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Let's reflect on all 7 members of council are present.

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Item number three is reports or council members.

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Are there any reports tonight?

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Attorney Oldson

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Thank You, ma'am.

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I'm going to do a merge update. I know there's a lot of consternation, a lot of people out there

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wondering where merge is, are we going to deliver merge? So I'm going to have read after this,

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can you send this memo to the rest of the council. But we have our monthly meetings and we're

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just making a lot of progress, but I sort of wanted to highlight some of the things that have been

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done in the last six months that probably should have been done over the last two years.

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Governance established, the charter creating clear direction, project team assembly now with

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C.Dont managing the project for us, setting out all up to a pretty significant hand with

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Greeley staff on us on how we're going to manage it.

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Design is advancing, design task order, I think was implemented like three months ago, two

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and a half months ago, so the line project goals, they're looking at the design and they're

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starting to move it forward.

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They have a cost range update, they refresh all the project costs, kind of start to scratch

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CMG, C selection, general manager contractor was interviewed last week and they should

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be having somebody on board, so when you get a contractor on board things start to move

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a little bit faster.

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Financing framework drafted, federal grant executed, the raise grant, over the next few months

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they're going to start doing value and constructability, so they're going to start trying to optimize the project.

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Bring builders on board, so whoever the contractor is will come on board, start working through the CMGC process to optimize project.

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30% design, advance environmental review.

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There is an environmental assessment that has to be done to meet the Colorado and federal rules.

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So they're working on that. See that's actually doing the environmental assessment for us.

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Engagement in the community and informed decision-makers.

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So keeping things moving, keeping greedy officials, leaders abreast.

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Looking ahead, increase cost certainly.

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You don't want to get too far out ahead and get too few alone before you need it.

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So it's like an 18-month process, but that'll be the final payments when we get down there

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that will be paying for the construction.

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Complete environmental clearance, the EA, and then moving to construction and constructions

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looking like some time starting late 27. So it is moving. I promise you.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Just briefly had the opportunity to take a museum tour by some of the museum

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staff as well as friends of Greeley Museum. Pretty, too cool, pretty exhibits going on right now.

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Highly encourage our community to take advantage of. One is the our history, our voice. Mexican-American

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history project of Greeley. Of course, that fantastic organization just released a book that is

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highlight it in that exhibit and then the one that I found pretty interesting as well

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was the 13-minute warning, Weld County in the Atomic Age. So, highly encouraged community

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members, get out, support our local museums and see those two pretty cool exhibits. Also,

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unfortunately, City Manager McBroom could be here this evening. He is still probably mostly

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shameful, but they ended that in a brat. I'm sorry, Michigan football game this weekend and

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we'll have to catch up with him next week and just give him the ribbing that he's so

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reachedly deserves. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Anyone else?

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Okay. Then we will move on to item number 4,

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which is North Range Metropolitan Planning Organization, Air Quality Council Executive Director

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updates. We have Hannah Friedman, Senior Transportation Planning Manager, and Elizabeth Ralford,

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from the North Front Range Executive Director.

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Welcome to you both.

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Thank you, Mayor and Council.

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Great to see you all.

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My name's Hannah Feldman.

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I'm our Senior Transportation Planning Manager

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here at the City of Greeley.

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And I would just like to introduce Elizabeth Rillford.

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She's the Executive Director

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of the North Front Range Metropolitan Planning Organization.

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The NFR MPO for some background

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is the federally designated transportation

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for the urban portions of Lairmer and Weld counties.

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It brings together the 15 local governments, including the City of Greeley to coordinate

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regional transportation planning and help direct state and federal transportation funding

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to priority projects.

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So with that, take it away.

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Thank you so much, Hannah.

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While they're pulling on my presentation, I'd be remiss if I didn't acknowledge Hannah's

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great work as the Technical Advisory Committee representative on behalf of the City of Greeley

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and Councilman Olson who represents as your member representative for the North

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Front Range MPO. You don't really have a choice. You have to be a part of the

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MPO because you're federally designated in a census district. So thank you

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for participating in our organization. I really appreciate it. I was asked to

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come today and spend a few moments. Really I want to personally invite you all to be

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able to attend our Inter-Mountain West Ozone Conference that we are partnering with

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Pike's Becaria Council of Government to host.

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Transportation doesn't always hear about the air quality side but our organization

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is also federally mandated to do the air quality planning for Northern Colorado as well.

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So we are hosting a conference and we are inviting you and included in the presentation tonight

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tonight is just some information about the conference and making ourselves available

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to answer any questions that you might have about it.

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And we appreciate this public forum so that the public would know that they're invited

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to participate and attend as well.

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Our Inter-Mountain West Conference, this is just kind of a highlight of what we're going

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I'm going to touch face on from an agenda perspective.

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So why is a transportation organization having an air quality conference?

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And that was essentially the question that some of the researchers in air quality planners were asking, we don't understand why the North Front Range and why Pike Security Council of Governments is doing in air quality.

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But what we found is we had many partners across the Inter-Mountain West and other states, Arizona, Utah, New Mexico, Nevada, who were experiencing similar situations to air quality not responding to.

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what we were seeing in our region, just because we have similar issues.

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And so we had started meeting with them 10 years ago.

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We actually had a dose on conference in 2016 that the North Front Range participated

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on having these similar conversations of what is happening in our Inter-Mountain West communities

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and are you guys experiencing the same issues that we're experiencing?

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And it turns out that they are, and they are doing their own research.

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And so, we're going to essentially bring together these other agencies, and the slide, you

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know, I don't expect you to be able to necessarily understand it.

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But the gist of this slide is that since 2011, the bars, the dark gray and light gray bars,

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they continue to go down.

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Those are all of our control strategies that our state has implemented since 2011, where

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we have been improving our air quality and those other colored line graphs above it are

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our ozone in the other states for Colorado, for Utah, for Arizona, Las Vegas area.

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And what's happening is our ozone isn't correlating to the reduction of our precursors,

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our ozone precursors.

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So, we're trying to understand how we continue to improve our, have all these different

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controls, strategies that are reducing our man-made precursors, but our ozone is not correlating

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or having that same correlating effect to reducing.

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And so what we're doing is we're bringing all of these other agencies together to talk

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about why are, what's going on that we're all reducing our man-made ozone precursors

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that our ozone is not responding, what's going on in all of our regions.

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And does it make sense if we all have our scientists researching the same information,

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or could we be more of an economy scale and figure out how we could tag team different

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research to find different solutions that would help the entire region?

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So that's essentially our goal.

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It's a very broad audience that we're really targeting in this effort.

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everybody is invited. We are essentially trying to set up the ability where people can ask

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questions and bring all of our scientists together. So there's been great research that

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has been occurring over the last, even just three years, five years. Bring these scientists

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together and talk to us about the data that they're finding with all of their research.

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And so, not just Colorado, but in our Utah, Arizona, because we are seeing similar situations.

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And so our goals essentially are to have that conversation to talk about the challenges

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that we see with ozone and why we're not able to meet our ozone standards.

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I don't know how familiar everybody is with the Clean Air Act.

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It's very complicated.

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These are not just easy conversations to have air quality, like a lot of other topics

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gets very technical very quick.

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So day one, the intent is to do a high level, just education about air quality 101.

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What is the next, the National Ambient Air Quality Standard?

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What is the Clean Air Act?

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What standards do we have to do our air quality planning at?

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why does our standard keep changing?

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And while some of these things are just fact-based

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and data-driven, the intent of the conference is

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not to debate the ozone health effects

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or the regulations because they are what they are

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and that would be an entirely different conference

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if we just had a conference where we're debating

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that kind of information.

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This is really about what is going on,

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what is the data that we have right now that we're trying to understand so that elected officials

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who are asked to sit on our organization and have to make policy decisions and recommendations.

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How are we equipping our elected officials, our local governments with the tools they need to be

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able to be informed and speak into these complicated matters? Day two is to bring in our scientists.

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So we've got scientists coming from all over, from BYU, from CSU, from CU, from Arizona.

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So this again is going to be scientists who are really, this is the data they're getting

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grants for to get, you know, the information to us.

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So what's the latest data that's out there?

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What are we hearing?

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What do we do with this information?

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You know, are we are scientists doing the same research that the scientists in Utah are doing or are they finding different things?

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The scientists don't have enough time to get together and actually talk about what all of their data is showing.

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And so what we did is we asked them to put together abstracts.

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And these abstracts are essentially formed to the agenda that we're going to be talking about as part of the conference.

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We received 61 abstracts from all over the Inter-Mountain West.

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It was, I think, a very positive number of scientists that are submitting their projects

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and everything they're working on.

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We're also going to do a poster session.

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Of those 61 abstracts, basically that turned into almost 90 speakers over a three-day period.

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So this three-day period, oh, I'm going the wrong way, sorry, let me go back.

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This three days is jammed packed.

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So if you come and you can only make one day,

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I at least wanted you to show what we're looking at over those three days.

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The first day is the Air Quality 101, second day is the research data,

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and the third day is really the public health communication aspect side of it.

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So we have a lot of data out there that gets communicated on the health of our air

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and it's all coming from different data sources

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and every agency is using something different.

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And so how are we communicating what,

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which data source is the public supposed to listen to?

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How do they know which one is accurate?

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When we have a message coming out and saying,

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hey, your air is bad, where is that data coming from?

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How is it getting communicated?

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Because we do know that there is a health,

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there is a definite health effect with ozone.

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And we've also seen that we haven't been able to, you know, affect the change at the

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rate that we would want based on the standards that we have to meet.

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So we're in this kind of, you know, in-between area, we're doing everything we can do.

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The ozone isn't responding, but we also care about our citizens' health and that they're

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breathing good air.

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So this conference is to bring all those conversations together and really talk about, okay, what are

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the next steps that we should be focusing funding on and I'm really happy to say as part

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of this one we did receive an air quality enterprise grant of $300,000 to be able to help

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I'll pass that the-

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We think this is about a $700,000 conference, so it's not even half, but we are relying on registration fees to help with this. But what you see up here is that we are also offering scholarships and stipends. So people would be able to come and participate. We know there's a lot of nonprofits and local governments that can't always afford to participate in conferences. So if you do sign up and come, your agency could ask for up to $1,500 in scholarships.

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to be able to participate in a tent and we're looking at approximately $300 a person for government nonprofit agencies, 400 for industry and we think late registration would start about October 5th.

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So register sooner than later.

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We have the QR code to the registration site, and this is who's putting this on.

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We are a small but mighty team, and this is a grassroots effort.

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We are not hiring other people, we're doing this internally, and I just a shout out to

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the planning team.

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They've spent a lot of time really trying to facilitate and put this together.

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our abstract review committees made up from people like I said from all of those other communities

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and states that participate in the selection of the abstracts that they think is going

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to help talk about the program the most you know like day two we're talking about wildfires

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we're you know I would just recommend go to the website we have the program up on the website

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Intermountain West actually that's totally and that's a lie.

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It's ozone exchange dot org. We just created a new website specifically for the conference and for the ability to be able to put all of this information going forward that comes out of the conference.

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So we we hope you can attend. We hope you can be part of the conversation and thank you Councilman Nelson for inviting me. I appreciate it.

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Did it? Any questions?

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I have more of a...

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I don't want to ask questions.

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More of the statements.

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Elizabeth has our executive directors done an outstanding job

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moving us from an organization of not just doing but actually planning and looking ahead.

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since on this whole idea was there's a lot of states,

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including Colorado in the Norfolk range,

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that we can't clean our air.

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We, about 68% of its transport comes in from somewhere else.

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38% is actually created in Colorado,

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but we're held to those higher numbers.

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Mariposa, is that where it was?

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and got some exemptions from trying to hit the regulations.

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Even the rack mic from the rack, he does presentations and he came in about a year ago and he had a presentation and it said basically if you removed every vehicle and Colorado never to drive again, just person buggy, we still wouldn't meet it.

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We wouldn't meet the Arizona requirements today in our area.

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So, even if you removed every single vehicle, we would never meet the requirements of the

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EPA to be below, which tells you a little bit about where we're at.

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It's really different for the state of Colorado because of our hopes, hopes in the front

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range, and Elizabeth and her team, and Anna's loves them.

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We don't talk enough, I tell her all the time, but she represents us well.

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But there's a bigger issue to this than just, not on the Colorado.

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It is a regulatory nightmare, and we have to remember everything that the air quality commission or

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rack implements in the state of Colorado, it affects all of us in terms of cost.

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This is not an affordability program.

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Air quality is not affordability program.

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It's probably, it has cost us significant amount of dollars over the years, every citizen

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and every person.

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So there's a affordability thing that makes it difficult for businesses, for people to

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live here and these requirements that we've been putting upon people aren't working.

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And they put all, every time it's federal law, we have to develop something.

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We have to develop strategies, and we keep developing these strategies, and it's just not

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not affecting the Arizona or ozone and the particulates in our air, which you're causing cost to our citizens.

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So, I would recommend people that want to learn about air quality to go to this conference.

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I probably won't be attending because my daughter's going to be having her baby on one of those days, and that's more important to me than all of these.

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But thank you very much.

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staff is welcome to.

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Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, the, um,

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Johnny and brought up a good point that I was going to ask because you were talking about how we,

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we made all these measures and then we flatlined. And I feel like we get into the point where we're,

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our energy costs are going asymptotic because of the decisions that are states making about energy.

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And at what point, if we're at flatlining and we're not making any improvements, does

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the conversations switch away from a, we've met as much as we can, let's stop putting

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the pressure on cost of energy because to me, if you ask the average citizen, they feel

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like the air is clean enough to flatline their electrical bill, they'd probably be okay

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with flatlining their electrical bill at this point.

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As any of those conversations came about where we've done, like Johnny said, we've done enough.

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Now let's talk about how we've continued this flatline going forward and make energy cheaper.

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I would say there has been conversation in the sense that we do have, let me

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say back, the Clean Air Act hasn't had a full revamp since 1990.

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So the standards that Councilman Olson's referring to is a timing issue with our state.

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So if we are not attaining, they are automatically ramping us up to the next level.

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And it reaches a point where once you get to extreme, then they step in and they say this is where your funding is going in your state.

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Similar to transportation does the same thing.

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If transfer is seeded, it isn't maintaining the roads at a, you know, good, fair, if

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they have 5% go below poor, then the feds step in and say, where you have to spend your

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money to repair your roads, air quality is the same.

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So we haven't had a revision of the regulatory standard.

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I would say the conference that we're having is to maybe more have the education about

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what you're talking about if this is how it's affecting everyday people.

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You could almost have a separate conference on the regulatory environment with really

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we need to revisit, you know, if the Intermountain West is seeing a very similar response to

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ozone levels, not reducing based on topography, meteorology, international transport, things

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like that.

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Then there's things beyond the control of our region that the standard is never going

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to meet.

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And so that's where we right now, we have to, I would say if you're wanting to support

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some change, we have two acts that have gone through the, they're at the federal level,

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two bills that have been introduced, one's called the Fire Act and the other's called the Fence's

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Act. And the Fence's Act is about foreign emissions and non-attainment clarification for economic

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stability. And that house resolution essentially is to amend the Clean Air Act to talk about international

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transport in the sense of

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from an economic perspective. And so those are, they've passed the house,

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they have not passed the Senate. The other one, the Fire Act is Representative Gabe Evansville,

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he's a co-sponsor, and it's also bipartisan. It has passed the house and is at the Senate.

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And I imagine none of this is going to get picked up until after the election.

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But there are some opportunities from an elected official level.

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I don't know where our senators are at with these bills, but it would be good.

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I would say if there's a difference you want to make, that might be a good start to say,

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hey, where are you guys at with these bills that are going through Congress to really help us understand

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And the difference that it can make because we have the Clean Air Act as one standard for

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our entire United States.

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We are all held to the same exact standard.

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And I think what we're seeing in the Intermountain West with all of our other states is we have

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very different topography with our mountains and our jet stream that is affecting our ability

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for the air flow to happen the same way it might in the Midwest and in the East.

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so, you know, does a one size fit all necessarily make sense? I don't know, I think that that would be some of the recommendations that we need people like local government officials to come and speak to to say, yeah, as a local government, what are we supposed to be doing?

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How are we supposed to be making a difference when the standard is a one size fits all and our, you know, we're doing everything we can in our control to affect change and we're not getting the results that we're looking for.

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I think that's hearing those voices from you guys is way more powerful than a staff person sitting at a table saying you know

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What do you guys want to do? Not for me because they hear from me every month. So there's just for fences at fences acts

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It's HR6409 and then the buyer act is HR6387. Okay

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Sounds good. Thank you

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Okay, any other questions?

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questions? Okay, thank you. Thank you.

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Moving on to item number five, automated license plate

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recognition and drones. Added and purged police chief and Tony Catherius Commander,

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welcome.

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Good evening.

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Okay. Good evening, Mayor and Council. With me tonight is Commander Tony Gutierrez,

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who oversees our real time information center along with the responsibilities of the well

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kind of drug task force. Behind me in the far back row of the chambers is Sean Reinhardt,

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our police legal advisor from the City Attorney's Office, Judge Gonzales, and then Sergeant

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Greg Reinhand is behind us as our subject matter expert when it comes to more detailed questions

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that you may have. The purpose tonight is to provide an overview of the police department's current

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use of automated license plate readers, our drones, and drones as first responder program.

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This presentation is in response to Council's initiative requesting more information about

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flock license plate readers and police drone technology.

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We're going to begin our program overview of ALPR automated license plate readers and

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the specific vendors we use.

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We're going to address flock safety, including both local use and broader issues currently

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being discussed nationally.

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and then I'll close with our transparency efforts and where the public can find more information.

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So I'm going to do a real high-level overview of how we got here today with our real-time

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information center.

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In 2023, after being appointed the police chief, we formed a project team to start researching

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real-time information centers or crime centers around the country to find out best practices

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and which model would be most applicable to public safety in Greeley. In May of 2023,

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Council had an initiative and tasked the police department to come back at a work session to discuss

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available technology for enforcement when it comes to noise, red light cameras, and speed cameras.

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commanders. Commander Heck and I did the presentation in May of 2023. We brought back a lengthy

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presentation with available technology when it comes to enforcement regarding noise,

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red lights and speed cameras. Just a quick overview, the noise technology enforcement was not at a

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place structurally or with the technology to actually incorporate. There were some pilot programs

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being done in Longmont, they didn't like it, so Council decided by consensus not to move forward

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with the noise technology enforcement. Council at the time also chose and gave us direction

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not to move forward with red light cameras in the city of Greeley. There was consensus from Council

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for us to move forward with mobile speed enforcement, hence our two photo radar vans that we have deployed

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throughout the city with seasonal part-time workers.

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In March of 2024, we did a council work session presentation of the real-time information

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center, the mission and vision, and how we saw it being used, all of our technology being

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leveraged and used proactively in the city of really.

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We came to council, a wish-time council appropriate at $2.3 million from our current 0.16 public safety

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tax fund, and this was for start-up costs and operational costs.

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No general fund money were used other than Sergeant Ryan Salary and Benefits as he oversees

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the real-time information center.

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In September of 2024, we applied for and received a $300,000 Department of Justice grant, which

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paid for two years of our software fuses, which is our single pane of glass that we use

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in our real-time information center that ingests and displays all of the technology currently

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available to our real-time information center.

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That's what that money was used for. In 2024, we negotiated a contract with flock safety for license plate readers and for our raven system that we'll discuss. And this money came out of that original council appropriation. As a result of some savings from the remodel, we had planned to build our real-time information center and the annex building next to the police department. But due to some

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incentive priority,

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Audit, Anybt,

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I meant for the tick missed on blot species to converse in.

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to be the only entry point to be able to also get to a virtual portal and to get to a virtual

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time to do that or process, but some of the progress that I've done is a little down

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We're all with communication, so you can get to some other key, we can help out a lot in the

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community.

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to talk all kinds of really good about the privacy.

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And if you're that moving, the point is to say reader who

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remains in stock and the last year.

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if you're made of the same thing or public safety,

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go vote that you're being

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so long.

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You can't use it all.

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about how in 20 percent bill and

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subletment

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be used the most day.

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for

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safety of the COVID-19 system.

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This is just a little bit of the phrase

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and what's different from how the COVID-19

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We need to take our youngest one and

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team box

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that there is no

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room for many federal agencies

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and these children that are in the care of remains.

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And we sure, I suppose, what we have to say is

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that there are some cases where we need to

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that I would support the other teams in the United States,

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so they have the same ability to help the other teams.

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We retain record groups, and we cannot share the other

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law enforcement agencies.

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That is a strict law enforcement commitment

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to the state patrol groups, and the state-owned states

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and the most important potentials in the United States.

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So I'm going to give you a list of examples

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for the data on where the standard is the top

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picture to see is a double-term and a full state.

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A lot of what I've produced is the data.

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So, the 6th step is the facial recognition, full generous.

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and the cumulative costs before paying an employee's action.

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Commonly used hot lists include stolen vehicles, wanted individuals, amber, silver, or Medina

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alerts, and other case-specific searches involving individuals associated with vehicles identified

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as suspects or subjects in criminal activity.

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ALPR alerts are treated as investigative leads, not as automatic enforcement decisions.

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Really PD currently has policy in place for ALPR use and ALPR records release which have been provided to you in the blue folders.

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Really PD currently has two areas where flock Raven aka gunshot detectors are located.

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Each area is approximately a quarter mile wide and has devices to capture the sounds of gunshots.

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It would be extremely expensive for us to equip the city approximately 49 sperm miles with these raven devices.

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So based upon data, we selected two quarter mile areas that had the highest number of reports of shots fired in 2025.

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Since we went live with the ravens in November of 2025, we have evaluated our return on investment on this pilot program.

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The data we have received is not support renewal or continued use once our contract ends.

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Recent damage to several Raven sensors has left us with only one area covered.

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We have never captured voices or audio stress calls on these Raven devices.

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We never had the ability to do so from the beginning or now.

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Next slide, please.

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Release,

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release, FOX safety, Raven, I'm sorry,

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Greeley, FOX safety and record A, let me get on the right

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slide here.

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Can I have it?

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All right.

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Release, FOX safety and record ALPRs have a 30-day data

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retention period.

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Data is used for law enforcement purposes only in its own

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by the Greeley Police Department.

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Data is never sold to third parties, as the chief mentioned.

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Any official ALPR use user who accesses information requires

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As far as a valid reason for search, case number and offense type, he or she is investigating.

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Every keystroke and access is logged and tracked.

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So you can see in the lighter box of blue, every time a play is searched, the user must

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provide an offense type, a case number, and a reason.

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The prohibited uses of ALPRs include immigration enforcement, most traffic enforcement, harassment,

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personal use, and use based solely on a protected class.

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We say most traffic enforcement because we do utilize ALPR technology for

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hit-and-run accidents, felony eluding cases, careless and reckless driving,

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because the drop-down options available oftentimes traffic infraction is

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selected. These restrictions are important because they define what the

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technology is not for. Really PD currently has 94 total employees with access to

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flock. Out of the 94 employees, 82 are active users meaning they have logged in and

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00:39:46,850 --> 00:39:48,470
searched within the past 90 days.

451
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:51,930
Those users include both sworn and non sworn officers,

452
00:39:52,690 --> 00:39:55,570
non sworn include our real-time information technicians,

453
00:39:56,550 --> 00:40:00,030
our civilian investigators as well,

454
00:40:02,140 --> 00:40:02,960
sort of like chief.

455
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:04,800
All right, next slide, please.

456
00:40:06,660 --> 00:40:10,900
So I want to talk about the current issues facing flock safety.

457
00:40:11,940 --> 00:40:15,240
There's been significant national attention on flock safety

458
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:17,520
and the ALPR program is more broadly.

459
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:24,840
The major themes are data sharing, privacy, who can access the data, and how local governments

460
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,840
maintain control over the technology.

461
00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:32,480
Some communities have raised concerns about whether ALPR data can be used beyond the original

462
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:33,980
local public safety purpose.

463
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:40,140
Law has publicly stated that their customers control their data sharing relationships, and

464
00:40:40,140 --> 00:40:45,760
that data is not shared without customer authorization, except were required by law,

465
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:50,180
law, search warrant, subpoena, legal process or emergency circumstances.

466
00:40:51,110 --> 00:40:56,800
For really, the key takeaway is that local government matters along with the focus on victims.

467
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:03,880
We have clear policies, restricted access, documented justifications, retention limits,

468
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:05,140
audit logs.

469
00:41:05,620 --> 00:41:10,940
We comply with state law, and we continue to work with ongoing public transparency.

470
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:17,960
We have no federal agents who are users of our FOX system, nor can any federal agent

471
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,400
log into our FOX system under our credentials.

472
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:25,310
Next slide.

473
00:41:27,540 --> 00:41:31,300
I'd like to now provide a high level look at some of our ALPR statistics over the past

474
00:41:31,300 --> 00:41:32,180
four and a half years.

475
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:37,660
Our ALPR supports serious felony cases such as homicides, kidnappings, attempted murder,

476
00:41:38,020 --> 00:41:43,140
arson shootings, robbery, aggravated assaults, felony menacing, and felony alluding.

477
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:49,580
ALPRs have assisted in identifying vehicles, locating suspects, and supporting rapid apprehension

478
00:41:49,580 --> 00:41:54,760
of suspects, including 19 arrests and the arrests of 31 individuals associated to stolen

479
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:55,200
vehicles.

480
00:41:55,980 --> 00:42:01,500
When it comes to gun violence, ALPR has assisted in eight shootings or shots fired investigations

481
00:42:01,500 --> 00:42:06,240
seven of which resulted in arrests and one generated an investigative lead.

482
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,540
ALPRs provide us better investigative leads.

483
00:42:09,540 --> 00:42:15,980
They turn partial plates, vehicle descriptions, images, and time stamps into suspect vehicle,

484
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,340
identifications, probable cause development, and valuable trial evidence.

485
00:42:21,420 --> 00:42:28,820
From 2024 to 2025, we saw 58% decrease in vehicle thefts, although we cannot make a direct

486
00:42:28,820 --> 00:42:34,640
nexus between the drop in stolen vehicles and ALPRs, and we believe ALPRs act as a deterrent

487
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,060
and assist in the recovery of citizens vehicles.

488
00:42:37,060 --> 00:42:40,580
Next slide, please.

489
00:42:43,780 --> 00:42:46,020
So we'll switch gears to the drone program.

490
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,900
In addition to ALPR, really PD uses

491
00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:52,260
Scadiomobile drones and Doc Scadiodrones

492
00:42:52,260 --> 00:42:55,020
as first responders, also known as DFRs,

493
00:42:55,300 --> 00:42:57,660
to improve our situational awareness.

494
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:01,900
Drones and DFRs provide us with timely information

495
00:43:01,900 --> 00:43:04,740
in situations where officer safety, public safety

496
00:43:04,740 --> 00:43:07,180
and rapid decision making are vital.

497
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,360
Common examples include critical active incidents

498
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:16,880
incidents, search operations, traffic crashes, large scenes, or rapidly evolving events.

499
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:22,260
The purpose of our day-of-art program is to improve response, gain real-time information

500
00:43:22,260 --> 00:43:25,040
for first responders, and reduce our uncertainty.

501
00:43:25,860 --> 00:43:29,300
As with ALPR's, drones are a tool to support decision-making.

502
00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:36,360
They're not a replacement for people, policy, supervision, or officer judgment.

503
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,620
We do not fly drones for general surveillance.

504
00:43:40,540 --> 00:43:45,020
Our drone and DEFR manuals dictate the type of calls we provide aerial support for, including

505
00:43:45,020 --> 00:43:50,280
calls involving public safety, police and fire calls, traffic accidents with injuries,

506
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:56,120
structured fires, wildland fires, missing persons at risk persons, disasters, and special events.

507
00:43:58,800 --> 00:43:59,360
Next slide, please.

508
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:08,680
We have four docked drones in the city of Greeley on four fire stations, fire station one downtown,

509
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,720
station 2 off Reservoir Road, station 4 off Highway 85 and

510
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:15,160
22nd Street and station 5 near center place.

511
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:20,860
The placement of our dock DFRs allows drones to respond quickly to priority calls and provide valuable

512
00:44:20,860 --> 00:44:25,920
strategic and safety information before first responders arrive or as they are arriving.

513
00:44:26,740 --> 00:44:31,000
DFRs on fire stations can arrive within 90 seconds to a call for service within

514
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,940
a one and a half mile radius of its dock.

515
00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:36,640
This response time can help determine whether a scene is active,

516
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:42,200
whether it's suspect, or suspect vehicle is present, whether a person is flamed, or whether

517
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,520
additional resources are needed both fire and police.

518
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:51,420
DFRs also help reduce unnecessary risk, which could lead to use as a force by giving

519
00:44:51,420 --> 00:44:55,480
officers better information before they enter a scene, thus allowing the officers to create

520
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,560
a plan or identify the need of additional resources and plan for de-escalation.

521
00:45:00,340 --> 00:45:06,060
Chief Turk has been providing biweekly updates to council on DFR stats involving our drone usage.

522
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,560
Our drones are often first unseen for priority calls when available.

523
00:45:11,020 --> 00:45:11,780
Next slide.

524
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,520
In addition to the four docked drones, we also have two portable scatio drones,

525
00:45:18,580 --> 00:45:25,720
which will be placed into the patrol sergeant's hands shortly. Real time information technicians

526
00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:31,020
can fly, and each of these drones both docked and portable upon request. We can also fly

527
00:45:31,020 --> 00:45:37,120
really fires portable drone. Field resources can deploy mobile drones and when a

528
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:42,460
dock drone is not the best option, street supervisors can take the mobile

529
00:45:42,460 --> 00:45:46,580
drone and place it out into the area and the real-time information center or

530
00:45:46,580 --> 00:45:51,160
certified DFR pilot can take over flying. Portable drones are useful for

531
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,640
instance outside the immediate docked area coverage when more localized

532
00:45:54,640 --> 00:46:00,200
deployment is needed. Portable drones are currently deployed within our patrol

533
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:06,220
division in sergeant vehicles, mobile drones provide flexibility for patrol, special operations,

534
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:11,520
critical incidents and other public safety needs. Together, docked and portable drones give the

535
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:17,440
department a more complete drone response capability. We have been increasingly using our DFR program

536
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,940
for fire and medical calls, giving fire leadership a better picture prior to their arrival.

537
00:46:22,620 --> 00:46:22,960
Next slide.

538
00:46:25,330 --> 00:46:28,650
Some statistics on our drone activity. Our drone is a first responder

539
00:46:28,650 --> 00:46:33,850
program went live on March 27th of this year. To date, real-time information center has

540
00:46:33,850 --> 00:46:38,710
documented over 1,600 drone flights, which averages approximately 10 flights a day. We

541
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:42,850
have achieved 1,600 flights even though the real-time information technicians work primarily

542
00:46:42,850 --> 00:46:48,270
as solo operators for eight of their 10 hours of their shift. Our technicians balance

543
00:46:48,270 --> 00:46:54,930
DFR operations and flights, live camera support, analytical and historical workups, radio traffic,

544
00:46:54,930 --> 00:46:59,930
get an officer support responsibilities. Since going live, our DFR was first on scene

545
00:47:00,450 --> 00:47:07,010
for 1555 incidents which equates to 74.6% of approved DFR calls for service.

546
00:47:07,850 --> 00:47:12,330
Our tech technicians with the use of DFRs were documented as first on scene giving responding

547
00:47:12,330 --> 00:47:18,910
personnel situational awareness before arrival. Our technicians and DFRs have recorded arrests

548
00:47:18,910 --> 00:47:24,450
Assess this in 201 police incidents, including more related calls, traffic, vehicle incidents,

549
00:47:24,910 --> 00:47:28,810
property crime, disturbances, assaults, and weapon related calls.

550
00:47:30,350 --> 00:47:31,190
Next slide.

551
00:47:33,740 --> 00:47:36,620
So a central point for this presentation is transparency.

552
00:47:37,380 --> 00:47:42,260
The police department recognizes that public safety technology must be understood by our community.

553
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:48,860
We have made information about our technology, including our drones, flight paths, flight

554
00:47:48,860 --> 00:47:57,520
patterns, our flock license plate readers available on our police department website at www.grillipd.com.

555
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:07,140
The city's ALPR page explains how APLs help APL, ALPRs help locate vehicles connected to stolen vehicles,

556
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,940
missing persons, and criminal investigations and support faster police response.

557
00:48:12,500 --> 00:48:18,480
We want our residents to know what tools we use, why we use them, and what safeguards exist.

558
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:20,400
Next slide.

559
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,040
Next slide. This is just a key takeaway in a summary of what we've already

560
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:37,100
provided in the presentation. And this evening's item is for information and discussion

561
00:48:37,100 --> 00:48:43,120
only based on the council initiative requests from our information on FLOx Safety AOPRs and

562
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:48,100
our drone program. Next slide. We're happy to answer any questions.

563
00:48:48,100 --> 00:48:52,240
Is there any questions at this moment?

564
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:55,760
Great.

565
00:49:01,020 --> 00:49:02,160
Thanks for putting this together.

566
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,620
And thanks for getting, I had a few questions beforehand

567
00:49:06,620 --> 00:49:08,900
that you guys answered very thoroughly.

568
00:49:08,900 --> 00:49:11,580
And I want to be clear, my questions,

569
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:17,240
darn reflection of my belief, are police officers

570
00:49:17,240 --> 00:49:21,140
are very honorable, very trustworthy?

571
00:49:22,100 --> 00:49:26,440
And your record shows that you guys haven't had

572
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,240
any instances of misuse or abuse, and I'm very thankful for that.

573
00:49:31,180 --> 00:49:39,560
I think my concern is, as the presentation noted, was the 91 other entities that have

574
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:47,540
access to this data, and I think, and then also what was discussed is, the lock does not

575
00:49:47,540 --> 00:49:51,980
allow us to put this data on our own servers and control that.

576
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:58,560
So for them to say, we own the data, but we don't get to choose to keep the data on our

577
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,420
servers seems a little bit conflicting.

578
00:50:01,740 --> 00:50:08,100
I guess my first question is with this 91, do we regular review their retention policies?

579
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:13,900
Do we have the ability to have an agreement with the ones we share saying, hey, we will

580
00:50:13,900 --> 00:50:19,880
won't share this data with you if you don't comply with our 30-day policy and stuff like

581
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:20,120
Yeah,

582
00:50:22,180 --> 00:50:25,740
I'm going to start the conversation, I'm going to pass over to Commander Gutierrez

583
00:50:25,740 --> 00:50:27,300
or even Sergeant Ryan for that matter.

584
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:35,460
But I think, well, I know we have incredible policies, but we're not perfect.

585
00:50:36,140 --> 00:50:38,060
I know that a mistake could happen.

586
00:50:38,740 --> 00:50:44,100
We have made it very clear to our department, not just with ALPRs, not just for sensitive data,

587
00:50:44,500 --> 00:50:48,940
because that exists in all of our records management systems, it exists by the mere fact that

588
00:50:48,940 --> 00:50:54,300
that I can get on the radio and run somebody's license plate and our officers and our

589
00:50:54,300 --> 00:51:01,200
non-sborn employees know the rules of engagement and they know what the consequences are and

590
00:51:01,970 --> 00:51:05,720
they reflect all of public safety, not just a really police department.

591
00:51:06,380 --> 00:51:09,060
So I can only speak for our employees, our policies.

592
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:14,380
I know that those data standards that we, that Commander Guterres explained in terms of

593
00:51:14,380 --> 00:51:17,280
of searchability is pushed out to all departments

594
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:18,440
within the FOX safety.

595
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,020
I don't know how it works.

596
00:51:20,140 --> 00:51:21,020
Well, we don't share a report,

597
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:22,760
but I don't know how it works with LSAG.

598
00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:26,740
Yes, I'm not sure on LSAG as well,

599
00:51:26,740 --> 00:51:29,560
but as far as other out-of-state agencies searching

600
00:51:30,100 --> 00:51:31,620
within FOX specifically,

601
00:51:32,020 --> 00:51:34,860
they too have those three mandatory case numbers,

602
00:51:35,100 --> 00:51:36,180
offense type, and reason.

603
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,500
As far as their policies, do we read every policy

604
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,180
of the agencies that we share with, we have not.

605
00:51:43,180 --> 00:51:43,380
No.

606
00:51:44,980 --> 00:51:50,900
Um, because I think that's my, I think that's my little bit of my major rub is because I like.

607
00:51:51,460 --> 00:51:57,180
Um, I like the drone technology because it's, it's implemented per incident.

608
00:51:57,860 --> 00:52:01,960
I think there's an active incident and we send out the drone, whereas this is a constant.

609
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,500
And we also don't really have control over that.

610
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,880
Um, so I, I think that's kind of, that's kind of where I'm at.

611
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,360
I mean, like I said, I think the drones are great.

612
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:13,740
I think it protects our officers.

613
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,420
I think it's a good deal, but that's where I have struggles.

614
00:52:21,220 --> 00:52:26,580
What of the other providers, can you briefly tell me of the other providers?

615
00:52:27,820 --> 00:52:34,400
Maybe some of the benefits, if you guys were to switch away from flock, as opposed to what

616
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:35,020
we currently have.

617
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,860
So I'm going to go back to your first question real quick and just make a comment that

618
00:52:39,860 --> 00:52:46,560
that crime does not have jurisdictional boundaries, so the fact that we are able to share with

619
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:52,020
our partners makes it a lot more efficient, and we're successful about it, and I'm just

620
00:52:52,020 --> 00:52:57,260
making a comment about the sharing source, and I know that if we got a complaint about

621
00:52:57,260 --> 00:53:03,320
a misuse or an abuse from another agency, and we saw all these searches, we would be referring

622
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:08,340
it to that other agency, no different than if another agency suspected our employees of abuse,

623
00:53:08,340 --> 00:53:11,420
we would get that same courtesy to look into and investigate.

624
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:18,920
Your second question, yes, there are companies in the industry who provide other options,

625
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:25,960
other leaders in the industry, who provide options where the data is not stored with their company

626
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:31,440
like Flock and we have no option or say in that, where we could house it on our servers

627
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:39,100
and basically the competing companies say, this is your data, share by MOU, but we cannot

628
00:53:39,100 --> 00:53:46,760
access it, regardless if we get a warrant, a subpoena, or a court order, where Flot can

629
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:52,140
and Flot got one a few weeks ago and called us and said, hey, we got this court order, it's

630
00:53:52,140 --> 00:53:56,840
your data, but we pulled it up and saw that you have the image. So, we know we have an example

631
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:02,140
of how they're pulling it up by court order. Other industry leaders don't have that option.

632
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:06,900
They say it's your data and we can't access it. We'll never be able to access it and good luck to

633
00:54:06,900 --> 00:54:07,000
you.

634
00:54:11,230 --> 00:54:15,950
Yeah. I think it'd be worth looking into and at least seeing those pluses and minuses,

635
00:54:16,350 --> 00:54:23,450
because I think that's, I think, personally, I'm of the Benjamin Franklin point of view given

636
00:54:23,450 --> 00:54:30,530
of essential liberty for temporary safety. We deserve neither. I know that's not necessarily

637
00:54:30,530 --> 00:54:33,910
a popular one, and it's not an indictment on you guys. Like I said, I think you guys do a fine

638
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:39,190
job, and you guys have a great job of reducing crime in our city. It could be contributed to the use

639
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:47,610
of this technology, certainly. So I admit my bias to it, but I would like to look at some other

640
00:54:47,610 --> 00:54:51,250
options where we can have more control of our data if we're going to continue to use this product.

641
00:54:54,610 --> 00:54:59,070
Thank you, Mr. Mayor, I do like that statement by Benjamin Franklin.

642
00:55:01,070 --> 00:55:01,970
What question?

643
00:55:02,570 --> 00:55:07,050
Have you or has anybody in the United States found that it is?

644
00:55:12,250 --> 00:55:16,750
No, I'm going to speak like an attorney here because we've had a lot of conversations

645
00:55:16,750 --> 00:55:17,370
internally.

646
00:55:17,370 --> 00:55:18,290
We have one in the room.

647
00:55:18,990 --> 00:55:20,070
There's a few in the room.

648
00:55:21,230 --> 00:55:23,470
Because this isn't a new conversation, right?

649
00:55:23,470 --> 00:55:26,330
It is balancing privacy and safety.

650
00:55:27,770 --> 00:55:28,910
We pick them both.

651
00:55:30,270 --> 00:55:34,010
To be responsible and choosing them both is understanding what the parameters are.

652
00:55:34,670 --> 00:55:39,670
Similar to our drones, similar to searching a car, searching a house, where you can have

653
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:40,890
these readers, where you can.

654
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:48,670
There is Supreme Court case law, there is constitutional rules on the Fourth Amendment, there is case

655
00:55:48,670 --> 00:55:51,810
law that tells us when we have to issue someone their Miranda rights.

656
00:55:51,810 --> 00:56:04,750
So this does not get excused, the definition or the articulation that we received from the Supreme Court is that there is no expectation of privacy in a public roadway.

657
00:56:06,170 --> 00:56:06,770
Harriet.

658
00:56:07,390 --> 00:56:09,250
The plain view doctrine.

659
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:21,790
No different than, sir, no different than us putting 100 officers along 10th Street in Highway 34 and logging license plates and vehicle descriptions and taking pictures with their phones as they drove by.

660
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:29,930
So, one of my concerns, the data storage and the data is a concern of mine.

661
00:56:30,610 --> 00:56:33,230
How that's used, who uses it when it's used.

662
00:56:34,990 --> 00:56:41,890
My understanding, flock is 30 days, it's stored on a national database, right?

663
00:56:42,490 --> 00:56:45,190
We set the retention date, so we set 30 days.

664
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:49,430
Yeah, but it's on a national database, it's not like stored in Greeley, it's stored somewhere else.

665
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:50,710
It is stored off site.

666
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:51,310
Okay.

667
00:56:52,810 --> 00:56:59,210
What about record or L-E-L-S-A-G, whatever, L-S-A-G?

668
00:57:01,890 --> 00:57:02,930
That's stored off site.

669
00:57:03,070 --> 00:57:03,370
It's well.

670
00:57:03,610 --> 00:57:05,650
We do have a recourse, or do I confirm?

671
00:57:06,170 --> 00:57:07,310
That is stored to onsite.

672
00:57:08,530 --> 00:57:11,070
So, recourse and L-S-A-G records onsite?

673
00:57:14,590 --> 00:57:15,890
Recourse in a cloud server.

674
00:57:16,810 --> 00:57:20,470
But only CD, really PD has access to it.

675
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:20,930
That is correct.

676
00:57:21,350 --> 00:57:22,310
And then L-S-A-G?

677
00:57:22,310 --> 00:57:25,430
It's state-owned by state-colors of state patrol.

678
00:57:26,190 --> 00:57:27,910
Well, that's a state program.

679
00:57:28,290 --> 00:57:28,430
Yes.

680
00:57:28,850 --> 00:57:30,350
And you follow their rules on that?

681
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:33,290
Well, they have set their own retention for one year.

682
00:57:33,710 --> 00:57:34,130
One year?

683
00:57:34,430 --> 00:57:34,610
Yes.

684
00:57:35,590 --> 00:57:44,190
So on retention, help me understand why you need license plates for a whole year that didn't

685
00:57:44,190 --> 00:57:44,790
get it yet.

686
00:57:45,390 --> 00:57:46,210
30 days.

687
00:57:46,530 --> 00:57:47,270
We have 30 days.

688
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:51,270
I know we have 30 days, but L-site has a year.

689
00:57:53,690 --> 00:57:59,070
I mean, if you hit my plates, and I had to have no various things I'm done that you know of,

690
00:58:01,170 --> 00:58:07,270
that you know of, why would you store my license for that length of time for a year,

691
00:58:07,410 --> 00:58:11,750
or 30 days, or anything? Like, if you hit my license and it has a pop-up hot or any,

692
00:58:12,410 --> 00:58:16,670
they could call it pop-up. Whatever you call it, why would you store that?

693
00:58:17,230 --> 00:58:18,330
Well, consider cold cases.

694
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:22,550
I can give an example in Aurora where they were able to help solve the, I believe, the

695
00:58:22,550 --> 00:58:26,070
murder case at the 11th month with that one-year retention.

696
00:58:27,050 --> 00:58:30,550
So it's not everything but a cold case that can help.

697
00:58:31,150 --> 00:58:34,570
So with, among that note, so like let's say, I drive in Greeley.

698
00:58:35,110 --> 00:58:37,930
I think I drive all over Greeley 100 times a day.

699
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:42,150
Don't you storm my license plate every day I drive?

700
00:58:43,450 --> 00:58:45,990
We do, but we keep that for 30 days within Greeley.

701
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:50,750
I know, so I'm saying, so a year ago, I didn't park my car and I never drive it again,

702
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:52,090
that license plate is still active.

703
00:58:53,250 --> 00:58:56,250
So my question is, it's storage for a year or 30 days.

704
00:58:56,970 --> 00:59:03,170
What, in your mind, is a good reason to, not the one case in Aurora, but a good reason

705
00:59:03,170 --> 00:59:04,830
to have to store past 30 days?

706
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:13,990
So it's a great topic, a great question, and this is for us to have conversations, not

707
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:18,290
Not just internally, but I've been on the phone with other police chiefs because a lot

708
00:59:18,290 --> 00:59:20,290
of communities are facing the same issue.

709
00:59:20,650 --> 00:59:23,530
Not just with flock, but also with license plate readers.

710
00:59:25,390 --> 00:59:34,450
And I think flock rolled out some best practices and new guidelines for new customers recommending

711
00:59:34,450 --> 00:59:35,570
a seven-day retention.

712
00:59:36,650 --> 00:59:42,470
And the articulation was 90% of searches done by law enforcement are done in the first seven

713
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:42,730
days.

714
00:59:42,730 --> 00:59:50,570
I asked what that percentage was in Colorado and I didn't get a response, so I'm just going

715
00:59:50,570 --> 00:59:55,690
to assume that the 90% is also applicable to the state of Colorado and users of flock here.

716
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:59,810
My response is, what about that other 10 percent?

717
01:00:00,590 --> 01:00:26,730
What about those victims? What about those cases? Do we owe it just to the 90% because they discovered the crime or made the report in the first seven days, but I'm sorry because on day eight, it's gone. So we've been talking internally about a lower retention period that still accomplishes what our detectives need. From the time we take a report,

718
01:00:26,730 --> 01:00:31,230
or transcribe it, approve it, assign it to detectives.

719
01:00:31,470 --> 01:00:34,790
You're probably at seven days if they've even read it yet.

720
01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:39,670
So I think there is a common ground or a compromise in place

721
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:42,310
to where we can reduce it to whether that's 21 days,

722
01:00:42,550 --> 01:00:43,630
whether that's 14 days.

723
01:00:44,310 --> 01:00:46,850
I have a fellow chief in Durango

724
01:00:47,380 --> 01:00:50,050
who does a lot of sharing with neighboring states

725
01:00:50,050 --> 01:00:52,150
because a lot of their crime is transient

726
01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:53,170
between different states.

727
01:00:53,170 --> 01:01:02,990
And they made a policy that says, and he searched after seven days, which is only 10%, not your 90% needs to be approved by a supervisor.

728
01:01:03,670 --> 01:01:07,450
Totally reasonable. That's something that we can implement.

729
01:01:07,890 --> 01:01:11,690
I don't want to say tomorrow because you guys are going to have to do all the work on the policy on that.

730
01:01:12,030 --> 01:01:16,830
But like there was a safeguard that we can put in place to help balance the safety versus privacy.

731
01:01:17,730 --> 01:01:22,790
I mean, one of the chiefs, I trust you, sorry, I trust you, you guys done great work.

732
01:01:23,430 --> 01:01:24,650
You too won't be here forever.

733
01:01:25,230 --> 01:01:30,350
And the policies that we put that you put in place, the council has really little control.

734
01:01:31,030 --> 01:01:37,050
So my fear is if we don't set something in our charter and our code that says this is

735
01:01:37,050 --> 01:01:42,170
what's going to happen, one bad apple kills the entire system.

736
01:01:42,170 --> 01:01:48,590
It's just the way it works, and one bad vote kills an elected official, right?

737
01:01:49,310 --> 01:01:53,870
So one bad actor, it could be a situation where you guys are all gone.

738
01:01:54,270 --> 01:01:59,590
We're on our third situation down, and my daughter, and anybody else's kids are involved.

739
01:01:59,830 --> 01:02:03,750
So I think we have to set something in place as a council, as my recommendation.

740
01:02:04,730 --> 01:02:10,070
It sets things in place to protect our citizens that is livable, but

741
01:02:10,070 --> 01:02:14,050
Yeah, we get the benefits of the system because there is some some concerns.

742
01:02:14,790 --> 01:02:19,190
And got to listen to those concerns, but at the end of the day, the system does work too.

743
01:02:19,690 --> 01:02:24,250
So I really think that we have to do that and figure out what our policies are.

744
01:02:24,370 --> 01:02:28,790
Isn't the state I heard the state was looking into some new policies that they're going to implement?

745
01:02:28,970 --> 01:02:32,610
State why we can implement more strict, but we just can't go under, right?

746
01:02:33,210 --> 01:02:38,570
So yes, we cannot be less restrictive, but I've read a draft today.

747
01:02:39,130 --> 01:02:49,410
We have a law enforcement stakeholder meeting with Senator a mobily at a boulder on draft legislation that's going to come out at the beginning of the legislative session in 2027.

748
01:02:49,770 --> 01:02:50,790
We know it's coming.

749
01:02:51,230 --> 01:02:59,790
I've seen a sneak preview of what's on there and it's going to be restrictive regardless of concessions or compromises that are made.

750
01:03:00,350 --> 01:03:04,870
So I'm happy to have the conversation, happy to evaluate our current policies.

751
01:03:05,170 --> 01:03:11,430
So what fits really, what fits us, knowing that it may have to change in January or February?

752
01:03:13,210 --> 01:03:16,010
Yeah, Chief, I really appreciate what I'm with Craig.

753
01:03:16,030 --> 01:03:23,910
You guys do a great job, but it's just what's the next chief to do, what's the next sergeant to do, what's the next, and the drones, I love those.

754
01:03:25,410 --> 01:03:29,250
So, I mean, it's the only thing I think I've ever brought back from NLC when I come back.

755
01:03:29,250 --> 01:03:33,670
I called you right away and said, we need drones and you guys have done a great job

756
01:03:33,670 --> 01:03:34,130
in there.

757
01:03:34,610 --> 01:03:35,070
So thank you.

758
01:03:36,770 --> 01:03:37,210
Melissa.

759
01:03:43,010 --> 01:03:43,490
Thank you, Mayor.

760
01:03:45,450 --> 01:03:50,230
I think you all understand that part of the reason that why we're at this point today

761
01:03:50,230 --> 01:03:55,330
is that there's been bad cops in the past that have taken advantage of their position and

762
01:03:55,330 --> 01:04:00,110
the situations that they've had and there's just a few that ruins it for everyone.

763
01:04:01,110 --> 01:04:02,950
So I believe in checks and balances.

764
01:04:03,550 --> 01:04:08,130
And I know that there is an audit that's done on a quarterly basis.

765
01:04:08,750 --> 01:04:11,670
I would like to see that narrowed down to a monthly basis.

766
01:04:13,110 --> 01:04:17,050
And there's a couple things that I have a whole bunch of things on here.

767
01:04:17,270 --> 01:04:18,450
So let me just go through my list.

768
01:04:19,230 --> 01:04:31,750
Something that you triggered that I wanted to ask about is you said that the sharing with other agencies is you'll only share if it's a public safety threat.

769
01:04:33,050 --> 01:04:41,110
So, what are those guidelines that, I mean, you couldn't, it could just be another officer

770
01:04:41,110 --> 01:04:48,070
and another jurisdiction that says it's a public safety threat and they're tracking down,

771
01:04:48,190 --> 01:04:49,610
they're trying to drag down their ex-wife.

772
01:04:50,110 --> 01:04:53,030
So, what are those guidelines?

773
01:04:53,970 --> 01:04:59,070
I would say those individuals are people associated with plates involved in criminal activity.

774
01:04:59,990 --> 01:05:04,710
That's that's the general kind of broad those involved in criminal activity.

775
01:05:05,810 --> 01:05:11,050
And I would expand that because if you look at our drop down list we have a bunch of things on there.

776
01:05:11,570 --> 01:05:17,710
And as I've learned in the last week you can't put our entitled title 42 code from Colorado by statute as a drop down.

777
01:05:18,510 --> 01:05:24,790
Like I didn't see spilling loads on a highway as one of the search items when a truck dumped a bunch of nails and cause an accident.

778
01:05:27,410 --> 01:05:31,730
But it goes beyond just the criminal part, and I think I've tried to share some examples

779
01:05:31,730 --> 01:05:36,650
with Council and with our team at the police department about an elderly person who was

780
01:05:36,650 --> 01:05:43,370
being taken advantage of for an elaborate scam, missing persons, runaways, I shared a kid

781
01:05:43,370 --> 01:05:43,690
napping.

782
01:05:43,890 --> 01:05:47,530
What we thought was a kid napping example a few weeks ago, they'll let us to New York.

783
01:05:48,190 --> 01:05:53,750
So I think public safety threat is harder to find if we're just talking about criminal activity

784
01:05:53,750 --> 01:05:55,230
because it's not just that.

785
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,800
So I think we have a really good police department.

786
01:06:01,780 --> 01:06:05,340
I trust you fully until you show me otherwise.

787
01:06:05,900 --> 01:06:08,280
But how do we hold other agencies accountable?

788
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,160
So that's, I think that's part of the audit process too,

789
01:06:11,380 --> 01:06:17,780
is to be able to lag those officers or I think it's a number

790
01:06:17,780 --> 01:06:22,960
that is hitting something out of the ordinary too often.

791
01:06:23,780 --> 01:06:30,800
Is there a reporting agency that you can report to that you feel like this is being abused or how do you hold other agencies accountable?

792
01:06:34,260 --> 01:06:39,100
Well, if you want to speak to the Sergeant Ryan, because I know you do the audits, I'm just going to speak real highly of it.

793
01:06:39,220 --> 01:06:46,880
I think if we get a complaint, obviously, we would refer that to the agency that employs their people.

794
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:59,800
But in these new rollouts and guidelines from FOX safety in the last few weeks and there's been new technology that's come out to help us narrow down audits and be more specific in terms of running the same plate multiple times.

795
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:03,280
The same plate within a defined period of time.

796
01:07:03,860 --> 01:07:07,360
So I think those are some tools that will help us with the audits and go ahead, Sergeant Ryan.

797
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:08,340
Hello,

798
01:07:11,740 --> 01:07:17,380
to answer your question. So within the past, I think it's been about three weeks now to four weeks.

799
01:07:17,660 --> 01:07:24,000
The audit capability that FLOG has integrated into their system is now a flagging system.

800
01:07:24,380 --> 01:07:29,220
So it goes through and it has a preset what it's looking for.

801
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:36,360
Is somebody lurking that has somebody run the license plate 20 times within a five day period?

802
01:07:36,940 --> 01:07:39,600
and has somebody tried to look for the same plate

803
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:41,360
on multiple different case numbers

804
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:44,500
over more than a 30-day period

805
01:07:44,500 --> 01:07:46,580
or trying to run it more than a 30-day period.

806
01:07:47,060 --> 01:07:50,240
So it actually flags it and it points it out as,

807
01:07:50,660 --> 01:07:52,060
we're not saying this is criminal activity

808
01:07:52,060 --> 01:07:54,000
on the officers that are doing it,

809
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:55,800
but what it does is it flags it and says,

810
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:57,300
hey, you need to pay attention to this.

811
01:07:57,620 --> 01:07:58,940
So when I go into that system

812
01:07:58,940 --> 01:08:00,260
and I start looking through that,

813
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:02,660
then I start going to each one.

814
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:05,060
If there was something that I saw that was inside there,

815
01:08:05,060 --> 01:08:07,440
that I was like, hmm, this might be concerning,

816
01:08:07,980 --> 01:08:09,500
then I would make that phone call

817
01:08:09,500 --> 01:08:14,060
and to the agency, the agency that ran it and say,

818
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:16,700
hey, just so you know, this is what popped up

819
01:08:16,700 --> 01:08:20,220
on our flock audit and have you looked into this

820
01:08:20,220 --> 01:08:23,020
and notified, and then it's a conversation

821
01:08:23,020 --> 01:08:24,440
back and forth between me and them.

822
01:08:25,820 --> 01:08:29,120
On our side, what I can, I go in, I look,

823
01:08:29,300 --> 01:08:31,980
I look what those are for and the majority of the time,

824
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,060
what it flags are like, multiple cases,

825
01:08:34,060 --> 01:08:40,080
cases that are same individual, continually getting new cases.

826
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:44,800
So those are what I'm mostly seeing inside that and then I will just go in and I put

827
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:47,780
comments and this is normal investigative activity.

828
01:08:48,380 --> 01:08:52,260
If there was something that wasn't that then I have the option of looking at what the case

829
01:08:52,260 --> 01:08:57,040
number is and going in to the case number into our system and looking to see and then start

830
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:57,920
asking those questions.

831
01:09:05,950 --> 01:09:11,670
So mistakes do happen, and I think mistakes are accidental, and those work human, and

832
01:09:11,670 --> 01:09:15,990
so we can fix those mistakes, that's when it's intentional, and so these checks and

833
01:09:15,990 --> 01:09:21,750
balances I think will help certainly prevent that as much as possible.

834
01:09:23,190 --> 01:09:33,590
So tell me this, because I feel like when I'm in public anywhere, that's public space.

835
01:09:34,490 --> 01:09:37,530
It's not, I'm not in my home, I'm not on my property.

836
01:09:38,810 --> 01:09:45,530
So leaving recorded or somebody taking pictures of me or taking pictures of my car, they don't

837
01:09:45,530 --> 01:09:49,770
really have to have a reason to do that, and so I'm viewing this as the same-set thing.

838
01:09:49,770 --> 01:09:56,850
So tell me how, because when I pull into Walmart, I'm recorded essentially as soon as I pull into

839
01:09:56,850 --> 01:10:02,990
that parking lot. My vehicle, they know what my vehicle is, because there's been questions about

840
01:10:03,480 --> 01:10:13,410
or comments made about patterns, your living patterns. And in Walmart, quite frankly, they could know

841
01:10:13,410 --> 01:10:19,710
everything about me. They could know whether I'm dieting or I like to eat junk food or I'm on

842
01:10:19,710 --> 01:10:25,990
It's that time of the month for me, or I'm buying, you know, baby clothes or I'm about

843
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:26,570
to have a baby.

844
01:10:26,730 --> 01:10:30,650
I mean, there's a million things that they can track, and then that takes patterns.

845
01:10:31,310 --> 01:10:35,670
That would track my patterns, the minute that I go into Walmart and being photographed,

846
01:10:36,150 --> 01:10:37,450
and that's not my privacy.

847
01:10:37,770 --> 01:10:45,990
So, tell me how this is different, tell me how these cameras are different than when I go

848
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:52,790
into Wal-Mart and I'm essentially being taped a minute. I pull in there.

849
01:10:54,210 --> 01:10:58,610
So, interesting question because we give a tour this morning at the Real-Tem

850
01:10:58,610 --> 01:11:02,950
Information Center. Some people who had concerns or questions about it and I

851
01:11:02,950 --> 01:11:08,490
posed the same question about Wal-Mart. And the response is, well, I can choose to shop at Wal-Mart.

852
01:11:08,670 --> 01:11:11,490
I can't choose to not be, have my license plate recorded.

853
01:11:11,490 --> 01:11:11,590
Right.

854
01:11:12,990 --> 01:11:17,250
Because I can't shop anywhere, I quite frankly, you can't shop anywhere, you can't go

855
01:11:17,250 --> 01:11:17,610
anywhere.

856
01:11:18,830 --> 01:11:20,450
So, keep going.

857
01:11:20,570 --> 01:11:26,470
And all that technology at Ulta, who has the best cameras in town by the way, and these

858
01:11:26,470 --> 01:11:28,670
big box stores help us solve crime.

859
01:11:29,630 --> 01:11:35,010
When it comes to our license plate readers, if you look at our map, we followed the data,

860
01:11:35,010 --> 01:11:42,650
And we put them in entry and exit points to our city for criminal activity for safety

861
01:11:42,650 --> 01:11:48,150
reasons, and they're on public roadways.

862
01:11:48,870 --> 01:11:54,250
The expectation of privacy isn't there, and we're not targeting anyone.

863
01:11:54,610 --> 01:11:58,070
It's strictly an investigative tool that requires some of verification.

864
01:11:58,590 --> 01:12:01,790
I doubt that answers your question, Council Member McDonald, because I'm not sure how to

865
01:12:01,790 --> 01:12:04,870
compare Walmart other than everything you said about that is true.

866
01:12:05,530 --> 01:12:07,330
Oh man, I teed this up for you.

867
01:12:07,790 --> 01:12:15,410
Walmart, there's no oversight with Walmart, so they can sell my information to whoever's

868
01:12:15,410 --> 01:12:21,930
paying them to know what kind of diet coke that I like, or what kind of brand of shoes

869
01:12:21,930 --> 01:12:22,490
that I'm wearing.

870
01:12:23,130 --> 01:12:28,450
I mean, that's how we get these ads on our Facebook page, but the difference is the oversight,

871
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:33,810
this is the government, so they are going to, they are not going to just sell our information

872
01:12:33,810 --> 01:12:40,270
and give it to anyone, and the more the technology evolves, the more crackdown there is going

873
01:12:40,270 --> 01:12:40,470
to be.

874
01:12:40,850 --> 01:12:46,970
So I feel very blessed in Greeley, and I think this place with Department feels very blessed

875
01:12:46,970 --> 01:12:54,470
with the community that we have that supports law enforcement, but nationally, would you

876
01:12:54,470 --> 01:12:57,250
say that numbers are down in the police academies?

877
01:13:02,100 --> 01:13:04,540
I think that's a hard question to answer.

878
01:13:04,540 --> 01:13:10,620
I can say, Greeley, we don't have any problems, you know, finding people who want to work

879
01:13:10,620 --> 01:13:15,160
for us, and I would say the trend is actually going upward where people are re-engaging

880
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:18,540
and law enforcement, young people, or police crews, in my opinion.

881
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:26,500
The reason I ask that is because we can't, we could just hire people to be having binoculars

882
01:13:26,500 --> 01:13:30,460
and taking pictures and chasing people down based off of their license plate.

883
01:13:30,460 --> 01:13:40,080
So this is just a tool not to have a sworn officer that is monitoring the cars that go by and it just

884
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:46,420
provides your jobs a little bit easier to actually catch the bad guys and focus on crimes that are

885
01:13:46,420 --> 01:13:54,680
happening in real life. Laura in the Arctic, I love to this quote that she said, so I wish it was mine

886
01:13:54,680 --> 01:14:00,160
but she said it. She said if we take the cameras away, we are protecting the criminals and if we

887
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:06,180
keep the cameras, it protects the victims. So thank you for answering all my questions tonight.

888
01:14:08,860 --> 01:14:17,760
Yep. Thank you, Mayor. I am curious if we could make the transition away from flock to this other

889
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:26,620
company record. What would that mean? I think flock has a bad public relations problem. I also do not

890
01:14:26,620 --> 01:14:35,880
like them having data, really citizens. I'm comfortable with our local police department having that data.

891
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:45,900
So can we make the transition away from flock? And it's so approximately what the cost would be,

892
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:50,020
what would the timeline of that be? Yes.

893
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:56,080
To be very blunt, and we've been working on and out

894
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:59,900
and other options for several months now. I've been working with Kaelin and...

895
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:06,180
Nathan in budget, we try to make some magic happen. We would take a hit on our current

896
01:15:06,180 --> 01:15:11,060
FLOG safety contract that we have through 2027 if we terminate or abandon it.

897
01:15:11,100 --> 01:15:18,660
Through 2027. Yes. Okay, that's fine. So 2028, they're done. Notice, give them a notice.

898
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:26,820
With April of 2027, this one our contract ends with FLOG. Okay, great. Yeah. And Chief

899
01:15:26,820 --> 01:15:33,920
If you and I talked about retention policy, 30 days currently holding for local citizens

900
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:34,560
data.

901
01:15:35,500 --> 01:15:41,280
I'd like to see maybe 14 days, but you thought 21 days was amenable.

902
01:15:41,500 --> 01:15:48,120
That seems like when there is a violent crime or a crime, the police know about it within

903
01:15:49,140 --> 01:15:50,020
a few days.

904
01:15:50,660 --> 01:15:55,780
So, what do you think about reducing the amount of time for retention?

905
01:15:56,980 --> 01:16:01,280
Well, you're asking me for my opinion on what gives us the best use of the technology and the tool.

906
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:02,840
I'm going to argue for 30 days.

907
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:11,380
And I think we can sit here and vary over this and come up with examples of someone that's been on vacation for two weeks.

908
01:16:11,460 --> 01:16:14,580
Someone that's been gone from their house for 21 days.

909
01:16:14,580 --> 01:16:19,060
I know they're a few in far between, especially when we update a saying that 90% of the searches

910
01:16:19,060 --> 01:16:24,360
are done in the first seven days. So we are definitely agreeable to looking at that and

911
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:31,460
making some modifications on retention. That'd be my request. Does that need to come from council

912
01:16:31,460 --> 01:16:38,540
or is that a policy police policy? I'm going to try and wrap this up with that concept in mind when

913
01:16:38,540 --> 01:16:40,380
and we'll give it all in the comments and put it out, yeah.

914
01:16:41,060 --> 01:16:45,520
So Ryan, thank you, Mr. Mayor.

915
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:47,880
Thank you Chief, sergeants for being here tonight.

916
01:16:48,140 --> 01:16:50,260
I really do appreciate everything all of you do

917
01:16:50,260 --> 01:16:51,400
in our community to keep us safe.

918
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:53,540
Thank you again for the two or the councilman Rudy

919
01:16:53,540 --> 01:16:55,900
and I were able to have the Arctic a couple of weeks ago,

920
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:56,640
very enlightening.

921
01:16:57,180 --> 01:16:59,660
And thank you also to opening that up to community members

922
01:16:59,660 --> 01:17:01,760
that had concerns and questions.

923
01:17:02,540 --> 01:17:03,820
You never know until you see it.

924
01:17:03,900 --> 01:17:06,240
So thank you to each of you that spent that time

925
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:07,160
showing around the Arctic.

926
01:17:07,580 --> 01:17:08,400
Couple of real quick questions.

927
01:17:08,580 --> 01:17:09,520
I love real world examples.

928
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:17,420
I know council gets some updates from you on the use of these ALPRs and successful stories.

929
01:17:17,860 --> 01:17:23,360
Do you have maybe one or two over the last couple of weeks that you could share that these were

930
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:28,260
helpful, instrumental in apprehension, solving these crimes?

931
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:33,120
I have a personal story. I have an uncle that was recently diagnosed with dementia.

932
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:39,760
He's a single man. No families, kids. So my brother and I are essentially his caretaker.

933
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:44,540
He was supposed to meet family for dinner. He didn't show up.

934
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:52,100
He was still driving at the time. We call the local authorities in the metro area advised him of that.

935
01:17:52,480 --> 01:17:58,080
They immediately ran his plate through flock. We knew that his vehicle was still moving across the south metro area.

936
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,380
So that was somewhat of a relief, but we still needed him home, right?

937
01:18:02,020 --> 01:18:07,420
So that metro area advised us that they would follow the flocks and they would attempt

938
01:18:07,420 --> 01:18:11,060
to stop the vehicle to make sure it was my uncle, in fact, in the vehicle.

939
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:16,040
So we were working with that agency and the my uncle luckily found his way home.

940
01:18:16,340 --> 01:18:19,180
But that's a personal win for me, thanks to flocks.

941
01:18:21,110 --> 01:18:27,290
And we do, I think we have a list of 1200 cases where it has either assisted or solved.

942
01:18:27,290 --> 01:18:32,930
And I know I've been sharing some recently with Council in terms of recent kidnapping.

943
01:18:33,490 --> 01:18:40,710
Came out as a kidnapping, turned into a runaway, a lot of stolen vehicles, and we have a list.

944
01:18:41,490 --> 01:18:46,250
Could you then either, my glad your uncle was found safe and then it turned out okay.

945
01:18:46,670 --> 01:18:51,950
Could you extrapolate it all on, hey, if we didn't have these things, if we didn't have flock or whatever,

946
01:18:53,230 --> 01:19:01,090
what could have been the outcome or what would have been the work that would have had been either put in with your own goal or in that kidnapping slash runaway.

947
01:19:02,850 --> 01:19:11,730
Yeah, we've had a lot of these conversations also because we've been asked, well how many primes could you not solve if you didn't have it or what would your solvability be or what would your part one crimes?

948
01:19:11,850 --> 01:19:14,490
I'm not sure we're in a position right now to answer.

949
01:19:14,490 --> 01:19:19,310
We'd have to go through every single case and say, okay, we would have solved this maybe

950
01:19:19,310 --> 01:19:22,370
three days later if we didn't have the tool.

951
01:19:22,890 --> 01:19:26,690
So I think it's a really good question, but I think it's really hard to answer with

952
01:19:27,290 --> 01:19:31,930
quantifiable empirical data to say what our crime rates or solvability would be without it.

953
01:19:32,010 --> 01:19:38,130
I just can tell you with all of my heart knowledge and our team that it's a tool that helps

954
01:19:38,130 --> 01:19:40,010
our officers and our residents.

955
01:19:40,810 --> 01:19:43,770
You talked a little bit about it in your presentation.

956
01:19:43,770 --> 01:19:45,810
I think it should be brought to the forefront as well.

957
01:19:46,230 --> 01:19:49,330
Talk about the deterrent that these cameras can have,

958
01:19:49,670 --> 01:19:51,930
flock or otherwise in these communities either.

959
01:19:52,350 --> 01:19:53,670
And then I'll ask a follow-up question.

960
01:19:53,830 --> 01:19:57,030
So I guess talk about any possible deterrent in your profession

961
01:19:57,030 --> 01:20:02,250
with paying you feel these would be as bad guys are considering their life choices.

962
01:20:03,150 --> 01:20:04,370
Yeah, a great question.

963
01:20:04,650 --> 01:20:08,810
Again, hard to quantify, but don't come to Greeley if you want to commit crime.

964
01:20:08,810 --> 01:20:14,890
If you're going to pick retail theft as your enhanced way to make a living, don't come

965
01:20:14,890 --> 01:20:15,330
to Greeley.

966
01:20:16,090 --> 01:20:19,030
I think I absolutely think it's a deterrent in my professional opinion.

967
01:20:20,430 --> 01:20:25,430
And then I know it's fairly recent that many of these communities, not only around

968
01:20:25,430 --> 01:20:30,470
Northern Colorado, throughout our state, maybe around the country, would begin to discontinue

969
01:20:30,470 --> 01:20:34,690
use of these flock cameras and other devices similar to that.

970
01:20:34,690 --> 01:20:40,150
But has there been any causality recently that they've been able to have between communities

971
01:20:40,150 --> 01:20:41,610
that have gone absolutely?

972
01:20:42,330 --> 01:20:43,310
No, we're getting rid of them.

973
01:20:43,370 --> 01:20:44,510
We're not going to have these here anymore.

974
01:20:44,970 --> 01:20:48,210
Have they seen, and it may be too early to talk about empirical evidence?

975
01:20:48,790 --> 01:20:55,710
Have they seen any sort of either increase in crime, lengthening of time between victims

976
01:20:55,710 --> 01:21:01,170
coming forward and solving of those, or is this just simply too early to know the outcomes

977
01:21:01,170 --> 01:21:04,970
of these communities that have decided to go on the exact opposite of the

978
01:21:04,970 --> 01:21:07,190
spectrum and get rid of all license plate readers.

979
01:21:08,310 --> 01:21:11,850
Again, another great question, I think it's too soon to put a number on that,

980
01:21:12,210 --> 01:21:16,170
but I will tell you that I have weekly conversations with other chiefs,

981
01:21:16,350 --> 01:21:22,430
both of those communities who have state discontinued or on a pause from the tool,

982
01:21:22,890 --> 01:21:27,650
and I'll continue to have those conversations. But I think we're seeing a wave right now,

983
01:21:27,650 --> 01:21:32,850
of this decision making by councils and communities on what works good for them or doesn't, but

984
01:21:32,850 --> 01:21:38,970
I'll be interested to work with these other chiefs and find out where it helped and bring

985
01:21:38,970 --> 01:21:39,890
those examples back.

986
01:21:40,530 --> 01:21:40,910
Thank you, Chief.

987
01:21:41,210 --> 01:21:41,630
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

988
01:21:44,700 --> 01:21:44,900
Melissa.

989
01:21:48,140 --> 01:21:55,620
Ryan sparked a couple questions for me that kind of relates, that kind of doesn't, or a sex

990
01:21:55,620 --> 01:22:03,560
trafficking ring or like a drug bus, like how long do you want to, like if it's statewide or

991
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:07,980
interstate, how long does that take to usually solve?

992
01:22:12,630 --> 01:22:15,630
I'll talk to the drug aspect. That's what I

993
01:22:15,630 --> 01:22:22,130
know. I can give you a very recent example. We had an individual supplying a large amount of

994
01:22:22,130 --> 01:22:26,230
of methamphetamine to Greeley specifically.

995
01:22:26,970 --> 01:22:28,230
She changed vehicles.

996
01:22:28,510 --> 01:22:29,710
We knew she had rented a car

997
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:32,890
and we all we had was the makin' model of the vehicle

998
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:34,810
and then we were able to identify

999
01:22:34,810 --> 01:22:36,810
that she was actually in Greeley,

1000
01:22:37,070 --> 01:22:39,190
providing methamphetamine to our citizens

1001
01:22:39,190 --> 01:22:40,650
at two or three in the morning.

1002
01:22:40,910 --> 01:22:42,790
We were able to identify that vehicle

1003
01:22:42,790 --> 01:22:46,130
and track that vehicle back to her residence in Denver

1004
01:22:46,730 --> 01:22:47,850
via some flock cameras

1005
01:22:47,850 --> 01:22:49,950
and via the old fashioned wave surveillance.

1006
01:22:50,890 --> 01:22:56,390
That ultimately ended in the search warrant, seizure of approximately 10 pounds of methamphetamine

1007
01:22:56,390 --> 01:23:00,750
in any drug trafficking organization taken down that was directly affecting our community.

1008
01:23:02,350 --> 01:23:04,930
So how long was how long did it was the animal process?

1009
01:23:05,510 --> 01:23:08,650
Well, from the time we got the flock hit, that process was less than a week.

1010
01:23:11,350 --> 01:23:15,930
Do you know what like a I know we don't have big sex trafficking care but do you know

1011
01:23:15,930 --> 01:23:18,410
know about how long that takes to solve.

1012
01:23:20,940 --> 01:23:24,520
I mean, I don't, but I would guess I don't. Drug

1013
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:29,100
investigations can go for months for the bigger organizations. So I can only imagine that human

1014
01:23:29,100 --> 01:23:35,180
trafficking or sex trafficking would be at least two, three months in order to get the organization.

1015
01:23:35,180 --> 01:23:39,560
We can always go pick up individuals, but in order to cut the head off the snake, it takes,

1016
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:44,020
you know, lengthy investigations using all the technology and tools that we have to include flock.

1017
01:23:44,020 --> 01:23:48,520
Because we're talking about all these dates here, like I'm an on-pride opposite of a lot

1018
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:53,380
of my council members up here, like a year would be good for me for those cold cases or

1019
01:23:53,380 --> 01:23:53,620
things.

1020
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:59,600
I mean, in my opinion, I don't think we have enough information to be deciding on how

1021
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:01,080
long we retain that information.

1022
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:08,260
I think we need a real analysis of some real situations of what makes sense, because if

1023
01:24:08,260 --> 01:24:15,360
If it saves one child or one, you know, can bus one sex trafficking, I know there's been

1024
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:20,740
a lot to talk about how this is all around traffic and all these hits and kidnappings

1025
01:24:20,740 --> 01:24:25,440
and murders are very few, but you know what, fits that it's one life, just one.

1026
01:24:25,740 --> 01:24:27,780
All of this is worth it, in my opinion.

1027
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:32,520
So that's, I guess that's where we got to find this.

1028
01:24:32,660 --> 01:24:37,840
And I think something council needs to really consider is if, you know, we've been talking

1029
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:46,920
about deflock freely or decamorize or whatever we make that decision on is that I don't want to tell

1030
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:52,620
parents that of a child that got kidnapped or with sex traffics. I don't want to have to look

1031
01:24:52,620 --> 01:24:57,180
them in the eye and tell them we didn't have what we had these resources. We opted out of them

1032
01:24:57,180 --> 01:25:03,540
because there were people upset about their privacy. So that's where I'm at.

1033
01:25:03,540 --> 01:25:12,180
Okay. Anybody else? So I have one quick question. You brought up Raven. Does I understand

1034
01:25:12,180 --> 01:25:18,460
you correctly that you're planning on not renewing that? That is correct. Okay. And so you

1035
01:25:18,460 --> 01:25:27,940
did that based on examination of usefulness and cost and all that. Yes, sir. Okay. So I've

1036
01:25:27,940 --> 01:25:40,300
I've been up here jotting down a lot of notes, and I've got a healthier sculptor worth of notes here, but I think what we've talked about is how long data is stored and who can it be shared with

1037
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:51,240
who's the oversight for the data and who's using it and is there an audit process which you've described already.

1038
01:25:51,240 --> 01:26:01,540
city. I think I've heard from numerous council members that we would like to see you

1039
01:26:01,540 --> 01:26:07,260
evaluate what you're currently doing within your rules and regulations and see if there's

1040
01:26:07,260 --> 01:26:13,360
any ways to tighten those up. And that's what I'm going to ask for. Consensus on to do

1041
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:18,260
that. And I don't know if it's just an internal rules and regulations or can we do that on

1042
01:26:18,260 --> 01:26:27,180
on a city council level and that might be St. C. R. Zeta to try and advise us on, you know,

1043
01:26:27,380 --> 01:26:34,060
is it going to be just a city department rule or is it going to be a citywide council rule?

1044
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:39,620
Thank you, Mayor. I think you could do it either way. Council could.

1045
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:46,340
The policies and procedures that the police department have, the chief has the authority to enact those.

1046
01:26:46,340 --> 01:26:53,360
and so I think that's what they have now. Council could always choose to enact an ordinance,

1047
01:26:53,740 --> 01:27:00,520
governing these systems. That I would suggest that needs to be a little bit higher level and

1048
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:04,600
still give some just discretion to the police department within their policies and procedures.

1049
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:06,980
That's pretty typical, but you could do that.

1050
01:27:08,580 --> 01:27:08,980
Okay.

1051
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:09,420
So.

1052
01:27:11,340 --> 01:27:12,280
I don't know.

1053
01:27:12,420 --> 01:27:12,660
I don't know.

1054
01:27:12,660 --> 01:27:13,340
Johnny is biting at this.

1055
01:27:13,780 --> 01:27:14,560
I'm biting at Mike.

1056
01:27:14,740 --> 01:27:15,180
I apologize.

1057
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:15,980
It's a nervous.

1058
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:16,780
Yeah.

1059
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:23,440
I also think we should put in our ordinance if we decide to go that path, which I think we should.

1060
01:27:24,500 --> 01:27:27,020
Is the punishment by someone breaking the law.

1061
01:27:28,380 --> 01:27:30,060
I don't want to just get him fired.

1062
01:27:30,340 --> 01:27:30,820
I want to.

1063
01:27:30,820 --> 01:27:31,600
I want to.

1064
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:34,220
We can prosecute this on which is the break the law.

1065
01:27:34,220 --> 01:27:39,060
And I think it needs to be in there because if they're breaking the law, it's a civil rights

1066
01:27:39,060 --> 01:27:43,480
offense. And we should be sending that case to the district attorney and saying, hey, you

1067
01:27:43,480 --> 01:27:48,600
broke the law. Now, they'll make the determination that they prosecute, obviously. But I think it

1068
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:52,620
should be in our thing that we're not going to, as a counsel, we're not going to tolerate this

1069
01:27:53,380 --> 01:27:54,420
misuse of this equipment.

1070
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:59,760
Just to clarify, Council Member, if it was in our ordinance, it would be a municipal court

1071
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:05,600
violation, but there may be, and I can work with Sean Reinhardt, who's our police legal

1072
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:09,960
advisor and with the chief to determine what state law crimes might be implicated.

1073
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:14,520
And then we can always work with the district attorney to talk through processes to make

1074
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:19,400
sure we're referring people appropriately for, if there's a crime.

1075
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:23,380
Yeah, even if it's federal, you can refer, doesn't mean they take it, but it needs to be federal

1076
01:28:23,380 --> 01:28:23,880
and state.

1077
01:28:24,340 --> 01:28:24,460
Right.

1078
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:29,820
I think it would have been under a official misconduct, and for the conflict of interest,

1079
01:28:29,980 --> 01:28:31,780
we would not send them an immunosupple court.

1080
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:36,080
We would refer it to the DA's office for county or district court, sir.

1081
01:28:36,420 --> 01:28:36,900
Okay.

1082
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:44,900
So, if I can get a consensus on having the police department evaluate their current policies

1083
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:55,960
for possible changes and have the rules and regulations over these, this type of technology

1084
01:28:57,160 --> 01:29:02,220
created in a ordinance passed and approved by the City Council.

1085
01:29:02,820 --> 01:29:03,520
Does that make sense?

1086
01:29:05,300 --> 01:29:05,500
Okay.

1087
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:08,200
Is that okay?

1088
01:29:09,660 --> 01:29:10,220
Perfect.

1089
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:10,660
Yes, sir.

1090
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:11,100
Thank you.

1091
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:11,640
All right.

1092
01:29:11,980 --> 01:29:12,320
Thank you, Matt.

1093
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:17,420
Item number six

1094
01:29:18,660 --> 01:29:21,300
is Downtown Traffic Control.

1095
01:29:21,820 --> 01:29:23,180
We have Seth Swornison,

1096
01:29:26,780 --> 01:29:29,520
and Stephen Yankee is in his wake.

1097
01:29:32,710 --> 01:29:34,650
Mayor and Council pardon the interruption.

1098
01:29:34,930 --> 01:29:40,210
I just want to say that we have been experiencing some intermittent zoom issues with the Zoom

1099
01:29:40,210 --> 01:29:40,850
platform.

1100
01:29:41,550 --> 01:29:46,050
We currently are still online with our audio and our presentations, but our camera is going

1101
01:29:46,050 --> 01:29:47,870
to be offline for the remainder of the meeting.

1102
01:29:48,450 --> 01:29:48,670
Okay.

1103
01:29:49,230 --> 01:29:49,590
Thank you.

1104
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:53,780
Seth, go forward.

1105
01:29:53,780 --> 01:29:59,300
Mayor and Council thank you for allowing public works to present to you this evening on

1106
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:06,180
Opposed changes to downtown traffic on 9th and 10th streets between 8th and 11th avenues.

1107
01:30:08,860 --> 01:30:27,120
The agenda for this evening will be largely background information, but we'll end up on two different options that we're asking the council to provide us guidance on what you would like to see. And so we'll be going over the purpose and the need for the proposed changes.

1108
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:37,520
We will be throwing in just as a sidebar some information on the safe streets for all project that is also scheduled for the downtown to make sure that we don't have any conflicts there.

1109
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:42,720
We'll be talking about the proposed conversion of 9th and 10th to 2-way traffic.

1110
01:30:43,500 --> 01:30:48,100
How these changes will impact the justice center.

1111
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:53,460
And again, we'll be asking for a specific direction from the council.

1112
01:30:53,460 --> 01:31:06,560
The two options that are going to be offered really are a kind of a balancing act between pedestrian accessibility and parking versus the through movement of vehicles.

1113
01:31:08,300 --> 01:31:18,360
So we're asking for this direction because we have several other decisions related to the downtown campus that are waiting on this to be made.

1114
01:31:19,580 --> 01:31:24,240
and we are already under construction so time is of the essence.

1115
01:31:33,980 --> 01:31:40,420
As you can see from this infographic this was taken from the downtown plan that was adopted by the city in 2023.

1116
01:31:41,580 --> 01:31:47,160
And the number one word to show up in this word was safe.

1117
01:31:47,820 --> 01:31:52,660
So the bigger the word the more often our citizens said that's what they want to see from the downtown.

1118
01:31:52,660 --> 01:32:04,160
And so we are trying to accommodate the citizens desire to have a safe, clean, vibrant, fun downtown, which accommodates parking and is walkable.

1119
01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:11,340
But we're actually looking to the council to help us determine what does that look like in practice.

1120
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:20,700
So as our sidebar, the safe streets for all, this is a pilot project that will take three to five years.

1121
01:32:20,700 --> 01:32:27,380
and as you can see by this map it covers a large part of town in various locations but in

1122
01:32:27,380 --> 01:32:33,960
particular what we were interested in is the 11th Avenue where it is proposed to go from

1123
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:39,980
20th Street all the way to D Street so it's a pretty good length and right in the middle of all that

1124
01:32:39,980 --> 01:32:46,120
is the downtown project and so we have coordinated that we're not going to do any of that pilot program

1125
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:53,240
until 2028 when it is anticipated that utility work will have been completed in that section.

1126
01:33:01,090 --> 01:33:07,930
So why do we want to convert 9th and 10th street from one way to two way traffic?

1127
01:33:08,770 --> 01:33:11,270
Basically, we are having a change in land use.

1128
01:33:11,490 --> 01:33:17,370
We are trying to reconfigure the entire purpose of the downtown, we're trying to make it a draw so

1129
01:33:17,370 --> 01:33:24,210
that people are coming there by having Weld County District 6 and the city of Greeley

1130
01:33:24,210 --> 01:33:29,910
all located there. We're hoping to increase foot traffic, which we hope will in turn impact

1131
01:33:29,910 --> 01:33:31,650
local businesses for the better.

1132
01:33:33,910 --> 01:33:39,550
One of the things that has come to our attention is comments

1133
01:33:39,550 --> 01:33:46,670
from Weld County concerning the Justice Center and their concern over having improved walkability,

1134
01:33:46,670 --> 01:33:51,990
having people who are able to get in and out easily, and because they're pulling from

1135
01:33:51,990 --> 01:33:58,690
citizens that don't just live in really, that may not be familiar with the downtown,

1136
01:33:59,210 --> 01:34:03,190
they're concerned about people getting lost or getting distracted by having to go around

1137
01:34:03,190 --> 01:34:07,810
the block multiple times due to the one-way configuration that's currently in place.

1138
01:34:08,670 --> 01:34:12,350
And so we took that into consideration when we were making these recommendations.

1139
01:34:12,350 --> 01:34:26,050
But overall, this project is intended to improve safety for people that are driving, walking and biking, while strengthening the downtown connections, and to create a more comfortable pedestrian environment.

1140
01:34:30,230 --> 01:34:37,170
A lot of engineering is like a big seesaw where we are trying to balance the needs of different groups.

1141
01:34:37,170 --> 01:34:45,690
This project is absolutely no different in that we're trying to balance pedestrians and vehicles, which is the first and foremost thing.

1142
01:34:46,270 --> 01:34:53,790
But safety and speed, what are the costs of delays in traffic versus what are the costs of loss of life?

1143
01:34:55,030 --> 01:35:02,010
What is the offset between parking and more traffic capacity?

1144
01:35:02,010 --> 01:35:08,150
And so it's just one big teeter tauter that we're trying to balance and because this

1145
01:35:08,150 --> 01:35:13,370
is a difficult decision, again we're bringing it to council to help us weigh out what

1146
01:35:13,370 --> 01:35:21,110
are those highest and most important items that the council wants to see out of this project.

1147
01:35:25,490 --> 01:35:29,850
So we have two scenarios that we're asking the council to weigh and choose between.

1148
01:35:29,850 --> 01:35:39,430
One of these scenarios takes the current cross section which is three lanes of through traffic and converting that down into two lanes of through traffic.

1149
01:35:39,990 --> 01:35:45,410
The second scenario takes it from three lanes of through traffic down to a single lane of through traffic.

1150
01:35:46,070 --> 01:35:52,950
Both of these scenarios share similar assumptions and feedback that we received in the design process.

1151
01:35:53,230 --> 01:35:56,950
Both are going to implement a continuous center left turn lane.

1152
01:35:56,950 --> 01:36:04,510
and we're asking that you consider the Justice Center in particular for this

1153
01:36:04,510 --> 01:36:13,090
block when weighing your decisions. In a very oversimplified manner and at its

1154
01:36:13,090 --> 01:36:20,990
most extreme level, two ends of that teeter totter that C song is A is our

1155
01:36:20,990 --> 01:36:27,670
emphasis more on pedestrian accessibility being pedestrian friendly and increasing parking

1156
01:36:28,230 --> 01:36:32,130
or is it on getting cars through that intersection as fast as possible?

1157
01:36:37,710 --> 01:36:38,270
That's feasible.

1158
01:36:40,580 --> 01:36:48,480
So the question for Council to begin with is, what is your vision for the downtown and

1159
01:36:48,480 --> 01:36:51,060
how do our streets play into that vision?

1160
01:36:51,060 --> 01:36:56,720
how do you view parking and its role in the downtown?

1161
01:36:57,580 --> 01:37:04,840
How do you view our responsibility for moving both pedestrians and vehicles through the downtown area?

1162
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:13,840
So one of our considerations in this design was the Justice Block.

1163
01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:18,260
As you can see on the left hand side is their proposed parking structure.

1164
01:37:18,260 --> 01:37:27,900
They have requested to have three different entrances and exits with the ability to go both in and out of each of those three locations.

1165
01:37:29,080 --> 01:37:32,160
And then on the right-hand side is the Justice Center itself.

1166
01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:38,280
And again, they expect to have a lot of traffic here coming in on a daily basis.

1167
01:37:38,780 --> 01:37:41,340
People that may or may not be familiar with the downtown.

1168
01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:45,680
If they're on jury duty, they may not be happy to be there in the first place.

1169
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:52,960
but trying to make it as comfortable as possible without adding to the confusion and the stress

1170
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:58,520
of that day. And so there are concerns for access and for safety, both for pedestrians

1171
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:00,480
and for vehicles in this area.

1172
01:38:06,790 --> 01:38:10,610
As you can see, we're proposing to take the two-way traffic

1173
01:38:10,610 --> 01:38:17,370
that already currently exists, one block to the east, extend that back to the west to include

1174
01:38:17,370 --> 01:38:22,850
the Justice Center and the to be determined area by World County.

1175
01:38:24,470 --> 01:38:32,130
Under both of the recommended cross-sections tonight includes the center turn lane and

1176
01:38:32,130 --> 01:38:37,990
includes to a traffic as our base assumption and we are trying to coordinate this traffic

1177
01:38:37,990 --> 01:38:41,230
not just for this block but for the entire downtown.

1178
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:49,360
So you see here that this is what we have titled our preferred alternative.

1179
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:55,860
It is preferred only in the sense that this is staff's recommendation to council.

1180
01:38:56,780 --> 01:39:02,940
It includes for the block between 11th Avenue and 10th Avenue to have one way traffic in

1181
01:39:02,940 --> 01:39:08,020
each direction, that center turn lane and with parallel parking on both sides of the road.

1182
01:39:09,240 --> 01:39:15,000
After that for the next two blocks is a similar cross section but with the exception of angled

1183
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:22,260
parking, which allows us to get even more vehicles in there as opposed to parallel parking.

1184
01:39:25,590 --> 01:39:32,330
Some of the pros for this cross section include that the intersections are shorter for pedestrians

1185
01:39:32,330 --> 01:39:38,290
who are trying to cross, makes it a little bit easier to do ADA accessibility, better lane

1186
01:39:38,290 --> 01:39:42,850
alignment with the current low through that area.

1187
01:39:42,850 --> 01:39:53,610
And again, it has the senator turn lane, which at the intersections will convert into either designated left or designated right depending on the need.

1188
01:39:54,610 --> 01:40:05,430
The cons or the drawbacks of this cross section include that it is going to result in a longer delay to vehicles and a longer queue.

1189
01:40:05,430 --> 01:40:10,430
Now, I'd say longer, but we're not talking exponential.

1190
01:40:11,350 --> 01:40:14,030
We're talking basically a few seconds.

1191
01:40:15,030 --> 01:40:20,330
So between our no-build solution, which is basically that we keep a three-road cross-section

1192
01:40:20,330 --> 01:40:26,850
and either going to this one, which is a single lane through,

1193
01:40:27,290 --> 01:40:30,090
we're talking a delay anticipated of three seconds.

1194
01:40:34,300 --> 01:40:35,900
That is in 2045.

1195
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:44,640
One of the things that we can deduce from that is that currently the three lanes that we have going through is overbuilt for our needs.

1196
01:40:48,530 --> 01:40:50,430
The next alternative, if

1197
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:57,900
I don't click too fast, is to keep two lanes as through traffic.

1198
01:40:58,340 --> 01:41:02,080
We still have a two-way traffic and a center turnling.

1199
01:41:02,820 --> 01:41:07,900
However, rather than having the angled parking, especially between eighth and tenth,

1200
01:41:07,900 --> 01:41:14,300
We are now looking at one side of parallel parking through the entire three blocks of

1201
01:41:14,300 --> 01:41:15,400
the downtown project.

1202
01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:23,480
It does increase throughput as I mentioned, the three-second delay in the model for the

1203
01:41:23,480 --> 01:41:30,080
one lane, having two lanes results in no additional delay anticipated.

1204
01:41:30,460 --> 01:41:35,400
So basically whatever traffic we're going to have in 2045 with three lanes, we expect

1205
01:41:35,400 --> 01:41:38,660
to have the same level of traffic in 2045 with two lanes.

1206
01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:45,020
It does allow for more speed and throughput.

1207
01:41:45,540 --> 01:41:48,820
I think we can see through various examples throughout town.

1208
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:53,040
Usually the wider the street, the more open it is,

1209
01:41:53,460 --> 01:41:54,740
the more lanes you have.

1210
01:41:55,380 --> 01:41:57,220
The tendency is for people to go faster.

1211
01:41:58,080 --> 01:42:00,260
It's just human nature for whatever reason.

1212
01:42:00,900 --> 01:42:03,840
The tendency, once you shrink lanes down,

1213
01:42:03,980 --> 01:42:04,800
you put up some trees.

1214
01:42:05,540 --> 01:42:07,500
You have some more traffic in front of you.

1215
01:42:07,500 --> 01:42:10,640
It just has a natural effect of slowing traffic.

1216
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:16,100
And so this does allow for more throughput, does allow for higher speeds.

1217
01:42:16,720 --> 01:42:19,740
Again, we still have the center to a left turn lane.

1218
01:42:20,340 --> 01:42:22,640
It is much closer to current expectations.

1219
01:42:23,220 --> 01:42:27,640
So whatever we would see now, we would see with two lanes, whatever we see 20 years from

1220
01:42:27,640 --> 01:42:29,340
now, we would see the same situation.

1221
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:31,800
It does result in a shorter queuing.

1222
01:42:32,340 --> 01:42:34,000
It does result in less delay.

1223
01:42:34,620 --> 01:42:39,080
Some of the cons of this are you reduce parking by quite a bit.

1224
01:42:39,540 --> 01:42:44,240
It's also more difficult to parallel park than it is to pull into angle parking into back out.

1225
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:54,480
It takes a little bit longer and so there is a tendency of people to get up right on your tail as you're trying to make that maneuver and back in on their horn.

1226
01:42:54,700 --> 01:42:57,040
Be a little bit less than cordial with you.

1227
01:42:57,040 --> 01:43:04,160
And so that is a possibility that we would run into that more and more with the parallel parking.

1228
01:43:05,740 --> 01:43:12,620
With that all being said, we are asking the council if there is a consensus one way or the other,

1229
01:43:12,780 --> 01:43:15,240
between one of these two options.

1230
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:24,300
If there's not, then we will certainly go back to the drawing board and we would love to hear what we should be looking at,

1231
01:43:24,300 --> 01:43:29,180
as far as that seesaw of what we're trying to balance so that we have some better

1232
01:43:29,180 --> 01:43:31,220
items of what that third option might be.

1233
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:39,240
Are we ready?

1234
01:43:41,400 --> 01:43:45,080
Okay, so let me ask a question before Johnny gets involved here.

1235
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:47,460
Can we all go to that?

1236
01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:48,580
Yes, I'll go.

1237
01:43:48,840 --> 01:43:50,160
You guys all go to form me.

1238
01:43:52,040 --> 01:43:54,840
So why are we having a center lane?

1239
01:43:57,350 --> 01:43:58,410
What do they call this?

1240
01:43:58,510 --> 01:43:59,290
Two-way left-turn lane.

1241
01:43:59,570 --> 01:44:00,570
Two-way left-turn lanes?

1242
01:44:01,050 --> 01:44:01,990
Why do we have that?

1243
01:44:02,710 --> 01:44:10,290
downtown, where are you going to turn? I don't get that. That is an excellent question.

1244
01:44:11,410 --> 01:44:19,470
Some of it is a safety aspect. By having it be more restrictive of only having one

1245
01:44:19,470 --> 01:44:26,550
lane and having a space between you and other traffic, if you get the wild hair to go ahead

1246
01:44:26,550 --> 01:44:30,850
to make a left-turn lane from the wrong lane.

1247
01:44:31,210 --> 01:44:34,170
You have a few extra seconds to hit the brakes.

1248
01:44:35,350 --> 01:44:36,450
Where are you gonna turn?

1249
01:44:37,370 --> 01:44:39,350
So the Justice Center is a good example.

1250
01:44:39,870 --> 01:44:41,310
Both on 9th and 10th Street,

1251
01:44:41,430 --> 01:44:44,030
they're requesting to have entrances

1252
01:44:44,030 --> 01:44:45,510
into their parking structure.

1253
01:44:52,330 --> 01:44:53,310
They're making sense to me.

1254
01:44:54,130 --> 01:44:55,250
And I'm just for the record,

1255
01:44:55,410 --> 01:44:58,390
I hate parallel parking, so whatever.

1256
01:44:59,050 --> 01:44:59,250
So.

1257
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:08,180
John, did you really want to go last? Sure. Okay. You guys asked my questions. I'll either count. Let's, let's go to Melissa first.

1258
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:29,940
I'm going to really pass somebody off with this question. But why do we have to have parking in front of the, I mean, we have all these parking garages and parking lots. So can't we just make it prettier without the parking? We can. That is definitely an option. One of the

1259
01:45:29,940 --> 01:45:37,020
The assumptions that was made early on in this process was the desire to maximize parking

1260
01:45:37,820 --> 01:45:42,440
throughout not just on the campuses themselves, but in the surrounding area.

1261
01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:48,260
And so that was what we were working off of is this desire to maximize parking.

1262
01:45:51,110 --> 01:45:54,830
There's not like a real need for it, is there a need for it or?

1263
01:45:56,490 --> 01:46:02,350
We're only in the eyes of those that like to have parking right out front of their structure.

1264
01:46:03,970 --> 01:46:09,010
And so for any businesses that are located along there, not necessarily on the blocks

1265
01:46:09,010 --> 01:46:09,910
that we're describing.

1266
01:46:15,270 --> 01:46:18,590
So we're kind of linear and so that is a lot of us.

1267
01:46:21,190 --> 01:46:28,730
But if anyone's wanting to get into city hall, anyone's wanting to get into the county administration,

1268
01:46:29,830 --> 01:46:34,130
We tend to be lazy as humans and so we try to find the shortest path possible.

1269
01:46:35,250 --> 01:46:38,510
Do we have to have parking that's additional on street we do not.

1270
01:46:39,710 --> 01:46:45,230
We have looked at some of the agreements with district six which are not necessarily this area right here.

1271
01:46:45,930 --> 01:46:54,630
We're there asking for some parking but as far as I can tell in my research there's not a specific number assigned to that.

1272
01:46:55,230 --> 01:46:57,530
It's just the general desire to have parking.

1273
01:46:58,190 --> 01:47:04,010
Well, a lot of those parking spaces are limited by two hours or permit, say, is that going

1274
01:47:04,010 --> 01:47:09,110
to, would this be a permit, would it be like anything else that we have going on out there?

1275
01:47:09,590 --> 01:47:11,930
Even if you're similar to what we have in the rest of the downtown.

1276
01:47:12,910 --> 01:47:14,690
Okay. Thank you.

1277
01:47:15,490 --> 01:47:15,930
Dennis.

1278
01:47:17,330 --> 01:47:25,570
Thank you, Mayor. I like what the citizens said. They want a safe place and I think that means

1279
01:47:25,570 --> 01:47:43,630
walking and biking and neither of these alternatives are good for cyclists and in my opinion are we going to direct them on the sidewalk because there's no bike trails in your proposal on either design.

1280
01:47:45,550 --> 01:47:49,290
There's no room unless we do away with someone else.

1281
01:47:49,630 --> 01:47:55,590
Okay. Well, we just had a fatal accident here on this corner. A lot of people ride bikes.

1282
01:47:55,730 --> 01:48:03,030
And I think that our business people downtown want folks to kind of linger and come on in.

1283
01:48:03,350 --> 01:48:11,630
So my hope and wish would be to slow things way down and give pedestrians and cyclists

1284
01:48:11,630 --> 01:48:17,790
the priority to get through the intersections in the street safely so if you think option

1285
01:48:17,790 --> 01:48:30,490
one is the safest for home for the walker in the cyclist at the intersections it is traveling parallel

1286
01:48:30,490 --> 01:48:34,850
to traffic it is probably not the ideal for by seconds that's

1287
01:48:39,490 --> 01:48:43,950
problematic okay Greg I

1288
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:48,460
agree with

1289
01:48:48,460 --> 01:48:52,280
mayor on the parallel parking. I don't think anybody

1290
01:48:52,280 --> 01:48:55,080
generally knows how to parallel park to begin with. So your

1291
01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:57,960
assessment that parallel parking be quicker, I think it's

1292
01:48:57,960 --> 01:49:03,140
probably slower as long as it takes people to parallel park. So

1293
01:49:03,140 --> 01:49:06,900
my vote would be to do the diagonal parking. I think it's

1294
01:49:06,900 --> 01:49:10,180
pre-effective in the other parts of the city as far as getting

1295
01:49:10,180 --> 01:49:17,030
people around. So anyone else before I turn it over from an

1296
01:49:17,030 --> 01:49:21,530
insurance perspective, I would disagree on the ankle parking.

1297
01:49:23,190 --> 01:49:24,690
I'm going to mention that.

1298
01:49:24,750 --> 01:49:26,210
We're steadies on that one.

1299
01:49:27,750 --> 01:49:30,590
All right, Johnny, do you have anything you'd like to say?

1300
01:49:30,910 --> 01:49:32,170
Yeah, I've got a few things.

1301
01:49:33,310 --> 01:49:35,250
One of the things we'll start with parking.

1302
01:49:36,110 --> 01:49:39,530
If you really look at the accident history on ankle parking,

1303
01:49:39,770 --> 01:49:44,810
is anybody ever been to Windsor during a normal day and try to get back out of

1304
01:49:44,810 --> 01:49:49,570
an angle parking onto 392 and that is a nightmare.

1305
01:49:51,390 --> 01:49:55,510
So, angle parking, I'd rather do, I can, I can, I can move the parks.

1306
01:49:56,110 --> 01:49:58,570
And cars have that in features now that you don't need,

1307
01:49:58,650 --> 01:50:00,330
you just push a button and it does it for you.

1308
01:50:01,630 --> 01:50:05,370
So, I, I, I agree with parking to me in this vicinity,

1309
01:50:06,610 --> 01:50:08,490
parking in front of the Centennial block,

1310
01:50:08,730 --> 01:50:12,210
or a future developments, a future dev,

1311
01:50:12,210 --> 01:50:19,210
or West Justice Center or City Hall, we're going to have parking garages for all those people and having parking on that street.

1312
01:50:19,630 --> 01:50:25,510
I would say if it was five or six restaurants, or there was businesses down there, all this would make sense.

1313
01:50:26,030 --> 01:50:29,050
But right now, I'm going to take it down a different path.

1314
01:50:29,530 --> 01:50:35,270
What is this road classification? What is it classified? What's the road classification in Greeley for death right now?

1315
01:50:36,510 --> 01:50:40,150
I believe it's an arterial. Major arterial. I'm going to read you something.

1316
01:50:40,150 --> 01:50:49,910
The major arterial is a high capacity urban road designed to move large volumes through traffic across the city or between major regional destinations.

1317
01:50:50,490 --> 01:50:56,530
Can you name one other street in the city of Greeley that goes almost all the way through because it ends at 8th.

1318
01:50:56,650 --> 01:50:58,110
It almost goes through the entire city.

1319
01:51:01,270 --> 01:51:04,810
You're asking my geography when I'm new on the job.

1320
01:51:06,170 --> 01:51:06,910
Say no.

1321
01:51:06,910 --> 01:51:09,810
No, I think the answer is no.

1322
01:51:09,950 --> 01:51:13,990
Our city is about as close as it gets, and that's a collector.

1323
01:51:14,790 --> 01:51:20,930
So no, there's no major arterial, other than West 30, 34 bypass, and 10,000 are the

1324
01:51:20,930 --> 01:51:22,270
go-completely through our communities.

1325
01:51:22,790 --> 01:51:25,110
So I read you the definition of a major arterial.

1326
01:51:25,270 --> 01:51:29,090
It is for throughput, major arterials are made for throughput.

1327
01:51:30,930 --> 01:51:32,510
So I want you to think about that.

1328
01:51:32,870 --> 01:51:36,570
And I agree with all the pedestrian safety and the bike and ped, and I agree with all the

1329
01:51:36,570 --> 01:51:42,010
safety components. I'm not anti-safety, but it's the combination of a major arterial

1330
01:51:42,010 --> 01:51:51,230
versus all the other integration of the other modes. On slide six, I'm going to go through

1331
01:51:51,230 --> 01:51:53,770
slide six, seven, twelve, and thirteen.

1332
01:51:58,660 --> 01:52:01,640
So I agree with everything you have on this slide,

1333
01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:08,400
and I do agree with converting this one way to two way between 11th and 10th Avenue. I think

1334
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:12,660
I think that's a smart thing for the circulation of the jurors and all the parking in the area.

1335
01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:14,860
So I'm not going to take that away from you.

1336
01:52:14,940 --> 01:52:17,160
That was an excellent idea and I think that's, that's great.

1337
01:52:18,220 --> 01:52:23,040
safer vehicles, walking and biking on your first alternative, your preferred alternative, I think is wrong.

1338
01:52:24,100 --> 01:52:26,240
People often don't walk to intersections.

1339
01:52:26,240 --> 01:52:31,500
They typically walk between cars to run across the street, which impairs vision and

1340
01:52:31,500 --> 01:52:32,800
impairs driving sight distance.

1341
01:52:33,340 --> 01:52:37,840
So that parking is going to hinder because people will not always go to the corners.

1342
01:52:38,480 --> 01:52:43,660
I don't know. I run across the street quite often. I play for auger and traffic. That's what we do.

1343
01:52:44,540 --> 01:52:47,100
Don't say anybody up here has never jaywalked in their life.

1344
01:52:48,840 --> 01:52:51,000
So I think it's more dangerous for

1345
01:52:52,740 --> 01:52:53,620
the vehicles

1346
01:52:54,420 --> 01:52:57,940
Walking and biking. It's really not safe and let's go to the intersections

1347
01:52:58,920 --> 01:53:01,780
But everything else on that slide. I agree with slide seven.

1348
01:53:03,830 --> 01:53:05,850
I want to do this major materials

1349
01:53:05,850 --> 01:53:13,910
One of the things that I really think that's important is that we do have a safer bike and pet, but that's not always slowing traffic down.

1350
01:53:14,550 --> 01:53:24,050
That's enforcing the bike and pet laws. A lot of times people don't, they don't follow the laws of biking and walking and they do stupid things like me and run across the street.

1351
01:53:24,590 --> 01:53:30,930
So I really think that we really got to look to how we're going to maximize that, move the parking to facilitate some of that.

1352
01:53:30,930 --> 01:53:33,330
So there's more site distance along with it.

1353
01:53:36,590 --> 01:53:42,600
Um, one of the things that I would say go to slide 13.

1354
01:53:43,120 --> 01:53:44,460
I think that's the third alternative.

1355
01:53:52,040 --> 01:53:53,560
Well, I don't go go to 14.

1356
01:53:54,380 --> 01:53:54,640
14.

1357
01:53:55,180 --> 01:53:56,180
Which yeah, 14.

1358
01:53:56,420 --> 01:53:57,240
Which is the one that.

1359
01:53:58,040 --> 01:53:59,240
So this right here.

1360
01:53:59,740 --> 01:54:02,300
I didn't care less about the side parking.

1361
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:03,820
I don't think I agree with everybody.

1362
01:54:03,820 --> 01:54:05,020
I don't even know why we need it.

1363
01:54:05,420 --> 01:54:07,820
I think this design does a lot of things.

1364
01:54:07,820 --> 01:54:08,980
So it adds one extra lane.

1365
01:54:10,400 --> 01:54:13,880
You've reduced it down to three, which is three today,

1366
01:54:14,120 --> 01:54:17,260
but it also gives locations in the left-turn,

1367
01:54:17,780 --> 01:54:18,880
two-way left-turn lane.

1368
01:54:18,980 --> 01:54:21,620
You can put refugees in there down at the intersection,

1369
01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:24,100
so they have safer paths to cross.

1370
01:54:24,300 --> 01:54:25,640
There's things you can do at the intersections

1371
01:54:25,640 --> 01:54:26,560
to improve safety.

1372
01:54:27,380 --> 01:54:30,020
But this right here really means the definition

1373
01:54:30,020 --> 01:54:31,140
of major arterial.

1374
01:54:31,820 --> 01:54:33,600
And I will tell you right now, this council,

1375
01:54:33,600 --> 01:54:40,280
if we took that down to one lane in each direction they would be asking who is the idiot that

1376
01:54:40,280 --> 01:54:45,760
approved that. And I won't be the idiot that consensus that. I promise you that.

1377
01:54:48,240 --> 01:54:52,500
Well, they will. We've had it. That's what they call us. Who is the idiot that approved that?

1378
01:54:52,720 --> 01:54:58,560
Do you not get that every other Tuesday? So I really think it's important that we look

1379
01:54:58,560 --> 01:55:03,380
out through put movements on this corridor. I think it's major arterial. It needs to be handled

1380
01:55:03,380 --> 01:55:11,100
as a major arterial. I don't think we're going to reclassify this to a collector or a minor arterial

1381
01:55:11,100 --> 01:55:16,960
in the anytime soon because it's still a state highway. It's not even really our road,

1382
01:55:17,340 --> 01:55:22,920
borrowing it and paying for the use of it. So I really think that I disagree with the one-way

1383
01:55:22,920 --> 01:55:28,600
each direction. I do think the left turn line is a safety feature, but it also gives access to

1384
01:55:28,600 --> 01:55:35,320
that access to the parking facility so people don't have to drive completely around, but it does

1385
01:55:35,320 --> 01:55:41,280
give you full movements, and I do like the revised alternative. Obviously, we talked about this before,

1386
01:55:42,080 --> 01:55:46,280
but I do think this is still a safer situation, especially if you get rid of the parking.

1387
01:55:49,640 --> 01:55:50,300
I'll stop there.

1388
01:55:50,300 --> 01:55:54,520
Can I engage with Johnny for a second?

1389
01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:55,800
Sure.

1390
01:55:56,080 --> 01:55:56,220
Please.

1391
01:55:57,360 --> 01:55:58,360
I'm just curious.

1392
01:55:58,580 --> 01:56:02,260
We just did 16th Street, which is a thoroughfare.

1393
01:56:02,460 --> 01:56:03,520
It's an arterial.

1394
01:56:03,880 --> 01:56:07,100
What about doing something like that here?

1395
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:08,360
And these two bots.

1396
01:56:09,060 --> 01:56:09,760
Center parking.

1397
01:56:11,080 --> 01:56:14,080
A little slower going through.

1398
01:56:14,420 --> 01:56:17,140
If it wasn't a major throughput road, I would agree with it.

1399
01:56:17,140 --> 01:56:21,340
but a lot of people come in ten to ninth and come into the community through those two

1400
01:56:21,340 --> 01:56:27,700
corridors. That street is made to move traffic. It's not made, it's to be safe, but it's

1401
01:56:27,700 --> 01:56:32,320
made to move traffic through our communities. And if we start shrinking down our major arterios,

1402
01:56:32,920 --> 01:56:37,860
we start, and I disagree with their numbers in terms of seven-second delays. I haven't seen

1403
01:56:37,860 --> 01:56:43,660
the assumptions or the traffic model, so I can't counter on that. But there's going to be a lot

1404
01:56:43,660 --> 01:56:47,960
more delays. You know, you think of Friday Fest, you think of Stampede, you think of all the

1405
01:56:47,960 --> 01:56:52,160
things that we go, the people do go down town for, those roads are going to be blocked up. If you

1406
01:56:52,160 --> 01:56:58,160
stood down there at 7 a.m. in the morning, there's a lot of traffic, and you start taking that three lanes

1407
01:56:58,160 --> 01:56:58,720
into one.

1408
01:57:01,280 --> 01:57:05,720
The traffic is going to move and go into the neighborhoods. It's called redistribution of

1409
01:57:05,720 --> 01:57:10,860
traffic, and then all of a sudden those streets that are collectors aren't designed for major traffic,

1410
01:57:10,880 --> 01:57:14,760
so we're going to start having to do more projects in those communities. One of those pizza

1411
01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:18,180
that live in their homes and their residents are going to start complaining that, why

1412
01:57:18,180 --> 01:57:22,520
have a son to have more traffic? And that's just going to be a compounding thing that's

1413
01:57:22,520 --> 01:57:29,260
going to happen to us over the course of this one way each direction. So, I just disagree

1414
01:57:29,260 --> 01:57:34,800
with it and it's just going to be a really big blunder on our side. I feel.

1415
01:57:36,520 --> 01:57:42,540
Do you think that on this picture that we're on right now, Seth? If we took out that parking

1416
01:57:42,540 --> 01:57:44,300
because there's just one row of parking.

1417
01:57:44,600 --> 01:57:47,360
Would that be, is there enough room to put two bike lanes

1418
01:57:47,360 --> 01:57:50,500
on each side if we just took that parking out?

1419
01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:54,120
So I'm going to assume I've got a look to Steven,

1420
01:57:54,120 --> 01:57:57,260
my walking in cyclepedia, but I believe it's eight foot.

1421
01:57:57,760 --> 01:57:59,100
Does there kind of leave for the parking?

1422
01:58:00,120 --> 01:58:03,600
And so that would obviously split out into four foot lanes.

1423
01:58:04,240 --> 01:58:05,580
Typically it's a little bit more comfortable

1424
01:58:05,580 --> 01:58:08,300
if you can get five or six foot for a bike lane,

1425
01:58:08,480 --> 01:58:10,800
but for urban area.

1426
01:58:10,800 --> 01:58:23,800
Yeah, you can, but if you took the left turn lane, the left two way left turn lane, down, down, down, down, yeah, shrink it down, shrink the lanes down to 11 foot, there's 11 foot lanes on a major arterials is acceptable according to the green book after green book.

1427
01:58:23,820 --> 01:58:28,900
So I think you can get that bike path, that's six foot bike path and by just making some reduction in your lanes.

1428
01:58:28,900 --> 01:58:36,040
And I have to agree with the council member, the beauty that we're not taking into account

1429
01:58:36,500 --> 01:58:45,880
the bicycles, and being on the puter of the trail quarterboard, one of the things that

1430
01:58:45,880 --> 01:58:51,100
we're working on this very second is getting the trail to downtown.

1431
01:58:51,780 --> 01:58:56,240
And the downtown development authorities is bringing that up in their next meeting to

1432
01:58:56,240 --> 01:59:04,480
trying to discuss how do we get bicycles into the downtown area and this doesn't mean anything

1433
01:59:04,480 --> 01:59:10,860
to me and I guess I'm if we go along that line we start looking at whether or not we've got

1434
01:59:10,860 --> 01:59:16,560
bike lanes in what this is like three blocks or four blocks what about the rest of the blocks how

1435
01:59:16,560 --> 01:59:23,100
you know where does that start and stop we've got to we've got to fix all that too so

1436
01:59:25,950 --> 01:59:27,130
hopefully

1437
01:59:27,130 --> 01:59:27,410
Yeah,

1438
01:59:30,040 --> 01:59:37,860
I don't think this just gives anything to the pedestrian or the well at least to the bike

1439
01:59:39,400 --> 01:59:46,800
The pedestrian's got sidewalks, but I still think this center lane is kind of goofy

1440
01:59:48,020 --> 01:59:54,940
So what I'm hearing just to recap is this would be the preferred but in lieu of the parking on one side

1441
01:59:54,940 --> 01:59:59,780
We would split that out and have bike lanes in each direction. Is that accurate?

1442
02:00:04,280 --> 02:00:30,000
The only question I guess I have in that design concept is that, like I said, it's only four blocks. What happens to the block after it and the block after that and going from there? How do you, how do you get rid of parking in one block? And that's a, it's a big kind of warrant. It is, and you are 100% correct mayor. It is a big ask and it's a big

1443
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:38,020
big change, culturally, even, especially as people are used to being vehicle people to

1444
02:00:38,020 --> 02:00:44,940
get around. The SS4A, the state streets for all project, is, again, a five-year pilot

1445
02:00:44,940 --> 02:00:53,060
program to implement, quite a few lane miles of pedestrian improvements, especially for

1446
02:00:53,060 --> 02:00:58,500
bike lanes, and the whole idea is to get people used to the idea of sharing the road.

1447
02:00:59,140 --> 02:01:06,280
and so this is a substantial step in that direction. Our hope is that our findings are going to

1448
02:01:06,280 --> 02:01:13,860
support that the citizens are behind this concept of share the road. They're buying into the idea

1449
02:01:13,860 --> 02:01:20,680
of more bike lanes and it's like anything else. If you were to just cover the entire map in bike

1450
02:01:20,680 --> 02:01:27,560
lanes, you'd have a lot of resistance but as it has more buy-in and more people who are utilizing it,

1451
02:01:27,560 --> 02:01:30,840
more people who feel safe using the bike lanes.

1452
02:01:31,000 --> 02:01:33,160
It begins to grow and there's more support

1453
02:01:33,160 --> 02:01:35,780
for widening that network.

1454
02:01:37,160 --> 02:01:39,960
And if I'm understanding what John is concept

1455
02:01:39,960 --> 02:01:43,000
is having two lanes eastbound.

1456
02:01:44,100 --> 02:01:45,920
And then two lanes westbound.

1457
02:01:46,240 --> 02:01:47,860
Yeah, it would be two lanes on,

1458
02:01:49,280 --> 02:01:51,660
so looking at two lanes headed into town

1459
02:01:51,660 --> 02:01:54,000
and two lanes headed out of town with one lane circulating.

1460
02:02:00,270 --> 02:02:01,150
Okay, then.

1461
02:02:01,770 --> 02:02:09,910
That's my that's my vote so that would be alternative to turn it to with the substitution

1462
02:02:09,910 --> 02:02:15,790
for bike lanes but I'm I'm not convinced that you need to get rid of parking just to

1463
02:02:15,790 --> 02:02:25,270
get bike lanes so I heard our expert here say you could shrink it I don't yeah I don't

1464
02:02:25,270 --> 02:02:29,870
think there's enough with to do parking and bike lanes because you you can reduce lanes

1465
02:02:29,870 --> 02:02:37,450
So you've got three lanes, that's three foot, then you reduce the center lane turning to 12 foot, or what is the center turning lanes at 16?

1466
02:02:40,000 --> 02:02:41,800
Steven, is that center turning lane 16?

1467
02:02:43,220 --> 02:02:45,360
With the center turning lane.

1468
02:02:48,830 --> 02:02:53,430
Jumping in on the lane discussion.

1469
02:02:53,790 --> 02:02:58,090
The lanes are already 11 foot, so both the preferred and revised alternative.

1470
02:02:58,090 --> 02:03:04,170
of 11 foot through lanes, 8 foot parking lane for the parallel parking, and I believe

1471
02:03:04,170 --> 02:03:06,450
an 11 foot to a left turn lane.

1472
02:03:06,670 --> 02:03:07,950
We've already got a reduced.

1473
02:03:08,570 --> 02:03:09,910
We could go further.

1474
02:03:10,130 --> 02:03:12,230
We've consulted with our transit folks.

1475
02:03:12,530 --> 02:03:18,610
We can't go less than 11 for a bus lane, which there is bus service running along here.

1476
02:03:19,310 --> 02:03:21,690
The interior lane could go down to 10.

1477
02:03:22,110 --> 02:03:23,530
It's going to feel a little bit tight.

1478
02:03:23,810 --> 02:03:26,130
You see those in Denver periodically.

1479
02:03:26,130 --> 02:03:33,330
It's where you feel like you're right next to the mirror of the car next to you, but you can do that

1480
02:03:34,030 --> 02:03:37,110
So you've already got reduced lanes in here. Correct, sir

1481
02:03:38,030 --> 02:03:42,150
So my question is could you reduce your buffer area where the green space is

1482
02:03:42,910 --> 02:03:48,450
What is the green I mean the green space how wide so give me sort of a typical section. You got a 10 foot sidewalk

1483
02:03:49,810 --> 02:03:53,690
Correct, so existing is I believe six foot

1484
02:03:54,350 --> 02:04:02,930
maybe a bit wider. We did not include a wider shared use path, primarily because that is planned to come with new development.

1485
02:04:03,630 --> 02:04:11,050
You can see on the 10th F block and the 11th F block on the south side that there is future development.

1486
02:04:11,330 --> 02:04:14,730
So we thought we would wait until new development comes in.

1487
02:04:14,930 --> 02:04:20,450
At that time, we could look at more of a 10 foot, even 12 foot wide shared use path,

1488
02:04:20,450 --> 02:04:26,110
which could accommodate shared bikes and pedestrians.

1489
02:04:26,110 --> 02:04:32,810
However, until that happens, on-street bicycle facilities

1490
02:04:33,130 --> 02:04:38,450
would likely be the most realistic option to implement on the interim.

1491
02:04:38,930 --> 02:04:44,190
So I answered my question, what's that green space between the back of curb and the sidewalk?

1492
02:04:44,190 --> 02:04:44,930
How wide is that?

1493
02:04:44,930 --> 02:04:52,370
So, for the block from 11th to 10th Avenue, I believe it's around 8th foot.

1494
02:04:52,670 --> 02:04:54,430
I'd have to consult my notes on that.

1495
02:04:54,850 --> 02:04:59,770
But it changes when you get to the Centennial block where that green space goes away and

1496
02:04:59,770 --> 02:05:06,310
it's primarily paved surface all the way from the back of the sidewalk to the back of

1497
02:05:06,310 --> 02:05:06,610
the curb.

1498
02:05:07,190 --> 02:05:13,530
So we can reduce that green space to help reduce the green space, get rid of the parking

1499
02:05:13,530 --> 02:05:19,790
to get your six-foot on each side, at least for one block and we can investigate the other two

1500
02:05:19,790 --> 02:05:26,510
blocks of whether we can reduce the width of the sidewalk in that area. And between 10th and 8,

1501
02:05:26,630 --> 02:05:30,970
there is businesses along that corridor. Do you have parking in there too?

1502
02:05:32,810 --> 02:05:41,010
Between 10th and 8th, 9th and 8th. So this would, if we replace that with a bike lane,

1503
02:05:41,010 --> 02:05:43,210
and there would be no on-street parking for those three blocks.

1504
02:05:44,830 --> 02:05:44,950
All right,

1505
02:05:54,050 --> 02:05:55,830
so I'm not sure what we're going to be doing here,

1506
02:05:56,030 --> 02:06:00,990
but I've converted to Johnny's plan so that when somebody's upset,

1507
02:06:01,450 --> 02:06:01,990
it's his fault.

1508
02:06:05,190 --> 02:06:07,590
I don't have to stamp it, but I've been loaned it.

1509
02:06:10,510 --> 02:06:13,210
So I still

1510
02:06:15,380 --> 02:06:21,340
think option two has some refinement that could go into it

1511
02:06:21,340 --> 02:06:30,000
as far as the final design, but we do it with a two-way in and the way it's option two, a good option

1512
02:06:30,700 --> 02:06:38,980
is our consensus. So that's an option. What do we need any more? Do we need any more on

1513
02:06:38,980 --> 02:06:48,860
refinement of what we can do with the two lanes in? No, the overall concept that you've agreed to

1514
02:06:48,860 --> 02:06:54,240
gives us plenty of guidance. Now it's just getting down to the cat on the survey to squeeze

1515
02:06:54,240 --> 02:06:56,880
it in. Okay. I'm

1516
02:06:59,860 --> 02:07:01,160
going to look and see if they can reduce

1517
02:07:01,160 --> 02:07:06,540
thousands getting developed to meet standard. And I'm not I'm not sure you're going to get rid of

1518
02:07:06,540 --> 02:07:12,340
parking, but. So, Mayor and Council, if I can just to make sure that we come back to you with any

1519
02:07:12,340 --> 02:07:17,640
additional information, I heard you have some consensus around option two and you'd like us to continue

1520
02:07:17,640 --> 02:07:22,880
to explore if via option two we also have the opportunity to look at bike lanes in there

1521
02:07:23,460 --> 02:07:28,900
if we end up and are able to get rid of that parking and reduce the green space and the staff can

1522
02:07:28,900 --> 02:07:34,900
go back and look at that to ensure that we have enough room for that and if not option two is

1523
02:07:34,900 --> 02:07:35,940
amenable to council.

1524
02:07:38,480 --> 02:07:46,020
Lane configuration, yeah. Two lanes, three lanes basically, two in and two out

1525
02:07:46,020 --> 02:07:46,760
or one out.

1526
02:07:49,550 --> 02:07:55,470
I didn't say that right but two lanes one way one way the other way okay you got it

1527
02:07:55,470 --> 02:08:03,390
just to recap okay go for it we're striving for bike lanes if bike lanes can't be fit we want to

1528
02:08:03,390 --> 02:08:12,570
default back to having one side of parking a parallel parking is that accurate okay yep yep okay thank

1529
02:08:12,570 --> 02:08:13,150
Thank you for the guidance.

1530
02:08:13,290 --> 02:08:13,730
That's accurate.

1531
02:08:14,070 --> 02:08:14,210
Okay.

1532
02:08:14,670 --> 02:08:14,910
Thank you.

1533
02:08:19,470 --> 02:08:19,870
Okay.

1534
02:08:20,190 --> 02:08:21,090
Item number seven.

1535
02:08:21,490 --> 02:08:23,090
Capital Improvement Program update.

1536
02:08:24,010 --> 02:08:25,050
Uh-huh.

1537
02:08:25,910 --> 02:08:28,070
Haley Myers and Bretton Neighbor.

1538
02:08:43,490 --> 02:08:46,130
You're the last one on the list, so don't feel any pressure.

1539
02:08:46,870 --> 02:08:47,110
Yeah.

1540
02:08:47,510 --> 02:08:47,870
Good evening.

1541
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Hello.

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Good evening, Mayor and Council.

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I'm happy to be with you tonight to present our second update as part of the quarterly

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early CIP reporting process that we introduced earlier this year in May.

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So the intent of these reports is really to give council visibility into how the capital

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program is progressing throughout the year, not just during budget adoption.

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So trying to be as transparent as possible provide a full list of projects.

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That's all available in the appendix.

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We can certainly get into project specific questions this evening.

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And if there's anything we can't answer, we can bring updates back to you.

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So the point here is really visibility.

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So tonight you'll see a snapshot of year to date spending at a high level.

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And then in the appendix is the detailed by project.

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We'll highlight some of the more meaningful project changes that have taken place

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since our last report out in the CIP and provide updates on a few projects that we've been following.

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Then I'll hand it over to deputy city manager Brett neighbor for a deeper look at the asset

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management work that's underway and how we assess and prioritize our infrastructure needs.

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There's no action requested from council tonight. It's intended to be a report out and really an

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opportunity for questions.

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But starting at the highest level, how is the capital program progressing?

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So this chart on the slide is the same framework that we introduced at our first report.

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These numbers have been updated through late August.

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So in the chart, the dark blue represents what has actually been paid through late August.

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The pattern portion of the bar is funding that's under contract.

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And then the white portion of the bar is remainder or plan work.

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So there are 345 individual projects represented here.

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So that's ranging from relatively small annual replacement programs to major infrastructure

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projects that will be delivered over multiple years.

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So it's a very large and diverse capital portfolio.

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The clearest indication of activity since our first report is the call out on the upper

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right.

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So in May, when we gave this report for the first time, we had paid about 56 million in capital

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expenditures.

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and now through late August that has grown to approximately $141 million, which is about

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$85 million in additional spending since our first report.

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There's a variety of projects underway as evidenced by that increased spend.

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And beyond what's already been paid, you can see that a significant amount of the program

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is also under contract and moving toward expense.

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So I also want to emphasize that we don't expect all of the remaining planned funding.

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So in other words, that whites are represented here to be spent by December 31st.

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Many of these are multi-year projects.

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So depending on where the project is in design or procurement construction,

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the timing of expenditures can look very different.

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Also captured in that white bar are projects that maybe are on hold or postponed for some reason.

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So a couple of good examples of that are in the water sewer and stormwater bar that includes about 24 million for the Bellevue Gold Hill pipeline.

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As a reminder, that's a project that our staff have been working very hard to get additional grant funding for and have been successful in some of that following the termination of the brick grant program.

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So that's an example where that $24 million is within that 46% planned for that category.

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So it may seem in some cases like that's not being spent, but there are some very large projects

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that just aren't proceeding for various reasons.

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So what we're hoping for right through these reports is the continued movement

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through the pipeline from planned to contract it to paid and understanding the projects

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or something has materially changed.

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And that brings me to the next slide.

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So this is meant to just highlight meaningful changes

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that have occurred since the last quarterly report.

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One reason for this, we've heard from council

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or request for more visibility just into capital transfers.

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So that's really what some of this is trying to get at.

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There's detail in the appendix

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but this slide highlights just a couple high level items.

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So one major theme since our last presentation

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is downtown infrastructure.

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So several water, sewer, storm,

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and transportation projects have had savings

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or work that shifted to future years

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to allow funding to be redirected

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for infrastructure associated with downtown construction.

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So a lot of the transfers that we've seen

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over the past several months are related to that work,

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basically consolidating funding from other sources

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in order to move forward on the downtime of the structured timeline.

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We also had some more immediate asset needs, so a couple of examples, the Coyote run and

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Feasant run playgrounds required urgent replacement.

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So funding was transferred from another place to make sure that those could happen.

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Funding was also redirected to each back needs at the UCCCC and other facilities.

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And there were also a couple notable priority changes.

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So, the customer experience CRM initiative was discontinued.

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Its remaining funding was redirected to West Greeley Planning and Project Development

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that allows us to continue some of that work without spending down the COPs further.

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And then separately following a refresher approach on the project, staff received direction that

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the 500,000 that was budgeted for Phase 3 of the Pooter River Restoration Initiative

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be restored to allow that project to move forward.

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So, there's just a couple of examples of some changes since the last report that you saw in.

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Aye, and again, there's a detailed listening index. We'd like to dig into any of those further.

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And then just quickly wanting to walk through some of the projects that we highlighted in the first quarterly report and just give a status update. So I'll start with the we sort of treatment and reclamation facility. This project continues to be one of the largest active capital projects in report folio. We spent approximately 12.5 million through late August of this year.

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That's from about half that in the first report that project is definitely moving along and there's another 27 million obligated that reflects a generational investment in our sewer enterprise.

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In that project, that's well into construction as opposed to the nearest project, which is at a very different point in its life cycle.

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So that work is currently focused on design and pre-construction or a pair to a portion of the pewter river trail.

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So that's why expenditures remain relatively low, but the significant development there is

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that Neuron House Civil has been selected as the CMGC contractor for that project and

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constructions anticipated to begin in November and continue through the spring.

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Moving from a project, preparing for construction to one that's nearing the finish line, 0 and 59th

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reached substantial completion this quarter.

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So we've now spent approximately 4 million of the 6.4 million, the work that's remaining

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is really final acceptance, close out, and seed up documentation.

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The project is anticipated to be fully complete later next month.

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And then finally at the U-Triple C we have another project that's moved into design with

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construction deliberately timed around the facility's operating schedule.

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So we've spent about 300,000 to date, or 30,000 today, excuse me, with another 30,000

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obligated for the Orcasur pit lifter placement.

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And that is planned to be installed next summer between June and August.

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So a couple of examples of those multi-year projects as well.

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So there's considerably more project level detail behind the report in the appendix.

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So happy to go into questions at the conclusion of the presentation, but before we do that,

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for each report, we're also wanting to spend a little time going deeper on an issue that

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affects how we manage capital across the board, so this sort of that's asset management.

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So we're making capital decisions across a very large and diverse portfolio of infrastructure,

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knowing what we own is one piece of that, but understanding what condition it's in, what

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what happens if it fails and how that shouldn't form where we invest is another.

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So with that, I'll turn over to Brentney, where to walk us through that work.

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Thank you.

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Good evening, Mayor and Council.

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So I'm just going to take a quick dive into asset management to, again, as Kaylin said,

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just go into some of the detail and some of the work that's going on behind the scenes.

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We're emphasizing these core competencies, particularly asset management to make better

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data to form data informed decisions. So it felt like this was a good time to highlight

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this so jump in. So asset management isn't just buying the assets or creating the assets

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but it's also maintaining them and a lot goes into that and it's complicated and it's expensive

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so it's something worth spending our time on. We have a lot of good financial information

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on our assets. As you can see here, we, but there's a lot of other factors that go into

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asset management that we need. So we need to understand how critical the asset is, and

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we also need to understand the condition of the asset. So this is an example of information

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that we have now. We take an example like the one up above from another municipality.

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They have information about asset categories, the total values, and the condition of the asset.

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this allows you to understand a little bit better what those assets look like. We have examples in water

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and sewer that might be a little bit more like the example of an example that we'll use to

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sort of highlight where we are as an example of stormwater. So as you can see here, you have the

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condition of the asset, but we still are missing two thirds of the information that we need for the asset.

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And so what this leads you to do is you just sort of fixate on the red and you say I'm going to

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Just replace or fix the asset that's critical and you lose a lot of other information you don't know a lot of other factors

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So we've been working on

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Excuse me is a risk framework so the likelihood of failure the consequence of failure some of these pieces of information

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Help us understand better what those assets look like help us make a decision so we can use a weighted average and come up with a score and

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And take a look and decide which assets we want to replace.

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So that's what's been going on behind the scenes.

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And this is one of the reasons we want to talk about this is that it's, you know,

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this is a far more robust way to track assets and to manage these things.

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But this is how we are making these decisions now.

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So about a year ago, the team got together and said we need to make a change in the way

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that we manage our assets and we need more visibility and we need to use data

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to help us make decisions.

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So this is something that we've been devoting a lot of time and energy into and have a lot of

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smart people behind the scenes pulling this together. And again, the likelihood of failure,

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how critical the asset is, how close it is to important things like a hospital or some other

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piece of infrastructure. All that is taken into account to help us come up with the score. So I think

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you'll see more of this information as time goes on. Like I said before, this is not a small task.

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this is a huge task. Getting all that asset information, being able to track it, being able to know what condition it is in is a huge effort and something that we want to make sure it's happening across the organization.

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So this isn't just happening in water and sewer. It's not just happening in storm water. This is happening in vertical and horizontal assets.

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So this is, again, a big initiative and I thought it was important to talk about it tonight.

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I think that's about it.

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Like I said, it'll be pretty quick.

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And in the appendix, there's some more information about some of the scoring and the weighted averages.

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And again, making this priority.

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This is, you know, a better way to look at our deferred maintenance and our capital improvement program.

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So I'm sure we'll be back with more information as time goes on.

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And just to link it into the budgeting piece, so a lot of the work that staff have been

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doing around the asset management and the scoring and using this more robust risk framework

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is to integrate that into the budgeting process.

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I've presented to you all on some of the scoring that we do as part of the CIP process every

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year.

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This will just allow us to make that more robust when it comes to criticality of failure

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and having a better view into our assets.

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So part of what we're hoping to do is ask projects

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are coming through the budget process.

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It's able to run through this risk framework

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and really give us more insight into

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when is the right time to invest those dollars.

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So it'll take some time, but we're maturing in that area.

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And this information, you know, sees gathered

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from best practices and other municipalities

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and government agencies and is really following more

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or like an ISO 55,000 framework, which is something industry standard.

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So we didn't make this up on our own.

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This is where we're adopting some of those principles.

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That concludes our presentation.

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Happy to answer questions.

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Okay. Anybody have a question?

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02:23:12,110 --> 02:23:14,130
Greg, based on that last slide,

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it looked like some of the grading was a little bit subjective.

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And so, you just passed it, sorry, the scoring matrix.

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02:23:27,230 --> 02:23:28,970
So it kind of looks a little bit subjective.

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Not to say that there's not actual data behind those numbers selected.

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02:23:34,570 --> 02:23:39,690
But how are those numbers, like, how do you guys figure in those numbers?

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02:23:40,610 --> 02:23:45,270
Yeah, I may ask if any path key to come up in and talk about that a little bit as well.

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02:23:46,130 --> 02:23:53,230
Obviously, this is still a work in progress, but these are items that we're trying to

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gather that information.

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So if it's not there, we try to stay away from the subjective pieces of information.

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I don't know if Ben, if you have anything to add, so Ben Radke is our interim data manager

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and he's been working on this program.

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02:24:12,720 --> 02:24:29,620
Well, Mayor Counsel, we have numbers that are associated with the score.

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Are you going past into the disarranger?

1732
02:24:33,200 --> 02:24:42,160
Yeah. And so those numbers don't, I don't know what those numbers mean. They seem pretty subjective.

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02:24:42,380 --> 02:24:46,360
And I'm in the front of it. There's true data aligning with those numbers.

1734
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In the blue column? Yeah. So those are all scored based off of definitions.

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Okay. And those will be on the next couple of slides. This is just an example.

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So, we have definitions for all of our factors to keep it as objective as possible.

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02:25:07,640 --> 02:25:12,640
Okay, so when you're talking about remaining life, that's based on manufacturer recommended

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replacement.

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So wait that.

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Okay.

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Okay.

1742
02:25:15,580 --> 02:25:15,640
No.

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I'm good now.

1744
02:25:17,960 --> 02:25:24,100
The only other question I had is this is kind of like we ran into the ice house where you

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can't get replacement parts for it.

1746
02:25:25,840 --> 02:25:34,520
Is there, is there somewhere where we're looking at finding out if we can replace the, yeah, in the consequences failure?

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Okay.

1748
02:25:36,740 --> 02:25:43,980
It's like essentially one of the things we like to use is like if you have to fly someone in from the North Pole to fix something, then it's a pretty high consequence of failure.

1749
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Okay.

1750
02:25:44,660 --> 02:25:47,560
So yeah, it's being tracked and we can look at all these factors individually.

1751
02:25:47,980 --> 02:25:48,180
Okay.

1752
02:25:48,380 --> 02:25:49,080
Sounds good. Thanks.

1753
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Okay.

1754
02:25:52,660 --> 02:26:01,000
So whether you believe it or not, I'm an asset management junkie started in 2009 on asset management.

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02:26:02,080 --> 02:26:18,700
Caitlin, one of the things that I wanted to mention before I get an asset management was one of the things that this council really struggled with over the last four years is projects that are delayed or there's something going on and we don't track scope schedule and budget very well.

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like put some criteria in or KPIs, like did it meet at schedule, right?

1757
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Why did it miss at schedule?

1758
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And I think that's one of the things we struggle with because projects that were funded four years ago,

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still haven't, I'm going to talk about your pedestrian cross 134.

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We were told about that four years ago.

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And I, that is, I understand projects take time, design right away, utilities,

1762
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all the things that go into a design project.

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But at the end of the day, are we not scoping these correctly?

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Are we not driving these critical issues into our schedule to make sure that we're meeting

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the schedule?

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Because four or five years, I think it was seven years on 59th and O street, right?

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And it had a railroad.

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I get it.

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It had an augmentation plan.

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02:27:07,940 --> 02:27:08,280
I get it.

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It had irrigation.

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I get it.

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But at the end of the day, that should have been scoped into that project so you can deliver

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reliable and realistic schedule. That's what we're struggling with. I mean, you did give us some

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projects in the delays, but when we start putting money in the bank and we budget money in the bank

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and that money sits in the bank, it's not doing what it needs to be doing and it's just sitting there.

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So I think that's where this council struggled on CIP in the past.

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Absolutely. So what I would say to that is this financial report is a really big step

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and it's allowed us to organize the data in a new way.

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So I would say the next step obviously to having data is evaluating the data and really

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starting to press in on our colleagues and our staff and just start to come together as

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a team to make the IP execution, something that's more robust and mature and I think that

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we're coming a long way and this report is just one piece of that.

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that is the transparent financial reporting, but everything you've just discussed is absolutely

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are things that staff are working on and having conversations on every day between, you

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know, Seth Sorenson and Sean Chambers stay in Africa, all of our leaders in capital and

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Brett and some of the work that he's trying to do around CAP execution and management.

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Thank you.

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When it comes to asset management, one of the worst things to do is look at worse first.

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It's maintaining what you have so you don't have those first.

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Like I was mentioning, facilities that have a boiler that's no longer made, I mean that

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should be not worse first, we should have been looking at that five years ago of replacement

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and not looking at it because we just can't fix it anymore.

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So I hopefully when you guys start looking at asset management, like pavement management,

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There's a 40% cost if you do worse first unless you just went out and chipped sealed or put a two inch overlay on something you can extend the life of that service, that service life of that road a lot longer if you got to a sooner.

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Same with other things you know and vertical and vehicles and some of the other assets are harder to do that with because you run the useful life of it but knowing your useful life because some vehicles they break down sooner than others and they have to be replaced.

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So, I mean, worst first is not, hopefully that's not where we're headed.

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No, not at all.

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In fact, this is quite the opposite.

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It's really taking a look at all those factors first.

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And we just had a discussion about this with KGM, for instance.

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And I think it'll be a good presentation to come back and talk about

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with the keep really moving.

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02:29:49,980 --> 02:29:53,760
And when we decide to do the roads and we don't wait until they completely fail,

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02:29:53,760 --> 02:29:55,500
we try to catch them about halfway,

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try to bring them up as much as we can, make them last another 10 years.

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and so...

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I think that's exactly the strategy that we're trying to apply to the other assets. You know, the vertical and horizontal assets to go, you know, of course we should be doing the preventative maintenance, make sure that the assets last as long as they possibly can, but what other things can we do to sort of make them last a little bit longer, and it's not waiting until they fail and then fix them. And we have ketchup to do. I mean, that's $1 million. Yeah, it's more than 20 million. I mean, as far as deferred maintenance goes, it's a huge number, right?

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I mean, in order to fix all the assets that need to be replaced, you know, it's a large

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number. I'll just say that.

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So, and we're playing catch up.

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So some of those things have gotten past that curve, and are on the tail end, and are

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going to have to be replaced.

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Recognize that, too.

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Any other questions?

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Okay.

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I see none.

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Thank you all for coming.

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Item number eight is scheduling of meetings and other events.

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Ms. Johnson, is there any other additional meetings we need to work out?

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No additional meetings, Mayor.

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I would just ask Council to direct your attention to some email communication that

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you received this evening while you were in your meeting.

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Okay.

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Item 9.

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There's a adjournment there being, no further business, the Council will now adjourn the meeting

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at 848.