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Great. Welcome everyone to the town of

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Greater Napony regular session of

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council for the 25th day of August 2026.

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Just before we call the meeting to

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order, I just want to remind everyone

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this evening that this evening's meeting

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is being livereamed via our YouTube

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channel. So, welcome to those that are

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in the body of the council chambers this

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evening. Welcome to those that are

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watching uh tonight and welcome to those

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that will watch us at a later date. So

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having said all that, we'll call the

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meeting to order and we'll start our

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meeting uh with our opening proceeding

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which is a playing of the national

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anthem. So I'll ask those in the body of

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the council chambers to stand and face

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the flag as we play our national

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» Great. Thanks everyone. Uh just uh

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before we get going, we're going to uh

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deal with a closed session that we had

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earlier this evening. So I'll look for a

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motion to uh note rece [clears throat]

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or sorry to uh go into or to do our

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rising report from close session. Moved

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by deputy mayor Calver, second by

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councelor Shank if there's no further

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comments, questions or concerns. All in

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favor of that motion? Opposed? Motion's

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carried. I would like to report uh that

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in closed session this evening

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uh that council received for information

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the confidential appointments to the

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joint compliance audit committee report

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and further that council approve the

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recommended appointments and direct that

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a bylaw be brought to the September 8th

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2026 meeting for adoption. Uh look for a

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motion to note and receive that. Uh

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moved by councelor Nory second by depra.

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There's no further comments, questions,

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or concerns. All in favor of that

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motion? Opposed? Motion's carried. Uh

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the next matter is confidential

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SR1429-2026

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legal advice. The council received for

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information the confidential legal

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advice report.

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Moved by

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councelor Davyy, second by councelor

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Shank. If there's no further comments,

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questions, or concerns, all in favor of

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that motion? Opposed? The motion's

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carried. And I'm just going to back up

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because we do have some rising reports.

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Madam clerk, I think from August 11th

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and 25th, am I correct?

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» Through your worship. Yes. Uh since

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August 11th was only close session in

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the special meeting, we'll do the rise

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and report. Yeah.

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» Okay. So, having uh said

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» Uh this one here, right, right?

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» Uh we'll uh look for a motion to know

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and receive the confidential SR1434-2026

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land sale former Suttered Lands. that

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council receive for information the

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confidential land sale former sutter

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lands report and fur that council direct

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and authorized staff to proceed as

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directed in close session moved by

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deputy mayor calver second by councelor

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Martin if there's no further comments

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questions or concerns all in favor of

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that motion motion's carried and finally

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confidential SR1433-2026

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human resources report August 11th the

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council receive for information the

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confidential human resources report

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moved by councelor Nory second by

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councelor Martin if there's no further

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comments, questions, or concerns. All in

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favor of that motion? Opposed? Motion's

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carried. Uh look for a motion to adopt

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uh the agenda as presented. Move by

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councelor Davyy. Second by councelor

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Shank. If there's no further comments,

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questions or concerns. All in favor of

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that motion. Opposed. Motion's carried.

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Disclosure of pecuniary interest in the

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general nature thereof. Is there any

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disclosures of pecuniary interest this

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Seeing none, uh, deputations, schedule

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deputations, new items. I don't believe

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we have any, madame clerk. Uh,

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deputations item on the agenda. We do

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have one deputation, Jay Bogdanowitz.

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Miss Bdanowitz is here. And so, welcome,

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uh, Miss Bogdanowitz. Uh, I don't know

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if you've been here in person or not.

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The microphone in front of you, there's

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a button in the middle uh, says push.

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You just have to push it. Once the green

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light is on, the green light is on and

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we'll be able to hear you. but they have

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to have the green light on so the folks

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at home can hear you as well. So, um,

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whenever you're ready, the floor of

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» Okay, great. Thank you. Uh, thank you,

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uh, for allowing me to speak tonight.

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Uh, I appreciated the conversation, uh,

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at the last meeting very much. Um, and I

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appreciated that there was a unanimous

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interest in, uh, a bylaw review of, um,

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of, I guess, orders to mow tall grasses.

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Um, I also very much appreciated that

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two council members came to the property

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to see uh the garden that we are trying

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to naturalize and uh they spoke highly

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of it uh during the council meeting and

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um you know suggested that others uh

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could do the same as well on their

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properties. Um I appreciated the staff

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report that was turned around very

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quickly um and that was very thorough

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although I have a few questions about

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that report today.

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left wondering is that regardless of,

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um, you know, the praise I received from

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from the counselors, um, staff continue

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to recommend upholding the order to MO.

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Um, and so again, I'm here to, uh,

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request that the order is cancelled. Uh,

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and to just confirm again that this

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issue is causing a great amount of

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distress for for me and my family.

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Um, one of the things in the report that

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I found uh that was interesting that I

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wanted to highlight um was an

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interpretive direction that pollinator

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gardens and naturalized lawns could fall

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within the existing exemption for

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ornamental grasses that currently exist

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in the bylaw.

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that would protect our garden and others

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like it um as the bylaw update proceeds

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uh without rec without requiring council

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to wait until the next term to act. So I

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thought that was a kind of an

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interesting um let's not call it a

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loophole, but a kind of interesting

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interpretation um to address this issue.

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Um I'm also [clears throat] here to seek

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clarification about the report in

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particular. Uh the report recommends um

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mowing along two of my property lines,

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but it says that I I don't need to mow

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if if the area is a wetland and those

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property lines um contain cattails. And

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so in my interpretation, this is um you

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know part of a a storm water swale and

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considered a wetland or not.

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order is canled. Um, however, it kind of

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suggests that it could be opened up

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again um before the next term of

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council. Um, and so again, I'm here to

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humbly ask that the decision that is

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made today closes the issue for us until

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the bylaw can be updated.

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Um, the topic of t ticks and pests came

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up at the last meeting. Um, and uh, I

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wanted to refer to the letter that

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council has received by Joyce Hustlin,

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uh, who is a Thousand Islands master

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gardener.

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uh she wanted to um I guess point

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council to um a number of scientific

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papers that have been written on the

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issue and uh and if uh council proceeds

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with updating the bylaw encourage that

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those involved in that um that they

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consult the the latest scient scientific

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papers on the issue and in particular

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just to quote her um her letter she says

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that blackhead black sorry blacklegged

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ticks um and their abundance is driven

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by deer access white-footed mice

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populations and woodland proximity and

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it's um and plant height and mowing

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schedules do not quite um you know

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contribute to tick populations.

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Um and so finally just to conclude um

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you know again I'm here as I've

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mentioned in my letter I will not be

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destroying my garden uh and forced to

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mow and if the town decides to destroy

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the garden I will have no choice but to

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take legal action for damages. Thank

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you.

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» Great. Thanks Madanowitch. Just hang

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tight and we'll see if uh just hang

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tight. We'll see if council has any

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questions for you. Okay. So, council, do

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you have any questions or comments for

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for Julie with respect to her her uh

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deputation here this evening?

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Uh Deputy Mayor Calber, thank you

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worship.

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The blacklegged tick. There's a lot of

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different talks about what causes, what

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doesn't cause, where they live, where

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they don't live. Um,

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as much as you're saying that long grass

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doesn't attribute to them and so on and

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so forth, there's also documents out

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there that say it does. Um, I'm just

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just a little concerned. I mean, we have

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bylaws in place for a reason.

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here we are. As much as you enjoy your

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your natural garden, natural yard, and I

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did take a drive out there, by the way.

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I didn't I didn't knock on your door. I

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went and seen what I could see from the

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road. Um, and I've seen your trails that

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you've got cut through your property and

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stuff, but

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I I just I'm just concerned myself. I

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know with our property that we maintain

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and look at, 100 plus acres of land. Um,

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and we have trails as well and uh we do

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have ticks on the property um as well.

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And it's uh it's a non-stop fight to try

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to keep them and we keep everything cut

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back on our trails and so on and so

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forth. But uh yeah, I'm just a little

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concerned when you when you say that the

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long grass doesn't doesn't in inhibit

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these uh these ticks because we have

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them too and they're everywhere and

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especially in southeastern Ontario there

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these ticks are all over the place. So

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anyways, that was all I've got to say on

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that. So, I I still believe our bylaws

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are are still good and should be

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followed. Thank you.

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» Thank you. Uh, Deputy Mayor Calver, is

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there anything else for Miss Baganowitz

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before we move on?

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Seeing none, uh, hang tight, uh, Julie.

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We will have a, I'm sure, a robust

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conversation about the matter later on

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in the agenda. So, uh, um, relax and see

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how we do things here in Napony. So,

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thank you. I'll look for a motion to

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note and receive the uh the uh

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deputation of Julie Bogdanowitz. Moved

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by councelor Noi, second by Deputy Mayor

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Calver. If there's no further comments,

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questions, or concerns, all in favor of

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that motion? Opposed? Motion's carried.

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Unfinished business. The first matter is

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updated executive services, labor

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relations, reserve, spending thresholds,

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and governance framework. And Mr. Grant,

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I think you're going to speak to that.

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Uh so when you get settled in there,

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we'll uh we'll allow you to take the

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floor.

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Uh thank you worship and through you

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your worship to members of council. Um

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this is an item that is coming back uh

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with respect uh to uh labor relations uh

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reserve. Uh the initial trunch of money

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going into the reserve uh is $155,000

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um from workplace self uh safety and

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insurance board. Uh and the team has

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also talked about how to have recurring

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support um for that kind of reserve. Um

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the the current theory is what's called

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gapping dollars. So there will be uh

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monies that are unspent on budgeted

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salary dollars due to turnover or

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recruitment and that sort of thing. and

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that's uh dedicated for HR so should be

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going for HR purposes. Uh council at our

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uh last meeting expressed the desire um

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to understand um exactly how this money

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would be allocated and spent, how

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council uh could perform its fiduciary

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duty in terms of spending limits um

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while also

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um creating a a separation on specific

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HR matters. And I think that we've

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struck a reasonable balance here and I'm

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I'm happy to get your views on it. So,

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the proposed delegated authority limits

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um the way that it uh is proposed to

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work is that uh there'd be a maximum

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spend uh of $25,000

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um for things such as recruitment

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advertising, executive or specialized

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recruitment services, uh candidate uh

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assessment and testing tools, relocation

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assistance, um things like that for uh

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recruitment and staffing transition

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costs, termination, severance, and

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workforce restructuring costs such as uh

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contractual termination pay, severance

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obligations, vacation payout,

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liabilities, uh labor relations uh and

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legal expenses and investigation cost

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such as external labor employment legal

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services, workplace investigations

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um under some of our policies uh such as

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the workplace harassment uh bylaw,

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arbitration and mediation costs, human

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rights or employment compliance matters,

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uh WSIB and accommodation costs. Um so

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uh I would have the authority to

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authorize the spend on the

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recommendation of human resources uh and

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would do so in consultation with the

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treasurer. Um the uh anything exceeding

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that and candidly anything serious would

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exceed that. uh it just would uh would

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come to council uh for an inc camera

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discussion uh in a general sense without

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getting into the specific HR files per

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se. But this this is the problem we're

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trying to solve and this is why we think

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this uh avenue uh is the proper avenue

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to solve it and this is how much uh we

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believe that we need above and beyond

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what is our delegated authority. Um, I

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would expect um a lot of um uh spending

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would be minor in nature and far below

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the $25,000 threshold. One of the things

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that sparked this discussion candidly

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was um the fact that HR had no

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recruitment budget.

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» Um that candidly was a problem u from my

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perspective. we were using uh our own uh

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website, social media and that sort of

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thing to try to find um appropriate

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staff and and sometimes we're looking

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for very specialized people in a very

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competitive market. So I'll I'll give

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you an example. Um he's not here anymore

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online so I can embarrass him. Um Mr.

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Hatton is someone that we did an

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expanded uh search for using very

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specific uh advertising methods

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particularly um the association of

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planners websites and which come at a

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cost um and that's where we found them

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and uh that is candidly a get because

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planners are hard to find. Um there's a

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number of different kinds of professions

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that are hard uh to fill and that is one

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of them at this point in time. Um so we

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would see things such as that. Um

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the uh and anything above and beyond

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that as I mentioned we would bring to

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council um for uh your authorization. Um

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we would give you a full rationale and

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you know as we do financial reporting we

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would indicate um these are where monies

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were spent and the reason that they were

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spent that way. And with that uh I or

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Miss Natt Fischer are happy to answer

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any of your questions.

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Great. Uh, thank you, Mr. Grant. Go

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ahead, Councelor Nish.

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» Mr. Grant. Um, just I think I know the

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answer, but the relocation assistance is

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that the sweet in the pot to say to

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bring someone from the other end of the

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lake from a big city to here or

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something like that? Is that the idea

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» To Mr. Mayor? Short answer, yes. Um, so

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if we're pulling people from if we're

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trying to um entice them from the

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greater Toronto area or beyond, um, it's

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unlikely we'd be able to pay full

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relocation. Um but sometimes that's

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what's needed to give us a competitive

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edge over over a different organization.

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[clears throat]

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» Thought so. Thank you.

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» Thank you councelor Nor. Thank you Mr.

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Grant. Is there anything else? Councelor

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Martin.

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» Thank you mayor through you. Um Mr.

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Grant. Um

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the the

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reserve fund is was or is or whatever it

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was at 155

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155,000

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and

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» Mr. Mayor. Yes, it is.

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» Okay. Um so

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if the corporation saves money during

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the year that's going to be replenished

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by that money saved. So what what

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happens if there's x number of dollars

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saved and you keep you build up that

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fund to um a large amount? I mean, I I

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like reserve funds, Billy. Me for, you

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know, firet truck, uh, uh, snow plows,

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building maintenance, that type of

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thing. But I'm just I'm just wondering

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why HR usually isn't an emergency

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situation. Like, usually HR can come to

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council for for funds or whatever. And

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should there maybe be a cap on the

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reserve fund as far as I mean how much

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money would would you recommend that uh

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or you you would think that's going to

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be needed in a particular year.

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» So through you Mr. Mayor to councelor

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Martin uh difficult to say depending on

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year to year. So I would agree that

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there's no uh emergency situations per

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se. Uh but human resources is part of

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the business that costs money has cost

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money. We can cost that out over the

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last several years. We've just been

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pulling it from other places. Um so it's

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it's come at the expense of of some

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other places. Um I would say do I think

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that the reserve is going to get quite a

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bit higher year-over-year savings? I

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would love to have that problem.

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[laughter]

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I don't think we're going to have that

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problem.

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um only because of some of the the uh

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past dollars that have been spent for

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specific reasons, whether it be

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arbitration that we recently went

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through. Um if we have mediation cost,

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recruitment costs, um there's an ongoing

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costs that are fairly healthy. And I

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wouldn't suggest that we'd want to go

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much over 150 unless uh if it indicated,

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you know, a circumstance indicated that

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we needed more than that, we would come

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to you and ask to to raise the

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threshold. If we were over that, my

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expectation would be that uh finance

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would tell you um look, we we are over

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the threshold of the reserve that was

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originally set up by council. What would

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you like to do with the money? Um so I I

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don't think we're going to see uh the

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reserve grow and grow and grow per se.

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It's unlike other reserves and that

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there's continuous operating needs, but

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it's been uh a negotiation between HR

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and others uh between uh how things will

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be funded, where the money is going to

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come from, are people going to get the

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same level of service uh based on the

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budget they have to allocate for a

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recruitment effort or whatnot. And we're

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we're looking to sort of standardize the

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service so everyone gets the same level

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of service, if you may, if you will. Um

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so that's the intention for it.

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I don't know if I answered your question

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there, counselor,

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in a roundabout way.

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Thank you. Um, could I just um

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So, is is that uh does this mean if we

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have a reserve fund of 150 roughly,000

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that that will no longer be a budget

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item because other years we've actually

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budgeted for HR expenses, have we not?

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And I mean, if there's an expense coming

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that needs to be paid for, it usually

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comes out of the general reserve as

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opposed to

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having a I mean, I don't know how many

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reserves we have now. I I've I've heard

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a number of reserves over over the last

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four years, and I'm just I just want to

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make sure that council is aware of every

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dollar spent, but we all know that next

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year is going to be a a challenging year

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budget-wise. So, I'm just I'm just

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trying to get a perspective on on what's

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going ahead as far as our budgeting is

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concerned.

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» I think uh I think our human resources

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professional may be able to weigh in on

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this, Mr. Grant. So, go ahead, Holly.

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» Thank you. Through your worship. Um we

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of course now my brain has gone

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completely empty. Um

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Oh my goodness,

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my brain's empty. It

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Yeah, thank you. Um, [laughter]

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in the past we have budgeted for known

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expenses in HR that have come up. So

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when we know we're going to arbitration,

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when we know we're doing those certain

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when we're going to have higher than

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normal legal fees, but in a lot of the

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situations that you see listed in this

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reserve here, they're unknown. They

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happen kind of just as they happen. Um,

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so I I foresee this being a separate pot

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of money for that exact reason. we will

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still likely budget for these higher

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expense item ticket items that we know

540
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,840
are coming. So, we won't be pulling from

541
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:38,640
those reserves for that specific thing

542
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:40,640
when we know it's coming. But otherwise,

543
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:43,120
everything else listed in this reserve,

544
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,880
it it kind of comes up as the year goes

545
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:46,640
on and that's why we're asking for this

546
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,880
specific pot of money on the side to

547
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,880
pull from.

548
00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:55,360
Yep.

549
00:27:51,919 --> 00:27:57,840
» So, this is just for emergency funds.

550
00:27:55,360 --> 00:28:00,240
This isn't for So, we'll still be

551
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,080
looking at budgeting for normal HR

552
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,720
expenses.

553
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,399
So,

554
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,480
» Through your worship, yes, we will still

555
00:28:04,399 --> 00:28:09,520
be planning on budgeting for normal

556
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:11,679
known HR expenses. I'm not confident the

557
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,120
word emergency is the right word um

558
00:28:11,679 --> 00:28:14,799
because that has a certain context

559
00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:16,880
associated with it. But these are the

560
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:18,960
unknown costs that happen throughout the

561
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,799
year. Um, they happen every year.

562
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,159
They're going to happen every year, but

563
00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:24,159
you can't plan for them because you

564
00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:25,440
don't know which ones are going to come

565
00:28:24,159 --> 00:28:28,799
up.

566
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:30,399
» Thank you. Sorry. Go ahead, Mr. Grant.

567
00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:33,039
» So, three, Mr. May, I'll give I'll give

568
00:28:30,399 --> 00:28:34,640
an example for you, counselor. So, uh,

569
00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:37,120
some of the recruitment costs that we

570
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:40,320
would incur, we wouldn't know. Um, so,

571
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:43,120
uh, people don't often, uh, forecast in

572
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,240
advance, um, before they've found a new

573
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,120
job. They let you know when they've

574
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:50,480
secured a new job. Not that anyone not

575
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:53,520
that we want anyone to leave. Um but uh

576
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:56,240
the difference in recruiting um certain

577
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,840
positions uh versus other positions.

578
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,600
There will be a difference in cost in

579
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:02,159
how you would have to go to recruit

580
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,840
because one year we might find a

581
00:29:02,159 --> 00:29:05,919
difficult to recruit position that we

582
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:09,840
have to invest more money into to find

583
00:29:05,919 --> 00:29:12,000
the right person. Uh and other ones um

584
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:14,080
those types of uh people that could fill

585
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:18,720
those positions are are more abundant in

586
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:20,960
the area. um we might have uh an HR

587
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,640
investigation that comes up for whatever

588
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,600
reason that we weren't anticipating that

589
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:27,360
we would need um funds for, but we

590
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,600
wouldn't be necessarily anticipating

591
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,440
those because a matter might have uh

592
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,200
popped up that would be contrary to a

593
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,760
policy and we're obligated under policy

594
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:38,799
to act. Um but we wouldn't have been

595
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:40,480
able to foresee those because um we

596
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:42,880
didn't plan for someone to break a

597
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:45,279
policy.

598
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,120
» Thank you, Mr. Graham.

599
00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:49,520
Thank you. Uh, council, go ahead,

600
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,000
councelor Shane.

601
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,640
Hi,

602
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,720
» Matthew. Uh, I'll give you an analogy. I

603
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:57,039
had a wise man tell me once that uh, and

604
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:59,919
this is council's what's happened in the

605
00:29:57,039 --> 00:30:01,279
past. All right. So, if a child touches

606
00:29:59,919 --> 00:30:03,919
a stove when it's really hot, it's a

607
00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:06,159
little gunshy touching again. So,

608
00:30:03,919 --> 00:30:08,559
there's a concern here. All right. I'll

609
00:30:06,159 --> 00:30:10,799
be I'm just being honest. All right.

610
00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:13,200
That

611
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:14,399
are we giving you the the keys to the

612
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:18,880
safe? if you know what I mean. I know

613
00:30:14,399 --> 00:30:22,000
it's 155,000, but are we losing any

614
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,919
authority of no, we're not going to pay

615
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:27,600
that out or no, we're not going to do

616
00:30:23,919 --> 00:30:29,120
this or we're losing that. Now, I'm in

617
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,720
agreement with what you're doing. All

618
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:35,200
right,

619
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:37,520
cautiously. All right, but uh Ellen is

620
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,200
going to give us a quarterly financial

621
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:42,000
breakdown.

622
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:45,039
uh anything is I have faith because we

623
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,559
have great staff that anything that's

624
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:49,279
contentious

625
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:53,520
that is you know it doesn't do the smell

626
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:55,600
test because uh we're not a municipality

627
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,360
that just goes yeah we'll just yeah

628
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,440
we'll bend or yeah no you know what I

629
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,360
mean if it has to go that route we we'll

630
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,640
go that route you know what I mean but

631
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,240
we have to be fair and honest with

632
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,520
ourselves also and where that money

633
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,120
spent and that's where I think where

634
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,440
Bill's coming from also where counselor

635
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,440
Martin is coming from is that we just

636
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,600
want to make sure that we're not out of

637
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:16,720
the loop, that we're still in that loop

638
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:18,159
with Ellen's uh financial what she's

639
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,240
going to give us to us and with your

640
00:31:18,159 --> 00:31:22,159
communication skills, Matthew and and

641
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:25,200
Holly, what you guys are doing, I feel

642
00:31:22,159 --> 00:31:26,720
confident that you're doing it. So, I'm

643
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,640
not saying I'm not going to look at it

644
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,000
with a real magnifying glass, but it's

645
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,919
definitely going to be looked at. So,

646
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,919
that's what my concern is. as long as

647
00:31:31,919 --> 00:31:36,559
you you address those type of concerns

648
00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:37,760
with the the future council then uh you

649
00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:42,000
know what I mean what their concern

650
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:43,600
might be because you know once bitten

651
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,679
twice shy you know what I mean so that's

652
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:48,080
where you're into a shy state right now

653
00:31:45,679 --> 00:31:50,240
so that's all

654
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:53,120
» Yeah go ahead Mr. Grant

655
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:55,360
» So um I'll uh I'll I'll speak to that

656
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:57,519
counselor and and invite Holly to weigh

657
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,679
in so I'd first say through you Mr.

658
00:31:57,519 --> 00:32:01,760
Mayor, if we were going to rob the safe,

659
00:31:59,679 --> 00:32:05,200
I'd ask you for a lot more money. I

660
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,880
really would. Um, and there's nothing in

661
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:10,080
this policy that would allow us to spend

662
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:13,279
$150,000 in one shot. So, what you're

663
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:15,200
seeing in terms of a $25,000 limit,

664
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:16,799
that's around my that's actually quite a

665
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:21,200
bit less than my delegated authority

666
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:23,440
already. Um, it it's and to date in my

667
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,960
time here. Uh, I like working here, so I

668
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,679
wouldn't spend that without telling you.

669
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,360
Uh, unless it was a serious emergency,

670
00:32:27,679 --> 00:32:33,039
like I need to act and spend something

671
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:37,679
now, we're going to lose a lot more. Um,

672
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:39,519
what I would say is, um, let's call it,

673
00:32:37,679 --> 00:32:41,840
um, say if there was a dismissal that

674
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:43,760
had to be made for whatever reason, um,

675
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,360
some of this would be enough to to cover

676
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,679
the statutory limits that we'd be

677
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,440
required to pay anyway. if we were

678
00:32:47,679 --> 00:32:51,440
looking to have a negotiated settlement

679
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:54,880
that would far exceed that for whatever

680
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:58,399
reason, $25,000 probably wouldn't do it.

681
00:32:54,880 --> 00:33:00,080
Um, candidly, um, and if we were going

682
00:32:58,399 --> 00:33:04,799
to do that and look to get into a

683
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:07,200
negotiated settlement, um, I would more

684
00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:09,840
than likely give you like give you the

685
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,919
situation of here's the situation we're

686
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:16,080
in. Here's the the management decision

687
00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:17,919
that I need to make. um I need uh to,

688
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,880
you know, pull this amount of funds for

689
00:33:17,919 --> 00:33:22,880
this reason. Um and if I don't do that,

690
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,279
here are some other options in order to

691
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:28,000
get to the outcome that we need to get

692
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:31,440
to. If it's not financial like right

693
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:33,840
away, it might be um not that anyone's

694
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,600
going to get fired, um but it would be

695
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,279
something like salary continuence to

696
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,360
spread out money as opposed to a lump

697
00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:42,799
sum out of the reserve. There'd be

698
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:46,240
different ways to get at it. Um but

699
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:48,880
we're quite aware um of the hot stove.

700
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,720
Um we've taken great pains uh to ensure

701
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:53,360
that staff and council have a high

702
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:56,000
degree of trust and we value that. Um

703
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:58,960
and uh it's not in our interest nor do

704
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,880
we desire to lose that.

705
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,120
» Yep. Go ahead.

706
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:05,120
» Like there's not all 25,000. There's an

707
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,840
item in here 15,000. So that's the

708
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,280
reason why there's but

709
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:12,000
the reason why I'm saying that is

710
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,839
because in the past you know a limit was

711
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,399
15,000 and an individual [clears throat]

712
00:34:13,839 --> 00:34:17,760
would go ahead and 14,552

713
00:34:16,399 --> 00:34:19,599
and then the next month it would be

714
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,359
14,582

715
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:23,679
you know I mean I'm still below my limit

716
00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:26,000
you know what I mean as long as none of

717
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:28,800
that ever happens you know I mean and I

718
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:31,599
have trust in you guys so and you all

719
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:34,000
know that you know I don't pound on you

720
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:35,679
every day so there there we go. So yeah,

721
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,560
I just that's the reason why the concern

722
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:40,240
is there. That's all.

723
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,839
» So uh through Mr. Mayor, if it gives you

724
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:44,839
any comfort, counselor, I'm remarkably

725
00:34:41,839 --> 00:34:44,839
cheap.

726
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,399
» Thanks, uh councelor Shank. Thank you,

727
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:52,480
Mr. Grant. Deputy Mayor Gbert.

728
00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:53,919
» Uh thank you through your worship. Um

729
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,879
know exactly where you're coming from,

730
00:34:53,919 --> 00:34:58,320
Mike. Uh for a lot of years, we'd say

731
00:34:56,879 --> 00:35:00,400
you hear the saying, well, we'll find

732
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:04,800
the money. This isn't money we're going

733
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:07,280
to find. This is money for a specific

734
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,200
job. This is for HR. This isn't just a

735
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:12,240
slush fund for others to pull out of.

736
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:14,480
This is HR money, their responsibility,

737
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:16,320
and I have uh nothing but the utmost

738
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:19,440
respect and trust for our staff. Thank

739
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:23,359
you. Thanks, Deputy Mayor Calver. Is

740
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:25,200
there anything else? If not, we do have

741
00:35:23,359 --> 00:35:26,720
a recommendation that council receive

742
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,480
for information the updated executive

743
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:29,760
services labor's relations reserve

744
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,440
spending thresholds and governance

745
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,040
framework report and further that

746
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,760
council approve the proposed thresholds

747
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:38,240
for delegated authority spending in each

748
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:40,400
category. Moved by councelor Shank,

749
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:41,839
second by councelor Davey. Is there any

750
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,200
further comments, questions or concerns

751
00:35:41,839 --> 00:35:45,599
with respect to the motions on the

752
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,800
floor? Seeing none, we'll call the

753
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:48,320
question. All in favor of the motion

754
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,480
that's on the floor opposed. The

755
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,400
motion's carried. Next matter is growth

756
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,800
in infrastructure request for land

757
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:58,160
transfer 341 Camden Road portion of

758
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,680
Milhouse Yard, Stormwater Pond Land. And

759
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,920
Mr. Grant, you're going to speak to that

760
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:04,240
as well.

761
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:07,920
» Uh I'm going to parrot the notes that

762
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:09,920
Mr. Nobs was kind enough to give me. Um

763
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,440
as uh he's not here today, so if you'll

764
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,960
bear with me, I just need to pull that

765
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,960
up.

766
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,960
Um

767
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:27,040
okay. Um so the subject property that um

768
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:28,800
uh is in the report uh speaks to um

769
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,960
fencing and and the like. So the fencing

770
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:33,040
is to delineate uh the limit of town

771
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,520
owned storm water pond area which was

772
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:37,119
approved through budget. Uh a survey was

773
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,520
completed to determine exact property

774
00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:41,760
line for the fence installation. Uh the

775
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:44,160
property line bicts two mature pear

776
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:48,079
trees which were planted by the owner of

777
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:50,160
341 Camden uh road several years ago. Uh

778
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:52,000
the owner of 341 would like to see the

779
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,480
trees retained through the installation

780
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,320
of the fence. Uh the owner has requested

781
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,400
either the town shift the fence further

782
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,000
onto town property to avoid trees

783
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,480
effectively

784
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,800
um you know that would effectively give

785
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:07,119
up town owned land which is not

786
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,720
something that staff would recommend. Uh

787
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:10,640
town compensate for the loss of the

788
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:12,800
trees. A $400 tree of the fences

789
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,480
installed on the property line and

790
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,160
respectfully I think if there's a tree

791
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:19,359
on our property that's candidly our

792
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:22,160
tree. Um but uh the town transferred a 5

793
00:37:19,359 --> 00:37:23,920
foot wide strip of land for $1 to the

794
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:27,119
owner to shift the property line away

795
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,640
from the trees. Um

796
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:30,880
you know the there's several different

797
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:33,200
approaches uh to sell you could sell the

798
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:36,560
owner a 5ft wide strip along the rear

799
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:38,160
property line um roughly an $890 sale

800
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:41,200
price to legally shift the property line

801
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:43,280
to allow the trees to remain. Um if

802
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,640
council elects to proceed with the sale

803
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,400
uh of the land, the next step would be

804
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,720
to declare the land surplus, which

805
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,960
requires public notice and bylaw to

806
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:52,560
allow the transfer uh would come to a

807
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,359
future meeting. This would be a class

808
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:57,680
two surplus as uh there's only one

809
00:37:55,359 --> 00:38:00,320
property that could acquire this land.

810
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:02,160
Um so that is I believe Mr. Gnome's

811
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:06,960
recommended option. The uh the other

812
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:10,640
option I think that um uh would come up

813
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:13,760
uh is uh council directed staff to come

814
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:16,160
up with a uh tree bylaw. You may recall

815
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:18,079
if in the event that we were going to

816
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,880
install a fence and had to remove a tree

817
00:38:18,079 --> 00:38:23,680
to do so, we would be obligated to plant

818
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:26,320
two trees uh under that policy which has

819
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:28,720
yet to come forward. Um but I would say

820
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,480
those are the options. I believe Mr. No

821
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:32,160
has the recommended option of a land

822
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,400
sale just to preserve the trees as they

823
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,160
are. Um if council wanted a different

824
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:42,160
option that would be one of them with

825
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:44,800
that um I'm happy to uh answer

826
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:47,800
sort of questions uh to the best of my

827
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,800
ability.

828
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:53,280
» Thank you uh thank you Mr. Grant. Uh

829
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,760
let's we'll try and venture through this

830
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,520
and see what we can do for you. So um

831
00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:00,320
first of all is there any questions? Go

832
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:02,960
ahead, Council Martin.

833
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:05,599
» Sorry, Matthew. [laughter]

834
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,599
Um, start off with, I would like to say

835
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:08,960
that

836
00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:12,400
somehow or another, I'd like to see

837
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:14,000
those trees saved. That's one of my I

838
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:17,200
was I was over there actually the other

839
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:19,119
day and I I don't know if you recall at

840
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,839
council

841
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:26,000
prior councils uh another resident over

842
00:39:21,839 --> 00:39:28,800
there actually bought a small area of

843
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:31,520
and it's right beside this property um

844
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:33,440
to square off his property and to make

845
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,760
it one continual

846
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:38,400
square fence there. So, I I'm just

847
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:41,280
wondering, and you probably don't maybe

848
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:43,280
don't know this, maybe you do,

849
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,760
whether that neighbor was notified

850
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:48,240
because I know there is some concern

851
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:50,400
that now that that there's a bump out of

852
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:52,960
his property next door, it's going to

853
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,960
affect the new fence that he put up just

854
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,839
recently, within the last, I think it

855
00:39:54,960 --> 00:40:00,000
was a month, maybe roughly. So, I don't

856
00:39:57,839 --> 00:40:04,359
know if that neighbor was contacted at

857
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,359
all about uh his comments.

858
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,119
through you, Mr. Mayor. I will have to

859
00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:08,880
look in that and get back to you,

860
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:11,680
counselor.

861
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:14,640
» Thank you. Um, there's some other things

862
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:18,800
I'm I'm asking about this, too. Um, the

863
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:21,680
out of the six options that I that we

864
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:26,599
have here. Um,

865
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:26,599
I just want to ask why not number four,

866
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:33,408
which is Well, I'll let you read it.

867
00:40:31,388 --> 00:40:33,408
[laughter]

868
00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:42,640
So through you, Mr. Mayor, if I read

869
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:45,920
that um correctly, we'd be installing a

870
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:48,560
fence um further on our property. We

871
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:50,400
would still own some property but not

872
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,960
have effective use of it,

873
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,200
» Right?

874
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,960
» Um so I would I we're not recommending

875
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,160
it for that reason because normally if

876
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,599
you're going to put fences, you put it

877
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,720
on the property line of what?

878
00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:03,839
» Normally. Yes.

879
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:05,920
» Yeah. And so, um, I think if if the

880
00:41:03,839 --> 00:41:08,000
desire was to maintain the trees, uh,

881
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:10,560
and not cut them down and replace them,

882
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,079
but, uh, and allow the individual that

883
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,880
planted them to retain ownership, a

884
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:18,000
class 2 land sale is the way to go. Um,

885
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:20,720
because then there is, um, no ambiguity

886
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:25,119
over who owns what.

887
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:27,920
Yeah, I understand kind of, but it would

888
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:31,119
it it seems to me it would save

889
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:33,359
this particular um

890
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:38,160
person that's requesting the trees be

891
00:41:33,359 --> 00:41:40,319
saved and giving him land for for a

892
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,800
dollar basically is what he's requesting

893
00:41:40,319 --> 00:41:44,800
for. Um, and I think we're talking about

894
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:48,800
five feet roughly from what I was

895
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:50,960
looking at over there for a bumpout. I I

896
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:53,119
just think that

897
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:56,480
it's not it's not going to be of any use

898
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:58,800
to him or the town where that fence is.

899
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:03,040
I mean, it's it's only it's only going

900
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:05,599
to go to serve to uh save the trees and

901
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,280
and if we sell it to them, it's going to

902
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:11,200
be the same thing. There's going to be a

903
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:12,960
bump out to save the trees. The only

904
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:16,560
thing is it Yeah, you're right. It

905
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:18,240
clarifies who owns it possibly. But when

906
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,400
you're talking about 5 ft to save a

907
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:23,040
tree,

908
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:26,720
I I I would think number four would be

909
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:29,359
it would save surveys, money, legal

910
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:30,160
cost. That's all I'm I'm looking at.

911
00:42:29,359 --> 00:42:31,839
» Go ahead, Mr. Grant.

912
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,839
» So through you, Mr. Mayor, uh point of

913
00:42:31,839 --> 00:42:35,359
clarity as well is like uh the trees

914
00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:36,960
were planted by the individual, but the

915
00:42:35,359 --> 00:42:37,760
tree on our property legally is our

916
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,240
tree.

917
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,040
» Um

918
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:42,560
» I agree.

919
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:44,880
» Yeah. So um I I would say that

920
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:47,599
» Although excuse me, Mr. Grant, I I

921
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:49,839
looking at it and and I'm not a

922
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:52,560
surveyor, but looking at it, the one

923
00:42:49,839 --> 00:42:54,640
looked like it was in on his property.

924
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:57,920
The other one was right on the property

925
00:42:54,640 --> 00:43:02,000
line, possibly if you measured with a

926
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:04,400
with a, you know, a GPS instrument. I'm

927
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:07,200
But it's more on town land than it is,

928
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,920
but I I'm just, you know,

929
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,079
» So

930
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,680
» Just to clarify where the trees are

931
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:12,319
» Through you, Mr. Fair enough. Partially

932
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,720
our tree.

933
00:43:12,319 --> 00:43:17,440
» Yeah. Um, so what I would say is this,

934
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:18,960
like, um, I would look at this with the

935
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,400
principle of what would we do for any

936
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,800
other property if it wasn't just these

937
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,319
trees, but it was some other thing. I

938
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,359
think the principle of ownership is

939
00:43:24,319 --> 00:43:28,480
something that we would want to

940
00:43:25,359 --> 00:43:29,599
maintain. Um, and be really clear about

941
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,000
who owns what.

942
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:32,480
» Okay.

943
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,720
» Um, only because with land ownership

944
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,240
comes responsibilities, comes liability,

945
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:38,720
comes a number of different things. So

946
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:40,800
if it's our intention uh to ensure that

947
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:43,119
the trees can be preserved and owned by

948
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:45,280
the individual then I would go through

949
00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:46,720
uh the effort of surveying it out and so

950
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,280
the fence is in the proper place and

951
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:51,680
ownership is not in question. Um it's

952
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,680
say in the unlikely event that something

953
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:57,200
happened on land that we owned but had

954
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:58,880
no custody over um that puts us in a

955
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,720
very precarious position not only in

956
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,720
this but in other areas of of land

957
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:03,720
ownership.

958
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:10,560
» Yeah. Thank you, mayor. Through you, uh,

959
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:12,319
Matthew, I I

960
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:15,680
my main concern is to save the trees,

961
00:44:12,319 --> 00:44:18,240
but I mean, if we sell 5t of this

962
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:21,920
property and give them a bump out and it

963
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:25,200
costs 5 to7,000, I'm reading their

964
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:27,680
report here uh, to do that. Does do we

965
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:30,480
know if that property owner is prepared

966
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:34,400
to spend that money for like he's asking

967
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:37,920
for for a dollar? I I'm assuming he's

968
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:44,079
not going to want to spend5 to $7,000

969
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:46,160
um legal fees and and um survey. So I

970
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:49,599
guess my my other qu my last question

971
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:51,440
will be if he doesn't buy it because he

972
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:53,839
doesn't want to spend the money, are we

973
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,440
going to cut the trees down?

974
00:44:53,839 --> 00:44:57,920
Because I'd really hate to see those two

975
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,839
trees go.

976
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,200
» Thank you. Okay. I won't ask anymore.

977
00:44:59,839 --> 00:45:02,640
» So through you, Mr. Mayor, for the

978
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,839
record, Council Min, you can ask as many

979
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:07,440
questions as you like. It's why we're

980
00:45:03,839 --> 00:45:10,480
here. Um, but so I would say uh a couple

981
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:12,480
of different things. Um, in line with

982
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:16,160
the land sale bylaw and the principles

983
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:17,920
of value for real estate, um, I would

984
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,920
always advocate that we sell land for

985
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:23,200
what it's worth and not necessarily what

986
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:25,200
someone wants to pay, per se. Um, there

987
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:28,319
is a value to that land. I'm quite

988
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:30,880
certain it's more than a dollar. Um so

989
00:45:28,319 --> 00:45:32,480
uh giving someone for regardless of the

990
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,680
purpose uh and how no matter how

991
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,160
honorable it is, I think we have an

992
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:38,319
obligation as a municipality uh to

993
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:40,480
steward you know land ownership

994
00:45:38,319 --> 00:45:44,880
resources and and and charge what the

995
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:47,520
land is worth. um in the event that we

996
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,720
were going to um if a tree had to come

997
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,200
down because we're putting a fence on

998
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:53,440
the property line, that's when I believe

999
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:55,040
um that the the policy that was

1000
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,839
recommended and approved by council for

1001
00:45:55,040 --> 00:46:01,200
us to bring uh to bring back. Um we

1002
00:45:57,839 --> 00:46:04,079
would plant two others uh in recognition

1003
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:08,240
uh of a healthy tree being removed due

1004
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:10,240
to uh the work uh initiated by the town.

1005
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:12,880
I I believe that this is something that

1006
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:14,480
actually speaks to exactly the intent uh

1007
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,720
of the policy that councelor Hicks

1008
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,560
brought forward and council passed that

1009
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:20,400
I mean nobody wants to cut down a tree

1010
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,599
that we don't have to like full stop. We

1011
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,520
would like we do everything in our power

1012
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:24,960
to avoid it. If we were putting a fence

1013
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,400
on a property land which is the

1014
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,800
recommended place to put a fence to

1015
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,960
delineate ownership and it re and it

1016
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:33,599
required a tree but maybe not both to be

1017
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:36,160
cut down. Um, I would say that we should

1018
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:38,480
replant two of the same species in as

1019
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,760
near a proximity as we could. Uh, that

1020
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,760
would be my recommendation on that,

1021
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,520
counselor, if if council doesn't want to

1022
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,720
have a bump out and and entertain a

1023
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,960
sale.

1024
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:49,839
» Thank you for that, Matthew.

1025
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:52,960
» Thanks, Counc.

1026
00:46:49,839 --> 00:46:56,319
Uh, thank you for your worship. Is David

1027
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:57,839
still online or is David gone?

1028
00:46:56,319 --> 00:46:58,240
» Three, Mr. Mayor. David is not on the

1029
00:46:57,839 --> 00:46:59,760
line.

1030
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:01,359
» Okay. I reached out to him earlier

1031
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,200
today. I wanted some clarification, but

1032
00:47:01,359 --> 00:47:05,280
I was just trying to figure out we we

1033
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,480
did to the neighboring property. I'm

1034
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,240
trying to find I'd like just

1035
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,960
verification what we did to sell him

1036
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:12,480
that bit of land he wanted to do because

1037
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:15,839
we got to we got to kind of stick with

1038
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:19,440
our town's best practice. Um in my

1039
00:47:15,839 --> 00:47:21,200
opinion anyways. Um it is it is a class

1040
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:25,359
two land,

1041
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:28,640
but we can't uh we can't do one without

1042
00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:31,599
doing for everyone. So, that's just my

1043
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:34,000
uh my way of thinking. And I had one

1044
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:36,720
more. These pear trees, I I didn't see

1045
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:39,520
here how big they are. Are they Are they

1046
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:41,440
something that could be um could have

1047
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:44,480
somebody specially come in with a uh a

1048
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,839
tree spade and relocate these trees? I I

1049
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,680
don't know how big a pair of tree gets.

1050
00:47:45,839 --> 00:47:51,040
I I drove by a couple of times. I

1051
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:53,520
couldn't see them. So, thank you.

1052
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:55,040
» Go ahead, Mr. Grant. See if you can uh

1053
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,720
» Mr. I I don't know the answer to that,

1054
00:47:55,040 --> 00:48:00,160
but we can certainly investigate if they

1055
00:47:56,720 --> 00:48:02,480
can be relocated. Uh in terms of land,

1056
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:06,640
um I would say that there's a very clear

1057
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:09,520
process um by how council can dispose of

1058
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:11,760
uh land that it owns. So, first part of

1059
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,920
that would be to declare uh a piece of

1060
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,359
property surplus. You can declare a

1061
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,880
whole property. You can decide that

1062
00:48:15,359 --> 00:48:19,119
there's an element of a property and you

1063
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:22,319
need to reservey it and and and parcel

1064
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:26,079
it out. Um and so if it doesn't have

1065
00:48:22,319 --> 00:48:27,920
access uh to um you know public roadway

1066
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:29,599
or something else uh it would be deemed

1067
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,680
class two because there's only a few

1068
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:33,920
properties that would abut that that

1069
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,599
could buy that. Um that is a very

1070
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,760
prescribed process in the land sale

1071
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:41,119
bylaw. Um so we would offer that to

1072
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:43,040
anyone if they came forward. Normally uh

1073
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:45,200
we would only offer surplus lands and

1074
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,880
extenduating circumstances you would

1075
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:50,640
have to declare it surplus. So there'll

1076
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:53,280
be uh additional steps towards that. Um

1077
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:56,319
and as for uh removing the tree and

1078
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:59,280
relocating it, I can certainly uh ask

1079
00:48:56,319 --> 00:49:01,119
the team um and we could we could come

1080
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:04,359
back uh with that information if that's

1081
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:04,359
of interest.

1082
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,480
» Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Grant. I think

1083
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:14,319
madam clerk is going to weigh in here, I

1084
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:16,480
think. Then I'll go back to you dep.

1085
00:49:14,319 --> 00:49:19,599
And I I did just want to add to confirm

1086
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:21,440
that um I believe it was last year uh

1087
00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:23,839
council did go through the class 2 land

1088
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:26,480
sale process with the neighbor um and

1089
00:49:23,839 --> 00:49:28,559
that uh property owner purchased the

1090
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,079
land from the town at the set value in

1091
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:31,839
the policy and was responsible for all

1092
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:34,800
the legal transfer fees for that

1093
00:49:31,839 --> 00:49:36,480
transaction.

1094
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,319
» Thank you, Madam Clerk. That's been very

1095
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,240
helpful. Go ahead, Deputy May.

1096
00:49:38,319 --> 00:49:41,839
» Uh thank you, your worship. I I I

1097
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:43,040
thought that's what we what had taken

1098
00:49:41,839 --> 00:49:44,640
place. I just was looking for a

1099
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:49,200
refresher and then thank you madam clerk

1100
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:51,520
for that. Um yeah m uh Mr. Grant I'd

1101
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:53,599
like to see some sort of report brought

1102
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:56,240
back before we make any decisions as to

1103
00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:58,800
if if these trees could be movable and

1104
00:49:56,240 --> 00:50:01,280
what the cost would be at that. I mean,

1105
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,960
um, if we go with what we've laid out in

1106
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,760
past, which I believe we should stick to

1107
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:07,040
what we've done in the past, uh, class 2

1108
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,040
lands, you're saying it's worth

1109
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:11,280
approximately $890,

1110
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:14,319
but then the cost to do the transfer of

1111
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:17,040
the, um, surveys and stuff could be

1112
00:50:14,319 --> 00:50:18,800
between 5 and 7,000. That's a a big

1113
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:21,839
chunk to pay for a little land to save a

1114
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:23,599
couple of trees if, in fact, for maybe

1115
00:50:21,839 --> 00:50:25,520
$2,000, they can be plucked from the

1116
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:27,200
ground and and replanted. I don't know.

1117
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,760
just worth looking at every option

1118
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,640
before we just decide to throw this out.

1119
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:34,559
Thank you.

1120
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:36,480
» Thank you, Mayor G. Mr. Grant.

1121
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:38,079
» So, through you, Mr. Mayor. If that be

1122
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:41,040
the will of council, I would recommend a

1123
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:43,680
motion on that to uh direct that staff

1124
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:46,079
go and and find out uh if it is feasible

1125
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,750
to relocate the trees and then come back

1126
00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:47,920
and and address this at another

1127
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:50,319
» [clears throat]

1128
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,839
» Uh at another time.

1129
00:50:50,319 --> 00:50:54,400
» Uh thank you, Mr. Crank. Go ahead,

1130
00:50:51,839 --> 00:50:58,559
Councelor Shank. Now, Matthew, this this

1131
00:50:54,400 --> 00:51:00,559
might like sound a simple question, but

1132
00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:03,440
uh

1133
00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:06,400
did he not own

1134
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:08,559
that land where those trees are

1135
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,920
or they were with all the subdivision

1136
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:11,760
and with the Mil House pond and

1137
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,839
everything else and the lot line ended

1138
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:16,240
up being there? I'm just trying to get

1139
00:51:13,839 --> 00:51:18,400
in my mind why did he plant the trees so

1140
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:20,960
close

1141
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,000
to the lot line if he wanted to keep

1142
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,599
your line? if he wanted to keep the

1143
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,440
trees and he planted them, why wouldn't

1144
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:27,839
he plant them further on his own

1145
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:29,119
property?

1146
00:51:27,839 --> 00:51:30,640
» So, for you, Mr. Mayor, I don't know

1147
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:32,720
that I can speak to the mindset of

1148
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:35,680
someone else and and choices that they

1149
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:37,680
made. Um, what I will say is it's not

1150
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:40,079
terribly unusual for people not to be

1151
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:42,240
100% familiar with where lot lines are.

1152
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:44,079
We've we've had other cases where

1153
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:46,640
structures have been built, fences have

1154
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:48,880
been built, that sort of So my so what

1155
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:51,920
my what I'm trying to understand is is

1156
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:55,280
that why would the municipality change a

1157
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:57,359
boundary line when so therefore you I

1158
00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:00,720
mean where somebody else planted some

1159
00:51:57,359 --> 00:52:02,160
trees all right I'm sorry if you wanted

1160
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:04,319
to keep those trees you put it on

1161
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,760
yourself but also his one of his

1162
00:52:04,319 --> 00:52:07,599
requests are that if you have to take

1163
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,119
him out he'd like to get paid $400 a

1164
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:12,400
tree.

1165
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:14,880
All right. So, all I'm saying is is

1166
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,640
it doesn't, you know, I don't understand

1167
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:18,000
what you where you guys are going. Like,

1168
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,960
if I wanted to plant some trees, I would

1169
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,800
make sure that they're on my own

1170
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,480
property. All right? I can't complain

1171
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,000
about it afterwards when go, "Oh, so

1172
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,839
bad. They're mature trees. I want you to

1173
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:29,599
pay because it's not on my I planted

1174
00:52:25,839 --> 00:52:33,119
them not on my own property." So, uh,

1175
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:35,119
good fences, good neighbors. So, I don't

1176
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:38,079
know why you want to go down through.

1177
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:40,240
I'm not willing to sell. It's the

1178
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:42,000
people's. It's it's not your own

1179
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:44,800
individual land. It's the taxpayers's

1180
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,160
land that 5T. It could be used for

1181
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:49,040
trail. It could be used for other things

1182
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:51,599
that whatever it might be. All right.

1183
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:53,680
For that cost because somebody planted

1184
00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:57,119
trees on your own land on not his own

1185
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:58,800
land. All right? So

1186
00:52:57,119 --> 00:53:00,240
I don't understand the rationale behind

1187
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,520
this whole thing. So as far as I'm

1188
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:02,960
concerned, you know, this is where the

1189
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,720
fence is going and everything else. And

1190
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,240
if it happens to be on the edge, well be

1191
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:07,680
on the edge. If he wants to move them,

1192
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:09,920
he can move them. We'll let we'll grant

1193
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,760
him that. But that's where the fence is

1194
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,960
going. Have a nice day. You're going to

1195
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,800
have to buy a couple more trees and

1196
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,000
we're not paying you $400 cuz we hit the

1197
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,559
tree because you planted them on the

1198
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:20,880
wrong side of the property. You know,

1199
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:22,559
like

1200
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,400
that's just that's the way I look at it.

1201
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:25,839
Maybe I'm the bad boy, but that's the

1202
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,160
facts.

1203
00:53:25,839 --> 00:53:30,400
» Yeah. Go ahead, Mr. Grant.

1204
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,760
» Uh so it's you, Mr. Mayor. Uh at this

1205
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,776
point in the evening, I'm going to

1206
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:36,797
remind Michael that he owes me $50. Um,

1207
00:53:34,776 --> 00:53:36,797
[laughter]

1208
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,960
but what what I would say is I won't

1209
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:45,280
dispute your logic, counselor. I I won't

1210
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:48,480
um I uh the land in question is ours.

1211
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:51,680
The incumbrance uh on the lot line that

1212
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:53,440
is ours uh we didn't put there. Uh I

1213
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:56,800
would not be in favor of renumerating

1214
00:53:53,440 --> 00:54:00,559
somebody um for infringing on property

1215
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:02,559
that isn't theirs. Um I think if the

1216
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:04,480
trees can be moved, fair enough. I don't

1217
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:06,960
disagree that we offer the opportunity

1218
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:10,160
for someone else to remove the trees and

1219
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:12,800
pay for that. But what I would say is is

1220
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:17,680
council has already

1221
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:21,359
um created a mechanism by which we would

1222
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:23,920
ensure uh tree canopy in perpetuity. So

1223
00:54:21,359 --> 00:54:25,760
if we have to remove a tree and and

1224
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:28,400
we're working on this as we speak, we

1225
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:31,440
will plant two trees uh in the absence

1226
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,880
and we would do that with any uh the

1227
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,800
policy would be such that we would do

1228
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:37,680
that with any tree that is removed that

1229
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:41,520
is healthy um and is removed because we

1230
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:44,480
are doing work um will replace them. Um

1231
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:46,319
and I think that would uh be here and

1232
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,599
and if council wants to sell the

1233
00:54:46,319 --> 00:54:49,680
property they can. If they don't want to

1234
00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:51,280
sell the property they don't have to.

1235
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:54,079
Um,

1236
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:55,839
yeah, I'll leave it there.

1237
00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:58,800
» Councelor Martin.

1238
00:54:55,839 --> 00:55:00,720
» Thank you, Mayor. Um,

1239
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,800
I don't think anybody is advocating we

1240
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:05,200
sell him that land for a dollar like he

1241
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:08,960
wanted. He should pay the same as

1242
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:11,119
everybody else does for class 2 land. Um

1243
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:16,400
but

1244
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:18,400
um counselor Shank I I think in town a

1245
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:21,119
lot of people eyeball their lot line and

1246
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:22,480
they'll print shrubs and trees on it and

1247
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:26,240
I got a feeling that's what happened

1248
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:28,079
with these but 15 20 years ago and it

1249
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:30,559
wasn't intentional to put it on town

1250
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:33,119
land. It was he was probably thought he

1251
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:36,640
was putting it on his own land. So, it's

1252
00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:38,960
that close. If you look at that that uh

1253
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,640
sketch, it looks like the one tree is

1254
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:43,359
right on the red line and the other

1255
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:46,720
one's just inside on it. So, anyway,

1256
00:55:43,359 --> 00:55:49,440
just just wanted to add that. And and um

1257
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:51,440
like I say, nobody's advocating we do

1258
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:55,599
what he wants to sell it to him for a

1259
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:58,400
dollar. Um absolutely not. And uh we

1260
00:55:55,599 --> 00:56:00,720
certainly wouldn't pay him $400 per tree

1261
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:05,720
either, but uh that's just what he

1262
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:05,720
wanted asking. doesn't mean we should.

1263
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:10,400
» Thank you. Uh, councelor Martin, uh,

1264
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,160
councelor David

1265
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:14,160
» Through you, mayor. Um, I guess looking

1266
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,680
at it, the way I see that chunk of

1267
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,280
ground, like it doesn't look like it

1268
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,040
carries a whole lot of value for the

1269
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,640
town itself as far as that retention

1270
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:23,599
pond area and whatnot. There's still

1271
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:26,079
room to do more work in there. So, like

1272
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:29,440
staff recommendation, bump the fence to

1273
00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:31,119
east, make a make an offer of fair fair

1274
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,799
market value, pay that. If he's not

1275
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:34,720
interested, give him the chance to move

1276
00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:36,480
the trees under his own dollar. Other

1277
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:38,240
otherwise, we'll look after it. The

1278
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:40,079
fence is going where it was initially

1279
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:42,480
intended and the trees will have to be

1280
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:44,400
moved and we'll plant four new trees on

1281
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,240
the retention pond property and and move

1282
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,880
on. It seems fairly straightforward to

1283
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:52,240
me and that's a I don't know, that's

1284
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:53,680
just how I see it.

1285
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:54,960
» Thank you, Councelor Davey. I think you

1286
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,400
might have took some of the words out of

1287
00:56:54,960 --> 00:57:00,079
my mouth here, so thank you for that.

1288
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:01,680
Um, is there anything else?

1289
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:03,520
uh saying that and I'll just weigh in

1290
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:05,599
briefly. I mean I I like uh like what

1291
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:08,480
Sean had to say is is that we've got a

1292
00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:11,119
process. We got it to and and we we've

1293
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:12,720
literally just gone through that process

1294
00:57:11,119 --> 00:57:14,640
probably

1295
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:16,000
uh months prior to where it's a very

1296
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,920
similar type of thing where there's a

1297
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:20,160
small sliver piece of land. It it made

1298
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:22,240
sense to to sell it to the neighboring

1299
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:25,280
land owners. It's a class two piece of

1300
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:28,400
property. Um, and so it made sense, but

1301
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:30,640
that loan landowner at the time decided

1302
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:32,799
that they were going to pay the cost to

1303
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:35,040
get that it was worth him. It was worth

1304
00:57:32,799 --> 00:57:36,480
that cost to do that. So, I don't think

1305
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:39,440
we should venture too far away from

1306
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:42,319
that. So, um, I I like what Sean has to

1307
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:45,359
say is that we we we direct staff that

1308
00:57:42,319 --> 00:57:47,680
we say, listen, this it is a a type two

1309
00:57:45,359 --> 00:57:49,119
or class two piece of property. This is

1310
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,880
what the rules are around that. will

1311
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:53,200
give you that opportunity to buy that 5

1312
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:56,480
ft. But that's your responsibility to do

1313
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:59,200
that. And and he's he's going to make a

1314
00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:01,440
decision, I think, as to whether that's

1315
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,960
going to be worth it or not. If it's not

1316
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,480
worth it, and we need to take the the

1317
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,559
trees out of there, then uh you know,

1318
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:08,000
we'll do what we do best, which is we'll

1319
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:09,520
make good for it because we'll plant two

1320
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,960
trees for every tree that we take down

1321
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:14,480
because that's what we said we're going

1322
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:16,319
to do. Um but I think we we put uh we

1323
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,920
give the the landowner the opportunity.

1324
00:58:16,319 --> 00:58:22,240
I I know that I think he planted those

1325
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:24,000
trees 15 20 years ago. Um um he he seems

1326
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:26,079
to be attached to those trees, but we

1327
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:29,119
give him the opportunity to take uh to

1328
00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:30,480
to buy that silver land. Um and and and

1329
00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:31,680
we have to keep in mind that if that's

1330
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,040
the direction that we're going to go, we

1331
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,040
still do have to go through the the

1332
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:37,119
surplus property. So there there is some

1333
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:41,040
time left here to go through this that

1334
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:43,680
um uh if anybody has a change of heart,

1335
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:46,559
then we can still deal with it. So, um I

1336
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:49,200
I like uh the first option there, which

1337
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:51,520
is to proceed with the next steps uh uh

1338
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:53,200
for the class 2 piece of property. Uh in

1339
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,960
that amount of time, it will give him

1340
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:57,119
the opportunity and us the opportunity

1341
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:59,760
as well to see whether or not it's these

1342
00:58:57,119 --> 00:59:01,119
trees can be um can be removed and and

1343
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,920
if they are, then that's great. And if

1344
00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:05,599
they can't be, then uh um at least we'll

1345
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,599
get the landowner the opportunity to to

1346
00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:12,079
do that. So, um that would be my

1347
00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:13,760
suggestion. And uh um I have it as I

1348
00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:16,799
think madam clerk is the first option

1349
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:19,599
that we have and and okay thank you uh

1350
00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:21,040
councelor Davey and I think hearing is

1351
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:22,480
that council direct staff to proceed

1352
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,960
with the next steps in the consideration

1353
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:26,960
of the class 2 property sale with no

1354
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:29,599
reduction to the established valuation

1355
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:31,119
rate for class 2 land sales and a final

1356
00:59:29,599 --> 00:59:33,280
decision regarding whether to declare

1357
00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:36,640
the land as surplus and approve a class

1358
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:38,559
2 sale be made following the public

1359
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:40,720
notice period. So we do have to go ahead

1360
00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:42,240
madam cler

1361
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,599
» Through your worship we do and I I

1362
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:46,559
recognize that I wrote that earlier

1363
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:48,799
today but on reflection

1364
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:51,040
if the land owner is not willing to pay

1365
00:59:48,799 --> 00:59:54,720
any money for this uh the town may not

1366
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:56,640
want to bother um doing that public

1367
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:59,359
notice and incurring those expenses. So

1368
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:02,160
it may be prudent to direct staff to

1369
00:59:59,359 --> 01:00:04,720
advise um the land owner of council's

1370
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:06,960
direction and if he's amendable to

1371
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:08,559
proceeding then we do the public notice.

1372
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,720
Um

1373
01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:12,079
» And and I I guess again once again I

1374
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,440
assumed and I shouldn't assumed I

1375
01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:15,200
assumed that probably staff would come

1376
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:18,079
back to us and say listen uh the

1377
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:20,000
landowner doesn't want to do that. So um

1378
01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:23,920
maybe we we bring this back to council.

1379
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:26,160
So um did you wish to reward that uh

1380
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:30,119
that uh recommendation or do we just add

1381
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:30,119
that on the bottom of this one?

1382
01:00:39,876 --> 01:00:41,896
» [clears throat]

1383
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:48,240
» I guess the easy thing is is that we we

1384
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:49,200
give uh staff direction to um

1385
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:52,960
» To communicate

1386
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:55,359
» To communicate council's uh um direction

1387
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:58,240
to the land owner and then to bring back

1388
01:00:55,359 --> 01:01:00,240
a report at a future date once we have

1389
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:02,079
uh the direction from the land owner as

1390
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,760
to how he would like to try and proceed

1391
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:06,000
with this.

1392
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:10,280
And I know that Madame Clerk can word

1393
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:10,280
Smith this much better than I did.

1394
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:25,119
So through your I think we could have

1395
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:27,359
the council direct staff to communicate

1396
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:29,040
that the town is willing to initiate the

1397
01:01:27,359 --> 01:01:31,040
class 2 land sale process with no

1398
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:33,680
reduction to the established evaluation

1399
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:38,880
rate for class 2 land sales.

1400
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:40,960
um and to uh report back to council on

1401
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:43,760
the response from the land owner as well

1402
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:45,680
as feasibility of tree relocation if

1403
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:47,680
council wanted to include that as well.

1404
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:49,280
» Yeah. And and I think so I think uh in

1405
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:53,359
order to do our due diligence I think we

1406
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:56,559
can put that in there as well. So

1407
01:01:53,359 --> 01:01:58,079
councelor Davyy is that sort of how our

1408
01:01:56,559 --> 01:01:59,920
conversation went? I think through

1409
01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:01,440
» You may yes that sounds good to me.

1410
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:04,400
» Perfect. And we do have a secondary and

1411
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:06,079
council shank. Is there any further

1412
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,599
comments, questions, or concerns with

1413
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:09,680
respect to that motion that's on the

1414
01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:11,440
floor?

1415
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:13,760
Seeing none, all in favor of the motion

1416
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:15,839
that's on the floor? Opposed? The

1417
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:18,160
motion's carried. Thank you. Uh,

1418
01:02:15,839 --> 01:02:20,960
everyone, uh, moving on to growth and

1419
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:22,480
infrastructure zoning GIS mapping

1420
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,240
enhancement.

1421
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:26,559
And this matter, I believe, is going to

1422
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:28,240
be deferred, madam clerk, to the 22nd of

1423
01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:30,160
September meeting. Am I correct there?

1424
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:32,000
through your ship. Yes, that's correct.

1425
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:33,680
» Okay, we'll put that under unfinished

1426
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:37,200
business. And that takes us into the

1427
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:38,960
administrative consent agenda.

1428
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:41,359
Start off council minutes. Regular

1429
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:43,520
session of council July 28th, 2026.

1430
01:02:41,359 --> 01:02:45,920
Special session of council August 11th,

1431
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:47,680
2026. Is there anything in those

1432
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:50,480
anything in those minutes that anyone

1433
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:52,480
would like to uh have any discussions or

1434
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:54,880
comments about?

1435
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:57,680
Seeing none, uh, recreation advisory

1436
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:59,280
committee, trail uh, development

1437
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,960
advisory committee, waste diversion

1438
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,240
committee, the market square advisory

1439
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,839
committee. Is there anything in those

1440
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,119
minutes that anyone had any questions or

1441
01:03:03,839 --> 01:03:06,640
comments about? And uh, go ahead,

1442
01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:10,920
councelor Martin.

1443
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:10,920
» Thank you, mayor. um

1444
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:18,000
the um in the waste diversion minutes.

1445
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:22,079
Plus, I wanted to make an announcement

1446
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:24,480
about the uh um what we'll be doing um

1447
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:27,039
September the 12th.

1448
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:29,440
Um

1449
01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:31,119
here at town hall, we'll be giving out

1450
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:34,960
blue boxes. The waste diversion

1451
01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:38,240
committee is going to set up um um a

1452
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:40,559
table with uh information brochures on

1453
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:43,200
uh the new items that can be recycled.

1454
01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:46,160
And uh also uh like I say, we're going

1455
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:49,200
to give out uh blue box containers to

1456
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:51,440
the first 100 people that come that day

1457
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:53,920
to to receive them. That's all we have

1458
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:55,280
to give out. So I just I just want to

1459
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:58,319
stipulate that everybody's not going to

1460
01:03:55,280 --> 01:04:01,359
get one. If they're 101, they're going

1461
01:03:58,319 --> 01:04:04,000
to be out of luck, I'm afraid. But uh um

1462
01:04:01,359 --> 01:04:06,559
it's it's going to be uh September the

1463
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:08,799
12th here at the market square and uh

1464
01:04:06,559 --> 01:04:11,119
the diversion committee, myself

1465
01:04:08,799 --> 01:04:15,280
included, will be set up here and uh

1466
01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:17,440
we'll we'll uh try to um encourage you

1467
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:19,920
to do more recycling. Um if you want to

1468
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:22,480
talk to us about ideas about uh

1469
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:24,559
composting, uh anything you want to talk

1470
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:27,760
about, we'll be here to discuss it. But

1471
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:30,720
uh hopefully you'll show up on the 12th

1472
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:32,640
of September. Um the market, farmers

1473
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:34,640
market will be going at the same time.

1474
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:37,359
We may be set up at the back, we may be

1475
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:40,160
at the front. We're not uh 100% sure of

1476
01:04:37,359 --> 01:04:41,599
that, but uh we will be here. So I just

1477
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:43,599
wanted to make that announcement first

1478
01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:45,920
of all.

1479
01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:47,440
Um that's all I had on the waste

1480
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:49,440
diversion

1481
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:51,359
uh committee. May there

1482
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:53,680
» Great thanks uh council Martin, deputy

1483
01:04:51,359 --> 01:04:56,160
mayor.

1484
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:57,920
» Uh thank you your worship. Uh so

1485
01:04:56,160 --> 01:05:00,559
speaking on behalf of the uh trail

1486
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:04,240
development advisory committee um we've

1487
01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:05,760
got off uh got off our first meeting uh

1488
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:07,839
both feet hitting the ground and running

1489
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:10,400
and our second meeting we just held.

1490
01:05:07,839 --> 01:05:13,119
We've uh appointed a chair and a uh

1491
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:14,480
deputy or vice chair and we've come up

1492
01:05:13,119 --> 01:05:17,039
with some really good ideas which I

1493
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:19,359
think will be coming back to council uh

1494
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:20,799
some coming back this evening for uh

1495
01:05:19,359 --> 01:05:23,280
some of the recommendations that we've

1496
01:05:20,799 --> 01:05:25,039
come up with and I just wanted to say

1497
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:28,720
that uh this trail [clears throat]

1498
01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:30,480
committee is uh it's just an honor to be

1499
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:33,119
sitting on it and working with them

1500
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:34,720
because everybody's all rowing in the

1501
01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:36,319
same direction. It's it's just a

1502
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:38,799
fabulous group of people we've put

1503
01:05:36,319 --> 01:05:40,559
together for this. Thank you.

1504
01:05:38,799 --> 01:05:42,160
» Great. Thanks, uh, Deputy Mayor Coll. Go

1505
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:44,640
ahead, Council Martin.

1506
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:48,160
» Thank you, Mayor. Um, just on on the

1507
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:51,599
trails, u portion there, I'm with the

1508
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:54,640
sensitive use. Um, I I just wanted to

1509
01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:56,799
get uh Madame Clerk's opinion on that if

1510
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:58,960
I could.

1511
01:05:56,799 --> 01:06:01,200
» Through your staff report later this

1512
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:03,280
evening where we can discuss that.

1513
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:05,280
» Okay. Okay. because I I was just

1514
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:08,960
curious, but I know the committee's

1515
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:12,240
suggesting uh it be added to our uh to

1516
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:13,839
our bylaw. So, I just I'm I'm always

1517
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:17,200
concerned about the homeless situation

1518
01:06:13,839 --> 01:06:20,000
in um in Springside Park. So, I'm I'm

1519
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:22,960
finding, you know, if a trail can be

1520
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:25,119
designated sensitive use, certainly our

1521
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:26,960
park can be too. So, I'm just that's

1522
01:06:25,119 --> 01:06:28,319
where I'm going with this. I'll I'll

1523
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,760
leave it at that, though.

1524
01:06:28,319 --> 01:06:30,880
» Yeah. We'll uh we're going to circle

1525
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,640
back to that bill. We're gonna have a

1526
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:34,160
discussion about that. So um that's

1527
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:37,520
probably the best place to to deal with

1528
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:40,720
that. So um is there anything else with

1529
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:43,039
respect to the committee minutes?

1530
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:45,599
Seeing none uh correspondence for

1531
01:06:43,039 --> 01:06:47,039
information items dated August 25th,

1532
01:06:45,599 --> 01:06:49,039
2026. Is there anything in those

1533
01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:51,760
correspondence anyone would like to pull

1534
01:06:49,039 --> 01:06:54,640
out or have a conversation about or draw

1535
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:56,480
attention to? Seeing none, uh

1536
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:58,559
proclamation request National British

1537
01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:01,200
Home Child Day. Uh, is there anything in

1538
01:06:58,559 --> 01:07:02,960
that uh report that anyone would like to

1539
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,920
say anything about? And uh go ahead,

1540
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:06,799
Bill.

1541
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:09,839
» Thank you, Mayor. Um,

1542
01:07:06,799 --> 01:07:12,799
again, I um I want to thank the mayor

1543
01:07:09,839 --> 01:07:16,640
and council for for actually doing the

1544
01:07:12,799 --> 01:07:20,799
proclamation. It's it's always my uh

1545
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:22,720
privilege and I I because of my personal

1546
01:07:20,799 --> 01:07:26,559
situation with my own dad being one of

1547
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:29,359
the British home children. Um

1548
01:07:26,559 --> 01:07:33,359
I always every year uh enjoy doing this

1549
01:07:29,359 --> 01:07:35,599
uh to to honor not just my dad but there

1550
01:07:33,359 --> 01:07:38,160
was thousands of people that came and

1551
01:07:35,599 --> 01:07:42,000
settled right in the Napony and Alana

1552
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:44,240
area. So, I just want to honor the those

1553
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:46,960
people who who, like I say, settled here

1554
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:48,480
in Napony. And right now, there's

1555
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:52,720
literally I think there's four or five

1556
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:55,760
million people in Canada um that are

1557
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:58,240
descendants of uh the British home

1558
01:07:55,760 --> 01:08:01,359
children. So, um

1559
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:05,359
again, my porch light will be on uh

1560
01:08:01,359 --> 01:08:08,480
September 28th. And uh I I'm I'm very

1561
01:08:05,359 --> 01:08:09,920
proud and happy that uh everybody is uh

1562
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:10,960
doing this proclamation. Thank you,

1563
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:13,119
Mayor.

1564
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:14,880
» Great. Thanks, uh Council Martin.

1565
01:08:13,119 --> 01:08:17,679
Greatly appreciate it. And again, it's

1566
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:18,799
always nice to uh hear firsthand

1567
01:08:17,679 --> 01:08:21,040
knowledge. Sometimes we see the

1568
01:08:18,799 --> 01:08:22,719
proclamations, they come in and and and

1569
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:24,400
their words on paper sometimes, but it's

1570
01:08:22,719 --> 01:08:27,520
nice to hear the real life stuff. So,

1571
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:29,839
thank you for that. Um the executive

1572
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:31,040
services activity report, August 2026.

1573
01:08:29,839 --> 01:08:32,560
Is there anything in that executive

1574
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:35,199
services report that anyone had any

1575
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:38,560
questions or comments about?

1576
01:08:35,199 --> 01:08:40,480
Seeing none, uh the greater napony fire

1577
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:42,560
department activity report July 22nd to

1578
01:08:40,480 --> 01:08:44,239
August 2nd, 2026. Is there anything in

1579
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:46,239
that report anybody had any questions or

1580
01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:50,159
comments about? Councelor Shank.

1581
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:53,040
» Uh uh with great delight. uh our fire

1582
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:55,279
chief Sean uh our fire chief has come up

1583
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:57,600
with maybe a solution to solve you know

1584
01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:59,759
the alarm activations and especially and

1585
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:02,080
the burn complaints which is 31 out of

1586
01:08:59,759 --> 01:09:04,719
the 58 calls that I assume that came out

1587
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:08,799
of that area. So uh when I got the

1588
01:09:04,719 --> 01:09:10,640
recent email I went that's my chief. So

1589
01:09:08,799 --> 01:09:12,319
uh I just want to say kudos to you

1590
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,679
looking at alternative ways of you know

1591
01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:15,920
what I mean of what we can do and what

1592
01:09:13,679 --> 01:09:18,560
we can't do to save things and and still

1593
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:20,480
provide a a top-notch product. So, thank

1594
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:24,719
you.

1595
01:09:20,480 --> 01:09:26,400
» Great. Thanks, Councelor Shank. Um,

1596
01:09:24,719 --> 01:09:27,839
parks, recreation, and culture activity

1597
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,199
report. Is there anything in that report

1598
01:09:27,839 --> 01:09:31,199
anyone had any questions or comments

1599
01:09:29,199 --> 01:09:34,799
about?

1600
01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:37,679
Seeing none, um, financial and IT

1601
01:09:34,799 --> 01:09:40,480
services activity uh, activity report

1602
01:09:37,679 --> 01:09:42,799
for August of 2026. And, uh, go ahead,

1603
01:09:40,480 --> 01:09:44,960
councelor or deputy mayau.

1604
01:09:42,799 --> 01:09:47,920
» Actually, uh, worship, I did want to

1605
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:50,480
speak on the parks and recreation. Um, I

1606
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:52,719
just wanted to thank uh Mr. Brown and

1607
01:09:50,480 --> 01:09:55,040
his staff. I see the works underway uh

1608
01:09:52,719 --> 01:09:57,120
to do the to the repair on the uh town

1609
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:59,040
dock and that's great to see it. It's a

1610
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:01,280
I know it's been a very trying uh time

1611
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:03,600
to get any work done on that um due to

1612
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:05,120
high waters and busy schedules of

1613
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:08,080
everybody involved. I want to say thank

1614
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:10,159
you very much for getting it going.

1615
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:12,880
» Great. Thanks uh deputy mayor Calvert.

1616
01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:15,600
Uh so the financial and IT services uh

1617
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:17,199
activity report is that report that uh

1618
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:19,920
anyone had any questions or comments

1619
01:10:17,199 --> 01:10:23,120
about I'm sure Mr. Grant will be able to

1620
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:27,199
help us out on that one too maybe.

1621
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:29,120
Uh seeing none um the access E11 July

1622
01:10:27,199 --> 01:10:30,560
2026 report. Is there anything in that

1623
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:32,880
report that anyone had any questions or

1624
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:34,640
comments about?

1625
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:37,120
Seeing none. So we'll look for a motion

1626
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:40,719
that the minutes of the regular session

1627
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:42,000
of council Jul dated July 28th, 2026 and

1628
01:10:40,719 --> 01:10:43,920
the special session of council dated

1629
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,960
August 11th, 2026 be adopted as

1630
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:46,480
presented. That the minutes of the

1631
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,840
recreation advisory committee, trailer

1632
01:10:46,480 --> 01:10:50,159
development advisory committee, waste

1633
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:53,280
diversion committee uh Marco Square

1634
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:56,080
Advisory Committee of July 2026

1635
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:57,280
and August to August 13, 2026 be

1636
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,960
received for information that the

1637
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:01,840
correspondence for information items

1638
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:03,199
dated August 25th, 2026 be received. The

1639
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:05,760
council endorsed the proclamation

1640
01:11:03,199 --> 01:11:07,920
request for the National British Home

1641
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:09,840
Child Day and that the activity reports

1642
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:11,360
for executive services, financial and IT

1643
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:14,080
services, fire department and parks and

1644
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:16,960
reculture for the month of August 2026

1645
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:20,320
and the access E11 report for July 2026

1646
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:22,800
items 8.6 through 8.10 be received for

1647
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:24,880
information. Moved by councelor Davyy,

1648
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:26,719
second by councelor Shank. If there's no

1649
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:28,880
further comments, questions or concerns,

1650
01:11:26,719 --> 01:11:31,440
all in favor of that motion? Motion's

1651
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:33,440
carried. items for consideration. I

1652
01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:37,040
don't believe we have any of those,

1653
01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:38,960
madame clerk, if I'm not mistaken. So,

1654
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:41,920
um, that gets us into the executive

1655
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:43,520
services grass bylaw compliance order

1656
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,960
0307.

1657
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:48,120
And madam clerk, you're going to speak

1658
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:48,120
to this

1659
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:10,880
Good evening, your worship and members

1660
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:13,679
of council. Um, at the July 28th

1661
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:16,000
meeting, council heard a deputation and

1662
01:12:13,679 --> 01:12:18,080
requested a report back. So, the report

1663
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:21,280
before you covers a number of areas.

1664
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:26,239
that covers the um specific context of

1665
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:28,000
this order in question. Um as well as

1666
01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:31,280
the enforcement of the grass bylaw in

1667
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:34,159
greater Napony more broadly. Um staff do

1668
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:36,239
note that we are seeing a we're seeing

1669
01:12:34,159 --> 01:12:39,840
an increasing trend across the board in

1670
01:12:36,239 --> 01:12:42,080
requests for enforcement of bylaws as

1671
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:45,440
people become more familiar with using

1672
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:47,760
the E11 tool to submit requests. Um but

1673
01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:50,320
grass does remain one of our

1674
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:53,520
consistently in our top five areas where

1675
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:57,760
residents request um enforcement action

1676
01:12:53,520 --> 01:13:00,159
to be taken. Um

1677
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:02,480
staff do acknowledge that the bylaw is

1678
01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:04,800
over 25 years old. When we look at our

1679
01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:07,920
other comparators, it's it's definitely

1680
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:10,800
the oldest um bylaw in that list and we

1681
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:13,199
would recommend that it be looked at.

1682
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:16,560
However, because it it affects everyone,

1683
01:13:13,199 --> 01:13:18,960
and we know that there's very strong

1684
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:20,640
feelings and opinions about what's

1685
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:21,840
important to have in a grass bylaw, we

1686
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:24,239
think it's really important to do

1687
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:27,520
extensive um public consultation and get

1688
01:13:24,239 --> 01:13:29,440
community input um for for a council to

1689
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:31,440
hear what the residents of Greater

1690
01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:33,199
Napony feel is important to them to have

1691
01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:37,760
in a grass bylaw, which is why we

1692
01:13:33,199 --> 01:13:39,280
recommend um that that decision be a

1693
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:41,360
recommendation that the next term of

1694
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:43,360
council look at it very early, ideally

1695
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:45,280
before the next enforcement season

1696
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:49,520
begins, but that that not be something

1697
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:52,080
that we try to rush through uh in the

1698
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:54,719
last couple months of this term. Um just

1699
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:56,400
because it is

1700
01:13:54,719 --> 01:13:58,000
just about every property in town has

1701
01:13:56,400 --> 01:14:00,239
some form of grass on it and so it's

1702
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:03,040
something a lot of people we should give

1703
01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:05,600
them the opportunity to to participate

1704
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:07,600
in that conversation.

1705
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:11,199
Um

1706
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:12,880
we do discuss the um

1707
01:14:11,199 --> 01:14:16,480
the decision that was made by the

1708
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:18,719
superior court earlier this year. Um

1709
01:14:16,480 --> 01:14:21,280
where there is a charter right around

1710
01:14:18,719 --> 01:14:23,600
personal expression uh that can be made

1711
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:25,280
through lawns particularly through the

1712
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:27,520
decision to naturalize lawns which

1713
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:29,920
speaks to personal values. Um the

1714
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:32,800
court's decision really indicated that

1715
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:36,159
if a municipality is is going to enforce

1716
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:38,560
a grass bylaw, it needs to be able to um

1717
01:14:36,159 --> 01:14:40,800
have policy reasons why that is

1718
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:44,239
necessary as well as ensuring that it

1719
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:48,480
has taken a a minimally impairing

1720
01:14:44,239 --> 01:14:50,640
approach. Um

1721
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:52,880
lots of Ontario municipalities are still

1722
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:56,239
working through what exactly that means

1723
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:58,080
in their specific local contexts. Um, we

1724
01:14:56,239 --> 01:15:00,239
do note in the report that eastern

1725
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:02,159
Ontario does have a higher prevalence of

1726
01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:04,000
Lyme disease and blacklegged ticks than

1727
01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:06,560
maybe other areas of the province. And

1728
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:10,800
that is certainly a valid consideration

1729
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:13,520
in a grass bylaw as well as um making

1730
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:15,360
sure that

1731
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:17,280
a lot of bylaw enforcement is making

1732
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:19,600
sure that neighbors can live with each

1733
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:22,640
other. uh that one person's right to use

1734
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:24,880
their own property doesn't um cause

1735
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:27,679
negative impacts or unreasonably

1736
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:33,679
negative impacts to the people uh who

1737
01:15:27,679 --> 01:15:35,440
are also living in that same area. Um

1738
01:15:33,679 --> 01:15:38,239
again, there's several options here

1739
01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:41,120
before council for consideration. Um

1740
01:15:38,239 --> 01:15:42,960
whether you want to tackle updating this

1741
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:44,800
bylaw now, defer that to the next term

1742
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:48,000
of council, and whether what you want to

1743
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:50,640
do with this specific order. um whether

1744
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:53,280
it be set aside for the remainder of

1745
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:55,040
this year with an understanding that the

1746
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:56,880
property will that's not an exemption

1747
01:15:55,040 --> 01:16:00,000
forever and the property will be subject

1748
01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:04,880
to whatever new rules may or may not

1749
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:07,520
come into effect in the future. Um

1750
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:10,080
but staff are happy to respond any

1751
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:12,560
questions the council may have on this.

1752
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:15,840
» Great. Thanks uh madam clerk. Uh who

1753
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:16,400
wants to start?

1754
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:17,840
You're

1755
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:20,239
» Yeah. Go ahead. Councelor Shank,

1756
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:23,520
» That has to be addressed. All right. The

1757
01:16:20,239 --> 01:16:26,960
key is is with the bylaw,

1758
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:29,120
what one does, everybody has to do. What

1759
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:31,600
I find is that I I'm in agreement with

1760
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:34,239
the staff recommendation under one point

1761
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:37,840
that I think we should reduce is the

1762
01:16:34,239 --> 01:16:40,880
buffer zone from 15 ft to 10 ft. This

1763
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:42,719
alleviates any other min any other areas

1764
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:45,120
of naturalization that we currently

1765
01:16:42,719 --> 01:16:48,159
have. All right. that's bordering to

1766
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:50,880
somebody that wants to keep their lawn

1767
01:16:48,159 --> 01:16:52,960
as as a lawn. All right? So, you don't

1768
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:55,120
have that [clears throat] grass or weeds

1769
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:57,360
or whatever it might be over on that

1770
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:59,600
property. So, a 10-ft buffer, what

1771
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:01,760
they're suggesting, I feel is a very

1772
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:04,400
much of a compromise. And in the

1773
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:06,480
meantime, over the winter time in the

1774
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:08,800
new council, Jessica will be coming up

1775
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:10,480
and drafting a new bylaw, something that

1776
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:13,520
is

1777
01:17:10,480 --> 01:17:15,520
palatable for everybody, whether they're

1778
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:19,280
the new council wants to have no

1779
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:20,800
naturalization or some naturalization or

1780
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:23,440
what they would like, but it gives

1781
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:26,080
everybody in the municipality

1782
01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:27,840
that can have a voice towards it and go

1783
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:29,760
through that.

1784
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:31,679
So everybody will have a say whether

1785
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:33,920
they do or they don't. Do they does the

1786
01:17:31,679 --> 01:17:35,840
municipality want it or not want it? All

1787
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:39,199
right. So this is kind of a happy

1788
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:41,920
medium. So as far as I'm concerned, uh

1789
01:17:39,199 --> 01:17:44,640
it's a fair approach. I agree with the

1790
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:48,400
municipality, but all we're asking for

1791
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:51,760
is a 10 ft buffer zone that with the

1792
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:53,679
reasons what uh just get already done.

1793
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:55,600
So and I'll move that staff

1794
01:17:53,679 --> 01:17:57,120
recommendation.

1795
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:58,560
» Yeah. Great. Thanks. Uh, thanks

1796
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,920
councelor Shank. We'll see if anyone

1797
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:01,520
else wants to weigh in. I'll weigh in

1798
01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:05,679
and then I'll look I'll come back to you

1799
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:10,239
for that uh for that motion. So, um, is

1800
01:18:05,679 --> 01:18:13,520
there anything else before I weigh in?

1801
01:18:10,239 --> 01:18:16,520
Uh, councelor Martin. Thank you, Mayor.

1802
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,520
Um,

1803
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:22,320
just just the fact that we're going to

1804
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:24,400
be reviewing our bylaw and producing a

1805
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:26,159
new bylaw, I'm assuming, although maybe

1806
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:27,920
not. Maybe it'll be the same as the old

1807
01:18:26,159 --> 01:18:30,239
one, but I just think if there's going

1808
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:33,520
to be a staff review,

1809
01:18:30,239 --> 01:18:36,800
um, this order to mow should be

1810
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:39,040
suspended and until that's done and we

1811
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:41,440
have a new bylaw in place. So, that

1812
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:43,840
would be my recommendation. Uh, I know

1813
01:18:41,440 --> 01:18:47,520
it's not staff recommendation, but uh,

1814
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:51,360
that's my recommendation. I I I

1815
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:55,840
just feel that um, naturalization has to

1816
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:58,239
has to have some weight in this. Um,

1817
01:18:55,840 --> 01:19:01,040
some people uh I know are worried about

1818
01:18:58,239 --> 01:19:05,199
ticks, but I I and they're worried about

1819
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:08,640
noxious weeds. But sometimes

1820
01:19:05,199 --> 01:19:10,800
sometimes you have to go beyond

1821
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:13,440
those things to I mean it's very

1822
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:15,520
important that we also have pollination

1823
01:19:13,440 --> 01:19:18,880
with our bees and with our butterflies.

1824
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:21,120
It's so I I'm the opposite of some

1825
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:23,600
people's view on this and uh I would

1826
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:27,120
just recommend right like I say

1827
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:29,120
suspending this order temporarily until

1828
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:31,840
it's reviewed and a new ballot comes

1829
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:34,000
forward. That's that's about the best I

1830
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:35,840
can say right now. Thank you.

1831
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:37,840
» Great. Thanks uh councelor Martin. Go

1832
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:40,560
ahead councelor.

1833
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:42,719
» Um just briefly uh I pretty well agree

1834
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:44,719
with councelor Martin. We have to look

1835
01:19:42,719 --> 01:19:47,360
at each case. As we've said with the

1836
01:19:44,719 --> 01:19:50,320
wetlands and whatnot that the case by

1837
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:52,000
case, this is not the same. This this

1838
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:53,920
this lady's piece of property I want to

1839
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:56,400
look at is not the same as Robert and

1840
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:59,120
Water Street. That is a mess. That

1841
01:19:56,400 --> 01:20:00,960
should be cut. But they can't say now

1842
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:03,280
that's a wild land cuz it's not. That's

1843
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:04,719
just one example. So she's done

1844
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:06,640
something proper. I think we she should

1845
01:20:04,719 --> 01:20:09,040
be put on hold until a new bylaw comes

1846
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:12,000
out. And uh again look at them case by

1847
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:14,960
case. That's that's my opinion. Great.

1848
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:19,199
Thanks, uh, councelor Nori. Um, is there

1849
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:22,560
anything else? Uh, before I weigh in,

1850
01:20:19,199 --> 01:20:22,640
uh, seeing none, I, uh, I, I, I, I, I,

1851
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:23,920
I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,

1852
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:26,640
I, I, I have to agree with Councelor

1853
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:30,080
Shank. Um, I I think what we're doing

1854
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:33,199
here is taking a very measured approach.

1855
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:35,679
I don't think we are in a position to

1856
01:20:33,199 --> 01:20:39,679
completely discredit

1857
01:20:35,679 --> 01:20:41,840
the risk of the blacklegged tick.

1858
01:20:39,679 --> 01:20:46,320
And the reason I say that is is because

1859
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:48,000
back in it's become a

1860
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:53,520
public safety issue at some point

1861
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:57,600
because um back in April of 2025,

1862
01:20:53,520 --> 01:21:00,800
the Southeastern Health Unit put out a

1863
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:02,719
release that identified that the risk of

1864
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:04,480
encountering the blacklegged ticks. And

1865
01:21:02,719 --> 01:21:05,920
I I'll just read parts of it. And and I

1866
01:21:04,480 --> 01:21:07,120
know that there's uh there's folks out

1867
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:09,360
there that have the ability to find

1868
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:10,800
this, but the risk of encountering

1869
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:13,600
blacklegged ticks in the southeast

1870
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:16,000
region, which where we are, is very high

1871
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:18,239
compared to the rest of the province. So

1872
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:20,400
it's it's we're in a part of the the

1873
01:21:18,239 --> 01:21:22,880
world that this is a very prevalent

1874
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:26,880
public health issue. Uh that was in

1875
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:29,120
April of 2025. In May of 2026, uh they

1876
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:31,040
they've released again the health unit,

1877
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:32,320
the the the Southeastern Health Unit has

1878
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:34,159
released and said that the warm weather

1879
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:36,320
is here. The Southeast Public Health

1880
01:21:34,159 --> 01:21:39,520
Unit is reminding residents that the

1881
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:43,760
region is an established high risk for

1882
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:46,400
blacklegged ticks. So, they've they've

1883
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:48,626
reconfirmed that we have an issue here.

1884
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:50,480
we have a problem here that uh that

1885
01:21:48,626 --> 01:21:53,679
[clears throat] we all know has the

1886
01:21:50,480 --> 01:21:55,840
ability to to to spread the the Lyme

1887
01:21:53,679 --> 01:21:58,960
disease.

1888
01:21:55,840 --> 01:22:01,120
throughout um throughout my readings, I

1889
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:04,159
was able to obviously I I went on to the

1890
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:08,639
the province of Ontario's website um

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01:22:04,159 --> 01:22:12,320
that talks about um ticks, Lyme disease,

1892
01:22:08,639 --> 01:22:14,480
uh avoiding uh tick bites and and and

1893
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:16,800
the link is is within I I thank Madam

1894
01:22:14,480 --> 01:22:19,040
Clerk because Madame Clerk has been so

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01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:21,679
gracious to put that link in the staff

1896
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:22,880
report that we've seen in that uh so

1897
01:22:21,679 --> 01:22:24,560
when you go to the link and you click

1898
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:26,800
it, it talks about maintaining your

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01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:28,480
property And it says you can help keep

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01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:31,679
blacklegged ticks away from your

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01:22:28,480 --> 01:22:35,360
property by and the first note is

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01:22:31,679 --> 01:22:38,560
keeping grass mode short.

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01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:42,400
So it's [clears throat] very highly d uh

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01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:43,920
documented that um

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01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:46,560
we have a problem here. it's a

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01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:48,719
high-risisk area and and that's uh one

1907
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:50,000
of the ways in order to to remedy the

1908
01:22:48,719 --> 01:22:52,880
problem and it's not going to make I

1909
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:54,400
think we're all not uh [sighs]

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01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:57,040
naive enough to know that it's not going

1911
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:58,639
to completely but it's going to mitigate

1912
01:22:57,040 --> 01:23:01,840
the problem with with the blacklegged

1913
01:22:58,639 --> 01:23:05,040
ticks is is to keep some grass cut. So

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01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:06,560
we as a council have to consider and and

1915
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:08,320
we are we're taking into consideration

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01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:11,280
the naturalization. I think we are

1917
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:13,440
because uh uh we we've we've seen the uh

1918
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:14,800
the case law at least I have and I've

1919
01:23:13,440 --> 01:23:17,840
read through the case law and the case

1920
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:20,000
law is somewhat helpful but it's not

1921
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:22,400
completely helpful because the case law

1922
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:24,719
doesn't address public health or safety

1923
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:26,480
issues which I'm assuming in the city of

1924
01:23:24,719 --> 01:23:28,159
Missaga they don't have the same issues

1925
01:23:26,480 --> 01:23:30,320
that we do at the in the town of Greater

1926
01:23:28,159 --> 01:23:33,280
Napony or in the southeast health unit

1927
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:36,080
area catchment area. So um while it's

1928
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:39,120
helpful, it it is case law that uh we we

1929
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:41,120
have to be cognizant of, but it doesn't

1930
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:44,639
completely cover the issues that we have

1931
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:46,800
here. And I think uh um we have to keep

1932
01:23:44,639 --> 01:23:48,480
in mind that there is a public health

1933
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:50,239
issue with respect to the blacklegged

1934
01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:51,600
ticks and the Lyme disease in our in our

1935
01:23:50,239 --> 01:23:52,960
catchment area. So how are we going to

1936
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:55,840
how are we going to rectify that and how

1937
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:59,040
we going to remedy that? Um I I agree

1938
01:23:55,840 --> 01:24:01,120
with councelor Shank that um a buffer

1939
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:03,120
zone which also in the documentations

1940
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:05,440
from the province it it talks about uh

1941
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:07,600
buffer zones and at one point it talks

1942
01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:10,480
about even considering placing uh when

1943
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:11,920
you have u uh equipment uh swings and

1944
01:24:10,480 --> 01:24:14,159
playground equipment and that types of

1945
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:15,760
thing of placing wood chips or mulch and

1946
01:24:14,159 --> 01:24:20,080
the foundation of that to try and help

1947
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:23,600
to um to mitigate the fact of uh of the

1948
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:28,080
issue of of the blacklegged tick. So, um

1949
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:29,840
I think the buffer zone um is the most

1950
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:31,520
appropriate thing to do and and and like

1951
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:34,239
I say, we have to not only take into

1952
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:36,719
consideration those folks that uh wish

1953
01:24:34,239 --> 01:24:38,560
to have naturalized lawns, but we have

1954
01:24:36,719 --> 01:24:40,320
to take into the the consideration the

1955
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:42,000
rest of the population as well that may

1956
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:45,600
come in contact with a blacklegged tick

1957
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:47,920
and get bit. So, um I have to agree with

1958
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:50,639
councelor Shank with respect to to uh

1959
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:53,040
what he's saying. I think we owe it to

1960
01:24:50,639 --> 01:24:55,600
our community to ensure that we have

1961
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:57,760
done everything that we could do in

1962
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:59,920
light of the fact that we are cognizant

1963
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:02,080
and same as every other municipality in

1964
01:24:59,920 --> 01:25:05,440
this province is cognizant of the fact

1965
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:06,880
that their their bylaws with respect to

1966
01:25:05,440 --> 01:25:09,679
grass cutting probably should be

1967
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:11,280
reviewed and I and I have to think uh um

1968
01:25:09,679 --> 01:25:12,639
with the with the extra time that we're

1969
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:14,159
going to have now as we're moving into

1970
01:25:12,639 --> 01:25:16,880
into the winter season or the fall

1971
01:25:14,159 --> 01:25:18,800
season um it's going to provide us an

1972
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:20,320
opportunity to to have a robust

1973
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:21,679
conversation with respect to cutting

1974
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:24,639
grass. It's going to provide us the

1975
01:25:21,679 --> 01:25:30,960
opportunity to to come up with a uh an

1976
01:25:24,639 --> 01:25:32,800
updated a a very um thorough

1977
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:35,920
bylaw which is going to take into

1978
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:38,534
account uh all the citizens. So, uh,

1979
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:39,120
having said that, um, and and I guess

1980
01:25:38,534 --> 01:25:41,120
[sighs]

1981
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:42,960
what I should also and and I want to

1982
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:44,800
make sure that we we we we've dotted all

1983
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:47,920
the eyes and cross the tees here, but,

1984
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:51,760
uh, um, there has been a large number of

1985
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:55,920
correspondence that get, uh, um, um,

1986
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:58,239
received and supported through quite a

1987
01:25:55,920 --> 01:26:02,320
few of the 444 municipalities in this

1988
01:25:58,239 --> 01:26:06,080
province. uh asking the province to to

1989
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:08,239
get engaged in in the um the assistance

1990
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:10,639
of trying to solve the Lyme disease

1991
01:26:08,239 --> 01:26:13,600
problem that we have. So, and I think uh

1992
01:26:10,639 --> 01:26:15,360
I think we all know that the best way of

1993
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:19,040
resolving the Lyme disease problem is

1994
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:21,280
not getting Lyme disease. So, um and and

1995
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:22,719
that uh and I don't have unfortunately I

1996
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:24,000
don't have that documentation in front

1997
01:26:22,719 --> 01:26:26,320
of me tonight, but I know that I could

1998
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:30,320
find it fairly quickly. uh and I noted

1999
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:32,320
it that it's uh not only been um

2000
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:34,000
received and supported by municipalities

2001
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:36,239
in the rural areas, it's been received

2002
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:38,639
and noted and and supported by

2003
01:26:36,239 --> 01:26:41,199
municipalities in northwestern Ontario

2004
01:26:38,639 --> 01:26:44,159
as as well as uh those in the GTA area.

2005
01:26:41,199 --> 01:26:46,320
So, um I I think we we need to do our

2006
01:26:44,159 --> 01:26:50,400
due diligence on this at this point and

2007
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:52,560
uh um provide some form of a buffer,

2008
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:54,400
which I think 10 ft is is probably the

2009
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:57,600
fair amount as we've heard in in

2010
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:59,760
previous reports that uh the 15T buffer

2011
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:02,400
zone is is a buffer zone that is being

2012
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:05,840
used by a municipality that's close to

2013
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:07,440
us. Um I think uh which which which

2014
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:09,280
would be fine but I think the 10-ft

2015
01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:11,760
buffer zone would be sufficient to in

2016
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:14,080
order to provide the uh the public

2017
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:16,719
safety that I think uh we need to

2018
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:18,320
provide with respect to this. So having

2019
01:27:16,719 --> 01:27:20,320
said all that is there anything that

2020
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:22,320
anyone else would like to comment uh and

2021
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:24,960
I'll put it back because I've obviously

2022
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:26,719
talked a lot this evening. Um is there

2023
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:28,719
anything else anybody would else would

2024
01:27:26,719 --> 01:27:29,920
like to say before I uh ask councelor

2025
01:27:28,719 --> 01:27:31,199
Shank to make a motion? Go ahead deputy

2026
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:33,679
mayor cover then I'll go to councelor

2027
01:27:31,199 --> 01:27:35,679
Martin. Thank you through your worship.

2028
01:27:33,679 --> 01:27:39,040
So just for the public out there

2029
01:27:35,679 --> 01:27:42,800
listening, our current bylaw, which is a

2030
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:44,719
law, states grass must be cut entire

2031
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:47,679
yard.

2032
01:27:44,719 --> 01:27:50,880
What I'm hearing and understand from the

2033
01:27:47,679 --> 01:27:53,199
report I've read is that we're going to

2034
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:56,000
not go with a 15t buffer zone, but a

2035
01:27:53,199 --> 01:27:58,480
10-ft buffer zone.

2036
01:27:56,000 --> 01:28:01,120
That's acceptable for now until we have

2037
01:27:58,480 --> 01:28:04,320
a chance to review our bylaws.

2038
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:06,960
So, we are making a bit of an adjustment

2039
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:09,679
to our bylaw [clears throat] for this

2040
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:12,080
particular piece of property

2041
01:28:09,679 --> 01:28:13,920
until such time

2042
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:16,400
we get a chance to review everything and

2043
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:19,760
review it thoroughly, which I think is

2044
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:21,040
is more than fair. Thank you. Thanks,

2045
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:22,400
Deputy Mayor Calver. And go ahead,

2046
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:26,159
councelor Martin.

2047
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:29,120
» Thank you, Mayor. um

2048
01:28:26,159 --> 01:28:30,880
through you. Um

2049
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:32,480
can [clears throat]

2050
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:36,239
since we are going to be reviewing our

2051
01:28:32,480 --> 01:28:39,360
bylaw and there could be changes uh to

2052
01:28:36,239 --> 01:28:40,560
it and in view of the fact that there's

2053
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:42,400
cold weather coming, there's going to be

2054
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:43,920
snow covering the ground. I don't think

2055
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:47,679
anybody's going to get any ticks from

2056
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:53,239
that, can we not suspend this order to

2057
01:28:47,679 --> 01:28:53,239
mow until that bylaw is reviewed?

2058
01:28:56,480 --> 01:29:01,920
Uh we we as a council obviously

2059
01:28:58,480 --> 01:29:04,400
councelor Martin can uh do whatever

2060
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:07,280
forehands say we do when they put it in

2061
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:09,520
the air but uh um I think we just need

2062
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:13,040
to remind everyone that uh the issue

2063
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:15,040
with the tick population unfortunately

2064
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:17,120
um a number of years ago the cold

2065
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:18,800
weather used to kill them off but

2066
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:20,239
unfortunately that doesn't exist anymore

2067
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:21,840
so that doesn't kill them off and and

2068
01:29:20,239 --> 01:29:24,880
and from my understanding any of the

2069
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:28,159
research I've done on it is that uh even

2070
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:30,400
the uh even the winters that we have

2071
01:29:28,159 --> 01:29:33,760
here aren't sufficient enough to keep

2072
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:37,760
them at bay. So um that's my

2073
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:40,480
understanding of it anyways. So but uh

2074
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:43,760
like I say we can uh I'll I'll entertain

2075
01:29:40,480 --> 01:29:46,800
uh councelor Shank's motion and then

2076
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:48,400
we'll go from there. So thank you.

2077
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:50,000
I'll say one final thing if you go ahead

2078
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:51,920
counc

2079
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:54,560
» The way I look at it council Martin

2080
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:56,560
councel nory is that the bylaw currently

2081
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:58,800
states you have to cut your whole lot

2082
01:29:56,560 --> 01:30:01,360
all right it's a residential not not

2083
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:03,440
fully developed residential subdivision

2084
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:07,440
all right it's in a residential

2085
01:30:03,440 --> 01:30:09,840
subdivision so we have for the we had I

2086
01:30:07,440 --> 01:30:13,199
think minimum of 60 complaints just in

2087
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:17,520
the south of different lots all right

2088
01:30:13,199 --> 01:30:19,840
that the bylaw had to do uh most of them

2089
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:21,920
or pretty well all of them have done

2090
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:24,239
theirs.

2091
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:26,639
I understand the proponent who's went

2092
01:30:24,239 --> 01:30:28,239
ahead and said, "Hey, I've I've got a

2093
01:30:26,639 --> 01:30:30,080
you know, I don't lived in the

2094
01:30:28,239 --> 01:30:33,520
countryside all the time, but I have a

2095
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:34,960
I've made a natural lawn here with this

2096
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:37,600
that to teach my kids and everything

2097
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:40,960
else, which he has a valid point."

2098
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:44,880
But all I'm saying is is that if a 10-ft

2099
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:48,800
boundary, all right, because if you let

2100
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:50,159
this lady go 100% and not have a buffer,

2101
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:51,920
what about the proponent that's right

2102
01:30:50,159 --> 01:30:53,840
beside it that wants to have their lawn

2103
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:56,719
cut perfectly?

2104
01:30:53,840 --> 01:31:01,199
So 10 ft out of the acreage that she

2105
01:30:56,719 --> 01:31:03,840
has, all right, on this I feel is a a

2106
01:31:01,199 --> 01:31:05,199
fair and approachable,

2107
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:06,880
you know what I mean? something that's

2108
01:31:05,199 --> 01:31:09,360
protecting the neighbors and other

2109
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:11,840
locations also and this location. All

2110
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:14,159
right. And it's something that's that's

2111
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:16,239
uh you're not going ahead and cutting

2112
01:31:14,159 --> 01:31:17,440
the whole lot especially when you have a

2113
01:31:16,239 --> 01:31:19,679
valid point and this should be

2114
01:31:17,440 --> 01:31:21,440
addressed. We are going to address this

2115
01:31:19,679 --> 01:31:23,679
in the meantime. You're setting a

2116
01:31:21,440 --> 01:31:25,440
precedent. Also, if you have a natural

2117
01:31:23,679 --> 01:31:27,840
lies and you have done the work that the

2118
01:31:25,440 --> 01:31:30,480
lady has done, you have to have a buffer

2119
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:32,239
road to protect your neighbors also. You

2120
01:31:30,480 --> 01:31:34,560
can't just let leave your yard into

2121
01:31:32,239 --> 01:31:36,880
natural because the next neighbor beside

2122
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:38,560
might not like that. So you have to take

2123
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:41,600
that under consideration also. That's

2124
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:44,560
the reason why I feel this is a fair and

2125
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:47,280
measured approach of what we're doing.

2126
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:50,800
So that's why it's proud. There we go.

2127
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:52,320
» Great. Thanks uh councelor Shank. Uh we

2128
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:54,000
do have a recommendation. I think it was

2129
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:55,840
staff recommendation that you wish to uh

2130
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:57,199
with the the minor modification. And

2131
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:58,880
I'll read it so everybody is aware of

2132
01:31:57,199 --> 01:32:00,800
it. That council receive for information

2133
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:03,600
executive services grass bylaw review

2134
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:05,199
and compliance order 0307 report. And

2135
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:07,520
further that council direct that no

2136
01:32:05,199 --> 01:32:09,520
changes be made to the grass bylaw at

2137
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:12,320
this time, but that a recommendation to

2138
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:14,239
review the bylaw in advance of the next

2139
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:16,080
enforcement season be presented to the

2140
01:32:14,239 --> 01:32:17,840
next term of council. And further that

2141
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:21,120
the council direct the compliance order

2142
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:23,840
0307 be upheld and modified to require a

2143
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:26,400
buffer zone of 10 feet to be mowed on

2144
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:29,280
the southeast south and east boundaries

2145
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:31,840
of the lot to a height below 10 in with

2146
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:34,159
an exception of the any wet land areas

2147
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:37,600
and with a compliance deadline of the

2148
01:32:34,159 --> 01:32:40,320
8th of September 2026.

2149
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:42,639
And you'll make that by way of motion.

2150
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:45,360
And we have a seconder with councelor

2151
01:32:42,639 --> 01:32:47,840
Davyy has is the seconder. Is there any

2152
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:49,679
further comments, questions, or concerns

2153
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:50,400
before we call for the vote? Council

2154
01:32:49,679 --> 01:32:52,639
Martin,

2155
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:55,520
» Can we have a recorded vote, please?

2156
01:32:52,639 --> 01:32:58,239
» Uh oh. Yeah. Oh, Madam Clerk is out

2157
01:32:55,520 --> 01:33:00,880
here. So, yeah. Uh, Madame Clerk, if if

2158
01:32:58,239 --> 01:33:03,120
there's nothing else, um, uh, I'll turn

2159
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:05,440
it over to you.

2160
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:06,159
» All right. Um, Ward One, Councelor

2161
01:33:05,440 --> 01:33:07,920
Shank.

2162
01:33:06,159 --> 01:33:09,280
» W three, Councelor Davey.

2163
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:09,760
» Ward four, councelor Nory,

2164
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:11,280
» No.

2165
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:11,840
» Ward five, councelor Martin,

2166
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:13,120
» No.

2167
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:14,719
» Deputy Mayor Caliber,

2168
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:15,280
» Yes. Mayor Richardson.

2169
01:33:14,719 --> 01:33:17,199
» Yes,

2170
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:19,040
» That motion's carried.

2171
01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:20,880
» Great. Thank you uh thank you folks and

2172
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:23,440
thank you uh madam clerk for doing that.

2173
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:26,159
So moving on to the next matter,

2174
01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:29,280
financial and IT services OCIF funding

2175
01:33:26,159 --> 01:33:31,120
support resolution. And

2176
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:34,120
Mr. Murphy, you're going to speak to

2177
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:34,120
that.

2178
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:46,560
uh through your worship. I I don't have

2179
01:33:44,719 --> 01:33:48,320
a whole lot to add to the report in

2180
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:51,199
front of you. Uh I think it speaks for

2181
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:53,840
itself in terms of the financial impact.

2182
01:33:51,199 --> 01:33:55,760
If OCIF was lost for the municipality,

2183
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:57,920
uh it is not a small amount of money and

2184
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:59,840
the projects it goes towards on an

2185
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:01,040
annual basis. U if those funds were

2186
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:04,159
lost, I think it would have a major

2187
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:05,840
impact on the municipality. Uh as to

2188
01:34:04,159 --> 01:34:08,159
what council wishes to do, that's

2189
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:09,840
totally up to them in terms of um

2190
01:34:08,159 --> 01:34:11,520
whether they want to advocate or whether

2191
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:14,000
they do not want to or the method they

2192
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:16,239
wish to do so. Um but staff feel that

2193
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:18,480
this is a extremely important issue and

2194
01:34:16,239 --> 01:34:20,960
the financial impact uh would be

2195
01:34:18,480 --> 01:34:23,199
significant on the budget as a whole. Um

2196
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:25,679
so happy to take any questions if you

2197
01:34:23,199 --> 01:34:27,040
wish. Um but otherwise I'll leave it up

2198
01:34:25,679 --> 01:34:28,800
to you.

2199
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:30,719
» Thanks Nathan. Uh is there any questions

2200
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:32,400
or comments with respect to Mr. Nathan's

2201
01:34:30,719 --> 01:34:34,560
presentation of the report that's in

2202
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:35,920
front of us this evening.

2203
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:37,360
Seeing none, we do have a recommendation

2204
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:39,280
the council receive for information the

2205
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:40,639
financial IT services OCF funding

2206
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:42,480
support resolution report and further

2207
01:34:40,639 --> 01:34:44,800
council support the municipal finances

2208
01:34:42,480 --> 01:34:47,440
finance officers association of Ontario.

2209
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:49,440
The MFOA requests that the province of

2210
01:34:47,440 --> 01:34:50,960
Ontario make a permanent make permanent

2211
01:34:49,440 --> 01:34:53,840
the doubling of the Ontario Community

2212
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:55,920
Infrastructure Fund funding from 200

2213
01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:59,280
million to 400 million annually

2214
01:34:55,920 --> 01:35:00,639
beginning in 2027 and that a copy of the

2215
01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:01,760
resolution be forwarded to the Premier

2216
01:35:00,639 --> 01:35:03,120
of Ontario, the Minister of

2217
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:04,400
Infrastructure, Minister of Municipal

2218
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:05,600
Affairs and Housing, the Minister of

2219
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:07,920
Finance, the Minister of Finance

2220
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:09,600
Officers Association of Ontario, the

2221
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:11,199
Association of Municipalities Ontario,

2222
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:12,800
the Member of Provincial Parliament for

2223
01:35:11,199 --> 01:35:16,320
Hastings, Lennoxx and Anington and

2224
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:18,800
Ontario municipality Nice. Moved by

2225
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:21,120
councelor Davyy, seconded by councelor

2226
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:23,199
Nory. If there's no further comments,

2227
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:25,920
questions, or concerns, all in favor of

2228
01:35:23,199 --> 01:35:27,760
that motion? Opposed? Motion's carried.

2229
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:30,320
Trails Development Advisory Committee

2230
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:31,520
initial recommendations. And Mr. Grant,

2231
01:35:30,320 --> 01:35:34,520
uh, when you're ready, the floor is

2232
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:34,520
yours.

2233
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:54,000
Thank you. And through your your worship

2234
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:56,239
uh to members of council, this is uh the

2235
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:59,040
first set of recommendations from the

2236
01:35:56,239 --> 01:36:01,199
trails development advisory committee.

2237
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:04,159
Um so the committee as uh the deputy

2238
01:36:01,199 --> 01:36:07,360
mayor has pointed out has met twice. Um

2239
01:36:04,159 --> 01:36:11,120
they have uh broken down their work uh

2240
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:13,040
into uh a number of different areas. Um

2241
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:15,040
so they're going to uh go over

2242
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:18,239
everything from

2243
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:20,159
uh safety and security to amenities uh

2244
01:36:18,239 --> 01:36:22,880
and the like. So they've they've put out

2245
01:36:20,159 --> 01:36:24,080
a a pretty robust uh work plan, safety,

2246
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:25,520
security issues, amenities and

2247
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:28,639
accessibility, recommended service

2248
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:31,440
levels and promotion of the trails.

2249
01:36:28,639 --> 01:36:34,560
Um in going through their first uh and

2250
01:36:31,440 --> 01:36:37,120
second meetings, the committee had a few

2251
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:41,120
recommendations uh that they wanted uh

2252
01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:44,880
council to consider. Um with respect to

2253
01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:46,560
the trail and those I would suggest um

2254
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:48,800
uh should council adopt some of those

2255
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:51,600
recommendations, um some of them would

2256
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:54,400
need to go to the budget process. Um but

2257
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:58,080
the committee itself

2258
01:36:54,400 --> 01:37:00,320
um felt that the new in town trails

2259
01:36:58,080 --> 01:37:02,800
um should have encampment protocol

2260
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:05,040
restrictions around it. Now I point out

2261
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:07,440
the encampment protocol already covers a

2262
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:10,080
a significant portion of the in town

2263
01:37:07,440 --> 01:37:12,480
trails. Some of the trails are on public

2264
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:14,159
property like uh streets and sidewalks

2265
01:37:12,480 --> 01:37:17,119
and that wouldn't uh that would already

2266
01:37:14,159 --> 01:37:20,080
be covered. Uh some of them uh there

2267
01:37:17,119 --> 01:37:21,360
would be um and I'll ask madam clerk to

2268
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:23,280
correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe

2269
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:29,760
it's um [clears throat]

2270
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:31,440
uh 3 m or 3 feet on either side.

2271
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:33,760
» I think madam clerk wants to weigh in

2272
01:37:31,440 --> 01:37:35,760
there first. Matthew,

2273
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:37,920
» Sorry. Ju just to clarify through your

2274
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:40,239
worship. Um

2275
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:42,719
right now because there's no trail,

2276
01:37:40,239 --> 01:37:44,639
there's an existing buffer setback of 10

2277
01:37:42,719 --> 01:37:47,040
meters from the private property line.

2278
01:37:44,639 --> 01:37:49,119
So the the middle where the rails were

2279
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:53,040
could technically have an encampment on

2280
01:37:49,119 --> 01:37:55,119
it. I believe that once a trail is built

2281
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:57,440
the buffers will overlap to the point

2282
01:37:55,119 --> 01:38:00,800
that the entire area will be a sensitive

2283
01:37:57,440 --> 01:38:02,960
use anyway without making any bylaw

2284
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:04,080
amendments. But the my understanding is

2285
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:05,199
the recommendation is the trail

2286
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:07,600
development committee just wanted to

2287
01:38:05,199 --> 01:38:11,119
make extra sure because it will be the

2288
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:13,360
trail itself plus 5 m on either side

2289
01:38:11,119 --> 01:38:16,880
plus the 10 m coming in from the private

2290
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:18,960
property line is very likely uh covering

2291
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:22,560
that whole area

2292
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:25,040
and thank you. Uh there may be uh a

2293
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:26,400
small area or two along that trail that

2294
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:28,000
would not be covered by private

2295
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:32,480
property, but the vast majority of it

2296
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:37,679
will be or would uh touch on uh the

2297
01:38:32,480 --> 01:38:40,800
distance from uh a cemetery. Um so uh

2298
01:38:37,679 --> 01:38:43,119
with that uh we could uh be directed to

2299
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:44,880
look at any remaining areas and that

2300
01:38:43,119 --> 01:38:47,360
should go through uh an encampment

2301
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:49,679
protocol review process. I would suggest

2302
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:51,840
uh that council welcome ebikes and e-

2303
01:38:49,679 --> 01:38:53,280
scooters uh onto the town trail and

2304
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:55,199
ensure where appropriate speed limits

2305
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:57,119
are in place. That the town consult with

2306
01:38:55,199 --> 01:38:58,400
the OP on a minimum number of security

2307
01:38:57,119 --> 01:39:00,560
cameras that be considered for

2308
01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:02,239
installation on the town trails. That

2309
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:03,840
council consider laying uh the

2310
01:39:02,239 --> 01:39:05,440
appropriate conduit during trail

2311
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:07,119
construction to accommodate any lighting

2312
01:39:05,440 --> 01:39:09,920
and security cameras that might be

2313
01:39:07,119 --> 01:39:11,440
required. And the town explore funding

2314
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:13,760
opportunities uh through grants to

2315
01:39:11,440 --> 01:39:17,280
support all trail amenities. uh and

2316
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:18,480
staff looking at this. Um a lot of great

2317
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:21,199
ideas coming out of the trail

2318
01:39:18,480 --> 01:39:23,199
development advisory committee. Uh I

2319
01:39:21,199 --> 01:39:25,600
would uh as the sitting staff member

2320
01:39:23,199 --> 01:39:27,199
there offer the following reflections.

2321
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:29,199
Um

2322
01:39:27,199 --> 01:39:31,119
the we could expand sensitive use

2323
01:39:29,199 --> 01:39:33,199
designations to the periphery of in town

2324
01:39:31,119 --> 01:39:35,199
trails. Uh I think that should be part

2325
01:39:33,199 --> 01:39:37,119
of a broader review process and as the

2326
01:39:35,199 --> 01:39:39,360
clerk has mentioned much of it is

2327
01:39:37,119 --> 01:39:42,880
already covered but there will be the

2328
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:46,239
odd pockets uh that may have uh some

2329
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:47,679
areas that we may want to look at. um

2330
01:39:46,239 --> 01:39:49,679
that but it should be in the in the

2331
01:39:47,679 --> 01:39:51,920
broader context. I believe that council

2332
01:39:49,679 --> 01:39:53,679
defer the promotion acceptance of e-

2333
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:55,600
scooters and ebikes on in town trails

2334
01:39:53,679 --> 01:39:57,840
until such time as it decides on whether

2335
01:39:55,600 --> 01:40:00,239
it wishes to permit the use of the VI

2336
01:39:57,840 --> 01:40:02,880
bylaw which is required by provincial

2337
01:40:00,239 --> 01:40:05,360
legislation. Uh that council directs

2338
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:06,800
staff to consult uh with the OP on the

2339
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:09,199
appropriate location for security

2340
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:11,360
cameras. that council directs staff to

2341
01:40:09,199 --> 01:40:13,760
include estimates for solar lighting and

2342
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:15,679
remote security cameras on the in town

2343
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:17,440
trails as part of the 2027 budget

2344
01:40:15,679 --> 01:40:19,679
process. I think we can meet their

2345
01:40:17,440 --> 01:40:22,000
intent without necessarily

2346
01:40:19,679 --> 01:40:25,119
um putting in conduit uh at this point

2347
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:26,800
in time. Uh and that uh council direct

2348
01:40:25,119 --> 01:40:29,119
staff to include trail amenities as a

2349
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:31,760
focus in its 2027 grant acquisition

2350
01:40:29,119 --> 01:40:33,679
strategy. Um and with the grants uh

2351
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:36,080
strategy coming forward um that will

2352
01:40:33,679 --> 01:40:38,159
make a ton of sense. Uh, with that, I'm

2353
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:39,520
happy to answer any questions. And, uh,

2354
01:40:38,159 --> 01:40:40,960
in your report, you'll have the

2355
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:43,520
recommendations that the committee made

2356
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:45,440
up top, uh, staff's reflections

2357
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:47,840
underneath. And what I would recommend

2358
01:40:45,440 --> 01:40:50,480
is council may want to have each

2359
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:52,480
recommendation in a separate motion.

2360
01:40:50,480 --> 01:40:53,840
» Thank you, Mr. Grant. Uh, councelor

2361
01:40:52,480 --> 01:40:56,000
Nori,

2362
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:57,679
» Just quickly, the one I'm opposed to

2363
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:59,840
till we have more legislation is the

2364
01:40:57,679 --> 01:41:00,719
ecooters on those things. I'm going to

2365
01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:02,560
be bringing up something under

2366
01:41:00,719 --> 01:41:06,000
inquiries. I don't want to double double

2367
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:07,600
dip but without lights and dark and

2368
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:09,920
these things I know under the law the

2369
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:12,000
road can't go above 24 km an hour but

2370
01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:15,119
cakes had a fellow going 77 and it's

2371
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:16,880
facing a lot of charge so I would like

2372
01:41:15,119 --> 01:41:19,920
to see that one scrapt there for now

2373
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:22,800
until we don't eliminate mo mobility

2374
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:24,719
things but uh it's very slippery slope

2375
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:28,159
if you're not too careful that would

2376
01:41:24,719 --> 01:41:29,760
just be my only suggestion for now

2377
01:41:28,159 --> 01:41:31,280
» Thanks councelor and I think that's

2378
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:32,960
that's part of the recommendations is to

2379
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:37,840
defer that. And and I mean I agree with

2380
01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:40,400
you because this whole ebike scooter

2381
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:42,560
scenario is is is

2382
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:43,840
um evolving I guess is the best way to

2383
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:45,520
put it. So but I think I think the

2384
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:47,840
recommendation if I'm not mistaken, Mr.

2385
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:49,280
Grant, was to defer that anyways until

2386
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:50,560
there's some clarification. But I'll let

2387
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:53,840
you speak to that.

2388
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:55,520
» Sure. Uh thank you your worship. So, um,

2389
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:58,639
the way that the the committee

2390
01:41:55,520 --> 01:42:00,239
recommendation sheets are, um, laid out

2391
01:41:58,639 --> 01:42:02,719
is the committee's recommendations are

2392
01:42:00,239 --> 01:42:04,239
on top, staff's reflections are on the

2393
01:42:02,719 --> 01:42:06,800
bottom. My reflection is that you should

2394
01:42:04,239 --> 01:42:08,960
defer that until such time that council

2395
01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:11,040
makes a decision on the broader, uh,

2396
01:42:08,960 --> 01:42:14,520
escooter situation, which would be

2397
01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:14,520
required anyway.

2398
01:42:14,719 --> 01:42:20,080
» Yeah. Perfect. So, uh, thank you, Mr.

2399
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:22,639
Grant. Is there anything else? M I think

2400
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:22,960
councelor Martin was gonna make this up

2401
01:42:22,639 --> 01:42:24,880
here.

2402
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:27,040
» Um

2403
01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:29,199
Mr. Grant, I I I agree with most

2404
01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:31,040
everything and and thank goodness that

2405
01:42:29,199 --> 01:42:33,679
we're working towards finishing the in

2406
01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:36,159
town trail. It's going to be wonderful.

2407
01:42:33,679 --> 01:42:40,080
Um certainly agree with lighting and

2408
01:42:36,159 --> 01:42:42,639
cameras. Um [sighs]

2409
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:45,280
the sensitive use issue is a big deal

2410
01:42:42,639 --> 01:42:48,719
for me. I'd love to see it as sensitive

2411
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:50,880
use on the trail as well, but I got

2412
01:42:48,719 --> 01:42:53,119
Springside Park that I'm really

2413
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:54,560
concerned about right now. I'm really

2414
01:42:53,119 --> 01:42:57,199
concerned about the children playing

2415
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:59,679
down there right now. There's people

2416
01:42:57,199 --> 01:43:02,239
walking their dogs,

2417
01:42:59,679 --> 01:43:04,320
children running and playing in our

2418
01:43:02,239 --> 01:43:06,800
Springside Park. And that's not a

2419
01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:09,600
sensitive use area.

2420
01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:11,040
It should be. So, I'm saying if we're

2421
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:13,440
going to put sensitive use on the

2422
01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:16,000
trails, Springside Park should be

2423
01:43:13,440 --> 01:43:17,679
sensitive use as well. And there's

2424
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:20,159
there's something's got to change here

2425
01:43:17,679 --> 01:43:22,719
because I'm going to be awful upset. I'm

2426
01:43:20,159 --> 01:43:25,199
I'm really really ticked off right now

2427
01:43:22,719 --> 01:43:28,800
what's going on down there. But anyway,

2428
01:43:25,199 --> 01:43:30,320
I I'll leave it at that for now.

2429
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:32,080
» Thanks. Uh thanks, Councelor Martin. Go

2430
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:33,679
ahead, Mr. Grant.

2431
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:37,679
» Three, Mr. Mayor and Council Martin. I

2432
01:43:33,679 --> 01:43:39,520
share your concern. I do uh the um not

2433
01:43:37,679 --> 01:43:41,679
only the impact on the citizens but the

2434
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:45,040
impact on on the services that citizens

2435
01:43:41,679 --> 01:43:46,560
pay for is is significant. Um and as

2436
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:49,679
well the the individuals living there

2437
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:53,440
are are also not having a a great time

2438
01:43:49,679 --> 01:43:55,199
of it. So given that I um if there is a

2439
01:43:53,440 --> 01:43:57,760
concern about looking that in isolation

2440
01:43:55,199 --> 01:43:59,520
and I would agree that that's fair. Um

2441
01:43:57,760 --> 01:44:02,400
there may be an opportunity to review

2442
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:04,320
the sensarium more broadly as part of

2443
01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:06,320
the annual education program that we're

2444
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:08,719
doing. You you could also take a look at

2445
01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:11,280
the legislation and that um with the

2446
01:44:08,719 --> 01:44:12,960
indication from

2447
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:15,679
uh the morning star mission that they

2448
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:18,719
intend to move. Uh their service

2449
01:44:15,679 --> 01:44:20,480
functions may also shift. Um there has

2450
01:44:18,719 --> 01:44:24,159
been some preliminary discussions about

2451
01:44:20,480 --> 01:44:27,280
expanding their services. Um you know

2452
01:44:24,159 --> 01:44:29,760
and and if they uh expand those services

2453
01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:33,760
to a point or the county expands those

2454
01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:35,679
services uh to a point where um there is

2455
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:39,360
a shelter or some shelter spaces in

2456
01:44:35,679 --> 01:44:42,880
town. uh town council has the ability to

2457
01:44:39,360 --> 01:44:47,199
revisit the amount of sensitive use

2458
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:49,840
areas that uh exist because the balance

2459
01:44:47,199 --> 01:44:51,600
um and that's what it's all about is

2460
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:55,440
balance with when with in the absence of

2461
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:57,679
shelter space we have to

2462
01:44:55,440 --> 01:44:59,600
air on the side of caution. there does

2463
01:44:57,679 --> 01:45:05,040
seem to be shelter space with a move and

2464
01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:07,040
that that may happen um then I think we

2465
01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:08,880
would be in a position to re-evaluate.

2466
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:10,960
We we still wouldn't be able to protect

2467
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:13,679
everything but we may be able to expand.

2468
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:15,440
So I would suggest councelor Martin that

2469
01:45:13,679 --> 01:45:17,360
that would be appropriate to address

2470
01:45:15,440 --> 01:45:19,119
those concerns to move it to a broader

2471
01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:24,119
review so we don't look at anything in

2472
01:45:19,119 --> 01:45:24,119
isolation if that's the will of council.

2473
01:45:24,719 --> 01:45:27,360
» Go ahead, Bill.

2474
01:45:25,440 --> 01:45:30,480
» Thank you, Mayor. Um, thank you,

2475
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:33,360
Matthew. I I I think you hit on it right

2476
01:45:30,480 --> 01:45:34,960
there. A broader review would uh would

2477
01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:39,520
uh be better because if we are going to

2478
01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:42,239
look at sensitive use area, a trail,

2479
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:44,000
it's absolutely asinidine to not include

2480
01:45:42,239 --> 01:45:45,520
Springside Park down there. I mean,

2481
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:48,000
we've got visitors going down there,

2482
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:50,000
hundreds of them every day. I I wouldn't

2483
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:52,480
even be surprised if it it would hit a

2484
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:55,360
thousand people down there. and and

2485
01:45:52,480 --> 01:45:58,639
there's kids walking with I've I've

2486
01:45:55,360 --> 01:46:01,600
picked up needles myself off the ground

2487
01:45:58,639 --> 01:46:03,920
and and took them to a needle drop off.

2488
01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:05,840
I It's dangerous for kids. It's

2489
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:08,480
dangerous for people being down there in

2490
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:10,480
that park. So,

2491
01:46:08,480 --> 01:46:12,480
this gives me a perfect opportunity to

2492
01:46:10,480 --> 01:46:15,360
complain about that with this with the

2493
01:46:12,480 --> 01:46:17,280
trail. So, uh and and I'm not against

2494
01:46:15,360 --> 01:46:19,280
that on the trails either because I I

2495
01:46:17,280 --> 01:46:22,000
believe me and I know it's a problem

2496
01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:23,840
everywhere. Everybody's

2497
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:26,000
really ticked off with what's been going

2498
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:28,320
on with the tents and the and the

2499
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:30,880
homeless conditions and sort of thing.

2500
01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:34,080
Residents, taxpayers, they can't use

2501
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:37,119
their park because of of what's going on

2502
01:46:34,080 --> 01:46:39,280
and that's not fair to them. So, and I

2503
01:46:37,119 --> 01:46:42,000
know I know it's county and it's

2504
01:46:39,280 --> 01:46:44,320
province and and we our hands are tied

2505
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:46,719
and I know I understand I understand all

2506
01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:49,360
that, but I'm just saying sensitive use

2507
01:46:46,719 --> 01:46:51,280
if we can use that in the park as well

2508
01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:54,639
as the trails, you're going to make a

2509
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:56,639
lot of people happy. So, there you go.

2510
01:46:54,639 --> 01:46:58,560
» Yeah. Go ahead, Mr. Mayor.

2511
01:46:56,639 --> 01:47:01,040
» So, thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'd say

2512
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:04,400
councilman, I agree um that there's a

2513
01:47:01,040 --> 01:47:06,560
lot of concern. Uh I would say that uh

2514
01:47:04,400 --> 01:47:09,119
Greater Napony has gone further than

2515
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:11,920
most in terms of protection. Uh so

2516
01:47:09,119 --> 01:47:13,920
conservation park in its entirety uh is

2517
01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:16,080
off limits and we've we've had great

2518
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:19,600
success in making sure that we've

2519
01:47:16,080 --> 01:47:22,000
minimized um conflicting use in those

2520
01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:23,600
areas. Um you know there's been a few

2521
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:26,480
other areas where we've had a tremendous

2522
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:29,280
success. uh we've been able to partner

2523
01:47:26,480 --> 01:47:32,480
with um social service agencies and law

2524
01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:38,239
enforcement and and and I would say that

2525
01:47:32,480 --> 01:47:41,920
in the event um that there is um a

2526
01:47:38,239 --> 01:47:43,760
proper shelter option in town um I'm

2527
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:47,520
cautiously optimistic we might see that

2528
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:49,840
in the future. I know that uh you know

2529
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:52,159
the Morning Star Mission is in in their

2530
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:55,520
move is is looking at their options. I

2531
01:47:52,159 --> 01:47:57,840
think the county has been um in on those

2532
01:47:55,520 --> 01:48:00,480
discussions and and supportive of

2533
01:47:57,840 --> 01:48:02,480
Morning Star Mission's uh broader

2534
01:48:00,480 --> 01:48:05,679
mandate. I can't say too much cuz it's

2535
01:48:02,480 --> 01:48:07,520
not u my discussion to have, but um so

2536
01:48:05,679 --> 01:48:10,800
I'm keeping an eye on that situation

2537
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:14,960
very closely and and appreciating that

2538
01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:19,520
um many council members would like to be

2539
01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:22,080
um protect as much area as we can. Um if

2540
01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:24,159
there if the situation changes where we

2541
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:25,760
can strike different balance because

2542
01:48:24,159 --> 01:48:28,000
there's more amenities available for

2543
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:32,159
those that are homeless, uh I will be

2544
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:32,159
the first in line to bring that to you.

2545
01:48:33,199 --> 01:48:36,960
Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Grant. I I

2546
01:48:35,119 --> 01:48:41,199
appreciate what you're saying there. And

2547
01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:43,760
and uh I I know this council, this town

2548
01:48:41,199 --> 01:48:46,239
staff, everybody has done everything we

2549
01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:49,840
can legally do with the homeless

2550
01:48:46,239 --> 01:48:52,239
situation. But but it's important to say

2551
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:54,800
legally because we have to act within

2552
01:48:52,239 --> 01:48:57,679
the law. And unfortunately going back to

2553
01:48:54,800 --> 01:49:00,800
what is it 1982 or something when the

2554
01:48:57,679 --> 01:49:03,360
charter of rights come out or when and

2555
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:07,040
you know um it's affected what we're

2556
01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:08,560
doing here today actually I I believe so

2557
01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:11,040
anyway

2558
01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:13,280
what we can do with ringside park I I'm

2559
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:16,159
I'm I'm happy to hear that at least it's

2560
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:18,400
going to be in the mix of of speaking

2561
01:49:16,159 --> 01:49:19,360
about it. So thank you very much. Thank

2562
01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:21,840
you mayor.

2563
01:49:19,360 --> 01:49:25,199
» Thanks Council. Go ahead Deputy May. Uh

2564
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:27,520
thank you through your worship. Um just

2565
01:49:25,199 --> 01:49:29,440
uh

2566
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:32,080
to uh Madame Clerk, I'm just wondering

2567
01:49:29,440 --> 01:49:33,600
what is the buffer zone for a trail and

2568
01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:35,520
is there a different buffer zone for

2569
01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:38,080
trail versus parking lot? Because I

2570
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:41,199
think what the biggest complaint is that

2571
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:43,119
I'm hearing um at Springside Park is the

2572
01:49:41,199 --> 01:49:45,360
310 right along the edge of the parking

2573
01:49:43,119 --> 01:49:47,520
lot as you come down. If you want to

2574
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:49,440
come down and enjoy your your lunch

2575
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:51,280
break and go for a walk, that's what you

2576
01:49:49,440 --> 01:49:53,280
see. I I just wondered if there's is

2577
01:49:51,280 --> 01:49:56,800
there a buffer zone from parking lots or

2578
01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:59,199
is it just from the trail itself?

2579
01:49:56,800 --> 01:50:01,840
» So through your worship under the uh

2580
01:49:59,199 --> 01:50:06,159
current bylaw this setback is on or

2581
01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:08,159
within 5 m of a walking path or trail

2582
01:50:06,159 --> 01:50:10,480
parking lot or designated pedestrian

2583
01:50:08,159 --> 01:50:12,239
access point. So it is the same buffer

2584
01:50:10,480 --> 01:50:14,639
for both.

2585
01:50:12,239 --> 01:50:17,760
» Okay. So they're definitely uh not the 5

2586
01:50:14,639 --> 01:50:20,239
mters from the parking lot. Thank you.

2587
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:21,920
and uh to councelor Martin, I don't

2588
01:50:20,239 --> 01:50:24,239
believe the county actually had a part

2589
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:26,480
in creating this problem, but we we do

2590
01:50:24,239 --> 01:50:28,480
have a problem and we are working at it.

2591
01:50:26,480 --> 01:50:30,480
Thank you.

2592
01:50:28,480 --> 01:50:34,760
» Thank you. Uh Deputy Mayor Calary, is

2593
01:50:30,480 --> 01:50:34,760
there anything else?

2594
01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:38,719
Uh seeing none, we do have a

2595
01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:39,920
recommendation that uh council receive

2596
01:50:38,719 --> 01:50:41,600
for information the trails development

2597
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:43,600
advisory committee initial recommend

2598
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:44,960
recommendations report and further that

2599
01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:47,119
council expand the sensitive use

2600
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:51,040
designation to the periphery of the in

2601
01:50:47,119 --> 01:50:52,560
town trails to those areas not already

2602
01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:54,239
captured by boundaries associated with

2603
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:55,600
the recreational amenities and private

2604
01:50:54,239 --> 01:50:57,760
property that counts as a further

2605
01:50:55,600 --> 01:51:00,320
promotion or acceptance of e- scooters

2606
01:50:57,760 --> 01:51:02,080
and ebikes on in town trails until such

2607
01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:04,560
time as it decides on whether it wishes

2608
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:07,119
to permit the use of these vehicles by

2609
01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:08,560
bylaw as per the provincial legislation

2610
01:51:07,119 --> 01:51:10,080
that council direct staff to consult

2611
01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:12,239
with the OP on the appropriate location

2612
01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:13,840
for security cameras and in town trails.

2613
01:51:12,239 --> 01:51:16,159
That council direct staff to include

2614
01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:18,480
estimates for solar lighting and remote

2615
01:51:16,159 --> 01:51:20,960
security cameras on the in trails as

2616
01:51:18,480 --> 01:51:22,719
part of the 2027 budget process and

2617
01:51:20,960 --> 01:51:26,480
council direct staff to include trail

2618
01:51:22,719 --> 01:51:30,239
amenities as f as a focus of its 2027

2619
01:51:26,480 --> 01:51:32,400
grant acquisition strategy.

2620
01:51:30,239 --> 01:51:34,880
Uh moved by councelor Shank, second by

2621
01:51:32,400 --> 01:51:36,320
councelor Davey. Is there any further

2622
01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:38,560
comments, questions, and concerns with

2623
01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:40,400
respect to that motion?

2624
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:42,639
Go ahead, Mr. Grant.

2625
01:51:40,400 --> 01:51:44,560
» So, uh, Mr. Mayor, just, uh, in

2626
01:51:42,639 --> 01:51:46,639
reflection of the conversation that

2627
01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:48,320
council's had, I think the only, uh,

2628
01:51:46,639 --> 01:51:51,040
amendment to that motion that I might

2629
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:53,360
make, Mr. Mayor, is to defer, uh,

2630
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:55,040
protection of the trail to a broader

2631
01:51:53,360 --> 01:51:58,040
review process if that's the will of

2632
01:51:55,040 --> 01:51:58,040
council.

2633
01:51:59,199 --> 01:52:03,440
» Yeah, we do have a motion on the floor.

2634
01:52:01,199 --> 01:52:05,119
Um,

2635
01:52:03,440 --> 01:52:08,280
I'll go to them. I'll go to the movers

2636
01:52:05,119 --> 01:52:08,280
and the seconders.

2637
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:18,599
» Perfect.

2638
01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:18,599
» Madam clerk, do you have what you have?

2639
01:52:23,199 --> 01:52:27,280
So through your just to be clear, the

2640
01:52:25,280 --> 01:52:30,400
first clause would be that council refer

2641
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:32,719
the request to expand the sensitive use

2642
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:35,760
designation um to those that already

2643
01:52:32,719 --> 01:52:37,760
captured it to a broader review process.

2644
01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:42,599
Um I believe that's already been

2645
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:42,599
scheduled for this coming winter.

2646
01:52:44,480 --> 01:52:49,599
Over and second are good. Okay.

2647
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:50,960
» Is there anything further?

2648
01:52:49,599 --> 01:52:53,040
Not. We'll call for the vote. All in

2649
01:52:50,960 --> 01:52:56,320
favor? Motion's on the floor. Oppose.

2650
01:52:53,040 --> 01:52:58,080
Motion's carried. Um

2651
01:52:56,320 --> 01:52:59,840
information uh sorry bylaws. We don't

2652
01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:01,280
have any bylaws. Information reports for

2653
01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:04,080
members. I don't believe we have any of

2654
01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:05,599
them. Inquiries. Does any member do any

2655
01:53:04,080 --> 01:53:08,960
members of council have any inquiries

2656
01:53:05,599 --> 01:53:11,118
with respect to anything? Councelor Nor.

2657
01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:11,520
» Actually, I had a information.

2658
01:53:11,118 --> 01:53:12,239
[laughter]

2659
01:53:11,520 --> 01:53:14,400
» Well, we can

2660
01:53:12,239 --> 01:53:15,360
» First and I've got two inquiries. Let me

2661
01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:17,199
just talk. I tell you what, let's go

2662
01:53:15,360 --> 01:53:18,719
back to the information reports first

2663
01:53:17,199 --> 01:53:20,320
and then we'll go to the inquiries. I'm

2664
01:53:18,719 --> 01:53:22,800
going to let you have at her.

2665
01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:24,800
» Thank you. I'll do my best to be quiet.

2666
01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:28,560
Um, from the arts committee, they had

2667
01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:32,080
the final Music in the Park on April

2668
01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:35,040
August 8th. I mean, very successful.

2669
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:37,840
And I just segue into what was been said

2670
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:39,520
beside me. People were relaxed and happy

2671
01:53:37,840 --> 01:53:41,360
because they could enjoy their park. Not

2672
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:43,840
like last year. I'll leave that part at

2673
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:47,520
that. But it was over 100 people. So

2674
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:49,920
they were very very happy. Thank you.

2675
01:53:47,520 --> 01:53:51,280
» Great. Thank you. Um inquiries. You want

2676
01:53:49,920 --> 01:53:52,960
to go there too?

2677
01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:55,199
» Yeah. Two. I think one you've already

2678
01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:58,000
addressed Mr. Grant, but I was bringing

2679
01:53:55,199 --> 01:54:00,000
up the escooters and that because the

2680
01:53:58,000 --> 01:54:01,679
provincial government has said it's

2681
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:03,360
towns and municipalities responsibility

2682
01:54:01,679 --> 01:54:05,599
for those things except for speed. I

2683
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:07,280
think it's 24 km an hour. And I'm

2684
01:54:05,599 --> 01:54:08,880
worried about liability if or if we

2685
01:54:07,280 --> 01:54:11,840
don't do something. And people are like

2686
01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:13,280
pinball or pin bowling pins on certain

2687
01:54:11,840 --> 01:54:15,040
sidewalks in different cities. I don't

2688
01:54:13,280 --> 01:54:17,040
want that to happen here. And I've seen

2689
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:19,520
some adult-aged people acting like

2690
01:54:17,040 --> 01:54:23,520
children on them on our sidewalk. So,

2691
01:54:19,520 --> 01:54:25,280
are we looking into that? Um or are they

2692
01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:27,280
about what we can do? I know we won't

2693
01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:30,000
have enforcement, but to protect us

2694
01:54:27,280 --> 01:54:32,000
liable liability wise, are you looking

2695
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:35,440
into that?

2696
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:38,159
» So, through you, Mr. Mayor, to uh to uh

2697
01:54:35,440 --> 01:54:39,679
the counselor. Um so, councelor Nor, I

2698
01:54:38,159 --> 01:54:41,760
would say we will absolutely look into

2699
01:54:39,679 --> 01:54:45,199
that. Um, so we would have to bring

2700
01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:46,880
forward a bylaw to to govern that in the

2701
01:54:45,199 --> 01:54:48,239
use of municipal spaces and it would be

2702
01:54:46,880 --> 01:54:49,440
our intention to do that in the new

2703
01:54:48,239 --> 01:54:50,880
term.

2704
01:54:49,440 --> 01:54:52,320
» Thank you. Cuz I know Kingston I don't

2705
01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:56,000
think allows them anywhere technically

2706
01:54:52,320 --> 01:54:58,880
but and the number two is um as we

2707
01:54:56,000 --> 01:55:01,040
talked about and I see that Kylie sent

2708
01:54:58,880 --> 01:55:04,159
out rough estimate what it to the media

2709
01:55:01,040 --> 01:55:05,520
what's costing for a 1388 bridge. I

2710
01:55:04,159 --> 01:55:07,040
don't expect to tell, you know, send out

2711
01:55:05,520 --> 01:55:09,760
the media regularly, but can we put on

2712
01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:12,000
our website possibly an update what it's

2713
01:55:09,760 --> 01:55:13,599
costing so the taxpayers aware and maybe

2714
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:15,679
some photos of what's coming out of

2715
01:55:13,599 --> 01:55:17,679
there so the public knows what's going

2716
01:55:15,679 --> 01:55:19,599
on because

2717
01:55:17,679 --> 01:55:20,880
maybe not the disgusting stuff, but you

2718
01:55:19,599 --> 01:55:22,480
know what I'm trying to say is if we

2719
01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:24,400
could just inform them more what's going

2720
01:55:22,480 --> 01:55:25,520
on so they can be more aware of why

2721
01:55:24,400 --> 01:55:28,800
we're doing what we're doing and what

2722
01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:30,480
it's costing them. Just an idea.

2723
01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:33,360
» So, sure through you, Mr. Mayor. it is

2724
01:55:30,480 --> 01:55:35,199
our intention to put a a full release um

2725
01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:37,280
out on the completion of phase 2 and I'm

2726
01:55:35,199 --> 01:55:38,960
going to bring forward a full report but

2727
01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:42,719
uh since you've asked the question I can

2728
01:55:38,960 --> 01:55:45,520
say like um I expect that work for phase

2729
01:55:42,719 --> 01:55:47,920
one which was about 35 trailers that we

2730
01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:51,920
pulled out uh and phase two which would

2731
01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:54,159
be 100 cubic tons uh so 100 basically

2732
01:55:51,920 --> 01:55:55,760
tons of material coming out uh it's more

2733
01:55:54,159 --> 01:55:58,719
than we thought it's a settling tanks

2734
01:55:55,760 --> 01:56:00,400
it's propane propane tanks we found um

2735
01:55:58,719 --> 01:56:03,280
homemade septic fields and drug

2736
01:56:00,400 --> 01:56:06,880
paraphernalia. Um it's it's not it's not

2737
01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:09,920
a good scene. Um so that's come out. Um

2738
01:56:06,880 --> 01:56:12,639
phase one and phase two were were led to

2739
01:56:09,920 --> 01:56:14,400
local contractors by competitive bid. Uh

2740
01:56:12,639 --> 01:56:18,800
those contracts combined will be

2741
01:56:14,400 --> 01:56:21,599
anywhere between 120 and $145,000.

2742
01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:24,159
Um that's what I expect the bill to be.

2743
01:56:21,599 --> 01:56:28,400
Um in that neighborhood, uh we are

2744
01:56:24,159 --> 01:56:30,480
expecting permits for the property. Um

2745
01:56:28,400 --> 01:56:33,599
well, we require permits for a quanet

2746
01:56:30,480 --> 01:56:35,679
huts that that's there as well as uh a

2747
01:56:33,599 --> 01:56:37,280
mobile trailer where the property owner

2748
01:56:35,679 --> 01:56:40,080
was living. That's you can't have that

2749
01:56:37,280 --> 01:56:41,920
unless you have um a permit for uh your

2750
01:56:40,080 --> 01:56:43,760
construction single family home

2751
01:56:41,920 --> 01:56:45,599
deadlines have been given. No permits

2752
01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:47,199
have been received. I expect that there

2753
01:56:45,599 --> 01:56:51,199
will be a phase three and that material

2754
01:56:47,199 --> 01:56:53,840
has to be pulled out. Um so roughly we'd

2755
01:56:51,199 --> 01:56:56,560
be in the neighborhood of 150 to 160.

2756
01:56:53,840 --> 01:56:58,880
Um, a lot of that would be build back to

2757
01:56:56,560 --> 01:57:02,000
the all of it, the work of the contract

2758
01:56:58,880 --> 01:57:05,280
be back to the property owner as per uh

2759
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:09,040
the the court order. What won't be uh

2760
01:57:05,280 --> 01:57:12,560
recouped is the loss capacity um that

2761
01:57:09,040 --> 01:57:15,119
the town has incurred. Um so we've had

2762
01:57:12,560 --> 01:57:18,320
uh the fire department there. We have

2763
01:57:15,119 --> 01:57:21,520
had um we have had bylaw services there

2764
01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:23,280
for the last two and a half weeks um

2765
01:57:21,520 --> 01:57:24,880
providing a level of security on site.

2766
01:57:23,280 --> 01:57:27,679
There's been individuals that have been

2767
01:57:24,880 --> 01:57:30,719
moving in and out of what is actively a

2768
01:57:27,679 --> 01:57:32,400
construction site. Um, bylaw's also been

2769
01:57:30,719 --> 01:57:34,080
instrumental in pointing out things on

2770
01:57:32,400 --> 01:57:35,760
the property that can be removed per

2771
01:57:34,080 --> 01:57:37,520
court order and things that cannot be

2772
01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:39,280
removed. We are permitted to take

2773
01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:41,360
certain things off the property and not

2774
01:57:39,280 --> 01:57:43,840
others. Um, so they've been instrumental

2775
01:57:41,360 --> 01:57:45,679
in that. Uh, with that, members of the

2776
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:47,520
community have had to suffer a lower

2777
01:57:45,679 --> 01:57:48,800
level of service uh for by law

2778
01:57:47,520 --> 01:57:53,520
enforcement because they've been

2779
01:57:48,800 --> 01:57:56,239
otherwise engaged. Um, so legal fees,

2780
01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:57,920
um, we've gotten recoup a percentage of

2781
01:57:56,239 --> 01:58:01,119
the legal fees to date, but we're not

2782
01:57:57,920 --> 01:58:03,119
going to recoup all of those. Um, so it

2783
01:58:01,119 --> 01:58:06,239
has been a massively significant

2784
01:58:03,119 --> 01:58:09,199
undertaking in what was an unsafe and

2785
01:58:06,239 --> 01:58:10,719
unsanitary situation that presented a

2786
01:58:09,199 --> 01:58:14,080
danger and a risk to the people that

2787
01:58:10,719 --> 01:58:17,520
were staying there. Um, and presented

2788
01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:18,719
candidly a public health risk. um to the

2789
01:58:17,520 --> 01:58:21,679
point we're going to have to call in the

2790
01:58:18,719 --> 01:58:23,760
Ministry of Environment uh for some of

2791
01:58:21,679 --> 01:58:25,840
the damage that has happened there. Um

2792
01:58:23,760 --> 01:58:28,400
so it is not a small thing. It's been

2793
01:58:25,840 --> 01:58:31,119
it's been expensive and the work that's

2794
01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:32,960
happened will be recouped uh one way or

2795
01:58:31,119 --> 01:58:35,119
another. The the court order also allows

2796
01:58:32,960 --> 01:58:37,199
us to place uh the cost of the

2797
01:58:35,119 --> 01:58:39,199
contractors on property taxes if the

2798
01:58:37,199 --> 01:58:41,199
money is not forthcoming. And the law

2799
01:58:39,199 --> 01:58:45,360
allows us to seize property if that's

2800
01:58:41,199 --> 01:58:49,280
not paid. Um but uh we were compelled to

2801
01:58:45,360 --> 01:58:52,480
act um cuz this was a unsafe, unsanitary

2802
01:58:49,280 --> 01:58:55,040
and and unjust.

2803
01:58:52,480 --> 01:58:57,440
» Thank you very much. And uh I'm sure the

2804
01:58:55,040 --> 01:59:01,199
public will appreciate uh having an up

2805
01:58:57,440 --> 01:59:03,040
further updates as well. Thank you.

2806
01:59:01,199 --> 01:59:06,800
» Thanks uh councelor Nori. Is there

2807
01:59:03,040 --> 01:59:08,159
anything else? Go ahead, man.

2808
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:09,840
» Sorry through your worship. I just want

2809
01:59:08,159 --> 01:59:11,199
to go back to the escooter question

2810
01:59:09,840 --> 01:59:13,920
because I've been getting it a lot

2811
01:59:11,199 --> 01:59:15,920
lately as well. Um, so to clarify, if

2812
01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:18,080
the town does not have a bylaw that says

2813
01:59:15,920 --> 01:59:20,400
they're allowed, then they're not

2814
01:59:18,080 --> 01:59:21,920
allowed. And the town does not currently

2815
01:59:20,400 --> 01:59:23,520
have a bylaw. So we're in the same

2816
01:59:21,920 --> 01:59:26,239
position as the city of Kingston

2817
01:59:23,520 --> 01:59:27,520
currently. Um, just for clarity.

2818
01:59:26,239 --> 01:59:30,422
» Good. I wish the people would learn

2819
01:59:27,520 --> 01:59:30,422
that. [laughter]

2820
01:59:31,022 --> 01:59:33,440
[clears throat and cough] And I know

2821
01:59:31,760 --> 01:59:36,320
that uh well, and you probably know as

2822
01:59:33,440 --> 01:59:37,679
well, Bob, the OP is is they're working

2823
01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:42,199
on it and it's kind of frustrating them

2824
01:59:37,679 --> 01:59:42,199
as well because of the different uh

2825
01:59:42,400 --> 01:59:45,520
makeups of these type of things too. So,

2826
01:59:44,400 --> 01:59:46,639
I think there's a lot of work that has

2827
01:59:45,520 --> 01:59:49,119
to be done probably at the provincial

2828
01:59:46,639 --> 01:59:51,199
level to try and uh

2829
01:59:49,119 --> 01:59:53,040
sort it out. So, but thanks for bringing

2830
01:59:51,199 --> 01:59:55,199
it up. [clears throat] Uh is there

2831
01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:56,960
anything else as far as the inquiries

2832
01:59:55,199 --> 01:59:58,719
go?

2833
01:59:56,960 --> 01:59:59,760
Seeing none noticed emotions. I don't

2834
01:59:58,719 --> 02:00:02,159
believe anybody has any noticed

2835
01:59:59,760 --> 02:00:04,960
emotions. New business. I don't believe

2836
02:00:02,159 --> 02:00:05,920
we have any new business. Announcements.

2837
02:00:04,960 --> 02:00:09,119
Does anybody want to make any

2838
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:12,080
announcements this evening?

2839
02:00:09,119 --> 02:00:13,440
Seeing none. Uh CEO's remarks. Mr.

2840
02:00:12,080 --> 02:00:15,199
Grant, did you have any remarks you

2841
02:00:13,440 --> 02:00:17,199
would like to make this evening?

2842
02:00:15,199 --> 02:00:18,800
» Nothing for me this evening, Mr. Mayor.

2843
02:00:17,199 --> 02:00:20,000
» Uh thank you. The forward counter. I

2844
02:00:18,800 --> 02:00:20,960
know we've all had an opportunity to

2845
02:00:20,000 --> 02:00:22,960
take a look at that. Is there anything

2846
02:00:20,960 --> 02:00:25,679
in the forward code? Uh go ahead. Deputy

2847
02:00:22,960 --> 02:00:27,920
Mayor C. Just want to verify the uh

2848
02:00:25,679 --> 02:00:29,760
September 8th meeting for the for the

2849
02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:32,239
forward counter is at the Roblin Hall.

2850
02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:33,440
Is that correct?

2851
02:00:32,239 --> 02:00:35,119
» Through your worship. Yes, that's

2852
02:00:33,440 --> 02:00:37,040
correct. Our next meeting will not be in

2853
02:00:35,119 --> 02:00:39,040
this building. Don't come here. Uh we'll

2854
02:00:37,040 --> 02:00:40,639
be at Roblin. We will be live streaming

2855
02:00:39,040 --> 02:00:42,960
the meeting the same as we did when we

2856
02:00:40,639 --> 02:00:44,639
met at South Fred Hall.

2857
02:00:42,960 --> 02:00:46,000
» Thank you. I I seen that in there, but I

2858
02:00:44,639 --> 02:00:47,119
I thought when we were talking about

2859
02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:48,639
changing, I thought we were doing the

2860
02:00:47,119 --> 02:00:52,898
Selby Hall. That's why I was questioning

2861
02:00:48,639 --> 02:00:52,960
that. So, thank you.

2862
02:00:52,898 --> 02:00:55,199
[clears throat]

2863
02:00:52,960 --> 02:00:57,360
» Thank you. Madame Clerk, and thank you,

2864
02:00:55,199 --> 02:00:58,560
Deputy Mayor Galver. Uh, was there

2865
02:00:57,360 --> 02:01:00,880
anything else with respect to the

2866
02:00:58,560 --> 02:01:02,719
forward calendar?

2867
02:01:00,880 --> 02:01:04,000
Seeing none, we'll look for a motion to

2868
02:01:02,719 --> 02:01:06,400
uh for the bylaw to confirm the

2869
02:01:04,000 --> 02:01:07,679
proceedings of the town of for the

2870
02:01:06,400 --> 02:01:09,679
council of the corporation of town of

2871
02:01:07,679 --> 02:01:11,840
Greater Napony. Moved by Deputy Mayor

2872
02:01:09,679 --> 02:01:13,520
Calver, seconded by councelor Davyy.

2873
02:01:11,840 --> 02:01:16,480
Read a first, second, and finally pass

2874
02:01:13,520 --> 02:01:18,719
this 25th day of August 2026. All in

2875
02:01:16,480 --> 02:01:20,719
favor of that motion. Oppose. Motion's

2876
02:01:18,719 --> 02:01:22,000
carried. And motion to adjurnn. Moved by

2877
02:01:20,719 --> 02:01:23,119
councelor Davyy, second by councelor

2878
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:24,320
Shank. There's no further comments,

2879
02:01:23,119 --> 02:01:26,320
questions, concerns. All in favor of

2880
02:01:24,320 --> 02:01:28,880
that motion? Oppose. Motion's carried.

2881
02:01:26,320 --> 02:01:28,880
Thanks, folks.