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capital projects designed to keep the airport operational every single day. And that body of

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work allowed us to understand what the high level estimated costs were going to be

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over the next few years. We also started our full scale long-term master plan body

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of work last year and I'll talk a bit more about that at the

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end of the presentation. And just to clarify, as of today and ongoing,

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Sudbury Airport is self-funded. So we use our

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revenues to fund our capital and if we don't have the funds or we don't

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have enough money to fund the capital,

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we then borrow money to fund

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the rest. Okay. So just to talk a bit more about Sudbury

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Airport's approach to capital, there are three key categories that we like

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to use to shape our capital needs. The first one is what

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I've talked about, which is the baseline capital. This is

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all of the capital required to ensure that

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our infrastructure excuse me, our infrastructure is safe for daily operational.

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So rehabilitation of runways, of taxiways, you know, equipment replacement,

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et cetera. And these are the

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types of projects that we could apply for funding for a portion of

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it through ACAP. The middle box reflects those projects that have a strong ROI that

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will generate incremental revenue for the airport. So projects like land development, as an example.

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While we will have to invest dollars to get lands ready, we do anticipate strong

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returns on that investment. And I'll talk a bit about that later

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on. And then the last bucket, which I'm not going to talk

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about today, is an output or a byproduct of our master plan.

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And this is going to showcase what our long-term capital planning cycle could look like

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anywhere beyond 10 years up to 30 years. And this will shape

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or will reflect capacity constraints

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as we grow and will showcase what are the large

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scale capital infrastructure requirements such as terminal expansion, runway expansions, areas that require

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significant investment, but also will meet the needs of

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significant growth in the long term future.

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All right, so we're going

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to take a look at that first bucket,

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which is our baseline capital.

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Those dollars tied to our daily infrastructure.

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And this is an output of

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the work that we did last year to assess our five year capital plan.

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And overall, over the next five

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year period, we have a gross estimate of $22 million in capital requirements. And I

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say gross because this does not consider any

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potential third party funding from ACAP or any

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other body. The largest project

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within that five-year period is our secondary runway rehabilitation scheduled for late 2028 into 2029,

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which represents roughly 40% of this entire capital outlook over the next few years.

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Next to the blue columns, the blue column represents

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the capital requirement, are the orange columns

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on that chart. And that orange column represents those capital projects

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that are eligible for ACAP funding. We may not get it, but we can apply

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for ACAP funding. And we anticipate that over the next five years,

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60 to 70% of our projects will

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be eligible. We are going

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to submit applications for through the federal

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government. Of those projects that are eligible,

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if all are accepted, by ACAP, we anticipate 50 to 60% of those dollars being

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covered by a third party, by the federal government. So when I

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say gross, we don't anticipate spending 22

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million, but that is the overall encompassing amount for

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the capital plan for the next five

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years. That being said, we have employed a very strategic approach to

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our capital plan over the last three,

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three and a half years in

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that if those capital projects that are ACAP eligible do not get funded by Transport

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Canada, we assess the asset. And if we can maintain the asset in a safe

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fashion, we will defer the capital spend until we get ACAP

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dollars or until we absolutely have to reinvest those dollars.

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So that has worked for us in the last three and a half years and

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it allowed us to maintain our capital spend in a very

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reasonable level. So this slide here just showcases

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how we then allocate our capital dollars, what the categories

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are. So there's five key categories within our

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baseline capital planning. The first one being

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under airside infrastructure, as you can see,

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it's the largest component of the PIE. And this

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is all

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of the assets that are on the secure side of the airport, our runways,

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our terminals, anything that requires the operation of an aircraft post-security.

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And this is the largest component because of that secondary runway rehab

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that falls within this category. The second bucket is

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equipment. So all of our specialty

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equipment required to operate the airport,

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snow removal equipment, aircraft rescue and firefighting equipment,

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anything that is specialty to the airport that is high dollar value falls under equipment.

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Building infrastructure reflects all of the

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buildings that the airport owns. It's our job

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to ensure that those buildings are maintained and that those capital

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requirements are dealt with. Landside infrastructure is all of the assets

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that are located on the non-secure side of the airport. So our parking lots,

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our roadways, car rental parking lots, et cetera. Those will fall under

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this particular category. And lastly, passenger experience is all of

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the infrastructure to ensure that that journey for passengers is seamless.

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Last year and a half, we expanded our hold room as an example.

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That was a requirement because we were reaching

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capacity in that space, but it made the experience

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better for passengers as they flow through our airport.

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Things like accessibility and accessibility improvements through the airport would

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fall under this category. All right, this particular slide is going to

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showcase that second bucket of capital work, those capital projects

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that do have an ROI or a

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business case tied to it. This is a project that is

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currently underway. I think I have shared this

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in other discussions, but this is our Parcel P6 land development

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project. And Parcel P6 is going to unlock roughly 30 acres of land for

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development that will allow us to attract new tenants, new companies to work out of

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our airport and lease lands that will generate more revenues for the airport so that

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we can find these capital, additional capital projects. I'm referring

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to the areas in the red boxes for the sake of

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this conversation. And so this project is going to include an extension

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of the taxiway, new taxi lines, it's going to include

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new roadways, services to the parcels of land, and we anticipate this

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costing anywhere from $7 to $8 million. We are working closely

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with FedNor and NOHFC for third

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party funding and that body of work is currently underway. This will,

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like I said, generate incremental revenues for the airport,

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but will drive more jobs. We'll bring in

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new companies into Sudbury. We do have our at least

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12,000 square metres of that parcel of land committed to a partner that is going

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to generate more business for the aviation

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community and the region at large.

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Okay. So, I'm going to take

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the last couple of minutes of the presentation to talk about our

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master planning cycle. So, last year we started

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this body of work. We felt it was important to have a

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good outlook or a clear outlook on what the long-term capital requirements are going to

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look like for numerous reasons, one of which is how

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are we going to fund this long term should the event

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come up or should the needs generate. It's going to act as a blueprint for

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the airport, for us as the management team, and guide us

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on how our capital plans will look like, like I said, in that long term

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period. It is going to include various

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things like passenger and airline demand. It's going to allow us

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to optimize operations and understand capacity constraints and how to address

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those capacity constraints as we grow. It's going

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to help us invest responsibly in these projects and also allow us to

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get ahead of regulatory requirements and community needs as we build

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this out. So our master plan is going to

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encompass several different factors and

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aspects of the plan. We are going to look at long-term demand

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forecasts. And that's going to be critical

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for us because that will indicate or showcase where our capacity constraints really are.

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Is it a check in? Is it in parking? Is our terminal too small to

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accommodate the long term growth again beyond ten years

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up to 30 years? It's also going to identify those

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critical infrastructure development projects. Do we need to extend our

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runway? Do we need to extend our taxiway? Do we need to build brand new

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buildings to support this growth? It'll identify for us those

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large-scale capital bodies of work. Not only that, it's also going to help us understand

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the dollars required, but also get us ready for third-party grants,

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right? Who's going to help us fund this? Federal government, you know,

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there are different avenues that have been launched

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that could help feed into this

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over the next 30 years. And lastly, a piece that

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we feel is incredibly important is the economic impact study that's

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going to come out of this master plan. The Sudbury

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Airport has a large impact on the region and

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we want to identify and quantify what that looks like.

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That's going to help us support those longer term funding applications

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moving forward. So this priority of work is intended to be completed by late this

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year, early next with the goal to have it

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presented back to our board and council next year. All right.

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Thank you. Any questions? Thank you so much. I'll open

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up the floor to questions or comments.

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Who wants to lead off? Sorry,

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Councillor Fortin, followed by Councillor McIntosh.

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And I see Councillor Leduc has

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his hand up

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as well. Okay, go ahead. Thank you. And through you, Chair, when you spoke about

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the ACAP loans, and you said it went from 36 to 50, was it an

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increase of 50 or a total of

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50 now? It's a total of just over

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50. It's roughly 52 million. May I second that?

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Please go ahead, yeah. Thank you. When you were talking about what's available for

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these grants and you're talking about like behind

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security upgrades from NAV Canada. Would that be something that we have to fund through

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Sudbury Airport or is that covered by the federal government?

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So it depends on what it is that needs to be upgraded.

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So typically NAV Canada, CATSA, all of the government

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agencies will fund their own infrastructure and upgrade

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those infrastructure pieces. However, if there are

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elements that need to change from our physical

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infrastructure terminal facility, we are responsible. So I'll give

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you an example. So the

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larger airports have CATS A+, the longer,

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larger screening systems. We have an older version. So as they look to upgrade

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across all airports, they will fund the system, the installation,

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but if we have to get the

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physical facility ready for that piece, we have to fund that.

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Thank you. One more follow-up. One final question.

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When you talk about the runways rehabilitation,

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what are we looking at? Is it just like a shaven pave?

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Or are we talking about more structural than that?

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Well, so there's various options that we

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can look at. On an interim basis until we have

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to get to the point where we have to spend that

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12 and a half million, we are shaving and patching, which falls within the engineered

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drawing package and keeps the airport safe and operational. Long term, when we get to

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the end state, we'll have to do a full shave

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and repaving of the terminal, which is why it's so costly.

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And that also includes having to address

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the lighting system at that point, right? There's different pieces within the

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runway that are affected when you're doing a full rehab, which is why it's so

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costly. Thank you. Councillor McIntosh, followed by Councillor Leduc. Go ahead.

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I don't have a question, so perhaps

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Councillor Leduc might like to go first and

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then-- Thank you. I have a comment, thank you. Okay, Councillor Leduc, please go ahead.

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Thank you very much for the presentation. One of the questions that

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I have to ask is that, and I've

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had the opportunity to be in several of the Northern

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Ontario airports, and I've noticed that,

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for an example, the Thunder Bay Airport, which seems to

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be a much larger airport and a much more thriving airport. And I'm

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just trying to understand the difference between our Sudbury airport where we're known

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as the the hub of the north and we have all

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these mining companies in Sudbury. So I'm just trying

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to understand the difference between the Thunder

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Bay airport and our Sudbury airport, if you

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could explain that. Sure. Thank you. Just go ahead, Mr. Early. Thank you. The biggest

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difference is proximity to the hubs. So the way regional airports

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work is they feed large airports. So in

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Ontario, our hub airport is Toronto Pearson, followed by

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Ottawa, we'll say. The destination or the distance, excuse me, from those hub airports will

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indicate where these airlines truly invest their growth strategies. Thunder Bay is an 18 hour

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drive from Toronto. The demand for traffic is incredibly significant and it's not just Thunder

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Bay, it's the entire region. Sudbury airport, we're only three and a half hours from

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Toronto Pearson, and we

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have a highway that has become quite drivable. So we always say the highway is

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our biggest competition. Having said that though, I will say that the routes that

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have come to Sudbury over the

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last 12 to 18 months are routes that have entered

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our market because these airlines are starting to see that The

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community is using the service, right? If we're not using the

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service, the airlines will not invest their

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dollars here. But they're starting to do that. We're starting

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to see expanded service here in Sudbury. Thunder Bay being as far as it is,

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they're always going to need that level of service, if not more. Thank you.

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We have a follow-up, Councillor Leduc. I have two other questions. You were, and you

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chair, you were talking, Regarding when, when Councillor Forte had

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asked about whether it would be a shave and

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pave and you said that the runway was going to be a very costly expense.

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eco pay, which is located out in, in Western Canada,

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that specializes actually in, in runways.

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So have you considered When looking

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at doing the runway here in Sudbury, have you

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considered that type of technology moving

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forward? Future. Thank you, Ms. Ralli. So we are at the stage where

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we just completed the assessment and the engineer drawing package.

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companies because we are not planning this until 2028-2029. When the time comes

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though, we will absolutely explore all technologies, all avenues

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available to ensure that we look

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at the most cost effective way of doing this for the

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airport. Thank you. One last one. Yes, one last one.

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So with the latest announcement from Porter Airlines

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pulling out of Sudbury as of May 1st,

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can you explain to us, to the public more as

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to why Porter has decided to pull out a Sudbury because there's a lot of,

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I guess, misinformation out there as to potentially that

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at one time they were renting

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a hangar, Sudbury Airport, pulled that hanger away, gave it

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to Orange. Orange is now

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in Ottawa, apparently. And Porter has kind of lost interest

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in Sudbury. So could you go into a little further detail for the public through

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you? Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Verling. Can you maybe provide some clarity on what's

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going on? Absolutely. So just first and foremost, Porter is not leaving Sudbury.

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Yes. So Porter is changing their route from Sudbury to

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Billy Bishop to Sudbury direct to Ottawa starting in May. So they are not leaving

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Sudbury. They have no interest in leaving Sudbury. They are committed to

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our community. The reason they have made that change is

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because, again, if any, like any business,

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if people aren't using the service and it's not viable or sustainable or financially,

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if they're not making money off that route, they have to look at alternate options.

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For them, moving to Ottawa was the most logical Next Step.

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In addition to that, Porter,

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we did, we did not kick Porter out

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of any hanger. Porter has invested significant money in Ottawa making Ottawa their hub airport.

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So they have a massive maintenance facility there. They have

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expanded routes and their goal, like most airlines,

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is to feed their hub airport.

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That includes the service from Sudbury. So they're taking that

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service from Sudbury and feeding their hub airport in Ottawa.

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And what that does for the community is it actually gives people more choice to

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connect onwards if you don't want to fly through Toronto Pearson.

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That is actually a win for our community because we're diversifying choice for the

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community, for the passengers, anyone who wants to fly

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through our airport. So while off the bat it might

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be viewed that we're losing Billy Bishop, we're actually

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gaining another hub airport that has even greater route selection and connection

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selection for our community base here in

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Sidney. Thank you. All right, we have Councillor Singer

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ready for our next questions, comments? Yes,

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just one

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question and one comment. So on your slide, slide 11,

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you were talking about the revenue growth for the parcel P6 land.

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Can you, it's showing that And I know

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there's a return on investment. I know it's hard to read

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the small print, but I know you're investing

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7.5 million. What does that look like for return on investment?

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Can you just elaborate, if you don't mind,

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Mr. Chair? Thank you. So I'll get you the numbers, Councillor Sinuocchi, it is

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a positive ROI or else you would not have moved forward on this. I just

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don't have those numbers directly in front of me, but Happy to

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get them if you're interested to know that. Thank you.

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Thank you. And just one comment, Mr. Mayor. It's exciting

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times for the airport. Look at the innovation,

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the money that, yes, you have to spend

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money to make money. So I guess from my perspective, I'm looking forward to seeing

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what that, how that unfolds and how that will

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showcase even Surrey even more and the projected parcels of land that you've identified

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that are going to be fully leased and potentials for future development.

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So I'm excited for that and look forward to

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anything we can do as a council to

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assist with anything. So thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you

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so much. I have Council Laundrie Allman. Let's go ahead. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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Thank you for the presentation. I agree, it certainly is exciting, but my questions are

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this. It's about service that exists presently with Air

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Canada. Are we looking at an increase? And also with the Ottawa route,

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I thought there was a smaller airline that was also

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going to start the service between Sudbury and Ottawa.

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Could you clarify, please? Sure. Thank you. Thank you. Go ahead.

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So I'll answer your first question about Air Canada.

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So Air Canada, as of February 1st, has gone from two flights daily

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with a third flight three days a week to three flights

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daily seven days a week. So we've seen that increase as,

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yep. And so you've got more span of

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selection throughout the day now. So we're very excited about

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that. That's again started February 1st. Yes, to answer your question,

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we have a small airline, Propair, that in November launched

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direct to Ottawa, onwards to Montreal,

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and in Montreal you could connect onwards to Quebec City. They are going

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to continue that route. They feel very confident. It is a different customer base

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for Propair than it is for Porter. Propair, it is someone who wants to go

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in and out of those destinations either

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for a day

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or that is their end destination.

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It's typically your business traveller or those individuals that want to do a quick jaunt

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over to those cities. With Porter, their largest target market is going to be the

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connecting customer base. Having said that, when you work with small regional

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airlines like Propair, they are much more nimble than a larger

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carrier. So they can adapt and shift their service to meet the needs of the

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community. I'm not going to go into too much details because it's not finalised

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yet, but they are going to work to help

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us fill some of the gaps that we have recently talked about in terms

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of service. Perfect. Wonderful. Thank you. Okay.

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And may I have, may I ask another question?

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Please, for sure. Thank you. The age-old question. Of customs and

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holiday travel out of Sudbury. Do we have any kind of update, please? Thank you.

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Thank you. Yes. So we don't have customs and it's not in

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the near term. And there's a few reasons for that. Number one,

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we don't have the airlines who are interested in launching international service

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just yet. It doesn't mean it's not going to

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happen, but we don't have the service here in Sudbury.

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In addition to that, with the constraints of federal government and Transport Canada and these

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agencies, those cost burdens get pushed down to the airport to launch a

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customs. Doesn't mean that we wouldn't do it if the business case didn't

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make sense, if we didn't have the demand for it.

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We just don't have the airlines who are going to be

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launching an international flight at this

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moment in time. Thank you. Seeing no other questions,

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I have a comment or certainly a motion by Councillor McIntosh, please go ahead.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor, and thank you so much for this presentation. It's exactly what

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I was looking for when I requested that the airport board come and make a

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presentation to us. Last month we discussed and approved an airport debt strategy,

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and we're entering into an agreement with the airport to be

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able to loan the money from the municipality to do this capital

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work. And at the time I couldn't articulate what

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exactly I was looking for. I'm ready

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now and I have a motion to present this evening. It will be

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seconded by Councillor Perron who's on the airport board that will address,

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will ask, it's basically asking that a presentation, this kind of detail

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of the debt and the capital

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plan, the five year capital plan going forward and how,

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what the debt what the debt with the city

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is sitting at on an annual basis when they come to us for the AGM.

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So we'll get that kind of a presentation, this kind

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of a presentation along with the other stuff. I think

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that was like an AGM presentation actually. So thank you. So I just want

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to put, I'd like to see us have it in the agreement

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that it'll be a part of the AGM, that the five-year capital plan and what

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the current state of the debt is and what the debt would be coming so

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that no one can say 10, 15 years from

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now, I didn't know what

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was happening at the airport. So I think that that's,

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so I have a motion that they can put up and I hope you can

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support this. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Clerk,

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do you wish to, I know this has been circulated, Do you wish to have

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it read? No, just the operative clause would be plenty.

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I think it's kind of legalistic, the whereases, but the operative piece

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would be plenty, thank you. All right, therefore, Mr. Clerk. Thank you,

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Mr. Mayor. So I understand that motion to be seconded by Councillor

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Pera. That's right. The operative clause reads,

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therefore be it resolved that the City of Greater Sudbury directs that the SACDC shall

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provide to council city of Greater

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Sudbury at its annual General meeting of the shareholder of the SACDC,

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particulars of the total amounts outstanding, repayment amounts of the loans and a five-year capital

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forecast with amounts intended to be financed through the long-term facility. Okay, so we have

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a motion on the floor. Any questions or comments?

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I got Councillor Pera. Please go ahead. Thank you, three, Mr. Mayor. Just to support

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my colleague, Councillor McIntosh, as Councillor Laduke suggested, there are members in our community

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that thrive on spreading misinformation and this is an

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opportunity that annually we can receive all of the facts of what are the plans

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for the airport, the amount of the cost and I think for members of council

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be well informed so that they can ensure that, you know,

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the appropriate information is circulating through our community. So thank

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you, Councillor McIntosh, for preparing this resolution. Thank you. Any further questions or comments with

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respect to the motion? Seeing none, I will call the

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vote all in favor. That is carried. Thank you.

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Thank you Mr. Reilly for the presentation. We'll see you soon. Thanks everyone. All right

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next up on the agenda we have a consent agenda it'll be moved by Councillor

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Cormier seconded by Councillor Benoit.

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Thank you Mr. Mayor that the City of Greater

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Sudbury approves consent agenda item 7.1.1 to 7.2.5. All in favour that is carried thank

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you. Next up presentation we have Ms. Babin Fenske

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will come up and present to us

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our climate action annual

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report for

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2024. Good to see you again. Welcome. Thank you.

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Great. I believe I have some slides.

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Okay. So while this This comes up. Thank you very much for having me.

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I'm going to see if this works. Should I be pointing here? Oh,

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right, it's down. It's written right

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there in front of me. Thank you. So I do like to start these presentations

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with a reminder that we, while we use the terms climate change mitigation and

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adaptation, I recognise that some people prefer the terms efficiency and resilience.

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Our climate change mitigation plan

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is our SEAP. Our Community Energy and Emissions Plan, and it's about being efficient,

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reducing our fossil fuel usage, reducing our costs for energy use. Our Community

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Climate Change Adaptation Plan, or CCAP, is about being resilient,

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so trying to prepare for weather and natural

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events like wildland fire, flooding, heat waves,

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and events like that, and trying to save on costs, save on health care,

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on repairs, and costs on repairs, if we're better

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prepared and suffer less damage. So this slide is a pie chart of the entire

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community greenhouse gas emissions with one piece of the pie to show

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the city's municipal emissions in comparison, which is quite small. It's 2%.

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The annual report provides updates for both the city's corporate initiatives as well

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as from the community because our action plans

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are community plans for

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everyone within Greater Sudbury to become more efficient and more resilient.

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The City of Greater Sudbury is only one

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organisation within our community and we continue to

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show leadership alongside others such as post-secondary

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and medical institutions, mining and supply companies, small businesses, school boards, nonprofit organisations, and the

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residents themselves. Each year we

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hope to include a wide range of projects to showcase many of our divisions

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and community groups. So for this annual report staff,

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the city, we don't receive the energy data,

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the utilities data such as Enbridge, GSU and Hydro One. We don't access

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that data until June or July.

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Once it's been reviewed and passed on to our division, it's usually the fall.

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So there is a bit of delay, especially this so

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we are looking at 2024

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accomplishments. So the city accomplishments

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for 2024 are quite diverse and it's exciting to show how

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much we've invested into climate action.

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Transit services, for example, installed solar panel bus shelters. They initiated

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the seniors ride free program. Parks and recreation purchased our first electric Zamboni with the

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savings they're saving they're already moving towards

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purchasing more. Parks and recreation also reduce the

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total carbon footprint of certain playground structures by using

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sustainably sourced engineered wood fibre and recycled rubber or foam in

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the construction. This is an example of not just

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replacing like for like, but looking for innovation, upgrades, and also using

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that climate lens. So the

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investments for climate change adaptation have also been quite significant and they have

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been for many decades, mainly through our water and wastewater services, which managing our infrastructure

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to be better prepared for larger flows during intense

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storms. Each year we also increase our active transportation

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infrastructure for walking, cycling and transit use and continue to

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expand the Paris Notre Dame Bikeway. The Spark Street affordable housing project is

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01:31:49,410 --> 01:31:53,390
another example. It's shown more energy savings than expected and we encourage and recommend

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01:31:53,890 --> 01:31:57,630
future projects to be even more energy efficient for new builds.

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01:31:58,130 --> 01:32:01,310
Especially for our affordable housing efforts in the future since a

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01:32:01,810 --> 01:32:05,990
home or apartment that's not energy efficient and costs

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01:32:06,150 --> 01:32:09,870
too much to heat or floods

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01:32:10,370 --> 01:32:13,830
each year is no longer as affordable. So in general,

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01:32:14,490 --> 01:32:18,010
energy efficient and climate resilient homes have been shown to

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01:32:18,510 --> 01:32:21,610
be healthier, safer and more affordable living conditions. So we'll continue to combine

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01:32:22,250 --> 01:32:26,410
our climate action with affordable housing initiatives. Another example of our efforts for

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01:32:26,910 --> 01:32:32,330
climate change adaptation is the hot weather response plan. In the report

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01:32:32,490 --> 01:32:36,050
we mentioned in 2024, we had two

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01:32:36,550 --> 01:32:40,090
events where we had to enact the response plan

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01:32:40,590 --> 01:32:43,330
and issued two heat warnings where our emergency management work hard to prepare residents through

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01:32:43,830 --> 01:32:47,130
education and outreach, prepare local agencies as part of the response, and internally we also

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01:32:47,630 --> 01:32:53,330
have our library staff participating as our hours may be

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01:32:53,830 --> 01:32:57,810
extended since our branches are cooling centres and our lifeguards have extended hours

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01:32:58,310 --> 01:33:02,010
as well to provide safe water access to the beaches during these heat waves.

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01:33:02,510 --> 01:33:05,650
On the community side, and again because our action plan

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01:33:06,150 --> 01:33:10,130
is both community and municipal, action. We have many residents

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01:33:10,630 --> 01:33:14,010
and organisations taking action as well. More residents

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01:33:14,510 --> 01:33:17,650
are taking the bus and transit ridership reached over 6 million in 2024.

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01:33:18,150 --> 01:33:22,010
More residents are growing their own food. We have over 30 community

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01:33:22,510 --> 01:33:26,090
gardens. And we had a lot of youth leadership in this year's

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01:33:26,590 --> 01:33:31,290
annual report with schools

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and universities that were highlighted, including Laurentian University's nature positive team, Conseil Scolaire Catholique Nouvelon,

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01:33:36,650 --> 01:33:40,510
and several individual schools that are mentioned. The community

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01:33:40,910 --> 01:33:44,550
has also been involved with waste reduction campaigns and biodiversity monitoring.

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01:33:45,050 --> 01:33:48,510
37 residents have received inflow and infiltration rebates from

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01:33:49,070 --> 01:33:52,830
the city, which help reduce flooding and

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01:33:53,330 --> 01:33:57,270
basement backups. And we have over

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01:33:57,770 --> 01:34:01,310
1,500 electric vehicles registered in the community.

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01:34:01,540 --> 01:34:05,460
So our community groups are very active. I encourage

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01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:09,340
everyone to reach out to find a

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01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:13,540
volunteer group that matches their interests because Greater Sudbury has

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01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:17,220
diverse and very

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01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:21,060
active non-profit organisations that are focused on

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01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:24,740
environment, sustainability and climate action.

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01:34:25,620 --> 01:34:29,660
Now despite all these accomplishments, there's a lot of investment in time, money and

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01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:35,413
behavioral changes Both the corporate and community greenhouse gas

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01:34:35,913 --> 01:34:38,920
emissions are not reducing fast enough to reach our targets. And I

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01:34:39,420 --> 01:34:41,640
want to be very clear that this is not because we're sitting back. Our efforts

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01:34:42,140 --> 01:34:45,800
are important and they do make a difference. We're taking action and climate

512
01:34:46,519 --> 01:34:48,890
change and sustainability are becoming integrated into our lives. And this is an important step

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01:34:49,390 --> 01:34:52,440
at the beginning of this climate action journey that we're taking.

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01:34:52,940 --> 01:34:55,560
And be assured that most municipalities across Canada are having the same issue.

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01:34:56,450 --> 01:34:59,970
So now that we're taking climate change more seriously each

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01:35:00,470 --> 01:35:04,290
year with these annual reports and showcasing what's happening in the municipality and community,

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01:35:05,010 --> 01:35:08,450
we're looking at what's missing and what can

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01:35:08,930 --> 01:35:12,409
we do next. So one contributing factor, which is

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01:35:12,909 --> 01:35:16,610
a positive thing, is that our population has been growing. When the SEAP

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01:35:16,930 --> 01:35:21,330
was developed in 2019, the population of Greater

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01:35:21,830 --> 01:35:25,820
Sudbury was 160,000. And was expected

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01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:29,420
to reach 184,000 in 2050.

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With an unexpected population increase, especially since the

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01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:38,259
COVID-19 pandemic, Greater Sudbury population has already

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01:35:38,759 --> 01:35:42,940
exceeded that, and that impacts our trajectory towards our

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01:35:43,440 --> 01:35:46,580
targets. This means we'll have more houses, we'll have more vehicles on the road,

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01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:48,670
we'll have more energy used overall. Internally, our own water wastewater services, for example,

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01:35:48,900 --> 01:35:52,380
Although they're working to upgrade the equipment,

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01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:56,340
make it more efficient, they now need more

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01:35:56,840 --> 01:36:00,940
and stronger equipment to accommodate the larger population.

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This doesn't mean we give up and we want to continue to make

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01:36:05,519 --> 01:36:09,260
sure that everything becomes more efficient moving forward, even more so,

533
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:11,900
knowing that we have new builds that have to happen, making sure everything moving forward

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01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:15,860
is that much more efficient. So looking at that first

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01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:20,120
graph, graph, the first one on

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01:36:20,620 --> 01:36:24,800
the left is corporate emissions. So we explain it in the report.

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01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:29,360
The lower, so community waste, primarily landfill waste,

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01:36:29,860 --> 01:36:33,720
produces significantly more emissions than corporate activities. And it can overshadow

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01:36:34,220 --> 01:36:38,120
the trends. So on this graph, that's why

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we thought it was important to separate the two of them and to show the

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importance of implementing the sustainable waste strategy

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01:36:46,100 --> 01:36:49,960
to explore solid waste reduction, diversion, and compost

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01:36:50,460 --> 01:36:54,680
initiatives. The smaller trend line, which is on the bottom, those are

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01:36:55,180 --> 01:36:58,640
the greenhouse gas emissions for our buildings and vehicles. So the

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01:36:59,140 --> 01:37:02,480
key actions for reducing those emissions are upgrading, retrofitting,

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01:37:02,980 --> 01:37:06,080
and recommissioning our existing buildings, making sure

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01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:10,120
our future buildings are energy efficient net

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01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:13,560
zero, near net zero passive, and reducing our liquid fuel as well.

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01:37:13,880 --> 01:37:18,560
So in this annual report, we mentioned how

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01:37:19,060 --> 01:37:25,640
staff could incorporate the Conservation and

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01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:28,880
Demand Management Plan into the Asset Management Plan.

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01:37:29,380 --> 01:37:32,960
This will include a dedicated section on

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01:37:33,460 --> 01:37:37,630
building retrofits, recommissioning, and tying it into the greenhouse

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01:37:38,130 --> 01:37:41,790
gas emissions. This integration would support the prioritization of the upgrades, enhance energy efficient planning,

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01:37:42,290 --> 01:37:45,000
and strengthen future funding applications.

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01:37:45,091 --> 01:37:49,030
The city does receive funding for some of our

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01:37:49,429 --> 01:37:53,110
climate action, and we really hope to prioritize

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01:37:53,510 --> 01:37:56,670
and capitalize on future funding opportunities. On the

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01:37:57,170 --> 01:38:01,680
community side, the graph on the right, One of the

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01:38:02,180 --> 01:38:05,560
new

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01:38:06,060 --> 01:38:09,880
programs, and again, we're looking at the different

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01:38:10,380 --> 01:38:13,080
aspects of the greenhouse gas, where the greenhouse gases are coming from, the sources of

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01:38:13,580 --> 01:38:16,920
them. One of the new programs is our

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01:38:17,420 --> 01:38:20,880
home energy retrofit program. It was actually just launched today, CHIRP, Community Home Improvement and

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01:38:21,380 --> 01:38:24,640
Resilience Program. And this is to help homeowners navigate the sometimes complicated

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01:38:25,140 --> 01:38:28,240
process of retrofitting their homes. So, in summary,

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01:38:28,740 --> 01:38:34,120
we have some amazing accomplishments from 2024. There are three

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01:38:34,620 --> 01:38:37,960
key next steps, although everyone continues to take action. As you've seen,

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01:38:38,460 --> 01:38:42,280
many of our divisions have many innovative actions,

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01:38:42,780 --> 01:38:46,960
and you can see them in the report in the

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01:38:47,460 --> 01:38:50,640
last action plan, the last few pages of the

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01:38:51,140 --> 01:38:54,850
action plan. So we can particularly focus, however, on implementing the sustainable waste strategy,

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01:38:55,410 --> 01:38:59,010
encouraging home retrofitting through the Chirp program, and prioritizing corporate building energy reduction.

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01:38:59,250 --> 01:39:02,770
I'm now working on the 2025

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01:39:03,270 --> 01:39:06,330
report, and again, we won't have the full data for another few months, but I've

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01:39:06,830 --> 01:39:10,850
been hearing from the divisions with their recent and upcoming

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01:39:11,350 --> 01:39:14,610
work. I'm very excited to learn more from the

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01:39:15,110 --> 01:39:19,500
divisions and community groups and

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01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:23,660
look forward to sharing these initiatives to the community and to city council in

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01:39:23,740 --> 01:39:26,940
the future. Thank you very much. Thank you for the presentation

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and I'll open the floor to comments and questions

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01:39:32,440 --> 01:39:36,300
from the presentation. Council McIntosh. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I have

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01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:40,460
a couple of questions. Please. Thank you very much for the presentation.

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01:39:40,940 --> 01:39:45,350
Could we put screen number We

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01:39:45,430 --> 01:39:48,630
have six back up on the screen.

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01:39:48,870 --> 01:39:52,630
Slide number six, please. Thank you. When I was reading the report,

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the one that struck me, and I guess this is the first time

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01:39:56,690 --> 01:40:01,110
we've reported the emissions from our

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01:40:01,610 --> 01:40:10,280
landfill sites as a separate or

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01:40:10,780 --> 01:40:14,120
as part of this presentation, that the fact

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that there were more greenhouse gas emissions

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coming from our, we have three landfills and also I think one

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01:40:23,060 --> 01:40:26,640
that's been shuttered that is still emitting.

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And it's so much more than both the heating

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01:40:30,700 --> 01:40:34,320
of our municipal buildings and the equipment and vehicles that were using. And then

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01:40:34,820 --> 01:40:38,440
this is a big player in our emissions. So my first question is, how did

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01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:42,160
we determine that number? How do we determine from

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01:40:42,660 --> 01:40:46,280
our landfill sites, how do we arrive at a number

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01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:51,200
that obviously jumps out at

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01:40:51,700 --> 01:40:55,080
us that we didn't know before? Well,

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01:40:55,580 --> 01:40:57,720
maybe we thought,

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01:41:01,490 --> 01:41:05,890
we knew, but we didn't have

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01:41:06,050 --> 01:41:09,530
this in our presentation previously. How do we know what we're emitting out

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01:41:10,030 --> 01:41:13,250
of our landfill sites? Thank you. Thank you. Good question. Go ahead.

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Through you, Mr. Mayor. I normally don't speak on

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01:41:17,950 --> 01:41:21,490
behalf of other departments and divisions, however,

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01:41:21,990 --> 01:41:25,440
I do know that Renee Brownlee, Director of Environmental, oh my goodness. Services.

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01:41:25,940 --> 01:41:29,460
She's out on family vacation this week. So we did talk

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01:41:29,960 --> 01:41:33,940
about some potential questions that

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might come up and some of these, I can

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01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:42,031
touch on this a bit. So I guess, okay, so the first question is how

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did we determine it? So there's a number of ways that

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01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:50,300
they're looking at the solid waste. So waste in general,

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01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:54,280
that whole graph is olive waste and within

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01:41:55,080 --> 01:41:58,700
all of waste which includes wastewater, compost and our landfill,

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01:41:59,200 --> 01:42:01,160
the solid waste itself,

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01:42:02,200 --> 01:42:05,760
the landfill waste is 57,000. So we know when

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01:42:06,260 --> 01:42:09,880
we looked at in past years, we looked at

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just the buildings and the buildings and the vehicles and now we're adding

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01:42:14,740 --> 01:42:19,240
this because we now have staff who are focused that are

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focusing on this report and looking at our emissions and looking

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01:42:26,180 --> 01:42:29,240
at what other communities are doing to report their emissions. And across Canada, actually globally,

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01:42:29,740 --> 01:42:33,760
they are now including waste. Because even though waste is from all our 180,000 people

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01:42:34,260 --> 01:42:37,960
in all our residents, it's a city that actually operates it. And it's a city

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01:42:38,460 --> 01:42:43,000
that has some control over policies and how it's

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01:42:43,150 --> 01:42:47,110
managed. So in the past we didn't

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01:42:47,610 --> 01:42:50,590
include waste and now we do. So that would have been hidden in the community

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01:42:51,090 --> 01:42:55,510
waste in the past and now we're trying to say, okay, this is something that

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we have some control over. It is usually included in municipal greenhouse

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01:43:00,450 --> 01:43:05,030
gas emissions. And I'm not sure if I answered the

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01:43:05,530 --> 01:43:08,630
other part of your question. The other part of your question? Go ahead. I think

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01:43:09,130 --> 01:43:13,130
that was That answers my question, thank you. My second question

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01:43:13,630 --> 01:43:17,210
through you, Mr. Mayor, to Ms. Bavinthensky. We are also

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01:43:17,710 --> 01:43:21,370
collecting, at one of our three active landfill

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01:43:21,870 --> 01:43:25,530
sites, we are collecting methane gas and

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01:43:26,030 --> 01:43:29,650
we are converting it into electricity. And often

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01:43:30,150 --> 01:43:33,450
people say, well, that's a good thing, right? We're creating electricity. So can you tell

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01:43:33,950 --> 01:43:37,660
me, is all the methane that we're collecting Are

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01:43:37,900 --> 01:43:42,260
we getting all the methane coming out of

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01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:46,300
the landfill? I mean, you may not be able to answer this because you're

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01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:50,220
not the landfill person, but is all the methane,

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01:43:50,720 --> 01:43:54,440
are we collecting all the methane from our main

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01:43:54,940 --> 01:43:57,260
landfill? And is it all being converted into electricity? Okay. So, yes, again, I think

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01:43:57,760 --> 01:44:00,616
some of that, some of the details Renee would be happy to answer in the

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01:44:01,116 --> 01:44:03,430
future, but I do know that it is not feasible. To collect all the methane.

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01:44:03,510 --> 01:44:06,310
So if you imagine a mound of our landfill, we have our piping system,

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01:44:06,790 --> 01:44:10,550
and I'm very much simplifying this, we have our piping

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01:44:11,050 --> 01:44:15,310
system that's collecting gas. It cannot collect all the gas.

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01:44:15,810 --> 01:44:18,990
So there is still methane being released from our landfill.

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01:44:19,490 --> 01:44:21,990
The methane that we do collect, only a portion of that is going to electricity,

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01:44:22,070 --> 01:44:25,670
which, like you said, that's great. The other portion is actually being

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01:44:25,830 --> 01:44:28,880
converted to CO2 and water vapor. So we are converting

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01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:33,680
whatever we are collecting, we are converting it

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01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:37,240
to either electricity or CO2. The issue with methane is that it's dozens of times

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01:44:37,740 --> 01:44:41,600
worse as a greenhouse gas than CO2. So when

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01:44:42,100 --> 01:44:46,120
you look at greenhouse gas emissions, sorry, I might

657
01:44:46,620 --> 01:44:50,720
geek out on details here, when you look at

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01:44:51,220 --> 01:44:52,650
CO2 greenhouse gas emissions, they often say, it's CO2 equivalent because they convert it into

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01:44:52,810 --> 01:44:56,930
what would CO2, what would CO2 do? So in compost,

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01:44:57,430 --> 01:45:01,130
it's, you have food, let's say food waste,

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01:45:01,690 --> 01:45:05,410
it's decomposing. In our landfill, our compost has windrows and we

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01:45:05,910 --> 01:45:08,970
rotate it and that's aerating

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01:45:09,470 --> 01:45:13,010
it. So as that food decomposes, it's going

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through aerobic decomposition and one of the results of that is CO2.

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01:45:17,780 --> 01:45:22,540
CO2. When that food is in a landfill,

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01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:24,873
it gets covered, it gets smothered, it no longer has oxygen. So as it decomposes,

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01:45:25,373 --> 01:45:28,980
it's anaerobic decomposition. And the result of that

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01:45:29,480 --> 01:45:33,180
is methane. And again, methane, if we had one kilogram of methane, it's equivalent,

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and I don't have the

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01:45:37,460 --> 01:45:41,260
numbers, so don't quote me on these numbers, it's dozens of times worse

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01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:46,190
than one kilogram of CO2. So that's why

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01:45:46,690 --> 01:45:49,070
when we can just prevent that type of waste going into the landfill, we're preventing

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01:45:49,570 --> 01:45:53,030
methane from being released and created to begin with. So we

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01:45:53,530 --> 01:45:57,070
want to try to remove that option. We want to prevent that type of material

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01:45:57,570 --> 01:46:01,430
going to the landfill to begin with because that methane is

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01:46:01,930 --> 01:46:05,910
worse than the CO2. And even though

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01:46:06,410 --> 01:46:10,540
we have this great process of

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01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:14,580
turning it into electricity, it's just not feasible to

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01:46:15,080 --> 01:46:18,960
collect it all. That was well explained, thank you. Thank you. And it's only

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01:46:19,460 --> 01:46:23,340
one of our landfill sites, so all the other landfill

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01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:26,780
sites are just methane right straight up.

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01:46:27,280 --> 01:46:30,540
And can you confirm for me

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01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:34,540
through you, Mr. Mayor, that in your calculation for that graph that's

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01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:37,910
disappeared again, in that you subtracted the greenhouse gases that are being converted, the tonnage

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01:46:37,990 --> 01:46:41,790
that's being converted to electricity in the math to still get

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01:46:42,290 --> 01:46:46,310
that graph? Yes, yes. So that graph is,

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01:46:46,810 --> 01:46:50,150
imagine if we had, I talk with my hands, I apologise.

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01:46:50,650 --> 01:46:53,990
If we didn't have the electricity taking, the methane

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01:46:54,790 --> 01:46:59,030
being taken out of there, that graph would be higher.

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01:46:59,530 --> 01:47:03,350
So yes, we have removed the gas that's being turned

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01:47:03,850 --> 01:47:07,750
into electricity from there. Okay, thank you. So my last question,

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01:47:08,250 --> 01:47:11,710
and perhaps it's obvious, so if we green cart our wet garbage and we

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01:47:12,210 --> 01:47:16,630
put it in those windrows and we separate our garbage and create

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01:47:17,190 --> 01:47:20,750
the compost as we're doing at the landfills,

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01:47:21,250 --> 01:47:25,710
we will have far less greenhouse gases

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01:47:26,210 --> 01:47:29,760
going up. Into the stratosphere. And so what can we

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01:47:30,260 --> 01:47:35,400
do then to move in

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01:47:35,900 --> 01:47:40,680
that direction, to keep the wet

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01:47:42,760 --> 01:47:47,520
garbage, the organic garbage, out of the

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01:47:48,020 --> 01:47:50,880
landfill? So this is where we now have our sustainable waste strategy. And I would

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01:47:51,380 --> 01:47:55,010
refer to Renee Brownlee for a lot. There are many recommendations

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01:47:55,250 --> 01:47:58,330
in the Sustainable Wastewater Strategy. There's policies, programs,

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01:47:58,830 --> 01:48:05,130
initiatives. So that idea is as

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01:48:05,630 --> 01:48:09,270
these initiatives come forward, having that climate lens when we're bringing these ideas

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01:48:09,770 --> 01:48:13,330
forward. There's new and upcoming diversion programs, the composting

706
01:48:13,490 --> 01:48:17,370
programs. So all of these initiatives in that

707
01:48:17,870 --> 01:48:21,520
strategy are important to help reduce the Emissions. Thank you.

708
01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:28,800
My final comment. Please. Go ahead. Diverting the organics from

709
01:48:29,440 --> 01:48:32,800
the landfill not only saves us

710
01:48:33,300 --> 01:48:37,240
millions of dollars in having to build a

711
01:48:37,740 --> 01:48:41,400
new landfill when it's full, but it also significantly will reduce our

712
01:48:41,900 --> 01:48:44,880
greenhouse gases. And it's a very inexpensive way for us to save the landfill space

713
01:48:45,530 --> 01:48:49,050
and to reduce our greenhouse gases because it doesn't cost us anything.

714
01:48:49,130 --> 01:48:52,930
It's following the strategic goal in the strategic plan that was provided to us

715
01:48:53,430 --> 01:48:57,170
by environmental services. So that's it. Thank you for that.

716
01:48:57,670 --> 01:49:01,210
Thank you. And thank you for those

717
01:49:01,710 --> 01:49:05,530
questions. Certainly composting is good at so many levels. So thank you

718
01:49:06,410 --> 01:49:09,930
for highlighting that. Next up is Councillor Benoit followed

719
01:49:10,430 --> 01:49:14,420
by Councillor Leduc. Councillor Benoit, go ahead. Thank you and through

720
01:49:14,920 --> 01:49:18,420
you, Mr. Chair. I noticed as we're going through this, because of our population

721
01:49:19,380 --> 01:49:20,860
growth that we've kind of plateaued a bit and how we're making it towards our

722
01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:25,100
goals. And I'm wondering if in the future it would make sense to present this

723
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:27,980
in a per capita option to then see how we're actually doing compared to the

724
01:49:28,480 --> 01:49:32,180
budgeted population growth and whatnot to see how we are progressing towards our goals,

725
01:49:33,300 --> 01:49:37,890
even with our growing population.

726
01:49:38,390 --> 01:49:40,570
Thank you. Yeah, present. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So, yes, that would be that would

727
01:49:40,650 --> 01:49:44,770
be our next step. And I think that might

728
01:49:45,130 --> 01:49:48,770
help with that timeline because, again, we don't get the data until late.

729
01:49:49,270 --> 01:49:52,570
I'm hoping that this year we might present the

730
01:49:53,070 --> 01:49:57,130
2025 report sooner. It'll have the

731
01:49:57,930 --> 01:50:02,010
2025 accomplishments and the projects and

732
01:50:02,510 --> 01:50:07,800
initiatives. But because we

733
01:50:08,300 --> 01:50:12,400
don't get the data, we might just look at the 2024 data again,

734
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:16,906
but differently. So this might be,

735
01:50:17,406 --> 01:50:20,710
we will continue going through the process of showing the graph over time, but now

736
01:50:21,210 --> 01:50:25,040
that part of the data might be delayed. And so the 2025 data, energy data,

737
01:50:25,360 --> 01:50:27,440
we might look at it differently. And so per capita or delving into it a

738
01:50:27,940 --> 01:50:31,220
little bit differently. So then moving forward, We will, we won't have this delay to

739
01:50:31,720 --> 01:50:35,300
present a report. Just that part of the

740
01:50:37,060 --> 01:50:39,460
report will be 2 years deleted.

741
01:50:40,180 --> 01:50:43,460
Thank you. Councillor Duke. Thank you, Interim Chair.

742
01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:49,140
In your report, you talk about the

743
01:50:49,640 --> 01:50:53,144
continued investment in infrastructure improvements. And you did mention the Spark

744
01:50:53,216 --> 01:50:56,350
Street building. As to how energy efficient that is. And that's a great new story

745
01:50:57,230 --> 01:50:57,630
there.

746
01:51:01,950 --> 01:51:05,470
My more concern is, and our infrastructure, our roads is our biggest

747
01:51:05,970 --> 01:51:09,310
asset. And we do have a lot of construction

748
01:51:09,810 --> 01:51:13,470
during the summer months, which emanates a lot of gases.

749
01:51:13,970 --> 01:51:18,950
So what are we doing

750
01:51:19,450 --> 01:51:23,320
there to reduce that? To your chair. Please go ahead, Jeff. Thank you,

751
01:51:23,820 --> 01:51:27,560
Mr. Mayor. I guess I'll say, once again,

752
01:51:28,060 --> 01:51:31,360
I can't really speak on behalf

753
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:35,440
of some of the other divisions or departments on the road

754
01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:40,320
side of things. Mr. Vilko, do you want to maybe interject there with respect

755
01:51:41,200 --> 01:51:44,480
to, I guess, a question from Councillor Duke

756
01:51:44,980 --> 01:51:48,640
with respect to construction roads. And there's

757
01:51:49,140 --> 01:51:52,320
obviously emitting of gases that happens.

758
01:51:52,820 --> 01:51:57,520
What are we doing to try to reduce that?

759
01:51:58,020 --> 01:52:01,080
Well, thank you. Three of you, Mr. Mayor, to the Councillor.

760
01:52:01,240 --> 01:52:03,240
I think there's a couple factors at play here. One, I think the equipment that

761
01:52:03,740 --> 01:52:07,360
contractors use, newer equipment, is always more efficient than

762
01:52:07,860 --> 01:52:10,680
older equipment. So there's sort of a technology improvement there that does help reduce emissions

763
01:52:11,180 --> 01:52:14,150
from the equipment that is used. From an infrastructure standpoint,

764
01:52:14,650 --> 01:52:18,190
you'll recognise in the capital

765
01:52:18,690 --> 01:52:22,630
program, the city is looking to invest into active

766
01:52:23,130 --> 01:52:26,830
transportation, which also is a part of our strategy for

767
01:52:27,330 --> 01:52:31,470
reducing greenhouse gas emissions and just getting more vehicles off the

768
01:52:31,970 --> 01:52:35,870
road in general. Thank you. Any follow-up,

769
01:52:36,270 --> 01:52:40,260
Councillor LeDuc? Yes. So a

770
01:52:40,340 --> 01:52:44,100
follow up to my

771
01:52:44,600 --> 01:52:49,980
question is that when we go for with our

772
01:52:50,480 --> 01:52:53,620
RFPs, are we putting in any requirements

773
01:52:54,120 --> 01:52:58,620
regarding our strategy to the emissions when

774
01:52:59,120 --> 01:53:02,460
it comes to construction? Because as you've pointed out,

775
01:53:02,960 --> 01:53:06,980
with newer equipment, less emissions. There are new technologies

776
01:53:07,480 --> 01:53:10,310
out there So are we actively looking at those new technologies future? Thank you.

777
01:53:10,810 --> 01:53:14,200
Mr. Vilko. Through the mayor to

778
01:53:14,700 --> 01:53:15,960
Councillor LeDuc,

779
01:53:16,460 --> 01:53:23,680
the city

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01:53:23,839 --> 01:53:27,720
doesn't have direct control over the equipment

781
01:53:28,220 --> 01:53:31,800
that contractors utilise. Obviously reports like the one

782
01:53:32,300 --> 01:53:35,490
before us is

783
01:53:35,990 --> 01:53:40,130
really about awareness and everybody in the community has

784
01:53:40,630 --> 01:53:44,690
a role to play

785
01:53:45,190 --> 01:53:48,330
in their carbon footprint and how they

786
01:53:48,830 --> 01:53:52,370
can benefit the environment. So I think it's more of a broader community approach

787
01:53:52,870 --> 01:53:57,330
for everybody taking those initiatives on

788
01:53:57,830 --> 01:54:01,050
their own. Thank you. Any follow up? See none?

789
01:54:01,370 --> 01:54:04,770
Okay, thank you. Any other questions

790
01:54:05,270 --> 01:54:08,450
or comments? I want to thank you for the presentation. Certainly, I think this year

791
01:54:08,730 --> 01:54:12,330
the fact that we're including waste in the presentation really highlights the

792
01:54:12,830 --> 01:54:16,810
importance of, as Councillor McIntosh mentioned, the challenges certainly that

793
01:54:17,310 --> 01:54:21,290
we have in reducing certainly wet waste into our landfill. The importance people

794
01:54:21,370 --> 01:54:24,770
don't understand filling a garbage bag with dry and

795
01:54:25,270 --> 01:54:28,550
wet and they don't understand the difference but actually at the end of the day,

796
01:54:29,050 --> 01:54:33,430
it makes a big difference. So that's why presentations

797
01:54:33,590 --> 01:54:38,030
like this and reports like this

798
01:54:38,530 --> 01:54:41,190
are key to change behaviour if we are going to try to get our community

799
01:54:41,350 --> 01:54:44,550
on the right path. As well as we touched a bit about transportation,

800
01:54:44,870 --> 01:54:46,636
about us as a city trying to green our fleet as much as we can.

801
01:54:47,136 --> 01:54:50,390
And I know there was a this year presentation by our fleet services that we're

802
01:54:51,110 --> 01:54:54,350
trying to certainly green as much as we can as we renew our fleet,

803
01:54:54,850 --> 01:54:58,140
as well as any new buildings at the highest standards, that we could

804
01:54:58,780 --> 01:55:01,015
possibly do and that's our focus as well. So there's lots happening and we need

805
01:55:01,515 --> 01:55:04,295
to share those practices and continue advocating with other members of our community to do

806
01:55:04,795 --> 01:55:07,300
so. And I want to thank as well the members of the community that are

807
01:55:07,800 --> 01:55:11,913
certainly always writing to us and encouraging us to continue pushing

808
01:55:12,413 --> 01:55:15,280
in that direction. The story of Sudbury, as we know, of where we were,

809
01:55:15,780 --> 01:55:19,500
right, with the emissions and what it did to our landscape of where we

810
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:23,180
are today and the importance of certainly greening the world.

811
01:55:24,250 --> 01:55:27,390
And the energy storage and the energy transition happening,

812
01:55:27,890 --> 01:55:31,770
it's happening here in our community. We're leaders, let's continue

813
01:55:32,270 --> 01:55:35,490
to act like that and I think that presentation and as we push ourselves as

814
01:55:35,990 --> 01:55:38,050
a city and having the community push us as well, we're going to certainly,

815
01:55:38,550 --> 01:55:42,010
I believe, going in the right direction even though small

816
01:55:42,090 --> 01:55:45,370
steps, I think these small steps will turn into bigger steps as we move forward.

817
01:55:45,450 --> 01:55:48,730
So again, thank you for your leadership in that

818
01:55:48,970 --> 01:55:52,840
file. Thank you very much. Thank you so much. Okay, next up we

819
01:55:53,480 --> 01:55:56,920
have our road rehabilitation plan report. So with that,

820
01:55:58,520 --> 01:56:02,640
I will get our CAO to provide us with our 2026 strategy

821
01:56:03,140 --> 01:56:06,440
for the 2026 construction season. From there we'll have Jean Vilco provide

822
01:56:06,940 --> 01:56:11,400
some comments as well and we'll open up for questions

823
01:56:11,900 --> 01:56:14,600
and comments. Thank you.

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01:56:14,680 --> 01:56:17,880
Go ahead.

825
01:56:18,910 --> 01:56:21,630
Great, through you, Mr. Mayor. Before Mr. Vilko gets into some of the details of

826
01:56:22,130 --> 01:56:26,470
the report that's before you tonight, I'd like to speak at

827
01:56:26,970 --> 01:56:30,310
a higher level to explain how these

828
01:56:30,810 --> 01:56:34,590
recommendations came forward and why.

829
01:56:35,090 --> 01:56:38,790
Over the past several months, we've made

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01:56:39,290 --> 01:56:42,830
significant organisational changes and have a completely new

831
01:56:43,330 --> 01:56:46,270
executive leadership team, a lot of new faces at the director level as well.

832
01:56:46,530 --> 01:56:49,650
And with new people in senior positions, we're taking a hard look at how we've

833
01:56:50,150 --> 01:56:53,610
been operating and how we can improve in the way

834
01:56:54,110 --> 01:56:57,650
we deliver services to the community. With our new team,

835
01:56:58,150 --> 01:57:01,170
our new CFO, I've been working with our GMs,

836
01:57:01,650 --> 01:57:05,810
directors and staff to do a comprehensive review of

837
01:57:06,310 --> 01:57:10,010
the capital budget, all funded and unfunded projects, and our financing plan for

838
01:57:10,510 --> 01:57:14,090
infrastructure renewal. It would have been great to have done this review prior to the

839
01:57:14,590 --> 01:57:18,250
recent budget process, but frankly, the team was still very new and we just

840
01:57:18,750 --> 01:57:22,090
didn't have the time to get it done in time for budget.

841
01:57:22,590 --> 01:57:26,650
So that review is underway now and we expect

842
01:57:27,150 --> 01:57:30,570
to report back with a more fulsome report to you

843
01:57:31,070 --> 01:57:34,970
by the end of the second quarter on

844
01:57:35,470 --> 01:57:38,930
the state of all capital projects, financing strategies and additional

845
01:57:39,430 --> 01:57:43,450
recommended changes we might have. But we've heard from council, we've heard from staff,

846
01:57:43,950 --> 01:57:47,230
we've heard from our community that our infrastructure from our roads

847
01:57:47,730 --> 01:57:51,430
to our facilities is aging and we need a

848
01:57:51,930 --> 01:57:55,350
better plan to close the gap. As residents of

849
01:57:55,850 --> 01:57:59,070
the city, we can see for ourselves that

850
01:57:59,570 --> 01:58:06,510
while we have asked taxpayers to pay more to address the

851
01:58:07,010 --> 01:58:10,430
infrastructure gap, we haven't necessarily been able

852
01:58:10,930 --> 01:58:14,630
to keep up. You know, some of our roads

853
01:58:15,130 --> 01:58:18,540
are in really difficult conditions and our years from

854
01:58:19,040 --> 01:58:22,620
making the list to be reconstructed. So we needed a plan

855
01:58:23,120 --> 01:58:27,340
to extend the useful life and improve road conditions in more

856
01:58:27,660 --> 01:58:31,400
areas of the city while we work through our

857
01:58:31,900 --> 01:58:36,180
lengthy road reconstruction program. With input from our teams on the

858
01:58:36,680 --> 01:58:40,020
front lines in roads and engineering, we're proposing to allocate significantly more funding to asphalt

859
01:58:40,520 --> 01:58:44,460
patching and other techniques which will improve road quality for more more

860
01:58:44,960 --> 01:58:48,220
parts of the city. We've identified the funding for this through the beginning of this

861
01:58:48,720 --> 01:58:53,060
in-depth review that I referenced.

862
01:58:55,220 --> 01:58:58,220
And it's not a one-time program that we're proposing.

863
01:58:58,720 --> 01:59:02,260
We're proposing to continue this allocation to

864
01:59:02,760 --> 01:59:05,540
road rehabilitation annually going forward.

865
01:59:05,860 --> 01:59:09,300
It's about asset management and trying to close the infrastructure gap.

866
01:59:09,800 --> 01:59:13,228
We could have waited a few more months until our full capital review was complete

867
01:59:13,728 --> 01:59:17,230
or until we updated a new multi-year capital budget, but we didn't want to miss

868
01:59:17,730 --> 01:59:21,710
a construction season when we could start making a difference this year. We have a

869
01:59:22,190 --> 01:59:25,470
new leadership team who is really motivated to bring change to our community,

870
01:59:25,550 --> 01:59:29,550
to make a difference as soon as possible.

871
01:59:30,050 --> 01:59:32,094
And I'm really excited about the work that we're doing together and want to thank

872
01:59:32,594 --> 01:59:36,030
the staff team that have worked across divisions to bring this

873
01:59:36,530 --> 01:59:37,936
immediate plan forward. So with that, I'd like to ask Mr. Vilko to provide a

874
01:59:38,436 --> 01:59:42,290
little more detail on the program we're proposing in the

875
01:59:42,530 --> 01:59:46,210
report. Great, thank you. As noted

876
01:59:46,710 --> 01:59:50,010
in the report, there's $10 million proposed to be redistributed in

877
01:59:50,510 --> 01:59:55,130
rehabilitation of MR 35 from Big Nickel Mine

878
01:59:55,630 --> 01:59:59,250
Road to Notre Dame and Azilda. The rehabilitation works would consist

879
01:59:59,750 --> 02:00:03,170
of a combination of pavement renewal treatments consisting of pulverizing, milling and

880
02:00:03,670 --> 02:00:07,970
overlay to

881
02:00:08,470 --> 02:00:12,110
address localized pavement conditions. To address

882
02:00:12,610 --> 02:00:16,550
surface deterioration, reinstate areas and improve road

883
02:00:17,050 --> 02:00:19,950
quality across the city, two separate $5 million contracts for a total of $10 million

884
02:00:20,110 --> 02:00:24,030
are proposed to be assigned for spreader-late asphalt patch

885
02:00:24,910 --> 02:00:28,750
works. Both the MR35 work and the two contracts for spreader-late

886
02:00:28,990 --> 02:00:32,910
asphalt patches are in addition to the

887
02:00:33,410 --> 02:00:36,930
projects approved in the 2026 capital budget, which already consists of

888
02:00:37,430 --> 02:00:40,440
about 20 road projects on the city's work plan for this year.

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02:00:40,940 --> 02:00:44,560
The list of proposed roads to be

890
02:00:45,060 --> 02:00:48,560
rehabilitated is based on input from City staff that includes roads, operations managers

891
02:00:49,060 --> 02:00:52,760
and linear infrastructure services and engineering staff. It's a

892
02:00:53,260 --> 02:00:56,880
list that identifies the highest priority areas and

893
02:00:57,380 --> 02:01:00,600
roads that require attention first. Road conditions do change, particularly in the spring as the

894
02:01:01,100 --> 02:01:04,640
frost comes out of the ground, so it's important to understand that the list is

895
02:01:05,140 --> 02:01:08,550
subject to change based on conditions and will continue to be evaluated

896
02:01:09,050 --> 02:01:13,190
and prioritized. It's also important the council understands that the work along these road segments

897
02:01:13,690 --> 02:01:15,750
will be large asphalt patches targeting those worst areas of the road segments that were

898
02:01:16,250 --> 02:01:19,990
identified and not full road resurfacing of each of the roads

899
02:01:20,490 --> 02:01:24,350
on the list. Of course there are other roads

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02:01:24,850 --> 02:01:28,550
that could be added to the list or they could be debated.

901
02:01:28,870 --> 02:01:32,950
Overall our collective goal is to maximize the funds allocated here

902
02:01:33,450 --> 02:01:36,590
to improve the roads. We are eager to get started with the

903
02:01:37,090 --> 02:01:39,870
work, trust the process and keep in mind that this is a larger scale targeted

904
02:01:40,370 --> 02:01:44,190
approach for improving road conditions. And as noted earlier, subsequent budgets will include this

905
02:01:44,690 --> 02:01:47,950
continued approach for investment to specifically improve the overall surface condition for

906
02:01:48,450 --> 02:01:53,630
the road network. Lastly, I just want to

907
02:01:54,130 --> 02:01:57,870
recognise that the

908
02:01:58,370 --> 02:02:02,350
list is quite extensive and may trigger concerns about traffic congestion. We recognise

909
02:02:02,850 --> 02:02:06,390
that and will strive to over communicate on where the works are

910
02:02:06,890 --> 02:02:12,230
happening in coordination with the contractor to allow residents to find alternate routes

911
02:02:12,730 --> 02:02:16,350
during the work. And also keeping in

912
02:02:16,850 --> 02:02:21,030
mind that the grinding and paving type operation

913
02:02:21,110 --> 02:02:24,390
that's being proposed here is fairly fluid, so the work

914
02:02:24,890 --> 02:02:28,190
areas will shift quite regularly. And I guess with that, we're happy to

915
02:02:28,690 --> 02:02:31,540
answer any questions that council we have. Thank you. And I just, before we open

916
02:02:32,040 --> 02:02:35,700
the floor to comments and questions, I wanted to thank the staff. I know

917
02:02:36,200 --> 02:02:39,660
they were taking a deep dive in our certainly capital plan for this year and

918
02:02:39,740 --> 02:02:43,420
certainly our roads. And I know Mr. Wilco, our CAO and our CFO,

919
02:02:44,060 --> 02:02:47,580
worked hard to, to look at how we can certainly continue and certainly improve

920
02:02:48,080 --> 02:02:51,900
the way we were doing things. So going from three million

921
02:02:52,140 --> 02:02:56,720
dollars a year in our Shave and Pay program to $10

922
02:02:57,220 --> 02:03:01,560
million annually. And most of that funding, well, all that funding is

923
02:03:02,280 --> 02:03:05,880
basically our special capital levy that we've been putting on in 23,

924
02:03:06,760 --> 02:03:10,640
24, sorry, 23, sorry, 23, 24, 25, 26. So yeah, so those are things that

925
02:03:11,140 --> 02:03:14,600
we put ourselves as counsel. We've wanted to see results.

926
02:03:15,100 --> 02:03:18,360
We wanted, because we heard loud and clear from residents,

927
02:03:18,920 --> 02:03:22,200
roads has been certainly something that we wanted to address.

928
02:03:23,780 --> 02:03:25,180
And I think that the team is responding to that desire and the need of

929
02:03:25,680 --> 02:03:28,820
improvements to our roads and having more projects

930
02:03:29,320 --> 02:03:31,395
being done. And we're seeing the fruits of those investments that we've done and now

931
02:03:32,386 --> 02:03:35,500
to ensure that those projects move forward. I think it's very exciting for our community

932
02:03:36,000 --> 02:03:40,500
to see these roads being addressed and that we

933
02:03:41,000 --> 02:03:44,860
are concerned about. So with that, I will open

934
02:03:45,360 --> 02:03:48,950
the floor for for comments and

935
02:03:49,450 --> 02:03:52,630
questions. I got Councillor Parah and then Councillor Lapierre, Councillor Rady, go ahead, Councillor Parah.

936
02:03:53,130 --> 02:03:57,430
Thank you to you, Mr. Mayor. Again, I'd also like to thank the

937
02:03:57,930 --> 02:04:01,110
staff, I mean, for working at refining

938
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processes to identify areas where we can free up funds that were maybe going to

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be utilised for things that are not a prior to

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the city and being redirected to our roads. Since the

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report was of course there's engagement with the public who

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02:04:17,370 --> 02:04:20,790
pay attention to these things.

943
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And one concern that was

944
02:04:24,850 --> 02:04:28,470
asked of me that I couldn't answer is when it comes

945
02:04:28,550 --> 02:04:31,598
to the large asphalt patches, what's the life expectancy? So if we do an area,

946
02:04:32,098 --> 02:04:35,550
how long do we expect that to last? And do the providers of such services

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02:04:36,050 --> 02:04:39,950
offer a warranty on the work they perform? Thank you. We would like

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02:04:40,450 --> 02:04:44,100
to answer that. Mr. Ilko. Through you, Mr. Mayor, to the Councillor,

949
02:04:44,600 --> 02:04:48,260
I'll get started

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02:04:48,760 --> 02:04:52,940
here and maybe some others can chime in here.

951
02:04:53,440 --> 02:04:57,699
We've got other staff supporting this report. As far as the longevity of

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02:04:58,199 --> 02:05:01,980
the patches, it's estimated to get about seven, between seven and

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02:05:02,480 --> 02:05:06,180
ten years of life out of those patches. The warranty work itself, there is a

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02:05:06,680 --> 02:05:11,630
limited warranty period and maybe I'll ask Mr. Rocco just to give us a little

955
02:05:12,130 --> 02:05:16,430
bit more clarity on the

956
02:05:16,510 --> 02:05:19,350
warranty details for our projects.

957
02:05:19,850 --> 02:05:23,390
Mr. Rocco, please turn on your mic. Just turn on the mic please. Yeah,

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02:05:23,890 --> 02:05:27,550
so through you Mr. Mayor, our contracts, our capital

959
02:05:28,050 --> 02:05:32,110
contracts have a two-year warranty period. Thank you.

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02:05:32,760 --> 02:05:36,000
Councillor Pagtakhan, follow-up? Just one

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02:05:36,500 --> 02:05:40,400
follow-up. And with regular road work, from what I remember from operations committee's reports,

962
02:05:40,900 --> 02:05:44,280
we do quality checks of the aggregate of the asphalt to ensure

963
02:05:44,440 --> 02:05:47,740
it meets a standard. Is that also true

964
02:05:48,240 --> 02:05:51,400
with respect to the large asphalt patches? And how does that work

965
02:05:51,900 --> 02:05:55,000
with ensuring that we're looking at taxpayer

966
02:05:55,500 --> 02:05:58,850
money, great that we're investing this that

967
02:05:59,350 --> 02:06:02,930
we're going to be receiving the product, the best product available so that

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02:06:03,430 --> 02:06:06,490
it lasts closer to the 10 years than the seven years. Thank you.

969
02:06:06,990 --> 02:06:09,330
Thank you. If you have Mr.

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02:06:10,130 --> 02:06:13,130
Rocco respond to that. Thank you,

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02:06:13,630 --> 02:06:17,570
Mr. Mayor. So our asphalt specifications meet Ontario specifications and part of

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02:06:18,070 --> 02:06:19,810
that requirement is to do quality assurance testing.

973
02:06:21,650 --> 02:06:25,320
So that's regularly tested. Thank you. Good for

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02:06:25,820 --> 02:06:29,520
now. Okay. Thank you. Thank you to

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02:06:29,840 --> 02:06:33,440
staff as

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02:06:34,080 --> 02:06:38,920
well for this and the detailed report. Appreciate all the

977
02:06:39,420 --> 02:06:42,280
work behind it. Two questions. With this larger sum of money, does that give us

978
02:06:42,780 --> 02:06:46,160
an opportunity to open up a larger tender to maybe have more

979
02:06:46,240 --> 02:06:49,840
contractors bid on it to get better pricing in the long run?

980
02:06:50,210 --> 02:06:50,850
Thank you.

981
02:06:51,350 --> 02:06:54,770
Mr. Wilko.

982
02:06:55,010 --> 02:06:56,370
Through you, Mr. Mayor, to the Councillor,

983
02:06:57,970 --> 02:07:01,490
the three projects that are defined in the report are exactly that.

984
02:07:01,990 --> 02:07:05,730
So the MR35 is a one contract for budgeted

985
02:07:06,129 --> 02:07:09,410
$10 million. So it's a significant scope of work.

986
02:07:09,910 --> 02:07:13,330
The other two contracts are split into

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02:07:13,830 --> 02:07:17,100
two $5 million contracts again. Looking to attract

988
02:07:17,600 --> 02:07:21,340
contractors with a significant scope of work and also recognise efficiencies

989
02:07:21,580 --> 02:07:25,660
from economies of scale and scope for benefit

990
02:07:26,140 --> 02:07:29,860
to the city. Thank you. I appreciate that because I

991
02:07:30,360 --> 02:07:34,060
think being competitive and having that much work is easier for

992
02:07:34,560 --> 02:07:38,260
big teams to mobilise and being able

993
02:07:38,760 --> 02:07:42,270
with best price as possible.

994
02:07:42,770 --> 02:07:45,510
So the other piece I have, I lost my train of thought now. Come back

995
02:07:46,150 --> 02:07:49,590
to me. I'll go ahead. Thanks. Not a problem.

996
02:07:49,750 --> 02:07:53,456
Councillor Singer, ready? Let's go ahead.

997
02:07:53,956 --> 02:07:57,029
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And I just want to echo some

998
02:07:57,529 --> 02:07:59,060
of the comments that my colleagues made. I just want to thank our CAO.

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02:07:59,560 --> 02:08:04,110
I want to thank our general manager

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02:08:04,610 --> 02:08:09,150
of growth and infrastructure and his team. And our CFO for

1001
02:08:09,650 --> 02:08:13,830
finding, not finding, I shouldn't use that word, but the comments out

1002
02:08:14,330 --> 02:08:16,190
there were, well, we found some money.

1003
02:08:16,830 --> 02:08:19,710
Where was this money before?

1004
02:08:21,230 --> 02:08:25,070
So I'm happy to hear that those comments have been

1005
02:08:25,570 --> 02:08:29,270
clarified to provide that under new leadership,

1006
02:08:29,770 --> 02:08:32,950
a new leadership team, they've looked at different options to come back to take some

1007
02:08:33,450 --> 02:08:37,720
of that capital tax levy that the community and

1008
02:08:38,220 --> 02:08:42,200
wanted for roads and look at trying to extend

1009
02:08:42,700 --> 02:08:46,320
the useful life of a lot of our existing

1010
02:08:46,400 --> 02:08:50,360
infrastructure. I appreciate, Mr. Balco, for identifying that there's going to be a

1011
02:08:50,860 --> 02:08:54,860
communication piece and an extensive communication piece for residents to know

1012
02:08:55,360 --> 02:08:58,400
if a certain area, because there's a lot of roads on this list that are

1013
02:08:58,900 --> 02:09:02,520
going to be addressed. So people or citizens can adjust their driving habits so they

1014
02:09:03,020 --> 02:09:06,680
can know, okay, there's going to be construction on

1015
02:09:07,180 --> 02:09:10,800
this road. They can look at a

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02:09:11,300 --> 02:09:14,480
different route. I guess my only question is related to the communication and the timeliness

1017
02:09:14,980 --> 02:09:18,360
of, I know it's not a full road reconstruction,

1018
02:09:19,480 --> 02:09:23,280
so it's not going to take four or five

1019
02:09:23,780 --> 02:09:26,800
months through Mr. Mayor to Mr. Velco,

1020
02:09:27,160 --> 02:09:30,360
can you identify or can you give us roughly in a

1021
02:09:30,860 --> 02:09:34,480
certain area, how much impact would that have over a period

1022
02:09:34,980 --> 02:09:38,120
of time or inconvenience to motorists? Can you identify a timeline or can you provide

1023
02:09:38,620 --> 02:09:42,920
more of a approximate timeline that it would impact

1024
02:09:43,420 --> 02:09:47,480
maybe in a significant area or significant street that

1025
02:09:47,980 --> 02:09:50,120
residents would be looking at?

1026
02:09:51,410 --> 02:09:55,250
Thank you. Mr. Villeneuve. Yes, through the mayor to

1027
02:09:55,750 --> 02:10:01,010
the councillor, the type

1028
02:10:01,510 --> 02:10:05,010
of operation that we're talking about is basically two

1029
02:10:05,510 --> 02:10:09,410
different crews. A grinding crew would come

1030
02:10:09,490 --> 02:10:14,370
first to grind out the areas and then the,

1031
02:10:14,870 --> 02:10:19,100
in a separate crew would come at a later date to to

1032
02:10:19,600 --> 02:10:23,180
pave it. And so again, the duration of the construction on

1033
02:10:23,680 --> 02:10:29,060
any particular road is based

1034
02:10:29,560 --> 02:10:33,060
on how extensive the repairs are. But as

1035
02:10:33,460 --> 02:10:38,100
a rough estimate, I think the grinding on any particular street could be

1036
02:10:38,660 --> 02:10:42,620
anywhere from one

1037
02:10:43,120 --> 02:10:46,100
to three days. And same thing for the pavement.

1038
02:10:47,660 --> 02:10:50,420
Again, pretty rough estimates, but it's in the units of days, not weeks, for each

1039
02:10:50,920 --> 02:10:54,380
of those operations. And it's really, it will be quite

1040
02:10:54,880 --> 02:10:58,220
fluid in the sense that there'll be a grinding crew that

1041
02:10:58,720 --> 02:11:04,340
will be targeting certain areas, trying to

1042
02:11:04,840 --> 02:11:07,980
be efficient with their operations. And then again,

1043
02:11:08,860 --> 02:11:12,300
the paving crew would also fall in that

1044
02:11:12,580 --> 02:11:15,860
sequence to also again be efficient.

1045
02:11:16,020 --> 02:11:20,020
So I think the residents are looking

1046
02:11:20,520 --> 02:11:24,620
for minimal impact and I think the contractors are looking to be as efficient

1047
02:11:25,120 --> 02:11:29,140
as possible as they work through those areas. One of the things

1048
02:11:29,640 --> 02:11:33,340
that does come to mind here is that if there's

1049
02:11:33,840 --> 02:11:37,360
any intersection work we can also look to schedule some work

1050
02:11:37,860 --> 02:11:41,450
to happen off hours like an overnight area if it's a, depending on

1051
02:11:41,950 --> 02:11:45,410
the area and the amount

1052
02:11:45,910 --> 02:11:49,570
of trying to minimize that disruption for high volume areas. And just one

1053
02:11:50,070 --> 02:11:53,490
follow-up, please, yep. Just for the public and Mr.

1054
02:11:53,990 --> 02:11:57,570
Volko, if you can just identify, it's broken out into sections, south section,

1055
02:11:58,070 --> 02:12:01,250
southeast section, and so forth, and there's numerous streets in each

1056
02:12:01,750 --> 02:12:05,446
section. I'm assuming these will be staggered and it's

1057
02:12:05,946 --> 02:12:07,780
not all going to be done. The south section is just going. Can you just

1058
02:12:08,280 --> 02:12:12,060
lay out on maybe on a high level how this would be, if you

1059
02:12:13,900 --> 02:12:17,180
can right now, just how this would roll

1060
02:12:17,680 --> 02:12:20,380
out or, like, timeline, if you don't mind.

1061
02:12:21,260 --> 02:12:24,620
Through, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Mr. Liko, through the mayor,

1062
02:12:24,860 --> 02:12:28,700
you'll notice that there's two contracts proposed, and that's

1063
02:12:29,200 --> 02:12:32,760
to delineate the city basically into two. Two distinct areas and

1064
02:12:33,260 --> 02:12:36,820
contracts so that we don't have, assuming that

1065
02:12:37,320 --> 02:12:41,360
there's two separate contractors doing one contract for

1066
02:12:41,440 --> 02:12:45,400
each contractor, that those contractors

1067
02:12:45,900 --> 02:12:49,280
aren't sort of crossing over into their respective areas so

1068
02:12:49,680 --> 02:12:53,320
that it allows each contractor to really try and

1069
02:12:53,820 --> 02:12:56,720
coordinate their work and minimize the impacts to residents.

1070
02:12:57,630 --> 02:13:01,950
That way. So it enables that coordinated

1071
02:13:02,450 --> 02:13:06,070
approach for minimizing those impacts. I guess the ability

1072
02:13:06,570 --> 02:13:09,990
to schedule the work,

1073
02:13:10,070 --> 02:13:14,310
I think, you know, the actual sequence

1074
02:13:14,810 --> 02:13:19,990
of the work, which roads happen in which area is really going to

1075
02:13:20,490 --> 02:13:23,830
be governed by the

1076
02:13:24,570 --> 02:13:27,370
by the contractor. Essentially, they're looking to be as efficient as possible. So I think

1077
02:13:27,870 --> 02:13:31,010
there will be a sort of a,

1078
02:13:31,510 --> 02:13:32,570
it won't be a, it'll be like a sequential flow, not a sort of a

1079
02:13:33,070 --> 02:13:37,530
shotgun blast across the area. So again, the contractor will dictate the

1080
02:13:38,650 --> 02:13:41,850
exact sequence, but I would expect that they would be looking

1081
02:13:44,410 --> 02:13:48,090
to move from street to street in a strategic

1082
02:13:48,590 --> 02:13:51,870
way that maximizes their efficiency. One final comment. Go ahead.

1083
02:13:52,370 --> 02:13:55,950
Just want to again echo that the community has asked for roads. We see

1084
02:13:56,450 --> 02:14:00,390
the potholes every day with the freeze-thaw and staff is heard loud and management is

1085
02:14:00,890 --> 02:14:05,030
heard loud and clear. And I appreciate the initiative that's

1086
02:14:05,530 --> 02:14:09,470
been brought forward and it's going to

1087
02:14:09,630 --> 02:14:13,270
be exciting times for

1088
02:14:13,770 --> 02:14:17,480
our community. And like you point out, Mr. Mayor, this is

1089
02:14:17,980 --> 02:14:18,920
not just one and done. This is going to be on an annual basis.

1090
02:14:19,420 --> 02:14:23,440
So we're going to see the roads really improve over multiple years. So thank

1091
02:14:23,940 --> 02:14:27,960
you to the leadership of the staff

1092
02:14:28,460 --> 02:14:32,000
and to Miss Litterman and her team for bringing this forward in a

1093
02:14:32,500 --> 02:14:35,520
timely fashion. Thank you. Next up,

1094
02:14:36,020 --> 02:14:40,400
I got a number of speakers here.

1095
02:14:40,900 --> 02:14:43,680
That's great. I got Councillor Duke. Followed by Councillor Labi, Councillor Sizer, Councillor Fortin,

1096
02:14:44,180 --> 02:14:47,840
and then Councillor Lapierre has found his through and thought, I thought, I'll get back

1097
02:14:48,340 --> 02:14:51,480
to him at that point. Okay, so Councillor Duke, please go ahead.

1098
02:14:51,980 --> 02:14:56,120
Thank you and to

1099
02:14:56,620 --> 02:15:02,560
your chair. First off, I want to point out that,

1100
02:15:03,060 --> 02:15:07,160
you know, it's not 20, roughly $22 million surplus as approximately

1101
02:15:07,240 --> 02:15:11,800
$6.2 million. Are projects that are being cancelled in

1102
02:15:12,300 --> 02:15:16,320
2026. So in realistic numbers, roughly it's about

1103
02:15:16,820 --> 02:15:20,120
16 million dollars in surplus projects. So my first

1104
02:15:20,620 --> 02:15:24,479
question is, and I notice here that

1105
02:15:24,480 --> 02:15:28,280
we have projects that date

1106
02:15:28,780 --> 02:15:32,960
back to 2019 to as late as 2024. And I'm wondering

1107
02:15:33,460 --> 02:15:36,910
why these surpluses weren't identified.

1108
02:15:37,410 --> 02:15:41,430
And I get it. I hear that,

1109
02:15:41,930 --> 02:15:46,030
you know, we had a staff change,

1110
02:15:46,530 --> 02:15:50,430
reorganization. But before that, these projects were on the books. And so

1111
02:15:50,930 --> 02:15:54,710
I'm wondering why none of this money was identified in previous budgets

1112
02:15:55,210 --> 02:15:57,910
or, and, I mean,

1113
02:15:58,230 --> 02:16:00,870
I heard it today that, you know,

1114
02:16:01,100 --> 02:16:04,900
we had a staffing change, but we didn't

1115
02:16:05,400 --> 02:16:08,780
completely change all our staff. We made a

1116
02:16:09,100 --> 02:16:12,700
couple of changes. We do have a finance department.

1117
02:16:13,200 --> 02:16:17,420
So how did these checks and balances get missed

1118
02:16:17,920 --> 02:16:21,820
before budget time? Future. Thank you. Who wants

1119
02:16:22,320 --> 02:16:26,020
to go ahead? Mr. Lichterman or Mr.

1120
02:16:26,520 --> 02:16:30,630
Karpenko? Which one we want

1121
02:16:31,130 --> 02:16:34,830
to speak to. Ms.

1122
02:16:35,330 --> 02:16:39,390
Carpenco or our CFO will provide a first

1123
02:16:39,890 --> 02:16:45,270
step answer. Yes. So I think as

1124
02:16:45,430 --> 02:16:49,630
an annual process, the finance staff had

1125
02:16:50,130 --> 02:16:53,670
conversations with internal departments and did their

1126
02:16:54,170 --> 02:16:57,780
best at closing out projects. But when you have

1127
02:16:58,280 --> 02:17:01,700
a new solidified senior leadership team that's sending

1128
02:17:02,200 --> 02:17:07,300
a very consistent message across the board that

1129
02:17:07,800 --> 02:17:11,460
we want to modify the ways we are managing our capital programs,

1130
02:17:11,960 --> 02:17:15,500
I think that's what led to maybe some deeper level

1131
02:17:16,220 --> 02:17:21,340
conversations and the

1132
02:17:21,840 --> 02:17:23,900
identification of these funds to allow a new road strategy. Thank you. Follow-up question,

1133
02:17:24,400 --> 02:17:30,660
Councillor Duke. So, yes, it still hasn't identified the checks and balances

1134
02:17:31,160 --> 02:17:34,660
that were missed through the processor. Because these are projects,

1135
02:17:35,160 --> 02:17:40,700
like I say, that date back

1136
02:17:41,900 --> 02:17:44,820
from 2019 to 2024. You know,

1137
02:17:45,320 --> 02:17:48,740
we have a finance team. We've got KPMG that

1138
02:17:49,240 --> 02:17:52,730
audit our books or review our books. And it was never identified

1139
02:17:53,230 --> 02:17:56,710
in a budget or through KPMG that we had these surplus funds

1140
02:17:58,750 --> 02:18:02,350
that could have been used in previous budgets,

1141
02:18:04,750 --> 02:18:08,030
even in our past

1142
02:18:08,530 --> 02:18:12,130
budget. So moving on from that question, my next question is

1143
02:18:12,630 --> 02:18:17,819
that in past years, whenever there's been a surplus, normally the surplus goes back into

1144
02:18:18,319 --> 02:18:21,979
our tax stabilization accounts. So why

1145
02:18:22,479 --> 02:18:26,179
is it that, and I understand, you know, we want roads and everything else,

1146
02:18:26,679 --> 02:18:30,459
but in the budget that we just passed, you know, we dipped into our reserves.

1147
02:18:31,419 --> 02:18:34,409
So I'm just wondering why now that we are changing this process of not taking

1148
02:18:34,909 --> 02:18:37,339
the money and putting it back, whenever we have surpluses,

1149
02:18:38,619 --> 02:18:41,899
it always goes back into our

1150
02:18:42,399 --> 02:18:46,590
tax stabilization account. So could you please elaborate on that through your

1151
02:18:47,090 --> 02:18:50,710
chair? Through the mayor, to the councillor. So a couple of points.

1152
02:18:51,210 --> 02:18:55,670
So the surplus that you're referring to that goes back to the tax rate

1153
02:18:56,170 --> 02:18:59,469
stabilization would be an operating surplus and that continues at year end where and

1154
02:18:59,969 --> 02:19:03,230
actually occurred for 2025 where we had an

1155
02:19:03,730 --> 02:19:19,719
operating surplus and that goes to

1156
02:19:20,219 --> 02:19:23,999
the reserves. In this case, yes, there were some capital projects that were closed

1157
02:19:24,499 --> 02:19:27,839
out, which is a normal process that takes place, certainly with every year end,

1158
02:19:28,339 --> 02:19:30,759
where we're reviewing capital projects, we're getting updates on them, we are returning funds on

1159
02:19:31,259 --> 02:19:33,042
some where work has been done or rescoped, and in others, we require more funds

1160
02:19:33,542 --> 02:19:34,239
and we might request to move funds to those.

1161
02:19:36,810 --> 02:19:40,850
So that's a normal annual

1162
02:19:41,350 --> 02:19:44,770
process. We are taking a deeper dive

1163
02:19:45,270 --> 02:19:48,690
into that process this year because the team here,

1164
02:19:49,190 --> 02:19:54,090
at least at the senior levels, is not as

1165
02:19:54,590 --> 02:19:58,250
familiar with this budget, these projects, wants to ensure that we all agree in terms

1166
02:19:58,410 --> 02:20:00,730
of the priorities. And so in starting that process, that's where we did identify a

1167
02:20:01,230 --> 02:20:03,120
number of projects that were ready to be closed out. And yes, some of them

1168
02:20:03,620 --> 02:20:06,920
have 2019 and those earlier years listed. That's the year where the funds

1169
02:20:07,420 --> 02:20:09,173
for that project were budgeted. It may not have been the year that the project

1170
02:20:09,673 --> 02:20:12,200
actually started just given capacity and timing. But the majority of the projects that we

1171
02:20:12,700 --> 02:20:14,880
closed out had still been in warranty and there were reasons why the project managers

1172
02:20:24,560 --> 02:20:32,650
had recommended over

1173
02:20:33,150 --> 02:20:33,640
the years to continue holding the funds, thinking that they may need to apply them

1174
02:20:34,140 --> 02:20:38,450
to the project. I really appreciate the work

1175
02:20:38,950 --> 02:20:44,936
with Rob Raka and his team in conjunction with

1176
02:20:45,436 --> 02:20:45,530
Joe Raka, the Raka team over here, to help us work through a lot of

1177
02:20:46,030 --> 02:20:47,850
these projects and come up with this plan. As I said, we're not done working

1178
02:20:48,350 --> 02:21:09,886
through the

1179
02:21:10,386 --> 02:21:10,716
entire capital program, which includes facilities, water, wastewater as well. But really, this is not

1180
02:21:11,216 --> 02:21:11,980
an unusual process that we went through. It is a bit unusual that we paused,

1181
02:21:12,480 --> 02:21:15,575
identified some of the surplus funds, and said instead of keeping them

1182
02:21:16,075 --> 02:21:16,940
in the capital program to move around to approved existing projects, we're proposing to create

1183
02:21:17,440 --> 02:21:21,310
three new projects. So that we can take a

1184
02:21:21,810 --> 02:21:25,750
different approach to asset management. So that's why we're doing this a

1185
02:21:26,250 --> 02:21:31,670
bit differently this year. But some of

1186
02:21:32,170 --> 02:21:35,710
the checks and balances that you refer to certainly

1187
02:21:35,870 --> 02:21:38,150
have been in place in the past and were in place again this year.

1188
02:21:38,650 --> 02:21:41,950
It is just adjusting the approach. Thank you. Okay, we'll move on to council.

1189
02:21:42,190 --> 02:21:45,680
One more question. Yes, I have another, I have a

1190
02:21:46,180 --> 02:21:50,040
few questions so you can put me on the second

1191
02:21:54,760 --> 02:21:58,520
round if you'd like. Go ahead right now.

1192
02:21:59,020 --> 02:22:00,160
Okay. But I noticed in the report here that we're taking money from Second Avenue.

1193
02:22:00,660 --> 02:22:04,360
So we're cancelling the project. Mr. Mayor, point of order. If we're not going

1194
02:22:04,860 --> 02:22:08,120
to do a deep dive, Mr. Mayor, on each, excuse me, each road that's going

1195
02:22:08,440 --> 02:22:11,760
to be right there in the report if you don't like it. No,

1196
02:22:12,260 --> 02:22:15,600
Councillor, it's a question that I can ask. Each specific road that was

1197
02:22:16,100 --> 02:22:18,230
either identified, not identified, if you want to discuss that, discuss that offline with the

1198
02:22:18,730 --> 02:22:21,840
GM related to your request for a certain road, Mr. Mayor. So thank you,

1199
02:22:22,340 --> 02:22:26,920
Councillor, just make sure that your question is not about one specific

1200
02:22:27,240 --> 02:22:33,960
project or else we're gonna have everybody around the table asking for a specific project

1201
02:22:34,460 --> 02:22:38,250
which ones are on, and which

1202
02:22:38,750 --> 02:22:42,223
ones are not. We know that for a fact. We don't deal

1203
02:22:42,723 --> 02:22:43,013
with that. Basically, the team decides which projects. If you want to keep your comments

1204
02:22:43,513 --> 02:22:44,970
or question in a general nature, not a problem. But if you want to be

1205
02:22:45,470 --> 02:22:46,670
very specific, I'm not going to allow it. Go ahead. Mr. Mayor. Yes. It's my

1206
02:22:47,170 --> 02:22:52,930
project. Your project. I'm sorry, councillor. Nothing is

1207
02:22:53,430 --> 02:22:55,543
your project. These are City projects. You made me point of order. If you want

1208
02:22:56,043 --> 02:22:57,130
to debate me, then step away from the chair and put your. Not debating you.

1209
02:22:57,630 --> 02:23:00,930
I'm allowing what questions will be brought forward or not. That's chair.

1210
02:23:01,430 --> 02:23:01,903
I have that Authority. I'm allowed. I don't have to ask it. It's my residence,

1211
02:23:03,900 --> 02:23:07,730
as the media and our press releases were doing a great

1212
02:23:08,230 --> 02:23:10,930
job at saying like these are supplemental. For myself, I wanted to also add what

1213
02:23:11,430 --> 02:23:14,610
the actual map and projects were. So I went to our city website and I

1214
02:23:15,110 --> 02:23:17,450
noticed that we have some really great visuals,

1215
02:23:18,330 --> 02:23:22,690
one pagers that are like infographics

1216
02:23:23,190 --> 02:23:27,330
that are easily like maps of construction projects

1217
02:23:27,830 --> 02:23:31,220
and that kind of thing. On our city website

1218
02:23:31,540 --> 02:23:35,380
currently we just have the 2024 capital accomplishments. So I'm

1219
02:23:35,700 --> 02:23:39,260
wondering when the 2025 capital accomplishments will be put up so

1220
02:23:39,760 --> 02:23:43,580
that we can do comparators for all of our awards because that encompasses all of

1221
02:23:44,080 --> 02:23:48,700
our awards and also the 2026 construction map. So we're three months

1222
02:23:49,200 --> 02:23:52,540
into 2026 and I know construction season hasn't started

1223
02:23:53,040 --> 02:23:57,590
yet. But I'm

1224
02:23:58,090 --> 02:24:02,046
wondering if I can get a timeline on when that resource would be

1225
02:24:02,750 --> 02:24:03,590
People can just see it instead of all the whataboutisms. It's there, it's laid out,

1226
02:24:04,090 --> 02:24:07,790
and it's

1227
02:24:08,290 --> 02:24:14,070
part of our four-year capital plan. Instead of us councillors going into

1228
02:24:14,570 --> 02:24:15,830
the capital budget on certain pages and identifying for each ward, I think it would

1229
02:24:16,330 --> 02:24:19,390
be great if we had that kind of tool available to us.

1230
02:24:20,440 --> 02:24:23,640
Very soon so that we can dispel some

1231
02:24:24,140 --> 02:24:27,520
of those frustrations that people are experiencing, just their

1232
02:24:28,020 --> 02:24:31,320
reaction and not really reading all of the article or reading all the

1233
02:24:31,820 --> 02:24:35,560
information that was posted about the supplemental road systems. And also might

1234
02:24:36,060 --> 02:24:40,200
quash some of the purposeful rage baiting against the city and just,

1235
02:24:42,120 --> 02:24:43,880
you know, quash that misinformation or the purposeful disinformation that's being shared about the capital

1236
02:24:44,380 --> 02:24:48,600
projects that were that we're investing in. So maybe just a timeline

1237
02:24:49,100 --> 02:24:53,080
for those two

1238
02:24:53,580 --> 02:24:56,320
important tools and resources. That would be wonderful.

1239
02:24:56,820 --> 02:25:00,480
Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Ruckup, please provide a response.

1240
02:25:00,560 --> 02:25:04,280
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. On the

1241
02:25:04,780 --> 02:25:07,420
engineering services website, we do have what's called an interactive construction map, which shows projects

1242
02:25:07,920 --> 02:25:09,320
that are planned and under construction. The other map you referred to is the static

1243
02:25:09,820 --> 02:25:13,450
2024 construction or 2025 construction map. So we can definitely produce a static construction

1244
02:25:13,950 --> 02:25:17,130
map. We're currently working on that, but we're moving more in the direction of

1245
02:25:17,770 --> 02:25:21,170
having an interactive map which provides more detailed information

1246
02:25:21,670 --> 02:25:25,370
on each location. There's sort of like a how-to document so forth there as

1247
02:25:25,610 --> 02:25:29,210
well to guide users on how to use the map.

1248
02:25:29,710 --> 02:25:33,050
It's still work in progress, but we can

1249
02:25:33,550 --> 02:25:37,090
definitely provide a static map if that's

1250
02:25:37,590 --> 02:25:41,120
the the wish. Thank you, Chancellor LeBeau. Thank you, a follow-up. Thank you

1251
02:25:41,620 --> 02:25:43,480
for a follow-up from Mr. through you. So, and I do see the interactive road

1252
02:25:43,980 --> 02:25:46,888
construction map there as a link, but it's identified by street. So that is a

1253
02:25:47,388 --> 02:25:50,360
good tool if someone's really wondering, like, what's the status of their street. But I

1254
02:25:50,860 --> 02:25:54,960
think that, like, for me, the 2024

1255
02:25:55,460 --> 02:25:59,160
capital accomplishment and the 2025 construction map with the visual is

1256
02:25:59,660 --> 02:26:03,200
all-encompassing for all awards at one at

1257
02:26:03,700 --> 02:26:07,720
one time, and it's a very simple visual graphic that

1258
02:26:08,220 --> 02:26:12,320
I think will be easier for most

1259
02:26:12,820 --> 02:26:15,160
residents if they were to be inquiring.

1260
02:26:16,360 --> 02:26:20,280
So, yeah, I'm just wondering if you were to create that since

1261
02:26:20,780 --> 02:26:24,180
those projects in 2025 were completed, what a timeline might be

1262
02:26:24,680 --> 02:26:28,280
for us as councillors to help start spreading the success stories and comparators

1263
02:26:28,780 --> 02:26:31,950
for year over year so that people can actually quantitatively all of the infrastructure

1264
02:26:32,450 --> 02:26:36,470
improvements that we have done in the last few years and that are going

1265
02:26:36,970 --> 02:26:39,150
to complete this four year term. Thank you. Thank you. For the comments. Yeah,

1266
02:26:39,650 --> 02:26:42,990
we can definitely produce a map and typically prior

1267
02:26:43,490 --> 02:26:46,950
to the start of the construction

1268
02:26:47,030 --> 02:26:50,990
season, we'll publish a new map so sometime in the next four to

1269
02:26:51,490 --> 02:26:54,830
six weeks. Perfect. Awesome. You follow up, Council Labe. We're good for

1270
02:26:55,330 --> 02:26:59,100
now. Yeah, I'm great. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you.

1271
02:26:59,180 --> 02:27:03,620
Next up, I had Councillor Sizer. Councillor Sizer, go ahead.

1272
02:27:04,120 --> 02:27:07,540
Thank you, your Worship, and through you, Mr. Velk, a little

1273
02:27:08,040 --> 02:27:11,900
bit more of a high level question

1274
02:27:12,400 --> 02:27:16,620
on regarding timelines is when this will start. I mean, these contracts

1275
02:27:17,120 --> 02:27:20,660
through yours have not been, have not been

1276
02:27:21,160 --> 02:27:24,970
led as of yet. They're not, Are they on

1277
02:27:25,470 --> 02:27:29,730
our website now or? Through the mayor to the councillor, the answer to

1278
02:27:30,230 --> 02:27:33,850
your question is no, it has not. We are

1279
02:27:34,350 --> 02:27:37,770
coming to council here tonight to get

1280
02:27:38,270 --> 02:27:42,410
hopefully approval to proceed and then some design work would follow in

1281
02:27:42,910 --> 02:27:48,090
preparation for those tender documents that you

1282
02:27:48,590 --> 02:27:52,360
suggested. Thank you. And I just, I was just wondering, and I know

1283
02:27:52,520 --> 02:27:55,960
you don't have, you haven't got a crystal ball

1284
02:27:56,760 --> 02:28:00,480
and we don't know who will be, who will be

1285
02:28:00,980 --> 02:28:04,519
bidding on, on these 3 contracts type of thing. But I was just

1286
02:28:05,019 --> 02:28:08,120
wondering, and maybe it's a lot along the lines as,

1287
02:28:08,620 --> 02:28:12,960
as Councillor Labi, is if we have a general start when we, the residents can

1288
02:28:13,460 --> 02:28:16,710
expect to see the construction. For these large spread patches, et cetera, to begin?

1289
02:28:17,210 --> 02:28:20,990
Through the mayor to Councillor Sizer, the idea is

1290
02:28:21,490 --> 02:28:25,110
to maximize the construction season. We're a little bit constrained by when the asphalt

1291
02:28:25,610 --> 02:28:29,190
plants open. My understanding is that the plants typically open second or

1292
02:28:29,690 --> 02:28:33,990
third week of May, and so that would

1293
02:28:34,490 --> 02:28:38,510
ideally be the start time as soon

1294
02:28:39,010 --> 02:28:43,460
as the asphalt plants are open that the work could start.

1295
02:28:43,960 --> 02:28:47,300
Okay, thank you because sorry through your worship.

1296
02:28:47,800 --> 02:28:51,980
Thanks Mr. Vilkel because that's we will be the residents will be

1297
02:28:52,480 --> 02:28:55,660
chomping at their to get at to find out when the

1298
02:28:56,160 --> 02:28:59,580
roads are going to be done on them.

1299
02:29:00,080 --> 02:29:03,340
So it's a great project. I'm glad we're going

1300
02:29:03,840 --> 02:29:07,350
forward with it and just If we get

1301
02:29:07,850 --> 02:29:12,070
it all done, I mean, I'd be

1302
02:29:12,570 --> 02:29:16,590
happy. Well, we all, we all, Councillor. Okay, from that, I have Councillor Fortin.

1303
02:29:17,710 --> 02:29:21,510
Go ahead. Thank you and through you,

1304
02:29:22,010 --> 02:29:26,590
Chair. Well, I've been very vocal about how excited I am about this

1305
02:29:27,070 --> 02:29:30,390
and I'd be remiss that I forgot Mr. Roca, our Director

1306
02:29:30,890 --> 02:29:33,920
of Infrastructure. On all his work that he's been doing with the rest of the

1307
02:29:34,420 --> 02:29:36,880
staff. So that's fantastic. And I just wanted to mention that I didn't think this

1308
02:29:37,380 --> 02:29:40,920
story could get any better until tonight when I heard that we're going

1309
02:29:41,420 --> 02:29:43,800
from 3 million a year to 10 million a year on this project.

1310
02:29:44,360 --> 02:29:47,679
So when all the people call and say, what about

1311
02:29:48,179 --> 02:29:51,760
Miro? What about Miro? There is a possibility their

1312
02:29:52,260 --> 02:29:54,160
road is actually coming. So it's very exciting.

1313
02:29:54,660 --> 02:29:57,440
And thank you for all the hard work. It's appreciated.

1314
02:29:57,670 --> 02:30:01,110
Thank you, yes, it's not just one,

1315
02:30:01,610 --> 02:30:05,270
it's annually from now on. Okay, I have others, I see Councillor

1316
02:30:05,430 --> 02:30:08,390
Leduc, you have your hand up again? Oh, sorry,

1317
02:30:08,890 --> 02:30:12,990
I have Councillor McIntosh and then I'll get Councillor Leduc

1318
02:30:13,490 --> 02:30:17,470
after that. Councillor McIntosh? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'd like

1319
02:30:17,970 --> 02:30:21,150
to start by saying thank you again for this report. It is a good news

1320
02:30:21,650 --> 02:30:25,000
story and that the ward lines, the word map lines are

1321
02:30:25,500 --> 02:30:29,000
just lines on a map. And I sleep in ward

1322
02:30:29,500 --> 02:30:33,200
nine, but I shop, I work and I play all over the city.

1323
02:30:33,700 --> 02:30:36,960
And I'm also really happy to see MR35 getting done because I have

1324
02:30:37,460 --> 02:30:40,560
to drive it. I drive a lot of the roads. I'm on Lawrence Street,

1325
02:30:41,060 --> 02:30:45,840
MR55, MR24. I've been talking about these roads and this is a good news story

1326
02:30:45,920 --> 02:30:49,850
for everybody. It's not just about the roads

1327
02:30:50,490 --> 02:30:54,410
in my ward. So my question through you to Mr.

1328
02:30:54,910 --> 02:30:58,330
Vilko, none of the projects

1329
02:30:58,490 --> 02:31:02,130
are being cancelled. There are no projects being cancelled.

1330
02:31:02,630 --> 02:31:06,850
They are being rescoped and reprioritized. Could you tell

1331
02:31:07,350 --> 02:31:10,330
us which, like, what you mean by rescoped and reprioritized? Everything,

1332
02:31:11,210 --> 02:31:14,240
we've already approved the four year capital budget.

1333
02:31:14,390 --> 02:31:18,070
You have to come to us

1334
02:31:18,570 --> 02:31:21,430
to take anything off that list. It's on there now, it's not coming off.

1335
02:31:21,930 --> 02:31:25,070
I am aware, so if you could just speak to,

1336
02:31:25,570 --> 02:31:29,470
perhaps, you have a list here, but it didn't say in the report

1337
02:31:29,970 --> 02:31:32,550
which ones are being rescopEd or reprioritized and which ones are finished, et cetera.

1338
02:31:33,590 --> 02:31:36,870
Perhaps you could just speak to that first. Thank you.

1339
02:31:37,430 --> 02:31:41,140
Thank you. Savilko? Yeah, through the mayor to the councillor, I can, definitely do that.

1340
02:31:41,640 --> 02:31:45,500
So if I'm looking at appendix A and maybe starting from the

1341
02:31:46,000 --> 02:31:49,420
bottom, the first one being large asphalt patch

1342
02:31:49,920 --> 02:31:53,740
contract costs. So basically that is that 2.7

1343
02:31:54,240 --> 02:31:57,780
million dollars was allocated for exactly what we're doing. So we're redistributing

1344
02:31:58,280 --> 02:32:04,940
those funds, taking out of there and putting it in so

1345
02:32:05,440 --> 02:32:06,550
that it's basically a net out, so 2.7 nets out. The next one above it,

1346
02:32:07,050 --> 02:32:12,990
Second Avenue, Bancroft to Kenwood, that isn't being cancelled,

1347
02:32:13,490 --> 02:32:17,910
it's just being reprioritized.

1348
02:32:18,410 --> 02:32:22,866
There's some property acquisition that is required to complete that scope

1349
02:32:23,366 --> 02:32:25,790
of work and without that property we're not prepared to proceed, so we're reprioritizing that

1350
02:32:26,290 --> 02:32:30,070
to a future year. The work still needs to be done,

1351
02:32:30,570 --> 02:32:34,600
it just it wouldn't get done this year given that property acquisition issue.

1352
02:32:35,100 --> 02:32:38,840
So we highlighted that here and reprioritized the

1353
02:32:38,920 --> 02:32:44,700
dollars that were allocated in 2026, recognising we'll,

1354
02:32:45,200 --> 02:32:48,800
we'll do that in a future year. The next one up, the Garson

1355
02:32:49,300 --> 02:32:54,480
Coniston, which is 5 and 1/2 million, we looked at. So the budget,

1356
02:32:54,980 --> 02:32:56,760
if you refer to the budget, there's, there was 5 and 1/2 million allocated.

1357
02:32:57,180 --> 02:33:00,780
For 2026 and another 8 million allocated in in 2027. And so having

1358
02:33:01,280 --> 02:33:04,540
a new look at this road and

1359
02:33:05,040 --> 02:33:09,700
what, what is required, we reviewed with the team and deemed that

1360
02:33:10,200 --> 02:33:13,460
although that section of Road does need work,

1361
02:33:13,960 --> 02:33:18,980
we thought we could get another year of it

1362
02:33:19,480 --> 02:33:24,130
in its current state and tackle that with the

1363
02:33:24,630 --> 02:33:28,050
$8 million that has been already budgeted for 2027. So again,

1364
02:33:28,550 --> 02:33:32,530
freeing up those dollars this year while we postpone that work and utilise

1365
02:33:33,030 --> 02:33:37,381
the $8 million in 2027. Working through the other

1366
02:33:37,479 --> 02:33:41,490
values there, those are projects that either have

1367
02:33:43,170 --> 02:33:49,570
been now deemed complete and we

1368
02:33:50,070 --> 02:33:54,490
can reallocation of those funds because the projects

1369
02:33:54,990 --> 02:33:59,050
are complete and they actually came in under budget. And there's a couple

1370
02:33:59,550 --> 02:34:03,050
of them there that there's some contractual issues that again the money was

1371
02:34:03,550 --> 02:34:07,170
being in held because of contracts were on hold and so we've just redistributed

1372
02:34:07,670 --> 02:34:11,290
those dollars here. Thank you. Just in follow

1373
02:34:11,790 --> 02:34:16,220
up to that, the ones that have not like the well,

1374
02:34:16,720 --> 02:34:20,620
those two, number 12 and number 13, Garson Coniston Road and Second Avenue, they were

1375
02:34:21,120 --> 02:34:24,860
in the budget. We budgeted back in 2023. You developed the

1376
02:34:25,360 --> 02:34:28,900
budget for 2024 to 2027 in 2023. And I

1377
02:34:29,400 --> 02:34:32,020
was speaking to the Mr.

1378
02:34:32,520 --> 02:34:36,220
Racco about the adjustment from 13.5 million down

1379
02:34:36,720 --> 02:34:40,660
to 8 million for Garson Coniston. And they said, well, they had

1380
02:34:41,160 --> 02:34:44,870
to I don't think they use the word crystal ball, but I'll

1381
02:34:45,370 --> 02:34:48,750
use the word crystal ball to determine what the cost is going to

1382
02:34:49,250 --> 02:34:52,750
be four years from now. And of course that's going

1383
02:34:53,250 --> 02:34:56,670
to happen. And I still would, the four-year capital planning is a good exercise.

1384
02:34:57,170 --> 02:35:00,950
It is good for us to plan and to show the public what's

1385
02:35:01,450 --> 02:35:04,430
coming over four years. That's what we decided three years ago.

1386
02:35:04,930 --> 02:35:08,110
But this process that we're in now, and I guess my question question through you

1387
02:35:08,610 --> 02:35:10,203
to Ms. Lichterman or Ms. Karpenko is our policy will be going forward to look

1388
02:35:10,703 --> 02:35:14,670
at, even though we have a four-year budget, it's not

1389
02:35:15,170 --> 02:35:18,510
set in stone and I hope

1390
02:35:19,070 --> 02:35:22,270
that we will have a policy in place. We will revisit our

1391
02:35:22,770 --> 02:35:26,710
capital budget on an annual basis. We're not going to find

1392
02:35:27,210 --> 02:35:28,910
$21 million every year, but, you know, we will look at this on an annual

1393
02:35:29,410 --> 02:35:32,870
basis to determine surpluses

1394
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that need to pulled back into uncommitted reserves versus committed reserves. I think

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that was one of the questions earlier was about where the money came from

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and why was it sitting there. It was sitting in

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committed funds and now we're moving it over to uncommitted. It's not like the money

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was hiding somewhere. We're just reclassifying

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it so that we can use it for other things. I think that's a simple

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way to look at it. Yeah, so I guess if you

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could comment on that and the idea of a policy going

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forward on an annual basis, thank you. Thank you. Thank you through

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the mayor to Councillor McIntosh. So it has

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been the practice to do this annual review, however I will

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say our experience has been that,

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you know, the systems we have in place made this review very challenging, made it

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more difficult to keep up with the status of all of the capital projects.

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Part of the new budget software that you recently approved will

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allow us to track each project individually,

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have both finance and the operational teams have access to the project. And so

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it is my intention that internally we

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are actually doing a quarterly review checking in on

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all of these capital projects. But that we would do more like an annual or

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a biannual report out to council

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where, yes, we need your authority if we're going to

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move money around, if we're going to cancel a project,

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reprioritize things. And so it is our intention to

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bring that kind of transparency forward, and I think it will be

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done much more thoroughly and efficiently by leveraging the new system that we plan to

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put in place this

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year. Thank you. Okay, I got, do you want,

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to go before you? Okay, go ahead.

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Thank you. Just remembered my question.

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I wrote it down this time.

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Perfect. Good. We talk about how staff picks and staff picks and

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staff picks. So, but staff, if I'm

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has a policy guidance that council

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approved. So I'm just wondering if we can have

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staff confirm that they do have a specific policy that was

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council endorsed that they follow to do this selection of

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road afterwards. Thank you. Mr. Rocco. Mr. Rocco. And Joe through you, Mr. Mayor.

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Yes. 100% as a good engineer, I always rely on a scientific method

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because these are the difficult conversations we have about how to prioritize work.

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For road rehabilitation projects, we collect pavement condition data on a two-year basis.

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Every second year we collect pavement condition data. That helps us guide

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us to select not only

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what roads are in bad condition, but what roads are in a condition

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that should be worked on right now. If you recall back to our conversation about

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the Roads and Transportation Asset Management Plan, we had that nice colourful graph with the