1 00:00:21,460 --> 00:00:26,320 I'm ready to cancel the meeting. How you doing, fellas? You ready? Yes. 2 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,600 Pass can. How you doing, Eddie? Good to see you. 3 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,660 Welcome to our meetings, which are our scheduled at seven pm on the second four twos of each 4 00:00:37,660 --> 00:00:43,080 month. Your interest is encouraged and appreciated. Just let everybody know the meeting is being broadcast 5 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:49,900 live on Comcast, cast 17. The meeting is being recorded by NCTV and is scheduled to be broadcast 6 00:00:49,900 --> 00:00:58,180 on NCTV channel 17. You can always check it out on WWW City Grass Valley. Click on the 7 00:00:58,180 --> 00:01:01,220 link there and you can watch anything that's pre-recorded. I'd also like to 8 00:01:01,220 --> 00:01:03,860 recommend people to make sure your cell phones are off. It does make a little 9 00:01:03,860 --> 00:01:09,480 havoc with our system in here. With all that said, Eddie, would you leave us 10 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:14,800 with a touch of allegiance tonight? I mean, you know I was asking your name for a 11 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:15,400 Purpose, did you? 12 00:01:16,460 --> 00:01:22,700 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for 13 00:01:22,700 --> 00:01:29,200 which it stands, one nation under our indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 14 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:30,940 Thank you. 15 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:32,760 All right. 16 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:35,100 All right. 17 00:01:35,100 --> 00:01:35,160 All right. 18 00:01:35,740 --> 00:01:36,520 All right. 19 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,700 All right. 20 00:01:43,060 --> 00:01:43,960 All right. 21 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:44,140 All right. 22 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:44,660 All right. 23 00:01:44,660 --> 00:01:44,680 All right. 24 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:44,780 All right. 25 00:01:44,780 --> 00:01:46,040 five members present. 26 00:01:46,500 --> 00:01:47,380 Terrific, thank you. 27 00:01:47,540 --> 00:01:49,680 There is nothing to report out of closed session. 28 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:51,560 Any changes to the agenda? 29 00:01:51,780 --> 00:01:52,080 No changes. 30 00:01:52,620 --> 00:01:53,080 Terrific. 31 00:01:53,500 --> 00:01:56,340 I'm going right into nothing new introductions and presentations. 32 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:58,740 I'm going to go right into public comment. 33 00:01:59,020 --> 00:02:01,620 There is a time limitation of three minutes per person 34 00:02:01,620 --> 00:02:04,100 for items that are not on the agenda. 35 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,360 So now this is your opportunity to come down to the podium. 36 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,580 This time and speak in regarding to any items that are not on the agenda. 37 00:02:12,580 --> 00:02:13,500 Hello, 38 00:02:16,980 --> 00:02:21,100 Council. My name is Rob, Katz and Stein. I'm a resident of downtown Gras Valley. 39 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:28,560 I'm sorry, I can't stay for the whole meeting, so I want to speak about one item on the agenda, 40 00:02:29,620 --> 00:02:35,280 which is just to congratulate you guys on following the other cities on the dog ordinance, because 41 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:43,780 really, I have been doing a single Thursday night market because I can't bring my dog. 42 00:02:43,780 --> 00:02:49,540 So thank you, thank you, thank you for we haven't approved anything yet. 43 00:02:49,740 --> 00:02:58,000 We haven't approved anything but I encourage you to do so but the other reason I want to speak tonight is a 44 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:03,200 is a transportation issue and I want to point it out before the City Council and hope that they could make some 45 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,540 recommendations to the regional transit board. 46 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:12,960 Are you guys aware that the first bus from Grass Valley in about a city? 47 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:18,080 This is the train in Auburn by 20 minutes. 48 00:03:18,780 --> 00:03:25,720 In other words, if I want to get a meeting in San Francisco, I could get a 630 train in Auburn. 49 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,920 But, no, the old country stages are either at 650. 50 00:03:31,700 --> 00:03:35,460 This is an absurd mismanagement. 51 00:03:36,300 --> 00:03:42,520 I do commute to the city and I would not drive my car to Auburn in order to catch that train. 52 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:47,320 I mean, if goal country transit could accommodate me. 53 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,960 And similarly, on the way back, the last bus leaves at 6 o'clock. 54 00:03:52,380 --> 00:03:53,980 And the train gets in at 6.30. 55 00:03:55,540 --> 00:03:57,980 So I'd just like to encourage you guys to ignore that. 56 00:03:58,240 --> 00:03:59,260 We don't know what that is. 57 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,340 OK, it wasn't going anyway. 58 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,660 But if you guys could look into that and maybe make some inquiries 59 00:04:05,660 --> 00:04:10,500 as to why that connection, it was done that way back in 2009, 60 00:04:10,500 --> 00:04:16,680 I believe when the cutbacks were made but now that things are seemingly back on track with the economy 61 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:26,160 I see no reason why that bus can't leave 20 minutes earlier and or 25 minutes earlier and and and wait and then leave at 62 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:35,400 6.45 rather than 6 o'clock. So basically Gras Valley Nevada County citizens could have a through transit 63 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:41,280 route to get to the Bay Area for meetings, that trade actually arrives at like 9.15 in Richmond, 64 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:48,800 which is perfect for taking the part to the city, doing a meeting, that the return train returns 65 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:56,500 about 3.30, gets in at 6.30, 3.45 I believe. It's just absurd that we don't have that link. Thank you. 66 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:02,720 Thank you. You've begun the, um, the Transit Services Commission? No, I have, um, this was first up, 67 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,140 by actually just thought of doing this last week 68 00:05:05,140 --> 00:05:08,460 because I wanted to take that to the city this week. 69 00:05:08,580 --> 00:05:10,120 Yeah, because the Transit Service Commission 70 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:11,880 is a great place for that to go and you can even write a letter. 71 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:13,140 And Jan sits on that. 72 00:05:13,280 --> 00:05:15,220 I'm on the alternative as well as the black night. 73 00:05:15,620 --> 00:05:18,560 OK, well, any support from the city would be appreciated. 74 00:05:18,740 --> 00:05:19,060 You got it. 75 00:05:19,260 --> 00:05:19,800 OK, thank you. 76 00:05:22,290 --> 00:05:23,370 Anybody else for a public comment? 77 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,540 OK, moving on down to consent items. 78 00:05:28,740 --> 00:05:30,220 All matters listed in the consent calendar 79 00:05:30,220 --> 00:05:32,340 where we consider a routine by the city council 80 00:05:32,840 --> 00:05:35,560 and will be enacted by one motion in the form listed. 81 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:41,100 There will be no separate discussion of these items unless somebody wants to remove the item from the consent. 82 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:42,340 Anybody want to do so? 83 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,140 Any terrific, then can we have a motion? 84 00:05:46,340 --> 00:05:46,580 Assembly. 85 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:49,340 First and second. 86 00:05:49,540 --> 00:05:50,080 Kristi Rolkall. 87 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:51,960 Yes. 88 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:52,100 Yes. 89 00:05:53,540 --> 00:05:54,100 Yes. 90 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:54,800 Yes. 91 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:55,560 Vice-mere of the Vane. 92 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:55,920 Yes. 93 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:57,720 I'm going to move this work out. 94 00:05:58,060 --> 00:05:58,180 Yes. 95 00:05:58,560 --> 00:05:59,020 Careful here. 96 00:05:59,240 --> 00:05:59,380 Yes. 97 00:05:59,960 --> 00:06:01,200 Motion carries followed up. 98 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:01,880 Terrific. 99 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:11,700 On to item H. Item 7, discussing regarding dogs and special events and optional first reasons 100 00:06:11,700 --> 00:06:13,220 of ordinance and menu in that chapter. 101 00:06:20,100 --> 00:06:20,300 Pardon? 102 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:21,920 I'm going to appreciate a reading. 103 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:24,380 You'll go out of it. 104 00:06:24,380 --> 00:06:25,820 Council 105 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,740 members, Lieutenant Gamble-Gard with Grass Valley Police Department before you 106 00:06:31,740 --> 00:06:38,260 this evening is a staff report outlining the issue of dogs and special events. 107 00:06:38,780 --> 00:06:44,840 Some of the items of note in the staff report are that historically and in today's municipal 108 00:06:44,840 --> 00:06:50,920 code, dogs and special events, absent certain exceptions, are not allowed. 109 00:06:52,100 --> 00:06:58,560 The issue of dogs in the event can sometimes cause an enforcement challenge for us when 110 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:06,780 it relates to issues surrounding primarily service animals and individuals who indicate 111 00:07:06,780 --> 00:07:08,440 that their animal is a service animal. 112 00:07:08,740 --> 00:07:17,240 So it can sometimes cause some confusion for patrons of downtown events in that they may 113 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,460 they see a dog in a special event and reality that animal is exempt from our municipal 114 00:07:21,460 --> 00:07:25,600 code because it's a service animal and then there's some question as to why their animal 115 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,900 isn't allowed and so we walk through those processes with folks. 116 00:07:30,620 --> 00:07:36,980 In going through some research on the issue, we found that trucky police department and 117 00:07:36,980 --> 00:07:40,000 the vet of city police department and the town of trucky and the city and the vet of city 118 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:44,780 both allowed dogs on leash within their events and in speaking to police department officials 119 00:07:44,780 --> 00:07:47,700 they have noted no significant challenges with that. 120 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:56,420 You may also have noted in the staff report there has been a trend towards more dog friendly 121 00:07:56,420 --> 00:07:57,040 laws. 122 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:05,820 One of note was Assembly Bill 1965 which was signed and that one is a state law that 123 00:08:05,820 --> 00:08:12,760 basically makes it lawful for an individual to bring an animal or a dog with them to 124 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:17,620 a restaurant provided that restaurant is accessed only via an outdoor dining area. 125 00:08:18,020 --> 00:08:23,780 That would be subject, however, to local control and that piece is allowable at this point 126 00:08:23,780 --> 00:08:27,700 we don't have any particular ordinance that would prohibit that. 127 00:08:29,500 --> 00:08:33,700 The purpose of the staff report was to first provide a little bit of history on issue and 128 00:08:33,700 --> 00:08:40,520 secondly allow City Council to discuss the issue and if you so choose to move forward with 129 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,280 first reading of the ordinance. In that particular ordinance, what it would do is actually 130 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:49,580 rescind one specific section of our current municipal code, which is the portion that 131 00:08:49,580 --> 00:08:57,660 says dogs are not allowed within the events. And by doing so, dogs would be allowed within 132 00:08:57,660 --> 00:09:02,300 special events provided that they are not leash. The current municipal code requires that 133 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:07,980 the leash is a substantial leash not to exceed six feet. And then there's also a provision 134 00:09:07,980 --> 00:09:15,140 within the current municipal code that would remain, which allows enforcement for animals 135 00:09:15,140 --> 00:09:20,140 that are to quote the municipal code, annoying, harassing, nipping, mulling, or biting any 136 00:09:20,140 --> 00:09:26,280 person, it would provide enforcement latitude for the owners or person in charge of such 137 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:31,140 a dog to be removed from the event and up to citation for such a nuisance. 138 00:09:31,980 --> 00:09:34,340 So with that, I'll turn it over to you folks. 139 00:09:35,260 --> 00:09:36,100 Thanks, Alex. 140 00:09:37,060 --> 00:09:38,720 Any questions or staff? 141 00:09:40,020 --> 00:09:40,940 I have a question. 142 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:42,840 A legal question, actually. 143 00:09:42,980 --> 00:09:53,680 Does the city have any liability if we do change our ordinance and allow dogs at events if there is an altercation or if somebody has hurt, is part of an altercation involving a dog? 144 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:55,680 Does the city have any sort of legal liability? 145 00:09:55,680 --> 00:10:04,260 It depends on the facts, but simply removing a prohibition against having the dogs at a city sanctioned event would not per se increase the liability of the city. 146 00:10:05,580 --> 00:10:11,840 So if there's a city event and somebody gets bit by a dog, could the city be sued? 147 00:10:13,300 --> 00:10:21,680 I mean, someone could bring that suit, whether or not the city would be found liable there, would depend on the facts, and here just simply removing a prohibition, no. 148 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:28,940 The fact that the city sanctioned the event, and a dog bite happens there, would not, in and of itself, lead liability, no. 149 00:10:34,660 --> 00:10:41,500 So a lot of the events we do in downtown are done by a contracted nonprofit. 150 00:10:42,380 --> 00:10:44,760 Does that increase their liability at all? 151 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:45,560 It may. 152 00:10:46,060 --> 00:10:51,440 And usually the contracts between the city and the contractor are going to include insurance 153 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:52,840 provisions for this type of stuff. 154 00:10:52,980 --> 00:10:55,840 So they would likely be covered under their insurance policies. 155 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:02,320 It would be the party that would be maybe harmed, yeah. 156 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,960 Okay, just follow up then. 157 00:11:06,500 --> 00:11:09,680 Well, the follow up, the follow up then. 158 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,460 We'll just keep going right down the line. 159 00:11:12,820 --> 00:11:15,780 It's kind of an interesting conundrum because what you're saying is that we can allow it 160 00:11:15,780 --> 00:11:17,260 and yet they take the responsibility. 161 00:11:18,500 --> 00:11:18,860 Yes. 162 00:11:18,860 --> 00:11:18,980 Yes. 163 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:25,800 But isn't it usually a standard, especially for an outdoor event, isn't the insurance 164 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:30,820 liability usually covers that as a blanket or a number of other type of thing, or is 165 00:11:30,820 --> 00:11:37,860 specifically a dress and it's just a regular outdoor event insurance policy? 166 00:11:38,060 --> 00:11:41,500 Yeah, it's going to be a standard action admissions policy that's going to cover this and 167 00:11:41,500 --> 00:11:44,780 they will more likely go after the insurance company to the extension tab. 168 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:56,020 So a few years ago, we didn't allow dogs in parks, and we opened it up to Conn in Park, 169 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,920 with a sugar end to some people, and excitement to others. 170 00:12:01,380 --> 00:12:03,720 Have we had any real issues out there with dogs? 171 00:12:05,020 --> 00:12:09,180 We have restricted areas, but are we having any nuisance problems of bites? 172 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:14,040 Well, particularly, you have the dog park area of Conn in Park, which is a designated area. 173 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:19,500 If all the walking trails and through where we had the bot dog park, we were allowed dogs in the park. 174 00:12:19,780 --> 00:12:26,380 Yeah, from the police department standpoint, we have none that have really arisen to our level. 175 00:12:26,580 --> 00:12:31,020 I have seen animal control go out there from time to time, but usually they're on routine patrols and checking. 176 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,760 They don't get too many calls related to specific dog incidents in the park. 177 00:12:37,270 --> 00:12:38,350 What about licensing? 178 00:12:39,010 --> 00:12:43,850 I mean, because people come into our events from in the county or other areas. 179 00:12:43,850 --> 00:12:47,070 I mean, city residents is different than somebody coming from the county. 180 00:12:50,060 --> 00:12:57,600 If there was an animal inside the special event that was a city resident's animal that 181 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,980 lived within the city, and it was unlicensed, then there's an issue with the dog being 182 00:13:01,980 --> 00:13:02,600 unlicensed. 183 00:13:02,740 --> 00:13:07,380 But someone visiting, I'm not sure that there's a provision that they have to have a special 184 00:13:07,380 --> 00:13:09,200 license to visit the city. 185 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:14,240 Is there, I mean, typically, you know, you're looking for radio shots and things of that nature. 186 00:13:14,860 --> 00:13:21,380 I mean, do other cities have that and that type of thing in their ordinance where it's saying you can bring dogs 187 00:13:21,380 --> 00:13:23,960 They're not necessarily licensed, but you still have to have proof of your 188 00:13:24,680 --> 00:13:28,320 Yeah, I didn't see that in the research, but it's good question. I can get back to you on it. Yeah 189 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,080 Any other questions? 190 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,540 I got a question. When did we initially 191 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,140 Prohibit dogs for the city and why? 192 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:52,520 I do some research with you, Monteno, and before or when she originally was on the City Council. 193 00:13:55,260 --> 00:13:56,220 Early 90s. 194 00:13:56,300 --> 00:13:57,080 Early 90s. 195 00:13:57,180 --> 00:14:04,400 Prior to that, there was in the downtown of that, I believe, this Cornish Christmas, based 196 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,840 on the story as she told it to me. 197 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:15,580 And there was a little event and a kid had some kind of treatment, and he said, I'm going 198 00:14:16,100 --> 00:14:17,920 for the treatment, but the kid in the face. 199 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:28,380 And so she wasn't involved in the ordinance, so it's prior to being on the council, but 200 00:14:28,980 --> 00:14:31,900 that's the story of that, right, right from deep. 201 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:34,040 Good? 202 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:34,620 Yes. 203 00:14:35,060 --> 00:14:35,680 It was, yeah. 204 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:36,420 It was driven. 205 00:14:36,420 --> 00:14:37,720 and altercation driven. 206 00:14:38,380 --> 00:14:42,400 All right, with that, I will open up a public hearing, 207 00:14:42,700 --> 00:14:44,020 so there's your opportunity to come down. 208 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:53,900 If we're being a little slow, 209 00:14:53,980 --> 00:14:55,200 they had a dental procedure. 210 00:14:55,820 --> 00:14:58,140 A good gap, anyone around the alley road? 211 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:28,440 I think we need to really consider whether we want to fix this ordinance, is it broken? Because the way I see it, we're getting a lot of risk. There will be a lot of dogs out there. And 99 or 100 dogs can be wonderful dogs. And the one bad dog will be the one dog that everyone will remember. That will be the one dog that gives you the headline, you know, kid gets beaten on Cornish Christmas. 212 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:37,400 there's a lot of safety shoes when you got a lot of dogs in a very very crowded area 213 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:45,420 this is not just walking the city streets on a normal day and add to that the fact that 214 00:15:45,420 --> 00:15:57,150 well dogs do what they do some of them you know will have their causal nature and most owners 215 00:15:57,150 --> 00:16:02,470 Those will pick up after other dogs, but the snow would still be there, it would still 216 00:16:02,470 --> 00:16:08,750 be an eye sore, and on things like Thursday night market we're talking about having 217 00:16:08,750 --> 00:16:12,910 it where there is food, so there's a public health issue might be. 218 00:16:15,950 --> 00:16:24,190 I think this ordinance really, unless there's a real good reason to change it, I don't see 219 00:16:24,190 --> 00:16:33,030 why? I mean responsible dog owners should be able to go to events even without their 220 00:16:33,030 --> 00:16:40,350 dogs. They're dogs. They're not, you know, they're, they're wallets. Actually, I want 221 00:16:40,350 --> 00:16:48,350 to do events without wallets too. So I'm just saying, you know, I think we might get 222 00:16:48,350 --> 00:16:53,330 a few more people that can't come because they can't find any solution for their dogs. 223 00:16:54,070 --> 00:17:00,350 but is it worth the risk? Is it worth the extra danger of, you know, just one bad dog. 224 00:17:00,970 --> 00:17:05,210 I mean, the million pit bulls didn't bite anyone yesterday, you know, he didn't hear about that. 225 00:17:05,850 --> 00:17:11,450 One of them does bite in suddenly national news. So, just something to think about. 226 00:17:12,650 --> 00:17:15,550 Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Gatt. Anybody else? 227 00:17:31,750 --> 00:17:36,530 Whitney Gatt, I live on Round Valley Road outside city limits, but I attend many events 228 00:17:36,530 --> 00:17:43,690 here inside of the city. I consider myself a local resident, I have service animals, 229 00:17:43,830 --> 00:17:50,910 I require them for my day-to-day life. And for me, I heard this ordinance and I was terrified. 230 00:17:51,710 --> 00:17:56,410 I mean, I have a hard enough time going to one of these events and finding someone and 231 00:17:56,410 --> 00:18:01,170 saying, you know what, that person's walking around a couple of dogs on a piece of bailing 232 00:18:01,170 --> 00:18:05,330 twine and they just tried to eat me and I have to find someone just to have dogs removed 233 00:18:05,330 --> 00:18:07,410 that aren't supposed to be there anyway. 234 00:18:07,890 --> 00:18:15,410 Let alone having the streets full of people and then full of dogs that maybe aren't licensed 235 00:18:15,410 --> 00:18:20,190 may not be vaccinated, maybe aren't under reasonable control. 236 00:18:21,110 --> 00:18:36,470 And I find that a horrifying thought, not just for myself, but what if a parent has a small child or someone with special needs and they go up, oh look at the pretty dog and the owners don't touch my dog, the kid touches it anyway. 237 00:18:36,950 --> 00:18:45,370 They lose a hand, or they have to spend the next three years doing extensive surgeries to save a body part. 238 00:18:53,310 --> 00:19:02,750 For me personally, it's, I would not attend a crowded event that only has crowds of 239 00:19:02,750 --> 00:19:08,330 people, but also it potentially has crowds of misbehaving dogs, even the best-behaved 240 00:19:08,330 --> 00:19:13,790 dog can't read a service dog vest that says, I'm a working dog, do not distract me. 241 00:19:14,570 --> 00:19:20,410 A dog isn't going to read that, the owner might, but what's the potential hazard for 242 00:19:20,410 --> 00:19:26,430 people who have seizure alert dogs, or diabetic alert dogs, or blindness dogs, or physical 243 00:19:26,430 --> 00:19:32,450 assistance dogs, and they require those animals for their day-to-day life, otherwise they 244 00:19:32,450 --> 00:19:36,350 possibly, in many ways, are unable to function. 245 00:19:37,970 --> 00:19:44,430 And their dog, their working dog, their lifeline, I mean, this is like someone carrying around 246 00:19:44,430 --> 00:19:45,290 an oxygen can. 247 00:19:45,670 --> 00:19:46,990 They have to have that animal. 248 00:19:48,090 --> 00:19:50,770 And someone walks by and they have a brand new puppy. 249 00:19:51,310 --> 00:19:55,230 All my puppies nice, my puppies nice, but it's too late. 250 00:19:55,410 --> 00:19:58,010 At that point, that service animal has been distracted. 251 00:19:58,990 --> 00:20:02,510 They have lost concentration on what their work is. 252 00:20:03,990 --> 00:20:06,730 And you're dealing with a crowded space anyway. 253 00:20:06,970 --> 00:20:10,250 So that dog is already in overdrive. 254 00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:12,670 They are 100% committed to what they're doing. 255 00:20:12,670 --> 00:20:21,130 That one more thing could be the potential for someone having a seizure and falling. 256 00:20:22,290 --> 00:20:29,490 Someone in my position having a severe panic reaction needing to be hospitalized because their heart has gone into it. 257 00:20:30,130 --> 00:20:30,970 A taxi? 258 00:20:31,710 --> 00:20:32,150 And with me. 259 00:20:33,270 --> 00:20:40,410 Or some of the diabetes has had their blood sugar drop or go too high. 260 00:20:40,410 --> 00:20:47,610 I mean, these are issues that, to me, are very personal and it's quite a 261 00:20:49,820 --> 00:20:51,460 worrisome 262 00:20:54,660 --> 00:20:57,560 proposal 263 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:03,800 that, for me and other people in this community that do have registered service animals 264 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:10,900 and we have spent years training these animals to be at the very peak of their performance. 265 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:16,740 Having these animals not being able to function and do their jobs in a space where they should 266 00:21:16,740 --> 00:21:18,840 be allowed to is not acceptable. 267 00:21:20,220 --> 00:21:21,420 Thank you very much. 268 00:21:21,420 --> 00:21:22,680 I appreciate your time. 269 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:23,360 Thank you. 270 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:23,720 Is it good? 271 00:21:24,980 --> 00:21:25,980 Anybody else? 272 00:21:29,780 --> 00:21:30,380 You stayed. 273 00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:43,370 Well, you and Rob Katzenstein, downtown Grass Valley, I'm glad I stayed because I am in 274 00:21:43,370 --> 00:21:53,390 It's part of the ordinance, and I respect the former speakers' opinions, and I'd like to 275 00:21:53,390 --> 00:22:02,980 just state that responsible dog owners should recognize the needs of service animals 276 00:22:02,980 --> 00:22:05,640 and keep their dogs away from service animals. 277 00:22:06,100 --> 00:22:12,220 And I thought service animals were pretty much trained to ignore other dogs, and I would 278 00:22:12,220 --> 00:22:20,880 hope that would be the case. I don't mean to, I hope this ordinance won't prevent 279 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:28,800 that I'm from coming. As I see it, this ordinance is a way to not discriminate against 280 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:35,960 dog owners. And it seems to be working fairly well, or very well, in Nevada City. I've 281 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:41,160 been to two of the Wednesday night, hot summer nights, things in Nevada City with my dog. 282 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:51,180 and basically the dogs get along, the people get along with the dogs. I've never seen a dog acting hostile to her. 283 00:22:51,380 --> 00:22:59,960 Apparently, this thing seems like it's true and trucky from what the police sergeant has said. 284 00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:07,560 And so without the sort of evidence that dogs are running the market, the markets, I mean, 285 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:13,260 from the current, this summer, it seems like people are running more on market, the markets, 286 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,120 based on the arrests that have been done. 287 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:21,160 And so why, why prosecute dog owners? 288 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,020 I see more problems with the people than the dogs. 289 00:23:26,020 --> 00:23:33,940 I want to speak about one thing. Also, in the ordinance, there's something about the dogs not being tied up. 290 00:23:34,860 --> 00:23:40,680 Article B is dogs not to be tied up in public right of ways. And I move, is the sidewalk a public right of way? 291 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:50,640 Okay. I mean, fortunately, like, lazy dog has an entrance to their store where you can tie the dog up to the bench where there's a water bowl. 292 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:57,360 And it's not in the public right away if I'm correct, which is what I'd like to do in order to get an ice cream when I'm there. 293 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:06,360 Unfortunately, culture shock across the street doesn't have any kind of vestibule, so I guess I have to go to lazy dog instead of culture shock. 294 00:24:06,580 --> 00:24:19,450 But I mean, it's not a big deal, but I sort of feel like tying a dog up on a strong leash to a signpost is a reasonable control of an animal while you go and 295 00:24:19,450 --> 00:24:28,190 to say a story about something and I do respect her needs, but I really feel like the needs 296 00:24:28,190 --> 00:24:32,910 of dog owners and respectful dog owners should be allowed at the market because they 297 00:24:32,910 --> 00:24:33,530 are other places. 298 00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:35,270 Thank you. 299 00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:35,990 Thank you. 300 00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:38,150 Anybody else? 301 00:24:40,030 --> 00:24:40,710 Let's see. 302 00:24:40,990 --> 00:24:44,430 None will bring up that account for any other questions, discussion. 303 00:24:45,050 --> 00:24:50,950 I would like to request something since you brought it up about the issue with the Downtown 304 00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:54,850 Association potentially having some liability since they're the ones who sponsor the event. 305 00:24:55,530 --> 00:24:59,590 I would ask that we would continue this item and give them the opportunity to really look 306 00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:59,870 at it. 307 00:24:59,890 --> 00:25:03,950 And fortunately, I was not able to get them information until late this afternoon. 308 00:25:04,330 --> 00:25:11,450 So if we could have them look at it and maybe weigh in on it and see what their take is 309 00:25:11,450 --> 00:25:12,170 on the whole day. 310 00:25:12,170 --> 00:25:18,850 And then also for them to contact their insurance company to find out what the liability issues to them might be. 311 00:25:19,270 --> 00:25:22,510 So before we do a first meeting, maybe get a little bit more information. 312 00:25:22,910 --> 00:25:27,490 And maybe check into that, the vaccination issues with other places. 313 00:25:27,710 --> 00:25:38,010 I do believe some of the state parks or some of the other, there is some sort of requirement there. 314 00:25:38,370 --> 00:25:39,090 I'll research that. 315 00:25:40,810 --> 00:25:47,390 Do you want to make a motion on the second item? 316 00:25:47,390 --> 00:25:54,090 I would move that we continue this item to, can we do for the first meeting in September, 317 00:25:54,530 --> 00:25:55,190 30 days? 318 00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:55,750 Okay. 319 00:25:55,930 --> 00:25:56,410 Second. 320 00:25:57,290 --> 00:25:58,090 We have first and second. 321 00:25:58,650 --> 00:25:59,670 A little bit of local. 322 00:25:59,730 --> 00:26:00,890 Not a local of this. 323 00:26:01,130 --> 00:26:01,670 All in favor? 324 00:26:02,130 --> 00:26:02,350 No. 325 00:26:02,830 --> 00:26:03,210 Any further? 326 00:26:03,690 --> 00:26:03,810 No. 327 00:26:04,390 --> 00:26:04,950 All right. 328 00:26:05,050 --> 00:26:06,090 Item 2B continued. 329 00:26:06,890 --> 00:26:07,290 Yes. 330 00:26:07,410 --> 00:26:08,750 To the first meeting in September. 331 00:26:09,690 --> 00:26:09,990 Okay. 332 00:26:10,810 --> 00:26:11,150 All right. 333 00:26:11,270 --> 00:26:11,810 Thanks, Alex. 334 00:26:13,290 --> 00:26:14,250 Thank you. 335 00:26:14,690 --> 00:26:15,510 We have next. 336 00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:16,610 He's an excellent job. 337 00:26:18,730 --> 00:26:19,690 All right. 338 00:26:22,610 --> 00:26:33,450 I want to remind the last biopsycho pertaining to smoking in public areas, good evening, 339 00:26:34,190 --> 00:26:34,730 Councilmembers. 340 00:26:34,890 --> 00:26:35,590 My name is Dan Cameron. 341 00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:36,910 I'm a sergeant with your police department. 342 00:26:37,710 --> 00:26:42,410 You have in front of you a staff report regarding mending the smoking board it's for downtown. 343 00:26:48,670 --> 00:26:55,450 In that time, we've identified some issues that need to be strengthened within the ordinance 344 00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:57,390 in order to make it more effective. 345 00:26:59,110 --> 00:27:06,810 Those issues range from identifying EC rates and vapour pens as smoking as well. 346 00:27:07,650 --> 00:27:13,910 Recently, there was a report out by the California Department of Public Health, defining ECGIT's 347 00:27:13,910 --> 00:27:18,450 as, I'm sorry, they issued a health advisory and a new ECG report. 348 00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:22,230 Some of the highlights of that report include explosion and make a team doing adolescents 349 00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:23,470 can harm brain development. 350 00:27:24,390 --> 00:27:30,670 They say ECGIT's did not emit a harmless water vapor as kind of advertised, but an aerosol 351 00:27:30,670 --> 00:27:34,830 that has been found to contain at least 10 chemicals that are on California's proposition 352 00:27:34,830 --> 00:27:38,910 and 65 list of chemicals in order to cause cancer, but it affects another reproductive 353 00:27:38,910 --> 00:27:39,270 harm. 354 00:27:41,930 --> 00:27:45,210 On another note, there's another issue that are popping up with regards to concerns 355 00:27:45,210 --> 00:27:45,990 with law enforcement. 356 00:27:46,590 --> 00:27:51,950 Some of the EC rates and baby parents are being modified to use illegal narcotics. 357 00:27:54,050 --> 00:27:58,630 Methanphetamine has been found to be used in some of them as well as the THC oils. 358 00:27:59,310 --> 00:28:02,730 This poses a risk because if it lives in the downtown area, not only is there a risk 359 00:28:02,730 --> 00:28:05,790 to the nicotine, which is kind of the purpose of the whole audience in the beginning. 360 00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:11,470 But also, you could potentially have people walk around the downtown core or smoking legal 361 00:28:11,470 --> 00:28:11,910 narcotics. 362 00:28:12,390 --> 00:28:15,310 And the law enforcement has no way to tell because it's coming out of a vapor pan. 363 00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:18,810 That's one of the issues they need to be addressed. 364 00:28:19,450 --> 00:28:23,730 Some of the others, the other two, have to deal with the boundaries within the downtown core. 365 00:28:24,430 --> 00:28:28,230 As you can see in the antennae, Gamma, they put up a map that is kind of flashing back 366 00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:33,650 second-fourth to propose new boundaries so you can see it now for a few seconds before it leaves us. 367 00:28:36,790 --> 00:28:41,970 We want to expand a little bit about a block here and there. 368 00:28:42,530 --> 00:28:43,730 So I'm going to leave you the proposed bill. 369 00:28:44,330 --> 00:28:48,750 The downtown course, no smoking boundary, excuse me, should be expanded to the following. 370 00:28:49,330 --> 00:28:54,530 To find his West Main Street, to South School Street, to East Main Street, to Bennett Street, 371 00:28:54,530 --> 00:28:59,790 to Timoi Street, to Nielstreet, to South Church Street, to us Main Street. 372 00:29:00,430 --> 00:29:05,330 The boundaries also include military from Nielstreet to the Western Entrance Exit of the 373 00:29:05,330 --> 00:29:11,430 Safe and Shopping Center and the public sidewalks on both sides of the permanent boundary streets 374 00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:12,270 are included as well. 375 00:29:13,450 --> 00:29:17,050 We've recommended this in order to help law enforcement and people in general 376 00:29:17,050 --> 00:29:40,510 But I identify what the boundaries are, we've requested the expansion up, basically a block up West Main Street to include the center for the arts, and then expanded out on military to the entrance of the safe way to kind of get the crowd that hangs out around that section out a little further so they're not all humbled up, still kind of affecting the downtown core. 377 00:29:42,270 --> 00:29:47,090 Also with regards to that, we've noticed some mix-and-cranies that people have been able 378 00:29:47,090 --> 00:29:52,190 to hide in within the downtown core that we want to rectify by adding the following. 379 00:29:52,750 --> 00:29:57,410 Smoking is prohibited within 20 feet of all business doors and offerable windows that are 380 00:29:57,410 --> 00:29:59,830 open the public, including those on private property. 381 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,320 somebody within the downtown core. Also, it should be in private area, adjacent to within 382 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:12,240 20 feet of a public street or public sidewalk. This gives root of all the mix and cragny's 383 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,560 within the downtown core that people can step off the sidewalk. For example, way into 384 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,700 the Nevada club, the little oncove there, where a police can go out, you're not smoking and 385 00:30:21,700 --> 00:30:23,600 and we've had a step the other way up, now you're okay. 386 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,700 So this will, better clarify for law enforcement 387 00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:30,640 as well as the citizens if within the data 388 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,660 or whether it can and cannot be. 389 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:34,380 Thank you. 390 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:36,000 Thank you. 391 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:37,260 Questions? 392 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:38,160 Yeah? 393 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:38,660 Nope. 394 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:39,320 Okay. 395 00:30:39,980 --> 00:30:40,940 I got a couple questions. 396 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,500 And, so we should have found out the 20, 397 00:30:44,660 --> 00:30:45,220 because there's a, there's a, 398 00:30:45,340 --> 00:30:45,780 there's a, there's a, 399 00:30:45,780 --> 00:30:45,980 there's a, 400 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:46,060 there's a, 401 00:30:46,060 --> 00:30:46,140 there's a, 402 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:50,320 there's a, 403 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:56,140 So, I think this will enable you to sneak back into that, so that's a little bit of that 404 00:30:56,140 --> 00:30:59,640 20, so they're pushing people back towards, on the back of the other house hall. 405 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:00,980 I think you guys know what I'm talking about. 406 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,040 I'd have to see it. 407 00:31:04,260 --> 00:31:04,680 Sorry. 408 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,820 It's in between, I guess, the tattoo place and... 409 00:31:07,820 --> 00:31:09,360 There's a little park, there's a little park. 410 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,560 The parking spots back there. 411 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,020 Yeah, but that's included in the new area. 412 00:31:13,340 --> 00:31:14,280 Yeah, it's a 20 feet. 413 00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:19,540 It's a deep parking lot, so they can actually smoke further back into the... 414 00:31:19,540 --> 00:31:20,040 That would be good. 415 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:21,700 Well, you're in the district. 416 00:31:22,380 --> 00:31:24,460 Yeah, so it's the private property. 417 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:25,200 It doesn't matter. 418 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,060 It's 20 feet, there's an entrance there. 419 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:28,960 So it's 20 feet from any entrance. 420 00:31:31,660 --> 00:31:35,260 And that's what they're saying whether it's private property or not. 421 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,720 Well, all of it. 422 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:39,440 And I didn't mean to say that. 423 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:46,780 And the space behind the robotics club, the flower shop, all of that. 424 00:31:46,780 --> 00:31:52,920 also kind of with regards in the Valley Club that would be actually outside of the downtown 425 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:58,740 boundary ends up on East Main Street on the sidewalks on both sides. So behind in the 426 00:31:58,740 --> 00:32:03,760 Valley Club would be outside of that area. The Alcove in the front would be within included 427 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,320 within this recommendations. 428 00:32:05,820 --> 00:32:07,380 This would be the Richardson Street. 429 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,200 One of the challenging areas is for example up and down Mill Street you have a lot of businesses 430 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:17,860 where the storefront is actually set back from the city sidewalk easement and so those areas 431 00:32:17,860 --> 00:32:23,360 under the new proposed ordinance that sort of Kimbera mentioned would actually become areas 432 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,500 contained within the no smoking area. Do you guys hear the toothpaste effect? We're kind of 433 00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:32,240 pushing people out and they can just, you know, we push people out, people not smoking in front of folks. 434 00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:40,240 We're pushing them to residential areas and I think this sends a clear message that we just don't want 435 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:46,480 people smoking downtown because every single day you can go to any of the areas that 436 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:51,920 already are no smoking and see people smoking. And I think that if it's truly the city's 437 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:59,460 desire to have our downtown be smoke free and we just have to be vigilant about the proposals 438 00:32:59,460 --> 00:33:05,140 that we put forward for something like this and enforcing it and really not just law enforcement 439 00:33:05,140 --> 00:33:13,120 enforcement enforcing it but also the downtown business owners really, you know, trying to explain to people that it's not okay to smoke there. 440 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:23,040 I mean, I know that I'm one of those businesses that has private property on to the sidewalk and we do not allow people to smoke there. 441 00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:29,280 If somebody is smoking in our alcove, we kindly ask them to, you know, actually say downtown is no smoking. 442 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,820 You're welcome to sit here, but you need to put your cigarette out. 443 00:33:31,820 --> 00:33:34,300 and those people are fairly fairly respectful. 444 00:33:35,620 --> 00:33:37,780 Yes, that's exactly how I did it. 445 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,780 We'll pass over the card with how it works today. 446 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,220 The further down the street you go, 447 00:33:43,740 --> 00:33:45,720 the less nice people are about it. 448 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,660 But I just think that it's a public relations campaign. 449 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,480 It's a program to really say that we 450 00:33:52,940 --> 00:33:54,260 don't want people smoking downtown. 451 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,760 And I think this is a great way to do it. 452 00:33:58,140 --> 00:34:01,060 And it will also eliminate those people who work downtown 453 00:34:01,060 --> 00:34:06,480 who smoke, who you know are in the backs of buildings like what you're talking about 454 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,840 and it will eliminate that too and so we're going to have to really educate the business 455 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:14,360 owners as to what this means to them and again I'm not sure if the downtown association 456 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:19,700 was noticed on this item but it's something that they could certainly educate their merchants 457 00:34:19,700 --> 00:34:20,080 about. 458 00:34:20,380 --> 00:34:26,700 We're not really adding a little bit of larger space and I know for example it would eliminate 459 00:34:26,700 --> 00:34:35,240 the people who smoked behind my building that work at the adjacent business because they'd still they would they would be 20 feet from an entrance. 460 00:34:38,180 --> 00:34:42,500 But they're on the back side so they're just more hidden. 461 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,200 So I think this is great and I think it's needed. 462 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,520 How are you going to enforce it? It's not being enforced now. What are you going to do different? 463 00:34:54,700 --> 00:35:01,040 Well, we, I would argue that we are enforcing it, we've since inception, we've written over 464 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,480 30 citations, which is now up, we've made a lot of context, and our goal has been more 465 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:06,360 to educate people. 466 00:35:07,060 --> 00:35:11,820 It's not something we want to go out and just write citations to everybody and anybody. 467 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,240 We do have some other tools to each action, I know I brought my wife up here, we don't 468 00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:23,280 live in town, and she does smoke, and she had no idea, she lights up, and I would, you 469 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:28,480 know, would appreciate somebody giving, no, no, I got in trouble for telling her she couldn't smoke. 470 00:35:29,100 --> 00:35:35,020 For that, you know, I would appreciate a warning, you know, and someone educating her rather than do somebody writing her citation, 471 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:41,880 which is the, what we've been trying to do on the ones that we've gotten is, you know, recognize the offenders we've tried to cite. 472 00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:47,860 But we would ask for some patients in and trying to come up with a better plan to make infertility more educating a little more. 473 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,220 So it's going to be a process. 474 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:56,300 I was going to talk to a public hearing because on a couple of comments I'd like to make 475 00:35:56,300 --> 00:35:57,820 it this public hearing too, right? 476 00:35:58,380 --> 00:36:07,760 Yeah, so to that point, the fewer people we have smoking and keeping moving it down to 477 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:13,380 the fewer and fewer people by educating or moving them will are doing the right thing. 478 00:36:13,380 --> 00:36:19,140 I really, really address, I really commend you on adding EC2Fs to this, because the 479 00:36:19,140 --> 00:36:24,920 noxious chemicals that are in the afterburn of EC2Fs include from Alive, Benzin, 480 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:31,640 Nitro-Summers and things like that, which I'm not denying materials, along with what 481 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:38,660 you're encountering with nephanelines and other drug-nub related usages. 482 00:36:38,660 --> 00:36:47,560 So, I really do appreciate the incorporation of e-cigarettes in this district, and I would 483 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:57,000 really hope that when we get out the way about e-cigarettes and that they're not the nine 484 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:09,040 instrument that they are set up to be there, their kid catchers and their anecdotes of 485 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:15,300 the nicotine substance that is un-mahillated, and the real menace 486 00:37:19,110 --> 00:37:21,270 that we have, you're welcome. 487 00:37:21,590 --> 00:37:30,790 And the rest is for the open up the pedal kind of. I'll be short and sweet. I like that this closes up a lot of the 488 00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:38,570 business order. And this was one of the issues. So this solves the problem there. 489 00:37:39,690 --> 00:37:42,790 First of all, with this part of education. So thank you. 490 00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:48,830 Oh, with that said, we can open up the public hearing. So anybody has thoughts, comments? 491 00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:51,010 Come on down please take your name for a living. 492 00:37:53,620 --> 00:37:54,080 Mr. Mayor. 493 00:37:55,020 --> 00:37:57,080 Mr. Vice Mayor, Council Member, thank you. 494 00:37:57,700 --> 00:38:02,260 My name is Cliff Brown and I'm a resident of Gas Valley and I'm also here tonight. 495 00:38:02,260 --> 00:38:09,400 as President of the Board of Directors for NIO, and as you know, NIO is a local non-profit 496 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:14,940 that empowers all youth in Western Nevada County to make healthy lifestyle choices 497 00:38:15,260 --> 00:38:19,160 through fun, safe, and youth-led new events and opportunities. 498 00:38:20,180 --> 00:38:26,340 Every year we host about 70 events, many in downtown Las Valley, and we also open the youth 499 00:38:26,340 --> 00:38:27,340 center of this spring. 500 00:38:28,660 --> 00:38:32,060 I support this proposed ordinance for two important reasons. 501 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:39,820 First, our citizens benefit from consistent, clear and logical rules for smoking in public. 502 00:38:41,100 --> 00:38:51,020 Second, the existing code implies by a mission that e-sigs or vapor devices are somehow better or healthier since they are allowed. 503 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,800 Our youth, in particular, and our community in general need to understand the health 504 00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:02,100 risks of any kind of smoking, including vaping, tobacco or drug use. 505 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,100 I encourage you to approve this ordinance. 506 00:39:04,780 --> 00:39:05,000 Thank you. 507 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:05,560 Thank you. 508 00:39:14,740 --> 00:39:15,220 Hi, Brian. 509 00:39:15,340 --> 00:39:17,120 I live on one of the few drives in the world of city. 510 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:24,820 I also fully support the citizens and I'm so thrilled that you guys are all involved with it. 511 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:34,040 I know I've had a city and I've got some little plaques that they're putting in store in those 512 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:39,380 because quite often the sign is so far away people can see them. 513 00:39:39,700 --> 00:39:42,340 So yeah, I suggest you spell those in there. 514 00:39:43,380 --> 00:39:49,820 And I really appreciate these things being added to that because we don't have any kids smoking. 515 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:50,420 Thank you. 516 00:39:50,860 --> 00:39:51,200 Thanks, Rob. 517 00:39:55,420 --> 00:39:58,640 I'll bring it back to Candle. 518 00:39:59,340 --> 00:40:03,160 So, it's real quick. 519 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:11,620 I met last week with the director of the tobacco free coalition, 520 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,520 he was a county employee, Shannon, and she's doing, 521 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:20,560 they're doing some surveying right now of elected officials to find out if they 522 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:26,780 has support to bring forward an ordinance that or some language to an updated ordinance, 523 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,200 which I think you cover a lot of what I talk with her about, but it speaks specifically 524 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:38,040 to the e-figures, to the and the little cigars, because apparently there is no legislation 525 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:43,580 that you can buy the little cigars as singles, and they're flavoring them, and they're brightly 526 00:40:43,580 --> 00:40:48,280 packaging them, and they're really parking them towards teens, and so they're looking 527 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,480 to figure out a way locally to incorporate some of the regulatory process. 528 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,540 I think very much so with what you guys have done, and they're supporting that. 529 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:59,800 They're actually, she'll probably contact a few of you as well, and she's just gathering 530 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,680 the data right now, but they're showing that through some of the survey, they've done 531 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:08,400 a lot of schools that kids are buying into those products because of how they're marketing 532 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:08,820 to them. 533 00:41:08,940 --> 00:41:11,480 So, I appreciate us being really proactive on this. 534 00:41:12,180 --> 00:41:18,300 I think that, you know, I know our smoking ordinance includes smoking anything downtown, 535 00:41:18,620 --> 00:41:20,060 including marijuana, is that correct? 536 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:28,900 So, yeah, I mean, it needs to get the message out there that we are smoke-free. 537 00:41:29,580 --> 00:41:30,880 Downtown, if not for community. 538 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:37,880 For my perspective, this is just, I think the modification of human behavior happens through 539 00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:43,680 But for my perspective, this is just about making grass 540 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:49,240 battery a better place for families to come down to and people to enjoy and just 541 00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:54,200 not have that whole stigma of people hanging out from a bar or smoking cigarettes and 542 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:59,640 you're walking your children down, you know, I don't judge people with smoke, I don't care 543 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,980 about changing their behavior, they can go do what they want to do, but just make 544 00:42:03,980 --> 00:42:07,680 I think that's a very great place for people to come down and enjoy, and I think this 545 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:08,980 is just as bad. 546 00:42:09,420 --> 00:42:09,520 I agree. 547 00:42:10,620 --> 00:42:17,000 So, just a couple more things about E-Series, from 2015 to 2014, there's a hundred percent 548 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:31,040 increase in youth labor, it's tragic, and preliminary study shows after effects of maybe equal 549 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:38,040 to smoking a regular tobacco cigarette. So it is one other part that I think when you 550 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:47,760 say that, Jason, I say parts. And I would love to see the way it's come back. When 551 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:53,640 you've picked up thousands of cigarettes that's both in downtown and in parts, that if 552 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:59,320 we want parts to be found new friendly, that they are no longer a paving for cigarettes 553 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:08,340 smokers. They're all vapors and they are eliminated as part of our radio ordinance. I want to get this 554 00:43:08,340 --> 00:43:14,180 move through and allow everyone to come back for parks, which we would please. Specific to parks. 555 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,500 I thought our parks weren't on smoking. I thought so too. 556 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:22,960 That's a two. But within the parks section, the municipal court and there's somehow designated smoking area, 557 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:23,740 Is there something on it? 558 00:43:23,980 --> 00:43:24,140 No. 559 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,080 We're moving regardless of the smoke. 560 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,100 The other car's not designated yet. 561 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,200 That's information. 562 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:38,820 I think now, we need to make sure that it's weren't 563 00:43:38,820 --> 00:43:43,320 and that the ordinance is sustained without it, 564 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:44,900 but it was just for fire. 565 00:43:46,180 --> 00:43:49,060 So Mr. Mayor, I would make a motion that we 566 00:43:49,060 --> 00:43:51,480 approve the ordinance to amend Grass Valley Municipal Code 567 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:57,380 Section 8.2.0-3.0 and 8.2.1-3.0 depending on the smoking. 568 00:43:58,180 --> 00:43:58,400 Second. 569 00:43:59,300 --> 00:43:59,640 All right. 570 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:00,640 Christie, would you lift the announcement? 571 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:01,940 That's the regular. 572 00:44:02,620 --> 00:44:02,920 Yes. 573 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:04,140 Don't you have a barbell? 574 00:44:04,460 --> 00:44:04,600 Yes. 575 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:05,720 That's the regular. 576 00:44:06,540 --> 00:44:07,020 That's the regular. 577 00:44:07,020 --> 00:44:07,220 That's the regular. 578 00:44:07,460 --> 00:44:07,740 Yes. 579 00:44:08,340 --> 00:44:09,320 Don't you want to just wipe out? 580 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:09,580 Yes. 581 00:44:10,260 --> 00:44:10,680 Airfoil. 582 00:44:10,860 --> 00:44:11,040 Yes. 583 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:12,480 Motion 30-0. 584 00:44:12,820 --> 00:44:13,140 Terrific. 585 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:14,340 Thank you, Christie. 586 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:15,100 Okay. 587 00:44:15,500 --> 00:44:18,620 Last time on the agenda, I'm briefly first by Council members. 588 00:44:20,730 --> 00:44:21,490 Yes, good. 589 00:44:21,830 --> 00:44:22,070 Okay. 590 00:44:22,070 --> 00:44:29,050 So Colin, I have it on my list to make sure you don't make it. 591 00:44:29,710 --> 00:44:30,730 Did you bring the video? 592 00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:31,790 I did it. 593 00:44:32,310 --> 00:44:32,450 I will. 594 00:44:33,850 --> 00:44:34,230 I will. 595 00:44:34,510 --> 00:44:35,890 I have the video. 596 00:44:36,190 --> 00:44:37,110 So thank you so much. 597 00:44:37,290 --> 00:44:37,570 Thank you. 598 00:44:38,430 --> 00:44:38,750 Thank you. 599 00:44:39,090 --> 00:44:40,070 Thank you. 600 00:44:41,290 --> 00:44:41,350 Thank you. 601 00:44:41,350 --> 00:44:41,730 Thank you. 602 00:44:41,730 --> 00:44:42,510 Thank you for your bosses. 603 00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:43,710 Thank you. 604 00:44:45,110 --> 00:44:50,970 Anyway, on August 22nd, we have a fabulous fundraiser in our community for the Center for the Arts 605 00:44:50,970 --> 00:44:56,430 It's called Dancing With Our Stars and Colin Nelson and Colin Nelson and Colin Nelson 606 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:19,220 We're going to set up out there, and he is one of the dancers. So we're very proud of him, and I saw him with us the other day. There's a video. Police, the press, L.E.P. art, thanks for having me. And I know that you're going to win, and I'm here. I'm here very, very, very happy supporting you for dancing with our stars. I wish you the best. And thank you so much. 607 00:45:19,220 --> 00:45:22,740 You know, the Center for the Arts is a great place for the community. 608 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:28,700 My daughter, first dancer, and so when I was asked to do it, they've always been around 609 00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:29,240 for the community. 610 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:30,820 Glad that I get to be a star. 611 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,420 I get to represent the city of Grass Valley and the police department and hopefully I'll 612 00:45:35,420 --> 00:45:35,520 win. 613 00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:42,100 Okay, and my number two dance is going to kill it, so anyone is interested in actually attending 614 00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:42,820 biotech. 615 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:48,140 It's now that you want to donate to any one of the members who are participating. 616 00:45:48,140 --> 00:45:53,380 If you just go to Razu.com and then you go to look up center of the arts dancing with our 617 00:45:53,380 --> 00:46:01,100 our stars there's what ten other contestants any one of them if you want to donate 618 00:46:01,100 --> 00:46:04,960 to the cause of everything helps and call when you say anybody you really mean just you. 619 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,020 I don't know if they're going to do that. 620 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,540 Collins primary is so much revenue this year. 621 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,080 Oh, it's not so much. 622 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,120 Should somebody have the side? 623 00:46:17,500 --> 00:46:20,020 And much of an inequality should. 624 00:46:21,580 --> 00:46:23,500 And you know it's not going to happen. 625 00:46:23,740 --> 00:46:25,360 I mean, you have to tell me what that is. 626 00:46:25,620 --> 00:46:26,960 I really appreciate it. 627 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:31,920 So, thank you. 628 00:46:58,780 --> 00:46:59,820 Thank you. 629 00:47:00,420 --> 00:47:00,760 Thank you. 630 00:47:01,140 --> 00:47:04,720 Thank you so much. 631 00:47:04,740 --> 00:47:06,600 Thank you very much. 632 00:47:06,620 --> 00:47:06,860 So, thank you. 633 00:47:06,860 --> 00:47:13,520 terrific group. I did this stand on the history of the first event market in 634 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:19,160 music happening. I just had to dance with Keith. And I knew that. And there was 635 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:24,640 all of a sudden, yeah, it was just fabulous. So that was good. 636 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:30,840 Caroline, thank you all for your friends in the parks. And Leo, and please 637 00:47:33,100 --> 00:47:38,120 That was really fun, and that's something we can put together, God, I think if you're 638 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:44,740 willing to do it, we can really slam it in the future, it was great. 639 00:47:46,140 --> 00:47:50,860 The park, I guys, the work on the parks, looks so good, thanks, yeah. 640 00:47:55,620 --> 00:48:00,940 There's a neighborhood meeting on the street, that's a nice street, and that too, and about 641 00:48:00,940 --> 00:48:05,980 community. And one thing that I commanded these people for our 642 00:48:05,980 --> 00:48:09,540 race route is they get together, they talk about their problems, they're 643 00:48:09,540 --> 00:48:18,200 invited to police, and Sergeant Perry was there, and Joe Wish was there, and 644 00:48:18,940 --> 00:48:24,320 when the living people are trying to solve their problems and working with our 645 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:29,360 department and our people, it just makes it so much easier. So for people out 646 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:37,340 You know, Korea can't give you labels and a citizen can't give you, so it was great. 647 00:48:37,540 --> 00:48:40,300 And I think they really appreciated what they had. 648 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,060 That would represent, it was fun. 649 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,760 We talked about the future of youth programs. 650 00:48:48,540 --> 00:48:49,060 And 651 00:48:51,070 --> 00:48:52,610 I'm not going to have the time to monitor. 652 00:48:53,390 --> 00:48:53,430 Okay. 653 00:48:54,750 --> 00:48:56,350 You kind of did just by doing that. 654 00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:10,710 Well go to dancing with the stars, I'm going to watch Colin Shake it, look at Ferdinand. 655 00:49:12,610 --> 00:49:19,090 That last Fender's market was a blast, the Chief Mazzata Shake it too, that's work. 656 00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:30,710 I really missed out on a clarion that I looked for until next year and that local community 657 00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:31,390 was great. 658 00:49:31,470 --> 00:49:32,050 You said it all. 659 00:49:32,250 --> 00:49:33,530 I don't need to say anything else. 660 00:49:34,490 --> 00:49:36,050 That's because I did so many works. 661 00:49:36,510 --> 00:49:36,670 Yes. 662 00:49:38,550 --> 00:49:39,050 Thank you. 663 00:49:40,650 --> 00:49:41,010 Okay. 664 00:49:41,250 --> 00:49:42,410 I entered a national light out. 665 00:49:42,570 --> 00:49:42,910 Thank you. 666 00:49:43,050 --> 00:49:43,410 Thank you. 667 00:49:43,690 --> 00:49:44,070 Thank you. 668 00:49:44,290 --> 00:49:46,890 It's an annual event and I hope we will continue it. 669 00:49:46,890 --> 00:49:53,030 being an annual, but it was super successful. Thank you, friends of the park, who joined 670 00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:58,790 with you and everybody on the public's surface there, everybody, who came out. It was amazing 671 00:49:58,790 --> 00:50:04,870 to see that many kids having that much fun, getting color all over them. And the parents, 672 00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:12,710 too, I might add, it was great. Thank you guys for doing it. If a national event is done 673 00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:18,630 on the same night all over the country so I'm so happy that we were able to participate in it 674 00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:26,390 this year. I attended the Open House for Cal Trans about the highway 49 right away which 675 00:50:27,050 --> 00:50:34,990 it's kind of disappointing I would say I was expecting a more of a presentation on what the 676 00:50:34,990 --> 00:50:42,050 different options meant to people and it was more it was definitely an open house but they were 677 00:50:42,050 --> 00:50:46,950 A lot of attendance by the paper in the neighborhood of fact, so that was good. 678 00:50:48,050 --> 00:50:56,470 I attended, along with the mayor, and Tim and Trisha, the, I know, I do association 679 00:50:56,470 --> 00:51:05,030 on public works, something, American public works, something, public works, anyway, this 680 00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:12,030 is a transportation project of the year, and which is our second award for our, um, 681 00:51:12,030 --> 00:51:19,530 Darcy Drive which is supposed to show what cooperation and good work will do here in the city and I've once again 682 00:51:19,530 --> 00:51:23,010 It's so good to hear how we stocked it 683 00:51:24,750 --> 00:51:28,470 Trisha and Tim are amongst their their peers 684 00:51:28,930 --> 00:51:34,470 It really makes you feel good and proud to know that they represent your city and they work for you 685 00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:39,150 And I also missed off to the agenda the town hall for our congressman that will not that 686 00:51:39,870 --> 00:51:45,930 which was very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very few seats, I hope, and so, which was a successful for him as well. 687 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:48,560 Thank you, Jim. 688 00:51:50,020 --> 00:51:57,320 Yeah, I've come in a match on that out, as well, and I have to say that does that pressure, I mean, having, uh, soon to be seven, you know, 689 00:51:57,460 --> 00:52:00,020 because now he expects to add a color run, both the party. 690 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:02,100 Well, seven was having one. 691 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,700 Yeah, it's all a slash, some other thing, so, but thank you. 692 00:52:05,700 --> 00:52:07,960 I was absolutely impressed with it with the turnout. 693 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,140 It was really incredible. 694 00:52:10,180 --> 00:52:13,000 I mean, I really expected by 20 and 30 kids, 695 00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,040 and they had 100, well over 100 kids, 696 00:52:15,260 --> 00:52:16,280 so excellent jump there. 697 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,160 I'm giving a tour to City Hall 698 00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,480 to give you the Japanese exchange students, 699 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:22,900 which was a lot of fun. 700 00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:25,960 And there's not much to tour here in City Hall. 701 00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,320 So we really had to stretch any sort of excitement 702 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:30,880 for they could participate in the D.S. 703 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,080 and take a photo in that race. 704 00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:33,720 That was really big for them. 705 00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:39,420 We've been canceled in the town, and most of us are from the 10th to the mid-generation 706 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,020 was in the 2020. 707 00:52:42,220 --> 00:52:43,180 Future generations. 708 00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:44,060 25th anniversary. 709 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:44,380 25th anniversary. 710 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:44,920 25th anniversary. 711 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,020 That was a really nice event and congratulations to them. 712 00:52:48,780 --> 00:52:52,920 I was about to speak at the South County Library Club that was actually held here in Grass Valley. 713 00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,140 A good group of folks there. 714 00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:57,580 I did a 10th of discipline. 715 00:52:57,900 --> 00:52:58,740 Culture and meaning. 716 00:53:00,020 --> 00:53:03,480 I do appreciate the fact that they're reaching out. 717 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:09,580 But they're asking our public to give opinions and step without a discussion, I think, is problematic. 718 00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:17,980 And I see it in the words, certainly, and that Jen touched on was the fact of that. 719 00:53:18,420 --> 00:53:21,080 I was fortunate that I got to see the table with all the contractors. 720 00:53:21,820 --> 00:53:24,920 Tim would let me see what Jen, so he separated us. 721 00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:30,240 But after hearing a lot of different speakers speak and having true speak, 722 00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:37,660 Everybody at our table was just absolutely impressed. She was poetic to the point that was meaningful. 723 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:44,480 And I really just thought that was a lie. I was so proud of Trisha. I'm so proud to grasp on it for the project. 724 00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:55,080 But it was just really, really impressive. And it was just really nice to be aware of that meaning and have some of that Trisha speak up there. 725 00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:56,780 It really was a real proud moment. 726 00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,980 So I think we've been busy, and thank you, and thank you for all the groups that are coming together. 727 00:54:02,140 --> 00:54:06,920 I think some of the efforts of the Police Department is doing with our parks, the parks groups, 728 00:54:07,580 --> 00:54:09,620 and these neighborhood movement on the race street. 729 00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:15,060 I think these are perfect examples of what it takes to have an incredible community. 730 00:54:15,620 --> 00:54:19,320 It is not the fact that we're sitting behind this day as saying yes or no, one of them. 731 00:54:19,740 --> 00:54:26,000 A River Tuesday night is engagement from everybody out there, from my neighborhood to our parks to our law enforcement door staff. 732 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:32,800 And I cannot say, I'm not thank you, thank you, thank you, because you are the folks that are doing such an outstanding job for the community. 733 00:54:33,060 --> 00:54:33,760 So, thank you. 734 00:54:34,300 --> 00:54:36,400 And with that said, meeting adjourned.