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Just to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, another

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out, the divisible, the liberty, and just as it is for all.

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And if we can have a moment of silence and memory about the moment of the war, close to life,

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and for a whole lot of roads, just up to this Friday and then at Caronson.

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Thank you.

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Roll call.

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Tell the turnipse, and fluid.

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Present, council, we'll be counting on theendories, council, we'll be doing one,

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June, 11 seconds.

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council, we'll be doing five, five or another.

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I hear council, we'll be in Diane and Jeette Nerasle.

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Ann council, council, Francis Shin.

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Present.

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We are going to start. We have two young students who are going to discuss a fascinating, you know, project that I read about a couple of, you know, months ago, let's see one crowd and Sharon, days ago.

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Sometimes we go to parks and you see memorials and it's made for somebody and you have

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no idea who it's made for it and Lexi and Sharon, I'm going to tell us about a very interesting

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and exciting initiatives that they started and you can make your presentation.

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Hi, I'm Lexi One-Trout.

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Hi, I'm Sharon Dreizel and we're both seniors at Irvington High School, thank you all for having us today.

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So we found to the Legacy Project, it launched back in July this past summer.

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We got the idea back in 2018.

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So one of our classmates moms, unfortunately lost her battle to Ovarian Cancer back in 2015.

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And, at one of our local municipal parks in Irvington, Sinek Hudson Park, there are some memorial stones

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with trees next to them that are dedicated to loved ones who have passed away that people can sponsor.

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And we knew that our classmates, Mom, had been honored down at the park, so we had gone down there to look for her tree and we unfortunately couldn't find it.

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So that's when we got the idea for the Legacy Project.

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I mean, we wanted to make all those stones more digital

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and more accessible for people outside of Irvington

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to find them and just honor them, honor their memory,

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and just spread the word, and honor them outside of Irvington.

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So, I'm going to talk a little bit about the process

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of getting our project off the ground.

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We started out by reaching out to the parks department.

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And from there it kind of went up to the higher levels for them to give us permission to contact families that own the stones and for them to release their information to us.

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So then we started by writing a letter that we were going to mail to the addresses of the people who own the stones.

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And we asked them if they wanted to take part in our project and if they did, we gave them a space to write a little about their stone that they've donated.

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and we were going to put it up on the website and we capped it at like 150

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words. We gave it about a month to get the letters back and then from there we

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started going down to the park taking pictures of the stones, the trees and then

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we typed it all up and it got put up by the park's department on to their website.

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So, Sharon was saying we got all the responses back and there was a lot of

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positive feedback from our community. Even some of the responses had like

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individual notes addressed to us saying, thanks so much for this amazing project.

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They all thought it was a great idea, and there was such amazing feedback from Irvington

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community and even family members that don't live in Irvington across the country.

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And so the project took about two and a half years to complete.

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And as I said, it launched us past July.

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And so you can see on the website, here's an example of one of the...

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And so this was one of the people that's honored down there, and this was one of the little

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tributes that the family had provided us with, and unfortunately the pictures aren't

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loading.

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But if you go on the Irvington website and you look at the Legacy Project, all the pictures should

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be there, and there's going to be a picture of the tree as well as the plaque itself.

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And all the people that chose to be in it, and there will be there as well as all the

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people that choose to donate new trees and plaques have the option to check a box saying

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I would love to join the Legacy Project and yeah so that's the one.

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We just really saw this as a great way to bring our community together and carry on the

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history of these plaques so that's all fine.

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We won't model for the entire nation because this is something that is definitely needed

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in all communities we really have to remember our past and appreciate history.

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So I'm really so grateful to you for this exciting initiative that you organized.

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Okay, so I'd like to open up the hearing to consider repealing Chapter 260 of the Code of the Town of Greenberg and Title 3, and consider the adoption of a local law, creating a Chapter 260 of the Code of the Town of Greenberg and Title 3's community managed.

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I'm delighted to see you.

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Moving on, public comments? We're only going to have one public comment for us.

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We have three requests during this week,

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Ella and Pat Williams, right, for public comment.

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Oh, in Barbara's scene.

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evening, Dory Wilson. Today, on Dostre Road, there was an accident where the construction is being done.

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from, well, the construction is all the way from Westerst if you lay in all the way up to the Chelsea.

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Last week, Tuesday, there was a meeting between a resident of Westerst if you lay in myself,

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Steve Freyetta, Rich Fawn, Sergeant Rexin, all of the engineers from the Chelsea.

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I think it's Booker, Engineering, and a few assorted people.

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The Robert Rizley was also there.

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And one of the concerns that we had was not enough people

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on the road from the construction company handling the traffic.

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This is a long stretch of road, and it's only one lane in each way.

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So, basically, you're closing off one lane and you have to travel onto the other lane.

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We had asked for additional flaggers to be present, one at rest just a few lane, and one at

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Rivington to allow people to go into the lane going east or to make the right turn going west.

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It was supposed to be considered today when I was going out.

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The flag was moved from the one end all the way down to Westchester, New Lane.

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So they did not increase the number of flag as all they did was move him down.

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As I was going east, that's where the accident occurred.

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It must have happened just a couple of minutes before.

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And I don't know how it happened or I know it happened between a bus that travels on

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Darsford Road and a car and it looks like to me the bus was in one lane and the car was

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in one lane and I don't know if who was that fault?

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I don't know if there were any like I said I just passed by we just were told to move.

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But the best person was out there and then a patrol person came by as I was passing exactly by.

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The question I'd like to raise is, this was brought up at the meeting that the number of people is not sufficient in handling what's going on.

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And one gentleman is in construction in my community and he was upset and worried about as the

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weather gets into winter weather, what's going to happen because early equipment is lined

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up right at the edge of Dobbs ferry road and if it's slippery or whatever, will be a problem

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We will be an accident, and the question that he wants, no, is there a little statewide

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because it is a state road or a town road, I don't know, that equipment, these big,

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digging trucks, I guess, I don't know what they're called, but with the claws and things and

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those are the ones that are doing the chipping and those are the ones that are doing the

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digging out and all kinds of equipment and they have all these huge pipes over there, and

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and also have these huge, I'm not feeling it, but the over-secretment is all over the road.

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So we're going to investigate that, Ms. Lipson. Thanks for bringing that to our attention.

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So I was going to mention, she is right here if he would maybe tell us a little bit about it, thank you.

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Well, why don't you speak to him because we, you know, it's late. We have other speakers.

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But maybe other people want to hear about it, too.

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Can we just, Chief, is that something that we could take a look at?

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Right, there was also an additional problem when I could coming across the stops very

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road, because the Spluna was out right before we had where the work is going on.

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I was just from view, so you had traffic was being diverted around that just to meet at the

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next point and was getting kind of tacky there.

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So when if you've got two of them going on and not enough flag, or I think it's an issue?

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I agree, just feel like a chief blind line, chief of police.

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So we'll be visiting this construction site again tomorrow with RT.

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We've been trying to educate and work with the contractors and thank you for bringing this to our attention once again.

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It's considered to be having police officers who are more versed at directing traffic,

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be assigned to this detail as well.

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It wasn't any police officer there today.

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Yeah, right understood.

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So we may have to suggest that they actually have

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staffed us with police officers as well.

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We'll look into what we were trying to educate them

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as far as where they placed their flaggers kind of just

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teach them up a little bit so to speak and make it safe.

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But now we're an accident today.

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It's obviously it's not a good thing.

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Thankfully, there was no injuries.

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As far as I know with that.

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But again, we will look at this matter tomorrow morning

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first thing.

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Thank you.

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and we'll address whether there's a law.

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We'll research that.

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Papyrinstein?

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Good evening.

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I stuck around because I wanted to make clear

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to everyone assembled what the ECC is.

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It's a civic association.

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They represent all of Edgemont.

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Our eight individual, it's an umbrella organization.

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There are eight underlying civic associations.

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Within it, we meet once a month,

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accept, July and August, our meetings are open to the public. Our meetings are held at the

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Edgemont Junior Senior High School. Our agendas are public. They're published on our website

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have been for years, along with the minutes of every one of our meetings.

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And town officials don't

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need an invitation to come to our meetings. They're welcome just like everyone else's. The fact that

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don't come generally, send the message, of course, but we don't make it a habit of disparaging

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you for not coming.

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We just take it as a given that you don't come and presumably, you know, why you don't

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choose not to come.

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And I know that you attend, when you wish, meetings of the Council of Civic District.

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I know that any number of you have attended those, you don't need a special invitation to go there either.

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So, and nor is the ECC some kind of a committee or group of people that sits around and talks about edge-run incorporation?

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I heard that today, and I thought, well, that pretty much indicates that the person who made that comment is to find a supervisor,

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to find her, doesn't read our minutes, and doesn't read our genders.

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Because if you had, you would see that that's not what we do.

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The ECC is neutral on the issue of incorporation.

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But we do discuss matters affecting the town.

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And, you know, it would benefit us if the town were to send somebody.

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We had Victor at our last meeting.

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And he was very helpful in answering questions.

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There were a lot of questions that were had, and it was good if him to come, but he hadn't

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been to an ECC meeting in 10 years.

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It was the first one he'd been to in the 10 years.

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He'd been commissioner.

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Our meetings are covered by the scars of an inquire.

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In fact, I think the meeting that Victor was at was from page news in the inquire.

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As our meetings generally, so that you don't come is really

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you not us. As far as what I heard earlier today, I don't know that whether anyone will reach

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out to us on the tree law before it's amended, but I will tell you that the comments that

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were made with respect to wetlands are not true. If you're denied a wetland experiment, you

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have a right to go to the planning board to be heard. If you're denied a ZBA permit,

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okay, a building permit, you can go to the ZBA. If you're denied a steep slope, you can go to

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planning. The fact that you have these administrative appeals built into your code and

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you deliberately chose not to do that for trees is part of your problem. We can help

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you fix it. But from what I'm hearing from your town staff, you don't seem to think you

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have a problem. And unfortunately you do.

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Mr. Finer, you're going to owe an awful lot of us some extra time because this is the

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second meeting in a row now that you've scheduled that we don't get more than three minutes

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for. May I ask what I didn't hear what you did on the tree law? Is that held open for

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all purposes or have you come? It's held open for all purposes. Okay. Just so that I can correctly

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give the information out to the Council of Green for specific reasons.

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question that any of any questions or comments you have try to get them to us before the

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mirror. I will try to do that. I do have another life still believe it or not. Sometimes I wonder.

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One thing I am not even going to take my full three minutes. Thank you for getting a different microphone

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here. I don't know why we had to raise all the fuss about it, but I'm

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presuming that people's voices go out and even when you turn to the side a

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little bit, you are still able to make your point. So have a wonderful thanks

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It's giving to you all.

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Bye.

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Thank you.

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Grabble, grabble.

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We have a bunch of volunteers who donate the time to the town. They don't get paid. They don't get over time. They spend many hours and we have two appointments today and we have two appointees here and rather than make them stay for the entire evening.

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I thought maybe we could take the our appointments out of the border and then if they want to say a few words, we could

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recognize them. So first the appointment of Trudy Holland to the Board of Ethics to feel full.

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Just the past practice. Does anyone have any comments regarding the appointment? So these individuals.

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So if I'd like to move that we take the Board's and commissions out of the border and the first

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Nominate is Trudy Holland to the Board of Ethics to fill in on the next four. I turn to explore. I December 31st, 2024. I'd like to move that.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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You make me so happy.

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I just want to say thank you so much for choosing me to be the newest member of the Board of Ethics.

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I know how very important this board is to our community.

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And I don't take it lightly.

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And once again, thank you so much.

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Thank you for agreeing to some.

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Thank you.

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And the next one.

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The next one.

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And next up, the appointment of Johan Snacks, as an alternate member of the Planning Board

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for a term to expire December 31st, 2020, I'd like to move that.

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Well, if they ever are.

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Good evening everybody.

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Good evening.

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I just wanted to express my thanks for the consideration.

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Definitely interested in being a clean, a logical role in this community.

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and your consideration and confidence,

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quickly appreciate it.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Moving right along.

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At the time that we printed me agenda,

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we did not have the name of the person who

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succumbed to our injuries at the

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And so, our prayers go out to the family and assist the tragic tragic event.

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Thank you.

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Next, okay, town board, TV1, resolution, we're approving an agreement between the town of Greenberg and Village of Almsfair to provide five protection services to residents of North Almsfair at a class not to exceed 7, 7, 9, 8, 4, 1, 0, 5, I'd like to move that. Second, on favor, TV2, resolution, approving an agreement between town of Greenberg and Village of Almsfair to provide five protection services to residents of west Almsfair to five protection district for the year.

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She does 19 and the cost not to exceed 231, 5, 6, 1, 31 of like you would have.

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Okay, we're all right.

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Resolution of the Rising Taxors Bureau, I saw them in a American-bobbling company on 55-hunter lane. We fund 11,919. I'd like to move that.

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They've arrived. What the Rising Taxors Bureau, I saw them in the Verizon Equinox, 215,760.

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like to move that.

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I'm afraid we're on it.

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What the Ryzen Tech Serture, I said I'm going to petition our RBT company for property located

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at 380.

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So I'm going to be a little bit more of a road to like this.

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Tell them how it is.

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It is 201935.

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I'd like to move that.

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I'm afraid we're on it.

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A resolution.

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What the Ryzen Tech Serture, I said I'm going to put the Hudson Harbor condo.

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Tell them how it's 34.

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485.

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I'd like to move that.

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Second.

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I'm afraid we're on it.

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Bye.

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The authorizing Edron Red from roundhold roads to the triangle, Edron Place for NetRound Association to hold

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the Samuel Christmas Tree lightning, a queen pun, the Sunday election for that.

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You want to provide, Edron Road for a month.

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Just three closing.

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The street closing to the east end of roundhold road for Edron Association to hold as annual Christmas

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of Caroling on Monday December 24th from 4th to 6.30 pm.

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Well, favor.

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Second.

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Bye.

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Resolution, declaring, the secret determination of the town board of the town of Greenberg, with respect to an amended

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site plan and all related applications by the front of the cemetery.

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Two eighties, seek your road, I'd like to move that.

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Resolution, what the rise in fiscal year, 2019 budget transfers of like to move that on February 5th, resolution, what the rising approval of moly men to perform an actual review as required with gas bait, statement, number 75 fiscal year, 2019, 2020, a manual close not to exceed 18,000 like to move that second on February 5th.

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We're off the rise in town of Greenward Department of Parks to accept the $150 donation for the nutrition program at Coana's Club of Parks, Della, like to move that, second.

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We'll figure out.

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Well, otherwise, in change order, amending the contract was sent to all construction companies for storm call, but we have a rotation at old summer of a road for special excavation for an additional amount, not six feet, 47, 790, 506, if I can move that.

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Second.

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Well, if they were.

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Hi.

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On.

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Authorizing.

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Change order.

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Amending.

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Number two.

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Amending.

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The contract with Pander.

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Peter Landy.

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For the construction of a sidewalk of Columbia Avenue.

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And additional costs not to exceed 65,000.

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Like from with that.

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If they were.

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Resolution.

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Authorizing.

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Continuing.

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Professional.

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Services.

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For building.

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for building a valuation and fitful planning for the town police and court for an amount.

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Now it's a C-45,900.

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You'd like to speak?

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You'd like to speak?

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Please do a second.

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Second.

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Now you can speak.

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Your second.

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Thank you.

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Good evening.

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Q. McQualley.

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Hodge the resident.

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I'd just like to speak on the list.

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Or whatever.

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With law.

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Resolution.

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We got a lot of, I've been monitoring the due diligence, diligence of the town, and Victor

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Corrosi's office, and this is a positive step in the right direction.

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No decisions have been made, but to have lot of proceed with some initial design work based

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on the needs assessment study that they completed back in March is sound business, and it's

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part of a process that's ongoing in conjunction with CRBE. So again, I'd like to say that C-B-R-E.

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And if you could read the Big E, I could at nine o'clock.

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But again, I think this is a great

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movement, and as a resident in a tax payer, I'm very, very pleased with the due diligence

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that's being put into the project.

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So thank the board.

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And I think this is sound money being spent

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in monitored by Victor Corrosi.

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Thank you, and it's staff.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, man.

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And while we're on the topic, one of the issues that was discussed

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by the board, informally, was that we're hoping

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that there is monitoring of why Northrop does.

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So that the money isn't used frivolously.

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And you gave the example of a wooden building.

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CBRA, hopefully, is not going to put that forward.

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So before, Walter Oak does any kind of an examination

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of a building, we would hope that there

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would be others that, including CBRA and you,

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meaning the commissioner of the Department of Public Works,

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would look to see whether or not it's suitable,

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so we're not wasting much time.

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And all that we can see in the areas currently to, like, to, you know, not to resent buildings that are more reliable consideration.

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You need to vote on that.

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I can vote for this.

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Probably just covering any mental alley.

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And giving them a favor.

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I'm sorry.

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Well, all in favor on this motion.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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Service Agreement with the K-DIS,

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Prevaluation of what a disinfection for the Town of Greenburg

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consolidated, ordered to strict number one,

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order pump stations for an amount, not to exceed 18,500.

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Well, if they were, okay, I'll move we adjourn.

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I'm Fiverr.

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Bye.

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So, if I'd like to move that we open off the hearing? Second.

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All right. All right. Good evening. Supervisor Finer and members of the Town Board for the record,

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Orange Met, Deputy Commissioner and Town Forestary Officer with the Department of Community, Development, and Conservation.

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Thank you for having me here this evening to further discuss the proposed tree ordinance entitled, Trees Community Management.

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This is now the third public hearing on this matter.

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We are very appreciative of the constructive comments provided by residents of the community and have made a number of revisions, which I would like to share with you and members of the public.

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As previously discussed, the Department of Community Development and Conservation is dedicated to providing members of the public with helpful information related to the environment, including the proposed town tree ordinance.

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The department, through its web page, will post information on the following.

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Application forms with instructions, industry recognized proper tree trimming standards.

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Again, no permit required for general tree pruning.

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Examples of activities that could inadvertently injure trees,

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samples for determining the environmental value of trees proposed for removal

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And, for those proposed as replacement trees, how do I identify if you have an invasive species of tree on your property, along with the link to the New York State list of prohibited and regulated invasive plants?

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We'll also provide a link to the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation's list of protective native plants.

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Department staff also will be available and pleased to meet with residents to answer questions.

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We will assist homeowners in determining suitable species for planting along with proper placement suggestions.

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We are also available to communicate over the phone and through email.

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Since the last public hearing on this matter, we have made the following improvements to the draft law, including a revision to Section 260-5

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five to clarify that only trees with toxic organisms which cannot be treated, which spread

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to other trees and are those that can be required to be removed by the town. There are no

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replacement requirements in connection with these removals. Further, Section 260-12B has been

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added to the draft law, related to larger-scale developments involving the removal of 50 or more trees,

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or on properties five acres of more in area, whereby a surge charge is to be paid in the amount

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of $500 per tree, or 1% of the building permit application fee, which ever is greater.

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These search charges would be deposited into a town-wide tree fund for tree planting throughout the town.

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The Department as well equipped to carry out the administration of this law.

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We will provide very detailed information and examples on the website to assist residents.

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We fully support the proposed ordinance with the improvements made,

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and believe it will result in a healthier, more livable greenberg for us and for future generations of the town.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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We're going to begin the hearing.

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The first two statements came in on Sunday and the others today.

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From Bill Darger, D-A-R-G-E-R.

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Dear Supervisor Finer and Town Board,

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The Old Edge Month Association encourages you to pass the proposed street ordinance.

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The proposal respects the environment and scientific understanding with outcome of bureaucracy.

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The regulation would apply to all properties regardless of size.

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It increases the size of hazardous trees.

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I'm sorry.

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It increases the size.

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Thank you, Francis. You must be reading along with me. It increases the size of regulated

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trees consistent with other local municipalities. It provides for expedited removal of hazardous

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trees. It makes provisions not require a replacement of invasive species of trees. It allows

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for replacement trees to be young and thus not costly.

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It reduces fees and paperwork.

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We appreciate the thoughtful consideration that this issue has been given by many individuals

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and entities within the town.

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We hope this becomes law promptly.

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Warm Regards, Old Edge Month Association Board of Directors.

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Number two,

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to Diana Jutner, Ellen Hendricks, Ken Jones, Francis Schian, Paul Tounner,

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Pope Paul Feiner, Town Board, from Alex Piotis, P-A-I-D-A-S, as a nine year resident

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of Greenberg, I have been very pleased with the decisions of the town, level of services

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and focus on important issues, the latter in dramatic contrast with Skarsville.

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The proposed tree ordinance is the exception for me.

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Property owners need to be able to decide how they manage their own property.

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There are merit reasons to cut, replace or train trees, colon, age, dangerous limbs, proximity

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to foundation walls, invasive species, excessive lean, etc., the town should not legislate.

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If anything, judging by persistent power, outrageous in our area, homeowners need to do more.

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I'm sorry, go back to that sentence.

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If anything, judging by persistent power, outages in our area, homeowners need to do more.

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not less to manage their tree populations.

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Please let homeowners, especially those with less than one acre, decide how to manage their property.

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Also, I have to point out that live and let live, quote unquote, live and let live,

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It's one major reason why many edge-mount residents resist the incorporation movement.

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Over-legislation

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Plays into the hands of the would be incorporating tours. Let's not do that. Thank you for your attention. Alex Piaides, P-A-I-D-A-S. Okay. Next,

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Lindsey is a Lindsey Kaufman or Lindsey Kaufman. Lindsey Kaufman?

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Hi,

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my name is Lindsey Kaufman and I'm a sophomore at Edmont High School, Mr. Finder and the Greenbird Town Board.

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Thank you for allowing me to speak tonight.

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The current legislation state said if someone chooses to take down a train or property,

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that person has to replace.

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The current legislation state said if someone chooses to take down a train or property,

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that person has to replace it with the tree.

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that when fully grown will have 90% of the environmental values that original tree.

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This law only applies to properties that are at least an acre,

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which is only about 10% of the properties in Greenberg.

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Trees are important because they move carbon dioxide

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at greenhouse gas from the air.

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According to Urban Forestry Network.org,

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a full-grunt tree observed about 48 pounds of carbon dioxide per year.

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In addition, trees act as a natural filter and remove pollutants

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that people shouldn't breathe in from the air according to Royal Park's.org.

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Please support CAC's proposed law that would change the current legislation so it applies

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to all properties regardless of size.

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In addition, the replacement trees should be native trees instead of invasive species.

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This is because invasive species have no natural predator, so they tend to take over the

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area they're in.

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Finally, replacing a tree is not burdensome to the property owner.

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Has tremendous value to the community.

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Thank you.

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Good evening.

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My name is Aaron Hart, H-A-R-T. My husband and I are new to Greenberg. We chose

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Greenberg for the beauty and the character of its trees. I'm here tonight not only as a new

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resident who deeply loves the National Environment of my new home, but also as a biologist

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and firsthand witness to the consequences of inaction.

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00:37:35,810 --> 00:37:37,030
I am a native to California,

454
00:37:37,950 --> 00:37:41,030
where the broad-scale devastation hits at least twice a year,

455
00:37:41,530 --> 00:37:43,270
and unlike a tornado or an earthquake,

456
00:37:43,950 --> 00:37:46,550
a hot dry wind that comes each fall

457
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:49,190
has very little to any inherent power

458
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:51,390
to wreak broad-scale destruction on its own.

459
00:37:51,890 --> 00:37:54,450
It's the human decisions surrounding that wind.

460
00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:57,100
Pardon me.

461
00:38:00,510 --> 00:38:02,690
It's the human decisions surrounding that wind

462
00:38:02,690 --> 00:38:04,330
that turn a routine weather invent

463
00:38:04,330 --> 00:38:06,570
into an unstoppable destructive force.

464
00:38:07,350 --> 00:38:09,990
Decisions of a greedously outdated environment of policy,

465
00:38:10,610 --> 00:38:13,230
lack of foresight, a deep siloed practice

466
00:38:13,230 --> 00:38:15,390
of disregard for surrounding communities

467
00:38:15,390 --> 00:38:17,850
that is responsible for broad-scale devastation.

468
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:20,790
My hometown was lost in 1993.

469
00:38:21,970 --> 00:38:24,090
In 2003, it was threatened again.

470
00:38:24,850 --> 00:38:26,630
But it was spared by virtue of new laws

471
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:28,770
that were created in the wake of the 93 disaster.

472
00:38:29,490 --> 00:38:32,930
This was a cogent, but incredibly horrible lesson

473
00:38:32,930 --> 00:38:34,450
that my town learned.

474
00:38:35,490 --> 00:38:39,770
So what do the field policies of the fires in California have to do with a tree lawn and westchester?

475
00:38:40,450 --> 00:38:41,470
My answer is everything.

476
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:48,130
This updated tree lawn represents the kind of proactive insight

477
00:38:48,130 --> 00:38:51,650
and call for collective responsibility that would have deeply mitigated

478
00:38:51,650 --> 00:38:55,730
if not entirely thwarted some of the devastating events in my own state of California.

479
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:59,490
Our current tree lawn is 45 years old.

480
00:39:00,890 --> 00:39:06,750
The amount of scientific shift and paradigm change that has taken place in that time is staggering.

481
00:39:07,610 --> 00:39:12,670
And the light of that fact and my own experience, I believe this updated law is not only a demonstration of wisdom,

482
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:16,630
but more imperative to apply current best practices.

483
00:39:17,730 --> 00:39:23,570
This is a common sense law based in strong current scientific knowledge and conchanges planning for the future.

484
00:39:23,570 --> 00:39:28,790
It is a progressive for Westchester, but it's also extremely reasonable given what's at stake.

485
00:39:29,650 --> 00:39:37,450
It is my deepest hope that the leadership of my no-home will serve as a beacon of forward-thinking and collective responsibility to the communities surrounding it.

486
00:39:37,630 --> 00:39:46,170
I know too well the consequences that we are neighboring communities and our children will face should we fail to act to preserve and improve our environment.

487
00:39:46,910 --> 00:39:51,870
History has shown that even those who opposed similar laws before the crisis struck in my

488
00:39:51,870 --> 00:39:55,890
home state now stand in full support of those same efforts in hindsight.

489
00:39:56,830 --> 00:39:58,550
They say things like they wish they listened.

490
00:39:59,250 --> 00:40:01,110
They say that they wish they had been part of the solution.

491
00:40:01,710 --> 00:40:02,410
How do I know?

492
00:40:02,830 --> 00:40:03,390
I was there.

493
00:40:04,070 --> 00:40:05,450
And my family is still there.

494
00:40:05,870 --> 00:40:10,270
And these are the statements of those who fought progress only to win an argument, but to lose everything

495
00:40:10,890 --> 00:40:11,930
in the end.

496
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:17,910
I dearly wish the leadership of my hometown had had the courage and vision to safeguard the future

497
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:23,170
the way it is being proposed here, because the gravity of what we stand to lose cannot be overstated.

498
00:40:24,070 --> 00:40:27,290
In closing, I will lead you with the words when far-wise within myself.

499
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:34,310
For in the final analysis, our most common basic link is that we all inhabit this small planet.

500
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:36,690
We all breathe the same air.

501
00:40:36,690 --> 00:40:40,890
We all cherish the children, and we are all mortal.

502
00:40:41,490 --> 00:40:45,530
John F. Kennedy, thank you for your time, have a good week.

503
00:40:52,030 --> 00:40:53,310
Carol Demis.

504
00:40:59,310 --> 00:41:00,330
Good evening.

505
00:41:01,770 --> 00:41:03,770
D-E-M-A-S.

506
00:41:04,090 --> 00:41:05,190
Carol's in E.

507
00:41:06,170 --> 00:41:06,890
Thank you.

508
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:14,730
My husband is Stewart Allen and I are grateful to have lived in East Irvington for 33 years,

509
00:41:14,730 --> 00:41:19,930
on almost three craggy acres with approximately 200 mature trees.

510
00:41:20,530 --> 00:41:24,090
It's been constant work and much of which we do ourselves.

511
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:30,910
Our story illustrates what happens when neighbors unrestricted by current ordinances that apply to some,

512
00:41:31,210 --> 00:41:32,410
but not to all.

513
00:41:32,930 --> 00:41:37,110
We're free to do as they pleased, without regard to the impact on others.

514
00:41:37,930 --> 00:41:41,970
It is about damage we suffered due to neighbors abused tulip trees.

515
00:41:41,970 --> 00:41:49,810
Neighbors, whose removal of other trees that were preventing erosion, also threatened damage to a house below theirs.

516
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:55,750
We are separated from these neighbors only by a single-lane easement road.

517
00:41:56,370 --> 00:42:04,510
These new neighbors, desiring a nice lawn, substantially raised the soil level around their tall mature tulip trees.

518
00:42:05,490 --> 00:42:08,770
A licensed, arborist friend warned us to expect trouble.

519
00:42:08,770 --> 00:42:10,950
the weight and depth of heavy so

520
00:42:10,970 --> 00:42:18,090
A call on those tree roots would damage and kill those tulip trees, or parts of them, would fall our way.

521
00:42:19,310 --> 00:42:30,090
I call the town to ask, are people allowed to kill trees slowly? To avoid potential conflict, I've explicitly requested no direct confrontation with the neighbors.

522
00:42:30,770 --> 00:42:36,210
A Greenberg representative showed up and he spotted an enormous pile of fill for which the

523
00:42:36,210 --> 00:42:42,150
same neighbors had no permit, a permit requirement which unlike tree laws applies to everyone.

524
00:42:43,770 --> 00:42:50,310
My neighbor verbally accosted me, left me totally shaken. To add insult to injury, we were told

525
00:42:50,310 --> 00:42:55,410
that since the neighbor's property was nine tenths of an acre, three ordinances in this instance

526
00:42:55,410 --> 00:43:03,110
did not apply to them. The tulip trees fell, they blocked our road, they broke our trees,

527
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:08,510
they destroyed our plantings, enormous pieces flattened our fences and our gates.

528
00:43:09,610 --> 00:43:14,450
Our many trees are barely visible to most people, their precious and they need care,

529
00:43:14,830 --> 00:43:18,690
some age out and they die, a permit is required for their removal,

530
00:43:19,450 --> 00:43:23,030
as owners of larger property we are held to a higher standard.

531
00:43:24,010 --> 00:43:42,610
We request fairness. We're not about making problems for others. It's about requiring all property owners to adhere to the same rules, to care for trees, responsibly, to contribute to the town-wide environment, and protect themselves and their neighbors from potential harm.

532
00:43:43,550 --> 00:43:59,950
And while I'm at it, I am compelled to remind you of the travesty at Avalon Green, where ten acres of mature forest were clear-cut, overnight, and sold for lumber in direct defiance of a careful, well-considered official tree plan.

533
00:43:59,950 --> 00:44:06,570
The sold lumber more than paid the fines, it was a massacre, it was a hardbreak.

534
00:44:07,590 --> 00:44:14,130
My husband and I request that fines be raised to powerfully punitive levels to repelled

535
00:44:14,130 --> 00:44:16,510
developers from ignoring the law.

536
00:44:17,470 --> 00:44:18,810
Thank you for your time.

537
00:44:25,550 --> 00:44:26,610
Margaret Beale.

538
00:44:33,890 --> 00:44:34,230
Good evening.

539
00:44:35,050 --> 00:44:37,770
My name is Margaret Beale, it's a B.E.A.L.

540
00:44:37,770 --> 00:44:47,990
So, I am here to read a statement from my son, Matthew, who is at school, and he graduated

541
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:52,570
college in 2018 with a double major in math and environmental science, so he has an interest

542
00:44:52,570 --> 00:44:53,330
in this topic.

543
00:44:54,210 --> 00:44:59,510
To the town board of Greenberg, we often look at new environmental regulations in terms of

544
00:44:59,510 --> 00:45:05,470
their costs to us, as a legislative hassle, unnecessary procedures and a drain on citizens

545
00:45:05,470 --> 00:45:11,050
time and money. What we don't often see is a hidden environmental cost of the status quo.

546
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:17,470
The truth is, protecting trees will save us all time, money, and energy in the long run.

547
00:45:18,090 --> 00:45:24,310
Each year, urban trees provide over $500 million worth of ecosystem services to the world's

548
00:45:24,310 --> 00:45:30,290
10 largest cities, including New York City. Cannabis provide shade, decreasing residents cooling

549
00:45:30,290 --> 00:45:35,470
bills in the summer, deep route systems provide water absorption, mitigating the impacts of

550
00:45:35,470 --> 00:45:41,110
floods, trees also protect our health, trapping airborne particulates and improving air quality,

551
00:45:41,830 --> 00:45:47,590
areas with dense tree coverage see lower incidents of childhood asthma and reduce symptoms

552
00:45:47,590 --> 00:45:49,050
of bronchitis in the elderly.

553
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:55,870
So to fully understand the cost of this legislation, we need to consider return on investment.

554
00:45:56,650 --> 00:45:59,350
True, planting a tree represents an up-front cost.

555
00:45:59,350 --> 00:46:04,170
The average cost of replacing a hardwood in New England is between $20 and $50.

556
00:46:05,350 --> 00:46:11,250
In Greenberg, that tree will provide over $10,000 worth of ecosystem services in its lifetime.

557
00:46:11,890 --> 00:46:19,350
This figure includes cost savings on flooding, heating, cooling, wind damage, soil erosion and public health.

558
00:46:19,870 --> 00:46:23,870
Trees are not just good for aesthetics of a neighborhood, they're good for its bottom line.

559
00:46:24,590 --> 00:46:28,030
Think of this legislation as an investment in the future of the town.

560
00:46:28,030 --> 00:46:33,610
If you're willing to forego future wealth for short-term gain, then it makes sense not to

561
00:46:33,610 --> 00:46:34,330
support this law.

562
00:46:34,830 --> 00:46:39,910
But if you care about the longevity of our historic town and the health of this future

563
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:42,810
inhabitants, then this law is a no-brainer.

564
00:46:43,730 --> 00:46:45,630
What do you envision for Greenberg's future?

565
00:46:46,190 --> 00:46:51,510
Do you want a town to be a cash-cow for developers, but it's easy to destroy hundreds of

566
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:56,290
years of tree growth for a quick buck, or do you want to live in a robust healthy neighborhood

567
00:46:56,290 --> 00:46:58,870
where residents take pride in their built environment.

568
00:47:00,130 --> 00:47:02,750
Unlike most legislation, environmental laws

569
00:47:02,750 --> 00:47:07,370
overwhelmingly overwhelmingly begin with grassroots organization,

570
00:47:07,930 --> 00:47:11,890
a group of concerned citizens aware of the implications of the status quo.

571
00:47:12,690 --> 00:47:18,030
This is not surprising, since environmental issues disproportionately impact private citizens,

572
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:21,130
small business owners and marginalized communities.

573
00:47:22,110 --> 00:47:25,130
We all have to do our part to ensure the planet remains

574
00:47:25,130 --> 00:47:30,910
livable for future generations. We have to include all properties with this law, not just

575
00:47:30,910 --> 00:47:37,990
large parcels. There may be strain on individual homeowners, but it will build awareness

576
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:43,650
towards greener living. The tree law alone will not solve the existential problems of climate

577
00:47:43,650 --> 00:47:49,210
change, but by involving everyone in the town, we can coalesce a community of informed

578
00:47:49,210 --> 00:47:55,190
engage participants. It's not about any single tree. It's about building a sustainable community.

579
00:47:56,070 --> 00:47:59,210
And Greenberg citizens lie at the heart of that. Thank you.

580
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:06,510
Carol Sarsano.

581
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:23,500
Ms. Mike and Sam. A. R. C. I. N. E. L. L. A.

582
00:48:24,060 --> 00:48:26,080
Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Finer.

583
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:33,720
This evening, I want to endorse the new chapter to 60 Treat Community Management Law,

584
00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:42,420
which is a revision of the existing trees chapter 260. Upon reading and comparing the two laws,

585
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:51,340
the new law is more specific and applies to all properties in the town. The law attempts to

586
00:48:51,340 --> 00:48:59,100
correct the egregious tree cutting that has incurred in some areas. The intent of the new law

587
00:48:59,100 --> 00:49:08,940
is to ensure that we maintain the existing tree canopy prevent water runoff and soil erosion.

588
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:18,060
Of course, ultimately, we hope the air is improved. This law responds to current

589
00:49:18,060 --> 00:49:26,740
public awareness of the need to maintain and improve our environment. The creation of a

590
00:49:26,740 --> 00:49:40,320
Now tree fund will provide funds to replace trees in public areas and to assist those who are financially insecure and must remove disease trees.

591
00:49:40,970 --> 00:49:48,970
It's a very helpful innovation. The law seeks to correct problems that have occurred in the past

592
00:49:48,970 --> 00:49:49,590
years.

593
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:59,060
The requirement, ultimately, to notify one's neighbors of intended tree removal, is

594
00:49:59,060 --> 00:50:07,760
common courtesy. And a sharing of information that might be relevant to a neighbor's future planning.

595
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:12,880
I, too, had an impact of the tree removal on my property.

596
00:50:14,060 --> 00:50:21,540
I think we can work together to not only enhance our properties, but at the same time make

597
00:50:21,540 --> 00:50:27,780
decisions that will benefit our community and the environment too.

598
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:33,940
By adhering to the specific procedures in the revised chapter to 16.

599
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:35,040
Thank you.

600
00:50:49,770 --> 00:50:55,490
Good evening, my name is Dora Ashley and I'm a resident of Hardstale and the last three

601
00:50:55,490 --> 00:51:01,870
Ordinance hearing I spoke about replacement trees and I would like to talk again about replacement trees

602
00:51:03,870 --> 00:51:11,170
In chapter 20 to 60 section eight in standards for pyramids replacement of trees. It says

603
00:51:11,170 --> 00:51:17,470
Replacement trees shall be a minimum two inch caliper size for the city's trees.

604
00:51:17,730 --> 00:51:22,330
Last time we were told that two caliper tree is not tall.

605
00:51:23,050 --> 00:51:28,730
According to American standard for nursery stock, two caliper, the city's tree is on average

606
00:51:28,730 --> 00:51:33,970
12 to 14 feet tall and at maximum 16 feet tall.

607
00:51:34,530 --> 00:51:39,170
I have planted many six foot trees in my garden so I know that many residents

608
00:51:39,170 --> 00:51:46,110
would be able to plant six foot trees themselves. However, for 12, 12, to 14 foot tree,

609
00:51:46,450 --> 00:51:53,210
one would have to hire a landscaper. Today I emailed you all a link where it says that it could

610
00:51:53,210 --> 00:52:02,090
cost from 1,200 to 1,900 depending on a tree to install a 12 to 15 foot tree. Planting a tree

611
00:52:02,090 --> 00:52:06,790
shouldn't be economically punishing, it should be something that people could afford and do

612
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:12,210
themselves without breaking a bank. I proposed that you changed two inch caliper requirement

613
00:52:12,210 --> 00:52:19,050
to six foot tall tree. During Hurricane Sandy, I lost more than 10 trees in my garden. According

614
00:52:19,050 --> 00:52:24,910
to this ordinance, I would have to replace the street with 12 foot tall trees. It would present

615
00:52:24,910 --> 00:52:30,310
a big financial burden to a homeowner if the town would dictate replacement of a big number

616
00:52:30,310 --> 00:52:35,490
of trees at once. There should be a very lenient measuring place on how to replace the trees

617
00:52:35,490 --> 00:52:37,250
the catastrophic storms.

618
00:52:39,470 --> 00:52:42,770
Today I emailed my suggestion to the entire board and I urge you to

619
00:52:42,770 --> 00:52:48,270
consider them as their pointing out to many omissions. I wrote my remarks from experience

620
00:52:48,270 --> 00:52:51,050
maintaining a property with many trees.

621
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:55,870
I don't think this ordinance is enough punitive towards

622
00:52:55,870 --> 00:53:02,470
our development. It seems to be more punitive towards our homeowners as far as I know to developers

623
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:09,470
have applied to remove hundreds of trees. Between Maplewood Project and Hortsdale and Shoperide

624
00:53:09,470 --> 00:53:17,410
in Ensford, they are applying to remove around 600 trees. If we add to it, Metropolis

625
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:26,570
it might reach a number of thousand. I would like to know what is going to happen with these applications.

626
00:53:29,860 --> 00:53:30,360
Thank

627
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:35,980
you.

628
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,240
Elaine Taylor Gordon.

629
00:53:48,730 --> 00:53:50,490
Do you want to just know my name?

630
00:53:51,110 --> 00:53:51,590
You got it?

631
00:53:51,870 --> 00:53:52,170
Okay.

632
00:53:52,830 --> 00:53:53,410
Hello, everyone.

633
00:53:54,730 --> 00:53:58,610
I think that I shall never see a poem lovely as a tree.

634
00:53:59,230 --> 00:54:00,510
I'm quoting Joyce Kermer.

635
00:54:01,070 --> 00:54:03,490
Because I want you to understand, I'm not against trees.

636
00:54:03,690 --> 00:54:04,450
I love trees.

637
00:54:05,110 --> 00:54:08,810
I have shy of an acre of property that is loaded with trees.

638
00:54:09,330 --> 00:54:11,550
Two and a half years ago when I moved to Greenberg,

639
00:54:11,550 --> 00:54:20,350
I had to remove 60 down trees from the property left for me by the previous homeowner who could not afford to haul them away.

640
00:54:20,830 --> 00:54:23,670
He didn't cut them. They were down by Mother Nature.

641
00:54:24,750 --> 00:54:30,810
We're talking about the deep frustration of the cannabis.

642
00:54:31,450 --> 00:54:37,590
And we're assuming that this is all caused by development that developers are causing the trees to be cut down.

643
00:54:37,590 --> 00:54:40,750
or that our neighbors are cutting down trees willing nearly.

644
00:54:41,570 --> 00:54:43,750
I'm sure that there are some developers in there

645
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:45,490
are some neighbors who have done this.

646
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:48,390
But I think that the majority of trees that are down

647
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:52,310
are down by wings, storms, hurricanes,

648
00:54:52,890 --> 00:54:54,750
and they go down every day.

649
00:54:55,450 --> 00:54:57,290
In the storm of cut with weeks ago,

650
00:54:57,630 --> 00:54:58,850
I lost two more trees.

651
00:54:59,290 --> 00:55:02,950
Now, don't cry for me because I have hundreds of trees in my property.

652
00:55:03,830 --> 00:55:06,370
I also took down 50 trees of my own,

653
00:55:06,370 --> 00:55:12,250
which were diseased, or leaning, or falling, or when we were renovating our house,

654
00:55:12,490 --> 00:55:16,190
people felt that they were in the way of what we needed to do.

655
00:55:16,570 --> 00:55:23,050
But I also repented 63's, but I didn't repaint 62 caliber trees.

656
00:55:23,930 --> 00:55:29,050
My objection to this ordinance is not that I don't like trees.

657
00:55:29,130 --> 00:55:31,510
I know trees prevent soil erosion.

658
00:55:32,070 --> 00:55:35,730
I know that they lower air conditioning bills.

659
00:55:35,730 --> 00:55:40,670
I know that they add to the beauty of our lives to be able to look at on something green.

660
00:55:41,150 --> 00:55:48,430
I know that when you cut trees you affect the birds and I have loads of birds and butterflies that have come back.

661
00:55:49,890 --> 00:55:53,070
So I'm not against that. Let me tell you what bothers me.

662
00:55:54,370 --> 00:56:00,770
The process, which I mentioned on November 13th, I felt was a stealth mission.

663
00:56:00,770 --> 00:56:10,990
I felt that the ordinance was being put through without proper opportunity for the community to know what was going on and to express their wishes.

664
00:56:11,610 --> 00:56:18,870
And I feel that, as the Lord, you have an obligation to at least let us speak about what being done.

665
00:56:19,110 --> 00:56:30,230
I mean, you're six people or seven people, I guess, and seven people cannot make a determination without getting some feedback from the constituency.

666
00:56:30,930 --> 00:56:35,790
So, my third objection is cost.

667
00:56:37,790 --> 00:56:40,970
This puts the financial responsibility on the homeowner.

668
00:56:41,390 --> 00:56:43,670
Now, look around you in Greenberg.

669
00:56:43,890 --> 00:56:46,210
Not everybody is a wealthy person.

670
00:56:46,750 --> 00:56:50,630
We are not all people from Edgeman to be the most wealthy,

671
00:56:50,970 --> 00:56:55,390
although I think they are probably people of both throughout Greenberg and every part.

672
00:56:56,670 --> 00:56:59,170
We have a lot of retired people in our community.

673
00:56:59,170 --> 00:57:06,550
This is an all-community and the age of most of the constituents is up there, there are

674
00:57:06,550 --> 00:57:07,530
fixed incomes.

675
00:57:08,070 --> 00:57:10,610
They can't afford to replace every tree.

676
00:57:10,970 --> 00:57:40,950
That needs to come down. I really believe that we should take down any invasive species, any disease trees. I do not want to see that any of my trees are going to add to Dutch end disease or any other kind of disease. However, we have taxpayers. We have paying taxes to maintain the infrastructure. If there are tree decisions that have to be made, and I'm sure that they are valid ones, I believe that the

677
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:47,590
community has to pay for this as part of the taxes that we pay in to maintain the infrastructure.

678
00:57:48,970 --> 00:57:55,390
No one has mentioned that. We need to have a tree fund. These trees will not plan to buy

679
00:57:55,390 --> 00:58:01,870
the majority of the people in the home here, and they need to have a way that people can manage this.

680
00:58:01,890 --> 00:58:07,810
Let me give you a quick economics and then I'll stop. The cost of removing tree on an average

681
00:58:07,810 --> 00:58:08,750
is $1,500.

682
00:58:09,550 --> 00:58:13,230
I have paid as much as $3,500 to remove the treat.

683
00:58:13,970 --> 00:58:16,370
And that was not the size of my tool of treat.

684
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:18,710
My famous tool of treat that I've spoken to you about.

685
00:58:20,170 --> 00:58:26,770
The cost of purchasing, a two-carabetry is $1,500 plus in this area.

686
00:58:28,250 --> 00:58:32,250
In Lancaster, Pennsylvania, which is a relatively inexpensive area,

687
00:58:32,250 --> 00:58:43,850
the cost of removing a tree is $1900. The cost of planting a tree is $1,500, a two-cow

688
00:58:43,850 --> 00:58:50,350
up a tree. That's a big tree. I can't plant a 14-4 tree. I can't even lift it. I

689
00:58:50,350 --> 00:58:53,790
have to if I've got something that's 10 feet from home deep. Are they have to

690
00:58:53,790 --> 00:58:59,330
deliver it to me? Okay, I'm finished. I think I made my point and I thank you very much.

691
00:58:59,330 --> 00:59:00,450
Thank you.

692
00:59:04,100 --> 00:59:05,280
Jonathan Hale.

693
00:59:13,590 --> 00:59:15,310
The last name is H.A. L.E.

694
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:18,090
The first name is J.O. and H.A.

695
00:59:19,970 --> 00:59:22,890
Good evening, Supervisor Finer and Board members.

696
00:59:23,730 --> 00:59:25,110
My name is Jonathan Hale.

697
00:59:25,610 --> 00:59:28,630
I am one-time resident of this town.

698
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:37,750
And since I was 13, I'm also a certified artist and have been one for about 25 years.

699
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:46,870
And I'm also track qualified, which is a tree risk assessment qualification, which enables me to,

700
00:59:47,550 --> 00:59:55,270
basically with some authority to assess the relative risk of a tree to target such as homes, people.

701
00:59:56,190 --> 01:00:03,570
And it allows me to, through that training, to really look at trees in a different way than many residents do,

702
01:00:03,570 --> 01:00:09,670
So I have a slightly different viewpoint on this legislation.

703
01:00:11,450 --> 01:00:19,770
I've always felt that cherry-mobile restrictions are needed, but that they fell to hit the target.

704
01:00:20,570 --> 01:00:33,550
Now, one of the facts or one of the statistics stated on the last meeting was the percentage of

705
01:00:33,550 --> 01:00:40,270
12, we're basically looking, we're including Hurricane Sandy or Superstorm Sandy, whatever

706
01:00:40,270 --> 01:00:41,190
you want to call it.

707
01:00:41,350 --> 01:00:46,370
I go back to Gloria, which I remember a hit Bronxville, terribly, and I remember the

708
01:00:46,370 --> 01:00:48,490
tornadoes that came through.

709
01:00:49,230 --> 01:00:56,910
And in my experiences, I'm sort of straddling two worlds because I sell tree work.

710
01:00:57,470 --> 01:01:00,510
I'm responsible to speak to homeowners about their trees.

711
01:01:00,510 --> 01:01:06,610
I'm responsible to assess their trees, to advise them, and in some cases I have to take

712
01:01:06,610 --> 01:01:07,190
trees down.

713
01:01:07,690 --> 01:01:11,790
So I'm sort of like a veterinarian who has to put animals down, but he also loves animals.

714
01:01:12,590 --> 01:01:15,910
I really do like trees a lot.

715
01:01:16,550 --> 01:01:25,110
And what I've found throughout my experiences is that all too often, the people that are doing

716
01:01:25,110 --> 01:01:32,990
treework and advising homeowners, miss the boat, they're not qualified,

717
01:01:35,490 --> 01:01:38,250
they advise types of treatments

718
01:01:38,250 --> 01:01:43,290
that are inadequate or inappropriate. And I think one of the things that we're not looking

719
01:01:43,290 --> 01:01:50,720
at is why some of these trees that we lose are being lost. Now, someone's mentioned that

720
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:56,580
they're lost to storms, they're lost to natural, natural occurrences, they're lost to abuse,

721
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:02,660
they're lost to people taking them down, and maybe necessarily, maybe unnecessarily.

722
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:13,800
But in analyzing the number of times, I've seen trees damaged, I've seen trees lost,

723
01:02:13,980 --> 01:02:19,700
and I've seen trees that are retained, my conclusions are slightly different in terms

724
01:02:19,700 --> 01:02:27,580
what's needed. What I think is we need a legislation that requires qualification of people

725
01:02:27,580 --> 01:02:33,920
who come on to a property and advise a homeowner is to what to do about their trees. Homeowners

726
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:40,820
need to be educated. We all need to be educated. I undergo a continuing education and my job

727
01:02:40,820 --> 01:02:47,050
is to accurately assess what the homeowner wants to do, what's available to them to do,

728
01:02:47,530 --> 01:02:51,530
And how it applies to the particular trees that I deal with.

729
01:02:53,350 --> 01:02:58,330
So, the really should be considered tree protection, proper tree maintenance.

730
01:02:59,330 --> 01:03:02,870
I mean, the most important person in your life is your doctor, not your undertaker.

731
01:03:03,250 --> 01:03:05,830
You don't want to get to the point where you have to take trees down.

732
01:03:06,370 --> 01:03:09,910
You don't want to lose a tree that you don't know why it came down, but it did.

733
01:03:11,390 --> 01:03:15,830
One of the examples I could give is today, and I'll show you a picture that I took.

734
01:03:15,830 --> 01:03:17,710
And you can all see it for where you are.

735
01:03:18,690 --> 01:03:22,230
And this is a project that was completed by a tree

736
01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:26,790
service that gets a lot of praise from social media

737
01:03:26,790 --> 01:03:28,910
because they're so reasonable.

738
01:03:30,230 --> 01:03:31,470
To me, this is very unreasonable,

739
01:03:31,970 --> 01:03:33,610
because I'm not looking at the money.

740
01:03:33,910 --> 01:03:35,050
I'm looking at the tree.

741
01:03:37,690 --> 01:03:40,450
So what I noticed, then I thought was ironic,

742
01:03:40,470 --> 01:03:41,610
because I took this picture today.

743
01:03:41,650 --> 01:03:45,230
What I noticed was about 75 feet to the right of that tree,

744
01:03:45,750 --> 01:03:51,850
There's a large twin oak, which leans out over old army road, and the power lines, which

745
01:03:51,850 --> 01:03:56,670
each stem is about, I'm going to say, 30, 32 inches in diameter, that's an enormously heavy

746
01:03:56,670 --> 01:03:57,230
organism.

747
01:03:57,870 --> 01:04:00,250
It's the weight of several school buses.

748
01:04:00,850 --> 01:04:05,590
At that point, it has no inertia, but when it starts to move, it takes a lot to stop it.

749
01:04:05,850 --> 01:04:09,330
At the base of that twin, which is a weak structure, is a gigantic hollow.

750
01:04:10,350 --> 01:04:11,770
It's a very dangerous situation.

751
01:04:12,010 --> 01:04:12,890
So what do they do?

752
01:04:13,150 --> 01:04:14,450
They pay attention to this trick.

753
01:04:14,450 --> 01:04:20,170
I would have a hard time serving that customer's desires if this is what they were, what

754
01:04:20,170 --> 01:04:20,530
except.

755
01:04:21,470 --> 01:04:29,740
Now, do they know that this is what they want it to do, that's evil.

756
01:04:30,580 --> 01:04:33,800
And then you can go to the many other things that people do to trees and you can say, well,

757
01:04:33,940 --> 01:04:36,900
they didn't remove 25% of the canopy or the crown.

758
01:04:37,660 --> 01:04:40,940
Well, so a lot, these trees are permanently damaged there.

759
01:04:40,970 --> 01:04:47,790
They're now crippled. These and these trees are in a senescent age. They're at the point where it's very hard for them to recover.

760
01:04:48,410 --> 01:04:51,630
If you could just finish the term, I'm long-winded, I know.

761
01:04:52,030 --> 01:04:58,970
But I appreciate the time, and I hope you take a different tack when you view tree protection. You have to start early.

762
01:04:58,970 --> 01:05:02,810
It has to be preventive, and it has to be done by people who know what they're doing.

763
01:05:04,170 --> 01:05:04,630
Thank you.

764
01:05:24,450 --> 01:05:28,270
I don't think I'd ever be here talking about trees.

765
01:05:28,430 --> 01:05:31,050
I think it's nice that you're trying to do something to protect trees.

766
01:05:31,710 --> 01:05:35,930
But you can have a well-intentioned law that operates improperly and unfairly.

767
01:05:36,290 --> 01:05:42,770
I like trees, I also like property rights, and I like the ability of ordinary citizens to be able to understand and comply with the law.

768
01:05:43,850 --> 01:05:47,830
The current tree ordinance, which is right here, is five pages.

769
01:05:49,290 --> 01:05:52,910
The new one that's proposed, at least going by the one I picked up outside, is 18.

770
01:05:54,970 --> 01:05:58,810
It's probably killed a lot of trees just by publishing it, but it's beside the point.

771
01:06:00,170 --> 01:06:09,850
The thing that I dislike about this proposed law is that it applies to ordinary citizens throughout all of unincorporated.

772
01:06:09,850 --> 01:06:13,990
The villages don't have to deal with this, of course, they can decide for themselves what burdens

773
01:06:13,990 --> 01:06:15,030
they want to put on their neighbors.

774
01:06:15,630 --> 01:06:18,130
Some of them don't have any rules whatsoever.

775
01:06:19,150 --> 01:06:23,570
And the ones that do, at least allow an opportunity for a hearing before their neighbors,

776
01:06:23,770 --> 01:06:26,270
of some sort, if they don't like the decision that's made.

777
01:06:28,570 --> 01:06:32,870
This ordinance says that to remove or even damage a tree greater than eight inches in

778
01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:37,090
diameter, you first need to get a permit, you have to file an application, there's a fee need

779
01:06:37,090 --> 01:06:43,270
to pay, you have to file a landscape plan which presumably means you need to hire some professional to do that.

780
01:06:44,350 --> 01:06:51,530
While the application is pending, you need to circle the tree with orange tape, you need to send copies of your application to all your neighbors and the people across the street.

781
01:06:51,970 --> 01:06:53,610
They get an opportunity to object.

782
01:06:54,590 --> 01:06:58,510
Some of the applications are decided by the time board of the planning board.

783
01:06:58,650 --> 01:07:03,510
But for most of us, it's going to be just decided by the forestry offer.

784
01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:08,510
one official who decides everything throughout the entire town for the vast majority of us.

785
01:07:08,770 --> 01:07:12,170
The forced officer can grant or deny the application with it without conditions,

786
01:07:13,070 --> 01:07:15,850
but there's nothing in the proposed statute about any sort of hearing.

787
01:07:16,550 --> 01:07:21,890
About any sort of opportunity to respond to whatever objections get made by your neighbors or by whoever.

788
01:07:22,870 --> 01:07:25,390
There's just a decision that you get notified of.

789
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:28,290
That's a due process violation. You can't do that.

790
01:07:28,430 --> 01:07:32,630
You can't just make decisions about people's property without giving them any opportunity to be heard about it.

791
01:07:32,630 --> 01:07:37,770
just can't. That's a flaw in the statute that you want to fix. It's also, by the way, very different.

792
01:07:39,750 --> 01:07:47,030
I mean, I'm going to skip ahead. The other problem I have with this proposal is, you're changing the rules under the current law.

793
01:07:47,410 --> 01:07:53,110
If someone doesn't like a decision that gets made about a tree removal, there's an appeal to you to the town board.

794
01:07:53,130 --> 01:08:00,650
They can just come here like I'm doing right now. Under this new proposed ordinance, anybody who's agreed has to file a lawsuit.

795
01:08:00,650 --> 01:08:05,650
They have to hire a lawyer and file an article 78 proceeding if they're agreed by that.

796
01:08:06,870 --> 01:08:08,870
Now, they don't have to do that for other types of permits throughout the town.

797
01:08:08,910 --> 01:08:12,270
If the building inspector denies the permit, you can appeal to the zoning board.

798
01:08:12,330 --> 01:08:15,130
There are all sorts of examples where you have an administrative right of appeal.

799
01:08:15,310 --> 01:08:18,090
You just come here and you have accountability.

800
01:08:19,670 --> 01:08:22,690
If there's a decision that gets made under the current law, they don't like it.

801
01:08:22,710 --> 01:08:23,730
You are accountable for that.

802
01:08:23,770 --> 01:08:25,350
There's an appeal before you.

803
01:08:25,770 --> 01:08:28,090
Maybe you win, maybe you lose, but you own it.

804
01:08:29,270 --> 01:08:34,710
Now, ordinary citizens who don't like the decision they made, including, by the way, if it's

805
01:08:34,710 --> 01:08:40,150
a decision they're objecting to buy one of these developers, they got to hire a lawyer

806
01:08:40,150 --> 01:08:41,230
and go file a lawsuit.

807
01:08:42,890 --> 01:08:44,910
How do you think that's going to work out against the developer?

808
01:08:45,090 --> 01:08:47,470
Can the developer afford to hire a lawyer?

809
01:08:48,350 --> 01:08:49,390
I think they can.

810
01:08:50,310 --> 01:08:53,250
Can the ordinary person who doesn't like the decision that's made to hire a lawyer?

811
01:08:54,050 --> 01:08:58,370
You're going to go to court, you're going to have to file an article 78, it's going to

812
01:08:58,370 --> 01:09:02,470
be tied up for years because it is not going to be anywhere near the priority of the court.

813
01:09:03,290 --> 01:09:04,790
And then you're going to lose.

814
01:09:06,130 --> 01:09:10,790
And the reason you're going to lose is because the courts just going to ask whether it's within the statutory

815
01:09:10,790 --> 01:09:15,890
authority of the forestry official who has carte blanche authority under the statute.

816
01:09:16,450 --> 01:09:19,690
There's incredibly broad delegation of authority of the forestry officer.

817
01:09:20,530 --> 01:09:23,630
So I applaud you for trying to do something good for the environment.

818
01:09:23,790 --> 01:09:24,370
I really do.

819
01:09:24,410 --> 01:09:25,610
I think that's a great thing.

820
01:09:26,150 --> 01:09:31,030
But I think the way you've gone about doing it in this statute does not sufficiently protect

821
01:09:31,630 --> 01:09:33,710
the property rights of the residents of this town.

822
01:09:34,490 --> 01:09:38,490
Ordinary citizens, you're expanding this to cover anybody who has property less than an acre,

823
01:09:39,090 --> 01:09:39,930
which has never been the case.

824
01:09:40,030 --> 01:09:44,330
And I don't think that you give them a fair opportunity to be heard if they object to decisions

825
01:09:44,330 --> 01:09:49,570
that are made about their own property or about neighboring properties that affect them.

826
01:09:51,230 --> 01:09:53,150
Thank you for letting me be heard.

827
01:09:53,450 --> 01:09:53,690
Thank you.

828
01:10:01,330 --> 01:10:01,450
Thank you.

829
01:10:01,450 --> 01:10:01,690
Thank you.

830
01:10:01,730 --> 01:10:02,250
It's very hooking.

831
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:11,970
Thank you.

832
01:10:12,510 --> 01:10:12,750
Good evening.

833
01:10:17,470 --> 01:10:19,790
I addressed you last time.

834
01:10:20,250 --> 01:10:24,450
If you had known my comments about hazard trees, I already made my fear that one of them

835
01:10:24,450 --> 01:10:26,010
is gonna fall onto my house, really.

836
01:10:26,690 --> 01:10:28,490
One of these days, and the next big storm,

837
01:10:31,070 --> 01:10:33,850
I expressed this concern here.

838
01:10:34,050 --> 01:10:35,290
What is it?

839
01:10:35,290 --> 01:10:37,270
about a month ago a little, but not even a month ago,

840
01:10:37,410 --> 01:10:38,910
it was earlier this month, right?

841
01:10:38,910 --> 01:10:39,950
On the 13th, I believe.

842
01:10:41,210 --> 01:10:43,370
I can have to be 13th there, I think, two weeks ago.

843
01:10:44,310 --> 01:10:49,190
Anyway, on the 15th, a lawyer for a set home

844
01:10:49,190 --> 01:10:52,530
and association that I'm dealing with drafted a letter,

845
01:10:54,500 --> 01:10:57,580
accusing me of putting a garden in an easement

846
01:10:57,580 --> 01:10:59,620
and a conservation easement right next to my house.

847
01:10:59,940 --> 01:11:02,320
I didn't put the garden there, but somebody else.

848
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:08,040
And they connect that issue with my request to remove hazardous trees.

849
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:21,380
So I just wanted to bring this to your attention because I think there ought to be some way for a resident of this town to be protected from nuisance or hazards or dangers.

850
01:11:21,860 --> 01:11:30,620
Just like we protect ourselves from noise contamination from loud noise or if what else can there be?

851
01:11:30,620 --> 01:11:33,240
I mean, construction activity on the weekends, that kind of thing.

852
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:35,400
This is, I think it hazardous trees more dangerous.

853
01:11:36,100 --> 01:11:38,800
And following up on this gentleman who is a tree expert,

854
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:41,420
I think there is a special expertise needed

855
01:11:41,420 --> 01:11:43,280
if you're dealing with hazardous trees.

856
01:11:43,860 --> 01:11:45,720
There are sometimes rotten trees that you can see

857
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:49,060
from the outside as an ecologist.

858
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:52,660
I see it because I see fungal growth on the tree.

859
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,180
I've often told there is nothing wrong with the tree

860
01:11:56,180 --> 01:11:58,120
and then we cut the tree down through enough, it was hollow.

861
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:04,120
You know, there are signs that you can see that a normal artist doesn't necessarily almost see.

862
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:08,900
You can see the trees go, it's nice and growing and this walks past the tree and says nothing wrong with it.

863
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:10,940
And that's my my car.

864
01:12:10,970 --> 01:12:16,970
I don't want to make it too long for you here, but my comment is essentially a little bit

865
01:12:17,990 --> 01:12:23,750
protection for the homeowner, even if I'm not. I mean, I can cut, if the tree is on my own property, I can cut it down.

866
01:12:24,010 --> 01:12:29,110
The law allows for the draft law allows for this. But if it was my neighbor's property, I can't do anything about it.

867
01:12:30,770 --> 01:12:37,970
And if you can find a way to incorporate that, that I'm protected to as a neighbor, I think it would really appreciate that.

868
01:12:37,970 --> 01:12:38,970
Thank you.

869
01:12:42,330 --> 01:12:43,510
Bob Bernstein.

870
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:48,380
Mike and Aaron.

871
01:12:49,340 --> 01:12:49,460
Mike?

872
01:12:50,900 --> 01:12:52,260
To be going to send the front rows.

873
01:12:52,700 --> 01:12:52,980
I'm sorry.

874
01:12:53,100 --> 01:12:55,980
He'd have to learn the whisper or move the tack.

875
01:12:56,480 --> 01:12:57,300
It's very difficult.

876
01:12:58,580 --> 01:12:59,480
It's very difficult.

877
01:12:59,580 --> 01:13:01,580
But it also means you're not paying attention to the speaker.

878
01:13:04,130 --> 01:13:04,450
Good evening.

879
01:13:05,930 --> 01:13:08,630
I want to make a couple of points.

880
01:13:09,490 --> 01:13:14,610
First, again, I want to stress that the edge of my community council has not an opportunity to weigh in

881
01:13:14,610 --> 01:13:20,790
on this law, our first meeting to discuss it will not be until the 1st of December, or

882
01:13:20,790 --> 01:13:27,250
the 1st Monday in December, and we like the opportunity to be able to get advance the

883
01:13:27,250 --> 01:13:32,390
ECC's directors to weigh in on this. I asked that the last time and you scheduled the hearing

884
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:38,710
for tonight. So I would urge you not to close the hearing and allow us to speak again.

885
01:13:38,710 --> 01:13:53,650
With respect to the issues I wish to speak on tonight, I want to reinforce what Blair said about the statute and the way it was drafted.

886
01:13:54,450 --> 01:14:01,090
In my judgment, this draft will not work. It does violate due process.

887
01:14:01,090 --> 01:14:10,090
It can be fixed and should be fixed, but let me try to underscore exactly what's wrong with it.

888
01:14:11,090 --> 01:14:18,330
The fact that you in Section H, which I read out loud last time, require notice to the neighbors,

889
01:14:18,890 --> 01:14:21,450
before the Forestry Officer makes his decision.

890
01:14:22,570 --> 01:14:29,870
And the fact that in that notice, you solicit comments from neighbors to be given to the Forestry Officer.

891
01:14:29,870 --> 01:14:40,590
Before he makes his decision, is what makes this a violation of due process because then the applicant will get the decision,

892
01:14:41,450 --> 01:14:49,850
but he will not have had an opportunity to be heard in respect of any of the comments that neighbors might have made that may have affected the decision.

893
01:14:49,850 --> 01:14:54,730
I'll try to imagine that if a neighbor said something and the applicant who would not have

894
01:14:54,730 --> 01:14:59,930
received notice of it, doesn't know that that was a factor in Aaron's decision.

895
01:15:01,270 --> 01:15:05,410
The applicant's only recourse is to go directly to court.

896
01:15:06,030 --> 01:15:14,110
He doesn't have the opportunity to seek an administrative appeal before whatever administrative

897
01:15:15,090 --> 01:15:16,970
thing you set up.

898
01:15:16,970 --> 01:15:20,810
which you currently have now, and you are eliminating.

899
01:15:22,850 --> 01:15:27,530
There are other villages in the town, and I think Blair alluded to this.

900
01:15:27,730 --> 01:15:32,370
Three villages, by the way, do not regulate private property trees at all.

901
01:15:32,590 --> 01:15:34,410
Hastings doesn't.

902
01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:35,230
Artsly doesn't.

903
01:15:35,650 --> 01:15:36,590
Elm's for does not.

904
01:15:37,250 --> 01:15:38,970
But the three that do.

905
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:43,010
Tarytown, Irvington, and Dobbs.

906
01:15:43,390 --> 01:15:45,830
Each provide for administrative review.

907
01:15:45,830 --> 01:15:48,550
And they're very careful about it.

908
01:15:48,850 --> 01:15:53,110
In smaller villages like Irvington and Dobs,

909
01:15:53,690 --> 01:15:56,170
you can appeal to the village board of trustees.

910
01:15:57,630 --> 01:16:00,950
Terry Town actually goes even further

911
01:16:00,950 --> 01:16:04,550
and creates a seven-member tree commission

912
01:16:04,550 --> 01:16:07,050
to decide these things on appeal

913
01:16:07,050 --> 01:16:10,350
from the forestry officer or the person designated

914
01:16:10,350 --> 01:16:11,170
with responsibility.

915
01:16:11,170 --> 01:16:20,330
And they actually provide for the forestry officer sits on the commission, the Billion Spectre

916
01:16:20,330 --> 01:16:25,410
sits on the commission and a representative from the CAC or their equivalent, their

917
01:16:25,410 --> 01:16:31,530
officer sits on the commission. And three residents who don't have an agenda, they sit on

918
01:16:31,530 --> 01:16:36,510
the commission that decides appeals from residents who are concerned that the application

919
01:16:36,510 --> 01:16:38,110
was not treated fairly.

920
01:16:39,170 --> 01:16:44,270
That's what Terry Town does, there are about 14,000 people, that's basically a third

921
01:16:44,270 --> 01:16:46,770
of the size of unincorporated greenberg.

922
01:16:47,010 --> 01:16:51,250
They went to the trouble to make sure that the appeal right was there.

923
01:16:52,090 --> 01:16:54,750
You obliterated it, eliminated it completely.

924
01:16:55,810 --> 01:17:01,930
If you're going to go after private property owners and I would love to ask some of those

925
01:17:01,930 --> 01:17:06,290
who feel so strongly about this, why they feel so strongly about it.

926
01:17:06,290 --> 01:17:12,150
And interestingly, they said, because we had a neighbor who was on property less than an

927
01:17:12,150 --> 01:17:16,550
acre, who cut down trees and we were offended by it, it bothered us.

928
01:17:16,870 --> 01:17:18,050
Well, okay, fair enough.

929
01:17:18,510 --> 01:17:24,710
But I'm also in agreement that large trees on small properties that come down could very

930
01:17:24,710 --> 01:17:29,250
well create a problem on a neighboring property, or it could create flooding issues.

931
01:17:29,590 --> 01:17:32,970
They do require experts to make sure it's being done right.

932
01:17:32,970 --> 01:17:40,150
And it's fair to require that, I think, but it's also fair to require that there be a

933
01:17:40,150 --> 01:17:46,630
right of appeal, because I can assure you that if there's no right of appeal, this statute

934
01:17:46,630 --> 01:17:51,590
will be declared unconstitutional because it violates the 14th Amendment due process, right?

935
01:17:52,010 --> 01:17:57,190
And you could easily fix it if you would allow the opportunity for us to be able to work

936
01:17:57,190 --> 01:18:01,010
with you to get it fixed, but as it stands, it doesn't work.

937
01:18:01,010 --> 01:18:10,630
remember, I've been before you on appeals of tree cutting permit. You eliminate that here, and I don't know why.

938
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:32,080
Patricia Williams, that's WEMS, and I view on behalf of the Fairground Civic Association and I'm also, would like to speak on behalf of the Fairview Civic Association.

939
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:37,380
And after listening to this gentleman, I don't know his name, I am glad he stated what

940
01:18:37,380 --> 01:18:43,400
he did because it was a completely different from a perspective that I had not even looked

941
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:44,040
at.

942
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:50,300
In my community, it is no way, it's under an acre, there is no way that anybody is going

943
01:18:50,300 --> 01:18:54,260
to be able to pay, $7,000 for any removal of one tree.

944
01:18:55,080 --> 01:19:00,320
And that tree is probably going to fall on the home of the individual who owns that property.

945
01:19:01,140 --> 01:19:08,360
And we have quite a few there because the trees in my community are over a hundred years old.

946
01:19:09,140 --> 01:19:16,560
So now if I'm speaking to the Deputy Commissioner for the Department of Community Resources Affairs.

947
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:27,780
Then you have not taken in consideration the community that I live in and how you can see to it that there is some type of justice.

948
01:19:27,780 --> 01:19:35,860
You're telling me that they have to go to court, higher lawyer, to do one of those things, and I think that's a bit much.

949
01:19:36,460 --> 01:19:40,940
If one person here spent over $7,000 to remove a tree...

950
01:19:40,970 --> 01:19:55,510
And then to replace it, that's $25,000 easily. So where is that money supposed to come from in my community? I expect you to address the issue, but to also include what you're doing and where you're doing it.

951
01:19:55,850 --> 01:20:02,550
And if this is only for a part of Greenberg, the unincorporated area, you need to turn around and take a look at what you've stated.

952
01:20:03,450 --> 01:20:11,810
With this, I naturally am against the ordinance that is going to put an undue burden on the people who live in my community.

953
01:20:12,810 --> 01:20:21,350
So I would like to tell the board, I hope you can look at this and come up with something that is workable and doable to everyone in the town.

954
01:20:21,350 --> 01:20:30,030
or remove anybody who has less than an acre of property, remove some of the things that you are

955
01:20:30,030 --> 01:20:36,090
stating that everybody who has born then an acre has to do.

956
01:20:37,050 --> 01:20:38,070
Thank you very much.

957
01:20:42,830 --> 01:20:43,990
Here, Goldenheimer,

958
01:20:49,770 --> 01:20:51,150
Lorraine Kenshorry,

959
01:21:04,500 --> 01:21:08,480
good evening, Supervisor Finer and Tom Board and everyone

960
01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:10,660
who came out here tonight.

961
01:21:11,780 --> 01:21:14,100
I want to thank the artist for coming here.

962
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:15,260
I'll let you tell you something.

963
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:18,900
I have the utmost respect for everything

964
01:21:18,900 --> 01:21:25,540
you said about the care that an artist takes to make sure

965
01:21:25,540 --> 01:21:27,020
that they're doing the right thing.

966
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:32,980
And those photos that you held up, the butchery of beautiful trees,

967
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:35,280
is actually really disturbing to me.

968
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:43,140
And I just wanted to say that there should be a way that these companies are coming, whatever

969
01:21:43,140 --> 01:21:52,820
companies they are have standards that contribute to the beauty of the landscape instead

970
01:21:52,820 --> 01:21:57,340
of like an eye so I think a telephone pole would probably be more attractive at that point.

971
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:15,160
I also believe that the ordinance is going to inspire neglect because there will be individuals that are not going to want to go through the process of filing of dealing with neighbors, I'm very lucky I like all my neighbors.

972
01:22:16,380 --> 01:22:22,360
What if there's an A, but that just doesn't want anything done, and it just holds up the project?

973
01:22:23,140 --> 01:22:27,540
I think that the level of neglect could contribute to trees,

974
01:22:27,580 --> 01:22:30,640
falling, breaking houses, and entering, et cetera.

975
01:22:32,700 --> 01:22:40,120
As far as my abilities, there's definitely, there's definitely, I was swarm of my abilities.

976
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:43,220
They, you know, common sense is not so common these days.

977
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:49,160
There are some people that will ignore the problem until it becomes, you know, catastrophic, okay?

978
01:22:50,580 --> 01:22:55,580
And another thing I mentioned last week, and I don't know if anybody even paid close attention to this,

979
01:22:55,840 --> 01:23:05,040
why do the reasons why trees are becoming disease is that there are people that have fiber that's brought in from all over the place,

980
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:10,380
And, you know, there are insects that harbor, there's a lot of invasive species across New

981
01:23:10,380 --> 01:23:16,980
York state, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, and we need to have a wave that, if anyone's

982
01:23:16,980 --> 01:23:21,400
growing five-word, you know, there were the fact that they could be being five-worded, and

983
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:26,980
the insects could, you know, proliferate on the property, the lava could burn into the trees,

984
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:35,020
and, you know, you want to save money on heat, and yet it's going to question thousands of

985
01:23:35,020 --> 01:23:40,920
Okay, so I really think that's something that is very important to do with the invasive species

986
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:46,000
will slowly decimate and destroy the canopy in Green Book.

987
01:23:46,380 --> 01:23:47,720
Thank you again. Have a good evening.

988
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:53,640
Eric, Senior.

989
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:00,520
Okay.

990
01:24:01,340 --> 01:24:02,100
Elopriser?

991
01:24:21,330 --> 01:24:22,090
Elopriser?

992
01:24:25,190 --> 01:24:27,170
Like Bob Bernstein.

993
01:24:27,170 --> 01:24:33,750
And I am going to ask that you put this over so that the Council of Greenberg Civic

994
01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:38,210
Association has the opportunity to discuss it.

995
01:24:38,570 --> 01:24:46,130
The Council will be meeting that first Tuesday in December, December 3, I believe it is.

996
01:24:47,770 --> 01:24:56,930
Quite frankly, I do not feel that there has been enough information on this proposed

997
01:24:56,930 --> 01:25:01,510
law, which will impact every property owner in the town.

998
01:25:03,010 --> 01:25:10,090
The very first discussion on it, not a public hearing, where certain people spoke, but

999
01:25:10,090 --> 01:25:15,030
the first discussion took place at the planning board last week.

1000
01:25:15,770 --> 01:25:20,990
And yet there was no previous notice that this was going to happen or anything.

1001
01:25:20,990 --> 01:25:26,690
I think it's important that people really understand what is being proposed.

1002
01:25:27,670 --> 01:25:29,790
I have a number of comments.

1003
01:25:30,190 --> 01:25:31,770
I have not had the time.

1004
01:25:32,010 --> 01:25:35,710
I have a whole bunch of things going on in my life right now.

1005
01:25:35,770 --> 01:25:40,110
And I have not had the time to sit down and put my comments and writing.

1006
01:25:40,650 --> 01:25:43,830
But I have numerous concerns about this law.

1007
01:25:43,830 --> 01:25:53,010
One of them, Blair Connelly, and Bob Bernstein brought up is this whole business that there's nothing except

1008
01:25:53,010 --> 01:25:56,250
file and expensive lawsuit if you disagree.

1009
01:25:58,070 --> 01:26:08,150
Why are most other codes in the town providing for an appeal process, but why are trees different?

1010
01:26:09,230 --> 01:26:18,210
There are so many simple little things I have comments written on almost every page of this document.

1011
01:26:18,590 --> 01:26:25,930
I don't have time to do this right now, but I ask that you hold this over.

1012
01:26:27,390 --> 01:26:38,030
What is the rush? Please tell me, what is the urgent rush? The first hearing wasn't even two weeks ago.

1013
01:26:38,030 --> 01:26:41,630
This is a third hearing and less than two weeks.

1014
01:26:42,270 --> 01:26:48,710
Is that really sufficient outest to the community to get out just because you've helped three hearings?

1015
01:26:50,250 --> 01:26:52,310
I don't understand it.

1016
01:26:52,830 --> 01:26:59,010
As you know, anybody who has worked with me over many, many years in this town, I'm a nitpicker.

1017
01:26:59,850 --> 01:27:03,870
And there are things in this law that I find troubling.

1018
01:27:04,830 --> 01:27:10,950
I have a problem when you have misplaced modifiers when you do not

1019
01:27:10,970 --> 01:27:21,230
Follow normal construction procedure and what have you. Maybe you all don't think that's important. I don't know.

1020
01:27:22,170 --> 01:27:35,890
But I really want to know what is the rush. Is there a reason that this has been going on? We've had the existing law on the books for years, as you know.

1021
01:27:37,610 --> 01:27:48,170
Simple little question, what about, and you do have to know, I've had any number of phone calls regarding this over the last two weeks in my house.

1022
01:27:48,650 --> 01:27:58,910
And I've tried to advise people, I'm not opposed to this per se, but I am opposed to the way it's written.

1023
01:27:58,910 --> 01:28:06,650
I don't know that I even know, for instance, it says you can't cut down, remove or top

1024
01:28:06,650 --> 01:28:12,550
of tree without getting a permit first. If I get a permit, can I top of tree?

1025
01:28:14,670 --> 01:28:15,850
Can this be

1026
01:28:15,850 --> 01:28:20,210
professionally done? This is what you have written here.

1027
01:28:22,610 --> 01:28:25,650
If I get a permit, can I cause

1028
01:28:25,650 --> 01:28:30,270
some kind of action to the critical routes out.

1029
01:28:30,630 --> 01:28:33,170
That's what you're lost, that is.

1030
01:28:35,990 --> 01:28:37,610
I'm not going to go on.

1031
01:28:37,630 --> 01:28:39,150
I only have 46 minutes.

1032
01:28:39,610 --> 01:28:41,490
Please put this over.

1033
01:28:43,110 --> 01:28:51,850
Let the community work with you to create a law that is that will possibly work with the community.

1034
01:28:51,850 --> 01:28:56,410
Right now, I think what is written is terribly onerous.

1035
01:28:57,350 --> 01:29:00,190
It won't be onerous on you, Ms. Hendricks.

1036
01:29:00,470 --> 01:29:04,290
It won't be entered onerous on Mr. Feiner.

1037
01:29:05,050 --> 01:29:09,330
And it won't be onerous on Diana Jockner.

1038
01:29:09,810 --> 01:29:11,250
What do you think is oner?

1039
01:29:11,250 --> 01:29:19,990
Because they live in condominiums and Diana lives in a village, and she will not have

1040
01:29:19,990 --> 01:29:23,250
to comply with this law, can you will have to comply?

1041
01:29:23,990 --> 01:29:24,390
I'm there.

1042
01:29:24,790 --> 01:29:25,490
I beg your pardon?

1043
01:29:25,510 --> 01:29:27,650
Thank you, but that was unclear of what you've

1044
01:29:27,650 --> 01:29:28,630
based on a session on.

1045
01:29:28,790 --> 01:29:33,950
OK, but only you and Francis will have to comply with this law.

1046
01:29:34,670 --> 01:29:39,990
So I'm asking you all, especially those of you who will not be

1047
01:29:39,990 --> 01:29:44,030
impacted, to give the community a little bit more time on this.

1048
01:29:44,170 --> 01:29:45,250
I thank you.

1049
01:29:51,190 --> 01:29:55,110
Sir, Mr. Governor, you did science speak.

1050
01:30:05,140 --> 01:30:07,900
Supervisor Feinertown board, thank you.

1051
01:30:08,180 --> 01:30:10,100
So tonight, we've heard a Peter Guggenheimer,

1052
01:30:10,380 --> 01:30:14,920
G-U-G-G-E-N-H-E-I-M-E-R.

1053
01:30:15,460 --> 01:30:18,600
So tonight, we've heard a lot of thoughtful people,

1054
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:21,400
state issues that they've had with the law,

1055
01:30:21,820 --> 01:30:23,760
Jonathan Hale, who I know is advocating

1056
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:26,180
for more professional standards

1057
01:30:26,180 --> 01:30:29,680
in taking care of trees, which I think is a great idea.

1058
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:32,540
I can't really address anything about the right

1059
01:30:32,540 --> 01:30:36,880
appeal because I'm not a lawyer. I'm sure the lawyers and the audience can argue that.

1060
01:30:37,820 --> 01:30:44,560
They're probably enough of them here. In terms of a neighborhood associations not having enough time to weigh in on this.

1061
01:30:44,580 --> 01:30:50,500
This is now the third public hearing. Even though neighborhood associations have regular meetings.

1062
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:55,400
They can parole and talk to each other via chats via a phone.

1063
01:30:57,220 --> 01:31:03,420
Certainly, one neighborhood association in EdgeMot has already weighed in and been in favor

1064
01:31:03,420 --> 01:31:11,940
of the law, and as to claims of not enough time to review it, it's been 45 years since

1065
01:31:11,940 --> 01:31:15,280
we've changed this law, it's time to move on it.

1066
01:31:15,340 --> 01:31:21,500
I urge the board to not hold this over indefinitely, not to let it get wrapped up and lost

1067
01:31:21,500 --> 01:31:29,360
when in the discussions of the budget and to do what you can to move this law, even if

1068
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:35,280
it's imperfect, forward, get it on the books and thank you, let's say.

1069
01:31:37,830 --> 01:31:45,670
Aaron, I just had a question, the question about condos, my understanding is that everybody,

1070
01:31:46,590 --> 01:31:49,250
you know, would have to comply, would you just be able to clarify that?

1071
01:31:52,010 --> 01:32:01,570
Yes, supervisor Finer, you're absolutely right, so on any property within the town would be required to comply with the proposed tree ordinance.

1072
01:32:02,210 --> 01:32:02,850
Okay.

1073
01:32:03,430 --> 01:32:09,970
I also have other remarks or responses, but I'm not sure if the public's done speaking yet.

1074
01:32:10,630 --> 01:32:14,630
Okay, so we don't have any further requests to speak on this public hearing.

1075
01:32:15,350 --> 01:32:23,010
Okay, so I'm happy to address a number of matters I took some notes while folks from the public were speaking.

1076
01:32:24,790 --> 01:32:29,530
First off, with respect to the tree replacement size,

1077
01:32:30,110 --> 01:32:34,690
some had mentioned that a two-inch tree is just too large and too costly.

1078
01:32:35,790 --> 01:32:40,470
I did some research on my own, and I do have it upstairs, I apologize I don't have it with me.

1079
01:32:40,470 --> 01:32:50,110
But I looked at three local nurseries for cost of trees at the size that we had indicated in the draft law.

1080
01:32:50,710 --> 01:32:58,550
And for two inch caliber, deciduous trees, the range was approximately $250 to $350 on average.

1081
01:32:58,550 --> 01:33:09,580
a six foot high ever and somewhere less I'm giving you know an average six so we're

1082
01:33:10,210 --> 01:33:15,170
as as written to inch caliber replacement tree for deciduous and then for ever

1083
01:33:15,170 --> 01:33:22,950
greens we have a six foot in height standard and those trees were approximately between

1084
01:33:22,950 --> 01:33:24,370
$200 and $300.

1085
01:33:25,330 --> 01:33:29,250
So I had heard about $1,500 plus and I just wanted to state,

1086
01:33:29,310 --> 01:33:30,290
I have that information.

1087
01:33:30,570 --> 01:33:31,650
It's upstairs in my office.

1088
01:33:31,710 --> 01:33:34,390
I'm happy to run upstairs and bring it down.

1089
01:33:37,750 --> 01:33:38,630
I'm sorry.

1090
01:33:39,670 --> 01:33:41,630
No, that's the cost per unit.

1091
01:33:44,750 --> 01:33:44,850
Right.

1092
01:33:44,850 --> 01:33:48,950
Well, someone had said that, could you go down to a six foot tree?

1093
01:33:49,250 --> 01:33:51,870
In fact, for Evergreen's, we are at a six foot tree.

1094
01:33:52,250 --> 01:33:53,410
So I want to clarify the record.

1095
01:33:53,410 --> 01:33:53,810
let

1096
01:33:56,690 --> 01:34:05,270
me move on. With respect to trees falling as a result of storms, trees that have

1097
01:34:05,270 --> 01:34:10,530
completely fallen over, there's no permit required, so you may go ahead clean up those

1098
01:34:10,530 --> 01:34:15,190
trees. There's no replacement required in those instances, either. The tree is completely

1099
01:34:15,190 --> 01:34:21,130
toppled over, no permit required. The only time a permit would be required is when a portion

1100
01:34:21,130 --> 01:34:26,890
of the tree still remains, that's greater than 4 feet in height, that's the height at

1101
01:34:26,890 --> 01:34:29,830
which we measure the diameter or circumference of a tree.

1102
01:34:30,450 --> 01:34:35,910
So there would be a permit required, in that instance, however, it would likely qualify

1103
01:34:35,910 --> 01:34:38,110
as a hazard tree removal permit.

1104
01:34:38,750 --> 01:34:40,950
The tree was mostly top-dinistered.

1105
01:34:40,970 --> 01:34:55,690
In short, you would be able to run through the hazard permit application process, which is a quick process, and that permit can be turned around the day you come in and file for it. So we have a process set up for that.

1106
01:34:56,370 --> 01:35:10,950
I also wanted to emphasize that with respect to replacement requirements, none in the proposed law, there are no replacement requirements for invasive disease or infested trees that property owners would like to take down.

1107
01:35:10,950 --> 01:35:20,030
Now, with respect to professionals, a licensed professional tree care company, which

1108
01:35:20,030 --> 01:35:25,810
employs at least one certified arborist, is required in connection with large tree

1109
01:35:25,810 --> 01:35:26,090
removal.

1110
01:35:27,550 --> 01:35:31,430
So, quite a bit larger than what our regulated size is.

1111
01:35:32,130 --> 01:35:37,530
And there's an opportunity with that for homeowners to get input from the certified arborist,

1112
01:35:37,530 --> 01:35:39,930
who might be able to explain to a homeowner,

1113
01:35:40,510 --> 01:35:43,730
they look, we understand that you may want to remove this tree,

1114
01:35:43,890 --> 01:35:44,930
but there are other options.

1115
01:35:45,170 --> 01:35:46,390
You may think that it's sick.

1116
01:35:46,470 --> 01:35:47,790
You may think that it's disease.

1117
01:35:48,310 --> 01:35:49,670
But I'm a certified arborist.

1118
01:35:49,890 --> 01:35:52,750
I have background in this.

1119
01:35:52,910 --> 01:35:54,870
I go for continuing education credits.

1120
01:35:54,890 --> 01:35:56,770
And I'm happy to discuss it with you further

1121
01:35:56,770 --> 01:35:59,610
to identify what your options may be.

1122
01:35:59,770 --> 01:36:02,210
So that is built into the law as well.

1123
01:36:03,050 --> 01:36:06,010
With respect to tree protection, that was brought up.

1124
01:36:06,010 --> 01:36:12,730
Tree protection is to be overseen by professional arborists in connection with development projects,

1125
01:36:13,550 --> 01:36:22,170
and they will be consulted early on in the review and design process, review and design phase of the project,

1126
01:36:22,770 --> 01:36:30,390
and can be brought on by the boards of the town to oversee provide input and make inspections.

1127
01:36:31,350 --> 01:36:33,690
With respect to neighbor, neighbor notification.

1128
01:36:33,690 --> 01:36:44,950
The neighbors do, we are proposing that neighbors do get notified as a courtesy and further to provide comments for the forestry officers consideration.

1129
01:36:46,070 --> 01:36:55,730
If objections are provided or comments are received, the applicant will be made aware of those, and a discussion will ensue with the town forestry officer.

1130
01:36:55,730 --> 01:37:03,270
With respect to appeals, we followed similar language to what is currently in the town

1131
01:37:03,270 --> 01:37:09,770
code chapter 280, entitled Wetlands and Water Quarces, to my knowledge that law has not

1132
01:37:09,770 --> 01:37:11,490
been deemed unconstitutional.

1133
01:37:14,810 --> 01:37:17,670
With respect to professional landscape plans,

1134
01:37:21,620 --> 01:37:21,620
correct?

1135
01:37:23,460 --> 01:37:29,060
With respect to professional landscape plans, those are only required on commercial properties

1136
01:37:29,060 --> 01:37:36,860
with respect, also with respect to large-scale residential projects, or for permits when more

1137
01:37:36,860 --> 01:37:43,640
than 10 trees are proposed for removal. So on the bulk of homeowner tree removal applications,

1138
01:37:44,060 --> 01:37:51,880
a professional landscape plan will not be required. With respect to the actual draft tree ordinance,

1139
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:58,760
To my knowledge, it's been on the Conservation Advisory Council's agendas dating back nearly

1140
01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:02,000
one and a half years as an agenda item.

1141
01:38:02,620 --> 01:38:07,240
So it's certainly been almost agendas which are available to the public and posted on

1142
01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:08,120
the town website.

1143
01:38:09,480 --> 01:38:10,120
And lastly,

1144
01:38:12,140 --> 01:38:18,880
with respect to Ms. Priser asking for more time, I understand her comment, but I

1145
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:26,100
I did want to note for the board that she was present at a conservation advisory council meeting.

1146
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:34,360
Approximately a month ago where I provided a PowerPoint presentation outlining the draft law and seeking comment and feedback.

1147
01:38:38,810 --> 01:38:41,950
It was provided to you immediately following is that correct?

1148
01:38:46,250 --> 01:38:46,530
Okay.

1149
01:38:57,650 --> 01:38:58,730
Thank you.

1150
01:39:04,110 --> 01:39:05,090
Thank you.

1151
01:39:05,090 --> 01:39:10,090
So, how do you want the board to handle listening?

1152
01:39:10,590 --> 01:39:11,290
I can't hear you.

1153
01:39:11,390 --> 01:39:14,750
I'm asking any recommendations from the board.

1154
01:39:15,010 --> 01:39:17,730
Should we close the hearing today or do we want?

1155
01:39:19,690 --> 01:39:25,590
I think we should give you the opportunity to have everything else.

1156
01:39:25,890 --> 01:39:27,070
When is our next meeting?

1157
01:39:33,630 --> 01:39:36,150
We're going to hold this over to December 11.

1158
01:39:36,550 --> 01:39:40,850
We're hoping that in the meantime Britain comments will come into us

1159
01:39:40,850 --> 01:39:42,270
so that they can work on it.

1160
01:39:42,710 --> 01:39:45,610
So that we're not surprised on September 11.

1161
01:39:45,610 --> 01:39:51,990
because we're doing time to run on this this year and not to go back to the office.

1162
01:39:52,130 --> 01:39:53,350
What is the rush?

1163
01:39:53,770 --> 01:39:54,150
There is.

1164
01:39:54,710 --> 01:40:05,830
It's not so much of a rush that we are looking to make progress on a needed law.

1165
01:40:05,830 --> 01:40:13,030
And we wish for this or any project, but we're going to wait until after the ECB

1166
01:40:13,030 --> 01:40:17,290
we're going to wait until after the Council of Green and Turtles of the Asian

1167
01:40:17,290 --> 01:40:19,750
needs, as you request it.

1168
01:40:20,030 --> 01:40:26,690
But we would hope that as soon as those meetings occur, that, you know, provide us with

1169
01:40:26,690 --> 01:40:27,250
information.

1170
01:40:29,230 --> 01:40:34,530
What has happened here is unusual in that, after each public hearing, the similar

1171
01:40:34,530 --> 01:40:42,970
vision based on a lot of the knowledge we're on now, if it comes to it on December 11th

1172
01:40:42,970 --> 01:40:48,990
where all of the sudden we're hearing new comments, and it makes it very difficult for us

1173
01:40:48,990 --> 01:40:53,390
to incorporate those new comments into the world.

1174
01:40:54,330 --> 01:41:02,910
But at some point we have to, we have to move on to other things, and so I worked with

1175
01:41:02,910 --> 01:41:11,870
the C&C vendor to make this best almost, and there's no doubt that parts of it are

1176
01:41:11,870 --> 01:41:22,190
own and the need to look at people a little bit more, but those kind of things can get

1177
01:41:22,190 --> 01:41:29,910
worked out, and I think what you have seen is that when issues were raised, they've addressed

1178
01:41:31,190 --> 01:41:38,490
So if they have an issue with the appeal process, it turns out that that is how our life

1179
01:41:38,490 --> 01:41:43,110
has grown, right, is that there's a deal now, that doesn't mean it's written in stone.

1180
01:41:45,330 --> 01:41:52,570
So everything is subject to these questions, but I have found that it's not something that we

1181
01:41:52,570 --> 01:41:54,650
I had a quick call for it.

1182
01:41:54,790 --> 01:41:58,530
So, I was able to carry to our museum in general,

1183
01:41:59,310 --> 01:42:01,510
where they have a bit of, well, it's a disgusting.

1184
01:42:02,650 --> 01:42:06,150
And so, all we're asking for is to give us your ideas,

1185
01:42:07,130 --> 01:42:08,190
sooner than they could.

1186
01:42:08,830 --> 01:42:10,830
I was not pleased at all.

1187
01:42:11,470 --> 01:42:15,550
Now we have a special meeting on a Tuesday evening that I will public hear.

1188
01:42:16,990 --> 01:42:21,850
But I will be the one that will be the one that will be the one that will be the one that will not come.

1189
01:42:24,650 --> 01:42:28,590
But we got some really good comments that night.

1190
01:42:29,130 --> 01:42:30,890
And so we're continuing that.

1191
01:42:31,170 --> 01:42:38,590
But please don't wait until December 11th to bring new comments to a slightly different story.

1192
01:42:38,590 --> 01:42:43,510
And as soon as you pass me the point for an information,

1193
01:42:45,250 --> 01:42:47,670
Mr. Gardening, publishing a new revision.

1194
01:42:48,430 --> 01:42:49,830
Yes. Can you get a published book?

1195
01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:51,170
Come and talk to the microphone.

1196
01:42:51,490 --> 01:42:52,950
Can't hear you from back there.

1197
01:43:00,190 --> 01:43:03,050
What I was asking for on behalf of the ECC

1198
01:43:03,050 --> 01:43:09,430
is that if you're going to be putting forward a new version of this law

1199
01:43:09,430 --> 01:43:13,110
that you do so before the ECC meets.

1200
01:43:13,750 --> 01:43:18,430
I know that tonight's version is dated November 22nd.

1201
01:43:19,490 --> 01:43:22,510
That means that this version was not the version that was

1202
01:43:22,510 --> 01:43:25,770
before the group at your last public hearing last Tuesday.

1203
01:43:26,470 --> 01:43:29,190
You've heard comments about the appeal.

1204
01:43:29,670 --> 01:43:34,930
You heard Aaron tell you that the law with respect to

1205
01:43:34,930 --> 01:43:38,790
what it gets taken into account and whether the applicant will hear about it

1206
01:43:38,790 --> 01:43:43,950
is actually in the law. But it isn't. So I assume that you'll be rewriting it, and we'd

1207
01:43:43,950 --> 01:43:49,110
like to see it before the ECC meets, to see whether that addresses the point, or whether

1208
01:43:49,110 --> 01:43:55,430
we need to now tell you how to fix the law to make it constitutional. And we could explain

1209
01:43:55,430 --> 01:44:00,890
to you why it's different with respect to the wetlands law and this law. Because there are

1210
01:44:00,890 --> 01:44:06,770
certain specific things unique to the tree law as you outlined it, that require that there

1211
01:44:06,770 --> 01:44:10,390
notice in a public hearing at the administrative level.

1212
01:44:11,130 --> 01:44:13,010
But if you're not going to have us understand,

1213
01:44:13,310 --> 01:44:17,110
OK, and I'm saying is, let us know what far we meet,

1214
01:44:17,430 --> 01:44:20,370
because if we come to meet and then you change the law,

1215
01:44:20,650 --> 01:44:22,370
well, then we'll be before you on the 11th saying,

1216
01:44:22,510 --> 01:44:24,230
this is different from what we had before us.

1217
01:44:24,430 --> 01:44:24,690
Thanks a lot.

1218
01:44:25,430 --> 01:44:30,250
And I want you to add that to this different, and you know,

1219
01:44:30,470 --> 01:44:33,470
that now, you know, please follow them, too.

1220
01:44:33,890 --> 01:44:35,150
So, this is great.

1221
01:44:36,010 --> 01:44:45,550
You know, I'd like to make a motion that we adjourn the hearing to December 11th.

1222
01:44:47,410 --> 01:44:48,370
All right.

1223
01:44:49,010 --> 01:44:51,110
Fine with that, I just wanted to make one comment.

1224
01:44:51,910 --> 01:44:57,090
With respect to my stating that the review with the applicant was in the code,

1225
01:44:57,190 --> 01:45:02,290
I did not say that it was in the code as a matter of administering proposed ordinance

1226
01:45:02,290 --> 01:45:07,470
and the current ordinance, that is the practice of the Forestry Officer to meet with an applicant

1227
01:45:07,470 --> 01:45:09,850
when and if comments are received from the public.

1228
01:45:10,370 --> 01:45:11,130
Thank you.

1229
01:45:12,150 --> 01:45:12,650
Well, favor.

1230
01:45:13,430 --> 01:45:13,650
Okay.

1231
01:45:14,010 --> 01:45:14,110
No.

1232
01:45:14,570 --> 01:45:15,330
Excuse me.

1233
01:45:15,690 --> 01:45:16,990
I'm raising my hand there.

1234
01:45:17,010 --> 01:45:18,390
I just want to say one thing.

1235
01:45:19,310 --> 01:45:23,930
I think that if you have listened to any, I mean, I need to have a good name, sorry.

1236
01:45:24,590 --> 01:45:28,130
I just need to be close to the hearing as clocked.

1237
01:45:28,230 --> 01:45:32,270
But I've been waving that my hand, I was told that I had to approach and I was waiting

1238
01:45:32,270 --> 01:45:38,530
to the other speakers to finish. So my dream process is that I should be heard because I have been

1239
01:45:38,530 --> 01:45:46,310
trying, waving, and just saying, okay, there are two issues here. After everything else is

1240
01:45:46,310 --> 01:45:54,630
said and done, one is due process and the other one is cost. If you were just focus on those two areas,

1241
01:45:54,630 --> 01:45:59,530
Those of us with other objections can put those aside.

1242
01:46:00,450 --> 01:46:02,610
And I think, I think, and Hanselman, she was speaking,

1243
01:46:03,250 --> 01:46:04,730
just occurred to me.

1244
01:46:05,370 --> 01:46:07,450
The cost is a very big issue,

1245
01:46:08,490 --> 01:46:11,490
especially with our population getting older,

1246
01:46:11,990 --> 01:46:15,770
and not having, yes, I know that I'm emphasizing it.

1247
01:46:16,150 --> 01:46:19,530
Because I would like to focus on those two issues.

1248
01:46:20,090 --> 01:46:22,870
I know where I can't get involved with all the other things.

1249
01:46:22,870 --> 01:46:25,810
Okay, thank you very much.

1250
01:46:26,150 --> 01:46:34,590
Okay, so now we go on to the second hearing to consider the town of Greenberg 2020 preliminary budget.

1251
01:46:35,130 --> 01:46:40,250
And I have, I'd like to open up that hearing.

1252
01:46:41,290 --> 01:46:42,230
I'm on the 2,000.

1253
01:46:42,590 --> 01:46:43,330
Well, if I have.

1254
01:46:43,870 --> 01:46:48,130
And I have, you know, statement just to begin.

1255
01:46:48,130 --> 01:46:56,390
prior to the November election, I announced that I would propose a budget that included

1256
01:46:56,390 --> 01:47:06,570
a zero percent tax on Hike when I proposed a 2020 budget, I proposed a tax rate hike of

1257
01:47:06,570 --> 01:47:15,690
zero percent. However, the levity did go up creating some confusion among some people.

1258
01:47:16,930 --> 01:47:24,510
If the rate stays the same, which is more than what other communities in Westchester are doing,

1259
01:47:25,010 --> 01:47:30,090
and if the leather goes up, some residents could have experienced a slight tax hike.

1260
01:47:30,630 --> 01:47:35,650
We would not know that definitely until March when the tax bills are prepared.

1261
01:47:36,510 --> 01:47:43,150
I feel that it's important for people to have confidence in the integrity of elected officials,

1262
01:47:43,150 --> 01:47:51,110
And although there was some confusion by what I meant by a zero, zero percent tax like many

1263
01:47:51,110 --> 01:47:57,150
people expected a zero percent tax led the increase as well.

1264
01:47:57,610 --> 01:48:05,990
So I've asked the controller to amend the 2020 proposed budget, which now would include a tax

1265
01:48:07,070 --> 01:48:16,250
decrease, it would probably be approximately a 3% reduction in the A budget and a 2% decrease

1266
01:48:16,250 --> 01:48:24,490
in the tax rate and unincorporated in the B budget. The tax level would remain once if

1267
01:48:24,490 --> 01:48:31,790
the cemented budget is approved. The same as the 2019 budget and will enable us to keep

1268
01:48:31,790 --> 01:48:35,210
promises made prior to the election.

1269
01:48:36,190 --> 01:48:39,410
So the tax levity in the A budget would be,

1270
01:48:39,410 --> 01:48:46,410
I believe it's 9,321,201, and the tax levity in the B budget

1271
01:48:46,410 --> 01:48:51,890
would be 59,000, 201, 6,933.

1272
01:48:53,910 --> 01:48:59,490
So if the town board approves a budget by December 20th

1273
01:48:59,490 --> 01:49:07,730
with my amendments, the proposed modification would not impact any services, it would not

1274
01:49:07,730 --> 01:49:17,010
impact our desire to proceed with the police and courthouse on, you know, move because we

1275
01:49:17,010 --> 01:49:25,690
have still saved over $12 million on in the budget, which will reduce our borrowing

1276
01:49:25,690 --> 01:49:31,450
us and you know I believe that again the most important thing is if we freeze the tax

1277
01:49:31,450 --> 01:49:37,510
level, it will send a message to the community that when we say something in a prior

1278
01:49:37,510 --> 01:49:40,650
election, we are keeping our word.

1279
01:49:40,970 --> 01:49:46,070
And, you know, I think it's important for people to have confidence and integrity of elected officials.

1280
01:49:49,710 --> 01:49:53,270
So now, if anybody wants to comment on the budget.

1281
01:49:54,930 --> 01:49:55,610
Eric Singer.

1282
01:50:03,010 --> 01:50:05,330
Well, she wanted to share this with that earlier, right?

1283
01:50:05,570 --> 01:50:18,610
Well, I had been working with the controller on this all day. And, you know, I just wanted to make sure that we were financially able to run up right now to make the modifications.

1284
01:50:24,500 --> 01:50:29,320
Eric E. R. I. C. Zinger. Z. I. N. G. E. R.

1285
01:50:29,440 --> 01:50:30,480
Changes into speech.

1286
01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:32,820
Let's quick as I can.

1287
01:50:36,690 --> 01:50:40,830
On November 13th, the town of Greenberg held its first public hearing on the 2020 operating budget.

1288
01:50:41,730 --> 01:50:45,910
Much of the public hearing focused on the question is the town raising property taxes.

1289
01:50:46,690 --> 01:50:53,330
Supervisor Paul Finer had been promoting that the tax rate is staying flat and that there is no tax rate increase.

1290
01:50:53,330 --> 01:51:03,570
He said an email on the news letter out saying, a tax payer that paid $3,166,000 in 2019 will pay 30,166 in 2020.

1291
01:51:04,890 --> 01:51:08,270
So in order to find out if taxes and agreement were raising, I reached out to the town controller,

1292
01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:13,130
who prepares the budget, and the answer at the time was unambiguously clear.

1293
01:51:13,650 --> 01:51:19,010
The original budget had a proposed poverty tax living proposed poverty tax living,

1294
01:51:19,010 --> 01:51:21,830
that would increase by 1.5 million in the town,

1295
01:51:22,130 --> 01:51:24,010
a 2.2% increase for 2020.

1296
01:51:24,950 --> 01:51:26,170
The supervisor was correct.

1297
01:51:26,290 --> 01:51:28,270
The tax rate is staying flat,

1298
01:51:28,490 --> 01:51:31,090
but the tax levy, the dollar mountain property tax

1299
01:51:31,090 --> 01:51:33,010
is paid by homeowners is increasing.

1300
01:51:33,830 --> 01:51:36,270
homeowners don't pay the tax rate, homeowners pay taxes,

1301
01:51:36,690 --> 01:51:37,670
and taxes were increasing.

1302
01:51:38,210 --> 01:51:40,990
So to suggest that the budget did not include a tax increase

1303
01:51:40,990 --> 01:51:42,410
was deceptive,

1304
01:51:42,730 --> 01:51:45,090
and I'm happy to hear tonight that the supervisor

1305
01:51:45,090 --> 01:51:46,430
has amended the budget,

1306
01:51:46,430 --> 01:51:49,210
So that way it would be a flat property tax level.

1307
01:51:51,030 --> 01:51:55,790
In the original email, the town said that it was collecting 1.5 million more tax revenues.

1308
01:51:56,250 --> 01:52:04,330
And I wondered, how is it possible that a tax payer who paid $3,166 in 2019 will again pay $3,166 in 2020?

1309
01:52:04,910 --> 01:52:11,730
The math didn't add up. So Paul, I'm glad to hear that you're coming in with a flat property tax

1310
01:52:11,730 --> 01:52:19,670
I would like to know the details of what is being changed as their proposed budget that is going to be made available on the website.

1311
01:52:20,090 --> 01:52:26,450
I know that I have proposed a relatively simple and straightforward path to passing a budget without increasing the tax level.

1312
01:52:26,990 --> 01:52:34,510
The budget includes 2.93 million dollars listed as a transfer to capital fund to pre-fund capital budget items.

1313
01:52:34,510 --> 01:52:43,910
I had proposed seeing that figure at 1.5 million reducing it by 1.5 and that result in a budget that has an actual zero tax-level increase.

1314
01:52:45,270 --> 01:52:49,050
So regardless of how we're doing this or what amount of capital projects are being funded,

1315
01:52:49,570 --> 01:52:52,590
I would like to know if that money is not going to zero,

1316
01:52:53,130 --> 01:52:58,530
what specific projects I asked you this at the original public hearing if we had any specific details about

1317
01:52:58,530 --> 01:53:02,290
What specific items are being pre-funded and not bonded for?

1318
01:53:02,470 --> 01:53:07,670
There was a specific advantage outside of the intersavings for pre-funding specific items in the budget

1319
01:53:07,670 --> 01:53:10,750
or more details on that specific line item.

1320
01:53:12,350 --> 01:53:13,130
Thank you.

1321
01:53:13,770 --> 01:53:22,950
Roberter, if you want to comment, but we're going to have discussions at the work sessions on the budget.

1322
01:53:22,950 --> 01:53:24,870
So you hear from us, I'm kind of fine.

1323
01:53:25,030 --> 01:53:26,210
That's a good idea.

1324
01:53:26,350 --> 01:53:27,030
That's a good idea.

1325
01:53:27,430 --> 01:53:28,070
Anybody else want to talk to me?

1326
01:53:28,070 --> 01:53:28,330
No.

1327
01:53:28,510 --> 01:53:29,370
There's no further questions.

1328
01:53:29,810 --> 01:53:30,610
Bob, for instance.

1329
01:53:41,180 --> 01:53:42,020
Thank you.

1330
01:53:42,040 --> 01:53:47,740
The reason I wanted to speak on the budget was precisely because I wanted to get some answers

1331
01:53:48,150 --> 01:53:49,530
to questions I had from Roberta.

1332
01:53:50,200 --> 01:53:52,880
And I thought the best way to do it would be to raise it here.

1333
01:53:54,420 --> 01:53:56,680
In order to present the budget to the ECC,

1334
01:53:58,480 --> 01:54:08,860
I want to be able to explain how the town decided to deal with the windfall it was getting

1335
01:54:08,860 --> 01:54:14,360
from the county sales tax and also the additional revenue that it's getting from the hotel

1336
01:54:14,360 --> 01:54:20,100
tax. Between the sales tax and the hotel tax, we're talking about additional revenue

1337
01:54:20,100 --> 01:54:22,740
of, I think, at least four and a half or five million dollars.

1338
01:54:24,020 --> 01:54:31,080
And so one could say, well, we're just going to take the money we got and we're going

1339
01:54:31,080 --> 01:54:35,940
to put it toward the capital budget or reserve for the courthouse or the police station.

1340
01:54:36,900 --> 01:54:43,200
Or you could say we're reserving a portion of it and this is where I think her answer to

1341
01:54:43,200 --> 01:54:48,480
last question of the last hearing suggested that what you were doing was you were creating

1342
01:54:48,480 --> 01:54:56,260
a very large contingency fund to deal with expected increases in union costs once the contracts

1343
01:54:56,260 --> 01:54:57,420
were agreed to.

1344
01:54:57,820 --> 01:55:04,260
So what I would like for you to do either Roberta or you is so that I can explain to the

1345
01:55:04,260 --> 01:55:13,080
ECC how you decided to whack up that windfall in terms of where did you allocate those funds

1346
01:55:13,080 --> 01:55:20,860
to go and why so that we can better understand what you were doing with new funds that you

1347
01:55:20,860 --> 01:55:25,260
didn't otherwise have available since obviously we're not getting a tax reduction, but

1348
01:55:25,260 --> 01:55:31,720
we'd like to know what your priorities were with respect to this found money. I'm not saying

1349
01:55:31,720 --> 01:55:37,300
it's not a good thing to have. It is a good thing to have and I'm glad you got it. But by the

1350
01:55:37,300 --> 01:55:43,060
same token when you have found money like this, there is a sense of relief sometimes in the

1351
01:55:43,060 --> 01:55:49,720
of elected officials that they no longer have to try as hard to find savings because, after

1352
01:55:49,720 --> 01:55:54,780
all, they got new money to work with. So what I'd like to know is, what was the discussion?

1353
01:55:55,600 --> 01:56:01,340
Have you had that discussion? What did you decide? How did you decide it? So that I can better

1354
01:56:01,340 --> 01:56:06,940
explain to the people of Edgemont how you came up with the numbers you came up with.

1355
01:56:12,070 --> 01:56:18,950
And my question is, at the last meeting, I asked about Fortress Bible, and how much interest

1356
01:56:18,950 --> 01:56:27,370
was being paid on that 6.5 million dollar loan that we have, and, of course, in the

1357
01:56:27,370 --> 01:56:37,250
poor finder, with the triple A rating that we have, does it have anything to do with the

1358
01:56:37,250 --> 01:56:43,390
So I was hoping to have that answer before now, but she hasn't good.

1359
01:56:49,910 --> 01:56:50,730
Anybody else?

1360
01:56:54,050 --> 01:56:55,190
The Wayne Tyler Gordon?

1361
01:57:06,000 --> 01:57:10,940
I'm not exactly here to talk about the budget, but something I would like to collaborate with you.

1362
01:57:10,970 --> 01:57:18,910
A little bit. I'm not a financial person, per se. I'm a creative person. And I've been thinking about the school

1363
01:57:18,910 --> 01:57:27,310
fund fund that I helped to defeat, and why I helped to defeat it, and what I think we need to do. I am

1364
01:57:27,310 --> 01:57:34,450
definitely for education, and I'm definitely for improved schools for our kids. I know that these schools are falling apart.

1365
01:57:34,450 --> 01:57:38,950
I've taken the time to tour them and see what's wrong.

1366
01:57:40,190 --> 01:57:43,050
I'm very interested in the Bayley School in particular.

1367
01:57:44,190 --> 01:57:48,750
I was explained to me that the Bayley School was the oldest, maybe one of the first black

1368
01:57:48,750 --> 01:57:52,890
schools in this area and has historic bench.

1369
01:57:53,550 --> 01:57:57,130
But I don't think in this Bayley College that we need a black school.

1370
01:57:57,130 --> 01:58:07,150
I think that we need good schools in safe buildings that are integrated black, white, yellow, purple, whatever color you're coming.

1371
01:58:08,690 --> 01:58:15,210
But the daily is on a very valuable piece of property that we own in the town of Greenberg.

1372
01:58:16,070 --> 01:58:18,290
Maybe this is something you've already thought of.

1373
01:58:18,450 --> 01:58:23,650
So if I'm covering territory that you've already covered, I apologize, I don't have the history.

1374
01:58:24,770 --> 01:58:29,150
What occurred to me is that you could take that piece of property, that barely school, which

1375
01:58:29,150 --> 01:58:35,610
could be ripe for development for condos or other kinds of apartments, it's not a good

1376
01:58:35,610 --> 01:58:40,790
place for a school. It's right in a commercial neighborhood, there's a lot of traffic.

1377
01:58:41,370 --> 01:58:46,190
I don't think it's safe. With the money that you could raise from selling that property,

1378
01:58:46,190 --> 01:58:54,570
You could get a state of the art school for the baby school on the campus where woodlands high school is.

1379
01:58:54,630 --> 01:58:57,910
We don't have to answer, we don't have jurisdiction over school property.

1380
01:58:58,210 --> 01:58:58,410
It all.

1381
01:58:58,990 --> 01:59:02,870
It says that is there something that the bread could suggest?

1382
01:59:03,450 --> 01:59:07,150
Is it something a creative approach that we could get involved with?

1383
01:59:07,270 --> 01:59:10,190
I think you need to go to the school board and raise this.

1384
01:59:10,210 --> 01:59:11,670
Well, I can do that, of course.

1385
01:59:12,270 --> 01:59:13,670
Okay, thank you very much.

1386
01:59:17,190 --> 01:59:17,690
Anybody else?

1387
01:59:20,570 --> 01:59:25,610
You know, Pat, did you want to speak on the budget or have you probably commented on you did?

1388
01:59:26,210 --> 01:59:28,710
I don't have any other requests for the budget.

1389
01:59:29,050 --> 01:59:30,470
Where did you want to, uh?

1390
01:59:35,520 --> 01:59:39,120
Okay, the first, Rebecca Romano, I'm sorry.

1391
01:59:39,620 --> 01:59:43,020
The first question was about the pre-funding of the capital projects.

1392
01:59:43,880 --> 01:59:48,800
There have already been some projects that have been identified to be funded,

1393
01:59:48,800 --> 02:00:02,660
But there is items that we still have not specifically identified yet, but the thought process was that we could reduce the amount that we're borrowing.

1394
02:00:03,140 --> 02:00:07,620
So in that respect we would be saving on interest costs we would be saving on bonding costs.

1395
02:00:08,440 --> 02:00:10,980
So you're saving money by doing that.

1396
02:00:11,000 --> 02:00:17,300
That was the thought process in setting aside money to try to pre-fund some of these capital projects rather than bonding.

1397
02:00:17,300 --> 02:00:24,540
There's a way to use operating funds for a capital project so that we would have the funding costs or the interest.

1398
02:00:25,560 --> 02:00:28,480
And that was the thought process behind that.

1399
02:00:29,360 --> 02:00:36,280
So a lot of the windfall that Mr. Verente was speaking about was a lot into that.

1400
02:00:36,740 --> 02:00:45,900
Also, cost go up every year, operating utilities go up, cost of living goes up, cost go up, so that's part of it also.

1401
02:00:45,900 --> 02:00:51,080
Also, as I said, we're negotiating three-cocked, three-unit contracts.

1402
02:00:51,840 --> 02:00:53,340
That's also included in that.

1403
02:00:53,480 --> 02:00:57,920
I went about, I didn't do a mandate from the state relating to the disclosure.

1404
02:00:59,220 --> 02:01:02,020
We had to add additional positions.

1405
02:01:02,700 --> 02:01:03,660
How many positions?

1406
02:01:04,400 --> 02:01:08,200
I believe it was two police officers and a part-time lar.

1407
02:01:08,400 --> 02:01:14,180
This is the unfunded mandate that was dictated by the state.

1408
02:01:14,180 --> 02:01:21,320
So, that was in a nutshell, that's an overview.

1409
02:01:22,020 --> 02:01:25,260
Ms. Williams asked about the interest that is left to be paid.

1410
02:01:27,940 --> 02:01:29,700
The total amount paid?

1411
02:01:33,150 --> 02:01:37,530
Okay, so the principal amount was 5.5 million.

1412
02:01:37,850 --> 02:01:43,070
The interest on that was 900,000, 408 and 54 cents.

1413
02:01:43,070 --> 02:01:49,070
So the total amount paid with 6 million 404, 408 and 54 cents.

1414
02:01:52,830 --> 02:01:54,310
And I believe that's all the questions.

1415
02:01:55,650 --> 02:01:56,030
Okay.

1416
02:01:56,490 --> 02:01:56,750
Okay.

1417
02:01:57,090 --> 02:01:58,550
I'd like to move that way.

1418
02:01:58,850 --> 02:02:00,350
Turn the hearing to December 11.

1419
02:02:00,990 --> 02:02:01,250
Second.

1420
02:02:01,930 --> 02:02:02,230
Well, favor.

1421
02:02:02,830 --> 02:02:02,850
All right.

1422
02:02:03,570 --> 02:02:05,050
You can see what we're changing.

1423
02:02:05,290 --> 02:02:07,210
You can make it a lot of public tax level.

1424
02:02:07,990 --> 02:02:10,850
Are you wishing you a huge amount of such things?

1425
02:02:11,190 --> 02:02:11,750
I don't

1426
02:02:17,000 --> 02:02:17,960
want to say anything.

1427
02:02:20,850 --> 02:02:28,010
We're taking it from fun balance, but this is a recommendation, the town board could discuss

1428
02:02:28,010 --> 02:02:34,350
the details, but I had spoken to all the members of town board, and we're all committed

1429
02:02:34,350 --> 02:02:40,630
to having a zero percent tax level and a zero percent tax rate, I guess, now it's a reduction.

1430
02:02:42,690 --> 02:02:48,410
And I think that's the issue that people are concerned about in the common days as we're

1431
02:02:48,410 --> 02:02:50,550
going through the budget, we'll provide people

1432
02:02:50,550 --> 02:02:55,610
with more details on how we're going to implement it.

1433
02:02:56,250 --> 02:02:59,510
But right now, the controller is recommending using

1434
02:02:59,510 --> 02:03:03,590
fund bills, but we could always tweak that and change that

1435
02:03:03,590 --> 02:03:04,590
when we have the discussions.

1436
02:03:05,230 --> 02:03:08,530
And to understand that the tax lettuce

1437
02:03:08,530 --> 02:03:11,310
determined by the school budget, which we are

1438
02:03:11,310 --> 02:03:19,230
in dependent of the town and stating another revenues that come out.

1439
02:03:19,410 --> 02:03:23,410
So that determines what the tax level is.

1440
02:03:24,710 --> 02:03:32,410
I should also mention that a lot of people like to beat up by the town, it's a little

1441
02:03:32,410 --> 02:03:40,530
bit of a sport, and I want to mention that in Westchester County, I think the county

1442
02:03:40,530 --> 02:03:48,910
executive has reduced the taxes, and I don't think that there's a lot of communities in

1443
02:03:48,910 --> 02:03:54,650
Westchester, I don't know if anybody knows of others, that have had a 0% tax levity

1444
02:03:54,650 --> 02:03:57,710
and a tax rate.

1445
02:03:57,830 --> 02:04:09,630
Most of the other tax towns did reduce the amount that their tax levity would have been

1446
02:04:09,630 --> 02:04:15,450
had they not received the state funds from the state,

1447
02:04:15,990 --> 02:04:20,730
from the one percent sales tax increase and benefits,

1448
02:04:21,530 --> 02:04:23,730
but they did not.

1449
02:04:23,730 --> 02:04:29,130
I don't recall any of the towns that any of them.

1450
02:04:29,250 --> 02:04:31,750
They had a zero percent.

1451
02:04:31,790 --> 02:04:34,690
Right, so we're like the best of what's happening.

1452
02:04:38,560 --> 02:04:39,460
Now

1453
02:04:40,970 --> 02:04:49,910
We're going to have the public comments, would you cap a budget? The rain has her hand, there is a cap of budget.

1454
02:04:50,850 --> 02:04:53,470
I'm sorry. I forgot.

1455
02:04:55,070 --> 02:04:57,090
Okay, so I'd like to, we'll hold on one second.

1456
02:04:59,330 --> 02:05:01,150
Wait, we're trying to figure out where we are.

1457
02:05:01,570 --> 02:05:04,110
So we did the preliminary budget.

1458
02:05:04,130 --> 02:05:06,210
We have the next hearing.

1459
02:05:06,570 --> 02:05:07,590
We have the capital budget.

1460
02:05:07,590 --> 02:05:10,730
Which is sort of yeah, I just wanted to say

1461
02:05:12,610 --> 02:05:15,130
Open up the hearing open up the hearing

1462
02:05:16,270 --> 02:05:19,930
I want to make a comment about to not really

1463
02:05:25,970 --> 02:05:30,370
Okay, so we're up to the capital budget. Did you want to make a comment on the capital budget?

1464
02:05:30,690 --> 02:05:37,430
Well, I just know I just wanted to say that according to what do not believe New York is how to pay off the debt

1465
02:05:37,590 --> 02:05:43,590
by local government, of course, the state. It would equal $3,916 per person.

1466
02:05:44,550 --> 02:05:46,590
That's why I wanted to say, I'm going to do that.

1467
02:05:47,950 --> 02:05:51,110
Okay. Anybody in the speak on the capital budget?

1468
02:05:52,270 --> 02:05:54,170
Yeah, we don't have any of it in the question.

1469
02:05:54,590 --> 02:05:55,050
Okay, sir.

1470
02:05:55,050 --> 02:05:56,650
All right, so Mr. Bernstein.

1471
02:05:57,070 --> 02:05:59,270
Does anybody else wish to speak on the capital budget?

1472
02:05:59,470 --> 02:06:01,270
Okay, please come forward, Mr. Bernstein.

1473
02:06:03,150 --> 02:06:05,330
So it looks like Mr. Bernstein's the only speaker.

1474
02:06:16,670 --> 02:06:17,630
Thank you.

1475
02:06:17,790 --> 02:06:25,650
The reason I wanted to speak tonight on the Capitol budget is that this is a very sad

1476
02:06:25,650 --> 02:06:29,050
day for Edgmont because we had a tragedy.

1477
02:06:31,010 --> 02:06:35,910
It is not a time for figure pointing, but it is a time for action.

1478
02:06:37,590 --> 02:06:47,090
I have come before you for over 15 years advocating for sidewalks in Edmont.

1479
02:06:48,930 --> 02:06:58,450
I even pulled out the minutes of the meeting of the ECC, the last time the town supervisor

1480
02:06:59,250 --> 02:07:01,110
attended a meeting of the ECC.

1481
02:07:01,110 --> 02:07:09,530
It was December 1, 2014, where he reported, according to our minutes, that he had a change

1482
02:07:09,530 --> 02:07:13,690
of hard-on sidewalks and was now ready to go forward with him.

1483
02:07:14,190 --> 02:07:21,670
Quoting the minutes, he said that the time had come for us to work together on getting

1484
02:07:21,670 --> 02:07:23,350
sidewalks done.

1485
02:07:24,250 --> 02:07:27,690
Quote, no gimmicks, he said, no hinder hidden agenda.

1486
02:07:28,270 --> 02:07:30,050
We need to work together to make it happen.

1487
02:07:30,050 --> 02:07:33,070
Maybe we could do one section at a time.

1488
02:07:33,550 --> 02:07:38,910
That was on December 1, 2014, the very next day, unfortunately, the town board at a work

1489
02:07:38,910 --> 02:07:40,910
session decided not to go forward.

1490
02:07:41,410 --> 02:07:43,110
But it doesn't matter.

1491
02:07:43,850 --> 02:07:44,670
We had a tragedy.

1492
02:07:45,290 --> 02:07:50,930
We had a tragedy, ironically, on a sidewalk that I recommended, on April 24th at the last hearing

1493
02:07:50,930 --> 02:07:54,510
on the Capitol budget, the funded.

1494
02:07:55,850 --> 02:07:57,930
And we had a conversation about it.

1495
02:07:57,930 --> 02:08:02,190
is to find a pointed out that he rides his bicycle on that street and he knows for well how dangerous

1496
02:08:02,190 --> 02:08:03,050
it is.

1497
02:08:03,250 --> 02:08:04,270
But now we had a tragedy.

1498
02:08:05,250 --> 02:08:16,970
So I am asking you tonight to allocate funds immediately in the capital budget for RFP for

1499
02:08:16,970 --> 02:08:23,070
an engineering study for a sidewalk and whatever other pedestrian enhancements are needed

1500
02:08:23,070 --> 02:08:29,030
on further road from largely road to under-hill road.

1501
02:08:30,470 --> 02:08:33,350
It may come in with a big number, but let's know what the number is.

1502
02:08:34,270 --> 02:08:39,710
No more BS, this has to happen, and by the way, it's not just a sidewalk.

1503
02:08:41,430 --> 02:08:49,910
Now, we don't have the police investigation yet, but I spoke to the doctor who first got to the victim,

1504
02:08:49,910 --> 02:08:54,670
And as you aren't resident, who happened upon the scene, happened to be a doctor.

1505
02:08:56,190 --> 02:09:04,070
And he said to me, you know it was really tragic, he said, the woman that was hit, lying

1506
02:09:04,070 --> 02:09:06,230
in the road on Fort Hill,

1507
02:09:08,930 --> 02:09:13,850
I couldn't even see her because the lighting there was so terrible.

1508
02:09:14,890 --> 02:09:20,990
There was inadequate lighting, other pastors by had to stop, take out their cellphones,

1509
02:09:20,990 --> 02:09:25,730
used the light on their cell phones to shine a light on the victim because they were so

1510
02:09:25,730 --> 02:09:30,990
the inadequate seat street lighting, he couldn't even see the victim to try to treat her.

1511
02:09:31,810 --> 02:09:33,230
To the EMS got there.

1512
02:09:34,310 --> 02:09:35,830
This is 2019 folks.

1513
02:09:36,250 --> 02:09:37,330
That should never be.

1514
02:09:38,110 --> 02:09:41,390
You've had ample warning for me about this happening.

1515
02:09:43,010 --> 02:09:45,790
And I say 15 years because I went and checked my file.

1516
02:09:46,090 --> 02:09:47,610
It goes back 15 years.

1517
02:09:50,020 --> 02:09:51,800
So no more politics over this.

1518
02:09:51,800 --> 02:09:58,020
you do it. It's a matter of safety. Public health and safety. It's not about pointing

1519
02:09:58,020 --> 02:10:03,560
the fingers and saying the scores should fund school buses. It's not about any of that.

1520
02:10:04,080 --> 02:10:08,240
It's not about saying, Edgemont wants it. Edgemont should pay for it. This is a town

1521
02:10:08,240 --> 02:10:13,420
responsibility. It's a matter of public health and safety. It shouldn't take a tragedy,

1522
02:10:14,080 --> 02:10:20,180
a death, to get you to act, but now just act. Just doing. It's an RFP. It doesn't

1523
02:10:20,180 --> 02:10:25,640
to admit you to building it, but it commits you to finding out what the cost of an pedestrian

1524
02:10:25,640 --> 02:10:31,740
enhancements there would be. If you find out when the engineer does a study, how many

1525
02:10:31,740 --> 02:10:36,780
shrubs might have to be moved on either side. You don't need a walk, a public walk and

1526
02:10:36,780 --> 02:10:43,460
grandstanding to show the importance. Show the importance tonight, pass a resolution, authorizing

1527
02:10:43,460 --> 02:10:50,880
and RFP to find out what can be done immediately to see what the experts say can enhance the

1528
02:10:50,880 --> 02:10:56,300
pedestrian safety along that quarter. That's the worst quarter in Edgemont. That's why I

1529
02:10:56,300 --> 02:11:02,860
sent an April 24th. There are others that are bad too. But now we know one that needs to be

1530
02:11:02,860 --> 02:11:08,460
dressed right away. So, let us respect, I ask you to do that in the interest of decency and

1531
02:11:10,540 --> 02:11:20,560
I would just like to mention one thing, we as a town have been building a lot of sidewalks around the town in the past

1532
02:11:20,560 --> 02:11:27,960
in a couple of years. In the edge of mind, when the community has us, when we work with the neighborhood association,

1533
02:11:27,960 --> 02:11:36,380
work with us. We worked with the old Edmonton Association, very hard, and we got a sidewalk

1534
02:11:36,380 --> 02:11:44,800
built, a silly place. When the Southern Greenville Association decided to work with us,

1535
02:11:45,220 --> 02:11:51,220
decided they wanted to work with us. We were able to get a sidewalk on Fort Hill Road,

1536
02:11:51,220 --> 02:11:57,120
both, arguably, roads, you know, south, and that was, you know, quickly.

1537
02:11:58,520 --> 02:11:59,200
We,

1538
02:12:01,840 --> 02:12:10,600
about a year ago, the Deputy Commissioner of Public Works, and I met with a member of the...

1539
02:12:10,970 --> 02:12:21,330
Mother in Edgman and she is for a sidewalk near the Greenville School and we got that bolt. We're

1540
02:12:21,330 --> 02:12:27,770
more than happy to work with the neighborhood association, with the ECC and with the community

1541
02:12:27,770 --> 02:12:32,890
to get sidewalks built. We have been working with a junior per whole civic association.

1542
02:12:38,090 --> 02:12:38,770
We

1543
02:12:38,770 --> 02:12:44,710
to build to get funding for a sidewalk on a whole side of the Avenue this whole location

1544
02:12:44,710 --> 02:12:46,570
and all tarry town road.

1545
02:12:47,490 --> 02:12:53,210
In the next few weeks, we're going to start construction of a sidewalk on Central Avenue.

1546
02:12:53,950 --> 02:13:01,370
And the town is footing significant cost because it was more expensive than we had.

1547
02:13:01,590 --> 02:13:03,350
And we basically said we're going to do it.

1548
02:13:03,350 --> 02:13:13,590
Councilman Cheyenne have been working very hard on implementing safety improvements in front of the sacred hard church and we're going to add that to the budget

1549
02:13:14,050 --> 02:13:26,270
We schedule a meeting for a week from Saturday on December 7th at 11 a.m. a walk we walk with residents just like we did on north Washington

1550
02:13:26,270 --> 02:13:30,870
because we had a walk there, you know, a few weeks, you know, a few weeks ago.

1551
02:13:32,050 --> 02:13:35,250
You know, because we want to have the town engineers, the public works,

1552
02:13:35,790 --> 02:13:39,090
you know, commissioner, representatives of the police, you know, there.

1553
02:13:39,310 --> 02:13:44,350
So we could show people exactly what it takes to get aside walk, you know, both.

1554
02:13:45,190 --> 02:13:50,410
You know, I've been reading all the next door, you know, comments, you know, many of them are, you know,

1555
02:13:50,410 --> 02:13:52,810
I think I'm fair and a little nasty.

1556
02:13:52,810 --> 02:13:58,510
And you know some people said build the sidewalk in three months, you know, build the temporary sidewalk.

1557
02:13:59,010 --> 02:14:01,230
We have to comply with ADA requirements.

1558
02:14:02,070 --> 02:14:04,710
There's bidding requirements that we have to comply with.

1559
02:14:05,290 --> 02:14:09,070
We have to make sure that there's great that that we're now messing up drainage.

1560
02:14:09,630 --> 02:14:13,390
There's a lot of issues that go into sidewalk and we have to do this correctly.

1561
02:14:13,970 --> 02:14:20,850
I would support issuing an RAP and support increasing funding for a sidewalk at this location

1562
02:14:20,850 --> 02:14:27,350
because I think there's nothing more important than public safety, and although it's not clear

1563
02:14:27,350 --> 02:14:33,850
whether this action could have been prevented, because we haven't gotten the investigation,

1564
02:14:34,190 --> 02:14:39,010
the investigation is not concluded, if there was a sidewalk or not, anytime there's a sidewalk

1565
02:14:39,010 --> 02:14:47,630
it reduces the possibility of a tragedy. So to me, this sidewalk is essential and totally committed

1566
02:14:47,630 --> 02:14:55,370
for it, I'm determined to make it happen, but I also want people to know that when you're

1567
02:14:55,370 --> 02:15:01,490
talking about sidewalks, you know, the reason why I suggest it belonged to you to under

1568
02:15:01,490 --> 02:15:06,470
hell because there's not a lot of homes there with obstructions. And I feel that that's

1569
02:15:06,470 --> 02:15:11,750
something that is durable, that the community basically will support. And instead of everybody

1570
02:15:11,750 --> 02:15:15,750
saying, oh, we want to sidewalk and nothing happening because everybody's going to fight it.

1571
02:15:15,750 --> 02:15:19,810
I think that's something we could do very, very, we could do that pretty quickly.

1572
02:15:20,350 --> 02:15:27,850
The other part, South of Longview, there's a lot of people have trees, a lot of people have

1573
02:15:27,850 --> 02:15:36,550
fences, gates, their driveways are fancy. There's going to be a lot of things that people are

1574
02:15:36,550 --> 02:15:41,290
going to have to remove together sidewalk at that location. And I don't want to jeopardize

1575
02:15:41,290 --> 02:15:47,730
the entire sidewalk, you know, I've got to get some of it done, you know, with a lot of,

1576
02:15:47,730 --> 02:15:52,210
if the community supports it, rather than just talk about it and everybody yelling and

1577
02:15:52,210 --> 02:15:55,570
fighting each other for the next year and nothing, nothing happening.

1578
02:15:56,070 --> 02:16:02,770
So I would be willing to support an R.K., you know, we could discuss this during our budget discussions

1579
02:16:02,770 --> 02:16:08,430
on, we would like to, you know, support, in fact, I did speak to the commissioner earlier

1580
02:16:08,430 --> 02:16:12,430
today. I said, is there usually we do these sidewalks in house?

1581
02:16:12,790 --> 02:16:17,850
So I said, you know, because of the urgency of this, I would be willing to even see if we

1582
02:16:18,390 --> 02:16:24,190
could hire an engine, you know, I'm speaking for myself, I'd be going to say, this is really

1583
02:16:24,190 --> 02:16:31,370
important. This is, you know, essential. If we could expedite it by having a private engineering

1584
02:16:31,370 --> 02:16:37,950
from come up with the design and the cross and move this cooker, I think it would be great.

1585
02:16:38,290 --> 02:16:42,970
But again, I do think it's important to have the community meeting, to not grandstanding

1586
02:16:42,970 --> 02:16:48,670
basically all I want to do is I want to show people exactly what has to be done.

1587
02:16:49,030 --> 02:16:54,630
I want to answer questions, get ideas from the community, because for example, on next

1588
02:16:54,630 --> 02:17:00,170
store, you could say, even though everybody's yelling and screaming on it, I do read it.

1589
02:17:00,170 --> 02:17:03,950
somebody said, maybe we should also improve the sidewalk on underhold.

1590
02:17:04,270 --> 02:17:09,110
It's not only for it held, there may be other sidewalks in that area that, you know,

1591
02:17:09,230 --> 02:17:10,550
to make it truly safe.

1592
02:17:11,310 --> 02:17:16,070
And, you know, when you talk to a lot of people, we may get more and more ideas.

1593
02:17:16,710 --> 02:17:18,470
Well, Mr. Bernstein, you had your five minutes, correct?

1594
02:17:18,770 --> 02:17:19,670
Can I have two minutes?

1595
02:17:19,730 --> 02:17:22,190
Well, listen, I get for Councilman Shandard, you want to respond.

1596
02:17:22,390 --> 02:17:24,870
I thought you were about to say something on this topic or no.

1597
02:17:28,410 --> 02:17:51,210
Well, during the meeting I actually got a notice that the child who was hit by a car on Central Avenue by Lawton Avenue and Central Park Avenue where the Sacred Heart Church in Seoul is the child who was going to basketball practice at night.

1598
02:17:51,210 --> 02:17:55,790
He was 14 years old and walked in the crosswalk.

1599
02:17:56,750 --> 02:17:59,890
The tape by a car was an induced coma initially

1600
02:17:59,890 --> 02:18:02,410
and had been an hospital for five weeks,

1601
02:18:02,490 --> 02:18:03,450
but he came home today.

1602
02:18:10,120 --> 02:18:15,160
Unfortunately, that wasn't the result of our four-held room.

1603
02:18:16,360 --> 02:18:19,780
And we have a serious issue throughout the town.

1604
02:18:21,500 --> 02:18:24,200
And it's a multi-dimensional issue.

1605
02:18:24,200 --> 02:18:28,880
it's not just sidewalks, it's also education, it's also speed enforcement,

1606
02:18:31,560 --> 02:18:31,700
you know,

1607
02:18:31,920 --> 02:18:41,180
we need a very broad based approach to address this, and I am fully aware from when people

1608
02:18:41,180 --> 02:18:46,360
ask for speed and speed enforcement, it's usually the local residents, and when they get

1609
02:18:46,360 --> 02:18:51,220
pulled over they said, oh, I know I asked for speed enforcement, but I didn't mean me,

1610
02:18:53,520 --> 02:18:53,660
but

1611
02:18:53,660 --> 02:19:07,700
I hope everyone's on notice that we're going to be asking, and we have asked the police department to do increased enforcement, not punitive, but real speeding to address these issues.

1612
02:19:09,120 --> 02:19:10,320
There are no easy answers.

1613
02:19:12,080 --> 02:19:19,900
We will address these issues as they come up, frankly, the number of pedestrians hit in many parts of the town.

1614
02:19:20,820 --> 02:19:24,640
I've never heard of the frequency that I hear recently.

1615
02:19:24,960 --> 02:19:29,160
I mean, it makes no sense why all of a sudden,

1616
02:19:30,180 --> 02:19:33,060
I know daylight savings time doesn't help,

1617
02:19:35,100 --> 02:19:40,620
but we need to address this and I don't think.

1618
02:19:40,970 --> 02:19:50,650
I walk as a panacea, it's a helpful, of course, but we need to do more than that. And so we're committed to that.

1619
02:19:51,030 --> 02:20:00,870
But let's be clear, at the same time, everyone's asking for a 0% levy increase. There are costs that are associated with doing all of these things.

1620
02:20:01,430 --> 02:20:09,730
And there is no free right, right? If we're going to be making these improvements, they cost a lot of money.

1621
02:20:09,730 --> 02:20:16,290
The puts sidewalks like we're talking about millions of dollars and somebody's got to pay that.

1622
02:20:16,430 --> 02:20:22,390
We either get it from grants, but that takes time or it comes from taxpayer funds.

1623
02:20:23,490 --> 02:20:27,650
And so, you know, there's some kind of a balance that we have to do.

1624
02:20:28,090 --> 02:20:32,570
And of course, everyone wants to cut what they don't use.

1625
02:20:33,190 --> 02:20:38,730
But we have the job of looking at a bigger picture and figuring out, you know,

1626
02:20:38,730 --> 02:20:46,950
what is it that we need and sometimes things are in popular and it's easy to give an immediate

1627
02:20:46,950 --> 02:20:54,550
reaction and say yes we'll do this or yes we'll do that but it's just unacceptable

1628
02:20:54,550 --> 02:21:01,130
that you can't cross a road particularly in a crosswalk without getting hurt.

1629
02:21:01,590 --> 02:21:07,470
And I just want to mention one other follow-up action that I've taken and we've gotten a lot of

1630
02:21:07,470 --> 02:21:10,710
across around the town for sidewalks.

1631
02:21:10,830 --> 02:21:15,130
Eric is here and we had a walk on North Washington Avenue,

1632
02:21:15,550 --> 02:21:16,830
which I think needs a sidewalk.

1633
02:21:18,090 --> 02:21:22,610
Joe Han, Snag's a new member of the planning board.

1634
02:21:22,830 --> 02:21:27,390
We've talked less week about extending the sidewalk

1635
02:21:27,390 --> 02:21:30,250
from fear street to June of for help.

1636
02:21:30,930 --> 02:21:35,370
And we also want to do outreach to the community.

1637
02:21:36,190 --> 02:21:46,430
I've met with people on Mount Choy in Edgman and they would like a sidewalk near the school

1638
02:21:46,430 --> 02:21:47,870
and we could go on and on.

1639
02:21:48,210 --> 02:21:55,790
What I sort of thought, and this was a suggestion that has been made in the past, is I think that

1640
02:21:55,790 --> 02:22:01,310
I personally believe the Fort Hill sidewalk is very, very important.

1641
02:22:01,310 --> 02:22:07,870
And I think that all of the three sidewalks that I just mentioned, no ones are important.

1642
02:22:08,370 --> 02:22:14,810
But I think that what we should do may be a little differently than we did in the past

1643
02:22:14,810 --> 02:22:18,590
is we should come up with a five-year plan for sidewalks.

1644
02:22:19,150 --> 02:22:23,430
I'm going to be asking the police community advisory board, I'm contacting all the members

1645
02:22:23,430 --> 02:22:29,510
of the police community advisory board to review sidewalk proposals as they're made.

1646
02:22:29,510 --> 02:22:44,550
And then to help us identify a plan of action for the sidewalks, because the police community advisory board consists of members of the community who are aware of safety issues.

1647
02:22:45,530 --> 02:22:55,850
And this way, you know, every time, this way, if we have a plan and this priorities, and we help identifying the most important sidewalks to be built.

1648
02:22:55,850 --> 02:23:09,670
You know, if somebody is for a side walk and it's important, but it may not be as important they could help determine the priority and when it's going to happen.

1649
02:23:10,290 --> 02:23:22,990
So I'm hoping to meet with them and hope they'll, I'm pretty sure I'll work with us and I'm also inviting the police advisory board to the walk next week on Fort Hill.

1650
02:23:22,990 --> 02:23:24,550
You don't even need to do that.

1651
02:23:25,050 --> 02:23:25,650
I'm sorry.

1652
02:23:26,190 --> 02:23:26,310
Yes.

1653
02:23:27,590 --> 02:23:29,390
We've talked about sidewalks.

1654
02:23:29,410 --> 02:23:30,950
We've talked about police enforcement.

1655
02:23:32,190 --> 02:23:35,050
But it's also our responsibility as drivers.

1656
02:23:37,090 --> 02:23:40,070
And, you know, current, there are more cars on the road.

1657
02:23:40,310 --> 02:23:42,170
Cars are faster, quieter.

1658
02:23:43,390 --> 02:23:46,530
And, you have zero to 16 and another second.

1659
02:23:47,410 --> 02:23:49,310
And, you know, I'm guilty too, speeding.

1660
02:23:49,310 --> 02:23:51,670
But wait,

1661
02:23:53,730 --> 02:23:54,470
that she is here.

1662
02:23:55,750 --> 02:23:56,830
Yes, yes.

1663
02:23:56,830 --> 02:23:57,350
Yes, yes.

1664
02:23:57,350 --> 02:23:57,590
Yes, yes.

1665
02:23:58,070 --> 02:23:59,370
Yeah, you'll reach about time.

1666
02:24:00,630 --> 02:24:01,690
Have you ever heard of Miranda?

1667
02:24:03,770 --> 02:24:06,670
But driving responsibility is very important too.

1668
02:24:07,490 --> 02:24:11,330
And we have to be cognizant that there's this snow community.

1669
02:24:12,850 --> 02:24:17,930
And we didn't have this kind of vehicular traffic.

1670
02:24:19,370 --> 02:24:25,830
So, sidewalks were not necessary, and little by little we understand the importance for

1671
02:24:25,830 --> 02:24:36,830
so many reasons. Safety, walkability. But I do ask, I am poor, that drivers exercise much

1672
02:24:36,830 --> 02:24:37,270
more care.

1673
02:24:37,330 --> 02:24:41,070
You were involved in the bicycle related into the world?

1674
02:24:41,070 --> 02:24:43,270
Well, yes, both men has been done.

1675
02:24:43,610 --> 02:24:50,850
My husband was hit by a truck and the doctor was counted after 650 stitches to his

1676
02:24:50,850 --> 02:24:52,010
face and head.

1677
02:24:52,250 --> 02:24:52,870
He was very lucky.

1678
02:24:55,950 --> 02:25:02,370
I just simply lost my sense of smell, but I was hospitalized for a week, so yeah, we will

1679
02:25:02,370 --> 02:25:02,770
lost.

1680
02:25:03,370 --> 02:25:08,190
So I just want to mention it's now about 10 PM and we have two more public hearings at

1681
02:25:08,190 --> 02:25:09,970
which people can speak five minutes each.

1682
02:25:09,970 --> 02:25:14,350
Do you want to go for a second round on this public hearing, the Capitol budget?

1683
02:25:14,570 --> 02:25:18,390
I wanted to speak two minutes on this issue.

1684
02:25:18,610 --> 02:25:20,690
So we're having a second round of public comment.

1685
02:25:21,390 --> 02:25:27,210
The reason I wanted to speak again is that we've seen this movie.

1686
02:25:28,350 --> 02:25:31,790
All these pledges you've made before, they have record of them.

1687
02:25:32,310 --> 02:25:37,870
In fact, with respect to the Edge Month's sidewalks, you had a study done for two other sidewalks

1688
02:25:37,870 --> 02:25:39,970
took priority over this one, even on Fort Hill.

1689
02:25:40,290 --> 02:25:41,890
Fort Hill was the one that come next after that,

1690
02:25:41,930 --> 02:25:43,630
and you didn't do those sidewalks.

1691
02:25:44,090 --> 02:25:48,030
That's why I ask you to do an RFP,

1692
02:25:48,310 --> 02:25:49,150
authorize it now.

1693
02:25:49,350 --> 02:25:50,910
Let's find out how much it would cost,

1694
02:25:51,070 --> 02:25:53,310
and it's not just sidewalk.

1695
02:25:54,110 --> 02:25:56,470
And yes, it also should look at underhill,

1696
02:25:56,710 --> 02:25:58,330
because we have people walking down underhill,

1697
02:25:58,350 --> 02:25:59,570
and they have no safe place to walk.

1698
02:26:00,230 --> 02:26:03,650
And when you do take your walk, you'll notice

1699
02:26:03,650 --> 02:26:06,430
that when you're walking down underhill,

1700
02:26:06,430 --> 02:26:08,730
as many people do, people who are employed,

1701
02:26:09,430 --> 02:26:12,470
going to the bus on Central Avenue with a bus stop is

1702
02:26:12,470 --> 02:26:14,650
at the bottom of underhill, at the intersection,

1703
02:26:15,430 --> 02:26:17,690
towards the Accuure dealership, they walk down there.

1704
02:26:18,030 --> 02:26:21,370
There's no safe place for them to walk as they get to Ford Hill.

1705
02:26:22,010 --> 02:26:24,050
Not only is there no safe place for them to walk,

1706
02:26:24,330 --> 02:26:27,130
when they get to the corner, there's no safe place for them

1707
02:26:27,130 --> 02:26:30,350
to stand because there's a telephone pole there,

1708
02:26:30,590 --> 02:26:31,790
which is another challenge.

1709
02:26:32,290 --> 02:26:36,410
But what I suggest that you do is look not just for sidewalk,

1710
02:26:36,410 --> 02:26:42,510
Look for crosswalk. There was no crosswalk. There is no crosswalk on

1711
02:26:42,510 --> 02:26:47,250
Fort Hill Road where that woman tried to cross and there's no adequate

1712
02:26:47,250 --> 02:26:52,390
lighting as I try to explain. You need to do this and you, unfortunately, you

1713
02:26:52,390 --> 02:26:57,590
need to do it now. And if you put it off again, all we can say is we'll be

1714
02:26:57,590 --> 02:27:04,270
back again, but it will be a life lesson for each of us and each of you. And this

1715
02:27:04,270 --> 02:27:10,950
a matter of life and death. I am totally supportive of that. So make a motion. I actually spoke.

1716
02:27:10,970 --> 02:27:21,230
To predict about having a private firm take a look at this earlier today, I basically agree with you that we have to expedite it.

1717
02:27:21,630 --> 02:27:30,850
And I've failed that for something like this, we're doing a lot of sidewalks in the house, but I don't want to see us wait unnecessarily.

1718
02:27:31,570 --> 02:27:36,910
And I'd like to see us figure out a way of expediting, just like we're doing with the Sacred Heart.

1719
02:27:36,910 --> 02:27:44,390
There was an accident there, and the town is being proactive, we're not wasting time, and I think on this.

1720
02:27:45,450 --> 02:27:56,190
This is not politics, this is basically, this is safety, and we have to make sure that residents of the edge run are safe and residents of the entire town are safe.

1721
02:27:56,190 --> 02:28:06,750
And, you know, I'm going to recommend to the town board that we do in RFP, we do it right

1722
02:28:06,750 --> 02:28:16,290
and we try expediting the implementation of this sidewalk, you know, and Victor, maybe,

1723
02:28:16,290 --> 02:28:20,950
you know, we could discuss, you know, this tomorrow, because, you know, there's nothing more

1724
02:28:20,950 --> 02:28:30,670
important than safety of pedestrians, children, and residents, people who visit people in the

1725
02:28:30,670 --> 02:28:37,430
community, there's nothing that I could think of that even comes close and important.

1726
02:28:38,110 --> 02:28:38,770
And you know what?

1727
02:28:38,970 --> 02:28:42,910
There's a woman who loves to life and we have to make sure that we do everything possible

1728
02:28:42,910 --> 02:28:48,070
so nobody else loses their life at this location or any place else, but we also have to

1729
02:28:48,070 --> 02:28:54,110
realize that there's a lot of other locations in the town that needs sidewalks and I think

1730
02:28:54,110 --> 02:28:58,630
one of the, and you know, one of the things that the town is, I feel like we've shown

1731
02:28:58,630 --> 02:29:04,110
a commitment, we're doing more new sidewalks probably than any other community, anywhere in

1732
02:29:04,110 --> 02:29:04,550
Westchester.

1733
02:29:04,970 --> 02:29:09,370
We're going to continue to do that and we're going to spend millions of dollars on this and

1734
02:29:09,370 --> 02:29:10,190
we're going to spend more.

1735
02:29:10,570 --> 02:29:14,790
But I would just like to say I don't think that we should pass the resolution right now because

1736
02:29:14,790 --> 02:29:16,530
we don't have anything prepared.

1737
02:29:17,090 --> 02:29:18,870
And in order to do a proper argument,

1738
02:29:18,970 --> 02:29:21,490
we need to look at it, but we will do one.

1739
02:29:21,730 --> 02:29:25,350
OK, we will watch a way, I hope you go forward with that,

1740
02:29:25,750 --> 02:29:27,690
and with each of the others that have been proposed.

1741
02:29:28,330 --> 02:29:30,670
You know, every year, you generate a list,

1742
02:29:30,930 --> 02:29:31,710
and it goes nowhere.

1743
02:29:32,350 --> 02:29:35,050
We've been doing this list annually for years.

1744
02:29:35,250 --> 02:29:37,190
That's not true, because we will bring this report.

1745
02:29:37,550 --> 02:29:38,550
We'll give you some of the questions.

1746
02:29:38,950 --> 02:29:39,970
OK, that's it.

1747
02:29:43,890 --> 02:29:52,670
I have a lot of objection and second you, okay, I have no objection to anything that anyone

1748
02:29:52,670 --> 02:29:58,310
here has said about sidewalks. I think we all agree. I would like to just call your attention

1749
02:29:58,310 --> 02:30:04,170
in addition to North Washington, which I agree, is desperate when we need a sidewalk. There

1750
02:30:04,170 --> 02:30:11,150
is Hillcrest Avenue, which is the same kind of conduit coming from the west side of Heart

1751
02:30:11,150 --> 02:30:16,510
Steel, down to central Avenue, as you have with Fort Hill. And I feel that it's an accident

1752
02:30:16,510 --> 02:30:22,170
waiting to happen. There was no sidewalk, and on the, um, there was a sidewalk here,

1753
02:30:22,170 --> 02:30:27,690
because I remember, uh, I'm building the sidewalk. In fact, they built it, and then Khan

1754
02:30:27,690 --> 02:30:33,830
had did some work and then I think con had unbolted and then they re-bolted, it's an asphalt

1755
02:30:33,830 --> 02:30:37,790
sidewalk because I bicycle, I bicycle on it.

1756
02:30:38,190 --> 02:30:45,610
I take someone who works for me down there by car all the time because she's afraid to walk

1757
02:30:45,610 --> 02:30:52,710
there and it's very dangerous in the winter, it's very slippery and it's very poorly lit.

1758
02:30:53,430 --> 02:30:59,390
Unfortunately, because, especially in Haxia, because it's so old, and there are a lot of

1759
02:30:59,390 --> 02:31:01,470
areas that have no lights at all.

1760
02:31:01,730 --> 02:31:05,350
For instance, I live on Crosshill, there isn't a single street light.

1761
02:31:05,850 --> 02:31:12,190
There are three neighbors, and myself, who have LED lighting, and we keep it on all night,

1762
02:31:12,490 --> 02:31:15,190
because we're afraid that someone's going to get hit walking in the dark.

1763
02:31:16,430 --> 02:31:19,490
So, we don't need to take a tour to these places.

1764
02:31:19,490 --> 02:31:24,970
Next year is really an excellent opportunity to find out what's going on.

1765
02:31:25,170 --> 02:31:29,630
People who are very vocal they like to vent and I don't think this is a bad thing.

1766
02:31:29,910 --> 02:31:34,390
People need to vent, they need to express themselves and there are a lot of good suggestions.

1767
02:31:35,250 --> 02:31:38,570
And I know that you're on next year, I can't sell them in China.

1768
02:31:39,690 --> 02:31:44,730
So you should really start taking some notes, somebody should, of this suggestion that

1769
02:31:44,730 --> 02:31:55,750
mentioned by these neighbors because we're really respect and they good ideas and then maybe you can come up with an RFD that will include a few of them that are very dangerous

1770
02:31:55,750 --> 02:31:59,070
That's all I really have to say. Thank you very much.

1771
02:32:03,600 --> 02:32:08,280
Hello again. I am my name is Johann Snines. I said HGGS.

1772
02:32:08,280 --> 02:32:14,500
I've only been a resident of Greenberg for the past five years during pre-Hillin particular.

1773
02:32:15,380 --> 02:32:23,140
And I just want to make a public statement to commend Mr. Finer for the work that he's done

1774
02:32:23,140 --> 02:32:30,100
in the short and minor time that I've been here. Part of the civic association responsibility is really bringing

1775
02:32:30,100 --> 02:32:35,780
our issues to the forefront of town leadership, and you've listened.

1776
02:32:36,480 --> 02:32:42,840
We've asked for traffic calming devices on Juniper Health within that community, and as a result,

1777
02:32:43,040 --> 02:32:48,780
we've received the sidewalk on fair street, and we have a commitment to get, I think, about half of

1778
02:32:48,780 --> 02:32:55,060
Juniper Health completed over the next year or so. One of the approaches that we've taken since

1779
02:32:57,040 --> 02:33:03,880
Since I've been part of the community, I'm sure it is just continuing a tradition, is bringing

1780
02:33:03,880 --> 02:33:07,460
these suggestions instead of just actually pointing out the problems.

1781
02:33:08,160 --> 02:33:13,680
We brought a few different recommendations to how we think the town can mitigate traffic

1782
02:33:13,680 --> 02:33:20,920
and safety concerns, and as a result, that was actually how we got introduced and considered

1783
02:33:20,920 --> 02:33:22,420
to be part of the planning committee.

1784
02:33:22,420 --> 02:33:41,420
So I would recommend that not saying that the other communities haven't, but it's been, I think it's been a successful collaboration between Juniper Hill community at large and the leadership for the town to actually get those

1785
02:33:42,720 --> 02:33:50,160
traffic, calming and mitigation measures implemented on behalf of the town.

1786
02:33:50,360 --> 02:33:55,180
Now as a result, we have a sidewalk of fair street that the students use in a regular

1787
02:33:55,180 --> 02:33:59,280
basis as they get to Woodland's high school, and we look forward to the rest of it being

1788
02:33:59,280 --> 02:33:59,740
completed.

1789
02:34:00,880 --> 02:34:01,320
That's all.

1790
02:34:01,820 --> 02:34:02,140
Thank you.

1791
02:34:02,500 --> 02:34:07,840
I just want to say one other thing in the Mr. Bernstein said, this time I spoke at

1792
02:34:07,840 --> 02:34:13,560
as my community council was in 2014, but the last time I was invited to speak was in 2014.

1793
02:34:14,220 --> 02:34:20,080
And I just want to mention that I have never rejected an invitation from any civic association,

1794
02:34:20,240 --> 02:34:25,860
no matter where the civic association is, whether you write me or not to speak.

1795
02:34:26,660 --> 02:34:36,340
I, although you and I and the ECC and I may differ on the incorporation issues, although we differ

1796
02:34:36,340 --> 02:34:40,940
on things, I want you to realize, and I want the people in...

1797
02:34:40,970 --> 02:34:48,870
And who are active in the ECC to realize that we are totally committed to making sure that the

1798
02:34:48,870 --> 02:34:55,090
concern that we're responsive to the concerns of people and edge one, that we want to work with

1799
02:34:55,090 --> 02:35:00,190
the people in edge one. You could fight on some issues, but we don't have to fight on everything.

1800
02:35:01,110 --> 02:35:08,310
And the thing is, if we were successful in getting this sidewalk on silly, because there are old edge

1801
02:35:08,870 --> 02:35:14,510
association, yes, work with us. We were successful in getting the sidewalk on

1802
02:35:15,010 --> 02:35:19,370
Izzley Road from South of Izzley Road, you know, about the front, forward

1803
02:35:19,370 --> 02:35:22,490
whole world. You're repeating yourself. No, I'm just saying, we want to say this.

1804
02:35:22,630 --> 02:35:26,430
Okay, good bad. It's noted for the record. I move and we close this here.

1805
02:35:27,690 --> 02:35:28,250
Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

1806
02:35:28,250 --> 02:35:33,050
I'm saying, but we have a Patricia Williams. Patricia Williams wanted to be.

1807
02:35:33,610 --> 02:35:38,010
Yes. I did. I did. But they recognize it is late. But I wanted to say we do have a

1808
02:35:38,010 --> 02:35:43,310
I did not have a comprehensive plan.

1809
02:35:43,630 --> 02:35:46,350
As far as I know, no African Americans, anybody of color

1810
02:35:46,350 --> 02:35:48,370
was invited to be on that committee.

1811
02:35:48,890 --> 02:35:50,630
And that you had all commissioners run.

1812
02:35:51,230 --> 02:35:53,950
But obviously we don't have any black commissioners

1813
02:35:53,950 --> 02:35:55,970
because they've got to start.

1814
02:35:56,510 --> 02:35:57,070
You're right.

1815
02:35:57,310 --> 02:36:00,070
We do have a no way, but they weren't, I was saying,

1816
02:36:00,230 --> 02:36:03,010
they were not invited to participate in that 25 year

1817
02:36:03,730 --> 02:36:05,730
comprehensive plan, which I tried.

1818
02:36:05,730 --> 02:36:06,510
That's not true.

1819
02:36:06,510 --> 02:36:08,570
Who got on a name name?

1820
02:36:08,830 --> 02:36:10,070
By all of them.

1821
02:36:10,210 --> 02:36:11,210
That's what a name is.

1822
02:36:11,210 --> 02:36:12,130
You said nobody.

1823
02:36:12,510 --> 02:36:15,070
No, but when I was going to go there, I was going to go there.

1824
02:36:15,570 --> 02:36:16,670
No, I was going to go there.

1825
02:36:16,670 --> 02:36:17,130
I was going to go there.

1826
02:36:17,430 --> 02:36:18,770
That's right.

1827
02:36:18,930 --> 02:36:19,710
Let me finish you.

1828
02:36:19,890 --> 02:36:20,690
Thank you.

1829
02:36:21,110 --> 02:36:23,850
And there will be a that person coming on board.

1830
02:36:24,990 --> 02:36:25,810
We're not doing well.

1831
02:36:26,590 --> 02:36:29,250
We're not doing well.

1832
02:36:29,250 --> 02:36:29,590
Okay.

1833
02:36:29,990 --> 02:36:30,950
Can I have something else something to do with this?

1834
02:36:30,950 --> 02:36:31,350
Yes.

1835
02:36:31,710 --> 02:36:35,430
We have a problem because you can't do health-to-scalter.

1836
02:36:35,430 --> 02:36:42,050
without a plan. If you're going to build and do sidewalks, you have to have a progressive plan.

1837
02:36:42,350 --> 02:36:47,050
You can't go to the edge of my today, and then flip over and go to Central Agnotes tomorrow,

1838
02:36:47,390 --> 02:36:53,330
then flip over and go to Central Agnotes tomorrow. What you need to do is figure out what the plan is going to be,

1839
02:36:53,570 --> 02:36:58,030
that everybody knows how it is, because the plan is, anybody that gets hit and killed,

1840
02:36:58,290 --> 02:37:04,710
then that's what we put the sidewalk. And that's not a good plan. So select a method of operation,

1841
02:37:04,710 --> 02:37:06,710
and follow through.

1842
02:37:08,810 --> 02:37:08,870
Okay.

1843
02:37:09,230 --> 02:37:09,950
So it's next.

1844
02:37:10,310 --> 02:37:11,410
Would you close the public hearing?

1845
02:37:11,990 --> 02:37:14,150
No, we have a vote of the motion.

1846
02:37:14,170 --> 02:37:15,610
We have a vote of the motion.

1847
02:37:15,770 --> 02:37:16,610
I may say that.

1848
02:37:16,610 --> 02:37:18,170
I'll be sitting down in the back.

1849
02:37:18,990 --> 02:37:19,630
All in favour?

1850
02:37:19,910 --> 02:37:21,830
I'll be sitting down in the back.

1851
02:37:21,830 --> 02:37:22,470
I'll be sitting down in the back.

1852
02:37:22,470 --> 02:37:22,690
I'll be sitting down in the back.

1853
02:37:23,210 --> 02:37:23,930
I'll be sitting down in the back.

1854
02:37:24,010 --> 02:37:25,650
I'll be sitting down in the back.

1855
02:37:25,650 --> 02:37:30,410
Can we close the hearing?

1856
02:37:30,710 --> 02:37:31,090
Yes.

1857
02:37:31,190 --> 02:37:32,330
We're leaving the record open.

1858
02:37:32,330 --> 02:37:35,330
until the summer, until the summer of the 70s.

1859
02:37:36,350 --> 02:37:37,070
How long?

1860
02:37:38,030 --> 02:37:38,750
70s.

1861
02:37:38,750 --> 02:37:39,030
Okay.

1862
02:37:39,950 --> 02:37:40,090
Okay.

1863
02:37:40,530 --> 02:37:40,730
Okay.

1864
02:37:40,730 --> 02:37:40,770
Okay.

1865
02:37:41,130 --> 02:37:42,970
About seven days.

1866
02:37:44,170 --> 02:37:44,390
Okay.

1867
02:37:44,570 --> 02:37:45,490
And who's seconding?

1868
02:37:47,570 --> 02:37:47,850
Okay.

1869
02:37:48,790 --> 02:37:49,310
Continue.

1870
02:37:50,010 --> 02:37:50,970
From 925.

1871
02:37:51,130 --> 02:37:52,190
Town Board meeting adjourned.

1872
02:37:52,410 --> 02:37:53,710
From 1023.

1873
02:37:54,150 --> 02:37:54,590
Town Board meeting.

1874
02:37:54,790 --> 02:37:58,810
To consider eliminating the current hybrid rental charges imposed by the Greenberg.

1875
02:37:58,810 --> 02:38:01,650
consolidated what a district on the Fairview Fire District,

1876
02:38:01,890 --> 02:38:03,850
Green Wolf Fire District, and Hard Self Fire District,

1877
02:38:04,170 --> 02:38:06,390
as well as villages providing fire protection

1878
02:38:06,390 --> 02:38:09,310
district services to areas served by the G.C.

1879
02:38:09,390 --> 02:38:14,390
W.D. in the adding of fire or hydrant charge to G.C. W.D.

1880
02:38:14,510 --> 02:38:16,510
What did usage bills, and if so,

1881
02:38:16,530 --> 02:38:19,410
the preferred method for doing solid like to move out?

1882
02:38:19,730 --> 02:38:20,610
It's not open to hearing.

1883
02:38:20,870 --> 02:38:23,610
I'd like to open the hearing, if I were on fire.

1884
02:38:28,570 --> 02:38:29,730
Anybody like to speak?

1885
02:38:31,170 --> 02:38:36,970
We do not have any requests at the moment to speak on the hearing.

1886
02:38:38,130 --> 02:38:40,450
I would like to make opening.

1887
02:38:50,300 --> 02:38:51,120
Hey, good evening.

1888
02:38:51,400 --> 02:38:52,940
Good evening for the record Victor Carrosi.

1889
02:38:53,140 --> 02:38:55,260
Commissioner of Public Works for the Town of Greenberg.

1890
02:38:55,660 --> 02:38:59,380
And it's a continuation of a public hearing for the action

1891
02:38:59,380 --> 02:39:04,000
at Town Board is considering of eliminating the high parental charge,

1892
02:39:04,000 --> 02:39:05,240
assessed by the Town of Greenberg.

1893
02:39:05,240 --> 02:39:10,220
And we're at the point now where we're actually looking into alternatives for the water

1894
02:39:10,220 --> 02:39:14,100
district to recoup the fees that would normally have been charged with fire districts.

1895
02:39:14,460 --> 02:39:21,200
At a previous town board meeting the town did move in cooperation with the fire districts

1896
02:39:21,200 --> 02:39:23,500
to eliminate the fee.

1897
02:39:23,960 --> 02:39:31,640
The hearing has been held open for us to continue discussions on methodology that would be appropriate

1898
02:39:32,640 --> 02:39:41,280
to allow the district to charge its customers a fee that would be reasonable that unfair across

1899
02:39:41,280 --> 02:39:42,680
our different customer basis.

1900
02:39:44,120 --> 02:39:48,200
The matter is still open and I think at this point, if I wouldn't want to open it to

1901
02:39:48,200 --> 02:39:53,320
any comments of the public and I have to talk a little bit further on this matter.

1902
02:39:55,820 --> 02:39:59,560
And the prizeer, and then the digital wings.

1903
02:40:17,950 --> 02:40:18,750
And the prizeer.

1904
02:40:19,290 --> 02:40:20,830
This will be brief.

1905
02:40:21,210 --> 02:40:23,010
Victor, I have a question though.

1906
02:40:23,230 --> 02:40:25,950
I finally went online and read this,

1907
02:40:26,070 --> 02:40:29,770
which is not an easy document to read.

1908
02:40:31,170 --> 02:40:37,350
But I do understand that the board is being asked to consider alternative number four,

1909
02:40:38,230 --> 02:40:42,710
which means we as residents are going to pay

1910
02:40:42,710 --> 02:40:53,170
39 cents for every thousand gallons of water we use, and the businesses, and I presume

1911
02:40:53,170 --> 02:41:00,190
does that include things like churches and schools, and what have you, do they pay the

1912
02:41:00,190 --> 02:41:11,050
flat rate of 4441 in 98 cents or are they under the residential, I'm not sure how that works.

1913
02:41:11,050 --> 02:41:29,350
But the other thing that concern me is there are comments at the beginning and also at the end of this document that a total amount of money is not being recovered under the current system.

1914
02:41:29,350 --> 02:41:41,110
And can you please explain to those of us who found this not a difficult, a rather difficult read what this means?

1915
02:41:41,770 --> 02:41:49,250
And does that mean our water rates are going to go up to cover these uncovered costs?

1916
02:41:50,110 --> 02:41:51,470
Thank you.

1917
02:41:52,270 --> 02:41:54,310
Miss Weems, right she's ex?

1918
02:42:01,650 --> 02:42:04,470
Anybody else want to speak before Mr. Corrosi responds?

1919
02:42:11,910 --> 02:42:32,150
First of all, thanks for reading that. Yes, it's a very difficult document to go through. There's a lot of details, because this decision to change the fees from a admiral arm, part of your taxes that one would pay to your fire district, based upon the value of your home.

1920
02:42:32,150 --> 02:42:39,110
And instead taking that net dollar value that would be received by the consolidated water

1921
02:42:39,110 --> 02:42:44,550
district and finding another way to distribute those funds across our customer base

1922
02:42:44,550 --> 02:42:46,270
does present certain challenges.

1923
02:42:47,870 --> 02:42:51,410
But first question was regarding the schools and churches.

1924
02:42:53,150 --> 02:42:55,790
That's still actually an open matter with respect to the schools.

1925
02:42:56,590 --> 02:43:00,650
Churches and in most cases, in other areas, in some of the places of worship,

1926
02:43:00,650 --> 02:43:06,970
tend to very low water use and are normally not associated with a commercial base, but are

1927
02:43:06,970 --> 02:43:14,350
built usually quarterly. So most likely that would continue for them. The schools are

1928
02:43:14,350 --> 02:43:19,850
built on a, usually generally higher consumption and are built on a monthly basis.

1929
02:43:20,870 --> 02:43:27,590
We're looking at the differences, the break points, if you will, for a school that might

1930
02:43:27,590 --> 02:43:31,230
have a large water consumption and making the comparisons

1931
02:43:31,230 --> 02:43:35,730
between the volumetric fee that you did directly mention,

1932
02:43:35,910 --> 02:43:41,970
39 cents per thousand gallons, as compared to the fixed fee

1933
02:43:41,970 --> 02:43:44,970
and trying to understand where those break points are

1934
02:43:44,970 --> 02:43:48,890
and what would be the appropriate manner in which to assess that fee.

1935
02:43:50,470 --> 02:43:52,150
It's not an exact science.

1936
02:43:52,290 --> 02:43:56,610
In terms of what we're trying to do is to apply general accepted methodology

1937
02:43:56,610 --> 02:44:02,350
the two finding the right way to be as far as possible to everybody.

1938
02:44:03,310 --> 02:44:10,230
That's really what this entire action began with is trying to bring a little bit more

1939
02:44:10,230 --> 02:44:10,690
fairness.

1940
02:44:11,370 --> 02:44:17,790
It was perceived that the costs, certain parcels or certain properties within fire districts

1941
02:44:17,790 --> 02:44:24,850
were tax exempt, that it was perceived that they were not paying a fair share of the

1942
02:44:24,850 --> 02:44:28,130
and possibly associated with the fire hydrant.

1943
02:44:28,610 --> 02:44:32,430
So that was a belief the initial concept behind the passing

1944
02:44:32,430 --> 02:44:39,110
of the state law back in 2013 and ultimately where we are today.

1945
02:44:39,770 --> 02:44:44,350
If there's some clarification that I'm happy to hear otherwise.

1946
02:44:45,130 --> 02:44:53,450
With respect to the concern about the idea that the town has additional fees

1947
02:44:53,450 --> 02:45:06,750
to collect for fire charges. That is not actually correct with respect to the concept that

1948
02:45:06,750 --> 02:45:14,630
was floated by our consultant, Rath Tellis. What they were trying to explain is in general

1949
02:45:14,630 --> 02:45:24,450
So what this idea in a water utility is relating to fire hydrant charges, it's the tradition

1950
02:45:24,450 --> 02:45:34,370
of most water utilities to charge separately for fire hydrants as a way of recouping

1951
02:45:34,370 --> 02:45:41,690
the additional size of their district, if you will, from a distribution perspective, the

1952
02:45:41,690 --> 02:45:52,290
That's necessary in water tanks, the additional size of the piping necessary to provide that flow in the event of a fire.

1953
02:45:54,170 --> 02:46:06,250
And the concept is, there's certain maintenance also going to the fire hydrants where there's a simple painting, lubricating and testing of them to replacing with the fire hydrants.

1954
02:46:06,250 --> 02:46:16,170
So, what our consultant board forward was an accepted practice in the general industry for trying

1955
02:46:16,170 --> 02:46:23,910
to develop what the expected up increase in cost to a water district is if it had to,

1956
02:46:24,170 --> 02:46:28,950
if it versus if it did not have to provide the larger water mains or larger storage tanks

1957
02:46:28,950 --> 02:46:30,170
for fire purposes.

1958
02:46:31,190 --> 02:46:34,010
So, it's just an industry way of dealing it.

1959
02:46:34,010 --> 02:46:39,730
And the conclusion from our consultant was that if we wanted to apply that model, they would

1960
02:46:39,730 --> 02:46:47,470
recommend raising our hydrant rental fees to adjust for what these calculations shows

1961
02:46:47,470 --> 02:46:53,670
would be the accepted portion of our budget that would be paying for the increased size

1962
02:46:53,670 --> 02:46:56,970
of our distribution system for fire purposes.

1963
02:46:57,570 --> 02:47:01,170
It's not that we're looking to raise more revenue.

1964
02:47:01,170 --> 02:47:07,670
It's just a theoretical approach to fire hydrants trying to justify the fire hydrant rental

1965
02:47:07,670 --> 02:47:15,910
charge to begin with, and it just shows that the town historically was undercharging

1966
02:47:15,910 --> 02:47:22,730
what it could potentially could have been for fire hydrant fees, and instead the theoretical

1967
02:47:22,730 --> 02:47:25,570
difference in cost were being spread to our ratepayers.

1968
02:47:26,850 --> 02:47:32,710
So, it's a theoretical approach to it, it's not a reality as far as that it's going to cost

1969
02:47:32,710 --> 02:47:34,170
as X number of dollars.

1970
02:47:35,030 --> 02:47:39,530
It's just an exercise that they thought was appropriate to try to explain the idea of

1971
02:47:39,530 --> 02:47:43,190
hydrant rental charges, and I hope I helped translate that.

1972
02:47:43,190 --> 02:47:44,950
I know it's still a little hard,

1973
02:47:47,670 --> 02:47:51,530
but it's really, it's still cost as X number of dollars

1974
02:47:51,530 --> 02:47:52,710
to operate the district.

1975
02:47:52,710 --> 02:47:58,890
It's, they felt that part of that X number, if you had charge it one way and split the

1976
02:47:58,890 --> 02:48:00,970
cost up differently, but it's still the same.

1977
02:48:01,030 --> 02:48:04,610
But the bottom line is it's still the same amount of money it cost us to operate to district.

1978
02:48:04,750 --> 02:48:08,590
And it was just saying that if you wanted to split the part in a different way, you could do it that way.

1979
02:48:10,550 --> 02:48:12,530
So that's really what all it's talking about.

1980
02:48:12,530 --> 02:48:16,470
It isn't really not the charge to operate the district in this domain.

1981
02:48:16,770 --> 02:48:17,590
It's a charge to maintain the hydrants.

1982
02:48:20,210 --> 02:48:22,690
It's a charge to maintain the charge.

1983
02:48:22,690 --> 02:48:28,910
hydrants, and in the theoretical approach to it, it's also the charges to have a slightly

1984
02:48:28,910 --> 02:48:36,250
larger diameter, water mains, slightly larger water storage tanks, pumps, and things like

1985
02:48:36,250 --> 02:48:36,470
that.

1986
02:48:36,550 --> 02:48:40,830
Again, it's a theoretical, and that's what it talks about how different water refilits

1987
02:48:40,830 --> 02:48:48,110
got together and try to understand what these approach to the extra need for fire protection

1988
02:48:48,110 --> 02:48:48,690
services.

1989
02:48:48,690 --> 02:48:50,670
And that's simply from the water perspective,

1990
02:48:50,790 --> 02:48:52,670
it's got nothing to do with obviously fired

1991
02:48:52,670 --> 02:48:53,950
departments themselves.

1992
02:48:55,570 --> 02:48:56,570
I'd be given any thought.

1993
02:48:56,890 --> 02:48:58,990
I would be into the discussion about

1994
02:48:58,990 --> 02:49:00,930
breaking out the ad below prior

1995
02:49:01,610 --> 02:49:05,190
ablory of method commercial versus residential

1996
02:49:05,190 --> 02:49:07,170
to see what that ratio was.

1997
02:49:07,410 --> 02:49:10,370
And then see if we can come up with a number

1998
02:49:10,370 --> 02:49:13,730
as where would be representative of that ratio.

1999
02:49:15,070 --> 02:49:18,150
Currently, for example,

2000
02:49:18,150 --> 02:49:24,970
So, you know, of course, these, you know, quite a bit of water with their sprinkler system,

2001
02:49:25,730 --> 02:49:29,690
but I don't believe they would be on a volumetric method, right?

2002
02:49:30,450 --> 02:49:38,570
They would be on a fixed, fixed, at the residential homeowner would be on the volumetric method.

2003
02:49:39,270 --> 02:49:40,930
And again, just to be clear, we...

2004
02:49:40,970 --> 02:49:54,270
We're talking about a very small portion of the bill, everybody pays, whether it's the golf course, the sanitary, the commercial establishment,

2005
02:49:56,550 --> 02:50:06,290
Coca-Cola, got the Lawrence, they will pay for the water that they use, and do so at the sanitary fence.

2006
02:50:06,290 --> 02:50:11,690
There are a couple of different ways we're still trying to go forward with.

2007
02:50:12,010 --> 02:50:13,410
Definitely that's one approach.

2008
02:50:14,510 --> 02:50:20,650
I've also been reaching out to my colleagues at Suez Water to understand a little bit

2009
02:50:20,650 --> 02:50:22,810
more about how they've been recouping the feet.

2010
02:50:23,010 --> 02:50:27,450
I understand that they've been doing it traditionally on the size of the water meter going

2011
02:50:27,450 --> 02:50:34,470
into a home, but interestingly enough they also bring in another factor, and that's what

2012
02:50:34,470 --> 02:50:39,930
going to explore further is based upon the number of hydrants in a particular billing district.

2013
02:50:41,750 --> 02:50:48,250
We, in our analysis, chose to look at the entire Greenberg consolidated water district

2014
02:50:48,250 --> 02:50:56,090
as one, and perhaps there might be some ways that we could adjust the fairness quotient

2015
02:50:56,090 --> 02:50:59,390
by balancing it across by districts.

2016
02:50:59,390 --> 02:51:04,990
It's a certain difficult we have currently and that's trying to resolve is our database

2017
02:51:04,990 --> 02:51:12,330
from our water perspective, our water customers does not have a key to sort based upon our

2018
02:51:12,330 --> 02:51:17,490
customers and what fire district they reside as opposed to our assessment and tax data

2019
02:51:17,490 --> 02:51:18,810
which has that key.

2020
02:51:19,790 --> 02:51:24,910
So we're internally working with trying to find the way to match those up and to be able

2021
02:51:24,910 --> 02:51:27,450
to allow us to provide some more what if scenario.

2022
02:51:27,450 --> 02:51:35,390
So I'd like to, one of the concern, and I think why we've been continuing to have this open

2023
02:51:35,390 --> 02:51:40,850
public hearing for probably, I guess, two months or so now, a month and a half, is

2024
02:51:40,850 --> 02:51:45,550
because we're struggling to try to make this as fair as we can to our all-of-hour water

2025
02:51:45,550 --> 02:51:46,030
customers.

2026
02:51:47,030 --> 02:51:52,630
We definitely don't want to favor one class over another class of customers.

2027
02:51:52,630 --> 02:51:58,990
We don't want to, we want to make sure that we're balancing these fees out as reasonable as possible.

2028
02:51:59,910 --> 02:52:06,690
We don't want to find a low consumption individual paying very high value.

2029
02:52:07,230 --> 02:52:16,730
At the same time, we also don't want to have one of our larger customers subsidizing the fire services for many, many of our regular customers.

2030
02:52:16,730 --> 02:52:18,910
So that's the still that challenge.

2031
02:52:19,890 --> 02:52:23,590
And to this day, I respectfully have not

2032
02:52:23,590 --> 02:52:26,410
been able to come up with a better solution than we had,

2033
02:52:26,710 --> 02:52:30,190
which is the two-step process by-fricated process

2034
02:52:30,950 --> 02:52:34,930
of our quarterly customers for the most part,

2035
02:52:35,110 --> 02:52:36,710
using the volumetric rate.

2036
02:52:37,410 --> 02:52:40,610
And our larger users, our customer base,

2037
02:52:40,670 --> 02:52:43,570
paying the flat fee, it seemed to be a way

2038
02:52:43,570 --> 02:52:47,950
had balanced it across most of the scenarios that we worked.

2039
02:52:49,730 --> 02:52:55,070
But I think that the not everybody is completely comfortable with that approach.

2040
02:52:56,530 --> 02:52:59,930
And with all the challenges we have in our department for many items, we're still working

2041
02:52:59,930 --> 02:53:02,330
on trying to resolve these calculations.

2042
02:53:02,950 --> 02:53:07,630
And it's fair to say that since January 1st is approaching, we need to come up with some

2043
02:53:07,630 --> 02:53:10,090
solution, even if it's not the ideal solution.

2044
02:53:12,910 --> 02:53:19,210
Yes, that would be definitely a fair statement, because otherwise we have a potential of

2045
02:53:19,210 --> 02:53:27,230
starting the year theoretically at a deficit situation, and it would be better for us financially

2046
02:53:27,230 --> 02:53:29,130
if we could resolve this ahead of that time.

2047
02:53:29,770 --> 02:53:32,330
And my office does understand the needs for that.

2048
02:53:32,390 --> 02:53:36,830
Again, we're trying to work as best we can to come up with there, and I would like to be able to have a good

2049
02:53:36,830 --> 02:53:41,090
solution that I explained to public and say it's a fair and reasonable.

2050
02:53:41,410 --> 02:53:51,410
We felt that the two-step process of a rate to the quarterly customers in the spot fee

2051
02:53:51,410 --> 02:53:56,010
to our commercial base would be a approach that would be fair, and there are some nuances

2052
02:53:56,010 --> 02:53:59,310
and I think we continue to work those out.

2053
02:54:01,770 --> 02:54:07,730
I would move that way, homes over to December 11th, hopefully, resolve it.

2054
02:54:07,890 --> 02:54:15,910
Many people came out in support of removing this from the fire district bills, and people

2055
02:54:15,910 --> 02:54:23,430
who speak certainly, but many people came out in support of removing this off of the fire

2056
02:54:24,790 --> 02:54:30,770
district bills and putting it on to the water bills, which is why we took that action.

2057
02:54:30,770 --> 02:54:37,730
this is a tougher call and so and he was done met anyone might have been

2058
02:54:37,730 --> 02:54:43,610
how best to do that. These are the entertainer comments these

2059
02:54:43,610 --> 02:54:46,490
public hearings. Second. No favor.

2060
02:54:46,790 --> 02:54:48,370
Hi. Thank you.

2061
02:55:00,070 --> 02:55:03,250
Okay. The last one is hearing. It's a

2062
02:55:03,250 --> 02:55:06,830
concern amendments to chapter 140 of the code of the 10th Greenberg

2063
02:55:06,830 --> 02:55:10,030
entitled Exposes and Blessing. I'd like to move on.

2064
02:55:13,670 --> 02:55:16,730
Good evening, Supervisor Feiner and Members of the Town Board.

2065
02:55:17,010 --> 02:55:21,170
For the record, Garrett Ducane, Commissioner of the Department of Community, Development and Conservation.

2066
02:55:22,170 --> 02:55:29,030
The public hearing this evening pertains to the Town of Greenberg's Regulation of Blasting and Potential Chipping Regulation.

2067
02:55:29,030 --> 02:55:33,390
Presently chapter 140 entitled Explosives and Blasting,

2068
02:55:33,850 --> 02:55:37,230
comprehensively regulates blasting by a permit process.

2069
02:55:37,850 --> 02:55:40,590
The town's blasting law was approved in 1995

2070
02:55:40,590 --> 02:55:43,330
and was last amended in 1997.

2071
02:55:44,570 --> 02:55:48,890
The present blasting law contains pre-blast survey requirements

2072
02:55:48,890 --> 02:55:50,670
of surrounding homes and areas,

2073
02:55:51,370 --> 02:55:54,390
noticing requirements, permitted hours of operation,

2074
02:55:55,330 --> 02:55:57,350
extensive blast logging requirements,

2075
02:55:57,350 --> 02:56:02,230
for vibration standards and limits and penalties for offenses.

2076
02:56:03,270 --> 02:56:09,910
A major component of the proposed amendment to the law is the incorporation of specific regulations pertaining to shipping.

2077
02:56:10,910 --> 02:56:18,390
Accordingly, the proposed laws proposed to be amended from the title of explosives and blasting to explosives blasting and shipping.

2078
02:56:19,590 --> 02:56:25,790
The land use boards of the town primarily the town board and the planning board, as well as the building inspector,

2079
02:56:25,790 --> 02:56:31,010
presently utilize best management practices with respect to chipping in the town.

2080
02:56:31,730 --> 02:56:36,730
The best management practices are presently enforced in connections with conditions

2081
02:56:36,730 --> 02:56:41,990
of approval by the town board and the planning board, or enforced by the building inspector

2082
02:56:41,990 --> 02:56:45,670
as part of chipping protocol associated with the building permit.

2083
02:56:46,430 --> 02:56:50,970
The proposed local law seeks to place these chipping-related best management practices

2084
02:56:50,970 --> 02:56:57,250
into Chapter 140 of the Code of the Town of Greenberg by essentially codifying them.

2085
02:56:57,730 --> 02:57:00,250
Similar to the blasting protocol of Chapter 140,

2086
02:57:00,770 --> 02:57:05,010
the proposed shipping local law language specifies a process that includes

2087
02:57:05,010 --> 02:57:09,410
a requirement for a seismic refraction survey and related report.

2088
02:57:10,010 --> 02:57:10,950
Protocol, if the report...

2089
02:57:10,970 --> 02:57:21,970
Four indicates that chipping is not advisable as a practical means of excavation, hours of operation, dust control measures, noise, thresholds, etc.

2090
02:57:23,350 --> 02:57:33,530
In addition to updating the law with chipping provisions, the amendment also would do the following, create a single blast not to exceed threshold,

2091
02:57:33,530 --> 02:57:43,850
Modify the vibration standards to replace existing parameters with criteria consistent with the US Bureau of Mind's safe vibration criteria.

2092
02:57:44,610 --> 02:57:51,330
Double the present fines for penalties and retain restrictions of operating on Saturdays, Sundays, and holidays.

2093
02:57:52,470 --> 02:58:01,190
The local wall was prepared in consultation with the town's building inspector, the legal department, and the town's independent and expert blasting chipping consultant.

2094
02:58:01,190 --> 02:58:08,690
Mr. Dominic Carrot-Tazolo. Mr. Carrot-Tazolo is a licensed New York State Blaster who has worked

2095
02:58:08,690 --> 02:58:13,990
in his present capacity as consultant for the town for close to 27 years and has conducted

2096
02:58:13,990 --> 02:58:19,510
blast inspections for 12 municipalities in Westchester. In conferring with each of the professionals

2097
02:58:19,510 --> 02:58:24,090
that contributed to this amendment, I have confidence that the town's regulations in this

2098
02:58:24,090 --> 02:58:29,170
respect and, as proposed, strike a good balance between allowing for responsible development

2099
02:58:29,170 --> 02:58:33,850
in the town, and the duty to protect the health and safety of the town's residents, businesses,

2100
02:58:34,130 --> 02:58:34,970
and property owners.

2101
02:58:35,610 --> 02:58:40,910
Lastly, chapter 380 entitled Noise in Section 387.

2102
02:58:41,350 --> 02:58:47,770
I'm sorry, 380-7G is proposed to have the word blasting deleted as this section's hours

2103
02:58:47,770 --> 02:58:49,830
of operations do not pertain to blasting.

2104
02:58:52,790 --> 02:58:53,410
Thank you.

2105
02:58:57,250 --> 02:58:58,530
Anyone want to speak?

2106
02:58:58,530 --> 02:59:01,970
I'm not

2107
02:59:18,030 --> 02:59:23,710
going to ask any technical question because I spoke with Dominic before the meeting

2108
02:59:23,710 --> 02:59:24,190
started.

2109
02:59:24,770 --> 02:59:26,170
So he explained something.

2110
02:59:26,730 --> 02:59:28,790
But I do have one question.

2111
02:59:30,270 --> 02:59:35,910
Was this properly noticed about changing the noise ordinance too?

2112
02:59:36,790 --> 02:59:41,790
There is nothing listed on the agenda and when I looked it up,

2113
02:59:41,790 --> 02:59:51,490
I was very surprised when I read through the document and I saw that the noise ordinance was also, and I know it's very minor.

2114
02:59:51,950 --> 02:59:53,430
It's deleting a word.

2115
02:59:54,070 --> 02:59:59,790
But don't you have to properly notice a law when you change it?

2116
03:00:00,970 --> 03:00:01,790
My only question.

2117
03:00:01,790 --> 03:00:02,710
I

2118
03:00:05,460 --> 03:00:07,180
noticed the same thing,

2119
03:00:09,340 --> 03:00:11,880
I don't know what the actual note is said, but it's a local

2120
03:00:11,880 --> 03:00:16,040
law and ending chapter 140 of the Code of the Town of Greenburg and Tidal Blasting.

2121
03:00:16,320 --> 03:00:23,600
It's both as a blasting, but then when you look at the actual list of amendments it includes

2122
03:00:23,600 --> 03:00:24,240
noise.

2123
03:00:25,700 --> 03:00:26,840
Will it best to get help?

2124
03:00:27,080 --> 03:00:27,460
Will it go?

2125
03:00:27,900 --> 03:00:28,080
Will it go?

2126
03:00:33,070 --> 03:00:33,210
Will it go?

2127
03:00:33,270 --> 03:00:33,750
Anybody?

2128
03:00:34,770 --> 03:00:36,710
So we're going to close the hearing?

2129
03:00:37,010 --> 03:00:38,410
Well, we can't close the hearing.

2130
03:00:38,690 --> 03:00:39,130
We can't close the hearing.

2131
03:00:39,410 --> 03:00:41,770
So we should be holding this over.

2132
03:00:42,210 --> 03:00:44,170
Because we're holding it over.

2133
03:00:45,130 --> 03:00:48,830
Gary, does this a time sensitive amendment?

2134
03:00:49,350 --> 03:00:55,890
Given that check we have the several public hearings that have already been adjourned for December 11.

2135
03:00:56,110 --> 03:00:57,710
The important local law, not urgent.

2136
03:00:57,710 --> 03:01:05,570
on a time sense. I think what will happen is the local law will reformat it to be very clear

2137
03:01:05,570 --> 03:01:13,950
up front about the change to the minor change to chapter 380 and we'll take another look at the

2138
03:01:13,950 --> 03:01:18,230
notice that went out in the newspaper. Why is table 1 and table 2 coming out?

2139
03:01:41,160 --> 03:01:41,640
I would like to

2140
03:01:41,640 --> 03:01:43,400
OZZ, OLO.

2141
03:01:45,700 --> 03:01:51,220
Table 1 and 2 were formally as that were developed by the U.S. Bureau of Minds for what would

2142
03:01:51,220 --> 03:01:56,740
be safe criteria in terms of explosives based upon the distance.

2143
03:01:57,320 --> 03:02:01,620
It's not really applicable anymore because we require size of grass for each and every

2144
03:02:01,620 --> 03:02:05,840
blast, so the size of grass will pick up the readings from those blasts.

2145
03:02:07,890 --> 03:02:13,790
Are there many people that have the qualifications necessary to inspect these?

2146
03:02:14,430 --> 03:02:15,930
And many of the organizations,

2147
03:02:19,610 --> 03:02:22,110
how does that work is looking for an inspector?

2148
03:02:22,550 --> 03:02:32,610
I know that you do inspections for the town, but how do somebody find somebody like you or somebody else?

2149
03:02:32,610 --> 03:02:39,790
Well, to my knowledge, I'm the only one who's doing it in Westchester County on behalf of municipalities.

2150
03:02:40,870 --> 03:02:44,590
You have some seismograph companies that do it.

2151
03:02:44,710 --> 03:02:48,610
They call a third party monitoring, but there's.

2152
03:02:49,530 --> 03:02:54,890
I feel a little problem with that in that they're often hired either by the developer or the blast in company,

2153
03:02:55,370 --> 03:02:58,630
whereas I'm the only person who represents the government and the people.

2154
03:02:58,630 --> 03:03:05,010
So, you know, but there are other people who have, you know, licensed New York State blasting

2155
03:03:05,010 --> 03:03:11,470
licenses and whatnot, but nobody else just works exclusively on behalf of the government.

2156
03:03:12,410 --> 03:03:13,550
So, how are fees determined?

2157
03:03:14,370 --> 03:03:21,470
I mean, just like any other consultant, if you hired an engineering firm or attorneys, you

2158
03:03:21,470 --> 03:03:26,670
know, they have their fee structures, I have mine, so, you know, I don't think I've changed

2159
03:03:26,670 --> 03:03:34,890
in five years, like I give it some consideration, but that's basically it, you know, I guess

2160
03:03:34,890 --> 03:03:35,250
my point.

2161
03:03:35,370 --> 03:03:38,850
My fees are not the citizens don't pay for me at all.

2162
03:03:39,190 --> 03:03:44,630
My fees are paid for by the developer, goes into an escrow fund, controlled by the town,

2163
03:03:44,950 --> 03:03:47,270
so I received my check from the town.

2164
03:03:47,650 --> 03:03:53,970
So is there some kind of a industry standard for glass or whatever you want to charge?

2165
03:03:53,970 --> 03:03:57,810
Now, there's no industry standard, don't.

2166
03:03:57,930 --> 03:04:00,230
What do you call applications to be a blasting inspector?

2167
03:04:00,970 --> 03:04:03,790
Well, I'm a licensed near blaster.

2168
03:04:04,430 --> 03:04:08,250
I also have a degree in public safety from Mercy College.

2169
03:04:08,630 --> 03:04:10,890
I served with a fire department for 20 years.

2170
03:04:11,570 --> 03:04:14,810
So basically, the background is one of safety.

2171
03:04:18,170 --> 03:04:20,730
But when I would do one time to see a blast,

2172
03:04:20,910 --> 03:04:24,150
and I was all excited about seeing this blast anyway.

2173
03:04:25,010 --> 03:04:26,450
That's what's there.

2174
03:04:26,730 --> 03:04:27,090
That's what's there.

2175
03:04:27,090 --> 03:04:31,530
Well, that's exactly the...

2176
03:04:31,530 --> 03:04:32,010
What's that?

2177
03:04:33,830 --> 03:04:35,430
Yeah, we don't want trauma.

2178
03:04:35,990 --> 03:04:36,410
That's what it's called.

2179
03:04:37,670 --> 03:04:39,030
Yeah, we don't want trauma.

2180
03:04:39,730 --> 03:04:40,310
Exactly.

2181
03:04:40,310 --> 03:04:40,630
Exactly.

2182
03:04:40,970 --> 03:04:46,770
So the match barely moved. That's what we want. People don't want their property disparate by it.

2183
03:04:47,630 --> 03:04:58,830
Now, in one part of this, it talks about, it's headed on that, if I could just get that section.

2184
03:05:03,430 --> 03:05:09,530
Chipping and blasting of rock. And it really doesn't, that section 15 really doesn't deal too much.

2185
03:05:09,530 --> 03:05:17,630
last day, it's more about chipping and hammering. So that heading be changed or far.

2186
03:05:18,070 --> 03:05:23,210
I'd have to take a look at it. If it just deals with chipping, then it's fine to take

2187
03:05:23,210 --> 03:05:27,830
out the word blasting from it. If it just deals with hammering, it starts off by stating,

2188
03:05:27,850 --> 03:05:32,230
if you intend to do it by means other than blasting and the rest of it is all about your

2189
03:05:32,230 --> 03:05:32,590
chipping.

2190
03:05:34,190 --> 03:05:37,070
Is that in reference to the size of a fraction survey?

2191
03:05:38,490 --> 03:05:46,810
Okay. So, what that is, is size of a fraction survey was a tool that I was introduced

2192
03:05:46,810 --> 03:05:52,670
about 20 years ago on 1119 and it comes out of the oil exploration industry.

2193
03:05:52,810 --> 03:05:53,950
It's been around for decades.

2194
03:05:54,870 --> 03:06:00,310
So what they do is they put energy into the ground, either by detonating a very, very small

2195
03:06:00,310 --> 03:06:06,910
last on this job on 19, it was a two-part explosive that was kept in a 35-millimeter film

2196
03:06:06,910 --> 03:06:07,810
canister.

2197
03:06:08,830 --> 03:06:14,790
Earlier, you could do it with a hammer from excavator, and what happens is geophones are

2198
03:06:14,790 --> 03:06:21,470
set up throughout the ground, and the energy goes into the ground, and it bounces back.

2199
03:06:21,650 --> 03:06:29,850
It's kind of like a sonar, and it goes into a computer program, which then tells

2200
03:06:30,630 --> 03:06:34,470
tells them where the rock is, the density of the rock.

2201
03:06:35,870 --> 03:06:38,590
And so it was the first time I ever was exposed to it,

2202
03:06:38,610 --> 03:06:41,630
I asked the job super, I said, you know, how accurate was this thing?

2203
03:06:42,090 --> 03:06:43,790
And he said it was hyper accurate.

2204
03:06:45,010 --> 03:06:50,050
So it's a great tool to utilize and the times that since that job with the

2205
03:06:50,050 --> 03:06:54,970
time Greenberg has asked for it to be done for a person to determine

2206
03:06:54,970 --> 03:06:57,350
if the rock is too hard to hammer.

2207
03:06:57,350 --> 03:07:02,430
They might say, you know, do this test and it's always proved out.

2208
03:07:02,610 --> 03:07:05,530
It's been used several times since that job on 1119.

2209
03:07:06,090 --> 03:07:10,190
So that's why that section starts out like that probably.

2210
03:07:10,610 --> 03:07:13,150
I would just have to refresh myself to read it.

2211
03:07:13,430 --> 03:07:16,670
But I think that that's why it starts out like that.

2212
03:07:16,910 --> 03:07:16,970
All right.

2213
03:07:17,090 --> 03:07:18,830
Now I asked this only because I was the photographer.

2214
03:07:18,970 --> 03:07:20,030
Hasn't done it off the TV.

2215
03:07:23,370 --> 03:07:33,350
And one of the major projects that are being proposed in the town, the nearby houses are actually built on slabs, as opposed to having a foundation.

2216
03:07:34,730 --> 03:07:37,690
The slabs obviously are covered with flooring.

2217
03:07:39,490 --> 03:07:45,030
If you had a foundation, you could go out and do photographs and, you know,

2218
03:07:45,030 --> 03:07:53,050
And, you know, visually see whether or not there's a damage prior to the blast.

2219
03:07:53,710 --> 03:07:59,390
How do you deal with a slab situation, particularly a slab situation may even have radiant

2220
03:07:59,390 --> 03:08:00,750
heating in the slab?

2221
03:08:01,330 --> 03:08:06,190
How would you know whether or not there was a damage to a blast if it was a rate that's covered

2222
03:08:06,190 --> 03:08:07,730
over what's finished blowing away?

2223
03:08:08,210 --> 03:08:15,010
Well, I don't conduct the pre-blast inspections, but a company would go in and look for

2224
03:08:15,010 --> 03:08:19,470
pre-existing conditions such as cracking on the outside or on the inside if it's visible.

2225
03:08:20,730 --> 03:08:24,450
And you would go from there, I mean, I've been on jobs where there has been existing

2226
03:08:24,450 --> 03:08:30,230
cracks prior to and they put up with the vice on the crack to see if that increases during

2227
03:08:30,230 --> 03:08:35,650
the course of the blasting in terms of foundation, right, that wouldn't be a slam.

2228
03:08:36,490 --> 03:08:44,310
Well, but, you know, in terms of the, to crack a foundation, when the U.S. Bureau of

2229
03:08:44,310 --> 03:08:50,430
lines did these testing, it was for the inside of the house a sheet rock and what not.

2230
03:08:51,730 --> 03:08:57,130
So if you crack a foundation or actual port foundation, you know, you're talking about

2231
03:08:57,130 --> 03:09:02,850
significant numbers, you'd have to have a blast far higher than what we would allow.

2232
03:09:03,470 --> 03:09:10,070
So the idea that the foundation could crack and there would be no damage inside the house,

2233
03:09:10,130 --> 03:09:11,870
it's just not going to happen, you know.

2234
03:09:11,870 --> 03:09:19,210
So that's why what the proposal calls for is actually even lowering the standards down to 1.25

2235
03:09:19,210 --> 03:09:20,890
peak park of losses.

2236
03:09:21,270 --> 03:09:25,850
So actually, you know, it just wouldn't happen in real life situation where a foundation

2237
03:09:25,850 --> 03:09:30,050
could crack and there would be no damage in the house.

2238
03:09:30,630 --> 03:09:32,190
Just not going to happen.

2239
03:09:36,380 --> 03:09:38,020
You're in this hearing, perhaps, too.

2240
03:09:38,840 --> 03:09:41,140
I just wanted to answer one question that you had briefly.

2241
03:09:41,140 --> 03:09:48,340
you had indicated or opposed the question on the methodology for deriving the fee to be

2242
03:09:48,340 --> 03:09:52,760
accepted by the applicant and that is codified presently and it's a function of the

2243
03:09:52,760 --> 03:09:57,060
application which spells out the scope of work and then a pre-blast survey ultimately

2244
03:09:57,060 --> 03:10:02,140
the building inspector derives at cost estimate furnishes that to the applicant and that's

2245
03:10:02,140 --> 03:10:06,520
how the fee for the services to be rendered as a taint.

2246
03:10:06,520 --> 03:10:07,780
but what's the basis for that?

2247
03:10:08,160 --> 03:10:09,600
I mean, the building is back there in determines

2248
03:10:09,600 --> 03:10:11,900
of the, how is that determined?

2249
03:10:12,220 --> 03:10:15,860
I mean, I'm sure there's prior history in estimates

2250
03:10:15,860 --> 03:10:20,400
on, on, on, on, on, on, and ultimately all the independent

2251
03:10:20,400 --> 03:10:24,480
consultants, invoices are, you know, it's very transparent.

2252
03:10:24,800 --> 03:10:26,680
That's all sent to the, uh, as well.

2253
03:10:33,330 --> 03:10:34,310
Prize in?

2254
03:10:35,550 --> 03:10:38,310
Mr. Shien, thank you for bringing it up.

2255
03:10:38,310 --> 03:10:42,250
He is talking about my house and those of my

2256
03:10:42,250 --> 03:10:51,910
neighbors who live on Beaver Hill and back up to the multiplex property, my heating pipes are

2257
03:10:51,910 --> 03:10:58,230
in the floor. If you vibrate that rock and you break my heating system,

2258
03:11:00,400 --> 03:11:00,960
there's no way

2259
03:11:00,960 --> 03:11:07,960
you can fix it other than to jackhammer up the whole floor. How do you determine or do I just

2260
03:11:07,960 --> 03:11:15,400
to the last minute and see if the heat no longer circulates and what we I don't know if

2261
03:11:15,400 --> 03:11:23,040
there's blasting and what we could do is one of the things that I do is a building

2262
03:11:23,040 --> 03:11:31,680
inspector sends me out to a project prior to its starting and issues that I see potential issues

2263
03:11:31,680 --> 03:11:36,620
we address in the permitting process so one of the things that could be done to protect

2264
03:11:36,620 --> 03:11:46,280
housing is, we could call for line drilling in front, which means that the drill holes, like

2265
03:11:46,280 --> 03:11:52,980
three rows, staggered patterns, about a foot distance in between. So what'll happen is when

2266
03:11:52,980 --> 03:11:58,340
the energy hits those holes, it gets significantly dissipated. So that would even go further

2267
03:11:58,340 --> 03:12:04,700
to that on their property on the nearest property. That would depend on if they allow it on their

2268
03:12:04,700 --> 03:12:10,440
property. If not, you go to the edge of the property that's going to be excavated.

2269
03:12:11,150 --> 03:12:17,270
I've done them at both, so that dissipates the energy. Significantly.

2270
03:12:23,180 --> 03:12:25,380
So, what's the first meeting in January?

2271
03:12:25,640 --> 03:12:27,340
It's January 8th.

2272
03:12:27,560 --> 03:12:29,340
I moved that week, closed the hearing.

2273
03:12:29,920 --> 03:12:34,620
No, no, I'm sorry. I'm free adjourned hearing for all purposes to January 8th.

2274
03:12:35,460 --> 03:12:35,780
Move there.

2275
03:12:36,120 --> 03:12:36,460
Aye.

2276
03:12:37,240 --> 03:12:39,020
Good. Okay.

2277
03:12:39,340 --> 03:12:39,680
So.