1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,000 Perfect. 2 00:00:04,560 --> 00:00:10,880 » Okay. Like to call to order the Burough Tree Council workshop meeting for 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:15,880 Monday, August 10th, 2026. Uh can we stand for the pledge of 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,880 allegiance, please? 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:24,560 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the 6 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:30,080 republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and 7 00:00:27,519 --> 00:00:32,800 justice for all. May we have a roll call, please? 8 00:00:31,679 --> 00:00:34,320 » Mr. Allen >> here. 9 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:37,200 » Miss Casy >> here. 10 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:41,120 » Miss Gdovic. >> Miss Marterella. 11 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:43,920 » Mr. Panza >> here. 12 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:46,079 » Miss Schwarz >> here. 13 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,600 » Mr. Ray >> here. 14 00:00:46,719 --> 00:00:50,239 » Mayor Shank >> present. 15 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:54,800 » Okay. Before we get into the discussion of the Aken and baseball field in Green 16 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:59,920 Street Park, I'll open it up for custom comments. Anything like 17 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:09,360 We have no public comment. So, Mr. Panza, I will hand it off to you for the 18 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:15,200 discussion of the balls. Uh, thank you and thank you for everyone 19 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:21,680 attending this workshop meeting. The purpose of this meeting is to come to a 20 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:26,320 resolution of what we should do with our two baseball fields, Headlock One and 21 00:01:24,159 --> 00:01:33,200 Headlock Two. For years and years, volunteers have 22 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:39,840 been maintaining those fields. of course with the help of public works and it is 23 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:46,720 getting harder and harder to maintain the fields and the scheduling of the 24 00:01:42,799 --> 00:01:54,159 games is so intense that finally we need to come to a solution to make the fields 25 00:01:50,560 --> 00:02:00,880 better for all of us so that our kids can enjoy continuing playing baseball. 26 00:01:57,439 --> 00:02:06,880 We have spent we have been very meticulous in maintaining and paving our 27 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:13,120 roads where our roads are in such great shape. So why not treat our baseball 28 00:02:10,399 --> 00:02:21,280 fields the same? It is about time that we take our time and come up with a plan 29 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:28,480 so by next year hopefully our kids are playing on a turf field where they're 30 00:02:26,239 --> 00:02:34,879 not worrying about getting there an hour before a game and working to maintain 31 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:39,360 it. So how can we do this? Let's figure it out and get this accomplished 32 00:02:36,959 --> 00:02:44,160 tonight. >> Okay. So because this is a workshop 33 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:49,840 meeting we can have open discussion. So uh members of the audience if you want 34 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:56,319 to uh have a discussion let the writer note that Miss Gdobic here 35 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:59,440 um we don't have the actually we should probably go up to the podium 36 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,000 and >> yeah [clears throat] 37 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:07,920 for the record. >> Okay. 38 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:14,000 » Mr. Manza, do you have any uh supporting evidence or data that you want to share 39 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:20,000 with us to help frame the conversation? >> Yes. Yes. There there was there was 40 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:27,760 originally there are three options. Option number one would be to have come 41 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:36,560 in regrade the field, add additional dirt and make the fields 42 00:03:32,319 --> 00:03:42,879 well again with the dirt using uh the same method that we have used in the 43 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:48,879 past. The cost for both fields would be $60,000. 44 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:56,959 However, we've tried this several times and we it may work for about six months 45 00:03:52,560 --> 00:04:05,040 and we're back to the same situation of problems with drainage, the fields not 46 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:12,959 in good shape. So, option number two would be to replace both fields entirely 47 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:19,040 with turf. That would cost $1.2 $2 million, 48 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:24,320 which I mean I wish we had an extra couple 49 00:04:21,280 --> 00:04:28,240 million dollars laying around, but that Well, wait, no, come to think of it, we 50 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:33,840 do have millions of dollars laying around in that bond issue, but but 51 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:43,160 that's beside the point. Um, option three would be to just replace both 52 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:43,160 infields for about $20ome,000. 53 00:04:43,280 --> 00:04:52,800 I talked with the GAA. They thought this was the best plan. I would love to hear 54 00:04:49,520 --> 00:05:00,160 if they have any additional comments. However, if we replace both infields 55 00:04:56,479 --> 00:05:04,240 with turf, that should be good for years to come. 56 00:05:01,919 --> 00:05:09,840 It's it's like an investment in our infrastructure. 57 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:16,720 And as I said before, we have no qualms about paving a road for $200,000. 58 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:22,400 You know, we could this one year take maybe one less road, get our fields in 59 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:26,880 great shape and it would be for the betterment of 60 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:32,000 the entire community. >> Yeah. I don't know if we have to give up 61 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:37,280 paving roads to the ball field. We can certainly look at ways to budget for 62 00:05:34,639 --> 00:05:42,160 both. Um, you said one I just want to confirm. You said 1.2 million to replace 63 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:46,320 both fields entirely. So that means the outfield and the infield. 64 00:05:45,039 --> 00:05:53,919 » Yes. And then >> and this also includes like like 65 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:59,280 improvements to the this also is a price for the drainage and everything. Unlike 66 00:05:57,039 --> 00:06:03,199 when we've had discussions with Point Park where they're you know they're were 67 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:10,000 separate like they were talking about turfing and drainics 68 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:17,479 this is an entire package you know 1.2 two or 200,000. 69 00:06:13,759 --> 00:06:17,479 » So you said two 70 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:33,440 » 200 252,000 was the um 71 00:06:27,840 --> 00:06:35,520 lowest bid for so far. I mean >> I don't think we put it out the video, 72 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:40,400 have we? >> No. Estim. 73 00:06:37,759 --> 00:06:46,360 » Estimates. Do you mean estimates, not random? 74 00:06:43,039 --> 00:06:46,360 » And how many 75 00:06:47,199 --> 00:06:54,000 » how many bids did we did? How many estimates did we get for uh replacing 76 00:06:52,160 --> 00:07:00,600 both deals? >> Uh we've had two estimates so far 77 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,600 » from each. 78 00:07:01,199 --> 00:07:12,000 Um, we we've had we've had estimates from Astro Turf and I think it's real 79 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:20,599 turf and the lowest the lowest estimates were the um were replacing both fields 80 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:20,599 for approximately $240,000,000. 81 00:07:22,319 --> 00:07:29,840 I don't have them in front of me. I would would ask 82 00:07:27,039 --> 00:07:34,240 if she does have the actual bids in front of her. 83 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:39,639 » Okay. They're just handed to me. Uh 84 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,639 they're estimating 85 00:07:42,639 --> 00:07:45,639 please. 86 00:07:48,560 --> 00:08:00,400 So the estimates from after turf were for the infield only that was 252,000 87 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:05,520 up to 280,000 depending on the thickness of the turf and that was for both 88 00:08:02,479 --> 00:08:11,360 infields. The other estimate for turf for the infield was roughly about 212 89 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:16,960 each, which then included the drainage and all of the other extra items. I do 90 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:21,599 not believe that covers the fencing for the backstock. Those would both still 91 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:28,160 have to be removed and the fences along the dugouts would still have to be 92 00:08:23,599 --> 00:08:36,800 replaced as well. Um the uh dura edge estimate is basically the 93 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:41,919 MLB product of rock, red brick and the modern dirt fields that are being used. 94 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:48,480 The issue that you know Mr. Payne's already expressed is that we've seen our 95 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:54,320 local um burrows do this. Um Dormmont basically spent $18,000 on this dirt. 96 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:58,399 They came in, they fielded it, they put it out there, their oil in field, it was 97 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:03,440 gone in 60 days because they didn't address the drainage issues. Then they 98 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:08,880 had to basically buy the dirt again and put it back on top of everything and 99 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:16,080 another five tons. So, um, you know, there's three different there, but the 100 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:23,519 two turf ones are again 250 to 270 for both infields, and then the other 101 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:28,560 one was 22 each for the infields. The Astro Turf company is the company 102 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:34,320 that Point Park is using for their estimates as well. Did you say each or 103 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:38,720 212 each is the one >> if they do the drainage 104 00:09:35,519 --> 00:09:45,440 » infield with the drainage? Astro turf's estimate was 280 for both 105 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:51,360 » and it I believe there's going to be some type of drainage issue. all of 106 00:09:49,120 --> 00:10:00,320 these modern products that when people were doing this now, you basically grade 107 00:09:55,760 --> 00:10:05,920 the field to lean into the outfield. So the water naturally drains away from 108 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:11,040 home like it is now and it goes into the grass areas so that it actually, you 109 00:10:08,959 --> 00:10:16,240 know, is leveled so that like you know one inch drop and it goes into the grass 110 00:10:13,839 --> 00:10:20,880 areas and that would be for all three products. All three companies do that 111 00:10:18,560 --> 00:10:25,360 same. That's like modern. Just drainage goes into the outfield now where the 112 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:29,760 grass is. And it's that's kind of how you do it. With a turf, you would use 113 00:10:27,279 --> 00:10:35,920 maybe some rollers and like you just roll it off. But the dirt stuff, it's 114 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:40,959 designed to roll into the outfit. A couple questions. Do you think that we 115 00:10:38,399 --> 00:10:46,040 would need independent testing before the turf people come in? Even though the 116 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,040 terrainage 117 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:55,920 I'm not I'm not an engineer. I don't know. I can't 118 00:10:53,920 --> 00:11:02,880 » just how much more maybe >> the thing is right now once they would 119 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:07,440 do that the with the grading you don't have to worry about drainage. It's 120 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:12,720 naturally going to be graded into the outfield. So you're talking about where 121 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:18,160 the water instead of taking all the dirt and removing it and creating the 122 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:22,720 undulation so to speak at like certain areas on the field that water naturally 123 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,800 would just go into the outfield anyway where the grass is and it's going to 124 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:30,519 soak it up. >> Yeah. I mean could be could that 125 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,519 outfield become a swamp? 126 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,959 » Well, not not at Hemlock 2 because we addressed those. 127 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:39,120 » Yeah, I was going to say I already thought about that. That's hemlock 2 is 128 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:42,399 no problem there. Headmlock one. I mean, obviously I think that you're going to 129 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:47,279 get a little bit of a mud spot behind the infield. Um, but those aren't 130 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:53,680 natural areas to where a lot of foot traffic happens as far as specifically 131 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:59,920 to softball, baseball, and then that wouldn't necessarily become an issue 132 00:11:55,839 --> 00:12:04,480 moving forward. Next, next question. This was 133 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:11,040 » regarding drainage. I did have a discussion with uh the engineers. 134 00:12:07,839 --> 00:12:16,800 The amount of excuse [clears throat] me underground installation that has to go 135 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:21,600 for turf um basically any sign synthetic field is 136 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:28,880 significantly more than obviously you would do for a regularly um plain dirt 137 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:37,120 skinned infield. Um there still will need to be some drainage improvement no 138 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:41,040 matter what you do. Um whether you maintain the type of fields 139 00:12:38,959 --> 00:12:45,600 we have now or whether you even do improvements with turf. The thing with 140 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:51,360 turf we'll have to excavate down farther. that has both a like a positive 141 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:57,519 impact on some of the drainage issues in that part 142 00:12:54,079 --> 00:13:03,760 of that is developed to retain more water and let it dissipate over 143 00:12:59,519 --> 00:13:13,920 time. Um, which is good for us because that slows kind of the roll down to the 144 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:18,160 retainage that was put in for heal. Um, the other is if it does create runoff 145 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:22,399 into the other part of the field, you probably want to address some of that to 146 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:29,200 get some of that runoff going somewhere so it didn't turn into um kind of a a 147 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:34,800 deluge in some areas of the field. So, it does have to be that. You probably 148 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:38,160 would not need to do any like uh borings because you're not going to excavate 149 00:13:36,079 --> 00:13:43,200 that far. But you definitely would want the entire field to really be viewed 150 00:13:40,959 --> 00:13:46,959 from where is the water going and where are we going to put it regardless of 151 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:52,320 whether you're going to keep the kind that you have or go with turf. It's just 152 00:13:49,519 --> 00:13:56,720 turf may be a little more intense um as to what will need to be done depending 153 00:13:54,560 --> 00:14:01,040 on the actual environment that's there. I I know they gave estimates and they 154 00:13:58,560 --> 00:14:05,360 are estimates um because they don't know what's under the ground there either 155 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:10,000 that has to be done and so that's where the engineers would be able to step in 156 00:14:07,199 --> 00:14:16,240 and design plans that would be something people could bid on with confidence 157 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:21,120 against each other to know X Y and Z we believe definitely has to be done. 158 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:26,720 » Is that going to be my next question? How much can the turf company do do as 159 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:31,680 compared to somebody else do in regard to the drainage? Can turf company do all 160 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:35,760 the needed drainage? >> It depends on what they were capable of 161 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:40,800 bidding and accomplishing themselves or sub in out as part of their bid process. 162 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:45,920 » But it' all be one bid. They might need subcontractors depending upon the 163 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:52,240 » criteria. But council could choose to do it all as one and enable subcontracting 164 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:57,279 to take place. Yes. to be to two more points to develop yield the floor. Uh 165 00:14:55,360 --> 00:15:03,760 most likely realistically it's going to cost up to 200 my guess is 250,000 a 166 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:09,120 piece. So I think we should just ditch that 250,000 total. I think it's going 167 00:15:06,639 --> 00:15:14,240 to take and I'm I'm for it. I think it's going to take this leaves 212 but once 168 00:15:12,079 --> 00:15:19,279 we get into this drainage I think we're going to be likely for 250 a mill. So I 169 00:15:16,959 --> 00:15:25,360 think we have to get our mind set for 500,000 or more. The second thing would 170 00:15:22,399 --> 00:15:30,399 be once we do the infield we turf the infield say three years from now or five 171 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:34,000 years could we decide the turf the outfields 172 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:38,480 would that be a problem? Could you blend in the infield with turf in the outfield 173 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:43,519 at a later date? I >> I think we we've seen globally is that 174 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:47,440 all little leagues that are doing this now no one's doing that. No one wants 175 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,320 anything to do with turfing the outfields. 176 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:54,399 » South Fyet just put in two brand new fields, brand new turf, brand new 177 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:59,519 fences, all that stuff. You know what they screwed up? They forgot to water 178 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:02,720 and see the outfield. They can't use their fields now for the next couple 179 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:08,399 months. They actually literally have to grow the grass now and they didn't do it 180 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:13,360 properly. We were just there. Um the other uh fields that we've seen in 181 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:19,519 McKe's Rocks, they that was a Pirates Charities and um they just did the 182 00:16:17,519 --> 00:16:23,839 infields only. It's it's it's pretty much a dominant source unless you're one 183 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:29,279 of these places that host tournaments year round. Um I just drove past Cedar 184 00:16:26,959 --> 00:16:33,519 Points complex and Sanduski and a lot of the travel teams go up there. They have 185 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:40,160 full turf fields, but they only have like one or two out of eight. And then 186 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:43,839 the rest are infield only grass outfield morning track rock. 187 00:16:41,839 --> 00:16:47,440 » So we're not cutting any corners. The council won't be cutting any corners by 188 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:53,199 just doing that's >> it's actually a more responsible way to 189 00:16:50,079 --> 00:16:57,199 go in doing it. And it's pretty much the standard from what I've seen from our 190 00:16:55,040 --> 00:17:03,279 locals. Collier's in the process of putting in four or five fields near 191 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:07,679 their burrow building up by Nike site. Um they're doing I think infield only. I 192 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:12,079 don't believe that's the the case. And like I said, I just saw South Bay has 193 00:17:09,199 --> 00:17:20,160 two brand new ones. Turf only infield, grass outfield, and morning track. 194 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:26,000 » And um Mal does have one as well. Um they line their field with the red rock 195 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:30,000 around the turf. So that's where the drainage comes into play. So it's not 196 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:34,240 necessarily like the turf covers everything, but it covers well with the 197 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:40,240 playing surface and then the outlier around it is then to your point with the 198 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:46,240 engineering the drainage system in place because there's a lot new I guess rock 199 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:53,039 clay red brick material that they use that soaks up water or I guess what's 200 00:17:50,640 --> 00:18:00,320 the word permeable without creating a water table. So in that sense that's the 201 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:04,080 again the new modern way to look at it. >> Thank you. 202 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:09,360 » So we have two members of the planning commission here. Is the planning 203 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:15,120 commission reviewed this plan yet? >> Okay. 204 00:18:11,039 --> 00:18:21,520 » All I know is based on what happens with Point Park if the athletics of RIA are 205 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:26,559 able to access that. There was the start of a discussion of do we have too many 206 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:30,559 baseball fields at R tree park? Are we going to convert one of those fields 207 00:18:27,919 --> 00:18:35,840 into something else someday? Basketball court, pickle ball court, whatever. But 208 00:18:32,799 --> 00:18:40,880 that is, you know, a 10year time scale, not an immediate what are we doing about 209 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:44,640 maintenance fields or things. >> And and to that point as well, that 210 00:18:42,799 --> 00:18:49,679 would be something to look into. Obviously, if we do move forward with 211 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:53,520 Point Park, and I know I've been asked and I've given my information about this 212 00:18:51,919 --> 00:18:57,679 in regards to our high school team playing there with, you know, respect to 213 00:18:55,520 --> 00:19:01,440 them doing fields and stuff like that, but we could look into whatever company 214 00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:05,360 they're doing. That obviously might give us a discount moving forward if they 215 00:19:03,679 --> 00:19:09,919 have their if they're going to do the whole turf field there and we can use 216 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:15,440 the same company to do the same things as our fields. There may be a process or 217 00:19:13,039 --> 00:19:19,520 opportunity to get a discount as far as doing all three at the same time. It 218 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:24,400 seems logical, but it could be expensive as well. Thanks, CJ. J, just let the 219 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:30,000 record reflect Jesse Robinson evidence planning commission said that planning 220 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:34,480 commission has reviewed this yet consideration. Also, uh, Mr. hands up. 221 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:40,080 So, uh, this viralist 222 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:43,440 gave me the the quotes that we received and I think I'm trying to make sense of 223 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:48,480 them here. I think we have to correct the record. 224 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:53,760 Mr. P said real turf. I think the name of the company is Sports Turf. 225 00:19:51,039 --> 00:20:01,600 Um, and the other company is AstroTurf that gave us the estimates. 226 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:05,440 And so we have four estimates from Forester. 227 00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:10,480 One for 662,000, the other for 667,000. I believe those 228 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:16,799 would be for the entire field. That's where we're getting the 1.2 millionish. 229 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:19,919 And I also believe Mr. P said that uh to replace both fields, it would be 230 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:26,240 252,000, but it's it looks like based on the 231 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:32,000 estimates, it's about 212 per field. Is that right? 232 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:39,280 » No. The the the one the the the one company it's like 212 per field but the 233 00:20:36,559 --> 00:20:44,960 other company I spoke with the person who gave the estimate he told me that is 234 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:51,840 the complete price for both fields. >> So Astro Turf is 262,000. 235 00:20:49,039 --> 00:20:57,280 Their estimate says soccer field for 17. 236 00:20:53,120 --> 00:21:03,840 » True. True. But but he I I clarified that that would be for both the entire 237 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:07,120 infields, the entire price. >> Well, and then it also said annual 238 00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:12,559 maintenance program includes one maintenance visit per year for eight 239 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:17,120 years for all three fields. So f 240 00:21:14,559 --> 00:21:20,720 it was a little goofy. That's why Ron when I first gave him that, we both 241 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:26,720 identified all those like kind of quirks to that point. The quote came from Dan 242 00:21:24,159 --> 00:21:32,320 and I. And Dan Visser is the head of the soccer. He's our soccer commissioner. So 243 00:21:29,679 --> 00:21:37,200 when he put that in there, it was like I think he just confused the thought 244 00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:44,400 process. We had both little league fields measured and surveyed via height 245 00:21:41,919 --> 00:21:48,880 and fall off. They came and actually used, you know, survey machines and went 246 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:53,200 out six feet, did all that stuff. So that astroturf is Yes. We actually 247 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:58,159 double confirmed that that was both infields for hemlock one and hemlock 2 248 00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:06,000 and that's infields only. And yes, it's 260 280. It depends on the thickness of 249 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:11,280 the turf you use. And that being said, that's the company that did Pit 250 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:15,840 University's full turf field. They did West Virginia University's full turf 251 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:20,799 field. I believe they're on the hook or was asked about quoting for the point 252 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:24,480 far project and they're the ones doing the caller fields as well. 253 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:28,240 » Okay. So, I was I didn't just call some random company. I kind of did some 254 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:32,559 research to make sure like, hey, they've done some work. I can look at what the 255 00:22:30,159 --> 00:22:36,720 work they have done and go that route. But yes, there are some quirks in there. 256 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:42,240 And then we did verbally via a phone call confirm all of that information. 257 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:46,159 » Okay. And so the th So you you're referring to the thickness of the 258 00:22:43,919 --> 00:22:49,039 material that could touch the price. >> The 262 can go up to 280. 259 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:53,760 » Okay. >> It's like 18 more to go from like a 42 260 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:56,000 mm or 42 something to a >> 42 261 00:22:54,559 --> 00:22:59,080 » 50. Yeah. You see that? I just don't know the 262 00:22:59,679 --> 00:23:06,480 for the uh force tur is it the same? Yeah. Two inches. 263 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:12,080 » Yeah. Okay. So we're talking apples and at here 264 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:16,720 pretty much >> and um 265 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:23,600 did they give any indication how long? Yeah, the astro said one month the full 266 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:29,360 month and it's um ready to go. It's not like a waiting period. Um that month 267 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:35,440 included construction, the access ability to get you know them there. Um, 268 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:38,960 again that was Marvel. The guy that I spoke with is, you know, the regional 269 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,760 sales director, you know what I mean? Like he's given out quotes to everyone 270 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:46,320 and all that stuff. Like I said, you know, caller and um I don't know who did 271 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:50,960 South Fields. Um, that was actually going to be my next research project to 272 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:54,960 find out who actually did their fields and see if we could get the cost 273 00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:58,400 associated with what they did just for the infields only and what product they 274 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:03,200 used as well because that's the only other place that I know they're doing 275 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:08,559 new. Going to Mount Lemon, they have that full turf field that it's just all 276 00:24:06,159 --> 00:24:12,559 turf. It's, you know what I mean? It's they actually have a turf outfield with 277 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:16,400 a dirt infield, which I don't get, but that that was that's what they do. So I 278 00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:20,000 couldn't use that to compare or do any like correlation or you know get any 279 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,360 prices off that. >> Do you know if we have to buy any 280 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,600 additional equipment maintain turf field? 281 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:30,159 » I think you just got to get the rollers for the turf when it rains super like 282 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:35,279 saturated and you just rolls off. But for a new product like that it's 283 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:41,600 designed to take on all these thunderstorms and be playable within 284 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:45,120 I mean I'm saying minutes rather than hours. 285 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:48,159 » Yeah. I mean like the ongoing long-term maintenance. 286 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:51,279 » There's not like it's not like that rubber pallet stuff you have to keep 287 00:24:49,679 --> 00:24:55,520 buying. That's what's in there. That's their warranty and that what's goes and 288 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,799 they do the follow-ups. That was actually in there. 289 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:03,520 » Yeah. >> Um anything else besides that? No. Um 290 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:08,320 you're going back to like bases. You might have to buy some bases annually. 291 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:11,679 Um besides that, no. It's like a zero 292 00:25:09,919 --> 00:25:15,520 maintenance issue. That's kind of the whole thing. If you buy it with them, 293 00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:20,400 they give you the warranty. You may want to extend the warranty with them and 294 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:25,919 they will come annually on that aspect. But like that was that's their deal for 295 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:30,960 the first I think it was eight or yeah, something like that. So again, I don't 296 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:34,640 have you got all the information I got. And to just point out when me and Ron 297 00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:40,799 were confirming all those like little quirks, that was just the other things 298 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:45,600 that we had to identify. I know I embed six weeks. So that that's prevent 299 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:48,840 before you leave. Life expectancy from your knowledge 300 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:58,480 his words for 20 to 30 depending on how much you play on it. Being that we only 301 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:01,919 use it for um 302 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:06,480 if you're talking about using both fields, you know, you understand you're 303 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:10,159 dividing it up. If we only did one, then the heavy clay would be dominated on 304 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:14,480 that one field because then the other dirt field would then it takes week it 305 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:18,400 takes days to get these fields right. With these turf fields, you're talking, 306 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:22,080 like I said, half hour to an hour. Like you'll have a thunderstorm at 8 a.m. 307 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:25,840 I've seen tournaments at the Keys Rocks basically start their games at night. 308 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:31,360 Like, hey, we're good to go. Roll it off, get it going. And it's not a injury 309 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:36,000 hazard to set players as well. But the timeline I believe is like 20 to 30 310 00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:40,720 years based on how much you're playing on. If we're on it every day all day, 311 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:43,360 you're in the lower time frame. If you're spacing that out and you're not 312 00:26:42,159 --> 00:26:47,120 we're not going to use them during the winter when the snows come over top of 313 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:50,000 it, stuff like that, you know. Oh, that would might be the other piece of 314 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,799 product that you would have to buy. If you want to use it during the winter, 315 00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:57,039 you have to get the shovels that have like like the ice shovels like to clean 316 00:26:55,679 --> 00:27:02,159 the ice and stuff like that, those big flat ones. But that's the only other 317 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,919 aspect that came up. Excuse me, CJ. 318 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:09,039 » Yeah. >> Um I'm coming remote. Um I know we 319 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:13,039 talked about this before we were discussing Point Park. Um in planning 320 00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:16,480 commission, we talked about fields. As far as the pitching mounds, I know there 321 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:20,080 are different distances, softball, baseball. Is this going to be movable? 322 00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:24,159 Um what is the >> They're portable. So you basically go to 323 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:31,840 a straight portable product. And that's the other benefit of this. the 10U and 324 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:41,039 12U girls, 15U girls, they pitch fast pitch and because I'm a uh hemlock one 325 00:27:36,159 --> 00:27:45,600 is a dirt mound, they don't have the it inhibits them to use that field 326 00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:51,279 properly. They have to use hemlock 2 more often than not because of there's a 327 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:56,000 flat mound. This year we did just actually 328 00:27:52,799 --> 00:28:01,200 get rid of the dirt mound at Aken 2 and that was in uh working with Keystone Oak 329 00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:06,799 School District. They bought a portable mound that is now being housed in our 330 00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:12,320 shed down at a 2. It comes on a trolley so to speak. They come in two, three 331 00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:18,080 pieces and yes that's an additional cost but you're talking like two grand, three 332 00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:20,399 grand and that's pretty much it. Awesome. 333 00:28:19,679 --> 00:28:25,440 Thank you. >> Yeah. So, basically anyone could choose 334 00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:30,080 it up to that point and that that mount would just be easily moved by it maybe 335 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:33,520 take one or two people. I've seen one person do the mount. It's a pain in the 336 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:38,399 butt. It typically is a twoerson job just grabbing the two pieces and um 337 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:44,360 putting in the proper areas. >> Quick question. What month would be 338 00:28:40,159 --> 00:28:44,360 ideal for this car to be done? 339 00:28:45,679 --> 00:28:51,600 » So, we have 19. So, we have a spring season and we have a fall season. And 340 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:56,480 our all-star tournament is Oh, that's not right. 341 00:28:53,760 --> 00:29:02,799 Um, Keystone School District is going to be replacing that shed in the parking 342 00:29:00,159 --> 00:29:07,039 lot next to Aken. I was just talking about this during football reference um 343 00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:10,159 with the superintendent Joe Piac. So, this is something that's on the board 344 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:14,240 for all of us. They're going to be doing that uh I don't know what it's called. 345 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:18,799 It's a shed. That house that's down there. It looks like it's still 346 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:21,440 lapitated. It's just going to leave with gases or something, right? That's coming 347 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,320 up. >> They're fixing that next year. It's on 348 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:29,039 the books and they don't want to mess with our allstar. So, back to your 349 00:29:26,159 --> 00:29:33,919 question. Spring baseball and softball start. I mean, we don't like letting 350 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:38,000 people So, this is the weird part. We don't like letting people on the dirt 351 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:40,960 field until April 1. You want to let it thaw out. You don't want to tear it up 352 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:44,960 in the mud. You make them stick to the outfield and stuff like that. That 353 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:49,200 season goes from April 1st roughly to the first second week of June if teams 354 00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:53,200 make the playoffs. Playoffs is usually the first two weeks of June. Our 355 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:57,919 all-star tournament is one week long. It's the second week of July typically 356 00:29:55,919 --> 00:30:03,279 and then fall ball starts roughly September 1st and goes to October 31st. 357 00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:09,200 So you're basically talking about late July, August would be 358 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:12,320 as far as even when you get the estimates, if they 359 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:16,240 want to do it during the winter, it's cheaper. Guess what? Let them. But if 360 00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:20,240 that you're talking about not interfering and doing it during the 361 00:30:17,679 --> 00:30:26,240 summer, you're looking at late July, August, and then if we even have to move 362 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:29,600 our games to be away in early September. It gives us the opportunity ahead of 363 00:30:27,919 --> 00:30:33,919 time to actually make those adjustments and just fix the schedule according. 364 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:38,159 » I guess we'll just have to figure out what their schedule looks like. 365 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,799 » How late in the fall did you say? I didn't get that. 366 00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:43,039 » I mean, if someone's playing football games after Halloween, they're 367 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:47,360 obnoxious. Okay. >> I'm just going to call them out for 368 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:51,919 that. My in my notes, it's October 15th and I'm done because like that's even 369 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:55,760 when peewee football stops. I'm like if football's not playing, we shouldn't be 370 00:30:53,679 --> 00:30:58,720 playing baseball and softball. And you know, it's honestly if you get a hot 371 00:30:57,039 --> 00:31:04,320 October, great. You get a couple late days in October, awesome. But the fall 372 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:07,520 season should be roughly October 15th, October 21st. 373 00:31:05,679 --> 00:31:10,640 » There's no playoffs or anything in fall. Just there you go. But there's not 374 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,279 there's no way to we don't extend it. There's four. 375 00:31:11,679 --> 00:31:19,679 » It's more like a moving up period. It's a developmental time for kids to um move 376 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:24,720 up to the next level. So going from coach pitch to kid pitch, going from 377 00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:30,880 learning the rules to the new areas like going from little league to pony and 378 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:34,240 then using I'm not going to lie, Wilson. So difference 379 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:38,960 » I think Mr. Garrison wants >> Yeah, I was just going to say we would 380 00:31:36,159 --> 00:31:44,880 if one of these plans uh Pete Garson by the one trainer if one of these plans 381 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:49,600 were to be considered it'll be feasible. We would certainly sacrifice a fall 382 00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:53,760 season. Not for the kids. We would find other fields to use. We would go to 383 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:57,760 other communities for those games, but certainly if the the community and the 384 00:31:55,919 --> 00:32:01,279 council was going to, you know, move forward with something like this, the 385 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:04,799 fall would be ideal. you know, you get through that spring season where 386 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:08,640 registration numbers are high, the community's out and about, uh, get 387 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:14,080 through the all-star tournament, which is always a success, and then we would 388 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:18,880 be happy to make whatever plays we need to make to have the fields worked on 389 00:32:16,399 --> 00:32:25,200 through the whole fall, but, you know, the fall is a, you know, it's an extra 390 00:32:21,919 --> 00:32:31,360 season and the other will be more than happy to help us out, give us we have a 391 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:35,440 that we practice on things like So, you know, that would never be something I 392 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,679 think that would inhibit the progress of a project like this. 393 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,240 » Hey, [clears throat] while we haven't been up there, thanks for that. What 394 00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:44,080 about Wilson Field? What's the condition of that? And what kind of use is 395 00:32:42,159 --> 00:32:48,960 supposed to get as a base? >> I think Wilson I mean it doesn't get 396 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:53,279 much at all. Uh we do use it ball a little bit. Uh it's not in awful 397 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:57,200 conditions, but it's like any of our open fields, you know, after the the 398 00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:02,000 rain depending on, you know, who was up there, kids riding their bikes or 399 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:07,440 whatever. But uh if that was a field that we were to to shift to like a 400 00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:11,440 priority, we would we have equipment up there, we would start doing the same 401 00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:15,360 work that we do for him one and two up there and make it more useful. 402 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:23,200 » I'm wondering this has come up in the past. Should we burn into soccer? Just 403 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:28,080 make the grass turf the grass in >> it's highly dependent on the park 404 00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:33,039 project. Bacon 2 was awful as far as the dirt goes. Working with Wilson right 405 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:39,279 now, the Pony team just starting to use it. I'm basically I to start using it 406 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:46,159 next spring for the Pony team and that is only one team. However, two is very 407 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:51,840 hard to work on compared to where Wilson is easier and volunteer that does the 408 00:33:49,679 --> 00:33:55,039 time and the hours and the effort. I know how to get all those correct. I 409 00:33:53,679 --> 00:34:01,279 literally just run up and painted all the lines. We have the We have nine 410 00:33:57,039 --> 00:34:04,960 bases up there, 65, 80, and 90. We got the mound is still fine. It works fine. 411 00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:09,919 Just need a little bit of like half hour of TLC. The drainage there is excellent 412 00:34:07,919 --> 00:34:16,079 since that new drain got put in along the third base line. It literally it's 413 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:20,879 it's just an unused resource whereas we should actually start doing it. But to 414 00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:25,599 your point, if we got the Point Park project done that it's a turf field, 415 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:30,480 Pony Cole High School were going on that field and then that becomes a yes, this 416 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:34,240 is just sitting here not being used. >> Well, I thought the reason why we did 417 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:37,760 stop using Wilson as baseball field too because ball is going 418 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,839 » and with the trip west bats now like they're just jacking home runs left and 419 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,200 right. >> That season doesn't interfere with the 420 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:47,440 pulling. That season would be over before the knowing 421 00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:51,520 you're talking about Morris. It's over. Like they're done already. 422 00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:55,440 » You're talking high school season. >> Yeah. The whole high school and pony 423 00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:59,760 pony goes into June a little bit, but you're talking Yes. Like and then Well, 424 00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:04,560 the trees grew now. I mean, someone would have to hit up. That's a bomb for 425 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:08,160 a 13 or 14 year old. Like they ain't doing that. 426 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:12,640 » People put you up with 15, 16, 17 year olds on there like the high school team. 427 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:17,560 Then that becomes a reality. But no 14, 15 year olds ball. I've strengthened it 428 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,560 up. 429 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,520 Thanks. >> We appreciate the opportunity to even 430 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:25,599 explore this. >> Well, we appreciate all the time you 431 00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:29,680 guys put us out this passion about it. Thank you. I'm just wondering if this is 432 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:32,960 something that should short that should go to the planning commission for 433 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:37,119 review. Not sure falls into their perview or not. This something that you 434 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:41,599 might want to take under consideration just to make sure. 435 00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:46,560 » Yeah. I mean we when we had this initial discussions regarding the point park 436 00:35:43,359 --> 00:35:50,079 field these fields came up the the reconfiguration thoughts of you know 437 00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:55,280 depending on what happens with the point park field and even with these fields 438 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:58,960 there's a lot of space that we don't utilize in the best way sometimes we 439 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:03,040 have a lot of fields that aren't as used as much as the two that we're talking 440 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:06,480 about and it's something Fanny commission has said is there a different 441 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:11,760 way to utilize that center space of that park um to be more beneficial So yeah, I 442 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:18,400 mean I think planning commission should take a look at this. I think knowing 443 00:36:15,359 --> 00:36:22,240 exactly what we want to do will help them then look at the youth versus the 444 00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:22,880 youth purpose. Do you know what I'm saying? 445 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,359 » Yes. >> I think we have to be a little further 446 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:33,599 along in the process before they can >> start to do other things, 447 00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:36,320 » right? Not to not to delay it too long though, 448 00:36:35,359 --> 00:36:40,400 right? I mean, >> no, I think it'd be great like I think 449 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:43,920 we need to to get to a point. I mean, hopefully we'll we'll have some 450 00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:47,440 understanding with Point Park soon. Um, because I think that is definitely one 451 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:51,599 of the things we talked about was really to make any plans so we know what's 452 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:56,640 happening with that space because that being used by the pony league and the 453 00:36:54,720 --> 00:37:00,960 high school and things like that, it changes a lot of the needs. And so, 454 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:04,240 until we have that piece of the puzzle, it's kind of hard to put the rest 455 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:08,800 together. >> Yeah. I don't I don't think the uh Point 456 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:15,839 Park potential project is related to hemlock 457 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:22,240 films. I think they're independent uh projects. I mean park could be related 458 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:26,400 to Aken somewhat but I think hemlock would proceed with that no matter where 459 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:29,440 the point park stands. >> I agree. This is 460 00:37:27,839 --> 00:37:31,920 » I think it's more the use of the other fields. 461 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:36,240 » What would have anything to do with Papa? Our community exclusively uses 462 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:39,280 Hanlock one and hemlock two and I think that should be a higher priority right 463 00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:43,040 now for this council to consider while we wait for point but I don't think one 464 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:48,960 should be dependent on the other as we are in need of repair infrastructure of 465 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:54,800 these fields as soon as possible. >> Agreed. 466 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:59,760 » Jesse Robinson 24 on the road also with planning commission. My only comments on 467 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:03,839 all this was I'm not sure I'm not as involved. I don't know which fields Aken 468 00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:07,520 wanted to and Hadlock. I don't know where those fields are. I haven't seen a 469 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:12,480 map or constructor drawings of any of this. I was just advocating for not 470 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:18,960 putting turf in if that was something that we were imminently considering 471 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:25,440 doing something else with contingent on point bark. If hemlock 472 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:31,359 is off to the side of that then yeah >> hemlock one and two are the front 473 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:37,520 fields. So close to the parking lot. >> We're closer to the street. So um when 474 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:41,119 you're going down road one go behind that next to the right two. 475 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:45,359 » Okay. >> One and two are down 476 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:50,000 » closer in between point. Okay. So yeah I mean the planning commission is doing 477 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:54,320 anything. It's hey if we could put a new sport thing here what would the 478 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:59,200 community want? So a year from now or two years from now, we've asked people 479 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:04,079 what they want. They answered. We can build ball or basketball or whatever. 480 00:39:01,359 --> 00:39:06,960 People, you know, planning commission. If you guys want to repair these fields, 481 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,680 you guys do not need planning commission's input on that. 482 00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:13,440 » Okay. All right. >> It's baseball field now. It's going to 483 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:17,119 be a baseball field later. Like that's >> I just wanted to make sure that we 484 00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:22,240 weren't leaving planning commission. U So is this something that would um be 485 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,480 Mr. Wilson, would this be in this year's budget or would it be in next year's 486 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:29,599 budget? >> It would at this point have to be in 487 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:35,440 next year's budget. Um, but the planning for it could definitely start now uh for 488 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:41,599 what you wanted to do moving forward. I do think at this point um you know for 489 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:47,680 the as Mr. Kansas had three different options that there are available um to 490 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:53,040 take the estimates that we have here um which are really useful to create a 491 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:57,040 budget but [clears throat] not useful if we want people to figure 492 00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:02,079 out how much you just put in as an estimate when we go to bid. So those 493 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:08,480 individuals have now kind of shown their hands as to what they would charge. So 494 00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:11,119 if you were a competitor, you now know that these different 495 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,760 companies. >> So what you're saying is they probably 496 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:18,320 should have read this. >> Not the first time they've been stated 497 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:22,560 publicly. It's not >> science. 498 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:26,880 » But we really want to have an understanding that you know turf wise 499 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:31,680 that's what we're into it for. Get some more information from the engineers when 500 00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:36,800 it looks at um the other improvements that need to do with underneath the 501 00:40:33,839 --> 00:40:42,000 turf. Um, so we have a kind of ballpark figure, budget figure for how much for 502 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:45,359 the two fields improvements would cost so that during the budget season you can 503 00:40:43,839 --> 00:40:48,640 make that determination. But that doesn't mean that you can't start 504 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:54,400 planning that right now. Just have to come up with the budget. Where are you 505 00:40:50,640 --> 00:41:00,800 going to put that money in allocation? >> But if it's not budgeted till next year, 506 00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:04,800 I mean would get done be until 2028. Maybe this is not a good way to budget. 507 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:08,800 But uh >> but what would get done in the fall of 508 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:12,880 27? Great. 509 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:17,280 » Oh, if it's not in this year's budget, >> it's not in 26 budget. 510 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:21,200 » Yeah, that means we can't do it in 27. You don't budget the money. 511 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:24,640 » No, you can do it in 27 if you budget them. In the fall, you'll do the 27 512 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:30,160 budget. >> Yeah. So if you adopt the 27 budget in 513 00:41:27,839 --> 00:41:34,319 the fall and have the money to do this as part of that budget, then it would 514 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:41,440 take place at 27. >> Anything budgeted for 27 could happen in 515 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:47,200 don't we get a budget in November? >> She'll do November 26 516 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:53,760 27. >> So we'll be okay. 517 00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:58,319 » You're getting confused. We're in 2026, right? Okay. So, you did the 26 budget 518 00:41:56,240 --> 00:42:01,440 last fall. >> We're spending that money now. 519 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:05,839 » Okay. >> So, when you do the 27 budget, we'll 520 00:42:03,359 --> 00:42:10,000 spend it in 27. >> So, if we can put it in Okay, 521 00:42:08,319 --> 00:42:13,839 » we can put in 27. >> This year's budget is 2027 because 522 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:19,119 that's when we pass it. That's why I'm getting confused. 523 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:25,040 » Budget. So, could uh CJ, could we potentially do 524 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:29,280 it or could we do it in the spring of 27? 525 00:42:27,359 --> 00:42:31,839 » I guess this way we're doing it. We're doing it. 526 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,480 We can adjust. >> Absolutely. 527 00:42:32,319 --> 00:42:40,160 » Our seasons we could use like so if you're messing with one and two, we have 528 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:43,839 a one, we have a two, we have Wilson. We're good. 529 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:47,200 » We just have to adjust. And then it might be weird with our gaming schedule 530 00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:50,960 for that season where we're going to play all away games. And then guess 531 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:53,359 what? We got this brand new field and have all these home games late season. 532 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,720 » Yeah. Okay. >> Like that's that's not 533 00:42:54,560 --> 00:43:01,280 » But ideally, if we could get it for you in the spring, you could start your you 534 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:08,000 could have your whole 2027 season on the brand new 535 00:43:05,359 --> 00:43:12,400 supposed to be a mild winter. As the administrator, I just want to 536 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:16,000 caution everyone because it was said earlier this evening was 537 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:21,040 maintenancefree. That probably is true >> for the volunteers who regularly do 538 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:24,560 maintenance, but um >> is there a specialized piece of 539 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:28,480 equipment to remove beads off of it? I would imagine those are not going out 540 00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:32,160 and so there are going to be pieces of equipment that are going to be a cause 541 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:36,640 to the municipality that we don't own now. techniques we may 542 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:42,319 have to learn. Obviously, you don't mow it. Um, that's what that's what we're 543 00:43:39,839 --> 00:43:46,079 used to doing. So, there are things that have to be done that are going to 544 00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:48,480 require specialized equipment in the role. 545 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:53,920 » Yeah, for sure. And the athletic association is in a position that we 546 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:57,280 would certainly financially support, you know, those types of things. You know, 547 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,280 » we just don't know what they cost yet, but we want to build them into the 548 00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:03,920 budget. >> Yeah. Uh and you know we're also in 549 00:44:01,359 --> 00:44:07,359 support of like you know there's grant opportunities or things like that we you 550 00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:11,359 know we're willing to help however we can but if there's equipment or things 551 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:14,960 that are needed to maintain those fields like we certainly would come up with fun 552 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:21,280 stuff. >> If you were pursuing grand opportunities 553 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:29,520 then you are talking like 28 not 27. 27 would have to purely be like 554 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:33,680 tax dollars that are left over. um anything that you wanted to do and 555 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:36,960 pursue a grant, that's going to take a full year just of somebody digesting it. 556 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,720 Yeah. >> And sometimes it takes another year 557 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:44,480 after you get awarded before they even give you the money. So, 558 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:50,480 » you know, if you want it quickly, there is the tax revenue to get to that. If 559 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:54,960 you want it eventually, then the grant revenue would be the stream to pursue 560 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:59,599 and you could even phase it. >> Yeah. As far as the equipment, for sure 561 00:44:56,720 --> 00:45:03,839 we'd be in a position that we would financially support that there was equip 562 00:45:01,839 --> 00:45:07,040 equipment that was needed to help maintain. 563 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:13,040 » Well, I think Mr. Manzer, your committee should uh do a deeper analysis this and 564 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:18,480 come to council with a recommendation proceeding through the budgeting process 565 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:24,960 and further planning. >> Yes. Yes. That's what now if we can get 566 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:30,560 consensus of council that we would like to go with option number two and finding 567 00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:34,880 a way >> hold on your option number two was to 568 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:38,960 replace fields in its entirety. So I think you meant option number three. 569 00:45:37,839 --> 00:45:44,640 » Option number three. >> Yeah. 570 00:45:39,359 --> 00:45:51,119 » Yes. Um I'm sorry. Anyways, I and and you know like I was assured by some of 571 00:45:47,359 --> 00:46:00,000 the reps that they were very good at braiding and like they they it would be 572 00:45:55,119 --> 00:46:06,960 the complete package. So let's let's in deep spell now if we have consensus and 573 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:12,000 council then we can move forward and finalize the plans. I'll meet with the 574 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:17,920 GAA and we'll go we'll work together and and 575 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:23,119 get official. I mean, Mr. Wilson, if you want and I 576 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:27,200 mean, if we ask for another estimate, they're only going to give us another 577 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:35,040 estimate. I mean, I don't know how to get the price like I'm not sure what 578 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:38,160 other than putting it out to bid. I don't know. like 579 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:42,000 » well that is legally what we do have to do. 580 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:46,400 » Yeah. is I mean it's a multi00,000 project that has to be put out to bid 581 00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:52,640 but to have the engineers build an estimate for the total budget all in um 582 00:46:49,839 --> 00:46:59,760 I can take the estimates that you have already um received and have those 583 00:46:56,240 --> 00:47:05,040 worked on to kind of give a an average cost let's say um for the budget along 584 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:09,359 with any additionals like excavation things like that engineering that may 585 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:15,119 have to take place and come up with an all budget and present that as a written 586 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:19,359 thing like document for your subcommittee uh for your next meeting. 587 00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:23,520 Well, >> yeah, 588 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:29,920 » well that >> her next meeting is August 17th, but 589 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:34,800 » we could we could as long as we get the ball rolling and all the council is in 590 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:41,119 agreement, we are going to try to get this done next year. I think everyone 591 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:46,400 will be happy and I think we can now go to these companies and get even more 592 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:55,040 clarification to make sure the bid's going to include 593 00:47:50,800 --> 00:48:04,760 everything like you know drainage fence we we'll get exact figures on and 594 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:04,760 exactly what these bids will include 595 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:14,880 budgeting No, >> see if they actually hold on a second. 596 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:20,000 » You just you can just let the administration handle putting the specs 597 00:48:17,359 --> 00:48:24,880 together. U but you don't need to go to any of the vendors. Um because we want 598 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:28,800 to keep the process real pure. >> Yes, 599 00:48:26,319 --> 00:48:31,599 » we do. We need to get go through the whole public bidding process and 600 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:36,880 formally put out a bid package that people can uh produce submissions to 601 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:43,040 that are then opened at the designated date time and we award to the lowest 602 00:48:39,839 --> 00:48:46,400 responsible bid. Uh so yeah, we we don't need to go back and forth with 603 00:48:44,319 --> 00:48:52,119 individual companies seeking bids at this point. 604 00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:52,119 I think you already 605 00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:57,480 Let's do it then, >> Mr. Wilson. 606 00:48:58,319 --> 00:49:04,079 » I think you already answered my question. Mr. Wilson, [clears throat] I 607 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:10,160 think I got this straight now. For the 2027 budget, 608 00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:15,280 to get this in the 2027 budget, you can put the specs together without having an 609 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:19,359 accepted bid. >> Correct. 610 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:23,040 » Thank you. Yeah. So, it wasn't about that plans. 611 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:26,400 » I'm I'm just going to say a crazy number, but that way if we know if it's 612 00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:30,880 a million dollars, which it's not going to be, and you need to budget a million 613 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:34,240 dollars in 2027, we can put that in there, and then we'll all figure out 614 00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:38,880 together how you're going to get a million dollars, but fortunately, it 615 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:42,559 isn't a million dollars. What's prudent at this point is that we develop the 616 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:47,040 specs, the scope of what we exactly need so that we can put together a bid 617 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:50,720 package that reflects adequately what we want and then that way we'll also be 618 00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:53,440 able to build out a budget accord as well. 619 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:57,040 » Mr. Wilson, how quickly do you think our engineering team could do the specs, 620 00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:03,839 look at the fields and get that to us? >> I cannot answer that question on their 621 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:10,960 behalf, but I'm happy to ask question. Um question for GA about how many um how 622 00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:13,960 many participants do you have in baseball? 623 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:19,880 » South baseball and softball. Yes. 624 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:30,359 » Well, fall is usually lower, right? Yeah, but I'm just 625 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,359 with 75 626 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:37,720 and then 12 you have 17. 627 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:48,960 So almost 100 baseball in the fall. 628 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:52,119 » In the fall and that's in the fall >> is probably 629 00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:59,200 about in the spring. Close to 200. >> 200. Yeah. Okay. 630 00:50:56,240 --> 00:51:04,559 » Great. >> Good. Any other discussion on uh hemlock 631 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,880 one and two? >> Good. 632 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:12,240 » Go ahead. >> I wanted to throw one idea out. Um and I 633 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:16,880 don't even know Ron and even Mr. Wilson this even feasible. You mentioned grants 634 00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:22,079 would have to be further out. Would there be the possibility that we could 635 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:26,880 still put it in the budget for 2027 um and have that option but maybe start 636 00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:30,400 the process for applying for grants and see if there's or just researching and 637 00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:36,240 seeing if there are grants out there that could make it a lot cheaper 638 00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:39,920 » is there do do them in do it in the spring of 2018 so we would skip next 639 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:45,200 year but we'd have the money sitting there so that we could do it early in 28 640 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:47,920 if there was grant funding then we maybe have to spend as much it was just an 641 00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:50,800 idea that came into my head. I don't know if that's still not enough time for 642 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,520 grants. Maybe >> that's you'd still have to think of 643 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:56,640 phasing it. >> Yeah. 644 00:51:54,240 --> 00:52:01,920 » So, you'd have to do one field one year. The other field you wouldn't be able to 645 00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:07,200 begin anything with it until after the not only bid was awarded but depending 646 00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:10,160 sorry after the grant was awarded but depending on the grant until it was 647 00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:13,760 actually released. >> Yeah. 648 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:18,160 » So, it depends on the type of grant. So again, if you get awarded let's say this 649 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:22,800 year and it doesn't get released till November of next year, you can't even 650 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,599 get anything till after that sometimes that you need. 651 00:52:23,359 --> 00:52:26,559 » Yeah. >> And I understand the timely and 652 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:35,240 favorable response. Yes. You would be held limbo for a year and a half only to 653 00:52:29,359 --> 00:52:35,240 get response or less money than you. 654 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:46,880 » Any more? >> Okay. Republic state monarch to East 655 00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:51,200 Mill Avenue. Um, first off, Mr. Mayor, your discussion 656 00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:58,079 about like, you know, apples and oranges between Pemlock and Point Park. Point 657 00:52:55,280 --> 00:53:04,000 Park seems to be getting held up to some extent with their plans. I see it as 658 00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:09,680 that could be a learning curve. Let them go through with their plans or see what 659 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:13,920 we need to do. On a different note, it seems like you 660 00:53:12,319 --> 00:53:17,200 guys already have your mind made up that this is going to be done. But the the 661 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:23,520 biggest problem with those fields over there is drain. It's never been 662 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:28,079 addressed and it's it's not all that complicated. If you look after rain, the 663 00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:31,880 patterns of the water across the fields, there's no gutters between 664 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:39,839 the the arc drains that they have at him too 665 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:43,680 or above the elevation of the asphalt and there is no curve. So you're getting 666 00:53:41,839 --> 00:53:48,559 the water run off. It's coming down past the bleachers going straight through 667 00:53:45,839 --> 00:53:53,359 first base through the pitcher's mind to third base. the other fields understand 668 00:53:51,359 --> 00:53:58,200 CJ there's few of the coaches over here do 669 00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,200 a lot of work 670 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:07,359 this almost seems like it's too old it's less work there I could go off on things 671 00:54:03,839 --> 00:54:11,920 that aren't done over there and and I've offered my time prior to the season 672 00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:15,680 starting going and addressing all the coaches when they were over there to 673 00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:19,920 give tips on how to do certain some of the things not dragging the miles done a 674 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:26,880 great get them to not do that. But there is a 675 00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:31,520 lot of work created over there that uh could be handled after games. A 676 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:36,960 lot of the rake and things like that. When I was spent 15 years over there 677 00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:41,440 coaching, we had a rake and then we moved up to hand drags. We didn't have 678 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:45,520 carts and all this other stuff. You can't chicken scratch. You have to fill 679 00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:48,960 a hole in. I don't know if this is going to be a 680 00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:55,359 crush for people to lean on if it's a wise investment. I'm not saying I mean 681 00:54:50,720 --> 00:55:03,359 it's it's great. It'd be great. that um saying about giving up roads 682 00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:10,720 that's I I don't know that the public has a whole lot of information on this 683 00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:16,960 father for the tax dollars to go but there are simple simpler answers 684 00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:21,839 that could address some of the concerns water erosion so that 685 00:55:19,839 --> 00:55:25,760 aren't taken care of I do believe we're in a different situation now where 686 00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:32,640 things can move up. Never got couldn't get dirt 687 00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:35,359 to put on eight and two previously. Doesn't matter. There's 3T of fall. 688 00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:40,559 Whatever you put on there is going to wash down the sewer. You own that 689 00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:45,119 tension block. There's drainage issues with that field. 690 00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:50,559 Um for your for your playoffs, then those 691 00:55:47,839 --> 00:55:54,960 fields look pretty good. We address some of the stuff. 692 00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:59,119 I'm over there a lot doing it. you know that CJ 693 00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:04,720 um I don't know I don't know if we need to 694 00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:07,960 park there's other issues be addressed thank you 695 00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:20,640 public comment doesn't have to be related to the ball fields 696 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:24,799 okay right 697 00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:32,559 hands I I have nothing further on the ball 698 00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:39,200 fields. Um I I believe it do we have to make an amendment to the agenda to vote 699 00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:46,640 on Mr. Wilson had asked for an amendment to this agenda 700 00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:52,160 to vote on um the young topic. Uh 701 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:55,280 » yeah, I don't think we do the agenda. I think that's more of an administrative 702 00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:59,839 director of the council. >> Okay. 703 00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:04,640 Do you want to do a sentence? >> Yes. The Char West Council of 704 00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:13,319 Governments was requested by Burough Greenree to apply for grant 705 00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:13,319 uh the county CD53.11.8 706 00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:22,000 8 um in order to um 707 00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:31,359 administer and facilitate the demolition of 358 Mansfield Road. And the uh CO did 708 00:57:27,839 --> 00:57:38,559 put that out for bid and received two bids. The low bidder was $12,85 709 00:57:35,359 --> 00:57:44,880 which is a company called JR Mor uh Contracting Incorporated Mor I would 710 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:51,760 say. And so, um, what I'm requesting is consent from councel to send a letter, 711 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:58,319 um, to COG letting them know that, uh, the bureau has found that the bid is, 712 00:57:55,280 --> 00:58:05,599 u acceptable and to request that COG initiate contract to execution 713 00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:11,280 um, as soon as feasible so that property can be. 714 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:16,799 I believe in your email we said the came lower than expected 715 00:58:13,359 --> 00:58:21,799 of this project. That is correct. Okay. So beyond below definitely 716 00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:33,119 so with consent >> which I'm sure I'm sure our fields will 717 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:40,520 come in much lower than expected all so we can put them on 718 00:58:35,839 --> 00:58:40,520 » they'll be just shy of the minimus but 719 00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:49,440 » all right do I have a motion >> it would just be a direct that council 720 00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:52,440 would authorize uh the manager to report. 721 00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:59,359 » It would be a kind of um >> recommendation. 722 00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:05,920 » Yeah. Direct. >> Yeah. So the president and council would 723 00:59:03,359 --> 00:59:10,720 say unless there's an objective that should go ahead and do that. So 724 00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:16,799 basically we're agreeing and if someone said no. 725 00:59:13,359 --> 00:59:24,160 Yeah. I can't understand. >> So what Mr. What specifically do I need 726 00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:29,359 to say? You just authorize Mr. We do make a motion. So M I 727 00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:37,240 authorize you to move forward with reaching out to and moving forward with 728 00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:37,240 I shall do so. Great. 729 00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:46,480 » Okay. Mr. Panza. >> Yes. Would 730 00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:50,160 you like to make a motion to adjurnn? That's you have done over the past 20 731 00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:56,119 some years. >> Yes. I I would like to make a motion we 732 00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:56,119 adjourn this meeting.