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Okay, we'll call this city council

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meeting to order at 7:03 p.m. and we'll

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rise for pledge of allegiance.

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» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» [clears throat]

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» Move on to public comment period. Is

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anybody here for public comment?

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Okay. Move on to approval of the agenda.

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We do have two additions. Uh under other

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we'll add resolution 2026-35

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preliminary love levy and then 2026-36

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the fund transfer.

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I think council member Linquist and

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Wloff will not be in attendance today.

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» I make a motion to approve the agenda.

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» All right.

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» Second.

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» We have a motion and a second. Any

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further discussion? Hearing none. All

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those in favor say I.

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» I.

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» Oppos? Same sign. That carries. Still

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move forward with approval of the

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consent agenda items A and B with claims

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totaling $8,856.15.

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I make a motion to approve the consent

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agenda items A and B with claims to from

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September 8th totaling 80,856.15.

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I'll second that. Motion second. Any

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further discussion? Hearing none. All

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those in favor say I.

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» I. Same sign. That carries. And we have

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Attorney Jansen with us today with some

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updates, etc. Maybe.

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» Yep. So, I have a just a couple things

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after the last city council meeting.

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Guess we'll start off with the issue of

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those curb projects and looking at that.

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Seems so the city did get in contact

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with the sheriff's office

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[clears throat] and at this point the

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sheriff's office was in contact with Mr.

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Worm on the subject and he has agreed

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that he would pay the city back by

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January 1st of 2027.

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So, at this point, I guess we'll be

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looking for that date and then seeing

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what happens by then.

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And then moving on to the property over

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at 5:30 Third Street. So, we have

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drafted the notice for that. And at this

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point, the notice just needs to be

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signed and then it can be sent out and

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then the city can start proceeding with

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that process with allowing this other

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party to come here and try to say what

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they have to say about their property.

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And then looking at that 296 m, we're

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still just waiting on getting an update

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from the building inspector. Our office

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has been in contact with the building

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inspector and he did discuss that he is

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on that. So at this point we are just

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waiting to hear back from when the

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inspection gets kind of updated.

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» Perfect.

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Thank you sir. Any questions for city

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attorney Jansen?

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» Perfect. We'll move on with Abdo.

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» All right. Good evening Mayor, members

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of the council. Um, I'll start with the

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preliminary levy and budget approval or

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preliminary budget approval.

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Um, the proposed 2027 budget is designed

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to maintain. Actually, let me share my

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screen here first. So, don't just have

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to look at the paper. If you could

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accept my request, mayor sheets.

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» I sure will. We'll get you rolling here.

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» I was just too excited to get started.

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» No, I get it. Yeah, you work your magic.

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I'll I'll throw you on the screen. I'll

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get the TVs rolling. Sounds good.

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I can turn it on by hand here. We'll get

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All right.

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» Hit a button on here.

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» Yeah, if you find that power button,

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that would be wonderful.

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» On the left or right side?

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» It's somewhere on there. It's uh kind of

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a hidden button. I think it's right in

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the front.

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» Right where the red light is. Is that

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what it is?

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» There we go.

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» Thank you so much.

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up here.

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Oh, you're you're good to go, good sir.

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All right, that's much better now. So,

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we'll start with the 2027 budget and

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preliminary levy.

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The proposed 2027 budget is designed to

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maintain current service levels, address

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inflationary cost increases, and

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continue funding future capital needs.

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The preliminary levy is proposed at

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$825,341,

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which is an increase of approximately

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10% over 2026. This is this increase is

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driven primarily by the 3% cost of

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living adjustment, inflationary

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costs, and ongoing capital planning. The

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city capital levy increases to support

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future facility and infrastructure

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needs, while the fire capital levy has

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been reduced based on the capital

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funding projections. Overall, the

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proposed levy balances current

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operational needs with long-term

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financial planning.

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Moving on to page two.

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Um before discussing operations, it's

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important to understand changes

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occurring within the city's tax base.

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capacity is projected to decrease

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approximately 5% for taxes payable in

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of the decline, while agricultural,

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apartment, commercial, and personal

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property classes are expected to see

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growth.

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spread across a smaller tax base,

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creating additional pressure on the tax

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rate.

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we'll look at kind of tax rate

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comparisons over the last 15 16 years or

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so. Uh the combination of a higher levy

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and lower tax capacity results in an

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increase in the estimated tax rate for

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service district tax rate increasing

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approximately 84 from approximately

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84.8% to approximately

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um 98.2% in 2027 while final rates

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depend on the county certified values.

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see a higher tax rate next year. Um,

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this page also indicates how Minnesota

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property tax system applies different

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tax rates over different types of

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general fund budget summary.

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The proposed general fund budget is a

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balanced budget including $884,000 of

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revenues, $884,000

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of expenditures. The 884,000 of

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expenditures does include the $61,000

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transfer to the fire fund for the city's

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portion to cover those costs.

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source of revenue. Building permit is

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budgeted higher to reflect anticipated

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development activity. On the expenditure

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side, notable increases occur in general

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government, financial administration,

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public safety, and building inspections.

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service needs, contractual cost

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increases, and anticipated workload

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demands while maintaining the current

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fund budget summary.

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remain financially stable under the

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proposed budget. The water fund includes

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funding for system maintenance and

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infrastructure improvements while

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maintaining a positive operating

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position.

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and continues to generate an operating

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surplus.

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covering service costs while maintaining

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positive operating results.

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operations without reliance on general

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fund resources.

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broken down revenues and expenditures by

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funds, different departments, and

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balances rising costs with responsible

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financial management, maintains

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essential services, and continues

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investing in the city's long-term

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capital needs. While tax capacity is

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projected to decline, the budget

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positions the city to address current

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operational needs while preparing for

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future infrastructure and facility

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improvements. And with that, I will

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stand for any questions.

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» Thank you very much.

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I don't hear any. David,

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» With no questions, I will leave it to

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council for approval of the preliminary

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» Which we can move that up from other if

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you wish. We'll get that rolling for us

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so that we can get that done in unison

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so you can sign out. That would bring us

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to resolution 2026-35.

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resolution adopting the 2026 preliminary

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tax levy for city green out for

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collection in 2027.

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And I'll bring that up for a vote.

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» Yep. I'll make a motion on it.

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» I'll second.

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» We have a motion. Second. Any further

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discussion? Then hearing none. Roll call

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vote. We'll go with council member

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» Yes.

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» I am a yes. And then two absent. That

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Thank you, Abdo. Anything else you need

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from us or should we do the fund

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transfer as well? We can get that done

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as well. Um, look at that. Roll in.

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2026-36,

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a resolution to approve fund transfer.

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It's the water and sewer fund

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enterprise funds for the purpose of

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accounting for the revenues and expenses

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of the city's utility operations.

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Pretty standard. We do this every year.

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Transfer of 150,000 from fund 602 sewer

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to fund 601, water. So I'll make a

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motion to approve that resolution.

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» Second.

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» Motion second. Any further hearing?

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None. Roll call vote. We'll start with

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you again, Harrison.

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» And I'm a yes. And two absent and that

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» Mayor.

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» Yes.

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» I um can go through the long-term plan

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and the utility rate study.

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» That would be wonderful. We're ready for

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» All right. I will share my screen.

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All right. Are you able to see that?

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There it goes. It looks like it just

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popped up for you.

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Um, so the city has engaged with us to

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prepare a utility rate study and a

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long-term financial plan to look at um

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some forecasts related to utility

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revenue and utility rates and then just

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the stability of all of the funds that

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the city has. I'll start with the

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utility rate study.

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Um we'll go through some assumptions um

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some rate current rates and forecasted

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rates and then look at financial results

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and recommendations based on those rate

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increases.

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Um I'm going to focus on just a few

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pages within this document. Um but after

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tonight's meeting, you will get this

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document to review and we can take any

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additional questions that the council

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may have. Um, but wanted to walk through

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this report with you before you get it

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and um, see all of the data that's

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there.

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Um, so currently um, we analyze the

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water accounts and the sewer accounts

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with the city. So there's about 403

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water accounts and about 406 sewer

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accounts within the city. Um the average

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bill for

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just water for a residential property is

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um about $2569

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and commercial is about $595

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and then on the sewer side residential

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is um $64.79

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and commercial is $60.37.

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So this is using some average data that

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we um reviewed over the last three

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years.

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Um looking at rates here, this is maybe

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a little bit small on the screen. Um

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try to zoom in a little bit here.

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Um,

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looking at water, you've got separate

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rates for residential and commercial. In

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2026,

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the base fee for residential and the

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base fee for commercial are different.

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Residential is $11.85

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and commercial is $10.30.

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We're recommending right sizing those

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and making them the same amount, but

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doing a one-time increase of 15 to $15

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for that base fee. That base fee helps

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to cover just normal operations within

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um that water fund. Um so, you know,

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increasing that and making them the same

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since residential and commercial are all

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connected to the same system.

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um just we feel that that is better to

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have them the same there.

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And then you get into the consumption or

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usage fees.

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Um there is a tiered structure for

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residential and commercial and they are

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different. So residential tiers are um 1

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gallon to 10,000 gallons, 10,0001 to

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25,000 gallons and then over 25,000

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gallons.

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Commercials um tiers start at 1 gallon

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to 80,000 gall and then 80,0001 to

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120,000 and then over 120,000.

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um

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we feel that that's

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consistent and fair based on water usage

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within

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those different um property types within

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the city. Um but the rates are also

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different for those different tiers. So

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residential um in 2026

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is build $6.14

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per 1,000 gallons or 6614

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per gallon um and increased based on the

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tiers. Commercial starts at um $468

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per 1,000 gallons.

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Um, and we're leaving that structure the

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same. Um, however, I think the council

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should consider um,

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adjusting those tiers for commercial in

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the future. Um, I know you've got a few

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properties that use more water than some

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others. Um, so just something to think

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about in the future.

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But with that, we're recommending then a

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5% increase year-over-year for um the

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water rates and a standard 5% across um

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both residential and commercial going

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forward.

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Looking at the sewer fund, um the sewer

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fund also has a base fee um as well as

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tiered consumption or usage fees. We are

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not recommending a change to that

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structure.

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Um but we are recommending a 4% increase

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year-over-year in those rates.

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Um we include some graph information

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here. Um this page looks at the

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water fund specifically and looking at

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projected rates.

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um

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rate. So those rate increases factored

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into revenues and expenses within the

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fund. So uh the water fund has debt

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service expenses which are in this

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orange,

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operating expenses in the gray. We're

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not projecting any capital outlay

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expenses within the water fund over the

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next five years.

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Um and then this green line is cash

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receipts. So

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um [clears throat] in our projections

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we're projecting that total expenses so

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those debt service and operating

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expenses

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are very close in line with those cash

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receipts year-over-year.

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And then we look at the uh projected

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cash balances

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compared to target cash balances.

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Um, we target cash balances at 100% of

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debt service payments plus 100% of

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future capital payments or capital

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» [clears throat]

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» Um, needs in the next year and then 50%

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of operating expenses.

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So, what this shows is that um this

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yellow or orange line is your target

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cash balance, which is

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um around that 80 or 90,000

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um each year. And after the one-time

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transfer um of the $150,000

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that was approved,

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um cash will stay above that target

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reserve year-over-year.

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And that will just ensure that there's

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cash available for um any unexpected

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capital needs um you know a water mane

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break um or other items that may come

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up.

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We look at that same information here

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for the sewer fund. Um the sewer fund

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has historically had more cash available

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than the water fund.

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Um, so again, we're looking at debt

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service. In the orange, operating

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expenses in gray.

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We're not showing any projected capital

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outlay in the next 5 years within this

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fund. And then cash receipts. So here,

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cash receipts are slightly over um the

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debt service and operating expenses.

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Again, our orange bar here is that

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target cash reserves. and we um

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calculate that tax

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cash reserve at the same uh rates that

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we do for the water fund.

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Um so we have sufficient cash reserves

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here within the sewer fund.

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The last few pages of this report um

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show you u the cash flow analysis for

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the water fund.

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Um so starting out with those operating

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activities. This is um payments coming

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in from customers as well as payments

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going out to your vendors.

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Um, here we are showing that one-time

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transfer in from the sewer fund as well

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as the regular transfers in from the

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sewer fund year-over-year for debt.

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And then our debt service payments.

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We did have a capital asset a purchase

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in 2025 and that was a generator. Um, so

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any future capital would show up in that

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area as well.

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Um so this is more of just the numbers

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of the graphs that we saw earlier but

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again showing that we've got excess cash

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reserves here um as we start planning

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for future needs of the city and future

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capital.

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Um looking at what these rate increases

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would do for um that average monthly

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bill for a residential customer. We

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really focus on residential since that's

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the majority of the tax base within the

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city. Um

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we're seeing monthly dollar increase in

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just the water portion of their utility

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bill of being about $3.84

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for 2027

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and then um under $2 per month

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in 2028 and beyond. with that 5%

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increase year-over-year.

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Um, looking at that same information

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here for the sewer fund.

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There we go. Um, again, payments coming

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in from customers, payments to suppliers

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and vendors.

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um those transfers then out of the sewer

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fund into the water fund.

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Um and debt, principal, and interest

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payments here.

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Again, we see then the cash reserves

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growing year-over-year to ensure that

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we've got cash available for any needs

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um within the sewer fund.

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And with a 4% increase in the utility

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rates, um we're anticipating um about

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$259

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up to about $3.3

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year over year for um the next 5 years

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with that 4% rate increase.

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Uh we also completed a comparison to

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some surrounding cities. Uh looking at

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water, um

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this bottom bar is the current rate

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structure and this top is the proposed

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rate structure. So you can see you're

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very much in the middle of um

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your neighboring communities with the

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monthly billing for water.

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And same for sewer. Um you're kind of

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right in that average

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um monthly billing for sewer compared to

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your neighboring cities.

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And with that, I'll take any questions

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00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:55,520
on the utility rate study

515
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» To get the items change from residential

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to commercial so that it's all equal and

517
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uniform between business and home use,

518
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,520
right? So that's just a resolution, I

519
00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:07,919
assume. Correct.

520
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» Um that would be something that when you

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approve your utility rates later in the

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year, um that change could be made at

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that point.

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» Excellent.

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It's nice to see we're average when it

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comes to the water rates and sewer rates

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because I know that's been a concern

528
00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:30,360
brought forth. So,

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um, when it came to the

530
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water rates, you mentioned that the

531
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billing structures were a little bit

532
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different from residential to

533
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commercial. You mentioned trying to

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make them more similar or something. You

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mentioned changing them in the future.

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» Yes.

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» How would you change them in the future?

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» Um changing the tiers for commercial.

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00:25:57,120 --> 00:26:00,640
Um

540
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as the rate structure stands at this

541
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point um

542
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the

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00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:11,840
the amount of gallons per tier for

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00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:13,520
commercial are promoting con water

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conservation.

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Um so

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00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:22,080
you know we see a lot of irrigation

548
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:24,080
within um commercial and industrial you

549
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,919
know there's large generally larger

550
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,919
properties and have more green space. So

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00:26:25,919 --> 00:26:32,000
there's often a lot of watering that

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00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:34,880
happens. So um

553
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:37,600
you know that that outside use water is

554
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:40,240
being charged at actually a lower rate

555
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than residential.

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Um,

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so that's where I would I would change

558
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:51,279
um likely just

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00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:54,880
changing the tier structure to be more

560
00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:57,200
similar to residential

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» Makes billing easier. And if I remember

562
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,960
right, Julie, I kind of looked at that.

563
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:03,039
That's that's pretty uncommon is to have

564
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:05,039
two different structured

565
00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:07,440
rates like that. It's it's not something

566
00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:09,279
that's common in Minnesota at all.

567
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,720
» Right. So, not sure where that came

568
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:12,880
from, but it's not a significant

569
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:15,600
difference, but it would streamline our

570
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:18,840
billing, [clears throat]

571
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,840
» Big time,

572
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,840
» Right?

573
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:27,200
» So, we got our utility rates coming up.

574
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:30,960
I think that's in a few months, but any

575
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,840
other questions for Julie?

576
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,520
» Not at this time.

577
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,840
» I think we're all set. We'll wait for

578
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,840
that copy and we'll be golden.

579
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:41,600
» Great. I'll run through the long-term

580
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:46,480
financial plan here as well. Um, I'll

581
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:50,080
focus more on the tax levy um supported

582
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:53,679
funds in this, but this document will

583
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:57,039
also cover those water and sewer funds.

584
00:27:53,679 --> 00:28:00,240
Um, so similar to the utility rate

585
00:27:57,039 --> 00:28:02,880
study, we've made some assumptions

586
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,039
um in our calculations here. Um, we're

587
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,360
anticipating normal operating expenses

588
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:10,000
increasing 3%.

589
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:13,200
Um, governmental operating revenues

590
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:15,039
increasing 2%.

591
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,760
Um, we talked about those water and

592
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:21,360
sewer rates.

593
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:24,640
Um, we are not anticip or not factoring

594
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:26,480
in any growth in these assumptions. So,

595
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,159
we're assuming, you know, the number of

596
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,760
households that you have, the tax base

597
00:28:28,159 --> 00:28:32,799
that you have within the city is staying

598
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:35,279
the same. Um we know that there are some

599
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:38,320
housing developments happening and new

600
00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:41,760
homes being built within the city. So um

601
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:45,760
that will impact or will change some of

602
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:48,080
these assumptions but um for

603
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,360
ease of

604
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,360
uh projections [clears throat]

605
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:54,360
we have eliminated that information

606
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,360
here.

607
00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:00,799
Um, [clears throat] looking at cash

608
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,039
balances,

609
00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:06,320
um, we use kind of that stoplight

610
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:09,520
approach when we look at cash balances.

611
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:12,640
Um, cash balances throughout all of the

612
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:17,039
funds within the city are sitting really

613
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:22,440
well over the next five five years. Um,

614
00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:22,440
no concerns that we see there.

615
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:34,480
Um, looking at

616
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:38,159
the tax levy, we don't anticipate

617
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:40,880
needing any significant changes in um,

618
00:29:38,159 --> 00:29:44,559
the tax levy structure that the city

619
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:49,120
currently has and is operating under.

620
00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:51,120
Um, we would factor in um, about a 4%

621
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,279
increase to the general fund levy

622
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:57,039
year-over-year.

623
00:29:53,279 --> 00:30:00,240
And um I believe we've got a 4% in here

624
00:29:57,039 --> 00:30:03,679
for the capital project fund as well. So

625
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:07,440
for 2027 um that capital project levy is

626
00:30:03,679 --> 00:30:10,480
at 144,000. So we'll um factor in a

627
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:14,240
small increase to that year-over-year to

628
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:19,799
continue saving for capital um including

629
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:19,799
any of those fire fund capital items.

630
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:27,360
We also look at any debt and any

631
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,520
projected debt that the city may have.

632
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:32,880
Um, currently we're not projecting any

633
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:35,279
new debt coming in. Um, the two bonds

634
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:38,640
that the city is currently holding are

635
00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:42,240
the RS fiber tax abatement bonds. Um,

636
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:44,720
those bonds mature in 2037

637
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:49,440
and then we have the water and sewer

638
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:52,000
revenue bonds and those mature in 2041.

639
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,760
So, um,

640
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,760
we still have bond payments going out

641
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:59,799
quite a ways and have factored those

642
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,799
into this as well.

643
00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:04,840
» Thank you very much.

644
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,440
Does that cover it, Julie?

645
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,200
» Yep.

646
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:12,799
» We're golden. All right.

647
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:16,080
» Thank you so much. We appreciate it.

648
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:17,760
And then moving on here, Brian, I don't

649
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,600
know what you want to do, but today's a

650
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,679
special day. It's Amy's birthday and I

651
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,440
assumed her being here on her birthday,

652
00:31:21,679 --> 00:31:24,399
she might want to sneak out. You Golden.

653
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,919
» That's fine to me.

654
00:31:24,399 --> 00:31:31,039
» All right, we'll uh we'll move Brian to

655
00:31:27,919 --> 00:31:32,240
the end. We'll have a school update.

656
00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:33,840
» You're up.

657
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,159
» I will share a little bit of information

658
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:38,799
from behind the scenes. City clerk Diane

659
00:31:36,159 --> 00:31:42,559
and I have been emailing. We did reach

660
00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:44,720
out to attorney Ken Jansen. Uh the chair

661
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:46,960
from the school needs to sign the lease

662
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:49,120
termination agreement yet. So everybody

663
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,399
knows um she would like to go through

664
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,960
the school's attorney.

665
00:31:50,399 --> 00:31:52,720
» Yep.

666
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,240
» Which makes total sense to me. She

667
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,240
doesn't want to sign it without working

668
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,320
with the attorney. So we did reach out

669
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:01,279
to attorney Jansen. Attorney Jansen let

670
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:04,720
Diane and I know that the bank's

671
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:08,159
attorney would be working with the

672
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:10,960
school to sign that lease agreement.

673
00:32:08,159 --> 00:32:12,799
So that is all we know.

674
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,880
It's sitting there. Diane and I did not

675
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:16,559
feel it was our

676
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,000
We're not the attorney, so it was not

677
00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:20,080
our part to

678
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,279
» No. And I I had a call from the chair at

679
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,799
the school, too, and it's just not in

680
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:24,799
our purview to try to convince him to

681
00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:27,360
sign it. Let the let the legal speak

682
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:30,240
happen. I guess that's the best way to

683
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:32,080
take it.

684
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,159
» So, that is all I have in the school.

685
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,880
I'm still waiting to get those documents

686
00:32:34,159 --> 00:32:39,120
signed.

687
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,960
» Yeah. Yeah. And I in the lease

688
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,880
agreement, I think it does indicate that

689
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:45,120
it would it would lapse and I think it's

690
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,960
more of a formality, I would assume, but

691
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,039
it's Yeah. I don't know if the attorney

692
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,120
is going to be willing to move that

693
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:54,600
along. I suppose K will know more as we

694
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,600
progress, but

695
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:59,279
perfect. Hey, we have an update on the

696
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,440
school. That's a good school update.

697
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:03,919
» Nothing on EDA. We are meeting next

698
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:06,480
Monday because it was Labor Day

699
00:33:03,919 --> 00:33:08,720
yesterday. Next Monday, 700 p.m. for

700
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,840
that one.

701
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,480
» Perfect.

702
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:18,279
» Planning and zoning. We went through the

703
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:18,279
Minnesota code, Minnesota basic code.

704
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:23,600
Is there anything? Uh, we kind of got

705
00:33:21,919 --> 00:33:26,559
stuck on our public institutional

706
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:28,080
district and some of the language on

707
00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:30,399
there. We got pretty stuck. So, that's

708
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:33,279
where we ended our planning and zoning

709
00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:35,679
meeting and we will pick that back up at

710
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:37,039
the October meeting.

711
00:33:35,679 --> 00:33:40,760
» Did either of you have anything we

712
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:40,760
wanted to add on that?

713
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,640
» Okay.

714
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,679
Um,

715
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:50,159
tree committee.

716
00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:51,919
Tree committee

717
00:33:50,159 --> 00:33:53,919
» Also discussed the basic code.

718
00:33:51,919 --> 00:33:56,640
» Also discussed the basic code. The big

719
00:33:53,919 --> 00:33:59,919
thing planting those [clears throat]

720
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:03,039
trees, either the Brandon Cedar or the

721
00:33:59,919 --> 00:34:06,559
Emerald Arbor Videy. Um, the committee

722
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:09,200
would like to ask for $1,500.

723
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:14,720
» Yes. To

724
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:17,919
buy trees and we were going to see about

725
00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:20,560
what it would cost to have them planted

726
00:34:17,919 --> 00:34:24,079
by not volunteers. Mhm.

727
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:26,639
» Um if the cost is reasonable, then

728
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:28,560
possibly have been planted

729
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:30,480
professionally. If it would be

730
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,919
unreasonable, then we'd be seeking out

731
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,520
volunteers again.

732
00:34:31,919 --> 00:34:34,879
» And that was only if we had it planted

733
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:40,399
this fall.

734
00:34:34,879 --> 00:34:43,040
» Yes. Because um our um mowers, our lawn

735
00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:44,079
grounds people have time to do it this

736
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,200
fall.

737
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:48,720
» Okay. So, we're not sure how much it

738
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,480
would cost if we could get someone to

739
00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:53,520
plant those for us. They're looking at

740
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:56,079
about 20 20 plants. I believe

741
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:59,200
» We did have one quote. They were $50

742
00:34:56,079 --> 00:35:01,359
each for five gallon

743
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:04,240
five gallon buckets, four to six foot

744
00:35:01,359 --> 00:35:06,079
tall arbores.

745
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:08,469
» And they grow very fast. So, if they're

746
00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:09,280
already that tall,

747
00:35:08,469 --> 00:35:11,200
[clears throat]

748
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,119
» I know we had part of the tree city. We

749
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,240
do have to reserve some budget for the

750
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:14,800
trees. So that wouldn't

751
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:17,520
» Yep.

752
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:19,760
» Be a bad idea to your mark for that for

753
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,960
this year. 2026 is what you're using it

754
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,160
for, I assume.

755
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,680
» Yes.

756
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,680
» Yes. If we plant it this year, it would

757
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,839
go towards this year's The application

758
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,400
period just opened. I got the email.

759
00:35:27,839 --> 00:35:32,320
» Yeah.

760
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,800
So, we need to submit that again.

761
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,880
» Okay. And I think that's reasonable. It

762
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,640
would be helpful for the council and

763
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,760
city itself to get that looked at. Not

764
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,800
necessarily that we're spending. It's

765
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,079
just giving me the ability to move

766
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,280
forward with it as a committee instead

767
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:46,240
of waiting months.

768
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:48,000
» Right. And I did see it was on the the

769
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:50,160
survey results we just received from the

770
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,160
park board, the archery barrier.

771
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:55,040
» Yep. That's been a big one.

772
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:58,040
» So it's Yeah. Multiple it hits multiple

773
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,040
target.

774
00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:03,680
» I move to approve up to $1,500

775
00:36:01,359 --> 00:36:05,280
um for tree planting for the tree

776
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,839
committee.

777
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,720
» Second.

778
00:36:05,839 --> 00:36:10,640
» Motion second. Any further discussion?

779
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:11,119
Hearing none. All those in favor say I.

780
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:15,960
» I.

781
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:15,960
» Post. Same sign. And that carries.

782
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,400
So up next, park board. Are we still on

783
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,200
trees?

784
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:21,920
» Actually,

785
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,280
» Still trees.

786
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,400
» No, not trees, but can I go back to PNC?

787
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,280
» Yep.

788
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:32,960
» I did speak or had some communication

789
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:36,160
with um the developers for Lake Estates,

790
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:39,200
and that project is on hold right now. I

791
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:42,400
did send Mayor Sheets some feedback that

792
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:45,359
that uh the group received on the

793
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,880
community and why they would not be um

794
00:36:45,359 --> 00:36:49,760
investing in our community. And one

795
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:53,440
thing that they noted was 21 houses were

796
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:55,839
sold in the last 24 months. And for us,

797
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,520
that's awesome. That is almost a house a

798
00:36:55,839 --> 00:36:59,680
month. That that's a lot of growth in

799
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:02,880
our community. But that is a relative

800
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:06,480
number. uh for Chask or Shakipi it was

801
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:08,320
really low for the developers and the

802
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:11,200
realtors that they are working with if

803
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,720
they're from the you know the I94 494

804
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,880
694 loop

805
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:16,880
» They're looking at you know that many

806
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,480
houses in one month so

807
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,560
» Yeah they're doing a comparable with the

808
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:23,119
metro versus rural Minnesota

809
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,720
» Gorgeous they're not I mean for almost

810
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:26,320
one house a month I think that is pretty

811
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:28,400
good for a community the size three

812
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,280
right now and those houses would sell

813
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,119
but they're not

814
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,680
» In a heartbeat Yeah, that they're

815
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:35,440
looking to. So that's why that project

816
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,880
is on hold for right now. I just wanted

817
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,680
to share that with the council

818
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,400
» And he remains a taxpayer until then. So

819
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,200
» Correct.

820
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,720
» Yeah,

821
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,240
» They can hold it and see what he wants

822
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:46,160
to do with it. But I think we as a city

823
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:47,520
have done plenty and and Amy has worked

824
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,480
endlessly to try to make something

825
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:53,599
happen there. So whatever metrics

826
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:55,520
they're looking at, I I would stand that

827
00:37:53,599 --> 00:38:00,081
they seem a bit flawed for rural

828
00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:02,101
Minnesota. So, it's my opinion.

829
00:38:00,081 --> 00:38:02,101
[laughter]

830
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:08,400
All right. And then, uh, park board.

831
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,599
I don't really have an update on the

832
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,440
park board at this moment in time

833
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:13,359
outside of our survey. Um, we're just

834
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,880
waiting on preliminary survey results to

835
00:38:13,359 --> 00:38:16,320
share with the council. I think you'll

836
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,720
be pleasantly surprised with a lot of

837
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,160
that. Um, we don't have a summary quite

838
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:21,680
yet. I'm going to ask where we're

839
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,800
sitting with that so we can get that to

840
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,440
the council. I haven't seen

841
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,200
» I think it's in

842
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,680
» Is it Do we have it in our packet? Yeah,

843
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,359
it was

844
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,359
» I may have missed that one. You have

845
00:38:27,359 --> 00:38:30,480
that one,

846
00:38:29,359 --> 00:38:32,079
» I think.

847
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,359
» So, yeah, if the council wants to review

848
00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:35,599
that so you have some time, just make

849
00:38:33,359 --> 00:38:37,839
sure to look at that the survey summary

850
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:39,359
and what we'll do is we'll be discussing

851
00:38:37,839 --> 00:38:40,640
that. We'll discuss that more at our

852
00:38:39,359 --> 00:38:42,240
following meeting because I think that's

853
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,680
important to take more time to go

854
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:44,800
through.

855
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,480
» I'll put it on the agenda.

856
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,480
» Yeah, we'll put it on the agenda just a

857
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,079
survey review publicly and we'll throw

858
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,160
it on the screen for those online

859
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:56,480
watching as well. But that's all I have

860
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:59,200
for that. um Heritage Fest update

861
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:01,599
» Meeting this Thursday at 700 p.m. It's

862
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,440
getting faster paced now

863
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:05,040
» And I'll be there at this one

864
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,119
» Probably.

865
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,119
Um yeah, everybody's just kind of

866
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:10,480
scrambling at the last moment trying to

867
00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:11,760
get things in. I think we have a good

868
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,000
number of vendors that have come

869
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:12,640
through.

870
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,880
» We do

871
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:18,079
» Vendors. I think we're just waiting on

872
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:20,240
um kickball and

873
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:21,760
cornhole tournament members. I think we

874
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:23,920
really got to push that. So, if you know

875
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:26,079
anybody that wants to partake, I think

876
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:28,880
I'm gonna be signing up for cornhole,

877
00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:32,079
even though I suck at it. Um,

878
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:34,320
I I have to do my part. So, if anybody

879
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:36,000
has an idea, let's Yeah, please spread

880
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,760
the message. We need kickball people. Do

881
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:41,119
we know the How many are on a team

882
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:42,720
usually for that? I'm not certain. I

883
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:45,119
don't know how that works.

884
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:47,440
» I'm not a kickball connoisseur,

885
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:49,359
» But somebody had a good idea to to reach

886
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,520
out to like a state kickball association

887
00:39:49,359 --> 00:39:53,680
and just let them know. So, I'll be

888
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,880
emailing them on that piece to see if

889
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,560
they have any feedback or

890
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,560
recommendations. Otherwise, I'll

891
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,960
probably grab more flyers. I've got

892
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:04,560
Heritage Fest posted all the way up to

893
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:06,560
Anoka, so at every gas station.

894
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:10,160
So, it's there. If anybody goes to the

895
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:11,440
bathroom, you're going to see it. So,

896
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,280
but I think you're making good headway.

897
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,119
So, 7 p.m. this Thursday, and I'll set

898
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,960
up a Zoom link for those that reach out

899
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:17,920
to you on a Zoom. So, we have that ready

900
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,839
to go. You

901
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,320
» Should. Thank you.

902
00:40:19,839 --> 00:40:24,400
» Yeah. It's coming up now very quickly.

903
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,560
» It is.

904
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:30,400
We're at comp plan update.

905
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:32,800
» We will be meeting next next Tuesday the

906
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,359
15th.

907
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,079
» Perfect.

908
00:40:33,359 --> 00:40:38,000
» We'll be going over um we will be

909
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:40,560
talking about the weed ordinance.

910
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:44,079
Correct.

911
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:46,880
We'll review that as well at CPIC.

912
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:49,119
» Excellent.

913
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:51,280
And any questions for Amy so she can

914
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:53,040
enjoy your birthday?

915
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,040
» And I just add one thing. It's not

916
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,640
necessarily a question, but just kind of

917
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,400
something that the council should

918
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,880
address, and that's kind of looking back

919
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:03,119
to the school.

920
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:06,880
» I guess we would be kind of looking at

921
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:09,200
the attorney for the bank was looking at

922
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,599
if the city would be willing to escrow

923
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,440
the amount to reassemble the boiler. and

924
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:15,040
that it's just something that the

925
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:18,560
council should be addressing at this

926
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:20,560
point. I guess I don't really see

927
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,480
any necessity for the city to do that,

928
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,400
but

929
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,240
should be addressed.

930
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:29,359
» So the Yeah. No, thank you for bringing

931
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:31,680
that up. The the boiler the disassembly

932
00:41:29,359 --> 00:41:33,359
of the boiler is an industry practice

933
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,480
for the summer months and non-heating

934
00:41:33,359 --> 00:41:35,760
seasons. So that you don't need a

935
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,480
licensed boiler technician to be

936
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:40,880
responding out there to do its routine

937
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:43,040
checks uh per state law, I believe. So,

938
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:45,599
I I just I don't see a need for us to

939
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:47,839
pay for that. We've we've been very

940
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:49,920
clear that we're done with this and our

941
00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:51,599
offer has been issued at the bank and

942
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:54,079
we've been firm on our offer and I think

943
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:55,839
we've been very courteous. So, I don't

944
00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:58,400
see any interest or benefit in us

945
00:41:55,839 --> 00:42:00,000
putting that in escro to pay for for the

946
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,280
reassembly of a boiler when it's an

947
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,319
industry practice. So, if they want to

948
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,680
start heating the building, they should

949
00:42:02,319 --> 00:42:05,520
look at it and pay for it on their own.

950
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,240
That's my opinion.

951
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,920
» I would agree.

952
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:09,920
» All right. So I'll make a motion that

953
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,920
that we will not be paying for the escro

954
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,200
removing that um for the boiler. We'll

955
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,599
leave that up to the bank.

956
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,079
» Second.

957
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:16,880
» Motion second. Any further discussion?

958
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:18,000
Hearing [clears throat] none. All those

959
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,400
in favor say I.

960
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,040
» I.

961
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:24,079
» I. Opposed. Same side. And that carries

962
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:25,680
there. We got a response for that. We

963
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:26,800
should be set.

964
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,440
» All right. Well, you enjoy your

965
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,160
birthday.

966
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,119
» Thank you.

967
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:29,760
» Thank you so much.

968
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:32,240
» Thank you.

969
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,839
» And then we'll move up to ISG Brian.

970
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:34,400
Thanks. Thank you, good sir. No problem.

971
00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:36,480
Hate it.

972
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,400
» Um good evening everybody. Um there's a

973
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,400
couple things I guess in the agenda for

974
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,760
for us to discuss. The first I think

975
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,040
maybe I'll it might be later in your

976
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,680
packet but maybe we should just take

977
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:49,440
care of it first. Um the geotechnical

978
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:52,240
evaluation um for the 2026 street

979
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:55,040
project the the storm sewer and street

980
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:57,119
project on Church Street in Gloria. Um

981
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,400
so I mentioned previously that we had

982
00:42:57,119 --> 00:43:00,079
solicited proposals on behalf of the

983
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:03,119
city to do some contracting evaluation

984
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:06,480
work. In this case, we um put an RFP out

985
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:09,119
there for um 16 borings at a depth of 14

986
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:11,520
1/2 ft. The reason 14 1/2 ft is because

987
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:13,599
after 15 ft that you have to consider

988
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,200
them like a a well essentially required

989
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:16,720
to be sealed. So that's why we stop it

990
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,240
at 14 and 1/2 ft.

991
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:23,200
» Um because we're not doing anything

992
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:25,280
deeper in this case anyways. Um

993
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,960
so we we reach out to American

994
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,680
Engineering Testing and Brun Intertech

995
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:31,680
both um well known in this area both

996
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,920
very capable of doing the work. Um

997
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:36,960
American Engineering Testing they their

998
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:39,839
proposal was for $18,000

999
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:42,400
estimating about 5 to seven weeks um in

1000
00:43:39,839 --> 00:43:44,079
total time to do the to do the work. Uh

1001
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:47,200
Brown Intertech came in with a proposal

1002
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:49,280
of 16,466

1003
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,280
um with potential reductions if they

1004
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:54,160
feel they don't need to do um flagging

1005
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,920
for their traffic control. Um but they

1006
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:58,800
do estimate a little bit longer time of

1007
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:00,400
8 to 11 weeks. Um I guess in my opinion

1008
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,319
with where we're at in design and where

1009
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,319
we're at, you know, bidding probably

1010
00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:06,480
very early next year that I'm not super

1011
00:44:04,319 --> 00:44:07,520
concerned with that that difference in

1012
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,839
um

1013
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,839
» In lead time, I guess, personally. So I

1014
00:44:09,839 --> 00:44:15,040
guess our recommendation would be to um

1015
00:44:11,839 --> 00:44:16,480
to be approved the the bronze proposal

1016
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,680
» Broad intertech and I'm sure you guys

1017
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,079
have worked with them plenty in the

1018
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:22,440
past.

1019
00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:22,440
» Correct. We work with both of these.

1020
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,680
» I think that that's part of that study.

1021
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:32,240
We need to get something rolling there

1022
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:34,240
to address this issue and have a good

1023
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:37,200
plan in the future. So I would move that

1024
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:38,720
we move forward with Bron Intertech.

1025
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,720
We've already done the RFPs and

1026
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:41,359
everything. So,

1027
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:43,839
» I'll second.

1028
00:44:41,359 --> 00:44:46,240
» Motion second. Any further discussion?

1029
00:44:43,839 --> 00:44:48,640
Hearing? None. All those in favor say I.

1030
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:51,440
» Oppose. Same sign. And that carries.

1031
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:54,440
» So then D, if you can send me a sign

1032
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,440
proposal.

1033
00:44:54,701 --> 00:44:56,960
[clears throat]

1034
00:44:55,040 --> 00:45:00,800
» Um so then moving on, we're here also

1035
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:02,880
tonight to present the I guess a draft a

1036
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:05,520
draft of the payment manager report. Um,

1037
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,760
and I have with me online, um, I believe

1038
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:10,400
he's still on line is Michael Redenbau,

1039
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:12,400
who, um, has a much longer resume than I

1040
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,240
do, payment management reports. So,

1041
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,720
that's why we've kind of tagged him in

1042
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:18,319
to help with this one. So, he did a good

1043
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:19,839
chunk of the lifting on on preparation

1044
00:45:18,319 --> 00:45:22,400
of the draft proposal. And he's also

1045
00:45:19,839 --> 00:45:24,400
worked with um, this subcontracting firm

1046
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:27,599
that we used to prepare the data and do

1047
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:29,359
the the data collection. So, um, so

1048
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:31,680
yeah, with that, um, I'll maybe hand it

1049
00:45:29,359 --> 00:45:33,839
off to, um, Michael. I believe he's got

1050
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:36,000
some form of presentation prepared. Uh

1051
00:45:33,839 --> 00:45:39,480
you might have to give him permission to

1052
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,480
share his screen.

1053
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:44,240
» There you go. We see you.

1054
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,960
» Perfect. Perfect. Everyone hear me? All

1055
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:47,119
right.

1056
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,880
» Yep.

1057
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:50,480
» Awesome. Yeah. So, Brian noted been

1058
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,400
working on this pavement management plan

1059
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,880
uh for a little while now. A little bit

1060
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,720
about me. This is um I've done quite a

1061
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,800
few pavement management plans before

1062
00:45:56,720 --> 00:46:01,040
this uh across the upper Midwest, South

1063
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:04,800
Dakota, Iowa, and then now uh into

1064
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:07,119
Minnesota. Um so got a got a quite a

1065
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:09,359
repertoire of those under me uh in in a

1066
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:11,040
short amount of time. So uh they're kind

1067
00:46:09,359 --> 00:46:12,800
of interesting to me. A lot more science

1068
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:15,599
into them. So uh I'll try to keep it

1069
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:18,000
short and sweet for you and and um

1070
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:21,520
convey the information. So getting into

1071
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:24,800
it. Um

1072
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:26,960
getting into it. There we go. Um, so you

1073
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,720
may have seen this van uh back in June.

1074
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:31,040
Uh, this is what actually was collecting

1075
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:33,200
the raw data throughout town. Uh, on

1076
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:36,160
that van you can see various sensors.

1077
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:38,000
Uh, and what those are taking are uh

1078
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:40,000
various readings of the pavement

1079
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,800
surface, you know, crack length, crack

1080
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:45,119
width, crack depth. Also looking at the

1081
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:48,000
type of cracking, any sort of

1082
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:49,920
deflections or ruting or whatnot. Um and

1083
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:52,480
really just just collecting as much

1084
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:55,599
information on that pavement surface uh

1085
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:57,760
as it can. Uh one thing to note is is

1086
00:46:55,599 --> 00:46:59,680
since it is just from a van driving over

1087
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:02,640
the road uh it is from the surface and

1088
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:05,359
we're not actually evaluating any of the

1089
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:08,400
um the soil or aggregate base under the

1090
00:47:05,359 --> 00:47:10,079
road. So all of our uh conclusions uh

1091
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,319
and recommendations are based on what we

1092
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:14,880
can see from the surface. Uh then we

1093
00:47:12,319 --> 00:47:17,359
take that data and

1094
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,960
um run through standard procedure uh

1095
00:47:17,359 --> 00:47:23,359
developed by the army corps to calculate

1096
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:25,680
the pavement condition index or PCI.

1097
00:47:23,359 --> 00:47:27,359
Uh green has a lot of uh asphalt

1098
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:30,000
streets. I believe they're all asphalt.

1099
00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:32,720
Um and asphalt uh deterioration is

1100
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:35,280
typically broken into two categories.

1101
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:38,400
One uh is based on load and the other is

1102
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:40,560
due to uh age. uh with the size and

1103
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:43,760
anticipated traffic of of that within

1104
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:45,040
Green Isle, I would expect a lot of the

1105
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,800
um deterioration that you're seeing to

1106
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:50,400
be primarily due to the age of the road

1107
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:52,720
and less so due to the um any traffic

1108
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,160
loadings um unless you know had an

1109
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:55,920
inadequate section that really just

1110
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,359
wasn't designed for the load if if a

1111
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:00,160
road is busier than than what we

1112
00:47:57,359 --> 00:48:02,720
thought. So, uh a few examples are shown

1113
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:05,200
there. On the left is alig alligator

1114
00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:10,000
cracking. Uh this is typically caused by

1115
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:13,920
load. Um and load deteriorations are

1116
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:16,480
typically bottom up meaning they are um

1117
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:18,960
primarily caused by deficiencies in the

1118
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,640
subgrade. Um and what the subgrade is is

1119
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:24,319
the compacted soil that the roadway is

1120
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:26,480
built on. So as you can imagine um load

1121
00:48:24,319 --> 00:48:28,160
related failure of a roadway um bottom

1122
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,599
up is very expensive because you have to

1123
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,040
remove the pavement surface as well as

1124
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:33,119
the aggregate base course that the

1125
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,960
pavement rests on.

1126
00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:36,480
Uh the middle there is rudding. Uh

1127
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,559
you've all seen it, I'm sure, just due

1128
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,559
to the wheel paths, repetitive loading.

1129
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:42,240
Uh similar to alligator cracking, except

1130
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:44,960
it's it's more concentrated to that

1131
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:46,720
wheel path. Uh I would say a lot of the

1132
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:49,200
time, ruting eventually develops into

1133
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:52,559
alligator cracking. Um and once again,

1134
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:54,000
this is caused by traffic loading. Uh

1135
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:55,599
the one on the right is what you

1136
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,720
probably most commonly see throughout

1137
00:48:55,599 --> 00:49:00,400
town, uh is the longitudinal cracks. Um

1138
00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:03,920
what this is typically caused by is the

1139
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:06,480
age of the roadway. As that roadway um

1140
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:09,200
you know the years go by um seasons

1141
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:12,880
change ex uh the pavement expands and

1142
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:17,119
contracts um it just loses its ability

1143
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:20,319
to do so more um to do so. So instead of

1144
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:24,319
expanding contracting with these seasons

1145
00:49:20,319 --> 00:49:26,079
uh it it simply cracks. Um, so the the

1146
00:49:24,319 --> 00:49:29,520
nice thing I I guess I'll say about

1147
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:31,359
longitudinal cracking is it is uh top

1148
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,720
down cracks meaning it starts at the

1149
00:49:31,359 --> 00:49:35,119
pavement surface and then works

1150
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:37,440
downwards. So correcting this is is much

1151
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:40,640
easier much more cost effective than say

1152
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:42,559
fixing an alligator crack. So now we

1153
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,079
know about pavement distresses and how

1154
00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:46,880
the data was captured start looking at

1155
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:49,760
the pavement condition index. Um as

1156
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:52,319
noted uh this is from the calculated

1157
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:55,520
from the data um and is a numerical

1158
00:49:52,319 --> 00:49:57,839
rating system uh to estimate the

1159
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,920
structural capacity of a road. Uh much

1160
00:49:57,839 --> 00:50:02,000
like grades in school 100 is is a

1161
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:04,319
fantastic perfect road. No issues and

1162
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:08,160
zero is failed. It needs to be redone.

1163
00:50:04,319 --> 00:50:09,520
Uh now um as noted it is non-destructive

1164
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:12,160
and based on visible surface

1165
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:15,040
characteristics. Um, what that can mean

1166
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:16,960
is, uh, in other municipalities I've

1167
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:19,359
worked with, um, they had a lot of

1168
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,720
concrete roads. Well, once the panel

1169
00:50:19,359 --> 00:50:22,240
started to break, became a little

1170
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:25,680
disjointed, they would just overlay them

1171
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:28,079
with asphalt. Well, um, looks great for

1172
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:30,640
a year or two, but then as uh that

1173
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:33,040
asphalt overlay begins to age, you know,

1174
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,880
the reflective cracks come through and

1175
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:38,800
then really back to where you started.

1176
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:41,760
Um but what that means in terms of the

1177
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:46,000
uh PCI is that if for whatever reason we

1178
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:47,680
were to uh capture that data uh the year

1179
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,680
the same year or the year after that

1180
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:52,640
road was overlaid, it would show a very

1181
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:54,800
high PCI despite the actual underlying

1182
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:57,599
surface uh the original roadway being

1183
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:59,920
maybe down at a 25 or lower. Right? So

1184
00:50:57,599 --> 00:51:01,920
it can uh basically put lipstick on a

1185
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:03,760
pig uh and hide some of the issues that

1186
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,440
are underneath.

1187
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,800
Um, as previously [clears throat] noted,

1188
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,800
once again, we're not directly

1189
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:11,200
evaluating those subgrade soils, but we

1190
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:13,920
are using key indicators uh that we can

1191
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:15,680
see at the surface to um to estimate

1192
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:20,240
what we're seeing and and determine the

1193
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:23,119
causes of those roadway deteriorations.

1194
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:25,839
Um typically it's d broken out into a

1195
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:28,160
few categories uh which then are used to

1196
00:51:25,839 --> 00:51:31,119
evaluate and determine which type of

1197
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:34,079
maintenance or repair is uh most

1198
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:37,520
appropriate and most cost effective for

1199
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:40,240
the pavement section.

1200
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:43,520
Uh in addition to the PCI uh another

1201
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:46,240
thing that was captured in that

1202
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:48,240
um by that van is the roughness index.

1203
00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:49,760
This is more so driving along. This is

1204
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:51,359
what you feel in the car, every bump,

1205
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,920
every crack. Um, you know, I'm sure

1206
00:51:51,359 --> 00:51:55,760
you've all driven along a uh concrete

1207
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,680
roadway and you feel every single

1208
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,839
contraction joint that they saw into the

1209
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:02,000
pavement. Um, and then similarly, you

1210
00:51:59,839 --> 00:52:03,440
know, you hit a pothole, um, a rut,

1211
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:06,400
whatever it may be, you're feeling that

1212
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:08,720
in the car and that is what this uh,

1213
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:11,040
reflects and what this calculates. Uh,

1214
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:12,880
it's on the same scale. Uh, 0 to 100.

1215
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:16,000
100 is is roads perfectly smooth and

1216
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:17,359
zero is it's uh may as well be a gravel

1217
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:21,040
road with a bunch of potholes in it or

1218
00:52:17,359 --> 00:52:23,599
some washboarding. Um but is less

1219
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:25,599
important uh in our opinion in urban

1220
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:28,319
sections uh due to the lower travel

1221
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:29,839
speed uh you know if this were a DOT

1222
00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:33,200
application where you're traveling you

1223
00:52:29,839 --> 00:52:35,520
know 50 60 70 m an hour a small bump can

1224
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,920
really uh cause a lot more folks to lose

1225
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:40,000
control versus at 30 m hour or 20 mph

1226
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:42,640
through town. So uh something to note

1227
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:46,000
but not uh the primary uh thing we are

1228
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:50,559
looking to correct throughout town.

1229
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:53,280
Oops. Uh so now we'll base some of the

1230
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:55,040
distresses and how the PCI relates uh

1231
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:58,400
looking at some of the recommended

1232
00:52:55,040 --> 00:53:01,440
maintenance generally uh at each PCI

1233
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:04,720
range. So, um, before I get into it, I

1234
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:06,640
will say water is a huge, uh, driver and

1235
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:09,040
probably the main contributor to roadway

1236
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:12,079
deterioration. Uh, as water gets in

1237
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:15,040
through cracks or unsealed joints or at

1238
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:17,520
the back of curb even, um, it gets into

1239
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:19,200
that subs soil, you know, with our

1240
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:21,359
temperature fluctuations we have over

1241
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:23,119
season over the seasons, um, you know,

1242
00:53:21,359 --> 00:53:26,000
that can freeze and thaw and freeze and

1243
00:53:23,119 --> 00:53:27,599
thaw, uh, cause some heave in the road.

1244
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,839
Um, you know, causing it to swell when

1245
00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:32,400
it comes back. you know, that's placing

1246
00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:34,880
extra strain on that pavement. So, water

1247
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:37,040
is a a a huge contributor to roadway

1248
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:40,319
damage. Uh, and so we recommend crack

1249
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:41,839
sealing at a a large range of PCIs. Uh,

1250
00:53:40,319 --> 00:53:44,240
you know, I'd go as far as say anything

1251
00:53:41,839 --> 00:53:47,839
above 40, you want to crack seal. Um,

1252
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:50,400
even above 30. Um, because uh, as we'll

1253
00:53:47,839 --> 00:53:52,400
discuss later, uh, once it's down below

1254
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,880
and slated for a reconstruction, our

1255
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:58,319
recommendation is is to ride that out.

1256
00:53:54,880 --> 00:54:00,800
So, um, between 70 and 100, uh, you're

1257
00:53:58,319 --> 00:54:03,200
looking at your your surface coats. You

1258
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:05,760
know, think of a seal coat, a fog seal,

1259
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:08,400
a chip seal. Um, anything at the surface

1260
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:10,880
to really maintain, uh, maintain that

1261
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:13,119
pavement, help seal it, and prevent

1262
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:15,200
cracks from occurring.

1263
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:17,200
Uh, once your road is deteriorated a

1264
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:19,040
little bit further, uh, between 50 to

1265
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:22,800
70, uh, you're typically looking at a

1266
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:25,040
millin overlay. Uh and that is is best

1267
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,800
on the roads that have longitudinal

1268
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:29,839
cracks. Uh essentially you mill down

1269
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:32,079
that 2 in uh below where that crack has

1270
00:54:29,839 --> 00:54:34,000
spread to. Uh remove it down there, get

1271
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:36,000
the get back to the good lift of asphalt

1272
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:38,480
and then reoverlay it. Uh and then you

1273
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,880
essentially get uh a brand new road uh

1274
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:43,520
without having to go through the cost uh

1275
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:46,160
and pay for a brand new road. And then

1276
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:48,480
typically anything below 50 um is where

1277
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:50,640
it starts exhibiting some of that uh

1278
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:52,800
load related failure or you know failure

1279
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:55,760
in the subgrade. Uh and so it does

1280
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:58,800
require that more uh involved invasive

1281
00:54:55,760 --> 00:55:00,880
reconstruction um and repair to get it

1282
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,720
back to where it needs to be. Uh and as

1283
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,599
I noted, you know, once it's below 50,

1284
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:07,680
once we've identified that um got to

1285
00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:10,319
work the rework and recompact that

1286
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:12,480
subgrade, um typically you don't want to

1287
00:55:10,319 --> 00:55:14,480
replace your eye when it gets to 50. um

1288
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,480
being money conscious, you want to

1289
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:18,720
stretch the life of that roadway out as

1290
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:21,280
long as possible. Uh so that essentially

1291
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:24,760
your cost per year of that road is as

1292
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,760
low as possible.

1293
00:55:26,319 --> 00:55:29,680
Uh just showing some examples here of

1294
00:55:28,319 --> 00:55:31,680
some of the pre preventative

1295
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:33,839
maintenance. Uh again, this is for your

1296
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:36,880
higher PCI roads just to keep them at a

1297
00:55:33,839 --> 00:55:38,319
high PCI. So typically 70 to 100. Uh so

1298
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,640
crack and joint sealing in that upper

1299
00:55:38,319 --> 00:55:43,680
left. Uh sure you're familiar with it

1300
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:45,119
there. Uh chip sealing is one that uh I

1301
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,040
justly haven't dealt with much, but I

1302
00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:49,119
know it was very common uh a couple

1303
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:52,160
decades ago. Uh I'm more familiar with

1304
00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:55,040
slurry sealing. Uh in the southeast

1305
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:57,760
South Dakota region, um there's a a very

1306
00:55:55,040 --> 00:56:00,319
large annual slurry seal contract that I

1307
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:03,280
think 30 communities are a part of. Uh

1308
00:56:00,319 --> 00:56:05,119
and they really like that because um

1309
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:07,119
don't have chips flying up catching on

1310
00:56:05,119 --> 00:56:08,640
tires and breaking windshields and you

1311
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:10,640
can drive on it that same day and and

1312
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:13,359
provides the same if not uh a higher

1313
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:15,920
level of benefit. Uh and then that lower

1314
00:56:13,359 --> 00:56:19,200
right corner um not something that's

1315
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:21,520
done too often in residential areas in

1316
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:24,559
my experience uh is seal coating. Uh

1317
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:27,200
where you'll typically see this is um

1318
00:56:24,559 --> 00:56:29,119
along the interstate shoulders. Um, it's

1319
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,319
one of the things I know DOTs like to do

1320
00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:31,760
because, you know, the the shoulder

1321
00:56:30,319 --> 00:56:33,599
isn't driven on much, but they want that

1322
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,760
pavement to remain nice enough if

1323
00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:39,760
someone needs to pull off temporarily.

1324
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:42,079
So, uh, it's more common on driveways.

1325
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:44,480
Uh, moving on to pavement repairs. As

1326
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:46,480
noted, that millin overlay, um, you can

1327
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,640
see that existing pavement that, uh,

1328
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,000
down below, uh, basically that top layer

1329
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:53,599
was removed and we're just replacing

1330
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:55,680
that, um, driving surface. Uh, lower

1331
00:56:53,599 --> 00:56:57,440
left is a full depth repairer. Uh this

1332
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,880
could be used in scenarios where the

1333
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,720
curbon gutter is in really good

1334
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,720
condition. Uh but it's really just that

1335
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:05,200
that asphalt pavement between them that

1336
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:08,400
has just started to really degrade. Um

1337
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:10,480
this is um this is a good way to be

1338
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,079
really really stretch your dollars. Um

1339
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:15,119
typically carbon gutter will add about

1340
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:17,520
$80 to $100 per foot uh to roadway

1341
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:18,960
reconstruction projects. Uh and then as

1342
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,000
noted uh in the lower right is just

1343
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,880
looking at a complete roadway

1344
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:24,160
reconstruction. um really really

1345
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,240
removing the whole thing and and

1346
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:29,200
replacing it starting from scratch. So

1347
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:31,760
the one benefit of a full depth repair

1348
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:33,359
and a complete roadway reconstruction um

1349
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,520
typically you want to pair these with a

1350
00:57:33,359 --> 00:57:38,640
utility project um and and kind of

1351
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:40,240
double dip there. Don't want to uh pay

1352
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,680
one year to replace those utilities,

1353
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,359
then replace the pavement so you can

1354
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,720
have that driving surface over winter

1355
00:57:43,359 --> 00:57:46,400
and then come back in the spring and

1356
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,599
say, "Wow, the you know the road's not

1357
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,760
in great condition. Let's replace the

1358
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:51,680
road." Right? um from a funding

1359
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,920
perspective as well as a a scale of

1360
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,520
cost, it's it's more effective to uh

1361
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:58,520
plan and combine those projects if

1362
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,520
possible.

1363
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,400
So, why do we manage pavements? I've

1364
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:07,680
talked a lot about different repair

1365
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:10,480
types and PCIs. Um well, uh at the

1366
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:13,359
looking at the graph on the right, the

1367
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:16,319
yellow line is essentially the PCI of a

1368
00:58:13,359 --> 00:58:18,319
road if the city were to do nothing to

1369
00:58:16,319 --> 00:58:21,280
it. It starts off really good. It holds

1370
00:58:18,319 --> 00:58:23,280
its um it holds its PCIs in good

1371
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,359
condition for the first, you know, 10

1372
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:28,000
15ish years and then once it starts to

1373
00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:30,480
degrade, it it really falls off. Um

1374
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:34,079
right um think of think [snorts] of it

1375
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:36,319
as as a car, you know, you don't you

1376
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:37,520
don't drive the engine until it until it

1377
00:58:36,319 --> 00:58:39,440
dies and replace it, right? you're

1378
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,880
replacing, you're doing an oil change,

1379
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,559
you're doing tire changes, you're

1380
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,960
replacing the brake pads, you're

1381
00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:46,480
repairing the pieces, um, instead of

1382
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,599
just completely replacing the car,

1383
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,799
right? It makes it last longer, it

1384
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:51,599
stretches your dollars further. It's

1385
00:58:48,799 --> 00:58:54,160
it's a better investment. Um, and same

1386
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:56,480
thing can be said for roads. So, um,

1387
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,920
researchers have found that it is less

1388
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,440
expensive to keep roads in good

1389
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:02,640
condition than it is to completely

1390
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:04,319
repair damaged roads. So, if you start

1391
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,839
at the top of that yellow line and kind

1392
00:59:04,319 --> 00:59:07,440
of move to the right, you know, it

1393
00:59:05,839 --> 00:59:11,280
starts to degrade a little bit getting

1394
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:13,440
down to call it a PCI of 80 or so, maybe

1395
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,799
it has a crack or two. At that point,

1396
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:17,040
you know, you'd look to crack seal,

1397
00:59:14,799 --> 00:59:18,480
maybe chip seal or slurry seal, right?

1398
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:20,880
And then you can see then you'd follow

1399
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:23,920
that red line where it it bumps that PCI

1400
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:25,680
back up and keeps it high uh for, you

1401
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:30,079
know, for a much lower cost, right?

1402
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:31,760
that's repeatable uh several times. Um

1403
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:33,520
uh until a point where, you know, some

1404
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,440
of that load over, you know, over the

1405
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,400
years gets to it and you need to do a

1406
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,160
little something a little bit more

1407
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,960
involved or the cracking has just gotten

1408
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:44,559
so deep that um you know, the crack

1409
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:46,640
sealing or or the seals are not are not

1410
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:47,760
as effective. Right? At that point, you

1411
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:50,319
know, you maybe do something a little

1412
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:52,559
more costly like a mill overlay, right?

1413
00:59:50,319 --> 00:59:54,240
still not a full reconstruction but

1414
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:58,799
something a little more intensive to

1415
00:59:54,240 --> 01:00:00,640
bump that PCI back up. Um

1416
00:59:58,799 --> 01:00:02,079
so uh additionally researchers have

1417
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,920
found that you know spending that call

1418
01:00:02,079 --> 01:00:07,280
it that dollar on those preventative

1419
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:10,960
maintenance items saves $6 to $10 on

1420
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:15,920
rehab um over the course of the uh over

1421
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:20,319
the course of the roadway. So uh most um

1422
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:22,559
geotechnical uh companies are and and uh

1423
01:00:20,319 --> 01:00:24,160
in consultants uh when providing a

1424
01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:26,319
pavement section for development or any

1425
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:29,440
roadway typically looking about that

1426
01:00:26,319 --> 01:00:31,200
20-year life um assuming really you know

1427
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:33,920
minimal maintenance um looking at the

1428
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:36,160
traffic loads uh and projected uh

1429
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:38,559
traffic volumes whereas if you maintain

1430
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:40,480
it you know roads can certainly last uh

1431
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:42,640
more than 60 years won't be perfect by

1432
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:44,400
any means I won't I won't try to say a

1433
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:48,640
road a 60-year-old won't be without

1434
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:50,559
flaws, but um significant cost savings

1435
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:54,799
over those 60 years compared to, you

1436
01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:58,160
know, replacing the road every 20 years.

1437
01:00:54,799 --> 01:00:59,839
Um I will pause there uh answer any

1438
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:02,799
questions that the council has. That was

1439
01:00:59,839 --> 01:01:06,720
a quite a bit of information. Happy to

1440
01:01:02,799 --> 01:01:09,440
um make sure I'm um not not leaving you

1441
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:11,119
behind.

1442
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:14,720
» I think we're good.

1443
01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:16,960
Okay, perfect. We'll keep moving.

1444
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:18,960
So, moving on to uh the city of Green

1445
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:22,160
Isle specifically, this is this is the

1446
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:24,960
city's pavement uh network. Uh based on

1447
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:26,480
the data was collected in June. Um

1448
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,079
compared to compared to other cities

1449
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:31,680
I've worked with, the the city's in in

1450
01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:33,280
pretty good shape. Um typically, um uh

1451
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:35,920
it's calculated as a backlog. You want

1452
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:38,559
to typically stay above uh stay below

1453
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:40,960
15% of the roads backlog. And I want to

1454
01:01:38,559 --> 01:01:44,400
say the city was sitting around 10 or

1455
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:47,040
12%. Um which means uh essentially means

1456
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:49,520
that the city can typically stay on top

1457
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:53,520
of it then without major changes to

1458
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:57,839
funding or um you know a sweeping plan

1459
01:01:53,520 --> 01:02:00,640
or bonds. Um so uh it's in good shape.

1460
01:01:57,839 --> 01:02:02,799
Uh this is one where I, you know,

1461
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:04,880
following the meeting, uh, you know, ask

1462
01:02:02,799 --> 01:02:06,720
the council to to review the the full

1463
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:08,880
pavement management plan draft and just

1464
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:10,400
kind of make sure like the PCI that

1465
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,079
you're seeing on the map aligns with

1466
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:14,880
what you're you're feeling in town,

1467
01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:16,960
right? Um there may be some discrepancy.

1468
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:18,240
Um certainly, but I would hate for there

1469
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:20,480
to be, you know, road that shows as

1470
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,760
excellent on here, but really is is

1471
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,359
rough because that's something we'd want

1472
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:25,839
to correct and look at a little more

1473
01:02:23,359 --> 01:02:27,680
in-depth uh just to ensure that the plan

1474
01:02:25,839 --> 01:02:30,680
really is is suiting the needs of the

1475
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,680
city.

1476
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:36,400
Um with

1477
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,599
uh and following the PCI information, we

1478
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,599
typically will look at, you know,

1479
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:42,640
reconstructions because they are the

1480
01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:44,559
most costly um

1481
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:48,160
most costly item for the city. following

1482
01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:51,520
these plans uh because uh city the size

1483
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:54,000
of Green is is not not frequently doing

1484
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:57,440
uh a reconstruction. So we want to make

1485
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:59,680
sure we are uh picking correct picking

1486
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:01,359
the correct streets uh placing them on

1487
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:03,040
the plan and and you know coming to an

1488
01:03:01,359 --> 01:03:04,799
agreement there. So that's one thing I I

1489
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:08,160
would ask other council is is review

1490
01:03:04,799 --> 01:03:10,799
this list uh make sure it it aligns and

1491
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:12,319
hopefully the rating on the next sheet

1492
01:03:10,799 --> 01:03:14,799
provides some justification to this

1493
01:03:12,319 --> 01:03:17,078
list. Um

1494
01:03:14,799 --> 01:03:18,480
so with that um typically

1495
01:03:17,078 --> 01:03:21,920
[clears throat] how we how we determine

1496
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:24,880
the list for those reconstructions uh

1497
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:27,200
we've developed this over the past plans

1498
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:29,440
and found that

1499
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:31,680
um in cities without

1500
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:33,200
traffic data for every street. uh can

1501
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:35,119
typically, you know, kind of review that

1502
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:37,440
roadway network, identify where, you

1503
01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:40,559
know, maybe the M through streets are or

1504
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:42,559
or the the more main streets. Uh and

1505
01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:44,079
then combine that with a a couple other

1506
01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:46,960
pieces of information such as the number

1507
01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:49,680
of accesses. Uh reason being is if it's

1508
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:50,559
a commercial user or has quite a few

1509
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,839
homes on it, you know, there's going to

1510
01:03:50,559 --> 01:03:53,680
be more traffic on that road. Why?

1511
01:03:51,839 --> 01:03:55,680
That's uh that's an identifier for us

1512
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:58,319
that hey, this road gets more traffic

1513
01:03:55,680 --> 01:04:00,880
and it has a higher justification to be

1514
01:03:58,319 --> 01:04:04,960
redone. Uh on top of that we do have the

1515
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:07,440
PCI uh that is a a big driver for uh

1516
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:10,640
reconstructions uh roughness index to a

1517
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:13,440
lesser degree uh and then uh have a

1518
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:15,280
composite ranking there. So based on our

1519
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:17,599
inputs, you know, looking at that third

1520
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:20,079
street section uh from State Highway 5

1521
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:24,079
to Western Avenue uh as the number one

1522
01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:25,599
priority. However, you know, there's

1523
01:04:24,079 --> 01:04:27,039
um there certainly is a little bit of

1524
01:04:25,599 --> 01:04:29,440
play that that could be had. I'd say

1525
01:04:27,039 --> 01:04:31,920
between the first three or four on this

1526
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:33,839
list um based on based on the council's

1527
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,280
input. So this is what we've come up

1528
01:04:33,839 --> 01:04:37,520
with based on how we've set up the

1529
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:40,240
criteria scoring. Um if there's you know

1530
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:41,920
if there's a street that is is more um

1531
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:45,440
important higher priority you certainly

1532
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:49,039
we will um we can put that one first on

1533
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:53,119
the on the list if you'd like. So

1534
01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:55,359
and other uh followup is uh reason this

1535
01:04:53,119 --> 01:04:57,359
this rating came to be is is we had

1536
01:04:55,359 --> 01:04:59,920
another town uh another community that

1537
01:04:57,359 --> 01:05:01,599
we were working with where um you know

1538
01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:04,400
they they were very fortunate they were

1539
01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:07,599
able to do you know six blocks of

1540
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:10,400
reconstruction a year uh for a town of I

1541
01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:12,240
think 2500 right that's that's a

1542
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:15,520
significant investment that that that

1543
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:17,119
they were able to to do um there were

1544
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,559
concerns from citizens

1545
01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:19,920
um on the streets being chosen. You

1546
01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:22,400
know, it was a street here, a street

1547
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:24,240
there. Um nothing really uh without

1548
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:26,079
rhyme or reason. Well, come to find out,

1549
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,599
you know, it was the streets that, you

1550
01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:31,520
know, the council members or mayor lived

1551
01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:35,039
on and or family members.

1552
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:37,119
So, um the new mayor came in, had us do

1553
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:39,039
this plan, and was like, I want a

1554
01:05:37,119 --> 01:05:42,319
data-driven approach. You know, I I

1555
01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:43,520
don't want there to be any um uh bias in

1556
01:05:42,319 --> 01:05:45,760
selecting the streets. I, you know, I

1557
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:47,200
want it to come from a ranking with some

1558
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,480
justification to it other than, you

1559
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,000
know, it's the street I live on. I want

1560
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,440
a nice street. So, that's where this

1561
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:53,520
comes from. But also, you know, our

1562
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:55,520
criteria scoring. I want to uh I want to

1563
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:58,000
cater it to some degree to to what the

1564
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:59,440
needs of the city are. So,

1565
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:01,520
» Perfect. The mayor doesn't live on any

1566
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:04,240
of those. So, you're golden.

1567
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:05,520
» Perfect. Love to hear it.

1568
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,000
» Yeah, because you already made yours

1569
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,319
blue.

1570
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:13,760
» That's true. Ours is blue, apparently.

1571
01:06:08,319 --> 01:06:16,480
Yeah. I'll take it. Awesome.

1572
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:21,280
So, uh, as I noted previously, you know,

1573
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:23,119
as far as, uh, the municipal um,

1574
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:24,160
what I call it, the rideway, uh, you

1575
01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:25,440
know, municipal items within the

1576
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,359
rideway, you know, the roadway is just

1577
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:30,559
one piece, right? You have storm sewer,

1578
01:06:27,359 --> 01:06:32,720
you have sanitary sewer, you have, uh,

1579
01:06:30,559 --> 01:06:34,880
the water mane, sidewalk, you know,

1580
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:36,240
maybe street lights, um, quite a few

1581
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:40,160
things, but there's the roadway is just

1582
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:42,559
one piece. So, you know, we'd love to

1583
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:44,799
just just redo the road, but we want to

1584
01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:47,680
have that economy of scale, right? I I'd

1585
01:06:44,799 --> 01:06:49,440
hate to redo a road uh and just have a

1586
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,640
road project and then come, you know,

1587
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:52,799
come to find out it's like, oh, there's

1588
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,839
no sidewalk access to there or, you

1589
01:06:52,799 --> 01:06:56,319
know, the water may needs to be

1590
01:06:53,839 --> 01:06:58,400
replaced. There's been leaks, right? So,

1591
01:06:56,319 --> 01:07:01,200
um, prior to to doing a reconstruction,

1592
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:03,920
I think it's it's worth to do a a review

1593
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:05,760
of the, uh, adjacent uses and ensure

1594
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:07,920
that, uh, the scope of the

1595
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:10,319
reconstruction includes all items that

1596
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:13,119
need to be replaced, um, just to ensure

1597
01:07:10,319 --> 01:07:16,799
that, um, you know, those dollars are

1598
01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:18,880
stretched even further. um on the

1599
01:07:16,799 --> 01:07:22,960
projects I've worked on in South Dakota,

1600
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:25,359
um roads, the roads were in poor shape,

1601
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:27,119
but they were primarily utility driven.

1602
01:07:25,359 --> 01:07:28,880
Um and a lot of municipalities actually

1603
01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:31,599
went out to the state SRF program for

1604
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:35,599
funding on those projects. Well, since

1605
01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:38,720
the water, sewer, and storm were all um

1606
01:07:35,599 --> 01:07:42,480
covered under the state's SRF fund, um

1607
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:44,720
and they had to remove the roadway to

1608
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:46,880
um had to remove the roadway to access

1609
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:48,640
and replace those utilities. Uh they

1610
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:51,039
were actually able to put the cost for

1611
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:52,720
roadway replacement on that loan. So, it

1612
01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:54,240
was all uh it was able to all be loan

1613
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:56,400
funded instead of the city having to pay

1614
01:07:54,240 --> 01:08:00,240
out of pocket for those roadway items.

1615
01:07:56,400 --> 01:08:02,240
So, um I'd leave that to to Brian uh for

1616
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:04,559
specifics on the on the Minnesota SRF

1617
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:06,960
program. Um but that's that that may be

1618
01:08:04,559 --> 01:08:09,200
an option for the city if there is a a

1619
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:10,160
combination project uh and if funds are

1620
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:11,520
tight.

1621
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:13,680
» Yeah, it's similar here in Minnesota

1622
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:15,839
with the PFA the the excuse me, that's

1623
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:17,440
what we call clean water botting fund or

1624
01:08:15,839 --> 01:08:19,279
drinking water botting fund. If you're

1625
01:08:17,440 --> 01:08:21,359
funded through those programs, they do

1626
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:22,799
allow for like a 10-ft strip or or

1627
01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:25,040
depending on the depth of the sanitary

1628
01:08:22,799 --> 01:08:26,719
sew that might be wider um to be

1629
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:28,719
included in that low interest loan or

1630
01:08:26,719 --> 01:08:30,719
potentially eligible for some incentive

1631
01:08:28,719 --> 01:08:33,719
grants through those those state

1632
01:08:30,719 --> 01:08:33,719
programs.

1633
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:37,520
» And then the last thing I'll look at as

1634
01:08:35,839 --> 01:08:39,759
as far as other improvements go is is

1635
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:41,359
roadway design standards. Uh we've had a

1636
01:08:39,759 --> 01:08:45,040
couple communities now that have been

1637
01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:46,480
primarily um developer driven uh where

1638
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,839
the city wasn't putting in any new

1639
01:08:46,480 --> 01:08:49,359
streets. It was all you know private

1640
01:08:47,839 --> 01:08:51,199
development built wanted to build houses

1641
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:53,279
sell lots uh and as such they were

1642
01:08:51,199 --> 01:08:55,600
putting in the roadways. Well, they had

1643
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:57,520
struggles for a few years where you know

1644
01:08:55,600 --> 01:09:00,480
developers are are trying to maximize

1645
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:02,719
their profits and and um I'll say being

1646
01:09:00,480 --> 01:09:04,560
cost-ffective where they can and you

1647
01:09:02,719 --> 01:09:05,839
know the roadway section suffered. Uh

1648
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:08,159
and as that is something that is

1649
01:09:05,839 --> 01:09:10,880
typically transferred and conveyed uh to

1650
01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:12,960
the city um want to make sure that that

1651
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:15,199
roadway section lasts and the city gets

1652
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:17,040
the full life of it. uh would hate for,

1653
01:09:15,199 --> 01:09:19,679
you know, a brand new road to go in

1654
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:22,239
developer installed and then, you know,

1655
01:09:19,679 --> 01:09:24,000
five years later, oh, it needs major

1656
01:09:22,239 --> 01:09:26,880
maintenance a mill overlay because it

1657
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:29,679
was 3 in of asphalt or 4 in of asphalt

1658
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:34,080
on 6 in of of aggregate base, right? We

1659
01:09:29,679 --> 01:09:36,000
want to make sure that um the city

1660
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:38,159
um has a good road network regardless if

1661
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:40,000
they built it themselves or if it was

1662
01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:42,319
essentially given it to them from

1663
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,920
developers. So, if that's something the

1664
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:45,520
city has seen an issue with in the past

1665
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:50,159
or would like us to include in the

1666
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:54,480
report certainly certainly can as well.

1667
01:09:50,159 --> 01:09:56,320
Um, some cost-saving ideas. Um, I

1668
01:09:54,480 --> 01:09:59,040
provided the example where roadway costs

1669
01:09:56,320 --> 01:10:01,280
could be provided in the SRF fund. Um

1670
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:03,120
but when when they're not able to be

1671
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:05,280
included in those low interest loans, uh

1672
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:07,920
my experience is that funding for

1673
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:10,320
roadway either grants or loans is very

1674
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:13,280
sparse and typically comes directly out

1675
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:15,199
of either a bond or the city's uh city's

1676
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:17,840
reserve. So, you know, trying to be

1677
01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:19,440
efficient with our roadway network. Um

1678
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:21,760
seen seeing opportunities in other

1679
01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:24,239
communities for street closures. Um

1680
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:26,400
evaluating roadway if uh rightway if

1681
01:10:24,239 --> 01:10:27,920
it's even needed. Uh and then reviewing

1682
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,600
a special street maintenance fee, you

1683
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:32,080
know, modifying that, implementing that

1684
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:34,800
or adjusting that is needed to to cover

1685
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:37,120
uh annual maintenance costs. Uh so as

1686
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:38,640
far as street closures go, you know, if

1687
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:41,040
there's say if there's a street in town

1688
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:42,800
that doesn't uh that connects two

1689
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:45,520
roadways, but there's no alley access,

1690
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:48,239
no driveway access, um no nothing under

1691
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:50,159
it, you know, that may be a contender um

1692
01:10:48,239 --> 01:10:51,440
to to close it down, then it's one less

1693
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:53,760
block, say, that the city has to

1694
01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:56,800
maintain. Uh it typically is a divisive

1695
01:10:53,760 --> 01:11:00,640
topic I will say. Um but it it is out

1696
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:02,320
there if if the city is uh really

1697
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:04,960
needing to cut back costs in the future

1698
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:06,560
which uh based on the budget and funding

1699
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:08,480
it didn't seem like uh that was quite

1700
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:11,440
the case. Uh and then similarly

1701
01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:13,920
literally rightaway ele evaluation uh

1702
01:11:11,440 --> 01:11:16,400
had a had a situation in another

1703
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:18,560
community where uh industry had bought

1704
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:20,320
both sides of the rideway and

1705
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:23,600
essentially uh through you know

1706
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:25,360
handshake deals or what uh what seu had

1707
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:27,520
basically developed across the entire

1708
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:31,520
public rideaway uh put their put their

1709
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:32,960
lot there and and um really wasn't a

1710
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,880
road there. it was a it was a glorified

1711
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:36,400
driveway and that was a scenario where

1712
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:39,600
we recommended that they just you know

1713
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:41,040
deed that back to that entity. Um the

1714
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:43,520
city doesn't want to be liable for that

1715
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:45,520
rightaway. It's essentially you know

1716
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:47,760
part of their lot wrong right or

1717
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:50,560
otherwise. Uh and then you know where

1718
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:52,080
that would adjust uh the intersection

1719
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,600
with that other road that would then

1720
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:56,800
essentially be their driveway access.

1721
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:58,400
So, I didn't notice uh any of that in

1722
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,840
Green Isle, but you know, should it come

1723
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:03,760
up or should should things change,

1724
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:06,320
certainly uh keep it in mind.

1725
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:07,600
Um so, funding sources uh as noted, you

1726
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:09,280
know, those general funds, special

1727
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:11,280
assessment, the state revolving fund,

1728
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:13,840
the clean water and drinking water uh

1729
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:16,880
loans there, uh bonds, and then state

1730
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:18,719
sales taxes. Um as noted, grants are

1731
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:22,000
available, although they are typically

1732
01:12:18,719 --> 01:12:25,360
sparse and highly contested. um and

1733
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:27,760
typically uh are economic development

1734
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:29,120
centered. So if it's uh it's probably

1735
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:32,679
not going to get a grant for a

1736
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:32,679
residential reconstruction.

1737
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:39,280
So uh in conclusion, uh based on input

1738
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:40,400
from the council, as as noted

1739
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,480
previously, you know, recommend

1740
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:44,320
implementation of a of a 5-year capital

1741
01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:46,960
plan, uh whether that is, you know, a

1742
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:48,400
reconstruction uh in a couple years or

1743
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:50,800
just yearly maintenance or a little bit

1744
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:52,239
of both. Um, and then, you know, prior

1745
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:54,480
really prioritizing that preventative

1746
01:12:52,239 --> 01:12:56,480
maintenance. Uh, the city's got a good

1747
01:12:54,480 --> 01:13:00,480
um a good roadway network on them. And

1748
01:12:56,480 --> 01:13:02,719
I' I'd like to see it stay that way. Um,

1749
01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:04,719
so keep those good good roads good. Uh,

1750
01:13:02,719 --> 01:13:07,280
and then, you know, update this plan.

1751
01:13:04,719 --> 01:13:10,080
Uh, get new data typically every 5

1752
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:13,440
years. um just so we can stay on top and

1753
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:16,480
make sure that our our our payment

1754
01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:18,719
maintenance operations um are being as

1755
01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:21,360
as effective as we hope and then ensure

1756
01:13:18,719 --> 01:13:22,880
that um areas aren't degrading faster

1757
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:25,280
than anticipated where we would need to

1758
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:27,199
to shift plans or identify a source for

1759
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:29,040
some of that degradation.

1760
01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:31,040
» So

1761
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:33,520
with that I'll

1762
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:36,960
open it up for questions again.

1763
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:38,719
» Perfect. Any questions so far? Very good

1764
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:41,760
review. I do appreciate you bringing

1765
01:13:38,719 --> 01:13:43,280
this up. I'm glad we did it.

1766
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:44,000
Um Ryan, do you have anything you want

1767
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:45,280
to cover?

1768
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:47,120
» Maybe just Michael, just [clears throat]

1769
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:48,000
a clarifying I guess question or

1770
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:49,760
statement for you. I know we had

1771
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:51,280
discussed, you know, that the city is

1772
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,560
we're currently working on design for

1773
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:54,960
Church Street. I didn't see it in your

1774
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:56,560
list, but it is rated as you know lower

1775
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:58,400
at least part portion of it lower on the

1776
01:13:56,560 --> 01:14:02,800
scale. Did that factor in your list at

1777
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:05,040
all? um as you're preparing it

1778
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:07,520
at least unless I

1779
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:10,520
maybe I just missed it.

1780
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:10,520
» Church

1781
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:17,840
» Church to Gloria on E6

1782
01:14:15,679 --> 01:14:19,600
church to end South Lane Church Street

1783
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,960
to end. No,

1784
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,880
» I think these are Yeah, I don't see

1785
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:24,400
Church Street specifically on the list.

1786
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:25,440
So,

1787
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:26,719
» I know it's something we had talked

1788
01:14:25,440 --> 01:14:29,280
about, Michael. I just wanted to clarify

1789
01:14:26,719 --> 01:14:30,719
if that was part of the

1790
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:33,199
Yeah, and certainly if that's a if

1791
01:14:30,719 --> 01:14:34,400
that's Yeah, we can we can add that and

1792
01:14:33,199 --> 01:14:35,199
add that to the list. Make sure it

1793
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:38,000
doesn't get missed. I know you're

1794
01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:40,320
working on it now. Um we can for

1795
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:42,400
budgetary purposes certainly throw it on

1796
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:44,719
the 2027

1797
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:46,159
um just so it's there and so we can

1798
01:14:44,719 --> 01:14:49,400
accurately, you know, budget the

1799
01:14:46,159 --> 01:14:49,400
following years.

1800
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:56,600
» Yeah, cuz I see 365th up by Shamrock.

1801
01:14:56,719 --> 01:15:00,239
That's a red one. But

1802
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:01,679
» Oh, so yeah, that

1803
01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:04,080
» That's that's the church because that's

1804
01:15:01,679 --> 01:15:07,199
where it turns into 365th.

1805
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:09,199
So right where you see South Lane, um

1806
01:15:07,199 --> 01:15:11,920
where it's red there as well, that's

1807
01:15:09,199 --> 01:15:13,199
365th, but that's technically church. I

1808
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:17,239
mean, that's that's what the city name

1809
01:15:13,199 --> 01:15:17,239
is till you get up past sixth.

1810
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:23,040
So that's the only thing that I really

1811
01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:23,920
would recommend, too. Good catch on that

1812
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:25,040
one.

1813
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:29,199
» Ask for questions today.

1814
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:31,760
» Yep. Um, sir, I just want to say I know

1815
01:15:29,199 --> 01:15:33,120
there's a lot of that alligator cracking

1816
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:36,080
that you had mentioned and some really

1817
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:38,640
big holes on Fourth Street and I see

1818
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:40,800
that that one is listed as very good

1819
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:42,000
compared to like First and Third. So, I

1820
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:46,239
wanted to make sure that that was

1821
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:48,400
actually correct in your assessment and

1822
01:15:46,239 --> 01:15:51,760
that alligator cracking is actually not

1823
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:54,800
as bad as I think it is or if that one

1824
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:56,880
got mislabeled because I know

1825
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:59,440
» Mr. Linquist, council member Linquist

1826
01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:00,480
had brought up four street times.

1827
01:15:59,440 --> 01:16:03,280
» Which segment?

1828
01:16:00,480 --> 01:16:04,960
» The segment is the segment from Maine to

1829
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:06,239
Western. So, I think that one

1830
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,280
» Okay. It's hard to see on here.

1831
01:16:06,239 --> 01:16:10,239
» Oh, yeah. That's kind of

1832
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:13,199
» It is orange. It's orange. The rest of

1833
01:16:10,239 --> 01:16:16,159
the street is labeled good to

1834
01:16:13,199 --> 01:16:17,120
» Okay, thank you. Yeah, I just see. Yep,

1835
01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:19,679
now I'm seeing what you're talking

1836
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:21,280
about. Okay, cool. Thank you.

1837
01:16:19,679 --> 01:16:22,000
» You did it, Michael. [clears throat]

1838
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:22,640
» Um,

1839
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:24,480
» You got it.

1840
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:27,040
» One question. Most of the list it looked

1841
01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:29,440
like was the red streets, but kind of

1842
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:31,760
earlier you'd mentioned

1843
01:16:29,440 --> 01:16:34,320
that once it kind of gets down to like

1844
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:36,960
that low orange or red, sometimes you

1845
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:39,199
just kind of switch over to run to fail

1846
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:40,400
» And correct. So, I guess I was kind of

1847
01:16:39,199 --> 01:16:44,719
wondering like, okay, we got a few

1848
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:48,800
yellows in here. Would it almost be

1849
01:16:44,719 --> 01:16:51,040
better if we focused on yellow and like

1850
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:53,360
the marginal, the fair, that 40 to 60

1851
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:56,000
range, making sure that those don't get

1852
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:57,840
worse, getting those back up to our good

1853
01:16:56,000 --> 01:17:00,960
to excellent,

1854
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:03,840
and letting some of those red roads just

1855
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:05,920
run to fail.

1856
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:09,360
» Yeah. And that's I mean that is 100%

1857
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:11,679
keeping the good roads good mindset. Um

1858
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:13,840
one thing there is you know uh when it's

1859
01:17:11,679 --> 01:17:18,159
it's marginal there could be a mix of

1860
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:19,600
distresses. You know I I' um

1861
01:17:18,159 --> 01:17:21,679
like I said I'd hate to put lipstick on

1862
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:23,920
a pig and and do something where I start

1863
01:17:21,679 --> 01:17:26,080
to see some alligator cracking um on

1864
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:28,960
some of these yellow streets. Um but

1865
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:30,640
certainly we can evaluate those. Um the

1866
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,640
reconstruction list is not like these

1867
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:34,880
are the first ones to do by any means.

1868
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:36,400
you know, we may do uh the reconstruct

1869
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:38,400
next year and then have four years of

1870
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:41,600
milling overlays or or slurry seals or

1871
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:44,000
chip seals, right? So, um those are just

1872
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:45,840
the first streets we identified for full

1873
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:48,080
reconstruction as that is typically the

1874
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:49,360
highest capital cost to the city.

1875
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:50,640
» Yeah, I think that's the point of

1876
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:53,440
clarification is that list was

1877
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:54,719
specifically for what we'd recommend as

1878
01:17:53,440 --> 01:17:56,480
getting to that point where it would

1879
01:17:54,719 --> 01:17:58,400
need a full reclamation.

1880
01:17:56,480 --> 01:18:00,480
» Got it. We're not suggesting that the

1881
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:02,480
state should suspend any maintenance on

1882
01:18:00,480 --> 01:18:04,400
the better ranking road too.

1883
01:18:02,480 --> 01:18:05,840
» So yeah, like I like your analogy,

1884
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:08,800
lipstick on a pig. I was going to say

1885
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:10,719
painting a turd, but uh I think I think

1886
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:12,880
both work and I I hear what you're

1887
01:18:10,719 --> 01:18:14,080
saying on that. That makes total sense.

1888
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:16,719
» Yeah. Yeah. So, I think I think kind of

1889
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:18,320
Michael's the main reason I tonight that

1890
01:18:16,719 --> 01:18:20,640
he outlined kind of those reconstruction

1891
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:22,960
areas is to get um some consensus or at

1892
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:25,840
least some some input from from council

1893
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:28,159
or the city and like which of those do

1894
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:30,320
you see as the highest need like so for

1895
01:18:28,159 --> 01:18:31,920
example the railroad street from Parnell

1896
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:33,920
Street to the end like perhaps that's

1897
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:35,920
not a higher need because it's a deadend

1898
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:38,159
road that maybe doesn't serve volume of

1899
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:40,320
traffic right so trying to get an idea

1900
01:18:38,159 --> 01:18:41,760
of maybe where the city stands on that

1901
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:43,920
list from a full reconstruction

1902
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:45,440
standpoint But then in the final report,

1903
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:46,719
we would include also some maintenance

1904
01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:48,000
recommendations. Is that correct,

1905
01:18:46,719 --> 01:18:51,679
Michael?

1906
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:53,440
» Correct. Yep. So, um, kind of one thing

1907
01:18:51,679 --> 01:18:55,920
I hope to gain from this meeting is is

1908
01:18:53,440 --> 01:18:58,159
how aggressive the the city would like

1909
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:59,440
to be with reconstructions because, you

1910
01:18:58,159 --> 01:19:01,760
know, if you're going to be more

1911
01:18:59,440 --> 01:19:03,520
aggressive with the higher cost items,

1912
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:05,120
it's going to leave a little, you know,

1913
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:08,320
less money for some of those regular

1914
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:10,000
maintenance items. Um,

1915
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:11,840
and then conversely, you know, if if you

1916
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:14,239
do truly want to let these these red

1917
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:16,800
streets just ride them out, um, then we

1918
01:19:14,239 --> 01:19:18,159
can we can really focus uh some of those

1919
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,679
more intense maintenance items like

1920
01:19:18,159 --> 01:19:23,920
milling and overlay on on the yellow

1921
01:19:19,679 --> 01:19:26,480
streets um as as necessary.

1922
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:29,199
» Yeah, it seems like mill overlay is our

1923
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:31,040
tends to be our go-to on the yellow, but

1924
01:19:29,199 --> 01:19:33,440
the Yeah, the red we're just going to

1925
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:35,920
have to put that in our CIP to plan to

1926
01:19:33,440 --> 01:19:37,760
do a full-on overhaul.

1927
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:40,640
Yeah, and I will there there is a little

1928
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:42,800
bit of caveat I I I will say um with

1929
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:44,960
some of the red and reconstructions. So

1930
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:46,719
looking at this this culde-sac here,

1931
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:49,199
right, that's that was shown as very

1932
01:19:46,719 --> 01:19:51,199
poor, but being a culde-sac, it has very

1933
01:19:49,199 --> 01:19:52,320
low traffic volumes, you know, that's

1934
01:19:51,199 --> 01:19:54,719
one where

1935
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:56,880
» I mean, realistically, you probably

1936
01:19:54,719 --> 01:19:58,560
could mill and overlay it despite maybe

1937
01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:01,440
being below the range

1938
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:04,080
» And and see and and get an extended life

1939
01:20:01,440 --> 01:20:05,440
out of it.

1940
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:05,920
So there there's a little bit of nuance

1941
01:20:05,440 --> 01:20:06,880
to it.

1942
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:08,560
» It's a good point.

1943
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:10,880
» I know. I'm looking at that section at

1944
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:12,080
Third Street and we got first through

1945
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:14,239
fifth. If you're trying to get to

1946
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:16,080
Western, you have a half you have

1947
01:20:14,239 --> 01:20:17,600
several options there and there's no

1948
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,880
driveways that open up to that section

1949
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:20,560
of Third Street.

1950
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:22,159
» So that that that'd be one that I'd

1951
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:24,320
probably start saying, you know, was

1952
01:20:22,159 --> 01:20:25,920
very low priority because you there's

1953
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:28,560
other options to get around and there's

1954
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:29,440
no driveways on that section,

1955
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:31,040
» Right?

1956
01:20:29,440 --> 01:20:32,000
» So yeah,

1957
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:34,239
» Those considerations.

1958
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:36,719
» Yeah. and Michael put in the access

1959
01:20:34,239 --> 01:20:38,800
points um how many access points are in

1960
01:20:36,719 --> 01:20:41,679
there which is good to see when we're

1961
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:43,760
looking at the roadways too. So

1962
01:20:41,679 --> 01:20:46,000
yeah, we'll keep it on our agenda for

1963
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:47,920
the next meeting as well once we all get

1964
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:50,320
a chance to really review this and

1965
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:51,679
hopefully two uh streets committee

1966
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:53,760
members will be present have chance to

1967
01:20:51,679 --> 01:20:56,560
review as well as let them know that we

1968
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:58,480
looked at it today.

1969
01:20:56,560 --> 01:21:00,320
» Brian or Michael, anything else on this?

1970
01:20:58,480 --> 01:21:01,920
No, I think yeah, I think what we'd be

1971
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:03,600
looking for from council then is after

1972
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:05,280
you've had a chance, we can get the

1973
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:07,280
draft report out, but wanted to run

1974
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:09,760
through it with you first similar

1975
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:11,120
approach, but um yeah, then once we get

1976
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:12,800
that input, we can work on finalizing

1977
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:15,040
that final report that you guys

1978
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:16,560
» Be wonderful. So, yeah, if we if you

1979
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:19,760
guys send out the draft, we'll we'll

1980
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:21,679
look at that in detail and have some

1981
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:24,159
information back at the next meeting for

1982
01:21:21,679 --> 01:21:26,159
you guys.

1983
01:21:24,159 --> 01:21:29,679
» Awesome. Well, thank you for your time.

1984
01:21:26,159 --> 01:21:34,239
» We appreciate you. Thanks, Michael.

1985
01:21:29,679 --> 01:21:35,760
» All right, then we'll move on to we got

1986
01:21:34,239 --> 01:21:37,920
street projects. The snow removal

1987
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:39,360
location. Um I think we do this every

1988
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,080
year is just decide where the heck we're

1989
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:41,440
putting snow.

1990
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:42,880
» Do we want to table some of these

1991
01:21:41,440 --> 01:21:45,440
because we can street?

1992
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:46,320
» Yep. That's all related to streets. So

1993
01:21:45,440 --> 01:21:49,280
» The members

1994
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:50,640
» Y. So I would make a motion to table

1995
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:52,000
street projects including any

1996
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,440
conversation for the snow removal

1997
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:55,040
location.

1998
01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:57,360
» Motion second. Any further hearing?

1999
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:58,719
None. All those in favor say I. I post

2000
01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:01,600
same sign that carries. So, those are

2001
01:21:58,719 --> 01:22:03,360
that's tabled. Um I think we can

2002
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:06,000
probably cover the the rest of it. The

2003
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:08,719
the holiday lights, as we all know, I I

2004
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:10,320
called Excel our contact. Um it was

2005
01:22:08,719 --> 01:22:12,800
brought up at the last meeting with the

2006
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:15,600
the new kind of protocols Excel Energy

2007
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:17,199
has. We can't plug and play on them

2008
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:20,000
anymore with the lights. So, we got to

2009
01:22:17,199 --> 01:22:23,120
come up with an alternative. Um and to

2010
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:24,960
be clear, the the road on Parnell, that

2011
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:26,480
is city lights. So that's why we have

2012
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:28,639
the Christmas trees on there. That's why

2013
01:22:26,480 --> 01:22:30,639
Excel didn't have a a say or play in

2014
01:22:28,639 --> 01:22:32,400
that at all. Everything else for our

2015
01:22:30,639 --> 01:22:34,800
lights is where it's it's plugging into

2016
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:36,480
these old street lights at Excel when

2017
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,920
they did their I like to say upgrade,

2018
01:22:36,480 --> 01:22:40,239
but it's not. It's just their their

2019
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:43,760
maintenance and new poles and all that.

2020
01:22:40,239 --> 01:22:45,760
Um that's kind of the new generation

2021
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:47,280
generational thought is is no more

2022
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:48,080
plug-andplays from the city because

2023
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:49,840
essentially we're getting free

2024
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:51,199
electricity out of the deal too. I see

2025
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:53,120
where they're coming. The liabilities

2026
01:22:51,199 --> 01:22:54,400
that come from it. So, we do need to

2027
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:56,159
think about what the heck we're going to

2028
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:57,840
do with our holiday lights and how we're

2029
01:22:56,159 --> 01:23:00,880
going to display them. Should they be in

2030
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:03,120
the parks? Um, what do we do on the

2031
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:05,840
highway if we want to do anything? So,

2032
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:07,600
I'd almost um like to discuss possibly

2033
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:09,120
implementing some sort of bringing back

2034
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:12,560
some sort of holiday lights committee

2035
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:14,480
for the time being and just have a meril

2036
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:18,159
appointed committee at that point and

2037
01:23:14,480 --> 01:23:19,920
see what the consensus is of the group.

2038
01:23:18,159 --> 01:23:20,960
Either that would or would park board

2039
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:22,320
have capacity?

2040
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:23,840
» If they have capacity, that would be

2041
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,960
wonderful, too. I don't know. We can we

2042
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:26,159
can bring it up at the park board

2043
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:27,520
meeting. We'll have that as an agenda

2044
01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:30,000
item.

2045
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:32,639
» Um, which is a good point. We'll see if

2046
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:35,280
if any of them want to take that on. And

2047
01:23:32,639 --> 01:23:37,120
if not, um, we can open that up because

2048
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:39,040
it used to be a separate committee, but

2049
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:41,360
I don't want it to be a standing one. I

2050
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:42,480
don't see that being necessary.

2051
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:43,040
» Short lived when we did

2052
01:23:42,480 --> 01:23:45,120
» It was

2053
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:46,960
» Several years ago. All the new lights.

2054
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:48,320
» All the new lights. So it'd be it'd be

2055
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:49,920
very shortlived for this. So maybe the

2056
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:52,400
parks committee would have a say in it.

2057
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:53,280
So we'll add that for that one.

2058
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:57,040
» Um

2059
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:59,600
» To clarify, the main issue is not using

2060
01:23:57,040 --> 01:24:00,159
their power or not using their pulse.

2061
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:00,880
Oh,

2062
01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:03,679
» Okay.

2063
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:04,960
» I and this might be I mean a point, who

2064
01:24:03,679 --> 01:24:06,400
knows? I'm waiting to hear back from

2065
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:09,280
Excel. Maybe they'll say, "Look, let's

2066
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:11,360
work something out. You guys arrange the

2067
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:12,800
the electricity up there, get it set,

2068
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:15,440
work with our vendors, and we'll make it

2069
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:16,960
happen." I don't know. But holidays are

2070
01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:18,639
coming in hot, so we better figure it

2071
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:21,280
out soon.

2072
01:24:18,639 --> 01:24:22,560
So, but Parnell is is the cities. That's

2073
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:23,520
why all the lights have been up there.

2074
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:25,280
That's why that's never been

2075
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:27,040
problematic. We'll continue to do that,

2076
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:30,719
but it's where do we put the the old

2077
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:33,440
highway lights moving forward?

2078
01:24:30,719 --> 01:24:36,960
Um, weed ordinance. I think you got us a

2079
01:24:33,440 --> 01:24:40,719
nice updated draft to review and then

2080
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:42,800
that's going to the capital or comp plan

2081
01:24:40,719 --> 01:24:46,520
improvement committee, right?

2082
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:46,520
» Yes. So

2083
01:24:47,679 --> 01:24:52,760
let me double check

2084
01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:00,280
it.

2085
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:15,760
Yeah, I don't believe

2086
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:17,760
trade commit or sorry um the the um non

2087
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:18,480
bank committee has reviewed this section

2088
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:22,159
yet.

2089
01:25:18,480 --> 01:25:26,239
» It's out of title nine. Um so we will

2090
01:25:22,159 --> 01:25:29,360
try and get this brought up next time.

2091
01:25:26,239 --> 01:25:32,480
The one in front of you

2092
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:36,880
is pretty well copy pasted straight from

2093
01:25:32,480 --> 01:25:40,880
the basic code with the exceptions of

2094
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:44,239
modifying it from 12 in to 8 in. And

2095
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:47,360
then the penalty section

2096
01:25:44,239 --> 01:25:50,239
is brought in from the draft that was

2097
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:52,320
presented last week as the code

2098
01:25:50,239 --> 01:25:56,239
typically references the penalty section

2099
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:57,760
without doesn't exist.

2100
01:25:56,239 --> 01:26:00,719
I like it. I like that it's going to be

2101
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:03,880
uniform as well. It's a lot of weeds to

2102
01:26:00,719 --> 01:26:03,880
think about.

2103
01:26:04,239 --> 01:26:07,360
But I think I think it'll be nice to

2104
01:26:05,679 --> 01:26:09,920
have an updated weed ordinance. I think

2105
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:12,400
we were due. We were do. I'd be curious

2106
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:15,600
what the comp plan committee has to say

2107
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:17,280
on it as well. Um but I assume we we'll

2108
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:17,679
have this on the next agenda.

2109
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:21,360
» Yes.

2110
01:26:17,679 --> 01:26:23,840
» Okay. We'll keep that rolling.

2111
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:26,480
Anything else on the weed ordinance? and

2112
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:29,520
get a good getting that set up and

2113
01:26:26,480 --> 01:26:32,000
organized wonderfully. Uh we'll move on

2114
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:33,679
to ordinance 200804.

2115
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:35,120
I think Hunter had something he wanted

2116
01:26:33,679 --> 01:26:37,360
on that.

2117
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:40,080
» Yeah. So, I was just reviewing that. Um

2118
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:41,120
it's the ordinance talking about special

2119
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:43,360
assessment

2120
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:45,920
» Guidelines I think is what we can call

2121
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:50,000
them. Um that we set however many years

2122
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:51,840
ago in 2008 I guess as a city. Um, and

2123
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:53,840
as the other street projects come up

2124
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:55,440
earlier this year, I think council was

2125
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:56,080
in agreement. We do not like special

2126
01:26:55,440 --> 01:26:56,960
assessments.

2127
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:59,120
» No, we do not.

2128
01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:01,600
» Um, so I was just looking at that. It's

2129
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:04,400
still on our books. Um, I asked attorney

2130
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:06,159
Jansen to review it and see if that's

2131
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:07,920
something that does need to apply to all

2132
01:27:06,159 --> 01:27:10,159
of our street projects.

2133
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:12,960
» But it sounds like, and keep me honest,

2134
01:27:10,159 --> 01:27:15,120
it's it's a guideline. It's optional. We

2135
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:20,400
don't have to apply that, but it might

2136
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:22,000
be good to amend or repeal it if we're

2137
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:24,560
all in agreement that we don't ever want

2138
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:26,239
to do special assessments to ensure

2139
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:29,199
consistency in the future.

2140
01:27:26,239 --> 01:27:31,120
» Yeah, I know there's always a time for a

2141
01:27:29,199 --> 01:27:33,360
special assessment to remove it from the

2142
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:35,199
books would be troubling, I think, for a

2143
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:37,040
municipality.

2144
01:27:35,199 --> 01:27:38,560
It's good to have in there. Maybe the

2145
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:39,760
language change. I would agree with

2146
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:42,159
that. Maybe we need to look at the

2147
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:44,880
language of it so that it's crystal

2148
01:27:42,159 --> 01:27:48,239
clear that if it's not an assessment

2149
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:49,840
then the the four fifths majority would

2150
01:27:48,239 --> 01:27:50,960
not apply here.

2151
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:52,480
» Yeah.

2152
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:53,199
» Nice to have it worded.

2153
01:27:52,480 --> 01:27:55,280
» Yeah.

2154
01:27:53,199 --> 01:27:56,719
» So it's more obvious it's optional or

2155
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:58,560
only applies to when we want to do

2156
01:27:56,719 --> 01:28:00,639
assessments.

2157
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:02,320
» Would you agree with that, Leo?

2158
01:28:00,639 --> 01:28:04,239
» Yeah. because I know looking through it

2159
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:06,719
it's you can tell just kind of by the

2160
01:28:04,239 --> 01:28:09,120
language that it's definitely aimed at

2161
01:28:06,719 --> 01:28:11,920
these assessments on there, but the

2162
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:14,159
language on it is is kind of

2163
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:16,400
wonky on some certain spots on it where

2164
01:28:14,159 --> 01:28:18,159
I definitely think it could be updated

2165
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:20,080
just to keep it a little bit cleaner

2166
01:28:18,159 --> 01:28:22,560
going forward for if there is a

2167
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:24,719
situation when special assessments.

2168
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:26,400
» Yes. Is there a model ordinance that you

2169
01:28:24,719 --> 01:28:27,760
are familiar with that we might be able

2170
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:30,400
to look at?

2171
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:33,360
» So, I can certainly check. I know we did

2172
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:34,000
recently work on a special assessment.

2173
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:35,920
» Okay.

2174
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:37,440
» Or at an incident. I can certainly

2175
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:39,040
» If you have examples that'd be wonderful

2176
01:28:37,440 --> 01:28:40,080
to bring back. Is that kind of where

2177
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:42,320
you're rolling with it?

2178
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:44,719
» Yeah. I guess either that or have we

2179
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:46,320
seen it in the Minnesota basic code

2180
01:28:44,719 --> 01:28:48,800
» Yet? I know.

2181
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:50,320
» CPIC hasn't reviewed it explicitly, but

2182
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:51,440
I don't know if it's covered in there.

2183
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:53,199
» That's a it's a good point because I

2184
01:28:51,440 --> 01:28:55,360
don't know if it would be covered for

2185
01:28:53,199 --> 01:28:57,760
special assessment because it's hard to

2186
01:28:55,360 --> 01:29:01,840
standardize that for every city. That'd

2187
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:03,360
be a really challenging one. Mhm.

2188
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:06,320
» But yeah, any examples? I think we'd

2189
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:08,000
keep that on our agenda as well. Um,

2190
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:10,639
» And look at what we can do with it. It's

2191
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:12,400
a good catch. Update the language.

2192
01:29:10,639 --> 01:29:14,719
» I think it would be good to visit that

2193
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:17,360
looks like the basic code does not

2194
01:29:14,719 --> 01:29:20,159
mentions special assessments, but does

2195
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:21,920
not ever actually define them. So that

2196
01:29:20,159 --> 01:29:24,159
might be one of those extra things we

2197
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:25,760
want to tack on to the end of it.

2198
01:29:24,159 --> 01:29:28,320
So you can bring that to CIP as well

2199
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:30,159
then probably to discuss that or capital

2200
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:32,800
comprehensive plan implementation

2201
01:29:30,159 --> 01:29:34,719
committee CPIC.

2202
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:35,600
» Perfect. Anything else on that? Good

2203
01:29:34,719 --> 01:29:38,000
sir. No,

2204
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:40,239
» I think that's good. Good catch. All

2205
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:43,440
right, we'll move on to waste management

2206
01:29:40,239 --> 01:29:45,120
donation resolution 2026-34,

2207
01:29:43,440 --> 01:29:46,719
which I think is amazing and I thank

2208
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:48,480
them very much that Waste Management has

2209
01:29:46,719 --> 01:29:51,679
offered to donate the use of 20 garbage

2210
01:29:48,480 --> 01:29:53,520
bins for the city's heritage festival

2211
01:29:51,679 --> 01:29:54,639
and it will assist us in maintaining a

2212
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:56,719
clean, safe environment during the

2213
01:29:54,639 --> 01:30:00,239
Heritage Fest will reduce event related

2214
01:29:56,719 --> 01:30:02,320
operational expenses. Um 20 bins and

2215
01:30:00,239 --> 01:30:04,159
that's that's a huge cost that that

2216
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:07,120
we'll be saving. So I do thank them a

2217
01:30:04,159 --> 01:30:08,719
lot for this if council so chooses. I'

2218
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:11,199
I'd uh make a motion to approve

2219
01:30:08,719 --> 01:30:12,000
resolution 2026-34.

2220
01:30:11,199 --> 01:30:14,400
» I'll second.

2221
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:16,800
» Motion second. Any further discussion?

2222
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:17,600
Discussion. And this will be a roll call

2223
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:18,159
vote.

2224
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:18,719
» Yes.

2225
01:30:18,159 --> 01:30:23,199
» Yes.

2226
01:30:18,719 --> 01:30:24,960
» I'm a yes to absent. That carries

2227
01:30:23,199 --> 01:30:27,120
and we will

2228
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:28,320
» We'll make a motion to

2229
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:29,840
have one more.

2230
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:31,360
» I would kind of like to

2231
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:34,480
» Oh, yes. Thank you.

2232
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:37,360
» Yes. tonnage. Um so the the we discussed

2233
01:30:34,480 --> 01:30:39,679
at the last meeting um for all the rock

2234
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:41,440
over here on on Industrial Park who's

2235
01:30:39,679 --> 01:30:43,440
getting it pushed back. There is a a

2236
01:30:41,440 --> 01:30:45,679
person that reached out to Diane

2237
01:30:43,440 --> 01:30:49,040
interested in

2238
01:30:45,679 --> 01:30:50,480
possibly doing it um for us. May have

2239
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:52,480
somebody lined up to take the rock blah

2240
01:30:50,480 --> 01:30:54,800
blah blah but he's looking at it from a

2241
01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:56,159
tonnage standpoint not a by the yard

2242
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:57,920
standpoint which we originally

2243
01:30:56,159 --> 01:31:01,360
discussed. I looked up what the average

2244
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:04,400
ton removal rate is in Minnesota for

2245
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:07,040
such a job and it was 50 to I think 150.

2246
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:09,600
I'd recommend we we tell them 50 a ton

2247
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:12,480
to remove the rock and have it gone.

2248
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:12,880
» Do we have a ballpark idea how many tons

2249
01:31:12,480 --> 01:31:14,880
are there?

2250
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:16,880
» It's a great question. We could put a

2251
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:18,800
limit on the tonnage too if we wanted

2252
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:21,199
to, but that's going to be a challenging

2253
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:22,560
one is to know exactly what it is

2254
01:31:21,199 --> 01:31:23,520
» And this person would be willing to take

2255
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:24,080
all of it.

2256
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:25,520
» Yes.

2257
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:27,360
» Mhm.

2258
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:29,840
And actually they were looking at some

2259
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:30,320
of the

2260
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:33,360
oh

2261
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:35,760
» Over at Patterson Sand those larger

2262
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:38,400
hills if you will grass

2263
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:40,159
» Of the same type of product where it's

2264
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:41,920
not of any value

2265
01:31:40,159 --> 01:31:44,920
» Would be interested in some of that as

2266
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:44,920
well.

2267
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:48,880
» So I think some of that that limestone I

2268
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:50,480
don't know if that's worth anything. I

2269
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:51,360
know that he's looking at all that old

2270
01:31:50,480 --> 01:31:54,639
rip. Yeah,

2271
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:56,159
» The old stuff. We're keeping the smaller

2272
01:31:54,639 --> 01:31:56,960
» The actual good limestone and

2273
01:31:56,159 --> 01:31:59,120
» Correct.

2274
01:31:56,960 --> 01:32:01,760
» Yeah. So, this would be all the old rip

2275
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:03,520
wrap and and just really from probably

2276
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:07,120
from when they put the spur in two years

2277
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:10,320
ago. So, I don't know if we want to cap

2278
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:11,760
that at a at a certain amount, but he's

2279
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:13,360
willing to enter, but we're going to

2280
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:17,120
just reach out to him and entertain that

2281
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:20,080
idea of 50 if the council so chooses.

2282
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:22,560
I'd like to have a cap. I get I have no

2283
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:24,159
idea what appropriate price is, but I

2284
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:24,880
would like to just see it all taken care

2285
01:32:24,159 --> 01:32:27,360
of.

2286
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:28,960
» I would too. So, if if I think we can

2287
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:30,719
trust our city clerk treasure that if it

2288
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:32,320
exceeds a certain amount or it looks

2289
01:32:30,719 --> 01:32:34,080
looks to be a little bit more than we

2290
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:35,199
anticipated that that she would work

2291
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:38,639
with the vendor and they would reach

2292
01:32:35,199 --> 01:32:40,159
back out to us. I think there's that

2293
01:32:38,639 --> 01:32:42,480
piece of trust. I don't see us ever

2294
01:32:40,159 --> 01:32:45,199
surpassing an astronomical amount there

2295
01:32:42,480 --> 01:32:47,280
if he's doing it by the ton.

2296
01:32:45,199 --> 01:32:49,040
I guess, you know, if you want to put

2297
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:50,639
some kind of number,

2298
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:51,440
» It's a hard one because I'd hate to to

2299
01:32:50,639 --> 01:32:54,320
limit that, but

2300
01:32:51,440 --> 01:32:57,199
» Yeah, I would say not to exceed

2301
01:32:54,320 --> 01:33:00,159
» $5,000.

2302
01:32:57,199 --> 01:33:01,360
That gives you wiggle room. 100 tons.

2303
01:33:00,159 --> 01:33:02,080
100 tons.

2304
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:04,080
» Okay.

2305
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:06,400
» I'll work with him because he probably

2306
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:08,239
can maybe even assess looking at

2307
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:09,280
» Yeah, if he can do that, too.

2308
01:33:08,239 --> 01:33:10,480
» I don't know if we necessarily need a

2309
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:12,000
motion. This is going to get you to at

2310
01:33:10,480 --> 01:33:13,520
least bring it up to them to discuss

2311
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:14,719
because they'll have a meeting. So,

2312
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:16,560
» Okay. I just want to make sure that

2313
01:33:14,719 --> 01:33:18,000
council is okay

2314
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:18,480
» Moving forward

2315
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:19,920
» I think

2316
01:33:18,480 --> 01:33:20,400
» With my conversation tomorrow morning

2317
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:21,440
with him.

2318
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:23,199
» Yeah, he's the only person that's

2319
01:33:21,440 --> 01:33:24,239
reached out so far. So, I really like

2320
01:33:23,199 --> 01:33:27,040
that. So,

2321
01:33:24,239 --> 01:33:28,239
» We're making headway on it. Um Harrison,

2322
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:28,560
you want to do that motion again? You

2323
01:33:28,239 --> 01:33:30,480
did?

2324
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:33,520
» I'll make a motion to adjurnn. Second.

2325
01:33:30,480 --> 01:33:35,280
» Motion second. Any further discussion?

2326
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:38,239
Hearing none. All those in favor say I.

2327
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:41,760
I. Oppos. Same sign. And that carries.

2328
01:33:38,239 --> 01:33:41,760
Meetings adjourned at 8:36