[0:00] I said
[0:32] Is he out?
[0:35] [laughter]
[0:45] » [clears throat]
[0:47] >> Yes. Just one.
[1:02] » Sticking out.
[1:15] and everyone else also play the
[1:18] contractility.
[1:28] [clears throat]
[1:35] But he also
[1:37] >> in this one they we're going to have to
[1:40] allow other people.
[1:46] » Yeah.
[1:46] >> Sure. But school is still
[1:55] » you're ready.
[1:59] » Okay. Welcome everybody. We're so glad
[2:01] to see you all here. This is a regular
[2:03] meeting of the Grantsville City Council.
[2:05] For the record, today's date is July 15,
[2:08] 2026, and the time is 7 p.m. This
[2:12] meeting is being held at the Grantsville
[2:13] City Council Chambers located at 429
[2:16] East Main Street, Grantsville, Utah, as
[2:18] well as electronically by Zoom. I am
[2:21] Mayor Heidi Hammond, and I will conduct
[2:23] a roll call. Council member Butler
[2:25] >> here,
[2:25] >> Dalton,
[2:26] >> here.
[2:26] >> Skinner,
[2:27] >> here.
[2:28] >> Thomas
[2:28] >> here,
[2:29] >> Williams
[2:30] >> here.
[2:30] >> Thank you. If everyone would please uh
[2:33] rise and join me in the pledge of
[2:35] >> allegiance.
[2:36] [clears throat]
[2:41] I aliance to the flag of the United
[2:45] States of America and to the republic
[2:48] for it stands one nation
[2:52] indivisible with liberty and justice for
[2:54] all.
[3:00] » [clears throat]
[3:04] » All right. Our first agenda item tonight
[3:07] um is public comment. The floor is open
[3:10] to the public to bring their concerns to
[3:12] the council for items not listed on the
[3:15] agenda.
[3:23] Okay, let's go.
[3:28] » Good evening, mayor and members of the
[3:30] council. Thank you for your time
[3:31] tonight. Uh my name is Jim McGregor. I
[3:33] serve as IT director at a company called
[3:35] Olive and Coco located in Salt Lake
[3:37] City. Uh we are a luxury gift retailer.
[3:40] Um I'll be honest with you, I don't
[3:42] personally live in Grantsville. Um my
[3:44] home is in West Haven and I've traveled
[3:46] the distance here tonight because this
[3:47] issue matters enough to make the trip. I
[3:50] hope that tells you something about how
[3:51] important it is. I'm here on behalf of a
[3:53] Granville resident and one of my valued
[3:55] employees, uh, Miss Wendy McCury, who
[3:57] lives at 233 West Vegas Street, which is
[4:00] about 2 miles north of here. Uh, Wendy
[4:04] has called that home for 5 and a half
[4:05] years since February 2021. She serves as
[4:08] our customer service lead at Olive Coco
[4:11] and like a growing number of your
[4:12] citizens, she works from home. In fact,
[4:14] Miss Wendy McCrory could not be here
[4:16] herself tonight because she's working
[4:18] right now on shift from her home on
[4:20] Vegas Street. So that's why I'm here to
[4:22] speak with you. Her livelihood depends
[4:24] on the one thing this city has the power
[4:26] to influence, a stable internet
[4:28] connection. Right now, the homes on
[4:31] Vegas Street can only get fixed wireless
[4:33] service. It works for most of the time,
[4:35] but isn't immune to weather. And when
[4:37] conditions are bad, the connection can
[4:38] falter. Even an occasional outage
[4:40] matters when your job depends on being
[4:42] online. It's a customer left waiting,
[4:46] work disrupted, and a resident who feels
[4:48] left behind by infrastructure everyone
[4:50] else takes for granted. And here's what
[4:52] makes it hard to accept. I have another
[4:54] employee who lives right here in
[4:56] Grantsfield, a block over on Race
[4:58] Street, and their home has quantum fiber
[5:01] service today. Same city, same company,
[5:04] two neighbors, just streets apart. And
[5:07] one has a reliable connection while the
[5:09] other has to settle for less. That's the
[5:11] difference between the halves and the
[5:12] halves not. And it comes down to nothing
[5:14] more than the street which you happen to
[5:16] live on. I'm asking you to close that
[5:18] gap by advocating on Wendy's behalf and
[5:20] on behalf of every household on Vegas
[5:22] Street, urging Quantum Fiber to extend
[5:25] service to their homes. Let me offer a
[5:28] few reasons why this falls squarely
[5:29] within your responsibility. First,
[5:32] reliable internet is no longer a luxury.
[5:35] It's essential infrastructure as
[5:37] fundamental as roads, water, and power.
[5:40] You wouldn't accept a street where the
[5:42] pavement washes out every time it rains.
[5:44] Broadband deserves the same standard.
[5:47] Second, this is about economic vitality.
[5:50] Remote work keeps residents earning,
[5:52] spending, and staying in Grantsville.
[5:54] Every home you connect becomes a home
[5:56] where someone can build a career without
[5:58] leaving the community. Fiber raises
[6:00] property values, attracts new families,
[6:03] strengthens your tax base. This is an
[6:05] investment in Grantsville's future, not
[6:07] a favor to One Street. Now, let me tell
[6:09] you why I believe so strongly. I've
[6:11] lived in West Haven for 23 years, and
[6:13] for much of that time, our internet was
[6:15] a monopoly controlled by Xfinity.
[6:18] One provider, no competition, and
[6:20] residents paid the price. Then, in the
[6:23] summer of 2023, we got Utopia Fiber,
[6:26] better service at a lower cost. And it
[6:28] didn't happen by accident. It happened
[6:30] because one city council member had the
[6:32] vision to see what was possible and the
[6:34] will to fight for it. That single effort
[6:37] is improvise of every citizen in West
[6:39] Haven. I've lived it and I know what
[6:41] it's worth. That's why I'm asking one of
[6:44] you to become That's why I'm asking one
[6:46] of you to become for Grantsville the
[6:48] person who sees the future and champions
[6:50] it because a private company weigh
[6:53] because a private company weighs where
[6:54] to build based on demand and local
[6:56] support. A letter, a resolution, a phone
[6:59] call from this council carries weight
[7:01] that an individual resident simply
[7:03] cannot match. You have a voice here that
[7:06] we do not. I'm not asking the city to
[7:09] build the network or foot the bill. I'm
[7:11] asking you to be the champion of your
[7:13] cit the champion your citizens need to
[7:15] press Quantum Fiber to signal a grant to
[7:18] signal that Gransville wants this
[7:20] investment to stand up for the residents
[7:22] of Vegas Street. Thank you. I'm happy to
[7:24] answer any questions.
[7:26] >> Thank you very much.
[7:27] >> Appreciate it. I stated earlier um just
[7:30] for items not listed on the agenda, but
[7:32] we do not have any public hearing items
[7:34] tonight. So any items that you would
[7:36] like to discuss with the council, this
[7:38] is your opportunity.
[7:48] » Good evening. I'm Jeff Aver. I live at
[7:50] 589 East Clark Street. And so I was here
[7:53] to specifically talk about agenda item
[7:55] number 13, which is the Falcon's Crest
[7:59] uh subdivision that's uh that's under
[8:01] consideration right now. I had sent a
[8:04] letter, an email out at to each of you
[8:06] um just uh addressing our concerns uh as
[8:10] neighbors that are adjacent to that
[8:12] property right now. We uh we'd come and
[8:15] talked to the planning commission here
[8:17] last week and and uh addressed some
[8:19] concerns there. I think there were some
[8:20] things that were kind of brought up
[8:22] after the public comment section and we
[8:24] didn't have an opportunity to kind of
[8:26] rebut those or to discuss those
[8:28] [clears throat] and so I wanted to uh
[8:31] take that opportunity tonight. We're
[8:33] kind of uh we recognize that there will
[8:35] be development. We recognize that people
[8:37] are moving to Grantsville. We're not um
[8:40] you know against that or uh or trying to
[8:44] stop that from happening, right? We
[8:46] recognize it's going to happen, but we
[8:47] would like to mitigate the impacts of
[8:49] that to existing neighbors who have been
[8:51] here for a long time.
[8:54] And so we I we just had seen some issues
[8:57] with this with current city code. There
[9:00] was an agreement or uh a development
[9:02] agreement that had been put in place
[9:04] previously and um that one had side
[9:09] setbacks on the yards. I think the code
[9:12] mentioned that it was seven and a half
[9:14] feet and 15 on each side. This proposal,
[9:17] this development proposes seven and a
[9:19] half feet on each side and that does not
[9:22] comply with current city code. Um it was
[9:25] mentioned at the meeting that they were
[9:26] essentially grandfathered in. Um since
[9:29] this uh development um it states
[9:33] in the current development agreement um
[9:36] let's see it says whereas the project
[9:39] subject to an approved preliminary plat
[9:41] that is being voided and replaced in
[9:43] this agreement. So that should not
[9:45] indicate a grandfathered um exception to
[9:49] current code. So, this development um
[9:52] currently
[9:53] um states that it's going to be 7 1/2 ft
[9:56] setbacks on each side of each lot um in
[9:59] the lots 1 through five and 23 through
[10:03] 27. That doesn't comply. That's going to
[10:06] have a uh we're already going to have a
[10:07] pretty big impact to our uh view to the north of that, right? We've got a
[10:13] very nice unobstructed view and we
[10:15] recognize that there is again going to
[10:17] be some development there. We're trying
[10:18] to mitigate that a little bit. And
[10:20] having 15 ft between houses there and
[10:23] these are going to be uh it's assumed
[10:25] pretty tall uh just because of the small
[10:27] lot sizes there. They're going to have
[10:29] to go up and uh so we're trying to
[10:32] mitigate that a little bit. We talked
[10:33] about a little bit about a privacy
[10:34] fence. And then the other issue that
[10:37] we'd kind of noticed was um code calls
[10:41] out a 10,000 foot minimum lot size at
[10:44] least in the RM7 side on the south side
[10:46] of that and uh there is a corner lot
[10:49] there for the corner lots um there is a
[10:51] corner lot there that doesn't meet that
[10:53] lot number six specifically does not
[10:55] meet that uh requirement. It's a 9,000
[10:58] foot lot. So, we're just asking that um
[11:02] current code be be honored and looked at
[11:06] uh for this kind of a development. It's
[11:07] already going to have a big impact on
[11:08] us. We are just trying to mitigate that
[11:10] as much as possible. And we feel like um
[11:13] if there's exceptions to what's already
[11:15] in place, that's that that that's just
[11:17] going to make it worse for us. It's
[11:19] going to be a more difficult um
[11:20] transition into that. And this is going
[11:23] to be a big transition from what's there
[11:25] existing to what's proposed now. you're
[11:28] going to go to very small lots. We're on
[11:30] anywhere from acre, half acre down to I
[11:33] think there's a third acre lot there
[11:35] now. And so we're going down to 7,000
[11:37] square foot lots behind us and tall
[11:39] houses. So we just ask that you kind of
[11:41] consider that and we're just asking that
[11:43] the city code be honored um uh with this
[11:46] kind of a development and we make sure
[11:48] that so that we can mitigate the impacts
[11:50] that we have. So thank you for your
[11:51] time.
[11:52] >> Thank you.
[11:56] Sorry.
[12:06] » Hi, I'm Wayne Boyer. I'm here with the
[12:13] get the information on this new
[12:15] subdivision which is known [snorts] as
[12:17] the Falcons.
[12:20] And my concern is I have livestock
[12:25] there.
[12:26] And
[12:28] this I received
[12:32] and it shows me that the retention
[12:35] center over here on the end of I believe
[12:40] it's 30 I can't read it. It's 30 ft wide
[12:44] that goes from
[12:47] 0.1 to 10
[12:51] and it's marked as a retaining.
[12:55] My concern is what these lots are up
[13:01] here. Is is the fencing going how's the
[13:05] fencing going to be involved there? I
[13:08] have livestock there. got problems
[13:11] already with
[13:14] things happening. I'm concerned now why
[13:19] and what happens to these lots. They've
[13:21] changed them down to this hair, which I
[13:25] found out finally I have a new one that
[13:28] you've changed all the all the zones in
[13:32] 99 apparently
[13:34] that they exchanged.
[13:37] I asked for this a while, never received
[13:40] it. Know nothing about when it changed
[13:43] the A10s and the RM7s now no longer in
[13:49] existence. Is this correct?
[13:55] » Say that again.
[13:57] >> I understand RM7's no longer available.
[14:01] Can't be used.
[14:02] >> No, it's still exist.
[14:04] >> Shelby, do you have something?
[14:05] >> The RM7 still exists. It just cannot be
[14:07] reszoned to RM7.
[14:09] >> So, nobody can re
[14:12] resone that.
[14:13] >> Is that correct?
[14:18] Now with these others, what about the
[14:24] retention center? How is that going to
[14:26] affect me with my property goes from
[14:29] point
[14:33] one like I say across as you will can
[14:36] see maybe you can't you don't have it
[14:39] there stem lots they've changed them
[14:41] down to to 7,000
[14:45] square feet. Does that what what about
[14:48] the retention center? Where where's the
[14:51] water get to there or where does that is
[14:53] that part of their backyard for play so
[14:56] the kids can go back there from their
[14:59] original lot number here? Is that is
[15:02] that attached to that?
[15:06] These lots are sitting here and then you
[15:08] got the retainers all the way across
[15:10] there
[15:12] and against my fence line.
[15:16] I'm concerned about my livestock whether
[15:20] they can
[15:22] it's been there for
[15:24] a hundred years owned it now they're
[15:27] coming in and
[15:30] I'm I just need to know where's the
[15:32] water going in coming in where's it
[15:35] going out I know it's retaining there
[15:37] what's the depth of the retaining that's
[15:39] going across that fence
[15:42] >> so Wayne this isn't a a conversation
[15:44] it's a comment
[15:46] So you're you're giving us comments.
[15:47] We're writing notes down and when we get
[15:49] to that point in the meeting, then we
[15:51] can bring up those comments that you
[15:54] made.
[15:54] >> Well, I said comments now.
[15:57] >> We can't answer.
[15:58] >> No, I know. I'll be here. You You can
[16:01] recall.
[16:03] >> I just need to know a few things. That's
[16:06] not a It's not uh quite right in my
[16:09] opinion.
[16:12] >> We will definitely address those. Thank
[16:14] you. Any
[16:27] other comments?
[16:33] » Anybody online? Alicia,
[16:36] >> instructions. If you are online and
[16:38] would you'd like and would like to make
[16:40] a comment, please raise your hand.
[16:44] >> Using Zoom.
[16:49] [clears throat]
[16:56] » Yes. Kayen. Kaitlin.
[17:03] » What? What is
[17:05] >> Codle? Kayn Codgle.
[17:07] >> Cogle.
[17:08] Kaylin Cogle. If you'd like to
[17:10] make a comment, you're welcome to.
[17:13] >> Hi. I apologize. I logged in under my
[17:16] son's account. My name is Brittney
[17:18] Cogle. Um, I just wanted to make a
[17:22] comment about the proposed
[17:26] um
[17:27] Where' it go?
[17:34] No, I was like seven. Oh my gosh, now I
[17:38] can't even.
[17:41] >> Okay, so it's about to exhibit A for the
[17:46] license plate
[17:49] uh recognition data sharing program, the
[17:51] memorandum for for understanding. So
[17:53] item section six. Um I just want to uh
[17:56] give my comment on these pro types of
[17:59] programs. They have been known to be
[18:03] very unreliable, very scary AI programs.
[18:08] Um, in fact, I have some statistics
[18:12] here. These cameras
[18:14] make
[18:16] out of every one out of every 10 cars
[18:21] are scanned and recorded incorrectly.
[18:24] and that makes the risk of our innocent
[18:28] citizens being um arrested, searched,
[18:31] detained, and held at gunpoint for no
[18:33] viable reason. Um and then in the um
[18:37] [clears throat]
[18:40] in the agreement that uh was posted
[18:43] online um it states that um the operator
[18:49] um the organizer of the camera um even
[18:52] that that are not held reliable and that
[18:55] it's solely liability is
[18:58] passed down to the agency party which
[19:00] would be Grantsville City and then
[19:03] because Utah code 63G-7-101
[19:09] um the governmental immunity act is in
[19:13] place that means that no innocent
[19:15] citizen can be compensated for time
[19:19] imprisonment and cost effects of these
[19:23] cameras misidentifying their vehicles.
[19:28] Um but there is a caveat on this. The
[19:31] only person who actually can be sued is
[19:34] our police officers. Um, there are many
[19:38] cases out there where citizens are
[19:41] winning millions of dollars that the
[19:43] city's police officers have to pay
[19:47] because they didn't do their due
[19:48] diligence and correctly identify the
[19:51] information
[19:52] um of this person's vehicle or the
[19:55] information from the
[19:59] that they received from for the crime
[20:01] that was
[20:03] a part of all of that. Um, so I just
[20:05] want to make sure you guys are aware
[20:07] that these cameras are more dangerous
[20:10] and they will be helpful. Um, it's also
[20:13] extremely costly. Um, the subscription
[20:16] alone for one of these monitoring
[20:19] facilities that would monitor all this
[20:21] data received is $30,000 a year. Um, and
[20:25] then putting all of the risk onto our
[20:28] police officers, I don't think that's
[20:29] wise. We're we're not big enough of a
[20:32] city to utilize these cameras and for
[20:35] the safety of our citizens, for our
[20:38] privacy rights, um that these cameras
[20:41] would go against like it's I just highly
[20:44] suggest you guys do not approve these
[20:47] cameras in our city.
[20:50] Thank you very much.
[20:51] >> Thank you. Thanks for your comment. We
[20:53] appreciate it. Anybody else online?
[21:06] No.
[21:08] >> Okay, we will close the public comment
[21:10] um agenda item and move on to agenda item number two, summary action
[21:16] items. Uh the first one is approval of
[21:19] minutes from the June 17th, 2026 city
[21:21] council regular meeting. Does anybody on
[21:24] the council have any questions or
[21:26] comments or concerns about the minutes
[21:28] from our previous meeting?
[21:38] » Go ahead.
[21:38] >> Now, mayor, I make a motion we approve
[21:40] the minutes from our June 17, 2026 city
[21:43] council regular meeting.
[21:45] >> We have a motion by council member
[21:47] Williams. Is there a second?
[21:50] >> Second the motion.
[21:50] >> Second by council member Skinner. All in
[21:52] favor?
[21:54] >> I.
[21:56] >> Okay. The next item is approval of
[21:58] bills. Does anybody have any questions
[22:01] or comments on the bills as they were
[22:02] presented?
[22:12] » If not, can I get a motion?
[22:17] » Mayor, I make a motion. We move to
[22:19] approve the bills as presented to us. We
[22:22] have a motion by council member Thomas.
[22:23] Is there a second?
[22:25] >> Second.
[22:26] by council member Butler. All in
[22:27] favor?
[22:29] >> I.
[22:31] [clears throat]
[22:32] >> Okay. Moving on to item number three is
[22:36] a presentation of the Groundsville City
[22:37] Youth Council Scholarship Awards and
[22:40] that will be presented by Jolene
[22:41] Jenkins.
[22:49] All right. Mayor Hammond, City Council,
[22:51] it's good to be with you today. And I
[22:54] would like to have Alyssa McCoy come up
[22:57] and Gwen Tavin.
[23:02] And I have to say I have
[23:05] loved working with the Grant City Youth
[23:08] Council for the past I think it's been
[23:11] four years. And but one of the things
[23:14] that I don't like about it, I'm just
[23:16] going to put in a complaint right now,
[23:18] is that these darn youth graduate and
[23:22] leave, but they go on and do amazing
[23:26] things. And we have these two girls who
[23:29] just graduated from Gransville High
[23:30] School. And um we wanted to
[23:35] honor them and give them our
[23:37] appreciation and present them with
[23:39] scholarships through the Grantsville
[23:41] City Youth Council. And so first of all,
[23:44] Alyssa, she served with our youth
[23:47] council for the past year and she
[23:51] was amazing at being a leazison like
[23:54] with all different groups and bringing
[23:56] in all these wonderful ideas. Um she was
[24:00] working on a podcast that hopefully
[24:03] we'll be able to continue and work on
[24:05] and um and just so many great ideas that
[24:08] she brought. Uh both of these girls are
[24:12] they've been insanely involved in so
[24:14] many different groups. I know you had
[24:17] theater and youth court and dance,
[24:22] right? Ballroom dance. What else?
[24:25] >> Miss Granville.
[24:26] >> Miss Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And Miss
[24:28] Granville. I forgot like just that
[24:31] little thing. Um, but uh before I
[24:34] present it, Alyssa, do you want to say
[24:36] one thing that you've gained from
[24:38] working on the Gruntsville Youth
[24:40] Council?
[24:41] >> Sure thing. Um, [clears throat]
[24:43] all right. On the spot. Yippee. Let's
[24:45] go. I think one thing I gained from
[24:47] working on the Grantsville City Youth
[24:49] Council was the ability to connect more
[24:51] with my community because not only was I
[24:54] connecting with them through my work as
[24:55] Miss Grantsville, obviously, it exposed
[24:58] me to more opportunities like the
[25:00] cemetery cleanup and our various
[25:03] meetings with multiple members of our
[25:05] community. us getting to interview the
[25:07] mayoral candidates for example, it gave
[25:10] me a lot of opportunities c to connect
[25:12] and really see the amazing community
[25:15] that I live in.
[25:17] >> Awesome.
[25:17] >> Great.
[25:18] >> Like if any of you are put on the spot
[25:20] like that, if you have a speech like
[25:22] that, [laughter]
[25:24] >> that's amazing. So, we would like to
[25:26] present Alysa McCulli with a $400
[25:29] scholarship from Grantsville City. So,
[25:31] congratulations.
[25:35] All right, Gwen. Okay, I got to tell you
[25:38] about Gwen. So, Gwen has served on our
[25:40] youth council for three years and this
[25:43] past year she served as our youth mayor
[25:45] and um the hardest thing with with Gwen
[25:50] is trying to keep up with her because
[25:53] she's like we're gonna change the world
[25:54] and she impacted Grantsville City with
[25:57] the things that she did. um she was the
[26:00] one who decided this past year that our
[26:02] theme should be empowering youth voices
[26:05] and she really strived to do that to
[26:09] make sure that the youth in our
[26:11] community had a voice and to make sure
[26:13] that you guys know what that voice is
[26:16] and and what their concerns were. Uh so
[26:19] Gwendalyn, same thing for you. If you'd
[26:21] like to give us something that you've
[26:23] gained from working on the youth
[26:25] council.
[26:25] >> Um let's see. Yeah, for the last three
[26:28] years I I didn't think I was going to go
[26:31] into the youth council, but the previous
[26:33] mayor actually invited me in and I got
[26:36] in um unofficially unfortunately, but
[26:39] that's okay. I've learned a lot from my community and
[26:44] I've learned a lot from myself. I've
[26:46] learned um really how like personally I
[26:52] like smiles. I like it when I go and
[26:55] help up front instead of behind the
[26:57] scenes. And so whenever I see like a
[27:00] children's smile or um you know I think
[27:04] we did the clean up Main Street, right?
[27:09] >> Yeah. That was the previous mayor's um
[27:12] activity that we that we chose to
[27:14] continue this year and I really liked
[27:16] that one. One thing
[27:18] that really stood out, I think it was
[27:22] this year's team. I really liked it. I
[27:24] really liked I mean, yeah, we had to
[27:26] extend um the members from what was it 7
[27:29] to 15?
[27:31] >> Uh 10 I think it was 12 to 15.
[27:33] >> 12 to 15. And there was a lot of
[27:36] involvement there. There was constant
[27:39] people just coming up and you know
[27:42] sharing their ideas. We did a think tank
[27:44] which was really fun. Um, we invited,
[27:49] who did we invite?
[27:50] >> All of Twilla County.
[27:52] >> All of Tula County. That was including
[27:55] >> Rad Pack. Did we try and involve youth
[27:57] court?
[27:59] >> I don't know.
[28:00] >> I think we tried, [laughter]
[28:02] but that was really fun. So, just seeing
[28:04] all the voices and seeing just really
[28:06] the amount of impact we can create with
[28:08] just a little group like us. Um, hoping
[28:11] that we can continue later on. So, yeah.
[28:14] Awesome. Thank [clears throat] you.
[28:15] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[28:19] » So, we would like to present Gwen with a
[28:22] $600 scholarship from Grantsville City.
[28:29] » Come on up, girls. Let's get a picture.
[28:47] You'll be here in 20 years.
[28:49] >> Hell yeah.
[28:50] >> Maybe sooner.
[28:55] » They do ask that at youth counsel.
[28:57] They're like, "What's the age to run
[28:58] for?" [laughter]
[29:01] » Future leaders.
[29:02] >> What is the age?
[29:05] >> 18.
[29:06] [clears throat]
[29:08] >> Next round, girls. [laughter] Right.
[29:10] >> I might I might actually be fantastic.
[29:14] >> Thank you. It's really been a pleasure
[29:15] to work with them. They're amazing. So,
[29:17] thank you so much for all of your
[29:18] contributions to our community.
[29:22] >> Um and thank you Jolene for your um
[29:25] effort and involvement in our youth
[29:26] council and also council member Thomas.
[29:28] Thank you so much for keeping that
[29:30] wonderful program going. Um agenda item
[29:34] number four is a presentation of gift
[29:36] presented by Aspen Kle uh the finance
[29:38] director.
[29:43] » All right. Um we kept it vague because
[29:46] the gift is um for Mayor Hammond and
[29:50] Shelby. So
[29:53] >> what is this?
[29:54] >> I WAS LIKE WE HAVE TO KEEP IT VAGUE. I
[29:56] don't want to give it away. But as you
[29:58] guys may recall, a couple I think just
[30:00] the last council meeting, Shelby went
[30:02] out of her way to have presented thank
[30:05] you and like certificates for all the
[30:06] help that you guys received for the
[30:08] Grantsville City rodeo. Well, I was also
[30:11] having a thank you made for you two. Um,
[30:14] but in typical fashion, they didn't
[30:16] arrive until the week after, of course.
[30:18] But I do have belt buckles for both of
[30:21] you that are personalized thank yous for
[30:24] your work that you guys put in for the
[30:26] rodeo. So your guys's enthusiasm and
[30:29] dedication to getting a project done are
[30:32] is inspiring. So we just wanted to say
[30:34] thank you guys and present you with
[30:35] these. Thank you very much.
[30:49] Thanks, Alan.
[31:05] » The rodeo was lots of fun and I can't
[31:08] wait for next year. So, thank you.
[31:11] Battle of the Bronx,
[31:12] >> the full rodeo next year in October. We
[31:16] do have Battle of the Bronx that has
[31:17] been approved and we are excited about
[31:19] that. So, we'll be hosting that October
[31:21] 10th. So, put that on your calendars.
[31:25] So excited. And thank you again. Thanks
[31:27] for all those who made that whole thing
[31:29] possible. It was definitely a group
[31:31] effort.
[31:33] Um,
[31:37] our next item is item number five,
[31:40] introduction of newly appointed officer
[31:42] Taran Bowen and administration of the O
[31:44] of office presented by Chief Sager.
[31:50] Mayor and council, thank you for an
[31:52] opportunity to meet new officer. We had
[31:53] an officer uh Tom Sanford retire and so
[31:57] officer Bowen was in the works and it
[31:59] was quickly noticed that he was the top
[32:01] candidate and he came and started
[32:02] working July 1st. He comes with seven
[32:05] years of experience um a lot of uh uh
[32:09] quality experience working for a larger
[32:10] agency where he got to experience a lot
[32:12] of things but not only that he has the
[32:14] right personality for Grantsville and
[32:16] like I've told you before that's what I
[32:17] look for. has to be the combo because
[32:19] our our city is unique. And I I just
[32:22] invite Taran up here. He's got his
[32:24] lovely family here and the youngster I
[32:26] think still passed out on the floor down
[32:27] there. [laughter] So awesome. Um Taran,
[32:30] just want to introduce yourself.
[32:31] >> So I'm Taran Bowen. Um I come with seven
[32:35] years of experience coming from West
[32:37] Valley City. I've been on patrol the
[32:39] entire time. So I've pretty much seen
[32:41] all you can think of. I'm excited to be
[32:44] here. The community is amazing already.
[32:46] just the difference between what I've
[32:48] experienced, what I have. It's it's been
[32:50] truly honoring to be here and I'm
[32:52] excited to see what Grantsville City has
[32:55] and how I can help better the community.
[32:58] >> Yeah. Without further ado, we'll have
[33:00] the group from the oath of office. If
[33:03] you raise your right hand and just face
[33:04] the council of the mayor and repeat
[33:06] after me. I state your name, do solemnly
[33:09] swear that I will support, obey, and
[33:12] defend the Constitution of the United
[33:14] States. I, Taran Bowen, do solemnly
[33:17] swear that I will support, obey, and
[33:19] defend the Constitution of the United
[33:20] States.
[33:21] >> and the Constitution of this state
[33:24] >> and that I will discharge the duties of
[33:26] my office with fidelity.
[33:27] >> And I will discharge my duties of my
[33:29] office with fidelity.
[33:30] >> Thank you, sir.
[33:38] Well, unfortunately,
[33:55] » all right, there's refreshments and
[33:57] drinks. Um, pick your family, show them
[33:59] where you're going to be working. I
[34:00] think it's important when you tell
[34:01] stories, help them process and
[34:03] understand. So, thank you guys.
[34:06] >> Thank you and welcome and thank you to
[34:07] your family as well. We appreciate your
[34:09] service to our community. Thank you so
[34:11] much.
[34:18] » I'll try to make it over in a minute.
[34:19] I've got a couple things on the agenda.
[34:34] All right. Agenda item number six,
[34:36] consideration of resolution 2026-34
[34:40] approving a memorandum of understanding
[34:42] for automatic license plate recognition
[34:44] data sharing. Uh, presented by Chief
[34:47] Sager.
[34:48] >> Well, first I'll go to Miss Cogle. Um,
[34:51] give some history on this this process.
[34:54] We have 10 cameras here in the city. We
[34:56] started planning in 2021 2022. That
[35:00] planning when Chief Ensand retired
[35:03] turned over to me for implementation. We
[35:05] implemented those cameras in 2023 and
[35:08] they've been active and we've been using
[35:10] them since without any issues. And and
[35:13] why we have um why we curve those issues
[35:17] is training. U annual training. Any
[35:19] officer that has access is required to
[35:21] have training. That training requires
[35:23] verification as mentioned. you. Yes,
[35:26] there is data enter entered into the
[35:28] system through multiple agencies um
[35:30] which is this hot list which we're
[35:32] discussing tonight with department of
[35:33] public safety um they verify that
[35:36] information they put it in and when
[35:38] their hot list stolen vehicles uh
[35:40] missing endangered people ve
[35:42] [clears throat] um people that may be in
[35:44] that vehicle this is all in
[35:46] investigative information that is put in
[35:49] by an officer or um one of their
[35:52] respective uh um helpers Um but anyway
[35:56] um and the 63G comment um that is that I
[36:00] thought that was important because
[36:01] that's the government manage government
[36:03] uh records man management act and so the
[36:06] data we collect is only retained in our
[36:08] system for 30 days and it's
[36:10] automatically purged and we don't have
[36:11] it and if a citizen comes and requests
[36:14] that data it's it they're not able to do
[36:16] it. It's protected information and
[36:18] that's what that 63g means. We do not
[36:21] release the information. It's not
[36:22] grandma requestable, which that means,
[36:25] and if Tyson has anything on that, but
[36:27] that's how I interpret that. I I don't
[36:29] know. Did she have any other notes that
[36:31] I may be able to answer that I may be
[36:33] missed?
[36:36] >> Well, I think she said is one in 10 um
[36:38] are mis provided
[36:41] >> and then the cost and the cost. Yes. So,
[36:44] the one in 10 I can't speak for the stat
[36:46] the stats on that. Um I we have not I I
[36:51] am unaware of any um
[36:54] any un any any incident where we've had
[36:56] the wrong plate or the wrong vehicle. Um
[36:59] what it does do is give us time like if
[37:01] we have a hot vehicle coming in we can
[37:03] actually strategically plan to stop that
[37:04] vehicle in the safest spot and have the
[37:07] resources there. But I I don't know the
[37:09] data on that and I I haven't experienced
[37:12] that. So I can and the cost yes it's
[37:14] 32,500 for 10 cameras and that's
[37:17] annually. So that's split up in our 10 areas and they're they are set up in
[37:21] strategic locations. It's like having uh
[37:24] an ingress and degress um areas of the
[37:27] city which allows us to have 10 points
[37:30] of ingress and egress
[37:33] in the city that alert officers where
[37:36] officers aren't going to be all the time
[37:37] for these these vehicles and or these
[37:40] suspects that are maybe in these
[37:41] vehicles. And the the cost on that is
[37:44] just an annual subscription. So
[37:47] >> the AI
[37:48] >> oh the AI active. So there these cameras
[37:51] can get very sophisticated. They can zoom in. There's there's no AI
[37:55] active on this. This is basically a
[37:57] plate or and then you can actually use
[38:00] it if you say we we had a case today um
[38:04] where we had a substantial amount of
[38:06] fraud um tens of thousands of dollars.
[38:09] We had a vehicle description and we
[38:10] identified that vehicle using the
[38:12] system. So that's we can use we can use
[38:15] a system like that as well. So um yeah
[38:19] the AI is there's no facial recognition.
[38:22] Um it's it's plates. You can upgrade but
[38:25] >> we don't have the upgrade.
[38:27] >> We have the base
[38:28] >> through our Yeah, we have the base.
[38:31] >> So
[38:32] >> sorry. Go ahead Britney.
[38:33] >> Sorry. Does the does the reader give any
[38:35] information that a regular officer
[38:36] couldn't get if he put pulled in the
[38:38] information in his
[38:39] >> No, we have access like if a vehicle
[38:41] passes, we put the plate information in,
[38:43] we get siegeous access. We actually
[38:44] probably get more information in the
[38:46] fog. The only reason it would hit is if
[38:48] is on a hot list like we're going to and
[38:50] a hot list means stolen vehicle, wanted
[38:52] person, missing, endangered, um things
[38:56] like that. Amber alert, if there's a
[38:58] plate attached, it comes through, it
[38:59] hits and lets us know, hey, that that
[39:00] plate's right here right now. um that we
[39:03] can mobilize resources.
[39:05] >> What's your protocol then when you get
[39:07] off then
[39:08] >> you the officer will respond look for
[39:10] the vehicle verify if it's verified then
[39:13] we make we make the plan.
[39:15] >> So
[39:18] >> can you give me just a few examples of
[39:20] instances where this has been helpful
[39:22] that things crimes that were solved but
[39:25] wouldn't have been without the
[39:27] >> was one in March.
[39:29] >> Yeah. There's
[39:30] >> the the triple homicide in southern Utah
[39:32] was was tracked through
[39:34] >> well statewide. Yeah. It this can be
[39:37] used for Yeah.
[39:38] >> I mean that that's the capabilities,
[39:40] right? We can track. We know this is it
[39:42] and you're it's entered into a system
[39:44] for a reason, not just random searching.
[39:48] Any case, any anytime you go in and you search for something, you have to
[39:52] have a case associated with that. So you
[39:55] and we know who surges because it tracks
[39:57] it and we know the case number and why.
[40:00] Just like the sensitive information we
[40:02] deal with every day. We we have access
[40:04] to criminal histories, driver's
[40:06] licenses, all your you know if if we
[40:09] have a reason to we have access to that.
[40:12] If we don't have a reason, we're not
[40:14] going to be looking for it. It we have
[40:17] we don't have time for that. So,
[40:19] >> so one of her concerns was
[40:22] misidentifying citizens and potential
[40:26] liability from the police officers for
[40:29] detaining them and putting them in jail.
[40:32] And I just I I mean talk to us a little
[40:36] bit about the protocol behind all that
[40:38] and how you verify and double check and make sure that the individual, you
[40:44] know, would come up with the plate and who the individual actually is that
[40:48] there's a protocol in place to to verify
[40:51] that where you're not just going to pull
[40:52] someone over, handcuff them, and go
[40:54] throw them in jail, right?
[40:55] >> No. So it kind of goes back to uh what
[40:59] Miss Skinner says is we have more
[41:01] information on another side too. We get
[41:03] an we get the the information through
[41:06] the alert through dispatch whatot and
[41:08] they let the officer know they respond
[41:10] if they locate they can use their other
[41:12] tools to help verify or if uh they know
[41:16] enough information because we've been
[41:18] working that case they have the
[41:20] knowledge to verify it without our
[41:21] system as well. So it's and anytime we
[41:25] take somebody into custody that we have
[41:28] to we have to identify if they won't
[41:29] identify themselves and we have a reason
[41:32] to book them into jail anyway we're
[41:33] going to book them in as Jane do John
[41:36] Doe but that's not not just because of
[41:39] this hit right we have to have something
[41:41] else so we do an investigation but we'd
[41:44] have to have a reasonable suspicion
[41:47] works into probable cause to make an
[41:48] arrest to to book into jail and so it
[41:51] all just goes
[41:52] up that tier and then um from there. So,
[41:55] it would be an investigative detention
[41:58] based off reasonable suspicion and then
[42:00] if we have probable cause, we can make
[42:02] an arrest.
[42:04] >> So, and I want to clarify
[42:07] we already have the flop cameras. What
[42:08] we're talking about here is getting
[42:09] access to DPS's database essentially so
[42:12] we can share with their database.
[42:13] >> Yeah, this thisou is just something to
[42:15] add to our knowledge or information, our
[42:18] data. So, but I knew that the questions
[42:20] would come up otherwise and that's why I
[42:22] give a history. We've been using this a
[42:23] long time um over three years to city um
[42:28] Tula County I think they switched LPR um
[42:33] systems or manufacturers but uh there
[42:36] there's a lot through the state. I think
[42:38] in this related to this with DPS right
[42:41] now there's 75 agencies that have signed
[42:43] on and four that are pending. So
[42:48] >> could you address for for us, you know,
[42:50] how does this make Grantsville safer
[42:52] >> in your in in your professional opinion?
[42:55] >> Well, flock safety or the and both
[42:58] theou, right?
[42:59] >> So let's just do both. If we have a a
[43:03] active criminal investigation, we can
[43:05] utili utilize technology to um either
[43:09] make our officers if we have a known
[43:11] suspect, we can use the technology to
[43:13] make a safer arrest. We can we know when
[43:16] they're coming. We know where they're
[43:17] leaving. We don't need to go to their
[43:19] house, you know, if they have a felony
[43:21] warrant or something. We know when
[43:22] they're gone. We can pull we can stop
[43:24] them on the road and make it safer for
[43:26] our officers. It helps it in the
[43:28] investigation side specifically with
[43:30] like drug investigations, um,
[43:33] trafficking investigations. Um, if we
[43:36] have protective order, domestic violence
[43:37] where we have a suspect that is not
[43:40] known and they've fled the scene, we
[43:42] know what vehicle they are in, we know
[43:44] they're coming back to Grantsville or
[43:46] wherever we put that victim for
[43:48] protection. Um, so we can help maybe
[43:51] curb any further violence before they
[43:53] may get to that person. Um or if someone
[43:56] says, "Hey, I'm coming to harm you."
[43:58] Okay, we know they're coming possibly in
[44:00] this vehicle. If they come into our
[44:01] city, they're they already said they're
[44:03] going to co-harm this person. We're
[44:04] going to stop them before they go harm
[44:05] the person or intervene, right? Um but
[44:09] that kind of stuff, it gives us the
[44:10] technology gives us a an advantage in
[44:13] time and strategic planning and it helps
[44:16] us make the officer's job safer.
[44:20] I had a citizen this week say there were
[44:23] multiple cities getting rid of this
[44:25] service. Um can you speak to that? Is
[44:28] that I don't know I don't know the
[44:30] details or the statistics on that.
[44:32] >> There has been a movement for LPRs.
[44:34] There's there's this side of it where
[44:36] some cities are getting rid of some some
[44:38] people choose council me council and the
[44:41] governing board choose to and others are
[44:43] keeping them. Um [clears throat] it's
[44:46] kind of depends on what way the city
[44:48] wants to go with it. It is a very
[44:50] valuable tool but it can personally I'm
[44:53] not I'm gonna give you two sides of it
[44:54] okay personally and this is me I'm I'm
[44:59] not afraid of it personally as
[45:01] professionally I am because I have to
[45:04] safeguard the citizens and the the the
[45:07] information. So that that is where yeah
[45:11] I I have to be afraid of that and I have
[45:12] to make sure we're doing it right. So I
[45:14] have two sides of it right. I see what
[45:16] it does. And now personally, I'm like,
[45:18] man, I'm not too worried about it. But
[45:20] can this go down another road? Yeah. If
[45:22] it's not guarded, you don't have people
[45:24] saying, "Yeah, this has to be within our
[45:26] policy and procedures training." Then
[45:29] um if if you don't follow those, yeah,
[45:31] it could be um used uh poorly.
[45:36] But I'd also point out there is our
[45:38] policy and procedures online for uh the
[45:41] plate readers. If you go under the
[45:43] police tab under policy, our whole
[45:44] policy manual is there and that is
[45:47] specifically pulled out so it's easy to
[45:49] access in one click.
[45:52] So, so [clears throat] all agencies that
[45:55] use this have procedures and trainings
[45:56] that they do, but you see stories that
[46:00] you know um license plate was red. It
[46:03] looked like an A, but it was a B. So,
[46:05] their own car got pulled over. The
[46:07] person did get detained. So, um, a
[46:10] police officer used it to track down an
[46:12] ex-wife. Um, they had policies and
[46:15] procedures in in place. I'm not so
[46:18] worried about our policies and
[46:19] procedures as much as the data that's
[46:22] that Flock is gathering from these
[46:24] cameras. And that's why I think cities
[46:27] are going away from is the invasion of
[46:29] privacy that that Flock uh potentially
[46:32] brings. That's that's a lot of concern
[46:35] that I have. What what do we have
[46:38] with flock that prevents that or do they
[46:42] have their own contractor agreement with
[46:44] us that they can take the information
[46:45] and do as they see with it? So our
[46:49] automated ALPR uh provider is Flock.
[46:53] There are many ALPR providers. So I
[46:55] don't want to tie Flock into all the the
[46:58] problem. We we that's our provider, but
[47:00] there are there are other ones. So, I'll
[47:02] be careful on using a specific company
[47:05] name um for the the issues. But um for
[47:09] our officers, just like our criminal
[47:10] justice information, our BCI
[47:12] information, we we monitor it. We have
[47:15] attack which looks at what we run
[47:18] monthly and if you can't run if you run
[47:21] somebody's wife or you run somebody you
[47:24] know and you you don't do it for a law
[47:26] enforcement reason is a class B
[47:27] misdemeanor and as a pol policy
[47:29] violation that we take very seriously.
[47:32] It goes in internal investigation and
[47:33] then it would also go to post. Same
[47:35] here. If you use a law enforcement data
[47:37] or law enforcement sensitive information
[47:39] to stalk or spy or look on somebody, an
[47:43] officer does that, it's a policy
[47:44] violation and they should be referred to
[47:46] post and they will be held accountable
[47:48] through policy and administrative
[47:49] investigation.
[47:52] That's not tolerated.
[47:53] >> But but flop cameras are giving like we said, it's the same information
[47:56] they could get. It's they're not giving
[47:58] anything more. It's not like, hey, you
[48:00] know.
[48:00] >> Yeah. They're retaining the the data,
[48:03] the information for 30 days. It wipes
[48:05] and it wipes off. It's not going
[48:06] anywhere. It wipes off. It's gone. We
[48:09] can't our our policy and we leave it
[48:11] that way. 30 days is in there and then
[48:13] it's gone. This and that's more
[48:15] restrictive than state law. State law is
[48:18] I think more like 9 months. We have 30
[48:20] days. So if we need it within that 30
[48:23] days, if we do have a case like today,
[48:25] we extract that data, put it on a
[48:28] different device and book it into
[48:30] evidence. So that is stored in evidence
[48:32] that is that is uh uh even more
[48:36] restricted. So
[48:39] >> I think did I did I touch on all those
[48:41] points?
[48:41] >> Yeah.
[48:44] Chief, my question is kind of along that
[48:45] same line as I was trying to understand
[48:47] this. It says an agency that chooses to
[48:50] limit the information fields to be
[48:52] shared with agency parties is
[48:54] responsible for the technical steps
[48:56] necessary to ensure that selected
[48:58] information is not available for data
[49:00] exchange. So it seemed to put it on our
[49:03] shoulders
[49:05] to limit the information provided. So
[49:09] are we limiting
[49:10] >> no information or what are we doing?
[49:12] >> Okay, so this is back to theou at DPS.
[49:15] We're we're we we requested access to
[49:17] their hot list which they manage, they
[49:19] monitor and they they purge, retain or
[49:23] purge and keep up to date. We want to
[49:25] know if their hot list is coming into
[49:26] our city, if they're stolen vehicles, if
[49:28] they're missings and stuff like that.
[49:30] Now, with that, if they don't want us to
[49:33] know because it's a sensitive case, they
[49:35] can partition that out just like we can
[49:37] partition our police reports from other
[49:39] agencies so they no one can look at them
[49:42] but us.
[49:43] So if we don't want our data shared,
[49:46] >> we can partition it out.
[49:47] >> We don't have to share it.
[49:49] >> So there's different levels of security
[49:51] as well.
[49:52] >> Okay.
[49:53] >> So that's where I think that one's
[49:55] going.
[49:56] >> Okay.
[49:58] >> But according to thisou, are we
[50:00] withholding back any of that information
[50:02] or are we just letting it all be
[50:04] available
[50:05] >> if we choose?
[50:06] >> Yeah, we if we choose to withhold that
[50:08] specific piece of information, we can we
[50:10] can hold it back. So,
[50:12] >> so that would be on a case by case basis
[50:13] like you decide to what this is saying
[50:15] is you could do that.
[50:16] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[50:22] » I just know for me my client's kids were
[50:24] kidnapped and it was a license plate
[50:26] reader that caught him and got him they
[50:28] found him in Mexico and when the FBI got
[50:30] involved that's how they got him was the
[50:31] license plate reader. Without that the
[50:33] FBI would have known. So I I understand
[50:35] everybody's concern, but I also
[50:37] understand and and I one thing they
[50:39] talked about was, you know, the police
[50:40] liability, but police have liability
[50:42] every day in everything they do, you
[50:43] know, like that's that's not anything
[50:45] specific to the block camera. They have
[50:48] post they have, you know, liability to
[50:50] post to the, you know, so I'm not I'm
[50:52] not saying they're definitely not immune
[50:53] from that liability. So I just don't
[50:55] think the flop cameras gives them
[50:56] anymore. I mean, it sounds like there's
[50:58] more because they have verification
[51:00] training that they have to do to use
[51:02] that flot camera. They can't just rely
[51:04] on that flop system generally.
[51:07] >> No, you it it's just it's information.
[51:09] It's more information. The more
[51:11] information we have, the better we do
[51:12] our job. But we can't just we we have to
[51:15] verify everything. It's it's steps. It's
[51:18] steps to get to where we're going. And
[51:20] this this helps us. Um
[51:22] technology helps. So,
[51:27] and I if Miss Cargo's still on, I would
[51:30] invite her. she can come and and have a
[51:32] discussion with me as well at the police
[51:33] department.
[51:38] So this request is
[51:42] basically connecting us for hot list
[51:45] information from into other agencies.
[51:48] Does that
[51:49] >> department of public safety
[51:50] >> state agency?
[51:52] Yes.
[51:53] >> So inter agencies, highway patrol, I80
[51:57] tie-ins, all of those. Okay.
[51:59] >> Yeah. Well, any anything that goes into
[52:01] DPS
[52:03] um the that is is able to be put on
[52:07] their hot list for their procedures or
[52:09] standards, we would have access to
[52:11] unless they partition and make a case
[52:13] sense. [laughter]
[52:14] >> So, Chief, in your professional opinion,
[52:17] what
[52:19] having that versus not having that,
[52:21] what's the difference or why the
[52:22] request, you know, why why the request?
[52:25] Well, I I see it as I have 10 extra eyes
[52:28] all the time with short with the
[52:30] staffing issue. I have two officers on
[52:32] most of the time, especially at night.
[52:34] And if I can cover the perimeter of our
[52:36] city and know if somebody's coming in
[52:39] that may be nefarious to our citizens or
[52:42] harm somebody and I can direct resources
[52:44] and then and we have a little bit more
[52:46] time to react and set up a plan, that's
[52:49] worth it to me. especially if we can
[52:51] verify and we can we can make um verify
[52:55] the information and and make it it safer
[52:58] for not only the suspect but the per uh
[53:00] anybody else involved and the officer.
[53:03] So, we've used it. We know we've get
[53:06] hits out here on Main Street um right
[53:08] before uh or right after the the meat
[53:11] plant there. We know they're coming
[53:13] westbound. We'll stage right here. We
[53:15] know the road's wider. If we think
[53:17] they're going to run, we'll just we can
[53:19] throw spike strips before. So if they
[53:20] decide to just run, they're going to run
[53:22] them over. We can catch them later. We
[53:23] don't have to pursue them. We don't
[53:24] pursue anyway unless it's a violent
[53:26] felony. But we can have our resources
[53:29] staged in the widest point of the city
[53:31] or the road and that just things like
[53:34] that. We use it and it helps. So
[53:40] yeah, this thisou we have the flock
[53:43] system. Thisou is expanding our data
[53:46] sharing or being able to ex to look at
[53:48] the data from DPS hot list that they
[53:52] manage.
[53:53] But we need to verify is what they're
[53:55] saying. Verify the information
[53:58] and then that's where the liability
[53:59] comes on the officer. If they don't
[54:00] verify it and they continue down the
[54:02] road after they even you got to verify
[54:05] and if you make a mistake you got to let
[54:06] you go up there and you make a mistake
[54:08] and you got to you got to leave. But um
[54:11] we haven't had that happen.
[54:14] Is there any extra charge for this?
[54:17] >> No, it's all the it's all wrapped into
[54:20] the the system that we already paid for.
[54:28] Anybody have any additional questions
[54:30] for the chief?
[54:36] Any
[54:41] discussion that anyone would like to
[54:43] have with the council? Express your
[54:45] opinions.
[54:49] » Rat, what do you think?
[54:54] » I mean, I I I think I side with the the
[54:56] chief with just with utilizing
[54:58] technology. I and I understand the fear.
[55:00] We we got multiple emails and and
[55:03] citizens reaching out to us, but the
[55:06] fact of the matter is we're already
[55:07] utilizing this technology and um this
[55:10] just, you know, enhances their ability
[55:12] to to get information in real time and
[55:15] to make plans. And so I I think it makes
[55:17] our city safer. I I I I don't like big
[55:20] brother looking on me either, but we
[55:23] live in a in a day and age where that
[55:26] just is hard to avoid. So,
[55:30] >> okay.
[55:30] >> Anyways,
[55:31] >> thank you. Jake, what do you think?
[55:32] >> I struggle with this one. Uh, honestly,
[55:35] um, you know, I anytime we're talking
[55:37] about and I know we're we're we're not
[55:40] talking privacy because it's public
[55:42] places. However, we you know, we we
[55:48] co hasn't really taught us anything. It should have taught us something,
[55:51] right? So I I really struggle with
[55:54] anytime
[55:57] we're
[56:00] you know entering an area that that
[56:04] could be a violation of you know
[56:06] citizens abilities to to you know but I
[56:10] is I think the biggest part of it to me
[56:11] is completely understanding theou and
[56:14] how the data is moved. I think I I I'm
[56:17] not prepared to vote on this tonight. My
[56:19] opinion, um I would like to have, you
[56:24] know, some more time to be able to get a
[56:28] clear understanding of how that
[56:29] information moves and where it moves and
[56:32] how we control it and what our
[56:33] procedures are to control it. Um
[56:36] I know this is a product that has
[56:41] helped um I mentioned that, you know,
[56:43] that triple homicide that happened. um
[56:46] was a theft of a vehicle and the guy
[56:48] just shot the two hikers for the
[56:50] vehicle. They tracked him through this
[56:53] license plate recognition program like
[56:56] and he was traveling from Utah, I think
[56:58] to Colorado or they anyway. So, is there
[57:02] a benefit? Yeah. Is there a safety
[57:04] benefit? Absolutely. I just anytime we
[57:06] hedge into,
[57:10] you know, um just that that's important
[57:12] for me. I think to be able to vote on
[57:14] this would be knowing, you know, how
[57:16] that data is moved and and what programs
[57:19] we have in place. I I appreciate hearing
[57:21] that, you know, we have a 30-day I know
[57:23] on theou it says that there's a 24h hour
[57:26] period for those hot lists and they're
[57:27] dropped. Um
[57:31] and and I think that's the
[57:34] >> there's an NCIC as well which is a
[57:37] national um database where everything is
[57:40] verified before it gets put in and then
[57:43] that that is part of it as well.
[57:45] >> I do think it's important to know what's
[57:46] happening around us and being connected
[57:48] in that process. um you know if we have
[57:52] the pro the you know we already have the
[57:54] cameras in place it'd be kind of like we
[57:57] we're blind to what's happening around
[57:59] us and I don't think that's safe safe
[58:02] for our citizens as well either. So but
[58:06] I I don't know my my feel is
[58:09] this one maybe needs a really good
[58:12] review of theou and understanding of at
[58:14] least for me. So that's where I'm at.
[58:17] >> Thanks Jake. [clears throat]
[58:19] Um, I mean, I'm all for giving our
[58:21] police officers tools to help their job.
[58:24] Um, be more productive and safer. Um,
[58:29] and nothing against your chief or your
[58:31] department, but I'm 100% against flock
[58:34] and what they do. [clears throat] Um, so
[58:37] whether we vote for it tonight or in a
[58:39] week, I will be a no vote. I would like
[58:42] to get rid of the flock cameras
[58:43] altogether in our city and everywhere.
[58:47] my opinion,
[58:48] >> Britney.
[58:49] >> I mean, I've kind of already said mine.
[58:50] I mean, I I I think it's a tool that,
[58:53] you know, we expect officers to have
[58:54] cameras on them when and we request it.
[58:57] We want it. We want those tools
[58:58] available. These are tools that
[58:59] available them to help keep us safe. I
[59:01] mean, I think it's especially when
[59:03] they're running two at night. So, if one
[59:04] guy's tied up, you've got somebody else
[59:06] to know somebody else is coming in the
[59:07] city. I think it's a tool and it's it's
[59:10] the same information they can run on
[59:11] their computer. So, it would just be
[59:13] they're not getting any more
[59:14] information. and they're not seen.
[59:16] They're just knowing when somebody
[59:17] enters the city. So I I mean I know
[59:20] we're not voting on the flot cameras.
[59:21] The DPS from my understanding is just
[59:23] giving us a bigger database. And so the
[59:25] more I mean obviously if somebody's
[59:27] coming down I 80, we have highway, we
[59:29] have people going to other states. I
[59:31] mean yeah.
[59:35] [clears throat]
[59:35] >> Thanks Britney. Jeff, what are your
[59:36] thoughts?
[59:37] >> Um
[59:40] yeah I hear what everybody's saying and
[59:43] feel the same thoughts. I and I I tend
[59:45] to agree with what Rat said, I tend to
[59:48] support the chief and um
[59:52] like we talked about all through
[59:53] budgeting how short staffed we are. So
[59:56] if it gives us additional 10 eyes and additional
[1:00:01] security then I think it's a good thing.
[1:00:06] » Chief, anything else?
[1:00:07] >> Protection of information is a huge
[1:00:09] concern. personal information and every
[1:00:12] level of our lives right now and that's
[1:00:14] a worry.
[1:00:15] >> Yeah,
[1:00:16] >> absolutely.
[1:00:17] >> I think I don't think I answered Derek's
[1:00:19] question. How do we who manages it? Our
[1:00:22] lieutenant our investigation lieutenant
[1:00:24] is the one who audits and reports to me
[1:00:26] if there's and he's also over our invest
[1:00:29] internal investigations and so and he
[1:00:32] provides all the access and the
[1:00:33] trainings and all that. So we do have
[1:00:35] internal controls as well. So,
[1:00:39] and then you mentioned I80. We would
[1:00:41] only get information if they hit on our
[1:00:43] 10 cameras coming in, not the state.
[1:00:46] >> So, what information are we getting from
[1:00:47] DPS then? Only if the hot list comes in
[1:00:50] >> hits our cameras, it will say, "Hey,
[1:00:52] Gransville, you have a stolen vehicle
[1:00:53] that's on our hot list."
[1:00:55] >> But that would be on their hot list,
[1:00:56] right? So, we're we're wanting to know
[1:00:58] their hot Yeah. It's not because we have
[1:00:59] our own hot list. I'm assuming we can
[1:01:01] put on. So, this would be notifying us
[1:01:03] somebody else on DB. Otherwise, without
[1:01:05] this, we wouldn't have access to would
[1:01:07] have less data.
[1:01:08] >> Would it would it hit if somebody from
[1:01:10] >> No, their hot list wouldn't be shared
[1:01:12] with us.
[1:01:12] >> Yeah. So, this is just giving us access
[1:01:15] to their
[1:01:15] >> more visibility.
[1:01:16] >> Right.
[1:01:18] >> So, years ago we and to make it home, we
[1:01:21] had a shooter come here in Grantsville
[1:01:23] to our laundry man.
[1:01:25] >> Yeah.
[1:01:25] >> Would that have helped prevented that?
[1:01:28] >> If they had information that they could
[1:01:30] put into the system that was verified
[1:01:32] for their hot list of policies and
[1:01:34] procedures and they put it in there.
[1:01:36] Yes. And if we had one and they knew
[1:01:39] that information and it came in on Main
[1:01:40] Street just like where we had it and it
[1:01:42] says, "Hey, plates here. This guy's
[1:01:43] wanted for homicide." Um, yeah, we would
[1:01:46] know
[1:01:52] just like Yeah. Just like your example,
[1:01:55] the triple homicide, that's how it
[1:01:57] worked.
[1:01:58] >> The NCIC is would be on this list too if somebody's Yeah.
[1:02:06] And we get that anyway if we run it, you
[1:02:08] know, like you say,
[1:02:09] >> but the license plate will pick that up.
[1:02:10] >> Yep.
[1:02:17] » All right. I think we've had some really
[1:02:18] good discussion and thank you, Chief,
[1:02:20] for all your information and of course
[1:02:22] for all that your department does for
[1:02:25] our city and keeping us all safe. Is
[1:02:27] there anybody that would like to make a
[1:02:29] motion?
[1:02:32] » I will make a motion. I have vote that
[1:02:34] we approve resolution 2026-34 approving
[1:02:36] a memor memorandum of understanding for
[1:02:39] the automated license plates recognition
[1:02:41] data sharing as presented by the chief.
[1:02:45] >> We have a motion by council member
[1:02:46] Skinner. Is there a second?
[1:02:48] >> I'll second.
[1:02:49] >> A second by council member Butler. All
[1:02:51] in favor?
[1:02:52] >> I.
[1:02:54] >> All opposed?
[1:02:55] >> Nay.
[1:02:56] >> We'll do a roll call. Uh council member
[1:02:59] Butler.
[1:03:00] >> I abstained. abstained.
[1:03:03] >> No.
[1:03:03] >> Nay.
[1:03:04] >> Skinner.
[1:03:05] >> I.
[1:03:06] >> Williams.
[1:03:06] >> I.
[1:03:07] >> All right. The motion passes. Thank you.
[1:03:10] >> Uh, Council Thomas, if you want to come
[1:03:13] and we can go over this and help you
[1:03:15] better understand it as well, just so
[1:03:17] it's not sitting out there and, uh, we
[1:03:19] can invite DPS for a phone call as well
[1:03:22] if you'd like. So, thank you.
[1:03:24] >> Yeah. Appreciate your your staff, Chief.
[1:03:28] Thank you.
[1:03:30] >> All right. Agenda item number seven,
[1:03:32] consideration of resolution 2026-56
[1:03:35] approving the Utah ICAC task force me
[1:03:38] memorandum of understanding and
[1:03:40] accepting the fiscal year 2027 ICAC
[1:03:44] grant award.
[1:03:46] >> So this is uh IAK Utah. Um this is what
[1:03:50] Detective Ba Basset and Zero kind of
[1:03:53] specialize in the child exploitation and
[1:03:56] um anyway we are affiliates with IAC and
[1:04:00] have been for many years and they
[1:04:03] provide an award um which is monetary is
[1:04:06] $10,000 for their affiliated agencies
[1:04:10] and we use the this uh these funds for
[1:04:13] um equipment software uh lease which is
[1:04:17] a data extraction tool for when we soft
[1:04:20] or cell phones, etc. that we have
[1:04:22] trained detectives to use and that's
[1:04:25] about 8,800 a year. So, it helps pay for
[1:04:27] that and then just some training and
[1:04:30] some equip other equipment after that.
[1:04:32] But we with IAC, we're actually uh
[1:04:35] sending our new detective Bey to their
[1:04:37] boot camp academy. So, he will be able
[1:04:40] to to help with these cases and learn
[1:04:42] how to run them as well. So,
[1:04:46] I think this is most of most of you here
[1:04:49] last year. It's pretty much the same um
[1:04:52] agreement.
[1:04:58] Mayor, I make a motion we approve
[1:05:00] resolution 2026-56
[1:05:02] approving the Utah IAC task force
[1:05:05] memorandum of understanding and
[1:05:06] accepting the fiscal year 2027 IAC grant
[1:05:11] award. We have a motion by council
[1:05:13] member Butler. Is there a second?
[1:05:15] >> I'll second the motion.
[1:05:16] >> Second by council member Skinner. All in
[1:05:18] favor?
[1:05:21] >> Thank you.
[1:05:22] >> All right. Thanks, Chief.
[1:05:24] Agenda item number eight, a discussion
[1:05:26] regarding potential grant matching funds
[1:05:29] for the Grantsville Historic
[1:05:30] Preservation Committee. And I believe
[1:05:32] this will be presented by Ala. And I'm
[1:05:34] sorry, I don't know how to say your last
[1:05:36] name.
[1:05:36] >> Calc.
[1:05:38] >> That
[1:05:38] >> think of Las
[1:05:40] Sam at the end. Okay. [laughter]
[1:05:43] [gasps]
[1:05:44] >> Good evening, Madame Mayor. So nice to
[1:05:46] finally meet you. I only miss on videos
[1:05:49] or photos. and council members. As the
[1:05:52] chair, my name is Ala Kano and as the
[1:05:55] chair of the Grantsville Historic
[1:05:56] Preservation Commission, I am here
[1:05:58] tonight to request your approval to
[1:06:01] apply for a certified local government
[1:06:03] CLG grant that would help us take the
[1:06:07] next important step in preserving and
[1:06:09] promoting Gransville historic character.
[1:06:13] Since its formation, the Historic
[1:06:15] Preservation Commission has worked
[1:06:16] diligently to increase awareness and
[1:06:19] appreciation of our community historic
[1:06:21] resources. Our first major project was
[1:06:25] the creation and publication of this
[1:06:27] booklet and I hope that all of you have
[1:06:28] a copy in your home. If you don't,
[1:06:30] please take one from CIA.
[1:06:33] And um we were able to do that by
[1:06:36] applying for a CLG grant which uh we had
[1:06:39] the matching grant the funds that we
[1:06:41] used to restore the donor greet museum.
[1:06:45] So um these booklets highlight many of
[1:06:48] the historic buildings that make our
[1:06:50] city unique. As you can see the cover of
[1:06:54] our that this booklet this is not the
[1:06:57] first time this home has been presented
[1:07:00] or published. This is the residence that
[1:07:03] is on the corner of Hail and Main
[1:07:04] Street. I want to present to you this
[1:07:06] book that was published by the state of
[1:07:09] Utah that also has that home published.
[1:07:12] So, it is pretty unique, pretty awesome,
[1:07:14] and we definitely want to protect it.
[1:07:18] We have also successfully organized
[1:07:20] historic home tours, which I provided a
[1:07:23] flyer. We are seeking for residents that
[1:07:26] own historic homes to sign up for this
[1:07:29] year's tour, which has become very
[1:07:31] popular community event. This year will
[1:07:34] mark our third annual tour featuring
[1:07:36] additional historic homes and providing
[1:07:38] residents and visitors with a greater
[1:07:40] appreciation of Bransfield Heritage.
[1:07:44] In addition, the commission has assisted
[1:07:46] homeowners on some years to applying for
[1:07:48] this grant, which will support
[1:07:51] preservation and repair projects for
[1:07:53] their historic properties. While these
[1:07:55] efforts have been great and valuable, we
[1:07:58] believe there is an opportunity to do
[1:07:59] more. At our monthly meeting last week,
[1:08:02] we met with Chris Hansen and Corey
[1:08:04] Jensen from the Utah State Historic
[1:08:06] Preservation Office to discuss the
[1:08:09] potential creation of Grantsville First
[1:08:11] Historic District.
[1:08:14] They advised that the first step is to
[1:08:17] complete a reconense level survey of
[1:08:21] buildings within the proposed district
[1:08:23] boundary. On the screen you see our
[1:08:26] first attempt, our first draft of the
[1:08:29] boundary that we were uh thinking about.
[1:08:32] This survey will update the estate
[1:08:34] historic resource database which have
[1:08:37] not been updated since 1987
[1:08:41] and will help determine whether there is
[1:08:44] sufficient concentration of historic
[1:08:46] resources to establish a viable historic
[1:08:49] district. The estimated cost of the
[1:08:51] survey is approximately $25,000
[1:08:55] based on roughly about 1,200 buildings
[1:08:58] within the proposed study area. We were
[1:09:01] informed that this project is allegible
[1:09:03] for funding through the CLG grant
[1:09:06] program. The grant will provide up to
[1:09:10] $15,000
[1:09:12] in funding and require a matching
[1:09:15] contribution from the city. this
[1:09:17] application deadline is this month on
[1:09:19] the 31st. We just found that out last
[1:09:21] week. Um, and like I said before, we use
[1:09:24] a grant to do this and we use matching
[1:09:27] froms on the city on a project that the
[1:09:30] city was already doing. So, I am
[1:09:32] bringing this to your attention and
[1:09:33] hoping that maybe we already are doing a
[1:09:36] project on the city. they could qualify
[1:09:39] as the matching grant instead of coming
[1:09:41] with the $15,000
[1:09:43] uh new fund.
[1:09:46] Tonight, we are requesting your approval
[1:09:48] to proceed with submitting the CLG grant
[1:09:50] application for this project. The
[1:09:53] proposed study area generally includes
[1:09:55] property located between Carl Street and
[1:09:58] West Street and between Main Street and
[1:10:00] Clark Street and some um boundary has
[1:10:03] been extended up in the north of the
[1:10:06] image that you see.
[1:10:08] Establishing a historic district could
[1:10:10] provide significant long-term benefits
[1:10:12] to Grantsville. I have provided a copy
[1:10:15] of some common benefits that other
[1:10:18] cities and towns have received by having
[1:10:20] a historic district that you can review
[1:10:22] at your uh time when you can. But I'm
[1:10:26] going to mention that increased heritage
[1:10:28] tourism and visitor spending, enhancing
[1:10:31] marketing in the community branding
[1:10:33] opportunities, as well as eligibility
[1:10:36] for federal historic preservation tax
[1:10:38] credits up to 20%
[1:10:42] on qualifying re rehabilitation
[1:10:44] projects, providing financial assistant
[1:10:47] to owners of historic properties,
[1:10:50] greater neighborhood pride and community
[1:10:53] engagement. additional investment and
[1:10:56] revitalization of historic areas.
[1:10:59] A historic district is not simply about
[1:11:02] preserving old buildings. It is a
[1:11:05] strategic investment in Grantsville's
[1:11:07] future. One that can protect our
[1:11:10] heritage, it strengthen our community,
[1:11:13] encourages investment, and enhances
[1:11:16] community pride. We believe this grant
[1:11:19] opportunity is an important step in evaluating
[1:11:24] whether a historic district is right for
[1:11:26] Grantsville and we respectfully ask for
[1:11:29] your support in allowing us to submit
[1:11:31] this application. Thank you for your
[1:11:34] time and consideration. But I also have
[1:11:36] Bill Habby here to share with you some
[1:11:40] of his experience of why this is a great
[1:11:43] move.
[1:11:44] >> Also known as Bill Cooabe. It's okay. I
[1:11:47] know you uh get your last name butchered
[1:11:50] just as much as me, so we're we're Yeah,
[1:11:52] we're good. So, if you look on the
[1:11:54] screen here, you'll see homes or dots
[1:11:57] that are on homes that are already kind
[1:12:00] of identified in the the state historic
[1:12:04] preservation office as uh
[1:12:08] bu uh homes or buildings that are of of
[1:12:10] significant historical interest. Some of
[1:12:13] them are already listed on the National
[1:12:15] Register of Historic Places, but not all
[1:12:17] of them. The purpose for doing a
[1:12:20] historic district is so that we can
[1:12:22] qualify for additional resources for
[1:12:25] homeowners that are in historic
[1:12:27] buildings or homes that uh can
[1:12:31] uh help keep them up there. It's an
[1:12:33] expensive proposition to keep these
[1:12:34] places up. Um you for example switching
[1:12:38] out windows. You would think you just
[1:12:39] call Anderson or one of these places and
[1:12:41] have them come bring you windows. It's
[1:12:44] not that at all. I smiling over there.
[1:12:46] He knows it's it's a labor of love and
[1:12:49] it's a constant effort to keep these
[1:12:51] buildings up. So having a little bit of
[1:12:52] additional resources um or through some
[1:12:55] grant money or other things, having a
[1:12:58] district makes that available to you and
[1:13:00] for you. So um this is important and and
[1:13:03] again as Ala points out and I should say
[1:13:07] I don't know how many of you know Ala
[1:13:09] are familiar with her background she is
[1:13:11] an architect and designer and has an
[1:13:16] immense passion and love for uh
[1:13:19] Grantsville city. Her master's thesis
[1:13:22] when she was getting her degree was
[1:13:24] about uh Grantsville and a proposal that
[1:13:28] she had put together for Main Street.
[1:13:30] and it's absolutely wonderful.
[1:13:34] So the the the interest and the passion
[1:13:37] is there and I hope that that's obvious
[1:13:39] in in what she has said but also in the
[1:13:41] efforts that she's making to make
[1:13:42] Grantsville stay unique and interesting.
[1:13:45] The way to do that is through this kind
[1:13:47] of effort and um so
[1:13:51] we know that the the budget is tight. We
[1:13:54] know that uh there are considerations
[1:13:57] that need to be brought to bear, but the
[1:13:59] ask is uh we feel like uh a pretty small
[1:14:03] ask in the grand scheme of things to
[1:14:04] help us get these things going. So
[1:14:07] that's where we're at, I think. Is that
[1:14:09] helpful?
[1:14:10] >> Yeah. Wonderful.
[1:14:11] >> Anything else you need?
[1:14:13] >> Okay.
[1:14:13] >> Thank you. Thank you.
[1:14:17] >> Does anybody have any questions for Ala
[1:14:19] or Bill?
[1:14:20] >> Um I I don't have any questions. made
[1:14:23] more of a comment. Um, this I'm actually
[1:14:26] glad this item has been brought uh in
[1:14:30] front of the group. this this year we
[1:14:32] had some brick falling off of one of our
[1:14:35] historic buildings and that individual
[1:14:39] I tried to connect with them to see what
[1:14:42] we could do to to find grants or
[1:14:44] whatever to you know preserve it in what
[1:14:49] it should be and and those individuals
[1:14:50] are forced to have to to do that on
[1:14:53] their own accord and so uh this avenue
[1:14:57] is is I think it's a it's a great idea
[1:15:01] great move in the right direction. So,
[1:15:03] it's my opinion.
[1:15:03] >> I do have a question. She said there may
[1:15:05] be already a project going that could
[1:15:07] count for these funds. Do we have
[1:15:08] anything that would count for
[1:15:09] [clears throat] these or is this would
[1:15:10] this be a separate 15,000 that we need
[1:15:12] to allocate?
[1:15:14] >> Anybody [laughter]
[1:15:15] ask?
[1:15:17] >> No, I don't know. So, I don't think we
[1:15:19] have a specific line item for this kind
[1:15:22] of thing, but uh to Ala's point, I think
[1:15:26] everything that we put into this,
[1:15:27] including the time that the the um
[1:15:32] historic preservation commission spends
[1:15:35] discussing these kinds of things and
[1:15:36] pursuing grants and and um establishing
[1:15:39] the district and all of those things
[1:15:41] that all of that counts towards the
[1:15:44] match. So you put a dollar value to the
[1:15:46] hours that are spent on those things.
[1:15:48] That's part of the match. So it's it's
[1:15:51] not necessarily a strict we want 12
[1:15:55] grand, they're going to ask for 12 grand
[1:15:58] kind of a thing. It's it's more of a
[1:16:00] what are you doing that's helping us out
[1:16:02] in this regard. So there's some offset
[1:16:05] there. It wouldn't necessarily have to
[1:16:06] be the full dollar figure. It's there's
[1:16:10] inind contributions that count as well.
[1:16:13] >> Yeah. So we just have to allocate this.
[1:16:16] >> Correct. This would be a budget
[1:16:18] amendment that would have to come later
[1:16:20] >> when we adopt the final budget and
[1:16:22] include that.
[1:16:24] >> But it doesn't necessarily spend it.
[1:16:25] Right. If we if we can
[1:16:27] >> well if we don't get the grant
[1:16:29] direction is would you like us to apply
[1:16:31] for the grant? We be back to have you
[1:16:34] make that budget.
[1:16:35] >> Okay.
[1:16:38] » It's just applying. It's not a guarantee
[1:16:41] that we'll get it. We're hoping that we
[1:16:43] will get it.
[1:16:44] >> We're probably pretty likely. I felt
[1:16:46] like in our conversations with the shipo
[1:16:47] that I thought
[1:16:48] >> yeah surveys for this kind of effort are
[1:16:50] very um like by the state. It's
[1:16:53] something that they love to
[1:16:55] >> these kind of projects are huge.
[1:16:56] >> These are the kind of projects that they
[1:16:57] like to see happening.
[1:17:00] >> So So what qualifies a home or a
[1:17:02] building for for this? So there are
[1:17:05] certain requirements that go year.
[1:17:07] >> If they're about as old as you, Derek,
[1:17:08] [laughter]
[1:17:09] >> then they qualify as No, it's it it is
[1:17:12] interesting. What did you say? 40 years.
[1:17:14] >> No, 50 years. It has to be 50 years.
[1:17:16] >> So I would qualify
[1:17:18] >> and not necessarily. You have to have um
[1:17:21] historic significance.
[1:17:23] >> Oh, shoot. Well,
[1:17:24] >> you have to uh have uh somebody
[1:17:26] important uh from Grantsville to live
[1:17:28] there or build it. Uh it could be uh the
[1:17:31] architecture of it is important for the
[1:17:34] history is significant for the history
[1:17:36] of Grantsville. Maybe it was a style
[1:17:38] that was built in an era and it was
[1:17:41] repeated and it shows the heritage of
[1:17:44] Gransville. So things like that or it
[1:17:47] was a unique building but it hosted uh
[1:17:50] important events for the city.
[1:17:52] >> If I could give you a little example,
[1:17:53] there's a historic district and I
[1:17:55] brought this up to the the commission.
[1:17:58] Um
[1:17:59] there's a historic district in Orum
[1:18:01] where I grew up that's called the
[1:18:02] Cristile
[1:18:04] um historic district and there are these
[1:18:07] cute little salt box homes that were
[1:18:09] built in the 40s that were for the
[1:18:12] people who came to work at the steel
[1:18:14] plant at Geneva Steel
[1:18:16] >> and they're all pretty boring and
[1:18:19] they're all not super unique and you
[1:18:21] wouldn't look at them and think anything
[1:18:23] other than well this is just a boring
[1:18:25] old neighborhood but then when you start
[1:18:27] peeling back the layers and you learn
[1:18:28] about the history of these buildings.
[1:18:30] Each individual building may be not
[1:18:32] super cool, but together they represent
[1:18:35] a part of the history of the city of
[1:18:38] Oram, which doesn't have a super great
[1:18:40] history. And it's it's awesome to be
[1:18:42] able to have those touchstones where you
[1:18:44] can go back to and draw from when you
[1:18:48] are making decisions about how do we
[1:18:50] want to proceed into the future? What is
[1:18:52] our city going to look like going
[1:18:53] forward? How do we draw clues
[1:18:55] design-wise from cool old buildings that
[1:18:58] give Grantsville a character that's
[1:19:01] unique and interesting and informative
[1:19:04] for future decisions?
[1:19:06] >> Well, it tells the story of who we are
[1:19:09] >> where we came from. Exactly. So, I just
[1:19:11] had the opportunity to be a few days ago
[1:19:14] in Savannah, Georgia, stood in a in a
[1:19:17] >> in a home that had George Washington's
[1:19:21] where he would
[1:19:23] >> entertain. And I'm like, if Walls could
[1:19:26] tell a story, you know, and so and I'm
[1:19:28] glad that structure is still there in a
[1:19:31] much older part of the country and we
[1:19:33] live in a much newer part of the
[1:19:34] country. So, protecting what we have is
[1:19:37] I think it's important. So, But a lot of
[1:19:40] these homes in this area represent the
[1:19:44] early the earlier days in Grantsville.
[1:19:46] >> Yeah.
[1:19:47] >> And this is the area that, you know, the
[1:19:49] commission designated as the the most
[1:19:53] likely area to to have this this
[1:19:56] historic district. And we've been
[1:19:58] working on this since the first part of
[1:19:59] the year when our first meeting in
[1:20:01] January. And we feel pretty strongly
[1:20:04] that, you know, this is um something
[1:20:06] that that that we'd like to support and
[1:20:08] do. So,
[1:20:10] >> if I may add, you all know Hilda
[1:20:12] Anderson Ericson and how important she
[1:20:15] has been for our time. We have her
[1:20:18] monument right up front. Do you know
[1:20:21] where her house is?
[1:20:23] And is it protected?
[1:20:26] She's important to us.
[1:20:29] We should care for where she lived and
[1:20:32] be a place of remembrance.
[1:20:35] I want to clarify one point too as well
[1:20:37] that being in a historic district does
[1:20:40] not mean that you can't tear down the
[1:20:43] home if it's
[1:20:44] >> problematic. You can't do changes. You
[1:20:47] can't all of these things. Um this just
[1:20:50] gives you an extra layer of federal
[1:20:52] recognition and protection and again
[1:20:54] qualifies you for those grants. So this
[1:20:56] is a worthwhile effort.
[1:21:03] Basically,
[1:21:07] » I think it's great. I when I did the
[1:21:09] tour on Clark Farm, I learned I mean, I
[1:21:11] didn't know half about Grandville that I
[1:21:13] was very informative. It's nice to have
[1:21:14] people that know and remember and can
[1:21:16] especially since we're having new
[1:21:17] developments and it's nice to keep this
[1:21:20] original.
[1:21:21] >> Exactly.
[1:21:22] >> And how many of us know where our
[1:21:24] downtown was and how many downtowns we
[1:21:27] had locations? It was not in the same
[1:21:30] place.
[1:21:32] It will be great to preserve that and
[1:21:35] educate a community.
[1:21:41] » Yeah, this has my support. So, what
[1:21:44] whatever we're looking for a grant
[1:21:46] standing, I'll I'll support this
[1:21:49] discussion.
[1:21:49] >> So, yeah, this this is a discussion.
[1:21:52] >> However, I guess do we just want to give
[1:21:55] them direction to go and apply for the
[1:21:57] grant and then
[1:21:59] >> reevaluate? we evaluate after that is
[1:22:01] awarded
[1:22:03] >> because even if they apply for the grant
[1:22:05] and then uh the council says I'm sorry
[1:22:09] we just can't fund this then
[1:22:11] >> then we don't get the grant
[1:22:13] >> and this is a yearly grant that we can
[1:22:15] apply for every year.
[1:22:17] >> So if we find ourselves
[1:22:19] >> that we can't this year then we can
[1:22:20] again do it again next year.
[1:22:22] >> Next year. That's right.
[1:22:23] >> But again the sooner the better so we
[1:22:25] can
[1:22:26] >> July 31st exactly is the date. So I
[1:22:29] think the direction that the council is
[1:22:30] giving you is to proceed with the grant
[1:22:32] application and then we will make
[1:22:35] decisions when that application has been
[1:22:38] submitted.
[1:22:38] >> Thank you.
[1:22:39] >> So seem acceptable to everyone. Okay.
[1:22:42] >> Thank you.
[1:22:50] » Okay. Agenda item number nine.
[1:22:52] Consideration of resolution 2026-53
[1:22:55] approving a pilot service agreement with
[1:22:58] Kids Can for the Kids Can Yellow Can
[1:23:01] program and that is going to be
[1:23:03] presented by
[1:23:04] >> Just interject just really quickly. What
[1:23:06] is the beeping sound?
[1:23:08] >> Oh, that is the fire alarm for the
[1:23:09] library. It's going off. We're trying to
[1:23:11] figure out why.
[1:23:12] >> Yeah, it's pretty loud.
[1:23:13] >> Yeah, we're trying to figure out what's
[1:23:15] setting it off. There is not a fire, so
[1:23:17] there's no alarm there.
[1:23:18] >> I did see the fire.
[1:23:20] I heard the truck come down.
[1:23:22] is turned back on.
[1:23:23] >> So, they're trying to turn it off.
[1:23:26] >> It's a lot of louder probably outside
[1:23:28] the building.
[1:23:29] >> All right. So, I just do apologize.
[1:23:31] >> Okay.
[1:23:32] Jessica, with that wonderful
[1:23:34] introduction, go ahead, please.
[1:23:36] >> Well, it's nice to be here tonight and
[1:23:38] thanks for having us. So, um my name's
[1:23:41] Jessica White and I'm just here to kind
[1:23:43] of a quick recap on our program. We're
[1:23:46] um working on starting a program called
[1:23:48] Kids Can that will benefit children in
[1:23:50] the community. We were seeking a pilot
[1:23:53] um community and we know the city of
[1:23:56] Grantsville is very supportive in making
[1:23:58] the city better and it's a great
[1:24:00] community. So, we asked the previous
[1:24:02] mayor if he'd be interested in this
[1:24:04] program. Right now, I serve as the
[1:24:06] president of a nonprofit in the Salt
[1:24:08] Lake area called the Ward Refugee
[1:24:10] Foundation. And I know how hard it is to
[1:24:12] start a nonprofit in communities, but I
[1:24:15] have seen a difference that it makes
[1:24:17] when cities and businesses and other are
[1:24:21] involved in helping the life of children
[1:24:23] and families. As I was talking to my
[1:24:25] husband and my family, we felt like this
[1:24:27] was something that Tilla County was
[1:24:29] missing. Um we don't have a lot of these
[1:24:31] programs that um will help children in
[1:24:35] whether it's be in school, community, or
[1:24:37] outreach programs. We will focus on
[1:24:39] children that are underserved or have
[1:24:41] experienced some type of trauma. We are
[1:24:43] going to be able to help them feel loved
[1:24:45] and seen through this program. We are
[1:24:47] looking to help establish to help
[1:24:50] established youth programs as well as
[1:24:52] individuals. Tonight we are meeting to
[1:24:54] ask for the pilot service agreement to
[1:24:56] be approved and we look forward to
[1:24:57] serving and helping the community.
[1:25:01] >> So here we are.
[1:25:04] >> Does anybody have any questions for
[1:25:06] Jessica about the kids? can.
[1:25:10] >> Yes. [laughter] What What is it? It's a
[1:25:13] >> So, it's a um yellow can garbage can
[1:25:15] service and they have it's a year annual
[1:25:18] that they can pay $120 a year or $10 a
[1:25:21] month that can be broken up into $10 a
[1:25:24] month and um it's just an idea that we
[1:25:27] it's kind of a program that um the
[1:25:31] biggest thing is people kind of forget
[1:25:32] about you. So, it's natural
[1:25:33] advertisement through the yellow can. So
[1:25:36] people see what we are and then they
[1:25:38] donate to that and the money we we will
[1:25:40] buy the cans and so it's no cost to the
[1:25:43] city but the money that comes from that
[1:25:44] we will put back into the community to
[1:25:46] serve um children or kids in the area.
[1:25:51] >> So define that a little more Jessica
[1:25:53] because it says that
[1:25:55] >> so it's $120 completely voluntary right?
[1:25:58] >> Yep. Completely voluntary. So yeah so
[1:26:00] we'll be marketing it. Yeah. It says 1%
[1:26:04] comes back to the area and 15%
[1:26:08] um comes to for recreational
[1:26:11] improvements or maintenance is
[1:26:13] determined by the city.
[1:26:14] >> Yeah. So um
[1:26:15] >> talk to me about the rest of the
[1:26:17] percentage
[1:26:18] >> and I apologize my husband ended up
[1:26:20] having an emergency surgery. So the 1% I
[1:26:23] think if I remember right you guys can
[1:26:26] help with this. I think was the cost. If
[1:26:28] it cost the city anything then we'll
[1:26:30] help um pay for some of that. the 15%. I
[1:26:34] know he's talked to Mayor Hammond um
[1:26:36] about some of the parks and things that
[1:26:38] you wanted to see to help the children
[1:26:40] in the area, but we will be keeping
[1:26:42] other I mean it's just not 15%. We'll
[1:26:45] definitely be seeking out we've talked
[1:26:47] to the education foundation and several
[1:26:49] other community support and we're hoping
[1:26:51] to work with them and um get money back
[1:26:55] into the community to help um children
[1:26:57] throughout the Groundsville area.
[1:27:00] Are you selecting specific kids to help
[1:27:04] or general type thing?
[1:27:06] >> Yeah, so it just depends. Like in Salt
[1:27:08] Lake, I work with city council members
[1:27:10] and mayors. I work with counselors in
[1:27:13] the school districts. I work with
[1:27:15] education foundations. I work with a big
[1:27:17] soccer program that gives away like five
[1:27:19] grants. So kind of we'll mimic the same
[1:27:22] thing just whatever's in the community
[1:27:23] that we feel. It may even be arts and
[1:27:26] music for someone um a child that's gone
[1:27:28] through some trauma that will support a
[1:27:29] year of arts or music for them as a
[1:27:31] scholarship. There's many things that we
[1:27:34] have done and we plan on kind of
[1:27:36] mimicking that same thing in this
[1:27:38] community.
[1:27:40] And so it'll be a lot of community
[1:27:42] outreach, getting to know what's needed,
[1:27:44] meeting with, you know, even principles
[1:27:47] at times. I've met with principles that
[1:27:48] will go through sometimes they asked me
[1:27:50] to help like five families for Christmas
[1:27:52] or something like that or five children,
[1:27:54] you know, that we can um one year we
[1:27:56] went in and there was 20 I think 20 25
[1:28:00] children that needed shoes and so we
[1:28:02] went in and provided shoes for them. So
[1:28:04] it it's a lot of different things
[1:28:06] sometimes. Um we have talked to the
[1:28:08] Children's Justice Center. Um, so
[1:28:10] there's a lot of needs in the community
[1:28:12] and we're just here to try to market
[1:28:15] them and hopefully bring that um people
[1:28:17] will support it and bring that back so
[1:28:19] that we can help with youth programs.
[1:28:25] » And how how will somebody enroll? Let's
[1:28:28] say I want a yellow can.
[1:28:30] >> What's my step to do that? So, we just
[1:28:33] um we're working on all the final
[1:28:35] details now, but we'll have a website
[1:28:37] and an enrollment program that they'll
[1:28:38] just fill out their forms and their
[1:28:40] payment and we'll take care of that side
[1:28:42] of things so it's not any burden on the
[1:28:45] cities. And um then we'll take care of
[1:28:48] the cancellation and all of that, but we
[1:28:50] need to work with the city just to make
[1:28:52] sure that the cans are getting out and
[1:28:53] that we will pick them up if they cancel
[1:28:56] their program that or their can. And
[1:28:58] >> that's administrative fee.
[1:28:59] >> Yeah.
[1:29:05] The administrative fee is taken out of
[1:29:07] that 1%. Is that what
[1:29:08] >> that's the 1% is administrative fee and
[1:29:09] then we're also getting the 15% that that they out of the whole program
[1:29:14] for the city we'll get 15% of that to go
[1:29:17] towards parks or whatever recreation the
[1:29:19] city council decides. And then anything
[1:29:22] I mean if they have another cause that
[1:29:23] they want to
[1:29:24] >> that we want to we can go to them for
[1:29:26] any other extra beyond that
[1:29:28] >> like we'd love to work with your count
[1:29:30] like a council member if they have ideas
[1:29:32] or you guys see something in the
[1:29:33] community. We'd love that. We hope it's
[1:29:35] supported and we'll that's why it's a
[1:29:37] pilot program. We're going to try and
[1:29:39] see if we can um get something going so
[1:29:41] it can be a positive recognition in the
[1:29:44] community.
[1:29:45] >> What other cities are you working with?
[1:29:47] Um, we have talked to several cities,
[1:29:49] but we really needed just to I mean,
[1:29:52] I've talked to Draper, Riverton, we've
[1:29:55] talked to West Valley, South Salt Lake
[1:29:57] because I work with that mayor a lot. We
[1:29:59] um talked to Twilla City, but we really
[1:30:02] just we need to make sure we have a
[1:30:04] pilot program so we're ready to before
[1:30:07] we go and hopefully grow bigger. So,
[1:30:11] that's kind of we've worked with um back
[1:30:14] east. They do this a lot for um breast
[1:30:17] cancer and we've talked to cities back
[1:30:18] there that do it and um how they pilot
[1:30:21] that or how they started that program
[1:30:23] and so we have talked to other cities
[1:30:26] that have had this program but we don't
[1:30:28] have any currently in Utah that do.
[1:30:32] >> So this is build separately
[1:30:35] >> from the city like this isn't going to
[1:30:38] come through on my city bill?
[1:30:39] >> Nope.
[1:30:40] >> It'll be totally separate.
[1:30:41] >> Totally separate. Yeah. What do we do
[1:30:44] with the old garbage can? We have, the
[1:30:45] old gray one.
[1:30:46] >> Um, so we talked to Ace about that and
[1:30:49] they said, I mean, their idea was
[1:30:52] eventually they get broken and, um, it
[1:30:54] saves you guys money because you don't
[1:30:56] have to keep putting money into buying
[1:30:58] new garbage cans if people are using
[1:30:59] ours. But, um, they will recycle them.
[1:31:02] They usually, they said they usually get
[1:31:04] phone I mean the city gets phone calls,
[1:31:07] but they come and pick them up if
[1:31:08] there's broken lids or broken wheels.
[1:31:10] And sometimes the city repairs them.
[1:31:11] Sometimes they go into retirement and
[1:31:13] then they replace those, but then most
[1:31:16] of the times the city pays for those new
[1:31:18] cans.
[1:31:22] So, I mean, I guess they would just be
[1:31:24] stored here till the next person needs
[1:31:26] them. And I'm
[1:31:28] >> with the growth, I'm sure you'll get new
[1:31:30] people using them. But
[1:31:31] >> if I get two yellow cans, what do I do
[1:31:33] with my
[1:31:33] >> Yeah, they'll come. Yeah. And that was
[1:31:35] part of it is the city would come pick
[1:31:36] them.
[1:31:37] >> Then we'll give it to a new a new new
[1:31:38] homeowner that comes in and obviously
[1:31:40] paint it first
[1:31:41] >> and then if they don't want the yellow
[1:31:43] can or pay the extra for it.
[1:31:45] >> Yeah.
[1:31:45] >> But it helps if everyone in the city
[1:31:47] does decide to do this then the city
[1:31:49] won't have to buy those those cans. And
[1:31:51] I think their last can purchase was like
[1:31:54] $90,000.
[1:31:55] >> Yeah. And Yeah. Um the cans are about an
[1:31:59] they hope to get seven to eight years
[1:32:00] but that could with the wind storms and
[1:32:02] things lower the thing but
[1:32:04] >> cost
[1:32:05] >> 65
[1:32:06] >> $65.
[1:32:08] So your initial investment is 50% of
[1:32:12] what
[1:32:12] >> Yeah. So we yeah we've already Yeah.
[1:32:14] We've already are working on getting all
[1:32:17] that. So it is a big investment for us
[1:32:19] to put into it. That's our commitment is
[1:32:22] we are committed to try to make this
[1:32:24] work and
[1:32:25] help the community is really what we're
[1:32:27] trying to do. It's just a nonprofit to
[1:32:30] >> Your husband came and he he presented to
[1:32:32] us last year. I believe it was last
[1:32:34] year.
[1:32:34] >> Yep. It's been a while. We've been
[1:32:35] working on this. So
[1:32:39] >> my my only other thought was and this is
[1:32:41] just clearly for transparency, but even
[1:32:44] though it's a nonprofit,
[1:32:46] I'm sure you guys are allowed to keep a
[1:32:48] certain percentage to run the program.
[1:32:51] >> I wish that was disclosed, didn't you?
[1:32:53] >> Yep. And so um I've studied a lot of
[1:32:56] nonprofits because I agree with that.
[1:32:58] And it's really isn't disclosed. is by
[1:33:00] state statute and only 30% have needs to
[1:33:04] go to the nonprofit and we are a big
[1:33:07] believer in that you need to have we're
[1:33:10] hoping 70%. But it just depends if we
[1:33:13] can find like right now we're working
[1:33:15] with someone to hold our cans for um and
[1:33:17] that would be their donation. But if we
[1:33:19] have to pay rent, that is a cost if we
[1:33:21] have to. I mean, we will have to have a
[1:33:23] few workers to maintain the cans and if
[1:33:26] we need help with anything and marketing
[1:33:28] them. But we are hoping that the
[1:33:31] majority of that will stay cuz I agree
[1:33:33] with you. Like I'm the president of our
[1:33:35] foundation and I don't take any money.
[1:33:37] So, I work full-time for free and um for
[1:33:41] the Ward Foundation right now and um but
[1:33:45] there's several other foundations that
[1:33:46] they are paying their directors or
[1:33:48] presidents 100,000 and we just we don't
[1:33:50] believe in that. We believe that it
[1:33:52] needs to come right back to what we
[1:33:54] started it for. So, I mean, I can't give
[1:33:57] you a figure because we're not sure.
[1:33:58] Like I said, we're just getting this
[1:34:01] started. But our goal is that the
[1:34:03] majority will stay within helping and
[1:34:06] not
[1:34:08] serving someone else on our board. So,
[1:34:10] >> and this is just a one-year agreement
[1:34:12] and then we can come back and revisit
[1:34:14] see how it did like it at after that
[1:34:16] time.
[1:34:16] >> I thought this doesn't say five in here.
[1:34:18] >> It does say five at the beginning
[1:34:20] because we needed some time for the
[1:34:22] Yeah,
[1:34:23] >> but we can I'm happy to revisit anytime
[1:34:27] we need to.
[1:34:29] >> But this is an agreement with the
[1:34:30] citizens. It's just a yearly.
[1:34:33] >> Yeah, it's just a yearly and then they
[1:34:35] can either cancel at that time or it's
[1:34:37] just automatically renewed kind of like
[1:34:39] any other unless they choose to cancel.
[1:34:44] I have just kind of an administrative
[1:34:46] type question as far as how our garbage
[1:34:48] is dumped now. So, I have two of the
[1:34:52] black or gray cans, whatever you want to
[1:34:54] call that. And so, it's build with my city utility bill. Mhm.
[1:35:00] >> So, let's say like Brett said, I now
[1:35:03] have two yellow cans.
[1:35:05] How does that affect my city billing?
[1:35:09] Can somebody from the city explain that
[1:35:11] to me?
[1:35:12] >> Doesn't change a thing. You still pay
[1:35:14] for the garbage where just you just have
[1:35:16] the yellow.
[1:35:17] >> You still pay for ace to dump your
[1:35:19] >> If I have two cans in my front yard, I'm
[1:35:22] still going to have be charged for two
[1:35:24] cans, but they're just going to be
[1:35:25] yellow.
[1:35:25] >> The other's a donation. So yeah, and we
[1:35:28] feel like the $12 a month, that's like
[1:35:31] giving up a coffee or a meal out. It's
[1:35:33] pretty reasonable for people. So um
[1:35:36] that's what we're hoping is they'll pay
[1:35:38] that extra to help like community
[1:35:41] benefit the community and the children
[1:35:42] in the community. And that's something
[1:35:44] we will be marketing, but yeah, it will
[1:35:46] not affect
[1:35:48] >> so
[1:35:48] >> your bill. I mean, it's a donation
[1:35:50] >> the donation pretty much. Yes. pickup is
[1:35:53] all in favor and
[1:35:54] >> yeah, we've met with them two or three
[1:35:56] times and
[1:35:58] >> they just said it's really up to the
[1:35:59] cities. We contract through them. It
[1:36:01] will not interrupt our service. We'll
[1:36:02] still do the same thing and so we'll
[1:36:05] pick up the yellow cam. But we went to
[1:36:07] lunch with um someone from I mean we've
[1:36:11] been meeting with a lot of them but just
[1:36:12] like two weeks ago and she just said it
[1:36:15] won't interrupt what we do.
[1:36:17] >> Okay. So
[1:36:22] » I like it
[1:36:23] >> since it's tech technically a donation.
[1:36:26] Like we said, do at the end of the year
[1:36:28] the citizens that apply for this get a
[1:36:30] tax write off sometime?
[1:36:31] >> Yeah. So we'll mail out a Yeah, we'll
[1:36:33] mail out a
[1:36:35] oh form for a t uh you know for a
[1:36:38] donation. I'm trying to think of the
[1:36:40] form name, but yes, we will mail that
[1:36:41] out for a tax write off to everyone that
[1:36:44] has signed up for the program.
[1:36:47] I like it because it's a donation.
[1:36:49] People can choose to do it but not to do
[1:36:50] it. And if they don't want to donate,
[1:36:51] they don't have to donate. But I think
[1:36:52] it's a way that we can help nonprofits.
[1:36:54] I've actually worked with the word
[1:36:56] refugee foundation. I have a friend
[1:36:57] that's the board as well. So they've
[1:36:59] done a lot of great things for people.
[1:37:00] >> Yeah. Yep. It's been very successful. So
[1:37:03] >> yeah, I mean I agree like where's the
[1:37:05] money going? But I feel like it's keeps
[1:37:08] coming back to our community. still
[1:37:10] doing things in the community. I think
[1:37:13] >> Jessica, could there be maybe in a year
[1:37:16] if if this is approved, could you come
[1:37:18] in and do a report maybe even in six
[1:37:21] months as to where the funding is going
[1:37:22] and how it's helping our community and
[1:37:25] just kind of give us an update.
[1:37:26] >> Yeah, we want to be transparent and we
[1:37:28] need to be transparent for if we get
[1:37:30] grants or anything like that. And so
[1:37:32] we'd love to be as transparent as
[1:37:33] possible. we can say where the money was
[1:37:36] allocated, who we helped, who we're
[1:37:38] working with or community partners. So,
[1:37:40] we would love to be as transparent as
[1:37:43] possible with all of that.
[1:37:45] >> I just I would love to like help too if
[1:37:47] just to say I think it's great. I think
[1:37:49] it's good to give back community. So,
[1:37:50] I'd be interested in
[1:37:51] >> Yeah, I think it's something we're
[1:37:52] missing out here. I see a lot of
[1:37:55] resources and a lot of programs offered
[1:37:58] in Salt Lake and I feel bad that we
[1:38:00] don't have that out here that we can
[1:38:01] give back to those that need it most
[1:38:03] because until you meet those basic needs
[1:38:06] of children then I mean education and
[1:38:09] home life and everything's affected. So
[1:38:14] » Jessica, do you live here in
[1:38:15] Grantsville?
[1:38:16] >> I live in Stanbury.
[1:38:18] >> Okay. But just yeah just mentioned out
[1:38:20] here. So I
[1:38:20] >> Yeah. Oh,
[1:38:21] >> the the county. We're hoping to get it
[1:38:23] countywide is our goal.
[1:38:26] >> Yeah.
[1:38:34] » Anybody have any thoughts or items of
[1:38:37] discussion they want to bring up to the
[1:38:39] council before we have a motion?
[1:38:41] >> My assume was the five unit
[1:38:44] pilot program.
[1:38:46] I can get that, too.
[1:38:48] >> Well, I just I I was thinking the same
[1:38:50] thing. I mean, we got a lot of attorneys
[1:38:52] in the room here and uh
[1:38:54] >> almost almost on my hand. I can count on
[1:38:56] all of [laughter] them. But, uh, I I if
[1:38:59] we could add some sort of section in
[1:39:01] here that just states or or revise this,
[1:39:05] um, term and termination that that, you
[1:39:07] know, we we reserve the right um, in a
[1:39:11] year to be able to say, well, this
[1:39:13] probably isn't working out or, you know,
[1:39:16] or just be able to renew it. I I don't
[1:39:18] know that's something we can do. But, I
[1:39:20] mean, I understand that this is there.
[1:39:22] >> Yeah. I think from our standpoint is
[1:39:24] we're buying it cost us a lot up front
[1:39:27] to buy the cans and we're buying a lot
[1:39:29] of cans and marketing and it takes a
[1:39:31] long time. It's taken me four years to
[1:39:33] get the award foundation to almost
[1:39:35] double in size. So, it's taken us a long
[1:39:38] time and I just think a year would be
[1:39:39] very difficult to have this where we
[1:39:42] want it and um there will be hiccups the
[1:39:45] first year a little bit and that's why
[1:39:46] we're asking for your support and help
[1:39:49] but I think it would be very difficult
[1:39:51] to make that kind of a donation on our
[1:39:53] part just to have it taken away after a
[1:39:56] year. I understand if we've done
[1:39:58] something that you don't like and I
[1:39:59] think there's clauses in that there for
[1:40:01] that but um we're investing a lot
[1:40:04] ourselves too and so for a year to
[1:40:07] market it and get it going. I mean if
[1:40:10] anyone's kind of worked in a business or
[1:40:12] startup it's it's very difficult. the
[1:40:13] lowest you think okay with right now
[1:40:17] >> the lowest number I would like to see at
[1:40:20] least three but I would be okay meeting
[1:40:24] each year and going through that but I
[1:40:27] don't know
[1:40:28] >> well I mean these terminations for cause
[1:40:31] material breaches of this agreement and
[1:40:33] fails to cure within 30 days of written
[1:40:35] notice becomes insolvent or ceases
[1:40:37] operation or engages in conduct that
[1:40:40] poses a risk to public health safety or
[1:40:43] city's reputation. That last one's
[1:40:45] pretty broad broad, but anyways,
[1:40:47] >> I just What is our risk though? I mean,
[1:40:49] that's kind of
[1:40:50] >> I mean, it's a volunteer.
[1:40:52] >> Well, and that's the thing is if it
[1:40:53] flops.
[1:40:54] >> Yeah. It's kind of our money and our
[1:40:55] time. Yeah.
[1:40:56] >> I don't I don't see a really a liability
[1:40:58] on the city. Other than we're saying,
[1:40:59] "Yeah, you could do this." Unless there
[1:41:01] it does cause problems, which obviously
[1:41:03] we would have a require.
[1:41:04] >> Here's a potential issue. Okay. So, I
[1:41:07] get two yellow cans and I give up my two
[1:41:10] gray cans and they go away. And let's
[1:41:13] say that this becomes insolvent and I
[1:41:16] want my gray cans back. Well, guess
[1:41:18] what? I got to buy two new gray cans,
[1:41:21] right, Christie?
[1:41:22] >> Well, she left. That's
[1:41:24] >> Yeah, that's I mean I I would I would
[1:41:26] need to purchase those two great
[1:41:31] >> $65 as opposed to $120.
[1:41:34] [laughter]
[1:41:36] Yes. Yes. That would be that would be I guess on the people on
[1:41:39] the people who sign up. They would have
[1:41:40] to have that agreement to know in place
[1:41:42] like okay I understand
[1:41:44] >> and we could put that in our policies
[1:41:46] and procedures. So
[1:41:48] >> um yeah and that is something that but
[1:41:51] then yeah I guess it saves you the 120
[1:41:53] that you're paying. So
[1:41:58] » yeah that's another thing I was
[1:41:59] wondering. You should put it in your
[1:42:00] backyard so you have more trash in them.
[1:42:02] [laughter]
[1:42:03] >> Well, you're not supposed to put out
[1:42:04] three cans if you only have two,
[1:42:08] >> right?
[1:42:08] >> I'm not taking it down because we we
[1:42:11] charge for that or we get charged for
[1:42:12] that as a city that
[1:42:13] >> per
[1:42:19] I'd be okay with three with like a
[1:42:21] yearly review. Come back every year,
[1:42:24] report how it's going, how many
[1:42:27] subscribers you have.
[1:42:28] >> Okay. where the money's kind of gone in
[1:42:30] the community. Tell us some happy,
[1:42:32] successful stories about some of the
[1:42:33] kids, you know. So,
[1:42:34] >> yeah, I'd love that. Yeah, that's what
[1:42:37] we're hoping for. So,
[1:42:40] >> I I think you're really hoping for a
[1:42:42] city to sign this agreement. Yes.
[1:42:45] [laughter]
[1:42:45] >> And you take [clears throat] the lead on
[1:42:47] this so that you can tell other cities
[1:42:49] that, hey, Gransville City,
[1:42:51] >> yeah, it's been successful there. We've
[1:42:53] >> they've done this.
[1:42:54] >> Yeah. I mean, yeah, that is what we're
[1:42:56] hoping for to show success and that it
[1:42:58] works and that we can move to other
[1:43:00] cities that could use this.
[1:43:02] >> I'm just thinking from a staffing
[1:43:04] standpoint, you know, we talk about no
[1:43:06] cost incurred by the city. Trying to
[1:43:07] think of all of the scenarios. I'm
[1:43:10] assuming we'll get calls, hey, my
[1:43:11] neighbor has a yellow can, so we are
[1:43:14] going to have some city
[1:43:16] >> be sure you guys are delivering the cans
[1:43:18] to us and then we deliver the cans to
[1:43:19] the
[1:43:20] >> Yeah. So you because you'll be picking
[1:43:21] up the can anyway and that's what we
[1:43:23] talked about. But we do have volunteers
[1:43:25] and board members that have said like we
[1:43:27] could help
[1:43:28] >> 12 can replacements a week anyway for
[1:43:31] just like average usage for like my
[1:43:35] can's broken, my lid fell off or
[1:43:37] whatever. I'm just trying to see what
[1:43:39] impact this has on the city outside of
[1:43:41] what we've
[1:43:42] >> like if it's successful then we
[1:43:44] ultimately if everyone starts buying
[1:43:45] yellow cans and we won't have to pay
[1:43:47] that cost anymore for the city.
[1:43:50] >> That would be nice because it's very
[1:43:52] expensive. Otherwise, we continue to buy
[1:43:54] the cans and continue to our same
[1:43:55] program that we're going to do. Um the
[1:43:58] other thing is yeah, you're you're right
[1:43:59] that we're going to get a lot of calls.
[1:44:01] We already filled that and then the
[1:44:03] question is do we have to then redirect
[1:44:05] them to
[1:44:07] uh your
[1:44:07] >> Yeah, I think they would have to be
[1:44:09] directed to us portion of that and
[1:44:10] that's where we threw in an
[1:44:11] administrative fee plus the the park fee
[1:44:15] to go along with that to help cover
[1:44:16] those costs right there.
[1:44:21] » If the yellow can is broken, is that you
[1:44:23] then they would call and say, "Hey, my
[1:44:25] yellow can's broken."
[1:44:26] >> No, they'd call the city and they would
[1:44:27] ask for more cans. Yeah, but we have
[1:44:29] >> but they'll just drop off like
[1:44:30] >> Yeah, we'd have cans or parts take those
[1:44:32] place like we currently do.
[1:44:47] » There's no further questions or
[1:44:50] comments. I need a motion.
[1:44:55] I motion that we approve resolution
[1:44:57] 2026-53
[1:44:59] approving a pilot service agreement with
[1:45:01] a three-year agreement with review every
[1:45:04] year as we discussed with kids can for
[1:45:07] the kids can yellow cam program.
[1:45:09] >> We have a motion by council member
[1:45:11] Skinner. Is there a second?
[1:45:13] >> I'll second.
[1:45:14] >> A second by council member Dalton. All
[1:45:16] in favor?
[1:45:17] >> I.
[1:45:19] >> All right. Let's give this a go.
[1:45:21] >> Thank you.
[1:45:22] >> All right. Thank you.
[1:45:28] » We talk some more garbage. [laughter]
[1:45:32] >> It's the topic of the night.
[1:45:33] >> That's right. More garbage. Um, agenda
[1:45:35] item number 10, a discussion regarding
[1:45:37] the ACE bulk waste pickup.
[1:45:43] » Who's this?
[1:45:44] >> Oh, good. I was like,
[1:45:46] >> no. Uh we're wanted to have council's
[1:45:49] input on this because we have got a
[1:45:51] couple quotes on doing bulk pickup again
[1:45:54] and whether the council wants to do
[1:45:55] that. Um it ranges there's you can
[1:45:58] either do two times a year which ends up
[1:46:00] being uh close to like 12 to $15 per
[1:46:05] pickup or we can do it. So that' be
[1:46:07] twice a year.
[1:46:09] >> No hold on twice a year at a resident's
[1:46:11] home or like our pickup day that we do
[1:46:14] now with dumpster home. Not at this.
[1:46:16] is the bulk pickup we're talking
[1:46:18] about where we're going back to the old
[1:46:19] way we used to do it in Gratzville where
[1:46:21] you pick it up in front of your house.
[1:46:22] >> You throw out an old couch and it sits
[1:46:25] there for three or four weeks and then
[1:46:27] finally gets picked up.
[1:46:28] >> Correct. Well, hopefully not like that,
[1:46:30] but hopefully it's during their week
[1:46:31] that they have to be done and map it out
[1:46:33] and do all of that. Uh there was
[1:46:35] interest in uh bringing this forward. So
[1:46:38] that's what we want to see what the
[1:46:39] council's desire was.
[1:46:41] >> I got a lot of requests for that. So
[1:46:43] would this be on top of what we
[1:46:45] currently do, correct? Which is
[1:46:47] >> in the spring or we would either stop
[1:46:50] that because we wouldn't necessarily
[1:46:52] need to do that anymore
[1:46:54] >> or you could continue to do that and
[1:46:56] this as well. But this would be a pass
[1:46:58] through cost to the residents um because
[1:47:01] it's uh
[1:47:03] again doing the whole city uh depending
[1:47:05] on which route we take. If we do it the
[1:47:08] every month, that ends up being more
[1:47:10] like a
[1:47:12] three and a half to$5 cost per month per
[1:47:16] resident. So it ended up being more at
[1:47:19] the end of the year if you do it every
[1:47:22] month. So again, you're ranging from an
[1:47:25] additional $200,000 to like $400,000 for
[1:47:29] the cost of this program. And so that's
[1:47:31] the question is it would be a direct
[1:47:33] pass through to the residents. So if you
[1:47:35] as a resident wanted to have the bulk
[1:47:37] pickup, it would either be all or
[1:47:40] nothing. You couldn't like opt in to one
[1:47:42] or two residents to do it. It's either
[1:47:44] we do it for the whole city or we don't
[1:47:46] do it at all.
[1:47:48] >> So everybody gets charged.
[1:47:50] >> Yeah. Yes.
[1:47:52] >> Because we just increased all the fees
[1:47:53] and everything like that. That was kind
[1:47:55] of the question is whether we wanted to
[1:47:57] implement this at all.
[1:47:58] >> What do we pay each year to do the
[1:48:00] dumpsters twice a year? Anyone? It's She
[1:48:03] gave
[1:48:04] >> We had the numbers. I want to say it was
[1:48:06] like 8,000.
[1:48:07] >> Yeah, I think it's
[1:48:08] >> eight or 9,000 I believe is what I I'm
[1:48:10] going off of memory which is dangerous.
[1:48:12] >> Her dumpster and we rotate through.
[1:48:14] >> Yeah.
[1:48:14] >> Um
[1:48:16] I I'm trying to see the the reason for a
[1:48:18] need for this specifically when we have
[1:48:20] a landfill and if you have a trailer,
[1:48:22] you just throw it couch on a trailer and
[1:48:25] take it there.
[1:48:26] >> That's the problem.
[1:48:27] >> They do have
[1:48:27] >> ones that don't. Well,
[1:48:31] yeah, but is it the responsibility of
[1:48:33] every citizen to pay for the ones that
[1:48:35] don't? That's the question. And I guess,
[1:48:36] do you want us to put out a survey to
[1:48:39] the residents to get
[1:48:40] >> I think even wanted to approach that.
[1:48:45] >> Here's my problem. We we just we just
[1:48:49] debated for three months on a 5%
[1:48:53] property tax increase that amounted to
[1:48:55] on average a$127 a month.
[1:48:59] and and and here we are talking about
[1:49:01] adding another $3.50
[1:49:04] to every resident in Grantsville so that
[1:49:06] we can have a bulk waste pickup. I just
[1:49:10] I mean
[1:49:12] it's just another way to tax. I I'll
[1:49:14] just I'll just say it straight up and I get it. Um it it it does make our our yards and our homes cleaner,
[1:49:24] but I just I just don't know if I can
[1:49:26] get behind it. This is This is my
[1:49:28] thought. I don't think
[1:49:30] >> it is just another way to tax, right?
[1:49:32] >> And and we had a I mean,
[1:49:35] >> it's it's one thing to donate to a 501c3
[1:49:37] and and pay an extra $10 a month um or
[1:49:42] $120 a year, which is vastly more than
[1:49:46] the 5% that we were asking. So, but
[1:49:50] that's a voluntary donation. This is
[1:49:53] forced on everyone and it's an
[1:49:55] additional tax above and beyond
[1:49:57] >> the things that we've already had to
[1:50:00] increase and this is not necessarily
[1:50:01] something we have to do. So that's my
[1:50:04] thought.
[1:50:04] >> I agree with Rhett
[1:50:05] >> because it's all or nothing then people
[1:50:07] can't opt out of it and so if I do pay
[1:50:08] for the dump you know then I'm paying
[1:50:10] for both.
[1:50:11] >> I agree. I think the what we currently
[1:50:13] do is fantastic. Like I mean I know it's
[1:50:16] only
[1:50:17] >> and it's wellreceived. I know it's only
[1:50:19] twice, you know, well, it's is it twice?
[1:50:22] a year, which I actually think is
[1:50:26] >> and there's a cost associated with that
[1:50:28] and I know individuals take advantage of
[1:50:30] that for that opportunity. Does it mean they could have something
[1:50:34] in their yard longer or something that
[1:50:38] um
[1:50:40] I mean we we do want to keep Gransville
[1:50:43] beautiful and but I think that's an
[1:50:45] opportunity that we give the residents
[1:50:48] to
[1:50:50] allow for that. Um, and I I yeah, I
[1:50:53] don't I don't like the idea of of making
[1:50:56] it something across the board and
[1:50:57] forcing forcing the hand of someone to
[1:51:00] >> also that but
[1:51:01] >> to be part of something at the
[1:51:03] beginning. There's going to be couches
[1:51:04] sitting out for a month.
[1:51:06] >> I think that's why we got rid of it in
[1:51:07] the beginning
[1:51:09] >> was because of that. [laughter]
[1:51:11] >> There's couches sitting out on the
[1:51:13] sidewalk
[1:51:14] >> since we got rid of the program five
[1:51:16] years ago. They're still waiting.
[1:51:17] >> Well, they think the program's still in
[1:51:18] use. Oh, so
[1:51:20] >> they're just waiting for someone to
[1:51:21] [laughter] arrive here.
[1:51:21] >> You sure somebody's not sitting in that?
[1:51:24] >> They're not. There's no way.
[1:51:27] >> There we go.
[1:51:29] >> I thought that was perfect. No, I'm
[1:51:31] happy perspective staffwise. I mean, we
[1:51:34] just had a lot of request
[1:51:36] bring it to council.
[1:51:38] >> I think advertising when we do those two
[1:51:40] pickups, if they've got something
[1:51:42] specific for there, I think that's an
[1:51:43] opportunity to take advantage. I know
[1:51:45] people do um maybe some more information
[1:51:49] on landfill landfill costs. Landfill
[1:51:51] costs are significantly
[1:51:54] reduced. So
[1:51:56] >> for a vehicle you can
[1:51:59] >> I know household waste you can you can
[1:52:00] take a bit I Yeah,
[1:52:03] >> I don't see it.
[1:52:04] >> Okay,
[1:52:05] >> there we have it.
[1:52:10] Agenda item number 11, consideration of
[1:52:12] resolution 2026-52
[1:52:15] approving the Sunage Terrace master
[1:52:17] development agreement and master lot
[1:52:19] layout for phases 3 through six located
[1:52:22] at approximately 1161 West Main Street
[1:52:25] in the R121 residential district.
[1:52:30] >> Uh please bear with me because my laptop
[1:52:32] is down and so now I'm just using my
[1:52:35] phone.
[1:52:36] Um this is a master development
[1:52:39] agreement for Sunage Terrace. Um
[1:52:41] including the lot layouts for phases 3
[1:52:44] through six. Um in the lot layout um
[1:52:49] you'll see that phases a portion of
[1:52:53] phase four and five do have smaller lots
[1:52:57] than the R121 or the 21,780
[1:53:00] square ft that is required.
[1:53:04] Um the reason why those lots are
[1:53:06] smaller, you can keep going. It's ways
[1:53:09] down there. Um is because we have asked
[1:53:12] for the dedication of the half width of
[1:53:15] Main Street, which is an arterial road
[1:53:17] of 108 ft and the dedication of the
[1:53:21] collector on the west side which is 90
[1:53:24] ft.
[1:53:28] So here is your 90 foot. Um, and they
[1:53:31] are dedicating the full width of the 90
[1:53:33] foot and then the half width, which is
[1:53:35] right around like 54 feet of Main
[1:53:37] Street. Um, you know, you're going to
[1:53:39] ask, well, why did Main Street shrink
[1:53:41] here and then it's wider down here?
[1:53:45] Um, in our master transportation plan,
[1:53:48] it didn't show Main Street as an
[1:53:49] arterial, but our current master
[1:53:51] transportation does. It was just
[1:53:55] didn't continue passing with. So rest of
[1:53:58] these roads are at 66 ft. Um all these
[1:54:01] lots down here we once we get about up
[1:54:04] here we're at 20,000 square ft. There's
[1:54:06] a child at 21,780.
[1:54:11] » Do you know that
[1:54:13] background is a point?
[1:54:16] >> Yeah, but it doesn't work.
[1:54:17] >> It's been it's been what maybe three and a half months since you came
[1:54:22] and and talked with us and proposed this
[1:54:25] and I think we We talked about
[1:54:27] extensively we didn't have the MDA in
[1:54:30] place, but we talked about the smaller
[1:54:32] lots and and giving up that that right
[1:54:35] of way so that we didn't in the future
[1:54:38] encroach on the land of the uh the
[1:54:42] residents on Taylor Road to the to the
[1:54:45] west. And I I I think at the time, if I
[1:54:48] remember right, we all kind of agreed
[1:54:50] that we thought with the minimal amount
[1:54:52] of of square footage that was lacking on
[1:54:56] the halfacre lots and considering the
[1:54:59] efforts on on the developers, I I I
[1:55:01] thought we gave him direction to proceed
[1:55:04] in this manner and to come back with us
[1:55:06] once we had a an MV in place. So,
[1:55:10] >> correct.
[1:55:11] >> That's that's what I recollect
[1:55:13] with all this.
[1:55:20] And that was the variance that he
[1:55:21] requested.
[1:55:22] >> Correct.
[1:55:24] >> Thank you, R.
[1:55:30] And this did come with a recommendation
[1:55:34] from um planning commission.
[1:55:39] I believe this one was all three um
[1:55:42] voted for approval or voted yes. Um
[1:55:46] Derek was there for that. Um and uh
[1:55:49] there was only three at the meeting.
[1:55:55] » Shelby, remind me what the road is at
[1:55:57] the far end of the subdivision. Like the
[1:56:00] road that they're dedicating. What What
[1:56:01] is that? Is that
[1:56:03] >> So that is a collector road on the west
[1:56:06] side which will um connect into
[1:56:08] Highlands Boulevard.
[1:56:10] >> So we don't have a name for
[1:56:12] >> Highlands Boulevard.
[1:56:13] Okay.
[1:56:14] >> But it but it really in the master
[1:56:16] transportation plan it's the road that
[1:56:18] connects Green all the way around
[1:56:19] the town, right?
[1:56:20] >> No. I mean it will connect into but
[1:56:22] that's not the road.
[1:56:23] >> Okay.
[1:56:24] >> Yeah.
[1:56:24] >> That was the one that circled around and
[1:56:26] connected N Green.
[1:56:27] >> No, it'll green will go out. This is
[1:56:29] further
[1:56:31] >> east than where N green will be. Yes.
[1:56:33] Okay.
[1:56:39] » But the roads that are there that would
[1:56:43] continue west um sorry I don't know how
[1:56:46] exactly to describe that they would be
[1:56:48] able to reach the collector road
[1:56:51] that would loop around
[1:56:53] >> potentially depending on how everything
[1:56:56] built out. Right. So you have Clark
[1:56:58] Street on the north side um that is
[1:57:01] stubbed out. So if people on Taylor Road
[1:57:04] developed out that could potentially
[1:57:06] continue um and then there was an Main
[1:57:09] Street will obviously continue through
[1:57:11] that doesn't affect Taylor Road. So
[1:57:14] >> and then that main street would get to
[1:57:16] the
[1:57:17] >> Yes.
[1:57:17] >> Further west. Yep. Highlands Boulevard
[1:57:20] and Main Street will both have a
[1:57:21] connection to Okay.
[1:57:29] See where is it? [clears throat]
[1:57:36] This is
[1:57:40] I'm just looking at the U dot um
[1:57:43] connectivity study that we have for Tula
[1:57:45] County that I just have saved on my my
[1:57:48] laptop.
[1:57:50] >> No.
[1:57:50] >> So you're right. This is the road that
[1:57:52] connects into N green and it kind of
[1:57:55] circles around this way and then night
[1:57:57] green kind of circles around.
[1:57:59] >> Yep. Correct.
[1:58:01] >> To build.
[1:58:07] » It would just be on our master
[1:58:08] transportation plan.
[1:58:10] >> You're fine.
[1:58:16] This is actually the road that connects
[1:58:18] along the depo fence road and all the
[1:58:20] way to sheep plane, right?
[1:58:23] >> This this particular
[1:58:25] >> No, we're Taylor.
[1:58:27] >> No.
[1:58:28] >> Okay.
[1:58:30] >> No, this is up on by Matt Canyon Road.
[1:58:33] So, this won't be near
[1:58:35] >> the depot road.
[1:58:36] >> I understand that. But the connectivity
[1:58:38] plan shows a road that's in that in that
[1:58:42] vicinity in that area that connects with
[1:58:44] Main Street and then moves all the way
[1:58:47] along the depo fence road and all the
[1:58:49] way up button.
[1:58:50] >> Correct.
[1:58:51] >> That's just what that's just what it
[1:58:52] shows here.
[1:58:57] » Do you know if in the planning
[1:58:59] commission if there was any concern
[1:59:00] regarding the lot size specifically? Um
[1:59:03] there was discussion of why are we not
[1:59:07] keeping the lot sizes to meet the um the
[1:59:10] code. Um and it came down to well you
[1:59:13] know we're getting a full dedication
[1:59:15] width of the collector road that is
[1:59:17] being built out and then the half width
[1:59:19] of Main Street when these two roads
[1:59:21] don't are not required by his
[1:59:24] development.
[1:59:26] And if Derek has anything to add. No,
[1:59:28] that's is there just kind of tell us if we just went by the the lot sizes
[1:59:35] that needed, what would those road
[1:59:36] widths be for those those roads? What's
[1:59:38] the max we could we can make the
[1:59:40] developer do just so we know what
[1:59:42] >> so the trade-off is
[1:59:43] >> a 66t rideway with 32 ft of asphalt is
[1:59:46] the max that we could require for this
[1:59:48] development.
[1:59:51] So, we're gaining, you know, 30 feet on
[1:59:54] the west and then um just shy of 66 feet
[1:59:59] on the south
[2:00:09] times hundreds of feet.
[2:00:11] >> Yeah. Thousands.
[2:00:12] >> Yeah. On one end. Yeah.
[2:00:14] >> Thousand plus feet, I'm sure.
[2:00:19] And I I I know we've hit on this before,
[2:00:22] but the open space is
[2:00:25] >> HOA maintained.
[2:00:26] >> Okay.
[2:00:29] Those will likely probably be
[2:00:32] natural gravity depressions that are in
[2:00:35] those areas probably. Is there a canal
[2:00:37] that kind of go runs? Is that
[2:00:39] >> So there is a drainage ditch um that
[2:00:42] runs down there. They'll have a walking
[2:00:43] trail and you know like some tot lots by
[2:00:45] it and it'll walk through. So right now
[2:00:48] we are just um reviewing the final plan
[2:00:51] for phase three as that one was already
[2:00:53] um in progress meets the code um but
[2:00:57] will require a landscape plan and
[2:00:59] amenities.
[2:01:35] I know the MDA is just a draft, but it
[2:01:37] does have Mayor Crit signing it and
[2:01:39] that'll all be updated correctly.
[2:01:42] >> Correct. Yes.
[2:01:57] I think it's what we agreed to. I don't
[2:01:59] have any other questions.
[2:02:03] >> All right. If there's no other
[2:02:04] discussion, I need someone to make a
[2:02:06] motion.
[2:02:08] Mayor, I'll make a motion we approve
[2:02:10] resolution 2026-52
[2:02:12] approving Sun Sunage Terrace Master
[2:02:15] Development Agreement and master lot
[2:02:17] layout for phases 3 through 6 located
[2:02:19] approximately 1161 West Main Street in
[2:02:22] the R1-1-21
[2:02:25] resident residential district.
[2:02:27] >> We have a motion by council member
[2:02:28] Dalton. Is there a second?
[2:02:30] >> Second.
[2:02:30] by council member Butler. All in
[2:02:32] favor? I
[2:02:35] >> All right.
[2:02:40] Moving on to item number 12,
[2:02:43] consideration of resolution 2026-51
[2:02:46] approving a hold harmless and easement
[2:02:48] acknowledgement agreement for property
[2:02:51] located at 641 South Maxwell Drive.
[2:02:56] >> Yeah, this came from um planning
[2:02:58] commission. Um
[2:03:01] and now we are here at city council to
[2:03:04] determine if um [clears throat]
[2:03:06] city council will make a consideration
[2:03:08] for a hold harmless agreement. Um in
[2:03:11] 2025 the building department identified
[2:03:14] a detached metal garage on lot 602 at
[2:03:18] Wells Crossing subdivision. I personally
[2:03:20] went out there and took pictures um and
[2:03:24] didn't see any disturbance to the
[2:03:27] retention basin itself. It is built on
[2:03:30] easements. Um, this was built without
[2:03:34] building permits or a site plan. Um, and
[2:03:37] that's what's bringing us here today. We
[2:03:39] worked with the homeowner to get a
[2:03:41] engineer to um, you know, go out and
[2:03:44] determine that it's not affecting the
[2:03:46] freeboard or the pond storage um, of
[2:03:49] that of the property. So, it's not built
[2:03:51] in the basin itself. It's just built on
[2:03:53] the easement. Um, and then it's built
[2:03:56] on, I believe, the rear, um, the
[2:03:59] southern or eastern easement, which is
[2:04:02] the rear of their property. Um, and if
[2:04:05] you scroll down, you can see
[2:04:07] some pictures that we've So, here's a
[2:04:10] site plan. If you'll scroll up just a
[2:04:12] little bit.
[2:04:13] >> Sorry, it pops.
[2:04:15] >> So, [clears throat] um, in the blue is
[2:04:17] the actual basin itself, and then
[2:04:19] highlighted in the green is the
[2:04:20] easement. Um, and then there is the
[2:04:23] approximate location of the shed. And
[2:04:27] then if you want to keep scrolling down,
[2:04:33] so you can see the
[2:04:35] >> I swear
[2:04:36] >> basin there itself. Um, it's not
[2:04:40] affecting it to the point that they have
[2:04:42] enough room to be able to park their
[2:04:43] trailer there. And if you want to
[2:04:46] So again, they're they're not affecting
[2:04:48] the basin itself. If you want to keep
[2:04:51] going, keep going.
[2:04:54] So, it's inleting and outleting
[2:04:57] um as designed and is holding the same
[2:05:00] pond volume as designed. Keep going.
[2:05:06] You just scroll through these.
[2:05:09] Um this is the picture of when it was
[2:05:12] constructed by the developer or the home
[2:05:16] builder. You scroll down just a little
[2:05:17] bit more. There you go.
[2:05:27] So
[2:05:29] then we do have the PDF from their
[2:05:32] engineer.
[2:05:38] » When was this home constructed?
[2:05:45] » Sorry, I
[2:05:46] >> sorry question. I don't have [laughter]
[2:05:49] my laptop.
[2:05:50] >> What's the address again? Sure.
[2:05:52] >> Um [snorts]
[2:05:56] » 641 South Maxwell Drive.
[2:05:58] >> Thank you.
[2:05:59] >> Thanks.
[2:06:04] » So the retention basin is is it is it
[2:06:07] just for the property?
[2:06:09] >> Yes.
[2:06:13] » 2024.
[2:06:27] and they sit in an R121 zone or is this
[2:06:29] a is this an acre?
[2:06:32] >> Um, so it's an R121 zone, but with Wells
[2:06:36] Crossing in their development agreement,
[2:06:37] they are allowed smaller lots.
[2:06:39] >> This is a 0.5.
[2:06:41] >> Yeah.
[2:06:41] Okay.
[2:06:51] How far are they encroaching on the
[2:06:52] easement? It looks like
[2:06:55] >> Well, you go back to that other picture.
[2:06:57] There you go. Yeah. And zoom in to the
[2:06:59] top.
[2:07:01] >> Okay.
[2:07:03] Two feet on the
[2:07:06] right side, which
[2:07:08] is the west side maybe. South side
[2:07:11] maybe.
[2:07:12] >> Yeah. So,
[2:07:13] >> and then five feet on the
[2:07:16] other side,
[2:07:19] >> but it's not affecting in any way the
[2:07:21] volume that the pond can
[2:07:23] >> no
[2:07:23] >> can hold. And they had an they had an
[2:07:26] engineer actually go out and um give us
[2:07:28] a document and then we had Barry, the
[2:07:30] city engineer, review that and determine
[2:07:32] that it was not affecting the volume.
[2:07:38] » So, isn't this is a good thing, right?
[2:07:40] The whole harmless protects the city.
[2:07:43] Correct.
[2:07:44] >> Yes.
[2:07:46] >> And it looks like the homeowner's done
[2:07:48] everything we've asked him to do.
[2:07:50] >> Correct.
[2:07:51] >> Other than pull a permit.
[2:07:53] >> Oh, wow.
[2:07:53] >> Other than what did you say?
[2:07:55] >> Pull a permit to build the building.
[2:07:56] >> Oh, yeah. In the first place.
[2:08:00] Well, it also says right now he's not
[2:08:02] encroaching, but if something happens
[2:08:04] like we reserve the right to go back in,
[2:08:05] this that's what it says in here.
[2:08:08] >> Tyson,
[2:08:09] >> at least that's what I read. if it does
[2:08:11] eventually somehow.
[2:08:12] >> So the with respect to the uh public
[2:08:16] utility ements um if if there is a need
[2:08:20] to go in and and move something then those public utilities will will do
[2:08:24] that um of of which Grantsville City is
[2:08:27] one of the public utilities.
[2:08:30] So that'll be at the at the homeowners
[2:08:33] expense.
[2:08:41] These whole harmless agreements are
[2:08:44] helpful in these circumstances because
[2:08:46] it does protect the city. It puts leaf
[2:08:49] um the onus on the um the encroacher
[2:08:54] um in into the drainage area. This one
[2:08:56] is a lowrisk encroachment uh based on
[2:09:00] the engineering reports that have said
[2:09:02] that you know this is not into the the
[2:09:05] retention area. sort of up on the bank
[2:09:07] of the of the of the area. Um, but as as
[2:09:12] far as like a city policy for this type
[2:09:14] of thing, um, the hold harmless
[2:09:16] agreement protects a city if there were
[2:09:18] to be a more substantial encroachment
[2:09:20] that um, doesn't necessarily mean we
[2:09:22] would always allow that. if with the
[2:09:24] hold harmless agreement, but if we if it
[2:09:26] is a circumstance where we will allow
[2:09:28] it, the hold harmless agreement could
[2:09:29] accompany that approval um just for
[2:09:32] further protection for the city if
[2:09:35] somehow those water flows changed and um
[2:09:38] there was some damage to a neighboring
[2:09:40] property because of it.
[2:09:44] » Do we know if the old builder built this
[2:09:47] himself or did they have a builder do
[2:09:49] it? Do we know?
[2:09:50] >> I'm not sure. I mean looking at it, it
[2:09:52] was pretty nicely built because
[2:09:55] >> I just know from when I was on planning
[2:09:57] commission, we got quite a few of these
[2:09:59] like once every other meeting or so, you
[2:10:02] know. So I'm just trying to think like
[2:10:03] and it goes back to Mcichael like how do
[2:10:06] we educate it so then these don't come
[2:10:08] in front of us all the time like
[2:10:09] >> I thought it was you
[2:10:11] >> we send a mass email to the builders or
[2:10:13] what I mean [snorts] just how do we
[2:10:16] prevent this this from happening?
[2:10:20] That's no different than the curb cut we
[2:10:21] got a few weeks ago.
[2:10:23] >> That's what I said on McMichel. Yeah.
[2:10:26] Shouldn't have done that.
[2:10:32] I'll try to read.
[2:10:35] Thanks.
[2:10:38] Mayor, I make a motion to approve
[2:10:39] resolution 2026-51
[2:10:42] approving the hold armless and easement
[2:10:45] acknowledgement agreement for property
[2:10:47] located 641 South Maxwell Drive.
[2:10:49] >> All right, we have a motion by Council
[2:10:51] Member Butler. Is there a second?
[2:10:52] >> I'll second it.
[2:10:53] >> Second by Council Member Williams. All
[2:10:55] in favor?
[2:10:58] >> Okay.
[2:11:01] Item number 13, consideration of
[2:11:03] resolution 2026-55
[2:11:05] approving the Falcon's Landing Master
[2:11:07] Development Agreement for property
[2:11:09] located approximately at Booth Street
[2:11:11] and Wild Rose Drive.
[2:11:15] Keep going.
[2:11:18] Um, so staff brought this to planning
[2:11:21] commission right there. Click on that
[2:11:22] one. um earlier this year to discuss the
[2:11:26] extension of Wild Rose Drive and um I am
[2:11:31] just showing you the initial plat that
[2:11:33] was approved and you'll see lots like
[2:11:36] 11A and 11B and any lot that is named
[2:11:40] you know A and B are actually an
[2:11:42] attached um duplex and so they're I
[2:11:45] believe it's ends up being 29 units that
[2:11:48] could be placed on here. Um you can see
[2:11:50] the lots are right around 6,700 square
[2:11:52] ft² um with these attached units
[2:11:58] and then if you scroll click on your
[2:12:02] little side.
[2:12:04] >> So together they're like close to 13,000
[2:12:06] ft.
[2:12:08] >> Correct. So, initially they were 12,000
[2:12:10] ft², but because R112 allows for um
[2:12:14] attached duplexes, then in our code it
[2:12:18] says, you know, you have to add an
[2:12:19] additional,000 square ft and then you
[2:12:22] can cut that lot in half, which reduces
[2:12:23] it down to 6,000 ft and then you have a
[2:12:26] zero lot line where those homes are
[2:12:28] attached. You click on that plat.
[2:12:31] >> Yep.
[2:12:32] And so,
[2:12:34] um, what was done here is Wild Rose is
[2:12:37] now extended through so it can continue
[2:12:40] instead of deadending at Booth Street.
[2:12:42] And we have turned those lots, the 11A
[2:12:45] and the 11B or the A and B lots into
[2:12:48] single family detached homes. So you can
[2:12:50] see like lot 11 and 12 are 7,000 ft²
[2:12:53] versus the 6,700
[2:12:55] square ft they initially were with
[2:12:58] attached single family homes versus
[2:13:00] detached single family homes. Um now to
[2:13:04] address the setbacks, yes, this um
[2:13:07] development was vested with 7 and 1/2
[2:13:10] sideyard setbacks because our code used
[2:13:13] to say 7 1/25,
[2:13:15] but because it was ambiguous,
[2:13:19] that meant we had to um go in favor of
[2:13:21] the applicant. And so they were able to
[2:13:24] get the 7 and 1/2 and 7 and 1/2 on each
[2:13:26] side,
[2:13:28] >> which we've remedied and fixed, correct,
[2:13:30] in the past year.
[2:13:31] >> Yes. Now it is 7 and 12 on one side and
[2:13:34] 15 half on the other side.
[2:13:36] >> One way or the other.
[2:13:44] » Shelby, there's a lot of questions on
[2:13:46] this retention basin.
[2:13:48] >> Yes.
[2:13:49] >> Can you We had questions on depth on
[2:13:52] where the fence is going. Can you
[2:13:55] address all that?
[2:13:56] >> Correct. So the fence would obviously be
[2:13:58] on the property line. So it would go
[2:14:01] from lot 16 around to lot 9 down to lot
[2:14:06] six. Um so north down to the west side
[2:14:10] and then it would go around lot 5 all
[2:14:12] the way to lot one. Um because of like
[2:14:15] sight triangle issues and things like
[2:14:17] that. Lot 28 and 17 wouldn't have one
[2:14:19] because they do have a double front yard
[2:14:22] and so there would be issues with those
[2:14:24] two intersections.
[2:14:28] Um, I did a little bit of research while
[2:14:31] we were waiting. Sorry, I've got to use
[2:14:33] my phone. So, the basin or the retention
[2:14:38] um basin above lots 16 through 9 is 4T
[2:14:43] deep
[2:14:45] in total and 30 ft wide. Okay.
[2:14:48] >> And is it part of the lot so the
[2:14:51] homeowner takes control of it or is it a
[2:14:54] separate retention basis? No, it's part
[2:14:56] of the lot. So, you'll see um lots 17,
[2:15:00] 28, 24, 21, the middle section has um
[2:15:05] lot retention basins and then the
[2:15:08] northern lots will have their own
[2:15:09] retention basins as well. So, initially
[2:15:12] um lots 9 and 10 were combined and there
[2:15:15] was just one large retention basin
[2:15:17] approximately where lot 10 is,
[2:15:19] >> right? And so we've
[2:15:22] instead of having one giant deep hole,
[2:15:24] we've reduced how deep it is so it can
[2:15:27] still be utilized and placed it on the
[2:15:29] back of the lots.
[2:15:30] >> So let me ask you a question. I mean it
[2:15:32] doesn't look like what what are the
[2:15:34] required setbacks for these homes from
[2:15:38] the the front yard setbacks. What what
[2:15:40] for for this particular zoning?
[2:15:43] >> Will you pull to the side?
[2:15:45] >> Sorry, which one?
[2:15:45] >> Will you pan to the just to the side?
[2:15:49] Just
[2:15:50] >> Yep.
[2:15:51] >> You just X out of pages up there.
[2:15:54] >> Whoops.
[2:15:56] >> Love Adobe.
[2:16:00] » Guys, I swear I know how to work the
[2:16:02] computer.
[2:16:03] >> Okay. Yeah. So, they have the front yard
[2:16:06] setbacks at 25 ft. The 30foot triangle
[2:16:10] shall remain. And then, um, in the rear
[2:16:13] yard, we've actually extended the rear
[2:16:15] yard on those northern lots. um and the
[2:16:18] middle lots because we didn't want them
[2:16:22] what it ends up doing is putting them
[2:16:23] right on that 33 feet um
[2:16:27] >> setback line and so we actually had them
[2:16:29] come in an additional 5T and have shrunk
[2:16:31] that up um so that they can't build
[2:16:34] right on top of the
[2:16:36] >> bas
[2:16:38] >> or else we're going to have them sign a
[2:16:39] hold harmless
[2:16:41] >> correct
[2:16:42] >> agreement the entire NDA
[2:16:45] >> correct
[2:16:47] because I I just I'm struggling with the
[2:16:50] fact that
[2:16:51] >> we're going to have a 25 foot setback
[2:16:52] and I mean lot 16 says 46 feet
[2:16:58] 005. So 46 feet plus we have the the
[2:17:01] curve there. So I'm assuming it's 50 ft.
[2:17:04] So really the depth of the home is only
[2:17:05] going to be 20t deep.
[2:17:06] >> So it's actually 94 feet um in length
[2:17:11] in total length.
[2:17:12] >> In total length. Yes.
[2:17:14] >> Correct. But where's the home going to
[2:17:16] sit there? It's going to sit 25 ft back,
[2:17:19] right?
[2:17:19] >> Yep.
[2:17:20] >> And then the depth of the home can't be
[2:17:23] any further than the line of the
[2:17:25] retention basin. You said 5t
[2:17:27] >> to the side.
[2:17:28] >> So, how how deep is this house going to
[2:17:30] be on lot 16?
[2:17:32] >> It'll be They'll be skinnier homes, but
[2:17:34] they can only be a max of um 35 feet
[2:17:37] tall per our code.
[2:17:39] >> Yeah. Oh, that's
[2:17:42] so I think to answer your question,
[2:17:44] you're looking at a 95 foot deep lot.
[2:17:48] You subtract out 25 ft for the frontage,
[2:17:52] front setback, which is 70, and then 40
[2:17:54] for the back. So, that leaves you 30
[2:17:56] feet.
[2:17:56] >> Yeah. 34T
[2:17:58] >> depth for the home.
[2:18:00] So, if you want an affordable home, this
[2:18:02] may be the place
[2:18:04] because you're going to be constrained
[2:18:06] by the lot dimensions and the retention
[2:18:10] pond about how big of a home you can
[2:18:11] build,
[2:18:14] but you're also looking at
[2:18:17] is that 80 feet wide?
[2:18:20] >> Yes.
[2:18:21] >> So, that's about a 2,000 square
[2:18:23] footprint. It's just an odd
[2:18:25] configuration,
[2:18:27] right?
[2:18:28] >> It's long and narrow. long and narrow.
[2:18:31] >> Well, for 16, if you go to lot 14 or 15
[2:18:34] or the others, they're it's
[2:18:38] >> Yeah. So, you're only looking at like 60
[2:18:39] ft on those lots. So, it's 30 ft by 60,
[2:18:43] which is 1,800 square feet
[2:18:47] >> on per level. And then you've got a
[2:18:49] garage that you subtract out a garage
[2:18:51] and then but you can go down in a
[2:18:52] basement and up to a second floor, which
[2:18:55] would be a substantial sized home.
[2:18:58] Well, the other thing is um they're
[2:19:01] going to have to understand or we're
[2:19:04] going to be back to the previous
[2:19:05] discussion item is that nothing can be
[2:19:07] built in that retention basin. So,
[2:19:12] they're going to have very limited
[2:19:14] access to use their available acreage.
[2:19:18] >> Correct.
[2:19:19] for for 20 years. I had this in my
[2:19:21] backyard and we just had a
[2:19:24] >> we built a five four foot rock wall and
[2:19:26] then we grass the retention basin. So we
[2:19:30] had it there. So we had grass in our
[2:19:32] trampoline and we do a back flip off the
[2:19:36] rocks onto the onto the [laughter]
[2:19:40] >> when it's watery.
[2:19:42] >> But I maintained that. I mean I mowed
[2:19:44] that. I looked nice. It was [snorts]
[2:19:47] >> That's Chuck Williams.
[2:19:48] >> Yeah, it could be it can be known really
[2:19:50] nice. I I want to say though,
[2:19:52] >> um we have changed the ordinance to not
[2:19:55] allow for this kind of thing anymore.
[2:19:56] You have to have if you're going to have
[2:19:58] a detention pond, it can't be in
[2:20:00] people's backyards like this anymore. Or
[2:20:03] those little weird triangles in there
[2:20:04] and put a retention pond in there and
[2:20:06] you get a major water event. You're
[2:20:08] going to have
[2:20:08] >> it's a big swimming pool and where it
[2:20:10] crosses
[2:20:12] >> lot lines there. That's the real problem
[2:20:14] is
[2:20:15] >> right,
[2:20:15] >> you know, lot 15 may decide let's fill
[2:20:17] this sucker in and then lot 16 gets
[2:20:20] backed up and has the water has nowhere
[2:20:22] to go.
[2:20:23] >> So, uh that's problematic. And there's a whole host of problems
[2:20:27] associated with having these backyard
[2:20:29] retention ponds. Um, like many things
[2:20:31] associated with this plat, we're not
[2:20:34] doing them anymore. Um, but we're just
[2:20:37] trying to get through this the best we
[2:20:39] can. This feels like a good solution.
[2:20:41] >> And and and why we're saying this is
[2:20:43] because it's grandfathered in. Is that why
[2:20:46] >> it is? Yes.
[2:20:47] >> They had an application before the
[2:20:49] ordinances were changed.
[2:20:50] >> The the correct term the correct legal
[2:20:52] term is vested. They're vested under the
[2:20:54] previous ordinances.
[2:20:57] » There was a term grandfathered in.
[2:20:59] >> Yeah.
[2:21:00] >> Earlier public health.
[2:21:02] >> So just for Mr. Boyer's sake, planning
[2:21:06] and zoning recommended a a six foot
[2:21:09] white vinyl fence around this project.
[2:21:12] >> Correct.
[2:21:12] >> That white vinyl fence is going down the
[2:21:15] property line down right there down Mr.
[2:21:19] Boyer's property.
[2:21:20] >> Correct. So if you drag down Alicia
[2:21:24] >> other way
[2:21:25] >> that's up
[2:21:27] >> it'll come right along this property
[2:21:28] line so it will be on boyers it'll be on
[2:21:30] this property dripping right along that
[2:21:32] black line
[2:21:35] >> it is a requirement by state that the
[2:21:38] water gathered on this property stays on
[2:21:40] this property it cannot
[2:21:41] >> or or discharge into an approved
[2:21:43] drainage system
[2:21:44] >> correct cannot push to berser
[2:21:46] >> but there isn't any discharged approved
[2:21:48] drainage system anywhere near here
[2:21:51] >> or anywhere else in town really. There
[2:21:53] are some places I guess, but this this
[2:21:54] would definitely And so we do on-site
[2:21:57] retention. There's a difference between
[2:21:58] the retention and detention.
[2:22:00] >> And the detention is a pass through and
[2:22:02] the retention is hold it on site and let
[2:22:04] it go into the ground.
[2:22:06] >> And that's what this is. The water is
[2:22:08] not supposed to drain anywhere
[2:22:10] >> anywhere else. Now, it will, but what
[2:22:12] happens is it goes into the ground, it
[2:22:13] becomes ground water, and it resurfaces
[2:22:16] over at Shelby's house. [laughter]
[2:22:20] Hopefully it would resurface towards the
[2:22:21] Salt Lake more. So
[2:22:23] >> yeah. Well, [clears throat]
[2:22:24] I I use Shel's house because I'm just
[2:22:26] joking picking Shelby a little bit, but
[2:22:28] >> we drink it.
[2:22:29] >> Yeah, you do drink it.
[2:22:32] >> So
[2:22:32] >> later.
[2:22:33] >> Shelby, is our plan for Wild Rose to
[2:22:36] just go to a race street and stop or is
[2:22:39] that was that on the plan to go
[2:22:41] >> further? cuz I'm looking at homes here
[2:22:43] and it's got to do a lot of jotting
[2:22:45] around some stuff unless
[2:22:47] >> correct. So we would like to get it at
[2:22:50] minimum to race street but there is
[2:22:52] potential um to um connect it into North
[2:22:56] Street that would require um city
[2:22:59] purchasing you know land and homes but
[2:23:02] again that is the long future and it's
[2:23:05] not going to happen tomorrow.
[2:23:07] And then my other question that was
[2:23:09] brought up at planning commission 2 was
[2:23:11] they are asking for uh the open space
[2:23:14] third fee and loo waved.
[2:23:16] >> Yes.
[2:23:17] >> Um just so everyone that wasn't there
[2:23:20] how much was that and what's the
[2:23:22] reasoning? I know it was brought up
[2:23:23] planning commission but just kind of to
[2:23:25] let everybody know what what why they
[2:23:29] want that and why we think that we
[2:23:30] should approve that.
[2:23:31] >> Correct. So, um I don't have the
[2:23:34] appraisal amount cuz that's not that
[2:23:36] doesn't come now. Um I should have
[2:23:38] obtained that. But if I had to
[2:23:40] anticipate or guess um I would guess
[2:23:43] right around $5 to $8,000 um would be
[2:23:46] the fee in L that would be given to the
[2:23:48] city. The issue is is that needs to be
[2:23:50] used within one mile. And I mean there
[2:23:54] might be one park that it could be used
[2:23:56] towards. One property that is within a
[2:23:59] mile of that is right by Soulberg's
[2:24:03] if we were to ever use that for
[2:24:04] anything.
[2:24:05] >> What about the rodeo grounds?
[2:24:09] >> It's not considered a park.
[2:24:11] >> What about the
[2:24:12] >> I'm thinking of the pirate one. The
[2:24:14] >> Bevans
[2:24:16] park off No, it's probably too far away.
[2:24:18] >> The park
[2:24:19] >> is the Scott Beavenon Park too far. Uh,
[2:24:22] I think it will I think um Beavenons is
[2:24:24] >> that's the one I was thinking of
[2:24:26] >> is close.
[2:24:34] » So this agreement though says the
[2:24:36] product project shall contain no less
[2:24:39] than 20%
[2:24:41] open space. So where where have we
[2:24:44] amended that to remove the open space
[2:24:47] >> G1 in the development agreement?
[2:24:57] Let me go back.
[2:25:09] In the back of the development
[2:25:11] agreement, it does state
[2:25:14] uh the waiver of the open space.
[2:25:22] Yeah. On exhibit G, which is page 22.
[2:25:28] So, it talks about the fence. Um, and
[2:25:31] then number six is the waiver of the
[2:25:35] field.
[2:25:38] >> And just so we know that Scott Beaven
[2:25:40] Memorial Park is it's6 miles away from
[2:25:43] this property.
[2:25:44] >> Thank you. I was trying to measure on my
[2:25:46] phone.
[2:25:46] >> Yeah. change. Definitely things we can
[2:25:49] do there.
[2:25:49] >> There's a lot of things we could do
[2:25:50] there.
[2:25:52] >> I think we Well,
[2:25:54] >> yeah.
[2:25:56] [clears throat]
[2:25:59] » Is the developer here tonight?
[2:26:01] >> He was notified to say link.
[2:26:04] >> Who's the developer?
[2:26:05] >> Just curious.
[2:26:07] >> Who is it?
[2:26:15] The Andy.
[2:26:20] He's on.
[2:26:26] » Andy, can you hear us?
[2:26:51] So, we're waiting for that. So, um,
[2:26:54] citizen, uh, Mr. Wayne Boyer got up. He
[2:26:56] talked about the retention basin. I
[2:26:58] think we understand what that looks like
[2:26:59] and the depth of it. I think we
[2:27:01] understand that the privacy fence six
[2:27:04] feet along the property line um, going
[2:27:07] along there. I mean, he has a livestock
[2:27:09] was his concern. and how will it affect
[2:27:12] his livestock? Um, I think a thought of
[2:27:15] his is maybe the depth of the retention
[2:27:17] basin might harm his livestock, but if
[2:27:20] the fence is in place,
[2:27:22] um, then and I guess
[2:27:26] I mean constructibility and when's the
[2:27:28] timing of the fence and and the timing
[2:27:30] of the the digging of the depth of the
[2:27:32] retention basin and how that all happens
[2:27:35] to be able to protect potentially the the neighboring um, the neighboring
[2:27:42] property owner.
[2:27:43] and his livestock. I mean, I I don't
[2:27:46] know. Maybe we could give some direction
[2:27:48] there.
[2:27:49] >> Yeah. I don't know if the six foot vinyl
[2:27:51] fence is necessarily an appropriate
[2:27:55] um
[2:27:55] >> deterrent for cows. I just think
[2:27:59] [laughter]
[2:28:00] >> maybe they're going to be a little more
[2:28:02] destructive.
[2:28:03] >> Well,
[2:28:05] but
[2:28:06] >> so there's probably a bob wire fence
[2:28:09] property,
[2:28:10] >> right? So just put this home wanted to
[2:28:13] rip out the bob wire fence and replace
[2:28:16] it with a white vinyl or does the bob
[2:28:18] wire fence stay and the white vinyl go
[2:28:21] against the wall?
[2:28:22] >> It would depend on as long as it's on
[2:28:25] Mr. Boyer's property then the vinyl
[2:28:27] fence or then the our fence could stay
[2:28:30] >> which would be protect the white vinyl
[2:28:33] >> y' be a good thing.
[2:28:35] >> Correct. So, I mean, we could ask um the
[2:28:37] developer to um construct a new um barb
[2:28:42] wire fence along the northern portion
[2:28:46] um if needed and then place the vinyl
[2:28:49] fence.
[2:28:53] It's kind of a property owner to
[2:28:56] property owner conversation.
[2:29:04] » And one thing too I think property
[2:29:06] owners are getting concerned about, we
[2:29:08] discussed this last week in planning
[2:29:10] commission and we'll probably see it
[2:29:12] here shortly is people have their lives
[2:29:14] and license I think covered it too, but
[2:29:16] we but they're building these homes.
[2:29:18] People have had livestock in there
[2:29:20] forever. We have ordinances that say you
[2:29:22] can't have animals within 100 foot of an
[2:29:24] existing structure. How does the
[2:29:26] grandfather work? I know we all went
[2:29:27] over that so we kind of understand it,
[2:29:29] but people are concerned about that.
[2:29:31] They're questioning what are their
[2:29:32] rights with their animals when these
[2:29:34] type of develop developments start
[2:29:36] coming in.
[2:29:38] There's a old part of Logan that has a
[2:29:42] farm right in the center of town and
[2:29:43] he's got a sign up that says my cows
[2:29:45] smell and they make noises and I've been
[2:29:48] here since the beginning of time and I'm
[2:29:50] staying here. So I think I think that
[2:29:53] that's a valid question. Um
[2:29:56] they have the right to they've been
[2:29:58] there first. There's some
[2:30:01] reasoning behind that. So
[2:30:03] >> can you recap Tyson what you told them
[2:30:05] ores? So under [clears throat] our code
[2:30:08] got specifically excluded from our
[2:30:10] definition of a nuisance any uh
[2:30:13] agricultural production activities which
[2:30:15] would include maintaining and keeping
[2:30:17] livestock u animal husbandry that's of
[2:30:22] traditional sense so long as it's done
[2:30:23] in accordance with um the uh the
[2:30:27] acceptable practices um in in that
[2:30:29] industry. So if if they're you know if someone is maintaining a nuisance by
[2:30:35] keeping a mud hole full of manure that's
[2:30:37] you know a uh you know flies are
[2:30:40] everywhere and there's you know they're
[2:30:42] doing it outside the normal the normal
[2:30:45] uh um um practices of of that of that
[2:30:49] livestock industry then then that that
[2:30:51] could be a nuisance. But um the the the
[2:30:54] default setting for people that uh have livestock is that it is not a
[2:30:59] nuisance. And so if if someone someone
[2:31:01] were to move in and say, "Look, I'm, you
[2:31:03] know, from San Francisco and we don't
[2:31:05] have these smells and odors, well, um,
[2:31:08] too bad, right? It's this is Grantsville
[2:31:11] and we have those here."
[2:31:14] >> When you bought the lot, the smells were
[2:31:16] there.
[2:31:18] >> We do put a note on the plaid that um
[2:31:20] gives the prop the surrounding property
[2:31:22] owners the right to farm and keep the
[2:31:24] animals on there. So,
[2:31:33] Let's let's just address the other
[2:31:35] comment by uh uh
[2:31:38] >> Mr.
[2:31:39] >> Citizen. Yeah, Mr. Aert. Um
[2:31:43] I mean the the lot sizes are as such.
[2:31:47] RM7
[2:31:49] code does allow for height. I understand
[2:31:53] blocking views. Um no one likes that.
[2:31:58] Uh but
[2:32:01] the property owner does have rights as
[2:32:02] well, right? And I I I I understand that
[2:32:05] we're we're trying to balance that to a
[2:32:08] certain extent, but um we do still have
[2:32:11] our codes. They they can build up, they
[2:32:13] can build vertical, and obviously we've
[2:32:16] discussed the fact that the seven and a
[2:32:18] half feet on both sides, why we don't
[2:32:20] like it, we our hands are somewhat tied
[2:32:24] because they've already applied for it.
[2:32:26] Have we fixed that um within the last
[2:32:28] year? Yes, we have. Um but I I I just
[2:32:33] don't know if we can if we can
[2:32:36] require that of this this developer at
[2:32:39] this time. So,
[2:32:40] >> could we require it on lots one through
[2:32:42] five where there are existing
[2:32:45] residential
[2:32:47] >> neighbors?
[2:32:49] Require what? the seven and a half on
[2:32:53] one side and 15 on the other just to
[2:32:55] give that break in the
[2:32:57] >> the little wider stance.
[2:32:58] >> Yes,
[2:32:59] >> you could request it. I we could request
[2:33:02] it. I Yeah, I don't know.
[2:33:04] >> Those are wider lots anyway. So, it
[2:33:07] would make sense there in that
[2:33:09] particular place
[2:33:11] >> absent some [laughter] exception. It the
[2:33:14] investing occurs at the time of the
[2:33:15] application. So, if we were going to um
[2:33:18] make a change at at this point, it would
[2:33:21] have to be something that uh meets one
[2:33:23] of the exceptions, which is a like a
[2:33:25] prevailing uh um public health interest
[2:33:27] or um some something like that.
[2:33:31] >> Detrimental effect
[2:33:33] >> that Yes. Well, yeah, even more than a
[2:33:35] detrimental effect. It would have to be
[2:33:36] more like a a counterveailing public
[2:33:39] safety interest.
[2:33:40] Um there there there are reasons why why
[2:33:45] we could require it. Probably none of
[2:33:46] those exist here. It would have to be a favor that's asked.
[2:33:53] >> It can't hurt to ask though, right?
[2:33:56] >> Or we're being asked to wave too, which
[2:34:03] » we're being asked to wave as well.
[2:34:05] Correct. Is that
[2:34:06] >> I don't see why we're doing that.
[2:34:10] Yeah, I guess not necessarily a favor,
[2:34:11] but it would have to be a voluntary
[2:34:13] exchange for either kindness or
[2:34:15] consideration.
[2:34:16] >> Yep.
[2:34:21] » Would you like me to call Andy?
[2:34:28] » I mean, that's
[2:34:34] [clears throat]
[2:34:39] I think it sounds like the main concern
[2:34:40] is the fem I mean everything else is
[2:34:42] really we don't really have choice but
[2:34:45] the the vesting
[2:34:48] but I think we like most of us agree
[2:34:50] that the fee is probably not worth it
[2:35:00] see what benefit everyone else follows
[2:35:02] is that see what benefit we're getting
[2:35:05] from
[2:35:09] in this situation at all.
[2:35:21] » Shelby, this has been surveyed a bunch
[2:35:23] of times. You may not know the answer to
[2:35:25] this, but my experience spending my life
[2:35:28] on the north side of Grantsville as all
[2:35:32] the property lines are off but tend to
[2:35:36] 15 feet.
[2:35:38] Is this property line on?
[2:35:42] >> I'm not a surveyor, so I mean, I'm just
[2:35:45] going off of what the plat is showing
[2:35:46] and it's showing that they are. But
[2:35:50] >> I agree with Jeff, though. I know there
[2:35:52] have been historically some issues with
[2:35:55] property lines. And so when this is
[2:35:58] surveyed, if the property line does
[2:36:00] become a dispute, at what point was it
[2:36:04] grandfathered in that this was
[2:36:07] I I have no idea. I'm asking. I don't
[2:36:09] know what would happen when this these
[2:36:11] homes don't fit because the property
[2:36:13] lines are not correct.
[2:36:17] >> So you're goes back to the how long the
[2:36:19] fence has been there. Right.
[2:36:21] >> Right. So, I mean, there's there's
[2:36:22] several reasons why the property line
[2:36:24] could change. Um, and and some sometimes
[2:36:28] there's the the property line is what it
[2:36:30] is, but other times there's adverse
[2:36:32] possession that could occur where if
[2:36:34] someone were to um openly and
[2:36:37] notoriously take um some extra land and
[2:36:41] it's been held for a number of years.
[2:36:43] I'd have to refresh my um research on on
[2:36:46] the number of years, but if it's been
[2:36:48] held in such a manner and uh um then
[2:36:51] adverse possession could change that
[2:36:54] property line um that's not something
[2:36:56] that the city gets to decide has
[2:36:58] occurred. That's something that a court
[2:37:00] decides has occurred um if it gets to
[2:37:02] that point. But um these are basic legal
[2:37:05] principles that tend to have will um
[2:37:09] resolve cases before a court has to. Um
[2:37:13] so there would be some sort of
[2:37:14] stipulation at some point. I would guess
[2:37:16] by way of settlement, but either way it
[2:37:19] would likely halt much of the um the
[2:37:23] ability to to to develop while that um
[2:37:26] while that's being resolved.
[2:37:28] At
[2:37:28] >> least those laws that back then.
[2:37:31] >> Yeah.
[2:37:34] As far as we know, this goes to the
[2:37:37] existing fence.
[2:37:39] >> Yes.
[2:37:45] » I believe if um Alicia scrolls up, it'll
[2:37:48] state existing fence.
[2:37:54] No, it just says it on the site plan
[2:37:56] where the existing fence is, but on the
[2:37:59] bottom you or at the top you can see by
[2:38:01] 10 it says found bar and cap
[2:38:04] and then by one it says found bar and
[2:38:07] cap. So I mean they're going off of
[2:38:08] existing survey markers.
[2:38:11] >> Okay, perfect. Thank you.
[2:38:17] I'm not a big fan of lot five,
[2:38:21] but I mean I I don't know as a homeowner
[2:38:25] how much value that additional I don't
[2:38:29] know
[2:38:31] 120 ft of space is
[2:38:34] by 25 foot deep, 26 feet deep.
[2:38:38] >> It's not our favorite either. It's just
[2:38:40] an awkward
[2:38:41] >> I understand. I just
[2:38:48] If these were town homes, we could
[2:38:52] ask them to potentially put like a
[2:38:55] parking
[2:38:56] lot there or something. We've done that
[2:38:58] in the past,
[2:39:02] but then the land law five wouldn't meet
[2:39:04] the the minimum requirements. It'd be
[2:39:06] way less than 7,000 square feet, I
[2:39:08] imagine.
[2:39:15] It's meeting the minimum requirements,
[2:39:17] but the buildability of it is question.
[2:39:52] There's no other concerns, questions,
[2:39:56] comments. We need a motion.
[2:40:10] If we don't agree with FEM then we can
[2:40:12] we just have to deny the resolution
[2:40:14] right we don't that's how it's written
[2:40:16] am I correct
[2:40:17] >> you know you can make a recommendation
[2:40:19] to remove the waiver of the fianl
[2:40:22] >> we can so we can do it without I mean
[2:40:23] because that that's my big concern I
[2:40:25] feel like we can do it that way then I'm Okay.
[2:40:38] » So, mayor, I make a motion that we
[2:40:40] approve resolution 202655 approving the
[2:40:43] Falcons landing master development
[2:40:44] agreement for the property located
[2:40:45] approximately at Blue Street and Wild
[2:40:47] Rose with the recommendation that the
[2:40:49] fee and Lou is removed.
[2:40:54] » We have a motion by council member
[2:40:55] Skinner. Is there a second?
[2:41:04] I'd still like to make the request that
[2:41:07] one side of each one of lot one, two,
[2:41:09] three, and four
[2:41:12] be 15 ft on one side of the line.
[2:41:16] >> I agree.
[2:41:20] How do we I'm not sure how we could
[2:41:22] >> I think it's something we could ask and
[2:41:24] address in the DRC reviews, but from
[2:41:27] what Tyson was stating, it's not
[2:41:28] something we can require.
[2:41:30] >> It's a request, not Yeah.
[2:41:33] >> to it. So, I guess we did not approve it
[2:41:34] today.
[2:41:37] » I don't know.
[2:41:38] >> I
[2:41:41] [clears throat]
[2:41:42] wider laws.
[2:41:43] >> We have to do something with it.
[2:41:45] [laughter]
[2:41:45] >> What's that?
[2:41:45] >> So, we have to do something with it. We
[2:41:47] got
[2:41:48] We could table it and have to we table
[2:41:51] it and somebody could go ask them like,
[2:41:52] "Hey,
[2:41:54] will you stipulate to
[2:41:57] >> Yeah, I mean he texted me and he says he
[2:42:00] just he's speaking but it's not coming
[2:42:02] through.
[2:42:05] >> He's unmuted
[2:42:07] on our end. So I don't know.
[2:42:11] >> Can he call in? Can we like disconnect
[2:42:14] and reconnect back in?
[2:42:15] >> I told him to call me. There he is.
[2:42:17] Yeah, waving the fee and lose a no from
[2:42:19] me. So, be a rejection in that
[2:42:21] situation.
[2:42:23] >> So,
[2:42:23] >> I'm getting feedback when Jake talks.
[2:42:26] Can you just kick him off the meeting?
[2:42:28] >> Kick Andy off.
[2:42:30] >> Andy, can you get off the meeting and
[2:42:32] then I can just put you on speaker
[2:42:33] phone?
[2:42:37] » Okay.
[2:42:39] >> I don't know why I can't hear me on the
[2:42:40] computer, but you can hear my phone.
[2:42:41] That's weird.
[2:42:42] >> Yeah. Okay. So, I have you on speaker
[2:42:45] phone at city council and they are
[2:42:47] requesting [snorts]
[2:42:48] I'm not sure if you heard but on lots
[2:42:50] one through four or five.
[2:42:53] >> Well, four
[2:42:55] doesn't make a whole lot of sense
[2:42:57] because it's so narrow anyways, right?
[2:42:59] >> Yeah. Okay. So, lots one through four to
[2:43:02] have 7 and 1/2 ft on the sideyard on one
[2:43:04] side and 15 feet on the sideyard on the
[2:43:07] opposite side.
[2:43:09] >> Yeah. As long as it matts out. We did
[2:43:11] that on the after we spoke with you last
[2:43:13] time on the properties on the north side
[2:43:16] already to split it up more evenly. And
[2:43:18] the fact that lot one has that I was
[2:43:20] looking at it as they were saying that
[2:43:21] the fact that lot one has that 10,000
[2:43:24] square foot size so we can shrink into
[2:43:27] that one to pull the other ones over. I
[2:43:28] think we can absolutely do that.
[2:43:30] >> Okay.
[2:43:33] >> Could we make it from lot one to five
[2:43:35] and make lot five a little bit wider? I
[2:43:37] mean, I think now that he's saying that
[2:43:39] and he's saying he's going to move those
[2:43:41] lot lines and shift them over, I think
[2:43:43] he's got enough room to be able to do it
[2:43:47] at least [cough and laughter]
[2:43:49] ft, which would give a 22 and a half
[2:43:52] foot width between homes one through
[2:43:57] five on one side.
[2:44:00] >> Yeah.
[2:44:01] >> Right.
[2:44:03] >> Does that make sense? Mhm.
[2:44:06] I
[2:44:06] >> think that makes it more in line with
[2:44:08] our code. It it it helps the neighbors
[2:44:13] um so that the homes aren't so crammed
[2:44:15] together and I think it's a I think it's
[2:44:19] a reasonable ask.
[2:44:23] » Sure. I think that's fair. That's
[2:44:25] reasonable.
[2:44:28] >> Put it in the MDA.
[2:44:29] >> So, can Britney just add that then to
[2:44:31] her motion? Maybe.
[2:44:33] >> Just amend it. Okay. Thank you.
[2:44:37] >> Bye.
[2:44:38] >> I don't know all the numbers, so maybe
[2:44:39] somebody else should because I don't
[2:44:40] know what we just
[2:44:41] >> No, but just amend amend your your
[2:44:44] motion that lots one through five um
[2:44:47] that one side of each one of those lots
[2:44:50] has a 15 foot
[2:44:52] >> setback sideyard setback.
[2:44:55] >> Making the the total sideyard from from
[2:44:58] easement to easement 22 and 1/2 ft in
[2:45:01] between structures.
[2:45:04] which is as per our code currently.
[2:45:07] >> Yeah.
[2:45:08] >> Right. Tyson,
[2:45:09] >> you can handle that, can't you?
[2:45:11] >> You just say I amend my motion to meet
[2:45:14] what Rhett just said.
[2:45:15] >> Yeah. Yeah. I'll just amend my motion to
[2:45:17] also include what Rhett just said as far
[2:45:19] as the setbacks.
[2:45:20] >> Okay. We have an amended motion.
[2:45:21] >> So, the two parts of the motion are
[2:45:23] >> two parts. Yes. So, we have
[2:45:24] recommendations that there's no fee in L
[2:45:26] that it's a regular impact fee and that
[2:45:28] the setbacks are as described by
[2:45:30] >> So, to clarify, the fee in L is not an
[2:45:32] impact fee. He'll already pay the impact
[2:45:34] fee. It is a separate
[2:45:36] >> but we rejected. We're recommending No,
[2:45:38] we don't approve the fee in the
[2:45:39] >> We're not We're not We're not waving.
[2:45:42] >> Okay. We're not waving. [clears throat]
[2:45:43] >> Yes.
[2:45:45] >> Alicia, do you have that?
[2:45:47] >> Did you get it?
[2:45:47] >> I will definitely need to listen to the
[2:45:49] recording for sure.
[2:45:51] >> So, we have an amended motion by Council
[2:45:54] Member Skinner. Is there a second?
[2:45:56] >> I'll second.
[2:45:56] >> A second by Council Member Dalton. All
[2:45:58] in favor? I
[2:46:01] >> Okay.
[2:46:07] Item number 14, consideration of
[2:46:09] resolution 2026-54
[2:46:11] awarding the contract for the Apple
[2:46:13] Street waterline replacement project to
[2:46:15] Forge Industrial.
[2:46:18] >> Uh, this was a CBDG grant. We do have to
[2:46:22] go with the lowest bidder. The lowest
[2:46:23] bidder was Forge at 273 $273,85310.
[2:46:33] Um, and we need uh council approval and
[2:46:37] then we'll go forward with
[2:46:39] preconstruction
[2:46:41] contracts
[2:46:43] >> because this was that type of grant, a
[2:46:46] CDBG grant.
[2:46:47] >> Um, there was no pre-qualification
[2:46:50] process for this project. Right.
[2:46:51] Correct. just open to any bidder.
[2:46:53] >> Correct.
[2:46:54] >> So, have we ever had this um particular
[2:46:58] company, Forge Industrial, do any work
[2:46:59] for us?
[2:47:00] >> No. Nope. But they had to be vetted by
[2:47:03] the CBDG grant committee as well.
[2:47:06] >> And they have done a similar project in
[2:47:08] Ogden.
[2:47:11] >> And Ogden was happy with the work that
[2:47:13] was done or you don't know?
[2:47:14] >> I don't know.
[2:47:15] >> But they've done a similar project.
[2:47:16] >> Yes. So they will have to deal with the
[2:47:19] bacon Davis wages in the cabin.
[2:47:22] >> Yeah.
[2:47:30] » Obviously this project needs to be done.
[2:47:32] >> Yes.
[2:47:34] >> With more coming. So
[2:47:36] >> short. [clears throat]
[2:47:39] » Is there an estimated timeline as to
[2:47:41] when they would be able to begin the
[2:47:43] project? as soon as we can get a
[2:47:44] contract in place and they can get the
[2:47:46] bond to us. Will they? Yep.
[2:47:48] >> So, will they hope to start this?
[2:47:50] >> They wanted to start before you
[2:47:51] approved. They're ready to start.
[2:47:53] >> Okay.
[2:47:53] >> But we won't let them start until we can
[2:47:56] get everything in line.
[2:47:57] >> So, they will have to provide a
[2:47:59] performance and payment bond.
[2:48:02] >> What parts of Apple Street is this for?
[2:48:04] >> Only between Hell and Park Street.
[2:48:11] Okay. Any
[2:48:16] other questions?
[2:48:18] >> Has something.
[2:48:19] >> Yeah,
[2:48:20] I'm worried about school.
[2:48:22] >> Yeah, but so are they. And we are asking
[2:48:24] them to start in the intersection.
[2:48:26] So, they're aware
[2:48:28] >> because that's a hot streak to go pick
[2:48:30] up your kids. Now, my kids don't go to
[2:48:31] that school anymore. They're [laughter]
[2:48:32] graduating junior high. So, I'm just
[2:48:35] teasing there.
[2:48:36] >> But that's where we pick up the girls,
[2:48:39] too. for the last 150 years.
[2:48:42] >> Yeah.
[2:48:45] >> Now you're showing your age. [laughter]
[2:48:48] >> I don't know why the water line's going
[2:48:50] bad, huh?
[2:48:50] >> That's right.
[2:48:52] >> Can we make it historic?
[2:48:54] >> Yeah. [laughter]
[2:48:55] >> No, this
[2:48:56] >> Before the fire, we could have, but
[2:48:58] >> this is part of the end. Sorry.
[2:49:00] [laughter]
[2:49:01] All right. Mayor, I make a motion we
[2:49:03] approve resolution 2026-54
[2:49:06] awarding the contract for the Apple
[2:49:08] Street waterline replacement to Forge
[2:49:10] Industrial.
[2:49:12] >> We have a motion by Council Member
[2:49:13] Butler. Is there a second?
[2:49:15] >> Second.
[2:49:16] >> Nope. Go ahead.
[2:49:16] >> Second by Council Member Skinner. All in
[2:49:18] favor?
[2:49:19] >> I. So Christie, just tell me where are
[2:49:22] they going to start the project to avoid
[2:49:24] as much
[2:49:26] >> Well, they will start at the
[2:49:27] intersection because we are going
[2:49:28] through the intersection at Park and
[2:49:31] Apple Street.
[2:49:32] >> Okay.
[2:49:33] >> Oh boy.
[2:49:33] >> So through the crosswalk.
[2:49:34] >> Mhm.
[2:49:36] >> To the south side of the school.
[2:49:38] >> Okay.
[2:49:39] >> And they're not going to be started
[2:49:40] before school is in a month. They're not
[2:49:44] going to be underway likely.
[2:49:46] >> They might be able to get through that
[2:49:48] intersection. Maybe [laughter]
[2:49:51] >> we will do our best to get them out here
[2:49:53] as fast as we can. Huh, Tyson?
[2:49:55] >> Okay.
[2:49:57] [laughter]
[2:49:57] >> All right. Thank you. [clears throat]
[2:50:00] >> Priority on the contract.
[2:50:03] >> Agenda item number 15, consideration of
[2:50:06] ordinance 2026-26
[2:50:08] approving amendments to chapter 7-3 of
[2:50:11] the Grantsville City Code regarding
[2:50:12] definitions and regulations for cross
[2:50:15] connections and dual source connections.
[2:50:17] So this wording was changed under the
[2:50:20] recommendation of the state to go from
[2:50:22] we used to say the code used to say
[2:50:25] swing joint and they want to change that
[2:50:27] to dual soy d sorry slate dual source.
[2:50:32] That was the main change in any of the
[2:50:35] other little language they asked us to
[2:50:37] change to be adopted into our code.
[2:50:49] And this mainly is I mean obviously a
[2:50:54] definition but the deeper part of this
[2:50:57] is really someone improperly connecting
[2:51:01] if I remember right city water to
[2:51:04] secondary water. So anytime what we have
[2:51:06] a situations is people have their
[2:51:08] irrigation system and they want to use
[2:51:10] both culinary water and irrigation so
[2:51:12] that when irrigation turns off or
[2:51:14] they've run out of gallons they can go
[2:51:16] and use their culinary. So what you have
[2:51:18] to have is what we say a dual source
[2:51:21] connection which means you have a
[2:51:24] physical disconnect. They can never be
[2:51:26] connected at the same time. So you have
[2:51:28] to disconnect from one, connect to the
[2:51:31] other, and then you do have to have an
[2:51:33] RP backflow pre
[2:51:35] >> or an air check.
[2:51:37] >> No, not just an air check. Has to be a
[2:51:40] backflow pre. And since irrigation is
[2:51:43] considered a hazard, it has to be
[2:51:46] because of that potential. It has to be
[2:51:48] a RP cannot be just the other ABV. AB
[2:51:52] >> I say need for this because we do have
[2:51:54] both and correct
[2:51:56] >> and you know going through that.
[2:51:58] >> We we have stopped one this year in fact
[2:52:00] where we turned irrigation turned their
[2:52:03] water off until they could show that
[2:52:06] they had RP.
[2:52:07] >> I had one on my
[2:52:08] >> they installed an RP
[2:52:10] >> here in Gransville. I had one on my
[2:52:11] first
[2:52:11] >> and then found out they don't have
[2:52:12] irrigation
[2:52:14] >> and never used the connection. I never
[2:52:16] [laughter] I had manual Yeah. disconnect
[2:52:19] on the irrigation on the city side. I
[2:52:22] had the
[2:52:24] >> air check is what was required then when
[2:52:27] I when I house was built
[2:52:30] >> 20 almost 20 years ago.
[2:52:33] >> So
[2:52:35] >> okay,
[2:52:37] >> but this is just housekeeping.
[2:52:39] >> Correct.
[2:52:39] >> Yeah. So, I make a motion we approve
[2:52:41] ordinance 2026-26
[2:52:44] approving the amendment to chapter 7-3
[2:52:47] of the Gransville City Code regarding
[2:52:49] definitions and regulations for cross
[2:52:50] connections and dual source connections.
[2:52:54] >> We have a motion by council member
[2:52:55] Butler. Is there a second?
[2:52:57] >> I second.
[2:52:58] >> Second by council member Thomas. All in
[2:53:00] favor?
[2:53:01] >> I.
[2:53:02] >> Thank you.
[2:53:07] » Okay. Okay. Agenda item number 16,
[2:53:09] council reports. Let's start with rep.
[2:53:12] We've gone over a lot of yours with the
[2:53:15] district.
[2:53:15] >> Well, I I mean, I think Ala took care
[2:53:18] of, you know, really what we've been
[2:53:20] working on as a historic preservation
[2:53:23] commission and you know, appreciate her basic report and I think we're
[2:53:29] excited to create a potentially create a
[2:53:32] historic district.
[2:53:34] Congrats.
[2:53:36] We talked a lot about just that that
[2:53:37] area and I think it's important for us
[2:53:39] to to designate that that'll help some
[2:53:41] of those homeowners down the road
[2:53:43] >> to be able to do some of the restoration
[2:53:46] projects that they they'd like they'd
[2:53:48] like to do.
[2:53:50] >> It has hindered us not especially with
[2:53:53] the grants first award.
[2:53:56] >> Yeah.
[2:53:57] >> They haven't been able to get those
[2:53:58] grants because it's not designated as
[2:54:00] historic preservation
[2:54:02] >> district. So that home is now included
[2:54:06] in that potential area.
[2:54:09] >> Okay.
[2:54:11] >> All right. Great. Jake,
[2:54:15] um, [clears throat]
[2:54:18] uh, Veterans Park, I'll hit on that
[2:54:20] really quick. The first first phase of
[2:54:21] that is complete has been completed. Um,
[2:54:25] and so you can walk that and see kind of
[2:54:28] what that entailed. Um,
[2:54:31] know a lot of people have had eyes on
[2:54:32] it. uh the
[2:54:35] uh meeting that we had yesterday uh
[2:54:39] regarding that. Um they've got the new
[2:54:42] they have a the bronze monument that
[2:54:45] will go there. They have the first um
[2:54:50] miniaturaturized I don't know the right
[2:54:51] word small sample of that. gonna make a
[2:54:54] limited amount of those. And so, um,
[2:54:59] anyway, um, it sounds like they're gonna
[2:55:01] bring that to the city and have it here
[2:55:03] at the city hall so people can see.
[2:55:05] >> Do you know how much they were able to
[2:55:09] raise on the 4th of July for the
[2:55:10] Veterans Park?
[2:55:12] >> Um, we went through some of the
[2:55:14] finances. Um, they had the the cornhole
[2:55:19] portion. Um, and I know I want to say
[2:55:22] several thousand that was what was
[2:55:25] covered on that specifically. Um,
[2:55:28] they've had
[2:55:29] >> raffle and yeah
[2:55:30] >> raffle and they've had they had a larger
[2:55:32] donation. Um, and so I know their um,
[2:55:38] treasurer was going to meet and
[2:55:40] specifically go through all of that with our group um, and see kind of where
[2:55:46] we where we sit, where we landed as far
[2:55:48] as the financing of the first phase and
[2:55:50] how that landed within budget.
[2:55:53] >> This probably is a question you can't
[2:55:54] answer, but
[2:55:57] what is needed for phase two?
[2:55:59] >> So, I think the next portion or or I
[2:56:01] think the next push
[2:56:05] um is to get is to get to grass. So um
[2:56:11] get the irrigation system in top soil.
[2:56:15] There was a request for you know as the
[2:56:17] city would be willing to to some of that
[2:56:21] top soil that was peeled out and and
[2:56:24] been separated for the other park to see
[2:56:26] if they could utilize some of that
[2:56:28] >> and just get it to grass this year. If
[2:56:30] they could do that then I think gets us
[2:56:33] a great surface that's irrigated and um
[2:56:37] then then they can go into you know
[2:56:40] landscaping and
[2:56:43] uh flagples and the more probably the
[2:56:46] more expensive portion which is the
[2:56:48] statue. Um we we got some pre the
[2:56:52] preliminary costs on that and
[2:56:54] um he's maintained that he will keep
[2:56:58] that cost but the statue itself is going
[2:57:00] to be
[2:57:02] $200,000. So um so that cost and then
[2:57:07] the granite costs for the walls is where
[2:57:10] but they are seeing a lot a lot of
[2:57:12] momentum which is good as far as the
[2:57:14] bricks and people purchasing the bricks
[2:57:16] and then getting donations. Um, I think
[2:57:19] it's good. Um, they were very
[2:57:21] appreciative of the city. Um, and and
[2:57:26] made some comments regarding and I'll
[2:57:28] let I'll let them bring those comments
[2:57:31] to the to the council and to the city.
[2:57:34] Um, I don't want to spoil any thunder
[2:57:36] there, but they've they've been very
[2:57:38] appreciative in that setting um with
[2:57:41] what the city has done to to get us to
[2:57:43] this point. And I think it's creating
[2:57:45] some momentum that's it's helping push
[2:57:49] it push it further along.
[2:57:50] >> There's a pile of soil, whatever we want
[2:57:53] to classify that as sitting in the
[2:57:55] middle of it. Is is there It was my
[2:57:58] understanding that maybe somebody had
[2:58:00] volunteered to come in and do the earth
[2:58:02] work there to flatten that out. Do you
[2:58:04] know anything?
[2:58:05] >> Yeah. So I think the next phase would be
[2:58:06] getting the irrigation in.
[2:58:08] >> Okay. And so um
[2:58:12] yeah, so that would be the second phase
[2:58:14] because in the first phase we didn't
[2:58:16] have funding for that. So based on some
[2:58:19] questions that I don't know as far as if
[2:58:21] there were any change orders or how that
[2:58:23] a lot allotted with the actual contract
[2:58:25] price. Um I have walked it. It's and I
[2:58:28] know Barry's been um very connected with
[2:58:32] that and
[2:58:34] um
[2:58:37] and communicating that back to the
[2:58:39] committee and I know that's been very
[2:58:40] appreciated at least that was uh
[2:58:43] mentioned. So, so yeah, getting to that
[2:58:46] next part, which I think is just getting
[2:58:49] the ground level and getting it in a
[2:58:52] situation where we we could have a flag
[2:58:54] raising ceremony there, even if we
[2:58:56] didn't have some of those other
[2:58:57] components, and then and then focusing
[2:58:59] on what the next phase would be. So,
[2:59:01] which would be the last phase, which
[2:59:05] would be the most expensive portion. So,
[2:59:07] yeah. Anyway,
[2:59:09] um we we did have a meeting with the
[2:59:13] school district uh regarding resolution
[2:59:16] on the um
[2:59:20] park and and getting aou in place with
[2:59:24] the school district. Desire is to get an
[2:59:28] short-term agreement in place with the
[2:59:30] possibility of understanding what
[2:59:32] long-term
[2:59:34] solution we can have in place for that.
[2:59:36] There'll be more to come on that. Um,
[2:59:39] and I'm happy to to share what what's
[2:59:44] been discussed there, but um, the desire
[2:59:46] is to work together to find a solution
[2:59:48] that works for the kids and that works
[2:59:50] better for the the city. Um, and then
[2:59:54] looking for whatever the long-term
[2:59:56] solution is going to be there. So,
[2:59:59] um I don't know if there's any more I
[3:00:02] need to report on that there
[3:00:04] specifically, but that's that's ongoing.
[3:00:07] And
[3:00:10] I think that's it for the items I had.
[3:00:13] >> Okay. Thank you,
[3:00:15] Derek.
[3:00:16] >> Um I had a few things, but I left my
[3:00:18] notebook at home and I know we have a
[3:00:20] close session after this, so I'll just
[3:00:22] wait for next week. But I do want to say
[3:00:24] like um the city did amazing job for the
[3:00:27] 4th of July. Um public works did awesome
[3:00:30] and Colton was that who came and picked
[3:00:32] up our tent every night. Um was awesome.
[3:00:35] So I want to thank I think Christiey's
[3:00:36] gone but thank them and Colton. And one
[3:00:39] suggestion that I had that might help
[3:00:41] with the memorial park and I, you know,
[3:00:44] told a couple of you guys when I was
[3:00:45] cooking a hot dog next year or whatever,
[3:00:47] but is I had a lot of people ask how
[3:00:49] much they were or can we give a donation
[3:00:51] or do something because they didn't want
[3:00:53] to just take a free hot dog and I
[3:00:54] thought maybe we pick a cause or pick a something and we can have a donation
[3:01:02] that, you know, maybe they do. I don't
[3:01:03] know what the legality is on all that,
[3:01:05] but a lot of people were willing to help
[3:01:07] and wanted to do something for the
[3:01:08] community. So, just an idea we might
[3:01:10] think about for for next next Fourth of
[3:01:13] July.
[3:01:14] >> Just make that an option for people to
[3:01:17] leave something if they wanted to.
[3:01:20] >> All right. Thanks.
[3:01:21] >> I don't have an update. We only have the
[3:01:23] board of health every other month. So,
[3:01:24] our meetings at the end of this month.
[3:01:25] So, I will let you know when it's time.
[3:01:29] Um, I don't. And we have another
[3:01:31] mosquito bait meeting last night.
[3:01:35] I've got all the stats of what they've
[3:01:37] done. I mean, it's dry. We don't even talk about
[3:01:41] mosquitoes.
[3:01:42] >> I haven't had a single mosquito bites
[3:01:44] all year.
[3:01:44] >> Crazy.
[3:01:45] >> Yeah. When I bring it up, they trap
[3:01:47] 2,000 mosquitoes down by the sewer plant
[3:01:52] just this month. And they do all kinds
[3:01:54] of tests on them. It's just crazy. 87
[3:01:57] West Nile cases and none in Tua County.
[3:02:00] So that's good.
[3:02:02] >> That is that is a good thing.
[3:02:04] >> It's been kind of like sparse this year.
[3:02:07] >> Good,
[3:02:07] >> but it hasn't been wet either, right?
[3:02:10] >> So I think it's makes it a lot easier
[3:02:12] when there's less water, right? So
[3:02:14] that's going fine. Irrigation meeting,
[3:02:16] they cancelled their meeting at the
[3:02:17] first month, but we did have a meeting
[3:02:19] with it that I missed. Sorry I missed
[3:02:22] that on Monday. Um, so I don't have any
[3:02:26] to report there.
[3:02:28] >> All right. Thank you.
[3:02:29] >> Can I just make one other comment just
[3:02:30] about the Fourth of July?
[3:02:32] >> Um, and it's I mean an article that I
[3:02:34] read just about Salt Lake City and Salt
[3:02:37] Lake County and I'll just parlay it to our town. Um, I was really impressed
[3:02:43] with our citizens and their adherence to
[3:02:49] um our request to not let off fireworks.
[3:02:51] I mean, it was absolutely amazing.
[3:02:54] I mean,
[3:02:55] >> I was extremely impressed with that as
[3:02:57] well. Yeah.
[3:02:59] >> And I'm I'm pretty proud of of of our
[3:03:02] citizens for, you know, adhering to
[3:03:04] that. So,
[3:03:05] >> did did you have any calls or
[3:03:08] >> dozen about a dozen
[3:03:10] >> which is very
[3:03:12] >> But did you have did you write any
[3:03:15] citations?
[3:03:16] >> Not that I don't think so.
[3:03:18] >> Yes.
[3:03:19] >> Yeah. It was impressive. So, too,
[3:03:22] >> nobody wanted to have to take that away,
[3:03:24] but it was the right thing for this
[3:03:26] year. And appreciate
[3:03:29] >> people. We had a dozen. Salt Lake City
[3:03:30] only had one call. I read an article
[3:03:32] >> really the Salt Lake City Police
[3:03:34] Department. They had one one call and I I might have heard a few light off
[3:03:39] just right after ours, but it was
[3:03:42] minimal compared to what it is normally
[3:03:45] during a a year. So, yep.
[3:03:49] >> I remembered one other thing. I'm sorry.
[3:03:51] At some point, we need to circle back to
[3:03:53] the Clark Farm and property. our
[3:03:56] property behind the Clark Farm is to
[3:03:59] um we still have the
[3:04:04] um
[3:04:06] 4HFA kids wanting to build some type of
[3:04:09] agriculture facility there
[3:04:12] and really are wanting some type of
[3:04:15] direction from us if that's a go or no
[3:04:17] go or a possibility. I realize we're
[3:04:20] kind of missing the pretty picture
[3:04:22] phase,
[3:04:23] but I mean, I don't even know at this
[3:04:26] point we're pretty distorted. Are we
[3:04:27] just keeping that the views open? And
[3:04:31] >> I I talked with them this week.
[3:04:33] >> Okay.
[3:04:34] >> And and I said, "What I would really
[3:04:37] like from from you is draw me a picture
[3:04:40] of what this is. This is the FFA group."
[3:04:44] That's correct.
[3:04:45] >> Kind of put me together a little map of
[3:04:47] what you see. And then I feel like the
[3:04:49] Clark Farm should do the same thing. And
[3:04:51] they both may need to give just a little
[3:04:53] bit in order to be, you know, make both
[3:04:55] entities have a successful
[3:04:58] >> something
[3:04:58] >> vision of what that area could look
[3:05:01] like. But that's what I'm waiting for.
[3:05:03] >> Yeah. I I just feel that too. We need
[3:05:06] some type of pres presentation of a the
[3:05:09] pretty picture. What could be or what I
[3:05:12] mean? I think it could all work, but
[3:05:15] we're just spinning.
[3:05:16] >> I think that they are both um
[3:05:19] if I'm understanding this right, they
[3:05:21] both have ideas and they're not
[3:05:23] necessarily communicating them to each
[3:05:25] other or worrying too much about the
[3:05:27] little details. Whereas if they would
[3:05:30] both just get us a and the city at some
[3:05:33] point just has to make a decision and
[3:05:35] say this is what we're doing and this is
[3:05:39] where we want to move forward and these
[3:05:41] are the options that you will have to to
[3:05:43] do. So I'm waiting for them to bring
[3:05:46] those back to me. So hopefully they do
[3:05:48] that sooner than later. I know on
[3:05:50] Wednesdays now they have the um
[3:05:54] farmers market and and the people have
[3:05:57] been encouraged. I that area kind of is
[3:06:01] starting to get that you know it's has
[3:06:03] that natural feel from what what it is
[3:06:06] but also like I thought that was a great
[3:06:08] that would be a great addition to what
[3:06:10] happens at that you know having farmers
[3:06:13] market over there every Wednesday. I
[3:06:14] know we've been encouraged to go check
[3:06:15] it out. It's gaining a little bit of
[3:06:18] momentum from what I hear. Um,
[3:06:21] >> obviously it was hard year for farmers.
[3:06:23] >> Yeah.
[3:06:24] >> For all the right, you know, reasons,
[3:06:26] especially growers and the freezes that
[3:06:29] we had that killed peaches and every
[3:06:31] cherries and everything else. So, but
[3:06:34] um, encourage people to go to to go to
[3:06:36] that. Um, I think that's an extension of
[3:06:38] what's happening down there. And
[3:06:41] >> I mean, we've got
[3:06:42] >> incorporate into that
[3:06:43] >> we've got to
[3:06:44] >> what it is
[3:06:44] >> protect the city and be able to expand
[3:06:46] the cemetery if we ever need to.
[3:06:49] >> I mean, I love the area to walk through.
[3:06:52] I mean, this is my area, but I think it
[3:06:55] all could be done. I just don't know how
[3:06:58] to get it all done. So,
[3:07:00] >> right. We need a vision. We need a plan
[3:07:03] and a vision.
[3:07:04] >> Yeah.
[3:07:07] >> So, yeah. Thanks, Jeff, for bringing
[3:07:09] that up. Um, again, thank you to
[3:07:12] everybody for the Fourth of July.
[3:07:14] Police, fire, public works, all city
[3:07:16] staff, city council. I hope you've all
[3:07:20] recovered and have not had a single hot
[3:07:21] dog since.
[3:07:22] >> It was fun. It was my first time. It was
[3:07:24] fun. And you did. Heidi did amazing
[3:07:26] work. The mayor was at every place I
[3:07:27] was, she was. And I wasn't even that
[3:07:29] many places. So, and I saw her doing the
[3:07:31] >> It was a long flag.
[3:07:33] >> Yes. [laughter]
[3:07:34] But, but it was great. And I've had so
[3:07:37] many positive comments come back to the
[3:07:40] city
[3:07:42] thankful for all the efforts that go
[3:07:44] into the 4th of July and they people do
[3:07:46] notice it and they appreciate it. So
[3:07:48] thank you to all of to everybody in this
[3:07:50] room for making that successful. Um the
[3:07:53] girls summit reminding you of that on
[3:07:55] August 3rd. Um so keep that in your
[3:07:59] thoughts about attending.
[3:08:01] >> Will we have more than three at that? Do
[3:08:03] we need to notice for that?
[3:08:05] >> Okay.
[3:08:06] And I think the RCP deadline's tomorrow.
[3:08:09] >> I've told them
[3:08:10] >> the 16th. At least that's what they
[3:08:11] said.
[3:08:11] >> Jeff, you said you were unable to come.
[3:08:14] >> Yeah, everybody else is still planning
[3:08:15] to attend.
[3:08:16] >> Okay.
[3:08:17] So, that's what I that's the
[3:08:18] information I gave them.
[3:08:20] >> So, uh the inter the question we had the
[3:08:24] very first speaker of our public comment
[3:08:26] about the internet on Vegas Street.
[3:08:29] Is there any city staff that can help?
[3:08:31] Yeah, we're already working through uh
[3:08:34] options for that kind of stuff and I'll
[3:08:35] take that on.
[3:08:36] >> Okay.
[3:08:38] All right. Um I can't handle much more
[3:08:41] of the beeping, so we're going to wrap
[3:08:43] this up.
[3:08:45] >> So,
[3:08:45] >> I can't even hear it anymore. [laughter]
[3:08:48] >> It's like my head.
[3:08:49] >> Thank you to all the city staff that's
[3:08:50] been here today for all of your help. We
[3:08:53] do appreciate you. So, thank you so
[3:08:56] much.
[3:08:57] And with that, I need someone to make a
[3:08:59] motion to go into a close session.
[3:09:02] >> Make a motion to go into close session.
[3:09:04] >> I'll second. We have a motion and a
[3:09:06] second. All in favor?
[3:09:07] >> I
[3:09:12] We already
[3:09:14] did.
[3:09:15] >> Thank you.