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Great. Welcome everyone to the town of
Greater Napony regular session of

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council for the 25th day of August 2026.
Just before we call the meeting to

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order, I just want to remind everyone
this evening that this evening's meeting

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is being livereamed via our YouTube
channel. So, welcome to those that are

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in the body of the council chambers this
evening. Welcome to those that are

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watching uh tonight and welcome to those
that will watch us at a later date. So

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having said all that, we'll call the
meeting to order and we'll start our

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meeting uh with our opening proceeding
which is a playing of the national

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anthem. So I'll ask those in the body of
the council chambers to stand and face

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the flag as we play our national

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» Great. Thanks everyone. Uh just uh
before we get going, we're going to uh

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deal with a closed session that we had
earlier this evening. So I'll look for a

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motion to uh note rece [clears throat]
or sorry to uh go into or to do our

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rising report from close session. Moved
by deputy mayor Calver, second by

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councelor Shank if there's no further
comments, questions or concerns. All in

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favor of that motion? Opposed? Motion's
carried. I would like to report uh that

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in closed session this evening
uh that council received for information

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the confidential appointments to the
joint compliance audit committee report

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and further that council approve the
recommended appointments and direct that

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a bylaw be brought to the September 8th
2026 meeting for adoption. Uh look for a

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motion to note and receive that. Uh
moved by councelor Nory second by depra.

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There's no further comments, questions,
or concerns. All in favor of that

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motion? Opposed? Motion's carried. Uh
the next matter is confidential

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SR1429-2026
legal advice. The council received for

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information the confidential legal
advice report.

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Moved by
councelor Davyy, second by councelor

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Shank. If there's no further comments,
questions, or concerns, all in favor of

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that motion? Opposed? The motion's
carried. And I'm just going to back up

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because we do have some rising reports.
Madam clerk, I think from August 11th

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and 25th, am I correct?
>> Through your worship. Yes. Uh since

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August 11th was only close session in
the special meeting, we'll do the rise

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and report. Yeah.
>> Okay. So, having uh said

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» uh this one here, right, right?
>> Yeah.

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» Yeah.
>> Uh we'll uh look for a motion to know

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and receive the confidential SR1434-2026
land sale former Suttered Lands. that

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council receive for information the
confidential land sale former sutter

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lands report and fur that council direct
and authorized staff to proceed as

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directed in close session moved by
deputy mayor calver second by councelor

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Martin if there's no further comments
questions or concerns all in favor of

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that motion motion's carried and finally
confidential SR1433-2026

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human resources report August 11th the
council receive for information the

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confidential human resources report
moved by councelor Nory second by

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councelor Martin if there's no further
comments, questions, or concerns. All in

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favor of that motion? Opposed? Motion's
carried. Uh look for a motion to adopt

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uh the agenda as presented. Move by
councelor Davyy. Second by councelor

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Shank. If there's no further comments,
questions or concerns. All in favor of

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that motion. Opposed. Motion's carried.
Disclosure of pecuniary interest in the

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general nature thereof. Is there any
disclosures of pecuniary interest this

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evening?
Seeing none, uh, deputations, schedule

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deputations, new items. I don't believe
we have any, madame clerk. Uh,

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deputations item on the agenda. We do
have one deputation, Jay Bogdanowitz.

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Miss Bdanowitz is here. And so, welcome,
uh, Miss Bogdanowitz. Uh, I don't know

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if you've been here in person or not.
The microphone in front of you, there's

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a button in the middle uh, says push.
You just have to push it. Once the green

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light is on, the green light is on and
we'll be able to hear you. but they have

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to have the green light on so the folks
at home can hear you as well. So, um,

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whenever you're ready, the floor of
yours.

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» Okay, great. Thank you. Uh, thank you,
uh, for allowing me to speak tonight.

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Uh, I appreciated the conversation, uh,
at the last meeting very much. Um, and I

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appreciated that there was a unanimous
interest in, uh, a bylaw review of, um,

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of, I guess, orders to mow tall grasses.
Um, I also very much appreciated that

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two council members came to the property
to see uh the garden that we are trying

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to naturalize and uh they spoke highly
of it uh during the council meeting and

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um you know suggested that others uh
could do the same as well on their

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properties. Um I appreciated the staff
report that was turned around very

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quickly um and that was very thorough
although I have a few questions about

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that report today.
Um, and I guess, um, what I'm kind of

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left wondering is that regardless of,
um, you know, the praise I received from

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from the counselors, um, staff continue
to recommend upholding the order to MO.

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Um, and so again, I'm here to, uh,
request that the order is cancelled. Uh,

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and to just confirm again that this
issue is causing a great amount of

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distress for for me and my family.
Um, one of the things in the report that

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I found uh that was interesting that I
wanted to highlight um was an

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interpretive direction that pollinator
gardens and naturalized lawns could fall

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within the existing exemption for
ornamental grasses that currently exist

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in the bylaw.
And if that interpretation is taken,

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that would protect our garden and others
like it um as the bylaw update proceeds

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uh without rec without requiring council
to wait until the next term to act. So I

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thought that was a kind of an
interesting um let's not call it a

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loophole, but a kind of interesting
interpretation um to address this issue.

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Um I'm also [clears throat] here to seek
clarification about the report in

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particular. Uh the report recommends um
mowing along two of my property lines,

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but it says that I I don't need to mow
if if the area is a wetland and those

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property lines um contain cattails. And
so in my interpretation, this is um you

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know part of a a storm water swale and
I'm curious to know if that would be

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considered a wetland or not.
Um the report also um suggests that the

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order is canled. Um, however, it kind of
suggests that it could be opened up

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again um before the next term of
council. Um, and so again, I'm here to

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humbly ask that the decision that is
made today closes the issue for us until

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the bylaw can be updated.
Um, the topic of t ticks and pests came

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up at the last meeting. Um, and uh, I
wanted to refer to the letter that

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council has received by Joyce Hustlin,
uh, who is a Thousand Islands master

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gardener.
uh she wanted to um I guess point

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council to um a number of scientific
papers that have been written on the

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issue and uh and if uh council proceeds
with updating the bylaw encourage that

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those involved in that um that they
consult the the latest scient scientific

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papers on the issue and in particular
just to quote her um her letter she says

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that blackhead black sorry blacklegged
ticks um and their abundance is driven

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by deer access white-footed mice
populations and woodland proximity and

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it's um and plant height and mowing
schedules do not quite um you know

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contribute to tick populations.
Um and so finally just to conclude um

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you know again I'm here as I've
mentioned in my letter I will not be

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destroying my garden uh and forced to
mow and if the town decides to destroy

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the garden I will have no choice but to
take legal action for damages. Thank

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you.
>> Great. Thanks Madanowitch. Just hang

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tight and we'll see if uh just hang
tight. We'll see if council has any

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questions for you. Okay. So, council, do
you have any questions or comments for

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for Julie with respect to her her uh
deputation here this evening?

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Uh Deputy Mayor Calber, thank you
worship.

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The blacklegged tick. There's a lot of
different talks about what causes, what

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doesn't cause, where they live, where
they don't live. Um,

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as much as you're saying that long grass
doesn't attribute to them and so on and

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so forth, there's also documents out
there that say it does. Um, I'm just

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just a little concerned. I mean, we have
bylaws in place for a reason.

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And
here we are. As much as you enjoy your

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your natural garden, natural yard, and I
did take a drive out there, by the way.

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I didn't I didn't knock on your door. I
went and seen what I could see from the

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road. Um, and I've seen your trails that
you've got cut through your property and

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stuff, but
I I just I'm just concerned myself. I

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know with our property that we maintain
and look at, 100 plus acres of land. Um,

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and we have trails as well and uh we do
have ticks on the property um as well.

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And it's uh it's a non-stop fight to try
to keep them and we keep everything cut

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back on our trails and so on and so
forth. But uh yeah, I'm just a little

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concerned when you when you say that the
long grass doesn't doesn't in inhibit

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these uh these ticks because we have
them too and they're everywhere and

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especially in southeastern Ontario there
these ticks are all over the place. So

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anyways, that was all I've got to say on
that. So, I I still believe our bylaws

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are are still good and should be
followed. Thank you.

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» Thank you. Uh, Deputy Mayor Calver, is
there anything else for Miss Baganowitz

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before we move on?
Seeing none, uh, hang tight, uh, Julie.

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We will have a, I'm sure, a robust
conversation about the matter later on

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in the agenda. So, uh, um, relax and see
how we do things here in Napony. So,

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thank you. I'll look for a motion to
note and receive the uh the uh

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deputation of Julie Bogdanowitz. Moved
by councelor Noi, second by Deputy Mayor

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Calver. If there's no further comments,
questions, or concerns, all in favor of

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that motion? Opposed? Motion's carried.
Unfinished business. The first matter is

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updated executive services, labor
relations, reserve, spending thresholds,

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and governance framework. And Mr. Grant,
I think you're going to speak to that.

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Uh so when you get settled in there,
we'll uh we'll allow you to take the

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floor.

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Uh thank you worship and through you
your worship to members of council. Um

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this is an item that is coming back uh
with respect uh to uh labor relations uh

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reserve. Uh the initial trunch of money
going into the reserve uh is $155,000

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um from workplace self uh safety and
insurance board. Uh and the team has

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also talked about how to have recurring
support um for that kind of reserve. Um

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the the current theory is what's called
gapping dollars. So there will be uh

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monies that are unspent on budgeted
salary dollars due to turnover or

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recruitment and that sort of thing. and
that's uh dedicated for HR so should be

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going for HR purposes. Uh council at our
uh last meeting expressed the desire um

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to understand um exactly how this money
would be allocated and spent, how

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council uh could perform its fiduciary
duty in terms of spending limits um

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while also
um creating a a separation on specific

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HR matters. And I think that we've
struck a reasonable balance here and I'm

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I'm happy to get your views on it. So,
the proposed delegated authority limits

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um the way that it uh is proposed to
work is that uh there'd be a maximum

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spend uh of $25,000
um for things such as recruitment

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advertising, executive or specialized
recruitment services, uh candidate uh

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assessment and testing tools, relocation
assistance, um things like that for uh

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recruitment and staffing transition
costs, termination, severance, and

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workforce restructuring costs such as uh
contractual termination pay, severance

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obligations, vacation payout,
liabilities, uh labor relations uh and

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legal expenses and investigation cost
such as external labor employment legal

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services, workplace investigations
um under some of our policies uh such as

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the workplace harassment uh bylaw,
arbitration and mediation costs, human

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rights or employment compliance matters,
uh WSIB and accommodation costs. Um so

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uh I would have the authority to
authorize the spend on the

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recommendation of human resources uh and
would do so in consultation with the

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treasurer. Um the uh anything exceeding
that and candidly anything serious would

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exceed that. uh it just would uh would
come to council uh for an inc camera

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discussion uh in a general sense without
getting into the specific HR files per

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se. But this this is the problem we're
trying to solve and this is why we think

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this uh avenue uh is the proper avenue
to solve it and this is how much uh we

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believe that we need above and beyond
what is our delegated authority. Um, I

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would expect um a lot of um uh spending
would be minor in nature and far below

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the $25,000 threshold. One of the things
that sparked this discussion candidly

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was um the fact that HR had no
recruitment budget.

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» Um that candidly was a problem u from my
perspective. we were using uh our own uh

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website, social media and that sort of
thing to try to find um appropriate

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staff and and sometimes we're looking
for very specialized people in a very

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competitive market. So I'll I'll give
you an example. Um he's not here anymore

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online so I can embarrass him. Um Mr.
Hatton is someone that we did an

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expanded uh search for using very
specific uh advertising methods

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particularly um the association of
planners websites and which come at a

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cost um and that's where we found them
and uh that is candidly a get because

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planners are hard to find. Um there's a
number of different kinds of professions

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that are hard uh to fill and that is one
of them at this point in time. Um so we

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would see things such as that. Um
the uh and anything above and beyond

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that as I mentioned we would bring to
council um for uh your authorization. Um

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we would give you a full rationale and
you know as we do financial reporting we

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would indicate um these are where monies
were spent and the reason that they were

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spent that way. And with that uh I or
Miss Natt Fischer are happy to answer

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any of your questions.
Great. Uh, thank you, Mr. Grant. Go

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ahead, Councelor Nish.
>> Mr. Grant. Um, just I think I know the

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answer, but the relocation assistance is
that the sweet in the pot to say to

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bring someone from the other end of the
lake from a big city to here or

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something like that? Is that the idea
>> to Mr. Mayor? Short answer, yes. Um, so

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if we're pulling people from if we're
trying to um entice them from the

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greater Toronto area or beyond, um, it's
unlikely we'd be able to pay full

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relocation. Um but sometimes that's
what's needed to give us a competitive

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edge over over a different organization.
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» Thought so. Thank you.
>> Thank you councelor Nor. Thank you Mr.

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Grant. Is there anything else? Councelor
Martin.

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» Thank you mayor through you. Um Mr.
Grant. Um

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the the
reserve fund is was or is or whatever it

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was at 155
155,000

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and
>> Mr. Mayor. Yes, it is.

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» Okay. Um so
if the corporation saves money during

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the year that's going to be replenished
by that money saved. So what what

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happens if there's x number of dollars
saved and you keep you build up that

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fund to um a large amount? I mean, I I
like reserve funds, Billy. Me for, you

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know, firet truck, uh, uh, snow plows,
building maintenance, that type of

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thing. But I'm just I'm just wondering
why HR usually isn't an emergency

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situation. Like, usually HR can come to
council for for funds or whatever. And

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should there maybe be a cap on the
reserve fund as far as I mean how much

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money would would you recommend that uh
or you you would think that's going to

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be needed in a particular year.
>> So through you Mr. Mayor to councelor

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Martin uh difficult to say depending on
year to year. So I would agree that

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there's no uh emergency situations per
se. Uh but human resources is part of

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the business that costs money has cost
money. We can cost that out over the

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last several years. We've just been
pulling it from other places. Um so it's

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it's come at the expense of of some
other places. Um I would say do I think

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that the reserve is going to get quite a
bit higher year-over-year savings? I

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would love to have that problem.
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I don't think we're going to have that
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um only because of some of the the uh
past dollars that have been spent for

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specific reasons, whether it be
arbitration that we recently went

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through. Um if we have mediation cost,
recruitment costs, um there's an ongoing

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costs that are fairly healthy. And I
wouldn't suggest that we'd want to go

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much over 150 unless uh if it indicated,
you know, a circumstance indicated that

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we needed more than that, we would come
to you and ask to to raise the

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threshold. If we were over that, my
expectation would be that uh finance

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would tell you um look, we we are over
the threshold of the reserve that was

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originally set up by council. What would
you like to do with the money? Um so I I

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don't think we're going to see uh the
reserve grow and grow and grow per se.

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It's unlike other reserves and that
there's continuous operating needs, but

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it's been uh a negotiation between HR
and others uh between uh how things will

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be funded, where the money is going to
come from, are people going to get the

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same level of service uh based on the
budget they have to allocate for a

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recruitment effort or whatnot. And we're
we're looking to sort of standardize the

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service so everyone gets the same level
of service, if you may, if you will. Um

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so that's the intention for it.
I don't know if I answered your question

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there, counselor,
in a roundabout way.

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Thank you. Um, could I just um
So, is is that uh does this mean if we

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have a reserve fund of 150 roughly,000
that that will no longer be a budget

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item because other years we've actually
budgeted for HR expenses, have we not?

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And I mean, if there's an expense coming
that needs to be paid for, it usually

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comes out of the general reserve as
opposed to

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having a I mean, I don't know how many
reserves we have now. I I've I've heard

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a number of reserves over over the last
four years, and I'm just I just want to

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make sure that council is aware of every
dollar spent, but we all know that next

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year is going to be a a challenging year
budget-wise. So, I'm just I'm just

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trying to get a perspective on on what's
going ahead as far as our budgeting is

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concerned.
>> I think uh I think our human resources

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professional may be able to weigh in on
this, Mr. Grant. So, go ahead, Holly.

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» Thank you. Through your worship. Um we
of course now my brain has gone

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completely empty. Um
Oh my goodness,

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my brain's empty. It
Yeah, thank you. Um, [laughter]

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in the past we have budgeted for known
expenses in HR that have come up. So

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when we know we're going to arbitration,
when we know we're doing those certain

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when we're going to have higher than
normal legal fees, but in a lot of the

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situations that you see listed in this
reserve here, they're unknown. They

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happen kind of just as they happen. Um,
so I I foresee this being a separate pot

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of money for that exact reason. we will
still likely budget for these higher

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expense item ticket items that we know
are coming. So, we won't be pulling from

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those reserves for that specific thing
when we know it's coming. But otherwise,

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everything else listed in this reserve,
it it kind of comes up as the year goes

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on and that's why we're asking for this
specific pot of money on the side to

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pull from.

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Yep.
>> So, this is just for emergency funds.

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This isn't for So, we'll still be
looking at budgeting for normal HR

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expenses.
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» through your worship, yes, we will still
be planning on budgeting for normal

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known HR expenses. I'm not confident the
word emergency is the right word um

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because that has a certain context
associated with it. But these are the

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unknown costs that happen throughout the
year. Um, they happen every year.

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They're going to happen every year, but
you can't plan for them because you

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don't know which ones are going to come
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» Thank you. Sorry. Go ahead, Mr. Grant.
>> So, three, Mr. May, I'll give I'll give

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an example for you, counselor. So, uh,
some of the recruitment costs that we

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would incur, we wouldn't know. Um, so,
uh, people don't often, uh, forecast in

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advance, um, before they've found a new
job. They let you know when they've

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secured a new job. Not that anyone not
that we want anyone to leave. Um but uh

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the difference in recruiting um certain
positions uh versus other positions.

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There will be a difference in cost in
how you would have to go to recruit

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because one year we might find a
difficult to recruit position that we

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have to invest more money into to find
the right person. Uh and other ones um

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those types of uh people that could fill
those positions are are more abundant in

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the area. um we might have uh an HR
investigation that comes up for whatever

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reason that we weren't anticipating that
we would need um funds for, but we

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wouldn't be necessarily anticipating
those because a matter might have uh

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popped up that would be contrary to a
policy and we're obligated under policy

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to act. Um but we wouldn't have been
able to foresee those because um we

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didn't plan for someone to break a
policy.

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» Thank you, Mr. Graham.
Thank you. Uh, council, go ahead,

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councelor Shane.
Hi,

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» Matthew. Uh, I'll give you an analogy. I
had a wise man tell me once that uh, and

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this is council's what's happened in the
past. All right. So, if a child touches

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a stove when it's really hot, it's a
little gunshy touching again. So,

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there's a concern here. All right. I'll
be I'm just being honest. All right.

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That
are we giving you the the keys to the

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safe? if you know what I mean. I know
it's 155,000, but are we losing any

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authority of no, we're not going to pay
that out or no, we're not going to do

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this or we're losing that. Now, I'm in
agreement with what you're doing. All

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right,
cautiously. All right, but uh Ellen is

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going to give us a quarterly financial
breakdown.

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uh anything is I have faith because we
have great staff that anything that's

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contentious
that is you know it doesn't do the smell

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test because uh we're not a municipality
that just goes yeah we'll just yeah

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we'll bend or yeah no you know what I
mean if it has to go that route we we'll

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go that route you know what I mean but
we have to be fair and honest with

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ourselves also and where that money
spent and that's where I think where

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Bill's coming from also where counselor
Martin is coming from is that we just

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want to make sure that we're not out of
the loop, that we're still in that loop

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with Ellen's uh financial what she's
going to give us to us and with your

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communication skills, Matthew and and
Holly, what you guys are doing, I feel

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confident that you're doing it. So, I'm
not saying I'm not going to look at it

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with a real magnifying glass, but it's
definitely going to be looked at. So,

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that's what my concern is. as long as
you you address those type of concerns

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with the the future council then uh you
know what I mean what their concern

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might be because you know once bitten
twice shy you know what I mean so that's

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where you're into a shy state right now
so that's all

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» yeah go ahead Mr. Grant
>> so um I'll uh I'll I'll speak to that

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counselor and and invite Holly to weigh
in so I'd first say through you Mr.

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Mayor, if we were going to rob the safe,
I'd ask you for a lot more money. I

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really would. Um, and there's nothing in
this policy that would allow us to spend

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$150,000 in one shot. So, what you're
seeing in terms of a $25,000 limit,

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that's around my that's actually quite a
bit less than my delegated authority

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already. Um, it it's and to date in my
time here. Uh, I like working here, so I

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wouldn't spend that without telling you.
Uh, unless it was a serious emergency,

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like I need to act and spend something
now, we're going to lose a lot more. Um,

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what I would say is, um, let's call it,
um, say if there was a dismissal that

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had to be made for whatever reason, um,
some of this would be enough to to cover

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the statutory limits that we'd be
required to pay anyway. if we were

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looking to have a negotiated settlement
that would far exceed that for whatever

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reason, $25,000 probably wouldn't do it.
Um, candidly, um, and if we were going

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to do that and look to get into a
negotiated settlement, um, I would more

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than likely give you like give you the
situation of here's the situation we're

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in. Here's the the management decision
that I need to make. um I need uh to,

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you know, pull this amount of funds for
this reason. Um and if I don't do that,

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here are some other options in order to
get to the outcome that we need to get

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to. If it's not financial like right
away, it might be um not that anyone's

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going to get fired, um but it would be
something like salary continuence to

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spread out money as opposed to a lump
sum out of the reserve. There'd be

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different ways to get at it. Um but
we're quite aware um of the hot stove.

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Um we've taken great pains uh to ensure
that staff and council have a high

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degree of trust and we value that. Um
and uh it's not in our interest nor do

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we desire to lose that.
>> Yep. Go ahead.

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» Like there's not all 25,000. There's an
item in here 15,000. So that's the

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reason why there's but
the reason why I'm saying that is

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because in the past you know a limit was
15,000 and an individual [clears throat]

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would go ahead and 14,552
and then the next month it would be

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14,582
you know I mean I'm still below my limit

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you know what I mean as long as none of
that ever happens you know I mean and I

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have trust in you guys so and you all
know that you know I don't pound on you

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every day so there there we go. So yeah,
I just that's the reason why the concern

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is there. That's all.
>> So uh through Mr. Mayor, if it gives you

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any comfort, counselor, I'm remarkably
cheap.

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» Thanks, uh councelor Shank. Thank you,
Mr. Grant. Deputy Mayor Gbert.

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» Uh thank you through your worship. Um
know exactly where you're coming from,

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Mike. Uh for a lot of years, we'd say
you hear the saying, well, we'll find

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the money. This isn't money we're going
to find. This is money for a specific

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job. This is for HR. This isn't just a
slush fund for others to pull out of.

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This is HR money, their responsibility,
and I have uh nothing but the utmost

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respect and trust for our staff. Thank
you. Thanks, Deputy Mayor Calver. Is

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there anything else? If not, we do have
a recommendation that council receive

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for information the updated executive
services labor's relations reserve

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spending thresholds and governance
framework report and further that

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council approve the proposed thresholds
for delegated authority spending in each

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category. Moved by councelor Shank,
second by councelor Davey. Is there any

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further comments, questions or concerns
with respect to the motions on the

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floor? Seeing none, we'll call the
question. All in favor of the motion

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that's on the floor opposed. The
motion's carried. Next matter is growth

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in infrastructure request for land
transfer 341 Camden Road portion of

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Milhouse Yard, Stormwater Pond Land. And
Mr. Grant, you're going to speak to that

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as well.
>> Uh I'm going to parrot the notes that

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Mr. Nobs was kind enough to give me. Um
as uh he's not here today, so if you'll

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bear with me, I just need to pull that
up.

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Um

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okay. Um so the subject property that um
uh is in the report uh speaks to um

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fencing and and the like. So the fencing
is to delineate uh the limit of town

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owned storm water pond area which was
approved through budget. Uh a survey was

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completed to determine exact property
line for the fence installation. Uh the

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property line bicts two mature pear
trees which were planted by the owner of

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341 Camden uh road several years ago. Uh
the owner of 341 would like to see the

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trees retained through the installation
of the fence. Uh the owner has requested

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either the town shift the fence further
onto town property to avoid trees

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effectively
um you know that would effectively give

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up town owned land which is not
something that staff would recommend. Uh

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town compensate for the loss of the
trees. A $400 tree of the fences

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installed on the property line and
respectfully I think if there's a tree

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on our property that's candidly our
tree. Um but uh the town transferred a 5

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foot wide strip of land for $1 to the
owner to shift the property line away

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from the trees. Um
you know the there's several different

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00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:36,560
approaches uh to sell you could sell the
owner a 5ft wide strip along the rear

408
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:41,200
property line um roughly an $890 sale
price to legally shift the property line

409
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:44,640
to allow the trees to remain. Um if
council elects to proceed with the sale

410
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:48,720
uh of the land, the next step would be
to declare the land surplus, which

411
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:52,560
requires public notice and bylaw to
allow the transfer uh would come to a

412
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:57,680
future meeting. This would be a class
two surplus as uh there's only one

413
00:37:55,359 --> 00:38:02,160
property that could acquire this land.
Um so that is I believe Mr. Gnome's

414
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recommended option. The uh the other
option I think that um uh would come up

415
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:16,160
uh is uh council directed staff to come
up with a uh tree bylaw. You may recall

416
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:20,880
if in the event that we were going to
install a fence and had to remove a tree

417
00:38:18,079 --> 00:38:26,320
to do so, we would be obligated to plant
two trees uh under that policy which has

418
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:30,480
yet to come forward. Um but I would say
those are the options. I believe Mr. No

419
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:34,400
has the recommended option of a land
sale just to preserve the trees as they

420
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:42,160
are. Um if council wanted a different
option that would be one of them with

421
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:47,800
that um I'm happy to uh answer
sort of questions uh to the best of my

422
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,800
ability.

423
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:55,760
» Thank you uh thank you Mr. Grant. Uh
let's we'll try and venture through this

424
00:38:53,280 --> 00:39:00,320
and see what we can do for you. So um
first of all is there any questions? Go

425
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:05,599
ahead, Council Martin.
>> Sorry, Matthew. [laughter]

426
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:08,960
Um, start off with, I would like to say
that

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00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:14,000
somehow or another, I'd like to see
those trees saved. That's one of my I

428
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:19,119
was I was over there actually the other
day and I I don't know if you recall at

429
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:26,000
council
prior councils uh another resident over

430
00:39:21,839 --> 00:39:31,520
there actually bought a small area of
and it's right beside this property um

431
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:35,760
to square off his property and to make
it one continual

432
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:41,280
square fence there. So, I I'm just
wondering, and you probably don't maybe

433
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:45,760
don't know this, maybe you do,
whether that neighbor was notified

434
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:50,400
because I know there is some concern
that now that that there's a bump out of

435
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:54,960
his property next door, it's going to
affect the new fence that he put up just

436
00:39:52,960 --> 00:40:00,000
recently, within the last, I think it
was a month, maybe roughly. So, I don't

437
00:39:57,839 --> 00:40:04,359
know if that neighbor was contacted at
all about uh his comments.

438
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,880
through you, Mr. Mayor. I will have to
look in that and get back to you,

439
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:14,640
counselor.
>> Thank you. Um, there's some other things

440
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:21,680
I'm I'm asking about this, too. Um, the
out of the six options that I that we

441
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:26,599
have here. Um,
I just want to ask why not number four,

442
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:33,408
which is Well, I'll let you read it.
[laughter]

443
00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:45,920
So through you, Mr. Mayor, if I read
that um correctly, we'd be installing a

444
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:50,400
fence um further on our property. We
would still own some property but not

445
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:53,200
have effective use of it,
>> right?

446
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:56,160
» Um so I would I we're not recommending
it for that reason because normally if

447
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,720
you're going to put fences, you put it
on the property line of what?

448
00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:05,920
» Normally. Yes.
>> Yeah. And so, um, I think if if the

449
00:41:03,839 --> 00:41:10,560
desire was to maintain the trees, uh,
and not cut them down and replace them,

450
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:14,880
but, uh, and allow the individual that
planted them to retain ownership, a

451
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:20,720
class 2 land sale is the way to go. Um,
because then there is, um, no ambiguity

452
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:27,920
over who owns what.
Yeah, I understand kind of, but it would

453
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:33,359
it it seems to me it would save
this particular um

454
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:40,319
person that's requesting the trees be
saved and giving him land for for a

455
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:44,800
dollar basically is what he's requesting
for. Um, and I think we're talking about

456
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:50,960
five feet roughly from what I was
looking at over there for a bumpout. I I

457
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:56,480
just think that
it's not it's not going to be of any use

458
00:41:53,119 --> 00:42:03,040
to him or the town where that fence is.
I mean, it's it's only it's only going

459
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:07,280
to go to serve to uh save the trees and
and if we sell it to them, it's going to

460
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:12,960
be the same thing. There's going to be a
bump out to save the trees. The only

461
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:18,240
thing is it Yeah, you're right. It
clarifies who owns it possibly. But when

462
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:23,040
you're talking about 5 ft to save a
tree,

463
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:29,359
I I I would think number four would be
it would save surveys, money, legal

464
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:31,839
cost. That's all I'm I'm looking at.
>> Go ahead, Mr. Grant.

465
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:35,359
» So through you, Mr. Mayor, uh point of
clarity as well is like uh the trees

466
00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:37,760
were planted by the individual, but the
tree on our property legally is our

467
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,040
tree.
>> Um

468
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:44,880
» I agree.
>> Yeah. So um I I would say that

469
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:49,839
» although excuse me, Mr. Grant, I I
looking at it and and I'm not a

470
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:54,640
surveyor, but looking at it, the one
looked like it was in on his property.

471
00:42:52,560 --> 00:43:02,000
The other one was right on the property
line, possibly if you measured with a

472
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:07,200
with a, you know, a GPS instrument. I'm
But it's more on town land than it is,

473
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:10,079
but I I'm just, you know,
>> so

474
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:12,319
» just to clarify where the trees are
>> through you, Mr. Fair enough. Partially

475
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:17,440
our tree.
>> Yeah. Um, so what I would say is this,

476
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:20,400
like, um, I would look at this with the
principle of what would we do for any

477
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:24,319
other property if it wasn't just these
trees, but it was some other thing. I

478
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:28,480
think the principle of ownership is
something that we would want to

479
00:43:25,359 --> 00:43:30,000
maintain. Um, and be really clear about
who owns what.

480
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:34,720
» Okay.
>> Um, only because with land ownership

481
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:38,720
comes responsibilities, comes liability,
comes a number of different things. So

482
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:43,119
if it's our intention uh to ensure that
the trees can be preserved and owned by

483
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:46,720
the individual then I would go through
uh the effort of surveying it out and so

484
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:51,680
the fence is in the proper place and
ownership is not in question. Um it's

485
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:57,200
say in the unlikely event that something
happened on land that we owned but had

486
00:43:53,680 --> 00:44:00,720
no custody over um that puts us in a
very precarious position not only in

487
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,720
this but in other areas of of land
ownership.

488
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:12,319
» Yeah. Thank you, mayor. Through you, uh,
Matthew, I I

489
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:18,240
my main concern is to save the trees,
but I mean, if we sell 5t of this

490
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:25,200
property and give them a bump out and it
costs 5 to7,000, I'm reading their

491
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:30,480
report here uh, to do that. Does do we
know if that property owner is prepared

492
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:37,920
to spend that money for like he's asking
for for a dollar? I I'm assuming he's

493
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:46,160
not going to want to spend5 to $7,000
um legal fees and and um survey. So I

494
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:51,440
guess my my other qu my last question
will be if he doesn't buy it because he

495
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:55,440
doesn't want to spend the money, are we
going to cut the trees down?

496
00:44:53,839 --> 00:44:59,839
Because I'd really hate to see those two
trees go.

497
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:02,640
» Thank you. Okay. I won't ask anymore.
>> So through you, Mr. Mayor, for the

498
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:07,440
record, Council Min, you can ask as many
questions as you like. It's why we're

499
00:45:03,839 --> 00:45:12,480
here. Um, but so I would say uh a couple
of different things. Um, in line with

500
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:17,920
the land sale bylaw and the principles
of value for real estate, um, I would

501
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:23,200
always advocate that we sell land for
what it's worth and not necessarily what

502
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:28,319
someone wants to pay, per se. Um, there
is a value to that land. I'm quite

503
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:32,480
certain it's more than a dollar. Um so
uh giving someone for regardless of the

504
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:36,160
purpose uh and how no matter how
honorable it is, I think we have an

505
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:40,480
obligation as a municipality uh to
steward you know land ownership

506
00:45:38,319 --> 00:45:47,520
resources and and and charge what the
land is worth. um in the event that we

507
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:51,200
were going to um if a tree had to come
down because we're putting a fence on

508
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:55,040
the property line, that's when I believe
um that the the policy that was

509
00:45:53,440 --> 00:46:01,200
recommended and approved by council for
us to bring uh to bring back. Um we

510
00:45:57,839 --> 00:46:08,240
would plant two others uh in recognition
uh of a healthy tree being removed due

511
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:12,880
to uh the work uh initiated by the town.
I I believe that this is something that

512
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:16,720
actually speaks to exactly the intent uh
of the policy that councelor Hicks

513
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:20,400
brought forward and council passed that
I mean nobody wants to cut down a tree

514
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:23,520
that we don't have to like full stop. We
would like we do everything in our power

515
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:26,400
to avoid it. If we were putting a fence
on a property land which is the

516
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:30,960
recommended place to put a fence to
delineate ownership and it re and it

517
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:36,160
required a tree but maybe not both to be
cut down. Um, I would say that we should

518
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:39,760
replant two of the same species in as
near a proximity as we could. Uh, that

519
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:43,520
would be my recommendation on that,
counselor, if if council doesn't want to

520
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:46,960
have a bump out and and entertain a
sale.

521
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:52,960
» Thank you for that, Matthew.
>> Thanks, Counc.

522
00:46:49,839 --> 00:46:57,839
Uh, thank you for your worship. Is David
still online or is David gone?

523
00:46:56,319 --> 00:46:59,760
» Three, Mr. Mayor. David is not on the
line.

524
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:03,200
» Okay. I reached out to him earlier
today. I wanted some clarification, but

525
00:47:01,359 --> 00:47:06,480
I was just trying to figure out we we
did to the neighboring property. I'm

526
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:10,960
trying to find I'd like just
verification what we did to sell him

527
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:15,839
that bit of land he wanted to do because
we got to we got to kind of stick with

528
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:21,200
our town's best practice. Um in my
opinion anyways. Um it is it is a class

529
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:28,640
two land,
but we can't uh we can't do one without

530
00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:34,000
doing for everyone. So, that's just my
uh my way of thinking. And I had one

531
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:39,520
more. These pear trees, I I didn't see
here how big they are. Are they Are they

532
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:44,480
something that could be um could have
somebody specially come in with a uh a

533
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:47,680
tree spade and relocate these trees? I I
don't know how big a pair of tree gets.

534
00:47:45,839 --> 00:47:53,520
I I drove by a couple of times. I
couldn't see them. So, thank you.

535
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:56,720
» Go ahead, Mr. Grant. See if you can uh
>> Mr. I I don't know the answer to that,

536
00:47:55,040 --> 00:48:02,480
but we can certainly investigate if they
can be relocated. Uh in terms of land,

537
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:09,520
um I would say that there's a very clear
process um by how council can dispose of

538
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:13,920
uh land that it owns. So, first part of
that would be to declare uh a piece of

539
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:16,880
property surplus. You can declare a
whole property. You can decide that

540
00:48:15,359 --> 00:48:22,319
there's an element of a property and you
need to reservey it and and and parcel

541
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:27,920
it out. Um and so if it doesn't have
access uh to um you know public roadway

542
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:31,680
or something else uh it would be deemed
class two because there's only a few

543
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:35,599
properties that would abut that that
could buy that. Um that is a very

544
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:41,119
prescribed process in the land sale
bylaw. Um so we would offer that to

545
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:45,200
anyone if they came forward. Normally uh
we would only offer surplus lands and

546
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:50,640
extenduating circumstances you would
have to declare it surplus. So there'll

547
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:56,319
be uh additional steps towards that. Um
and as for uh removing the tree and

548
00:48:53,280 --> 00:49:01,119
relocating it, I can certainly uh ask
the team um and we could we could come

549
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:04,359
back uh with that information if that's
of interest.

550
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:14,319
» Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Grant. I think
madam clerk is going to weigh in here, I

551
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:19,599
think. Then I'll go back to you dep.
And I I did just want to add to confirm

552
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:23,839
that um I believe it was last year uh
council did go through the class 2 land

553
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:28,559
sale process with the neighbor um and
that uh property owner purchased the

554
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:31,839
land from the town at the set value in
the policy and was responsible for all

555
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:36,480
the legal transfer fees for that
transaction.

556
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:40,240
» Thank you, Madam Clerk. That's been very
helpful. Go ahead, Deputy May.

557
00:49:38,319 --> 00:49:43,040
» Uh thank you, your worship. I I I
thought that's what we what had taken

558
00:49:41,839 --> 00:49:49,200
place. I just was looking for a
refresher and then thank you madam clerk

559
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:53,599
for that. Um yeah m uh Mr. Grant I'd
like to see some sort of report brought

560
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:58,800
back before we make any decisions as to
if if these trees could be movable and

561
00:49:56,240 --> 00:50:02,960
what the cost would be at that. I mean,
um, if we go with what we've laid out in

562
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:07,040
past, which I believe we should stick to
what we've done in the past, uh, class 2

563
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:11,280
lands, you're saying it's worth
approximately $890,

564
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:17,040
but then the cost to do the transfer of
the, um, surveys and stuff could be

565
00:50:14,319 --> 00:50:21,839
between 5 and 7,000. That's a a big
chunk to pay for a little land to save a

566
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:25,520
couple of trees if, in fact, for maybe
$2,000, they can be plucked from the

567
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:29,760
ground and and replanted. I don't know.
just worth looking at every option

568
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:34,559
before we just decide to throw this out.
Thank you.

569
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:38,079
» Thank you, Mayor G. Mr. Grant.
>> So, through you, Mr. Mayor. If that be

570
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:43,680
the will of council, I would recommend a
motion on that to uh direct that staff

571
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:47,750
go and and find out uh if it is feasible
to relocate the trees and then come back

572
00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:50,319
and and address this at another
>> [clears throat]

573
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:54,400
» uh at another time.
>> Uh thank you, Mr. Crank. Go ahead,

574
00:50:51,839 --> 00:51:00,559
Councelor Shank. Now, Matthew, this this
might like sound a simple question, but

575
00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:06,400
uh
did he not own

576
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:09,920
that land where those trees are
or they were with all the subdivision

577
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:13,839
and with the Mil House pond and
everything else and the lot line ended

578
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:18,400
up being there? I'm just trying to get
in my mind why did he plant the trees so

579
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:22,000
close
to the lot line if he wanted to keep

580
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:25,440
your line? if he wanted to keep the
trees and he planted them, why wouldn't

581
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:29,119
he plant them further on his own
property?

582
00:51:27,839 --> 00:51:32,720
» So, for you, Mr. Mayor, I don't know
that I can speak to the mindset of

583
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:37,680
someone else and and choices that they
made. Um, what I will say is it's not

584
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:42,240
terribly unusual for people not to be
100% familiar with where lot lines are.

585
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:46,640
We've we've had other cases where
structures have been built, fences have

586
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:51,920
been built, that sort of So my so what
my what I'm trying to understand is is

587
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:57,359
that why would the municipality change a
boundary line when so therefore you I

588
00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:02,160
mean where somebody else planted some
trees all right I'm sorry if you wanted

589
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:05,760
to keep those trees you put it on
yourself but also his one of his

590
00:52:04,319 --> 00:52:09,119
requests are that if you have to take
him out he'd like to get paid $400 a

591
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:14,880
tree.
All right. So, all I'm saying is is

592
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:18,000
it doesn't, you know, I don't understand
what you where you guys are going. Like,

593
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,800
if I wanted to plant some trees, I would
make sure that they're on my own

594
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:24,000
property. All right? I can't complain
about it afterwards when go, "Oh, so

595
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:29,599
bad. They're mature trees. I want you to
pay because it's not on my I planted

596
00:52:25,839 --> 00:52:35,119
them not on my own property." So, uh,
good fences, good neighbors. So, I don't

597
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:40,240
know why you want to go down through.
I'm not willing to sell. It's the

598
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:44,800
people's. It's it's not your own
individual land. It's the taxpayers's

599
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:49,040
land that 5T. It could be used for
trail. It could be used for other things

600
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:53,680
that whatever it might be. All right.
For that cost because somebody planted

601
00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:58,800
trees on your own land on not his own
land. All right? So

602
00:52:57,119 --> 00:53:01,520
I don't understand the rationale behind
this whole thing. So as far as I'm

603
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:04,720
concerned, you know, this is where the
fence is going and everything else. And

604
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:07,680
if it happens to be on the edge, well be
on the edge. If he wants to move them,

605
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:11,760
he can move them. We'll let we'll grant
him that. But that's where the fence is

606
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:14,800
going. Have a nice day. You're going to
have to buy a couple more trees and

607
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:18,559
we're not paying you $400 cuz we hit the
tree because you planted them on the

608
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:22,559
wrong side of the property. You know,
like

609
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:25,839
that's just that's the way I look at it.
Maybe I'm the bad boy, but that's the

610
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:30,400
facts.
>> Yeah. Go ahead, Mr. Grant.

611
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:34,776
» Uh so it's you, Mr. Mayor. Uh at this
point in the evening, I'm going to

612
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:36,797
remind Michael that he owes me $50. Um,
[laughter]

613
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:45,280
but what what I would say is I won't
dispute your logic, counselor. I I won't

614
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:51,680
um I uh the land in question is ours.
The incumbrance uh on the lot line that

615
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:56,800
is ours uh we didn't put there. Uh I
would not be in favor of renumerating

616
00:53:53,440 --> 00:54:02,559
somebody um for infringing on property
that isn't theirs. Um I think if the

617
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:06,960
trees can be moved, fair enough. I don't
disagree that we offer the opportunity

618
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:12,800
for someone else to remove the trees and
pay for that. But what I would say is is

619
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:21,359
council has already
um created a mechanism by which we would

620
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:25,760
ensure uh tree canopy in perpetuity. So
if we have to remove a tree and and

621
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:31,440
we're working on this as we speak, we
will plant two trees uh in the absence

622
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:34,800
and we would do that with any uh the
policy would be such that we would do

623
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:41,520
that with any tree that is removed that
is healthy um and is removed because we

624
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:46,319
are doing work um will replace them. Um
and I think that would uh be here and

625
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:49,680
and if council wants to sell the
property they can. If they don't want to

626
00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:54,079
sell the property they don't have to.
Um,

627
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:58,800
yeah, I'll leave it there.
>> Councelor Martin.

628
00:54:55,839 --> 00:55:02,800
» Thank you, Mayor. Um,
I don't think anybody is advocating we

629
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:08,960
sell him that land for a dollar like he
wanted. He should pay the same as

630
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:16,400
everybody else does for class 2 land. Um
but

631
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:21,119
um counselor Shank I I think in town a
lot of people eyeball their lot line and

632
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:26,240
they'll print shrubs and trees on it and
I got a feeling that's what happened

633
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:30,559
with these but 15 20 years ago and it
wasn't intentional to put it on town

634
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:36,640
land. It was he was probably thought he
was putting it on his own land. So, it's

635
00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:40,640
that close. If you look at that that uh
sketch, it looks like the one tree is

636
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:46,720
right on the red line and the other
one's just inside on it. So, anyway,

637
00:55:43,359 --> 00:55:51,440
just just wanted to add that. And and um
like I say, nobody's advocating we do

638
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:58,400
what he wants to sell it to him for a
dollar. Um absolutely not. And uh we

639
00:55:55,599 --> 00:56:05,720
certainly wouldn't pay him $400 per tree
either, but uh that's just what he

640
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:05,720
wanted asking. doesn't mean we should.

641
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:12,160
» Thank you. Uh, councelor Martin, uh,
councelor David

642
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:15,680
» through you, mayor. Um, I guess looking
at it, the way I see that chunk of

643
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:19,040
ground, like it doesn't look like it
carries a whole lot of value for the

644
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:23,599
town itself as far as that retention
pond area and whatnot. There's still

645
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:29,440
room to do more work in there. So, like
staff recommendation, bump the fence to

646
00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:32,799
east, make a make an offer of fair fair
market value, pay that. If he's not

647
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:36,480
interested, give him the chance to move
the trees under his own dollar. Other

648
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:40,079
otherwise, we'll look after it. The
fence is going where it was initially

649
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:44,400
intended and the trees will have to be
moved and we'll plant four new trees on

650
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:48,880
the retention pond property and and move
on. It seems fairly straightforward to

651
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:53,680
me and that's a I don't know, that's
just how I see it.

652
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:56,400
» Thank you, Councelor Davey. I think you
might have took some of the words out of

653
00:56:54,960 --> 00:57:01,680
my mouth here, so thank you for that.
Um, is there anything else?

654
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:05,599
uh saying that and I'll just weigh in
briefly. I mean I I like uh like what

655
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:11,119
Sean had to say is is that we've got a
process. We got it to and and we we've

656
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:14,640
literally just gone through that process
probably

657
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:17,920
uh months prior to where it's a very
similar type of thing where there's a

658
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:22,240
small sliver piece of land. It it made
sense to to sell it to the neighboring

659
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:28,400
land owners. It's a class two piece of
property. Um, and so it made sense, but

660
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:32,799
that loan landowner at the time decided
that they were going to pay the cost to

661
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:36,480
get that it was worth him. It was worth
that cost to do that. So, I don't think

662
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:42,319
we should venture too far away from
that. So, um, I I like what Sean has to

663
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:47,680
say is that we we we direct staff that
we say, listen, this it is a a type two

664
00:57:45,359 --> 00:57:50,880
or class two piece of property. This is
what the rules are around that. will

665
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:56,480
give you that opportunity to buy that 5
ft. But that's your responsibility to do

666
00:57:53,200 --> 00:58:01,440
that. And and he's he's going to make a
decision, I think, as to whether that's

667
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:04,480
going to be worth it or not. If it's not
worth it, and we need to take the the

668
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:08,000
trees out of there, then uh you know,
we'll do what we do best, which is we'll

669
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:10,960
make good for it because we'll plant two
trees for every tree that we take down

670
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:16,319
because that's what we said we're going
to do. Um but I think we we put uh we

671
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:22,240
give the the landowner the opportunity.
I I know that I think he planted those

672
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:26,079
trees 15 20 years ago. Um um he he seems
to be attached to those trees, but we

673
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:30,480
give him the opportunity to take uh to
to buy that silver land. Um and and and

674
00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:33,040
we have to keep in mind that if that's
the direction that we're going to go, we

675
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:37,119
still do have to go through the the
surplus property. So there there is some

676
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:43,680
time left here to go through this that
um uh if anybody has a change of heart,

677
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:49,200
then we can still deal with it. So, um I
I like uh the first option there, which

678
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:53,200
is to proceed with the next steps uh uh
for the class 2 piece of property. Uh in

679
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:57,119
that amount of time, it will give him
the opportunity and us the opportunity

680
00:58:54,960 --> 00:59:01,119
as well to see whether or not it's these
trees can be um can be removed and and

681
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:05,599
if they are, then that's great. And if
they can't be, then uh um at least we'll

682
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:12,079
get the landowner the opportunity to to
do that. So, um that would be my

683
00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:16,799
suggestion. And uh um I have it as I
think madam clerk is the first option

684
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:21,040
that we have and and okay thank you uh
councelor Davey and I think hearing is

685
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:24,960
that council direct staff to proceed
with the next steps in the consideration

686
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:29,599
of the class 2 property sale with no
reduction to the established valuation

687
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:33,280
rate for class 2 land sales and a final
decision regarding whether to declare

688
00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:38,559
the land as surplus and approve a class
2 sale be made following the public

689
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:42,240
notice period. So we do have to go ahead
madam cler

690
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:46,559
» through your worship we do and I I
recognize that I wrote that earlier

691
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:51,040
today but on reflection
if the land owner is not willing to pay

692
00:59:48,799 --> 00:59:56,640
any money for this uh the town may not
want to bother um doing that public

693
00:59:54,720 --> 01:00:02,160
notice and incurring those expenses. So
it may be prudent to direct staff to

694
00:59:59,359 --> 01:00:06,960
advise um the land owner of council's
direction and if he's amendable to

695
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:10,720
proceeding then we do the public notice.
Um

696
01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:13,440
» and and I I guess again once again I
assumed and I shouldn't assumed I

697
01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:18,079
assumed that probably staff would come
back to us and say listen uh the

698
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:23,920
landowner doesn't want to do that. So um
maybe we we bring this back to council.

699
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:30,119
So um did you wish to reward that uh
that uh recommendation or do we just add

700
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:30,119
that on the bottom of this one?

701
01:00:39,876 --> 01:00:41,896
» [clears throat]

702
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:49,200
» I guess the easy thing is is that we we
give uh staff direction to um

703
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:55,359
» to communicate
>> to communicate council's uh um direction

704
01:00:52,960 --> 01:01:00,240
to the land owner and then to bring back
a report at a future date once we have

705
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:03,760
uh the direction from the land owner as
to how he would like to try and proceed

706
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:10,280
with this.
And I know that Madame Clerk can word

707
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:10,280
Smith this much better than I did.

708
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:27,359
So through your I think we could have
the council direct staff to communicate

709
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:31,040
that the town is willing to initiate the
class 2 land sale process with no

710
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:38,880
reduction to the established evaluation
rate for class 2 land sales.

711
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:43,760
um and to uh report back to council on
the response from the land owner as well

712
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:47,680
as feasibility of tree relocation if
council wanted to include that as well.

713
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:53,359
» Yeah. And and I think so I think uh in
order to do our due diligence I think we

714
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:58,079
can put that in there as well. So
councelor Davyy is that sort of how our

715
01:01:56,559 --> 01:02:01,440
conversation went? I think through
>> you may yes that sounds good to me.

716
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:06,079
» Perfect. And we do have a secondary and
council shank. Is there any further

717
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:09,680
comments, questions, or concerns with
respect to that motion that's on the

718
01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:13,760
floor?
Seeing none, all in favor of the motion

719
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:18,160
that's on the floor? Opposed? The
motion's carried. Thank you. Uh,

720
01:02:15,839 --> 01:02:22,480
everyone, uh, moving on to growth and
infrastructure zoning GIS mapping

721
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:26,559
enhancement.
And this matter, I believe, is going to

722
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:30,160
be deferred, madam clerk, to the 22nd of
September meeting. Am I correct there?

723
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:33,680
through your ship. Yes, that's correct.
>> Okay, we'll put that under unfinished

724
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:38,960
business. And that takes us into the
administrative consent agenda.

725
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:43,520
Start off council minutes. Regular
session of council July 28th, 2026.

726
01:02:41,359 --> 01:02:47,680
Special session of council August 11th,
2026. Is there anything in those

727
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:52,480
anything in those minutes that anyone
would like to uh have any discussions or

728
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:57,680
comments about?
Seeing none, uh, recreation advisory

729
01:02:54,880 --> 01:03:00,960
committee, trail uh, development
advisory committee, waste diversion

730
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:03,839
committee, the market square advisory
committee. Is there anything in those

731
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:06,640
minutes that anyone had any questions or
comments about? And uh, go ahead,

732
01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:10,920
councelor Martin.
>> Thank you, mayor. um

733
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:22,079
the um in the waste diversion minutes.
Plus, I wanted to make an announcement

734
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:27,039
about the uh um what we'll be doing um
September the 12th.

735
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:31,119
Um
here at town hall, we'll be giving out

736
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:38,240
blue boxes. The waste diversion
committee is going to set up um um a

737
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:43,200
table with uh information brochures on
uh the new items that can be recycled.

738
01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:49,200
And uh also uh like I say, we're going
to give out uh blue box containers to

739
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:53,920
the first 100 people that come that day
to to receive them. That's all we have

740
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:58,319
to give out. So I just I just want to
stipulate that everybody's not going to

741
01:03:55,280 --> 01:04:04,000
get one. If they're 101, they're going
to be out of luck, I'm afraid. But uh um

742
01:04:01,359 --> 01:04:08,799
it's it's going to be uh September the
12th here at the market square and uh

743
01:04:06,559 --> 01:04:15,280
the diversion committee, myself
included, will be set up here and uh

744
01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:19,920
we'll we'll uh try to um encourage you
to do more recycling. Um if you want to

745
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:24,559
talk to us about ideas about uh
composting, uh anything you want to talk

746
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:30,720
about, we'll be here to discuss it. But
uh hopefully you'll show up on the 12th

747
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:34,640
of September. Um the market, farmers
market will be going at the same time.

748
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:40,160
We may be set up at the back, we may be
at the front. We're not uh 100% sure of

749
01:04:37,359 --> 01:04:43,599
that, but uh we will be here. So I just
wanted to make that announcement first

750
01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:47,440
of all.
Um that's all I had on the waste

751
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:51,359
diversion
uh committee. May there

752
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:56,160
» great thanks uh council Martin, deputy
mayor.

753
01:04:53,680 --> 01:05:00,559
» Uh thank you your worship. Uh so
speaking on behalf of the uh trail

754
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:05,760
development advisory committee um we've
got off uh got off our first meeting uh

755
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:10,400
both feet hitting the ground and running
and our second meeting we just held.

756
01:05:07,839 --> 01:05:14,480
We've uh appointed a chair and a uh
deputy or vice chair and we've come up

757
01:05:13,119 --> 01:05:19,359
with some really good ideas which I
think will be coming back to council uh

758
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:23,280
some coming back this evening for uh
some of the recommendations that we've

759
01:05:20,799 --> 01:05:28,720
come up with and I just wanted to say
that uh this trail [clears throat]

760
01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:33,119
committee is uh it's just an honor to be
sitting on it and working with them

761
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:36,319
because everybody's all rowing in the
same direction. It's it's just a

762
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:40,559
fabulous group of people we've put
together for this. Thank you.

763
01:05:38,799 --> 01:05:44,640
» Great. Thanks, uh, Deputy Mayor Coll. Go
ahead, Council Martin.

764
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:51,599
» Thank you, Mayor. Um, just on on the
trails, u portion there, I'm with the

765
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:56,799
sensitive use. Um, I I just wanted to
get uh Madame Clerk's opinion on that if

766
01:05:54,640 --> 01:06:01,200
I could.
>> Through your staff report later this

767
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:05,280
evening where we can discuss that.
>> Okay. Okay. because I I was just

768
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:12,240
curious, but I know the committee's
suggesting uh it be added to our uh to

769
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:17,200
our bylaw. So, I just I'm I'm always
concerned about the homeless situation

770
01:06:13,839 --> 01:06:22,960
in um in Springside Park. So, I'm I'm
finding, you know, if a trail can be

771
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:26,960
designated sensitive use, certainly our
park can be too. So, I'm just that's

772
01:06:25,119 --> 01:06:29,760
where I'm going with this. I'll I'll
leave it at that, though.

773
01:06:28,319 --> 01:06:32,640
» Yeah. We'll uh we're going to circle
back to that bill. We're gonna have a

774
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:37,520
discussion about that. So um that's
probably the best place to to deal with

775
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:43,039
that. So um is there anything else with
respect to the committee minutes?

776
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:47,039
Seeing none uh correspondence for
information items dated August 25th,

777
01:06:45,599 --> 01:06:51,760
2026. Is there anything in those
correspondence anyone would like to pull

778
01:06:49,039 --> 01:06:56,480
out or have a conversation about or draw
attention to? Seeing none, uh

779
01:06:54,640 --> 01:07:01,200
proclamation request National British
Home Child Day. Uh, is there anything in

780
01:06:58,559 --> 01:07:03,920
that uh report that anyone would like to
say anything about? And uh go ahead,

781
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:09,839
Bill.
>> Thank you, Mayor. Um,

782
01:07:06,799 --> 01:07:16,640
again, I um I want to thank the mayor
and council for for actually doing the

783
01:07:12,799 --> 01:07:22,720
proclamation. It's it's always my uh
privilege and I I because of my personal

784
01:07:20,799 --> 01:07:29,359
situation with my own dad being one of
the British home children. Um

785
01:07:26,559 --> 01:07:35,599
I always every year uh enjoy doing this
uh to to honor not just my dad but there

786
01:07:33,359 --> 01:07:42,000
was thousands of people that came and
settled right in the Napony and Alana

787
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:46,960
area. So, I just want to honor the those
people who who, like I say, settled here

788
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:52,720
in Napony. And right now, there's
literally I think there's four or five

789
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:58,240
million people in Canada um that are
descendants of uh the British home

790
01:07:55,760 --> 01:08:05,359
children. So, um
again, my porch light will be on uh

791
01:08:01,359 --> 01:08:09,920
September 28th. And uh I I'm I'm very
proud and happy that uh everybody is uh

792
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:13,119
doing this proclamation. Thank you,
Mayor.

793
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:17,679
» Great. Thanks, uh Council Martin.
Greatly appreciate it. And again, it's

794
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:21,040
always nice to uh hear firsthand
knowledge. Sometimes we see the

795
01:08:18,799 --> 01:08:24,400
proclamations, they come in and and and
their words on paper sometimes, but it's

796
01:08:22,719 --> 01:08:29,839
nice to hear the real life stuff. So,
thank you for that. Um the executive

797
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:32,560
services activity report, August 2026.
Is there anything in that executive

798
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:38,560
services report that anyone had any
questions or comments about?

799
01:08:35,199 --> 01:08:42,560
Seeing none, uh the greater napony fire
department activity report July 22nd to

800
01:08:40,480 --> 01:08:46,239
August 2nd, 2026. Is there anything in
that report anybody had any questions or

801
01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:53,040
comments about? Councelor Shank.
>> Uh uh with great delight. uh our fire

802
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:57,600
chief Sean uh our fire chief has come up
with maybe a solution to solve you know

803
01:08:55,279 --> 01:09:02,080
the alarm activations and especially and
the burn complaints which is 31 out of

804
01:08:59,759 --> 01:09:08,799
the 58 calls that I assume that came out
of that area. So uh when I got the

805
01:09:04,719 --> 01:09:12,319
recent email I went that's my chief. So
uh I just want to say kudos to you

806
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:15,920
looking at alternative ways of you know
what I mean of what we can do and what

807
01:09:13,679 --> 01:09:20,480
we can't do to save things and and still
provide a a top-notch product. So, thank

808
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:26,400
you.
>> Great. Thanks, Councelor Shank. Um,

809
01:09:24,719 --> 01:09:29,199
parks, recreation, and culture activity
report. Is there anything in that report

810
01:09:27,839 --> 01:09:34,799
anyone had any questions or comments
about?

811
01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:40,480
Seeing none, um, financial and IT
services activity uh, activity report

812
01:09:37,679 --> 01:09:44,960
for August of 2026. And, uh, go ahead,
councelor or deputy mayau.

813
01:09:42,799 --> 01:09:50,480
» Actually, uh, worship, I did want to
speak on the parks and recreation. Um, I

814
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:55,040
just wanted to thank uh Mr. Brown and
his staff. I see the works underway uh

815
01:09:52,719 --> 01:09:59,040
to do the to the repair on the uh town
dock and that's great to see it. It's a

816
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:03,600
I know it's been a very trying uh time
to get any work done on that um due to

817
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:08,080
high waters and busy schedules of
everybody involved. I want to say thank

818
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:12,880
you very much for getting it going.
>> Great. Thanks uh deputy mayor Calvert.

819
01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:17,199
Uh so the financial and IT services uh
activity report is that report that uh

820
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:23,120
anyone had any questions or comments
about I'm sure Mr. Grant will be able to

821
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:29,120
help us out on that one too maybe.
Uh seeing none um the access E11 July

822
01:10:27,199 --> 01:10:32,880
2026 report. Is there anything in that
report that anyone had any questions or

823
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:37,120
comments about?
Seeing none. So we'll look for a motion

824
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:42,000
that the minutes of the regular session
of council Jul dated July 28th, 2026 and

825
01:10:40,719 --> 01:10:44,960
the special session of council dated
August 11th, 2026 be adopted as

826
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:47,840
presented. That the minutes of the
recreation advisory committee, trailer

827
01:10:46,480 --> 01:10:53,280
development advisory committee, waste
diversion committee uh Marco Square

828
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:57,280
Advisory Committee of July 2026
and August to August 13, 2026 be

829
01:10:56,080 --> 01:11:01,840
received for information that the
correspondence for information items

830
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:05,760
dated August 25th, 2026 be received. The
council endorsed the proclamation

831
01:11:03,199 --> 01:11:09,840
request for the National British Home
Child Day and that the activity reports

832
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:14,080
for executive services, financial and IT
services, fire department and parks and

833
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:20,320
reculture for the month of August 2026
and the access E11 report for July 2026

834
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:24,880
items 8.6 through 8.10 be received for
information. Moved by councelor Davyy,

835
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:28,880
second by councelor Shank. If there's no
further comments, questions or concerns,

836
01:11:26,719 --> 01:11:33,440
all in favor of that motion? Motion's
carried. items for consideration. I

837
01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:38,960
don't believe we have any of those,
madame clerk, if I'm not mistaken. So,

838
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:43,520
um, that gets us into the executive
services grass bylaw compliance order

839
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:48,120
0307.
And madam clerk, you're going to speak

840
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:48,120
to this

841
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:13,679
Good evening, your worship and members
of council. Um, at the July 28th

842
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:18,080
meeting, council heard a deputation and
requested a report back. So, the report

843
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:26,239
before you covers a number of areas.
that covers the um specific context of

844
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:31,280
this order in question. Um as well as
the enforcement of the grass bylaw in

845
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:36,239
greater Napony more broadly. Um staff do
note that we are seeing a we're seeing

846
01:12:34,159 --> 01:12:42,080
an increasing trend across the board in
requests for enforcement of bylaws as

847
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:47,760
people become more familiar with using
the E11 tool to submit requests. Um but

848
01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:53,520
grass does remain one of our
consistently in our top five areas where

849
01:12:50,320 --> 01:13:00,159
residents request um enforcement action
to be taken. Um

850
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:04,800
staff do acknowledge that the bylaw is
over 25 years old. When we look at our

851
01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:10,800
other comparators, it's it's definitely
the oldest um bylaw in that list and we

852
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:16,560
would recommend that it be looked at.
However, because it it affects everyone,

853
01:13:13,199 --> 01:13:20,640
and we know that there's very strong
feelings and opinions about what's

854
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:24,239
important to have in a grass bylaw, we
think it's really important to do

855
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:29,440
extensive um public consultation and get
community input um for for a council to

856
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:33,199
hear what the residents of Greater
Napony feel is important to them to have

857
01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:39,280
in a grass bylaw, which is why we
recommend um that that decision be a

858
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:43,360
recommendation that the next term of
council look at it very early, ideally

859
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:49,520
before the next enforcement season
begins, but that that not be something

860
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:54,719
that we try to rush through uh in the
last couple months of this term. Um just

861
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:58,000
because it is
just about every property in town has

862
01:13:56,400 --> 01:14:03,040
some form of grass on it and so it's
something a lot of people we should give

863
01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:07,600
them the opportunity to to participate
in that conversation.

864
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:12,880
Um
we do discuss the um

865
01:14:11,199 --> 01:14:18,719
the decision that was made by the
superior court earlier this year. Um

866
01:14:16,480 --> 01:14:23,600
where there is a charter right around
personal expression uh that can be made

867
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:27,520
through lawns particularly through the
decision to naturalize lawns which

868
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:32,800
speaks to personal values. Um the
court's decision really indicated that

869
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:38,560
if a municipality is is going to enforce
a grass bylaw, it needs to be able to um

870
01:14:36,159 --> 01:14:44,239
have policy reasons why that is
necessary as well as ensuring that it

871
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:50,640
has taken a a minimally impairing
approach. Um

872
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:56,239
lots of Ontario municipalities are still
working through what exactly that means

873
01:14:52,880 --> 01:15:00,239
in their specific local contexts. Um, we
do note in the report that eastern

874
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:04,000
Ontario does have a higher prevalence of
Lyme disease and blacklegged ticks than

875
01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:10,800
maybe other areas of the province. And
that is certainly a valid consideration

876
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:15,360
in a grass bylaw as well as um making
sure that

877
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:19,600
a lot of bylaw enforcement is making
sure that neighbors can live with each

878
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:24,880
other. uh that one person's right to use
their own property doesn't um cause

879
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:33,679
negative impacts or unreasonably
negative impacts to the people uh who

880
01:15:27,679 --> 01:15:38,239
are also living in that same area. Um
again, there's several options here

881
01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:42,960
before council for consideration. Um
whether you want to tackle updating this

882
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:48,000
bylaw now, defer that to the next term
of council, and whether what you want to

883
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:53,280
do with this specific order. um whether
it be set aside for the remainder of

884
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:56,880
this year with an understanding that the
property will that's not an exemption

885
01:15:55,040 --> 01:16:04,880
forever and the property will be subject
to whatever new rules may or may not

886
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:10,080
come into effect in the future. Um
but staff are happy to respond any

887
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:15,840
questions the council may have on this.
>> Great. Thanks uh madam clerk. Uh who

888
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:17,840
wants to start?
You're

889
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:23,520
» Yeah. Go ahead. Councelor Shank,
>> that has to be addressed. All right. The

890
01:16:20,239 --> 01:16:29,120
key is is with the bylaw,
what one does, everybody has to do. What

891
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:34,239
I find is that I I'm in agreement with
the staff recommendation under one point

892
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:40,880
that I think we should reduce is the
buffer zone from 15 ft to 10 ft. This

893
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:45,120
alleviates any other min any other areas
of naturalization that we currently

894
01:16:42,719 --> 01:16:50,880
have. All right. that's bordering to
somebody that wants to keep their lawn

895
01:16:48,159 --> 01:16:55,120
as as a lawn. All right? So, you don't
have that [clears throat] grass or weeds

896
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:59,600
or whatever it might be over on that
property. So, a 10-ft buffer, what

897
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:04,400
they're suggesting, I feel is a very
much of a compromise. And in the

898
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:08,800
meantime, over the winter time in the
new council, Jessica will be coming up

899
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:13,520
and drafting a new bylaw, something that
is

900
01:17:10,480 --> 01:17:19,280
palatable for everybody, whether they're
the new council wants to have no

901
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:23,440
naturalization or some naturalization or
what they would like, but it gives

902
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:27,840
everybody in the municipality
that can have a voice towards it and go

903
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:31,679
through that.
So everybody will have a say whether

904
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:35,840
they do or they don't. Do they does the
municipality want it or not want it? All

905
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:41,920
right. So this is kind of a happy
medium. So as far as I'm concerned, uh

906
01:17:39,199 --> 01:17:48,400
it's a fair approach. I agree with the
municipality, but all we're asking for

907
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:53,679
is a 10 ft buffer zone that with the
reasons what uh just get already done.

908
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:57,120
So and I'll move that staff
recommendation.

909
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:59,920
» Yeah. Great. Thanks. Uh, thanks
councelor Shank. We'll see if anyone

910
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:05,679
else wants to weigh in. I'll weigh in
and then I'll look I'll come back to you

911
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:13,520
for that uh for that motion. So, um, is
there anything else before I weigh in?

912
01:18:10,239 --> 01:18:16,520
Uh, councelor Martin. Thank you, Mayor.
Um,

913
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:24,400
just just the fact that we're going to
be reviewing our bylaw and producing a

914
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:27,920
new bylaw, I'm assuming, although maybe
not. Maybe it'll be the same as the old

915
01:18:26,159 --> 01:18:33,520
one, but I just think if there's going
to be a staff review,

916
01:18:30,239 --> 01:18:39,040
um, this order to mow should be
suspended and until that's done and we

917
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:43,840
have a new bylaw in place. So, that
would be my recommendation. Uh, I know

918
01:18:41,440 --> 01:18:51,360
it's not staff recommendation, but uh,
that's my recommendation. I I I

919
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:58,239
just feel that um, naturalization has to
has to have some weight in this. Um,

920
01:18:55,840 --> 01:19:05,199
some people uh I know are worried about
ticks, but I I and they're worried about

921
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:10,800
noxious weeds. But sometimes
sometimes you have to go beyond

922
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:15,520
those things to I mean it's very
important that we also have pollination

923
01:19:13,440 --> 01:19:21,120
with our bees and with our butterflies.
It's so I I'm the opposite of some

924
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:27,120
people's view on this and uh I would
just recommend right like I say

925
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:31,840
suspending this order temporarily until
it's reviewed and a new ballot comes

926
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:35,840
forward. That's that's about the best I
can say right now. Thank you.

927
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:40,560
» Great. Thanks uh councelor Martin. Go
ahead councelor.

928
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:44,719
» Um just briefly uh I pretty well agree
with councelor Martin. We have to look

929
01:19:42,719 --> 01:19:50,320
at each case. As we've said with the
wetlands and whatnot that the case by

930
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:53,920
case, this is not the same. This this
this lady's piece of property I want to

931
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:59,120
look at is not the same as Robert and
Water Street. That is a mess. That

932
01:19:56,400 --> 01:20:03,280
should be cut. But they can't say now
that's a wild land cuz it's not. That's

933
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:06,640
just one example. So she's done
something proper. I think we she should

934
01:20:04,719 --> 01:20:12,000
be put on hold until a new bylaw comes
out. And uh again look at them case by

935
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:19,199
case. That's that's my opinion. Great.
Thanks, uh, councelor Nori. Um, is there

936
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:22,640
anything else? Uh, before I weigh in,
uh, seeing none, I, uh, I, I, I, I, I,

937
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:26,640
I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,
I, I, I have to agree with Councelor

938
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:33,199
Shank. Um, I I think what we're doing
here is taking a very measured approach.

939
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:39,679
I don't think we are in a position to
completely discredit

940
01:20:35,679 --> 01:20:46,320
the risk of the blacklegged tick.
And the reason I say that is is because

941
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:53,520
back in it's become a
public safety issue at some point

942
01:20:48,000 --> 01:21:00,800
because um back in April of 2025,
the Southeastern Health Unit put out a

943
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:04,480
release that identified that the risk of
encountering the blacklegged ticks. And

944
01:21:02,719 --> 01:21:07,120
I I'll just read parts of it. And and I
know that there's uh there's folks out

945
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:10,800
there that have the ability to find
this, but the risk of encountering

946
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:16,000
blacklegged ticks in the southeast
region, which where we are, is very high

947
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:20,400
compared to the rest of the province. So
it's it's we're in a part of the the

948
01:21:18,239 --> 01:21:26,880
world that this is a very prevalent
public health issue. Uh that was in

949
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:31,040
April of 2025. In May of 2026, uh they
they've released again the health unit,

950
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:34,159
the the the Southeastern Health Unit has
released and said that the warm weather

951
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:39,520
is here. The Southeast Public Health
Unit is reminding residents that the

952
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:46,400
region is an established high risk for
blacklegged ticks. So, they've they've

953
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:50,480
reconfirmed that we have an issue here.
we have a problem here that uh that

954
01:21:48,626 --> 01:21:55,840
[clears throat] we all know has the
ability to to to spread the the Lyme

955
01:21:53,679 --> 01:22:01,120
disease.
throughout um throughout my readings, I

956
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:08,639
was able to obviously I I went on to the
the province of Ontario's website um

957
01:22:04,159 --> 01:22:14,480
that talks about um ticks, Lyme disease,
uh avoiding uh tick bites and and and

958
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:19,040
the link is is within I I thank Madam
Clerk because Madame Clerk has been so

959
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:22,880
gracious to put that link in the staff
report that we've seen in that uh so

960
01:22:21,679 --> 01:22:26,800
when you go to the link and you click
it, it talks about maintaining your

961
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:31,679
property And it says you can help keep
blacklegged ticks away from your

962
01:22:28,480 --> 01:22:38,560
property by and the first note is
keeping grass mode short.

963
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:43,920
So it's [clears throat] very highly d uh
documented that um

964
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:48,719
we have a problem here. it's a
high-risisk area and and that's uh one

965
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:52,880
of the ways in order to to remedy the
problem and it's not going to make I

966
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:57,040
think we're all not uh [sighs]
naive enough to know that it's not going

967
01:22:54,400 --> 01:23:01,840
to completely but it's going to mitigate
the problem with with the blacklegged

968
01:22:58,639 --> 01:23:06,560
ticks is is to keep some grass cut. So
we as a council have to consider and and

969
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:11,280
we are we're taking into consideration
the naturalization. I think we are

970
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:14,800
because uh uh we we've we've seen the uh
the case law at least I have and I've

971
01:23:13,440 --> 01:23:20,000
read through the case law and the case
law is somewhat helpful but it's not

972
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:24,719
completely helpful because the case law
doesn't address public health or safety

973
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:28,159
issues which I'm assuming in the city of
Missaga they don't have the same issues

974
01:23:26,480 --> 01:23:33,280
that we do at the in the town of Greater
Napony or in the southeast health unit

975
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:39,120
area catchment area. So um while it's
helpful, it it is case law that uh we we

976
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:44,639
have to be cognizant of, but it doesn't
completely cover the issues that we have

977
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:48,480
here. And I think uh um we have to keep
in mind that there is a public health

978
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:51,600
issue with respect to the blacklegged
ticks and the Lyme disease in our in our

979
01:23:50,239 --> 01:23:55,840
catchment area. So how are we going to
how are we going to rectify that and how

980
01:23:52,960 --> 01:24:01,120
we going to remedy that? Um I I agree
with councelor Shank that um a buffer

981
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:05,440
zone which also in the documentations
from the province it it talks about uh

982
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:10,480
buffer zones and at one point it talks
about even considering placing uh when

983
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:14,159
you have u uh equipment uh swings and
playground equipment and that types of

984
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:20,080
thing of placing wood chips or mulch and
the foundation of that to try and help

985
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:28,080
to um to mitigate the fact of uh of the
issue of of the blacklegged tick. So, um

986
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:31,520
I think the buffer zone um is the most
appropriate thing to do and and and like

987
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:36,719
I say, we have to not only take into
consideration those folks that uh wish

988
01:24:34,239 --> 01:24:40,320
to have naturalized lawns, but we have
to take into the the consideration the

989
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:45,600
rest of the population as well that may
come in contact with a blacklegged tick

990
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:50,639
and get bit. So, um I have to agree with
councelor Shank with respect to to uh

991
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:55,600
what he's saying. I think we owe it to
our community to ensure that we have

992
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:59,920
done everything that we could do in
light of the fact that we are cognizant

993
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:05,440
and same as every other municipality in
this province is cognizant of the fact

994
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:09,679
that their their bylaws with respect to
grass cutting probably should be

995
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:12,639
reviewed and I and I have to think uh um
with the with the extra time that we're

996
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:16,880
going to have now as we're moving into
into the winter season or the fall

997
01:25:14,159 --> 01:25:20,320
season um it's going to provide us an
opportunity to to have a robust

998
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:24,639
conversation with respect to cutting
grass. It's going to provide us the

999
01:25:21,679 --> 01:25:32,800
opportunity to to come up with a uh an
updated a a very um thorough

1000
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:38,534
bylaw which is going to take into
account uh all the citizens. So, uh,

1001
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:41,120
having said that, um, and and I guess
[sighs]

1002
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:44,800
what I should also and and I want to
make sure that we we we we've dotted all

1003
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:51,760
the eyes and cross the tees here, but,
uh, um, there has been a large number of

1004
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:58,239
correspondence that get, uh, um, um,
received and supported through quite a

1005
01:25:55,920 --> 01:26:06,080
few of the 444 municipalities in this
province. uh asking the province to to

1006
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:10,639
get engaged in in the um the assistance
of trying to solve the Lyme disease

1007
01:26:08,239 --> 01:26:15,360
problem that we have. So, and I think uh
I think we all know that the best way of

1008
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:21,280
resolving the Lyme disease problem is
not getting Lyme disease. So, um and and

1009
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:24,000
that uh and I don't have unfortunately I
don't have that documentation in front

1010
01:26:22,719 --> 01:26:30,320
of me tonight, but I know that I could
find it fairly quickly. uh and I noted

1011
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:34,000
it that it's uh not only been um
received and supported by municipalities

1012
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:38,639
in the rural areas, it's been received
and noted and and supported by

1013
01:26:36,239 --> 01:26:44,159
municipalities in northwestern Ontario
as as well as uh those in the GTA area.

1014
01:26:41,199 --> 01:26:50,400
So, um I I think we we need to do our
due diligence on this at this point and

1015
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:54,400
uh um provide some form of a buffer,
which I think 10 ft is is probably the

1016
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:59,760
fair amount as we've heard in in
previous reports that uh the 15T buffer

1017
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:05,840
zone is is a buffer zone that is being
used by a municipality that's close to

1018
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:09,280
us. Um I think uh which which which
would be fine but I think the 10-ft

1019
01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:14,080
buffer zone would be sufficient to in
order to provide the uh the public

1020
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:18,320
safety that I think uh we need to
provide with respect to this. So having

1021
01:27:16,719 --> 01:27:22,320
said all that is there anything that
anyone else would like to comment uh and

1022
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:26,719
I'll put it back because I've obviously
talked a lot this evening. Um is there

1023
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:29,920
anything else anybody would else would
like to say before I uh ask councelor

1024
01:27:28,719 --> 01:27:33,679
Shank to make a motion? Go ahead deputy
mayor cover then I'll go to councelor

1025
01:27:31,199 --> 01:27:39,040
Martin. Thank you through your worship.
So just for the public out there

1026
01:27:35,679 --> 01:27:44,719
listening, our current bylaw, which is a
law, states grass must be cut entire

1027
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:50,880
yard.
What I'm hearing and understand from the

1028
01:27:47,679 --> 01:27:56,000
report I've read is that we're going to
not go with a 15t buffer zone, but a

1029
01:27:53,199 --> 01:28:01,120
10-ft buffer zone.
That's acceptable for now until we have

1030
01:27:58,480 --> 01:28:06,960
a chance to review our bylaws.
So, we are making a bit of an adjustment

1031
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:12,080
to our bylaw [clears throat] for this
particular piece of property

1032
01:28:09,679 --> 01:28:16,400
until such time
we get a chance to review everything and

1033
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:21,040
review it thoroughly, which I think is
is more than fair. Thank you. Thanks,

1034
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:26,159
Deputy Mayor Calver. And go ahead,
councelor Martin.

1035
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:30,880
» Thank you, Mayor. um
through you. Um

1036
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:36,239
can [clears throat]
since we are going to be reviewing our

1037
01:28:32,480 --> 01:28:40,560
bylaw and there could be changes uh to
it and in view of the fact that there's

1038
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:43,920
cold weather coming, there's going to be
snow covering the ground. I don't think

1039
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:53,239
anybody's going to get any ticks from
that, can we not suspend this order to

1040
01:28:47,679 --> 01:28:53,239
mow until that bylaw is reviewed?

1041
01:28:56,480 --> 01:29:04,400
Uh we we as a council obviously
councelor Martin can uh do whatever

1042
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:09,520
forehands say we do when they put it in
the air but uh um I think we just need

1043
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:15,040
to remind everyone that uh the issue
with the tick population unfortunately

1044
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:18,800
um a number of years ago the cold
weather used to kill them off but

1045
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:21,840
unfortunately that doesn't exist anymore
so that doesn't kill them off and and

1046
01:29:20,239 --> 01:29:28,159
and from my understanding any of the
research I've done on it is that uh even

1047
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:33,760
the uh even the winters that we have
here aren't sufficient enough to keep

1048
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:40,480
them at bay. So um that's my
understanding of it anyways. So but uh

1049
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:46,800
like I say we can uh I'll I'll entertain
uh councelor Shank's motion and then

1050
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:50,000
we'll go from there. So thank you.
I'll say one final thing if you go ahead

1051
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:54,560
counc
>> the way I look at it council Martin

1052
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:58,800
councel nory is that the bylaw currently
states you have to cut your whole lot

1053
01:29:56,560 --> 01:30:03,440
all right it's a residential not not
fully developed residential subdivision

1054
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:09,840
all right it's in a residential
subdivision so we have for the we had I

1055
01:30:07,440 --> 01:30:17,520
think minimum of 60 complaints just in
the south of different lots all right

1056
01:30:13,199 --> 01:30:21,920
that the bylaw had to do uh most of them
or pretty well all of them have done

1057
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:26,639
theirs.
I understand the proponent who's went

1058
01:30:24,239 --> 01:30:30,080
ahead and said, "Hey, I've I've got a
you know, I don't lived in the

1059
01:30:28,239 --> 01:30:34,960
countryside all the time, but I have a
I've made a natural lawn here with this

1060
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:40,960
that to teach my kids and everything
else, which he has a valid point."

1061
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:48,800
But all I'm saying is is that if a 10-ft
boundary, all right, because if you let

1062
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:51,920
this lady go 100% and not have a buffer,
what about the proponent that's right

1063
01:30:50,159 --> 01:30:56,719
beside it that wants to have their lawn
cut perfectly?

1064
01:30:53,840 --> 01:31:03,840
So 10 ft out of the acreage that she
has, all right, on this I feel is a a

1065
01:31:01,199 --> 01:31:06,880
fair and approachable,
you know what I mean? something that's

1066
01:31:05,199 --> 01:31:11,840
protecting the neighbors and other
locations also and this location. All

1067
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:16,239
right. And it's something that's that's
uh you're not going ahead and cutting

1068
01:31:14,159 --> 01:31:19,679
the whole lot especially when you have a
valid point and this should be

1069
01:31:17,440 --> 01:31:23,679
addressed. We are going to address this
in the meantime. You're setting a

1070
01:31:21,440 --> 01:31:27,840
precedent. Also, if you have a natural
lies and you have done the work that the

1071
01:31:25,440 --> 01:31:32,239
lady has done, you have to have a buffer
road to protect your neighbors also. You

1072
01:31:30,480 --> 01:31:36,880
can't just let leave your yard into
natural because the next neighbor beside

1073
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:41,600
might not like that. So you have to take
that under consideration also. That's

1074
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:47,280
the reason why I feel this is a fair and
measured approach of what we're doing.

1075
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:52,320
So that's why it's proud. There we go.
>> Great. Thanks uh councelor Shank. Uh we

1076
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:55,840
do have a recommendation. I think it was
staff recommendation that you wish to uh

1077
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:58,880
with the the minor modification. And
I'll read it so everybody is aware of

1078
01:31:57,199 --> 01:32:03,600
it. That council receive for information
executive services grass bylaw review

1079
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:07,520
and compliance order 0307 report. And
further that council direct that no

1080
01:32:05,199 --> 01:32:12,320
changes be made to the grass bylaw at
this time, but that a recommendation to

1081
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:16,080
review the bylaw in advance of the next
enforcement season be presented to the

1082
01:32:14,239 --> 01:32:21,120
next term of council. And further that
the council direct the compliance order

1083
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:26,400
0307 be upheld and modified to require a
buffer zone of 10 feet to be mowed on

1084
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:31,840
the southeast south and east boundaries
of the lot to a height below 10 in with

1085
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:37,600
an exception of the any wet land areas
and with a compliance deadline of the

1086
01:32:34,159 --> 01:32:42,639
8th of September 2026.
And you'll make that by way of motion.

1087
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:47,840
And we have a seconder with councelor
Davyy has is the seconder. Is there any

1088
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:50,400
further comments, questions, or concerns
before we call for the vote? Council

1089
01:32:49,679 --> 01:32:55,520
Martin,
>> can we have a recorded vote, please?

1090
01:32:52,639 --> 01:33:00,880
» Uh oh. Yeah. Oh, Madam Clerk is out
here. So, yeah. Uh, Madame Clerk, if if

1091
01:32:58,239 --> 01:33:05,440
there's nothing else, um, uh, I'll turn
it over to you.

1092
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:07,920
» All right. Um, Ward One, Councelor
Shank.

1093
01:33:06,159 --> 01:33:09,760
» W three, Councelor Davey.
>> Ward four, councelor Nory,

1094
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:11,840
» no.
>> Ward five, councelor Martin,

1095
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:14,719
» no.
>> Deputy Mayor Caliber,

1096
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:17,199
» yes. Mayor Richardson.
>> Yes,

1097
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:20,880
» that motion's carried.
>> Great. Thank you uh thank you folks and

1098
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:26,159
thank you uh madam clerk for doing that.
So moving on to the next matter,

1099
01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:31,120
financial and IT services OCIF funding
support resolution. And

1100
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:34,120
Mr. Murphy, you're going to speak to
that.

1101
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:48,320
uh through your worship. I I don't have
a whole lot to add to the report in

1102
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:53,840
front of you. Uh I think it speaks for
itself in terms of the financial impact.

1103
01:33:51,199 --> 01:33:57,920
If OCIF was lost for the municipality,
uh it is not a small amount of money and

1104
01:33:55,760 --> 01:34:01,040
the projects it goes towards on an
annual basis. U if those funds were

1105
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:05,840
lost, I think it would have a major
impact on the municipality. Uh as to

1106
01:34:04,159 --> 01:34:09,840
what council wishes to do, that's
totally up to them in terms of um

1107
01:34:08,159 --> 01:34:14,000
whether they want to advocate or whether
they do not want to or the method they

1108
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:18,480
wish to do so. Um but staff feel that
this is a extremely important issue and

1109
01:34:16,239 --> 01:34:23,199
the financial impact uh would be
significant on the budget as a whole. Um

1110
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:27,040
so happy to take any questions if you
wish. Um but otherwise I'll leave it up

1111
01:34:25,679 --> 01:34:30,719
to you.
>> Thanks Nathan. Uh is there any questions

1112
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:34,560
or comments with respect to Mr. Nathan's
presentation of the report that's in

1113
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:37,360
front of us this evening.
Seeing none, we do have a recommendation

1114
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:40,639
the council receive for information the
financial IT services OCF funding

1115
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:44,800
support resolution report and further
council support the municipal finances

1116
01:34:42,480 --> 01:34:49,440
finance officers association of Ontario.
The MFOA requests that the province of

1117
01:34:47,440 --> 01:34:53,840
Ontario make a permanent make permanent
the doubling of the Ontario Community

1118
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:59,280
Infrastructure Fund funding from 200
million to 400 million annually

1119
01:34:55,920 --> 01:35:01,760
beginning in 2027 and that a copy of the
resolution be forwarded to the Premier

1120
01:35:00,639 --> 01:35:04,400
of Ontario, the Minister of
Infrastructure, Minister of Municipal

1121
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:07,920
Affairs and Housing, the Minister of
Finance, the Minister of Finance

1122
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:11,199
Officers Association of Ontario, the
Association of Municipalities Ontario,

1123
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:16,320
the Member of Provincial Parliament for
Hastings, Lennoxx and Anington and

1124
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:21,120
Ontario municipality Nice. Moved by
councelor Davyy, seconded by councelor

1125
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:25,920
Nory. If there's no further comments,
questions, or concerns, all in favor of

1126
01:35:23,199 --> 01:35:30,320
that motion? Opposed? Motion's carried.
Trails Development Advisory Committee

1127
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:34,520
initial recommendations. And Mr. Grant,
uh, when you're ready, the floor is

1128
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:34,520
yours.

1129
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:56,239
Thank you. And through your your worship
uh to members of council, this is uh the

1130
01:35:54,000 --> 01:36:01,199
first set of recommendations from the
trails development advisory committee.

1131
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:07,360
Um so the committee as uh the deputy
mayor has pointed out has met twice. Um

1132
01:36:04,159 --> 01:36:13,040
they have uh broken down their work uh
into uh a number of different areas. Um

1133
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:18,239
so they're going to uh go over
everything from

1134
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:22,880
uh safety and security to amenities uh
and the like. So they've they've put out

1135
01:36:20,159 --> 01:36:25,520
a a pretty robust uh work plan, safety,
security issues, amenities and

1136
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:31,440
accessibility, recommended service
levels and promotion of the trails.

1137
01:36:28,639 --> 01:36:37,120
Um in going through their first uh and
second meetings, the committee had a few

1138
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:44,880
recommendations uh that they wanted uh
council to consider. Um with respect to

1139
01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:48,800
the trail and those I would suggest um
uh should council adopt some of those

1140
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:54,400
recommendations, um some of them would
need to go to the budget process. Um but

1141
01:36:51,600 --> 01:37:00,320
the committee itself
um felt that the new in town trails

1142
01:36:58,080 --> 01:37:05,040
um should have encampment protocol
restrictions around it. Now I point out

1143
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:10,080
the encampment protocol already covers a
a significant portion of the in town

1144
01:37:07,440 --> 01:37:14,159
trails. Some of the trails are on public
property like uh streets and sidewalks

1145
01:37:12,480 --> 01:37:20,080
and that wouldn't uh that would already
be covered. Uh some of them uh there

1146
01:37:17,119 --> 01:37:23,280
would be um and I'll ask madam clerk to
correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe

1147
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:31,440
it's um [clears throat]
uh 3 m or 3 feet on either side.

1148
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:35,760
» I think madam clerk wants to weigh in
there first. Matthew,

1149
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:40,239
» sorry. Ju just to clarify through your
worship. Um

1150
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:44,639
right now because there's no trail,
there's an existing buffer setback of 10

1151
01:37:42,719 --> 01:37:49,119
meters from the private property line.
So the the middle where the rails were

1152
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:55,119
could technically have an encampment on
it. I believe that once a trail is built

1153
01:37:53,040 --> 01:38:00,800
the buffers will overlap to the point
that the entire area will be a sensitive

1154
01:37:57,440 --> 01:38:04,080
use anyway without making any bylaw
amendments. But the my understanding is

1155
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:07,600
the recommendation is the trail
development committee just wanted to

1156
01:38:05,199 --> 01:38:13,360
make extra sure because it will be the
trail itself plus 5 m on either side

1157
01:38:11,119 --> 01:38:18,960
plus the 10 m coming in from the private
property line is very likely uh covering

1158
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:25,040
that whole area
and thank you. Uh there may be uh a

1159
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:28,000
small area or two along that trail that
would not be covered by private

1160
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:37,679
property, but the vast majority of it
will be or would uh touch on uh the

1161
01:38:32,480 --> 01:38:43,119
distance from uh a cemetery. Um so uh
with that uh we could uh be directed to

1162
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:47,360
look at any remaining areas and that
should go through uh an encampment

1163
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:51,840
protocol review process. I would suggest
uh that council welcome ebikes and e-

1164
01:38:49,679 --> 01:38:55,199
scooters uh onto the town trail and
ensure where appropriate speed limits

1165
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:58,400
are in place. That the town consult with
the OP on a minimum number of security

1166
01:38:57,119 --> 01:39:02,239
cameras that be considered for
installation on the town trails. That

1167
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:05,440
council consider laying uh the
appropriate conduit during trail

1168
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:09,920
construction to accommodate any lighting
and security cameras that might be

1169
01:39:07,119 --> 01:39:13,760
required. And the town explore funding
opportunities uh through grants to

1170
01:39:11,440 --> 01:39:18,480
support all trail amenities. uh and
staff looking at this. Um a lot of great

1171
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:23,199
ideas coming out of the trail
development advisory committee. Uh I

1172
01:39:21,199 --> 01:39:27,199
would uh as the sitting staff member
there offer the following reflections.

1173
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:31,119
Um
the we could expand sensitive use

1174
01:39:29,199 --> 01:39:35,199
designations to the periphery of in town
trails. Uh I think that should be part

1175
01:39:33,199 --> 01:39:39,360
of a broader review process and as the
clerk has mentioned much of it is

1176
01:39:37,119 --> 01:39:46,239
already covered but there will be the
odd pockets uh that may have uh some

1177
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:49,679
areas that we may want to look at. um
that but it should be in the in the

1178
01:39:47,679 --> 01:39:53,679
broader context. I believe that council
defer the promotion acceptance of e-

1179
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:57,840
scooters and ebikes on in town trails
until such time as it decides on whether

1180
01:39:55,600 --> 01:40:02,880
it wishes to permit the use of the VI
bylaw which is required by provincial

1181
01:40:00,239 --> 01:40:06,800
legislation. Uh that council directs
staff to consult uh with the OP on the

1182
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:11,360
appropriate location for security
cameras. that council directs staff to

1183
01:40:09,199 --> 01:40:15,679
include estimates for solar lighting and
remote security cameras on the in town

1184
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:19,679
trails as part of the 2027 budget
process. I think we can meet their

1185
01:40:17,440 --> 01:40:25,119
intent without necessarily
um putting in conduit uh at this point

1186
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:29,119
in time. Uh and that uh council direct
staff to include trail amenities as a

1187
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:33,679
focus in its 2027 grant acquisition
strategy. Um and with the grants uh

1188
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:38,159
strategy coming forward um that will
make a ton of sense. Uh, with that, I'm

1189
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:40,960
happy to answer any questions. And, uh,
in your report, you'll have the

1190
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:45,440
recommendations that the committee made
up top, uh, staff's reflections

1191
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:50,480
underneath. And what I would recommend
is council may want to have each

1192
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:53,840
recommendation in a separate motion.
>> Thank you, Mr. Grant. Uh, councelor

1193
01:40:52,480 --> 01:40:57,679
Nori,
>> just quickly, the one I'm opposed to

1194
01:40:56,000 --> 01:41:00,719
till we have more legislation is the
ecooters on those things. I'm going to

1195
01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:06,000
be bringing up something under
inquiries. I don't want to double double

1196
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:09,920
dip but without lights and dark and
these things I know under the law the

1197
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:15,119
road can't go above 24 km an hour but
cakes had a fellow going 77 and it's

1198
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:19,920
facing a lot of charge so I would like
to see that one scrapt there for now

1199
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:24,719
until we don't eliminate mo mobility
things but uh it's very slippery slope

1200
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:29,760
if you're not too careful that would
just be my only suggestion for now

1201
01:41:28,159 --> 01:41:32,960
» thanks councelor and I think that's
that's part of the recommendations is to

1202
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:40,400
defer that. And and I mean I agree with
you because this whole ebike scooter

1203
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:43,840
scenario is is is
um evolving I guess is the best way to

1204
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:47,840
put it. So but I think I think the
recommendation if I'm not mistaken, Mr.

1205
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:50,560
Grant, was to defer that anyways until
there's some clarification. But I'll let

1206
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:55,520
you speak to that.
>> Sure. Uh thank you your worship. So, um,

1207
01:41:53,840 --> 01:42:00,239
the way that the the committee
recommendation sheets are, um, laid out

1208
01:41:58,639 --> 01:42:04,239
is the committee's recommendations are
on top, staff's reflections are on the

1209
01:42:02,719 --> 01:42:08,960
bottom. My reflection is that you should
defer that until such time that council

1210
01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:14,520
makes a decision on the broader, uh,
escooter situation, which would be

1211
01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:14,520
required anyway.

1212
01:42:14,719 --> 01:42:22,639
» Yeah. Perfect. So, uh, thank you, Mr.
Grant. Is there anything else? M I think

1213
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:24,880
councelor Martin was gonna make this up
here.

1214
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:29,199
» Um
Mr. Grant, I I I agree with most

1215
01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:33,679
everything and and thank goodness that
we're working towards finishing the in

1216
01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:40,080
town trail. It's going to be wonderful.
Um certainly agree with lighting and

1217
01:42:36,159 --> 01:42:45,280
cameras. Um [sighs]
the sensitive use issue is a big deal

1218
01:42:42,639 --> 01:42:50,880
for me. I'd love to see it as sensitive
use on the trail as well, but I got

1219
01:42:48,719 --> 01:42:54,560
Springside Park that I'm really
concerned about right now. I'm really

1220
01:42:53,119 --> 01:42:59,679
concerned about the children playing
down there right now. There's people

1221
01:42:57,199 --> 01:43:04,320
walking their dogs,
children running and playing in our

1222
01:43:02,239 --> 01:43:09,600
Springside Park. And that's not a
sensitive use area.

1223
01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:13,440
It should be. So, I'm saying if we're
going to put sensitive use on the

1224
01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:17,679
trails, Springside Park should be
sensitive use as well. And there's

1225
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:22,719
there's something's got to change here
because I'm going to be awful upset. I'm

1226
01:43:20,159 --> 01:43:28,800
I'm really really ticked off right now
what's going on down there. But anyway,

1227
01:43:25,199 --> 01:43:32,080
I I'll leave it at that for now.
>> Thanks. Uh thanks, Councelor Martin. Go

1228
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:37,679
ahead, Mr. Grant.
>> Three, Mr. Mayor and Council Martin. I

1229
01:43:33,679 --> 01:43:41,679
share your concern. I do uh the um not
only the impact on the citizens but the

1230
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:46,560
impact on on the services that citizens
pay for is is significant. Um and as

1231
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:53,440
well the the individuals living there
are are also not having a a great time

1232
01:43:49,679 --> 01:43:57,760
of it. So given that I um if there is a
concern about looking that in isolation

1233
01:43:55,199 --> 01:44:02,400
and I would agree that that's fair. Um
there may be an opportunity to review

1234
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:06,320
the sensarium more broadly as part of
the annual education program that we're

1235
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:11,280
doing. You you could also take a look at
the legislation and that um with the

1236
01:44:08,719 --> 01:44:15,679
indication from
uh the morning star mission that they

1237
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:20,480
intend to move. Uh their service
functions may also shift. Um there has

1238
01:44:18,719 --> 01:44:27,280
been some preliminary discussions about
expanding their services. Um you know

1239
01:44:24,159 --> 01:44:33,760
and and if they uh expand those services
to a point or the county expands those

1240
01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:39,360
services uh to a point where um there is
a shelter or some shelter spaces in

1241
01:44:35,679 --> 01:44:47,199
town. uh town council has the ability to
revisit the amount of sensitive use

1242
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:51,600
areas that uh exist because the balance
um and that's what it's all about is

1243
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:57,679
balance with when with in the absence of
shelter space we have to

1244
01:44:55,440 --> 01:45:05,040
air on the side of caution. there does
seem to be shelter space with a move and

1245
01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:08,880
that that may happen um then I think we
would be in a position to re-evaluate.

1246
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:13,679
We we still wouldn't be able to protect
everything but we may be able to expand.

1247
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:17,360
So I would suggest councelor Martin that
that would be appropriate to address

1248
01:45:15,440 --> 01:45:24,119
those concerns to move it to a broader
review so we don't look at anything in

1249
01:45:19,119 --> 01:45:24,119
isolation if that's the will of council.

1250
01:45:24,719 --> 01:45:30,480
» Go ahead, Bill.
>> Thank you, Mayor. Um, thank you,

1251
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:34,960
Matthew. I I I think you hit on it right
there. A broader review would uh would

1252
01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:42,239
uh be better because if we are going to
look at sensitive use area, a trail,

1253
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:45,520
it's absolutely asinidine to not include
Springside Park down there. I mean,

1254
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:50,000
we've got visitors going down there,
hundreds of them every day. I I wouldn't

1255
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:55,360
even be surprised if it it would hit a
thousand people down there. and and

1256
01:45:52,480 --> 01:46:01,600
there's kids walking with I've I've
picked up needles myself off the ground

1257
01:45:58,639 --> 01:46:05,840
and and took them to a needle drop off.
I It's dangerous for kids. It's

1258
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:10,480
dangerous for people being down there in
that park. So,

1259
01:46:08,480 --> 01:46:15,360
this gives me a perfect opportunity to
complain about that with this with the

1260
01:46:12,480 --> 01:46:19,280
trail. So, uh and and I'm not against
that on the trails either because I I

1261
01:46:17,280 --> 01:46:23,840
believe me and I know it's a problem
everywhere. Everybody's

1262
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:28,320
really ticked off with what's been going
on with the tents and the and the

1263
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:34,080
homeless conditions and sort of thing.
Residents, taxpayers, they can't use

1264
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:39,280
their park because of of what's going on
and that's not fair to them. So, and I

1265
01:46:37,119 --> 01:46:44,320
know I know it's county and it's
province and and we our hands are tied

1266
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:49,360
and I know I understand I understand all
that, but I'm just saying sensitive use

1267
01:46:46,719 --> 01:46:54,639
if we can use that in the park as well
as the trails, you're going to make a

1268
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:58,560
lot of people happy. So, there you go.
>> Yeah. Go ahead, Mr. Mayor.

1269
01:46:56,639 --> 01:47:04,400
» So, thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'd say
councilman, I agree um that there's a

1270
01:47:01,040 --> 01:47:09,119
lot of concern. Uh I would say that uh
Greater Napony has gone further than

1271
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:13,920
most in terms of protection. Uh so
conservation park in its entirety uh is

1272
01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:19,600
off limits and we've we've had great
success in making sure that we've

1273
01:47:16,080 --> 01:47:23,600
minimized um conflicting use in those
areas. Um you know there's been a few

1274
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:29,280
other areas where we've had a tremendous
success. uh we've been able to partner

1275
01:47:26,480 --> 01:47:38,239
with um social service agencies and law
enforcement and and and I would say that

1276
01:47:32,480 --> 01:47:43,760
in the event um that there is um a
proper shelter option in town um I'm

1277
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:49,840
cautiously optimistic we might see that
in the future. I know that uh you know

1278
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:55,520
the Morning Star Mission is in in their
move is is looking at their options. I

1279
01:47:52,159 --> 01:48:00,480
think the county has been um in on those
discussions and and supportive of

1280
01:47:57,840 --> 01:48:05,679
Morning Star Mission's uh broader
mandate. I can't say too much cuz it's

1281
01:48:02,480 --> 01:48:10,800
not u my discussion to have, but um so
I'm keeping an eye on that situation

1282
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:19,520
very closely and and appreciating that
um many council members would like to be

1283
01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:24,159
um protect as much area as we can. Um if
there if the situation changes where we

1284
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:28,000
can strike different balance because
there's more amenities available for

1285
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:32,159
those that are homeless, uh I will be
the first in line to bring that to you.

1286
01:48:33,199 --> 01:48:41,199
Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Grant. I I
appreciate what you're saying there. And

1287
01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:46,239
and uh I I know this council, this town
staff, everybody has done everything we

1288
01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:52,239
can legally do with the homeless
situation. But but it's important to say

1289
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:57,679
legally because we have to act within
the law. And unfortunately going back to

1290
01:48:54,800 --> 01:49:03,360
what is it 1982 or something when the
charter of rights come out or when and

1291
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:08,560
you know um it's affected what we're
doing here today actually I I believe so

1292
01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:13,280
anyway
what we can do with ringside park I I'm

1293
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:18,400
I'm I'm happy to hear that at least it's
going to be in the mix of of speaking

1294
01:49:16,159 --> 01:49:21,840
about it. So thank you very much. Thank
you mayor.

1295
01:49:19,360 --> 01:49:27,520
» Thanks Council. Go ahead Deputy May. Uh
thank you through your worship. Um just

1296
01:49:25,199 --> 01:49:32,080
uh
to uh Madame Clerk, I'm just wondering

1297
01:49:29,440 --> 01:49:35,520
what is the buffer zone for a trail and
is there a different buffer zone for

1298
01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:41,199
trail versus parking lot? Because I
think what the biggest complaint is that

1299
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:45,360
I'm hearing um at Springside Park is the
310 right along the edge of the parking

1300
01:49:43,119 --> 01:49:49,440
lot as you come down. If you want to
come down and enjoy your your lunch

1301
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:53,280
break and go for a walk, that's what you
see. I I just wondered if there's is

1302
01:49:51,280 --> 01:49:59,199
there a buffer zone from parking lots or
is it just from the trail itself?

1303
01:49:56,800 --> 01:50:06,159
» So through your worship under the uh
current bylaw this setback is on or

1304
01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:10,480
within 5 m of a walking path or trail
parking lot or designated pedestrian

1305
01:50:08,159 --> 01:50:14,639
access point. So it is the same buffer
for both.

1306
01:50:12,239 --> 01:50:20,239
» Okay. So they're definitely uh not the 5
mters from the parking lot. Thank you.

1307
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:24,239
and uh to councelor Martin, I don't
believe the county actually had a part

1308
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:28,480
in creating this problem, but we we do
have a problem and we are working at it.

1309
01:50:26,480 --> 01:50:34,760
Thank you.
>> Thank you. Uh Deputy Mayor Calary, is

1310
01:50:30,480 --> 01:50:34,760
there anything else?

1311
01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:39,920
Uh seeing none, we do have a
recommendation that uh council receive

1312
01:50:38,719 --> 01:50:43,600
for information the trails development
advisory committee initial recommend

1313
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:47,119
recommendations report and further that
council expand the sensitive use

1314
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:52,560
designation to the periphery of the in
town trails to those areas not already

1315
01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:55,600
captured by boundaries associated with
the recreational amenities and private

1316
01:50:54,239 --> 01:51:00,320
property that counts as a further
promotion or acceptance of e- scooters

1317
01:50:57,760 --> 01:51:04,560
and ebikes on in town trails until such
time as it decides on whether it wishes

1318
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:08,560
to permit the use of these vehicles by
bylaw as per the provincial legislation

1319
01:51:07,119 --> 01:51:12,239
that council direct staff to consult
with the OP on the appropriate location

1320
01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:16,159
for security cameras and in town trails.
That council direct staff to include

1321
01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:20,960
estimates for solar lighting and remote
security cameras on the in trails as

1322
01:51:18,480 --> 01:51:26,480
part of the 2027 budget process and
council direct staff to include trail

1323
01:51:22,719 --> 01:51:32,400
amenities as f as a focus of its 2027
grant acquisition strategy.

1324
01:51:30,239 --> 01:51:36,320
Uh moved by councelor Shank, second by
councelor Davey. Is there any further

1325
01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:40,400
comments, questions, and concerns with
respect to that motion?

1326
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:44,560
Go ahead, Mr. Grant.
>> So, uh, Mr. Mayor, just, uh, in

1327
01:51:42,639 --> 01:51:48,320
reflection of the conversation that
council's had, I think the only, uh,

1328
01:51:46,639 --> 01:51:53,360
amendment to that motion that I might
make, Mr. Mayor, is to defer, uh,

1329
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:58,040
protection of the trail to a broader
review process if that's the will of

1330
01:51:55,040 --> 01:51:58,040
council.

1331
01:51:59,199 --> 01:52:05,119
» Yeah, we do have a motion on the floor.
Um,

1332
01:52:03,440 --> 01:52:08,280
I'll go to them. I'll go to the movers
and the seconders.

1333
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:18,599
» Perfect.
>> Madam clerk, do you have what you have?

1334
01:52:23,199 --> 01:52:30,400
So through your just to be clear, the
first clause would be that council refer

1335
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:35,760
the request to expand the sensitive use
designation um to those that already

1336
01:52:32,719 --> 01:52:42,599
captured it to a broader review process.
Um I believe that's already been

1337
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:42,599
scheduled for this coming winter.

1338
01:52:44,480 --> 01:52:50,960
Over and second are good. Okay.
>> Is there anything further?

1339
01:52:49,599 --> 01:52:56,320
Not. We'll call for the vote. All in
favor? Motion's on the floor. Oppose.

1340
01:52:53,040 --> 01:52:59,840
Motion's carried. Um
information uh sorry bylaws. We don't

1341
01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:04,080
have any bylaws. Information reports for
members. I don't believe we have any of

1342
01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:08,960
them. Inquiries. Does any member do any
members of council have any inquiries

1343
01:53:05,599 --> 01:53:11,520
with respect to anything? Councelor Nor.
>> Actually, I had a information.

1344
01:53:11,118 --> 01:53:14,400
[laughter]
>> Well, we can

1345
01:53:12,239 --> 01:53:17,199
» first and I've got two inquiries. Let me
just talk. I tell you what, let's go

1346
01:53:15,360 --> 01:53:20,320
back to the information reports first
and then we'll go to the inquiries. I'm

1347
01:53:18,719 --> 01:53:24,800
going to let you have at her.
>> Thank you. I'll do my best to be quiet.

1348
01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:32,080
Um, from the arts committee, they had
the final Music in the Park on April

1349
01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:37,840
August 8th. I mean, very successful.
And I just segue into what was been said

1350
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:41,360
beside me. People were relaxed and happy
because they could enjoy their park. Not

1351
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:47,520
like last year. I'll leave that part at
that. But it was over 100 people. So

1352
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:51,280
they were very very happy. Thank you.
>> Great. Thank you. Um inquiries. You want

1353
01:53:49,920 --> 01:53:55,199
to go there too?
>> Yeah. Two. I think one you've already

1354
01:53:52,960 --> 01:54:00,000
addressed Mr. Grant, but I was bringing
up the escooters and that because the

1355
01:53:58,000 --> 01:54:03,360
provincial government has said it's
towns and municipalities responsibility

1356
01:54:01,679 --> 01:54:07,280
for those things except for speed. I
think it's 24 km an hour. And I'm

1357
01:54:05,599 --> 01:54:11,840
worried about liability if or if we
don't do something. And people are like

1358
01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:15,040
pinball or pin bowling pins on certain
sidewalks in different cities. I don't

1359
01:54:13,280 --> 01:54:19,520
want that to happen here. And I've seen
some adult-aged people acting like

1360
01:54:17,040 --> 01:54:25,280
children on them on our sidewalk. So,
are we looking into that? Um or are they

1361
01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:30,000
about what we can do? I know we won't
have enforcement, but to protect us

1362
01:54:27,280 --> 01:54:35,440
liable liability wise, are you looking
into that?

1363
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:39,679
» So, through you, Mr. Mayor, to uh to uh
the counselor. Um so, councelor Nor, I

1364
01:54:38,159 --> 01:54:45,199
would say we will absolutely look into
that. Um, so we would have to bring

1365
01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:48,239
forward a bylaw to to govern that in the
use of municipal spaces and it would be

1366
01:54:46,880 --> 01:54:50,880
our intention to do that in the new
term.

1367
01:54:49,440 --> 01:54:56,000
» Thank you. Cuz I know Kingston I don't
think allows them anywhere technically

1368
01:54:52,320 --> 01:55:01,040
but and the number two is um as we
talked about and I see that Kylie sent

1369
01:54:58,880 --> 01:55:05,520
out rough estimate what it to the media
what's costing for a 1388 bridge. I

1370
01:55:04,159 --> 01:55:09,760
don't expect to tell, you know, send out
the media regularly, but can we put on

1371
01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:13,599
our website possibly an update what it's
costing so the taxpayers aware and maybe

1372
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:17,679
some photos of what's coming out of
there so the public knows what's going

1373
01:55:15,679 --> 01:55:20,880
on because
maybe not the disgusting stuff, but you

1374
01:55:19,599 --> 01:55:24,400
know what I'm trying to say is if we
could just inform them more what's going

1375
01:55:22,480 --> 01:55:28,800
on so they can be more aware of why
we're doing what we're doing and what

1376
01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:33,360
it's costing them. Just an idea.
>> So, sure through you, Mr. Mayor. it is

1377
01:55:30,480 --> 01:55:37,280
our intention to put a a full release um
out on the completion of phase 2 and I'm

1378
01:55:35,199 --> 01:55:42,719
going to bring forward a full report but
uh since you've asked the question I can

1379
01:55:38,960 --> 01:55:47,920
say like um I expect that work for phase
one which was about 35 trailers that we

1380
01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:54,159
pulled out uh and phase two which would
be 100 cubic tons uh so 100 basically

1381
01:55:51,920 --> 01:55:58,719
tons of material coming out uh it's more
than we thought it's a settling tanks

1382
01:55:55,760 --> 01:56:03,280
it's propane propane tanks we found um
homemade septic fields and drug

1383
01:56:00,400 --> 01:56:09,920
paraphernalia. Um it's it's not it's not
a good scene. Um so that's come out. Um

1384
01:56:06,880 --> 01:56:14,400
phase one and phase two were were led to
local contractors by competitive bid. Uh

1385
01:56:12,639 --> 01:56:21,599
those contracts combined will be
anywhere between 120 and $145,000.

1386
01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:28,400
Um that's what I expect the bill to be.
Um in that neighborhood, uh we are

1387
01:56:24,159 --> 01:56:33,599
expecting permits for the property. Um
well, we require permits for a quanet

1388
01:56:30,480 --> 01:56:37,280
huts that that's there as well as uh a
mobile trailer where the property owner

1389
01:56:35,679 --> 01:56:41,920
was living. That's you can't have that
unless you have um a permit for uh your

1390
01:56:40,080 --> 01:56:45,599
construction single family home
deadlines have been given. No permits

1391
01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:51,199
have been received. I expect that there
will be a phase three and that material

1392
01:56:47,199 --> 01:56:56,560
has to be pulled out. Um so roughly we'd
be in the neighborhood of 150 to 160.

1393
01:56:53,840 --> 01:57:02,000
Um, a lot of that would be build back to
the all of it, the work of the contract

1394
01:56:58,880 --> 01:57:09,040
be back to the property owner as per uh
the the court order. What won't be uh

1395
01:57:05,280 --> 01:57:15,119
recouped is the loss capacity um that
the town has incurred. Um so we've had

1396
01:57:12,560 --> 01:57:21,520
uh the fire department there. We have
had um we have had bylaw services there

1397
01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:24,880
for the last two and a half weeks um
providing a level of security on site.

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There's been individuals that have been
moving in and out of what is actively a

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01:57:27,679 --> 01:57:34,080
construction site. Um, bylaw's also been
instrumental in pointing out things on

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01:57:32,400 --> 01:57:37,520
the property that can be removed per
court order and things that cannot be

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01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:41,360
removed. We are permitted to take
certain things off the property and not

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01:57:39,280 --> 01:57:45,679
others. Um, so they've been instrumental
in that. Uh, with that, members of the

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01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:48,800
community have had to suffer a lower
level of service uh for by law

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01:57:47,520 --> 01:57:56,239
enforcement because they've been
otherwise engaged. Um, so legal fees,

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01:57:53,520 --> 01:58:01,119
um, we've gotten recoup a percentage of
the legal fees to date, but we're not

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01:57:57,920 --> 01:58:06,239
going to recoup all of those. Um, so it
has been a massively significant

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01:58:03,119 --> 01:58:10,719
undertaking in what was an unsafe and
unsanitary situation that presented a

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01:58:09,199 --> 01:58:17,520
danger and a risk to the people that
were staying there. Um, and presented

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01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:21,679
candidly a public health risk. um to the
point we're going to have to call in the

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01:58:18,719 --> 01:58:25,840
Ministry of Environment uh for some of
the damage that has happened there. Um

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01:58:23,760 --> 01:58:31,119
so it is not a small thing. It's been
it's been expensive and the work that's

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01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:35,119
happened will be recouped uh one way or
another. The the court order also allows

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01:58:32,960 --> 01:58:39,199
us to place uh the cost of the
contractors on property taxes if the

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01:58:37,199 --> 01:58:45,360
money is not forthcoming. And the law
allows us to seize property if that's

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01:58:41,199 --> 01:58:52,480
not paid. Um but uh we were compelled to
act um cuz this was a unsafe, unsanitary

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01:58:49,280 --> 01:58:57,440
and and unjust.
>> Thank you very much. And uh I'm sure the

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01:58:55,040 --> 01:59:03,040
public will appreciate uh having an up
further updates as well. Thank you.

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01:59:01,199 --> 01:59:08,159
» Thanks uh councelor Nori. Is there
anything else? Go ahead, man.

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01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:11,199
» Sorry through your worship. I just want
to go back to the escooter question

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because I've been getting it a lot
lately as well. Um, so to clarify, if

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01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:20,400
the town does not have a bylaw that says
they're allowed, then they're not

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01:59:18,080 --> 01:59:23,520
allowed. And the town does not currently
have a bylaw. So we're in the same

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01:59:21,920 --> 01:59:27,520
position as the city of Kingston
currently. Um, just for clarity.

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01:59:26,239 --> 01:59:30,422
» Good. I wish the people would learn
that. [laughter]

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01:59:31,022 --> 01:59:36,320
[clears throat and cough] And I know
that uh well, and you probably know as

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01:59:33,440 --> 01:59:42,199
well, Bob, the OP is is they're working
on it and it's kind of frustrating them

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01:59:37,679 --> 01:59:42,199
as well because of the different uh

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01:59:42,400 --> 01:59:46,639
makeups of these type of things too. So,
I think there's a lot of work that has

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01:59:45,520 --> 01:59:51,199
to be done probably at the provincial
level to try and uh

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01:59:49,119 --> 01:59:55,199
sort it out. So, but thanks for bringing
it up. [clears throat] Uh is there

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01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:58,719
anything else as far as the inquiries
go?

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01:59:56,960 --> 02:00:02,159
Seeing none noticed emotions. I don't
believe anybody has any noticed

1433
01:59:59,760 --> 02:00:05,920
emotions. New business. I don't believe
we have any new business. Announcements.

1434
02:00:04,960 --> 02:00:12,080
Does anybody want to make any
announcements this evening?

1435
02:00:09,119 --> 02:00:15,199
Seeing none. Uh CEO's remarks. Mr.
Grant, did you have any remarks you

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02:00:13,440 --> 02:00:18,800
would like to make this evening?
>> Nothing for me this evening, Mr. Mayor.

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02:00:17,199 --> 02:00:20,960
» Uh thank you. The forward counter. I
know we've all had an opportunity to

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02:00:20,000 --> 02:00:25,679
take a look at that. Is there anything
in the forward code? Uh go ahead. Deputy

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02:00:22,960 --> 02:00:29,760
Mayor C. Just want to verify the uh
September 8th meeting for the for the

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02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:33,440
forward counter is at the Roblin Hall.
Is that correct?

1441
02:00:32,239 --> 02:00:37,040
» Through your worship. Yes, that's
correct. Our next meeting will not be in

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02:00:35,119 --> 02:00:40,639
this building. Don't come here. Uh we'll
be at Roblin. We will be live streaming

1443
02:00:39,040 --> 02:00:44,639
the meeting the same as we did when we
met at South Fred Hall.

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02:00:42,960 --> 02:00:47,119
» Thank you. I I seen that in there, but I
I thought when we were talking about

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02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:52,898
changing, I thought we were doing the
Selby Hall. That's why I was questioning

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02:00:48,639 --> 02:00:55,199
that. So, thank you.
[clears throat]

1447
02:00:52,960 --> 02:00:58,560
» Thank you. Madame Clerk, and thank you,
Deputy Mayor Galver. Uh, was there

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02:00:57,360 --> 02:01:02,719
anything else with respect to the
forward calendar?

1449
02:01:00,880 --> 02:01:06,400
Seeing none, we'll look for a motion to
uh for the bylaw to confirm the

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02:01:04,000 --> 02:01:09,679
proceedings of the town of for the
council of the corporation of town of

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02:01:07,679 --> 02:01:13,520
Greater Napony. Moved by Deputy Mayor
Calver, seconded by councelor Davyy.

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02:01:11,840 --> 02:01:18,719
Read a first, second, and finally pass
this 25th day of August 2026. All in

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02:01:16,480 --> 02:01:22,000
favor of that motion. Oppose. Motion's
carried. And motion to adjurnn. Moved by

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02:01:20,719 --> 02:01:24,320
councelor Davyy, second by councelor
Shank. There's no further comments,

1455
02:01:23,119 --> 02:01:28,880
questions, concerns. All in favor of
that motion? Oppose. Motion's carried.

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02:01:26,320 --> 02:01:28,880
Thanks, folks.