1 00:00:04,560 --> 00:00:18,870 instead. 2 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:46,790 » Yes. 3 00:00:46,800 --> 00:01:00,630 I put on Here's the one I use. 4 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:29,429 Security 5 00:01:29,439 --> 00:01:42,550 to 6 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:53,190 Sorry. 7 00:01:53,200 --> 00:02:02,709 And then 8 00:02:02,719 --> 00:02:25,270 it's clear. 9 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:46,229 to be 10 00:02:46,239 --> 00:03:01,190 another cookie. 11 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:47,270 Yep. 12 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:52,710 I hadn't seen Unless 13 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,440 » he 14 00:03:55,440 --> 00:04:00,149 was I don't see him here tonight. 15 00:04:00,159 --> 00:04:03,910 » My bad. 16 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:11,990 » He's gonna be so happy on Wednesday. 17 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,319 Okay, we are back in an open session and 18 00:04:14,319 --> 00:04:18,799 the time is 7:10 7:09 p.m. Um, we will 19 00:04:18,799 --> 00:04:20,560 start with a pledge of allegiance. If 20 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:29,430 you would please stand. 21 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,800 I pledge algiance to the flag of the 22 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,680 United States of America and to the 23 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,120 republic for which it stands. One nation 24 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,479 under God, indivisible, with liberty and 25 00:04:42,479 --> 00:04:53,270 justice for all. 26 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:55,040 » Thank you all very much for being here. 27 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,000 I just want to put in one small plug. On 28 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,880 Friday morning at 9:00 a.m., the city 29 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:06,639 will be placing flags at the cemetery on those headstones of those who have 30 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:09,039 served our country. And we are um very 31 00:05:09,039 --> 00:05:10,880 open to having volunteers come and help 32 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,360 place those flags. There'll be maps and 33 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:18,160 the flags and you can place those. Um it actually is a very humbling 34 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,160 experience. So, if anybody is available 35 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,400 Friday at 9:00 am, we would greatly 36 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,800 appreciate your help. 37 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,919 Um we will start our meeting 38 00:05:27,919 --> 00:05:30,720 um with public comment. Um the floor is 39 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,240 open to the public to bring their 40 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:39,749 concerns to the council. 41 00:05:39,759 --> 00:05:41,520 » Uh good evening mayor, council members. 42 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,360 My name is Kevin Casey, concerned 43 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,600 citizen. I want to speak directly to the 44 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,280 process being used around this budget 45 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:49,759 and proposed property tax increase. The 46 00:05:49,759 --> 00:05:51,600 issue is not just the budget and tax 47 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,280 increase. The issue is how this process 48 00:05:53,280 --> 00:05:55,680 is being manipulated. Gransville City's 49 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,600 own website says regular city council 50 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:58,960 meetings are normally held on the first 51 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:00,720 and third Wednesdays at 7 p.m. unless 52 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,880 otherwise noticed. May 20th was the 53 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,639 normal third Wednesday meeting date. 54 00:06:04,639 --> 00:06:06,800 Instead, this meeting was rescheduled to 55 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,520 tonight. The Utah public notice website 56 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,199 shows the rescheduled meeting notice, 57 00:06:11,199 --> 00:06:13,600 agenda, council packet, and property tax 58 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,360 impact materials were not posted until 59 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,639 after 7 p.m. on Friday, May 15th. So 60 00:06:18,639 --> 00:06:20,160 residents were given a Friday night 61 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,960 posting, a weekend review window, and 62 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,120 then a Monday evening meeting on a major 63 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,680 budget and property tax issue that may 64 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,680 satisfy the bare minimum legal notice 65 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,919 requirement, but minimum legal notice is 66 00:06:31,919 --> 00:06:33,840 not the same thing as meaningful public 67 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:36,240 notice. This bureaucratic statutory 68 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,720 gainsmanship at its finest, and the 69 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,720 substance is just as troubling. The 70 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,120 agenda says the FY27 budget discussion 71 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,120 is a discussion item only with no action 72 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,199 and no public comment during that item. 73 00:06:47,199 --> 00:06:49,039 But immediately after that, the agenda 74 00:06:49,039 --> 00:06:50,479 includes presentation of the proposed 75 00:06:50,479 --> 00:06:52,160 property tax impact schedule and 76 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,120 consideration of resolution 202637 77 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:56,960 declaring the city's intent to consider 78 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,880 increasing property tax revenue above 79 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,800 the certified tax rate for fiscal year 80 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,319 27. But the FY27 tenative budget already 81 00:07:04,319 --> 00:07:06,639 appears to include the proposed property 82 00:07:06,639 --> 00:07:09,599 tax increase. The FY26 approved budget 83 00:07:09,599 --> 00:07:11,199 shows a current property tax revenue at 84 00:07:11,199 --> 00:07:15,120 about 2.08 million. The FY27 tentative 85 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:16,560 budget shows current property tax 86 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,840 revenue at about 3.83. That is roughly 87 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,880 an 84% increase already sitting in the 88 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,880 revenue column before the residents have 89 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:26,479 had the final truth and taxation 90 00:07:26,479 --> 00:07:29,520 hearing. Coincidence? So residents are 91 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:30,960 not being handed a clean public 92 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:32,880 question. They're being handed a budget 93 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,639 already built around the answer the city 94 00:07:34,639 --> 00:07:37,759 hall wants. The bureaucracy baked it in. 95 00:07:37,759 --> 00:07:39,759 The council is expected to move the 96 00:07:39,759 --> 00:07:41,840 machinery forward. the taxpayers are 97 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,120 expected to fund it. That's backwards. A 98 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:46,560 responsible budget would start with the 99 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,080 certified tax rate. It would show 100 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:49,759 residents what the city can afford with 101 00:07:49,759 --> 00:07:51,840 the money it already receives. Then, if 102 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,160 the city wants more, it should justify 103 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,479 every additional dollar separately. 104 00:07:56,479 --> 00:07:58,240 Instead, this budget starts with the 105 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,479 appetite and then ask us, the taxpayers, 106 00:08:00,479 --> 00:08:02,800 to feed it. I'm asking the council not 107 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,360 to reward this process or this behavior. 108 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:06,960 Do not move this forward as though 109 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:08,960 Friday night posting, a weekend notice, 110 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,120 a no comment budget discussion, and an 111 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,039 already inflated revenue column are 112 00:08:13,039 --> 00:08:14,800 enough for a major property tax 113 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,280 increase. Slow it down. Show the 114 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:18,720 certified tax rate version of the 115 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:20,720 budget. Show the version with the 116 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,280 proposed tax increase. Show exactly what 117 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,360 was cut, what was frozen, what was 118 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,039 reduced, and what was rejected before 119 00:08:27,039 --> 00:08:29,680 asking residents for more money. Because 120 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,520 this is not just about whether the city 121 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,680 can legally notice a meeting. It's about 122 00:08:33,680 --> 00:08:35,120 whether residents are being given a 123 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:36,959 meaningful chance to understand, 124 00:08:36,959 --> 00:08:38,800 question, and challenge the budget 125 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,479 before the machinery is already in 126 00:08:40,479 --> 00:08:43,279 motion. Minimum compliance is not 127 00:08:43,279 --> 00:08:45,760 transparency, and residents should not 128 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,600 be treated like an afterthought in a 129 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,839 process they're being asked to fund. 130 00:08:49,839 --> 00:08:51,600 Thank you. 131 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,000 >> Thank you. Any additional public 132 00:08:54,000 --> 00:09:04,870 comments? 133 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,000 Please state your name. 134 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,880 >> I'm Michelle Marriott. I would just like 135 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,600 to read the letter that I emailed y'all 136 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,600 earlier today. 137 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,440 Um, 138 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,279 this letter is to express concerns 139 00:09:17,279 --> 00:09:18,959 regarding the resoning and general plan 140 00:09:18,959 --> 00:09:21,360 amendments for the parcels for that 141 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,120 Wellington subdivision, which I don't 142 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,680 know the agenda numbers on them. 143 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:27,519 Um, 144 00:09:27,519 --> 00:09:29,920 we're concerned about this and other 145 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:31,120 properties looking to be changed to 146 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,279 higher density zoning. Growth is 147 00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:34,800 inevitable, but it must be approached 148 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:36,480 thoughtfully and responsibly to preserve 149 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,480 the livability, infrastructure, and the 150 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:39,839 values of the people that live in our 151 00:09:39,839 --> 00:09:42,080 town. The council has already approved 152 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,640 many highdensity lots and homes. 153 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,320 Expanding beyond these limits places 154 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,399 unnecessary strain on services such as 155 00:09:48,399 --> 00:09:50,720 roads, schools, emergency services, and 156 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,880 most importantly, water. Many of the 157 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:54,399 residents here are already feeling the 158 00:09:54,399 --> 00:09:56,240 impact of rapid growth beyond what we 159 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,160 feel is reasonable. Slowing down the 160 00:09:58,160 --> 00:09:59,360 growth is not opposing growth 161 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,440 altogether, but we do not feel like we 162 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:02,720 need to double the size of these 163 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,640 subdivisions by changing the existing 164 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,880 zoning. At the planning and zoning 165 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,480 meeting regarding these same items, the 166 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,959 developer proposed a subdivision of the 167 00:10:10,959 --> 00:10:12,240 proposed subdivision got up and 168 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,240 explained why doubling the density of 169 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:15,600 the current zoning made sense for 170 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,120 affordability. He explained that the 171 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:18,880 quarteracre lot saves an average of 172 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,440 $80,000 on each home, making it more 173 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,200 attainable to people. But we'd like to 174 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,760 point out that a $750,000 home is not 175 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,240 affordable housing. So, we do not need 176 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,320 to use that kind of verbiage. We would 177 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:31,600 also like to bring to the council's 178 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,760 attention that saving $80,000 is where 179 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,040 the developers are at. They could bring 180 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,120 the square footage of each home down by 181 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,200 500 square feet at a very conservative 182 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,079 $150 a square foot would save that same 183 00:10:42,079 --> 00:10:44,800 $80,000 and give each homeo home 184 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,040 homeowner at halfacre of land instead. 185 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:48,399 People aren't moving to Grantsville to 186 00:10:48,399 --> 00:10:50,240 be crammed into tiny lots. They're 187 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:51,680 coming out here for a slower pace, 188 00:10:51,680 --> 00:10:53,200 neighbors who care, and a little space 189 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,120 to stretch out. If you talk to people 190 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:56,560 who have recently moved here, that's why 191 00:10:56,560 --> 00:10:58,240 they came, not because it's affordable, 192 00:10:58,240 --> 00:10:59,519 because we've moved way past being 193 00:10:59,519 --> 00:11:01,040 affordable with all the development 194 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,200 that's already been allowed. 195 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:04,880 Now we can discuss water needed for 196 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:06,640 these homes. I don't know how there's 197 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,320 enough water shares of grants for 198 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:09,680 irrigation to support this kind of 199 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:12,240 growth, not to mention drinking water. 200 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:13,920 Does every home in these developments 201 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,920 need one share of irrigation water? And 202 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,600 how many shares of the green spaces 203 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,680 need? If you listen to the residents of 204 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:20,959 Gransville City and not to the 205 00:11:20,959 --> 00:11:22,560 developers who don't even live here, you 206 00:11:22,560 --> 00:11:24,079 will hear that most of us do not want 207 00:11:24,079 --> 00:11:26,320 these highdensity housing developments. 208 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:27,680 We can make our community nice with 209 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:29,519 bigger lots and smaller houses. We owe 210 00:11:29,519 --> 00:11:30,959 nothing to these developers who just 211 00:11:30,959 --> 00:11:32,800 want to sell the most homes and move on 212 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:34,880 to the next development. Let's try not 213 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:36,959 to turn Grantsville into daybreak. Those 214 00:11:36,959 --> 00:11:39,040 who of us who currently live here do not 215 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:40,880 want to live in a busy city. We like the 216 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,880 rural fill of our town. We're not 217 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,160 against growth, but we're against 218 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,160 growing too big too fast. This is not 219 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,600 resisting change altogether. It's 220 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:49,200 ensuring that our growth is aligned with 221 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,200 both infrastructure and the desires of 222 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:52,959 our community. There is no reason we 223 00:11:52,959 --> 00:11:54,800 need to double our population in a brief 224 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,160 time instead of making conscious 225 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,399 decisions about our future. The council 226 00:11:58,399 --> 00:12:00,880 has already approved highdensity areas 227 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,920 in and the res more highdensity areas 228 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,600 than the residents are comfortable with, 229 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,440 but they slid by because we've all been 230 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,279 asleep. We assume that the council had 231 00:12:09,279 --> 00:12:11,120 our best interest in mind when they made 232 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:12,959 these decisions 233 00:12:12,959 --> 00:12:15,200 and how we feel as a community. But now 234 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:16,639 we can see where we're headed and we're 235 00:12:16,639 --> 00:12:18,399 concerned and we're awake. We're 236 00:12:18,399 --> 00:12:20,160 respectfully urging the council to 237 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,560 adhere to the existing general plan and 238 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:25,200 zoning, reconsider or limit highdensity 239 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,440 housing proposals, evaluate the current 240 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,040 and future infrastructure capacity 241 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,040 before approving additional development, 242 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:32,880 and prioritize policies that protect and 243 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,320 preserve the rural character of our 244 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,720 community. Thank you. And it was signed 245 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,880 by I put this on on Monday morning cuz 246 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:42,320 it was for the first time this was 247 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,959 planned and we had 200 and some odd 248 00:12:44,959 --> 00:12:48,399 signatures in like 48 hours. So, people 249 00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:50,800 are concerned. They They're tired of the 250 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:52,000 high density stuff. 251 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,720 >> Thank you. 252 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:59,350 >> Any other comments? 253 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:00,480 » Hello. 254 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,040 >> Hi. Good to see you all. Appreciate the 255 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,120 time. I know there's a lot of important 256 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:06,880 things going on. And just 257 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:07,839 >> state your name though, just for the 258 00:13:07,839 --> 00:13:08,240 record. 259 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,079 >> My name is Grant Sonata, public health 260 00:13:10,079 --> 00:13:12,720 director for Tula County. And appreciate 261 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,320 working with Britney Skinner on our 262 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,720 board of health. which I had presented 263 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,040 about a survey opportunity and something 264 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,120 that Utah State University's Dr. 265 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,279 Courtney Flint has led for a number of 266 00:13:23,279 --> 00:13:25,760 years and encouraged cities and towns in 267 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:27,760 our county to consider participating in 268 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,160 the survey. It's something that uh they 269 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:31,680 say, you know, the way they describe it 270 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:34,639 is can help um residents uh kind of 271 00:13:34,639 --> 00:13:36,639 inform the planning process around 272 00:13:36,639 --> 00:13:39,360 health issues and make those decisions. 273 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,440 And it's it's a survey that takes about 274 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,160 10 minutes. And the reason a few reasons 275 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,560 I was impressed with it is it not only 276 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:48,880 has people rate um what their personal 277 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:50,240 well-being is, their emotional 278 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,000 well-being is but also a variety of 279 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,040 other topics that so they can we can see 280 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,519 what is it that's not only um 281 00:13:57,519 --> 00:13:59,839 influencing well-being but what aspects 282 00:13:59,839 --> 00:14:01,600 of those well-being are most important 283 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,480 to our uh citizens. So for example, 284 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,600 Draper they rated uh living standards 285 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,320 being high but also that being important 286 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,720 to them at the same time. uh local 287 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,560 environmental quality they rate it as 288 00:14:14,560 --> 00:14:17,120 low and very important compared to 289 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,519 something like cultural opportunities as 290 00:14:19,519 --> 00:14:22,800 low but not as important. So it can it's 291 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:24,800 again if you can take a look at those 292 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,120 how the the the rating for that 293 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,440 well-being versus how important it is 294 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:30,959 overall for the community can really 295 00:14:30,959 --> 00:14:35,120 help us decide you know from a health department perspective which of 296 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,040 our programs should we really emphasize 297 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,440 or maybe seek more funding for and then 298 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,000 as a council you can decide what local 299 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,040 activities events um community things 300 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,639 are really most important to the 301 00:14:46,639 --> 00:14:48,399 community and should be priorities now 302 00:14:48,399 --> 00:14:50,639 versus later. Other things are really 303 00:14:50,639 --> 00:14:52,320 helpful too. It has shown that 304 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,120 recreation uh has is associated with 305 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,600 higher levels of community connection. 306 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,839 uh you might know 307 00:14:59,839 --> 00:15:01,680 um because of the previous surgeon 308 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,440 general has highlighted we have an 309 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,240 epidemic of disconnection and loneliness 310 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,680 and so community events walking biking a 311 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,959 whole list of things have been related 312 00:15:12,959 --> 00:15:15,360 to that community connection. Generally 313 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,040 we know that but it's nice to also 314 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,519 document it too right to quantify that. 315 00:15:19,519 --> 00:15:22,079 Um so they ask questions as well about 316 00:15:22,079 --> 00:15:24,399 like I said well-being domains uh 317 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:27,199 recreation travel barriers, population 318 00:15:27,199 --> 00:15:29,519 economic growth perceptions. Um those 319 00:15:29,519 --> 00:15:32,079 are rating based. They rate um on a 320 00:15:32,079 --> 00:15:34,240 scale but then also ask some open-ended 321 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,079 questions and they we've they've noted 322 00:15:36,079 --> 00:15:39,040 that usually 60 to 70% of responses have 323 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,040 those things like what can be done to 324 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:42,880 improve support or opportunities for 325 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:44,480 individuals with disabilities in our 326 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,199 city? Um, are there any aspects of the 327 00:15:47,199 --> 00:15:48,880 local economy you'd like to see change 328 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,360 the next five years? Um, any aspects of 329 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,519 local environmental quality um that you 330 00:15:53,519 --> 00:15:54,959 feel pose a significant threat to 331 00:15:54,959 --> 00:15:56,399 well-being? Again, these are things 332 00:15:56,399 --> 00:15:58,240 where we might see the rating here or 333 00:15:58,240 --> 00:15:59,920 there, but then what is that? So, 334 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:02,320 Draper, it ended up being related to 335 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,800 dust from some of the gravel pits. And 336 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,360 so, um, it's something that each 337 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,199 community can say, oh, what is it that's 338 00:16:09,199 --> 00:16:12,320 really influencing high low ratings? And 339 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,560 again, how can we prioritize our limited 340 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,600 resources to help benefit physical and 341 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,519 emotional well-being of our communities? 342 00:16:19,519 --> 00:16:21,680 Um, I do have some flyers for that. It 343 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,399 is spec uh one version is specific to 344 00:16:24,399 --> 00:16:27,040 Grantsville and we have four other 345 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,120 cities and towns in Tela County that 346 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:30,560 have signed up as well and we have 347 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,639 distinct but overlapping surveys for 348 00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:34,639 each one. So, you'll get a distinct 349 00:16:34,639 --> 00:16:37,199 report for yours. Dr. Flynn's um able to 350 00:16:37,199 --> 00:16:38,959 come and give a formal presentation to 351 00:16:38,959 --> 00:16:41,519 you. When that's done, it will close uh 352 00:16:41,519 --> 00:16:43,120 first week of June. So, we just have 353 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,360 that this little window to participate. 354 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:45,680 So, 355 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:46,000 >> okay. 356 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,360 >> I have some copies for you. 357 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,759 >> This is available. Would you just state 358 00:16:49,759 --> 00:16:51,279 for the public where they would find 359 00:16:51,279 --> 00:16:52,079 this? 360 00:16:52,079 --> 00:16:54,639 >> So, we'll have this posted uh tomorrow 361 00:16:54,639 --> 00:16:59,509 on our website, health.tilla.gov. 362 00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:02,720 And uh if you can hear this real quick, 363 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,949 tinyurl.comgrantsville2026 364 00:17:06,959 --> 00:17:08,959 that's on the recording. I do have again 365 00:17:08,959 --> 00:17:10,720 have those flyers too. 366 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,280 >> Also on our Facebook and share 367 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:14,640 >> and I think we're putting on our website 368 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,600 too where we Yes, I think we too 369 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:18,559 >> on Grantsville City. 370 00:17:18,559 --> 00:17:20,480 >> Dr. Flint did give you kudos. You're the 371 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,160 last to sign up but now you have the 372 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,400 highest number of responses about 76 as 373 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:25,760 of uh two hours ago. 374 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,280 >> Wow. 375 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,280 >> Yeah. Minimum goal was about 50 to have 376 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,520 a really robust report but again of 377 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:32,880 course the more the marrier the better 378 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,160 the report. Um, and yeah, it uh that was 379 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,480 about that's some highlights again. So, 380 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,960 thanks again everyone for your support. 381 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:49,430 >> Appreciate it. 382 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,600 » Hi, I'm Joanne Jacobs and 383 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,480 I work in real estate a lot. I talk to a 384 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,720 lot of government people. 385 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:03,679 They have a typically an attitude that 386 00:18:03,679 --> 00:18:05,440 citizens are kind of whining and 387 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,200 complaining and kicking about things 388 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,520 like this in private. 389 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,360 But 390 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:17,600 please consider this. You have a time in 391 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,960 history where our incomes for a lot of 392 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,520 people are barely covering the 393 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,760 necessities of life. and to go and 394 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:30,720 double the freaking taxes on people's 395 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:32,720 homes, the place they need to raise 396 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,039 their family safely, the place where 397 00:18:35,039 --> 00:18:37,679 their children sleep at night. To just 398 00:18:37,679 --> 00:18:39,840 price them out of being able to be in 399 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,679 home ownership with taxes this high. 400 00:18:43,679 --> 00:18:47,679 This is insane. I can't even imagine 401 00:18:47,679 --> 00:18:49,600 most people being able to afford this 402 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,000 type of tax hike on their property. I 403 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,360 mean, please, seriously, think about 404 00:18:55,360 --> 00:18:58,080 this. A lot of people are barely getting 405 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,039 by. 406 00:19:01,039 --> 00:19:04,000 Thank you. 407 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,830 Additional comments. 408 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,080 » I'm Mara Spencer. I sent a letter in, so 409 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,160 I'm not going to reread it. um in 410 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,400 opposition to the Wellstone subdivision. 411 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,840 Um I think most of you were here when we 412 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,559 put the uh the master plan into effect 413 00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:22,960 and how long it took us to do the master 414 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,360 plan. When we did that, it took months 415 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:28,080 and a lot of money um to do that. And 416 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,880 there was a reason that anything south 417 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,600 of Derby Street was a halfacre. There's 418 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,360 a reason for that. the streets. We don't 419 00:19:37,360 --> 00:19:39,600 have the streets that are available to 420 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,400 take in another 400 homes or however 421 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,760 many on 140 acres. We don't have the 422 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,480 sewer and the water as she stated is a 423 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,280 real concern. We water shares when we 424 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,160 came out long time ago it was $200,000 425 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:58,720 or 200,000 um per share that we have 426 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,600 200,000 gallons per share. This year 427 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,400 it's 50,000. So, you take that and they 428 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,559 say, "Yes, we have water shares." That's 429 00:20:06,559 --> 00:20:09,200 great, but a water share is only as good 430 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,520 as the water that we have. And right 431 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,679 now, this year, we may make it, but I 432 00:20:13,679 --> 00:20:14,880 don't know about next year if we don't 433 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,559 get any. So, I would like you to 434 00:20:16,559 --> 00:20:19,600 consider that. And again, the time and 435 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,360 effort and the money that was put into 436 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:24,160 the master plan was pretty amazing. So, 437 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:25,440 that's it. Thank you. Thank you. 438 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:36,230 >> Thank you. 439 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:37,679 Well, I'm definitely not a public 440 00:20:37,679 --> 00:20:39,840 speaker. My name is Jeremy Ben Dixon. 441 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,600 And first of all, I just want to thank 442 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,440 y'all for doing this often times. 443 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,360 Thankless job. You only hear from us 444 00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:48,960 when we're mad or frustrated. And um I 445 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,480 think a lot of the citizens are feeling 446 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,720 that way right now. Speak for myself. I 447 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,679 am. Um, I wanted to thank you guys for 448 00:20:55,679 --> 00:20:58,240 taking into consideration the inspector 449 00:20:58,240 --> 00:20:59,840 for the water treatment plant, sewer 450 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,760 treatment plant, and going with the one 451 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,720 that was approximately $90,000 cheaper 452 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,440 that scored almost identical. 453 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,360 Personally, those are the reasons why I 454 00:21:09,360 --> 00:21:11,200 hired you guys, why I voted for you guys 455 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,200 to be in here, is to look out for the 456 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,559 best interest of us. We want, you know, 457 00:21:16,559 --> 00:21:18,400 we want a good quality inspector, but we 458 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,360 want to be responsible with the money um 459 00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:23,440 so that we're not in these bindings. And 460 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,600 thank you for doing that. Um as I 461 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,760 listened to that that night, I see no 462 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,600 reason why we wouldn't do that. So, 463 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:30,880 thank you for bringing that up and 464 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:35,200 making that happen. Um 465 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,240 84% for a tax increase. Um I know you're 466 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:39,440 going to hear it over and over again, 467 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,400 just get beat down, but that's pretty 468 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:43,919 ridiculous. I know there's been some 469 00:21:43,919 --> 00:21:46,880 proposals of a 5% over 5 years. It's a 470 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,080 lot more reasonable. Um, obviously we 471 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,760 got to the point where we are by not 472 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,120 increasing taxes, I think, for 473 00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:55,200 approximately 17 years, which we 474 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,120 probably do need to do some increases, 475 00:21:57,120 --> 00:21:58,880 but I think we need to consider that 476 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,360 before we're doing all the spending of 477 00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:03,360 such 20 million for a park than in my 478 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:04,720 opinion would have been better off spent 479 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,559 on our water treatment plant, reduce the 480 00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:08,480 prices of that. That now is going to 481 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,039 require additional workers to maintain 482 00:22:11,039 --> 00:22:13,919 and keep that up. Um, everybody has to 483 00:22:13,919 --> 00:22:16,320 use the restroom. A lot of us don't use 484 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,799 the parks. They're nice, but not a 485 00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:23,600 necessity. Um, this one too, I know it's 486 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,080 going to be a thorn in our side for a 487 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,640 long time. The 500,000 for Soulbergs. 488 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,640 I'm you know, I don't know exactly. I 489 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,440 know you guys were on the board or in 490 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,080 office when that decision was made. 100% 491 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,400 disagree with it. the prices and 492 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,159 everything goes on the citizens to cover 493 00:22:40,159 --> 00:22:42,640 those impacts. And I don't know about 494 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,080 you guys, but I'm pretty sure they make 495 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,559 a lot more money than I do a year. Um, 496 00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:50,480 I'm just going to ask you to, you know, 497 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,200 put the brakes on spending. And I mean, 498 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,760 for my own my own bills, if I overspend, 499 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,120 I don't go to work and say, "Hey, I need 500 00:22:57,120 --> 00:22:59,919 a raise. Give me more money. I've 501 00:22:59,919 --> 00:23:02,320 overspent. I need you to pay me more." 502 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:03,600 You're going to say, "You're crazy." And 503 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,080 I think if we look at our budget similar 504 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,480 to the way we do ours at home, we could 505 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,320 be a little bit better off. And you 506 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,240 know, if the city employees are putting 507 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:13,760 forth these budgets that are kind of 508 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,840 crazy and overrated, 509 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,039 you know, this is where I hope that you 510 00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:18,880 guys will step in and and do some of 511 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,880 these considerations to cut the 512 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,600 spending, get things under control, take 513 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,840 care of our needs, and then we can start 514 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,880 going after wants after that. Thanks. 515 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,120 >> Thank you. 516 00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:40,070 Anyone 517 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,360 online that would like to make a 518 00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:42,400 comment? 519 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:43,760 >> We do have Lisa. 520 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,080 >> Okay. 521 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,320 >> Hi. Can you hear me? 522 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:49,520 >> Yes. 523 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,200 >> Okay. Um Lisa Lingwell and I live on 189 524 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,760 East um Elizabeth Cove. So, my backyard 525 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,679 actually 526 00:23:59,679 --> 00:24:02,720 co coincides with Quirk and Pear where 527 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,840 the new Willing Stone Wellington um 528 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,120 subdivision is going. And I just want to 529 00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:11,279 first of all, I want to reiterate 530 00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:13,039 everything that everyone has said about 531 00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:16,880 the tax hike. I don't know how anybody 532 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:25,440 is okay with this and and how you as a council thinks that as a community 533 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,799 we can all pay these extra fees that are 534 00:24:28,799 --> 00:24:31,600 so ridiculous and 535 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,919 um second of all as far as the 536 00:24:33,919 --> 00:24:36,640 Wellington community goes I don't 537 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,559 understand why this would even be 538 00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:41,840 considered when you know the developer 539 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,720 could have gone and boughten a community 540 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,840 or a development area where it didn't 541 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,559 have half acre lots, where it had a 542 00:24:50,559 --> 00:24:52,880 third to a/4 acre lots because I know 543 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,520 that there's there's those areas out 544 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,559 there. And so I'm really begging you to 545 00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:01,120 not because this will directly impact 546 00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:02,640 the 547 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,640 traffic on Quirk and the um 548 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,120 infrastructure is just not there. water 549 00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:12,960 is not there. And I just want to really 550 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,039 strongly 551 00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:18,080 let you know how against this we as a 552 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,520 community and I've heard it from 553 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,320 everyone around that we are about about 554 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:27,120 changing the zoning on this and um that 555 00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:28,799 that's pretty much everything I have to 556 00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:30,159 say. 557 00:25:30,159 --> 00:25:34,310 >> Thank you. 558 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,919 » Additional online comments, Alicia? 559 00:25:37,919 --> 00:25:40,159 Nobody yet. Do you want to remind them? 560 00:25:40,159 --> 00:25:41,840 >> Yes. If you are online and you would 561 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,360 like to make a comment, please raise 562 00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:54,630 your hand. 563 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,320 » Anybody else here in the audience that 564 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,760 would like to speak? 565 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,279 Hello. Been a while. Michael Panik. 566 00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:05,679 So, I've been out of the scene. trying 567 00:26:05,679 --> 00:26:07,440 to venture out doing my own thing for a 568 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,919 while. But I remember the last time I 569 00:26:09,919 --> 00:26:11,840 was in this 570 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:16,159 uh building, this council room with the 571 00:26:16,159 --> 00:26:18,880 budget and all the other stuff going on. 572 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,200 I really ask you council to let take a 573 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,000 look on what's on the books right now 574 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,799 and what kind of promises have been 575 00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:30,640 offered to developers and what have you 576 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,200 coming in because I know for a fact this 577 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,000 city has been stuck with over five to$6 578 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,679 million worth of deficit over promises 579 00:26:39,679 --> 00:26:42,240 and stuff that the developers were 580 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,120 supposed to pay for. Prime example, the 581 00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:46,480 three and a half million dollar water 582 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:51,360 tank going in up on uh Northstar 583 00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:53,200 back in 584 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,919 I think it was 2122 585 00:26:55,919 --> 00:26:58,880 the past mayor and Ivory Development had 586 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,640 an agreement where if they couldn't pass 587 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,440 life safe health safety that they were 588 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,679 supposed to be paying for that tank. I 589 00:27:05,679 --> 00:27:07,120 don't think anybody ever did any 590 00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:10,720 research. I brought it up one night and 591 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,559 I did the research. I had all the record 592 00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:14,240 and everything else. Well, a week later 593 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,720 it was passed there. Again, Scenic 594 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,679 Slopes. I know that's very true, dear to 595 00:27:19,679 --> 00:27:21,200 your heart, Heidi. 596 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,919 >> But we got stuck with that as a city 597 00:27:23,919 --> 00:27:25,760 because we was not holding these 598 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,640 developers accountable either through 599 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,760 the impact fees or through the promises 600 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,039 or the watchdog groups of watching when 601 00:27:35,039 --> 00:27:37,440 one land gets sell sold from one 602 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,080 developer to another. You know exactly 603 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,720 what happened with that. You look you 604 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,720 look at the past history. Everybody with 605 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,880 the exception of a few have been here 606 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,320 for over two years and know the history 607 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,080 on what's been happening with the 608 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,799 developers and the city. I don't think 609 00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:56,799 it's fair that the city coming in and 610 00:27:56,799 --> 00:28:00,720 asking for more rates on taxes when it's 611 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,880 our own stupidity 612 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,799 for being, 613 00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:07,279 you got know what I'm trying to say, by 614 00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:09,520 these developers. 615 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,600 They sell out. Somebody else comes 616 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,320 through. We're 617 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,080 underst staffed there for a while. We 618 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,520 didn't have a city manager. We didn't 619 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,679 have a city attorney. And we got 620 00:28:19,679 --> 00:28:22,640 railroad. 621 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,360 That's please I guess that's all I'm 622 00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:28,080 asking is please have the due diligence 623 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,679 and say wait we're we're being we're 624 00:28:31,679 --> 00:28:34,240 being screwed by these developers. I I 625 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,720 know right and you guys know exactly 626 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,840 what I'm talking about. There's 5 to7 627 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,240 million that could have been in this 628 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,080 city's budget but we got stuff paying 629 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,399 for and now we've got to ask for a rate 630 00:28:46,399 --> 00:28:49,520 increase. I don't think that's fair. So, 631 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,440 please look at what is back there 632 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,440 and what these developers are doing to 633 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,399 us, waving impact fees. 634 00:28:58,399 --> 00:29:00,240 That's It's not fair to It's not fair to 635 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,360 us residents. Thank you. 636 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:14,549 >> Thank you. Anyone else? 637 00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:18,240 » My name is Britney Cobell. um resident 638 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:23,120 living here 12 years. Um seeing mom 639 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,159 um all these 640 00:29:26,159 --> 00:29:29,120 tax increases and 641 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,320 bills that keep going up and groceries 642 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,960 going up and gas going up and all the 643 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,200 things. Um it makes it real hard to live 644 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,919 day by day. Um 645 00:29:41,919 --> 00:29:45,279 I'm on a fixed income. I have two jobs, 646 00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:47,200 two kids. 647 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,760 I've got a house to take care of, and I 648 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,200 do it all by myself. And I've done 649 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,120 everything that I can to help relieve 650 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,320 the pressure of these bills. 651 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,799 And on Friday, when I saw this come out 652 00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:06,399 about the tax increase, 653 00:30:06,399 --> 00:30:09,039 I about had a heart attack. Like, what 654 00:30:09,039 --> 00:30:13,919 am I going to do? I can't afford that. 655 00:30:13,919 --> 00:30:17,120 Most people with my same income in the 656 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,440 same situation, the same type of house, 657 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,960 they they can't afford it either. 658 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,360 Just having conversations with neighbors 659 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,200 and friends in the community, 660 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,240 it's it's not feasible for anybody. I 661 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,360 understand that we're growing 662 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,440 and that definitely needs to be 663 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,520 controlled. Changing zoning from quarter 664 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,679 half acres to quarter acres acres is 665 00:30:43,679 --> 00:30:47,520 just just dumb. Don't do it. We can't 666 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,159 afford it as a city. Just as everybody 667 00:30:50,159 --> 00:30:53,200 else has said, it's just 668 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,600 we can't live like this. Things have to 669 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,679 be better. We need more information. We 670 00:30:57,679 --> 00:31:00,399 need to be considered more. And it's 671 00:31:00,399 --> 00:31:03,279 just not like that gentleman said, it's 672 00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:05,840 not fair. It's not fair to us who live 673 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,399 and break our backs day in and day out. 674 00:31:08,399 --> 00:31:10,880 I don't make money like you guys. My 675 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,360 jobs are quite my job is quite similar, 676 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,919 but I don't make that money. I can't 677 00:31:15,919 --> 00:31:18,640 just go and ask for it. I don't have an 678 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,200 education aside from a high school 679 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,799 diploma. I've taken online courses and 680 00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:26,960 done night schools. I don't have a 681 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,080 diploma in a college. I can't ask for 682 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,720 over a h 100,000. I'm not going to get 683 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,240 it. 684 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,039 So, it's just not fair. So, I'm asking, 685 00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:39,600 please, just as everyone else has asked, 686 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,159 consider us little people that are 687 00:31:42,159 --> 00:31:43,919 stuck. 688 00:31:43,919 --> 00:31:48,480 Don't tax us out of our homes. 689 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:55,269 Thank you. Thank you. 690 00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:58,399 Any additional comments? 691 00:31:58,399 --> 00:32:01,360 Anyone else online? We do have Rick. 692 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,760 Okay. 693 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,399 >> Hello, Rick Berser here. Um, can you 694 00:32:06,399 --> 00:32:08,000 hear me? You good? 695 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:08,799 >> Yes. 696 00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:11,600 >> Perfect. Hey, um, I don't know what the 697 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,240 statistics are for every one person that 698 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,080 writes in 20 people or something. Wanted 699 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,240 to but didn't or something like that. I 700 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,240 mean, I don't know, right? I'm no expert 701 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,480 on that. But I want you to think about 702 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,880 all the people who showed up tonight, 703 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,880 all the people who showed up to speak 704 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,440 and how many people wished they had. 705 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,679 Okay? Then I want you to think about our 706 00:32:35,679 --> 00:32:38,399 general plan and the process that we 707 00:32:38,399 --> 00:32:41,919 went through in the land use part of it 708 00:32:41,919 --> 00:32:44,000 in particular. 709 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,640 There were hundreds of people who showed 710 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,880 up and participated in the land use 711 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,440 plan. um try to picture not just them 712 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,279 but all the other people that wished 713 00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:57,039 they could have made it to those 714 00:32:57,039 --> 00:32:59,840 meetings standing in that room right 715 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,120 now. I mean it's it should almost be 716 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,279 intimidating to you and it's something 717 00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:07,519 that a lot of people are very passionate 718 00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:10,080 about and I hope that you really 719 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,480 consider before changing our general 720 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,200 plan. Thank you. 721 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,600 >> Thank you. 722 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:22,310 Anyone else? Alicia, 723 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,789 anyone else in the audience. 724 00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:28,399 All right, we will close the public 725 00:33:28,399 --> 00:33:32,470 comment 726 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,640 and move on to item number three, the 727 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,080 approval of the minutes from the May 728 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,720 1st, 2026 city council special work 729 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,149 meeting. 730 00:33:42,159 --> 00:33:43,840 » You can do all three of these together. 731 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,559 >> Okay. And we'll add approval of minutes 732 00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:48,960 from the May 6, 2026 regular city 733 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,120 council meeting and approval of minutes 734 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,679 from the May 11th, 2026 city council 735 00:33:53,679 --> 00:33:55,840 special work meeting. Does anybody have 736 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,679 any concerns or questions on those 737 00:33:57,679 --> 00:34:03,909 minutes? 738 00:34:03,919 --> 00:34:05,519 Mayor, I make a motion we move to 739 00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:07,360 approve the minutes from the May 1st, 740 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,720 2026 city council special work meeting 741 00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:14,240 and the May 6, 2026 regular city council 742 00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:18,560 meeting and the May 11th, 2026 city 743 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,480 council special work meeting. 744 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:21,919 >> We have a motion by Council Member 745 00:34:21,919 --> 00:34:23,280 Thomas. Is there a second? 746 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,320 >> I'll second the motion. 747 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,240 >> A second by Council Member Skinner. All 748 00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:27,359 in favor? I 749 00:34:27,359 --> 00:34:30,159 >> I 750 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,879 >> Okay, our next item D is the approval of 751 00:34:32,879 --> 00:34:37,349 the bills. 752 00:34:37,359 --> 00:34:43,190 » Any comments or questions on the bills? 753 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:48,149 Need a motion. 754 00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:49,679 May I motion that we approve the bills 755 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,720 as presented to us um through the agent? 756 00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:55,119 >> Uh we have a motion by council member 757 00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:56,720 Skinner to approve the bills. Is there a 758 00:34:56,720 --> 00:34:57,200 second? 759 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,000 >> I second it. 760 00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,760 >> Second by council member Williams. All 761 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:00,880 in favor? 762 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,880 >> I. 763 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,240 >> Thank you. We will move on to item 764 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:13,030 number four, 765 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,680 which is a council appeal decision 766 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,040 consideration of resolution 2026-15 767 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,359 approving a driveway deviation for 768 00:35:21,359 --> 00:35:24,560 property located at 175 North Hatchet 769 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,800 Ranch Drive. Um, and this will be 770 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,880 presented by Barry Bunderson, our city 771 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:34,790 engineer. 772 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,920 Good evening. Um, I'm hoping that you 773 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,680 have read some of the minutes, but 774 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,560 because this is a project that I or or a 775 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,960 application that I haven't uh been super 776 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,800 involved with, but I've reviewed briefly 777 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,599 and um so in a nutshell, there a 778 00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:53,359 driveway and a and a half a culde-sac 779 00:35:53,359 --> 00:35:56,480 was widened out without a permit. Um now 780 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,079 I was noticed and violation 781 00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:00,800 notifications have been sent out and the 782 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,599 uh homeowner there has met with um city 783 00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:07,839 staff and talked about some of the um 784 00:36:07,839 --> 00:36:10,000 things that were requesting and to be 785 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:16,320 done. Um there's violations just in the driveway width in proximity to a 786 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,640 fire hydrant. And this is all done 787 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,200 without permit, without review, without 788 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,960 oversight from the city and and just 789 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,680 protecting the overall public and and 790 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,000 meeting our design standards. So, um 791 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,440 I don't know if you have any specific 792 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,440 questions that we should get into about 793 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,880 this or or any thoughts that can help 794 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,480 with 795 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,280 >> Yeah, I I have a I have one question. I 796 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,520 know we've had more than one of these 797 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,119 recently. Um, 798 00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:51,359 what what are we do? We 799 00:36:51,359 --> 00:36:52,720 I'm trying to think of a more of a 800 00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:54,400 proactive approach. Do we have anything 801 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,800 out there that states obviously curb 802 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:02,150 shouldn't be cut without approval? Um, 803 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,160 it seems like I'm I'm just trying to get 804 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,800 on the preventative side of, you know, 805 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,119 providing proper notice to, you know, 806 00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:11,040 and then obviously like those that are 807 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,640 those curb cut companies that are coming 808 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,119 in, they should be working off of a 809 00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:16,720 permit if they're working 810 00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:17,119 >> Yeah. 811 00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:18,800 >> inside the city and not just going and 812 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,920 cutting a city product and making it 813 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,760 whatever they feel they want it to be. 814 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,680 I'm just trying to think 815 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:26,960 >> Yeah. 816 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:27,839 out in front. 817 00:37:27,839 --> 00:37:29,200 >> I think 818 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,359 >> um getting information out to the public 819 00:37:31,359 --> 00:37:35,040 is the cheapest form of of dealing with 820 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,280 these kinds of things. And so I mean we 821 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,880 can get with the other staff members and 822 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,200 just see if we can you know post notices 823 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,200 on our website and and um I don't know 824 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,920 if there's anything when you know with 825 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,760 the building process that could catch it 826 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,599 up front but when somebody sells a home 827 00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:54,720 now it's just kind of lost in in the 828 00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:57,440 depth of paperwork or you know public 829 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,640 information. But um I don't know. It 830 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,240 it's it is a a good option to kind of 831 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:06,480 help educate people, both contractors 832 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,400 and homeowners, about whose 833 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:09,760 infrastructure these are. They're 834 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,520 collectively the public's and that 835 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,440 they're put in place in certain 836 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,640 conditions for the general public's 837 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,839 welfare and being and and safety. And so 838 00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:21,359 when they go against some of those 839 00:38:21,359 --> 00:38:23,359 design standards, it's can be 840 00:38:23,359 --> 00:38:25,359 problematic. 841 00:38:25,359 --> 00:38:29,200 So, um I yeah, we can we can work on 842 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:30,880 some solutions to be more proactive 843 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,520 about noticing residents of I mean it's 844 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,040 in the code, but some people don't even 845 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,480 know where to find that. 846 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:39,040 >> So, 847 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,960 >> as far as the fire hydrant here, is that 848 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,960 is this going to be a problem for for 849 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,640 first responders getting to the house? 850 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,480 >> Yeah. So, so typically, you know, you're 851 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,000 not supposed to park within 15 feet of a 852 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,680 hydrant. And so I think part of the 853 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,200 consideration is that the curb and 854 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,119 gutter would be replaced, 855 00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:55,040 >> you know, so that it can't be accessed 856 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,880 and be maybe parked on or problematic 857 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,040 within that 15t dimension. 858 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,440 >> Okay. So that that would cover that. 859 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:02,880 >> Yeah. And that would put it pretty close 860 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,640 to where in this photo you can see the 861 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,400 edge of their of their driveway that 862 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,400 goes to their garage. It would be in 863 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,119 that close proximity to that kind of 864 00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:15,359 line. So, we're asking that they remove 865 00:39:15,359 --> 00:39:17,119 what's been cut and install new curbon 866 00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:19,520 gutter to that point with, you know, the 867 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,079 appropriate apron kind of flares. 868 00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:22,400 >> Okay. 869 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,760 >> Which makes sense 870 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,599 >> because it does appear that they've cut 871 00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:30,000 right through the red 872 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:37,829 >> paint. Definitely. 873 00:39:37,839 --> 00:39:39,599 We have ordinances about from a property 874 00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:40,640 line. There needs to be a certain 875 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,320 distance 10 feet from the property line 876 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,839 for for any driveway. And so that's a 877 00:39:45,839 --> 00:39:47,599 consideration. But I think the kind of 878 00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:49,760 the governing 879 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,079 criteria is the is the fire hydrant 880 00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:59,190 distance. 881 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,880 » Mayor, if I may, I don't know if you can 882 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:01,920 hear me. All right. 883 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,280 >> Yes. Thank you, Bill. 884 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:04,640 >> Uh just really quick, there was a 885 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,240 question about uh getting information 886 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:09,920 out there. We are working with um 887 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,599 I think it's Alicia that puts out the 888 00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:13,599 newsletter, but with with whoever puts 889 00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:16,960 out the newsletter to get a a a code 890 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,880 enforcement corner or something like 891 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,280 that so that we address some of these 892 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,640 topics uh on a more regular basis and uh 893 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,640 try to be more proactive that way about 894 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,119 getting word out and and like Barry 895 00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:30,720 pointed out, many people may not even 896 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:33,359 know where to go to find the code and 897 00:40:33,359 --> 00:40:36,079 it's it's not necessarily easy reading 898 00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:39,119 even if you did find it. So, um the idea 899 00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:41,040 would be to put staff contact 900 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,880 information there as well as a link to 901 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,880 the code itself so that people could 902 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,119 have that and then uh highlight a 903 00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:48,720 certain section of the code like this 904 00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:50,800 where we're seeing uh compliance 905 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:56,630 questions or concerns. 906 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,319 » Okay. Thank you, Bill. I think that'll 907 00:40:58,319 --> 00:41:01,200 be a great addition to the newsletter 908 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,079 and a great way to get some information 909 00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:14,390 out to our residents. 910 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,640 So, I think one thing to point out is 911 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,280 there's been notices sent out certified 912 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,839 mail, right? And there just hasn't been 913 00:41:21,839 --> 00:41:26,319 any action on a resolution for for what 914 00:41:26,319 --> 00:41:28,640 should be done here. So, 915 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,160 um, 916 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,839 >> yeah, 917 00:41:31,839 --> 00:41:33,440 >> I feel like they should replace that 918 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,800 curb back to at least the straight point 919 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,560 where their where their driveway is. I 920 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,040 know that that's probably wider than 921 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,400 what we would typically allow. Um, but 922 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,839 it would make sense to me that that the start of that flare, if that's lined 923 00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:51,839 up with that, um, right hand side as 924 00:41:51,839 --> 00:41:53,520 you're looking at it, the side of the 925 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:54,640 driveway, 926 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,560 >> that'll replace probably 927 00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:02,160 >> 10 or 10 or 12 feet of 928 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,000 >> of curb. This one 929 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,520 >> like it is right now is completely 930 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,520 unacceptable. 931 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,240 So, 932 00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:11,119 >> yeah. 933 00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:15,040 needs to be replaced and and moved back. 934 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,200 >> Um, and this is information on a site 935 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,040 plan. I think that the actual cut of the 936 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,000 curb and gutter is approximately 22 ft. 937 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,720 The driveway is larger than that close 938 00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:27,040 to the 30 foot that we would is our 939 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,319 maximum per ordinance. And so both the 940 00:42:30,319 --> 00:42:33,040 15t and the 30t are matching up close to 941 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,000 that line. And so I think that would be 942 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,440 >> that would match everything else that 943 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,880 we're kind of hoping to get. So, 944 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,270 get everywhere else, not just here. 945 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,680 » Have they pulled a permit to do any sort 946 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,440 of 947 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,920 detached ADU 948 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,760 onto the the side of that property 949 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,680 there? Is that I mean, it seems like to 950 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,440 me that's their intent. 951 00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,760 >> I'm not aware of any permit permit 952 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,240 myself, but I would say that this isn't 953 00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:04,160 for that necessarily. This is just for 954 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,119 access to uh the sideyard and and we 955 00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:10,240 don't require permits for flat work. 956 00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:11,839 >> So if you wanted to pour an extension to 957 00:43:11,839 --> 00:43:15,040 his driveway or a parking pad for an RV 958 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,319 or something like that, we wouldn't 959 00:43:16,319 --> 00:43:27,829 necessarily require a permit for that. 960 00:43:27,839 --> 00:43:41,430 Any 961 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,079 other comments on this? 962 00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:48,000 >> So just so I can clarify what we're saying they can they have to 963 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,839 replace the curb and gutter to that to 964 00:43:49,839 --> 00:43:51,760 the standard the city standards 965 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:52,079 >> so 966 00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:55,599 >> potentially by the act. So they they've 967 00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:57,920 asked for a variance to what we're 968 00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,440 saying they need to do. And so I think 969 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,440 it's coming to you and you guys have the 970 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,839 latitude, if I'm not misspeaking, to 971 00:44:03,839 --> 00:44:10,319 decide what is in the best interest of the public and the residents that are 972 00:44:10,319 --> 00:44:13,200 in this neighborhood. But as staff, 973 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,839 we're saying there are these background 974 00:44:15,839 --> 00:44:17,599 sort of considerations from fire 975 00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:20,319 department, public safety, and and just, 976 00:44:20,319 --> 00:44:22,800 you know, consistency of of practice in 977 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,240 our city. And so consider those as you 978 00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:29,040 need and ask questions. But what we're 979 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,079 recommending is that they go 980 00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:31,119 >> asking a lot of questions, but the 981 00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:32,880 deviant is as they want to keep it as is 982 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,880 and not correct. I just want to make 983 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:35,760 sure I understand 984 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,200 >> that. Like to me that's too close to the 985 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,640 fire hydrant and so that's a safety 986 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:52,230 issue. 987 00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:54,000 Mayor, I make a motion that we deny 988 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,280 resolution 2026-15 989 00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,599 um as presented and instruct the 990 00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:02,560 homeowner to replace the curb back to 991 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,280 the really the line of their existing 992 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:09,280 driveway and that the the cut. The 993 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,359 bottom of the cut starts at that and 994 00:45:11,359 --> 00:45:15,760 then can flare to the right there. Just 995 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,640 to place that what is about 12 ft of 996 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,520 curb essentially. That's that's my 997 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,280 motion. I think Barry could work with 998 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:24,400 him on that. You understand what I'm 999 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:24,880 saying, right? 1000 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,079 >> Yep. Definitely. 1001 00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:27,760 >> Okay. We have a motion by Council Member 1002 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,760 Butler. Is there a second? 1003 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,040 >> I'll second the motion. 1004 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,200 >> Second by Council Member Skinner. All in 1005 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,440 favor? I 1006 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,760 >> Okay, 1007 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,319 Q. 1008 00:45:40,319 --> 00:45:42,720 >> Item number five, discussion and council 1009 00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:45,200 direction of the town homes on Willow 1010 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,839 sidewalks. 1011 00:45:47,839 --> 00:45:50,400 >> So, I'll stay here for this one. I have 1012 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,240 been texting with 1013 00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:54,960 >> GTM Sean Holy. Um, there's 1014 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,880 miscommunication with the move of of the 1015 00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,359 meeting and anyway, he's not able to 1016 00:45:59,359 --> 00:46:01,040 join us, but he said to go ahead. I 1017 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,240 don't know if that's information that 1018 00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:05,680 needs to be is pertinent here, but I can 1019 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,910 show you my text if you want. 1020 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,880 » Um, and you don't have anything to 1021 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,040 present. I can get a laptop if we we've 1022 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,359 talked about this before. Do we need to 1023 00:46:17,359 --> 00:46:19,839 bring up any 1024 00:46:19,839 --> 00:46:23,520 documents or or anything else? 1025 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,200 >> I I don't think so. I've walked up and 1026 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,440 down that road like 15 times in the last 1027 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:28,720 couple weeks. So, 1028 00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:30,560 >> yeah, I've driven it. I I already know 1029 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,800 what I want to do. I think it needs to 1030 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,319 be widened. I don't I don't think 1031 00:46:34,319 --> 00:46:37,680 there's any gap in my mind. 1032 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,240 >> Okay. Um my my thoughts are I mean 1033 00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:43,119 obviously to keep the area 1034 00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:46,319 uh in front of the uh town homes as 1035 00:46:46,319 --> 00:46:47,920 drawn 1036 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,400 would be my recommendation. Uh to keep 1037 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,560 the road at its intended width for 1038 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,319 future. Um, and then in front of those 1039 00:46:58,319 --> 00:47:00,079 homes and I met with all three of those 1040 00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:02,880 homeowners. And so hopefully, this is 1041 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,280 what I told them I would present and and 1042 00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:06,560 had conversations with them 1043 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:11,680 specifically, but uh that we we make up 1044 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:17,359 the width uh by reducing the park strip 1045 00:47:17,359 --> 00:47:20,640 uh somewhere between a foot and reducing 1046 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,760 the sidewalk the sidewalk in that area 1047 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,319 to a foot as well. so that we don't 1048 00:47:26,319 --> 00:47:29,119 encroach upon those existing homes on 1049 00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:31,520 the north side on the south side excuse 1050 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,319 me of that of that development along 1051 00:47:34,319 --> 00:47:36,160 with that um 1052 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:37,839 >> you mean the west 1053 00:47:37,839 --> 00:47:40,000 >> the south so the three homes 1054 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,680 >> south of the town home project I think 1055 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,119 you 1056 00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:45,200 >> on the west side of the street because 1057 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,280 they have existing yards there's also 1058 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,000 existing infrastructure 1059 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,200 >> that if we go to the plan 1060 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:54,720 >> we're going to we're going to be going 1061 00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:58,960 right through a CT that's not the right 1062 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,520 transformer transformer box. I'm looking 1063 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,079 at him because he's an electrician. So, 1064 00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:08,400 um so that that we would make it up in 1065 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,560 the sidewalk and the park strip in that 1066 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,960 location. And then in that area, if they 1067 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,720 would agree to it, we would do a roll 1068 00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:18,160 curb and the modified curb as was 1069 00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,400 presented in the last meeting and do the 1070 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,280 modified curb up to the subdivision and 1071 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,520 then go high back through the 1072 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:30,000 subdivision as it's drawn. And so holies 1073 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,200 wouldn't change at all. So, it would 1074 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,880 just be modification to to help those 1075 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,400 homeowners deal with height and and deal 1076 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,079 with uh impacts to their to their 1077 00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:46,400 landscape and and infrastructure that 1078 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,880 they already have in. That's that's my 1079 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:49,680 recommendation. 1080 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,400 >> Can I just restate what I think I heard 1081 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,520 you say? So, park strip width would go 1082 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,280 from three and a half in front of these 1083 00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,119 three homes from three and 1/2 ft down 1084 00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:01,680 to one and a half. one and a half. 1085 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,319 >> Okay. And then the back of the sidewalk 1086 00:49:04,319 --> 00:49:06,000 would shrink towards the middle of the 1087 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,319 street by 1 ft. So it would be now a 4ft 1088 00:49:08,319 --> 00:49:09,680 wide sidewalk. Correct. 1089 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,960 >> Okay. And you know this is your 1090 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,839 >> sort of call. I would say that Ashtto 1091 00:49:15,839 --> 00:49:19,680 guidelines for park strip um recommends 1092 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,040 a two-ft minimum and then if they get 1093 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,720 close to the back of curb then they 1094 00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:27,760 recommend a wider sidewalk. So anyway, 1095 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,440 if there's any wiggle to get within 1096 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,119 Ashtto 1097 00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:34,800 two feet that sort of aligns. If not, 1098 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:35,599 then 1099 00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:37,520 >> I I would agree with that. 1100 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:37,920 >> Okay. 1101 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,160 >> The the I mean, we have a 4ft sidewalk 1102 00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,040 on the other side, right? So sidewalk 1103 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,880 width, I I do understand the nature of 1104 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,040 what we have there. We have a we have a 1105 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,839 school that's close by, but I also think 1106 00:49:51,839 --> 00:49:54,880 maintaining the width of that roadway as 1107 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,559 it was originally intended, we need to 1108 00:49:56,559 --> 00:49:57,839 try to maintain. 1109 00:49:57,839 --> 00:49:58,319 >> Okay. 1110 00:49:58,319 --> 00:50:06,000 >> For future. And then if I may, with a mountable curb, um potentially 1111 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:10,319 the increase of an errant driver, um 1112 00:50:10,319 --> 00:50:12,720 that bump is going to be felt, but maybe 1113 00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:16,720 not as abruptly or even deterrent with 1114 00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:18,640 more of a straight edge from somebody 1115 00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,280 that's on a sidewalk that, you know, 1116 00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,200 could be walking to school or whatever. 1117 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,599 We're narrowing up that width, that sort 1118 00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:29,040 of buff buffering by narrowing the park 1119 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,160 strip. And by doing more of a mountable 1120 00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,200 curb, it reduces to some level, you 1121 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,240 know, that alert that, hey, I'm getting 1122 00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:40,000 off the road. 1123 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,559 >> And then other drainage things. But just 1124 00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:45,040 so it's all what what the implications 1125 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:46,079 mean and and then 1126 00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:47,280 >> would that just be for those three homes 1127 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:48,960 that Jake, is that what you're those 1128 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,480 three homes that are to the 1129 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,800 >> to the to the to the south? to the south 1130 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:53,520 of 1131 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:54,720 >> the three existing homes. 1132 00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:56,000 >> Okay. 1133 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,280 >> So, that that curb has a 2 inch 1134 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,200 >> or is it three inches or what's that 1135 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:02,400 modified curb? 1136 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,400 >> Um, yeah, it's a 2 in. 1137 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:05,440 >> 2 in. 1138 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,000 >> From from the front part closest to the 1139 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,319 middle of the road concrete to the back, 1140 00:51:10,319 --> 00:51:11,920 it's like 2 in. 1141 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,240 >> And the concern I had, obviously that 1142 00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:15,599 concern, I appreciate you bringing it 1143 00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:18,319 up. The other concern was is water 1144 00:51:18,319 --> 00:51:19,839 intrusion, 1145 00:51:19,839 --> 00:51:21,920 you know, and and I I did have that 1146 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,960 conversation with all three residents. 1147 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,920 Um, you know, that if if we went that 1148 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,800 direction, we would we would want to 1149 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,520 hold harmless or I you know, I don't I 1150 00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:34,800 don't foresee that being an issue in 1151 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,160 that location due to it being at the top 1152 00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:39,839 of the roadway. 1153 00:51:39,839 --> 00:51:42,559 >> Um, but 1154 00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:44,880 and then forgive me if I'm overdoing it 1155 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,520 here. I don't want to. But um so the 1156 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,119 difference like you said, we got like a 1157 00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:51,440 2 in height from the front of the curb 1158 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,319 to the back on a on a modified and it's 1159 00:51:54,319 --> 00:51:57,760 4 in on a standard curb and gutter cuz 1160 00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,400 there's a depression in between, right? 1161 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,640 And so just so the residents know what 1162 00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:09,200 you're trading is 2 in height for that roll curve 1163 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,960 with some help from width. 1164 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,440 And do you want to drive over the road 1165 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,760 for the rest of the time that you live 1166 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:28,549 there? 1167 00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:30,640 » Anyone else have any thoughts? 1168 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,400 >> I feel like I've walked that a million 1169 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,160 times, too. I got my steps in for the 1170 00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:39,119 year, but I'm with with Jake on this on it. Um, I would just add too after 1171 00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:42,079 talking to homeowners that um, some of 1172 00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:44,559 them have existing I mean wider 1173 00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:47,440 driveways than what we've what's in 1174 00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,760 there. Um, and those were in there you 1175 00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,920 know a long time ago. Um, I would 1176 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,079 suggest that we that's where the curb 1177 00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:56,000 comes up. We let them keep their 1178 00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,079 driveways what they have even the 1179 00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:02,079 extended ones um, and go that route. So 1180 00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:03,839 like the Ericson's could keep their 1181 00:53:03,839 --> 00:53:06,000 little side piece and the I think the 1182 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,760 Eans have it as well too. So I would 1183 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,079 just add that. But I agree. I'm with 1184 00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:13,200 Jake after walking on all of it. And I'm 1185 00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,280 with Yeah. 100% what what Jake just 1186 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:19,589 suggested. 1187 00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:21,760 » Jeff. Amen. 1188 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,510 >> Thank you. 1189 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,040 » All right. Somebody want to make a 1190 00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,880 motion? 1191 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,880 >> It's just a discussion. Oh, just it is 1192 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,800 just a discussion. It's direction. 1193 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,240 You're directed. 1194 00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:34,960 >> Okay. 1195 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:35,440 >> All right. 1196 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,000 >> I I believe I understand. If I may 1197 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,359 >> just recap one more time, please. 1198 00:53:39,359 --> 00:53:40,000 >> Yes, please. 1199 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,079 >> So, instead of a highback curbon gutter, 1200 00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:43,680 we'll go to a road gutter. Keep it where 1201 00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,640 it is in front of these three homes. 1202 00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,800 Shrink the park strip to 2 feet and 1203 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,839 shrink the sidewalk to four feet. And 1204 00:53:51,839 --> 00:53:54,880 then that will leave the extra against 1205 00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,839 the homes. And then when we hit the hit 1206 00:53:57,839 --> 00:54:02,079 that new parcel, everything is highback 1207 00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:03,599 >> the widened roadway. 1208 00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:04,559 >> Okay. 1209 00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:08,720 >> Sidewalk sidewalk width widened as well. 1210 00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:10,160 >> Okay. Everything 1211 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,160 >> let them match the their existing 1212 00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:12,880 driveways. 1213 00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:13,359 >> Yep. 1214 00:54:13,359 --> 00:54:13,839 >> Right. 1215 00:54:13,839 --> 00:54:14,800 >> Well, 1216 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,319 >> because it's a role that there's no 1217 00:54:16,319 --> 00:54:18,000 definition of the width there. So, 1218 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,680 >> that's right. 1219 00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,359 And then if we can just make sure that 1220 00:54:21,359 --> 00:54:24,960 the um the general contractor works with 1221 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,119 those homeowners 1222 00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:29,839 to when he's going to do that, when he's 1223 00:54:29,839 --> 00:54:31,359 going to be impacting in front of their 1224 00:54:31,359 --> 00:54:33,200 homes so that they can plan accordingly, 1225 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:34,640 I think would be 1226 00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,079 >> something that if we could just request 1227 00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:37,680 him to do. Yeah, we'd appreciate it. 1228 00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:38,880 >> We'll definitely remind him. I think 1229 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,960 he's good for that. He he has an 1230 00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,000 interest in helping that go smoothly. 1231 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,160 So, thank you. Okay. 1232 00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:50,309 >> All right. Thank you, Burr. 1233 00:54:50,319 --> 00:54:52,000 All right. Item number six, 1234 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,280 consideration of ordinance 2026-21 1235 00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,599 amending the fee schedule to add code 1236 00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:00,240 enforcement fees related to nuisance 1237 00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:02,240 abatement, civil citations, and 1238 00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:08,470 administrative costs. 1239 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,240 » Good evening. 1240 00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:13,920 Um, Tyson Barker, city attorney. just uh 1241 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,599 on this item for the code enforcement 1242 00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:19,680 uh fees and related to nuisance 1243 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,040 abatement, civil citations, 1244 00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,079 administrative costs, we have um in our 1245 00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:26,800 in both our land use and MUN code, we've 1246 00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,160 got some fees that are kind of 1247 00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:32,800 interspersed throughout the the body of of those of those codes. And what 1248 00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,720 we'd like to do is kind of a larger 1249 00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:38,160 project than what item uh item number 1250 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,880 six would would allow. So, my 1251 00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,880 recommendation on this is is to table 1252 00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,480 this item and then we'll come back with 1253 00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:48,480 a more robust um uh more generalized 1254 00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,200 language in our union code pointing 1255 00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,319 citizens to a a a very detailed fee 1256 00:55:54,319 --> 00:55:56,240 schedule so that it's easy to find, easy 1257 00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:59,280 to easy to interpret. Um there's no more 1258 00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,839 hunting for for fees within the the 1259 00:56:01,839 --> 00:56:04,400 large the larger text. It it may take a 1260 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:05,760 couple of meetings until we get to that 1261 00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,839 point. It's kind of a large project, but 1262 00:56:07,839 --> 00:56:10,799 this is sort of a a a small fix to a 1263 00:56:10,799 --> 00:56:12,000 larger problem. And I think that we 1264 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,599 could probably accomplish more with with 1265 00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:18,789 a with a table on this. 1266 00:56:18,799 --> 00:56:20,559 » Would somebody like to table this item? 1267 00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:22,079 >> Mayor, I make a motion we table 1268 00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:24,319 ordinance 2026-21. 1269 00:56:24,319 --> 00:56:25,119 I'll second. 1270 00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:26,559 >> All right. We have a motion by council 1271 00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:28,160 member Butler and a second by council 1272 00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,079 member Dalton. All in favor? 1273 00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:31,520 >> I. 1274 00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,319 >> Okay. We will table that item. Moving on 1275 00:56:34,319 --> 00:56:36,960 to number item number seven. Item number 1276 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,079 seven is a public hearing item. Um it is 1277 00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:44,480 the consideration of ordinance 2026-9 1278 00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,119 approving a general plan amendment for 1279 00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:49,040 the Wellstone subdivision. So the way 1280 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:50,559 this will work is I know some of you 1281 00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:52,640 have already commented on this but we 1282 00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,240 will have a presentation and a 1283 00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:56,720 discussion and then we will open it back 1284 00:56:56,720 --> 00:56:59,520 up for comments if you feel they are 1285 00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,440 needed and then we will um continue on 1286 00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:07,599 with a motion. So it appears that Barry 1287 00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:09,359 will be presenting this as well. Is that 1288 00:57:09,359 --> 00:57:11,760 correct? 1289 00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,240 >> I'm here and and available for comments. 1290 00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:18,240 >> Just kidding. Barry got saved. 1291 00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,960 All right. So, Bill will present this. 1292 00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,440 >> So, um I think we're all aware of this 1293 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,680 in in general terms and so I won't go 1294 00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,160 into into that kind of thing. Um I think 1295 00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,319 it's important to realize that or or to 1296 00:57:30,319 --> 00:57:32,400 remember that the planning commission 1297 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,319 discussed this item in a similar public 1298 00:57:34,319 --> 00:57:37,680 hearing a few weeks ago and uh voted to 1299 00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,240 recommend denial of this request as well 1300 00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,839 as the next agenda item. Um I don't have 1301 00:57:43,839 --> 00:57:45,920 much more to say than that. Honestly, 1302 00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:50,000 this is uh I think a known question and 1303 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,880 a known item. So, I won't uh go into the 1304 00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,440 details, but um the general plan 1305 00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,319 currently says that uh this this area 1306 00:57:58,319 --> 00:58:01,839 should remain um low density and uh 1307 00:58:01,839 --> 00:58:03,520 that's the request that is being brought 1308 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,119 to you is to change that. Um 1309 00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:10,720 I would say that uh changing a a a 1310 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:14,079 general plan is a very serious thing. Is 1311 00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:15,680 something that should be very carefully 1312 00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,440 considered and not just um done on a on 1313 00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:23,440 a whim or because someone asks for such 1314 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,839 a thing. Uh the general plan reflects 1315 00:58:25,839 --> 00:58:28,480 the will of the people as adopted by the 1316 00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,760 city council. And after having gone 1317 00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,880 through significant public comment and u 1318 00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,359 other meetings where we took 1319 00:58:37,359 --> 00:58:40,160 um comments and and other concerns and 1320 00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:41,839 thoughts and ideas about this property 1321 00:58:41,839 --> 00:58:45,920 and the the city in general. Um this is 1322 00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,240 a reflection of that in the general plan 1323 00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,200 itself. And so it shouldn't be done just 1324 00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,480 uh just because it's it's the thing to 1325 00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,559 do or or whatever. Uh this is u a very 1326 00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:01,280 serious matter and it should be given 1327 00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:05,280 weighty consideration. Um in fact uh in 1328 00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:06,559 my career I've learned that there are 1329 00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:08,079 really only two times when you should 1330 00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:10,559 consider a a general plan amendment such 1331 00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:13,280 as this. And it's uh if there was a 1332 00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,200 mistake that was made either a clerical 1333 00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,359 error or some other concern that that 1334 00:59:17,359 --> 00:59:24,160 slipped through or if the um if the the 1335 00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,799 morals and values and concerns of the 1336 00:59:26,799 --> 00:59:29,200 community have changed significantly in 1337 00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,799 the in interim period. meaning that uh 1338 00:59:32,799 --> 00:59:35,440 something significant has changed in in 1339 00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,079 the world or in the community that this 1340 00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:41,040 is no longer a desirable future land 1341 00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,920 use. Um 1342 00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:45,520 that's for you to decide. This is a 1343 00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,599 legislative item and so the 1344 00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:50,160 consideration is is not so much some of 1345 00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,480 the details about is there enough water 1346 00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:56,079 or is there enough um transportation or 1347 00:59:56,079 --> 00:59:58,960 is there uh sufficient um things like 1348 00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,839 that. It's this is uh really you're 1349 01:00:01,839 --> 01:00:03,599 asking two questions. Is this the right 1350 01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:06,799 time for this kind of consideration or 1351 01:00:06,799 --> 01:00:08,559 is this the right place? And this is for 1352 01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:10,559 actually for both items for the future 1353 01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:13,119 land use map amendment as well as for 1354 01:00:13,119 --> 01:00:16,960 the zoning map change, the reason. And 1355 01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,920 um those are the the two basic questions 1356 01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,480 that really are are facing you tonight. 1357 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,480 Um is this the right time and is this 1358 01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:28,000 the right place? And uh again that's the 1359 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,160 consideration that uh we would ask you 1360 01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:31,760 to to make and you have the 1361 01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,079 determination and recommendation from 1362 01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:36,400 the planning commission. You've heard 1363 01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:40,400 from the public and um you just uh I I 1364 01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,240 know that the developer is in the room 1365 01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,720 as well and would would uh like to have 1366 01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,200 some opportunity to give comment as well 1367 01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,160 perhaps after any future any further 1368 01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:54,160 public hearing comments. But um with 1369 01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,000 that, I think, uh I'm available for 1370 01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,319 questions as well. Uh um just online. I 1371 01:00:58,319 --> 01:00:59,680 know you can't see me, but I'm I'm 1372 01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:01,119 thoroughly interested in this meeting 1373 01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:03,520 and very much engaged. So, uh let me 1374 01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,400 know if you have questions for me. 1375 01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,359 >> Thank you, Bill. Um would we like to 1376 01:01:09,359 --> 01:01:12,720 have the developer come and present his 1377 01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:14,559 information or would we like to have a 1378 01:01:14,559 --> 01:01:17,040 discussion first? 1379 01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,040 is 1380 01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:20,720 I think it makes sense to allow the 1381 01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,720 developer at this point to have 1382 01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:23,040 >> sure 1383 01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,680 >> to be able to speak to this and then um 1384 01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,440 we will discuss it. If there's any 1385 01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,280 additional public comments, we will take 1386 01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:33,040 those as well and we'll move in that 1387 01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:45,589 direction. 1388 01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:47,839 Uh good evening, mayor, uh members of 1389 01:01:47,839 --> 01:01:51,119 the council. Uh appreciate your time and 1390 01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:54,240 uh I al my name is Jason Harris. I'm a 1391 01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:57,200 representative of Fieldstone Homes. And 1392 01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,319 uh tonight, um we are asking the council 1393 01:02:00,319 --> 01:02:02,880 to eval evaluate one specific request, 1394 01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,119 right, the general plan amendment. Um 1395 01:02:05,119 --> 01:02:07,119 and and subsequently in the next item, 1396 01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:10,000 which would be the R112 zoning. And I'm 1397 01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,839 going to kind of address both at the 1398 01:02:11,839 --> 01:02:15,040 same time now just because one's going 1399 01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,520 to lead to the other. Um but we 1400 01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:18,880 certainly can have the discussion in 1401 01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,680 both uh in both areas. Um although there 1402 01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,119 are many reasons to approve this 1403 01:02:23,119 --> 01:02:25,520 request, I'm I'm going to focus on three 1404 01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,079 main data points. Um there there's lots 1405 01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:30,160 of things we can cover, but data point 1406 01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:33,200 number one, um the the request actually 1407 01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:36,079 does align with the general plan. The 1408 01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:38,640 general plan is uh has a couple of 1409 01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,880 components to it. Um often we're 1410 01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,799 referring to the general plan map when 1411 01:02:42,799 --> 01:02:45,760 we when we're talking about um the the 1412 01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,000 current designation, but there's a whole 1413 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,240 huge document of written information 1414 01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:54,160 about uh how how planning should go 1415 01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:56,480 related to the general plan. in that 1416 01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:59,359 document. It actually does align uh this 1417 01:02:59,359 --> 01:03:03,520 the uh the uh land use request here does 1418 01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,160 align with the housing goals support for 1419 01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,160 residential growth, the compat 1420 01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:09,760 compatibility with the surrounding areas 1421 01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,079 and infrastructure connectivity. Uh 1422 01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:13,599 these areas of alignment were also 1423 01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:15,119 pointed out by your planning commission 1424 01:03:15,119 --> 01:03:16,559 chair and her remarks to the other 1425 01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:18,079 commissioners and even some of the other 1426 01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:20,000 commissioners talked about it. It was 1427 01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:24,559 simply the map and uh in in in in all 1428 01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:27,119 documents, right? um maps are typically 1429 01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:29,359 exhibits too, right? Um don't always 1430 01:03:29,359 --> 01:03:32,000 align with and and that is something 1431 01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,559 that we're here to say we want you to 1432 01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:37,760 consider that fact. Um the the general 1433 01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,000 plan 1434 01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,440 uh through this process, right? Um which 1435 01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,599 this isn't willy-nilly, right? This is 1436 01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:47,599 how we start a process is by making 1437 01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:48,960 application and asking for your 1438 01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,480 consideration. So um that's that's the 1439 01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,160 first point and uh and I think if you've 1440 01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:55,520 read through the general plan you'll 1441 01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,799 find those those uh u data points. The 1442 01:03:58,799 --> 01:04:01,599 second point I want to make is um around 1443 01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:07,680 a driver cannot see the difference and here's what I mean in in around this 1444 01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:09,359 the differences behind the house. So 1445 01:04:09,359 --> 01:04:12,720 both the R121 and the R12 zones carry 1446 01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:14,559 the same minimum lot frontage 1447 01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:16,319 requirement. 1448 01:04:16,319 --> 01:04:18,160 Okay. So, a resident who drives down a 1449 01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,720 street on a halfacre lot and a street of 1450 01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,440 uh those R112 zone, they can't tell the 1451 01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:24,559 difference in the character of the 1452 01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:26,960 subdivision. The same house fits on both 1453 01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,440 types of lots. The extra size of the lot 1454 01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,000 is located entirely in the rear yard, 1455 01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,240 invisible from the street and invisible 1456 01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,280 from the community. 1457 01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,119 That that's important, right? Because a 1458 01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:41,680 lot of a lot of folks have made comments 1459 01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,839 about the the character and that this 1460 01:04:43,839 --> 01:04:45,200 would change that, but it but it 1461 01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:46,799 actually won't. it will look exactly the 1462 01:04:46,799 --> 01:04:50,559 same. The third data point and related 1463 01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:54,079 is that rear yards cost the buyer and 1464 01:04:54,079 --> 01:04:56,160 I'm updating my number from last time we 1465 01:04:56,160 --> 01:05:00,000 talked. I'll tell you what why. Um 1466 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,599 approximatelyund 1467 01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:03,359 $100,470 1468 01:05:03,359 --> 01:05:06,079 more. The difference be between a 1469 01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:09,119 12,000t lot and a 21,000 foot lot is 1470 01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:10,880 approximately 9,000 square ft of 1471 01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,240 additional rear yard in this case. and a 1472 01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,079 buyer cannot see it from the street, but 1473 01:05:16,079 --> 01:05:17,920 they can feel it in the price of their 1474 01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,640 home. The added cost breaks down like 1475 01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:24,079 this. Um, the extra landscaping of that 1476 01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:27,039 9,000 ft, right, um, adds up to about 1477 01:05:27,039 --> 01:05:29,440 $40,500. 1478 01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:32,319 The additional fencing along the along 1479 01:05:32,319 --> 01:05:34,799 that back perimeter, uh, is about 1480 01:05:34,799 --> 01:05:37,829 $9,860. 1481 01:05:37,839 --> 01:05:40,799 and uh the additional uh square footage 1482 01:05:40,799 --> 01:05:43,680 of land, that additional 9,000 ft of 1483 01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:46,960 land would be about $34,110 1484 01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,760 of additional cost. And then the one 1485 01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:51,200 thing that I missed in my comments to 1486 01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:54,400 the planning commission was the water um 1487 01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,119 and the additional water acquisition 1488 01:05:57,119 --> 01:06:00,000 required for the larger lot is an 1489 01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,160 additional $16,000. 1490 01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:05,280 So that all of those things right which 1491 01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,119 are in the rear yard that can't be seen 1492 01:06:07,119 --> 01:06:10,559 add a hundred a little over $100,000 in 1493 01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:13,200 additional cost. And like many of the 1494 01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:14,799 comments that have already been said 1495 01:06:14,799 --> 01:06:17,760 that's meaningful. 1496 01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:19,920 And so part of the consideration we're 1497 01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,559 asking you here is to is to take into 1498 01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:26,079 account uh what those added costs mean 1499 01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:29,039 um not only uh in significance of adding 1500 01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:32,319 more turf to irrigate um but also 1501 01:06:32,319 --> 01:06:33,839 meaningful concerns which also have been 1502 01:06:33,839 --> 01:06:35,200 brought up by the community about this 1503 01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:36,720 being a desert community where water 1504 01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:41,359 supply uh is a long-term constraint. So 1505 01:06:41,359 --> 01:06:45,280 with that, the this the staff report um 1506 01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:48,559 talks about highdensity single family. 1507 01:06:48,559 --> 01:06:51,839 Um that is not what Fieldstone is asking 1508 01:06:51,839 --> 01:06:55,200 for. Um and and we we tried to clarify 1509 01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:56,319 that with the planning commission. I 1510 01:06:56,319 --> 01:06:57,440 want to clarify it here with the 1511 01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:02,799 council. Um we're we're asking for um 1512 01:07:02,799 --> 01:07:05,520 the the medium density residential 1513 01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,720 classification which aligns with the the 1514 01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:11,440 zoning request that follows this um 1515 01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,079 which is you know what we what really 1516 01:07:14,079 --> 01:07:16,160 the R12 zone will yield is somewhere 1517 01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:19,839 between 2.2 and 2.5 units per acre. Um 1518 01:07:19,839 --> 01:07:21,520 and and we're very supportive of that. 1519 01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:26,640 Um and uh so in closing, I think this is 1520 01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:31,760 a straightforward request. Um and uh at 1521 01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:34,160 the end of the day, these homes will be 1522 01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:35,920 visually indistinguishable from the 1523 01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:37,760 halfacre lots already prevalent in 1524 01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:39,520 Grantsville. They will save the 1525 01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,240 homeowner over $100,000 in the price of 1526 01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,480 the home. And this subdivision will 1527 01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,559 align with the goals of the general plan 1528 01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:50,640 document. So, we request that you give 1529 01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:54,880 us your approval um for this um master 1530 01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:58,799 plan change. And um I'm I'm happy to 1531 01:07:58,799 --> 01:08:02,160 answer any questions from you now. Um or 1532 01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,079 I'm would love to come up and address 1533 01:08:04,079 --> 01:08:06,079 any concerns that come up out of the uh 1534 01:08:06,079 --> 01:08:08,880 the public comment. 1535 01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:10,880 >> Does anybody have any questions for 1536 01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:16,709 Jason at this time? 1537 01:08:16,719 --> 01:08:17,920 Okay, thank you. 1538 01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:30,229 >> Here. Thank you. 1539 01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:32,080 Anybody want to start us off with their 1540 01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,960 thoughts on this request? 1541 01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:36,480 >> Do we need to do public comment first or 1542 01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:37,040 we don't? 1543 01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,440 >> I think we has here that we have the 1544 01:08:39,440 --> 01:08:41,759 presentation in discussion and then we 1545 01:08:41,759 --> 01:08:47,110 will 1546 01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:49,199 Um, I'll just just say a couple of 1547 01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:58,319 comments in regards to this um these parcels of of land. Um, so just 1548 01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:00,400 this came before planning and zoning. 1549 01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:04,960 This was what maybe month ago and um it 1550 01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,759 was you know well represented by the 1551 01:09:07,759 --> 01:09:11,440 public public comment um and the 1552 01:09:11,440 --> 01:09:13,440 planning and zoning commission was it 1553 01:09:13,440 --> 01:09:18,640 was was not unanimous to deny it. It was 32 1554 01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:24,239 um and I just currently this is zoned 1555 01:09:24,239 --> 01:09:26,080 halfacre. 1556 01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:29,759 So, um, I would just if if anyone's 1557 01:09:29,759 --> 01:09:31,759 going to get up and and and make any 1558 01:09:31,759 --> 01:09:34,319 public comment, I would just like to 1559 01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:39,279 know from the public if the developer or 1560 01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:41,199 the developer that we've just talked to 1561 01:09:41,199 --> 01:09:44,239 or any other developer came up and said, 1562 01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:48,560 I want to put in 200 plus homes um, in 1563 01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:50,159 this area. I mean, how would the public 1564 01:09:50,159 --> 01:09:52,880 feel about that? Because as the stands 1565 01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:54,960 right now, they could come in and do 1566 01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,440 that fairly easily. And 1567 01:09:57,440 --> 01:09:59,520 >> right, they're a loted that. Yes. With 1568 01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:00,480 the present zoning, 1569 01:10:00,480 --> 01:10:01,840 >> they could do that. 1570 01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:03,360 >> So, 1571 01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:04,719 you know, we we can see it right there 1572 01:10:04,719 --> 01:10:07,920 on the board. Future school sites. Um, 1573 01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:11,520 is that a for sure thing? No. 1574 01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,719 um those of those individuals that have 1575 01:10:14,719 --> 01:10:18,560 um been involved and listened to the 1576 01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:20,000 planning and zoning. There was a lot of 1577 01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,960 talk about potential high school going 1578 01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:26,400 in in this area. Um 1579 01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:30,000 which is a pretty big shift from where 1580 01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,400 it is at currently. You know, about what 1581 01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,480 a mile away, a mile and a half, right? 1582 01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:35,600 If that. 1583 01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:37,440 >> I'm not sure it's that far, but it might 1584 01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:38,080 be 1585 01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:40,800 >> maybe a mile if that. 1586 01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,280 So, we'll definitely keep that in mind 1587 01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:46,159 and that that isn't and that's all up to 1588 01:10:46,159 --> 01:10:47,600 County School District as well. I mean, 1589 01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:48,239 that's 1590 01:10:48,239 --> 01:10:51,040 >> right. That is not our ability to decide 1591 01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:53,280 that. And I I also want to just state 1592 01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:54,800 this for the public if it's all right if 1593 01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:56,320 I interrupt for one second. Correct. 1594 01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:57,040 >> Perfectly fine. 1595 01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:00,960 >> Um the the school site, I know there's 1596 01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:02,239 been some concern. Well, why would we 1597 01:11:02,239 --> 01:11:03,679 put another high school right by the 1598 01:11:03,679 --> 01:11:06,320 present high school? That that's not the 1599 01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,480 intent. The present high school, 1600 01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:10,800 according to the school district, their 1601 01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:12,719 intent is to make the present high 1602 01:11:12,719 --> 01:11:14,800 school a junior high because the high 1603 01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,199 school has outgrown, as you can all tell 1604 01:11:17,199 --> 01:11:20,800 from all of the portables in the parking 1605 01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,199 lot. So, we would not be putting a 1606 01:11:23,199 --> 01:11:25,120 second high school in this area. Just 1607 01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:26,560 want to make sure that everybody is 1608 01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,719 clear on that or the school district 1609 01:11:28,719 --> 01:11:30,560 wouldn't. Has nothing to do with our 1610 01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:33,600 decision, but that is not their intent. 1611 01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,239 Sorry, Rick. Go ahead. 1612 01:11:36,239 --> 01:11:38,080 And just one last just word of 1613 01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:39,760 encouragement. I would actually like to 1614 01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,000 hear from the from the individuals who 1615 01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:46,640 actually own these parcels of land and see what their thoughts are. I mean, 1616 01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:48,080 if they could get up during public 1617 01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:50,239 comment and just express if they'd like 1618 01:11:50,239 --> 01:11:52,239 to just encourage them to do that as 1619 01:11:52,239 --> 01:11:54,239 well. That's my thought. 1620 01:11:54,239 --> 01:11:54,880 >> Okay. 1621 01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:59,600 >> Because Fieldstone does not own these parcels of land. 1622 01:11:59,600 --> 01:11:59,920 >> No, 1623 01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:01,360 >> there are residents of Grantsville who 1624 01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:03,040 own these parcels of land. So, 1625 01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:04,880 >> right. 1626 01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,120 Um, Jake, do you have any additional 1627 01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:08,239 comments? 1628 01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:10,159 >> I do not. I'll save mine for after. 1629 01:12:10,159 --> 01:12:11,360 >> Okay, Derek, I'm gonna 1630 01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:12,400 >> save mine for after. 1631 01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:12,800 >> Britney, 1632 01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,080 >> I just want to say I appreciate all the 1633 01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:15,040 public comment. It's been really 1634 01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:16,800 helpful. I was I'm not super familiar 1635 01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:17,920 with that, but I was just down in that 1636 01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:19,760 subdivision, but the public comment's 1637 01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:20,960 been helpful, especially those who are 1638 01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:23,600 part of the general plan. Um, so I think 1639 01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:25,600 it's been I think it's clear what the 1640 01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,920 community in that area wants to do. So, 1641 01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:29,840 >> okay, Jeff, do you have anything you'd 1642 01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:30,480 like to add? 1643 01:12:30,480 --> 01:12:31,120 >> I don't. 1644 01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:34,000 >> Okay. Um, at this point then we will 1645 01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:37,760 turn this back over to um a public 1646 01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:39,760 hearing item. And for the record, we 1647 01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:41,360 have received letters from Frank 1648 01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:44,080 Anderson, Scott Bridges, and Mara 1649 01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:47,040 Spencer um that has been presented to 1650 01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:49,360 the council. And so at this point, we 1651 01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:51,440 will open this up to additional comment 1652 01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:54,000 if anyone has anything new they'd like 1653 01:12:54,000 --> 01:13:04,630 to add to this discussion. 1654 01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:07,040 Michelle married again. So, for the 1655 01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:09,120 record, I back onto this property. So, 1656 01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:12,960 this directly impacts me and I agree 1657 01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:14,320 these people that own this property, 1658 01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:15,600 they should be able to sell it and make 1659 01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:18,159 money and build. It's zoned for halfacre 1660 01:13:18,159 --> 01:13:20,320 lots. I'm not against doing what it's 1661 01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:23,040 zoned for. Halfacre lots, great, but 1662 01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:26,320 like him saying that the yards, like I'm 1663 01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:29,120 an architect, so I do this every day. 1664 01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:31,360 Just because a half an acre to a quarter 1665 01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:32,960 acre, unless they have the whole 1666 01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,840 subdivision platted out, it that's not 1667 01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:38,640 saying that your lot can't be this shape 1668 01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,199 and there's 50 ft on the sides of them 1669 01:13:41,199 --> 01:13:44,000 rather than, you know, 10 ft between 1670 01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,159 these two guys. So that that doesn't 1671 01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:47,360 hold true unless they have the 1672 01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:49,199 subdivision platted out. Also, if you 1673 01:13:49,199 --> 01:13:51,440 look at the subdivision on the corner of 1674 01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:53,840 Willow and Pear versus the subdivision 1675 01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:56,000 on Willow and Dery that are halfacre 1676 01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:57,679 versus quarter acre, you can definitely 1677 01:13:57,679 --> 01:13:58,960 tell a difference which ones are quarter 1678 01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:00,480 acre and which ones are halfacre. 1679 01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:03,760 They're ones cuz the ones on Willow back 1680 01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:05,760 also back onto us. They're way bigger. 1681 01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:07,280 Like we have way bigger spaces in 1682 01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:09,199 between those houses. So, I'm just 1683 01:14:09,199 --> 01:14:11,440 saying. Also, I just want to add in it 1684 01:14:11,440 --> 01:14:13,920 has this subdivision and other 1685 01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,400 subdivisions. We do need another school, 1686 01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:18,640 but we're already getting taxed out. We 1687 01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:20,719 keep adding more and more kids to this 1688 01:14:20,719 --> 01:14:22,239 city, and I don't know how we're going 1689 01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:23,440 to afford to put another school. The 1690 01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:26,719 other school killed us last year. So, 1691 01:14:26,719 --> 01:14:27,120 something 1692 01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:28,880 >> What would your suggestion be then? I 1693 01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:30,640 mean, if we've outgrown the school we 1694 01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:31,199 have, what 1695 01:14:31,199 --> 01:14:34,000 >> Well, no, I'm I agree. I agree. But we 1696 01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:36,560 just keep adding more. So, doubling the 1697 01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:38,640 kids coming in for this subdivision 1698 01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:40,080 alone. Like, we just keep adding more 1699 01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:42,239 and more kids and we don't have the 1700 01:14:42,239 --> 01:14:43,840 infrastructure for it. We don't have the 1701 01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,760 schools and we don't have the tax money 1702 01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,159 obviously to keep building more schools. 1703 01:14:48,159 --> 01:14:49,679 So, 1704 01:14:49,679 --> 01:14:57,430 >> thank you. 1705 01:14:57,440 --> 01:15:00,480 » Yeah, Kevin Casey. A couple of comments 1706 01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:02,880 after listening to that. Uh, one, the 1707 01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,120 straw man argument about less water use 1708 01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,920 I find fairly uh humorous because that 1709 01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:09,440 just means more people with more yards 1710 01:15:09,440 --> 01:15:10,560 are still going to use the same amount 1711 01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:12,560 of water. So the water savings argument 1712 01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:15,600 I find uh just laughable on the surface. 1713 01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,120 Uh the other issue that the city has 1714 01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:18,320 been trapped in in the past is 1715 01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:20,880 precedence. By allowing any developer to 1716 01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:23,360 come in and change significant time 1717 01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:25,440 investment uh from the city and the 1718 01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:26,480 community in the past to come up with 1719 01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:28,080 the master development, the city's been 1720 01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:29,520 trapped in that game before by 1721 01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:33,040 developers uh that allowing a shift now 1722 01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:35,040 sets a precedence. What you think the 1723 01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:36,320 next set of developers not going to come 1724 01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,560 in and use that legally uh to say you've 1725 01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:41,199 allowed it here. uh we we demand it here 1726 01:15:41,199 --> 01:15:42,800 uh and then sue the city and then leave 1727 01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:44,239 the taxpayers holding the bill. Once 1728 01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:46,880 again, uh there is a history of that and 1729 01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:48,800 precedence is important. We came up with 1730 01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:50,960 the plan. It reflected uh the will of 1731 01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:52,880 the people. Bill stated it. Unless 1732 01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:54,880 there's a significant change to drive 1733 01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:57,120 that uh without consulting the people, 1734 01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:58,640 we should stick with the master plan the 1735 01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:00,239 people approved and that the city spent 1736 01:16:00,239 --> 01:16:03,120 significant time and money uh building. 1737 01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:03,679 Thank you. 1738 01:16:03,679 --> 01:16:07,510 >> Thank you. 1739 01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:13,910 Any 1740 01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:21,189 other comments? 1741 01:16:21,199 --> 01:16:24,400 » Hi uh Rig and Marriott. Um I just had a 1742 01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:26,400 couple of points just uh written down 1743 01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:28,320 from again from the developers 1744 01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:31,440 discussion. Um, 1745 01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:34,480 one I I kind of agree with Bill's 1746 01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:37,360 comments earlier that um general plan 1747 01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:43,120 changes are uh drastic and uh that the 1748 01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:46,560 two cases that he presented of whether u 1749 01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:50,880 it's a clerical issue or a major change 1750 01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,520 in like the moral character of the city 1751 01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:57,280 or general character of the city. Um, 1752 01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:58,960 neither of those have happened in my 1753 01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:03,840 opinion. Um, and then the developer, I'm 1754 01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:05,920 sorry, I don't remember your name. Uh, 1755 01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:09,040 he pointed out that there are points in 1756 01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:11,840 the general plan that the subdivision 1757 01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:16,480 aligns with. Um, listed the points. I 1758 01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:19,040 don't really see how those points are 1759 01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:21,040 applicable. There's no real argument 1760 01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:25,120 made to how it aligns. And so I I deem 1761 01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:28,239 it as debatable, not a a definitive 1762 01:17:28,239 --> 01:17:30,960 point. And then also um something that 1763 01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:32,320 was brought up in the planning and 1764 01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:35,280 zoning meeting was affordability um 1765 01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:37,600 which was an argument that was left out 1766 01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:41,360 um for this presentation. Um and the 1767 01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:44,640 movement from half acre to um smaller 1768 01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:48,080 lots is uh negligible in affordability 1769 01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:49,840 is really what the discussion in my 1770 01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:53,520 opinion came down to. um you move an 1771 01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:55,280 expensive home to slightly less 1772 01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:58,159 expensive, not from an expensive home to 1773 01:17:58,159 --> 01:18:00,400 an affordable home. And that's that's 1774 01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:01,520 all I got. 1775 01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:06,470 >> Thank you. 1776 01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:07,920 » Is there anyone else that would like to 1777 01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:09,280 make a comment or is there anyone 1778 01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:11,679 online? Alicia too. Okay. 1779 01:18:11,679 --> 01:18:14,400 >> So, we have KW. You'll have to state 1780 01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:19,110 your name for the record, please. 1781 01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:22,880 » Yeah. Hi, my name is Katherine West from 1782 01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:25,199 Grsville 1783 01:18:25,199 --> 01:18:27,600 and uh can you guys hear me? 1784 01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:28,560 >> Yes, thank you. 1785 01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,679 >> Oh, okay. Perfect. Well, I'm asking the 1786 01:18:31,679 --> 01:18:34,960 council to then after hearing all this, 1787 01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:36,880 I respect you guys and I know you guys 1788 01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:39,760 have a really hard decision to make, but 1789 01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,800 just keep it in mind that you guys are 1790 01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,679 here for the people. We voted for you 1791 01:18:45,679 --> 01:18:49,600 guys to represent us. And I hope our 1792 01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:53,520 comments and our concerns are being 1793 01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:56,560 heard because in the next couple years 1794 01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:59,600 maybe it's not going to be you guys or 1795 01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:02,560 someone else. But I'm asking the council 1796 01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:05,440 to deny this amendment. The proposed 1797 01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:08,640 change increased lot sizes, but it does 1798 01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:10,719 not change the actual character of the 1799 01:19:10,719 --> 01:19:13,840 homes or the neighborhood. The only real 1800 01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:17,040 difference from what I heard 1801 01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:19,520 are hitting on the rear 1802 01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:23,199 yards, higher land costs, higher fencing 1803 01:19:23,199 --> 01:19:26,239 costs, and significantly higher water 1804 01:19:26,239 --> 01:19:27,920 demand. 1805 01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:31,199 We're talking about over 100,000 1806 01:19:31,199 --> 01:19:34,159 in additional cost per lot. 1807 01:19:34,159 --> 01:19:36,480 With the economy right now how it is 1808 01:19:36,480 --> 01:19:40,320 already, um, a lot of people that can't 1809 01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:42,880 afford that. A lot of people from Salt 1810 01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:44,960 Lake, they're moving to Gransville 1811 01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,360 because they found more affordable 1812 01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:49,520 places here. 1813 01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:50,960 But people they already living here, 1814 01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:53,600 they cannot afford that 1815 01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:57,270 additional 1816 01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:00,640 we know at the end of the day all this 1817 01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:02,159 cost. 1818 01:20:02,159 --> 01:20:03,920 We don't see no benefits to the 1819 01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,080 community. 1820 01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:08,719 is already in a desert region where we 1821 01:20:08,719 --> 01:20:11,840 live where water is already a limited 1822 01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,480 and expensive resources. Increasing 1823 01:20:14,480 --> 01:20:17,760 irrigation demands is not a minor issue. 1824 01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:20,400 It is a long-term public concern. This 1825 01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:23,840 proposal reduces affordability 1826 01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:26,640 where 1827 01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:28,960 our conservations 1828 01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:30,719 is 1829 01:20:30,719 --> 01:20:35,760 off the roof with every job that we have 1830 01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:37,679 like someone else mentioned it. We can't 1831 01:20:37,679 --> 01:20:39,760 get 1832 01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:41,360 races, 1833 01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:44,480 gases off the roof, and bringing more 1834 01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:46,640 people into the community where houses 1835 01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,840 that are so expensive or taxes be going 1836 01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,000 up. At the end of the day, I we don't 1837 01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,239 hear nothing for the community that will 1838 01:20:54,239 --> 01:20:57,360 be beneficial for us. That's all. Thank 1839 01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:59,120 you. 1840 01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:01,760 >> Thank you. Is there a second online 1841 01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:05,840 comment? We have Rick. Okay. Hello, Rick 1842 01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,880 Bartchers again. Um, one of the things 1843 01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:12,560 that I believe Councilman Butler uh was 1844 01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:15,520 alluding to is what will happen to the 1845 01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:20,960 land when you change the uh zoning on 1846 01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:25,199 it. There's no agreement for that. Um, 1847 01:21:25,199 --> 01:21:27,679 who whatever development, whatever land 1848 01:21:27,679 --> 01:21:29,280 owner 1849 01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:31,280 uh says they're going to do this or 1850 01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:32,960 that, they can say, "Well, we changed 1851 01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:35,280 our mind." then you're stuck with the 1852 01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:38,640 quarter acre lots. Is that a big deal? 1853 01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:41,360 Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but that is 1854 01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:44,400 a very likely scenario. 1855 01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:48,480 Um, as far as affordability in housing 1856 01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:50,640 and how much it's going to save per 1857 01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:52,239 home, 1858 01:21:52,239 --> 01:21:54,639 I believe every member of the city 1859 01:21:54,639 --> 01:21:59,360 council there knows exactly or has a 1860 01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,920 fairly good idea of how many town homes 1861 01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:05,040 are about to be built in Grantsville, 1862 01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:07,520 how many smaller lots are already 1863 01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:11,600 okayed, already ready to go. um as far 1864 01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:14,400 as meeting the variable 1865 01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:17,600 uh future housing choice, this would 1866 01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:20,159 actually reduce it. I mean, the halfacre 1867 01:22:20,159 --> 01:22:22,960 lots as an option are just disappearing 1868 01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:28,320 right and left. Um if if if I have kids 1869 01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:30,719 um and they want to play, I'm willing to 1870 01:22:30,719 --> 01:22:33,040 pay for that extra yard. That's what I 1871 01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:35,920 did. I got grandkids that come over and 1872 01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:37,920 play in my yard. And you know, the 1873 01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:39,520 difference between a quarter acre and a 1874 01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:44,480 half acre, uh it's it's uh to say it's 1875 01:22:44,480 --> 01:22:47,679 $40,000 extra for sod, I think, is kind 1876 01:22:47,679 --> 01:22:49,440 of a stretch. I mean, that's some pretty 1877 01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:53,280 pricey sod. And um so as far as the 1878 01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:59,120 affordability issue goes, uh that's not even an argument. uh you know 1879 01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:01,520 are we going to reduce 1880 01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:06,159 every single land use area to provide 1881 01:23:06,159 --> 01:23:08,159 affordable housing? I mean that seems to 1882 01:23:08,159 --> 01:23:10,719 be the direction that the developers 1883 01:23:10,719 --> 01:23:14,320 believe we should all go. Um 1884 01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:16,480 one other issue that I would like to 1885 01:23:16,480 --> 01:23:20,080 point out is the water. Now I I know a 1886 01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:21,840 little bit about water. I know you guys 1887 01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:23,920 know a little bit about water. Um, one 1888 01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,719 thing I would like to point out is how 1889 01:23:26,719 --> 01:23:30,159 many uh what what's the water allotment 1890 01:23:30,159 --> 01:23:34,880 for the variable 52 acres of property? 1891 01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:38,400 What what water is going with that? Does 1892 01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:41,440 this document line that out? I mean, is 1893 01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:44,159 it is it specified who's giving up what 1894 01:23:44,159 --> 01:23:46,400 water? Because I mean, there's a lot of 1895 01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,960 different land owners there. I know it's 1896 01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:50,880 currently being irrigated, so I know 1897 01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:54,400 water is there and available. Um, but 1898 01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:58,000 what water lays with the uh donated 1899 01:23:58,000 --> 01:23:59,840 land, I I don't believe that that was 1900 01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:02,639 specified. So anyway, uh this is 1901 01:24:02,639 --> 01:24:04,320 something that would be better addressed 1902 01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:06,320 under a PUD. 1903 01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:12,239 Um a change in the future land use plan 1904 01:24:12,239 --> 01:24:16,000 or uh you know well just changing the 1905 01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:18,320 future land use plan. That's all you're 1906 01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:20,239 doing. You're not agreeing. They're not 1907 01:24:20,239 --> 01:24:23,679 agreeing to really do anything. So, uh, 1908 01:24:23,679 --> 01:24:25,520 except make more money. And that's all I 1909 01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:27,600 got to say. Thanks. 1910 01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:34,870 >> Thank you. 1911 01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:38,000 » Uh, Joanne Jacobs again. Uh, one thing 1912 01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:40,159 to maybe consider, not just with this 1913 01:24:40,159 --> 01:24:41,600 development, but with the other ones 1914 01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:43,760 that are going to come up in the future. 1915 01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:45,840 I have a property on a main road coming 1916 01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:50,880 into town and it is nonstop traffic from 1917 01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:54,080 about 7 a.m. to about I don't know 1000 1918 01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:57,920 p.m. probably just all all day long. 1919 01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:03,120 It's just traffic all day. And um that 1920 01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:05,360 in order to resolve that, that would re 1921 01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:08,320 mean putting money into roads, which 1922 01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:10,560 would mean raising taxes, which brings 1923 01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:12,960 us back around to 1924 01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:14,960 people being taxed out of their homes. 1925 01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:17,520 So, you know, please think about that 1926 01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:19,520 when you're considering things like 1927 01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:20,880 this, too. 1928 01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:24,159 >> Thank you. Anyone else online? Alicia, 1929 01:25:24,159 --> 01:25:25,760 >> we do have Lisa. 1930 01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:27,760 >> Okay. 1931 01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:29,600 >> Hi. Can you hear me? 1932 01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:30,880 >> Yes. 1933 01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:35,840 Okay, Lisa Ling Walligan. Um, I find it 1934 01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:39,440 kind of interesting how the developer 1935 01:25:39,440 --> 01:25:42,080 has stated all these things of how it's 1936 01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:44,239 going to cost this much and that much 1937 01:25:44,239 --> 01:25:47,360 and particularly in the water 1938 01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:49,199 um conversation 1939 01:25:49,199 --> 01:25:52,480 because, you know, I I have one of the 1940 01:25:52,480 --> 01:25:54,800 lots that's on the corner and so we have 1941 01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:57,920 almost an acre and we've been very aware 1942 01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:00,800 of the water consumption and so we have 1943 01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:05,600 landscaped our property to be very um 1944 01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:08,560 water friendly. Mostly we have a lot of 1945 01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:11,760 gravel. We actually have the retention 1946 01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:15,360 pond in our backyard. And so 1947 01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:18,800 um people are aware of the water use. 1948 01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:22,960 And so to double the amount of homes is 1949 01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:24,960 going to double the amount of water 1950 01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:27,760 versus on the halfacre lots where people 1951 01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:30,400 I believe will be more responsible with 1952 01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:35,040 their water um usage and 1953 01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:38,400 um landscaping in order to make that be 1954 01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:41,360 a more water friendly environment for 1955 01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:43,360 their families and so that they have 1956 01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:46,400 more play areas and more, you know, um 1957 01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:49,600 maybe a chicken coupe or or gardening 1958 01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:53,520 sheds or whatever. Um, even garden boxes 1959 01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:56,400 or land where they can garden, whereas 1960 01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:59,199 the smaller lots won't allow that kind 1961 01:26:59,199 --> 01:27:03,199 of thing. Um, and I also just find it 1962 01:27:03,199 --> 01:27:04,880 interesting that he talks about 1963 01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:07,440 affordability and so forth, but it seems 1964 01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:10,800 like to me that making these lots 1965 01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:12,480 smaller, the only thing it's really 1966 01:27:12,480 --> 01:27:14,800 accomplishing is more money for the 1967 01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:16,480 developer. 1968 01:27:16,480 --> 01:27:20,159 So, that's my two cents on that. 1969 01:27:20,159 --> 01:27:28,229 >> Thank you, Lisa. 1970 01:27:28,239 --> 01:27:32,080 Michael Danwick again resident the I 1971 01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:34,080 guess just one simple question is this 1972 01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:38,159 future site school site is it all part 1973 01:27:38,159 --> 01:27:41,600 of this master whatever development are 1974 01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:43,679 we are we horse swapping here is that 1975 01:27:43,679 --> 01:27:45,840 what the proposal is 1976 01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:49,120 >> taking the halfacre lots zoning we'll 1977 01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:52,080 give you this 54 acre school site for 1978 01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:54,719 the quarter acre lots is that part of 1979 01:27:54,719 --> 01:27:56,159 this No, 1980 01:27:56,159 --> 01:28:00,560 >> it's just looking just looking kind of 1981 01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:02,159 >> not knowing the past history of this. 1982 01:28:02,159 --> 01:28:07,199 I'm just asking if that's part of the agreement because obviously 1983 01:28:07,199 --> 01:28:09,920 you know my history with 20 wells or the 1984 01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,960 wells anytime the city gets caught horse 1985 01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:16,560 swapping, we always get the very tail 1986 01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:18,800 end of it. So 1987 01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:20,320 >> this was this would be a negotiation 1988 01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:23,920 with the school district, not the city. 1989 01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:26,320 But the city now this would be part of 1990 01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:28,000 the city if this is part of the horse 1991 01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:31,040 trading to go from half acre to quarter 1992 01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:33,040 acres in order to do the quarter acre 1993 01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:36,320 will give up this 54 acres. I know for a 1994 01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:40,070 fact right now 1995 01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:43,440 that every time the city goes with 1996 01:28:43,440 --> 01:28:45,360 developers, 1997 01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:48,320 like I said before, really look at what 1998 01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:53,040 we're getting in bed with cuz 20 Wells. 1999 01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:56,239 Now we've got a promised park that was 2000 01:28:56,239 --> 01:28:58,960 supposed to be developed now and it's 2001 01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:02,719 still not developed. Scenic Slopes. So, 2002 01:29:02,719 --> 01:29:04,880 if that's part of the deal, really think 2003 01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:07,040 about it and ask the developer if that's 2004 01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:08,800 part of the thing because a developer is 2005 01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:11,280 not going to give up x amount of dollars 2006 01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:13,520 if there's nothing to benefit from it. 2007 01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:16,320 So, if there's horse trade involved, 2008 01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:17,679 stay out from underneath the horse's 2009 01:29:17,679 --> 01:29:20,639 tail because we usually get landed on. 2010 01:29:20,639 --> 01:29:29,030 >> Thank you. 2011 01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:33,510 » Any other comments? 2012 01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:36,639 Yeah, it's Mark Spencer again. So, the 2013 01:29:36,639 --> 01:29:38,400 future school site, we don't take that 2014 01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:40,800 into any consideration. So, what we are 2015 01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:42,239 doing is we're saying we're going to do 2016 01:29:42,239 --> 01:29:44,719 quarteracre lots for that whole parcel, 2017 01:29:44,719 --> 01:29:46,560 not just the 54. We're doing it for the 2018 01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:47,520 whole parcel. 2019 01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:48,960 >> And again, I'm going to go back to the 2020 01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:51,920 water again because 2021 01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:54,320 the half acre versus a quarter acre. And 2022 01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:57,360 how we can't see that a quarter acre and 2023 01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:59,920 a half acre are different. I I don't 2024 01:29:59,920 --> 01:30:01,679 know how we can't see that. I live on an 2025 01:30:01,679 --> 01:30:04,400 acre. The the development I'm in is on 2026 01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:06,320 acres. I know the difference between an 2027 01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:08,800 acre, a half acre, and a quarter acre 2028 01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:12,159 very easily. And again, water, we can 2029 01:30:12,159 --> 01:30:14,239 build a sewer. We can build certain 2030 01:30:14,239 --> 01:30:16,560 things. A water share, you asked about, 2031 01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:17,760 you know, how many shares were going 2032 01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:20,560 with it. It doesn't matter. We, like I 2033 01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:22,880 said, 200,000 gallons per share when we 2034 01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:25,760 moved out here. It is now 50. It's a 2035 01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:28,480 quarter of what we had. So, it's really 2036 01:30:28,480 --> 01:30:31,280 expensive to water anything. People are 2037 01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:33,360 being put on city water to water their 2038 01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:36,000 yards right now. I don't think that's 2039 01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:38,080 acceptable at this point either. So, as 2040 01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:40,560 she was stating, we know in our yards 2041 01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:43,440 how to landscape, but quarter acres is 2042 01:30:43,440 --> 01:30:46,080 just doubling the water. That's it. 2043 01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:51,590 Thank you. 2044 01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:54,880 Anyone else? 2045 01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:57,600 Anyone online? Alicia, 2046 01:30:57,600 --> 01:30:58,159 >> no. 2047 01:30:58,159 --> 01:31:00,800 >> Okay, we'll close the public hearing and 2048 01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:03,199 return back to our discussion with the 2049 01:31:03,199 --> 01:31:07,910 council. 2050 01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,080 » And thank you all for your comments. Go 2051 01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:13,679 ahead, Jason. 2052 01:31:13,679 --> 01:31:15,600 Is is now the right time to address some 2053 01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:18,560 of those things? It is. Is that okay? 2054 01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:21,760 >> So, uh just just a couple of uh of 2055 01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:24,480 things I think might just be helpful. um 2056 01:31:24,480 --> 01:31:26,480 this the confusion around the school, 2057 01:31:26,480 --> 01:31:28,719 right, that came up before that is 2058 01:31:28,719 --> 01:31:32,000 that's not part of the request. Um the 2059 01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:33,920 image got put in and should have been 2060 01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:36,480 taken out. So we're we're we're not 2061 01:31:36,480 --> 01:31:38,960 talking about the school here. Um as far 2062 01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:42,080 as uh um commonly used quarter acre lot, 2063 01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:43,840 we're also not talking about quarterly 2064 01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:45,920 quarteracre lots. These are minimum of 2065 01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:47,920 12,000 foot lots, right? That's the 2066 01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:50,000 minimum. So on on average, these will be 2067 01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:54,080 third acre lots. Um and um when we talk 2068 01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:56,480 about the significance of change that's 2069 01:31:56,480 --> 01:32:00,000 happened um over time in our market and 2070 01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:02,800 everybody's heard of COVID, right? Um 2071 01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:05,040 that was a significant change. Our 2072 01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:07,199 market changed completely during that 2073 01:32:07,199 --> 01:32:10,480 time. Um and and costs have continued to 2074 01:32:10,480 --> 01:32:14,880 rise since then in addition to uh um the 2075 01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:16,560 price of homes, the price of land, and 2076 01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:18,960 everything else. Um so it it this 2077 01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:20,800 doesn't come without significant 2078 01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:22,639 differences in from when the general 2079 01:32:22,639 --> 01:32:25,360 plan was uh the map which was even 2080 01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:26,880 earlier than the last amendment to the 2081 01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:28,960 general plan was even created. So you 2082 01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:31,679 are making um you are making decisions 2083 01:32:31,679 --> 01:32:34,159 here based on what has happened over 2084 01:32:34,159 --> 01:32:36,480 time and since the general plan map was 2085 01:32:36,480 --> 01:32:38,719 updated. It is important and it is an 2086 01:32:38,719 --> 01:32:40,639 important consideration to understand 2087 01:32:40,639 --> 01:32:43,199 those uh those things which you all know 2088 01:32:43,199 --> 01:32:46,800 and feel um everyone on this council as 2089 01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:48,480 well as everyone in this audience in 2090 01:32:48,480 --> 01:32:51,199 terms of uh costs and and how they 2091 01:32:51,199 --> 01:32:53,040 continue to rise. And one of the ways we 2092 01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:56,480 combat that is through addressing land 2093 01:32:56,480 --> 01:33:00,639 use and addressing um how these um 2094 01:33:00,639 --> 01:33:04,320 subdivisions uh plan out for now and for 2095 01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:07,520 the future because the future is grim in 2096 01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:11,840 terms of uh um housing affordability. So 2097 01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:13,679 we do bring that up because it is 2098 01:33:13,679 --> 01:33:18,400 important. Um, I shared with the uh the 2099 01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:20,239 uh planning commission last time and I'm 2100 01:33:20,239 --> 01:33:21,840 happy to share it here if if you'd like 2101 01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:24,639 to see it, but the the difference in 2102 01:33:24,639 --> 01:33:28,239 income versus uh the household income 2103 01:33:28,239 --> 01:33:32,000 since 1980 to current versus the median 2104 01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:34,400 home price from the same time till 2105 01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:37,199 current, right? Um the the difference 2106 01:33:37,199 --> 01:33:39,840 between those two has gone up nearly 2107 01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:42,800 700% over the other. Uh that is 2108 01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:44,960 significant. and that we should not take 2109 01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:46,800 that lightly and it can't be turned 2110 01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:50,239 back. It is the new reality. So yeah, we 2111 01:33:50,239 --> 01:33:53,280 are making uh big decisions here and 2112 01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:55,199 there's lots of things to consider and 2113 01:33:55,199 --> 01:33:58,719 those things are not little. So I I do 2114 01:33:58,719 --> 01:34:01,520 want to just remind you of that. Um and 2115 01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:03,679 uh because I I think everything that's 2116 01:34:03,679 --> 01:34:05,920 said here is applicable, right, in terms 2117 01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:09,760 of of cost and $100,000 in a home is not 2118 01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:12,000 insignificant. It's very sign 2119 01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:13,280 >> Jason. Yes. 2120 01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:15,440 >> Since you're on that point, um I think 2121 01:34:15,440 --> 01:34:17,040 it's important for the council to hear 2122 01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:19,280 too in this in the p in the planning and 2123 01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:21,520 zoning meeting, you brought up the price 2124 01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:23,600 points of what it would be for the 2125 01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:25,679 halfacre lots and then what it would be 2126 01:34:25,679 --> 01:34:28,000 if it got zoned to the 12,000 square 2127 01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:30,560 foot acre lots. Could you kind of tell 2128 01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:32,639 us what your those price points were? 2129 01:34:32,639 --> 01:34:34,080 You had specific price points. I think 2130 01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,159 you said I won't say you can tell us 2131 01:34:36,159 --> 01:34:38,000 what you said for the halfacre then what 2132 01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:39,760 these ones would be triep. 2133 01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:42,719 >> Yeah. So, um, what was suggested, right, 2134 01:34:42,719 --> 01:34:45,040 with zones in these in the area on those 2135 01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:47,280 price points would be around $800,000. 2136 01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:50,400 And what I said was that we can bring 2137 01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:56,000 down the cost of that, right, through the the difference between the 2138 01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:59,280 lot size of the rear yard. Um, what what 2139 01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:01,760 we're really talking about is that 2140 01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:03,920 difference in in terms of a percentage. 2141 01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:05,520 So, 2142 01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:07,600 it doesn't it doesn't matter where we're 2143 01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:10,320 starting, right? in in terms of home 2144 01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:13,199 price because these homes are expensive 2145 01:35:13,199 --> 01:35:15,120 no matter what. What really matters is 2146 01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:19,360 can we add value and and the answer is 2147 01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:22,960 yes through the reduction in cost. 2148 01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:25,280 >> Okay. I mean I know but you there you 2149 01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:27,040 specifically said what your houses were 2150 01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:30,960 going to be at at 12,000 at the 112 at 2151 01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:32,719 that price point. So I think it's 2152 01:35:32,719 --> 01:35:34,639 important for everyone to hear what what 2153 01:35:34,639 --> 01:35:36,480 that number you said. I think it was 2154 01:35:36,480 --> 01:35:38,800 correct me if I'm wrong. you said like 2155 01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:41,120 in the 700,000 750 2156 01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:43,040 >> I would say it's probably likely that is 2157 01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:44,880 what I said I don't know the answer to 2158 01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:47,280 that because what's what comes right 2159 01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:50,480 later once we um get into the actual 2160 01:35:50,480 --> 01:35:52,800 design right because the costs will 2161 01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:55,280 change from here till then right um but 2162 01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:57,679 that is kind of where those home prices 2163 01:35:57,679 --> 01:36:03,270 are correct 2164 01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:04,719 » is there anything else you'd like to 2165 01:36:04,719 --> 01:36:06,400 >> No unless you have unless you have any 2166 01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:08,560 specific questions I'd love to answer 2167 01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:12,709 those for you. 2168 01:36:12,719 --> 01:36:14,239 » I think we're good for a minute. Thank 2169 01:36:14,239 --> 01:36:26,629 >> you. 2170 01:36:26,639 --> 01:36:28,960 After hearing the public hearing items 2171 01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:31,120 that were presented by the public, does 2172 01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:34,239 anybody have any new 2173 01:36:34,239 --> 01:36:37,120 thoughts or concerns? 2174 01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:39,040 or would you like to state your opinion 2175 01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:41,840 on this whole 2176 01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:44,800 scenario? 2177 01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:49,840 >> Um, I'll start. Um, so I was on planning 2178 01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:53,920 commission for three years and that was 2179 01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:55,840 one of my I'd say my biggest pet peeves 2180 01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:58,560 was developers coming in knowing the 2181 01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:01,040 land, the zoning that they got and they 2182 01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:03,840 come in and ask for reszones. Um, they 2183 01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:07,760 know what they're getting into. they they should plan the development 2184 01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:10,159 around around that. Another issue, 2185 01:37:10,159 --> 01:37:12,239 another thing is we're about ready to do 2186 01:37:12,239 --> 01:37:14,400 a new general plan. We know those aren't 2187 01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:18,560 cheap and I think that we should stick 2188 01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:21,440 with the general plan and what what 2189 01:37:21,440 --> 01:37:23,040 we've done, you know, for the last time 2190 01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:24,800 if we want to wait and do the general 2191 01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:26,800 plan and see what changes. I know there 2192 01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:28,880 was some talk about the city center 2193 01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:31,600 shifted so things could change but 2194 01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:34,320 what's the point of a general plan if we 2195 01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:36,159 just approve 2196 01:37:36,159 --> 01:37:38,159 you know amendments to them all the 2197 01:37:38,159 --> 01:37:41,760 time. Um we've held firm on a on a 2198 01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:44,080 couple of them up on the the west side. 2199 01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:46,480 Um they came in want smaller lots. We 2200 01:37:46,480 --> 01:37:48,239 held firm with the halfacre lots. That's 2201 01:37:48,239 --> 01:37:51,040 what it was zoned for. Um we had a big 2202 01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:52,719 turnout like this. This is when I was on 2203 01:37:52,719 --> 01:37:55,199 planning commission and uh listened to 2204 01:37:55,199 --> 01:37:56,960 the citizens and and we stuck with our 2205 01:37:56,960 --> 01:37:59,679 guns and we said that's the that's the 2206 01:37:59,679 --> 01:38:01,679 zoning that we're we're going to allow. 2207 01:38:01,679 --> 01:38:06,800 So I think that you need to I mean 2208 01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:08,560 we know there's a shiny object that 2209 01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:10,239 might happen but we can't look at that 2210 01:38:10,239 --> 01:38:11,920 right now and I don't think we should 2211 01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:14,560 change the zoning for this development. 2212 01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:17,360 I think it needs to stay at halfacre and 2213 01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:18,800 I mean what's the point? Are we going to 2214 01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:20,080 spend all this money on a new new 2215 01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:22,719 general plan and then just change it, 2216 01:38:22,719 --> 01:38:24,560 you know, every time someone comes 2217 01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:27,119 before us? I mean, if that's the case, 2218 01:38:27,119 --> 01:38:28,480 then we shouldn't waste the money on a 2219 01:38:28,480 --> 01:38:32,550 general plan. 2220 01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:35,600 » Thank you, Derek. Anyone else have any 2221 01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:45,430 they'd like to add? 2222 01:38:45,440 --> 01:38:48,800 » Yeah, I've got a couple of comments. Um 2223 01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:50,480 >> yeah, the general plan is the will of 2224 01:38:50,480 --> 01:38:55,199 the people and and that is I remember 2225 01:38:55,199 --> 01:38:58,239 very vividly when it's been some years 2226 01:38:58,239 --> 01:38:59,920 when 2227 01:38:59,920 --> 01:39:02,400 uh this area was specifically discussed 2228 01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:05,119 and and and mainly because I had a home 2229 01:39:05,119 --> 01:39:08,880 up in that area at the time and and 2230 01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:11,360 there was a lot of discussion of higher 2231 01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:13,280 density in that area at the time. And 2232 01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:14,800 so, 2233 01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:17,679 um, so this area was specifically laid 2234 01:39:17,679 --> 01:39:19,520 out and the homes around this area was 2235 01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:24,400 specifically laid out, um, with the, uh, 2236 01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:29,760 with halfacre or or greater lot sizes. 2237 01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:34,320 And so I in in the comments that were brought to that meeting 2238 01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:36,719 specifically were that it, you know, 2239 01:39:36,719 --> 01:39:40,800 maintain that look and feel. And so, 2240 01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:43,600 um, I know the, 2241 01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:45,679 uh, planning and zoning has a 2242 01:39:45,679 --> 01:39:52,639 recommended denial of this. Um, based on that feel, there's homes on all sides 2243 01:39:52,639 --> 01:39:56,320 of this or three sides of this property 2244 01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:59,520 that meet the, uh, 2245 01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:03,920 higher acreage. And so, 2246 01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:06,960 uh, my feel is that, uh, we should 2247 01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:12,080 follow the general plan amendment and follow the recommendation of our 2248 01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:14,880 planning and zoning and the denial of 2249 01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:17,920 this based on that. 2250 01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:24,550 >> Thank you. Anyone else? 2251 01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:27,520 » I just I feel the same way. Um, love the 2252 01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:32,880 area. um got his son building across the 2253 01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:36,880 street on a half an acre lot and uh 2254 01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:42,639 hopefully making that happen. So I um 2255 01:40:42,639 --> 01:40:45,840 I think I think it's an amazing area. I 2256 01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:48,000 think it's an area that anyone would 2257 01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:51,760 want to live in and uh 2258 01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:55,600 real real part of our 2259 01:40:55,600 --> 01:40:58,880 town. So, um, 2260 01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:01,360 so yeah. Yeah, I would I'd feel the same 2261 01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:04,239 way about keeping the general plan and 2262 01:41:04,239 --> 01:41:05,679 following the planning and zonings 2263 01:41:05,679 --> 01:41:08,560 council. 2264 01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:10,639 >> Brad or Britney, anything? 2265 01:41:10,639 --> 01:41:12,000 >> My thought was I mean, I know you said, 2266 01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:13,520 you know, housing prices are grim, but I 2267 01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:14,960 don't think that's because we're we're 2268 01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:16,320 lacking town homes or other things. It's 2269 01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:17,360 just because cost of living is 2270 01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:18,800 increasing every time you step out the 2271 01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:20,800 door. So, it's I agree. I think we 2272 01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:21,840 should stick with the general plan in 2273 01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:23,520 this area. We have other options for 2274 01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:24,800 things that are coming in in town homes 2275 01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:26,960 and smaller lots. I think like we said 2276 01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:29,920 the general plan was approved and uh 2277 01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:31,920 people who were there and you know were 2278 01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:33,440 part of that are asking us to keep it 2279 01:41:33,440 --> 01:41:38,390 the same. So, I think we should give it 2280 01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:41,520 » my thoughts on this um since they since 2281 01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:43,679 they proposed this has always gone to 2282 01:41:43,679 --> 01:41:46,480 the west side of Grantsville as well um 2283 01:41:46,480 --> 01:41:48,880 with the parcel that Derek was was 2284 01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:51,040 talking about that we kind of held 2285 01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:53,920 strong to the halfacre lots and and just 2286 01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:56,800 the fill of that and 2287 01:41:56,800 --> 01:41:58,480 there there's you and I drove up there 2288 01:41:58,480 --> 01:42:00,639 and there's not much there 2289 01:42:00,639 --> 01:42:03,760 >> and we both said that's what This feels 2290 01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:05,040 like it feels like it needs to be a 2291 01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:07,360 little bit more open. 2292 01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:09,440 When we do the general plan amendment, 2293 01:42:09,440 --> 01:42:13,119 this may change. We we may we may adjust 2294 01:42:13,119 --> 01:42:19,760 it, but to me, the the halfacre lots and what we have currently is is is what 2295 01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:23,360 it what it wants to be right now. So, 2296 01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:24,719 that's my thought. 2297 01:42:24,719 --> 01:42:27,040 >> Okay. 2298 01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:30,950 Any other discussion? 2299 01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:33,360 So, I'll make a motion that we deny 2300 01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:36,239 ordinance 2026-9. 2301 01:42:36,239 --> 01:42:37,760 Um, 2302 01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:39,600 and don't change this general plan 2303 01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:41,119 amendment for this Wellstone 2304 01:42:41,119 --> 01:42:42,320 subdivision. 2305 01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:44,080 >> Okay, we have a motion by Council Member 2306 01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:45,520 Butler. Is there a second? 2307 01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:46,480 >> I'll second. 2308 01:42:46,480 --> 01:42:49,040 >> Second by Council Member Dalton. All in 2309 01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:53,830 favor? 2310 01:42:53,840 --> 01:42:56,159 » All right. Moving on to item number 2311 01:42:56,159 --> 01:43:00,000 eight. I believe we still have to have 2312 01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:05,669 the public hearing. Is that correct? 2313 01:43:05,679 --> 01:43:08,159 » So, um 2314 01:43:08,159 --> 01:43:10,880 I think we've had all the 2315 01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:12,800 >> information presented. So, we'll open 2316 01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:17,590 this back up to public comment. 2317 01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:19,520 And is there anyone online? 2318 01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:21,679 >> Oh, sorry. 2319 01:43:21,679 --> 01:43:25,040 >> Any additional comments? 2320 01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:28,080 Okay, we will close the public hearing. 2321 01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:30,080 Is there any further discussion or would 2322 01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:31,760 anyone like to make a motion? 2323 01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:33,679 >> May, I'll make a motion we deny 2324 01:43:33,679 --> 01:43:36,159 ordinance 2026-20 2325 01:43:36,159 --> 01:43:39,440 approving the reszone of R121 to R112 2326 01:43:39,440 --> 01:43:41,440 for Wellstone subdivision. Council 2327 01:43:41,440 --> 01:43:41,840 second. 2328 01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:43,360 >> We have a motion by council member 2329 01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:45,119 Dalton and a second by council member 2330 01:43:45,119 --> 01:43:46,960 Butler. All in favor? 2331 01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:51,109 >> I. 2332 01:43:51,119 --> 01:43:54,880 Okay, moving on to item number nine, the 2333 01:43:54,880 --> 01:43:58,400 discussion of the fiscal year 27 budget. 2334 01:43:58,400 --> 01:44:00,080 I would like to note this is a 2335 01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:02,480 discussion item only. No action or 2336 01:44:02,480 --> 01:44:04,400 public comment will be taken during this 2337 01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:07,360 meeting at this time, but I also would 2338 01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:09,600 like to add 2339 01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:11,760 that the public hearing on the tentative 2340 01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:14,400 budget will be held on June 3rd at 7 2341 01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:18,719 p.m. here at the Grantsville City Hall. 2342 01:44:18,719 --> 01:44:20,719 And we will turn 2343 01:44:20,719 --> 01:44:22,639 this over to Aspen, our financial 2344 01:44:22,639 --> 01:45:15,270 director for the city. 2345 01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:17,199 as we 2346 01:45:17,199 --> 01:45:30,629 have to 2347 01:45:30,639 --> 01:45:34,639 Um, okay. 2348 01:45:34,639 --> 01:45:36,719 So, as we dive in, I did want to address 2349 01:45:36,719 --> 01:45:39,679 a few things. Um, 2350 01:45:39,679 --> 01:45:43,199 just based on our meeting from last week 2351 01:45:43,199 --> 01:45:46,480 that I did address this budget that you 2352 01:45:46,480 --> 01:45:49,360 see up here. Um, 2353 01:45:49,360 --> 01:45:54,480 it did come up that I had not budgeted 2354 01:45:54,480 --> 01:45:58,159 for our rental property maintenance. So 2355 01:45:58,159 --> 01:45:59,600 that has been added to the city hall 2356 01:45:59,600 --> 01:46:04,080 line um at 3000. Just wanted to point 2357 01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:06,800 that out. Um 2358 01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:08,880 we did combine public work safety 2359 01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:11,760 equipment to the garbage fund to make 2360 01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:14,400 things easier for Christy and her team 2361 01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:16,159 when they need to distribute that safety 2362 01:46:16,159 --> 01:46:19,360 equipment. Um 2363 01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:21,760 I had adjusted the judge's wages from my 2364 01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:24,960 miscommunication with Judge Topham. 2365 01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:27,440 Um, and water meter, the hydro water 2366 01:46:27,440 --> 01:46:31,360 meter sales, um, they do go, 2367 01:46:31,360 --> 01:46:34,800 um, I did confirm and just we do keep 2368 01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:36,480 the deposit separate when they rent the 2369 01:46:36,480 --> 01:46:38,560 hydrant meter, but as far as actual 2370 01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:40,080 revenues that come from that, that does 2371 01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:45,440 just come into our um, sale of 2372 01:46:45,440 --> 01:46:48,800 water. So, um, this metered water sales 2373 01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:50,480 line, that's just where it goes. So, 2374 01:46:50,480 --> 01:46:53,360 those are some questions. Um some other 2375 01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:55,600 questions u I know Rat you had asked me 2376 01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:57,440 about how much public relief funds that 2377 01:46:57,440 --> 01:46:59,360 we had received 2378 01:46:59,360 --> 01:47:02,400 um between ARPA and the car's act um 2379 01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:04,719 grants the city received approximately 2380 01:47:04,719 --> 01:47:08,790 3,328,92 2381 01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:13,760 in relief funds. Um 2382 01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:15,440 so 2383 01:47:15,440 --> 01:47:21,679 that's follow up on that and then um 2384 01:47:21,679 --> 01:47:25,280 I did speak with our CPA consultant 2385 01:47:25,280 --> 01:47:28,239 about um the discussion of budgeting our 2386 01:47:28,239 --> 01:47:32,000 road supervisor with our classy roads. 2387 01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:36,639 Um it was recommended not to adjust it 2388 01:47:36,639 --> 01:47:39,040 this year solely for the purpose of we 2389 01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:41,520 don't have a history at this time. He 2390 01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:43,760 did say next year it would be a 2391 01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:45,600 potential once we have a history to show 2392 01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:48,159 how much of those wages did end up 2393 01:47:48,159 --> 01:47:50,480 coming and were able to be covered by 2394 01:47:50,480 --> 01:47:53,119 classy road money that we could then 2395 01:47:53,119 --> 01:47:55,920 budget based on an informed decision. 2396 01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:58,239 But he said right now he would not 2397 01:47:58,239 --> 01:48:00,080 recommend 2398 01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:02,639 budgeting with that. So 2399 01:48:02,639 --> 01:48:05,040 >> I have not made that change or his 2400 01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:06,400 recommendation at this time. So right 2401 01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:12,070 now nothing there has changed. Um 2402 01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:15,679 » so yes and then we did discuss the 2403 01:48:15,679 --> 01:48:17,360 difference between the polar rates 2404 01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:21,199 Derek. Um, so if we were to, currently 2405 01:48:21,199 --> 01:48:23,280 they're still in at the 3% across the 2406 01:48:23,280 --> 01:48:26,000 board, but if we did take them out, it 2407 01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:29,679 would if no one if we did no increases 2408 01:48:29,679 --> 01:48:32,320 at all, it would be approximately 2409 01:48:32,320 --> 01:48:34,159 193,000 2410 01:48:34,159 --> 01:48:35,760 in savings. 2411 01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:44,070 >> Um, and if we only did savings, 2412 01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:46,960 » um, 2413 01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:52,229 if we only saved. 2414 01:48:52,239 --> 01:48:54,159 » If we only did raises to hourly 2415 01:48:54,159 --> 01:48:56,719 employees, um that would be 2416 01:48:56,719 --> 01:48:59,280 approximately $57,2001 2417 01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:00,960 in savings. So, 2418 01:49:00,960 --> 01:49:02,080 >> what was that again? 2419 01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:04,000 >> $57,21 2420 01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:05,920 in savings. So, it would reduce the 2421 01:49:05,920 --> 01:49:09,440 general fund budget by that. But 2422 01:49:09,440 --> 01:49:10,880 that's how much it would be reduced by, 2423 01:49:10,880 --> 01:49:11,920 right? That's not how much it would 2424 01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:15,750 cost. That's 2425 01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:17,360 so 2426 01:49:17,360 --> 01:49:18,639 >> sorry I was coming up with the first 2427 01:49:18,639 --> 01:49:25,430 number if we cut all color 193,000. 2428 01:49:25,440 --> 01:49:28,800 So that would reduce this number. Now, 2429 01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:35,440 um her conversation with um city manager 2430 01:49:35,440 --> 01:49:39,760 and mayor, I have taken the um we don't 2431 01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:41,760 have it yet anyway, but I did take the 2432 01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:45,040 18 million water credit money out of the 2433 01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:47,760 budget currently, so it is not included. 2434 01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:53,360 So, the capital fund projects fund um I 2435 01:49:53,360 --> 01:49:55,760 did budget. So, 2436 01:49:55,760 --> 01:49:57,600 um, we don't need to budget additional 2437 01:49:57,600 --> 01:49:59,280 funding for scenic slopes because what's 2438 01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:02,159 not used from this year will roll over. 2439 01:50:02,159 --> 01:50:04,320 Um, so the only amount that will need to 2440 01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:06,400 be budgeted for to be transferred from 2441 01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:08,159 the general fund to the capital projects 2442 01:50:08,159 --> 01:50:11,360 fund is enough to cover the bond payment 2443 01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:13,520 from that $5 million bond, which is 2444 01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:15,760 approximately 386,000. 2445 01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:17,280 So I did add that into the general 2446 01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:19,920 plants budget here with just a transfer 2447 01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:25,920 to capital project fund um 186. So um 2448 01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:28,239 that of course does impact the bottom 2449 01:50:28,239 --> 01:50:32,560 line about savings anymore. But um again 2450 01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:34,400 this is as it stands without pulling 2451 01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:40,560 anything from fund balance. So we could 2452 01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:41,920 look into that. 2453 01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:43,360 >> What did we pull last year from fund 2454 01:50:43,360 --> 01:50:45,360 balance? 2455 01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:47,040 I think we talked about this. 2456 01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:48,560 >> I know. I had it ready for you last 2457 01:50:48,560 --> 01:50:49,040 time. I'm 2458 01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:51,040 >> sorry. No, that's okay. That's okay. I 2459 01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:52,880 know we talked about it. 2460 01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:54,639 >> I want to say it was a little over two 2461 01:50:54,639 --> 01:50:55,679 million. 2462 01:50:55,679 --> 01:50:57,040 >> So, every year though, essentially, we 2463 01:50:57,040 --> 01:50:59,520 pulled from fund balance or the or we 2464 01:50:59,520 --> 01:51:01,360 got the the co relief funds where we 2465 01:51:01,360 --> 01:51:03,119 didn't have to 2466 01:51:03,119 --> 01:51:04,800 >> Yeah. Which is part of the fund balance, 2467 01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:05,520 right? 2468 01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:06,159 >> Yeah, I guess. 2469 01:51:06,159 --> 01:51:08,400 >> Yeah. So, our our revenues were 2470 01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:10,320 supplemented pretty significantly 2471 01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:12,960 honestly by those co funds. I mean that 2472 01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:16,639 3.3 million is substantial. That's more 2473 01:51:16,639 --> 01:51:19,910 than 2474 01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:30,070 we're looking at here obviously. 2475 01:51:30,080 --> 01:51:35,600 Um I'll look for that number. But just 2476 01:51:35,600 --> 01:51:38,239 overall, I think the discussion today um 2477 01:51:38,239 --> 01:51:41,840 is just trying to 2478 01:51:41,840 --> 01:51:44,080 get a solid direction from you guys with 2479 01:51:44,080 --> 01:51:46,880 what you want to see. Um as mayor 2480 01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:48,159 mentioned, we are going to do the public 2481 01:51:48,159 --> 01:51:51,440 hearing for adopt interim budget. Um and 2482 01:51:51,440 --> 01:51:54,080 that would be a public hearing item on 2483 01:51:54,080 --> 01:51:57,760 the agenda. And then um we are looking 2484 01:51:57,760 --> 01:51:59,599 if we are going to proceed with any sort 2485 01:51:59,599 --> 01:52:03,360 of tax increase we do have to um like 2486 01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:05,360 set the date for that which we do have a 2487 01:52:05,360 --> 01:52:09,360 hearing date um open for that. But 2488 01:52:09,360 --> 01:52:10,639 ultimately just looking for like 2489 01:52:10,639 --> 01:52:12,320 finalized direction from you guys so 2490 01:52:12,320 --> 01:52:15,840 that I can have an inter budget ready 2491 01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:16,960 because we do need to have that 2492 01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:19,040 available for the public to review in 2493 01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:21,599 order to have a public comment. Can you 2494 01:52:21,599 --> 01:52:23,760 scroll to the bottom again to the final 2495 01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:29,990 numbers 2496 01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:31,040 » you're wanting to hear, Derek? 2497 01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:31,760 >> Yeah, right there. 2498 01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:36,000 >> Yeah. So, that 952 2499 01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:41,360 that's we need to make that up. So, what percentage of property tax 2500 01:52:41,360 --> 01:52:44,080 increases is that now? Where are we at 2501 01:52:44,080 --> 01:52:45,920 with that? What what you've changed? You 2502 01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:46,320 know, 2503 01:52:46,320 --> 01:52:46,880 >> 60. 2504 01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:51,030 >> Is it in the 60s? 2505 01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:53,840 because initially it was nearly double 2506 01:52:53,840 --> 01:52:54,400 that. 2507 01:52:54,400 --> 01:52:56,719 >> Yeah, we're trying to get and that was 2508 01:52:56,719 --> 01:53:00,639 the 84% and we needed to set it that day 2509 01:53:00,639 --> 01:53:03,840 um so that we had that in place 2510 01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:06,080 but obviously with our budget meeting 2511 01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:08,080 that we had last week we've cut that in 2512 01:53:08,080 --> 01:53:09,199 half. 2513 01:53:09,199 --> 01:53:11,840 >> Yeah. And even when we were discussing 2514 01:53:11,840 --> 01:53:15,599 last week, depending on the usage of the 2515 01:53:15,599 --> 01:53:18,639 18 million, it would I didn't have that 2516 01:53:18,639 --> 01:53:21,520 transfer in of that $386,000, 2517 01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:24,080 which significantly lowered that 2518 01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:25,760 $952,000 2519 01:53:25,760 --> 01:53:29,599 number. Um, but I did have to add that 2520 01:53:29,599 --> 01:53:33,360 back in to consider not easy. 2521 01:53:33,360 --> 01:53:35,520 >> So, it's potentially lower than the 60 2522 01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:37,040 then. 2523 01:53:37,040 --> 01:53:41,189 >> Yeah. So 2524 01:53:41,199 --> 01:53:43,280 » and this is without pulling any fund 2525 01:53:43,280 --> 01:53:45,520 balance which you recommend that we 2526 01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:48,880 don't do but we have done 2527 01:53:48,880 --> 01:53:50,480 >> over the last the course of the last 2528 01:53:50,480 --> 01:53:52,719 five years at least 2529 01:53:52,719 --> 01:53:54,960 >> supplemented with that those monies 2530 01:53:54,960 --> 01:53:56,880 >> and there will be you indicated that 2531 01:53:56,880 --> 01:53:59,920 there will be a fund balance from this 2532 01:53:59,920 --> 01:54:02,320 last year's budget that will roll into 2533 01:54:02,320 --> 01:54:03,119 that 2534 01:54:03,119 --> 01:54:03,520 >> yes 2535 01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:05,599 >> into that fund that we don't spend. 2536 01:54:05,599 --> 01:54:09,520 >> Yeah. just because we never have 100% 2537 01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:11,920 >> spending, right? So, we don't spend 100% 2538 01:54:11,920 --> 01:54:14,880 of our budget every year. So, um but 2539 01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:16,159 right now for that difference right 2540 01:54:16,159 --> 01:54:18,239 there of that 952,000 2541 01:54:18,239 --> 01:54:22,560 that's roughly a 46% increase. 2542 01:54:22,560 --> 01:54:25,760 So, for the average home that would be 2543 01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:28,639 which is the $530,000 value as a 2544 01:54:28,639 --> 01:54:30,480 reminder would be a monthly increase of 2545 01:54:30,480 --> 01:54:32,159 $1529 2546 01:54:32,159 --> 01:54:45,830 a month. 2547 01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:49,040 $180 a year. 2548 01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:52,310 >> Um 2549 01:54:52,320 --> 01:54:54,159 » for the average. For the average. 2550 01:54:54,159 --> 01:55:07,830 >> Yes. Yes. 2551 01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:10,560 That's a lot of money. 2552 01:55:10,560 --> 01:55:14,000 >> Yeah, I I know I probably worth, you 2553 01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:15,679 know, having a conversation. I know we 2554 01:55:15,679 --> 01:55:17,360 went line by line and and went through 2555 01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:19,119 this went through every department. I 2556 01:55:19,119 --> 01:55:21,599 appreciate each member, each department 2557 01:55:21,599 --> 01:55:23,520 head 2558 01:55:23,520 --> 01:55:25,440 um 2559 01:55:25,440 --> 01:55:27,760 essentially throwing out any requests 2560 01:55:27,760 --> 01:55:31,199 that that that u you know whatever that 2561 01:55:31,199 --> 01:55:33,360 is, an additional police officer, 2562 01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:36,719 additional patrol car, uh 2563 01:55:36,719 --> 01:55:39,760 a water truck. Um and so as we looked 2564 01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:41,840 at, you know, whatever we were look what 2565 01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:43,440 whatever those departments were looking 2566 01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:46,239 at specifically, I appreciated them 2567 01:55:46,239 --> 01:55:50,470 really 2568 01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:53,440 sacrificing and and tightening the belt 2569 01:55:53,440 --> 01:55:55,199 and trying to figure out ways that they 2570 01:55:55,199 --> 01:55:57,599 could help 2571 01:55:57,599 --> 01:56:00,080 make this look better. So anyway, I just 2572 01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:02,000 wanted to state that publicly. I don't 2573 01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:04,880 know how many spent four and a half 2574 01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:06,480 hours going through budget numbers with 2575 01:56:06,480 --> 01:56:09,040 us last time we did this several weeks 2576 01:56:09,040 --> 01:56:11,599 ago. So anyway, I just wanted to comment 2577 01:56:11,599 --> 01:56:22,390 on that. 2578 01:56:22,400 --> 01:56:24,080 Can you tell me what the percentage was 2579 01:56:24,080 --> 01:56:25,760 again, Alpens? Sorry. 2580 01:56:25,760 --> 01:56:31,760 >> Um, it's 46. Down 40% where we started. 2581 01:56:31,760 --> 01:56:33,679 >> I think that's good, but I think still 2582 01:56:33,679 --> 01:56:34,960 get a little bit lower. I think we 2583 01:56:34,960 --> 01:56:36,880 should do something maybe like we talked 2584 01:56:36,880 --> 01:56:39,119 about before, maybe like a collaborative 2585 01:56:39,119 --> 01:56:40,560 approach and pull a little bit from fund 2586 01:56:40,560 --> 01:56:42,080 balance. Maybe we can see a little bit 2587 01:56:42,080 --> 01:56:44,080 from the water credits income where we 2588 01:56:44,080 --> 01:56:45,920 can maybe get that number down even a 2589 01:56:45,920 --> 01:56:47,520 bit lower. I've already I've already 2590 01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:49,520 said my I know this is difficult but I 2591 01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:52,000 don't think we should do um I mean I 2592 01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:53,440 think we should keep the increases for 2593 01:56:53,440 --> 01:56:55,199 the staff. Every department has asked 2594 01:56:55,199 --> 01:56:57,119 for more staff and we've told them no 2595 01:56:57,119 --> 01:56:58,560 and they're already running late. I 2596 01:56:58,560 --> 01:56:59,920 think if we say now we're not giving you 2597 01:56:59,920 --> 01:57:01,760 raises and so no we're gonna have 2598 01:57:01,760 --> 01:57:03,440 attrition we're gonna have people 2599 01:57:03,440 --> 01:57:05,360 leaving. We're gonna have to train. Um, 2600 01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:07,599 I mean the one thing I I said that I 2601 01:57:07,599 --> 01:57:09,599 think we don't I think we do need public 2602 01:57:09,599 --> 01:57:11,679 safety to be a priority. I just don't 2603 01:57:11,679 --> 01:57:13,199 think you can say sorry we're you know 2604 01:57:13,199 --> 01:57:14,320 you don't get that when we're already 2605 01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:17,440 below what we should be per citizen um 2606 01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:19,840 for public safety. That's just my 2607 01:57:19,840 --> 01:57:22,480 opinion. Um but I think we're moving in 2608 01:57:22,480 --> 01:57:23,679 the right directions and then we did 2609 01:57:23,679 --> 01:57:24,960 this you know like you said every 2610 01:57:24,960 --> 01:57:28,080 department had this cut significantly 2611 01:57:28,080 --> 01:57:29,520 and I think that's good for the public 2612 01:57:29,520 --> 01:57:31,599 to know that they pretty much nobody got 2613 01:57:31,599 --> 01:57:34,639 what they wanted as far as 2614 01:57:34,639 --> 01:57:34,960 They were told 2615 01:57:34,960 --> 01:57:36,239 >> no pretty much no one. 2616 01:57:36,239 --> 01:57:36,960 >> No one. 2617 01:57:36,960 --> 01:57:38,560 like I mean I know they were 2618 01:57:38,560 --> 01:57:41,920 asking for you know four officers and additional you know almost 2619 01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:43,599 everywhere. And so everybody was told 2620 01:57:43,599 --> 01:57:45,760 no. This isn't from what I'm seeing this 2621 01:57:45,760 --> 01:57:49,760 is not like people asking for a lot. Um 2622 01:57:49,760 --> 01:57:52,320 so but I think we could I think we can 2623 01:57:52,320 --> 01:57:53,920 look make more like a collaborative 2624 01:57:53,920 --> 01:57:55,280 approach of monies that we do have. 2625 01:57:55,280 --> 01:57:56,960 Maybe I understand we don't want to use 2626 01:57:56,960 --> 01:57:58,239 a lot of fund balance. We don't want to 2627 01:57:58,239 --> 01:57:59,679 get in that habit like we have for the 2628 01:57:59,679 --> 01:58:01,679 past few years. I also think though, you 2629 01:58:01,679 --> 01:58:03,199 know, we haven't raised property taxes 2630 01:58:03,199 --> 01:58:05,440 in 2631 01:58:05,440 --> 01:58:09,990 16 years or so since 2019. 2632 01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:11,920 » We had two years that we raised them. I 2633 01:58:11,920 --> 01:58:13,760 think it was in ' 08. No 09 2634 01:58:13,760 --> 01:58:18,159 >> 0909 we had a 1% increase and we had we 2635 01:58:18,159 --> 01:58:19,599 had two years. 2636 01:58:19,599 --> 01:58:21,199 >> We decreased. Yeah. So we actually went 2637 01:58:21,199 --> 01:58:21,679 below. 2638 01:58:21,679 --> 01:58:23,840 >> And before that it was the last time 2639 01:58:23,840 --> 01:58:26,400 recorded was 1997. 2640 01:58:26,400 --> 01:58:28,880 >> 1981. It was as far back as I could go. 2641 01:58:28,880 --> 01:58:30,719 Oh, 1981. Okay. 2642 01:58:30,719 --> 01:58:35,280 >> So, 1997 to 2008, no increase. 2009, we 2643 01:58:35,280 --> 01:58:38,080 had a 1% increase. 2010, we had a 3% 2644 01:58:38,080 --> 01:58:41,760 increase. 2011, we went negative -10. 2645 01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:45,199 2012, we went -16. 2646 01:58:45,199 --> 01:58:48,639 And then from 2013 to 2026, no increase. 2647 01:58:48,639 --> 01:58:49,840 >> Right. 2648 01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:52,080 >> I just want to make Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I 2649 01:58:52,080 --> 01:58:55,840 was going to say the same thing just so everyone's clear though. Just 2650 01:58:55,840 --> 01:58:58,239 because we we had an addition and a 2651 01:58:58,239 --> 01:59:00,080 decrease doesn't mean that people didn't 2652 01:59:00,080 --> 01:59:02,800 pay more property tax because 2653 01:59:02,800 --> 01:59:06,239 >> the value of their home increased 2654 01:59:06,239 --> 01:59:07,520 from the certified tax rate is what 2655 01:59:07,520 --> 01:59:09,520 we're talking. We're not talking about 2656 01:59:09,520 --> 01:59:11,360 and also Twilla County there's other 2657 01:59:11,360 --> 01:59:12,880 places that raise their taxes. So 2658 01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:13,679 >> the school district 2659 01:59:13,679 --> 01:59:15,119 >> their school district like your taxes 2660 01:59:15,119 --> 01:59:16,400 clearly go up. So 2661 01:59:16,400 --> 01:59:18,000 >> our amount is 2662 01:59:18,000 --> 01:59:20,159 >> minimal in your tax bill. Yes. 2663 01:59:20,159 --> 01:59:22,239 >> Still something. It's nice. just 2664 01:59:22,239 --> 01:59:24,320 >> I mean we're residents here too. None of 2665 01:59:24,320 --> 01:59:25,679 us want to pay 2666 01:59:25,679 --> 01:59:27,440 >> property taxes. No, 2667 01:59:27,440 --> 01:59:28,000 >> we don't. 2668 01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:31,199 >> Yes. Sorry. To just as a option just to 2669 01:59:31,199 --> 01:59:32,400 kind of put it in perspective for 2670 01:59:32,400 --> 01:59:36,320 everyone. So if we covered that So if I 2671 01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:39,119 took out the I just took out our number. 2672 01:59:39,119 --> 01:59:41,760 So if we took out the 386,000 2673 01:59:41,760 --> 01:59:44,960 for to go to the to transfer the capital 2674 01:59:44,960 --> 01:59:47,840 projects fund and let's say we pulled 2675 01:59:47,840 --> 01:59:50,960 that from fund balance instead. um 2676 01:59:50,960 --> 01:59:52,639 rather than doing increased that would 2677 01:59:52,639 --> 01:59:55,840 mean we're off 566,000 2678 01:59:55,840 --> 01:59:58,480 which to make that up would be a 28% 2679 01:59:58,480 --> 02:00:02,960 increase which would be $9.31 a month 2680 02:00:02,960 --> 02:00:06,560 for that's kind of 2681 02:00:06,560 --> 02:00:11,119 just a potential kind of like hybrid 2682 02:00:11,119 --> 02:00:12,800 plan I guess where we are using some 2683 02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:15,840 from fund balance but not 2684 02:00:15,840 --> 02:00:18,800 >> I feel like 386 fund balance would be a 2685 02:00:18,800 --> 02:00:19,840 reasonable 2686 02:00:19,840 --> 02:00:22,560 usage amount. That's not excessive, but 2687 02:00:22,560 --> 02:00:25,040 it's, you know, still using what we have 2688 02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:28,159 there available that probably most of 2689 02:00:28,159 --> 02:00:30,400 would have rolled over from this year 2690 02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:35,679 not spent. And then, um, also doing, 2691 02:00:35,679 --> 02:00:39,360 you know, 28% is a lot better than 84% 2692 02:00:39,360 --> 02:00:41,760 um, and might be a little bit more 2693 02:00:41,760 --> 02:00:42,400 reasonable. 2694 02:00:42,400 --> 02:00:44,320 >> And 28% was how much per year, did you 2695 02:00:44,320 --> 02:00:48,239 say? Um, so per year it's $111, but the 2696 02:00:48,239 --> 02:00:56,229 monthly increase would be $9.31. 2697 02:00:56,239 --> 02:01:01,440 » So I was the one that goes no cola 2698 02:01:01,440 --> 02:01:05,119 increase and I'm willing to negotiate on 2699 02:01:05,119 --> 02:01:09,360 some things. Um, but I So I I I like 2700 02:01:09,360 --> 02:01:11,440 what you did, what we were do, what you 2701 02:01:11,440 --> 02:01:15,440 proposed, Britney, and I I'm, you know, 2702 02:01:15,440 --> 02:01:17,920 cost of living. I I get it. It's a 2703 02:01:17,920 --> 02:01:20,480 morale thing, too. There's training. I I 2704 02:01:20,480 --> 02:01:24,880 get all that, but I I just I I would 2705 02:01:24,880 --> 02:01:26,400 feel better. And I I know we're not 2706 02:01:26,400 --> 02:01:27,760 banking on this because we haven't got 2707 02:01:27,760 --> 02:01:30,880 the check yet, but I' like to cover that 2708 02:01:30,880 --> 02:01:33,520 small amount that we have with the water 2709 02:01:33,520 --> 02:01:37,280 fund and just increase stick to the 5% 2710 02:01:37,280 --> 02:01:40,480 that I proposed this year and then a 5% 2711 02:01:40,480 --> 02:01:43,760 increase for the next what five years 2712 02:01:43,760 --> 02:01:46,159 and gradually increase the the property 2713 02:01:46,159 --> 02:01:48,880 tax instead of a big jump all at once. 2714 02:01:48,880 --> 02:01:51,119 So, you're saying do the 300 like she 2715 02:01:51,119 --> 02:01:52,560 said from the capital funds and then 2716 02:01:52,560 --> 02:01:55,920 that difference that you talked about um 2717 02:01:55,920 --> 02:01:58,320 we could use that water credit 2718 02:01:58,320 --> 02:01:59,679 >> that would be a minimal amount we were 2719 02:01:59,679 --> 02:02:01,280 using from the water credit so it 2720 02:02:01,280 --> 02:02:02,159 wouldn't be 2721 02:02:02,159 --> 02:02:06,639 >> well it was 193,000 correct Alexa or 2722 02:02:06,639 --> 02:02:09,440 >> sorry for the 193,000 would just be 2723 02:02:09,440 --> 02:02:10,480 >> the cola 2724 02:02:10,480 --> 02:02:12,880 >> yes save Wait are you saying take out 2725 02:02:12,880 --> 02:02:13,679 the cola you 2726 02:02:13,679 --> 02:02:14,159 >> no I'm saying 2727 02:02:14,159 --> 02:02:15,599 >> well let's negotiate 2728 02:02:15,599 --> 02:02:17,920 >> put the cola back in but use the water 2729 02:02:17,920 --> 02:02:19,040 credit to 2730 02:02:19,040 --> 02:02:20,560 >> make up the difference of the balance 2731 02:02:20,560 --> 02:02:23,199 that we have and then just do a 5% 2732 02:02:23,199 --> 02:02:23,679 >> increase 2733 02:02:23,679 --> 02:02:27,920 >> 5% increase instead of a 24 or 60 or 80 2734 02:02:27,920 --> 02:02:31,520 just a five and then we raise it 5% for 2735 02:02:31,520 --> 02:02:33,599 five years then you we can re-evaluate 2736 02:02:33,599 --> 02:02:35,840 it and see where we're at if we need to 2737 02:02:35,840 --> 02:02:38,000 change things 2738 02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:41,520 we have to address every year but I 2739 02:02:41,520 --> 02:02:44,159 think 5% seems reasonable and then if we 2740 02:02:44,159 --> 02:02:46,400 can do it then we look at where we're at 2741 02:02:46,400 --> 02:02:48,080 the hard part with these water credits 2742 02:02:48,080 --> 02:02:49,360 We obviously won't get that every year 2743 02:02:49,360 --> 02:02:50,480 and we're going to want to do something 2744 02:02:50,480 --> 02:02:52,320 with it. But I think what you're saying 2745 02:02:52,320 --> 02:02:54,159 is that's a reasonable amount to make up 2746 02:02:54,159 --> 02:02:56,800 the deficit so city doesn't have to we 2747 02:02:56,800 --> 02:02:58,159 don't have to raise property taxes that 2748 02:02:58,159 --> 02:03:01,920 much. So a 5% increase would um be 2749 02:03:01,920 --> 02:03:04,400 approximately 104,000 2750 02:03:04,400 --> 02:03:06,880 in additional revenue and cost a 2751 02:03:06,880 --> 02:03:10,560 resident about a1 the average resident 2752 02:03:10,560 --> 02:03:14,080 about $166 per month which equates to 2753 02:03:14,080 --> 02:03:16,239 $19.94 2754 02:03:16,239 --> 02:03:19,119 a year on the average home. 2755 02:03:19,119 --> 02:03:21,360 >> Just so you guys know what that would be 2756 02:03:21,360 --> 02:03:23,040 like. 2757 02:03:23,040 --> 02:03:24,560 >> And then how much would we need to take 2758 02:03:24,560 --> 02:03:27,760 from the water credits to make up 2759 02:03:27,760 --> 02:03:32,550 what where we left at like 566. 2760 02:03:32,560 --> 02:03:36,719 » Yeah. So, um plus that 386. 2761 02:03:36,719 --> 02:03:39,040 >> So, 9 that would be from fund balance. 2762 02:03:39,040 --> 02:03:40,320 The three fund balance. 2763 02:03:40,320 --> 02:03:41,679 >> So, we're saying three get their 386 2764 02:03:41,679 --> 02:03:42,560 will come from fund balance where 2765 02:03:42,560 --> 02:03:44,320 they're saying the rest to make up we 2766 02:03:44,320 --> 02:03:45,599 would take from the water credit. 2767 02:03:45,599 --> 02:03:48,159 >> Yeah. So, you'd be making so we'd be 2768 02:03:48,159 --> 02:03:50,159 pulling about 2769 02:03:50,159 --> 02:03:52,960 >> so those two together would be 952,000. 2770 02:03:52,960 --> 02:03:56,719 So, just shy. minus the 386 from the 2771 02:03:56,719 --> 02:03:58,159 >> So depending on where you wanted to take 2772 02:03:58,159 --> 02:04:00,239 those two amounts from. Yeah. Whether it 2773 02:04:00,239 --> 02:04:01,920 be water credit money or balance, it 2774 02:04:01,920 --> 02:04:04,320 would be roughly 2775 02:04:04,320 --> 02:04:08,790 just shy of 2776 02:04:08,800 --> 02:04:10,480 » you don't reflect any of the interest 2777 02:04:10,480 --> 02:04:14,080 from that those dollars in here, do you? 2778 02:04:14,080 --> 02:04:17,119 >> No. And I right now as it stands, 2779 02:04:17,119 --> 02:04:19,840 there's the 18 um the water credit money 2780 02:04:19,840 --> 02:04:23,040 is not considered at all. whether it's 2781 02:04:23,040 --> 02:04:26,000 being spent, saved, or invested. I don't 2782 02:04:26,000 --> 02:04:27,760 have it in here any 2783 02:04:27,760 --> 02:04:28,960 >> but even if we just put in the savings 2784 02:04:28,960 --> 02:04:30,159 account, you said we could receive a 2785 02:04:30,159 --> 02:04:31,679 small interest off of that. 2786 02:04:31,679 --> 02:04:31,920 >> Yeah. 2787 02:04:31,920 --> 02:04:33,599 >> And it would still be liquid though if 2788 02:04:33,599 --> 02:04:36,800 we if you 2789 02:04:36,800 --> 02:04:38,880 said three and a half% 2790 02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:44,000 >> which is about 600 5600 630 2791 02:04:44,000 --> 02:04:45,440 >> only for six months though. 2792 02:04:45,440 --> 02:04:48,400 >> Yeah. And then it reduces down to like 2793 02:04:48,400 --> 02:04:52,080 roughly 2% which is not nothing on 18 2794 02:04:52,080 --> 02:04:53,040 million, right? 2795 02:04:53,040 --> 02:04:57,030 >> Yeah. 2796 02:04:57,040 --> 02:04:59,280 » I'd like to just 2797 02:04:59,280 --> 02:05:03,760 you guys Heidi and and Jake, you guys 2798 02:05:03,760 --> 02:05:07,840 are the ones that had that vision or the 2799 02:05:07,840 --> 02:05:10,800 guts to sell the water. 2800 02:05:10,800 --> 02:05:13,199 Um, 2801 02:05:13,199 --> 02:05:17,679 I just if you guys had any thoughts on 2802 02:05:17,679 --> 02:05:20,960 uh I didn't vote for the solo water, 2803 02:05:20,960 --> 02:05:22,960 I'd like you guys to say what your 2804 02:05:22,960 --> 02:05:25,679 vision is for that money if that have 2805 02:05:25,679 --> 02:05:28,159 you had any thoughts on 2806 02:05:28,159 --> 02:05:30,639 or at least say are you fine investing 2807 02:05:30,639 --> 02:05:33,679 that money? are you 2808 02:05:33,679 --> 02:05:35,920 and we talked a lot of things but I I 2809 02:05:35,920 --> 02:05:39,040 want you guys to say 2810 02:05:39,040 --> 02:05:39,440 >> well 2811 02:05:39,440 --> 02:05:43,119 >> what you what your vision is. um we we 2812 02:05:43,119 --> 02:05:47,840 see a lot of uh grant opportunities that 2813 02:05:47,840 --> 02:05:50,560 you have to have matching funds. And so 2814 02:05:50,560 --> 02:05:52,719 my driving force was always to be able 2815 02:05:52,719 --> 02:05:56,480 to leverage some of these higher dollar 2816 02:05:56,480 --> 02:05:59,920 grant applications that we really don't 2817 02:05:59,920 --> 02:06:01,679 have the funds or the monies to be able 2818 02:06:01,679 --> 02:06:04,800 to to do the matching dollars and then 2819 02:06:04,800 --> 02:06:09,760 to be able to make our the the amount of 2820 02:06:09,760 --> 02:06:12,639 investment from the seller water credit 2821 02:06:12,639 --> 02:06:15,520 essentially double the benefit for the 2822 02:06:15,520 --> 02:06:18,080 community. So that was always my 2823 02:06:18,080 --> 02:06:20,480 reasoning for for voting for it. 2824 02:06:20,480 --> 02:06:22,880 >> So did So 2825 02:06:22,880 --> 02:06:31,040 which is awesome. So you get a $2 million grant um for a park 2826 02:06:31,040 --> 02:06:33,280 >> that requires a match. It cost us $2 2827 02:06:33,280 --> 02:06:36,239 million. So we're doubling our money for 2828 02:06:36,239 --> 02:06:37,440 free. 2829 02:06:37,440 --> 02:06:38,320 >> But then we can't have 2830 02:06:38,320 --> 02:06:39,520 >> Not for free, but Yeah. 2831 02:06:39,520 --> 02:06:41,520 >> Well, yeah. Right. But we we can't have 2832 02:06:41,520 --> 02:06:43,520 our money tied up when those 2833 02:06:43,520 --> 02:06:47,679 opportunities come along. Correct. 2834 02:06:47,679 --> 02:06:49,920 Yeah. Which it all depends on the 2835 02:06:49,920 --> 02:06:53,440 flexibility how we reinvest it and how 2836 02:06:53,440 --> 02:06:56,400 we let that money sit work for us and 2837 02:06:56,400 --> 02:06:59,199 how we can do that. 2838 02:06:59,199 --> 02:07:01,760 There are some we're not a we're not a 2839 02:07:01,760 --> 02:07:04,480 business. We can't invest it in a sweeps 2840 02:07:04,480 --> 02:07:07,840 account. Um, so I mean we we have to be 2841 02:07:07,840 --> 02:07:11,760 cautious about how we do that and and um 2842 02:07:11,760 --> 02:07:13,760 >> but that still allows us to improve our 2843 02:07:13,760 --> 02:07:16,079 parks which is important 2844 02:07:16,079 --> 02:07:17,119 >> and potentially 2845 02:07:17,119 --> 02:07:18,800 >> well not even just parks. I mean there 2846 02:07:18,800 --> 02:07:20,639 are so many other grant opportunities 2847 02:07:20,639 --> 02:07:22,159 that are available if you have those 2848 02:07:22,159 --> 02:07:24,159 matching dollars. Just right now we're 2849 02:07:24,159 --> 02:07:27,199 waiting on um word from a a grant that 2850 02:07:27,199 --> 02:07:28,719 we've applied for with UD do for 2851 02:07:28,719 --> 02:07:30,639 replacing sidewalks on Main Street. And 2852 02:07:30,639 --> 02:07:33,040 anybody that's walked 2853 02:07:33,040 --> 02:07:35,679 several sections of the 2854 02:07:35,679 --> 02:07:37,440 sidewalks on Main Street, either they 2855 02:07:37,440 --> 02:07:40,000 don't even exist or 2856 02:07:40,000 --> 02:07:41,840 um they're in disrepair and they need 2857 02:07:41,840 --> 02:07:43,360 work and we just don't have the funds 2858 02:07:43,360 --> 02:07:45,520 clearly from our budget to do that. But 2859 02:07:45,520 --> 02:07:48,719 we put in for these um grants uh this 2860 02:07:48,719 --> 02:07:50,480 one particularly with UD do for the 2861 02:07:50,480 --> 02:07:52,960 sidewalks on Main Street and we have 2862 02:07:52,960 --> 02:07:55,040 those funds available. Um those are 2863 02:07:55,040 --> 02:07:56,639 improvements that we just simply don't 2864 02:07:56,639 --> 02:07:58,960 have the budget to make um without 2865 02:07:58,960 --> 02:08:01,119 having those matching dollars available. 2866 02:08:01,119 --> 02:08:06,400 So, I'm I'm completely with Rat that was my intent was there's just so 2867 02:08:06,400 --> 02:08:09,599 many different areas that we can hope to 2868 02:08:09,599 --> 02:08:12,800 make improvements and doubling our th 2869 02:08:12,800 --> 02:08:16,480 those funds are my greatest I that's my 2870 02:08:16,480 --> 02:08:20,310 greatest interest. 2871 02:08:20,320 --> 02:08:28,239 » I I appreciate the the question. Um my thought process behind that vote 2872 02:08:28,239 --> 02:08:30,560 specifically was 2873 02:08:30,560 --> 02:08:34,480 to protect the citizens um in an 2874 02:08:34,480 --> 02:08:36,880 opportunity to find an investment to 2875 02:08:36,880 --> 02:08:39,599 generate whatever we needed um whether 2876 02:08:39,599 --> 02:08:42,000 that was water and I feel really 2877 02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:45,440 strongly that if we could take those 2878 02:08:45,440 --> 02:08:48,000 funds and turn them into additional 2879 02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:51,679 water or resources for water um it 2880 02:08:51,679 --> 02:08:53,440 protects us against the concern that we 2881 02:08:53,440 --> 02:08:55,440 have. Infrastructure, sewer 2882 02:08:55,440 --> 02:08:56,960 infrastructure was kind of the other 2883 02:08:56,960 --> 02:09:01,199 component there. Um, and I know there 2884 02:09:01,199 --> 02:09:03,440 was a lot of decision-m back and forth 2885 02:09:03,440 --> 02:09:09,280 on trying to ensure that we protected 2886 02:09:09,280 --> 02:09:12,960 uh ourselves against being able to to 2887 02:09:12,960 --> 02:09:15,440 come out of the third portion of that 2888 02:09:15,440 --> 02:09:17,679 and ensure that, you know, we weren't 2889 02:09:17,679 --> 02:09:22,000 jeopardizing, you know, future water. um 2890 02:09:22,000 --> 02:09:25,040 or ability for future water. But that's 2891 02:09:25,040 --> 02:09:28,159 one of the areas that I feel like 2892 02:09:28,159 --> 02:09:31,280 um it should it's it's an asset of the 2893 02:09:31,280 --> 02:09:33,360 citizens and I really feel very strongly 2894 02:09:33,360 --> 02:09:37,520 that it it needs to go into investment 2895 02:09:37,520 --> 02:09:40,159 for the citizens uh for the benefit of 2896 02:09:40,159 --> 02:09:43,440 our city whatever that is. Um I I would 2897 02:09:43,440 --> 02:09:45,199 support 2898 02:09:45,199 --> 02:09:50,400 um issuing some of some of that towards 2899 02:09:50,400 --> 02:09:55,360 reducing the the percentage uh 2900 02:09:55,360 --> 02:09:58,159 that that we're asking for an increase. 2901 02:09:58,159 --> 02:10:00,719 I I would actually support that over 2902 02:10:00,719 --> 02:10:04,719 pulling from from uh the the funds that 2903 02:10:04,719 --> 02:10:07,360 we have there currently. 2904 02:10:07,360 --> 02:10:10,079 um mainly because we're operating in a 2905 02:10:10,079 --> 02:10:13,360 deficit and we should we should not um 2906 02:10:13,360 --> 02:10:17,040 and so I would support pulling from that 2907 02:10:17,040 --> 02:10:22,239 not pulling from the funds. Um it does 2908 02:10:22,239 --> 02:10:25,199 it it does you know give us less to work 2909 02:10:25,199 --> 02:10:27,199 with and we talked about you know some 2910 02:10:27,199 --> 02:10:29,920 options there that to try to maximize 2911 02:10:29,920 --> 02:10:33,199 it. The grants are one of those. Um 2912 02:10:33,199 --> 02:10:35,760 there's there's other options. there are 2913 02:10:35,760 --> 02:10:38,480 a lot of needs that the city has. Um it 2914 02:10:38,480 --> 02:10:40,719 would be an opportunity to address 2915 02:10:40,719 --> 02:10:44,639 whatever those are. And I've heard many 2916 02:10:44,639 --> 02:10:48,320 um of those. Um you know, I one of the 2917 02:10:48,320 --> 02:10:50,159 things that I ran specifically on was 2918 02:10:50,159 --> 02:10:52,639 finding opportunities to to benefit our 2919 02:10:52,639 --> 02:10:57,199 youth. Um those are parks. Um and I know 2920 02:10:57,199 --> 02:10:59,360 there was some comments made about parks 2921 02:10:59,360 --> 02:11:02,639 specifically. Um, we have looked at 2922 02:11:02,639 --> 02:11:04,560 avenues to duplicate those dollars 2923 02:11:04,560 --> 02:11:06,719 specifically for those parks and the 2924 02:11:06,719 --> 02:11:08,880 Scenic Slopes Parks is is getting 2925 02:11:08,880 --> 02:11:12,480 started on a grant on a on a $34 million 2926 02:11:12,480 --> 02:11:15,360 grant and that's why it's it's moving 2927 02:11:15,360 --> 02:11:21,199 forward. So, um, but I I do think 2928 02:11:21,199 --> 02:11:23,040 we have to try to protect those things 2929 02:11:23,040 --> 02:11:25,360 that that we don't have and parks is one 2930 02:11:25,360 --> 02:11:27,440 of those things that we we don't have. 2931 02:11:27,440 --> 02:11:30,880 So that was another in my mind is 2932 02:11:30,880 --> 02:11:33,679 another avenue that we could look at you 2933 02:11:33,679 --> 02:11:37,760 know without impacting directly the the 2934 02:11:37,760 --> 02:11:41,440 citizens. So anyway 2935 02:11:41,440 --> 02:11:46,639 that was that was my basis of vote 2936 02:11:46,639 --> 02:11:48,880 >> and we really don't know what the future 2937 02:11:48,880 --> 02:11:50,159 brings for us either. I mean, there 2938 02:11:50,159 --> 02:11:53,360 could be economic opportunity that comes 2939 02:11:53,360 --> 02:11:56,560 the city's way in which we can leverage 2940 02:11:56,560 --> 02:12:00,880 and and and reinvest that money into the 2941 02:12:00,880 --> 02:12:03,599 community to bring economic develop 2942 02:12:03,599 --> 02:12:05,920 development in that could affect our 2943 02:12:05,920 --> 02:12:09,679 community for decades down the road. So, 2944 02:12:09,679 --> 02:12:11,760 I mean, that's certainly a possibility 2945 02:12:11,760 --> 02:12:18,480 as well. So, having that is better than not having it. And we discussed and 2946 02:12:18,480 --> 02:12:21,599 we discussed at nauseium the the reasons 2947 02:12:21,599 --> 02:12:23,440 for and the reasons against. Right. 2948 02:12:23,440 --> 02:12:24,159 >> Right. Right. 2949 02:12:24,159 --> 02:12:29,920 >> And and I think um I think ultimately at 2950 02:12:29,920 --> 02:12:31,840 the end of the day we we made a wise 2951 02:12:31,840 --> 02:12:33,840 decision for the future of Grantsville. 2952 02:12:33,840 --> 02:12:39,990 Um so 2953 02:12:40,000 --> 02:12:47,430 that's my thought. 2954 02:12:47,440 --> 02:12:49,679 So, this item is is just a discussion. 2955 02:12:49,679 --> 02:12:52,079 Did you want to say I was just I maybe 2956 02:12:52,079 --> 02:12:53,760 wanted to hear a little more of the 2957 02:12:53,760 --> 02:12:58,400 council's feel on on not dipping into 2958 02:12:58,400 --> 02:13:01,520 I I appreciate 2959 02:13:01,520 --> 02:13:04,159 Derek and Britney and their their 2960 02:13:04,159 --> 02:13:09,360 comments regarding the cola. I feel like 2961 02:13:09,360 --> 02:13:12,719 um I feel that that's something that 2962 02:13:12,719 --> 02:13:17,440 should go through um to those employees. 2963 02:13:17,440 --> 02:13:22,320 And um so as far as on top of that, and 2964 02:13:22,320 --> 02:13:24,239 my mind's going like nine directions 2965 02:13:24,239 --> 02:13:27,360 right now, um I just wanted the 2966 02:13:27,360 --> 02:13:32,790 council's thoughts as far as 2967 02:13:32,800 --> 02:13:35,679 um using using credit funds for that 2968 02:13:35,679 --> 02:13:38,400 specifically or dipping into our savings 2969 02:13:38,400 --> 02:13:47,990 essentially to help offset an increase. 2970 02:13:48,000 --> 02:13:51,760 I I think we use the water credits for 2971 02:13:51,760 --> 02:13:54,880 it all. I mean, it's coming out either 2972 02:13:54,880 --> 02:13:56,960 way, but I mean, 2973 02:13:56,960 --> 02:13:58,480 >> if you want the general fund to look 2974 02:13:58,480 --> 02:14:00,719 better, then just pull it from the water 2975 02:14:00,719 --> 02:14:03,360 credits and I think that would be fine. 2976 02:14:03,360 --> 02:14:07,199 And it if it helps us reduce this tax 2977 02:14:07,199 --> 02:14:09,520 increase uh to help citizens and then 2978 02:14:09,520 --> 02:14:11,920 what's left over we can use it to match 2979 02:14:11,920 --> 02:14:14,079 it, you know, match grants potentially 2980 02:14:14,079 --> 02:14:15,119 double the money. 2981 02:14:15,119 --> 02:14:16,320 >> We still have plenty left. 2982 02:14:16,320 --> 02:14:17,520 >> Yeah. I mean, 2983 02:14:17,520 --> 02:14:19,599 >> so time being. 2984 02:14:19,599 --> 02:14:22,400 >> Um so I I before that and I like that 2985 02:14:22,400 --> 02:14:25,040 direction. I just I mean with with the 2986 02:14:25,040 --> 02:14:26,719 sewer increase we just did I just feel 2987 02:14:26,719 --> 02:14:29,840 like we've just been tax tax like 2988 02:14:29,840 --> 02:14:32,560 everywhere and just I'm just tax 2989 02:14:32,560 --> 02:14:33,920 exhausted and I just you know 2990 02:14:33,920 --> 02:14:35,119 >> I think we all are. 2991 02:14:35,119 --> 02:14:35,920 >> Yeah. 2992 02:14:35,920 --> 02:14:37,840 >> But I also don't think we can put it off 2993 02:14:37,840 --> 02:14:39,840 forever like oh no tax increase forever. 2994 02:14:39,840 --> 02:14:42,239 So I think we do a minimal as much as 2995 02:14:42,239 --> 02:14:44,159 you know minimal possible because we're 2996 02:14:44,159 --> 02:14:45,360 not going to have this water credit 2997 02:14:45,360 --> 02:14:48,320 funds going forward. I mean it will be 2998 02:14:48,320 --> 02:14:50,400 spent. I mean, we're not all here saying 2999 02:14:50,400 --> 02:14:52,639 like, let's spend it quickly, wisely, 3000 02:14:52,639 --> 02:14:54,880 but we also have to account for the cost 3001 02:14:54,880 --> 02:14:56,239 of things growing up. So, I think I do 3002 02:14:56,239 --> 02:14:57,840 think we need some small increase. I'm 3003 02:14:57,840 --> 02:15:00,159 okay whether we get this makeup from the 3004 02:15:00,159 --> 02:15:01,760 I mean, I think Aston was saying that 3005 02:15:01,760 --> 02:15:03,520 368 was probably coming back into the 3006 02:15:03,520 --> 02:15:05,679 general fund anyways. That's why I said, 3007 02:15:05,679 --> 02:15:07,199 >> right, am I saying that? 3008 02:15:07,199 --> 02:15:08,400 >> Yeah, whatever that that's I was like, 3009 02:15:08,400 --> 02:15:09,440 if we're going to get that, then maybe 3010 02:15:09,440 --> 02:15:11,199 we just take it. But I I think I agree 3011 02:15:11,199 --> 02:15:12,639 with Derek. I don't think it really 3012 02:15:12,639 --> 02:15:14,079 matters as long as we're making that 3013 02:15:14,079 --> 02:15:15,520 difference up. 3014 02:15:15,520 --> 02:15:18,320 >> I think in the end it comes from this 3015 02:15:18,320 --> 02:15:20,320 just going into the 3016 02:15:20,320 --> 02:15:22,159 >> if you think about it, right? It's just 3017 02:15:22,159 --> 02:15:24,560 how how does it impact our residents, I 3018 02:15:24,560 --> 02:15:26,639 think is the question. 3019 02:15:26,639 --> 02:15:31,040 >> Um and and it impacts us all. So, you 3020 02:15:31,040 --> 02:15:34,239 know, how do we how do we do that 3021 02:15:34,239 --> 02:15:37,520 to ensure that we're balancing, you 3022 02:15:37,520 --> 02:15:41,280 know, going forward and 3023 02:15:41,280 --> 02:15:44,000 taking care of that side of it? um as 3024 02:15:44,000 --> 02:15:45,599 well. 3025 02:15:45,599 --> 02:15:49,360 >> Could you remind us again what the tax 3026 02:15:49,360 --> 02:15:53,280 increase for to citizens was is proposed 3027 02:15:53,280 --> 02:15:54,079 by now? 3028 02:15:54,079 --> 02:15:54,960 >> Oh, 3029 02:15:54,960 --> 02:15:56,560 >> or what? Maybe what what happened last 3030 02:15:56,560 --> 02:15:59,280 year? Maybe that's what it was. 3031 02:15:59,280 --> 02:16:01,280 >> I know I don't actually know if they 3032 02:16:01,280 --> 02:16:04,159 proposed for an increase for this year. 3033 02:16:04,159 --> 02:16:06,560 I know historically they they had to do 3034 02:16:06,560 --> 02:16:08,719 a massive increase but a couple like 3035 02:16:08,719 --> 02:16:10,159 probably like 10 years ago and it was 3036 02:16:10,159 --> 02:16:12,079 about 86%. 3037 02:16:12,079 --> 02:16:14,639 um they were in some boat and then one 3038 02:16:14,639 --> 02:16:16,079 thing that they did after that was 3039 02:16:16,079 --> 02:16:18,880 they've incrementally done like three to 3040 02:16:18,880 --> 02:16:21,760 5% increases since then aside from I 3041 02:16:21,760 --> 02:16:24,000 think they skipped a couple years for co 3042 02:16:24,000 --> 02:16:24,560 >> okay 3043 02:16:24,560 --> 02:16:26,079 >> because they got co relief from 3044 02:16:26,079 --> 02:16:28,159 >> and they didn't do an increase last year 3045 02:16:28,159 --> 02:16:31,599 um I think everyone was hesitant due to 3046 02:16:31,599 --> 02:16:33,040 the proposed increase from the school 3047 02:16:33,040 --> 02:16:34,880 district but that one ended up not going 3048 02:16:34,880 --> 02:16:36,719 through so um 3049 02:16:36,719 --> 02:16:38,399 >> which I'm sure they will propose it 3050 02:16:38,399 --> 02:16:39,359 again this year 3051 02:16:39,359 --> 02:16:44,240 >> yeah but Um, if we did do the the 84% 3052 02:16:44,240 --> 02:16:46,639 increase here puts Gran School City at a 3053 02:16:46,639 --> 02:16:50,240 similar tax rate that Tilda is at 3054 02:16:50,240 --> 02:16:54,000 because I think they're at like 0.002476 3055 02:16:54,000 --> 02:16:59,040 or so and and the 86% rate or would have 3056 02:16:59,040 --> 02:17:04,790 put us right up comparable to 3057 02:17:04,800 --> 02:17:11,750 » Thank you. 3058 02:17:11,760 --> 02:17:13,599 So, we're close, right? We're getting 3059 02:17:13,599 --> 02:17:14,080 better. 3060 02:17:14,080 --> 02:17:15,920 >> I think we're getting closer. 3061 02:17:15,920 --> 02:17:18,960 >> Yeah, even from originally. Sorry, Jeff 3062 02:17:18,960 --> 02:17:20,479 interrupted a little bit there, but I do 3063 02:17:20,479 --> 02:17:25,679 just want to give, you know, to our 3064 02:17:25,679 --> 02:17:29,200 staff just, you know, even going through 3065 02:17:29,200 --> 02:17:31,760 and like with you guys last week, um, 3066 02:17:31,760 --> 02:17:35,519 sitting through the we have even on our 3067 02:17:35,519 --> 02:17:39,840 own, we did cut, you know, 582,000, 3068 02:17:39,840 --> 02:17:41,280 you know, between the departments and 3069 02:17:41,280 --> 02:17:43,840 meeting with you guys last week. So, I 3070 02:17:43,840 --> 02:17:46,240 do appreciate the time that our staff, 3071 02:17:46,240 --> 02:17:47,920 you guys have spent on this because I do 3072 02:17:47,920 --> 02:17:50,080 feel like it's been progress in the 3073 02:17:50,080 --> 02:17:54,080 right direction. So, we're we're getting 3074 02:17:54,080 --> 02:17:57,270 closer. 3075 02:17:57,280 --> 02:17:58,960 » No, thank you, Aspen, as well. I'm sure 3076 02:17:58,960 --> 02:18:00,240 you're seeing these numbers in your 3077 02:18:00,240 --> 02:18:01,679 sleep, so 3078 02:18:01,679 --> 02:18:02,880 >> we all are. 3079 02:18:02,880 --> 02:18:07,990 >> Appreciate it. 3080 02:18:08,000 --> 02:18:09,920 » Okay, so this was just a discussion 3081 02:18:09,920 --> 02:18:11,760 item. Is there anything else that you'd 3082 02:18:11,760 --> 02:18:15,359 like to discuss before our June 3rd 3083 02:18:15,359 --> 02:18:18,319 um tentative budget? I think we've given 3084 02:18:18,319 --> 02:18:20,240 Aspen direction. Do you is there 3085 02:18:20,240 --> 02:18:22,800 anything else you need from us, Aspen? 3086 02:18:22,800 --> 02:18:25,200 So as far as I'm standing right now, 3087 02:18:25,200 --> 02:18:28,960 we're looking I will bring the budget on 3088 02:18:28,960 --> 02:18:32,319 for our June meeting proposed with a 5% 3089 02:18:32,319 --> 02:18:35,120 increase and taking the additional 3090 02:18:35,120 --> 02:18:39,280 932,000 from now it'll say fund balance 3091 02:18:39,280 --> 02:18:41,760 until we've actually received and made 3092 02:18:41,760 --> 02:18:43,280 decisions on it. 3093 02:18:43,280 --> 02:18:45,599 >> Well, we know by June 3rd that we should 3094 02:18:45,599 --> 02:18:46,399 that 3095 02:18:46,399 --> 02:18:47,599 >> payment should be received. 3096 02:18:47,599 --> 02:18:48,639 >> Yeah, we don't want to spend our chicken 3097 02:18:48,639 --> 02:18:49,439 count our chicken. 3098 02:18:49,439 --> 02:18:53,519 >> Yeah, sure. I mean, if if that doesn't 3099 02:18:53,519 --> 02:18:55,359 >> carry through, then it's going to come 3100 02:18:55,359 --> 02:18:58,479 from fund balance of nine. So, 3101 02:18:58,479 --> 02:19:01,599 >> budget and that meeting can be adjusted 3102 02:19:01,599 --> 02:19:03,599 at your guys's direction. So, it's not 3103 02:19:03,599 --> 02:19:05,599 like that's the one and done, but I do 3104 02:19:05,599 --> 02:19:07,920 just need to have something 3105 02:19:07,920 --> 02:19:11,519 >> available and you know, presented. So, 3106 02:19:11,519 --> 02:19:14,240 that's that's correct. adopted. 3107 02:19:14,240 --> 02:19:16,559 >> Okay. 3108 02:19:16,559 --> 02:19:19,120 >> Any additional information we'd like to 3109 02:19:19,120 --> 02:19:24,070 give Aspen or direction. 3110 02:19:24,080 --> 02:19:27,760 » No. Okay. All right. We will close item 3111 02:19:27,760 --> 02:19:29,760 number nine 3112 02:19:29,760 --> 02:19:31,840 and move to item number 10. A 3113 02:19:31,840 --> 02:19:33,760 presentation of the proposed property 3114 02:19:33,760 --> 02:19:36,399 tax impact schedule. 3115 02:19:36,399 --> 02:19:37,840 >> Oh yeah. Because we talked about the 3116 02:19:37,840 --> 02:19:42,000 budget, we have to review again the 3117 02:19:42,000 --> 02:19:45,120 property tax impact schedule. Um, as we 3118 02:19:45,120 --> 02:19:46,719 >> hold on for just a second. 3119 02:19:46,719 --> 02:19:49,359 >> Uh, Aspen, I need to make note that 3120 02:19:49,359 --> 02:19:51,040 council member Dalton does need to leave 3121 02:19:51,040 --> 02:19:53,040 and so he will be excused at this time. 3122 02:19:53,040 --> 02:19:54,479 >> Okay. 3123 02:19:54,479 --> 02:20:00,630 >> Travel safe. 3124 02:20:00,640 --> 02:20:02,000 » Okay, you can go ahead. 3125 02:20:02,000 --> 02:20:04,720 >> Okay. Um this will since we're moving 3126 02:20:04,720 --> 02:20:06,960 forward with a new direction having an 3127 02:20:06,960 --> 02:20:08,560 interim budget presented at our next 3128 02:20:08,560 --> 02:20:11,200 meeting this will change 3129 02:20:11,200 --> 02:20:13,520 to match what the interim budget will 3130 02:20:13,520 --> 02:20:16,160 be. So um but currently this is how it 3131 02:20:16,160 --> 02:20:17,840 stands. This is what the tender budget 3132 02:20:17,840 --> 02:20:21,120 was presented as and this is what is as 3133 02:20:21,120 --> 02:20:23,439 it stands right now which um grantsville 3134 02:20:23,439 --> 02:20:24,960 city is considering a property tax 3135 02:20:24,960 --> 02:20:27,680 increase from 001368 3136 02:20:27,680 --> 02:20:31,680 to 02517 which exceeds the additional 3137 02:20:31,680 --> 02:20:33,600 estimated, excuse me, certified tax rate 3138 02:20:33,600 --> 02:20:35,040 and is estimated to generate an 3139 02:20:35,040 --> 02:20:38,870 additional 1,749,71 3140 02:20:38,880 --> 02:20:42,960 property tax revenue. Um, so our current 3141 02:20:42,960 --> 02:20:45,600 rate is our 001368 3142 02:20:45,600 --> 02:20:49,990 which generates 2,82,977,000 3143 02:20:50,000 --> 02:20:54,000 in property tax revenue. Um, the new 3144 02:20:54,000 --> 02:20:56,560 property tax rate opposed to 0.02517 3145 02:20:56,560 --> 02:21:01,439 2517 which parks only 84% increase which 3146 02:21:01,439 --> 02:21:03,520 again generates that addition of 3147 02:21:03,520 --> 02:21:06,080 million749,000. 3148 02:21:06,080 --> 02:21:08,399 So 3149 02:21:08,399 --> 02:21:10,479 there's that one 3150 02:21:10,479 --> 02:21:12,800 and then so that's just a presentation. 3151 02:21:12,800 --> 02:21:14,479 I just have to present this every time 3152 02:21:14,479 --> 02:21:16,240 that we talk about the budget for 3153 02:21:16,240 --> 02:21:19,280 >> Okay. So 3154 02:21:19,280 --> 02:21:20,960 that's that. 3155 02:21:20,960 --> 02:21:23,439 >> But as everyone can tell that's not 3156 02:21:23,439 --> 02:21:24,560 where we're at. 3157 02:21:24,560 --> 02:21:26,880 >> Correct. So this is the one that was 3158 02:21:26,880 --> 02:21:28,800 presented with the tenative budget that 3159 02:21:28,800 --> 02:21:30,560 was first presented at our first May 6th 3160 02:21:30,560 --> 02:21:33,200 meeting. We've since had discussions 3161 02:21:33,200 --> 02:21:36,640 amending and revising that. But so now 3162 02:21:36,640 --> 02:21:38,720 when I present the interim budget at our 3163 02:21:38,720 --> 02:21:41,280 first meeting in June, I'll have a new 3164 02:21:41,280 --> 02:21:43,120 proposed property tax impact schedule 3165 02:21:43,120 --> 02:21:44,560 with the revised amount that is 3166 02:21:44,560 --> 02:21:46,640 reflective to what that interim budget 3167 02:21:46,640 --> 02:21:50,640 shows. So yes, this at this point in 3168 02:21:50,640 --> 02:21:53,680 time is extremely outdated, but 3169 02:21:53,680 --> 02:21:54,880 >> but we have to do it. 3170 02:21:54,880 --> 02:21:55,760 >> Yes. 3171 02:21:55,760 --> 02:21:57,120 >> Truth and taxation. 3172 02:21:57,120 --> 02:21:58,560 >> Yes. 3173 02:21:58,560 --> 02:22:00,240 >> Do we have to pass the resolution today? 3174 02:22:00,240 --> 02:22:02,080 Can we wait until we table this till the 3175 02:22:02,080 --> 02:22:04,000 June 3rd meeting to so we know exactly 3176 02:22:04,000 --> 02:22:05,920 what we're voting on? 3177 02:22:05,920 --> 02:22:08,560 >> Yes. So I I put a 3178 02:22:08,560 --> 02:22:10,880 >> Yes, that's 3179 02:22:10,880 --> 02:22:13,840 we can table it until June 3rd. We just 3180 02:22:13,840 --> 02:22:17,680 have to adopt our tenative budget. 3181 02:22:17,680 --> 02:22:20,800 before we adopt the interim budget. 3182 02:22:20,800 --> 02:22:21,200 >> Yes. 3183 02:22:21,200 --> 02:22:22,880 >> So we need to figure out what we're 3184 02:22:22,880 --> 02:22:24,560 gonna 3185 02:22:24,560 --> 02:22:27,439 So it's we have to adopt the interim 3186 02:22:27,439 --> 02:22:29,520 budget before June 30th. 3187 02:22:29,520 --> 02:22:29,920 >> Okay. 3188 02:22:29,920 --> 02:22:32,319 So we have to adopt the tenative 3189 02:22:32,319 --> 02:22:35,280 budget whether you're going to give 3190 02:22:35,280 --> 02:22:37,200 direction for us to follow the truth and 3191 02:22:37,200 --> 02:22:39,359 taxation process or give direction for 3192 02:22:39,359 --> 02:22:43,840 us to completely deny that and adopt a 3193 02:22:43,840 --> 02:22:46,240 budget by June 30th. Does that make 3194 02:22:46,240 --> 02:22:48,319 sense? So, it's two separate things, 3195 02:22:48,319 --> 02:22:51,429 right? 3196 02:22:51,439 --> 02:22:52,479 » Yeah. And then if we go through the 3197 02:22:52,479 --> 02:22:54,800 truth on taxation process moving forward 3198 02:22:54,800 --> 02:22:58,160 with the tax increase, we will have a 3199 02:22:58,160 --> 02:23:00,640 we'll have a public hearing to adopt an 3200 02:23:00,640 --> 02:23:02,720 interim budget and then we'll have 3201 02:23:02,720 --> 02:23:04,319 another additional public hearing for 3202 02:23:04,319 --> 02:23:06,240 truth and taxation specifically in 3203 02:23:06,240 --> 02:23:09,600 August discussing just the property tax 3204 02:23:09,600 --> 02:23:12,479 increase. Um, so that would be held in 3205 02:23:12,479 --> 02:23:16,479 August and then decided on at that point 3206 02:23:16,479 --> 02:23:18,000 >> and we have to have that note regardless 3207 02:23:18,000 --> 02:23:19,359 of what the number is that we're 3208 02:23:19,359 --> 02:23:20,479 increasing it. We're going to have to 3209 02:23:20,479 --> 02:23:21,439 have that here. 3210 02:23:21,439 --> 02:23:24,080 >> Any any increase that? Yes. 3211 02:23:24,080 --> 02:23:25,760 >> So it'll just be interum until we get to 3212 02:23:25,760 --> 02:23:26,560 the August. 3213 02:23:26,560 --> 02:23:28,160 >> Correct. So that's why we would have to 3214 02:23:28,160 --> 02:23:29,920 adopt an interim budget because our 3215 02:23:29,920 --> 02:23:32,000 fiscal year begins July 1. So we have to 3216 02:23:32,000 --> 02:23:35,200 have some budget to operate on 3217 02:23:35,200 --> 02:23:37,439 >> we go through and then depending on what 3218 02:23:37,439 --> 02:23:40,319 would then be decided in August we would 3219 02:23:40,319 --> 02:23:42,399 then adopt a final budget before 3220 02:23:42,399 --> 02:23:48,630 September 1st. 3221 02:23:48,640 --> 02:23:51,670 » Sorry. 3222 02:23:51,680 --> 02:23:56,080 » So So do we need to table item 11 then? 3223 02:23:56,080 --> 02:23:59,040 Is that the 3224 02:23:59,040 --> 02:24:00,160 best course of action? 3225 02:24:00,160 --> 02:24:02,880 >> Up to you guys. Okay, 3226 02:24:02,880 --> 02:24:04,479 I'll let somebody on the council make 3227 02:24:04,479 --> 02:24:07,840 that decision then. 3228 02:24:07,840 --> 02:24:09,600 >> Mayor, I move to table resolution 3229 02:24:09,600 --> 02:24:11,680 2026-37 3230 02:24:11,680 --> 02:24:14,399 to the June 3rd city council meeting. 3231 02:24:14,399 --> 02:24:16,319 >> We have a motion. Is there a second? 3232 02:24:16,319 --> 02:24:17,680 >> I second. 3233 02:24:17,680 --> 02:24:19,600 >> So motion by council member Butler, a 3234 02:24:19,600 --> 02:24:21,359 second by council member Thomas. All in 3235 02:24:21,359 --> 02:24:22,080 favor? 3236 02:24:22,080 --> 02:24:23,520 >> I. 3237 02:24:23,520 --> 02:24:26,640 >> Okay, we'll table item 11 3238 02:24:26,640 --> 02:24:30,319 and need a motion to adjurnn. 3239 02:24:30,319 --> 02:24:32,319 Do we want to do council reports? 3240 02:24:32,319 --> 02:24:34,800 >> I thought I put it on the agenda. 3241 02:24:34,800 --> 02:24:35,600 >> Agenda. So 3242 02:24:35,600 --> 02:24:36,240 >> yeah, 3243 02:24:36,240 --> 02:24:38,960 >> the only council report is just what 3244 02:24:38,960 --> 02:24:40,960 said tonight the survey. Everybody, 3245 02:24:40,960 --> 02:24:42,880 please do the survey because they are 3246 02:24:42,880 --> 02:24:44,240 really on me to 3247 02:24:44,240 --> 02:24:45,920 >> No, it's been it I think it's it'll be 3248 02:24:45,920 --> 02:24:47,200 an easy survey. I'm really proud of 3249 02:24:47,200 --> 02:24:48,800 Gransville for getting 74. They said 3250 02:24:48,800 --> 02:24:49,439 >> that's awesome. 3251 02:24:49,439 --> 02:24:50,560 >> They said it was like 3252 02:24:50,560 --> 02:24:52,800 >> I was one of those. Sorry. 3253 02:24:52,800 --> 02:24:54,399 >> Thank you. Thank you. I actually haven't 3254 02:24:54,399 --> 02:24:56,720 done it yet, but they that they would 3255 02:24:56,720 --> 02:24:58,000 like that information. 3256 02:24:58,000 --> 02:25:00,640 I also think the public needs to know 3257 02:25:00,640 --> 02:25:02,800 the reason we rescheduled this meeting. 3258 02:25:02,800 --> 02:25:05,120 Wednesday is graduation. 3259 02:25:05,120 --> 02:25:07,120 >> You have two members on this council 3260 02:25:07,120 --> 02:25:09,840 that have kids graduating and we have 3261 02:25:09,840 --> 02:25:11,439 one councilman that's flying out 3262 02:25:11,439 --> 02:25:12,319 tonight. So 3263 02:25:12,319 --> 02:25:13,280 >> we would had a quorum. 3264 02:25:13,280 --> 02:25:14,640 >> We would have had a quorum. We had to 3265 02:25:14,640 --> 02:25:16,880 reschedu the meeting. Also, Memorial Day 3266 02:25:16,880 --> 02:25:19,520 is the next weekend. We didn't have any 3267 02:25:19,520 --> 02:25:22,319 other days to do that. So please know 3268 02:25:22,319 --> 02:25:23,520 that world. 3269 02:25:23,520 --> 02:25:24,880 >> No other reason. 3270 02:25:24,880 --> 02:25:26,399 >> Yep. Sorry. The only reason 3271 02:25:26,399 --> 02:25:31,110 >> my daughter, blame it on my daughter. 3272 02:25:31,120 --> 02:25:32,960 » And thank you all to the members of the 3273 02:25:32,960 --> 02:25:36,800 public that are here. We appreciate it. 3274 02:25:36,800 --> 02:25:39,120 >> Make a motion we second. 3275 02:25:39,120 --> 02:25:41,920 >> All in favor? I 3276 02:25:41,920 --> 02:25:46,280 can't remember if we done that. Yeah.