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[1:07] actually
[1:17] I have three o'clock
a call to order the uh the special call
[1:23] meeting
which is a request
[1:28] of three board members
[1:33] um
today Thursday December the 1st
[1:38] okay
for the purpose of discussion of real
[1:43] estate tax
trash days
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um
[1:49] Mr Smith would you like to leave us a
notification okay
[1:57] thank you
[2:01] stating that they serve to our citizens
of Grayson County Branch should be worth
[2:06] it today in this special colony
thank you
[2:12] pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
[2:17] Republic for which he stands one nation
for under God indivisible with liberty
[2:32] and it's uh we'll go to the approval
agenda and consent agenda
[2:39] contrary entertain a motion to accept
the gymnastics
[2:43] okay
on the players
[2:55] to discuss for deferring penalties and
interest for non-payment of real estate
[3:01] taxes and trash fees
[3:10] yes uh Mr chairman a uh
emergency ordinance has been prepared
[3:19] the direction of our Academy attorney
and the board members has that for
[3:25] reviews and generation and
so
[3:30] it's like that
[3:35] on the item and then the importance of
it it would need to be ready
[3:41] that way at this time of consideration
thank you okay
[3:48] an ordinance to establish a different
accrual date for penalty and interest on
[3:52] the 2022 real estate real property taxes
and it's always ways to be due on
[3:58] December the 5th 2022 whereas the Board
of Supervisors of Grayson County
[4:04] Virginia and board recognizes the
hardships imposed on the citizens of the
[4:10] county as a result of the lingering
effects of covid-19
[4:15] pandemic supply chain disruptions and
high level of inflation and wishes to
[4:21] provide relief to citizens who may have
been negatively impacted by the current
[4:26] economic climate pan whereas the board
wishes to provide relief to Citizens by
[4:32] providing an ordinance with the
authority provided under the Virginia
[4:37] code 51
[4:41] 58.1-3916 penalty and interest will not
begin to accrue on any unpaid real
[4:47] property taxes for the tax year 2022
unless such taxes are unpaid as of
[4:54] February 1 2023 and whereas the board
recognizes that relate from penalty and
[5:02] interest in the current extraordinary
circumstances should not function to
[5:07] reward delinquencies from private year
to Prior years and therefore intends
[5:12] that can delayed accrual a penalty and
interest provided by this ordinance will
[5:17] only be effective for tax year 2022 and
whereas the Board of Supervisors desires
[5:24] to provide additional relief to the
public by extending the employee make
[5:29] profanity and renters for late payment
of the County's solid waste collection
[5:34] and Disposal fee which is collected
along with one of the taxes
[5:39] whereas the board wishes to adopt this
measure as an emergency ordinance to
[5:49] 15.2-41427 F of the code of Virginia
1950 as amended in order to put the
[5:58] contemplated relief into effect prior to
the previously established tax due date
[6:06] ordained by the Board of Supervisors of
Grayson County Virginia
[6:11] penalty and interest for real property
taxes for tax year 2022 as such funds
[6:18] and rates are otherwise established by
the ordinance or other measures here too
[6:23] for adopted shall accrue for the tax
year 2022 only on amounts remaining
[6:30] unpaid as of February 1 20 23. any real
property taxes paid for tax year 2022
[6:40] prior to February 1 2023 which I'll
incur no penalty and interest and be a
[6:48] further ordained at the penalty penalty
and interest for the county solid waste
[6:53] collection and Disposal fees as such fee
is established by the ordinance here 2-4
[6:59] adopted shall accrue for the year 2022
only
[7:04] on the mounts remaining unpaid hours off
February 1 20 23. any solid waste
[7:13] collection and Disposal fees due on
December the 5th 2022 but paid but I
[7:19] think we were in the first 2023 shout
incur no penalty and interest
[7:25] we have further ordained that your
relief provided herein shall apply only
[7:30] to real property taxes and the solid
waste collection disposal fees for the
[7:35] year 2022.
and no relief provided here under shall
[7:40] apply to the unpaid amounts from
priorities
[7:44] coins of tax years
and delinquent amounts for any other
[7:49] year shall continue to accrue penalty
and interest without abatement of any
[7:55] kind and be it further ordained that
this ordinance is adopted as an
[8:00] emergency measure this first day of
December 2022 pursuant to
[8:09] 15.2-1427f as the code of Virginia 1950
has amended and shall be affected for a
[8:15] period of 60 days Hereafter unless
repeal amended or re-adopted and conform
[8:21] doing what the provisions of such
section his ordinance shall be I think
[8:27] immediately adopted by the fallen and
recorded folks this first day of
[8:32] December 2022.
[8:36] but
[8:42] um
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passing ordinance has read
[8:53] a motion in a second
and opens the board for discussion
[8:58] do you want to wish to speak and just
find like this thank you guys for
[9:03] chilling up and listening and now I'm
running your phones after that we've
[9:07] exchanged emails and I truly appreciate
the efforts you guys have put in and the
[9:13] time you took out to hear the folks and
listen to me dick or any event so I do
[9:20] appreciate it
[9:22] stupid
[9:27] um
initially
[9:31] I did not
think that we need to know
[9:36] all right so you got I've had zero phone
calls and just one two three y'all
[9:46] well what
the reason I
[9:52] really end the resolution
fact that some people that didn't get
[9:56] the tax tickets could Tuesday
and I don't really have it
[10:03] to me
this makes sense just from the timing of
[10:07] your tax tickets everybody knows they're
taxing to do I think
[10:11] we did a lot of stuff back in July to
help ease the tax burden as much as we
[10:17] could
[10:20] for me it's common with that stick
okay
[10:25] yeah I guess probably that coach would
supervisor Riley said you know we
[10:31] there's two issues to play I think any
time we talk about taxes and that's
[10:35] that's great
the third tax rate is what we pay tax
[10:39] burden is can we pay
and the tax rate you know we adjusted
[10:45] that I think uh pretty effectively for
based on ultimately Services you know
[10:52] the services that
[10:57] provide
[11:01] and in this particular case you know the
real estate assessment was adjusted
[11:06] based on the changes in real estate
and also because of the personal
[11:12] property challenges specifically with
the used cars in that particular case
[11:18] you know we uh the used cars that don't
don't up in value which was pretty
[11:24] unprecedented
at St John the state
[11:27] legislature passed in ordinance that or
less reason that we had really taken
[11:33] into consideration so I think we do that
some of the effects of that though is
[11:38] the deferment of delay of payment of the
personal property
[11:43] potentially impacted unintentionally or
unknowingly
[11:48] uh the ability for people to pay this
time
[11:52] and so uh that to me kind of played into
it
[11:58] but at the end of the day I wasn't in
favor of moving the day or even in
[12:04] deferring anything initially because it
begins to then push it into
[12:10] the personal property payment again in
June and so we just got a you know
[12:16] predictability brings a little bit of
[12:22] stress relief and and good governance
you know and being and being a taxes
[12:27] have been doing Grayson County probably
forever in December so that was kind of
[12:32] where I was at but
after speaking with uh supervisor
[12:37] Anderson several times and also the
supervisor Isaac I mean we've all spoke
[12:41] I think where it came down to me and
again personal example is we got our
[12:46] family got our tax tickets Friday last
Friday
[12:50] and uh
and then I got a call the first call
[12:53] that I've gotten on this issue
uh was today's waiting for this Boardman
[12:59] meeting that the person who moved
uh they submitted the change of address
[13:07] that didn't take in the system
and their tax didn't get ticketed up to
[13:14] him late
and then they sent a certified check or
[13:18] certified letter with the check in it he
got returned so
[13:22] when I came came to realize is that the
issues that we had with it back in
[13:28] October which affected more than just
the Commission of Revenue and the
[13:32] treasury also affected our registrar's
office and the judge everybody
[13:38] that probably had as big of affect if
anything on tax tickets getting out and
[13:43] being available for folks to be able to
and plan ahead and so with that
[13:50] recognition similar to what supervisor
ivy
[13:54] it just kind of made sense at this point
if there was
[14:00] to no fault of any citizens
whether it was
[14:05] uh
statutorily on time
[14:10] if if there was something that the
county
[14:13] had something happen that no fault
necessarily anybody per se but it just
[14:17] things just didn't happen that delayed
the arrival of those tax tickets and it
[14:22] kind of made sense in this particular
case
[14:25] so that's kind of why I came around to
the idea of deferring interest in and uh
[14:31] and penalties until the end of January
thanks Mr chair
[14:37] s
all this was first brought up we worked
[14:41] on like 90 days which we're putting back
up into personal property February first
[14:46] is not a big deal I don't think uh you
can help somebody
[14:51] I just didn't want to enable
people to let things build up because
[14:58] that's common nature and let things
build up and then it would be
[15:03] subject for another disaster
we did that Through the Fire Company
[15:08] north and wind up with great big deals
in Bayonne and guess what I got the fire
[15:15] cut off his films I don't want to enable
people for disaster uh February 1st I'm
[15:22] fine with
I would like to talk about sometime
[15:26] maybe
and I talked to Mr long about it is
[15:30] getting the tax tickets out say in
October
[15:34] so they got plenty of time everybody
knows it's coming
[15:39] maybe if I got the bills in my hand in
October and then I have the December the
[15:44] 5th and don't put the burden on the
treasurer's office
[15:48] work together make this thing work
the thing that we don't care about the
[15:53] citizens that's what we're in here to do
um
[15:57] some people say that ain't what we're
doing but we are
[16:01] uh I'm agreeable with February first I
don't think another month is gonna
[16:08] miraculous uh hopefully everybody worked
together like the same world
[16:15] of
I'm probably not a self speaker
[16:21] fellow board members so I had right now
and I I want to talk so I wanted to
[16:26] to get out
I was elected to the board to represent
[16:31] the citizens of the Providence District
that's what I want to do
[16:36] I'm always interested in ensuring that I
support good services and programs for
[16:41] our citizens
while trying to be a good Steward I'm
[16:46] there in my own tax dollars
most of all treating everyone fairly
[16:53] whatever station of Life they're in
and these harder hard Economic Times
[17:00] that we're all enduring so I want to
speak to this issue
[17:06] but first lifelong resident of Grayson
County
[17:10] as far as I can remember
taxes have been due on December the 5th
[17:16] real estate Landings were set in June
which were lowered published in the
[17:22] papers
tax tickets were mailed out according to
[17:26] Virginia code at least 14 days in
advance actually 18 days according to
[17:32] staff
[17:34] May certain in a workshop meeting we as
a board approved the commissioner of
[17:40] revenues
30 votes recommendations to provide
[17:44] further relief
to our Elder and disabled citizens of 65
[17:48] and older
by increasing the eligibility levels for
[17:53] someone with income less than thirty
thousand dollars
[17:56] and net worth of less than a hundred
thousand dollars giving them a 300 tax
[18:02] credit
relief
[18:05] uh
we returned or cut personal property by
[18:11] 28 on average to our citizens and move
dates back to September
[18:18] but today today's December the 1st
Monday is a deadline December the 5th
[18:26] a quick check with the treasurer's
office just yesterday they took in
[18:31] around a million dollars
in tax revenues
[18:35] and about half the citizens have paid my
question
[18:40] what about them
what can we do for them at this point
[18:46] it's sincere from the heart question why
[18:54] uh what if they struggled and make the
difficult choice to pay taxes and forego
[19:00] another need such as ball powers
on vehicle medication or power pay the
[19:07] power bills
if this was an issue that should have
[19:11] been addressed why Monday a week ago
why not two months ago why not a month
[19:17] ago
could have supported it
[19:22] I have not received first call from my
district regarding a request for that
[19:27] tax relief in fact I received a call
from a citizen to state
[19:33] that is not needed and this is a blue
collar worker every day
[19:38] citizen
I did receive one message text uh
[19:43] messenger text on Facebook
wanted to know if I supported this for
[19:48] the elderly which we did in May
I made trips to the usual gathering
[19:54] places in my district last few days
not one person has pushed for support
[20:00] for mentioned it
[20:04] so I don't know the urgency on it
[20:09] my point is
we
[20:13] are denying at least half our citizenry
this privilege
[20:20] okay
and you say well they probably had the
[20:24] money and because that's why they pay
you taxes
[20:27] I've paid my taxes because
before work
[20:32] because I knew it was due and I had to
get it done and so I went ahead and
[20:35] spent the money and I think that's a
mindset of a lot of people
[20:40] okay our county has proven to be very
lenient on delinquent taxes
[20:45] it takes three years before action is
taken
[20:50] and one it's the process it started
it can extend for months if not years
[20:58] now going back to getting calls from
citizens
[21:02] I think I've got a call about a half
hour before I left come up here
[21:08] and uh
it was from a young man who has a young
[21:13] family in my district
and he's trying to run a business
[21:18] and he's trying to be a cattle farmer
and he said he's not going to be able to
[21:24] make the deadlines
so I know there is people they do have
[21:28] issues
but I asked my fellow board members
[21:33] what can we do for these people that
you've already already paid your taxes
[21:37] and didn't uh diligent in doing this and
is it fair I put that question to you
[21:44] and uh
[21:49] I have to say
any other discussion before we take a
[21:54] real combo just to answer you a question
about fairness I don't think this was a
[22:00] fairness issue I think this was an issue
to to help folks who may be in need
[22:07] and understanding that a lot of the
taxes have been collected and there's
[22:12] going to be probably by December 5th a
lot more
[22:16] collected so we may be talking about
45 of the taxpayers or 15 of their
[22:24] taxpayers but if those are citizens in
need and they are taxpayers and they're
[22:29] hard-working taxpayers
I've not met one individual in the
[22:34] county that's already paid their taxes
that has an issue with someone else
[22:38] getting some help or an extension as far
as the dependencies and interests times
[22:45] that would be my response to that we do
a lot of things we spend a lot of money
[22:51] in here that doesn't always
cover
[22:57] every citizen of every area of the
county
[23:02] um
so the issue of fairness because I know
[23:06] that that that was the initial pushback
that that I got when I raised this issue
[23:12] and you know we just approved from what
I understand
[23:17] sixty thousand dollars for an x-ray
machine
[23:20] for freeze
um to my knowledge the Grant Community
[23:25] don't have an x-ray machine
exactly
[23:28] so there's a lot of you know the
fairness debate I don't think is what
[23:33] this is about I think it's about helping
folks times are tough and that's what
[23:38] this is about as far as the 90 days
which I was pushing originally my
[23:45] thoughts on that were I did get feedback
and even from people in your District
[23:49] that said if you give them 90 days that
takes them to getting back income tax
[23:55] returns for a lot of people and that
might lighten the load so that was the
[24:01] initial push I think 60 days is is a
good good marker and I you know agree
[24:06] with agreed with that I will agree with
that
[24:09] and uh that's that's where I am with it
and I do appreciate everybody coming out
[24:14] having the discussion and
and addressing the issue okay that's all
[24:19] I have understood and I might speak to
unless someone else has something I
[24:23] might just picked up a couple of points
so I didn't put the X-ray machine was
[24:27] approved I wasn't aware of that and that
is good news for my district but it's
[24:32] easy
okay
[24:36] okay
and and to another point
[24:41] you know not everybody benefits by
certain programs and uh
[24:47] services that came out but there is one
common denominator among all those
[24:52] citizens they pay taxes
all right
[24:58] so uh can you further discussion
okay picosis is a resolution there will
[25:05] be a road call vote
[25:09] uh
[25:14] yes Mr fan yes Mr Ivy yes
the church thanks
[25:31] any further business
uh
[25:41] five or six five percent
[25:45] oh
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[25:50] you know