[5:05] Great. Welcome everyone to the town of
[5:06] Greater Napony regular session of
[5:08] council for the 25th day of August 2026.
[5:11] Just before we call the meeting to
[5:12] order, I just want to remind everyone
[5:13] this evening that this evening's meeting
[5:15] is being livereamed via our YouTube
[5:17] channel. So, welcome to those that are
[5:19] in the body of the council chambers this
[5:21] evening. Welcome to those that are
[5:22] watching uh tonight and welcome to those
[5:24] that will watch us at a later date. So
[5:26] having said all that, we'll call the
[5:27] meeting to order and we'll start our
[5:28] meeting uh with our opening proceeding
[5:30] which is a playing of the national
[5:32] anthem. So I'll ask those in the body of
[5:34] the council chambers to stand and face
[5:35] the flag as we play our national
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[7:22] » Great. Thanks everyone. Uh just uh
[7:25] before we get going, we're going to uh
[7:27] deal with a closed session that we had
[7:29] earlier this evening. So I'll look for a
[7:31] motion to uh note rece [clears throat]
[7:34] or sorry to uh go into or to do our
[7:36] rising report from close session. Moved
[7:38] by deputy mayor Calver, second by
[7:39] councelor Shank if there's no further
[7:41] comments, questions or concerns. All in
[7:42] favor of that motion? Opposed? Motion's
[7:44] carried. I would like to report uh that
[7:48] in closed session this evening
[7:52] uh that council received for information
[7:54] the confidential appointments to the
[7:56] joint compliance audit committee report
[7:58] and further that council approve the
[8:00] recommended appointments and direct that
[8:02] a bylaw be brought to the September 8th
[8:05] 2026 meeting for adoption. Uh look for a
[8:10] motion to note and receive that. Uh
[8:11] moved by councelor Nory second by depra.
[8:14] There's no further comments, questions,
[8:16] or concerns. All in favor of that
[8:17] motion? Opposed? Motion's carried. Uh
[8:20] the next matter is confidential
[8:21] SR1429-2026
[8:24] legal advice. The council received for
[8:26] information the confidential legal
[8:28] advice report.
[8:30] Moved by
[8:32] councelor Davyy, second by councelor
[8:33] Shank. If there's no further comments,
[8:35] questions, or concerns, all in favor of
[8:37] that motion? Opposed? The motion's
[8:40] carried. And I'm just going to back up
[8:42] because we do have some rising reports.
[8:43] Madam clerk, I think from August 11th
[8:45] and 25th, am I correct?
[8:48] » Through your worship. Yes. Uh since
[8:50] August 11th was only close session in
[8:52] the special meeting, we'll do the rise
[8:53] and report. Yeah.
[8:55] » Okay. So, having uh said
[9:00] » Uh this one here, right, right?
[9:01] » Yeah.
[9:02] » Yeah.
[9:02] » Uh we'll uh look for a motion to know
[9:05] and receive the confidential SR1434-2026
[9:09] land sale former Suttered Lands. that
[9:11] council receive for information the
[9:13] confidential land sale former sutter
[9:15] lands report and fur that council direct
[9:16] and authorized staff to proceed as
[9:18] directed in close session moved by
[9:20] deputy mayor calver second by councelor
[9:21] Martin if there's no further comments
[9:23] questions or concerns all in favor of
[9:24] that motion motion's carried and finally
[9:28] confidential SR1433-2026
[9:31] human resources report August 11th the
[9:33] council receive for information the
[9:34] confidential human resources report
[9:37] moved by councelor Nory second by
[9:39] councelor Martin if there's no further
[9:41] comments, questions, or concerns. All in
[9:43] favor of that motion? Opposed? Motion's
[9:45] carried. Uh look for a motion to adopt
[9:50] uh the agenda as presented. Move by
[9:53] councelor Davyy. Second by councelor
[9:54] Shank. If there's no further comments,
[9:56] questions or concerns. All in favor of
[9:57] that motion. Opposed. Motion's carried.
[10:00] Disclosure of pecuniary interest in the
[10:01] general nature thereof. Is there any
[10:03] disclosures of pecuniary interest this
[10:05] evening?
[10:07] Seeing none, uh, deputations, schedule
[10:10] deputations, new items. I don't believe
[10:13] we have any, madame clerk. Uh,
[10:15] deputations item on the agenda. We do
[10:17] have one deputation, Jay Bogdanowitz.
[10:20] Miss Bdanowitz is here. And so, welcome,
[10:24] uh, Miss Bogdanowitz. Uh, I don't know
[10:26] if you've been here in person or not.
[10:28] The microphone in front of you, there's
[10:29] a button in the middle uh, says push.
[10:32] You just have to push it. Once the green
[10:33] light is on, the green light is on and
[10:36] we'll be able to hear you. but they have
[10:37] to have the green light on so the folks
[10:38] at home can hear you as well. So, um,
[10:40] whenever you're ready, the floor of
[10:42] yours.
[10:43] » Okay, great. Thank you. Uh, thank you,
[10:45] uh, for allowing me to speak tonight.
[10:47] Uh, I appreciated the conversation, uh,
[10:49] at the last meeting very much. Um, and I
[10:52] appreciated that there was a unanimous
[10:54] interest in, uh, a bylaw review of, um,
[10:57] of, I guess, orders to mow tall grasses.
[11:00] Um, I also very much appreciated that
[11:02] two council members came to the property
[11:04] to see uh the garden that we are trying
[11:06] to naturalize and uh they spoke highly
[11:08] of it uh during the council meeting and
[11:11] um you know suggested that others uh
[11:12] could do the same as well on their
[11:14] properties. Um I appreciated the staff
[11:16] report that was turned around very
[11:18] quickly um and that was very thorough
[11:20] although I have a few questions about
[11:22] that report today.
[11:24] Um, and I guess, um, what I'm kind of
[11:27] left wondering is that regardless of,
[11:29] um, you know, the praise I received from
[11:31] from the counselors, um, staff continue
[11:34] to recommend upholding the order to MO.
[11:37] Um, and so again, I'm here to, uh,
[11:39] request that the order is cancelled. Uh,
[11:41] and to just confirm again that this
[11:43] issue is causing a great amount of
[11:45] distress for for me and my family.
[11:48] Um, one of the things in the report that
[11:50] I found uh that was interesting that I
[11:52] wanted to highlight um was an
[11:54] interpretive direction that pollinator
[11:57] gardens and naturalized lawns could fall
[11:59] within the existing exemption for
[12:01] ornamental grasses that currently exist
[12:03] in the bylaw.
[12:05] And if that interpretation is taken,
[12:07] that would protect our garden and others
[12:09] like it um as the bylaw update proceeds
[12:12] uh without rec without requiring council
[12:15] to wait until the next term to act. So I
[12:17] thought that was a kind of an
[12:18] interesting um let's not call it a
[12:20] loophole, but a kind of interesting
[12:21] interpretation um to address this issue.
[12:25] Um I'm also [clears throat] here to seek
[12:27] clarification about the report in
[12:29] particular. Uh the report recommends um
[12:32] mowing along two of my property lines,
[12:34] but it says that I I don't need to mow
[12:36] if if the area is a wetland and those
[12:39] property lines um contain cattails. And
[12:42] so in my interpretation, this is um you
[12:44] know part of a a storm water swale and
[12:46] I'm curious to know if that would be
[12:48] considered a wetland or not.
[12:51] Um the report also um suggests that the
[12:54] order is canled. Um, however, it kind of
[12:58] suggests that it could be opened up
[12:59] again um before the next term of
[13:01] council. Um, and so again, I'm here to
[13:03] humbly ask that the decision that is
[13:05] made today closes the issue for us until
[13:07] the bylaw can be updated.
[13:10] Um, the topic of t ticks and pests came
[13:14] up at the last meeting. Um, and uh, I
[13:16] wanted to refer to the letter that
[13:18] council has received by Joyce Hustlin,
[13:21] uh, who is a Thousand Islands master
[13:23] gardener.
[13:24] uh she wanted to um I guess point
[13:26] council to um a number of scientific
[13:29] papers that have been written on the
[13:30] issue and uh and if uh council proceeds
[13:34] with updating the bylaw encourage that
[13:36] those involved in that um that they
[13:39] consult the the latest scient scientific
[13:41] papers on the issue and in particular
[13:43] just to quote her um her letter she says
[13:46] that blackhead black sorry blacklegged
[13:48] ticks um and their abundance is driven
[13:51] by deer access white-footed mice
[13:53] populations and woodland proximity and
[13:55] it's um and plant height and mowing
[13:58] schedules do not quite um you know
[14:00] contribute to tick populations.
[14:03] Um and so finally just to conclude um
[14:06] you know again I'm here as I've
[14:07] mentioned in my letter I will not be
[14:08] destroying my garden uh and forced to
[14:10] mow and if the town decides to destroy
[14:13] the garden I will have no choice but to
[14:15] take legal action for damages. Thank
[14:17] you.
[14:19] » Great. Thanks Madanowitch. Just hang
[14:21] tight and we'll see if uh just hang
[14:23] tight. We'll see if council has any
[14:24] questions for you. Okay. So, council, do
[14:26] you have any questions or comments for
[14:28] for Julie with respect to her her uh
[14:30] deputation here this evening?
[14:34] Uh Deputy Mayor Calber, thank you
[14:37] worship.
[14:40] The blacklegged tick. There's a lot of
[14:43] different talks about what causes, what
[14:46] doesn't cause, where they live, where
[14:47] they don't live. Um,
[14:52] as much as you're saying that long grass
[14:55] doesn't attribute to them and so on and
[14:57] so forth, there's also documents out
[14:58] there that say it does. Um, I'm just
[15:02] just a little concerned. I mean, we have
[15:04] bylaws in place for a reason.
[15:07] And
[15:09] here we are. As much as you enjoy your
[15:11] your natural garden, natural yard, and I
[15:14] did take a drive out there, by the way.
[15:15] I didn't I didn't knock on your door. I
[15:18] went and seen what I could see from the
[15:19] road. Um, and I've seen your trails that
[15:22] you've got cut through your property and
[15:24] stuff, but
[15:27] I I just I'm just concerned myself. I
[15:29] know with our property that we maintain
[15:31] and look at, 100 plus acres of land. Um,
[15:34] and we have trails as well and uh we do
[15:37] have ticks on the property um as well.
[15:41] And it's uh it's a non-stop fight to try
[15:43] to keep them and we keep everything cut
[15:45] back on our trails and so on and so
[15:46] forth. But uh yeah, I'm just a little
[15:49] concerned when you when you say that the
[15:50] long grass doesn't doesn't in inhibit
[15:53] these uh these ticks because we have
[15:55] them too and they're everywhere and
[15:57] especially in southeastern Ontario there
[16:00] these ticks are all over the place. So
[16:03] anyways, that was all I've got to say on
[16:04] that. So, I I still believe our bylaws
[16:08] are are still good and should be
[16:10] followed. Thank you.
[16:12] » Thank you. Uh, Deputy Mayor Calver, is
[16:16] there anything else for Miss Baganowitz
[16:18] before we move on?
[16:21] Seeing none, uh, hang tight, uh, Julie.
[16:24] We will have a, I'm sure, a robust
[16:26] conversation about the matter later on
[16:28] in the agenda. So, uh, um, relax and see
[16:32] how we do things here in Napony. So,
[16:33] thank you. I'll look for a motion to
[16:35] note and receive the uh the uh
[16:38] deputation of Julie Bogdanowitz. Moved
[16:41] by councelor Noi, second by Deputy Mayor
[16:43] Calver. If there's no further comments,
[16:45] questions, or concerns, all in favor of
[16:47] that motion? Opposed? Motion's carried.
[16:49] Unfinished business. The first matter is
[16:51] updated executive services, labor
[16:53] relations, reserve, spending thresholds,
[16:55] and governance framework. And Mr. Grant,
[16:58] I think you're going to speak to that.
[17:00] Uh so when you get settled in there,
[17:01] we'll uh we'll allow you to take the
[17:03] floor.
[17:12] Uh thank you worship and through you
[17:14] your worship to members of council. Um
[17:16] this is an item that is coming back uh
[17:19] with respect uh to uh labor relations uh
[17:24] reserve. Uh the initial trunch of money
[17:27] going into the reserve uh is $155,000
[17:32] um from workplace self uh safety and
[17:35] insurance board. Uh and the team has
[17:38] also talked about how to have recurring
[17:41] support um for that kind of reserve. Um
[17:44] the the current theory is what's called
[17:47] gapping dollars. So there will be uh
[17:49] monies that are unspent on budgeted
[17:51] salary dollars due to turnover or
[17:52] recruitment and that sort of thing. and
[17:54] that's uh dedicated for HR so should be
[17:57] going for HR purposes. Uh council at our
[18:01] uh last meeting expressed the desire um
[18:04] to understand um exactly how this money
[18:07] would be allocated and spent, how
[18:09] council uh could perform its fiduciary
[18:12] duty in terms of spending limits um
[18:15] while also
[18:17] um creating a a separation on specific
[18:21] HR matters. And I think that we've
[18:22] struck a reasonable balance here and I'm
[18:24] I'm happy to get your views on it. So,
[18:26] the proposed delegated authority limits
[18:29] um the way that it uh is proposed to
[18:32] work is that uh there'd be a maximum
[18:34] spend uh of $25,000
[18:38] um for things such as recruitment
[18:40] advertising, executive or specialized
[18:42] recruitment services, uh candidate uh
[18:44] assessment and testing tools, relocation
[18:46] assistance, um things like that for uh
[18:50] recruitment and staffing transition
[18:52] costs, termination, severance, and
[18:54] workforce restructuring costs such as uh
[18:56] contractual termination pay, severance
[18:58] obligations, vacation payout,
[18:59] liabilities, uh labor relations uh and
[19:02] legal expenses and investigation cost
[19:05] such as external labor employment legal
[19:08] services, workplace investigations
[19:10] um under some of our policies uh such as
[19:13] the workplace harassment uh bylaw,
[19:16] arbitration and mediation costs, human
[19:18] rights or employment compliance matters,
[19:20] uh WSIB and accommodation costs. Um so
[19:25] uh I would have the authority to
[19:27] authorize the spend on the
[19:28] recommendation of human resources uh and
[19:31] would do so in consultation with the
[19:33] treasurer. Um the uh anything exceeding
[19:37] that and candidly anything serious would
[19:40] exceed that. uh it just would uh would
[19:43] come to council uh for an inc camera
[19:45] discussion uh in a general sense without
[19:48] getting into the specific HR files per
[19:51] se. But this this is the problem we're
[19:52] trying to solve and this is why we think
[19:54] this uh avenue uh is the proper avenue
[19:57] to solve it and this is how much uh we
[19:59] believe that we need above and beyond
[20:01] what is our delegated authority. Um, I
[20:04] would expect um a lot of um uh spending
[20:10] would be minor in nature and far below
[20:13] the $25,000 threshold. One of the things
[20:16] that sparked this discussion candidly
[20:18] was um the fact that HR had no
[20:21] recruitment budget.
[20:22] » Um that candidly was a problem u from my
[20:26] perspective. we were using uh our own uh
[20:29] website, social media and that sort of
[20:31] thing to try to find um appropriate
[20:34] staff and and sometimes we're looking
[20:36] for very specialized people in a very
[20:38] competitive market. So I'll I'll give
[20:40] you an example. Um he's not here anymore
[20:43] online so I can embarrass him. Um Mr.
[20:47] Hatton is someone that we did an
[20:49] expanded uh search for using very
[20:51] specific uh advertising methods
[20:54] particularly um the association of
[20:56] planners websites and which come at a
[20:59] cost um and that's where we found them
[21:02] and uh that is candidly a get because
[21:05] planners are hard to find. Um there's a
[21:08] number of different kinds of professions
[21:09] that are hard uh to fill and that is one
[21:12] of them at this point in time. Um so we
[21:15] would see things such as that. Um
[21:19] the uh and anything above and beyond
[21:22] that as I mentioned we would bring to
[21:24] council um for uh your authorization. Um
[21:28] we would give you a full rationale and
[21:31] you know as we do financial reporting we
[21:33] would indicate um these are where monies
[21:35] were spent and the reason that they were
[21:37] spent that way. And with that uh I or
[21:40] Miss Natt Fischer are happy to answer
[21:42] any of your questions.
[21:44] Great. Uh, thank you, Mr. Grant. Go
[21:45] ahead, Councelor Nish.
[21:47] » Mr. Grant. Um, just I think I know the
[21:49] answer, but the relocation assistance is
[21:51] that the sweet in the pot to say to
[21:53] bring someone from the other end of the
[21:54] lake from a big city to here or
[21:56] something like that? Is that the idea
[21:58] » To Mr. Mayor? Short answer, yes. Um, so
[22:01] if we're pulling people from if we're
[22:04] trying to um entice them from the
[22:06] greater Toronto area or beyond, um, it's
[22:10] unlikely we'd be able to pay full
[22:11] relocation. Um but sometimes that's
[22:14] what's needed to give us a competitive
[22:16] edge over over a different organization.
[22:18] [clears throat]
[22:20] » Thought so. Thank you.
[22:22] » Thank you councelor Nor. Thank you Mr.
[22:23] Grant. Is there anything else? Councelor
[22:27] Martin.
[22:28] » Thank you mayor through you. Um Mr.
[22:31] Grant. Um
[22:35] the the
[22:37] reserve fund is was or is or whatever it
[22:40] was at 155
[22:43] 155,000
[22:44] and
[22:46] » Mr. Mayor. Yes, it is.
[22:48] » Okay. Um so
[22:51] if the corporation saves money during
[22:54] the year that's going to be replenished
[22:56] by that money saved. So what what
[22:59] happens if there's x number of dollars
[23:02] saved and you keep you build up that
[23:04] fund to um a large amount? I mean, I I
[23:08] like reserve funds, Billy. Me for, you
[23:11] know, firet truck, uh, uh, snow plows,
[23:15] building maintenance, that type of
[23:16] thing. But I'm just I'm just wondering
[23:18] why HR usually isn't an emergency
[23:22] situation. Like, usually HR can come to
[23:25] council for for funds or whatever. And
[23:30] should there maybe be a cap on the
[23:33] reserve fund as far as I mean how much
[23:37] money would would you recommend that uh
[23:40] or you you would think that's going to
[23:42] be needed in a particular year.
[23:48] » So through you Mr. Mayor to councelor
[23:50] Martin uh difficult to say depending on
[23:52] year to year. So I would agree that
[23:54] there's no uh emergency situations per
[23:56] se. Uh but human resources is part of
[23:59] the business that costs money has cost
[24:01] money. We can cost that out over the
[24:03] last several years. We've just been
[24:04] pulling it from other places. Um so it's
[24:07] it's come at the expense of of some
[24:09] other places. Um I would say do I think
[24:13] that the reserve is going to get quite a
[24:15] bit higher year-over-year savings? I
[24:17] would love to have that problem.
[24:19] [laughter]
[24:20] I don't think we're going to have that
[24:22] problem.
[24:23] um only because of some of the the uh
[24:26] past dollars that have been spent for
[24:28] specific reasons, whether it be
[24:29] arbitration that we recently went
[24:31] through. Um if we have mediation cost,
[24:34] recruitment costs, um there's an ongoing
[24:37] costs that are fairly healthy. And I
[24:40] wouldn't suggest that we'd want to go
[24:41] much over 150 unless uh if it indicated,
[24:47] you know, a circumstance indicated that
[24:49] we needed more than that, we would come
[24:50] to you and ask to to raise the
[24:51] threshold. If we were over that, my
[24:53] expectation would be that uh finance
[24:56] would tell you um look, we we are over
[24:59] the threshold of the reserve that was
[25:00] originally set up by council. What would
[25:02] you like to do with the money? Um so I I
[25:05] don't think we're going to see uh the
[25:07] reserve grow and grow and grow per se.
[25:09] It's unlike other reserves and that
[25:10] there's continuous operating needs, but
[25:13] it's been uh a negotiation between HR
[25:16] and others uh between uh how things will
[25:20] be funded, where the money is going to
[25:21] come from, are people going to get the
[25:23] same level of service uh based on the
[25:25] budget they have to allocate for a
[25:27] recruitment effort or whatnot. And we're
[25:29] we're looking to sort of standardize the
[25:31] service so everyone gets the same level
[25:33] of service, if you may, if you will. Um
[25:35] so that's the intention for it.
[25:38] I don't know if I answered your question
[25:39] there, counselor,
[25:41] in a roundabout way.
[25:44] Thank you. Um, could I just um
[25:48] So, is is that uh does this mean if we
[25:51] have a reserve fund of 150 roughly,000
[25:56] that that will no longer be a budget
[25:58] item because other years we've actually
[26:00] budgeted for HR expenses, have we not?
[26:05] And I mean, if there's an expense coming
[26:07] that needs to be paid for, it usually
[26:09] comes out of the general reserve as
[26:11] opposed to
[26:13] having a I mean, I don't know how many
[26:15] reserves we have now. I I've I've heard
[26:17] a number of reserves over over the last
[26:20] four years, and I'm just I just want to
[26:22] make sure that council is aware of every
[26:25] dollar spent, but we all know that next
[26:28] year is going to be a a challenging year
[26:31] budget-wise. So, I'm just I'm just
[26:32] trying to get a perspective on on what's
[26:35] going ahead as far as our budgeting is
[26:37] concerned.
[26:38] » I think uh I think our human resources
[26:40] professional may be able to weigh in on
[26:42] this, Mr. Grant. So, go ahead, Holly.
[26:44] » Thank you. Through your worship. Um we
[26:48] of course now my brain has gone
[26:49] completely empty. Um
[26:53] Oh my goodness,
[26:55] my brain's empty. It
[26:58] Yeah, thank you. Um, [laughter]
[27:01] in the past we have budgeted for known
[27:03] expenses in HR that have come up. So
[27:06] when we know we're going to arbitration,
[27:08] when we know we're doing those certain
[27:10] when we're going to have higher than
[27:11] normal legal fees, but in a lot of the
[27:13] situations that you see listed in this
[27:15] reserve here, they're unknown. They
[27:17] happen kind of just as they happen. Um,
[27:20] so I I foresee this being a separate pot
[27:23] of money for that exact reason. we will
[27:26] still likely budget for these higher
[27:29] expense item ticket items that we know
[27:31] are coming. So, we won't be pulling from
[27:33] those reserves for that specific thing
[27:35] when we know it's coming. But otherwise,
[27:38] everything else listed in this reserve,
[27:40] it it kind of comes up as the year goes
[27:43] on and that's why we're asking for this
[27:44] specific pot of money on the side to
[27:46] pull from.
[27:50] Yep.
[27:51] » So, this is just for emergency funds.
[27:55] This isn't for So, we'll still be
[27:57] looking at budgeting for normal HR
[28:00] expenses.
[28:02] So,
[28:02] » Through your worship, yes, we will still
[28:04] be planning on budgeting for normal
[28:06] known HR expenses. I'm not confident the
[28:09] word emergency is the right word um
[28:11] because that has a certain context
[28:13] associated with it. But these are the
[28:14] unknown costs that happen throughout the
[28:16] year. Um, they happen every year.
[28:18] They're going to happen every year, but
[28:20] you can't plan for them because you
[28:22] don't know which ones are going to come
[28:24] up.
[28:25] » Thank you. Sorry. Go ahead, Mr. Grant.
[28:28] » So, three, Mr. May, I'll give I'll give
[28:30] an example for you, counselor. So, uh,
[28:33] some of the recruitment costs that we
[28:34] would incur, we wouldn't know. Um, so,
[28:37] uh, people don't often, uh, forecast in
[28:40] advance, um, before they've found a new
[28:43] job. They let you know when they've
[28:44] secured a new job. Not that anyone not
[28:47] that we want anyone to leave. Um but uh
[28:50] the difference in recruiting um certain
[28:53] positions uh versus other positions.
[28:56] There will be a difference in cost in
[28:57] how you would have to go to recruit
[28:59] because one year we might find a
[29:02] difficult to recruit position that we
[29:03] have to invest more money into to find
[29:05] the right person. Uh and other ones um
[29:09] those types of uh people that could fill
[29:12] those positions are are more abundant in
[29:14] the area. um we might have uh an HR
[29:18] investigation that comes up for whatever
[29:20] reason that we weren't anticipating that
[29:22] we would need um funds for, but we
[29:25] wouldn't be necessarily anticipating
[29:27] those because a matter might have uh
[29:29] popped up that would be contrary to a
[29:31] policy and we're obligated under policy
[29:33] to act. Um but we wouldn't have been
[29:35] able to foresee those because um we
[29:38] didn't plan for someone to break a
[29:40] policy.
[29:42] » Thank you, Mr. Graham.
[29:45] Thank you. Uh, council, go ahead,
[29:47] councelor Shane.
[29:49] Hi,
[29:50] » Matthew. Uh, I'll give you an analogy. I
[29:52] had a wise man tell me once that uh, and
[29:54] this is council's what's happened in the
[29:57] past. All right. So, if a child touches
[29:59] a stove when it's really hot, it's a
[30:01] little gunshy touching again. So,
[30:03] there's a concern here. All right. I'll
[30:06] be I'm just being honest. All right.
[30:08] That
[30:10] are we giving you the the keys to the
[30:13] safe? if you know what I mean. I know
[30:14] it's 155,000, but are we losing any
[30:18] authority of no, we're not going to pay
[30:22] that out or no, we're not going to do
[30:23] this or we're losing that. Now, I'm in
[30:27] agreement with what you're doing. All
[30:29] right,
[30:30] cautiously. All right, but uh Ellen is
[30:35] going to give us a quarterly financial
[30:37] breakdown.
[30:39] uh anything is I have faith because we
[30:42] have great staff that anything that's
[30:45] contentious
[30:46] that is you know it doesn't do the smell
[30:49] test because uh we're not a municipality
[30:53] that just goes yeah we'll just yeah
[30:55] we'll bend or yeah no you know what I
[30:57] mean if it has to go that route we we'll
[30:59] go that route you know what I mean but
[31:01] we have to be fair and honest with
[31:02] ourselves also and where that money
[31:04] spent and that's where I think where
[31:05] Bill's coming from also where counselor
[31:07] Martin is coming from is that we just
[31:09] want to make sure that we're not out of
[31:11] the loop, that we're still in that loop
[31:13] with Ellen's uh financial what she's
[31:16] going to give us to us and with your
[31:18] communication skills, Matthew and and
[31:20] Holly, what you guys are doing, I feel
[31:22] confident that you're doing it. So, I'm
[31:25] not saying I'm not going to look at it
[31:26] with a real magnifying glass, but it's
[31:28] definitely going to be looked at. So,
[31:30] that's what my concern is. as long as
[31:31] you you address those type of concerns
[31:33] with the the future council then uh you
[31:36] know what I mean what their concern
[31:37] might be because you know once bitten
[31:42] twice shy you know what I mean so that's
[31:43] where you're into a shy state right now
[31:45] so that's all
[31:48] » Yeah go ahead Mr. Grant
[31:50] » So um I'll uh I'll I'll speak to that
[31:53] counselor and and invite Holly to weigh
[31:55] in so I'd first say through you Mr.
[31:57] Mayor, if we were going to rob the safe,
[31:59] I'd ask you for a lot more money. I
[32:01] really would. Um, and there's nothing in
[32:05] this policy that would allow us to spend
[32:06] $150,000 in one shot. So, what you're
[32:10] seeing in terms of a $25,000 limit,
[32:13] that's around my that's actually quite a
[32:15] bit less than my delegated authority
[32:16] already. Um, it it's and to date in my
[32:21] time here. Uh, I like working here, so I
[32:23] wouldn't spend that without telling you.
[32:24] Uh, unless it was a serious emergency,
[32:27] like I need to act and spend something
[32:29] now, we're going to lose a lot more. Um,
[32:33] what I would say is, um, let's call it,
[32:37] um, say if there was a dismissal that
[32:39] had to be made for whatever reason, um,
[32:41] some of this would be enough to to cover
[32:43] the statutory limits that we'd be
[32:45] required to pay anyway. if we were
[32:47] looking to have a negotiated settlement
[32:49] that would far exceed that for whatever
[32:51] reason, $25,000 probably wouldn't do it.
[32:54] Um, candidly, um, and if we were going
[32:58] to do that and look to get into a
[33:00] negotiated settlement, um, I would more
[33:04] than likely give you like give you the
[33:07] situation of here's the situation we're
[33:09] in. Here's the the management decision
[33:11] that I need to make. um I need uh to,
[33:16] you know, pull this amount of funds for
[33:17] this reason. Um and if I don't do that,
[33:20] here are some other options in order to
[33:22] get to the outcome that we need to get
[33:25] to. If it's not financial like right
[33:28] away, it might be um not that anyone's
[33:31] going to get fired, um but it would be
[33:33] something like salary continuence to
[33:35] spread out money as opposed to a lump
[33:37] sum out of the reserve. There'd be
[33:39] different ways to get at it. Um but
[33:42] we're quite aware um of the hot stove.
[33:46] Um we've taken great pains uh to ensure
[33:48] that staff and council have a high
[33:50] degree of trust and we value that. Um
[33:53] and uh it's not in our interest nor do
[33:56] we desire to lose that.
[33:58] » Yep. Go ahead.
[34:00] » Like there's not all 25,000. There's an
[34:03] item in here 15,000. So that's the
[34:05] reason why there's but
[34:07] the reason why I'm saying that is
[34:09] because in the past you know a limit was
[34:12] 15,000 and an individual [clears throat]
[34:13] would go ahead and 14,552
[34:16] and then the next month it would be
[34:17] 14,582
[34:19] you know I mean I'm still below my limit
[34:21] you know what I mean as long as none of
[34:23] that ever happens you know I mean and I
[34:26] have trust in you guys so and you all
[34:28] know that you know I don't pound on you
[34:31] every day so there there we go. So yeah,
[34:34] I just that's the reason why the concern
[34:35] is there. That's all.
[34:38] » So uh through Mr. Mayor, if it gives you
[34:40] any comfort, counselor, I'm remarkably
[34:41] cheap.
[34:46] » Thanks, uh councelor Shank. Thank you,
[34:48] Mr. Grant. Deputy Mayor Gbert.
[34:50] » Uh thank you through your worship. Um
[34:52] know exactly where you're coming from,
[34:53] Mike. Uh for a lot of years, we'd say
[34:56] you hear the saying, well, we'll find
[34:58] the money. This isn't money we're going
[35:00] to find. This is money for a specific
[35:04] job. This is for HR. This isn't just a
[35:07] slush fund for others to pull out of.
[35:09] This is HR money, their responsibility,
[35:12] and I have uh nothing but the utmost
[35:14] respect and trust for our staff. Thank
[35:16] you. Thanks, Deputy Mayor Calver. Is
[35:19] there anything else? If not, we do have
[35:23] a recommendation that council receive
[35:25] for information the updated executive
[35:26] services labor's relations reserve
[35:28] spending thresholds and governance
[35:29] framework report and further that
[35:31] council approve the proposed thresholds
[35:33] for delegated authority spending in each
[35:35] category. Moved by councelor Shank,
[35:38] second by councelor Davey. Is there any
[35:40] further comments, questions or concerns
[35:41] with respect to the motions on the
[35:43] floor? Seeing none, we'll call the
[35:45] question. All in favor of the motion
[35:46] that's on the floor opposed. The
[35:48] motion's carried. Next matter is growth
[35:50] in infrastructure request for land
[35:52] transfer 341 Camden Road portion of
[35:54] Milhouse Yard, Stormwater Pond Land. And
[35:58] Mr. Grant, you're going to speak to that
[35:59] as well.
[36:01] » Uh I'm going to parrot the notes that
[36:04] Mr. Nobs was kind enough to give me. Um
[36:07] as uh he's not here today, so if you'll
[36:09] bear with me, I just need to pull that
[36:11] up.
[36:12] Um
[36:18] okay. Um so the subject property that um
[36:22] uh is in the report uh speaks to um
[36:27] fencing and and the like. So the fencing
[36:28] is to delineate uh the limit of town
[36:30] owned storm water pond area which was
[36:33] approved through budget. Uh a survey was
[36:35] completed to determine exact property
[36:37] line for the fence installation. Uh the
[36:39] property line bicts two mature pear
[36:41] trees which were planted by the owner of
[36:44] 341 Camden uh road several years ago. Uh
[36:48] the owner of 341 would like to see the
[36:50] trees retained through the installation
[36:52] of the fence. Uh the owner has requested
[36:54] either the town shift the fence further
[36:56] onto town property to avoid trees
[36:58] effectively
[37:00] um you know that would effectively give
[37:02] up town owned land which is not
[37:04] something that staff would recommend. Uh
[37:07] town compensate for the loss of the
[37:08] trees. A $400 tree of the fences
[37:10] installed on the property line and
[37:12] respectfully I think if there's a tree
[37:14] on our property that's candidly our
[37:16] tree. Um but uh the town transferred a 5
[37:19] foot wide strip of land for $1 to the
[37:22] owner to shift the property line away
[37:23] from the trees. Um
[37:27] you know the there's several different
[37:28] approaches uh to sell you could sell the
[37:30] owner a 5ft wide strip along the rear
[37:33] property line um roughly an $890 sale
[37:36] price to legally shift the property line
[37:38] to allow the trees to remain. Um if
[37:41] council elects to proceed with the sale
[37:43] uh of the land, the next step would be
[37:44] to declare the land surplus, which
[37:46] requires public notice and bylaw to
[37:48] allow the transfer uh would come to a
[37:50] future meeting. This would be a class
[37:52] two surplus as uh there's only one
[37:55] property that could acquire this land.
[37:57] Um so that is I believe Mr. Gnome's
[38:00] recommended option. The uh the other
[38:02] option I think that um uh would come up
[38:06] uh is uh council directed staff to come
[38:10] up with a uh tree bylaw. You may recall
[38:13] if in the event that we were going to
[38:16] install a fence and had to remove a tree
[38:18] to do so, we would be obligated to plant
[38:20] two trees uh under that policy which has
[38:23] yet to come forward. Um but I would say
[38:26] those are the options. I believe Mr. No
[38:28] has the recommended option of a land
[38:30] sale just to preserve the trees as they
[38:32] are. Um if council wanted a different
[38:34] option that would be one of them with
[38:36] that um I'm happy to uh answer
[38:42] sort of questions uh to the best of my
[38:44] ability.
[38:48] » Thank you uh thank you Mr. Grant. Uh
[38:51] let's we'll try and venture through this
[38:53] and see what we can do for you. So um
[38:55] first of all is there any questions? Go
[38:57] ahead, Council Martin.
[39:00] » Sorry, Matthew. [laughter]
[39:02] Um, start off with, I would like to say
[39:05] that
[39:07] somehow or another, I'd like to see
[39:08] those trees saved. That's one of my I
[39:12] was I was over there actually the other
[39:14] day and I I don't know if you recall at
[39:17] council
[39:19] prior councils uh another resident over
[39:21] there actually bought a small area of
[39:26] and it's right beside this property um
[39:28] to square off his property and to make
[39:31] it one continual
[39:33] square fence there. So, I I'm just
[39:35] wondering, and you probably don't maybe
[39:38] don't know this, maybe you do,
[39:41] whether that neighbor was notified
[39:43] because I know there is some concern
[39:45] that now that that there's a bump out of
[39:48] his property next door, it's going to
[39:50] affect the new fence that he put up just
[39:52] recently, within the last, I think it
[39:54] was a month, maybe roughly. So, I don't
[39:57] know if that neighbor was contacted at
[40:00] all about uh his comments.
[40:04] through you, Mr. Mayor. I will have to
[40:06] look in that and get back to you,
[40:07] counselor.
[40:08] » Thank you. Um, there's some other things
[40:11] I'm I'm asking about this, too. Um, the
[40:14] out of the six options that I that we
[40:18] have here. Um,
[40:21] I just want to ask why not number four,
[40:29] which is Well, I'll let you read it.
[40:31] [laughter]
[40:37] So through you, Mr. Mayor, if I read
[40:39] that um correctly, we'd be installing a
[40:42] fence um further on our property. We
[40:45] would still own some property but not
[40:48] have effective use of it,
[40:50] » Right?
[40:50] » Um so I would I we're not recommending
[40:53] it for that reason because normally if
[40:54] you're going to put fences, you put it
[40:56] on the property line of what?
[40:57] » Normally. Yes.
[40:58] » Yeah. And so, um, I think if if the
[41:03] desire was to maintain the trees, uh,
[41:05] and not cut them down and replace them,
[41:08] but, uh, and allow the individual that
[41:10] planted them to retain ownership, a
[41:12] class 2 land sale is the way to go. Um,
[41:14] because then there is, um, no ambiguity
[41:18] over who owns what.
[41:20] Yeah, I understand kind of, but it would
[41:25] it it seems to me it would save
[41:27] this particular um
[41:31] person that's requesting the trees be
[41:33] saved and giving him land for for a
[41:38] dollar basically is what he's requesting
[41:40] for. Um, and I think we're talking about
[41:42] five feet roughly from what I was
[41:44] looking at over there for a bumpout. I I
[41:48] just think that
[41:50] it's not it's not going to be of any use
[41:53] to him or the town where that fence is.
[41:56] I mean, it's it's only it's only going
[41:58] to go to serve to uh save the trees and
[42:03] and if we sell it to them, it's going to
[42:05] be the same thing. There's going to be a
[42:07] bump out to save the trees. The only
[42:11] thing is it Yeah, you're right. It
[42:12] clarifies who owns it possibly. But when
[42:16] you're talking about 5 ft to save a
[42:18] tree,
[42:20] I I I would think number four would be
[42:23] it would save surveys, money, legal
[42:26] cost. That's all I'm I'm looking at.
[42:29] » Go ahead, Mr. Grant.
[42:30] » So through you, Mr. Mayor, uh point of
[42:31] clarity as well is like uh the trees
[42:33] were planted by the individual, but the
[42:35] tree on our property legally is our
[42:36] tree.
[42:37] » Um
[42:38] » I agree.
[42:39] » Yeah. So um I I would say that
[42:42] » Although excuse me, Mr. Grant, I I
[42:44] looking at it and and I'm not a
[42:47] surveyor, but looking at it, the one
[42:49] looked like it was in on his property.
[42:52] The other one was right on the property
[42:54] line, possibly if you measured with a
[42:57] with a, you know, a GPS instrument. I'm
[43:02] But it's more on town land than it is,
[43:04] but I I'm just, you know,
[43:07] » So
[43:07] » Just to clarify where the trees are
[43:10] » Through you, Mr. Fair enough. Partially
[43:11] our tree.
[43:12] » Yeah. Um, so what I would say is this,
[43:14] like, um, I would look at this with the
[43:17] principle of what would we do for any
[43:18] other property if it wasn't just these
[43:20] trees, but it was some other thing. I
[43:22] think the principle of ownership is
[43:24] something that we would want to
[43:25] maintain. Um, and be really clear about
[43:28] who owns what.
[43:29] » Okay.
[43:30] » Um, only because with land ownership
[43:32] comes responsibilities, comes liability,
[43:34] comes a number of different things. So
[43:36] if it's our intention uh to ensure that
[43:38] the trees can be preserved and owned by
[43:40] the individual then I would go through
[43:43] uh the effort of surveying it out and so
[43:45] the fence is in the proper place and
[43:46] ownership is not in question. Um it's
[43:49] say in the unlikely event that something
[43:51] happened on land that we owned but had
[43:53] no custody over um that puts us in a
[43:57] very precarious position not only in
[43:58] this but in other areas of of land
[44:00] ownership.
[44:04] » Yeah. Thank you, mayor. Through you, uh,
[44:07] Matthew, I I
[44:10] my main concern is to save the trees,
[44:12] but I mean, if we sell 5t of this
[44:15] property and give them a bump out and it
[44:18] costs 5 to7,000, I'm reading their
[44:21] report here uh, to do that. Does do we
[44:25] know if that property owner is prepared
[44:27] to spend that money for like he's asking
[44:30] for for a dollar? I I'm assuming he's
[44:34] not going to want to spend5 to $7,000
[44:37] um legal fees and and um survey. So I
[44:44] guess my my other qu my last question
[44:46] will be if he doesn't buy it because he
[44:49] doesn't want to spend the money, are we
[44:51] going to cut the trees down?
[44:53] Because I'd really hate to see those two
[44:55] trees go.
[44:57] » Thank you. Okay. I won't ask anymore.
[44:59] » So through you, Mr. Mayor, for the
[45:01] record, Council Min, you can ask as many
[45:02] questions as you like. It's why we're
[45:03] here. Um, but so I would say uh a couple
[45:07] of different things. Um, in line with
[45:10] the land sale bylaw and the principles
[45:12] of value for real estate, um, I would
[45:16] always advocate that we sell land for
[45:17] what it's worth and not necessarily what
[45:19] someone wants to pay, per se. Um, there
[45:23] is a value to that land. I'm quite
[45:25] certain it's more than a dollar. Um so
[45:28] uh giving someone for regardless of the
[45:30] purpose uh and how no matter how
[45:32] honorable it is, I think we have an
[45:33] obligation as a municipality uh to
[45:36] steward you know land ownership
[45:38] resources and and and charge what the
[45:40] land is worth. um in the event that we
[45:44] were going to um if a tree had to come
[45:47] down because we're putting a fence on
[45:48] the property line, that's when I believe
[45:51] um that the the policy that was
[45:53] recommended and approved by council for
[45:55] us to bring uh to bring back. Um we
[45:57] would plant two others uh in recognition
[46:01] uh of a healthy tree being removed due
[46:04] to uh the work uh initiated by the town.
[46:08] I I believe that this is something that
[46:10] actually speaks to exactly the intent uh
[46:12] of the policy that councelor Hicks
[46:14] brought forward and council passed that
[46:16] I mean nobody wants to cut down a tree
[46:18] that we don't have to like full stop. We
[46:20] would like we do everything in our power
[46:21] to avoid it. If we were putting a fence
[46:23] on a property land which is the
[46:24] recommended place to put a fence to
[46:26] delineate ownership and it re and it
[46:28] required a tree but maybe not both to be
[46:30] cut down. Um, I would say that we should
[46:33] replant two of the same species in as
[46:36] near a proximity as we could. Uh, that
[46:38] would be my recommendation on that,
[46:39] counselor, if if council doesn't want to
[46:41] have a bump out and and entertain a
[46:43] sale.
[46:44] » Thank you for that, Matthew.
[46:46] » Thanks, Counc.
[46:49] Uh, thank you for your worship. Is David
[46:52] still online or is David gone?
[46:56] » Three, Mr. Mayor. David is not on the
[46:57] line.
[46:58] » Okay. I reached out to him earlier
[46:59] today. I wanted some clarification, but
[47:01] I was just trying to figure out we we
[47:03] did to the neighboring property. I'm
[47:05] trying to find I'd like just
[47:06] verification what we did to sell him
[47:08] that bit of land he wanted to do because
[47:10] we got to we got to kind of stick with
[47:12] our town's best practice. Um in my
[47:15] opinion anyways. Um it is it is a class
[47:19] two land,
[47:21] but we can't uh we can't do one without
[47:25] doing for everyone. So, that's just my
[47:28] uh my way of thinking. And I had one
[47:31] more. These pear trees, I I didn't see
[47:34] here how big they are. Are they Are they
[47:36] something that could be um could have
[47:39] somebody specially come in with a uh a
[47:41] tree spade and relocate these trees? I I
[47:44] don't know how big a pair of tree gets.
[47:45] I I drove by a couple of times. I
[47:47] couldn't see them. So, thank you.
[47:51] » Go ahead, Mr. Grant. See if you can uh
[47:53] » Mr. I I don't know the answer to that,
[47:55] but we can certainly investigate if they
[47:56] can be relocated. Uh in terms of land,
[48:00] um I would say that there's a very clear
[48:02] process um by how council can dispose of
[48:06] uh land that it owns. So, first part of
[48:09] that would be to declare uh a piece of
[48:11] property surplus. You can declare a
[48:13] whole property. You can decide that
[48:15] there's an element of a property and you
[48:16] need to reservey it and and and parcel
[48:19] it out. Um and so if it doesn't have
[48:22] access uh to um you know public roadway
[48:26] or something else uh it would be deemed
[48:27] class two because there's only a few
[48:29] properties that would abut that that
[48:31] could buy that. Um that is a very
[48:33] prescribed process in the land sale
[48:35] bylaw. Um so we would offer that to
[48:37] anyone if they came forward. Normally uh
[48:41] we would only offer surplus lands and
[48:43] extenduating circumstances you would
[48:45] have to declare it surplus. So there'll
[48:46] be uh additional steps towards that. Um
[48:50] and as for uh removing the tree and
[48:53] relocating it, I can certainly uh ask
[48:56] the team um and we could we could come
[48:59] back uh with that information if that's
[49:01] of interest.
[49:06] » Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Grant. I think
[49:08] madam clerk is going to weigh in here, I
[49:10] think. Then I'll go back to you dep.
[49:14] And I I did just want to add to confirm
[49:16] that um I believe it was last year uh
[49:19] council did go through the class 2 land
[49:21] sale process with the neighbor um and
[49:23] that uh property owner purchased the
[49:26] land from the town at the set value in
[49:28] the policy and was responsible for all
[49:30] the legal transfer fees for that
[49:31] transaction.
[49:34] » Thank you, Madam Clerk. That's been very
[49:36] helpful. Go ahead, Deputy May.
[49:38] » Uh thank you, your worship. I I I
[49:40] thought that's what we what had taken
[49:41] place. I just was looking for a
[49:43] refresher and then thank you madam clerk
[49:44] for that. Um yeah m uh Mr. Grant I'd
[49:49] like to see some sort of report brought
[49:51] back before we make any decisions as to
[49:53] if if these trees could be movable and
[49:56] what the cost would be at that. I mean,
[49:58] um, if we go with what we've laid out in
[50:01] past, which I believe we should stick to
[50:02] what we've done in the past, uh, class 2
[50:05] lands, you're saying it's worth
[50:07] approximately $890,
[50:09] but then the cost to do the transfer of
[50:11] the, um, surveys and stuff could be
[50:14] between 5 and 7,000. That's a a big
[50:17] chunk to pay for a little land to save a
[50:18] couple of trees if, in fact, for maybe
[50:21] $2,000, they can be plucked from the
[50:23] ground and and replanted. I don't know.
[50:25] just worth looking at every option
[50:27] before we just decide to throw this out.
[50:29] Thank you.
[50:30] » Thank you, Mayor G. Mr. Grant.
[50:34] » So, through you, Mr. Mayor. If that be
[50:36] the will of council, I would recommend a
[50:38] motion on that to uh direct that staff
[50:41] go and and find out uh if it is feasible
[50:43] to relocate the trees and then come back
[50:46] and and address this at another
[50:47] » [clears throat]
[50:47] » Uh at another time.
[50:50] » Uh thank you, Mr. Crank. Go ahead,
[50:51] Councelor Shank. Now, Matthew, this this
[50:54] might like sound a simple question, but
[50:58] uh
[51:00] did he not own
[51:03] that land where those trees are
[51:06] or they were with all the subdivision
[51:08] and with the Mil House pond and
[51:09] everything else and the lot line ended
[51:11] up being there? I'm just trying to get
[51:13] in my mind why did he plant the trees so
[51:16] close
[51:18] to the lot line if he wanted to keep
[51:20] your line? if he wanted to keep the
[51:22] trees and he planted them, why wouldn't
[51:23] he plant them further on his own
[51:25] property?
[51:27] » So, for you, Mr. Mayor, I don't know
[51:29] that I can speak to the mindset of
[51:30] someone else and and choices that they
[51:32] made. Um, what I will say is it's not
[51:35] terribly unusual for people not to be
[51:37] 100% familiar with where lot lines are.
[51:40] We've we've had other cases where
[51:42] structures have been built, fences have
[51:44] been built, that sort of So my so what
[51:46] my what I'm trying to understand is is
[51:48] that why would the municipality change a
[51:51] boundary line when so therefore you I
[51:55] mean where somebody else planted some
[51:57] trees all right I'm sorry if you wanted
[52:00] to keep those trees you put it on
[52:02] yourself but also his one of his
[52:04] requests are that if you have to take
[52:05] him out he'd like to get paid $400 a
[52:07] tree.
[52:09] All right. So, all I'm saying is is
[52:12] it doesn't, you know, I don't understand
[52:14] what you where you guys are going. Like,
[52:16] if I wanted to plant some trees, I would
[52:18] make sure that they're on my own
[52:18] property. All right? I can't complain
[52:20] about it afterwards when go, "Oh, so
[52:22] bad. They're mature trees. I want you to
[52:24] pay because it's not on my I planted
[52:25] them not on my own property." So, uh,
[52:29] good fences, good neighbors. So, I don't
[52:33] know why you want to go down through.
[52:35] I'm not willing to sell. It's the
[52:38] people's. It's it's not your own
[52:40] individual land. It's the taxpayers's
[52:42] land that 5T. It could be used for
[52:44] trail. It could be used for other things
[52:46] that whatever it might be. All right.
[52:49] For that cost because somebody planted
[52:51] trees on your own land on not his own
[52:53] land. All right? So
[52:57] I don't understand the rationale behind
[52:58] this whole thing. So as far as I'm
[53:00] concerned, you know, this is where the
[53:01] fence is going and everything else. And
[53:02] if it happens to be on the edge, well be
[53:04] on the edge. If he wants to move them,
[53:06] he can move them. We'll let we'll grant
[53:07] him that. But that's where the fence is
[53:09] going. Have a nice day. You're going to
[53:11] have to buy a couple more trees and
[53:12] we're not paying you $400 cuz we hit the
[53:14] tree because you planted them on the
[53:16] wrong side of the property. You know,
[53:18] like
[53:20] that's just that's the way I look at it.
[53:22] Maybe I'm the bad boy, but that's the
[53:24] facts.
[53:25] » Yeah. Go ahead, Mr. Grant.
[53:28] » Uh so it's you, Mr. Mayor. Uh at this
[53:30] point in the evening, I'm going to
[53:31] remind Michael that he owes me $50. Um,
[53:34] [laughter]
[53:36] but what what I would say is I won't
[53:38] dispute your logic, counselor. I I won't
[53:40] um I uh the land in question is ours.
[53:45] The incumbrance uh on the lot line that
[53:48] is ours uh we didn't put there. Uh I
[53:51] would not be in favor of renumerating
[53:53] somebody um for infringing on property
[53:56] that isn't theirs. Um I think if the
[54:00] trees can be moved, fair enough. I don't
[54:02] disagree that we offer the opportunity
[54:04] for someone else to remove the trees and
[54:06] pay for that. But what I would say is is
[54:10] council has already
[54:12] um created a mechanism by which we would
[54:17] ensure uh tree canopy in perpetuity. So
[54:21] if we have to remove a tree and and
[54:23] we're working on this as we speak, we
[54:25] will plant two trees uh in the absence
[54:28] and we would do that with any uh the
[54:31] policy would be such that we would do
[54:32] that with any tree that is removed that
[54:34] is healthy um and is removed because we
[54:37] are doing work um will replace them. Um
[54:41] and I think that would uh be here and
[54:44] and if council wants to sell the
[54:46] property they can. If they don't want to
[54:47] sell the property they don't have to.
[54:49] Um,
[54:51] yeah, I'll leave it there.
[54:54] » Councelor Martin.
[54:55] » Thank you, Mayor. Um,
[54:58] I don't think anybody is advocating we
[55:00] sell him that land for a dollar like he
[55:02] wanted. He should pay the same as
[55:05] everybody else does for class 2 land. Um
[55:08] but
[55:11] um counselor Shank I I think in town a
[55:16] lot of people eyeball their lot line and
[55:18] they'll print shrubs and trees on it and
[55:21] I got a feeling that's what happened
[55:22] with these but 15 20 years ago and it
[55:26] wasn't intentional to put it on town
[55:28] land. It was he was probably thought he
[55:30] was putting it on his own land. So, it's
[55:33] that close. If you look at that that uh
[55:36] sketch, it looks like the one tree is
[55:38] right on the red line and the other
[55:40] one's just inside on it. So, anyway,
[55:43] just just wanted to add that. And and um
[55:46] like I say, nobody's advocating we do
[55:49] what he wants to sell it to him for a
[55:51] dollar. Um absolutely not. And uh we
[55:55] certainly wouldn't pay him $400 per tree
[55:58] either, but uh that's just what he
[56:00] wanted asking. doesn't mean we should.
[56:05] » Thank you. Uh, councelor Martin, uh,
[56:08] councelor David
[56:10] » Through you, mayor. Um, I guess looking
[56:12] at it, the way I see that chunk of
[56:14] ground, like it doesn't look like it
[56:15] carries a whole lot of value for the
[56:17] town itself as far as that retention
[56:19] pond area and whatnot. There's still
[56:20] room to do more work in there. So, like
[56:23] staff recommendation, bump the fence to
[56:26] east, make a make an offer of fair fair
[56:29] market value, pay that. If he's not
[56:31] interested, give him the chance to move
[56:32] the trees under his own dollar. Other
[56:34] otherwise, we'll look after it. The
[56:36] fence is going where it was initially
[56:38] intended and the trees will have to be
[56:40] moved and we'll plant four new trees on
[56:42] the retention pond property and and move
[56:44] on. It seems fairly straightforward to
[56:46] me and that's a I don't know, that's
[56:48] just how I see it.
[56:52] » Thank you, Councelor Davey. I think you
[56:53] might have took some of the words out of
[56:54] my mouth here, so thank you for that.
[56:56] Um, is there anything else?
[57:00] uh saying that and I'll just weigh in
[57:01] briefly. I mean I I like uh like what
[57:03] Sean had to say is is that we've got a
[57:05] process. We got it to and and we we've
[57:08] literally just gone through that process
[57:11] probably
[57:12] uh months prior to where it's a very
[57:14] similar type of thing where there's a
[57:16] small sliver piece of land. It it made
[57:17] sense to to sell it to the neighboring
[57:20] land owners. It's a class two piece of
[57:22] property. Um, and so it made sense, but
[57:25] that loan landowner at the time decided
[57:28] that they were going to pay the cost to
[57:30] get that it was worth him. It was worth
[57:32] that cost to do that. So, I don't think
[57:35] we should venture too far away from
[57:36] that. So, um, I I like what Sean has to
[57:39] say is that we we we direct staff that
[57:42] we say, listen, this it is a a type two
[57:45] or class two piece of property. This is
[57:47] what the rules are around that. will
[57:49] give you that opportunity to buy that 5
[57:50] ft. But that's your responsibility to do
[57:53] that. And and he's he's going to make a
[57:56] decision, I think, as to whether that's
[57:59] going to be worth it or not. If it's not
[58:01] worth it, and we need to take the the
[58:02] trees out of there, then uh you know,
[58:04] we'll do what we do best, which is we'll
[58:06] make good for it because we'll plant two
[58:08] trees for every tree that we take down
[58:09] because that's what we said we're going
[58:10] to do. Um but I think we we put uh we
[58:14] give the the landowner the opportunity.
[58:16] I I know that I think he planted those
[58:17] trees 15 20 years ago. Um um he he seems
[58:22] to be attached to those trees, but we
[58:24] give him the opportunity to take uh to
[58:26] to buy that silver land. Um and and and
[58:29] we have to keep in mind that if that's
[58:30] the direction that we're going to go, we
[58:31] still do have to go through the the
[58:33] surplus property. So there there is some
[58:35] time left here to go through this that
[58:37] um uh if anybody has a change of heart,
[58:41] then we can still deal with it. So, um I
[58:43] I like uh the first option there, which
[58:46] is to proceed with the next steps uh uh
[58:49] for the class 2 piece of property. Uh in
[58:51] that amount of time, it will give him
[58:53] the opportunity and us the opportunity
[58:54] as well to see whether or not it's these
[58:57] trees can be um can be removed and and
[58:59] if they are, then that's great. And if
[59:01] they can't be, then uh um at least we'll
[59:03] get the landowner the opportunity to to
[59:05] do that. So, um that would be my
[59:07] suggestion. And uh um I have it as I
[59:12] think madam clerk is the first option
[59:13] that we have and and okay thank you uh
[59:16] councelor Davey and I think hearing is
[59:19] that council direct staff to proceed
[59:21] with the next steps in the consideration
[59:22] of the class 2 property sale with no
[59:24] reduction to the established valuation
[59:26] rate for class 2 land sales and a final
[59:29] decision regarding whether to declare
[59:31] the land as surplus and approve a class
[59:33] 2 sale be made following the public
[59:36] notice period. So we do have to go ahead
[59:38] madam cler
[59:40] » Through your worship we do and I I
[59:42] recognize that I wrote that earlier
[59:43] today but on reflection
[59:46] if the land owner is not willing to pay
[59:48] any money for this uh the town may not
[59:51] want to bother um doing that public
[59:54] notice and incurring those expenses. So
[59:56] it may be prudent to direct staff to
[59:59] advise um the land owner of council's
[1:00:02] direction and if he's amendable to
[1:00:04] proceeding then we do the public notice.
[1:00:06] Um
[1:00:08] » And and I I guess again once again I
[1:00:10] assumed and I shouldn't assumed I
[1:00:12] assumed that probably staff would come
[1:00:13] back to us and say listen uh the
[1:00:15] landowner doesn't want to do that. So um
[1:00:18] maybe we we bring this back to council.
[1:00:20] So um did you wish to reward that uh
[1:00:23] that uh recommendation or do we just add
[1:00:26] that on the bottom of this one?
[1:00:39] » [clears throat]
[1:00:43] » I guess the easy thing is is that we we
[1:00:45] give uh staff direction to um
[1:00:48] » To communicate
[1:00:49] » To communicate council's uh um direction
[1:00:52] to the land owner and then to bring back
[1:00:55] a report at a future date once we have
[1:00:58] uh the direction from the land owner as
[1:01:00] to how he would like to try and proceed
[1:01:02] with this.
[1:01:03] And I know that Madame Clerk can word
[1:01:06] Smith this much better than I did.
[1:01:21] So through your I think we could have
[1:01:23] the council direct staff to communicate
[1:01:25] that the town is willing to initiate the
[1:01:27] class 2 land sale process with no
[1:01:29] reduction to the established evaluation
[1:01:31] rate for class 2 land sales.
[1:01:33] um and to uh report back to council on
[1:01:38] the response from the land owner as well
[1:01:40] as feasibility of tree relocation if
[1:01:43] council wanted to include that as well.
[1:01:45] » Yeah. And and I think so I think uh in
[1:01:47] order to do our due diligence I think we
[1:01:49] can put that in there as well. So
[1:01:53] councelor Davyy is that sort of how our
[1:01:56] conversation went? I think through
[1:01:58] » You may yes that sounds good to me.
[1:01:59] » Perfect. And we do have a secondary and
[1:02:01] council shank. Is there any further
[1:02:04] comments, questions, or concerns with
[1:02:06] respect to that motion that's on the
[1:02:07] floor?
[1:02:09] Seeing none, all in favor of the motion
[1:02:11] that's on the floor? Opposed? The
[1:02:13] motion's carried. Thank you. Uh,
[1:02:15] everyone, uh, moving on to growth and
[1:02:18] infrastructure zoning GIS mapping
[1:02:20] enhancement.
[1:02:22] And this matter, I believe, is going to
[1:02:24] be deferred, madam clerk, to the 22nd of
[1:02:26] September meeting. Am I correct there?
[1:02:28] through your ship. Yes, that's correct.
[1:02:30] » Okay, we'll put that under unfinished
[1:02:32] business. And that takes us into the
[1:02:33] administrative consent agenda.
[1:02:37] Start off council minutes. Regular
[1:02:38] session of council July 28th, 2026.
[1:02:41] Special session of council August 11th,
[1:02:43] 2026. Is there anything in those
[1:02:45] anything in those minutes that anyone
[1:02:47] would like to uh have any discussions or
[1:02:50] comments about?
[1:02:52] Seeing none, uh, recreation advisory
[1:02:54] committee, trail uh, development
[1:02:57] advisory committee, waste diversion
[1:02:59] committee, the market square advisory
[1:03:00] committee. Is there anything in those
[1:03:02] minutes that anyone had any questions or
[1:03:03] comments about? And uh, go ahead,
[1:03:05] councelor Martin.
[1:03:06] » Thank you, mayor. um
[1:03:13] the um in the waste diversion minutes.
[1:03:16] Plus, I wanted to make an announcement
[1:03:18] about the uh um what we'll be doing um
[1:03:22] September the 12th.
[1:03:24] Um
[1:03:27] here at town hall, we'll be giving out
[1:03:29] blue boxes. The waste diversion
[1:03:31] committee is going to set up um um a
[1:03:34] table with uh information brochures on
[1:03:38] uh the new items that can be recycled.
[1:03:40] And uh also uh like I say, we're going
[1:03:43] to give out uh blue box containers to
[1:03:46] the first 100 people that come that day
[1:03:49] to to receive them. That's all we have
[1:03:51] to give out. So I just I just want to
[1:03:53] stipulate that everybody's not going to
[1:03:55] get one. If they're 101, they're going
[1:03:58] to be out of luck, I'm afraid. But uh um
[1:04:01] it's it's going to be uh September the
[1:04:04] 12th here at the market square and uh
[1:04:06] the diversion committee, myself
[1:04:08] included, will be set up here and uh
[1:04:11] we'll we'll uh try to um encourage you
[1:04:15] to do more recycling. Um if you want to
[1:04:17] talk to us about ideas about uh
[1:04:19] composting, uh anything you want to talk
[1:04:22] about, we'll be here to discuss it. But
[1:04:24] uh hopefully you'll show up on the 12th
[1:04:27] of September. Um the market, farmers
[1:04:30] market will be going at the same time.
[1:04:32] We may be set up at the back, we may be
[1:04:34] at the front. We're not uh 100% sure of
[1:04:37] that, but uh we will be here. So I just
[1:04:40] wanted to make that announcement first
[1:04:41] of all.
[1:04:43] Um that's all I had on the waste
[1:04:45] diversion
[1:04:47] uh committee. May there
[1:04:49] » Great thanks uh council Martin, deputy
[1:04:51] mayor.
[1:04:53] » Uh thank you your worship. Uh so
[1:04:56] speaking on behalf of the uh trail
[1:04:57] development advisory committee um we've
[1:05:00] got off uh got off our first meeting uh
[1:05:04] both feet hitting the ground and running
[1:05:05] and our second meeting we just held.
[1:05:07] We've uh appointed a chair and a uh
[1:05:10] deputy or vice chair and we've come up
[1:05:13] with some really good ideas which I
[1:05:14] think will be coming back to council uh
[1:05:17] some coming back this evening for uh
[1:05:19] some of the recommendations that we've
[1:05:20] come up with and I just wanted to say
[1:05:23] that uh this trail [clears throat]
[1:05:25] committee is uh it's just an honor to be
[1:05:28] sitting on it and working with them
[1:05:30] because everybody's all rowing in the
[1:05:33] same direction. It's it's just a
[1:05:34] fabulous group of people we've put
[1:05:36] together for this. Thank you.
[1:05:38] » Great. Thanks, uh, Deputy Mayor Coll. Go
[1:05:40] ahead, Council Martin.
[1:05:42] » Thank you, Mayor. Um, just on on the
[1:05:44] trails, u portion there, I'm with the
[1:05:48] sensitive use. Um, I I just wanted to
[1:05:51] get uh Madame Clerk's opinion on that if
[1:05:54] I could.
[1:05:56] » Through your staff report later this
[1:05:58] evening where we can discuss that.
[1:06:01] » Okay. Okay. because I I was just
[1:06:03] curious, but I know the committee's
[1:06:05] suggesting uh it be added to our uh to
[1:06:08] our bylaw. So, I just I'm I'm always
[1:06:12] concerned about the homeless situation
[1:06:13] in um in Springside Park. So, I'm I'm
[1:06:17] finding, you know, if a trail can be
[1:06:20] designated sensitive use, certainly our
[1:06:22] park can be too. So, I'm just that's
[1:06:25] where I'm going with this. I'll I'll
[1:06:26] leave it at that, though.
[1:06:28] » Yeah. We'll uh we're going to circle
[1:06:29] back to that bill. We're gonna have a
[1:06:30] discussion about that. So um that's
[1:06:32] probably the best place to to deal with
[1:06:34] that. So um is there anything else with
[1:06:37] respect to the committee minutes?
[1:06:40] Seeing none uh correspondence for
[1:06:43] information items dated August 25th,
[1:06:45] 2026. Is there anything in those
[1:06:47] correspondence anyone would like to pull
[1:06:49] out or have a conversation about or draw
[1:06:51] attention to? Seeing none, uh
[1:06:54] proclamation request National British
[1:06:56] Home Child Day. Uh, is there anything in
[1:06:58] that uh report that anyone would like to
[1:07:01] say anything about? And uh go ahead,
[1:07:02] Bill.
[1:07:03] » Thank you, Mayor. Um,
[1:07:06] again, I um I want to thank the mayor
[1:07:09] and council for for actually doing the
[1:07:12] proclamation. It's it's always my uh
[1:07:16] privilege and I I because of my personal
[1:07:20] situation with my own dad being one of
[1:07:22] the British home children. Um
[1:07:26] I always every year uh enjoy doing this
[1:07:29] uh to to honor not just my dad but there
[1:07:33] was thousands of people that came and
[1:07:35] settled right in the Napony and Alana
[1:07:38] area. So, I just want to honor the those
[1:07:42] people who who, like I say, settled here
[1:07:44] in Napony. And right now, there's
[1:07:46] literally I think there's four or five
[1:07:48] million people in Canada um that are
[1:07:52] descendants of uh the British home
[1:07:55] children. So, um
[1:07:58] again, my porch light will be on uh
[1:08:01] September 28th. And uh I I'm I'm very
[1:08:05] proud and happy that uh everybody is uh
[1:08:08] doing this proclamation. Thank you,
[1:08:09] Mayor.
[1:08:10] » Great. Thanks, uh Council Martin.
[1:08:13] Greatly appreciate it. And again, it's
[1:08:14] always nice to uh hear firsthand
[1:08:17] knowledge. Sometimes we see the
[1:08:18] proclamations, they come in and and and
[1:08:21] their words on paper sometimes, but it's
[1:08:22] nice to hear the real life stuff. So,
[1:08:24] thank you for that. Um the executive
[1:08:27] services activity report, August 2026.
[1:08:29] Is there anything in that executive
[1:08:31] services report that anyone had any
[1:08:32] questions or comments about?
[1:08:35] Seeing none, uh the greater napony fire
[1:08:38] department activity report July 22nd to
[1:08:40] August 2nd, 2026. Is there anything in
[1:08:42] that report anybody had any questions or
[1:08:44] comments about? Councelor Shank.
[1:08:46] » Uh uh with great delight. uh our fire
[1:08:50] chief Sean uh our fire chief has come up
[1:08:53] with maybe a solution to solve you know
[1:08:55] the alarm activations and especially and
[1:08:57] the burn complaints which is 31 out of
[1:08:59] the 58 calls that I assume that came out
[1:09:02] of that area. So uh when I got the
[1:09:04] recent email I went that's my chief. So
[1:09:08] uh I just want to say kudos to you
[1:09:10] looking at alternative ways of you know
[1:09:12] what I mean of what we can do and what
[1:09:13] we can't do to save things and and still
[1:09:15] provide a a top-notch product. So, thank
[1:09:18] you.
[1:09:20] » Great. Thanks, Councelor Shank. Um,
[1:09:24] parks, recreation, and culture activity
[1:09:26] report. Is there anything in that report
[1:09:27] anyone had any questions or comments
[1:09:29] about?
[1:09:31] Seeing none, um, financial and IT
[1:09:34] services activity uh, activity report
[1:09:37] for August of 2026. And, uh, go ahead,
[1:09:40] councelor or deputy mayau.
[1:09:42] » Actually, uh, worship, I did want to
[1:09:44] speak on the parks and recreation. Um, I
[1:09:47] just wanted to thank uh Mr. Brown and
[1:09:50] his staff. I see the works underway uh
[1:09:52] to do the to the repair on the uh town
[1:09:55] dock and that's great to see it. It's a
[1:09:57] I know it's been a very trying uh time
[1:09:59] to get any work done on that um due to
[1:10:01] high waters and busy schedules of
[1:10:03] everybody involved. I want to say thank
[1:10:05] you very much for getting it going.
[1:10:08] » Great. Thanks uh deputy mayor Calvert.
[1:10:10] Uh so the financial and IT services uh
[1:10:12] activity report is that report that uh
[1:10:15] anyone had any questions or comments
[1:10:17] about I'm sure Mr. Grant will be able to
[1:10:19] help us out on that one too maybe.
[1:10:23] Uh seeing none um the access E11 July
[1:10:27] 2026 report. Is there anything in that
[1:10:29] report that anyone had any questions or
[1:10:30] comments about?
[1:10:32] Seeing none. So we'll look for a motion
[1:10:34] that the minutes of the regular session
[1:10:37] of council Jul dated July 28th, 2026 and
[1:10:40] the special session of council dated
[1:10:42] August 11th, 2026 be adopted as
[1:10:43] presented. That the minutes of the
[1:10:44] recreation advisory committee, trailer
[1:10:46] development advisory committee, waste
[1:10:47] diversion committee uh Marco Square
[1:10:50] Advisory Committee of July 2026
[1:10:53] and August to August 13, 2026 be
[1:10:56] received for information that the
[1:10:57] correspondence for information items
[1:10:58] dated August 25th, 2026 be received. The
[1:11:01] council endorsed the proclamation
[1:11:03] request for the National British Home
[1:11:05] Child Day and that the activity reports
[1:11:07] for executive services, financial and IT
[1:11:09] services, fire department and parks and
[1:11:11] reculture for the month of August 2026
[1:11:14] and the access E11 report for July 2026
[1:11:16] items 8.6 through 8.10 be received for
[1:11:20] information. Moved by councelor Davyy,
[1:11:22] second by councelor Shank. If there's no
[1:11:24] further comments, questions or concerns,
[1:11:26] all in favor of that motion? Motion's
[1:11:28] carried. items for consideration. I
[1:11:31] don't believe we have any of those,
[1:11:33] madame clerk, if I'm not mistaken. So,
[1:11:37] um, that gets us into the executive
[1:11:38] services grass bylaw compliance order
[1:11:41] 0307.
[1:11:43] And madam clerk, you're going to speak
[1:11:44] to this
[1:12:05] Good evening, your worship and members
[1:12:07] of council. Um, at the July 28th
[1:12:10] meeting, council heard a deputation and
[1:12:13] requested a report back. So, the report
[1:12:16] before you covers a number of areas.
[1:12:18] that covers the um specific context of
[1:12:21] this order in question. Um as well as
[1:12:26] the enforcement of the grass bylaw in
[1:12:28] greater Napony more broadly. Um staff do
[1:12:31] note that we are seeing a we're seeing
[1:12:34] an increasing trend across the board in
[1:12:36] requests for enforcement of bylaws as
[1:12:39] people become more familiar with using
[1:12:42] the E11 tool to submit requests. Um but
[1:12:45] grass does remain one of our
[1:12:47] consistently in our top five areas where
[1:12:50] residents request um enforcement action
[1:12:53] to be taken. Um
[1:12:57] staff do acknowledge that the bylaw is
[1:13:00] over 25 years old. When we look at our
[1:13:02] other comparators, it's it's definitely
[1:13:04] the oldest um bylaw in that list and we
[1:13:07] would recommend that it be looked at.
[1:13:10] However, because it it affects everyone,
[1:13:13] and we know that there's very strong
[1:13:16] feelings and opinions about what's
[1:13:18] important to have in a grass bylaw, we
[1:13:20] think it's really important to do
[1:13:21] extensive um public consultation and get
[1:13:24] community input um for for a council to
[1:13:27] hear what the residents of Greater
[1:13:29] Napony feel is important to them to have
[1:13:31] in a grass bylaw, which is why we
[1:13:33] recommend um that that decision be a
[1:13:37] recommendation that the next term of
[1:13:39] council look at it very early, ideally
[1:13:41] before the next enforcement season
[1:13:43] begins, but that that not be something
[1:13:45] that we try to rush through uh in the
[1:13:49] last couple months of this term. Um just
[1:13:52] because it is
[1:13:54] just about every property in town has
[1:13:56] some form of grass on it and so it's
[1:13:58] something a lot of people we should give
[1:14:00] them the opportunity to to participate
[1:14:03] in that conversation.
[1:14:05] Um
[1:14:07] we do discuss the um
[1:14:11] the decision that was made by the
[1:14:12] superior court earlier this year. Um
[1:14:16] where there is a charter right around
[1:14:18] personal expression uh that can be made
[1:14:21] through lawns particularly through the
[1:14:23] decision to naturalize lawns which
[1:14:25] speaks to personal values. Um the
[1:14:27] court's decision really indicated that
[1:14:29] if a municipality is is going to enforce
[1:14:32] a grass bylaw, it needs to be able to um
[1:14:36] have policy reasons why that is
[1:14:38] necessary as well as ensuring that it
[1:14:40] has taken a a minimally impairing
[1:14:44] approach. Um
[1:14:48] lots of Ontario municipalities are still
[1:14:50] working through what exactly that means
[1:14:52] in their specific local contexts. Um, we
[1:14:56] do note in the report that eastern
[1:14:58] Ontario does have a higher prevalence of
[1:15:00] Lyme disease and blacklegged ticks than
[1:15:02] maybe other areas of the province. And
[1:15:04] that is certainly a valid consideration
[1:15:06] in a grass bylaw as well as um making
[1:15:10] sure that
[1:15:13] a lot of bylaw enforcement is making
[1:15:15] sure that neighbors can live with each
[1:15:17] other. uh that one person's right to use
[1:15:19] their own property doesn't um cause
[1:15:22] negative impacts or unreasonably
[1:15:24] negative impacts to the people uh who
[1:15:27] are also living in that same area. Um
[1:15:33] again, there's several options here
[1:15:35] before council for consideration. Um
[1:15:38] whether you want to tackle updating this
[1:15:41] bylaw now, defer that to the next term
[1:15:42] of council, and whether what you want to
[1:15:44] do with this specific order. um whether
[1:15:48] it be set aside for the remainder of
[1:15:50] this year with an understanding that the
[1:15:53] property will that's not an exemption
[1:15:55] forever and the property will be subject
[1:15:56] to whatever new rules may or may not
[1:16:00] come into effect in the future. Um
[1:16:04] but staff are happy to respond any
[1:16:07] questions the council may have on this.
[1:16:10] » Great. Thanks uh madam clerk. Uh who
[1:16:12] wants to start?
[1:16:15] You're
[1:16:16] » Yeah. Go ahead. Councelor Shank,
[1:16:17] » That has to be addressed. All right. The
[1:16:20] key is is with the bylaw,
[1:16:23] what one does, everybody has to do. What
[1:16:26] I find is that I I'm in agreement with
[1:16:29] the staff recommendation under one point
[1:16:31] that I think we should reduce is the
[1:16:34] buffer zone from 15 ft to 10 ft. This
[1:16:37] alleviates any other min any other areas
[1:16:40] of naturalization that we currently
[1:16:42] have. All right. that's bordering to
[1:16:45] somebody that wants to keep their lawn
[1:16:48] as as a lawn. All right? So, you don't
[1:16:50] have that [clears throat] grass or weeds
[1:16:52] or whatever it might be over on that
[1:16:55] property. So, a 10-ft buffer, what
[1:16:57] they're suggesting, I feel is a very
[1:16:59] much of a compromise. And in the
[1:17:01] meantime, over the winter time in the
[1:17:04] new council, Jessica will be coming up
[1:17:06] and drafting a new bylaw, something that
[1:17:08] is
[1:17:10] palatable for everybody, whether they're
[1:17:13] the new council wants to have no
[1:17:15] naturalization or some naturalization or
[1:17:19] what they would like, but it gives
[1:17:20] everybody in the municipality
[1:17:23] that can have a voice towards it and go
[1:17:26] through that.
[1:17:27] So everybody will have a say whether
[1:17:29] they do or they don't. Do they does the
[1:17:31] municipality want it or not want it? All
[1:17:33] right. So this is kind of a happy
[1:17:35] medium. So as far as I'm concerned, uh
[1:17:39] it's a fair approach. I agree with the
[1:17:41] municipality, but all we're asking for
[1:17:44] is a 10 ft buffer zone that with the
[1:17:48] reasons what uh just get already done.
[1:17:51] So and I'll move that staff
[1:17:53] recommendation.
[1:17:55] » Yeah. Great. Thanks. Uh, thanks
[1:17:57] councelor Shank. We'll see if anyone
[1:17:58] else wants to weigh in. I'll weigh in
[1:17:59] and then I'll look I'll come back to you
[1:18:01] for that uh for that motion. So, um, is
[1:18:05] there anything else before I weigh in?
[1:18:10] Uh, councelor Martin. Thank you, Mayor.
[1:18:13] Um,
[1:18:16] just just the fact that we're going to
[1:18:18] be reviewing our bylaw and producing a
[1:18:22] new bylaw, I'm assuming, although maybe
[1:18:24] not. Maybe it'll be the same as the old
[1:18:26] one, but I just think if there's going
[1:18:27] to be a staff review,
[1:18:30] um, this order to mow should be
[1:18:33] suspended and until that's done and we
[1:18:36] have a new bylaw in place. So, that
[1:18:39] would be my recommendation. Uh, I know
[1:18:41] it's not staff recommendation, but uh,
[1:18:43] that's my recommendation. I I I
[1:18:47] just feel that um, naturalization has to
[1:18:51] has to have some weight in this. Um,
[1:18:55] some people uh I know are worried about
[1:18:58] ticks, but I I and they're worried about
[1:19:01] noxious weeds. But sometimes
[1:19:05] sometimes you have to go beyond
[1:19:08] those things to I mean it's very
[1:19:10] important that we also have pollination
[1:19:13] with our bees and with our butterflies.
[1:19:15] It's so I I'm the opposite of some
[1:19:18] people's view on this and uh I would
[1:19:21] just recommend right like I say
[1:19:23] suspending this order temporarily until
[1:19:27] it's reviewed and a new ballot comes
[1:19:29] forward. That's that's about the best I
[1:19:31] can say right now. Thank you.
[1:19:34] » Great. Thanks uh councelor Martin. Go
[1:19:35] ahead councelor.
[1:19:37] » Um just briefly uh I pretty well agree
[1:19:40] with councelor Martin. We have to look
[1:19:42] at each case. As we've said with the
[1:19:44] wetlands and whatnot that the case by
[1:19:47] case, this is not the same. This this
[1:19:50] this lady's piece of property I want to
[1:19:52] look at is not the same as Robert and
[1:19:53] Water Street. That is a mess. That
[1:19:56] should be cut. But they can't say now
[1:19:59] that's a wild land cuz it's not. That's
[1:20:00] just one example. So she's done
[1:20:03] something proper. I think we she should
[1:20:04] be put on hold until a new bylaw comes
[1:20:06] out. And uh again look at them case by
[1:20:09] case. That's that's my opinion. Great.
[1:20:12] Thanks, uh, councelor Nori. Um, is there
[1:20:14] anything else? Uh, before I weigh in,
[1:20:19] uh, seeing none, I, uh, I, I, I, I, I,
[1:20:22] I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,
[1:20:22] I, I, I have to agree with Councelor
[1:20:23] Shank. Um, I I think what we're doing
[1:20:26] here is taking a very measured approach.
[1:20:30] I don't think we are in a position to
[1:20:33] completely discredit
[1:20:35] the risk of the blacklegged tick.
[1:20:39] And the reason I say that is is because
[1:20:41] back in it's become a
[1:20:46] public safety issue at some point
[1:20:48] because um back in April of 2025,
[1:20:53] the Southeastern Health Unit put out a
[1:20:57] release that identified that the risk of
[1:21:00] encountering the blacklegged ticks. And
[1:21:02] I I'll just read parts of it. And and I
[1:21:04] know that there's uh there's folks out
[1:21:05] there that have the ability to find
[1:21:07] this, but the risk of encountering
[1:21:09] blacklegged ticks in the southeast
[1:21:10] region, which where we are, is very high
[1:21:13] compared to the rest of the province. So
[1:21:16] it's it's we're in a part of the the
[1:21:18] world that this is a very prevalent
[1:21:20] public health issue. Uh that was in
[1:21:22] April of 2025. In May of 2026, uh they
[1:21:26] they've released again the health unit,
[1:21:29] the the the Southeastern Health Unit has
[1:21:31] released and said that the warm weather
[1:21:32] is here. The Southeast Public Health
[1:21:34] Unit is reminding residents that the
[1:21:36] region is an established high risk for
[1:21:39] blacklegged ticks. So, they've they've
[1:21:43] reconfirmed that we have an issue here.
[1:21:46] we have a problem here that uh that
[1:21:48] [clears throat] we all know has the
[1:21:50] ability to to to spread the the Lyme
[1:21:53] disease.
[1:21:55] throughout um throughout my readings, I
[1:21:58] was able to obviously I I went on to the
[1:22:01] the province of Ontario's website um
[1:22:04] that talks about um ticks, Lyme disease,
[1:22:08] uh avoiding uh tick bites and and and
[1:22:12] the link is is within I I thank Madam
[1:22:14] Clerk because Madame Clerk has been so
[1:22:16] gracious to put that link in the staff
[1:22:19] report that we've seen in that uh so
[1:22:21] when you go to the link and you click
[1:22:22] it, it talks about maintaining your
[1:22:24] property And it says you can help keep
[1:22:26] blacklegged ticks away from your
[1:22:28] property by and the first note is
[1:22:31] keeping grass mode short.
[1:22:35] So it's [clears throat] very highly d uh
[1:22:38] documented that um
[1:22:42] we have a problem here. it's a
[1:22:43] high-risisk area and and that's uh one
[1:22:46] of the ways in order to to remedy the
[1:22:48] problem and it's not going to make I
[1:22:50] think we're all not uh [sighs]
[1:22:52] naive enough to know that it's not going
[1:22:54] to completely but it's going to mitigate
[1:22:57] the problem with with the blacklegged
[1:22:58] ticks is is to keep some grass cut. So
[1:23:01] we as a council have to consider and and
[1:23:05] we are we're taking into consideration
[1:23:06] the naturalization. I think we are
[1:23:08] because uh uh we we've we've seen the uh
[1:23:11] the case law at least I have and I've
[1:23:13] read through the case law and the case
[1:23:14] law is somewhat helpful but it's not
[1:23:17] completely helpful because the case law
[1:23:20] doesn't address public health or safety
[1:23:22] issues which I'm assuming in the city of
[1:23:24] Missaga they don't have the same issues
[1:23:26] that we do at the in the town of Greater
[1:23:28] Napony or in the southeast health unit
[1:23:30] area catchment area. So um while it's
[1:23:33] helpful, it it is case law that uh we we
[1:23:36] have to be cognizant of, but it doesn't
[1:23:39] completely cover the issues that we have
[1:23:41] here. And I think uh um we have to keep
[1:23:44] in mind that there is a public health
[1:23:46] issue with respect to the blacklegged
[1:23:48] ticks and the Lyme disease in our in our
[1:23:50] catchment area. So how are we going to
[1:23:51] how are we going to rectify that and how
[1:23:52] we going to remedy that? Um I I agree
[1:23:55] with councelor Shank that um a buffer
[1:23:59] zone which also in the documentations
[1:24:01] from the province it it talks about uh
[1:24:03] buffer zones and at one point it talks
[1:24:05] about even considering placing uh when
[1:24:07] you have u uh equipment uh swings and
[1:24:10] playground equipment and that types of
[1:24:11] thing of placing wood chips or mulch and
[1:24:14] the foundation of that to try and help
[1:24:15] to um to mitigate the fact of uh of the
[1:24:20] issue of of the blacklegged tick. So, um
[1:24:23] I think the buffer zone um is the most
[1:24:28] appropriate thing to do and and and like
[1:24:29] I say, we have to not only take into
[1:24:31] consideration those folks that uh wish
[1:24:34] to have naturalized lawns, but we have
[1:24:36] to take into the the consideration the
[1:24:38] rest of the population as well that may
[1:24:40] come in contact with a blacklegged tick
[1:24:42] and get bit. So, um I have to agree with
[1:24:45] councelor Shank with respect to to uh
[1:24:47] what he's saying. I think we owe it to
[1:24:50] our community to ensure that we have
[1:24:53] done everything that we could do in
[1:24:55] light of the fact that we are cognizant
[1:24:57] and same as every other municipality in
[1:24:59] this province is cognizant of the fact
[1:25:02] that their their bylaws with respect to
[1:25:05] grass cutting probably should be
[1:25:06] reviewed and I and I have to think uh um
[1:25:09] with the with the extra time that we're
[1:25:11] going to have now as we're moving into
[1:25:12] into the winter season or the fall
[1:25:14] season um it's going to provide us an
[1:25:16] opportunity to to have a robust
[1:25:18] conversation with respect to cutting
[1:25:20] grass. It's going to provide us the
[1:25:21] opportunity to to come up with a uh an
[1:25:24] updated a a very um thorough
[1:25:30] bylaw which is going to take into
[1:25:32] account uh all the citizens. So, uh,
[1:25:35] having said that, um, and and I guess
[1:25:38] [sighs]
[1:25:39] what I should also and and I want to
[1:25:41] make sure that we we we we've dotted all
[1:25:42] the eyes and cross the tees here, but,
[1:25:44] uh, um, there has been a large number of
[1:25:47] correspondence that get, uh, um, um,
[1:25:51] received and supported through quite a
[1:25:55] few of the 444 municipalities in this
[1:25:58] province. uh asking the province to to
[1:26:02] get engaged in in the um the assistance
[1:26:06] of trying to solve the Lyme disease
[1:26:08] problem that we have. So, and I think uh
[1:26:10] I think we all know that the best way of
[1:26:13] resolving the Lyme disease problem is
[1:26:15] not getting Lyme disease. So, um and and
[1:26:19] that uh and I don't have unfortunately I
[1:26:21] don't have that documentation in front
[1:26:22] of me tonight, but I know that I could
[1:26:24] find it fairly quickly. uh and I noted
[1:26:26] it that it's uh not only been um
[1:26:30] received and supported by municipalities
[1:26:32] in the rural areas, it's been received
[1:26:34] and noted and and supported by
[1:26:36] municipalities in northwestern Ontario
[1:26:38] as as well as uh those in the GTA area.
[1:26:41] So, um I I think we we need to do our
[1:26:44] due diligence on this at this point and
[1:26:46] uh um provide some form of a buffer,
[1:26:50] which I think 10 ft is is probably the
[1:26:52] fair amount as we've heard in in
[1:26:54] previous reports that uh the 15T buffer
[1:26:57] zone is is a buffer zone that is being
[1:26:59] used by a municipality that's close to
[1:27:02] us. Um I think uh which which which
[1:27:05] would be fine but I think the 10-ft
[1:27:07] buffer zone would be sufficient to in
[1:27:09] order to provide the uh the public
[1:27:11] safety that I think uh we need to
[1:27:14] provide with respect to this. So having
[1:27:16] said all that is there anything that
[1:27:18] anyone else would like to comment uh and
[1:27:20] I'll put it back because I've obviously
[1:27:22] talked a lot this evening. Um is there
[1:27:24] anything else anybody would else would
[1:27:26] like to say before I uh ask councelor
[1:27:28] Shank to make a motion? Go ahead deputy
[1:27:29] mayor cover then I'll go to councelor
[1:27:31] Martin. Thank you through your worship.
[1:27:33] So just for the public out there
[1:27:35] listening, our current bylaw, which is a
[1:27:39] law, states grass must be cut entire
[1:27:42] yard.
[1:27:44] What I'm hearing and understand from the
[1:27:47] report I've read is that we're going to
[1:27:50] not go with a 15t buffer zone, but a
[1:27:53] 10-ft buffer zone.
[1:27:56] That's acceptable for now until we have
[1:27:58] a chance to review our bylaws.
[1:28:01] So, we are making a bit of an adjustment
[1:28:04] to our bylaw [clears throat] for this
[1:28:06] particular piece of property
[1:28:09] until such time
[1:28:12] we get a chance to review everything and
[1:28:13] review it thoroughly, which I think is
[1:28:16] is more than fair. Thank you. Thanks,
[1:28:19] Deputy Mayor Calver. And go ahead,
[1:28:21] councelor Martin.
[1:28:22] » Thank you, Mayor. um
[1:28:26] through you. Um
[1:28:29] can [clears throat]
[1:28:30] since we are going to be reviewing our
[1:28:32] bylaw and there could be changes uh to
[1:28:36] it and in view of the fact that there's
[1:28:39] cold weather coming, there's going to be
[1:28:40] snow covering the ground. I don't think
[1:28:42] anybody's going to get any ticks from
[1:28:43] that, can we not suspend this order to
[1:28:47] mow until that bylaw is reviewed?
[1:28:56] Uh we we as a council obviously
[1:28:58] councelor Martin can uh do whatever
[1:29:01] forehands say we do when they put it in
[1:29:04] the air but uh um I think we just need
[1:29:07] to remind everyone that uh the issue
[1:29:09] with the tick population unfortunately
[1:29:13] um a number of years ago the cold
[1:29:15] weather used to kill them off but
[1:29:17] unfortunately that doesn't exist anymore
[1:29:18] so that doesn't kill them off and and
[1:29:20] and from my understanding any of the
[1:29:21] research I've done on it is that uh even
[1:29:24] the uh even the winters that we have
[1:29:28] here aren't sufficient enough to keep
[1:29:30] them at bay. So um that's my
[1:29:33] understanding of it anyways. So but uh
[1:29:37] like I say we can uh I'll I'll entertain
[1:29:40] uh councelor Shank's motion and then
[1:29:43] we'll go from there. So thank you.
[1:29:46] I'll say one final thing if you go ahead
[1:29:48] counc
[1:29:50] » The way I look at it council Martin
[1:29:51] councel nory is that the bylaw currently
[1:29:54] states you have to cut your whole lot
[1:29:56] all right it's a residential not not
[1:29:58] fully developed residential subdivision
[1:30:01] all right it's in a residential
[1:30:03] subdivision so we have for the we had I
[1:30:07] think minimum of 60 complaints just in
[1:30:09] the south of different lots all right
[1:30:13] that the bylaw had to do uh most of them
[1:30:17] or pretty well all of them have done
[1:30:19] theirs.
[1:30:21] I understand the proponent who's went
[1:30:24] ahead and said, "Hey, I've I've got a
[1:30:26] you know, I don't lived in the
[1:30:28] countryside all the time, but I have a
[1:30:30] I've made a natural lawn here with this
[1:30:33] that to teach my kids and everything
[1:30:34] else, which he has a valid point."
[1:30:37] But all I'm saying is is that if a 10-ft
[1:30:40] boundary, all right, because if you let
[1:30:44] this lady go 100% and not have a buffer,
[1:30:48] what about the proponent that's right
[1:30:50] beside it that wants to have their lawn
[1:30:51] cut perfectly?
[1:30:53] So 10 ft out of the acreage that she
[1:30:56] has, all right, on this I feel is a a
[1:31:01] fair and approachable,
[1:31:03] you know what I mean? something that's
[1:31:05] protecting the neighbors and other
[1:31:06] locations also and this location. All
[1:31:09] right. And it's something that's that's
[1:31:11] uh you're not going ahead and cutting
[1:31:14] the whole lot especially when you have a
[1:31:16] valid point and this should be
[1:31:17] addressed. We are going to address this
[1:31:19] in the meantime. You're setting a
[1:31:21] precedent. Also, if you have a natural
[1:31:23] lies and you have done the work that the
[1:31:25] lady has done, you have to have a buffer
[1:31:27] road to protect your neighbors also. You
[1:31:30] can't just let leave your yard into
[1:31:32] natural because the next neighbor beside
[1:31:34] might not like that. So you have to take
[1:31:36] that under consideration also. That's
[1:31:38] the reason why I feel this is a fair and
[1:31:41] measured approach of what we're doing.
[1:31:44] So that's why it's proud. There we go.
[1:31:47] » Great. Thanks uh councelor Shank. Uh we
[1:31:50] do have a recommendation. I think it was
[1:31:52] staff recommendation that you wish to uh
[1:31:54] with the the minor modification. And
[1:31:55] I'll read it so everybody is aware of
[1:31:57] it. That council receive for information
[1:31:58] executive services grass bylaw review
[1:32:00] and compliance order 0307 report. And
[1:32:03] further that council direct that no
[1:32:05] changes be made to the grass bylaw at
[1:32:07] this time, but that a recommendation to
[1:32:09] review the bylaw in advance of the next
[1:32:12] enforcement season be presented to the
[1:32:14] next term of council. And further that
[1:32:16] the council direct the compliance order
[1:32:17] 0307 be upheld and modified to require a
[1:32:21] buffer zone of 10 feet to be mowed on
[1:32:23] the southeast south and east boundaries
[1:32:26] of the lot to a height below 10 in with
[1:32:29] an exception of the any wet land areas
[1:32:31] and with a compliance deadline of the
[1:32:34] 8th of September 2026.
[1:32:37] And you'll make that by way of motion.
[1:32:40] And we have a seconder with councelor
[1:32:42] Davyy has is the seconder. Is there any
[1:32:45] further comments, questions, or concerns
[1:32:47] before we call for the vote? Council
[1:32:49] Martin,
[1:32:50] » Can we have a recorded vote, please?
[1:32:52] » Uh oh. Yeah. Oh, Madam Clerk is out
[1:32:55] here. So, yeah. Uh, Madame Clerk, if if
[1:32:58] there's nothing else, um, uh, I'll turn
[1:33:00] it over to you.
[1:33:03] » All right. Um, Ward One, Councelor
[1:33:05] Shank.
[1:33:06] » W three, Councelor Davey.
[1:33:07] » Ward four, councelor Nory,
[1:33:09] » No.
[1:33:09] » Ward five, councelor Martin,
[1:33:11] » No.
[1:33:11] » Deputy Mayor Caliber,
[1:33:13] » Yes. Mayor Richardson.
[1:33:14] » Yes,
[1:33:15] » That motion's carried.
[1:33:17] » Great. Thank you uh thank you folks and
[1:33:19] thank you uh madam clerk for doing that.
[1:33:20] So moving on to the next matter,
[1:33:23] financial and IT services OCIF funding
[1:33:26] support resolution. And
[1:33:29] Mr. Murphy, you're going to speak to
[1:33:31] that.
[1:33:43] uh through your worship. I I don't have
[1:33:44] a whole lot to add to the report in
[1:33:46] front of you. Uh I think it speaks for
[1:33:48] itself in terms of the financial impact.
[1:33:51] If OCIF was lost for the municipality,
[1:33:53] uh it is not a small amount of money and
[1:33:55] the projects it goes towards on an
[1:33:57] annual basis. U if those funds were
[1:33:59] lost, I think it would have a major
[1:34:01] impact on the municipality. Uh as to
[1:34:04] what council wishes to do, that's
[1:34:05] totally up to them in terms of um
[1:34:08] whether they want to advocate or whether
[1:34:09] they do not want to or the method they
[1:34:11] wish to do so. Um but staff feel that
[1:34:14] this is a extremely important issue and
[1:34:16] the financial impact uh would be
[1:34:18] significant on the budget as a whole. Um
[1:34:20] so happy to take any questions if you
[1:34:23] wish. Um but otherwise I'll leave it up
[1:34:25] to you.
[1:34:27] » Thanks Nathan. Uh is there any questions
[1:34:28] or comments with respect to Mr. Nathan's
[1:34:30] presentation of the report that's in
[1:34:32] front of us this evening.
[1:34:34] Seeing none, we do have a recommendation
[1:34:35] the council receive for information the
[1:34:37] financial IT services OCF funding
[1:34:39] support resolution report and further
[1:34:40] council support the municipal finances
[1:34:42] finance officers association of Ontario.
[1:34:44] The MFOA requests that the province of
[1:34:47] Ontario make a permanent make permanent
[1:34:49] the doubling of the Ontario Community
[1:34:50] Infrastructure Fund funding from 200
[1:34:53] million to 400 million annually
[1:34:55] beginning in 2027 and that a copy of the
[1:34:59] resolution be forwarded to the Premier
[1:35:00] of Ontario, the Minister of
[1:35:01] Infrastructure, Minister of Municipal
[1:35:03] Affairs and Housing, the Minister of
[1:35:04] Finance, the Minister of Finance
[1:35:05] Officers Association of Ontario, the
[1:35:07] Association of Municipalities Ontario,
[1:35:09] the Member of Provincial Parliament for
[1:35:11] Hastings, Lennoxx and Anington and
[1:35:12] Ontario municipality Nice. Moved by
[1:35:16] councelor Davyy, seconded by councelor
[1:35:18] Nory. If there's no further comments,
[1:35:21] questions, or concerns, all in favor of
[1:35:23] that motion? Opposed? Motion's carried.
[1:35:25] Trails Development Advisory Committee
[1:35:27] initial recommendations. And Mr. Grant,
[1:35:30] uh, when you're ready, the floor is
[1:35:31] yours.
[1:35:48] Thank you. And through your your worship
[1:35:51] uh to members of council, this is uh the
[1:35:54] first set of recommendations from the
[1:35:56] trails development advisory committee.
[1:35:59] Um so the committee as uh the deputy
[1:36:01] mayor has pointed out has met twice. Um
[1:36:04] they have uh broken down their work uh
[1:36:07] into uh a number of different areas. Um
[1:36:11] so they're going to uh go over
[1:36:13] everything from
[1:36:15] uh safety and security to amenities uh
[1:36:18] and the like. So they've they've put out
[1:36:20] a a pretty robust uh work plan, safety,
[1:36:22] security issues, amenities and
[1:36:24] accessibility, recommended service
[1:36:25] levels and promotion of the trails.
[1:36:28] Um in going through their first uh and
[1:36:31] second meetings, the committee had a few
[1:36:34] recommendations uh that they wanted uh
[1:36:37] council to consider. Um with respect to
[1:36:41] the trail and those I would suggest um
[1:36:44] uh should council adopt some of those
[1:36:46] recommendations, um some of them would
[1:36:48] need to go to the budget process. Um but
[1:36:51] the committee itself
[1:36:54] um felt that the new in town trails
[1:36:58] um should have encampment protocol
[1:37:00] restrictions around it. Now I point out
[1:37:02] the encampment protocol already covers a
[1:37:05] a significant portion of the in town
[1:37:07] trails. Some of the trails are on public
[1:37:10] property like uh streets and sidewalks
[1:37:12] and that wouldn't uh that would already
[1:37:14] be covered. Uh some of them uh there
[1:37:17] would be um and I'll ask madam clerk to
[1:37:20] correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe
[1:37:21] it's um [clears throat]
[1:37:23] uh 3 m or 3 feet on either side.
[1:37:29] » I think madam clerk wants to weigh in
[1:37:31] there first. Matthew,
[1:37:33] » Sorry. Ju just to clarify through your
[1:37:35] worship. Um
[1:37:37] right now because there's no trail,
[1:37:40] there's an existing buffer setback of 10
[1:37:42] meters from the private property line.
[1:37:44] So the the middle where the rails were
[1:37:47] could technically have an encampment on
[1:37:49] it. I believe that once a trail is built
[1:37:53] the buffers will overlap to the point
[1:37:55] that the entire area will be a sensitive
[1:37:57] use anyway without making any bylaw
[1:38:00] amendments. But the my understanding is
[1:38:02] the recommendation is the trail
[1:38:04] development committee just wanted to
[1:38:05] make extra sure because it will be the
[1:38:07] trail itself plus 5 m on either side
[1:38:11] plus the 10 m coming in from the private
[1:38:13] property line is very likely uh covering
[1:38:16] that whole area
[1:38:18] and thank you. Uh there may be uh a
[1:38:22] small area or two along that trail that
[1:38:25] would not be covered by private
[1:38:26] property, but the vast majority of it
[1:38:28] will be or would uh touch on uh the
[1:38:32] distance from uh a cemetery. Um so uh
[1:38:37] with that uh we could uh be directed to
[1:38:40] look at any remaining areas and that
[1:38:43] should go through uh an encampment
[1:38:44] protocol review process. I would suggest
[1:38:47] uh that council welcome ebikes and e-
[1:38:49] scooters uh onto the town trail and
[1:38:51] ensure where appropriate speed limits
[1:38:53] are in place. That the town consult with
[1:38:55] the OP on a minimum number of security
[1:38:57] cameras that be considered for
[1:38:58] installation on the town trails. That
[1:39:00] council consider laying uh the
[1:39:02] appropriate conduit during trail
[1:39:03] construction to accommodate any lighting
[1:39:05] and security cameras that might be
[1:39:07] required. And the town explore funding
[1:39:09] opportunities uh through grants to
[1:39:11] support all trail amenities. uh and
[1:39:13] staff looking at this. Um a lot of great
[1:39:17] ideas coming out of the trail
[1:39:18] development advisory committee. Uh I
[1:39:21] would uh as the sitting staff member
[1:39:23] there offer the following reflections.
[1:39:25] Um
[1:39:27] the we could expand sensitive use
[1:39:29] designations to the periphery of in town
[1:39:31] trails. Uh I think that should be part
[1:39:33] of a broader review process and as the
[1:39:35] clerk has mentioned much of it is
[1:39:37] already covered but there will be the
[1:39:39] odd pockets uh that may have uh some
[1:39:42] areas that we may want to look at. um
[1:39:46] that but it should be in the in the
[1:39:47] broader context. I believe that council
[1:39:49] defer the promotion acceptance of e-
[1:39:51] scooters and ebikes on in town trails
[1:39:53] until such time as it decides on whether
[1:39:55] it wishes to permit the use of the VI
[1:39:57] bylaw which is required by provincial
[1:40:00] legislation. Uh that council directs
[1:40:02] staff to consult uh with the OP on the
[1:40:05] appropriate location for security
[1:40:06] cameras. that council directs staff to
[1:40:09] include estimates for solar lighting and
[1:40:11] remote security cameras on the in town
[1:40:13] trails as part of the 2027 budget
[1:40:15] process. I think we can meet their
[1:40:17] intent without necessarily
[1:40:19] um putting in conduit uh at this point
[1:40:22] in time. Uh and that uh council direct
[1:40:25] staff to include trail amenities as a
[1:40:26] focus in its 2027 grant acquisition
[1:40:29] strategy. Um and with the grants uh
[1:40:31] strategy coming forward um that will
[1:40:33] make a ton of sense. Uh, with that, I'm
[1:40:36] happy to answer any questions. And, uh,
[1:40:38] in your report, you'll have the
[1:40:39] recommendations that the committee made
[1:40:40] up top, uh, staff's reflections
[1:40:43] underneath. And what I would recommend
[1:40:45] is council may want to have each
[1:40:47] recommendation in a separate motion.
[1:40:50] » Thank you, Mr. Grant. Uh, councelor
[1:40:52] Nori,
[1:40:53] » Just quickly, the one I'm opposed to
[1:40:56] till we have more legislation is the
[1:40:57] ecooters on those things. I'm going to
[1:40:59] be bringing up something under
[1:41:00] inquiries. I don't want to double double
[1:41:02] dip but without lights and dark and
[1:41:06] these things I know under the law the
[1:41:07] road can't go above 24 km an hour but
[1:41:09] cakes had a fellow going 77 and it's
[1:41:12] facing a lot of charge so I would like
[1:41:15] to see that one scrapt there for now
[1:41:16] until we don't eliminate mo mobility
[1:41:19] things but uh it's very slippery slope
[1:41:22] if you're not too careful that would
[1:41:24] just be my only suggestion for now
[1:41:28] » Thanks councelor and I think that's
[1:41:29] that's part of the recommendations is to
[1:41:31] defer that. And and I mean I agree with
[1:41:32] you because this whole ebike scooter
[1:41:37] scenario is is is
[1:41:40] um evolving I guess is the best way to
[1:41:42] put it. So but I think I think the
[1:41:43] recommendation if I'm not mistaken, Mr.
[1:41:45] Grant, was to defer that anyways until
[1:41:47] there's some clarification. But I'll let
[1:41:49] you speak to that.
[1:41:50] » Sure. Uh thank you your worship. So, um,
[1:41:53] the way that the the committee
[1:41:55] recommendation sheets are, um, laid out
[1:41:58] is the committee's recommendations are
[1:42:00] on top, staff's reflections are on the
[1:42:02] bottom. My reflection is that you should
[1:42:04] defer that until such time that council
[1:42:06] makes a decision on the broader, uh,
[1:42:08] escooter situation, which would be
[1:42:11] required anyway.
[1:42:14] » Yeah. Perfect. So, uh, thank you, Mr.
[1:42:16] Grant. Is there anything else? M I think
[1:42:20] councelor Martin was gonna make this up
[1:42:22] here.
[1:42:22] » Um
[1:42:24] Mr. Grant, I I I agree with most
[1:42:27] everything and and thank goodness that
[1:42:29] we're working towards finishing the in
[1:42:31] town trail. It's going to be wonderful.
[1:42:33] Um certainly agree with lighting and
[1:42:36] cameras. Um [sighs]
[1:42:40] the sensitive use issue is a big deal
[1:42:42] for me. I'd love to see it as sensitive
[1:42:45] use on the trail as well, but I got
[1:42:48] Springside Park that I'm really
[1:42:50] concerned about right now. I'm really
[1:42:53] concerned about the children playing
[1:42:54] down there right now. There's people
[1:42:57] walking their dogs,
[1:42:59] children running and playing in our
[1:43:02] Springside Park. And that's not a
[1:43:04] sensitive use area.
[1:43:06] It should be. So, I'm saying if we're
[1:43:09] going to put sensitive use on the
[1:43:11] trails, Springside Park should be
[1:43:13] sensitive use as well. And there's
[1:43:16] there's something's got to change here
[1:43:17] because I'm going to be awful upset. I'm
[1:43:20] I'm really really ticked off right now
[1:43:22] what's going on down there. But anyway,
[1:43:25] I I'll leave it at that for now.
[1:43:28] » Thanks. Uh thanks, Councelor Martin. Go
[1:43:30] ahead, Mr. Grant.
[1:43:32] » Three, Mr. Mayor and Council Martin. I
[1:43:33] share your concern. I do uh the um not
[1:43:37] only the impact on the citizens but the
[1:43:39] impact on on the services that citizens
[1:43:41] pay for is is significant. Um and as
[1:43:45] well the the individuals living there
[1:43:46] are are also not having a a great time
[1:43:49] of it. So given that I um if there is a
[1:43:53] concern about looking that in isolation
[1:43:55] and I would agree that that's fair. Um
[1:43:57] there may be an opportunity to review
[1:43:59] the sensarium more broadly as part of
[1:44:02] the annual education program that we're
[1:44:04] doing. You you could also take a look at
[1:44:06] the legislation and that um with the
[1:44:08] indication from
[1:44:11] uh the morning star mission that they
[1:44:12] intend to move. Uh their service
[1:44:15] functions may also shift. Um there has
[1:44:18] been some preliminary discussions about
[1:44:20] expanding their services. Um you know
[1:44:24] and and if they uh expand those services
[1:44:27] to a point or the county expands those
[1:44:29] services uh to a point where um there is
[1:44:33] a shelter or some shelter spaces in
[1:44:35] town. uh town council has the ability to
[1:44:39] revisit the amount of sensitive use
[1:44:42] areas that uh exist because the balance
[1:44:47] um and that's what it's all about is
[1:44:49] balance with when with in the absence of
[1:44:51] shelter space we have to
[1:44:55] air on the side of caution. there does
[1:44:57] seem to be shelter space with a move and
[1:44:59] that that may happen um then I think we
[1:45:05] would be in a position to re-evaluate.
[1:45:07] We we still wouldn't be able to protect
[1:45:08] everything but we may be able to expand.
[1:45:10] So I would suggest councelor Martin that
[1:45:13] that would be appropriate to address
[1:45:15] those concerns to move it to a broader
[1:45:17] review so we don't look at anything in
[1:45:19] isolation if that's the will of council.
[1:45:24] » Go ahead, Bill.
[1:45:25] » Thank you, Mayor. Um, thank you,
[1:45:27] Matthew. I I I think you hit on it right
[1:45:30] there. A broader review would uh would
[1:45:33] uh be better because if we are going to
[1:45:34] look at sensitive use area, a trail,
[1:45:39] it's absolutely asinidine to not include
[1:45:42] Springside Park down there. I mean,
[1:45:44] we've got visitors going down there,
[1:45:45] hundreds of them every day. I I wouldn't
[1:45:48] even be surprised if it it would hit a
[1:45:50] thousand people down there. and and
[1:45:52] there's kids walking with I've I've
[1:45:55] picked up needles myself off the ground
[1:45:58] and and took them to a needle drop off.
[1:46:01] I It's dangerous for kids. It's
[1:46:03] dangerous for people being down there in
[1:46:05] that park. So,
[1:46:08] this gives me a perfect opportunity to
[1:46:10] complain about that with this with the
[1:46:12] trail. So, uh and and I'm not against
[1:46:15] that on the trails either because I I
[1:46:17] believe me and I know it's a problem
[1:46:19] everywhere. Everybody's
[1:46:22] really ticked off with what's been going
[1:46:23] on with the tents and the and the
[1:46:26] homeless conditions and sort of thing.
[1:46:28] Residents, taxpayers, they can't use
[1:46:30] their park because of of what's going on
[1:46:34] and that's not fair to them. So, and I
[1:46:37] know I know it's county and it's
[1:46:39] province and and we our hands are tied
[1:46:42] and I know I understand I understand all
[1:46:44] that, but I'm just saying sensitive use
[1:46:46] if we can use that in the park as well
[1:46:49] as the trails, you're going to make a
[1:46:51] lot of people happy. So, there you go.
[1:46:54] » Yeah. Go ahead, Mr. Mayor.
[1:46:56] » So, thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'd say
[1:46:58] councilman, I agree um that there's a
[1:47:01] lot of concern. Uh I would say that uh
[1:47:04] Greater Napony has gone further than
[1:47:06] most in terms of protection. Uh so
[1:47:09] conservation park in its entirety uh is
[1:47:11] off limits and we've we've had great
[1:47:13] success in making sure that we've
[1:47:16] minimized um conflicting use in those
[1:47:19] areas. Um you know there's been a few
[1:47:22] other areas where we've had a tremendous
[1:47:23] success. uh we've been able to partner
[1:47:26] with um social service agencies and law
[1:47:29] enforcement and and and I would say that
[1:47:32] in the event um that there is um a
[1:47:38] proper shelter option in town um I'm
[1:47:41] cautiously optimistic we might see that
[1:47:43] in the future. I know that uh you know
[1:47:47] the Morning Star Mission is in in their
[1:47:49] move is is looking at their options. I
[1:47:52] think the county has been um in on those
[1:47:55] discussions and and supportive of
[1:47:57] Morning Star Mission's uh broader
[1:48:00] mandate. I can't say too much cuz it's
[1:48:02] not u my discussion to have, but um so
[1:48:05] I'm keeping an eye on that situation
[1:48:07] very closely and and appreciating that
[1:48:10] um many council members would like to be
[1:48:14] um protect as much area as we can. Um if
[1:48:19] there if the situation changes where we
[1:48:22] can strike different balance because
[1:48:24] there's more amenities available for
[1:48:25] those that are homeless, uh I will be
[1:48:28] the first in line to bring that to you.
[1:48:33] Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Grant. I I
[1:48:35] appreciate what you're saying there. And
[1:48:36] and uh I I know this council, this town
[1:48:41] staff, everybody has done everything we
[1:48:43] can legally do with the homeless
[1:48:46] situation. But but it's important to say
[1:48:49] legally because we have to act within
[1:48:52] the law. And unfortunately going back to
[1:48:54] what is it 1982 or something when the
[1:48:57] charter of rights come out or when and
[1:49:00] you know um it's affected what we're
[1:49:03] doing here today actually I I believe so
[1:49:07] anyway
[1:49:08] what we can do with ringside park I I'm
[1:49:11] I'm I'm happy to hear that at least it's
[1:49:13] going to be in the mix of of speaking
[1:49:16] about it. So thank you very much. Thank
[1:49:18] you mayor.
[1:49:19] » Thanks Council. Go ahead Deputy May. Uh
[1:49:21] thank you through your worship. Um just
[1:49:25] uh
[1:49:27] to uh Madame Clerk, I'm just wondering
[1:49:29] what is the buffer zone for a trail and
[1:49:32] is there a different buffer zone for
[1:49:33] trail versus parking lot? Because I
[1:49:35] think what the biggest complaint is that
[1:49:38] I'm hearing um at Springside Park is the
[1:49:41] 310 right along the edge of the parking
[1:49:43] lot as you come down. If you want to
[1:49:45] come down and enjoy your your lunch
[1:49:47] break and go for a walk, that's what you
[1:49:49] see. I I just wondered if there's is
[1:49:51] there a buffer zone from parking lots or
[1:49:53] is it just from the trail itself?
[1:49:56] » So through your worship under the uh
[1:49:59] current bylaw this setback is on or
[1:50:01] within 5 m of a walking path or trail
[1:50:06] parking lot or designated pedestrian
[1:50:08] access point. So it is the same buffer
[1:50:10] for both.
[1:50:12] » Okay. So they're definitely uh not the 5
[1:50:14] mters from the parking lot. Thank you.
[1:50:17] and uh to councelor Martin, I don't
[1:50:20] believe the county actually had a part
[1:50:21] in creating this problem, but we we do
[1:50:24] have a problem and we are working at it.
[1:50:26] Thank you.
[1:50:28] » Thank you. Uh Deputy Mayor Calary, is
[1:50:30] there anything else?
[1:50:34] Uh seeing none, we do have a
[1:50:36] recommendation that uh council receive
[1:50:38] for information the trails development
[1:50:39] advisory committee initial recommend
[1:50:41] recommendations report and further that
[1:50:43] council expand the sensitive use
[1:50:44] designation to the periphery of the in
[1:50:47] town trails to those areas not already
[1:50:51] captured by boundaries associated with
[1:50:52] the recreational amenities and private
[1:50:54] property that counts as a further
[1:50:55] promotion or acceptance of e- scooters
[1:50:57] and ebikes on in town trails until such
[1:51:00] time as it decides on whether it wishes
[1:51:02] to permit the use of these vehicles by
[1:51:04] bylaw as per the provincial legislation
[1:51:07] that council direct staff to consult
[1:51:08] with the OP on the appropriate location
[1:51:10] for security cameras and in town trails.
[1:51:12] That council direct staff to include
[1:51:13] estimates for solar lighting and remote
[1:51:16] security cameras on the in trails as
[1:51:18] part of the 2027 budget process and
[1:51:20] council direct staff to include trail
[1:51:22] amenities as f as a focus of its 2027
[1:51:26] grant acquisition strategy.
[1:51:30] Uh moved by councelor Shank, second by
[1:51:32] councelor Davey. Is there any further
[1:51:34] comments, questions, and concerns with
[1:51:36] respect to that motion?
[1:51:38] Go ahead, Mr. Grant.
[1:51:40] » So, uh, Mr. Mayor, just, uh, in
[1:51:42] reflection of the conversation that
[1:51:44] council's had, I think the only, uh,
[1:51:46] amendment to that motion that I might
[1:51:48] make, Mr. Mayor, is to defer, uh,
[1:51:51] protection of the trail to a broader
[1:51:53] review process if that's the will of
[1:51:55] council.
[1:51:59] » Yeah, we do have a motion on the floor.
[1:52:01] Um,
[1:52:03] I'll go to them. I'll go to the movers
[1:52:05] and the seconders.
[1:52:12] » Perfect.
[1:52:14] » Madam clerk, do you have what you have?
[1:52:23] So through your just to be clear, the
[1:52:25] first clause would be that council refer
[1:52:27] the request to expand the sensitive use
[1:52:30] designation um to those that already
[1:52:32] captured it to a broader review process.
[1:52:35] Um I believe that's already been
[1:52:37] scheduled for this coming winter.
[1:52:44] Over and second are good. Okay.
[1:52:46] » Is there anything further?
[1:52:49] Not. We'll call for the vote. All in
[1:52:50] favor? Motion's on the floor. Oppose.
[1:52:53] Motion's carried. Um
[1:52:56] information uh sorry bylaws. We don't
[1:52:58] have any bylaws. Information reports for
[1:52:59] members. I don't believe we have any of
[1:53:01] them. Inquiries. Does any member do any
[1:53:04] members of council have any inquiries
[1:53:05] with respect to anything? Councelor Nor.
[1:53:08] » Actually, I had a information.
[1:53:11] [laughter]
[1:53:11] » Well, we can
[1:53:12] » First and I've got two inquiries. Let me
[1:53:14] just talk. I tell you what, let's go
[1:53:15] back to the information reports first
[1:53:17] and then we'll go to the inquiries. I'm
[1:53:18] going to let you have at her.
[1:53:20] » Thank you. I'll do my best to be quiet.
[1:53:22] Um, from the arts committee, they had
[1:53:24] the final Music in the Park on April
[1:53:28] August 8th. I mean, very successful.
[1:53:32] And I just segue into what was been said
[1:53:35] beside me. People were relaxed and happy
[1:53:37] because they could enjoy their park. Not
[1:53:39] like last year. I'll leave that part at
[1:53:41] that. But it was over 100 people. So
[1:53:43] they were very very happy. Thank you.
[1:53:47] » Great. Thank you. Um inquiries. You want
[1:53:49] to go there too?
[1:53:51] » Yeah. Two. I think one you've already
[1:53:52] addressed Mr. Grant, but I was bringing
[1:53:55] up the escooters and that because the
[1:53:58] provincial government has said it's
[1:54:00] towns and municipalities responsibility
[1:54:01] for those things except for speed. I
[1:54:03] think it's 24 km an hour. And I'm
[1:54:05] worried about liability if or if we
[1:54:07] don't do something. And people are like
[1:54:08] pinball or pin bowling pins on certain
[1:54:11] sidewalks in different cities. I don't
[1:54:13] want that to happen here. And I've seen
[1:54:15] some adult-aged people acting like
[1:54:17] children on them on our sidewalk. So,
[1:54:19] are we looking into that? Um or are they
[1:54:23] about what we can do? I know we won't
[1:54:25] have enforcement, but to protect us
[1:54:27] liable liability wise, are you looking
[1:54:30] into that?
[1:54:32] » So, through you, Mr. Mayor, to uh to uh
[1:54:35] the counselor. Um so, councelor Nor, I
[1:54:38] would say we will absolutely look into
[1:54:39] that. Um, so we would have to bring
[1:54:41] forward a bylaw to to govern that in the
[1:54:45] use of municipal spaces and it would be
[1:54:46] our intention to do that in the new
[1:54:48] term.
[1:54:49] » Thank you. Cuz I know Kingston I don't
[1:54:50] think allows them anywhere technically
[1:54:52] but and the number two is um as we
[1:54:56] talked about and I see that Kylie sent
[1:54:58] out rough estimate what it to the media
[1:55:01] what's costing for a 1388 bridge. I
[1:55:04] don't expect to tell, you know, send out
[1:55:05] the media regularly, but can we put on
[1:55:07] our website possibly an update what it's
[1:55:09] costing so the taxpayers aware and maybe
[1:55:12] some photos of what's coming out of
[1:55:13] there so the public knows what's going
[1:55:15] on because
[1:55:17] maybe not the disgusting stuff, but you
[1:55:19] know what I'm trying to say is if we
[1:55:20] could just inform them more what's going
[1:55:22] on so they can be more aware of why
[1:55:24] we're doing what we're doing and what
[1:55:25] it's costing them. Just an idea.
[1:55:28] » So, sure through you, Mr. Mayor. it is
[1:55:30] our intention to put a a full release um
[1:55:33] out on the completion of phase 2 and I'm
[1:55:35] going to bring forward a full report but
[1:55:37] uh since you've asked the question I can
[1:55:38] say like um I expect that work for phase
[1:55:42] one which was about 35 trailers that we
[1:55:45] pulled out uh and phase two which would
[1:55:47] be 100 cubic tons uh so 100 basically
[1:55:51] tons of material coming out uh it's more
[1:55:54] than we thought it's a settling tanks
[1:55:55] it's propane propane tanks we found um
[1:55:58] homemade septic fields and drug
[1:56:00] paraphernalia. Um it's it's not it's not
[1:56:03] a good scene. Um so that's come out. Um
[1:56:06] phase one and phase two were were led to
[1:56:09] local contractors by competitive bid. Uh
[1:56:12] those contracts combined will be
[1:56:14] anywhere between 120 and $145,000.
[1:56:18] Um that's what I expect the bill to be.
[1:56:21] Um in that neighborhood, uh we are
[1:56:24] expecting permits for the property. Um
[1:56:28] well, we require permits for a quanet
[1:56:30] huts that that's there as well as uh a
[1:56:33] mobile trailer where the property owner
[1:56:35] was living. That's you can't have that
[1:56:37] unless you have um a permit for uh your
[1:56:40] construction single family home
[1:56:41] deadlines have been given. No permits
[1:56:43] have been received. I expect that there
[1:56:45] will be a phase three and that material
[1:56:47] has to be pulled out. Um so roughly we'd
[1:56:51] be in the neighborhood of 150 to 160.
[1:56:53] Um, a lot of that would be build back to
[1:56:56] the all of it, the work of the contract
[1:56:58] be back to the property owner as per uh
[1:57:02] the the court order. What won't be uh
[1:57:05] recouped is the loss capacity um that
[1:57:09] the town has incurred. Um so we've had
[1:57:12] uh the fire department there. We have
[1:57:15] had um we have had bylaw services there
[1:57:18] for the last two and a half weeks um
[1:57:21] providing a level of security on site.
[1:57:23] There's been individuals that have been
[1:57:24] moving in and out of what is actively a
[1:57:27] construction site. Um, bylaw's also been
[1:57:30] instrumental in pointing out things on
[1:57:32] the property that can be removed per
[1:57:34] court order and things that cannot be
[1:57:35] removed. We are permitted to take
[1:57:37] certain things off the property and not
[1:57:39] others. Um, so they've been instrumental
[1:57:41] in that. Uh, with that, members of the
[1:57:43] community have had to suffer a lower
[1:57:45] level of service uh for by law
[1:57:47] enforcement because they've been
[1:57:48] otherwise engaged. Um, so legal fees,
[1:57:53] um, we've gotten recoup a percentage of
[1:57:56] the legal fees to date, but we're not
[1:57:57] going to recoup all of those. Um, so it
[1:58:01] has been a massively significant
[1:58:03] undertaking in what was an unsafe and
[1:58:06] unsanitary situation that presented a
[1:58:09] danger and a risk to the people that
[1:58:10] were staying there. Um, and presented
[1:58:14] candidly a public health risk. um to the
[1:58:17] point we're going to have to call in the
[1:58:18] Ministry of Environment uh for some of
[1:58:21] the damage that has happened there. Um
[1:58:23] so it is not a small thing. It's been
[1:58:25] it's been expensive and the work that's
[1:58:28] happened will be recouped uh one way or
[1:58:31] another. The the court order also allows
[1:58:32] us to place uh the cost of the
[1:58:35] contractors on property taxes if the
[1:58:37] money is not forthcoming. And the law
[1:58:39] allows us to seize property if that's
[1:58:41] not paid. Um but uh we were compelled to
[1:58:45] act um cuz this was a unsafe, unsanitary
[1:58:49] and and unjust.
[1:58:52] » Thank you very much. And uh I'm sure the
[1:58:55] public will appreciate uh having an up
[1:58:57] further updates as well. Thank you.
[1:59:01] » Thanks uh councelor Nori. Is there
[1:59:03] anything else? Go ahead, man.
[1:59:06] » Sorry through your worship. I just want
[1:59:08] to go back to the escooter question
[1:59:09] because I've been getting it a lot
[1:59:11] lately as well. Um, so to clarify, if
[1:59:13] the town does not have a bylaw that says
[1:59:15] they're allowed, then they're not
[1:59:18] allowed. And the town does not currently
[1:59:20] have a bylaw. So we're in the same
[1:59:21] position as the city of Kingston
[1:59:23] currently. Um, just for clarity.
[1:59:26] » Good. I wish the people would learn
[1:59:27] that. [laughter]
[1:59:31] [clears throat and cough] And I know
[1:59:31] that uh well, and you probably know as
[1:59:33] well, Bob, the OP is is they're working
[1:59:36] on it and it's kind of frustrating them
[1:59:37] as well because of the different uh
[1:59:42] makeups of these type of things too. So,
[1:59:44] I think there's a lot of work that has
[1:59:45] to be done probably at the provincial
[1:59:46] level to try and uh
[1:59:49] sort it out. So, but thanks for bringing
[1:59:51] it up. [clears throat] Uh is there
[1:59:53] anything else as far as the inquiries
[1:59:55] go?
[1:59:56] Seeing none noticed emotions. I don't
[1:59:58] believe anybody has any noticed
[1:59:59] emotions. New business. I don't believe
[2:00:02] we have any new business. Announcements.
[2:00:04] Does anybody want to make any
[2:00:05] announcements this evening?
[2:00:09] Seeing none. Uh CEO's remarks. Mr.
[2:00:12] Grant, did you have any remarks you
[2:00:13] would like to make this evening?
[2:00:15] » Nothing for me this evening, Mr. Mayor.
[2:00:17] » Uh thank you. The forward counter. I
[2:00:18] know we've all had an opportunity to
[2:00:20] take a look at that. Is there anything
[2:00:20] in the forward code? Uh go ahead. Deputy
[2:00:22] Mayor C. Just want to verify the uh
[2:00:25] September 8th meeting for the for the
[2:00:27] forward counter is at the Roblin Hall.
[2:00:29] Is that correct?
[2:00:32] » Through your worship. Yes, that's
[2:00:33] correct. Our next meeting will not be in
[2:00:35] this building. Don't come here. Uh we'll
[2:00:37] be at Roblin. We will be live streaming
[2:00:39] the meeting the same as we did when we
[2:00:40] met at South Fred Hall.
[2:00:42] » Thank you. I I seen that in there, but I
[2:00:44] I thought when we were talking about
[2:00:46] changing, I thought we were doing the
[2:00:47] Selby Hall. That's why I was questioning
[2:00:48] that. So, thank you.
[2:00:52] [clears throat]
[2:00:52] » Thank you. Madame Clerk, and thank you,
[2:00:55] Deputy Mayor Galver. Uh, was there
[2:00:57] anything else with respect to the
[2:00:58] forward calendar?
[2:01:00] Seeing none, we'll look for a motion to
[2:01:02] uh for the bylaw to confirm the
[2:01:04] proceedings of the town of for the
[2:01:06] council of the corporation of town of
[2:01:07] Greater Napony. Moved by Deputy Mayor
[2:01:09] Calver, seconded by councelor Davyy.
[2:01:11] Read a first, second, and finally pass
[2:01:13] this 25th day of August 2026. All in
[2:01:16] favor of that motion. Oppose. Motion's
[2:01:18] carried. And motion to adjurnn. Moved by
[2:01:20] councelor Davyy, second by councelor
[2:01:22] Shank. There's no further comments,
[2:01:23] questions, concerns. All in favor of
[2:01:24] that motion? Oppose. Motion's carried.
[2:01:26] Thanks, folks.