[3:54] All right. Good evening.
[3:54] I
[3:55] d like to welcome everyone to
[3:58] the AUGUST 13th, 2026 meeting
[3:59] of the Greenville City Council.
[4:00] I
[4:01] m mayor P.J. Connelly for
[4:01] presiding over tonight
[4:01] s
[4:02] meeting. First, I
[4:02] d like to
[4:03] call on Mayor Pro Tem Forman
[4:04] for the invocation, followed by
[4:06] the Pledge of Allegiance.
[4:08] Thank you. Mayor. Um, I was
[4:12] reminded this week of my wife.
[4:16] And oftentimes that, uh, we
[4:16] don
[4:19] t remember what the reason
[4:22] is that we do this work. And so
[4:23] I was led to share with us
[4:26] tonight, uh, first Corinthians
[4:29] 13. And it goes as if I speak
[4:33] in tongues of men or of angels,
[4:36] but do not have love. I
[4:36] m only
[4:40] a resounding gong or cymbal
[4:44] clanging. If I have the gifts
[4:47] of prophecy and can fathom all
[4:49] mysteries and all knowledge.
[4:51] And if I have faith and can
[4:53] move mountains, but do not have
[4:56] love, I am nothing. If I give
[4:59] all I possess to the poor, and
[5:01] give over my body to hardship,
[5:04] that I MAY boast only, but do
[5:05] not have love, I
[5:06] ve gained
[5:09] nothing. Love is patient. Love
[5:13] is kind. Love does not envy. It
[5:15] does not boast. It is not
[5:18] proud. It does not dishonor
[5:21] others. It is not self-seeking.
[5:24] It is not easily angered. It
[5:27] keeps no record of wrongs. Love
[5:29] does not delight in evil, but
[5:34] rejoices in truth. It always
[5:37] protects, always trust, always
[5:39] hopes. And it always
[5:41] perseveres. And my favorite
[5:43] part of this is verse eight
[5:46] that says, love never fails.
[5:47] Amen.
[5:48] Please stand for the Pledge of
[5:52] Allegiance.
[5:54] And allegiance to the flag of
[5:57] the United States of America,
[5:59] and to the Republic for which
[6:01] it stands. One nation under
[6:04] GOD, indivisible, with liberty
[6:10] and justice for all.
[6:11] MADAM Clerk, will you please
[6:12] call the roll?
[6:14] Yes, sir. Mayor Connolly here.
[6:16] Mayor Pro Tem Forman. Here.
[6:17] Council member Jones. Here.
[6:19] Council member. Hardy. Here.
[6:20] Um, Councilmember Sculley has
[6:21] let us know he will not be
[6:22] attending this evening. Council
[6:23] member Robinson here. Council
[6:24] member Willis here. All right.
[6:25] Mayor Connolly of.
[6:26] Thank you very much. We
[6:26] ll now
[6:27] move on to approval of
[6:27] tonight
[6:28] s agenda. MISTER
[6:29] Manager, any recommended
[6:29] changes?
[6:30] I have no changes.
[6:31] All right. Do I have a motion
[6:31] to approve?
[6:32] Motion to approve. Second.
[6:33] All right. Motion has been made
[6:35] by Councilmember Jones and by
[6:35] Councilmember Robinson. All
[6:36] those in favor say aye. Aye,
[6:38] aye. Opposed. Say nay.
[6:39] Motion passes five zero.
[6:43] Move on to special recognitions.
[6:50] I
[6:52] d like to ask Glen Wooten to
[7:00] come forward. Family.
[7:06] Sorry.
[7:11] So it is my honor to recognize
[7:14] Glen Wooten for his retirement
[7:16] from the city of Greenville.
[7:16] And I
[7:17] d just like to take a few
[7:20] minutes to read some comments
[7:22] that came directly from some of
[7:25] your coworkers. Just about you.
[7:28] All right, Glen, you, uh, you
[7:30] began your work with the city
[7:33] right out of high school, and,
[7:34] uh, started when the Public
[7:35] Works Department spent several
[7:37] years there and then
[7:38] transitioned over to the
[7:40] Recreation and Parks Department
[7:42] over the course of your career.
[7:44] Glen, you a valuable member of
[7:48] the team and built a reputation
[7:50] for doing things the right way.
[7:52] Now, they say, if you know
[7:54] Glen, you know that his truck
[7:56] and his tools retrieve like
[7:59] Fort Knox and everything was
[8:02] always locked up, organized,
[8:05] and exactly where it belonged.
[8:07] Glen is an incredibly skilled
[8:10] welder and craftsman, and
[8:11] someone who takes pride in his
[8:14] work as a building facilities
[8:16] technician and the department
[8:16] s
[8:19] chief playground inspector. He
[8:20] made sure the facilities were
[8:23] safe, clean and ready for the
[8:24] use by the public. Glen also
[8:26] spent his time mentoring
[8:28] younger employees throughout
[8:30] his career, passing on his eye
[8:32] for detail and workplace
[8:34] knowledge. The attention to
[8:36] detail and willingness to teach
[8:37] others are some of Glen
[8:38] s
[8:39] greatest qualities as an
[8:42] employee. And Glen, we, uh, we
[8:43] were fortunate enough to spend
[8:46] some time together a couple of
[8:48] weeks ago, and I told you at
[8:50] that point in time that that I
[8:52] felt that there was no greater,
[8:54] you know, gift in your life
[8:56] than to serve others. And
[8:58] clearly, that number of years
[9:00] you have gone above and beyond
[9:02] to serve this community and
[9:03] touched the lives of people
[9:04] that you
[9:05] ll never know. But
[9:07] now, after reading all the
[9:08] great things that your your
[9:09] department had to say about
[9:10] you, I
[9:11] d say also with that,
[9:11] there
[9:13] s no greater honor than
[9:14] to have individuals that you
[9:17] have worked around for years
[9:19] talk so great about what type
[9:20] of person you are, not just
[9:21] worker, but what kind of person
[9:23] you are. So on behalf of the
[9:24] City Council and the city
[9:25] manager
[9:26] s office and
[9:28] recreation, parks,
[9:30] congratulations and GOD bless
[9:31] you. Thank you for everything
[9:31] you
[9:32] ve done for the City of
[9:42] Greenville. Try to get this
[9:43] right without dropping it and
[9:44] breaking it, okay? Because it
[9:44] s
[9:46] got the mayor in my name and my
[9:48] name on it says in recognition
[9:51] of 29 years and eight months of
[9:54] outstanding service, we extend
[9:56] our sincere appreciation to
[9:58] Ronald Glen Wooten.
[9:59] Congratulations.
[10:11] Thank you.
[10:13] All right.
[10:15] Now, if I could ask the members
[10:16] of the impact generates
[10:18] influence basketball team, both
[10:19] the 12 you and the high school
[10:20] team to come forward. Any
[10:48] members that we MAY have.
[10:50] Congratulations, guys. Bring
[10:53] your.
[10:53] Oh.
[10:55] Hell yeah. There. You got it.
[10:57] I said earlier, I was I if I
[10:58] just had a little bit more
[10:59] time, I would have set that
[11:00] basketball gold up on the first
[11:02] floor. So we could have had the
[11:03] game before the meeting
[11:06] started. It is also, uh, my
[11:10] honor to recognize the igi. And
[11:10] that
[11:11] s what I will say. The the
[11:12] impact generates influence
[11:15] basketball team. Both the 12
[11:17] team and the high school team.
[11:20] They are local aew program with
[11:22] both a 12 year team again and a
[11:24] high school team all year long.
[11:26] Teams go head to head with
[11:28] tough competition and always
[11:30] bringing their best. They have
[11:32] some awesome wins lately. Let
[11:34] me tell you about those. The 12
[11:37] u team took home the 2025
[11:39] National Championship, and the
[11:41] high school team grabbed second
[11:43] place at nationals this year.
[11:45] But iga is about more than just
[11:47] basketball. They really focus
[11:49] on teaching their players to
[11:51] work hard, make good choices
[11:54] and stay true to themselves.
[11:55] The lessons learned on the
[11:57] court help shape what these
[11:59] athletes are and prepare them
[12:01] for whatever comes next in
[12:02] life. And now, what I
[12:02] d like to
[12:04] do is it might not be everyone
[12:06] here, but I would like to to
[12:09] recognize those with you where
[12:10] the certificates.
[12:13] Right here. So.
[12:13] I
[12:14] m going to.
[12:15] Let.
[12:16] So I
[12:17] m going to start with the
[12:20] 12 u team. And council member
[12:22] Tonya Foreman would like to
[12:24] present you with a certificate.
[12:25] Well, let me see if I can get
[12:27] this going right here. So we
[12:32] have, uh, Cruz Arrington.
[12:37] Domini Byram.
[12:40] Congratulations.
[12:43] Amari Smith.
[12:45] Congratulation.
[12:55] Jj Jones. Kamari. Farmer.
[13:01] Carter. Smith. Jordan. Smith.
[13:05] Zion. Cherry. Kaden. Taft.
[13:09] Troy. Harris and Jeremiah
[13:16] Williams. What a great honor.
[13:16] Guys, let
[13:27] s give them a. Now we
[13:34] have the high school kids.
[13:37] Okay.
[13:37] Let
[13:41] s try to double team this.
[13:50] We have Brenden Porter.
[13:54] Christian Eisler.
[13:58] Not here.
[14:07] Uh, Jackson Foster. Jalen Rasco.
[14:17] Keyon Beal. Keyshawn farmer.
[14:26] Landon. Ashley. Loyalty. Fuller.
[14:38] Enrique. Beal. Bonham. Ty.
[14:43] Daniels. And where
[14:44] s coach at?
[14:44] Where
[14:45] s Antoine.
[14:47] At?
[14:51] Come on up, dude. And, uh,
[15:06] Coach Smith. Tony.
[15:08] Amari.
[15:09] And Kamari. I
[15:10] d like to
[15:16] recognize Kamara as well. So
[15:17] now I
[15:18] ll turn it over to
[15:21] council members.
[15:23] I just want to make sure that
[15:25] these teams are acknowledged
[15:28] for their hard work, their
[15:30] commitment and excellence, as
[15:31] well as the coaches and the
[15:33] families that have supported
[15:35] them to accomplish these goals.
[15:36] These are great accomplishments
[15:38] that they work very hard for.
[15:38] I
[15:41] m proud of you guys.
[15:43] Also, I want to echo that too.
[15:44] Congratulations, guys. It
[15:44] s
[15:45] awesome to be able to see you
[15:46] guys competing at such a high
[15:47] level, representing our
[15:50] community, going out there and
[15:51] showing good sportsmanship.
[15:53] Thank you to the coaches. Uh,
[15:54] the coaches, uh, are they pour
[15:56] a lot of their time and effort
[15:58] into making sure that they
[15:58] teach you the game, but they
[15:58] re
[16:00] also teaching you other things,
[16:00] too, that you
[16:01] re going to take
[16:02] the rest of your life. So thank
[16:03] you for doing that and stepping
[16:04] up. It
[16:04] s not easy. It
[16:05] s a huge
[16:06] time commitment. I know that.
[16:06] It
[16:06] s, uh, it
[16:07] s tough sometimes
[16:09] you have to take off work. Uh,
[16:09] but it
[16:10] s good. And I think
[16:11] these guys will appreciate
[16:12] everything that you
[16:12] ve done
[16:13] over this season. And they
[16:13] re
[16:14] going to continue to look back
[16:17] at you as a good role model for
[16:19] making them better in life as
[16:31] they get older. So thank you.
[16:57] Okay. All right.
[17:05] For. All right.
[17:05] Now I
[17:07] d like to invite the 252
[17:09] ladies warms up here. Come on
[17:42] ladies. All right. These young
[17:57] ladies are swarming the stage.
[18:00] All right. Again, it is my
[18:02] honor to recognize the two,
[18:04] five, two ladies swarm. This is
[18:07] a local, uh, a local aew team
[18:09] that has achieved remarkable
[18:11] success in their inaugural
[18:14] inaugural year of competition.
[18:15] The team is made up of players
[18:17] from Pitt County, many of whom
[18:19] have previously played together
[18:20] in all star leagues and
[18:22] tournaments, with a regular
[18:24] season record of 16 and five,
[18:25] they earned the opportunity to
[18:27] compete at Nationals in
[18:29] Virginia Beach. They came
[18:31] second to a more seasonal and
[18:34] experienced team, just shy of
[18:35] the championship by one point,
[18:37] which is basically basically
[18:38] winning. Their outstanding
[18:40] performance is a tournament to
[18:42] their strong work ethic,
[18:44] determination and discipline.
[18:46] Now, I would also like to
[18:47] recognize each of you young
[18:49] ladies and present you with a
[18:52] certificate. We have scholar
[18:53] Zachary.
[18:55] All.
[19:06] London Pierce. Eva. Kate
[19:13] Stilton. Chelsea. Wilkes.
[19:26] Brielle. Little. Zoe. Watts.
[19:41] Jory. Morgan. Shayna. Heath. I
[19:45] love this name. Carmen. Cordon.
[19:49] Oh.
[19:51] I have to get. I have to get my
[19:53] spell checker. Get on my spell.
[19:57] Checker. Uh.
[20:13] Uh, Levy. Mia. Perry. And we.
[20:13] Let
[20:14] s all give them another
[20:14] round of.
[20:24] Applause.
[20:25] Anything else? What are you.
[20:27] Did?
[20:43] Yeah. Fumbling. So I want to
[20:45] reiterate the congratulations
[20:46] that I have for these young
[20:48] ladies. I have seen them play.
[20:49] And these are some real
[20:52] ballers. You all. Um, also, I
[20:54] want to elevate Mia Perry
[20:56] because I understand that she
[20:58] was the highest scorer as well
[21:01] as, um, had the most rebounds.
[21:04] Is that correct? Huh? She
[21:05] s
[21:08] acting shy. Alrighty. Okay, so
[21:08] we
[21:09] re gonna elevate her for
[21:11] that and, um, and congratulate
[21:12] the coaches also, thank you
[21:14] guys for everything you do in
[21:20] our community.
[21:22] Congratulations, ladies. Again.
[21:22] Um, I
[21:23] m not going to say that I
[21:25] who it was, but I talked to one
[21:26] of the ladies up here, and I
[21:26] asked them if they could take
[21:29] the guys, and they gave me a.
[21:31] Yeah. So, hey, I
[21:32] m just saying.
[21:34] So if something. Hey, if
[21:35] something takes place in the
[21:36] parking lot down there, I get
[21:38] it, okay. Hey. Congratulations,
[21:38] lady. We
[21:39] re really proud of
[21:39] you. I think it
[21:40] s awesome the
[21:42] accomplishment that you, uh,
[21:43] you were able to to accomplish
[21:45] with, uh, coming in second
[21:45] place. That
[21:47] s awesome. Hey, the
[21:48] one thing I always tell my
[21:48] girls. I
[21:49] m a coach. I coach
[21:50] softball. One thing I always
[21:52] tell them is, is when you lose,
[21:54] make sure you take that the
[21:56] next game that you play and
[21:57] make you work even harder. So
[21:58] that that next time you
[21:58] re the
[21:59] one celebrating, you
[22:00] re not the
[22:01] one with your heads down,
[22:02] crying and upset that you
[22:02] didn
[22:03] t win. Make sure that you
[22:05] always work as hard as you
[22:06] possibly can, because it will
[22:07] translate from what you do on
[22:09] the basketball court into life.
[22:10] And make sure that you work as
[22:11] hard as you possibly can,
[22:12] because anything that you want
[22:13] to do in life, you can
[22:14] accomplish and never forget
[22:24] that. Congratulations.
[22:44] I sounds great.
[22:44] You know, I
[22:46] m used to it.
[22:46] That
[22:48] s all that. Hey.
[22:49] It happens, man.
[22:50] You got.
[22:51] I try to give a hand.
[22:53] To shrug it off. I
[22:54] ll sit right
[22:57] here. All right?
[22:57] I won
[22:59] t be the last time.
[23:01] I hear the Lady Swarm team is
[23:02] they got a team. I
[23:02] ve heard
[23:02] there
[23:03] s some ballers. That
[23:03] s a
[23:05] really good place, I really do.
[23:07] I got the inside track.
[23:08] You would be surprised.
[23:10] I probably about 30, huh? So
[23:11] first, here
[23:12] s, you know. Can
[23:14] you imagine? So I
[23:14] d love to see
[23:14] it. I
[23:15] d love to see it.
[23:16] And they
[23:17] re at various schools
[23:20] around the city. So..
[23:20] Yeah.
[23:22] Can you play basketball?
[23:23] I was a point guard.
[23:23] Oh. Are you.
[23:25] Where are you? Good shooter.
[23:27] I was yeah, I was.
[23:29] I could imagine.
[23:29] You know.
[23:30] Did you break some ankles?
[23:31] I was a Dennis Rodman a
[23:33] rebound. Oh, I was pretty good.
[23:34] No good. Hi.
[23:34] I
[23:34] m. I
[23:35] m pretty good.
[23:35] I
[23:36] m gonna have to.
[23:36] I
[23:36] m gonna have to look up some
[23:37] of that.
[23:44] Footage. All right.
[23:45] Okay, good. All right, we
[23:46] ll
[23:46] move on to the public comment.
[23:48] Period of time periods. Period.
[23:48] Reserve for comments to public
[23:49] items that were scheduled to be
[23:50] a subject of a hearing.
[23:51] Conducted this meeting or
[23:52] another meeting in the same
[23:53] week shall not be discussed. A
[23:54] total of 30 minutes is
[23:55] allocated, with each individual
[23:56] being allowed no more than
[23:57] three minutes. Individuals who
[23:59] register will speak or register
[24:00] with the City Clerk will speak
[24:02] in the order registered until
[24:02] the allotted 30 minutes
[24:04] expires. If time remains after
[24:05] all persons have registered
[24:06] have spoken, individuals did
[24:06] not register will have an
[24:07] opportunity to until the lot of
[24:09] 30 minutes expires. MADAM
[24:10] Clerk, our first speaker.
[24:12] Yes, sir. First speaker is MISS
[24:13] Gwen Green. You have three
[24:14] minutes to address the mayor
[24:15] and council at that podium
[24:20] right there.
[24:21] Today
[24:30] s date.
[24:33] Mayor Conley, Mayor Pro Tem
[24:35] Forman, city council members,
[24:37] city staff and members of the
[24:39] community. Good evening.
[24:40] Good evening.
[24:40] I
[24:42] m Gwen Green. I
[24:43] m a
[24:46] Greenville resident. And I
[24:47] think of myself as being a
[24:48] vested and involved community
[24:51] member. I serve in
[24:53] organizations like Delta Sigma
[24:55] Theta sorority. I serve on many
[24:57] community committees. The
[24:58] National Council of Negro Women
[24:59] where I serve on the Budget and
[25:01] Finance Committee. I
[25:01] m a
[25:03] regular volunteer at my church,
[25:06] Koinonia Christian Center. I
[25:08] also volunteered with the West
[25:09] Greenville Health Council,
[25:11] where I co-wrote the proposal
[25:13] that brought face masks, hand
[25:14] sanitizer and other supplies to
[25:16] nonprofits, community
[25:18] organizations, and churches,
[25:19] along with now volunteering
[25:21] with Pastor Rodney Coles of the
[25:21] church
[25:22] s outreach network to
[25:23] establish children
[25:24] s book clubs
[25:26] and afterschool programs, we
[25:26] re
[25:28] hoping to disrupt the school to
[25:30] prison pipeline. And before I
[25:34] moved here some 12 years ago, I
[25:35] volunteered with a number of
[25:36] other volunteer organizations,
[25:38] including a community
[25:40] development board and a
[25:44] redevelopment board. In total
[25:46] transparency. I also serve as a
[25:48] commissioner on the Housing
[25:50] Authority of Greenville and in
[25:53] fact serve as its chair
[25:55] tonight. However, in the time I
[25:57] have left, I
[25:58] d like to allay
[26:00] the fears of some of the city
[26:06] councilors. The Housing
[26:09] Authority staff truly are
[26:11] working every day to provide
[26:13] safe, decent housing for our
[26:17] residents. I will concede to
[26:19] you that they
[26:20] re working under
[26:23] some very difficult
[26:26] circumstances. Most of our
[26:28] facilities are some 4050 years
[26:30] old. It gets real hard to fix
[26:34] those up and clean them up to
[26:37] the standard that we would all
[26:42] like to live in. However. I
[26:42] d
[26:43] like to address a couple of
[26:45] other issues that were raised
[26:48] in your work session, one of
[26:52] which was the inspire report.
[26:54] As it was presented. It truly
[26:59] was pretty alarming. However, I
[27:00] want you to know the Housing
[27:02] Authority staff was responsive
[27:04] to all the issues that were
[27:08] outlined in the inspire reports.
[27:10] Life threatening issues as
[27:13] defined by hud include smoke
[27:17] detectors, gfci replacements,
[27:19] rust on electrical panels, all
[27:22] of which have to be repaired or
[27:25] replaced within 24 hours. While
[27:27] non-threatening issues must be
[27:29] corrected within 30 days.
[27:29] That
[27:30] s time.
[27:31] You keep going.
[27:34] So the reports for 2024 were
[27:36] corrected within 24 hours for
[27:38] things like smoke detectors and
[27:40] gfci units, including a water
[27:42] heater flute that had a
[27:44] downward slope. They were they
[27:45] were corrected. I
[27:46] ve got the
[27:48] details here for you. And a box
[27:50] back there in case someone here
[27:52] would like to see the paperwork
[27:58] itself. As to the finances,
[28:00] financial reports are provided,
[28:02] presented and accepted at every
[28:05] meeting. Reports on rent
[28:07] collection and defaults are
[28:09] discussed because that too is a
[28:10] key responsibility of the
[28:12] Housing authority to collect
[28:14] the rents and by federal
[28:17] mandate and outside audit is
[28:19] conducted annually by a
[28:21] reputable financial
[28:22] organization that is actually
[28:24] switched out every three years
[28:26] to ensure that we are going to
[28:29] get fair representation of the
[28:29] work that we
[28:30] re doing. The
[28:32] latest audit was conducted by
[28:34] Rector, Lofton and Reeder for
[28:38] the fiscal year 2025, and I
[28:38] ll
[28:39] read very quickly their
[28:41] opinion. In our opinion, the
[28:42] accompanying financial
[28:44] statements referred to above
[28:45] present fairly in all material
[28:47] respects, the respective
[28:48] financial position of the
[28:50] business type activities of the
[28:51] Housing Authority of the City
[28:53] of Greenville. As of SEPTEMBER
[28:55] 30th, 2025, and the respective
[28:57] changes in financial position
[28:58] and where applicable, cash
[29:00] flows thereof for the year then
[29:01] ended in accordance with
[29:03] accounting principles generally
[29:05] accepted in the United States
[29:07] of America as to a work order
[29:09] process, none of us are
[29:10] satisfied with the existing
[29:12] process. The. The board
[29:14] receives a work order report
[29:16] every month it gets discussed.
[29:18] If not every meeting, then
[29:19] every other meeting. The need
[29:21] for a better system is, without
[29:25] question, needed. However, the
[29:26] Housing Authority is going
[29:29] through a total software
[29:32] transition. The transition is
[29:35] being phased in so that we want
[29:37] to make sure that things like
[29:38] grant funding is being
[29:41] accounted for properly, that
[29:43] our, um, accounts receivables
[29:45] and account payables, that it
[29:45] s
[29:49] working. And so if you will,
[29:50] the deadline for all of this
[29:52] phased phasing in will be
[29:56] completed by DECEMBER of 2026.
[29:57] But you got to give us time.
[29:57] We
[29:59] re not satisfied with the
[30:00] processes it currently is. We
[30:02] want tenants. We want our
[30:04] residents to be able to know
[30:06] that their work order has been
[30:08] accepted. Finally, as I know
[30:08] I
[30:10] m running out of time, I
[30:11] ve
[30:12] reached out to our Mayor Pro
[30:15] Tem at our last board meeting,
[30:17] I stated that we needed to get
[30:18] into a better relationship with
[30:20] the city, that it would not be
[30:23] possible to easily build brand
[30:25] new structures, brand new homes
[30:26] without support from the city.
[30:28] Members of City Council. I
[30:30] stand here this evening telling
[30:32] you I suffer with housing
[30:35] authority envy. I envy the
[30:37] Denver, the Durham Housing
[30:39] Authority because right now
[30:40] they
[30:41] ve got three developments
[30:43] in process various stages of
[30:44] development, one of which
[30:46] includes the Hey Ty village,
[30:48] which some of you MAY remember
[30:49] and recall. That
[30:50] s Durham
[30:50] s
[30:56] black market. Black Wall
[30:56] Street, I
[30:59] m sorry. There are
[31:01] many phrases that come to mind
[31:02] to describe the current
[31:05] situation. I think a failure to
[31:07] communicate at this point in
[31:10] time probably says it best. And
[31:12] so it is that I ask that a
[31:13] meeting be held with the
[31:15] Housing Authority to better
[31:16] understand not only what is
[31:18] being done, but what has been
[31:19] accomplished and what we
[31:20] d like
[31:22] to see going forward. Though
[31:23] there have been some quarterly
[31:24] managers meeting with city
[31:26] staff, clearly there needs to
[31:28] be more so that respectful and
[31:30] respected lines of
[31:31] communication can be
[31:33] established. I thank you all
[31:34] for listening. Thank you.
[31:35] Thank you.
[31:37] MR. Green.
[31:39] Thank you.
[31:41] MADAM Clerk, our next speaker.
[31:43] We do not have any additional
[31:43] registered speakers.
[31:44] Anyone else would like speak
[31:45] during the public period.
[31:46] Please come forward. State your
[31:48] name. For the record, you have
[32:00] three minutes. All right. See
[32:00] you now. We
[32:01] ll close the public
[32:01] hearing. We
[32:04] ll move on to our
[32:07] appointments. MADAM Clerk.
[32:07] Okay?
[32:09] Yes, sir. First appointment
[32:10] that we have is to the Invest
[32:11] Greenville Board. That
[32:13] s, um, a
[32:14] nomination made by you, Mayor
[32:16] Connolly.
[32:19] I would like to reappoint, uh,
[32:20] MR. Robert Cherry.
[32:21] Okay. They
[32:21] ll need some help.
[32:22] Make a motion.
[32:23] Motion to.
[32:24] Appoint Robert Cherry second.
[32:25] All right. Motion by MAY. By
[32:27] Councilmember Robinson. Second
[32:28] by Councilmember Jones. All
[32:29] those in favor say aye.
[32:30] Aye, aye.
[32:30] Those opposed? Nay.
[32:32] Motion passes five zero.
[32:34] Congratulations, MR. Cherry.
[32:40] Okay. And that concludes
[32:41] appointments from West
[32:41] Greenville.
[32:43] All right.
[32:44] Can you roll right on the.
[32:45] Number five. Okay.
[32:47] Um, boards and commissions,
[32:48] board of adjustment. Um,
[32:51] Councilmember Jones.
[32:54] I would like to, um, nominate
[32:58] the Lewis.
[33:00] All right. Is there a second?
[33:01] Second? All right. Motion
[33:01] s
[33:02] been made by Councilmember
[33:03] Jones. Thank you, Councilmember
[33:04] Hardy. All those in favor say
[33:04] aye.
[33:05] Aye, aye.
[33:06] Those opposed. Nay, nay.
[33:07] Motion passes five zero.
[33:09] Congratulations. And the Geo.
[33:10] Jones.
[33:10] Um.
[33:10] Hello.
[33:13] Lewis. Lewis.
[33:14] Yeah. That
[33:15] s Thursday.
[33:17] Uh, next we have the
[33:18] Environmental Advisory
[33:21] Commission. Um, that that, uh,
[33:23] appointment is assigned to
[33:24] Councilmember Skelly, so we
[33:25] will check with him next month.
[33:27] Um, next we have the Historic
[33:28] Preservation Commission.
[33:29] Council member Hardy.
[33:29] Uh, let
[33:30] s continue that,
[33:30] please.
[33:33] Okay. Um, we do have the
[33:34] Housing Authority appointment,
[33:35] however, that is for the
[33:37] resident Commissioner seat, and
[33:38] we are still waiting on a
[33:40] nomination from the residents
[33:41] Council, so I don
[33:41] t have one to
[33:43] give to you tonight. Um,
[33:44] multimodal Transportation
[33:45] Commission. Council member
[33:46] Jones.
[33:46] i
[33:48] ll let you continue that one.
[33:51] Okay. Um, also, multimodal
[33:53] Transportation Commission Mayor
[33:54] Pro Tem Forman.
[33:55] I would like to nominate
[33:57] Jonathan Metellus.
[33:58] Second.
[33:58] All right. Motion
[33:59] s been made
[34:02] by Mayor Pro Tem Forman. Second
[34:03] by Councilmember Robinson. All
[34:04] those in favor say aye. Aye,
[34:05] aye. Those opposed say nay.
[34:07] Motion passes five zero.
[34:09] Congratulations, MR. Metellus.
[34:10] Okay.
[34:12] Um. Next. Well, no. So
[34:13] multimodal. Transportation
[34:15] Commission Council member.
[34:15] Hardy.
[34:16] I like to continue that as
[34:16] well.
[34:19] Okay. Um, next we have the
[34:20] Greenville Convention and
[34:21] Visitors Authority.
[34:23] Councilmember Robinson.
[34:23] Um.
[34:24] Intend to meet with Rachel
[34:25] Whitten before I make that
[34:26] decision. And she just got in,
[34:28] so I want to do that. So I
[34:28] d
[34:29] ask that be tabled.
[34:31] Okay. Yes, sir. Um, next we
[34:32] have the planning and Zoning
[34:33] Commission. Mayor Pro Tem
[34:34] Forman.
[34:34] I
[34:37] ll continue that one. Okay.
[34:40] Um, police community relations
[34:41] committee, Councilmember
[34:42] Robinson.
[34:43] Uh, continue that, please.
[34:46] Okay. Yes, sir. Recreation and
[34:47] parks. Also, Councilmember
[34:48] Robinson.
[34:49] I would nominate Brian Fields.
[34:50] Okay.
[34:54] All right. Is there a second? I
[34:55] think I heard of this. I think
[34:57] I heard a split second there.
[34:58] Um, motion has been made by
[34:59] Councilmember Robinson, second
[35:00] by Councilmember Jones. All
[35:01] those in favor say aye.
[35:02] Aye, aye.
[35:03] Opposed? Say nay.
[35:04] Motion passes five zero.
[35:06] Congratulations, MR. Fields.
[35:07] All right, Mayor Conley, that
[35:08] concludes appointments.
[35:10] Thank you very much. We will
[35:11] now move on to new business,
[35:12] which are the public hearings.
[35:13] This is the policy of public
[35:14] hearings adopted by the City
[35:15] Council, petitioner or
[35:15] representative of the
[35:16] petitioner and a leader of
[35:17] those in opposition. We
[35:17] ll each
[35:18] have ten minutes Persis
[35:18] following. Then we
[35:19] ll have up
[35:19] to three minutes each with a
[35:20] total for each side, no more
[35:22] than 30 minutes. Additionally,
[35:22] we will remind those in
[35:23] attendance to extend the
[35:24] courtesy to person speaking
[35:26] during the public hearing and
[35:27] to the City Council during
[35:28] discussions. Comments made by
[35:29] members of the public are to
[35:30] occur only during the public
[35:31] hearing is allowed by the mayor
[35:32] in accordance with the adopted
[35:33] policy of the City Council.
[35:34] There should be no
[35:35] interruptions of speakers or
[35:35] council members, including
[35:37] expressions of support or
[35:38] disagreements or earlier by
[35:39] applause. As this is
[35:40] distracting and makes
[35:41] discussion difficult, we ask
[35:43] for your cooperation. Thank
[35:45] you, MR. Manager. Our first
[35:45] public hearing.
[35:47] Thank you. Mayor. Item number
[35:48] six ordinance to annex
[35:51] Cobblestone South involving
[35:54] 2.2168 acres located east of
[35:55] Allen Road and at the current
[35:57] terminus of Quail Drive. I
[35:57] ll
[35:58] now call forward our city
[36:00] planner, Deon Hodge, for the
[36:05] presentation.
[36:05] Yeah.
[36:07] Good evening, Mayor and
[36:07] Council.
[36:11] Good evening. I like it, I like
[36:13] it.
[36:15] This property is located in the
[36:16] southwestern quadrant of the
[36:20] city. More specifically, this
[36:21] property is located east of
[36:23] Allen Road and at the current
[36:25] terminus of Quail Drive. The
[36:27] current city limits are shown
[36:30] in green. The subject property
[36:32] is shown in red. This property
[36:34] is located in the Green Mill
[36:37] Run watershed. This property is
[36:39] located in the primary service
[36:41] area on the tiered growth map,
[36:43] and would be located in City
[36:45] Council voting district number
[36:47] two. This property is
[36:49] anticipated to yield 1010
[36:51] single family lots, with an
[36:55] estimated tax value of $3.25
[36:56] million. And that
[36:57] s. This
[36:59] property is located in the itj.
[37:00] It is important to note that
[37:01] under section six of Goose
[37:02] s
[37:03] charter, the development can
[37:05] still be provided. Sanitary
[37:07] sewer. If the annexation is
[37:08] denied, and I
[37:08] d be happy to
[37:10] answer any questions.
[37:11] Any questions?
[37:15] Uh, can you go back to the
[37:21] first. Uh, move forward? I
[37:22] m
[37:24] sorry. The map. The first map?
[37:24] No, it
[37:25] s the second map. Move
[37:28] forward with the red one. Yes.
[37:32] I just want to look at it again.
[37:40] Okay.
[37:41] All right.
[37:48] Any questions? Thank you very.
[37:50] Much.
[37:51] All right. The public hearing
[37:52] is now open. Those who speak on
[37:53] behalf, the applicant MAY come
[37:53] forth. Please state your name
[37:54] for the record. Your first
[37:55] person has ten minutes. All
[38:07] others have three minutes.
[38:08] Seeing none, those in
[38:09] opposition to the applicant
[38:10] come forward. Please state your
[38:11] name. For the record. The first
[38:12] person has ten minutes. All
[38:26] others have three minutes. I
[38:28] see none. Public hearing is now
[38:29] closed up for a board
[38:30] discussion or motion.
[38:32] Motion to approve. Second. All
[38:32] right.
[38:34] Motion for MAY by Councilmember
[38:35] Willis. Second by Councilmember
[38:37] Robinson. Any other discussion?
[38:38] All those in favor say aye.
[38:39] Aye, aye.
[38:40] Those opposed say nay.
[38:42] Motion passes five zero.
[38:43] Item number seven.
[38:43] All right. Thank you. Mayor.
[38:45] Item number seven. Ordinance to
[38:46] annex Lyndale East. Section
[38:48] five, phase two, involving
[38:50] 10.79 acres located at the
[38:52] current terminus of Remington
[38:54] Drive and Stonehenge Drive.
[38:55] Again, call for our city
[38:57] planner, Deon Hodge for the
[39:05] presentation.
[39:07] So this property is located in
[39:08] the southeastern quadrant of
[39:10] the city. More specifically,
[39:12] this property is located at the
[39:14] current termini of Remington
[39:16] Drive and Stonehenge Drive. The
[39:18] current city limits are shown
[39:20] in green. The subject property
[39:22] is shown in red. This property
[39:24] is located in the Fork Swamp
[39:27] watershed. This property is
[39:28] located in the primary service
[39:30] area on the tiered growth map,
[39:31] and will be located in City
[39:33] Council voting district number
[39:36] four. This property is
[39:38] anticipated to yield 21 single
[39:40] family lots, with an estimated
[39:46] tax value of $14.7 million. And
[39:47] as this property is located in
[39:49] the itj. It is important to
[39:51] note that under section six of
[39:53] gcs charter, the development
[39:54] can still be provided. Sanitary
[39:56] sewer. If the annexation is
[39:57] denied, and I
[39:58] d be happy to
[39:59] answer any questions.
[40:00] All right.
[40:01] Any questions for MR. Hodge?
[40:02] Just one. Do you anticipate
[40:03] that when they
[40:03] re built out,
[40:04] that they will connect to
[40:06] Stonehenge so they can exit out
[40:07] to Arlington?
[40:08] Exactly. Thank you. That seems
[40:09] to be the.
[40:09] Their goal.
[40:10] There. All right.
[40:15] Any other questions? Thank you
[40:17] very much. Public hearing is
[40:18] now open. Those to speak on
[40:19] behalf of the applicant MAY
[40:20] come forward. Please state your
[40:21] name for the record, the first
[40:22] person has ten minutes. All
[40:31] others have three minutes.
[40:33] Good evening. Good evening.
[40:33] I
[40:34] m Dwight.
[40:36] Nelson with Rivers and
[40:36] Associates. We
[40:37] re the agent for
[40:39] the owner. And, uh, be glad to
[40:41] answer any questions you MAY
[40:41] have. That
[40:42] s all.
[40:51] All right. Any questions? Thank
[40:52] you very much. Thank you. That
[40:54] was a great presentation.
[40:54] That
[40:55] s my.
[40:55] Favorites.
[40:58] All right. Anyone else is here
[40:58] to speak on behalf? The
[40:59] applicant MAY come forward.
[41:00] Please state your name for the
[41:13] record, you have three minutes.
[41:14] Seeing none, those in
[41:15] opposition to the applicant
[41:16] come forward. Please state your
[41:17] name for the record. The first
[41:18] person has ten minutes. All
[41:29] others have three minutes.
[41:30] Seeing none. Public hearing is
[41:31] now closed for a board
[41:33] discussion or motion.
[41:35] Motion to approve. Second.
[41:36] All right. Motion for MAY by
[41:37] Councilmember Hardy. Second by
[41:38] Councilmember Robinson. Any
[41:40] other discussion? All those in
[41:42] favor say aye. Aye. Those
[41:43] opposed say nay.
[41:45] Motion passes five zero.
[41:45] All right. Let
[41:46] s move on to
[41:47] item number eight.
[41:48] Thank you. Mayor. Item number
[41:49] eight. Ordinance requested by
[41:53] pobo llc to rezone a total of
[41:57] 56.3694 acres from ra 20
[41:58] residential agriculture to
[42:00] industry to industry for tract
[42:05] one, 47.5795 acres to o dash a
[42:07] office Conservation overlay for
[42:14] track 28.6062 acres and to o
[42:18] office for tract 3-0.1837 acres
[42:19] for the property, located at
[42:21] the northeast corner of the
[42:22] intersection of Old Creek Road
[42:24] and Tram Road. Costs for
[42:25] forward, our Assistant
[42:26] Director, Shanti Gubbi for the
[42:30] presentation.
[42:31] All right. Good evening.
[42:34] Good evening.
[42:36] Um, this property is located in
[42:38] the northeast quadrant of the
[42:39] city. Um, it
[42:39] s more
[42:41] specifically located along Old
[42:43] Creek Road. So just sort of to
[42:44] the top left. That would be
[42:46] Heister. Yale. This rezoning is
[42:48] divided into three different
[42:49] tracks. I
[42:49] ll go through them,
[42:50] but then I have a survey. I
[42:51] ll
[42:52] give you a little bit more
[42:54] detail. Um, but track one is
[42:56] the bulk of the property. You
[42:58] have tract two, which goes
[43:00] around the perimeter and then
[43:01] track three. I have a blow up
[43:02] of that. So it
[43:03] s just a teeny
[43:05] tiny little piece there. Um,
[43:05] and we
[43:06] ll talk about why that
[43:06] s
[43:10] been, um, uh, proposed for just
[43:13] office. So again, this is the
[43:16] breakdown of the different, uh,
[43:17] zoning that they
[43:18] re asking for.
[43:21] Track one is for industry.
[43:23] Track two is office with a
[43:25] conservation overlay, and track
[43:28] three is for plain office. This
[43:29] is a photograph of the
[43:31] property. So, um, Old Creek
[43:34] Road would be, uh, you know,
[43:39] sort of behind you. There is an
[43:41] activity center located along
[43:42] North Creek Road. Activity
[43:44] centers are where, um,
[43:47] commercial and even industrial
[43:50] is encouraged and expected
[43:52] under the current zoning, which
[43:54] is already 20 at full build
[43:55] out, the number of trips would
[43:59] be roughly 1600 and at full
[44:00] build out under the proposed
[44:02] zoning, the trips would be
[44:05] about 1548. So you have a net
[44:09] decrease of 48 or 43 trips. So
[44:10] because of that, um, when they
[44:13] did the initial analysis and it
[44:14] is a reduction in trips, then
[44:14] they don
[44:15] t go further with the
[44:17] staff report that you normally
[44:20] see. Um, the property is
[44:24] located in the second, the
[44:26] Johnson Mill Parkers Creek
[44:27] watershed. If stormwater is
[44:29] required, it will require ten
[44:31] year detention. The property is
[44:33] not located in a special flood
[44:36] hazard area, and there are no
[44:38] potential wetlands, buffers or
[44:40] streams. Again, the property is
[44:43] currently zoned are a 20. Um, I
[44:44] want to briefly talk about
[44:45] tract two because that
[44:45] s a
[44:47] conservation area overlay that
[44:51] is typically not, uh, a or a, a
[44:53] zoning that we have. Um, this
[44:55] is a zoning that we
[44:55] ve had for
[44:57] years. This is not something
[45:00] under the new Youdo. And the
[45:00] reason it
[45:02] s used, and this is
[45:04] straight out of our Udo, is
[45:05] when property is zoned with
[45:07] that ca overlay, then that
[45:09] means that, um, you
[45:10] re
[45:12] prohibited from having
[45:14] buildings, structures, parking
[45:16] and drives, etc. On that piece
[45:18] of property. So it essentially
[45:20] acts as a buffer. And then just
[45:22] a little bit further, it says
[45:24] it shall remain undeveloped,
[45:25] vacant. And again, you can
[45:25] t
[45:27] put building structures or
[45:29] parking on it. And then one
[45:31] other requirement is as it has
[45:34] to be at least 100ft wide. And
[45:34] so that
[45:35] s essentially why you
[45:38] have tract two at that, um,
[45:40] with that surrounding tract
[45:43] one. And the reason why is
[45:44] because the future land use
[45:47] plan recommends industrial or
[45:50] logistics in grey. And then you
[45:51] have the green. And that
[45:51] s
[45:53] potential conservation open
[45:54] space. And we talk about that.
[45:56] Green serves two purposes. It
[45:58] can either serve as a purpose
[46:00] for um, potential environmental
[46:01] constraints. But it can also
[46:03] show that there should be some
[46:05] sort of a buffer between the
[46:07] industrial and then the yellow
[46:10] is residential. So in this
[46:12] case, the request is to put the
[46:14] conservation, at the
[46:16] conservation area overlay
[46:17] around the perimeter of the
[46:20] property, track three is that
[46:22] little tiny piece. And they
[46:24] have left that as part of an
[46:25] access. So that
[46:27] s why the track
[46:30] three is just office by itself.
[46:33] So again the land, the Future
[46:36] land use plan recommends, uh,
[46:38] industrial. The request is for
[46:40] industrial with again some
[46:41] conservation area overlay
[46:43] around the periphery and
[46:43] staff
[46:44] s opinion. The request is
[46:46] in compliance with the comp
[46:47] plan with the future land use
[46:49] and character map. Therefore,
[46:51] staff recommends approval. And
[46:55] at the JULY 21st, 2026 Planning
[46:56] and Zoning meeting, the
[46:58] Commission voted unanimously to
[46:59] recommend approval of the
[47:01] request and I will be happy to
[47:02] answer any questions.
[47:04] All right. Thank you very much.
[47:05] Any questions for MISS Scooby?
[47:07] I just have one. Is it my
[47:08] understanding that there
[47:09] s an
[47:11] additional buffer or, um,
[47:13] between that and the properties
[47:14] surrounding.
[47:16] It?
[47:17] Do you mean for tract two or
[47:20] tract two? Is the buffer.
[47:21] Tract to is the buffer? But
[47:21] that
[47:22] s more than what is
[47:25] normally required.
[47:26] Yes.
[47:27] Does that make sense?
[47:28] Yes. It will stay in its
[47:30] natural state. So whatever
[47:31] trees are there, those have to
[47:33] stay there. Right. And again
[47:33] you can
[47:34] t put parking and you
[47:35] can
[47:36] t put buildings in it. But
[47:38] you will still have the normal
[47:40] buffers that would be required
[47:41] as well. Okay. So let
[47:41] s say
[47:45] extra 100ft of no buildings and
[47:47] no parking lot is essentially
[47:48] what that accomplishes.
[47:51] And that is near Dnipro where
[47:52] Dnipro is being.
[47:53] Yeah, that
[47:54] s just kind of to
[47:55] the south of it along North
[47:57] Creek Road. Mhm.
[47:59] Can you tell me a little bit
[47:59] more about why there
[48:00] s a cookie
[48:03] cutter track three.
[48:05] I let the applicant but again
[48:08] okay. The, the tiny piece is so
[48:10] there can be access ingress and
[48:13] ingress and egress because you
[48:14] cannot put that through the
[48:17] conservation area overlay. But
[48:19] again we have a representative
[48:20] here who can talk a little bit
[48:21] more about it. But it was
[48:25] purposeful.
[48:27] All right. Any other questions.
[48:29] Thank you very much. All right.
[48:30] The public hearing is now open.
[48:31] Those who speak on behalf of
[48:32] the applicant MAY come forward.
[48:33] Please state your name for the
[48:34] record, the first person has
[48:36] ten minutes. All others have
[48:38] three minutes.
[48:39] Uh. Good evening. Mayor.
[48:41] Council member. My name is Ken
[48:43] Malpass, representing Po Bow.
[48:44] Um, to address your question,
[48:46] MR. Robertson, what it is is
[48:46] there
[48:48] s an existing gravel
[48:50] drive that provides access to a
[48:53] couple, um, owners in the back.
[48:55] This, uh, old tram lane that
[48:55] s
[48:57] been there for probably 75 or
[48:59] 80 years. And because of the
[49:01] way the conservation, um, you
[49:03] cannot put a private drive
[49:04] through it. So we had to
[49:06] separate out that so they could
[49:08] still keep that access is what
[49:09] it is. And we met with the
[49:09] neighbors. And that
[49:10] s how this
[49:12] conservation overlay came
[49:15] about. Um, we had a 50 foot
[49:17] originally that would match the
[49:18] vegetation, and they asked for
[49:20] another 50ft. And I think
[49:21] everybody was in agreement
[49:23] that, um, with the compromise,
[49:24] that that would be okay. We had
[49:25] to leave that or that would
[49:27] have negated the. Access by
[49:28] doing the overlay.
[49:30] That was kind of my
[49:31] supposition.
[49:35] Right. Thank you.
[49:36] Any other questions?
[49:37] All right. Any other questions
[49:41] for MISS Malpass? Thank you
[49:42] very much. Thank you. Anyone
[49:44] else that is here to speak on
[49:44] behalf of the applicant MAY
[49:45] come forward. Please state your
[49:47] name for the record. You have
[49:59] three minutes. Seeing none.
[50:00] Those in opposition to the
[50:00] applicant MAY come forward.
[50:01] Please state your name. For the
[50:02] record. The first person has
[50:04] ten minutes. All others have
[50:15] three minutes. Seeing none. The
[50:16] public hearing is now closed.
[50:17] Open for board discussion or a
[50:18] motion.
[50:20] Motion to approve. Second.
[50:22] All right. Motion was made by
[50:24] Councilmember Willis. Second by
[50:27] Council Jones. All those in
[50:27] favor say aye.
[50:28] Aye.
[50:29] Those opposed say nay.
[50:30] Motion passes five zero.
[50:30] I
[50:31] ll move on to item number
[50:32] nine.
[50:33] Thank you. Mayor. Item number
[50:35] nine. Ordinance. Ordinance
[50:36] requested by the Community
[50:38] Development Services Department
[50:39] to amend the Unified
[50:41] Development Ordinance. Udo, to
[50:42] add definitions and standards
[50:44] for short term rentals,
[50:46] homestay and short term rental.
[50:49] Whole house lodging uses in
[50:51] adding these uses to section
[50:53] 313. Table of uses as permitted
[50:54] uses in the following zoning
[50:56] districts are a 20 residential
[50:58] agriculture r-1 five s
[51:01] residential single family r9s
[51:03] residential single family are
[51:05] six residential single family
[51:07] or non residential or six
[51:08] residential or six a
[51:10] residential or six mh
[51:14] residential mobile home th10
[51:16] tiny home community. MR..
[51:18] Medical. Residential. MRS..
[51:19] Medical. Residential. Single
[51:21] family or office. Residential
[51:24] cd downtown commercial and cdf
[51:26] downtown commercial fringe. Now
[51:28] call for an Assistant Director.
[51:29] Shanti Gooby for the
[51:30] presentation.
[51:30] I don
[51:31] t want to say anything,
[51:32] but after you read that, our
[51:33] whole crowd.
[51:34] Left.
[51:36] Almost our whole crowd. The the
[51:36] three in the back.
[51:37] Are here.
[51:37] We
[51:38] re here for the long run.
[51:41] Right?
[51:41] We
[51:42] ll try to make it as
[51:46] interesting as possible. Um, so
[51:48] again, um, short term rentals.
[51:50] Um, those can come on many
[51:51] different platforms. The most
[51:54] popular ones are Airbnb and
[51:57] Burbank, and generally you have
[51:59] two types of, um, short term
[52:01] rentals. You have what we
[52:01] re
[52:03] calling the home state, which
[52:05] is where you have a host on
[52:06] site with you, whether it be an
[52:09] apartment or a house of some
[52:11] sort. And then we have what
[52:11] s
[52:12] called, in the second
[52:13] definition, whole house
[52:14] lodging. And it
[52:15] s exactly what
[52:16] it sounds like. You get the
[52:18] whole dwelling to yourself. So
[52:18] we
[52:20] re just basically referring
[52:22] to it with the host and without
[52:26] a host. Uh, um, several months
[52:30] ago, city staff was, um, able
[52:32] to use some software that deals
[52:34] with short term rentals. Uh,
[52:36] this was done back in APRIL of
[52:39] this year, and we were able to
[52:41] identify some with certainty
[52:44] and some with not exact
[52:45] specificity of short term
[52:47] rentals that are in Greenville.
[52:47] So we
[52:49] ve shown those all with
[52:51] the blue dots. And then we
[52:52] broke those out into what
[52:53] zoning district they
[52:55] re in. And
[52:57] so at that time we had um,
[53:00] roughly 270 short term rentals
[53:04] in the city. So now to talk
[53:06] about the new standards that
[53:07] come with this, um, I
[53:08] m going
[53:09] to go through the homestay or
[53:13] with host first. Um, and one of
[53:14] one of the reasons why I
[53:14] m
[53:15] doing this is because a lot of
[53:17] these carryover to the second
[53:19] type of short term rental. Um,
[53:22] so again, with a host, um, the
[53:25] owner or operator does have to
[53:26] receive a zoning compliance
[53:27] permit. Um, it
[53:28] s a one time
[53:31] permit. Uh, there is no
[53:34] exterior advertising that
[53:34] s
[53:36] allowed. So no outdoor outside
[53:38] signage. The owner operator
[53:39] does have to supply a
[53:41] certificate of insurance. Uh,
[53:43] in the amount of $1 million in
[53:45] liability insurance for the
[53:47] property. And that has to be
[53:48] submitted with the permit
[53:51] application. Also, no special
[53:53] events or gatherings in excess
[53:56] of the registered guests and
[53:58] then any existing short term
[53:59] rentals as of tonight, if this
[54:02] is passed, has a year to get
[54:03] their permit with us. Right. So
[54:05] these are the existing ones.
[54:06] And then any new ones,
[54:07] obviously we
[54:08] ll go ahead and
[54:09] ideally
[54:10] Do their permit before they
[54:12] establish themselves as a short
[54:14] term rental. Um, we do
[54:14] recognize that we
[54:15] re going to
[54:17] have to do, um, a little bit of
[54:20] publicity to to bring awareness
[54:22] to them. Some people probably,
[54:24] um, MAY not even know that they
[54:25] have to do this. So that
[54:25] ll
[54:28] come if we, um, if you approve,
[54:30] uh, text amendment. Another
[54:33] thing that we added is that
[54:35] any, um, short term rental that
[54:37] receives either three citations
[54:40] or warnings for ordinance
[54:42] violations. Um, some examples
[54:44] would be noise, trash and
[54:46] debris or illegal parking. Um,
[54:48] within a 12 month period. MAY
[54:49] have their zoning compliance
[54:51] permit revoked. Um, again, the
[54:54] intent is to not be punitive,
[54:57] but the intent is to make sure
[55:00] that the Airbnb owner operator
[55:01] is a good neighbor. And so
[55:02] that
[55:02] s what we
[55:03] re really after.
[55:06] Um, it is subject to citations.
[55:07] And a little bit further, I
[55:07] ll
[55:09] tell you, um, the schedule of
[55:12] of the the amounts of the
[55:15] citations. This is for whole
[55:17] house. These are the same ones
[55:17] I
[55:19] ve went through. So I
[55:19] m going
[55:23] to jump ahead to whole house
[55:24] lodging. So whole house lodging
[55:26] means that the owner, the host
[55:28] is not on site. So we
[55:29] ve added
[55:32] two additional requirements.
[55:35] Um, if, uh, the person who owns
[55:38] or operates, um, the Airbnb
[55:40] does not live in Pitt County,
[55:40] then they
[55:41] re going to designate
[55:44] someone in Pitt County who will
[55:46] be a local contact. That could
[55:48] be a local contact or planning
[55:49] staff, local contact for even
[55:52] the police department. Um, so
[55:55] that that agent can accept any
[55:56] kind of issues or complaints
[55:58] and be able to respond to them.
[55:59] And again, this could be
[56:01] something as like an excessive
[56:03] amount of parking noise,
[56:05] perhaps trash and debris that
[56:05] s
[56:07] been left in the yard. But
[56:08] ideally that would be a local
[56:10] contact, easy for us to get in
[56:12] contact with than someone
[56:14] perhaps in Ohio that MAY not
[56:15] have an idea. Any of these
[56:19] things are going on again.
[56:20] Um.
[56:21] We already have the forms and
[56:23] everything set up to go so that
[56:24] if if this is approved, we
[56:25] ll
[56:27] be ready to go. So the form,
[56:29] um, for the agent is very
[56:31] short. It does lay out the
[56:33] responsibilities of that agent
[56:34] so they understand if they are
[56:36] going to be an agent for
[56:37] someone. What that means,
[56:37] again, that they
[56:38] re going to
[56:39] have to receive and respond to
[56:40] complaints.
[56:41] Um.
[56:44] This last section basically
[56:46] just again, not to be punitive.
[56:48] It does give a grace period
[56:50] that if you are, uh, you have
[56:52] an agent and that agent says,
[56:53] actually, I
[56:55] m moving to Texas.
[56:56] It gives you some time to
[56:58] appoint a new agent and get
[57:02] their information to us. As far
[57:04] as the citations, these are the
[57:07] same citations for any kind of
[57:09] zoning violation. And that is
[57:11] the first violation. Um, is
[57:15] $100 a second violation is a
[57:18] second violation within 365
[57:20] days of the first. That amount
[57:24] is 250, and the third, again is
[57:26] within 365 days of the first
[57:29] violation. And that amount is
[57:32] $500. This is the table of
[57:33] uses. And so what this is
[57:37] showing is that, um, all of the
[57:38] districts that allow
[57:41] residential, uh, we have added,
[57:41] you
[57:42] ll see the red piece. So
[57:42] that means it
[57:43] s a permitted
[57:45] use, does not require a special
[57:47] use permit. Um, this will be
[57:49] for both of those uses. So both
[57:51] uses will be allowed in the
[57:54] very same districts. In staff
[57:55] s
[57:56] opinion, the request is in
[57:58] compliance with the
[57:59] comprehensive plan,
[58:00] specifically. Chapter five
[58:02] Creating Complete Neighborhoods
[58:05] Goal 5.1 strong Existing
[58:07] neighborhoods Greenville will
[58:08] have strong established
[58:10] neighborhoods with the support
[58:11] for neighbors, with support for
[58:13] neighborhood organizations,
[58:15] high quality housing, unique
[58:16] character, and robust
[58:17] integration with the rest of
[58:19] the community. Um. Therefore,
[58:21] staff recommends approval. And
[58:24] at the JULY 21st, 2026 Planning
[58:26] and Zoning Commission, the
[58:28] Commission voted unanimously to
[58:29] recommend approval of the
[58:30] request, and I
[58:31] ll be happy to
[58:32] answer any questions.
[58:33] Right.
[58:34] Any questions?
[58:35] MISS.
[58:36] Uh.
[58:38] Shante, can you remind me of
[58:39] the period of time that an
[58:41] owner would have to replace an.
[58:42] Agent?
[58:44] We have said ten days.
[58:48] Ten days? Yes.
[58:49] And then you said it was a
[58:51] year. They have a year to get
[58:51] the permit. This is.
[58:54] Past for existing or
[58:56] preexisting ones. Yes. And
[58:56] again, that
[58:57] s probably going to
[58:58] take a little bit of word of
[59:00] mouth, um, to make people aware
[59:01] of that. But we
[59:01] ve given a
[59:03] grace period of a year.
[59:05] Okay. And then I can
[59:05] t remember
[59:08] if we, uh, finalize this, but
[59:10] what was the legality of this?
[59:11] I know we had discussed that in
[59:14] the workshop.
[59:15] The city attorney
[59:16] s office is
[59:17] of the view that this is a
[59:18] legally defensible, and it
[59:18] s,
[59:20] um, will be in compliance.
[59:21] Okay.
[59:22] Are there any other peer cities
[59:23] that are doing something
[59:25] similar to this?
[59:25] Yeah, there
[59:26] s several cities
[59:27] that have a short term
[59:28] ordinance, short term rental
[59:30] ordinances. Um, Raleigh.
[59:30] Asheville.
[59:32] So are they similar to what
[59:32] we
[59:33] re proposing?
[59:34] I think Raleigh was very
[59:34] similar.
[59:36] To. Okay.
[59:39] And there has been any case law.
[59:40] Nobody
[59:41] s tried to sue the city
[59:42] over it.
[59:43] Well, there hasn
[59:44] t been some
[59:46] legislation out of litigation
[59:48] out of Wilmington dealing with
[59:49] the rental registration
[59:51] challenge. But, um, we believe
[59:52] this is not a rental
[59:54] registration program. This is a
[59:55] regulation of short term
[59:55] rentals, but it
[59:56] s not a rental
[59:58] registration program. So we
[59:59] think this is legally
[1:00:02] defensible. And.
[1:00:04] Um. Can you go back to the
[1:00:05] citations again?
[1:00:10] Sure.
[1:00:14] And this would be, um, a notice
[1:00:17] of violation. So, uh, a parking
[1:00:18] through the police department
[1:00:20] MAY be a little different than
[1:00:22] if it makes its way to us.
[1:00:22] Let
[1:00:24] s say it is a parking
[1:00:27] issue. Um, and we would be
[1:00:29] notified as part of having the
[1:00:34] permits. 123 Main Street had a,
[1:00:38] you know, a kegger, and they
[1:00:41] had 25 cars. And we had to send
[1:00:42] the police out there and have
[1:00:43] them dispersed.
[1:00:44] Sure.
[1:00:46] And then as far as, like the
[1:00:48] complaints are concerned, um,
[1:00:49] are those complaints that are
[1:00:51] sent to directly to the city
[1:00:53] and then the city investigates
[1:00:55] to see if it
[1:00:56] s a legitimate
[1:00:57] complaint. And I guess where
[1:00:58] I
[1:00:59] m going with this is, is that
[1:01:00] each person
[1:01:03] s idea of quiet and
[1:01:05] peaceful is different in their
[1:01:07] and their type of nuisance is
[1:01:09] all always different. So people
[1:01:09] don
[1:01:10] t want to see any of it.
[1:01:11] Some of them could just be
[1:01:13] calling in, complaining just
[1:01:14] because they know what
[1:01:14] s going
[1:01:17] on inside the dwelling and know
[1:01:17] that it
[1:01:18] s something they don
[1:01:18] t
[1:01:19] want to see, but they just
[1:01:21] might be complaining. And so I
[1:01:24] guess my idea is, is I want to
[1:01:25] make sure that whoever
[1:01:26] s making
[1:01:27] the complaint is being vetted
[1:01:28] by the city, and the city can
[1:01:29] go ahead and say, well, this is
[1:01:30] a legitimate complaint. This
[1:01:30] isn
[1:01:31] t just somebody that
[1:01:31] s
[1:01:31] angry and just doesn
[1:01:32] t like
[1:01:34] that particular neighbor and
[1:01:35] their property.
[1:01:37] We deal with that a lot. Again,
[1:01:38] one person
[1:01:40] s tolerance is much
[1:01:41] higher or lower than their
[1:01:44] neighbors. Um, so along with
[1:01:46] the permit, we we have an index
[1:01:47] where we would keep track of
[1:01:50] the properties. Um, that would
[1:01:53] allow, uh, pd or even code
[1:01:54] enforcement to be able to
[1:01:55] cross-reference that. We would
[1:01:58] essentially be the the keeper
[1:02:00] of the information. Someone
[1:02:02] could still go on the city. Uh,
[1:02:04] compass. We would probably need
[1:02:06] to add that as a new issue from
[1:02:09] the dropdown box. And I would
[1:02:10] think that that would probably
[1:02:12] come through planning first.
[1:02:14] Um, if it is more of a of.
[1:02:15] A.
[1:02:17] A lot of parking, let
[1:02:18] s say.
[1:02:19] Um.
[1:02:23] The best solution would be to
[1:02:24] go through pd. Obviously it
[1:02:24] s
[1:02:28] not an emergency, but pd is 24
[1:02:28] hours. We
[1:02:32] re 8 to 5. Um, but it
[1:02:36] will basically the the
[1:02:37] different tentacles will still
[1:02:39] rest within the planning
[1:02:40] department is how it would
[1:02:41] work.
[1:02:42] So and I guess I think of the
[1:02:44] situation where you could have
[1:02:45] a neighbor that
[1:02:45] s just not
[1:02:47] happy. Right. And they find out
[1:02:49] that within a certain amount of
[1:02:51] complaints they could, you
[1:02:54] know, get the, the, the
[1:02:55] neighboring property that
[1:02:56] they
[1:02:57] re not happy with multiple
[1:02:59] citations and potentially get
[1:03:01] them into some legal issues. So
[1:03:03] I guess like my thought is, is
[1:03:04] if the police departments
[1:03:06] called out to, let
[1:03:07] s say, one
[1:03:09] of the short term rentals and
[1:03:11] they just say it was because of
[1:03:12] loud noise, they go out there
[1:03:13] and say it
[1:03:13] s it
[1:03:14] s nothing.
[1:03:16] Well, they call them again. It
[1:03:16] happens again. Let
[1:03:17] s say they
[1:03:18] come out there 4 or 5 times,
[1:03:20] and then the neighbor says, I
[1:03:20] m
[1:03:22] doing all these hypothetical
[1:03:24] things. Um, but this is
[1:03:27] probably a realistic situation.
[1:03:28] Um, they go out there and they
[1:03:29] say, well, they call the
[1:03:30] planning department. Say, well,
[1:03:32] the police have been out there
[1:03:33] five times. You know, I don
[1:03:33] t
[1:03:34] understand why we
[1:03:34] re not doing
[1:03:36] anything with it. How is that
[1:03:38] going to be handled? I guess as
[1:03:41] far as the complaint, because
[1:03:41] it
[1:03:42] s going to be law that the
[1:03:44] police were out there five
[1:03:46] times, but how legitimate were
[1:03:48] those five phone calls as far
[1:03:50] as an actual nuisance, right?
[1:03:51] Well, we would get the
[1:03:53] disposition right. So we would
[1:03:56] know if it was founded, if they
[1:03:58] showed up and it was quiet and
[1:03:59] everyone were being good
[1:04:01] listeners. So we as the
[1:04:02] planning department would have
[1:04:04] some idea. Yes. You have five
[1:04:07] calls for service, but actually
[1:04:08] only one time was there
[1:04:11] actually in an issue. So it
[1:04:15] will put on staff. Um, as
[1:04:19] sometimes there are of
[1:04:22] threading the needle of taking
[1:04:24] those different complaints,
[1:04:26] figuring out which really do
[1:04:28] hit a mark and which of those
[1:04:30] or maybe someone losing
[1:04:30] patience and they
[1:04:31] re calling
[1:04:36] every 15 minutes. Um, so that
[1:04:37] happens in other things as well
[1:04:39] when we get complaints. And
[1:04:40] what do you know, it
[1:04:40] s already
[1:04:41] disappeared by the time that we
[1:04:45] get there. But what will happen
[1:04:47] or what will at least give us
[1:04:50] some way of communicating
[1:04:53] directly is that either we
[1:04:53] ll
[1:04:55] have the person on the permit,
[1:04:56] or we will have a local
[1:04:57] contact, and if that local
[1:04:59] contact says, listen, this is
[1:05:00] my sister
[1:05:02] s place, great. Can
[1:05:04] you tell us who your sister is?
[1:05:06] And that is a way that staff
[1:05:07] can directly communicate with
[1:05:09] someone that we MAY not be able
[1:05:11] to reach. Um, they MAY have a
[1:05:14] run of bad guests, you know,
[1:05:16] and that happens as well. Um,
[1:05:17] but the other thing is that at
[1:05:20] least Verbo and Airbnb have a
[1:05:23] system themselves for if you
[1:05:25] live beside the property and
[1:05:27] you have issues, you can log
[1:05:29] those complaints with Airbnb
[1:05:31] and Verbo as well. Okay, so
[1:05:31] there
[1:05:33] s a couple of things. Is
[1:05:36] is a completely fail safe note.
[1:05:39] And there is going to take, um,
[1:05:43] some, some discretion of how we
[1:05:44] deal with issues that come up.
[1:05:45] Okay.
[1:05:47] Um, and then the other question
[1:05:50] I have to is as far as somebody
[1:05:52] that is in deciding about doing
[1:05:54] like a short term rental, let
[1:05:56] it be one of the two scenarios.
[1:05:58] What is there a penalty if they
[1:06:00] do not file? And I guess my
[1:06:01] thought process is you
[1:06:02] re going
[1:06:03] to have a lot of people that
[1:06:05] have been have not been used to
[1:06:06] it. There
[1:06:07] s never been a filing
[1:06:09] period. What type of penalty
[1:06:11] would be if somebody operating
[1:06:15] one and then staff is notified
[1:06:16] that so-and-so and my
[1:06:18] neighborhood is has an Airbnb
[1:06:19] and you say, well, it
[1:06:19] s not
[1:06:19] logged, we don
[1:06:20] t have them
[1:06:21] there. You send them a letter.
[1:06:22] Is there a penalty or is it
[1:06:23] just a requirement that within
[1:06:25] a certain period of time, they
[1:06:26] need to go ahead and file?
[1:06:27] Yeah. The first letter is
[1:06:29] always this has been brought to
[1:06:31] our attention. Again, we could
[1:06:33] be wrong. You MAY not be an
[1:06:35] Airbnb, but it starts with a
[1:06:37] letter. If you have any
[1:06:39] questions, please contact us.
[1:06:42] Um, and the other. And in these
[1:06:43] cases, we can direct them back
[1:06:44] to the planning site because
[1:06:46] the fillable forms will be
[1:06:47] there and they can go, oh, I
[1:06:47] didn
[1:06:48] t know I was supposed to
[1:06:50] do that. Click, click, click.
[1:06:51] And they send us what they
[1:06:54] need. Um, generally we give
[1:06:57] folks about ten days to respond.
[1:06:57] If we don
[1:06:58] t hear anything,
[1:06:58] we
[1:07:04] ll do a second. And of. We
[1:07:06] can do citations, which is what
[1:07:07] is in front of you. We can do
[1:07:10] that. Schedule of citations.
[1:07:11] Um, but obviously we want to
[1:07:12] make very sure that we are
[1:07:13] actually trying to track a
[1:07:14] short term rental. And it
[1:07:15] s not
[1:07:17] something else. But the very
[1:07:20] first thing would be a nice,
[1:07:22] firm letter. We believe you
[1:07:23] might be operating short term
[1:07:25] rental, and we would need you
[1:07:27] to apply for the permit.
[1:07:29] Final question. I see we got
[1:07:31] first, second and third. What
[1:07:31] s
[1:07:33] the fourth?
[1:07:36] There is, of course, that
[1:07:36] s
[1:07:37] where I
[1:07:37] m going to call MR.
[1:07:39] McGirt and say, MISTER McGirt,
[1:07:41] we do not have a good listener.
[1:07:42] What would we like?
[1:07:42] That
[1:07:42] s that
[1:07:43] s what I
[1:07:43] m going to
[1:07:44] say. And so then I then that
[1:07:46] turns my attention to is, I
[1:07:48] guess, probably revocation
[1:07:52] maybe of a permit. And I guess
[1:07:54] from a legal standpoint, how
[1:07:57] does the city defend removing
[1:07:57] somebody
[1:07:58] s legal permit to be
[1:07:59] able to operate a short term
[1:08:04] rental.? Right. As a property
[1:08:04] owner?
[1:08:06] We could bring a civil action
[1:08:07] to to collect the penalties and
[1:08:09] also bring an injunction action
[1:08:12] to revoke the permit. And, um,
[1:08:13] they will have to cease
[1:08:14] operating if we had a court
[1:08:15] order.
[1:08:18] So but I guess from a legal
[1:08:20] standpoint, how do we where do
[1:08:22] we stand if somebody says,
[1:08:22] well, you
[1:08:22] re taking away my
[1:08:24] property rights by allowing me
[1:08:25] to be able to operate a
[1:08:26] business out of the property
[1:08:30] that I own. Do do we have any
[1:08:32] case law that says that we have
[1:08:33] the right to be able to do
[1:08:34] something like that, where we
[1:08:36] can prevent somebody from
[1:08:38] actually having a rental?
[1:08:39] Well, the case law says that
[1:08:40] cities that have the authority
[1:08:43] to zone to zone buildings and
[1:08:44] land, um, the short term rental
[1:08:46] case that I was talking about
[1:08:47] out of Wilmington, it said that
[1:08:48] they had a Wilmington
[1:08:49] s program
[1:08:50] was illegal because it was a
[1:08:51] rental registration program.
[1:08:52] But the court said that the
[1:08:54] cities could still zone use
[1:08:56] zoning to regulate short term
[1:08:58] rentals. And we drafted this
[1:09:00] ordinance in light of that case
[1:09:02] so we could bring a civil
[1:09:03] action to to revoke the permit
[1:09:05] and cease them from operating.
[1:09:06] So so essentially, there
[1:09:06] s
[1:09:07] nothing I guess it would just
[1:09:09] be if somebody decided to just
[1:09:11] kind of like they could sue for
[1:09:13] any other reason that they
[1:09:14] would establish a case law.
[1:09:14] For it.
[1:09:16] They could try to sue and say,
[1:09:16] we
[1:09:16] re.
[1:09:17] Taking away their.
[1:09:17] Property rights.
[1:09:19] The case law is clear. Cities
[1:09:20] have the authority to his own
[1:09:23] property and to, um, enact
[1:09:25] short term rental zoning
[1:09:26] ordinances as well. You have to
[1:09:27] make sure that it doesn
[1:09:27] t. It
[1:09:27] s
[1:09:29] not a rental registration
[1:09:29] program or it
[1:09:30] s not a down
[1:09:31] zone, but the city has
[1:09:34] authority to to zone. So.
[1:09:37] We can zone. We also can put
[1:09:38] reasonable time, place and
[1:09:40] circumstances restrictions.
[1:09:40] We
[1:09:41] re not taking away their
[1:09:43] property, right. We
[1:09:43] re
[1:09:44] regulating it. And if they
[1:09:44] don
[1:09:45] t comply that
[1:09:45] s on them.
[1:09:46] Right. So we
[1:09:47] re not taking away
[1:09:49] if they comply. Nothing
[1:09:49] s
[1:09:50] taken. I mean they gotta do is
[1:09:52] comply with the and this is
[1:09:54] very reasonable. Probably it
[1:09:54] s
[1:09:55] a lot less than what I would
[1:09:56] like to say, but it
[1:09:56] s a
[1:09:57] starting point.
[1:09:57] Yeah.
[1:09:57] And I
[1:09:58] m not arguing that.
[1:09:58] I just don
[1:09:59] t understand. I
[1:09:59] m
[1:10:00] just saying I.
[1:10:01] Just want to see from the
[1:10:03] situation. If we get into that,
[1:10:03] because you
[1:10:03] ve got a lot of
[1:10:04] people that are operating right
[1:10:05] now, and I
[1:10:05] m sure they
[1:10:05] re not
[1:10:06] going to be real happy about
[1:10:09] the changes and having to to
[1:10:10] register and go through the
[1:10:12] process. And having this. My
[1:10:13] thought is you probably have
[1:10:15] some angry people, and I want
[1:10:15] to make sure it
[1:10:16] s defensible
[1:10:17] from a city standpoint.
[1:10:18] And again, it
[1:10:18] s not a
[1:10:19] registration. It
[1:10:19] s requiring
[1:10:20] them to get a zoning permit.
[1:10:21] And we
[1:10:22] re giving them one year.
[1:10:24] Those existing short term
[1:10:26] rentals are giving, given one
[1:10:27] year to obtain the permit.
[1:10:28] Okay.
[1:10:30] It would be the same thing as a
[1:10:30] homeowner who
[1:10:31] s subject to
[1:10:32] nuisance. We have a nuisance
[1:10:33] ordinance in the city of
[1:10:34] Greenville that has homeowners
[1:10:35] or people who live in a home.
[1:10:36] We
[1:10:37] re all subject to, and so
[1:10:37] it
[1:10:38] s no different. We
[1:10:38] re just
[1:10:39] putting in here like you
[1:10:39] re
[1:10:41] subject to these types of
[1:10:42] violations. If you don
[1:10:43] t run
[1:10:46] your business appropriately. I
[1:10:46] don
[1:10:47] t see any problem with it
[1:10:48] from a standpoint, because I
[1:10:50] look into this pretty heavily.
[1:10:50] I mean, I think it
[1:10:51] s a good
[1:10:52] starting point, and maybe we
[1:10:53] can even look further down the
[1:10:54] road, but I don
[1:10:54] t see any legal
[1:10:55] problems with it in terms of
[1:10:56] what we
[1:10:56] ve done, because it
[1:10:57] s
[1:10:58] so minor and it puts the onus
[1:10:59] on them that you
[1:11:00] re only paying
[1:11:01] any fees or anything if you
[1:11:03] violate what are typically
[1:11:05] reasonable standards. It
[1:11:05] s a
[1:11:07] nuisance and and use of drugs
[1:11:09] or controlled substances or
[1:11:11] noise ordinances and parking
[1:11:12] violations that we regulated
[1:11:15] for centuries in this city are
[1:11:18] not centuries, but a long time.
[1:11:19] Thank you, MR. Attorney.
[1:11:20] Thank you, MR. Attorney. You
[1:11:20] re
[1:11:21] welcome.
[1:11:23] I had the same questions, but
[1:11:24] it was from the other end of
[1:11:27] the spectrum that if somebody
[1:11:28] consistently violates, you
[1:11:29] know, what would happen
[1:11:31] because, you know, it affects
[1:11:33] citizens quality of life. So
[1:11:36] that was where my concern was,
[1:11:37] is what would happen at that
[1:11:38] point. So I appreciate you
[1:11:40] answering that question.
[1:11:41] All right.
[1:11:42] And then, uh, did you say that
[1:11:43] we don
[1:11:44] t know the exact
[1:11:45] location of all short term
[1:11:47] rentals?
[1:11:50] Yeah. The website that we used
[1:11:52] is more of a more of a website
[1:11:55] for an investor, but we were
[1:11:56] able to download that
[1:11:58] information. Some of the
[1:11:59] things, some of the properties
[1:12:00] we were able to identify,
[1:12:01] because people actually put the
[1:12:03] picture of the house on it. So
[1:12:03] we
[1:12:04] re like, oh, that
[1:12:05] s the one.
[1:12:07] Some, for whatever reason,
[1:12:07] don
[1:12:08] t put the picture out of
[1:12:09] the house. So the pen just sort
[1:12:12] of sits in the middle of the
[1:12:14] street. So we have a pen, we
[1:12:16] know about where it is so we
[1:12:18] can put it together. But but
[1:12:19] some of them are a little
[1:12:21] fuzzier. Um, so we had to do
[1:12:23] some sleuthing of our own to
[1:12:25] try to, uh, take out some of
[1:12:26] the static.
[1:12:27] So let
[1:12:29] s say potentially for
[1:12:30] one of the properties that we
[1:12:30] don
[1:12:31] t know the exact location
[1:12:34] of when the 365 day mark, uh,
[1:12:36] comes across, how are we going
[1:12:38] to ensure that all short term
[1:12:39] rentals are in compliance if we
[1:12:39] don
[1:12:41] t know the exact locations?
[1:12:41] Or is it going to be like an
[1:12:44] honor system for the operators?
[1:12:46] Somewhat of an honor system,
[1:12:49] but also we as a staff will
[1:12:50] still have to keep track
[1:12:52] because you come you you could
[1:12:53] have some people who fall out
[1:12:55] of the market who decide they
[1:12:56] don
[1:12:57] t want to do it anymore,
[1:13:00] but, you know, we did this
[1:13:02] about a year or so ago. I think
[1:13:05] we added maybe 80 more units
[1:13:08] since that time. So it will
[1:13:09] constantly be where staff will
[1:13:12] have to go in harvest as do as
[1:13:13] best as we can. And some of
[1:13:16] them MAY be, um, from phone
[1:13:19] calls and someone reporting.
[1:13:19] It
[1:13:22] s an Airbnb. Okay, so it is
[1:13:25] not a perfect science. Uh,
[1:13:26] Airbnb again, doesn
[1:13:27] t require
[1:13:28] you to put the picture of the
[1:13:30] property because that is a
[1:13:32] security issue. So it will be a
[1:13:35] little sleuthing on our side as
[1:13:35] well.
[1:13:37] So some properties could
[1:13:37] potentially slip through the
[1:13:38] cracks, which is.
[1:13:39] That.
[1:13:46] Well, yes. However, um, if they
[1:13:47] are good listeners, we MAY not
[1:13:48] know that they
[1:13:49] re there. And
[1:13:49] that
[1:13:52] s the intention is to be a
[1:13:53] good neighbor.
[1:13:56] And then one more question. Do
[1:13:58] they how often does the permit
[1:13:59] need to be renewed? Is it every
[1:14:01] year. One time, just one time?
[1:14:03] Did we say that I can
[1:14:03] t
[1:14:04] remember. Did we say the the
[1:14:06] amount for the permit? Is there
[1:14:07] amount?
[1:14:07] Uh.
[1:14:08] We have not. It
[1:14:09] s not in the
[1:14:11] manual of fees. So.
[1:14:16] That was about. Okay.
[1:14:17] I mean is it something that we
[1:14:19] should have, you know, you have
[1:14:21] to renew every year so we can
[1:14:22] keep better track of which ones
[1:14:24] are still operating and which
[1:14:26] ones are new.
[1:14:28] That would be something for the
[1:14:30] whole council to to think
[1:14:32] about. We have just put it as
[1:14:33] a, as a one time permit.
[1:14:34] I think, I think one of our
[1:14:35] attorneys over here has
[1:14:36] something to say. MISTER,
[1:14:38] MISTER Birch.
[1:14:39] What up, MISTER Birch?
[1:14:39] The answer to.
[1:14:42] That would be no. Um, because
[1:14:43] that would be. Tantamount to
[1:14:44] the registration.
[1:14:44] Yeah.
[1:14:47] And in order to be compliant
[1:14:48] with state law, we would need
[1:14:50] to avoid that. And the way to
[1:14:53] do that is, at one time, um,
[1:14:55] uh, registration or one.
[1:14:56] But using that.
[1:14:56] Word, don
[1:14:58] t say that. Yeah.
[1:14:59] Perfect.
[1:14:59] Thank you.
[1:15:02] Yeah. I appreciate how tactful
[1:15:04] MISS Gooby is. The reality of
[1:15:05] it is, is our our code of
[1:15:07] ordinances is about six inches
[1:15:09] thick. And we have individuals
[1:15:09] that are violating those
[1:15:11] ordinances every single day.
[1:15:13] And if you have bad neighbors
[1:15:15] out there, uh, our experience
[1:15:16] has been we
[1:15:16] re going to know
[1:15:17] about it.
[1:15:19] You find out sooner or later.
[1:15:22] Yes. All right. If no other
[1:15:24] questions, public hearing is
[1:15:26] now open. Those who speak on
[1:15:27] behalf of applicant MAY come
[1:15:28] forward. Please state your name
[1:15:29] for the record, first person
[1:15:30] has ten minutes. All others
[1:15:42] have three minutes.
[1:15:43] Hello?
[1:15:44] Hello.
[1:15:46] Uh. Good evening Council. I am
[1:15:48] Venus Diamond. I have been a
[1:15:50] resident of Greenville for two
[1:15:51] and a half years. Resident of
[1:15:53] North Carolina for eight years.
[1:15:55] Um, I would like to show my
[1:15:56] appreciation for this
[1:15:57] ordinance. I think this is a
[1:15:59] very good step, and I would
[1:16:01] like to see. I loved your
[1:16:03] comment about wanting to see
[1:16:05] more pushes. Um, I would love
[1:16:06] to see more pushes, uh, and
[1:16:08] more restrictions on Airbnbs
[1:16:10] and other short term leases. I
[1:16:12] think as a whole, this is going
[1:16:13] to be very good for the
[1:16:15] community, especially given a
[1:16:16] time where the housing market
[1:16:18] is inflating way more than it
[1:16:20] should be. And at the same
[1:16:22] time, uh, I think this would
[1:16:24] potentially bring down a lot
[1:16:25] of, you know, the threshold for
[1:16:27] people to be able to rent or,
[1:16:29] you know, mortgage in the city.
[1:16:30] Um, I
[1:16:33] m sorry. Um, this would
[1:16:35] also bring more business to our
[1:16:36] local hotel industry, which
[1:16:38] would be very nice for us to
[1:16:40] have. Um, though I would like
[1:16:42] to see more pushes, uh, notably
[1:16:44] in a lot of the zoning, such as
[1:16:47] r6, which does include a lot of
[1:16:49] apartments. And I feel like if
[1:16:51] that is included, it does run
[1:16:53] the risk of somebody
[1:16:55] potentially using an Airbnb to
[1:16:57] try to undercut our hotels. And
[1:16:58] I know there are a lot of
[1:17:01] people, particularly people in
[1:17:03] Greenville Power, who can
[1:17:05] utilize this if they. So please
[1:17:05] not. I
[1:17:07] m saying anybody will,
[1:17:09] but it is a possibility that
[1:17:12] could be worrying. But as a
[1:17:14] whole, I like this ordinance.
[1:17:15] This, uh, feels like it will be
[1:17:18] good, uh, for the community.
[1:17:21] Thank you, thank you, thank you.
[1:17:24] Anyone else would like to speak
[1:17:26] on behalf of the applicant MAY
[1:17:27] come forward. Please state your
[1:17:29] name for the record. You have
[1:17:39] three minutes. See none. Those
[1:17:40] in opposition to the applicant
[1:17:41] MAY come forward. Please state
[1:17:42] your name for the record. First
[1:17:43] person has ten minutes. All
[1:17:56] others have three minutes. See,
[1:17:57] now the public hearing is now
[1:17:58] closed. And for board
[1:18:00] discussion or motion. Motion to
[1:18:03] approve. Second motion was made
[1:18:05] by Council member Hardy. Second
[1:18:08] by Mayor Pro Tem Forman. Any
[1:18:11] other discussion? All those in
[1:18:12] favor say aye. Aye. Those
[1:18:14] opposed say nay.
[1:18:16] Motion passes five zero.
[1:18:18] Move on to item number ten. Our
[1:18:19] final public hearing.
[1:18:20] Thank you. Mayor. Item number
[1:18:21] ten. Ordinance requested by the
[1:18:22] Community and Development
[1:18:25] Services Department to clarify
[1:18:25] the required number of
[1:18:27] professional security personnel
[1:18:29] and alcohol establishments.
[1:18:32] Bah. Bar 2022. Microbrewery and
[1:18:34] micro distillery that provide
[1:18:37] amplified entertainment. After
[1:18:39] 11 P.M. Again, call forward or
[1:18:40] Assistant Director Shanti Gubbi
[1:18:45] for the presentation.
[1:18:47] Hopefully this is very short.
[1:18:50] Uh, this is just an item to
[1:18:50] clarify, we
[1:18:51] ve kind of talked
[1:18:53] about this a little bit. Um,
[1:18:55] this first deals with what
[1:18:57] staff considers alcohol
[1:19:00] establishments. Um, we have or
[1:19:00] excuse me, we have four
[1:19:02] different uses in the city that
[1:19:04] we, um, sort of categorize
[1:19:06] under that umbrella. Um, a bar
[1:19:10] bar, 2022 microbrewery, micro
[1:19:12] distillery, um, primary
[1:19:13] activity, obviously cell
[1:19:16] consumption of alcohol on site.
[1:19:17] All of these establishments
[1:19:18] have the ability to have a
[1:19:20] mixed beverage permit a little
[1:19:21] different than just wine and
[1:19:24] beer. Um, in MAY of this year,
[1:19:26] city staff brought a text
[1:19:28] amendment to clarify the number
[1:19:30] of, um, professional security
[1:19:33] personnel that are required at
[1:19:35] alcohol establishments with,
[1:19:37] uh, amplified entertainment
[1:19:39] after 11 P.M., so it only
[1:19:42] counts after 11 P.M.. Um, at
[1:19:43] that meeting, there was some
[1:19:45] discussion that requiring
[1:19:46] security personnel MAY be
[1:19:49] burdensome, um, to small
[1:19:50] businesses. After there was
[1:19:52] some discussion staffs bringing
[1:19:54] this back, um, with the text
[1:19:57] amendment and it same version
[1:19:59] as far as amplified
[1:20:01] entertainment or udo says
[1:20:03] amplified entertainment shall
[1:20:05] shall mean any type of music or
[1:20:07] other entertainment delivered
[1:20:08] through and by an electronic
[1:20:10] system. So that could be music.
[1:20:12] It could be bingo. So the
[1:20:16] proposed language again, is
[1:20:17] based on the occupancy of the
[1:20:18] building. So it
[1:20:18] s not based on
[1:20:20] the number of people that are
[1:20:22] there at that night. And so
[1:20:23] what this says is if you have
[1:20:26] an occupancy between 1 and 200,
[1:20:29] you will have two security
[1:20:30] personnel required to be on
[1:20:33] site. And then for every 100
[1:20:34] people, essentially you add one
[1:20:37] more person. So 2 to 300 would
[1:20:40] be three. Um, and then it goes
[1:20:43] a bit further to say, um, again
[1:20:46] after 11 P.M., um shall employ
[1:20:47] no less than two security
[1:20:49] guards in order for one
[1:20:51] security guard to be inside,
[1:20:52] and then one security guard to
[1:20:55] be able to patrol private
[1:20:56] parking lot. So if they
[1:20:56] re
[1:20:57] downtown and they don
[1:20:57] t
[1:20:59] actually have a parking lot,
[1:21:00] then both of the security
[1:21:03] personnel can be inside. Um,
[1:21:04] and then staff
[1:21:05] s opinion this
[1:21:07] request is in compliance with
[1:21:09] the comprehensive plan. Uh,
[1:21:11] chapter four, Growing the
[1:21:13] Economic hub, which is goal
[1:21:16] 4.3, modernize and Diversify
[1:21:17] the local economy. Support the
[1:21:19] growth of a variety of
[1:21:20] employment opportunities and
[1:21:22] businesses that diversify
[1:21:22] Greenville
[1:21:24] s economy. Provide
[1:21:25] workers with a range of skill
[1:21:26] sets and training, and
[1:21:28] encourage business growth
[1:21:29] within the incorporated areas
[1:21:30] and diversify Greenville
[1:21:32] s tax
[1:21:33] base. And then further, we also
[1:21:35] have a second one in here. This
[1:21:36] is from chapter one. And this
[1:21:38] is growing the economic hub.
[1:21:42] 1.4 a vibrant uptown support
[1:21:43] and control uptown nightlife.
[1:21:44] Uptown is Greenville
[1:21:45] s vibrant
[1:21:47] and walkable nightlife district
[1:21:48] that supports a variety of high
[1:21:50] quality, responsible drinking
[1:21:52] and restaurant establishments.
[1:21:53] A thriving nightlife that can
[1:21:55] attract and retain young
[1:21:56] professionals that, in turn,
[1:21:58] attract high quality employers.
[1:21:59] This does not mean nightlife
[1:22:01] activities need to be allowed
[1:22:02] to run out of control.
[1:22:03] Appropriate standards for these
[1:22:05] businesses should be enforced
[1:22:07] so that uptown can be enjoyed
[1:22:10] safely and responsible.
[1:22:11] Therefore, staff recommends
[1:22:13] approval of the proposed
[1:22:14] amendment. This one
[1:22:15] s a little
[1:22:17] different. Uh, at the JULY
[1:22:19] 21st, 2026 Planning and Zoning
[1:22:21] Commission, um, they voted
[1:22:23] unanimously with a motion. Um,
[1:22:25] but the motion had a little
[1:22:28] tweak to it. So they, uh, did
[1:22:29] recommend approval, but they
[1:22:31] went further and said while the
[1:22:33] commission, um, did recommend
[1:22:34] approval of the amendment,
[1:22:36] there was language included in
[1:22:37] the motion that there should be
[1:22:39] consideration given to the
[1:22:41] economic impact on small
[1:22:42] businesses to consider the use
[1:22:45] of bouncers as a substitute for
[1:22:47] professional security personnel.
[1:22:49] And with that, I
[1:22:49] ll be glad to
[1:22:51] answer any questions.
[1:22:52] Any questions?
[1:22:54] One question on your proposed
[1:22:59] language. If you go back to it.
[1:23:01] There is says 1200. You really
[1:23:02] mean 1 to 200, don
[1:23:03] t you
[1:23:03] establish.
[1:23:04] Oh, I
[1:23:04] m sorry, there
[1:23:04] s a
[1:23:05] hyphen.
[1:23:05] I
[1:23:06] m sorry. Yeah.
[1:23:07] Okay. Just that and that
[1:23:10] s it.
[1:23:13] And what? Why? Or, staff
[1:23:16] bringing back the same version
[1:23:17] of the text.
[1:23:20] That.
[1:23:22] When I brought it to you in
[1:23:25] MAY, um, there was some
[1:23:26] discussion. I don
[1:23:26] t want to
[1:23:28] call names, but there was some
[1:23:30] discussion that perhaps, um,
[1:23:33] this was expensive and that it
[1:23:35] could be overly burdensome, uh,
[1:23:37] to some of the establishments.
[1:23:39] We had a council work session.
[1:23:40] I don
[1:23:41] t know if you were at
[1:23:43] that one. And so the decision
[1:23:45] was to go with the professional
[1:23:46] security as opposed to the
[1:23:49] bouncers, because security,
[1:23:50] professional security personnel
[1:23:52] would include off duty cops or
[1:23:55] actual professional, um,
[1:23:57] security personnel, as opposed
[1:24:00] to bouncers have less training
[1:24:05] and bouncers. Purview. If you
[1:24:07] will stop at the door of the
[1:24:08] establishment so they can
[1:24:08] t go
[1:24:10] any further. So you
[1:24:10] re going to
[1:24:16] get, um, a person with more
[1:24:22] training and the ability to.
[1:24:24] Provide service outside of the
[1:24:26] establishment.
[1:24:29] And then are the just to make
[1:24:29] sure that I
[1:24:30] m clear, are the
[1:24:33] current, um, bars whatever you
[1:24:34] want to call grandfathered into
[1:24:34] this is.
[1:24:37] Yes. This does not affect any
[1:24:39] pre-existing.
[1:24:41] So it would include any
[1:24:42] business that opens up with a
[1:24:44] special use permit under for
[1:24:46] 2022. Correct.
[1:24:48] Microbrewery. Micro distillery
[1:24:53] bar 2022. Yes. Any of the four?
[1:24:56] Me personally, I still have the
[1:24:57] same opinion as, uh,
[1:24:58] Councilmember Scully when this
[1:25:00] was last brought up. I do think
[1:25:02] that this will be burdensome to
[1:25:03] some small businesses. And I
[1:25:05] also think that it will, uh,
[1:25:07] keep some college students out
[1:25:09] of, uh, some jobs because those
[1:25:10] are who mainly staff and
[1:25:12] balance, uh, the, the clubs and
[1:25:14] the nightlife down here. Um, so
[1:25:15] I just want to make that be
[1:25:18] done. For the record.
[1:25:19] All right. Any other comments?
[1:25:21] Questions?
[1:25:24] Uh, I have one in, uh, I don
[1:25:24] t
[1:25:25] even drink. And I
[1:25:26] m swimming in
[1:25:28] alcohol after all this
[1:25:31] conversation. Um, about this,
[1:25:35] but, um, has there been any
[1:25:39] conversation, uh, with, uh,
[1:25:40] businesses or bar owners
[1:25:45] outside of downtown?
[1:25:47] No, because the ones that we
[1:25:50] have now are under the old the
[1:25:52] old rules. So, uh, so the
[1:25:55] answer is, is no. But we also
[1:25:56] don
[1:25:58] t have very many of them
[1:26:01] either. The microbreweries and
[1:26:02] the micro distilleries. We have
[1:26:05] are really downtown. Um, and,
[1:26:05] and they
[1:26:06] re not going to be
[1:26:09] affected because they already
[1:26:10] have a special use permit. So
[1:26:13] they were ahead of this. So my
[1:26:16] point is, is it is, um, it
[1:26:16] s
[1:26:17] only going to affect those that
[1:26:19] would walk in the door and we
[1:26:21] would say, oh, by the way, this
[1:26:27] is a new requirement. Mm.
[1:26:29] Can I ask our deputy chief a
[1:26:31] question about this. Does the
[1:26:32] police department feel that
[1:26:34] this is something that is
[1:26:34] necessary? Y
[1:26:38] all want to see?
[1:26:38] I
[1:26:40] m sorry to put you on.
[1:26:42] No pressure.
[1:26:44] Well, um.
[1:26:46] Have you had have you all had
[1:26:47] problems.
[1:26:48] With the officers about that?
[1:26:50] They actually work the area.
[1:26:52] Um, I haven
[1:26:53] t got a lot of
[1:26:55] feedback from that. Yes, I, I,
[1:26:56] I would have to believe that.
[1:26:58] Get some feedback from the
[1:26:59] officers that are actually on
[1:27:01] the street working.
[1:27:03] Thank you.
[1:27:03] That
[1:27:05] s a good politician answer
[1:27:09] right there. I like that. All
[1:27:11] right. Any other questions
[1:27:15] comments. Thank you very much.
[1:27:16] Public hearing is now open.
[1:27:17] Those speak on behalf of the
[1:27:18] outcome MAY come forward.
[1:27:18] Please state your name. For the
[1:27:19] record. The first person has
[1:27:21] ten minutes. All others have
[1:27:35] three minutes. None of those in
[1:27:36] opposition to the applicant MAY
[1:27:37] come forward. Please state your
[1:27:37] name. For the record. The first
[1:27:38] person has ten minutes. All
[1:27:54] others have three minutes. The
[1:27:55] public hearing is now closed.
[1:27:56] Open for a board discussion or
[1:27:59] a motion.
[1:28:01] So if one makes a motion and I
[1:28:01] don
[1:28:03] t have a motion, but if one
[1:28:05] makes a motion, would that be
[1:28:09] with the suggestion of.
[1:28:10] You could make whatever motion
[1:28:11] you want.
[1:28:12] To make. I don
[1:28:12] t want.
[1:28:12] To make.
[1:28:13] A motion.
[1:28:15] You can take their motion. You
[1:28:15] can take the staff
[1:28:16] s motion.
[1:28:23] You can make up a motion.
[1:28:26] Okay.
[1:28:26] I don
[1:28:26] t have.
[1:28:27] A motion.
[1:28:28] Did I answer your question?
[1:28:29] Did.
[1:28:32] Mayor, if I MAY. This to me is
[1:28:34] really interesting. Um, because
[1:28:36] I feel like at the core of it,
[1:28:38] um, our conversations have been
[1:28:40] centered around safety. Um, and
[1:28:42] so looking at the request of
[1:28:45] planning and zoning to opt to
[1:28:47] use bouncers, but if they have
[1:28:49] to stop at the door, then I
[1:28:49] don
[1:28:51] t know that that achieves
[1:28:52] the safety that we were looking
[1:28:53] for, for inside the
[1:28:55] establishment and then out, but
[1:29:00] then also, um, for the
[1:29:02] establishments that are already
[1:29:03] in business, this doesn
[1:29:03] t
[1:29:04] affect them. It
[1:29:05] s not
[1:29:07] retroactive. So this is going
[1:29:09] forward. So you don
[1:29:10] t want to
[1:29:11] implement something that
[1:29:12] s cost
[1:29:13] prohibitive to a new business.
[1:29:13] That
[1:29:16] s, um, that
[1:29:16] s starting
[1:29:18] their business. Uh, it
[1:29:18] s it
[1:29:18] s
[1:29:21] an interesting proposition. I
[1:29:24] think, um.
[1:29:29] Do you have a motion?
[1:29:31] Oh.
[1:29:31] You know, I don
[1:29:32] t mind making a
[1:29:37] motion. Um, gosh.
[1:29:38] And, I mean, I don
[1:29:39] t think this
[1:29:41] is at least from my point of
[1:29:41] view. I
[1:29:43] m not, you know,
[1:29:45] against safety. Um, around
[1:29:46] these establishments, but I
[1:29:47] just I just really think it
[1:29:49] would be cost prohibitive and
[1:29:50] kind of restrict what these
[1:29:52] businesses could do on a night
[1:29:54] to night basis. Um, they really
[1:29:55] have to be mindful of, you
[1:29:56] know, what day is they decide
[1:30:00] to provide amplified music past
[1:30:05] 11:00. Um, yeah. That
[1:30:05] s my only
[1:30:06] concern.
[1:30:06] I
[1:30:07] ll make a motion to approve
[1:30:09] the text as tendered. And the
[1:30:11] reason why is because I
[1:30:11] ve
[1:30:13] dealt with downtown for 40
[1:30:15] years as a criminal lawyer, and
[1:30:15] I
[1:30:18] ve seen the carnage caused by
[1:30:19] people in the bars who
[1:30:19] ve
[1:30:21] consumed way too much. They
[1:30:22] weren
[1:30:22] t just drinking, they
[1:30:24] were intoxicated and served by
[1:30:26] bars. And I think if you talk
[1:30:27] to the officers on the streets,
[1:30:29] they will tell you that
[1:30:30] oftentimes the people come out
[1:30:31] of the bars are not just
[1:30:32] drinking, they are completely
[1:30:34] intoxicated and just drunk. And
[1:30:38] today, uh, had to read, uh,
[1:30:40] because of a case of a very
[1:30:42] serious injury that occurred in
[1:30:44] a bar. And no bouncers were
[1:30:47] around, and they MAY have
[1:30:48] probably prevented it had they
[1:30:50] been. And when you use the word
[1:30:51] bouncer, what does that really
[1:30:53] mean? It means you go hire a
[1:30:54] college kid to come in and
[1:30:55] provide security, who
[1:30:57] oftentimes is a workout
[1:30:59] fanatic, who wants to go bully
[1:31:00] people and use that power.
[1:31:01] That
[1:31:02] s what my experience has
[1:31:04] been. All those watching on tv.
[1:31:05] You MAY have harsh words, but
[1:31:06] you can have all the harsh
[1:31:06] words you want. It
[1:31:08] s the truth,
[1:31:08] and I
[1:31:10] ve seen it for 40 years.
[1:31:11] Mm. So I don
[1:31:12] t want some 20
[1:31:13] year old kid. I
[1:31:13] m not trying to
[1:31:15] crack on a 20 year old
[1:31:16] providing security when
[1:31:17] something goes south, because
[1:31:18] people have had too much
[1:31:19] alcohol to drink, because
[1:31:19] they
[1:31:20] ve been in the bar for a
[1:31:21] while. And so if you
[1:31:22] ve got
[1:31:24] some professional security
[1:31:25] level of it, then you
[1:31:25] ve got
[1:31:27] better training about how to
[1:31:28] de-escalate, because what I
[1:31:29] find in the past is what
[1:31:30] bouncers do. The first thing
[1:31:32] they want to do is to strike.
[1:31:34] And I represented bars who
[1:31:34] ve
[1:31:35] been sued because their
[1:31:37] bouncers have struck an even
[1:31:37] though they
[1:31:38] ve been trained.
[1:31:38] Don
[1:31:40] t strike. People grapple
[1:31:42] and escort. But that doesn
[1:31:42] t
[1:31:44] say so for for for that
[1:31:45] experience. That
[1:31:45] s why I do
[1:31:45] this. And it
[1:31:46] s not going to
[1:31:48] affect any of our bars that are
[1:31:48] currently in because they
[1:31:48] re
[1:31:49] grandfathered in. So you
[1:31:49] re
[1:31:51] lucky. But going forward, I
[1:31:52] think if you
[1:31:52] re going to be in
[1:31:54] the business of serving alcohol
[1:31:56] late at night and people tend
[1:31:57] to imbibe because how do you
[1:31:58] get drunk if you
[1:31:58] re in the bar,
[1:31:59] if they
[1:32:00] re not serving you when
[1:32:01] they probably shouldn
[1:32:01] t be
[1:32:02] serving you? Uh, they
[1:32:02] re
[1:32:03] serving you too much alcohol.
[1:32:05] And then when you get too much
[1:32:06] alcohol, people bounce into
[1:32:07] each other or see somebody,
[1:32:08] girl. And there
[1:32:09] s comments back
[1:32:10] and forth and you and you got
[1:32:11] to fight. And then when
[1:32:12] somebody gets hit, it
[1:32:12] s not the
[1:32:14] strike that hurts them. It
[1:32:14] s
[1:32:15] when they fall on the concrete
[1:32:16] and hit their head and get a
[1:32:18] brain bleed and get brain
[1:32:19] damage. And I
[1:32:20] ve seen hundreds
[1:32:22] of cases like that in 40 years.
[1:32:22] So I
[1:32:23] m a little tough on this.
[1:32:26] I know. Um, but again, a
[1:32:27] balance. There
[1:32:28] s nothing more
[1:32:29] that I see as a college kid
[1:32:29] that
[1:32:30] s just working on their
[1:32:33] part time for 13, $14 an hour.
[1:32:34] So what level of
[1:32:36] professionalism do you get? You
[1:32:37] get what you pay for. So that
[1:32:37] s
[1:32:39] why I make the motion that we
[1:32:41] should adopt it as tendered and
[1:32:44] without the, uh, the bouncers
[1:32:45] as a substitute. Because I just
[1:32:45] think what you
[1:32:46] re really saying
[1:32:48] is let us hire somebody cheap
[1:32:48] who
[1:32:49] s a college kid. And
[1:32:50] usually professional security
[1:32:52] has liability in place on
[1:32:54] insurance. So if something does
[1:32:55] go south, you
[1:32:55] ve got a
[1:32:57] liability insurance policy that
[1:32:58] can that somebody can go after.
[1:33:00] If this, uh, security personnel
[1:33:02] went too far. And again, you
[1:33:02] see it, I
[1:33:03] ve seen it time and
[1:33:05] time again. Multiple bars have
[1:33:07] been sued down, down over.
[1:33:07] So you
[1:33:08] re making a motion for
[1:33:09] the staff sergeant?
[1:33:09] Yeah. The staff
[1:33:10] s
[1:33:11] recommendation that tracking
[1:33:12] that language.
[1:33:13] Does anybody got a second?
[1:33:14] I
[1:33:15] ll second the motion.
[1:33:16] All right.
[1:33:20] Any other discussion? Speak
[1:33:24] now. Forever. Hold your peace.
[1:33:25] All right. Motion been made by
[1:33:26] Councilmember Robinson and
[1:33:27] second by Councilmember Willis.
[1:33:28] All those in favor say aye.
[1:33:29] Aye, aye. Those opposed say
[1:33:31] nay.
[1:33:33] Motion passes, five zero.
[1:33:33] Oh.
[1:33:34] All right. That was it for the
[1:33:35] public hearings. We
[1:33:36] ll move on
[1:33:37] to other items of business
[1:33:37] number 11.
[1:33:38] All right. Thank you, mayor.
[1:33:41] Item number 11, resolution
[1:33:42] approving an interlocal
[1:33:43] agreement with Pitt County.
[1:33:45] Pitt Area Transit System
[1:33:46] relating to providing
[1:33:47] paratransit transportation
[1:33:49] services within the territorial
[1:33:50] jurisdiction of the City of
[1:33:51] Greenville. I
[1:33:51] ll call forward
[1:33:52] our transit manager with
[1:33:55] Davidson for short presentation.
[1:33:57] Thank you. Good evening. Good
[1:33:59] evening, good evening. Evening.
[1:34:00] I look forward to your short
[1:34:01] presentation.
[1:34:02] A yes, sir, I
[1:34:02] m going to give
[1:34:05] you a brief update on where we
[1:34:07] are with our Ada paratransit
[1:34:09] service. So just a reminder,
[1:34:10] Ada paratransit is the
[1:34:11] mandatory point to point
[1:34:12] transportation that we have to
[1:34:14] provide for qualifying
[1:34:16] customers with disabilities in
[1:34:17] which a disability affects
[1:34:19] their access to fixed route
[1:34:22] bus. Um, this is curb. Curb.
[1:34:23] And it
[1:34:25] s, uh, reimbursed at 80%
[1:34:27] of operating costs, 85% of
[1:34:30] capital cost. Um, pleased to
[1:34:32] announce, since we were here
[1:34:34] talking about paratransit last,
[1:34:35] that, uh, the city of
[1:34:37] Greenville and Pitt County were
[1:34:40] selected to receive $200,000
[1:34:41] each as part of a coordinated
[1:34:43] public transportation grant to
[1:34:46] continue our partnership effort
[1:34:47] to provide the transportation
[1:34:49] service. Um, great will use the
[1:34:51] funds to pay for trips that the
[1:34:54] county will provide, and pets
[1:34:56] will purchase vehicles. I
[1:34:59] believe with their funds. So we
[1:35:01] have been able to negotiate a
[1:35:04] renewed partnership for fy
[1:35:07] 2627. Uh, pets went through a
[1:35:10] fully allocated cost model, uh,
[1:35:12] exercise with ncdot staff to
[1:35:14] set their trip rate so their
[1:35:16] new trip rate at a break even
[1:35:20] point is $27 per trip. Um, the
[1:35:21] city is still on track. We
[1:35:22] re
[1:35:24] scheduled to begin, uh,
[1:35:26] partial, uh, Ada paratransit
[1:35:28] service that we will provide,
[1:35:31] uh, in OCTOBER. Uh, the service
[1:35:32] is is going to be provided with
[1:35:34] four, four vans. Three, uh,
[1:35:36] which will be Ada accessible.
[1:35:38] One is a minivan. Uh, we
[1:35:38] re in
[1:35:40] the process of creating the new
[1:35:42] positions, working with hr, uh,
[1:35:45] to get that finalized. Uh, we
[1:35:46] have trip booking software
[1:35:47] that
[1:35:48] s going to manage all of
[1:35:50] the, uh, clients bookings, um,
[1:35:52] customers can book via mobile
[1:35:56] app or by calling our office a
[1:35:57] picture of what, what the
[1:35:59] vehicles will look like that
[1:36:00] will provide the service that
[1:36:01] we have. Minivan. And then the
[1:36:03] high roof, uh, vans with a
[1:36:05] transit style door. It has an
[1:36:09] Ada lift in the back. So great.
[1:36:11] Will be the primary provider
[1:36:13] once we began service, uh, in
[1:36:15] in OCTOBER. Uh, like I said,
[1:36:16] great. We
[1:36:17] ll run four vans.
[1:36:17] Pat
[1:36:20] s will provide, uh, 2 to 3,
[1:36:21] uh, and we
[1:36:22] re still talking
[1:36:25] about about 2250 rides per
[1:36:27] month, right. For this program,
[1:36:29] the hours of operation. I know
[1:36:32] this was a point, uh, we spoke
[1:36:34] about back in FEBRUARY. We were
[1:36:35] able to go back and negotiate
[1:36:37] with, with pets that they will
[1:36:39] continue to provide the trips
[1:36:41] from 4 A.M. To 6 A.M., mainly
[1:36:43] dialysis patients. Uh, great.
[1:36:45] And pets will provide service
[1:36:47] from 6 to 6 and then great will
[1:36:48] provide the service from six
[1:36:51] until 830. Uh, on weekdays.
[1:36:53] Saturdays, same thing. Pets
[1:36:55] will provide the early morning,
[1:36:57] 4 to 9. Uh, we have different
[1:37:00] hours on Saturday, so the hours
[1:37:01] will match the service that
[1:37:04] great provides. 9 to 430 great.
[1:37:06] And pets? Pets if needed. And
[1:37:08] then pets will do 430 to 6 on
[1:37:11] Saturday. All right. We will
[1:37:14] notify customers, uh, of the
[1:37:15] change. That rate will be the
[1:37:17] primary provider. Pets will be
[1:37:18] the secondary provider, uh,
[1:37:21] through electronic mail, usps,
[1:37:23] uh, starting in SEPTEMBER, uh,
[1:37:24] all existing customers data
[1:37:26] will be exported into our new
[1:37:27] system. Uh, eligible
[1:37:29] eligibility requirements will
[1:37:33] not change. All right. Um,
[1:37:35] request that council would
[1:37:38] approve the fy 2627 interlocal
[1:37:40] agreement with Pitt County.
[1:37:42] All right, any questions?
[1:37:44] i did have a question. Did I
[1:37:46] understand you correctly to say
[1:37:50] that the new assessed cost is
[1:37:53] $27 per ride? Previously, it
[1:37:55] was $9. It was 18. It was 18.
[1:37:58] So $9 both ways. It was or was
[1:37:59] it $18? One way.
[1:38:00] , each way, one way.
[1:38:05] And so the increase to $27. Now
[1:38:05] one way.
[1:38:06] Correct.
[1:38:08] Um, and there
[1:38:09] s nothing that is
[1:38:11] there anything that we can do
[1:38:16] to, um, affect that cost for
[1:38:18] citizens.
[1:38:20] So the 27 the citizen won
[1:38:20] t pay
[1:38:21] that. So that
[1:38:22] s the cost that
[1:38:24] the city will pay the county
[1:38:24] per trip.
[1:38:26] City pays the county patrol.
[1:38:27] Okay. And so then for the
[1:38:29] actual rider, what does that
[1:38:30] look like with the actual.
[1:38:33] Rider today? That is still
[1:38:35] free? When when the city begins
[1:38:37] charging a fair and that
[1:38:37] s
[1:38:39] slated for at some point in
[1:38:41] OCTOBER. Okay. Then what the
[1:38:42] federal government allows is
[1:38:45] twice the normal fare. So if we
[1:38:47] were charging $1 for a bus
[1:38:49] fare, then the fare for a pet
[1:38:50] ride would be $2.
[1:38:52] It would be $2. Okay, so I
[1:38:52] m
[1:38:54] not thinking about the cost for
[1:38:54] a citizen. That
[1:38:57] s an outside of
[1:38:58] a particular program or
[1:39:01] whatnot. I was told that it was
[1:39:03] $9 per trip. I think that.
[1:39:06] Cost that a citizen of county
[1:39:08] pays to ride pets. Versus the
[1:39:10] city. They were riding it as a
[1:39:12] county. As a county citizen,
[1:39:15] riding the county system, not a
[1:39:16] Greenville resident using the
[1:39:19] Ada paratransit system. Because
[1:39:20] we work with the county to
[1:39:22] provide our Ada paratransit
[1:39:24] system within the city limits.
[1:39:26] Right. Okay, okay. So within
[1:39:28] the city limits, it
[1:39:29] s free.
[1:39:30] It
[1:39:32] s it is what you did.
[1:39:35] It went from $27 to free. Just
[1:39:35] like.
[1:39:36] Just like that.
[1:39:38] Yeah. In the does not pay. A
[1:39:40] customer does not pay today
[1:39:40] okay.
[1:39:42] That is what we are paying.
[1:39:43] We pay the county.
[1:39:43] The county.
[1:39:45] We will pay the county 27 per
[1:39:46] trip that they provide.
[1:39:48] Which previously was 18.
[1:39:50] Correct? Okay, I got it now.
[1:39:50] Okay.
[1:39:51] All right.
[1:39:53] Just like that. You got.
[1:39:53] It free.
[1:39:55] All you gotta do is ask.
[1:39:56] I think I got an understanding.
[1:39:57] Thank you.
[1:39:59] All right. Any other questions?
[1:39:59] Comments?
[1:40:00] No. I do.
[1:40:01] Want to say, um, I
[1:40:01] m so
[1:40:02] grateful and thankful that
[1:40:02] y
[1:40:04] all did make it. Um, the time
[1:40:06] change so that we can make sure
[1:40:07] that all of our citizens, um,
[1:40:09] can get to any appointments
[1:40:11] they MAY need to be. And with
[1:40:13] that, I move that we approve.
[1:40:14] Um, and I second that you
[1:40:14] re
[1:40:17] going with, um, being specific
[1:40:20] about those citizens that are
[1:40:22] impacted by, um, dialysis and
[1:40:23] need to get to their
[1:40:25] appointments. Yes. So we
[1:40:25] re
[1:40:26] greatly appreciative.
[1:40:26] Of that.
[1:40:27] Thank you. So we second in the
[1:40:28] motion or second in the
[1:40:29] comment..
[1:40:29] Second and.
[1:40:30] Both awesome.
[1:40:32] I like that. All right. Motion
[1:40:33] been made by Councilmember
[1:40:35] Jones. Second by uh, Mayor Pro
[1:40:36] Tem Forman any other
[1:40:37] discussion?
[1:40:39] I did want to ask mayor if we
[1:40:40] could get an update at our
[1:40:43] next, um, workshop about the
[1:40:46] rollout of the shelters. Um, I
[1:40:47] would love to be able, for all
[1:40:49] of us to know together where we
[1:40:51] are with that rollout and how
[1:40:52] many more we have to go. Um,
[1:40:53] just to get some clarity.
[1:40:54] On that.
[1:40:54] We
[1:40:56] ll do. Thank you.
[1:40:57] All right. Any other
[1:40:58] discussion.
[1:40:59] When you say shelter, don
[1:40:59] t
[1:41:01] offer the benches.
[1:41:02] That for.
[1:41:03] Sure.
[1:41:06] And the bars that need to be
[1:41:07] removed.
[1:41:08] We have we
[1:41:09] ve already started
[1:41:10] removing those bars. Right.
[1:41:11] Yes, yes, yes.
[1:41:11] Okay.
[1:41:12] Thank you.
[1:41:12] I want.
[1:41:14] Welcome those. And I
[1:41:14] ve only
[1:41:16] seen a couple that are left.
[1:41:17] We put we put a few in the
[1:41:19] middle of our chairs.
[1:41:20] At one. This time we were
[1:41:22] walking. All right. Any other
[1:41:25] discussion? All those in favor
[1:41:26] say aye. Aye. Those opposed say
[1:41:27] nay.
[1:41:29] Motion passes five zero.
[1:41:29] Let
[1:41:32] s move on to item number
[1:41:34] 12. Number 12. Final real item.
[1:41:36] Approval to purchase 188
[1:41:37] vehicle for the City of
[1:41:38] Greenville and the Transit
[1:41:39] Division. Turn it back over to
[1:41:41] MR. Davidson.
[1:41:43] Thank you. All right. Request
[1:41:46] to purchase 188 paratransit
[1:41:47] van. So this would be a van
[1:41:49] matching the hot top van that
[1:41:50] we saw. Council previously
[1:41:52] approved the purchase of three
[1:41:53] back in FEBRUARY. So this would
[1:41:55] be adding, uh, another Ada van.
[1:42:00] So cost of that van,
[1:42:05] $123,371.76. Funding will come
[1:42:08] from 85% from our fta funding,
[1:42:11] 15% from general fund. That
[1:42:11] s
[1:42:13] what the van will look like.
[1:42:15] Um, we request that council
[1:42:16] approve the purchase of one Ada
[1:42:18] accessible paratransit van
[1:42:20] using fta and general funds.
[1:42:23] All right. Any questions?
[1:42:24] Motions.
[1:42:24] I
[1:42:25] ll move.
[1:42:26] All right. Most of you MAY, but
[1:42:28] Council Jones, second by
[1:42:28] Councilmember Robison. Any
[1:42:30] other discussion? All those in
[1:42:32] favor say aye. Aye, aye. Those
[1:42:33] opposed say nay.
[1:42:34] Motion passes five zero.
[1:42:35] Now what? Everybody
[1:42:35] s been
[1:42:36] waiting for. Everybody in the
[1:42:38] audience has been waiting for
[1:42:39] the city manager
[1:42:40] s report.
[1:42:41] Uh, you know, it was going to
[1:42:42] be a long one tonight, but I
[1:42:44] will make it quick. I just want
[1:42:47] to wish my wife a happy
[1:42:47] anniversary. We
[1:42:48] ll be
[1:42:50] celebrating our 34th wedding
[1:42:52] anniversary on Sunday, and I
[1:42:52] can
[1:42:53] t wait to have a nice,
[1:42:55] quiet meal together at Taco
[1:42:57] Bell. Yes.
[1:42:59] Hey, has anybody nominated her
[1:43:02] as a saint yet? Saint Pam.
[1:43:02] Saint.
[1:43:03] Pam.
[1:43:05] 34 years. Yeah. Make some else.
[1:43:06] Yeah.
[1:43:08] Oh, man.
[1:43:09] Holy cow.
[1:43:10] She likes punishment, doesn
[1:43:10] t
[1:43:10] she?
[1:43:12] Yes. We
[1:43:13] ll be enjoying our
[1:43:15] nacho Bell Grande. Uh, Sunday
[1:43:16] evening.
[1:43:16] What
[1:43:17] s up? What
[1:43:17] s the drink
[1:43:18] that they have? Like they
[1:43:18] ve
[1:43:19] had like an orange drink or
[1:43:21] something. Baja blast or
[1:43:23] something. Get her a hey, get
[1:43:24] her a bar blast to go with
[1:43:24] that..
[1:43:28] Free refills. That
[1:43:30] s all I got,
[1:43:30] man.
[1:43:30] We
[1:43:31] re going south quick. All
[1:43:33] right, our city city attorney
[1:43:33] s
[1:43:34] report quickly.
[1:43:35] Mayor and council, shout out to
[1:43:37] MR. Scott Dixon. Uh, he was
[1:43:39] reappointed to serve on the
[1:43:41] North Carolina League of
[1:43:43] Municipalities. Uh, Legislative
[1:43:44] Policy Committee. So shout out
[1:43:45] to Scott for that.
[1:43:46] Congratulations.
[1:43:50] Congratulations, Scott.
[1:43:52] All right. Maybe this might be
[1:43:55] the most anticipated, uh,
[1:43:57] comment of the night. Our city
[1:43:57] clerk
[1:43:58] s report.
[1:43:58] I
[1:43:59] m gonna keep this really
[1:44:01] short. Happy birthday to my
[1:44:02] baby sister, Frannie. She
[1:44:03] s 38,
[1:44:04] but still a baby to me.
[1:44:06] My baby sister. Oh, okay.
[1:44:08] Happy birthday. Thank you.
[1:44:08] That
[1:44:10] s awesome. Where are we
[1:44:11] going? Are we. Are we gonna
[1:44:13] start tonight? Okay.
[1:44:14] Um, MAY I rehearse this
[1:44:18] earlier? I have no comment.
[1:44:20] Uh, just, uh, congratulations
[1:44:21] to our three teams that we
[1:44:22] recognized earlier, and
[1:44:23] everybody have a great rest of
[1:44:25] your week.
[1:44:27] Awesome. Councilmember wills.
[1:44:29] Thank you. Mayor. Um, I
[1:44:31] attended the Chamber of
[1:44:31] Commerce
[1:44:33] s, um, leadership
[1:44:35] conference earlier today. That
[1:44:36] was wonderful to see all the
[1:44:37] ladies come together. It was
[1:44:40] very empowering. Uh, so kudos
[1:44:41] to them. They do such good
[1:44:42] work. And so it was a wonderful
[1:44:44] event to attend. And, uh,
[1:44:47] praying for a safe, um, school
[1:44:49] year for all of the teachers
[1:44:51] and administrators and students
[1:44:52] going back to school with pay
[1:44:54] county schools. Um, and I think
[1:44:54] that
[1:44:55] s all I have. Mayor.
[1:44:56] Thank you. All right. Thank you
[1:44:57] very much, Councilmember
[1:44:58] Robinson.
[1:44:59] Uh, I just want to echo the
[1:45:00] comments earlier. First,
[1:45:02] congratulations to Glen Wooten
[1:45:03] for serving us for three
[1:45:03] decades. That
[1:45:04] s amazing.
[1:45:06] Congratulations to those three
[1:45:07] teams. I mean, I really hear
[1:45:09] the Lady Swarm are just
[1:45:11] incredible players and coaches.
[1:45:12] I appreciate you volunteering
[1:45:13] your time and being a role
[1:45:15] model for these kids. It means
[1:45:16] more than you probably ever
[1:45:17] know in your lifetime, but
[1:45:18] they
[1:45:18] ll carry those lessons
[1:45:20] forward with them. And if
[1:45:20] you
[1:45:21] re watching and you have a
[1:45:21] team that
[1:45:22] s doing well, please
[1:45:23] let us know so we can have them
[1:45:27] down here at City Hall. Um, uh,
[1:45:27] let
[1:45:29] s see. Also, thank you to
[1:45:30] everybody and staff and Valerie
[1:45:34] for a smiley mug of flowers
[1:45:36] and, uh, a gift certificate out
[1:45:38] to Boa. I mean, because that
[1:45:39] first two weeks, I was not
[1:45:41] smiling after knee replacement,
[1:45:42] and I looked up and my wife put
[1:45:43] it right in front of me. She
[1:45:45] said. She said, do what the cup
[1:45:47] says and smile. And so thank
[1:45:47] y
[1:45:48] all for doing that because I
[1:45:49] was not smiling the first two
[1:45:50] weeks. But thank you all for
[1:45:51] thinking of me during that
[1:45:53] time.
[1:45:56] Good. All right. Mayor Pro tem
[1:45:57] for me.
[1:45:58] Uh.
[1:46:00] I will mirror the comments that
[1:46:02] were made and elevate again.
[1:46:04] The teams that were here and
[1:46:05] the many teams that we have in
[1:46:08] this city on all sides that are
[1:46:09] functioning in excellence and
[1:46:11] putting in hard work to make
[1:46:12] these accomplishments. So
[1:46:13] that
[1:46:13] s all.
[1:46:16] All right. I echo what everyone
[1:46:17] else said. Now I need a motion
[1:46:18] to adjourn.
[1:46:19] Motion to adjourn.
[1:46:20] Second.
[1:46:22] I need a motion been made by
[1:46:23] Councilmember Robinson. Second
[1:46:24] by Mayor Pro Tem Forman. All
[1:46:25] those in favor say aye. Aye.
[1:46:26] Those opposed. Nay, nay.
[1:46:28] Passes five zero.