1 00:00:02,760 --> 00:00:06,720 Chair Garcia? >> Here. 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,840 » Vice Chair Mendoza? Commissioner Gallardo? 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,640 » Here. >> Commissioner Urquidez? 4 00:00:10,040 --> 00:00:13,120 » Here. >> Commissioner Zavala? 5 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:19,160 » Here. >> Thank you. Uh is there a motion to 6 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:19,160 excuse uh Vice Chair Mendoza? 7 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:25,440 » I make a motion to excuse Vice Chair Mendoza. 8 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:30,280 » We have a motion. Is there a second? >> I'll second that. 9 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:31,520 » Motion and a second. Um all in favor? Say I. 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:36,720 » I. >> I. Any opposed? 11 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:39,840 Motion carries. Uh we can now stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,250 Commissioner Zavala? >> [clears throat] 13 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:54,280 » Ready, salute. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the 14 00:00:51,720 --> 00:01:00,200 United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation 15 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:02,520 under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for 16 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,000 » Thank you for that. 17 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:13,960 » [clears throat] >> Uh we are at public comments from the 18 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:18,840 audience regarding items not on the agenda. Are there any public comments 19 00:01:16,960 --> 00:01:24,000 from the audience? Any emails? Hands raised? 20 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:27,920 » No, I'm seeing none. >> Okay, we'll close public comments and 21 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:33,280 move on to the consent agenda. There's one item, which is the adoption 22 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:36,080 of the May 5th, 2026 Planning Commission minutes. 23 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,800 Entertain a motion when you're ready. 24 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:49,040 » I make a motion to approve the uh meeting minutes for the Planning 25 00:01:45,960 --> 00:01:52,080 Commission meeting on May 5th, 2026. >> We have a motion. Is there a second? 26 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:56,720 » I'll second. >> Motion and a second. All in favor? I. 27 00:01:54,720 --> 00:02:00,720 Any opposed? Motion carries. We can move on to public 28 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:03,640 hearings. We have two public hearings this evening. 29 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:07,160 Our first public hearing is the consideration 30 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:14,800 of a resolution for a design review approval for a new two-story 7,147 31 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:19,920 square foot commercial building with 21 parking spaces on a 22,400 32 00:02:17,920 --> 00:02:26,800 square foot parcel at 447 El Camino Real, Assessor's Parcel 33 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,800 Number 024-022-004. 34 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,720 Uh, may we have a staff report? 35 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:39,600 » Thank you, Chair, members of the Planning Commission. Brent Slamer here, 36 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:44,440 contract planner for the city. And first item we're looking 37 00:02:41,959 --> 00:02:47,760 at is 447 El Camino Real design review approval. 38 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:54,000 Um across the street from the Inn 39 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:58,000 um adjacent to um another existing building 40 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:07,400 that holds a number of automotive uses and other off other general 41 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:11,640 offices uses on uh El Camino Real. Uh the particulars, it's a two-story 42 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:17,640 structure 7,147 square feet. It's a vacant 22,400 square 43 00:03:14,640 --> 00:03:22,200 foot square foot lot. Um seven tenant spaces are planned, two on the bottom 44 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:28,959 floor, five on the top. Um the bottom spaces are 1,512. The second floor 45 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:34,440 offices 533 square feet. Uh no users identified at present. Um 46 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:38,840 talk a little bit more about setbacks. Uh the in the in this zone there are 47 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:44,880 zero-foot setbacks all around. Um 21 spaces for parking on the side of 48 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:49,800 the property. Signage would be deferred for you know for the future. A unified 49 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:53,480 uniform sign program would be required once businesses are established. 50 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:58,720 Um since our last meeting, the 51 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:01,720 HCD approved the building moratorium back in June. 52 00:03:59,960 --> 00:04:04,840 Um so, any approvals that come from planning at this point are automatically 53 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:08,400 told, meaning that they don't the the clock 54 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:12,640 for approvals doesn't start until they're able to actually receive a 55 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:15,760 permit. So, um during this time, people may move 56 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:20,440 forward for planning approvals, get planning approvals, and then 57 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:24,720 um the time clock does not start until the building moratorium is lifted and 58 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:28,560 they're able to get a permit. Um so. 59 00:04:26,587 --> 00:04:31,400 » [clears throat] >> So, we wouldn't Well, we don't have a 60 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:35,080 date of when that clock will start, but it'll be 61 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:40,240 it's typically design review approvals are 3 years, it'd be 3 years after the 62 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:43,919 date that the moratorium is lifted. Um 63 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:48,000 this is what the building elevations look like. Uh said I'll defer to the 64 00:04:46,280 --> 00:04:51,840 architect for more explanation and the questions that you may have. Um we do 65 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:56,440 have representatives here today for the project. Um 66 00:04:54,480 --> 00:05:01,200 if you look at the site plan here, it is a long and narrow parcel. 67 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:05,600 Um so, the building while we encourage buildings to be 68 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:11,040 oriented along El Camino Real, uh it just the the way that this lot is 69 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:14,120 situated makes it difficult to do that. Um 70 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:17,160 for a long time, we went back and forth about 71 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:20,720 the property. The property goes back to 9th Street, 72 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:23,440 um but it's very narrow back there, and there was long consideration about 73 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:28,000 whether or not there would be a connection to 9th Street. Um so, you see 74 00:05:25,840 --> 00:05:31,880 here there's a turnaround uh in the back of the property. There's 75 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:37,200 24 parking spaces in the building up on the side of the property. 76 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,200 Um landscaping 77 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,520 and 78 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:47,440 um and you see here. So, building's oriented on the 79 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:51,440 which would be the north of the of the property 80 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:58,400 um here. Parking on the side. Um there's a 81 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,400 go to 82 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:08,000 There's a stairwell up on the top. There's two There's two units on the 83 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:11,440 bottom, five units on the top. And as I mentioned 84 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:14,960 um our architect and applicant are here to 85 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:18,320 answer questions about the building. Um 86 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:24,919 from our perspective we looked at parking, we looked at landscaping, we 87 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:24,919 looked at all the um other requirements. 88 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:32,320 Um no significant obvious questions have been reviewed by all departments 89 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:34,800 for access, for other things. Uh you have a whole list of conditions of 90 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:39,800 approval that are set up. I'm here to answer any questions that you might have 91 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:45,280 uh about the project. Um also, as I mentioned um you have 92 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:50,280 our architect and applicant here to discuss the project and answer any 93 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,280 questions that you may have for them. 94 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,960 Staff recommending approval of the project. 95 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:57,640 » Thank you for that staff report. Are there any questions for staff before we 96 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:00,680 open the public hearing? >> Uh yeah, I have a question. 97 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:04,480 » Sure. >> I think you already answered it, but 98 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:09,200 just for my clarification, even if this was approved 99 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:12,080 it really wouldn't go into I mean 100 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:15,720 they wouldn't get in a permit, correct? >> That is correct. 101 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:17,520 » Until the moratoria moratorium is over. >> That's right. 102 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:22,000 » And that's not We're not going to see that in the foreseeable future, are we? 103 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:25,040 » Um it's hard to say exactly when that's 104 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,000 going to be, but yes, it's going to be a few years. 105 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:31,120 » I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you. But I was under the impression that 106 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:36,560 no one would issue permits or get permits until the issue with the 107 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:39,560 wastewater was uh resolved. Am I correct in that? 108 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:41,640 » Building permits, yes. You can get a planning permit, but you can't build 109 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:46,840 anything until that >> Exactly. Exactly. So, 110 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:50,400 that project over there, I mean, that's going to take a long time to get. 111 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:53,240 I mean, that's not going to be done 6 months, 7 months, whatever. 112 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,320 » No. >> I mean, that expansion over there, they 113 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:59,280 were talking one time, if I remember correctly, that would going to take up 114 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:04,000 to a couple of years to get it resolved. >> That is correct. 115 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:07,000 » So, again, being redundant here, even if we approve it, 116 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,360 they're not going to get a building permit. 117 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,680 » That is correct. >> Okay. 118 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:15,480 » This is the old Byers. Uh 119 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,360 based down here. It used to be buildings. 120 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:23,120 » This is a new building? >> This is Go back to the map. 121 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:29,160 This is the uh elementary school. This is the inn over here. 122 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:32,320 Um this is the Me Memorial um 123 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:38,200 medical clinic right here. This is where there's the 124 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:41,919 auto parts and the auto stores here. Um this is where the donut shop. 125 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:45,560 Uh anyway, it's this lot right here, this vacant lot. I don't know if my 126 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:51,160 cursor is moving with you, but this lot right here. It backs up to 9th 127 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:55,040 Street at the end of 9th Street. Yeah, vacant lot. 128 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:58,160 » So, so Bob, it goes It would be next to that long tin building that's there 129 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,240 where they have a tire shop and all that stuff. It would be on the south side of 130 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:02,800 that. >> Exactly. 131 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,600 » Any more questions for staff? 132 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:13,960 Hearing none, we'll open up the public hearing. 133 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,960 The applicant here. 134 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:24,680 » Good evening, council, or uh if the chair that uh I'm Matt Reinhardt, 135 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:28,480 I'm the architect for this project. And uh I'd like to thank staff for bringing 136 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:32,240 this to the planning commission. And uh 137 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:35,680 if you have any questions of me, uh I'll be more than happy to answer them. 138 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,320 Uh I think uh 139 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:43,160 some of the I read all the conditions of approval. 140 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:48,960 They're all acceptable. I'll actually go over one with 141 00:09:45,560 --> 00:09:52,920 staff. I believe it's just a typo and it was 142 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:58,960 if I would just the condition of approval on page 25, 143 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:01,280 item 41. It talks about the 144 00:10:00,641 --> 00:10:07,680 » [clears throat] >> the sidewalk park strip and it's like 145 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:12,480 there's a a full width sidewalk in that area, so 146 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:19,280 there's no landscaping in that sidewalk area. It's just a full width sidewalk. 147 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,280 You could probably just change that. 148 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:26,320 And if you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer. 149 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:30,960 » Thank you for [snorts] that. Does anybody have any questions for the 150 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,960 architect? 151 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:42,520 I have one. Okay, so you indicate that there are seven tenant 152 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:45,640 spaces for this project. I just want to clarify that they're all going to be 153 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,880 commercial tenants. [clears throat] >> Yes, they're all commercial tenants. 154 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:52,200 » Because I >> Offices, office suites upstairs. 155 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:54,839 » I was looking at the toilet rooms on the second floor and there's showers in 156 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:59,440 there. >> There is. 157 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:03,839 » You're having showers in your office? >> There's a lot of people that want to 158 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:08,200 shower in their private office, so the 159 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:10,839 that's what we're doing. >> So this won't be converted to 160 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:15,040 residential. >> there's not a cooking area in there. 161 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,040 » Okay. 162 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:23,120 Is it every space with a shower or is it just 163 00:11:20,560 --> 00:11:23,120 » has a shower. 164 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:38,880 » Is staff okay with that change on condition of approval 41 165 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,160 regarding the landscaping? >> Yes. 166 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:49,760 » All right, any other questions anybody have for him? 167 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:57,200 Okay, well, um 168 00:11:55,480 --> 00:12:00,720 there is a motion on page 169 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,840 I just want to say, you know, I went through it all and it looks like 170 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:08,840 everything is pretty much in conformance with 171 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,840 the zoning codes and um 172 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,720 everything. 173 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:18,240 All the conditions of approval are well written. 174 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:22,123 Okay, so the motion is on page 13 of your packet, page six of the staff 175 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,143 report. Anyone so inclined? [clears throat] 176 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:34,120 » I move that the Planning Commission of the City of Greenfield adopt resolution 177 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:40,000 number 2026-04 granting design review approval of a new 178 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:45,120 7,147 square foot commercial building at 447 El Camino Real subject subject to 179 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:47,920 conditions of approval included in the resolution. 180 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:54,120 » Uh, do we need to mention the the language change on 41? 181 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:57,680 In the motion? >> Yeah, I think it'd be good to just say 182 00:12:55,839 --> 00:13:01,120 as amended per record. 183 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:03,800 » Okay, as amended per the record. I mean >> Cuz that'll cover that'll cover the 184 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:07,160 action being taken in the motion and that your reference is specifically that 185 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:10,440 you guys addressed that specific condition of approval being changed. 186 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:14,320 » Thank you. We have a motion, is there a second? 187 00:13:12,839 --> 00:13:17,200 » I'll second that. >> A motion and a second, all in favor 188 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:20,760 please say I. >> I. 189 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:23,640 » Any opposed? Thank you very much. 190 00:13:24,560 --> 00:13:32,960 Our next public hearing is consideration of a resolution for design review 191 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:40,240 approval for a new 3,151 square foot duplex with a 903 square 192 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:45,440 foot ADU on property located at 619 Maple Avenue. Assessor's parcel number 193 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,440 024092000. 194 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:53,240 And APN 221001168. That's staff report. 195 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:58,120 » All right. Uh 619 Maple Avenue. 196 00:13:55,640 --> 00:14:02,360 Um It's a vacant lot. It's owned medium 197 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:08,280 density residential. There's an alley alongside it uh between 6th and 7th 198 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:13,680 Street. Um Two uh you gave the number so two-story 199 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:18,000 duplex, single-story ADU. It's a 6,800 square foot vacant lot. 200 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,000 Um 201 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:25,720 Setbacks was are 20 ft in the front, uh 5 ft setbacks 202 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:32,120 on the side. And then there's a two-story or for the two-story structure 203 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:37,400 39 sq 39 ft to the rear property. Um show the site plan here in a second. 204 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:42,600 Each unit has two parking spaces uh for the duplex they're proposing one 205 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:46,960 covered and one uncovered. ADU proposing two uncovered off of the alley. 206 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:50,520 Uh there's 2,500 sq ft proposed landscaping and once again this project 207 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:55,400 is subject to the building moratorium. No building permit will be issued until 208 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:58,015 the sewer plant issues are resolved. Expiration dates would be told just the 209 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,000 same. >> [clears throat] 210 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:06,560 » Uh this is the site plan. So on the left side of your screen is Maple 211 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:10,560 Avenue. The alley is immediately on the north or is immediately adjacent to this 212 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:15,200 property. Um 213 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:20,600 Interesting to note so typically under state law we don't regulate ADUs. They 214 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:24,840 go through ministerially. Um but here for reference purposes I think as we 215 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:30,920 look at this parcel, this vacant parcel, um particular particularly as it applies 216 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:35,800 to the parking. So, because the ADU is located with uh nick next to El Camino 217 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:39,160 Real and the bus stop that's along El Camino Real, technically you're not 218 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:42,120 required to provide any parking. Um 219 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:45,760 they're putting two outdoor spaces there or outdoor, I mean, uncovered spaces 220 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:50,160 over there. Um the front 221 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:54,320 I'll show the You'll notice here you have a single car 222 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:59,720 garage to each of these townhomes or to each of these duplex units with a single 223 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:03,840 car here. Uh for three units, you need two parking spaces per unit, so they 224 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:07,920 have six. Um 225 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:11,560 Of course, now with all the rules and what you can do with converting garages 226 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:14,480 and everything, it sometimes it feels like we're 227 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:17,840 we really don't have control how many parking spaces there are on a property. 228 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:23,960 Um we did want to touch base on that. Um 229 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:27,560 in terms of the architecture you see here, 230 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,560 um 231 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:35,040 it says it you have it you have the duplex, the two-stories, um the floor 232 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:40,480 plans you have here, if you've taken a look at those, they're 233 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:46,400 uh three-bedroom units. This is the ADU unit, or no, this is the 234 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:50,040 Yeah, this is the ADU unit in the rear. I'm happy to go over any questions 235 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:52,640 specific to to those. Um 236 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:05,800 So, um zone medium-density residential, three units allowed. 237 00:17:04,120 --> 00:17:11,280 Um any questions over architecture, 238 00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:15,199 anything, happy to help answer them. I don't know if they're if the architect 239 00:17:13,360 --> 00:17:19,800 or Yeah, I think I think architect's available on Zoom, it looks like. Um 240 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:23,079 we'll see if he wants to comment or anything. 241 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:32,040 But other than that, um I'm happy here to answer any questions 242 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,800 um about this lot. 243 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:38,360 » is the ADU on there? >> 903 square feet. 244 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:50,800 » Any questions for staff before we open the public hearing? 245 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:53,840 » Yeah, I I'm trying to find how far back is the ADU from 246 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,320 the main building? >> 10 feet apart. 247 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,880 » I'm sorry? >> to the bottom of the site plan, 248 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,440 » Okay. >> the structures are 10 feet apart, which 249 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,480 is a requirement. 250 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:07,480 » Is that minimum? >> Yes. 251 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,480 » Wow. 252 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:13,040 I mean there's 253 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:16,480 What is that? 11th Street. 254 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:23,560 Right off of a little ways off of Oak. 255 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:23,560 They're putting in an ADU back there. 256 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:29,480 And some things just don't add up to me. I mean, but that's a completely 257 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:35,400 different scenario because their front window of that ADU 258 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:38,800 is just a few feet back from a garage that's back there. 259 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:43,240 So, the only thing they're looking at is the back of a garage. 260 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:46,840 So, that's what I kind of want to make out here 261 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:50,880 that they're just not going to be looking at the back of that building. 262 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:56,840 » Yeah, so the the ADU requirements um are a lot 263 00:18:54,440 --> 00:19:01,560 are a lot less stringent than the city's zoning requirements, so that's what 264 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:05,280 allows you to put 5-ft uh rear setback, for example, in this case. Uh we have to 265 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:09,120 In fact, we have to require anything that's within a 4-ft setback. 266 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:14,000 Um we do have a 10-ft distance between structure requirement. Um but the the 267 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:17,880 direction from the state has been find a way to get it done. 268 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:21,040 Find a way to get it on the property and not a lot of discretion to that. 269 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:25,320 These are the standards if you meet the standards, you need to allow this. 270 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,920 Whether it looks pretty is I really have no 271 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,200 I hate to say that it's not of concern to the state of California. 272 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,120 » Okay. >> Or what your view what your view looks 273 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,920 like. >> Yeah. 274 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:40,440 I figure maybe they could paint a big mural in the side of the garage and look 275 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,440 at that. 276 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,920 » Maybe suggest that to the architect. 277 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:53,280 » Any other questions for staff? I have a quick one on your 278 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:56,880 staff report on page 433 of the packet under lighting. 279 00:19:54,720 --> 00:20:00,240 I can't tell if that's a concern or something we should look at 280 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:04,320 um design review requirements should 281 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:08,880 consider outdoor lighting to determine if the proposed project should be 282 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:13,400 approved. The proposed is standard Hampton Bay LED outdoor residential. Is 283 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:17,120 that acceptable? >> Yeah, there's no no significant issues. 284 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:22,480 It's more just this is what they're providing and this is how it meets with 285 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,480 their requirements, but no. 286 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:28,080 » Okay, there's no other questions for staff. We'll go ahead and open the 287 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,560 public hearing. >> I got to I got to ask you 288 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:35,200 » Oh, I'm sorry. >> Okay, thank 289 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:40,160 you. We were saying that uh it was an ADU going up 290 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:43,960 building right now but uh >> Yes. 291 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:48,040 » Over on 11th between 11th and Palm. Are they uh 292 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:53,760 are they under uh a mandatory on that or they can build it 293 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,760 on their own property? 294 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,640 » Um They were Let me with the question as 295 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,800 far as are they allowed to build are they allowed to get a permit for that? 296 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,760 » Yeah. >> It would depend on the time they pulled 297 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:07,040 the permits. So, you notice there's a number of properties under construction 298 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:11,800 right now. Um, so if they pulled their permits 299 00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:15,840 prior to that June 19th date, they can continue and finish their construction. 300 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:19,520 And I'd have to you'd have to give me the address, but I we can verify that 301 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:22,520 for sure that more than likely they were issued a permit before that date. 302 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:28,080 » Yeah, cuz previously we had been told that no 303 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:32,800 permits would be issued after like mid-September of last year. 304 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:36,480 But then that was proven that that wasn't true 305 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:39,360 because there was still issuing after that. 306 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:42,680 » Correct. So, when the City Council approved the moratorium that went into 307 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:45,120 effect back in September, it was always contingent upon 308 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:50,080 » State approving it. >> State approval. State approval didn't 309 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:54,480 happen until June of this year. But now it's happened. Everyone that 310 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:58,440 comes to us is aware of those timelines. They're aware of the requirements 311 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:02,400 that they can be issued a planning permit, but they will not be issued 312 00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:05,040 building permits at this point until until the until the moratorium has 313 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,520 ended. >> So, 314 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:11,760 from what I understand, permits were still being issued up till June of this 315 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:15,760 year. Is that correct? >> Yes, and we are still issuing permits 316 00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:20,840 now for things that do not require or do not affect the sewer. So, water heaters, 317 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:24,400 roofing, re-roofs, you know, things like that. We'll still issue those permits, 318 00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:28,200 but if it impacts the sewer system, since June 19th, we haven't issued new 319 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:32,320 permits. But we are continuing to complete all the permits that were that 320 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:37,160 were pulled before that time. So, there are still a number of projects under 321 00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:37,160 construction right now. 322 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,680 » Okay. >> If you get us an address, we'll be happy 323 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:47,920 to check on it for you. >> I'm just worried about parking. 324 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:51,560 You know, with parking status going around here in Greenfield, you can't 325 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:54,320 find a parking place. Now you got 326 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:59,280 four you're going [clears throat] to have four six parking spots. 327 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:03,160 And then you're going to have outside parking, too? 328 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,680 » You mean street parking? >> Yeah. 329 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:11,200 You would probably you'll be able to put with the curb cut there, you're 330 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:14,720 going to be able to put maybe two uh cars and then they might be being 331 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:18,480 used now as we speak. Um 332 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:21,800 once again, I come back to parking parking has been taken 333 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:25,680 very much out of our hands these days with the ADU rules. 334 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:30,160 Um we can argue about it all we want. I'm just not sure how we address them. 335 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:33,800 Um with the with the codes that we have because especially with the garage 336 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:39,320 conversion allowances and and things like that. Um 337 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:45,440 I wish I had a better solution for you. Uh right now it's my I just all I can 338 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,440 say is is contact the governor. 339 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:58,960 » So that concludes questions for staff. >> I just had one note for the record in 340 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:02,600 regards to the resolution. I would just recommend on any motion taken that I 341 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:08,120 think there was just a clerical error in the resolution itself. In the staff 342 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:13,960 report it references section 15303 of the secret guidelines for a small 343 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:16,440 structure new construction secret exemption 344 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:21,880 and in the resolution it references 15332 which is infill. I just recommend 345 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:26,640 because that's just a clerical thing. I'd recommend that any motion to approve 346 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:31,760 the resolution reference section 15303 347 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:36,400 of the secret guidelines. Um approve the resolution with 348 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,840 reference in the resolution to 15303 of the secret guidelines just to be 349 00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:43,800 consistent with the staff report. The staff report um 350 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:48,760 makes the secret exemption the new construction pursuant to 15303. 351 00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:48,760 » Thank you. 352 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:56,600 So would it be 15303 in place of 15332? >> Correct. 353 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:04,720 » All right, thank you for that clarification. Um, we'll go ahead and 354 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:11,000 open the public hearing. Are there any public comments? I see uh 355 00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:16,960 a few people online participating. Now is the time to comment if you'd like. 356 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,760 Are any of these the applicant or architect? 357 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,720 Okay, we have a hand raised under LV. 358 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,120 » Hello. Good evening. 359 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:43,600 » Good evening. >> This is Luis Vargas with Nstudio 360 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:47,000 Architecture uh with our architecture uh firm 361 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:50,520 uh for our client in uh just wanted to say hello and thank you very much for 362 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:54,160 bringing this to the planning commission. 363 00:25:51,840 --> 00:26:00,480 Um, it's been in the work for many years and unfortunately we are caught in the 364 00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:04,360 moratorium uh for the building permit um as I understand it uh but our client 365 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:11,160 wanted to move forward with with the planning uh approval and um and if it is 366 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:14,600 possible eventually uh the building uh review 367 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:19,320 uh knowing that there is not going to be a permit issued until the moratorium is 368 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:25,200 lifted but uh we appreciate your review and consideration of this project. 369 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:27,440 » Thank you very much. Um 370 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,960 Does anyone have any questions for the architect? 371 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:44,960 Okay, hearing none. Any other public comments? 372 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:56,200 Going once, going twice. Okay, with that we'll close the public 373 00:26:55,080 --> 00:27:00,760 hearing and open planning commission discussion 374 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,760 and decision. 375 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:12,320 Commissioner Zlotta? >> Um, no, I don't have anything. I'm just 376 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:14,640 trying to picture this on the map. Kind of 377 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:20,840 I mean Is it in the corner? Oh, yeah, it is. 378 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:28,040 I didn't have a chance to um draw anything there, but I looked it up 379 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:32,280 and I I don't think I got a good image of it online. 380 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,280 Um 381 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:41,320 Isn't there a park nearby? I can't I just 382 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:44,920 » There's a If you go down the end of the street 383 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,720 before you get to the freeway, there's like a pocket park with a basketball 384 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:50,520 court. >> Okay. Okay, now I I know where it's at. 385 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,520 Okay. >> It's up here. 386 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,600 I don't know if that's going to help anything. 387 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:04,240 » Um, Commissioner Kitas? >> Um 388 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:07,720 No, I don't have any questions. >> Commissioner Beyada? 389 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:10,880 » Yeah, I have a question here. I always do. 390 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:14,880 Well, let's go on the premise that it's approved, okay? 391 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:20,080 And like we've already stated 392 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:23,400 a permit cannot be issued. But how long can it actually sit like a 393 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,880 limbo before they have to go through a whole process again? Is there a time 394 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:30,280 frame for that? >> Three years plus the time that it takes 395 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:35,480 for the plant to get finished. So, if they don't pull a permit, so 396 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:40,760 let's just say just theoretically the plants completed and the moratorium's 397 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:45,240 lifted on July 1st, 2028, which is you know, almost 2 years from now 398 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:49,680 they would be good till 2031 when go pull a permit between that period 399 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:52,200 between 2028 and July 1st, 2031 to pull a building permit. If they didn't do it 400 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,600 by then, then they they'd have to come back. 401 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,280 » Okay. 402 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,760 » Thanks, Chair. >> No. 403 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:06,840 » I'm good as well. So, if there is a motion 404 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:15,080 on page five of the staff report, 35 of the 405 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:17,920 packet, and uh please don't forget to include the uh 406 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,640 correcting verbage for the uh resolution. 407 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:42,200 » I move that the Planning Commission of the City of Greenfield adopt resolution 408 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:49,000 number 2026-05 granting design review approval of a new 409 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:55,520 3,151 square foot duplex with a with a 903 square foot ADU on property 410 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:59,240 located at 618 Maple Avenue subject to conditions 411 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:03,400 of approval included in the resolution referencing 412 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:06,360 uh resolution section 15303. Is that what it is? 413 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,480 » Correct. >> Yeah. 414 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,680 That's sufficient. >> Yeah. 415 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:16,040 » Okay. We have a motion. Is there a second? 416 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:20,520 » Second. >> Have a motion and a second. All in 417 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:24,320 favor, please say I. Any opposed? 418 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,320 » Opposed. 419 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:31,280 » Four eyes and none opposed. >> Yep. 420 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,280 » Thank you so much. 421 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:38,480 And that concludes our public hearings. We can move on to other business. We 422 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:43,360 have one item, a uh request for the deletion of 423 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:47,920 condition of approval number 27 regarding the creation of a homeowners 424 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:56,680 association for the St. Charles townhome project located at 733 to 743 Elk Avenue 425 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:59,880 APN 024392001 through 006. 426 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:06,520 » Thank you, Chair members of the commission. So, this project here 427 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:10,200 um is under construction um did receive their permits prior to the moratorium 428 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:15,200 and is getting closer to uh completion and um putting out for sale. Um 429 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:19,920 this pro- this parcel has been planned since 430 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:24,000 the original St. Charles Place project that was developed by Creek Bridge back 431 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:29,280 in the mid-2000s. Um when they built the apartments, the 432 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:33,040 the commercial space, the subdivision, the houses around them, the Village 433 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:38,360 Green Park, all that area. Uh this was part of that plan. There was a plan to 434 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:43,160 have a number of uh six townhomes with live-work units at the time. Um later in 435 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:49,240 the the history of those those the live-work unit requirements were 436 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:55,360 deleted. Um and so we have the six units that have been proposed. Um 437 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:58,720 the planning commission and as I said there I probably should 438 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:02,400 have taken a picture today on where they are and their update, but if you go over 439 00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:07,480 there they're they're being built. Um they're going to look really nice um 440 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:10,320 matching the rest of the subdivision, but in this case you have attached 441 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:14,200 townhomes. Um 442 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:18,640 the planning commission at its last approval when it approved this 443 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:24,720 uh had one condition that required the creation of a homeowners association. Um 444 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:28,400 we've been I've talked to other staff members and trying to get an 445 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:33,920 understanding of the purpose of the homeowners association. Um Greenfield 446 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:38,760 typically doesn't use doesn't usually require those and for the most part we 447 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:43,080 don't have private developments. Um we do all our maintenance of of public 448 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:46,760 areas on new developments through lighting and landscaping maintenance 449 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:50,120 districts. Um so, new the subdivisions are well aware of those because they're 450 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:55,400 included on your property tax bill and they fund lighting, landscaping, um 451 00:32:53,240 --> 00:33:01,320 street maintenance. Um so, there's a there's a condition 452 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:04,800 number 27 that requires the creation of a homeowners association for these six 453 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,720 units. Uh 454 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:12,880 homeowners associations typically are much larger, have much many more units, 455 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:18,680 and generally cover the the maintenance of private areas. So, private streets, 456 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:23,480 uh gates, for example, um gate maintenance, swimming pools, or other 457 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:29,040 common area amenities that uh that are provided. When we looked at this, when 458 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:33,440 you look at the the areas in question, um 459 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:37,600 the frontage landscaping is usually covered by a landscaping district, which 460 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:40,960 this project is subject to in condition 26. 461 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:44,440 Um so, they are in the landscaping district. Uh fences are typically 462 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:48,520 uh governed by the property owner 463 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:52,480 themselves or the common area fences. Uh there are no gates 464 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:55,160 in the sense of any gates over there. There are no 465 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:58,720 private streets. Um 466 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:02,000 and one of the other issue was allowance for access to adjacent properties for 467 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:05,160 maintenance of the exterior of the building. So, as 468 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:09,159 for example, when you have you have the just like in the commercial buildings 469 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:12,560 where you have zero one-foot setbacks, the ability to get to 470 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,919 you have to use someone else's property to help uh fix something that you might 471 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:20,240 have. Um 472 00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:24,639 when they looked at the the fees just to establish an HOA, it was over $200 per 473 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,840 unit per month, um which is a pretty substantial hit to 474 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:31,399 your property tax bill. Uh so, the applicant has requested us to 475 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:35,000 look at this, um 476 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:39,840 see if there was any specific reasons um that this was put in. As I mentioned, 477 00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:44,120 the surrounding development um never had a homeowners association. None of our 478 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:46,919 most recent developments have had a homeowners association. None of them 479 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:50,960 have private streets. Um and there are no private streets in 480 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:55,639 this setup either. Elm is public and the road that goes around it is public. 481 00:34:53,200 --> 00:35:00,080 Um so um 482 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:02,600 to the under our zoning code, the the if the planning commission creates 483 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:06,640 conditions, the planning commission is the one that has to amend or and or 484 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:10,400 delete conditions. It's not something that we do administratively unless we 485 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,600 approve a project administratively. If the city council approves the project, 486 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,560 then the city council has to adjust the condition. So that's why it's here in 487 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,960 front of you today. Um 488 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,840 so that's what we're looking at is this particular condition. The applicant has 489 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:28,040 requested that we delete it. Uh we've reviewed this with the city engineer. Um 490 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:32,800 creation of the LMD, talked to the city manager. Um we're supportive of doing 491 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:37,040 that. Um but if there are questions or concerns uh about why this was created, 492 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:41,120 we're more than happy to address them or any other questions that you might have. 493 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,400 » I conclude your staff. >> I conclude the staff report. 494 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:52,400 » Okay, thank you. Um we'll go ahead and open public 495 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,400 comment. Are there any public comments? 496 00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:03,760 We have a hand raised on Amanda Lane. One moment. 497 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,000 Uh if you can unmute. >> Hi. 498 00:36:04,799 --> 00:36:11,240 » [clears throat] >> Good afternoon. Um so I I represent the 499 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:16,640 developer on this project. Um and I just wanted to Well, first of all, thank you 500 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:21,800 for considering this item to be removed. Um just wanted to give you a little bit 501 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:28,320 more uh the background on this. Um we had gone we spent a lot of time on this 502 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:33,760 item. And we were trying to find ways of how to meet this condition. And 503 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:38,560 we went to different management companies to try to get fees. And I can 504 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:44,240 tell you the top two numbers that is driving these fees 505 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:50,560 so high is just the management, not even the work. The management and the 506 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:55,960 insurance on it. And as it was stated, nothing is owned by the association. So 507 00:36:53,480 --> 00:37:00,280 it's technically would be considered a non-CID, 508 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:04,320 which is non-common development, a common interest 509 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:09,720 development. And therefore, it's the reason for we felt really strongly as to 510 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:13,800 if it can be removed, it sure would make it easier. But 511 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:18,320 kind of like the gentleman had stated is that typically when you're dealing with 512 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:23,720 HOAs, you're dealing with, you know, 50 units, you know, where you can share 513 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:27,400 that cost more evenly, you know, whether it's for landscaping, 514 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:32,800 whether it's for gate maintenance, pools, clubhouses, things like that. Not 515 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:37,240 exactly sure why when this condition was set. 516 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:41,040 Unfortunately, it didn't come to me. I'm the broker for the company. 517 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:46,920 So when I was reviewing all the documents as we were getting closer, 518 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:51,200 this was something that popped up and um you know, I I didn't realize that this 519 00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:54,720 condition was on there. So it's when I kind of gotten involved. 520 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:58,560 Otherwise, I would have gotten involved much sooner. So 521 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:03,720 I really hope that this is something you would consider. 522 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:07,800 And again, there's zero ownership by the association. Everything is private. 523 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:14,120 » Okay, thank you for your comment. Are there any other public comments? 524 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:26,120 Okay, hearing none, Now, close public comment and move to planning commission 525 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:29,880 discussion and decision. Start on your end, Mr. Commissioner 526 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,080 Peters. >> Um 527 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:41,720 I have one question and I don't know how how to how to uh 528 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:46,000 say it. Is it uh so if we go ahead and say it 529 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:52,280 drop the HOA, what makes them think that 530 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:57,120 families can move in with with the area apartment and stuff like that? 531 00:38:55,120 --> 00:39:01,880 » Um so, this is a for-sale development, so they would purchase the unit. Um and 532 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:05,040 then, you know, and of course, it they won't they won't do that until the 533 00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:07,960 buildings have been cleared for occupancy and the 534 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:13,840 the proper projects have been final, which hasn't happened yet. Um but as 535 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:17,360 soon as the project's finaled, they are in as I mentioned before, they are in 536 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:21,120 the landscaping and lighting maintenance district, which is the typical standard 537 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:24,240 we use for new developments. The the property owner contributes on their 538 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:28,160 property tax bill the bill for the the landscape strip in front of the 539 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:31,760 property, the lights, and the roads next to it. Um 540 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:35,680 so, it doesn't it if we if we delete the 541 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:40,440 condition, it just means that they don't have to put together the homeowners 542 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:44,760 association prior to getting a final. Right now, they can't get a final 543 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:48,160 without this condition in place as you as and as the um 544 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:52,320 the broker mentioned, they've been reaching out to companies looking at 545 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:55,800 that. And and I would say from my perspective, and I wasn't here when this 546 00:39:53,960 --> 00:40:00,240 was approved, as she said, generally HOAs, you know, operate in much larger 547 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:05,120 numbers to help offset the maintenance cost of the HOA. Um 548 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:11,560 having six it puts a lot of as she said, administrative burden. Um there's a lot 549 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:15,280 of cost for management of that. Um but I hope to answer your question that it 550 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:19,680 just means that that's not a consideration prior to them receiving 551 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:22,440 their final inspection. >> All right, thank you. 552 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:33,440 » Well, from my perspective, I think people are struggling just to 553 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:37,360 make mortgage payments, make their rent. This would just be an added burden. 554 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:41,680 And I know from what you've said 555 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,240 that the decision hasn't actually been made. 556 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:48,280 And they will actually will be 557 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:51,760 the the people who purchase the properties 558 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:56,400 are actually be told towards the end whether they have an HOA or not. 559 00:40:54,480 --> 00:41:00,880 So, I mean going forward, I think they need to realize as soon as possible that 560 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:05,440 yes, you have one or yes, you don't have one. 561 00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:09,880 So, I think it would behoove us to make a decision as 562 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,880 quick as possible. 563 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,640 » Yes. Commissioner DeLoach. 564 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:19,040 » Um I just have a comment. I mean, I agree. 565 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:25,640 I I think I'm comfortable um with removing the HOA. 566 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:32,000 Um but I do think that it would be nice to have so residents can have some 567 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:38,800 standards and rules and just I'm looking at it like appearance, you 568 00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:43,360 know, um for the building, um but 569 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,360 you know, that's just my opinion. 570 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,713 That's all I have. >> Thank you. 571 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:49,200 » Um I'll wait to check. >> [snorts] 572 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:52,080 » Um my microphone on? Yeah, can you hear me 573 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:57,040 okay? Yeah. Um I'm actually a big fan of HOA. Uh 574 00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:01,600 especially with this particular development here. Um I'm trying to scan 575 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:05,000 through my brain of anything in town that has 576 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:10,040 any homes that are attached. And I don't believe there's any in town that have 577 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:15,120 that. So, you have two, four, six units that are attached. 578 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:20,800 without an HOA, now I can go and buy a property and paint my house pink, and my 579 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:23,760 neighbor's got to put up with it. Um you know, 580 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:28,880 does that look good? Does that not look good aesthetically? You know, it's uh 581 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:33,720 it's probably a probable it's probably a problem. Um I think HOA, again, the 582 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,680 standards um 583 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:39,480 um I know there's HOA down in King City, 584 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:44,120 and if you go through those neighborhoods, they are in tip-top shape 585 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:49,760 because they're required. As far as the management goes, um not that I'm an 586 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:53,760 expert, but I think if you can get six people, one of those people can manage 587 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:58,480 it as a homeowner. Um manage the HOA, not that big of a 588 00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:04,600 deal, especially if you don't have any uh maintenance or anything that that is 589 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:09,360 really uh to a point where you need, you know, a a management company to 590 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:13,240 manage the property. So, uh my opinion is or you know, 591 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:18,360 HOA is good. I think it's it's it's the right move, you know, but uh 592 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:21,960 you know, that would be my two cents on this. 593 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:26,440 » Thank you for that. Um 594 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:31,760 for me, I think that this uh development is a little too small for 595 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:36,560 an HOA. There's six units. They are all of these homeowners would 596 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:42,280 potentially be the HOA. What what's to stop them from 597 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:45,920 saying it we don't our fee is $10 a month. I mean, do they get to set their 598 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:51,960 own fees, or what is that where does that $200 come from? 599 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:56,480 » Um that may be a question to to for for the the broker, but generally speaking, 600 00:43:54,360 --> 00:44:00,880 you know, every HOA that exists, you know, they have fees, and they the board 601 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:04,600 or whatever can, you know, adjust things accordingly based on how much you need. 602 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:09,240 But, you do need set up, you need you you do have management, you do have uh 603 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:12,640 you know, the requirement for reserves, you have 604 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:16,840 it's really hard to do with only six units because of the legal requirements 605 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:19,880 under the state of California to have a truly functioning homeowners 606 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:24,320 association. Not to mention you need people to volunteer to to be a part of 607 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:28,480 that homeowners association and what I've noticed um 608 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:34,920 you know, some some HOAs are successful, some HOAs in my previous city 609 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:39,120 have fallen apart completely because they lack the infrastructure or the 610 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:44,400 people inside the development willing to take on those jobs which aren't paid 611 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:48,800 to and you know, you hear stories of people who you know, do have really good 612 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:53,400 HOAs and strong HOAs that uh that keep everyone accountable and then 613 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:56,440 you have some instances where you've had some HOAs that have all the money 614 00:44:55,240 --> 00:45:01,320 disappear um for lack of a better term. Um 615 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:04,280 we had a case of that in Soledad. So it's only as good as the people who I 616 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:07,120 think to your point vice chair, it's only as good as the people who run it. 617 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:10,640 Um and so 618 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:15,000 you know, it's a it's a question of I think just for us as policy if we had a 619 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:21,040 development with private roads, for example, Barolo Circle. Um Barolo Circle 620 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:25,440 has is a is subject to that and they have a private park in there and and 621 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:28,560 that street on Barolo Circle is private and those are 622 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,920 those are not necessarily attached units, they're very close together 623 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,120 though in terms of your example that you 624 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,760 mentioned. But 625 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:40,120 you know, I don't know if that's something that 626 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:43,240 the applicant wanted to address or clarify further if you wanted more 627 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:47,800 clarification, but if we had if for example, if anyone in 628 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:51,360 Greenfield ended up proposing a gated development, absolute and we would 629 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,480 if you did a gated development, you would have to have private roads. We 630 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,560 wouldn't make those roads public and by extension you would have a homeowners 631 00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,200 association because in order to maintain those. 632 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:03,720 Um and then it becomes it becomes a development's responsibility to make 633 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:08,200 sure those things are maintained. Um 634 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:13,080 it hasn't been typically the practice to require HOAs in in Greenfield, but um 635 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:18,120 certainly, you know, if someone wanted to develop a project like that and if it 636 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:20,480 had private amenities, then we'd have to consider that. So 637 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:25,520 I don't know if you wanted to add >> Yeah, I just like to reiterate that 638 00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:29,240 again, you there's no fences, there's no Well, there's fences, but there's no 639 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,840 gate allowing access. 640 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:38,320 Um and HOA was for maintenance of the 641 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:43,800 exterior of the buildings. And again, um condition 26 including it in the LLMD, I 642 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:46,240 mean, that that's not free. >> No. 643 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:51,400 » Uh the homeowners will have to pay that tax as well. So I think this is kind of 644 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:57,480 uh double taxing in my opinion. But I do see um Ms. Lane 645 00:46:54,560 --> 00:47:01,280 has her hand up if she'd like to If you guys are okay with her addressing 646 00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,280 us again. 647 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:07,160 Go ahead, Ms. Lane. >> Okay, thank you. I just wanted to kind 648 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:12,200 of clarify as some of the comments that I was hearing. Um just to kind of give 649 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:16,040 you a little bit more again. Um the I know you had mentioned as to like why 650 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:20,440 couldn't the homeowners maybe maybe at $10 a month that they could do it. Um 651 00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:23,200 part of it would require that they have to have a bank account. You have to 652 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:28,360 establish a bank account. They have to do record keeping. And so this is where 653 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:34,360 a management company has to come in. Um and I don't see the homeowners 654 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:39,160 themselves taking on the burden to make sure that they keep adequate records, do 655 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:44,400 the filings that they have to do, um keep track of bank account, good records 656 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:49,480 of that. Um so a lot of that fee I if I recall correctly off the top of my head, 657 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:58,200 the just the management alone was I believe between $300 um to $500 a month. 658 00:47:55,200 --> 00:48:03,000 And then um the insurance was the next largest numbers. And the insurance is, 659 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:06,080 in a sense, to, um, you need insurance for the board members, which are the 660 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:11,080 homeowners. The other thing that I foresee is that, 661 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:15,040 you know, you could find yourself that, um, let's say that the homeowners buy 662 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:18,280 into it and they know that there's an HOA. 663 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:23,480 At the end of the day, when the developer, uh, at the beginning, they 664 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:28,360 will they will serve as the HOA at the beginning, but as each row as each 665 00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:32,400 townhome closes escrow, they are the ones they are the board members. They 666 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:36,680 become that. They are the association that it and that that you have a manager 667 00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:42,880 that is managing it on their on their behalf. Um, so that's where it becomes 668 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:46,760 expensive. And then, uh, also to address the other comment about like the 669 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:50,400 situation that you mentioned about like somebody can paint their house in pink 670 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:56,000 and then you have to live with it. We do not intend to get rid of the CCNRs. Our 671 00:48:53,200 --> 00:49:00,960 the CCNRs we plan to keep them. So, if this gets passed tonight to eliminate 672 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:06,600 the item, our intention is to still keep the CCNRs in place cuz we do agree that 673 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:10,680 keeping the integrity of the homes in the local Nobody ever wants to live to 674 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:15,920 next door to that one house that's not being upkeep or whatnot. So, uh, our 675 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:20,440 intention would be to keep that and record the CCNRs. 676 00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:25,080 » Okay, thank you so much for that clarification. We really appreciate it. 677 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:30,520 » And if I may add to that point, Chair, about CCNRs. So, CCNRs are required of 678 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:36,200 each new subdivision in the city. Um, the only thing with CCNRs is that city 679 00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:40,760 city staff does not regulate CCNRs. CCNRs are privately, um, 680 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:45,160 they're on your they're recorded on your property and they can they have to be, 681 00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:49,040 um, you have to go privately to to enforce 682 00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:53,240 those CCNRs. The city doesn't enforce CCNRs unless those unless it's specific 683 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:58,840 to a code in the municipal code that it violates. So, um, but yes, every new 684 00:49:56,240 --> 00:50:04,680 subdivision has CC&Rs which generally prohibit things like you talked about. 685 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:08,840 » And I do think we have attached homes. I think there's a two-bedroom development. 686 00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:11,520 I can't think of the street. >> Then you're green? 687 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:16,360 » Uh, yeah. Not not the apartments, but the 688 00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:19,520 surrounding development. They seem like they are. 689 00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,640 » They're close. >> Yeah. 690 00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:25,280 » No, I was the ones I was thinking was Tyler 691 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:28,800 Avenue, but they're also I mean there's I don't know what it is, but the setback 692 00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:32,360 is 5 ft or something like that between. Yeah, that's probably that. 693 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:35,200 But these are attached attached. They're all six are 694 00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:38,160 R1. >> It's like row houses. When did this get 695 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:41,600 approved? >> I can't remember. 696 00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:48,200 » And why was [clears throat] that one of >> I can I can tell you. Let me bring it up 697 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:51,680 here pretty quickly. >> I'm just trying to 698 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:54,160 why was it on on one of the conditions? 699 00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:58,200 » 2022 >> 2022 700 00:50:54,960 --> 00:51:06,520 » July 5th, 2022 I was not working on this project. 701 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,520 Rob Blaine prepared the staff report. 702 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:13,480 That's what I have and I mean I think you have a copy of the staff report in 703 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:17,320 the in the materials if you want to look further into that. We looked around as 704 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:20,760 far as what exactly was the purpose of this specific requirement. We wondered 705 00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:25,040 if it had to do with the fact that originally these were intended to be 706 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:28,680 live-work units which creates more issues as far as the 707 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:35,240 you know, what kind of business uses may be going on over there. 708 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,240 That requirement was deleted. 709 00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:44,280 While I while I I I agree that there there certainly there 710 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:48,040 developments that that need those, you know, and 711 00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:51,840 that participate in them and they have their certain benefits. 712 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:56,520 The administrative cost itself it is burdensome for a six unit development 713 00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:59,680 plus the the filling of roles um to to make sure that it it keeps going and and 714 00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:03,760 and the more than more so the record keeping 715 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:07,480 that is required under the state to keep it active. 716 00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:11,120 » And the insurance and the this and the that and 717 00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:14,720 seeing some Tik Toks on HOAs too that are kind of yeah. 718 00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:22,360 So. >> I only have I have one question about 719 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:28,000 that area where they're building. I've been over there. I see how it is. 720 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:33,080 Uh it's so congested now let alone when people move in it's going to get worse 721 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:37,120 because you got apartments all the way around 722 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:40,320 and you got them around you got them on uh where uh 723 00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:44,840 what's uh Dollar Tree is all the way around. 724 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:49,880 There's apartments and there's some businesses. So it's 725 00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:54,880 hard to find parking for you know if they want more parking and stuff so 726 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:58,680 I don't know it's to me it's really congestion in that area. 727 00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:02,760 » It's certainly something that those that end up purchasing the purchasing the 728 00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:06,840 units will have to consider before their purchase and knowing that they are 729 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:10,200 constrained in terms of parking versus the ability to walk to certain things as 730 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,960 well. The more dense environment the more you can walk but the harder it is 731 00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:17,720 to park. >> I understand that but uh 732 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:20,400 what you're saying is that if they 733 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:24,080 abide by the rules when they first buy the 734 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:28,240 place and they move in and stuff like that 735 00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:31,920 what makes them think about two months later that hey my 736 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:36,640 my payments are really high and I'm going to get some more people in and 737 00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:43,280 spend $3,000 on that and there's going to be more parking. I know these houses 738 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:45,680 are going for $3,000 a month in rent. 739 00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:50,680 » Mhm. So, 740 00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:56,320 I I I don't know. I I would I would prefer that HOA, but 741 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,320 that's just me. 742 00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,960 » Okay. Um, 743 00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:04,800 is that it, guys? Um, I just want to say I think the the renderings are 744 00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:09,640 beautiful. I'm happy to see them being built. I'm I I'm thrilled that they're 745 00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:14,400 uh residential for purchase versus um 746 00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:19,040 you know, renting, so 747 00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:22,520 I'm I'm glad to see it moving forward. So, with that, if there's nothing else, 748 00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:25,280 there's a motion on page 60 of your packet. 749 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,800 Is anybody inclined to make the motion? 750 00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:53,480 Okay, I'll I'll do it. I move that the Planning Commission of the City of 751 00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:57,200 Greenfield delete condition of approval number 27 752 00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:01,800 regarding a homeowners association for the Stonebridge Townhomes residential 753 00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:07,680 development at the southeast corner of Elm Avenue and St. Charles Place. 754 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:12,000 Is there a second? >> Well, let's before we vote on this, I 755 00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:16,040 just want to clarify something for myself. Okay? 756 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:18,520 Does that mean if we vote yes that they're going to do away with HOA? Is 757 00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:21,560 that correct? Okay. Just wanted you to know. Thank 758 00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:24,280 you. >> So, is there a second? 759 00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:27,520 » Yes. >> We have a 760 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:32,720 motion and a second. All in favor, please say I. 761 00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,720 I. Opposed? 762 00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:37,960 So, can we have a roll call. 763 00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,000 Commissioner Gallardo? 764 00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:49,760 You have to say your vote again. We're doing a roll call. 765 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,960 » Schormann? >> Yeah. 766 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,080 » I vote for it. 767 00:55:55,160 --> 00:56:00,440 » Commissioner Ortiz? >> No. 768 00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:03,120 » Commissioner Zavala? >> I abstain. 769 00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:07,160 » Vice Chair Mendoza? >> No. 770 00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:10,440 » Chair Garcia? >> I. 771 00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:14,280 » Thank you. So >> So with that you would have no action 772 00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:17,920 taken on the item, so there would it would either be approved or denied. I 773 00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:21,400 think typically staff would recommend that an action be taken whether that be 774 00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:24,840 to approve or deny. Um 775 00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:27,680 otherwise it would just go back and nothing would happen. 776 00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,480 » So >> So you can make a second motion to see 777 00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:35,360 if someone wants to say or you can even do it this way you can say motion to 778 00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:38,800 deny uh removing the 779 00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:42,040 condition of approval just so there's a final action on the item. 780 00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:53,160 » So um is there a motion 781 00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,160 to 782 00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:57,800 not delete the condition of approval 27. 783 00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:07,960 » Is that is that a no vote? Yes, so I guess it would be so I can 784 00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:11,240 second that. You would second that and then you would vote. 785 00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,600 » I'm not making that motion. >> Right. If there was if there was a 786 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:16,720 motion made well here's let me just break it down like this. Is are is 787 00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:21,360 anyone going to change their vote or are you not going to abstain I guess? 788 00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:23,800 Or would you still abstain? >> Um 789 00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:30,880 » Is either way it's just better if there is an action taken rather than nothing 790 00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:34,080 happens because then I think it would probably have to end up coming at some 791 00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:39,280 point because there was no action. If there's action taken to approve then the 792 00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:42,960 applicants has nothing else to to deal with. If the action is denied, then they 793 00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:46,600 can go forward and say, "Oh, do I want to appeal that decision of the planning 794 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:50,400 commission and to I guess the city council." That way they 795 00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:54,320 have an option to go either way. I think it might have to come back if there's no 796 00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:58,560 action taken. But I'd have to double-check on that. Um 797 00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:02,040 That's why we typically recommend that an action be taken. 798 00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:04,520 Uh on >> Whether they say yes or no. 799 00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,080 » Sorry? >> Whether it's a yes or no, you would need 800 00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,480 an action. >> Right. 801 00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:17,040 » I'm not changing my vote. 802 00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:21,160 » Neither am I. I'm standing by my vote. >> Yeah. 803 00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:28,000 » Gosh. >> Can I ask a question? 804 00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:30,360 » Yeah, I mean yeah. There's nothing There's no motions 805 00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:33,280 pending or anything right now. No action has been taken. The item The item is 806 00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:37,680 still open. So >> On on H and I I don't know who would 807 00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:42,400 answer this, but when you establish an HOA, that's when 808 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:48,280 you establish the HOA rules or is there a template guideline of the state says 809 00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:51,240 you can do this, that, or this is what they they have to be? 810 00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:55,480 » From the city from the city's perspective in this condition that's 811 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:59,480 being written, they the applicant would have to provide the documents for the 812 00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:03,000 creation of the of the HOA. There's certainly up-front fees in doing that. 813 00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:05,920 Um as far as the rules, there's there's 814 00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:10,240 typically you know, there's state requirements to have an HOA, and then 815 00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:14,080 there's you know, the typical There's what I call it, like boiler plate, you 816 00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:17,520 know, this is what you can do, and then depending on 817 00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:22,040 certain things you would add, you you would add certain requirements into it. 818 00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:25,280 As was mentioned, what typically happens is the developer 819 00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:30,920 runs the HOA at the beginning, and then it's intended to be taken over by 820 00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:33,640 residents themselves. Um and 821 00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:36,920 you know, for many reasons, you know, these cities require that these HOAs be 822 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:41,120 put in the place. In some cases, developers want to put these into place. 823 00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:44,400 Um so from our perspective, all we're 824 00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:47,680 looking at, we don't we don't regulate the HOA rules, we don't regulate the 825 00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:51,600 requirements, we just make sure that they did the process and it's before 826 00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:54,600 they in this case, before they receive a final. 827 00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:57,920 Um as far as what happens down the road with the HOA, 828 00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:01,560 um there really is no follow-up from the city standpoint in terms of making sure 829 00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:06,160 that they stay active and that they're paying their dues. We don't get involved 830 01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,160 in that. It's a private matter. 831 01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,320 » Can I ask the question of the broker before I 832 01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:15,160 or >> Um Ms. Lane, are are you 833 01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:17,600 we have another question for you. Are you okay with 834 01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,120 » Yes. >> Okay. 835 01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:25,560 » Is there anything uh everything you mentioned was 836 01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:29,800 I guess for lack of a better word, right? A con. 837 01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:36,040 Is there any positives that you would think or you would say as a broker, as a 838 01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:40,200 as a listing agent uh that HOA would help? 839 01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:47,840 » Um for this particular matter, no. And let me just clarify because I this is 840 01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:53,320 not a traditional HOA. A traditional HOA would mean that it is a common interest 841 01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:59,800 development. That means that that the association owns property, owns 842 01:00:56,560 --> 01:01:04,440 sidewalks, owns streets, landscaping, gates, all of that. In this particular 843 01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:08,680 one, it is not. It's considered a non-CID. 844 01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:15,280 And the hardest thing here is it doesn't change anything in terms of like the 845 01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:19,840 CCNRs. The only reason why under this under the conditions of approval, it 846 01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:25,920 states that the only things that were to be as part of the association was to 847 01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:31,480 maintain their front yards, which is a tiny little patch, no grass. It's It's 848 01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:37,880 bark and some shrubs. Um the back gate that is the gate that 849 01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:41,960 goes from the alley to their backyard. And 850 01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:48,560 uh the side gate, kind of like the neighbor fence gate on the side of lot 851 01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:53,240 one and the side of lot six. That's it. So, this association in a sense would 852 01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:57,440 end up being a um made solely to take care of three 853 01:01:56,240 --> 01:02:03,800 items, which is the reason why from for us it's 854 01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:09,040 like it's it's a waste. And I say it's a waste because we know well that if the 855 01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:15,320 homeowners were taking care of their own gate, their own uh front yard, and their 856 01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:19,880 own fencing, it's not it would not cost them $200 a month. 857 01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:26,040 But we're going to force these people to pay a fee that we know darn well that 858 01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:30,480 the cost to maintain that little front yard and those gates, which those gates 859 01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:35,120 are not going to need to be replaced for many, many years, including the side 860 01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:41,680 fence, it's a burden. So, I kind of feel I feel bad, to be honest, because it's 861 01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:47,280 not anything else and unlike a true HOA, which you do have common area, 862 01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:51,920 um that's what the association is for and that's what takes care of that and 863 01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:58,440 making them look pretty. And I agree with you guys in the sense that if this 864 01:02:54,200 --> 01:03:05,440 truly was a true HOA and and the HOA owned common area, I would be 100% all 865 01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:09,200 for the HOA. But this is not. This is strictly only to take care of three 866 01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:13,720 things and we're going to end up burdening these people. We're trying to 867 01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:19,880 make these these townhomes affordable. And adding another 868 01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:24,600 um $200 a month doesn't help and at the end of the day it could end up falling 869 01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:27,760 apart and my fear is like I have a feeling they're going to go to the city 870 01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:33,920 and they're going to complain about it when somebody else is in taking care of. 871 01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:38,720 I kind of feel this is more of a an issue that potentially could end up 872 01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:45,960 coming back to use rather than letting them take care of it themselves because 873 01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:49,640 200 is not going towards uh yes it's going to take care of the the 874 01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:55,000 landscaping in the front but again keep in mind there's no grass. Grass is 875 01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:59,400 probably the heavy in terms of maintenance maintenance it's probably 876 01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:03,560 the one item that I would say yeah it takes weekly mowing but when you're 877 01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:09,160 dealing with a small little landscape area that consists of nothing but bark 878 01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:12,560 and some shrubs that are planted I mean you're talking you're watering it 879 01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:16,400 and it's tied into their own water meters. 880 01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:20,440 So that's why for me it's like I feel it would be more of a burden it is not your 881 01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:26,840 true association a homeowners association it is a non CID. 882 01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:32,240 I don't know if that kind of helps answer some of the concerns. 883 01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:38,920 » Thank you for that. >> Can we go back to the picture of the um 884 01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:42,000 the house just a second. I don't I don't have it in my pocket. 885 01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:47,800 This one? Yeah can we have that one? 886 01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:53,480 » Let me see if I can put that up for you. 887 01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,160 Should have it. 888 01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:21,040 » Looking for the L the elevation page? >> Yeah. 889 01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:24,200 » Okay. >> Color one. 890 01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,200 » Sure. 891 01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:03,080 » So, the first motion did that die or can we Okay. 892 01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:08,320 » At this point the commission should make a new motion 893 01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:12,000 either approving either removing the condition of 894 01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:14,520 approval or maintaining the condition of approval. 895 01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:19,640 » Okay, I don't want to This is going to be like a ballot board. No means yes and 896 01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:25,240 yes means no. >> So, it would be motion to keep the 897 01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:29,440 condition of approval as is if you want the HOA to remain or you would say 898 01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:34,360 motion to remove condition of approval number 27 to remove the 899 01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:40,240 HOA condition from the project. 900 01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:45,480 » Okay, I make a motion to remove approval number 27 from the conditions 901 01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:47,720 of approval. Um 902 01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:53,080 » I'll second that. >> Okay, we have another motion and another 903 01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:55,960 second. May we have a roll call vote again, please? 904 01:06:59,960 --> 01:07:05,440 » Yes. >> Commissioner Lupita? 905 01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:08,840 » No. >> Commissioner 906 01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:12,520 Commissioner >> Yes. 907 01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:15,240 » Uh Vice Chairman Dawson? >> No. 908 01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:18,200 » And Chair Garcia? >> Yes. 909 01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:22,320 » Thank you. >> There you go. So motion has passed 3-2 910 01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:26,920 uh removing the condition of approval number 27 requiring future use. 911 01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:35,440 » Ooh, that was interesting. Okay, um we can go now to comments from Planning 912 01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:37,920 Commission and staff. Staff, would you like to start? 913 01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:41,840 » Um >> comments for us. 914 01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:46,760 » Sure. As you know from since the time we met last, I mean the biggest thing is of 915 01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:52,360 course HCD approval of the moratorium. Uh we still have a number of projects 916 01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:58,880 that are in process. Um the the uh former Cheeser spot on um Walnut 917 01:07:56,160 --> 01:08:02,880 Avenue is progressing along. Um the storage facility 918 01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:08,280 the Extra Space Storage on El Camino is moving very quickly. The Poppy project 919 01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:12,760 is also moving very quickly up on up in that area uh for the the the fuel 920 01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:15,960 and the convenience store. Um 921 01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:19,240 and then there are a number of other ADUs that are under construction and the 922 01:08:17,839 --> 01:08:23,600 project we just discussed under construction, but um 923 01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:28,000 for the most part, I mean that those the that that's the the the list. Um 924 01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:32,560 of course there's work that will continue on the 925 01:08:30,440 --> 01:08:38,000 plan. I think uh City Manager gave a update briefly last time, but uh 926 01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:41,759 plans are still in design and then we'll they're hoping to go to bid and then, 927 01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:46,759 you know, hopefully start construction and it will be you know, I think it's 928 01:08:44,480 --> 01:08:51,200 over a two two-year period until that plan is completed. We do have a few 929 01:08:48,839 --> 01:08:54,520 requirements with HCD that we have to comply with. There's an annual report 930 01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:58,799 that has to go in. There's some amendments to the housing element itself 931 01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:02,080 that we have to make. Uh you will likely be seeing those next month at the 932 01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:08,160 Planning Commission meeting. Uh they're all related to having to change some of 933 01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:15,799 our narratives about the uh our ability to provide services and also a priority 934 01:09:11,440 --> 01:09:19,600 list if by some chance we get sewer and we can only accommodate a part of the we 935 01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:23,200 have to create a list to basically of everybody that's waiting for a sewer 936 01:09:21,480 --> 01:09:26,880 connection and then has to be prioritized affordable housing first, 937 01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:33,520 other housing second, and then commercial last. Um and then um if 938 01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:37,359 capacity for whatever reason wasn't enough to accommodate all the requests, 939 01:09:35,799 --> 01:09:42,799 we we would be prioritizing them. It's our understanding that the plan that the 940 01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:47,000 day that the plant would go online, our capacity would increase to 2 million 941 01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:49,880 gallons, which is well beyond what our requests for services are. 942 01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:55,840 Um so that's been the primary activity 943 01:09:53,080 --> 01:10:00,000 um here um with department is just dealing with the fact that um there's 944 01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:04,360 there's and with that a significant reduction in permit revenue, 945 01:10:02,440 --> 01:10:08,280 um which was addressed during the budget process. So um 946 01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:12,160 you know, there are there were a number of vacancies, as you know, um over the 947 01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:15,320 last few months in the planning department. And at this point, because 948 01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:20,360 of the state of the moratorium, there there really are no plans to fill those 949 01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:23,800 uh in in the near near future, um knowing that permit activity and 950 01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:27,040 permit revenue is going to be down significantly. 951 01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:29,560 Um but happy to answer any other questions 952 01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:33,240 about any other sites that you would like to, but 953 01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:37,120 um if they haven't gotten a permit yet, they're not getting a permit now. 954 01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:40,840 » I have a question about a site. >> Mhm. 955 01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:45,200 » We approved about three three over 3 years ago on this 956 01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:51,280 on this uh building down down by the 957 01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:54,960 upper center or what's that? That little market huh? 958 01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:58,320 Is there was going to be a bar or nightclub in there? 959 01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:02,320 It's still it's still nothing in there. 960 01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:04,840 They took all the signs off and everything. 961 01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:07,280 » The tap house. >> We're told that the hold up on that was 962 01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:11,560 PG&E. >> Yeah, but they took the the 963 01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:16,120 they took the I know what you're saying. They took the the 964 01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:20,474 license away. Yeah. But I can't believe the PG&E take that 965 01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:24,520 many years to >> [laughter] 966 01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:28,560 » Well, no cuz a lot of them are doing a pretty fast now. 967 01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:32,520 » I mean, look how long it took them to do that one over there where Dumbledews and 968 01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:35,400 that Chester Chicken. Look how long it took them to do that. They bought their 969 01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:42,200 own generators. >> Yeah, but then they finally did it and 970 01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:45,080 then wasn't it maybe not 3 years, but >> Okay. 971 01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:48,800 » I don't know. I was just curious about that building. 972 01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:52,520 It's all >> All right. 973 01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:55,160 » So, I know an encroachment permit was pulled 974 01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:59,520 so they can try to complete. My understanding from the owner is that 975 01:11:57,440 --> 01:12:02,560 PG&E is working on it. Uh so, now it's just a matter of getting 976 01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:06,680 the work done. And so, once they connect, then we'll be 977 01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:13,600 able to final the shell building because it's not right ready to be used, but the 978 01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:19,320 tenant improvement permit was pulled for that uh brewery or 979 01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:24,280 um so, once they have um the connection, then the tenant 980 01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:28,160 improvements can begin for for that business. 981 01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:28,160 » Do 982 01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:36,120 Do you know do they have to reapply to get the license alcoholic license? 983 01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:39,760 » Um the condition of approval uh Brent for the alcoholic license once they have 984 01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:42,400 it, it's it's there for the life until removed, 985 01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:45,560 right? >> Alcoholic licenses generally sit with 986 01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:48,880 the site, but you're not allowed to just hold a license on a vacant property, but 987 01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:53,320 um we can certainly look into that. 988 01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:56,280 What is the status? >> that was posted. 989 01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:58,320 Mhm. >> Okay. 990 01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:02,400 » As far as the use permit from the city concerned, yes, it stays it runs with 991 01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:06,400 the land, but the ABC requirements as far as, you know, holding on to it or 992 01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:10,120 whatever, we can we will look into that for you. 993 01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:15,000 » Okay, so Bob, I have a few I'd like to ask. 994 01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:20,040 Okay, uh the first one is uh do you have any updates at all on the 995 01:13:17,440 --> 01:13:23,880 store at ECR and Oak where they might came in with the lawyer and he was 996 01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:27,120 reasonable. People were reasonable kind of had a problem with the 997 01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:30,000 » The buyer building? >> Yeah, the buyer building. 998 01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:33,480 Any updates on that? >> Mhm, they did submit a permit and it's 999 01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:35,680 still under review. We have not issued a permit for it yet. 1000 01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:38,800 » I mean, it looks like they haven't progressed very much on that. 1001 01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:42,280 It's a It looks vacant. Okay. 1002 01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:50,200 How about the the museum? Any updates on the museum? 1003 01:13:52,280 --> 01:14:00,600 » I know it's a public works project and I believe that they were waiting on funds 1004 01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:05,560 to try to complete cuz the permit that was issued and completed was to set it 1005 01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:08,840 on foundation, which was done, but any other services we'd probably have to 1006 01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:13,040 reach out to public works. >> Okay. 1007 01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:16,600 How about the park at 12th and Apple? They received a grant for that. Are they 1008 01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:19,480 progressing on that at all? >> The community The community center 1009 01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:22,840 project, yes. So, the community center project 1010 01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:26,000 um they're going through final design. The 1011 01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:30,840 we had a meeting today with the grant with the state grant people. Um they're 1012 01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:36,080 environmental. So, when the grant was submitted, um 1013 01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:40,280 we used all the the environmental review from the previous projects 1014 01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:44,440 uh to clear it with the state. Since this involves federal funds, it requires 1015 01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:47,280 NEPA, which is different than CEQA. There's some different forms that have 1016 01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:51,320 to be filled out. There's tribal consultation that has to be completed. 1017 01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:56,600 Um so, we had a meeting today on that. It is moving forward, but as it's funded 1018 01:14:53,520 --> 01:15:00,640 through through federal funds, it takes time to get this money. 1019 01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:03,080 Um but, it is progressing. The plans have been progressing. 1020 01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:09,080 Um and of course, it needs One of the 1021 01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:14,040 issues here is also the moratorium. Um So, in the ordinance that the city 1022 01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:16,800 council set, um grant-funded projects may move forward, 1023 01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:21,360 but there's going to have to be provision for temporary facilities if if 1024 01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:24,400 the building is completed before the moratorium is completed. 1025 01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:30,032 » Okay. Okay, so I have one last one here. 1026 01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:32,200 Uh a few weeks back, >> [clears throat] 1027 01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:35,960 » I drove up to Modesto to see uh Paul Negan's son play, 1028 01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:41,240 Michael. He's uh play He was playing professional 1029 01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:45,440 baseball with the Modesto rosters. Unfortunately, like I said, we drove up 1030 01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:49,027 We had a special trip for that. They were doing their warm-ups, and he 1031 01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:51,360 pulled a muscle and he didn't play. >> [laughter] 1032 01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:55,440 » He didn't play. So, then I got a hold of him just the 1033 01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:59,040 other day, and I told him that uh Well, last week, I told him that I was going 1034 01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:01,560 to drive up there again this past weekend to see him play, and then he 1035 01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:05,160 said, "Unfortunately, he got cut from the 1036 01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:08,320 team." So, But, I told him, "Keep your dream alive. 1037 01:16:07,480 --> 01:16:13,360 Say your dad wants you to do that." 1038 01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:16,440 That's it. >> Thank you. Um 1039 01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:23,320 So, you mentioned California Gourmet Pizza. Do you have an ETA on when we 1040 01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:27,360 will be having a pitcher of beer and a pepperoni? 1041 01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:31,760 » I don't. I'll go get that in the updates there. 1042 01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:33,920 » Um they are progressing. Um Um 1043 01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:37,120 their permit is issued. We're just waiting to get the final inspections, 1044 01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:41,200 but it's still going to be a little while. I I can't exactly say exactly how 1045 01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:45,400 long, but they are progressing. >> Okay. 1046 01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:50,080 » PG&E has anything to do with it, maybe a couple more years. 1047 01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:55,280 » Okay, so if there's no other uh commission comments, uh we don't usually 1048 01:16:52,240 --> 01:17:00,440 do this, but I'd like to um close this meeting in honor of Salvador 1049 01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:04,960 Zavala, a long-time Greenfield business owner and father of 1050 01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:07,640 his son. Meeting adjourned.