02:35:18,960 --> 02:35:21,280
lean with our staff. So, I think it's

3664
02:35:21,280 --> 02:35:22,720
really important that you guys hear

3665
02:35:22,720 --> 02:35:26,000
those things. Same with our volunteer

3666
02:35:26,000 --> 02:35:29,359
firefighter firefighters.

3667
02:35:29,359 --> 02:35:31,120
They're struggling getting people to

3668
02:35:31,120 --> 02:35:33,840
volunteer. People are working, you know,

3669
02:35:33,840 --> 02:35:36,399
full-time jobs, two jobs. And so often

3670
02:35:36,399 --> 02:35:39,680
during the day when our chief is hearing

3671
02:35:39,680 --> 02:35:41,760
people call in for fires, he's thinking,

3672
02:35:41,760 --> 02:35:44,000
"Come on, who's going to pick that up?"

3673
02:35:44,000 --> 02:35:45,120
Because we don't have enough

3674
02:35:45,120 --> 02:35:49,359
firefighters. Our volunteer um they do a

3675
02:35:49,359 --> 02:35:51,840
lot of things like Fourth of July. Those

3676
02:35:51,840 --> 02:35:54,479
often are 16-our days for them and it's

3677
02:35:54,479 --> 02:35:56,319
all volunteer. So we [clears throat]

3678
02:35:56,319 --> 02:35:58,720
need to be thinking about as our city

3679
02:35:58,720 --> 02:36:00,800
grows, what are we going to be doing?

3680
02:36:00,800 --> 02:36:03,359
Our FTEEs have to grow. Right now, we're

3681
02:36:03,359 --> 02:36:05,359
at 83.5,

3682
02:36:05,359 --> 02:36:07,680
which we talked um about our 99

3683
02:36:07,680 --> 02:36:10,720
employees, right? 73 full-time, 26

3684
02:36:10,720 --> 02:36:15,520
part-time. And as you guys look at,

3685
02:36:15,520 --> 02:36:17,200
are you going to do an increase? Are you

3686
02:36:17,200 --> 02:36:19,359
not going to do an increase? Um I wanted

3687
02:36:19,359 --> 02:36:21,040
to give you some information about some

3688
02:36:21,040 --> 02:36:23,439
other cities that we've pulled. So,

3689
02:36:23,439 --> 02:36:26,880
there's been 67 total response on what

3690
02:36:26,880 --> 02:36:28,399
other cities are doing for their

3691
02:36:28,399 --> 02:36:30,560
employees. And the average on the cola

3692
02:36:30,560 --> 02:36:32,960
is 2.41%. 41%

3693
02:36:32,960 --> 02:36:37,030
and the merit is 2.81%.

3694
02:36:37,040 --> 02:36:40,160
Some cities are going as high as 6.70

3695
02:36:40,160 --> 02:36:42,000
because they've done compensation

3696
02:36:42,000 --> 02:36:47,200
studies and have determined, hey, our employees are really low. Um,

3697
02:36:47,200 --> 02:36:50,080
there's also cities going as high as 7%

3698
02:36:50,080 --> 02:36:52,720
in their merit. So, I'll give you guys

3699
02:36:52,720 --> 02:36:55,280
all this information so you have this,

3700
02:36:55,280 --> 02:37:01,680
but I think it's important that we invest in our staff, right? If we

3701
02:37:01,680 --> 02:37:04,800
lose some of our long-term employees, it

3702
02:37:04,800 --> 02:37:07,920
costs $100,000 to get another employee

3703
02:37:07,920 --> 02:37:11,200
in here and trained up to what a

3704
02:37:11,200 --> 02:37:13,520
30-year-old or an employee that's been

3705
02:37:13,520 --> 02:37:15,600
with the city for 30 years, their

3706
02:37:15,600 --> 02:37:18,960
knowledge is just gone. So, when we

3707
02:37:18,960 --> 02:37:21,040
talked about what we do for our our

3708
02:37:21,040 --> 02:37:22,880
employees, I think it's important that

3709
02:37:22,880 --> 02:37:25,040
we think of those things. I know you

3710
02:37:25,040 --> 02:37:28,000
guys have a really hard job um and a lot

3711
02:37:28,000 --> 02:37:30,640
of decisions to make, but our staff

3712
02:37:30,640 --> 02:37:34,000
deserve kind of little plug. So, they

3713
02:37:34,000 --> 02:37:37,040
work really hard for what we do.

3714
02:37:37,040 --> 02:37:52,309
>> Thank you. You're welcome.

3715
02:37:52,319 --> 02:38:09,670
The camera is

3716
02:38:09,680 --> 02:38:12,240
we have our debt services on behalf.

3717
02:38:12,240 --> 02:38:15,439
expend that we have to pay for

3718
02:38:15,439 --> 02:38:18,800
we have the continuation of park that

3719
02:38:18,800 --> 02:38:21,040
will carry over to the next year for

3720
02:38:21,040 --> 02:38:22,960
scenic slopes

3721
02:38:22,960 --> 02:38:26,640
the two main ones that are consolidated

3722
02:38:26,640 --> 02:38:28,960
most of the projects so then that's

3723
02:38:28,960 --> 02:38:32,790
where county

3724
02:38:32,800 --> 02:38:37,120
that we have a talk to

3725
02:38:37,120 --> 02:38:40,560
develop on that they're post date

3726
02:38:40,560 --> 02:38:42,160
they're going to give us is the end of

3727
02:38:42,160 --> 02:38:46,389
the two weeks.

3728
02:38:46,399 --> 02:38:49,359
» Checks in the mail though, huh?

3729
02:38:49,359 --> 02:39:06,389
>> Not received yet.

3730
02:39:06,399 --> 02:39:08,479
» So that covers pretty much the entire

3731
02:39:08,479 --> 02:39:12,319
budget that we have for the general.

3732
02:39:12,319 --> 02:39:13,600
There any other spots you want to go

3733
02:39:13,600 --> 02:39:19,910
back and revisit?

3734
02:39:19,920 --> 02:39:21,040
» I've been a lot of questions, but

3735
02:39:21,040 --> 02:39:24,720
they're at a higher like level, so I I

3736
02:39:24,720 --> 02:39:27,680
don't have any more line item questions.

3737
02:39:27,680 --> 02:39:29,760
Um, and I'm sorry, but so the total

3738
02:39:29,760 --> 02:39:31,439
spend on legal services so far this year

3739
02:39:31,439 --> 02:39:40,469
is 129,35

3740
02:39:40,479 --> 02:39:43,520
and that's as of today. So, you know,

3741
02:39:43,520 --> 02:39:46,000
second week of May. So, we still have

3742
02:39:46,000 --> 02:39:48,319
>> Can we move that number to 150 grand?

3743
02:39:48,319 --> 02:39:49,920
Just

3744
02:39:49,920 --> 02:39:51,439
I I

3745
02:39:51,439 --> 02:39:55,040
mean 30 what? $35,000.

3746
02:39:55,040 --> 02:40:01,190
>> I think that's more realistic.

3747
02:40:01,200 --> 02:40:04,240
I made some notes in regards to the

3748
02:40:04,240 --> 02:40:06,960
cemetery. So the there there's the the

3749
02:40:06,960 --> 02:40:09,520
widening of the roads that 100 grand

3750
02:40:09,520 --> 02:40:11,359
that we didn't spend that we allocated

3751
02:40:11,359 --> 02:40:14,720
last year. we didn't spend. Is there I

3752
02:40:14,720 --> 02:40:17,040
mean, could there could the approach be

3753
02:40:17,040 --> 02:40:19,520
well maybe we might not be able to do

3754
02:40:19,520 --> 02:40:21,840
all that 100 grand this year and we

3755
02:40:21,840 --> 02:40:24,800
budget 50 grand of that and designate

3756
02:40:24,800 --> 02:40:27,439
that amount. You kind of see where we're

3757
02:40:27,439 --> 02:40:28,479
at. I mean, is that

3758
02:40:28,479 --> 02:40:30,319
>> will that not have to rewiden the roads

3759
02:40:30,319 --> 02:40:33,680
and keep it as it is right now? I I ran

3760
02:40:33,680 --> 02:40:36,160
into a roadblock yesterday and I

3761
02:40:36,160 --> 02:40:38,880
couldn't get past and so I just reversed

3762
02:40:38,880 --> 02:40:42,319
down the street and could fifth route.

3763
02:40:42,319 --> 02:40:44,000
And one thing to consider with that one

3764
02:40:44,000 --> 02:40:45,840
specifically since it is such a large

3765
02:40:45,840 --> 02:40:49,359
amount that's unspent in this year,

3766
02:40:49,359 --> 02:40:51,120
we could say that that one is coming

3767
02:40:51,120 --> 02:40:53,280
from rather we could take it out from a

3768
02:40:53,280 --> 02:40:55,359
property tax increase perspective and

3769
02:40:55,359 --> 02:40:57,280
account for it from fund balance because

3770
02:40:57,280 --> 02:40:59,680
ultimately it would because it's unspent

3771
02:40:59,680 --> 02:41:02,240
expenditure at the end of when we close

3772
02:41:02,240 --> 02:41:04,080
out fiscal year 26, it would go into

3773
02:41:04,080 --> 02:41:06,479
fund balance which we could then say

3774
02:41:06,479 --> 02:41:08,880
we're pulling it back to roll forward

3775
02:41:08,880 --> 02:41:09,840
into.

3776
02:41:09,840 --> 02:41:11,680
>> Well, let's do that. Okay.

3777
02:41:11,680 --> 02:41:15,120
>> Is that okay? You okay with that?

3778
02:41:15,120 --> 02:41:17,081
>> Okay. And then so I'll do that

3779
02:41:17,081 --> 02:41:20,790
[clears throat] and

3780
02:41:20,800 --> 02:41:22,640
» I did reduce to legal. So I changed

3781
02:41:22,640 --> 02:41:24,240
legal just so everyone sees. Sorry I did

3782
02:41:24,240 --> 02:41:26,880
it while we were talking. So we reduced

3783
02:41:26,880 --> 02:41:31,600
it to 150 for that. And then this one

3784
02:41:31,600 --> 02:41:32,560
for cemetery.

3785
02:41:32,560 --> 02:41:35,359
>> Cemetery

3786
02:41:35,359 --> 02:41:38,720
>> maybe. Here we go. Okay. So I'll put it

3787
02:41:38,720 --> 02:41:42,960
over Okay. It was like 90

3788
02:41:42,960 --> 02:41:44,560
something.

3789
02:41:44,560 --> 02:41:45,840
>> Yep. $90,000.

3790
02:41:45,840 --> 02:41:48,800
>> Um, but really it'll come across. It

3791
02:41:48,800 --> 02:41:50,080
shouldn't be considered in a property

3792
02:41:50,080 --> 02:41:52,560
tax increase. So, I'll put it on here as

3793
02:41:52,560 --> 02:41:55,520
nothing, but we'll note that really it

3794
02:41:55,520 --> 02:41:57,520
will be budget.

3795
02:41:57,520 --> 02:41:59,200
>> Yeah. But it'll be a rollover. So, there

3796
02:41:59,200 --> 02:42:01,120
will be some of that use from the fund

3797
02:42:01,120 --> 02:42:02,880
balance over for that one.

3798
02:42:02,880 --> 02:42:04,880
>> So, you'll see it in the budget, but you

3799
02:42:04,880 --> 02:42:06,560
won't it won't be a part of the

3800
02:42:06,560 --> 02:42:07,359
assessment right now.

3801
02:42:07,359 --> 02:42:08,960
>> Yeah. It won't be considered in what's

3802
02:42:08,960 --> 02:42:11,600
needed to get from property taxes. Does

3803
02:42:11,600 --> 02:42:12,720
that sound good?

3804
02:42:12,720 --> 02:42:14,640
>> We all on the same page with that one.

3805
02:42:14,640 --> 02:42:15,600
>> Yeah. I mean, yeah.

3806
02:42:15,600 --> 02:42:17,600
>> What other areas can we do that in?

3807
02:42:17,600 --> 02:42:19,920
Anyone else see any other spots?

3808
02:42:19,920 --> 02:42:22,160
>> No. That was a good idea.

3809
02:42:22,160 --> 02:42:23,040
>> Yeah.

3810
02:42:23,040 --> 02:42:24,399
>> And with that one, it's like a

3811
02:42:24,399 --> 02:42:26,000
substantial amount.

3812
02:42:26,000 --> 02:42:27,760
>> In general, I'm going to try to save as

3813
02:42:27,760 --> 02:42:31,439
much money as I can and try to roll

3814
02:42:31,439 --> 02:42:33,520
>> ineneral its own thing.

3815
02:42:33,520 --> 02:42:35,280
>> Not buy anything else. What's there is

3816
02:42:35,280 --> 02:42:36,560
there? I'm going to try to just

3817
02:42:36,560 --> 02:42:37,359
>> Yeah, but it just

3818
02:42:37,359 --> 02:42:38,957
>> any

3819
02:42:38,957 --> 02:42:40,160
[clears throat] emergency need I got to

3820
02:42:40,160 --> 02:42:40,880
do. But

3821
02:42:40,880 --> 02:42:42,000
>> otherwise, we're all kind of

3822
02:42:42,000 --> 02:42:43,680
>> Yeah, it's like I'm trying to freeze

3823
02:42:43,680 --> 02:42:45,120
everything just to try to help with

3824
02:42:45,120 --> 02:42:46,080
this.

3825
02:42:46,080 --> 02:42:47,920
>> I'm not Yeah, in general I think we're

3826
02:42:47,920 --> 02:42:49,040
all going to get

3827
02:42:49,040 --> 02:42:55,910
>> Yeah. But kind of that same thing

3828
02:42:55,920 --> 02:42:58,160
by doing this. It doesn't mean that we

3829
02:42:58,160 --> 02:43:00,479
can't widen those roads, right?

3830
02:43:00,479 --> 02:43:01,520
>> No, it will still

3831
02:43:01,520 --> 02:43:04,560
>> It'll still happen. Roll it over. Yeah,

3832
02:43:04,560 --> 02:43:05,840
we're just using the budget that was

3833
02:43:05,840 --> 02:43:07,520
budgeted for for this year that wasn't

3834
02:43:07,520 --> 02:43:09,760
used next year.

3835
02:43:09,760 --> 02:43:12,880
>> How much of the budget last year falls

3836
02:43:12,880 --> 02:43:16,000
into that excess? I mean, if you were to

3837
02:43:16,000 --> 02:43:18,640
throw a a dart at the board, obviously

3838
02:43:18,640 --> 02:43:22,160
we had had some that was some overruns,

3839
02:43:22,160 --> 02:43:28,960
but but did we come in under? Are you pretty confident, Michael and

3840
02:43:28,960 --> 02:43:31,840
Alexis, I mean I'm sorry,

3841
02:43:31,840 --> 02:43:33,280
>> that we could that we could hit that

3842
02:43:33,280 --> 02:43:34,319
number?

3843
02:43:34,319 --> 02:43:36,000
>> No.

3844
02:43:36,000 --> 02:43:36,960
>> Um, mostly

3845
02:43:36,960 --> 02:43:38,160
>> we can have an overrun.

3846
02:43:38,160 --> 02:43:41,840
>> Mostly because when I look here for

3847
02:43:41,840 --> 02:43:43,520
the budgeted amount and what's actually

3848
02:43:43,520 --> 02:43:48,319
been spent as of February is, you know,

3849
02:43:48,319 --> 02:43:51,840
so sorry that's not 16, that's six. Yes.

3850
02:43:51,840 --> 02:43:53,279
So we will have a substantial amount

3851
02:43:53,279 --> 02:43:56,399
that still rolls in um to budget balance

3852
02:43:56,399 --> 02:43:57,680
like I mentioned at the beginning of the

3853
02:43:57,680 --> 02:43:59,520
meeting. However,

3854
02:43:59,520 --> 02:44:01,279
>> but there's

3855
02:44:01,279 --> 02:44:01,920
>> Sorry, go ahead.

3856
02:44:01,920 --> 02:44:03,040
>> I was going to say there's been less

3857
02:44:03,040 --> 02:44:06,160
revenue in the the growth side. So that

3858
02:44:06,160 --> 02:44:07,920
might offset that a little bit that we

3859
02:44:07,920 --> 02:44:09,600
must got to take be aware of

3860
02:44:09,600 --> 02:44:11,600
>> because we were planning on a 5%

3861
02:44:11,600 --> 02:44:14,479
increase in growth and we only had 2.9.

3862
02:44:14,479 --> 02:44:16,479
Is that why? Let's Yeah, I'll grab some

3863
02:44:16,479 --> 02:44:20,080
I'll snip some so we can try to get some

3864
02:44:20,080 --> 02:44:33,349
here because

3865
02:44:33,359 --> 02:44:34,319
Okay, so for our [clears throat]

3866
02:44:34,319 --> 02:44:36,080
revenues for fiscal year 26, they were

3867
02:44:36,080 --> 02:44:38,640
estimated at 13.6.

3868
02:44:38,640 --> 02:44:43,349
As of February, we had collected 8

3869
02:44:43,359 --> 02:44:48,080
02. Um, and then

3870
02:44:48,080 --> 02:44:50,640
like the opposite side of that, the

3871
02:44:50,640 --> 02:44:53,040
expenditures were expected at were

3872
02:44:53,040 --> 02:44:55,520
budgeted at 16 million 360. I'll

3873
02:44:55,520 --> 02:44:56,720
actually type them in there so you guys

3874
02:44:56,720 --> 02:44:58,080
can see rather than just having my

3875
02:44:58,080 --> 02:45:10,710
screenshot.

3876
02:45:10,720 --> 02:45:12,240
Okay. So that's this is obviously the

3877
02:45:12,240 --> 02:45:13,600
revenue and then this is just the

3878
02:45:13,600 --> 02:45:15,840
expenditure from below that's hold up

3879
02:45:15,840 --> 02:45:20,230
and this is as of

3880
02:45:20,240 --> 02:45:23,760
this one I mean yeah

3881
02:45:23,760 --> 02:45:25,439
um so and as I mentioned before we're

3882
02:45:25,439 --> 02:45:27,439
not going to have 100% spending and

3883
02:45:27,439 --> 02:45:29,200
we're not going to have 100% revenue

3884
02:45:29,200 --> 02:45:32,160
collection either. So, will there be

3885
02:45:32,160 --> 02:45:34,960
some that goes back into general fund?

3886
02:45:34,960 --> 02:45:36,479
Yes. And like I had mentioned before,

3887
02:45:36,479 --> 02:45:38,560
that 2.4 million is likely to go up

3888
02:45:38,560 --> 02:45:40,080
because we're not going to have 100%

3889
02:45:40,080 --> 02:45:41,840
expense.

3890
02:45:41,840 --> 02:45:43,015
What's hard though is we need

3891
02:45:43,015 --> 02:45:44,800
[clears throat] our budget to balance.

3892
02:45:44,800 --> 02:45:47,600
And so, if we're approving projects and

3893
02:45:47,600 --> 02:45:49,520
different line items to be included in

3894
02:45:49,520 --> 02:45:50,720
this year's budget, we have to have the

3895
02:45:50,720 --> 02:45:53,120
revenue to account for that as well. And

3896
02:45:53,120 --> 02:45:54,960
so,

3897
02:45:54,960 --> 02:45:56,800
yes, it there will be some that we can

3898
02:45:56,800 --> 02:45:58,479
roll over. With the cemetery, it's a

3899
02:45:58,479 --> 02:45:59,840
little more straightforward because it

3900
02:45:59,840 --> 02:46:01,439
is such a large amount. It does make a

3901
02:46:01,439 --> 02:46:04,880
difference. The other ones, it would be

3902
02:46:04,880 --> 02:46:09,120
minimally less, you know, potentially

3903
02:46:09,120 --> 02:46:12,080
for that. So, like I mean using for some

3904
02:46:12,080 --> 02:46:15,120
of the budgets, their actuals are over

3905
02:46:15,120 --> 02:46:16,960
spending, you know, but overall in their

3906
02:46:16,960 --> 02:46:19,520
budget they're looking okay.

3907
02:46:19,520 --> 02:46:21,040
>> So,

3908
02:46:21,040 --> 02:46:22,399
yeah. And you guys can see that each

3909
02:46:22,399 --> 02:46:24,240
month in the monthly financials. It does

3910
02:46:24,240 --> 02:46:26,000
give you an overview at the very bottom

3911
02:46:26,000 --> 02:46:28,479
of like where they're at with their

3912
02:46:28,479 --> 02:46:31,439
actual um expenditures within their

3913
02:46:31,439 --> 02:46:34,000
budget as of

3914
02:46:34,000 --> 02:46:41,910
>> that. Yeah,

3915
02:46:41,920 --> 02:46:43,600
I know we're talking about decreasing

3916
02:46:43,600 --> 02:46:45,120
stuff here where we could cut numbers,

3917
02:46:45,120 --> 02:46:46,800
but I'm also concerned about the morale

3918
02:46:46,800 --> 02:46:48,880
and just every department that's got up

3919
02:46:48,880 --> 02:46:50,560
is like, "Hey, we're scrumping. We're

3920
02:46:50,560 --> 02:46:52,560
getting by." like we're going to lose

3921
02:46:52,560 --> 02:46:55,040
valuable employees if we and and I I

3922
02:46:55,040 --> 02:46:56,399
mean I'm every department has done a

3923
02:46:56,399 --> 02:46:58,479
great job of trying to like cut down but

3924
02:46:58,479 --> 02:47:00,880
I think if we're like we need to see

3925
02:47:00,880 --> 02:47:02,479
what they actually need versus like

3926
02:47:02,479 --> 02:47:04,080
wants and I'm not I'm not nothing on

3927
02:47:04,080 --> 02:47:05,120
here but I assume it's been like

3928
02:47:05,120 --> 02:47:08,479
frivolous I mean no surprise my concern

3929
02:47:08,479 --> 02:47:10,399
is public safety that's a need to me

3930
02:47:10,399 --> 02:47:12,160
that's not a want like if we've got

3931
02:47:12,160 --> 02:47:15,120
people running thin you know fire and

3932
02:47:15,120 --> 02:47:17,120
the fire even like the jaws of life we

3933
02:47:17,120 --> 02:47:19,600
should try and get one of those you know

3934
02:47:19,600 --> 02:47:21,920
I mean I think that at least one

3935
02:47:21,920 --> 02:47:24,720
officer. Again, no surprise. I I see

3936
02:47:24,720 --> 02:47:26,640
what it is. I see how lean they're

3937
02:47:26,640 --> 02:47:28,319
running all the time. And I'm sure every

3938
02:47:28,319 --> 02:47:29,760
department is. It's not just the police

3939
02:47:29,760 --> 02:47:32,960
department. But, you know, if if the

3940
02:47:32,960 --> 02:47:34,319
police are, you know, like fire trying

3941
02:47:34,319 --> 02:47:36,399
to get someone to a fire, how how would

3942
02:47:36,399 --> 02:47:37,439
you like to call and be like, "Sorry,

3943
02:47:37,439 --> 02:47:39,439
nobody come to my house for an hour on a

3944
02:47:39,439 --> 02:47:41,279
domestic violence." Like, that's not an

3945
02:47:41,279 --> 02:47:43,040
option. Or I've got only one officer

3946
02:47:43,040 --> 02:47:45,040
coming and nobody to back them up. Like,

3947
02:47:45,040 --> 02:47:48,080
that's that's just not okay in my mind.

3948
02:47:48,080 --> 02:47:50,640
So, like, you know, they also like if

3949
02:47:50,640 --> 02:47:51,920
somebody's out, somebody's got to cover

3950
02:47:51,920 --> 02:47:53,439
for them. It's not like you say, "Oh,

3951
02:47:53,439 --> 02:47:55,040
hey, I I'm sick today. I'll just be in

3952
02:47:55,040 --> 02:47:56,479
tomorrow and I'll finish my work."

3953
02:47:56,479 --> 02:47:58,399
They're constantly, you know, and they

3954
02:47:58,399 --> 02:48:00,399
also have I mean, every department does.

3955
02:48:00,399 --> 02:48:01,920
I'm not saying this is just to public

3956
02:48:01,920 --> 02:48:03,600
safety, but I do think that public

3957
02:48:03,600 --> 02:48:06,160
safety is a concern, you know. I mean,

3958
02:48:06,160 --> 02:48:08,319
it's Yeah, we didn't have the growth,

3959
02:48:08,319 --> 02:48:10,800
but we're also we've also lost officers.

3960
02:48:10,800 --> 02:48:13,120
We we've got volunteer firefighters that

3961
02:48:13,120 --> 02:48:15,040
are we're hoping to get. So, how do we

3962
02:48:15,040 --> 02:48:17,600
keep them? How do we, you know, just in

3963
02:48:17,600 --> 02:48:18,800
general too, like the compensation

3964
02:48:18,800 --> 02:48:20,160
study, I'm a little bit worried about. I

3965
02:48:20,160 --> 02:48:21,600
think it's good that we have it, but I'm

3966
02:48:21,600 --> 02:48:22,720
afraid that it's going to come back and

3967
02:48:22,720 --> 02:48:25,359
show that we're paying quite a bit less

3968
02:48:25,359 --> 02:48:27,200
and how do we how do we

3969
02:48:27,200 --> 02:48:29,279
>> that's the catch 22 about spending that

3970
02:48:29,279 --> 02:48:30,000
30 grand,

3971
02:48:30,000 --> 02:48:32,000
>> right? That well, in my mind, I see it

3972
02:48:32,000 --> 02:48:33,359
one of two ways. We get it back and it

3973
02:48:33,359 --> 02:48:34,880
says you're paying too little and then

3974
02:48:34,880 --> 02:48:36,240
we say, "Okay, now we have to try and

3975
02:48:36,240 --> 02:48:37,600
keep these employees." I think most

3976
02:48:37,600 --> 02:48:39,279
people know what they're getting paid

3977
02:48:39,279 --> 02:48:42,479
relatively to other people when they come here. But I also think

3978
02:48:42,479 --> 02:48:43,359
that, you know, they're going to say,

3979
02:48:43,359 --> 02:48:44,800
"Hey, well, we deserve more." And they

3980
02:48:44,800 --> 02:48:46,000
do. I mean, you know, but then where are

3981
02:48:46,000 --> 02:48:47,760
we find fitting that in the budget or it

3982
02:48:47,760 --> 02:48:49,600
says you're overpaid, which is not going

3983
02:48:49,600 --> 02:48:50,800
to happen, but if it did, they would be

3984
02:48:50,800 --> 02:48:52,960
like, we can't reduce it, you know. So,

3985
02:48:52,960 --> 02:48:54,160
I'm a little bit worried about the

3986
02:48:54,160 --> 02:48:56,640
compensation study just because I from

3987
02:48:56,640 --> 02:48:58,000
what I've seen, I think Grantsville is

3988
02:48:58,000 --> 02:49:00,000
lower than what I've seen from other

3989
02:49:00,000 --> 02:49:01,600
places. But, and we need those good

3990
02:49:01,600 --> 02:49:02,479
employees. That's the problem,

3991
02:49:02,479 --> 02:49:03,600
especially as we bring in more

3992
02:49:03,600 --> 02:49:05,359
commercial. We've got to have employees

3993
02:49:05,359 --> 02:49:09,120
to fill those to fill those positions

3994
02:49:09,120 --> 02:49:10,319
within the city.

3995
02:49:10,319 --> 02:49:12,800
That's and I'm so the other question I

3996
02:49:12,800 --> 02:49:14,319
have is the $18 million we're getting

3997
02:49:14,319 --> 02:49:15,920
from the water credits. Can that be used

3998
02:49:15,920 --> 02:49:17,600
as revenue somewhere like in our budget?

3999
02:49:17,600 --> 02:49:18,960
We can say this revenue I right now

4000
02:49:18,960 --> 02:49:20,319
we're putting in capital projects funds

4001
02:49:20,319 --> 02:49:22,479
but can we use it as just revenue?

4002
02:49:22,479 --> 02:49:24,800
>> Yeah. So we could move however much of

4003
02:49:24,800 --> 02:49:27,439
it into the general fund as you see

4004
02:49:27,439 --> 02:49:32,080
appropriate. My caution there would be I

4005
02:49:32,080 --> 02:49:34,319
think it is unwise to use one-time money

4006
02:49:34,319 --> 02:49:36,960
to fund ongoing expenses and my fear

4007
02:49:36,960 --> 02:49:38,819
would be we would continue operating at

4008
02:49:38,819 --> 02:49:40,080
[clears throat] a budget that we can't

4009
02:49:40,080 --> 02:49:41,040
afford

4010
02:49:41,040 --> 02:49:43,520
>> and further the gap in the future and

4011
02:49:43,520 --> 02:49:45,439
then depending on what happens at

4012
02:49:45,439 --> 02:49:48,000
legislature or other

4013
02:49:48,000 --> 02:49:51,120
events you know like a pandemic or

4014
02:49:51,120 --> 02:49:53,920
things that happen may limit our want or

4015
02:49:53,920 --> 02:49:56,000
desire to increase a rate at that point.

4016
02:49:56,000 --> 02:49:58,160
like there's always a reason not to. And

4017
02:49:58,160 --> 02:50:00,240
so my fear of using onetime money to

4018
02:50:00,240 --> 02:50:02,720
cover ongoing expenses is kicking the

4019
02:50:02,720 --> 02:50:05,520
can down the road and furthering the gap

4020
02:50:05,520 --> 02:50:07,200
in the future that we're not.

4021
02:50:07,200 --> 02:50:08,560
>> It seems like what we've kind of been

4022
02:50:08,560 --> 02:50:11,439
doing like you know but I also have an

4023
02:50:11,439 --> 02:50:12,800
issue with being like we're going to

4024
02:50:12,800 --> 02:50:14,880
increase 84% and then we've got 18

4025
02:50:14,880 --> 02:50:16,319
million, you know. So it kind of looks

4026
02:50:16,319 --> 02:50:18,399
like hey we've got this 18 I'm not I

4027
02:50:18,399 --> 02:50:19,760
agree like we can't say oh hey don't

4028
02:50:19,760 --> 02:50:21,040
worry we have this 18 million everybody

4029
02:50:21,040 --> 02:50:22,960
gets what they want. I get that. Yeah.

4030
02:50:22,960 --> 02:50:24,240
But I'm also like, hey, we're going to

4031
02:50:24,240 --> 02:50:26,560
increase 84% for the property tax for

4032
02:50:26,560 --> 02:50:28,960
the homeowners while we have this 18

4033
02:50:28,960 --> 02:50:31,520
million. I mean,

4034
02:50:31,520 --> 02:50:32,640
>> we got to strike a balance.

4035
02:50:32,640 --> 02:50:33,760
>> Yeah, that's what I'm like. Maybe we

4036
02:50:33,760 --> 02:50:34,960
have some kind of compromise where we

4037
02:50:34,960 --> 02:50:36,880
can say, okay, these things are we have

4038
02:50:36,880 --> 02:50:38,240
to have these things and so we don't do

4039
02:50:38,240 --> 02:50:40,640
the 84%. Maybe we go to I don't know

4040
02:50:40,640 --> 02:50:42,160
what the magic number would be, but we

4041
02:50:42,160 --> 02:50:45,040
reduce it to 50 60%.

4042
02:50:45,040 --> 02:50:47,680
Um, and use a little bit of that money

4043
02:50:47,680 --> 02:50:51,200
to kind of cover cover us. Um, I don't

4044
02:50:51,200 --> 02:50:52,560
know. That was that's just what I'm

4045
02:50:52,560 --> 02:50:54,160
thinking. I just think going to be hard

4046
02:50:54,160 --> 02:50:57,359
for the citizens to say they're I think

4047
02:50:57,359 --> 02:51:00,560
they're going to feel like they're um

4048
02:51:00,560 --> 02:51:01,840
they're providing all of this

4049
02:51:01,840 --> 02:51:04,399
>> based on the reduction of the million

4050
02:51:04,399 --> 02:51:06,720
that we've already done so far. I think

4051
02:51:06,720 --> 02:51:07,920
as trying to get

4052
02:51:07,920 --> 02:51:10,880
>> Yeah. So um I would need to verify but

4053
02:51:10,880 --> 02:51:13,520
just ref numbers right now to make up to

4054
02:51:13,520 --> 02:51:16,720
get up here. You see that 1.2 if need to

4055
02:51:16,720 --> 02:51:18,399
make up. So that would reduce an

4056
02:51:18,399 --> 02:51:20,800
increase to 60%.

4057
02:51:20,800 --> 02:51:21,200
>> Yeah.

4058
02:51:21,200 --> 02:51:24,319
>> Which reduces the monthly burden to a

4059
02:51:24,319 --> 02:51:27,439
res the average resident to $19.94

4060
02:51:27,439 --> 02:51:27,920
a month

4061
02:51:27,920 --> 02:51:28,560
>> a month

4062
02:51:28,560 --> 02:51:30,960
>> from the 27. So

4063
02:51:30,960 --> 02:51:33,680
>> So we were at 1.7, we're now 1.2. We

4064
02:51:33,680 --> 02:51:36,640
were at 84, now we're at 60.

4065
02:51:36,640 --> 02:51:37,760
>> We're doing good.

4066
02:51:37,760 --> 02:51:39,680
>> So we're headed [laughter] we're headed

4067
02:51:39,680 --> 02:51:41,439
in the right direction. But I do think

4068
02:51:41,439 --> 02:51:43,359
and maybe with this is like we I don't

4069
02:51:43,359 --> 02:51:44,640
know talked to department heads but I'm

4070
02:51:44,640 --> 02:51:46,160
like I do think again I'm worried about

4071
02:51:46,160 --> 02:51:48,800
morale of the city of you know keeping

4072
02:51:48,800 --> 02:51:50,560
retention in all of our departments. And

4073
02:51:50,560 --> 02:51:54,160
so I mean the 3% and and I think this

4074
02:51:54,160 --> 02:51:55,840
was Heidi that said this that you know

4075
02:51:55,840 --> 02:51:57,600
we're just doing the cost of living.

4076
02:51:57,600 --> 02:51:59,760
We're not getting any merit increases on

4077
02:51:59,760 --> 02:52:02,319
any of this. So and and you know a lot

4078
02:52:02,319 --> 02:52:03,600
of the citizens have been complaining

4079
02:52:03,600 --> 02:52:05,680
our wages aren't going up. I mean, I

4080
02:52:05,680 --> 02:52:07,040
don't know. Anyways, I'm just

4081
02:52:07,040 --> 02:52:08,160
>> And that's kind of why we were thinking

4082
02:52:08,160 --> 02:52:09,760
of doing that compensation study is

4083
02:52:09,760 --> 02:52:12,080
because it's tough to gauge where that

4084
02:52:12,080 --> 02:52:13,760
should [clears throat] go without that

4085
02:52:13,760 --> 02:52:16,399
study and that third party would help

4086
02:52:16,399 --> 02:52:18,000
give us that guidance because we've

4087
02:52:18,000 --> 02:52:19,600
never done one. Again, it's normal

4088
02:52:19,600 --> 02:52:21,359
practice for most cities to do one every

4089
02:52:21,359 --> 02:52:23,680
five to 10 years. So, getting that

4090
02:52:23,680 --> 02:52:26,000
baseline would be super helpful then to

4091
02:52:26,000 --> 02:52:28,000
go the next year. There are some that

4092
02:52:28,000 --> 02:52:29,680
are really, really low. Then we spent a

4093
02:52:29,680 --> 02:52:32,399
lot of revenue of increase for them and

4094
02:52:32,399 --> 02:52:33,840
those that are high increases their

4095
02:52:33,840 --> 02:52:42,710
salary for that time period.

4096
02:52:42,720 --> 02:52:45,680
So the $100,000 we just took out, but we

4097
02:52:45,680 --> 02:52:50,640
added $45,000 for jobs, right?

4098
02:52:50,640 --> 02:52:54,240
>> We took $30,000 or $35,000

4099
02:52:54,240 --> 02:52:56,000
out of legal.

4100
02:52:56,000 --> 02:52:57,520
>> So is that all reflected in that number?

4101
02:52:57,520 --> 02:53:00,319
Is that is your are your calculations

4102
02:53:00,319 --> 02:53:02,560
um changing in real time as we're as

4103
02:53:02,560 --> 02:53:03,840
we're moving this or

4104
02:53:03,840 --> 02:53:05,760
>> Yeah, they should. So

4105
02:53:05,760 --> 02:53:06,560
>> should

4106
02:53:06,560 --> 02:53:08,640
>> Yeah, we'll check. So that's the total

4107
02:53:08,640 --> 02:53:14,230
of these ones. That's the total of this.

4108
02:53:14,240 --> 02:53:15,760
Just making sure it's pulling from the

4109
02:53:15,760 --> 02:53:19,349
right cells

4110
02:53:19,359 --> 02:53:39,910
here.

4111
02:53:39,920 --> 02:53:48,389
And then

4112
02:53:48,399 --> 02:53:54,230
so that's correct.

4113
02:53:54,240 --> 02:53:57,760
And then so this formula is subtracting

4114
02:53:57,760 --> 02:54:00,080
um our general revenue which went down

4115
02:54:00,080 --> 02:54:02,319
our 15,000

4116
02:54:02,319 --> 02:54:06,560
um to which is right here

4117
02:54:06,560 --> 02:54:08,720
um from our general expenses just to see

4118
02:54:08,720 --> 02:54:14,630
the gap that we have to bridge.

4119
02:54:14,640 --> 02:54:15,439
deficit.

4120
02:54:15,439 --> 02:54:16,880
>> Yeah.

4121
02:54:16,880 --> 02:54:18,479
>> And right now you said that's like a 60

4122
02:54:18,479 --> 02:54:19,680
something% [clears throat] where you got

4123
02:54:19,680 --> 02:54:20,640
down to

4124
02:54:20,640 --> 02:54:23,600
>> maybe like Yeah, like 59 and a bit

4125
02:54:23,600 --> 02:54:26,560
percent, but yeah, I could get you a

4126
02:54:26,560 --> 02:54:28,880
solid number once I can actually get

4127
02:54:28,880 --> 02:54:31,040
because more so than like the percent it

4128
02:54:31,040 --> 02:54:33,760
would be the exact proposed rate is the

4129
02:54:33,760 --> 02:54:35,120
most important part because that's the

4130
02:54:35,120 --> 02:54:36,479
part that actually gets applied to all

4131
02:54:36,479 --> 02:54:39,429
the residents.

4132
02:54:39,439 --> 02:54:41,120
So,

4133
02:54:41,120 --> 02:54:42,880
there was one area that we talked about

4134
02:54:42,880 --> 02:54:47,040
a little bit ago about streets and Ben's

4135
02:54:47,040 --> 02:54:50,960
wages and and was just I mean

4136
02:54:50,960 --> 02:54:53,120
budget-wise, could we think a little bit

4137
02:54:53,120 --> 02:54:54,640
outside the box? I thought there was

4138
02:54:54,640 --> 02:54:57,200
$100,000 there that we could maybe

4139
02:54:57,200 --> 02:55:01,120
tackle and reallocate

4140
02:55:01,120 --> 02:55:03,680
monies that would be paid for out of

4141
02:55:03,680 --> 02:55:06,240
capital projects. We kind of talk about

4142
02:55:06,240 --> 02:55:07,439
that. I thought the I thought our

4143
02:55:07,439 --> 02:55:09,279
approach was conservative and I

4144
02:55:09,279 --> 02:55:12,960
appreciate that, but um I just think,

4145
02:55:12,960 --> 02:55:16,319
you know, if we can if we can tackle two

4146
02:55:16,319 --> 02:55:18,720
or three or maybe even four of these and

4147
02:55:18,720 --> 02:55:22,319
get that number um less than less than a

4148
02:55:22,319 --> 02:55:27,299
million, I think we we we've done done a good job if we can

4149
02:55:27,299 --> 02:55:30,800
[clears throat] do it. So,

4150
02:55:30,800 --> 02:55:33,279
just asking the question. Um, do you

4151
02:55:33,279 --> 02:55:35,120
have to do that instead of just on Ben's

4152
02:55:35,120 --> 02:55:36,880
salary? You do it on

4153
02:55:36,880 --> 02:55:37,680
>> Well, I'm just saying

4154
02:55:37,680 --> 02:55:39,520
>> all the employees for streets. Yeah,

4155
02:55:39,520 --> 02:55:41,120
>> because that would be the only the one

4156
02:55:41,120 --> 02:55:41,680
because

4157
02:55:41,680 --> 02:55:43,760
>> the class C road fund is it's the

4158
02:55:43,760 --> 02:55:45,439
enterprise fund. There's not really

4159
02:55:45,439 --> 02:55:47,680
another enterprise fund that kind of

4160
02:55:47,680 --> 02:55:50,080
operates that similarly, but you'd have

4161
02:55:50,080 --> 02:55:51,760
to do it on every one of the employees

4162
02:55:51,760 --> 02:55:53,600
to reduce that salary down. So, you

4163
02:55:53,600 --> 02:55:55,279
could kind of do that the same way

4164
02:55:55,279 --> 02:55:56,560
you're doing with bands, but for

4165
02:55:56,560 --> 02:55:58,960
everyone streets, they'd have to track

4166
02:55:58,960 --> 02:56:01,520
their hours really, really closely. So

4167
02:56:01,520 --> 02:56:03,439
we don't come up with the audit problem

4168
02:56:03,439 --> 02:56:05,120
at the end of the year.

4169
02:56:05,120 --> 02:56:09,429
>> Just asking if it can be done.

4170
02:56:09,439 --> 02:56:15,030
» Yeah.

4171
02:56:15,040 --> 02:56:16,880
» Heidi, did you not just tell us that

4172
02:56:16,880 --> 02:56:19,760
other cities were not doing a 3% cola?

4173
02:56:19,760 --> 02:56:21,439
Did you not just say that a lot of them

4174
02:56:21,439 --> 02:56:24,240
were at two 2.6?

4175
02:56:24,240 --> 02:56:29,040
>> The average for cola is 2.41.

4176
02:56:29,040 --> 02:56:30,240
But then you said they they were also

4177
02:56:30,240 --> 02:56:31,359
doing merit ones with those

4178
02:56:31,359 --> 02:56:34,000
>> and they are and the average merit is

4179
02:56:34,000 --> 02:56:36,057
2.81.

4180
02:56:36,057 --> 02:56:36,319
[clears throat]

4181
02:56:36,319 --> 02:56:40,640
>> So how do we look at what happens?

4182
02:56:40,640 --> 02:56:42,560
>> Okay. See what you're saying.

4183
02:56:42,560 --> 02:56:46,240
>> So the combined total increase

4184
02:56:46,240 --> 02:56:48,479
average is 5 to 6%.

4185
02:56:48,479 --> 02:56:50,240
>> So we're underneath that.

4186
02:56:50,240 --> 02:56:55,590
>> Okay.

4187
02:56:55,600 --> 02:56:57,040
And I guess I just have a question on

4188
02:56:57,040 --> 02:56:58,399
the police budget because we we're

4189
02:56:58,399 --> 02:57:01,120
deciding that that's step or is it cola,

4190
02:57:01,120 --> 02:57:02,560
right?

4191
02:57:02,560 --> 02:57:05,600
>> So there they would be step. The

4192
02:57:05,600 --> 02:57:07,359
question would be the guys that are

4193
02:57:07,359 --> 02:57:08,800
topped out that wouldn't be getting a

4194
02:57:08,800 --> 02:57:10,319
step increase because they're already at

4195
02:57:10,319 --> 02:57:12,319
the highest step. So if we're doing a

4196
02:57:12,319 --> 02:57:14,960
cola, they would get that 3% if we call

4197
02:57:14,960 --> 02:57:16,080
it a merit.

4198
02:57:16,080 --> 02:57:17,439
>> Well, we're calling it a cola for

4199
02:57:17,439 --> 02:57:18,640
everybody else, but we're saying we're

4200
02:57:18,640 --> 02:57:21,120
not we're doing it. I guess what do you

4201
02:57:21,120 --> 02:57:22,880
>> might mean a me problem.

4202
02:57:22,880 --> 02:57:23,680
>> Yeah.

4203
02:57:23,680 --> 02:57:25,120
>> Well, I just kind of I just guess I'm

4204
02:57:25,120 --> 02:57:25,680
confused.

4205
02:57:25,680 --> 02:57:27,760
>> The step is a step, right? That's what's

4206
02:57:27,760 --> 02:57:29,680
in there. If you do a cola, you do the

4207
02:57:29,680 --> 02:57:31,760
cola and the step and the whole

4208
02:57:31,760 --> 02:57:33,200
>> weight scale goes up,

4209
02:57:33,200 --> 02:57:33,600
>> right?

4210
02:57:33,600 --> 02:57:34,479
>> That's how it should.

4211
02:57:34,479 --> 02:57:35,600
>> But I thought the step was already

4212
02:57:35,600 --> 02:57:36,960
approved. Like it was something

4213
02:57:36,960 --> 02:57:38,560
previous. So why are we not doing the

4214
02:57:38,560 --> 02:57:40,880
step and the cola for that's

4215
02:57:40,880 --> 02:57:42,319
>> we're doing cola for every other but

4216
02:57:42,319 --> 02:57:43,279
we're saying you guys are just getting

4217
02:57:43,279 --> 02:57:43,760
the step. I

4218
02:57:43,760 --> 02:57:45,120
>> kind of did a proposal where I thought

4219
02:57:45,120 --> 02:57:46,640
we should be after looking at many

4220
02:57:46,640 --> 02:57:49,520
departments in that PowerPoint as well.

4221
02:57:49,520 --> 02:57:51,359
But I added some shift differentials as

4222
02:57:51,359 --> 02:57:53,920
well to because that's common. But

4223
02:57:53,920 --> 02:57:55,200
that's kind of where I think we should

4224
02:57:55,200 --> 02:57:57,439
be on that. But yeah, you're exactly

4225
02:57:57,439 --> 02:57:59,279
right. [clears throat] Step and cola

4226
02:57:59,279 --> 02:58:00,479
different.

4227
02:58:00,479 --> 02:58:00,800
>> So,

4228
02:58:00,800 --> 02:58:02,800
>> but I but what in the budget is right

4229
02:58:02,800 --> 02:58:04,080
now is we're saying you're just getting

4230
02:58:04,080 --> 02:58:06,560
step, but you're not getting cola.

4231
02:58:06,560 --> 02:58:08,240
>> But every other person in the city is

4232
02:58:08,240 --> 02:58:09,040
getting cola.

4233
02:58:09,040 --> 02:58:10,720
>> Only cola. No,

4234
02:58:10,720 --> 02:58:12,399
>> which is one reason why we like

4235
02:58:12,399 --> 02:58:13,359
compensation.

4236
02:58:13,359 --> 02:58:15,200
>> The police department already had STEP.

4237
02:58:15,200 --> 02:58:15,600
They were already

4238
02:58:15,600 --> 02:58:17,600
>> approved. So they they have done a

4239
02:58:17,600 --> 02:58:19,760
compensation study and have like actual

4240
02:58:19,760 --> 02:58:21,520
step program in place. Everyone [snorts]

4241
02:58:21,520 --> 02:58:23,760
else at the city is

4242
02:58:23,760 --> 02:58:28,560
>> not at all on the on the general range

4243
02:58:28,560 --> 02:58:30,479
that we pay people but like they don't

4244
02:58:30,479 --> 02:58:34,479
get merit increases for performance or

4245
02:58:34,479 --> 02:58:37,040
time here or meeting additional you know

4246
02:58:37,040 --> 02:58:38,960
certifications and things. We don't have

4247
02:58:38,960 --> 02:58:40,560
that in place at all. But what we're

4248
02:58:40,560 --> 02:58:41,600
saying to the police department is

4249
02:58:41,600 --> 02:58:42,960
because you already had this step thing

4250
02:58:42,960 --> 02:58:44,399
approved. You're not getting a cost of

4251
02:58:44,399 --> 02:58:45,840
living improved. [clears throat]

4252
02:58:45,840 --> 02:58:47,439
>> We could put it in there. It would cost

4253
02:58:47,439 --> 02:58:49,920
more, which I think is something to

4254
02:58:49,920 --> 02:58:51,439
consider. But then also, I would still

4255
02:58:51,439 --> 02:58:53,600
continue to argue we need a compensation

4256
02:58:53,600 --> 02:58:56,000
study citywide. So that way we're not

4257
02:58:56,000 --> 02:58:58,080
saying, well, please get merit increases

4258
02:58:58,080 --> 02:59:00,560
for being here, but you guys don't,

4259
02:59:00,560 --> 02:59:02,560
right? you know, which and we kind of

4260
02:59:02,560 --> 02:59:04,720
touched on that at our training at our

4261
02:59:04,720 --> 02:59:06,880
not retreat, sorry, [laughter]

4262
02:59:06,880 --> 02:59:08,674
>> at our

4263
02:59:08,674 --> 02:59:09,279
[clears throat] um

4264
02:59:09,279 --> 02:59:10,000
>> workshop.

4265
02:59:10,000 --> 02:59:13,120
Thank you. Um but you know,

4266
02:59:13,120 --> 02:59:16,319
our turnover is pretty high. We have had

4267
02:59:16,319 --> 02:59:18,080
two employees that have been here,

4268
02:59:18,080 --> 02:59:18,479
>> right?

4269
02:59:18,479 --> 02:59:21,120
>> Yeah. Like in the city, you know, and I

4270
02:59:21,120 --> 02:59:21,760
think

4271
02:59:21,760 --> 02:59:22,800
>> you know and you guys are like, well,

4272
02:59:22,800 --> 02:59:24,080
what do we do for people that have been

4273
02:59:24,080 --> 02:59:26,640
here? And it's like nothing. you know,

4274
02:59:26,640 --> 02:59:28,800
we're barely maybe doing the cost of

4275
02:59:28,800 --> 02:59:30,880
living, you know, but it's also hard for

4276
02:59:30,880 --> 02:59:33,120
us to come up here and argue wage

4277
02:59:33,120 --> 02:59:35,680
increases without having the backup. So

4278
02:59:35,680 --> 02:59:37,359
that's why we're arguing for a

4279
02:59:37,359 --> 02:59:39,920
compensation study. So we have something

4280
02:59:39,920 --> 02:59:41,920
to present to you other than

4281
02:59:41,920 --> 02:59:44,560
>> well, I really want Heidi to make this

4282
02:59:44,560 --> 02:59:47,279
much money, you know, because that's not

4283
02:59:47,279 --> 02:59:49,680
valuable. That's, you know, you guys

4284
02:59:49,680 --> 02:59:50,160
know

4285
02:59:50,160 --> 02:59:52,399
>> when did we do merit increases last

4286
02:59:52,399 --> 02:59:54,560
year? That's what they called it

4287
02:59:54,560 --> 02:59:56,960
>> and cola or did we just do one?

4288
02:59:56,960 --> 02:59:59,279
>> It was just a Yeah, it was just but it

4289
02:59:59,279 --> 03:00:01,359
was across the board. They called it a

4290
03:00:01,359 --> 03:00:03,600
merit but in terms of what you would

4291
03:00:03,600 --> 03:00:05,600
consider a merit increase I would not it

4292
03:00:05,600 --> 03:00:07,600
wasn't at all tied to like an

4293
03:00:07,600 --> 03:00:10,000
evaluation. It was just kind of across

4294
03:00:10,000 --> 03:00:11,840
the board. I think it was called merit

4295
03:00:11,840 --> 03:00:14,160
to get around what Chief Sager has

4296
03:00:14,160 --> 03:00:16,880
addressed at this point. So from my

4297
03:00:16,880 --> 03:00:18,640
perspective it it's not a true merit

4298
03:00:18,640 --> 03:00:20,399
increase. It was a cola. It was just

4299
03:00:20,399 --> 03:00:21,920
called something different. The step

4300
03:00:21,920 --> 03:00:23,345
though we are are merit based

4301
03:00:23,345 --> 03:00:24,240
[clears throat] right they get to move

4302
03:00:24,240 --> 03:00:27,040
up to those steps if based on merit

4303
03:00:27,040 --> 03:00:30,399
>> the policy yes um and we addressed that

4304
03:00:30,399 --> 03:00:32,880
made the policy stronger this year on

4305
03:00:32,880 --> 03:00:35,840
Michael's request he wanted to tie the

4306
03:00:35,840 --> 03:00:37,520
evaluation so all our employees get

4307
03:00:37,520 --> 03:00:38,800
evaluations annually and they're

4308
03:00:38,800 --> 03:00:41,359
forwarded to HR and if they're below

4309
03:00:41,359 --> 03:00:43,680
standard I mean that needs to be

4310
03:00:43,680 --> 03:00:46,479
considered in the steps and it's written

4311
03:00:46,479 --> 03:00:48,800
in policy now it was there before but

4312
03:00:48,800 --> 03:00:51,279
it's clear now that if you do not meet

4313
03:00:51,279 --> 03:00:53,680
these standards, you may not get your

4314
03:00:53,680 --> 03:00:54,640
increase.

4315
03:00:54,640 --> 03:00:56,319
>> So, that was before they're just getting

4316
03:00:56,319 --> 03:00:57,520
their increase.

4317
03:00:57,520 --> 03:00:59,279
>> It's It was in there, but it wasn't as

4318
03:00:59,279 --> 03:01:01,520
strong. So, we we did that to make sure.

4319
03:01:01,520 --> 03:01:03,200
And that's that's fair. We need to do

4320
03:01:03,200 --> 03:01:04,160
that because if we have an

4321
03:01:04,160 --> 03:01:05,920
underperformer, they're either going to

4322
03:01:05,920 --> 03:01:07,840
shape up for their they're not going to

4323
03:01:07,840 --> 03:01:09,760
work here.

4324
03:01:09,760 --> 03:01:12,470
Let's That's good

4325
03:01:12,470 --> 03:01:17,910
[clears throat]

4326
03:01:17,920 --> 03:01:20,399
» for the class C. Sorry.

4327
03:01:20,399 --> 03:01:23,439
>> Let's see in streets capital to go to

4328
03:01:23,439 --> 03:01:24,479
salaries.

4329
03:01:24,479 --> 03:01:27,200
>> Yeah, I do. So I can't go to salary

4330
03:01:27,200 --> 03:01:28,560
directly.

4331
03:01:28,560 --> 03:01:31,120
>> Right. And so I do want to get back to

4332
03:01:31,120 --> 03:01:32,720
you. I want to talk to our CPA

4333
03:01:32,720 --> 03:01:35,200
consultant on his advice for budgeting

4334
03:01:35,200 --> 03:01:36,399
for that because I understand what

4335
03:01:36,399 --> 03:01:38,720
you're saying, but we can't have it like

4336
03:01:38,720 --> 03:01:40,880
directly covered. So it does get tricky

4337
03:01:40,880 --> 03:01:42,479
with budget because I also don't want to

4338
03:01:42,479 --> 03:01:44,880
underbudget for an employee that we have

4339
03:01:44,880 --> 03:01:46,560
on staff that's not that's not

4340
03:01:46,560 --> 03:01:50,000
transparent either, right? And so I hear

4341
03:01:50,000 --> 03:01:51,279
what you're saying. I just can't think

4342
03:01:51,279 --> 03:01:53,040
of a great way. So I want to do some

4343
03:01:53,040 --> 03:01:54,880
research and get back to circle back on

4344
03:01:54,880 --> 03:01:55,920
that. But

4345
03:01:55,920 --> 03:01:57,600
>> can we also see what we have paid in the

4346
03:01:57,600 --> 03:01:59,040
past out of the classy road funds to

4347
03:01:59,040 --> 03:02:00,399
reimburse.

4348
03:02:00,399 --> 03:02:02,000
>> I don't think we ever have done that.

4349
03:02:02,000 --> 03:02:04,640
>> Oh, we haven't paid contractors.

4350
03:02:04,640 --> 03:02:06,160
>> So yeah, we've used some classy road

4351
03:02:06,160 --> 03:02:06,880
money previously.

4352
03:02:06,880 --> 03:02:09,279
>> So we're already starting a new office.

4353
03:02:09,279 --> 03:02:12,399
>> So it's hard to know how there's nothing

4354
03:02:12,399 --> 03:02:13,760
process of how we do that. But

4355
03:02:13,760 --> 03:02:15,680
>> but there is something we're rewriting.

4356
03:02:15,680 --> 03:02:17,200
>> We'll look into that right now.

4357
03:02:17,200 --> 03:02:18,960
>> Yeah. Anything more than this is better

4358
03:02:18,960 --> 03:02:19,520
than that.

4359
03:02:19,520 --> 03:02:19,920
>> Yes.

4360
03:02:19,920 --> 03:02:21,920
Absolutely.

4361
03:02:21,920 --> 03:02:23,680
>> So, I definitely think it's worth

4362
03:02:23,680 --> 03:02:26,240
pursuing and looking into. So, I will I

4363
03:02:26,240 --> 03:02:28,560
just want to get some more information.

4364
03:02:28,560 --> 03:02:29,680
>> I think from a

4365
03:02:29,680 --> 03:02:30,560
>> too much direction

4366
03:02:30,560 --> 03:02:33,040
>> from a citizen and a council members

4367
03:02:33,040 --> 03:02:36,000
perspective if we're going to outlay I

4368
03:02:36,000 --> 03:02:39,200
mean $3 million essentially for all that

4369
03:02:39,200 --> 03:02:40,720
equipment

4370
03:02:40,720 --> 03:02:43,840
um and we're going to start doing this

4371
03:02:43,840 --> 03:02:46,319
ourselves. There's got to be some sort

4372
03:02:46,319 --> 03:02:51,120
of budget benefit for us to do that and it's obvious. We're not paying a

4373
03:02:51,120 --> 03:02:53,279
contractor to do it. We're doing it off

4374
03:02:53,279 --> 03:02:55,680
of our wages and ourselves. So, there

4375
03:02:55,680 --> 03:02:58,160
should be some sort of some sort of

4376
03:02:58,160 --> 03:02:59,200
offset.

4377
03:02:59,200 --> 03:03:00,800
>> Yeah. And we have the tracking software

4378
03:03:00,800 --> 03:03:03,439
now with the eye works to to track that

4379
03:03:03,439 --> 03:03:06,800
is what I'm saying project. So, it is

4380
03:03:06,800 --> 03:03:08,960
doable. But how do we reflect on the

4381
03:03:08,960 --> 03:03:10,319
budget whether you take half the

4382
03:03:10,319 --> 03:03:12,479
salaries and eliminate them out of the

4383
03:03:12,479 --> 03:03:14,720
budget or not? We'll we'll ask the

4384
03:03:14,720 --> 03:03:16,800
accountant, the third party account that

4385
03:03:16,800 --> 03:03:18,560
we have to see how they want us to track

4386
03:03:18,560 --> 03:03:21,680
that so so we can get the exact number,

4387
03:03:21,680 --> 03:03:23,359
>> right?

4388
03:03:23,359 --> 03:03:25,279
>> Yeah. Just because like we don't Yeah. I

4389
03:03:25,279 --> 03:03:26,800
mean, and the benefit, [clears throat]

4390
03:03:26,800 --> 03:03:29,600
you know, without considering, okay,

4391
03:03:29,600 --> 03:03:31,120
yeah, we're paying more in salaries now,

4392
03:03:31,120 --> 03:03:32,720
but are we getting more projects

4393
03:03:32,720 --> 03:03:34,640
completed, you know, like are we able to

4394
03:03:34,640 --> 03:03:37,600
do more roads projects with our funding

4395
03:03:37,600 --> 03:03:39,359
than we would be able to do if we were

4396
03:03:39,359 --> 03:03:40,880
paying a contractor for that because we

4397
03:03:40,880 --> 03:03:42,560
have the staffing and equipment for it,

4398
03:03:42,560 --> 03:03:46,880
you know, which I recognize is not reflected in a

4399
03:03:46,880 --> 03:03:50,399
budgetary number, but it is a benefit

4400
03:03:50,399 --> 03:03:54,479
that I think is notable, like is worth

4401
03:03:54,479 --> 03:03:58,309
Was

4402
03:03:58,319 --> 03:04:03,190
there another spot besides that one?

4403
03:04:03,200 --> 03:04:08,630
» Well,

4404
03:04:08,640 --> 03:04:11,040
and we can revisit also the um a

4405
03:04:11,040 --> 03:04:12,560
lotments to go to the

4406
03:04:12,560 --> 03:04:15,680
>> So, we added the 45 grand for the Jaws

4407
03:04:15,680 --> 03:04:17,520
of Life. That's that's reflected in what

4408
03:04:17,520 --> 03:04:18,720
we have right now.

4409
03:04:18,720 --> 03:04:22,000
>> Just go to the fire department budget.

4410
03:04:22,000 --> 03:04:23,840
So,

4411
03:04:23,840 --> 03:04:25,697
and where did we add that?

4412
03:04:25,697 --> 03:04:26,800
[clears throat]

4413
03:04:26,800 --> 03:04:28,240
>> Into this equipment line.

4414
03:04:28,240 --> 03:04:31,592
>> Okay. So, we

4415
03:04:31,592 --> 03:04:31,840
[snorts]

4416
03:04:31,840 --> 03:04:33,920
>> So, take that 45 grand out and just put

4417
03:04:33,920 --> 03:04:37,439
it off into column J. So, just just

4418
03:04:37,439 --> 03:04:39,680
yeah, just take that off. Put it in

4419
03:04:39,680 --> 03:04:43,359
column column J and and then go up to

4420
03:04:43,359 --> 03:04:44,880
the top and see how that moves the

4421
03:04:44,880 --> 03:04:50,870
number the 1.2 million.

4422
03:04:50,880 --> 03:04:53,359
of our desk. So, so it did decrease.

4423
03:04:53,359 --> 03:04:53,760
>> Yeah.

4424
03:04:53,760 --> 03:04:57,510
>> Which it should. [clears throat]

4425
03:04:57,520 --> 03:05:00,240
» So, if we put that back in and we had

4426
03:05:00,240 --> 03:05:02,000
monies come, but I'm just throwing this

4427
03:05:02,000 --> 03:05:06,399
out there. I I think um and some of us,

4428
03:05:06,399 --> 03:05:07,680
you know, had an opportunity to go to

4429
03:05:07,680 --> 03:05:09,279
the fire department, look at some of

4430
03:05:09,279 --> 03:05:14,080
their equipment and um

4431
03:05:14,080 --> 03:05:19,279
yeah, I just I think we should allocate

4432
03:05:19,279 --> 03:05:21,600
some of the monies that we're getting

4433
03:05:21,600 --> 03:05:25,840
from this this this water credit check

4434
03:05:25,840 --> 03:05:29,200
to the fire department. So, and and I

4435
03:05:29,200 --> 03:05:31,279
think we should

4436
03:05:31,279 --> 03:05:34,640
um allocate some specific monies for a

4437
03:05:34,640 --> 03:05:39,040
new ladder truck um at least in the

4438
03:05:39,040 --> 03:05:41,120
budget this year. So, we're moving

4439
03:05:41,120 --> 03:05:44,319
towards that that end. So, that's just a

4440
03:05:44,319 --> 03:05:47,439
thought I have. also getting the jaws of

4441
03:05:47,439 --> 03:05:49,920
life that they're asking for and

4442
03:05:49,920 --> 03:05:51,920
potentially subsidizing, you know, some

4443
03:05:51,920 --> 03:05:54,560
of those um

4444
03:05:54,560 --> 03:05:57,120
what you call them turnouts.

4445
03:05:57,120 --> 03:05:58,560
and

4446
03:05:58,560 --> 03:06:01,760
>> because I think um we have a newfound

4447
03:06:01,760 --> 03:06:04,080
relationship with the fire department

4448
03:06:04,080 --> 03:06:07,279
>> and I think that's healthy and I think

4449
03:06:07,279 --> 03:06:14,800
they've been um maybe brushed aside for for a few years and I think you know

4450
03:06:14,800 --> 03:06:18,240
our focus needs to be um not necessarily

4451
03:06:18,240 --> 03:06:23,599
all on them but I think we need to allocate some budget

4452
03:06:23,599 --> 03:06:24,640
[snorts and clears throat] dollars to

4453
03:06:24,640 --> 03:06:29,200
the fire department and if it just means one time

4454
03:06:29,200 --> 03:06:32,960
um onetime amount for this year. I'm

4455
03:06:32,960 --> 03:06:34,640
just going to throw out a number. I just

4456
03:06:34,640 --> 03:06:36,960
have written here $500,000

4457
03:06:36,960 --> 03:06:40,960
into their fund out of that out of that

4458
03:06:40,960 --> 03:06:43,680
amount. So where up above in the revenue

4459
03:06:43,680 --> 03:06:47,200
line would we take the monies from that

4460
03:06:47,200 --> 03:06:49,200
and stick up there?

4461
03:06:49,200 --> 03:06:51,120
>> I think you'd take that out of the water

4462
03:06:51,120 --> 03:06:52,880
capital projects

4463
03:06:52,880 --> 03:06:56,640
>> credit. credit and so that would go to

4464
03:06:56,640 --> 03:06:59,200
the tax increase because you just reduce

4465
03:06:59,200 --> 03:07:01,520
it from the $18 million.

4466
03:07:01,520 --> 03:07:02,240
>> Okay.

4467
03:07:02,240 --> 03:07:04,240
>> But are you proposing 500 for the fire

4468
03:07:04,240 --> 03:07:06,000
department for them?

4469
03:07:06,000 --> 03:07:08,160
>> Well, Jaws of Life, the two Jaws of Life

4470
03:07:08,160 --> 03:07:09,359
are 90 grand,

4471
03:07:09,359 --> 03:07:09,920
>> right?

4472
03:07:09,920 --> 03:07:12,560
>> Um the turnouts were how much was that?

4473
03:07:12,560 --> 03:07:14,560
20 grand.

4474
03:07:14,560 --> 03:07:16,319
>> I think those were already in there.

4475
03:07:16,319 --> 03:07:17,520
We have

4476
03:07:17,520 --> 03:07:19,520
>> they were but but to help but to help

4477
03:07:19,520 --> 03:07:20,584
actually find you they need

4478
03:07:20,584 --> 03:07:22,800
[clears throat] to replace the sets here

4479
03:07:22,800 --> 03:07:25,120
we're looking at 10 next year

4480
03:07:25,120 --> 03:07:27,120
>> and then there's five each

4481
03:07:27,120 --> 03:07:27,760
>> 5,000

4482
03:07:27,760 --> 03:07:30,399
>> so you need 50,000

4483
03:07:30,399 --> 03:07:33,200
>> how much would it how much would it cost

4484
03:07:33,200 --> 03:07:34,960
us

4485
03:07:34,960 --> 03:07:39,439
okay to get a ladder truck and

4486
03:07:39,439 --> 03:07:41,760
>> yes but how much time

4487
03:07:41,760 --> 03:07:44,960
>> four years before we could get it

4488
03:07:44,960 --> 03:07:46,000
>> before we see it

4489
03:07:46,000 --> 03:07:47,520
>> before we'd see it. But how much would

4490
03:07:47,520 --> 03:07:50,080
we have to pay initially to get them to

4491
03:07:50,080 --> 03:07:50,319
start

4492
03:07:50,319 --> 03:07:51,359
>> building?

4493
03:07:51,359 --> 03:07:53,680
>> Oh, you got to pay it all up front.

4494
03:07:53,680 --> 03:07:55,300
>> Lovely.

4495
03:07:55,300 --> 03:07:56,560
[laughter]

4496
03:07:56,560 --> 03:07:57,680
>> In four years, it's probably going to

4497
03:07:57,680 --> 03:07:59,760
cost a lot more

4498
03:07:59,760 --> 03:08:01,920
tomorrow. It's about four years now.

4499
03:08:01,920 --> 03:08:03,120
>> That's crazy.

4500
03:08:03,120 --> 03:08:05,200
>> Four weeks.

4501
03:08:05,200 --> 03:08:08,720
>> Is there something somewhere that would

4502
03:08:08,720 --> 03:08:12,640
service us? Not from Wendover's airport.

4503
03:08:12,640 --> 03:08:16,399
We we have found ladder trucks for sale

4504
03:08:16,399 --> 03:08:22,319
for 500,000 to 1.5 million.

4505
03:08:22,319 --> 03:08:24,640
Well, a city has one for sale right now,

4506
03:08:24,640 --> 03:08:28,080
but it does not read meet our ISO

4507
03:08:28,080 --> 03:08:30,880
rating. It's not tall enough for the

4508
03:08:30,880 --> 03:08:34,389
buildings on

4509
03:08:34,399 --> 03:08:36,399
the land. But

4510
03:08:36,399 --> 03:08:39,680
>> here's the here's the issue I see. If we

4511
03:08:39,680 --> 03:08:41,680
don't have the ability to be able to

4512
03:08:41,680 --> 03:08:44,720
service the buildings that we have with

4513
03:08:44,720 --> 03:08:47,279
inside of our city limits, is that a

4514
03:08:47,279 --> 03:08:49,680
legal issue that may come up down the

4515
03:08:49,680 --> 03:08:53,439
road? Is that a potential liability that

4516
03:08:53,439 --> 03:08:55,840
Grantsville City may may have

4517
03:08:55,840 --> 03:08:57,920
potentially? I mean, we have the ability

4518
03:08:57,920 --> 03:09:00,399
to call on those other services and

4519
03:09:00,399 --> 03:09:01,520
they'll come to our aid

4520
03:09:01,520 --> 03:09:02,960
>> if they're not busy. if they're not

4521
03:09:02,960 --> 03:09:04,240
busy.

4522
03:09:04,240 --> 03:09:06,399
>> It presents a risk, but with our inner

4523
03:09:06,399 --> 03:09:09,359
agreement, it kind of covers that a

4524
03:09:09,359 --> 03:09:10,800
little bit, but it definitely would

4525
03:09:10,800 --> 03:09:12,399
solve the problem if we had our own

4526
03:09:12,399 --> 03:09:17,166
worked.

4527
03:09:17,176 --> 03:09:18,479
[clears throat]

4528
03:09:18,479 --> 03:09:23,680
>> It's just a thought. So

4529
03:09:23,680 --> 03:09:25,920
>> and we could allocate out of the water

4530
03:09:25,920 --> 03:09:29,680
credit money for that one time capital

4531
03:09:29,680 --> 03:09:33,840
purchase of the new ladder truck. Then

4532
03:09:33,840 --> 03:09:36,560
put it in there. But again, like we did

4533
03:09:36,560 --> 03:09:39,680
with the the road funding, shop around

4534
03:09:39,680 --> 03:09:41,600
and make sure we find the best deal

4535
03:09:41,600 --> 03:09:43,680
available with the the lifespan on

4536
03:09:43,680 --> 03:09:45,680
something like that.

4537
03:09:45,680 --> 03:09:47,040
>> Well, and we have these one-time

4538
03:09:47,040 --> 03:09:48,640
purchases, something for the hundred

4539
03:09:48,640 --> 03:09:51,040
years. You've got that line item and

4540
03:09:51,040 --> 03:09:53,359
it's 15 grand.

4541
03:09:53,359 --> 03:09:53,760
>> Um,

4542
03:09:53,760 --> 03:09:55,439
>> which is a lot. [snorts]

4543
03:09:55,439 --> 03:09:55,920
>> What?

4544
03:09:55,920 --> 03:09:57,120
>> Which is a [clears throat] lot.

4545
03:09:57,120 --> 03:10:01,120
>> It is. It is. But you we can offset that

4546
03:10:01,120 --> 03:10:03,200
um by some of those monies that we could

4547
03:10:03,200 --> 03:10:05,439
put from the water credit into

4548
03:10:05,439 --> 03:10:05,760
>> correct

4549
03:10:05,760 --> 03:10:08,640
>> in to help pay for some of these line

4550
03:10:08,640 --> 03:10:09,760
items on the fire department

4551
03:10:09,760 --> 03:10:11,520
>> that are kind of one-time things.

4552
03:10:11,520 --> 03:10:12,560
>> Yep.

4553
03:10:12,560 --> 03:10:14,479
>> Yeah, that would make sense. And so

4554
03:10:14,479 --> 03:10:16,240
basically what would happen is I would

4555
03:10:16,240 --> 03:10:19,760
bring it in in our revenue line as one

4556
03:10:19,760 --> 03:10:22,960
of these um

4557
03:10:22,960 --> 03:10:26,606
we have a transfer section

4558
03:10:26,606 --> 03:10:27,840
[clears throat] yeah contributions and

4559
03:10:27,840 --> 03:10:29,520
transfers. So I would just show a

4560
03:10:29,520 --> 03:10:33,120
transfer from the water fund for however

4561
03:10:33,120 --> 03:10:35,680
much you guys

4562
03:10:35,680 --> 03:10:37,359
decide on and then it would come in here

4563
03:10:37,359 --> 03:10:39,760
and be reflected in the overall general

4564
03:10:39,760 --> 03:10:41,520
revenue and then the expenses would come

4565
03:10:41,520 --> 03:10:43,279
out in the apartment in the departments

4566
03:10:43,279 --> 03:10:46,560
that were making up the usage of that

4567
03:10:46,560 --> 03:10:50,710
funds.

4568
03:10:50,720 --> 03:10:52,720
» So

4569
03:10:52,720 --> 03:10:55,040
not going to get a lot of good good

4570
03:10:55,040 --> 03:10:57,760
looks what I'm about to say. Um, so this

4571
03:10:57,760 --> 03:11:00,000
is my idea coming into it. So we got

4572
03:11:00,000 --> 03:11:01,439
since the last time we seen the bud

4573
03:11:01,439 --> 03:11:03,920
budget last week to now with your guys'

4574
03:11:03,920 --> 03:11:08,479
changes, it's about a 10.72%

4575
03:11:08,479 --> 03:11:10,800
reduction from 2026. Would you say

4576
03:11:10,800 --> 03:11:13,520
that's probably right?

4577
03:11:13,520 --> 03:11:15,600
If my if I have to use my hands and toes

4578
03:11:15,600 --> 03:11:18,479
over that, I struggle. So that was my

4579
03:11:18,479 --> 03:11:21,600
calculations. Um, I was thinking that

4580
03:11:21,600 --> 03:11:23,279
we've,

4581
03:11:23,279 --> 03:11:25,680
my notes from looking at it was get

4582
03:11:25,680 --> 03:11:27,920
closer to 15%

4583
03:11:27,920 --> 03:11:30,399
overall reduction.

4584
03:11:30,399 --> 03:11:33,840
Um, and I did have it list out by

4585
03:11:33,840 --> 03:11:35,120
department, but now that we're talking,

4586
03:11:35,120 --> 03:11:37,520
I think it's just overall we're closer

4587
03:11:37,520 --> 03:11:39,920
to that 15%.

4588
03:11:39,920 --> 03:11:41,439
Um,

4589
03:11:41,439 --> 03:11:43,920
I think that

4590
03:11:43,920 --> 03:11:46,479
for the fiscal year 2027 that there

4591
03:11:46,479 --> 03:11:48,319
shouldn't be any payraises for salaried

4592
03:11:48,319 --> 03:11:50,399
employees.

4593
03:11:50,399 --> 03:11:53,680
um a city citywide hiring freeze for

4594
03:11:53,680 --> 03:11:56,240
non-essential positions.

4595
03:11:56,240 --> 03:11:58,080
And I do have here, Bill brought it up,

4596
03:11:58,080 --> 03:11:59,760
but I do have on here city council

4597
03:11:59,760 --> 03:12:03,680
compensation reduced uh or zero dollars

4598
03:12:03,680 --> 03:12:06,399
for fiscal year 2027 until we're out of

4599
03:12:06,399 --> 03:12:08,240
our deficit.

4600
03:12:08,240 --> 03:12:11,040
And then the Shaun Johnson money, the

4601
03:12:11,040 --> 03:12:13,600
water credits, I think we should put

4602
03:12:13,600 --> 03:12:15,680
three million into our general fund and

4603
03:12:15,680 --> 03:12:17,520
use that as our discretion for what we

4604
03:12:17,520 --> 03:12:20,240
need and then invest the remaining 15

4605
03:12:20,240 --> 03:12:23,200
million and that should bring in about

4606
03:12:23,200 --> 03:12:27,840
six 600,000 annually with the 4% return.

4607
03:12:27,840 --> 03:12:31,439
Um those were my notes for what I was

4608
03:12:31,439 --> 03:12:35,200
thinking. Um I have numbers for what

4609
03:12:35,200 --> 03:12:37,920
that would bring in but that would bring

4610
03:12:37,920 --> 03:12:45,349
that deficit the one where is it 1.18

4611
03:12:45,359 --> 03:12:48,240
that would bring it I think with at 15%

4612
03:12:48,240 --> 03:12:51,840
we would need to be about at 139 for the

4613
03:12:51,840 --> 03:12:56,240
budget for the expenditures

4614
03:12:56,240 --> 03:13:00,240
just over 139. So knock off another half

4615
03:13:00,240 --> 03:13:02,720
a million is what you're saying.

4616
03:13:02,720 --> 03:13:03,600
>> It's Yeah.

4617
03:13:03,600 --> 03:13:06,240
>> Where would you propose that would come?

4618
03:13:06,240 --> 03:13:08,319
>> Eliminate services because that would be

4619
03:13:08,319 --> 03:13:09,600
the next step.

4620
03:13:09,600 --> 03:13:11,359
>> Well, a lot of it would be the cost of

4621
03:13:11,359 --> 03:13:14,880
living for the directors or any salary

4622
03:13:14,880 --> 03:13:17,520
employees wouldn't receive a a pay

4623
03:13:17,520 --> 03:13:20,080
increase this year. Um

4624
03:13:20,080 --> 03:13:21,840
>> so yeah, roughly rough numbers on that.

4625
03:13:21,840 --> 03:13:23,840
The salary increase is costing us about

4626
03:13:23,840 --> 03:13:25,920
250,000

4627
03:13:25,920 --> 03:13:30,080
>> per everybody. 3% the cola is 250

4628
03:13:30,080 --> 03:13:33,120
>> roughly. That's not an exact but you

4629
03:13:33,120 --> 03:13:36,960
know it's between 225 and 250

4630
03:13:36,960 --> 03:13:38,960
>> but you're saying just for directors

4631
03:13:38,960 --> 03:13:39,680
salary

4632
03:13:39,680 --> 03:13:41,920
>> salary they could get their their

4633
03:13:41,920 --> 03:13:44,800
increase but salary no increases

4634
03:13:44,800 --> 03:13:46,399
>> so that' be less than 250.

4635
03:13:46,399 --> 03:13:48,399
>> Yeah. Yeah. I just wanted to put that so

4636
03:13:48,399 --> 03:13:50,080
you had an idea of what that 3% was

4637
03:13:50,080 --> 03:13:50,960
costing us.

4638
03:13:50,960 --> 03:13:52,640
>> And then that still doesn't make up your

4639
03:13:52,640 --> 03:13:55,279
other percentage though that other half

4640
03:13:55,279 --> 03:13:56,880
a million. Oh, I know we're never we're

4641
03:13:56,880 --> 03:13:59,520
not going to cover the whole deficit.

4642
03:13:59,520 --> 03:14:00,640
>> That's what I'm saying. Where would you

4643
03:14:00,640 --> 03:14:02,800
want to pull that other portion from

4644
03:14:02,800 --> 03:14:05,120
that? If you were to looking at the

4645
03:14:05,120 --> 03:14:07,520
budget going line by line, where would

4646
03:14:07,520 --> 03:14:09,680
you recommend we look at cutting those

4647
03:14:09,680 --> 03:14:11,600
other portions? Or do you feel like the

4648
03:14:11,600 --> 03:14:14,399
cut we've made right now is sufficient,

4649
03:14:14,399 --> 03:14:17,120
but just reduce the the COLA for the

4650
03:14:17,120 --> 03:14:18,960
salary employees?

4651
03:14:18,960 --> 03:14:21,359
>> I I like I said, I'd like to be I said

4652
03:14:21,359 --> 03:14:24,160
15% that was my number looking through

4653
03:14:24,160 --> 03:14:26,640
it all. And at first I had it by

4654
03:14:26,640 --> 03:14:30,880
department. I had originally put 10% uh

4655
03:14:30,880 --> 03:14:32,720
decrease from each department except for

4656
03:14:32,720 --> 03:14:35,439
fire and and police. That would be a 5%

4657
03:14:35,439 --> 03:14:38,720
decrease from 2026.

4658
03:14:38,720 --> 03:14:40,080
>> So you mean just across the board take

4659
03:14:40,080 --> 03:14:41,040
them down?

4660
03:14:41,040 --> 03:14:43,520
>> The whole Yeah. Our whole expenditure is

4661
03:14:43,520 --> 03:14:45,680
try to reduce it by 15%. We're already

4662
03:14:45,680 --> 03:14:48,880
at almost 11%. We just got to just a

4663
03:14:48,880 --> 03:14:50,399
little bit more. So it needs four more

4664
03:14:50,399 --> 03:14:53,439
percent. Yeah. which they help did the

4665
03:14:53,439 --> 03:14:54,640
they did the heavy lifting earlier

4666
03:14:54,640 --> 03:14:55,040
today.

4667
03:14:55,040 --> 03:14:58,070
>> Yeah.

4668
03:14:58,080 --> 03:15:00,239
I do feel like we, you know, and

4669
03:15:00,239 --> 03:15:03,200
obviously we can change for your

4670
03:15:03,200 --> 03:15:05,359
recommendations, but I do feel like I'm

4671
03:15:05,359 --> 03:15:07,680
really proud of our staff so far to get

4672
03:15:07,680 --> 03:15:09,600
us to this point and absolutely

4673
03:15:09,600 --> 03:15:11,920
>> being willing to

4674
03:15:11,920 --> 03:15:14,000
make the sacrifice and cuts like within,

4675
03:15:14,000 --> 03:15:15,680
you know, kind of self-governing

4676
03:15:15,680 --> 03:15:17,600
themselves as far as what needed to be

4677
03:15:17,600 --> 03:15:19,840
done. So, I'm really proud of the staff

4678
03:15:19,840 --> 03:15:23,190
that

4679
03:15:23,200 --> 03:15:25,600
» with Derek's point though, there's value

4680
03:15:25,600 --> 03:15:28,239
in that money. Is there any revenue that

4681
03:15:28,239 --> 03:15:30,640
you have projected coming in with that

4682
03:15:30,640 --> 03:15:32,640
money just sitting and we we talked

4683
03:15:32,640 --> 03:15:34,640
about this just in a some sort of

4684
03:15:34,640 --> 03:15:36,560
interest bearing account?

4685
03:15:36,560 --> 03:15:38,000
>> As of right now, no,

4686
03:15:38,000 --> 03:15:39,439
>> you don't have that reflected in revenue

4687
03:15:39,439 --> 03:15:40,560
at all,

4688
03:15:40,560 --> 03:15:42,160
>> but there is value there.

4689
03:15:42,160 --> 03:15:44,560
>> There could be because right now I have

4690
03:15:44,560 --> 03:15:47,200
it all into the capital projects fund.

4691
03:15:47,200 --> 03:15:50,160
Um, so it like the PTI for that would

4692
03:15:50,160 --> 03:15:52,000
get some, but again, it's all restricted

4693
03:15:52,000 --> 03:15:54,160
within the capital projects fund. If you

4694
03:15:54,160 --> 03:15:56,000
guys want me to put it in the general

4695
03:15:56,000 --> 03:15:57,920
fund instead

4696
03:15:57,920 --> 03:16:00,479
and then invest it, we can explore

4697
03:16:00,479 --> 03:16:02,560
avenues such as that. But it was my

4698
03:16:02,560 --> 03:16:03,680
understanding that it was going to

4699
03:16:03,680 --> 03:16:05,279
capital projects. So that's where it is.

4700
03:16:05,279 --> 03:16:07,279
But if we need to move it, we can

4701
03:16:07,279 --> 03:16:08,960
definitely move it and explore options

4702
03:16:08,960 --> 03:16:10,640
for investment. I know Michael and I had

4703
03:16:10,640 --> 03:16:13,520
met with someone a couple weeks ago. Um

4704
03:16:13,520 --> 03:16:15,279
and yeah, they had projected if we

4705
03:16:15,279 --> 03:16:18,239
invested the full 18 million getting

4706
03:16:18,239 --> 03:16:19,760
like 700,000

4707
03:16:19,760 --> 03:16:22,239
>> which is like a high interest high

4708
03:16:22,239 --> 03:16:25,680
interest savings 4% or 3%

4709
03:16:25,680 --> 03:16:27,680
>> 3.4

4710
03:16:27,680 --> 03:16:32,150
>> that's one way we get reb

4711
03:16:32,160 --> 03:16:34,720
3 million into the general fund to use

4712
03:16:34,720 --> 03:16:36,720
at our discretion then the 15 and

4713
03:16:36,720 --> 03:16:38,720
remaining that goes into an investment

4714
03:16:38,720 --> 03:16:41,520
account. We're making 600,000 a year off

4715
03:16:41,520 --> 03:16:43,600
of the interest.

4716
03:16:43,600 --> 03:16:46,880
>> But then it's tied up in that until

4717
03:16:46,880 --> 03:16:48,080
>> until the next budget.

4718
03:16:48,080 --> 03:16:50,880
>> Till the next 15 million. You can take

4719
03:16:50,880 --> 03:16:53,840
the s the interest out, right?

4720
03:16:53,840 --> 03:16:55,200
>> Yeah. Absolutely. We'll take the

4721
03:16:55,200 --> 03:16:56,399
interest out, but then it's just

4722
03:16:56,399 --> 03:16:57,760
obviously how long do you want to commit

4723
03:16:57,760 --> 03:16:59,040
that to be in there?

4724
03:16:59,040 --> 03:17:00,160
>> Yeah. And then just with that, we would

4725
03:17:00,160 --> 03:17:03,200
have then do we want to spend all 18

4726
03:17:03,200 --> 03:17:04,000
million in one year?

4727
03:17:04,000 --> 03:17:06,080
>> We don't want to spend it all at once.

4728
03:17:06,080 --> 03:17:07,279
No doubt. Right.

4729
03:17:07,279 --> 03:17:09,200
>> Yeah. And so it just depends on how much

4730
03:17:09,200 --> 03:17:10,560
you want to put in there and then how

4731
03:17:10,560 --> 03:17:14,399
long term we'll put it in stages of how

4732
03:17:14,399 --> 03:17:16,239
often you can draw on that which will

4733
03:17:16,239 --> 03:17:18,239
come is how they they pose to do that.

4734
03:17:18,239 --> 03:17:21,600
So you some like a six months others at

4735
03:17:21,600 --> 03:17:24,160
a year others possibly like a two-year

4736
03:17:24,160 --> 03:17:26,080
draw. And so that's the question is how

4737
03:17:26,080 --> 03:17:27,600
committed do you want us to have that

4738
03:17:27,600 --> 03:17:30,080
investment or liquidated do you want us

4739
03:17:30,080 --> 03:17:30,720
to have that?

4740
03:17:30,720 --> 03:17:32,399
>> Well we need to have options. Oh,

4741
03:17:32,399 --> 03:17:34,960
absolutely. We can get that for you on

4742
03:17:34,960 --> 03:17:36,319
>> I think we'd want to have some of the

4743
03:17:36,319 --> 03:17:38,080
money's liquid.

4744
03:17:38,080 --> 03:17:40,560
>> Um I wouldn't say immediately, but

4745
03:17:40,560 --> 03:17:42,640
within some sort of not some sort of

4746
03:17:42,640 --> 03:17:44,800
notification. No, I I think you

4747
03:17:44,800 --> 03:17:46,640
>> I think we'd want to be able to have

4748
03:17:46,640 --> 03:17:48,319
some sort of liquid asset

4749
03:17:48,319 --> 03:17:50,080
>> that we can [snorts] tap into at some

4750
03:17:50,080 --> 03:17:50,960
point in time.

4751
03:17:50,960 --> 03:17:51,439
>> I do.

4752
03:17:51,439 --> 03:17:53,359
>> But the lion share of that can sit in

4753
03:17:53,359 --> 03:17:56,319
some sort of account that that works for

4754
03:17:56,319 --> 03:18:03,670
us, that works for Grantsville City.

4755
03:18:03,680 --> 03:18:05,767
So that's the quandry. I mean, do we

4756
03:18:05,767 --> 03:18:07,359
[clears throat] do how much of that? I

4757
03:18:07,359 --> 03:18:08,800
mean, I I I like where you're going with

4758
03:18:08,800 --> 03:18:11,920
that. I've thought about it as well. I

4759
03:18:11,920 --> 03:18:13,359
mean, do we take some of those monies

4760
03:18:13,359 --> 03:18:19,600
and do we do we buy down the the debt that we have

4761
03:18:19,600 --> 03:18:25,359
for the um sewer treatment plant? Do we take a third of that and and and

4762
03:18:25,359 --> 03:18:27,439
decrease that amount? I we've approved

4763
03:18:27,439 --> 03:18:28,239
the

4764
03:18:28,239 --> 03:18:30,319
>> the the increase

4765
03:18:30,319 --> 03:18:32,800
But we always said that if we could do

4766
03:18:32,800 --> 03:18:34,399
that,

4767
03:18:34,399 --> 03:18:36,080
does that does that lessen that amount

4768
03:18:36,080 --> 03:18:38,800
that citizens have to pay in a given

4769
03:18:38,800 --> 03:18:42,880
month and does that lessen the blow for

4770
03:18:42,880 --> 03:18:44,319
any sort of tax increase that we have

4771
03:18:44,319 --> 03:18:47,120
here? I mean, it's it's it's all part of

4772
03:18:47,120 --> 03:18:49,279
the equation, right?

4773
03:18:49,279 --> 03:18:49,680
>> Yes.

4774
03:18:49,680 --> 03:18:52,239
>> So, we can do that. I mean, the world is

4775
03:18:52,239 --> 03:18:55,439
our oyster. We can we we we got options,

4776
03:18:55,439 --> 03:18:57,200
which is a great thing to to be able to

4777
03:18:57,200 --> 03:18:59,600
have.

4778
03:18:59,600 --> 03:19:01,120
But but it goes back to what I was

4779
03:19:01,120 --> 03:19:02,479
saying a little bit earlier and just I

4780
03:19:02,479 --> 03:19:06,880
mean not that we need to focus on just what I said but for the equipment

4781
03:19:06,880 --> 03:19:10,080
the onetime equip equipment purchase for

4782
03:19:10,080 --> 03:19:12,239
the fire department I mean that's

4783
03:19:12,239 --> 03:19:14,479
$90,000

4784
03:19:14,479 --> 03:19:16,479
um we could just buy one this year and

4785
03:19:16,479 --> 03:19:18,880
just say $45,000 but if we put it in

4786
03:19:18,880 --> 03:19:20,720
here and we don't offset it up above

4787
03:19:20,720 --> 03:19:22,560
then it comes right out of that that tax

4788
03:19:22,560 --> 03:19:25,680
increase right and it it so if we can

4789
03:19:25,680 --> 03:19:27,600
save that 45 grand

4790
03:19:27,600 --> 03:19:29,279
>> and not make it a part of that and

4791
03:19:29,279 --> 03:19:31,920
designate and earmark those monies for

4792
03:19:31,920 --> 03:19:34,239
that particular $45,000.

4793
03:19:34,239 --> 03:19:35,680
And if we do that somewhere in the

4794
03:19:35,680 --> 03:19:39,680
budget 10 times, there's, you know,

4795
03:19:39,680 --> 03:19:42,560
there's $450,000.

4796
03:19:42,560 --> 03:19:44,080
That's kind of what we're here to do.

4797
03:19:44,080 --> 03:19:44,560
>> Yeah.

4798
03:19:44,560 --> 03:19:49,760
>> To a certain extent. But you know

4799
03:19:49,760 --> 03:19:52,720
what do we do with those those funds and

4800
03:19:52,720 --> 03:20:00,150
how do we proceed?

4801
03:20:00,160 --> 03:20:02,080
My notes are similar to what I thought

4802
03:20:02,080 --> 03:20:05,040
we need to discuss somewhat along the

4803
03:20:05,040 --> 03:20:07,359
lines I think that Derek was thinking

4804
03:20:07,359 --> 03:20:10,479
about. I've come from the private sector

4805
03:20:10,479 --> 03:20:13,680
and I've been through brutal

4806
03:20:13,680 --> 03:20:16,560
um budget and

4807
03:20:16,560 --> 03:20:19,200
meetings and so I've watched a company

4808
03:20:19,200 --> 03:20:21,680
come and cut everyone's pay 10% across

4809
03:20:21,680 --> 03:20:25,359
the board. The next year they came and

4810
03:20:25,359 --> 03:20:28,239
um just they thought that wasn't good

4811
03:20:28,239 --> 03:20:31,120
for morale and so they just said okay

4812
03:20:31,120 --> 03:20:33,680
we've got to lay off x number of people

4813
03:20:33,680 --> 03:20:36,399
to meet budget. The next year they froze

4814
03:20:36,399 --> 03:20:39,040
our 401k match.

4815
03:20:39,040 --> 03:20:41,840
Um I mean these are these are tough

4816
03:20:41,840 --> 03:20:44,880
budget years but that was what they did

4817
03:20:44,880 --> 03:20:49,439
to to make budget. So it's fascinating

4818
03:20:49,439 --> 03:20:52,640
to me to like I somewhat want to play

4819
03:20:52,640 --> 03:20:55,520
with we started the night and maybe

4820
03:20:55,520 --> 03:20:58,033
Aspen your first spreadsheet

4821
03:20:58,033 --> 03:21:00,000
[clears throat] calculation where we're

4822
03:21:00,000 --> 03:21:02,319
now at 60%.

4823
03:21:02,319 --> 03:21:04,560
And maybe we need to come sit with you

4824
03:21:04,560 --> 03:21:07,520
individually to do this. I get this, but

4825
03:21:07,520 --> 03:21:09,359
it's fascinating to me that the

4826
03:21:09,359 --> 03:21:13,200
legislature had a bill that was at 5%.

4827
03:21:13,200 --> 03:21:16,800
And we're still at 60.

4828
03:21:16,800 --> 03:21:18,640
>> And we're not the only ones,

4829
03:21:18,640 --> 03:21:19,520
>> right?

4830
03:21:19,520 --> 03:21:20,399
>> Was 200, right?

4831
03:21:20,399 --> 03:21:22,800
>> Well, yeah. There's like five or six

4832
03:21:22,800 --> 03:21:24,479
cities and none of them have anything

4833
03:21:24,479 --> 03:21:27,920
that's under 10. Under 10.

4834
03:21:27,920 --> 03:21:30,399
cities that were both of 200 or above

4835
03:21:30,399 --> 03:21:32,880
this year throughout Utah.

4836
03:21:32,880 --> 03:21:33,920
>> We're not there.

4837
03:21:33,920 --> 03:21:35,279
>> No, thank you.

4838
03:21:35,279 --> 03:21:37,439
>> Yeah. So, we're we're just

4839
03:21:37,439 --> 03:21:38,720
>> guess we could be there if you guys got

4840
03:21:38,720 --> 03:21:40,800
everything you wanted, right?

4841
03:21:40,800 --> 03:21:44,000
>> Yeah. We can we can ask

4842
03:21:44,000 --> 03:21:45,439
>> be careful, right? Yeah. [laughter]

4843
03:21:45,439 --> 03:21:48,319
>> So, it'd be fun for me, not fun to see

4844
03:21:48,319 --> 03:21:51,279
like at a 10% increase what that type of

4845
03:21:51,279 --> 03:21:53,920
money is and and where we're offered

4846
03:21:53,920 --> 03:21:57,520
just to play with that percentage and

4847
03:21:57,520 --> 03:21:59,359
just see

4848
03:21:59,359 --> 03:22:02,960
if that gets us any any closer. Um, very

4849
03:22:02,960 --> 03:22:04,720
hard, another note I have, very hard for

4850
03:22:04,720 --> 03:22:09,349
me to spend money we don't have yet.

4851
03:22:09,359 --> 03:22:10,160
» Yes,

4852
03:22:10,160 --> 03:22:10,800
>> we don't have it yet.

4853
03:22:10,800 --> 03:22:12,880
>> Will we get that before we finalize this

4854
03:22:12,880 --> 03:22:15,520
>> the end of this month? fully.

4855
03:22:15,520 --> 03:22:17,120
>> Yeah. So, we are supposed to get that

4856
03:22:17,120 --> 03:22:18,479
the end of this month and we have to

4857
03:22:18,479 --> 03:22:20,560
adopt a final budget by like the second

4858
03:22:20,560 --> 03:22:21,600
meeting.

4859
03:22:21,600 --> 03:22:23,359
>> Yeah. So, I don't think we can really

4860
03:22:23,359 --> 03:22:26,000
have a discussion on that at all until

4861
03:22:26,000 --> 03:22:28,080
it's a reality in my opinion. I mean, it

4862
03:22:28,080 --> 03:22:29,920
does it does where I'm at mentally.

4863
03:22:29,920 --> 03:22:30,319
>> It does.

4864
03:22:30,319 --> 03:22:31,200
>> We don't have it.

4865
03:22:31,200 --> 03:22:32,239
>> Yeah.

4866
03:22:32,239 --> 03:22:34,800
>> But I the [clears throat] Jeff, just to

4867
03:22:34,800 --> 03:22:37,760
your point, a 10% property tax increase

4868
03:22:37,760 --> 03:22:40,960
would generate an additional 28,000 in

4869
03:22:40,960 --> 03:22:44,800
revenue. Um, and it makes a household

4870
03:22:44,800 --> 03:22:46,479
>> $3.32.

4871
03:22:46,479 --> 03:22:48,160
>> I could probably sit and play with your

4872
03:22:48,160 --> 03:22:49,680
spreadsheet. You know,

4873
03:22:49,680 --> 03:22:52,640
>> it's a cheeseburger month.

4874
03:22:52,640 --> 03:22:54,560
>> I'm happy to share my one projection one

4875
03:22:54,560 --> 03:22:54,960
with you.

4876
03:22:54,960 --> 03:22:57,120
>> It's [snorts]

4877
03:22:57,120 --> 03:22:58,399
value many,

4878
03:22:58,399 --> 03:23:00,479
>> but [laughter] I mean that kind of that

4879
03:23:00,479 --> 03:23:02,239
kind of

4880
03:23:02,239 --> 03:23:03,760
exercise, I don't know what you want to

4881
03:23:03,760 --> 03:23:06,160
call it, would be helpful to me. We

4882
03:23:06,160 --> 03:23:12,309
don't do $30,000 studies and

4883
03:23:12,319 --> 03:23:14,640
I'm just not too much in favor of doing

4884
03:23:14,640 --> 03:23:17,840
that when you kind of did that yourself

4885
03:23:17,840 --> 03:23:21,040
tonight a little bit, but I can be done.

4886
03:23:21,040 --> 03:23:23,040
Um, [clears throat] a little bit of just

4887
03:23:23,040 --> 03:23:27,520
an analysis of I know it's time on your

4888
03:23:27,520 --> 03:23:30,399
part, but I think I'm not the biggest

4889
03:23:30,399 --> 03:23:32,960
fan. I don't necessarily think I see the

4890
03:23:32,960 --> 03:23:36,160
value in in the fee study. So,

4891
03:23:36,160 --> 03:23:40,800
>> I'm just talking my notes, but um

4892
03:23:40,800 --> 03:23:41,920
>> we're working.

4893
03:23:41,920 --> 03:23:43,040
>> Yeah, I

4894
03:23:43,040 --> 03:23:43,680
>> trying.

4895
03:23:43,680 --> 03:23:45,760
>> I I agree with Councilman Williams on

4896
03:23:45,760 --> 03:23:49,279
the on the study. Um I I think sometimes

4897
03:23:49,279 --> 03:23:51,600
the market indicates

4898
03:23:51,600 --> 03:23:54,319
the market is a key indicator of, you

4899
03:23:54,319 --> 03:23:56,560
know, somebody takes on a position.

4900
03:23:56,560 --> 03:23:58,160
Obviously, they take on a position

4901
03:23:58,160 --> 03:24:02,560
because that offer is is in the arena of

4902
03:24:02,560 --> 03:24:06,640
where they want to be. Um,

4903
03:24:06,640 --> 03:24:08,560
>> two two more thoughts or and I'll shut

4904
03:24:08,560 --> 03:24:11,200
up for the night. Um, two more notes I

4905
03:24:11,200 --> 03:24:14,000
had is we have 2.5 in the general mill

4906
03:24:14,000 --> 03:24:16,560
fund. So, we're trying to get out of

4907
03:24:16,560 --> 03:24:19,120
that fund, but we could use 500,000 to

4908
03:24:19,120 --> 03:24:21,359
this budget year and set it aside of

4909
03:24:21,359 --> 03:24:23,920
what we have currently. Another helpful

4910
03:24:23,920 --> 03:24:26,640
exercise I think would be is I'm not

4911
03:24:26,640 --> 03:24:29,359
saying freeze everybody. My thought was

4912
03:24:29,359 --> 03:24:32,640
play around with a 1.5 color, whatever,

4913
03:24:32,640 --> 03:24:35,359
just to see if that gets us any closer

4914
03:24:35,359 --> 03:24:37,120
to where we need to be. Sorry, that's my

4915
03:24:37,120 --> 03:24:42,870
notes. I'm done. I'm done.

4916
03:24:42,880 --> 03:24:44,880
» Um, I think I I want to start by

4917
03:24:44,880 --> 03:24:46,560
thanking the staff for putting the time

4918
03:24:46,560 --> 03:24:49,120
and effort into going through this. I

4919
03:24:49,120 --> 03:24:51,359
know talking numbers all day, your eyes

4920
03:24:51,359 --> 03:24:55,760
start to to go crossed. Um, and I I

4921
03:24:55,760 --> 03:24:57,520
appreciate our department heads and all

4922
03:24:57,520 --> 03:24:59,600
those who've put in the time and effort

4923
03:24:59,600 --> 03:25:01,600
to try to figure out how to, you know,

4924
03:25:01,600 --> 03:25:04,239
we talk about

4925
03:25:04,239 --> 03:25:07,200
things like this. It's it's a it's a

4926
03:25:07,200 --> 03:25:09,680
hard it's a hard subject because there's

4927
03:25:09,680 --> 03:25:11,359
wants and then there's there's also just

4928
03:25:11,359 --> 03:25:14,160
what we've got, what we need to have as

4929
03:25:14,160 --> 03:25:17,279
a city to be able to to function and

4930
03:25:17,279 --> 03:25:19,600
function properly. for a city that's

4931
03:25:19,600 --> 03:25:22,000
grown since 1997

4932
03:25:22,000 --> 03:25:28,150
to see that we've had a negative 22%

4933
03:25:28,160 --> 03:25:30,800
um

4934
03:25:30,800 --> 03:25:35,200
increase over that time frame is is is a

4935
03:25:35,200 --> 03:25:38,960
little is I I guess you could say that's

4936
03:25:38,960 --> 03:25:41,840
great that they were able we they've

4937
03:25:41,840 --> 03:25:43,680
been able we've been able to do that.

4938
03:25:43,680 --> 03:25:46,000
The the hard part with that is is we've

4939
03:25:46,000 --> 03:25:48,479
grown and we've haven't improved our

4940
03:25:48,479 --> 03:25:50,720
roads and we haven't, you know, and and

4941
03:25:50,720 --> 03:25:55,359
all of those things take dollars. And I get

4942
03:25:55,359 --> 03:25:57,520
just like everyone else, I understand

4943
03:25:57,520 --> 03:26:01,040
what that what that means. Like I I when

4944
03:26:01,040 --> 03:26:03,359
we're talking an increase, no one wants

4945
03:26:03,359 --> 03:26:05,600
to talk about an increase, but the fact

4946
03:26:05,600 --> 03:26:07,680
that we haven't had one hasn't helped

4947
03:26:07,680 --> 03:26:13,040
us. And so um

4948
03:26:13,040 --> 03:26:21,040
I my thoughts on cola is I I feel that I mean we should have a

4949
03:26:21,040 --> 03:26:24,640
you know inflation increase year to year

4950
03:26:24,640 --> 03:26:27,760
would have would have probably captured

4951
03:26:27,760 --> 03:26:29,120
some of the issues that we're dealing.

4952
03:26:29,120 --> 03:26:32,080
We haven't adjusted for any of that. So

4953
03:26:32,080 --> 03:26:34,560
I am a firm believer though we need to

4954
03:26:34,560 --> 03:26:36,479
live within

4955
03:26:36,479 --> 03:26:38,479
what our budgets are and I appreciate

4956
03:26:38,479 --> 03:26:41,200
those that strive to do that and you

4957
03:26:41,200 --> 03:26:42,960
have but you have certain situations

4958
03:26:42,960 --> 03:26:46,479
where you know I think we've we've run

4959
03:26:46,479 --> 03:26:50,239
pretty lean from what I see. Um and I

4960
03:26:50,239 --> 03:26:55,359
appreciate that because it's everyone's dollars that we spend

4961
03:26:55,359 --> 03:26:58,560
when we spend them. So anyway that's my

4962
03:26:58,560 --> 03:27:03,590
thoughts. Anyone

4963
03:27:03,600 --> 03:27:06,160
else have any notes or comments that

4964
03:27:06,160 --> 03:27:08,800
they want to address tonight? Or what

4965
03:27:08,800 --> 03:27:10,479
direction do we want to give the staff

4966
03:27:10,479 --> 03:27:11,760
at this point?

4967
03:27:11,760 --> 03:27:13,439
>> And I already said mine, please, but I

4968
03:27:13,439 --> 03:27:15,359
just I don't think I think we should

4969
03:27:15,359 --> 03:27:17,359
keep the cost of living increase. I I

4970
03:27:17,359 --> 03:27:19,840
think that um I mean, we've already said

4971
03:27:19,840 --> 03:27:21,200
everybody's running lean. I just don't

4972
03:27:21,200 --> 03:27:23,120
think it we need good employees. The

4973
03:27:23,120 --> 03:27:24,720
cost of losing employees, training them,

4974
03:27:24,720 --> 03:27:27,040
attrition, that adds up. So, if we're

4975
03:27:27,040 --> 03:27:28,479
going to I I'd agree with the

4976
03:27:28,479 --> 03:27:29,600
compensation study, though. I don't

4977
03:27:29,600 --> 03:27:31,279
think we really need a study to say I

4978
03:27:31,279 --> 03:27:32,399
think every department head could

4979
03:27:32,399 --> 03:27:33,760
probably go out and see what a similar

4980
03:27:33,760 --> 03:27:35,680
city is doing. I just I think it's going

4981
03:27:35,680 --> 03:27:37,200
to hurt more to say hey this is what you

4982
03:27:37,200 --> 03:27:39,920
should be making and how are we going to make up for that if

4983
03:27:39,920 --> 03:27:41,200
they're not making what they feel like

4984
03:27:41,200 --> 03:27:42,880
they should be making. I feel like it

4985
03:27:42,880 --> 03:27:44,640
that we're talking about a 3% cost of

4986
03:27:44,640 --> 03:27:47,359
increase which is $250,000.

4987
03:27:47,359 --> 03:27:49,359
That's it didn't really help us much in

4988
03:27:49,359 --> 03:27:51,120
our budget but it's going to hopefully

4989
03:27:51,120 --> 03:27:53,840
keep our employees again that it's so

4990
03:27:53,840 --> 03:27:55,760
small a cost of living. That's just my

4991
03:27:55,760 --> 03:27:58,080
thought. I also think I'm a threat that

4992
03:27:58,080 --> 03:28:00,880
we need to help public safety. I mean,

4993
03:28:00,880 --> 03:28:03,600
the budget for a ladder truck. I think

4994
03:28:03,600 --> 03:28:05,520
we should get another officer. That's

4995
03:28:05,520 --> 03:28:08,000
just my opinion.

4996
03:28:08,000 --> 03:28:16,950
My thoughts

4997
03:28:16,960 --> 03:28:18,560
and and maybe how do we get more

4998
03:28:18,560 --> 03:28:19,920
volunteers for the fire department? Is

4999
03:28:19,920 --> 03:28:23,359
there is that something we need to

5000
03:28:23,359 --> 03:28:25,920
is that a better statement? I I don't

5001
03:28:25,920 --> 03:28:27,200
know what that looks like.

5002
03:28:27,200 --> 03:28:28,880
>> They've never had a statement until

5003
03:28:28,880 --> 03:28:31,200
>> until this year. Yeah.

5004
03:28:31,200 --> 03:28:34,000
>> Yes. I think we've done

5005
03:28:34,000 --> 03:28:36,000
a positive thing there for the fire

5006
03:28:36,000 --> 03:28:36,560
department.

5007
03:28:36,560 --> 03:28:38,160
>> I I think it's a good small step, but I

5008
03:28:38,160 --> 03:28:39,680
think we could do more. I mean, and I,

5009
03:28:39,680 --> 03:28:40,800
you know, I don't know what that looks

5010
03:28:40,800 --> 03:28:42,560
like. It is hard for us because we do

5011
03:28:42,560 --> 03:28:44,160
have this $18 million, but it is a

5012
03:28:44,160 --> 03:28:45,760
onetime thing. So, we can't say, you

5013
03:28:45,760 --> 03:28:47,279
know, so we have this money, but we have

5014
03:28:47,279 --> 03:28:49,040
to be careful with it.

5015
03:28:49,040 --> 03:28:50,720
>> So, that's the question I'd like to ask

5016
03:28:50,720 --> 03:28:53,200
the staff. What one-time things are in

5017
03:28:53,200 --> 03:28:56,800
there that can be encapsulated in a

5018
03:28:56,800 --> 03:29:00,800
infusion of half a,750,000

5019
03:29:00,800 --> 03:29:04,239
from that um into the the revenue line

5020
03:29:04,239 --> 03:29:08,080
of the budget or even into the the

5021
03:29:08,080 --> 03:29:11,120
interest income right there.

5022
03:29:11,120 --> 03:29:12,399
Guess that would be that line

5023
03:29:12,399 --> 03:29:13,920
>> things like the 100redy year anniversary

5024
03:29:13,920 --> 03:29:14,800
is a one time thing.

5025
03:29:14,800 --> 03:29:16,160
>> Yeah, it's a one time thing. So that's

5026
03:29:16,160 --> 03:29:18,160
what I'm saying. I mean, go back and

5027
03:29:18,160 --> 03:29:20,000
look at those items and say, "Okay,

5028
03:29:20,000 --> 03:29:21,279
well, these are the these are the

5029
03:29:21,279 --> 03:29:24,000
onetime things in my budget

5030
03:29:24,000 --> 03:29:25,120
that

5031
03:29:25,120 --> 03:29:27,040
>> I I would say in the past, we've come

5032
03:29:27,040 --> 03:29:29,279
with a list of things we asked for.

5033
03:29:29,279 --> 03:29:31,920
Another mower, another, you know, piece

5034
03:29:31,920 --> 03:29:33,120
of equipment."

5035
03:29:33,120 --> 03:29:34,399
>> This doesn't include it.

5036
03:29:34,399 --> 03:29:37,520
>> I I know a

5037
03:29:37,520 --> 03:29:40,399
>> This doesn't include any extra vehicles,

5038
03:29:40,399 --> 03:29:42,479
any yachts.

5039
03:29:42,479 --> 03:29:43,920
And I think those are the onetime things

5040
03:29:43,920 --> 03:29:46,479
you would normally chop out

5041
03:29:46,479 --> 03:29:48,399
>> on something like this that you would

5042
03:29:48,399 --> 03:29:50,640
pay for that extra onetime cost. And

5043
03:29:50,640 --> 03:29:52,080
we've already cut all of those out

5044
03:29:52,080 --> 03:29:54,399
because that would put the budget at

5045
03:29:54,399 --> 03:29:58,319
over $4 million what it is. And so any

5046
03:29:58,319 --> 03:29:59,920
vehicle that needs to be replaced is

5047
03:29:59,920 --> 03:30:01,840
going to be pushed off till next year,

5048
03:30:01,840 --> 03:30:04,239
the next budget type thing. But if you

5049
03:30:04,239 --> 03:30:06,160
guys wanted us to start considering

5050
03:30:06,160 --> 03:30:07,840
those things for use of the water

5051
03:30:07,840 --> 03:30:10,720
credit, like we have plenty of options

5052
03:30:10,720 --> 03:30:13,200
from departments that we could prepare

5053
03:30:13,200 --> 03:30:15,760
and send to you

5054
03:30:15,760 --> 03:30:17,359
for to see if that would be something

5055
03:30:17,359 --> 03:30:18,640
that you would want to spend

5056
03:30:18,640 --> 03:30:20,800
>> like the legal line, you could chop that

5057
03:30:20,800 --> 03:30:23,120
out and put it as a onetime cost of

5058
03:30:23,120 --> 03:30:26,319
whatever it is during that time period

5059
03:30:26,319 --> 03:30:28,800
that litigation's going on. So you would

5060
03:30:28,800 --> 03:30:30,640
see it in the the tax increase, but

5061
03:30:30,640 --> 03:30:32,160
you'd still pay for it out of the water

5062
03:30:32,160 --> 03:30:33,600
credit funds. That would be like the

5063
03:30:33,600 --> 03:30:36,880
what we would kind of kind of do in in

5064
03:30:36,880 --> 03:30:38,720
that regard.

5065
03:30:38,720 --> 03:30:40,319
>> So maybe we can go through and see where

5066
03:30:40,319 --> 03:30:42,319
we could move stuff.

5067
03:30:42,319 --> 03:30:44,160
>> It's still an ongoing cost though on

5068
03:30:44,160 --> 03:30:46,479
that one problem like some that are

5069
03:30:46,479 --> 03:30:49,600
>> not quite onetime fund but are

5070
03:30:49,600 --> 03:30:53,840
>> kind of ongoing cost but are variable

5071
03:30:53,840 --> 03:30:56,000
>> but all the main onetime costs have been

5072
03:30:56,000 --> 03:30:58,960
chopped out.

5073
03:30:58,960 --> 03:31:00,720
But at the same time, I mean, I I see

5074
03:31:00,720 --> 03:31:03,600
what you're saying, but we just approved

5075
03:31:03,600 --> 03:31:05,920
a lot of new equipment for Granville

5076
03:31:05,920 --> 03:31:08,880
City. Sometimes it's so hard we focus on

5077
03:31:08,880 --> 03:31:11,600
what we don't have. I mean, this morning

5078
03:31:11,600 --> 03:31:14,960
I passed pretty some

5079
03:31:14,960 --> 03:31:16,960
pretty nice.

5080
03:31:16,960 --> 03:31:19,120
They're not nice. It's like Grantsville

5081
03:31:19,120 --> 03:31:21,760
dump trucks.

5082
03:31:21,760 --> 03:31:24,880
I was like, I'm glad we have those

5083
03:31:24,880 --> 03:31:26,399
and we're making it. We're trying to

5084
03:31:26,399 --> 03:31:28,000
save money. So I mean

5085
03:31:28,000 --> 03:31:29,520
>> and that's the difference between the

5086
03:31:29,520 --> 03:31:33,279
enterprise funds and then the capital

5087
03:31:33,279 --> 03:31:35,600
>> fund is the difference there with those

5088
03:31:35,600 --> 03:31:36,319
funds

5089
03:31:36,319 --> 03:31:38,560
>> for getting for getting new equipment.

5090
03:31:38,560 --> 03:31:43,279
What I'm saying a new silver

5091
03:31:43,279 --> 03:31:44,560
>> getting better.

5092
03:31:44,560 --> 03:31:46,080
>> I'd say one of those trucks you passed

5093
03:31:46,080 --> 03:31:47,120
is a nice truck.

5094
03:31:47,120 --> 03:31:50,160
>> One [laughter] pretty old has a new bed.

5095
03:31:50,160 --> 03:31:54,479
The truck is pretty old then

5096
03:31:54,479 --> 03:31:59,269
but I get ready to say it.

5097
03:31:59,279 --> 03:32:02,640
And I do think, you know,

5098
03:32:02,640 --> 03:32:04,880
lowering an increase or doing a higher

5099
03:32:04,880 --> 03:32:08,640
increase or not doing a cola or, you

5100
03:32:08,640 --> 03:32:11,120
know, kind of those things. I think it

5101
03:32:11,120 --> 03:32:13,520
is important to

5102
03:32:13,520 --> 03:32:14,960
just looking into the future how long

5103
03:32:14,960 --> 03:32:16,560
you're wanting something like that to

5104
03:32:16,560 --> 03:32:20,239
continue just because we're going to be

5105
03:32:20,239 --> 03:32:23,920
facing a similar issue again next year

5106
03:32:23,920 --> 03:32:26,000
in the year. like it'll be a continuous

5107
03:32:26,000 --> 03:32:28,720
thing that we need to address. And so we

5108
03:32:28,720 --> 03:32:30,000
can definitely freeze it this year. I

5109
03:32:30,000 --> 03:32:33,120
could get you a number for no cola or a

5110
03:32:33,120 --> 03:32:35,120
no cola for salaries or whatever you

5111
03:32:35,120 --> 03:32:37,120
guys are wanting for this year um to see

5112
03:32:37,120 --> 03:32:39,520
where we're at. But I do just want of

5113
03:32:39,520 --> 03:32:42,160
course to bring up that it will be

5114
03:32:42,160 --> 03:32:43,439
something that we do need to consider

5115
03:32:43,439 --> 03:32:45,359
for next year. And we can take out the

5116
03:32:45,359 --> 03:32:49,359
compensation study too um at the 30,000.

5117
03:32:49,359 --> 03:32:51,600
And then

5118
03:32:51,600 --> 03:32:54,880
should they want wage differences for

5119
03:32:54,880 --> 03:32:57,439
staff, I think it's come to the

5120
03:32:57,439 --> 03:32:58,880
assumption that you guys would then

5121
03:32:58,880 --> 03:33:00,960
trust the department head to present on

5122
03:33:00,960 --> 03:33:03,200
that without a compensation study as

5123
03:33:03,200 --> 03:33:06,160
backup, which is fine. I think that

5124
03:33:06,160 --> 03:33:06,800
that's something

5125
03:33:06,800 --> 03:33:08,560
>> the other thing I wrote down too and we

5126
03:33:08,560 --> 03:33:12,239
live in a the benefit system's broken

5127
03:33:12,239 --> 03:33:13,680
>> but I think you've already addressed it

5128
03:33:13,680 --> 03:33:15,680
but for the sake of this being a public

5129
03:33:15,680 --> 03:33:17,840
meeting

5130
03:33:17,840 --> 03:33:19,600
>> I think we live in a system where you

5131
03:33:19,600 --> 03:33:21,359
have to shop every year

5132
03:33:21,359 --> 03:33:24,160
>> to get the best deal on benefits. I

5133
03:33:24,160 --> 03:33:25,920
think you've said you've done that,

5134
03:33:25,920 --> 03:33:27,760
correct? You're going to do that.

5135
03:33:27,760 --> 03:33:31,200
>> We're going to So, we got a 3% increase,

5136
03:33:31,200 --> 03:33:33,600
which I think is a really great increase

5137
03:33:33,600 --> 03:33:36,560
for our benefits, but next year we're

5138
03:33:36,560 --> 03:33:38,000
going to start a lot earlier and we're

5139
03:33:38,000 --> 03:33:40,000
going to look at

5140
03:33:40,000 --> 03:33:42,319
other options,

5141
03:33:42,319 --> 03:33:44,720
>> right? It's just the world.

5142
03:33:44,720 --> 03:33:46,560
>> It's Obamacare. It's marketplace. It's

5143
03:33:46,560 --> 03:33:49,120
going I mean, they force us

5144
03:33:49,120 --> 03:33:50,560
>> when you're out there getting your own

5145
03:33:50,560 --> 03:33:53,600
policy to change every year.

5146
03:33:53,600 --> 03:33:55,520
So that could save us a lot of money.

5147
03:33:55,520 --> 03:33:58,800
>> The the problem that we have is if you

5148
03:33:58,800 --> 03:34:04,399
look at other insurance companies like IHC or

5149
03:34:04,399 --> 03:34:06,479
Blue Cross Blue Shield, the rates are a

5150
03:34:06,479 --> 03:34:08,000
lot higher than what we already have

5151
03:34:08,000 --> 03:34:10,160
right now. So we did look at those

5152
03:34:10,160 --> 03:34:11,760
things. We're actually going to look at

5153
03:34:11,760 --> 03:34:13,439
some other options though. I think they

5154
03:34:13,439 --> 03:34:17,040
did quote us one um and it was 15%

5155
03:34:17,040 --> 03:34:17,920
higher

5156
03:34:17,920 --> 03:34:20,960
>> than if we were to do it

5157
03:34:20,960 --> 03:34:24,080
>> with the PHP.

5158
03:34:24,080 --> 03:34:26,960
>> I just I I just want to make sure that's

5159
03:34:26,960 --> 03:34:29,200
happening analysis every year because

5160
03:34:29,200 --> 03:34:30,800
that's the environment we're in.

5161
03:34:30,800 --> 03:34:31,520
>> Yes.

5162
03:34:31,520 --> 03:34:33,279
>> What we were saying is I think the

5163
03:34:33,279 --> 03:34:34,800
confusion there was we were going to

5164
03:34:34,800 --> 03:34:37,040
shop different brokers. Now we have an

5165
03:34:37,040 --> 03:34:38,560
insurance broker. We're going to try a

5166
03:34:38,560 --> 03:34:40,720
different broker. Trek is different

5167
03:34:40,720 --> 03:34:42,640
options. But with that current broker,

5168
03:34:42,640 --> 03:34:45,520
we did shop the current ones with that

5169
03:34:45,520 --> 03:34:48,000
one and they the one we have with that

5170
03:34:48,000 --> 03:34:49,600
increase is pretty good because a lot of

5171
03:34:49,600 --> 03:34:52,880
the other cities are at a 9 to 10% when

5172
03:34:52,880 --> 03:34:54,479
I was at the conference talking to them

5173
03:34:54,479 --> 03:34:59,190
about that.

5174
03:34:59,200 --> 03:35:01,439
» Yeah.

5175
03:35:01,439 --> 03:35:04,720
>> The other thing I want to talk about too

5176
03:35:04,720 --> 03:35:07,760
is we have directors that average 60

5177
03:35:07,760 --> 03:35:11,040
hours a week right now. So,

5178
03:35:11,040 --> 03:35:13,120
I want to I want you guys to know that

5179
03:35:13,120 --> 03:35:17,120
we run thin and it's not sustainable for

5180
03:35:17,120 --> 03:35:21,680
somebody to work 60 hours a week.

5181
03:35:21,680 --> 03:35:24,239
It's just it's not sustainable.

5182
03:35:24,239 --> 03:35:25,840
>> And and we pretty much said no to every

5183
03:35:25,840 --> 03:35:27,920
department for a new employee except the

5184
03:35:27,920 --> 03:35:29,600
part-time parks that we have budgeted

5185
03:35:29,600 --> 03:35:31,359
in. We've pretty much said no to every

5186
03:35:31,359 --> 03:35:33,200
department. And then if we go on top of

5187
03:35:33,200 --> 03:35:34,960
that say not only do you not get

5188
03:35:34,960 --> 03:35:37,040
somebody new, we're now you're not you

5189
03:35:37,040 --> 03:35:38,399
don't get a cost of living increase. I

5190
03:35:38,399 --> 03:35:40,239
just I think that's I don't think that's

5191
03:35:40,239 --> 03:35:41,200
good.

5192
03:35:41,200 --> 03:35:45,600
>> Yeah. Our directors work a lot of hours.

5193
03:35:45,600 --> 03:35:48,160
>> Directors are salary though, correct?

5194
03:35:48,160 --> 03:35:50,399
>> Yeah. So, they they're making about $13

5195
03:35:50,399 --> 03:35:51,840
an hour.

5196
03:35:51,840 --> 03:35:54,880
>> Well, not that's a that's that's a

5197
03:35:54,880 --> 03:35:57,840
pretty that's a pretty broad statement.

5198
03:35:57,840 --> 03:36:01,120
So I would

5199
03:36:01,120 --> 03:36:02,880
I mean I mean it's going to suck for a

5200
03:36:02,880 --> 03:36:04,800
few years like Tula County when they

5201
03:36:04,800 --> 03:36:06,880
were going through that like they were

5202
03:36:06,880 --> 03:36:09,920
lean and cutting things and and they

5203
03:36:09,920 --> 03:36:10,800
didn't think there was going to be an

5204
03:36:10,800 --> 03:36:12,960
end in sight. We didn't and there was

5205
03:36:12,960 --> 03:36:16,319
some rough goes. I mean roads weren't

5206
03:36:16,319 --> 03:36:18,800
getting paved different things but you

5207
03:36:18,800 --> 03:36:20,720
got to we got to live within our means

5208
03:36:20,720 --> 03:36:24,720
and I know we are lean but it's going to

5209
03:36:24,720 --> 03:36:26,239
be tough and we've got to figure out

5210
03:36:26,239 --> 03:36:27,760
what we need to do. That's why I think

5211
03:36:27,760 --> 03:36:31,760
the 15% is the goal that we should set

5212
03:36:31,760 --> 03:36:37,590
of reduction from 2026.

5213
03:36:37,600 --> 03:36:40,239
» Okay. So, let's say

5214
03:36:40,239 --> 03:36:42,640
>> like the like rodeo like I'm just

5215
03:36:42,640 --> 03:36:45,520
looking through here. Like the rodeo I I

5216
03:36:45,520 --> 03:36:46,880
get it. It's great. It's got a lot of

5217
03:36:46,880 --> 03:36:50,000
support, but if you're in a if you're

5218
03:36:50,000 --> 03:36:52,160
running a deficit like some of those

5219
03:36:52,160 --> 03:36:53,439
things, if I'm running a deficit at

5220
03:36:53,439 --> 03:36:54,960
home, guess what? Like my kids not

5221
03:36:54,960 --> 03:36:56,080
getting that toy at the store when you

5222
03:36:56,080 --> 03:36:58,399
go to Walmart. They're not getting, you

5223
03:36:58,399 --> 03:37:01,040
know, certain things you got to just

5224
03:37:01,040 --> 03:37:06,560
tighten the reins back and and put your needs over your wants. And there

5225
03:37:06,560 --> 03:37:08,960
are some wants I think in every area

5226
03:37:08,960 --> 03:37:11,040
that we could probably scale back just a

5227
03:37:11,040 --> 03:37:12,000
tiny bit on.

5228
03:37:12,000 --> 03:37:14,319
>> So you to meet that 15%.

5229
03:37:14,319 --> 03:37:16,960
>> But but it paid for itself plus $10,000

5230
03:37:16,960 --> 03:37:18,239
on the budget.

5231
03:37:18,239 --> 03:37:21,359
>> On the budget, it's it's a net positive

5232
03:37:21,359 --> 03:37:23,439
>> for 10,000 for the road deal. Yeah,

5233
03:37:23,439 --> 03:37:25,120
that's what we have in here.

5234
03:37:25,120 --> 03:37:27,120
>> I know. But if I'm just saying if it

5235
03:37:27,120 --> 03:37:28,800
paid for itself paid for itself. So if

5236
03:37:28,800 --> 03:37:30,239
we if we take it completely Yeah. Then

5237
03:37:30,239 --> 03:37:32,239
we lose $10,000. That that that's the

5238
03:37:32,239 --> 03:37:32,960
math behind it.

5239
03:37:32,960 --> 03:37:34,399
>> I mean, didn't we have a donation for

5240
03:37:34,399 --> 03:37:36,720
20,000? I mean, really, I donations for

5241
03:37:36,720 --> 03:37:37,840
about that amount. So I

5242
03:37:37,840 --> 03:37:40,960
>> the donations were for over 43,000.

5243
03:37:40,960 --> 03:37:43,040
>> Yeah, we have nearly 50,000 in donations

5244
03:37:43,040 --> 03:37:45,040
for this year for the rodeo. But right

5245
03:37:45,040 --> 03:37:46,960
now, red is correct. We do have it in as

5246
03:37:46,960 --> 03:37:48,479
a net positive right now. So if I take

5247
03:37:48,479 --> 03:37:50,319
that as an expense, I'm taking it out as

5248
03:37:50,319 --> 03:37:52,560
a revenue as well, which would reduce

5249
03:37:52,560 --> 03:37:54,720
revenues by00.

5250
03:37:54,720 --> 03:37:56,080
>> It's not an expense,

5251
03:37:56,080 --> 03:37:58,960
>> right? Right now, it's considered, you

5252
03:37:58,960 --> 03:38:01,120
know, and the, you know, ultimately

5253
03:38:01,120 --> 03:38:03,680
it'll probably make more than that.

5254
03:38:03,680 --> 03:38:05,200
>> Yeah. We don't even have the ticket

5255
03:38:05,200 --> 03:38:06,479
sales.

5256
03:38:06,479 --> 03:38:07,120
>> Yeah.

5257
03:38:07,120 --> 03:38:08,000
>> Accounted.

5258
03:38:08,000 --> 03:38:09,279
>> Ultimately, it'll probably bring in more

5259
03:38:09,279 --> 03:38:10,800
revenue than I have projected right now

5260
03:38:10,800 --> 03:38:12,880
at 35,000.

5261
03:38:12,880 --> 03:38:18,160
Now there are unexpected costs to that whereas wreck are focused on

5262
03:38:18,160 --> 03:38:20,319
something other than maybe other things

5263
03:38:20,319 --> 03:38:21,760
that they should be focused on. So there

5264
03:38:21,760 --> 03:38:25,680
there's there is some unintended costs

5265
03:38:25,680 --> 03:38:27,840
that may be wrapped up to that. But

5266
03:38:27,840 --> 03:38:31,760
budget line it's it's a net positive.

5267
03:38:31,760 --> 03:38:33,920
yourself

5268
03:38:33,920 --> 03:38:35,680
and then again maybe like what they've

5269
03:38:35,680 --> 03:38:37,680
done in the past to use your one time

5270
03:38:37,680 --> 03:38:39,760
fund which again is not great to float

5271
03:38:39,760 --> 03:38:42,000
the city while you do the slight

5272
03:38:42,000 --> 03:38:46,000
increases every year that you can do.

5273
03:38:46,000 --> 03:38:48,000
>> Could we go in and take the compensation

5274
03:38:48,000 --> 03:38:49,840
study out?

5275
03:38:49,840 --> 03:38:50,880
>> That's what I was going to say.

5276
03:38:50,880 --> 03:38:53,359
>> Put it in line J just so we can see it.

5277
03:38:53,359 --> 03:38:57,200
Just just take put that to 17 right

5278
03:38:57,200 --> 03:38:59,279
there.

5279
03:38:59,279 --> 03:39:19,910
I know.

5280
03:39:19,920 --> 03:39:21,439
I mean, going back to what I asked a

5281
03:39:21,439 --> 03:39:22,720
little bit earlier with the streets and

5282
03:39:22,720 --> 03:39:25,359
the class C and the the salaries and

5283
03:39:25,359 --> 03:39:29,200
offsetting it with capital outlays.

5284
03:39:29,200 --> 03:39:32,239
Um, is that going to I mean, if we can

5285
03:39:32,239 --> 03:39:35,120
do that, is that going to help at all?

5286
03:39:35,120 --> 03:39:40,309
Can it can it help a 100 grand?

5287
03:39:40,319 --> 03:39:42,399
I kind of thought it could, but

5288
03:39:42,399 --> 03:39:44,479
>> I think it can. And one thing that I

5289
03:39:44,479 --> 03:39:47,680
also as we've been talking

5290
03:39:47,680 --> 03:39:52,389
and I don't even

5291
03:39:52,399 --> 03:39:58,469
I'm starting to wonder.

5292
03:39:58,479 --> 03:40:00,720
I need to double check on the class C

5293
03:40:00,720 --> 03:40:02,399
for what's going to approve for this

5294
03:40:02,399 --> 03:40:04,239
year carrying over into next year

5295
03:40:04,239 --> 03:40:07,120
because I want to make sure that this is

5296
03:40:07,120 --> 03:40:11,200
not attributing to like an increase,

5297
03:40:11,200 --> 03:40:12,720
right?

5298
03:40:12,720 --> 03:40:13,040
Yeah.

5299
03:40:13,040 --> 03:40:16,319
>> To the capacity just because it's not it

5300
03:40:16,319 --> 03:40:17,520
doesn't come from the general fund

5301
03:40:17,520 --> 03:40:19,680
anyway. It was the class C road funds PT

5302
03:40:19,680 --> 03:40:21,040
amount that you guys had approved for

5303
03:40:21,040 --> 03:40:24,479
them to use for their roads. So I don't

5304
03:40:24,479 --> 03:40:26,080
think that I've done it but as we've

5305
03:40:26,080 --> 03:40:27,680
been talking and you're talking class C.

5306
03:40:27,680 --> 03:40:29,359
I'll definitely check on that to just

5307
03:40:29,359 --> 03:40:31,120
it's definitely worth triple checking

5308
03:40:31,120 --> 03:40:34,880
on. Um, you know,

5309
03:40:34,880 --> 03:40:36,960
I budget brain is real, but that is

5310
03:40:36,960 --> 03:40:38,880
something that I will double check on to

5311
03:40:38,880 --> 03:40:41,439
see just to make sure that that is

5312
03:40:41,439 --> 03:40:43,200
budgeted accordingly, but not considered

5313
03:40:43,200 --> 03:40:46,160
to be like an additional 2 million that

5314
03:40:46,160 --> 03:40:49,120
we're trying to fund with taxes, right?

5315
03:40:49,120 --> 03:40:50,640
>> Yeah.

5316
03:40:50,640 --> 03:40:53,200
>> Um to be not to get everyone sold

5317
03:40:53,200 --> 03:40:55,279
because I don't think budget [laughter]

5318
03:40:55,279 --> 03:40:57,200
shares the

5319
03:40:57,200 --> 03:40:58,399
>> solve that problem.

5320
03:40:58,399 --> 03:41:00,560
>> We've been here for four hours now.

5321
03:41:00,560 --> 03:41:02,800
I just wanted to stress you all out for

5322
03:41:02,800 --> 03:41:06,080
fun. Um, no, but that is something that

5323
03:41:06,080 --> 03:41:07,279
I'll just double check and I will check

5324
03:41:07,279 --> 03:41:11,439
in with the salaries um with the streets

5325
03:41:11,439 --> 03:41:14,560
um and then

5326
03:41:14,560 --> 03:41:19,429
like you know if we

5327
03:41:19,439 --> 03:41:23,680
you know chief saber your tasers

5328
03:41:23,680 --> 03:41:25,439
you know

5329
03:41:25,439 --> 03:41:27,279
are they in this line?

5330
03:41:27,279 --> 03:41:29,120
>> Yep.

5331
03:41:29,120 --> 03:41:31,120
Yeah. Is that the parts?

5332
03:41:31,120 --> 03:41:32,479
>> Yeah.

5333
03:41:32,479 --> 03:41:33,680
>> 65.

5334
03:41:33,680 --> 03:41:36,479
>> So could we consider that to be a one

5335
03:41:36,479 --> 03:41:38,239
time?

5336
03:41:38,239 --> 03:41:41,359
>> Yeah. Or you can do the payment thing.

5337
03:41:41,359 --> 03:41:42,640
>> But maybe that's where we could reduce

5338
03:41:42,640 --> 03:41:44,319
them is by taking using the

5339
03:41:44,319 --> 03:41:45,920
>> payment.

5340
03:41:45,920 --> 03:41:47,439
Just purchase them outright if it's a

5341
03:41:47,439 --> 03:41:48,720
one time thing and you see new tasers

5342
03:41:48,720 --> 03:41:50,160
like the turnout. So we just say okay we

5343
03:41:50,160 --> 03:41:51,520
get those with the one time

5344
03:41:51,520 --> 03:41:53,520
>> or you can finance them. We could we

5345
03:41:53,520 --> 03:41:54,560
could do one or the other.

5346
03:41:54,560 --> 03:41:57,200
>> The financing is they you do all the

5347
03:41:57,200 --> 03:41:58,800
maintenance as well. So you have a

5348
03:41:58,800 --> 03:42:00,399
little bit a fiveyear like free

5349
03:42:00,399 --> 03:42:01,040
maintenance.

5350
03:42:01,040 --> 03:42:02,399
>> So financing might be better.

5351
03:42:02,399 --> 03:42:03,920
>> They have a 10 year where they replace

5352
03:42:03,920 --> 03:42:05,760
the tasers in five years. So there's

5353
03:42:05,760 --> 03:42:10,080
options but yes that is that is a one

5354
03:42:10,080 --> 03:42:10,800
>> and your turnout

5355
03:42:10,800 --> 03:42:12,800
>> one year.

5356
03:42:12,800 --> 03:42:13,040
>> Yeah.

5357
03:42:13,040 --> 03:42:15,200
>> Your turnouts will be every year because

5358
03:42:15,200 --> 03:42:18,000
we get new people we get new people. So

5359
03:42:18,000 --> 03:42:19,520
turnouts will always be

5360
03:42:19,520 --> 03:42:20,479
>> that's not

5361
03:42:20,479 --> 03:42:22,319
>> so let's address that lineup though for

5362
03:42:22,319 --> 03:42:24,469
police department 65 [snorts] grand.

5363
03:42:24,469 --> 03:42:26,800
[clears throat] How can we trim that up?

5364
03:42:26,800 --> 03:42:28,640
That that is everything for the police

5365
03:42:28,640 --> 03:42:30,560
department the whole year.

5366
03:42:30,560 --> 03:42:31,600
>> Ammo everything.

5367
03:42:31,600 --> 03:42:35,040
>> Okay. I don't know.

5368
03:42:35,040 --> 03:42:36,640
>> But the tasers are in there.

5369
03:42:36,640 --> 03:42:37,359
>> Additional.

5370
03:42:37,359 --> 03:42:39,120
>> I was just going to Yep. No, they're

5371
03:42:39,120 --> 03:42:42,239
not. I was going to try propose get an

5372
03:42:42,239 --> 03:42:43,760
estimate for the payment plan and then

5373
03:42:43,760 --> 03:42:45,840
just try to

5374
03:42:45,840 --> 03:42:47,120
equipment. I try to just get with

5375
03:42:47,120 --> 03:42:48,160
grants.

5376
03:42:48,160 --> 03:42:49,680
>> Okay.

5377
03:42:49,680 --> 03:42:51,439
But I can't usually buy weapons with

5378
03:42:51,439 --> 03:42:52,960
grants. They don't. There's usually

5379
03:42:52,960 --> 03:42:54,479
stipulations. Yeah.

5380
03:42:54,479 --> 03:42:56,080
>> So, so that's not in there at all.

5381
03:42:56,080 --> 03:42:57,040
>> No.

5382
03:42:57,040 --> 03:42:57,680
>> Okay.

5383
03:42:57,680 --> 03:42:59,680
>> What's the other Sorry, there was one

5384
03:42:59,680 --> 03:43:02,080
other thing just popped out. We probably

5385
03:43:02,080 --> 03:43:03,600
talked about this other professional

5386
03:43:03,600 --> 03:43:05,680
services. What was that again?

5387
03:43:05,680 --> 03:43:08,160
>> Dispatch fees 158.

5388
03:43:08,160 --> 03:43:08,720
>> Mhm.

5389
03:43:08,720 --> 03:43:11,439
>> And then the and then the like software

5390
03:43:11,439 --> 03:43:13,040
like the front line.

5391
03:43:13,040 --> 03:43:13,520
>> Okay.

5392
03:43:13,520 --> 03:43:16,800
>> We just approved the dispatch fees that

5393
03:43:16,800 --> 03:43:19,040
>> and we move that that line item from up

5394
03:43:19,040 --> 03:43:20,640
to there. Okay. Yes.

5395
03:43:20,640 --> 03:43:22,560
>> So, the tasers aren't include. We did

5396
03:43:22,560 --> 03:43:25,199
not put the tasers in.

5397
03:43:25,199 --> 03:43:28,160
>> What was the cost of the taser system?

5398
03:43:28,160 --> 03:43:30,960
>> Probably went up.

5399
03:43:30,960 --> 03:43:31,600
Yeah,

5400
03:43:31,600 --> 03:43:33,244
>> while we've been sitting here,

5401
03:43:33,244 --> 03:43:34,640
[laughter]

5402
03:43:34,640 --> 03:43:35,840
>> well, that was back

5403
03:43:35,840 --> 03:43:38,720
>> I Yeah, I think Yeah,

5404
03:43:38,720 --> 03:43:42,479
>> I think that approach to

5405
03:43:42,479 --> 03:43:44,640
>> removing the

5406
03:43:44,640 --> 03:43:46,479
>> one item

5407
03:43:46,479 --> 03:43:49,830
and

5408
03:43:49,840 --> 03:43:52,720
when that payment comes in, we address a

5409
03:43:52,720 --> 03:43:54,640
few of those items individually in that

5410
03:43:54,640 --> 03:43:57,040
one time situation.

5411
03:43:57,040 --> 03:43:59,520
>> Christie, are we giving you a fence? Do

5412
03:43:59,520 --> 03:44:02,479
you think that could that

5413
03:44:02,479 --> 03:44:04,399
we could reduce

5414
03:44:04,399 --> 03:44:07,680
by the parks and rec portion

5415
03:44:07,680 --> 03:44:09,520
>> and so I thought it was under streets

5416
03:44:09,520 --> 03:44:15,590
was

5417
03:44:15,600 --> 03:44:17,760
» yeah but the third that came out of

5418
03:44:17,760 --> 03:44:20,640
streets

5419
03:44:20,640 --> 03:44:24,960
>> building just really

5420
03:44:24,960 --> 03:44:28,630
>> without payment wasn't there [laughter]

5421
03:44:28,640 --> 03:44:30,560
» we're spending money we don't which is

5422
03:44:30,560 --> 03:44:34,239
bad. Maybe it was underwater.

5423
03:44:34,239 --> 03:44:39,830
>> I wonder if we just

5424
03:44:39,840 --> 03:44:41,199
» Yeah. Which one?

5425
03:44:41,199 --> 03:44:45,940
>> Okay, never mind on that.

5426
03:44:45,950 --> 03:44:53,990
[clears throat]

5427
03:44:54,000 --> 03:44:55,920
» So, Derek, back to what you you were

5428
03:44:55,920 --> 03:44:58,000
suggesting, what percentage what

5429
03:44:58,000 --> 03:45:00,080
percentage in your mind

5430
03:45:00,080 --> 03:45:02,479
increase.

5431
03:45:02,479 --> 03:45:05,279
So 40% is it?

5432
03:45:05,279 --> 03:45:06,399
>> Oh, and the property

5433
03:45:06,399 --> 03:45:08,560
>> the overall the overall

5434
03:45:08,560 --> 03:45:15,120
>> you said 15 reduction to the bud to the phys to the 27 fiscal budget.

5435
03:45:15,120 --> 03:45:17,359
>> Mhm.

5436
03:45:17,359 --> 03:45:22,630
>> 15% less than 20.

5437
03:45:22,640 --> 03:45:25,040
» I'm maybe I misunderstood what you

5438
03:45:25,040 --> 03:45:26,000
think. So what you're saying is what is

5439
03:45:26,000 --> 03:45:27,439
the increase then in property tax if you

5440
03:45:27,439 --> 03:45:29,600
get that 15%. Is there anything?

5441
03:45:29,600 --> 03:45:30,800
>> Is that what you're saying, Jake?

5442
03:45:30,800 --> 03:45:32,080
>> Yeah. Well, that was one of the thing.

5443
03:45:32,080 --> 03:45:35,359
If we got to the 15%, then where would

5444
03:45:35,359 --> 03:45:37,120
we be at percentage-wise for

5445
03:45:37,120 --> 03:45:37,520
>> Okay.

5446
03:45:37,520 --> 03:45:38,960
>> Like if you wanted to cover everything,

5447
03:45:38,960 --> 03:45:41,920
where would where would it come down to?

5448
03:45:41,920 --> 03:45:44,239
>> If we were at 15%.

5449
03:45:44,239 --> 03:45:45,920
>> Yeah, that's us.

5450
03:45:45,920 --> 03:45:48,800
>> Gotcha. So, if we reduced this down so

5451
03:45:48,800 --> 03:45:51,040
that we got your 15%.

5452
03:45:51,040 --> 03:45:57,030
>> Yeah.

5453
03:45:57,040 --> 03:45:58,720
I guess do we have a number associated

5454
03:45:58,720 --> 03:46:00,621
with the 15%.

5455
03:46:00,621 --> 03:46:00,720
[snorts]

5456
03:46:00,720 --> 03:46:21,910
>> I think it was 13,910,845.

5457
03:46:21,920 --> 03:46:25,990
» Oh, that's just a difference.

5458
03:46:26,000 --> 03:46:30,751
Sorry, I'm really tired of fresh.

5459
03:46:30,751 --> 03:46:42,389
[snorts]

5460
03:46:42,399 --> 03:46:44,399
So, $700,000 increase

5461
03:46:44,399 --> 03:46:49,030
>> and that would be

5462
03:46:49,040 --> 03:46:51,120
» And then you said you wanted to invest

5463
03:46:51,120 --> 03:46:52,399
uh

5464
03:46:52,399 --> 03:46:54,160
>> 15,000

5465
03:46:54,160 --> 03:46:57,439
for the like 600,000 is what you're

5466
03:46:57,439 --> 03:46:58,239
saying,

5467
03:46:58,239 --> 03:47:00,960
>> right? Yeah. You get that 4%. So, you

5468
03:47:00,960 --> 03:47:03,920
probably be more at like five

5469
03:47:03,920 --> 03:47:05,600
>> five to 600,000 somewhere in there

5470
03:47:05,600 --> 03:47:08,080
>> maybe or four to five to six. Were you

5471
03:47:08,080 --> 03:47:09,760
saying the investment then covers that

5472
03:47:09,760 --> 03:47:10,479
shortfall?

5473
03:47:10,479 --> 03:47:12,239
>> Close to

5474
03:47:12,239 --> 03:47:14,720
>> what? Yeah, that's what my math was. But

5475
03:47:14,720 --> 03:47:16,800
like I said, I once I have to use be on

5476
03:47:16,800 --> 03:47:18,640
my fingers and toes like little What

5477
03:47:18,640 --> 03:47:19,279
percentage?

5478
03:47:19,279 --> 03:47:20,319
>> So far, you've done pretty good. That

5479
03:47:20,319 --> 03:47:20,640
was

5480
03:47:20,640 --> 03:47:23,120
>> 32 more than I can.

5481
03:47:23,120 --> 03:47:25,760
>> And then you said

5482
03:47:25,760 --> 03:47:27,120
tax increase,

5483
03:47:27,120 --> 03:47:31,840
>> which it to $1064.

5484
03:47:31,840 --> 03:47:34,160
>> Maybe that's we take that 500,000 out of

5485
03:47:34,160 --> 03:47:38,960
the Yeah, that 2.4 and run a deficit of

5486
03:47:38,960 --> 03:47:48,229
the that right now and that

5487
03:47:48,239 --> 03:47:49,680
» to figure out what we want to do next

5488
03:47:49,680 --> 03:47:50,479
year.

5489
03:47:50,479 --> 03:47:53,600
>> Yeah. So in my mind

5490
03:47:53,600 --> 03:47:56,160
I guess what are we anticipating years?

5491
03:47:56,160 --> 03:47:57,600
I was going to say we're not factoring

5492
03:47:57,600 --> 03:48:01,359
in the CIP like our our matching dollars

5493
03:48:01,359 --> 03:48:03,520
and any of the projects we have coming

5494
03:48:03,520 --> 03:48:06,160
down the pike and so we do need to

5495
03:48:06,160 --> 03:48:08,960
assess all of those how much we would

5496
03:48:08,960 --> 03:48:11,439
need to increase in regards to that.

5497
03:48:11,439 --> 03:48:13,520
>> So that was my thinking with the 3

5498
03:48:13,520 --> 03:48:14,800
million that we put into the general

5499
03:48:14,800 --> 03:48:17,600
fund that we can use at our discretion

5500
03:48:17,600 --> 03:48:20,960
for any of those grant matches, one-time

5501
03:48:20,960 --> 03:48:23,840
things, anything like that. 15% I

5502
03:48:23,840 --> 03:48:26,239
thought it was 600,000. I was like that

5503
03:48:26,239 --> 03:48:27,920
would cover that. So then I was going to

5504
03:48:27,920 --> 03:48:30,720
say um

5505
03:48:30,720 --> 03:48:33,520
that would cover this what was it close

5506
03:48:33,520 --> 03:48:37,520
to $600,000 deficit the 6005 to600,000

5507
03:48:37,520 --> 03:48:39,760
that we'd get from the three the 15

5508
03:48:39,760 --> 03:48:41,760
million that would kind of cover that

5509
03:48:41,760 --> 03:48:44,560
and then I was going to say we increase

5510
03:48:44,560 --> 03:48:48,000
the property tax 5% and it's an

5511
03:48:48,000 --> 03:48:50,399
automatic five 5% increase for the next

5512
03:48:50,399 --> 03:48:55,269
10 years.

5513
03:48:55,279 --> 03:48:58,319
But that ties up your Walmart credit

5514
03:48:58,319 --> 03:49:03,590
forever or at least that 10 years

5515
03:49:03,600 --> 03:49:06,560
the 15 million. But I guess one thing if

5516
03:49:06,560 --> 03:49:07,279
we're not

5517
03:49:07,279 --> 03:49:09,120
>> well can't you go back every budget and

5518
03:49:09,120 --> 03:49:11,600
say well we'll take one million out of

5519
03:49:11,600 --> 03:49:14,880
it and feel investment the investments

5520
03:49:14,880 --> 03:49:15,439
based on

5521
03:49:15,439 --> 03:49:17,600
>> then it's like does the increase of that

5522
03:49:17,600 --> 03:49:20,560
5% every year cover what you're taking

5523
03:49:20,560 --> 03:49:21,840
out of that?

5524
03:49:21,840 --> 03:49:25,359
>> Yeah. I think that well in my mind

5525
03:49:25,359 --> 03:49:28,319
obviously so since we're kind of going

5526
03:49:28,319 --> 03:49:30,000
the direction of talking about the water

5527
03:49:30,000 --> 03:49:35,040
credits specifically in my mind those

5528
03:49:35,040 --> 03:49:37,680
and I hope in the end of it all I'm on

5529
03:49:37,680 --> 03:49:40,703
the right side of history on that um

5530
03:49:40,703 --> 03:49:41,680
[snorts]

5531
03:49:41,680 --> 03:49:44,560
the it's the citizens it needs to go

5532
03:49:44,560 --> 03:49:46,239
back to the citizens and I'd like to see

5533
03:49:46,239 --> 03:49:48,239
it go back to the citizens in the form

5534
03:49:48,239 --> 03:49:52,160
of water so um

5535
03:49:52,160 --> 03:49:55,199
or some form of water. So where we

5536
03:49:55,199 --> 03:49:58,479
ensure that we're protecting future the

5537
03:49:58,479 --> 03:50:00,399
future growth of Gransville from a water

5538
03:50:00,399 --> 03:50:02,000
standpoint.

5539
03:50:02,000 --> 03:50:05,840
So whatever whatever it is, I know we

5540
03:50:05,840 --> 03:50:08,000
all have ideas in our mind what we want

5541
03:50:08,000 --> 03:50:10,160
that to be whether it's parks or roads

5542
03:50:10,160 --> 03:50:11,680
or

5543
03:50:11,680 --> 03:50:14,319
extra police officers or extra fire

5544
03:50:14,319 --> 03:50:16,560
trucks. Um, and and maybe it's a

5545
03:50:16,560 --> 03:50:18,160
combination of all of those, but we have

5546
03:50:18,160 --> 03:50:20,080
to figure out a way to maximize those

5547
03:50:20,080 --> 03:50:22,560
dollars. Like, if we're putting in

5548
03:50:22,560 --> 03:50:25,359
something that's g us a minimal return,

5549
03:50:25,359 --> 03:50:27,040
I don't know if that's the answer

5550
03:50:27,040 --> 03:50:29,600
either. Like, it's a significant amount

5551
03:50:29,600 --> 03:50:32,560
of money and it's more than the

5552
03:50:32,560 --> 03:50:34,319
city has had in probably the bank

5553
03:50:34,319 --> 03:50:36,960
account for a long time. Um, you know,

5554
03:50:36,960 --> 03:50:38,960
and we'll get our the second group of

5555
03:50:38,960 --> 03:50:40,560
that. But I think we need to be

5556
03:50:40,560 --> 03:50:42,960
strategic on what we do with this

5557
03:50:42,960 --> 03:50:45,439
specifically and how the second group,

5558
03:50:45,439 --> 03:50:48,800
you know, if if it was part of the

5559
03:50:48,800 --> 03:50:53,600
agreement comes in. So anyway, I I just

5560
03:50:53,600 --> 03:51:02,389
since we're on that topic, I I that's my thought and feel on it.

5561
03:51:02,399 --> 03:51:04,000
» Just to throw another thought out there

5562
03:51:04,000 --> 03:51:06,720
on those funds that just came into my

5563
03:51:06,720 --> 03:51:10,000
mind. Um, let's just say you're putting

5564
03:51:10,000 --> 03:51:14,960
15 million away and you don't do a road.

5565
03:51:14,960 --> 03:51:16,640
Let's just use that as an example. So,

5566
03:51:16,640 --> 03:51:18,399
you don't build a road and you put the

5567
03:51:18,399 --> 03:51:21,520
money into those funds and you get the

5568
03:51:21,520 --> 03:51:24,160
interest, but you still have to build

5569
03:51:24,160 --> 03:51:26,319
the road, let's say, in two years, but

5570
03:51:26,319 --> 03:51:28,000
the price to build the road was up

5571
03:51:28,000 --> 03:51:30,960
higher now than all the interest that

5572
03:51:30,960 --> 03:51:32,720
you gained. And so, really, you lost

5573
03:51:32,720 --> 03:51:35,840
money by not doing the project. Now, I'm

5574
03:51:35,840 --> 03:51:37,840
just a thought. I don't I don't know.

5575
03:51:37,840 --> 03:51:39,760
Just throwing that thought out there.

5576
03:51:39,760 --> 03:51:41,279
>> Yeah. I mean, there's

5577
03:51:41,279 --> 03:51:42,880
>> that'd be like purchasing the fire

5578
03:51:42,880 --> 03:51:43,520
truck.

5579
03:51:43,520 --> 03:51:44,160
>> Yep.

5580
03:51:44,160 --> 03:51:45,760
>> The one time I purchase now as opposed

5581
03:51:45,760 --> 03:51:47,279
to later.

5582
03:51:47,279 --> 03:51:49,600
>> And I think it boils down to what we

5583
03:51:49,600 --> 03:51:51,520
what immediate needs we have and what we

5584
03:51:51,520 --> 03:51:53,520
feel it's immediate priority. And in

5585
03:51:53,520 --> 03:51:56,290
some situations, it's

5586
03:51:56,290 --> 03:51:58,560
[clears throat and cough] it's a tasers.

5587
03:51:58,560 --> 03:52:00,560
If we need to have tasers, if our guys

5588
03:52:00,560 --> 03:52:01,840
need to be equipped with what they need

5589
03:52:01,840 --> 03:52:03,120
to be equipped with, then we have to

5590
03:52:03,120 --> 03:52:04,960
really look at that. If it's a fire

5591
03:52:04,960 --> 03:52:07,760
truck and preparation for a firet truck,

5592
03:52:07,760 --> 03:52:09,680
then that's what it is. And we separate

5593
03:52:09,680 --> 03:52:12,800
that and then we figure out how to best

5594
03:52:12,800 --> 03:52:17,279
utilize what's remaining and make and maximize

5595
03:52:17,279 --> 03:52:20,960
it. I I like the idea of, you know,

5596
03:52:20,960 --> 03:52:22,880
looking at grants specifically that

5597
03:52:22,880 --> 03:52:25,359
duplicate our dollars. Um, if we can

5598
03:52:25,359 --> 03:52:27,199
have take a million dollars and turn it

5599
03:52:27,199 --> 03:52:30,319
into two, then that's a great investment

5600
03:52:30,319 --> 03:52:33,359
in my opinion. you know, that is

5601
03:52:33,359 --> 03:52:36,399
doubling your money. Like, that would be

5602
03:52:36,399 --> 03:52:38,479
something that makes complete sense. But

5603
03:52:38,479 --> 03:52:40,160
if it's something where we we put it

5604
03:52:40,160 --> 03:52:42,319
into, you know, we bury it in the dirt

5605
03:52:42,319 --> 03:52:45,120
and hope it's going to all be there when

5606
03:52:45,120 --> 03:52:46,720
we dig it all back out, I don't know if

5607
03:52:46,720 --> 03:52:58,710
that's the best thing for the city,

5608
03:52:58,720 --> 03:53:00,160
but I really like where we're going with

5609
03:53:00,160 --> 03:53:01,920
this. I I think

5610
03:53:01,920 --> 03:53:05,920
to I from a percentage standpoint

5611
03:53:05,920 --> 03:53:10,550
if that's a combination of

5612
03:53:10,560 --> 03:53:13,680
trying trying to using those dollars

5613
03:53:13,680 --> 03:53:16,960
that we that we're going to get to to

5614
03:53:16,960 --> 03:53:20,319
benefit the residents

5615
03:53:20,319 --> 03:53:23,359
for a situation that we're in because we

5616
03:53:23,359 --> 03:53:25,760
haven't raised taxes since 97 or

5617
03:53:25,760 --> 03:53:27,199
whatever. I think that's

5618
03:53:27,199 --> 03:53:28,960
>> that's just how far the records go back.

5619
03:53:28,960 --> 03:53:29,199
Yeah.

5620
03:53:29,199 --> 03:53:31,199
>> Yeah. [laughter] The last increase was

5621
03:53:31,199 --> 03:53:34,399
2010. So 16 years and then we had two

5622
03:53:34,399 --> 03:53:35,040
decreases.

5623
03:53:35,040 --> 03:53:37,359
>> But we don't we don't avoid an increase.

5624
03:53:37,359 --> 03:53:39,840
There's no way we avoid an increase. So

5625
03:53:39,840 --> 03:53:42,880
and and and

5626
03:53:42,880 --> 03:53:46,080
it's not, you know, I think we've we've

5627
03:53:46,080 --> 03:53:47,920
spent

5628
03:53:47,920 --> 03:53:50,000
how many hours going through and you

5629
03:53:50,000 --> 03:53:51,359
guys have spent how many hours going

5630
03:53:51,359 --> 03:53:53,920
through it? And all of us probably spent

5631
03:53:53,920 --> 03:53:55,520
all weekend trying to figure out other

5632
03:53:55,520 --> 03:54:00,239
options and and avenues. Um,

5633
03:54:00,239 --> 03:54:05,120
I think that

5634
03:54:05,120 --> 03:54:08,960
there's there's an increase there that has to be there obviously to help

5635
03:54:08,960 --> 03:54:10,640
balance, but I think there are ways we

5636
03:54:10,640 --> 03:54:14,399
can we can we can do both. We can try to

5637
03:54:14,399 --> 03:54:16,479
find the areas in which we can save and

5638
03:54:16,479 --> 03:54:22,239
then we can figure out how to use,

5639
03:54:22,239 --> 03:54:24,720
you know, potential funds to help

5640
03:54:24,720 --> 03:54:25,920
minimize [clears throat] the impact to

5641
03:54:25,920 --> 03:54:28,720
the residents. I think that's it's a

5642
03:54:28,720 --> 03:54:33,990
double win.

5643
03:54:34,000 --> 03:54:36,800
So I guess um

5644
03:54:36,800 --> 03:54:39,279
we'll go and find out kind of our

5645
03:54:39,279 --> 03:54:45,600
percentage we can um invest this money

5646
03:54:45,600 --> 03:54:48,399
either I guess what amount is I guess

5647
03:54:48,399 --> 03:54:50,000
what we'd want to know either the full

5648
03:54:50,000 --> 03:54:52,080
amount 15 depends on the percentage

5649
03:54:52,080 --> 03:54:53,439
>> correct of course

5650
03:54:53,439 --> 03:54:56,319
>> but also it depends on

5651
03:54:56,319 --> 03:55:00,640
how long you want it to be reoccurring

5652
03:55:00,640 --> 03:55:02,800
>> is It affects the percent is what

5653
03:55:02,800 --> 03:55:04,319
they're telling us.

5654
03:55:04,319 --> 03:55:05,920
>> Who's our general account with? I mean,

5655
03:55:05,920 --> 03:55:08,080
what do who do we bank with?

5656
03:55:08,080 --> 03:55:09,920
>> I guess I should know that.

5657
03:55:09,920 --> 03:55:11,279
>> Key bank.

5658
03:55:11,279 --> 03:55:11,840
>> Yeah,

5659
03:55:11,840 --> 03:55:14,239
>> this probably be invested with PTIP

5660
03:55:14,239 --> 03:55:15,279
though, right?

5661
03:55:15,279 --> 03:55:18,319
>> So, PTIP isn't an option. Um, just

5662
03:55:18,319 --> 03:55:20,479
because we we are a municipality, we are

5663
03:55:20,479 --> 03:55:22,319
somewhat restricted in our investments,

5664
03:55:22,319 --> 03:55:23,680
right? It's not like on the regular

5665
03:55:23,680 --> 03:55:26,000
stock market to be it's too risky. You

5666
03:55:26,000 --> 03:55:29,760
can't invest in a sweeps account that sweeps our money into the Grand

5667
03:55:29,760 --> 03:55:32,399
Cayman's every every day and we we get

5668
03:55:32,399 --> 03:55:32,960
back in.

5669
03:55:32,960 --> 03:55:35,199
>> We did look we did meet with an

5670
03:55:35,199 --> 03:55:36,880
investment group, an investment bank

5671
03:55:36,880 --> 03:55:39,680
that's not it's not key um a couple of

5672
03:55:39,680 --> 03:55:41,840
weeks ago um and they did have a

5673
03:55:41,840 --> 03:55:43,680
percentage I think it was like 3.4 but

5674
03:55:43,680 --> 03:55:47,359
that's not a far cry from where our PIS

5675
03:55:47,359 --> 03:55:50,000
are sitting right now anyway.

5676
03:55:50,000 --> 03:55:51,840
Um,

5677
03:55:51,840 --> 03:55:54,880
and so, and one thing that I do want to

5678
03:55:54,880 --> 03:55:58,080
just verify is depending on where we put

5679
03:55:58,080 --> 03:55:59,680
that$ 18 million, how it affects our

5680
03:55:59,680 --> 03:56:02,800
fund balance with that 35% cap because

5681
03:56:02,800 --> 03:56:04,800
putting the 18 million into fund balance

5682
03:56:04,800 --> 03:56:05,199
would

5683
03:56:05,199 --> 03:56:05,920
>> put us over

5684
03:56:05,920 --> 03:56:07,359
>> for our general fund balance would put

5685
03:56:07,359 --> 03:56:08,880
us over that. So, that is something to

5686
03:56:08,880 --> 03:56:11,840
consider. But, if it's invested,

5687
03:56:11,840 --> 03:56:14,000
>> I don't I I just need to clarify how

5688
03:56:14,000 --> 03:56:16,239
that ends up tying up in relation to

5689
03:56:16,239 --> 03:56:18,399
what's considered in our fund balance

5690
03:56:18,399 --> 03:56:20,960
procedure. So

5691
03:56:20,960 --> 03:56:24,319
>> projects that take the interest.

5692
03:56:24,319 --> 03:56:26,479
>> Yeah, it could maybe end up need to be

5693
03:56:26,479 --> 03:56:28,479
some sort of hybrid, but I could see

5694
03:56:28,479 --> 03:56:30,399
what our max we could do there would be

5695
03:56:30,399 --> 03:56:35,990
and then kind of go from there.

5696
03:56:36,000 --> 03:56:38,640
» I just want to randomly ask any of our

5697
03:56:38,640 --> 03:56:40,720
staff that's here,

5698
03:56:40,720 --> 03:56:42,479
do you have any ideas that we're not

5699
03:56:42,479 --> 03:56:44,160
thinking about? Do you have some outside

5700
03:56:44,160 --> 03:56:47,120
the outside the box ideas that you are

5701
03:56:47,120 --> 03:56:48,560
thinking in your mind and you don't

5702
03:56:48,560 --> 03:56:50,319
think you should share, but I'm asking

5703
03:56:50,319 --> 03:56:55,030
you to?

5704
03:56:55,040 --> 03:56:56,960
Well, I'm thinking like what can we

5705
03:56:56,960 --> 03:56:59,920
automate

5706
03:56:59,920 --> 03:57:02,080
to make things

5707
03:57:02,080 --> 03:57:04,720
more efficient?

5708
03:57:04,720 --> 03:57:06,239
I don't know if that would save us any

5709
03:57:06,239 --> 03:57:09,750
money, but

5710
03:57:09,760 --> 03:57:13,510
» like what

5711
03:57:13,520 --> 03:57:15,840
like

5712
03:57:15,840 --> 03:57:17,760
payments.

5713
03:57:17,760 --> 03:57:20,080
I don't know. Online,

5714
03:57:20,080 --> 03:57:22,239
signing up for services online instead

5715
03:57:22,239 --> 03:57:30,229
of having to come in.

5716
03:57:30,239 --> 03:57:34,160
» It's going to cost money to Yeah. get to get there. Yeah.

5717
03:57:34,160 --> 03:57:35,920
>> That would be more of an investment in

5718
03:57:35,920 --> 03:57:37,520
the future for sure. They

5719
03:57:37,520 --> 03:57:42,080
>> could reduce all our hours here.

5720
03:57:42,080 --> 03:57:46,479
go to maybe a 410 or something like that

5721
03:57:46,479 --> 03:57:50,560
>> could reduce staff hours. Yeah,

5722
03:57:50,560 --> 03:57:52,479
>> I asked about that too. Like would it

5723
03:57:52,479 --> 03:57:55,520
save us on, you know, like

5724
03:57:55,520 --> 03:57:59,429
>> utility fees

5725
03:57:59,439 --> 03:58:03,520
» and would it would it make it worth it,

5726
03:58:03,520 --> 03:58:04,000
>> right?

5727
03:58:04,000 --> 03:58:06,479
>> Have buildings closed

5728
03:58:06,479 --> 03:58:07,359
>> Fridays.

5729
03:58:07,359 --> 03:58:09,359
>> Yeah.

5730
03:58:09,359 --> 03:58:10,640
He's not going to be able to close on

5731
03:58:10,640 --> 03:58:11,439
Fridays

5732
03:58:11,439 --> 03:58:14,875
>> 247.

5733
03:58:14,885 --> 03:58:15,199
[clears throat]

5734
03:58:15,199 --> 03:58:18,159
>> So that's probably your busiest day.

5735
03:58:18,159 --> 03:58:20,399
[laughter] Friday after 5.

5736
03:58:20,399 --> 03:58:22,239
>> It's the silver treatment plant busiest

5737
03:58:22,239 --> 03:58:27,510
day Sunday morning, right? [laughter]

5738
03:58:27,520 --> 03:58:29,760
» Any other ideas someone wants to throw

5739
03:58:29,760 --> 03:58:31,920
out?

5740
03:58:31,920 --> 03:58:33,680
>> So you're talking about investing. I

5741
03:58:33,680 --> 03:58:38,080
just wondered if um you looked at a CD

5742
03:58:38,080 --> 03:58:40,080
or if that's what

5743
03:58:40,080 --> 03:58:41,439
>> that's kind of what they're saying is

5744
03:58:41,439 --> 03:58:44,479
like they they phase the CD or the the

5745
03:58:44,479 --> 03:58:46,640
money in at different time frames to

5746
03:58:46,640 --> 03:58:47,840
maximize that interest.

5747
03:58:47,840 --> 03:58:49,760
>> Okay. So it's a CD.

5748
03:58:49,760 --> 03:58:51,040
>> Yeah.

5749
03:58:51,040 --> 03:58:52,880
>> Basically, yeah, but they have to do it

5750
03:58:52,880 --> 03:58:54,239
according all the rules for

5751
03:58:54,239 --> 03:58:55,520
municipalities,

5752
03:58:55,520 --> 03:58:58,880
>> right? I just um in our my previous

5753
03:58:58,880 --> 03:59:01,840
municipality we invested a CD and it

5754
03:59:01,840 --> 03:59:04,399
yielded a pretty high percentage rate

5755
03:59:04,399 --> 03:59:06,080
and then we also did it for the UMC

5756
03:59:06,080 --> 03:59:08,880
board as well. So I know it can be done

5757
03:59:08,880 --> 03:59:17,429
and it's usually higher interest rate.

5758
03:59:17,439 --> 03:59:21,670
» Any other ideas

5759
03:59:21,680 --> 03:59:24,315
start selling Grantville merch?

5760
03:59:24,315 --> 03:59:25,279
[laughter]

5761
03:59:25,279 --> 03:59:27,760
Cost money.

5762
03:59:27,760 --> 03:59:28,479
>> Cost money.

5763
03:59:28,479 --> 03:59:31,279
>> Increase the budget. Offset it.

5764
03:59:31,279 --> 03:59:34,000
>> But it would be cute. [laughter]

5765
03:59:34,000 --> 03:59:38,070
>> All of our supporters would

5766
03:59:38,070 --> 03:59:38,479
[laughter]

5767
03:59:38,479 --> 03:59:41,120
>> um influencers.

5768
03:59:41,120 --> 03:59:44,319
>> Do we have property we could sell?

5769
03:59:44,319 --> 03:59:46,960
>> Do we have

5770
03:59:46,960 --> 03:59:49,840
um

5771
03:59:49,840 --> 03:59:54,630
any property we could lease?

5772
03:59:54,640 --> 03:59:55,439
Um,

5773
03:59:55,439 --> 03:59:57,439
>> yeah, at least the baseball hits.

5774
03:59:57,439 --> 03:59:59,279
>> That's right. [laughter] There we go.

5775
03:59:59,279 --> 04:00:02,640
>> Wait to talk about

5776
04:00:02,640 --> 04:00:04,160
We still have to talk about that.

5777
04:00:04,160 --> 04:00:07,279
>> Yeah, [laughter] dude.

5778
04:00:07,279 --> 04:00:09,680
>> Okay. Are we Do we feel Is there

5779
04:00:09,680 --> 04:00:11,120
anything else that anybody would I mean,

5780
04:00:11,120 --> 04:00:13,520
this is just a discussion obviously.

5781
04:00:13,520 --> 04:00:15,520
>> Are we finished hashing that this out?

5782
04:00:15,520 --> 04:00:17,199
We can all sleep on this tonight.

5783
04:00:17,199 --> 04:00:19,439
>> Well, back to to Derek's the numbers

5784
04:00:19,439 --> 04:00:21,279
that we put in there. That that half a

5785
04:00:21,279 --> 04:00:23,199
million dollars. Where is that coming

5786
04:00:23,199 --> 04:00:25,040
from? Is that coming from the interest?

5787
04:00:25,040 --> 04:00:26,880
Is that is that is that where we're at

5788
04:00:26,880 --> 04:00:27,920
with that?

5789
04:00:27,920 --> 04:00:29,439
>> It was unclear.

5790
04:00:29,439 --> 04:00:31,279
>> I think he would want us to cut it from

5791
04:00:31,279 --> 04:00:32,880
the budget itself.

5792
04:00:32,880 --> 04:00:35,359
>> Yeah.

5793
04:00:35,359 --> 04:00:40,000
>> Get up to 15% reduction from 26 2026.

5794
04:00:40,000 --> 04:00:40,399
Sorry.

5795
04:00:40,399 --> 04:00:42,960
>> Not 2026, from the proposed 2027 budget

5796
04:00:42,960 --> 04:00:45,120
that they gave us the other day. Right.

5797
04:00:45,120 --> 04:00:48,160
>> No, that's from 2026 budget.

5798
04:00:48,160 --> 04:00:48,800
>> Okay.

5799
04:00:48,800 --> 04:00:49,920
>> And there we're I mean we're almost

5800
04:00:49,920 --> 04:00:50,560
there. We're at

5801
04:00:50,560 --> 04:00:53,520
>> Okay. almost 11% from what they did

5802
04:00:53,520 --> 04:00:54,880
before the meeting tonight.

5803
04:00:54,880 --> 04:00:57,279
>> Yeah. So, we're taking it from that

5804
04:00:57,279 --> 04:00:59,760
16,365

5805
04:00:59,760 --> 04:01:00,800
down to

5806
04:01:00,800 --> 04:01:03,680
>> finding another 13,900,000.

5807
04:01:03,680 --> 04:01:05,760
>> I guess the only other option you want

5808
04:01:05,760 --> 04:01:08,160
to really reduce it down is to find uh

5809
04:01:08,160 --> 04:01:10,479
employees that are fulltime and make

5810
04:01:10,479 --> 04:01:12,319
them part-time, then you cut off the

5811
04:01:12,319 --> 04:01:13,760
benefits.

5812
04:01:13,760 --> 04:01:15,680
>> That's the next big [clears throat]

5813
04:01:15,680 --> 04:01:16,800
to go to.

5814
04:01:16,800 --> 04:01:18,239
>> But like every department said they're

5815
04:01:18,239 --> 04:01:19,279
running thin. So,

5816
04:01:19,279 --> 04:01:21,199
>> correct. I mean, maybe not.

5817
04:01:21,199 --> 04:01:23,920
>> Then you reduce services like

5818
04:01:23,920 --> 04:01:26,720
hours in at city hall. Do we need to be

5819
04:01:26,720 --> 04:01:30,399
here from 8 to 6 every day, 5 days a

5820
04:01:30,399 --> 04:01:33,040
week? If we don't, then what hour do we

5821
04:01:33,040 --> 04:01:34,560
want to have open? And then we reduce

5822
04:01:34,560 --> 04:01:37,120
that time in that area. Do you want your

5823
04:01:37,120 --> 04:01:40,880
library open the hours that it's reduce

5824
04:01:40,880 --> 04:01:42,960
that time there?

5825
04:01:42,960 --> 04:01:44,560
I guess it's just again what kind of

5826
04:01:44,560 --> 04:01:47,600
service do you want to have? How many

5827
04:01:47,600 --> 04:01:49,920
don't necessarily want to go to works

5828
04:01:49,920 --> 04:01:51,279
and reduce staff there because we

5829
04:01:51,279 --> 04:01:54,239
already we're in a good place right now.

5830
04:01:54,239 --> 04:01:56,880
>> But we have done that. We as we are

5831
04:01:56,880 --> 04:01:59,600
looking at new positions, right? Instead

5832
04:01:59,600 --> 04:02:02,319
of it being a full-time position, we do

5833
04:02:02,319 --> 04:02:04,319
two part-time positions. So that will

5834
04:02:04,319 --> 04:02:06,720
that cuts their benefits.

5835
04:02:06,720 --> 04:02:10,080
We've done that with your parks.

5836
04:02:10,080 --> 04:02:13,279
But I think

5837
04:02:13,279 --> 04:02:16,080
I guess finding an interest rate carry

5838
04:02:16,080 --> 04:02:18,319
over the years because again at some

5839
04:02:18,319 --> 04:02:20,880
point the real goal is the hard part of

5840
04:02:20,880 --> 04:02:23,040
our residents is that we never really

5841
04:02:23,040 --> 04:02:25,600
increased it significantly and they're

5842
04:02:25,600 --> 04:02:27,520
bearing the entire brunt of this because

5843
04:02:27,520 --> 04:02:30,160
we don't have the businesses in here to

5844
04:02:30,160 --> 04:02:34,880
help offset that going forward. So

5845
04:02:34,880 --> 04:02:37,040
I'm hoping with the event of like the

5846
04:02:37,040 --> 04:02:39,040
nuclear campus if that does get selected

5847
04:02:39,040 --> 04:02:41,120
here in Utah coming forward that might

5848
04:02:41,120 --> 04:02:44,560
spur more of that again like business

5849
04:02:44,560 --> 04:02:46,640
parks picking up. We don't get a lot of

5850
04:02:46,640 --> 04:02:49,439
that right now because of the RDA that

5851
04:02:49,439 --> 04:02:51,120
was agreed on before, but there is a

5852
04:02:51,120 --> 04:02:52,880
percentage of that that is there.

5853
04:02:52,880 --> 04:02:55,120
>> We don't get it. We property taxes, but

5854
04:02:55,120 --> 04:02:58,160
we will get the passive for sales tax.

5855
04:02:58,160 --> 04:03:01,520
Granted, a lot of them are not really

5856
04:03:01,520 --> 04:03:02,160
like

5857
04:03:02,160 --> 04:03:02,960
>> point to sell,

5858
04:03:02,960 --> 04:03:03,520
>> right?

5859
04:03:03,520 --> 04:03:05,520
>> Correct. So

5860
04:03:05,520 --> 04:03:07,920
>> and then next year soul birds will be

5861
04:03:07,920 --> 04:03:10,399
opening up or later this year

5862
04:03:10,399 --> 04:03:12,479
>> and so there are some shifts that will

5863
04:03:12,479 --> 04:03:14,319
be coming and again if we can really

5864
04:03:14,319 --> 04:03:16,640
target getting more businesses and

5865
04:03:16,640 --> 04:03:18,319
spending that's what I'm saying I would

5866
04:03:18,319 --> 04:03:21,279
suggest that we look at that that fund

5867
04:03:21,279 --> 04:03:23,760
of that water credit is going to water

5868
04:03:23,760 --> 04:03:26,479
but going towards attracting making this

5869
04:03:26,479 --> 04:03:28,399
a really business friendly so we can get

5870
04:03:28,399 --> 04:03:31,279
those here is really what would offset

5871
04:03:31,279 --> 04:03:35,750
the burden on the residents for grants.

5872
04:03:35,760 --> 04:03:38,160
And how and what kind of programs or

5873
04:03:38,160 --> 04:03:40,319
incentives do we want to do that? I know

5874
04:03:40,319 --> 04:03:42,880
that it's not great, but if we get more

5875
04:03:42,880 --> 04:03:44,720
businesses here, that's going to offset

5876
04:03:44,720 --> 04:03:46,640
the tax dollar that the residents have

5877
04:03:46,640 --> 04:03:49,439
to pay.

5878
04:03:49,439 --> 04:03:52,239
I guess keep that in mind. How what you

5879
04:03:52,239 --> 04:03:54,720
want to spend that on? How you want to

5880
04:03:54,720 --> 04:03:58,160
develop like a town center for trans?

5881
04:03:58,160 --> 04:03:59,680
Like what does that look like? If we do

5882
04:03:59,680 --> 04:04:02,239
have exponential growth, what kind of

5883
04:04:02,239 --> 04:04:03,680
city hall? Because that we're going to

5884
04:04:03,680 --> 04:04:05,040
need more space because right now

5885
04:04:05,040 --> 04:04:07,120
there's not a lot of PE or office space

5886
04:04:07,120 --> 04:04:09,120
in public works right now. That's going

5887
04:04:09,120 --> 04:04:11,120
to be a factor that we need to address.

5888
04:04:11,120 --> 04:04:13,840
Is we just buy more portables or get

5889
04:04:13,840 --> 04:04:16,479
portables to put there or do we create a

5890
04:04:16,479 --> 04:04:18,720
town center space that would generate

5891
04:04:18,720 --> 04:04:21,199
money based on that revenue of being in

5892
04:04:21,199 --> 04:04:24,479
proximity to a local town center and get

5893
04:04:24,479 --> 04:04:26,640
businesses around that? I guess that's

5894
04:04:26,640 --> 04:04:29,520
what help you to decide and factor in as

5895
04:04:29,520 --> 04:04:31,439
part of this conversation how to spend

5896
04:04:31,439 --> 04:04:33,760
that water uh credit money is where I

5897
04:04:33,760 --> 04:04:46,389
would suggest that we look at as well

5898
04:04:46,399 --> 04:04:49,920
some big picture planning

5899
04:04:49,920 --> 04:04:54,000
sustainability you know running lean

5900
04:04:54,000 --> 04:04:58,319
hiring freezes increase freezes.

5901
04:04:58,319 --> 04:05:00,080
What does that look like long term? You

5902
04:05:00,080 --> 04:05:02,560
know, how long do we

5903
04:05:02,560 --> 04:05:04,800
do that kind of things? How long do we

5904
04:05:04,800 --> 04:05:06,640
not give departments asks for equipment

5905
04:05:06,640 --> 04:05:09,279
they need? Because as we grow, the need

5906
04:05:09,279 --> 04:05:21,429
for services is only going to go up.

5907
04:05:21,439 --> 04:05:24,239
We could have people work remote. That

5908
04:05:24,239 --> 04:05:29,030
would cut down on some supply costs.

5909
04:05:29,040 --> 04:05:31,040
I mean, would it cut down on enough?

5910
04:05:31,040 --> 04:05:34,160
Probably not. But

5911
04:05:34,160 --> 04:05:39,349
people did it during co

5912
04:05:39,359 --> 04:05:41,920
» but not all all positions.

5913
04:05:41,920 --> 04:05:44,560
>> Not all positions. I mean she definitely

5914
04:05:44,560 --> 04:05:47,199
could be [laughter]

5915
04:05:47,199 --> 04:05:54,150
>> park.

5916
04:05:54,160 --> 04:05:58,960
» So back to focusing on the actual budget

5917
04:05:58,960 --> 04:06:01,840
here and what we have this number 1

5918
04:06:01,840 --> 04:06:03,359
million

5919
04:06:03,359 --> 04:06:05,760
158,332

5920
04:06:05,760 --> 04:06:07,920
that's our budget deficit as it stands

5921
04:06:07,920 --> 04:06:12,160
right now. So, and this this number

5922
04:06:12,160 --> 04:06:14,800
includes the 5% cola. We we have that

5923
04:06:14,800 --> 04:06:19,439
built into sorry 5% sorry 3% cola.

5924
04:06:19,439 --> 04:06:21,359
>> That's that's built into there.

5925
04:06:21,359 --> 04:06:24,479
>> So, we we one of two ways. I mean, you

5926
04:06:24,479 --> 04:06:27,120
said $250,000,

5927
04:06:27,120 --> 04:06:28,640
right?

5928
04:06:28,640 --> 04:06:32,319
>> Um for that that cola increase. You you

5929
04:06:32,319 --> 04:06:34,720
suggested we freeze all salaried

5930
04:06:34,720 --> 04:06:37,279
employees.

5931
04:06:37,279 --> 04:06:41,120
So, I mean, if we if we increase the

5932
04:06:41,120 --> 04:06:43,199
revenue

5933
04:06:43,199 --> 04:06:45,840
um if we increase the revenue line by

5934
04:06:45,840 --> 04:06:47,359
$500,000,

5935
04:06:47,359 --> 04:06:50,960
that get that gets us to our number,

5936
04:06:50,960 --> 04:06:53,359
right? Do you agree that that gets you?

5937
04:06:53,359 --> 04:06:58,399
It it doesn't get you the the $3,900,000

5938
04:06:58,399 --> 04:07:01,279
that you were asking for, but that

5939
04:07:01,279 --> 04:07:03,520
interest does

5940
04:07:03,520 --> 04:07:06,880
um does decrease that that amount to

5941
04:07:06,880 --> 04:07:09,840
what you're after without doing the COLA

5942
04:07:09,840 --> 04:07:12,000
decreasing or taking that completely

5943
04:07:12,000 --> 04:07:13,680
out?

5944
04:07:13,680 --> 04:07:16,319
or are you suggesting that we take that

5945
04:07:16,319 --> 04:07:20,160
completely out and add revenue

5946
04:07:20,160 --> 04:07:23,439
um from the interest up above which

5947
04:07:23,439 --> 04:07:25,520
would make that number even go even less

5948
04:07:25,520 --> 04:07:32,150
same bolt

5949
04:07:32,160 --> 04:07:33,840
and I mentioned our pay you want to go

5950
04:07:33,840 --> 04:07:36,000
into that too that saves

5951
04:07:36,000 --> 04:07:37,199
>> some of us don't get paid

5952
04:07:37,199 --> 04:07:39,120
>> 40 to $60,000

5953
04:07:39,120 --> 04:07:41,199
>> anyways

5954
04:07:41,199 --> 04:07:43,520
>> Aspen how much do we have in tuition

5955
04:07:43,520 --> 04:07:44,800
reimbursement

5956
04:07:44,800 --> 04:07:46,960
>> right now. I think it's just over

5957
04:07:46,960 --> 04:07:48,319
15,000.

5958
04:07:48,319 --> 04:07:53,110
>> Okay.

5959
04:07:53,120 --> 04:07:54,640
» 15450

5960
04:07:54,640 --> 04:07:57,520
is proposed.

5961
04:07:57,520 --> 04:08:11,110
>> I mean, we could stop that for a year.

5962
04:08:11,120 --> 04:08:13,359
I think it's a little I mean I know

5963
04:08:13,359 --> 04:08:14,720
we're trying to look for stuff here and

5964
04:08:14,720 --> 04:08:16,000
there but

5965
04:08:16,000 --> 04:08:18,800
>> they're way get more trained more

5966
04:08:18,800 --> 04:08:19,520
effective.

5967
04:08:19,520 --> 04:08:22,479
>> Yeah, you have also like don't we have

5968
04:08:22,479 --> 04:08:23,680
like they have to stay with the city for

5969
04:08:23,680 --> 04:08:25,279
so long do

5970
04:08:25,279 --> 04:08:27,359
>> so then they're not leaving [laughter]

5971
04:08:27,359 --> 04:08:29,760
it. It kind of benefits us too if

5972
04:08:29,760 --> 04:08:33,670
they're doing

5973
04:08:33,680 --> 04:08:35,439
» I'm fine with us focusing on the little

5974
04:08:35,439 --> 04:08:38,720
things, but I mean really I mean the

5975
04:08:38,720 --> 04:08:42,239
revenue moves the needle and the the

5976
04:08:42,239 --> 04:08:44,720
decrease moves the needle as well. So if

5977
04:08:44,720 --> 04:08:47,359
that's what we're talking about then I

5978
04:08:47,359 --> 04:08:51,439
mean let's let's focus on that or let's focus on all these little

5979
04:08:51,439 --> 04:08:52,319
things as well.

5980
04:08:52,319 --> 04:08:53,439
>> When you're saying the revenue are you

5981
04:08:53,439 --> 04:08:54,479
seeing the revenue from the interest? Is

5982
04:08:54,479 --> 04:08:56,000
that where you're adding that in that

5983
04:08:56,000 --> 04:08:57,600
500? I mean that's that's that's the way

5984
04:08:57,600 --> 04:08:58,319
you balance it.

5985
04:08:58,319 --> 04:08:59,199
>> Yeah. I think that's

5986
04:08:59,199 --> 04:09:00,560
>> you got to get revenue going in.

5987
04:09:00,560 --> 04:09:00,960
>> Yeah.

5988
04:09:00,960 --> 04:09:04,160
>> We either use it from you know what we

5989
04:09:04,160 --> 04:09:06,479
what we've robbed from for the past five

5990
04:09:06,479 --> 04:09:09,040
years which is

5991
04:09:09,040 --> 04:09:09,600
>> general fund.

5992
04:09:09,600 --> 04:09:10,960
>> The general fund.

5993
04:09:10,960 --> 04:09:14,560
>> I mean you can subsidize with that.

5994
04:09:14,560 --> 04:09:16,479
You can subsidize it by putting $3

5995
04:09:16,479 --> 04:09:20,720
million infused from you know like you

5996
04:09:20,720 --> 04:09:22,399
suggested.

5997
04:09:22,399 --> 04:09:24,479
But then you you you want to designate

5998
04:09:24,479 --> 04:09:27,120
certain line items to be able to those

5999
04:09:27,120 --> 04:09:29,760
onetime purchases.

6000
04:09:29,760 --> 04:09:33,472
I like the jaws of life. So

6001
04:09:33,472 --> 04:09:35,359
[clears throat] a fire truck, a used one

6002
04:09:35,359 --> 04:09:39,990
for now, right?

6003
04:09:40,000 --> 04:09:42,080
So I guess what do you want to put in

6004
04:09:42,080 --> 04:09:46,479
here right now? I say add the 600,000.

6005
04:09:46,479 --> 04:09:48,720
Get that for the interest and see where

6006
04:09:48,720 --> 04:09:51,600
we're at. Well, 600,000 is for the full

6007
04:09:51,600 --> 04:09:52,640
18 million, right?

6008
04:09:52,640 --> 04:09:53,680
>> Yeah,

6009
04:09:53,680 --> 04:09:55,680
>> that was 700,000 for the full 18

6010
04:09:55,680 --> 04:09:56,000
million.

6011
04:09:56,000 --> 04:09:57,120
>> Oh, okay. Sorry.

6012
04:09:57,120 --> 04:09:59,920
>> The other day, but you're going to dig into that.

6013
04:09:59,920 --> 04:10:01,199
>> Yeah, we're going to try to get the best

6014
04:10:01,199 --> 04:10:03,520
interest on there. But then then I guess

6015
04:10:03,520 --> 04:10:05,840
the proposal that that is the case, then

6016
04:10:05,840 --> 04:10:11,269
it takes down to

6017
04:10:11,279 --> 04:10:12,399
» I don't know what you're looking for.

6018
04:10:12,399 --> 04:10:12,960
I'm sorry.

6019
04:10:12,960 --> 04:10:15,040
>> The main number is that have the

6020
04:10:15,040 --> 04:10:17,760
remainder of like the 600,000

6021
04:10:17,760 --> 04:10:20,000
>> main number for how much we save.

6022
04:10:20,000 --> 04:10:22,880
>> So if we got 3.4% off the 15 million we

6023
04:10:22,880 --> 04:10:24,800
put in that's 510,000.

6024
04:10:24,800 --> 04:10:26,640
>> So what's the remainder this number

6025
04:10:26,640 --> 04:10:30,160
left? So we need to come up with

6026
04:10:30,160 --> 04:10:33,439
if that takes six then you have 600,000

6027
04:10:33,439 --> 04:10:34,800
that you're still going to make up for

6028
04:10:34,800 --> 04:10:36,560
whether you take that out of your

6029
04:10:36,560 --> 04:10:38,319
current budget or you raise taxes on

6030
04:10:38,319 --> 04:10:38,880
that.

6031
04:10:38,880 --> 04:10:43,269
>> What would that increase be at the

6032
04:10:43,279 --> 04:10:44,960
40% or something? What's that?

6033
04:10:44,960 --> 04:10:46,960
>> I think it was 30. So I guess Okay, hold

6034
04:10:46,960 --> 04:10:49,199
on. I guess I'm

6035
04:10:49,199 --> 04:10:50,640
Are you guys wanting to give me a

6036
04:10:50,640 --> 04:10:52,399
percentage that you're wanting to raise

6037
04:10:52,399 --> 04:10:54,479
taxes to and then we can look?

6038
04:10:54,479 --> 04:10:56,560
>> No, we're saying if if we use those

6039
04:10:56,560 --> 04:10:59,439
600,000 interest from the water credit

6040
04:10:59,439 --> 04:11:02,160
funds that go to here. So we need to

6041
04:11:02,160 --> 04:11:04,080
basically say the salaries increased on

6042
04:11:04,080 --> 04:11:08,000
this. So then that remainder how much

6043
04:11:08,000 --> 04:11:28,469
you have to pay taxes for that.

6044
04:11:28,479 --> 04:11:30,640
between 26 and 27%.

6045
04:11:30,640 --> 04:11:33,199
>> But so is that is that number though

6046
04:11:33,199 --> 04:11:36,560
going if we got this reduced to 15%

6047
04:11:36,560 --> 04:11:38,319
because right now we're at just under

6048
04:11:38,319 --> 04:11:40,319
11.

6049
04:11:40,319 --> 04:11:42,720
Well, it would just be increasing the

6050
04:11:42,720 --> 04:11:44,399
revenue,

6051
04:11:44,399 --> 04:11:46,319
but the expenses would stay the same.

6052
04:11:46,319 --> 04:11:47,680
So, no, you would not be getting your

6053
04:11:47,680 --> 04:11:51,040
15% reduction in expenses.

6054
04:11:51,040 --> 04:11:52,720
>> I kind of like it. I feel like we could

6055
04:11:52,720 --> 04:11:53,920
do a little bit of like, okay, now we're

6056
04:11:53,920 --> 04:11:55,040
getting a little bit of revenue, so we

6057
04:11:55,040 --> 04:11:56,880
can go I think I like the approach of

6058
04:11:56,880 --> 04:11:58,640
not trying to raise property taxes, but

6059
04:11:58,640 --> 04:12:00,399
then we haven't done that for 16 years.

6060
04:12:00,399 --> 04:12:01,439
Are we going to keep doing that? Are we

6061
04:12:01,439 --> 04:12:03,040
just gonna say no property taxes ever?

6062
04:12:03,040 --> 04:12:04,560
We're going to be in a similar problem

6063
04:12:04,560 --> 04:12:06,560
if we just And so, I I would like to get

6064
04:12:06,560 --> 04:12:08,560
it as low as possible. I mean, I've

6065
04:12:08,560 --> 04:12:10,560
already said I I think that, you know,

6066
04:12:10,560 --> 04:12:11,840
there's things we could take out, but I

6067
04:12:11,840 --> 04:12:14,239
think we need to keep the increase. I

6068
04:12:14,239 --> 04:12:15,520
think we can do a little bit here and

6069
04:12:15,520 --> 04:12:16,960
there and kind of get that number as low

6070
04:12:16,960 --> 04:12:18,479
as possible. I think that should be our

6071
04:12:18,479 --> 04:12:20,880
goal of I like doing the putting three

6072
04:12:20,880 --> 04:12:22,319
million so we have it in savings and

6073
04:12:22,319 --> 04:12:24,960
then getting interest on the 15 to

6074
04:12:24,960 --> 04:12:27,279
account for more revenue.

6075
04:12:27,279 --> 04:12:29,120
And I think there are places we can skim

6076
04:12:29,120 --> 04:12:32,080
out here a little bit to take out

6077
04:12:32,080 --> 04:12:34,000
because I think you have taken out the

6078
04:12:34,000 --> 04:12:36,479
two million for the park out of the 18

6079
04:12:36,479 --> 04:12:38,640
million under this

6080
04:12:38,640 --> 04:12:40,800
Yeah. So there is some foric slopes that

6081
04:12:40,800 --> 04:12:43,040
will roll over and then as well as

6082
04:12:43,040 --> 04:12:44,800
current debts. So

6083
04:12:44,800 --> 04:12:46,880
>> So you're already at 15 million.

6084
04:12:46,880 --> 04:12:49,520
>> Yeah. 153 for investment that's

6085
04:12:49,520 --> 04:12:51,600
available out of the 183 that was

6086
04:12:51,600 --> 04:12:54,880
brought in. So of that because I took

6087
04:12:54,880 --> 04:12:56,239
everything out from the contribution of

6088
04:12:56,239 --> 04:12:57,680
fund balance and all the other general

6089
04:12:57,680 --> 04:12:59,520
fund accounts. If you want to put those

6090
04:12:59,520 --> 04:13:02,080
back in to reallocate, I think that that

6091
04:13:02,080 --> 04:13:03,760
would be fine. But we do have some prior

6092
04:13:03,760 --> 04:13:05,760
obligations already in capital projects

6093
04:13:05,760 --> 04:13:09,359
that do need to be

6094
04:13:09,359 --> 04:13:10,880
>> seen. So you're saying we have 15

6095
04:13:10,880 --> 04:13:12,159
million, but that's not putting 3

6096
04:13:12,159 --> 04:13:13,279
million in the general fund. We only

6097
04:13:13,279 --> 04:13:15,279
have 15 million to invest because

6098
04:13:15,279 --> 04:13:16,960
>> you can put 3 million and then you have

6099
04:13:16,960 --> 04:13:18,159
12 invest,

6100
04:13:18,159 --> 04:13:19,120
>> right?

6101
04:13:19,120 --> 04:13:20,640
>> We're saying some of the 18 million

6102
04:13:20,640 --> 04:13:22,560
already been

6103
04:13:22,560 --> 04:13:23,520
>> essentially in the account.

6104
04:13:23,520 --> 04:13:25,120
>> Yes. Because I took it out of the

6105
04:13:25,120 --> 04:13:26,880
general fund for all the contribution to

6106
04:13:26,880 --> 04:13:27,840
fund

6107
04:13:27,840 --> 04:13:30,239
>> capital projects in there. I took those

6108
04:13:30,239 --> 04:13:31,359
line items out.

6109
04:13:31,359 --> 04:13:33,359
>> Right. We could put that back in,

6110
04:13:33,359 --> 04:13:34,640
>> but then it just goes,

6111
04:13:34,640 --> 04:13:37,040
>> right? So, there's just tradeoffs,

6112
04:13:37,040 --> 04:13:38,239
right, to considering what we're doing

6113
04:13:38,239 --> 04:13:40,640
with the 8 million. We could invest all,

6114
04:13:40,640 --> 04:13:43,520
you know, it's at your direction. So, I

6115
04:13:43,520 --> 04:13:46,560
can obviously change this to reflect

6116
04:13:46,560 --> 04:13:49,040
your decisions, but

6117
04:13:49,040 --> 04:13:53,510
just where it sits right now.

6118
04:13:53,520 --> 04:13:55,359
So, so back to that, where's the money

6119
04:13:55,359 --> 04:13:58,960
that we we received from the bond and

6120
04:13:58,960 --> 04:14:03,040
basically the loan to fund Sing slopes?

6121
04:14:03,040 --> 04:14:05,600
Where's that where's that money at?

6122
04:14:05,600 --> 04:14:08,720
>> So, I mean, why are we taking money from

6123
04:14:08,720 --> 04:14:11,120
the 18 million? So, the check that's

6124
04:14:11,120 --> 04:14:13,120
written for the water credits is $18

6125
04:14:13,120 --> 04:14:16,159
million 333 250.

6126
04:14:16,159 --> 04:14:17,040
>> Uh,

6127
04:14:17,040 --> 04:14:19,920
>> so why are we

6128
04:14:19,920 --> 04:14:22,560
why is $2.6 $6 million taken out of that

6129
04:14:22,560 --> 04:14:29,120
amount. How come there isn't an accounting for

6130
04:14:29,120 --> 04:14:31,680
funds that we've already designated for

6131
04:14:31,680 --> 04:14:34,399
that?

6132
04:14:34,399 --> 04:14:36,960
>> Yeah. So this 5 million I guess the

6133
04:14:36,960 --> 04:14:38,880
bond. Yeah. I guess we'd have to see how

6134
04:14:38,880 --> 04:14:41,520
much of these

6135
04:14:41,520 --> 04:14:43,199
are

6136
04:14:43,199 --> 04:14:46,000
will be spent. This one is already over.

6137
04:14:46,000 --> 04:14:48,479
That one's almost 4 million. So right

6138
04:14:48,479 --> 04:14:52,800
now that right there is probably

6139
04:14:52,800 --> 04:14:57,120
>> part of it Um and then this you know is

6140
04:14:57,120 --> 04:15:01,750
another's 767,000.

6141
04:15:01,760 --> 04:15:04,399
So that is a point that I can look into

6142
04:15:04,399 --> 04:15:08,479
just to see how much of that has been

6143
04:15:08,479 --> 04:15:10,640
spent on those projects. But I mean

6144
04:15:10,640 --> 04:15:11,920
>> so I'm thinking some of that some of

6145
04:15:11,920 --> 04:15:14,000
that number should be in column

6146
04:15:14,000 --> 04:15:18,229
>> I

6147
04:15:18,239 --> 04:15:18,560
No.

6148
04:15:18,560 --> 04:15:20,960
>> Yeah. Not exactly because it wouldn't be

6149
04:15:20,960 --> 04:15:22,479
recognized as new revenue, but it would

6150
04:15:22,479 --> 04:15:24,399
kind of be like the rollover from the

6151
04:15:24,399 --> 04:15:26,000
fund like we've talked about in the

6152
04:15:26,000 --> 04:15:29,359
past. So, like with the sewer, sorry,

6153
04:15:29,359 --> 04:15:31,520
excuse me, with the cemetery.

6154
04:15:31,520 --> 04:15:32,960
>> Um,

6155
04:15:32,960 --> 04:15:35,279
>> right. That is there, but it won't count

6156
04:15:35,279 --> 04:15:38,239
for the next bucket.

6157
04:15:38,239 --> 04:15:41,429
>> Yeah.

6158
04:15:41,439 --> 04:15:54,950
Okay.

6159
04:15:54,960 --> 04:15:56,640
Maybe this question's been answered and

6160
04:15:56,640 --> 04:15:59,199
I missed it, but

6161
04:15:59,199 --> 04:16:03,279
I've been here for 3 years and

6162
04:16:03,279 --> 04:16:05,199
I'm just

6163
04:16:05,199 --> 04:16:07,040
I know that you have mentioned that

6164
04:16:07,040 --> 04:16:10,319
maybe CO funds were being used to

6165
04:16:10,319 --> 04:16:13,600
compensate, But I mean it's always been

6166
04:16:13,600 --> 04:16:17,359
lean but why are we so far

6167
04:16:17,359 --> 04:16:19,680
why are we in such a problem this year

6168
04:16:19,680 --> 04:16:22,319
as opposed to other years

6169
04:16:22,319 --> 04:16:23,279
recent years?

6170
04:16:23,279 --> 04:16:25,920
>> Yeah. And like I had said I will get the

6171
04:16:25,920 --> 04:16:27,600
numbers for how much we receive how much

6172
04:16:27,600 --> 04:16:29,279
grants the city received in co funds and

6173
04:16:29,279 --> 04:16:32,720
how they were used. Um but last year you

6174
04:16:32,720 --> 04:16:34,479
guys did pull from fund balance to make

6175
04:16:34,479 --> 04:16:35,680
up the difference. So there wasn't a

6176
04:16:35,680 --> 04:16:37,359
property tax increase but there was use

6177
04:16:37,359 --> 04:16:40,640
of general fund balance which made up

6178
04:16:40,640 --> 04:16:42,080
the difference. So then you guys didn't

6179
04:16:42,080 --> 04:16:45,199
have to go through

6180
04:16:45,199 --> 04:16:47,279
to this extent you know to try to make

6181
04:16:47,279 --> 04:16:49,840
cuz you know you have 2.4 million that

6182
04:16:49,840 --> 04:16:52,479
covers the one

6183
04:16:52,479 --> 04:16:55,040
whatever this number ends up being. So

6184
04:16:55,040 --> 04:16:57,840
if you wanted to use fund balance I mean

6185
04:16:57,840 --> 04:17:00,159
I would advise against it but ultimately

6186
04:17:00,159 --> 04:17:01,359
that's your decision. So if that's

6187
04:17:01,359 --> 04:17:03,439
something you wanted to do again,

6188
04:17:03,439 --> 04:17:06,000
>> you could, you know, but it was far off.

6189
04:17:06,000 --> 04:17:08,000
I mean, last year, I think I still have

6190
04:17:08,000 --> 04:17:09,760
the numbers up here, the revenues were

6191
04:17:09,760 --> 04:17:11,520
like 13 million and the expenditures

6192
04:17:11,520 --> 04:17:13,439
were 16 million. So like,

6193
04:17:13,439 --> 04:17:14,640
>> right,

6194
04:17:14,640 --> 04:17:19,920
>> it was it wasn't balanced. And so um

6195
04:17:19,920 --> 04:17:22,880
yeah, like that's

6196
04:17:22,880 --> 04:17:26,640
a substantial difference, right? It used

6197
04:17:26,640 --> 04:17:29,120
with just the use of fun balance. So and

6198
04:17:29,120 --> 04:17:30,560
I'm not

6199
04:17:30,560 --> 04:17:32,159
pretending like that's not an option,

6200
04:17:32,159 --> 04:17:33,840
right? You guys can use that as an

6201
04:17:33,840 --> 04:17:36,800
option. You can use some balance. I

6202
04:17:36,800 --> 04:17:39,760
cautioned using it sparingly just

6203
04:17:39,760 --> 04:17:43,600
because and you know just

6204
04:17:43,600 --> 04:17:46,479
knowing that the future like the problem

6205
04:17:46,479 --> 04:17:48,399
will perpetuate into the future as far

6206
04:17:48,399 --> 04:17:51,120
as the gap between what level we're

6207
04:17:51,120 --> 04:17:52,880
operating at versus what level of

6208
04:17:52,880 --> 04:17:56,399
revenue we're incoming until

6209
04:17:56,399 --> 04:17:59,439
all this potential growth is actually

6210
04:17:59,439 --> 04:18:02,560
realized. Right? It's projected. It

6211
04:18:02,560 --> 04:18:04,880
seems nice, but our revenues aren't

6212
04:18:04,880 --> 04:18:06,640
reflecting any of that at this point in

6213
04:18:06,640 --> 04:18:09,120
time through property taxes or sales

6214
04:18:09,120 --> 04:18:12,630
tax.

6215
04:18:12,640 --> 04:18:15,520
And with those with that growth just

6216
04:18:15,520 --> 04:18:17,920
comes more expenses

6217
04:18:17,920 --> 04:18:19,520
associated with that. So it's not all

6218
04:18:19,520 --> 04:18:20,560
just dollars.

6219
04:18:20,560 --> 04:18:24,319
>> No, Because then we have to hire more

6220
04:18:24,319 --> 04:18:25,840
police officers.

6221
04:18:25,840 --> 04:18:30,640
>> We have that new building.

6222
04:18:30,640 --> 04:18:33,120
The animal shelter has to go somewhere.

6223
04:18:33,120 --> 04:18:34,880
the

6224
04:18:34,880 --> 04:18:37,439
um and then yeah but you know even just

6225
04:18:37,439 --> 04:18:39,359
roads to maintain water lines to

6226
04:18:39,359 --> 04:18:42,159
maintain parks to maintain we're you

6227
04:18:42,159 --> 04:18:44,159
know

6228
04:18:44,159 --> 04:18:46,720
all of that goes up

6229
04:18:46,720 --> 04:18:48,720
>> but then we have impact fees and I mean

6230
04:18:48,720 --> 04:18:53,120
it all it all circles that

6231
04:18:53,120 --> 04:18:56,640
>> is the option you could do

6232
04:18:56,640 --> 04:18:58,880
propose go into the deficit there for

6233
04:18:58,880 --> 04:19:01,040
that but I guess that's the difference

6234
04:19:01,040 --> 04:19:03,520
here is we're proposing to try and not

6235
04:19:03,520 --> 04:19:05,439
go into the deficit like it has been in

6236
04:19:05,439 --> 04:19:06,479
the past

6237
04:19:06,479 --> 04:19:07,760
>> or at the very least making sure you

6238
04:19:07,760 --> 04:19:10,560
guys are fully aware of the deficit that

6239
04:19:10,560 --> 04:19:12,880
we're operating in.

6240
04:19:12,880 --> 04:19:16,950
>> I guess

6241
04:19:16,960 --> 04:19:18,159
» but [clears throat] you do think that

6242
04:19:18,159 --> 04:19:19,760
there will be monies that we were

6243
04:19:19,760 --> 04:19:21,680
brought brought over and it'll increase

6244
04:19:21,680 --> 04:19:23,680
that fund

6245
04:19:23,680 --> 04:19:26,080
>> from 2026.

6246
04:19:26,080 --> 04:19:28,239
>> Yeah, we're not going to spend 100%.

6247
04:19:28,239 --> 04:19:29,199
That's for sure.

6248
04:19:29,199 --> 04:19:30,960
>> Yeah. And there's e, you know, even in

6249
04:19:30,960 --> 04:19:32,319
talking with department heads since this

6250
04:19:32,319 --> 04:19:34,239
has come out, they're like, "Yeah, what

6251
04:19:34,239 --> 04:19:36,640
if we do no more spending for this year,

6252
04:19:36,640 --> 04:19:39,600
you know, on certain lines like what can

6253
04:19:39,600 --> 04:19:41,359
we do to help,

6254
04:19:41,359 --> 04:19:42,720
>> you know, supplement that into next

6255
04:19:42,720 --> 04:19:44,000
year?" Because it will just go into the

6256
04:19:44,000 --> 04:19:46,000
general fund. So, you know, based on

6257
04:19:46,000 --> 04:19:48,479
that, if we wanted to do a projection of

6258
04:19:48,479 --> 04:19:50,960
how much will be unexpended rolling into

6259
04:19:50,960 --> 04:19:53,600
general fund at the end of this year 26,

6260
04:19:53,600 --> 04:19:56,560
I plan on using that rather than like

6261
04:19:56,560 --> 04:19:58,399
necessarily dipping into the 2.4, four,

6262
04:19:58,399 --> 04:20:01,279
but using what would be unexpended from

6263
04:20:01,279 --> 04:20:04,319
26. We could look into using

6264
04:20:04,319 --> 04:20:05,760
>> some of those monies

6265
04:20:05,760 --> 04:20:08,080
>> and I could it would be rough. It

6266
04:20:08,080 --> 04:20:09,520
wouldn't be an exact because I don't

6267
04:20:09,520 --> 04:20:10,880
know what they're going to spend, but we

6268
04:20:10,880 --> 04:20:18,790
could get you a number that's closeish.

6269
04:20:18,800 --> 04:20:21,120
» You were also going to look at how much

6270
04:20:21,120 --> 04:20:22,800
we can keep in that general fund in

6271
04:20:22,800 --> 04:20:25,680
excess, right? You said 35%.

6272
04:20:25,680 --> 04:20:30,000
>> Yes. Is the 15 putting the $15 million in

6273
04:20:30,000 --> 04:20:31,199
there is that gonna

6274
04:20:31,199 --> 04:20:32,640
>> put us over right.

6275
04:20:32,640 --> 04:20:36,229
>> Yes.

6276
04:20:36,239 --> 04:20:38,000
» We may have to take that money and

6277
04:20:38,000 --> 04:20:41,439
ponder the rest of this [laughter]

6278
04:20:41,439 --> 04:20:42,159
>> is limit.

6279
04:20:42,159 --> 04:20:43,439
>> What's our next steps?

6280
04:20:43,439 --> 04:20:45,279
>> So I think just if I can get some

6281
04:20:45,279 --> 04:20:47,520
direction on

6282
04:20:47,520 --> 04:20:50,080
what you guys would want to see changes

6283
04:20:50,080 --> 04:20:51,840
like if you want to see what okay what

6284
04:20:51,840 --> 04:20:53,279
does it look like if we invest? What

6285
04:20:53,279 --> 04:20:54,720
does it look like without a cola? What

6286
04:20:54,720 --> 04:20:56,479
does it look like with the partial cola?

6287
04:20:56,479 --> 04:20:59,680
What does it look like with, you know,

6288
04:20:59,680 --> 04:21:01,040
are you wanting to see some of the

6289
04:21:01,040 --> 04:21:02,399
onetime asks that some of the

6290
04:21:02,399 --> 04:21:05,040
departments have and consider those for

6291
04:21:05,040 --> 04:21:07,840
$18 million spending or not? Just kind

6292
04:21:07,840 --> 04:21:09,840
of give me a direction and then I can

6293
04:21:09,840 --> 04:21:12,000
prepare it and I'll present it again

6294
04:21:12,000 --> 04:21:13,199
with those different

6295
04:21:13,199 --> 04:21:14,080
>> all those things.

6296
04:21:14,080 --> 04:21:15,120
>> Yeah, that's what I was just going to

6297
04:21:15,120 --> 04:21:16,319
say. So, all these

6298
04:21:16,319 --> 04:21:18,720
>> we talked about every one of those plus

6299
04:21:18,720 --> 04:21:20,479
a few others.

6300
04:21:20,479 --> 04:21:22,479
>> Okay.

6301
04:21:22,479 --> 04:21:23,600
>> It's a step the right direction, don't

6302
04:21:23,600 --> 04:21:24,399
you think? Yeah,

6303
04:21:24,399 --> 04:21:26,479
>> that like that puts us in front of

6304
04:21:26,479 --> 04:21:27,760
>> and I think we can all come up with

6305
04:21:27,760 --> 04:21:29,760
ideas. I mean, anything that we have

6306
04:21:29,760 --> 04:21:30,960
too, we could

6307
04:21:30,960 --> 04:21:33,120
>> Dad, if you want to stop by and visit,

6308
04:21:33,120 --> 04:21:36,880
have a ideas or want to come play with

6309
04:21:36,880 --> 04:21:39,600
>> or we can send that to you.

6310
04:21:39,600 --> 04:21:42,159
>> We have a we have a pretty full slate

6311
04:21:42,159 --> 04:21:44,880
coming up in this next meeting, right?

6312
04:21:44,880 --> 04:21:49,279
>> We always do. Well, no, but there's no way we can discuss this in

6313
04:21:49,279 --> 04:21:52,640
the next meeting, but we need to decide

6314
04:21:52,640 --> 04:21:54,640
by the second, right? Is that

6315
04:21:54,640 --> 04:21:55,840
>> second meeting of June?

6316
04:21:55,840 --> 04:21:58,159
>> The second meeting in June.

6317
04:21:58,159 --> 04:22:01,359
>> But we will we have to notice public

6318
04:22:01,359 --> 04:22:03,439
hearing.

6319
04:22:03,439 --> 04:22:06,159
>> Yeah.

6320
04:22:06,159 --> 04:22:11,590
>> Or is that after

6321
04:22:11,600 --> 04:22:13,359
» how many days? Is that a 30-day notice

6322
04:22:13,359 --> 04:22:14,640
or what is a notice?

6323
04:22:14,640 --> 04:22:16,560
>> Yeah. So we have to adopt our final

6324
04:22:16,560 --> 04:22:19,040
budget by June 17th which is the second

6325
04:22:19,040 --> 04:22:21,439
meeting in June.

6326
04:22:21,439 --> 04:22:23,520
>> When do we have to announce the hearing

6327
04:22:23,520 --> 04:22:24,239
of the amount?

6328
04:22:24,239 --> 04:22:26,560
>> Yeah, it's walk back the dates.

6329
04:22:26,560 --> 04:22:28,640
>> Walk walk back from the date when

6330
04:22:28,640 --> 04:22:31,680
>> Yeah, it's like I need to verify. I want

6331
04:22:31,680 --> 04:22:33,520
to say it's like 14 days because we'd

6332
04:22:33,520 --> 04:22:36,159
have to have a public hearing

6333
04:22:36,159 --> 04:22:40,479
prior to like adopting the

6334
04:22:40,479 --> 04:22:42,960
>> interim. Sorry, it's not the final. It

6335
04:22:42,960 --> 04:22:46,080
would be an interim budget um to start

6336
04:22:46,080 --> 04:22:49,040
functioning fiscal year 27 under while

6337
04:22:49,040 --> 04:22:50,800
we went through and finished the truth

6338
04:22:50,800 --> 04:22:52,399
and taxation process and went through

6339
04:22:52,399 --> 04:22:54,720
that public hearing in August. But we

6340
04:22:54,720 --> 04:22:56,800
need to do the regular public hearing,

6341
04:22:56,800 --> 04:22:58,239
not just the increase that's being

6342
04:22:58,239 --> 04:23:00,159
proposed.

6343
04:23:00,159 --> 04:23:02,560
>> You would have to do that know that at

6344
04:23:02,560 --> 04:23:03,439
least the tax

6345
04:23:03,439 --> 04:23:06,239
>> we need it in May by the end of May so

6346
04:23:06,239 --> 04:23:09,750
you can get the notice. [snorts]

6347
04:23:09,760 --> 04:23:17,269
Any

6348
04:23:17,279 --> 04:23:20,880
other direction for Aspen?

6349
04:23:20,880 --> 04:23:22,800
>> A lot of ass. Thank you. Yeah,

6350
04:23:22,800 --> 04:23:27,359
>> we appreciate it. Everybody's awesome.

6351
04:23:27,359 --> 04:23:28,800
>> It's not fun.

6352
04:23:28,800 --> 04:23:30,720
>> But good job. Thank you for what you're

6353
04:23:30,720 --> 04:23:32,319
doing. [clears throat]

6354
04:23:32,319 --> 04:23:35,830
>> Thank you.

6355
04:23:35,840 --> 04:23:39,040
It' be great to see all that as

6356
04:23:39,040 --> 04:23:43,349
>> Yeah.

6357
04:23:43,359 --> 04:23:46,159
» Okay. I think we can close agenda item

6358
04:23:46,159 --> 04:23:51,510
number two

6359
04:23:51,520 --> 04:23:53,279
and

6360
04:23:53,279 --> 04:23:56,479
return to item number one, discussion of

6361
04:23:56,479 --> 04:23:58,239
the memorandum of understanding with the

6362
04:23:58,239 --> 04:24:00,080
Tilla County School District. It is

6363
04:24:00,080 --> 04:24:02,159
getting late.

6364
04:24:02,159 --> 04:24:04,159
anything we want to talk about that

6365
04:24:04,159 --> 04:24:08,710
tonight or

6366
04:24:08,720 --> 04:24:11,120
» I can make a motion we table it.

6367
04:24:11,120 --> 04:24:13,680
>> I would just like to ask the question if

6368
04:24:13,680 --> 04:24:16,000
we did sell the city park to school

6369
04:24:16,000 --> 04:24:17,920
district what would they what would they

6370
04:24:17,920 --> 04:24:20,800
offer us for the entire thing and could

6371
04:24:20,800 --> 04:24:23,600
we have an agreement until we replace

6372
04:24:23,600 --> 04:24:24,640
it?

6373
04:24:24,640 --> 04:24:27,040
>> We would have to we could utilize it.

6374
04:24:27,040 --> 04:24:29,680
>> Yeah. until we we find a way in which we

6375
04:24:29,680 --> 04:24:33,670
could replace

6376
04:24:33,680 --> 04:24:35,680
» and that they could utilize it until

6377
04:24:35,680 --> 04:24:38,960
they until it's entirely theirs.

6378
04:24:38,960 --> 04:24:40,319
>> I just feel like everything is like

6379
04:24:40,319 --> 04:24:41,520
speculative because they said they were

6380
04:24:41,520 --> 04:24:42,479
going to buy it, then they said they're

6381
04:24:42,479 --> 04:24:43,760
not going to buy it. So, we don't know

6382
04:24:43,760 --> 04:24:46,239
what to do. So, we know what we what the

6383
04:24:46,239 --> 04:24:47,600
options are, but like we could sit here

6384
04:24:47,600 --> 04:24:49,520
and talk about it, but we don't know.

6385
04:24:49,520 --> 04:24:49,840
But,

6386
04:24:49,840 --> 04:24:51,439
>> we did in a month time we do an

6387
04:24:51,439 --> 04:24:52,960
appraisal and it really wasn't that

6388
04:24:52,960 --> 04:24:55,760
much. Well,

6389
04:24:55,760 --> 04:24:57,840
that wasn't

6390
04:24:57,840 --> 04:24:59,520
I think it was just that.

6391
04:24:59,520 --> 04:25:00,880
>> Yeah,

6392
04:25:00,880 --> 04:25:07,349
>> that was

6393
04:25:07,359 --> 04:25:09,279
» I mean it's improved the land so it's

6394
04:25:09,279 --> 04:25:11,760
got to go off and approved approve

6395
04:25:11,760 --> 04:25:13,680
improved.

6396
04:25:13,680 --> 04:25:14,880
>> I just think we're kind of kind of a

6397
04:25:14,880 --> 04:25:16,479
rock and a hard place because we we

6398
04:25:16,479 --> 04:25:17,680
obviously want them to pay us but we

6399
04:25:17,680 --> 04:25:18,720
obviously need the kids to have the

6400
04:25:18,720 --> 04:25:19,840
facility. So like it would be great

6401
04:25:19,840 --> 04:25:22,239
since hey you have to pay us if they say

6402
04:25:22,239 --> 04:25:23,920
no then our kids have to leave.

6403
04:25:23,920 --> 04:25:25,120
>> Exciting.

6404
04:25:25,120 --> 04:25:31,030
>> Thank you.

6405
04:25:31,040 --> 04:25:32,800
I know I already heard from a couple

6406
04:25:32,800 --> 04:25:35,840
parents very concerned about that.

6407
04:25:35,840 --> 04:25:36,880
>> Yeah,

6408
04:25:36,880 --> 04:25:38,000
>> it's a huge

6409
04:25:38,000 --> 04:25:38,960
>> but

6410
04:25:38,960 --> 04:25:40,479
>> my wife's one of those.

6411
04:25:40,479 --> 04:25:42,720
>> Yeah, I'm one of those.

6412
04:25:42,720 --> 04:25:45,503
>> I that's the last thing I want. But

6413
04:25:45,503 --> 04:25:48,720
[snorts] I feel like if we don't try to

6414
04:25:48,720 --> 04:25:51,040
come to a better

6415
04:25:51,040 --> 04:25:53,600
>> agreement, um nothing's ever going to

6416
04:25:53,600 --> 04:25:55,120
change. just like nothing has ever

6417
04:25:55,120 --> 04:25:56,880
changed.

6418
04:25:56,880 --> 04:26:00,000
>> And it's interesting how like Yeah. I

6419
04:26:00,000 --> 04:26:03,670
mean,

6420
04:26:03,680 --> 04:26:06,159
how coaches feel about it was kind of

6421
04:26:06,159 --> 04:26:08,159
really more more the interesting thing

6422
04:26:08,159 --> 04:26:09,760
to me. They've just had to hassle with

6423
04:26:09,760 --> 04:26:11,520
it so long that they're just like, "Can

6424
04:26:11,520 --> 04:26:12,960
you guys just

6425
04:26:12,960 --> 04:26:15,760
>> do can you figure out how to solve this?

6426
04:26:15,760 --> 04:26:18,159
>> Do you guys do you guys think that if we

6427
04:26:18,159 --> 04:26:21,120
sold it to the school that might push

6428
04:26:21,120 --> 04:26:22,960
kick the can down the road on a new high

6429
04:26:22,960 --> 04:26:24,960
school?" Yes,

6430
04:26:24,960 --> 04:26:28,880
but the like I said the word was two

6431
04:26:28,880 --> 04:26:32,159
years ago 2028. Now the word is and

6432
04:26:32,159 --> 04:26:33,600
obviously these are just things that

6433
04:26:33,600 --> 04:26:35,840
board members are just spitting out or

6434
04:26:35,840 --> 04:26:38,000
staff or whatever but now they're saying

6435
04:26:38,000 --> 04:26:40,159
8 to 10 years

6436
04:26:40,159 --> 04:26:41,279
regardless.

6437
04:26:41,279 --> 04:26:42,960
>> I mean I think they'd have to really

6438
04:26:42,960 --> 04:26:45,840
think that through. They'd have to build

6439
04:26:45,840 --> 04:26:47,520
they have to design a new structure and

6440
04:26:47,520 --> 04:26:49,199
probably build the one next to it. like

6441
04:26:49,199 --> 04:26:51,040
there's going to be a displacement and

6442
04:26:51,040 --> 04:26:52,800
it would be easier for them just to

6443
04:26:52,800 --> 04:26:55,840
build somewhere else and dis and just

6444
04:26:55,840 --> 04:26:57,680
shift everybody over to the new school

6445
04:26:57,680 --> 04:26:59,600
and then turn it into a junior high or

6446
04:26:59,600 --> 04:27:01,279
something versus

6447
04:27:01,279 --> 04:27:03,840
>> try to build try to build a yeah go

6448
04:27:03,840 --> 04:27:06,080
vertical with that building or knock

6449
04:27:06,080 --> 04:27:08,560
part of it down or and then the other

6450
04:27:08,560 --> 04:27:10,800
component there is

6451
04:27:10,800 --> 04:27:13,120
that Cherry Street probably would have

6452
04:27:13,120 --> 04:27:16,080
to be redesigned in that process and I

6453
04:27:16,080 --> 04:27:17,840
don't know if that's that's a PNZ

6454
04:27:17,840 --> 04:27:19,680
question that I didn't even know if we

6455
04:27:19,680 --> 04:27:24,080
could entertain. But um

6456
04:27:24,080 --> 04:27:27,680
but yeah, I it's I don't know if it's an

6457
04:27:27,680 --> 04:27:30,880
option or the option or not an option,

6458
04:27:30,880 --> 04:27:34,239
but um

6459
04:27:34,239 --> 04:27:38,080
the the issue is not going away. So, and

6460
04:27:38,080 --> 04:27:46,080
I think that's why it's been on on you know last year was

6461
04:27:46,080 --> 04:27:47,439
it last year or the year before they

6462
04:27:47,439 --> 04:27:50,239
purchased the Dow James Park which had

6463
04:27:50,239 --> 04:27:52,159
same similar issue. So the school

6464
04:27:52,159 --> 04:27:54,159
district did purchase that park. So they

6465
04:27:54,159 --> 04:27:56,319
they've you know set a precedence that

6466
04:27:56,319 --> 04:27:59,279
there you know can do that.

6467
04:27:59,279 --> 04:28:02,239
Um it's just

6468
04:28:02,239 --> 04:28:05,920
how how the community softball field

6469
04:28:05,920 --> 04:28:08,239
as well. Yeah,

6470
04:28:08,239 --> 04:28:10,960
>> but it's designated now as

6471
04:28:10,960 --> 04:28:13,199
>> the Tula High School softball field.

6472
04:28:13,199 --> 04:28:13,439
Correct.

6473
04:28:13,439 --> 04:28:15,359
>> And then the other fields around it

6474
04:28:15,359 --> 04:28:17,465
>> are city fields.

6475
04:28:17,465 --> 04:28:25,189
[clears throat]

6476
04:28:25,199 --> 04:28:27,040
» I don't know. I don't know the answer to

6477
04:28:27,040 --> 04:28:29,199
this one either. I mean, we can we can

6478
04:28:29,199 --> 04:28:31,680
table this and push it into the next

6479
04:28:31,680 --> 04:28:35,520
meeting, but I I

6480
04:28:35,520 --> 04:28:37,920
the request was if you have a proposal

6481
04:28:37,920 --> 04:28:39,680
and you want to put a proposal together

6482
04:28:39,680 --> 04:28:41,840
and get us something that we can review

6483
04:28:41,840 --> 04:28:45,040
and look at, then we we'll look at that.

6484
04:28:45,040 --> 04:28:49,359
Um, but we have, you know, we've got to

6485
04:28:49,359 --> 04:28:52,479
put a band-aid on the problem to look

6486
04:28:52,479 --> 04:28:54,319
towards a long-term solution. the

6487
04:28:54,319 --> 04:28:55,760
long-term solution. I don't know if

6488
04:28:55,760 --> 04:28:58,880
those two are tie tie it together or

6489
04:28:58,880 --> 04:29:01,040
pull it, you know, or go to two two

6490
04:29:01,040 --> 04:29:03,199
different directions.

6491
04:29:03,199 --> 04:29:06,399
So, but we don't have a memorandum of

6492
04:29:06,399 --> 04:29:08,800
understanding in place currently. And if

6493
04:29:08,800 --> 04:29:12,080
we are going to have conversation that

6494
04:29:12,080 --> 04:29:14,080
to allow the school district to use that

6495
04:29:14,080 --> 04:29:15,680
property next year, we have to at a

6496
04:29:15,680 --> 04:29:17,439
minimum at least have that in my

6497
04:29:17,439 --> 04:29:19,840
opinion.

6498
04:29:19,840 --> 04:29:21,199
Will you resend that? I'm

6499
04:29:21,199 --> 04:29:26,149
>> running.

6500
04:29:26,159 --> 04:29:31,030
I don't like this.

6501
04:29:31,040 --> 04:29:32,640
» Okay. Are we ready to close that

6502
04:29:32,640 --> 04:29:35,040
discussion? Okay. We're going to close

6503
04:29:35,040 --> 04:29:37,920
agenda item number one or two or

6504
04:29:37,920 --> 04:29:40,880
whatever you want to call it. Um I need

6505
04:29:40,880 --> 04:29:43,760
a motion to adjurnn.

6506
04:29:43,760 --> 04:29:45,680
>> Mayor, I'll make a motion.

6507
04:29:45,680 --> 04:29:46,800
>> I'll second the motion.

6508
04:29:46,800 --> 04:29:53,349
>> All right. All in favor? Hi. Hi.

6509
04:29:53,359 --> 04:30:00,149
» Thank you everyone.

6510
04:30:00,159 --> 04:30:03,159
Beautiful.