1 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,440 good evening can everybody hear me okay 2 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,680 great thank you 3 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:31,879 so we're going to get started in a 4 00:02:31,879 --> 00:02:38,869 couple of 5 00:02:38,879 --> 00:02:41,120 minutes so one thing I would like to ask 6 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:42,879 every just a couple housekeeping items 7 00:02:42,879 --> 00:02:47,000 if uh if you haven't signed in please do 8 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,599 so there's two Sig in sheets at each of 9 00:02:49,599 --> 00:02:52,830 the 10 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,040 entryways feel free to grab some cookies 11 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,760 and and water that's important 12 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:05,350 housekeeping 13 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,360 oh and I would also ask if if anybody 14 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,239 has a laptops or phones with microphones 15 00:03:10,239 --> 00:03:13,640 to disable them if they could because it 16 00:03:13,640 --> 00:03:14,920 picks up the signal in the room and 17 00:03:14,920 --> 00:03:21,990 we'll get feedback on these 18 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,560 microphones so I believe are we ready to 19 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,400 get started 20 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,840 everyone okay well um again 21 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,239 welcome my name is Dr Greg Kramer I'm 22 00:03:33,239 --> 00:03:35,760 the superintendent parks and trees and 23 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,120 the tree warden for town of Greenwich 24 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,360 and uh this is our our first kickoff 25 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,640 meeting related to our master plan for 26 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,959 pomarance tuckman and we have our GZA 27 00:03:45,959 --> 00:03:49,120 team here I'll introduce very shortly um 28 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,519 tonight I'd like everybody to kind of 29 00:03:51,519 --> 00:03:53,799 give the feedback um that they feel 30 00:03:53,799 --> 00:03:56,079 they'd like to express there's no good 31 00:03:56,079 --> 00:03:58,560 or bad feedback is just feedback so I 32 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,879 want this to be an open forum for for 33 00:04:01,879 --> 00:04:05,200 discussion and thoughts and and ideas 34 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:06,519 because that's how we develop really 35 00:04:06,519 --> 00:04:09,879 good plans and from there team will take 36 00:04:09,879 --> 00:04:11,480 all that information and start to 37 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:17,320 develop uh a plan so right now there is no P plan per se but there is 38 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,880 some ideas and again this is an open for 39 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,160 to express those 40 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,840 ideas so I would like to introduce our 41 00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:29,080 team who's here today uh Steven Leo is 42 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,479 the principal in charge in planning for 43 00:04:31,479 --> 00:04:34,680 GZA um he's been with the organization 44 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,919 for 35 years in planning and permitting 45 00:04:36,919 --> 00:04:38,800 and environmental analysis of natural 46 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:40,759 resources and management 47 00:04:40,759 --> 00:04:43,160 projects um he specializes in land use 48 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,400 planning Trail assessment and planning 49 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,560 wet L assessment environmental impact 50 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,759 evaluations as well as federal state and 51 00:04:49,759 --> 00:04:51,280 local 52 00:04:51,280 --> 00:04:53,520 permitting uh Mr Leo has been involved 53 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:54,880 with numerous large scale planning 54 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:56,560 efforts throughout the Northeast United 55 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,199 States with a focus on 56 00:04:58,199 --> 00:05:00,039 Connecticut uh where there is a broad 57 00:05:00,039 --> 00:05:01,479 knowledge of many technical elements 58 00:05:01,479 --> 00:05:03,240 allow him to successfully manage large 59 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,479 scale interdisciplinary and complex 60 00:05:06,479 --> 00:05:08,240 projects 61 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,639 um the next is our is Daniel 62 00:05:11,639 --> 00:05:14,039 Shaw he's our project manager and point 63 00:05:14,039 --> 00:05:14,919 of 64 00:05:14,919 --> 00:05:17,759 contact uh Dan has been a project 65 00:05:17,759 --> 00:05:19,759 manager and primary point for contact 66 00:05:19,759 --> 00:05:22,520 during this process he's a registered 67 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:23,880 landscape architect who's created 68 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,400 landscape designs for a range of clients 69 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,759 including Architects municipalities and 70 00:05:28,759 --> 00:05:30,639 state agencies 71 00:05:30,639 --> 00:05:32,479 uh to name a few Dan's background has 72 00:05:32,479 --> 00:05:34,080 given him a broad knowledge of design 73 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,039 public spaces Parks Trails playgrounds 74 00:05:36,039 --> 00:05:38,400 and waterfronts his knowledge in green 75 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,160 infrastructure resilience planning and 76 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,080 natural and build environments to 77 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,000 promote Health ecology restoration and 78 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:45,479 planning at both neighborhood and 79 00:05:45,479 --> 00:05:47,039 Regional 80 00:05:47,039 --> 00:05:49,400 levels uh Dan is a collaborator and 81 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,199 Communicator with skilled in participate 82 00:05:51,199 --> 00:05:53,120 design and public speaking will actively 83 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:54,600 involved in a community engagement 84 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,840 process he's an active listener making 85 00:05:57,840 --> 00:05:59,039 interactions with the community and 86 00:05:59,039 --> 00:06:03,469 accountable and positive 87 00:06:03,479 --> 00:06:07,759 progress um to my immediate left is CC 88 00:06:07,759 --> 00:06:09,479 Saunders she's a historical 89 00:06:09,479 --> 00:06:12,280 documentation specialist um she's the 90 00:06:12,280 --> 00:06:14,039 principal of historic preservation since 91 00:06:14,039 --> 00:06:16,199 1982 has been served and a principal 92 00:06:16,199 --> 00:06:18,120 investigator and primary author and 93 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:19,720 public manager for numerous cultural 94 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,360 resource projects she's met professional 95 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,039 qualifications for national park 96 00:06:25,039 --> 00:06:27,080 services uh Miss Saunders currently 97 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:28,479 serves as the governor's appointed 98 00:06:28,479 --> 00:06:30,120 member of the Connecticut State historic 99 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,240 preservation review board a position 100 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,000 she's held since 101 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,599 1993 the board is also for reviewing and 102 00:06:36,599 --> 00:06:38,639 editing Statewide National registered 103 00:06:38,639 --> 00:06:40,680 nominations before transfer to 104 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,599 Department of interior national park 105 00:06:42,599 --> 00:06:44,919 services where can Connecticut Urban 106 00:06:44,919 --> 00:06:46,759 rule in Waterfront sites Miss Saunders 107 00:06:46,759 --> 00:06:48,479 has directed a full range of projects 108 00:06:48,479 --> 00:06:50,720 that encourages I'm sorry encompasses 109 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,360 archival research archaeological 110 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,639 evaluation and field investigations 111 00:06:54,639 --> 00:06:56,720 structural assessment visual impacts 112 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,639 analysis master plan development she's 113 00:06:59,639 --> 00:07:01,440 also unique prior experiences having 114 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,800 served the town of granch Conservation 115 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,160 Commission and also with us tonight is 116 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:11,230 Kora atani 117 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,160 anania um she's an ecological scientist 118 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,680 she's helped out in ecological site 119 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,759 visits in the park with staff her 120 00:07:18,759 --> 00:07:20,919 background is in biology with a degree 121 00:07:20,919 --> 00:07:22,560 in Environmental 122 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,039 Management she's worked with a range of 123 00:07:25,039 --> 00:07:26,919 clients including local Connecticut 124 00:07:26,919 --> 00:07:30,000 towns state agencies and involving 125 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,599 projects focusing on trail maintenance 126 00:07:32,599 --> 00:07:34,800 ecological assessment and living 127 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,759 shorelines so that's our team uh from 128 00:07:37,759 --> 00:07:40,360 GZA and then I also would would like to 129 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,479 introduce some of our staff here on on 130 00:07:42,479 --> 00:07:45,599 board we have Dan Carlson who's our 131 00:07:45,599 --> 00:07:49,000 assistant Park director and Darren 132 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,599 Wigglesworth who's our park operations 133 00:07:52,599 --> 00:07:56,120 manager so without further Ado um I 134 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,879 believe we can get the presentation uh 135 00:07:58,879 --> 00:08:01,479 present start so Dan if you'd like to 136 00:08:01,479 --> 00:08:02,440 take it 137 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,840 away thanks for the introduction Greg 138 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:23,990 just gonna start sharing my 139 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,240 screen thank you all for coming out can 140 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,479 you all hear me all right thanks to 141 00:08:30,479 --> 00:08:33,279 anyone listening at home on Zoom so 142 00:08:33,279 --> 00:08:34,800 we're here to talk about the pommerin 143 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,919 and tuckman site here in Greenwich it's 144 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:40,680 a town-owned pair of parcels that is 145 00:08:40,680 --> 00:08:44,080 used as a public open space for Passive 146 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,560 Recreation and has has been in town 147 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:49,440 ownership um at this point for a couple 148 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,959 of decades and it saw an uptick in use 149 00:08:53,959 --> 00:08:56,480 around 2020 and the need for a long 150 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,760 range vision for the plan to to manage 151 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:00,880 it going forward was was highlighted 152 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,200 during that time 153 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:07,160 so um this project is to create an 154 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,959 overall guiding vision for the p and 155 00:09:09,959 --> 00:09:11,160 tuckman 156 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,440 site so this is a map showing the the 157 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,560 project area the pomerance parcel is the 158 00:09:17,560 --> 00:09:20,760 larger one that's uh to the west and the 159 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,320 tuckman parcel is the slightly smaller 160 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,959 one to the east they together comprise 161 00:09:26,959 --> 00:09:30,360 just over a 100 acres of open space 162 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,920 and the significance of this as an open 163 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,640 space is uh not only its its size and 164 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,120 the resource that it offers but also its 165 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,200 uh connectivity to other parks in the 166 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,680 neighborhood as well as it's being 167 00:09:46,680 --> 00:09:48,920 walking distance from you know the the 168 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,560 center of ccob and neighborhoods where 169 00:09:51,560 --> 00:09:53,880 lots of people live so as I'm sure you 170 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:55,760 know it's it's a valuable resource for 171 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:56,880 those 172 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,640 reasons um where we're currently at is 173 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,279 we're creating this master plan and 174 00:10:02,279 --> 00:10:04,720 we're at the stage right now where we're 175 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,160 not drafting recommendations or anything 176 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:09,920 like that yet we've been working on 177 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,120 background research site investigation 178 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,760 historical research and now we're here 179 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,720 to present background information about 180 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,279 the project and the site with you all 181 00:10:19,279 --> 00:10:21,160 and to have a discussion in the second 182 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,839 half of the evening tonight to get your 183 00:10:23,839 --> 00:10:26,040 ideas your thoughts your experiences of 184 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,640 how you use the site and we'll be 185 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,360 recording those ideas so that we can um 186 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,399 reflect those in the recommendations 187 00:10:33,399 --> 00:10:35,240 that we're going to produce for this 188 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,720 project so that's that's what this slide 189 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,160 here summarizes this is where we're at 190 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,959 in the scope of the project so in bold 191 00:10:43,959 --> 00:10:46,760 there is where we're at now um the the 192 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,600 next steps after we uh there's this 193 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,600 public meeting simultaneous with this 194 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,560 there's an online survey that's been 195 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:58,040 launched and so far we've had a lot of 196 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:59,800 uh participants I think we're already up 197 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,480 to 500 responses on it it poses a range 198 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,920 of questions about how you use the Pomer 199 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,200 and tuckman park what you see as the 200 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:13,240 priorities there um and you know 201 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:14,440 together with the discussion that we'll 202 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,399 have tonight we're taking that feedback 203 00:11:16,399 --> 00:11:19,519 into account as we then move on to the 204 00:11:19,519 --> 00:11:22,000 next step um in the coming weeks of 205 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,240 starting to draft uh initial 206 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,639 recommendations for the master plan so 207 00:11:26,639 --> 00:11:27,959 when we get to that stage there will be 208 00:11:27,959 --> 00:11:29,800 a second public meeting it hasn't been 209 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,680 scheduled yet it may be in December but 210 00:11:32,680 --> 00:11:34,160 we'll we'll post that when it's been 211 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,639 planned and at that point we'll share uh 212 00:11:37,639 --> 00:11:42,360 preliminary ideas that we've started to draw together as a project team um 213 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,360 for some further discussion and feedback 214 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,560 on that and then we'll finalize the 215 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:49,440 master plan after 216 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,839 that so to give a little background um 217 00:11:53,839 --> 00:11:58,040 we'll get into the the history of this really interesting pair of sites 218 00:11:58,040 --> 00:11:59,959 but they they were purchased by the town 219 00:11:59,959 --> 00:12:03,399 in um 2000 starting with the pomerance 220 00:12:03,399 --> 00:12:06,360 parcel which is 75 acres and when the 221 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,360 town acquired that piece of land they 222 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,680 put together a committee to look at what 223 00:12:11,680 --> 00:12:15,199 the best use for as a public uh resource 224 00:12:15,199 --> 00:12:17,040 this this could be and the the pomerans 225 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:18,920 planning committee in 2001 recommended 226 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:23,839 to keep the the land used as open space 227 00:12:23,839 --> 00:12:25,839 protected for Passive 228 00:12:25,839 --> 00:12:29,199 Recreation and um their recommend 229 00:12:29,199 --> 00:12:32,120 included a few modest site improvements 230 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:33,680 which have been implemented there's a 231 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:36,839 small parking area and there's a 232 00:12:36,839 --> 00:12:38,800 restroom and they looked at the 233 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,680 feasibility of various uses that had 234 00:12:40,680 --> 00:12:44,000 been floated for that site in 2007 um 235 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,120 the town had the opportunity to buy the 236 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,560 31 acre tuckman parcel and so now 237 00:12:49,560 --> 00:12:51,519 together those two Parcels have formed 238 00:12:51,519 --> 00:12:55,000 one contiguous Park and really the two 239 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,680 Parcels are seamlessly connected with 240 00:12:57,680 --> 00:13:01,040 the Montgomery pinetum as as well so it 241 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,560 all together forms U an extensive open 242 00:13:03,560 --> 00:13:08,360 space and then uh various uh open space 243 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,079 plans and planning uh reports and 244 00:13:11,079 --> 00:13:12,880 Studies have been done by the town since 245 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:17,399 then which this open space uh supports 246 00:13:17,399 --> 00:13:18,760 the goals of and I'll I'll just run 247 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,880 through those quickly in a second and as 248 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,199 I mentioned in in 2020 with the pandemic 249 00:13:24,199 --> 00:13:26,639 people staying at home we saw an uptick 250 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:30,800 in the use of this park and um you know 251 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:32,320 when a park starts to become almost 252 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,720 loved to death you have to start to say 253 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,199 okay well how are we going to sustain 254 00:13:36,199 --> 00:13:37,480 this level of foot traffic and 255 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,279 visitorship and all of this so that 256 00:13:39,279 --> 00:13:41,320 highlighted the need to take a step back 257 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,199 and look at the master plan for how we 258 00:13:43,199 --> 00:13:45,160 prioritize improvements in this park and 259 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,360 how we Steward it um so just a few of 260 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:49,839 those reports I was talking about so the 261 00:13:49,839 --> 00:13:51,759 town looked at the pomerance parcel in 262 00:13:51,759 --> 00:13:54,480 2001 made some recommendations there's a 263 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,320 cob neighborhood plan which um this pair 264 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:02,279 of pars as open space supports goals of 265 00:14:02,279 --> 00:14:04,519 the uh 2019 Greenwich plan of 266 00:14:04,519 --> 00:14:07,680 conservation and development um has 267 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:11,040 goals that the uh Palmer and tuckman 268 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,399 site can 269 00:14:13,399 --> 00:14:16,399 support um protection of of this par 270 00:14:16,399 --> 00:14:19,000 pair of parcels also supports the 2022 271 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,959 Greenwich open space plan when we look 272 00:14:20,959 --> 00:14:22,360 at things like you know protecting 273 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,800 undeveloped land from uh development 274 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,880 that is one aspect of the the two 275 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:29,320 Parcels that will get into a little bit 276 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,959 tonight it's um owned by the town but 277 00:14:31,959 --> 00:14:34,279 these two Parcels don't have any kind of 278 00:14:34,279 --> 00:14:36,920 formal restriction from development 279 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:38,279 placed on them there's there's no 280 00:14:38,279 --> 00:14:39,759 conservation easements or anything like 281 00:14:39,759 --> 00:14:42,079 that so being owned by the town is a 282 00:14:42,079 --> 00:14:43,639 measure of protection but it's not 283 00:14:43,639 --> 00:14:45,560 technically uh fully protected from 284 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,920 development so that and that is one of 285 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,120 our goals going into this project the 286 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,440 project team feels it would benefit from 287 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,160 protection um and this is an excerpt 288 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:01,000 from that open space plan the pommer and tuckman Parcels are down at the 289 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,279 bottom of that area that's circled but 290 00:15:03,279 --> 00:15:06,040 what this is showing that these two 291 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:10,399 Parcels form a uh Greenway of uh 292 00:15:10,399 --> 00:15:12,480 connectivity to larger Open Spaces in 293 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,560 the region the myis uh Greenway is not 294 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,240 far to the north from this so that adds 295 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,759 you know another level of priority to to 296 00:15:22,759 --> 00:15:24,680 protecting open space when it connects 297 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,360 other existing open 298 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,680 spaces so the the goals that our project 299 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,480 team you know uh with the town here have 300 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,959 going into this project are to form a 301 00:15:36,959 --> 00:15:40,240 master plan for Palmer and tuckman that 302 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,279 protects provides a pathway for 303 00:15:42,279 --> 00:15:45,160 protecting the parcels from 304 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,839 development a strategy for mitigating 305 00:15:47,839 --> 00:15:50,440 climate change impacts in the 306 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,959 community enhancing biodiversity and 307 00:15:52,959 --> 00:15:55,480 climate resilience in the parcels 308 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,519 identifying appropriate recreational 309 00:15:57,519 --> 00:16:00,319 uses inside Improv 310 00:16:00,319 --> 00:16:02,399 improvements finding an appropriate 311 00:16:02,399 --> 00:16:04,319 strategy for celebrating the site's 312 00:16:04,319 --> 00:16:05,959 unique history we'll get into that in a 313 00:16:05,959 --> 00:16:08,600 moment um CCE our historical consultant 314 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,480 dug up there's a ton of History here and 315 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:12,600 as you probably know there's a lot of 316 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,839 remnants of that sites of of that 317 00:16:14,839 --> 00:16:16,519 history on the 318 00:16:16,519 --> 00:16:18,839 site so finding out how to celebrate and 319 00:16:18,839 --> 00:16:21,040 feature that if we choose um building 320 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:22,600 Community understanding of the project 321 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,199 site and background in part we're doing 322 00:16:24,199 --> 00:16:26,079 that that tonight by sharing the 323 00:16:26,079 --> 00:16:29,000 background with you all and then forming 324 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:30,720 a master plan based on all of that that 325 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,120 provides a guiding Vision big picture 326 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:37,600 and then also uh priority projects and 327 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,560 improvements that can be implemented and 328 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:43,279 we'll identify um you know paths forward 329 00:16:43,279 --> 00:16:45,040 and and a master plan like this can be 330 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:46,519 used as a resource for applying for 331 00:16:46,519 --> 00:16:49,600 funding for pursuing grants showing that 332 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,560 there's been a assessment and 333 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,240 prioritization of what the the most 334 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:54,720 meaningful improvements would be for a 335 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,470 space like 336 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,079 this so with that I'm going to turn it 337 00:17:00,079 --> 00:17:03,000 over to Cece to share the site's history 338 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:03,880 with 339 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:08,039 us thank you Dan um I'm gonna stand up 340 00:17:08,039 --> 00:17:10,880 because I'm so short that I would really 341 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:12,799 be a talking 342 00:17:12,799 --> 00:17:14,839 head 343 00:17:14,839 --> 00:17:18,799 um as Greg said I am an 344 00:17:18,799 --> 00:17:21,720 archaeologist and I must say that my 345 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,880 first Stateside archaeology 346 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:31,520 project was in costop you know 45 years 347 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,799 ago uh and I know that most of you know 348 00:17:34,799 --> 00:17:41,240 this history of kostov this parcel but 349 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:42,760 uh bear with me I'm just going to do 350 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:46,200 some highlights I have written many many 351 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,440 pages beyond what I'm giving but for 352 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,280 your patience I've cut it that back down 353 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:57,190 but I will give you the whole thing 354 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,549 okay um 355 00:18:00,559 --> 00:18:04,280 most of the settlers who came to the 356 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:05,960 kasab 357 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,360 area started farming uh mainly for the 358 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:11,080 Staples for their own 359 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,840 family uh and that was the 18th century 360 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:16,600 uh it was one of the first densely 361 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,240 populated areas because of the harbor it 362 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:24,080 was myanus River provided a fantastic 363 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,360 Harbor uh the soil wasn't so good as you 364 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:29,200 know it's Rocky right all of you who 365 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,559 work in a garden uh they were able 366 00:18:31,559 --> 00:18:34,799 mainly to do apples 367 00:18:34,799 --> 00:18:36,679 potatoes and 368 00:18:36,679 --> 00:18:39,440 onions uh but as the colonist continued 369 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:43,400 to arrive the remaining indigenous 370 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:47,159 inhabitants M speaking members of the 371 00:18:47,159 --> 00:18:48,799 larger Delaware 372 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:52,720 Nation uh they were pushed 373 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,840 out um and I'm gonna say that they were 374 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,919 part of the sanoi 375 00:18:59,919 --> 00:19:03,320 satum you had other smaller tribes along 376 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,240 the coastline but they were all part of 377 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:09,720 the sil sanoi Saum which is west of the 378 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,640 Norwalk fivemile 379 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:15,960 River we have radiocarbon dates in ccob 380 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:20,000 of 13,000 years ago we know that in 381 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,600 Connecticut um you have many 382 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,200 more 383 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,320 archaeological sites and in um 384 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,559 particular in he's trying to do my 385 00:19:31,559 --> 00:19:34,400 slides based on my speech but I'm not 386 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,039 following it am I okay here you are oh 387 00:19:37,039 --> 00:19:40,280 close enough okay you want to see this 388 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,440 yeah there you go um I'd like to 389 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,480 congratulate West uh grenwich it was the 390 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:50,600 second town in the state to enact 391 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,600 archaeological preservation as part of 392 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,120 your planning and zoning and so you were 393 00:19:56,120 --> 00:19:58,480 seeing not that I think you could PR 394 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,320 read it but this is one of many pages of 395 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,640 about more than 75 archaeological sites 396 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,799 in Greenwich and so we know that 13,000 397 00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:11,360 years ago is just a drop in the bucket 398 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:14,559 because we have radiocarbon dates in 399 00:20:14,559 --> 00:20:18,200 Connecticut from 12,000 years ago um but 400 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,600 I think you should be proud of 401 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,080 greenwich's contribution to this record 402 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,640 for the state it was the spread of 403 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,360 exotic diseases as well as ever growing 404 00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:30,320 conflicts with settlers and with the 405 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:34,080 British army um and 406 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,679 intermarriage with uh the settlers um 407 00:20:37,679 --> 00:20:43,840 with uh freed blacks and with enslaved 408 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,080 Africans that really disp and the 409 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,720 dispersal of the 410 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,720 sanoi so that you do not have a 411 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,120 representative First Nation here we have 412 00:20:56,120 --> 00:20:59,280 a record of the 413 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:04,440 last occupation which was about 30 Acres 414 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,080 um in the ccab area near Exit 4 that's 415 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,240 the greinwich Deeds show that uh that 416 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,000 was the last occupation of Native 417 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:20,640 American tribes here okay um the first 418 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,960 big transformation of this string of 419 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,679 little Villages along the coastline was 420 00:21:26,679 --> 00:21:30,159 the introduction of Roads first the 421 00:21:30,159 --> 00:21:33,760 Boston Post Road or Benjamin Franklin's 422 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:41,080 uh postal route um that came um the uh 423 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,760 1806 was when it came through the area 424 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,559 which is now the Greenwich High 425 00:21:46,559 --> 00:21:50,320 School through that uh Israel putnam's 426 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,400 Hill that's when it was blasted that was 427 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:53,919 the first time they had the blasting 428 00:21:53,919 --> 00:21:56,440 available there um then you had the 429 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,360 railroad come through in 18 19 430 00:21:59,360 --> 00:22:03,240 48 uh that was the big turning point 431 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,360 because you 432 00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:08,360 were part of the big city now uh 433 00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:10,960 Greenwich changed its name and at that 434 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,320 time from Horseneck to Greenwich horck 435 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,600 being a little too provincial it was 436 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,640 felt by 1850 you already have three 437 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,679 trains a day going between Greenwich and 438 00:22:21,679 --> 00:22:22,440 New 439 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,640 York uh within a few more years there 440 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,919 were seven trains a day going back and 441 00:22:26,919 --> 00:22:30,320 forth and by 1902 you had a trolley that 442 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,960 would connect you with Forester and to 443 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,080 the East 444 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:38,480 Stamford so it was that timing that gave 445 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,640 you this outsides market and connections 446 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:43,960 with the bigger 447 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,760 world uh it was this combined ease of 448 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,360 using the railroad excuse me I already 449 00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:50,919 have up 450 00:22:50,919 --> 00:22:53,960 here uh our 451 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,000 parcel Orchard Street on one side Bible 452 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,279 Street on the the other uh it was the 453 00:23:00,279 --> 00:23:04,080 combined ease of traffic and getting 454 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,279 back and forth that introduced the next 455 00:23:06,279 --> 00:23:09,279 big era which you all know about the era 456 00:23:09,279 --> 00:23:13,240 between 1870 and 1920 the greatest 457 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,559 States so you could come out to 458 00:23:16,559 --> 00:23:19,480 Greenwich and have 459 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:24,600 a an Italian Villa or you could have 460 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:29,240 um an aristocratic estate or or or a 461 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,960 French Chateau whatever you chose to 462 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,760 create on your private 463 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,840 property and then you would have 464 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,440 outbuildings to evoke this image and 465 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,080 that's the reason you had these greatest 466 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,360 States I'm sure all of you have seen the 467 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:50,279 book that came out what 30 year 30 40 468 00:23:50,279 --> 00:23:53,640 years ago the greatest States and it was 469 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:58,559 very very much a dominant part of this 470 00:23:58,559 --> 00:24:02,039 property and how it was settled and cre 471 00:24:02,039 --> 00:24:05,120 and created for the the first family 472 00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:06,120 that took 473 00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:09,520 over um it was the same time period that 474 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,840 the ccob harbor was turned into um a 475 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,520 famous art colony so we had a lot going 476 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,400 on at this time now what is now the 477 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,799 pomeran tuckman property it began as a I 478 00:24:23,799 --> 00:24:26,279 think originally it was like an 80 and a 479 00:24:26,279 --> 00:24:29,520 half undeveloped acres formed from uh 480 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,440 two uh 481 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,399 farms and it was a landscape full of 482 00:24:34,399 --> 00:24:37,600 hillocks streams bounded by Wetlands 483 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,600 craggy Bedrock 484 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,399 outcroppings uh you've all walked it 485 00:24:42,399 --> 00:24:44,159 you've stumbled on some things here and 486 00:24:44,159 --> 00:24:46,440 there I think on those U on those lovely 487 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,840 walks through there as I have um this is 488 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,640 what it was like in 1900 when Ernest 489 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,440 Thompson Satan bought it and it was 490 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,880 ultimately transformed into Satan 491 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,039 version of a gentleman's 492 00:25:02,039 --> 00:25:05,399 estate Satan was a ruggedly 493 00:25:05,399 --> 00:25:07,640 handsome 494 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,360 Outdoorsman illustrator and 495 00:25:10,360 --> 00:25:14,440 rur when he moved to America in 496 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,360 1896 he had been living in 497 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:20,240 Canada and while he was in Canada he 498 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,679 worked out in 499 00:25:21,679 --> 00:25:24,559 Manitoba and became very enamored of 500 00:25:24,559 --> 00:25:27,880 wolves and the wildlife and so forth out 501 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,760 in Manitoba and he brought that love of 502 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,399 the outside and nature with him when he 503 00:25:33,399 --> 00:25:39,080 came to Kasa he arrived with his um 504 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,720 wife a wealthy um 505 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,360 American uh and he was well known 506 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:48,919 already at that time for his animal 507 00:25:48,919 --> 00:25:53,000 stories he had written his first book 508 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,120 wild animals I have 509 00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:58,279 known and he was 510 00:25:58,279 --> 00:26:01,440 part of an elite group of writers who 511 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,840 could actually support himself and 512 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,320 support himself very well with his 513 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,480 writing uh magazine articles and books 514 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,559 this was an extremely popular 515 00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:14,880 book 516 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:19,480 um there is a quote that his a a Critic 517 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,720 at the time when this book came out 518 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,600 wrote not only a naturalist and an 519 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,480 animal artist of very high attainments 520 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,440 but is a master of a literary style that 521 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,880 is at once graphic and fascinating 522 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,679 though doubtless much of the charms of 523 00:26:34,679 --> 00:26:36,960 the book is due to his sympathetic love 524 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,679 of the wild animals and I think that 525 00:26:39,679 --> 00:26:42,720 comes across every time you read any of 526 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:43,960 his 527 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,399 Works um Now by 528 00:26:46,399 --> 00:26:50,399 1900 Satan had earned enough money and 529 00:26:50,399 --> 00:26:52,279 he and his wife and that's his wife's 530 00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:55,320 name on the deed map there gray 531 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,840 sceleton uh and he found this property 532 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,279 because he loved its 533 00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:05,720 wildness and people who went property 534 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,919 shopping with him noted that his 535 00:27:08,919 --> 00:27:11,679 excitement was in the fact that it was 536 00:27:11,679 --> 00:27:15,000 so wild that he could Envision the 537 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,360 animals and and the cragginess and and 538 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:20,399 the reason you probably love it 539 00:27:20,399 --> 00:27:26,159 too um he earlier in 1800 oh I'm talking 540 00:27:26,159 --> 00:27:28,640 about the greatest States 541 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,200 okay I want you to 542 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,840 know that the great States was already 543 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,679 here because Montgomery pinea was a 544 00:27:36,679 --> 00:27:40,399 great estate right we had some on North 545 00:27:40,399 --> 00:27:44,320 Palmer just over the mananas river also 546 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,440 so Satan was already as part of the 547 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,159 Great EST States when he came in at 548 00:27:51,159 --> 00:27:53,960 1900 the Montgomery Pine Edom used to 549 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,320 have an 18 Mansion 18 room mansion um 550 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:03,120 there it had uh Barns and uh all kinds 551 00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:06,240 of support animals and so forth so uh 552 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,440 Satan was moving right into that 553 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:15,880 area Satan christened his new cab estate 554 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,519 windig now he says that when he told 555 00:28:20,519 --> 00:28:24,679 everyone that windigo was named for his 556 00:28:24,679 --> 00:28:26,440 British 557 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,840 Scottish always back and forth British 558 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,960 or Scottish um 559 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:36,720 ancestors now he often claimed to have a 560 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,679 connection with a 561 00:28:39,679 --> 00:28:43,880 um royal family or lineage we don't know 562 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,320 if that was ever documented and we don't 563 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:51,600 know how uh secure that was but he often 564 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,279 used that other houses he had later on 565 00:28:54,279 --> 00:28:56,399 he also named for these British 566 00:28:56,399 --> 00:28:58,120 ancestors 567 00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,760 now Wendy 568 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,159 ghoul uh was reached by a driveway a 569 00:29:03,159 --> 00:29:06,559 quarter of a mile uphill driveway not 570 00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:08,880 from where you see the driveway today 571 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,559 but uh originally all the way at the 572 00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:12,840 very southern 573 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:17,960 end now you see these lovely um Gates 574 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,960 and 575 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:25,279 um this the gates and the gate post and 576 00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:26,320 the rod 577 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,760 iron keep that in 578 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:33,559 mind now um he built the house along his 579 00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:37,399 own design plans it's not 580 00:29:37,399 --> 00:29:38,960 necessarily 581 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,000 um a fabulous architectural 582 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,000 design but it's his combination 583 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:51,960 of seatan style u boxy frames boxy rooms 584 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,159 um terracotta roof um it was his own 585 00:29:56,159 --> 00:29:58,640 design and and because we have no record 586 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,000 of who designed 587 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,600 it it was only a family home was only 588 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,480 one part of his facet of 589 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,840 transformation he also designed and 590 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,840 Damned a brook to create the pond he um 591 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,399 added folies around the house around the 592 00:30:17,399 --> 00:30:21,279 grounds um he had the a root cellar put 593 00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:23,919 in we don't know there's your there's 594 00:30:23,919 --> 00:30:28,000 your U Folly Springhouse folly 595 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,640 he also put in 596 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,600 um Al also brought in lots of animals to 597 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,240 help 598 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,559 um populate the area he brought in he 599 00:30:39,559 --> 00:30:42,000 imported squirrels we can hardly imagine 600 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,919 why you would import squirrels but we 601 00:30:43,919 --> 00:30:46,880 have enough but he brought in squirrels 602 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,760 otter Fox water file 603 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,480 peacocks and over a hundred 604 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,200 skunks he was doing some cross breeding 605 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,519 experiments with skunks 606 00:30:58,519 --> 00:31:02,320 and so um that was very interesting uh 607 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:07,399 now if you look back on the Gate of the 608 00:31:07,399 --> 00:31:11,720 house keep this gate in mind uh Satan 609 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,519 built the gate and all the walls around 610 00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:17,399 the property because he didn't like the 611 00:31:17,399 --> 00:31:19,720 local kids coming in and killing the 612 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,519 small animals he felt you should live 613 00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:24,799 with nature and of course the small 614 00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:28,279 young boys were were used to being able 615 00:31:28,279 --> 00:31:30,559 to walk onto that property and kill the 616 00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:33,519 squirrels or the rabbits I mean that was 617 00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:39,639 their childhood activity and he said no no you can't do that so he kept 618 00:31:39,639 --> 00:31:42,480 that's the reason he put up the wall but 619 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,440 that didn't keep the boys from being 620 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,159 very angry and then they put lwd uh 621 00:31:48,159 --> 00:31:52,080 graffiti and terrible signs on his Gates 622 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,240 and around the walls so instead of going 623 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,440 to the uh local police Poli and 624 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,320 complaining what he did is he went to 625 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,559 the costop 626 00:32:01,559 --> 00:32:05,760 school because his theory was 627 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,320 that not one boy in a thousand is born 628 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,399 bad bad boys have Badness thrust upon 629 00:32:13,399 --> 00:32:17,159 them okay so he's thinking okay I can do 630 00:32:17,159 --> 00:32:20,440 this I can help these boys so he talked 631 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,120 to them it was about the Easter of 632 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,080 1902 and he invited them to come and 633 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,679 spend the weekend on his 634 00:32:28,679 --> 00:32:33,399 property and they had a hoot and a half 635 00:32:33,399 --> 00:32:36,000 they enjoyed it there are some wonderful 636 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:41,559 oral oral history about these young boys 637 00:32:41,559 --> 00:32:44,639 and what they had fun doing while on the 638 00:32:44,639 --> 00:32:48,440 property with Ernest Thompson 639 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,760 Sean they let me see if I I want to make 640 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,600 sure I get this they had days and nights 641 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,559 filled with learning about indigenous 642 00:32:55,559 --> 00:32:59,240 folklore camping tp's environmental 643 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,960 stewardship canoeing on the pond and 644 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,240 learning the sport of archery and woven 645 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,600 into these fun group activities with 646 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,279 principles of living 647 00:33:10,279 --> 00:33:14,279 immorality this was wonderful for them 648 00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:16,360 it's what was important to Ernest 649 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:17,320 Thompson 650 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:22,080 Satan and it went on and on for this is 651 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:26,200 the young this is the man who gave this 652 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:31,240 picture to the Greenwich oral history um 653 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,039 it was quite fun for them I think 654 00:33:34,039 --> 00:33:37,559 situated up high on the wendou property 655 00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:39,159 Satan and his he called him the 656 00:33:39,159 --> 00:33:42,440 Woodcraft Indians created a permanent 657 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:43,760 ceremonial 658 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,720 Center a large it was two large stones 659 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,480 that he set up um perpendicular using 660 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,639 cement which I don't think was original 661 00:33:53,639 --> 00:33:56,559 indigenous cement but he put them up 662 00:33:56,559 --> 00:34:00,039 together and uh you can still go and uh 663 00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:02,919 find it today this medicine rock is 664 00:34:02,919 --> 00:34:07,120 still intact and it's on the trail now 665 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,159 Satan wrote articles on how he worked 666 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:12,480 with these young boys and it's published 667 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,079 in the Ladies Home 668 00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:17,399 Journal and these articles 669 00:34:17,399 --> 00:34:21,639 became kind of his uh subsequent book on 670 00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:24,639 the Woodcraft and this is what he pulled 671 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:28,200 together um as a of how he was setting 672 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,359 up this Woodcraft Indians now what 673 00:34:32,359 --> 00:34:36,599 happened was um while Satan was in 674 00:34:36,599 --> 00:34:39,960 England on a speaking tour he met 675 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,480 Colonel Robert pton Powell now Robert 676 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,359 Payton Powell was a soldier a retired 677 00:34:48,359 --> 00:34:52,760 Soldier he had been in the bore war and 678 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:58,119 he had an idea of how to teach scouting 679 00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:02,119 because he had been a scout in the war 680 00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:06,000 so it was his idea to do scouting for 681 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,640 boys that was in England and Satan met 682 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,520 with him and they exchanged papers and 683 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,560 so forth and so that's how the Woodcraft 684 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,200 Indians became part of the founding of 685 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,839 the Boy Scouts of 686 00:35:20,839 --> 00:35:25,640 America um in 1910 Satan helped find uh 687 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,599 found excuse me the Boy Scouts of 688 00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:29,599 America and he became the chief Scout 689 00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:31,119 for the first five 690 00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:35,119 years um he severed ties with the Boy 691 00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:39,760 Scouts because they were um 692 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,160 including the use of guns and so forth 693 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,400 in the uh Boy Scouts and he did not 694 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,760 approve of that still trying to protect 695 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:49,560 the 696 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,160 animals um in 697 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:54,839 1912 the 698 00:35:54,839 --> 00:35:57,800 seans sell windigo 699 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,880 to New York Finance year excuse me 700 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,520 Maurice work time it was for 701 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,480 $250,000 the most expensive real estate 702 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,280 transaction of the 703 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,040 time Ernest Satan Thompson eventually 704 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,520 moved to Santa Fe and lived until 1946 705 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:17,800 his daughter 706 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,079 Anna I'm sure all of you know this from 707 00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:25,200 your childhood she was um the author of 708 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,640 many popular historical novels including 709 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,599 the winthrip woman which was partly uh 710 00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:31,960 set in Old 711 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,359 grenwich now Maurice was a successful 712 00:36:36,359 --> 00:36:39,319 investor of a very successful industrial 713 00:36:39,319 --> 00:36:42,040 father industrialist 714 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,760 father um and he enjoyed Wendy ghoul in 715 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,040 ccob as a summer weekend 716 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,880 retreat 717 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,480 um I don't know if any of you know this 718 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:58,880 but in 1931 it burned had a very very bad fire there and when they 719 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,119 rebuilt it they got rid of the third 720 00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:04,240 floor and uh the arcaded 721 00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:06,920 porch but 722 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,839 um wor time was uh quite an impressive 723 00:37:11,839 --> 00:37:13,880 man he was the founder and former 724 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,880 director of the New York theater Guild 725 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,000 an avid art 726 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,760 collector all now at the fog Museum in h 727 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,760 Harvard he was a champion chess player 728 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,440 he is credited with founding the 729 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,920 initiating the American Russian uh chess 730 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,440 battles uh foremost he served as 731 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,599 president of the American Jewish 732 00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:42,319 committee and he was honorary Trustee of 733 00:37:42,319 --> 00:37:44,640 the Federation of Jewish philanthropies 734 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:45,520 of New 735 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,920 York now over 736 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,040 time the the acreage 737 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:55,280 grew uh it was at this time that you see 738 00:37:55,280 --> 00:38:00,640 here was 150 Acres this is a 1938 739 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,400 map and you can't it's very hard to tell 740 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,079 but up close you can see that it's 741 00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:10,640 already divided into the Estates 742 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,920 separate Estates for the work times 743 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:17,480 daughters they had um uh three 744 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,839 daughters um and the property was 745 00:38:20,839 --> 00:38:22,560 divided at that 746 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:27,800 time the um Ann langum Barbara tuckman 747 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:28,920 and 748 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,319 Josephine uh 749 00:38:31,319 --> 00:38:35,160 pomerance now as noted on the two plaqu 750 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,640 installed on the windy 751 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:42,160 walls on June 7th 1942 752 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,680 Zionist uh and selected American Jewish 753 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,760 committee leaders met 754 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,599 informally at 755 00:38:48,599 --> 00:38:53,960 wyou um and developed the ccob formula 756 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,079 that advocated unrestricted Jewish 757 00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:57,400 immigrant 758 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,280 ation um to make organized and auton 759 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,319 autonomous Commonwealth the costop 760 00:39:04,319 --> 00:39:07,280 formula caused a great deal of 761 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,280 controversy among the American Jewish 762 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,119 committee leadership and was 763 00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:16,040 rejected uh only after World War II when 764 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,839 the full extent of the Holocaust became 765 00:39:18,839 --> 00:39:21,319 known and no no refuge was found for its 766 00:39:21,319 --> 00:39:24,280 survivors did the dissenting factions 767 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,359 join in an effort to establish a Jewish 768 00:39:27,359 --> 00:39:32,079 State Maurice uh werheim died in 1950 at 769 00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:35,000 the age of 62 but his children and 770 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,400 grandchildren have carried 771 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,880 on his legacy and also Satan's Legacy 772 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,560 that's all about caring and 773 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,480 stewardship Josephine W 774 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:52,040 time pomerance Josephine wor pomerans 775 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,680 spearheaded efforts for nuclear arms 776 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,319 control as founder head of the committee 777 00:39:57,319 --> 00:40:00,960 for World development and World 778 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,880 disarmament she later helped lead the 779 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,040 non-governmental committee on 780 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,160 disarmament a group that played a major 781 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,520 role in promoting disarmament at the UN 782 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,160 W times's daughter Barbara tuckman 783 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,359 two-time Pulitzer prize-winning 784 00:40:17,359 --> 00:40:20,119 historian grew up and continued to live 785 00:40:20,119 --> 00:40:23,000 in ccob on a part-time 786 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,480 basis there is the claim that Barbara 787 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,599 tuckman is the one woman who unwittingly 788 00:40:28,599 --> 00:40:30,839 taught JFK 789 00:40:30,839 --> 00:40:34,079 strategy after reading her guns of 790 00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:36,920 August Jack Kennedy bought dozens and 791 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,560 dozens of copies of the 792 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,800 book and he considered it such an 793 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,040 insightful examination of what led up to 794 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:53,000 World War I that he distributed it to US military leaders 795 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,160 with the command read it Kennedy 796 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:58,960 credited the insights gain from 797 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,200 tuckman's book to have been very 798 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,880 instrumental in settling the Cuban 799 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,240 Missile 800 00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:09,480 Crisis Barbara tuckman had three 801 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,319 daughters Jessica Lucy and 802 00:41:12,319 --> 00:41:15,560 Elma barbera's writing Studio or cabin 803 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,280 still stands on the 43 acre Alman 804 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:22,599 tuckman parcel at the southern limit of 805 00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:27,920 the outside the Sean worktime party 806 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,280 Jessica excuse me Jessica tuckman 807 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,000 Matthews at one time was director of 808 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,440 global issues for the National Security 809 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,240 Council she is a recognized American 810 00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:44,119 International Affairs expert with a 811 00:41:44,119 --> 00:41:46,920 focus on climate and energy defense and 812 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,640 Security nuclear weapons and conflict 813 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:50,599 and 814 00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:53,800 governance now RI 815 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,240 pomerance Josephine son is an American 816 00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:00,480 environmentalist he is a distinguished 817 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,040 senior Arctic policy fellow of the 818 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,280 woodwell climate Research Center since 819 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,079 the late 1970s he has played a key role 820 00:42:09,079 --> 00:42:11,960 in ra raising awareness of the risk of 821 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:16,400 climate change in US government 822 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,880 policy until 823 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,359 2001 Satan's Wendy ghoul was a 824 00:42:22,359 --> 00:42:25,559 functioning residential home the town of 825 00:42:25,559 --> 00:42:28,000 granch IR ired the property 826 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,480 approximately 75 Acres the town with 827 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,640 much public input and 828 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,000 consideration stabilize the historic 829 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,480 resources for the 830 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,680 future today the remaining stone walls 831 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,559 outline the first story of the original 832 00:42:44,559 --> 00:42:46,079 windy 833 00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:49,440 gou all of us are currently in the 834 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,400 process of considering the best path for 835 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,359 the future for the public and the varied 836 00:42:55,359 --> 00:42:59,200 resources how do we care for preserve 837 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,280 celebrate and enjoy this historical and 838 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,079 natural 839 00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:09,309 treasure thanks 840 00:43:09,319 --> 00:43:12,119 Cey and that all leads us to the site 841 00:43:12,119 --> 00:43:15,280 today so it has this incredible Rich 842 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,119 history and there's remnants of that 843 00:43:18,119 --> 00:43:20,000 physically all throughout the landscape 844 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,680 which is what makes the Pomer and 845 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,640 tuckman site so interesting to explore 846 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,359 so I'm going to go through some of the 847 00:43:26,359 --> 00:43:29,040 existing uh features that a visitor 848 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:36,960 nowadays uh experiences when you come to this park it's as we said uh it's set 849 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,800 aside for Passive Recreation that was um 850 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,839 the goal that was achieved in 2001 when 851 00:43:41,839 --> 00:43:44,839 the palmerin parcel was first bought the 852 00:43:44,839 --> 00:43:47,599 park today offers 853 00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:50,200 um hiking trails or probably the the 854 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,359 main feature all throughout its acreage 855 00:43:53,359 --> 00:43:56,880 there's a parking area off of orchards 856 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,720 Street um there's signage that orients 857 00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:02,319 visitors right off of that parking area 858 00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:05,599 and restrooms not far from there in the 859 00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:08,440 center of the park uh at the pond which 860 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,040 you can see on in the middle of the map 861 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:14,119 there there's um a dam which affords 862 00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:18,000 Waterfront uh access uh fishing is 863 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,520 allowed boating is not allowed there 864 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,400 isn't really access to to bring a boat 865 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,160 to the interior of the park and then the 866 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,280 rest of it is Earth Earth and trails 867 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,240 used for hiking jogging and dog walking 868 00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:33,119 so the two main points of arrival that 869 00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:35,880 are somewhat formalized are the Orchard 870 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,400 Street parking lot which has that 871 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,680 signage kiosk with the map on the left 872 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:40,960 and then on the right there's a more 873 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,280 modest signage kiosk welcoming people 874 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:44,839 from the Bible Street 875 00:44:44,839 --> 00:44:47,319 playground there's also informal access 876 00:44:47,319 --> 00:44:50,079 from um the Montgomery Pine nedum that 877 00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:52,359 just sort of weaves its way into the 878 00:44:52,359 --> 00:44:54,920 pomerat and tuckman parcels and as I 879 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,000 described there's the the parking area 880 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,640 the next few slides you'll see where we 881 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,319 are on the map with these photos with 882 00:45:01,319 --> 00:45:03,280 the little yellow circle on the map 883 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,000 that's going to move around so over here 884 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,230 is the Bible Street 885 00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:13,040 entrance there's um a few former 886 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:17,400 driveways which are paved with asphalt 887 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,200 um and there's stone dust Paving along 888 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,240 the dam and then the remainder of the 889 00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:26,440 site is access 890 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,480 by informal packed Earth uh hiking 891 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,200 trails there's one place where there's a 892 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,960 wooden Boardwalk crossing a wetland in 893 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,800 the north crossing over Brothers Brook 894 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,079 and there's a little bit of directional 895 00:45:39,079 --> 00:45:42,280 signage throughout the park not a ton 896 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,480 there's um some Blaze Trails so a bit of 897 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,599 um organization to keep people oriented 898 00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:52,440 while while walking here there's a rest 899 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,319 one restroom not far from the parking 900 00:45:55,319 --> 00:45:57,880 area 901 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,720 this is that Folly that CC was telling 902 00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:02,520 us about constructed back during the 903 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:03,839 Great EST States 904 00:46:03,839 --> 00:46:05,920 era these are basically decorative 905 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,040 structures built to make the landscape 906 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,400 look almost more historic than it was at 907 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,559 the time but now even the Great Mansion 908 00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:15,069 is a 909 00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:17,359 Folly this is the dam this is kind of 910 00:46:17,359 --> 00:46:19,520 one of the most of the sit's forested 911 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,839 the dam is the place where it opens up 912 00:46:21,839 --> 00:46:25,480 to to a wider Vista um you get out into 913 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:26,480 the sun 914 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,000 spend time by the 915 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:33,920 water the um house up on the west side 916 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,040 of the pond was a more modern house that 917 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,559 was um occupied I think by the the 918 00:46:39,559 --> 00:46:41,839 pomerans family and when the town 919 00:46:41,839 --> 00:46:44,440 acquired this property in 2001 part of 920 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,119 the um recommendations that the 921 00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:49,640 committee put together were to find a 922 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,240 nonprofit who could uh lease this house 923 00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:55,200 that wouldn't be incompatible with the 924 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,040 rest of the property prop use as a park 925 00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,480 so there's a a nonprofit abelis is a 926 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,640 organization that assists people living 927 00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:05,119 with disabilities and they there's uh 928 00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:07,359 people who live here and uh stay here 929 00:47:07,359 --> 00:47:10,240 during the day and it's um compatible it 930 00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:14,520 seems to be compatible with the uses of the site and it's a good use for that 931 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,880 house so that that part's a little bit 932 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,400 off limits to the public um the so on 933 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,400 the other side across from that from the 934 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,079 pond is this Sunken Garden back from SE 935 00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:29,640 era which has no special attention 936 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,760 brought to it it's off of one of the 937 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,960 formalized trails you just sort of 938 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,440 stumble upon it if you're walking um a 939 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,359 little bit off Trail but it's kind of an 940 00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:41,000 interesting place with its retaining 941 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,400 walls and it's terracing uh despite 942 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,760 overgrowth it still kind of reads like a 943 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,280 garden whereas up on top of the hill the 944 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,760 windy ghoul Mansion ruins have been 945 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:56,680 purposely curated by the town uh um The 946 00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,040 Mansion was becoming dilapidated and 947 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,480 posed a lot of risks and um was falling 948 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,760 into disrepair so it was decided I think 949 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,520 it was back in 2014 to selectively 950 00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,319 demolish the house but leave the rugged 951 00:48:10,319 --> 00:48:12,839 intact Stone first floor so now it it 952 00:48:12,839 --> 00:48:16,200 provides this kind of interesting ruin 953 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,520 that is surrounded by a mowed lawn up on 954 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,440 the top of the hill that really centers 955 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:22,800 the site's history kind of in the middle 956 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,880 of the park and flanking it are a couple 957 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,839 of overlooks to the East and to the West 958 00:48:27,839 --> 00:48:30,400 which um at times can be overgrown with 959 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,829 vegetation that kind of blocks the 960 00:48:33,839 --> 00:48:37,520 views there's a boardwalk that um spans 961 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,920 between the two hilltops at sedan's 962 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:40,960 former 963 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:48,520 mansion and this leads over one of the paths down in the woods over to the 964 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,640 um former swimming pool of windy ghoul 965 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,799 which has since been filled in but its 966 00:48:53,799 --> 00:48:57,079 Stone Terraces and stairs are still 967 00:48:57,079 --> 00:49:00,160 there semi intact in the woods overgrown 968 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,280 with invasive Vines and Plants and 969 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,079 Things there's a lot of cor we'll talk 970 00:49:05,079 --> 00:49:05,960 about this in a moment a lot of 971 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,960 residential garden plants that sort of 972 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,640 became established in the woods because 973 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,040 of its history as a overgrown you know 974 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,240 former Mansion site there's this 975 00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:17,160 interesting feature down here associated 976 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,280 with Wy ghoul The Root Cellar on the 977 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,000 hillside coming down from Windy ghoul 978 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,680 down in the woods and that's just you 979 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,640 can walk right into it it's just kind of 980 00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,480 left in an unaltered State a bit of 981 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,119 graffiti in there 982 00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:34,000 today um and cor is going to talk a bit 983 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,079 about the existing ecological conditions 984 00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:37,440 on the 985 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:42,839 site hello okay uh so yeah as Dan 986 00:49:42,839 --> 00:49:45,280 mentioned uh a site visit was conducted 987 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,040 in early September that focused on 988 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,960 reviewing the ecological details 989 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,280 characteristics of the park the map on 990 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,880 screen was put together based on these 991 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,480 characteristics that we observed um most 992 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,000 of these characteristics are influenced 993 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,319 namely from geography much of this park 994 00:50:03,319 --> 00:50:07,640 is either high and Rocky or wet and low 995 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,200 and that therefore then influences what 996 00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,160 vegetation you have growing throughout 997 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:17,710 the park um over story and under story 998 00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:21,000 vegetation um so much of the vegetation 999 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,160 that we observed on site is fairly 1000 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,680 typical of a southern New England Forest 1001 00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,000 a lot of the dominant trees included 1002 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,720 American Beach Red Oak red maple Norway 1003 00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:35,720 maple which is invasive um but uh one 1004 00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:38,680 big characteristic is the tulip trees we 1005 00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,960 um we observed quite a few um large 1006 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:48,160 tulip stands on the property um tulip poplar it's the same species with 1007 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,240 different names um is has quite a large 1008 00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:55,599 range um but if you're looking at just 1009 00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:57,640 New England it's mostly concentrated in 1010 00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,760 Southern New England so Connecticut 1011 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,880 Massachusetts Rhode Island so it's 1012 00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:08,510 fairly um it's more common in our lower 1013 00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,880 States um another feature that we were 1014 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,839 looking for was Wetlands um before going 1015 00:51:13,839 --> 00:51:16,400 out to the site we were um we conducted 1016 00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,079 desktop surveys to kind of see where 1017 00:51:19,079 --> 00:51:21,599 Wetlands had been formally mapped 1018 00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:24,480 looking at hydric soils and then going 1019 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,400 out to those parts of the park and 1020 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,599 seeing if the desktop survey was 1021 00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:32,680 confirmed um by on-site 1022 00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:36,119 investigations um no formal delineations 1023 00:51:36,119 --> 00:51:38,920 were conducted it was mostly kind of 1024 00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,400 just observ quick quick observations of 1025 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,079 soil and looking at signs of um 1026 00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:46,319 hydrology and Wetland 1027 00:51:46,319 --> 00:51:48,720 vegetation um these are some examples 1028 00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:52,240 the lawn behind the um restrooms near 1029 00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:54,920 the main parking area is a notable wet 1030 00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,160 area there's also areas along trails 1031 00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:58,960 that are quite notable we found some 1032 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,240 areas that had not been formerly mapped 1033 00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:03,599 that appeared to be additional Wetlands 1034 00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:06,040 on property as 1035 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,200 well um another feature that people are 1036 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:10,480 probably familiar with if you've been to 1037 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,400 the park is the meadow there's a trail 1038 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,520 that leads from The Root Cellar up and 1039 00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,480 around the meadow um Meadows are could 1040 00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:23,079 be a Meadows are a fairly unique habitat 1041 00:52:23,079 --> 00:52:25,640 um typically when you find a meadow you 1042 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,960 develop it because it's flat and it's 1043 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,119 there's not much to get rid of but 1044 00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:33,599 Meadows also make for important habitats 1045 00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:36,119 not just pollinators but also a lot of 1046 00:52:36,119 --> 00:52:38,960 native birds will um use Meadows for 1047 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,440 nesting and for cover habitat um there 1048 00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,160 are we found evidence of what look to be 1049 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,480 quite a few invasives in the meadow I'll 1050 00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,440 get deeper into invasives in a later 1051 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,000 slide but and also what looks to be 1052 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,440 evidence of encroachment from trees that 1053 00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,400 are encroaching on the meadow from the 1054 00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,160 sides and also trees and invasives that 1055 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,680 are growing up um within the meadow 1056 00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,280 itself but that is typical um it's 1057 00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,880 common for habitats to shift and change 1058 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,359 typically if you want to keep a meadow a 1059 00:53:10,359 --> 00:53:11,599 meadow that means you would need to 1060 00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:14,630 maintain it as a 1061 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,480 meadow and here we are sorry um 1062 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,400 invasives everyone's favorite topic um 1063 00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,240 as Dan mentioned before um with the 1064 00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:27,000 previous history of the site being 1065 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,760 homesteads being um uh big Estates it's 1066 00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,920 common to have invasives sites with a 1067 00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,040 lot of previous disturbance it's easy 1068 00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,839 for invasives to establish themselves a 1069 00:53:37,839 --> 00:53:39,960 lot of these many of you here are 1070 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:41,440 probably familiar with youve probably 1071 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,520 seen them in your own backyards tree of 1072 00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,240 Heaven is a common one um Japanese 1073 00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:50,359 Barberry is a very common one um spotter 1074 00:53:50,359 --> 00:53:51,960 Lantern fly has gotten a lot of 1075 00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,680 attention in recent years uh Beach Leaf 1076 00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,319 Disease is becoming a growing problem in 1077 00:53:57,319 --> 00:53:59,160 Connecticut and much of the rest of the 1078 00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,079 country um Japanese silk um Japanese 1079 00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:04,960 silk grass many of the invasives that we 1080 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,200 observe though were mostly concentrated 1081 00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,400 along the trail edges rather than within 1082 00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,040 the park interior that does make sense 1083 00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,119 where you have most of the activity most 1084 00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:17,880 of the movement of people it's easier 1085 00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,119 for invasives to establish and move 1086 00:54:20,119 --> 00:54:24,079 around with AIDS with the AIDS of 1087 00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:29,630 um people moving 1088 00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,319 around so to start to summarize all of 1089 00:54:33,319 --> 00:54:34,599 the the background information that we 1090 00:54:34,599 --> 00:54:35,839 were looking into we're going to talk 1091 00:54:35,839 --> 00:54:39,319 about challenges and opportunities at at 1092 00:54:39,319 --> 00:54:42,520 this unique site so cor was just talking 1093 00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,680 about in invasive uh you know plant 1094 00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,880 diseases invasive plant 1095 00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,880 species um in addition to some of the 1096 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,880 ones cor mentioned there's um you know 1097 00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,640 jumping worms or a newcomer to the area 1098 00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,680 that affects the soil there's there's a 1099 00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,400 host of of challenges that that are 1100 00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,440 typical to a large property like 1101 00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,400 this um there's impacts of foot traffic 1102 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,880 on Trails which is ongoing we talked 1103 00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,880 about that at the beginning one of the 1104 00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,319 slides cor shared shows where you have 1105 00:55:15,319 --> 00:55:18,280 ponding in a trail people tend to walk 1106 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,119 around it to avoid that and then that 1107 00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:25,039 causes the trail to get wider and wider so that gets into you know m 1108 00:55:25,039 --> 00:55:27,119 maintenance and uh planning of where 1109 00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:30,680 Trails go it's a one one of the great 1110 00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,280 uses of the park is it's well used for 1111 00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,000 walking dogs but with that comes um the 1112 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,839 need to pick up dog waste and that 1113 00:55:37,839 --> 00:55:42,079 that's often cited as a challenge um and 1114 00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:43,680 then just general ongoing maintenance of 1115 00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,960 trails trees and structures on the site 1116 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,119 so some some images of some of those 1117 00:55:50,119 --> 00:55:53,200 challenges uh Trail erosion is a common 1118 00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,559 one again not unique to this site but 1119 00:55:55,559 --> 00:55:58,440 this site has you know a few instances 1120 00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,079 where the clear space where foot traffic 1121 00:56:01,079 --> 00:56:03,039 goes is also where water flows as it 1122 00:56:03,039 --> 00:56:04,920 makes its way downhill and that scourers 1123 00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,829 and causes 1124 00:56:07,839 --> 00:56:10,319 damage and of course there's loads of 1125 00:56:10,319 --> 00:56:14,200 opportunities for a site as unique as 1126 00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:18,119 this as we've been over it's not just a 1127 00:56:18,119 --> 00:56:20,160 woodland it's a woodland that's full of 1128 00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,599 uh remnants of greenwich's 1129 00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:25,680 History there's 1130 00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,799 a diverse Forest composition mix of 1131 00:56:28,799 --> 00:56:31,440 species there's Scenic diverse 1132 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,799 Landscapes it it's a very interesting 1133 00:56:33,799 --> 00:56:35,000 place to walk 1134 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,760 through for that reason um including 1135 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,480 Meadow the meadow itself has the 1136 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,400 potential for enhancement as as a 1137 00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,920 pollinator habitat it serves that role 1138 00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,440 already but there's there's further 1139 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:47,720 opportunity 1140 00:56:47,720 --> 00:56:53,480 there um thinking larger in scale the site's walking distance from a lot 1141 00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,640 of people's homes it's connected to the 1142 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,520 neighborhood and the other neighborhood 1143 00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,599 parks there could be potential for 1144 00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:02,480 additional signage whether that's 1145 00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,960 historic ecological educational trail 1146 00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,799 maps this gets into the the content of 1147 00:57:08,799 --> 00:57:10,920 what we'll 1148 00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,839 discuss um the rest the rest of the the 1149 00:57:13,839 --> 00:57:16,920 evening so what we're planning to do is 1150 00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,400 we'll turn it around to all of you and 1151 00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,400 we'll um spend some time together um 1152 00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,680 having some kind of question an answer 1153 00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,680 discussion time it's open-ended you know 1154 00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,480 we haven't started drafting 1155 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,880 recommendations for this plan yet but um 1156 00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,520 the goal as I think you can probably 1157 00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,119 tell from the presentation so far is 1158 00:57:38,119 --> 00:57:40,359 we're not trying to reinvent the wheel 1159 00:57:40,359 --> 00:57:42,400 here with the Palmer and tuckman site I 1160 00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:47,079 think we probably all agree that it's well used uh as a site for Passive 1161 00:57:47,079 --> 00:57:48,839 Recreation and provides a valuable 1162 00:57:48,839 --> 00:57:51,000 resource and the goal is probably 1163 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,319 finding out how to Steward it and 1164 00:57:53,319 --> 00:57:56,079 protect it so it can Contin continue to 1165 00:57:56,079 --> 00:57:58,000 serve as that resource that seems to be 1166 00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:02,510 so well 1167 00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:06,119 valued so that's yeah so we'll just open 1168 00:58:06,119 --> 00:58:07,960 it up and I'm just for the sake of 1169 00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:09,960 anybody who's watching on Zoom because 1170 00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:11,039 this is being 1171 00:58:11,039 --> 00:58:13,440 recorded um since you all don't have 1172 00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,240 microphones as a formality I'm going to 1173 00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:16,839 do my best to repeat the questions that 1174 00:58:16,839 --> 00:58:23,710 you each say go 1175 00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:40,029 ahead 1176 00:58:40,039 --> 00:58:41,680 maybe on Greg do you want to speak to 1177 00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,359 that the question was um what is the 1178 00:58:43,359 --> 00:58:46,200 status of current maintenance at the 1179 00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,039 park yes so the current maintenance is 1180 00:58:49,039 --> 00:58:51,720 we're as a department parks department 1181 00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:55,280 and with volunteer groups are removing 1182 00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,119 invasives uh planting native trees and 1183 00:58:58,119 --> 00:59:00,559 plants and shrubs and perennials working 1184 00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:04,000 in the meadow so there is work being 1185 00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,680 done but we're looking for this project 1186 00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,559 and this master plan to cohes ofy all 1187 00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:14,240 the work and and and set some priorities 1188 00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,480 and sort of you know produce the road 1189 00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,039 map to achieve all the goals we're doing 1190 00:59:19,039 --> 00:59:21,400 now and other goals as well so there is 1191 00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:22,680 maintenance and work happening in the 1192 00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:24,319 park but we're looking for this to 1193 00:59:24,319 --> 00:59:25,160 really 1194 00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,440 highlight what it is we want to do and 1195 00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:32,160 collectively and but also um you know 1196 00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:37,359 maybe even help set some timelines and also you know request extra funding 1197 00:59:37,359 --> 00:59:40,079 or capital projects or you know maybe go 1198 00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:43,559 for Grants to help support some of these projects as we have them spelled 1199 00:59:43,559 --> 00:59:46,710 out in the master 1200 00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,440 plan go 1201 00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,200 ahead my 1202 00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:51,880 name 1203 00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:58,789 and I want say that we up this 1204 00:59:58,799 --> 01:00:02,160 place I mean minimum we want to see it 1205 01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,160 maintained maintain really well this 1206 01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,880 year I don't know what happened but all 1207 01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,280 these trees are growing usually they 1208 01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,359 andow the hill all these trees are 1209 01:00:13,359 --> 01:00:17,680 growing all those um but my main concern 1210 01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,880 was you know in your letter you said 1211 01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,200 we're concerned about traffic and 1212 01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,039 eological 1213 01:00:25,039 --> 01:00:28,359 degradation and yet some of the ideas in 1214 01:00:28,359 --> 01:00:30,839 the survey would only 1215 01:00:30,839 --> 01:00:37,150 increase bike trails 1216 01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,839 dog Recreation these are things that I 1217 01:00:40,839 --> 01:00:47,190 totally against 1218 01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:53,510 idea I know 1219 01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:59,230 my thank 1220 01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,240 you I'm going to assume that the 1221 01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,079 Applause generally signifies 1222 01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:06,319 agreement um just for the sake of those 1223 01:01:06,319 --> 01:01:08,680 who couldn't hear um the the comment was 1224 01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:10,480 we love the park the way it is it's 1225 01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,160 valuable resource and some of the um 1226 01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,640 options that were floated in the online 1227 01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:20,280 survey including bike paths dog parks 1228 01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,280 represent too high a level of active 1229 01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,000 Recreation and we want to maintain that 1230 01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,960 passive use that it currently has and 1231 01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,599 the focus in that case would be keeping 1232 01:01:31,599 --> 01:01:33,680 up with what we already love making sure 1233 01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:37,319 it can continue to to offer essentially 1234 01:01:37,319 --> 01:01:42,750 the same program it currently 1235 01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,920 does note down the 1236 01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,720 Applause 1237 01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,760 yes hi my name is Art Shermer I'm living 1238 01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:53,440 in the area 1239 01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:58,559 for about 18 years I spent time there at 1240 01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:01,440 least two three times a week I love this 1241 01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:04,480 area it's a major reason I actually both 1242 01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:08,480 brage I'm a very active person I do like 1243 01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,000 bicycling and so on but I am in 1244 01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,720 agreement this is an oasis the quiet 1245 01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,760 areas of whatever bicycling or something 1246 01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,799 like that is okay but it has to be a 1247 01:02:19,799 --> 01:02:22,920 separated clear area because hiking dogs 1248 01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:24,920 scrollers and bicycles 1249 01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,960 you can have like disorder and so on so 1250 01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,200 this is certainly something to wrestle 1251 01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:33,520 with right um I would encourage you to 1252 01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,279 think winter and summertime I don't 1253 01:02:36,279 --> 01:02:38,720 quite understand why you cannot have a 1254 01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:40,799 skating rink or something like that 1255 01:02:40,799 --> 01:02:43,200 because we don't have enough skating in 1256 01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,799 greenage snowshoeing is wonderful in 1257 01:02:45,799 --> 01:02:49,200 Winter an observation I have is the 1258 01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,480 trail sign isues are not very good 1259 01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:54,000 there's no distances so somebody doesn't 1260 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:54,960 know 1261 01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,039 one mile Gentle Family Walk Five Mile 1262 01:02:58,039 --> 01:03:01,079 more sporty type of Trail it goes a bit 1263 01:03:01,079 --> 01:03:03,640 to a bigger point the town of Greenwich 1264 01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,760 somehow is not capable of doing a mobile 1265 01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,960 app that would have a map because if we 1266 01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,720 didn't it all together right we could 1267 01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,760 get this on our devices then we don't 1268 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,920 need to do so much signage because we 1269 01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,599 can bring it along I am for signage in 1270 01:03:20,599 --> 01:03:22,680 the park particularly if you have out of 1271 01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:24,839 town visitors that are not familiar the 1272 01:03:24,839 --> 01:03:28,079 area and so on that could help I would 1273 01:03:28,079 --> 01:03:31,359 ask you as our consultants and so on to 1274 01:03:31,359 --> 01:03:32,720 consider a few 1275 01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,359 things I'd like to really understand who 1276 01:03:35,359 --> 01:03:38,359 uses that Park the most suspect it's 1277 01:03:38,359 --> 01:03:41,279 very nearby I see a lot of FO traffic 1278 01:03:41,279 --> 01:03:43,720 there's not really so so many cars most 1279 01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:47,000 cars have Conneticut plates cob is a 1280 01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,599 large part of brage unfortunately it 1281 01:03:49,599 --> 01:03:51,640 does not have an active current 1282 01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,520 neighborhood association which is a 1283 01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:54,960 disadvantage 1284 01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:56,440 I don't know whether there's the friends 1285 01:03:56,440 --> 01:04:00,119 of pman and park but I would encourage 1286 01:04:00,119 --> 01:04:02,520 you to seek a little bit like who is 1287 01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:04,839 involved we have various Representatives 1288 01:04:04,839 --> 01:04:08,480 here from tree conver Conservancy byro 1289 01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,480 you represent sustainability committee 1290 01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:13,000 and some others so there's a lot of 1291 01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,680 expertise in in this room I do have a 1292 01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:20,839 crazy Visionary type of idea we have a 1293 01:04:20,839 --> 01:04:23,200 water water flow problem in 1294 01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,319 Greenwich and I'd like to see something 1295 01:04:26,319 --> 01:04:28,920 like small Lake whichever we're want to 1296 01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:33,000 call it Omar because we need to redirect 1297 01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,279 water we have water issues everywhere 1298 01:04:36,279 --> 01:04:40,359 ppw has looked left and right Mr Kramer 1299 01:04:40,359 --> 01:04:43,200 it's not easy we have huge challenges 1300 01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,880 but we cannot defer into the 1301 01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:49,079 future there is a possibility to have 1302 01:04:49,079 --> 01:04:51,559 some sort of a drought Reserve to do 1303 01:04:51,559 --> 01:04:54,319 this in an aesthetical way with nice 1304 01:04:54,319 --> 01:04:56,680 daming or walking things and so on so 1305 01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:59,400 that peacefulness can be preserved but 1306 01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,119 we need to deal better with water too 1307 01:05:02,119 --> 01:05:04,240 complicated to expensive is not an 1308 01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:07,200 answer we need to make progress and 1309 01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,240 think differently doesn't have to be 1310 01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:12,359 pumps and pipes maybe it could be a 1311 01:05:12,359 --> 01:05:15,680 beautiful Aqueduct or something so let's 1312 01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:18,599 also think about the water issues around 1313 01:05:18,599 --> 01:05:22,520 please and the other thing is I don't 1314 01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,640 see too many people in here sorry I'm 63 1315 01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:29,480 years old I'm an old fart okay but I 1316 01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,920 don't see too many families with pits 1317 01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,400 here people's in their 20 and 30 we have 1318 01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,839 a lot of newcomers to town especially in 1319 01:05:36,839 --> 01:05:40,119 cost please do a Saturday morning 1320 01:05:40,119 --> 01:05:42,880 meeting at the costop library where the 1321 01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,160 families with the strollers and the dogs 1322 01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:48,359 can come by please spend the extra time 1323 01:05:48,359 --> 01:05:50,960 to come and seek for feedback thank you 1324 01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:52,359 so much for your work I really 1325 01:05:52,359 --> 01:05:58,029 appreciate it thank you 1326 01:05:58,039 --> 01:06:00,039 uh and once again I'll I'll respond to a 1327 01:06:00,039 --> 01:06:02,160 few of those things um assuming not 1328 01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,160 everyone who would listen in later hears 1329 01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:05,839 uh the comments 1330 01:06:05,839 --> 01:06:09,039 included um when multi-season 1331 01:06:09,039 --> 01:06:11,559 opportunities uh should be looked at uh 1332 01:06:11,559 --> 01:06:14,400 potentially skating um Trail signage 1333 01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:15,880 There's an opportunity there a Mobile 1334 01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:17,799 app could help greatly with that to 1335 01:06:17,799 --> 01:06:19,440 further enhanced 1336 01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,039 signage um more involvement in the 1337 01:06:22,039 --> 01:06:24,160 neighborhood could help though there is 1338 01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,160 the friends of uh the park organization 1339 01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:30,400 already the water flow problem um there was a study done who was the 1340 01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,319 consultant um there was a study done a 1341 01:06:32,319 --> 01:06:34,039 few years ago that looked at possible 1342 01:06:34,039 --> 01:06:36,160 sites in Greenwich for for flood 1343 01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,480 mitigation and this they did a chapter 1344 01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:39,680 on on this site looking into the 1345 01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,960 feasibility of that no progress there's 1346 01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:44,640 been no progress since it you say need 1347 01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:46,359 to continue to work that their 1348 01:06:46,359 --> 01:06:48,400 recommendations were very very general I 1349 01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:49,599 looked through it and it didn't really 1350 01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:51,160 say here's what you would engineer 1351 01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:53,440 here's what you would do it was kind of 1352 01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,440 okay for further study I don't want to 1353 01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,400 speak too much but it all leads to no 1354 01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:02,240 action which is not acceptable it's 1355 01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:05,440 2023 yeah so we'll we'll we'll note that 1356 01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:09,960 down um and then yeah further public 1357 01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:13,520 Outreach for this project I think that is a great suggestion any 1358 01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:15,520 strategies to reach the broadest 1359 01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,000 audience possible a Saturday morning 1360 01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:18,960 meeting at the library could be a good 1361 01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,400 idea for the next meeting so we still 1362 01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:24,720 have to plan that one yes go ahead 1363 01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,279 hi my name is Lindsay and I'm the 1364 01:07:27,279 --> 01:07:31,000 director of the CER and very much wanted 1365 01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:34,039 to thank you all this process and this 1366 01:07:34,039 --> 01:07:37,789 meeting and 1367 01:07:37,799 --> 01:07:41,839 having um obviously the pum and the 1368 01:07:41,839 --> 01:07:45,839 comand properties are backyard the home 1369 01:07:45,839 --> 01:07:49,279 for the grenwich Botanical center and 1370 01:07:49,279 --> 01:07:51,760 point we also don't want to see much 1371 01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:57,599 change and that is primarily because he it is a laboratory for we are 1372 01:07:57,599 --> 01:08:01,799 able to reach many many children we have 1373 01:08:01,799 --> 01:08:04,520 uh we're in sh experience for the all 1374 01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:07,160 entire third grade BR Public Schools we 1375 01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:09,799 also do many field for the first grade 1376 01:08:09,799 --> 01:08:11,279 and we're reaching out to many other 1377 01:08:11,279 --> 01:08:14,079 schools to offer our property and 1378 01:08:14,079 --> 01:08:16,880 programs um to the school to learn 1379 01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:22,159 abouty dant caty water Etc we also have 1380 01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:24,880 onsite programming for uh for children 1381 01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:29,440 and nature Emer program called Forest so 1382 01:08:29,440 --> 01:08:31,839 the fact that this amazing Place offers 1383 01:08:31,839 --> 01:08:33,839 an environment in which to do all of 1384 01:08:33,839 --> 01:08:36,440 those things and reach the families and 1385 01:08:36,440 --> 01:08:42,679 the children and our communi is hugely valuable so um I'm just going to 1386 01:08:42,679 --> 01:08:45,359 put that plug in and we would also very 1387 01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:48,400 much be happy to host a meeting atan 1388 01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,440 Center and I would also be very happy to 1389 01:08:50,440 --> 01:08:53,480 Rally all of our families in support of 1390 01:08:53,480 --> 01:08:58,669 uh the vision for 1391 01:08:58,679 --> 01:09:00,050 the thank 1392 01:09:00,050 --> 01:09:02,359 [Applause] 1393 01:09:02,359 --> 01:09:07,040 you yeah yep uh guys we do apologize we 1394 01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:08,600 uh were supposed to have the mobile 1395 01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,279 microphone for the podium we did not 1396 01:09:10,279 --> 01:09:12,520 have that set up but um we do want to 1397 01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,080 hear your comments we want to capture it 1398 01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:16,000 accurately so one of our thoughts is we 1399 01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,319 have that far right microphone next to 1400 01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:20,799 uh Dr Kramer over there we could turn 1401 01:09:20,799 --> 01:09:22,239 that microphone on if you guys feel 1402 01:09:22,239 --> 01:09:23,799 comfortable speaking directly in there 1403 01:09:23,799 --> 01:09:26,040 so we can have everybody on zoom and on 1404 01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:27,679 the recording hear your comments because 1405 01:09:27,679 --> 01:09:29,319 we just want to make sure that we 1406 01:09:29,319 --> 01:09:32,000 accurately uh present that so if that's 1407 01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:33,880 uh comfortable with you guys we can get 1408 01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:35,679 that set up over on the far right uh 1409 01:09:35,679 --> 01:09:38,120 side of the microphone right 1410 01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:44,239 there all right thank you yeah don't be afraid to step up to the 1411 01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:52,709 microphone go 1412 01:09:52,719 --> 01:09:58,750 ahead 1413 01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:16,189 yeah well I I can recap it too if you 1414 01:10:16,199 --> 01:10:21,719 yeah yeah there there seems to be 1415 01:10:21,719 --> 01:10:24,360 agreement I mean the comment was that 1416 01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:27,320 uh dog walking is currently a highly 1417 01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:30,360 valued use of the park and for any uh 1418 01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:32,199 plan going forward to continue to 1419 01:10:32,199 --> 01:10:35,280 include that and and not further limit 1420 01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:39,040 um walking dogs on the 1421 01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:40,760 Park 1422 01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:45,950 goe stat from 1423 01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:52,630 first says over years AG when 1424 01:10:52,640 --> 01:11:11,950 I 1425 01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,199 went thank you so that was that was a 1426 01:11:14,199 --> 01:11:16,880 pilot program that allowed dogs where 1427 01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:18,719 exactly I didn't I just didn't catch 1428 01:11:18,719 --> 01:11:21,560 that part I didn't hear you sorry 1429 01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:25,640 um just that there was a pilot plan when 1430 01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:29,760 he was on years ago because there 1431 01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:31,960 was in 1432 01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:37,470 and program and never 1433 01:11:37,480 --> 01:11:40,159 Chang oh I see I see so basically the 1434 01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:42,000 use of the park today which does allow 1435 01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,560 walking dogs on the park was piloted 20 1436 01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:46,880 years ago that was considered successful 1437 01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:48,199 and then it has never changed it was 1438 01:11:48,199 --> 01:11:50,480 basically it was 1439 01:11:50,480 --> 01:11:52,560 instituted 1440 01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:54,080 okay 1441 01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:56,719 it's 1442 01:11:56,719 --> 01:11:59,320 thank yes 1443 01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:03,360 thanks I saw this hand first I think my 1444 01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:06,159 name is Tom kill I love thank you for 1445 01:12:06,159 --> 01:12:07,880 what you've done so 1446 01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:11,639 faral way it is CC I appreciated your 1447 01:12:11,639 --> 01:12:13,600 history and I think that the one thing 1448 01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:16,760 that I would love to see is that on the 1449 01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:19,440 in the hill on the hill at the sou part 1450 01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:21,719 of the park you can see the the house 1451 01:12:21,719 --> 01:12:25,480 where bar talk yeah right there like a 1452 01:12:25,480 --> 01:12:28,199 going up just barely see it I would love 1453 01:12:28,199 --> 01:12:30,719 there to be some sort 1454 01:12:30,719 --> 01:12:34,080 of really remarkable that this woman in 1455 01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:36,360 the woods of kasav wrote books that 1456 01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,520 arguably 1457 01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,639 Sol is just amazing and I just feel like 1458 01:12:41,639 --> 01:12:44,480 it's not recognized at all I always tell 1459 01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:49,080 people when I'm there like that be black 1460 01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:51,000 well it's not actually on the property 1461 01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:52,960 you can just see it so you see it on the 1462 01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:56,750 yeah it's on the 1463 01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:05,270 that that's that's exactly it 1464 01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:08,560 yeah yeah so the the the comment uh was 1465 01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,000 the writer Cottage where Barbara tuckman 1466 01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:16,440 wrote her famous books should be should attention be brought to it 1467 01:13:16,440 --> 01:13:19,199 currently that structure is just off the 1468 01:13:19,199 --> 01:13:22,120 town-owned property it's located on the 1469 01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:24,880 privately owned parcel of one of Barbara 1470 01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:26,880 tuckman's daughters who still lives on 1471 01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:31,719 the property so um I guess all I can 1472 01:13:31,719 --> 01:13:33,760 really say is just currently it's not 1473 01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:39,440 owned or controlled by by the town and I suppose um any sort 1474 01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:42,040 of point out it's up there you wouldn't 1475 01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:44,360 even know 1476 01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:46,719 that yeah you know and I agree it's a 1477 01:13:46,719 --> 01:13:48,480 fascinating structure and I think that 1478 01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:49,480 it would it would have to be done in 1479 01:13:49,480 --> 01:13:51,440 coordination with the person who owns 1480 01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:53,320 that land to make sure it was done 1481 01:13:53,320 --> 01:14:16,350 appropriately if if so go 1482 01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:19,159 ahead so the the the comment was that 1483 01:14:19,159 --> 01:14:21,800 the the owner of that property has um 1484 01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:24,159 had to struggle with vandalism an upkeep 1485 01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:25,520 of that structure in the past and we 1486 01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:26,800 want to make sure we're being the best 1487 01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:27,880 neighbor 1488 01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:29,880 possible you raised your hand a while 1489 01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:42,709 ago I 1490 01:14:42,719 --> 01:14:44,560 thinks 1491 01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:49,149 another I've 1492 01:14:49,159 --> 01:15:11,070 been there any fall off 1493 01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:16,360 um thank you for that comment yeah the comment was um first additional 1494 01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:18,080 support of walking dogs on the property 1495 01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:20,800 and secondly attention to the raised 1496 01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:24,400 Boardwalk that has gaps in between the 1497 01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:25,840 rails that are probably out of 1498 01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:27,719 Regulation and should be addressed as 1499 01:15:27,719 --> 01:15:32,629 soon as possible to for 1500 01:15:32,639 --> 01:15:35,440 safety go 1501 01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:37,679 ahead yes please yeah that that'd be 1502 01:15:37,679 --> 01:15:40,600 great yeah go to the far right one just 1503 01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:47,669 because we have the zoom here I don't 1504 01:15:47,679 --> 01:15:50,440 want so good evening folks uh my name is 1505 01:15:50,440 --> 01:15:54,159 James hello oh okay good evening folks 1506 01:15:54,159 --> 01:15:56,639 um just wanted to say as maybe one of 1507 01:15:56,639 --> 01:15:59,239 the younger family oriented individuals 1508 01:15:59,239 --> 01:16:01,159 in the room here uh so we have two young 1509 01:16:01,159 --> 01:16:03,560 daughters um we're we're a dog loving 1510 01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:07,360 family we use this park a lot and um the 1511 01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:10,800 survey concerned me just uh you know 1512 01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:12,080 kind of some of the questions and how 1513 01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:14,239 they were asked so so a few things I 1514 01:16:14,239 --> 01:16:16,639 want to get out there one I think really 1515 01:16:16,639 --> 01:16:19,000 all the park needs is some TLC right you 1516 01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:22,760 need better signage um you need uh you 1517 01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:25,120 know directional signage Maps be it 1518 01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:28,800 online or print um you know maybe a you 1519 01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:32,120 know when you enter you also need I 1520 01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:34,600 think one of the things that was a big 1521 01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:36,800 worry was the whole parking um I think 1522 01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,880 the parking is fine as it is uh you know 1523 01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:41,639 maybe better advertising that you can 1524 01:16:41,639 --> 01:16:43,400 park on Bible Street you know in the 1525 01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:45,440 large parking lot there I feel like 1526 01:16:45,440 --> 01:16:47,000 that's kind of a back entrance to the 1527 01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,440 park that many don't know of as an 1528 01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:54,600 option of parking um unless you're really uh you know in the weeds 1529 01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:56,840 in the area to say but um you know 1530 01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,480 besides Trail maintenance uh you know 1531 01:16:59,480 --> 01:17:01,159 and and mowing the meadow now and again 1532 01:17:01,159 --> 01:17:03,840 to kind of keep it and also preserving 1533 01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:05,960 those historic structures you talked 1534 01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:08,400 about right to to young kids that's it's 1535 01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:11,480 a Whimsical area you know I think one of 1536 01:17:11,480 --> 01:17:12,760 the questions talked about getting rid 1537 01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:14,440 of the bridge right that bridge is kind 1538 01:17:14,440 --> 01:17:16,440 of phenomenal when you're a young kid 1539 01:17:16,440 --> 01:17:18,280 you can go over run around come down and 1540 01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:20,360 underneath it right and uh the the 1541 01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:22,280 little Stone House that you guys had up 1542 01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:24,960 in your slid before I think these are 1543 01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,000 all things that make this property 1544 01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:29,679 unique um you know to families to 1545 01:17:29,679 --> 01:17:32,480 Children um and it's also uh just great 1546 01:17:32,480 --> 01:17:34,600 to get out there and walk with your dog 1547 01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,400 right um and I see dogs using the park 1548 01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:39,960 all the time uh you know winter spring 1549 01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,400 summer and fall so I would ask please no 1550 01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:45,080 additional pavement um in the park right 1551 01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:48,080 no additional parking spaces um I I 1552 01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:50,280 think we're we're kind of good good 1553 01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:52,719 there um but you know just just maintain 1554 01:17:52,719 --> 01:17:55,080 it right right give it that TLC it needs 1555 01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:57,679 give it the better signage um uh so 1556 01:17:57,679 --> 01:17:59,760 individuals can enjoy it more maybe a 1557 01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:02,600 historic note or two about uh you know 1558 01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:04,120 more about the park as a whole and the 1559 01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:05,760 property as a whole but it's so well 1560 01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:09,679 connected with ccob um and with the uh 1561 01:18:09,679 --> 01:18:11,480 you know the school next door with the 1562 01:18:11,480 --> 01:18:15,239 garden center um you know next door uh 1563 01:18:15,239 --> 01:18:17,960 that it would be a shame to turn it into 1564 01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,600 a more active use area or to pave it 1565 01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:23,760 over uh with a larger uh parking lot I 1566 01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:25,520 think you know keep it the way it is 1567 01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:28,000 give it some TLC and that'll be it will 1568 01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,400 be a great use you know for generations 1569 01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:40,470 to come thank you thank 1570 01:18:40,480 --> 01:18:43,159 you been walking this park since I was 1571 01:18:43,159 --> 01:18:46,960 seven and over that time I absolutely 1572 01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,719 love that at least one pavement became 1573 01:18:49,719 --> 01:18:53,560 lawn again um so this is a space that 1574 01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:57,920 has been fantastic at being the 1575 01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:00,520 environment and for many of the school 1576 01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:02,960 groups many of the people in this area 1577 01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:06,480 this is the pressure valve forgetting to 1578 01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:10,400 still be in this area uh paper trail 1579 01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:14,040 maps I hike extensively these QR codes 1580 01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:17,239 great there is not cellular reception 1581 01:19:17,239 --> 01:19:20,600 for most of this park I am unofficial 1582 01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:23,480 Lorax guide um you know Trail 1583 01:19:23,480 --> 01:19:26,719 maintenance person I haul as big a thing 1584 01:19:26,719 --> 01:19:30,400 as I can haul off these Trails uh but 1585 01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,080 there are many people who do get turned 1586 01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:34,480 around in the space but these little QR 1587 01:19:34,480 --> 01:19:36,080 codes aren't going to help for this 1588 01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:39,000 particular spot given the geology of 1589 01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,920 this particular spot um unless you're 1590 01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:47,199 way up on the Hills so post storm not 1591 01:19:47,199 --> 01:19:50,920 just volunteer citizen but just the 1592 01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:54,080 trails themselves the existing Trails 1593 01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,159 getting the huge stuff off when the 1594 01:19:56,159 --> 01:19:59,159 trees just fall lengthwise down the 1595 01:19:59,159 --> 01:20:01,199 favorite Trail and it takes years for 1596 01:20:01,199 --> 01:20:05,239 that tree to rot before it's cut up um 1597 01:20:05,239 --> 01:20:07,520 so just the actual trails that people 1598 01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:10,960 want to stay on uh and can't you know 1599 01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,400 just collectively get everything off 1600 01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:15,639 because sometimes you do need Machinery 1601 01:20:15,639 --> 01:20:18,760 to get some of the bigger logs off but 1602 01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:21,000 otherwise echoing what everyone else has 1603 01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:24,679 said is that it is special because it is 1604 01:20:24,679 --> 01:20:32,990 what it currently 1605 01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:35,560 is yes go 1606 01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:49,709 ahead that's okay I'll repeat 1607 01:20:49,719 --> 01:20:51,719 it 1608 01:20:51,719 --> 01:21:21,629 stairs 1609 01:21:21,639 --> 01:21:28,910 then 1610 01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:32,920 thank you the the comments were uh about 1611 01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:35,040 after 1612 01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:38,400 um it was you seeing after storms Fallen 1613 01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:41,199 trees or is that the previous comment 1614 01:21:41,199 --> 01:21:43,480 I'm looking at my notes I apologize the 1615 01:21:43,480 --> 01:21:45,360 fish ladder was the first comment um 1616 01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:46,960 could there be a way for you you know 1617 01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:48,679 where there's a change in elevation in a 1618 01:21:48,679 --> 01:21:50,840 Waterway to have a way for migrating 1619 01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:52,719 fish to come up an elevation with a fish 1620 01:21:52,719 --> 01:21:55,760 lad or eels and the stairs from the 1621 01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:59,480 ruins to um clean those up and make them 1622 01:21:59,480 --> 01:22:02,760 safe and usable and was the program was 1623 01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:04,080 called Forest 1624 01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:06,719 days okay yeah I don't I I haven't 1625 01:22:06,719 --> 01:22:08,239 learned about that 1626 01:22:08,239 --> 01:22:10,560 I they they used to have an awesome um 1627 01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:13,840 teaching area that um the the commenter 1628 01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:18,830 wishes could remain in 1629 01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:23,000 place go ahead hi um I'm s i right on 1630 01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:28,229 the edge so I 1631 01:22:28,239 --> 01:22:32,159 my so but my question is really about me 1632 01:22:32,159 --> 01:22:34,480 because it is a little scary I've been 1633 01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:38,120 um in town for 30 years on the pum and 1634 01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:40,040 every time after the storm it really 1635 01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:42,440 looks different and I do get concerned 1636 01:22:42,440 --> 01:22:44,120 that there are trees that are about to 1637 01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:46,120 fall the trail and you guys have been 1638 01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:48,800 very responsive by email the town and 1639 01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:52,000 people called me where is that spot and 1640 01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:53,280 you found 1641 01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:57,560 but what is the current maintenance 1642 01:22:57,560 --> 01:23:00,360 programs so the question was what is the 1643 01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:02,320 maintenance program in place currently 1644 01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:05,480 with regard to dangerous and Fallen 1645 01:23:05,480 --> 01:23:08,360 trees um in the pum but I assume in the 1646 01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:10,960 pommer and tuckman site as well um maybe 1647 01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:15,000 Greg do you want to answer that sure I can answer that yeah if there's 1648 01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:17,040 something that's precarious or dangerous 1649 01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:19,639 certainly you know send me an email um 1650 01:23:19,639 --> 01:23:21,280 or let staff know and we'll take a look 1651 01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:23,360 at it we don't 1652 01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:26,639 as as a ecological reason go around and 1653 01:23:26,639 --> 01:23:29,480 remove dead trees or snags unless 1654 01:23:29,480 --> 01:23:31,280 they're really close to a trail or or 1655 01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:34,360 seem to be dangerous only because dead 1656 01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:37,520 Deadwood is int it's it's so intricate 1657 01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:40,120 to their survival in the Ecology of the 1658 01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:42,120 woodlands you have various species that 1659 01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:44,719 only live in Deadwood so to remove dead 1660 01:23:44,719 --> 01:23:47,560 trees excuse me if they're not a hazard 1661 01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:49,760 is really um eliminating a very 1662 01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:51,840 important part of the ecological uh 1663 01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:54,520 component of the woods so so again it's 1664 01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:56,920 really on a case-by Case basis um if you 1665 01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:58,679 see something that you know just kind of 1666 01:23:58,679 --> 01:24:00,280 stands out to you certainly let us know 1667 01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:01,560 well we'll take a look at it and make 1668 01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:05,400 that that determination 1669 01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:09,719 absolutely uh yes the microphone 1670 01:24:09,719 --> 01:24:13,320 now my oh you may have to turn your 1671 01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:15,719 little red button on got my red button 1672 01:24:15,719 --> 01:24:20,239 on um I'm a neighbor to the pomarance uh 1673 01:24:20,239 --> 01:24:22,560 property we live right along brother 1674 01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:26,639 Brook and I think it it needs to be uh 1675 01:24:26,639 --> 01:24:29,800 mentioned that part of the experience of 1676 01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:35,280 the park is destroyed uh on the weekends 1677 01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:38,960 in Winter uh beginning this next weekend 1678 01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:42,639 the ski shooting from the um Country 1679 01:24:42,639 --> 01:24:44,760 Club the Greenwich Country Club will 1680 01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:47,840 commence uh at 10: in the morning and 1681 01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:52,000 persist through 400 p.m. uh Saturday and 1682 01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:53,560 Sunday 1683 01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:55,679 and it's heard throughout the park and 1684 01:24:55,679 --> 01:24:59,000 throughout the neighborhood and I I I 1685 01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:02,119 don't know what we can do about it uh 1686 01:25:02,119 --> 01:25:04,880 within this master plan but it is part 1687 01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:08,119 of the experience of that Park and it 1688 01:25:08,119 --> 01:25:11,750 needs to be 1689 01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:16,830 noted thank 1690 01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:21,270 you 1691 01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:33,070 yes 1692 01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:36,080 I'm Pete Yuri and I've lived in town 1693 01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:38,159 about 50 1694 01:25:38,159 --> 01:25:42,320 years and my wife and I use the pomin 1695 01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:46,560 tuckman and pine edum property at least 1696 01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:48,560 once a week probably twice a week and 1697 01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:50,239 it's 1698 01:25:50,239 --> 01:25:53,400 marvelous it's marvelous 1699 01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:59,760 because it is still virtually untouched 1700 01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:04,199 Woodlands that's not to say that in the 1701 01:26:04,199 --> 01:26:06,760 presentation we heard this evening that 1702 01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:07,679 there 1703 01:26:07,679 --> 01:26:10,920 are I don't want hotpots let's call them 1704 01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:13,800 that which can be 1705 01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:15,360 very 1706 01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:18,560 entertaining or fun or 1707 01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:20,960 educational for someone visiting the 1708 01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:23,760 park I I think the sunken garden is a 1709 01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:25,480 good example of 1710 01:26:25,480 --> 01:26:28,719 that I think the ruin is an example of 1711 01:26:28,719 --> 01:26:32,760 that I think the history of Mr seatan is 1712 01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:35,199 interesting to highlight and have some 1713 01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:37,360 information 1714 01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:40,400 about on the other 1715 01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:43,040 hand I think there's a real danger if 1716 01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:44,600 you do too 1717 01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:46,440 much 1718 01:26:46,440 --> 01:26:49,400 now but I learned because I was involved 1719 01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:52,880 with the master planning for Benny Park 1720 01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,560 that you can make a plan not only for 1721 01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:58,119 what to do 1722 01:26:58,119 --> 01:27:01,199 currently but also for the 1723 01:27:01,199 --> 01:27:05,080 future and you can not necessarily have 1724 01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:06,040 to 1725 01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:09,280 execute and I'm sure if Mr ceciliano is 1726 01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:11,800 in the room there's probably a budget 1727 01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:14,000 issue that will go along with that too 1728 01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,679 that may actually prompt something not 1729 01:27:16,679 --> 01:27:19,280 to happen in in the immediate 1730 01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:25,480 future but the message there is allow 1731 01:27:25,480 --> 01:27:29,400 the ideas that go into the master plan 1732 01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:34,119 to reflect not only what all of us you 1733 01:27:34,119 --> 01:27:37,639 be everyone else wants to have happen in 1734 01:27:37,639 --> 01:27:41,040 the short range and I share that feeling 1735 01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:43,639 let's get it looking a little better 1736 01:27:43,639 --> 01:27:47,000 let's improve the sunen 1737 01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:50,040 garden but then set some priorities for 1738 01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:53,000 what this open space 1739 01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:58,080 will do to serve our community 10 15 20 1740 01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:02,920 years from now the beauty of Benny Park 1741 01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:07,560 90 years old is that it still has as 1742 01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:10,679 part of its five 1743 01:28:10,679 --> 01:28:15,920 sections about a 10 acre untouched 1744 01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:19,320 Woodland from say 1745 01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:23,520 1930 and if I ask how many people knew 1746 01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:26,159 this to raise their 1747 01:28:26,159 --> 01:28:30,800 hand how many hands would go up any 1748 01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:35,040 kitchel well maybe 15% of 1749 01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:37,440 you and it's right there in the middle 1750 01:28:37,440 --> 01:28:40,440 of old grenage it's a wonderful resource 1751 01:28:40,440 --> 01:28:44,030 untouched open 1752 01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:46,320 space thank you for the comment it it 1753 01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:49,400 reminds me of a question that I think 1754 01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:50,800 we're going to be looking at as we get 1755 01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:52,560 into um 1756 01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:54,600 the the master plan recommendations I 1757 01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:56,760 think we're hearing a lot of over and 1758 01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:58,520 over we we love the park the way it is 1759 01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:00,199 we don't want it to we don't want to 1760 01:29:00,199 --> 01:29:01,639 lose this resource we don't want to 1761 01:29:01,639 --> 01:29:03,239 change it and we're going to probably 1762 01:29:03,239 --> 01:29:06,040 start zeroing in on okay how do we best 1763 01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:08,760 Steward what's there today and one of 1764 01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:11,040 those questions that maybe is a little 1765 01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:15,280 more nuanced is how best to showcase the 1766 01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:18,080 site's history specifically like there's 1767 01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:20,080 ruins where there's weeds growing over 1768 01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:23,760 them do we clear those weeds away do we bring a formalized path to more of 1769 01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:25,840 those ruins do we put educational 1770 01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:28,639 signage on more of those do we put uh 1771 01:29:28,639 --> 01:29:30,560 more of like commemorative plaqu on them 1772 01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:32,440 do we leave them completely alone and 1773 01:29:32,440 --> 01:29:34,119 have them as sort of features you 1774 01:29:34,119 --> 01:29:37,440 discover that are overgrown that whether 1775 01:29:37,440 --> 01:29:39,239 to clear weeds away gets into the 1776 01:29:39,239 --> 01:29:41,719 invasive species management question too 1777 01:29:41,719 --> 01:29:43,960 if there's a plant that ought not be in 1778 01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:46,040 the park for the sake of the native 1779 01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:48,159 ecosystem you're kind of clearing out 1780 01:29:48,159 --> 01:29:50,440 the historic ruin while you're at it so 1781 01:29:50,440 --> 01:29:51,719 they can be a little bit interrelated 1782 01:29:51,719 --> 01:29:52,520 but 1783 01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:55,440 finding an appropriate strategy for 1784 01:29:55,440 --> 01:29:57,840 celebrating the fact that this site has 1785 01:29:57,840 --> 01:29:59,440 such unique history and it has these 1786 01:29:59,440 --> 01:30:02,000 physical ruins that can deteriorate they 1787 01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:04,280 can become overgrown do we want to bring 1788 01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:07,320 more attention to those and if so how 1789 01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:09,440 that that's that's kind of the the level 1790 01:30:09,440 --> 01:30:11,440 of detail we may find ourselves zeroing 1791 01:30:11,440 --> 01:30:14,520 in on with that particular 1792 01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:20,030 topic so this hand first 1793 01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:23,480 yeah I mainly came here because of 1794 01:30:23,480 --> 01:30:26,040 dogging I think see that 1795 01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:29,239 CH dogs over there 1796 01:30:29,239 --> 01:30:32,400 years um and it sounds like I'm in 1797 01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:35,719 agreement with most here if you came 1798 01:30:35,719 --> 01:30:37,040 there in the 1799 01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:40,760 morning 75% of the cars 1800 01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:45,960 par I mean yeah 7% they would have dogs 1801 01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:47,080 only 1802 01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:50,840 25% but way it is used 1803 01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:53,600 now somebody else just mentioned another 1804 01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:57,719 thing that's what the or what not but 1805 01:30:57,719 --> 01:31:00,950 when you come out of that 1806 01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:04,480 car go left you can 1807 01:31:04,480 --> 01:31:07,840 hard there's one big tree in the that 1808 01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:10,639 there's an awful lot of bushes 1809 01:31:10,639 --> 01:31:14,360 to I got to admit I went home one day 1810 01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:20,750 and I almost felt whack I got 1811 01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:24,590 Myers out 1812 01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:27,040 there problems 1813 01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:31,840 with I work in La was in this 31 years 1814 01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:32,960 and I 1815 01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:35,800 never 1816 01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:41,990 there never there once 1817 01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:44,920 remember they pick up after themselves 1818 01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:47,400 90% 1819 01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:51,880 I my fo on the grass but that's rare 1820 01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:53,960 really 1821 01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:59,350 take I'm glad to see that most 1822 01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:01,400 people thank 1823 01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:03,600 [Applause] 1824 01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:06,760 you the the the comment was further 1825 01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:10,080 agreement that uh dog walking needs to 1826 01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:14,040 remain uh un unsed with as is on the 1827 01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:16,760 site it's an extremely valuable use and 1828 01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:19,119 that there could be improvements made 1829 01:32:19,119 --> 01:32:21,040 for the visibility of cars turning out 1830 01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:23,400 of the or street parking lot because of 1831 01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:26,119 vegetation blocking the view of oncoming 1832 01:32:26,119 --> 01:32:29,239 cars and that uh in the uh gentleman's 1833 01:32:29,239 --> 01:32:31,639 experience there has not been um issues 1834 01:32:31,639 --> 01:32:33,840 of um kind of negative encounters 1835 01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:36,960 between dogs and users of the 1836 01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:40,840 park was there yeah go ahead yep it's 1837 01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:42,360 you 1838 01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:45,719 yep see a couple of walking friends that 1839 01:32:45,719 --> 01:32:49,510 I don't know who they are but I've seen 1840 01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:58,629 them I live on Montgomery Lane 1841 01:32:58,639 --> 01:33:01,760 says you know it's completely different 1842 01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:08,390 Five Point with apologies 1843 01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:10,560 Gass and the well 1844 01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:15,679 AC Wellness woodiness it is is what feel 1845 01:33:15,679 --> 01:33:20,560 like breathing you know real 1846 01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:22,920 air 1847 01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:24,400 I've been working through through there 1848 01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:26,960 about six days a week for 20 years I 1849 01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:29,800 will say the uh the signage is issue I I 1850 01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:32,000 had person rescued one little girl 1851 01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:35,520 mother was did a run away i' I've 1852 01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:38,080 periodically steered people back to 1853 01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:40,199 where they think the might 1854 01:33:40,199 --> 01:33:44,600 possibly so I agree with the point 1855 01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:47,679 about this doesn't work on your 1856 01:33:47,679 --> 01:33:50,560 phone so I would be in favor 1857 01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:52,400 for 1858 01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:53,719 with 1859 01:33:53,719 --> 01:33:57,239 Arona I I do think um you know there so 1860 01:33:57,239 --> 01:34:00,560 many pass like primary second some of 1861 01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:02,239 them get kind of 1862 01:34:02,239 --> 01:34:06,719 swamp and and I would have objection to 1863 01:34:06,719 --> 01:34:11,040 making them pass withs like that I know 1864 01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:14,480 this also the with this small area next 1865 01:34:14,480 --> 01:34:19,840 to is also Cal s right which is owned by 1866 01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:23,280 the aut but basically connected through 1867 01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:26,400 the PO sanct all way through through 1868 01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:28,600 everything else and what they done the 1869 01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:31,520 PO they put you know kind of little 1870 01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:36,880 bridges over the areas and that's very 1871 01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:50,470 intermittent right I think one yeah 1872 01:34:50,480 --> 01:34:53,159 the my final point 1873 01:34:53,159 --> 01:34:56,800 is it's a shame that the the overlooks 1874 01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:59,600 don't really allow you to see the lake 1875 01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:02,199 most of the time there a lot of 1876 01:35:02,199 --> 01:35:04,600 overgrowth Tre or whatever I don't 1877 01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:06,520 whether it's native or not but it seems 1878 01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:08,199 to me when you're in elev position you 1879 01:35:08,199 --> 01:35:10,960 got the the ruins and everything the 1880 01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:13,520 park nice to be able to look down and 1881 01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:16,600 see the and my experience you really 1882 01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:19,920 can't see it very well obsc most the 1883 01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:22,639 time the elevation 1884 01:35:22,639 --> 01:35:25,880 El I don't see why you would open that 1885 01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:29,199 up final point you said something about 1886 01:35:29,199 --> 01:35:31,080 we put in more 1887 01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:35,480 access to notable sites I I personally 1888 01:35:35,480 --> 01:35:41,510 would like to see that i' 1889 01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:43,320 like thank 1890 01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:45,639 [Applause] 1891 01:35:45,639 --> 01:35:49,280 you um the the comments included uh 1892 01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:51,679 reinforcement of that agreements that 1893 01:35:51,679 --> 01:35:53,920 more physical way finding signage could 1894 01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:56,400 be useful QR codes won't be practical 1895 01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:58,679 due to reception here paths that get 1896 01:35:58,679 --> 01:36:01,360 swampy could benefit from boardwalks and 1897 01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:03,520 there's uh nearby examples where that's 1898 01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:05,639 done well and that the overlooks are 1899 01:36:05,639 --> 01:36:07,719 quite often overgrown with with the 1900 01:36:07,719 --> 01:36:11,239 views blocked and um the uh gentleman 1901 01:36:11,239 --> 01:36:13,960 feels uh formalized Pathways to the 1902 01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:16,960 ruins might not be um the the most 1903 01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:19,629 appropriate 1904 01:36:19,639 --> 01:36:22,239 treatment go ahead 1905 01:36:22,239 --> 01:36:24,440 my name's Bob Angelo born and raised 1906 01:36:24,440 --> 01:36:27,560 here in GRE right across from p park 1907 01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:31,159 spent a lot of time in there as a kid I 1908 01:36:31,159 --> 01:36:33,520 didn't shoot any animals in 1909 01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:35,199 there 1910 01:36:35,199 --> 01:36:39,000 every a warm day your high skip school 1911 01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:40,520 jump in the 1912 01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:45,520 lake a lot of fun in there um I'm on the 1913 01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:48,400 selectman's transportation task force 1914 01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:52,040 and my primary focus is SA riding for 1915 01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:54,199 young kids to try to get to school 1916 01:36:54,199 --> 01:36:58,840 safely so um you I know I'm I'm 1917 01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:01,119 certainly not advocating opening up the 1918 01:37:01,119 --> 01:37:04,159 park for bike riding but there's a main 1919 01:37:04,159 --> 01:37:06,239 uh main artery Trail there basically 1920 01:37:06,239 --> 01:37:10,239 from the lake that goes up to the mam 1921 01:37:10,239 --> 01:37:13,320 Road you know Montgomery Lane 1922 01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:16,719 back and multipurpose Trail normally 1923 01:37:16,719 --> 01:37:21,360 about 8 ft wide um there's uh different 1924 01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:24,400 substrates not not advocating mam not 1925 01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:26,920 baving not cutting down trees not moving 1926 01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:30,159 anything um we we would love the task 1927 01:37:30,159 --> 01:37:31,520 force would love to see some 1928 01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:35,199 consideration to feasibility of if that 1929 01:37:35,199 --> 01:37:40,199 one uh trail that links the lake to um 1930 01:37:40,199 --> 01:37:42,840 the road there near the Botanical center 1931 01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:45,360 could become a multi-purpose pass that 1932 01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:47,719 shared uh so that kids could basically 1933 01:37:47,719 --> 01:37:49,679 ride their bike to school to the new 1934 01:37:49,679 --> 01:37:52,280 Central Middle School and credit b b 1935 01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:54,840 kids are looking s in F Track is really 1936 01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:57,040 bad think people would use the park if 1937 01:37:57,040 --> 01:38:00,400 they could have family ride in there 1938 01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:01,920 basically 1939 01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:04,400 um yeah that's it there's there's 1940 01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:06,719 different substrates that you know that 1941 01:38:06,719 --> 01:38:10,280 drain that withstand weather um seen 1942 01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:13,080 them around basically and uh we' 1943 01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:15,560 appreciate just some consideration 1944 01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:17,719 to make 1945 01:38:17,719 --> 01:38:19,560 that 1946 01:38:19,560 --> 01:38:21,760 schoolf in that area 1947 01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:23,290 thank you thank 1948 01:38:23,290 --> 01:38:25,840 [Applause] 1949 01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:28,280 you okay then I'll summarize both 1950 01:38:28,280 --> 01:38:30,480 comments in winter 1951 01:38:30,480 --> 01:38:33,440 time oh that that route would be perfect 1952 01:38:33,440 --> 01:38:36,679 for losing in wintertime so the the the 1953 01:38:36,679 --> 01:38:41,599 comment was um could a uh suitable route 1954 01:38:41,599 --> 01:38:44,080 be found on one of the main artery 1955 01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:46,400 Trails through the park that would 1956 01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:49,040 connect uh with a more of a paved 1957 01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:51,360 multi-use trail treatment uh for 1958 01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:53,920 children biking to school uh I I as I 1959 01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:55,920 understood it kind of on a 1960 01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:58,880 North sorry sorry sorry as a landscape 1961 01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:00,679 architect when I think of compacted 1962 01:39:00,679 --> 01:39:02,639 stone dust I think of that as a a type 1963 01:39:02,639 --> 01:39:05,710 of pavement but not 1964 01:39:05,710 --> 01:39:07,920 [Laughter] 1965 01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:10,840 asphalt but more solid than Earth more 1966 01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:13,360 solid than just the packed Earth trails 1967 01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:14,520 that we have something kind of in 1968 01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:16,400 between is what you may be envisioning I 1969 01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:18,960 mean a multi-use trail can be paved with 1970 01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:20,880 asphalt and it becomes more durable and 1971 01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:24,360 I I want to add to that um is there a 1972 01:39:24,360 --> 01:39:26,239 need for a handicap accessible Trail 1973 01:39:26,239 --> 01:39:28,520 through here and would that double is 1974 01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:30,960 that say that basically I mean I think 1975 01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:34,000 the part of active transportation is 1976 01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:36,320 access for all users and you know 1977 01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:40,199 adaptive users uh with a safer you know 1978 01:39:40,199 --> 01:39:42,920 with a safer raid basically or just 1979 01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:47,440 safer substrate uh enjoy the part yeah 1980 01:39:47,440 --> 01:39:50,199 well when we um maybe after we're 1981 01:39:50,199 --> 01:39:51,960 finished together you could point out 1982 01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:53,480 the route you had in mind that sounded 1983 01:39:53,480 --> 01:39:55,119 fairly specific and we could talk about 1984 01:39:55,119 --> 01:39:58,709 that a little 1985 01:39:58,719 --> 01:40:05,510 further go ahead hi my name 1986 01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:09,679 ISO and I use 1987 01:40:09,679 --> 01:40:12,520 the I've also done a lot of 1988 01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:17,350 Hing with and without 1989 01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:19,960 dogs I would like 1990 01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:22,159 to pose for 1991 01:40:22,159 --> 01:40:24,199 consideration once 1992 01:40:24,199 --> 01:40:27,760 you um introduce bikes trail 1993 01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:30,599 system it can be difficult to 1994 01:40:30,599 --> 01:40:32,719 control to 1995 01:40:32,719 --> 01:40:37,560 use I have geered away from pking in my 1996 01:40:37,560 --> 01:40:40,599 because tax of mountain bikers not just 1997 01:40:40,599 --> 01:40:43,239 one or two and I'm a previous mountain 1998 01:40:43,239 --> 01:40:46,360 biker I love it but tax event bikers 1999 01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:49,400 come in from westest County because they 2000 01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:52,040 found the park online 2001 01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:54,199 and I'm there with a dog trying to 2002 01:40:54,199 --> 01:40:56,000 prevent the dog from being run over by 2003 01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:58,199 the bike and they don't you know go 2004 01:40:58,199 --> 01:41:01,480 along and FL they go along and very 2005 01:41:01,480 --> 01:41:04,520 fast um I would hate to see anything 2006 01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:08,679 like that happen to this gorgeous you 2007 01:41:08,679 --> 01:41:11,239 know Reserve 2008 01:41:11,239 --> 01:41:13,370 that thank you 2009 01:41:13,370 --> 01:41:15,080 [Applause] 2010 01:41:15,080 --> 01:41:17,880 so the comment was a concern that once 2011 01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:21,440 biking is introduced as a uh activity at 2012 01:41:21,440 --> 01:41:23,080 a park and the park starts to 2013 01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:25,280 accommodate that it can be discovered by 2014 01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:29,440 mountain bikers who can overuse the park 2015 01:41:29,440 --> 01:41:34,560 and make it less um usable for uh hikers 2016 01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:36,560 and and other other uses and so to be 2017 01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:41,790 cautious of 2018 01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:49,830 that 2019 01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:53,239 yes about five years 2020 01:41:53,239 --> 01:41:55,679 ago 2021 01:41:55,679 --> 01:42:00,360 off there several times and when I first 2022 01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:04,229 back I live for a while in California 2023 01:42:04,239 --> 01:42:07,480 which when I first back to it was many 2024 01:42:07,480 --> 01:42:09,880 times in the park I was really kind of 2025 01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:11,920 shocked that this particular town with 2026 01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:14,880 the resources and the wealth and the 2027 01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:17,800 intelligence that it has wasn't doing 2028 01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:19,800 take care of the car from the 2029 01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:23,599 perspective of the invasives 2030 01:42:23,599 --> 01:42:26,440 that just 2031 01:42:26,440 --> 01:42:30,430 like 2032 01:42:30,440 --> 01:42:32,840 not I think 2033 01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:43,830 this 2034 01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:47,520 toon allocate more resources to it and a 2035 01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:49,320 couple of people tonight people on the 2036 01:42:49,320 --> 01:42:51,639 Chanel haveed the word 2037 01:42:51,639 --> 01:42:53,679 terms of us taking care of the park I 2038 01:42:53,679 --> 01:42:56,880 would like there to be ace to the par as 2039 01:42:56,880 --> 01:42:59,320 there someone who really their 2040 01:42:59,320 --> 01:43:02,400 responsibility to take care of the park 2041 01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:04,840 Institute and implement the plan that we 2042 01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:08,040 all come up with and make sure that some 2043 01:43:08,040 --> 01:43:11,440 of the degradation that we're seeings 2044 01:43:11,440 --> 01:43:14,280 and the habitat and all that isn't taken 2045 01:43:14,280 --> 01:43:16,360 away and as much as possible I really 2046 01:43:16,360 --> 01:43:18,880 love it something that we don't have a 2047 01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:21,920 lot which is this 2048 01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:25,560 State um so from that point well I 2049 01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:28,159 definitely love that so many job owners 2050 01:43:28,159 --> 01:43:30,199 use the it's so great to walk there and 2051 01:43:30,199 --> 01:43:32,320 see everyone lots of people let their 2052 01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:36,760 dogs off Le and perspective of a 2053 01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:40,320 natural to maintain this as a natural 2054 01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:43,040 that's it also turns away some people 2055 01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:45,400 who don't like having for 2056 01:43:45,400 --> 01:43:49,679 them and I agree that 2057 01:43:49,679 --> 01:43:53,920 most every time I walk in there I see 2058 01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:58,940 not I see the little B ofg left on the 2059 01:43:58,940 --> 01:44:02,310 [Music] 2060 01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:06,280 trail so um yeah that's kind of the main 2061 01:44:06,280 --> 01:44:11,350 I really 2062 01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:13,040 we 2063 01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:14,599 and 2064 01:44:14,599 --> 01:44:18,119 this so much more than other places to 2065 01:44:18,119 --> 01:44:19,960 really take care of them and preserve 2066 01:44:19,960 --> 01:44:23,669 them for 2067 01:44:23,679 --> 01:44:26,119 children thank thank 2068 01:44:26,119 --> 01:44:30,400 you the comment was um to uh 2069 01:44:30,400 --> 01:44:35,080 continue aggressively tackling invasive 2070 01:44:35,080 --> 01:44:38,280 vegetation um could there be a steward 2071 01:44:38,280 --> 01:44:40,719 specifically for this park a a person 2072 01:44:40,719 --> 01:44:43,360 designated who ensures invasive species 2073 01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:45,639 are managed trails are maintained and 2074 01:44:45,639 --> 01:44:48,719 then the perspective that um while 2075 01:44:48,719 --> 01:44:50,400 walking dogs is a valuable use of the 2076 01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:53,000 par Park letting dogs off leash can turn 2077 01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:55,360 off people who aren't comfortable around 2078 01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:57,960 dogs can um stress the environment and 2079 01:44:57,960 --> 01:45:00,679 that dog waste uh being picked up needs 2080 01:45:00,679 --> 01:45:04,560 to be um done more diligently so it may 2081 01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:09,119 lead to um further infrastructure or or 2082 01:45:09,119 --> 01:45:11,000 attention emphasis being brought to 2083 01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:19,470 bring your dog here but do it properly 2084 01:45:19,480 --> 01:45:45,900 yeah 2085 01:45:45,910 --> 01:45:49,470 [Music] 2086 01:45:49,480 --> 01:45:51,400 r 2087 01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:53,040 know 2088 01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:57,000 there um that I 2089 01:45:57,000 --> 01:46:19,390 haveen are 2090 01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:27,560 not um the other thing is I think bags 2091 01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:37,109 that are around the 2092 01:46:37,119 --> 01:46:48,510 par I don't see a lot 2093 01:46:48,520 --> 01:47:00,030 of that was 2094 01:47:00,040 --> 01:47:03,920 thank you uh the the comments were um in 2095 01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:06,119 support of it was the perspective that 2096 01:47:06,119 --> 01:47:09,639 offleash um time for dogs is is valuable 2097 01:47:09,639 --> 01:47:11,159 and a space like this can provide that 2098 01:47:11,159 --> 01:47:13,159 opportunity for for dogs who who who 2099 01:47:13,159 --> 01:47:16,639 need that and um that it hasn't been an 2100 01:47:16,639 --> 01:47:19,080 issue in in this person's experience and 2101 01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:22,199 should be considered and that um dog 2102 01:47:22,199 --> 01:47:23,840 waste the dog waste issue can be 2103 01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:26,360 addressed by making cleanup easy for 2104 01:47:26,360 --> 01:47:29,679 people by providing more more 2105 01:47:29,679 --> 01:47:49,310 bins is this one 2106 01:47:49,320 --> 01:48:11,990 first 2107 01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:19,229 thats 2108 01:48:19,239 --> 01:48:34,589 are 2109 01:48:34,599 --> 01:48:47,950 and there are 2110 01:48:47,960 --> 01:48:54,310 many are not near 2111 01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:56,880 thank you U the comment was um the the 2112 01:48:56,880 --> 01:49:00,800 other perspective that this person has 2113 01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:03,159 had um bad encounters with dogs 2114 01:49:03,159 --> 01:49:05,119 including being bitten here has been 2115 01:49:05,119 --> 01:49:07,599 knocked over and that elderly people 2116 01:49:07,599 --> 01:49:10,239 they know have been afraid to to come 2117 01:49:10,239 --> 01:49:12,320 here because of the prospect of of dogs 2118 01:49:12,320 --> 01:49:14,880 being off leash and and jumping on them 2119 01:49:14,880 --> 01:49:17,199 and things like that 2120 01:49:17,199 --> 01:49:18,920 and 2121 01:49:18,920 --> 01:49:23,280 Y who I see next I think I think it was 2122 01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:27,229 you yeah go ahead 2123 01:49:27,239 --> 01:49:32,840 I lot of people love do but I think 2124 01:49:32,840 --> 01:49:37,440 this understanding BR that maybe you can 2125 01:49:37,440 --> 01:49:41,760 let your dog off I see it all the time 2126 01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:45,360 some not only not a problem but 2127 01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:47,719 occasionally dogs 2128 01:49:47,719 --> 01:49:53,470 aggressive used to have this huge 2129 01:49:53,480 --> 01:49:57,199 MGS around but not everybody is 2130 01:49:57,199 --> 01:50:00,639 responsible seems I see dogs up the 2131 01:50:00,639 --> 01:50:02,920 leash this part more of than any other 2132 01:50:02,920 --> 01:50:06,199 part and I think maybe not close 2133 01:50:06,199 --> 01:50:10,080 supervis understanding that probably 2134 01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:14,599 inform trouble personally I have time 2135 01:50:14,599 --> 01:50:19,030 but 2136 01:50:19,040 --> 01:50:32,910 Pati I right 2137 01:50:32,920 --> 01:50:36,199 there yeah thank you and and by the way 2138 01:50:36,199 --> 01:50:38,350 I'm 2139 01:50:38,360 --> 01:50:41,599 going um just to uh pause for a moment I 2140 01:50:41,599 --> 01:50:43,360 think we've kind of formally scheduled 2141 01:50:43,360 --> 01:50:45,639 ourselves between 6: to 8:00 P.M so 2142 01:50:45,639 --> 01:50:46,880 we're getting close to the end of our 2143 01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:50,079 time so the conversation can obviously 2144 01:50:50,079 --> 01:50:51,679 to go on and on and on and I want I just 2145 01:50:51,679 --> 01:50:52,920 want to make it known we're going to 2146 01:50:52,920 --> 01:50:56,360 hang out longer and be available to 2147 01:50:56,360 --> 01:50:58,840 speak kind of more on an informal basis 2148 01:50:58,840 --> 01:51:00,000 because I'm sure there's still going to 2149 01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:01,800 be additional questions and comments to 2150 01:51:01,800 --> 01:51:04,719 discuss um so you can speak to any any 2151 01:51:04,719 --> 01:51:07,000 of us on the project team at the end of 2152 01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:08,880 this and we'll hang out over there near 2153 01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:11,239 the maps U we we brought sticky notes 2154 01:51:11,239 --> 01:51:12,880 you can write comments down and stick 2155 01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:14,840 them right to the maps and there is the 2156 01:51:14,840 --> 01:51:16,840 online survey which is on the town's 2157 01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:19,760 website under the parks department page 2158 01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:21,599 and we've gotten a lot of survey 2159 01:51:21,599 --> 01:51:23,760 responses already and if you haven't 2160 01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:25,679 taken it please tell your friends and 2161 01:51:25,679 --> 01:51:27,599 family members and anyone who uses this 2162 01:51:27,599 --> 01:51:31,119 park to to take it and that has the 2163 01:51:31,119 --> 01:51:33,480 opportunity for open-ended responses as 2164 01:51:33,480 --> 01:51:35,159 well if you have additional comments 2165 01:51:35,159 --> 01:51:37,239 that don't fit the form of all of the 2166 01:51:37,239 --> 01:51:38,440 questions on there so I just wanted to 2167 01:51:38,440 --> 01:51:40,079 make sure that that was clear as since 2168 01:51:40,079 --> 01:51:41,360 we'll take a couple more questions here 2169 01:51:41,360 --> 01:51:42,760 but we're we're going to begin to wrap 2170 01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:46,679 up after maybe two or three more 2171 01:51:46,679 --> 01:51:49,320 questions I think I think I saw your 2172 01:51:49,320 --> 01:51:51,159 hand longer 2173 01:51:51,159 --> 01:51:57,310 ago I'm 2174 01:51:57,320 --> 01:52:03,910 justce and I just want appreciative 2175 01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:07,440 this coms 2176 01:52:07,440 --> 01:52:10,000 but take 2177 01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:12,360 questions love your 2178 01:52:12,360 --> 01:52:16,040 name far as ma um I just wanted to 2179 01:52:16,040 --> 01:52:20,239 celebrate the work of Darren and have 2180 01:52:20,239 --> 01:52:22,320 created a 2181 01:52:22,320 --> 01:52:27,040 map um it is posted on our website so 2182 01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:29,669 download 2183 01:52:29,679 --> 01:52:33,360 it 2184 01:52:33,370 --> 01:52:38,709 [Music] 2185 01:52:38,719 --> 01:52:41,960 fish it was they walked it all the way 2186 01:52:41,960 --> 01:52:47,119 up from um with the library 2187 01:52:47,119 --> 01:52:50,639 went and um 2188 01:52:50,639 --> 01:52:54,440 conion May more 2189 01:52:54,440 --> 01:53:02,790 than um 2190 01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:06,149 [Music] 2191 01:53:06,159 --> 01:53:09,480 I there he may get a tough winter this 2192 01:53:09,480 --> 01:53:18,510 season so um yeah I am a 2193 01:53:18,520 --> 01:53:20,760 lifelong um 2194 01:53:20,760 --> 01:53:24,560 and please come up me with any other 2195 01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:32,470 ideas 2196 01:53:32,480 --> 01:53:35,400 down thank 2197 01:53:35,400 --> 01:53:45,990 you and I think the dog issue is 2198 01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:48,760 complicated round 2199 01:53:48,760 --> 01:53:49,820 Applause 2200 01:53:49,820 --> 01:53:54,990 [Applause] 2201 01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:57,760 who was pregnant no idea at the time and 2202 01:53:57,760 --> 01:54:00,040 during the very rainy couple of days 2203 01:54:00,040 --> 01:54:02,199 like every single gear 2204 01:54:02,199 --> 01:54:04,040 pth the 2205 01:54:04,040 --> 01:54:07,440 G um but one thing I did want to mention 2206 01:54:07,440 --> 01:54:11,960 about the dogs it is actually law to 2207 01:54:11,960 --> 01:54:15,079 have your dog so that's why those are 2208 01:54:15,079 --> 01:54:18,000 very concerned about the um survey 2209 01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:20,679 question we spent a lot time talking 2210 01:54:20,679 --> 01:54:23,679 about how to phrase that question and I 2211 01:54:23,679 --> 01:54:25,960 think this team did a really good job of 2212 01:54:25,960 --> 01:54:28,199 handling 2213 01:54:28,199 --> 01:54:33,639 it so I think be a group that together 2214 01:54:33,639 --> 01:54:37,480 and talk about it to invol 2215 01:54:37,480 --> 01:54:40,599 he larger gr so I think it is 2216 01:54:40,599 --> 01:54:42,320 complicated and I know you're raising 2217 01:54:42,320 --> 01:54:45,239 your hand I know I just want to know how 2218 01:54:45,239 --> 01:54:47,800 do you get hold of board 2219 01:54:47,800 --> 01:55:18,589 of I'm not on the board of 2220 01:55:18,599 --> 01:55:21,639 I we 2221 01:55:21,639 --> 01:55:25,350 take 2222 01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:27,719 here yeah yeah yeah probably start 2223 01:55:27,719 --> 01:55:44,270 wrapping it up 2224 01:55:44,280 --> 01:55:47,199 iail we can send it I know we have Sur 2225 01:55:47,199 --> 01:55:47,920 but I 2226 01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:51,079 want part of we can kind of separate 2227 01:55:51,079 --> 01:55:52,400 that out and kind of have that as a 2228 01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:57,079 comment in the meeting speak for that 2229 01:55:57,079 --> 01:55:59,040 receive yeah yeah you're gonna respond 2230 01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:00,920 to those people who typed additional 2231 01:56:00,920 --> 01:56:03,400 comments with the email address I'll 2232 01:56:03,400 --> 01:56:08,030 just ask them to 2233 01:56:08,040 --> 01:56:11,390 email 2234 01:56:11,400 --> 01:56:15,079 conly com the meeting itself 2235 01:56:15,079 --> 01:56:16,960 okay all 2236 01:56:16,960 --> 01:56:20,800 right okay um I'll take I'm going to 2237 01:56:20,800 --> 01:56:22,079 sorry I'm 2238 01:56:22,079 --> 01:56:24,079 gonna there's two people that we have 2239 01:56:24,079 --> 01:56:25,520 not heard from at all yet that's a good 2240 01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:26,880 point we have not heard from the two of 2241 01:56:26,880 --> 01:56:29,679 you your two comments or questions will 2242 01:56:29,679 --> 01:56:33,040 be the final group wide ones and then we 2243 01:56:33,040 --> 01:56:34,760 are going to disperse and talk more 2244 01:56:34,760 --> 01:56:37,800 organically no pressure 2245 01:56:37,800 --> 01:56:40,920 yeah oh yeah yeah sorry Dan other Dan 2246 01:56:40,920 --> 01:56:43,040 has one comment first yes I I do want to 2247 01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:44,599 mention that I do know that we have a 2248 01:56:44,599 --> 01:56:46,000 couple of people that have raised their 2249 01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:49,760 hands um on the online Zoom option like 2250 01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:51,520 I said we are running out of time here 2251 01:56:51,520 --> 01:56:53,119 we do have other stuff on the agenda and 2252 01:56:53,119 --> 01:56:55,119 we want to take in time to consideration 2253 01:56:55,119 --> 01:56:57,800 with our um Consultants here so if you 2254 01:56:57,800 --> 01:57:00,119 guys do have any additional comments 2255 01:57:00,119 --> 01:57:02,159 that are related to this meeting please 2256 01:57:02,159 --> 01:57:04,639 send them to parks and trees at 2257 01:57:04,639 --> 01:57:05,639 Greenwich 2258 01:57:05,639 --> 01:57:08,480 c.gov with the pomerance tuckman public 2259 01:57:08,480 --> 01:57:11,320 meeting as the um as the headline for 2260 01:57:11,320 --> 01:57:14,560 that and we will forward those on to the 2261 01:57:14,560 --> 01:57:16,920 consultant GZA to get those recorded 2262 01:57:16,920 --> 01:57:19,239 within the meeting um I do know we have 2263 01:57:19,239 --> 01:57:21,079 as Dan reiterate we do have the survey 2264 01:57:21,079 --> 01:57:23,119 online TI for additional feedback but we 2265 01:57:23,119 --> 01:57:24,560 do want to make sure that I mean you 2266 01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:26,520 took the time out here to uh listen to 2267 01:57:26,520 --> 01:57:28,119 this so we want to have your comments on 2268 01:57:28,119 --> 01:57:30,280 record for this particular meeting so I 2269 01:57:30,280 --> 01:57:32,119 apologize for not getting to your 2270 01:57:32,119 --> 01:57:34,239 comments to those of you on Zoom or for 2271 01:57:34,239 --> 01:57:36,400 those in the audience but feel free to 2272 01:57:36,400 --> 01:57:38,159 um email us at that address and we will 2273 01:57:38,159 --> 01:57:40,119 get that incorporated into the comments 2274 01:57:40,119 --> 01:57:42,280 of this meeting all right thank 2275 01:57:42,280 --> 01:57:45,440 you okay yes go ahead people have 2276 01:57:45,440 --> 01:57:46,480 mentioned 2277 01:57:46,480 --> 01:57:49,199 stewardship and who would be stewards of 2278 01:57:49,199 --> 01:57:52,040 this and might even take a case from The 2279 01:57:52,040 --> 01:57:54,560 Playbook of the land trust who has 2280 01:57:54,560 --> 01:57:57,360 multiple lands all over place and has a 2281 01:57:57,360 --> 01:57:59,040 steward in a steward group for each 2282 01:57:59,040 --> 01:58:01,920 location so it's like a friends group 2283 01:58:01,920 --> 01:58:04,599 and so we could have the friends under 2284 01:58:04,599 --> 01:58:08,880 the direction of N St being the steward 2285 01:58:08,880 --> 01:58:11,239 it would work perfectly we've got it at 2286 01:58:11,239 --> 01:58:14,760 gr point point it's everything from 2287 01:58:14,760 --> 01:58:17,400 pulling down the invasive V to worrying 2288 01:58:17,400 --> 01:58:20,400 about making being on making the 2289 01:58:20,400 --> 01:58:22,239 observations and getting things 2290 01:58:22,239 --> 01:58:24,480 corrected and keeping the 2291 01:58:24,480 --> 01:58:27,679 place thank you uh yeah the comment was 2292 01:58:27,679 --> 01:58:29,480 uh in response to who would be the 2293 01:58:29,480 --> 01:58:31,840 steward of a property like this you have 2294 01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:33,840 examples such as the Greenwich Land 2295 01:58:33,840 --> 01:58:35,840 Trust which has a steward for each of 2296 01:58:35,840 --> 01:58:38,639 its locations and that could be where uh 2297 01:58:38,639 --> 01:58:40,800 the role of the the friends of pomerance 2298 01:58:40,800 --> 01:58:43,360 and tuckman could step in and do 2299 01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:45,760 something similar to Steward this 2300 01:58:45,760 --> 01:58:49,880 park and and the final the final comment 2301 01:58:49,880 --> 01:58:51,000 first of all I want to thank you for 2302 01:58:51,000 --> 01:58:54,960 having this public for educational 2303 01:58:54,960 --> 01:58:56,599 valuable 2304 01:58:56,599 --> 01:58:58,159 lot 2305 01:58:58,159 --> 01:59:02,199 um I and my dog are in that Park every 2306 01:59:02,199 --> 01:59:05,520 day my dog is there at least 2307 01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:09,639 twice and constantly amazed that 10et 2308 01:59:09,639 --> 01:59:13,000 after I walk into the park I he cars 2309 01:59:13,000 --> 01:59:16,960 barely here ples it's the G so I 2310 01:59:16,960 --> 01:59:19,800 encourage you to try keep it as much 2311 01:59:19,800 --> 01:59:24,709 like it is today in 15 2312 01:59:24,719 --> 01:59:28,239 years someone mentioned bags in the park 2313 01:59:28,239 --> 01:59:31,480 um and dogs that are disbehaving in the 2314 01:59:31,480 --> 01:59:34,199 park um I see a lot of other dog owners 2315 01:59:34,199 --> 01:59:37,000 here the dogs that are the problems the 2316 01:59:37,000 --> 01:59:39,040 people that don't pick up bags think are 2317 01:59:39,040 --> 01:59:42,599 the outliers I urge you not to make 2318 01:59:42,599 --> 01:59:46,480 decisions based on the vast minority of 2319 01:59:46,480 --> 01:59:49,520 people bags by the side of Trail I can 2320 01:59:49,520 --> 01:59:52,639 tell you Le once every week and a half I 2321 01:59:52,639 --> 01:59:57,199 walk out of the park five bed I away it 2322 01:59:57,199 --> 02:00:00,800 my mind that people will pick up Poe the 2323 02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:04,360 bag and leave it next to the trail for 2324 02:00:04,360 --> 02:00:09,430 someone your question I'm one of those 2325 02:00:09,440 --> 02:00:12,159 elves just to show that it's not unique 2326 02:00:12,159 --> 02:00:14,800 to the park when I walk to the park from 2327 02:00:14,800 --> 02:00:16,119 my house of 2328 02:00:16,119 --> 02:00:18,800 Valleywood once a month I see a PO bag 2329 02:00:18,800 --> 02:00:21,840 on some lawn on the street so it's not 2330 02:00:21,840 --> 02:00:24,320 unique to the par people do this is what 2331 02:00:24,320 --> 02:00:26,920 people do and they must have people pick 2332 02:00:26,920 --> 02:00:29,599 up for them at home that let them feel 2333 02:00:29,599 --> 02:00:31,880 this is way the world supposed to work 2334 02:00:31,880 --> 02:00:36,760 um I urge you also to keep B off trails 2335 02:00:36,760 --> 02:00:39,280 I don't I don't want to talk about kids 2336 02:00:39,280 --> 02:00:41,239 going to school on bikes I went to 2337 02:00:41,239 --> 02:00:42,639 school on 2338 02:00:42,639 --> 02:00:48,400 bike of high school and it's but I don't 2339 02:00:48,400 --> 02:00:51,800 go to Miami part because I've been 2340 02:00:51,800 --> 02:00:55,840 scared by bikes sing around the turn um 2341 02:00:55,840 --> 02:01:00,199 f than I do I just don't go there 2342 02:01:00,199 --> 02:01:02,920 besides not wondering my dog's going to 2343 02:01:02,920 --> 02:01:06,400 be bik I don't want to be so if you 2344 02:01:06,400 --> 02:01:09,239 could limit if you have bike access 2345 02:01:09,239 --> 02:01:18,030 these are limited to a 2346 02:01:18,040 --> 02:01:19,599 very 2347 02:01:19,599 --> 02:01:22,960 that's I thank you so that that that'll 2348 02:01:22,960 --> 02:01:24,840 be our final official comment which I'll 2349 02:01:24,840 --> 02:01:27,320 recap which is reiterated that dog 2350 02:01:27,320 --> 02:01:29,440 walking is a very valuable use of the 2351 02:01:29,440 --> 02:01:31,920 park it's a quiet Gem and should be kept 2352 02:01:31,920 --> 02:01:34,960 that way um to not make decisions based 2353 02:01:34,960 --> 02:01:38,280 on uh the the sort of problem dogs or 2354 02:01:38,280 --> 02:01:40,679 dog owners who are likely the outliers 2355 02:01:40,679 --> 02:01:43,960 and decisions not to be made solely on 2356 02:01:43,960 --> 02:01:46,800 that um and that spikes should be kept 2357 02:01:46,800 --> 02:01:48,719 off the trails uh other nearby parks 2358 02:01:48,719 --> 02:01:51,119 like the mananas Greenway mananas Park 2359 02:01:51,119 --> 02:01:54,520 are too unsafe due to mountain biking 2360 02:01:54,520 --> 02:01:57,040 and to take that into consideration so 2361 02:01:57,040 --> 02:02:02,760 thank you and um so thank you all for your comments for for listening to 2362 02:02:02,760 --> 02:02:04,480 all of the information we had to share 2363 02:02:04,480 --> 02:02:06,800 and then for engaging in this discussion 2364 02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:08,520 I I think everyone's in agreement that 2365 02:02:08,520 --> 02:02:10,199 it's it's a really valuable well-loved 2366 02:02:10,199 --> 02:02:13,280 space you're really lucky to have it in 2367 02:02:13,280 --> 02:02:16,280 town and I think we can all agree we 2368 02:02:16,280 --> 02:02:19,440 want to find the way to uh move forward 2369 02:02:19,440 --> 02:02:23,040 with uh keeping it the way it is uh and 2370 02:02:23,040 --> 02:02:25,440 since change is inevitable in in the 2371 02:02:25,440 --> 02:02:27,840 world just find ways to Steward this 2372 02:02:27,840 --> 02:02:32,440 site appropriately so it can continue to offer what what people love about it 2373 02:02:32,440 --> 02:02:34,199 with just the improvements that are 2374 02:02:34,199 --> 02:02:37,920 necessary to to continue to enable those 2375 02:02:37,920 --> 02:02:40,760 things um so like I said our our next 2376 02:02:40,760 --> 02:02:42,639 steps are we're going to start uh 2377 02:02:42,639 --> 02:02:44,199 working internally drafting 2378 02:02:44,199 --> 02:02:46,159 recommendations based on all of our 2379 02:02:46,159 --> 02:02:47,480 analysis we've been doing and the 2380 02:02:47,480 --> 02:02:50,800 feedback we're hearing the the public survey that's online which once 2381 02:02:50,800 --> 02:02:53,079 again is on the parks department website 2382 02:02:53,079 --> 02:02:56,079 on on the town of greenwich's website um 2383 02:02:56,079 --> 02:02:58,280 is going to be open until November 17th 2384 02:02:58,280 --> 02:03:00,239 so so please participate in that if you 2385 02:03:00,239 --> 02:03:01,800 have not already and spread the word 2386 02:03:01,800 --> 02:03:06,480 about it and uh we're going to be uh 2387 02:03:06,480 --> 02:03:09,560 capturing the results of those uh of the 2388 02:03:09,560 --> 02:03:12,599 survey responses and and formulating 2389 02:03:12,599 --> 02:03:15,840 recommendations for the master plan um 2390 02:03:15,840 --> 02:03:17,760 based on on what we Insight we glean 2391 02:03:17,760 --> 02:03:19,960 from that survey as well 2392 02:03:19,960 --> 02:03:23,280 um and the the next meeting which hasn't 2393 02:03:23,280 --> 02:03:26,679 been planned yet will be for us to share 2394 02:03:26,679 --> 02:03:28,880 preliminary initial thinking about 2395 02:03:28,880 --> 02:03:30,920 master plan recommendations to hear some 2396 02:03:30,920 --> 02:03:32,679 further feedback and discussion on those 2397 02:03:32,679 --> 02:03:34,239 things I I don't think that we'll be at 2398 02:03:34,239 --> 02:03:36,560 the stage where we share a draft master 2399 02:03:36,560 --> 02:03:38,159 plan publicly or anything like that I 2400 02:03:38,159 --> 02:03:39,360 think it's going to be kind of in the 2401 02:03:39,360 --> 02:03:40,960 midst of that process we'll share kind 2402 02:03:40,960 --> 02:03:43,119 of our initial thoughts publicly at a 2403 02:03:43,119 --> 02:03:45,840 forum um and then from there we'll wrap 2404 02:03:45,840 --> 02:03:48,559 up the master plan so that that that'll 2405 02:03:48,559 --> 02:03:50,040 be in the the coming months and and 2406 02:03:50,040 --> 02:03:51,320 you'll hear about that when that meeting 2407 02:03:51,320 --> 02:03:54,079 is planned so we'll stick around for for 2408 02:03:54,079 --> 02:03:56,599 a while longer and please uh stay if you 2409 02:03:56,599 --> 02:03:58,800 want and um you can come talk to any of 2410 02:03:58,800 --> 02:04:01,000 us and we'll be here for a little while 2411 02:04:01,000 --> 02:04:01,800 thank 2412 02:04:01,800 --> 02:04:05,199 you thank you everybody yeah we'll be 2413 02:04:05,199 --> 02:04:07,000 around so if you wanna if you want to 2414 02:04:07,000 --> 02:04:08,760 wait and have conversations I'll I'll be 2415 02:04:08,760 --> 02:04:10,559 here for a little bit myself and thank 2416 02:04:10,559 --> 02:04:14,910 you GZA team and and park 2417 02:04:14,920 --> 02:04:17,800 sta it's all 2418 02:04:17,800 --> 02:04:24,030 right 2419 02:04:24,040 --> 02:04:33,069 so 2420 02:04:33,079 --> 02:04:36,079 I