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I'd like to welcome everyone to the August 13th, 2026 meeting in the Greenville City Council. I'm Mayor P.J.

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Colleague, a presided number tonight's meeting. First, I'd like to call on Mayor Potent Forman for the

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invocation followed by the pledge of allegiance.

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Thank you, Mayor. I was reminded this week of my why and oftentimes that we don't remember what the reason

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is that we do this work. And so I was led to share with us tonight first

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Corinthians 13 and it goes as if I speak in tongues of men or of angels but do

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not have love.

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I'm only over sounding gong or simple clanking. If I have the

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faith and can move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.

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If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship.

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That I may boast only, but do not have love. I've gained nothing.

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Love is patient, love is kind, love does not envy. It does not boast, it does not proud.

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It does not dishonor others. It is not self-seeking. It is not easily angered.

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It keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil, but rejoices in truth.

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It always protects, always trust, always hopes, and it always perseveres.

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And my favorite part of this is verse 8 that says, love never fails.

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Please stand for the pledge of allegiance.

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Aye, it's states of America.

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And it's either a public or which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible with liberty and justice

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for all.

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Madam Clerk, would you please call the roll?

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Yes, sir, Mayor Connelly.

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Mayor for Temphorman.

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Here.

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Councilmember Jones.

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Here.

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Councilmember Hardy.

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Councilmember Scully is let us know he will not be attending this evening.

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Councilmember Robinson.

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Here.

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Councilmember Willis.

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All right.

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Mayor Connelly of a corner.

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Thank you very much.

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We'll now move on to approval of tonight's agenda.

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Mr. Mayor, any recommend changes?

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I have no changes there.

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All right.

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Done.

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Motion to approve.

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Motion to approve.

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Second.

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All right.

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Motion to make.

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But Councilmember Jones.

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And by Councilmember Robinson.

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All those favors say aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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I suppose say nay.

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Motion passes five zero.

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and move on to special recognitions.

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Like to ask Glenn Wooten to come forward?

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I'm Pamela.

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So it is my honor to recognize Glenn Wooten for his retirement from the City of Greenville.

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And I'd just like to take a few minutes to read some comments that came directly from some

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of your co-workers, just about you.

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All right, Glenn.

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You began your work with the city right out of high school and started when the public

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works department spent several years there and then transitioned over to the recreation

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and parks department. Over the course of your career, Glenn, you're a valuable member of the

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team and built a reputation for doing things the right way. Now they say, if you know Glenn,

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You know that his truck and his tools were trio like Fort Knox, and everything was always locked up,

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organized, and exactly where it belonged.

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Glenn is an incredibly skilled welder, and craftsman, and someone who takes pride in his work.

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As a building facility technician, and the department's chief playwright ground inspector,

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He made sure the facilities were safe, clean, and ready for the use by the public.

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When also spent his time mentoring younger employees throughout his career, passing on

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his eye for detail and workplace knowledge, the attention to detail and willingness to

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teach others are some of Glenn's greatest qualities as an employee, and Glenn, we were fortunate

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enough to spend some time together a couple of weeks ago, and I told you at that point in

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time that I felt that there was no greater gift in your life than to serve others, and

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clearly that number of years you have gone above and beyond a sort of this community and

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touched the lives of people that you'll never know, but now after reading all the great things

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that your department had to say about you, I'd say also with that there's no greater

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honor than the half individuals that you have worked around for years talk so great about

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what type of person you are not just worker but have what kind of person you are.

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So on behalf of the City Council and the City Management Office and Recreation Parks, congratulations

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and God bless you.

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Thank you for everything you've done for the City Greenville.

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I'm going to try to get this right without dropping in break in it because it's got the

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mayor and my name and my name on it says, in recognition of 29 years and 8 months of

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outstanding service. We extend our sincere appreciation to Ronald

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Glenn Wooten. Congratulations.

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All right. Now, if I could ask the members of the impact generates influence basketball team, but the 12

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you and the high school team to come forward, any members that we may have.

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I said earlier, I was, if I just had a little bit more time, I would have set that basketball

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goal up on the first floor, so we could have a game before the meeting started. It is also, my honor to

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recognize the IGI. That's what I'll say. The impact generates influence basketball team, both the 12-year team and the high school team.

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They are a local AU program with both the 12-year team again and a high school team.

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All year long teams go head to head with tough competition and always bringing their best.

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They have some awesome wins lately, and let me tell you about those.

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The 12-U team took home the 2025 National Championship in the high school team grabbed

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second place at Nationals this year, but Ajay is about more than just basketball.

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They really focus on teaching their players to work hard, make good choices, and stay true

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to themselves.

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The lessons learned on the court help shape what these athletes are and prepare them for whatever comes next in life.

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And now what I'd like to do is I might not be having everyone here but I would like to recognize those with the certificates.

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So I'm going to start with the 12-ute team and Council Member Tanya Foreman would like to present you with a certificate.

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Let me see if I can get this going right here.

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So we have Cruz, Errington,

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Dominney Byrom,

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Amari Smith,

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JJ Jones,

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Camari Farmer,

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Karis Smith,

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Jordan Smith, Zahann Cherry,

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Caden Tafft, Troy Harris, and Jeremiah Weems.

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What a great honor, guys.

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Let's give them a comment.

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right now we have the high school kids tried

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double-teamness, we have Brendan Porter,

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Isler,

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Jackson Foster,

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Jalen Rasko,

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Keyon Biel,

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Keishon Farmer,

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Landon Ashley,

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Loyalty

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four,

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and RKBU,

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Quay Bionum,

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Todd Daniels,

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and where's Coach Air?

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We're the Antoine Air.

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Come on up, dude.

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And Coach Smith, Tony.

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So now I'll turn it over to council members.

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I just want to make sure that these teams are acknowledged for their hard work, their commitment and excellence, as well as the coaches and the families that have supported them to accomplish these goals.

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These are great accomplishments that they work very hard for. I'm proud of you guys.

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Also, I want to echo that too. Congratulations, guys. It's awesome to be able to see you guys

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competing at such a high level, represent our community, going out there and showing good

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sportsmanship. Thank you to the coaches. The coaches are, they pour a lot of their time and effort

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into making sure that they teach you the game, but they're also teaching you other things, too,

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that you're going to take the rest of your life. So thank you for doing that and stepping up.

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It's not easy. It's a huge time commitment. I know that it's tough sometimes. You have to take off work,

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But it's good, and I think these guys will appreciate everything that you've done over the season and they're going to continue to look back at you as a good role model for making them better in life as they get older.

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So thank you.

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Alright, now I did invite the 252 ladies warms up here, come on ladies, alright,

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these young ladies are

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form in the stage.

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All right, again, it is my honor to recognize the 252 lady's form, is a local, a local

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AU team that has achieved remarkable success in their inaugural year of competition.

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The team is made up of players from Pitt County, many of whom have previously played

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together in all-star leagues and tournaments.

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With a regular season record of 16 and 5, they earned the opportunity to compete at

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nationals in Virginia Beach.

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They came second to a more seasonal and experienced team, just shot of the championship

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by one point, which is basically winning.

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Their outstanding performance is a tournament to their strong work ethic, determination,

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and discipline.

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Now I would also like to recognize each of you young ladies and

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present you with a certificate.

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We have a scholar Zachary,

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London Pears,

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Shinai Heath,

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and I love this name.

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Carmen E. Corden,

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I have to get my spell checker.

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Get all my spell checker.

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Oh, you're a dodgy, uh, leaving.

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So I want to reiterate the congratulations that I have for these young ladies. I have seen them play, and these are some real ballers you all.

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Also, I want to elevate Mia Perry because I understand that she was the highest score, as well as, um, had the most rebounds, is that correct?

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Uh-huh.

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She's acting shy.

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So I want to elevate her for that and, um, and congratulate the coaches also.

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Thank you guys for everything you do in our community.

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Congratulations, ladies again.

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I'm not going to say that I who it was, but I talked to one of the ladies up here and I asked

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if they could take the guys and they gave me a yes, so hey, I'm just saying, so if something

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takes place in the parking lot down there, I get it, okay.

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Hank, congratulations, ladies.

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We're really proud of you.

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I think it's awesome.

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The accomplishment that you were able to accomplish with a cabinet second place.

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That's awesome.

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Hey, the one thing I always tell my girls, I'm a coach, I coach softball.

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One thing I always tell them is, is when you lose, make sure you take that the next game

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that you play and make you work even harder so that next time you're the one celebrating

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you're not the one with your heads down crying and upset that you didn't win, make sure that

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you always work as hard as you possibly can because it will translate from what you do on the

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basketball court into life and make sure that you work as hard as you possibly can because anything

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that you want to do in life you're going to accomplish and never forget that. Congratulations.

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I'm going to give it to you.

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I'm going to give it to you.

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I'm going to give it to you.

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I'm going to give it to you.

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All right.

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It's my turn.

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We'll be the last time.

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I hear the lady's warm time.

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They got a team.

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I hope there's some ballers.

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That's really good.

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They really did.

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I got the inside track.

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He would be the one who's the first to hear.

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I'm probably the one who's the first to hear.

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He's the first to hear.

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He can hear the bass, so we have one.

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I love to see.

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love to see. And they're at various schools around the city, so can you play basketball?

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I was a pull-in car. Are you? Are you a good shooter?

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I want to. Yeah. I want to imagine. Yeah.

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Do you break some ankles? I was with Dennis Rodman every day.

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I'm pretty good for us. I'm going to have to look up some of that footage.

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All right, all right, we'll move on to the public

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computer.

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The public count period is a period reserved for

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comms by the public items that were scheduled to be

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submitted to the public hearing conducted this evening or

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another evening or the same week shall not be discussed.

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A total of 30 minutes is allocated with each individual being

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allowed no more than three minutes.

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Individuals who register will speak, register with a city clerk will

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speak in the order register to tell you a lot of 30 minutes.

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Expires.

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If time remains after all persons have a sort of spoken,

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individuals who are not registered will have an opportunity to

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We can tell you a lot of 30 minutes expires, Madam Clerk, our first speaker.

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Yes, our first speaker is Ms. Gwen Green, we have 30 minutes to address the Mayor and

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Council at that podium right there.

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Mayor Connelly, Mayor Pro Tim Forman, City Council members, City staff and members of the community.

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Good evening.

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Good evening.

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I'm Gwen Green, I'm a Green Go resident and I think of myself as being invested and

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involved community member.

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I serve in organizations like Delta Sigma Theta Swording, I serve on many communities.

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The National Council of Negro Women, where I serve on the Budget and Finance Committee.

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I'm a regular volunteer at my church, coining the Eucharist and Center. I also volunteered with the

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West Greenville Health Council where I co-wrote the proposal that brought face masks, hand sanitizer,

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and other supplies to nonprofits, community organizations, and churches, along with now volunteer

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with Pastor Rodney Coz of the Church's Outreach Network to establish children's book clubs and

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after school programs. We're hoping to disrupt the school to prison pipeline.

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And before I move here some 12 years ago, I volunteered with a number of other volunteer organizations

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including a community development board and a redevelopment board and total transparency.

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I also serve as a commissioner on the housing authority of Greenville and in fact serve as this chair.

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Tonight, however, in the time I have left, I'd like to lay the fears of some of the city

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counselors.

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The Housing Authority staff truly are working every day to provide safe, decent housing for

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our residents.

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I will concede to you that they're working under some very difficult circumstances.

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Most of our facilities are some 40, 50 years old. It gets real hard to fix those up.

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And clean them up to the standard that we would all like to live in.

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However,

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I'd like to address a couple of other issues that were raised in your work session.

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One of which was the Inspire Report.

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As it was presented, it truly was pretty alarming.

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However, I want you to know the housing authority staff was responsive

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to all the issues that were outlined in the Inspire Reports.

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Life threatening issues as defined by HUD include

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smoke detectors, GFCI replacements, rust on electrical panels, all of which have to be repaired or replaced within 24 hours.

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While non-threatening issues must be corrected within 30 days.

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That's time.

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You keep going.

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So the reports for 2024 were corrected within 24 hours for things like smoke detectors and GFCI units,

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including a water heater flute that had a downward slope.

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They were corrected.

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I've got the details here for you.

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And a boxback there in case someone here would like

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to see the paperwork itself.

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Ask to the finances.

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Financial reports are provided, presented,

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and accepted at every meeting.

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Reports on red collection and defaults are discussed

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because that too is a key responsibility

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the housing authority to collect the rents, and by federal mandate and outside audit is conducted

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annually by a reputable financial organization that is actually switched out every three years

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to ensure that we are going to get fair representation of the work that we're doing.

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The latest audit was conducted by Rector, Lofton and Reeder for the fiscal year 2025,

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And I'll read very quickly, their opinion.

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In our opinion, the accompanying financial statements referred to a

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bug present fairly in all materials respects the respective financial

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position of the business type activities of the housing authority, the city

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of Greenville, as of September 30, 2025, and the respective changes in financial

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position and where applicable, cash flows there off of the year then ended in

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accordance with accounting principles generally accepted in the United States of

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As to a work order process, none of us are satisfied with the existing process.

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The Board receives a work order report every month.

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It gets discussed if not every meeting, then every other meeting.

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The need for a better system is without question, need it.

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However, the housing authority is going through a total software transition.

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The transition is being phased in so that we want to make sure that things like grant funding

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is being accounted for properly, that our accounts receivables and account payables that

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it's working.

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And so if you will, the deadline for all of this phasing in will be completed by December

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of 2026, but you got to give us time.

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We're not satisfied with the process as it currently is, we want tenants, we want...

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Our residents, to be able to know that their work order has been accepted. Finally, as I know

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I'm running out of time, I've reached out to our Mayor Pro Tim, at our last board meeting. I stated

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that we needed to get into a better relationship with the city, that it would not be possible

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to easily build brand new structures brand new homes without support from the city. Members of

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City Council, I stand here this evening telling you, I suffer with housing authority envy.

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I envy the Durham housing authority, because right now they've got three developments

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in process, various stages of development, one of which includes the hay-tie village, which

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some of you may remember and recall that's Durham's market,

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Black Wall Street, I'm sorry.

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There are many phrases that come to mind to describe the current situation.

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I think a failure to communicate at this point in time probably says it best.

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And so it is that I ask that a meeting be held with the housing authority to better

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understand not only what is being done, but what has been accomplished and what we'd

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like to see going forward.

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Though there have been some quarterly managers meeting with city staff clearly there needs

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to be more.

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So that respectful and respected lines of communication can be established.

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I thank you all for listening.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Ms. Green.

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Madam Clerk, our next speaker.

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We do not have any additional registered speakers.

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Anyone else that like to speak to our public commentator?

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Please come forward.

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State your name for the record.

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You have three minutes.

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All right. So you know we'll close public commentary.

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We'll move on to our appointments.

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Madam Clerk?

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Yes, our first appointment that we have is to the

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best Greenville board that's a nomination made by you, Mayor Connelly.

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I would like to re-appoint Mr. Robert Cherry.

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You'll need some help.

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I need a motion.

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Motion to a point, Robert Cherry.

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All right.

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Mr. B. May.

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Councilmember Robinson.

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Second by Councillor Jones.

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All those have ever said aye.

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All right.

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Let's pose aye.

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Motion passes five zero.

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Congratulations, Mr. Cherry.

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Okay.

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And that concludes appointments from best Greenville.

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Can

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you roll right at a number of all?

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Board's and Commission's Board of Adjustment, Council number Jones.

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I would like to nominate the G. and Lewis.

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All right, is there a second?

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All right, I'm interested in the May of my Council member Jones.

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Same by Council member Hardy, all those of you who say aye.

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Aye.

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Let's pose say nay.

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Motion passes five zero.

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Gradulations in the G. Jones.

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Look, Lewis.

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Yeah.

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Let's start today.

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Next, we have the Environmental Advisory Commission that appointment is assigned to Council Member

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Scully, so we will check with him next month.

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Next, we have the Historic Preservation Commission, Council Member Hardy.

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We do have the Housing Authority appointment, however that is for the resident commission

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or seat and we are still waiting on an nomination from the resident's council, so I don't

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I have one to give to you tonight.

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Multimodal Transportation Commission,

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Council Member Jones.

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I'll let you continue that one.

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Also, Multimodal Transportation Commission,

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Mayor for Time Forman.

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I would like to nominate Johnathan Mati.

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Second.

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All right.

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Motion's been made by Mayor Proton and Forman,

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second by Council Member Robison,

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all those of ever say hi.

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All right.

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Let's pose, say nay.

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Motion passes by zero.

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Congratulations, Mr. Mati.

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OK.

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Next, well no, it's so multi-model transportation commission, Councillor Hardy.

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Okay.

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Next we have the Pick Rable Convention and Visitors Authority, Councillor Robinson.

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Attend a big ritual within before I make that decision.

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And she just got in, so I'm going to do that so I now it's happy to take it.

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Okay.

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Yes, sir.

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Okay.

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Next we have the Planning and Zoning Commission, Mayor for Temforman.

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I'll continue that one.

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Okay,

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police community relations committee, Councillor Robinson.

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I'm thinking of that, please.

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Okay, yes, sir.

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Recreation and parks also, Councillor Robinson.

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I would nominate Ryan Fields.

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All right, is there a second?

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I think I heard those.

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I think I heard a split second there.

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Much has been made by Councillor Robinson,

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saying by Councillor Jones, all those if they were saying.

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Aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye. Posts, aye, aye. Motion passes five, zero. Graduation, Mr. Fields. All right, Mayor Conley, that concludes appointment.

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Thank you very much. We will now move onto new business, which are the public hearings. This is the policy of the public hearings adopt by the city council,

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petitioner, or representative of the petitioner and a leader of those in opposition will each have ten minutes.

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Pursus following them will have up to three minutes each with a total for each side and then more than thirty minutes.

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Additionally, I want to remind those in attendance extend the courtesy to persons speaking during the public hearing and the city council are in discussions.

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Comments made by members of the public are to occur only during the public hearing as allowed by the mayor and the courts with adopt policy of the city council.

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There should be no interruptions of speakers or council members including expressions of support or disagreements of earlier by applause.

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This is distracting and makes discussion difficult. We ask for your cooperation. Thank you.

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Mr. Manager, our first public hearing.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Item number six, ordinance to annex cobblestone south involving 2.2168 acres.

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Look at East Ovalon Road and at the current terminus of Quail Drop, now call forward, our

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city planner, D.I. Hodge, for the presentation.

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Good evening Mayor and council.

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Good evening.

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Good evening.

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I like it.

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I like it.

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This property is located in the southwestern quadrant of the city.

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More specifically, this property is located East Ovalon Road, not the current terminus

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well drive. The current city limits are showing green. The subject property is shown in red.

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This property is located in the Greens Mill Run watershed. This property is located in the primary

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service area on the tiered growth map and will be located in city council building district number two.

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This property is anticipated to yield 10 single family lots with an estimated tax value of 3.25

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million dollars. And that's this property is located in the ETJ. It is important to note

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that under Section 6 of GUC's charter, the development can still be provided sanitary

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sewer if the annexation is denied and I'd be happy to answer any questions. Any questions?

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Can you go back to the first,

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I'm sorry, the first map, the first map,

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and that's the

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any questions?

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Thank you very much. All right, the moment here is now open, those speak

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on behalf of the applicant may come forward, please state your name for the record. First

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person has 10 minutes, all others have three minutes.

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Seeing none, those in opposition to the

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applicant may come forward, please state your name for the record. The first person has 10 minutes,

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all others have three minutes.

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Seeing none, the moment here is now closed up and for board

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discussion or motion? I should do a brief second. All right, no should have been made by Council

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and we'll take my council member Robinson in the discussion.

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All those in favor say aye.

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This vote is aye.

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Motion passes five.

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Number seven.

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All right.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Item number seven.

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Ordnest and excellent.

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Deau east section five.

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Phase two involving 10.7 on acres.

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Locate at the current terminal of Remington Drive.

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In stone, hinge, drive.

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Again, call for it.

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Our city planter beyond hodge for the presentation.

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So this property is located in the south eastern quadrant of the city.

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More specifically, this property is located at the current terminal of Remington Drive and Stone

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Hens Drive. The current city limits are shown in green. The subject property is shown in red.

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This property is located in the Fort Swamp Watershed. This property is located in the primary

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service area on the tiered growth map and will be located in city council building district number four.

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This property is anticipated to yield 21 single-family lots within estimated tax value of $14.7 million.

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And as this property is located in the ETA, it is important to note that under Section 6 of GEC's Charter,

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the development can still be provided sanitary sewer if the annexation is denied.

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And I'd be happy to answer any questions.

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Any questions for us or not?

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Just one.

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You anticipate that when they're built out, that they will connect the Stone Tange so they connect it out to Ireland.

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Exactly.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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Public hearing is now open. Those that speak on behalf of the applicant may come forward.

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Please state your name for the record. The person has 10 minutes. All others have three minutes.

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Good evening.

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I'm Dwight. We're in Elxon with Rivers and Associates. We're the agent for the owner.

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And be glad to answer any questions you may.

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That's all.

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All right, any questions?

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I don't see.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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That was a great presentation.

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That was my favorite.

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All right.

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Anyone else to hear to speak on behalf of the applicant

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may come forward, please state your name for the record.

485
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You have three minutes.

486
00:41:12,780 --> 00:41:13,160
See none?

487
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,140
Those are not positioned to the applicant

488
00:41:14,140 --> 00:41:15,460
may come forward, please state your name for the record.

489
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:16,360
The first person has ten minutes.

490
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,340
All others have three minutes.

491
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:28,760
See none?

492
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,000
Public hearing staff closed up before board discussion or motion?

493
00:41:32,140 --> 00:41:32,640
Motion to approve.

494
00:41:32,980 --> 00:41:33,260
Second.

495
00:41:33,260 --> 00:41:35,400
I'm Washington, B.A. by Council Member Hardy,

496
00:41:35,580 --> 00:41:37,300
saying by Council Member Roberts any other discussion.

497
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:40,260
All those in favor say aye.

498
00:41:40,780 --> 00:41:41,520
Those opposed say aye.

499
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,120
Motion passes five zero.

500
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,400
All right, let's move on to item eight.

501
00:41:45,700 --> 00:41:46,080
Thank you, Mayor.

502
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:46,820
Item number eight.

503
00:41:46,820 --> 00:41:48,320
Ordinance requested by P.O.

504
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:49,440
B.O. L.C.

505
00:41:49,580 --> 00:41:53,460
to reason a total of 56.369 for acres from

506
00:41:53,460 --> 00:41:56,760
R.A.20 residential air culture to industry.

507
00:41:57,060 --> 00:42:00,940
To industry for track 1, 47.5, 795 acres.

508
00:42:00,940 --> 00:42:20,380
to O-Dash C-A office conservation overlay for track 2, 8.6062 acres and to O-O-Pas for track 3-0.1837 acres for the property located at the north east corner of the intersection of old creek road and tram road.

509
00:42:20,380 --> 00:42:24,220
cost forward our assistant director Shantai Gooby for the presentation.

510
00:42:29,580 --> 00:42:30,500
All right, good evening.

511
00:42:30,740 --> 00:42:31,700
Good evening.

512
00:42:32,900 --> 00:42:37,300
This property is located in the northeast quadrant of the city.

513
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,860
This more specifically located along Oak Creek roads.

514
00:42:41,060 --> 00:42:42,340
I just sort of took to the top left.

515
00:42:42,540 --> 00:42:43,920
That would be high-story Yale.

516
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,460
This resigning is divided into three different tracks.

517
00:42:47,700 --> 00:42:49,220
I'll go through them, but then I'll have a survey.

518
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:50,880
I'll give you a little bit more detail.

519
00:42:51,580 --> 00:43:09,140
But track one is the bulk of the property you have track two, which goes around the perimeter and then track three I have a blow up of that so we're just a teeny tiny little piece fair and we'll talk about why that's been proposed for just office.

520
00:43:09,140 --> 00:43:15,080
So, again, this is the breakdown of the different zoning

521
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,800
that they're asking for.

522
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,040
Track 1 is for industry.

523
00:43:19,940 --> 00:43:22,740
Track 2 is office with a conservation overlay.

524
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,520
And Track 3 is for clean office.

525
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,460
This is a photograph of the property.

526
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,520
So, Oak Creek Road would be sort of behind you.

527
00:43:36,820 --> 00:43:40,520
There is an activity center located along North Creek Road

528
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:46,920
activity centers are where commercial and even industrial is encouraged and

529
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:53,720
expected. Under the current zone, which is already 20, at full buildout, the number

530
00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:58,500
of trips will be roughly 1600, and at full buildout under the proposed

531
00:43:58,500 --> 00:44:06,140
zoning, the trips would be about 1548, so you have a net defaults of 48 or 43 trips.

532
00:44:06,140 --> 00:44:11,880
So because of that, when they did the initial analysis and it as a reproduction and trips,

533
00:44:12,060 --> 00:44:15,680
then they don't like further with the staff that you normally see.

534
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:21,980
The property is located in the second.

535
00:44:22,380 --> 00:44:27,700
The Johnsonville Parker's Creek watershed, if storm water is required, it will require

536
00:44:27,700 --> 00:44:28,800
10-year detention.

537
00:44:29,460 --> 00:44:35,520
The property is not located in a special flood hazard area and there are no potential wetlands,

538
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:42,560
buffers or streams. Again, the property is currently zoned or a 20. I want to briefly talk

539
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:50,120
about track 2 because that's a conservation area. Overlay that is typically not a rezoning

540
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:56,600
that we have. This is a zoning that we've had for years. This is not something under the new

541
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,700
and the reason it's used.

542
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:15,300
And this is straight out of our UDO, is when property is signed with that C.A. overlay, then that means that you're prohibited from having buildings, structures, parking, and drives, etc. on that piece of property.

543
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:26,320
So it is centrally acts as a buffer. And then just a little bit further, it says it shall remain undeveloped, vacant, and again, you can't put building structures or parking on it.

544
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:31,360
And then one other requirement is as it has to be at least 100 feet wide.

545
00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:39,420
And so that's essentially why you have track two at that width that's surrounding track one.

546
00:45:40,260 --> 00:45:47,500
And the reason why is because the future land use plan recommends industrial or logistics in gray.

547
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,460
And then you have the green and that's potential conservation of in space.

548
00:45:51,460 --> 00:45:53,840
And we talk about that brain serves two purposes.

549
00:45:54,660 --> 00:45:59,100
It can either serve as a purpose for potential environmental constraints,

550
00:45:59,340 --> 00:46:04,140
but it can also show that there should be some sort of a buffer between the industrial

551
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:06,640
and then the yellow is residential.

552
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:14,540
So in this case, the request is to put the conservation area overlay

553
00:46:14,540 --> 00:46:16,480
around the perimeter of the property.

554
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:23,320
track 3 is that little tiny piece and they have left that as part of an access.

555
00:46:24,020 --> 00:46:27,660
So that's why the track 3 is just office by itself.

556
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:36,860
So again, the future land use plan recommends industrial, the request for industrial

557
00:46:36,860 --> 00:46:41,820
with again, some conservation area, overlay around the periphery and

558
00:46:41,820 --> 00:46:44,320
and the request is in compliance with the

559
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,340
comp plan with the future land use and

560
00:46:46,340 --> 00:46:49,300
character map, therefore staff recommends approval.

561
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,240
And if the July 21st, 2026,

562
00:46:52,860 --> 00:46:54,760
planning and zoning meeting, the commission

563
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,000
voted unanimously to recommend approval of the request.

564
00:46:58,700 --> 00:47:00,640
And I will be happy to answer any questions.

565
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:02,720
All right. Thank you very much.

566
00:47:02,860 --> 00:47:03,720
Any questions for Ms. Scooby?

567
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:05,320
I just have one.

568
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,400
Is it my understanding that there's an additional buffer

569
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:13,300
or between that and the properties surrounding it.

570
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,120
Do you mean for tract two or tract two is the buffer?

571
00:47:18,580 --> 00:47:20,680
Tract two is the buffer, but that's more

572
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,480
than what is normally required.

573
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:25,820
Yes, it doesn't make sense.

574
00:47:26,260 --> 00:47:28,040
Yes, it will stay in its natural state.

575
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,160
So whatever trees are there, those have to stay there.

576
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,120
And again, you can't put parking and you can't put buildings in it,

577
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,300
but you will still have the normal buffers that would be required as well.

578
00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:48,620
So that's an extra 100 feet of no buildings and no parking lot is essentially what that accomplishes and that is near

579
00:47:48,620 --> 00:47:54,320
Nipro, where Nipro is being yeah, that's just kind of to the south of it along North Creek Road

580
00:47:56,270 --> 00:48:00,070
Can you tell me a little bit more about whether it's a cookie cutter track three?

581
00:48:02,690 --> 00:48:04,210
I'll let the applicant but again

582
00:48:04,210 --> 00:48:07,950
Okay, that's the tiny piece is so there can be access

583
00:48:07,950 --> 00:48:13,950
ingress and ingress and egress, because you cannot put that through the conservation area

584
00:48:13,950 --> 00:48:14,310
over.

585
00:48:15,250 --> 00:48:19,850
But again, we have a representative who can talk a little bit more about it, but it was

586
00:48:20,410 --> 00:48:20,850
purposeful.

587
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:24,400
All right.

588
00:48:24,580 --> 00:48:25,140
Other questions?

589
00:48:26,540 --> 00:48:27,900
Thank you very much.

590
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:28,600
All right.

591
00:48:28,660 --> 00:48:29,500
The public here is now open.

592
00:48:29,740 --> 00:48:31,060
Those speaking behalf of the applicant may come forward.

593
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:31,900
Please state your name for the record.

594
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,060
The first person has 10 minutes.

595
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,420
All others have three minutes.

596
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,000
Good evening.

597
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:44,000
Mayor Council member, my name is Kim Malpus, representative Pobot, to address your question, Mr. Roberts.

598
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:51,940
What it is, is there is an existing gravel drive that provides access to a couple owners in the back.

599
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,560
This old tram lane has been there for probably 75 or 80 years.

600
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:02,200
And because of the way the conservation, you cannot put a problem of drive through it.

601
00:49:02,540 --> 00:49:06,100
So we had to separate out that so they could still keep that access.

602
00:49:06,100 --> 00:49:11,580
This is what it is and we never the neighbors and that's how this conservation overlay came about

603
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:19,640
We had a 50-foot originally that would match the vegetation and they asked for another 50 feet and I think everybody was in a grins that

604
00:49:20,580 --> 00:49:25,480
With the compromise of that would be okay. We had to leave that for that would in the gate of the act

605
00:49:26,220 --> 00:49:29,580
By doing that was kind of my supposition

606
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:34,000
Thank you

607
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:34,660
Any other questions?

608
00:49:34,860 --> 00:49:35,020
All right.

609
00:49:35,180 --> 00:49:36,000
Any other questions from us about?

610
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:37,160
Melt this.

611
00:49:39,950 --> 00:49:40,530
Thank you very much.

612
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:41,130
Thank you.

613
00:49:41,310 --> 00:49:43,950
Anyone else that is here to speak on behalf of the applicant may come forward.

614
00:49:44,090 --> 00:49:44,930
Please state your name for the record.

615
00:49:45,110 --> 00:49:45,890
You have three minutes.

616
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:57,540
Seeing none.

617
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,360
Those in opposition to the applicant may come forward.

618
00:49:59,380 --> 00:49:59,980
Please state your name for the.

619
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,820
The record of 1st person is 10 minutes, all others have 3 minutes.

620
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,560
T9, public hearing is now closed up and for board discussion or motion?

621
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:17,760
Motion 2.

622
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:18,420
Second.

623
00:50:19,940 --> 00:50:26,200
Motion was made by Councillor Willis, second by council member Jones, all those in favor say aye.

624
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:27,540
I suppose say nay.

625
00:50:27,660 --> 00:50:28,720
Motion passed 5.0.

626
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:29,940
I don't know.

627
00:50:30,020 --> 00:50:30,280
I don't know.

628
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:31,480
Thank you, Mayor.

629
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:36,420
Item number 9, ordinance, ordinance requested by the Community and Development Services Department

630
00:50:36,420 --> 00:50:41,740
to amend the Unified Development Ordnance UDO to definitions and standards for short-term

631
00:50:41,740 --> 00:50:48,420
mental, home-state, and short-term, mental, whole-house lodging uses in adding these uses

632
00:50:48,420 --> 00:50:54,660
to section 313 table uses as permitted uses in the following zoning districts are a 20 residential

633
00:50:54,660 --> 00:51:02,300
agriculture, R15S residential single family, R9S residential single family, R6S residential

634
00:51:02,300 --> 00:51:09,880
single family, R9 residential, R6 residential, R6 A, residential, R6 and H, residential mobile

635
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:16,700
home, T-H-1-0, tiny home community, MR, medical residential, MRS, medical residential

636
00:51:16,700 --> 00:51:23,700
single family, R, office residential, CD, downtown commercial, and CDF, downtown commercial

637
00:51:23,700 --> 00:51:24,220
fringe.

638
00:51:24,980 --> 00:51:27,660
Now, call for assistant director, shall I take good for the presentation?

639
00:51:27,660 --> 00:51:33,940
I don't want to say anything, but after you read that, our whole crowd left, almost our whole crowd.

640
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,500
The three in the back are here for the long run, right?

641
00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:42,380
Well, try to make it as interesting as possible.

642
00:51:44,460 --> 00:51:49,640
So again, short term rentals, those can come on many different platforms.

643
00:51:49,940 --> 00:51:52,920
The most popular ones are Airbnb and Volvo.

644
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,820
And generally you have two types of short term rentals.

645
00:51:57,820 --> 00:52:03,360
you have what we're calling the home stay, which is where you have a host on

646
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:09,260
sat with you, whether it be an apartment or a house of some sort, and then we

647
00:52:09,260 --> 00:52:13,120
have what's called in the second definition, whole house lodging, and it's

648
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:17,720
exactly what it sounds like. You get the whole dwelling to yourself. So we're just

649
00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:21,120
basically referring to it with the host and with our host.

650
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:24,720
Several months ago

651
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:32,640
So, city staff was able to use some software that deals with short-term rentals.

652
00:52:33,260 --> 00:52:39,740
This was done back in April of this year, and we were able to identify some with certainty

653
00:52:39,740 --> 00:52:46,500
and some with not exact specificity of short-term rentals that are in Greenbull, so we've

654
00:52:46,500 --> 00:52:52,160
shown those are with the blue dots, and then we broke those out into what zoning district

655
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:59,560
they're in. And so at that time we had roughly 270 short terminals in the city.

656
00:53:01,830 --> 00:53:02,890
So now to talk

657
00:53:02,890 --> 00:53:08,690
about the new standards that come with this, I'm going to go through the home state or with

658
00:53:08,690 --> 00:53:23,710
host first. And one of the reasons why I'm doing this is because a lot of these carry over to the

659
00:53:23,710 --> 00:53:32,910
on a compliance permit. It's a one-time permit. There's no exterior advertising that's allowed,

660
00:53:32,930 --> 00:53:40,630
so no outside sign it. The owner operator does have to supply certificate of insurance in the amount

661
00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:45,630
of a million dollars in liability insurance for the property, and that has to be submitted

662
00:53:45,630 --> 00:53:52,890
with the permit application. Also, no special events or gatherings in excess of the registered

663
00:53:52,890 --> 00:54:00,030
guests and then any existing short-term rentals as up tonight if this is past has a year to

664
00:54:00,030 --> 00:54:05,290
get their permit with us. Like so these are the existing ones and then any new ones obviously

665
00:54:05,290 --> 00:54:11,150
would go ahead and ideally do their permit before they establish themselves as a short-term rental.

666
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:18,970
We do recognize that we're going to have to do a little bit of publicity to bring awareness to them,

667
00:54:18,970 --> 00:54:23,430
some people probably may not even know that they have to do this.

668
00:54:23,530 --> 00:54:28,150
So that'll come if you approve this a text amendment.

669
00:54:28,910 --> 00:54:33,870
Another thing that we added is that any short-term rental

670
00:54:33,870 --> 00:54:37,070
that receives either three citations or warnings

671
00:54:37,070 --> 00:54:38,810
for ordinance violations.

672
00:54:39,610 --> 00:54:42,550
Some examples would be noise, trash and debris,

673
00:54:42,990 --> 00:54:46,410
or illegal parking within a 12 month period.

674
00:54:46,410 --> 00:54:49,070
may have their zoning compliance permit revved.

675
00:54:50,030 --> 00:54:52,410
Again, the intent is to not be punitive,

676
00:54:52,970 --> 00:54:56,190
but the intent is to make sure of that

677
00:54:56,190 --> 00:54:59,750
that Airbnb owner operator is a good neighbor.

678
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:10,920
So, that's what we're really after. It is subject to citations and a little bit further I'll tell you the schedule of the amounts of the citations.

679
00:55:12,620 --> 00:55:22,160
This is for holdhouse. There's the same ones I've went through. So, I'm going to jump ahead to holdhouse lodging.

680
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:26,480
So Hal House lodging means that the owner post is not on site.

681
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,200
So we've got a two additional requirements.

682
00:55:32,260 --> 00:55:39,000
If the person who owes or operates the Airbnb does not live in Pitt County, then

683
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:43,700
they're going to designate someone in Pitt County who will be a local contact.

684
00:55:43,820 --> 00:55:49,420
That could be a local contact, for planning staff, local contact, for even the police department

685
00:55:49,420 --> 00:55:56,660
So that that agent can accept any kind of issues or complaints and be able to respond to them.

686
00:55:56,980 --> 00:56:04,720
And again, this could be something as like an excessive amount of parking, noise, perhaps trash, and debris that's been left in the yard.

687
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:15,020
But ideally, that would be a local contact easy for us to get in contact with and someone perhaps in Ohio that may not have an idea any of these things are going on.

688
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:23,240
Again, we already have the forms and everything set up to go, so that if this is a proof

689
00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:24,280
we'll be ready to go.

690
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,760
So the form for the agent is very short.

691
00:56:28,060 --> 00:56:33,200
It does lay out the responsibilities of that agent so that you understand if they are going

692
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:37,060
to be an agent or someone what that means, again, that they're going to have to receive

693
00:56:37,060 --> 00:56:38,460
and respond to complaints.

694
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:46,900
This last section basically, just again, not to be punitive, it does give a grace period that

695
00:56:46,900 --> 00:56:54,400
if you have an agent and an agent says, actually, I'm moving to Texas, it gives you some

696
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,620
time to appoint a new agent and get their information to us.

697
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:06,560
As far as the citations, these are the same citations for any kind of zoning violation,

698
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:10,120
And that is, the first violation is $100.

699
00:57:10,460 --> 00:57:14,060
A second violation is a second violation

700
00:57:14,060 --> 00:57:17,200
within 365 days of the first.

701
00:57:17,900 --> 00:57:19,260
That amount is 250.

702
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:24,180
And the third, again, is within 365 days of the first

703
00:57:24,180 --> 00:57:24,780
violation.

704
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:26,960
And that amount is $500.

705
00:57:28,940 --> 00:57:30,880
This is the table of uses.

706
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,800
And so what this is showing is that all of the districts

707
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:44,200
That allowed residential. We have added you'll see the red piece so that means it's a permitted use does not require special use permit

708
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:50,780
This will be for both of those uses, so both uses will will be allowed in the very same districts

709
00:57:53,070 --> 00:57:53,590
In

710
00:57:53,590 --> 00:58:00,150
the request and compliance with the comprehensive plan, specifically Chapter 5, creating complete

711
00:58:00,150 --> 00:58:06,610
neighbourhoods, goal 5.1, strong existing neighbourhoods, gravel will have strong established

712
00:58:06,610 --> 00:58:11,070
neighbourhoods with support for neighbourhoods, support for neighbourhood organisations,

713
00:58:11,790 --> 00:58:16,510
high quality housing unique character and robust integration with the rest of the community.

714
00:58:16,510 --> 00:58:19,050
therefore, staff recommends approval.

715
00:58:20,330 --> 00:58:21,590
And at the July 21st,

716
00:58:21,630 --> 00:58:23,790
2026, planning and zoning commission,

717
00:58:24,730 --> 00:58:26,090
the commission voted unanimously

718
00:58:26,090 --> 00:58:28,490
to recommend approval of the request.

719
00:58:29,110 --> 00:58:30,730
And I'll be happy to answer any questions.

720
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:32,490
Any questions?

721
00:58:33,550 --> 00:58:34,170
Excuse me.

722
00:58:34,990 --> 00:58:37,810
Sean, can you remind me of the period of time

723
00:58:37,810 --> 00:58:40,330
that an owner would have to replace an agent?

724
00:58:41,810 --> 00:58:43,770
We have said 10 days, 10 days.

725
00:58:46,980 --> 00:58:50,740
And then you said it was a year, they have a year to get the permit that this is passed.

726
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,300
For existing, for pre-existing ones, yes.

727
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:59,540
And again, that's probably going to take a little bit of word of mouth to make people aware of that.

728
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,140
But we've given a grace period of a year.

729
00:59:02,540 --> 00:59:08,500
Okay. And then, I can't remember if we finalized this, but what was the legality of this?

730
00:59:08,500 --> 00:59:09,780
I know we discussed that in a workshop.

731
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:18,740
The City Attorney's Office is of the view that this is legally defensible and it will be a compliance.

732
00:59:19,420 --> 00:59:23,460
Are there any other peer cities that are doing something similar to this?

733
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:28,040
The several cities that have short-term or short-term rental ordinances to a morally

734
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:29,520
ashyl?

735
00:59:29,580 --> 00:59:31,760
Are they similar to what we're proposing?

736
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:33,920
I think Rolly was very similar to them.

737
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:41,160
And there has been a case law, nobody tried to sue the city over it.

738
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:46,900
Well, there has passed some legislation, a litigation out of Wilmington dealing with a rental

739
00:59:46,900 --> 00:59:58,060
registration challenge, but we believe this is not a rental registration program, this is a regulation of short-term rentals, but it's not a rental registration program, so we think this is legally defensible.

740
01:00:00,430 --> 01:00:03,730
Can you go back to the citations again?

741
01:00:09,490 --> 01:00:18,270
And this would be notice of isolation, so a parking through the police department may be a little different.

742
01:00:18,910 --> 01:00:28,790
Then if it makes its way to associate as a parking issue and we would be notified as part of having the permits.

743
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:42,050
One 23 Main Street had a, you know, a hacker and they had 25 cars and we had to send the police out there and have them disperse.

744
01:00:43,790 --> 01:00:55,170
And then as far as like the complaints are concerned, are those complaints that are sent to directly to the city and the city investigates to see if it's a legitimate complaint?

745
01:00:55,170 --> 01:01:04,230
And I guess where I'm going with this is that each person's idea of quiet and peaceful is different in there.

746
01:01:04,370 --> 01:01:06,810
And their type of nuisance is always different.

747
01:01:07,190 --> 01:01:09,190
Some people don't want to see any of it.

748
01:01:09,270 --> 01:01:17,410
Some of them could just be calling in complaining just because they know what's going on and saw the dwelling and know that it's something they don't want to see.

749
01:01:17,590 --> 01:01:18,670
But they just might be complaining.

750
01:01:18,670 --> 01:01:25,590
And so I guess my idea is, I want to make sure that whoever's making the complaint is being

751
01:01:25,590 --> 01:01:28,470
bedded by the city and the city can go ahead and say, well, this is a legitimate complaint.

752
01:01:28,510 --> 01:01:33,790
This is just somebody that's angry and just doesn't like that particular neighbor and their property.

753
01:01:34,330 --> 01:01:35,930
We deal with that a lot.

754
01:01:36,150 --> 01:01:40,610
That's one person's tolerance is much higher, lower than their neighbors.

755
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:46,910
So along with the permit, we haven't indexed where we would keep track of the properties.

756
01:01:47,870 --> 01:01:53,850
That would allow PD or even code enforcement to be able to cross-reference that.

757
01:01:54,030 --> 01:01:57,730
We would essentially be the keeper of the information.

758
01:01:58,490 --> 01:02:01,130
Someone could still go on the city compass.

759
01:02:01,470 --> 01:02:06,090
We would probably need to add that as a new issue from the drop-down box.

760
01:02:06,690 --> 01:02:10,330
And I would think that that would probably come through planning first.

761
01:02:10,330 --> 01:02:21,850
If it is more of a lot of parking, let's say, the best solution would be to go through

762
01:02:21,850 --> 01:02:22,250
PD.

763
01:02:22,530 --> 01:02:35,050
Obviously it's not an emergency, but PD is 24 hours, we're 8 to 5, but basically the different

764
01:02:35,050 --> 01:02:39,230
tentacles will still rest within the planning department is how it would work.

765
01:02:39,230 --> 01:02:59,090
So I guess I think of the situation where you could have a neighbor that's just not happy, right, and they find out that within a certain amount of complaints, they could get the neighboring property that they're not happy with multiple citations and potentially get them into some legal issues.

766
01:02:59,090 --> 01:03:06,690
So I guess my thought is if the police department is called out to let's say one of the short-term

767
01:03:06,690 --> 01:03:12,110
rentals and they just say it was because a lot of noise they got there and say it's nothing

768
01:03:12,110 --> 01:03:17,770
well they call them again and happens again let's say they come out there four or five times and then the

769
01:03:17,770 --> 01:03:24,910
neighbor says I'm doing all these hypothetical things but this is probably a realistic situation

770
01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:34,130
They go out there and they say, well, they call it the planning department and say, well, the police have been out there five times, you know, I don't understand why we're not doing anything with it.

771
01:03:34,430 --> 01:03:48,170
How is that going to be handled, I guess, as far as the complaint, because it's going to be locked at the police were out there five times, but how legitimate were those five phone calls as far as an actual nuisance.

772
01:03:48,170 --> 01:03:58,010
Right. Well, we would get the disposition, right? So we would know if it was founded if they showed up and it was quiet and everyone were being good listeners.

773
01:03:58,590 --> 01:04:07,990
So we as the planning department would have some idea. Yes, you have five calls for service, but actually only one time was there actually an issue.

774
01:04:07,990 --> 01:04:20,890
So, it will put on staff as sometimes there are of threading the needle of taking those

775
01:04:20,890 --> 01:04:27,150
different complaints, figuring out which really do hit a mark and which of those are

776
01:04:27,150 --> 01:04:31,150
maybe someone losing patience in their calling every 15 minutes.

777
01:04:32,370 --> 01:04:40,990
So, that happens in other things as well when we get complaints and what do you know it's already disappeared by the time that we get there.

778
01:04:41,770 --> 01:04:55,090
But what will happen or what will at least give us some way of communicating directly is that either will have the person on the permit or we will have a local contact.

779
01:04:55,230 --> 01:04:59,070
And if that local contact says, listen, this is my sister's place.

780
01:04:59,070 --> 01:04:59,770
It's great.

781
01:05:00,270 --> 01:05:08,290
Can you tell us who your sister is? And that is a way that staff can directly communicate with someone that we may not be able to read.

782
01:05:09,410 --> 01:05:20,470
They may have a run of fat guests, you know, and that happens as well. But the other thing is that at least verbo and Airbnb have a system themselves.

783
01:05:21,150 --> 01:05:28,530
For if you live beside your property and you have issues, you can log those complaints with Airbnb and verbo as well.

784
01:05:28,530 --> 01:05:35,710
So there is a couple of things that is is a completely fail-safe net and there is going

785
01:05:35,710 --> 01:05:42,830
to take some some discretion of how we deal with issues that come up.

786
01:05:43,430 --> 01:05:43,790
Okay.

787
01:05:44,730 --> 01:05:52,170
And then the other question I have to is as far as somebody that is deciding about doing like a short-term

788
01:05:52,170 --> 01:05:58,030
rental, let it be one of the two scenarios, what is there a penalty if they do not file?

789
01:05:58,030 --> 01:06:04,390
And I guess my thought process is you're going to have a lot of people that have not been used to it.

790
01:06:04,490 --> 01:06:06,470
There's never been a filing period.

791
01:06:07,070 --> 01:06:17,050
What type of penalty would be if somebody is operating one and then staff is notified that someone so in my neighborhood has an Airbnb and you say,

792
01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:17,870
Well, it's on log.

793
01:06:18,010 --> 01:06:18,810
We don't have them there.

794
01:06:18,890 --> 01:06:19,810
You send them a letter.

795
01:06:20,030 --> 01:06:24,550
Is there a penalty or is it just a requirement that within a certain period of time they need to go ahead and file?

796
01:06:24,550 --> 01:06:30,450
The first letter is always, this has been brought to our attention, again, we could be wrong.

797
01:06:30,950 --> 01:06:34,510
You may not be an Airbnb, but it starts with a letter.

798
01:06:35,230 --> 01:06:37,970
If you have any questions, please contact us.

799
01:06:39,610 --> 01:06:45,030
And in these cases, we can direct them back to the planning site, because the fillable forms will be there.

800
01:06:45,070 --> 01:06:50,350
And they can go, oh, I didn't know I was supposed to do that. Click, click, click, and they send us what they need.

801
01:06:51,510 --> 01:06:57,110
Generally, we give folks about 10 days to respond if we don't hear anything.

802
01:06:57,130 --> 01:06:59,890
We'll do a second in OV.

803
01:07:02,350 --> 01:07:05,690
We can do citations, which is what is in front of you.

804
01:07:05,730 --> 01:07:07,670
We can do that schedule of citations.

805
01:07:08,790 --> 01:07:12,210
But obviously, we want to make sure that we are actually trying to track a short-term

806
01:07:12,210 --> 01:07:14,330
rental, and it's not something else.

807
01:07:14,330 --> 01:07:22,470
But the very first thing would be a nice but far and letter we believe he might be operating short-term

808
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:25,630
and only we would need you to a proper permit.

809
01:07:26,370 --> 01:07:27,270
Final question.

810
01:07:27,870 --> 01:07:29,390
I see we got first second and third.

811
01:07:29,590 --> 01:07:30,410
What's the fourth?

812
01:07:32,910 --> 01:07:33,410
There is.

813
01:07:33,730 --> 01:07:34,150
My fourth.

814
01:07:35,230 --> 01:07:38,150
That's where I'm going to call Mr. MacGurt and say Mr. MacGurt.

815
01:07:38,230 --> 01:07:39,490
We do not have a good listener.

816
01:07:40,190 --> 01:07:40,570
What would we like?

817
01:07:41,010 --> 01:07:41,890
That's not going to say.

818
01:07:41,890 --> 01:07:59,110
And so then that that turns my attention to is I guess probably revocation maybe of a permit and I guess from a legal standpoint, how does the city defend removing somebody's legal permit to be able to operate a short term rental.

819
01:08:00,530 --> 01:08:02,970
It's taking away their right as a property owner.

820
01:08:03,030 --> 01:08:11,470
We could bring it so action to collect the penalties and also bring it in junction action to revoke the permit and

821
01:08:11,470 --> 01:08:13,850
We have to see the operating in the end of the quarter order.

822
01:08:14,330 --> 01:08:20,710
So, but I guess from a legal standpoint, how do we, where do we stand if somebody says

823
01:08:20,710 --> 01:08:24,610
what you're taking away in my property rights, by allowing me to be able to operate a business

824
01:08:24,610 --> 01:08:31,570
out of the property that I own, do we have any case law that says that we have the right to

825
01:08:31,570 --> 01:08:35,530
be able to do something like that, where we can prevent somebody from actually having

826
01:08:35,530 --> 01:08:36,050
an rental?

827
01:08:36,710 --> 01:08:42,010
Well, the case law says that cities have the authority to zone, to zone buildings and land,

828
01:08:42,610 --> 01:08:46,870
the short-term rental case that I was talking about in one week, and it said that they had a,

829
01:08:46,870 --> 01:08:52,830
the one week in the program was illegal because it was a rental registration program with the court said that the cities could still zone,

830
01:08:53,210 --> 01:08:58,890
use zoning to regulate short-term rentals, and we drafted this ordinance and light of that case.

831
01:08:59,490 --> 01:09:03,810
So we could bring us still action to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to.

832
01:09:04,350 --> 01:09:13,230
So, essentially there's nothing, I guess, who would just be, if somebody decided to just kind of like make it sue for any other reason that they would establish the case law for.

833
01:09:13,230 --> 01:09:16,470
They could try to sue and say, we're taking away the property right.

834
01:09:16,970 --> 01:09:17,750
The case law was clear.

835
01:09:17,790 --> 01:09:24,170
CDC have an authority to zone property and to enact short term rental zoning ordinances as well.

836
01:09:24,250 --> 01:09:29,230
You have to make sure that it's not a rental registration program or it's not a down zone.

837
01:09:29,450 --> 01:09:31,230
But CDC has authority to zone.

838
01:09:31,230 --> 01:09:37,930
So, we can zone, we also can put reasonable time place in a circumstance as restrictions.

839
01:09:38,750 --> 01:09:43,070
We're not taking away their property right, we're regulating it and if they don't comply,

840
01:09:43,210 --> 01:09:43,970
that's on them.

841
01:09:44,570 --> 01:09:48,110
So, we're not taking away if they comply, nothing's taken.

842
01:09:48,630 --> 01:09:50,310
I mean, I do as comply with it.

843
01:09:50,310 --> 01:09:52,230
And this is very reasonable, probably.

844
01:09:52,730 --> 01:09:55,790
It's a lot less than what I would like to say, but it's a starting point.

845
01:09:56,450 --> 01:09:58,010
And I'm not argue that I just understand.

846
01:09:58,750 --> 01:09:59,970
I just want to see from the...

847
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:26,320
The situation, if we get into that, because you've got a lot of people that are operating right now. I'm sure they're not going to be real happy about the changes and having to register and go through the process and having this. My thought is, you probably have some anger people, and I want to make sure it's defensible from a city standpoint. And again, it's not a registration, it's requiring them to get a zoning permit, and we're giving them one year. Those existing short-term rental giving them one year to obtain the permit.

848
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:30,120
It would be the same thing as a home owner who's subject to nuisance.

849
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:34,000
We have a nuisance ordinance in the city of Greenville that has homeowners or people who live

850
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:34,340
in the home.

851
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,080
We're all subject to, and so it's no different.

852
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:41,360
We're just putting in here like you're subject to these types of violations if you don't

853
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:43,440
run your business appropriately.

854
01:10:44,260 --> 01:10:48,100
I don't see any problem with it from a standpoint because I look at this pretty heavily,

855
01:10:48,580 --> 01:10:50,320
and I think it's a good starting point.

856
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,880
And maybe we can even look further down the road, but I don't see any legal problems with it

857
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:55,960
in terms of what we've done because it's so minor.

858
01:10:55,960 --> 01:11:00,500
and it puts the onus on them that you're only paying any fees or anything if you violate

859
01:11:00,500 --> 01:11:06,660
what are typically regional standards, there's no sense in the boy and use of drugs or

860
01:11:06,660 --> 01:11:12,780
control substances or no resources and part of violations that we've regulated for centuries in

861
01:11:12,780 --> 01:11:19,440
this city. Not centuries but a long time. Thank you Mr. Attorney. Thank you Mr. Attorney. If you

862
01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:25,260
well. I had the same questions but it was from the other end of the spectrum that if somebody

863
01:11:25,260 --> 01:11:31,300
consistently violates you know what would happen because you know it affects citizens quality of life

864
01:11:31,300 --> 01:11:38,260
so that was where my concern was, is what would happen at that point so I appreciate you answering that question.

865
01:11:39,660 --> 01:11:40,240
All right.

866
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:45,120
Then did you say that we don't know the exact location of all short term rules?

867
01:11:45,740 --> 01:11:46,280
Yeah.

868
01:11:46,440 --> 01:11:54,320
The website that we use is more of a more of a website for an investor but we were able to

869
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:58,540
download that information. Some of the things, some of the properties we were able to identify

870
01:11:58,540 --> 01:12:03,660
because people actually put the picture of house on it. So we're like, oh, that's the one.

871
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:09,500
Some for whatever reason don't put the picture of the house. So the pen just sort of sits in the

872
01:12:09,500 --> 01:12:17,220
middle of the street. So we have a pen, we know about where it is. So we can put it together, but some

873
01:12:17,220 --> 01:12:23,780
of them are a little fuzzier. So we have to do some slew thing of our own to try to take out some

874
01:12:23,780 --> 01:12:29,300
static. So, let's say potentially for one of the properties that we don't know

875
01:12:29,300 --> 01:12:34,700
the exact location up on the 365 day mark comes across how we're going to

876
01:12:34,700 --> 01:12:38,480
ensure that all short-term rentals aren't compliance. If we don't know the

877
01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:42,040
exact location, is it going to be like a honor system for the operators?

878
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:49,240
Somewhat of the honor system, but also we as staff will still have to keep track

879
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:53,760
because you could have some people who fall out of the market who

880
01:12:53,760 --> 01:13:00,140
decide they don't want to do it anymore. But, you know, we did this about a year or so ago,

881
01:13:00,260 --> 01:13:07,920
I think we added maybe 80 more units since that time. So it will constantly be where a staff

882
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:15,780
will have to go in. Harvest, as due as best as we can, and some of them may be from phone calls

883
01:13:15,780 --> 01:13:19,900
And someone reporting, it's an Airbnb, okay.

884
01:13:20,820 --> 01:13:23,960
So it is not a perfect science, Airbnb.

885
01:13:24,460 --> 01:13:26,900
Again, it doesn't require you to put the picture

886
01:13:26,900 --> 01:13:29,680
of the property because that is a security issue.

887
01:13:30,100 --> 01:13:34,000
So it will be a little sleeve thing on our side as well.

888
01:13:34,380 --> 01:13:36,200
So some properties could potentially slip

889
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:37,400
that the guy actually said.

890
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:39,640
Well, yes.

891
01:13:40,820 --> 01:13:41,460
However,

892
01:13:44,670 --> 01:13:45,610
if they are good listeners,

893
01:13:45,610 --> 01:13:50,790
we may not know that they are there. And that's the intention is to be a good name for.

894
01:13:52,590 --> 01:13:56,310
And then I'll ask a little more question. Do they have a how often does the

895
01:13:56,310 --> 01:13:59,810
permit need to be earned in? Is it every year? Went down. Just went down.

896
01:14:00,770 --> 01:14:05,570
Did we say that? I can't remember. Did we say that the amount for the permit? Is there a mail?

897
01:14:06,510 --> 01:14:10,210
We have not. It's not in the manual of fees. So,

898
01:14:10,210 --> 01:14:10,210
I

899
01:14:14,850 --> 01:14:24,430
mean, is it something that we should have, you know, you have to renew every year so we can keep better track of which ones are still operating and which ones are new?

900
01:14:25,770 --> 01:14:31,990
That would be something for the whole council to think about. We have just put it as a one-time program.

901
01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:36,430
I think one of our attorneys over here had something to say Mr. Mr. Birch.

902
01:14:36,630 --> 01:14:37,850
If you want to Mr. Birch.

903
01:14:38,190 --> 01:14:39,470
These are that would be no.

904
01:14:40,110 --> 01:14:42,290
If because that would be kind of an ounce of the registration,

905
01:14:43,470 --> 01:14:46,630
in order to be compliant with state law,

906
01:14:46,810 --> 01:14:48,330
would you do it more than that.

907
01:14:48,570 --> 01:14:51,350
And if you've added it to one time,

908
01:14:53,130 --> 01:14:54,070
registration or one.

909
01:14:54,670 --> 01:14:55,450
What use that word?

910
01:14:55,690 --> 01:14:56,130
Don't think that.

911
01:14:57,810 --> 01:14:58,390
All right, thank you.

912
01:14:59,150 --> 01:14:59,250
Yeah.

913
01:14:59,470 --> 01:14:59,970
I appreciate it.

914
01:15:18,980 --> 01:15:26,420
All right, if no other questions, public hearing is now open, those are speaking behalf of the

915
01:15:26,420 --> 01:15:27,840
for the record for the first person to submit,

916
01:15:28,060 --> 01:15:29,480
it's all others have three minutes.

917
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:43,560
Well, good evening.

918
01:15:44,300 --> 01:15:45,940
Council, I am the United States Diamond.

919
01:15:46,260 --> 01:15:49,380
I have been a resident of Greenville for two and a half years.

920
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:51,400
Resident of North Carolina for eight years.

921
01:15:52,660 --> 01:15:55,060
I would like to show my appreciation for this ordinance.

922
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:57,520
I think this is a very good step,

923
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:00,860
and I would like to see, I loved your comment

924
01:16:00,860 --> 01:16:02,280
about wanting to see more pushes.

925
01:16:03,020 --> 01:16:05,640
I would love to see more pushes and more restrictions

926
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:08,340
on European B's and other sorts of releases.

927
01:16:08,340 --> 01:16:13,900
I think, as a whole, this is going to be very good for the community, especially given a time

928
01:16:13,900 --> 01:16:17,380
where the housing market is inflating way more than it should be.

929
01:16:17,740 --> 01:16:24,300
And at the same time, I think this potentially bring down a lot of, you know, the threshold

930
01:16:24,300 --> 01:16:27,760
for people to be able to rent or, you know, mortgage in the city.

931
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:29,920
I'm sorry.

932
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:35,900
This would also bring more business to our local hotel industry, which would be very

933
01:16:35,900 --> 01:16:37,560
nice for us to have.

934
01:16:38,540 --> 01:16:41,800
Though I would like to see more pushes, notably in a lot of

935
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:45,760
disowning, such as R6, which does include a lot of

936
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:46,180
apartments.

937
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:50,980
And I feel like if that is included, it does run the risk of

938
01:16:50,980 --> 01:16:54,040
somebody potentially using an Airbnb to try to

939
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:55,200
undercut our hotels.

940
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:58,620
And I know there are a lot of people, particularly people

941
01:16:59,140 --> 01:17:03,260
in a Greenville power, who can utilize this if they so

942
01:17:03,260 --> 01:17:08,260
Please, I'm saying anybody will, but it is a possibility that could be worrying.

943
01:17:09,860 --> 01:17:12,180
But as a whole, I like this ordinance.

944
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:16,720
This feels like it will be good for the community.

945
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:17,880
Thank you.

946
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:18,420
Thank you.

947
01:17:21,730 --> 01:17:26,330
Anyone else who like to speak on behalf of the applicant may come forward, please state your name for the record.

948
01:17:26,470 --> 01:17:27,350
Do you have three minutes?

949
01:17:37,860 --> 01:17:40,900
Seeing none, those officers of the applicant may come forward, please state your name for the record.

950
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,700
First person of seven minutes, all others have three minutes.

951
01:17:54,450 --> 01:17:58,250
Seeing none of the public hearing is now closed and for board discussion or motion?

952
01:17:58,490 --> 01:17:59,370
Measure approved.

953
01:17:59,550 --> 01:17:59,850
Second.

954
01:18:01,250 --> 01:18:05,230
Motion was made by Council Member Hardy, sigma 9, Mayor Protem.

955
01:18:06,070 --> 01:18:06,550
Forman?

956
01:18:06,670 --> 01:18:07,190
Any other discussion?

957
01:18:09,830 --> 01:18:10,990
All those in favor say aye?

958
01:18:11,430 --> 01:18:12,530
As opposed to say nay?

959
01:18:12,730 --> 01:18:14,230
Motion passes by zero.

960
01:18:14,550 --> 01:18:16,130
Moving on to item number 10.

961
01:18:16,430 --> 01:18:17,570
Our final public hearing.

962
01:18:17,630 --> 01:18:18,250
Thank you, Mayor.

963
01:18:18,570 --> 01:18:22,210
Item number 10, ordinance requested by the community and development services department to

964
01:18:22,210 --> 01:18:28,310
of the required number of professional security personnel and alcohol establishments, bar

965
01:18:29,090 --> 01:18:35,570
2022, micro brewery, and micro distillery that provide amplifiers entertainment after 11

966
01:18:35,570 --> 01:18:39,530
PM, or again call forward or assistant director Shantai Gooby for the presentation.

967
01:18:44,390 --> 01:18:50,950
Hopefully this is very short. This is just an item to clarify. We kind of talked about this a

968
01:18:50,950 --> 01:18:57,910
a little bit. This first deals with what staff considers alcohol establishments. We have

969
01:18:57,910 --> 01:19:02,950
or, excuse me, we have four different uses in the city that we sort of categorize under

970
01:19:02,950 --> 01:19:11,070
that umbrella, a bar, bar 2022, micro brewery, micro distillery, primary activity, obviously

971
01:19:11,070 --> 01:19:16,950
cell, consumption of alcohol, on-site. All of these establishments have the ability to have

972
01:19:16,950 --> 01:19:17,870
mixed beverage programs.

973
01:19:18,150 --> 01:19:20,830
That's a little different than just one ampere.

974
01:19:21,570 --> 01:19:28,610
In May of this year, city staff brought a text amendment to clarify the number of professional

975
01:19:28,610 --> 01:19:35,450
security personnel that are required at alcoholist establishments with amplified entertainment

976
01:19:35,450 --> 01:19:39,550
after 11pm, so it only counts after 11pm.

977
01:19:40,450 --> 01:19:46,130
At that meeting, there was some discussion that requiring security personnel may be burdensome

978
01:19:46,130 --> 01:19:52,670
to small businesses. After there was some discussion, staffs bringing this back with the

979
01:19:52,670 --> 01:19:59,850
text amendment in its same version. As far as amplified entertain that, or UDO says,

980
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:07,340
For example, if I'd entertain that, I'd show me any type of music or other entertainment delivered through embatt, and electronic systems.

981
01:20:07,620 --> 01:20:09,420
Like, a music, it could be picked out.

982
01:20:10,900 --> 01:20:19,400
So the proposed language, again, is based on the occupancy of the building, so it's not based on the number of people that are there at that night.

983
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:28,500
And so what this says is if you have an occupancy between 1 and 200, you will have two security personnel required to be on site.

984
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:36,140
And then for every 100 people, essentially you add one more person. So 2 to 300 would be 3.

985
01:20:38,060 --> 01:20:43,660
And then it goes a bit further to say, again, after 11pm,

986
01:20:43,660 --> 01:20:51,720
Shallot employ no less than two security guards in order for one security guard to be inside and then one security guard to be able to

987
01:20:52,060 --> 01:20:52,600
Patrol

988
01:20:52,600 --> 01:21:00,680
Prad it parking lot. So if they're downtown and they don't actually have a parking lot then both of the security personnel can be inside

989
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:02,960
In

990
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:07,180
Saps opinion this request is in compliance with the comprehensive plan

991
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:12,440
Chapter four growing the economic hub which is gold 4.3

992
01:21:12,440 --> 01:21:17,560
modernize and diversify the local economy, support the growth of a variety of employing

993
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:23,080
opportunities and businesses that diversify Green Bull's economy, provide workers with a range

994
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:28,220
of skill sets and training and encourage business growth within the incorporated areas and

995
01:21:28,220 --> 01:21:30,380
diversify Green Bull's tax base.

996
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:33,200
And then further we also have a second one in here.

997
01:21:33,420 --> 01:21:40,160
This is from Chapter 1, and this is growing the economic cub, 1.4, a vibrant town, support

998
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:45,600
One control uptown nightlife permit uptown is Greenville's vibrant and walkable nightlife district

999
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:50,600
that supports a variety of high quality, responsible drinking, and restaurant establishments.

1000
01:21:50,860 --> 01:21:55,100
A thriving nightlife that can attract and retain young professionals that in turn attract

1001
01:21:55,100 --> 01:21:56,120
high quality employers.

1002
01:21:56,740 --> 01:22:01,040
This does not mean that life activities need to be allowed to run out of control, appropriate

1003
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:06,560
standards for these businesses should be informed so that uptown can be enjoyed safely

1004
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:07,600
and responsible.

1005
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:11,660
Therefore, staff recommends approval of the proposed amendment.

1006
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:18,200
This was a little different at the July 21st, 2026, planning and only commission.

1007
01:22:19,140 --> 01:22:24,700
They voted unanimously with a motion, but the motion had a little tweak to it.

1008
01:22:25,480 --> 01:22:30,680
So they did recommend approval, but they went further and said, while the commission

1009
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:35,300
did recommend approval of the amendment, there was language included in the motion that

1010
01:22:35,300 --> 01:22:40,760
there should be consideration given to the economic impact on small businesses to consider

1011
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:45,880
the use of bounceers as a substitute for professional security personnel.

1012
01:22:47,020 --> 01:22:49,020
And with that, I'll be glad to answer any questions.

1013
01:22:50,140 --> 01:22:50,760
Any questions?

1014
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:54,020
One question on your proposed language, if you go back to it.

1015
01:22:58,010 --> 01:23:01,650
There is a says, 1200, you really mean one, the 200, don't you?

1016
01:23:02,330 --> 01:23:03,150
Oh, I'm sorry.

1017
01:23:03,290 --> 01:23:04,090
There's a half in this.

1018
01:23:04,210 --> 01:23:04,830
I'm sorry.

1019
01:23:05,210 --> 01:23:07,430
Okay, just that, and that's it.

1020
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:11,640
And why are, uh,

1021
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:16,520
staggering back the same version of the text of it?

1022
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:21,600
When I brought it to you in May,

1023
01:23:22,660 --> 01:23:25,380
there was some discussion, I don't want to call names,

1024
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:30,920
but there was some discussion that perhaps this was expensive

1025
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:33,600
and that it could be overly burdensome

1026
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:35,500
to some of the establishments.

1027
01:23:36,060 --> 01:23:38,860
We had a council work session, I don't know if you were.

1028
01:23:38,860 --> 01:23:45,260
back that one and so the decision was to go with the professional security as opposed to the

1029
01:23:45,260 --> 01:23:51,120
vouchers because professional security personnel would include off duty costs or actual

1030
01:23:53,400 --> 01:24:00,840
professional security personnel as opposed to vouchers have less training and vouchers

1031
01:24:02,470 --> 01:24:07,830
per view if you will stop at the door of the establishment so they can't go any further.

1032
01:24:07,830 --> 01:24:18,590
So, you're going to get a person with more training and the ability to

1033
01:24:21,020 --> 01:24:22,320
provide service outside

1034
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:23,180
of the establishment.

1035
01:24:25,830 --> 01:24:32,090
And then, just to make sure that I'm clear, are the current bars, whatever you want to

1036
01:24:32,090 --> 01:24:33,350
call grandfathered into this.

1037
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:34,710
Yes, it's not that.

1038
01:24:34,710 --> 01:24:35,710
Any free existing.

1039
01:24:37,950 --> 01:24:42,950
So, would include any business that ends up with a special use permit under 4202?

1040
01:24:44,530 --> 01:24:47,930
My collaborator, my collaborator, distillery, bar 2021 take.

1041
01:24:48,350 --> 01:24:49,110
Yes, any of the four.

1042
01:24:53,060 --> 01:24:56,780
Me, parts last still have the same opinion as the council member of Scully.

1043
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:59,280
When this is the last part of, I do think this will be.

1044
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:12,300
I've heard some of the small businesses, and I also think that it will keep the cost to us out of the awesome jobs, because those are who mainly staff in balance, the clubs in the nightlife down here.

1045
01:25:13,100 --> 01:25:15,000
So I just want to make that be an effort.

1046
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:17,900
All right. Any other comments?

1047
01:25:20,020 --> 01:25:27,320
I have one and I don't even drink and I'm swimming in alcohol after all this conversation.

1048
01:25:29,020 --> 01:25:40,620
about this, but has there been any conversation with businesses of bar owners outside of downtown?

1049
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:49,500
No, because the ones that we have now are under the old rules.

1050
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:57,040
So the answer is no, but we also don't have very many of them either.

1051
01:25:57,040 --> 01:26:04,780
the microglories and the microdicillaries we have a really down town and they're not going

1052
01:26:04,780 --> 01:26:10,660
to be affected because they already have a special use permit so they were ahead of this.

1053
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:18,440
So my point is it is it's only going to affect those that would walk in the door and we would

1054
01:26:18,440 --> 01:26:21,500
say oh by the way this is a new requirement.

1055
01:26:25,730 --> 01:26:29,410
I ask our deputy chief a question about this.

1056
01:26:29,610 --> 01:26:35,050
The police department feel that this is something that is necessary slash y'all won't see.

1057
01:26:37,530 --> 01:26:38,950
Sorry, put y'all on the screen.

1058
01:26:38,950 --> 01:26:39,690
No pressure.

1059
01:26:43,480 --> 01:26:45,000
Have y'all had problems.

1060
01:26:45,580 --> 01:26:46,060
The

1061
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:04,920
good politician answer right there.

1062
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:06,220
I like that.

1063
01:27:08,290 --> 01:27:09,270
All right, any other questions?

1064
01:27:10,210 --> 01:27:10,690
Comments?

1065
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:14,380
Thank you very much.

1066
01:27:14,480 --> 01:27:15,280
Public hearing is now open.

1067
01:27:15,480 --> 01:27:17,640
Those speaking of the upcoming four police station A for the record.

1068
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:19,920
First person of the semis all others have three minutes.

1069
01:27:32,810 --> 01:27:38,990
So, none of those opposition to the applicant may come forward, please state your name for the record of the first person in 10 minutes, all others have three minutes.

1070
01:27:52,530 --> 01:27:55,730
So, none of the public hearing is now closed up and for board discussion or a motion?

1071
01:27:57,410 --> 01:28:00,890
So, if one makes a motion and I don't have a motion.

1072
01:28:01,270 --> 01:28:08,310
But if one makes a motion, would that be with the suggestion of...

1073
01:28:08,310 --> 01:28:10,570
You could take whatever motion you want to make.

1074
01:28:10,570 --> 01:28:12,070
I don't want to make it.

1075
01:28:12,370 --> 01:28:13,710
You can take their motion.

1076
01:28:13,870 --> 01:28:14,850
You can take the staff's motion.

1077
01:28:14,990 --> 01:28:15,950
You can make up a motion.

1078
01:28:22,270 --> 01:28:25,690
I don't have a motion.

1079
01:28:25,790 --> 01:28:26,790
Did I answer your question?

1080
01:28:27,090 --> 01:28:28,270
Did I answer your question?

1081
01:28:28,650 --> 01:28:32,170
May or if I may, this to me is really interesting

1082
01:28:32,630 --> 01:28:34,890
because I feel like at the core of it,

1083
01:28:35,670 --> 01:28:37,730
our conversations have been centered around safety.

1084
01:28:39,050 --> 01:28:41,710
And so looking at the request of planning and zoning

1085
01:28:41,710 --> 01:28:48,790
to ought to use balcers, but if they have to stop at the door, then I don't know that

1086
01:28:48,790 --> 01:28:53,470
that achieves the safety that we were looking for for inside the establishment and then

1087
01:28:53,470 --> 01:28:53,890
out.

1088
01:28:54,370 --> 01:29:02,910
But then also, for the establishment that are already in business, this doesn't affect them.

1089
01:29:03,250 --> 01:29:10,050
It's not retroactive, so this is going forward, so you don't want to implement something

1090
01:29:10,050 --> 01:29:16,210
And that's cost prohibitive to a new business that's starting their business.

1091
01:29:16,870 --> 01:29:21,330
It's an interesting proposition, I think.

1092
01:29:23,430 --> 01:29:24,370
Do you have a motion?

1093
01:29:29,930 --> 01:29:31,330
I don't mind making a motion.

1094
01:29:36,270 --> 01:29:40,250
I don't think this is at least from my point of view.

1095
01:29:41,330 --> 01:29:44,450
I'm not against safety around these establishments,

1096
01:29:44,450 --> 01:29:47,430
But I just, I just really think it would be cost-per-hibited

1097
01:29:48,030 --> 01:29:50,090
and kind of restrict what these businesses could do

1098
01:29:50,090 --> 01:29:51,490
in a night and night basis.

1099
01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:54,250
They'd really have to be mindful of, you know,

1100
01:29:54,270 --> 01:29:57,390
what days that it's not to provide amplified music

1101
01:29:57,390 --> 01:29:58,190
past 11 o'clock.

1102
01:30:05,100 --> 01:30:13,020
I'll make a motion to approve the text as tendered and the reason why is because I've dealt with downtown for 40 years as a criminal lawyer.

1103
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:23,360
And I've seen the carnage calls by people in the bars who've consumed way too much. They weren't just drinking, they were intoxicated and served by bars.

1104
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:27,360
And I think if you give a talk to the officers on the streets, they will tell you that

1105
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:31,620
oftentimes when people come out of bars or not just drinking, they are completely intoxicated

1106
01:30:31,620 --> 01:30:32,440
and just drunk.

1107
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:40,900
And today, I had to read, because of the case of a very serious injury that occurred in

1108
01:30:40,900 --> 01:30:43,220
bar, and no balancers were around.

1109
01:30:44,180 --> 01:30:47,480
And they may have probably prevented it, had they been.

1110
01:30:47,860 --> 01:30:50,400
And when you use the word balancer, what does that really mean?

1111
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:53,500
It means you do a higher college kid to come in and provide security.

1112
01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:58,960
It oftentimes is a workout for that if you want to give bully people and use that power.

1113
01:30:59,480 --> 01:31:00,720
That's what my experience has been.

1114
01:31:00,900 --> 01:31:05,320
Now, those watching on TV, you may have harsh words, but you can have all the harsh words you want.

1115
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:06,220
It's the truth.

1116
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:08,500
And I've seen it for 40 years.

1117
01:31:09,460 --> 01:31:13,500
So I don't want some 20-year-old kid in a month trying to crack on a 20-year-old,

1118
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:17,560
providing security when something goes south because people have had too much alcohol

1119
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:19,360
to drink because they've been the bar for a while.

1120
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:24,680
And so if you've got some professional security level of it, then you've got better training

1121
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:29,080
about how to de-escalate, because what I find in the past is what Balsers do, the first thing

1122
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:30,440
they won't do is to strike.

1123
01:31:31,660 --> 01:31:35,000
And I've represented Balsers, who've been sued because their Balsers have struck.

1124
01:31:35,380 --> 01:31:40,000
Even though they've been trained, don't strike people, grapple and escort.

1125
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:43,320
But that doesn't seem to for my experience.

1126
01:31:43,420 --> 01:31:44,240
That's why I do this.

1127
01:31:44,260 --> 01:31:48,420
It's not going to affect either Balsers and the current incos are grandfathered in so you're

1128
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:54,980
But going forward, I think if you're going to be in the business of serving an alcohol late at night and people tend to

1129
01:31:54,980 --> 01:32:00,880
And buy because how do you get drunk if you're in the bar if you're not serving you when they probably shouldn't be serving you?

1130
01:32:01,060 --> 01:32:06,680
They're serving you too much alcohol and when you get too much alcohol people bounce into each other or see somebody's girl

1131
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:13,760
And there's comments back in the fourth and you and you've got to fight and then when somebody gets hit it's not the strike that hurts and this when they fall in the concrete

1132
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:16,900
And hit their head and get a brain bleed and get brain damage

1133
01:32:17,500 --> 01:32:20,480
And I've seen hundreds of cases like that in 40 years.

1134
01:32:21,060 --> 01:32:22,820
So I'm a little tough on this, I know.

1135
01:32:23,940 --> 01:32:28,440
But again, a balanced, there's nothing more that I see as a college kid, it's just working

1136
01:32:28,440 --> 01:32:33,960
in there part of time for $13-14 an hour, so what level of professionalism do you get?

1137
01:32:34,380 --> 01:32:35,780
You get what you pay for.

1138
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:41,520
So that's why I make the motion that we should have thought that as tendered and without the

1139
01:32:42,020 --> 01:32:45,280
balance, there's a substance to it, because I just think what you're really saying is, let us

1140
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:50,400
somebody cheap who's a college kid and usually professional security has liability in place.

1141
01:32:51,060 --> 01:32:55,300
I'm an insurance, so if something does go to sale, you've got liability insurance policy

1142
01:32:55,300 --> 01:32:59,960
that can get somebody to go after this security personnel went too far.

1143
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:04,440
And again, you see it, I've seen it time and time again, multiple bars have been sued down

1144
01:33:04,440 --> 01:33:04,940
down.

1145
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:07,820
So you're making a motion for the staff first?

1146
01:33:07,820 --> 01:33:07,960
Yeah.

1147
01:33:08,140 --> 01:33:08,860
The staff's back in a day.

1148
01:33:09,020 --> 01:33:09,280
All right.

1149
01:33:09,500 --> 01:33:10,160
Tracking that link.

1150
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:12,040
Anybody have a second?

1151
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:13,680
How's that getting the motion?

1152
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:14,440
All right.

1153
01:33:14,440 --> 01:33:16,020
Any other discussion?

1154
01:33:19,030 --> 01:33:20,610
Speak down for our older piece.

1155
01:33:23,490 --> 01:33:23,630
All right.

1156
01:33:23,770 --> 01:33:24,150
Motion to May.

1157
01:33:24,290 --> 01:33:25,090
But Councilmember Robinson.

1158
01:33:25,290 --> 01:33:26,190
It's like my Councilmember Willis.

1159
01:33:26,330 --> 01:33:27,310
All those of you who say aye.

1160
01:33:27,430 --> 01:33:27,710
Aye.

1161
01:33:27,770 --> 01:33:28,970
That's both a saying aye.

1162
01:33:29,990 --> 01:33:31,010
Motion passes five.

1163
01:33:32,490 --> 01:33:33,070
All right.

1164
01:33:33,170 --> 01:33:34,070
That was it for the public hearings.

1165
01:33:34,170 --> 01:33:35,630
We'll move on to other items of business.

1166
01:33:35,890 --> 01:33:36,190
Number 11.

1167
01:33:36,470 --> 01:33:36,870
All right.

1168
01:33:37,030 --> 01:33:37,430
Thank you, Mayor.

1169
01:33:37,550 --> 01:33:38,290
Item number 11.

1170
01:33:38,730 --> 01:33:39,170
Resolution.

1171
01:33:39,410 --> 01:33:41,090
Approving an interlocal agreement with

1172
01:33:41,090 --> 01:33:43,370
PIT County PIT Area Transit System.

1173
01:33:43,470 --> 01:33:46,890
Related to providing paratransit transportation services within

1174
01:33:46,890 --> 01:33:50,790
the territory of the jurisdiction of the City Green Bull. I'll call for it our transit manager

1175
01:33:50,790 --> 01:33:52,730
with Davidson for short presentation.

1176
01:33:52,730 --> 01:33:56,950
Thank you. Good evening. Good evening.

1177
01:33:57,470 --> 01:34:02,670
Good evening. I'm looking forward to your short presentation. I want to give you a brief update

1178
01:34:02,670 --> 01:34:09,170
on where we are at our ADA Paratransit Service. Just a reminder, ADA Paratransit is the mandatory

1179
01:34:09,170 --> 01:34:14,310
point to transportation that we have to provide for a qualifying customers with disabilities

1180
01:34:14,310 --> 01:34:18,010
in which this building affects their access to fixed route bus.

1181
01:34:19,310 --> 01:34:26,670
This is Kerbe Kerbe and it's reimbursed at 80% of operating cost, 85% of capital cost.

1182
01:34:27,710 --> 01:34:32,150
Please to announce since we were here talking about Kerbe transit last,

1183
01:34:33,530 --> 01:34:38,230
that the city of Greenville and Piccadilly was selected to receive $200,000 each

1184
01:34:38,230 --> 01:34:42,970
as part of our coordinated public transportation grant to continue our partnership

1185
01:34:42,970 --> 01:34:50,070
effort to provide this transportation service. Great will use the funds to pay for trips

1186
01:34:50,070 --> 01:34:56,030
that the county will provide and pets will purchase vehicles, I believe, with their funds.

1187
01:34:57,390 --> 01:34:59,970
So we have been able to negotiate renew.

1188
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:10,680
We partnership for FY2627. Pat's went through a fully allocated cost model exercise with NCDOT staff to

1189
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:19,160
set their trip rate, so their new trip rate at a break even point is $27 per trip. The city is

1190
01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:26,040
still on track, or scheduled to begin. Partial ADA Paratroon is that service that we will

1191
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:33,840
provide in October. The service is going to be provided with four vans, three, which will be

1192
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:40,100
ADA accessible. One is a mevan. We're in the process of creating the new positions working with

1193
01:35:40,100 --> 01:35:46,680
HR to get that finalized. We have trip booking software that's going to manage all of the

1194
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:55,760
clients' bookings. Customers can book via a level app or by calling all this. It's a picture of

1195
01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:58,900
what the vehicles will look like that will provide the service that we have many

1196
01:35:58,900 --> 01:36:05,800
van and then the have roof vans with a transit style door. It has an ADA lift in the back.

1197
01:36:08,070 --> 01:36:13,170
So, great will be the primary provider once we begin service in October.

1198
01:36:14,070 --> 01:36:20,410
Like I said, great will run four van's pets will provide two to three and we're still talking

1199
01:36:20,410 --> 01:36:24,990
about about 2,250 rides per month for this program.

1200
01:36:26,550 --> 01:36:32,310
The hours of operation, and this was a point, we spoke about back in February, and we

1201
01:36:32,310 --> 01:36:37,090
were able to go back and negotiate with the pets that they will continue to provide the

1202
01:36:37,090 --> 01:36:43,130
trips from 4 a.m. to 6 a.m. mainly to Alice's patients. Great and pets will provide service

1203
01:36:43,130 --> 01:36:50,650
from 6 to 6, and then great will provide the service from 6 until 830. On weekdays, Saturdays,

1204
01:36:50,750 --> 01:36:56,930
same theme paths will provide the early morning, 4 to 9. We have different hours on Saturdays,

1205
01:36:57,430 --> 01:37:03,070
so the hours will match the service to great provides, 9 to 430, great end paths, paths

1206
01:37:03,070 --> 01:37:06,670
if needed, and in paths will do 430 to 6 on Saturday.

1207
01:37:08,330 --> 01:37:09,410
All right.

1208
01:37:09,630 --> 01:37:15,050
We will notify customers of the change that great will be the primary provider, pass

1209
01:37:15,050 --> 01:37:22,030
to be the secondary provider through electronic mail, USPS, starting in September, all existing

1210
01:37:22,030 --> 01:37:27,730
customers data will be exported into our new system eligibility requirements will not

1211
01:37:27,730 --> 01:37:28,550
change.

1212
01:37:31,730 --> 01:37:38,050
We're request that Council will approve the FYI 2627 Air Local Agreement with PIC County.

1213
01:37:38,050 --> 01:37:40,090
All right, any questions?

1214
01:37:41,090 --> 01:37:42,290
I did have a question here.

1215
01:37:42,930 --> 01:37:48,870
Do I understand you correctly to say that the new assess cost is $27.

1216
01:37:49,370 --> 01:37:50,030
For a ride.

1217
01:37:50,390 --> 01:37:51,730
Previously it was $9.

1218
01:37:52,410 --> 01:37:53,770
It was $18.

1219
01:37:53,950 --> 01:37:55,010
So $9.

1220
01:37:55,350 --> 01:37:55,990
Both ways.

1221
01:37:56,510 --> 01:37:57,130
Or is it $18?

1222
01:37:57,130 --> 01:37:57,510
$18.

1223
01:37:57,610 --> 01:37:57,950
One way.

1224
01:37:59,750 --> 01:38:01,890
And so the increase to $27.

1225
01:38:02,710 --> 01:38:04,330
Now one way for it.

1226
01:38:06,330 --> 01:38:15,570
And there's nothing that is anything that we can do to affect that cost for citizens.

1227
01:38:17,190 --> 01:38:19,170
So the 27th, the citizen won't pay that.

1228
01:38:19,350 --> 01:38:23,190
So that's the cost that the city will pay the county per trip.

1229
01:38:23,450 --> 01:38:24,450
City pays the county per trip.

1230
01:38:24,750 --> 01:38:29,490
Okay, and so then from the actual rider, what does that look like for the actual rider?

1231
01:38:29,490 --> 01:38:35,730
today that is still free when the city begins charging a fair and that's

1232
01:38:35,730 --> 01:38:41,050
later for some point in October. Then what the federal government allows is

1233
01:38:41,050 --> 01:38:47,050
twice the normal fair. So if we were charging $1 for a bus fair then the

1234
01:38:47,050 --> 01:38:52,670
fair for a patch Raby B2 dollars. Okay so I'm thinking about the cost for a

1235
01:38:52,670 --> 01:38:57,650
And that's outside of a particular program or whatnot.

1236
01:38:58,050 --> 01:39:01,210
I was told that it was $9 per trip.

1237
01:39:01,390 --> 01:39:07,630
I think that's the cost that a citizen of Piquan pays to write pets versus a citizen.

1238
01:39:07,630 --> 01:39:14,590
They were writing it as a county citizen, writing the county system, not a grieble resident,

1239
01:39:14,850 --> 01:39:17,050
using the ADA per transit system.

1240
01:39:17,050 --> 01:39:20,390
because we work with the county to provide our ADA paradox.

1241
01:39:20,850 --> 01:39:22,670
It's with the city of the city.

1242
01:39:22,670 --> 01:39:22,910
Right.

1243
01:39:24,830 --> 01:39:25,130
OK.

1244
01:39:25,130 --> 01:39:30,330
So within the city limits it's for it's paying $20.

1245
01:39:30,330 --> 01:39:33,390
It wants you to pay $21, the free.

1246
01:39:33,770 --> 01:39:34,290
Yeah, the free.

1247
01:39:34,970 --> 01:39:35,130
Yeah.

1248
01:39:35,330 --> 01:39:36,070
That's not pays.

1249
01:39:36,230 --> 01:39:36,970
Don't pay.

1250
01:39:37,190 --> 01:39:38,670
My customer does not pay today.

1251
01:39:39,070 --> 01:39:40,970
OK, that is what we are paying.

1252
01:39:40,970 --> 01:39:42,270
We pay the county, the county.

1253
01:39:42,270 --> 01:39:45,050
Winnie, we will pay the county, 27, for that they propose.

1254
01:39:45,270 --> 01:39:46,670
Which previously was 18.

1255
01:39:46,670 --> 01:39:55,510
Correct. Got okay. I got it now. Okay. All right. Just like that. You got it free. Oh, you're doing this. I think I got it understanding. Thank you.

1256
01:39:56,810 --> 01:39:59,970
All right. Any other questions comments? No, I do want to say I'm I'm sorry.

1257
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:11,880
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The time changed so that we can make sure that all of our citizens can get to any appointments they need to be. And with that, I move the wheel for a minute.

1258
01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:24,920
And I seconded with being specific about those citizens that are impacted by dialysis and need to get to their appointments. So we're greatly appreciative of that.

1259
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:27,060
So, we second in the motion or second in the comment.

1260
01:40:27,580 --> 01:40:28,300
Second in both.

1261
01:40:29,020 --> 01:40:29,940
I like that.

1262
01:40:30,180 --> 01:40:30,600
All right.

1263
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:31,300
Motion to May.

1264
01:40:31,380 --> 01:40:32,020
If I can't remember.

1265
01:40:32,360 --> 01:40:32,520
Gentlemen.

1266
01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:32,720
Second.

1267
01:40:33,080 --> 01:40:33,500
Mayor.

1268
01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:34,680
Mayor.

1269
01:40:34,680 --> 01:40:39,780
If we could get an update at our next.

1270
01:40:40,680 --> 01:40:43,440
Workshop about the rollout of the shelters.

1271
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:46,960
I would love to be able to follow us to note.

1272
01:40:47,240 --> 01:40:49,260
Together where we are with that rollout.

1273
01:40:49,480 --> 01:40:51,260
And how many more we have to go.

1274
01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:52,420
Just to get some clarity.

1275
01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:52,960
Yes.

1276
01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:54,080
Thank you.

1277
01:40:54,860 --> 01:40:55,400
All right.

1278
01:40:55,600 --> 01:40:56,000
Any other discussion?

1279
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:01,080
Sure.

1280
01:41:02,460 --> 01:41:02,680
Sure.

1281
01:41:02,680 --> 01:41:05,140
And the bars that need to be removed.

1282
01:41:06,280 --> 01:41:08,580
We've already started removing those bars, right?

1283
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:08,920
Yes.

1284
01:41:09,620 --> 01:41:09,780
Yes.

1285
01:41:09,780 --> 01:41:10,040
Okay.

1286
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:10,860
Thank you.

1287
01:41:11,100 --> 01:41:12,020
I want to talk of those.

1288
01:41:12,420 --> 01:41:14,100
I've only seen a couple there.

1289
01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:17,320
We put a few in the middle of our chairs.

1290
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:20,640
All right.

1291
01:41:20,820 --> 01:41:21,480
Any other discussion?

1292
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:24,820
All those of every say aye.

1293
01:41:24,820 --> 01:41:26,120
I suppose say nay.

1294
01:41:26,120 --> 01:41:27,480
Motion passes five zero.

1295
01:41:28,260 --> 01:41:30,960
Let's move on to item number 12.

1296
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:31,640
Item number 12.

1297
01:41:31,660 --> 01:41:32,940
Final real item.

1298
01:41:33,080 --> 01:41:37,260
Approval to purchase one ADA vehicle for the city of Greenbull on the transit division.

1299
01:41:37,580 --> 01:41:38,760
Turn it back over to Mr. David.

1300
01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:40,640
Thank you.

1301
01:41:41,240 --> 01:41:42,600
All right, request to purchase one.

1302
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:44,340
ADA peritransit van.

1303
01:41:44,500 --> 01:41:47,300
System be a van match in the hot hot van that we saw.

1304
01:41:47,400 --> 01:41:50,620
Council previously approved the purchase of three back in February.

1305
01:41:50,620 --> 01:41:59,680
this would be adding another ADA ban. So, cost of that ban $123,370, $1.76, funding will

1306
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:07,560
come from 85 percent from our FDA funding, 15 percent from General Fund. That's what the

1307
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:13,920
ban will look like. We request the council approve the purchase of one ADA accessible pair

1308
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:16,820
transit ban, use an FTA, and general ban.

1309
01:42:20,440 --> 01:42:22,160
Any questions, motions?

1310
01:42:22,620 --> 01:42:23,200
Oh, come on.

1311
01:42:23,460 --> 01:42:24,460
All right, most of them may.

1312
01:42:24,580 --> 01:42:27,160
But council member Jones, second by council member Rob,

1313
01:42:27,180 --> 01:42:28,100
so any other discussion?

1314
01:42:29,460 --> 01:42:30,480
All those in favor say aye.

1315
01:42:30,540 --> 01:42:30,760
Aye.

1316
01:42:30,820 --> 01:42:31,620
I suppose say nay.

1317
01:42:31,660 --> 01:42:32,880
Motion passed by zero.

1318
01:42:33,060 --> 01:42:34,500
Now, what everybody's been waiting for?

1319
01:42:34,540 --> 01:42:37,140
Everybody in the audience has been waiting for.

1320
01:42:37,220 --> 01:42:38,640
The city managers report.

1321
01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:40,840
You know, it was going to be a long one tonight,

1322
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:42,120
but I will make it quick.

1323
01:42:42,220 --> 01:42:46,040
I just want to wish from wife, happy anniversary.

1324
01:42:46,040 --> 01:42:51,880
we will be celebrating our 34th waiting anniversary on Sunday and I can't wait to have a nice

1325
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:59,180
quiet meal together at Taco Bell. Hi, has anybody nominated her as a saint yet?

1326
01:42:59,560 --> 01:43:04,940
St. Pam. St. Pam. 34 years? Yeah, Mexican notes. Yeah, huge.

1327
01:43:05,780 --> 01:43:11,940
My hand. Holy cow back. She likes punishment, doesn't she? Yes. We will be enjoying our

1328
01:43:11,940 --> 01:43:16,960
Joe Bill Grande, what's the drink that they have?

1329
01:43:17,220 --> 01:43:18,680
They've got like orange drink or something.

1330
01:43:18,940 --> 01:43:19,960
Baha blast or something?

1331
01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:21,380
Get her a bite.

1332
01:43:21,420 --> 01:43:22,840
Get her a Baha blast to go with that.

1333
01:43:22,840 --> 01:43:23,100
That's right.

1334
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:23,940
Free refills.

1335
01:43:27,260 --> 01:43:28,420
That's all that.

1336
01:43:28,580 --> 01:43:29,800
May we're going to sound a quick.

1337
01:43:30,220 --> 01:43:30,780
All right.

1338
01:43:31,120 --> 01:43:31,540
Our city.

1339
01:43:31,540 --> 01:43:32,540
City Attorney's Report.

1340
01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:34,920
Quickly Mayor and council shout out to Mr. Scott.

1341
01:43:35,060 --> 01:43:39,020
And he's going to, he was re-appointed to serve on the North Carolina legal

1342
01:43:39,020 --> 01:43:43,820
municipalities legislative policy committee, so shout out to Scott for that.

1343
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:46,540
Congratulations, Scott.

1344
01:43:49,220 --> 01:43:55,220
All right, maybe this might be the most anticipated comment of the nine.

1345
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:56,720
Our city clerk's report.

1346
01:43:57,120 --> 01:44:01,900
I'm going to keep this really short. Happy birthday to my baby sister, Franny. She's 38, but still

1347
01:44:01,900 --> 01:44:03,560
I need to meet my name, Mr.

1348
01:44:03,900 --> 01:44:05,460
Oh, okay. Happy birthday.

1349
01:44:06,660 --> 01:44:07,620
That's awesome.

1350
01:44:08,780 --> 01:44:10,360
Where are we going? Are we going to start tonight?

1351
01:44:11,020 --> 01:44:11,240
Okay.

1352
01:44:11,740 --> 01:44:14,200
I'm here. I rehearse this earlier. I have no comment.

1353
01:44:17,960 --> 01:44:21,000
Just congratulations to our three teams that we recognized earlier,

1354
01:44:21,180 --> 01:44:22,800
and everybody had a great rest of your week.

1355
01:44:23,400 --> 01:44:23,780
Awesome.

1356
01:44:24,580 --> 01:44:25,160
Councillor Willes.

1357
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:26,340
Thank you, Mayor.

1358
01:44:27,460 --> 01:44:29,660
I attended the Chamber of Commerce

1359
01:44:29,660 --> 01:44:33,140
is leadership conference earlier today.

1360
01:44:33,500 --> 01:44:35,860
That was wonderful to see all the ladies come together.

1361
01:44:36,120 --> 01:44:36,920
It was very empowering.

1362
01:44:37,800 --> 01:44:39,620
So Kudos, then they do such good work.

1363
01:44:39,820 --> 01:44:41,720
And so it was a wonderful event to attend.

1364
01:44:42,340 --> 01:44:47,500
And I'll pray for a safe school year for all of the teachers

1365
01:44:47,500 --> 01:44:50,380
and administrators and students going back to school

1366
01:44:50,380 --> 01:44:51,560
with big county schools.

1367
01:44:52,060 --> 01:44:53,680
And I think that's all I have, Mayor.

1368
01:44:53,740 --> 01:44:54,040
Thank you.

1369
01:44:54,060 --> 01:44:55,340
All right, thank you very much.

1370
01:44:55,620 --> 01:44:58,040
Councillor Robinson, you just want to echo the comments

1371
01:44:58,040 --> 01:44:59,960
earlier, the first congratulations to Glenn.

1372
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:24,360
We're voting for servants for three decades. That's amazing. Congratulations to those three teams. I mean, I really hear the lady's form of just incredible players and coaches. I appreciate you volunteering your time and being a role model for these kids. It means more than you probably ever know in your lifetime, but they'll carry those lessons forward with them. And if you're watching and you have a team that's doing well, please let us know so we can have them down here at City Hall.

1373
01:45:26,060 --> 01:45:32,400
Let's see, also, thank you to everybody and staff and Valerie for a smiley mug of flowers.

1374
01:45:34,540 --> 01:45:39,260
And a gift certificate out of all, I mean, because that first two weeks I was not smiling at the neaver placement.

1375
01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:44,020
And I looked up and my wife put her right in front of me and says, it's just to do what the cup said and smile.

1376
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:49,860
And so thank y'all for doing that because I was not smiling at first two weeks, but thank y'all for thanking me during that time.

1377
01:45:53,100 --> 01:45:55,180
All right, from there, for a ten form.

1378
01:45:57,200 --> 01:46:02,120
I will mirror the comments that were made in Elvedic and the team that were here.

1379
01:46:02,540 --> 01:46:07,520
And the many teams that we have in this city on all sides that are functioning in excellence

1380
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:10,260
and putting their hard work to make these accomplishments.

1381
01:46:11,200 --> 01:46:11,740
That's all.

1382
01:46:12,260 --> 01:46:13,460
All right.

1383
01:46:14,020 --> 01:46:15,720
I echo what everyone else said.

1384
01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:17,200
Now I need a motion to adjourn.

1385
01:46:17,200 --> 01:46:18,160
Don't judge her.

1386
01:46:18,160 --> 01:46:18,560
Thank you.

1387
01:46:18,620 --> 01:46:18,880
Thank you.

1388
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:22,660
I'm Lucien Femade, but I can't let me rob some second-by-mirror pro-tenum.

1389
01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:24,040
Formant all those of you who say aye?

1390
01:46:24,300 --> 01:46:25,180
I suppose say nay.

1391
01:46:25,260 --> 01:46:26,060
Thank you, Pamela Scott.

1392
01:46:26,580 --> 01:46:27,420
We are adjourned.