1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,000 here, it's much shorter than that. 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,760 » Commissioner Kramer. >> Here. 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,920 » Commissioner Gamboa. >> Here. 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:13,040 » Commissioner Kozar Ziki. >> Commissioner Truszkowski. 5 00:00:12,040 --> 00:00:15,120 » Here. >> Commissioner Ouellette. 6 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,000 » Here. >> Uh, 7 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,320 President Szabrowski. >> Here. 8 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:23,560 » Thank you. Uh, looking for approval of minutes of Plan Commission meeting of 9 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:25,640 July 8th, 2026. >> So moved. 10 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:29,440 » Seconded. >> Okay. Any discussion at all? 11 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,400 That's good to me. Uh, let's do a roll call on that. 12 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,920 » Commissioner Ouellette. >> Aye. 13 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,400 » Commissioner Gamboa. >> Aye. 14 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,760 » Commissioner Truszkowski. >> Aye. 15 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,000 » Commissioner Kozar Ziki. >> Aye. 16 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,640 » Commissioner Kramer. >> Aye. 17 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,600 » President Szabrowski. >> Aye. 18 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:46,240 » Thank you. All right. New business item A, PC 19 00:00:44,480 --> 00:00:49,760 2026-24. Discussion and necessary action on 20 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:55,960 application for a site plan, landscape plan, and light plan review submitted by 21 00:00:53,920 --> 00:01:02,680 Cartman for Roosevelt Racquet Club located at 6190 West Loomis Road, 22 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:02,680 Greendale. Tax key number 6-630-468-002. 23 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:09,000 » I will take that one. >> Can I give you just a very brief 24 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:13,320 introduction on this? So, this is This is a modification to a new building 25 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:17,880 in a B3 zoning district. So, one of the requirements from a purely from a zoning 26 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:21,040 standpoint for modification in the B3 zoning district is it has to go through 27 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:26,280 site plan, lighting plan, and landscaping plan. 28 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:31,400 The This is Plan Commission, so the purpose of this of this committee is to 29 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:35,160 recommend approval or denial, and then ultimately the plan will be either 30 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:39,160 approved or denied by the Board of Trustees. So, at the end of this we'll 31 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:43,480 either recommend approval or denial, and then this has to go through the Board of 32 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:47,720 Trustees for final approval or denial. Um, and then this is This is zoning 33 00:01:45,960 --> 00:01:50,880 consideration. So, we have not received a building permit application or 34 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:54,880 building plans yet. This is just the site plan lights uh, lighting plan, 35 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:57,246 landscaping plan review. Please. 36 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,520 » Thanks, Bob. >> [snorts] 37 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:03,160 » Um, all right, so just uh brief summary, the village received 38 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:06,920 an application from Advance Building Corporation on behalf of Roosevelt 39 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:11,656 Racquet Club regarding the property located at 6190 West Loomis Road. The 40 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:14,840 applicant is requesting to construct a [clears throat] new parking lot and 41 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:18,600 commercial recreation facility offering indoor racquet courts for reservations, 42 00:02:16,920 --> 00:02:22,800 lessons, clinics, and league play together with supporting retail, club 43 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:26,880 management, and second floor business office space for SlabStox business 44 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:31,560 operations, a sports trading card information and analysis company. 45 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:35,560 The subject property is zoned B3 general business, and the proposed uses are 46 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:40,480 listed as permitted in the Greendale zoning code. The property is located 47 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:44,640 directly north of Sendik's Fresh 2 Go, and also borders a flood plain near the 48 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:47,840 north and west property lines. The village engineer and village attorney 49 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:51,000 should review the proposed development for compliance with flood plain 50 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:54,320 regulations and any relevant Wisconsin state statutes. 51 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:58,400 After [snorts] review of the site plan and submitted drawings, the proposed 52 00:02:55,880 --> 00:03:02,239 building footprint does meet the FAR and yard requirements. The building 53 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:07,880 elevation drawings show three separate proposed exterior signs, and per section 54 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:12,160 17.21 of the code, signs, awnings, and marquees are permitted. However, the 55 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:16,840 applicant must obtain a sign permit and confirm that all regulations and village 56 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:21,080 ordinances are met prior to installation of the proposed signage. 57 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:25,840 Per section 17.382, the proposed structures should be 58 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:30,800 located to allow for ease of access and entry. So, any any proposed structures 59 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:34,880 should be located to allow for ease of access and entry for occupants and 60 00:03:32,239 --> 00:03:39,440 pedestrians. The proposed bike racks, when loaded, will obstruct the 5-ft 61 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:43,440 proposed sidewalk. Graef recommends relocation or reconfiguration of these 62 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:46,840 bike racks to prevent sidewalk obstruction. So, not required, but 63 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:51,440 recommended. Um compliance of off-street parking and 64 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:54,200 loading has also been considered and was discussed previously by the plan 65 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:59,120 commission but like a couple months ago. 66 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:02,920 Since recreation is the primary use of the subject property, staff feels the 67 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:06,920 recreation uses and employee parking requirements are the appropriate 68 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:10,040 standards to follow to regulate parking. The applicant has provided a project 69 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:15,120 summary including a parking and operations overview that states the two 70 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:19,920 uses are complementary with different peak periods allowing the on-site 71 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:24,120 parking supply to serve the property efficiently throughout the day. 72 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:29,080 The proposed parking area will supply 32 stalls which will serve a maximum of 73 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:33,360 nine employees during daytime hours and during evening hours will serve 18 74 00:04:30,919 --> 00:04:37,400 players, two employees, and a limited number of transitioning patrons. 75 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:40,960 The plan commission should confirm whether the spaces provided are 76 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:46,480 sufficient. Per section 17.383 77 00:04:43,919 --> 00:04:51,680 for a commercial use on a parcel of land greater than 30,000 square feet which 78 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:56,560 this is, a market analysis prepared and signed by an independent market analyst 79 00:04:53,800 --> 00:05:00,200 acceptable to the plan commission may be required. The plan commission shall 80 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:03,360 determine whether this requirement is deemed necessary. 81 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:10,400 Pending further discussion, staff has reviewed the submitted materials and is 82 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:14,040 recommending that the application be approved subject to the following 83 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:17,400 conditions and additional recommendations. 84 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:22,240 One, the plan commission shall determine whether the proposed parking spaces are 85 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:25,600 sufficient. Two, the plan commission shall determine whether a market 86 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:29,880 analysis for the proposed development shall be required. Three, the applicant 87 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:33,880 must obtain a sign permit from the director of inspection services prior to 88 00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:37,760 the installation of any new signage and four, review and approval of the site 89 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:41,200 plan by the village engineer, village attorney, and director of inspection 90 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:44,840 services. Thank you. 91 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:47,400 Let me know if you have any questions. That's a lot. 92 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,800 » Questions? 93 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:59,560 » I I just with the lighting in the back, is there a way to have like a 94 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:05,280 a shield on the back end of the whole so that the neighbors don't get a bright 95 00:06:01,840 --> 00:06:05,280 light in the back or 96 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:17,880 So I'm just wondering if for there is one neighbor that's rather 97 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:21,440 close to this. So I was just wondering how long the how late the lights will be 98 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:24,560 on or you know, how bright is it going to be? 99 00:06:22,840 --> 00:06:28,320 And sometimes I know when the street lights are too bright, they can put a 100 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:32,080 dark shade on one side to keep from flooding somebody's house. 101 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:36,560 Just curious. >> I don't remember offhand how like the 102 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,560 timing of the lighting, but it does meet the 103 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:42,400 requirements >> Right. For lighting just to be there on 104 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,400 that. 105 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:49,960 » I mean hours of operation right now publicly that we're saying is 8:00 a.m. 106 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:54,440 to 9:00 p.m. with possibility of opening earlier based off of what we're planning 107 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:58,120 for work, which is likely what we'll do depending on staffing. 108 00:06:56,280 --> 00:07:02,320 But 9:00 p.m. would be like the latest that we'd be open until with you know, 109 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:06,240 closing down and employees leaving. So I'd assume with the 30 minute kind of 110 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:10,160 close down maybe period 9:30 I wouldn't expect any bright lights to be on past 111 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,480 that. And from the lighting perspective you 112 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,360 wouldn't have an issue. So 113 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:35,360 » Would the lights be on all night or just when you're open? 114 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:39,160 » I assume it's when we're open. I think that we might have some sort of 115 00:07:36,919 --> 00:07:42,360 light on the building like small just you know, as a lot of buildings do. 116 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:45,160 Nothing crazy though. >> Security? 117 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:48,880 » Yeah, security measure lighting, typical thing around the perimeter but nothing 118 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:55,200 like that will should shine into your neighbor's yards and stuff. 119 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,200 » Okay, just curious. Thank you. 120 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:04,880 » Anything else? >> I guess 121 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:08,280 To what extent is there architectural commentary? Just cuz I I have some 122 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:11,760 definitely comments on just overall design and aesthetics. 123 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,919 Um Is that 124 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,280 » Well We'll be talking 125 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:18,919 » something we have to discuss? >> I mean I think that you could you could 126 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:22,400 certainly bring it up, but whether whether the the board could compel the 127 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,760 applicant to make a change, I think it's a different topic. 128 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,960 » Okay. So that wouldn't be for this meeting. 129 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,080 » Well, I think I think you could certainly if you had like if you had 130 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,680 suggestions [clears throat] or something, I think that the nature of 131 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:36,520 the suggestions would have to be compared to the authority that we have 132 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:39,760 in chapter 17 for zoning to see whether we could compel the applicant to make 133 00:08:38,039 --> 00:08:42,760 the changes, but I think it's certainly appropriate to to bring it up and talk 134 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,920 about them if you'd like. >> You know, and that's always the concern. 135 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:47,520 Anytime you have something where you need clear span, I understand that 136 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:51,400 limits your building type, right? You're not just building it with stick built 137 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:54,560 normal construction, and usually that means two things, either span you know, 138 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:58,960 like precast concrete, which it probably wouldn't fit here, right? Or basically 139 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:02,880 like a pole barn, which kind of this is a nicer pole barn really to to word it 140 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:05,760 nicely, but and I [snorts] I do like that they do are doing like the entry 141 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:09,520 area where the office is and stuff. I think that looks really nice. I guess my 142 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:13,320 only commentary or question would be on the east facing, so the part that faces 143 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:16,680 Loomis, it's just like a really high percentage of metal and 144 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,320 normally most communities don't look at vertical metal panel, which is like 145 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:23,200 something you find on a farm farm building as high quality material. 146 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:26,400 I would just think is there a way to incorporate some other material that 147 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:30,520 maybe especially being right next to Sandys corporate center, maybe some more 148 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:33,480 masonry, some functional windows, maybe some full windows, fake windows, you 149 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:37,120 know, things that look like, you know, spandrel glass where it just how do we 150 00:09:35,839 --> 00:09:41,240 give it a little more soften the look rather than looking like we have a you 151 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:46,160 know a 30 ft 20 ft steel wall along Loomis Road. I mean the 152 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:48,680 building's fairly close in perspective. It's not like it's 100 ft setback or 153 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,440 something. I just I don't know is there anything 154 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:54,520 aesthetically that can be done? I'm obviously not worried about the back. 155 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:58,680 I'm not worried about the part that's recessed on the south like behind the 156 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:01,720 entry in the office area but especially I think on the 157 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:05,240 east elevation that would be commentary I don't want to provide is what can be 158 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:07,920 done to give it more character and let's not smell like I said metal buildings I 159 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,600 usually think of industrial buildings and this isn't that. 160 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,760 » Correct. >> Especially with the given proximity to 161 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,560 Sandings. >> Mhm. 162 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:18,960 The metal walls are those the same walls 163 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:24,320 that are on the inside? Like so is the steel panel also on the inside? 164 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:28,600 » So it is a it is a so it's a it's a high quality metal building. And I think from 165 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:33,000 a just a real response to kind of what your point was. 166 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:36,480 Um I think the the goal of this design is it is pre-engineered building. So 167 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:40,839 there are some limitations I think from a pre-engineered metal building we've 168 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:45,600 used more brick than normally so we were really trying to be 169 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:49,200 uh cognizant of uh from day one the owners here really 170 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:52,920 wanted this to look and feel like a community. 171 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:55,000 And so the brick was really important because even some of the colors we 172 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,560 looked at had some of this uh examples down 173 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:02,560 down this street right here and down Main Street to try to have this to be a 174 00:11:00,560 --> 00:11:06,240 green and healthy look. Uh they're they they understand their 175 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:11,400 customers and the community of customers that come to the YMCA also they want to 176 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:15,720 And so we did do a fair amount to kind of break down the scale along Loomis. 177 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:18,920 That wall is really only 20 ft. I think it was 22 ft but it's certainly not a 40 178 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:22,360 ft wall and the piers that are the brick piers 179 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:28,480 that create a rhythm in these things are a nice way to kind of break that up. It 180 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:32,720 is a field house. It is a lot of athletic performance Uh, 181 00:11:30,839 --> 00:11:36,280 and putting windows there uh on the east side doesn't really make 182 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:42,360 there to be glare issues. There's glare issues for, uh, the the 183 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:44,960 facility that would not be conducive to competitive, 184 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:48,440 uh, performances there. Uh, but I think that the way that 185 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:50,520 treatment of the, uh, metal panel is kind of gives a hint that there's a 186 00:11:49,680 --> 00:11:54,480 window there. It has It has a To me it has a very 187 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:56,680 field house look and feel to it. Uh, 188 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,440 and so I think that to me it adds to the, 189 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:02,720 uh, the success in terms of how it looks. 190 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:05,760 This this uh uh uh uh, meets that criteria. 191 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:09,320 » Yeah, I'll provide a couple more things. Uh, you brought up the windows. Like we 192 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:12,880 intentionally put a window on the north facing side of the lane because the 193 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:15,640 problem is with tennis, like especially in your facility, we don't want glare, 194 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:19,760 we don't want sun coming on the court. Like the worst you can have is partial 195 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:22,800 sun and shade somewhere in the court while people are playing. Uh, it just 196 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:27,640 ruins the experience for people, in all honesty. And then on the If you can see 197 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:31,640 on the east side, though, a lot above the the R logo right there, there's a 198 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:34,960 window up there. That goes into the office space that 199 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:38,800 Slab City will operate out of, so that has no impact on like sun coming into 200 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:42,440 there. So trying to add an additional window onto this property that like help 201 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:45,360 with what you're saying. All things you guys said we agree with, too. Like we 202 00:12:43,839 --> 00:12:48,960 went through five iterations from metal building to this to try to get it to the 203 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:53,000 look and feel like Grind Down here, Village Hall, down at the high school, 204 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:55,960 going around to get to where we are. We want to feel like we're part of this 205 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:59,760 area, and you can't put a building like this on Broad Street, but I wouldn't be 206 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,839 making it feel like Broad Street on this. 207 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,520 And at the end of the day, too, like part of 208 00:13:03,560 --> 00:13:07,880 the thing that we're running into is budget constraints. Like we're already 209 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:10,080 pushing up to basically like the maximum amount of money that can be spent 210 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:14,600 through SBA loans to even do this project. So adding more and more and 211 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:18,640 more like things to aesthetically build it up is fantastic, but we don't We have 212 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:21,880 capital so far. Like we just kind of We're trying to take things, put more 213 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:25,200 money into the space, which is actually what we did. We put the windows on the 214 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:29,480 front, too. If you drive down the miss going towards the freeway, like we put a 215 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:32,920 huge glass window that'll shine in up into the lobby area upstairs where the 216 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:36,520 actual club members will be able to access and non-members, too, to watch 217 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,400 down into the pickleball matches as they're being played. It comes in 218 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:43,160 through the front where the pro shop area is, more club space, stuff like 219 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,880 that. So, and I definitely hear what you guys are 220 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:49,560 saying at the same time, but like with a building this big, it's just from a 221 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:53,080 financial perspective, like all brick is wouldn't be possible for us to even pull 222 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:57,360 off. So, we're I mean open to any suggestions that you all would have in 223 00:13:55,280 --> 00:14:00,200 terms of maybe making some of these things that help out with what you guys 224 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:03,720 are saying, depending on what the village board of trustees say, too, but 225 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:06,800 I will say like from the start, like we sat down with Dan the architect and 226 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:10,440 Michelle the builder and said, "Hey, we got to take this from metal building to 227 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:13,800 feeling like it's, you know, an athletic facility that fits the Greendale kind of 228 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:17,400 like, you know, tradition." And that's what we do. We want this building to be 229 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:22,920 here for as long as I live in longer, hopefully, and uh like that's why we we 230 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,920 went at how we did. 231 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:28,240 » I I I get that. I understand that. >> I just I don't know. It's 232 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:31,920 » It's a big metal wall. I I'll I'll leave it at what it is. It's a big metal wall. 233 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,920 And like I said, I would think with Sendik's literally sharing a drive with 234 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,960 Sendik's, you're going to see these two buildings 235 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:38,720 » Right. >> Yeah. You know, however many feet away 236 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,640 from each other. I'm not saying it should all be masonry, don't get me 237 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:44,000 wrong. I think that would that would be too much, but you know, even the band 238 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:47,240 that's on the bottom was an awesome effort, but you know, probably want 239 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:50,640 landscaping around the base of that building. I know there's a little bit 240 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:55,080 shown, but not a lot, but you know, you know, it's just it because it does 241 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:58,800 project high in the air, you know, I don't know. And I I totally can respect 242 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:01,400 the glare issue. I would agree. I didn't think of that. 243 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:04,040 But that that being said, I worked on a lot of projects where people use 244 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:06,960 spandrel glass, glass that's strictly cosmetic to the outside, you know, once 245 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:10,839 again, it just gives it some kind of character. Um I'm just thinking, how can 246 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,920 you tie it to the Sendik's building cuz you're going to see them side by side. 247 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:17,160 » Mhm. >> They're close. Just that that reality is 248 00:15:15,839 --> 00:15:19,839 they're close. And what could be done to just I'm not 249 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,840 worried about metal on the back. I'm not worried about metal on even on the 250 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:25,720 sides. It's just can there be any more ornamentation or something that breaks 251 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,880 up big sheets of metal. 252 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:31,800 » think a a brick outline on this would look on the front. 253 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:37,160 » I I think that could go a long way, but the question is how high and what's that 254 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:37,160 cost? I get that, but yeah, I mean 255 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,920 That's like when this came to the plan 256 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:43,560 commission a couple times ago, right? That was the first thing that popped 257 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:46,080 into my head is uh-oh. 258 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:49,360 » So, you're still rebuilding. You need to I mean you need a lot of clear space. An 259 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,560 athletic field house. >> Let's be real. This one looks better 260 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,960 than a lot of other field houses. I think most field houses don't look 261 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:57,520 great. They mostly look really bad in fact. This one definitely looks much 262 00:15:55,680 --> 00:16:01,160 better than a lot of others, but I just think being, you know, 263 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:04,960 so close to Sandex and so close to the road is there just some other 264 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:07,720 ornamentation or something that isn't steel panel that could be maybe added 265 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,440 within those? And I don't just mean signage. I think signage helps a little 266 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:14,000 bit, but I'm sure there's a limit to signage, right? You can't just put 267 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:16,920 signage everywhere. I just I don't know. Is like I said, is there like a full 268 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:21,040 window or fake window or something where it doesn't cause a glare, but you still 269 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:24,120 get a cosmetic that's maybe put in some of those recesses or something? I'm just 270 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,240 throwing out ideas. >> Thank you. 271 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:30,320 » We did consider like a spandrel panel window and and ultimately, I mean this 272 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:33,920 might be a difference of opinion. Whenever I see spandrel panel window, it 273 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:37,120 looks like there's something uh so it's not 274 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:41,320 » There's always this kind of this notion of uh covering up of a window that some 275 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:45,200 you don't know what's going on inside and so it just looks fake and it looks 276 00:16:43,839 --> 00:16:48,440 like they're trying to cover up what's going on inside. So, we didn't think 277 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:52,080 that I said I don't think that gave the right impression. 278 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:55,920 Uh and and I think there you know, I do think there's we broke up the facade in 279 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:59,760 a manner uh with the this the banding of the 280 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:02,440 metal panel in a manner. That just it does create a little more pedestrian 281 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:07,720 feel. Uh the building itself is about 2 ft 282 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:11,880 lower than Loomis. So, just for taking advantage of the natural grading of the 283 00:17:09,079 --> 00:17:15,480 site. Again, all of this is contributing to a much more 284 00:17:13,439 --> 00:17:18,319 uh you know, human scaled of facade I think than 285 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,800 than what perhaps you're portraying it as. 286 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:23,920 » Question for you. The brick on the north side, and then even 287 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:31,560 northwest, I guess. There it looks like there's a little bit of a brick line on 288 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:35,840 there, like a foot-ish or two. Is that correct? 289 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:40,040 And if so, does that also carry all the way across the southwest? 290 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:43,440 » There's some more graphics than just this one of those. It's not in this 291 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:46,400 There's three different >> Do you see what I'm seeing, Adam? It 292 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:48,240 looks like there's a little bit of brick on the bottom. 293 00:17:47,120 --> 00:17:51,040 » And in this corner? >> No, no, no, no. If you go to Yep, yep, 294 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,440 right there on the bottom. >> Yeah. 295 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,400 » brick on the bottom? >> It looks like 296 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:58,720 » Yeah. >> Are you talking about this 297 00:17:55,160 --> 00:18:00,760 » Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, on here. >> around the office here. 298 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:04,200 » That does go all the way around. >> Well, okay, I shouldn't say on the back 299 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:07,160 side, but around like what faces of this is that all 300 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:13,440 » It's in the bottom one. >> So, like right here. You can't see that. 301 00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:13,440 » How tall is that? 302 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,480 » Yeah, I think >> I think he's talking about like here. 303 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:23,080 » You know, um 304 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,400 I thought it was great. I mean, I don't I don't 305 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:28,000 » Yeah. >> I I'm I looked at the the thought that 306 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:31,160 went into putting the bricks in there, having the different textures to the 307 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:37,240 facade, the different colors to the side, the white on top kind of mimics a 308 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:41,600 window. I thought great care was taken to try to soften this building. And for 309 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:45,320 And for the kind of building it is, I appreciate it. I don't want you to think 310 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,840 I mean, we're we're a group, so we all have different opinions. 311 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,600 » Yeah. >> We we don't all have the same opinion, 312 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:53,818 so I I think you did a good job. 313 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:58,840 » agree with you, but I agree on >> [laughter] 314 00:18:54,880 --> 00:19:03,240 » And I I I despise faux faux windows. I I think that it it does like 315 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:08,840 it it um gives it gives it a cheesy kind of look. 316 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:13,800 Um I I like the white the white on top gives it a I feel like it is a transom. 317 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:17,240 Uh and I like the brick uh down. 318 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:20,080 I I think from where we started, like when they were talking about how we're 319 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:25,880 we're going to fit all this parking and make it work next door, I think you guys 320 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:29,800 did a great job on figuring that out uh on there. I like I like the glass in the 321 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:34,200 front entrance, so I um 322 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:39,760 I I commend you guys for for the work that you guys did on it. Um, you know, 323 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:44,640 things could always be better. I've been critical of other projects over here on 324 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:49,280 use of materials and and stuff, and I think the materials are appropriate. Uh, 325 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:55,400 I like the colors. Really like the green and the white and the brick. Um, 326 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:59,400 so and uh for a commercial building you want something that's nice but doesn't 327 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:03,160 is not crazy for maintenance, so that it can always look clean 328 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:08,120 and doesn't you know doesn't take you know uh and then 329 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:12,720 uh constant uh work to make it look good, so 330 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:16,040 I'm very I'm very pleased with what we have here. 331 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,800 » Thank you. You asked a question on the brick 332 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,400 height. >> Yes. 333 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:24,480 » Okay. Uh 2 by 4 is probably where it's 334 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:34,600 » What What also What also helps, and I didn't 335 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:37,800 see in the lighting plan, is um 336 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:42,600 any up-lighting that you have on the on the wall in the evening would be would 337 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:47,560 be great. So, like you had a spotlight on that R logo uh would be fantastic. 338 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:50,120 » want to have some sort of lighting on the logo. I know the other gentleman 339 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:53,280 pointed out the logo on the side that faces Lewis. We're not set on that being 340 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:56,640 a logo. I know we have to submit the signage to the you know, get it approved 341 00:20:54,880 --> 00:21:00,480 and stuff. We're also talking about putting the Roosevelt Rapid Club logo on 342 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:03,360 one of my shirts on that side, so people driving by don't have to try to pick up 343 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:06,800 our what is this logo what is this place. This was just We were throwing on 344 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:10,960 many iterations of logos around the outside We got this in submitted for the 345 00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:15,520 time for this meeting, but that's not like a finalized logo. 346 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:18,920 » Uplighting on the wall with the logo, I think would be a a great touch. 347 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:22,800 » I do like the logo. >> You do like the logo? 348 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,800 » I like the logo, too. 349 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:31,080 » Yeah, you do get a sense that this is a some sort of like with the ball like, 350 00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:37,280 you know, it that it does you're getting racquetball out of that. 351 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,280 A racket sport here. 352 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:43,760 » Well, we do have stickers. They're quite >> [laughter] 353 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:46,960 » So, this is a secondary logo that says Roosevelt Racquet Club for those that 354 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:51,360 may not be from Greendale. Like, we'll have multiple variations, but this just 355 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:54,200 helps people understand if you're looking at it, it's got the R and you 356 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:57,840 see Greendale, Wisconsin, you have no idea what type of business this is. So, 357 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:01,120 we have two variations of that logo. Obviously, the other one's on my shirt 358 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:03,520 also and that's on the building for now. But, they're interchangeable. 359 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:07,320 » It looked like a handle on it, so it looked like a racket. 360 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:12,560 » One question I have for the design designer. Um with the RTUs on the back, 361 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,360 are you confident like obviously know you're not 362 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,920 going to be able to see these from the north because of the tree line that's 363 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,600 there in the creek and you're not going to see them from back because the back 364 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:24,000 has trees. Is there any possible belief just given 365 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:28,320 the height of the structure that you think you may even slightly see those 366 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:31,680 from like over Sendik's cuz I mean let's be real, this is going to tower over 367 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,960 Sendik's. I just think that's one thing that you build, you know, a very nice 368 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,400 building. Like I said, I agree that it's a very beautiful building. Nothing 369 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,800 wrecks a beautiful building more than seeing RTUs on a roof. Has there been 370 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,320 any thought of putting them on the ground or has there been any thought on 371 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,200 screening because like you said, I would just hate to have this beautiful 372 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:48,160 building and then you're putting this big metal box on the back that cuz let's 373 00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:51,880 be real, they don't they don't blend in with the roof usually. They're usually 374 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:54,680 silver and shiny and not the best looking. 375 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:58,280 » So, yeah, that's a >> That's a good question. Um you know, 376 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:02,600 again, the site, you know, we we've been eking every square foot out out of the 377 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:06,120 site for parking and for storm water and for all the other requirements. So, we 378 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:10,120 would love Trust me, we would love to put those on the on the ground, but 379 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:14,680 there's just not enough room. Uh so, we have to we have to put them in the air. 380 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:18,680 We all these renderings are have those uh 381 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:22,880 uh are to use uh modeled. Uh in other words, none of them show 382 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:29,360 that. So, and we can continue What we didn't I admittedly we did not do a uh 383 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:34,840 uh a view study uh from kind of behind self of St. X. And we certainly 384 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:38,400 could do that. Um but we're there you know, it 385 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:43,160 you get far away enough away from anything uh the perspective will either 386 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:46,920 let you see it or it's too far away so you can't see it. So, um we should We're 387 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:49,840 happy to to take that as those views and let you see them if you're if that'd be 388 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:53,640 helpful. But we're pretty confident they won't be uh 389 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,200 uh obstructive or uh very 390 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:59,000 uh uh 391 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:01,840 unesthetic from from standard. >> What color are they? 392 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,000 » The the you you are we they are whatever comes off the 393 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:09,800 manufacturer You can't paint those things. Uh they're 394 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:13,280 I guess that's I will tell you. So, we do have some samples not that you not of 395 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:18,160 the our uh rooftop units, but uh some metal 396 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:22,840 panels and some bricks. Uh ultimately the roof we probably didn't bring The 397 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:27,440 roof is going to be like a a French gray uh uh color. And the rooftop probably 398 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:31,720 not the rooftop units typically are in that that range. 399 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:34,480 » I've worked on projects where and and I I've never gone this route so 400 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:38,520 I don't know how well it works where they wrap like you wrap a vehicle to get 401 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,840 cuz I know painting is a little different if there is a aesthetic 402 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,760 concern. I just cuz like I said, if it don't match the roof, it's not a big 403 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:48,560 deal, right? But we know a lot of sheet metal cuz there's usually sheet metal 404 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:52,200 involved in these is shiny, glossy, and you know, stands out 405 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:55,440 like a sore thumb sometimes. So, I just I don't know. Something to be 406 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:58,280 aware of and so. Maybe you don't see it. Like I said, 407 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,040 it's hard to tell without a view. >> So, it's not the same. 408 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,120 » We'll take a deeper dive into it. >> No, 409 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:06,200 it's just like that. >> Uh but would you I would like to mention 410 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,440 that uh just offhand, I know we're just looking at this from a zoning 411 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:11,360 standpoint, but from a building code standpoint, I believe with the slope of 412 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:14,400 the roof, that these rooftop units would need some access platform. So, there 413 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:19,760 will be some kind of access platform out there that will then affect the the 414 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,760 cosmetics and how that would look. 415 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:25,520 » They need to have access. They need to either have a fall protection of some 416 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:29,160 sort, I guess. It could be a railing, could be a 417 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:32,680 davit into the roof. So, we we do we understand we have to figure that out. 418 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,640 » Is there ability >> It's just like a 419 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,160 a fence of some type that just blocks it then. 420 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,920 » No. >> I mean 421 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,560 » When was it? >> I mean, there's those they make the 422 00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:45,320 systems that hang off the units for that purpose, but it's something Yeah, I 423 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:49,560 don't know. I That would be my worry is it now I I'm not thinking about that. If 424 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:53,480 you have to have a platform or a rail, my worry is those often become yellow. 425 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,920 Um you know, is there a way to not allow them to be yellow? You know, where any 426 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:59,080 of these things have to, you know, match a building color, roof color? 427 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:03,040 » The one thing I'll say is I'm not an engineer or anything close to it, but 428 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:07,000 when you're standing anywhere on the sidewalk that goes down to Luna's, it's 429 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:10,680 the same thing. If it's on like the far side of the building, it's on the close 430 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:15,400 side towards the west. And with how big the front facade is and where it's 431 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:18,680 positioned with the slope of the roof, and I feel like I wouldn't be able to 432 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,920 see it. I'm also just a dude that walks on the street and says first thing. 433 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:26,200 » Like that one you do obviously. >> But so, I I just Like just if you look 434 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,840 at the renderings and how it would be set and like I feel like you would 435 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:33,280 literally have to be as far in the back corner of Sundix to like even try to see 436 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,520 it. So, it's >> Sure. 437 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,720 » Just like passing day I I get what you're saying. Like I agree like let's 438 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:41,040 try not to ruin a beautiful building with a giant shiny box. So, 439 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,080 » Yeah. >> I think we'll do everything we can to 440 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,760 make sure that it looks like it fits with the 441 00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:48,280 » I think as long as there's thought put into it, that goes a long way. 442 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,880 » Yeah. I think that >> Sure. 443 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,000 » I don't know. You could >> You can't make every building look 444 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,160 exactly the same. >> Yeah. 445 00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:56,280 » Well, one last thing. I mean, you guys nailed it. So, 446 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,280 » I mean, this you know, branding is a big part of 447 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,680 it. So, I think this is pretty cool. This is quality. Meaning that, you know, 448 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,800 people drive by and be like, it's a cool I mean, you get all kinds of you know, 449 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,120 marketing is a big deal. So, you get all kinds of cheesy logos out there. 450 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,360 » Well, we're starting at the Green Apple Market this Saturday, so I'll let you 451 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,560 see us if you guys want to talk to us more there. 452 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,240 » Exactly, but you know what I mean? >> We'll have a little bit of tan, we'll 453 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:19,000 have backdrops, we'll have actually the building renderings if you guys like it 454 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,400 tonight, we're going to bring out there if you guys like it. 455 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,760 Um, yeah. >> So, yeah, logos, color scheme, all that 456 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,560 stuff is really kind of cool. You guys you guys nailed it. 457 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,560 » Thank you. >> Um, but we're not talking money. Just 458 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:33,120 one thing I'm going to throw out there cuz I I was just going to hand this off 459 00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:36,000 to Paul later on anyway, but uh, you have stair the the uh, courts are lower? 460 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,080 » Yeah. >> So, make sure you got access to those. 461 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,080 » Yeah, there's also there that goes up there. 462 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:45,040 » So, that's a two-stop? That elevator goes it goes down to the court level as 463 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,320 well? >> Yeah. 464 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,680 » Then you got it. Okay. >> staircase and elevator and it goes to 465 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,200 the lower the foundation of the >> Yeah. Excellent. Cuz I was looking at 466 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,400 that, I was like, I didn't see any doors on the back side of the elevator. I was 467 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,960 like, oh man, I hope they didn't do that. Then you're good. 468 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:01,680 » Mhm. This is purely a recommendation, but 469 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:05,480 with these colors I'd highly recommend a black roof and that gray and the grays 470 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:10,720 can get really kind of weird. So, it's purely a recommendation. 471 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:13,760 And that's me from roofing for like 30 years, so. 472 00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:16,560 » I just put a black roof on my house and it looks really sharp. 473 00:28:15,814 --> 00:28:19,000 » [laughter] >> I If you want to come look at my house, 474 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:22,160 you can. >> GREEN SIDING 475 00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:25,639 » AND A BLACK [laughter] ROOF. SO, the green looks really close to that color. 476 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:28,080 » I'm with you on that one. >> [laughter] 477 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,720 » Green and black roof. And red brick. 478 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,209 All right. >> [laughter] 479 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,280 » Where we at? Good? 480 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,360 » Yeah. >> Yeah, so before before we would go 481 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:43,400 through and do a roll call and vote, I just want to make sure that we're 482 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:47,800 addressing all the things that Kristen put specifically in her report. Um, like 483 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:50,960 the bike racks they talked about um, minor modifications to the bike racks. I 484 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:55,640 assume that's okay with with the applicant. Uh, the sign permitting, I 485 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:58,760 received your okay with that also. Um, the number of parking spaces, I just 486 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,920 wanted to to formally bring that up. Planning Commission saw the number of 487 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,760 parking spaces and was like, "Okay with that." 488 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:08,560 Um, the storm water management plan will be reviewed by our village engineer as 489 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:11,360 was noted on there, um, including the proximity of the flood 490 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,040 plain. Uh, I think the other the other big 491 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:17,960 thing was the market analysis. So, Kristen had brought that up in her her 492 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:22,920 review. It is the Planning Commission's option to require a market analysis. Uh, 493 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,640 but if Planning Commission decides to waive it, it doesn't have to be done. 494 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,520 » What's what's that? >> What would be the purpose for us to see 495 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,000 it? >> What's that? 496 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:34,680 » The it's a, you know, a market study to show what? 497 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:38,560 » Just to show, I mean, would this business fit in the community? Do you 498 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:41,880 think feel it would be successful? Like a market analysis is going to kind of 499 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,360 tell you, um, the answers to those questions. 500 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:47,160 » feel like with being such a, you know, niche business, but in a good way, 501 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:50,240 right? And obviously they wouldn't spend, you know, what, upwards of $4 502 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,280 million to spend a building if they didn't think there was a market for it, 503 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,720 right? So, I don't think that'd be needed. 504 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,600 » Oh. >> I don't think we should be the ones to 505 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:01,000 tell you that. It's something you wanted to do. 506 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:04,600 » And that's between you you and your lender. 507 00:30:02,580 --> 00:30:04,600 » [laughter] 508 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,760 » Yeah, that's coming from a lender. >> [laughter] 509 00:30:09,130 --> 00:30:14,120 [snorts] >> Okay. 510 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:17,000 » I can support that. So, I'll make the motion. 511 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,760 » Okay. Make a motion to approve basically 512 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,880 everything with what she has. >> Exactly. 513 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:25,720 » I'll second that. Um, any other discussion? 514 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,360 I ask for a roll call, please. >> Commissioner Allet? 515 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,800 » Aye. >> Commissioner Gamboa? 516 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,360 » Aye. >> Uh, Commissioner Trzebiatowski? 517 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,000 » Aye. >> Commissioner Kozerski? 518 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,160 » Aye. >> Commissioner Kramer? 519 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,280 » Aye. >> President Sprosky? 520 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,280 » Aye. 521 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:44,560 » All right. >> Thank you, guys. 522 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:48,760 » Um, so so with that being approved, we'll work to have that on the board 523 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,520 trustee meeting, which will be 13 days from today. 524 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:57,120 » You're so excited. This is not a carwash. 525 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:59,960 » Yes, it is. Uh 526 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:03,280 that's a good question. Let me pull out my cheat sheet. 527 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:15,200 public hearing needed. >> No. No public hearing. 528 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:22,040 » No, there's there's no public hearing needed, but there will there's going to 529 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:25,280 be time for our citizen comments. But there's not going to be a formal 530 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:28,360 public hearing in public. Uh so like there we're not going to notice it and 531 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:31,200 so on, but there will have the opportunity for citizen comment. 532 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,880 » It'll be like a meeting in this room, though, right? 533 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,880 » Correct. 534 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:43,480 » And the neighbors behind you are thrilled that you're not a carwash. 535 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,760 And you're actually going to block the noise from Loomis Road for a lot of the 536 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:49,840 neighbors. Yeah. 537 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,680 Mhm. >> Okay. 538 00:31:50,002 --> 00:31:53,400 » [clears throat] >> All right. I'm going to make a motion to 539 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,680 adjourn. >> Second. 540 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,680 » All right. 541 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,520 » I. >> I. 542 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,520 » I. >> Commissioner Rowlette. 543 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,240 » I. >> Commissioner Gamboa. 544 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,320 » I. >> Uh Commissioner Szepanski. 545 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,760 » I. >> Commissioner Kozarizky. 546 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,960 » I. >> Commissioner Kramer. 547 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,880 » I. >> President Szepanski. 548 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,892 All right. Thank you, guys. >> Yeah, thank you. 549 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,912 » See you in uh 15 days. >> [laughter] 550 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:30,560 » The park committee we just don't say anything. 551 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,560 » Good. I like stuff like that.