[0:00] Perfect.
[0:04] » Okay. Like to call to order the Burough
Tree Council workshop meeting for
[0:08] Monday, August 10th, 2026.
Uh can we stand for the pledge of
[0:12] allegiance, please?
[0:16] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
[0:21] republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[0:27] justice for all.
May we have a roll call, please?
[0:31] » Mr. Allen
>> here.
[0:33] » Miss Casy
>> here.
[0:35] » Miss Gdovic.
>> Miss Marterella.
[0:39] » Mr. Panza
>> here.
[0:41] » Miss Schwarz
>> here.
[0:45] » Mr. Ray
>> here.
[0:46] » Mayor Shank
>> present.
[0:48] » Okay. Before we get into the discussion
of the Aken and baseball field in Green
[0:52] Street Park, I'll open it up for custom
comments. Anything like
[1:02] We have no public comment. So, Mr.
Panza, I will hand it off to you for the
[1:06] discussion of the balls.
Uh, thank you and thank you for everyone
[1:12] attending this workshop meeting. The
purpose of this meeting is to come to a
[1:17] resolution of what we should do with our
two baseball fields, Headlock One and
[1:24] Headlock Two.
For years and years, volunteers have
[1:29] been maintaining those fields. of course
with the help of public works and it is
[1:37] getting harder and harder to maintain
the fields and the scheduling of the
[1:42] games is so intense that finally we need
to come to a solution to make the fields
[1:50] better for all of us so that our kids
can enjoy continuing playing baseball.
[1:57] We have spent we have been very
meticulous in maintaining and paving our
[2:03] roads where our roads are in such great
shape. So why not treat our baseball
[2:10] fields the same? It is about time that
we take our time and come up with a plan
[2:16] so by next year hopefully our kids are
playing on a turf field where they're
[2:26] not worrying about getting there an hour
before a game and working to maintain
[2:31] it. So how can we do this? Let's figure
it out and get this accomplished
[2:36] tonight.
>> Okay. So because this is a workshop
[2:41] meeting we can have open discussion. So
uh members of the audience if you want
[2:46] to uh have a discussion let the writer
note that Miss Gdobic here
[2:53] um we don't have the actually we should
probably go up to the podium
[2:58] and
>> yeah [clears throat]
[3:01] for the record.
>> Okay.
[3:04] » Mr. Manza, do you have any uh supporting
evidence or data that you want to share
[3:09] with us to help frame the conversation?
>> Yes. Yes. There there was there was
[3:17] originally there are three options.
Option number one would be to have come
[3:24] in regrade the field, add additional
dirt and make the fields
[3:32] well again with the dirt using uh the
same method that we have used in the
[3:38] past. The cost for both fields would be
$60,000.
[3:45] However, we've tried this several times
and we it may work for about six months
[3:52] and we're back to the same situation of
problems with drainage, the fields not
[4:00] in good shape. So, option number two
would be to replace both fields entirely
[4:10] with turf.
That would cost $1.2 $2 million,
[4:17] which
I mean I wish we had an extra couple
[4:21] million dollars laying around, but that
Well, wait, no, come to think of it, we
[4:26] do have millions of dollars laying
around in that bond issue, but but
[4:30] that's beside the point. Um, option
three would be to just replace both
[4:38] infields for about $20ome,000.
[4:43] I talked with the GAA. They thought this
was the best plan. I would love to hear
[4:49] if they have any additional comments.
However, if we replace both infields
[4:56] with turf, that should be good for years
to come.
[5:01] It's it's like an investment in our
infrastructure.
[5:06] And as I said before, we have no qualms
about paving a road for $200,000.
[5:13] You know, we could this one year take
maybe one less road, get our fields in
[5:20] great shape
and it would be for the betterment of
[5:25] the entire community.
>> Yeah. I don't know if we have to give up
[5:28] paving roads to the ball field. We can
certainly look at ways to budget for
[5:34] both. Um, you said one I just want to
confirm. You said 1.2 million to replace
[5:39] both fields entirely. So that means the
outfield and the infield.
[5:45] » Yes. And then
>> and this also includes like like
[5:49] improvements to the this also is a price
for the drainage and everything. Unlike
[5:57] when we've had discussions with Point
Park where they're you know they're were
[6:01] separate like they were talking about
turfing and drainics
[6:06] this is an entire package
you know 1.2 two or 200,000.
[6:13] » So you said two
[6:21] » 200 252,000
was the um
[6:27] lowest bid for so far. I mean
>> I don't think we put it out the video,
[6:34] have we?
>> No. Estim.
[6:37] » Estimates. Do you mean estimates, not
random?
[6:43] » And how many
[6:47] » how many bids did we did? How many
estimates did we get for uh replacing
[6:52] both deals?
>> Uh we've had two estimates so far
[6:57] » from each.
[7:01] Um, we we've had we've had estimates
from Astro Turf and I think it's real
[7:07] turf and the lowest the lowest estimates
were the um were replacing both fields
[7:16] for approximately $240,000,000.
[7:22] I don't have them in front of me. I
would would ask
[7:27] if she does have the actual bids in
front of her.
[7:30] » Okay. They're just handed to me.
Uh
[7:36] they're estimating
[7:42] please.
[7:48] So the estimates from after turf were
for the infield only that was 252,000
[7:57] up to 280,000 depending on the thickness
of the turf and that was for both
[8:02] infields. The other estimate for turf
for the infield was roughly about 212
[8:08] each, which then included the drainage
and all of the other extra items. I do
[8:14] not believe that covers the fencing for
the backstock. Those would both still
[8:19] have to be removed and the fences along
the dugouts would still have to be
[8:23] replaced as well. Um the
uh dura edge estimate is basically the
[8:31] MLB product of rock, red brick and the
modern dirt fields that are being used.
[8:39] The issue that you know Mr. Payne's
already expressed is that we've seen our
[8:44] local um burrows do this. Um Dormmont
basically spent $18,000 on this dirt.
[8:51] They came in, they fielded it, they put
it out there, their oil in field, it was
[8:56] gone in 60 days because they didn't
address the drainage issues. Then they
[9:00] had to basically buy the dirt again and
put it back on top of everything and
[9:05] another five tons. So, um, you know,
there's three different there, but the
[9:11] two turf ones are again 250 to 270
for both infields, and then the other
[9:18] one was 22 each for the infields.
The Astro Turf company is the company
[9:26] that Point Park is using for their
estimates as well. Did you say each or
[9:32] 212 each is the one
>> if they do the drainage
[9:35] » infield with the drainage? Astro turf's
estimate was 280 for both
[9:42] » and it I believe there's going to be
some type of drainage issue. all of
[9:49] these modern products that when people
were doing this now, you basically grade
[9:55] the field to lean into the outfield. So
the water naturally drains away from
[10:03] home like it is now and it goes into the
grass areas so that it actually, you
[10:08] know, is leveled so that like you know
one inch drop and it goes into the grass
[10:13] areas and that would be for all three
products. All three companies do that
[10:18] same. That's like modern. Just drainage
goes into the outfield now where the
[10:22] grass is. And it's that's kind of how
you do it. With a turf, you would use
[10:27] maybe some rollers and like you just
roll it off. But the dirt stuff, it's
[10:32] designed to roll into the outfit. A
couple questions. Do you think that we
[10:38] would need independent testing before
the turf people come in? Even though the
[10:43] terrainage
[10:50] I'm not I'm not an engineer. I don't
know. I can't
[10:53] » just how much more maybe
>> the thing is right now once they would
[10:58] do that the with the grading you don't
have to worry about drainage. It's
[11:05] naturally going to be graded into the
outfield. So you're talking about where
[11:10] the water instead of taking all the dirt
and removing it and creating the
[11:15] undulation so to speak at like certain
areas on the field that water naturally
[11:21] would just go into the outfield anyway
where the grass is and it's going to
[11:24] soak it up.
>> Yeah. I mean could be could that
[11:26] outfield become a swamp?
[11:30] » Well, not not at Hemlock 2 because we
addressed those.
[11:33] » Yeah, I was going to say I already
thought about that. That's hemlock 2 is
[11:36] no problem there. Headmlock one. I mean,
obviously I think that you're going to
[11:40] get a little bit of a mud spot behind
the infield. Um, but those aren't
[11:45] natural areas to where a lot of foot
traffic happens as far as specifically
[11:50] to softball, baseball, and then that
wouldn't necessarily become an issue
[11:55] moving forward. Next, next question.
This was
[12:02] » regarding drainage. I did have a
discussion with uh the engineers.
[12:07] The amount of excuse [clears throat] me
underground installation that has to go
[12:13] for turf um
basically any sign synthetic field is
[12:19] significantly more than obviously you
would do for a regularly um plain dirt
[12:24] skinned infield. Um there still will
need to be some drainage improvement no
[12:32] matter what you do. Um
whether you maintain the type of fields
[12:38] we have now or whether you even do
improvements with turf. The thing with
[12:43] turf we'll have to excavate down
farther. that has both a like a positive
[12:49] impact on
some of the drainage issues in that part
[12:54] of that is developed to retain
more water and let it dissipate over
[12:59] time. Um, which is good for us because
that slows kind of the roll down to the
[13:08] retainage that was put in for heal. Um,
the other is if it does create runoff
[13:16] into the other part of the field, you
probably want to address some of that to
[13:20] get some of that runoff going somewhere
so it didn't turn into um kind of a a
[13:26] deluge in some areas of the field. So,
it does have to be that. You probably
[13:31] would not need to do any like uh borings
because you're not going to excavate
[13:36] that far. But you definitely would want
the entire field to really be viewed
[13:40] from where is the water going and where
are we going to put it regardless of
[13:45] whether you're going to keep the kind
that you have or go with turf. It's just
[13:49] turf may be a little more intense um as
to what will need to be done depending
[13:54] on the actual environment that's there.
I I know they gave estimates and they
[13:58] are estimates um because they don't know
what's under the ground there either
[14:02] that has to be done and so that's where
the engineers would be able to step in
[14:07] and design plans that would be something
people could bid on with confidence
[14:13] against each other to know X Y and Z we
believe definitely has to be done.
[14:18] » Is that going to be my next question?
How much can the turf company do do as
[14:24] compared to somebody else do in regard
to the drainage? Can turf company do all
[14:29] the needed drainage?
>> It depends on what they were capable of
[14:33] bidding and accomplishing themselves or
sub in out as part of their bid process.
[14:38] » But it' all be one bid. They might need
subcontractors depending upon the
[14:43] » criteria. But council could choose to do
it all as one and enable subcontracting
[14:48] to take place. Yes. to be to two more
points to develop yield the floor. Uh
[14:55] most likely realistically it's going to
cost up to 200 my guess is 250,000 a
[15:00] piece. So I think we should just ditch
that 250,000 total. I think it's going
[15:06] to take and I'm I'm for it. I think it's
going to take this leaves 212 but once
[15:12] we get into this drainage I think we're
going to be likely for 250 a mill. So I
[15:16] think we have to get our mind set for
500,000 or more. The second thing would
[15:22] be once we do the infield we turf the
infield say three years from now or five
[15:28] years could we decide the turf the
outfields
[15:32] would that be a problem? Could you blend
in the infield with turf in the outfield
[15:36] at a later date? I
>> I think we we've seen globally is that
[15:42] all little leagues that are doing this
now no one's doing that. No one wants
[15:46] anything to do with turfing the
outfields.
[15:48] » South Fyet just put in two brand new
fields, brand new turf, brand new
[15:52] fences, all that stuff. You know what
they screwed up? They forgot to water
[15:56] and see the outfield. They can't use
their fields now for the next couple
[16:01] months. They actually literally have to
grow the grass now and they didn't do it
[16:04] properly. We were just there. Um the
other uh fields that we've seen in
[16:11] McKe's Rocks, they that was a Pirates
Charities and um they just did the
[16:17] infields only. It's it's it's pretty
much a dominant source unless you're one
[16:21] of these places that host tournaments
year round. Um I just drove past Cedar
[16:26] Points complex and Sanduski and a lot of
the travel teams go up there. They have
[16:31] full turf fields, but they only have
like one or two out of eight. And then
[16:36] the rest are infield only grass outfield
morning track rock.
[16:41] » So we're not cutting any corners. The
council won't be cutting any corners by
[16:45] just doing that's
>> it's actually a more responsible way to
[16:50] go in doing it. And it's pretty much the
standard from what I've seen from our
[16:55] locals. Collier's in the process of
putting in four or five fields near
[16:59] their burrow building up by Nike site.
Um they're doing I think infield only. I
[17:06] don't believe that's the the case. And
like I said, I just saw South Bay has
[17:09] two brand new ones. Turf only infield,
grass outfield, and morning track.
[17:15] » And um Mal does have one as well. Um
they line their field with the red rock
[17:23] around the turf. So that's where the
drainage comes into play. So it's not
[17:28] necessarily like the turf covers
everything, but it covers well with the
[17:31] playing surface and then the outlier
around it is then to your point with the
[17:36] engineering the drainage system in place
because there's a lot new I guess rock
[17:43] clay red brick material that they use
that soaks up water or I guess what's
[17:50] the word permeable without creating a
water table. So in that sense that's the
[17:56] again the new modern way to look at it.
>> Thank you.
[18:02] » So we have two members of the planning
commission here. Is the planning
[18:05] commission reviewed this plan yet?
>> Okay.
[18:11] » All I know is based on what happens with
Point Park if the athletics of RIA are
[18:18] able to access that. There was the start
of a discussion of do we have too many
[18:23] baseball fields at R tree park? Are we
going to convert one of those fields
[18:27] into something else someday? Basketball
court, pickle ball court, whatever. But
[18:32] that is, you know, a 10year time scale,
not an immediate what are we doing about
[18:37] maintenance fields or things.
>> And and to that point as well, that
[18:42] would be something to look into.
Obviously, if we do move forward with
[18:46] Point Park, and I know I've been asked
and I've given my information about this
[18:51] in regards to our high school team
playing there with, you know, respect to
[18:55] them doing fields and stuff like that,
but we could look into whatever company
[18:59] they're doing. That obviously might give
us a discount moving forward if they
[19:03] have their if they're going to do the
whole turf field there and we can use
[19:08] the same company to do the same things
as our fields. There may be a process or
[19:13] opportunity to get a discount as far as
doing all three at the same time. It
[19:17] seems logical, but it could be expensive
as well. Thanks, CJ. J, just let the
[19:22] record reflect Jesse Robinson evidence
planning commission said that planning
[19:26] commission has reviewed this yet
consideration. Also, uh, Mr. hands up.
[19:32] So,
uh, this viralist
[19:37] gave me the the quotes that we received
and I think I'm trying to make sense of
[19:41] them here.
I think we have to correct the record.
[19:46] Mr. P said real turf. I think the name
of the company is Sports Turf.
[19:51] Um, and the other company is AstroTurf
that gave us the estimates.
[19:56] And so we have four estimates from
Forester.
[20:03] One for 662,000,
the other for 667,000. I believe those
[20:08] would be for the entire field. That's
where we're getting the 1.2 millionish.
[20:13] And I also believe Mr. P said that uh to
replace both fields, it would be
[20:18] 252,000,
but it's it looks like based on the
[20:22] estimates, it's about 212 per field.
Is that right?
[20:28] » No. The the the one the the the one
company it's like 212 per field but the
[20:36] other company I spoke with the person
who gave the estimate he told me that is
[20:42] the complete price for both fields.
>> So Astro Turf is 262,000.
[20:49] Their estimate says soccer field
for 17.
[20:53] » True. True. But but he I I clarified
that that would be for both the entire
[21:00] infields, the entire price.
>> Well, and then it also said annual
[21:05] maintenance program includes one
maintenance visit per year for eight
[21:08] years for all three fields. So
f
[21:14] it was a little goofy. That's why Ron
when I first gave him that, we both
[21:18] identified all those like kind of quirks
to that point. The quote came from Dan
[21:24] and I. And Dan Visser is the head of the
soccer. He's our soccer commissioner. So
[21:29] when he put that in there, it was like I
think he just confused the thought
[21:35] process. We had both little league
fields measured and surveyed via height
[21:41] and fall off. They came and actually
used, you know, survey machines and went
[21:46] out six feet, did all that stuff. So
that astroturf is Yes. We actually
[21:51] double confirmed that that was both
infields for hemlock one and hemlock 2
[21:56] and that's infields only. And yes, it's
260 280. It depends on the thickness of
[22:02] the turf you use. And that being said,
that's the company that did Pit
[22:08] University's full turf field. They did
West Virginia University's full turf
[22:13] field. I believe they're on the hook or
was asked about quoting for the point
[22:18] far project and they're the ones doing
the caller fields as well.
[22:22] » Okay. So, I was I didn't just call some
random company. I kind of did some
[22:26] research to make sure like, hey, they've
done some work. I can look at what the
[22:30] work they have done and go that route.
But yes, there are some quirks in there.
[22:34] And then we did verbally via a phone
call confirm all of that information.
[22:39] » Okay. And so the th So you you're
referring to the thickness of the
[22:43] material that could touch the price.
>> The 262 can go up to 280.
[22:48] » Okay.
>> It's like 18 more to go from like a 42
[22:51] mm or 42 something to a
>> 42
[22:54] » 50. Yeah. You see that? I just don't
know the
[22:59] for the uh force tur is it the same?
Yeah. Two inches.
[23:04] » Yeah. Okay.
So we're talking apples and at here
[23:08] pretty much
>> and um
[23:14] did they give any indication how long?
Yeah, the astro said one month the full
[23:19] month and it's um ready to go. It's not
like a waiting period. Um that month
[23:26] included construction, the access
ability to get you know them there. Um,
[23:33] again that was Marvel. The guy that I
spoke with is, you know, the regional
[23:37] sales director, you know what I mean?
Like he's given out quotes to everyone
[23:40] and all that stuff. Like I said, you
know, caller and um I don't know who did
[23:44] South Fields. Um, that was actually
going to be my next research project to
[23:48] find out who actually did their fields
and see if we could get the cost
[23:53] associated with what they did just for
the infields only and what product they
[23:56] used as well because that's the only
other place that I know they're doing
[24:00] new. Going to Mount Lemon, they have
that full turf field that it's just all
[24:06] turf. It's, you know what I mean? It's
they actually have a turf outfield with
[24:10] a dirt infield, which I don't get, but
that that was that's what they do. So I
[24:14] couldn't use that to compare or do any
like correlation or you know get any
[24:19] prices off that.
>> Do you know if we have to buy any
[24:21] additional equipment maintain turf
field?
[24:24] » I think you just got to get the rollers
for the turf when it rains super like
[24:28] saturated and you just rolls off. But
for a new product like that it's
[24:32] designed to take on all these
thunderstorms and be playable within
[24:39] I mean I'm saying minutes rather than
hours.
[24:42] » Yeah. I mean like the ongoing
long-term maintenance.
[24:46] » There's not like it's not like that
rubber pallet stuff you have to keep
[24:49] buying. That's what's in there. That's
their warranty and that what's goes and
[24:53] they do the follow-ups. That was
actually in there.
[24:56] » Yeah.
>> Um anything else besides that? No. Um
[25:01] you're going back to like bases. You
might have to buy some bases annually.
[25:06] Um
besides that, no. It's like a zero
[25:09] maintenance issue. That's kind of the
whole thing. If you buy it with them,
[25:13] they give you the warranty. You may want
to extend the warranty with them and
[25:18] they will come annually on that aspect.
But like that was that's their deal for
[25:22] the first I think it was eight or yeah,
something like that. So again, I don't
[25:27] have you got all the information I got.
And to just point out when me and Ron
[25:33] were confirming all those like little
quirks, that was just the other things
[25:36] that we had to identify. I know I embed
six weeks. So that that's prevent
[25:43] before you leave. Life expectancy from
your knowledge
[25:49] his words for 20 to 30 depending on how
much you play on it. Being that we only
[25:56] use it for
um
[26:00] if you're talking about using both
fields, you know, you understand you're
[26:03] dividing it up. If we only did one, then
the heavy clay would be dominated on
[26:08] that one field because then the other
dirt field would then it takes week it
[26:12] takes days to get these fields right.
With these turf fields, you're talking,
[26:16] like I said, half hour to an hour. Like
you'll have a thunderstorm at 8 a.m.
[26:20] I've seen tournaments at the Keys Rocks
basically start their games at night.
[26:24] Like, hey, we're good to go. Roll it
off, get it going. And it's not a injury
[26:28] hazard to set players as well. But the
timeline I believe is like 20 to 30
[26:33] years based on how much you're playing
on. If we're on it every day all day,
[26:38] you're in the lower time frame. If
you're spacing that out and you're not
[26:42] we're not going to use them during the
winter when the snows come over top of
[26:45] it, stuff like that, you know. Oh, that
would might be the other piece of
[26:48] product that you would have to buy. If
you want to use it during the winter,
[26:51] you have to get the shovels that have
like like the ice shovels like to clean
[26:55] the ice and stuff like that, those big
flat ones. But that's the only other
[26:58] aspect that came up. Excuse
me, CJ.
[27:03] » Yeah.
>> Um I'm coming remote. Um I know we
[27:07] talked about this before we were
discussing Point Park. Um in planning
[27:11] commission, we talked about fields. As
far as the pitching mounds, I know there
[27:14] are different distances, softball,
baseball. Is this going to be movable?
[27:18] Um what is the
>> They're portable. So you basically go to
[27:22] a straight portable product. And that's
the other benefit of this. the 10U and
[27:28] 12U girls, 15U girls, they pitch fast
pitch and because I'm a uh hemlock one
[27:36] is a dirt mound, they don't have the
it inhibits them to use that field
[27:43] properly. They have to use hemlock 2
more often than not because of there's a
[27:47] flat mound. This year we did just
actually
[27:52] get rid of the dirt mound at Aken 2 and
that was in uh working with Keystone Oak
[27:59] School District. They bought a portable
mound that is now being housed in our
[28:03] shed down at a 2. It comes on a trolley
so to speak. They come in two, three
[28:08] pieces and yes that's an additional cost
but you're talking like two grand, three
[28:15] grand and that's pretty much it.
Awesome.
[28:19] Thank you.
>> Yeah. So, basically anyone could choose
[28:22] it up to that point and that that mount
would just be easily moved by it maybe
[28:28] take one or two people. I've seen one
person do the mount. It's a pain in the
[28:31] butt. It typically is a twoerson job
just grabbing the two pieces and um
[28:36] putting in the proper areas.
>> Quick question. What month would be
[28:40] ideal for this car to be done?
[28:45] » So, we have 19. So, we have a spring
season and we have a fall season. And
[28:49] our all-star tournament is Oh, that's
not right.
[28:53] Um, Keystone School District is going to
be replacing that shed in the parking
[29:00] lot next to Aken. I was just talking
about this during football reference um
[29:04] with the superintendent Joe Piac. So,
this is something that's on the board
[29:08] for all of us. They're going to be doing
that uh I don't know what it's called.
[29:12] It's a shed. That house that's down
there. It looks like it's still
[29:15] lapitated. It's just going to leave with
gases or something, right? That's coming
[29:20] up.
>> They're fixing that next year. It's on
[29:23] the books and they don't want to mess
with our allstar. So, back to your
[29:26] question. Spring baseball and softball
start. I mean, we don't like letting
[29:32] people So, this is the weird part. We
don't like letting people on the dirt
[29:35] field until April 1. You want to let it
thaw out. You don't want to tear it up
[29:39] in the mud. You make them stick to the
outfield and stuff like that. That
[29:42] season goes from April 1st roughly to
the first second week of June if teams
[29:47] make the playoffs. Playoffs is usually
the first two weeks of June. Our
[29:51] all-star tournament is one week long.
It's the second week of July typically
[29:55] and then fall ball starts roughly
September 1st and goes to October 31st.
[30:01] So you're basically talking about late
July, August would be
[30:06] as far as
even when you get the estimates, if they
[30:10] want to do it during the winter, it's
cheaper. Guess what? Let them. But if
[30:15] that you're talking about not
interfering and doing it during the
[30:17] summer, you're looking at late July,
August, and then if we even have to move
[30:22] our games to be away in early September.
It gives us the opportunity ahead of
[30:27] time to actually make those adjustments
and just fix the schedule according.
[30:32] » I guess we'll just have to figure out
what their schedule looks like.
[30:36] » How late in the fall did you say? I
didn't get that.
[30:38] » I mean, if someone's playing football
games after Halloween, they're
[30:42] obnoxious. Okay.
>> I'm just going to call them out for
[30:44] that. My in my notes, it's October 15th
and I'm done because like that's even
[30:49] when peewee football stops. I'm like if
football's not playing, we shouldn't be
[30:53] playing baseball and softball. And you
know, it's honestly if you get a hot
[30:57] October, great. You get a couple late
days in October, awesome. But the fall
[31:01] season should be roughly October 15th,
October 21st.
[31:05] » There's no playoffs or anything in fall.
Just there you go. But there's not
[31:08] there's no way to we don't extend it.
There's four.
[31:11] » It's more like a moving up period. It's
a developmental time for kids to um move
[31:16] up to the next level. So going from
coach pitch to kid pitch, going from
[31:22] learning the rules to the new areas like
going from little league to pony and
[31:27] then using I'm not going to lie, Wilson.
So difference
[31:32] » I think Mr. Garrison wants
>> Yeah, I was just going to say we would
[31:36] if one of these plans uh Pete Garson by
the one trainer if one of these plans
[31:42] were to be considered it'll be feasible.
We would certainly sacrifice a fall
[31:47] season. Not for the kids. We would find
other fields to use. We would go to
[31:51] other communities for those games, but
certainly if the the community and the
[31:55] council was going to, you know, move
forward with something like this, the
[31:59] fall would be ideal. you know, you get
through that spring season where
[32:03] registration numbers are high, the
community's out and about, uh, get
[32:06] through the all-star tournament, which
is always a success, and then we would
[32:11] be happy to make whatever plays we need
to make to have the fields worked on
[32:16] through the whole fall, but, you know,
the fall is a, you know, it's an extra
[32:21] season and the other will be more than
happy to help us out, give us we have a
[32:28] that we practice on things like So, you
know, that would never be something I
[32:32] think that would inhibit the progress of
a project like this.
[32:36] » Hey, [clears throat] while we haven't
been up there, thanks for that. What
[32:38] about Wilson Field? What's the condition
of that? And what kind of use is
[32:42] supposed to get as a base?
>> I think Wilson I mean it doesn't get
[32:45] much at all. Uh we do use it ball a
little bit. Uh it's not in awful
[32:51] conditions, but it's like any of our
open fields, you know, after the the
[32:55] rain depending on, you know, who was up
there, kids riding their bikes or
[32:59] whatever. But uh if that was a field
that we were to to shift to like a
[33:04] priority, we would we have equipment up
there, we would start doing the same
[33:09] work that we do for him one and two up
there and make it more useful.
[33:13] » I'm wondering this has come up in the
past. Should we burn into soccer? Just
[33:18] make the grass turf the grass in
>> it's highly dependent on the park
[33:25] project. Bacon 2 was awful as far as the
dirt goes. Working with Wilson right
[33:30] now, the Pony team just starting to use
it. I'm basically I to start using it
[33:35] next spring for the Pony team and that
is only one team. However, two is very
[33:43] hard to work on compared to where Wilson
is easier and volunteer that does the
[33:49] time and the hours and the effort. I
know how to get all those correct. I
[33:53] literally just run up and painted all
the lines. We have the We have nine
[33:57] bases up there, 65, 80, and 90. We got
the mound is still fine. It works fine.
[34:03] Just need a little bit of like half hour
of TLC. The drainage there is excellent
[34:07] since that new drain got put in along
the third base line. It literally it's
[34:12] it's just an unused resource whereas we
should actually start doing it. But to
[34:18] your point, if we got the Point Park
project done that it's a turf field,
[34:23] Pony Cole High School were going on that
field and then that becomes a yes, this
[34:28] is just sitting here not being used.
>> Well, I thought the reason why we did
[34:32] stop using Wilson as baseball field too
because ball is going
[34:35] » and with the trip west bats now like
they're just jacking home runs left and
[34:39] right.
>> That season doesn't interfere with the
[34:41] pulling. That season would be over
before the knowing
[34:45] you're talking about Morris.
It's over. Like they're done already.
[34:50] » You're talking high school season.
>> Yeah. The whole high school and pony
[34:53] pony goes into June a little bit, but
you're talking Yes. Like and then Well,
[34:58] the trees grew now. I mean, someone
would have to hit up. That's a bomb for
[35:02] a 13 or 14 year old. Like they ain't
doing that.
[35:05] » People put you up with 15, 16, 17 year
olds on there like the high school team.
[35:10] Then that becomes a reality. But no 14,
15 year olds ball. I've strengthened it
[35:14] up.
[35:17] Thanks.
>> We appreciate the opportunity to even
[35:20] explore this.
>> Well, we appreciate all the time you
[35:22] guys put us out this passion about it.
Thank you. I'm just wondering if this is
[35:27] something that should short that should
go to the planning commission for
[35:30] review. Not sure falls into their
perview or not. This something that you
[35:34] might want to take under consideration
just to make sure.
[35:39] » Yeah. I mean we when we had this initial
discussions regarding the point park
[35:43] field these fields came up the the
reconfiguration thoughts of you know
[35:48] depending on what happens with the point
park field and even with these fields
[35:52] there's a lot of space that we don't
utilize in the best way sometimes we
[35:57] have a lot of fields that aren't as used
as much as the two that we're talking
[36:01] about and it's something Fanny
commission has said is there a different
[36:04] way to utilize that center space of that
park um to be more beneficial So yeah, I
[36:10] mean I think planning commission should
take a look at this. I think knowing
[36:15] exactly what we want to do will help
them then look at the youth versus the
[36:21] youth purpose. Do you know what I'm
saying?
[36:22] » Yes.
>> I think we have to be a little further
[36:24] along in the process before they can
>> start to do other things,
[36:31] » right? Not to not to delay it too long
though,
[36:35] right? I mean,
>> no, I think it'd be great like I think
[36:38] we need to to get to a point. I mean,
hopefully we'll we'll have some
[36:41] understanding with Point Park soon. Um,
because I think that is definitely one
[36:45] of the things we talked about was really
to make any plans so we know what's
[36:49] happening with that space because that
being used by the pony league and the
[36:54] high school and things like that, it
changes a lot of the needs. And so,
[36:59] until we have that piece of the puzzle,
it's kind of hard to put the rest
[37:02] together.
>> Yeah. I don't I don't think the uh Point
[37:06] Park
potential project is related to hemlock
[37:12] films. I think they're independent uh
projects. I mean park could be related
[37:18] to Aken somewhat but I think hemlock
would proceed with that no matter where
[37:24] the point park stands.
>> I agree. This is
[37:27] » I think it's more the use of the other
fields.
[37:30] » What would have anything to do with
Papa? Our community exclusively uses
[37:34] Hanlock one and hemlock two and I think
that should be a higher priority right
[37:37] now for this council to consider while
we wait for point but I don't think one
[37:40] should be dependent on the other as we
are in need of repair infrastructure of
[37:44] these fields as soon as possible.
>> Agreed.
[37:51] » Jesse Robinson 24 on the road also with
planning commission. My only comments on
[37:57] all this was I'm not sure I'm not as
involved. I don't know which fields Aken
[38:02] wanted to and Hadlock. I don't know
where those fields are. I haven't seen a
[38:05] map or constructor drawings of any of
this. I was just advocating for not
[38:10] putting turf in if that was something
that we were imminently considering
[38:16] doing something else with contingent on
point bark. If hemlock
[38:22] is off to the side of that then yeah
>> hemlock one and two are the front
[38:27] fields. So close to the parking lot.
>> We're closer to the street. So um when
[38:34] you're going down road one go behind
that next to the right two.
[38:40] » Okay.
>> One and two are down
[38:42] » closer in between point. Okay. So yeah I
mean the planning commission is doing
[38:46] anything. It's hey if we could put a new
sport thing here what would the
[38:52] community want? So a year from now or
two years from now, we've asked people
[38:57] what they want. They answered. We can
build ball or basketball or whatever.
[39:01] People, you know, planning commission.
If you guys want to repair these fields,
[39:05] you guys do not need planning
commission's input on that.
[39:08] » Okay. All right.
>> It's baseball field now. It's going to
[39:11] be a baseball field later. Like that's
>> I just wanted to make sure that we
[39:15] weren't leaving planning commission. U
So is this something that would um be
[39:20] Mr. Wilson, would this be in this year's
budget or would it be in next year's
[39:23] budget?
>> It would at this point have to be in
[39:26] next year's budget. Um, but the planning
for it could definitely start now uh for
[39:32] what you wanted to do moving forward. I
do think at this point um you know for
[39:38] the as Mr. Kansas had three different
options that there are available um to
[39:44] take the estimates that we have here um
which are really useful to create a
[39:50] budget but [clears throat]
not useful if we want people to figure
[39:55] out how much you just put in as an
estimate when we go to bid. So those
[40:00] individuals have now kind of shown their
hands as to what they would charge. So
[40:06] if you were a competitor,
you now know that these different
[40:10] companies.
>> So what you're saying is they probably
[40:12] should have read this.
>> Not the first time they've been stated
[40:15] publicly. It's not
>> science.
[40:20] » But we really want to have an
understanding that you know turf wise
[40:24] that's what we're into it for. Get some
more information from the engineers when
[40:28] it looks at um the other improvements
that need to do with underneath the
[40:33] turf. Um, so we have a kind of ballpark
figure, budget figure for how much for
[40:39] the two fields improvements would cost
so that during the budget season you can
[40:43] make that determination. But that
doesn't mean that you can't start
[40:46] planning that right now. Just have to
come up with the budget. Where are you
[40:50] going to put that money in allocation?
>> But if it's not budgeted till next year,
[40:56] I mean would get done be until 2028.
Maybe this is not a good way to budget.
[41:03] But uh
>> but what would get done in the fall of
[41:06] 27?
Great.
[41:09] » Oh, if it's not in this year's budget,
>> it's not in 26 budget.
[41:14] » Yeah, that means we can't do it in 27.
You don't budget the money.
[41:18] » No, you can do it in 27 if you budget
them. In the fall, you'll do the 27
[41:23] budget.
>> Yeah. So if you adopt the 27 budget in
[41:27] the fall and have the money to do this
as part of that budget, then it would
[41:31] take place at 27.
>> Anything budgeted for 27 could happen in
[41:38] don't we get a budget in November?
>> She'll do November 26
[41:45] 27.
>> So we'll be okay.
[41:50] » You're getting confused. We're in 2026,
right? Okay. So, you did the 26 budget
[41:56] last fall.
>> We're spending that money now.
[42:00] » Okay.
>> So, when you do the 27 budget, we'll
[42:03] spend it in 27.
>> So, if we can put it in Okay,
[42:08] » we can put in 27.
>> This year's budget is 2027 because
[42:12] that's when we pass it. That's why I'm
getting confused.
[42:16] » Budget.
So, could uh CJ, could we potentially do
[42:22] it or could we do it in the spring of
27?
[42:27] » I guess
this way we're doing it. We're doing it.
[42:30] We can adjust.
>> Absolutely.
[42:32] » Our seasons we could use like so if
you're messing with one and two, we have
[42:37] a one, we have a two, we have Wilson.
We're good.
[42:41] » We just have to adjust. And then it
might be weird with our gaming schedule
[42:45] for that season where we're going to
play all away games. And then guess
[42:49] what? We got this brand new field and
have all these home games late season.
[42:52] » Yeah. Okay.
>> Like that's that's not
[42:54] » But ideally, if we could get it for you
in the spring, you could start your you
[42:59] could have your whole 2027
season on the brand new
[43:05] supposed to be a mild winter.
As the administrator, I just want to
[43:09] caution everyone because it was said
earlier this evening was
[43:13] maintenancefree. That probably is true
>> for the volunteers who regularly do
[43:18] maintenance, but um
>> is there a specialized piece of
[43:22] equipment to remove beads off of it? I
would imagine those are not going out
[43:26] and so there are going to be pieces of
equipment that are going to be a cause
[43:30] to the municipality
that we don't own now. techniques we may
[43:34] have to learn. Obviously, you don't mow
it. Um, that's what that's what we're
[43:39] used to doing. So, there are things that
have to be done that are going to
[43:44] require specialized equipment in the
role.
[43:46] » Yeah, for sure. And the athletic
association is in a position that we
[43:50] would certainly financially support, you
know, those types of things. You know,
[43:55] » we just don't know what they cost yet,
but we want to build them into the
[43:58] budget.
>> Yeah. Uh and you know we're also in
[44:01] support of like you know there's grant
opportunities or things like that we you
[44:05] know we're willing to help however we
can but if there's equipment or things
[44:09] that are needed to maintain those fields
like we certainly would come up with fun
[44:13] stuff.
>> If you were pursuing grand opportunities
[44:18] then you are talking like 28
not 27. 27 would have to purely be like
[44:24] tax dollars that are left over. um
anything that you wanted to do and
[44:31] pursue a grant, that's going to take a
full year just of somebody digesting it.
[44:36] Yeah.
>> And sometimes it takes another year
[44:38] after you get awarded before they even
give you the money. So,
[44:42] » you know, if you want it quickly, there
is the tax revenue to get to that. If
[44:47] you want it eventually, then the grant
revenue would be the stream to pursue
[44:52] and you could even phase it.
>> Yeah. As far as the equipment, for sure
[44:56] we'd be in a position that we would
financially support that there was equip
[45:01] equipment that was needed to help
maintain.
[45:04] » Well, I think Mr. Manzer, your committee
should uh do a deeper analysis this and
[45:10] come to council with a recommendation
proceeding through the budgeting process
[45:14] and further planning.
>> Yes. Yes. That's what now if we can get
[45:22] consensus of council that we would like
to go with option number two and finding
[45:29] a way
>> hold on your option number two was to
[45:32] replace fields in its entirety. So I
think you meant option number three.
[45:37] » Option number three.
>> Yeah.
[45:39] » Yes. Um I'm sorry. Anyways, I and and
you know like I was assured by some of
[45:47] the reps that they were very good at
braiding and like they they it would be
[45:55] the complete package. So let's let's in
deep spell now if we have consensus and
[46:02] council then we can move forward and
finalize the plans. I'll meet with the
[46:10] GAA
and we'll go we'll work together and and
[46:15] get official.
I mean, Mr. Wilson, if you want and I
[46:20] mean, if we ask for another estimate,
they're only going to give us another
[46:24] estimate. I mean, I don't know how to
get the price like I'm not sure what
[46:31] other than putting it out to bid. I
don't know. like
[46:35] » well that is legally what we do have to
do.
[46:38] » Yeah. is I mean it's a multi00,000
project that has to be put out to bid
[46:44] but to have the engineers build an
estimate for the total budget all in um
[46:49] I can take the estimates that you have
already um received and have those
[46:56] worked on to kind of give a an average
cost let's say um for the budget along
[47:02] with any additionals like excavation
things like that engineering that may
[47:07] have to take place and come up with an
all budget and present that as a written
[47:13] thing like document for your
subcommittee uh for your next meeting.
[47:17] Well,
>> yeah,
[47:20] » well that
>> her next meeting is August 17th, but
[47:26] » we could we could as long as we get the
ball rolling and all the council is in
[47:32] agreement, we are going to try to get
this done next year. I think everyone
[47:37] will be happy and I think we can now go
to these companies and get even more
[47:44] clarification
to make sure the bid's going to include
[47:50] everything like you know drainage fence
we we'll get exact figures on and
[47:59] exactly what these bids will include
[48:05] budgeting No,
>> see if they actually hold on a second.
[48:13] » You just you can just let the
administration handle putting the specs
[48:17] together. U but you don't need to go to
any of the vendors. Um because we want
[48:22] to keep the process real pure.
>> Yes,
[48:26] » we do. We need to get go through the
whole public bidding process and
[48:30] formally put out a bid package that
people can uh produce submissions to
[48:34] that are then opened at the designated
date time and we award to the lowest
[48:39] responsible bid. Uh so yeah, we we don't
need to go back and forth with
[48:44] individual companies seeking bids at
this point.
[48:48] I think you already
[48:52] Let's do it then,
>> Mr. Wilson.
[48:58] » I think you already answered my
question. Mr. Wilson, [clears throat] I
[49:01] think I got this straight now. For the
2027 budget,
[49:07] to get this in the 2027 budget, you can
put the specs together without having an
[49:13] accepted bid.
>> Correct.
[49:16] » Thank you. Yeah. So, it wasn't about
that plans.
[49:21] » I'm I'm just going to say a crazy
number, but that way if we know if it's
[49:24] a million dollars, which it's not going
to be, and you need to budget a million
[49:28] dollars in 2027, we can put that in
there, and then we'll all figure out
[49:32] together how you're going to get a
million dollars, but fortunately, it
[49:36] isn't a million dollars. What's prudent
at this point is that we develop the
[49:40] specs, the scope of what we exactly need
so that we can put together a bid
[49:44] package that reflects adequately what we
want and then that way we'll also be
[49:49] able to build out a budget accord as
well.
[49:51] » Mr. Wilson, how quickly do you think our
engineering team could do the specs,
[49:55] look at the fields and get that to us?
>> I cannot answer that question on their
[49:59] behalf, but I'm happy to ask question.
Um question for GA about how many um how
[50:07] many participants do you have in
baseball?
[50:14] » South
baseball and softball. Yes.
[50:22] » Well, fall is usually lower, right?
Yeah, but I'm just
[50:27] with 75
[50:32] and then 12 you have 17.
[50:40] So almost 100
baseball in the fall.
[50:44] » In the fall and that's in the fall
>> is probably
[50:52] about in the spring. Close to 200.
>> 200. Yeah. Okay.
[50:56] » Great.
>> Good. Any other discussion on uh hemlock
[51:02] one and two?
>> Good.
[51:06] » Go ahead.
>> I wanted to throw one idea out. Um and I
[51:09] don't even know Ron and even Mr. Wilson
this even feasible. You mentioned grants
[51:14] would have to be further out. Would
there be the possibility that we could
[51:18] still put it in the budget for 2027
um and have that option but maybe start
[51:24] the process for applying for grants and
see if there's or just researching and
[51:28] seeing if there are grants out there
that could make it a lot cheaper
[51:33] » is there do do them in do it in the
spring of 2018 so we would skip next
[51:38] year but we'd have the money sitting
there so that we could do it early in 28
[51:42] if there was grant funding then we maybe
have to spend as much it was just an
[51:46] idea that came into my head. I don't
know if that's still not enough time for
[51:49] grants. Maybe
>> that's you'd still have to think of
[51:52] phasing it.
>> Yeah.
[51:54] » So, you'd have to do one field one year.
The other field you wouldn't be able to
[51:58] begin anything with it until after the
not only bid was awarded but depending
[52:04] sorry after the grant was awarded but
depending on the grant until it was
[52:09] actually released.
>> Yeah.
[52:10] » So, it depends on the type of grant. So
again, if you get awarded let's say this
[52:16] year and it doesn't get released till
November of next year, you can't even
[52:19] get anything till after that sometimes
that you need.
[52:23] » Yeah.
>> And I understand the timely and
[52:24] favorable response. Yes. You would be
held limbo for a year and a half only to
[52:29] get response or less money than you.
[52:38] » Any more?
>> Okay. Republic state monarch to East
[52:43] Mill Avenue. Um,
first off, Mr. Mayor, your discussion
[52:49] about like, you know, apples and oranges
between Pemlock and Point Park. Point
[52:55] Park seems to be getting held up to some
extent with their plans. I see it as
[53:01] that could be a learning curve. Let them
go through with their plans or see what
[53:07] we need to do.
On a different note, it seems like you
[53:12] guys already have your mind made up that
this is going to be done. But the the
[53:15] biggest problem with those fields over
there is drain. It's never been
[53:19] addressed and it's it's not all that
complicated. If you look after rain, the
[53:26] patterns of the water across the fields,
there's no gutters between
[53:31] the
the arc drains that they have at him too
[53:36] or above the elevation of the asphalt
and there is no curve. So you're getting
[53:41] the water run off. It's coming down past
the bleachers going straight through
[53:45] first base through the pitcher's mind to
third base. the other fields understand
[53:51] CJ
there's few of the coaches over here do
[53:54] a lot of work
[53:58] this almost seems like it's too old it's
less work there I could go off on things
[54:03] that aren't done over there and and I've
offered my time prior to the season
[54:10] starting going and addressing all the
coaches when they were over there to
[54:13] give tips on how to do certain some of
the things not dragging the miles done a
[54:18] great
get them to not do that. But there is a
[54:24] lot of work created over there
that uh could be handled after games. A
[54:30] lot of the rake and things like that.
When I was spent 15 years over there
[54:33] coaching, we had a rake and then we
moved up to hand drags. We didn't have
[54:39] carts and all this other stuff. You
can't chicken scratch. You have to fill
[54:43] a hole in.
I don't know if this is going to be a
[54:46] crush for people to lean on if it's a
wise investment. I'm not saying I mean
[54:50] it's it's great. It'd be great.
that um saying about giving up roads
[55:00] that's I I don't know that the public
has a whole lot of information on this
[55:06] father for the tax dollars to go but
there are simple simpler answers
[55:14] that could address some of the concerns
water erosion so that
[55:19] aren't taken care of I do believe we're
in a different situation now where
[55:24] things
can move up. Never got couldn't get dirt
[55:29] to put on eight and two previously.
Doesn't matter. There's 3T of fall.
[55:34] Whatever you put on there is going to
wash down the sewer. You own that
[55:37] tension block.
There's drainage issues with that field.
[55:43] Um
for your for your playoffs, then those
[55:47] fields look pretty good. We address some
of the stuff.
[55:52] I'm over there a lot doing it. you know
that CJ
[55:56] um
I don't know I don't know if we need to
[56:01] park there's other issues be addressed
thank you
[56:13] public comment doesn't have to be
related to the ball fields
[56:18] okay
right
[56:22] hands
I I have nothing further on the ball
[56:27] fields. Um I I believe it do we have to
make an amendment to the agenda to vote
[56:35] on Mr. Wilson had asked for an amendment
to this agenda
[56:41] to vote on um the young topic.
Uh
[56:49] » yeah, I don't think we do the agenda. I
think that's more of an administrative
[56:53] director of the council.
>> Okay.
[56:57] Do you want to do a sentence?
>> Yes. The Char West Council of
[57:01] Governments was requested by Burough
Greenree to apply for grant
[57:09] uh the county CD53.11.8
[57:13] 8 um in order to
um
[57:18] administer and facilitate the demolition
of 358 Mansfield Road. And the uh CO did
[57:27] put that out for bid and received two
bids. The low bidder was $12,85
[57:35] which is a company called JR Mor uh
Contracting Incorporated Mor I would
[57:40] say. And so, um, what I'm requesting is
consent from councel to send a letter,
[57:48] um, to COG letting them know that, uh,
the bureau has found that the bid is,
[57:55] u acceptable and to request that COG
initiate contract to execution
[58:02] um, as soon as feasible so that
property can be.
[58:07] I believe in your email we said the came
lower than expected
[58:13] of this project. That is correct. Okay.
So beyond below definitely
[58:25] so with consent
>> which I'm sure I'm sure our fields will
[58:29] come in much lower than expected all so
we can put them on
[58:35] » they'll be just shy of the minimus but
[58:41] » all right do I have a motion
>> it would just be a direct that council
[58:47] would authorize uh the manager to
report.
[58:53] » It would be a kind of um
>> recommendation.
[58:58] » Yeah. Direct.
>> Yeah. So the president and council would
[59:03] say unless there's an objective that
should go ahead and do that. So
[59:08] basically we're agreeing
and if someone said no.
[59:13] Yeah. I can't understand.
>> So what Mr. What specifically do I need
[59:20] to say? You just authorize
Mr. We do make a motion. So M I
[59:27] authorize you to move forward with
reaching out to and moving forward with
[59:33] I shall do so. Great.
[59:37] » Okay. Mr. Panza.
>> Yes. Would
[59:44] you like to make a motion to adjurnn?
That's you have done over the past 20
[59:48] some years.
>> Yes. I I would like to make a motion we
[59:52] adjourn this meeting.