[0:56] You're welcome.
[1:07] at the beginning
[1:20] that year.
[1:26] » Okay.
[1:36] Are we ready, Alicia?
[1:43] » Okay. Welcome everyone. This is a
[1:45] special work meeting um for the
[1:48] Grantsville City Council. Today's date
[1:50] is Monday, May 11th, 2026.
[1:53] This meeting is being held at 429 East
[1:55] Main Street in Grantsville, Utah, and
[1:58] electronically by Zoom. and the time is
[2:01] 6:00 p.m. Uh we're going to start with
[2:04] the pledge of allegiance. If you would
[2:06] please rise for the
[2:12] » I aliance to the flag of the United
[2:16] States of America and to the republic
[2:19] for which it stands. One nation under
[2:22] God, indivisible with liberty and
[2:25] justice for all.
[2:34] » [clears throat]
[2:34] >> We'll start with a roll call. Council
[2:36] member Butler
[2:37] >> present.
[2:38] >> Um Thomas
[2:40] >> here.
[2:40] >> Dalton
[2:41] >> here.
[2:42] >> Skinner
[2:42] >> here.
[2:43] >> Williams
[2:43] >> here.
[2:44] >> And I am Mayor Heidi Hammond. And we
[2:47] will begin this meeting with agenda item
[2:49] number one, a discussion of the
[2:51] memorandum of understanding with the
[2:53] Towilla County School District.
[2:59] Um, Jeff, do you want to take the lead
[3:02] on that?
[3:03] >> Yeah, go ahead.
[3:04] >> Okay. Um,
[3:06] so maybe to give a little bit of
[3:08] history.
[3:08] >> I just said Jeff. I'm sorry.
[3:10] >> You're okay. [laughter]
[3:11] >> I've been called worse.
[3:13] >> So, no offense, Jeff. I was meaning
[3:16] Jake.
[3:19] um maybe [clears throat] give a brief
[3:21] history of this and I think many of the
[3:23] council members are very aware of the
[3:24] situation that we have uh with our
[3:27] growing population and parks and
[3:30] specifically the park that is shared
[3:32] between this the the toilet county
[3:34] school district uh and our local our our
[3:39] teams our Grantsville teams the baseball
[3:41] team softball team and the um soccer
[3:46] both soccer teams actually
[3:49] and how that's presenting more of a
[3:51] challenge as we continue to grow and
[3:55] occupying the same space and trying to
[3:58] coordinate that with
[4:01] new programs that are coming in and
[4:03] wanting to to use those fields. And it's
[4:06] been a it's been, for lack of a better
[4:09] word, a a handshake agreement
[4:13] uh for years
[4:15] to try to make that work. And that
[4:18] coordination happens with a meeting in
[4:20] the early spring every year with all of
[4:24] the coaches, president, members of the
[4:26] school district and um principles
[4:29] [snorts]
[4:30] and our our city representation as well.
[4:33] Christie has been involved in that. And
[4:35] so the the challenge lies in trying to
[4:40] get it [clears throat] to work from year
[4:42] to year. And and so
[4:46] um
[4:48] at the start of this year, um I started
[4:53] looking into what we have, what
[4:56] agreement we have in place and when we
[4:57] do not have one, which is which is
[5:00] creates some risks in itself. If you
[5:03] know we talk about insuranceances and
[5:05] you know if we have a high school kid
[5:07] break his leg in a game is that high
[5:09] school responsibility or is that this
[5:13] you know or if something happens over
[5:15] there during the time that the school
[5:18] district is there. So just the exposure
[5:20] that we have there and so needing to
[5:25] find a a solution
[5:29] and I think uh having had several
[5:32] conversations with members of the school
[5:34] board
[5:36] uh the district is is wanting to look
[5:38] for a way to find a solution over there.
[5:42] uh as are we obviously because it's a problem that we have and it's a
[5:46] growing problem each day that we add new
[5:48] members to the community. So
[5:51] the there's a there's a memorandum of
[5:53] understanding that's in a draft form.
[5:55] The the question that I wanted to ask
[5:58] the council is how do they feel
[6:00] regarding this topic specifically?
[6:03] Um, what direction do we want to go from a
[6:09] city standpoint to to assist with
[6:13] trying to find a solution for our kids
[6:15] to be able to play? All of our all of
[6:18] our kids to be able to play, not just
[6:19] those that go to school
[6:24] at the school.
[6:28] Christie, can I ask you a question? Um,
[6:32] has the high school or has the school
[6:34] district stopped taking care of the
[6:36] fields
[6:38] or is the city who is taking care of
[6:40] them directly right now? I know that the
[6:43] agreement was it was going to be the
[6:45] school district, but I don't know if
[6:47] that's happening.
[6:48] >> They were mowing it this morning. I saw
[6:50] them mowing it this morning. So,
[6:52] >> well, Ian did call me and say that they
[6:54] were not going to spray it. They were
[6:56] not going to fertilize it. they were not
[6:58] going to ariate it now that we had made
[7:00] this understanding that they would not
[7:02] be using the fields next year, but he
[7:04] agreed to mow it until they were no
[7:06] longer the high school was no longer
[7:08] playing, which will be the end of this
[7:09] week.
[7:10] >> Right. Okay. But I I know I have had to
[7:14] have some city employees go over and
[7:16] take care of the field. Um the weed
[7:19] eating hasn't been done still. Um not against I'm not putting that against
[7:25] you. I'm just saying that was the
[7:27] understanding is that they were going to
[7:29] take care of it.
[7:30] >> They're just doing the minimal mowing
[7:31] now.
[7:32] >> Yeah. So, the weed eating along the back
[7:34] fences is I mean the weeds are foot and
[7:37] a half tall. Um
[7:40] I know that the city employees have had
[7:41] to go over and take care of items as far
[7:44] as maintenance of those fields even
[7:47] though they weren't supposed to be
[7:48] having to do that. Is that correct? Um
[7:51] well again we'll need to pick up on the
[7:53] fertilizer and if we ariate we don't
[7:56] have an ariator right now so it won't
[7:58] happen right
[7:59] >> but um
[8:01] I think they have done what they said
[8:03] they would finish doing besides those
[8:05] things so
[8:08] >> okay cuz I've had to call Colton twice
[8:11] >> the water should always be us anyway
[8:14] no not about water
[8:16] >> to mow
[8:17] >> yes because the dandelions were so high
[8:20] in the outfield that they couldn't run
[8:22] through them. So, I had to ask Colton,
[8:24] could you go and run?
[8:24] >> And they did. Yeah.
[8:25] >> And they did. So, that was being taken
[8:28] care of by the city, not the school
[8:30] district.
[8:31] >> Okay. Thank you.
[8:38] » So, there was a number of items
[8:42] that were thrown around to to discuss. I
[8:45] mean, obviously obviously Grantsville is
[8:50] not too far away from a high school and
[8:53] so um
[8:56] you know uh the school district has its
[8:59] own financial challenges that they're
[9:03] working through as far as you know truth
[9:05] and taxation and some of those things.
[9:06] But this this there's been some
[9:09] discussion. There's there was some ideas
[9:11] thrown around to purchase the property
[9:13] and see if they could just build
[9:17] what it what the school needs, which is
[9:19] a soccer field
[9:21] and softball field and a baseball field.
[9:24] That would alleviate the issue entirely.
[9:27] Um make it go right away.
[9:30] Um, you know, obviously we are
[9:35] developing scenic slopes and that will
[9:38] al it won't solve the issue regarding
[9:41] the high school portion of it, but it
[9:42] would
[9:44] alleviate some impact from a little
[9:46] league standpoint, but we're we're a
[9:48] little bit away from that that end
[9:52] result. So,
[9:55] yeah, the question I have for the
[9:56] council is is what are their thoughts
[9:58] regarding this? Um, you know, there was questions of the possible
[10:06] purchase of of the park itself
[10:09] um so that the school district could
[10:11] expand
[10:13] the current um I guess
[10:18] um
[10:19] the amount required is about 45 acres,
[10:23] 45 to 50 acres. and if they were able to
[10:26] capture the park in that it gets them
[10:28] closer to that requirement.
[10:31] Um so that idea was thrown out or around
[10:36] and so I I know obviously that you know
[10:39] the park is where we meet and have all
[10:41] of our celebrations but you know is it
[10:44] big enough for us? Could it could there
[10:46] be opportunities? I'm throwing out a lot
[10:48] of snowballs here. [snorts] So, um,
[10:52] [clears throat]
[10:53] you know, could that be something that
[10:56] is discussed? Um,
[10:59] yeah. So, one, the immediate issue is to
[11:03] get an understanding with the school
[11:05] district. A little bit frustrated to
[11:07] hear that, you know, we had a we had at least
[11:12] an understanding what was supposed to
[11:14] happen and that's that's not happened.
[11:16] Um,
[11:18] you know, the other component here is,
[11:19] you know, our kids are both both
[11:22] programs actually are in the playoffs
[11:24] and, uh, and to take away their, you
[11:27] know, homefield advantage is something
[11:30] that I wouldn't want to do, you know,
[11:33] um, in [clears throat] future years if
[11:36] we're telling them they they've got to
[11:37] find another place to play. There's been
[11:39] some conversations that they would
[11:41] probably push them to the peak and then
[11:44] have to develop those fields up enough
[11:46] to be able to to support that. There
[11:50] isn't a regulate there isn't a
[11:55] regulation high school. Well, there's a
[11:57] spot for one, but it would need a bunch
[11:59] of work. So, they would have to the
[12:02] school district would have to do that
[12:04] to to make that work, which it sounds
[12:08] like they're willing or open to do.
[12:10] [snorts] Um,
[12:13] but yeah, we can't get, you know, the
[12:16] grass fertilized here. That's
[12:19] frustrating. So um so yeah getting a
[12:22] level of understanding and and putting
[12:25] it onto paper I think we could find some
[12:28] the the discussion with the board
[12:29] members is trying to find the middle
[12:31] ground and then I think it's two-prong
[12:34] thing for us is find a how do we patch
[12:37] the hole in the boat and then and then
[12:41] figure out the timeline to buy a new
[12:42] boat. So, um, is kind of the
[12:47] >> who buys the new boat?
[12:48] >> For who buys a new boat.
[12:50] >> There you go.
[12:51] >> Yeah.
[12:51] >> I have a question. So, I mean, I know we
[12:53] have a couple weeks left of school. You
[12:54] said they're in the playoffs. So, how
[12:55] much longer do they need?
[12:56] >> Just this week.
[12:57] >> Just the end of the season.
[12:59] >> But also, it sounds like you're saying
[13:00] now because they're the ones who drafted
[13:02] this memorandum of understanding, but
[13:03] now sounds like maybe they don't want to
[13:04] deal with that with us. Is that what
[13:06] we're talking?
[13:06] >> No, they do.
[13:08] the the the
[13:11] every one of the board members that I
[13:12] spoke with, they do
[13:15] um what that translates to, what that
[13:19] agreement is, the agreement as it is, we
[13:21] I I wouldn't agree to. So, the way I've
[13:24] read it, it's just it it's so one-sided
[13:29] that and it and really in the end, it's
[13:32] about putting the kids on the field. But
[13:35] I, you know, I I don't mean this with
[13:38] any disrespect to the to the school
[13:41] district, but they've really benefited
[13:44] from not having any fields here in
[13:46] Grantsville and not have to pay for
[13:47] anything.
[13:49] So, I mean, all of those other
[13:52] Stansbury, you know, toilet, they have new fields and those will cost
[13:56] something and they have something over
[13:58] here that doesn't cost anything. And and
[14:01] now that we're asking for something
[14:03] >> that it should cost something, we're
[14:05] already
[14:09] uh being difficult, I guess, is the is
[14:11] the word that
[14:12] >> non-ooperative.
[14:14] >> So, I guess we're talking about like
[14:16] putting a patch in the boat and
[14:17] initially when we saw this, we were
[14:18] going to like try and hurry and get
[14:19] something so we could kind of have it in
[14:21] place, but we're not gonna get anything
[14:22] in place now.
[14:23] >> It won't happen this year.
[14:24] >> So, we need to like now we're like,
[14:26] okay, how do we buy the boat? You know,
[14:27] and who buys it? And so I think I mean
[14:31] in my opinion it's up to them like what
[14:32] are they going to do? I mean I don't
[14:34] know which way are they leaning. Do we
[14:36] have any idea like or do they want to
[14:37] buy it? Do they I know you guys have
[14:38] talked
[14:39] >> it would benefit them to keep the same
[14:41] situation that they have. I think it
[14:43] would benefit our kids keep the same
[14:44] situation that we have.
[14:46] >> Absolutely. Absolutely. Geographically
[14:48] it's the best place for them to hold
[14:52] their programs but whose expense
[14:55] >> right? Well, the other component is is
[14:58] if if we continue what we've been doing, it just it's
[15:03] going to become increasingly more
[15:04] difficult because we have now we have
[15:06] other recreational programs that want to
[15:08] use the high school field and we're
[15:11] telling them
[15:13] there's not a place to play yet and
[15:16] that's hard to do for because it's being
[15:20] utilized by the school district. So,
[15:24] Any
[15:28] thoughts on that? [clears throat]
[15:30] >> I've I've thought for a long time that property we should sell it to the
[15:35] school. Makes sense to them having use
[15:38] it and we do a new city park somewhere
[15:41] that's I mean that place is congested. I
[15:44] also don't want the kids to have to
[15:45] drive to Desireette Peak for practices
[15:48] for I mean that road's dangerous as it
[15:49] is.
[15:50] >> Yes.
[15:50] um having to go there for practices and
[15:52] different things. Like I mean my kid
[15:55] will be out of school by then, but I
[15:56] don't want any kid driving to practice
[15:59] to Desert Peak. It just doesn't make
[16:00] sense when you got everything across the
[16:02] street and we're at a point where we
[16:05] need a probably a bigger area for our
[16:08] events and different things. So, it
[16:10] makes sense to me to
[16:12] go that route of selling it to the
[16:14] school and using that money from the
[16:15] sale to
[16:18] um whether we speed up scenic slopes
[16:21] phase two and get that process going or
[16:24] find or you know down behind Clark Farm
[16:27] do something back there. I you know
[16:29] different areas like that. So,
[16:32] >> let me give you just a little more
[16:33] background if that's okay on the selling
[16:35] of the property. So, two years ago, I
[16:38] went to the district and I I offered
[16:40] that suggestion. I said, "Look, we just
[16:42] simply when when we were a city of 4,000
[16:45] people and a 2-way high school, this
[16:47] worked. When I was growing up, I mean,
[16:50] it was okay. It was okay." Well, we've
[16:53] quadrupled our number of residents.
[16:55] We've quadrupled our number of students
[16:57] in the high school. And now, this area
[17:00] has just become all the more dangerous.
[17:02] I mean, those of you who are here
[17:04] remember the danger of a foul ball in
[17:07] 1990,
[17:09] let alone in 2026
[17:11] going on to Cherry Street. So, I said,
[17:14] "Look, this makes the most sense to me.
[17:17] I'm not the smartest person, but to me,
[17:19] it makes the most sense for you to
[17:21] purchase this property and do just as
[17:23] you said." And they said, "Well, let us get back with you on that." And
[17:28] so the answer came back that they were
[17:30] hiring a consultant for the district
[17:32] that was going to analyze what the best
[17:34] thing was to do with Grantsville High
[17:36] School and the whole entire school
[17:39] district
[17:40] um as a whole as far as their
[17:42] properties. So
[17:45] they came back after the consultant had
[17:47] been hired and they had done this big
[17:49] study and they said we do not want to
[17:52] purchase the fields because
[17:55] uh the consultant has
[17:59] um guided us that we should just buy a
[18:01] new property for a new high school. Even
[18:04] if we add on to the present high school
[18:06] and have this have the property across
[18:09] the street, it doesn't change the fact
[18:12] that we have almost 4A um enrollment
[18:15] numbers and we're sticking them into a
[18:17] 2-way high school. So, your gym is still
[18:20] going to be small. Your auditorium is
[18:22] still going to be small. The commons
[18:24] area for, you know, the cafeteria is
[18:27] still going to be too small. So the best
[18:29] thing is going to be to buy a piece of
[18:32] property and you know at at the time the
[18:36] discussion was in 2028 which is now only
[18:39] two years away we will try to bond again
[18:43] and that will be a high priority to get
[18:46] a new high school for Grantsville
[18:48] because we understand that we're taking
[18:49] up all of your space and this isn't
[18:51] working. We will then move the junior
[18:54] high to the high school and the junior
[18:57] high will become Grantsville's next
[18:59] elementary school. Okay, great. If
[19:01] that's what you're if that's your plan,
[19:03] then that's great. Well, now it's turned
[19:05] into um we're 8 to 10 years away is what
[19:10] I'm being told by school board members.
[19:12] 8 to 10 years from obtaining a new or
[19:16] going out to bond for a new high school
[19:17] in Grantsville. So the question is is
[19:21] they do not have the parking for their
[19:24] own I mean they're taking up all the
[19:27] city parking across the street. The
[19:29] church parking is becoming almost a
[19:31] nightly issue because they're taking up
[19:33] all the parking at the church and if
[19:35] there's a funeral or whatever the event
[19:37] is, the church parking lot is filled
[19:40] with high school slashcity events. Um
[19:45] but yeah, so for a minute it seemed like
[19:48] they were ready to purchase property for
[19:50] a high school and we started working
[19:52] with them on finding
[19:56] places that we thought made sense with
[19:58] our transportation plan that we were um
[20:00] working on that worked to put all you
[20:03] know having a place where traffic could
[20:05] be dispersed and and would flow and get
[20:08] people to the high school. And for a
[20:11] minute that was going really well. Um
[20:14] I'm not sure exactly where that is at
[20:16] this particular moment, but they kind of
[20:18] seem to have put the brakes on that. So
[20:20] all the things that were it felt like
[20:23] they were trying to find solutions
[20:25] uh just keep going backwards.
[20:29] Personally, I still think that if they
[20:32] are planning for an 8 to 10 year build
[20:34] for Groundsville High School, I still
[20:37] think they should buy the park and we
[20:38] should build something that makes more
[20:41] sense for our community as far as size
[20:44] of the community that we are now
[20:46] compared to what we were on, you know,
[20:48] when the park was built there on Cherry
[20:50] Street. But I don't I don't know that
[20:54] that's just a little more background of
[20:56] how this has all gone back and forth for
[20:58] the last two years.
[21:00] >> Yeah. And it's become I we talk about
[21:02] safety. I I was going two nights ago or
[21:06] three nights ago, I was going to pick up
[21:08] my son from the baseball field after
[21:11] practice and we have little tea ballers
[21:14] and I had a te-baller
[21:16] get out of his car and you know cars on
[21:19] both sides completely full and the
[21:22] parking lot for the school they had an
[21:23] event that night so it was completely
[21:25] full. So everybody's just parking in the
[21:28] church parking lot in a te in a t-baller
[21:30] ran right in front of my truck. And so I
[21:33] you know I'm I'm worried we're gonna
[21:36] have and we're going to have a a safety
[21:38] issue there
[21:40] um sooner if if this isn't addressed.
[21:44] Now I know they there's been discussion
[21:46] that they're going to move the portables
[21:50] uh from the parking lot. They're gonna
[21:52] right
[21:52] >> they're gonna purchase some new
[21:54] portables
[21:54] >> that are going on the practice field
[21:56] >> football practice fields
[21:59] >> which ended up removing our little
[22:01] league from using those fields from
[22:03] having a place that are now
[22:05] >> that are now going to go to Desireette
[22:06] Peak next year.
[22:08] >> So it's
[22:09] >> so the frustrating Sorry, sorry. The
[22:11] frustrating part about that is is
[22:13] >> that the school district was charging um
[22:17] the little league football teams to play
[22:19] on the practice field. I believe it was
[22:21] about $600 for every Saturday. Do you
[22:24] know if that's correct?
[22:25] >> It's right around there.
[22:26] >> Yeah. Okay. So, they were charging them
[22:28] $600 approximately to use the football
[22:31] practice field for their games. So,
[22:34] every game that they hosted, they had to
[22:35] pay the school district $600.
[22:38] And then now they have actually said,
[22:41] "Sorry, we're putting, you know, these
[22:43] portable more portable classrooms back
[22:45] here." Which I understand they need to
[22:47] do. I'm not disputing that that's
[22:49] necessary. But now that's eliminated
[22:51] them from having a place to play and so
[22:54] now they're having to go to Desert Peak.
[22:56] But the whole situation where they're
[22:58] using the fields for the price of
[23:00] fertilizer and um air rating and mowing
[23:05] as opposed to $600 a day to use the the
[23:09] practice field. I I just don't see where
[23:12] [sighs]
[23:13] we're just not in in a
[23:15] equitable place here. That's my concern.
[23:19] And we're not. And and really honestly,
[23:21] we're not going to solve this problem
[23:23] today. No, I think we can talk about
[23:25] this a little bit later. We've got all
[23:26] these wonderful individuals here who are
[23:29] department heads. We're here to talk I'm
[23:31] here to talk about budget, right?
[23:32] >> We can talk about agenda item number
[23:35] one. I'd like to table that and move it
[23:37] to after. We can talk about it till one
[23:39] o'clock in the morning. I don't care.
[23:40] >> Please don't. [laughter]
[23:41] >> But
[23:43] >> um I want to roll up our sleeves and
[23:45] tackle this budget. I mean, we got we
[23:47] spent 22 minutes and we've got all these
[23:49] folks here. Um, I I think we should move
[23:52] this particular discussion now that it's
[23:54] ruminating in our head.
[23:56] >> I think we should shift gears.
[23:57] >> I think that's a great idea
[23:58] >> and and focus on the budget. So,
[23:59] >> okay,
[24:00] >> that's my that's my
[24:02] >> Do you want to make a motion?
[24:03] >> Make a motion we table um agenda item
[24:06] number one and discuss it after we
[24:08] tackle agenda item number two.
[24:09] >> We have a motion by council member
[24:11] Butler. Is there a second?
[24:12] >> Second.
[24:13] by council member Williams. All
[24:14] in favor? I
[24:17] >> All right. Moving on to agenda item
[24:19] number two. Presentation and discussion
[24:21] of the fiscal year 27 budget. This is a
[24:24] discussion item only. No p no public
[24:28] comment or action will be taken tonight.
[24:30] This is just a discussion. Um and with
[24:33] that we will have a presentation of the
[24:35] proposed property tax impact schedule. I
[24:38] believe um Aspen will give that to us.
[24:42] >> Awesome.
[24:43] Um so again just for transparency for
[24:46] truth and taxation I am going to read
[24:48] the property tax impact schedule that
[24:50] you all have that was presented at last
[24:52] Wednesday's meeting with the 84%
[24:54] increase. So um at this time that's
[24:58] still
[24:59] >> sharing
[25:00] >> I'm plugged in I don't know how to get
[25:02] >> I I have to do it here I think.
[25:05] >> So you'll probably have to drag it.
[25:12] Sorry, I just want to make sure we
[25:13] present it.
[25:14] >> Okay, so this is the same one. It has
[25:17] not changed from last city will consider
[25:19] an increase to its property tax rate
[25:21] from 0.001368
[25:24] to 0.002517,
[25:26] which exceeds the estimated certified
[25:27] tax rate and is estimated to generate an
[25:29] additional 1,749,71
[25:33] in property tax revenue. The following
[25:35] information is intended to provide the
[25:37] city council and the public with an
[25:39] explanation of how the city's operations
[25:41] would be affected if the proposed
[25:42] property tax increase is adopted. So
[25:45] again, you see at the top our current
[25:46] property tax rate at 0.001368,
[25:50] which would generate approximately
[25:51] 2,82,977
[25:54] in property tax revenue. The proposed
[25:57] change would generate approximately
[26:00] 3,832,678
[26:03] in property tax revenue, which is an
[26:06] additional 1,749,71,
[26:09] which would put our new property tax
[26:12] rate at 0.02517,
[26:14] which is approximately 84% increase.
[26:17] That equates to broken $27.92
[26:20] a month for a residential average
[26:23] person. Um, with that we are proposing
[26:26] $30,000 for HR to have a pay and
[26:30] compensation study completed as well as
[26:32] an additional parks and right staff for
[26:34] city slopes coming online as well as a
[26:37] roughly 3% inflation increase on budget
[26:40] line items equating to 1 mill749.
[26:46] So that's the same. That has not
[26:47] changed. It's the same as last
[26:48] Wednesday. It's you guys have a copy of
[26:51] that. Everything's the same for that.
[26:54] for transparency.
[26:56] Um before we get too far into
[27:01] that too much um
[27:04] the budget, we do want to say
[27:09] um so we have gone through Michael and I
[27:14] mayor Heidi all of our department heads
[27:17] this morning um and we have gone through
[27:22] line by line with everyone um and We did
[27:27] see where did it go?
[27:30] So we did end up reducing
[27:33] by $456,000.
[27:36] So the difference now is 1.2 million
[27:39] that needs to be made up for in property
[27:41] taxes which just for rough estimates
[27:45] equates to approximately 62%. So based
[27:48] on what we'll be presenting tonight, it
[27:52] has gone down from 84 to 62. So that is
[27:55] stuff that we have done here internally
[27:57] with staff. Um
[27:59] >> however, we're set at 84 because of what
[28:02] we did last Wednesday, right?
[28:04] >> No, that's the highest weight.
[28:05] >> Exactly. We're set at 84. Correct.
[28:07] That's the highest
[28:08] >> as of right now. Yeah, 84 is what is
[28:10] presented. So um as we go through this,
[28:13] as things change, as you guys suggest
[28:16] different options and whatever, it could
[28:18] go down.
[28:19] Um, another point that I did want I
[28:22] guess I don't know you want to talk
[28:24] about previous history.
[28:26] >> Okay.
[28:27] >> So I did go on the certified tax rate
[28:29] website from the state. Um, has history
[28:32] back from 1999 is as far back as we can
[28:36] go. Um, I did enter all that in just for
[28:42] like the sake of conversation just so we
[28:45] can understand. Um, from n Oh, excuse
[28:48] me. 1997 is how far back we were able to
[28:50] go. From 97 to 2008, there was no
[28:53] change. We adopted Gransville City
[28:56] always adopted the proposed certified
[28:58] tax rate. In 2009, they did
[29:01] approximately a 1% increase
[29:04] um on the certified tax rate. And in
[29:06] 2010, they did approximately a 3%
[29:09] increase. That was the last time
[29:11] Grantsville City has increased property
[29:13] taxes was 2010. Now, with that,
[29:17] Gransville City adopted certified tax
[29:20] rates that were lower or excuse me, they
[29:23] adopted property tax rates that were
[29:25] lower than the certified tax rate. Um,
[29:28] in 2011, they did a 10% decrease and
[29:32] then in 2012, they did a 16% decrease.
[29:35] So, the last time Grantsville City did
[29:38] not adopt the certified tax rate, they
[29:40] were actually adopting a 16% decrease in
[29:43] property tax rates. And then since then
[29:46] again no change. So
[29:50] with that it is important to note that
[29:53] when you go back like that you it
[29:56] doesn't make up in the next year. So
[29:59] ultimately
[30:01] since 2012 they've been you know 26%
[30:06] behind what they could have been even
[30:08] without adopting an increase. So, um,
[30:12] you can see here that had they adopted
[30:15] the certified tax rate, they would have
[30:17] been at a little over a million, but
[30:19] they in property tax revenue, but
[30:22] instead since they adopted a lower rate,
[30:23] they got 978,000.
[30:26] And then the next year, again, it was
[30:28] reduced because lower and it was 1
[30:31] million, [snorts] but they took at 80
[30:34] 874,000.
[30:36] >> So, that's just things to know. Um I did
[30:39] confirm that with the contact of the
[30:41] state of Utah just to make sure that is the most upto-date accurate
[30:46] information that we have available and
[30:47] that that is correct understanding of
[30:50] that and they did confirm that that is
[30:52] correct. So that's some history about
[30:56] because I know it's kind of been like oh
[30:58] grants hasn't raised taxes in 17 years
[31:00] 18 years 14. It's kind of been I haven't
[31:02] heard a for sure number. So now we know
[31:05] it hasn't been raised since 2010 and it
[31:08] actually went down to the two years
[31:10] after. So that's just some
[31:15] thoughts there.
[31:18] Um I think now we do want to allow an
[31:22] opportunity for you guys to hear from
[31:24] some of our department heads that are
[31:26] here and available. So if you have
[31:28] specific questions directed to any of
[31:30] them, we're happy to have them come up
[31:32] or we can just
[31:34] pick on them and have you say you're go
[31:36] first. [laughter]
[31:40] » Public safety.
[31:42] >> Okay, Chief, you're up.
[31:51] » So we're all in the deficit. So, we've
[31:53] tried to go through and um just slim
[31:56] down everything. And you can see with
[31:58] any line, we've slimmed we're running
[32:00] slim everywhere across every department.
[32:03] So,
[32:04] if you guys can see anything in here
[32:07] that we can discuss that maybe you have
[32:09] questions on, but I know bottom line
[32:12] number after we went and cut I think
[32:13] we're like what
[32:16] 25 ahead of or more than last year's
[32:19] budget. So, and that's with basically
[32:24] your staff increase or your that 3% wage
[32:28] increase.
[32:29] >> So,
[32:30] >> this doesn't include the additional
[32:33] >> no status quo.
[32:40] » And then some of the notes over there,
[32:42] we kind of when we met last Friday,
[32:44] Michael and Aspen and I, we kind of made
[32:47] some notes on how we come up with these
[32:49] numbers. So, if you have questions on
[32:51] them.
[32:51] >> Yeah.
[32:52] >> One thing that I do want to point out,
[32:54] um, and I'm working with Heidi, our HR
[32:57] director, currently, um, and you see it
[33:00] here in Chief Savior's budget, and it's
[33:02] in a couple of the other budget lines,
[33:04] but unemployment compensation is really
[33:06] difficult to budget for.
[33:08] >> So, that's kind of a variable. So, that
[33:10] could be overbudgeted or it could be
[33:13] under budgeted. It's really difficult to
[33:15] know based on turnover. I do know right
[33:17] now we put it in there for ones that we
[33:19] have had pull from this year. Um but of
[33:24] course any sort of lapse in employment
[33:27] would affect that. So that's just
[33:30] something to consider. That line item is
[33:32] kind of
[33:34] a question mark.
[33:36] >> Could we
[33:38] um could we look at other professional
[33:41] services? Could we talk about that line
[33:43] item? Yeah, let's do that
[33:44] >> because it's it it's quite the jump and
[33:48] I'd like to know and understand a little
[33:50] bit better, you know, what it is the
[33:52] increase in that particular amount when
[33:54] it could go potentially to something
[33:56] else or anyways. So, just
[33:58] >> basically these are um software
[34:01] contracts. One is about $7,700. That's
[34:04] called Frontline. That's our online
[34:06] application which uh complaints, use of
[34:08] force um and we track and we do our
[34:11] employee evaluations. It also there's
[34:13] state law that we have to have an early
[34:15] intervention system and this qualifies
[34:17] for that. When we first did this
[34:20] introduced that one it was about three
[34:22] years ago two to three years ago and the
[34:24] next was like 15,000. So we got the
[34:27] budget there and a grant for the first
[34:29] year and then you have about $5,800 in
[34:32] what's called Lexapole. Lexa pulls our
[34:34] policy management um software and what
[34:38] that entails is we um every federal
[34:42] state or up upgrade to policy for best
[34:44] practice is ran through their legal team
[34:47] through the chiefs of police association
[34:49] and then they give a draft and so it's
[34:51] it allows us to keep up with best
[34:53] practices and with our accreditation and
[34:56] then there's a $1,700
[34:58] um online training platform that
[35:00] Lexipole offers and that we each officer
[35:03] has to have 40 hours annual training
[35:05] each year to maintain their
[35:06] certification and that way I can deploy
[35:09] online training so they can do it on
[35:11] shift um and not overtime compensation.
[35:15] Then we have Lexus Nexus uh basically
[35:18] background or investigation tools that
[35:21] allows us to search information when
[35:23] we're doing investigations on on people.
[35:25] ACE of the PO a the shredding service um
[35:30] is on there and then
[35:32] >> I did move um the contractor dispatch
[35:35] into that line because it was previously
[35:37] located in dues and fees which didn't
[35:40] seem appropriate. So we did move and
[35:42] that's 159,000
[35:44] >> the big jump. So that's the jump. That's
[35:46] what I was asking for.
[35:48] >> 158,000 there.
[35:49] >> There's the detail.
[35:50] >> So yeah, I didn't want to interrupt but
[35:52] I was
[35:52] >> And then I I didn't realize you moved it
[35:54] in there. [snorts] I can't see that. If
[35:56] you make it a little bit bigger,
[35:57] >> I know I was trying to fit like
[36:00] >> that's [clears throat] that's a big jump
[36:01] and the rest is is stuff like that
[36:04] council.
[36:04] >> So essentially you re reallocated fees
[36:08] from uh 105463 to that 105439.
[36:12] >> Typically it was about a 31,000 and then
[36:14] you add the the dispatch fee and that
[36:16] would make that up.
[36:18] >> All right.
[36:18] >> Yeah.
[36:22] the special program expense down at the
[36:24] bottom. That one went down
[36:25] significantly. What's that one?
[36:26] >> Yeah. So, we we started the RAD program
[36:29] um and then NOVA and then like our third
[36:32] grade Christmas cards, but I was able to
[36:34] get grant funds to get all that
[36:36] equipment. So, I think I can operate our
[36:38] just equipment and those those special
[36:41] events with that much money.
[36:43] >> Yeah, we don't.
[36:44] >> Are we keeping Nova and the red?
[36:46] >> Yes, absolutely. I think that's a great
[36:47] thing for the community unless the
[36:49] council chooses otherwise, but we've got
[36:50] all the trading and everything. So, and
[36:53] then the third grade Christmas cards,
[36:54] what that's we we have the competition
[36:57] with the the students and they give us
[36:59] our their drawings and then we publish
[37:01] those and we use those as our Christmas
[37:03] card. So, that's usually $4 to $500.
[37:12] What's the line item? It's, you know,
[37:14] like a light colored green there for
[37:17] Yeah. 236. What's what explain to me a
[37:20] little bit what that is and rent to MBA?
[37:25] Rent sounds like to me a revenue
[37:27] generator
[37:29] >> justice center.
[37:30] >> So yeah, so level pay for the justice
[37:32] center building. So you'll see it here
[37:34] and then in the MDA section of the
[37:36] budget, you see it transfer. So we'll do
[37:39] a transfer from here to the MDA and then
[37:41] that's where we're actually pay the
[37:42] loan.
[37:42] >> That's our payment.
[37:43] >> Yes. So that and that's
[37:45] >> we can change the rent to loan. That's
[37:47] how they had it named before, but yeah,
[37:49] it's a deficit there.
[37:50] >> So,
[37:51] >> yeah.
[37:52] it looks like in 26 we have
[37:55] 116,900,
[37:56] but in prior years it was 12,9500.
[37:59] >> Yeah.
[38:00] >> So, why the why the decrease? Did we not
[38:03] charge enough for rent on that to help
[38:06] pay for it on the other end or what's what's the scoop there?
[38:09] >> Uh, no, that's just the repayment
[38:11] schedule or based on the loan. Um, we
[38:14] have it varies based on principal and
[38:16] interest payments each year. So, it does
[38:18] it's not always exactly the same. It's
[38:21] sometimes in the same ballpark, but I
[38:23] can provide those to you. It's just from
[38:25] I have a whole packet of all of our
[38:26] loans with our interest and principal
[38:28] payments. So, that's just what it is
[38:30] this year.
[38:33] >> Well, this year got
[38:49] Looks like you've consistently come in
[38:51] under on parts, supplies, and equipment.
[38:55] But that's if you look at our grants,
[38:57] like this year I'll have like 43,000 or
[39:02] 50,000 in grants, and sometimes
[39:05] that helps. But this this parts,
[39:07] supplies, and equipment, there's one
[39:08] major purchase this year. Um, and Taser
[39:12] is um discontinuing our current Taser
[39:16] and that is going to the Taser 10, and
[39:18] that's about 85,000 to $100,000 purchase
[39:21] to upfit our officers.
[39:24] >> But there is a payment plan which we can
[39:26] consider, and that would be like 8
[39:28] to6,000 a year for like 5 years. I don't
[39:32] know on on that one, but you have to the
[39:35] less lethal is you have to give them the
[39:37] tools so they have I call it
[39:38] deescalation options before their
[39:41] firearm as well. So yeah,
[39:43] >> since they're [snorts] not making those
[39:44] tasers like they're not making
[39:45] cartridges and stuff for me,
[39:47] >> they're going to discontinue and then
[39:48] stop the service. So
[39:49] >> crazy.
[39:50] >> So I I have to at least get patrol.
[39:52] That's a that's a major um concern on
[39:56] that one.
[39:57] >> The salaries and wages, that's just an
[39:58] 3% increase for the current staff. You
[40:00] have the staffing. Now, I I had a the
[40:03] cola I don't know if the top out was
[40:05] there
[40:05] >> and I have I sent that to Mike. So, that
[40:08] one's still
[40:09] >> if it's considered a cola, the top out
[40:13] that wasn't considered in here. The top
[40:15] out officers, I have four top out
[40:16] people, they would stay status quo. But
[40:18] if we say it's cola, that seems to be
[40:21] more across the board, not just four
[40:23] doesn't get it. So, it wouldn't include
[40:25] those four in this number. So depending
[40:27] on if it's a step increase or cola board
[40:30] may not get it.
[40:30] >> How it was approved in in August 6,
[40:32] 2023, we presented a wage scale to this
[40:36] board. Um and then it uh was approved
[40:39] that there if if there was a coal, the
[40:41] whole step would move to make it
[40:43] consistent across. So you just up the
[40:45] step to that. And I don't know if that's
[40:47] how this council is going to choose to for that um particular item, but that
[40:52] was August 16, 2023. You can see the
[40:55] presentation and you can see the
[40:56] approval on that and how how they how it
[40:59] was u presented to them.
[41:06] » If you added another officer in your
[41:09] salaries and wages, how much more would
[41:10] you need?
[41:11] >> Well, it it depends on the on the range.
[41:14] So, on the low end, you're probably with
[41:16] benefits and full insurance. I would
[41:19] estimate on my PowerPoint that it would
[41:21] I've got that all broke down.
[41:24] it it's about
[41:27] 150 I would
[41:31] >> but you can also do other things you can hire them in incremental stages
[41:35] which you can try to span hires across
[41:37] two budget years
[41:38] >> you know and that the cost
[41:41] >> yeah but it still have we we're still
[41:43] going to be in the same boat if we're in
[41:45] a deficit the next budget year is the
[41:47] problem we across with everybody yeah
[41:49] right there that's an estimate based on
[41:50] the this is based on a top out the the
[41:54] first column there that's based on your
[41:56] top out uh the the highest we'd pay for
[41:58] an officer. So if you hire a step one is
[42:01] going to be less step five less you know
[42:04] and then the other ones is how you gauge
[42:07] the incremental hires or spread it
[42:09] throughout the year. This holds the
[42:11] vehicle outfit and everything.
[42:12] >> That doesn't Well, no. This is just This
[42:14] is a purse.
[42:17] >> But the I do have three reserve cars
[42:19] that we use them a lot. Car goes down,
[42:22] goes over. We could spend, you know,
[42:24] spread it and put them in a reserve
[42:25] card. They're still healthy. But then
[42:27] I'm starting to utilize assets and then
[42:30] cars break down. But we if they're
[42:33] sitting there, we're not using them, so
[42:34] we might as well use them as well.
[42:37] If you have another officer, does it
[42:39] reduce your overtime budget then? Or is
[42:40] that stays the same?
[42:41] >> Right now, we're still so lean. I think
[42:44] um it would it would stay about the same
[42:48] and especially with the special events
[42:50] and and things like that.
[42:52] >> Does this Sorry, ask a lot of questions.
[42:54] The salary include the
[42:56] >> your sergeant that you already you're
[42:57] missing a sergeant position. Does the
[42:59] salary increase include putting somebody
[43:00] back in that sergeant position?
[43:02] >> No, that doesn't. So right now you're
[43:04] still you're still at the two.
[43:05] >> I have a vacant sergeant position that I
[43:07] need to fill and this is kind of the
[43:10] time where we fill it or not. At this
[43:11] point
[43:12] >> you had that position and now it's
[43:13] >> gone. Well,
[43:15] >> I mean it's open. It's open.
[43:16] >> We need the right people for it and I've
[43:18] got those people now. Um it's just the
[43:22] time to fill it is when
[43:23] >> and it would be an increase in pay to
[43:25] [clears throat]
[43:26] >> Yeah, a little bit. You could go to that
[43:28] PowerPoint.
[43:29] >> Um
[43:31] and these are estimates, right? So go
[43:33] down to
[43:36] um
[43:39] see wage you do the sergeant wage just
[43:42] go to that green right there.
[43:44] >> So basically you from four if they'd go
[43:46] to step one. So if it's a step four or
[43:49] step 10 officer they'd go to that step
[43:50] one. There has to be that little bit of
[43:52] separation. So there's 2080 times that
[43:54] you're looking at um couple thousand
[43:57] here. So
[44:00] that difference, right?
[44:02] >> Yeah.
[44:03] >> That's what that would cost,
[44:06] >> Mrs.
[44:07] >> But it's we do need we do need
[44:08] supervision and we need more of it. I
[44:10] mean, it's it is very stressful on our
[44:12] line supervisors right now.
[44:15] That's kind of why this PowerPoint was
[44:16] laid out like that. But this is Yeah,
[44:19] it's where we're at. I don't know. In
[44:23] regards to revenue, does does the line
[44:26] item 103510 fines, is that all generated
[44:30] through the police department or is that
[44:34] also the justice department as well?
[44:37] >> I don't know.
[44:38] >> Proposed budget revenue-wise,
[44:42] it's line 48.
[44:44] Um, $215,000.
[44:49] Does that does that go back into the
[44:51] police department or does it just go in
[44:53] the overall general fund budget as
[44:55] revenue
[44:58] designated back for the
[44:59] >> I would say it's a general fund because
[45:01] the police pulled from the general fund.
[45:03] >> Okay. I was just curious.
[45:04] >> So for reference
[45:06] I
[45:07] >> mean there are some people that consider
[45:08] the police department as a revenue
[45:10] generator.
[45:12] >> Yeah.
[45:13] >> We just enforce the law.
[45:15] >> I know. I know.
[45:16] >> And then it goes to the court tongue and
[45:17] cheek. [laughter] Yeah. So, a lot of
[45:19] them that come into that fines is them
[45:21] paying their stuff through the court.
[45:24] >> Yeah.
[45:24] >> So, but it does ultimately just go into
[45:27] like the general
[45:28] >> fun.
[45:35] [clears throat]
[45:37] [snorts]
[45:46] It appears to me that you're running you
[45:48] should possibly can with what we see
[45:51] here.
[45:52] >> And I know we talked about this LA,
[45:54] we're already under the national or how
[45:55] many we should have per citizen.
[45:58] Correct. I mean, I think we talked about
[45:59] this last time. It's like 1.4 we're
[46:01] supposed to be.
[46:02] >> Yeah.
[46:03] >> Per thousand person. And yeah, per
[46:06] thousand and we're already gone. Yeah,
[46:08] that's an estimate and and something
[46:10] that I came up with with all the the
[46:12] research and put that document together
[46:14] and used, you know, the capital facility
[46:16] plan and then what's around and and and
[46:18] the staffing and the short staffing and
[46:20] calling people in. One person calls off
[46:22] and then we're calling in overtime and
[46:24] we can't it's last minute stuff, right?
[46:26] Um, and so you put that for and I think
[46:29] that that number is important for the
[46:31] next at least the next couple years to
[46:33] get built up and then I think and you
[46:36] need to evaluate it annually really and
[46:38] then it can kind of taper off. I think
[46:39] will like a was a 1.1 last time I
[46:42] checked. Um, but yeah, I think that
[46:46] number is very accurate that what we
[46:48] need.
[46:50] So
[47:02] » do we have any other questions for
[47:04] police chief?
[47:08] » Okay, thank you.
[47:09] >> Okay, be
[47:10] >> before we go to the next You're good.
[47:12] Before we go to the next department, I
[47:14] just got a big just 30,000 foot view
[47:18] question in regards to to the revenue
[47:20] side.
[47:21] >> Okay.
[47:21] >> Really the the top item um number five,
[47:24] what we're talking about here and what
[47:27] moves the needle for us and is property
[47:29] taxes. So if our budget
[47:35] is in fiscal year 26 was 2,82,977
[47:41] and if our 2/ird the way through the
[47:43] year which is end of February is
[47:46] 2,ion34171
[47:49] and you're saying that your anticipated
[47:53] amount that we gain from those property
[47:54] taxes is 3,51,257
[47:58] in column H.
[48:01] >> Okay. So,
[48:02] >> I'll explain.
[48:03] >> Please do.
[48:04] >> This is a requirement in our
[48:07] presentation from the state. So, as of
[48:10] February, these were our actuals and
[48:12] then we basically put in a formula based
[48:16] on what the actuals were in February to
[48:18] project what the year end would be. It's
[48:22] a flaw. It obviously doesn't work
[48:24] correctly because in circumstances like
[48:26] this, you know, the max that we could
[48:29] get is 2,82,000.
[48:31] So, um, we're not going to exceed that
[48:34] to the 3 million. It works the same with
[48:37] our expenditures. There's a lot of
[48:38] one-time like membership fees that we
[48:41] pay like we gave to the Grantsville
[48:44] socialable
[48:45] >> but we that's just a onetime thing but
[48:47] it's fully spent in January and then but
[48:50] it would project that we would continue
[48:52] spending at that rate for the rest of
[48:53] the year. So column H is somewhat
[48:57] helpful but you have to take it with a
[48:59] grain of salt because
[49:00] >> just asking the question because
[49:01] >> absolutely because it is
[49:03] >> half the shortfall is right there. I
[49:05] mean, if if that's the case,
[49:07] >> so you're saying that
[49:09] >> from July 1, I mean, column G, let's
[49:12] just talk about that because that's
[49:13] actual, right?
[49:14] >> Yep.
[49:15] >> Column G, we collected 2,34,17198
[49:21] and we're only anticipating truly
[49:25] um
[49:27] getting essentially less than 50,000
[49:29] more, right, to hit our our budget
[49:31] amount. So column H is really like you
[49:35] said it's a lot.
[49:36] >> Yeah.
[49:36] >> Okay.
[49:37] >> Yeah. And to be sure like we have to um
[49:42] yeah we do put in the budgeted amount
[49:44] based on the certified tax rate that is
[49:46] provided but it does
[49:49] we have to budget based off of that
[49:51] amount that's in the certified tax rate.
[49:53] But collection isn't 100%. So there's
[49:56] people that end up doing deferrals.
[49:58] There's people that don't pay property
[49:59] taxes. There's people that pay later.
[50:03] So, we'll get that revenue collected in
[50:05] years down the line, you know, whether
[50:08] it sells at tax sale or it sells to a
[50:10] new purchaser and they pay the Jack
[50:12] taxes.
[50:13] So, but we do have to budget based off
[50:16] the amount provided the certified tax
[50:18] rate.
[50:18] >> Yeah. And you can kind of see that in
[50:20] fiscal year 25 when we budgeted and what
[50:23] we actually got was nearly $100,000. Not
[50:26] quite, but nearly $100,000 more than
[50:31] what we had budgeted.
[50:32] >> Yeah.
[50:32] >> So, we can collect more.
[50:34] >> We can, but I could not project a budget
[50:37] that we would collect more.
[50:40] >> So, just one other question and just
[50:42] overall knowledgeable and on the same
[50:45] page. So, what do you attribute our
[50:48] ability to cover the budget in the past
[50:51] and what what because it seems like to
[50:54] me that and and not really looking to
[50:57] and owning too much on the past, but how
[51:00] were we able to make it the last four or
[51:03] five years? I I truly think the pandemic
[51:07] I think COVID and the COVID relief funds
[51:09] that were provided were the saving grace
[51:12] for city
[51:15] >> and you being the financial officer. How
[51:18] much money did we get? Because I don't
[51:20] think those of us on the council really
[51:21] know
[51:22] >> I have no idea that that number.
[51:24] >> Yeah. And I don't it was it's all been
[51:26] spent prior to when I started but I
[51:27] could get that information for you.
[51:29] >> It would be really helpful to know
[51:31] >> Yeah. how much we received in the COVID
[51:35] relief fund and then how much have we
[51:37] been taking from that that excess over
[51:41] the last five years to um to really
[51:46] supplement our budget.
[51:47] >> Yeah.
[51:48] >> Because right now, according to what you
[51:50] showed us um last Wednesday, I think we
[51:53] have
[51:55] what was it $2 million in that fund
[51:58] that's in excess, right? for our fund
[52:01] balance.
[52:01] >> Yeah, our fund balance
[52:02] >> in 2.4 million roughly.
[52:03] >> Okay.
[52:04] >> And and one thing to consider with that
[52:07] as well is it will likely go up a little
[52:11] bit at the end of this fiscal year just
[52:13] because we're not going to have 100%
[52:15] spending. So anything that's unspent in
[52:17] our general fund would go back into the
[52:19] balance. But it's
[52:22] I don't have a number for you for that.
[52:24] So it will probably go up slightly by
[52:26] the end of this fiscal year just because
[52:28] as we roll into fiscal year 27 and close
[52:30] out fiscal year 26 the unspent will go
[52:33] into that but it would be you know a
[52:38] small amount just that's unspent from
[52:40] expenditure alliance this year.
[52:44] >> Thank you.
[52:44] >> What did you say that number was again
[52:46] as 2.8
[52:47] >> four
[52:48] >> 2.4 and just so I know a lot of people
[52:50] are thinking $2.4 million we're fine we
[52:52] have $2.4 million. It sounds like a lot,
[52:54] but a city technically should probably
[52:56] have how much? I mean, is that good for
[52:57] a city or I mean, we've always been
[52:59] running behind
[53:00] >> by the state.
[53:01] >> Yeah. So, we are somewhat restricted by
[53:03] state code. We can't carry more than
[53:06] right now the max is 35%
[53:09] um in our fund balance. Um
[53:13] >> and what does that 2.4 uh what's the
[53:15] percentage of that consist of?
[53:17] >> Um I don't know.
[53:18] >> Okay.
[53:19] >> We could find out. It's not
[53:20] straightforward. Typically, they just
[53:22] calculate it at the end of your fiscal
[53:24] year just because it's constantly
[53:25] moving. But it does consider things such
[53:27] as our assets and things that we have in
[53:30] equity. So, it's not a true like bank
[53:34] account of money that's available. So,
[53:37] you know, for our fund balance, we could
[53:38] have 13 million in there, but a lot of
[53:41] that is attributed to equity and assets,
[53:44] and then we have 2.4 million in like
[53:46] available cash. So, it's not
[53:51] Yeah, but they there is legislature talk
[53:55] of capping cities at a 25% fund balance
[53:59] maximum. So that could change. Um and
[54:02] then there's also talk about capping
[54:04] cities and it's gone to the legislature
[54:06] the last two years of capping them at
[54:07] the amount that they can increase
[54:09] property taxes. They want to limit it to
[54:11] five% was the amount that was presented
[54:14] last year.
[54:15] >> So [clears throat]
[54:15] >> So our 84% would be no go if that was in
[54:18] place.
[54:18] >> That's correct. And so that is one thing
[54:20] to consider is if it does go back and
[54:22] passes next year, depending on what we
[54:24] do and what is decided this year, um it
[54:28] could potentially stifle it vote for
[54:32] a while.
[54:40] [clears throat]
[54:48] Is there anyone specific that you want
[54:50] to talk to next or get to his house?
[54:53] >> We take volunteers.
[54:55] [clears throat]
[54:56] >> I'll do.
[54:57] >> Okay.
[54:58] Which one do you want?
[55:07] Okay.
[55:21] » Was there anything specific on parks um
[55:24] you wanted to review?
[55:26] Again, as Aspen said, I do have that
[55:29] unemployment
[55:31] 106415
[55:40] your salaries and wages. That's a 3%
[55:42] increase for your all of the employees
[55:43] in parks. Is that what we have at
[55:45] >> plus a new employee, right? To take care
[55:47] of
[55:48] >> partial it
[55:50] would not be for the full year purposely
[55:52] [clears throat] but it was included for
[55:55] part of a new employee to bring on for
[55:59] >> the senior slopes. Yeah.
[56:01] >> Oh, that's a full-time or part time. Um
[56:03] well based on the property tax and pack
[56:05] schedule it's only 32,000 so that would
[56:07] be hard.
[56:09] >> And how many employees does this include
[56:11] Christie? How many are allocated to
[56:12] parks?
[56:14] >> Well she wrote there six right now I
[56:16] have three park employees
[56:19] one part-time employee and one part-time
[56:22] facility maintenance.
[56:26] So facility maintenance is in the parks
[56:29] and wreck
[56:31] budget.
[56:33] >> No, I don't believe so.
[56:36] » He probably is spread out across a
[56:38] couple budgets.
[56:39] >> Yeah, he pulls from
[56:40] >> Oh, okay. That makes sense.
[56:42] >> A lot of a lot of our employees are not
[56:43] paid out of a single budget like
[56:45] >> Right.
[56:46] >> Um I I'll clarify that.
[56:48] >> No, that makes sense. Okay.
[56:49] >> While you guys
[56:50] >> Yeah,
[56:53] >> I assume that's where you came up with
[56:54] those six because they report to Colton
[56:58] >> probably.
[57:21] your part supply and equipment. A lot of
[57:24] that again is now fertilizer. We did buy
[57:27] spray equipment so we can spray this
[57:29] next time. It is fertilizer. It's
[57:31] sprinklers. It is repair. Every time we
[57:35] get vandalism, it's it goes fast.
[57:39] >> Yes.
[57:48] Well, and you've spent 34,000 through
[57:51] February. You got four more months
[57:52] there. You're
[57:53] >> I'm I'm already over.
[57:56] >> Yeah, I am.
[57:57] >> I'm over budget in both parks and
[57:58] cemetery right now
[58:01] >> for their parks.
[58:01] >> Cemetery looks great, by the way.
[58:03] >> Thank you.
[58:04] >> I I went there yesterday and looks
[58:07] fabulous. It's on track. So,
[58:11] Just a shout out to that. I also
[58:13] received a text from a citizen stating
[58:15] that same thing that it looked great.
[58:17] So, thank you.
[58:18] >> It was fun. I called them in and I was
[58:20] going to chew them out for something was
[58:22] what they thought and then I shared that
[58:23] text with them. So,
[58:24] >> good [laughter]
[58:26] job.
[58:27] >> Chew them out.
[58:29] >> Said, "Okay, we have got two." And then
[58:31] I told them. So, that was fun.
[58:32] [laughter]
[58:34] Christy, not that you would know this
[58:36] right out the
[58:37] >> the gate here, but just curious
[58:40] those expenditures,
[58:42] what portion of that would be attributed
[58:45] to the Cherry the park on Cherry Street?
[58:50] >> I'm going with this probably [laughter]
[58:54] >> that that's hard to say. Um again,
[58:56] Cherry Street does get our most
[58:58] vandalism. I will say that. Um, you
[59:01] know, we've had extreme vandalism in
[59:03] there before and then thankfully not as
[59:05] bad this year. Um, but again,
[59:08] sprinklers, valves, um, upkeep,
[59:12] >> portable restrooms,
[59:15] but portable restrooms comes out of um,
[59:18] 33 right there. 106433 has its own line.
[59:23] But um
[59:27] you know it just
[59:30] we've been putting a lot of money or try
[59:32] to in fix Scott Beavenon Park also. So
[59:36] there's been money that went into that
[59:38] this last year in the concrete
[59:41] [snorts]
[59:41] >> that needs a sign people pass it signage
[59:45] out.
[59:51] It bought some picnic tables that are at
[59:53] Cherry Street and Hollywood this last
[59:54] year.
[1:00:05] And I guess we're seeing slopes that
[1:00:08] probably should go up.
[1:00:10] But I guess we have the one year
[1:00:11] maintenance on that for the grass and
[1:00:13] stuff. But if there's any vandalism up
[1:00:15] there, that'll be in that budget plan.
[1:00:19] Police department will take care of
[1:00:21] that. [laughter]
[1:00:26] It's a good neighborhood.
[1:00:28] >> Any other questions or you want to go to
[1:00:30] the next one?
[1:00:31] >> Let's go to the next one.
[1:00:32] >> Okay.
[1:00:32] >> Yeah, cuz I'm not seeing anything there.
[1:00:35] >> No,
[1:00:35] >> there's $24. I was questioning.
[1:00:38] [laughter]
[1:00:39] >> Cemetery is similar. Again, like I said,
[1:00:42] I'm I'm over budget on our part, supply,
[1:00:44] and equipment already right now. Um,
[1:00:48] >> so the the employee, you don't see any
[1:00:52] employees there. She had them listed in
[1:00:54] the parks, but it is they're all
[1:00:57] connected. Our water expense for both
[1:01:00] places, we have to pay oursel for our
[1:01:02] water, even though it's culinary water.
[1:01:04] So, we we meter and keep track and pay
[1:01:06] ourselves for that. That $1,000 for the
[1:01:08] North Cemetery is what we baded. excuse
[1:01:11] me, budgeted for the year before that we
[1:01:14] were going to expand it and then we
[1:01:15] said, "Wait, maybe we don't need to
[1:01:16] expand quite yet. Let's widen the
[1:01:18] roads." And we just haven't got to it.
[1:01:20] So, we're just asking that we roll that
[1:01:22] over again and still hope to expand
[1:01:25] widen those roads in the cemetery.
[1:01:27] [clears throat]
[1:01:28] >> So, that has not been that has not been
[1:01:31] spent.
[1:01:31] >> No, the only part that's been spent is
[1:01:33] about $8,000 for that rubber
[1:01:35] underllayment of the the fence. That's
[1:01:38] three quarter complete.
[1:01:40] >> [clears throat]
[1:01:42] >> And did that come out of that line by an
[1:01:43] item?
[1:01:45] >> Yeah. I don't know why we don't see it,
[1:01:47] but it's
[1:01:49] >> It might have not been when I pulled
[1:01:50] this.
[1:01:51] >> Yeah.
[1:01:52] >> Okay.
[1:01:52] >> It's It's a recent purchase.
[1:01:59] » Yeah, that line item is now has
[1:02:01] 90,852.74
[1:02:06] in it. We're lock We're talking about
[1:02:08] 106682.
[1:02:10] >> Yeah.
[1:02:10] >> Yes. Okay.
[1:02:11] >> So, yeah, we had spent $9,15726
[1:02:14] out of that line. Right now,
[1:02:20] » we have about 90 grand left.
[1:02:22] >> Yeah.
[1:02:24] >> Are we looking to you
[1:02:27] looking use our group to do Okay. Yes.
[1:02:34] Next one.
[1:02:38] Okay. So, we also have streets, class C.
[1:02:42] I have garbage or we can go to water or
[1:02:45] sewer. So,
[1:02:47] >> this is back to Jeopardy. [laughter]
[1:02:51] >> We'll take streets.
[1:02:51] >> We'll take street.
[1:02:53] >> It's kind of a lot of lines. So, again,
[1:02:56] streets. Right now, we have five
[1:02:59] full-time. We have one opening position.
[1:03:02] Um, also help Um,
[1:03:10] we did decrease the light repair. We had
[1:03:12] 10,000 in it. We said, "Let's roll the
[1:03:15] dice and go with 5,000." Um, anytime we
[1:03:19] have to repair a street light, it's
[1:03:21] typically around $2,000.
[1:03:24] We don't have the expertise to do that
[1:03:27] right now. If it's just a bulb, we can
[1:03:29] change a bulb, but if it's more, then we
[1:03:32] hire that out.
[1:03:34] um
[1:03:37] your parts, supply and equipment. That
[1:03:39] 30,000 that's actually low. That will
[1:03:42] cover us as long as we don't have a lot
[1:03:44] of snow and don't need to buy a lot of
[1:03:46] salt. So again, we'll we'll hope that it
[1:03:50] snows in the mountains and rains in the
[1:03:52] valleys. So
[1:03:55] you can see in 25 our actual was double
[1:03:59] that.
[1:04:04] So that's risky really to
[1:04:08] >> Yeah, that's
[1:04:11] half.
[1:04:15] » So go ahead.
[1:04:16] >> One of the biggest items I mean really
[1:04:18] that jumps out is just at the top the
[1:04:21] salary and wages and if we could just talk about that in general it just
[1:04:27] says corrected on the notes. So 1060-11
[1:04:31] So the the fiscal year 26 budget was
[1:04:34] 152,000 and this year's budget is
[1:04:36] $100,000 more. So just go into a little
[1:04:39] detail and explain that the reasoning
[1:04:41] behind that. It it's not just the cola
[1:04:44] increase. So
[1:04:45] >> correct we do have Ben budgeted in that
[1:04:47] line item now whereas previously he was
[1:04:49] not one we didn't have a Ben and two he
[1:04:51] wasn't budgeted to be streets.
[1:04:53] >> So that's something that that's an
[1:04:55] adjustment that we've made internally
[1:04:56] between Christy and payroll and HR. So a
[1:04:59] portion of his wages is reflected right
[1:05:02] here. Yes. All of it.
[1:05:03] >> All of that's [clears throat] all of Ben
[1:05:04] is paid out of streets. Ben is 100%
[1:05:07] streets. With that, we do have the
[1:05:09] caveat that um throughout the year as
[1:05:12] Ben does projects, we can reimburse
[1:05:14] streets from the class C road funds as
[1:05:16] we had discussed previously, but we do
[1:05:19] have to cover him from somewhere first.
[1:05:22] So that's where he's budget.
[1:05:23] >> So he could pay for himself, correct? To
[1:05:25] a certain extent, right? And his crews
[1:05:27] as well.
[1:05:29] So that is I mean I understand we need
[1:05:30] to
[1:05:32] >> need to have the budget and we need to
[1:05:33] have the number there
[1:05:34] >> but there there could be could be some
[1:05:37] swing there. So
[1:05:38] >> based on the road he's he's working on.
[1:05:41] >> Yeah.
[1:05:41] And so again that's our intent and
[1:05:44] our hope right now. Our road crew has
[1:05:46] been doing scenic slopes for Z golf and
[1:05:49] then they've spent a lot of time right
[1:05:51] now on the rodeo grounds preparing them
[1:05:53] for the rodeo. the last two days they've
[1:05:55] been hauling a lot of we've been getting
[1:05:57] some free roto millings from UD doat and
[1:05:59] we're you know stockpiling piling them.
[1:06:02] >> Yeah, I saw
[1:06:03] >> and so that you know [snorts] in hopes
[1:06:06] that saves us from buying material
[1:06:08] later.
[1:06:10] >> Well, that's why we have to do a
[1:06:11] reimbursement just because class C road
[1:06:14] money is so restricted. We have to be
[1:06:17] very careful of what was work was being
[1:06:19] done and then kind of like pay ourselves
[1:06:21] back out of class C. It wouldn't just
[1:06:23] apply to him generally speaking.
[1:06:35] » Any other questions?
[1:06:38] >> And then we'll go down to um water,
[1:06:41] sewer, and
[1:06:42] >> we didn't did we look class C? We didn't
[1:06:44] talk about class C funds.
[1:06:46] >> Sorry.
[1:06:46] >> Yeah, that's the enterprise fund, but
[1:06:48] >> yeah, sort of.
[1:06:49] >> Let's just look at that real quick.
[1:06:50] >> Yeah. So this amount I do want to So
[1:06:54] this is what you guys had approved just
[1:06:55] recently for Ben to spend on his
[1:06:57] equipment. So this is where we're at
[1:06:59] right now with [clears throat] that.
[1:07:01] I'll keep adjusting this down as like we
[1:07:04] get closer. But that will just be what
[1:07:06] carries over into being spent from that
[1:07:08] approval in next fiscal year. But that's
[1:07:11] that line item specifically. And then
[1:07:14] obviously the rest
[1:07:17] can ask.
[1:07:20] And I mean we we just approved this, but
[1:07:22] all that money has to be used and
[1:07:24] designated for class C roads.
[1:07:26] >> Yes.
[1:07:27] >> For that equipment.
[1:07:28] >> That's correct.
[1:07:29] >> Then what we don't what we can save in
[1:07:31] that we're going to put toward road
[1:07:33] projects actually start preparing.
[1:07:35] >> Then I can buy the oil, the chip sill,
[1:07:37] the crack sill, the mastic,
[1:07:39] >> all the product.
[1:07:41] >> Yep.
[1:07:42] >> Then we do have the million dollars
[1:07:44] there budgeted for the projects to
[1:07:46] continue on to do all those projects for
[1:07:48] next year in the roads.
[1:07:50] Have we ever done road maintenance?
[1:07:53] >> No, we've always hired it out.
[1:07:54] >> Hired it out 100%.
[1:07:56] >> When was the last time we did some road
[1:07:59] maintenance?
[1:08:00] >> Well, every year we've hired some out.
[1:08:01] Every year we've hired some
[1:08:03] >> a certain amount every year that we've
[1:08:04] attacked.
[1:08:07] » But hopefully, again, our intent is to
[1:08:10] be able to do more now with this crew.
[1:08:13] Yeah.
[1:08:13] >> Be able to do more product with an
[1:08:16] in-house group.
[1:08:23] So adjusting that outlay really doesn't
[1:08:25] help us
[1:08:26] >> that 2,797,810
[1:08:30] >> by just more road product bas. But
[1:08:32] adjusting that down doesn't
[1:08:33] >> no
[1:08:34] >> doesn't necessarily affect the overall
[1:08:35] budget because that money goes back
[1:08:37] >> because it can only be in class C.
[1:08:40] >> I understand just want to make sure that
[1:08:42] >> we're all on the same page that it can't
[1:08:44] be moved and reallocated somewhere else.
[1:08:46] >> Yeah, absolutely. And it's a great point
[1:08:48] of clarification. Absolutely. But yes,
[1:08:50] you're that's the correct understanding.
[1:08:52] >> But the cheaper that equipment is, the
[1:08:54] more roadway we get to fix.
[1:08:57] >> That's great.
[1:08:58] >> And potentially the more money we get to
[1:09:00] use to help pay for his wage.
[1:09:02] >> Correct.
[1:09:03] >> Which would affect the line item up
[1:09:05] above streets.
[1:09:06] >> So in a roundabout sort of way,
[1:09:08] >> it can
[1:09:08] >> in a roundabout sort of way.
[1:09:11] >> We can affect [snorts] that number up
[1:09:12] above.
[1:09:14] >> Just got to start on class C roads
[1:09:16] first.
[1:09:18] only do class.
[1:09:19] >> So I guess going back to that number
[1:09:20] >> all roads are class C roads.
[1:09:22] >> Sorry, everybody else driving.
[1:09:24] >> Could we move that number? Can we move
[1:09:26] that number down at all? I mean I've got
[1:09:28] it I've got it noted.
[1:09:29] >> So I mean we can we can talk about
[1:09:31] there's 100k there and could we could we
[1:09:33] note that and say that you know some of
[1:09:37] this class C road fund outlay is going
[1:09:40] to go back to the projects and we're
[1:09:42] going to pay ourselves for it and that
[1:09:43] could affect that. It could I think my
[1:09:46] biggest hesitation would be um if it
[1:09:49] doesn't work out that way. So and we
[1:09:51] don't this is our first year having
[1:09:54] right and so it's really hard to say
[1:09:55] like I couldn't go back like yeah so
[1:09:57] every year you know we're able to use
[1:09:59] the class road funds to pay back then so
[1:10:01] we can budget this amount to be less. Um
[1:10:05] it would just
[1:10:08] I would be hesitant to reduce that just
[1:10:11] because we do need budget to pay for our
[1:10:13] employee.
[1:10:15] >> Okay. Well, note it. And
[1:10:18] >> yeah,
[1:10:18] >> maybe we could tack a little little bit
[1:10:20] later in an hour or two. [laughter]
[1:10:26] » The red wants to be here all night.
[1:10:28] >> No, I just I'm [laughter] trying to
[1:10:29] think outside the box,
[1:10:30] >> right? So I mean asking the right
[1:10:33] questions and understanding where the
[1:10:35] monies come from and how they can be
[1:10:36] reallocated is important.
[1:10:39] >> Yeah, absolutely.
[1:10:40] >> Oh, I also want to say Ben was very
[1:10:41] knowledgeable when he did his it's nice
[1:10:42] having Ben to know somebody who has
[1:10:44] roads experience. He seemed very
[1:10:45] knowledgeable. So it's my thought on
[1:10:47] that. So
[1:10:48] >> So we get an increased amount of class C
[1:10:50] road money based on the miles of roads
[1:10:52] that we have in the city. Right.
[1:10:54] Correct. So as far as this year, will
[1:10:56] there be an increase in the amount of
[1:10:58] revenue we receive in class C roads?
[1:11:00] Have we built enough roads that we'll
[1:11:01] make any type of
[1:11:02] >> I added three miles. So,
[1:11:04] >> three miles.
[1:11:04] >> It won't add that much, but okay.
[1:11:06] >> We submitted it.
[1:11:07] >> Okay.
[1:11:09] >> It'll add up eventually. Yeah.
[1:11:11] [laughter]
[1:11:16] » Okay. You want to go to garbage
[1:11:18] or sewer water, whichever comes up.
[1:11:21] >> So, I think water's first. Um
[1:11:25] water. this just obviously I think it's
[1:11:27] worth looking at the budget but just
[1:11:29] keep in mind it is an enterprise fund so
[1:11:31] it is not impacted or impact shy taxes
[1:11:35] so it's its own fund based on the income
[1:11:39] that we receive from water so it is its
[1:11:43] own budget but
[1:11:46] >> so I have four people three and one that
[1:11:51] you can see back up to those wages
[1:11:53] that's obviously covers more than four
[1:11:55] people. And so it's our water fund and
[1:11:57] our sewer fund that helps supply some of
[1:12:00] the other employees be it streets and
[1:12:03] parks. So
[1:12:07] >> So what you're saying is is that some of
[1:12:10] the individuals paid out of this fund
[1:12:11] are also assisting and helping in other
[1:12:14] >> in other areas in park center.
[1:12:15] >> Yeah. It flexes like my salary, Aspen
[1:12:18] sorry comes out of there as well as
[1:12:19] Tyson's we do split into the enterprise
[1:12:22] funds. So it helps diversify
[1:12:24] >> Yeah.
[1:12:25] >> staff salary that has to do with those
[1:12:27] kind of departments.
[1:12:28] >> Yeah. So like we're not paid 100% from
[1:12:30] the general fund.
[1:12:32] >> So we do come out of funds.
[1:12:36] >> A good portion comes out of these funds
[1:12:40] respectively.
[1:12:41] >> Yes.
[1:12:42] Proportionately.
[1:12:46] » Um their asphalt repair we have there at
[1:12:49] 60,000. Again, it's not um
[1:12:54] impacted by a tax increase, but we have
[1:12:57] a lot of a lot of water leaks. Um with
[1:13:00] having Ben's crew do it, potentially
[1:13:03] that could be less, but um I mean, I had
[1:13:07] three calls over the weekend, so had
[1:13:10] three different water leaks this
[1:13:11] weekend. Um [clears throat]
[1:13:14] we have
[1:13:16] the
[1:13:17] water meters. Um, as you have new builds
[1:13:21] and repairs, we haven't spent that much
[1:13:24] this year. The building has slowed down,
[1:13:26] but with the development that's on
[1:13:28] Shel's and Bill's table, it's coming.
[1:13:33] So, we're going to be spending that in
[1:13:35] meters. Um,
[1:13:39] our parts, supply, and equipment. I know
[1:13:41] that seems high, but I just did a PO for
[1:13:44] one PRV. That's $10,000. you know,
[1:13:47] connections for all these water parts.
[1:13:49] Every Instatite is about $30 each. Brass
[1:13:52] has gone up exponentially. Every hydrant
[1:13:55] you have to replace is just under
[1:13:57] $10,000.
[1:13:58] So, it goes fast if you have to make the
[1:14:02] repairs.
[1:14:04] Of course, if we don't, just like this
[1:14:06] year, we're not we'll most likely not
[1:14:08] spend it all and it will roll over and
[1:14:13] I don't spend it because it's there.
[1:14:15] >> [clears throat]
[1:14:16] >> Thank you.
[1:14:18] >> Sorry, Christie had a question on the
[1:14:19] water meters. Like when we get revenue
[1:14:21] back specifically, like I'm assuming,
[1:14:25] you know, you have a developer comes in,
[1:14:27] they come in, pick up a water meter, and
[1:14:29] then we're charging them for the use of
[1:14:32] that water. Where does that money come
[1:14:34] back into
[1:14:36] in the budget?
[1:14:39] So those there's only 22 hydrant meters
[1:14:42] that we rent out if that's what you
[1:14:45] mean. So a developer on their individual
[1:14:47] homes, we put the individual meters in.
[1:14:50] But you mean the hydrant meters. Where
[1:14:51] does that money come back into?
[1:14:53] >> They're using water to pack the road
[1:14:55] down or something.
[1:14:57] >> They're drawing that water from a
[1:14:59] hydrant.
[1:15:00] >> They should have they should be doing it
[1:15:01] with a meter and it should be
[1:15:03] >> calculating how much.
[1:15:04] >> Where does that come back into spend?
[1:15:06] Just their general fund, right? was our
[1:15:08] process for that? Cuz I've I the reason
[1:15:10] I'm asking is I've been in multiple
[1:15:11] cities and
[1:15:14] >> I've seen anywhere from $2,000 to
[1:15:17] $10,000.
[1:15:18] >> They put a deposit down to use the
[1:15:20] meter, but then it's 6,000. It's $6 per
[1:15:23] thousand gallons is what we charge. So
[1:15:27] >> yeah, 22 24
[1:15:30] >> I believe it was 22
[1:15:31] >> meters out right now.
[1:15:33] >> So and then they also fill up at the
[1:15:35] stand pipe. Would you charge them a fee
[1:15:38] every month on top of the usage that
[1:15:42] they
[1:15:42] >> like a rental fee? Helps buy it helps
[1:15:44] buy new meters essentially. Yeah. Okay.
[1:15:48] But the revenue we receive from that is
[1:15:49] it just go to the overall
[1:15:53] >> I don't believe so. I
[1:15:54] >> revenue fund [snorts]
[1:15:56] >> um
[1:15:58] this one
[1:15:59] >> I can verify because then this metered
[1:16:01] water sales is like our
[1:16:04] >> utilities. Right. But we do have water
[1:16:06] meter. I don't know.
[1:16:10] I'll have to look once I can get onto
[1:16:12] the other side just to verify. But I
[1:16:15] will verify and get you guys a number
[1:16:16] for where that revenue comes in because
[1:16:18] we do charge for the usage based on from
[1:16:21] the rental of the hydraator.
[1:16:24] >> I mean really for our purposes here the
[1:16:28] water fund is kind of its standalone
[1:16:31] business. business really what we're
[1:16:33] looking at in the budget is what this is
[1:16:35] irrelevant property taxes
[1:16:37] >> that that this doesn't affect that at
[1:16:39] all get any money from that because it's
[1:16:41] stand alone because it balanced out
[1:16:44] >> so this is not something we should
[1:16:46] tackle
[1:16:46] >> okay
[1:16:47] >> or sewer
[1:16:48] >> well sewer is the same sewer and garbage
[1:16:51] are the same
[1:16:52] >> the only difference in this year that
[1:16:54] this I mean we could take note right now
[1:16:56] is that once you get the water credit
[1:16:58] funds it'll come into the water fund and
[1:17:00] then you'll have to transfer out of here
[1:17:01] to the general fun
[1:17:04] >> which we do have I have it in here to
[1:17:06] come into the capital projects fun here
[1:17:08] because that's what I right we can
[1:17:11] adjust that and we can adjust that as
[1:17:13] you guys see that excuse me as it does
[1:17:15] for the general fund but you are correct
[1:17:17] so water fund sewer fund and garbage
[1:17:19] fund are all their own so they won't
[1:17:21] adjust property tax but it is here
[1:17:23] obviously if you guys have notes I don't
[1:17:25] want to
[1:17:26] >> and you would still have to approve it
[1:17:27] as part of the budget
[1:17:28] >> but yeah but we obviously don't have
[1:17:31] spend time on it tonight. If you guys
[1:17:32] had other issues, we could you could
[1:17:35] email us that we could address about
[1:17:36] these funds,
[1:17:38] >> which is a great idea.
[1:17:40] >> These don't these don't move the needle
[1:17:41] for
[1:17:42] >> they don't sewer water sewer.
[1:17:46] >> Yep.
[1:17:47] >> Because they're all enterprise
[1:17:48] >> except for the salaries kind is spread
[1:17:50] across kind of the idea. But they're
[1:17:53] proportional to
[1:17:55] what time usage they have. You can't put
[1:17:57] like all my entire salary the one kind
[1:18:00] of thing that we get audited and so
[1:18:02] based on the audits we we've tried to
[1:18:04] maximize the diversification of our uh
[1:18:07] administrative staff spot through the
[1:18:09] different enterprise spots.
[1:18:14] » Obviously to help save money on the
[1:18:15] general fun
[1:18:16] >> yeah that's that's perfectly understand.
[1:18:19] >> Yeah.
[1:18:20] >> Thanks Christie. Any new volunteers?
[1:18:27] I don't know where we landed today
[1:18:28] because I didn't get to see it.
[1:18:31] >> So, let's see.
[1:18:38] » Where can I cut?
[1:18:42] So,
[1:18:45] let's see.
[1:18:49] I guess what questions do you have in
[1:18:50] there? Then we'll go there.
[1:19:04] and
[1:19:05] >> so I'm sorry. For salary and wages, how
[1:19:06] many how many employees is that under
[1:19:08] salary and wages?
[1:19:09] >> So that would be the three chiefs, the
[1:19:11] fire marshal, and the secretary.
[1:19:14] >> Oh, and that's all for mechanic.
[1:19:20] But
[1:19:20] >> that's all for them. The
[1:19:22] >> stipen
[1:19:24] Call it part.
[1:19:26] >> I wouldn't call it part.
[1:19:27] >> No. [laughter]
[1:19:29] Full time.
[1:19:30] >> Full time with
[1:19:31] >> the penny perk.
[1:19:33] >> Yeah.
[1:19:33] >> Volunteer pat on the back.
[1:19:35] >> Yeah. 100 years.
[1:19:37] >> So proposed budget
[1:19:42] 41 estimated 48. We dropped 7,000 there.
[1:19:47] Well, she said I mean you were 40,000
[1:19:50] last year and you've used 32,000
[1:19:54] in fiscal year 26. I don't know how that
[1:19:57] maths out.
[1:19:57] >> Yeah, I don't know how that ms out
[1:19:59] either because they're all the same.
[1:20:00] They don't change stipens the month. So
[1:20:03] explain that aspen what you did on the
[1:20:05] salaries and wages for the fire.
[1:20:07] >> That's probably just 3% across the
[1:20:08] board. So if it doesn't apply to the
[1:20:10] fire then type things or because we do
[1:20:12] pay chiefs. So [clears throat] that
[1:20:14] would be a no no increase for chiefs
[1:20:17] then.
[1:20:17] >> No, I was just wondering because it's
[1:20:18] the number. So we're 32.
[1:20:21] We're at 48 is where it's projected.
[1:20:25] >> Oh yeah, I can tell you where it's at
[1:20:26] right now to be more accurate.
[1:20:28] >> That'd be great. I mean that one should
[1:20:31] be pretty easy to calculate.
[1:20:35] >> 111. So, actually right now it's at
[1:20:37] $43,2195.
[1:20:40] So, it's gone over the budget by $3,000,
[1:20:42] but it hasn't reached that 48,000 this
[1:20:45] time.
[1:20:47] >> But we still have two more months,
[1:20:48] >> correct?
[1:20:51] >> That's probably through the end of
[1:20:52] April, right?
[1:20:56] >> Yeah, that's as of today.
[1:20:58] So,
[1:21:05] » vehicle maintenance is so that that
[1:21:07] number actually should go up.
[1:21:08] >> Yeah.
[1:21:09] >> I'm just I'm just telling you
[1:21:10] >> just reality.
[1:21:11] >> Yeah. What's what's real? So, let's
[1:21:14] >> I'll just make a note and I can pull
[1:21:15] those.
[1:21:17] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[1:21:27] » Let's see. vehicle maintenance that line
[1:21:29] item is low. I have not moved the ladder
[1:21:32] truck this year.
[1:21:35] >> I have not dumped any money into the
[1:21:37] ladder truck this year.
[1:21:40] >> So, and we didn't have a big wildland
[1:21:42] season last year. So, but anything we do
[1:21:45] break on a wildland call, the state does
[1:21:46] reimburse us.
[1:21:48] >> So, we're going to have
[1:21:51] >> this year is going to be ugly. And we
[1:21:53] have two new brush trucks, so that helps
[1:21:55] our vehicle maintenance.
[1:21:59] uh turnouts.
[1:22:01] Um I know we are over this year. That's
[1:22:05] only five sets of turnouts coming in the
[1:22:08] near future. We will have turnouts that
[1:22:10] will be expiring every 10 years.
[1:22:12] >> Sorry. What's a turnout [laughter] your
[1:22:14] bunker gear? Your fire gear.
[1:22:16] >> I should know this.
[1:22:18] >> Gear. So they do expire every 10 years.
[1:22:20] And we do have a list of people that are
[1:22:22] coming up on that 10 year to get new
[1:22:24] turnouts. selling there about $5,000 a
[1:22:27] set. You mentioned that when we were
[1:22:30] >> Yeah.
[1:22:33] >> Natural gas power. Can't do nothing with
[1:22:35] that is what it is. We try to keep the
[1:22:37] heaters as low as we can, the AC as high
[1:22:40] as we can.
[1:22:44] Any questions? I guess [clears throat]
[1:22:46] the the rent payment
[1:22:48] um for the fire station that 97 grand.
[1:22:51] Does that seem pretty accurate?
[1:22:54] So, it's actually for this year it's
[1:22:56] 109. Um, and I can go actually grab my
[1:22:59] mind real fast if you want just so I
[1:23:01] have those available. It
[1:23:03] >> Oh,
[1:23:04] >> but it's just based on the loan amount
[1:23:06] that we're repaying for the payment for
[1:23:08] the price. This is the one I I'm looking
[1:23:10] at Google I'm looking at Google Drive. I
[1:23:13] thought you were in Google Drive and
[1:23:14] you're updating it in real time, but
[1:23:15] >> Oh, apologies. Yeah, this one is the one
[1:23:18] that staff who we've been working on
[1:23:20] this since this morning. Okay.
[1:23:22] But [snorts] um
[1:23:25] >> yeah, keep it keep it there. Seems
[1:23:28] pretty
[1:23:32] » equipment line items.
[1:23:34] >> That does not include the new Jaws of
[1:23:36] life, does it? That was 90 grand.
[1:23:38] >> Well, the 90 grand was for two sets.
[1:23:41] >> Yeah.
[1:23:41] >> So, they're 45,000 a set. So, that was a
[1:23:45] >> two. We could
[1:23:48] we would live with one. So,
[1:23:51] >> okay.
[1:23:52] >> Bigger,
[1:23:52] >> but right now that's not in there in the
[1:23:54] >> none of it is. Yeah.
[1:23:55] >> So, what do we do if we can go? So, you
[1:23:57] just get
[1:23:57] >> We have hydraulic ones that are old
[1:23:59] >> that leak oil that they got to put oil
[1:24:01] in it as they're trying to extricate the
[1:24:03] people out of their guards. They just
[1:24:05] hang on there for a minute. Let me get
[1:24:07] some oil.
[1:24:07] >> This thing full of oil. That doesn't
[1:24:09] sound good.
[1:24:10] >> Yeah.
[1:24:10] >> No, it really doesn't.
[1:24:12] >> And it's a liability.
[1:24:13] >> If they start from bouncing around in
[1:24:14] the back of the trucks, they're fun.
[1:24:17] They're [clears throat] old. If council
[1:24:18] wants, we could add that right now.
[1:24:21] >> I think we should.
[1:24:22] >> How often? I mean, you find yourself
[1:24:24] needing those often?
[1:24:26] >> Uh,
[1:24:28] no.
[1:24:28] >> But it's better, I guess, to have it at
[1:24:30] [laughter]
[1:24:32] I shouldn't say often, but I mean,
[1:24:33] >> yeah. So, it's not
[1:24:36] uh
[1:24:38] probably two times a year, but if we get
[1:24:39] Mid Valley Highway, it's going to be
[1:24:42] more.
[1:24:42] >> Yeah.
[1:24:43] >> Even [snorts] with this top
[1:24:44] [clears throat] light.
[1:24:45] >> Yeah.
[1:24:45] >> I have a feeling.
[1:24:47] They're out there once a week. Seems
[1:24:49] like once is
[1:24:50] >> Are we attacking the grant avenue for
[1:24:52] that too, Michael? Do you know like can
[1:24:54] we Is that something that's grant
[1:24:56] applicable? That type of equipment?
[1:24:58] >> We believe we did apply for a grant for
[1:25:02] >> for extrication tools. Yes, we're
[1:25:05] applying for every grant out there.
[1:25:10] » Alexis,
[1:25:11] >> yes, you are. Yes, Alexis. when you
[1:25:13] you've got that in there at the full
[1:25:14] amount for both. I mean, maybe let's
[1:25:18] >> I only added in 45,000.
[1:25:21] >> Still those other
[1:25:22] >> just regular other expenses that were in
[1:25:25] there, but
[1:25:27] >> yeah, that's just a normal budget for
[1:25:29] >> plus 45,000 for one side.
[1:25:31] >> She's out of
[1:25:35] >> Is there something else you that you
[1:25:36] feel like is important that you want to
[1:25:38] add?
[1:25:38] >> Ladder truck.
[1:25:40] >> Well, I should said Yeah. Um,
[1:25:44] no, that that's important. Um, I think
[1:25:47] our uniforms line item needs to go up.
[1:25:50] Um, we have one set of class B uniform,
[1:25:53] but you notice I wore a different
[1:25:54] uniform tonight because mine's at the
[1:25:56] dry cleaners if you can't wash them. Um,
[1:26:00] and turnouts needs to go up because we
[1:26:02] do need to um give people new turnouts
[1:26:06] as per
[1:26:07] >> and that's a requirement. That's not
[1:26:09] like a wait. Yeah, that's a every 10
[1:26:12] years. So,
[1:26:13] >> I believe my bunker gear, my structure
[1:26:15] gear is 11 years old. I don't wear it
[1:26:18] very often. I don't go in fires very
[1:26:20] often. So, but I need to have it. So, if
[1:26:22] I have to.
[1:26:24] >> So, that's under your uniforms.
[1:26:27] >> And then
[1:26:29] [sighs]
[1:26:30] the
[1:26:32] volunteer appreciation proposed was to
[1:26:35] add money there for this yearly stipen
[1:26:38] for the firefighters.
[1:26:40] Um, I noticed that we put the increase
[1:26:43] for the hundred year celebration. I will
[1:26:45] say I don't agree with the that being a
[1:26:47] volunteer appreciation. I think the 100
[1:26:49] year celebration should be its loan own
[1:26:53] item
[1:26:54] and we're proposing 15,000 for that. You
[1:26:58] guys um approved the badges
[1:27:01] last council that we would like to do a
[1:27:03] couple events and do a nice event for
[1:27:05] the fire department dinner something
[1:27:08] with the city fire department for 100
[1:27:10] year because none of us will see another
[1:27:13] 100 years with fire station. So you're
[1:27:14] saying you want that to be separate from
[1:27:16] what you have in volunteer and you're
[1:27:17] asking for how much in that one
[1:27:19] >> in just the 100redyear one
[1:27:20] >> the 115,000
[1:27:21] >> 15 and including already the 6,000 that
[1:27:24] >> no that's with 6,000
[1:27:25] >> with total 15,000 [snorts]
[1:27:28] >> for the 100 year celebration
[1:27:30] because we bought the challenge coins
[1:27:33] already. Now we got the badges and
[1:27:35] patches coming so it would just be four
[1:27:36] events and and a nice dinner.
[1:27:41] You're saying add an additional 15
[1:27:43] grand?
[1:27:44] >> No. So take 15,000 out of volunteer
[1:27:47] appreciation, make a different line item
[1:27:50] or the 100year and I propose to
[1:27:53] >> was you added seven. So take the seven
[1:27:56] and add it to another line. Bump that
[1:27:58] up.
[1:27:59] >> Leave the seven in volunteer
[1:28:00] appreciation and add 15,000 for
[1:28:04] the 100 year celebration. And right now
[1:28:07] I have them in volunteer appreciation
[1:28:09] just because I don't want to tie up a
[1:28:11] one use budget line. You know, our 100
[1:28:15] year celebration budget line is only
[1:28:16] applicable
[1:28:18] >> next year. And so I'm happy to look at
[1:28:22] what other budget lines we have in fire
[1:28:24] and maybe we put it in its own that's
[1:28:26] not used for volunteer appreciation. I'm
[1:28:28] happy to do that just so it is separate.
[1:28:30] But I was just hesitant. I don't want to
[1:28:32] create a new budget line
[1:28:33] >> for a one time
[1:28:34] >> a one time use and then it's just going
[1:28:36] to be forever cluttering up our chart of
[1:28:38] accounts
[1:28:39] >> for the next
[1:28:42] >> foreveration
[1:28:45] one time.
[1:28:45] >> Yeah. Just just as long as we can note
[1:28:47] it that that's I mean that that seems
[1:28:50] like the most
[1:28:52] >> yeah obvious what you've got there. I
[1:28:55] mean that that would be that probably
[1:28:57] the best place to put it in 67.
[1:29:01] >> And then if if he want what he wants
[1:29:03] then we need to increase it by up to
[1:29:07] 25
[1:29:08] >> 25,000
[1:29:09] >> 20. So 17 and 15. What's that? 32
[1:29:20] » or what you want this to be I guess.
[1:29:22] So
[1:29:23] >> you said 10 grand
[1:29:25] >> 17
[1:29:27] >> 15 and 17
[1:29:28] >> 15 I thought
[1:29:29] >> you want this to be
[1:29:31] >> 22,000
[1:29:35] » yes
[1:29:39] » right
[1:29:42] » okay
[1:29:43] >> and that will average out I think if we
[1:29:45] did the volunteer appreciation line I
[1:29:47] have a 17,000
[1:29:49] on average I think that would be we'd be
[1:29:51] like8 $8 a call.
[1:29:53] >> Yeah.
[1:29:54] >> Not including the other time in the
[1:29:56] station. That's just forward calls and
[1:30:01] doesn't include training.
[1:30:11] » Any questions come?
[1:30:15] >> Thank you.
[1:30:18] Anyone
[1:30:20] like to go next?
[1:30:24] » Okay.
[1:30:35] Our options [clears throat] were
[1:30:37] fairly limited because we're running
[1:30:40] pretty lean as it is and our staffing is
[1:30:42] pretty lean. But we did look at our
[1:30:44] collections development budget. We
[1:30:46] reduced a lot of those. Um, let's see.
[1:30:50] Um, books,
[1:30:52] we dropped that $5,000.
[1:30:56] We can make up the difference with
[1:30:57] grants.
[1:30:59] Uh, we are not doing much with the music
[1:31:02] collection, so we cut that out
[1:31:03] completely. Audio visual is reduced as
[1:31:06] well. We [clears throat] have a a
[1:31:09] growing collection of DVDs for those who
[1:31:11] don't have streaming or online, you
[1:31:13] know, services.
[1:31:16] And those are quite popular, aren't
[1:31:18] they? The DVDs.
[1:31:19] >> Yes. Yes.
[1:31:20] >> For people to check out.
[1:31:21] >> Uh DVDs and uh children's books are the most popular collections that we
[1:31:27] have.
[1:31:29] >> It's like Blockbuster.
[1:31:31] [laughter]
[1:31:32] >> A modern day Blockbuster.
[1:31:34] >> Uh I Yeah, I hope we have a better
[1:31:37] selection. [laughter]
[1:31:39] >> Great.
[1:31:39] >> And [snorts] some maybe some Anyway, uh
[1:31:43] >> we won't go there. Our collection aligns
[1:31:45] with the community standards and
[1:31:47] expectations. I'll leave it at that. Um,
[1:31:51] salaries and wages, we didn't have much
[1:31:53] room. I did ask for an additional
[1:31:55] part-time position. I don't think it's
[1:31:58] going to happen considering everything
[1:31:59] that's been going on. If we did get
[1:32:02] another additional library tech one, we
[1:32:05] would have put that person on the desk
[1:32:08] doing regular responsibilities but also
[1:32:11] focusing in one of two different uh
[1:32:14] specialties. Either they would be
[1:32:16] trained and you may be a a retired
[1:32:19] teacher, somebody who could do
[1:32:20] one-on-one uh tutoring for those who
[1:32:23] need some additional help with literacy
[1:32:25] or whatever it is, or somebody who would
[1:32:27] be comfortable with technology.
[1:32:30] and they would be the the go-to person
[1:32:32] for computer support. Um, the staff are
[1:32:36] great as it is now, but we're a little
[1:32:38] bit more limited that I'd prefer. And if
[1:32:40] we could do that and step up, I think
[1:32:42] it'd be a quite a help to the community.
[1:32:47] Um, I mean, salaries and wages, your budget's cut from 263,500
[1:32:54] to 222,
[1:32:56] right?
[1:32:57] >> It's adjusted down. I did pull numbers
[1:32:59] based on our current um like staff and
[1:33:03] that's where I've been getting our
[1:33:04] salary and wages numbers was from
[1:33:06] current staff. Um so I'm not sure I can
[1:33:09] verify just to double check that number
[1:33:12] but I can't say that it's um like it's
[1:33:16] not including getting rid of anyone for
[1:33:18] the library is basically what I'm
[1:33:19] saying.
[1:33:19] >> And does that include a 3% cola
[1:33:22] increase?
[1:33:22] >> Yes.
[1:33:26] » Yeah. We also uh decreased dues and fees
[1:33:30] 104463 as well as conferences, training
[1:33:32] and travel. Uh the training that we do
[1:33:35] is either in-house or we allow staff to
[1:33:38] go to the state library and all the
[1:33:40] training there is free.
[1:33:58] Really? From last year to this year, you
[1:33:59] cut your budget 50 grand plus,
[1:34:04] » right?
[1:34:05] >> Yes.
[1:34:07] >> 45 to 431.
[1:34:13] » Good job, John.
[1:34:15] >> Thanks. It It's a non-standard director
[1:34:18] position.
[1:34:20] um if we have an opportunity to help out
[1:34:23] with landscaping or whatever it is or
[1:34:25] grant writing or whatever the uh
[1:34:28] position needs, uh we're able to step up
[1:34:31] and so uh we just make it work.
[1:34:34] >> They're always willing to help out.
[1:34:36] >> Yes.
[1:34:37] >> So, any questions?
[1:34:41] You might need your binder for this one,
[1:34:42] but the library rent
[1:34:45] >> um at the 18,615
[1:34:48] and pardon me from not ever asking this
[1:34:51] question, but I thought the library was
[1:34:53] paid for, but
[1:34:55] >> no. So, it's not. And this number does
[1:34:58] change based on so we also [snorts] city
[1:35:01] sends us money for Okay, that's what I
[1:35:03] >> So, they actually pay for the bulk of
[1:35:06] the library. And then this is the
[1:35:08] difference between what we get from Tula
[1:35:10] City and what's owed.
[1:35:12] >> So, it does vary a little bit, but um
[1:35:16] based on the numbers for this year,
[1:35:17] we're at 1860.
[1:35:19] >> I mean, considering I mean, that's not a
[1:35:21] lot divided by 12, right?
[1:35:23] >> Yeah.
[1:35:24] I was just curious as to
[1:35:25] >> I just this might need your binder too,
[1:35:27] Aspen. But all these rent payments that
[1:35:30] we're talking about, whether it's the
[1:35:32] library or the different buildings, are
[1:35:34] any of those close to being
[1:35:37] >> No.
[1:35:38] >> paid. No.
[1:35:39] >> Okay. Just just curious.
[1:35:41] >> We looked at that list like I want to
[1:35:43] say seven or eight months ago. We we got
[1:35:45] to see that
[1:35:47] >> where we're at.
[1:35:48] >> Yeah. And I'll send it out again just so
[1:35:50] you guys have the updated numbers. You
[1:35:52] can kind of see and then kind of explain
[1:35:54] which each one of them is.
[1:35:59] All right.
[1:36:00] >> Okay. Thank you.
[1:36:01] >> Sure. Thanks.
[1:36:04] [laughter]
[1:36:08] » Welcome, Bill.
[1:36:08] >> Guy with the bow tie. [laughter]
[1:36:10] >> Um,
[1:36:11] >> I just got to start out by saying thank
[1:36:13] you for taking the time. This is an
[1:36:16] unscheduled meeting and I know you get
[1:36:18] paid a ton. That might be a place for
[1:36:20] you to start looking at saving some
[1:36:22] money is cutting your own salaries.
[1:36:24] [laughter]
[1:36:25] >> [clears throat]
[1:36:25] >> Thank you.
[1:36:26] >> Just saying the public's watching.
[1:36:30] Um, no, thank you so
[1:36:33] much. This is this is tough. It's tough
[1:36:35] to go through all these numbers and sit
[1:36:37] through and I'm I'm really grateful for
[1:36:39] the time that y'all are putting in. So,
[1:36:41] do you want to start out with building
[1:36:43] or community development? Let's go with
[1:36:45] building since it's on top there.
[1:36:47] um building is one of those interesting
[1:36:49] places where we actually see some decent
[1:36:51] revenue as um building permits get
[1:36:56] processed. We do see fees and things
[1:36:59] that are associated with that. So keep
[1:37:01] in mind that uh even though these
[1:37:02] numbers look significant, they're offset
[1:37:06] also by
[1:37:08] some revenue that we get as well. So,
[1:37:11] um,
[1:37:13] this hasn't changed a whole lot since
[1:37:16] the the previous year. So, uh, hopefully
[1:37:19] you have any questions or anything on
[1:37:21] any of that.
[1:37:23] >> Actually, looks like it's gone down
[1:37:24] right from 26 to 27. Yeah,
[1:37:29] I'm just curious what the transfer
[1:37:30] capital project fund is and why is it
[1:37:33] not in the 27 budget and
[1:37:35] >> what did we utilize in 26 and
[1:37:39] what I mean it says eliminated in the
[1:37:41] notes. So part of that equation is is
[1:37:45] that particular number right there.
[1:37:47] >> Yeah, I don't know what the answer is to
[1:37:48] that honestly. Um that was something
[1:37:50] that Aspen did so I'm going to defer to
[1:37:52] her on that. There was a transfer from
[1:37:57] our fund to the capital project fund.
[1:38:01] >> Okay.
[1:38:02] >> So
[1:38:03] >> maybe that's fe and loo maybe
[1:38:06] had something to do with personnel. I
[1:38:08] thought
[1:38:11] >> I'm not sure.
[1:38:13] Maybe not.
[1:38:14] >> I might be thinking of something else to
[1:38:16] get back.
[1:38:19] I know they they've had a increase in
[1:38:22] building fund for a few years and that's
[1:38:24] why there's probably about 1.2 million
[1:38:26] in capital funds from the building that
[1:38:31] it is in our funds right now.
[1:38:35] I think that Sher was mentioning that was part of the funds that she was
[1:38:39] going to pull off for city hall. That
[1:38:42] was her plan
[1:38:43] >> for that. So I think that's what that
[1:38:45] transfer was in the past.
[1:38:47] >> Okay. If I was to guess right now,
[1:38:52] >> can you highlight can you drive her
[1:38:54] computer? Can you highlight the formula
[1:38:57] in um F 425?
[1:39:02] Just the formula down below. And does
[1:39:04] that include that?
[1:39:08] » Okay, it does.
[1:39:13] I'm just curious why the
[1:39:16] Thank you.
[1:39:19] Let's see what the increases. I mean,
[1:39:21] you got $73,876
[1:39:24] in increased in budgeted salaries and
[1:39:27] wages. So, that's a significant increase
[1:39:30] between 26 and 27's proposed budget,
[1:39:35] line 406, right?
[1:39:41] » So, you're wondering why this is. Well,
[1:39:44] I I mean the transfer capital projects
[1:39:46] fund where I we asked or I asked the
[1:39:48] question about that.
[1:39:50] >> And
[1:39:52] so
[1:39:53] >> so that so this is something that we
[1:39:56] have taken out based on I had put the 18
[1:39:58] million in. So this isn't unique to
[1:40:01] building. There was a couple of others
[1:40:03] that had transferred a capital projects
[1:40:05] fund in their budget because your
[1:40:08] capital projects fund doesn't have a
[1:40:09] revenue stream. It only gets revenue
[1:40:12] from the general fund putting money into
[1:40:15] it.
[1:40:15] >> So, I took all of that out for this
[1:40:18] budget under the assumption that the 18
[1:40:21] million from the water credit sales
[1:40:23] would be going into capital projects.
[1:40:25] >> That's different. We can of course
[1:40:27] adjust that, but it is like there's no
[1:40:30] money to do the capital projects
[1:40:33] unless we're putting money into it. Like
[1:40:35] it doesn't have its own revenue source
[1:40:36] outside of transfers in from the general
[1:40:39] fund.
[1:40:40] So
[1:40:41] >> consolidated
[1:40:44] projects for one more.
[1:40:46] >> Yeah. So there's so no department budget
[1:40:49] is contributing to the capital project
[1:40:51] at this time because of the
[1:40:54] >> if we do something different with it, we
[1:40:56] could adjust.
[1:41:01] » Any other questions on any of that?
[1:41:06] >> I see. I see where the difference is.
[1:41:07] >> Yeah, I knew I knew she'd have the
[1:41:08] answer. [laughter]
[1:41:10] a little bit more.
[1:41:11] >> I was getting the debt thing
[1:41:12] >> getting the other answers.
[1:41:13] >> So the the 573 go
[1:41:16] >> sorry.
[1:41:17] >> So the 573876
[1:41:19] and that reflects
[1:41:21] um the wages we currently have in the
[1:41:23] department now.
[1:41:26] >> Um for an entire year less than 3%
[1:41:29] colum.
[1:41:30] >> Yes.
[1:41:32] >> And the employee benefits and the health
[1:41:33] insurance that's all reflective of the
[1:41:35] increases that would happen there.
[1:41:38] And those are so those are a 5% increase
[1:41:40] based on what PHP is going to be
[1:41:42] charging us.
[1:41:50] » So you have a
[1:41:53] $67,000 decrease in the total budget,
[1:41:57] but you have a $73,000 increase because
[1:41:59] of the 154,750
[1:42:02] on line 424. So I see where the math is
[1:42:05] now. split
[1:42:08] um
[1:42:10] bills and berries out of both budgets
[1:42:13] there
[1:42:14] >> and even like you
[1:42:15] >> I think my salary is split between the
[1:42:18] two departments.
[1:42:21] » Yeah. And I think Barry's comes directly
[1:42:23] out of community development. So
[1:42:26] >> but you know Tyson, Michael, myself were
[1:42:29] also considered into the size of these
[1:42:31] budgets as well.
[1:42:34] >> Proportionally. Okay. Any
[1:42:38] other questions on building?
[1:42:42] Okay. Then uh community development.
[1:42:47] You can see that there
[1:42:50] a lot of the increases there are
[1:42:52] directly related to um some new
[1:42:54] positions that were added.
[1:42:57] um my position Barry and Tayun
[1:43:06] » and then there were commensurate
[1:43:08] increases smaller increases but
[1:43:10] commensurate increases in the training
[1:43:12] budgets and and that kind of thing
[1:43:13] because we're training additional people
[1:43:16] as well so that makes sense I think in
[1:43:20] those places I hope one of the places
[1:43:22] that you'll see a significant redu
[1:43:24] reduction easy for me to today is in the
[1:43:27] uh uh engineering the the engineering
[1:43:30] services line item.
[1:43:34] Um we're we're keeping that budget still
[1:43:36] relatively high for this year and then
[1:43:38] we'll kind of see how it goes. We we do
[1:43:40] still use engineering services outside
[1:43:44] um the city, outside of Barry because um
[1:43:48] and it's it's useful to have that on on
[1:43:50] our books because there are projects and
[1:43:52] things that are done that require
[1:43:55] specialized skills that uh are outside
[1:43:59] of Barry's wheelhouse. He's he's really
[1:44:02] good. he's he can handle almost
[1:44:03] everything, but uh for example, flood
[1:44:06] plane administration
[1:44:08] um and and uh recommendations that way
[1:44:11] are a very specialized kind of skill
[1:44:14] set. And so to help offset that and to
[1:44:17] help with reviews with uh plans that do
[1:44:20] involve the flood plane, it's useful to
[1:44:22] have someone that we can tap to say uh
[1:44:25] please help us review these plans for uh
[1:44:28] flood plane impact. So that's why that
[1:44:31] looks the way it does. This may or may
[1:44:34] not fully get used and if it doesn't
[1:44:36] we'll reduce our budget numbers for next
[1:44:38] year. But we wanted to make sure that we
[1:44:40] had that even at a reduced rate still on
[1:44:42] our books. So if we did need it, it was
[1:44:44] available.
[1:44:49] » We kind of missed the boat on 26 budget.
[1:44:52] That was 50 grand. We spent 91,000
[1:44:55] through six.
[1:44:57] >> Yeah. And that's a little bit of a a
[1:45:00] tricky number too because we do charge
[1:45:02] some of those numbers back to the
[1:45:04] developers for the in the review fees
[1:45:06] and things like that and they agree to
[1:45:08] pay uh when they apply they agree to pay
[1:45:11] uh any outside looks that we have at
[1:45:14] those things. So although the budget
[1:45:16] line item looks significant there we've
[1:45:18] also had a significant increase on the
[1:45:21] revenue side.
[1:45:22] >> Yeah.
[1:45:23] >> So but we don't see that because that
[1:45:24] goes into the general fund.
[1:45:27] So it is so building and community
[1:45:30] development are kind of tricky. We have
[1:45:33] them in our financials that you guys get
[1:45:34] sent out. They're actually not included
[1:45:36] in the general fund and you'll see them
[1:45:37] in their own and so you'll see their
[1:45:39] revenue compared to their expenses. Um
[1:45:42] however during budgeting we do include
[1:45:44] them just all in general fund with their
[1:45:46] expenses and their revenue together
[1:45:48] because should they fall short in their
[1:45:50] revenues their expenses will be covered
[1:45:52] by the general fund. So it's not a true
[1:45:54] enterprise fund. Ultimately, it kind of
[1:45:57] operates even out, but it doesn't always
[1:46:01] work out that way.
[1:46:02] >> So,
[1:46:04] >> our goal is and and that's why we have
[1:46:06] looks at the fee schedule on a regular
[1:46:08] basis to to make sure that we're our
[1:46:11] fees that we're charging do cover the
[1:46:13] expenses that are being incurred by new
[1:46:15] development in particular. It's not
[1:46:17] going to be a onetoone. Obviously, we do
[1:46:19] other things in the department that uh
[1:46:21] take time and money. Um
[1:46:24] but we Shelby said she has something
[1:46:26] like 120 applications that she's working
[1:46:29] on right now. Um, we had 52 building
[1:46:32] permits last year for new homes, just
[1:46:36] for new homes, not businesses or
[1:46:37] anything like that. Um, we're we're
[1:46:40] keeping busy and uh our our crew is very
[1:46:44] efficient and very lean and uh I feel
[1:46:47] really good about these numbers and and
[1:46:48] the direction that they're going. Um,
[1:46:50] I'm super proud of our employees. the
[1:46:53] work that they do is is the best quality
[1:46:56] around and u just I I couldn't ask for a
[1:47:00] better crew to work with just yeah and I
[1:47:04] know each department feels like theirs
[1:47:06] is the best but I would say that mine is
[1:47:09] hands down
[1:47:11] >> nice sales [snorts] pitch [laughter]
[1:47:20] so any questions on any of
[1:47:27] We did have a pitch for uh an eyeworks
[1:47:31] new additional eyeworks module that we
[1:47:33] might be looking at and so that might
[1:47:35] get added to this. I she sent me the
[1:47:37] numbers. I can't remember what they
[1:47:38] were. They were like seven grand or
[1:47:40] something like that. And that would help
[1:47:42] us with our streamline our our
[1:47:45] operations and in and have a different
[1:47:48] forward-f facing applications portal for
[1:47:52] uh developers and applicants so that
[1:47:54] they know where they're at in the status
[1:47:56] and who's reviewing what and all of
[1:47:58] those kinds of things. So that could be
[1:48:00] useful going forward, but again it's one
[1:48:02] of those things that we need to decide
[1:48:04] if we want to pay for it or not. So um
[1:48:07] that could be something that we'll bring
[1:48:08] forward. that was just this today a
[1:48:11] after that's why we had to leave was to
[1:48:12] go talk to them about that. So, um we're going to have a follow-up with
[1:48:17] them on that and we'll get those numbers
[1:48:18] to you as soon as we can.
[1:48:20] >> So, it's an online portal portal program
[1:48:23] that allows the GC to go in and see the
[1:48:26] status of what permits still
[1:48:28] outstanding. And
[1:48:29] >> that's exactly right. And what the
[1:48:30] status is on the reviews and all of
[1:48:32] those kinds of things. if there's any
[1:48:33] payments that are
[1:48:34] >> anything like that in the city.
[1:48:36] >> We kind of do, but we rely more on email
[1:48:38] communication that way and there's not
[1:48:40] really a forward- facing eyework portion
[1:48:43] of that. And so we we send letters out
[1:48:45] to people and things we generate through
[1:48:47] IWorks uh code enforcement and that kind
[1:48:49] of thing and we keep track of our own
[1:48:51] internal stuff there. But this would add
[1:48:53] that that uh customerf facing module on
[1:48:57] and that that seemed like a useful
[1:48:59] thing. So um We'll let you know. Yeah.
[1:49:06] >> So, specifically on line 450, grant
[1:49:08] expense $115,000 for a general plan.
[1:49:12] That's our matching
[1:49:15] amount.
[1:49:15] >> No, we're getting a $100,000 from WFRC.
[1:49:19] >> Okay.
[1:49:19] >> And then the the 15 would be our match
[1:49:22] on that
[1:49:24] >> that one.
[1:49:26] >> Okay. So, if we're getting
[1:49:28] >> So, that would be money. there would be
[1:49:30] a there would be a a revenue stream in
[1:49:32] under grants.
[1:49:34] >> You got it reflected in grants.
[1:49:36] >> So yeah, 100 grants.
[1:49:37] >> The hard part with grants and that is
[1:49:39] something that I have to bring up that
[1:49:41] we kind of touched on a little bit in
[1:49:42] our meeting this morning is grants are
[1:49:44] hard because every grant application
[1:49:47] asks if you have the project budgeted
[1:49:50] and if we don't we have to say no and
[1:49:53] that doesn't work out great. So we this
[1:49:56] one ultimately costs us 15,000 but we
[1:49:59] have 100,000 in revenue and 115 coming
[1:50:01] out. So our part is 15,000 but I have to
[1:50:05] show that in our budget we have that
[1:50:07] project budgeted for to be completed.
[1:50:10] And so that's one caveat with grants
[1:50:12] that I think has been what we really
[1:50:15] need to start focusing on because
[1:50:18] there's been a lot of times where Alexis
[1:50:20] has been asked to go after a grant and
[1:50:23] technically we don't have we don't have
[1:50:25] that that project budgeted and so it
[1:50:29] it's a catch 22, right? Because if you
[1:50:31] budget for it, where's it going to how
[1:50:33] does it show up in our budget? But if
[1:50:35] it's not budgeted for the grants, it
[1:50:37] doesn't look as well as on a grant
[1:50:38] because it seems like it's not a project
[1:50:40] that the city was actually planning to
[1:50:42] do anyway.
[1:50:44] >> So where's the other $100,000? Can you
[1:50:46] show us exactly where it is up on the
[1:50:48] revenue?
[1:50:49] >> So yeah, let's see.
[1:50:51] >> I know it's a lot to scroll all the way
[1:50:53] back up to.
[1:51:02] So here we Oh, I actually put it in 115.
[1:51:04] So I do need to reduce it, but it's here
[1:51:06] in grant revenue for community
[1:51:07] development, but it should only be
[1:51:09] 100,000.
[1:51:11] >> Oh, not a million.
[1:51:12] >> Yes, a million. [laughter]
[1:51:15] >> Thank you. That's
[1:51:17] >> surprise. I solved so many problems.
[1:51:20] >> Just needs to add some zer.
[1:51:23] We're going to be fine.
[1:51:24] >> Yeah. So that is right here. So that
[1:51:26] will actually be um a grant revenue
[1:51:30] specific line. So, oh, I already got
[1:51:32] past it.
[1:51:33] >> So, by me open up my big mouth, I just
[1:51:35] lost this $15,000.
[1:51:37] >> Yeah, sorry. [laughter]
[1:51:38] >> But I mean, good
[1:51:41] >> good for transparency, but it is
[1:51:43] budgeted. This included revenue. So, I'm
[1:51:46] sorry.
[1:51:48] >> But $15,000 is a good buy in to get a
[1:51:50] hundred,000.
[1:51:51] >> Yeah, that's that's money well spent.
[1:51:53] >> We all understand we want to do that,
[1:51:55] right?
[1:51:56] >> Yeah, grants are Yeah, that's something
[1:51:57] we have to do.
[1:51:59] One of the things we talked about this
[1:52:00] morning too and and um I'm not sure if
[1:52:02] you guys had heard the news or not, but
[1:52:04] we had a meeting um late last week with
[1:52:10] the uh folks at the Army Depot about uh
[1:52:14] Colonel Road. I don't know, did you guys
[1:52:16] hear about that?
[1:52:17] >> Yeah, we heard.
[1:52:19] >> Yeah. So the exciting news is that the
[1:52:21] value though that um we we get from
[1:52:24] having the depot participate with us in
[1:52:27] that uh that project is that we can
[1:52:31] leverage that the value of the land in
[1:52:34] grants and grant proposals going
[1:52:37] forward. So Barry told me that it's just
[1:52:39] a ballpark but the the land that he had
[1:52:41] kind of pencileled in the value of that
[1:52:43] was about two and a half million.
[1:52:45] instead of us having to go pay for that,
[1:52:48] the the grant from the depot would could
[1:52:51] then be used to go and leverage um
[1:52:56] >> that could be a matching to
[1:52:58] >> exactly we can we can use that to
[1:52:59] leverage and get grants for what was
[1:53:02] maybe
[1:53:03] >> FEMA and then
[1:53:07] maybe they called it
[1:53:09] >> maybe Maida maybe we can get some of
[1:53:11] that sweet money or whatever. Um, but
[1:53:15] the the idea is that uh it it all kind
[1:53:19] of works together. And so um that's how
[1:53:22] we're we're approaching this, trying to
[1:53:24] find creative ways to leverage money
[1:53:26] that we don't really have to uh get more
[1:53:28] money that we don't have yet. So
[1:53:35] » it's a good plan.
[1:53:36] >> Yeah, we're working it.
[1:53:43] » [clears throat]
[1:53:44] >> Any other thoughts or questions on that?
[1:53:47] >> Okay. Thanks, guys.
[1:53:49] >> Thank you.
[1:53:53] » Want to go next?
[1:53:54] >> Yes, please.
[1:53:56] >> All right. So, you know me as judge, but
[1:53:59] today I'm the justice uh court director,
[1:54:02] Jamie Topham. I'm not appearing in my
[1:54:05] judicial capacity is, but I'm comparing
[1:54:07] in my director capacity.
[1:54:10] Uh, so let's look at my budget.
[1:54:15] » Uh, what happened to our wages?
[1:54:19] >> I adjusted yours to be the proper
[1:54:21] amount,
[1:54:22] >> but it can't go down. Remember?
[1:54:25] >> No, that's the same because before I had
[1:54:26] in I had you budgeted for the same
[1:54:28] amount with a 3% increase.
[1:54:30] >> Okay.
[1:54:31] >> So, I kept it I it reduced down to what
[1:54:34] a current is without 3%
[1:54:36] >> on anyone
[1:54:37] >> on just you. We guide the girls at 3%.
[1:54:40] >> Okay. But you have to do and you did my
[1:54:42] 3% increase.
[1:54:44] >> I kept yours at the rate that it was.
[1:54:46] >> Oh, it has to go up 3%. Okay. So, go up
[1:54:48] 3%. I'm sorry. This is just
[1:54:50] miscommunication between us.
[1:54:51] >> Yes. This is what's complicated.
[1:54:53] >> I'll change that one back.
[1:54:54] >> My department is a separate entity, a
[1:54:58] separate branch of government.
[1:55:00] However, you guys provide us the money.
[1:55:03] So, I have these different hats that I
[1:55:05] wear. One of the hats that I wear is as
[1:55:06] a judge and there's a specific statute
[1:55:09] about how you pay me and it's dependent
[1:55:13] on workload but once it's set you can't
[1:55:15] decrease it even if my workload
[1:55:17] decreases. This last year for
[1:55:19] transparency the city the state sent out
[1:55:22] or the AOC sent out that our workload my
[1:55:24] workload went down. So it was 2.24%
[1:55:28] [clears throat]
[1:55:28] last year and this year it says it's at
[1:55:31] 09%.
[1:55:33] What happened is they went back and they
[1:55:35] reweed the different types of cases. In
[1:55:39] reality, our case load over there has
[1:55:42] gone up dramatically. So, for example,
[1:55:45] in April of 2025, we had 66 case
[1:55:48] filings. April of 2024, it was about the
[1:55:51] same, 66 case filings. April of 2026, we
[1:55:55] had 166 case filings. And that's just
[1:55:58] going up. As the police department does
[1:56:02] their job, we it creates more of a job
[1:56:04] for us. I don't know why the AOC decided
[1:56:09] to wait the case load the way they did
[1:56:12] because it has certainly not gone down.
[1:56:14] Um we've created efficient efficiencies
[1:56:18] over there. We've created some
[1:56:20] efficiencies with how the prosecution
[1:56:23] um handles cases that can be handled a
[1:56:26] little bit more administratively, but it
[1:56:29] has not reduced the case the workload on
[1:56:31] my staff. So, right when I took when I
[1:56:33] came or actually right before I came to
[1:56:36] the court, we had two full-time people
[1:56:39] when right before I started, they
[1:56:41] reduced that to one and a half and we're
[1:56:44] at one and a half, but we really need
[1:56:46] two. And I've I looked at the budget.
[1:56:49] I'm a realist and uh so we're at one and
[1:56:52] a half, but I've asked that we look into
[1:56:55] being able to bring on a second
[1:56:57] part-time person before the next fiscal
[1:57:00] year because I don't know that my
[1:57:02] current staff can handle the case load.
[1:57:04] And uh the current one of the part-timer
[1:57:07] that I have now is going to have to
[1:57:08] transition to remote because she has to
[1:57:11] relocate out of Grantsville City because
[1:57:12] she can't continue to reside here and
[1:57:15] work for part-time wages. Another added
[1:57:18] thing that for you guys to consider, and
[1:57:20] I'm giving all this information because
[1:57:21] I don't know if you guys know anything
[1:57:22] about the court or how we run or what's
[1:57:25] what we do, but the judicial assistants,
[1:57:28] it's pretty specialized. They have a lot
[1:57:30] of training that they have to go through
[1:57:32] to become pretty effic uh proficient and
[1:57:35] it's been at least a year takes them at
[1:57:38] least a year to get to where they're
[1:57:40] really proficient where they can take
[1:57:42] care of anything at any given time. So
[1:57:45] to replace somebody like that is a is a
[1:57:48] huge pull of resources or if we have to
[1:57:51] do the timing uh training and I don't
[1:57:54] have another person to do the training
[1:57:56] if we have to get a new person. My
[1:57:58] current full-timer would have to do that
[1:58:00] and we don't have a budget for overtime
[1:58:02] or anything like that. Um so all of that
[1:58:05] needs I I would like you to take into
[1:58:07] consideration what I'm asking for. My
[1:58:09] ultimate ask would have been a full-time
[1:58:11] person so that I could keep my c my
[1:58:13] current other part-time judicial
[1:58:15] assistant here in Gratzville. I
[1:58:18] understand that's not working out. She's
[1:58:19] going to make a transition. We're going
[1:58:20] to make it work. But I really like you
[1:58:22] to consider a second part-time position,
[1:58:24] and I understand that city council has
[1:58:26] to make a decision on that rather than
[1:58:27] us just going and hiring. Um, beyond
[1:58:30] that, our budget's extremely thin. Um,
[1:58:34] we are very efficient over there. We try
[1:58:37] to do everything electronically and uh
[1:58:39] as little paper as possible. There are
[1:58:41] some things that we can't get around.
[1:58:43] So, our um supplies are low. Our parts
[1:58:46] and equipment
[1:58:48] um this this last year we actually did a
[1:58:53] lot of expenditures the year before and
[1:58:56] we sometimes try to make it work with
[1:58:58] the police department. like we got last
[1:59:01] year we got the um electronic
[1:59:03] fingerprint machine that makes things
[1:59:06] much more efficient for both departments
[1:59:08] and we shared that as a budget. So
[1:59:10] you'll see that that stays pretty low
[1:59:12] but I don't I can't anticipate what's
[1:59:14] coming next so I'd rather not reduce
[1:59:16] that but we've reduced pretty much
[1:59:18] everything else that we possibly can. Oh
[1:59:21] I was starting to tell you about my
[1:59:23] rates. So, when you see that the
[1:59:24] workload went down, there's also on that
[1:59:26] letter, it suggests what the pay is, and
[1:59:29] it's less than what I'm currently
[1:59:30] earning, but you can't change my pay
[1:59:33] during a term. So, and it says that all
[1:59:35] in the letter, so take a time to read
[1:59:37] it. I don't know if you've gotten it,
[1:59:39] but um just I'm putting that information
[1:59:42] out there for you so you understand. And
[1:59:43] you do have to do the same increase that
[1:59:45] you would do for other employees in the
[1:59:47] same department.
[1:59:48] >> Okay. So, I do give you the
[1:59:50] >> Yes. Okay.
[1:59:51] >> Sorry about that.
[1:59:52] >> You're good. I had it in there before
[1:59:53] and then after this morning I was like,
[1:59:55] "Oh, I'll take it out then."
[1:59:56] >> Well, I did the math. It wasn't mathing
[1:59:58] at 3% for the whole department. But
[2:00:00] that's why I asked about it.
[2:00:02] >> Do you have any questions? Do you want
[2:00:04] me to clarify anything else?
[2:00:05] >> I do. Where the baiff wages, where did
[2:00:06] they go? They were
[2:00:07] >> So, the baift wages are actually in the
[2:00:09] police department's budget and I believe
[2:00:11] that that's
[2:00:13] >> Yeah. So, that just goes into the
[2:00:15] overtime.
[2:00:16] >> So, we Why is it not in the judicial
[2:00:19] that money?
[2:00:20] >> Can we put it in the judicial line? I
[2:00:22] mean it was there before. Why did it get
[2:00:23] >> you have to reduce it from the overtime
[2:00:25] for the police and then
[2:00:27] >> Oh,
[2:00:27] >> that's where we pay for it.
[2:00:28] >> Is the overtime budget for
[2:00:30] >> And my understanding is it all comes out
[2:00:31] of the general fund. So it's
[2:00:32] >> Does it really matter?
[2:00:34] >> Does it What?
[2:00:35] >> I said it doesn't really matter then.
[2:00:36] You're saying because it all comes out
[2:00:37] of the general fund whether we put it in
[2:00:38] yours or theirs,
[2:00:39] >> right?
[2:00:39] >> Yeah.
[2:00:40] >> And we have to they have to by statute
[2:00:42] they have to provide us baifts and they
[2:00:44] do. It's great. They I mean we never
[2:00:46] have an issue. We always have the baift
[2:00:48] support that we need. We always have
[2:00:50] whatever transport we need. Um that's
[2:00:53] working really well. How the finances
[2:00:55] work is in my department.
[2:00:57] >> Well, I guess like I guess it doesn't
[2:00:58] really matter. As long as it's being
[2:00:59] budgeted for, they know that they
[2:01:02] >> which so I mean goes to another officer
[2:01:04] when you've got people covering the
[2:01:05] courts on a a day. That's another
[2:01:08] officer you've got off the streets. And
[2:01:09] it's not only one, you've got multiple
[2:01:11] like because you have one coming in
[2:01:12] doing at the front and then one How many
[2:01:15] do you usually have?
[2:01:16] >> Minimum two, but most of the time it
[2:01:18] takes three.
[2:01:19] >> Yeah. And it's cor once a week I think
[2:01:21] right
[2:01:21] >> that's that's correct we're typically
[2:01:23] just in the morning we will have small
[2:01:25] claims or trials in the afternoon on
[2:01:26] Thursdays so since um when I came in
[2:01:30] they were doing two or three days a week
[2:01:33] uh now we're one day a week we made it
[2:01:35] as efficient as possible uh also
[2:01:37] thinking about attorney time so his
[2:01:40] resources are are you know focused on
[2:01:43] one day for our court and then he can
[2:01:45] focus on city matters otherwise and the
[2:01:48] same with
[2:01:49] um legal defenders. So, I mean, I don't
[2:01:53] know how much more efficient we could
[2:01:54] possibly get.
[2:01:56] >> As it grows, we may have to change and
[2:01:59] we'll I'll evaluate as we go, but right
[2:02:01] now it's working well.
[2:02:05] >> So, you're asking the judicial is
[2:02:06] another part-time. That's what you'd
[2:02:08] really like to get.
[2:02:09] >> Who do we have there right now? Valerie.
[2:02:11] >> I have Valerie Barrett and uh Jordan
[2:02:13] Courtney. Valerie's full-time and then
[2:02:15] Jordan's part-time.
[2:02:16] >> Okay.
[2:02:17] And uh by sick statute we have to have
[2:02:20] hours that were available to the public.
[2:02:22] We're meeting those even with our the
[2:02:24] way that we structure our time. Um so
[2:02:28] >> what is the cost of that request
[2:02:30] roughly?
[2:02:31] >> So the cost of the request for the at
[2:02:34] turning my part-timer into a full-time
[2:02:36] was roughly 26,000 additional
[2:02:38] >> 26. Okay.
[2:02:39] >> And then so part-time person is probably
[2:02:41] a little bit less than that. But that
[2:02:44] was a conversation we had this morning,
[2:02:45] so I didn't have time to put that
[2:02:46] together for you. The other uh unique
[2:02:48] thing about me and my position is I'm
[2:02:50] the only part-time director. So,
[2:02:54] I'm happy to answer questions and come
[2:02:56] to things when I can, but I'm also still
[2:02:59] working full-time and other endeavors.
[2:03:01] So, any other questions?
[2:03:04] >> Thank you, Judge.
[2:03:06] >> Thank you. Thank you.
[2:03:08] >> Can we take a quick break? Yeah. Five
[2:03:11] minutes. [laughter]
[2:03:15] They have a five minute adjournment.
[2:09:03] I will.
[2:09:04] >> You ready, Alicia?
[2:09:08] » Okay, we are back in our special work
[2:09:11] meeting. And do we have another
[2:09:14] Oh, Chief Sager is going to give some
[2:09:17] information.
[2:09:20] >> [snorts]
[2:09:21] [clears throat]
[2:09:24] » up a little bit.
[2:09:27] We reduce this a little bit, but uh some
[2:09:29] of the the cost here, the public, um
[2:09:32] donates a lot of food and and resources
[2:09:35] to the shelter. So, that's why we're
[2:09:36] able to keep that price down. So, that's
[2:09:39] significant. And then, um our officers,
[2:09:43] this is a part-time position. the
[2:09:46] officers take care of the animals when they're not there. And so that's
[2:09:50] kind of a hidden cost as well, what
[2:09:52] they're cleaning the kennels, walking
[2:09:53] them, and doing all the stuff when we
[2:09:56] don't have him. But uh
[2:10:00] and that's pretty slim budget. So
[2:10:04] >> yes, it is
[2:10:05] >> for a to run the run our own animal
[2:10:08] shelter. That's but that that hidden
[2:10:10] cost is within the the police
[2:10:11] department. They usually go out there
[2:10:13] like twice a day or something like
[2:10:15] >> morning, night, clean. Um, and make sure
[2:10:18] to feed them, clean them, walk them.
[2:10:21] Yeah.
[2:10:22] >> How much were you proposing to put in
[2:10:24] the capital project savings fund this
[2:10:27] last week? There was a there was an
[2:10:28] amount. I
[2:10:29] >> think Michael had suggested 2 million.
[2:10:31] >> We need to build a new building because
[2:10:33] right now it's at the sewer treatment
[2:10:34] plant building location.
[2:10:36] >> Yeah.
[2:10:36] >> When we have the new plant in operation
[2:10:38] in two years. So, we need to start
[2:10:41] contemplating how we're going to pay for
[2:10:42] that. Whether it's a bond that we pay
[2:10:44] for that or start saving up now, pay for
[2:10:47] a new building or trying to coordinate
[2:10:49] efforts with the county and twilla to do
[2:10:52] a another joint animal shelter and
[2:10:54] whether that go takes a lot of risk. We
[2:10:57] increase that pay towards that. We're
[2:11:00] still in the very beginning stages of
[2:11:02] that. We just need to be aware that that
[2:11:04] is on the horizon.
[2:11:06] >> That we're probably calling your capital
[2:11:07] projects fund as well. So that could be
[2:11:10] a use of water
[2:11:12] as well
[2:11:14] >> potentially.
[2:11:16] >> I've instructed
[2:11:17] >> and if you put that number in there,
[2:11:19] that's where we'd have to take it from.
[2:11:20] We'd have to we'd have to put something
[2:11:22] up in revenue to cover.
[2:11:24] >> We would want to put it in the capital
[2:11:26] fund one with the 18 million. Otherwise,
[2:11:29] the property tax it would just
[2:11:31] >> Yeah. shoot it through the roof.
[2:11:32] >> Yeah.
[2:11:34] >> Even larger, which we can't do. So yes,
[2:11:38] >> it's the same thing with the fire
[2:11:40] department and a new ladder truck.
[2:11:42] >> Yes.
[2:11:42] >> Correct.
[2:11:46] » And then the same I mean the animal
[2:11:47] control, we could use a full-time
[2:11:48] person, right? And that's that's
[2:11:50] outlined, but where we're at with the
[2:11:53] budget is the the officers are just
[2:11:55] going to have to keep doing what they're
[2:11:56] doing. And then I wanted to make sure on
[2:11:58] the police budget I sent the information
[2:12:00] over. I didn't go into what we needed. I
[2:12:02] thought I'd share that last week just so
[2:12:04] you guys have the information and kind
[2:12:05] of see. So if you have questions on
[2:12:08] that, I would I was hoping to answer
[2:12:09] them here if you but as long as you got
[2:12:11] the information was my concern. But that
[2:12:14] should tie up my budgets. So yeah,
[2:12:17] >> thank you.
[2:12:18] >> Yeah, I think we've gone through most of
[2:12:20] that. I know we could hit now just our
[2:12:22] city hall general government budget
[2:12:24] line. Um but looking through here, I
[2:12:27] think we've heard from everyone else. So
[2:12:32] >> guess the
[2:12:34] >> Oh yeah. Yeah, good point. Okay,
[2:12:37] >> start with that.
[2:12:38] >> Okay, so we do have our community
[2:12:39] relations budget which is basically our
[2:12:43] budget that allows Grantsville City to
[2:12:45] participate in community events. So this
[2:12:47] is where you'll find our Fourth of July
[2:12:49] budget, our donation to things such as
[2:12:51] the Grantville socialable, the CJC. We
[2:12:54] do have a small Grantsville High School
[2:12:56] scholarship, the Bears family
[2:12:58] scholarship. Um, this is where we also
[2:13:01] now have the rodeo.
[2:13:03] Um, you know, we had we did include your
[2:13:07] guys' training. We moved this from the
[2:13:08] general fund city budget to this one
[2:13:11] just because this is mayor council
[2:13:15] more rather than we didn't want it to
[2:13:16] get mixed in with city staff. We just
[2:13:19] wanted to separate it out. So,
[2:13:21] >> and we did reduce the small business
[2:13:23] alliance.
[2:13:24] >> Yeah. So, Michael did renegotiate that.
[2:13:26] So now we are still supporting and
[2:13:28] contributing to this. It's just at a
[2:13:31] lesser a little lower level. We have
[2:13:34] >> unless council wants to keep it as is.
[2:13:36] But
[2:13:36] >> yeah,
[2:13:37] >> talking to them, Tilla and the county
[2:13:41] pay 20,000 each. And I figured that
[2:13:45] because we're proportionately smaller of
[2:13:47] a city, we should definitely have a
[2:13:49] smaller portion of that contribution.
[2:13:53] They'll still be providing services for
[2:13:56] us for our small our small businesses
[2:13:58] and different things like that, but
[2:14:00] we'll be um we'll need to notify them
[2:14:02] this what the amount the council wants
[2:14:04] to reduce to let them know that so they
[2:14:07] can have that in their budget
[2:14:10] or you can reduce it. Nothing. I still
[2:14:13] feel like the value of what they bring
[2:14:15] to our small businesses here is
[2:14:17] important.
[2:14:20] » One thing to note is the employee
[2:14:22] appreciation line. So um this is
[2:14:24] separate from our department employee
[2:14:26] appreciation. So this is what funds the
[2:14:28] annual um Christmas party for
[2:14:33] the city employees for the city staff
[2:14:35] the little lunchon that we did last year
[2:14:37] along with like the city like the
[2:14:39] voucher to go to Soulberg or Macy's or
[2:14:41] CAM or whatever. And then there's also a
[2:14:45] buffer in there for employee
[2:14:47] appreciation lunches should that take
[2:14:50] event. And then also an option maybe
[2:14:52] potentially for a small summer event,
[2:14:54] but majority of that is the Christmas
[2:14:57] party.
[2:14:58] >> It does take up a substantial
[2:15:01] amount.
[2:15:02] >> I'm not seeing any what we donated to
[2:15:05] the stock show. We bought as a we bought
[2:15:08] a pig and a sheep from a Grantsville
[2:15:10] youth group. So that's included in
[2:15:12] community relations. So you'll see over
[2:15:14] here that community relations
[2:15:17] there may Yeah. So that that's what that
[2:15:22] budget is used for. So that's what's
[2:15:24] justifying the 10,000 and then it had a
[2:15:27] 3% increase that made a 103, but that's
[2:15:29] what it's spent on is those items.
[2:15:34] » I have a question on employee tuition
[2:15:36] reimbursement. is that if everybody
[2:15:37] suddenly decides go to school, do we
[2:15:39] have to pay? Can we
[2:15:40] >> first come first serve
[2:15:41] >> first? And then that's it. That's your
[2:15:42] budget. You're done.
[2:15:43] >> Yeah.
[2:15:46] » Um and then will you have eliminated on
[2:15:48] the rodeo? But is it is the 25,000 in
[2:15:51] the budget or not?
[2:15:52] >> So that has changed since this morning
[2:15:54] to this afternoon to this morning. It's
[2:15:57] gone back and forth a lot. So um that we
[2:16:01] would appreciate council's advice on.
[2:16:04] Um, I do think based on the interest
[2:16:07] that we've gauged, it would be nice to
[2:16:09] assume that every year we're going to
[2:16:11] have sponsors to cover the cost of the
[2:16:12] rodeo. Um,
[2:16:16] but I similar to with grants, I do think
[2:16:18] that it I have a hard time planning an
[2:16:21] event knowing that we don't have budget
[2:16:23] in there. And so it would eventually
[2:16:26] potentially hopefully be a wash. Um, but
[2:16:28] it's hard to know what the continued
[2:16:30] support will be for the event in future
[2:16:32] years where this year it has gotten a
[2:16:34] huge support. Um, you know, we're
[2:16:36] bringing it back. It's our first year
[2:16:37] back. Um, and Shelby has done amazing to
[2:16:40] get the sponsors for that. Um,
[2:16:42] >> so to be sure this the rodeo for this
[2:16:45] 25,000 would cover a stock contract and
[2:16:47] a clown
[2:16:49] >> um, and then that's it. So, of course,
[2:16:51] we would like to get sponsors and reduce
[2:16:54] that cost down, but then we also have
[2:16:56] other costs, you know, that are incurred
[2:16:58] with that. You know, we have portable
[2:17:00] restrooms that are being brought in to
[2:17:02] [clears throat] meet the requirements
[2:17:03] for the mass gathering. We have to get
[2:17:05] permits, mass gathering permits and um
[2:17:08] special event permits. Um we also have
[2:17:10] to pay to have
[2:17:12] um like EMTs there.
[2:17:15] >> Yeah.
[2:17:15] >> Just different things that end up
[2:17:17] coming. That is a cost
[2:17:18] >> for the police. Yeah. So the 25,000, you
[2:17:21] know, and parks, facilities,
[2:17:23] maintenance,
[2:17:23] >> a lot of those are not.
[2:17:25] >> Yeah. So the 25,000 is just the stock
[2:17:27] contractor at the time.
[2:17:29] >> So where's the revenue anticipated
[2:17:33] to to get from that event from ticket
[2:17:35] sales and from donations in the in the
[2:17:38] lineup above?
[2:17:39] >> So where's where's that where where's
[2:17:42] that even out?
[2:17:43] >> Yeah. So
[2:17:43] >> So it's not just a negative, right?
[2:17:47] Were
[2:17:50] you taking that into into account?
[2:17:55] » So right now it does not I Oh, right
[2:17:58] here.
[2:18:03] So it's budgeted for revenue at 35,000.
[2:18:07] So and it's
[2:18:10] I hope that that's all we get. That
[2:18:13] would that is an estimate. And it's
[2:18:14] really hard because we don't we haven't
[2:18:16] even finished this year yet and we don't
[2:18:17] have the previous year's data to go off
[2:18:19] of. But I do have 35,000 budgeted there.
[2:18:24] >> So according to this, it pays for itself
[2:18:26] according to what you have on paper.
[2:18:28] >> Yeah. And plus 10
[2:18:29] >> plus $10,000.
[2:18:30] >> Yeah.
[2:18:30] >> But this year, do we have the stock
[2:18:32] contract in the in the closing?
[2:18:34] >> No, we do.
[2:18:34] >> Yeah.
[2:18:35] And the plan
[2:18:38] >> and the donations.
[2:18:39] Yeah. It's fully
[2:18:40] funded this year.
[2:18:42] >> With extra. So
[2:18:44] >> to help repair the
[2:18:45] >> the stuff.
[2:18:48] >> Yeah.
[2:18:48] There's been a lot of
[2:18:49] improvements.
[2:18:50] >> Lots of improvements.
[2:18:51] >> Community support.
[2:18:52] >> Lots of donations. Yeah. It's been
[2:18:54] incredible.
[2:18:55] >> Yeah.
[2:18:57] >> Lots of volunteering.
[2:19:00] >> It's been
[2:19:01] >> They're out there tonight picking up
[2:19:02] frogs.
[2:19:03] >> They were there Saturday. [laughter]
[2:19:04] They were there Saturday.
[2:19:07] [clears throat]
[2:19:15] Oh yeah. Did you guys have any more
[2:19:17] questions about this one? I guess before
[2:19:19] we move on.
[2:19:46] So, and then our last one is
[2:19:53] » Tyson is online.
[2:19:56] We did adjust the location of where we
[2:19:59] put up, please.
[2:20:02] >> Yeah. So, we can talk about this. This
[2:20:03] goes in hand in hand with our
[2:20:06] um so I'll talk and then we can see if
[2:20:08] Tyson wants to say something, but we had
[2:20:11] this legal services line
[2:20:13] previously in the city hall budget. Um
[2:20:17] then last year, so fiscal year 26 was
[2:20:21] the first year that legal had its own
[2:20:24] department budget. So previously it was
[2:20:26] all in here. So last year they didn't
[2:20:29] budget for anything in legal services in
[2:20:31] the city hall. However, we have spent
[2:20:34] out of it. Um and so for next year we
[2:20:38] did put in a small amount for our
[2:20:40] recorder to use for a water attorney for
[2:20:44] water credit, water shares, water
[2:20:46] rights. I'm not the water person, so I'm
[2:20:49] probably say whatever she uses in her
[2:20:51] water. [laughter]
[2:20:52] Um, and then we did do [snorts] in legal
[2:20:56] services in our legal department's
[2:20:59] budget, we did increase that to
[2:21:03] cover basically we have high legal
[2:21:06] expenses, a lot of litigations that are
[2:21:08] ongoing right now. Um, as Tyson
[2:21:11] mentioned in our meeting this morning,
[2:21:13] you know, kind of depending on how these
[2:21:15] litigations start to fall, like we could
[2:21:17] be done with some of them soon and that
[2:21:19] would no longer be an expense. It's just
[2:21:22] hard to know kind of how they're going.
[2:21:24] So,
[2:21:27] but for transparency, I want to budget
[2:21:29] an appropriate amount rather than
[2:21:31] underbudgeting and continuously going
[2:21:33] over budget. So that's the number we
[2:21:36] fell on felt like was appropriate to
[2:21:39] account for the city hall as well as
[2:21:42] legal services within the legal
[2:21:43] department. Um this amount might seem
[2:21:46] low for their salaries and wages but
[2:21:48] again the legal staff is split out
[2:21:51] across various department budgets
[2:21:53] because they assist
[2:21:55] >> everybody
[2:21:56] >> everyone. Um and then of course their
[2:21:58] benefits office. So back to that,
[2:22:01] >> sorry.
[2:22:02] >> So I thought that that that was in
[2:22:04] [clears throat] those other budget line
[2:22:06] items. Um so in addition to what what we
[2:22:12] have here, you have other monies set
[2:22:14] aside in in different departments for
[2:22:17] the legal department to assist them.
[2:22:19] Like for instance, Bill's department,
[2:22:21] which he assists quite often with with
[2:22:24] his
[2:22:25] >> So they don't pay. So just in the salary
[2:22:28] line. So basically Kaisen
[2:22:30] proportionately split out into like
[2:22:32] building and community development,
[2:22:34] water, sewer, garbage
[2:22:35] >> in addition to this line item right
[2:22:37] here.
[2:22:37] >> Yes.
[2:22:38] >> How many people do we have in it? Just
[2:22:40] >> um it's three. So we have Tyson and then
[2:22:42] two staff.
[2:22:44] >> Okay.
[2:22:46] [cough]
[2:22:46] [clears throat]
[2:22:47] >> Um their office supply did go down, you
[2:22:50] know, just reducing their accuracy.
[2:22:52] Their computer software went down. Um
[2:22:56] art supplies went down. We got rid of
[2:22:58] their CDs why um we mentioned legal
[2:23:02] services
[2:23:03] um internet did go up 3% it's you know
[2:23:07] average they're paying for mobile 56
[2:23:10] employee appreciation is their three
[2:23:11] employees and then we did adjust that
[2:23:14] down for accuracy and then
[2:23:32] So the big item is lily line 165 legal
[2:23:35] services and moving that from up above
[2:23:38] to there and you guys fell on that 185
[2:23:41] number.
[2:23:42] >> Do you do you feel like that that number
[2:23:44] could could be any less?
[2:23:47] >> I mean it definitely could be more. I
[2:23:49] mean I I get it. I understand. But
[2:23:51] >> I think depending on the current
[2:23:52] litigations and the possibility of going
[2:23:54] to appeal, I don't think so.
[2:24:00] » That's a great question. Council member
[2:24:02] Butler, this is Tyson online. Can you
[2:24:05] hear me now?
[2:24:06] >> Yeah.
[2:24:08] >> Terrific. Um, so we when looking at
[2:24:11] these uh legal services, those that that
[2:24:13] is sort of a number that's that's hard
[2:24:15] to target. Um, you know, I I I mentioned
[2:24:19] this morning, well, we don't know if
[2:24:21] that number should be 300,000 or if it
[2:24:24] should be 150,000. Um, we're obviously
[2:24:28] trying to shoot for the lowest amount
[2:24:30] possible on that. And part of what we do
[2:24:34] is in in in the legal department is we
[2:24:37] uh, you know, not only respond to
[2:24:39] problems after they happen, but what we
[2:24:41] try to do is reduce the amount of legal
[2:24:43] resources that we expend on. um
[2:24:47] liability on on on behalf of the city.
[2:24:50] We we try to um advise the different
[2:24:54] departments on ways that we can reduce
[2:24:55] risk. Um and that that's a hard number
[2:24:58] to quantify as to how much we've uh
[2:25:02] avoided by by uh spending the the the
[2:25:05] legal resources where we have. Um but
[2:25:08] with the the the legal services, there's always going to be some need for
[2:25:11] it. Um the uh practice of municipal law
[2:25:16] is is quite varied and so there there is
[2:25:18] always going to be a need for bond
[2:25:20] specialists, for water specialists, um
[2:25:24] land use specialists from time to time,
[2:25:26] litigators, um but um with that um
[2:25:33] that that number will likely come down.
[2:25:35] I' I've been looking around at some
[2:25:36] cities of similar size. Um, Heber City,
[2:25:40] for example, in 2025,
[2:25:42] they had budgeted about $150,000 for
[2:25:45] their uh legal services budget out of
[2:25:48] their legal department. And uh this year
[2:25:51] they they've budgeted much much much
[2:25:53] less than that. And so their their
[2:25:54] budget has gone quite down quite a bit.
[2:25:57] I would imagine it's because they had
[2:25:59] some major litigation that had been
[2:26:00] resolved. So to the extent we're able to
[2:26:03] resolve some some of the litigation that
[2:26:05] we're going through and not replace it
[2:26:07] with new litigation um you know that that number will go down. Um
[2:26:14] beyond that um to to sort of echo what
[2:26:17] Judge Tobam has has mentioned we've noticed an increase year to date
[2:26:22] from last year in in prosecution cases.
[2:26:25] So, we're up 69%
[2:26:27] over last year in in cases that we're
[2:26:30] prosecuting. Um, that's that's pretty
[2:26:33] significant. That means that about half
[2:26:35] of our resources are going towards
[2:26:37] prosecution. While I only spend about
[2:26:40] one day in court doing prosecution work,
[2:26:43] um, our our our staff and and myself, we daily handle handle these cases. So,
[2:26:48] we're screening them every day. where uh
[2:26:50] we're uh corresponding with with defense
[2:26:53] council and working with victims and uh
[2:26:56] it's it's it's quite task heavy um just
[2:27:00] on the prosecution side and with a with
[2:27:03] a growing city there's uh um quite a bit
[2:27:07] of additional load on on on the civil
[2:27:10] side too. Um so we're we're trying to
[2:27:13] reduce risk as as the city grows.
[2:27:20] Thank you, Tyson.
[2:27:24] » Suggestion on that line, council.
[2:27:29] » We're just lary of doing it too low
[2:27:31] right now where we have all the
[2:27:32] different litigations. I think we're
[2:27:34] three
[2:27:36] different litigations, possibly four. D
[2:27:38] have to give me the exact number, but
[2:27:42] it is substantial more so than we
[2:27:44] actually really want right now.
[2:27:47] Yeah,
[2:27:50] » I apologize. I'm trying to pull up our
[2:27:52] actuals as of currently, but my I'm
[2:27:54] having a hard time getting Excel back
[2:27:56] up, but I could,
[2:27:58] assuming I get there, can give you a
[2:28:00] current spending on legal services as of
[2:28:03] today.
[2:28:04] >> It would be nice to know because I mean,
[2:28:07] I think that that number could go down a
[2:28:09] little bit. So if it's going to move the
[2:28:12] needle that much, but
[2:28:14] >> I'll keep trying here.
[2:28:24] Unless there was any other questions on
[2:28:26] that budget.
[2:28:32] [clears throat]
[2:28:39] » This is the catch all.
[2:28:42] Yeah. So, this is a city hall budget. It
[2:28:44] includes HR, city manager, finance, city
[2:28:48] reporter. Um
[2:28:52] » that's finances, but yeah. Um
[2:28:57] and basically just this building aside
[2:29:00] from the legal
[2:29:05] um and then this one, just to note, it
[2:29:07] does include this line item does include
[2:29:09] that additional 30,000 for the
[2:29:11] compensation study that's being asked
[2:29:13] for.
[2:29:14] Um but if that is taken out then that
[2:29:17] line item is budgeted at 17,500
[2:29:20] >> and that's what Heidi's asking for.
[2:29:22] >> Yes sir.
[2:29:24] >> Y so and that is included
[2:29:26] [clears throat] in the property tax
[2:29:27] impact statement in the property tax
[2:29:30] rate increase. So that line item is
[2:29:34] yeah just for but
[2:29:49] Nothing in here is for city hall
[2:29:51] remodel, right?
[2:29:53] >> We took they didn't do it.
[2:30:10] Sorry.
[2:30:13] » Um, we could probably argue that
[2:30:32] computer support services. I mean
[2:30:35] 43,000
[2:30:37] budgeted in 26 and 9,500 budgeted in 27.
[2:30:42] I I I like the thought there, but where
[2:30:44] are we accounting for it elsewhere?
[2:30:47] So some of this so computer support
[2:30:49] services we only have one computer
[2:30:52] support staff through Legion technology
[2:30:54] that's Dean Y
[2:30:55] >> but there are other items that were
[2:30:57] coming out of here and they shouldn't
[2:30:59] happen. So they've got moved to computer
[2:31:00] software which is a more appropriate
[2:31:03] profile for them because we do want
[2:31:04] computer support services across the
[2:31:06] board to only reflect Legion technology.
[2:31:09] So they did get moved out into
[2:31:12] um computer software. So you will note
[2:31:14] that computer software budget did go up
[2:31:16] which is this slide.
[2:31:18] >> So um I did note that some of the
[2:31:23] things that we do use um Google is the
[2:31:26] large one um and then we use pay for our
[2:31:29] payroll. Castell is our ERP
[2:31:31] uh it's supposed to be I apologize
[2:31:34] that's a typo. Reverb is for invoices.
[2:31:36] Reise docuign Adobe you know the list
[2:31:40] can go on but that's just some example
[2:31:41] of some high
[2:31:44] you know, cost software that we do have.
[2:32:02] » Is it the vehicle stipen that says two
[2:32:04] employees receive 43301?
[2:32:06] >> Yes. So, that one did go up. So, you can
[2:32:09] notice it looks like it doubled. um it
[2:32:12] wasn't budgeted for properly in fiscal
[2:32:14] year 26 and then I found that it wasn't
[2:32:17] pulling out pay correctly either which
[2:32:19] is why it looks like they hadn't spent
[2:32:20] any of it. Um I have since fixed that
[2:32:23] with HR so that's been addressed
[2:32:25] corrected. So it does come out of this
[2:32:27] line rather than salaries and wages
[2:32:28] where it was coming from before. But
[2:32:30] there are two employees that receive a
[2:32:32] vehicle assignment as the negotiation
[2:32:34] contract and it they get that at 43313
[2:32:38] and so to cover that the budget needs to
[2:32:40] be 10,000 for that.
[2:32:47] » Yes.
[2:32:55] So I noticed that there's employee
[2:32:57] appreciation for all the departments but
[2:33:01] then [clears throat] in the community
[2:33:02] relations we have like the Christmas
[2:33:04] party and things like that. So
[2:33:08] >> kind of tell me how that is.
[2:33:10] >> So that's what the discretion of the
[2:33:11] department head but it's just budget for
[2:33:13] them to be able to like show rather than
[2:33:16] just the once a year city appreciation.
[2:33:19] It allows it to be more specific to
[2:33:21] departments. So, some departments may
[2:33:23] opt to do like their own personal event
[2:33:26] such as like a bowling party. Others may
[2:33:30] want lunches throughout the summer. So,
[2:33:32] they that's what the department head
[2:33:33] uses that budget on to help keep their
[2:33:36] staff, you know, motivated, morale, that
[2:33:38] kind of thing. Outside of the
[2:33:40] >> anniversaries they have employed,
[2:33:43] >> it gives them that budget. they al you
[2:33:45] know they could buy bereavement flowers
[2:33:47] or what that it just kind of gives the
[2:33:50] department head some wiggle room to show
[2:33:53] their budget. That is one thing that we
[2:33:55] did standardize though at just the 150
[2:33:57] an employee.
[2:33:58] >> Um
[2:34:00] >> but
[2:34:03] obviously it's not like
[2:34:05] necessarily how that works out because
[2:34:07] you expect to buy lunches and everything
[2:34:09] like that. The whole staff eats
[2:34:25] you been able to pull up the legal
[2:34:27] services?
[2:34:28] >> No, I was actually going to just say I'm
[2:34:29] going to step out and see if my computer
[2:34:31] because it keeps saying that it can't
[2:34:32] connect to my desktop over there. So,
[2:34:34] I'm just going to go make sure that
[2:34:35] that's
[2:34:36] still on because it was work. You know,
[2:34:38] you saw I had it up earlier. So, I'm
[2:34:40] just going to step out and do that one
[2:34:41] fast. But Michael can always ask you
[2:34:43] questions.
[2:34:44] >> Well, you guys, [clears throat] while
[2:34:45] she does that, are you guys okay if I
[2:34:47] give you a little bit of information?
[2:34:49] >> Yeah, absolutely.
[2:34:52] >> So, as these guys are talking about
[2:34:53] their staffing, I think it's important
[2:34:55] to mention that our city runs very lean.
[2:34:59] Um, and I see that straight across the
[2:35:00] board. You know, Tyson's talking about
[2:35:02] his legal going up 69%.
[2:35:05] They're talking about triple cases over
[2:35:07] in the courts. and we're running in risk
[2:35:10] of our employees turn, you know,
[2:35:13] increased turnover, decreased morale,
[2:35:16] increased liability when we run this
[2:35:18] lean with our staff. So, I think it's
[2:35:21] really important that you guys hear
[2:35:22] those things. Same with our volunteer
[2:35:26] firefighter firefighters.
[2:35:29] They're struggling getting people to
[2:35:31] volunteer. People are working, you know,
[2:35:33] full-time jobs, two jobs. And so often
[2:35:36] during the day when our chief is hearing
[2:35:39] people call in for fires, he's thinking,
[2:35:41] "Come on, who's going to pick that up?"
[2:35:44] Because we don't have enough
[2:35:45] firefighters. Our volunteer um they do a
[2:35:49] lot of things like Fourth of July. Those
[2:35:51] often are 16-our days for them and it's
[2:35:54] all volunteer. So we [clears throat]
[2:35:56] need to be thinking about as our city
[2:35:58] grows, what are we going to be doing?
[2:36:00] Our FTEEs have to grow. Right now, we're
[2:36:03] at 83.5,
[2:36:05] which we talked um about our 99
[2:36:07] employees, right? 73 full-time, 26
[2:36:10] part-time. And as you guys look at,
[2:36:15] are you going to do an increase? Are you
[2:36:17] not going to do an increase? Um I wanted
[2:36:19] to give you some information about some
[2:36:21] other cities that we've pulled. So,
[2:36:23] there's been 67 total response on what
[2:36:26] other cities are doing for their
[2:36:28] employees. And the average on the cola
[2:36:30] is 2.41%. 41%
[2:36:32] and the merit is 2.81%.
[2:36:37] Some cities are going as high as 6.70
[2:36:40] because they've done compensation
[2:36:42] studies and have determined, hey, our employees are really low. Um,
[2:36:47] there's also cities going as high as 7%
[2:36:50] in their merit. So, I'll give you guys
[2:36:52] all this information so you have this,
[2:36:55] but I think it's important that we invest in our staff, right? If we
[2:37:01] lose some of our long-term employees, it
[2:37:04] costs $100,000 to get another employee
[2:37:07] in here and trained up to what a
[2:37:11] 30-year-old or an employee that's been
[2:37:13] with the city for 30 years, their
[2:37:15] knowledge is just gone. So, when we
[2:37:18] talked about what we do for our our
[2:37:21] employees, I think it's important that
[2:37:22] we think of those things. I know you
[2:37:25] guys have a really hard job um and a lot
[2:37:28] of decisions to make, but our staff
[2:37:30] deserve kind of little plug. So, they
[2:37:34] work really hard for what we do.
[2:37:37] >> Thank you. You're welcome.
[2:37:52] The camera is
[2:38:09] we have our debt services on behalf.
[2:38:12] expend that we have to pay for
[2:38:15] we have the continuation of park that
[2:38:18] will carry over to the next year for
[2:38:21] scenic slopes
[2:38:22] the two main ones that are consolidated
[2:38:26] most of the projects so then that's
[2:38:28] where county
[2:38:32] that we have a talk to
[2:38:37] develop on that they're post date
[2:38:40] they're going to give us is the end of
[2:38:42] the two weeks.
[2:38:46] » Checks in the mail though, huh?
[2:38:49] >> Not received yet.
[2:39:06] » So that covers pretty much the entire
[2:39:08] budget that we have for the general.
[2:39:12] There any other spots you want to go
[2:39:13] back and revisit?
[2:39:19] » I've been a lot of questions, but
[2:39:21] they're at a higher like level, so I I
[2:39:24] don't have any more line item questions.
[2:39:27] Um, and I'm sorry, but so the total
[2:39:29] spend on legal services so far this year
[2:39:31] is 129,35
[2:39:40] and that's as of today. So, you know,
[2:39:43] second week of May. So, we still have
[2:39:46] >> Can we move that number to 150 grand?
[2:39:48] Just
[2:39:49] I I
[2:39:51] mean 30 what? $35,000.
[2:39:55] >> I think that's more realistic.
[2:40:01] I made some notes in regards to the
[2:40:04] cemetery. So the there there's the the
[2:40:06] widening of the roads that 100 grand
[2:40:09] that we didn't spend that we allocated
[2:40:11] last year. we didn't spend. Is there I
[2:40:14] mean, could there could the approach be
[2:40:17] well maybe we might not be able to do
[2:40:19] all that 100 grand this year and we
[2:40:21] budget 50 grand of that and designate
[2:40:24] that amount. You kind of see where we're
[2:40:27] at. I mean, is that
[2:40:28] >> will that not have to rewiden the roads
[2:40:30] and keep it as it is right now? I I ran
[2:40:33] into a roadblock yesterday and I
[2:40:36] couldn't get past and so I just reversed
[2:40:38] down the street and could fifth route.
[2:40:42] And one thing to consider with that one
[2:40:44] specifically since it is such a large
[2:40:45] amount that's unspent in this year,
[2:40:49] we could say that that one is coming
[2:40:51] from rather we could take it out from a
[2:40:53] property tax increase perspective and
[2:40:55] account for it from fund balance because
[2:40:57] ultimately it would because it's unspent
[2:40:59] expenditure at the end of when we close
[2:41:02] out fiscal year 26, it would go into
[2:41:04] fund balance which we could then say
[2:41:06] we're pulling it back to roll forward
[2:41:08] into.
[2:41:09] >> Well, let's do that. Okay.
[2:41:11] >> Is that okay? You okay with that?
[2:41:15] >> Okay. And then so I'll do that
[2:41:17] [clears throat] and
[2:41:20] » I did reduce to legal. So I changed
[2:41:22] legal just so everyone sees. Sorry I did
[2:41:24] it while we were talking. So we reduced
[2:41:26] it to 150 for that. And then this one
[2:41:31] for cemetery.
[2:41:32] >> Cemetery
[2:41:35] >> maybe. Here we go. Okay. So I'll put it
[2:41:38] over Okay. It was like 90
[2:41:42] something.
[2:41:44] >> Yep. $90,000.
[2:41:45] >> Um, but really it'll come across. It
[2:41:48] shouldn't be considered in a property
[2:41:50] tax increase. So, I'll put it on here as
[2:41:52] nothing, but we'll note that really it
[2:41:55] will be budget.
[2:41:57] >> Yeah. But it'll be a rollover. So, there
[2:41:59] will be some of that use from the fund
[2:42:01] balance over for that one.
[2:42:02] >> So, you'll see it in the budget, but you
[2:42:04] won't it won't be a part of the
[2:42:06] assessment right now.
[2:42:07] >> Yeah. It won't be considered in what's
[2:42:08] needed to get from property taxes. Does
[2:42:11] that sound good?
[2:42:12] >> We all on the same page with that one.
[2:42:14] >> Yeah. I mean, yeah.
[2:42:15] >> What other areas can we do that in?
[2:42:17] Anyone else see any other spots?
[2:42:19] >> No. That was a good idea.
[2:42:22] >> Yeah.
[2:42:23] >> And with that one, it's like a
[2:42:24] substantial amount.
[2:42:26] >> In general, I'm going to try to save as
[2:42:27] much money as I can and try to roll
[2:42:31] >> ineneral its own thing.
[2:42:33] >> Not buy anything else. What's there is
[2:42:35] there? I'm going to try to just
[2:42:36] >> Yeah, but it just
[2:42:37] >> any
[2:42:38] [clears throat] emergency need I got to
[2:42:40] do. But
[2:42:40] >> otherwise, we're all kind of
[2:42:42] >> Yeah, it's like I'm trying to freeze
[2:42:43] everything just to try to help with
[2:42:45] this.
[2:42:46] >> I'm not Yeah, in general I think we're
[2:42:47] all going to get
[2:42:49] >> Yeah. But kind of that same thing
[2:42:55] by doing this. It doesn't mean that we
[2:42:58] can't widen those roads, right?
[2:43:00] >> No, it will still
[2:43:01] >> It'll still happen. Roll it over. Yeah,
[2:43:04] we're just using the budget that was
[2:43:05] budgeted for for this year that wasn't
[2:43:07] used next year.
[2:43:09] >> How much of the budget last year falls
[2:43:12] into that excess? I mean, if you were to
[2:43:16] throw a a dart at the board, obviously
[2:43:18] we had had some that was some overruns,
[2:43:22] but but did we come in under? Are you pretty confident, Michael and
[2:43:28] Alexis, I mean I'm sorry,
[2:43:31] >> that we could that we could hit that
[2:43:33] number?
[2:43:34] >> No.
[2:43:36] >> Um, mostly
[2:43:36] >> we can have an overrun.
[2:43:38] >> Mostly because when I look here for
[2:43:41] the budgeted amount and what's actually
[2:43:43] been spent as of February is, you know,
[2:43:48] so sorry that's not 16, that's six. Yes.
[2:43:51] So we will have a substantial amount
[2:43:53] that still rolls in um to budget balance
[2:43:56] like I mentioned at the beginning of the
[2:43:57] meeting. However,
[2:43:59] >> but there's
[2:44:01] >> Sorry, go ahead.
[2:44:01] >> I was going to say there's been less
[2:44:03] revenue in the the growth side. So that
[2:44:06] might offset that a little bit that we
[2:44:07] must got to take be aware of
[2:44:09] >> because we were planning on a 5%
[2:44:11] increase in growth and we only had 2.9.
[2:44:14] Is that why? Let's Yeah, I'll grab some
[2:44:16] I'll snip some so we can try to get some
[2:44:20] here because
[2:44:33] Okay, so for our [clears throat]
[2:44:34] revenues for fiscal year 26, they were
[2:44:36] estimated at 13.6.
[2:44:38] As of February, we had collected 8
[2:44:43] 02. Um, and then
[2:44:48] like the opposite side of that, the
[2:44:50] expenditures were expected at were
[2:44:53] budgeted at 16 million 360. I'll
[2:44:55] actually type them in there so you guys
[2:44:56] can see rather than just having my
[2:44:58] screenshot.
[2:45:10] Okay. So that's this is obviously the
[2:45:12] revenue and then this is just the
[2:45:13] expenditure from below that's hold up
[2:45:15] and this is as of
[2:45:20] this one I mean yeah
[2:45:23] um so and as I mentioned before we're
[2:45:25] not going to have 100% spending and
[2:45:27] we're not going to have 100% revenue
[2:45:29] collection either. So, will there be
[2:45:32] some that goes back into general fund?
[2:45:34] Yes. And like I had mentioned before,
[2:45:36] that 2.4 million is likely to go up
[2:45:38] because we're not going to have 100%
[2:45:40] expense.
[2:45:41] What's hard though is we need
[2:45:43] [clears throat] our budget to balance.
[2:45:44] And so, if we're approving projects and
[2:45:47] different line items to be included in
[2:45:49] this year's budget, we have to have the
[2:45:50] revenue to account for that as well. And
[2:45:53] so,
[2:45:54] yes, it there will be some that we can
[2:45:56] roll over. With the cemetery, it's a
[2:45:58] little more straightforward because it
[2:45:59] is such a large amount. It does make a
[2:46:01] difference. The other ones, it would be
[2:46:04] minimally less, you know, potentially
[2:46:09] for that. So, like I mean using for some
[2:46:12] of the budgets, their actuals are over
[2:46:15] spending, you know, but overall in their
[2:46:16] budget they're looking okay.
[2:46:19] >> So,
[2:46:21] yeah. And you guys can see that each
[2:46:22] month in the monthly financials. It does
[2:46:24] give you an overview at the very bottom
[2:46:26] of like where they're at with their
[2:46:28] actual um expenditures within their
[2:46:31] budget as of
[2:46:34] >> that. Yeah,
[2:46:41] I know we're talking about decreasing
[2:46:43] stuff here where we could cut numbers,
[2:46:45] but I'm also concerned about the morale
[2:46:46] and just every department that's got up
[2:46:48] is like, "Hey, we're scrumping. We're
[2:46:50] getting by." like we're going to lose
[2:46:52] valuable employees if we and and I I
[2:46:55] mean I'm every department has done a
[2:46:56] great job of trying to like cut down but
[2:46:58] I think if we're like we need to see
[2:47:00] what they actually need versus like
[2:47:02] wants and I'm not I'm not nothing on
[2:47:04] here but I assume it's been like
[2:47:05] frivolous I mean no surprise my concern
[2:47:08] is public safety that's a need to me
[2:47:10] that's not a want like if we've got
[2:47:12] people running thin you know fire and
[2:47:15] the fire even like the jaws of life we
[2:47:17] should try and get one of those you know
[2:47:19] I mean I think that at least one
[2:47:21] officer. Again, no surprise. I I see
[2:47:24] what it is. I see how lean they're
[2:47:26] running all the time. And I'm sure every
[2:47:28] department is. It's not just the police
[2:47:29] department. But, you know, if if the
[2:47:32] police are, you know, like fire trying
[2:47:34] to get someone to a fire, how how would
[2:47:36] you like to call and be like, "Sorry,
[2:47:37] nobody come to my house for an hour on a
[2:47:39] domestic violence." Like, that's not an
[2:47:41] option. Or I've got only one officer
[2:47:43] coming and nobody to back them up. Like,
[2:47:45] that's that's just not okay in my mind.
[2:47:48] So, like, you know, they also like if
[2:47:50] somebody's out, somebody's got to cover
[2:47:51] for them. It's not like you say, "Oh,
[2:47:53] hey, I I'm sick today. I'll just be in
[2:47:55] tomorrow and I'll finish my work."
[2:47:56] They're constantly, you know, and they
[2:47:58] also have I mean, every department does.
[2:48:00] I'm not saying this is just to public
[2:48:01] safety, but I do think that public
[2:48:03] safety is a concern, you know. I mean,
[2:48:06] it's Yeah, we didn't have the growth,
[2:48:08] but we're also we've also lost officers.
[2:48:10] We we've got volunteer firefighters that
[2:48:13] are we're hoping to get. So, how do we
[2:48:15] keep them? How do we, you know, just in
[2:48:17] general too, like the compensation
[2:48:18] study, I'm a little bit worried about. I
[2:48:20] think it's good that we have it, but I'm
[2:48:21] afraid that it's going to come back and
[2:48:22] show that we're paying quite a bit less
[2:48:25] and how do we how do we
[2:48:27] >> that's the catch 22 about spending that
[2:48:29] 30 grand,
[2:48:30] >> right? That well, in my mind, I see it
[2:48:32] one of two ways. We get it back and it
[2:48:33] says you're paying too little and then
[2:48:34] we say, "Okay, now we have to try and
[2:48:36] keep these employees." I think most
[2:48:37] people know what they're getting paid
[2:48:39] relatively to other people when they come here. But I also think
[2:48:42] that, you know, they're going to say,
[2:48:43] "Hey, well, we deserve more." And they
[2:48:44] do. I mean, you know, but then where are
[2:48:46] we find fitting that in the budget or it
[2:48:47] says you're overpaid, which is not going
[2:48:49] to happen, but if it did, they would be
[2:48:50] like, we can't reduce it, you know. So,
[2:48:52] I'm a little bit worried about the
[2:48:54] compensation study just because I from
[2:48:56] what I've seen, I think Grantsville is
[2:48:58] lower than what I've seen from other
[2:49:00] places. But, and we need those good
[2:49:01] employees. That's the problem,
[2:49:02] especially as we bring in more
[2:49:03] commercial. We've got to have employees
[2:49:05] to fill those to fill those positions
[2:49:09] within the city.
[2:49:10] That's and I'm so the other question I
[2:49:12] have is the $18 million we're getting
[2:49:14] from the water credits. Can that be used
[2:49:15] as revenue somewhere like in our budget?
[2:49:17] We can say this revenue I right now
[2:49:18] we're putting in capital projects funds
[2:49:20] but can we use it as just revenue?
[2:49:22] >> Yeah. So we could move however much of
[2:49:24] it into the general fund as you see
[2:49:27] appropriate. My caution there would be I
[2:49:32] think it is unwise to use one-time money
[2:49:34] to fund ongoing expenses and my fear
[2:49:36] would be we would continue operating at
[2:49:38] [clears throat] a budget that we can't
[2:49:40] afford
[2:49:41] >> and further the gap in the future and
[2:49:43] then depending on what happens at
[2:49:45] legislature or other
[2:49:48] events you know like a pandemic or
[2:49:51] things that happen may limit our want or
[2:49:53] desire to increase a rate at that point.
[2:49:56] like there's always a reason not to. And
[2:49:58] so my fear of using onetime money to
[2:50:00] cover ongoing expenses is kicking the
[2:50:02] can down the road and furthering the gap
[2:50:05] in the future that we're not.
[2:50:07] >> It seems like what we've kind of been
[2:50:08] doing like you know but I also have an
[2:50:11] issue with being like we're going to
[2:50:12] increase 84% and then we've got 18
[2:50:14] million, you know. So it kind of looks
[2:50:16] like hey we've got this 18 I'm not I
[2:50:18] agree like we can't say oh hey don't
[2:50:19] worry we have this 18 million everybody
[2:50:21] gets what they want. I get that. Yeah.
[2:50:22] But I'm also like, hey, we're going to
[2:50:24] increase 84% for the property tax for
[2:50:26] the homeowners while we have this 18
[2:50:28] million. I mean,
[2:50:31] >> we got to strike a balance.
[2:50:32] >> Yeah, that's what I'm like. Maybe we
[2:50:33] have some kind of compromise where we
[2:50:34] can say, okay, these things are we have
[2:50:36] to have these things and so we don't do
[2:50:38] the 84%. Maybe we go to I don't know
[2:50:40] what the magic number would be, but we
[2:50:42] reduce it to 50 60%.
[2:50:45] Um, and use a little bit of that money
[2:50:47] to kind of cover cover us. Um, I don't
[2:50:51] know. That was that's just what I'm
[2:50:52] thinking. I just think going to be hard
[2:50:54] for the citizens to say they're I think
[2:50:57] they're going to feel like they're um
[2:51:00] they're providing all of this
[2:51:01] >> based on the reduction of the million
[2:51:04] that we've already done so far. I think
[2:51:06] as trying to get
[2:51:07] >> Yeah. So um I would need to verify but
[2:51:10] just ref numbers right now to make up to
[2:51:13] get up here. You see that 1.2 if need to
[2:51:16] make up. So that would reduce an
[2:51:18] increase to 60%.
[2:51:20] >> Yeah.
[2:51:21] >> Which reduces the monthly burden to a
[2:51:24] res the average resident to $19.94
[2:51:27] a month
[2:51:27] >> a month
[2:51:28] >> from the 27. So
[2:51:30] >> So we were at 1.7, we're now 1.2. We
[2:51:33] were at 84, now we're at 60.
[2:51:36] >> We're doing good.
[2:51:37] >> So we're headed [laughter] we're headed
[2:51:39] in the right direction. But I do think
[2:51:41] and maybe with this is like we I don't
[2:51:43] know talked to department heads but I'm
[2:51:44] like I do think again I'm worried about
[2:51:46] morale of the city of you know keeping
[2:51:48] retention in all of our departments. And
[2:51:50] so I mean the 3% and and I think this
[2:51:54] was Heidi that said this that you know
[2:51:55] we're just doing the cost of living.
[2:51:57] We're not getting any merit increases on
[2:51:59] any of this. So and and you know a lot
[2:52:02] of the citizens have been complaining
[2:52:03] our wages aren't going up. I mean, I
[2:52:05] don't know. Anyways, I'm just
[2:52:07] >> And that's kind of why we were thinking
[2:52:08] of doing that compensation study is
[2:52:09] because it's tough to gauge where that
[2:52:12] should [clears throat] go without that
[2:52:13] study and that third party would help
[2:52:16] give us that guidance because we've
[2:52:18] never done one. Again, it's normal
[2:52:19] practice for most cities to do one every
[2:52:21] five to 10 years. So, getting that
[2:52:23] baseline would be super helpful then to
[2:52:26] go the next year. There are some that
[2:52:28] are really, really low. Then we spent a
[2:52:29] lot of revenue of increase for them and
[2:52:32] those that are high increases their
[2:52:33] salary for that time period.
[2:52:42] So the $100,000 we just took out, but we
[2:52:45] added $45,000 for jobs, right?
[2:52:50] >> We took $30,000 or $35,000
[2:52:54] out of legal.
[2:52:56] >> So is that all reflected in that number?
[2:52:57] Is that is your are your calculations
[2:53:00] um changing in real time as we're as
[2:53:02] we're moving this or
[2:53:03] >> Yeah, they should. So
[2:53:05] >> should
[2:53:06] >> Yeah, we'll check. So that's the total
[2:53:08] of these ones. That's the total of this.
[2:53:14] Just making sure it's pulling from the
[2:53:15] right cells
[2:53:19] here.
[2:53:39] And then
[2:53:48] so that's correct.
[2:53:54] And then so this formula is subtracting
[2:53:57] um our general revenue which went down
[2:54:00] our 15,000
[2:54:02] um to which is right here
[2:54:06] um from our general expenses just to see
[2:54:08] the gap that we have to bridge.
[2:54:14] deficit.
[2:54:15] >> Yeah.
[2:54:16] >> And right now you said that's like a 60
[2:54:18] something% [clears throat] where you got
[2:54:19] down to
[2:54:20] >> maybe like Yeah, like 59 and a bit
[2:54:23] percent, but yeah, I could get you a
[2:54:26] solid number once I can actually get
[2:54:28] because more so than like the percent it
[2:54:31] would be the exact proposed rate is the
[2:54:33] most important part because that's the
[2:54:35] part that actually gets applied to all
[2:54:36] the residents.
[2:54:39] So,
[2:54:41] there was one area that we talked about
[2:54:42] a little bit ago about streets and Ben's
[2:54:47] wages and and was just I mean
[2:54:50] budget-wise, could we think a little bit
[2:54:53] outside the box? I thought there was
[2:54:54] $100,000 there that we could maybe
[2:54:57] tackle and reallocate
[2:55:01] monies that would be paid for out of
[2:55:03] capital projects. We kind of talk about
[2:55:06] that. I thought the I thought our
[2:55:07] approach was conservative and I
[2:55:09] appreciate that, but um I just think,
[2:55:12] you know, if we can if we can tackle two
[2:55:16] or three or maybe even four of these and
[2:55:18] get that number um less than less than a
[2:55:22] million, I think we we we've done done a good job if we can
[2:55:27] [clears throat] do it. So,
[2:55:30] just asking the question. Um, do you
[2:55:33] have to do that instead of just on Ben's
[2:55:35] salary? You do it on
[2:55:36] >> Well, I'm just saying
[2:55:37] >> all the employees for streets. Yeah,
[2:55:39] >> because that would be the only the one
[2:55:41] because
[2:55:41] >> the class C road fund is it's the
[2:55:43] enterprise fund. There's not really
[2:55:45] another enterprise fund that kind of
[2:55:47] operates that similarly, but you'd have
[2:55:50] to do it on every one of the employees
[2:55:51] to reduce that salary down. So, you
[2:55:53] could kind of do that the same way
[2:55:55] you're doing with bands, but for
[2:55:56] everyone streets, they'd have to track
[2:55:58] their hours really, really closely. So
[2:56:01] we don't come up with the audit problem
[2:56:03] at the end of the year.
[2:56:05] >> Just asking if it can be done.
[2:56:09] » Yeah.
[2:56:15] » Heidi, did you not just tell us that
[2:56:16] other cities were not doing a 3% cola?
[2:56:19] Did you not just say that a lot of them
[2:56:21] were at two 2.6?
[2:56:24] >> The average for cola is 2.41.
[2:56:29] But then you said they they were also
[2:56:30] doing merit ones with those
[2:56:31] >> and they are and the average merit is
[2:56:34] 2.81.
[2:56:36] [clears throat]
[2:56:36] >> So how do we look at what happens?
[2:56:40] >> Okay. See what you're saying.
[2:56:42] >> So the combined total increase
[2:56:46] average is 5 to 6%.
[2:56:48] >> So we're underneath that.
[2:56:50] >> Okay.
[2:56:55] And I guess I just have a question on
[2:56:57] the police budget because we we're
[2:56:58] deciding that that's step or is it cola,
[2:57:01] right?
[2:57:02] >> So there they would be step. The
[2:57:05] question would be the guys that are
[2:57:07] topped out that wouldn't be getting a
[2:57:08] step increase because they're already at
[2:57:10] the highest step. So if we're doing a
[2:57:12] cola, they would get that 3% if we call
[2:57:14] it a merit.
[2:57:16] >> Well, we're calling it a cola for
[2:57:17] everybody else, but we're saying we're
[2:57:18] not we're doing it. I guess what do you
[2:57:21] >> might mean a me problem.
[2:57:22] >> Yeah.
[2:57:23] >> Well, I just kind of I just guess I'm
[2:57:25] confused.
[2:57:25] >> The step is a step, right? That's what's
[2:57:27] in there. If you do a cola, you do the
[2:57:29] cola and the step and the whole
[2:57:31] >> weight scale goes up,
[2:57:33] >> right?
[2:57:33] >> That's how it should.
[2:57:34] >> But I thought the step was already
[2:57:35] approved. Like it was something
[2:57:36] previous. So why are we not doing the
[2:57:38] step and the cola for that's
[2:57:40] >> we're doing cola for every other but
[2:57:42] we're saying you guys are just getting
[2:57:43] the step. I
[2:57:43] >> kind of did a proposal where I thought
[2:57:45] we should be after looking at many
[2:57:46] departments in that PowerPoint as well.
[2:57:49] But I added some shift differentials as
[2:57:51] well to because that's common. But
[2:57:53] that's kind of where I think we should
[2:57:55] be on that. But yeah, you're exactly
[2:57:57] right. [clears throat] Step and cola
[2:57:59] different.
[2:58:00] >> So,
[2:58:00] >> but I but what in the budget is right
[2:58:02] now is we're saying you're just getting
[2:58:04] step, but you're not getting cola.
[2:58:06] >> But every other person in the city is
[2:58:08] getting cola.
[2:58:09] >> Only cola. No,
[2:58:10] >> which is one reason why we like
[2:58:12] compensation.
[2:58:13] >> The police department already had STEP.
[2:58:15] They were already
[2:58:15] >> approved. So they they have done a
[2:58:17] compensation study and have like actual
[2:58:19] step program in place. Everyone [snorts]
[2:58:21] else at the city is
[2:58:23] >> not at all on the on the general range
[2:58:28] that we pay people but like they don't
[2:58:30] get merit increases for performance or
[2:58:34] time here or meeting additional you know
[2:58:37] certifications and things. We don't have
[2:58:38] that in place at all. But what we're
[2:58:40] saying to the police department is
[2:58:41] because you already had this step thing
[2:58:42] approved. You're not getting a cost of
[2:58:44] living improved. [clears throat]
[2:58:45] >> We could put it in there. It would cost
[2:58:47] more, which I think is something to
[2:58:49] consider. But then also, I would still
[2:58:51] continue to argue we need a compensation
[2:58:53] study citywide. So that way we're not
[2:58:56] saying, well, please get merit increases
[2:58:58] for being here, but you guys don't,
[2:59:00] right? you know, which and we kind of
[2:59:02] touched on that at our training at our
[2:59:04] not retreat, sorry, [laughter]
[2:59:06] >> at our
[2:59:08] [clears throat] um
[2:59:09] >> workshop.
[2:59:10] Thank you. Um but you know,
[2:59:13] our turnover is pretty high. We have had
[2:59:16] two employees that have been here,
[2:59:18] >> right?
[2:59:18] >> Yeah. Like in the city, you know, and I
[2:59:21] think
[2:59:21] >> you know and you guys are like, well,
[2:59:22] what do we do for people that have been
[2:59:24] here? And it's like nothing. you know,
[2:59:26] we're barely maybe doing the cost of
[2:59:28] living, you know, but it's also hard for
[2:59:30] us to come up here and argue wage
[2:59:33] increases without having the backup. So
[2:59:35] that's why we're arguing for a
[2:59:37] compensation study. So we have something
[2:59:39] to present to you other than
[2:59:41] >> well, I really want Heidi to make this
[2:59:44] much money, you know, because that's not
[2:59:47] valuable. That's, you know, you guys
[2:59:49] know
[2:59:50] >> when did we do merit increases last
[2:59:52] year? That's what they called it
[2:59:54] >> and cola or did we just do one?
[2:59:56] >> It was just a Yeah, it was just but it
[2:59:59] was across the board. They called it a
[3:00:01] merit but in terms of what you would
[3:00:03] consider a merit increase I would not it
[3:00:05] wasn't at all tied to like an
[3:00:07] evaluation. It was just kind of across
[3:00:10] the board. I think it was called merit
[3:00:11] to get around what Chief Sager has
[3:00:14] addressed at this point. So from my
[3:00:16] perspective it it's not a true merit
[3:00:18] increase. It was a cola. It was just
[3:00:20] called something different. The step
[3:00:21] though we are are merit based
[3:00:23] [clears throat] right they get to move
[3:00:24] up to those steps if based on merit
[3:00:27] >> the policy yes um and we addressed that
[3:00:30] made the policy stronger this year on
[3:00:32] Michael's request he wanted to tie the
[3:00:35] evaluation so all our employees get
[3:00:37] evaluations annually and they're
[3:00:38] forwarded to HR and if they're below
[3:00:41] standard I mean that needs to be
[3:00:43] considered in the steps and it's written
[3:00:46] in policy now it was there before but
[3:00:48] it's clear now that if you do not meet
[3:00:51] these standards, you may not get your
[3:00:53] increase.
[3:00:54] >> So, that was before they're just getting
[3:00:56] their increase.
[3:00:57] >> It's It was in there, but it wasn't as
[3:00:59] strong. So, we we did that to make sure.
[3:01:01] And that's that's fair. We need to do
[3:01:03] that because if we have an
[3:01:04] underperformer, they're either going to
[3:01:05] shape up for their they're not going to
[3:01:07] work here.
[3:01:09] Let's That's good
[3:01:12] [clears throat]
[3:01:17] » for the class C. Sorry.
[3:01:20] >> Let's see in streets capital to go to
[3:01:23] salaries.
[3:01:24] >> Yeah, I do. So I can't go to salary
[3:01:27] directly.
[3:01:28] >> Right. And so I do want to get back to
[3:01:31] you. I want to talk to our CPA
[3:01:32] consultant on his advice for budgeting
[3:01:35] for that because I understand what
[3:01:36] you're saying, but we can't have it like
[3:01:38] directly covered. So it does get tricky
[3:01:40] with budget because I also don't want to
[3:01:42] underbudget for an employee that we have
[3:01:44] on staff that's not that's not
[3:01:46] transparent either, right? And so I hear
[3:01:50] what you're saying. I just can't think
[3:01:51] of a great way. So I want to do some
[3:01:53] research and get back to circle back on
[3:01:54] that. But
[3:01:55] >> can we also see what we have paid in the
[3:01:57] past out of the classy road funds to
[3:01:59] reimburse.
[3:02:00] >> I don't think we ever have done that.
[3:02:02] >> Oh, we haven't paid contractors.
[3:02:04] >> So yeah, we've used some classy road
[3:02:06] money previously.
[3:02:06] >> So we're already starting a new office.
[3:02:09] >> So it's hard to know how there's nothing
[3:02:12] process of how we do that. But
[3:02:13] >> but there is something we're rewriting.
[3:02:15] >> We'll look into that right now.
[3:02:17] >> Yeah. Anything more than this is better
[3:02:18] than that.
[3:02:19] >> Yes.
[3:02:19] Absolutely.
[3:02:21] >> So, I definitely think it's worth
[3:02:23] pursuing and looking into. So, I will I
[3:02:26] just want to get some more information.
[3:02:28] >> I think from a
[3:02:29] >> too much direction
[3:02:30] >> from a citizen and a council members
[3:02:33] perspective if we're going to outlay I
[3:02:36] mean $3 million essentially for all that
[3:02:39] equipment
[3:02:40] um and we're going to start doing this
[3:02:43] ourselves. There's got to be some sort
[3:02:46] of budget benefit for us to do that and it's obvious. We're not paying a
[3:02:51] contractor to do it. We're doing it off
[3:02:53] of our wages and ourselves. So, there
[3:02:55] should be some sort of some sort of
[3:02:58] offset.
[3:02:59] >> Yeah. And we have the tracking software
[3:03:00] now with the eye works to to track that
[3:03:03] is what I'm saying project. So, it is
[3:03:06] doable. But how do we reflect on the
[3:03:08] budget whether you take half the
[3:03:10] salaries and eliminate them out of the
[3:03:12] budget or not? We'll we'll ask the
[3:03:14] accountant, the third party account that
[3:03:16] we have to see how they want us to track
[3:03:18] that so so we can get the exact number,
[3:03:21] >> right?
[3:03:23] >> Yeah. Just because like we don't Yeah. I
[3:03:25] mean, and the benefit, [clears throat]
[3:03:26] you know, without considering, okay,
[3:03:29] yeah, we're paying more in salaries now,
[3:03:31] but are we getting more projects
[3:03:32] completed, you know, like are we able to
[3:03:34] do more roads projects with our funding
[3:03:37] than we would be able to do if we were
[3:03:39] paying a contractor for that because we
[3:03:40] have the staffing and equipment for it,
[3:03:42] you know, which I recognize is not reflected in a
[3:03:46] budgetary number, but it is a benefit
[3:03:50] that I think is notable, like is worth
[3:03:54] Was
[3:03:58] there another spot besides that one?
[3:04:03] » Well,
[3:04:08] and we can revisit also the um a
[3:04:11] lotments to go to the
[3:04:12] >> So, we added the 45 grand for the Jaws
[3:04:15] of Life. That's that's reflected in what
[3:04:17] we have right now.
[3:04:18] >> Just go to the fire department budget.
[3:04:22] So,
[3:04:23] and where did we add that?
[3:04:25] [clears throat]
[3:04:26] >> Into this equipment line.
[3:04:28] >> Okay. So, we
[3:04:31] [snorts]
[3:04:31] >> So, take that 45 grand out and just put
[3:04:33] it off into column J. So, just just
[3:04:37] yeah, just take that off. Put it in
[3:04:39] column column J and and then go up to
[3:04:43] the top and see how that moves the
[3:04:44] number the 1.2 million.
[3:04:50] of our desk. So, so it did decrease.
[3:04:53] >> Yeah.
[3:04:53] >> Which it should. [clears throat]
[3:04:57] » So, if we put that back in and we had
[3:05:00] monies come, but I'm just throwing this
[3:05:02] out there. I I think um and some of us,
[3:05:06] you know, had an opportunity to go to
[3:05:07] the fire department, look at some of
[3:05:09] their equipment and um
[3:05:14] yeah, I just I think we should allocate
[3:05:19] some of the monies that we're getting
[3:05:21] from this this this water credit check
[3:05:25] to the fire department. So, and and I
[3:05:29] think we should
[3:05:31] um allocate some specific monies for a
[3:05:34] new ladder truck um at least in the
[3:05:39] budget this year. So, we're moving
[3:05:41] towards that that end. So, that's just a
[3:05:44] thought I have. also getting the jaws of
[3:05:47] life that they're asking for and
[3:05:49] potentially subsidizing, you know, some
[3:05:51] of those um
[3:05:54] what you call them turnouts.
[3:05:57] and
[3:05:58] >> because I think um we have a newfound
[3:06:01] relationship with the fire department
[3:06:04] >> and I think that's healthy and I think
[3:06:07] they've been um maybe brushed aside for for a few years and I think you know
[3:06:14] our focus needs to be um not necessarily
[3:06:18] all on them but I think we need to allocate some budget
[3:06:23] [snorts and clears throat] dollars to
[3:06:24] the fire department and if it just means one time
[3:06:29] um onetime amount for this year. I'm
[3:06:32] just going to throw out a number. I just
[3:06:34] have written here $500,000
[3:06:36] into their fund out of that out of that
[3:06:40] amount. So where up above in the revenue
[3:06:43] line would we take the monies from that
[3:06:47] and stick up there?
[3:06:49] >> I think you'd take that out of the water
[3:06:51] capital projects
[3:06:52] >> credit. credit and so that would go to
[3:06:56] the tax increase because you just reduce
[3:06:59] it from the $18 million.
[3:07:01] >> Okay.
[3:07:02] >> But are you proposing 500 for the fire
[3:07:04] department for them?
[3:07:06] >> Well, Jaws of Life, the two Jaws of Life
[3:07:08] are 90 grand,
[3:07:09] >> right?
[3:07:09] >> Um the turnouts were how much was that?
[3:07:12] 20 grand.
[3:07:14] >> I think those were already in there.
[3:07:16] We have
[3:07:17] >> they were but but to help but to help
[3:07:19] actually find you they need
[3:07:20] [clears throat] to replace the sets here
[3:07:22] we're looking at 10 next year
[3:07:25] >> and then there's five each
[3:07:27] >> 5,000
[3:07:27] >> so you need 50,000
[3:07:30] >> how much would it how much would it cost
[3:07:33] us
[3:07:34] okay to get a ladder truck and
[3:07:39] >> yes but how much time
[3:07:41] >> four years before we could get it
[3:07:44] >> before we see it
[3:07:46] >> before we'd see it. But how much would
[3:07:47] we have to pay initially to get them to
[3:07:50] start
[3:07:50] >> building?
[3:07:51] >> Oh, you got to pay it all up front.
[3:07:53] >> Lovely.
[3:07:55] [laughter]
[3:07:56] >> In four years, it's probably going to
[3:07:57] cost a lot more
[3:07:59] tomorrow. It's about four years now.
[3:08:01] >> That's crazy.
[3:08:03] >> Four weeks.
[3:08:05] >> Is there something somewhere that would
[3:08:08] service us? Not from Wendover's airport.
[3:08:12] We we have found ladder trucks for sale
[3:08:16] for 500,000 to 1.5 million.
[3:08:22] Well, a city has one for sale right now,
[3:08:24] but it does not read meet our ISO
[3:08:28] rating. It's not tall enough for the
[3:08:30] buildings on
[3:08:34] the land. But
[3:08:36] >> here's the here's the issue I see. If we
[3:08:39] don't have the ability to be able to
[3:08:41] service the buildings that we have with
[3:08:44] inside of our city limits, is that a
[3:08:47] legal issue that may come up down the
[3:08:49] road? Is that a potential liability that
[3:08:53] Grantsville City may may have
[3:08:55] potentially? I mean, we have the ability
[3:08:57] to call on those other services and
[3:09:00] they'll come to our aid
[3:09:01] >> if they're not busy. if they're not
[3:09:02] busy.
[3:09:04] >> It presents a risk, but with our inner
[3:09:06] agreement, it kind of covers that a
[3:09:09] little bit, but it definitely would
[3:09:10] solve the problem if we had our own
[3:09:12] worked.
[3:09:17] [clears throat]
[3:09:18] >> It's just a thought. So
[3:09:23] >> and we could allocate out of the water
[3:09:25] credit money for that one time capital
[3:09:29] purchase of the new ladder truck. Then
[3:09:33] put it in there. But again, like we did
[3:09:36] with the the road funding, shop around
[3:09:39] and make sure we find the best deal
[3:09:41] available with the the lifespan on
[3:09:43] something like that.
[3:09:45] >> Well, and we have these one-time
[3:09:47] purchases, something for the hundred
[3:09:48] years. You've got that line item and
[3:09:51] it's 15 grand.
[3:09:53] >> Um,
[3:09:53] >> which is a lot. [snorts]
[3:09:55] >> What?
[3:09:55] >> Which is a [clears throat] lot.
[3:09:57] >> It is. It is. But you we can offset that
[3:10:01] um by some of those monies that we could
[3:10:03] put from the water credit into
[3:10:05] >> correct
[3:10:05] >> in to help pay for some of these line
[3:10:08] items on the fire department
[3:10:09] >> that are kind of one-time things.
[3:10:11] >> Yep.
[3:10:12] >> Yeah, that would make sense. And so
[3:10:14] basically what would happen is I would
[3:10:16] bring it in in our revenue line as one
[3:10:19] of these um
[3:10:22] we have a transfer section
[3:10:26] [clears throat] yeah contributions and
[3:10:27] transfers. So I would just show a
[3:10:29] transfer from the water fund for however
[3:10:33] much you guys
[3:10:35] decide on and then it would come in here
[3:10:37] and be reflected in the overall general
[3:10:39] revenue and then the expenses would come
[3:10:41] out in the apartment in the departments
[3:10:43] that were making up the usage of that
[3:10:46] funds.
[3:10:50] » So
[3:10:52] not going to get a lot of good good
[3:10:55] looks what I'm about to say. Um, so this
[3:10:57] is my idea coming into it. So we got
[3:11:00] since the last time we seen the bud
[3:11:01] budget last week to now with your guys'
[3:11:03] changes, it's about a 10.72%
[3:11:08] reduction from 2026. Would you say
[3:11:10] that's probably right?
[3:11:13] If my if I have to use my hands and toes
[3:11:15] over that, I struggle. So that was my
[3:11:18] calculations. Um, I was thinking that
[3:11:21] we've,
[3:11:23] my notes from looking at it was get
[3:11:25] closer to 15%
[3:11:27] overall reduction.
[3:11:30] Um, and I did have it list out by
[3:11:33] department, but now that we're talking,
[3:11:35] I think it's just overall we're closer
[3:11:37] to that 15%.
[3:11:39] Um,
[3:11:41] I think that
[3:11:43] for the fiscal year 2027 that there
[3:11:46] shouldn't be any payraises for salaried
[3:11:48] employees.
[3:11:50] um a city citywide hiring freeze for
[3:11:53] non-essential positions.
[3:11:56] And I do have here, Bill brought it up,
[3:11:58] but I do have on here city council
[3:11:59] compensation reduced uh or zero dollars
[3:12:03] for fiscal year 2027 until we're out of
[3:12:06] our deficit.
[3:12:08] And then the Shaun Johnson money, the
[3:12:11] water credits, I think we should put
[3:12:13] three million into our general fund and
[3:12:15] use that as our discretion for what we
[3:12:17] need and then invest the remaining 15
[3:12:20] million and that should bring in about
[3:12:23] six 600,000 annually with the 4% return.
[3:12:27] Um those were my notes for what I was
[3:12:31] thinking. Um I have numbers for what
[3:12:35] that would bring in but that would bring
[3:12:37] that deficit the one where is it 1.18
[3:12:45] that would bring it I think with at 15%
[3:12:48] we would need to be about at 139 for the
[3:12:51] budget for the expenditures
[3:12:56] just over 139. So knock off another half
[3:13:00] a million is what you're saying.
[3:13:02] >> It's Yeah.
[3:13:03] >> Where would you propose that would come?
[3:13:06] >> Eliminate services because that would be
[3:13:08] the next step.
[3:13:09] >> Well, a lot of it would be the cost of
[3:13:11] living for the directors or any salary
[3:13:14] employees wouldn't receive a a pay
[3:13:17] increase this year. Um
[3:13:20] >> so yeah, roughly rough numbers on that.
[3:13:21] The salary increase is costing us about
[3:13:23] 250,000
[3:13:25] >> per everybody. 3% the cola is 250
[3:13:30] >> roughly. That's not an exact but you
[3:13:33] know it's between 225 and 250
[3:13:36] >> but you're saying just for directors
[3:13:38] salary
[3:13:39] >> salary they could get their their
[3:13:41] increase but salary no increases
[3:13:44] >> so that' be less than 250.
[3:13:46] >> Yeah. Yeah. I just wanted to put that so
[3:13:48] you had an idea of what that 3% was
[3:13:50] costing us.
[3:13:50] >> And then that still doesn't make up your
[3:13:52] other percentage though that other half
[3:13:55] a million. Oh, I know we're never we're
[3:13:56] not going to cover the whole deficit.
[3:13:59] >> That's what I'm saying. Where would you
[3:14:00] want to pull that other portion from
[3:14:02] that? If you were to looking at the
[3:14:05] budget going line by line, where would
[3:14:07] you recommend we look at cutting those
[3:14:09] other portions? Or do you feel like the
[3:14:11] cut we've made right now is sufficient,
[3:14:14] but just reduce the the COLA for the
[3:14:17] salary employees?
[3:14:18] >> I I like I said, I'd like to be I said
[3:14:21] 15% that was my number looking through
[3:14:24] it all. And at first I had it by
[3:14:26] department. I had originally put 10% uh
[3:14:30] decrease from each department except for
[3:14:32] fire and and police. That would be a 5%
[3:14:35] decrease from 2026.
[3:14:38] >> So you mean just across the board take
[3:14:40] them down?
[3:14:41] >> The whole Yeah. Our whole expenditure is
[3:14:43] try to reduce it by 15%. We're already
[3:14:45] at almost 11%. We just got to just a
[3:14:48] little bit more. So it needs four more
[3:14:50] percent. Yeah. which they help did the
[3:14:53] they did the heavy lifting earlier
[3:14:54] today.
[3:14:55] >> Yeah.
[3:14:58] I do feel like we, you know, and
[3:15:00] obviously we can change for your
[3:15:03] recommendations, but I do feel like I'm
[3:15:05] really proud of our staff so far to get
[3:15:07] us to this point and absolutely
[3:15:09] >> being willing to
[3:15:11] make the sacrifice and cuts like within,
[3:15:14] you know, kind of self-governing
[3:15:15] themselves as far as what needed to be
[3:15:17] done. So, I'm really proud of the staff
[3:15:19] that
[3:15:23] » with Derek's point though, there's value
[3:15:25] in that money. Is there any revenue that
[3:15:28] you have projected coming in with that
[3:15:30] money just sitting and we we talked
[3:15:32] about this just in a some sort of
[3:15:34] interest bearing account?
[3:15:36] >> As of right now, no,
[3:15:38] >> you don't have that reflected in revenue
[3:15:39] at all,
[3:15:40] >> but there is value there.
[3:15:42] >> There could be because right now I have
[3:15:44] it all into the capital projects fund.
[3:15:47] Um, so it like the PTI for that would
[3:15:50] get some, but again, it's all restricted
[3:15:52] within the capital projects fund. If you
[3:15:54] guys want me to put it in the general
[3:15:56] fund instead
[3:15:57] and then invest it, we can explore
[3:16:00] avenues such as that. But it was my
[3:16:02] understanding that it was going to
[3:16:03] capital projects. So that's where it is.
[3:16:05] But if we need to move it, we can
[3:16:07] definitely move it and explore options
[3:16:08] for investment. I know Michael and I had
[3:16:10] met with someone a couple weeks ago. Um
[3:16:13] and yeah, they had projected if we
[3:16:15] invested the full 18 million getting
[3:16:18] like 700,000
[3:16:19] >> which is like a high interest high
[3:16:22] interest savings 4% or 3%
[3:16:25] >> 3.4
[3:16:27] >> that's one way we get reb
[3:16:32] 3 million into the general fund to use
[3:16:34] at our discretion then the 15 and
[3:16:36] remaining that goes into an investment
[3:16:38] account. We're making 600,000 a year off
[3:16:41] of the interest.
[3:16:43] >> But then it's tied up in that until
[3:16:46] >> until the next budget.
[3:16:48] >> Till the next 15 million. You can take
[3:16:50] the s the interest out, right?
[3:16:53] >> Yeah. Absolutely. We'll take the
[3:16:55] interest out, but then it's just
[3:16:56] obviously how long do you want to commit
[3:16:57] that to be in there?
[3:16:59] >> Yeah. And then just with that, we would
[3:17:00] have then do we want to spend all 18
[3:17:03] million in one year?
[3:17:04] >> We don't want to spend it all at once.
[3:17:06] No doubt. Right.
[3:17:07] >> Yeah. And so it just depends on how much
[3:17:09] you want to put in there and then how
[3:17:10] long term we'll put it in stages of how
[3:17:14] often you can draw on that which will
[3:17:16] come is how they they pose to do that.
[3:17:18] So you some like a six months others at
[3:17:21] a year others possibly like a two-year
[3:17:24] draw. And so that's the question is how
[3:17:26] committed do you want us to have that
[3:17:27] investment or liquidated do you want us
[3:17:30] to have that?
[3:17:30] >> Well we need to have options. Oh,
[3:17:32] absolutely. We can get that for you on
[3:17:34] >> I think we'd want to have some of the
[3:17:36] money's liquid.
[3:17:38] >> Um I wouldn't say immediately, but
[3:17:40] within some sort of not some sort of
[3:17:42] notification. No, I I think you
[3:17:44] >> I think we'd want to be able to have
[3:17:46] some sort of liquid asset
[3:17:48] >> that we can [snorts] tap into at some
[3:17:50] point in time.
[3:17:50] >> I do.
[3:17:51] >> But the lion share of that can sit in
[3:17:53] some sort of account that that works for
[3:17:56] us, that works for Grantsville City.
[3:18:03] So that's the quandry. I mean, do we
[3:18:05] [clears throat] do how much of that? I
[3:18:07] mean, I I I like where you're going with
[3:18:08] that. I've thought about it as well. I
[3:18:11] mean, do we take some of those monies
[3:18:13] and do we do we buy down the the debt that we have
[3:18:19] for the um sewer treatment plant? Do we take a third of that and and and
[3:18:25] decrease that amount? I we've approved
[3:18:27] the
[3:18:28] >> the the increase
[3:18:30] But we always said that if we could do
[3:18:32] that,
[3:18:34] does that does that lessen that amount
[3:18:36] that citizens have to pay in a given
[3:18:38] month and does that lessen the blow for
[3:18:42] any sort of tax increase that we have
[3:18:44] here? I mean, it's it's it's all part of
[3:18:47] the equation, right?
[3:18:49] >> Yes.
[3:18:49] >> So, we can do that. I mean, the world is
[3:18:52] our oyster. We can we we we got options,
[3:18:55] which is a great thing to to be able to
[3:18:57] have.
[3:18:59] But but it goes back to what I was
[3:19:01] saying a little bit earlier and just I
[3:19:02] mean not that we need to focus on just what I said but for the equipment
[3:19:06] the onetime equip equipment purchase for
[3:19:10] the fire department I mean that's
[3:19:12] $90,000
[3:19:14] um we could just buy one this year and
[3:19:16] just say $45,000 but if we put it in
[3:19:18] here and we don't offset it up above
[3:19:20] then it comes right out of that that tax
[3:19:22] increase right and it it so if we can
[3:19:25] save that 45 grand
[3:19:27] >> and not make it a part of that and
[3:19:29] designate and earmark those monies for
[3:19:31] that particular $45,000.
[3:19:34] And if we do that somewhere in the
[3:19:35] budget 10 times, there's, you know,
[3:19:39] there's $450,000.
[3:19:42] That's kind of what we're here to do.
[3:19:44] >> Yeah.
[3:19:44] >> To a certain extent. But you know
[3:19:49] what do we do with those those funds and
[3:19:52] how do we proceed?
[3:20:00] My notes are similar to what I thought
[3:20:02] we need to discuss somewhat along the
[3:20:05] lines I think that Derek was thinking
[3:20:07] about. I've come from the private sector
[3:20:10] and I've been through brutal
[3:20:13] um budget and
[3:20:16] meetings and so I've watched a company
[3:20:19] come and cut everyone's pay 10% across
[3:20:21] the board. The next year they came and
[3:20:25] um just they thought that wasn't good
[3:20:28] for morale and so they just said okay
[3:20:31] we've got to lay off x number of people
[3:20:33] to meet budget. The next year they froze
[3:20:36] our 401k match.
[3:20:39] Um I mean these are these are tough
[3:20:41] budget years but that was what they did
[3:20:44] to to make budget. So it's fascinating
[3:20:49] to me to like I somewhat want to play
[3:20:52] with we started the night and maybe
[3:20:55] Aspen your first spreadsheet
[3:20:58] [clears throat] calculation where we're
[3:21:00] now at 60%.
[3:21:02] And maybe we need to come sit with you
[3:21:04] individually to do this. I get this, but
[3:21:07] it's fascinating to me that the
[3:21:09] legislature had a bill that was at 5%.
[3:21:13] And we're still at 60.
[3:21:16] >> And we're not the only ones,
[3:21:18] >> right?
[3:21:19] >> Was 200, right?
[3:21:20] >> Well, yeah. There's like five or six
[3:21:22] cities and none of them have anything
[3:21:24] that's under 10. Under 10.
[3:21:27] cities that were both of 200 or above
[3:21:30] this year throughout Utah.
[3:21:32] >> We're not there.
[3:21:33] >> No, thank you.
[3:21:35] >> Yeah. So, we're we're just
[3:21:37] >> guess we could be there if you guys got
[3:21:38] everything you wanted, right?
[3:21:40] >> Yeah. We can we can ask
[3:21:44] >> be careful, right? Yeah. [laughter]
[3:21:45] >> So, it'd be fun for me, not fun to see
[3:21:48] like at a 10% increase what that type of
[3:21:51] money is and and where we're offered
[3:21:53] just to play with that percentage and
[3:21:57] just see
[3:21:59] if that gets us any any closer. Um, very
[3:22:02] hard, another note I have, very hard for
[3:22:04] me to spend money we don't have yet.
[3:22:09] » Yes,
[3:22:10] >> we don't have it yet.
[3:22:10] >> Will we get that before we finalize this
[3:22:12] >> the end of this month? fully.
[3:22:15] >> Yeah. So, we are supposed to get that
[3:22:17] the end of this month and we have to
[3:22:18] adopt a final budget by like the second
[3:22:20] meeting.
[3:22:21] >> Yeah. So, I don't think we can really
[3:22:23] have a discussion on that at all until
[3:22:26] it's a reality in my opinion. I mean, it
[3:22:28] does it does where I'm at mentally.
[3:22:29] >> It does.
[3:22:30] >> We don't have it.
[3:22:31] >> Yeah.
[3:22:32] >> But I the [clears throat] Jeff, just to
[3:22:34] your point, a 10% property tax increase
[3:22:37] would generate an additional 28,000 in
[3:22:40] revenue. Um, and it makes a household
[3:22:44] >> $3.32.
[3:22:46] >> I could probably sit and play with your
[3:22:48] spreadsheet. You know,
[3:22:49] >> it's a cheeseburger month.
[3:22:52] >> I'm happy to share my one projection one
[3:22:54] with you.
[3:22:54] >> It's [snorts]
[3:22:57] value many,
[3:22:58] >> but [laughter] I mean that kind of that
[3:23:00] kind of
[3:23:02] exercise, I don't know what you want to
[3:23:03] call it, would be helpful to me. We
[3:23:06] don't do $30,000 studies and
[3:23:12] I'm just not too much in favor of doing
[3:23:14] that when you kind of did that yourself
[3:23:17] tonight a little bit, but I can be done.
[3:23:21] Um, [clears throat] a little bit of just
[3:23:23] an analysis of I know it's time on your
[3:23:27] part, but I think I'm not the biggest
[3:23:30] fan. I don't necessarily think I see the
[3:23:32] value in in the fee study. So,
[3:23:36] >> I'm just talking my notes, but um
[3:23:40] >> we're working.
[3:23:41] >> Yeah, I
[3:23:43] >> trying.
[3:23:43] >> I I agree with Councilman Williams on
[3:23:45] the on the study. Um I I think sometimes
[3:23:49] the market indicates
[3:23:51] the market is a key indicator of, you
[3:23:54] know, somebody takes on a position.
[3:23:56] Obviously, they take on a position
[3:23:58] because that offer is is in the arena of
[3:24:02] where they want to be. Um,
[3:24:06] >> two two more thoughts or and I'll shut
[3:24:08] up for the night. Um, two more notes I
[3:24:11] had is we have 2.5 in the general mill
[3:24:14] fund. So, we're trying to get out of
[3:24:16] that fund, but we could use 500,000 to
[3:24:19] this budget year and set it aside of
[3:24:21] what we have currently. Another helpful
[3:24:23] exercise I think would be is I'm not
[3:24:26] saying freeze everybody. My thought was
[3:24:29] play around with a 1.5 color, whatever,
[3:24:32] just to see if that gets us any closer
[3:24:35] to where we need to be. Sorry, that's my
[3:24:37] notes. I'm done. I'm done.
[3:24:42] » Um, I think I I want to start by
[3:24:44] thanking the staff for putting the time
[3:24:46] and effort into going through this. I
[3:24:49] know talking numbers all day, your eyes
[3:24:51] start to to go crossed. Um, and I I
[3:24:55] appreciate our department heads and all
[3:24:57] those who've put in the time and effort
[3:24:59] to try to figure out how to, you know,
[3:25:01] we talk about
[3:25:04] things like this. It's it's a it's a
[3:25:07] hard it's a hard subject because there's
[3:25:09] wants and then there's there's also just
[3:25:11] what we've got, what we need to have as
[3:25:14] a city to be able to to function and
[3:25:17] function properly. for a city that's
[3:25:19] grown since 1997
[3:25:22] to see that we've had a negative 22%
[3:25:28] um
[3:25:30] increase over that time frame is is is a
[3:25:35] little is I I guess you could say that's
[3:25:38] great that they were able we they've
[3:25:41] been able we've been able to do that.
[3:25:43] The the hard part with that is is we've
[3:25:46] grown and we've haven't improved our
[3:25:48] roads and we haven't, you know, and and
[3:25:50] all of those things take dollars. And I get
[3:25:55] just like everyone else, I understand
[3:25:57] what that what that means. Like I I when
[3:26:01] we're talking an increase, no one wants
[3:26:03] to talk about an increase, but the fact
[3:26:05] that we haven't had one hasn't helped
[3:26:07] us. And so um
[3:26:13] I my thoughts on cola is I I feel that I mean we should have a
[3:26:21] you know inflation increase year to year
[3:26:24] would have would have probably captured
[3:26:27] some of the issues that we're dealing.
[3:26:29] We haven't adjusted for any of that. So
[3:26:32] I am a firm believer though we need to
[3:26:34] live within
[3:26:36] what our budgets are and I appreciate
[3:26:38] those that strive to do that and you
[3:26:41] have but you have certain situations
[3:26:42] where you know I think we've we've run
[3:26:46] pretty lean from what I see. Um and I
[3:26:50] appreciate that because it's everyone's dollars that we spend
[3:26:55] when we spend them. So anyway that's my
[3:26:58] thoughts. Anyone
[3:27:03] else have any notes or comments that
[3:27:06] they want to address tonight? Or what
[3:27:08] direction do we want to give the staff
[3:27:10] at this point?
[3:27:11] >> And I already said mine, please, but I
[3:27:13] just I don't think I think we should
[3:27:15] keep the cost of living increase. I I
[3:27:17] think that um I mean, we've already said
[3:27:19] everybody's running lean. I just don't
[3:27:21] think it we need good employees. The
[3:27:23] cost of losing employees, training them,
[3:27:24] attrition, that adds up. So, if we're
[3:27:27] going to I I'd agree with the
[3:27:28] compensation study, though. I don't
[3:27:29] think we really need a study to say I
[3:27:31] think every department head could
[3:27:32] probably go out and see what a similar
[3:27:33] city is doing. I just I think it's going
[3:27:35] to hurt more to say hey this is what you
[3:27:37] should be making and how are we going to make up for that if
[3:27:39] they're not making what they feel like
[3:27:41] they should be making. I feel like it
[3:27:42] that we're talking about a 3% cost of
[3:27:44] increase which is $250,000.
[3:27:47] That's it didn't really help us much in
[3:27:49] our budget but it's going to hopefully
[3:27:51] keep our employees again that it's so
[3:27:53] small a cost of living. That's just my
[3:27:55] thought. I also think I'm a threat that
[3:27:58] we need to help public safety. I mean,
[3:28:00] the budget for a ladder truck. I think
[3:28:03] we should get another officer. That's
[3:28:05] just my opinion.
[3:28:08] My thoughts
[3:28:16] and and maybe how do we get more
[3:28:18] volunteers for the fire department? Is
[3:28:19] there is that something we need to
[3:28:23] is that a better statement? I I don't
[3:28:25] know what that looks like.
[3:28:27] >> They've never had a statement until
[3:28:28] >> until this year. Yeah.
[3:28:31] >> Yes. I think we've done
[3:28:34] a positive thing there for the fire
[3:28:36] department.
[3:28:36] >> I I think it's a good small step, but I
[3:28:38] think we could do more. I mean, and I,
[3:28:39] you know, I don't know what that looks
[3:28:40] like. It is hard for us because we do
[3:28:42] have this $18 million, but it is a
[3:28:44] onetime thing. So, we can't say, you
[3:28:45] know, so we have this money, but we have
[3:28:47] to be careful with it.
[3:28:49] >> So, that's the question I'd like to ask
[3:28:50] the staff. What one-time things are in
[3:28:53] there that can be encapsulated in a
[3:28:56] infusion of half a,750,000
[3:29:00] from that um into the the revenue line
[3:29:04] of the budget or even into the the
[3:29:08] interest income right there.
[3:29:11] Guess that would be that line
[3:29:12] >> things like the 100redy year anniversary
[3:29:13] is a one time thing.
[3:29:14] >> Yeah, it's a one time thing. So that's
[3:29:16] what I'm saying. I mean, go back and
[3:29:18] look at those items and say, "Okay,
[3:29:20] well, these are the these are the
[3:29:21] onetime things in my budget
[3:29:24] that
[3:29:25] >> I I would say in the past, we've come
[3:29:27] with a list of things we asked for.
[3:29:29] Another mower, another, you know, piece
[3:29:31] of equipment."
[3:29:33] >> This doesn't include it.
[3:29:34] >> I I know a
[3:29:37] >> This doesn't include any extra vehicles,
[3:29:40] any yachts.
[3:29:42] And I think those are the onetime things
[3:29:43] you would normally chop out
[3:29:46] >> on something like this that you would
[3:29:48] pay for that extra onetime cost. And
[3:29:50] we've already cut all of those out
[3:29:52] because that would put the budget at
[3:29:54] over $4 million what it is. And so any
[3:29:58] vehicle that needs to be replaced is
[3:29:59] going to be pushed off till next year,
[3:30:01] the next budget type thing. But if you
[3:30:04] guys wanted us to start considering
[3:30:06] those things for use of the water
[3:30:07] credit, like we have plenty of options
[3:30:10] from departments that we could prepare
[3:30:13] and send to you
[3:30:15] for to see if that would be something
[3:30:17] that you would want to spend
[3:30:18] >> like the legal line, you could chop that
[3:30:20] out and put it as a onetime cost of
[3:30:23] whatever it is during that time period
[3:30:26] that litigation's going on. So you would
[3:30:28] see it in the the tax increase, but
[3:30:30] you'd still pay for it out of the water
[3:30:32] credit funds. That would be like the
[3:30:33] what we would kind of kind of do in in
[3:30:36] that regard.
[3:30:38] >> So maybe we can go through and see where
[3:30:40] we could move stuff.
[3:30:42] >> It's still an ongoing cost though on
[3:30:44] that one problem like some that are
[3:30:46] >> not quite onetime fund but are
[3:30:49] >> kind of ongoing cost but are variable
[3:30:53] >> but all the main onetime costs have been
[3:30:56] chopped out.
[3:30:58] But at the same time, I mean, I I see
[3:31:00] what you're saying, but we just approved
[3:31:03] a lot of new equipment for Granville
[3:31:05] City. Sometimes it's so hard we focus on
[3:31:08] what we don't have. I mean, this morning
[3:31:11] I passed pretty some
[3:31:14] pretty nice.
[3:31:16] They're not nice. It's like Grantsville
[3:31:19] dump trucks.
[3:31:21] I was like, I'm glad we have those
[3:31:24] and we're making it. We're trying to
[3:31:26] save money. So I mean
[3:31:28] >> and that's the difference between the
[3:31:29] enterprise funds and then the capital
[3:31:33] >> fund is the difference there with those
[3:31:35] funds
[3:31:36] >> for getting for getting new equipment.
[3:31:38] What I'm saying a new silver
[3:31:43] >> getting better.
[3:31:44] >> I'd say one of those trucks you passed
[3:31:46] is a nice truck.
[3:31:47] >> One [laughter] pretty old has a new bed.
[3:31:50] The truck is pretty old then
[3:31:54] but I get ready to say it.
[3:31:59] And I do think, you know,
[3:32:02] lowering an increase or doing a higher
[3:32:04] increase or not doing a cola or, you
[3:32:08] know, kind of those things. I think it
[3:32:11] is important to
[3:32:13] just looking into the future how long
[3:32:14] you're wanting something like that to
[3:32:16] continue just because we're going to be
[3:32:20] facing a similar issue again next year
[3:32:23] in the year. like it'll be a continuous
[3:32:26] thing that we need to address. And so we
[3:32:28] can definitely freeze it this year. I
[3:32:30] could get you a number for no cola or a
[3:32:33] no cola for salaries or whatever you
[3:32:35] guys are wanting for this year um to see
[3:32:37] where we're at. But I do just want of
[3:32:39] course to bring up that it will be
[3:32:42] something that we do need to consider
[3:32:43] for next year. And we can take out the
[3:32:45] compensation study too um at the 30,000.
[3:32:49] And then
[3:32:51] should they want wage differences for
[3:32:54] staff, I think it's come to the
[3:32:57] assumption that you guys would then
[3:32:58] trust the department head to present on
[3:33:00] that without a compensation study as
[3:33:03] backup, which is fine. I think that
[3:33:06] that's something
[3:33:06] >> the other thing I wrote down too and we
[3:33:08] live in a the benefit system's broken
[3:33:12] >> but I think you've already addressed it
[3:33:13] but for the sake of this being a public
[3:33:15] meeting
[3:33:17] >> I think we live in a system where you
[3:33:19] have to shop every year
[3:33:21] >> to get the best deal on benefits. I
[3:33:24] think you've said you've done that,
[3:33:25] correct? You're going to do that.
[3:33:27] >> We're going to So, we got a 3% increase,
[3:33:31] which I think is a really great increase
[3:33:33] for our benefits, but next year we're
[3:33:36] going to start a lot earlier and we're
[3:33:38] going to look at
[3:33:40] other options,
[3:33:42] >> right? It's just the world.
[3:33:44] >> It's Obamacare. It's marketplace. It's
[3:33:46] going I mean, they force us
[3:33:49] >> when you're out there getting your own
[3:33:50] policy to change every year.
[3:33:53] So that could save us a lot of money.
[3:33:55] >> The the problem that we have is if you
[3:33:58] look at other insurance companies like IHC or
[3:34:04] Blue Cross Blue Shield, the rates are a
[3:34:06] lot higher than what we already have
[3:34:08] right now. So we did look at those
[3:34:10] things. We're actually going to look at
[3:34:11] some other options though. I think they
[3:34:13] did quote us one um and it was 15%
[3:34:17] higher
[3:34:17] >> than if we were to do it
[3:34:20] >> with the PHP.
[3:34:24] >> I just I I just want to make sure that's
[3:34:26] happening analysis every year because
[3:34:29] that's the environment we're in.
[3:34:30] >> Yes.
[3:34:31] >> What we were saying is I think the
[3:34:33] confusion there was we were going to
[3:34:34] shop different brokers. Now we have an
[3:34:37] insurance broker. We're going to try a
[3:34:38] different broker. Trek is different
[3:34:40] options. But with that current broker,
[3:34:42] we did shop the current ones with that
[3:34:45] one and they the one we have with that
[3:34:48] increase is pretty good because a lot of
[3:34:49] the other cities are at a 9 to 10% when
[3:34:52] I was at the conference talking to them
[3:34:54] about that.
[3:34:59] » Yeah.
[3:35:01] >> The other thing I want to talk about too
[3:35:04] is we have directors that average 60
[3:35:07] hours a week right now. So,
[3:35:11] I want to I want you guys to know that
[3:35:13] we run thin and it's not sustainable for
[3:35:17] somebody to work 60 hours a week.
[3:35:21] It's just it's not sustainable.
[3:35:24] >> And and we pretty much said no to every
[3:35:25] department for a new employee except the
[3:35:27] part-time parks that we have budgeted
[3:35:29] in. We've pretty much said no to every
[3:35:31] department. And then if we go on top of
[3:35:33] that say not only do you not get
[3:35:34] somebody new, we're now you're not you
[3:35:37] don't get a cost of living increase. I
[3:35:38] just I think that's I don't think that's
[3:35:40] good.
[3:35:41] >> Yeah. Our directors work a lot of hours.
[3:35:45] >> Directors are salary though, correct?
[3:35:48] >> Yeah. So, they they're making about $13
[3:35:50] an hour.
[3:35:51] >> Well, not that's a that's that's a
[3:35:54] pretty that's a pretty broad statement.
[3:35:57] So I would
[3:36:01] I mean I mean it's going to suck for a
[3:36:02] few years like Tula County when they
[3:36:04] were going through that like they were
[3:36:06] lean and cutting things and and they
[3:36:09] didn't think there was going to be an
[3:36:10] end in sight. We didn't and there was
[3:36:12] some rough goes. I mean roads weren't
[3:36:16] getting paved different things but you
[3:36:18] got to we got to live within our means
[3:36:20] and I know we are lean but it's going to
[3:36:24] be tough and we've got to figure out
[3:36:26] what we need to do. That's why I think
[3:36:27] the 15% is the goal that we should set
[3:36:31] of reduction from 2026.
[3:36:37] » Okay. So, let's say
[3:36:40] >> like the like rodeo like I'm just
[3:36:42] looking through here. Like the rodeo I I
[3:36:45] get it. It's great. It's got a lot of
[3:36:46] support, but if you're in a if you're
[3:36:50] running a deficit like some of those
[3:36:52] things, if I'm running a deficit at
[3:36:53] home, guess what? Like my kids not
[3:36:54] getting that toy at the store when you
[3:36:56] go to Walmart. They're not getting, you
[3:36:58] know, certain things you got to just
[3:37:01] tighten the reins back and and put your needs over your wants. And there
[3:37:06] are some wants I think in every area
[3:37:08] that we could probably scale back just a
[3:37:11] tiny bit on.
[3:37:12] >> So you to meet that 15%.
[3:37:14] >> But but it paid for itself plus $10,000
[3:37:16] on the budget.
[3:37:18] >> On the budget, it's it's a net positive
[3:37:21] >> for 10,000 for the road deal. Yeah,
[3:37:23] that's what we have in here.
[3:37:25] >> I know. But if I'm just saying if it
[3:37:27] paid for itself paid for itself. So if
[3:37:28] we if we take it completely Yeah. Then
[3:37:30] we lose $10,000. That that that's the
[3:37:32] math behind it.
[3:37:32] >> I mean, didn't we have a donation for
[3:37:34] 20,000? I mean, really, I donations for
[3:37:36] about that amount. So I
[3:37:37] >> the donations were for over 43,000.
[3:37:40] >> Yeah, we have nearly 50,000 in donations
[3:37:43] for this year for the rodeo. But right
[3:37:45] now, red is correct. We do have it in as
[3:37:46] a net positive right now. So if I take
[3:37:48] that as an expense, I'm taking it out as
[3:37:50] a revenue as well, which would reduce
[3:37:52] revenues by00.
[3:37:54] >> It's not an expense,
[3:37:56] >> right? Right now, it's considered, you
[3:37:58] know, and the, you know, ultimately
[3:38:01] it'll probably make more than that.
[3:38:03] >> Yeah. We don't even have the ticket
[3:38:05] sales.
[3:38:06] >> Yeah.
[3:38:07] >> Accounted.
[3:38:08] >> Ultimately, it'll probably bring in more
[3:38:09] revenue than I have projected right now
[3:38:10] at 35,000.
[3:38:12] Now there are unexpected costs to that whereas wreck are focused on
[3:38:18] something other than maybe other things
[3:38:20] that they should be focused on. So there
[3:38:21] there's there is some unintended costs
[3:38:25] that may be wrapped up to that. But
[3:38:27] budget line it's it's a net positive.
[3:38:31] yourself
[3:38:33] and then again maybe like what they've
[3:38:35] done in the past to use your one time
[3:38:37] fund which again is not great to float
[3:38:39] the city while you do the slight
[3:38:42] increases every year that you can do.
[3:38:46] >> Could we go in and take the compensation
[3:38:48] study out?
[3:38:49] >> That's what I was going to say.
[3:38:50] >> Put it in line J just so we can see it.
[3:38:53] Just just take put that to 17 right
[3:38:57] there.
[3:38:59] I know.
[3:39:19] I mean, going back to what I asked a
[3:39:21] little bit earlier with the streets and
[3:39:22] the class C and the the salaries and
[3:39:25] offsetting it with capital outlays.
[3:39:29] Um, is that going to I mean, if we can
[3:39:32] do that, is that going to help at all?
[3:39:35] Can it can it help a 100 grand?
[3:39:40] I kind of thought it could, but
[3:39:42] >> I think it can. And one thing that I
[3:39:44] also as we've been talking
[3:39:47] and I don't even
[3:39:52] I'm starting to wonder.
[3:39:58] I need to double check on the class C
[3:40:00] for what's going to approve for this
[3:40:02] year carrying over into next year
[3:40:04] because I want to make sure that this is
[3:40:07] not attributing to like an increase,
[3:40:11] right?
[3:40:12] Yeah.
[3:40:13] >> To the capacity just because it's not it
[3:40:16] doesn't come from the general fund
[3:40:17] anyway. It was the class C road funds PT
[3:40:19] amount that you guys had approved for
[3:40:21] them to use for their roads. So I don't
[3:40:24] think that I've done it but as we've
[3:40:26] been talking and you're talking class C.
[3:40:27] I'll definitely check on that to just
[3:40:29] it's definitely worth triple checking
[3:40:31] on. Um, you know,
[3:40:34] I budget brain is real, but that is
[3:40:36] something that I will double check on to
[3:40:38] see just to make sure that that is
[3:40:41] budgeted accordingly, but not considered
[3:40:43] to be like an additional 2 million that
[3:40:46] we're trying to fund with taxes, right?
[3:40:49] >> Yeah.
[3:40:50] >> Um to be not to get everyone sold
[3:40:53] because I don't think budget [laughter]
[3:40:55] shares the
[3:40:57] >> solve that problem.
[3:40:58] >> We've been here for four hours now.
[3:41:00] I just wanted to stress you all out for
[3:41:02] fun. Um, no, but that is something that
[3:41:06] I'll just double check and I will check
[3:41:07] in with the salaries um with the streets
[3:41:11] um and then
[3:41:14] like you know if we
[3:41:19] you know chief saber your tasers
[3:41:23] you know
[3:41:25] are they in this line?
[3:41:27] >> Yep.
[3:41:29] Yeah. Is that the parts?
[3:41:31] >> Yeah.
[3:41:32] >> 65.
[3:41:33] >> So could we consider that to be a one
[3:41:36] time?
[3:41:38] >> Yeah. Or you can do the payment thing.
[3:41:41] >> But maybe that's where we could reduce
[3:41:42] them is by taking using the
[3:41:44] >> payment.
[3:41:45] Just purchase them outright if it's a
[3:41:47] one time thing and you see new tasers
[3:41:48] like the turnout. So we just say okay we
[3:41:50] get those with the one time
[3:41:51] >> or you can finance them. We could we
[3:41:53] could do one or the other.
[3:41:54] >> The financing is they you do all the
[3:41:57] maintenance as well. So you have a
[3:41:58] little bit a fiveyear like free
[3:42:00] maintenance.
[3:42:01] >> So financing might be better.
[3:42:02] >> They have a 10 year where they replace
[3:42:03] the tasers in five years. So there's
[3:42:05] options but yes that is that is a one
[3:42:10] >> and your turnout
[3:42:10] >> one year.
[3:42:12] >> Yeah.
[3:42:13] >> Your turnouts will be every year because
[3:42:15] we get new people we get new people. So
[3:42:18] turnouts will always be
[3:42:19] >> that's not
[3:42:20] >> so let's address that lineup though for
[3:42:22] police department 65 [snorts] grand.
[3:42:24] [clears throat] How can we trim that up?
[3:42:26] That that is everything for the police
[3:42:28] department the whole year.
[3:42:30] >> Ammo everything.
[3:42:31] >> Okay. I don't know.
[3:42:35] >> But the tasers are in there.
[3:42:36] >> Additional.
[3:42:37] >> I was just going to Yep. No, they're
[3:42:39] not. I was going to try propose get an
[3:42:42] estimate for the payment plan and then
[3:42:43] just try to
[3:42:45] equipment. I try to just get with
[3:42:47] grants.
[3:42:48] >> Okay.
[3:42:49] But I can't usually buy weapons with
[3:42:51] grants. They don't. There's usually
[3:42:52] stipulations. Yeah.
[3:42:54] >> So, so that's not in there at all.
[3:42:56] >> No.
[3:42:57] >> Okay.
[3:42:57] >> What's the other Sorry, there was one
[3:42:59] other thing just popped out. We probably
[3:43:02] talked about this other professional
[3:43:03] services. What was that again?
[3:43:05] >> Dispatch fees 158.
[3:43:08] >> Mhm.
[3:43:08] >> And then the and then the like software
[3:43:11] like the front line.
[3:43:13] >> Okay.
[3:43:13] >> We just approved the dispatch fees that
[3:43:16] >> and we move that that line item from up
[3:43:19] to there. Okay. Yes.
[3:43:20] >> So, the tasers aren't include. We did
[3:43:22] not put the tasers in.
[3:43:25] >> What was the cost of the taser system?
[3:43:28] >> Probably went up.
[3:43:30] Yeah,
[3:43:31] >> while we've been sitting here,
[3:43:33] [laughter]
[3:43:34] >> well, that was back
[3:43:35] >> I Yeah, I think Yeah,
[3:43:38] >> I think that approach to
[3:43:42] >> removing the
[3:43:44] >> one item
[3:43:46] and
[3:43:49] when that payment comes in, we address a
[3:43:52] few of those items individually in that
[3:43:54] one time situation.
[3:43:57] >> Christie, are we giving you a fence? Do
[3:43:59] you think that could that
[3:44:02] we could reduce
[3:44:04] by the parks and rec portion
[3:44:07] >> and so I thought it was under streets
[3:44:09] was
[3:44:15] » yeah but the third that came out of
[3:44:17] streets
[3:44:20] >> building just really
[3:44:24] >> without payment wasn't there [laughter]
[3:44:28] » we're spending money we don't which is
[3:44:30] bad. Maybe it was underwater.
[3:44:34] >> I wonder if we just
[3:44:39] » Yeah. Which one?
[3:44:41] >> Okay, never mind on that.
[3:44:45] [clears throat]
[3:44:54] » So, Derek, back to what you you were
[3:44:55] suggesting, what percentage what
[3:44:58] percentage in your mind
[3:45:00] increase.
[3:45:02] So 40% is it?
[3:45:05] >> Oh, and the property
[3:45:06] >> the overall the overall
[3:45:08] >> you said 15 reduction to the bud to the phys to the 27 fiscal budget.
[3:45:15] >> Mhm.
[3:45:17] >> 15% less than 20.
[3:45:22] » I'm maybe I misunderstood what you
[3:45:25] think. So what you're saying is what is
[3:45:26] the increase then in property tax if you
[3:45:27] get that 15%. Is there anything?
[3:45:29] >> Is that what you're saying, Jake?
[3:45:30] >> Yeah. Well, that was one of the thing.
[3:45:32] If we got to the 15%, then where would
[3:45:35] we be at percentage-wise for
[3:45:37] >> Okay.
[3:45:37] >> Like if you wanted to cover everything,
[3:45:38] where would where would it come down to?
[3:45:41] >> If we were at 15%.
[3:45:44] >> Yeah, that's us.
[3:45:45] >> Gotcha. So, if we reduced this down so
[3:45:48] that we got your 15%.
[3:45:51] >> Yeah.
[3:45:57] I guess do we have a number associated
[3:45:58] with the 15%.
[3:46:00] [snorts]
[3:46:00] >> I think it was 13,910,845.
[3:46:21] » Oh, that's just a difference.
[3:46:26] Sorry, I'm really tired of fresh.
[3:46:30] [snorts]
[3:46:42] So, $700,000 increase
[3:46:44] >> and that would be
[3:46:49] » And then you said you wanted to invest
[3:46:51] uh
[3:46:52] >> 15,000
[3:46:54] for the like 600,000 is what you're
[3:46:57] saying,
[3:46:58] >> right? Yeah. You get that 4%. So, you
[3:47:00] probably be more at like five
[3:47:03] >> five to 600,000 somewhere in there
[3:47:05] >> maybe or four to five to six. Were you
[3:47:08] saying the investment then covers that
[3:47:09] shortfall?
[3:47:10] >> Close to
[3:47:12] >> what? Yeah, that's what my math was. But
[3:47:14] like I said, I once I have to use be on
[3:47:16] my fingers and toes like little What
[3:47:18] percentage?
[3:47:19] >> So far, you've done pretty good. That
[3:47:20] was
[3:47:20] >> 32 more than I can.
[3:47:23] >> And then you said
[3:47:25] tax increase,
[3:47:27] >> which it to $1064.
[3:47:31] >> Maybe that's we take that 500,000 out of
[3:47:34] the Yeah, that 2.4 and run a deficit of
[3:47:38] the that right now and that
[3:47:48] » to figure out what we want to do next
[3:47:49] year.
[3:47:50] >> Yeah. So in my mind
[3:47:53] I guess what are we anticipating years?
[3:47:56] I was going to say we're not factoring
[3:47:57] in the CIP like our our matching dollars
[3:48:01] and any of the projects we have coming
[3:48:03] down the pike and so we do need to
[3:48:06] assess all of those how much we would
[3:48:08] need to increase in regards to that.
[3:48:11] >> So that was my thinking with the 3
[3:48:13] million that we put into the general
[3:48:14] fund that we can use at our discretion
[3:48:17] for any of those grant matches, one-time
[3:48:20] things, anything like that. 15% I
[3:48:23] thought it was 600,000. I was like that
[3:48:26] would cover that. So then I was going to
[3:48:27] say um
[3:48:30] that would cover this what was it close
[3:48:33] to $600,000 deficit the 6005 to600,000
[3:48:37] that we'd get from the three the 15
[3:48:39] million that would kind of cover that
[3:48:41] and then I was going to say we increase
[3:48:44] the property tax 5% and it's an
[3:48:48] automatic five 5% increase for the next
[3:48:50] 10 years.
[3:48:55] But that ties up your Walmart credit
[3:48:58] forever or at least that 10 years
[3:49:03] the 15 million. But I guess one thing if
[3:49:06] we're not
[3:49:07] >> well can't you go back every budget and
[3:49:09] say well we'll take one million out of
[3:49:11] it and feel investment the investments
[3:49:14] based on
[3:49:15] >> then it's like does the increase of that
[3:49:17] 5% every year cover what you're taking
[3:49:20] out of that?
[3:49:21] >> Yeah. I think that well in my mind
[3:49:25] obviously so since we're kind of going
[3:49:28] the direction of talking about the water
[3:49:30] credits specifically in my mind those
[3:49:35] and I hope in the end of it all I'm on
[3:49:37] the right side of history on that um
[3:49:40] [snorts]
[3:49:41] the it's the citizens it needs to go
[3:49:44] back to the citizens and I'd like to see
[3:49:46] it go back to the citizens in the form
[3:49:48] of water so um
[3:49:52] or some form of water. So where we
[3:49:55] ensure that we're protecting future the
[3:49:58] future growth of Gransville from a water
[3:50:00] standpoint.
[3:50:02] So whatever whatever it is, I know we
[3:50:05] all have ideas in our mind what we want
[3:50:08] that to be whether it's parks or roads
[3:50:10] or
[3:50:11] extra police officers or extra fire
[3:50:14] trucks. Um, and and maybe it's a
[3:50:16] combination of all of those, but we have
[3:50:18] to figure out a way to maximize those
[3:50:20] dollars. Like, if we're putting in
[3:50:22] something that's g us a minimal return,
[3:50:25] I don't know if that's the answer
[3:50:27] either. Like, it's a significant amount
[3:50:29] of money and it's more than the
[3:50:32] city has had in probably the bank
[3:50:34] account for a long time. Um, you know,
[3:50:36] and we'll get our the second group of
[3:50:38] that. But I think we need to be
[3:50:40] strategic on what we do with this
[3:50:42] specifically and how the second group,
[3:50:45] you know, if if it was part of the
[3:50:48] agreement comes in. So anyway, I I just
[3:50:53] since we're on that topic, I I that's my thought and feel on it.
[3:51:02] » Just to throw another thought out there
[3:51:04] on those funds that just came into my
[3:51:06] mind. Um, let's just say you're putting
[3:51:10] 15 million away and you don't do a road.
[3:51:14] Let's just use that as an example. So,
[3:51:16] you don't build a road and you put the
[3:51:18] money into those funds and you get the
[3:51:21] interest, but you still have to build
[3:51:24] the road, let's say, in two years, but
[3:51:26] the price to build the road was up
[3:51:28] higher now than all the interest that
[3:51:30] you gained. And so, really, you lost
[3:51:32] money by not doing the project. Now, I'm
[3:51:35] just a thought. I don't I don't know.
[3:51:37] Just throwing that thought out there.
[3:51:39] >> Yeah. I mean, there's
[3:51:41] >> that'd be like purchasing the fire
[3:51:42] truck.
[3:51:43] >> Yep.
[3:51:44] >> The one time I purchase now as opposed
[3:51:45] to later.
[3:51:47] >> And I think it boils down to what we
[3:51:49] what immediate needs we have and what we
[3:51:51] feel it's immediate priority. And in
[3:51:53] some situations, it's
[3:51:56] [clears throat and cough] it's a tasers.
[3:51:58] If we need to have tasers, if our guys
[3:52:00] need to be equipped with what they need
[3:52:01] to be equipped with, then we have to
[3:52:03] really look at that. If it's a fire
[3:52:04] truck and preparation for a firet truck,
[3:52:07] then that's what it is. And we separate
[3:52:09] that and then we figure out how to best
[3:52:12] utilize what's remaining and make and maximize
[3:52:17] it. I I like the idea of, you know,
[3:52:20] looking at grants specifically that
[3:52:22] duplicate our dollars. Um, if we can
[3:52:25] have take a million dollars and turn it
[3:52:27] into two, then that's a great investment
[3:52:30] in my opinion. you know, that is
[3:52:33] doubling your money. Like, that would be
[3:52:36] something that makes complete sense. But
[3:52:38] if it's something where we we put it
[3:52:40] into, you know, we bury it in the dirt
[3:52:42] and hope it's going to all be there when
[3:52:45] we dig it all back out, I don't know if
[3:52:46] that's the best thing for the city,
[3:52:58] but I really like where we're going with
[3:53:00] this. I I think
[3:53:01] to I from a percentage standpoint
[3:53:05] if that's a combination of
[3:53:10] trying trying to using those dollars
[3:53:13] that we that we're going to get to to
[3:53:16] benefit the residents
[3:53:20] for a situation that we're in because we
[3:53:23] haven't raised taxes since 97 or
[3:53:25] whatever. I think that's
[3:53:27] >> that's just how far the records go back.
[3:53:28] Yeah.
[3:53:29] >> Yeah. [laughter] The last increase was
[3:53:31] 2010. So 16 years and then we had two
[3:53:34] decreases.
[3:53:35] >> But we don't we don't avoid an increase.
[3:53:37] There's no way we avoid an increase. So
[3:53:39] and and and
[3:53:42] it's not, you know, I think we've we've
[3:53:46] spent
[3:53:47] how many hours going through and you
[3:53:50] guys have spent how many hours going
[3:53:51] through it? And all of us probably spent
[3:53:53] all weekend trying to figure out other
[3:53:55] options and and avenues. Um,
[3:54:00] I think that
[3:54:05] there's there's an increase there that has to be there obviously to help
[3:54:08] balance, but I think there are ways we
[3:54:10] can we can we can do both. We can try to
[3:54:14] find the areas in which we can save and
[3:54:16] then we can figure out how to use,
[3:54:22] you know, potential funds to help
[3:54:24] minimize [clears throat] the impact to
[3:54:25] the residents. I think that's it's a
[3:54:28] double win.
[3:54:34] So I guess um
[3:54:36] we'll go and find out kind of our
[3:54:39] percentage we can um invest this money
[3:54:45] either I guess what amount is I guess
[3:54:48] what we'd want to know either the full
[3:54:50] amount 15 depends on the percentage
[3:54:52] >> correct of course
[3:54:53] >> but also it depends on
[3:54:56] how long you want it to be reoccurring
[3:55:00] >> is It affects the percent is what
[3:55:02] they're telling us.
[3:55:04] >> Who's our general account with? I mean,
[3:55:05] what do who do we bank with?
[3:55:08] >> I guess I should know that.
[3:55:09] >> Key bank.
[3:55:11] >> Yeah,
[3:55:11] >> this probably be invested with PTIP
[3:55:14] though, right?
[3:55:15] >> So, PTIP isn't an option. Um, just
[3:55:18] because we we are a municipality, we are
[3:55:20] somewhat restricted in our investments,
[3:55:22] right? It's not like on the regular
[3:55:23] stock market to be it's too risky. You
[3:55:26] can't invest in a sweeps account that sweeps our money into the Grand
[3:55:29] Cayman's every every day and we we get
[3:55:32] back in.
[3:55:32] >> We did look we did meet with an
[3:55:35] investment group, an investment bank
[3:55:36] that's not it's not key um a couple of
[3:55:39] weeks ago um and they did have a
[3:55:41] percentage I think it was like 3.4 but
[3:55:43] that's not a far cry from where our PIS
[3:55:47] are sitting right now anyway.
[3:55:50] Um,
[3:55:51] and so, and one thing that I do want to
[3:55:54] just verify is depending on where we put
[3:55:58] that$ 18 million, how it affects our
[3:55:59] fund balance with that 35% cap because
[3:56:02] putting the 18 million into fund balance
[3:56:04] would
[3:56:05] >> put us over
[3:56:05] >> for our general fund balance would put
[3:56:07] us over that. So, that is something to
[3:56:08] consider. But, if it's invested,
[3:56:11] >> I don't I I just need to clarify how
[3:56:14] that ends up tying up in relation to
[3:56:16] what's considered in our fund balance
[3:56:18] procedure. So
[3:56:20] >> projects that take the interest.
[3:56:24] >> Yeah, it could maybe end up need to be
[3:56:26] some sort of hybrid, but I could see
[3:56:28] what our max we could do there would be
[3:56:30] and then kind of go from there.
[3:56:36] » I just want to randomly ask any of our
[3:56:38] staff that's here,
[3:56:40] do you have any ideas that we're not
[3:56:42] thinking about? Do you have some outside
[3:56:44] the outside the box ideas that you are
[3:56:47] thinking in your mind and you don't
[3:56:48] think you should share, but I'm asking
[3:56:50] you to?
[3:56:55] Well, I'm thinking like what can we
[3:56:56] automate
[3:56:59] to make things
[3:57:02] more efficient?
[3:57:04] I don't know if that would save us any
[3:57:06] money, but
[3:57:09] » like what
[3:57:13] like
[3:57:15] payments.
[3:57:17] I don't know. Online,
[3:57:20] signing up for services online instead
[3:57:22] of having to come in.
[3:57:30] » It's going to cost money to Yeah. get to get there. Yeah.
[3:57:34] >> That would be more of an investment in
[3:57:35] the future for sure. They
[3:57:37] >> could reduce all our hours here.
[3:57:42] go to maybe a 410 or something like that
[3:57:46] >> could reduce staff hours. Yeah,
[3:57:50] >> I asked about that too. Like would it
[3:57:52] save us on, you know, like
[3:57:55] >> utility fees
[3:57:59] » and would it would it make it worth it,
[3:58:03] >> right?
[3:58:04] >> Have buildings closed
[3:58:06] >> Fridays.
[3:58:07] >> Yeah.
[3:58:09] He's not going to be able to close on
[3:58:10] Fridays
[3:58:11] >> 247.
[3:58:14] [clears throat]
[3:58:15] >> So that's probably your busiest day.
[3:58:18] [laughter] Friday after 5.
[3:58:20] >> It's the silver treatment plant busiest
[3:58:22] day Sunday morning, right? [laughter]
[3:58:27] » Any other ideas someone wants to throw
[3:58:29] out?
[3:58:31] >> So you're talking about investing. I
[3:58:33] just wondered if um you looked at a CD
[3:58:38] or if that's what
[3:58:40] >> that's kind of what they're saying is
[3:58:41] like they they phase the CD or the the
[3:58:44] money in at different time frames to
[3:58:46] maximize that interest.
[3:58:47] >> Okay. So it's a CD.
[3:58:49] >> Yeah.
[3:58:51] >> Basically, yeah, but they have to do it
[3:58:52] according all the rules for
[3:58:54] municipalities,
[3:58:55] >> right? I just um in our my previous
[3:58:58] municipality we invested a CD and it
[3:59:01] yielded a pretty high percentage rate
[3:59:04] and then we also did it for the UMC
[3:59:06] board as well. So I know it can be done
[3:59:08] and it's usually higher interest rate.
[3:59:17] » Any other ideas
[3:59:21] start selling Grantville merch?
[3:59:24] [laughter]
[3:59:25] Cost money.
[3:59:27] >> Cost money.
[3:59:28] >> Increase the budget. Offset it.
[3:59:31] >> But it would be cute. [laughter]
[3:59:34] >> All of our supporters would
[3:59:38] [laughter]
[3:59:38] >> um influencers.
[3:59:41] >> Do we have property we could sell?
[3:59:44] >> Do we have
[3:59:46] um
[3:59:49] any property we could lease?
[3:59:54] Um,
[3:59:55] >> yeah, at least the baseball hits.
[3:59:57] >> That's right. [laughter] There we go.
[3:59:59] >> Wait to talk about
[4:00:02] We still have to talk about that.
[4:00:04] >> Yeah, [laughter] dude.
[4:00:07] >> Okay. Are we Do we feel Is there
[4:00:09] anything else that anybody would I mean,
[4:00:11] this is just a discussion obviously.
[4:00:13] >> Are we finished hashing that this out?
[4:00:15] We can all sleep on this tonight.
[4:00:17] >> Well, back to to Derek's the numbers
[4:00:19] that we put in there. That that half a
[4:00:21] million dollars. Where is that coming
[4:00:23] from? Is that coming from the interest?
[4:00:25] Is that is that is that where we're at
[4:00:26] with that?
[4:00:27] >> It was unclear.
[4:00:29] >> I think he would want us to cut it from
[4:00:31] the budget itself.
[4:00:32] >> Yeah.
[4:00:35] >> Get up to 15% reduction from 26 2026.
[4:00:40] Sorry.
[4:00:40] >> Not 2026, from the proposed 2027 budget
[4:00:42] that they gave us the other day. Right.
[4:00:45] >> No, that's from 2026 budget.
[4:00:48] >> Okay.
[4:00:48] >> And there we're I mean we're almost
[4:00:49] there. We're at
[4:00:50] >> Okay. almost 11% from what they did
[4:00:53] before the meeting tonight.
[4:00:54] >> Yeah. So, we're taking it from that
[4:00:57] 16,365
[4:00:59] down to
[4:01:00] >> finding another 13,900,000.
[4:01:03] >> I guess the only other option you want
[4:01:05] to really reduce it down is to find uh
[4:01:08] employees that are fulltime and make
[4:01:10] them part-time, then you cut off the
[4:01:12] benefits.
[4:01:13] >> That's the next big [clears throat]
[4:01:15] to go to.
[4:01:16] >> But like every department said they're
[4:01:18] running thin. So,
[4:01:19] >> correct. I mean, maybe not.
[4:01:21] >> Then you reduce services like
[4:01:23] hours in at city hall. Do we need to be
[4:01:26] here from 8 to 6 every day, 5 days a
[4:01:30] week? If we don't, then what hour do we
[4:01:33] want to have open? And then we reduce
[4:01:34] that time in that area. Do you want your
[4:01:37] library open the hours that it's reduce
[4:01:40] that time there?
[4:01:42] I guess it's just again what kind of
[4:01:44] service do you want to have? How many
[4:01:47] don't necessarily want to go to works
[4:01:49] and reduce staff there because we
[4:01:51] already we're in a good place right now.
[4:01:54] >> But we have done that. We as we are
[4:01:56] looking at new positions, right? Instead
[4:01:59] of it being a full-time position, we do
[4:02:02] two part-time positions. So that will
[4:02:04] that cuts their benefits.
[4:02:06] We've done that with your parks.
[4:02:10] But I think
[4:02:13] I guess finding an interest rate carry
[4:02:16] over the years because again at some
[4:02:18] point the real goal is the hard part of
[4:02:20] our residents is that we never really
[4:02:23] increased it significantly and they're
[4:02:25] bearing the entire brunt of this because
[4:02:27] we don't have the businesses in here to
[4:02:30] help offset that going forward. So
[4:02:34] I'm hoping with the event of like the
[4:02:37] nuclear campus if that does get selected
[4:02:39] here in Utah coming forward that might
[4:02:41] spur more of that again like business
[4:02:44] parks picking up. We don't get a lot of
[4:02:46] that right now because of the RDA that
[4:02:49] was agreed on before, but there is a
[4:02:51] percentage of that that is there.
[4:02:52] >> We don't get it. We property taxes, but
[4:02:55] we will get the passive for sales tax.
[4:02:58] Granted, a lot of them are not really
[4:03:01] like
[4:03:02] >> point to sell,
[4:03:02] >> right?
[4:03:03] >> Correct. So
[4:03:05] >> and then next year soul birds will be
[4:03:07] opening up or later this year
[4:03:10] >> and so there are some shifts that will
[4:03:12] be coming and again if we can really
[4:03:14] target getting more businesses and
[4:03:16] spending that's what I'm saying I would
[4:03:18] suggest that we look at that that fund
[4:03:21] of that water credit is going to water
[4:03:23] but going towards attracting making this
[4:03:26] a really business friendly so we can get
[4:03:28] those here is really what would offset
[4:03:31] the burden on the residents for grants.
[4:03:35] And how and what kind of programs or
[4:03:38] incentives do we want to do that? I know
[4:03:40] that it's not great, but if we get more
[4:03:42] businesses here, that's going to offset
[4:03:44] the tax dollar that the residents have
[4:03:46] to pay.
[4:03:49] I guess keep that in mind. How what you
[4:03:52] want to spend that on? How you want to
[4:03:54] develop like a town center for trans?
[4:03:58] Like what does that look like? If we do
[4:03:59] have exponential growth, what kind of
[4:04:02] city hall? Because that we're going to
[4:04:03] need more space because right now
[4:04:05] there's not a lot of PE or office space
[4:04:07] in public works right now. That's going
[4:04:09] to be a factor that we need to address.
[4:04:11] Is we just buy more portables or get
[4:04:13] portables to put there or do we create a
[4:04:16] town center space that would generate
[4:04:18] money based on that revenue of being in
[4:04:21] proximity to a local town center and get
[4:04:24] businesses around that? I guess that's
[4:04:26] what help you to decide and factor in as
[4:04:29] part of this conversation how to spend
[4:04:31] that water uh credit money is where I
[4:04:33] would suggest that we look at as well
[4:04:46] some big picture planning
[4:04:49] sustainability you know running lean
[4:04:54] hiring freezes increase freezes.
[4:04:58] What does that look like long term? You
[4:05:00] know, how long do we
[4:05:02] do that kind of things? How long do we
[4:05:04] not give departments asks for equipment
[4:05:06] they need? Because as we grow, the need
[4:05:09] for services is only going to go up.
[4:05:21] We could have people work remote. That
[4:05:24] would cut down on some supply costs.
[4:05:29] I mean, would it cut down on enough?
[4:05:31] Probably not. But
[4:05:34] people did it during co
[4:05:39] » but not all all positions.
[4:05:41] >> Not all positions. I mean she definitely
[4:05:44] could be [laughter]
[4:05:47] >> park.
[4:05:54] » So back to focusing on the actual budget
[4:05:58] here and what we have this number 1
[4:06:01] million
[4:06:03] 158,332
[4:06:05] that's our budget deficit as it stands
[4:06:07] right now. So, and this this number
[4:06:12] includes the 5% cola. We we have that
[4:06:14] built into sorry 5% sorry 3% cola.
[4:06:19] >> That's that's built into there.
[4:06:21] >> So, we we one of two ways. I mean, you
[4:06:24] said $250,000,
[4:06:27] right?
[4:06:28] >> Um for that that cola increase. You you
[4:06:32] suggested we freeze all salaried
[4:06:34] employees.
[4:06:37] So, I mean, if we if we increase the
[4:06:41] revenue
[4:06:43] um if we increase the revenue line by
[4:06:45] $500,000,
[4:06:47] that get that gets us to our number,
[4:06:50] right? Do you agree that that gets you?
[4:06:53] It it doesn't get you the the $3,900,000
[4:06:58] that you were asking for, but that
[4:07:01] interest does
[4:07:03] um does decrease that that amount to
[4:07:06] what you're after without doing the COLA
[4:07:09] decreasing or taking that completely
[4:07:12] out?
[4:07:13] or are you suggesting that we take that
[4:07:16] completely out and add revenue
[4:07:20] um from the interest up above which
[4:07:23] would make that number even go even less
[4:07:25] same bolt
[4:07:32] and I mentioned our pay you want to go
[4:07:33] into that too that saves
[4:07:36] >> some of us don't get paid
[4:07:37] >> 40 to $60,000
[4:07:39] >> anyways
[4:07:41] >> Aspen how much do we have in tuition
[4:07:43] reimbursement
[4:07:44] >> right now. I think it's just over
[4:07:46] 15,000.
[4:07:48] >> Okay.
[4:07:53] » 15450
[4:07:54] is proposed.
[4:07:57] >> I mean, we could stop that for a year.
[4:08:11] I think it's a little I mean I know
[4:08:13] we're trying to look for stuff here and
[4:08:14] there but
[4:08:16] >> they're way get more trained more
[4:08:18] effective.
[4:08:19] >> Yeah, you have also like don't we have
[4:08:22] like they have to stay with the city for
[4:08:23] so long do
[4:08:25] >> so then they're not leaving [laughter]
[4:08:27] it. It kind of benefits us too if
[4:08:29] they're doing
[4:08:33] » I'm fine with us focusing on the little
[4:08:35] things, but I mean really I mean the
[4:08:38] revenue moves the needle and the the
[4:08:42] decrease moves the needle as well. So if
[4:08:44] that's what we're talking about then I
[4:08:47] mean let's let's focus on that or let's focus on all these little
[4:08:51] things as well.
[4:08:52] >> When you're saying the revenue are you
[4:08:53] seeing the revenue from the interest? Is
[4:08:54] that where you're adding that in that
[4:08:56] 500? I mean that's that's that's the way
[4:08:57] you balance it.
[4:08:58] >> Yeah. I think that's
[4:08:59] >> you got to get revenue going in.
[4:09:00] >> Yeah.
[4:09:00] >> We either use it from you know what we
[4:09:04] what we've robbed from for the past five
[4:09:06] years which is
[4:09:09] >> general fund.
[4:09:09] >> The general fund.
[4:09:10] >> I mean you can subsidize with that.
[4:09:14] You can subsidize it by putting $3
[4:09:16] million infused from you know like you
[4:09:20] suggested.
[4:09:22] But then you you you want to designate
[4:09:24] certain line items to be able to those
[4:09:27] onetime purchases.
[4:09:29] I like the jaws of life. So
[4:09:33] [clears throat] a fire truck, a used one
[4:09:35] for now, right?
[4:09:40] So I guess what do you want to put in
[4:09:42] here right now? I say add the 600,000.
[4:09:46] Get that for the interest and see where
[4:09:48] we're at. Well, 600,000 is for the full
[4:09:51] 18 million, right?
[4:09:52] >> Yeah,
[4:09:53] >> that was 700,000 for the full 18
[4:09:55] million.
[4:09:56] >> Oh, okay. Sorry.
[4:09:57] >> The other day, but you're going to dig into that.
[4:09:59] >> Yeah, we're going to try to get the best
[4:10:01] interest on there. But then then I guess
[4:10:03] the proposal that that is the case, then
[4:10:05] it takes down to
[4:10:11] » I don't know what you're looking for.
[4:10:12] I'm sorry.
[4:10:12] >> The main number is that have the
[4:10:15] remainder of like the 600,000
[4:10:17] >> main number for how much we save.
[4:10:20] >> So if we got 3.4% off the 15 million we
[4:10:22] put in that's 510,000.
[4:10:24] >> So what's the remainder this number
[4:10:26] left? So we need to come up with
[4:10:30] if that takes six then you have 600,000
[4:10:33] that you're still going to make up for
[4:10:34] whether you take that out of your
[4:10:36] current budget or you raise taxes on
[4:10:38] that.
[4:10:38] >> What would that increase be at the
[4:10:43] 40% or something? What's that?
[4:10:44] >> I think it was 30. So I guess Okay, hold
[4:10:46] on. I guess I'm
[4:10:49] Are you guys wanting to give me a
[4:10:50] percentage that you're wanting to raise
[4:10:52] taxes to and then we can look?
[4:10:54] >> No, we're saying if if we use those
[4:10:56] 600,000 interest from the water credit
[4:10:59] funds that go to here. So we need to
[4:11:02] basically say the salaries increased on
[4:11:04] this. So then that remainder how much
[4:11:08] you have to pay taxes for that.
[4:11:28] between 26 and 27%.
[4:11:30] >> But so is that is that number though
[4:11:33] going if we got this reduced to 15%
[4:11:36] because right now we're at just under
[4:11:38] 11.
[4:11:40] Well, it would just be increasing the
[4:11:42] revenue,
[4:11:44] but the expenses would stay the same.
[4:11:46] So, no, you would not be getting your
[4:11:47] 15% reduction in expenses.
[4:11:51] >> I kind of like it. I feel like we could
[4:11:52] do a little bit of like, okay, now we're
[4:11:53] getting a little bit of revenue, so we
[4:11:55] can go I think I like the approach of
[4:11:56] not trying to raise property taxes, but
[4:11:58] then we haven't done that for 16 years.
[4:12:00] Are we going to keep doing that? Are we
[4:12:01] just gonna say no property taxes ever?
[4:12:03] We're going to be in a similar problem
[4:12:04] if we just And so, I I would like to get
[4:12:06] it as low as possible. I mean, I've
[4:12:08] already said I I think that, you know,
[4:12:10] there's things we could take out, but I
[4:12:11] think we need to keep the increase. I
[4:12:14] think we can do a little bit here and
[4:12:15] there and kind of get that number as low
[4:12:16] as possible. I think that should be our
[4:12:18] goal of I like doing the putting three
[4:12:20] million so we have it in savings and
[4:12:22] then getting interest on the 15 to
[4:12:24] account for more revenue.
[4:12:27] And I think there are places we can skim
[4:12:29] out here a little bit to take out
[4:12:32] because I think you have taken out the
[4:12:34] two million for the park out of the 18
[4:12:36] million under this
[4:12:38] Yeah. So there is some foric slopes that
[4:12:40] will roll over and then as well as
[4:12:43] current debts. So
[4:12:44] >> So you're already at 15 million.
[4:12:46] >> Yeah. 153 for investment that's
[4:12:49] available out of the 183 that was
[4:12:51] brought in. So of that because I took
[4:12:54] everything out from the contribution of
[4:12:56] fund balance and all the other general
[4:12:57] fund accounts. If you want to put those
[4:12:59] back in to reallocate, I think that that
[4:13:02] would be fine. But we do have some prior
[4:13:03] obligations already in capital projects
[4:13:05] that do need to be
[4:13:09] >> seen. So you're saying we have 15
[4:13:10] million, but that's not putting 3
[4:13:12] million in the general fund. We only
[4:13:13] have 15 million to invest because
[4:13:15] >> you can put 3 million and then you have
[4:13:16] 12 invest,
[4:13:18] >> right?
[4:13:19] >> We're saying some of the 18 million
[4:13:20] already been
[4:13:22] >> essentially in the account.
[4:13:23] >> Yes. Because I took it out of the
[4:13:25] general fund for all the contribution to
[4:13:26] fund
[4:13:27] >> capital projects in there. I took those
[4:13:30] line items out.
[4:13:31] >> Right. We could put that back in,
[4:13:33] >> but then it just goes,
[4:13:34] >> right? So, there's just tradeoffs,
[4:13:37] right, to considering what we're doing
[4:13:38] with the 8 million. We could invest all,
[4:13:40] you know, it's at your direction. So, I
[4:13:43] can obviously change this to reflect
[4:13:46] your decisions, but
[4:13:49] just where it sits right now.
[4:13:53] So, so back to that, where's the money
[4:13:55] that we we received from the bond and
[4:13:58] basically the loan to fund Sing slopes?
[4:14:03] Where's that where's that money at?
[4:14:05] >> So, I mean, why are we taking money from
[4:14:08] the 18 million? So, the check that's
[4:14:11] written for the water credits is $18
[4:14:13] million 333 250.
[4:14:16] >> Uh,
[4:14:17] >> so why are we
[4:14:19] why is $2.6 $6 million taken out of that
[4:14:22] amount. How come there isn't an accounting for
[4:14:29] funds that we've already designated for
[4:14:31] that?
[4:14:34] >> Yeah. So this 5 million I guess the
[4:14:36] bond. Yeah. I guess we'd have to see how
[4:14:38] much of these
[4:14:41] are
[4:14:43] will be spent. This one is already over.
[4:14:46] That one's almost 4 million. So right
[4:14:48] now that right there is probably
[4:14:52] >> part of it Um and then this you know is
[4:14:57] another's 767,000.
[4:15:01] So that is a point that I can look into
[4:15:04] just to see how much of that has been
[4:15:08] spent on those projects. But I mean
[4:15:10] >> so I'm thinking some of that some of
[4:15:11] that number should be in column
[4:15:14] >> I
[4:15:18] No.
[4:15:18] >> Yeah. Not exactly because it wouldn't be
[4:15:20] recognized as new revenue, but it would
[4:15:22] kind of be like the rollover from the
[4:15:24] fund like we've talked about in the
[4:15:26] past. So, like with the sewer, sorry,
[4:15:29] excuse me, with the cemetery.
[4:15:31] >> Um,
[4:15:32] >> right. That is there, but it won't count
[4:15:35] for the next bucket.
[4:15:38] >> Yeah.
[4:15:41] Okay.
[4:15:54] Maybe this question's been answered and
[4:15:56] I missed it, but
[4:15:59] I've been here for 3 years and
[4:16:03] I'm just
[4:16:05] I know that you have mentioned that
[4:16:07] maybe CO funds were being used to
[4:16:10] compensate, But I mean it's always been
[4:16:13] lean but why are we so far
[4:16:17] why are we in such a problem this year
[4:16:19] as opposed to other years
[4:16:22] recent years?
[4:16:23] >> Yeah. And like I had said I will get the
[4:16:25] numbers for how much we receive how much
[4:16:27] grants the city received in co funds and
[4:16:29] how they were used. Um but last year you
[4:16:32] guys did pull from fund balance to make
[4:16:34] up the difference. So there wasn't a
[4:16:35] property tax increase but there was use
[4:16:37] of general fund balance which made up
[4:16:40] the difference. So then you guys didn't
[4:16:42] have to go through
[4:16:45] to this extent you know to try to make
[4:16:47] cuz you know you have 2.4 million that
[4:16:49] covers the one
[4:16:52] whatever this number ends up being. So
[4:16:55] if you wanted to use fund balance I mean
[4:16:57] I would advise against it but ultimately
[4:17:00] that's your decision. So if that's
[4:17:01] something you wanted to do again,
[4:17:03] >> you could, you know, but it was far off.
[4:17:06] I mean, last year, I think I still have
[4:17:08] the numbers up here, the revenues were
[4:17:09] like 13 million and the expenditures
[4:17:11] were 16 million. So like,
[4:17:13] >> right,
[4:17:14] >> it was it wasn't balanced. And so um
[4:17:19] yeah, like that's
[4:17:22] a substantial difference, right? It used
[4:17:26] with just the use of fun balance. So and
[4:17:29] I'm not
[4:17:30] pretending like that's not an option,
[4:17:32] right? You guys can use that as an
[4:17:33] option. You can use some balance. I
[4:17:36] cautioned using it sparingly just
[4:17:39] because and you know just
[4:17:43] knowing that the future like the problem
[4:17:46] will perpetuate into the future as far
[4:17:48] as the gap between what level we're
[4:17:51] operating at versus what level of
[4:17:52] revenue we're incoming until
[4:17:56] all this potential growth is actually
[4:17:59] realized. Right? It's projected. It
[4:18:02] seems nice, but our revenues aren't
[4:18:04] reflecting any of that at this point in
[4:18:06] time through property taxes or sales
[4:18:09] tax.
[4:18:12] And with those with that growth just
[4:18:15] comes more expenses
[4:18:17] associated with that. So it's not all
[4:18:19] just dollars.
[4:18:20] >> No, Because then we have to hire more
[4:18:24] police officers.
[4:18:25] >> We have that new building.
[4:18:30] The animal shelter has to go somewhere.
[4:18:33] the
[4:18:34] um and then yeah but you know even just
[4:18:37] roads to maintain water lines to
[4:18:39] maintain parks to maintain we're you
[4:18:42] know
[4:18:44] all of that goes up
[4:18:46] >> but then we have impact fees and I mean
[4:18:48] it all it all circles that
[4:18:53] >> is the option you could do
[4:18:56] propose go into the deficit there for
[4:18:58] that but I guess that's the difference
[4:19:01] here is we're proposing to try and not
[4:19:03] go into the deficit like it has been in
[4:19:05] the past
[4:19:06] >> or at the very least making sure you
[4:19:07] guys are fully aware of the deficit that
[4:19:10] we're operating in.
[4:19:12] >> I guess
[4:19:16] » but [clears throat] you do think that
[4:19:18] there will be monies that we were
[4:19:19] brought brought over and it'll increase
[4:19:21] that fund
[4:19:23] >> from 2026.
[4:19:26] >> Yeah, we're not going to spend 100%.
[4:19:28] That's for sure.
[4:19:29] >> Yeah. And there's e, you know, even in
[4:19:30] talking with department heads since this
[4:19:32] has come out, they're like, "Yeah, what
[4:19:34] if we do no more spending for this year,
[4:19:36] you know, on certain lines like what can
[4:19:39] we do to help,
[4:19:41] >> you know, supplement that into next
[4:19:42] year?" Because it will just go into the
[4:19:44] general fund. So, you know, based on
[4:19:46] that, if we wanted to do a projection of
[4:19:48] how much will be unexpended rolling into
[4:19:50] general fund at the end of this year 26,
[4:19:53] I plan on using that rather than like
[4:19:56] necessarily dipping into the 2.4, four,
[4:19:58] but using what would be unexpended from
[4:20:01] 26. We could look into using
[4:20:04] >> some of those monies
[4:20:05] >> and I could it would be rough. It
[4:20:08] wouldn't be an exact because I don't
[4:20:09] know what they're going to spend, but we
[4:20:10] could get you a number that's closeish.
[4:20:18] » You were also going to look at how much
[4:20:21] we can keep in that general fund in
[4:20:22] excess, right? You said 35%.
[4:20:25] >> Yes. Is the 15 putting the $15 million in
[4:20:30] there is that gonna
[4:20:31] >> put us over right.
[4:20:32] >> Yes.
[4:20:36] » We may have to take that money and
[4:20:38] ponder the rest of this [laughter]
[4:20:41] >> is limit.
[4:20:42] >> What's our next steps?
[4:20:43] >> So I think just if I can get some
[4:20:45] direction on
[4:20:47] what you guys would want to see changes
[4:20:50] like if you want to see what okay what
[4:20:51] does it look like if we invest? What
[4:20:53] does it look like without a cola? What
[4:20:54] does it look like with the partial cola?
[4:20:56] What does it look like with, you know,
[4:20:59] are you wanting to see some of the
[4:21:01] onetime asks that some of the
[4:21:02] departments have and consider those for
[4:21:05] $18 million spending or not? Just kind
[4:21:07] of give me a direction and then I can
[4:21:09] prepare it and I'll present it again
[4:21:12] with those different
[4:21:13] >> all those things.
[4:21:14] >> Yeah, that's what I was just going to
[4:21:15] say. So, all these
[4:21:16] >> we talked about every one of those plus
[4:21:18] a few others.
[4:21:20] >> Okay.
[4:21:22] >> It's a step the right direction, don't
[4:21:23] you think? Yeah,
[4:21:24] >> that like that puts us in front of
[4:21:26] >> and I think we can all come up with
[4:21:27] ideas. I mean, anything that we have
[4:21:29] too, we could
[4:21:30] >> Dad, if you want to stop by and visit,
[4:21:33] have a ideas or want to come play with
[4:21:36] >> or we can send that to you.
[4:21:39] >> We have a we have a pretty full slate
[4:21:42] coming up in this next meeting, right?
[4:21:44] >> We always do. Well, no, but there's no way we can discuss this in
[4:21:49] the next meeting, but we need to decide
[4:21:52] by the second, right? Is that
[4:21:54] >> second meeting of June?
[4:21:55] >> The second meeting in June.
[4:21:58] >> But we will we have to notice public
[4:22:01] hearing.
[4:22:03] >> Yeah.
[4:22:06] >> Or is that after
[4:22:11] » how many days? Is that a 30-day notice
[4:22:13] or what is a notice?
[4:22:14] >> Yeah. So we have to adopt our final
[4:22:16] budget by June 17th which is the second
[4:22:19] meeting in June.
[4:22:21] >> When do we have to announce the hearing
[4:22:23] of the amount?
[4:22:24] >> Yeah, it's walk back the dates.
[4:22:26] >> Walk walk back from the date when
[4:22:28] >> Yeah, it's like I need to verify. I want
[4:22:31] to say it's like 14 days because we'd
[4:22:33] have to have a public hearing
[4:22:36] prior to like adopting the
[4:22:40] >> interim. Sorry, it's not the final. It
[4:22:42] would be an interim budget um to start
[4:22:46] functioning fiscal year 27 under while
[4:22:49] we went through and finished the truth
[4:22:50] and taxation process and went through
[4:22:52] that public hearing in August. But we
[4:22:54] need to do the regular public hearing,
[4:22:56] not just the increase that's being
[4:22:58] proposed.
[4:23:00] >> You would have to do that know that at
[4:23:02] least the tax
[4:23:03] >> we need it in May by the end of May so
[4:23:06] you can get the notice. [snorts]
[4:23:09] Any
[4:23:17] other direction for Aspen?
[4:23:20] >> A lot of ass. Thank you. Yeah,
[4:23:22] >> we appreciate it. Everybody's awesome.
[4:23:27] >> It's not fun.
[4:23:28] >> But good job. Thank you for what you're
[4:23:30] doing. [clears throat]
[4:23:32] >> Thank you.
[4:23:35] It' be great to see all that as
[4:23:39] >> Yeah.
[4:23:43] » Okay. I think we can close agenda item
[4:23:46] number two
[4:23:51] and
[4:23:53] return to item number one, discussion of
[4:23:56] the memorandum of understanding with the
[4:23:58] Tilla County School District. It is
[4:24:00] getting late.
[4:24:02] anything we want to talk about that
[4:24:04] tonight or
[4:24:08] » I can make a motion we table it.
[4:24:11] >> I would just like to ask the question if
[4:24:13] we did sell the city park to school
[4:24:16] district what would they what would they
[4:24:17] offer us for the entire thing and could
[4:24:20] we have an agreement until we replace
[4:24:23] it?
[4:24:24] >> We would have to we could utilize it.
[4:24:27] >> Yeah. until we we find a way in which we
[4:24:29] could replace
[4:24:33] » and that they could utilize it until
[4:24:35] they until it's entirely theirs.
[4:24:38] >> I just feel like everything is like
[4:24:40] speculative because they said they were
[4:24:41] going to buy it, then they said they're
[4:24:42] not going to buy it. So, we don't know
[4:24:43] what to do. So, we know what we what the
[4:24:46] options are, but like we could sit here
[4:24:47] and talk about it, but we don't know.
[4:24:49] But,
[4:24:49] >> we did in a month time we do an
[4:24:51] appraisal and it really wasn't that
[4:24:52] much. Well,
[4:24:55] that wasn't
[4:24:57] I think it was just that.
[4:24:59] >> Yeah,
[4:25:00] >> that was
[4:25:07] » I mean it's improved the land so it's
[4:25:09] got to go off and approved approve
[4:25:11] improved.
[4:25:13] >> I just think we're kind of kind of a
[4:25:14] rock and a hard place because we we
[4:25:16] obviously want them to pay us but we
[4:25:17] obviously need the kids to have the
[4:25:18] facility. So like it would be great
[4:25:19] since hey you have to pay us if they say
[4:25:22] no then our kids have to leave.
[4:25:23] >> Exciting.
[4:25:25] >> Thank you.
[4:25:31] I know I already heard from a couple
[4:25:32] parents very concerned about that.
[4:25:35] >> Yeah,
[4:25:36] >> it's a huge
[4:25:38] >> but
[4:25:38] >> my wife's one of those.
[4:25:40] >> Yeah, I'm one of those.
[4:25:42] >> I that's the last thing I want. But
[4:25:45] [snorts] I feel like if we don't try to
[4:25:48] come to a better
[4:25:51] >> agreement, um nothing's ever going to
[4:25:53] change. just like nothing has ever
[4:25:55] changed.
[4:25:56] >> And it's interesting how like Yeah. I
[4:26:00] mean,
[4:26:03] how coaches feel about it was kind of
[4:26:06] really more more the interesting thing
[4:26:08] to me. They've just had to hassle with
[4:26:09] it so long that they're just like, "Can
[4:26:11] you guys just
[4:26:12] >> do can you figure out how to solve this?
[4:26:15] >> Do you guys do you guys think that if we
[4:26:18] sold it to the school that might push
[4:26:21] kick the can down the road on a new high
[4:26:22] school?" Yes,
[4:26:24] but the like I said the word was two
[4:26:28] years ago 2028. Now the word is and
[4:26:32] obviously these are just things that
[4:26:33] board members are just spitting out or
[4:26:35] staff or whatever but now they're saying
[4:26:38] 8 to 10 years
[4:26:40] regardless.
[4:26:41] >> I mean I think they'd have to really
[4:26:42] think that through. They'd have to build
[4:26:45] they have to design a new structure and
[4:26:47] probably build the one next to it. like
[4:26:49] there's going to be a displacement and
[4:26:51] it would be easier for them just to
[4:26:52] build somewhere else and dis and just
[4:26:55] shift everybody over to the new school
[4:26:57] and then turn it into a junior high or
[4:26:59] something versus
[4:27:01] >> try to build try to build a yeah go
[4:27:03] vertical with that building or knock
[4:27:06] part of it down or and then the other
[4:27:08] component there is
[4:27:10] that Cherry Street probably would have
[4:27:13] to be redesigned in that process and I
[4:27:16] don't know if that's that's a PNZ
[4:27:17] question that I didn't even know if we
[4:27:19] could entertain. But um
[4:27:24] but yeah, I it's I don't know if it's an
[4:27:27] option or the option or not an option,
[4:27:30] but um
[4:27:34] the the issue is not going away. So, and
[4:27:38] I think that's why it's been on on you know last year was
[4:27:46] it last year or the year before they
[4:27:47] purchased the Dow James Park which had
[4:27:50] same similar issue. So the school
[4:27:52] district did purchase that park. So they
[4:27:54] they've you know set a precedence that
[4:27:56] there you know can do that.
[4:27:59] Um it's just
[4:28:02] how how the community softball field
[4:28:05] as well. Yeah,
[4:28:08] >> but it's designated now as
[4:28:10] >> the Tula High School softball field.
[4:28:13] Correct.
[4:28:13] >> And then the other fields around it
[4:28:15] >> are city fields.
[4:28:17] [clears throat]
[4:28:25] » I don't know. I don't know the answer to
[4:28:27] this one either. I mean, we can we can
[4:28:29] table this and push it into the next
[4:28:31] meeting, but I I
[4:28:35] the request was if you have a proposal
[4:28:37] and you want to put a proposal together
[4:28:39] and get us something that we can review
[4:28:41] and look at, then we we'll look at that.
[4:28:45] Um, but we have, you know, we've got to
[4:28:49] put a band-aid on the problem to look
[4:28:52] towards a long-term solution. the
[4:28:54] long-term solution. I don't know if
[4:28:55] those two are tie tie it together or
[4:28:58] pull it, you know, or go to two two
[4:29:01] different directions.
[4:29:03] So, but we don't have a memorandum of
[4:29:06] understanding in place currently. And if
[4:29:08] we are going to have conversation that
[4:29:12] to allow the school district to use that
[4:29:14] property next year, we have to at a
[4:29:15] minimum at least have that in my
[4:29:17] opinion.
[4:29:19] Will you resend that? I'm
[4:29:21] >> running.
[4:29:26] I don't like this.
[4:29:31] » Okay. Are we ready to close that
[4:29:32] discussion? Okay. We're going to close
[4:29:35] agenda item number one or two or
[4:29:37] whatever you want to call it. Um I need
[4:29:40] a motion to adjurnn.
[4:29:43] >> Mayor, I'll make a motion.
[4:29:45] >> I'll second the motion.
[4:29:46] >> All right. All in favor? Hi. Hi.
[4:29:53] » Thank you everyone.
[4:30:00] Beautiful.