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» All right. Welcome everybody. This is a

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regular meeting and public hearing of

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the Grantsville City Council. For the

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record, today's date is August 19th,

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2026, and the time is 700 p.m. This

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meeting is being held at the Grantsville

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City Council Chambers located at 429

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East Main Street, Grantsville, Utah, as

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well as electronically by Zoom. I am

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Mayor Heidi Hammond and I will conduct a

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roll call of our city council. Council

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member Butler

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>> Dalton

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>> Skinner

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>> Thomas

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>> Williams

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>> Thank you. If you would all please rise

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and join me in the pledge of allegiance.

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» I aliance to the flag of the United

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States of America and to the republic

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for which it stands. One nation under

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God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all. Amen.

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» All right. Our first item, our first

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agenda item tonight is a public comment.

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We have received several comments from

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the public by email which are included

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in the public packet. The floor is open

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to the public to bring their concerns to

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the council and we ask that you limit

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your comments to three minutes each so

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that all who would have a desire to

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participate have that opportunity. So

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the time is now available for anyone who

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is in this room. We'll start with that

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uh to present items to the uh to the

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council and then we will ask those who

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are online if they would like to raise

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their hands and they can address the

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council by Zoom as well. Uh one thing I

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want to point out to everyone here is we

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are not allowed to have a back and forth

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conversation with you during public

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comment, but please rest assured we are

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making notes. we're making taking down

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the information that we need to address

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those issues. When we get to the item um

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on the agenda to discuss that particular

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item, we will talk through the concerns

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that you have. So, just don't think that

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we're not listening. We truly are. So,

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you are welcome to do so. And again,

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please state your name. And uh do you

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need an address, Alicia? No,

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>> don't need an address, but um if you do

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speak, if you don't mind just coming and

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writing your name down over here after

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» So, no address.

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Um my name is Kristen Estagard. Um,

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I'm here tonight to discuss my concern

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with the layout of the proposed

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The layout of the houses and their

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alleyways put deadend streets in which

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cars pulling into their spaces point

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directly into bedroom windows and back

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doors of those on Sun Valley.

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My house specifically has an alleyway

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lined up exactly where my master bedroom

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doors are. That means 10 different cars

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and their headlights will be pointing

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toward my bedroom

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at all hours of the day and night. Not

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to mention just the noise that that

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would also bring.

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will have eight twostory houses

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overlooking their backyards

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and provide no privacy.

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property line which would potentially

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increase the amount of crime,

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trespassing, and lack of privacy.

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halfacre lots butdding up against our

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existing properties on Sun Valley and

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previously the city council has held

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developers to a standard of progressing

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into higher density lots so there is not

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such an abrupt change such as this. A

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good example of this is the 20 Wells

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members work with the developer to have

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halfacre lots against existing residents

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and then maybe transition to higher

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density units as the development works

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inward. This would still allow the

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developer to fit more units than he had

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previously approved on that plan, but

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also um make the existing residents much

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happier in the long run.

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Good evening, council members. My name

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is Clay Barney. I live at 3842

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and I'm here also

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to [clears throat] oppose the Allington

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units on that much property is a lot of

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units on a small area. Okay. Um one of

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my major concerns I have animals. I have

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animal rights and I have animals. Okay.

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um, ordinance 2022-14

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states that there shall be a 100 foot

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easement for all animals. So, no

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development should be within 100 ft of

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all animals. Okay. So, that being said,

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what was presented to the um planning

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and zoning commission was 10 ft from my

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back fence.

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to cause problems not only with me, it's

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going to cause problems with residents

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that move in there because I have my

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animals. They're going to be complaining

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about smells or, you know, not liking

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the animals or the flies or whatever. We

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are We have We've lived there. I've

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lived there 29 years and it's always

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been farmland, okay? To So, I'm I'm okay

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with development. It just needs to be

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done smart. Okay. not just go from farm

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property to all of a sudden we have all

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these houses right next door to farm

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property. So I feel like there needs to

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be at least some zoning or something

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that at least

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follows the ordinance that says there's

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100 ft minimum from the animals. Okay.

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city as well. you know, police, the

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police department will be coming out

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because of nuisance calls, because of

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the animals, the noise, things like

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that. So, it's it's it's a major concern

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of mine is as the animals amongst other

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concerns. So, I appreciate your time and

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consideration. Thank you.

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>> Mr. Barney. Do you mind writing?

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>> Good evening. My name's Kimberly Smith.

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who already signed in.

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discuss some of the concerns over the

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potential development of the Flex Homes

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for Alington subdivision being presented

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this evening. As a homeowner that lives

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on an acre, as well as many of my

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neighbors here tonight, we have concerns

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over the home values, livestock, traffic

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issues, just to name a few. In theory,

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flex homes sound great. However, these

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homes are still very pricey from what

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development. I found several for sale at

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higher prices than the mid300s as being

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presented.

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people that that want the $350,000

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homes, most of them really want a

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completed home. With a completed home,

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the average I found one for $440,000.

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I I'm sorry, $444,000

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and one for $45,000.

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for a conventional home loan that's 20%

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down $80,000. This payment would be 200

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I mean $2,289

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plus an HOA. The next is a FHA loan

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which is 3.5% down at cost. That's

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$14,000

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$14,200 of a payment and their house

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payment will be at least 20 $2,881

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plus mortgage premium insurance which is

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about $500 a month. that totaling

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$3,381.

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affordable. It's maybe a little bit more

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affordable, but it's really not

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affordable. Also, Ephraim, their medium

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house prices are $100,000 cheaper than

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ours. So, if they're going for $400 and

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$450,000,

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this kind of price, I don't see how it

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won't end up being higher for closer to

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Salt Lake, things have a way of going

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this where there was no other

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pre-existing homes or neighborhoods.

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like we have. We have lots of vast

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properties out here that if we if if

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Gransville decided they wanted to do

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something like that, we do have space.

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Maybe not with this developer, but we

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could do it in another area where we can

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also provide parks, recreation, we can

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provide schools, places where people can

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walk, stores, just kind of like they do

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in Daybreak. So, it would be maybe

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something more than that. Where we're at

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right now, it's just not going to work

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with the busy traffic. There's no

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sidewalks. There's nowhere for people to

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walk and you're just adding more

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traffic. And so, people are going to

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have to drive cars. they won't be able

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to just walk and communicate, you know,

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work. So, what I'm just asking is if Joe

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White, which I didn't see here tonight,

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and the council would please consider a

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development that fits the existing homes

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nearby, perhaps sticking with the

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original approved plans in 2022 or 2023

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where we had the half acre lots and then

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they worked to the quarter and just we

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could do more. And even I think some of

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us have even said we wouldn't as as

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neighbors oppose him to do it all homes

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and not part commercial if you wanted to

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reszone it. I think that's how it was

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originally. So we're we understand

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development is coming. We understand he

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owns the land. He has the right. What

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we're just asking is putting these kind

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of homes next to our nice beautiful

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um places so dense with so much traffic

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is is it done? Okay. Um, thank you.

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very much.

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» I guess it's going to be my turn.

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[clears throat] I have quite a spill, so

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I'm trying to get through in three

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minutes. So, if I um Good evening, uh

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Mayor Hammond and council members. My

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name is Naen Hunt and I am a resident

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and property owner directly affected by

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the proposed residential development

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consisting of approximately 256 homes on

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33 acres. I recognize that property

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owners have development rights and that

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the reviewing authority must evaluate

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this application under the laws and

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ordinances applicable to the property.

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My objection is not based simply upon a

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dislike of development or change. My

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concern is whether a development of this

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density can be safely supported at this

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location without creating unreasonable

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impacts upon existing residents and

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public infrastructure.

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There are several concerns that deserve

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careful consideration before final

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approval. My concern is fire protection,

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fire suppression, and emergency

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response. Our town currently has roughly

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4,100 homes with 2700 additional homes

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already approved to be built and that

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does not include this proposed

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development. That raises an important

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question. Has our emergency response

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capacity grown at the same rate as the

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developments we continue to approve? We

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rely on a volunteer fire department with

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a limited number of firefighters, fire

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trucks, and ambulances. At the same

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time, both the number of homes they are

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responsible for and their geographic

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coverage have grown substantially.

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Has an emergency services capacity

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analysis been performed that consider

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that considers not only the homes that

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exist today but the thousands of homes

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already approved. What happens when

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there are simultaneous emergencies? A

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structure fire here while an ambulance

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or fire crew is already responding

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somewhere else. And as the physical area

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our emergency services must cover

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continues to expand, our current

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response times, staffing, equipment, and

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ambulance availability still adequate?

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There are also serious questions about

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physical access within this development.

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Can our existing fire trucks safely

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navigate the proposed streets and

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alleyways? Can our largest apparatus

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make the necessary turns and safely

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access every home? If vehicles are

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parked where residents will

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realistically park them, uh, and will vehic emergency vehicles still have

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adequate clearance, including space to

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safely turn around and exit. These

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questions should be answered through

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actual analysis and review, not

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discovered during an emergency. I am not

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asking the council to assume that our

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emergency services cannot handle this

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development. I am asking the council to

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require evidence that they can. I

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respectfully ask that these questions be

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fully answered before final approval

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because once these homes are built, many

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of the decisions being made today cannot

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easily be corrected. Thank you.

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>> Thank you. Ma'am, did you see that?

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>> You sent me.

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>> Okay.

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» Good evening, Mayor. Oh, sorry. Need to

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raise it up now. Uh, my name is Jeff

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Nestard. I live on Sun Valley Drive. I'm

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[clears throat] also here to talk about

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the Allington subdivision. The issue I

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want to bring up is the wastewater. Um

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part of the PUB application is the

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developer had to have a wastewater study

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done as we all know. Um that was done by

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Enzyme Peak. Um it actually stipulates

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in there that Grantsville's current

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treatment plant cannot cover the added

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uh waste that's produced. Um it says

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only once the new plant is in that it

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can adequately service it. Um, so if you

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approve the development now, my question

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is, does

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that open the city to litigation if

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there's delays on the plant built? I

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know that's in the works and it's

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supposed to be done by early 2028.

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But if you approve it now and the

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development could take 5 to 10 years to

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be built. We understand that. But what

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happens if there's a housing rush and

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the developer says, "I want to get these

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done in a year." and the city already

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okayed it, but now they can't provide

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the services for it. Does that open the

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city up for litigation, you know, you

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can't tell the developer, sorry, you

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don't get a build now, right? I I guess

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maybe you can, and that's more questions

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for you guys to answer. Um, but that

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that's my concern that I want to bring

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up. There's a ton of variances that this

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development's asking for, and this is

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just one of the ones that I saw that

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should really be looked at before

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approving. So, thank you for your time.

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>> Thank you,

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>> Jeff. Jeff.

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>> Oh, yeah.

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>> Should have came up and did it first.

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>> That's okay. I know your name. So,

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>> is there anyone else in in the audience

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here today that would like to make a

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comment?

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» Thank you.

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All right. Good evening, Mayor, city

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council members. My name is Marty Grant

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and I'm one of the residents on Cook

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Lane uh that will be going up next to

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this proposed development. Tonight I'm

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going to speak about the number and

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significance of the deviations being

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requested for the Alington development

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and what they mean considered

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altogether.

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So first of all is density. The proposal

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is for 256 detached homes on 34 acres.

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The comparison shows a baseline of about

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156 detached homes. This is roughly 100

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additional homes or mathematically a 64%

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increase.

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Second is lot size and frontage. The

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standard shown for detached single

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family homes is a 4,000 square foot

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minimum lot with 50 ft of frontage. Many

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of the proposed lots are actually

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smaller than 4,000 square ft with some

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as small as 680 square ft while frontage

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is reduced from 50 feet down to 30. So

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they're really cramming them in there.

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Uh third is setbacks and buffering. The

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proposal reduces multiple setbacks

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throughout the project. Front setbacks

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can be reduced from 25 ft down to 15

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feet and rear setbacks or private alleys

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can be as little as 5t.

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So the comparison also identifies a 30ft

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landscape buff for trees and privacy

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fencing along the project boundaries. So

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while the proposal shows only 7 ft. So

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that goes 30 ft down to seven. And then

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finally there is uh the commercial

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component. So 34 acre mixeduse PUD

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development um proposes only 3.05 acres

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of commercial property or roughly 9%

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altogether

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um despite substantially higher

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commercial percentages that have been

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identified in the development standards

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of the city. So the PUD standard as I

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read it is 25% and 50% under the mixed

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use standards. So 2550 down to nine.

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So overall when I look at the big

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picture my concern is not one isolated

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deviation it's a lot it's many um it is

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a commun commulative effect of

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everything altogether. So, the developer

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has asking the city to accept more

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homes, smaller lots, narrower frontage,

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reduced setbacks, dramatically reduced

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buffers,

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and a reduced commercial component in

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order to make this particular small lot

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housing product fit into this location.

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In my opinion, this is simply too many

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concessions for the city to make for one

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development. And this is only one of

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several concerns surrounding the

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Allington development that could affect

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Grantsville long after this project is

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built. For that reason, I ask city

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council to table this for tonight and

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schedule a joint working meeting with

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the planning commission to address these

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issues before final action is taken.

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Thank you for your time.

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>> Thank you.

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My name is Robert Smith. I moved here

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two and a half years ago. I live at 3928

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Sun Valley Drive. I'm a pastor in Magna

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and my main concerns is the well-being

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of children. There was a child killed on

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the corner of my house.

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Okay, everybody remember that, right?

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Okay, so here's the deal. Uh,

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that child came to Maverick and when he

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was going back, he hit a car. So, when

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you have all this stuff going on here,

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there's no sidewalks. The road is not

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prepared for that many people. There's

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no other place to go to get a drink or

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any snacks. And where are all those

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children going to go? I sit out there in

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the morning at I get up up and have

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coffee early in the morning and at 5:30

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it's stream that way coming home you

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can't even get out on that street for

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five minutes. So what's going to happen

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when all these kids that are not

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consciously paying attention to the

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traffic? We're going to have more

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incidences. Okay, that's my concern.

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What about the schools?

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Are the schools ready for this? I mean,

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we got other all these other things

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going on, these other places getting

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developed. Are the schools ready for

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this? Now, I'm not saying that to knock

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us. I'm just saying, hey, I've been in

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the construction trade all my life in

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management and I've watched and made

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sure everything was in order, anything

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we did. I just want to see everything

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done in order because Grantsfield is

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going to grow. I'm not against it

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growing. You understand what I'm saying?

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How about the first responders that's

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been brought up? The schools, um,

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the traffic, the stop signs, the lights.

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How about trails or place or sidewalks

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for kids to walk somewhere? There's the

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only thing that they can get to is that

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little mall right there and the

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Maverick. That's it. There's no

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walkways, no trails, nowhere. parks

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close.

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So, I'm asking, why are we putting all

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of this density in there with these

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small houses that is going to cause us

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more problems and more headaches down

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the road?

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How about the existing lots that are

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there? This was brought up. It's country

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living and then we're putting density

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houses right next to it.

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We're a small town. We're not a big

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city. Let it grow and develop it and

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stage it so that all those big

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apartments and all that stuff are in a

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place that grows out there how it should

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and let the ranchet people have their

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horses and their animals and put half

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inch or half acre lots next to it like

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the previous plan was. We could all

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agree to that.

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But I don't understand why all the

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density.

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You know, one last thing,

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these kids, I worry about them.

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I pray for them. I just pray something

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good comes and I pray that God would put

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his hand on this whole thing and make it

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right for everybody, even the even the

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contractor. But let's do it right and

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have mercy on grace on our kids so

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they're not killed in that street.

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>> Thank you.

548
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» Is there anyone else that would like to

549
00:24:57,919 --> 00:25:03,590
make a comment?

550
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,600
Anybody online? If you would like to

551
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,679
make a comment, please raise your hand

552
00:25:07,679 --> 00:25:10,559
and Alicia will call on you.

553
00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:14,549
>> Okay, we have

554
00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:20,310
Rick.

555
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:21,760
Hello.

556
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,039
>> There we go.

557
00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:24,240
>> Hello.

558
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,679
We can hear you.

559
00:25:25,679 --> 00:25:28,320
>> Okay. Right on. Hey, um I want to point

560
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,679
some things out. Uh historically,

561
00:25:31,679 --> 00:25:33,360
um what I would have called this would

562
00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:37,200
be a REUD, not a PUD. Um and they've

563
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,679
historically been rejected. Why? Because

564
00:25:39,679 --> 00:25:43,200
an agreement has already been made. Um

565
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,760
if we as the city changed our mind and

566
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,440
wanted the developer to do something

567
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,200
different, that probably wouldn't fly

568
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,480
very well. Okay. Um I was in the

569
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,320
meeting. Derek was in the meeting as

570
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,640
well. I'm sure he can remember some of

571
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,559
the discussion over the buffers. I think

572
00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:00,880
he was there at that time. Anyway, uh

573
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,039
they were a huge part of the discussion.

574
00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:04,960
That's why we ended up with halfacre

575
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,640
lots next to the existing housing. Um

576
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,200
they're supposed to be a biff a buffer.

577
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,679
Uh that's typically what we have done in

578
00:26:13,679 --> 00:26:16,880
the past was to actually require

579
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,360
the same lot size adjacent to the

580
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:23,520
existing. But in in this particular

581
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,840
case, it was compromised to halfacre

582
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:31,279
lots. Uh the other smaller lots um uh in

583
00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:36,480
the prior agreement were uh supposedly

584
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,600
affordable uh housing to put affordable

585
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,240
housing in and I guess that didn't work

586
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,320
out. Um because I don't see anything

587
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,760
being built there. That was 2022 if I

588
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,039
recall. uh ask the zoning administrator

589
00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:53,600
how many town homes are already approved

590
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,240
in the city of Grantsville to be built

591
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,400
or flex homes, whatever you want to call

592
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,039
them. They're basically town homes. The

593
00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:02,880
answer should be known to the city

594
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,880
council because it's provide uh

595
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,440
providing a variety of housing as

596
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,039
dictated by our city's general plan.

597
00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:15,039
Last but not least, um

598
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:16,960
there used to be a constraint at the

599
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,919
time of the MU zoning in which the prior

600
00:27:19,919 --> 00:27:24,068
agreement was made, which um

601
00:27:24,068 --> 00:27:24,720
[clears throat]

602
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,440
allowed only allowed the city to place

603
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,840
conditions to mitigate problems caused

604
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,720
by zoning code variances.

605
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,720
Um they had to be out uh allowed at the

606
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,320
time as outlined by state law. Uh the MU

607
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,880
code in our city has changed. Currently

608
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,880
code variations within the MU are purely

609
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,440
legislative action. Uh there is no

610
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,000
requirement to allow any variations to

611
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,600
the code. Examples that of this would be

612
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,039
setbacks, street widths, lot sizes,

613
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:02,559
buffers, etc. Um they're asking for tons

614
00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:04,960
of this in the name of affordable

615
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,720
housing. Um the reason for those

616
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:13,840
setbacks, street widths, etc. um have

617
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,200
been debated and debated and debated and

618
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,159
why would we be changing this just for

619
00:28:20,159 --> 00:28:22,399
this developer when we already have a

620
00:28:22,399 --> 00:28:25,840
development agreement in place with him?

621
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,480
Um that we have lots of plenty

622
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,440
affordable housing lots quote unquote

623
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,720
approved. Um, so either we'll get

624
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,960
affordable housing or not, that's really

625
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,200
up to the developer, not up to us as a a

626
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,039
city to provide that for a developer to

627
00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:48,960
build, right? Um, kind of like uh

628
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,960
affordable healthc care that kind of

629
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,640
didn't work out. Why? Because the

630
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,039
government infor in interfered, you

631
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:58,320
know, right? So, uh, the the fact that

632
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,440
you think you can legislate affordable

633
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,360
housing,

634
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,000
well, I guess that's the end of it. No,

635
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,880
if you can legislate affordable housing,

636
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,240
then um, you feel you're you're pretty

637
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,159
arrogant if you think you can. I don't

638
00:29:14,159 --> 00:29:16,399
think it's possible. The best thing to

639
00:29:16,399 --> 00:29:18,720
do would be to stick with the setbacks,

640
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,960
to force developers to build smaller

641
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:26,960
homes, and um, let it eat. Uh,

642
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,880
I would encourage the city council to

643
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,039
make it a priority to re-examine the MU

644
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:36,320
zoning. Uh, I have my number. You have

645
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,320
my number if you want suggestions for

646
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,320
this. The first would be the typo, which

647
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,399
allows someone

648
00:29:42,399 --> 00:29:44,559
uh who spent too much time around paint

649
00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:46,559
fumes to believe that 50% of the

650
00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:49,120
property on the main existing street was

651
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,600
to be commercial and not 50% of the

652
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,919
entire land mass. Please consult the

653
00:29:53,919 --> 00:29:57,039
minutes from the meetings at which this

654
00:29:57,039 --> 00:30:00,559
went through the planning commission and

655
00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:03,279
um it should have been an and or a

656
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:06,960
comma, right? And that was omitted. So,

657
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,760
uh by state law technically you can go

658
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:14,240
in and correct a typo without a um

659
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,520
without a uh announced meeting to do so.

660
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,279
And that's what I would suggest the city

661
00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:21,520
council do. Thank you.

662
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,520
>> Thanks, Rick. is can I just ask uh you

663
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:26,960
say your last name so I can get it for

664
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,279
the record please?

665
00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:31,039
>> Yes, it's Rick Bchers.

666
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:33,600
>> Okay. Just wanted to make sure. Thanks.

667
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,159
>> No worries.

668
00:30:36,159 --> 00:30:48,230
>> Anyone else online? Alicia.

669
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:54,470
» Okay. Any additional public comment?

670
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,399
All right, we will close we will close

671
00:30:56,399 --> 00:31:02,310
that agenda item.

672
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,480
Moving on to agenda item number two,

673
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,960
summary action items. We have the

674
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,120
approval of minutes from the July 15,

675
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,200
2026 city council regular meetings.

676
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,720
There any comments from the council

677
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:20,870
regarding that?

678
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,240
Mayor, I make a motion we approve

679
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,039
minutes from the July 15, 2026 city

680
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:26,880
council regular meeting.

681
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,880
>> Thank you. We have a motion by Council

682
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,960
Member Thomas. Is there a second?

683
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:31,760
>> I'll second.

684
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,679
>> Second by Council Member Dalton. All in

685
00:31:33,679 --> 00:31:35,919
favor?

686
00:31:35,919 --> 00:31:38,000
>> Next is the approval of minutes from the

687
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,880
August 5th, 2026 Truth and Taxation

688
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,430
public hearing.

689
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,440
Any concerns from the council regarding

690
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:48,640
those minutes?

691
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,320
>> I make a motion we approve the uh

692
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,320
minutes for the August 5th meeting.

693
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,760
>> You have a motion by council member

694
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:54,880
Butler. Is there a second?

695
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:55,600
>> I second.

696
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,440
>> Second by council member Williams. All

697
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:58,559
in favor?

698
00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:01,279
>> I.

699
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:03,120
>> The next item is the approval of the

700
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:12,389
bills.

701
00:32:12,399 --> 00:32:19,830
Any questions on the bills?

702
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,279
Mayor, I make a motion we approve the

703
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:22,159
bills.

704
00:32:22,159 --> 00:32:24,000
>> A motion by Council Member Butler to

705
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,000
approve the bills. Is there a second?

706
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:26,880
>> I'll second the motion.

707
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,799
>> Second by Council Member Skinner. All in

708
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:29,840
favor?

709
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,399
>> I.

710
00:32:32,399 --> 00:32:35,279
>> Thank you. Moving on to agenda item

711
00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:36,960
number three, which is a consideration

712
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,320
of resolution 2026-65,

713
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:41,840
appointing Shannon Nelson to the

714
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,640
Historic Preservation Committee.

715
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,240
Mayor actually make a motion that we

716
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,440
table this resolution to our next

717
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,320
meeting. She is not here and I'd like

718
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,600
her to be invited to this um for her

719
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,080
nomination and a potential approval.

720
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,320
>> Thank you. We have a motion to table

721
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,480
that item and I apologize to Shana that

722
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,760
I did not um make her aware that this

723
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,279
was on the agenda, but she's probably

724
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:09,360
going to appreciate it being the first

725
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,600
day of school and she does teach in our

726
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,279
school system. So, we're grateful to all

727
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:14,640
the teachers today that made it through

728
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,600
the first day and the parents.

729
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:18,480
>> I'll second that motion.

730
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,960
>> So, we have a a motion by Council Member

731
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,480
Butler, a second by Council Member

732
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,120
Thomas. All in favor to table this item?

733
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,880
>> I

734
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,399
>> thank you.

735
00:33:28,399 --> 00:33:30,720
We have a consideration item number four

736
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,440
of resolution 2026-61

737
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,760
approving a memorandum of understanding

738
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,600
with the Tilla County School District

739
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,080
for the school resource officer services

740
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,720
for the 2026 2027 school year. And thank

741
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,240
you Chief Sager.

742
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,120
>> Yeah, Mayor Council, this is an annual

743
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,960
contract that we presented before. I

744
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,240
think most of you have seen it. There's

745
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,679
a couple changes. Uh the price went up a

746
00:33:55,679 --> 00:33:57,679
little bit about $1,000 and then just a

747
00:33:57,679 --> 00:33:59,279
couple small changes in the the

748
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:01,600
verbiage, but if you have any questions,

749
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:07,190
I'll try to answer them.

750
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,280
I [clears throat]

751
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:10,480
we've been meeting with the school

752
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,839
district regularly. Um I I had probably

753
00:34:13,839 --> 00:34:17,040
just one question chief just maybe um

754
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,599
along the lines of you feel that is

755
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:22,240
working is what we are doing there

756
00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:24,399
currently working within

757
00:34:24,399 --> 00:34:25,679
>> it's hard

758
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:26,000
>> um

759
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,760
>> and or is it impacting yeah that was

760
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,200
kind of where I wanted to go with

761
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,800
>> I had this discussion today with our

762
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,720
investigations division because it pulls

763
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:35,599
one investigator out and it's in the

764
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:37,280
school they are in the school for nine

765
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:38,879
months and they have to spend most of

766
00:34:38,879 --> 00:34:40,560
their time there. So then our case load

767
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,879
goes up on our investigators at the

768
00:34:42,879 --> 00:34:47,119
office and so it's the uh they pay for

769
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:49,679
the officer but we actually kind of lose

770
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:51,200
an officer as well. So

771
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,800
>> that was the question I had. I know you

772
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,800
know we did from a budgetary standpoint

773
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,119
we didn't authorize another officer to

774
00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:00,480
come into play. So I just wanted to

775
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,760
I wanted your feel on how that taxes us

776
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,119
and you know are we

777
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:10,320
>> can we do this? Yes, we can. Um the

778
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:11,760
numbers will show and that was my

779
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,920
direction today is just make sure that

780
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,079
you keep up on your monthly stats and we

781
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:18,240
can show at the end of the year if any

782
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:20,720
case load goes up how it goes up and

783
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:22,720
then as we move forward it will show the

784
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:24,720
level of service needed and not only

785
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:28,480
that division and if it's worth having a

786
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,280
school resource officer if our budget is

787
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,560
um kind of like it was this year. So

788
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,160
yeah, but at this point I think it we

789
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,880
move we can move forward with this and

790
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,040
uh one more year

791
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,800
I'll just ask a a question of

792
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,839
clarification. So um Aspen uh this this

793
00:35:49,839 --> 00:35:51,920
money that comes into the city, this is

794
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,000
included in our budget, right? You have

795
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,160
this as an incoming

796
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:57,440
um that is going to the police

797
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,119
department, correct? The revenue.

798
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:00,960
>> Yes, that's correct. I can get you an

799
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,240
exact. Um, it's 103314

800
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:06,640
is the line. It's slightly

801
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,400
>> underbudgeted because it was budgeted

802
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,320
for the same amount that was last year's

803
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,359
contract. So,

804
00:36:11,359 --> 00:36:12,640
>> a little bit more.

805
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,079
>> Yeah. So, this year it's a little bit

806
00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:16,000
more, but it's small. It's in there at

807
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,839
103314 at $13,594.

808
00:36:19,839 --> 00:36:20,480
So,

809
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:21,680
>> there'll be a slight increase, but it is

810
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,200
in the budget currently.

811
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:23,680
>> Thank you.

812
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:24,160
>> Yeah.

813
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,839
>> A lot of the schools in have more than

814
00:36:25,839 --> 00:36:27,839
one school resource officer, right? I've

815
00:36:27,839 --> 00:36:30,400
attempted to get another school resource

816
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,240
officer for the junior high for multiple

817
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:35,680
years and been uh rejected. Um every

818
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,359
secondary school in Twilla County

819
00:36:37,359 --> 00:36:39,920
besides Grantsville has a secondary SRO

820
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,520
>> and our SRO spends time so I have to go

821
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:42,640
to the junior highlights.

822
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,079
>> That's some of the verbiage that changed

823
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:45,520
a little bit in here. I mean it says

824
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,760
yeah this SRO can't should respond at

825
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,440
the request of the district to secondary

826
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,079
schools. I think it's section 10 in

827
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:54,400
here. But yeah, we if something happens

828
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:55,760
at the school, they're responsible and

829
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,640
they go to every single school and we we

830
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,839
do want the officers there. So

831
00:37:01,839 --> 00:37:03,119
>> clarification, that's the school

832
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:06,079
district denying the offer. Correct.

833
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:07,359
>> Ask for that second officer.

834
00:37:07,359 --> 00:37:10,880
>> Yeah. Uh over multiple years. There was

835
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,560
actually a year where they had two

836
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,839
resource officers at uh Stanbury High

837
00:37:15,839 --> 00:37:17,839
School.

838
00:37:17,839 --> 00:37:19,119
>> Yeah.

839
00:37:19,119 --> 00:37:21,359
And then now they're at they're split

840
00:37:21,359 --> 00:37:24,400
the junior high and the high school.

841
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,330
>> I've got a question. Sorry. Um

842
00:37:27,330 --> 00:37:28,560
[clears throat] does what the school

843
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,280
district pay us does that cover us 100%

844
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:32,800
or be subsidizing any

845
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,680
>> if you do I did this analysis um and it

846
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,040
was approximately if you do fringe and

847
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,640
salary I believe it's around 90%.

848
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,359
which is which covers

849
00:37:45,359 --> 00:37:47,920
>> offsets the other months he's not in

850
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:48,720
school

851
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:51,200
>> but you also have that's just salary and

852
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,079
fringe you have vehicle [laughter] fuel

853
00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:55,680
uh the vehicle

854
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,839
>> you have their equipment their you know

855
00:37:57,839 --> 00:37:59,839
their technology their body cameras

856
00:37:59,839 --> 00:38:02,800
evidence storage um there's a whole

857
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,400
myriad things that cost not only our SRO

858
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,520
but our evidence staff storing it it's

859
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,359
just yeah we you [clears throat] could

860
00:38:11,359 --> 00:38:15,359
dive into that really deep

861
00:38:15,359 --> 00:38:17,760
>> and do we know is are they paying us the

862
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,800
same as the Twilla SRO officers?

863
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,640
>> Yes, there's one difference um with

864
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:27,040
Tilla City. They Tilla City sergeant is

865
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,280
uh paid um but he also is over a school

866
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:32,960
as well but they pay a portion for the

867
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,960
supervisor. That's one thing I also

868
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,400
wanted is u want to bring up. Well, we

869
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:39,920
have to supervise these people and it

870
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,400
takes our supervision u from our

871
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,320
investigation division to do that. So

872
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,599
there there's a there's a large cost. So

873
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:50,000
but you look at the other I I want an

874
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,599
officer in that school if something

875
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:56,160
happens. So yes, there's all this, but

876
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,560
the bottom line is if we can be there to

877
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,800
protect the kids and staff,

878
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,720
>> you know,

879
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:04,320
>> but how do we make it more fair and

880
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,000
equitable as the county and the city?

881
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:08,800
That would be

882
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,040
>> Would you say that the officer 100% of

883
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,480
their time during the school year is

884
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,400
dedicated to the school or as any of

885
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,400
their ancillary time? Is there any time?

886
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,040
We try to we try to divvy up them case

887
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,839
loads um so they can help and they will

888
00:39:21,839 --> 00:39:23,280
take anything that has to do with the

889
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:24,880
student case load.

890
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:25,359
>> Okay.

891
00:39:25,359 --> 00:39:27,119
>> But if

892
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:28,800
>> there's a little bit of overlap there is

893
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:29,359
a little bit

894
00:39:29,359 --> 00:39:31,599
>> and we try we try to we try to work it

895
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:34,000
to the most efficient way we can on but

896
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,240
if they work eight hours eight hours um

897
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:38,480
for 5 days a week that's their 40 hours.

898
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,640
if they have to go to a interview after

899
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,400
school or anything, then I'm paying

900
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,079
overtime, you know, because they have to

901
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:45,680
be there or I'm sending a patrol guy

902
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,040
over there to cover the school or

903
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,000
another investigator. So, it's just it's

904
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,040
just a continual process.

905
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,800
>> With more staff, it would help, but we

906
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,680
are where we are right now and we'll work through it and go further.

907
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:02,310
You guys know where we're at, so

908
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:03,599
» we here.

909
00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:08,470
>> Yeah, you guys know.

910
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,000
Mayor, I make a motion that we approve

911
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,320
resolution 2026-661

912
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,720
approving theou with Tula County School

913
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:17,599
District for the school resource officer

914
00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:22,560
services for the 2026 2027 school year.

915
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,480
>> Thank you. We have a motion by Council

916
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,560
Member Butler. Is there a second?

917
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:27,280
>> Second.

918
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,119
by Council Member Williams. All

919
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:30,320
in favor?

920
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:30,880
>> I.

921
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,390
>> Thank you.

922
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,720
The next item um agenda item number five

923
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:39,280
is the public hearing item. So the way

924
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,200
this will work is we will have a um a

925
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,359
presentation I'm assuming by Aspen. Is

926
00:40:43,359 --> 00:40:44,560
that correct?

927
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:45,119
>> Sure.

928
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:47,680
>> Um Aspen will give us just a brief

929
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,079
update on this. Then we will open it up

930
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:51,839
for comments if anybody would like to

931
00:40:51,839 --> 00:40:54,560
make a comment regarding just this item.

932
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,079
And then we will close it for a

933
00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:58,480
discussion for the council to make a

934
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:03,829
decision on agenda item number five.

935
00:41:03,839 --> 00:41:06,800
And we've looked at the budget a

936
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,400
thousand times, but

937
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:08,960
>> yeah. So,

938
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,800
>> just the one minute rendition.

939
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,880
>> Yeah. So, um this is just to approve the

940
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:19,280
final budget for our fiscal year 2027

941
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:20,960
um following our truth and taxation

942
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,240
hearing that we had on August 5th. So,

943
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:25,920
this just shows in the highlighted

944
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,839
section. Previously, we had had the

945
00:41:27,839 --> 00:41:30,480
additional property tax revenue that was

946
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,560
proposed should we move forward with the

947
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,920
increase budgeted in that 10311

948
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,319
line um because we had to show that it

949
00:41:38,319 --> 00:41:40,160
was budgeted separately in our interim

950
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,800
budget as to not be confused with

951
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,079
available budget. So this final budget

952
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:48,480
just shows that that what was in line

953
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,440
10311 is now going to be budgeted for in

954
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:52,960
103110

955
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,119
as it will be

956
00:41:55,119 --> 00:41:56,960
um assumed that we will receive it

957
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,560
during

958
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,480
uh when we receive property taxes. And

959
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,800
then this is the revenue side and then

960
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,319
Alicia if you scroll down to the parks

961
00:42:04,319 --> 00:42:08,160
and rec side um it's the only line

962
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:12,800
that's impacted in the expenses. Um,

963
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,040
yeah, it's a little ways down. Sorry.

964
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,680
>> That's okay.

965
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,280
>> It's also highlighted in yellow.

966
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:20,480
>> Oh, thanks. That will help.

967
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,720
>> Yeah,

968
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:25,280
>> right there. Um, this shows that we did

969
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,119
have previously in our interim budget,

970
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:29,760
it was budgeted in 106410. Again, that

971
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,760
TNT holding account just to show that

972
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,920
the additional revenue was held

973
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,520
separately. Um but it is now been it

974
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,440
will be budgeted for in the salaries and

975
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:40,800
wages, employee benefits and health

976
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,520
insurance lines accordingly. So those

977
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,280
are the three lines that are increasing

978
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,280
just in our final budget. Those are the

979
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,720
only changes from the already approved

980
00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:50,000
interim budget

981
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,720
>> for this final budget. So

982
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:54,160
>> okay, thank you.

983
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:54,560
>> Yeah.

984
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,319
>> All right. We will open it up to public

985
00:42:56,319 --> 00:42:58,160
hearing. If anyone would like to make a

986
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,480
comment regarding this item, uh now is

987
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,800
your opportunity.

988
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,670
Anyone

989
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,319
online? Alicia,

990
00:43:10,319 --> 00:43:12,160
>> you just want to remind them if you are

991
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,920
online and you'd like to make a comment,

992
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:23,349
if you will, please raise your hand.

993
00:43:23,359 --> 00:43:24,560
» No.

994
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,000
>> All right, we will close the public

995
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,480
hearing and move on to a discussion with

996
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,560
the council or a motion to approve or

997
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:36,950
deny.

998
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,640
I think we've talked about it enough.

999
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,800
>> You want to talk numbers? Mayor, I'd

1000
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,560
like to show that we approve resolution

1001
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,079
2026-60 adopting the final fiscal um

1002
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:48,880
year 2027 budget for Gransville City.

1003
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,560
>> We have a motion by council member

1004
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:51,680
Skinner. Is there a second?

1005
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:52,160
>> Second.

1006
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,000
by council member Butler. All in

1007
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:54,800
favor?

1008
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,480
>> I.

1009
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,589
>> All right.

1010
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:02,319
Moving to agenda item number six,

1011
00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:05,920
consideration of resolution 2026-64

1012
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,839
accepting the Rocky Mountain Power Blue

1013
00:44:07,839 --> 00:44:09,760
Sky funding award for the city's solar

1014
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,079
and battery project and authorizing the

1015
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:14,480
city manager and appropriate city staff

1016
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,359
to execute the award accept acceptance

1017
00:44:17,359 --> 00:44:21,280
agreement and related documents.

1018
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,680
>> Is are you speaking on this Michael? I

1019
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,839
want to inter we had Bill Cuomo and the

1020
00:44:25,839 --> 00:44:27,599
Rock Mountain Power Team and Blue Sky

1021
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:29,040
Grant people. I want them to come up

1022
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,040
here and have a say, but I wanted to say

1023
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,520
that when the last time Bill was here,

1024
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,599
he

1025
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:37,599
council authorized him to apply for the

1026
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:40,240
Blue Sky Grant and he he did that and

1027
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:42,800
the it came back as an award and so

1028
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,160
they're going to present that tonight

1029
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,760
and then the council will decide whether

1030
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,119
they want to accept that award and

1031
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:49,200
proceed with that the next phases and

1032
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:50,560
steps and Bill will kind of touch on

1033
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,319
that as well. So, if you guys want to

1034
00:44:52,319 --> 00:44:53,520
come up.

1035
00:44:53,520 --> 00:45:02,230
>> All right. Thank you and welcome.

1036
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:04,160
» So, this one's kind of fun. I mean, it's

1037
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,440
kind of been a heavy day and it's kind

1038
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,280
of fun to come up and say hello. Um,

1039
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,200
everybody knows me. I'm Nick Jenkins,

1040
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:12,960
wrestling coach, soccer coach, proud

1041
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,319
Gville city member. Um, this is a cool

1042
00:45:16,319 --> 00:45:18,319
thing. Uh as I don't know everybody

1043
00:45:18,319 --> 00:45:20,319
knows Blue Sky is an opportunity that

1044
00:45:20,319 --> 00:45:23,599
everybody that Rocky Mountain Power Rate

1045
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:25,119
base has the opportunity to contribute

1046
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:27,359
to a fund which is the Blue Sky fund and

1047
00:45:27,359 --> 00:45:30,079
this is an addition to their bill. And

1048
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:31,680
where this money comes from is if people

1049
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,800
pay it in to develop opportunities to

1050
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,200
develop renewable energy. It's an

1051
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:42,480
opportunity to better communities um

1052
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,000
make the world a better place. It's a

1053
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,440
pretty cool project. I don't know

1054
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:46,480
everybody has the opportunity to

1055
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,160
contribute to that. You can sign into

1056
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,240
that. Um with me today is my friend Bill

1057
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:53,839
Ko. Um Bill spent a lot of time working

1058
00:45:53,839 --> 00:45:56,560
with this program. Um when we looked at

1059
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,960
the program working with Jessica Dalton

1060
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,319
who's hiding in the back because she's

1061
00:46:00,319 --> 00:46:02,240
bashful. She is our blue sky project

1062
00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:04,800
manager. We looked at it and we needed

1063
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,800
to move quickly. There was a tax

1064
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,000
incentives that we were able to take

1065
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,319
play take advantage of two months ago

1066
00:46:10,319 --> 00:46:12,480
with Bill's help. Um, like I said, you

1067
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,599
authorized Bill to write the grant and

1068
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:17,119
I'm familiar with the numbers of what

1069
00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:19,119
we've done in the past and I think you

1070
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:20,400
guys should probably agree these numbers

1071
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:21,839
are spectacular.

1072
00:46:21,839 --> 00:46:23,520
>> Um, there was a lot of things the bill

1073
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,440
was able to do to help city. Um, I hate

1074
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,119
to say he's every penny you can get out

1075
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:30,987
of us, but I kind of think he did.

1076
00:46:30,987 --> 00:46:32,079
[laughter]

1077
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:34,160
But the nice part about it is so today

1078
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,760
as far as the award notified, but the

1079
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,119
check is for $1.25 million.

1080
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:47,430
So

1081
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,200
what this project is for, we all know

1082
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,640
that we've got an incoming water

1083
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,800
treatment facility coming in. We've

1084
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,560
mandated by the state. We're required to

1085
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,640
have it. The beautiful part about this

1086
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,640
is we're going to help offset the cost

1087
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,160
of putting in a solar field and a

1088
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,680
battery to offset the operational costs

1089
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,280
of that plant. So we can't stop the

1090
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,200
plant, but we can support it. We're here

1091
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:10,800
to help you. We're excited to team up

1092
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,359
with Grantsville City. Um, I think this

1093
00:47:13,359 --> 00:47:15,040
has been beyond a win-win and it's fun

1094
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,520
to be a part of. Um, is there anything

1095
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,240
you wanted to mention?

1096
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:23,440
>> Uh, I will say about the grant itself,

1097
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,119
um, they did do something that they

1098
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:27,760
haven't ever done in the past. $250,000

1099
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,560
of that 1.25 million is an upfront

1100
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,240
payment to help you get to the next

1101
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:35,520
phase. So, if you guys accept the award,

1102
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,839
you'll get $250,000 to move forward with

1103
00:47:37,839 --> 00:47:40,160
project development. and engineering

1104
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,079
which takes you to that phase three

1105
00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:44,560
period where you'll have actual

1106
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,440
contracts, more refined numbers, what

1107
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,280
the project would actually look like and

1108
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:50,800
then that would be your go no-go

1109
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,160
decision to actually perform on the

1110
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,599
project. So you still have one more

1111
00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:56,160
opportunity to take it to the next level

1112
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,640
and then based upon that information

1113
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,160
choose yes or no.

1114
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:03,839
>> Thank you. Thank you very much.

1115
00:48:03,839 --> 00:48:06,800
>> Yes. So any other questions we can

1116
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,400
answer to the council? We're happy to be

1117
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:09,200
here and y

1118
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:10,800
>> I appreciate Bill and Jessica driving

1119
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,000
out to stand with me today.

1120
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,599
>> Do any council members have questions

1121
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:18,720
for Bill or Nick?

1122
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:22,000
>> Um, a lot of times we see grants where

1123
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,000
we have matching funds.

1124
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,920
>> Um, I'm assuming that this isn't one of

1125
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,040
those. Obviously, if a project and once

1126
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,040
it's decided, once it comes before us,

1127
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:32,820
it may exceed that amount, but

1128
00:48:32,820 --> 00:48:33,839
[clears throat] that'll be on the city

1129
00:48:33,839 --> 00:48:35,839
to be able to to to pay for that to

1130
00:48:35,839 --> 00:48:39,280
>> cover the to uh to pay for the overage

1131
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,760
on that, but that's a that's an awfully

1132
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,200
big check, right? So, yeah, thank you.

1133
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,440
>> Yeah, thanks for the opportunity. Well,

1134
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,920
and just to address council uh council

1135
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:54,240
member uh red but

1136
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:56,480
councilman red. Um [clears throat] so

1137
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,720
the cool part about this is these awards

1138
00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:01,680
are awarded on merit an opportunity to

1139
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,040
complete and impact a community. So I

1140
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,040
mean this is huge for our little small

1141
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,200
community. I mean are we officially to

1142
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,760
17,000 yet? You [laughter] know, I know

1143
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,680
we doubled since I moved out here 10 11

1144
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,000
years ago, but at the same time, this is

1145
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,079
based on merit. This is based on impact

1146
00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:20,240
community, and you know, the Rocky

1147
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:21,520
Mountain slogan is powering your

1148
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,359
greatness, and that's what this is.

1149
00:49:23,359 --> 00:49:25,680
>> It's great. So,

1150
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,800
>> no, thank you. Um, and I know we went we

1151
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,960
went through the initiation portion of

1152
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,599
this, but I I Bill, if you wouldn't mind

1153
00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:35,280
maybe kind of walking through the

1154
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:36,480
process

1155
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,880
>> from a high level if if that's okay.

1156
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,680
Really quickly, just so just so that I

1157
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:46,240
think the more we allow the residents to get an understanding what Yeah, this

1158
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:48,240
is fantastic. and and I don't need you

1159
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:49,680
to spend a ton of time, but I think if

1160
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:50,800
you could just walk through a quick

1161
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,119
>> overview kind of how that process goes,

1162
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:54,319
you know, as you mentioned, there's

1163
00:49:54,319 --> 00:49:55,760
still a go no-go

1164
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,520
>> uh as we look at that and evaluate it,

1165
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,520
but this is a great this is a great step

1166
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:00,960
in the right direction. Thank you.

1167
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,359
>> Yes, when this opportunity came up and

1168
00:50:03,359 --> 00:50:04,880
we looked at it, we realized that we had

1169
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,359
to run really fast. within a four to six

1170
00:50:07,359 --> 00:50:09,280
week period, we pulled together an a lot

1171
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:10,960
of analysis to look at what the

1172
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,040
opportunity would be for you and your

1173
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,400
actions before July 4th of this year

1174
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,640
gave you the opportunity also for a 30

1175
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,200
to 40% tax credit on top of this

1176
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,760
project. So that was the first phase is

1177
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,839
do we even put in for a grant

1178
00:50:25,839 --> 00:50:28,480
opportunity and then also allow make a

1179
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,520
decision that qualifies for tax credits

1180
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,440
um if this project moves forward which

1181
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,680
had to be done by July 4th by you guys

1182
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,599
putting with the project that was phase

1183
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:40,400
one you you said yes then we moved

1184
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,800
forward with the grant mountain power

1185
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,359
came through with that grant uh this is

1186
00:50:45,359 --> 00:50:47,200
phase phase two where you evaluate the

1187
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,160
grant decide to move forward um then if

1188
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,559
you choose yes phase Three is where

1189
00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:55,119
advanced engineering and I'll call it

1190
00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:58,240
project development occurs is where it's

1191
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:00,880
vetting everything where the engineer

1192
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,960
come out here you look at the property

1193
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,040
you look at the runs and then you start

1194
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,480
doing pricing uh you do RFPs um you look

1195
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,200
at a contract for a contractor to be

1196
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,079
able to what those costs would be um and

1197
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:15,839
then a package would come to you and say

1198
00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:17,760
this is what it would look like here's

1199
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,520
what the cost would be and here's some

1200
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,400
contracts from the RFP P, which gets you

1201
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,000
to the end of phase three. And then

1202
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,839
phase four, the end of phase three is

1203
00:51:25,839 --> 00:51:27,839
the decision to move forward to um

1204
00:51:27,839 --> 00:51:30,480
construction. And that timing for phase

1205
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,119
three from um from now would actually be

1206
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:35,359
about up to eight months and then the

1207
00:51:35,359 --> 00:51:37,200
construction project could be up to a

1208
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,680
year. But the idea is to have it in uh

1209
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,559
have it target by the end of next year

1210
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:45,040
and align as closely as possible to the

1211
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,480
wastewater block treatment plant.

1212
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,079
>> Thank you. Thanks for doing that.

1213
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:52,640
>> Oh yes. Sound welcome.

1214
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,480
>> If it in phase three it became too

1215
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,920
expensive and we didn't we said no. Do

1216
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,760
we have to pay the 250,000 back?

1217
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,319
>> That's a Rock Mountain Power question.

1218
00:52:04,319 --> 00:52:06,720
>> The answer is no. I just want to make

1219
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:08,319
sure. The answer is no.

1220
00:52:08,319 --> 00:52:10,281
>> Didn't want to give my ski tips on that.

1221
00:52:10,281 --> 00:52:11,599
[laughter]

1222
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:13,200
>> It's a it's a it's a grant for

1223
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:14,400
development.

1224
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,319
>> Great.

1225
00:52:16,319 --> 00:52:22,160
out of fairness though that if if it's all about in good faith because

1226
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,359
those funds do go towards good projects.

1227
00:52:25,359 --> 00:52:28,480
So I would encou I mean

1228
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,480
approve the project if you intend if you

1229
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,720
feel like the economics that you saw

1230
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:34,240
made sense and it's something you move

1231
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:36,720
forward with. If not that's okay because

1232
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:38,079
we'll those those funds will get

1233
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:39,920
reallocated somewhere else. So I I do

1234
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,910
appreciate you asking that

1235
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,680
as we walk through that design process.

1236
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,280
We could probably look at options to VE

1237
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,640
or get it within a range that would not

1238
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,640
impact the citizens as well. So,

1239
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,400
>> or also to scale it.

1240
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:56,880
>> Yeah.

1241
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,920
>> So, make it smaller or bigger and

1242
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:00,400
>> Exactly.

1243
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,240
>> provide provisions down the road to be

1244
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:04,559
able to add to it if needs be. So, there

1245
00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:06,800
I think I think we've got I think we got

1246
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,231
a bunch of different options.

1247
00:53:09,231 --> 00:53:10,319
[clears throat]

1248
00:53:10,319 --> 00:53:11,839
>> Only we had an electrician on the

1249
00:53:11,839 --> 00:53:13,280
council. [laughter]

1250
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,081
>> No.

1251
00:53:17,091 --> 00:53:17,440
» [clears throat]

1252
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:18,480
>> What was the on?

1253
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:24,230
>> That's not a good one. [laughter]

1254
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:26,160
» And just the one thing to kind of keep

1255
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,040
in perspective, the return on

1256
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:30,240
investment.

1257
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:32,400
>> So the equipment's, you know, 25 30 year

1258
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:33,359
equipment.

1259
00:53:33,359 --> 00:53:35,040
>> I believe the ROI is five years.

1260
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:35,359
>> Yeah.

1261
00:53:35,359 --> 00:53:38,079
>> So after the five years, you're

1262
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:39,200
>> depending on where you go with it.

1263
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:40,480
>> Yeah. And that's including the tax

1264
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,000
credits as well. You got that built into

1265
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,200
the Yep.

1266
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,839
>> Yeah. just just kind of makes sense.

1267
00:53:45,839 --> 00:53:46,160
>> Yeah.

1268
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:47,280
>> Especially when you're getting tax

1269
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,599
credits and you're starting out with a

1270
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:52,079
big shot in the arm of $1.25 million.

1271
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:53,839
>> Is that friendship douche?

1272
00:53:53,839 --> 00:53:55,920
>> Yes, I consider that friendship now.

1273
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:03,190
>> All right. [laughter]

1274
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:03,839
» Thank you.

1275
00:54:03,839 --> 00:54:04,960
>> Any other questions?

1276
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,559
>> No, thank you.

1277
00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:09,280
>> Anyone want to make a motion?

1278
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,280
>> Was Mike?

1279
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,839
No, I reiterate all of that and it's

1280
00:54:13,839 --> 00:54:16,400
been great working with uh Bill and Roat

1281
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,440
Power. We are working on a contract with

1282
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,319
Mr. Ko to because we do want him to lead

1283
00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:24,960
us in this adventure of getting and

1284
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:26,400
securing all the funds and because he

1285
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:27,520
has all that experience. So, we're

1286
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,160
trying to uh finalize that. We weren't

1287
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:31,680
able to get that on this agenda, but we

1288
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,200
are trying to get that on the next one.

1289
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,680
Great.

1290
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,440
I make a motion we approve resolution

1291
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,280
2026-64

1292
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,359
accepting the Rocky Mountain Power Blue

1293
00:54:41,359 --> 00:54:44,000
Sky funding award for the city's solar

1294
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,319
and battery project and authorizing the

1295
00:54:46,319 --> 00:54:48,720
city manager and appropriate city staff

1296
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:51,280
to execute the award acceptance

1297
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,920
agreement and related documents.

1298
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,520
>> Thank you. We have a motion by council

1299
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,200
member Butler. Is there a second?

1300
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:57,920
>> I'll second.

1301
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,160
>> Second by council member Dalton. All in

1302
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:01,520
favor?

1303
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:02,480
>> Hi I.

1304
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,240
>> And we'd love a picture. Come on up.

1305
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:06,880
No, they're

1306
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:20,878
>> great.

1307
00:55:20,888 --> 00:55:25,190
[laughter]

1308
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,839
is part of the fun. Come on up.

1309
00:55:27,839 --> 00:55:36,598
>> Do it instead.

1310
00:55:36,608 --> 00:55:43,990
[clears throat]

1311
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:48,789
» All right. One, two, three. Say solar.

1312
00:55:48,799 --> 00:55:50,559
» Perfect.

1313
00:55:50,559 --> 00:56:02,549
Thank you.

1314
00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:03,920
Good to see you.

1315
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:17,109
>> St. Charles,

1316
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:18,640
» we've had some pretty good sized ones

1317
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,160
over the years, but that'll

1318
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,160
>> That's a good one. That's a

1319
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,880
>> that that one breaks the bank.

1320
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:29,030
That's good. It's a

1321
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,200
» All right, moving on to agenda item

1322
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,280
number seven.

1323
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,720
Consideration of ordinance 2026-27

1324
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:38,400
approving the Allington planned unit

1325
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,920
development located at approximately 948

1326
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,280
East Main Street, uh, SR138 within the

1327
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:49,040
mixeduse zoning district.

1328
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,000
Oh. Oh, hi Joe.

1329
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,920
>> Sorry. I wasn't sure if he was online or

1330
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,000
not.

1331
00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:00,640
Um, you want to scroll down and show the

1332
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:01,520
layout?

1333
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:07,030
>> Well, hold on.

1334
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:20,069
» The layout.

1335
00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:23,680
So, this um development did have a

1336
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,440
previous approval um back in 2022, I

1337
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,280
believe, and it did go through a few

1338
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,520
reiterations, which I've included in the

1339
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,599
staff reports of both the meeting

1340
00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:36,720
minutes, resolutions, and prior layouts

1341
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,920
of this um development. In the planning

1342
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:40,960
commission meeting, there were

1343
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,760
discussions um about the property that

1344
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,319
is still in Twilla County. So, it's not

1345
00:57:46,319 --> 00:57:48,400
um Sun Valley Drive is not within

1346
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:52,240
Grantsville City boundaries. So, our um

1347
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,200
animal setbacks and and things like that

1348
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,799
do not apply to Sun Valley. Um so, we

1349
00:57:58,799 --> 00:58:00,640
wouldn't be restricting how far they

1350
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,240
need to set back. That would be up to

1351
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,040
Twilla County. um in the planning

1352
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:06,640
commission meeting that was addressed in

1353
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:11,599
our MDA. Um I believe it was um G3 in

1354
00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:12,960
the MDA, but that is something that

1355
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,280
we'll address um on the next agenda

1356
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,160
item. We address the fence height. We

1357
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,119
put added language in there that um you

1358
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:24,160
know restricts the um owners of the

1359
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,280
Ellington subdivision from complaining

1360
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,200
about the animals or animal smells or

1361
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,839
any nuisances um of the individuals who

1362
00:58:31,839 --> 00:58:33,440
live on Sun Valley Drive. We also

1363
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:37,440
required a 7T um fence along the western

1364
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,799
side and the southern side of this

1365
00:58:40,799 --> 00:58:44,160
development. Uh we left the eastern side

1366
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,240
open because it is an open field and

1367
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,200
connectivity for a potential future

1368
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,760
development if that next property ever

1369
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,839
develops out. This is um composed of I

1370
00:58:55,839 --> 00:58:59,119
believe 256

1371
00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:02,400
or 255 units

1372
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,880
um and

1373
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,839
which is an increase of the prior

1374
00:59:07,839 --> 00:59:09,440
approval. It does have the commercial

1375
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,240
area which is required in our MU. Um and

1376
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:13,920
they are asking for the deviations.

1377
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,799
That's no secret. Um on the next page,

1378
00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:18,880
if you'll scroll down one, I have

1379
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,599
included the deviation table as well as

1380
00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:25,680
highlighted um specific areas that are

1381
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:26,960
not meeting the code. And I have

1382
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,000
provided um what our code says on the

1383
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,280
left and there it goes um have

1384
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:34,480
highlighted the areas that are not

1385
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,680
meeting the code on the right

1386
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,880
in blue and and other colors. Did you

1387
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:53,829
guys have any questions?

1388
00:59:53,839 --> 00:59:56,000
And I did want to point out that this is

1389
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,559
zoned in the MU. So they do they are

1390
00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:02,000
allowed um for smaller lots. So you know

1391
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,400
single family lots are 4,000 square ft

1392
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,240
and multifamily

1393
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,359
um lots are 2400 ft². They do have

1394
01:00:09,359 --> 01:00:11,920
smaller bufferings, lot sizes, setbacks

1395
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,319
and things like that. But the MU can be

1396
01:00:14,319 --> 01:00:15,760
more restrictive as far as requiring

1397
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,000
commercial um open space and other

1398
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:22,470
items.

1399
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,640
» Do you feel like that this um proposal

1400
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,720
that we have in front of us today is

1401
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,319
hitting the mark in regards to the

1402
01:00:28,319 --> 01:00:32,079
commercial aspect?

1403
01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:33,920
>> I mean I feel like it's a little light.

1404
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,359
It could, you know, we could provide

1405
01:00:35,359 --> 01:00:36,799
more commercial like where the RV

1406
01:00:36,799 --> 01:00:39,040
contractor parking is or even over where

1407
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,920
the storage units are. Um or we could

1408
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:43,599
leave that. I mean, the storage units

1409
01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:46,480
and the RV contractor parking could be

1410
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,520
considered a commercial um use in that

1411
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,559
aspect. It also doesn't make sense to

1412
01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:55,119
line all of what you can see is

1413
01:00:55,119 --> 01:00:57,440
Allington Way with commercial when

1414
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,119
that's not the main corridor. The main

1415
01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:03,680
corridor is SR 138. Um, and that's where

1416
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:04,960
you want your commercial. That's where

1417
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,720
commercial wants to come. And you're not

1418
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,319
going to want to put it down by Dery

1419
01:01:08,319 --> 01:01:12,880
Street on Allington uh way. So, I I feel

1420
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:14,240
like we're there. It might be a little

1421
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,559
on the short side, but that's ultimately

1422
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:19,359
up to city council on that discretion.

1423
01:01:19,359 --> 01:01:24,880
Um, these flex homes are very neat. So,

1424
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,680
um, these homes come in different, uh,

1425
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,319
designs and layouts, and I don't know if

1426
01:01:30,319 --> 01:01:32,960
you want to look that up on, um, Google,

1427
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:36,000
you can just type in flex homes in Utah.

1428
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,359
Um, but

1429
01:01:39,359 --> 01:01:41,920
the homeowner can either have just the

1430
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,640
home built and then the footings and all

1431
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,799
the electrical and plumbing is already

1432
01:01:46,799 --> 01:01:49,440
stubbed in. So, if they want to um

1433
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,599
refinance and add an addition, whether

1434
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:53,680
it's a garage, a patio, or maybe a

1435
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:55,839
garage with an ADU or an office or they

1436
01:01:55,839 --> 01:01:58,400
need to expand their house, all of the

1437
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,720
footings and everything is there. So,

1438
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,119
it's an easy addition for that

1439
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:05,200
individual or that homeowner to be able

1440
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,440
to add on. And so, it really does make

1441
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,000
these homes very affordable in that

1442
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,400
sense.

1443
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:16,630
Um, we just go to all

1444
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:20,400
and go to keep going. Um, sorry, scroll

1445
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:21,680
just a little bit and click on flex

1446
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:26,069
ready homes

1447
01:02:26,079 --> 01:02:30,150
and then scroll to the bottom.

1448
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:34,000
Scroll up just Oh, no. Keep going.

1449
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:34,799
Go.

1450
01:02:34,799 --> 01:02:36,160
>> Okay. Sorry. Scroll up just a little

1451
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:36,480
bit.

1452
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:37,760
>> Presentation deck.

1453
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,480
>> Yeah.

1454
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,960
>> Before you move on, this is a website

1455
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:44,480
representing the actual

1456
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,079
developer/contractor.

1457
01:02:46,079 --> 01:02:49,839
>> No. Um, this is representing the home

1458
01:02:49,839 --> 01:02:52,160
style that is being placed on this. We

1459
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:53,440
just want to press.

1460
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:57,119
>> So, okay.

1461
01:02:57,119 --> 01:03:01,119
This illustrates a flex design. I guess

1462
01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:03,839
>> I have my mute on because of Yeah. No,

1463
01:03:03,839 --> 01:03:26,789
you're fine. Me, too. Can actually still

1464
01:03:26,799 --> 01:03:32,230
maybe loading.

1465
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:36,559
» So, this is just an example of

1466
01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:40,079
the layout. Um, not not this specific

1467
01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:43,039
layout, but they just drew um a layout

1468
01:03:43,039 --> 01:03:44,799
for Twilla County when we were speaking

1469
01:03:44,799 --> 01:03:48,640
with uh the Flex Home

1470
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:57,190
Group.

1471
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,480
No. All right.

1472
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,000
I don't know. I can't see the password

1473
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:06,240
on it. I don't know if you can. Oh,

1474
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,799
>> maybe drag it a little bit.

1475
01:04:08,799 --> 01:04:09,599
>> I was I had

1476
01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:13,200
>> Will you pause it? Actually,

1477
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,119
>> so before she paused it, you could see

1478
01:04:15,119 --> 01:04:18,400
that um the home had a gap in between it

1479
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:19,760
and then the crotch. So that was the

1480
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:21,599
home. Then you had a patio and then they

1481
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:23,359
were able to add the garage on. So all

1482
01:04:23,359 --> 01:04:25,440
the footings you can play again. All the

1483
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:29,039
footings um were on there.

1484
01:04:29,039 --> 01:04:31,920
And so this home here has the house and

1485
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:33,599
then the extension of the garage on the

1486
01:04:33,599 --> 01:04:36,799
back. You can just keep going.

1487
01:04:36,799 --> 01:04:38,559
And then this home here has the patio

1488
01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:40,880
and the garage behind. Um but they can

1489
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,680
also extend that further. Yes, these are

1490
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:47,680
um slab on grade twotory homes up

1491
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:51,680
um which does make it affordable in that

1492
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:53,039
sense that they're not digging a

1493
01:04:53,039 --> 01:04:57,760
basement and um going that route.

1494
01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,599
And then once this camera will actually

1495
01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:01,039
flip around, you'll see the backside of

1496
01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:02,799
how they're entering like where they can

1497
01:05:02,799 --> 01:05:05,039
park the homes, what the other additions

1498
01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:08,000
look like, um and the design and layout

1499
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:12,000
of these houses. They are fronted by um

1500
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:13,520
two streets. So you'll have your main

1501
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,640
road and then you'll have an alleyway um

1502
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,359
that they will use to park. So like that

1503
01:05:19,359 --> 01:05:21,680
greenhouse was just the house, but you

1504
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:23,039
seen the footings to where they could

1505
01:05:23,039 --> 01:05:25,839
add maybe expand the house or add the

1506
01:05:25,839 --> 01:05:32,390
garages to it.

1507
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:35,760
So if ADUs are allowed, are we doubling?

1508
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,640
Instead of 255 families, we're cramming

1509
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:40,720
500. And

1510
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,920
um sorry, I did the math. An additional

1511
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:46,079
255 families in here.

1512
01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:48,480
>> Well, it's not a separate house. So, I

1513
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,319
mean, yeah, you could have your, you

1514
01:05:50,319 --> 01:05:52,240
know, your mom live with you, but what's

1515
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:54,079
the difference between you having an ADU

1516
01:05:54,079 --> 01:05:58,160
in your basement versus them having it

1517
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,039
on their house? Uh, we also do have

1518
01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:02,880
requirements for ADUs as far as

1519
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:06,559
restricting lot sizes. And so these

1520
01:06:06,559 --> 01:06:07,920
wouldn't comply with the ADU

1521
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,880
requirements.

1522
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:11,839
>> I believe the minimum

1523
01:06:11,839 --> 01:06:12,720
>> mute issue.

1524
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:13,200
>> Yes.

1525
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:15,895
>> Okay. And stop saying ADUs. Right.

1526
01:06:15,895 --> 01:06:20,710
[laughter]

1527
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:25,109
» You can pause it.

1528
01:06:25,119 --> 01:06:27,440
» I had a question regarding like I know

1529
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,079
they're like modular. So, if you back up

1530
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:31,359
a little bit, you can obviously see

1531
01:06:31,359 --> 01:06:33,839
where the foundations

1532
01:06:33,839 --> 01:06:36,160
come out and they've finished them with

1533
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:39,520
something to make them look presentable.

1534
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:42,319
Is that is that how that would look or

1535
01:06:42,319 --> 01:06:44,160
would it look just like a gray

1536
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,480
foundation there with bolts sticking out

1537
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,160
of it type of

1538
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,079
>> No, it would be finished that way.

1539
01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:51,680
Obviously, you don't want the bolts

1540
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,880
>> and I really apologize for that, but my

1541
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:59,920
first thought when I looked at this was the kids. Um

1542
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:03,520
and and the safety of each family at I'm

1543
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:05,119
going to be really conservative. If each

1544
01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:09,359
house has two kids, there's 500 kids

1545
01:07:09,359 --> 01:07:12,160
coming into this development.

1546
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:14,480
Can

1547
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:17,839
I'm just worried. Will you point out

1548
01:07:17,839 --> 01:07:19,280
where they're going to play catch

1549
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,720
outside, where the where the open space

1550
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:24,880
is, where they're going to play,

1551
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:26,799
>> where the walking trails is, and I'd

1552
01:07:26,799 --> 01:07:29,520
just love to hear what HOA manies there

1553
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,200
are.

1554
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,599
>> Let me zoom out. So,

1555
01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:35,760
>> need that pointer.

1556
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:38,559
>> Um, right here is the main open space

1557
01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:42,240
area. Has a total

1558
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,880
layout. So until we get to the the

1559
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:46,559
nitty-gritty of the preliminary and the

1560
01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:48,160
final,

1561
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,160
it's hard to say how wide that is and

1562
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:51,440
where that's at. Yeah, we're able to

1563
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,119
measure some, but that's always going to

1564
01:07:53,119 --> 01:07:56,240
adjust once you get into the survey.

1565
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,160
And then on this side, this strip

1566
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:03,029
extends further.

1567
01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:05,119
This opens up. You have to, you know,

1568
01:08:05,119 --> 01:08:06,640
pick a ball court or something along

1569
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,920
this way. And we can fill this space in

1570
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,559
as well. But I mean, those are decisions

1571
01:08:12,559 --> 01:08:14,079
ultimately up to council as far as what

1572
01:08:14,079 --> 01:08:15,520
amenities they want. Do they feel like

1573
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,080
it's enough open space? Do you guys want

1574
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:18,480
more?

1575
01:08:18,480 --> 01:08:20,000
>> Is that a retention basin right there

1576
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:21,120
that you just pointed to?

1577
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,359
>> This is a retention basin. And then down

1578
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:24,560
further,

1579
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,080
>> there's one on the other side.

1580
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:27,520
>> Yeah, I believe there's two on the other

1581
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,950
side.

1582
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:33,920
» So, do how big is that where the trees

1583
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:37,600
are? How big? I tried to find that.

1584
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,560
What's the How big is that? If you give

1585
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:42,560
me a second,

1586
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:46,080
>> that would be the measure.

1587
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:49,359
>> The the street width is 27 feet. Looks

1588
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:50,400
about the same.

1589
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:56,950
>> Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

1590
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:05,910
» 20 ft. Not a lot.

1591
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:07,440
It says [clears throat] there's 6.8 8

1592
01:09:07,440 --> 01:09:10,400
acres of open space area.

1593
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:12,159
>> Looks like the majority of which would

1594
01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:15,440
be retention basins.

1595
01:09:15,440 --> 01:09:16,480
>> There's four of them, right?

1596
01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:16,799
>> Yeah,

1597
01:09:16,799 --> 01:09:18,080
>> that's what she pointed out.

1598
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:29,749
>> Mhm. Correct.

1599
01:09:29,759 --> 01:09:32,480
» Are there any concept design? Are all

1600
01:09:32,480 --> 01:09:34,640
the homes within this flex?

1601
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:35,520
>> Yes.

1602
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,799
>> Okay. So, it's about 36 feet from the

1603
01:09:38,799 --> 01:09:41,600
sidewalk to the sidewalk.

1604
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,640
>> So, no real mixed use of of of home

1605
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:48,960
styles in this. I mean,

1606
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:50,960
>> I mean, there's a mix of lot sizes. So,

1607
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:52,400
like if you want to zoom out, ask Aspen,

1608
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:54,960
so we can or Alicia, sorry. So, that we

1609
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,199
can see the whole I mean, you're going

1610
01:09:57,199 --> 01:09:59,840
to have your full layout, which is um

1611
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:01,440
you have your like your red, your green,

1612
01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:03,760
and your yellow um which is a larger

1613
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:06,400
lot. And then you have your smaller um

1614
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:09,199
single lots that are down on the west

1615
01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:11,600
side. And then you have your, you know,

1616
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,480
I mean, they do vary in style and type

1617
01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:17,600
throughout, but it's not um, you know, a

1618
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:19,920
half acre and a quarter acre and town

1619
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:30,550
homes.

1620
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:32,159
you hit on the deviations and I think

1621
01:10:32,159 --> 01:10:33,440
we've looked at them, but I just would

1622
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:34,640
like to talk a little more about the

1623
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,199
sideyard deviations and what we have

1624
01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:40,640
there and just kind of what the

1625
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,760
differences are.

1626
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:47,030
>> Yeah.

1627
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:48,080
» Um, so

1628
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:50,080
>> because I see some that are super close.

1629
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:51,199
Yes. Yes.

1630
01:10:51,199 --> 01:10:52,640
>> And then I see others that are a little

1631
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:54,320
further away. And even in your YouTube

1632
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:57,360
video, it looked like it looked like it

1633
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:00,320
had more more space in between the homes

1634
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,120
than what I'm seeing on here.

1635
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,440
>> So the interior sideyards, they are

1636
01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:10,159
requesting a 5ft sideyard setback. Um,

1637
01:11:10,159 --> 01:11:13,600
typically it would be 7 and 1/2 ft. on

1638
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:17,360
the corner sideyard, which is a 25- ft

1639
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:20,159
um front yard sideyard. They are asking

1640
01:11:20,159 --> 01:11:22,560
15 ft to the living space or 20 ft to

1641
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:24,400
the garage with side triangle

1642
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,000
verification.

1643
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:27,920
And the side set back to property

1644
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:31,520
boundary, they're asking for 10 ft.

1645
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:33,440
Um and then the front yard, they're

1646
01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:35,520
asking for 15 feet to the living space

1647
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:37,760
and 20 feet to the garage. Alley parking

1648
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:44,870
access, 10 feet to the living space.

1649
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:46,719
So I just want to read one thing from

1650
01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:49,840
our mixeduse ordinance. Um under the

1651
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:51,520
purpose and intent it says developments

1652
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,920
in the mixeduse zone shall be designed

1653
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,239
so as to integrate the residential and

1654
01:11:56,239 --> 01:11:59,040
commercial components into a harmonous

1655
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,760
develop development and be to be

1656
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,080
compatible with the existing or

1657
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:06,000
anticipated uses of the surrounding

1658
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:07,760
properties.

1659
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:13,830
And I don't see that with this concept.

1660
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:19,030
Um,

1661
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:21,040
shall we maybe walk us back? So, this

1662
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:24,800
went through a process in 2022.

1663
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:26,480
Um,

1664
01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:28,239
>> do we have that concept plan that we

1665
01:12:28,239 --> 01:12:30,159
could pull up, Alicia?

1666
01:12:30,159 --> 01:12:32,719
>> Can you see this one, right?

1667
01:12:32,719 --> 01:12:34,239
>> And you weren't involved with this in

1668
01:12:34,239 --> 01:12:35,280
2022.

1669
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,600
>> Okay. just to make sure that you know

1670
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:38,640
you're

1671
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:40,239
>> she can go back to the notes and the

1672
01:12:40,239 --> 01:12:42,640
meeting minutes, but she was not

1673
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:43,920
>> in the position she's in.

1674
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:49,270
>> Okay.

1675
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:52,239
» Did you upload the staff report?

1676
01:12:52,239 --> 01:12:54,159
>> Um,

1677
01:12:54,159 --> 01:12:56,880
>> was there report?

1678
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:01,120
>> I believe so. Yeah. No, it's not enough.

1679
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:02,719
>> I know. I was in attendance at that

1680
01:13:02,719 --> 01:13:05,840
meeting, just attending and yeah, it's

1681
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:12,149
very different from what this is.

1682
01:13:12,159 --> 01:13:37,110
It was uploaded into your Google form.

1683
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:38,800
I'll just say this. I you you'll get it

1684
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:41,679
eventually. Um so why is it vastly

1685
01:13:41,679 --> 01:13:44,000
different? Why why did we what made us

1686
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,400
shift gears? What's the what's the

1687
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:47,920
reasoning for it? I

1688
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,480
>> think that's a question Joe can answer.

1689
01:13:50,480 --> 01:13:53,920
>> Welcome. Thank you. Yeah, I'd like to

1690
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:58,239
address that. Um, in 2022,

1691
01:13:58,239 --> 01:14:01,600
Gransville City uh came to me and uh we

1692
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:03,920
were working on this plan and and did

1693
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:05,360
some Gransville City wanted to put a

1694
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:09,520
sewer line through that property and uh

1695
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:11,280
of course

1696
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,199
the Romney group, you know, threatened

1697
01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:14,480
condemnation, all that stuff and I knew

1698
01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:16,640
they couldn't do that. But so I got an

1699
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:18,960
agreement with the city to serve this

1700
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:22,960
property for 254 lots

1701
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,199
um [clears throat] knowing that I would

1702
01:14:25,199 --> 01:14:27,280
pay that I would pay a proportionate

1703
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:31,360
back to the city uh uh when we got

1704
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:34,400
approval. But the agreement with or with

1705
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:36,880
Grantsville City said that we just

1706
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:38,800
wanted they if I granted them the

1707
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:40,480
easement they would give me the

1708
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:42,320
connections. there would be no fee on my

1709
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,480
end for

1710
01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:45,440
uh [clears throat]

1711
01:14:45,440 --> 01:14:48,320
the sewer capacity there. Well, all of a

1712
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,239
sudden, I get a bill from Romney's for

1713
01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:52,960
half a million dollars. I'm like, wait a

1714
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:54,159
minute, that's not our agreement, and

1715
01:14:54,159 --> 01:14:56,560
there's no signed agreement. Uh they

1716
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:57,600
keep telling me that there's an

1717
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,400
agreement, but I told them, you know,

1718
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:01,840
paperwork speaks for itself. So, I met

1719
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:04,640
with Grantsville City, uh met multiple

1720
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,679
times, we went through it. We we will be

1721
01:15:07,679 --> 01:15:10,000
paying back the sewer with with this

1722
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:15,120
design. Um and it's in the MDA to to pay

1723
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:18,719
it back. Uh but to pay to pay that just

1724
01:15:18,719 --> 01:15:20,719
because

1725
01:15:20,719 --> 01:15:23,760
um I I believe that the second part of

1726
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:27,600
this is the I know it's a lot of units.

1727
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,159
There's no you know doubt about that.

1728
01:15:30,159 --> 01:15:33,760
And the variances come with some give

1729
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:36,320
and take. So the the property's

1730
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,640
permitted like I can build right now

1731
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:43,679
permitted without a PUD 255

1732
01:15:43,679 --> 01:15:47,760
town homes 10 packs. Awful.

1733
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:51,440
Um they're they're town homes are not

1734
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:53,440
they're not really good resellers. Uh

1735
01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:55,600
they're they're not good long-term uh

1736
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,560
economic they don't hold their value.

1737
01:15:58,560 --> 01:15:59,199
So we [clears throat] met with

1738
01:15:59,199 --> 01:16:01,199
Gransville City, what's it a year and a

1739
01:16:01,199 --> 01:16:02,800
half ago? absolutely

1740
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:04,080
>> a year and a half ago and started

1741
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:05,840
talking about what this property could

1742
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:08,800
be used for and uh instead of just

1743
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:10,320
putting that on there, we came up with

1744
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:12,480
this and I I know the word modular was

1745
01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:14,640
used. It's not a modular they're not

1746
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:16,719
modularly built. They're they're stick

1747
01:16:16,719 --> 01:16:18,320
frame

1748
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,560
uh construction. They have the same

1749
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,440
components as a regular house. We we

1750
01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:26,400
believe that the single family

1751
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:28,239
uh component to this is much better than

1752
01:16:28,239 --> 01:16:32,000
a town home or apartments or condos.

1753
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,560
Uh so there is some deviation but it's

1754
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,440
not it's it's not going above and beyond

1755
01:16:37,440 --> 01:16:39,040
what is already permitted on the

1756
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,199
property.

1757
01:16:41,199 --> 01:16:43,840
So uh with that being said we've tried

1758
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:45,360
to leave trails. We've tried to leave

1759
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:50,080
commercial. I I don't know very many I'm surprised that Soulbergs went on

1760
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:51,840
Dery. I hope it I hope it really works

1761
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:53,199
and I think the growth if it goes that

1762
01:16:53,199 --> 01:16:55,440
way I don't know many places if you look

1763
01:16:55,440 --> 01:16:58,640
at Tilla or even other places where

1764
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:01,360
anything back 1,000 ft or 500 ft from

1765
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:04,000
the main main road becomes very viable

1766
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,880
commercial most of it is right there on

1767
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,360
the frontage. Um so we've tried to be

1768
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:12,239
aware of that. We've tried to uh be

1769
01:17:12,239 --> 01:17:14,800
cognizant of providing a really good

1770
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:17,440
project and you know you talk about kids

1771
01:17:17,440 --> 01:17:19,199
where are the kids going to go? Let's

1772
01:17:19,199 --> 01:17:22,800
look. Where are they now?

1773
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,840
Where are these kids now?

1774
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:27,120
>> They're living in basements. Their

1775
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:28,800
parents ba or you know grandparents'

1776
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:30,080
basements. They're living in apartments

1777
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:32,719
where the same the same dynamic exists.

1778
01:17:32,719 --> 01:17:35,840
It's not like um you're taking kids on 5

1779
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:38,080
acre lots and putting them here. This

1780
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:41,120
gives them an area to call their own to

1781
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:44,480
be a home where maybe they don't ever

1782
01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:46,960
get that. So, I know there's concerns

1783
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:48,480
about

1784
01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:50,480
um

1785
01:17:50,480 --> 01:17:52,480
uh the things that are there, but we've

1786
01:17:52,480 --> 01:17:54,800
worked really hard uh to make this

1787
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,360
amanable with a lot of collaboration

1788
01:17:57,360 --> 01:18:00,000
with the city, with the city engineers.

1789
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,960
Um we've looked at all the sewer, all

1790
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:05,920
the things that uh has been talked about

1791
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:07,520
tonight

1792
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:11,040
has been addressed by them. And so, it's

1793
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:12,640
not I mean, we just didn't throw this

1794
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:13,920
together thinking, "Oh, this will be

1795
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:15,600
good." We really have spent a lot of

1796
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,320
time seeing what will keep what can meet

1797
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:20,960
our our needs, what will help us pay

1798
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:22,880
back the sewer for the city at a half a

1799
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:24,719
million dollars, and what's a good

1800
01:18:24,719 --> 01:18:28,239
long-term project for people to to have

1801
01:18:28,239 --> 01:18:30,800
a place to live. And we we found that

1802
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:32,960
detached housing

1803
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:35,760
with a sideyard, even if it's 5t or 6

1804
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:37,840
feet, is better than attached housing in

1805
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:40,159
a town home project. It their resale

1806
01:18:40,159 --> 01:18:41,840
values are better. They build equity

1807
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:44,480
faster. And so this is what we what we

1808
01:18:44,480 --> 01:18:53,910
kind of settled on.

1809
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,719
Alicia, how many units are I'm probably

1810
01:18:56,719 --> 01:18:58,239
just missing it, but how many are in

1811
01:18:58,239 --> 01:19:02,950
this approved layout from 2022?

1812
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:03,840
» Anyone know?

1813
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:23,910
>> 72, I think.

1814
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:26,489
Do you know that?

1815
01:19:26,489 --> 01:19:28,870
[clears throat]

1816
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:32,000
» I can tell.

1817
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:36,070
Yes.

1818
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:41,750
Was

1819
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:52,790
it 126 + 235?

1820
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:59,990
I think it was 72 units.

1821
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,480
» Certainly not 2006, right?

1822
01:20:02,480 --> 01:20:05,199
>> No, but I I'm not sure what this is. I

1823
01:20:05,199 --> 01:20:07,440
mean, I'm sure this is important

1824
01:20:07,440 --> 01:20:09,360
dialogue, but I'm not sure it's relevant

1825
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:11,280
dialogue. Each each application's

1826
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,600
handled on its own,

1827
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:18,080
right? So, it's not like um

1828
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:20,000
I don't know. I don't other than that, I

1829
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,159
don't I know it's it's out there, so

1830
01:20:22,159 --> 01:20:24,080
it's can be addressed, but

1831
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:25,840
>> we'll just take it off there. We don't

1832
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:28,560
need to look at it. That's where you

1833
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:29,600
>> Well, I'm just saying that that's

1834
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:31,840
>> it's not relevant. Let's go away.

1835
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,320
>> Thanks.

1836
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:36,000
So, you brought it up in the city or

1837
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,000
planning commission meeting and I know

1838
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:39,280
not everyone was there. Could you just

1839
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:41,840
tell us what your pricing your starting

1840
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:44,480
pricing point is going to be on these?

1841
01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:48,960
>> 359 to 365 is the start and then it'll

1842
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:53,270
go up, you know, from there.

1843
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:54,719
That's assuming from the planning

1844
01:20:54,719 --> 01:20:57,199
commission from that date, you know what

1845
01:20:57,199 --> 01:20:59,600
we have interest rates, different

1846
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:01,199
things.

1847
01:21:01,199 --> 01:21:03,600
There's all kinds of factors, but that's

1848
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:06,800
our that's our target starting spot.

1849
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:09,360
>> Have you or the city have anyone talked

1850
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:10,719
to you do

1851
01:21:10,719 --> 01:21:11,120
>> Yeah.

1852
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:13,199
>> about that road? So, I know it doesn't

1853
01:21:13,199 --> 01:21:15,120
meet the distance from Sun Valley to

1854
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:17,280
where your entrance is. Are they giving

1855
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:18,320
They're giving you a

1856
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:20,880
>> They already have a recorded access from

1857
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:22,560
Utah on that. So, you can look up Twilla

1858
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:25,600
County GIS on the public record and see

1859
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:27,760
that Utah already owns an access

1860
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:30,400
>> where Allington Way is. Del lane, turn

1861
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:30,880
lane.

1862
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:31,600
>> Yeah, [clears throat] they'll have to

1863
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:32,400
install that.

1864
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:33,840
>> Yeah, they've given us the they've given

1865
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:35,840
us the parameters and the design.

1866
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:38,159
>> Turn lane coming west or is it just

1867
01:21:38,159 --> 01:21:39,679
going to be two lanes and so everyone

1868
01:21:39,679 --> 01:21:40,560
trying to get in?

1869
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:42,159
>> I'm not sure. I can't remember. It's

1870
01:21:42,159 --> 01:21:43,600
been been a little while, but I know

1871
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:46,320
that there's a third lane in the middle,

1872
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:48,560
a middle XL diesel lane, and then a turn

1873
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:51,920
lane on the right going east.

1874
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:53,520
So, there's probably a merge, there's

1875
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:56,400
probably a lefthand merge lane that goes

1876
01:21:56,400 --> 01:22:00,080
into traffic. I I'll be honest, I have

1877
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:02,159
not seen that for a long time. But we do

1878
01:22:02,159 --> 01:22:04,400
have our encroachment permit and we have

1879
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:06,400
our design and the design came from

1880
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,960
them. They they mandated what we did.

1881
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,280
>> Yeah. And UD do you know when as we're

1882
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:12,719
reviewing preliminary and final plans,

1883
01:22:12,719 --> 01:22:14,719
UD dot's always involved in those

1884
01:22:14,719 --> 01:22:18,880
reviews. So things are always change.

1885
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:21,120
I mean currently our signal location

1886
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:23,040
study that we received in the fall of

1887
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:26,880
last year does not show any sort of

1888
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:30,239
stoplight or anything. any any sort of

1889
01:22:30,239 --> 01:22:34,159
control of traffic there, which I mean

1890
01:22:34,159 --> 01:22:35,679
as someone who drives home that way

1891
01:22:35,679 --> 01:22:37,199
every day, I don't want another

1892
01:22:37,199 --> 01:22:39,760
stoplight there. But I mean, it it is

1893
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:43,040
what it is. And we we uh obviously would

1894
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:44,639
need something there, I think, down the

1895
01:22:44,639 --> 01:22:46,800
road. But it does not show that.

1896
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:48,800
>> Yeah. In our in our study that UDOT did,

1897
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:50,560
they came back and I guess is it called

1898
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:52,320
warrant? It doesn't warrant. They don't

1899
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:54,000
have a warrant. Well,

1900
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:57,040
>> warrant at five o'clock. [laughter]

1901
01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:58,480
Oh.

1902
01:22:58,480 --> 01:23:00,800
I'll honk when I when I tell you it

1903
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:03,679
warrants. [laughter] So will 500 other

1904
01:23:03,679 --> 01:23:04,719
people.

1905
01:23:04,719 --> 01:23:05,280
>> Plus

1906
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:07,040
>> I don't I don't make the rules. I just

1907
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:07,600
abide by

1908
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:10,480
>> we don't control the kind of semantics

1909
01:23:10,480 --> 01:23:11,600
but

1910
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:14,880
>> um it'll come when it comes.

1911
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:18,480
>> So a lot of the concerns were buffer.

1912
01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:21,520
Are you set on this plan or are you

1913
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:25,120
willing like so that your west end that

1914
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:26,719
there's half they're but up against

1915
01:23:26,719 --> 01:23:28,880
halfacre lots in the old plan there was

1916
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:30,719
halfacre or yeah

1917
01:23:30,719 --> 01:23:32,800
>> oneacre lotacre lots.

1918
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:35,679
>> Is there any way to get bigger lots to

1919
01:23:35,679 --> 01:23:37,760
match up with the existing homes that

1920
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:40,080
are there and then ease into your

1921
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:42,639
density or are you this is your plan

1922
01:23:42,639 --> 01:23:44,400
because of the sewer money that you have

1923
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:46,480
to pay back?

1924
01:23:46,480 --> 01:23:50,400
Well, I mean, I I think it's a we can we

1925
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:52,480
can look at at something. I I think it's

1926
01:23:52,480 --> 01:23:54,560
a good plan. I really do. Compared to

1927
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:57,120
what could be put there, we agree to

1928
01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:00,400
fence the entire west side

1929
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:02,480
um per phase as it comes up, but you

1930
01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:04,880
have

1931
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:06,719
I mean,

1932
01:24:06,719 --> 01:24:08,880
I think you go up to almost 20 feet to

1933
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:11,199
the to the house

1934
01:24:11,199 --> 01:24:14,080
and

1935
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:15,920
you know, I don't know. That's a pretty

1936
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,719
good buffer. I don't

1937
01:24:18,719 --> 01:24:20,880
how many do we know how many how many

1938
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:22,639
people on that particular street that's

1939
01:24:22,639 --> 01:24:24,000
on the east side of some valley have

1940
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,159
animals? I I've been down there a couple

1941
01:24:26,159 --> 01:24:27,920
times. It's hard for me to tell because

1942
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,159
I think there's maybe four four families

1943
01:24:30,159 --> 01:24:32,080
that have horses

1944
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:35,600
back there. Um

1945
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:37,280
>> so no, I I get it. Yeah, you're right.

1946
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:38,719
You're zone for animals and I'm not ever

1947
01:24:38,719 --> 01:24:40,000
trying to take away the the right to

1948
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:45,760
have animals. I love it. I'm just um

1949
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:47,199
you know it brings up a good point. You

1950
01:24:47,199 --> 01:24:48,159
know, we wouldn't want to take their

1951
01:24:48,159 --> 01:24:52,629
zoning away either.

1952
01:24:52,639 --> 01:24:56,310
» So,

1953
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:57,920
I would be I mean, I'd be willing to if

1954
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:01,520
we if we took away

1955
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:03,199
I mean, if we took away these bottom

1956
01:25:03,199 --> 01:25:08,629
ones

1957
01:25:08,639 --> 01:25:12,639
and expanded that into

1958
01:25:12,639 --> 01:25:17,189
more um

1959
01:25:17,199 --> 01:25:19,920
buffer zone I guess you would call it

1960
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:23,600
>> right um I would I would consider that

1961
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:25,679
it it does give you an additional you

1962
01:25:25,679 --> 01:25:27,760
know 25 ft there and I don't give up the

1963
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:29,520
world

1964
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:35,990
in in trying to to do this but

1965
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:37,920
» it would add to that six acres of open

1966
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:40,719
space probably

1967
01:25:40,719 --> 01:25:42,880
>> we'll measure Maybe an acre, maybe by an

1968
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:46,550
acre. And

1969
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:50,239
» so in our present code, they animals

1970
01:25:50,239 --> 01:25:53,920
have to be there has to be 100 ft.

1971
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:54,639
>> Explain that to me.

1972
01:25:54,639 --> 01:25:56,719
>> From an existing dwelling unit. If you

1973
01:25:56,719 --> 01:25:59,199
were in Grantsville city limits, um you

1974
01:25:59,199 --> 01:26:01,840
would measure 100 ft from the corner of

1975
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:05,600
an existing dwelling unit. 100 ft. And

1976
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:07,360
then that's where they keep it. um if

1977
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:09,360
they already have animals and new

1978
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:10,960
construction begins, they're already

1979
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:13,600
vested with that. So then it doesn't

1980
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:17,280
affect them. We've also in the MDA added

1981
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:20,480
language that the CCNRs need to re um

1982
01:26:20,480 --> 01:26:22,880
notify the owners that their animals

1983
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:26,320
next door that they can't complain and a

1984
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:29,600
few other things which is um in G3 of

1985
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:34,310
the development agreement.

1986
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:36,239
» So they can't they can't complain. I

1987
01:26:36,239 --> 01:26:36,880
mean like

1988
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:38,960
>> now now we're starting to go on, you

1989
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:42,480
know, on freedom of speech and I mean

1990
01:26:42,480 --> 01:26:45,600
come on crying out loud.

1991
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,080
>> I think they put legal standing.

1992
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:50,000
>> Yeah, I think I think that was more of

1993
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:50,800
the gist.

1994
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:52,560
>> Anybody can complain. I can buy anything

1995
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:53,600
I want. But

1996
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:54,960
>> I think it's more you have no legal

1997
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:56,159
standing, but there's already

1998
01:26:56,159 --> 01:26:57,600
>> Is that what it really says?

1999
01:26:57,600 --> 01:26:59,755
>> No, it doesn't say you can't complain.

2000
01:26:59,755 --> 01:27:00,480
[laughter]

2001
01:27:00,480 --> 01:27:01,679
>> I'm sure there's legal ease.

2002
01:27:01,679 --> 01:27:02,480
>> Don't be rude.

2003
01:27:02,480 --> 01:27:06,080
>> Yes. Um but to remove those single that

2004
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:09,199
single layer of units would provide from

2005
01:27:09,199 --> 01:27:14,470
the property line approximately 52 feet.

2006
01:27:14,480 --> 01:27:16,639
So if this was if if Sun Valley

2007
01:27:16,639 --> 01:27:20,239
Ranchettes were in Grsville City,

2008
01:27:20,239 --> 01:27:22,320
which

2009
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:26,400
there is a hearing again next week, it makes no sense to me if it would

2010
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:27,840
change something that we would make a

2011
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:31,040
decision on this. If next week it is

2012
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:33,120
ruled that the annexation comes into

2013
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:34,560
Gransville, this area would be in

2014
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:38,719
Grantsville city limits. So then it just

2015
01:27:38,719 --> 01:27:40,320
seems like we shouldn't make a decision

2016
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:42,320
on something like this if it makes any

2017
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:44,000
difference. What difference would it

2018
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:46,000
make if the if Sun Valley Ranchettes

2019
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:48,400
were in technical Grantsville City and

2020
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:50,239
not T will county? What difference would

2021
01:27:50,239 --> 01:27:51,120
that make in this?

2022
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:52,719
>> None because their houses are already

2023
01:27:52,719 --> 01:27:54,159
existing with animals.

2024
01:27:54,159 --> 01:27:54,560
>> Okay.

2025
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:57,280
>> And this is new construction. So they're

2026
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:58,400
already so it wouldn't make any

2027
01:27:58,400 --> 01:27:58,800
difference.

2028
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:00,719
>> They're already vested with their animal

2029
01:28:00,719 --> 01:28:01,280
rights.

2030
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:03,040
>> Okay. Thank you. I thought you said

2031
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:04,159
something was different in the code or

2032
01:28:04,159 --> 01:28:05,679
the county and that would that would be

2033
01:28:05,679 --> 01:28:07,280
their code and not ours and that's why

2034
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:09,760
they could get away with the difference

2035
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:10,960
of something. Maybe I'm

2036
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:11,920
misunderstanding.

2037
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:13,440
>> Well, they're in the county. So, our

2038
01:28:13,440 --> 01:28:15,120
code doesn't regulate how many animals

2039
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:16,800
they can have their setbacks or buffers.

2040
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:17,679
That would be the county.

2041
01:28:17,679 --> 01:28:19,440
>> So, you're saying if they were in our

2042
01:28:19,440 --> 01:28:20,000
fine?

2043
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:24,070
>> Yes.

2044
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:26,000
» The amount of animals may be different.

2045
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:27,440
>> Yeah, that Yeah, I mean that would be

2046
01:28:27,440 --> 01:28:29,520
different. But as far as the buffer, as

2047
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:31,199
long as they are vested with their

2048
01:28:31,199 --> 01:28:34,719
animals first, then new construction

2049
01:28:34,719 --> 01:28:38,960
can't um conflict or affect and cause to

2050
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:43,189
remove animals.

2051
01:28:43,199 --> 01:28:47,199
» If you just built using your MU zoning,

2052
01:28:47,199 --> 01:28:49,679
how many how many homes do you think you

2053
01:28:49,679 --> 01:28:50,239
could get in there?

2054
01:28:50,239 --> 01:28:53,040
>> I think I can get 254 town homes and I

2055
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:54,800
think I could get over that in

2056
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:58,239
apartments. So in the mixed use so the

2057
01:28:58,239 --> 01:29:00,880
district so it allows single family and

2058
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:03,760
town home residents. That's it.

2059
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:07,600
>> No, there's a multif family component.

2060
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:10,960
>> Okay. I'm not seeing that.

2061
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:12,320
I know we've changed this.

2062
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:13,600
>> Yeah, there there's a multif family

2063
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:14,639
component. That's I'm

2064
01:29:14,639 --> 01:29:16,960
>> there's also a 50% commercial component.

2065
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:19,440
So 50% of your acreage would have to be

2066
01:29:19,440 --> 01:29:21,440
commercial

2067
01:29:21,440 --> 01:29:24,000
area. I don't I don't know that I read

2068
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:26,000
it that way or that when we met with the

2069
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:27,360
city that they read it that way.

2070
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:30,080
>> Yeah. I mean, it's 50% of the land

2071
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:31,520
fronting a major street

2072
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:35,199
>> of the land of the land area as

2073
01:29:35,199 --> 01:29:36,480
commercial.

2074
01:29:36,480 --> 01:29:36,960
>> Correct.

2075
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:39,280
>> We want it fronting a major street. But

2076
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:41,440
that Allington, wouldn't that be a major

2077
01:29:41,440 --> 01:29:41,840
street?

2078
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:44,159
>> No, that's a residential street.

2079
01:29:44,159 --> 01:29:45,920
>> It's only 66 ft wide.

2080
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:48,960
>> We We need to fix this gray area because

2081
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:52,159
it says land area. And then I think it

2082
01:29:52,159 --> 01:29:53,600
was Rick that said it. We went over this

2083
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:54,719
a lot when we were on planning

2084
01:29:54,719 --> 01:29:56,719
commission. We never got that part

2085
01:29:56,719 --> 01:29:58,320
fixed.

2086
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:00,239
>> I will say if there's ambiguity in a

2087
01:30:00,239 --> 01:30:02,239
code, it's

2088
01:30:02,239 --> 01:30:04,719
>> interpreted in behalf of the

2089
01:30:04,719 --> 01:30:13,030
>> the property owner and their desires. So

2090
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:17,120
» the other thing we did um the city this

2091
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:19,760
as a as a condition not not a not a give

2092
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:21,520
to the city but

2093
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:25,520
>> um we had we didn't have Allington. No

2094
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:27,199
we didn't have we have Allington way but

2095
01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:28,159
it's supposed to be Cook, right?

2096
01:30:28,159 --> 01:30:28,639
>> Yeah.

2097
01:30:28,639 --> 01:30:30,960
We got to readress that. But Cook

2098
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:32,960
wasn't, we didn't want a raceway through

2099
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:36,560
our project, but the city in their

2100
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:40,159
interconnectivity agreement wanted it to

2101
01:30:40,159 --> 01:30:43,040
be a straightrough shot just so they can

2102
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:44,239
have connectivity and and

2103
01:30:44,239 --> 01:30:46,639
transportation. So, we adjusted we

2104
01:30:46,639 --> 01:30:48,320
instead of having a a raceway through

2105
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:50,880
there, we kind of did the the bend to

2106
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:53,760
try to slow, you know, slow people down

2107
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:56,639
uh that come from the the cook side. Uh

2108
01:30:56,639 --> 01:30:59,280
but in our in our original one, we had

2109
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:01,280
uh well, this is the second or third

2110
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:04,000
iteration of flex homes that we've had.

2111
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:08,159
Um but the we've actually moved

2112
01:31:08,159 --> 01:31:13,840
uh Allen the entrance off SR uh 38 down

2113
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,080
a little bit to accommodate the city and

2114
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:19,520
their their requests. So I I my point in

2115
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:21,840
saying that is is just we tried really

2116
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:23,920
hard to

2117
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:26,239
uh to make and give you know things to

2118
01:31:26,239 --> 01:31:29,360
the city that will make this work and

2119
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:32,000
that they they get out of it.

2120
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,159
>> Uh one of my biggest concerns is when we

2121
01:31:34,159 --> 01:31:36,239
have approved PUDS in the past, it's

2122
01:31:36,239 --> 01:31:38,320
because it's been a benefit to the city.

2123
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:41,199
It's it's been something that you know

2124
01:31:41,199 --> 01:31:43,600
like we're we're going to ask for this

2125
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:45,199
higher

2126
01:31:45,199 --> 01:31:47,360
amount or the setbacks or whatever

2127
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:48,639
because we're going to give you

2128
01:31:48,639 --> 01:31:51,440
something in return. And to me, I'm

2129
01:31:51,440 --> 01:31:53,760
looking at this plan going, we have one

2130
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:56,159
tot lot and one pickle ball court for

2131
01:31:56,159 --> 01:31:59,760
250 units. I'm not seeing any benefit to

2132
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:02,400
the city other than additional traffic,

2133
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:04,719
areas to patrol,

2134
01:32:04,719 --> 01:32:07,199
um all the concerns that have been

2135
01:32:07,199 --> 01:32:09,120
addressed. And so like where is the

2136
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:10,960
benefit to Grantsville City?

2137
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:13,440
>> You're getting a half a million dollars

2138
01:32:13,440 --> 01:32:15,280
for to pay back sewer to prevent

2139
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:17,199
suicide. And if we take off that

2140
01:32:17,199 --> 01:32:19,440
>> that half a million dollars seems to me

2141
01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:22,960
like it's a problem between you and Joe

2142
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:25,840
or and the Romney's like

2143
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:28,080
>> sure I don't a problem to me

2144
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:30,159
>> like this the people in this room it

2145
01:32:30,159 --> 01:32:32,880
shouldn't be their problem.

2146
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:33,760
>> Um

2147
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:35,440
>> well essentially it's not my problem

2148
01:32:35,440 --> 01:32:35,920
either.

2149
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:38,239
>> I I get that. I I can understand that,

2150
01:32:38,239 --> 01:32:40,560
but I just am not seeing anything

2151
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:44,320
besides a whole lot of houses. I'm not

2152
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:46,560
one tot lot, one pickle ball court. I

2153
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:49,040
just seems completely insufficient. If

2154
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:50,880
you even brought in an apartment

2155
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:53,199
building or town homes and multiple town

2156
01:32:53,199 --> 01:32:55,280
homes that have been brought before us,

2157
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:57,520
we have required that they meet or that

2158
01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:00,239
they bring in additional um space like

2159
01:33:00,239 --> 01:33:02,639
pavilions and

2160
01:33:02,639 --> 01:33:03,440
um

2161
01:33:03,440 --> 01:33:04,639
>> for for the city.

2162
01:33:04,639 --> 01:33:07,120
>> No, for for the area. I just am seeing

2163
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:09,520
like this a lot of people address the

2164
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:11,600
issue of the kids and where are they

2165
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:15,040
going to even go to play because the

2166
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:17,679
yards are so small and if you've got a

2167
01:33:17,679 --> 01:33:20,080
five foot setback you're that's real

2168
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:22,800
tough to play to do a lot in a five foot

2169
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:25,440
piece of brass which may be a zerocaped

2170
01:33:25,440 --> 01:33:26,320
I don't know what the

2171
01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:28,080
>> well as Shelby I mean as Shelby

2172
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:30,080
mentioned this we we had to do a concept

2173
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:32,080
to get to this point but those things

2174
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:33,840
are not defined and not

2175
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:35,440
>> right but I don't see I don't see

2176
01:33:35,440 --> 01:33:36,960
anywhere else to put them. That's

2177
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:38,880
>> Well, if we take I mean, there's lots of

2178
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:40,639
places to put them, but and you can do

2179
01:33:40,639 --> 01:33:44,550
more. Here's here's the problem. If you took this out, you

2180
01:33:44,550 --> 01:33:45,360
[clears throat] could put all kinds of

2181
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:48,320
things on that back side. You could put

2182
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:50,320
outdoor exercise stuff. You could put

2183
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:51,679
people don't really love pickle ball

2184
01:33:51,679 --> 01:33:53,199
courts

2185
01:33:53,199 --> 01:33:55,120
uh because they live by them. They then

2186
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:58,880
they can't complain. They go to um you

2187
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:00,320
know, they don't want to hear the

2188
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:02,159
bouncing at night, right? Right. So,

2189
01:34:02,159 --> 01:34:04,080
we're more than more than welcome to put

2190
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:06,880
whatever the city

2191
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:10,159
um would like. Uh

2192
01:34:10,159 --> 01:34:12,960
you know, it does

2193
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:14,800
I don't know what's the what if you look

2194
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:16,719
at the resale value of town homes versus

2195
01:34:16,719 --> 01:34:19,040
single family homes. It's it's a huge

2196
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:21,760
difference.

2197
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:23,760
>> I think you're right on the definitely

2198
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:27,840
right on the single family. I mean I

2199
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:29,679
and it's a different product than maybe

2200
01:34:29,679 --> 01:34:33,280
we have in a lot of other areas but just

2201
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:35,199
you look at this we're more concerned

2202
01:34:35,199 --> 01:34:38,639
about the 20ear storm than we are about

2203
01:34:38,639 --> 01:34:41,760
the kids and the safety and somewhere to

2204
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:45,360
go. I get that they don't leave the

2205
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:46,880
house,

2206
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:49,520
but that's just the impression of

2207
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:55,669
looking at this is four drainage lots.

2208
01:34:55,679 --> 01:34:57,120
» Well, and no park,

2209
01:34:57,120 --> 01:34:58,800
>> but keep in mind those can be we and

2210
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:00,159
I've done a ton of developments where

2211
01:35:00,159 --> 01:35:03,280
those become play areas. They're all

2212
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:05,520
over that. It's just identified because

2213
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:08,960
we had to do it for city engineering.

2214
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:10,719
You know, it's not it's not like there's

2215
01:35:10,719 --> 01:35:12,000
going to be nothing in there and there's

2216
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:14,400
just weeds. We would definitely use

2217
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:15,040
them.

2218
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:17,360
>> And this is open to you guys to suggest

2219
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:18,960
these are things that I want. A, B, C,

2220
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:22,639
and D. So, we're looking at you guys.

2221
01:35:22,639 --> 01:35:25,120
What is it that you want in there?

2222
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:27,679
>> I just need to clarify question answer,

2223
01:35:27,679 --> 01:35:29,679
please.

2224
01:35:29,679 --> 01:35:32,080
>> So, you said we could take out the the

2225
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:34,400
lower. Are you talking this row?

2226
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:36,080
>> No, just the just the west side of

2227
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:38,800
homes. This last house on the end.

2228
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:39,360
>> Yes.

2229
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:40,800
>> Well, it would be Yeah, it would be

2230
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:42,560
right there

2231
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:48,550
>> and all the way up.

2232
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:50,320
» Because to me, I'm thinking, well, if

2233
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:52,239
this if this whole area was taken out

2234
01:35:52,239 --> 01:35:54,000
and this was a whole play area, you have

2235
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:55,840
you solve your buffering issue with the

2236
01:35:55,840 --> 01:36:00,080
existing neighbors and you create the place where

2237
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:02,239
>> how much buffering does does it need?

2238
01:36:02,239 --> 01:36:04,159
>> 50 ft.

2239
01:36:04,159 --> 01:36:08,080
I mean, you got you got 50 feet.

2240
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:10,320
>> If you if you went from here to here,

2241
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:12,560
I'll bet you it might be 48 and a half,

2242
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:14,400
but it's pretty dang close. I don't have

2243
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:16,080
the exact measurement.

2244
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:19,360
>> It was 50T conceptual anyways. So,

2245
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:20,880
required 50 feet.

2246
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:22,320
>> Yeah, if you require 50 feet, you

2247
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:24,960
require 50 feet. I I can I can live with

2248
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:27,280
that.

2249
01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:28,719
>> Where's the sewer? We were talking about

2250
01:36:28,719 --> 01:36:30,480
sewer line and and I remember when they

2251
01:36:30,480 --> 01:36:33,600
dug it, but where is it in relationship

2252
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:35,520
to everything? Do you have a a good

2253
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:36,239
idea?

2254
01:36:36,239 --> 01:36:38,320
>> Yeah, it's it's identified on here. So,

2255
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:40,080
it's this dotted line here.

2256
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:40,880
>> Yeah.

2257
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:42,400
>> This is where the old road was supposed

2258
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:42,960
to go.

2259
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:43,280
>> Yeah.

2260
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:46,000
>> Then it goes up to there.

2261
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:47,360
>> Then it follow that top rug.

2262
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:48,560
>> I'm not very tall. That's why I didn't

2263
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:50,480
make a good basketball player. But

2264
01:36:50,480 --> 01:36:51,360
>> here, how's that?

2265
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:53,360
>> Anyway, it comes here and then back out

2266
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:54,639
to cook.

2267
01:36:54,639 --> 01:36:55,760
>> It actually goes up.

2268
01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:57,679
>> It goes right here straight. both of

2269
01:36:57,679 --> 01:36:58,159
this area.

2270
01:36:58,159 --> 01:36:59,520
>> Is that the blue line then?

2271
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:00,880
>> It goes here.

2272
01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:01,520
>> No,

2273
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:03,360
>> the blue line are contours.

2274
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:05,199
>> I think they're contour lines.

2275
01:37:05,199 --> 01:37:07,600
>> So, it doesn't go any

2276
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:09,280
>> the blue lines are your ashtto side

2277
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:12,320
triangle lines.

2278
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:16,470
>> Oh, the side for traffic.

2279
01:37:16,480 --> 01:37:18,159
» It follows somewhat the roadway.

2280
01:37:18,159 --> 01:37:19,760
>> Uh we've tried to put it as much as we

2281
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:20,480
can because

2282
01:37:20,480 --> 01:37:22,239
>> Well, it's not usable, but

2283
01:37:22,239 --> 01:37:24,080
>> it it's not usable. you

2284
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:25,360
>> well, we can build over the top of it,

2285
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:27,199
but we can't put a structure on it.

2286
01:37:27,199 --> 01:37:29,520
>> Yes, absolutely. But you can utilize it.

2287
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:30,800
>> Yeah, we can. Yeah, that's what we've

2288
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:31,440
done here.

2289
01:37:31,440 --> 01:37:33,520
>> Yeah, you're you're benefiting from the

2290
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:35,760
installation of that sewer line,

2291
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:36,800
correct?

2292
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:38,719
>> I would have I would have paid for I

2293
01:37:38,719 --> 01:37:40,080
mean, it's a wash to me by the time I

2294
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:42,080
pay it back and I put it in. It's a wash

2295
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:42,719
to me.

2296
01:37:42,719 --> 01:37:45,520
>> Okay. So, you're saying that Romney's

2297
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:47,360
the payback is is half a million

2298
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:48,480
dollars.

2299
01:37:48,480 --> 01:37:50,159
>> Yeah.

2300
01:37:50,159 --> 01:37:50,800
See, I wouldn't

2301
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:52,239
>> How big How big is that line? They put

2302
01:37:52,239 --> 01:37:53,199
in a 20 in

2303
01:37:53,199 --> 01:37:53,760
>> 20 inch.

2304
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:55,920
>> Yeah, I think it's a 20 inch line. I

2305
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:59,360
only need 8 in there,

2306
01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:01,119
>> but

2307
01:38:01,119 --> 01:38:03,119
still benefit.

2308
01:38:03,119 --> 01:38:04,719
>> Um, it benefited by getting me an

2309
01:38:04,719 --> 01:38:06,239
agreement with the city. Yeah.

2310
01:38:06,239 --> 01:38:14,870
>> Yeah, I see that.

2311
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:17,440
Derek, can we go back to your original

2312
01:38:17,440 --> 01:38:20,320
comment from this discussion about what

2313
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:22,719
it says about the buffering

2314
01:38:22,719 --> 01:38:26,000
as far as harmonious with the existing

2315
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:28,880
>> on the

2316
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:30,560
definition of an

2317
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:31,119
>> Yes.

2318
01:38:31,119 --> 01:38:37,189
>> Yeah. Um,

2319
01:38:37,199 --> 01:38:44,149
sure they can pull that up. Um

2320
01:38:44,159 --> 01:38:46,719
it's just it's 19A it's under one. I

2321
01:38:46,719 --> 01:38:47,679
don't know if you want to pull that up.

2322
01:38:47,679 --> 01:38:50,000
It just says it's the purpose of the mix

2323
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:52,159
zone use district.

2324
01:38:52,159 --> 01:38:54,000
>> This is what we want. Allow for the

2325
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:55,440
establishment of commercial properties

2326
01:38:55,440 --> 01:38:57,600
integrated with subordinate residential

2327
01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:00,400
uses. Planes planned unit developments

2328
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:02,080
are encouraged in this zone.

2329
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:04,080
Developments in the mixeduse zone shall

2330
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:07,360
be designed so integrating residential

2331
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:08,560
commercial components into the

2332
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:10,159
harmonious development and to be

2333
01:39:10,159 --> 01:39:12,000
compatible with the existing or

2334
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:15,600
anticipated uses of surrounding area.

2335
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:18,080
I mean that's right in the mixed use. So

2336
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:19,840
that this doesn't match. So if you went

2337
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:22,239
mu and did it your own I mean that's our

2338
01:39:22,239 --> 01:39:24,400
intend purpose and that's what we want

2339
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:26,400
is to be harmonious and match. That's

2340
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:28,320
why we want a buffer that first plan.

2341
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:30,159
great bigger lots up against that west

2342
01:39:30,159 --> 01:39:33,199
end to match and then you go into the um

2343
01:39:33,199 --> 01:39:35,119
your density. We've done that with a lot

2344
01:39:35,119 --> 01:39:38,159
of other developments. Um

2345
01:39:38,159 --> 01:39:40,480
>> but with the mixed use, I mean the

2346
01:39:40,480 --> 01:39:42,159
planned unit, the mixed use, if it if

2347
01:39:42,159 --> 01:39:44,480
you go back to permitted uses, you still

2348
01:39:44,480 --> 01:39:48,560
have the same problem. So if

2349
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:51,830
um

2350
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:54,960
because there there's I mean and I I

2351
01:39:54,960 --> 01:39:57,119
know it's illogical to be honest with

2352
01:39:57,119 --> 01:40:00,000
you, but what we're doing is taking a

2353
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:03,199
bad permit plan,

2354
01:40:03,199 --> 01:40:06,239
giving it some

2355
01:40:06,239 --> 01:40:09,280
better components and better features

2356
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:11,280
versus trying to to go back and what

2357
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:13,840
what's actually permitted

2358
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:16,800
like I in the MU zone. I could I could

2359
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:18,239
put it in and I wouldn't even have to

2360
01:40:18,239 --> 01:40:19,760
come

2361
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:21,679
and ask for forgiveness from anything. I

2362
01:40:21,679 --> 01:40:24,639
could just do it. And I don't like that.

2363
01:40:24,639 --> 01:40:26,560
I don't like the way that that that

2364
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:27,360
permit.

2365
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:29,440
>> But but you'd be meeting all of our

2366
01:40:29,440 --> 01:40:30,960
requirements. There'd be no variances.

2367
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:32,719
All the setbacks would be the buffer

2368
01:40:32,719 --> 01:40:33,360
would be right.

2369
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:35,199
>> No, the buffer is not there. The buffer

2370
01:40:35,199 --> 01:40:35,600
is there.

2371
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:36,320
>> No,

2372
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:37,280
>> it's 50 feet.

2373
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:38,560
>> It's 30 feet actually.

2374
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:40,719
>> Yeah. Okay. It's more than the 10 that

2375
01:40:40,719 --> 01:40:41,679
we have here. 50.

2376
01:40:41,679 --> 01:40:44,320
>> Well, I'm giving you 50

2377
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:45,360
>> potential. Yeah.

2378
01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:47,280
>> Well, yeah. I haven't I mean, I haven't

2379
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:49,280
signed the dotted line, but I'm just

2380
01:40:49,280 --> 01:40:51,440
saying I I know I

2381
01:40:51,440 --> 01:40:51,920
>> Go ahead.

2382
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:53,600
>> I was say I think that's kind of where I

2383
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:56,800
have like we where we've got so many

2384
01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:59,679
variants to this and I'm I'm not a fan

2385
01:40:59,679 --> 01:41:02,960
of varants. So if there's a reason we

2386
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:09,280
have rule obviously we have in place and when we have a number of them and we

2387
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:10,560
see a number of them I think that's

2388
01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:12,080
where I have the concern with the with

2389
01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:13,440
the layout is

2390
01:41:13,440 --> 01:41:17,760
>> I I think we've missed the mark uh

2391
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:21,679
>> uh entirely um but and I think some of

2392
01:41:21,679 --> 01:41:23,679
the other councilmen have have mentioned

2393
01:41:23,679 --> 01:41:26,960
this um specifically for the youth I

2394
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:29,679
have a I have a concern with

2395
01:41:29,679 --> 01:41:33,119
that much in in that area based on

2396
01:41:33,119 --> 01:41:36,000
what's there from a safety standpoint. I

2397
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:38,880
drive that road. I'm

2398
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:41,040
there every night. Probably you are when

2399
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:42,639
someone's trying to turn left out of Sun

2400
01:41:42,639 --> 01:41:45,520
Valley and they're stuck there. So,

2401
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:48,159
entirely. Um,

2402
01:41:48,159 --> 01:41:52,480
yeah. So I safety uh is one of my

2403
01:41:52,480 --> 01:41:54,080
primary concerns, but I think the other

2404
01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:57,679
one is just the the amount of variance

2405
01:41:57,679 --> 01:42:01,040
in in in each of the items specifically.

2406
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:02,560
>> Let's go let's go to the variance table

2407
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:04,880
and talk about that

2408
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:07,679
>> because it I know the variance seems

2409
01:42:07,679 --> 01:42:09,280
like you're giving something up, but if

2410
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:10,960
it's making something better, I'm not

2411
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:14,159
sure why it's it's a huge concern. If if

2412
01:42:14,159 --> 01:42:16,080
30 is the minimum in the thing and we

2413
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:17,840
give 50

2414
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:19,280
>> the v even though you're giving some

2415
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:21,199
variance it's a better buffer.

2416
01:42:21,199 --> 01:42:26,229
>> Um

2417
01:42:26,239 --> 01:42:28,320
» I don't have

2418
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:30,639
I can find the plan that we did.

2419
01:42:30,639 --> 01:42:33,920
>> I sent it to Alicia the straight view.

2420
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:36,000
>> Yeah the just with the town home packs.

2421
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:37,760
>> Did you get that email? This is that's

2422
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:39,280
what started this whole conversation is

2423
01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:40,800
I started looking at all right here's

2424
01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:42,320
what we can do under their permitted use

2425
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:44,719
without a lot of heartache.

2426
01:42:44,719 --> 01:42:46,880
Um

2427
01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:53,990
but I can't read that.

2428
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:56,400
» You zoom in a little bit more. So if you

2429
01:42:56,400 --> 01:42:59,996
look at the the code category

2430
01:42:59,996 --> 01:43:02,149
[clears throat and cough]

2431
01:43:02,159 --> 01:43:04,080
right

2432
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:06,080
when we get maximum density under the

2433
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:09,679
permitted area we get 260

2434
01:43:09,679 --> 01:43:14,239
256 90 minus you're down below 250

2435
01:43:14,239 --> 01:43:15,040
30 [clears throat]

2436
01:43:15,040 --> 01:43:19,830
foot lot frontage um

2437
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:22,480
and 30 ft accommodates accommodates that

2438
01:43:22,480 --> 01:43:24,480
50 ft for a single housing. So that's

2439
01:43:24,480 --> 01:43:26,800
where you give a little bit, right? You

2440
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:28,880
got 50 for a single family house on tone

2441
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:31,280
town homes. There there isn't any.

2442
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:34,159
There's only between between units,

2443
01:43:34,159 --> 01:43:35,760
buildings, I should say,

2444
01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:37,440
>> right? So you don't have any. So it's

2445
01:43:37,440 --> 01:43:44,560
really not um you're giving up some some

2446
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:46,159
yardage for variance, but you're getting

2447
01:43:46,159 --> 01:43:48,560
a single family detached house versus a

2448
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:52,320
pack. Um, the next one is,

2449
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:54,400
>> and you mentioned 10 in a row just a

2450
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:56,719
little bit ago. That's what you said.

2451
01:43:56,719 --> 01:43:58,000
>> Keep keep going. You don't need to

2452
01:43:58,000 --> 01:43:59,840
leave.

2453
01:43:59,840 --> 01:44:04,070
>> Um,

2454
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:06,800
» the really tiny writing under the 256 is

2455
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:09,280
just outlining the lot sizes.

2456
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:10,639
>> Oh, for each each different.

2457
01:44:10,639 --> 01:44:13,600
>> Yeah. So, like the flex base, flex gen,

2458
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:16,560
flex garage, flex premium, flex. tried

2459
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:18,719
to put every home in each base so that

2460
01:44:18,719 --> 01:44:19,760
they could have a choice. You know,

2461
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:21,920
that's the mixed use component. They can

2462
01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:24,159
have a bigger one with four bedroom or

2463
01:44:24,159 --> 01:44:27,520
six bedroom. They can have one three

2464
01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:29,920
bedroom, two bath, no garage. We tried

2465
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:36,937
to give them multiple things within each uh phase.

2466
01:44:36,937 --> 01:44:39,679
[clears throat] Um 15 ft to living space

2467
01:44:39,679 --> 01:44:41,760
or 20 ft to garage. the single site

2468
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:45,030
verification

2469
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:48,080
on corner side. So that's I don't know

2470
01:44:48,080 --> 01:44:49,600
we don't have that many sharp hard

2471
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:52,950
corners.

2472
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:55,920
Um and then the last one is side setback

2473
01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:58,639
property boundary is 10 ft instead of

2474
01:44:58,639 --> 01:45:01,280
15. But that would only apply on

2475
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:03,840
subdivision interior. If we take away

2476
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:07,199
that west the west side

2477
01:45:07,199 --> 01:45:09,119
then you know it doesn't affect any

2478
01:45:09,119 --> 01:45:12,480
other resident. So, the the

2479
01:45:12,480 --> 01:45:16,000
deviations we're asking for um are minor

2480
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:17,760
compared comparatively speaking to what

2481
01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:19,760
the permit allows

2482
01:45:19,760 --> 01:45:23,443
>> and you get a much better product.

2483
01:45:23,443 --> 01:45:25,590
[clears throat]

2484
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:27,840
» You want me to switch over to that?

2485
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:43,910
>> Yeah.

2486
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:47,040
So you can see,

2487
01:45:47,040 --> 01:45:48,719
>> so this was the town home plan.

2488
01:45:48,719 --> 01:45:50,960
>> This was the town home plan. And you can

2489
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:52,880
see Cook Drive didn't come through all

2490
01:45:52,880 --> 01:45:55,760
the way to Allington. We did have this

2491
01:45:55,760 --> 01:46:00,768
buffer here, which you get back anyway.

2492
01:46:00,778 --> 01:46:01,119
» [clears throat]

2493
01:46:01,119 --> 01:46:04,400
>> And I mean if you put the if you put the

2494
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:07,360
two plants side by side visually you

2495
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:11,990
would be like

2496
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:14,880
you know and the commercial didn't

2497
01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:16,880
change from

2498
01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:19,760
the 22 plan to this plan to what we

2499
01:46:19,760 --> 01:46:22,400
concept we have in front of you. So this

2500
01:46:22,400 --> 01:46:26,639
is this is by permit. You can do this

2501
01:46:26,639 --> 01:46:47,510
and I don't like it.

2502
01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:49,520
I know I know we've thrown out the old

2503
01:46:49,520 --> 01:46:52,000
plan, but what's wrong with the old

2504
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:53,440
plan?

2505
01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:57,520
>> Um, it's a different absorption rate and

2506
01:46:57,520 --> 01:47:00,719
different uh price point.

2507
01:47:00,719 --> 01:47:03,600
>> Yeah. Even though really if we're going

2508
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:06,320
with the statement that Derek read about

2509
01:47:06,320 --> 01:47:08,320
the purpose of mixed use and the

2510
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:12,639
harmonious integrated developments,

2511
01:47:12,639 --> 01:47:16,480
plan A looks far more like that

2512
01:47:16,480 --> 01:47:18,159
definition.

2513
01:47:18,159 --> 01:47:21,440
>> So this to me ju I'm just just my

2514
01:47:21,440 --> 01:47:25,520
opinion. This just does not match that.

2515
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:27,040
Now neither would with would with this

2516
01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:30,800
plan. This plan also doesn't match the

2517
01:47:30,800 --> 01:47:34,560
definition of a mixeduse area.

2518
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:36,480
So I guess

2519
01:47:36,480 --> 01:47:38,639
>> I mean what I'm asking is what what

2520
01:47:38,639 --> 01:47:41,679
would you rather have this or

2521
01:47:41,679 --> 01:47:44,320
>> Well, I would say I would say this also

2522
01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:47,119
doesn't match mixed use. It just doesn't

2523
01:47:47,119 --> 01:47:49,199
match the definition that

2524
01:47:49,199 --> 01:47:50,159
>> it's all the same.

2525
01:47:50,159 --> 01:47:51,679
>> Yeah, because it's all the same. There's

2526
01:47:51,679 --> 01:47:55,040
no mix of uses. But your per the permit

2527
01:47:55,040 --> 01:47:56,800
process when it's there's a difference

2528
01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:59,679
between permitted and a and a PUD. The

2529
01:47:59,679 --> 01:48:03,119
permit process says that if I meet every

2530
01:48:03,119 --> 01:48:06,000
single one of your codes

2531
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:07,520
that I can build this,

2532
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:09,360
>> right? But if you read the mixeduse

2533
01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:10,880
definition,

2534
01:48:10,880 --> 01:48:13,760
>> even permitted, it just simply doesn't.

2535
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:15,440
>> But that mixeduse comes with the

2536
01:48:15,440 --> 01:48:17,440
commercial and the residential. That

2537
01:48:17,440 --> 01:48:19,199
that's the component of the mixed use,

2538
01:48:19,199 --> 01:48:20,949
>> right? And that's what we're that's what

2539
01:48:20,949 --> 01:48:22,000
[clears throat] we have here in all

2540
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:23,600
three plans. sure

2541
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:27,119
>> is that exact thing. And so to me, plan

2542
01:48:27,119 --> 01:48:30,400
A, we'll call the plan from 2022,

2543
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:33,040
matches the exact definition of mixed

2544
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:36,080
use. It's mixing commercial use and then

2545
01:48:36,080 --> 01:48:38,560
integrating into residential with a

2546
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:41,119
harmonious development that meets the

2547
01:48:41,119 --> 01:48:44,560
present or the existing land or proposed

2548
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:47,920
land in the other areas. So, plan A, if

2549
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:50,960
I'm going to call it that, this one

2550
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:53,119
matches that

2551
01:48:53,119 --> 01:48:55,360
town home plan, flex home plan. Now, I

2552
01:48:55,360 --> 01:48:58,320
don't have an issue if if uh let's say

2553
01:48:58,320 --> 01:49:01,040
if we're looking at previously approved

2554
01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:05,679
layout and lots 102 to 117 along that

2555
01:49:05,679 --> 01:49:09,520
area are town homes or flex homes or the

2556
01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:12,560
interior of this plan becomes the flex

2557
01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:14,239
homes or something like that. Now, that

2558
01:49:14,239 --> 01:49:16,960
to me matches the definition of what our

2559
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:20,400
mixed use definition is. Whereas it it's

2560
01:49:20,400 --> 01:49:23,360
a mix of uses, a mix of lot sizes

2561
01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:25,440
integrating well with the commercial and

2562
01:49:25,440 --> 01:49:28,480
the existing homeowners. This plan or

2563
01:49:28,480 --> 01:49:30,080
the other two plans that are presented

2564
01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:32,800
show no mix of uses. It's simply one use

2565
01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:35,280
besides the commercial from what I can

2566
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:38,400
see and it doesn't match the definition

2567
01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:40,320
of what we have in our code. I'm not

2568
01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:42,320
understanding the the term use that

2569
01:49:42,320 --> 01:49:43,679
these are all the single family. There's

2570
01:49:43,679 --> 01:49:45,199
no mixed use in there.

2571
01:49:45,199 --> 01:49:46,480
>> Well, it's a mix [clears throat] single

2572
01:49:46,480 --> 01:49:46,880
family.

2573
01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:48,159
>> You're right, Joe. You're right about

2574
01:49:48,159 --> 01:49:50,639
that. But it's a mix of um

2575
01:49:50,639 --> 01:49:51,360
>> lot sizes.

2576
01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:53,280
which means you're going to

2577
01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:56,560
have a variety of

2578
01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:58,080
you're not going to put the same house

2579
01:49:58,080 --> 01:50:00,159
on the halfacre lot that you're going to

2580
01:50:00,159 --> 01:50:02,239
put on the interior lot. It's going to

2581
01:50:02,239 --> 01:50:06,000
have a mix of of uses in that sense.

2582
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:07,760
>> Maybe you might have. I mean, the same

2583
01:50:07,760 --> 01:50:12,239
thing. It's it's no different when the facades or fronts of the of the flex

2584
01:50:12,239 --> 01:50:13,920
homes. You could have different you

2585
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:17,920
could have 20 different styles, right?

2586
01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:20,000
A spec builder buys these and he has

2587
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:21,920
seven plans he builds. You can get seven

2588
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:23,600
plans throughout this whole thing. I

2589
01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:26,159
don't I don't know that I don't know

2590
01:50:26,159 --> 01:50:30,320
that the lot size is a definition of of

2591
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:32,719
use if that makes sense. According to

2592
01:50:32,719 --> 01:50:33,119
the

2593
01:50:33,119 --> 01:50:35,280
>> you can you could argue that. Yes. But I

2594
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:37,360
think you could argue my side as well

2595
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:39,679
that if you have a halfacre lot,

2596
01:50:39,679 --> 01:50:41,040
>> you're going to have a different

2597
01:50:41,040 --> 01:50:43,600
>> I'm not I'm not arguing that this plan

2598
01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:44,800
would be better,

2599
01:50:44,800 --> 01:50:46,800
>> right? It would be better. It's not the

2600
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:50,080
plan that that we've chosen.

2601
01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:55,679
>> We we we went in and uh redid

2602
01:50:55,679 --> 01:50:58,560
um a plan that we we thought was very

2603
01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:00,560
thoughtful that would give us a good

2604
01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:06,880
return on our investment. It doesn't uh

2605
01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:08,560
you know handcuff the city on things

2606
01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:11,520
that that they're going to have uh to do

2607
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:14,000
it. It provide it provides a really good

2608
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:17,920
resell. It provides a a price point also

2609
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:19,600
uh

2610
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:22,080
for people versus you know I I know

2611
01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:23,199
everyone in this room would love it.

2612
01:51:23,199 --> 01:51:25,360
I'll be honest with you halfacre lot put

2613
01:51:25,360 --> 01:51:26,320
a house on it. It's going to be a

2614
01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:29,520
million bucks.

2615
01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:30,719
And then the complaint would be, "Well,

2616
01:51:30,719 --> 01:51:32,800
you're raising my value, so I've got to

2617
01:51:32,800 --> 01:51:37,679
paid more taxes." But I I understand the

2618
01:51:37,679 --> 01:51:40,159
emotional attachment to the first plan.

2619
01:51:40,159 --> 01:51:41,920
I I really do.

2620
01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:44,880
Um

2621
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:47,679
but I but I think if if you took the

2622
01:51:47,679 --> 01:51:49,760
emotion out of it and looked at what's

2623
01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:52,560
permitted

2624
01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:55,599
and and you can do without any

2625
01:51:55,599 --> 01:51:58,800
consultation so to speak and and what we

2626
01:51:58,800 --> 01:52:00,719
presented

2627
01:52:00,719 --> 01:52:03,040
we believe it it it's a very good

2628
01:52:03,040 --> 01:52:05,040
product

2629
01:52:05,040 --> 01:52:08,320
and we beneficial for a lot of I mean

2630
01:52:08,320 --> 01:52:10,000
you have I don't know you have a police

2631
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:11,440
officer he's not living in the first

2632
01:52:11,440 --> 01:52:15,040
one. He he could live here,

2633
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:17,760
school teacher. You know, we all talk

2634
01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:19,679
about we all talk about wanting to help

2635
01:52:19,679 --> 01:52:22,320
the solve the problem, but we don't want

2636
01:52:22,320 --> 01:52:26,639
it next to us, right? And and that's

2637
01:52:26,639 --> 01:52:29,040
just heard everywhere in the state,

2638
01:52:29,040 --> 01:52:30,880
everywhere I go. I did an assisted

2639
01:52:30,880 --> 01:52:34,000
living in Park City and one of the

2640
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:35,440
questions from the councilman was, "What

2641
01:52:35,440 --> 01:52:37,280
if my son sees a dead body getting

2642
01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:40,639
rolled out of that assisted living?" So,

2643
01:52:40,639 --> 01:52:42,719
he didn't like it.

2644
01:52:42,719 --> 01:52:44,560
And I'm like, well, that's welcome to

2645
01:52:44,560 --> 01:52:48,080
life, right? And there's are there are

2646
01:52:48,080 --> 01:52:51,280
things that we we don't love,

2647
01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:55,599
but that we can tolerate so that we can

2648
01:52:55,599 --> 01:52:58,080
provide provide housing.

2649
01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:00,480
>> Joe, a school teacher and a police

2650
01:53:00,480 --> 01:53:03,679
officer could afford one of the 4,000

2651
01:53:03,679 --> 01:53:04,880
town homes that have already been

2652
01:53:04,880 --> 01:53:07,599
approved here in Grantsville. So, I

2653
01:53:07,599 --> 01:53:09,599
don't buy the affordable housing that's

2654
01:53:09,599 --> 01:53:10,880
going to be any less than a town home

2655
01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:12,000
that's already been approved here,

2656
01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:14,239
invested. I I believe it's in that

2657
01:53:14,239 --> 01:53:17,679
number. Okay. Um, two, I I've been on

2658
01:53:17,679 --> 01:53:19,920
planning commission for three years,

2659
01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:21,920
then I came to city council. I haven't

2660
01:53:21,920 --> 01:53:23,599
dealt with you, but every developer that

2661
01:53:23,599 --> 01:53:25,599
I've dealt with has always wanted to be

2662
01:53:25,599 --> 01:53:28,800
a good neighbor and work with the

2663
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:31,119
neighbors next to them. That's been my

2664
01:53:31,119 --> 01:53:34,080
experience. and and it even I won't say

2665
01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:35,840
the name some that I don't don't like

2666
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:37,760
but they've all always worked with us

2667
01:53:37,760 --> 01:53:39,119
because they wanted to be good neighbors

2668
01:53:39,119 --> 01:53:41,679
with the existing current homes. So what

2669
01:53:41,679 --> 01:53:44,719
I'm asking is

2670
01:53:44,719 --> 01:53:47,360
that buffer of bigger lots on that west

2671
01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:49,760
end and then you can do whatever you

2672
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:52,719
want with your density as it as it moves

2673
01:53:52,719 --> 01:53:55,040
east. Is that completely

2674
01:53:55,040 --> 01:53:56,400
>> tell me what you tell me what you mean

2675
01:53:56,400 --> 01:53:58,639
by that like let's be

2676
01:53:58,639 --> 01:53:59,920
>> so like negotiate

2677
01:53:59,920 --> 01:54:02,080
>> the first the first plan

2678
01:54:02,080 --> 01:54:03,440
>> halfacre lots

2679
01:54:03,440 --> 01:54:06,159
>> no I I won't do halfacre lots

2680
01:54:06,159 --> 01:54:07,679
>> but I I would I'd rather leave open

2681
01:54:07,679 --> 01:54:08,960
space than halfacre lots

2682
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:10,880
>> and then the density as you as you go

2683
01:54:10,880 --> 01:54:13,520
east

2684
01:54:13,520 --> 01:54:16,239
>> and that could be multifamily that could

2685
01:54:16,239 --> 01:54:16,719
be

2686
01:54:16,719 --> 01:54:18,320
>> let's look at let's look at what it is

2687
01:54:18,320 --> 01:54:21,040
this isund what

2688
01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:23,840
54t Yeah,

2689
01:54:23,840 --> 01:54:26,239
>> house is going to be set back here. So,

2690
01:54:26,239 --> 01:54:30,070
you really have

2691
01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:33,280
» 75 ft of buffer between the back of the

2692
01:54:33,280 --> 01:54:35,599
house and the neighbor's fence.

2693
01:54:35,599 --> 01:54:36,159
>> Yeah.

2694
01:54:36,159 --> 01:54:37,679
>> Is Is that what you're wanting? Is that

2695
01:54:37,679 --> 01:54:39,360
what you're asking?

2696
01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:42,000
>> I I would like bigger lots on on the

2697
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:42,159
west.

2698
01:54:42,159 --> 01:54:44,800
>> What if we do no lots there? If there's

2699
01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:46,880
no lots, then that would be even do no

2700
01:54:46,880 --> 01:54:50,080
lots for 75 ft and then let me do what

2701
01:54:50,080 --> 01:54:54,229
our plan going east.

2702
01:54:54,239 --> 01:54:55,040
» How many units that

2703
01:54:55,040 --> 01:54:57,280
>> can I don't know that

2704
01:54:57,280 --> 01:54:58,159
>> how many units is that?

2705
01:54:58,159 --> 01:55:00,639
>> How many is he's got?

2706
01:55:00,639 --> 01:55:03,280
>> Yeah, 254 is what?

2707
01:55:03,280 --> 01:55:05,119
>> What would you put there?

2708
01:55:05,119 --> 01:55:06,400
>> What would you want me to put there?

2709
01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:08,880
Sounds like mayor would like some

2710
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:10,400
facility

2711
01:55:10,400 --> 01:55:14,950
of some sort or

2712
01:55:14,960 --> 01:55:16,320
I don't know. Why don't I split it with

2713
01:55:16,320 --> 01:55:17,119
the neighbors?

2714
01:55:17,119 --> 01:55:19,360
>> About 60 units approximately.

2715
01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:21,440
>> Like

2716
01:55:21,440 --> 01:55:23,040
>> give them if you're if you're if you're

2717
01:55:23,040 --> 01:55:25,119
looking for

2718
01:55:25,119 --> 01:55:28,239
what 70 something feet,

2719
01:55:28,239 --> 01:55:30,080
give the neighbor their own 30 foot

2720
01:55:30,080 --> 01:55:33,360
here, all these houses and keep the

2721
01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:35,199
difference and they can buffer whatever

2722
01:55:35,199 --> 01:55:37,840
they want.

2723
01:55:37,840 --> 01:55:39,520
Now, there isn't a person talk about

2724
01:55:39,520 --> 01:55:40,960
good neighbors that's going to deed land

2725
01:55:40,960 --> 01:55:42,719
to a to a neighbor just so they can keep

2726
01:55:42,719 --> 01:55:45,679
their buffer from you.

2727
01:55:45,679 --> 01:55:47,599
If if that's truly what we're looking

2728
01:55:47,599 --> 01:55:49,599
for here to be good neighbors, I have no

2729
01:55:49,599 --> 01:55:50,560
problem with that because if it's going

2730
01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:52,560
to be open, they might as well use it.

2731
01:55:52,560 --> 01:55:54,080
We can still put in our trail. We could

2732
01:55:54,080 --> 01:55:56,719
still put in some extra parks.

2733
01:55:56,719 --> 01:55:58,320
We could still do that. And they get 30

2734
01:55:58,320 --> 01:56:00,320
feet of extra ground on the back side of

2735
01:56:00,320 --> 01:56:01,920
their property to do put their trees in.

2736
01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:06,470
They could put a whole forest in.

2737
01:56:06,480 --> 01:56:09,040
Well, that's an interesting concept. I

2738
01:56:09,040 --> 01:56:11,760
mean, I don't know if

2739
01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:14,950
>> Yeah,

2740
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:16,480
» you asked for it.

2741
01:56:16,480 --> 01:56:21,510
>> Well, you said it. [laughter]

2742
01:56:21,520 --> 01:56:23,360
Is that Is there anybody that would be

2743
01:56:23,360 --> 01:56:25,840
opposed to that?

2744
01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:27,920
>> We got your first idea. So,

2745
01:56:27,920 --> 01:56:29,760
>> I know. I get it. I love my first

2746
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:32,080
girlfriend, too, but she punked me.

2747
01:56:32,080 --> 01:56:34,880
>> Maybe that's why. [laughter]

2748
01:56:34,880 --> 01:56:36,320
>> I don't know. Can I take questions? Is

2749
01:56:36,320 --> 01:56:36,800
that all right?

2750
01:56:36,800 --> 01:56:40,149
>> No.

2751
01:56:40,159 --> 01:56:43,599
» Well, I shouldn't have. Sorry.

2752
01:56:43,599 --> 01:56:46,000
>> If you want to give us 30 ft

2753
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:48,080
>> plus there's another 10 ft required by

2754
01:56:48,080 --> 01:56:50,320
granular irrigation

2755
01:56:50,320 --> 01:56:51,840
40.

2756
01:56:51,840 --> 01:56:52,400
>> Correct.

2757
01:56:52,400 --> 01:56:54,320
>> No, the irrigation's actually already

2758
01:56:54,320 --> 01:56:55,040
there.

2759
01:56:55,040 --> 01:56:56,719
>> Yeah. Behind us.

2760
01:56:56,719 --> 01:56:58,480
>> Yeah. So, there's not 40 feet. It's just

2761
01:56:58,480 --> 01:57:00,400
30 included.

2762
01:57:00,400 --> 01:57:01,679
>> Anyway, I didn't I didn't mean to open

2763
01:57:01,679 --> 01:57:03,599
up a can of worms. I'm just

2764
01:57:03,599 --> 01:57:05,920
>> very simple question. But you're saying

2765
01:57:05,920 --> 01:57:09,119
we can start at 365. I'm a builder and a

2766
01:57:09,119 --> 01:57:11,280
developer.

2767
01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:13,599
>> That's That's without garages.

2768
01:57:13,599 --> 01:57:14,400
>> Sure. Yeah.

2769
01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:18,400
>> The garage, you're up nearly $400,000.

2770
01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:19,280
Council member,

2771
01:57:19,280 --> 01:57:24,320
>> sorry, I didn't mean to engage the public, but I do think I do

2772
01:57:24,320 --> 01:57:27,840
think we can meet somewhere on that that

2773
01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:30,560
end versus the permitted where I think

2774
01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:32,719
the permitted was strictly 30 feet. That

2775
01:57:32,719 --> 01:57:35,440
was the exact measurement that has to be

2776
01:57:35,440 --> 01:57:41,910
allowed in the MU.

2777
01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:43,840
» Those are the two issues. West boundary

2778
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:45,599
at the parks.

2779
01:57:45,599 --> 01:57:48,320
>> Say say it out. Say it louder.

2780
01:57:48,320 --> 01:57:49,920
>> I don't want to speak for everybody.

2781
01:57:49,920 --> 01:57:51,599
>> Well, [laughter] two major issues.

2782
01:57:51,599 --> 01:57:52,880
>> You're going to say the same thing I'm

2783
01:57:52,880 --> 01:57:56,320
going to say. I'm sure I I we've we've

2784
01:57:56,320 --> 01:57:59,520
done across the board any any subdiv any

2785
01:57:59,520 --> 01:58:02,000
new developments specifically new

2786
01:58:02,000 --> 01:58:04,719
developments with higher density in

2787
01:58:04,719 --> 01:58:07,920
lower density we've protected the

2788
01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:12,480
citizens around them and so um and or

2789
01:58:12,480 --> 01:58:14,800
we've asked that that they at least be

2790
01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:19,360
considered in the process because they are already there and I get that

2791
01:58:19,360 --> 01:58:20,960
we're talking about what has to happen

2792
01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:25,520
to make it work. Um I do like

2793
01:58:25,520 --> 01:58:27,520
an opportunity of different product

2794
01:58:27,520 --> 01:58:29,920
type. Um

2795
01:58:29,920 --> 01:58:35,280
and and specifically this product type I think um could work for

2796
01:58:35,280 --> 01:58:38,320
some of our younger families um where we

2797
01:58:38,320 --> 01:58:40,719
have a disparity of you know not that

2798
01:58:40,719 --> 01:58:44,320
product type but protecting those around

2799
01:58:44,320 --> 01:58:47,040
them. First and foremost, I I do have a

2800
01:58:47,040 --> 01:58:49,599
you know you know when we talk about how

2801
01:58:49,599 --> 01:58:56,149
many people we put into this space this

2802
01:58:56,159 --> 01:58:59,199
permitted um creates a concern that I

2803
01:58:59,199 --> 01:59:01,920
have from a safety standpoint. Um and I

2804
01:59:01,920 --> 01:59:03,599
and I've and I vocalize that. And then

2805
01:59:03,599 --> 01:59:06,480
the other component is is yeah just just

2806
01:59:06,480 --> 01:59:10,400
where where they go specifically. Um I

2807
01:59:10,400 --> 01:59:12,159
don't know his citizen mentioned one you

2808
01:59:12,159 --> 01:59:14,080
know one issue that we had along this

2809
01:59:14,080 --> 01:59:17,520
area these these kids will probably go

2810
01:59:17,520 --> 01:59:20,239
down that road which will create a whole

2811
01:59:20,239 --> 01:59:22,560
another thing that as a city we'll have

2812
01:59:22,560 --> 01:59:24,320
to address with you do to ensure that

2813
01:59:24,320 --> 01:59:26,880
they can travel safely

2814
01:59:26,880 --> 01:59:29,199
along along those roadways to get into

2815
01:59:29,199 --> 01:59:32,159
or you know side

2816
01:59:32,159 --> 01:59:34,480
highway along this the highway to get

2817
01:59:34,480 --> 01:59:37,920
into town. So, um, those are the

2818
01:59:37,920 --> 01:59:39,199
concerns that I've

2819
01:59:39,199 --> 01:59:42,000
>> Right. Well, we just need to, and I

2820
01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:43,360
don't this, you probably won't like

2821
01:59:43,360 --> 01:59:45,199
this, Joe, but I think

2822
01:59:45,199 --> 01:59:48,159
>> we just need to table this decision till

2823
01:59:48,159 --> 01:59:50,239
we can work out the West Foundry and the

2824
01:59:50,239 --> 01:59:51,760
parks

2825
01:59:51,760 --> 01:59:53,679
and come up with a solution. The

2826
01:59:53,679 --> 01:59:55,440
citizens could talk to us as council

2827
01:59:55,440 --> 01:59:57,280
members. We can try and come up with a

2828
01:59:57,280 --> 02:00:02,560
solution. But that's just my opinion.

2829
02:00:02,560 --> 02:00:04,239
And one thing back to what Jake was

2830
02:00:04,239 --> 02:00:06,239
saying is that the city would then be

2831
02:00:06,239 --> 02:00:08,719
feel responsible for creating safe

2832
02:00:08,719 --> 02:00:10,800
travel there along Main Street and that

2833
02:00:10,800 --> 02:00:12,800
is UD do's property. So there would be

2834
02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:14,159
nothing we could do about it. It would

2835
02:00:14,159 --> 02:00:16,480
be completely up to you DOT when they

2836
02:00:16,480 --> 02:00:20,400
added sidewalks or um added an

2837
02:00:20,400 --> 02:00:22,560
additional lane going each direction.

2838
02:00:22,560 --> 02:00:24,800
It's something obviously we are wishing

2839
02:00:24,800 --> 02:00:26,560
they would do immediately, but they

2840
02:00:26,560 --> 02:00:28,560
aren't and it's not anything we have any

2841
02:00:28,560 --> 02:00:32,159
control over. So that is a concern

2842
02:00:32,159 --> 02:00:34,560
>> because that's outside, right? So was

2843
02:00:34,560 --> 02:00:37,840
that was that discussed in in

2844
02:00:37,840 --> 02:00:41,040
>> P&Z? Like did they cover that at all or

2845
02:00:41,040 --> 02:00:42,480
>> I mean they talked about like the

2846
02:00:42,480 --> 02:00:44,800
traffic study and and what that you know

2847
02:00:44,800 --> 02:00:46,719
would look like, but again it's outside

2848
02:00:46,719 --> 02:00:49,360
of our scope. We don't control what UD

2849
02:00:49,360 --> 02:00:50,400
do's going to do

2850
02:00:50,400 --> 02:00:52,000
>> and I I don't know that it's even in the

2851
02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:54,480
MU code

2852
02:00:54,480 --> 02:00:56,800
to be honest with you.

2853
02:00:56,800 --> 02:00:59,199
like

2854
02:00:59,199 --> 02:01:02,880
um I think what you're asking is to

2855
02:01:02,880 --> 02:01:04,639
solve

2856
02:01:04,639 --> 02:01:07,280
a a problem that

2857
02:01:07,280 --> 02:01:09,119
is a city problem and stuff but not

2858
02:01:09,119 --> 02:01:10,880
necessarily it's not a development

2859
02:01:10,880 --> 02:01:12,880
question.

2860
02:01:12,880 --> 02:01:13,280
Right.

2861
02:01:13,280 --> 02:01:16,400
>> Right. and and so so to

2862
02:01:16,400 --> 02:01:22,880
>> so the the decision to make it part of an MU is

2863
02:01:22,880 --> 02:01:26,719
easier now than if we have to go to a

2864
02:01:26,719 --> 02:01:28,639
permitted thing or if we go to you know

2865
02:01:28,639 --> 02:01:30,480
those things

2866
02:01:30,480 --> 02:01:32,400
um

2867
02:01:32,400 --> 02:01:33,599
you know I don't know what the

2868
02:01:33,599 --> 02:01:37,360
properties between do you have that is

2869
02:01:37,360 --> 02:01:39,760
it the Hunts law what's what's on the

2870
02:01:39,760 --> 02:01:41,119
very

2871
02:01:41,119 --> 02:01:43,280
>> east side Oh,

2872
02:01:43,280 --> 02:01:49,109
>> right here.

2873
02:01:49,119 --> 02:01:50,000
» Yeah, it's

2874
02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:50,239
>> Yeah.

2875
02:01:50,239 --> 02:01:52,719
>> Who's that?

2876
02:01:52,719 --> 02:01:55,520
>> So, you you take 20 ft from his

2877
02:01:55,520 --> 02:01:57,599
property, right? And make a make a

2878
02:01:57,599 --> 02:01:58,960
walkway down to the Maverick

2879
02:01:58,960 --> 02:02:01,119
intersection. I don't know. But it seems

2880
02:02:01,119 --> 02:02:04,480
like some give and take. But the two

2881
02:02:04,480 --> 02:02:07,040
biggest concerns I think are are the

2882
02:02:07,040 --> 02:02:10,159
west boundary and parks. And those are

2883
02:02:10,159 --> 02:02:12,719
the two things I think we've solved.

2884
02:02:12,719 --> 02:02:14,880
Like we've talked about the the maximum

2885
02:02:14,880 --> 02:02:16,560
distance.

2886
02:02:16,560 --> 02:02:19,360
We've talked about that that you can

2887
02:02:19,360 --> 02:02:22,320
dictate. I mean I know that parks the

2888
02:02:22,320 --> 02:02:24,080
yellow doesn't look like parks but they

2889
02:02:24,080 --> 02:02:26,800
are in every community.

2890
02:02:26,800 --> 02:02:28,880
There's things that are built there.

2891
02:02:28,880 --> 02:02:31,119
>> Um we just did one that had a slide in

2892
02:02:31,119 --> 02:02:32,320
it,

2893
02:02:32,320 --> 02:02:33,840
>> you know, down the hillside for the

2894
02:02:33,840 --> 02:02:35,360
storm detention. Yeah. Things like that.

2895
02:02:35,360 --> 02:02:37,920
I mean there there are parks.

2896
02:02:37,920 --> 02:02:40,880
uh they're just not we haven't gone that

2897
02:02:40,880 --> 02:02:44,080
far into this plan and I don't know

2898
02:02:44,080 --> 02:02:46,000
there's no I don't know of any study

2899
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:49,599
that says for every

2900
02:02:49,599 --> 02:02:51,199
200 homes you got to have x amount of

2901
02:02:51,199 --> 02:02:54,239
acres of park cuz you do have an open

2902
02:02:54,239 --> 02:02:57,040
space requirement that we've met so

2903
02:02:57,040 --> 02:02:59,199
we've you know we've really worked hard

2904
02:02:59,199 --> 02:03:02,080
to meet your requirements there's some

2905
02:03:02,080 --> 02:03:04,320
that I can't solve that are above and

2906
02:03:04,320 --> 02:03:07,040
beyond what the development the land use

2907
02:03:07,040 --> 02:03:11,350
ordinance was meant to do.

2908
02:03:11,360 --> 02:03:13,280
So, and and if you want to table it, I

2909
02:03:13,280 --> 02:03:15,360
would rather have very specific

2910
02:03:15,360 --> 02:03:18,960
guidelines, meaning if we hold if we

2911
02:03:18,960 --> 02:03:22,159
hold one meeting with the neighbors

2912
02:03:22,159 --> 02:03:24,080
and and what three of you can't be

2913
02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:28,000
there, but two councilmen are there and they can and they can

2914
02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:29,760
>> I believe we can even notice that as an

2915
02:03:29,760 --> 02:03:31,440
as a um work session,

2916
02:03:31,440 --> 02:03:32,080
>> I would be fine.

2917
02:03:32,080 --> 02:03:33,679
>> And then the all council members can be

2918
02:03:33,679 --> 02:03:35,199
present. Correct.

2919
02:03:35,199 --> 02:03:36,480
>> Yes.

2920
02:03:36,480 --> 02:03:38,400
you know, but I what I don't want is to

2921
02:03:38,400 --> 02:03:39,760
think we're just going to table this for

2922
02:03:39,760 --> 02:03:42,880
six months and and wait,

2923
02:03:42,880 --> 02:03:45,679
you know, as things

2924
02:03:45,679 --> 02:03:47,119
I mean, I've already waited three or

2925
02:03:47,119 --> 02:03:50,639
four years for this and it it's not I

2926
02:03:50,639 --> 02:03:52,239
mean, they think it's easy. It's an

2927
02:03:52,239 --> 02:03:55,520
arduous, very hard process that you go

2928
02:03:55,520 --> 02:03:57,920
through with all the reviews and the

2929
02:03:57,920 --> 02:03:59,119
time and the engineering. I've done a

2930
02:03:59,119 --> 02:04:00,480
full scale engineering on this and I

2931
02:04:00,480 --> 02:04:01,280
don't even know if I'm going to get

2932
02:04:01,280 --> 02:04:03,199
approval,

2933
02:04:03,199 --> 02:04:04,960
you know, because of the the way that

2934
02:04:04,960 --> 02:04:08,000
the code is read. So, we we read the

2935
02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:12,080
code to benefit the city in exactness,

2936
02:04:12,080 --> 02:04:13,599
right? So, that's that's what I'm

2937
02:04:13,599 --> 02:04:15,840
saying. Let's let's make it urgent.

2938
02:04:15,840 --> 02:04:17,679
>> Well, I guess my question is in 2022

2939
02:04:17,679 --> 02:04:18,719
though, you could have completed it,

2940
02:04:18,719 --> 02:04:19,920
right? you were approved for that.

2941
02:04:19,920 --> 02:04:22,400
>> Um, well, there was debate then and none

2942
02:04:22,400 --> 02:04:24,080
of you maybe I don't think any of you

2943
02:04:24,080 --> 02:04:25,760
were there at the time, but there was a

2944
02:04:25,760 --> 02:04:27,360
big debate between Romney's and the

2945
02:04:27,360 --> 02:04:31,199
Grantsville City Improvement District,

2946
02:04:31,199 --> 02:04:34,159
>> the PID that the Romney have that really

2947
02:04:34,159 --> 02:04:35,920
it it really is Gransville City, right?

2948
02:04:35,920 --> 02:04:39,040
It's not Romney's I don't know the

2949
02:04:39,040 --> 02:04:40,080
mechanism, but that came

2950
02:04:40,080 --> 02:04:40,560
>> RDA

2951
02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:42,480
>> the RDA. So yeah, the redevelopment

2952
02:04:42,480 --> 02:04:46,880
agency became a big uh sticking point

2953
02:04:46,880 --> 02:04:47,920
and um

2954
02:04:47,920 --> 02:04:50,880
>> so the one in 2022 was not approved.

2955
02:04:50,880 --> 02:04:54,080
>> Uh it was approved but then then after

2956
02:04:54,080 --> 02:04:56,000
the it was never recorded but after the

2957
02:04:56,000 --> 02:04:57,679
approval so so that plan was never

2958
02:04:57,679 --> 02:04:59,920
recorded and according to Grantsville

2959
02:04:59,920 --> 02:05:01,040
code

2960
02:05:01,040 --> 02:05:04,320
>> after one year it just gone.

2961
02:05:04,320 --> 02:05:06,639
>> It expires. Yeah. You don't start the

2962
02:05:06,639 --> 02:05:08,239
>> Yeah. if you don't if after if you don't

2963
02:05:08,239 --> 02:05:10,480
record the plat but at the time Romney's

2964
02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:12,719
were coming saying hey we want you know

2965
02:05:12,719 --> 02:05:14,880
half a million dollars

2966
02:05:14,880 --> 02:05:16,719
to repay this stuff and I said well show

2967
02:05:16,719 --> 02:05:18,719
me the agreement and there was a big

2968
02:05:18,719 --> 02:05:23,040
fight and we waited and even to this day

2969
02:05:23,040 --> 02:05:25,199
you know Shelby got an email from them

2970
02:05:25,199 --> 02:05:27,440
saying well Joe reneged on his agreement

2971
02:05:27,440 --> 02:05:30,080
and that's not the case but so there's a

2972
02:05:30,080 --> 02:05:32,560
lot of political

2973
02:05:32,560 --> 02:05:36,000
stuff that got us to here so and and you

2974
02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:40,560
guys weren't privy to that. But this is something that, like I said, we

2975
02:05:40,560 --> 02:05:42,880
put hours and hours and hours and

2976
02:05:42,880 --> 02:05:46,719
hundreds of thousands of dollars into to make it much better than your

2977
02:05:46,719 --> 02:05:51,030
permitted process.

2978
02:05:51,040 --> 02:05:53,520
And I'm acquiescing like I'm trying to

2979
02:05:53,520 --> 02:05:57,119
do what you're asking me.

2980
02:05:57,119 --> 02:05:59,199
I mean, I guess

2981
02:05:59,199 --> 02:06:01,920
yeah, I don't know what else to do.

2982
02:06:01,920 --> 02:06:05,360
>> So So this Sorry, go ahead. This hasn't

2983
02:06:05,360 --> 02:06:07,679
gone through reszone. It was MU in 2022,

2984
02:06:07,679 --> 02:06:08,239
right?

2985
02:06:08,239 --> 02:06:12,159
>> So when it annexed in, it was zoned MU.

2986
02:06:12,159 --> 02:06:12,560
>> Okay.

2987
02:06:12,560 --> 02:06:15,920
>> So yeah, we haven't done a reszone

2988
02:06:15,920 --> 02:06:20,310
to go to this project.

2989
02:06:20,320 --> 02:06:22,400
» Feel like we're being punished because

2990
02:06:22,400 --> 02:06:23,840
of what the Romney are doing.

2991
02:06:23,840 --> 02:06:26,080
>> Yeah. Because there's like

2992
02:06:26,080 --> 02:06:28,080
>> not as good as a plan as the original.

2993
02:06:28,080 --> 02:06:29,679
>> Yeah. So now it's worse.

2994
02:06:29,679 --> 02:06:31,520
>> But what I think he's asking is give us

2995
02:06:31,520 --> 02:06:33,040
direction. What what do you guys want to

2996
02:06:33,040 --> 02:06:36,000
see on this west side? Um do you guys

2997
02:06:36,000 --> 02:06:37,440
want a work meeting?

2998
02:06:37,440 --> 02:06:38,880
>> I think we should address the west side

2999
02:06:38,880 --> 02:06:41,280
and I think a work meeting would would

3000
02:06:41,280 --> 02:06:44,639
uh would be beneficial and and um keep

3001
02:06:44,639 --> 02:06:47,920
that open but but obviously you know

3002
02:06:47,920 --> 02:06:49,360
under control so to speak,

3003
02:06:49,360 --> 02:06:49,920
>> right?

3004
02:06:49,920 --> 02:06:52,480
>> And um

3005
02:06:52,480 --> 02:06:54,639
yeah, I think we can come to some sort

3006
02:06:54,639 --> 02:06:57,119
of compromise. I think the buffer is

3007
02:06:57,119 --> 02:06:59,040
probably the main thing. we understand

3008
02:06:59,040 --> 02:07:00,800
that you have your land rights and I

3009
02:07:00,800 --> 02:07:02,800
think there was multiple citizens that

3010
02:07:02,800 --> 02:07:04,159
mentioned that you know and what they

3011
02:07:04,159 --> 02:07:07,440
said and and you were able to develop

3012
02:07:07,440 --> 02:07:09,199
this

3013
02:07:09,199 --> 02:07:12,639
they'll understand that so but if we

3014
02:07:12,639 --> 02:07:14,320
could come to some sort of compromise I

3015
02:07:14,320 --> 02:07:16,320
think that would be helpful

3016
02:07:16,320 --> 02:07:18,800
>> what what is normal for a work meeting

3017
02:07:18,800 --> 02:07:21,440
like days notice you have to give them

3018
02:07:21,440 --> 02:07:23,520
>> oh okay can we have so what's everyone

3019
02:07:23,520 --> 02:07:26,800
doing on Thursday [laughter]

3020
02:07:26,800 --> 02:07:28,239
here depending on if there's a public

3021
02:07:28,239 --> 02:07:29,280
hearing component.

3022
02:07:29,280 --> 02:07:30,480
>> No, this shouldn't have it where we've

3023
02:07:30,480 --> 02:07:33,440
done our public hearings.

3024
02:07:33,440 --> 02:07:37,119
>> Never mind. Friday.

3025
02:07:37,119 --> 02:07:37,599
>> Go ahead.

3026
02:07:37,599 --> 02:07:40,719
>> Like, is it tomorrow? [laughter]

3027
02:07:40,719 --> 02:07:41,679
>> That's what he said.

3028
02:07:41,679 --> 02:07:43,360
>> They said there's

3029
02:07:43,360 --> 02:07:44,880
>> Well, I guess that would be tomorrow,

3030
02:07:44,880 --> 02:07:47,360
huh? It feels like Thursday already.

3031
02:07:47,360 --> 02:07:48,960
>> It's almost Thursday and it might be

3032
02:07:48,960 --> 02:07:50,639
Thursday if we're not careful.

3033
02:07:50,639 --> 02:07:51,440
>> Yeah.

3034
02:07:51,440 --> 02:07:53,520
>> I just for my I don't like this as it

3035
02:07:53,520 --> 02:07:54,960
is. I don't like it that he could do the

3036
02:07:54,960 --> 02:07:57,520
town homestead and be permitted use. I I

3037
02:07:57,520 --> 02:07:58,960
just I think there's somewhere that's

3038
02:07:58,960 --> 02:08:00,320
like that

3039
02:08:00,320 --> 02:08:02,320
>> just I live like so when we were on

3040
02:08:02,320 --> 02:08:03,920
Eagle Mountain this is exactly what ours

3041
02:08:03,920 --> 02:08:06,480
the rear alley garages but we were in

3042
02:08:06,480 --> 02:08:08,320
the middle of nowhere with and I'll tell

3043
02:08:08,320 --> 02:08:09,520
you where the kids played. It was in the

3044
02:08:09,520 --> 02:08:10,800
alleyway. That's exactly where they

3045
02:08:10,800 --> 02:08:14,159
played because we had small Yeah. In the

3046
02:08:14,159 --> 02:08:16,320
roadway. I mean we had but we were very

3047
02:08:16,320 --> 02:08:17,840
far from a highway. This is right next

3048
02:08:17,840 --> 02:08:19,840
to a highway. We've got traffic. It's I

3049
02:08:19,840 --> 02:08:22,000
don't like this as it is. I'm again I

3050
02:08:22,000 --> 02:08:23,360
know he has rights and could do the

3051
02:08:23,360 --> 02:08:24,400
permitted use. I don't like the

3052
02:08:24,400 --> 02:08:26,079
permitted use either to be honest. I

3053
02:08:26,079 --> 02:08:28,000
think that this is a lot in a very small

3054
02:08:28,000 --> 02:08:30,000
area. And I'm not saying he can't do

3055
02:08:30,000 --> 02:08:31,760
what he can do, but I think there needs

3056
02:08:31,760 --> 02:08:33,040
to be some

3057
02:08:33,040 --> 02:08:33,840
>> well changes.

3058
02:08:33,840 --> 02:08:35,119
>> So, one thing too I want to bring up,

3059
02:08:35,119 --> 02:08:38,719
we're focused on Main Street 112 a lot.

3060
02:08:38,719 --> 02:08:40,560
What's this going to do to Dery? That

3061
02:08:40,560 --> 02:08:43,679
intersection is already messed up. It,

3062
02:08:43,679 --> 02:08:45,280
you know, that is going to have a big

3063
02:08:45,280 --> 02:08:46,719
toll on this, too, because people are

3064
02:08:46,719 --> 02:08:48,560
going to go out on Dery. Can't turn

3065
02:08:48,560 --> 02:08:51,360
left, only turn right. It's going to

3066
02:08:51,360 --> 02:08:54,480
cause a headache right there as well. go

3067
02:08:54,480 --> 02:08:56,320
down and try to make a U-turn there.

3068
02:08:56,320 --> 02:08:58,320
Exactly. Which some people

3069
02:08:58,320 --> 02:08:59,280
>> try to do.

3070
02:08:59,280 --> 02:08:59,840
>> Yeah.

3071
02:08:59,840 --> 02:09:01,360
>> Well, and one thing what some of the

3072
02:09:01,360 --> 02:09:02,719
citizens brought up was just a safety

3073
02:09:02,719 --> 02:09:03,920
concern. Fire getting in there.

3074
02:09:03,920 --> 02:09:05,599
>> I know that's not your issue. That's a U

3075
02:09:05,599 --> 02:09:07,199
dot issue, but it

3076
02:09:07,199 --> 02:09:09,360
>> I just I want to be clear to keep it to

3077
02:09:09,360 --> 02:09:11,920
devel like like keep development issues.

3078
02:09:11,920 --> 02:09:14,079
>> I'm with it. But it does it does bring

3079
02:09:14,079 --> 02:09:17,280
up I mean they they they do come it is

3080
02:09:17,280 --> 02:09:19,040
that issue, but they do come together

3081
02:09:19,040 --> 02:09:21,599
when we compound it by

3082
02:09:21,599 --> 02:09:23,920
>> put by Yeah. by 200.

3083
02:09:23,920 --> 02:09:25,199
>> Well, it may not be a developer issue,

3084
02:09:25,199 --> 02:09:26,639
but it's could become a city issue. So,

3085
02:09:26,639 --> 02:09:28,560
I mean, whether it's you do or whoever

3086
02:09:28,560 --> 02:09:30,159
it's the citizens that are going to be,

3087
02:09:30,159 --> 02:09:31,040
we have to be

3088
02:09:31,040 --> 02:09:32,079
>> right.

3089
02:09:32,079 --> 02:09:35,280
>> Whoever we address that is, you know,

3090
02:09:35,280 --> 02:09:36,960
>> potentially. So,

3091
02:09:36,960 --> 02:09:39,280
>> do we have I mean, our traffic study

3092
02:09:39,280 --> 02:09:40,800
addressed that

3093
02:09:40,800 --> 02:09:43,199
>> cook one too.

3094
02:09:43,199 --> 02:09:44,880
>> Correct. But I mean,

3095
02:09:44,880 --> 02:09:46,239
>> so I don't I don't know I don't know

3096
02:09:46,239 --> 02:09:48,000
what to do other than give you here's

3097
02:09:48,000 --> 02:09:49,920
what an independent engineer for traffic

3098
02:09:49,920 --> 02:09:51,679
says. So,

3099
02:09:51,679 --> 02:09:53,760
>> when was that traffic study done?

3100
02:09:53,760 --> 02:09:55,440
>> Uh, before when we we were going to turn

3101
02:09:55,440 --> 02:09:57,440
in the permitted town homes, we updated

3102
02:09:57,440 --> 02:10:02,480
the we updated the traffic plan then.

3103
02:10:02,480 --> 02:10:04,320
So, it it was it accommodated all of

3104
02:10:04,320 --> 02:10:06,079
these and and when we turned in our

3105
02:10:06,079 --> 02:10:07,679
encroachment permit to UD do they

3106
02:10:07,679 --> 02:10:10,000
reviewed it, too.

3107
02:10:10,000 --> 02:10:12,800
>> Yeah. I mean, you got high density going

3108
02:10:12,800 --> 02:10:16,159
on the north side of this.

3109
02:10:16,159 --> 02:10:17,360
>> Yes.

3110
02:10:17,360 --> 02:10:18,079
>> No.

3111
02:10:18,079 --> 02:10:20,560
Behind Maverick. That's strict.

3112
02:10:20,560 --> 02:10:22,880
>> But that's not north of this.

3113
02:10:22,880 --> 02:10:24,880
>> That was west of this project.

3114
02:10:24,880 --> 02:10:26,480
>> Northwest of this area.

3115
02:10:26,480 --> 02:10:28,800
>> But still,

3116
02:10:28,800 --> 02:10:30,159
>> are they are they there? Have they come

3117
02:10:30,159 --> 02:10:31,679
through the process?

3118
02:10:31,679 --> 02:10:32,480
>> No.

3119
02:10:32,480 --> 02:10:32,960
>> Partially.

3120
02:10:32,960 --> 02:10:34,480
>> Yeah,

3121
02:10:34,480 --> 02:10:37,440
>> because they're asking for a reason.

3122
02:10:37,440 --> 02:10:39,199
>> They came in and gave a conceptual and

3123
02:10:39,199 --> 02:10:43,440
asked for opinion was on the conceptual.

3124
02:10:43,440 --> 02:10:48,790
>> It's back in their hands.

3125
02:10:48,800 --> 02:10:51,599
But there is additional high density to

3126
02:10:51,599 --> 02:10:53,840
the south of this in the Romney's

3127
02:10:53,840 --> 02:10:56,639
residential development

3128
02:10:56,639 --> 02:10:57,360
>> directly.

3129
02:10:57,360 --> 02:10:59,040
>> But see this this is why it's really

3130
02:10:59,040 --> 02:11:00,800
important that we keep focused.

3131
02:11:00,800 --> 02:11:03,119
>> I I this this could this could swallow

3132
02:11:03,119 --> 02:11:05,360
up and we get we get off on tangents,

3133
02:11:05,360 --> 02:11:05,760
>> right?

3134
02:11:05,760 --> 02:11:07,300
>> What does the code what does the code

3135
02:11:07,300 --> 02:11:13,679
[clears throat] say? because you know I guarantee you if I don't know who owns

3136
02:11:13,679 --> 02:11:16,639
that property on the north of there uh

3137
02:11:16,639 --> 02:11:16,880
but

3138
02:11:16,880 --> 02:11:18,079
>> that's not a part of this so that's what

3139
02:11:18,079 --> 02:11:18,639
we're talking about

3140
02:11:18,639 --> 02:11:20,400
>> well I know but it is it is becoming

3141
02:11:20,400 --> 02:11:21,760
part of it because it's it's taking us

3142
02:11:21,760 --> 02:11:23,199
out of the parameters so I would just

3143
02:11:23,199 --> 02:11:27,599
say stick to what the land use code is

3144
02:11:27,599 --> 02:11:30,220
>> you know and the things that can be uh

3145
02:11:30,220 --> 02:11:32,239
[snorts] done within it and the things

3146
02:11:32,239 --> 02:11:34,239
that we've done to make it better

3147
02:11:34,239 --> 02:11:36,000
>> but that's been the problem with grand

3148
02:11:36,000 --> 02:11:37,760
for so long is we're thinking in this

3149
02:11:37,760 --> 02:11:40,320
box. This is a public safety issue. Even

3150
02:11:40,320 --> 02:11:42,400
if it is you do or not, we've got to

3151
02:11:42,400 --> 02:11:44,800
think I've got to look at that, too.

3152
02:11:44,800 --> 02:11:47,360
>> And and it we'll look at your land use

3153
02:11:47,360 --> 02:11:49,040
thing. We we'll prove whatever comes to

3154
02:11:49,040 --> 02:11:51,040
us, but we got to keep it in the back of

3155
02:11:51,040 --> 02:11:53,119
our minds, too, that it it will

3156
02:11:53,119 --> 02:11:54,560
eventually. And maybe it's not dealt

3157
02:11:54,560 --> 02:11:56,719
with you, but we need to be aware that

3158
02:11:56,719 --> 02:11:58,960
this will become a public safety issue.

3159
02:11:58,960 --> 02:12:02,239
>> And I I want you to I really do. I I

3160
02:12:02,239 --> 02:12:04,320
know that that seems disingenuous, but I

3161
02:12:04,320 --> 02:12:06,000
appreciate that. Well, and we can't

3162
02:12:06,000 --> 02:12:07,280
really look at things in a vacuum of

3163
02:12:07,280 --> 02:12:09,040
just like just we have to look at

3164
02:12:09,040 --> 02:12:12,079
everything because that's I mean yeah as

3165
02:12:12,079 --> 02:12:14,079
to this developer. Yes. But I mean we

3166
02:12:14,079 --> 02:12:16,880
can't just go oh yeah look here here. I mean

3167
02:12:16,880 --> 02:12:19,119
>> but here's here's here's what happens.

3168
02:12:19,119 --> 02:12:21,599
This this project goes in Ramy's have to

3169
02:12:21,599 --> 02:12:23,040
come with now their traffic study and

3170
02:12:23,040 --> 02:12:24,880
they have to account right so it's not

3171
02:12:24,880 --> 02:12:27,040
like you can just build just because

3172
02:12:27,040 --> 02:12:29,040
they they still have traffic counts that

3173
02:12:29,040 --> 02:12:31,520
they'll have to prove to you. but theirs

3174
02:12:31,520 --> 02:12:34,000
is already approved. So, they won't have

3175
02:12:34,000 --> 02:12:35,760
to have new traffic study even though

3176
02:12:35,760 --> 02:12:38,800
you're going to add 250 something units

3177
02:12:38,800 --> 02:12:39,199
in here.

3178
02:12:39,199 --> 02:12:41,920
>> They've been here and got plat approval.

3179
02:12:41,920 --> 02:12:42,880
>> Right. Right.

3180
02:12:42,880 --> 02:12:44,560
>> They have PUB approval. They don't have

3181
02:12:44,560 --> 02:12:49,199
plat approval. But I mean, the fact is their numbers ain't counting for

3182
02:12:49,199 --> 02:12:50,400
Joe's and Joe's.

3183
02:12:50,400 --> 02:12:51,840
>> Neither one are accounting for the

3184
02:12:51,840 --> 02:12:52,480
other.

3185
02:12:52,480 --> 02:12:53,119
>> But if they have,

3186
02:12:53,119 --> 02:12:54,079
>> but we need to account.

3187
02:12:54,079 --> 02:12:56,320
>> I would love to see their PUD approval

3188
02:12:56,320 --> 02:12:58,320
>> and when they got it because I'll bet

3189
02:12:58,320 --> 02:13:00,719
you it's similar then.

3190
02:13:00,719 --> 02:13:04,310
And

3191
02:13:04,320 --> 02:13:07,280
I'm just saying don't

3192
02:13:07,280 --> 02:13:10,079
let's just stick to what the code is and

3193
02:13:10,079 --> 02:13:13,679
the things I'm willing to do

3194
02:13:13,679 --> 02:13:15,840
versus

3195
02:13:15,840 --> 02:13:18,079
you know the whatifs the whatifs of the

3196
02:13:18,079 --> 02:13:20,800
world.

3197
02:13:20,800 --> 02:13:23,040
I think one positive is is that it is it

3198
02:13:23,040 --> 02:13:25,840
is a different product type

3199
02:13:25,840 --> 02:13:29,040
that we've seen and that's

3200
02:13:29,040 --> 02:13:31,199
>> yeah if we have a disparity in age group

3201
02:13:31,199 --> 02:13:33,679
inside this city it's between the ages

3202
02:13:33,679 --> 02:13:38,000
of 18 and probably 25

3203
02:13:38,000 --> 02:13:39,760
none of those young families have a

3204
02:13:39,760 --> 02:13:40,560
place to live

3205
02:13:40,560 --> 02:13:41,040
>> right

3206
02:13:41,040 --> 02:13:44,079
>> so um

3207
02:13:44,079 --> 02:13:46,159
that's why most of them live outside the

3208
02:13:46,159 --> 02:13:50,560
city so anyway I yeah I think I I think

3209
02:13:50,560 --> 02:13:52,960
if we can get if we can have a work

3210
02:13:52,960 --> 02:13:55,840
session and we can address those two

3211
02:13:55,840 --> 02:14:00,320
items that I feel are of concern

3212
02:14:00,320 --> 02:14:04,390
um

3213
02:14:04,400 --> 02:14:06,560
that addresses the two concerns I have.

3214
02:14:06,560 --> 02:14:08,960
I if we're looking to do something

3215
02:14:08,960 --> 02:14:12,320
outside of that. Yeah, that's that's

3216
02:14:12,320 --> 02:14:14,480
where I sit. And I don't know what to

3217
02:14:14,480 --> 02:14:16,639
tell the citizens about schools because

3218
02:14:16,639 --> 02:14:20,639
we we we keep getting

3219
02:14:20,639 --> 02:14:22,560
pressure that that's we keep getting

3220
02:14:22,560 --> 02:14:24,159
told that's not our responsibility,

3221
02:14:24,159 --> 02:14:26,159
which is the school districts. But we're

3222
02:14:26,159 --> 02:14:30,320
doing Jake sits on Jake's

3223
02:14:30,320 --> 02:14:32,159
going to the school district meetings,

3224
02:14:32,159 --> 02:14:34,960
which is the first councilman to do

3225
02:14:34,960 --> 02:14:38,000
that. We are waving every freaking flag

3226
02:14:38,000 --> 02:14:40,560
we can wave that all this group grow

3227
02:14:40,560 --> 02:14:42,719
group is coming

3228
02:14:42,719 --> 02:14:44,560
and I don't know that we're anywhere

3229
02:14:44,560 --> 02:14:47,280
other than where we were 10 years ago.

3230
02:14:47,280 --> 02:14:50,800
So we are trying but that's their job

3231
02:14:50,800 --> 02:14:54,239
and we are involved but I just wanted to

3232
02:14:54,239 --> 02:14:57,760
address the school issue the dot issue.

3233
02:14:57,760 --> 02:15:00,560
We try. We keep getting told that that's

3234
02:15:00,560 --> 02:15:03,199
their problem,

3235
02:15:03,199 --> 02:15:04,960
>> but it becomes our problem

3236
02:15:04,960 --> 02:15:08,079
>> and the schools and we're trying, but

3237
02:15:08,079 --> 02:15:12,480
we are just not a blip on the radar at

3238
02:15:12,480 --> 02:15:14,000
times. So,

3239
02:15:14,000 --> 02:15:16,320
>> I do want to point out that the um

3240
02:15:16,320 --> 02:15:18,000
school district has met with Bill and I

3241
02:15:18,000 --> 02:15:19,920
to go over what projects have invested

3242
02:15:19,920 --> 02:15:23,840
and and they do understand that the city

3243
02:15:23,840 --> 02:15:25,920
is growing very fast and that they do

3244
02:15:25,920 --> 02:15:27,280
understand that they need to start

3245
02:15:27,280 --> 02:15:29,360
planning new schools and larger schools

3246
02:15:29,360 --> 02:15:33,350
and where they're going to place those.

3247
02:15:33,360 --> 02:15:35,520
» Hallelujah.

3248
02:15:35,520 --> 02:15:37,760
still everyone whether it's the city

3249
02:15:37,760 --> 02:15:40,320
council, school district do or developer

3250
02:15:40,320 --> 02:15:48,870
it's the function of the money you can say that or not but it is and so

3251
02:15:48,880 --> 02:15:49,679
anyway [clears throat]

3252
02:15:49,679 --> 02:15:52,480
with that being said I can accommodate

3253
02:15:52,480 --> 02:15:54,639
the west side they may not like it but I

3254
02:15:54,639 --> 02:15:57,464
can we can come to a a happy

3255
02:15:57,464 --> 02:15:58,320
[clears throat] medium where they don't

3256
02:15:58,320 --> 02:16:00,320
like it and I don't like them not them

3257
02:16:00,320 --> 02:16:02,000
but I don't like what they're asking but

3258
02:16:02,000 --> 02:16:03,679
there's some something that we can work

3259
02:16:03,679 --> 02:16:07,189
out

3260
02:16:07,199 --> 02:16:08,719
Do we want to move towards that then

3261
02:16:08,719 --> 02:16:11,520
having a work meeting?

3262
02:16:11,520 --> 02:16:12,960
>> We already have a work meeting scheduled

3263
02:16:12,960 --> 02:16:14,560
in two weeks

3264
02:16:14,560 --> 02:16:15,840
>> or not.

3265
02:16:15,840 --> 02:16:17,920
>> Not yet. We could schedule one for the

3266
02:16:17,920 --> 02:16:19,679
next council meeting night at 6.

3267
02:16:19,679 --> 02:16:20,960
>> Yeah. Can we do it before? I'd like to

3268
02:16:20,960 --> 02:16:22,560
be on the next council meeting if we can

3269
02:16:22,560 --> 02:16:23,599
do it. I mean,

3270
02:16:23,599 --> 02:16:25,760
>> do the work session and then

3271
02:16:25,760 --> 02:16:27,280
>> I don't know. There won't be enough time

3272
02:16:27,280 --> 02:16:28,560
for me

3273
02:16:28,560 --> 02:16:30,800
>> to to address with my engineer unless we

3274
02:16:30,800 --> 02:16:33,679
just draw on paper.

3275
02:16:33,679 --> 02:16:35,519
But it will be

3276
02:16:35,519 --> 02:16:38,559
>> or we do it a super work session between

3277
02:16:38,559 --> 02:16:41,359
the in the next two weeks. Do it next

3278
02:16:41,359 --> 02:16:41,920
Wednesday.

3279
02:16:41,920 --> 02:16:43,519
>> It sounded like that was amanable if

3280
02:16:43,519 --> 02:16:46,479
people can accommodate it.

3281
02:16:46,479 --> 02:16:48,719
>> We also need to get staff

3282
02:16:48,719 --> 02:16:50,639
>> I won't be here but concept and make

3283
02:16:50,639 --> 02:16:51,840
sure it meets our conditions.

3284
02:16:51,840 --> 02:16:56,800
>> Would they work better or no?

3285
02:16:56,800 --> 02:16:58,880
I'll be

3286
02:16:58,880 --> 02:17:02,319
>> if we did it on September 2nd at 6 PM,

3287
02:17:02,319 --> 02:17:03,200
would that work for you?

3288
02:17:03,200 --> 02:17:04,399
>> That's a Thursday.

3289
02:17:04,399 --> 02:17:05,359
>> No, it's a Wednesday.

3290
02:17:05,359 --> 02:17:07,200
>> Wednesday. Yep. I'll I'll meet whatever

3291
02:17:07,200 --> 02:17:08,559
you guys need me to.

3292
02:17:08,559 --> 02:17:09,920
>> Then if it's not on that council

3293
02:17:09,920 --> 02:17:11,679
meeting, it'll be on this. We could put

3294
02:17:11,679 --> 02:17:13,679
it on the the second one. It would be

3295
02:17:13,679 --> 02:17:14,880
the 16th.

3296
02:17:14,880 --> 02:17:16,880
>> See, that's a whole another month.

3297
02:17:16,880 --> 02:17:18,479
>> No. Yeah, it would be a month.

3298
02:17:18,479 --> 02:17:21,200
>> See, that's I mean, here's here's the

3299
02:17:21,200 --> 02:17:23,679
problem I have. Everyone knows the time

3300
02:17:23,679 --> 02:17:26,559
cost of money, right? But

3301
02:17:26,559 --> 02:17:28,319
if if for some reason in that work

3302
02:17:28,319 --> 02:17:30,319
meeting it's just it's too hard and I go

3303
02:17:30,319 --> 02:17:33,040
back to the permit now I've got another

3304
02:17:33,040 --> 02:17:35,840
three months

3305
02:17:35,840 --> 02:17:38,080
to get approvals on the permitted one

3306
02:17:38,080 --> 02:17:40,319
and then you know you're not building

3307
02:17:40,319 --> 02:17:42,000
until you're not putting homes up till

3308
02:17:42,000 --> 02:17:43,439
the fall of the following by the time

3309
02:17:43,439 --> 02:17:45,439
you do construction

3310
02:17:45,439 --> 02:17:47,200
if this can get approved I can construct

3311
02:17:47,200 --> 02:17:48,479
during the winter and have homes in

3312
02:17:48,479 --> 02:17:50,399
spring

3313
02:17:50,399 --> 02:17:51,920
and and so that's my timeline that's

3314
02:17:51,920 --> 02:17:54,160
kind of it's very difficult to manage

3315
02:17:54,160 --> 02:17:57,359
this on on my end, not you know, it's

3316
02:17:57,359 --> 02:17:59,760
nobody else's issue, but these are my my

3317
02:17:59,760 --> 02:18:01,519
problems to manage. So, if we could do

3318
02:18:01,519 --> 02:18:04,319
it, if we can come to an agreement on

3319
02:18:04,319 --> 02:18:06,319
that work meeting,

3320
02:18:06,319 --> 02:18:07,040
>> right?

3321
02:18:07,040 --> 02:18:08,719
>> Or you want to have like a a meeting

3322
02:18:08,719 --> 02:18:10,319
with the residents and then bring that

3323
02:18:10,319 --> 02:18:11,760
to a work meeting

3324
02:18:11,760 --> 02:18:14,319
>> to the council on that Wednesday and

3325
02:18:14,319 --> 02:18:14,960
then have

3326
02:18:14,960 --> 02:18:16,319
>> I don't know how I do that other than

3327
02:18:16,319 --> 02:18:19,359
rent out a room here and just say they

3328
02:18:19,359 --> 02:18:20,880
can come.

3329
02:18:20,880 --> 02:18:21,439
>> My house,

3330
02:18:21,439 --> 02:18:22,875
>> we could do an open house here.

3331
02:18:22,875 --> 02:18:24,399
[laughter]

3332
02:18:24,399 --> 02:18:25,200
We could do [clears throat] an open

3333
02:18:25,200 --> 02:18:27,200
house here. You would you would host it

3334
02:18:27,200 --> 02:18:28,800
basically and then I could just notice

3335
02:18:28,800 --> 02:18:31,840
as a possible forum and that way

3336
02:18:31,840 --> 02:18:35,120
residents can give you input, but we

3337
02:18:35,120 --> 02:18:38,160
don't typically take public input at

3338
02:18:38,160 --> 02:18:40,559
work meetings.

3339
02:18:40,559 --> 02:18:42,319
>> But if we schedule for a specific work

3340
02:18:42,319 --> 02:18:44,719
type meeting, so there is

3341
02:18:44,719 --> 02:18:46,479
>> like an at Tyson,

3342
02:18:46,479 --> 02:18:51,359
>> I think the open house is probably the what what you're sort of trying to

3343
02:18:51,359 --> 02:18:52,960
accomplish here. I mean it would be

3344
02:18:52,960 --> 02:18:54,960
>> to to get the input from the public

3345
02:18:54,960 --> 02:18:57,120
while having council present and just

3346
02:18:57,120 --> 02:18:59,679
notice it as an open house. Council can

3347
02:18:59,679 --> 02:19:02,639
all be here as a quorum if they like and

3348
02:19:02,639 --> 02:19:05,840
uh then then it can have some back and

3349
02:19:05,840 --> 02:19:07,519
forth with with the community view.

3350
02:19:07,519 --> 02:19:09,439
>> Okay.

3351
02:19:09,439 --> 02:19:14,790
>> And that's only a 24-hour notice. So

3352
02:19:14,800 --> 02:19:16,559
» your next coun your next council meeting

3353
02:19:16,559 --> 02:19:17,519
is two week

3354
02:19:17,519 --> 02:19:18,080
>> September.

3355
02:19:18,080 --> 02:19:21,200
>> It's the first September 2nd.

3356
02:19:21,200 --> 02:19:24,319
So, does anytime the 23rd through the

3357
02:19:24,319 --> 02:19:26,319
29th work

3358
02:19:26,319 --> 02:19:28,240
>> the point?

3359
02:19:28,240 --> 02:19:30,240
>> Oh, yeah. I was just thinking the whole

3360
02:19:30,240 --> 02:19:31,200
week.

3361
02:19:31,200 --> 02:19:32,800
>> Yeah, you're right.

3362
02:19:32,800 --> 02:19:34,559
>> You also need to make sure you're

3363
02:19:34,559 --> 02:19:36,080
accounting to give your engineer enough

3364
02:19:36,080 --> 02:19:38,080
time to make changes as well as staff

3365
02:19:38,080 --> 02:19:39,599
enough time to

3366
02:19:39,599 --> 02:19:46,309
>> So, if we do it on the 25th or 26th,

3367
02:19:46,319 --> 02:19:49,200
what what day is better for staff?

3368
02:19:49,200 --> 02:19:50,640
>> Two weeks.

3369
02:19:50,640 --> 02:19:53,680
I know.

3370
02:19:53,680 --> 02:19:55,200
>> But if if we went two weeks, if we went

3371
02:19:55,200 --> 02:19:57,760
the second and we made

3372
02:19:57,760 --> 02:19:59,840
>> Joe, what about this suggestion? What if

3373
02:19:59,840 --> 02:20:03,359
we do an open house on September 2nd at

3374
02:20:03,359 --> 02:20:06,160
6:00 prior to the meeting? We could

3375
02:20:06,160 --> 02:20:08,240
perhaps put

3376
02:20:08,240 --> 02:20:10,240
go through this. We could have things

3377
02:20:10,240 --> 02:20:12,080
just in writing because that's basically

3378
02:20:12,080 --> 02:20:13,040
what we're looking for.

3379
02:20:13,040 --> 02:20:14,240
>> That's what we're doing anyway,

3380
02:20:14,240 --> 02:20:16,319
>> right? So, we could put this on the

3381
02:20:16,319 --> 02:20:18,399
agenda for September 2nd just as it is

3382
02:20:18,399 --> 02:20:21,840
now. Um, but all those things that come

3383
02:20:21,840 --> 02:20:25,439
we if we can come to a agreement between

3384
02:20:25,439 --> 02:20:27,040
everybody, a consensus, something that

3385
02:20:27,040 --> 02:20:29,520
everyone feels comfortable with, we can

3386
02:20:29,520 --> 02:20:32,560
continue on with that meeting um or with

3387
02:20:32,560 --> 02:20:36,000
the agenda on September 2nd. If you feel

3388
02:20:36,000 --> 02:20:37,760
like it's going to be better to go back

3389
02:20:37,760 --> 02:20:39,760
to your engineers after that September

3390
02:20:39,760 --> 02:20:42,240
2nd meeting, we can table it and move

3391
02:20:42,240 --> 02:20:44,640
you to the September 16th.

3392
02:20:44,640 --> 02:20:46,960
>> Okay? depending on how things play out

3393
02:20:46,960 --> 02:20:48,479
on the second.

3394
02:20:48,479 --> 02:20:50,080
>> I can live with a good solution.

3395
02:20:50,080 --> 02:20:52,800
>> So, what I'm hearing just so we can

3396
02:20:52,800 --> 02:20:54,720
>> is

3397
02:20:54,720 --> 02:20:56,800
uh Jake, I didn't I didn't get your

3398
02:20:56,800 --> 02:20:59,200
second. The first one was the west side

3399
02:20:59,200 --> 02:20:59,840
>> parks.

3400
02:20:59,840 --> 02:21:01,439
>> The parks and the parks I we can take

3401
02:21:01,439 --> 02:21:04,479
care of. I I'm pretty sure that we can

3402
02:21:04,479 --> 02:21:06,240
>> if you'll come with ideas what you want

3403
02:21:06,240 --> 02:21:08,399
>> and I know it's not fully designed so

3404
02:21:08,399 --> 02:21:08,800
maybe

3405
02:21:08,800 --> 02:21:09,520
>> Yeah, there's

3406
02:21:09,520 --> 02:21:11,680
>> come come in with what you anticipate

3407
02:21:11,680 --> 02:21:12,960
for those that would help.

3408
02:21:12,960 --> 02:21:15,680
>> Okay. I mean, we see a hole there right

3409
02:21:15,680 --> 02:21:16,560
now.

3410
02:21:16,560 --> 02:21:18,640
>> Yeah, I can I can surely have them put

3411
02:21:18,640 --> 02:21:20,080
some things in there and

3412
02:21:20,080 --> 02:21:21,840
>> trying to get an idea of what and how.

3413
02:21:21,840 --> 02:21:24,560
>> Let me let me ask you this. Is on the

3414
02:21:24,560 --> 02:21:26,640
west side buffer,

3415
02:21:26,640 --> 02:21:29,359
are you against things being there? Like

3416
02:21:29,359 --> 02:21:31,200
if there's a trail and

3417
02:21:31,200 --> 02:21:32,960
>> No, I'm not personally.

3418
02:21:32,960 --> 02:21:34,479
>> It's just not housing.

3419
02:21:34,479 --> 02:21:36,080
>> Yes. So, if we put some of our parks

3420
02:21:36,080 --> 02:21:38,640
and, you know, we wouldn't put huge

3421
02:21:38,640 --> 02:21:40,560
soccer fields, but maybe we'd put a

3422
02:21:40,560 --> 02:21:41,920
couple of mini ones in where people

3423
02:21:41,920 --> 02:21:43,600
could play soccer. And they're not

3424
02:21:43,600 --> 02:21:45,680
having full-fledged games anyway. You

3425
02:21:45,680 --> 02:21:47,200
know, even even you put

3426
02:21:47,200 --> 02:21:49,520
>> Would it be better for you to put a

3427
02:21:49,520 --> 02:21:53,280
larger lot on there from a stamp from a

3428
02:21:53,280 --> 02:21:55,520
>> Well, but it doesn't Yes, but it doesn't

3429
02:21:55,520 --> 02:21:59,840
accomplish what you're asking. We could put some bigger lots

3430
02:21:59,840 --> 02:22:01,600
>> because it creates a buffer, right? It

3431
02:22:01,600 --> 02:22:03,439
creates a buffer similar to what's on

3432
02:22:03,439 --> 02:22:05,680
the other side. So that's why I was just

3433
02:22:05,680 --> 02:22:08,000
wondering like rather than than go the

3434
02:22:08,000 --> 02:22:11,439
route of no space, nothing there at all,

3435
02:22:11,439 --> 02:22:14,560
a home there with the backyard that's

3436
02:22:14,560 --> 02:22:16,720
going to be

3437
02:22:16,720 --> 02:22:19,200
Yeah. I'm just I was just wondering why

3438
02:22:19,200 --> 02:22:21,359
I was just that was a question. I just

3439
02:22:21,359 --> 02:22:21,680
>> um

3440
02:22:21,680 --> 02:22:22,560
>> when you mention

3441
02:22:22,560 --> 02:22:24,160
>> the answer the answer maybe maybe

3442
02:22:24,160 --> 02:22:28,160
because maybe the maybe the um

3443
02:22:28,160 --> 02:22:30,880
the consensus what what is the street

3444
02:22:30,880 --> 02:22:32,800
frontage

3445
02:22:32,800 --> 02:22:34,640
on a lot that's the minimum

3446
02:22:34,640 --> 02:22:35,520
>> for MU or

3447
02:22:35,520 --> 02:22:37,920
>> no just say like a typical third acre

3448
02:22:37,920 --> 02:22:38,880
lot

3449
02:22:38,880 --> 02:22:41,520
>> you're 60 ft per third acre and 70 ft

3450
02:22:41,520 --> 02:22:42,640
for a halfacre

3451
02:22:42,640 --> 02:22:44,479
>> so we can I can have that drawn up and

3452
02:22:44,479 --> 02:22:47,680
just take that into account and see what

3453
02:22:47,680 --> 02:22:49,200
60 and 70

3454
02:22:49,200 --> 02:22:50,880
>> and and just see Maybe that goes all the

3455
02:22:50,880 --> 02:22:53,120
way back to that line.

3456
02:22:53,120 --> 02:22:55,359
Maybe would would the council rather see

3457
02:22:55,359 --> 02:22:58,479
that versus

3458
02:22:58,479 --> 02:23:01,840
a 70 foot buffer with some stuff in it?

3459
02:23:01,840 --> 02:23:03,439
>> I think that's a question that I'd

3460
02:23:03,439 --> 02:23:04,800
rather have the residents that live

3461
02:23:04,800 --> 02:23:06,720
there that will be directly impacted by

3462
02:23:06,720 --> 02:23:07,760
that answer.

3463
02:23:07,760 --> 02:23:11,359
>> Okay. I'll I'll see. I think my engineer

3464
02:23:11,359 --> 02:23:12,560
should be able to do some drawings and

3465
02:23:12,560 --> 02:23:14,319
some schematics for that.

3466
02:23:14,319 --> 02:23:15,600
>> I think that'd be great if you brought

3467
02:23:15,600 --> 02:23:17,520
that to that meeting.

3468
02:23:17,520 --> 02:23:19,920
>> Okay. cost me 10 grand to do it, but

3469
02:23:19,920 --> 02:23:21,359
every time I It's like working with

3470
02:23:21,359 --> 02:23:22,800
Rocky Mountain Power. 10 grand to talk

3471
02:23:22,800 --> 02:23:24,240
to him. But

3472
02:23:24,240 --> 02:23:28,230
>> asking for a grant for good. [laughter]

3473
02:23:28,240 --> 02:23:28,720
» Oh jeez.

3474
02:23:28,720 --> 02:23:30,000
>> He's already taking

3475
02:23:30,000 --> 02:23:33,760
>> We would love any ideas on like or not

3476
02:23:33,760 --> 02:23:35,600
most retention ponds in Grantsville are

3477
02:23:35,600 --> 02:23:38,240
weed patches. So any ideas you got

3478
02:23:38,240 --> 02:23:38,720
there?

3479
02:23:38,720 --> 02:23:40,720
>> We've de all the other developments I've

3480
02:23:40,720 --> 02:23:42,720
done, we've we've developed them and

3481
02:23:42,720 --> 02:23:46,080
made them put some artificial turf and

3482
02:23:46,080 --> 02:23:47,600
>> things in. Yeah, we have I can bring you

3483
02:23:47,600 --> 02:23:49,439
some examples. Real real life examples.

3484
02:23:49,439 --> 02:23:51,280
>> That's what I was just going to suggest.

3485
02:23:51,280 --> 02:23:53,280
Please don't just draw it in on, you

3486
02:23:53,280 --> 02:23:55,359
know, a little top park on here. Give me

3487
02:23:55,359 --> 02:23:57,520
a real life picture.

3488
02:23:57,520 --> 02:23:59,760
>> We're we're installing one right now or

3489
02:23:59,760 --> 02:24:01,439
project we have in us. So,

3490
02:24:01,439 --> 02:24:02,000
>> perfect.

3491
02:24:02,000 --> 02:24:05,200
>> So, just so my my clarification I want

3492
02:24:05,200 --> 02:24:07,920
to put So, anywhere where there's homes.

3493
02:24:07,920 --> 02:24:09,520
So, there's someone on I guess the

3494
02:24:09,520 --> 02:24:11,920
southside too. Is that Cook Street?

3495
02:24:11,920 --> 02:24:12,800
That's right there.

3496
02:24:12,800 --> 02:24:13,359
>> Yeah.

3497
02:24:13,359 --> 02:24:16,080
>> Yes. That's where I'd like a a buffer,

3498
02:24:16,080 --> 02:24:18,640
whether it's bigger lots or your 30 foot

3499
02:24:18,640 --> 02:24:20,800
buffer because those are existing homes

3500
02:24:20,800 --> 02:24:23,200
as well. It's not just those West homes,

3501
02:24:23,200 --> 02:24:24,080
oneacre homes.

3502
02:24:24,080 --> 02:24:25,439
>> Man, I shouldn't have given the property

3503
02:24:25,439 --> 02:24:27,680
for it.

3504
02:24:27,680 --> 02:24:30,240
>> I literally, just so you know, it's not

3505
02:24:30,240 --> 02:24:32,240
doesn't matter to you guys, but I gave

3506
02:24:32,240 --> 02:24:33,840
property so they could build these lots

3507
02:24:33,840 --> 02:24:36,160
right there and sewer easement through

3508
02:24:36,160 --> 02:24:37,439
there to do it. But

3509
02:24:37,439 --> 02:24:39,120
>> didn't I develop own?

3510
02:24:39,120 --> 02:24:41,840
>> Uh, no, I did. So,

3511
02:24:41,840 --> 02:24:43,520
>> so Sean Berkens and Perry didn't know

3512
02:24:43,520 --> 02:24:44,080
about that.

3513
02:24:44,080 --> 02:24:45,520
>> No, they bought Well, they bought they

3514
02:24:45,520 --> 02:24:47,840
own the cook side and then they needed

3515
02:24:47,840 --> 02:24:50,000
an easement property for me to do it.

3516
02:24:50,000 --> 02:24:51,200
But I just heard a couple things. Sorry,

3517
02:24:51,200 --> 02:24:51,680
I don't

3518
02:24:51,680 --> 02:24:53,840
>> No, it's all right. Bring it to the open

3519
02:24:53,840 --> 02:24:56,720
house. Who's bringing sandwiches?

3520
02:24:56,720 --> 02:24:57,280
>> Pizza.

3521
02:24:57,280 --> 02:24:59,760
>> All right, fine. [laughter]

3522
02:24:59,760 --> 02:25:02,319
I only do the Little Caesar's $10 deep

3523
02:25:02,319 --> 02:25:03,840
dish.

3524
02:25:03,840 --> 02:25:06,880
>> Just another brand. [laughter]

3525
02:25:06,880 --> 02:25:10,160
>> So anyway, all right. I appreciate it. I

3526
02:25:10,160 --> 02:25:12,319
think that we can work something out and

3527
02:25:12,319 --> 02:25:14,560
make it, like I said, not everybody's

3528
02:25:14,560 --> 02:25:15,680
going to win, but not everyone's going

3529
02:25:15,680 --> 02:25:17,040
to feel like they got bruised,

3530
02:25:17,040 --> 02:25:18,880
>> right?

3531
02:25:18,880 --> 02:25:21,920
>> Thank you, Joe.

3532
02:25:21,920 --> 02:25:24,960
>> Mayor, I make a motion that we table

3533
02:25:24,960 --> 02:25:28,240
items number seven and eight

3534
02:25:28,240 --> 02:25:31,840
um for a future

3535
02:25:31,840 --> 02:25:33,920
um city council meeting.

3536
02:25:33,920 --> 02:25:35,280
>> We have a motion by council member

3537
02:25:35,280 --> 02:25:37,040
Butler to table items seven and eight.

3538
02:25:37,040 --> 02:25:39,280
Is there a second?

3539
02:25:39,280 --> 02:25:41,520
We doing this on

3540
02:25:41,520 --> 02:25:43,439
>> Well, we already worked it out

3541
02:25:43,439 --> 02:25:44,000
>> based on that.

3542
02:25:44,000 --> 02:25:44,640
>> Yeah. Okay.

3543
02:25:44,640 --> 02:25:46,640
>> And a second by council member Williams.

3544
02:25:46,640 --> 02:25:50,080
All in favor?

3545
02:25:50,080 --> 02:25:52,000
>> Thank you, Joe, for being willing to

3546
02:25:52,000 --> 02:25:54,000
work through this. And thank you to all

3547
02:25:54,000 --> 02:25:56,160
the residents that came and we encourage

3548
02:25:56,160 --> 02:25:58,880
you to come back on September 2nd. I

3549
02:25:58,880 --> 02:26:02,240
think Joe, would it be okay to say that

3550
02:26:02,240 --> 02:26:05,439
if they have specific ideas, they could

3551
02:26:05,439 --> 02:26:08,319
email some way? Yeah, they I can give

3552
02:26:08,319 --> 02:26:09,439
them my email right now.

3553
02:26:09,439 --> 02:26:10,560
>> Yeah. Or they could reach out to me and

3554
02:26:10,560 --> 02:26:11,200
I

3555
02:26:11,200 --> 02:26:12,319
>> It's a different email than you have,

3556
02:26:12,319 --> 02:26:13,040
Shelby.

3557
02:26:13,040 --> 02:26:17,600
>> Yeah, but I'm happy to pass it on to

3558
02:26:17,600 --> 02:26:19,280
>> Okay, so Joe, if you'd like to share

3559
02:26:19,280 --> 02:26:19,840
your

3560
02:26:19,840 --> 02:26:22,880
>> Can we post to it after and I I want to

3561
02:26:22,880 --> 02:26:23,439
go to

3562
02:26:23,439 --> 02:26:25,920
>> Perfect. Thank you everyone. All right.

3563
02:26:25,920 --> 02:26:27,600
>> And it's not a spam one, so I will get

3564
02:26:27,600 --> 02:26:29,840
it. [laughter]

3565
02:26:29,840 --> 02:26:31,600
>> All right. Moving on to agenda item

3566
02:26:31,600 --> 02:26:33,520
number nine. Consideration of ordinance

3567
02:26:33,520 --> 02:26:35,920
2026-05

3568
02:26:35,920 --> 02:26:39,200
approving a reszone from RM15, A10,

3569
02:26:39,200 --> 02:26:43,520
R112, and CS to RM15 for the Apple

3570
02:26:43,520 --> 02:26:46,800
Street town home subdivision excluding

3571
02:26:46,800 --> 02:26:50,240
1.19 acres for commercial use.

3572
02:26:50,240 --> 02:26:52,880
>> So, I was not here when the general plan

3573
02:26:52,880 --> 02:26:54,560
and the reszone went through. My

3574
02:26:54,560 --> 02:26:57,280
understanding was it was requested that

3575
02:26:57,280 --> 02:27:00,240
a um record of survey or some sort of

3576
02:27:00,240 --> 02:27:02,880
survey was shown for the commercial area

3577
02:27:02,880 --> 02:27:05,600
of of how much that was or where that

3578
02:27:05,600 --> 02:27:08,560
location was. Um

3579
02:27:08,560 --> 02:27:10,800
and so I'm my understanding is the

3580
02:27:10,800 --> 02:27:13,280
general plan amendment was approved. Um

3581
02:27:13,280 --> 02:27:15,760
and we are here to request the reszone

3582
02:27:15,760 --> 02:27:19,760
again um for the Apple town homes or

3583
02:27:19,760 --> 02:27:22,080
gate apartments or

3584
02:27:22,080 --> 02:27:28,150
has had a few names. [laughter]

3585
02:27:28,160 --> 02:27:30,319
So, we've already approved this.

3586
02:27:30,319 --> 02:27:31,680
>> Didn't we do this?

3587
02:27:31,680 --> 02:27:32,960
>> Sounds like this seemed like I've

3588
02:27:32,960 --> 02:27:34,000
already

3589
02:27:34,000 --> 02:27:36,000
>> So, we you would approved the general

3590
02:27:36,000 --> 02:27:39,280
town amendment, but then tabled

3591
02:27:39,280 --> 02:27:40,080
>> Oh, the

3592
02:27:40,080 --> 02:27:43,439
>> this one.

3593
02:27:43,439 --> 02:27:45,040
>> So, I apologize if I don't have the full

3594
02:27:45,040 --> 02:27:47,040
context of why it was or anything like

3595
02:27:47,040 --> 02:27:49,680
that. Um,

3596
02:27:49,680 --> 02:27:50,880
you know, I think this is a great

3597
02:27:50,880 --> 02:27:52,720
project just for the fact that we are

3598
02:27:52,720 --> 02:27:54,240
getting rid of something.

3599
02:27:54,240 --> 02:27:55,200
>> That's an eyesore.

3600
02:27:55,200 --> 02:27:56,720
>> Yeah, that's an isore. Thank you, Red.

3601
02:27:56,720 --> 02:27:58,560
Yeah. Stole the words out of my mouth.

3602
02:27:58,560 --> 02:28:01,920
>> Um, and and putting something in there

3603
02:28:01,920 --> 02:28:03,520
that that's going to bring this property

3604
02:28:03,520 --> 02:28:05,920
to life.

3605
02:28:05,920 --> 02:28:08,880
>> Um, and fix an issue to where we have,

3606
02:28:08,880 --> 02:28:10,560
you know, non-conforming [clears throat]

3607
02:28:10,560 --> 02:28:13,280
zonings with lots and different zonings

3608
02:28:13,280 --> 02:28:17,590
in one area.

3609
02:28:17,600 --> 02:28:23,990
All right.

3610
02:28:24,000 --> 02:28:34,230
» Anyone have any questions on this?

3611
02:28:34,240 --> 02:28:36,000
» We beat this one to death, too. I think

3612
02:28:36,000 --> 02:28:37,359
>> I feel like we got over this one last

3613
02:28:37,359 --> 02:28:38,080
year.

3614
02:28:38,080 --> 02:28:40,000
>> If anyone would like to make a motion,

3615
02:28:40,000 --> 02:28:41,520
>> mayor, I'll make a motion. We approve

3616
02:28:41,520 --> 02:28:44,080
ordinance 2026-05

3617
02:28:44,080 --> 02:28:47,359
approving agree zone from RM15

3618
02:28:47,359 --> 02:28:49,840
A10 R1

3619
02:28:49,840 --> 02:28:52,080
R1-1-12

3620
02:28:52,080 --> 02:28:55,600
and CS to RM15 for the Apple Street Town

3621
02:28:55,600 --> 02:28:58,399
subdivision excluding the 1.19 acres for

3622
02:28:58,399 --> 02:29:00,240
commercial use.

3623
02:29:00,240 --> 02:29:02,880
>> We have a motion by council member uh

3624
02:29:02,880 --> 02:29:04,560
Dalton and a second by council member

3625
02:29:04,560 --> 02:29:08,720
Butler. All in favor? Hi.

3626
02:29:08,720 --> 02:29:11,120
>> All right.

3627
02:29:11,120 --> 02:29:12,960
>> Item number 10, consideration of

3628
02:29:12,960 --> 02:29:15,920
resolution 2026-58

3629
02:29:15,920 --> 02:29:18,160
accepting federal transportation funding

3630
02:29:18,160 --> 02:29:20,560
awards authorizing staff to execute

3631
02:29:20,560 --> 02:29:23,600
related agreements and providing for an

3632
02:29:23,600 --> 02:29:29,910
effective date.

3633
02:29:29,920 --> 02:29:30,640
» Is somebody

3634
02:29:30,640 --> 02:29:32,000
>> Alexis is gonna do this one.

3635
02:29:32,000 --> 02:29:33,600
>> Okay. Hi, Alexis.

3636
02:29:33,600 --> 02:29:35,359
>> We're [laughter] gonna team tag this

3637
02:29:35,359 --> 02:29:36,479
one. Okay,

3638
02:29:36,479 --> 02:29:37,520
>> it's the Diva.

3639
02:29:37,520 --> 02:29:39,120
>> She's looks like she's coming straight

3640
02:29:39,120 --> 02:29:42,720
from softball. Sweet.

3641
02:29:42,720 --> 02:29:43,040
>> Okay.

3642
02:29:43,040 --> 02:29:43,600
>> Yeah. [laughter]

3643
02:29:43,600 --> 02:29:47,359
>> Can I plug this in? Yes.

3644
02:29:47,359 --> 02:29:53,990
>> Guess it's a good thing we stalled out.

3645
02:29:54,000 --> 02:29:58,483
» Thank you.

3646
02:29:58,493 --> 02:30:03,670
[clears throat]

3647
02:30:03,680 --> 02:30:16,070
I'm so

3648
02:30:16,080 --> 02:30:19,600
» Okay. Um, hi council. Um, Alexis

3649
02:30:19,600 --> 02:30:23,520
Stewart. So, this um item

3650
02:30:23,520 --> 02:30:28,640
is just to accept two grants from U DOT.

3651
02:30:28,640 --> 02:30:30,399
um the acceptance will combine them into

3652
02:30:30,399 --> 02:30:33,200
one project. Um and then we just need

3653
02:30:33,200 --> 02:30:35,359
the mayor's approval to sign a letter

3654
02:30:35,359 --> 02:30:37,520
for U DOT and then also just to approve

3655
02:30:37,520 --> 02:30:40,240
funding to fund the projects.

3656
02:30:40,240 --> 02:30:44,630
Um

3657
02:30:44,640 --> 02:30:46,319
» so the first one is safe routes to

3658
02:30:46,319 --> 02:30:48,399
school. So this one we've actually um

3659
02:30:48,399 --> 02:30:49,920
it's been awarded for a while. This one

3660
02:30:49,920 --> 02:30:52,319
got awarded about a year ago. Um but

3661
02:30:52,319 --> 02:30:54,479
this specific one is to finish the

3662
02:30:54,479 --> 02:30:56,880
sidewalk on Dery Street between Kulie

3663
02:30:56,880 --> 02:31:00,479
and West Street. So here's um a map. So

3664
02:31:00,479 --> 02:31:03,040
we can see here's the junior high.

3665
02:31:03,040 --> 02:31:05,120
Here's the current sidewalk. And then

3666
02:31:05,120 --> 02:31:06,960
the funding for this grant is this

3667
02:31:06,960 --> 02:31:08,880
little portion here between Kulie Street

3668
02:31:08,880 --> 02:31:13,040
and West Street. Um so for this one, UD

3669
02:31:13,040 --> 02:31:15,439
do came out and they estimated the price

3670
02:31:15,439 --> 02:31:18,720
of this project to be 356,000.

3671
02:31:18,720 --> 02:31:20,240
Um they said that they're willing to

3672
02:31:20,240 --> 02:31:22,560
fund that full amount, but we do have to

3673
02:31:22,560 --> 02:31:25,200
bake the federal the required federal

3674
02:31:25,200 --> 02:31:28,160
grant match which is 6.77%.

3675
02:31:28,160 --> 02:31:30,399
Um so they should fund the whole project

3676
02:31:30,399 --> 02:31:33,359
except for that spa match.

3677
02:31:33,359 --> 02:31:35,680
>> Which comes out to about like 24,000 I

3678
02:31:35,680 --> 02:31:36,000
think.

3679
02:31:36,000 --> 02:31:38,720
>> Yeah. Pretty good deal.

3680
02:31:38,720 --> 02:31:40,319
>> Be nice to have more sidewalks.

3681
02:31:40,319 --> 02:31:43,200
>> Yeah. Well, and just to be clear, when

3682
02:31:43,200 --> 02:31:45,760
you cross over West Street, there is

3683
02:31:45,760 --> 02:31:48,240
sidewalk then again on Dery, right? as

3684
02:31:48,240 --> 02:31:50,800
you move up the

3685
02:31:50,800 --> 02:31:52,240
just that one little section that

3686
02:31:52,240 --> 02:31:54,160
doesn't have

3687
02:31:54,160 --> 02:31:54,880
finishes it

3688
02:31:54,880 --> 02:31:55,840
>> finishes it off.

3689
02:31:55,840 --> 02:31:57,040
>> Yep.

3690
02:31:57,040 --> 02:32:02,870
>> Um All right. And then the next one,

3691
02:32:02,880 --> 02:32:04,479
so this is the transportation

3692
02:32:04,479 --> 02:32:06,399
alternatives program grant. This is also

3693
02:32:06,399 --> 02:32:09,439
for a sidewalk. Um this sidewalk is

3694
02:32:09,439 --> 02:32:12,720
going to be on Quirk Street. Um, so we

3695
02:32:12,720 --> 02:32:15,600
did try to get the east side of Quirk

3696
02:32:15,600 --> 02:32:17,760
Street, but unfortunately, um, UD do

3697
02:32:17,760 --> 02:32:20,560
won't fund that side. Um, they just

3698
02:32:20,560 --> 02:32:23,680
advise that when that property on the

3699
02:32:23,680 --> 02:32:25,680
east side is eventually developed, then

3700
02:32:25,680 --> 02:32:27,760
the developer could put in the sidewalk.

3701
02:32:27,760 --> 02:32:31,439
Um, but they did agree to fund the west

3702
02:32:31,439 --> 02:32:34,240
side from Mountain Meadow Drive all the

3703
02:32:34,240 --> 02:32:36,319
way up to Pear Street. And that will

3704
02:32:36,319 --> 02:32:38,560
help the neighborhood over here with

3705
02:32:38,560 --> 02:32:41,280
those um students to be able to safely

3706
02:32:41,280 --> 02:32:43,600
get from there is a sidewalk, this blue

3707
02:32:43,600 --> 02:32:45,760
sidewalk. It there is one there. So, for

3708
02:32:45,760 --> 02:32:48,319
them to get here down, they'll cross

3709
02:32:48,319 --> 02:32:50,080
that pair and then continue on over to

3710
02:32:50,080 --> 02:32:53,120
Willow. Um, we don't necessarily have to

3711
02:32:53,120 --> 02:32:55,120
put a a crosswalk in here. That was just

3712
02:32:55,120 --> 02:32:57,920
for a visual for my grant application.

3713
02:32:57,920 --> 02:33:02,399
Um, but a a cross walk up here at Paris

3714
02:33:02,399 --> 02:33:03,760
Street.

3715
02:33:03,760 --> 02:33:05,760
>> Well,

3716
02:33:05,760 --> 02:33:08,080
yeah, there needs to be one there. I

3717
02:33:08,080 --> 02:33:09,680
think we'd all like

3718
02:33:09,680 --> 02:33:11,680
>> like to finish off the sidewalk that

3719
02:33:11,680 --> 02:33:14,341
just all of a sudden ends, but

3720
02:33:14,341 --> 02:33:14,399
[clears throat]

3721
02:33:14,399 --> 02:33:17,520
>> know we've heard that from numerous

3722
02:33:17,520 --> 02:33:18,960
>> I feel like that's all over the city

3723
02:33:18,960 --> 02:33:19,840
every time I watch.

3724
02:33:19,840 --> 02:33:21,520
>> Well, but this one in particular has

3725
02:33:21,520 --> 02:33:24,640
quite the drop off, right? Yeah, but

3726
02:33:24,640 --> 02:33:26,640
this at least gives some sort of

3727
02:33:26,640 --> 02:33:28,880
connectivity from like you said that

3728
02:33:28,880 --> 02:33:31,600
subdivision to Willow Elementary. So,

3729
02:33:31,600 --> 02:33:33,439
>> well, yeah, connectivity and also

3730
02:33:33,439 --> 02:33:35,680
safety. Um, if you drive down Cork

3731
02:33:35,680 --> 02:33:37,280
Street,

3732
02:33:37,280 --> 02:33:40,479
you see kids walking, it's

3733
02:33:40,479 --> 02:33:41,200
>> Yeah.

3734
02:33:41,200 --> 02:33:42,560
>> There's nowhere for them to go.

3735
02:33:42,560 --> 02:33:44,080
>> They walk to the path, then they walk

3736
02:33:44,080 --> 02:33:44,880
into the road.

3737
02:33:44,880 --> 02:33:47,040
>> Into the road. Yes. And if it's win if

3738
02:33:47,040 --> 02:33:48,800
it's winter and if it ever snows here

3739
02:33:48,800 --> 02:33:49,680
again

3740
02:33:49,680 --> 02:33:53,040
>> and it's there's Yeah. There's no

3741
02:33:53,040 --> 02:33:55,520
there's literally nowhere for the the

3742
02:33:55,520 --> 02:33:58,000
people walking there to walk. So

3743
02:33:58,000 --> 02:33:59,520
>> So is this kind of the same deal? We

3744
02:33:59,520 --> 02:34:01,120
have a certain amount that we need to

3745
02:34:01,120 --> 02:34:02,080
match.

3746
02:34:02,080 --> 02:34:04,319
>> Yes. So this one's a lot more um because

3747
02:34:04,319 --> 02:34:07,200
there is a power pole that will need to

3748
02:34:07,200 --> 02:34:12,479
get moved. Um and then so this one

3749
02:34:12,479 --> 02:34:14,399
>> likes to throw things in. So I think we

3750
02:34:14,399 --> 02:34:15,257
should probably [laughter] get a little

3751
02:34:15,257 --> 02:34:17,990
[clears throat]

3752
02:34:18,000 --> 02:34:20,080
» I think he's good for it. Um, I can get

3753
02:34:20,080 --> 02:34:22,800
I can pull that up actually. So, this

3754
02:34:22,800 --> 02:34:26,469
one.

3755
02:34:26,479 --> 02:34:30,479
Uh, let's see.

3756
02:34:30,479 --> 02:34:32,240
Well, I'll tell you what it was. Barry

3757
02:34:32,240 --> 02:34:35,439
estimated it at 701,000 and they're

3758
02:34:35,439 --> 02:34:38,080
giving us 250,000.

3759
02:34:38,080 --> 02:34:40,640
So, it's quite a bit of money. Um, I

3760
02:34:40,640 --> 02:34:43,280
don't know. Aspen, were we able to see

3761
02:34:43,280 --> 02:34:45,520
if that we have funding for it? Yeah,

3762
02:34:45,520 --> 02:34:46,880
that's kind of that's kind of the

3763
02:34:46,880 --> 02:34:48,880
problem right now is that with the

3764
02:34:48,880 --> 02:34:50,479
budget the way it is, we cut out all the

3765
02:34:50,479 --> 02:34:53,040
extra costs. So it this is not factored

3766
02:34:53,040 --> 02:34:55,200
in the budget either matches for either

3767
02:34:55,200 --> 02:34:57,600
of these grants. That's why we really

3768
02:34:57,600 --> 02:34:59,680
want to come to you. It's like if we do

3769
02:34:59,680 --> 02:35:01,520
proceed with these grants and don't turn

3770
02:35:01,520 --> 02:35:02,800
them down, we'll probably have to use

3771
02:35:02,800 --> 02:35:05,040
the water credit money to pay for the

3772
02:35:05,040 --> 02:35:06,800
matching dollars for these.

3773
02:35:06,800 --> 02:35:09,439
>> What about the uh sidewalk fund as far

3774
02:35:09,439 --> 02:35:11,760
as like the match program that the city

3775
02:35:11,760 --> 02:35:14,080
has? So there is $50,000 budgeted in

3776
02:35:14,080 --> 02:35:15,840
that line, but it is intended for a

3777
02:35:15,840 --> 02:35:17,439
different use. It is intended for the

3778
02:35:17,439 --> 02:35:19,760
sidewalk program to match residents. So

3779
02:35:19,760 --> 02:35:21,680
that money is already in the approved,

3780
02:35:21,680 --> 02:35:23,680
>> but it's only 50,000 anyway.

3781
02:35:23,680 --> 02:35:26,160
>> Correct. You could reallocate it to

3782
02:35:26,160 --> 02:35:28,560
>> we could do a like a budget adjustment

3783
02:35:28,560 --> 02:35:30,640
and move it to a different line without

3784
02:35:30,640 --> 02:35:31,920
increasing the budget for like the

3785
02:35:31,920 --> 02:35:32,479
24,000.

3786
02:35:32,479 --> 02:35:33,760
>> Sounds like last year there were very

3787
02:35:33,760 --> 02:35:36,000
few people who used that program.

3788
02:35:36,000 --> 02:35:39,600
>> Yeah, it was very minimally used um

3789
02:35:39,600 --> 02:35:41,680
program last year. So, we could

3790
02:35:41,680 --> 02:35:42,960
definitely reallocate some of those

3791
02:35:42,960 --> 02:35:44,640
funds to a different, but we would have

3792
02:35:44,640 --> 02:35:46,479
to of course like just reallocate them.

3793
02:35:46,479 --> 02:35:48,640
But again, it's only 50,000. So, we're

3794
02:35:48,640 --> 02:35:49,359
still

3795
02:35:49,359 --> 02:35:52,080
>> So, if we're awarded a grant for 350,000

3796
02:35:52,080 --> 02:35:54,319
and we get numbers and the numbers are

3797
02:35:54,319 --> 02:35:58,319
250,000, can you use that or do we only

3798
02:35:58,319 --> 02:36:01,680
get 250,000 in the grant? That make

3799
02:36:01,680 --> 02:36:04,640
sense? Like when we if we price out I'm

3800
02:36:04,640 --> 02:36:05,920
talking about the I'm talking about the

3801
02:36:05,920 --> 02:36:08,479
first one. I going back to the first. If

3802
02:36:08,479 --> 02:36:12,479
on that one we we put it out for an RFP

3803
02:36:12,479 --> 02:36:15,280
and we get it obviously if we get it

3804
02:36:15,280 --> 02:36:18,240
less than what they

3805
02:36:18,240 --> 02:36:21,680
allocated like do those funds come to us

3806
02:36:21,680 --> 02:36:24,240
or does is it based is it like a match

3807
02:36:24,240 --> 02:36:26,880
based on whatever that RFP comes in at

3808
02:36:26,880 --> 02:36:27,760
is that

3809
02:36:27,760 --> 02:36:29,520
>> yeah whether like does it reduce it down

3810
02:36:29,520 --> 02:36:31,040
do we still have to pay the 6% even

3811
02:36:31,040 --> 02:36:32,720
though they're allocated 300 if we come

3812
02:36:32,720 --> 02:36:35,840
at 250 do we still have to pay the 6% on

3813
02:36:35,840 --> 02:36:40,880
the 250 is that what you're Now, do they give us the 350 and we can use

3814
02:36:40,880 --> 02:36:43,920
100 on some another project or it's

3815
02:36:43,920 --> 02:36:44,960
based on whatever it is.

3816
02:36:44,960 --> 02:36:46,960
>> It's basically reimburse reimbursement

3817
02:36:46,960 --> 02:36:48,960
for whatever. So, whatever you use for

3818
02:36:48,960 --> 02:36:50,479
the project, you submit for that

3819
02:36:50,479 --> 02:36:52,399
reimbursement and then they give that to

3820
02:36:52,399 --> 02:36:52,800
you.

3821
02:36:52,800 --> 02:36:55,280
>> But the scenario, you still have to pay

3822
02:36:55,280 --> 02:36:58,560
the 6% regardless of what the cost.

3823
02:36:58,560 --> 02:36:59,359
>> Yes. Yeah.

3824
02:36:59,359 --> 02:37:01,520
>> Yeah. I don't think you could take the

3825
02:37:01,520 --> 02:37:03,840
extra from the one project to the other

3826
02:37:03,840 --> 02:37:05,680
project if that's what you're asking

3827
02:37:05,680 --> 02:37:07,200
because it's two different programs. you

3828
02:37:07,200 --> 02:37:09,040
have safe routes to school and then tap

3829
02:37:09,040 --> 02:37:10,720
>> but UDI is trying to merge them so they

3830
02:37:10,720 --> 02:37:12,640
go out to bid for both project at the

3831
02:37:12,640 --> 02:37:15,359
same time to to so you they don't have

3832
02:37:15,359 --> 02:37:18,000
to it makes it so that you can get a

3833
02:37:18,000 --> 02:37:18,560
better bid

3834
02:37:18,560 --> 02:37:22,870
>> a better bid out of

3835
02:37:22,880 --> 02:37:23,680
» at least that's what their

3836
02:37:23,680 --> 02:37:24,720
recommendation is

3837
02:37:24,720 --> 02:37:25,680
>> okay

3838
02:37:25,680 --> 02:37:28,720
>> so Barry's estimate was say again

3839
02:37:28,720 --> 02:37:32,230
>> 70171

3840
02:37:32,240 --> 02:37:33,200
» the law on that second one

3841
02:37:33,200 --> 02:37:36,319
>> and so like $400,000 for the second one

3842
02:37:36,319 --> 02:37:38,000
Yeah, let me try to pull it up.

3843
02:37:38,000 --> 02:37:40,640
>> That's obviously right now the estimate.

3844
02:37:40,640 --> 02:37:42,479
We we going to try and get that number

3845
02:37:42,479 --> 02:37:44,640
knocked down.

3846
02:37:44,640 --> 02:37:47,600
>> Do you want to see it or

3847
02:37:47,600 --> 02:37:53,670
I can pull it up?

3848
02:37:53,680 --> 02:37:55,200
» Thank you for your efforts going after

3849
02:37:55,200 --> 02:37:58,880
these. I I

3850
02:37:58,880 --> 02:38:01,280
finding safe paths for our kids to walk

3851
02:38:01,280 --> 02:38:04,150
on.

3852
02:38:04,160 --> 02:38:06,960
That's one area that we really need

3853
02:38:06,960 --> 02:38:10,319
we're kind of behind on.

3854
02:38:10,319 --> 02:38:12,720
>> Yeah, I agree. I think listening to like

3855
02:38:12,720 --> 02:38:14,560
citizen feedback, I think this is one

3856
02:38:14,560 --> 02:38:17,359
that um I've heard a lot on just because

3857
02:38:17,359 --> 02:38:19,280
Yeah. kids walking and then in the dirt

3858
02:38:19,280 --> 02:38:21,040
road,

3859
02:38:21,040 --> 02:38:23,359
>> right? This I would have to say of all

3860
02:38:23,359 --> 02:38:26,080
the sidewalk areas in town that I've had

3861
02:38:26,080 --> 02:38:29,760
citizens reach out to me about,

3862
02:38:29,760 --> 02:38:32,240
this is the very highest

3863
02:38:32,240 --> 02:38:33,680
number of calls I've had.

3864
02:38:33,680 --> 02:38:34,720
>> The one on quirk to pair.

3865
02:38:34,720 --> 02:38:36,560
Yes.

3866
02:38:36,560 --> 02:38:37,040
>> Yeah.

3867
02:38:37,040 --> 02:38:39,840
Because that whole subdivision has

3868
02:38:39,840 --> 02:38:46,630
no safe way to get to the school.

3869
02:38:46,640 --> 02:38:49,120
» Uh so this is Barry's estimate. It's

3870
02:38:49,120 --> 02:38:56,150
kind of long, but

3871
02:38:56,160 --> 02:38:58,399
» it's utility. is the utility the

3872
02:38:58,399 --> 02:39:00,080
>> I think it's just the pole as well as

3873
02:39:00,080 --> 02:39:02,160
there's a um a communication line that

3874
02:39:02,160 --> 02:39:03,600
needs to be moved boxes and things like

3875
02:39:03,600 --> 02:39:04,720
that. So we're going to have to work

3876
02:39:04,720 --> 02:39:07,120
with the different providers there to

3877
02:39:07,120 --> 02:39:08,800
move those as well. And I think he was

3878
02:39:08,800 --> 02:39:10,080
unsure on the cost.

3879
02:39:10,080 --> 02:39:13,120
>> So he just kind of threw $210,000 there.

3880
02:39:13,120 --> 02:39:17,429
>> I think that's a little high.

3881
02:39:17,439 --> 02:39:20,160
» Yeah, it's quite a bit more than even

3882
02:39:20,160 --> 02:39:21,840
what we moved on Dury Street to

3883
02:39:21,840 --> 02:39:24,720
accommodate the intersection there for

3884
02:39:24,720 --> 02:39:27,040
Matthews Lane.

3885
02:39:27,040 --> 02:39:29,280
I mean that pole is not as big as as

3886
02:39:29,280 --> 02:39:30,640
those running down there.

3887
02:39:30,640 --> 02:39:31,760
>> Different.

3888
02:39:31,760 --> 02:39:32,319
>> What's that?

3889
02:39:32,319 --> 02:39:33,280
>> Different pole.

3890
02:39:33,280 --> 02:39:33,600
>> Yeah.

3891
02:39:33,600 --> 02:39:34,800
>> Different utility.

3892
02:39:34,800 --> 02:39:35,280
>> Oh yeah.

3893
02:39:35,280 --> 02:39:36,479
>> More.

3894
02:39:36,479 --> 02:39:38,560
>> Well, you say it's more on quirk.

3895
02:39:38,560 --> 02:39:39,680
>> Yeah.

3896
02:39:39,680 --> 02:39:41,040
>> Why Christie?

3897
02:39:41,040 --> 02:39:43,439
>> Cuz that was just a single home. Single

3898
02:39:43,439 --> 02:39:46,800
line there. Isn't Dery at Oh, look at it

3899
02:39:46,800 --> 02:39:48,080
again.

3900
02:39:48,080 --> 02:39:51,760
>> That's a Dery was the single line single

3901
02:39:51,760 --> 02:39:52,640
home.

3902
02:39:52,640 --> 02:39:54,160
>> Does this one have transformer banks on

3903
02:39:54,160 --> 02:39:57,280
it and stuff?

3904
02:39:57,280 --> 02:40:00,880
That might difference

3905
02:40:00,880 --> 02:40:02,399
was just a single

3906
02:40:02,399 --> 02:40:05,830
>> we can

3907
02:40:05,840 --> 02:40:08,000
» the hard part is if we say yes to it to

3908
02:40:08,000 --> 02:40:10,720
you do then we commit to it and then we

3909
02:40:10,720 --> 02:40:12,319
can still pull out but the optics are

3910
02:40:12,319 --> 02:40:15,760
not great as we go along. It's better to

3911
02:40:15,760 --> 02:40:17,600
not do this one if we don't want to

3912
02:40:17,600 --> 02:40:20,479
commit to something like that. Yeah.

3913
02:40:20,479 --> 02:40:22,560
>> Well, when we said we wanted to use that

3914
02:40:22,560 --> 02:40:24,800
water credit money for grants, d try to

3915
02:40:24,800 --> 02:40:27,520
double double in money.

3916
02:40:27,520 --> 02:40:30,399
>> Good use of it.

3917
02:40:30,399 --> 02:40:32,800
>> It's that powerful that one.

3918
02:40:32,800 --> 02:40:34,160
>> Yeah, there's a bunch.

3919
02:40:34,160 --> 02:40:35,040
>> Yeah,

3920
02:40:35,040 --> 02:40:36,640
>> I'm surprised someone hasn't just hit it

3921
02:40:36,640 --> 02:40:37,120
yet.

3922
02:40:37,120 --> 02:40:39,359
>> That's the powerful [laughter]

3923
02:40:39,359 --> 02:40:41,200
>> right there on the

3924
02:40:41,200 --> 02:40:42,800
>> Why was there to be good?

3925
02:40:42,800 --> 02:40:45,040
>> I'll get it tomorrow.

3926
02:40:45,040 --> 02:40:46,951
>> Won't say that out loud. [laughter]

3927
02:40:46,951 --> 02:40:48,399
[snorts]

3928
02:40:48,399 --> 02:40:50,160
We got to move this poll.

3929
02:40:50,160 --> 02:40:52,000
>> Just that one poll, that's it.

3930
02:40:52,000 --> 02:40:53,520
>> Yes. And then there's obviously the

3931
02:40:53,520 --> 02:40:56,399
telecommunication lines that are there.

3932
02:40:56,399 --> 02:41:01,120
>> That's a lot more than a single home.

3933
02:41:01,120 --> 02:41:03,040
>> Can we just design the sidewalk to go

3934
02:41:03,040 --> 02:41:04,636
around?

3935
02:41:04,636 --> 02:41:04,800
[laughter]

3936
02:41:04,800 --> 02:41:06,800
>> Yeah, we've done that before.

3937
02:41:06,800 --> 02:41:10,080
>> Like the sidewalks an overlay. They're

3938
02:41:10,080 --> 02:41:14,160
just all [laughter] wavy up and down. So

3939
02:41:14,160 --> 02:41:17,439
we're only talking though just on Cork

3940
02:41:17,439 --> 02:41:18,720
Street. We're not talking about turning

3941
02:41:18,720 --> 02:41:22,000
the corner and heading towards are we?

3942
02:41:22,000 --> 02:41:23,359
>> That's done.

3943
02:41:23,359 --> 02:41:25,040
>> That's what I thought. That's done.

3944
02:41:25,040 --> 02:41:26,240
>> So this is just

3945
02:41:26,240 --> 02:41:28,800
>> it's just this here.

3946
02:41:28,800 --> 02:41:29,439
>> Yeah, it was.

3947
02:41:29,439 --> 02:41:31,040
>> So from out in meadow up to

3948
02:41:31,040 --> 02:41:32,720
>> we'll have to secure some of the right

3949
02:41:32,720 --> 02:41:35,760
way for the pair. That's the that is one

3950
02:41:35,760 --> 02:41:37,520
other additional cost

3951
02:41:37,520 --> 02:41:38,319
>> property there

3952
02:41:38,319 --> 02:41:40,319
>> because we do have to obtain a rightaway

3953
02:41:40,319 --> 02:41:42,560
from the marshalss

3954
02:41:42,560 --> 02:41:45,680
>> that is I think he put that in further

3955
02:41:45,680 --> 02:41:46,640
into

3956
02:41:46,640 --> 02:41:48,880
>> I think he did the rightway.

3957
02:41:48,880 --> 02:41:51,120
>> Oh is it in there? Sorry I missed that.

3958
02:41:51,120 --> 02:41:52,000
>> Yeah.

3959
02:41:52,000 --> 02:41:53,680
>> Oh

3960
02:41:53,680 --> 02:41:55,520
>> yeah 58,000.

3961
02:41:55,520 --> 02:41:58,790
>> Yeah.

3962
02:41:58,800 --> 02:42:01,439
» It's about an acre correct that needs to

3963
02:42:01,439 --> 02:42:02,560
be obtained.

3964
02:42:02,560 --> 02:42:10,469
>> I'm not sure.

3965
02:42:10,479 --> 02:42:12,880
because we've got to have the right away

3966
02:42:12,880 --> 02:42:14,399
for the road. If we widen the road,

3967
02:42:14,399 --> 02:42:16,240
>> go and go to RFP.

3968
02:42:16,240 --> 02:42:19,359
>> If we're going to extend um Paris Street

3969
02:42:19,359 --> 02:42:21,600
through then it would be approximately

3970
02:42:21,600 --> 02:42:23,680
that we take just what we need for the

3971
02:42:23,680 --> 02:42:26,399
ride

3972
02:42:26,399 --> 02:42:27,280
or just

3973
02:42:27,280 --> 02:42:30,000
>> down the road spent some money on the

3974
02:42:30,000 --> 02:42:32,399
whole project and then try to pull back.

3975
02:42:32,399 --> 02:42:35,439
Then it's I mean you could it's just

3976
02:42:35,439 --> 02:42:39,359
less. They don't love that.

3977
02:42:39,359 --> 02:42:41,520
>> It's it's a little more than 1600 feet

3978
02:42:41,520 --> 02:42:46,469
of

3979
02:42:46,479 --> 02:42:48,880
» four foot wide. Is that what it's it's

3980
02:42:48,880 --> 02:42:49,600
by five?

3981
02:42:49,600 --> 02:42:51,920
>> Yeah. U standards.

3982
02:42:51,920 --> 02:42:54,240
>> I know they you had to make it I don't

3983
02:42:54,240 --> 02:42:55,439
know if you remember but I know they

3984
02:42:55,439 --> 02:42:57,200
suggested making it wider so you don't

3985
02:42:57,200 --> 02:42:59,359
have to have a

3986
02:42:59,359 --> 02:43:00,720
>> pork shrimp.

3987
02:43:00,720 --> 02:43:01,040
>> Yeah.

3988
02:43:01,040 --> 02:43:04,640
So they suggested just putting the

3989
02:43:04,640 --> 02:43:06,479
um curb up against the sidewalk but

3990
02:43:06,479 --> 02:43:09,120
making the sidewalk larger so that you

3991
02:43:09,120 --> 02:43:11,040
still have that pedestrian buffer zone

3992
02:43:11,040 --> 02:43:20,870
without park strip.

3993
02:43:20,880 --> 02:43:25,359
» Okay. So that's that. Um [laughter]

3994
02:43:25,359 --> 02:43:27,120
um

3995
02:43:27,120 --> 02:43:30,160
sorry I don't know. Um

3996
02:43:30,160 --> 02:43:32,399
going over that. Um so this so what

3997
02:43:32,399 --> 02:43:34,240
they're looking for initially right now

3998
02:43:34,240 --> 02:43:37,040
um you do is just that the mayor just

3999
02:43:37,040 --> 02:43:39,760
signs a letter saying that they can um

4000
02:43:39,760 --> 02:43:41,840
combine the two projects into one and

4001
02:43:41,840 --> 02:43:43,760
that we're willing to do the federal

4002
02:43:43,760 --> 02:43:46,720
match of the 6.77 and then willing to

4003
02:43:46,720 --> 02:43:49,040
pay anything additional that the grant

4004
02:43:49,040 --> 02:43:51,279
funding doesn't pay for. Um, and then

4005
02:43:51,279 --> 02:43:52,640
once they get that letter, they'll take

4006
02:43:52,640 --> 02:43:54,880
that to their transportation committee

4007
02:43:54,880 --> 02:43:56,880
and then they'll present it to them and

4008
02:43:56,880 --> 02:43:58,880
then they'll do their thing and then

4009
02:43:58,880 --> 02:44:00,479
we'll start working with them to find

4010
02:44:00,479 --> 02:44:04,000
like a designer and all like all that

4011
02:44:04,000 --> 02:44:08,150
sort of stuff. So,

4012
02:44:08,160 --> 02:44:10,560
um, and then this is just an example of

4013
02:44:10,560 --> 02:44:13,120
kind of what the letter we would have

4014
02:44:13,120 --> 02:44:20,309
the letter B that the mayor signs.

4015
02:44:20,319 --> 02:44:23,279
So the the total cost of both projects

4016
02:44:23,279 --> 02:44:28,000
or the total cost of both grants was

4017
02:44:28,000 --> 02:44:32,399
what or the total award for both

4018
02:44:32,399 --> 02:44:33,200
>> 606

4019
02:44:33,200 --> 02:44:35,359
>> around 600,000

4020
02:44:35,359 --> 02:44:38,560
and our cost is going to be

4021
02:44:38,560 --> 02:44:39,359
>> probably 400

4022
02:44:39,359 --> 02:44:41,040
>> 400,000

4023
02:44:41,040 --> 02:44:44,160
>> essentially we've more than doubled that

4024
02:44:44,160 --> 02:44:47,920
we spend 400 we're going to get more

4025
02:44:47,920 --> 02:44:50,880
than double that in grants given to the

4026
02:44:50,880 --> 02:44:52,800
city to put in sidewalks which we all

4027
02:44:52,800 --> 02:44:56,319
know we're we're in deficit

4028
02:44:56,319 --> 02:44:57,760
>> step in the right direction but I think

4029
02:44:57,760 --> 02:45:00,960
it's it's worth worth pursuing certainly

4030
02:45:00,960 --> 02:45:03,120
>> I do too I think we need more safe I

4031
02:45:03,120 --> 02:45:05,120
mean I see kids on bike scooters all the

4032
02:45:05,120 --> 02:45:06,160
time in the middle of the street

4033
02:45:06,160 --> 02:45:07,680
especially by my house it's

4034
02:45:07,680 --> 02:45:08,399
>> walkability

4035
02:45:08,399 --> 02:45:11,200
>> no sidewalks so I mean and it is really

4036
02:45:11,200 --> 02:45:13,040
nice like you know now down Willow

4037
02:45:13,040 --> 02:45:15,359
Street there's no I mean not by red

4038
02:45:15,359 --> 02:45:17,439
house now [laughter]

4039
02:45:17,439 --> 02:45:19,600
that's coming along

4040
02:45:19,600 --> 02:45:21,359
But I think it's important. There's a

4041
02:45:21,359 --> 02:45:23,840
lot of kids that walk. So I anticipated

4042
02:45:23,840 --> 02:45:25,760
the use of the word to make sure they're

4043
02:45:25,760 --> 02:45:28,479
safe. My question is why is the safe

4044
02:45:28,479 --> 02:45:31,760
route to school the the one on on

4045
02:45:31,760 --> 02:45:33,200
doesn't apply for that or we couldn't

4046
02:45:33,200 --> 02:45:35,200
use that same program or we only get one

4047
02:45:35,200 --> 02:45:36,720
or

4048
02:45:36,720 --> 02:45:37,680
>> um it was

4049
02:45:37,680 --> 02:45:39,120
>> we got more for that one it seems like

4050
02:45:39,120 --> 02:45:41,120
than we're getting for the tap.

4051
02:45:41,120 --> 02:45:44,000
>> Yeah. Um

4052
02:45:44,000 --> 02:45:46,000
I think because we already have safe

4053
02:45:46,000 --> 02:45:51,040
routes to school open. Um, but

4054
02:45:51,040 --> 02:45:52,399
>> it's just a different grant type. And

4055
02:45:52,399 --> 02:45:54,479
again, if we don't feel like that's

4056
02:45:54,479 --> 02:45:56,880
>> worth the the cost, the big benefit out

4057
02:45:56,880 --> 02:45:58,800
of that, then we just turn it down and

4058
02:45:58,800 --> 02:46:01,120
just go with that

4059
02:46:01,120 --> 02:46:02,240
>> and try for a different one.

4060
02:46:02,240 --> 02:46:03,279
>> Somebody's willing to give us some money

4061
02:46:03,279 --> 02:46:04,160
to help us out. I hope

4062
02:46:04,160 --> 02:46:06,000
>> it does help a lot because right there,

4063
02:46:06,000 --> 02:46:08,720
sorry to interrupt. It's the that's

4064
02:46:08,720 --> 02:46:10,240
already developed. So, the city's going

4065
02:46:10,240 --> 02:46:11,920
to pay that cost at some point if that

4066
02:46:11,920 --> 02:46:14,080
ever puts in the sidewalk. So,

4067
02:46:14,080 --> 02:46:14,560
>> right,

4068
02:46:14,560 --> 02:46:16,080
>> either we're going to have to go out

4069
02:46:16,080 --> 02:46:18,479
later to get a grant when we have other

4070
02:46:18,479 --> 02:46:20,479
means to pay for it besides the

4071
02:46:20,479 --> 02:46:23,359
watercraft. It would be either taxes as

4072
02:46:23,359 --> 02:46:25,920
we get bigger things like that pay for

4073
02:46:25,920 --> 02:46:28,160
that because and we can push that off if

4074
02:46:28,160 --> 02:46:29,439
we want to because that's the

4075
02:46:29,439 --> 02:46:30,240
consideration.

4076
02:46:30,240 --> 02:46:31,439
>> I think it looks good. I just wondered

4077
02:46:31,439 --> 02:46:32,640
because like the safer route to school

4078
02:46:32,640 --> 02:46:33,920
seems like it was a lot it was more

4079
02:46:33,920 --> 02:46:35,279
money than we were getting for the tap

4080
02:46:35,279 --> 02:46:37,040
one. I wanted different reviews.

4081
02:46:37,040 --> 02:46:38,720
>> They actually, I believe, if I remember

4082
02:46:38,720 --> 02:46:42,319
right, they gave us more than what um

4083
02:46:42,319 --> 02:46:45,680
what they were allowing because our

4084
02:46:45,680 --> 02:46:49,680
initial one was like 313,000 and we were

4085
02:46:49,680 --> 02:46:51,680
only asking for a portion of that and

4086
02:46:51,680 --> 02:46:53,600
then they were like, we had our own

4087
02:46:53,600 --> 02:46:55,600
estimators come out and we estimated it

4088
02:46:55,600 --> 02:46:57,359
to be at 356 and that's what we're going

4089
02:46:57,359 --> 02:46:58,960
to give you. So, I don't know, maybe

4090
02:46:58,960 --> 02:46:59,920
they just didn't have a lot of

4091
02:46:59,920 --> 02:47:01,920
applications. Um, but they did end up

4092
02:47:01,920 --> 02:47:03,120
coming back and they're like, "We're

4093
02:47:03,120 --> 02:47:04,479
actually giving you more money than what

4094
02:47:04,479 --> 02:47:05,120
you asked for."

4095
02:47:05,120 --> 02:47:07,510
>> I think it's Alexis doing a great job.

4096
02:47:07,510 --> 02:47:07,600
[laughter]

4097
02:47:07,600 --> 02:47:11,200
>> Yeah, she's really convincing.

4098
02:47:11,200 --> 02:47:14,479
>> I think these are both good options.

4099
02:47:14,479 --> 02:47:16,080
>> Um, yeah, that's all.

4100
02:47:16,080 --> 02:47:17,439
>> All right. Thanks, Alexis.

4101
02:47:17,439 --> 02:47:20,000
>> You're welcome.

4102
02:47:20,000 --> 02:47:21,840
>> We'll make a motion. How's that?

4103
02:47:21,840 --> 02:47:23,120
>> Let's do it.

4104
02:47:23,120 --> 02:47:24,640
Make a motion we approve resolution

4105
02:47:24,640 --> 02:47:26,640
2026-58

4106
02:47:26,640 --> 02:47:28,319
accepting the federal transportation

4107
02:47:28,319 --> 02:47:30,800
funding awards authorizing staff to

4108
02:47:30,800 --> 02:47:33,600
execute related agreements and providing

4109
02:47:33,600 --> 02:47:36,640
for a an effective date.

4110
02:47:36,640 --> 02:47:38,080
>> We have a motion by council member

4111
02:47:38,080 --> 02:47:39,680
Butler. Is there a second?

4112
02:47:39,680 --> 02:47:40,399
>> Second motion.

4113
02:47:40,399 --> 02:47:42,160
>> Second by council member Skinner. All in

4114
02:47:42,160 --> 02:47:42,800
favor?

4115
02:47:42,800 --> 02:47:45,600
>> I.

4116
02:47:45,600 --> 02:47:47,920
>> Okay.

4117
02:47:47,920 --> 02:47:51,279
Agenda item number 11, council reports.

4118
02:47:51,279 --> 02:47:53,680
Start with Rhett.

4119
02:47:53,680 --> 02:47:56,800
>> All right. Well, I'll uh start off with

4120
02:47:56,800 --> 02:48:00,319
historic preservation. So, coming up on

4121
02:48:00,319 --> 02:48:02,080
October

4122
02:48:02,080 --> 02:48:04,240
from the hours of 3 to 6:00 p.m., which

4123
02:48:04,240 --> 02:48:06,399
is the night of honey harvest, we are

4124
02:48:06,399 --> 02:48:10,240
having our um annual historian

4125
02:48:10,240 --> 02:48:14,240
>> um home tour. We've got uh 10 homes that

4126
02:48:14,240 --> 02:48:21,439
have volunteered and we we have some new fresh homes that we haven't had on the tour before. So, I

4127
02:48:21,439 --> 02:48:23,200
think it'll be great. Um so, that's

4128
02:48:23,200 --> 02:48:24,319
something that we've been working on

4129
02:48:24,319 --> 02:48:24,800
there.

4130
02:48:24,800 --> 02:48:26,080
>> Oh, it's a date.

4131
02:48:26,080 --> 02:48:28,720
>> October 10th, which is the same weekend

4132
02:48:28,720 --> 02:48:30,319
as the Honey Harvest Festival. And we

4133
02:48:30,319 --> 02:48:32,080
always couple it with

4134
02:48:32,080 --> 02:48:35,120
>> Also the same weekend as the rodeo.

4135
02:48:35,120 --> 02:48:35,680
>> Yeah.

4136
02:48:35,680 --> 02:48:36,720
>> Which is great.

4137
02:48:36,720 --> 02:48:38,640
>> Yeah. We'll have a full day of

4138
02:48:38,640 --> 02:48:40,880
activities. Lots of people in town.

4139
02:48:40,880 --> 02:48:41,520
>> Yep.

4140
02:48:41,520 --> 02:48:46,319
>> So, we have that um planning and zoning

4141
02:48:46,319 --> 02:48:50,720
um was yesterday. Uh we had um quite the

4142
02:48:50,720 --> 02:48:53,840
discussion on the um the tire facility,

4143
02:48:53,840 --> 02:48:57,279
the tire recycling facility and um I

4144
02:48:57,279 --> 02:48:59,279
think we came to a good or they came to

4145
02:48:59,279 --> 02:49:03,120
a good resolution. um wasn't perfect,

4146
02:49:03,120 --> 02:49:05,359
but I think it it gets us where we need

4147
02:49:05,359 --> 02:49:08,880
to be and in six months we need to um

4148
02:49:08,880 --> 02:49:10,800
I'm in planning and zoning and can can

4149
02:49:10,800 --> 02:49:12,720
really look at that conditional use

4150
02:49:12,720 --> 02:49:14,319
permit again. So

4151
02:49:14,319 --> 02:49:15,840
>> just a question on that because I had to

4152
02:49:15,840 --> 02:49:17,520
leave just before we finished that

4153
02:49:17,520 --> 02:49:19,840
discussion. So they've given them six

4154
02:49:19,840 --> 02:49:23,359
months, but what happens in I I believe

4155
02:49:23,359 --> 02:49:25,439
it was going to be like every month they

4156
02:49:25,439 --> 02:49:27,760
had to have like a review. Yeah, it

4157
02:49:27,760 --> 02:49:28,160
needed.

4158
02:49:28,160 --> 02:49:30,000
>> And so what happens if in one month they

4159
02:49:30,000 --> 02:49:32,080
haven't met their parameters of then

4160
02:49:32,080 --> 02:49:34,960
it's just over. The the deal's over.

4161
02:49:34,960 --> 02:49:37,520
>> Well,

4162
02:49:37,520 --> 02:49:39,359
here here's the I think from my

4163
02:49:39,359 --> 02:49:41,200
perspective and that really wasn't

4164
02:49:41,200 --> 02:49:42,720
necessarily discussed. They have six

4165
02:49:42,720 --> 02:49:43,600
months to do it.

4166
02:49:43,600 --> 02:49:44,319
>> Okay.

4167
02:49:44,319 --> 02:49:49,840
>> So, the most important thing for us to direct them to do and that planning

4168
02:49:49,840 --> 02:49:57,439
and zoning did was to clean it up. the goal is to get to have no tires on

4169
02:49:57,439 --> 02:49:58,960
the ground because that's what the

4170
02:49:58,960 --> 02:50:00,479
conditional use permit said

4171
02:50:00,479 --> 02:50:02,560
>> was initially given to them. Yeah.

4172
02:50:02,560 --> 02:50:07,520
>> Yes. And so we we have 50,000 plus tires

4173
02:50:07,520 --> 02:50:09,840
sitting there. It is a fire hazard. It's

4174
02:50:09,840 --> 02:50:11,040
a concern. Yes,

4175
02:50:11,040 --> 02:50:13,600
>> I drive by it quite regularly as I go

4176
02:50:13,600 --> 02:50:16,080
out to visit my parents and I've been

4177
02:50:16,080 --> 02:50:18,640
shocked at how that thing's just grown

4178
02:50:18,640 --> 02:50:22,319
over the last year since since since PNC

4179
02:50:22,319 --> 02:50:23,200
approved them.

4180
02:50:23,200 --> 02:50:23,600
>> Yeah.

4181
02:50:23,600 --> 02:50:25,760
>> And I just scratched my head as to how

4182
02:50:25,760 --> 02:50:28,560
we let that balloon over the course of

4183
02:50:28,560 --> 02:50:32,640
time. I mean, so

4184
02:50:32,640 --> 02:50:35,439
let's let's see how how they improve in

4185
02:50:35,439 --> 02:50:36,560
the next six months.

4186
02:50:36,560 --> 02:50:39,279
>> Okay. So

4187
02:50:39,279 --> 02:50:41,840
obviously disappointing um in those

4188
02:50:41,840 --> 02:50:44,080
regards but that that did get some

4189
02:50:44,080 --> 02:50:47,279
movement. Um in regards to the library,

4190
02:50:47,279 --> 02:50:49,920
I think you know everything there is is

4191
02:50:49,920 --> 02:50:51,680
going well. I attended our library board

4192
02:50:51,680 --> 02:50:54,640
meeting for this this quarter and really

4193
02:50:54,640 --> 02:50:57,840
nothing necessarily to to update other

4194
02:50:57,840 --> 02:50:59,359
than there was some talk and some

4195
02:50:59,359 --> 02:51:00,960
discussion with the board on the budget

4196
02:51:00,960 --> 02:51:02,800
and

4197
02:51:02,800 --> 02:51:05,200
library did tighten their belts and I

4198
02:51:05,200 --> 02:51:07,040
think that they were you know I think

4199
02:51:07,040 --> 02:51:08,800
all organizations in the city did but

4200
02:51:08,800 --> 02:51:10,560
they they did as well and there was a

4201
02:51:10,560 --> 02:51:12,319
little bit of talk amongst the board

4202
02:51:12,319 --> 02:51:15,279
members on that but John's great with

4203
02:51:15,279 --> 02:51:17,840
what he does and he does he does more

4204
02:51:17,840 --> 02:51:20,000
with less So

4205
02:51:20,000 --> 02:51:21,520
>> I agree. Thank you.

4206
02:51:21,520 --> 02:51:25,279
>> So anyways, that's my report.

4207
02:51:25,279 --> 02:51:29,040
>> Um I had a time conflict uh with the

4208
02:51:29,040 --> 02:51:31,520
last um

4209
02:51:31,520 --> 02:51:34,560
Veterans Memorial Park uh meeting, but

4210
02:51:34,560 --> 02:51:36,080
they have completed we have completed

4211
02:51:36,080 --> 02:51:41,040
phase one um of that and so which was

4212
02:51:41,040 --> 02:51:44,000
what we had allowed and budgeted and so

4213
02:51:44,000 --> 02:51:47,439
we're to that point. um they continue to

4214
02:51:47,439 --> 02:51:49,359
fund raise and look at other options and

4215
02:51:49,359 --> 02:51:53,279
so um is to try to get you know the next

4216
02:51:53,279 --> 02:51:56,240
phase I think the goal is to try to have

4217
02:51:56,240 --> 02:52:00,000
that park and have irrigation in and you

4218
02:52:00,000 --> 02:52:01,520
know get it to the point where it has

4219
02:52:01,520 --> 02:52:04,800
grass and and then kick it into the next

4220
02:52:04,800 --> 02:52:08,319
year and so um I know there's there's a

4221
02:52:08,319 --> 02:52:10,560
lot of moving components as you know

4222
02:52:10,560 --> 02:52:14,880
people they're starting to get more um

4223
02:52:14,880 --> 02:52:16,800
momentum as far as donations and those

4224
02:52:16,800 --> 02:52:17,200
kinds of things.

4225
02:52:17,200 --> 02:52:18,720
>> Right. My question was going to be do

4226
02:52:18,720 --> 02:52:20,880
you know how much they did raise on the

4227
02:52:20,880 --> 02:52:22,399
4th of July because it seemed like there

4228
02:52:22,399 --> 02:52:25,120
were a lot of donations coming forward

4229
02:52:25,120 --> 02:52:26,640
that day. I don't know.

4230
02:52:26,640 --> 02:52:30,160
>> Yeah, we went we went through um I you

4231
02:52:30,160 --> 02:52:33,040
know I think from we went through all of

4232
02:52:33,040 --> 02:52:35,200
that. Um I was a little surprised. I

4233
02:52:35,200 --> 02:52:40,319
felt they could have charged more for the cornhole specifically. I kind of

4234
02:52:40,319 --> 02:52:41,680
that was one of the comments that I

4235
02:52:41,680 --> 02:52:43,920
made. I think uh I know they tried to

4236
02:52:43,920 --> 02:52:46,240
keep it, you know, within a range that

4237
02:52:46,240 --> 02:52:49,359
kids could play and and do that, but um

4238
02:52:49,359 --> 02:52:52,560
I know they've had uh a number of

4239
02:52:52,560 --> 02:52:55,200
corporate vendors that have pledged

4240
02:52:55,200 --> 02:52:59,200
money and so they've got so so yeah, and

4241
02:52:59,200 --> 02:53:01,439
more momentum I think now is the park

4242
02:53:01,439 --> 02:53:04,560
and you see the the monument, you know,

4243
02:53:04,560 --> 02:53:06,319
plant and everything, the foundations

4244
02:53:06,319 --> 02:53:08,319
for that. Obviously, it's going to look

4245
02:53:08,319 --> 02:53:09,840
a lot better when it's when it's

4246
02:53:09,840 --> 02:53:12,399
finished, but all of those components as

4247
02:53:12,399 --> 02:53:14,640
they're going in. I think it's, you

4248
02:53:14,640 --> 02:53:19,920
know, get getting more momentum. So, that's where where we're at with

4249
02:53:19,920 --> 02:53:22,000
that. Um,

4250
02:53:22,000 --> 02:53:24,800
uh, as far as the, uh, school district,

4251
02:53:24,800 --> 02:53:26,000
we've had several meetings with the

4252
02:53:26,000 --> 02:53:28,800
school district and we're draft uh,

4253
02:53:28,800 --> 02:53:31,359
we've drafted anou and we're in the

4254
02:53:31,359 --> 02:53:34,560
process of of going through that. Uh I

4255
02:53:34,560 --> 02:53:36,960
think we've gained a lot of ground as

4256
02:53:36,960 --> 02:53:40,319
far as a good agreement in place for the

4257
02:53:40,319 --> 02:53:44,720
Cherry Street Park and um so there will

4258
02:53:44,720 --> 02:53:46,399
be more to come on that and then that

4259
02:53:46,399 --> 02:53:49,760
will come before the council. Um I mean

4260
02:53:49,760 --> 02:53:52,640
to maybe generalize kind of where we sit

4261
02:53:52,640 --> 02:53:56,399
um the they will take care of uh the

4262
02:53:56,399 --> 02:54:00,240
park for for the entire year um and

4263
02:54:00,240 --> 02:54:07,040
ensure that those playing surfaces are kept in a manner that we can we can

4264
02:54:07,040 --> 02:54:10,240
put kids on them. Um and then on top of

4265
02:54:10,240 --> 02:54:13,439
that there will be a fee that will be

4266
02:54:13,439 --> 02:54:17,920
associated with uh with that. So, um,

4267
02:54:17,920 --> 02:54:19,600
>> not not for us, for them.

4268
02:54:19,600 --> 02:54:24,080
>> Not for us, for them to to utilize the the

4269
02:54:24,080 --> 02:54:27,359
park. And so, um, I think that's a a

4270
02:54:27,359 --> 02:54:29,680
good step in the right direction.

4271
02:54:29,680 --> 02:54:31,040
There's a lot of challenges with the

4272
02:54:31,040 --> 02:54:33,920
park. Um, mainly as it's kind of been a

4273
02:54:33,920 --> 02:54:36,000
shared re

4274
02:54:36,000 --> 02:54:40,479
it's been a shared resource and it's going to

4275
02:54:40,479 --> 02:54:43,520
continue to be. Um, and we're going to

4276
02:54:43,520 --> 02:54:46,880
do that in a yearly agreement. uh for so

4277
02:54:46,880 --> 02:54:49,600
the council can can see can establish

4278
02:54:49,600 --> 02:54:52,720
that year by year as that gets more

4279
02:54:52,720 --> 02:54:57,279
challenging um you know as we continue

4280
02:54:57,279 --> 02:54:59,040
to grow. So hopefully some of these

4281
02:54:59,040 --> 02:55:00,720
other parks will alleviate some of that

4282
02:55:00,720 --> 02:55:06,960
pressure scenic slopes u but uh they would like to continue to

4283
02:55:06,960 --> 02:55:09,279
utilize that part for the school

4284
02:55:09,279 --> 02:55:11,840
purposes at least next year

4285
02:55:11,840 --> 02:55:15,520
>> at least for one more year. Y

4286
02:55:15,520 --> 02:55:17,040
>> thank you, Derek.

4287
02:55:17,040 --> 02:55:19,520
>> Um I have much on my I'm locked out of

4288
02:55:19,520 --> 02:55:21,040
my city email and that's where my notes

4289
02:55:21,040 --> 02:55:21,279
were.

4290
02:55:21,279 --> 02:55:24,720
>> Well, I was too. I had a call.

4291
02:55:24,720 --> 02:55:26,080
>> We'll get up tomorrow. Um

4292
02:55:26,080 --> 02:55:29,680
>> I had a recording today. One thing I I

4293
02:55:29,680 --> 02:55:31,680
talked to a guy that and I was going to

4294
02:55:31,680 --> 02:55:33,359
talk to I need to talk to Alexis too,

4295
02:55:33,359 --> 02:55:34,560
but they reached out I don't know if

4296
02:55:34,560 --> 02:55:36,319
they reached out to anybody else about

4297
02:55:36,319 --> 02:55:40,000
they help um do grants for like lighting

4298
02:55:40,000 --> 02:55:42,319
on the fields for like so scenic slopes

4299
02:55:42,319 --> 02:55:43,359
the baseball field.

4300
02:55:43,359 --> 02:55:44,000
>> Great.

4301
02:55:44,000 --> 02:55:47,200
>> Um I spoke with I emailed him and just

4302
02:55:47,200 --> 02:55:48,800
he sent over some information. So, I

4303
02:55:48,800 --> 02:55:50,479
don't know if that's something I wanted

4304
02:55:50,479 --> 02:55:52,960
to look at and see what it it's all

4305
02:55:52,960 --> 02:55:55,680
about or but I think lights would be

4306
02:55:55,680 --> 02:55:56,479
great up there because

4307
02:55:56,479 --> 02:55:58,000
>> I think it's definitely something we

4308
02:55:58,000 --> 02:55:58,880
want to Yeah.

4309
02:55:58,880 --> 02:56:00,640
>> Me and Rhett know very well that you can

4310
02:56:00,640 --> 02:56:02,560
only get about one game in when it's

4311
02:56:02,560 --> 02:56:06,080
before daylight um savings time. So, we

4312
02:56:06,080 --> 02:56:07,600
want to do that. I can send you guys the

4313
02:56:07,600 --> 02:56:09,200
information that he sends me and get

4314
02:56:09,200 --> 02:56:10,240
with Alexis and see.

4315
02:56:10,240 --> 02:56:11,680
>> Yeah, if you'll get with Alexis, that'd

4316
02:56:11,680 --> 02:56:13,439
be great.

4317
02:56:13,439 --> 02:56:15,840
>> Sorry. Go ahead. No, I just it's one

4318
02:56:15,840 --> 02:56:18,720
thing I I wanted to bring up is maybe

4319
02:56:18,720 --> 02:56:21,279
just if we can have a planning and

4320
02:56:21,279 --> 02:56:22,720
zoning and you guys look at that

4321
02:56:22,720 --> 02:56:26,319
mixeduse chapter. It's it goes from, you

4322
02:56:26,319 --> 02:56:28,800
know, 19A and then it actually reverts

4323
02:56:28,800 --> 02:56:31,120
here at chapter 4.3, which I know we've

4324
02:56:31,120 --> 02:56:32,399
talked about it clear back from when I

4325
02:56:32,399 --> 02:56:34,960
was on, but I don't know. I know you

4326
02:56:34,960 --> 02:56:36,479
guys have worked a lot on it, but it's

4327
02:56:36,479 --> 02:56:40,240
just it's ugly. The mu word is like a

4328
02:56:40,240 --> 02:56:44,070
swear word in my vocabulary.

4329
02:56:44,080 --> 02:56:45,359
it just

4330
02:56:45,359 --> 02:56:46,880
>> there's a lot to it and you got to cross

4331
02:56:46,880 --> 02:56:48,880
reference and I don't know if that's

4332
02:56:48,880 --> 02:56:50,319
something that's I know you guys are

4333
02:56:50,319 --> 02:56:52,160
taking on a lot but

4334
02:56:52,160 --> 02:56:54,479
>> maybe in the near future I don't know

4335
02:56:54,479 --> 02:56:57,017
maybe a Christmas present for us

4336
02:56:57,017 --> 02:56:59,439
[laughter] think it it's my opinion like

4337
02:56:59,439 --> 02:57:03,120
I think it fits better in larger in in a

4338
02:57:03,120 --> 02:57:07,120
more metropolitan city type areas like

4339
02:57:07,120 --> 02:57:09,680
it it almost doesn't really fit in

4340
02:57:09,680 --> 02:57:11,439
Granville in my opinion at all

4341
02:57:11,439 --> 02:57:13,279
>> the intentions were good what We wanted

4342
02:57:13,279 --> 02:57:15,840
to try to, but it just just like

4343
02:57:15,840 --> 02:57:17,439
everything ordinance, we start doing it,

4344
02:57:17,439 --> 02:57:19,840
then we see maybe we need to make some

4345
02:57:19,840 --> 02:57:20,479
tweaks. But

4346
02:57:20,479 --> 02:57:21,840
>> would you rather would you ra I'm sorry

4347
02:57:21,840 --> 02:57:23,439
to interrupt, but would you rather have

4348
02:57:23,439 --> 02:57:25,520
us look at

4349
02:57:25,520 --> 02:57:27,439
massaging it and trying to get it right

4350
02:57:27,439 --> 02:57:29,200
or would you rather just repeal?

4351
02:57:29,200 --> 02:57:30,800
>> No. So, I mean, so it's hard because

4352
02:57:30,800 --> 02:57:33,279
we've got 19A, which says mixed use, and

4353
02:57:33,279 --> 02:57:35,920
it has all the different

4354
02:57:35,920 --> 02:57:37,439
square footage of lots and different

4355
02:57:37,439 --> 02:57:39,840
things, but then you have to revert to

4356
02:57:39,840 --> 02:57:43,920
4.34 for the multi-units or and stuff

4357
02:57:43,920 --> 02:57:45,600
like that. I mean, if we just had I

4358
02:57:45,600 --> 02:57:46,960
don't know.

4359
02:57:46,960 --> 02:57:49,760
I just I feel like it's it's gray and

4360
02:57:49,760 --> 02:57:52,479
it's hard to to navigate it and to kind

4361
02:57:52,479 --> 02:57:54,640
of truly understand it because I was

4362
02:57:54,640 --> 02:57:56,960
like you can't have, you know,

4363
02:57:56,960 --> 02:57:59,200
multi-family homes, but then I forgot,

4364
02:57:59,200 --> 02:58:01,279
well, I've got to look at 4.34 and

4365
02:58:01,279 --> 02:58:03,200
that's where all that information is,

4366
02:58:03,200 --> 02:58:03,840
>> right?

4367
02:58:03,840 --> 02:58:06,319
>> So, it kind of just muddies things up a

4368
02:58:06,319 --> 02:58:07,520
little bit. One of my least favorite

4369
02:58:07,520 --> 02:58:09,439
parts of a code is where it references

4370
02:58:09,439 --> 02:58:11,279
something by reference and then you got

4371
02:58:11,279 --> 02:58:13,040
to change both sections and it's this

4372
02:58:13,040 --> 02:58:15,920
big mess. Um, we'll look we'll look into

4373
02:58:15,920 --> 02:58:16,800
it.

4374
02:58:16,800 --> 02:58:18,319
>> I mean, we we just [clears throat]

4375
02:58:18,319 --> 02:58:20,880
finished a multifamily project in Park

4376
02:58:20,880 --> 02:58:22,800
City. It's got like the first floor is

4377
02:58:22,800 --> 02:58:24,479
all retail. So, you've got like your

4378
02:58:24,479 --> 02:58:25,520
Starbucks and

4379
02:58:25,520 --> 02:58:27,120
>> Yeah. the true vertical mixed use.

4380
02:58:27,120 --> 02:58:28,479
>> Yeah. And then everything above it is

4381
02:58:28,479 --> 02:58:32,160
apartments so or you know it's got a

4382
02:58:32,160 --> 02:58:34,080
town home section that goes around it.

4383
02:58:34,080 --> 02:58:38,800
Um, but it also has a enormous

4384
02:58:38,800 --> 02:58:41,439
like central area uh

4385
02:58:41,439 --> 02:58:45,040
>> of open space which which has a

4386
02:58:45,040 --> 02:58:47,200
fireplace.

4387
02:58:47,200 --> 02:58:48,399
>> One of the things I can think of right

4388
02:58:48,399 --> 02:58:50,160
off the top is that mixeduse

4389
02:58:50,160 --> 02:58:52,720
developments really want to be large

4390
02:58:52,720 --> 02:58:55,279
acreage type developments, not these

4391
02:58:55,279 --> 02:58:58,319
infill 20 to 30 acre type things. I I

4392
02:58:58,319 --> 02:59:00,560
know that's a lot of acres, but when

4393
02:59:00,560 --> 02:59:02,080
you're squeezing that kind of thing in,

4394
02:59:02,080 --> 02:59:03,760
you're already dealing with a fabric of

4395
02:59:03,760 --> 02:59:05,760
a neighborhood that's already existing.

4396
02:59:05,760 --> 02:59:07,040
And then you run into problems like

4397
02:59:07,040 --> 02:59:08,720
we're seeing tonight where the neighbors

4398
02:59:08,720 --> 02:59:10,720
are like, "Oh, I didn't want this. You

4399
02:59:10,720 --> 02:59:13,200
know, I have my acre lot and I want

4400
02:59:13,200 --> 02:59:15,439
animals and I don't want, you know, a

4401
02:59:15,439 --> 02:59:17,359
bunch of people right in my backyard."

4402
02:59:17,359 --> 02:59:20,880
Which is totally fair. Um, so if if it

4403
02:59:20,880 --> 02:59:23,439
is something like a 100 acres or more,

4404
02:59:23,439 --> 02:59:27,120
then you can bake in the uh open spaces

4405
02:59:27,120 --> 02:59:28,560
and the buffering and all of those

4406
02:59:28,560 --> 02:59:30,160
things so that the neighbors aren't as

4407
02:59:30,160 --> 02:59:32,479
impacted and that those impacts are

4408
02:59:32,479 --> 02:59:33,920
easier to mitigate.

4409
02:59:33,920 --> 02:59:35,600
>> So that was just one thing that came to

4410
02:59:35,600 --> 02:59:39,439
my mind as we're talking tonight.

4411
02:59:39,439 --> 02:59:41,760
>> That's all I had.

4412
02:59:41,760 --> 02:59:42,160
>> Britney.

4413
02:59:42,160 --> 02:59:44,080
>> Um, so we the board of health met last

4414
02:59:44,080 --> 02:59:46,160
month. Not much to report. Well, it's

4415
02:59:46,160 --> 02:59:47,520
pretty quick meeting. Um the only thing

4416
02:59:47,520 --> 02:59:49,920
is they said so I think I mentioned this

4417
02:59:49,920 --> 02:59:51,279
last time they do have a dentist office

4418
02:59:51,279 --> 02:59:53,760
in the board of health office like in so

4419
02:59:53,760 --> 02:59:55,279
what you can do low cost they're looking

4420
02:59:55,279 --> 02:59:56,640
for a dental hygienist they're having a

4421
02:59:56,640 --> 02:59:58,080
really hard time getting it because it's

4422
02:59:58,080 --> 02:59:59,760
government so they don't pay as much

4423
02:59:59,760 --> 03:00:01,200
anybody knows a dental hygienist they

4424
03:00:01,200 --> 03:00:03,920
sent me the um I can afford it it's just

4425
03:00:03,920 --> 03:00:06,080
their um hosting

4426
03:00:06,080 --> 03:00:08,720
so they did get some assistance but they

4427
03:00:08,720 --> 03:00:10,000
can't find a hygienist to help out

4428
03:00:10,000 --> 03:00:11,439
because it's so they're looking for

4429
03:00:11,439 --> 03:00:14,479
somebody who like wants a flex schedule

4430
03:00:14,479 --> 03:00:15,840
um and then I they're going to have me

4431
03:00:15,840 --> 03:00:18,000
join like the tell board of health or

4432
03:00:18,000 --> 03:00:19,439
something and help with the symposium.

4433
03:00:19,439 --> 03:00:20,560
So,

4434
03:00:20,560 --> 03:00:22,080
>> we'll

4435
03:00:22,080 --> 03:00:24,000
Yeah, not much.

4436
03:00:24,000 --> 03:00:25,520
>> Okay, great.

4437
03:00:25,520 --> 03:00:27,120
>> I went out of town and missed a lot of

4438
03:00:27,120 --> 03:00:28,640
life last week. Um,

4439
03:00:28,640 --> 03:00:29,439
>> good for you.

4440
03:00:29,439 --> 03:00:31,439
>> Yeah, about the only I did is I did meet

4441
03:00:31,439 --> 03:00:34,479
with Stephen Baba on the Clark farm. Do

4442
03:00:34,479 --> 03:00:36,960
you guys know we we just put in that

4443
03:00:36,960 --> 03:00:38,960
drainage

4444
03:00:38,960 --> 03:00:41,040
what through the Clark Farm. It comes

4445
03:00:41,040 --> 03:00:42,800
right out in that first field. There's

4446
03:00:42,800 --> 03:00:44,080
that big culvert.

4447
03:00:44,080 --> 03:00:47,680
>> Yeah. So the purpose of that is to would

4448
03:00:47,680 --> 03:00:49,920
flood down through the fields, right?

4449
03:00:49,920 --> 03:00:51,120
>> Okay.

4450
03:00:51,120 --> 03:00:52,640
>> So we kind of went over all the

4451
03:00:52,640 --> 03:00:54,800
concerns. I asked him to kind of I just

4452
03:00:54,800 --> 03:00:57,439
said, "We need the pretty picture phase.

4453
03:00:57,439 --> 03:00:59,840
We just need to see what you're

4454
03:00:59,840 --> 03:01:02,080
thinking." But since then, I've walked

4455
03:01:02,080 --> 03:01:03,760
the property. I've been over there two

4456
03:01:03,760 --> 03:01:07,680
nights. I I actually have ideas to

4457
03:01:07,680 --> 03:01:09,840
present back to him that I think are

4458
03:01:09,840 --> 03:01:12,080
different. I know that are different. So

4459
03:01:12,080 --> 03:01:14,640
I I'm going to do that this week.

4460
03:01:14,640 --> 03:01:17,359
Um, I think his stuff needs to be a

4461
03:01:17,359 --> 03:01:19,439
little further down.

4462
03:01:19,439 --> 03:01:22,240
>> Um, allowing because of that drainage,

4463
03:01:22,240 --> 03:01:24,560
allowing any type of fields to remain

4464
03:01:24,560 --> 03:01:27,680
there. Lari can have her dirt road line

4465
03:01:27,680 --> 03:01:29,760
by trees. I' So, I think I've got a

4466
03:01:29,760 --> 03:01:32,399
better idea to present him, but just

4467
03:01:32,399 --> 03:01:35,840
know that I I'm kind of I did that.

4468
03:01:35,840 --> 03:01:39,200
>> Perfect. Thank you.

4469
03:01:39,200 --> 03:01:41,520
>> Can I add something? I just the thought

4470
03:01:41,520 --> 03:01:47,920
crossed my last night at PNZ. There's a like a farm. She she presented a farm

4471
03:01:47,920 --> 03:01:49,120
>> a business kind of

4472
03:01:49,120 --> 03:01:51,120
>> way. The comment that she made, one of

4473
03:01:51,120 --> 03:01:55,200
the comments she made was regarding like

4474
03:01:55,200 --> 03:01:57,840
a a need like there's a lot of there's a

4475
03:01:57,840 --> 03:02:00,880
lot of individuals that would like, you

4476
03:02:00,880 --> 03:02:02,399
know, like a place you could go where

4477
03:02:02,399 --> 03:02:05,520
you have animals or have animals. I I we

4478
03:02:05,520 --> 03:02:08,240
envision that area down there. I I I

4479
03:02:08,240 --> 03:02:11,040
hope it becomes so I paint a picture

4480
03:02:11,040 --> 03:02:12,070
that's in my head.

4481
03:02:12,075 --> 03:02:12,080
» [clears throat]

4482
03:02:12,080 --> 03:02:15,520
>> So, and this does involve extending

4483
03:02:15,520 --> 03:02:17,760
good night the name of the road just

4484
03:02:17,760 --> 03:02:19,520
>> raol

4485
03:02:19,520 --> 03:02:22,880
over to Dave Reach property. But I mean

4486
03:02:22,880 --> 03:02:24,880
that's where we want the traffic anyway.

4487
03:02:24,880 --> 03:02:26,800
But you could go in that road and on the

4488
03:02:26,800 --> 03:02:28,960
right side you could have a youth a

4489
03:02:28,960 --> 03:02:30,479
center

4490
03:02:30,479 --> 03:02:32,960
just right to the that would be the

4491
03:02:32,960 --> 03:02:35,439
north side of that road and then around

4492
03:02:35,439 --> 03:02:38,160
that you could put pens for cows, sheep

4493
03:02:38,160 --> 03:02:39,920
and pigs

4494
03:02:39,920 --> 03:02:41,760
in a really easy concept and it really

4495
03:02:41,760 --> 03:02:43,279
works right there because that's the

4496
03:02:43,279 --> 03:02:45,359
backside of all those lots where they

4497
03:02:45,359 --> 03:02:47,600
have animals anyway. So I think the

4498
03:02:47,600 --> 03:02:49,840
further you push that I mean you

4499
03:02:49,840 --> 03:02:51,920
typically don't want people It's not a

4500
03:02:51,920 --> 03:02:56,319
petting zoo. Right. Right. It's not a [clears throat]

4501
03:02:56,319 --> 03:02:58,000
>> You don't want walking trails through

4502
03:02:58,000 --> 03:03:00,000
this. It's for the youth

4503
03:03:00,000 --> 03:03:02,800
>> for them to raise livestock. And he's

4504
03:03:02,800 --> 03:03:04,880
got a pretty good vision on on what he

4505
03:03:04,880 --> 03:03:06,399
would want there. But you can kind of

4506
03:03:06,399 --> 03:03:08,399
vision in your head a youth a center

4507
03:03:08,399 --> 03:03:12,000
with pens around it. And I I think I

4508
03:03:12,000 --> 03:03:14,720
think it kind of fits right there um in

4509
03:03:14,720 --> 03:03:17,200
my opinion. So, and just just think

4510
03:03:17,200 --> 03:03:19,680
about it, but that's kind of what's in

4511
03:03:19,680 --> 03:03:23,120
my head. So, All

4512
03:03:23,120 --> 03:03:23,520
right.

4513
03:03:23,520 --> 03:03:25,439
>> Dancing around. There's I think there's

4514
03:03:25,439 --> 03:03:29,120
a few

4515
03:03:29,120 --> 03:03:30,880
washes or ditches down through there

4516
03:03:30,880 --> 03:03:32,640
that you have to make dance around, but

4517
03:03:32,640 --> 03:03:35,200
I think it fits right there. So, maybe

4518
03:03:35,200 --> 03:03:37,840
not as much acreage as they want. I

4519
03:03:37,840 --> 03:03:41,520
don't I do a lot on five acres. I think

4520
03:03:41,520 --> 03:03:44,479
they could do a lot on 10.

4521
03:03:44,479 --> 03:03:47,760
But another real issue and and I Tyson

4522
03:03:47,760 --> 03:03:51,680
I'm just getting another real issue is

4523
03:03:51,680 --> 03:03:53,840
what type of entity are we leasing the

4524
03:03:53,840 --> 03:03:56,160
property to because it has nothing to do

4525
03:03:56,160 --> 03:03:58,399
with the school district.

4526
03:03:58,399 --> 03:04:00,000
So

4527
03:04:00,000 --> 03:04:03,200
I mean is this a nonprofit deal

4528
03:04:03,200 --> 03:04:06,399
or is this a instead of a lease is this

4529
03:04:06,399 --> 03:04:08,319
time some type of a shared land

4530
03:04:08,319 --> 03:04:10,960
agreement? I'm not an attorney. I just

4531
03:04:10,960 --> 03:04:13,040
made that up. I don't know.

4532
03:04:13,040 --> 03:04:15,279
>> Good. Sound amazing, right?

4533
03:04:15,279 --> 03:04:19,040
>> 501c3. They're friends of the FFA.

4534
03:04:19,040 --> 03:04:21,279
>> Yeah. So, is that that's probably what

4535
03:04:21,279 --> 03:04:24,960
we'd hit is some type of nonprofit, but

4536
03:04:24,960 --> 03:04:27,680
I don't I don't see us leasing this

4537
03:04:27,680 --> 03:04:32,080
land. I see us retaining I don't know.

4538
03:04:32,080 --> 03:04:34,160
We got ownership. I just don't know what

4539
03:04:34,160 --> 03:04:37,120
type of entity we'd be leasing to. Some

4540
03:04:37,120 --> 03:04:39,520
type of LLC. Maybe Grantsville City's a

4541
03:04:39,520 --> 03:04:43,920
50% owner in it. I don't know. But it's

4542
03:04:43,920 --> 03:04:45,760
think about

4543
03:04:45,760 --> 03:04:47,968
impressed that I made that up.

4544
03:04:47,968 --> 03:04:51,590
[laughter]

4545
03:04:51,600 --> 03:04:52,880
» I'm done.

4546
03:04:52,880 --> 03:04:53,359
>> All right.

4547
03:04:53,359 --> 03:04:54,800
>> Mentally and physically.

4548
03:04:54,800 --> 03:04:56,640
>> Least amount of mosquito bites I've ever

4549
03:04:56,640 --> 03:04:57,279
had.

4550
03:04:57,279 --> 03:04:57,680
>> Yeah.

4551
03:04:57,680 --> 03:04:59,120
>> So, I'm sure that was the mosquito

4552
03:04:59,120 --> 03:05:00,640
abatement and not the weather.

4553
03:05:00,640 --> 03:05:02,000
>> I'm sure that's the water. [laughter]

4554
03:05:02,000 --> 03:05:05,279
Really? Both. Yeah.

4555
03:05:05,279 --> 03:05:05,920
>> The ground. [clears throat]

4556
03:05:05,920 --> 03:05:10,160
>> No, you That's Yeah. Anyway, um the 18th

4557
03:05:10,160 --> 03:05:12,319
and 19th of September, I think we

4558
03:05:12,319 --> 03:05:14,399
mentioned this before, but that is the

4559
03:05:14,399 --> 03:05:18,160
grand opening of the new um race

4560
03:05:18,160 --> 03:05:20,160
racetrack. That's like their big event.

4561
03:05:20,160 --> 03:05:23,600
So, if you're available on those dates,

4562
03:05:23,600 --> 03:05:25,120
they would love to have us be involved

4563
03:05:25,120 --> 03:05:27,680
with that. Um

4564
03:05:27,680 --> 03:05:29,359
>> the 18th Avenue is starting at two. Do

4565
03:05:29,359 --> 03:05:30,720
you know how

4566
03:05:30,720 --> 03:05:32,399
>> No, I don't know because we still don't

4567
03:05:32,399 --> 03:05:32,880
know.

4568
03:05:32,880 --> 03:05:35,279
>> Okay. So, I don't have

4569
03:05:35,279 --> 03:05:38,080
>> I don't have anything as far as

4570
03:05:38,080 --> 03:05:39,279
>> I think they're still putting that

4571
03:05:39,279 --> 03:05:40,880
together how that's all going to go.

4572
03:05:40,880 --> 03:05:42,240
>> The 18th and the 19th.

4573
03:05:42,240 --> 03:05:44,000
>> Yes. I think the 18th is going to be

4574
03:05:44,000 --> 03:05:45,840
more like by invitation.

4575
03:05:45,840 --> 03:05:46,240
>> Okay.

4576
03:05:46,240 --> 03:05:48,560
>> And the 19th will be more for the

4577
03:05:48,560 --> 03:05:52,800
public. Yeah. Um I know it's not July so

4578
03:05:52,800 --> 03:05:55,040
I can't say Christmas in July, but

4579
03:05:55,040 --> 03:05:57,600
Christmas in August. I'm just wondering

4580
03:05:57,600 --> 03:06:01,200
if anyone has any ideas for our city

4581
03:06:01,200 --> 03:06:03,920
Christmas party. the last couple years

4582
03:06:03,920 --> 03:06:08,080
they've been to the um

4583
03:06:08,080 --> 03:06:11,359
old church on Clark Street and had a

4584
03:06:11,359 --> 03:06:13,600
dinner during the day. Is that that's

4585
03:06:13,600 --> 03:06:14,880
correct? Right.

4586
03:06:14,880 --> 03:06:15,359
>> Right.

4587
03:06:15,359 --> 03:06:17,200
>> As far as the city employees who are

4588
03:06:17,200 --> 03:06:18,880
here, how do you feel? Like is that the

4589
03:06:18,880 --> 03:06:20,399
best time? Would you prefer it was an

4590
03:06:20,399 --> 03:06:25,760
evening? Do you prefer it in the day? Uh

4591
03:06:25,760 --> 03:06:27,520
>> please say what you want to say.

4592
03:06:27,520 --> 03:06:29,279
>> I love it during the day. It's

4593
03:06:29,279 --> 03:06:30,640
Christmas. You're busy. And another

4594
03:06:30,640 --> 03:06:32,160
thing at night that takes you away from

4595
03:06:32,160 --> 03:06:32,800
family.

4596
03:06:32,800 --> 03:06:33,279
>> Okay.

4597
03:06:33,279 --> 03:06:36,080
>> I prefer it just during the day with our

4598
03:06:36,080 --> 03:06:38,479
employees. They're more comfortable. Our

4599
03:06:38,479 --> 03:06:40,399
family members are not feeling like they

4600
03:06:40,399 --> 03:06:43,200
have to be that third wheel out.

4601
03:06:43,200 --> 03:06:43,760
>> Right.

4602
03:06:43,760 --> 03:06:45,840
>> It's also really hard for those that

4603
03:06:45,840 --> 03:06:48,080
commute. Like if you have it in the

4604
03:06:48,080 --> 03:06:49,920
evening, like do they just especially

4605
03:06:49,920 --> 03:06:51,359
for public works like they're typically

4606
03:06:51,359 --> 03:06:54,240
done at like 3:30. So it's like

4607
03:06:54,240 --> 03:06:56,800
>> do they just drive around until 7? Do

4608
03:06:56,800 --> 03:06:58,720
they go home, turn around, come back? Do

4609
03:06:58,720 --> 03:07:01,840
they come potentially dirty?

4610
03:07:01,840 --> 03:07:03,359
>> Like, you know, it's just it's kind of

4611
03:07:03,359 --> 03:07:05,120
like a logistical nightmare for those

4612
03:07:05,120 --> 03:07:06,399
that commute, I think.

4613
03:07:06,399 --> 03:07:08,560
>> Okay. So, staff would prefer to leave it

4614
03:07:08,560 --> 03:07:10,080
as is.

4615
03:07:10,080 --> 03:07:11,200
>> My team would

4616
03:07:11,200 --> 03:07:14,479
>> Okay. Any anybody else's

4617
03:07:14,479 --> 03:07:17,120
have comments on that? You're good with

4618
03:07:17,120 --> 03:07:18,479
it, Bill? Is that what that was?

4619
03:07:18,479 --> 03:07:19,760
>> I love it. I thought it was great.

4620
03:07:19,760 --> 03:07:20,399
>> Okay.

4621
03:07:20,399 --> 03:07:22,800
>> Yeah, I think it's great. I mean, we did

4622
03:07:22,800 --> 03:07:25,120
just open up the the pavilion, so it is

4623
03:07:25,120 --> 03:07:27,600
a warmer year again that we have. I

4624
03:07:27,600 --> 03:07:29,120
think that would allow us to play like

4625
03:07:29,120 --> 03:07:33,040
games and not be so crowded and cramped

4626
03:07:33,040 --> 03:07:35,279
um as we grow as a city.

4627
03:07:35,279 --> 03:07:37,359
>> Unless the racetrack can house us

4628
03:07:37,359 --> 03:07:38,240
instead,

4629
03:07:38,240 --> 03:07:40,080
>> there

4630
03:07:40,080 --> 03:07:41,840
we are out growing the church.

4631
03:07:41,840 --> 03:07:43,600
>> Yes.

4632
03:07:43,600 --> 03:07:44,960
>> Maybe they could let us drive a

4633
03:07:44,960 --> 03:07:47,040
Lamborghini a couple laps around.

4634
03:07:47,040 --> 03:07:49,279
>> You know what? On the 18th, I'll talk to

4635
03:07:49,279 --> 03:07:50,715
about that.

4636
03:07:50,715 --> 03:07:51,040
>> [clears throat]

4637
03:07:51,040 --> 03:07:53,600
>> I'll be with you. I'll I'll support you.

4638
03:07:53,600 --> 03:07:54,080
>> Yeah.

4639
03:07:54,080 --> 03:07:55,200
>> The first year that we were on the

4640
03:07:55,200 --> 03:07:57,120
council, that's where we had it

4641
03:07:57,120 --> 03:07:58,479
>> was at the Yes.

4642
03:07:58,479 --> 03:08:00,080
>> was at the racetrack and it was

4643
03:08:00,080 --> 03:08:01,120
>> And it was in the evening.

4644
03:08:01,120 --> 03:08:03,120
>> It was in the evening and it was it was

4645
03:08:03,120 --> 03:08:06,720
nice and and I mean I'm fine if you do

4646
03:08:06,720 --> 03:08:08,960
it during the day and accommodate the

4647
03:08:08,960 --> 03:08:10,960
employees, but maybe having it there

4648
03:08:10,960 --> 03:08:12,240
might be the best

4649
03:08:12,240 --> 03:08:12,560
>> Yeah. Yeah.

4650
03:08:12,560 --> 03:08:14,560
>> Best location

4651
03:08:14,560 --> 03:08:16,160
somewhere

4652
03:08:16,160 --> 03:08:19,120
away from all the hustle and bustle on

4653
03:08:19,120 --> 03:08:22,240
the far end of the city, far east end.

4654
03:08:22,240 --> 03:08:24,399
>> Okay. Any other comments on that or

4655
03:08:24,399 --> 03:08:27,120
opinions or suggestions?

4656
03:08:27,120 --> 03:08:28,240
Anyone? All right.

4657
03:08:28,240 --> 03:08:30,319
>> That way we get to use sheep lane.

4658
03:08:30,319 --> 03:08:32,640
>> That's right. [laughter]

4659
03:08:32,640 --> 03:08:36,800
>> Once this year

4660
03:08:36,800 --> 03:08:37,600
>> I did see

4661
03:08:37,600 --> 03:08:38,960
>> residents on sheep lane.

4662
03:08:38,960 --> 03:08:40,720
>> Yeah. [laughter]

4663
03:08:40,720 --> 03:08:42,800
I did see them working on sheep lane

4664
03:08:42,800 --> 03:08:45,200
today when I drove through coming back

4665
03:08:45,200 --> 03:08:47,840
from a meeting in Tilla. So that was

4666
03:08:47,840 --> 03:08:50,319
encouraging that the light was actually

4667
03:08:50,319 --> 03:08:52,640
getting a little bit of attention there.

4668
03:08:52,640 --> 03:08:53,600
So

4669
03:08:53,600 --> 03:08:54,160
>> yes, we did.

4670
03:08:54,160 --> 03:08:56,399
>> I don't know when it will be completed.

4671
03:08:56,399 --> 03:09:00,000
>> Um I think that is everything and I just

4672
03:09:00,000 --> 03:09:01,200
need a motion to adjurnn.

4673
03:09:01,200 --> 03:09:05,920
>> No, close session. Close session.

4674
03:09:05,920 --> 03:09:08,399
>> A short close session. Oh,

4675
03:09:08,399 --> 03:09:10,000
>> mayor. I make a motion we move to a

4676
03:09:10,000 --> 03:09:11,359
close session.

4677
03:09:11,359 --> 03:09:12,880
>> Is there a second?

4678
03:09:12,880 --> 03:09:14,720
>> I'll second.

4679
03:09:14,720 --> 03:09:18,800
>> Motion by Jake, a second by Britney.

4680
03:09:18,800 --> 03:09:23,910
>> All in favor?

4681
03:09:23,920 --> 03:09:26,080
» Yes. Go right ahead. Let's take two

4682
03:09:26,080 --> 03:09:30,710
minutes.

4683
03:09:30,720 --> 03:09:32,399
» Look how cute.

4684
03:09:32,399 --> 03:09:33,279
>> Thank you for attending.

4685
03:09:33,279 --> 03:09:35,520
>> See you later.

4686
03:09:35,520 --> 03:09:38,399
>> Have a good evening. Thank you guys.

4687
03:09:38,399 --> 03:09:39,680
>> Good luck.

4688
03:09:39,680 --> 03:09:47,349
>> We're going to need it.

4689
03:09:47,359 --> 03:09:50,160
» Hold on. Don't say nothing.

4690
03:09:50,160 --> 03:09:52,720
It's not they