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Are right good evening everyone and welcome to the wednesday may six, 2026 planning board

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meeting. It is 7:06 p.m. And I will call the meeting to order.

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>> deputy commissioner schmidt may conduct the role chairperson pine here mr. Weinberg here. Mr. Belanger here. Ms. Robinson here.

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note for the record that ms. Anderson is not present so ms. Robinson will be a full voting

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member also not present this evening is alternate member patel great.

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>> thank you very much. >> staff distributed the april 15th minutes that everyone have

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a chance to review them. >> yes. >> yes. Were there any questions or comments or edits to the minutes?

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>> no. No. No. All right then I will entertain a motion to approve the april 15th 2020 six minutes as

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distributed so moved moved mr. Pullinger second ms. Robinson all in favor I chair votes I we

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have one piece of correspondence this evening related to case number pb 1506

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shelburne an assisted living facility the applicant is seeking a fourth site plan

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planning board steep permit and wetland watercourse permit extension.

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>> I'm just going to step away from the dais for a second because I'm conflicted about the case very well. Deputy commissioner schmidt can you walk us through the request

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? Yes. So by letter dated for 2126

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from daniel tartaglia on behalf of the site owner alfred h. Crowder as chairperson pine

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indicated they are seeking a two year additional extension of the existing site plan

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planning board steep permit and wetland watercourse permit approvals issued in connection

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with case number 15 dash zero six for a project located at 448 underhill road scarsdale.

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the letter is fairly detailed it was distributed to the board.

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>> I'm happy to answer any questions. >> are there any questions on the request from the board? No. No.

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mr. Weinberg um has this been going on since 2015? And I guess related to that as

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soon as the case went when was the second approval issue? >> okay. So the case is a 2015 case. It was originally approved by the planning board in 2018.

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there were some legal matters that took place over a period of time and that led to a

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fairly significant delay. >> so the current status is the contract that they had was

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terminated with the assisted living developer? >> yes. And and what based on what was that terminated you know, were there conditions in there that

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weren't satisfied within the decision window which in the you know, purchase and sale

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agreement with I don't know if it was a timing matter or something else that led to the

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termination of the contract. >> and so you know, in how many acres that property is just up

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on just over four yeah yeah it's right around four acres. >> so let me ask it is a senior

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citizen facility practical over there that that property you know has slowly closed down

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it's been vacant abandoned for years now. It's an utter eyesore and you

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know my concern is and there's a for sale sign up now right I can't I'm hard pressed to

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believe that you know that a senior citizen facility is a practical use of that property

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given the you know, the size and the fact that, you know, people worked on it obviously

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spent a lot of money on it, walked away from it so I'm concerned about just continuing

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what I think is a futile effort rather than, you know, moving on and trying to find something

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to do with that property that's going to you know, turn it into a you know, a productive, you

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know, real estate property in the town. Right.

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so let me answer that quickly. So I think the owner of the property wants to continue to

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to have these approvals in place in the event you know, a senior assisted living facility

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developer comes along. However, as you noted, the property is on the market, the

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property is zoned single family residential with four 20,000 square foot lots.

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so I would have to double check but yeah it is something around the half acre range so the

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property could be developed with single family homes if someone was interested in doing

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so. So they would need to come back to this board to obtain

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subdivision approval from the planning board because subdivision approval is not in place in connection what was previously approved. So they would have to come back

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and go through the entire planning board process for a single family subdivision which

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very well may be the case and we don't know on the because there's for site for sale signs

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up now we don't know what they're marketing for and they marketing it as a senior citizen project are they marketing for single family? >> I don't I don't know I could

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I have seen a listing for the property being being advertised for a single family home

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development. I've seen that on a traditional you know residential retail

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residential residential housing website. You know that doesn't mean that

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it's not also, you know, simultaneously being listed for for assisted living uses as

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well for commercial uses as well. >> and do you know of any other

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senior citizen project in the town that's on four acres of land?

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well, the four acre minimum is the requirement in the town code so there are there's

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bright few integrity down which is you know, not much more than four acres.

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that was the first one that came in was built and is a successful facility off of kind

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of benedict avenue and old white plains road the the chelsea site on down tree road

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is greater than I think it's 6 or 7 acres this a large piece of undeveloped portion but

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portion of that property at the rear the brightview metropolis which is a different facility

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required more acreage okay then and today we're able to obtain that acreage and subdividing it

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off of the golf course site but they do meet code in that regard.

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they needed variances and did obtain those variance. >> so you know when when the

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contract was terminated I do know you know, it was I believe somewhat recently I mean

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whether it was 2025 or 2026 I'm not certain but it wasn't prior to that.

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>> and do you have any idea I mean in terms of I think there was litigation going on if I

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remember right. I my understanding was the fire department greenville fire

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department which had jurisdiction over that property had, you know, series concerns

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about access for fire engines and medical and ambulances uh, I mean it just seems like it's

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a futile effort to you know, I wish the applicant was here to answer some of these questions

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because I just feel like we're oh, you know, please feel free to step up to the mike.

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>> thank you. I wasn't aware you were in in attendance. I didn't know whether you were going to entertain comments or not.

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hi, my name is dan tartaglia, the attorney for the crowder's in connection with this application and in answer to some of your questions all of which are good questions, the

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contract recently terminated it terminated by its term. >> it just basically ran out of

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time. The the last time these approvals were extended they

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were extended at the request of shelburne and not the crowder's.

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this is the first time that the crowder's are asking to have the application of the these approvals extended. There's there's a possibility that it could get marketed and

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sold to an assisted living operator. My guess is any operator that

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comes along and looks at these specific plans is probably going to want to tinker with it

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a little bit and more or more likely than not will be back here for some amendments.

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>> that's not the that's obviously the highest and best use for the property and the

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crowder's would like to be able to get the return that they can have and carry this property

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for many years. >> there were three pieces of litigation one by the fire, one by the greenville just yeah, yeah the greenville fire district sued on the zoning

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variances and the special permit and the council of greenburg civic associations

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also sued. All the cases were thrown out at the lower level because they

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were not timely brought one of them one up to the appellate division in the appellate

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division affirmed the lower court. So the combination of all of

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this litigation covid and then coming out of covid if you recall what happened to the

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construction material prices went through the roof. I think all of that kind of

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kind of softened the interest of the developer or the the operator here to go forward.

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so the crowder's are now marketing the property. They may find that they can

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only sell it for single family development in which case as mr. Schmidt indicated they will have to come back here for subdivision approval if they find a new operator who wants

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to deviate from the approved plan, they'll be back here for amendments.

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but to let all of this time and all of this money and energy expire without an opportunity

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by the property owner to to remarket this property and sell it would actually be a shame.

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so I don't know that anything has changed from the original approvals so normally when you

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terminate a contract you know it doesn't run like just out to a certain date you may have a

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closing date but you're hard on, you know, having to close by a certain you know, at some

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point you've gotten all your conditions satisfied you your title whatever. I'm just confused what's been going on with this property you know, to say that time ran out

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and why didn't they you know if they if they hadn't if there was litigation that that hadn't

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been resolved to the buyer satisfaction if there were conditions in the contract that weren't satisfied, you know, they would have walked away and gotten their money back a lot

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earlier than this. So something's missing here as to whether this is a viable

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project and you know that prop properties an eyesore it's ripe for vandalism.

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I think there was vandalism years ago on it as it's been closed down was a wonderful

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nursery for mr. Crowder. >> I used to see him running, you know, well into his 80s,

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you know, in that neighborhood. >> but you know, it is in fact in the last two weeks there were school busses parked on that property, you know? >> yeah, I don't know anything

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about the school busses. I did I did when I was when I was engaged by the crowd as I

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did drive by you know, I was unfamiliar with the site I mentioned to them at the time

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and and mr. Tours crowder was here this evening and mentioned to him earlier about the

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condition of the property and he did assure me that it was originally the contract vendor

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was taking care of the property so now the crowd is have taken over again cleaning and

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maintenance of the property and it is going to be taken care of in terms of its appearance.

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>> I mean if the if the contract vendors took care of it, I don't know what they did

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but you know, they must have blinders on and no tools because it's an eyesore if you

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go by there it is an eyesore and it's ripe for vandalism. They put some, you know,

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horrible looking fence up over part of it a few months back and you know, I'd certainly

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like to know that they're doing it and I might be willing to you know, consider a shorter,

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you know, extension period. But dragging this out for two years to me is you know, just

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doesn't make any sense if either you know, there's either there's interest in in this

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kind of use in a senior citizen facility which I personally just doubt or you know or you

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ought to move on and do something that's going to be viable. >> I agree with you. You know the the I think the crowder's I think the crowder's

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who have been in this community a long time have operated a business in this community a

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long time as you indicate have put a lot of time and sweat and energy and money into

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attempting to develop this really should be given their own opportunity to try to

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market it. Is is it viable like that? We'll find out. We don't we don't really know I don't know whether the economics for an 80 unit type

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facility are still viable but you know I'm if they don't find a viable use and they end up

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coming back for a different type of development or a residential development, I don't really see the harm or the foul to extending it for another two years.

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it's really not a we're not asking for something discretionary here. We're just asking we're seeing nothing has really changed. Give us an opportunity to see

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what we can do and if we can find somebody else interested and if we can't we'll have to

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look to market it and some other means. >> and if I can just interject, I think the opportunity to you know for for for the board you know, the opportunity to to

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weigh the pros and cons of the specifics of the project you know that that was that that

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that opportunity was some time ago with the previous board and ultimately they came to the

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decision they did you know the project was approved. You know we now have an

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extension request in front of us. You know, deputy commissioner

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schmidt can you just remind me sort of the parameters in which we look at when considering

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whether or not an extension is granted? I know typically you know, we

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ask if the applicant has been in communication with the town ,if the applicant has been earnest in in trying to move the project along I guess could you could you speak to you know

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those those those facts and then also you know if there's anything that we really have

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the ability to consider beyond that when considering an extension. >> sure so yes I mean the crowder's have been in touch with the town staff regarding

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the property in the project itself following termination of the contract we were contacted

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to actually find out if if the owners could seek the extension that is sought this evening and

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it was reviewed by the town's legal department deemed acceptable and then we received

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this letter just a couple of few weeks ago. So they certainly have been in

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touch with the town. One of the things that can be considered in connection with the extension is something came up regarding property maintenance and it sounds like

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that's fallen back on to the owners. You know this board could ask and I think we've heard already that the crowder's are going to be you know maintaining their

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property and perhaps they can do a better job than the prior contract then these beyond that

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the board could consider a lesser time for the extension perhaps one year.

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but I think whether you whether the board considers a one year or two year extension as

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requested by the owners maybe it would make sense for there to be quarterly updates

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provided to town staff on you know, the marketing that they've done and any interest

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that they've got you know not necessarily specifics but just to continue the lines of

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communication. So you know we're in the know and we're aware that you know

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you're actively with the crowder's are actively marketing and attempting to you

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will be happy to do that would we do that through your department by corresponding yes

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or that's correct. >> okay. And and the steps being taken to maintain the property, we will take care of that for sure and and I imagine that would

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only help you in trying to market the property to make it as as appealing as possible

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can't hurt again. >> sure. >> can you just can I just go

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back? Yes, sir. The question I asked about why the contract terminated where there conditions in there that weren't satisfied give me to

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much financing and considering just not to be so I just spoke with my client and mr. Mark

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hallowell who was involved with the original approvals. Apparently this was a joint

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venture between shelburne and information. >> one was more the developer,

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the other one was more the financial partner and I think formation just basically got tired of waiting with the project to move forward and lost interest in it over the

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course of years and eventually decided not to go forward with it and the contract was finally

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terminated. >> one of the lawyers in my office who I work with I

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believe was over the summer sent a termination letter confirming the termination and

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I did show the planning department that there was clear there's there's a clear

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assignment of all of the plans approvals and intellectual property that have been that have been paid for and approved are now the ownership of the crowder's.

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so that was one of the things we needed to clear with your legal department with your client consider a shorter extension then we'll be moving probably we just be back again.

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>> that's I mean if you're going to if you're going to sell it for a you know, for a

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senior citizen facility, you know, I don't know that it takes two years to go find a

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buyer inside something it so to me it would be an indication that it's just not going to

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happen. >> move on. Well, they may be moving on

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anyway. They're they're not going to just sit there. I mean I you know, extension doesn't preclude, you know, the ownership or microphone and

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thank you the extension doesn't preclude another entity where the owners themselves from

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coming in with an application for single family subdivision right no, I understand.

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>> as I said, this is the highest and best use will we find somebody for this? >> we're not sure. Will they have a fallback position?

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they're going to have to I mean the property's just sitting there fallow so they're going to need to do something with it and have single family residential is the only way

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they can go. Then at some point they'll do that.

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>> all right. Are there any other questions on the extension?

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>> okay. All right then I will entertain a motion to approve a fourth

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extension on the site plan planning board steep permit and wetland watercourse permit

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approvals for a two year term valid through may 17th, 2028. >> and we conditioned and

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conditioned on the quarterly meetings with our quarterly updates to staff on the

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progress of marketing and marketing of the property both for use as a single family home

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and the approved and senior living and also you know maintaining you know up keeping

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the property you know within the next what's reasonable 90 days you know I'm sure it's

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spring I mean everybody's doing their spring cleaning now that's probably a good time 90 days so I'll entertain a motion for for for that with those conditions so some second moved

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ms. Robinson seconded mr. Bellinger all in favor I I'm going to abstain chair votes I

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and mr. Weinberg abstains thank you. >> all right thank you everyone

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have a good evening. >> thank you. All right.

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next up we have one item of old business case number 2505 205207 sawmill river road llc

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the applicant is seeking a site plan and landscape buffer waivers.

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>> a draft decision was distributed to the board. >> did everyone have a chance

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to review the draft decision? Yes. Yes. >> all right. Deputy commissioner schmidt, can you walk us through the

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site specific conditions? >> yes. And just a quick update. So following the board's public hearing which was conducted on april 15th, the written record

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was kept open through april 24th. No additional comments were

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received. There are three actions and three votes that the board will

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consider this evening. One is to classify the project as a type two action under c.a.

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second is to consider voting on the site plan application and third is to consider voting on

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the planning board waivers requests related to landscape buffers to the northeast, south

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and west property lines in terms of site specific requirements call your

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attention condition 4.1 on page four which indicates that the applicant shall repair the

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sidewalk across the property's frontage and obtain all necessary permits from the new york state department of transportation to affect such repair.

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no final certificate of occupancy shall be issued by the town building inspector

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until the sidewalk repair work is completed and then we have on page five condition four

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point to the applicant shall install landscape planters on the property in accordance with the plans listed in section one of this approval. I do believe that mr. Robinson

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may have a comment related to that condition. >> I, I just want to make sure

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that the applicant is aware that they have to maintain the plants in the plants or within

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the plants are for the duration. It's not something that's going

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to that we're just going to let get away from us. >> we love the beautification.

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we just need it to stay the same. >> mr. Zapata right.

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so my suggestion to the board based on that would be to update condition 4.2 to

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indicate that the applicant shall install and appropriately maintain the landscape planters on the property to the satisfaction of the town forestry officer and in

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accordance with the plans listed in section one of this approval. So it would just be in there as language. So it's very clear both to the

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town and town staff as well as you and your client that you know if depending on the types

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of plants you know, if they were to not survive they need to be replaced or if you know

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they were annuals they'd need to be, you know, installed every year because they only oh

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yes, yes, we are aware about it and basically as much as possible depend of this

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easement on the pain of the the plant that we have to remember that we are going we are proposing planters. Yes. And the idea is to try to get

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the evergreens to keep it at least in green and then in soil for the spring or summer change

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here it'll be because of the season but then we have to worry about great rains.

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>> thank you. Are there any other questions or comments on the draft

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decision? All right then as was stated we have three votes to consider in

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front of us classifying the action as a type two action or secre approving the site plan

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decision and approving the landscape buffer waivers draft decision.

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so first I will entertain a motion to classify the action as a type two action under

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secre so move move mr. Bellinger second second. >> ms. Robinson all in favor I

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I chair votes side next up I will entertain a motion to approve the draft decision for

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the site plan application as amended with ms. Robinson's edits so moved move mr.

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bellinger second second ms. Robinson all in favor I chair votes I and lastly I will

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entertain a motion to approve the draft decision for the landscape buffers waiver

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request also as amended so moved moved ms. Robinson second seconded mr. Bellinger all in

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favor I chair votes I. All right thank you very much have a good evening all right

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so now I will call a public hearing session of the planning board to order it is seven 30 3

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p.m.. Deputy commissioner schmidt may you conduct the role.

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>> sure. Chairperson pine here. Mr. Weinberg here. Mr. Bellinger here. Ms. Robinson here. >> note for the record that

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ms.. Anderson and mr. Patel are not present this evening and ms.

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robinson will be a full voting member in place of ms. Anderson thank you.

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>> so we have one public hearing here this evening. Case number pb 2513 cone at

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zero peter bond road in irvington irvington the applicant is seeking a planning

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board steep permit, a wetland watercourse permit and a tree removal permit.

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>> just to confirm for the record town planner britton this hearing was noticed in

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accordance with the code in the town's newspaper of record. >> I can confirm that.

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great. >> thank you. Representing the applicant.

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good evening. >> good evening, chair members of the board. My name is andy chung ac engineering. >> so anyone g anybody who's

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basically zero peter road is a 4.72 acre undeveloped lot. It is at the end of the cul de

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sac of blueberry hill road there is an existing shared driveway which serves two

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existing homes along that driveway and the I'm here with the property owner guy cohen

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who's also the architect of the property and we're we're proposing on building a single

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family dwelling on that lot I think there is a lot of due diligence that was done.

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>> so just to go over a couple of the things we went through shpo state historic

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preservation went through a lengthy stormwater design stormwater plan in a swap that

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was approved by the engineering department. >> we have utilities that are connecting to the end of blueberry hill road. There's existing gas water,

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sewer and electric lots like I mentioned electric that will be connecting to the existing

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house. There is a couple of zoning variances that we went to the

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zoning board last month and we were we got approval from the zoning board of appeals one

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requiring the street frontage and then the and the other one requiring the whole island type

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and whoever that might be. Can you turn down the volume? Thank you.

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>> thank you. Sorry. 25 foot requires street frontage and the new york consolidated town law to 80 a we got approval for the

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variances for that we went through the conservation advisory council. We got approvals for the the landscaping on the property to offset the trees that were

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going to be removed for the construction of the house and the driveway.

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so there is wetland on the property completed. >> the jurisdictional

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determination met with dc and we were able to procure a dc permit from dc to allow for a

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construction within 100 foot wetland buffer. >> so I think that pretty much takes care of everything that we have to take care of. >> can you speak a little bit

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to the steep disturbances and do you have accurate tree removal and landscaping figures

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and if you have the ability to walk through the plans both for the benefit of the board even

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though they saw them in the work session but for the benefit of the public as well? Sure. Including the stormwater management system, its

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maintenance requirements. Sure. And the landscaping you spoke of briefly. >> thank you. Sure.

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>> so this plan is the steep plan. >> there's actually only a

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small portion of slopes that exceed a 25% to 35% that we're doing.

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the majority of the work is really done in the green area that you see which is not a

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steep but because there are this this property is kind of like a bowl.

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so there are steep slopes kind of going up the bowl on the north on the east side and also

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on on the west side the house actually sits. You can see the the foot the

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the outline of the house on this plan. You know, again, the majority

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of the construction is located within the flat part of the upper plateau of the property.

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so there's there's there's a small portion. Can you see my cursor?

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>> yeah. If you see my cursor there's a small portion here where there's some construction going on. And then here's the driveway

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that comes down and then right here at the entrance there's a little bit of steep here.

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but again, the majority of the construction is is kind of limited to where the houses up

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. >> and just to clarify is the green class classified as 0 to

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15? Correct? Yes. Thank you. >> all right. So that's the steep plan as we

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move into the stormwater plan. I think that's the next one is the so that's the grading plan.

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so here's the stormwater plan. >> so for the stormwater plan how we designed this is pretty

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much all of the impervious surfaces of the roof and in the driveway will be collected.

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the stormwater will be collected via catch basins on the on the on on the on the

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property so roof drains would be draining into catch basins showing little circles on the

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plan and from the catch basins they would flow into one of three bio retention basins and

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the bar retention basin is basically a basin filled with a bar retention soil mix

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typically mixture of concrete sand and topsoil to allow for attenuation of volume of

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stormwater as well as water quality and the outlets on the bottom of the bar retention

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basin which will be landscaped as well as water enters the bar retention basin there is a

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particular holding time for that water to sit in that basin until it percolates through that soil mixture and underneath that soil mixture there is a perforated pipe

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which takes the flow out back into the wetland area. None of the work is done inside

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the wetland. All the work is done outside of the wetland as per these

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requirements the flows from the driveway will be similarly will flow into a a vegetated channel

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along the side of the driveway located here and that flow goes into a bio retention basin as

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well similar to the other ones. So as you can see here there's one bar retention basin right

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here with an overflow pipe out here is the second bar retention basin here with an

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overflow pipe out and a third bar retention basin here with an overflow out.

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so and again, all of these bio retention basins the storm water design was based on a new

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york state storm water design manual swap was prepared it was was reviewed by the town

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engineering department and was and was approved. >> just stay on this plan

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before you move on. A couple of questions in terms of maintenance of the bio

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retention basins, what's the typical old you know, type of maintenance and rough schedule

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of maintenance of that type of ,you know, facility for managing storm water?

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>> yeah. >> so these bio retention basins are vegetated. There's going to be plants so like wetland type plants that are going to be growing and

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they're really the the the only maintenance that will have to be done is you know, make sure

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the the plants are are still thriving. They are designed to absorb

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water as well. So having the vegetation and the plants, you know, thriving

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in these bio retention basins is is is optimal. The the soil mixture is it

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doesn't happen quickly but over time the the the soil mixture will eventually get clogged

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with debris in which case that soil mixture would just be removed replaced with a new bar

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retention mixture of concrete sand and topsoil and then the vegetation gets gets replaced

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and they ask a question here sure. In the application the p e

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roman numeral three it states overflow of the bio retention basin will be directed to the

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wetland on the property. >> could you clarify that for me please?

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>> so there's so there's two outlets to the bar retention basin there there's under

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drainpipe which is at the very bottom of the bar retention basin which takes the flow as storm water percolates through the soil mixture eventually gets into the perforated pipe

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and then it drains out into the wetland. There's also an emergency overflow right if we get a 200 year storm that comes we don't want the basin to get full and

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then spill outside. There is an overflow. We're just about just six

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inches below the top elevation of the basin which allows water to flow out of the weir and

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then into the wetland. Thank you. And just a follow up to that.

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I was going to ask this before currently the site at least partially drains down toward

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the wetland area. Correct. So is the intent to mimic kind of the existing condition in the proposed condition? >> correct.

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so in the post development condition calculations were done to determine what the post

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development flows were in comparison with the predevelopment flows and with

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the addition of the three bar retention basins were able to get or post development flows

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to be less than our predevelopment flows just because the basins have the ability to retain and slow down right? So imagine a drop of water from

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high point going down to the wetland if there was nothing there it would take say five

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minutes to get there with the addition of the bar retention basins that drop of water with

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the bar retention basin slow down that that you know allow it to store as it goes into the

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drain pipe that five minutes ends up being 20 minutes, right?

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so there's same volume of water but longer duration of time for that water to get to that same

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spot. Thank you to evening board members.

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my name is guy cone of the architects as well as the owner of the house.

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I also did the landscaping plan. I just want to add as far as the maintenance of the bio retention basins we're going to weed them.

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so we've done the planting plan with extensive plants that are based on different levels

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within the bio retention basins . So there's wet plants, there's

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medium and there's dried plants and so we're going to have to get in there and weed them on occasion to make sure that they thrive and continue to live properly.

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don't get so overwhelmed by weeds or other plants invasive plants if they happen to you

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know, seed in their. So I just wanted to add that to the to the maintenance question

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. I appreciate that. One of the follow up quick follow up that I have is is one way to know that there may be clogged areas within the bio

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retention basins. Would that be evident by like ponding of water versus, you

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know, slow infiltration? >> so typically the bio retention basin will de water

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the entire area of the basin within within a day. So if we're if if you're

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getting ponding water for more than a day, you we know it's it's about time to replace the

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media okay thank you and that's that's that's the typical in the appendix d of the new york

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state stormwater design manual and actually in the in the appendix of my swept through

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there is a maintenance schedule. >> okay that's in there thank you. So I have a question. Yes the d c previously issued a

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jurisdictional determination and since then indicating that they had jurisdiction once you

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start you know developing the property in the interim there was a court case appealing the

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changes to the regulations. >> so it's kind of in limbo at the moment.

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we haven't seen what the issues going to do yet. Yes. However, I did discuss how they're treating applications currently with region three

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which is applicable to here and they are not applying the urban area which was the grounds for

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obtaining a jurisdictional determination. So I'm just curious to see if you've received any correspondence or anything regarding application of this

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permit. >> we have not for this particular property but I do

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know what you're talking about because I tried to file another jurisdictional determination on

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another property and they wouldn't let me that said we we have a dc permit that was

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mailed to us that was that's valid for five years. >> five years.

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yeah. Yeah. So regardless of what happens to the jurisdictional determination that's already been done we have an official

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permit from d.c.. Thank you. >> I think we go first.

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yeah, because I think this will be my last one, sir. >> thank you.

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there's really two but you do so the question about essentially the shared driveway

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coming in off the cul de sac of blueberry hill road are there any improvements proposed along

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that segment? Yeah. And if so, can you walk us through those? Yes. Let me pull up the utility plan

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and then I'll just state it while you're getting to the plan.

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one of the board in the public to be aware of we don't have to go through species by species

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but I've been out at the site we've walked it. I do believe while there are

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native species there are a number of invasive species that are going to be removed in

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connection with the property and then touching on your replacement plantings in terms

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of tree species, if you could just touch on that you're not going to be planting in any new

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invasive species. >> it's going to be well I'll I'll I'll let that guy discuss

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the the plantings he's the he's the landscaping expert here but there's there's there's 100

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trees to be removed. We have submitted an arborist report that that documents

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every tree the condition of the tree the size of the tree that's to be removed.

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why it has to be removed the majority of the reason is because it's in the area where

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we're going to be building the house and the driveway in the bar retention basins.

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but I like I discussed with the plantings that we're proposing on here but on the on this

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utility plan so the shared driveway is going to be the existing asphalt will have to

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get removed and we're going to trenched for the electric the gas, the water in the sewer.

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and what we're planning on doing is basically replacing and enhancing the existing

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shared driveway right now the existing shared driveways not in great condition portions of

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the asphalt or cracking you know parts of it are are damaged.

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so after we're done trenching and installing our utilities we're going to replace it with you know, with a proper asphalt driveway. In addition to that we're going

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to create a little channel on the right side to accommodate flows from neighbors driveways

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that are just discharging out. Right because there's everything there's there uphill

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there uphill of this shared driveway so when it rains all the water just kind of comes on

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to this your driveway and comes down the hill. So we've taken into account you

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know, the neighbors water that comes off the driveway at the bottom of the hill where the

392
00:44:37,700 --> 00:44:37,700
shared driveway is the water currently pitches towards the neighbor to the east and then

393
00:44:44,907 --> 00:44:44,907
there's that water I think constantly floods their driveway and floods the garage

394
00:44:51,713 --> 00:44:51,713
. So we're doing some we're doing some regrading in that area to

395
00:44:55,884 --> 00:44:55,884
allow for that water to come onto our property stored in the catch basin goes into the bar

396
00:44:59,989 --> 00:44:59,989
retention basin and then back out into the wetland and that property to the east is that

397
00:45:04,126 --> 00:45:07,228
the eight blueberry hill road? Yes. Okay. So that's the property where we received some correspondence so it sounds like there's going to

398
00:45:13,569 --> 00:45:15,171
be some improvements in that regard, correct? >> okay. Correct. You know like I talk about the plantings that we're proposing

399
00:45:18,407 --> 00:45:18,407
to you have the planting but you know, no. And while you're pulling that

400
00:45:31,954 --> 00:45:31,954
up, you know, 100 trees is, you know, a fair amount of trees to be removed in connection with

401
00:45:38,895 --> 00:45:38,895
that one single family home. But if I recall correctly, this site is, you know,

402
00:45:43,966 --> 00:45:43,966
predominantly wooded and many of the trees on the property are going to be preserved.

403
00:45:50,573 --> 00:45:50,573
if you could just oh, I think this depicts that fairly well. Thank you.

404
00:45:55,678 --> 00:45:55,678
maybe we could go to the tree removal plan first. A lot of the way to go back to

405
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:04,720
this so here is show the the list so this is the tree the tree removal plan on my side of

406
00:46:26,375 --> 00:46:30,012
plans. This table is from the arborist report of all the trees that are to be removed. >> oops. And as you can see there's this

407
00:46:40,356 --> 00:46:40,356
there's this this lot is is is you know, fully wooded, completely vegetated.

408
00:46:45,028 --> 00:46:45,028
so you can see where the majority of the trees are are to be removed are really you

409
00:46:52,702 --> 00:46:52,702
know, in the areas of the house the areas of the bar retention basins, the driveway and pretty

410
00:46:56,906 --> 00:46:56,906
much all the other trees that are surrounding that property is going to going to remain as

411
00:47:03,846 --> 00:47:03,846
as is. We're not we're not proposing or removing any trees that are

412
00:47:07,883 --> 00:47:07,883
not necessary to be removed. Thank you. I also just want to add that a

413
00:47:14,591 --> 00:47:14,591
lot of those trees are in really bad shape, critical in some cases where if we can move

414
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:21,030
this um if you look at the tree list you can see that a good number of them are critical in

415
00:47:32,542 --> 00:47:32,542
poor condition because we've got you know, all kinds of invasive well the deer have

416
00:47:40,449 --> 00:47:40,449
basically eaten everything that grows new. There is a lot of barberry bush

417
00:47:47,489 --> 00:47:47,489
around there. >> we're going to remove the barberry bush.

418
00:47:51,594 --> 00:47:51,594
the trees have fallen victim of disease and you know, vines there have been a lot of what

419
00:48:01,804 --> 00:48:01,804
are they called blanking out the what's the name of the strangler vine.

420
00:48:10,513 --> 00:48:10,513
>> oh, porcelain baby buried there's some I'm blanking out grape vines there.

421
00:48:15,284 --> 00:48:15,284
I mean there's there well the vines have taken over a lot of the trees and so they're

422
00:48:20,724 --> 00:48:20,724
they've grown up and sort of decapitated a lot of the trees .

423
00:48:25,094 --> 00:48:25,094
and so part of the idea of the planting plan is to replace a lot of these trees with healthy

424
00:48:32,201 --> 00:48:32,201
new trees of species that won't be prone to disease and other various you know, destructive

425
00:48:40,043 --> 00:48:40,043
types of effects. >> so as you can see the uh the planting plan here um, we're

426
00:48:50,886 --> 00:48:50,886
going to be planting uh see if we can do a go down to the next plan so these are the planting

427
00:49:02,465 --> 00:49:02,465
plans that we presented to the conservation advisory council. You can see that we have quite

428
00:49:09,639 --> 00:49:09,639
an extensive list in here which includes the bio retention planting mix as well as you

429
00:49:20,284 --> 00:49:20,284
know where and when. So this this it's a fairly dense planting all based on

430
00:49:28,458 --> 00:49:28,458
native plants and it's you can see the on the c of that this planting plan right there

431
00:49:36,566 --> 00:49:36,566
that's a typical bio retention planting plan and then that is covered by the chart up here

432
00:49:46,108 --> 00:49:46,108
and we did the number of plants that the species whether or not they are thrive, whether or not

433
00:49:54,251 --> 00:49:54,251
we're going to lose power and oh okay, you know based on their position within the

434
00:50:05,596 --> 00:50:05,596
actual bio retention basin wet medium dry so that's been thought through fairly

435
00:50:12,703 --> 00:50:12,703
extensively around the house itself there's going to be a lawn area planted grass but

436
00:50:20,711 --> 00:50:20,711
then on the perimeter is going to be a native meadow that's going to be planted along there

437
00:50:25,448 --> 00:50:25,448
leading up to the house along the driveway will also be native shrubs plants, border

438
00:50:32,556 --> 00:50:32,556
plants, ground covers. So for the most part I'd say 95% of the plants are native.

439
00:50:41,464 --> 00:50:41,464
there are few non-natives but most of those are just sort of I guess meant to be used as

440
00:50:51,274 --> 00:50:51,274
kind of a a decorative feature type of plant ornamental plant. Okay.

441
00:51:02,685 --> 00:51:02,685
there you can see as a section of the bio retention planting basin, can we go to the actual

442
00:51:09,793 --> 00:51:13,463
planting plan list? So there there we have the tree. Um the eye tree report with the trees were planning on replacing those at the tree

443
00:51:21,171 --> 00:51:21,171
removal. This is also repeated there again there was another those

444
00:51:25,608 --> 00:51:25,608
are the plans that I brought here. It gives you sort of a three

445
00:51:30,180 --> 00:51:30,180
dimensional idea of what the overall site's going to look like once it's finished and

446
00:51:34,551 --> 00:51:34,551
planted. So we're going to retain most of the trees around there, the

447
00:51:40,123 --> 00:51:43,660
forest around there. It's going to remain a predominantly wooded site except for the one area around the house. We're not really touching

448
00:51:47,063 --> 00:51:47,063
anything in the wetlands area although we have added some plants along the perimeter as

449
00:51:54,504 --> 00:51:54,504
per the conservation advisory council recommendations. There's another view if we go

450
00:52:04,882 --> 00:52:04,882
back a step there I know the one before that so there's the actual planting plan key where

451
00:52:12,923 --> 00:52:12,923
you can see all the plants that we're adding to the site. It's combination of azaleas,

452
00:52:17,261 --> 00:52:17,261
rhododendrons, some dogwoods, things like river birch the I won't go into the meadow

453
00:52:28,438 --> 00:52:28,438
because the meadows fairly extensive but there's also a matrix for the meadow planting

454
00:52:33,310 --> 00:52:33,310
if we have that one which will be I think further on there so there's some the native meadow

455
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:43,320
planting mix that's also based on a seasonal planting. So the idea was to create

456
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:49,960
seasonal interest and color from spring all the way through fall and that you can see the

457
00:52:58,802 --> 00:52:58,802
typical sort of meadow planting section which will be repeated that's a 12 by 40 foot section

458
00:53:09,646 --> 00:53:09,646
that will be repeated but varied along the entire it's very interesting I had a lot of

459
00:53:16,987 --> 00:53:20,891
fun with this. I used I to create the actual matrix. In other words I, I actually have been doing a lot of research and I do a lot of

460
00:53:25,796 --> 00:53:25,796
planting on my own property so I had the plants and I knew what species I wanted but it

461
00:53:32,636 --> 00:53:32,636
was really hard to create a matrix that would repeat that would be different and would

462
00:53:40,344 --> 00:53:40,344
sort of represent and sort of create a native meadow type of mix.

463
00:53:47,417 --> 00:53:47,417
so if you did it in a very regular way where you just did a grid and you had the same

464
00:53:55,158 --> 00:53:58,862
plants in the same grid, you would always kind of look the same. It would looked a little boring. So based on I created a list of

465
00:54:03,133 --> 00:54:03,133
plants the types of plants that I wanted and then I said based on this mix maybe 60%

466
00:54:09,673 --> 00:54:09,673
structural grasses and 15% of certain flowering plants and another 15% of these plants I

467
00:54:21,152 --> 00:54:21,152
created this mix and then within each one of these sections it varies.

468
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:28,960
so I have 16 sections which when you link them together in piecing together creates a

469
00:54:35,633 --> 00:54:35,633
natural flow throughout the entire meadow that doesn't make it look like it repeats.

470
00:54:40,805 --> 00:54:40,805
it's just it looks like it's been influenced by wind plants have been blown in certain

471
00:54:47,678 --> 00:54:47,678
ways. There's been a kind of natural meadow pollinator meadow effect

472
00:54:54,318 --> 00:54:54,318
so that there are certain areas that might be more have more interest as far as color than

473
00:54:59,824 --> 00:54:59,824
others. So it was really kind of developed to be a very, very

474
00:55:03,894 --> 00:55:03,894
natural and native type of design. >> so we've got a lot of plants

475
00:55:11,202 --> 00:55:11,202
we've got over 8000 plants I think total that we're planting in this.

476
00:55:18,809 --> 00:55:18,809
some will be actual plugs, others will be you know, certain diameter of of the the

477
00:55:30,021 --> 00:55:30,021
trunk and I think the this landscaping plan is almost as important as the actual

478
00:55:37,928 --> 00:55:37,928
architecture of the house itself to me at least. So it's going to be quite a

479
00:55:42,334 --> 00:55:42,334
project. It certainly is and I promise I only asked these final two so

480
00:55:48,473 --> 00:55:48,473
and then I because I want the board and anyone from the public um this is going to be

481
00:55:54,512 --> 00:55:56,981
your residence. >> it is, yes. I wanted that to be on the record definitely and to I think the vine that was escaping me as well is

482
00:56:02,687 --> 00:56:06,558
bittersweet. >> bittersweet. That's it exactly. The bittersweet vines are like anaconda on that property and they're choking out half of the

483
00:56:14,232 --> 00:56:14,232
trees. >> thank you, senior moment miss robinson, you have some

484
00:56:18,936 --> 00:56:22,307
questions? >> yes. The buyer attention systems that you have on the plans currently have those areas been evaluated and do we know that

485
00:56:31,049 --> 00:56:31,049
that's exactly where they are going to go? >> well, maybe I'll let andy

486
00:56:35,587 --> 00:56:35,587
answer that. We did do test pits to determine if they would work

487
00:56:44,362 --> 00:56:44,362
geo tactically in those areas and they do. >> all right.

488
00:56:52,537 --> 00:56:55,473
any other questions, miss robinson? I do. >> so it is clear that you have thought this out with consideration of everyone

489
00:57:07,318 --> 00:57:07,318
especially with the bio systems especially with making sure that water isn't going on to

490
00:57:14,893 --> 00:57:14,893
the neighbor's property and with it being your forever home you will take good care of the

491
00:57:22,534 --> 00:57:22,534
bio retention systems. >> so my concern ultimately is how well the next person will

492
00:57:33,945 --> 00:57:37,816
take care of this. Our retention system. So I just want to voice that for the record correct me if I'm wrong but there's maintenance plan associated

493
00:57:44,823 --> 00:57:44,823
with the installation. Yes. >> on the on the in the

494
00:57:50,161 --> 00:57:51,963
appendix of the swap there is a maintenance plan. Yeah. My concern is the next owner how well they will maintain the bio retention system so it's a

495
00:58:00,371 --> 00:58:04,242
condition that would run with the land and failure to maintain it could be called upon and yes a notice sent and an action taken. >> yes please.

496
00:58:15,153 --> 00:58:16,722
>> any other questions, mr. Robinson? That's it. All right. I did have a few questions before I pass it off to the

497
00:58:22,427 --> 00:58:22,427
rest of the board and then this is a public hearing so I do want to hear from the public.

498
00:58:26,531 --> 00:58:26,531
>> we received one letter of comment that was distributed to the board and so I just for the

499
00:58:33,705 --> 00:58:37,008
record just wanted to paraphrase and or reframe the questions and then get the responses on the record. I think the first one will actually be for you deputy

500
00:58:41,380 --> 00:58:41,380
commissioner schmidt I just wanted to confirm that the town engineer who is a third party

501
00:58:48,086 --> 00:58:48,086
from the applicant reviewed the stormwater management plan prior to this hearing.

502
00:58:55,694 --> 00:58:55,694
>> yes, that's correct. Right. I just wanted to confirm that

503
00:59:02,666 --> 00:59:02,666
the town engineer or other town staff will conduct inspections at key milestones during

504
00:59:08,039 --> 00:59:08,039
construction including grading basin basin installation final stabilization and certify that

505
00:59:14,747 --> 00:59:14,747
the work has been complete in accordance with the plans and with the conditions that if we

506
00:59:21,887 --> 00:59:23,888
approve this application would be included with the approval. >> yes. So if this project's approved by the planning board before the applicant can obtain a

507
00:59:30,462 --> 00:59:34,133
building permit from the building department they need to obtain a stormwater management control permit from the town engineer and it sounds like they've already prepared

508
00:59:41,173 --> 00:59:41,173
they mentioned they've prepared a stormwater pollution prevention plan and they have

509
00:59:45,910 --> 00:59:49,414
drawings that would go with that but ultimately they need the stormwater management control permit from issued by the and signed off on by the town engineer when the town

510
00:59:53,886 --> 00:59:53,886
engineer issues the stormwater management control permit there is a schedule of mandated

511
01:00:00,392 --> 01:00:00,392
inspections that include it's known or referred to as the yellow sheet which is your

512
01:00:05,497 --> 01:00:05,497
schedule of inspections and they can their office can come out at any time to inspect but

513
01:00:13,104 --> 01:00:13,104
at a minimum at milestone points within the project during construction and then

514
01:00:20,812 --> 01:00:20,812
post construction day and even prior to construction for instance to verify that the

515
01:00:25,618 --> 01:00:25,618
silt fence and any other protection measures on the site are installed properly and

516
01:00:29,621 --> 01:00:29,621
according to plan they will be out on site. So I just wanted that to be on

517
01:00:33,792 --> 01:00:33,792
the record. >> thank you and I thank you. And lastly, you know if if a

518
01:00:40,431 --> 01:00:40,431
resident and this could be a general question for for any application you know if a

519
01:00:46,938 --> 01:00:46,938
resident had a question or a comment or wanted to report a concern regarding a development

520
01:00:53,979 --> 01:00:53,979
project, who would be the best point of contact within the town for a neighbor to reach

521
01:01:00,486 --> 01:01:00,486
out? >> so typically the best point of contact during construction

522
01:01:04,923 --> 01:01:04,923
is our building inspectors office. If the complaint doesn't

523
01:01:09,361 --> 01:01:09,361
involve the building inspectors office specifically they will route that comment question or

524
01:01:17,136 --> 01:01:17,136
concern to the appropriate office which may be the bureau of engineering or if it was

525
01:01:21,439 --> 01:01:21,439
tree related to the forestry officer or if it was a legal question down to our legal

526
01:01:28,380 --> 01:01:28,380
department. But certainly our building inspectors office would be the

527
01:01:32,384 --> 01:01:32,384
best point of contact and not not that this is a pop quiz but the the email for the building

528
01:01:36,622 --> 01:01:40,392
department is building at greenberg ny.gov is that correct? Correct. Great. So if a neighbor ever had a

529
01:01:44,530 --> 01:01:44,530
comment or concern they could email building at greenberg ny.gov and get a timely

530
01:01:50,702 --> 01:01:50,702
response and if the building department is not the appropriate recipient as deputy

531
01:01:57,810 --> 01:01:57,810
commissioner schmidt mentioned, that question would be routed to the appropriate office and

532
01:02:01,981 --> 01:02:01,981
their phone number would be on the town website as well. Great.

533
01:02:06,218 --> 01:02:09,789
>> thank you. Are there any questions from any burning questions from the board before we go to the public and then we'll have a second crack at it after after

534
01:02:17,163 --> 01:02:20,299
we hear from the public. >> I have no burning question do have any questions? >> no, I just I appreciated your enthusiasm on the landscaping as somebody who's a

535
01:02:28,574 --> 01:02:28,574
member of the bronx botanic gardens in prospect park botanical gardens and who

536
01:02:32,945 --> 01:02:32,945
appreciates museums with the landscaping you're love to shown in your presentation.

537
01:02:44,589 --> 01:02:44,589
well, I'm also a member of the garden conservancy. Yeah.

538
01:02:51,430 --> 01:02:51,430
mr. Weinberg the access to the property and how it's a shared driveway right.

539
01:03:00,506 --> 01:03:00,506
was that what was shown to the fire department? >> there was a comment from the

540
01:03:06,612 --> 01:03:06,612
engineering department so we had made provisions there. >> there was a comment about

541
01:03:11,284 --> 01:03:11,284
fire truck access. So we we we modified our driveway design to include a

542
01:03:17,924 --> 01:03:17,924
little turnaround area and the engineering department had no other comments from the fire

543
01:03:22,928 --> 01:03:22,928
department. Okay. Uh, the access agreement that

544
01:03:29,802 --> 01:03:29,802
you included. Okay. So I think the applicant signed

545
01:03:36,976 --> 01:03:40,747
it has everyone else there's two there's two other parts. >> there's a little confused about mr. Monk's and what what his property has to do with the shared driveway.

546
01:03:45,917 --> 01:03:45,917
you know, I thought it was just one other house. >> both parties all parties

547
01:03:50,323 --> 01:03:50,323
signed the agreement mr. Monk's driveways at the bottom he he purchased the his property

548
01:04:00,366 --> 01:04:00,366
while we were in process of getting the access agreement the easement and did sign it

549
01:04:04,771 --> 01:04:04,771
before he purchased the property. Right, right.

550
01:04:09,375 --> 01:04:13,179
yeah. And so that's also a maintenance agreement we maintain it for snow and for you know overall maintenance of the exist.

551
01:04:24,324 --> 01:04:24,324
we're going to as andy said, we're going to after we trench it and build the utilities

552
01:04:28,994 --> 01:04:28,994
through it, we're going to repave it and then we're going to modify it.

553
01:04:36,235 --> 01:04:36,235
so the access agreement and the easement agreement calls for shared maintenance after we've

554
01:04:43,175 --> 01:04:43,175
already done all this in perpetuity as long as we're there and one of the neighbors

555
01:04:50,583 --> 01:04:50,583
likes plowing his own driveway so he'll do his own I'm not sure what our new neighbor

556
01:04:58,725 --> 01:04:58,725
wants to do but I. I know that we're going to have to plow our driveway so we're

557
01:05:03,330 --> 01:05:03,330
going to all probably get together and decide, you know, before the first snow when

558
01:05:09,802 --> 01:05:09,802
we're there who does what, you know, because it was a little when I looked at this, you

559
01:05:14,574 --> 01:05:14,574
know, easement one the one that we have. So it was only signed by you.

560
01:05:20,013 --> 01:05:20,013
>> it's only signed well, I can send you the one that's signed by everybody and if you send it

561
01:05:24,384 --> 01:05:27,653
to me. Sure. I thought I thought we had you may have matt you know offhand if a signed agreement is in hand and so I.

562
01:05:35,862 --> 01:05:35,862
I mean I've certainly seen it. I don't I can try to pull it off.

563
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:44,637
>> okay. >> if not we'll distribute to the board and so they have and so there's the monks, the cones and the series. So there's three houses that

564
01:05:51,678 --> 01:05:51,678
are using this access drive. That's correct. And how do you you know you're

565
01:05:57,884 --> 01:05:57,884
talking to everyone now you're going to live here. What happens because it to me

566
01:06:04,457 --> 01:06:04,457
it wasn't really clear how all this is going to be worked out when there are new owners there

567
01:06:10,363 --> 01:06:14,033
and they don't want to plow you know, they're property themselves. >> I believe the access agreement is in perpetuity and and carries on if we leave well

568
01:06:21,941 --> 01:06:21,941
it is in perpetuity. >> but what you know what I'm not sure about is the

569
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:26,880
understanding of exactly what you're all obligated to do in perpetuity.

570
01:06:34,086 --> 01:06:34,086
it's you know, you're already making exceptions to just some of what's in here and I'm not

571
01:06:41,194 --> 01:06:41,194
sure that I really saw, you know, the you know, maintenance of this you know, how what kind

572
01:06:45,798 --> 01:06:45,798
of exceptions are we making? >> I'm not so there's an easement for, you know,

573
01:06:56,276 --> 01:06:56,276
maintenance. There's an easement for the utilities and it's hard for me

574
01:07:00,714 --> 01:07:00,714
to understand because I haven't seen a map with all the like a sort of a survey with the three

575
01:07:08,155 --> 01:07:12,059
properties and how they all feed into this access road and who's going to do if you're just going to plow yours? >> I'm not sure that I understand without seeing

576
01:07:18,832 --> 01:07:18,832
something exactly what you are plowing as opposed to the rest of the people.

577
01:07:23,404 --> 01:07:23,404
>> and if someone who's closer to the street doesn't plow who takes care of it?

578
01:07:30,377 --> 01:07:30,377
so maybe we can ask you how do you how are you sharing all these costs when it's not clear

579
01:07:37,884 --> 01:07:41,554
who's doing what exactly who's doing what and there's no there's you know it talks about sharing but it doesn't say there's nothing about the process for how that's going to

580
01:07:46,159 --> 01:07:46,159
work. Let me see if we can get the a a better draw a better drawing

581
01:07:53,233 --> 01:07:53,233
of the shared driveway maybe. >> well, syria syria had been there.

582
01:08:03,610 --> 01:08:03,610
siri's been there for I don't know how many maybe a dozen years they have the property

583
01:08:10,584 --> 01:08:10,584
closest to the cul de sac and so their driveway is the first one on the left as you come off

584
01:08:18,659 --> 01:08:18,659
the cul de sac he's been plowing his own driveway up to the cul de sac for as long as

585
01:08:27,902 --> 01:08:27,902
he's lived there. The prior neighbor who was in monk's house was markey and

586
01:08:36,376 --> 01:08:36,376
markey plowed from his house up to series house so what we I'm assuming we're going to do when

587
01:08:45,452 --> 01:08:45,452
we work it out is we will plow from our house to monk's house .

588
01:08:51,625 --> 01:08:51,625
monks will plow from his house to series house and siri will plow from his house to the cul

589
01:08:57,197 --> 01:08:57,197
de sac and I assume that that's kind of what we're going to eventually work out and if monk

590
01:09:13,347 --> 01:09:13,347
if there's another owner of the monk house and he decides you know, I don't need to, you

591
01:09:18,852 --> 01:09:18,852
know, plow this, you know, whatever but the other people they got to get out.

592
01:09:23,690 --> 01:09:23,690
they can plow my property. >> yeah, I just I think someone should take a clear look at

593
01:09:29,996 --> 01:09:29,996
this and not assume that you're all going to get together today and agree on something and then

594
01:09:37,471 --> 01:09:41,274
in 5 or 10 years or the different owners you know, they don't see it the same way they're not working together. What's in here is what's going to, you know, prevail.

595
01:09:45,712 --> 01:09:49,549
you can always amend it, you know, informally among yourselves while you're there and you're talking to each other. But ultimately this document in

596
01:09:51,852 --> 01:09:51,852
terms of the easements, exactly what they are, the maintenance, how we're going to get people

597
01:09:57,057 --> 01:09:57,057
are going to get charged and pay for it and if they don't pay what the remedies are, this

598
01:10:01,094 --> 01:10:01,094
doesn't really deal with a lot of that and I think for everyone's sake it ought to be

599
01:10:07,301 --> 01:10:07,301
looked at and cleaned up and tightened up so that it works for anyone even if you're not

600
01:10:11,906 --> 01:10:11,906
talking to each other. Well, I'm not an attorney. I believe that this is an issue

601
01:10:19,246 --> 01:10:19,246
between neighbors and not necessarily an issue for the planning board and it's been

602
01:10:25,252 --> 01:10:25,252
worked out and everyone has agreed to it. So unless there's an objection

603
01:10:30,391 --> 01:10:30,391
from a neighbor, I'm not sure it's really pertinent to our discussion in this particular

604
01:10:38,432 --> 01:10:41,035
case. >> I think the fire department did want the road plowed just in case there's a problem. >> well, I think everybody needs to get in and out and I

605
01:10:48,843 --> 01:10:48,843
once again I'm not an attorney so I have I don't have the easement agreement right here

606
01:10:53,447 --> 01:10:53,447
in front of me but I believe that it carries through to all neighbors whether or not they

607
01:11:00,188 --> 01:11:00,188
move out and a new neighbor comes in and takes over. I think it's it runs with the

608
01:11:05,559 --> 01:11:05,559
entire land. >> it does wrong with the land and respectfully it is not

609
01:11:10,632 --> 01:11:14,001
that's not allowed. It's a driveway and the fire department would plow through when they needed to. >> it's you know, perpetual I'm just saying that there's a lot

610
01:11:17,638 --> 01:11:17,638
that's missing in here that that really makes it clear ironclad who's got to do what?

611
01:11:23,411 --> 01:11:23,411
if you want to have informal agreements, that's fine. You know, do it shake hands.

612
01:11:27,948 --> 01:11:27,948
but if someone you know if someone doesn't you know, following through does think

613
01:11:35,423 --> 01:11:39,192
that the serious problems and monks shall be solely responsible for their own snow and ice removal from the driveway which they will do for their own benefit and not for

614
01:11:42,497 --> 01:11:42,497
the benefit of the other parties related to that, this similar line of questioning

615
01:11:47,135 --> 01:11:47,135
came up at a previous application before the board clayton road.

616
01:11:53,674 --> 01:11:53,674
right. And the question similarly came up about who's going to plow

617
01:11:58,580 --> 01:11:58,580
the road and if no one does it, what's going to happen and what mr. Garner had indicated and

618
01:12:05,486 --> 01:12:05,486
what was told to us is that if the fire department needs to access you know, the road in

619
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:16,230
the roads not plowed, they will plowing and they will charge the owners. There's also the potential for them to be issued violation if they fail to plow.

620
01:12:21,268 --> 01:12:21,268
so those are the remedies if a future homeowner fails to properly keep their driveway

621
01:12:28,210 --> 01:12:28,210
clear of snow and ice. >> so the only difference matt ,is that the application

622
01:12:35,283 --> 01:12:35,283
you're referring to previously all of that's true except for one piece and that was the

623
01:12:40,087 --> 01:12:43,591
prior application was a private road whereas this is a driveway. >> so the inherent well except for the fact that we likely wouldn't issue violations for a

624
01:12:50,532 --> 01:12:50,532
driveway for failure to plow but the cost of plowing said driveway to get to the house

625
01:12:58,273 --> 01:12:58,273
for an emergency would be charged back. >> and if I can just add we had

626
01:13:02,944 --> 01:13:02,944
an interesting situation like that happened this winter where we have a long driveway

627
01:13:09,650 --> 01:13:13,054
currently it's about 512ft long. It's a narrow driveway and the day of the heaviest snow the second snow that we had there was almost two feet.

628
01:13:19,494 --> 01:13:19,494
our plow company decided to ghost us so we called around. We called around just we

629
01:13:28,502 --> 01:13:28,502
finally got in touch with them and they said it was too hard. They decided not to plow our

630
01:13:33,308 --> 01:13:33,308
driveway anymore so we called a bunch of people found somebody and took two days but we got a

631
01:13:40,948 --> 01:13:40,948
plowed now in a case like that if you run into an emergency situation somebody needs

632
01:13:47,055 --> 01:13:50,992
medical care or something like that. What do you do? You're kind of stuck. You're you're held you're holding the bag.

633
01:13:54,963 --> 01:13:54,963
so I can just tell you that we would you know, be as diligent as we possibly could and we

634
01:14:05,239 --> 01:14:05,239
will try to cooperate with all of our neighbors as best we can and it would be in everyone's

635
01:14:11,779 --> 01:14:11,779
best interest if they maintain their driveway and that's you know, rather than setting up a

636
01:14:16,884 --> 01:14:16,884
schedule right now which you know, we haven't done yet because we haven't moved in, we

637
01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:21,990
haven't built the house, we've got the formwork or the the I guess the outline of what we

638
01:14:28,997 --> 01:14:28,997
need to do and I think it makes it a good starting point to kind of develop a relationship

639
01:14:39,007 --> 01:14:42,977
with our neighbors which will be cooperative and everyone can work together. I mean that's all we can really do at this point I think. >> all right.

640
01:14:47,949 --> 01:14:47,949
so this this is a public hearing and I would like to hear from the public.

641
01:14:53,421 --> 01:14:53,421
is there anyone here in person in the audience who would like to speak on this application

642
01:14:57,692 --> 01:14:57,692
please? >> it's up, bro. >> closer.

643
01:15:04,366 --> 01:15:08,002
come up. Introduce yourself name, name and address. >> thank you. Thank you. My name is jonathan monk.

644
01:15:12,006 --> 01:15:12,006
I live at eight blueberry hill road the property to the east in question the correspondence

645
01:15:16,512 --> 01:15:16,512
I said has already been referenced and mr. Chair you touched on pretty much all of

646
01:15:24,252 --> 01:15:28,222
it. >> so I guess the only thing I wanted to ask regarding the town engineer's inspection at key milestones during the construction is what those

647
01:15:35,497 --> 01:15:35,497
milestones are. >> if we know that and if those inspections will be public and

648
01:15:40,235 --> 01:15:40,235
just able to be monitored like obviously we have an avenue to raise concerns but if we can

649
01:15:48,576 --> 01:15:48,576
just independently kind of keep track of progress, right? >> so my suggestion would be we

650
01:15:56,451 --> 01:15:56,451
can put you in touch with the town's bureau of engineering. I don't want to speak and

651
01:16:03,358 --> 01:16:03,358
unintentionally leave out one of the key milestones so they deal with an issue a number of

652
01:16:08,864 --> 01:16:12,834
stormwater permits probably dozens each if not more each year. So we're happy to put you in touch with them so you can understand that process,

653
01:16:17,606 --> 01:16:17,606
understand the milestones and understand the public inspection of records.

654
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:24,846
>> correct? Okay. Thank you. That's all I have. Thank thank you. Thank thank you for coming out.

655
01:16:28,784 --> 01:16:28,784
please mr. Or mr. Cohen and I know you want to mr. You want to speak and then if it's in

656
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:40,362
response is it in response to yes. >> okay. So I just want to respond to jonathan monk's concern. I can just tell you that we're

657
01:16:46,902 --> 01:16:50,805
going to do everything we know that it's going to be a lot of disturbance and once construction starts there's going to be dirt and mud and noise and all kinds of things

658
01:16:57,245 --> 01:16:57,245
that will kind of break the peace and quiet of that area a little bit.

659
01:17:02,450 --> 01:17:02,450
so we're going to be very, very diligent and make the contractors know that they've

660
01:17:08,857 --> 01:17:08,857
got to make sure that that's got to be kept clean and that we're going to try to minimize

661
01:17:15,864 --> 01:17:15,864
the disturbance as much as possible and also any sort of disturbance that might cause

662
01:17:23,705 --> 01:17:23,705
stormwater runoff such as silt sill fence. >> if if they get knocked down

663
01:17:29,945 --> 01:17:32,814
we will immediately put them back up. So we're going to try to be as good neighbors as we possibly can and you know, try to mitigate.

664
01:17:39,288 --> 01:17:39,288
it's going to it's going to be a process it's going to probably take about a year or

665
01:17:43,792 --> 01:17:46,929
so to do this. But we're going to do our best to kind of make it as easy on you as possible. And and I'm not sure we've we're even going to know when

666
01:17:53,936 --> 01:17:55,938
the inspections are going to happen. Are we going to get notifications of when the inspections are going to happen?

667
01:17:59,308 --> 01:18:02,645
>> yeah. So there's an inspection checklist so they're going to come out periodically but there are going to be times where your team will contact the

668
01:18:05,848 --> 01:18:05,848
bureau of engineering and say we've installed all the silt fencing according to the plan

669
01:18:11,153 --> 01:18:14,156
we'd like you to come out for an inspection. Okay. But there will be spot inspections. They have the ability to

670
01:18:17,526 --> 01:18:17,526
perform spot inspections and to to our best knowledge if you if you want to know if if we're

671
01:18:22,364 --> 01:18:22,364
notified that there's going to be an inspection, I'm happy to let you know in I might suggest

672
01:18:29,104 --> 01:18:29,104
if you haven't exchange information yet or we have great we have wonderful.

673
01:18:33,175 --> 01:18:33,175
>> okay. All right. >> next member of the public

674
01:18:38,314 --> 01:18:38,314
please state your name and address for the record. >> thank you.

675
01:18:43,553 --> 01:18:43,553
>> good evening on clovis I live at 12 cayuga lane which is just north of the property on

676
01:18:48,357 --> 01:18:48,357
the other side of the woods effectively again I'm also I'm supportive of the property.

677
01:18:53,796 --> 01:18:57,667
I think it's going to be great for the area. My biggest concern I think I would have is around just storm water runoff just downstream flooding you probably already

678
01:19:04,874 --> 01:19:04,874
are aware but this property resides near the wetland that feeds barney brook.

679
01:19:10,079 --> 01:19:10,079
barney brook is a area that has seen a lot of issues in the town of irvington and irvington

680
01:19:16,853 --> 01:19:16,853
has received federal funds or state funds I should say to mitigate that flooding.

681
01:19:24,894 --> 01:19:28,664
so I think that's just an area of concern for all that the neighbors in the area is flooding. Flooding is extreme in this area.

682
01:19:32,368 --> 01:19:32,368
the rainfall that we've had in the last couple flash floods have just inundated the area.

683
01:19:38,942 --> 01:19:38,942
there was recently a hearing about an adjacent property on 50 morgan road as well where

684
01:19:44,013 --> 01:19:44,013
they were trying to build a garage addition and I'm just curious like between those

685
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:50,920
properties because they're relatively closely situated. Has there been any assessment

686
01:19:55,057 --> 01:19:55,057
done about the combined impact of that and how that feeds the downhill especially like how

687
01:20:02,098 --> 01:20:05,735
you go in an area? >> and I'll ask you a slightly different question and deputy commissioner schmidt, could could you just sort of walk us through what the code

688
01:20:10,740 --> 01:20:13,809
requirements is? Are in terms of stormwater mitigation? >> right. So broken down to its simplest form the code requires that

689
01:20:20,951 --> 01:20:20,951
there be no net increase in water discharging from the property in the

690
01:20:26,055 --> 01:20:26,055
post-construction condition versus the pre construction condition so the applicant as

691
01:20:33,562 --> 01:20:33,562
part of the storm water pollution prevention plan to very like it can be a very

692
01:20:37,866 --> 01:20:37,866
lengthy document has to do an analysis of preexisting conditions how water moves

693
01:20:44,373 --> 01:20:44,373
through the site and then off the site in the preexisting condition and then modeling and

694
01:20:49,779 --> 01:20:49,779
inserting the new home driveway removal of trees, etc. And any regrading that's done along

695
01:21:02,024 --> 01:21:05,328
with their new systems that they're putting in place in this case the buyer retention basins, the various catch basins they model that and they have to submit all that

696
01:21:10,399 --> 01:21:10,399
documentation on to the town's bureau of engineering to ensure that in that post-construction

697
01:21:17,440 --> 01:21:17,440
condition there is no additional water leaving the site and oftentimes it's

698
01:21:22,412 --> 01:21:22,412
actually less often time oftentimes, right. >> so we're we have to speak

699
01:21:33,823 --> 01:21:37,360
about the current project before I sign I was around during the construction process of 50 mile again and I'm sorry the mulligans. >> yeah the little more that

700
01:21:44,133 --> 01:21:44,133
the bell right yes so but I'm not an engineer I only know what the code requires and what

701
01:21:50,874 --> 01:21:50,874
our bureau of engineering looks at and analyzes and then the inspections and to get to the

702
01:21:56,179 --> 01:21:56,179
heart of your question or ultimately what deputy commissioner schmidt explain

703
01:22:02,452 --> 01:22:02,452
that that net reduction is on a site by site basis and so ultimately the the fact that

704
01:22:06,456 --> 01:22:06,456
there's two projects or two sites near each other that both had development ultimate

705
01:22:10,459 --> 01:22:10,459
ultimately each site independently had to have a net reduction right it's it's you

706
01:22:17,366 --> 01:22:17,366
can't you know if one of them is doing more and the other one's doing less they don't

707
01:22:23,406 --> 01:22:23,406
balance out if you're you know they're individually okay I know I understand.

708
01:22:27,744 --> 01:22:30,847
I appreciate that of course and what you guys have done to kind of assess the situation it's exactly like you said morgan development and it's probably a function of weather conditions

709
01:22:37,688 --> 01:22:37,688
changing radically and I think maybe that's part of the the the the review that's pending

710
01:22:41,758 --> 01:22:41,758
has changed significantly like the amount of water that comes down.

711
01:22:46,229 --> 01:22:46,229
so what was fine before is just not and I guess the other concern I would have is the

712
01:22:52,935 --> 01:22:52,935
there's a 100 yes there's a lot of invasive species but there's one hundred mature probably 50

713
01:23:00,377 --> 01:23:00,377
year old trees that retain a significant amount of water in their root system and putting

714
01:23:06,383 --> 01:23:06,383
72 saplings which isn't even equivalent to the number of trees coming out which are tiny

715
01:23:10,653 --> 01:23:10,653
they're not I get it there's retention ponds but there's still also a like the grading

716
01:23:17,827 --> 01:23:20,030
of the slopes, right? Like just the retention of soil and stuff. The roots do that like ponds not going to retain the dirt on these steep slopes which

717
01:23:26,203 --> 01:23:29,873
there's about 5000ft2 of which is like the size of a basketball court. It's a relatively large area, right? >> so I know that prior to

718
01:23:35,178 --> 01:23:35,178
closing out the stormwater management control permit which is completely separate from the

719
01:23:39,849 --> 01:23:39,849
building permit and you know other related permit, the site has to be fully stabilized so

720
01:23:47,291 --> 01:23:47,291
you can't have erosion happening with erosion gullies and silt and whatnot entering

721
01:23:52,062 --> 01:23:52,062
into the wetland and then discharging to offsite properties that would not be

722
01:23:58,969 --> 01:23:58,969
something that would satisfy the bureau of engineering tont r permit is closed.

723
01:24:02,976 --> 01:24:02,976
>> okay. That's good to hear and I guess the last thing was and if I

724
01:24:08,182 --> 01:24:08,182
could actually so I'm not too sure if I could just ask one question so deputy commissioner

725
01:24:13,387 --> 01:24:13,387
schmidt could you also just explain briefly so you know, certainly there has been I

726
01:24:18,092 --> 01:24:18,092
would say an evolution in weather events or over time our code currently requires is a 25

727
01:24:25,433 --> 01:24:28,668
year storm. That's correct. And I'm and for the record what what level storm is the applicant proposing for the storm water retention system I

728
01:24:36,476 --> 01:24:36,476
believe the 25 year storm. Okay. That yeah I did have a comment.

729
01:24:41,115 --> 01:24:41,115
I was going to relay back to the applicant and I believe miss anderson I've just

730
01:24:48,155 --> 01:24:48,155
robinson had a question as well but the last point it partly touched on it was the fire

731
01:24:52,859 --> 01:24:52,859
access. This is a heavily wooded area that is also relatively close

732
01:24:59,033 --> 01:24:59,033
to a nature reserve that's just on the other side of the street.

733
01:25:03,203 --> 01:25:03,203
so I think the concern was I think even in the application it said substandard with

734
01:25:07,974 --> 01:25:07,974
driveway 14ft there is that concern whether it's snow or anything else of if they have

735
01:25:15,615 --> 01:25:15,615
to plow to even get in there that's a problem like fires aren't going to wait for the

736
01:25:21,522 --> 01:25:21,522
plow to arrive for the fire department to access what is an extensively long driveway to

737
01:25:26,426 --> 01:25:26,426
get to a property and that I think is just another concern for people that live around.

738
01:25:31,064 --> 01:25:31,064
there is that it is heavily wooded fire spreads quick and so that's just I'm just

739
01:25:38,437 --> 01:25:38,437
wondering if has the irvington beyond like because I think irvington also covers this area

740
01:25:45,179 --> 01:25:45,179
off a mountain road as does the irvington fire department chiefs and off there.

741
01:25:49,450 --> 01:25:51,251
>> yes. Okay. And I can speak on that. We voted the plans in their entirety to the irvington fire district and they indicated

742
01:25:56,123 --> 01:25:56,123
that they had no issues with the project as presented. >> okay, great.

743
01:26:00,327 --> 01:26:04,264
that's a I appreciate your time. >> yeah. It's not just in house, you know. No, no review we do send to the

744
01:26:07,668 --> 01:26:07,668
districts that cover the properties. Okay throughout the town what's

745
01:26:12,707 --> 01:26:12,707
I appreciate your congrats I responded to yes please mr.. >> mr. Cohen a couple of things

746
01:26:19,180 --> 01:26:19,180
I just wanted to respond to in regards to the route the uptake of water, the hydrology of the

747
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:26,320
trees as I said, I would say a majority of the trees are in critical condition so there are

748
01:26:32,759 --> 01:26:32,759
almost dead in a lot of cases or they are dead . So their route their water

749
01:26:40,601 --> 01:26:40,601
uptake is minimal right now and it's going to decline even more over time.

750
01:26:45,205 --> 01:26:45,205
so I do agree that a full sized tree takes up much more water than a smaller sapling that you

751
01:26:52,313 --> 01:26:52,313
plant but ultimately the idea is to fully vegetate the whole property so that it actually

752
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:00,120
has a much better hydro logical profile than it does now because now it's pretty much

753
01:27:08,228 --> 01:27:12,133
barren except for the trees and we're going to be planting it extensively and trying to enhance the property as well as the wetlands. So I think it may take a few

754
01:27:19,406 --> 01:27:19,406
years to get to that point but ultimately I think it will be a much better sort of condition

755
01:27:27,381 --> 01:27:27,381
as far as the landscaping and the trees and the plantings go than it is now.

756
01:27:33,988 --> 01:27:33,988
thank you. >> is there anyone here in in person who would like to speak

757
01:27:42,830 --> 01:27:42,830
on this application all right. Is there anyone on zoom who would like to speak on this

758
01:27:47,101 --> 01:27:47,101
application? >> mr. Lefler? >> hey, how you doing?

759
01:27:53,508 --> 01:27:56,778
sorry I couldn't be there in person but I appreciate the opportunity. I live at 15 cayuga lane right next to sven and I look, I'm not opposed in the project in

760
01:28:07,721 --> 01:28:07,721
principle my concern is what happens actually in practice once construction begins and

761
01:28:15,630 --> 01:28:15,630
the site is elevated and my property sits right at the bottom of that, it's the first

762
01:28:22,637 --> 01:28:22,637
kind of drainage point from where where the swamp drains to and so if stormwater controls

763
01:28:29,377 --> 01:28:29,377
don't work in the real world I live with the consequences sandwiched with the

764
01:28:36,583 --> 01:28:36,583
consequences the other neighbors on our cul de sac live with the consequences and

765
01:28:40,956 --> 01:28:40,956
I want to be candid I'm I cannot stress how concerned I am about this.

766
01:28:51,399 --> 01:28:51,399
it's not theoretical. We we lived with the impact of the mulligan lane construction

767
01:29:00,374 --> 01:29:00,374
and you know and mr. Schmidt I believe I order it I, I appreciate the what the code it

768
01:29:12,019 --> 01:29:12,019
is to me for water runoff. I cannot imagine that that is being met right now for the

769
01:29:23,264 --> 01:29:23,264
mulligan lane properties and we're not here to talk about that but it gets to my point

770
01:29:28,270 --> 01:29:28,270
which is accountability. So I was in this room where you guys are years ago when similar

771
01:29:35,476 --> 01:29:35,476
the exact same assurances were made about the mulligan lane development before it started

772
01:29:42,483 --> 01:29:42,483
stormwater performance storage capacity all the plantings, the mitigation measures, everything

773
01:29:47,522 --> 01:29:47,522
right we heard it all. We were told all of this and the reality on the ground

774
01:29:54,428 --> 01:29:54,428
didn't match those assurances as fen mentioned as many others mentioned, you know weather

775
01:30:01,936 --> 01:30:05,674
patterns have changed. That doesn't help the situation at all but it is the reality that we deal with. So you know, my neighbors and I live with the the runoff impact

776
01:30:12,480 --> 01:30:12,480
when it rains to this day I still get runoff debris and garbage on my property from the

777
01:30:21,089 --> 01:30:21,089
prior construction area. We're not here to talk about that but I do want to talk

778
01:30:25,394 --> 01:30:25,394
about accountability because I'm the one who has to deal with the garbage and it's it's

779
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:32,200
not a fun thing like I want to be. I also want to say, mr. Cohen,

780
01:30:40,508 --> 01:30:40,508
when you might recall we met I think a year or two two years ago I thought you were

781
01:30:47,415 --> 01:30:51,085
thoughtful. I thought you were sincere. You seemed like an excellent neighbor. And you know, I look forward to having you as a neighbor.

782
01:30:55,590 --> 01:30:55,590
I appreciate the care that you've taken with these plans and the plantings and

783
01:31:01,896 --> 01:31:01,896
everything there and I can imagine it might possibly improve the health of the

784
01:31:07,268 --> 01:31:10,972
woods. That would be great. My concern isn't about intent. It's about how do we make sure that there is good intentions and good plans come with real

785
01:31:18,646 --> 01:31:18,646
oversight that prevents damage . So I'll I'll stop there and one

786
01:31:29,057 --> 01:31:29,057
one key question that I want to ask is if if the standard is no net increase in runoff in the

787
01:31:36,298 --> 01:31:36,298
post-construction condition and that's you know and that's not what neighbors are experiencing

788
01:31:43,805 --> 01:31:43,805
in practice from the mulligan lane construction. Well, how do we square that

789
01:31:48,444 --> 01:31:48,444
with what we're hearing now from ten minutes ago? How do we enforce

790
01:31:52,580 --> 01:31:52,580
accountability? >> who is accountable? And it's not necessarily

791
01:31:56,985 --> 01:32:00,956
intentional. I don't think anyone had bad intentions but it's the reality of the situation that we're that we're dealing with. >> thank you.

792
01:32:06,528 --> 01:32:09,832
thank you, mr. Leffler. Thank you. Yes, deputy commissioner schmidt, would you like to respond? So I'm going to let legal

793
01:32:14,369 --> 01:32:14,369
respond to the accountability matter. >> but in terms of in terms of

794
01:32:21,643 --> 01:32:21,643
responding to comments about additional measures, let's say that perhaps could be

795
01:32:28,817 --> 01:32:32,755
undertaken by the applicant and the project team I was going to bring this up before but we wanted to get to the public commentary with there be the possibility to further protect

796
01:32:40,362 --> 01:32:40,362
downstream properties during the course of construction, would you be open to

797
01:32:44,733 --> 01:32:44,733
utilization of both wire backed reinforced silt fencing as well as potentially straw bales to

798
01:32:53,675 --> 01:32:53,675
support that silt fencing so that you know with the more intense rain events that we've

799
01:33:01,684 --> 01:33:01,684
experience over these the last handful of years we've seen the typical silt fencing get

800
01:33:08,990 --> 01:33:08,990
breached much more often than in years prior. So one of the things we've

801
01:33:16,665 --> 01:33:16,665
asked applicants to consider is the wire backed combined with the straw bales as an

802
01:33:24,306 --> 01:33:24,306
additional measure. >> so I just like to respond to the gentleman.

803
01:33:28,477 --> 01:33:28,477
thanks for your comments. I certainly appreciate what you're saying.

804
01:33:34,283 --> 01:33:34,283
when we first went to the site and sort of looked at the lay of the land, it was very kind

805
01:33:39,288 --> 01:33:39,288
of unique because the stream runs in two directions and my guess and this is based on

806
01:33:49,931 --> 01:33:49,931
working with the stormwater prevention pollution plan and and everything that we working

807
01:33:54,804 --> 01:33:54,804
on that the mulligan lane situation and I correct me if I'm wrong but I think mulligan

808
01:34:02,044 --> 01:34:02,044
lane is up on the hill up on the the top of the valley there so it runs directly down into

809
01:34:09,452 --> 01:34:09,452
the backyards of that area I think and in the particular case of this property, most of

810
01:34:16,592 --> 01:34:16,592
the runoff comes from the pond up above there's a there's a manmade pond to the east and

811
01:34:28,037 --> 01:34:28,037
they have two areas of runoff that run right down the hill. Then the at a certain point

812
01:34:35,545 --> 01:34:35,545
right after it gets across the property line at some point maybe the girl scouts who are

813
01:34:42,751 --> 01:34:42,751
on the property or somebody before that built a stone where almost like a little dam so

814
01:34:50,293 --> 01:34:50,293
when the water runs off it runs in two directions. It hits that area and it runs

815
01:34:55,130 --> 01:34:55,130
backwards towards the pond on blueberry hill road and then it runs down towards your

816
01:35:03,372 --> 01:35:03,372
properties. So most of the water that I've seen collects in the spring and

817
01:35:10,312 --> 01:35:10,312
when there's heavy rain seasons and then in the summer that whole area dries out if there's

818
01:35:18,287 --> 01:35:18,287
a big rain event it continues. It runs both ways. My guess is that most of the

819
01:35:25,094 --> 01:35:25,094
runoff you're seeing is coming from the new construction in mulligan lane.

820
01:35:29,899 --> 01:35:29,899
maybe I don't know. And the area that is has the pond above it the area we're

821
01:35:37,540 --> 01:35:41,444
planning on doing the construction is kind of up on a plateau and of course we're going to be moving we're moving trees and that you know, speeds up the flow of rain.

822
01:35:47,849 --> 01:35:47,849
but I'm certainly open to putting in a reinforced fencing if you think that's going to

823
01:35:53,022 --> 01:35:53,022
make a difference. I don't see that would make that much of a difference as

824
01:35:57,694 --> 01:35:57,694
far as overall cost goes. >> but my guess my guess is that even after we clear the

825
01:36:07,603 --> 01:36:07,603
property there's not going to be as much runoff because most of the runoff comes from the

826
01:36:12,609 --> 01:36:12,609
the pond in the area above that and I've walked that property when it's rained a lot and I

827
01:36:19,848 --> 01:36:19,848
never see water running from the west to the east. It's all it all gets absorbed

828
01:36:24,286 --> 01:36:24,286
into the into the soil and you know we're going to be planting the soil.

829
01:36:31,394 --> 01:36:34,230
obviously there's going to be construction and we're going to have silt fence fencing around there. So we're going to do everything we can to mitigate that and if

830
01:36:38,701 --> 01:36:38,701
we have to harden up the soil fencing and put in hay bales in certain areas, maybe it isn't

831
01:36:44,740 --> 01:36:44,740
necessary all along it but we'll sort of identify that and we're work with the town and

832
01:36:50,147 --> 01:36:53,750
kind of figure those areas out . >> thank you. Thank you. I have no question that that you will be meticulous in

833
01:36:56,419 --> 01:36:56,419
maintaining the property and overseeing your your contractors but you know mr.

834
01:37:04,326 --> 01:37:04,326
leffler referenced construction debris that was left by a developer at a at a different

835
01:37:11,034 --> 01:37:11,034
property. Would you be open as a condition to you know, ensure

836
01:37:15,471 --> 01:37:15,471
that all construction debris is removed from the property before building permits are

837
01:37:22,345 --> 01:37:22,345
final final approval is issued . >> so you definitely and that

838
01:37:30,286 --> 01:37:30,286
was part of why I asked earlier you're intending to live at this property.

839
01:37:37,727 --> 01:37:41,197
>> I don't want to see construction debris around which which is which is different from a developer building and then selling off some people might consider the

840
01:37:45,768 --> 01:37:49,639
sculptures that we put up there construction debris but but that that's a difference. >> well we'll let these guys fine tune that when we had a draft draft and I just wanted

841
01:37:57,246 --> 01:37:57,246
to add as part of the condition of the swap the the contractor that mr. Cone chooses to do the

842
01:38:04,186 --> 01:38:04,186
construction will be required to have a dc trained individual as part of the contractors team

843
01:38:11,927 --> 01:38:11,927
to make daily inspections of the cell phones double up cell phones of necessary hay bales

844
01:38:19,369 --> 01:38:19,369
if necessary. So all of those provisions are requirements of of the

845
01:38:24,173 --> 01:38:24,173
contractor who's going to be doing the work. >> yeah and is it once a week

846
01:38:28,211 --> 01:38:32,114
or once every other week where reports or you know those inspections are compiled into a report correct. >> emitted to the town? Yes.

847
01:38:36,419 --> 01:38:38,221
okay. Thank you. I just wanted to note so if there is an issue you can reach out to the town engineer or a building inspector and they

848
01:38:43,359 --> 01:38:43,359
will respond that day and if it's after hours then they'll respond the next day.

849
01:38:49,766 --> 01:38:49,766
>> I just want to mention if there's something like a hurricane and it's beyond our

850
01:38:54,237 --> 01:38:57,941
control, there's not much we can do but we'll do everything we can to if there's something like that coming to strengthen and harden the the protections .

851
01:39:04,414 --> 01:39:08,117
>> all right. Things to clarify this is for 100 year storm, right? >> correct. The storm water design was designed for 2525.

852
01:39:12,988 --> 01:39:16,760
>> okay. All right, mr. Lefler, you have another yeah, if you don't mind, I just gave thank you, man and I obviously your intentions are not the same as

853
01:39:26,837 --> 01:39:26,837
you know what happened a mulligan and it's really just unfortunate luck I think for

854
01:39:31,908 --> 01:39:31,908
everybody here, especially you that we have to bring this up now.

855
01:39:38,782 --> 01:39:38,782
it would be irresponsible to our families and our ourselves if we didn't bring it up.

856
01:39:45,755 --> 01:39:45,755
>> I just want to clarify one 1 or 2 points we get run off now from that from that the the

857
01:39:57,134 --> 01:39:57,134
swamp there usually during it'll happen during snowmelt it'll happen during heavy rains

858
01:40:04,741 --> 01:40:04,741
and the heavy rains are happening way more often than they used to.

859
01:40:09,413 --> 01:40:09,413
it creates a waterfall in my backyard and spends backyard it's no one's fault.

860
01:40:16,387 --> 01:40:16,387
>> that's just the reality of the situation. And you used a word earlier

861
01:40:21,492 --> 01:40:21,492
that you said my guess is that it will go down right and I agree and you've done that this

862
01:40:29,266 --> 01:40:29,266
is your profession. You're an expert at it. Your guess is a pretty good

863
01:40:34,404 --> 01:40:34,404
guess. But what if you're wrong because we've now dealt with

864
01:40:40,243 --> 01:40:40,243
the repercussions of all the assurances the 25 year storm drains and all that and all the

865
01:40:51,388 --> 01:40:51,388
runoff. >> you know, we've we've dealt with the you know the the so

866
01:40:56,093 --> 01:40:56,093
what and it's it's a pretty big oops now where no one no one's accountable every time it rains

867
01:41:03,867 --> 01:41:03,867
my neighbor not to find the guy who lives on the other side of me you know his there's a river

868
01:41:11,408 --> 01:41:11,408
that runs through his yard and rip and and dumps his river stones heavy river stones that

869
01:41:18,749 --> 01:41:18,749
are three inches in in diameter just dumps them all out into the cul de sac and he has to

870
01:41:26,156 --> 01:41:26,156
get out there with a shovel and he makes his kids do it now you know, gives them a workout but

871
01:41:30,628 --> 01:41:30,628
you know, shovels them back into onto his property. >> so I'm not again, I'm not

872
01:41:38,001 --> 01:41:38,001
trying to prevent this. I truly am trying to raise issues that are the reality of

873
01:41:48,311 --> 01:41:48,311
of what we live on a daily basis and just hope that we can come to some some solutions

874
01:41:53,317 --> 01:41:53,317
that we're not there for. Mulligan right. So I'll stop now.

875
01:41:58,822 --> 01:41:58,822
thank you for the opportunity and anyone can contact me any time.

876
01:42:05,161 --> 01:42:05,161
my phone number is (202) 531-5358. Really this is important to to

877
01:42:11,201 --> 01:42:11,201
me so don't hesitate to reach out. >> thank you, mr. Lefler.

878
01:42:17,775 --> 01:42:17,775
I appreciate that. I just wanted to respond quickly and because we do have

879
01:42:22,246 --> 01:42:22,246
multiple other projects on the agenda this evening I think I don't want to speak for mr.

880
01:42:29,786 --> 01:42:29,786
khan but I do know that there are multiple areas or properties that contribute to

881
01:42:37,060 --> 01:42:37,060
that wetland. Mr. Cohen site and I think what he was pointing out is on the

882
01:42:44,968 --> 01:42:44,968
other side of the wetland where the east side of the wetland there's a down to it and

883
01:42:52,543 --> 01:42:52,543
there's actually a pond up above and I'm happy to meet with you mr. Lefler and any of

884
01:42:57,247 --> 01:43:00,618
the neighbors to kind of show you what contributes to this wetland area. Well, mr. Cone can't be held responsible for what happens on the other side.

885
01:43:05,155 --> 01:43:05,155
he is going to be held responsible for what his property contrib shoots and

886
01:43:13,230 --> 01:43:13,230
he's going to be held to this standard of the town. >> but he can't if there's

887
01:43:17,301 --> 01:43:17,301
water moving down the opposite side of the hill and down into the wetland area and then

888
01:43:22,139 --> 01:43:22,139
ultimately down towards cayuga, you know, that's not something he can tackle or you know,

889
01:43:28,512 --> 01:43:28,512
handle or you know, do anything about really. So it's it's kind of a dynamic

890
01:43:33,384 --> 01:43:33,384
situation and there are multiple properties involved but certainly with respect to

891
01:43:41,492 --> 01:43:41,492
his site, you know they're going to be held to the standard and and we do you know

892
01:43:45,896 --> 01:43:45,896
now we're fully outfitted with a full bureau of engineering that has multiple inspectors

893
01:43:53,103 --> 01:43:57,008
that are out on properties, you know, every day if not every other day. So I can appreciate your concerns. I do live in irvington as well

894
01:44:01,311 --> 01:44:01,311
and I'm familiar with the area I grew up in the area. So there is certainly well

895
01:44:08,086 --> 01:44:08,086
received. >> thank you. Are there any additional

896
01:44:13,157 --> 01:44:13,157
questions from the board I guess are there any additional anyone else on zoom who would

897
01:44:18,395 --> 01:44:21,699
like to speak at this public hearing? >> I don't believe so. All right. Anyone from the board have any additional questions or

898
01:44:25,436 --> 01:44:28,138
comments? No, no. All right. Great. >> thank you very much. Thank you very much you thanks

899
01:44:33,711 --> 01:44:36,347
for your time. Does the board want to entertain closing or a journey? >> we are in public hearing. Yes. I think we've heard all the

900
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:46,791
comments and we appreciate the comments and there's been responses. Anything that was not directly responded to in terms of inspection reports and those

901
01:44:54,665 --> 01:44:54,665
reports being open to the public. I've identified that I'm happy

902
01:44:59,003 --> 01:44:59,003
to put the neighbors and or the applicant in touch with our bureau of engineering so that

903
01:45:03,608 --> 01:45:03,608
they can understand that process of the stormwater management control permit the

904
01:45:08,813 --> 01:45:12,549
various inspections and the public inspection of those records. So I think we've responded to to those points and the board could entertain to close or

905
01:45:20,758 --> 01:45:24,028
adjourn. Okay. >> just someone raised the issue of you know designing the storm plan for 25 years. Is there any way to increase

906
01:45:31,002 --> 01:45:31,002
that given the discussions we're hearing and the risks referred to?

907
01:45:39,510 --> 01:45:39,510
>> right. Yeah. So as mr. Chang is coming up,

908
01:45:44,749 --> 01:45:44,749
this is something that you know, has been brought up at almost every application that

909
01:45:51,556 --> 01:45:51,556
comes before the planning board just given the severity of storm events more in more

910
01:45:56,327 --> 01:45:56,327
recent history and if they're either a has been exploration of the potential to design for

911
01:46:03,869 --> 01:46:03,869
something greater than the minimum standard required by the town or if not if that you

912
01:46:11,609 --> 01:46:11,609
know can be done or research any additional well I so the stormwater design all the catch

913
01:46:19,818 --> 01:46:19,818
basins, all the piping the bar retention basins were all designed for 25 year storms.

914
01:46:24,055 --> 01:46:24,055
I can run the model to see what larger storms I can handle. Don't quote me I think it

915
01:46:31,963 --> 01:46:31,963
probably will be able to accept 100 year storm although I would have to check the calculation

916
01:46:39,302 --> 01:46:39,302
if you could really be a battery grant thank you. Do you think you would need

917
01:46:43,375 --> 01:46:43,375
more than a week to be able to determine that? >> no, I think I can probably

918
01:46:49,414 --> 01:46:53,084
get it to you the next couple of days. >> correct. Okay. That'd be thank you. All right. And I will entertain a motion to close the public hearing and keep the written record open

919
01:46:59,891 --> 01:47:03,661
through may 13th. >> so move, move. Mr. Bellinger second, second. >> ms.. Robinson all in favor? I chair votes I and I will

920
01:47:07,899 --> 01:47:07,899
entertain a motion to close this public hearing session of the planning board so moved

921
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:15,040
moved ms. Robinson second second mr. Bellinger on favor I chair votes I and I will call

922
01:47:22,147 --> 01:47:22,147
for a five minute recess and I'll come bac all right.

923
01:47:30,202 --> 01:47:30,202
welcome back to the wednesday, may 6th, 2026 planning board meeting.

924
01:47:34,840 --> 01:47:34,840
>> it is 902 pm. >> we are back to our work session.

925
01:47:41,513 --> 01:47:41,513
we have four items of new business this evening. >> first up we have case number

926
01:47:51,724 --> 01:47:51,724
2530 to conquer at 14 hurst stone circle in scarsdale. The applicant is seeking a

927
01:47:59,865 --> 01:47:59,865
wetland watercourse permit is someone here representing the applicant this evening matt was

928
01:48:09,274 --> 01:48:09,274
there communication with the applicant and to a representative?

929
01:48:14,046 --> 01:48:14,046
>> yes. >> is henry in the audience and very now it looks like the

930
01:48:23,789 --> 01:48:23,789
other apple oh there was a gentleman sitting there before well let's that's stepped out

931
01:48:32,531 --> 01:48:32,531
for me so so we'll skip around and we'll we'll come back to conquer all right the next up

932
01:48:38,937 --> 01:48:38,937
we have case number pb 2603 mccann's cuban cafe at 17 east hartsdale avenue in parts dale

933
01:48:50,916 --> 01:48:50,916
the applicant is seeking a special use permit for a restaurant and a shared parking

934
01:48:55,721 --> 01:48:59,291
reduction. >> good evening. I agree with many members of the board. We are here with narula hernandez.

935
01:49:03,830 --> 01:49:03,830
she's the owner of attention school cafe 17 is hartsdale high so we are coming on three

936
01:49:13,806 --> 01:49:16,975
year anniversary of being in hartzell community so we're looking to expand our seating into our next door neighbor who has been vacant for about eight months eight nine months now

937
01:49:21,413 --> 01:49:21,413
I'm looking to expand seating at about seven tables 28 seats to accommodate families aunts,

938
01:49:31,322 --> 01:49:31,322
uncles, babies. I currently just have five bar stools in a little takeout area

939
01:49:35,327 --> 01:49:35,327
so I'm just looking to expand and have the community kind of sit and hang a little bit

940
01:49:39,331 --> 01:49:39,331
longer. >> so yeah, that's our special permit request.

941
01:49:45,571 --> 01:49:45,571
well and just a couple of questions would there be an interconnection between the

942
01:49:49,842 --> 01:49:49,842
existing space and the new space interior? >> yes.

943
01:49:53,946 --> 01:49:53,946
yes. >> we're going to we're going to be making an opening around

944
01:49:59,652 --> 01:49:59,652
four feet but not in the area. >> what is the kitchen? It's going to be just in front.

945
01:50:03,989 --> 01:50:03,989
so he's not going to be anything exposed for the fire department.

946
01:50:08,594 --> 01:50:08,594
>> fire department mean common zoning and we we knew and we made plans for that right that

947
01:50:13,031 --> 01:50:13,031
I deploying that plan right now so this also her new location is the same square footage

948
01:50:20,139 --> 01:50:20,139
she's 488ft2 so basically is an empty space with a bathroom in the back and what we're going

949
01:50:27,914 --> 01:50:27,914
to do is turn that pattern into a handicapped bathroom for easy access for for the customers is

950
01:50:36,923 --> 01:50:36,923
going to be basically two entrances for in the front and two exits in the back right and

951
01:50:44,563 --> 01:50:44,563
we have everything related with the fire department and the sprinkler system is the only

952
01:50:55,608 --> 01:50:55,608
request that they they mention and right. >> and you show the sprinkler

953
01:51:01,381 --> 01:51:03,248
logo. Yes. Yes we we made an extra set of plans for that just to show them that we're going to have a sprinkler system and the new

954
01:51:08,153 --> 01:51:10,388
location. >> great. And one other question the project in addition to the special use permit requires a shared parking reduction by or

955
01:51:17,897 --> 01:51:17,897
via this conversion of the space to into a restaurant and there's a greater parking

956
01:51:23,836 --> 01:51:23,836
requirement right. >> and this additional use would require an additional 13

957
01:51:31,076 --> 01:51:31,076
off street parking spaces. We know that this property does not provide for off street

958
01:51:38,350 --> 01:51:38,350
parking so that's why you're seeking the shared parking reduction.

959
01:51:43,189 --> 01:51:43,189
I guess the question is, you know, have you evaluated it? Just walk us through your

960
01:51:48,128 --> 01:51:48,128
evaluation of nearby locations that patrons would be able to park and yes, basically we have

961
01:51:54,934 --> 01:51:54,934
a discussion with the parking district and they do have the comments that they do is going

962
01:52:02,041 --> 01:52:06,012
to bring them here. Yes. The ones that they give us this is a across the street they say that is fine because I believe in the whole section where you

963
01:52:12,218 --> 01:52:12,218
have the company which owns it just yeah, but it comes for the parking district like we have.

964
01:52:34,440 --> 01:52:34,440
okay. They say we we're concerned about the street and around

965
01:52:40,647 --> 01:52:40,647
this is adequate parking is available to restaurant patrons through the nearby municipal

966
01:52:44,918 --> 01:52:44,918
parking lot which provides 95 off street spaces as well as 52 on street parking spaces along

967
01:52:52,125 --> 01:52:52,125
the corridor to support the proposed expansion. >> thank you.

968
01:52:56,429 --> 01:52:56,429
yes. >> so just expanding upon that as required under the town

969
01:53:02,869 --> 01:53:02,869
code, the zoning ordinance specifically the building inspectors office is to issue a

970
01:53:07,640 --> 01:53:07,640
recommendation on all shared parking reductions to this board and the building

971
01:53:14,447 --> 01:53:14,447
inspectors office did did do that via memorandum dated march 23rd, 2026 where they indicated

972
01:53:21,755 --> 01:53:21,755
that while the applicant does not have any dedicated off street parking spaces, this

973
01:53:28,861 --> 01:53:28,861
condition is not unique as many businesses along east hartsdale avenue similarly lack yes the

974
01:53:36,869 --> 01:53:36,869
onsite parking and while the applicant seeks a shared parking reduction to zero

975
01:53:44,277 --> 01:53:44,277
adequate parking is available to the patrons via those 95 off street parking spaces in the

976
01:53:51,918 --> 01:53:51,918
nearby municipal lot as well as 52 on street parking spaces along the corridor to support

977
01:53:58,725 --> 01:53:58,725
the proposed expansion based on availability of these nearby parking resources.

978
01:54:03,563 --> 01:54:03,563
>> the building department recommends approval of the requested shared parking

979
01:54:08,001 --> 01:54:08,001
reduction. I just wanted to read that into the roadmap.

980
01:54:12,439 --> 01:54:14,608
thank you, jeff. You're welcome. Great. Are there any questions from the board on this application or do you know whether the rest

981
01:54:22,181 --> 01:54:22,181
of that march 23rd memo from liz was shared with the applicant?

982
01:54:26,419 --> 01:54:26,419
>> yes, the entire memo was shared. >> so if you have a specific

983
01:54:30,490 --> 01:54:30,490
question I'm just wondering where with with whether they've reviewed it and they can comply

984
01:54:34,494 --> 01:54:34,494
with those requirements. >> right. So we can walk through that

985
01:54:39,666 --> 01:54:39,666
quickly. But there were some other comments that primarily relate

986
01:54:44,804 --> 01:54:44,804
to, you know, building department review and code compliance.

987
01:54:49,142 --> 01:54:49,142
yes. So for instance, the building department provided the

988
01:54:53,514 --> 01:54:53,514
following information or comments. So comm check compliance

989
01:54:58,318 --> 01:54:58,318
documentation submitting a comm check report demonstrating compliance with section c4o

990
01:55:07,661 --> 01:55:07,661
31.1.3 of the 2025 energy conservation construction code of new york state as part of

991
01:55:13,366 --> 01:55:13,366
the building permit application . >> yeah that's part of it.

992
01:55:17,504 --> 01:55:17,504
that's that's that's my actually my architect is the person who's going to be doing

993
01:55:23,744 --> 01:55:27,414
that. Very good. We go through the plans and what he's going to be doing that okay and similarly there are other comments you know

994
01:55:34,220 --> 01:55:34,220
about accessible routes this primary function area access through the storage area is not

995
01:55:39,226 --> 01:55:39,226
permitted and in the if you look into a new set of drawings that I provide about that

996
01:55:46,767 --> 01:55:46,767
comment, I don't know if you still one do you have the other one that I provide my I don't

997
01:55:54,708 --> 01:55:54,708
see the that that storage area has already the separate wall to okay yeah the partition that

998
01:56:03,584 --> 01:56:03,584
we're going to do okay and yeah is I don't see it in this one but we provide that already to

999
01:56:10,524 --> 01:56:10,524
the to the building. >> yeah yeah this one right here it doesn't show the wall

1000
01:56:15,629 --> 01:56:15,629
right there in the back but the other said the drawings that we provide to the city it has to

1001
01:56:22,369 --> 01:56:26,305
one okay so in other words when you walk all the way to the back to the exit of the store you you have a wall in there, there's a wall it's wall to wall and also the storage is

1002
01:56:33,347 --> 01:56:33,347
going to have a door. >> do you have to have determined I mean let me say

1003
01:56:43,457 --> 01:56:43,457
this it we will what we can do because the project is going to require a public hearing.

1004
01:56:49,062 --> 01:56:49,062
yeah. So we'll ensure that we have those plans available to show

1005
01:56:55,502 --> 01:56:55,502
both to the public and to the board as part of the public hearing.

1006
01:56:59,807 --> 01:57:01,408
>> okay. Okay. No problem there beyond that, you know fire alarm that has a horns and a stroke. >> yeah.

1007
01:57:05,313 --> 01:57:05,313
we also I also provide the new set of drawings and with all those alarms and strobes and

1008
01:57:12,586 --> 01:57:12,586
everything that they required then the restroom door clearance compliance, the fire

1009
01:57:16,957 --> 01:57:16,957
resistance requirement. Yes. Or wall penetrations the

1010
01:57:21,295 --> 01:57:21,295
accessible dining services required plumbing fixtures, foreign fixtures separate mep

1011
01:57:27,801 --> 01:57:27,801
permits. Okay. Okay.

1012
01:57:32,005 --> 01:57:35,576
>> we wanted to be sure that you were aware of those and you're prepared to comply. >> yeah. Mr. Bellinger yeah. I have a quick question.

1013
01:57:38,812 --> 01:57:38,812
are you going to expand the kitchen so kitchen's going to remain the same fire

1014
01:57:44,151 --> 01:57:44,151
suppression system in the kitchen will remain the same. Yes.

1015
01:57:51,425 --> 01:57:51,425
the only thing is the seating as we show and the plans want the one on the left is the

1016
01:57:58,532 --> 01:57:58,532
kitchen and the one that is empty is the store that used to be the tailor and that's the

1017
01:58:04,572 --> 01:58:04,572
one we use him for there and he's not going to be no opinions in the kitchen area.

1018
01:58:09,110 --> 01:58:09,110
>> okay. So no fire the fire will be is all prevention ready?

1019
01:58:13,581 --> 01:58:13,581
>> hopefully there'll be no, no, no. >> that was one of the comments

1020
01:58:18,285 --> 01:58:18,285
of the fire department. >> we we we told them that we don't we're going to have any

1021
01:58:23,457 --> 01:58:25,026
opening in the kitchen area. >> okay? Okay. Thank you. >> did you see any any other questions from the board?

1022
01:58:30,330 --> 01:58:32,133
no. No. All right then I will schedule a public hearing for this project for may 20th of this year.

1023
01:58:37,505 --> 01:58:39,306
>> thank you. Great. Thank you very much. I'll get you the notice and the signage that needs to be placed.

1024
01:58:42,509 --> 01:58:44,211
okay. You'll hear from us tomorrow. Thank you. All right. >> have a great evening. Thank you.

1025
01:58:46,814 --> 01:58:46,814
have a good thank you. Thank you for your patience. >> thank you.

1026
01:58:51,385 --> 01:58:51,385
next next up we have case number 2532 donkor at 14 earth stone circle, scarsdale and the

1027
01:59:01,295 --> 01:59:01,295
applicant is seeking a wetland watercourse permit. >> the applicant approach the

1028
01:59:08,637 --> 01:59:08,637
the podium. >> good evening. Good evening.

1029
01:59:15,342 --> 01:59:15,342
>> can you present the application yet? >> so this is a renovation

1030
01:59:24,552 --> 01:59:28,390
project. There's an existing vinyl and a pool and we're proposing putting in ground and a pool in its place. >> let me just pull up the

1031
01:59:32,794 --> 01:59:36,664
drawings before you identify yourself. >> yeah, absolutely. I'm the I work for the pool company. >> my name is henry gonzalez

1032
01:59:39,967 --> 01:59:43,304
and I'm the permit administrator. And of course the name of the pool company pool company is called cool pool. >> okay.

1033
01:59:47,108 --> 01:59:47,108
so here's the drawing which shows the pool e stockpile soil area erosion control measures

1034
01:59:57,818 --> 01:59:57,818
and sit essentially like the construction vehicle or pad for for cleaning off the tires for

1035
02:00:07,161 --> 02:00:07,161
access into the site off the driveway. So this is her.

1036
02:00:11,699 --> 02:00:11,699
so in circle this is the driveway and the access point would come off that it'd be

1037
02:00:17,438 --> 02:00:17,438
protected on both sides and that's how they would enter in to construct the pool.

1038
02:00:24,879 --> 02:00:24,879
there are some stormwater management units that call tech units to handle because there

1039
02:00:31,753 --> 02:00:31,753
is going to be a patio surrounding the pool so they have to accommodate that runoff

1040
02:00:35,957 --> 02:00:35,957
and those contacts are designed to manage how many or storm? >> oh 100.

1041
02:00:45,232 --> 02:00:48,136
we were actually reviewing that in house. Yeah. So let me just pan over to that because matt and I did did look this over.

1042
02:00:54,576 --> 02:00:54,576
bear with me just for a second. >> so the 25 year storm event requires which is a 6.4in

1043
02:01:05,787 --> 02:01:05,787
rainfall over a 24 hour period requires that the units be designed for three, four, 327

1044
02:01:17,031 --> 02:01:17,031
cubic feet required storage. >> the applicant as designed the units to accommodate 351

1045
02:01:24,272 --> 02:01:24,272
cubic feet of storage so they exceed the 25 year storm event. So they they meet to meet and

1046
02:01:33,882 --> 02:01:33,882
exceed. I don't know that it rises to the next storm event which is

1047
02:01:39,521 --> 02:01:39,521
the 50 year but it certainly exceeds the 25 year rate. And does does this application

1048
02:01:44,325 --> 02:01:44,325
require any variances? >> yeah for in permeability. Okay.

1049
02:01:48,863 --> 02:01:51,299
could you walk us through the variances? >> yeah. So the existing is 25% and the proposed is a little over 28% 28.366% which is about 1000ft2

1050
02:02:00,275 --> 02:02:00,275
more right. >> so this was and is there how much of the patio would have to

1051
02:02:08,383 --> 02:02:08,383
be removed for this application to be currently to be compliant or is the patio is the patio

1052
02:02:15,523 --> 02:02:15,523
existing or is the patio being added? >> I think already as her home

1053
02:02:20,695 --> 02:02:24,199
stands she's not in you know I think she bought something that's not in oh it's already over. >> yeah she has a really big front driveway that takes up a

1054
02:02:30,972 --> 02:02:30,972
lot of square and if you guys kind of the 20 8% proposed and 25% permitted I'm going to see

1055
02:02:37,578 --> 02:02:37,578
if we can pull up what exists. So I'm just going to look at that real quick.

1056
02:02:43,151 --> 02:02:43,151
okay. >> so the memo doesn't indicate I mean just see if the

1057
02:02:55,063 --> 02:02:55,063
application do on the cover memo on number nine on page four at the last sentence talks

1058
02:03:05,840 --> 02:03:05,840
about the variance from 25% to 28 point three. >> correct.

1059
02:03:10,145 --> 02:03:10,145
but it doesn't indicate the what the existing coverage or impervious sorry impervious

1060
02:03:16,585 --> 02:03:20,522
coverage is. I'm just going to try and look that up. >> and matt, if you know offhand, feel free. I guess the question is is you

1061
02:03:24,292 --> 02:03:24,292
know and I do think it'd be relevant if the property as it exists is is not compliant with

1062
02:03:32,367 --> 02:03:32,367
the code or if it's if you were to the very end there and yes, so it exists at 26.33 which is

1063
02:03:38,807 --> 02:03:38,807
just so it's already it's already not code compliant and this is adding so if it's

1064
02:03:46,615 --> 02:03:46,615
currently 26 and it's going to 28 and just adding about 2% correct that but but no no

1065
02:03:53,455 --> 02:03:53,455
amount of the patio being scaled back would would bring it into compliance.

1066
02:04:01,063 --> 02:04:04,566
>> correct. Okay. So are there any other questions from the board? Could could you use pervious stones on the patio?

1067
02:04:12,274 --> 02:04:12,274
I know the customer would like to use marble if there's a system that exists that your

1068
02:04:21,149 --> 02:04:21,149
township approves as permeable and so so we don't actually permit permeable surface to

1069
02:04:27,422 --> 02:04:27,422
apply it would not you can't bring that percentage down it would still be calculated at

1070
02:04:33,995 --> 02:04:33,995
28.36 but nevertheless it would have the effect. >> so maybe this board tonight

1071
02:04:41,570 --> 02:04:41,570
could can potentially consider issuing a recommendation to the zoning board and then

1072
02:04:49,077 --> 02:04:49,077
ultimately come back. But if there is a marble surface that is porous, you

1073
02:04:58,954 --> 02:04:58,954
know that may be something that the board recommends for you to consider and look into as you

1074
02:05:04,259 --> 02:05:04,259
move into the zoning variance and it wouldn't change your need to seek a variance but it

1075
02:05:11,367 --> 02:05:11,367
would make it more favorable make it more favorable just from an impact perspective.

1076
02:05:18,373 --> 02:05:18,373
>> are there any other questions from the board so we have an opportunity to make a

1077
02:05:25,881 --> 02:05:25,881
recommendation to the zba on this variance. My my instinct is that this is

1078
02:05:32,521 --> 02:05:32,521
a classic neutral recommendation especially considering that no amount of

1079
02:05:37,393 --> 02:05:37,393
reduction would would bring this into compliance and the site is is not code compliant

1080
02:05:45,201 --> 02:05:45,201
as it currently exists. >> so everyone everyone agrees so then I will entertain a

1081
02:05:52,174 --> 02:05:52,174
motion to direct staff to prepare a recommendation to the zba for a neutral

1082
02:05:56,979 --> 02:05:56,979
recommendation on the one variance. >> can we put something in

1083
02:06:01,484 --> 02:06:01,484
there about those surface? >> yeah about encouraging permeable surface.

1084
02:06:08,190 --> 02:06:08,190
yeah yeah we can certainly do that if it's the board's desire.

1085
02:06:12,227 --> 02:06:12,227
>> yes please. So I will entertain a motion. >> so move, move.

1086
02:06:16,265 --> 02:06:16,265
mr. Killinger, may I? Oh, the surface as it exists has no perimeter drain to it.

1087
02:06:26,175 --> 02:06:29,879
right. And so what you have currently is running off as you guys know not you know, not into it perimeter drain. And so if we're proposing a

1088
02:06:35,318 --> 02:06:35,318
marble surface it would almost seem as though it would be beneficial because it would

1089
02:06:42,825 --> 02:06:46,428
direct the water to a cold chamber which is I think better. >> I'm not you know, I'm not an expert on the subject but we're not disagreeing with that part.

1090
02:06:49,998 --> 02:06:49,998
>> but the concern we have is that if you can look into something still the marble that

1091
02:07:00,709 --> 02:07:00,709
can potentially absorb some of the water in addition to the cold tech that's what we're

1092
02:07:06,181 --> 02:07:06,181
asking for. So the way it is right now everything just runs off.

1093
02:07:10,352 --> 02:07:10,352
you are adding the cold tech thank you very much. But if you could look into

1094
02:07:15,290 --> 02:07:15,290
something that is a little more uh that can be penetrate as far as the water flow that would be

1095
02:07:22,498 --> 02:07:22,498
helpful and we're not we're not mandating impermeable surface. >> we're just encouraging you

1096
02:07:27,169 --> 02:07:27,169
to inquiry investigate it. Okay, great. >> is this next to a wetlands

1097
02:07:34,410 --> 02:07:34,410
buffer? Is this wetlands buffer? No, it's a watercourse.

1098
02:07:38,681 --> 02:07:38,681
it's a watercourse and are there any plans to protect that watercourse during the dirt

1099
02:07:45,621 --> 02:07:49,591
instructing the pool could you point out the watercourse on the plans? >> yeah. >> so yeah, the whole job is basically within the you know

1100
02:07:56,332 --> 02:08:00,169
within the 100 foot buffer, right? >> so if you see on the drawing here denoted as a brook and it's running along the side yard here and during the course

1101
02:08:08,377 --> 02:08:08,377
of construction they have the silt fence wrapping the entire area so that the water source

1102
02:08:15,418 --> 02:08:15,418
is protected during the course of work and they won't be working outside of everything

1103
02:08:19,923 --> 02:08:23,493
would be contained within this silt area, right? Yeah. Including their including their access you know into the property off the driveway not

1104
02:08:33,302 --> 02:08:33,302
make a comment. Town planner britton did you have a comment?

1105
02:08:43,680 --> 02:08:43,680
no sorry. The owner of the site sent the chair in the zoom meeting

1106
02:08:52,321 --> 02:08:52,321
asking how he was not compliant and he's he's got it. Thank you.

1107
02:08:57,760 --> 02:08:59,429
all right. So then we'll let's try this again. So I will entertain a motion to direct staff to draft a neutral recommendation to the zba on

1108
02:09:08,537 --> 02:09:08,537
the one area variance including language about encouraging the applicant to investigate

1109
02:09:13,676 --> 02:09:13,676
permeable surface options for the patio. So moved moved mr. Weinberg

1110
02:09:21,017 --> 02:09:21,017
second second mr. Bellenger on favor I chair votes I thank you thank you.

1111
02:09:26,523 --> 02:09:26,523
>> yeah. All right we doing a long time okay next up we have case

1112
02:09:33,629 --> 02:09:33,629
number 2507 zamudio 32 central park avenue north po hartsdale the applicant is seeking a site

1113
02:09:43,707 --> 02:09:43,707
plan a planning board steep permit, a tree removal permit and a landscape buffer waivers

1114
02:09:48,711 --> 02:09:48,711
request. >> good evening again. Good evening again.

1115
02:09:52,782 --> 02:09:52,782
mr. Yes I'm not here of my architects not here tonight but as much as I can I could answer

1116
02:10:00,957 --> 02:10:00,957
two questions. >> um yeah so I'm just going to pull up the plan and if you

1117
02:10:08,765 --> 02:10:08,765
could walk the board through the proposal that would be helpful.

1118
02:10:12,903 --> 02:10:12,903
>> I can assist with I mean it is I mean for the last year we've been working with with

1119
02:10:20,143 --> 02:10:20,143
arron and his department. >> um, we fixed all the comments we've been making

1120
02:10:27,684 --> 02:10:27,684
through the year. >> I actually I have I don't know if you the members of the

1121
02:10:31,889 --> 02:10:31,889
board so the that they were here a year ago I don't know if you do well some of us

1122
02:10:37,861 --> 02:10:37,861
somewhere some yeah I think somewhere go ahead that's the plan yeah we should send out

1123
02:10:43,333 --> 02:10:43,333
the recording from that last meeting. Yeah we can do it so mrs.

1124
02:10:52,142 --> 02:10:52,142
amodeo, if you could just speak to well mr. Tomorrow's pulling out the model just about what's

1125
02:11:01,284 --> 02:11:04,988
in vision for the site because right now it's just a blank slate. >> it's an empty parcel of land right now 32 north central. And our vision is five small

1126
02:11:14,398 --> 02:11:14,398
shops and I mean basically we've already changed the the plans through the year trying

1127
02:11:26,376 --> 02:11:26,376
to uh accommodate with all the comments that we've been here through the whole year this is

1128
02:11:34,717 --> 02:11:34,717
now and instead of ten is to have parking spaces before the west end for that we came to to

1129
02:11:40,457 --> 02:11:40,457
the meeting and the solar panels I mean we did through the whole year so many changes

1130
02:11:47,698 --> 02:11:47,698
but yeah so let me just fill in a few of the blanks. So the project does involve a

1131
02:11:58,542 --> 02:11:58,542
site plan planning board steep permit because there are some slopes into this site rising up

1132
02:12:05,983 --> 02:12:05,983
from central park avenue to the property to the rear as well as tree removal permit application

1133
02:12:13,424 --> 02:12:15,759
. There are a few trees over the years that have grown to the size of meeting the regulated regulations of the town and then there are landscape buffer

1134
02:12:22,966 --> 02:12:22,966
waivers requested by the applicant in connection with the proposal which is to

1135
02:12:29,340 --> 02:12:29,340
construct a new multi-tenant commercial building on this vacant lot as was mentioned,

1136
02:12:35,646 --> 02:12:35,646
the building as noted would be split into five separate tenants spaces in total

1137
02:12:40,150 --> 02:12:40,150
approximately 4116ft2 of gross floor area. >> the building as designed

1138
02:12:50,427 --> 02:12:50,427
would require or requires 27 off street parking spaces and the applicant has prepared the

1139
02:12:55,633 --> 02:12:55,633
plans as they mentioned to provide for 12 off street parking spaces and they've

1140
02:13:02,739 --> 02:13:02,739
prepared an analysis of off site parking availability within the vicinity of the

1141
02:13:07,511 --> 02:13:07,511
site. The applicant, as mentioned is now as part of the review

1142
02:13:15,186 --> 02:13:19,056
process with not only initial comments issued by the planning board but also and will distribute the meet the video link to the prior meeting that the board had on this

1143
02:13:26,296 --> 02:13:30,034
application. >> but the applicant now proposes to install sole solar panels on the roof of the proposed building. As I mentioned there is steep

1144
02:13:35,004 --> 02:13:35,004
disturbance. There's going to be approximately 1500 cubic yards

1145
02:13:41,144 --> 02:13:41,144
of excavation because it does up from the road. >> they would be putting in a

1146
02:13:46,049 --> 02:13:46,049
retaining wall on essentially three sides of the property the the north, the south and the

1147
02:13:53,257 --> 02:13:53,257
east. The building inspector there's no important fill coming on to

1148
02:14:00,798 --> 02:14:00,798
the site at all and export in terms of variances. The building inspector

1149
02:14:06,637 --> 02:14:06,637
identified a total of 16 variances required in connection with the project.

1150
02:14:15,145 --> 02:14:15,145
in a memorandum dated april 21st 2026 and also identified that landscape buffer waivers

1151
02:14:22,220 --> 02:14:22,220
would be required from the planning board for the side yard both side yards and the

1152
02:14:30,527 --> 02:14:30,527
rear yard as well as a landscape buffer between residential and nonresidential

1153
02:14:34,698 --> 02:14:34,698
uses. So this being a nonresidential use and then to the rear is a

1154
02:14:39,871 --> 02:14:39,871
residential use coincidentally the residential use to the rear is the applicant's single

1155
02:14:45,977 --> 02:14:45,977
family home. >> this and I actually had a quick question about that was

1156
02:14:52,950 --> 02:14:52,950
were these two properties at some point combined and were they later subdivided?

1157
02:14:58,356 --> 02:14:58,356
yes. And when did that subdivision occur and like in 2010 or 11

1158
02:15:05,563 --> 02:15:05,563
something that was requested that was before you built the home?

1159
02:15:09,634 --> 02:15:09,634
>> correct. Or is it? >> I think I did I think it was

1160
02:15:14,939 --> 02:15:17,909
after years. Okay. >> it was after and I guess what was was the house approvede lot. >> yes.

1161
02:15:24,526 --> 02:15:24,526
requirements that was one of the requirements a lot and now the subdivision and basically

1162
02:15:29,865 --> 02:15:29,865
backed out of yeah they we don't they don't give the subdivision if you the house

1163
02:15:38,040 --> 02:15:38,040
don't have the yeah right so they had to show as part of the subdivision that the house

1164
02:15:42,177 --> 02:15:42,177
would meet comply with comply with the lot if it was subdivided okay which they were

1165
02:15:47,082 --> 02:15:47,082
able to do so also so this lot didn't apply to the lot and bulk requirements of the house

1166
02:15:54,323 --> 02:15:54,323
and then was later subdivided right yeah so the value and after that we we intend to do a

1167
02:16:01,231 --> 02:16:01,231
medical offices there and we got a proof of that a few years ago but we couldn't go through

1168
02:16:09,304 --> 02:16:09,304
because of covid and of what happened at the time but right now this is the project that we

1169
02:16:16,945 --> 02:16:20,116
try to see if we can go through it. >> and are you familiar with and perhaps mr. Weinberg as a member of the committee can share some perspective but are

1170
02:16:24,721 --> 02:16:24,721
you familiar with the ongoing four corners rezoning study? >> yes.

1171
02:16:32,862 --> 02:16:32,862
yes. This this actually would try to, you know, come together

1172
02:16:37,032 --> 02:16:37,032
with the what is planned for four corners but I mean for the last time that we discussed

1173
02:16:47,176 --> 02:16:47,176
four corners what, like five, six years ago and again they coming back to see if they can

1174
02:16:51,480 --> 02:16:51,480
do something with four corners so hopefully our project will be one of the first four four

1175
02:16:57,186 --> 02:17:00,323
corners. >> okay. I also have some comments I believe was for the law department something that do you have any of that?

1176
02:17:07,329 --> 02:17:07,329
I'm not sure what they're talking about but no, no, no. >> it was just a comment but it

1177
02:17:13,603 --> 02:17:13,603
it was maybe not related with the construction. I don't know what it was.

1178
02:17:18,274 --> 02:17:18,274
deputy commissioner schmidt for the edification of the board, could you give us a high level

1179
02:17:23,245 --> 02:17:23,245
overview of sort of what the four corners committee is currently studying and how how

1180
02:17:27,751 --> 02:17:27,751
this might fit into the vision of that committee? Yes.

1181
02:17:34,390 --> 02:17:34,390
so and mr. Weinberg can certainly fill in any blanks um just in light of the fact that

1182
02:17:39,395 --> 02:17:42,999
we do have another application, I'm going to move through this quickly and then just for the boards information from a procedural standpoint being that there is site plan and

1183
02:17:50,306 --> 02:17:50,306
other approvals required through the planning board but then a number of variance is

1184
02:17:55,111 --> 02:17:55,111
required by the zoning board. >> the project does qualifies unless that action so from a

1185
02:18:01,885 --> 02:18:01,885
seeker standpoint it's recommended that the board consider carrying out a

1186
02:18:06,656 --> 02:18:06,656
coordinate aided review with the zoning board when when that is the route that's taken and

1187
02:18:14,264 --> 02:18:14,264
there are two agencies, two or more agencies involved one of the agencies seeks to be the

1188
02:18:20,603 --> 02:18:20,603
lead agency to carry out all environmental reviews with respect to the project and then

1189
02:18:26,409 --> 02:18:29,412
that's distributed to the other agencies. It's recommended in this project due to the approvals before required before the planning board that the

1190
02:18:35,785 --> 02:18:35,785
planning board declare its intent to serve as lead agency .

1191
02:18:40,757 --> 02:18:40,757
if that's actions taken tonight staff would distribute the planning board's notice of

1192
02:18:45,128 --> 02:18:45,128
intent to the other agencies. There would be a 30 day window for any objections and then

1193
02:18:52,635 --> 02:18:52,635
this project would come back before the board for another full on work session to really

1194
02:18:57,240 --> 02:18:57,240
dive into it given that we're a little pressed for time tonight.

1195
02:19:01,511 --> 02:19:05,248
>> so I just wanted to touch on that with yeah. So just to give everyone a little bit of comfort that we're not trying to just speed through this here tonight.

1196
02:19:09,052 --> 02:19:09,052
we'll certainly be back before. >> so with respect to the four corners I did have a brief

1197
02:19:15,392 --> 02:19:19,362
meeting with commissioner you came this afternoon and he gave me some slides. The area outlined in red on the attachment is the four corners study area.

1198
02:19:26,836 --> 02:19:26,836
the parcel that this board is looking at in connection with this project is one of the

1199
02:19:34,544 --> 02:19:34,544
perimeter properties which is right down here on the right hand side of the screen it is

1200
02:19:40,651 --> 02:19:40,651
this 10,001 10,019 square foot parcel. Okay.

1201
02:19:44,854 --> 02:19:44,854
so right on the periphery of the study area for the four corners draft overlay zoning in

1202
02:19:53,830 --> 02:19:53,830
connection with what is currently proposed there are three tiers and basically

1203
02:20:02,038 --> 02:20:02,038
that's broken down into the minimums square footage required for development under

1204
02:20:07,010 --> 02:20:07,010
the proposed overlay zone the lowest tier or tier one requires a minimum of 16,000ft2

1205
02:20:16,954 --> 02:20:16,954
as currently envisioned and proposed. This therefore this lot on its

1206
02:20:22,058 --> 02:20:22,058
own which is a hair over 10,000ft2 would not meet this minimum and therefore in order

1207
02:20:29,399 --> 02:20:29,399
to develop under the overlay zone I would likely have to combine with an adjacent parcel

1208
02:20:33,669 --> 02:20:33,669
in order to meet that and we'll get to that quickly. So I just wanted the board to

1209
02:20:38,675 --> 02:20:38,675
understand that this parcel on its own would not meet the minimum requirements and there

1210
02:20:44,280 --> 02:20:47,650
are some other parcels. >> this isn't one outlier parcel. >> we'll speak to that briefly so just showing that tier one as as identified minimum lot

1211
02:20:55,258 --> 02:20:55,258
area of 16,000ft2 we identify parcels and there happens to be the next door parcel that's

1212
02:21:02,598 --> 02:21:02,598
also undersized that parcel is developed okay that's 7800 and square feet and change.

1213
02:21:09,306 --> 02:21:09,306
there are other parcels on the northerly side that are also under the 16,000ft2 and then

1214
02:21:16,881 --> 02:21:16,881
there's some other parcels scattered throughout the study area that do not quite meet the

1215
02:21:23,754 --> 02:21:23,754
minimum lot size. However um oh the other thing it does stay on here and we can

1216
02:21:32,596 --> 02:21:36,300
get into a little more detail on this at a future time but indicates that there are four sites that can opt in okay and those are in the yellow this 19,602 the 26 572 the 77

1217
02:21:46,876 --> 02:21:46,876
thousand 972 and the 2429 the reason why the the parcels that have the brown shading on them

1218
02:21:57,454 --> 02:21:57,454
are not included is because they're envisioned for more dense development in a higher

1219
02:22:04,962 --> 02:22:04,962
tier through likely consolidation of lots so it's envisioned to be most dense and

1220
02:22:12,336 --> 02:22:12,336
most stories in the most max build out right at the four corners and then as it as you

1221
02:22:18,475 --> 02:22:18,475
spread out from the four corners less dense, less height things of that nature that's

1222
02:22:24,515 --> 02:22:24,515
what's envisioned in terms of the tier one four stories this what this graphic depicts is if

1223
02:22:34,758 --> 02:22:34,758
parcels were combined they could meet the minimum requirement of 16,000ft2.

1224
02:22:41,098 --> 02:22:41,098
so I mentioned the two parcels on the northern side were ten and 15 roughly.

1225
02:22:47,972 --> 02:22:47,972
if they were combined together they would hit that 25 to 65 and then meet the minimum lot

1226
02:22:54,745 --> 02:22:54,745
area for tier one. Similarly the applicant's property at roughly 10,000ft2

1227
02:22:59,283 --> 02:22:59,283
and its neighboring property at 7800 or so if they happen to be combined to the 1760 they would

1228
02:23:07,391 --> 02:23:07,391
meet the minimum lot size requirement of 16,000ft2 for the tier one which would permit

1229
02:23:16,500 --> 02:23:16,500
up to four storeys with the fourth fourth storey recessed so that you don't have that

1230
02:23:23,841 --> 02:23:23,841
impact on the jason properties that are outside the the study area.

1231
02:23:31,248 --> 02:23:31,248
okay. And basically you would uh through this combination of of

1232
02:23:39,156 --> 02:23:39,156
properties that are undersized you could increase the potential development of

1233
02:23:43,393 --> 02:23:43,393
parcels from four which were previously outlined up to eight sites.

1234
02:23:48,065 --> 02:23:48,065
>> okay. Um I'm going to brief breezed through this this was a

1235
02:23:55,005 --> 02:23:55,005
conceptual rendering. Okay so actually to the left is heading north and to the right

1236
02:24:01,879 --> 02:24:01,879
is heading south along central park avenue east towards dale going down to the train station

1237
02:24:06,784 --> 02:24:06,784
is in this direction and then west hartsdale up the hill and into the adjacent community is

1238
02:24:11,021 --> 02:24:11,021
down a page down the parcel that we are reviewing under this application is this

1239
02:24:18,429 --> 02:24:18,429
undeveloped parcel shown with my cursor and some trees on. >> okay.

1240
02:24:23,868 --> 02:24:23,868
hope that was helpful. >> I know it was a speedy review but mr. Weinberg if you

1241
02:24:31,242 --> 02:24:31,242
have anything to add to it just briefly when aaron mentions an overlay overlay district you

1242
02:24:38,049 --> 02:24:38,049
would have to opt in so you elected not to opt in by you know, joining with the

1243
02:24:45,889 --> 02:24:45,889
adjoining property so you're over 16,000ft2. Yeah your zoning stays the same

1244
02:24:52,229 --> 02:24:54,331
. You know none of this would apply to you unless you affirmatively opt in to this overlay plan and that's okay. Have you had any conversations

1245
02:25:01,872 --> 02:25:01,872
with your adjacent neighbor about joining forces or no really he's really he has I

1246
02:25:09,213 --> 02:25:09,213
believe three stores and they they have invited so I ask him and I believe they he has a

1247
02:25:17,688 --> 02:25:17,688
phone number and he told me he has a contract for the next few years so basically what I want

1248
02:25:24,128 --> 02:25:24,128
to do with this project is just to do just one store for two small stores for for that

1249
02:25:30,668 --> 02:25:30,668
corner that is coming up if I join him I had to build maybe four I can build four stores

1250
02:25:36,006 --> 02:25:36,006
but that's not my intentions. But I know I said we just want to, you know, help the

1251
02:25:40,378 --> 02:25:40,378
community for this small stores that if they do all their construction based on size and

1252
02:25:46,584 --> 02:25:46,584
setbacks these little stores in that section might disappear because I don't think the the

1253
02:25:53,591 --> 02:25:53,591
builder who's going to do those dwellings he's going to just bully the stores and the bottom

1254
02:25:58,829 --> 02:25:58,829
he might going to be just one big store or maybe a restaurant or something.

1255
02:26:03,234 --> 02:26:03,234
>> but this little store is basically for the community that is in castle avenue like

1256
02:26:07,872 --> 02:26:07,872
you know small and do you have you been in contact with any potential tenants or is this on

1257
02:26:15,512 --> 02:26:16,948
? >> yes. Okay. Yes, I did. Yeah, I have a used to be dunkin donuts across the street

1258
02:26:22,854 --> 02:26:24,856
and now he's in the in the south side. Yeah. And I mentioned him I he likes the location because he says that he will actually traffic

1259
02:26:30,127 --> 02:26:30,127
going to white plains so he would like to have he would like to look at it once I get a

1260
02:26:35,166 --> 02:26:35,166
proof at this point he told me he's interested in okay I have another person that is

1261
02:26:42,073 --> 02:26:42,073
interested but again everything is based on approval is on okay, sure.

1262
02:26:47,177 --> 02:26:50,948
>> and have you submitted to the zba yet or are you waiting to submit to the zoning board for the for the variance? >> yes, yes, yes we did that. No, I won't be somebody I know

1263
02:26:57,154 --> 02:26:57,154
you've worked with miss jones on the application but I don't know if you formally submitted.

1264
02:27:02,060 --> 02:27:02,060
>> you mean the four do so in connection so you previously on the former application went to

1265
02:27:10,134 --> 02:27:10,134
the zoning board and were successful. Yes.

1266
02:27:14,138 --> 02:27:14,138
in obtaining you know, multiple variances. Now under this proposal you

1267
02:27:20,311 --> 02:27:20,311
require a number of variance. Yes as well and I know you've spoken with miss jones, the

1268
02:27:24,983 --> 02:27:24,983
secretary of the zoning board but I was not 100% sure if you filed the paperwork yet.

1269
02:27:32,858 --> 02:27:36,728
okay. So that's something that you'd be working on. That's something that I believe market that would know better than me. >> and the point is if if we as deputy commissioner schmidt mentioned, we'll have to vote

1270
02:27:43,334 --> 02:27:43,334
to consider this evening or one vote to consider to be lead agency we won't make

1271
02:27:48,106 --> 02:27:48,106
recommendations on the variances this evening but because you haven't submitted

1272
02:27:52,744 --> 02:27:56,414
to the zba yet if we wait until the next meeting to make those recommendations that wouldn't delay your your process to go in front of the tva. >> oh okay.

1273
02:28:03,922 --> 02:28:06,758
so that was just first for the board's information we would encourage you to work with your architect. The filing deadline is always the 15th of the month.

1274
02:28:11,295 --> 02:28:14,666
so I mean that's coming up quickly. It might take some time and there is you can't just drop off the sets on the 15th. You have to have a

1275
02:28:21,973 --> 02:28:21,973
pre-submission review with miss jones if you can reach out to our office tomorrow, we'll walk

1276
02:28:25,978 --> 02:28:25,978
you through that. So you may or may not hit the 15th of may.

1277
02:28:30,048 --> 02:28:30,048
if you don't that's okay. You would probably hit the 15th of june and then potentially be

1278
02:28:36,455 --> 02:28:39,924
on in july with the zoning board that would give this board some additional time. Clearly there's a 30 day window if the board declares its intent to serve as lead agency

1279
02:28:46,932 --> 02:28:46,932
following tonight, then we would have you back go into much more depth of this plan

1280
02:28:51,336 --> 02:28:55,306
with your architect present because we didn't even talk about stormwater management or manscaping of that nature. So we'll continue to work with you and feel free to reach out

1281
02:29:02,081 --> 02:29:02,081
to us tomorrow, okay? >> okay great. >> then I will entertain a

1282
02:29:06,785 --> 02:29:06,785
motion to declare the planning board's intent to serve as lead agency or secret review of this

1283
02:29:13,925 --> 02:29:17,663
project. >> mr. Philander so second ms. Robinson all in favor? I chair votes. >> I thank you. Have a good evening and we'll

1284
02:29:24,870 --> 02:29:24,870
we'll coordinate with staff on on when we'll schedule you to return.

1285
02:29:29,674 --> 02:29:29,674
>> yeah thank you. The last case of the evening case number pb 1526 neurol girl

1286
02:29:36,414 --> 02:29:36,414
at 14 castle lock pond scarsdale the applicant is seeking a preliminary

1287
02:29:43,622 --> 02:29:43,622
subdivision, a planning board, steep permit and a tree removal permit.

1288
02:29:48,093 --> 02:29:51,997
>> thank you for your for your patience this evening and good evening. >> good evening. How could I share my screen? >> sure I'll take down mine

1289
02:29:57,069 --> 02:30:00,573
only just because I have no swimming pool to get through things. >> are you in the zoom? Yes. Okay.

1290
02:30:02,274 --> 02:30:02,274
sure. Go for it to to save time while he's doing that.

1291
02:30:18,124 --> 02:30:21,393
>> yeah. Please just turn on this architect and if you can just speaking to the microphone j.b hernandez architect for the project chris isaac engineer

1292
02:30:27,999 --> 02:30:27,999
this project has been around for a while and we've been working with the staff for a

1293
02:30:35,441 --> 02:30:35,441
while now. It's a 2.26 acre of castle walk on four hill road of four, hill

1294
02:30:43,615 --> 02:30:43,615
road is an r 20 sony district and we were trying to create three lots bulk regulations

1295
02:30:52,057 --> 02:30:52,057
compliance all of it and we can talk about engineering. Yeah.

1296
02:31:00,098 --> 02:31:00,098
okay. Thank you chairman members of the board chris I I'm the civil

1297
02:31:06,104 --> 02:31:06,104
engineer for the project. I took it over about a year ago from parvati who started it and

1298
02:31:10,843 --> 02:31:10,843
and got to this point so but I feel pretty well versed in it so just I thought maybe we'd

1299
02:31:18,084 --> 02:31:18,084
start talking about the property itself a little bit so the property is bordered by on

1300
02:31:25,523 --> 02:31:25,523
the bottom part of the property the easterly side by our commercial property.

1301
02:31:29,895 --> 02:31:29,895
that property front on central avenue. So basically to orient you

1302
02:31:34,066 --> 02:31:34,066
central avenue runs basically parallel with the bottom of the paper that property that wraps

1303
02:31:40,572 --> 02:31:40,572
around to the southerly portion of our property so we're basically bordered to the south

1304
02:31:45,477 --> 02:31:45,477
and to the east by a commercial property above us are three residential properties that sit

1305
02:31:52,318 --> 02:31:52,318
up basically on a plateau above this property basically come off of that road the property

1306
02:32:00,526 --> 02:32:00,526
line there's a down to our property and then our property slopes towards central avenue.

1307
02:32:04,630 --> 02:32:04,630
so all the drainage slopes towards central avenue there is an existing right of way which

1308
02:32:09,568 --> 02:32:09,568
I highlighted in yellow that goes through this property and then feeds down into the

1309
02:32:18,511 --> 02:32:18,511
commercial property and you could see at the bottom of the sheet I highlighted green that

1310
02:32:25,017 --> 02:32:25,017
is an existing sewer that we're going to connect to. So our designs will tie into

1311
02:32:31,089 --> 02:32:31,089
that. There's also the yellow line that's on here is an existing

1312
02:32:35,928 --> 02:32:35,928
drainage line which we also utilize. >> the property was occupied by

1313
02:32:44,604 --> 02:32:44,604
a very large existing house that has been removed. The existing driveway on the

1314
02:32:48,873 --> 02:32:48,873
property still remains. When was the house removed? Almost 20 years ago.

1315
02:32:58,384 --> 02:32:58,384
yeah. Yeah I remember I was here. Is it really?

1316
02:33:03,589 --> 02:33:07,260
I'm not honestly I don't know at least I don't think it was that long because the survey shows that the earliest and it was it was demolished quite a bit before this application was

1317
02:33:18,170 --> 02:33:18,170
made and 2015 was the time it was time flies it on uninhabitable or off as it

1318
02:33:24,209 --> 02:33:26,112
turned out it was in pretty poor condition. >> yeah. At the time I recall being able to say okay so as you know it's a three lot subdivision that

1319
02:33:36,255 --> 02:33:36,255
we're proposing. All of it is called compliant as far as dimensional standards

1320
02:33:42,929 --> 02:33:42,929
. We're planning on accessing it with about a 500 foot town to

1321
02:33:48,667 --> 02:33:48,667
be dedicated town right of way with a town design road. So it's got a 26 foot wide car

1322
02:33:55,942 --> 02:33:59,879
way with sewer water and storm. So everything the town standards that gets dedicated to the town the stormwater system which resulted will reside on one of the lots as

1323
02:34:04,584 --> 02:34:04,584
far as the retention system goes that'll be kept to be maintained by the nature way

1324
02:34:13,526 --> 02:34:13,526
that will be for the for the three lots for maintenance in the future as far as utilities

1325
02:34:18,831 --> 02:34:18,831
I highlighted in blue where connected to the existing main just off from the property

1326
02:34:26,939 --> 02:34:26,939
bringing that down through to the end of the cul de sac we're adding two hydrants along with

1327
02:34:31,477 --> 02:34:31,477
that the sewer is a fairly simple system. I highlighted that in green

1328
02:34:38,118 --> 02:34:38,118
there's a three manholes. >> it picks up each of the lots and then that comes down to

1329
02:34:42,488 --> 02:34:42,488
this existing right of way and the down the right of way to the existing sewer mantel down

1330
02:34:47,927 --> 02:34:47,927
down the hill the storm drainage design for the hundred year storm we designed it so

1331
02:34:53,933 --> 02:34:53,933
that each of the lots were each lot is 100 years yeah each so we decided as four different

1332
02:35:04,810 --> 02:35:04,810
elements to each lot independently and then the right away independently all of

1333
02:35:10,015 --> 02:35:13,420
it is designed for the whole year long all of it. >> okay thank you all impervious surfaces are being directed to infiltration systems the infiltration system

1334
02:35:20,326 --> 02:35:20,326
and just prior to the infiltration. So we have a filter system to

1335
02:35:24,463 --> 02:35:27,667
each of the infiltration system. So we go we collect we pipe it to the filter from the filter at the infiltration systems so each of the lots of a separate

1336
02:35:33,106 --> 02:35:33,106
infiltration system our lots we labeled abc working from the right to left of it from the

1337
02:35:40,447 --> 02:35:40,447
left to the right. So so at the end of the cul de sac that lot had ten cold type

1338
02:35:46,318 --> 02:35:46,318
three 30s with a filter the next log over b has five and a filter and c so similarly we

1339
02:35:57,896 --> 02:35:57,896
basically designed the lot to keep the houses as close to the right away as possible but

1340
02:36:03,303 --> 02:36:03,303
still leave us enough room to be able to have the setbacks necessary for the cold tech

1341
02:36:08,308 --> 02:36:08,308
systems and to be able to collect it. And we did that so that we've

1342
02:36:14,147 --> 02:36:17,150
been what is the amount of steep slopes disturbance as far as the road goes? Everything gets collected in a pair of catch basins basically at the low spot which I

1343
02:36:25,124 --> 02:36:25,124
highlight in yellow they run into an infiltration practice with 20 cal tech units and then

1344
02:36:32,264 --> 02:36:32,264
that overflow system comes back and connects to the drainage system in the existing right

1345
02:36:37,670 --> 02:36:37,670
away that goes offsite. So that's the utility system as far as grading goes.

1346
02:36:49,582 --> 02:36:49,582
we designed architecture here that basically fits into the. So basically from the road over

1347
02:36:55,622 --> 02:36:55,622
the goes up so we basically build designed tuck under houses that fit into those

1348
02:37:01,928 --> 02:37:01,928
slopes. We minimize how much yard we had behind.

1349
02:37:06,132 --> 02:37:06,132
we wanted to have some yard for you know, for play areas and so forth basically and then we

1350
02:37:10,737 --> 02:37:10,737
utilize that some walls starting with on lots see we have a two foot eye wall to be

1351
02:37:17,778 --> 02:37:17,778
able to make the grade change a lot be the wall varies from 4 to 8ft behind the house and

1352
02:37:26,620 --> 02:37:26,620
then later we have a basically a small four foot high wall and again all those are just to be

1353
02:37:31,258 --> 02:37:31,258
able to minimize how much we're going into the steep slopes as far as the road goes, the road

1354
02:37:38,598 --> 02:37:38,598
comes off of our from our existing connection out about a 10% but then transitions to

1355
02:37:44,505 --> 02:37:44,505
about an 8% to a low spot basically cut out the elbow where the drains are and then

1356
02:37:51,645 --> 02:37:51,645
it's basically flat through the cul de sac and so and so I did have a quick question about you

1357
02:37:55,916 --> 02:37:58,519
mentioned the existing connection. >> so my my I was able to drive by the site earlier this week and from what I was able to observe there's the the town

1358
02:38:05,659 --> 02:38:05,659
road and then it looked like there was a I'd say less less than good condition roadway

1359
02:38:12,666 --> 02:38:12,666
that I think is beyond the the property that's here in front of us.

1360
02:38:17,870 --> 02:38:17,870
and then there's your property . And so if you were to maintain

1361
02:38:22,075 --> 02:38:25,912
if you were to improve the roadway to town standards for what's on the site plan, what would be the plan to connect from I guess your property to the town road that's that's

1362
02:38:32,386 --> 02:38:32,386
paved there's a stretch that your property does in front. Okay.

1363
02:38:39,525 --> 02:38:39,525
we talked about this because that prior application with mr. Hernandez the so castle walk

1364
02:38:47,401 --> 02:38:47,401
comes and then has an elbow and then there's probably a 2 or 300 foot stretch until you get

1365
02:38:55,142 --> 02:38:55,142
to your so we're improving all of that all the way from where basically to where the where

1366
02:39:00,681 --> 02:39:00,681
the chain is across the road that all gets in. >> so you'll improve and I

1367
02:39:05,919 --> 02:39:08,589
guess you have permission from the property owners to improve. >> well that's in the right of way. There's an easement and potentially right away you know

1368
02:39:19,466 --> 02:39:19,466
well our survey call is where I can get clarification is is your proposed cul de sac in

1369
02:39:24,304 --> 02:39:24,304
roadway going to tie all the way in to existing castle walk or will it stub out because

1370
02:39:32,346 --> 02:39:32,346
then we start so so if you keep the upper basically yeah you see my cursor right there.

1371
02:39:43,457 --> 02:39:47,428
yeah yeah so that's that's the intention is that's where the end of the existing improved castle walk is and we're picking up improvements at that point right so this area just

1372
02:39:51,532 --> 02:39:51,532
beyond where your cursor is is currently unimproved. >> it was approved as part of

1373
02:39:59,507 --> 02:39:59,507
the subdivision and in fact on this plan it says proposed residence you see that?

1374
02:40:06,614 --> 02:40:08,749
yes. To the right of your cursor. This residence was not constructed but this the subdivision was approved because they subdivided off the

1375
02:40:15,323 --> 02:40:15,323
lot just above and in connection with that project they were going to improve this

1376
02:40:20,228 --> 02:40:20,228
driveway undersized roadway and then stub it out right here with the understanding that you

1377
02:40:27,668 --> 02:40:27,668
would then be carrying the improvement all the way. But this section has not been

1378
02:40:35,510 --> 02:40:38,780
improved. >> oh, I apologize. I didn't I didn't realize there was that gap there. >> yeah, that's just the point. Okay.

1379
02:40:42,049 --> 02:40:42,049
so we will have to be aware of the and resolve that. Yeah that's all appreciate that

1380
02:40:46,354 --> 02:40:46,354
we we have to get to the property so of course right right and I don't think you

1381
02:40:52,693 --> 02:40:52,693
guys are going to pay for it so we'll figure it out. >> yeah okay so so that's

1382
02:40:56,931 --> 02:40:56,931
really the grading so the architecture we did all talk gunders to you know to be able

1383
02:41:03,270 --> 02:41:06,207
to get the first floors up as high as possible and work with the grades as much as we possibly can. Basically the road comes in and as best we could basically

1384
02:41:11,445 --> 02:41:11,445
follows grade we do need a retaining wall on the east side of the of the road just because

1385
02:41:19,086 --> 02:41:19,086
there is a fair amount of steep there and we just couldn't touch grade and we had to keep

1386
02:41:25,193 --> 02:41:25,193
basically the front yards at existing grade so that we could utilize that area for

1387
02:41:32,299 --> 02:41:32,299
infiltration practices because there is fairly shallow ledge there.

1388
02:41:38,873 --> 02:41:38,873
so it wasn't like we could drop the grade 5 or 6ft and then keep the wall on the road low.

1389
02:41:45,846 --> 02:41:45,846
we went to be able to use a trailer practices so there was it was a balancing act or

1390
02:41:50,418 --> 02:41:50,418
speaking of infiltration practices it was brought to my attention in passing that there

1391
02:41:57,057 --> 02:41:57,057
are some recently modified regulations. I don't know if it applies

1392
02:42:01,795 --> 02:42:01,795
specifically to this project but if I if I recall correctly previously or in years past

1393
02:42:08,569 --> 02:42:08,569
infiltration system would need to be separated from structures by a minimum of ten feet.

1394
02:42:16,611 --> 02:42:16,611
my understanding is that was recently increased to 25ft if you're not aware of it I am I

1395
02:42:23,084 --> 02:42:23,084
don't know if it applies to this project specifically based on the units or type of system

1396
02:42:27,522 --> 02:42:27,522
you're using but something we wanted to bring to your attention.

1397
02:42:31,592 --> 02:42:31,592
>> okay I've done that's that's a big surprise. Yes.

1398
02:42:37,031 --> 02:42:39,734
I have not heard that new york state has changed that. Yeah. So we can put you in touch with jason coppola, the town engineer.

1399
02:42:42,770 --> 02:42:46,608
>> I actually mentioned it to the town. So with this these plans have been reviewed. I mean I know they've been old and they've got maybe review in

1400
02:42:49,077 --> 02:42:49,077
the past but they've been reviewed by jason and they were correct to go rounds right,

1401
02:42:54,949 --> 02:42:58,286
right. >> so just one is that 25 foot is a local. No, no as I understand it from the state so but I heard it in passing so I just wanted to

1402
02:43:03,691 --> 02:43:03,691
bring it up to make you aware we can you know, we're we want to get through the rest of the

1403
02:43:08,329 --> 02:43:08,329
presentation so I didn't want to trip you up. >> I just want to okay.

1404
02:43:13,101 --> 02:43:13,101
thank you. So regarding steep slopes basically the yellowish areas

1405
02:43:18,773 --> 02:43:18,773
the lightest color are the zero fifteen's the the greens are the 15 to 20 fires.

1406
02:43:26,381 --> 02:43:26,381
the ten or the 25 to 35 and then the blues are 35 and above again we we try to incorporate

1407
02:43:39,227 --> 02:43:39,227
architecture that would minimize that. We tried to utilize retaining

1408
02:43:43,665 --> 02:43:43,665
walls to also minimize how much space that we needed to to utilize and minimize how much

1409
02:43:51,272 --> 02:43:51,272
steep the service that we had with regard to trees. We're proposing to cut down 85

1410
02:44:08,790 --> 02:44:08,790
trees. We had an arborist do a study if you look at his conclusions

1411
02:44:12,861 --> 02:44:12,861
he talks about that many of the trees are in failing health. They've got rot, they've got

1412
02:44:22,470 --> 02:44:25,106
vines over. I've generally if you were out there you know I'm sure you saw a lot of the trees. Yeah. The proposal is to reestablish

1413
02:44:31,411 --> 02:44:31,411
trees through the property. We're actually mitigating at about twice what the code would

1414
02:44:38,286 --> 02:44:38,286
require with 102 trees. So then that's all incorporated in the arbors report.

1415
02:44:45,060 --> 02:44:45,060
so then I do have a question about that. So the report you know your

1416
02:44:49,264 --> 02:44:49,264
plan show 102 trees but your report only shows about 80 eight trees on page 44 through

1417
02:44:56,905 --> 02:44:56,905
46 of your application. >> yeah I passed along that info to mr. Bob macintyre just

1418
02:45:05,313 --> 02:45:08,449
to relay it back to you that there seem to be in it. >> okay we'll get that resolved. The 102 count is right that's on the plan so I don't know if

1419
02:45:12,721 --> 02:45:12,721
the arborist I mean that will only just mean that if he did it on 80 some odd that were

1420
02:45:17,558 --> 02:45:17,558
even well beyond that as far as I think we're almost double what the mitigation is for for

1421
02:45:23,899 --> 02:45:23,899
carbon dioxide and it's hydrology this is the the landscaping plan that you could

1422
02:45:34,843 --> 02:45:34,843
see it's it's fairly intense. >> right? We've spent a lot of time on

1423
02:45:39,548 --> 02:45:40,549
it. Yeah. Okay. So so take any questions. >> so so this is what I would recommend to the board

1424
02:45:47,022 --> 02:45:47,022
considering the late hour we will bring this back for our next meeting and if the board

1425
02:45:54,063 --> 02:45:54,063
can submit questions to deputy commissioner schmidt by say next next wednesday, may 13th

1426
02:46:02,337 --> 02:46:02,337
then we can turn those questions around to the applicant and we can get

1427
02:46:07,342 --> 02:46:11,279
written response will be sent out so that we can stay on track and the board can have all of their questions answered by then by wednesday. Is everyone okay with that?

1428
02:46:16,218 --> 02:46:19,754
yes. Yes. Great. All right. Thank you. Thank you. And I did also just want to remind the board and for those in the in the viewing public

1429
02:46:25,760 --> 02:46:25,760
that are still watching the town board at a meeting last month referred the chapter to

1430
02:46:32,635 --> 02:46:32,635
85 amendments to the planning board. And so at our next meeting we

1431
02:46:37,306 --> 02:46:37,306
will begin receiving presentations from the staff on the 285 proposed changes at the

1432
02:46:46,415 --> 02:46:46,415
next meeting on may 20th we will receive a presentation on the new tr district which will

1433
02:46:51,353 --> 02:46:51,353
replace the urban renewal district as well as the new and 30 district at the may at the

1434
02:46:58,494 --> 02:47:02,364
june 3rd meeting will receive a presentation on workforce housing, the keeping of chickens and cannabis at the june 17th meeting we will receive a presentation on the

1435
02:47:08,470 --> 02:47:08,470
central avenue and d. S district updates the restaurant reclassifications

1436
02:47:13,075 --> 02:47:13,075
and off street parking the june the july 1st meeting will receive a lengthy presentation

1437
02:47:19,682 --> 02:47:19,682
on all of the environmental updates including the cd overlay, the pod and wetland

1438
02:47:27,824 --> 02:47:27,824
disturbance updates and the charging and will begin our discussions on all of the

1439
02:47:35,730 --> 02:47:35,730
amendments with a goal of continuing to work on our recommendation at the july 15th

1440
02:47:41,237 --> 02:47:41,237
meeting and ultimately be in a position to make a recommendation back to the town

1441
02:47:47,042 --> 02:47:47,042
board at our august 5th meeting. So we'll have a we'll have a an

1442
02:47:51,780 --> 02:47:51,780
expedite basis but detailed review of the 285 amendments over the next three months and

1443
02:47:59,822 --> 02:47:59,822
I'm looking forward to receiving the first presentation from staff next

1444
02:48:04,293 --> 02:48:04,293
month and and I would just tack on that the ci the informal side sessions that staff has

1445
02:48:11,901 --> 02:48:11,901
been holding with board members have been productive and we appreciate the board members

1446
02:48:16,205 --> 02:48:16,205
that have been able to do it. Anyone that hasn't met does have time or want to meet with

1447
02:48:21,110 --> 02:48:21,110
us. We've been meeting um on thursdays and or fridays so we

1448
02:48:27,149 --> 02:48:30,819
can there is some flexibility there. Feel free to reach out to staff . Like I said they've been productive and certainly

1449
02:48:32,588 --> 02:48:32,588
appreciate it and I encourage anyone who hasn't hasn't scheduled that yet to do so who

1450
02:48:38,227 --> 02:48:38,227
should we reach out to? >> you can reach out to aaron and aaron will coordinate that

1451
02:48:42,965 --> 02:48:42,965
aaron and aaron and garrett our deputy deputy commissioner schmidt and commissioner

1452
02:48:47,236 --> 02:48:47,236
duquesne. >> all right. So seeing no additional new

1453
02:48:53,509 --> 02:48:53,509
business I will entertain a motion to adjourn the planning board meeting at ten oh 4 p.m.

1454
02:49:00,549 --> 02:49:00,549
so moved moved ms. Robinson second. >> mr. Bellinger all in favor