[0:00] here, it's much shorter than that.
[0:04] » Commissioner Kramer.
>> Here.
[0:06] » Commissioner Gamboa.
>> Here.
[0:08] » Commissioner Kozar Ziki.
>> Commissioner Truszkowski.
[0:12] » Here.
>> Commissioner Ouellette.
[0:14] » Here.
>> Uh,
[0:16] President Szabrowski.
>> Here.
[0:17] » Thank you. Uh, looking for approval of
minutes of Plan Commission meeting of
[0:20] July 8th, 2026.
>> So moved.
[0:24] » Seconded.
>> Okay. Any discussion at all?
[0:28] That's good to me. Uh, let's do a roll
call on that.
[0:30] » Commissioner Ouellette.
>> Aye.
[0:32] » Commissioner Gamboa.
>> Aye.
[0:34] » Commissioner Truszkowski.
>> Aye.
[0:36] » Commissioner Kozar Ziki.
>> Aye.
[0:38] » Commissioner Kramer.
>> Aye.
[0:39] » President Szabrowski.
>> Aye.
[0:40] » Thank you.
All right. New business item A, PC
[0:44] 2026-24.
Discussion and necessary action on
[0:47] application for a site plan, landscape
plan, and light plan review submitted by
[0:53] Cartman for Roosevelt Racquet Club
located at 6190 West Loomis Road,
[0:57] Greendale. Tax key number 6-630-468-002.
[1:03] » I will take that one.
>> Can I give you just a very brief
[1:06] introduction on this? So, this is
This is a modification to a new building
[1:11] in a B3 zoning district. So, one of the
requirements from a purely from a zoning
[1:15] standpoint for modification in the B3
zoning district is it has to go through
[1:19] site plan,
lighting plan, and landscaping plan.
[1:23] The This is Plan Commission, so the
purpose of this of this committee is to
[1:28] recommend approval or denial, and then
ultimately the plan will be either
[1:33] approved or denied by the Board of
Trustees. So, at the end of this we'll
[1:37] either recommend approval or denial, and
then this has to go through the Board of
[1:40] Trustees for final approval or denial.
Um, and then this is This is zoning
[1:45] consideration. So, we have not received
a building permit application or
[1:49] building plans yet. This is just the
site plan lights uh, lighting plan,
[1:52] landscaping plan review.
Please.
[1:56] » Thanks, Bob.
>> [snorts]
[1:57] » Um, all right, so just
uh brief summary, the village received
[2:01] an application from Advance Building
Corporation on behalf of Roosevelt
[2:05] Racquet Club regarding the property
located at 6190 West Loomis Road. The
[2:09] applicant is requesting to construct a
[clears throat] new parking lot and
[2:12] commercial recreation facility offering
indoor racquet courts for reservations,
[2:16] lessons, clinics, and league play
together with supporting retail, club
[2:21] management, and second floor business
office space for SlabStox business
[2:24] operations, a sports trading card
information and analysis company.
[2:29] The subject property is zoned B3 general
business, and the proposed uses are
[2:33] listed as permitted in the Greendale
zoning code. The property is located
[2:37] directly north of Sendik's Fresh 2 Go,
and also borders a flood plain near the
[2:42] north and west property lines. The
village engineer and village attorney
[2:46] should review the proposed development
for compliance with flood plain
[2:49] regulations and any relevant Wisconsin
state statutes.
[2:52] After [snorts] review of the site plan
and submitted drawings, the proposed
[2:55] building footprint does meet the FAR and
yard requirements. The building
[3:00] elevation drawings show three separate
proposed exterior signs, and per section
[3:05] 17.21 of the code, signs, awnings, and
marquees are permitted. However, the
[3:09] applicant must obtain a sign permit and
confirm that all regulations and village
[3:14] ordinances are met prior to installation
of the proposed signage.
[3:19] Per section 17.382,
the proposed structures should be
[3:22] located to allow for ease of access and
entry. So, any any proposed structures
[3:28] should be located to allow for ease of
access and entry for occupants and
[3:32] pedestrians. The proposed bike racks,
when loaded, will obstruct the 5-ft
[3:37] proposed sidewalk. Graef recommends
relocation or reconfiguration of these
[3:41] bike racks to prevent sidewalk
obstruction. So, not required, but
[3:45] recommended.
Um compliance of off-street parking and
[3:49] loading has also been considered and was
discussed previously by the plan
[3:52] commission
but like a couple months ago.
[3:56] Since recreation is the primary use of
the subject property, staff feels the
[4:00] recreation uses and employee parking
requirements are the appropriate
[4:04] standards to follow to regulate parking.
The applicant has provided a project
[4:08] summary including a parking and
operations overview that states the two
[4:12] uses are complementary with different
peak periods allowing the on-site
[4:17] parking supply to serve the property
efficiently throughout the day.
[4:21] The proposed parking area will supply 32
stalls which will serve a maximum of
[4:26] nine employees during daytime hours and
during evening hours will serve 18
[4:30] players, two employees, and a limited
number of transitioning patrons.
[4:35] The plan commission should confirm
whether the spaces provided are
[4:39] sufficient.
Per section 17.383
[4:43] for a commercial use on a parcel of land
greater than 30,000 square feet which
[4:48] this is, a market analysis prepared and
signed by an independent market analyst
[4:53] acceptable to the plan commission may be
required. The plan commission shall
[4:58] determine whether this requirement is
deemed necessary.
[5:04] Pending further discussion, staff has
reviewed the submitted materials and is
[5:08] recommending that the application be
approved subject to the following
[5:12] conditions and additional
recommendations.
[5:15] One, the plan commission shall determine
whether the proposed parking spaces are
[5:19] sufficient. Two, the plan commission
shall determine whether a market
[5:23] analysis for the proposed development
shall be required. Three, the applicant
[5:28] must obtain a sign permit from the
director of inspection services prior to
[5:31] the installation of any new signage and
four, review and approval of the site
[5:36] plan by the village engineer, village
attorney, and director of inspection
[5:39] services.
Thank you.
[5:42] Let me know if you have any questions.
That's a lot.
[5:47] » Questions?
[5:52] » I I just with the lighting in the back,
is there a way to have like a
[5:57] a shield on the back end of the whole so
that the neighbors don't get a bright
[6:01] light in the back or
[6:10] So I'm just wondering if
for there is one neighbor that's rather
[6:15] close to this. So I was just wondering
how long the how late the lights will be
[6:19] on or
you know, how bright is it going to be?
[6:22] And sometimes I know when the street
lights are too bright, they can put a
[6:25] dark shade on one side
to keep from flooding somebody's house.
[6:30] Just curious.
>> I don't remember offhand how like the
[6:34] timing of the lighting, but it does meet
the
[6:37] requirements
>> Right. For lighting just to be there on
[6:40] that.
[6:43] » I mean hours of operation right now
publicly that we're saying is 8:00 a.m.
[6:48] to 9:00 p.m. with possibility of opening
earlier based off of what we're planning
[6:51] for work, which is likely what we'll do
depending on staffing.
[6:56] But 9:00 p.m. would be like the latest
that we'd be open until with you know,
[7:00] closing down and employees leaving. So
I'd assume with the 30 minute kind of
[7:03] close down maybe period 9:30 I wouldn't
expect any bright lights to be on past
[7:09] that.
And from the lighting perspective you
[7:11] wouldn't
have an issue. So
[7:30] » Would the lights be on all night or just
when you're open?
[7:33] » I assume it's when we're open.
I think that we might have some sort of
[7:36] light on the building like small just
you know, as a lot of buildings do.
[7:41] Nothing crazy though.
>> Security?
[7:43] » Yeah, security measure lighting, typical
thing around the perimeter but nothing
[7:46] like that will should shine into your
neighbor's yards and stuff.
[7:51] » Okay, just curious. Thank you.
[7:57] » Anything else?
>> I guess
[8:00] To what extent is there architectural
commentary? Just cuz I I have some
[8:06] definitely comments on just overall
design and aesthetics.
[8:10] Um
Is that
[8:12] » Well
We'll be talking
[8:13] » something we have to discuss?
>> I mean I think that you could you could
[8:16] certainly bring it up, but whether
whether the the board could compel the
[8:20] applicant to make a change, I think it's
a different topic.
[8:23] » Okay.
So that wouldn't be for this meeting.
[8:26] » Well, I think I think you could
certainly if you had like if you had
[8:28] suggestions [clears throat] or
something, I think that the nature of
[8:30] the suggestions would have to be
compared to the authority that we have
[8:33] in chapter 17 for zoning to see whether
we could compel the applicant to make
[8:38] the changes, but I think it's certainly
appropriate to to bring it up and talk
[8:41] about them if you'd like.
>> You know, and that's always the concern.
[8:43] Anytime you have something where you
need clear span, I understand that
[8:46] limits your building type, right? You're
not just building it with stick built
[8:49] normal construction, and usually that
means two things, either span you know,
[8:52] like precast concrete, which it probably
wouldn't fit here, right? Or basically
[8:56] like a pole barn, which kind of this is
a nicer pole barn really to to word it
[9:00] nicely, but and I [snorts] I do like
that they do are doing like the entry
[9:04] area where the office is and stuff. I
think that looks really nice. I guess my
[9:07] only commentary or question would be on
the east facing, so the part that faces
[9:11] Loomis, it's just like a
really high percentage of metal and
[9:15] normally most communities don't look at
vertical metal panel, which is like
[9:18] something you find on a farm farm
building as high quality material.
[9:22] I would just think is there a way to
incorporate some other material that
[9:25] maybe especially being right next to
Sandys corporate center, maybe some more
[9:27] masonry, some functional windows, maybe
some full windows, fake windows, you
[9:32] know, things that look like, you know,
spandrel glass where it just how do we
[9:35] give it a little more soften the look
rather than looking like we have a you
[9:38] know a 30 ft 20 ft
steel wall along Loomis Road. I mean the
[9:43] building's fairly close in perspective.
It's not like it's 100 ft setback or
[9:47] something.
I just I don't know is there anything
[9:49] aesthetically that can be done? I'm
obviously not worried about the back.
[9:53] I'm not worried about the part that's
recessed on the south like behind the
[9:57] entry in the office area but especially
I think on the
[9:59] east elevation that would be commentary
I don't want to provide is what can be
[10:03] done to give it more character and let's
not smell like I said metal buildings I
[10:06] usually think of industrial buildings
and this isn't that.
[10:09] » Correct.
>> Especially with the given proximity to
[10:11] Sandings.
>> Mhm.
[10:12] The
metal walls are those the same walls
[10:16] that are on the inside? Like so is the
steel panel also on the inside?
[10:22] » So it is a it is a so it's a it's a high
quality metal building. And I think from
[10:26] a just a real response to kind of what
your point was.
[10:30] Um I think the the goal of this design
is it is pre-engineered building. So
[10:35] there are some limitations I think from
a pre-engineered metal building we've
[10:38] used more brick than normally so we were
really trying to be
[10:42] uh cognizant of uh
from day one the owners here really
[10:47] wanted this to look and feel like a
community.
[10:50] And so the brick was really important
because even some of the colors we
[10:54] looked at had
some of this uh examples down
[10:57] down this street right here and down
Main Street to try to have this to be a
[11:00] green and healthy look. Uh
they're they they understand their
[11:04] customers and the community of customers
that come to the YMCA also they want to
[11:08] And so we did do a fair amount to kind
of break down the scale along Loomis.
[11:13] That wall is really only 20 ft. I think
it was 22 ft but it's certainly not a 40
[11:17] ft wall
and the piers that are the brick piers
[11:20] that create a rhythm in these things are
a nice way to kind of break that up. It
[11:25] is a field house. It is a lot of
athletic performance Uh,
[11:30] and putting windows there
uh on the east side doesn't really make
[11:34] there to be glare issues. There's glare
issues for, uh, the the
[11:39] facility that would not be conducive to
competitive,
[11:43] uh, performances there.
Uh, but I think that the way that
[11:46] treatment of the, uh, metal panel is
kind of gives a hint that there's a
[11:49] window there.
It has It has a To me it has a very
[11:52] field house look and feel to it.
Uh,
[11:55] and so I think that to me it adds to
the,
[11:57] uh,
the success in terms of how it looks.
[12:00] This this uh uh uh
uh, meets that criteria.
[12:04] » Yeah, I'll provide a couple more things.
Uh, you brought up the windows. Like we
[12:07] intentionally put a window on the north
facing side of the lane because the
[12:10] problem is with tennis, like especially
in your facility, we don't want glare,
[12:14] we don't want sun coming on the court.
Like the worst you can have is partial
[12:17] sun and shade somewhere in the court
while people are playing. Uh, it just
[12:21] ruins the experience for people, in all
honesty. And then on the If you can see
[12:25] on the east side, though, a lot above
the the R logo right there, there's a
[12:30] window up there.
That goes into the office space that
[12:33] Slab City will operate out of, so that
has no impact on like sun coming into
[12:37] there. So trying to add an additional
window onto this property that like help
[12:40] with what you're saying. All things you
guys said we agree with, too. Like we
[12:43] went through five iterations from metal
building to this to try to get it to the
[12:47] look and feel like Grind Down here,
Village Hall, down at the high school,
[12:50] going around to get to where we are. We
want to feel like we're part of this
[12:54] area, and you can't put a building like
this on Broad Street, but I wouldn't be
[12:57] making it feel like Broad Street on
this.
[13:00] And
at the end of the day, too, like part of
[13:03] the thing that we're running into is
budget constraints. Like we're already
[13:06] pushing up to basically like the maximum
amount of money that can be spent
[13:08] through SBA loans to even do this
project. So adding more and more and
[13:11] more like things to aesthetically build
it up is fantastic, but we don't We have
[13:16] capital so far. Like we just kind of
We're trying to take things, put more
[13:20] money into the space, which is actually
what we did. We put the windows on the
[13:23] front, too. If you drive down the miss
going towards the freeway, like we put a
[13:27] huge glass window that'll shine in up
into the lobby area upstairs where the
[13:31] actual club members will be able to
access and non-members, too, to watch
[13:34] down into the pickleball matches as
they're being played. It comes in
[13:37] through the front where the pro shop
area is, more club space, stuff like
[13:41] that. So,
and I definitely hear what you guys are
[13:44] saying at the same time, but like with a
building this big, it's just from a
[13:47] financial perspective, like all brick is
wouldn't be possible for us to even pull
[13:51] off. So, we're I mean open to any
suggestions that you all would have in
[13:55] terms of maybe making some of these
things that help out with what you guys
[13:58] are saying, depending on what the
village board of trustees say, too, but
[14:02] I will say like from the start, like we
sat down with Dan the architect and
[14:05] Michelle the builder and said, "Hey, we
got to take this from metal building to
[14:08] feeling like it's, you know, an athletic
facility that fits the Greendale kind of
[14:12] like, you know, tradition." And that's
what we do. We want this building to be
[14:14] here for as long as I live in longer,
hopefully, and uh like that's why we we
[14:20] went at how we did.
[14:23] » I I I get that. I understand that.
>> I just I don't know. It's
[14:26] » It's a big metal wall. I I'll I'll leave
it at what it is. It's a big metal wall.
[14:30] And like I said, I would think with
Sendik's literally sharing a drive with
[14:33] Sendik's, you're going to see these two
buildings
[14:34] » Right.
>> Yeah. You know, however many feet away
[14:37] from each other. I'm not saying it
should all be masonry, don't get me
[14:39] wrong. I think that would that would be
too much, but you know, even the band
[14:42] that's on the bottom was an awesome
effort, but you know, probably want
[14:46] landscaping around the base of that
building. I know there's a little bit
[14:48] shown, but not a lot, but you know,
you know, it's just it because it does
[14:53] project high in the air, you know, I
don't know. And I I totally can respect
[14:56] the glare issue. I would agree. I didn't
think of that.
[15:00] But that that being said, I worked on a
lot of projects where people use
[15:02] spandrel glass, glass that's strictly
cosmetic to the outside, you know, once
[15:05] again, it just gives it some kind of
character. Um I'm just thinking, how can
[15:09] you tie it to the Sendik's building cuz
you're going to see them side by side.
[15:12] » Mhm.
>> They're close. Just that that reality is
[15:15] they're close. And
what could be done to just I'm not
[15:18] worried about metal on the back. I'm not
worried about metal on even on the
[15:20] sides. It's just can there be any more
ornamentation or something that breaks
[15:24] up
big sheets of metal.
[15:26] » think a a brick outline on this would
look on the front.
[15:30] » I I think that could go a long way, but
the question is how high and what's that
[15:33] cost? I get that, but yeah, I mean
[15:37] That's
like when this came to the plan
[15:39] commission a couple times ago, right?
That was the first thing that popped
[15:42] into my head is
uh-oh.
[15:44] » So, you're still rebuilding. You need to
I mean you need a lot of clear space. An
[15:47] athletic field house.
>> Let's be real. This one looks better
[15:50] than a lot of other field houses. I
think most field houses don't look
[15:52] great. They mostly look really bad in
fact. This one definitely looks much
[15:55] better than a lot of others, but I just
think being, you know,
[15:59] so close to Sandex and so close to the
road is there just some other
[16:03] ornamentation or something that isn't
steel panel that could be maybe added
[16:06] within those? And I don't just mean
signage. I think signage helps a little
[16:09] bit, but I'm sure there's a limit to
signage, right? You can't just put
[16:12] signage everywhere. I just I don't know.
Is like I said, is there like a full
[16:15] window or fake window or something where
it doesn't cause a glare, but you still
[16:18] get a cosmetic that's maybe put in some
of those recesses or something? I'm just
[16:22] throwing out ideas.
>> Thank you.
[16:24] » We did consider like a spandrel panel
window and and ultimately, I mean this
[16:28] might be a difference of opinion.
Whenever I see spandrel panel window, it
[16:31] looks like there's something
uh so it's not
[16:35] » There's always this kind of this notion
of uh covering up of a window that some
[16:39] you don't know what's going on inside
and so it just looks fake and it looks
[16:43] like they're trying to cover up what's
going on inside. So, we didn't think
[16:46] that I said I don't think that gave the
right impression.
[16:50] Uh and and I think there you know, I do
think there's we broke up the facade in
[16:54] a manner
uh with the this the banding of the
[16:58] metal panel in a manner. That just it
does create a little more pedestrian
[17:01] feel.
Uh the building itself is about 2 ft
[17:04] lower than Loomis. So, just for taking
advantage of the natural grading of the
[17:09] site. Again, all of this is contributing
to a much more
[17:13] uh you know, human scaled of facade I
think than
[17:16] than what perhaps you're portraying it
as.
[17:18] » Question for you. The brick on the north
side, and then even
[17:24] northwest, I guess. There it looks like
there's a little bit of a brick line on
[17:28] there, like a foot-ish or two. Is that
correct?
[17:33] And if so, does that also carry all the
way across the southwest?
[17:38] » There's some more graphics than just
this one of those. It's not in this
[17:42] There's three different
>> Do you see what I'm seeing, Adam? It
[17:45] looks like there's a little bit of brick
on the bottom.
[17:47] » And in this corner?
>> No, no, no, no. If you go to Yep, yep,
[17:50] right there on the bottom.
>> Yeah.
[17:51] » brick on the bottom?
>> It looks like
[17:53] » Yeah.
>> Are you talking about this
[17:55] » Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, on here.
>> around the office here.
[17:59] » That does go all the way around.
>> Well, okay, I shouldn't say on the back
[18:02] side, but around like what faces of this
is that all
[18:04] » It's in the bottom one.
>> So, like right here. You can't see that.
[18:10] » How tall is that?
[18:14] » Yeah, I think
>> I think he's talking about like here.
[18:19] » You know,
um
[18:21] I thought it was great. I mean, I don't
I don't
[18:23] » Yeah.
>> I I'm I looked at the the thought that
[18:26] went into putting the bricks in there,
having the different textures to the
[18:29] facade, the different colors to the
side, the white on top kind of mimics a
[18:33] window. I thought great care was taken
to try to soften this building. And for
[18:40] And for the kind of building it is, I
appreciate it. I don't want you to think
[18:43] I mean, we're we're a group, so we all
have different opinions.
[18:46] » Yeah.
>> We we don't all have the same opinion,
[18:48] so
I I think you did a good job.
[18:51] » agree with you, but I agree on
>> [laughter]
[18:54] » And I I I despise faux faux windows. I I
think that it it does like
[19:01] it it um
gives it gives it a cheesy kind of look.
[19:05] Um I I like the white the white on top
gives it a I feel like it is a transom.
[19:11] Uh and I like the brick
uh down.
[19:15] I I think from where we started, like
when they were talking about how we're
[19:18] we're going to fit all this parking and
make it work next door, I think you guys
[19:22] did a great job on figuring that out uh
on there. I like I like the glass in the
[19:27] front entrance, so
I um
[19:31] I I commend you guys for for the work
that you guys did on it. Um, you know,
[19:37] things could always be better. I've been
critical of other projects over here on
[19:41] use of materials and and stuff, and I
think the materials are appropriate. Uh,
[19:47] I like the colors. Really like the green
and the white and the brick. Um,
[19:51] so and uh for a commercial building you
want something that's nice but doesn't
[19:57] is not crazy for maintenance, so that it
can always look clean
[20:01] and doesn't you know doesn't take you
know uh and then
[20:05] uh constant uh work to make it look
good, so
[20:09] I'm very I'm very pleased with
what we have here.
[20:14] » Thank you.
You asked a question on the brick
[20:17] height.
>> Yes.
[20:18] » Okay. Uh
2 by 4 is probably where it's
[20:29] » What
What also What also helps, and I didn't
[20:32] see in the lighting plan, is
um
[20:35] any up-lighting that you have on the on
the wall in the evening would be would
[20:39] be great. So, like you had a spotlight
on that R logo uh would be fantastic.
[20:46] » want to have some sort of lighting on
the logo. I know the other gentleman
[20:48] pointed out the logo on the side that
faces Lewis. We're not set on that being
[20:52] a logo. I know we have to submit the
signage to the you know, get it approved
[20:54] and stuff. We're also talking about
putting the Roosevelt Rapid Club logo on
[20:58] one of my shirts on that side, so people
driving by don't have to try to pick up
[21:02] our what is this logo what is this
place. This was just We were throwing on
[21:05] many iterations of logos around the
outside We got this in submitted for the
[21:09] time for this meeting, but that's not
like a finalized logo.
[21:13] » Uplighting on the wall with the logo, I
think would be a a great touch.
[21:17] » I do like the logo.
>> You do like the logo?
[21:19] » I like the logo, too.
[21:24] » Yeah, you do get a sense that this is a
some sort of like with the ball like,
[21:29] you know, it that it does you're getting
racquetball out of that.
[21:33] A racket sport here.
[21:37] » Well, we do have stickers. They're quite
>> [laughter]
[21:41] » So, this is a secondary logo that says
Roosevelt Racquet Club for those that
[21:45] may not be from Greendale. Like, we'll
have multiple variations, but this just
[21:49] helps people understand if you're
looking at it, it's got the R and you
[21:52] see Greendale, Wisconsin, you have no
idea what type of business this is. So,
[21:55] we have two variations of that logo.
Obviously, the other one's on my shirt
[21:59] also and that's on the building for now.
But, they're interchangeable.
[22:02] » It looked like a handle on it, so it
looked like a racket.
[22:05] » One question I have for the design
designer. Um with the RTUs on the back,
[22:11] are you
confident like obviously know you're not
[22:14] going to be able to see these from the
north because of the tree line that's
[22:16] there in the creek and you're not going
to see them from back because the back
[22:19] has trees.
Is there any possible belief just given
[22:23] the height of the structure that you
think you may even slightly see those
[22:26] from like over Sendik's cuz I mean let's
be real, this is going to tower over
[22:29] Sendik's. I just think that's one thing
that you build, you know, a very nice
[22:32] building. Like I said, I agree that it's
a very beautiful building. Nothing
[22:35] wrecks a beautiful building more than
seeing RTUs on a roof. Has there been
[22:38] any thought of putting them on the
ground or has there been any thought on
[22:40] screening because like you said, I would
just hate to have this beautiful
[22:43] building and then you're putting this
big metal box on the back that cuz let's
[22:46] be real, they don't they don't blend in
with the roof usually. They're usually
[22:49] silver and shiny and
not the best looking.
[22:53] » So, yeah, that's a
>> That's a good question. Um you know,
[22:56] again, the site, you know, we we've been
eking every square foot out out of the
[23:00] site for parking and for storm water and
for all the other requirements. So, we
[23:04] would love Trust me, we would love to
put those on the on the ground, but
[23:07] there's just not enough room. Uh so, we
have to we have to put them in the air.
[23:12] We all these renderings are have those
uh
[23:16] uh are to use uh modeled.
Uh in other words, none of them show
[23:20] that. So, and we can continue What we
didn't I admittedly we did not do a uh
[23:25] uh a view study uh from kind of
behind self of St. X. And we certainly
[23:32] could do that. Um but we're there you
know, it
[23:36] you get far away enough away from
anything uh the perspective will either
[23:41] let you see it or it's too far away so
you can't see it. So, um we should We're
[23:44] happy to to take that as those views and
let you see them if you're if that'd be
[23:48] helpful. But we're pretty confident they
won't be uh
[23:51] uh obstructive or
uh very
[23:54] uh
uh
[23:56] unesthetic from from standard.
>> What color are they?
[24:02] » The the you you are we
they are whatever comes off the
[24:04] manufacturer You can't paint those
things. Uh they're
[24:07] I guess that's I will tell you. So, we
do have some samples not that you not of
[24:12] the our
uh rooftop units, but uh some metal
[24:15] panels and some bricks. Uh ultimately
the roof we probably didn't bring The
[24:20] roof is going to be like a a French gray
uh uh color. And the rooftop probably
[24:25] not the rooftop units typically are in
that that range.
[24:29] » I've worked on projects where
and and I I've never gone this route so
[24:33] I don't know how well it works where
they wrap like you wrap a vehicle to get
[24:37] cuz I know painting is a little
different if there is a aesthetic
[24:40] concern. I just cuz like I said, if it
don't match the roof, it's not a big
[24:43] deal, right? But we know a lot of sheet
metal cuz there's usually sheet metal
[24:46] involved in these is
shiny, glossy, and you know, stands out
[24:50] like a sore thumb sometimes.
So, I just I don't know. Something to be
[24:53] aware of and so.
Maybe you don't see it. Like I said,
[24:56] it's hard to tell without a view.
>> So, it's not the same.
[24:58] » We'll take a deeper dive into it.
>> No,
[25:00] it's just like that.
>> Uh but would you I would like to mention
[25:03] that uh just offhand, I know we're just
looking at this from a zoning
[25:07] standpoint, but from a building code
standpoint, I believe with the slope of
[25:09] the roof, that these rooftop units would
need some access platform. So, there
[25:12] will be some kind of access platform out
there that will then affect the the
[25:16] cosmetics and how that would look.
[25:20] » They need to have access. They need to
either have a fall protection of some
[25:24] sort, I guess. It could be a railing,
could be a
[25:26] davit into the roof. So, we we do we
understand we have to figure that out.
[25:31] » Is there ability
>> It's just like a
[25:33] a fence of some type that just blocks it
then.
[25:36] » No.
>> I mean
[25:37] » When was it?
>> I mean, there's those they make the
[25:40] systems that hang off the units for that
purpose, but it's something Yeah, I
[25:43] don't know. I That would be my worry is
it now I I'm not thinking about that. If
[25:46] you have to have a platform or a rail,
my worry is those often become yellow.
[25:51] Um you know, is there a way to not allow
them to be yellow? You know, where any
[25:54] of these things have to, you know, match
a building color, roof color?
[25:57] » The one thing I'll say is I'm not an
engineer or anything close to it, but
[26:01] when you're standing anywhere on the
sidewalk that goes down to Luna's, it's
[26:04] the same thing. If it's on like the far
side of the building, it's on the close
[26:08] side towards the west. And with how big
the front facade is and where it's
[26:12] positioned with the slope of the roof,
and I feel like I wouldn't be able to
[26:17] see it. I'm also just a dude that walks
on the street and says first thing.
[26:19] » Like that one you do obviously.
>> But so, I I just Like just if you look
[26:24] at the renderings and how it would be
set and like I feel like you would
[26:27] literally have to be as far in the back
corner of Sundix to like even try to see
[26:32] it. So, it's
>> Sure.
[26:33] » Just like passing day I I get what
you're saying. Like I agree like let's
[26:36] try not to ruin a beautiful building
with a giant shiny box. So,
[26:40] » Yeah.
>> I think we'll do everything we can to
[26:42] make sure that it looks like it fits
with the
[26:44] » I think as long as there's thought put
into it, that goes a long way.
[26:47] » Yeah. I think that
>> Sure.
[26:49] » I don't know. You could
>> You can't make every building look
[26:50] exactly the same.
>> Yeah.
[26:52] » Well, one last thing. I mean, you guys
nailed it. So,
[26:55] » I mean,
this you know, branding is a big part of
[26:58] it. So, I think this is pretty cool.
This is quality. Meaning that, you know,
[27:01] people drive by and be like, it's a cool
I mean, you get all kinds of you know,
[27:03] marketing is a big deal. So, you get all
kinds of cheesy logos out there.
[27:06] » Well, we're starting at the Green Apple
Market this Saturday, so I'll let you
[27:10] see us if you guys want to talk to us
more there.
[27:12] » Exactly, but you know what I mean?
>> We'll have a little bit of tan, we'll
[27:14] have backdrops, we'll have actually the
building renderings if you guys like it
[27:17] tonight, we're going to bring out there
if you guys like it.
[27:20] Um, yeah.
>> So, yeah, logos, color scheme, all that
[27:23] stuff is really kind of cool. You guys
you guys nailed it.
[27:25] » Thank you.
>> Um, but we're not talking money. Just
[27:28] one thing I'm going to throw out there
cuz I I was just going to hand this off
[27:31] to Paul later on anyway, but uh, you
have stair the the uh, courts are lower?
[27:35] » Yeah.
>> So, make sure you got access to those.
[27:37] » Yeah, there's also there that goes up
there.
[27:39] » So, that's a two-stop? That elevator
goes it goes down to the court level as
[27:43] well?
>> Yeah.
[27:45] » Then you got it. Okay.
>> staircase and elevator and it goes to
[27:48] the lower the foundation of the
>> Yeah. Excellent. Cuz I was looking at
[27:51] that, I was like, I didn't see any doors
on the back side of the elevator. I was
[27:53] like, oh man, I hope they didn't do
that. Then you're good.
[27:56] » Mhm.
This is purely a recommendation, but
[28:00] with these colors I'd highly recommend a
black roof and that gray and the grays
[28:03] can get really kind of weird.
So, it's purely a recommendation.
[28:07] And that's me from roofing for like 30
years, so.
[28:12] » I just put a black roof on my house and
it looks really sharp.
[28:15] » [laughter]
>> I If you want to come look at my house,
[28:17] you can.
>> GREEN SIDING
[28:20] » AND A BLACK [laughter] ROOF. SO, the
green looks really close to that color.
[28:23] » I'm with you on that one.
>> [laughter]
[28:25] » Green and black roof.
And red brick.
[28:30] All right.
>> [laughter]
[28:34] » Where we at?
Good?
[28:36] » Yeah.
>> Yeah, so before before we would go
[28:38] through and do a roll call and vote, I
just want to make sure that we're
[28:41] addressing all the things that Kristen
put specifically in her report. Um, like
[28:45] the bike racks they talked about um,
minor modifications to the bike racks. I
[28:49] assume that's okay with with the
applicant. Uh, the sign permitting, I
[28:53] received your okay with that also.
Um, the number of parking spaces, I just
[28:57] wanted to to formally bring that up.
Planning Commission saw the number of
[29:00] parking spaces and was like, "Okay with
that."
[29:02] Um, the storm water management plan will
be reviewed by our village engineer as
[29:06] was noted on there,
um, including the proximity of the flood
[29:10] plain.
Uh, I think the other the other big
[29:12] thing was the market analysis. So,
Kristen had brought that up in her her
[29:15] review. It is the Planning Commission's
option to require a market analysis. Uh,
[29:21] but if Planning Commission decides to
waive it, it doesn't have to be done.
[29:24] » What's what's that?
>> What would be the purpose for us to see
[29:27] it?
>> What's that?
[29:29] » The it's a, you know,
a market study to show what?
[29:33] » Just to show, I mean, would this
business fit in the community? Do you
[29:36] think feel it would be successful? Like
a market analysis is going to kind of
[29:40] tell you, um, the answers to those
questions.
[29:42] » feel like with being such a, you know,
niche business, but in a good way,
[29:45] right? And obviously they wouldn't
spend, you know, what, upwards of $4
[29:48] million to spend a building if they
didn't think there was a market for it,
[29:51] right? So, I don't think that'd be
needed.
[29:54] » Oh.
>> I don't think we should be the ones to
[29:57] tell you that. It's something you wanted
to do.
[29:59] » And that's between you you and your
lender.
[30:02] » [laughter]
[30:05] » Yeah, that's coming from a lender.
>> [laughter]
[30:09] [snorts]
>> Okay.
[30:12] » I can support that. So, I'll make the
motion.
[30:14] » Okay.
Make a motion to approve basically
[30:18] everything with what she has.
>> Exactly.
[30:20] » I'll second that.
Um, any other discussion?
[30:23] I ask for a roll call, please.
>> Commissioner Allet?
[30:27] » Aye.
>> Commissioner Gamboa?
[30:29] » Aye.
>> Uh, Commissioner Trzebiatowski?
[30:32] » Aye.
>> Commissioner Kozerski?
[30:34] » Aye.
>> Commissioner Kramer?
[30:35] » Aye.
>> President Sprosky?
[30:37] » Aye.
[30:40] » All right.
>> Thank you, guys.
[30:42] » Um, so so with that being approved,
we'll work to have that on the board
[30:46] trustee meeting, which will be 13 days
from today.
[30:51] » You're so excited. This is not a
carwash.
[30:54] » Yes, it is.
Uh
[30:58] that's a good question.
Let me pull out my cheat sheet.
[31:09] public hearing needed.
>> No. No public hearing.
[31:17] » No, there's there's no public hearing
needed, but there will there's going to
[31:19] be time for our citizen comments.
But there's not going to be a formal
[31:23] public hearing in public. Uh so like
there we're not going to notice it and
[31:26] so on, but there will have the
opportunity for citizen comment.
[31:29] » It'll be like a meeting in this room,
though, right?
[31:31] » Correct.
[31:37] » And the neighbors behind you are
thrilled that you're not a carwash.
[31:42] And you're actually going to block the
noise from Loomis Road for a lot of the
[31:44] neighbors.
Yeah.
[31:48] Mhm.
>> Okay.
[31:50] » [clears throat]
>> All right. I'm going to make a motion to
[31:52] adjourn.
>> Second.
[31:54] » All right.
[31:56] » I.
>> I.
[31:57] » I.
>> Commissioner Rowlette.
[32:01] » I.
>> Commissioner Gamboa.
[32:02] » I.
>> Uh Commissioner Szepanski.
[32:04] » I.
>> Commissioner Kozarizky.
[32:06] » I.
>> Commissioner Kramer.
[32:07] » I.
>> President Szepanski.
[32:10] All right. Thank you, guys.
>> Yeah, thank you.
[32:12] » See you in uh 15 days.
>> [laughter]
[32:25] » The park committee we just don't say
anything.
[32:27] » Good. I like stuff like that.