[1:48] 
[2:06] Thank you.
[2:07] There are a couple of members
who were off this trial
[2:10] traveling.
[2:11] So there are a few people who
may be joining us remotely
[2:19] Councilmember johnston,
would you please lead
[2:20] us in the pledge of Allegiance?
[2:23] OK.
[2:24] Good bye out of the
United States of America
[2:27] and to the Republic for which
it stands, One nation under God
[2:32] indivisible, with liberty
and justice for all.
[2:36] Thank you The first part
of business is approval
[2:41] of the minutes Are there any
corrections to the August
[2:43] 3rd 20 26 minutes ?
[2:48] Council member stall may have a
motion to approve the minutes.
[2:52] Mr. Mayor, I'm having trouble
pulling up the script.
[2:57] Could somebody else do
that for me instead?
[3:00] Please?
[3:00] Certainly.
[3:01] I move to approve
the August 3rd,
[3:03] 2026, regular meeting minutes
as submitted We have a second.
[3:08] Thank you, Madam
deputy City Clerk.
[3:12] Please call the vote I'm sorry.
[3:18] Who is the second on that?
[3:19] Nelson Thank you
Council member Johnston.
[3:24] Yes.
[3:25] Council Member Nelson Yes.
[3:27] Council Member.
[3:28] Doyle.
[3:28] Yes.
[3:29] Council Member.
[3:30] Stall Yes Council Member.
[3:33] Wisner Yeah.
[3:35] Council member.
[3:36] Metzger Council Member.
[3:41] Schneiderman Yes.
[3:43] And Council member Nicole is
not logged in at this time.
[3:46] The member Barnicle
is right here.
[3:48] Yes, she's present.
[3:49] Can you hear?
[3:50] Yes, Thank you.
[3:51] The motion passes Thank you
Public comment is limited
[3:57] to a discussion of items
that are not on the council
[3:59] agenda for a total of 15 minutes
and set forth in the printed
[4:02] agenda which also provides
that anyone wish to speak
[4:05] will be limited to three
minutes per person.
[4:07] I will call on those who signed
the public comment sheet first
[4:15] We have one person signed
up Hilary Chen would
[4:19] you please come forward
and give us your name
[4:21] and address for the record
Oh, it's my first time doing
[4:27] this mine to One of my
name is Hilary ching C g
[4:34] And I'm here on behalf of
my parents, who are at 43,
[4:38] 98, South Alton Street
Is that what you need it?
[4:41] Whoever it was asking
you may proceed.
[4:44] OK Well, I am actually
here to discuss the measure
[4:49] on the green with
the village greens
[4:51] park parking lot expansion for
triggering high school I'm just.
[4:55] I know that I'm probably
late to the game,
[4:57] but I would just like
to speak my piece.
[5:01] I'm here As a
Cherry Creek alumni,
[5:04] I'm here and against the
village green park expansion.
[5:07] And I wanted to talk about
three small but mighty things
[5:11] Oh oh, okay First, I wanted
to talk about inconvenience
[5:16] because I do feel like we have
forgotten the value of being
[5:20] inconvenienced We live in a
culture that treats friction
[5:24] as a problem to be engineered
away with same day delivery Door
[5:28] to door.
[5:28] Everything And we've
gotten so good at removing
[5:31] small inconveniences that we've
started to treat any convenience
[5:35] as an immediate emergency
requiring correction
[5:39] So when we're asked to
permanent remove a park
[5:42] or remove a park for ten years
past, most of your ten years,
[5:46] I think to save 190 students and
inconvenience of parking It's
[5:52] a big ask.
[5:53] It's okay for students
to ride the school
[5:55] bus to carpool to bike
ride or to walk to school.
[6:00] So I'd ask this board to
consider if this is actually
[6:03] a parking problem
or we can't tolerate
[6:06] a small intervening problem
because only one of these
[6:10] requires us to bulldoze a
space I'd also ask if we could
[6:14] publicly make known the safety
studies that were involved
[6:18] for this parking measure.
[6:20] We're asking 198
new teens to come
[6:24] in and out of a really small
nook in our community in a.
[6:27] That was never built
for that type of volume.
[6:30] 16 and 17 year olds
have, without a doubt,
[6:32] the highest crash rate of
any age group in this nation.
[6:35] So I would like that
to be considered
[6:37] for the safety of our
community And lastly, I
[6:41] would like to know if there were
environmental impact studies
[6:44] done for this parking measure
We're asking in the middle
[6:47] of a drought in the.
[6:49] You know, we're we're
under 20% water restriction
[6:51] zones to rip out grass and
trees natural resources
[6:55] for our beautiful community,
things that are cooling our air
[6:59] and recharging groundwater
This isn't just about a park.
[7:03] It's a health measure and a
public safety consideration
[7:07] If you look at any city in
this country that is thriving,
[7:10] that people want to live in, you
will not find them tearing out
[7:13] a park to build a parking
lot Look at any strong school
[7:17] district a school district.
[7:18] Our kids would be proud
to attend that are
[7:21] doing just the opposite.
[7:23] They're creating adding
parks, protecting green spaces
[7:26] because we know it's an asset
that once we build over it,
[7:29] we will not get back.
[7:31] Greenwood Village, as
progressive as we say we are,
[7:34] should be moving in
that direction as well.
[7:36] Thank you Thank you
very much Normally,
[7:40] there's no comments, bye.
[7:42] Would just like to let you know
that that park is not owned
[7:47] by the city It is owned by
this is due by the Cherry Creek
[7:51] School District And so the
Cherry Creek School District
[7:54] is the proprietor
and made the decision
[7:57] that they were
going to change it
[7:58] from Parkland to a parking lot.
[8:01] Current we are publicly
funded school as well.
[8:05] So i would think that
we have some supporters
[8:09] in unfortunately not.
[8:11] You know it Is there anyone
here who would like also like
[8:18] to speak that did not sign up
and moving on council will now
[8:26] conduct a quasi judicial
hearing regarding
[8:29] cases number of dash 20 6-00017
and P.S. dash 20 6-000 26.
[8:38] For a special use permit
and site development plan
[8:40] for Grace chapel to repurpose
an existing building and parking
[8:44] lot for a place of worship
and Event Center at 8500
[8:48] East Orchard Road Copies of
the public hearing procedure
[8:52] are on the table outside
the entrance of the room.
[8:54] The council will hear and
consider any testimony
[8:57] or evidence presented.
[8:58] Those desiring to
speak should have
[9:00] sign their names on the sign
in sheet, which i now have.
[9:04] I remind everyone that they will
be sworn in before testifying
[9:07] Will the City Attorney
please address
[9:09] the question of the
Council's jurisdiction
[9:11] and to conduct this hearing?
[9:13] Thank you, Mayor
I have before me
[9:16] an affidavit labeled as
exhibit A, which indicates
[9:22] that a notice of the
date, time, place
[9:24] and purpose of this hearing, as
published on the city's website,
[9:26] at least 15 days
preceding this hearing
[9:29] as required by the Greenwood
village Municipal Code and i.
[9:33] Offer into evidence
that affidavit
[9:35] as proof of such publication
publication of such notice.
[9:39] Secondly I have before me an
affidavit indicating that notice
[9:43] of this hearing was also posted
on the property for a period
[9:46] of at least 15 continuous
days prior to this hearing
[9:50] and offer that affidavit it into
evidence as Exhibit B Third.
[9:54] I have before me an affidavit of
mailing indicating that notice
[9:58] of the date, time, place,
and purpose of this hearing
[10:01] was also sent by mail
to property owners
[10:03] as outlined in the municipal
code of the city Per This type
[10:06] of application and at least
15 days prior to this hearing
[10:10] And offer into evidence
that affidavit as Exhibit
[10:13] C from my examination of
the file and the documents
[10:17] mentioned just now,
it's my opinion
[10:19] that the Council has
jurisdiction to proceed
[10:21] with this public hearing.
[10:23] Thank you.
[10:23] Mr. City Attorney.
[10:24] Exhibits A, B, and c are
accepting that evidence
[10:27] and are made a part of
the record of this hearing
[10:29] And I asked the
city's representative
[10:31] to describe the request
location of the property
[10:34] and provide any other pertinent
information before the applicant
[10:37] presents their case I request
that the city council hold
[10:41] any questions until after
the applicant completes
[10:45] their presentation Would you
please introduce yourself
[10:50] and give us your address?
[10:51] Grady Timmerman 66
South Quebec Street,
[10:54] Greenwood village, Colorado.
[10:55] 80111.
[10:57] Which can only Do you
swear to tell the truth,
[10:58] the whole truth I do.
[10:59] Thank you.
[11:00] Please proceed.
[11:02] Thank you.
[11:02] Honorable Mayor and
members of City Council.
[11:04] I'm grady Timmerman, planner to.
[11:06] And tonight I will be presenting
case number 26 dash 17 and 26.
[11:10] DoorDash 26.
[11:11] Especially use permit and site
own plan at 8500 East Orchard
[11:15] Road, the applicant is Doug
Spiller with Back architecture,
[11:21] the applicant is requesting
a special use permit and site
[11:24] development plan to allow
Grace Chapel to establish
[11:26] a place of worship use with an
auditorium sized to allow up
[11:30] to a thousand seats in the
existing building 8500 East
[11:36] Orchard Road is the
old chapter's building
[11:38] and current booth farm The
zoning in their properties
[11:40] mixed commercial and is
located in their state
[11:42] corner planning area.
[11:43] The Comprehensive Plan adjacent
properties to the north
[11:46] south and east are also zoned.
[11:48] AMC adjacent uses
include I-25 right away.
[11:51] Office and Research
and Development
[11:57] Here are some site photos.
[11:58] And so the existing conditions
of the property both photos are
[12:01] of the boot barn with
the photo on the left
[12:03] is taken while looking south,
while the photo on the right
[12:06] was taken.
[12:06] We're looking east
The existing building
[12:11] is proposed to be repurposed
with the following
[12:13] modifications.
[12:14] The building will be repaired
and repainted A new storefront
[12:18] will an entry will be installed
and new rooftop screening will
[12:22] be constructed to screen roof
top equipment The Color Material
[12:26] Board identifies terracotta
tiles, corrugated steel, roof
[12:29] decking, painted
finishes and storefront
[12:31] glazing The proposed landscaping
includes adding 21 new trees
[12:38] across five species to
the existing 44 trees
[12:41] that will be retained More
than 305 gallon shrubs.
[12:45] An evergreen shrub plantings are
proposed to soften the exterior
[12:48] of the new trash
enclosure Open space
[12:51] is proposed to nearly
double with an increase
[12:52] from 10.9% to 20%.
[12:58] Moving on to lighting the
Photometric plan in the Esdp
[13:00] meets all the requirements of
the MDP and lBC with respect
[13:03] to height color, temperature,
and brightness Next,
[13:10] we have access and parking The
subject property is access from
[13:14] the existing drive accesses
along south Wabash Way per
[13:22] section 16 dash 21 5:30 places
of worship require one parking
[13:26] space per for seats in the
sanctuary The proposal includes
[13:30] 250 standard spaces win 250 is
required by the LDC and they are
[13:35] proposing five accessible spaces
regarding traffic impacts That
[13:41] is not anticipating any
significant impacts to traffic
[13:45] due to offset peak
travel times Public
[13:48] works staff completed a review
of the traffic impact study.
[13:50] And concurs with the methodology
assumptions and conclusions
[13:53] presented.
[13:55] Staff finds that the proposed
development can be accommodated
[13:57] by the existing and planned
transportation network
[14:00] and does not require
transportation mitigation
[14:02] beyond improvements
already identified
[14:04] as a part of the city's long
range transportation planning
[14:07] efforts Regarding the aCP review
criteria for the development
[14:13] of the site, as was outlined
in the staff report staff
[14:16] finds all four of the criteria
in the affirmative Staff
[14:19] finds that places of worship
are a use permitted in the mixed
[14:21] commercial zone district in
accordance with the special use
[14:24] permit and staff finds that
the proposal provides improved
[14:27] landscaping and open
space parking that meets l
[14:30] d C's ratio for the
proposed seating
[14:32] capacity with the required
number of accessible spaces.
[14:36] Buildings setbacks, far
exceeding minimums and all sides
[14:39] and renovated building elevate
elevations with screened rooftop
[14:43] equipment consistent with
the siting design standards
[14:45] of the ALDC regarding
the steep review criteria
[14:51] as was outlined in the staff
report staff on all five
[14:54] of the criteria in
the affirmative Staff
[14:56] finds that the request to
repurpose the existing building
[14:58] for a place of worship is
consistent with the interstate
[15:01] planning area's vision of a mix
of low to mid density office,
[15:05] institutional and civic uses.
[15:08] This would be classified as
an institutional use Next step
[15:11] finds the development to be
compatible with surrounding
[15:13] commercial the surrounding,
commercial and office contacts
[15:17] with active activity
occurring outside
[15:20] of the employment districts.
[15:21] Business hours Staff also finds
that the development mitigates
[15:26] its impacts to those
as there is no change
[15:29] to building height or massing.
[15:31] So view corridors
are in affected
[15:33] and property value should
be positively impacted
[15:35] by the renovation
of the building
[15:37] with the substantial
improvement to site
[15:39] landscaping and open space.
[15:42] Lastly, staff finds
that the development
[15:43] is in conformance with
the standards set forth
[15:45] in the MGP and the general
development objectives set forth
[15:48] in the site and design
standards of building
[15:50] C based on the review criteria.
[15:56] Findings staff recommends
that City Council
[15:58] approve the ACP in step
per section 16 dash
[16:01] to 70 F. City council.
[16:05] So determine whether the ACP
sale be transferable to other
[16:08] owners and shall make such
determination on a condition
[16:11] of approval and
august 4th, 2026,
[16:15] the planning zoning Commission
recommended approval for both
[16:17] the ACP and a steep
Thank you for your time,
[16:22] and I will now turn
it over to Doug
[16:24] Spiller for his presentation.
[16:25] Staff will remain available
for questions Thank
[16:29] you Would you please
give us your name
[16:33] and address for the record?
[16:36] Yes, my name is Doug
Spieler Excuse me.
[16:40] A tenant on 17th Street,
Suite P L Hundreds in Denver.
[16:46] 80202 Coy Williams
Address is 6200.
[16:52] South Syracuse way
Suite 308 Greenwood
[16:55] village 80111 East Where to
tell the truth All truth.
[17:00] Yes, sir Please proceed We did
do Josh to Can we swear in One
[17:08] more member of our project team
who certainly can do that now
[17:11] or later, if he gets Good
evening Good to see you again,
[17:17] Council mayor.
[17:18] And in Joshua island, 1199
91 to run court and luxury
[17:22] Colorado to swear
to tell the truth.
[17:24] The whole truth.
[17:25] I swear to tell the
truth Thank you.
[17:26] Please proceed.
[17:27] Proceed Gentlemen
Thank you, Will.
[17:30] Good evening.
[17:31] Distinguished members of this
city council, as mentioned
[17:35] my name is Doug Spieler,
representing back But
[17:37] more importantly is the
applicant on behalf of Grace
[17:39] Chapel tonight, along with my
consulting partner, Coy Williams
[17:43] and Kimberly Horn, we
promise to provide a brief
[17:46] and I'll emphasize brief
overview of the project.
[17:48] And really are very prepared
to answer questions.
[17:52] We first wish to thank the
Greenwood village staff as we
[17:55] began this journey
together over 13 months ago
[17:58] throughout the entire
process, they have been.
[18:01] Simply wonderful to work with.
[18:02] And we greatly
appreciate their efforts,
[18:04] most namely grady Timmerman,
Derek sturtz and Derek Holcomb
[18:09] at this time.
[18:10] Again, we'd like to
reintroduce Pastor Josh Weidman
[18:12] senior pastor of
Grace Chapel, who
[18:14] provided good of an overview.
[18:15] Before we get into
our present please.
[18:18] It's great to be with you,
and I'm excited to talk
[18:20] to you about this project.
[18:21] I grew up in South Denver.
[18:23] I was born in Air Force Academy
base as a baby in Abilene, Texas
[18:28] But Denver is what I know
and i love South Denver.
[18:31] And I remember as a child
driving on the highway
[18:34] looking at the shuffler sign
and remembering this building
[18:37] with my brother in the back
of our old Dodge minivan,
[18:40] thinking, what's
it like in there?
[18:41] That's where the Cowboys go.
[18:43] And especially that
simpler sign that
[18:45] is still iconic to this day.
[18:47] I never thought I'd
be standing here
[18:49] tonight before a city council
thinking that we'd be doing
[18:51] something in that building.
[18:52] But I'm excited for what we
plan to do in that building,
[18:55] and I'm hopeful that
you'll support us
[18:56] in this venture I want
to tell you a little bit
[18:59] about who we are as a church.
[19:00] I want to tell you
what we're about
[19:02] And I want I want to explain
to you why we believe
[19:04] that this building
is the best building
[19:06] for our future ministry.
[19:09] Great job.
[19:09] It was founded in
1979, in south Denver.
[19:12] We were started in the
mortuary and then soon
[19:15] bought our building in 1985.
[19:18] Outgrew that After
building the second story,
[19:20] moved back into a
school and through one
[19:23] of the purchase of a property.
[19:24] And finally ended
up at our property.
[19:26] We've been there since 1995.
[19:28] Located at 8505 South Valley
Highway just off the highway
[19:32] across from Park Meadows on the
other the east side of I-25 We
[19:37] understand what it's like
to be on the highway We also
[19:40] understand what it's like to
rehabilitate an old building We
[19:44] bought an old car
dealership, almost
[19:46] the same square footage Our
current property is 85,000ft².
[19:51] And it was the low paying
property as a car dealership
[19:54] far before Park
Meadows broke ground.
[19:56] We actually moved in the
year that they broke ground.
[20:00] We have been there
for over 30 years.
[20:02] And we have a design
here to serve South
[20:05] Denver That's why we exist.
[20:07] We're almost 50 years old as
a church or non-denominational
[20:11] or a Bible teaching church.
[20:12] And our mission is simple.
[20:14] It's to lead people to find and
follow Jesus That's why we exist
[20:18] But we don't want
to just focus inward
[20:20] We don't just
focus on our people
[20:22] But we know the Bible commands
us to love our neighbors
[20:25] and we take that
command very seriously
[20:27] And we would love to
join Greenwood Village
[20:29] and love on this city and love
on the people that are here.
[20:32] What does it look like for
us to love our neighbors?
[20:34] Well, for 45 years
we've been doing
[20:36] that with quite
a bit of practice
[20:38] We've partnered with Douglas
County, the Maine county
[20:40] that we've been in for almost
the whole of our existence,
[20:43] especially on our
current property.
[20:45] We serve those in need.
[20:46] We've provided space for their
police departments and fire
[20:50] departments to do drills and
have meetings Six years ago,
[20:55] I was able to found
a ANU Counseling
[20:57] center, a free
counseling center,
[20:59] to help those with mental health
issues at no cost to anyone
[21:02] in the community Anyone can
apply for free counseling
[21:05] at our counseling center
for our apartment neighbors.
[21:08] We've held taco truck nights,
free community nights for them,
[21:12] welcome gifts for residents who
are moving into the apartments
[21:15] and for the public.
[21:16] We've continued to do
festivals and events that
[21:18] love on the public and make
this a place where people
[21:20] like to come and feel welcomed.
[21:22] I also think you should
know that over 20%
[21:24] of our budget,
everything that comes in
[21:27] goes right back out our doors.
[21:29] We spend it on the community
or we spend it on efforts
[21:32] worldwide to impact people
We've loved doing that
[21:35] for Douglas County
but I would love to do
[21:38] that for Greenwood Village.
[21:39] We would love to be here
and to love on your people
[21:42] I love to take an old
landmark and give it new life,
[21:47] and that's been an
important building building.
[21:49] I remember, like I said,
since i was a child.
[21:51] So it was has history has
been a part of this community.
[21:54] And we would love to bring
something to that space
[21:58] for the next generation.
[21:59] Think of it like taking
a sports historic space
[22:02] and giving it some
kind of holy purpose.
[22:05] Our vision is not just a
Sunday space for gathering.
[22:08] We want to build a place
where Greenwood Village would
[22:11] be served Seven days a week.
[22:12] We want to have a public coffee
shop that's open for people
[22:15] to come in to work in
for co-working space,
[22:18] for other business
people, residents,
[22:20] commuters, professionals.
[22:22] We want to still offer a free
counseling center continuing
[22:25] to do the work that
we've been doing,
[22:27] counseling people for free,
helping people in crisis.
[22:30] So that's our heart.
[22:31] And then we want to still have
community events and service
[22:34] projects, things that we
love on local businesses
[22:37] and the local residents.
[22:39] Again, we've been visible
on i-25 for 30 years.
[22:41] We know what it's like to be
kind of the face of a community
[22:45] on the highway across from
a prominent shopping mall
[22:48] and we believe that we
can do that even better
[22:50] We're located on the
highway in Greenwood Village
[22:53] and represent this city.
[22:55] Well.
[22:55] I've taken time to
study your core values.
[22:57] I see your core
values of quality
[22:59] of life and economic vitality,
thoughtful development
[23:02] And we believe that
we can contribute
[23:04] to all Three of these things.
[23:06] Our coffee shop.
[23:07] And our counseling
center will provide
[23:09] practical support to people.
[23:12] Obviously But then
people that will come
[23:14] will support the
local businesses.
[23:16] We believe that our
events will enhance
[23:19] not detract from
the neighborhood
[23:22] We want it to enhance it.
[23:23] Again, we bring 30 years
of being of experience,
[23:27] of being in a highly
visible location,
[23:28] and we want to take
all that we've learned
[23:30] and use it here in
this place Also,
[23:34] this community has been a
village, has been a launching
[23:37] pad to worldwide business
containing headquarters
[23:40] for major major companies.
[23:42] Think about empower or
Red Robin or you have some
[23:46] of these other big companies
that have launched from here,
[23:49] we want to be a launching place,
a headquarters of sorts We're
[23:52] not here to build
a megachurch I've
[23:54] worked for a large
megachurch in Chicago.
[23:56] I don't want to
host that I don't
[23:58] want to be the pastor of that.
[23:59] But i'd rather be as
headquartered the plants
[24:01] churches all over the world,
perhaps at least nationally
[24:07] And we think that we can do
that with this being kind
[24:10] of our headquarters and
a ministry that reaches
[24:12] other people One more thing
that I want to mention
[24:14] is the Grace Chapel
has been debt free.
[24:16] When I took the pastorate
in 2015, we did have that.
[24:20] I made it my goal
to make us debt
[24:21] free within the first two
years, we did it less than that.
[24:24] And we plan to stay.
[24:25] Debt free the best we can.
[24:27] Just like greenwood Village,
I know that we're not a tax
[24:30] income revenue source for you.
[24:32] I understand that.
[24:33] But I believe that
what we will bring
[24:34] will be better than
any tax revenue You're
[24:37] a wealthy county wealthy city.
[24:39] You've been able to
live like us that free
[24:42] and have money in the bank.
[24:44] I think what we will
bring to you will
[24:45] be far greater than anything
the tax revenue could bring
[24:48] at this location
I promise you we
[24:50] won't be a burden We
want to be a blessing
[24:53] and i know that change can
feel uncertain for the church
[24:55] on the highway as a face of
your city could feel uncertain.
[24:59] But i want you to know this.
[25:00] We're not here to
disrupt community.
[25:02] We're here to enhance it
We're here to serve you.
[25:05] And I hope as the senior leader
of this church, that we will i
[25:09] will say we will do
everything we can to make sure
[25:12] that Greenwood village is
an even better place to live
[25:15] with better quality of
life, not just on Sundays,
[25:17] but every single day.
[25:19] Because Grace Chapel
calls it our home.
[25:21] So thank You.
[25:22] And we'd love the chance
to be in your city.
[25:25] Thank you thank
you, Pastor Weidman.
[25:29] I also have a very
brief anecdote
[25:31] and just wanted to
share personally
[25:33] that in 1980, my family and I
moved here to Colorado from New
[25:37] Jersey Yes, New Jersey
Hey, as an 11 year old,
[25:42] I remember vividly getting
my very first cowboy hat.
[25:46] We got it from shoppers.
[25:48] 46 years later, as an
architect, what an honor
[25:52] it is to be in front of
you all this evening.
[25:54] And this fine community
to help breathe new life
[25:57] into this old landmark again.
[26:02] We promised that we
would remain brief.
[26:05] This evening We did want to
begin to to at least address
[26:11] this revitalization
project, which we believe
[26:13] meets the intent of
the comprehensive plan
[26:16] goals for Greenwood Village.
[26:18] In summation, number one,
to promote and maintain
[26:21] safety and security.
[26:23] This project will
enhance community safety
[26:26] by putting more
eyes on the street
[26:28] As Pastor Josh mentioned through
the coffee shop and counseling
[26:31] center in particular.
[26:33] Number two, to promote
well-maintained built
[26:36] natural environments,
this project
[26:37] will renovate the
built environment
[26:40] and increase the
natural environment.
[26:43] Number three, to
promote high quality
[26:45] aesthetic this
project will enhance
[26:47] the aesthetic quality
by building and adding
[26:51] glazing to the front facade.
[26:53] The West facade and essentially
opening the building up
[26:56] to the community.
[26:58] Fourthly, to present promote
learning opportunities
[27:02] This project will provide Dale
key learning opportunities
[27:05] in a variety of programming.
[27:07] Really as a community
resource Fifth, to promote
[27:11] and accessible village.
[27:13] This project will enhance the
accessibility both of the site.
[27:16] And of the existing building.
[27:18] And then lastly, to promote
responsive stewardship.
[27:23] This project will display
stewardship and sustainability
[27:27] by its nature as an
adaptive reuse building
[27:30] the most green building
that we can build
[27:32] is the one that we renovate.
[27:34] And again, we're proposing
this renovation not only of
[27:37] the building and parking
lot for church use,
[27:40] but again, in the
spirit of this church
[27:44] being deeply community,
facing nearly every part
[27:47] of this proposed project would
be used to serve the growth,
[27:50] the broader public, not just for
religious gatherings but also
[27:54] for practical include some
purposes throughout the week
[28:04] and ducted did a great
job of outlining,
[28:07] but wanted to highlight
some of the site
[28:08] development plan and
special use permit criteria.
[28:11] So as we look at the site
development plan criteria
[28:13] for the code 16 to 50,
whether the development is
[28:17] in conformance with
the comprehensive plan,
[28:20] as mentioned previously, we
do believe that it will foster
[28:23] community for residents
As an owner and operator
[28:26] the Church does take great pride
in the landscape and the upkeep
[28:29] of their building.
[28:30] They are not Alessi
or tenant operator,
[28:33] so they do take great
pride in the upkeep of it.
[28:35] They have a great ground crew
staff that that does a great job
[28:39] And then lastly, to promote
leisure and learning
[28:41] opportunities by welcoming
people into the building
[28:43] through a coffee shop.
[28:45] I personally work in the
village and we utilize a coffee
[28:47] shop that's that
is in the St Thomas
[28:49] More building almost daily.
[28:52] So it is a huge amenity for
folks that work in the village,
[28:55] something that residents.
[28:56] I think would really
resonate with.
[29:00] Second, whether the
development is compatible
[29:01] with the surrounding land uses.
[29:03] SF mentioned the surrounding
land uses are primarily
[29:05] office buildings high
density residential
[29:08] and we believe that this
fits in really well with that
[29:11] welcoming in the
community Third,
[29:13] whether the development
adequately mitigates,
[29:16] mitigates any adverse impact.
[29:17] It causes including without
limitation, adverse impacts
[29:20] on traffic view corridors
noise, property values
[29:23] and the provision of
public services as stone,
[29:26] as shown in the traffic study
prepared by Kimberly Horn.
[29:28] The traffic impacts do
not trigger any proposed
[29:31] improvements on
the roadway Network
[29:33] and the surrounding
roadway Network maintains
[29:35] acceptable levels of service.
[29:38] One access point on the
northwest corner of the property
[29:41] was deemed unsafe
during the review
[29:43] and is actually being removed as
part of the project due to site
[29:46] visibility triangles Fourth,
whether the development is
[29:50] in conformance with the
development criteria
[29:52] restrictions and standards
set forth in the MDP,
[29:55] the restrictions by
the Dtcc have been met
[29:58] and we have been granted
a landscape variance
[30:00] by them from 30 down to 20%.
[30:03] We are more than doubling
the landscape percentage
[30:05] though on the property.
[30:07] Fifth, whether
the development is
[30:09] in conformance with the
general development objectives
[30:12] objections, objectives,
and six 2120
[30:15] are met with no requests
or modifications.
[30:18] Disruption to the
existing terrain.
[30:20] As Doug mentioned is minimized.
[30:21] We have reduced the disturbed
area to less than one
[30:24] acre outside of the building
and we are keeping the existing
[30:27] building pedestrian pedestrian
circulation is improved
[30:30] within the site by improving ADA
accessibility sidewalks exterior
[30:35] landscaping is upgraded and the
building is significant Enhanced
[30:38] with the revised architecture.
[30:41] Sixth, in cases involve
parcels with 1 or 2
[30:44] where either the parks trails
and Recreation Commission
[30:46] has reviewed the proposal.
[30:48] The property is
not zoned o 1 or 2,
[30:50] so it is not applicable next
to the special use permit.
[30:54] Appreciate it.
[30:54] Is generally very similar
criteria but number one
[30:58] is expressly allowed is
a special use district.
[31:00] A place of worship is expressly
allowed as a special use
[31:03] district in the AMC
zone District Second
[31:06] is compatible with the
surrounding land uses.
[31:08] As we mentioned, it is high
density residential primarily
[31:10] with office and we believe
that we do fit in very well
[31:13] with the surrounding land uses.
[31:16] Third, adequately mitigates
adverse impact to its causes,
[31:19] including without limitation and
adverse impacts on traffic view
[31:22] corridors, noise, property
values and the provision
[31:24] of public services as
previously mentioned,
[31:27] the traffic study does not
show any proposed improvements
[31:30] required The Roadway
Network maintains
[31:32] acceptable levels of service.
[31:33] And we are closing
the one access
[31:35] point due to safety concerns.
[31:37] And fourth is properly designed
with regard to landscaping,
[31:40] open space, parking
setbacks and building
[31:42] elevations and objectives.
[31:44] In 16 2120 are met with no
requests for modifications,
[31:48] disruption of the
existing terrain
[31:49] is minimized
Landscaping has almost
[31:52] been doubled across the
entire property with
[31:55] enhanced landscaping across.
[31:56] While we are also trying to
maintain the existing tree
[31:59] canopy where possible for the
trees that are in good health
[32:03] And lastly, the building
design to significantly enhance
[32:06] with revised architecture.
[32:07] I will turn it back over to
Doug for site conditions Again,
[32:15] our emphasis tonight
is, to be brief.
[32:17] Will spend the next
couple of minutes
[32:20] just talking a little bit about
the specifics of the project
[32:22] here First of all, just looking
here at the existing conditions
[32:28] sites are obviously bounded
on I-25 to the west Wabash
[32:31] to the north and
willow to the east.
[32:33] It's approximately 4.8
acres, about 210,000ft².
[32:38] And again, as Corey mentioned,
we believe that the current
[32:40] access points and general
site circulation flow are very
[32:44] conducive to this new
proposed use As mentioned,
[32:47] we are intending to close the
north West access point finally,
[32:53] as a survey also indicates,
the site contains one single
[32:56] building of approximately
59,000ft² and three and three
[33:01] parking stalls There goes from a
landscape planning standpoint we
[33:11] propose to increase the
landscape areas and and the open
[33:15] space and essentially reduce
the parking count to 250 stalls.
[33:20] We believe that this count does
adequately meet the city parking
[33:23] requirements of one space
for every four seats
[33:26] in the sanctuary.
[33:27] And again, right now, church is
targeting a 1000 seat capacity.
[33:32] So the 250 stalls do
meet the city code
[33:36] And then, of note is the large
green space to the northeast
[33:40] A new notable
playground right really
[33:43] at the front door of the
building from an open space
[33:49] planning standpoint,
as we mentioned,
[33:51] the additional landscape areas
to be added, which we believe
[33:56] are again, going to slightly
exceed the 20% open space
[33:59] requirements.
[34:01] And again, we will
actually be more
[34:02] than doubling the current open
space just under ten, 10.9%.
[34:08] Currently, additional Lee We
are well below the parking max
[34:12] coverage of 40% as we
are just barely at 22
[34:21] As we move into the
floor plan diagram
[34:24] terms as you'll well
be aware, the site
[34:27] falls from west to east.
[34:29] And it does provide
a very nice grid
[34:32] condition here on the
east side of the project.
[34:34] Looking at the lower level, we
do intend to remove the existing
[34:38] dark That existing
dock was never
[34:41] part of the original
construction
[34:43] and does not fit
aesthetically in ten.
[34:45] Instead, we intend to replace
it with a staff entrance
[34:49] and you'll see in our elevations
is a nice addition of glazing
[34:53] in its place The main
floor of the building
[35:01] is really the reactivation
of the of this main floor
[35:04] to both enhance security
and community We're locating
[35:09] the sanctuary right in the
heart of the floor plate
[35:13] allowing classrooms
along the east side
[35:16] to the administrative space and
counseling space in the read up
[35:21] along the north and west.
[35:23] And again the coffee shop
in the lower left which
[35:27] would be that southwest corner
as the roof plan indicates,
[35:36] we do intend to maintain
the existing building.
[35:39] The roof plan is showing new
and replaced mechanical screens
[35:43] around all existing equipment
as part of our commitment
[35:50] to high quality, aesthetic
we propose new windows
[35:54] along the north facade
and a substantial amount
[35:58] of glazing storefront glazing
So wide open stretches of glass
[36:02] along that western facade And
again, to allow the building
[36:06] to just be more approachable
and more outward
[36:09] facing as we move around
to the south facade
[36:14] again, much like we
were doing on the north,
[36:16] we proposed to
refinish the existing
[36:18] herringbone wood accent, which
wraps around the east facade
[36:22] as well,
[36:23] and the lower image shows the
east facade with new windows
[36:27] and that new storefront
added for the staff entrance
[36:33] for a materials standpoint, we
work very closely with staff as
[36:37] well as the Dtcc See HCC
to propose and maintain
[36:41] the existing terracotta
roof elements
[36:43] and essentially repaint much of
the remaining existing exterior
[36:48] We do plan to bring all
signage in to conform
[36:51] since with the current code
and look forward to working
[36:54] with staff and the Dtsc
SEC to finalize exterior
[36:58] signage Finally, as these
renderings show, we do intend
[37:06] to breathe new life into this
old landmark repositioning it
[37:11] as a vibrant community resource
We're really pleased to present
[37:15] this project,
[37:16] which we believe meets the
intent of the comprehensive plan
[37:19] for Greenwood Village
And finally, we
[37:21] want to emphasize that
we are requesting zero
[37:24] variances and zero exceptions.
[37:28] We do look forward to working
very closely with Greenwood
[37:30] Village to help
revitalize this very
[37:33] special place within the city.
[37:36] And again, we thank you.
[37:38] And thank staff and we would
love to answer questions
[37:45] as any member of Mr. Wiesner
Yes, I email staff and copies
[37:54] city Council on some questions.
[37:56] I have.
[37:58] And of course i've
got some more of that.
[38:01] Appreciate it.
[38:02] So reflecting back on
one of the other suppers
[38:04] that we had to approve that
was in the neighborhood zoning
[38:08] and it was a church.
[38:09] And then we put a school in
there and our commercial retail
[38:13] to a church and I want to
understand in that context
[38:18] a couple of things.
[38:19] One is on the ACP that we
approve for the school,
[38:23] we are very
descriptive in things
[38:26] that could and could not be
done such as hours of operation.
[38:31] And when the lights had
to go off externals sound
[38:35] whether they could rent
the facility or not
[38:39] I don't know if those items
need to be on this shop
[38:45] or because it's in a
different zoning district.
[38:48] They don't need to be on.
[38:50] It's My first question
Please state your name
[38:56] and my name is Derek steward.
[38:59] So for planning manager
6060 South Quebec Street,
[39:02] Greenwood Village 0111.
[39:04] Thanks for there to
tell the truth, I do.
[39:06] I do I swear to tell the truth
and nothing but the truth.
[39:09] Thank you for the question,
Councilmember Wiesner City
[39:14] Council can put
conditions on unless you
[39:17] p that would be a condition
that you would put on this plan.
[39:21] That would be recorded.
[39:22] I think there's a nuance
here about the s u p
[39:27] that you mentioned
before in this one.
[39:29] It's context within a
neighborhood versus the context
[39:32] here where it's in more
of a commercial corridor
[39:37] There was concerns on that
prior case where there was
[39:41] operational hours That was a
concern of the neighborhood
[39:44] the concern of
council, and that was
[39:46] put as a condition
on the use council
[39:50] does have the authority
to condition approval
[39:54] and that would be
put on the plans
[39:57] for the it's an SDB and
s u p if council deems
[40:02] those necessary that
are sure discretion
[40:05] If we don't put them
on there it would just
[40:09] go under the guidelines
of what the zoning is
[40:13] for that area versus,
let's say again,
[40:16] going back to the other ACP,
[40:18] you're in a residence
neighborhood.
[40:19] So in terms of lighting,
noise and all that,
[40:22] it's a lot stricter.
[40:23] So does that So the reason
we put those on that issue
[40:28] is because we needed
to be stricter because
[40:30] of the residential zoning So
do you see that as an issue
[40:34] with this ACP We do not OK.
[40:39] And that's because
the commercial zoning
[40:41] is a more I guess,
open to active
[40:47] cities that have more traffic
hours or sound lighting,
[40:52] etc. that a fair enough.
[40:55] That's completely fair.
[40:56] Councilmember that I think
Mr. Holcombe has something
[41:00] he wanted to add to that.
[41:02] Mr. Holcombe, would you
introduce yourself, please?
[41:04] Sure, Derek.
[41:05] I'll come.
[41:05] Community development Director.
[41:07] I agree.
[41:07] Is there an address, please?
[41:10] And Sure.
[41:11] Never done this 60 60
South Quebec Street.
[41:13] I do for him to tell the
truth, the whole truth,
[41:15] and nothing but the truth.
[41:16] Thank you.
[41:16] You.
[41:17] Well, make sure you remember
the address Yes, sir
[41:20] And as your director of
community development,
[41:22] I would not recommend placing
conditions on this plan
[41:25] because I don't
think it's necessary.
[41:27] I think it would be
onerous to enforce.
[41:29] And given the context, I
don't believe that it's
[41:33] going to add any value.
[41:34] We do have standards in our
code for lighting noise, access,
[41:38] traffic They've all
been reviewed as part
[41:40] of this proposal It's a lot
different context than Aspen
[41:43] Academy where I think
it was appropriate
[41:46] but I just don't
foresee it, adding
[41:49] any protections to the city.
[41:51] We don't already have
in the municipal code.
[41:53] So I would not suggest it
from a resource standpoint
[41:56] to have staff out there counting
cars and hours of operation
[42:00] and then I'm I'm not done yet.
[42:02] And so then on other
activity is right.
[42:09] So you know, we understand
the whole church point,
[42:12] but we're going to
have a coffee shop
[42:15] maybe some religious classes,
other classes I heard
[42:19] maybe some shared workspace.
[42:20] Is that all allowed
under the current zoning
[42:24] and would be allowed
under this aCP?
[42:27] Yes What you're
describing in the coffee
[42:30] shop and other activities
are allowed per the zoning.
[42:34] And so they could go
ahead and do that, okay?
[42:37] Yes, sir.
[42:38] So in other words, just
because you have an S u
[42:41] P doesn't mean you
still can't follow
[42:43] all of the other
allowable activities
[42:46] under the zoning Correct?
[42:49] OK.
[42:50] I mean, look one more time,
make sure I got everything.
[42:55] And i bought my First
cowboy stuff at shop last.
[43:00] But the One condition.
[43:01] I would put on aCP would be
to rip down the shepherd sign.
[43:06] I'm assuming that's something
we can put on as a condition You
[43:10] condition that I would defer to
the applicant on their intent
[43:14] for the sign I want it.
[43:17] So do I. You can his or Oakland.
[43:21] I'll recognize you
if you I'm fine.
[43:23] I'm done.
[43:24] OK Ms..
[43:28] Nelson I wonder if statement
and two quick questions.
[43:32] It's my understand knowing that
there are zero waivers needed.
[43:36] And there's zero
exceptions asked for.
[43:40] So it falls within
the ACP permissions
[43:46] for that particular
zoning district.
[43:48] Correct ?
[43:50] 100% correct.
[43:51] OK I would like to
clarify the issue.
[43:55] P is for the use Sorry,
where all the exceptions are.
[43:58] But otherwise, that's
a fair description.
[44:01] OK So they didn't they weren't
they were just coming to tell
[44:04] us what they're going to do.
[44:06] They haven't asked us to make
an exception or a variance Okay.
[44:10] Then i noted you're putting
a playground in front.
[44:16] Would that be something
The neighborhood kids,
[44:19] your apartment, kids could use?
[44:21] Because like, when we put a
basement academy that playground
[44:24] for security reasons was
cordoned off with this
[44:28] be accessible to
people walking right
[44:31] now it is not intended to be
okay for same security reasons.
[44:35] Okay.
[44:36] And then what is we've had some
issues with businesses running
[44:43] counseling services or the
people that are offering
[44:46] counseling Is it a one on
one religious counseling
[44:52] Is it mental health
counselor bullying?
[44:55] Is it what type
of what do you see
[44:58] is Yeah, it's biblical
counseling Okay.
[45:00] Counselors are certified
as biblical counselors
[45:03] by the Association
of Certified Okay.
[45:06] And we're insured
for all of that.
[45:08] And have all the proper people.
[45:09] Okay.
[45:10] I was just you know, I didn't
know what type you know,
[45:12] drug counts.
[45:13] You never know what form
counseling is going to take
[45:16] And that's permitted
with this as you paid.
[45:18] Correct.
[45:19] OK.
[45:19] That's all I have.
[45:21] Ms. Johnston, You have
parking and traffic.
[45:25] Just some clarification.
[45:27] So I guess in our code we
allow one spot for parishioners
[45:32] or and that's like
our church code
[45:35] or is it something more
standard than that Yeah, that's
[45:41] what our code
requires is one one
[45:44] parking space per four seats at
worship for religious uses Okay.
[45:48] And then on certain holidays,
I know that some churches get
[45:53] overflow So I wondered if
that had been accounted
[45:57] for in your place and i
think some of those roads
[46:01] could be worked on,
but I'm not sure
[46:03] So it's an open ended
question for anyone
[46:05] to answer My advice we
would defer to the applicant
[46:10] on their intent and plans.
[46:12] I think you have some other.
[46:13] Yes, we've been
doing holidays, you
[46:15] know, Easter and
Christmas specific week
[46:17] for a very long time.
[46:18] We usually run multiple extra
services because of that.
[46:23] So we're not just having usually
our only our regular services
[46:28] for Christmas Eve.
[46:28] We may run three for five
different services to ensure
[46:32] that people can
get a seat and that
[46:33] there is a parking spot if Mr..
[46:40] Doyle Yeah.
[46:41] Thank you.
[46:42] I have several questions and
I'd like to mostly follow up
[46:48] on the signage question
So the Scheffler sign
[46:53] is by quite historic,
but it's also quite large
[46:58] Is the plan to keep it as it is,
or is there a plan for the sign
[47:07] Can I speak to that?
[47:08] Of course our desire
would be to keep it
[47:11] but as it is, we realize that
we would not be able to make it
[47:14] Grace Chapel or something We
think there's a historic value
[47:18] It's been there since 1977.
[47:20] It's notable People know it.
[47:22] People love it We like to
keep we like to maintain it.
[47:26] We'd like to upkeep it.
[47:27] We'd like to kind of
revitalize it, if you will.
[47:30] We've even talked about
some kind of historic plaque
[47:32] that would be at the bottom
of it that says this was
[47:34] established when the
first Templars was placed
[47:38] in this property in 1977,
something like that That
[47:41] would be our preference.
[47:43] It's not something
that we must have.
[47:45] Right.
[47:45] It doesn't have our name on it.
[47:47] So we're doing it for
the sake of keeping
[47:49] something that we think is
a landmark in green village.
[47:53] Okay.
[47:55] With the sign itself, if it
were been part of this proposal
[47:59] to be built and grow
it village, would it
[48:02] be acceptable under our
codes today Technically,
[48:07] it's considered legally
nonconforming at the moment.
[48:10] And because as it has not been
actively or continuously used
[48:14] for a period of over
Six years or six months,
[48:17] it we could consider it
abandoned and maintenance would
[48:20] not be kind of they
would not have a right
[48:23] to maintain it after that.
[48:24] Six months of abandonment.
[48:27] So if if I make sure it's
legally nonconforming,
[48:33] I'm sorry, it's not per code.
[48:36] does that mean.
[48:37] It will have to come down?
[48:40] Unless unless unless
we want to keep it
[48:43] there are there if the council
wants to keep the sign,
[48:46] I would say just let us know.
[48:48] You want to keep the sign and
we'll put a condition on that.
[48:51] The sign stays and that it be
maintained I would not recommend
[48:54] you keep it and let it just
continue to deteriorate It would
[48:57] be condition that
it be maintained
[48:58] in its current condition
or better Right?
[49:01] Okay I notice that the
public neighborhood meeting,
[49:06] there was some
question about the sign
[49:10] didn't it wasn't specific.
[49:12] They didn't say whether
they wanted or didn't
[49:14] want to just ask the question.
[49:16] But i'm questioning
anybody was there was there
[49:19] a view against or for the sign?
[49:21] You know I can't remember if
it was for guess how about
[49:30] signage on the building itself?
[49:32] I noticed the facade
of the building
[49:34] really doesn't have any signage
So right now it's Scheffler
[49:38] and that's all
there is You know,
[49:41] that's kind of what that
space is is labeled.
[49:44] How would how is that
going to be addressed.
[49:46] Signage while we begin to
prepare very preliminary signage
[49:53] at this point we'd
like to work with staff
[49:56] and eventually with the
DTC, see to finalize signage
[50:01] But outside of this
particular process
[50:02] this evening, sir and I can
speak to the city's process,
[50:07] the city's process and signs
goes through the planning
[50:10] and zoning commission so they
could ask for a sign package
[50:14] that would go to
planning and zoning
[50:16] It would be their authority
to approve it or deny it.
[50:21] Generally speaking
staff and applicants
[50:24] like to work together in making
sure that there's development,
[50:28] and then there's signage so
that, for instance, a quality
[50:32] development doesn't get denied
because someone doesn't like
[50:35] the color blue on the sign.
[50:37] So that would be a
forthcoming package
[50:40] that would be processed
through the city once applied
[50:43] for through planning and zoning.
[50:45] OK Well, I think there's
obviously different opinions
[50:49] on council about the
Scheffler sign I,
[50:56] I know people that find
it very objectionable
[50:58] because it's so large
and, you know, whatnot
[51:01] and others that
feel it's historic
[51:03] and it's a bi has value
in that historic context
[51:09] But the but the reality is
it's not it's not pertinent.
[51:13] It.
[51:14] Doesn't it doesn't
describe the place.
[51:19] It's it's confusing So
I think council should
[51:24] weigh on the sign in my opinion
and whether we should keep it
[51:29] or not.
[51:31] I, for one, would not.
[51:33] But I'm not saying
there's not value
[51:35] in the historic aspect of it.
[51:37] It's just that I find
it to be not appropriate
[51:42] given the use of last question.
[51:46] I was a little confused on
the open space requirement.
[51:49] It is the open space
requirement 20% or 30%.
[51:53] It is 20%.
[51:54] This 20%.
[51:55] OK.
[51:56] And then I would like to
add to if they bring a sign
[51:59] package that can meet
code, it wouldn't require
[52:02] a need for a signed
variance So they always
[52:05] have the option to propose
signage that can just
[52:07] be code Yeah, I understand.
[52:09] For the for other signage
other than the Scheffler.
[52:12] Sorry.
[52:12] Yeah, I understand Thank
you, George Which two?
[52:17] Welcome to you.
[52:19] Signs go to the planning
and zoning Commission
[52:22] and do not come
to council Correct
[52:25] clarification on that, Mary.
[52:27] They can choose to
meet the standard sign
[52:29] code at which point it
would be administrative.
[52:30] It's only if they
choose to deviate
[52:32] above and beyond
the sign code, they
[52:33] would have to go to the
planning and zoning commission.
[52:36] Our goal is always to
work to get them to just
[52:37] follow the sign code, correct?
[52:40] Mr. Schneiderman
forms just one thing
[52:43] I follow up on that
So if nothing is done,
[52:49] regards the Scheffler
sign it will
[52:51] have to come down because
it will be nonconforming.
[52:55] Is that correct?
[52:57] Yes The grace chapel could come
before our planning and zoning
[53:05] with a proposal to
keep the scheffler sign
[53:08] and planning and zoning
would approve that or not.
[53:12] And that wouldn't
come to council Yeah.
[53:18] Councilmember or I think
if you make it a condition
[53:20] that the sign must remain
will confer with city attorney
[53:23] on whether planning and
zoning also needs to weigh in
[53:25] or if that's sufficient to leave
the sign in place I think Mr.
[53:30] Doyle's asking the reverse
of that I'm asking is,
[53:34] do we if we don't
do anything, do
[53:36] we lose control over whether
that's the sign is there or not?
[53:39] We are we abdicating that
responsibility if we don't act
[53:46] if you don't act once the
building changes hands
[53:49] and it's no longer applicable as
Scheffler Blue Barn per the code
[53:54] after a period of six
months of abandonment,
[53:56] it would have to be
removed clarify this six
[54:00] months of abandonment please.
[54:05] I think right now you can
make a loose interpretation.
[54:07] It's being used for directional
purposes for Boot Barn.
[54:10] They're in the
Scheffler building
[54:12] Once it's no longer
these owners building,
[54:14] it's no longer
applicable to the site.
[54:16] And for the code it would
be no longer allowed.
[54:19] After six months, after six
months, Mr. Jackson, John
[54:25] Jackson, city manager
6060 South back
[54:28] We did this and invoked
this same exact policy with
[54:32] the theater sign on Arapahoe.
[54:33] Appreciate it.
[54:34] Was considered abandoned.
[54:36] And we made the owner,
property owner take it down.
[54:38] We could do the
exact same thing here
[54:40] I think this really
boils down to what
[54:43] you would like to see happen
more than what we can do.
[54:47] The let's take the other
example the Penders true sign.
[54:51] That was a sign that
I'm talking to It was
[54:53] right there There were to sign.
[54:57] Okay Mr. Snyderman, thank you.
[55:03] Thank you, Mayor Just
a couple of questions.
[55:05] I think directed towards the
pastor Just out of curiosity,
[55:09] your congregation and from
what parts of the metro area
[55:13] do they typically hail
That's a great question.
[55:17] Councilmember.
[55:17] We have mostly all South Denver.
[55:20] We have a few that are just
in Green Village and north,
[55:24] but not much north
of here Most is south
[55:27] and I would say evenly
spread east to west.
[55:30] So we were founded
in West in Littleton
[55:34] and then we have people
that now live in Parker
[55:38] out East or Aurora.
[55:40] So we're pretty spread on
either side of the 25 corridor.
[55:44] But South kind of
here, maybe even all
[55:47] the way towards Castle Rock.
[55:48] Okay, great.
[55:49] Another question for you.
[55:51] What type of secure city
do you typically have?
[55:54] Both on a typical Sunday
during the holidays,
[55:57] you have your own security team.
[55:58] Do you hire out Yeah,
it's a wonderful question
[56:02] and very important to us.
[56:02] We have a world
class security team.
[56:05] They've been trained by
ministry and an outfitter
[56:10] called Able Shepherd.
[56:11] Everyone goes through that.
[56:12] We have them broken into
four different teams.
[56:14] But there are assigned.
[56:15] We have assigned
posts we have security
[56:18] cameras all over the campus.
[56:19] And our security team
at any given time
[56:22] is watching every
single door every place,
[56:25] every suspicious activity.
[56:26] We also pay for Douglas
County to be present on campus
[56:30] with a car and an
armed police officer.
[56:34] We would plan to
do the same thing.
[56:35] Obviously with
Greenwood Village.
[56:37] OK, wonderful And then
just a final question.
[56:39] I think this is directed
more towards staff
[56:42] And I'll preface this by saying
that I'm in favor of the church.
[56:46] I'm just curious if we have a
dollar figure of loss of tax
[56:50] revenue for the boot barn
leaving this becoming basically
[56:54] counselor my recommendation
is that that staff not answer
[56:58] that question as it's not
pertinent to the criteria for
[57:01] the applications before you.
[57:02] Thank you.
[57:03] Thanks.
[57:05] Miss Johnston I just want to
say I the sign is historical
[57:09] and so i would hope that council
would allow them to keep it
[57:14] And I would vote in favor of
that if they don't abide by it
[57:21] or or, you know
maybe something else
[57:25] could be done so that it's not
standing in the middle of I-25,
[57:30] but maybe lower with
a marker or something.
[57:32] But we can't lose that Yeah.
[57:34] Thank you.
[57:35] I'm not sure it's allowed
in your zoning district
[57:37] for your house
inside mission Also,
[57:43] I personally don't think the
sign should set should stay,
[57:47] but I would propose like
a citywide wide auction.
[57:51] I mean that's a serious right.
[57:55] And you could put that money
towards funding all sorts
[57:59] of other parish
ministries I mean,
[58:02] you're going to have
a line out the door
[58:03] starting with Donna and Libby.
[58:06] You know to put
bids on that side.
[58:08] I think it doesn't
suit what you're
[58:11] trying to do with the
site and in fact, might
[58:15] cause some confusion agenda.
[58:18] People that are trying to
locate you or whatever.
[58:21] But what a great Welcome
to the community.
[58:24] Common options on the side.
[58:26] You could break it
down into several.
[58:27] I was just looking Add it.
[58:29] You got the big shuttlers thing.
[58:31] And then you got the little
these with the bullhorns on it
[58:34] You could break that apart
and make billions of dollars
[58:37] off pay for your rented.
[58:40] So I'm just saying i don't
think that preserve HOA would
[58:43] allow I do have a
serious question
[58:46] for you concerning the parking.
[58:48] Could you help me
understand that maybe it's
[58:51] staff Two is your thousand
parishioners plus staff
[58:56] and for per unit, which c
per person or would seem
[59:03] i don't know whether
you get an average
[59:05] of four people plus
driving together
[59:08] to attend to your services.
[59:10] It's a fair question.
[59:12] Obviously we would
make sure that we make
[59:14] arrangements for staff parking.
[59:15] We've already done that
in some of the plans
[59:17] on the back sides
of the building,
[59:19] giving them premier
spots to those who visit.
[59:21] We do have a lot of
families in my family.
[59:24] I have six kids, so there's
a lot of kids in our car
[59:27] So you have to think
of it that way as well.
[59:30] How families come
to church together
[59:33] We would work towards
a parking agreement
[59:36] with both of the businesses
to the north and to the south.
[59:39] We know that those businesses
are not used on the weekends,
[59:43] and so we like to have some
kind of parking agreement.
[59:45] There is a stair kind
of forced stair way
[59:49] that goes to the
building your health
[59:52] or even health to the south.
[59:55] And so we'd love to make
use of that stairway
[59:57] and work with them first
for parking on Sundays.
[1:00:00] Good at that.
[1:00:01] We don't need more
parking there.
[1:00:03] There's no doubt.
[1:00:04] But that would be great
if you could do that,
[1:00:06] because I can see you
needing if you have
[1:00:10] a full house, if you
would say, yeah, you
[1:00:13] could need additional parking.
[1:00:14] Absolutely.
[1:00:14] And we would to that point, we
would work very hard to make
[1:00:18] sure there's no street parking.
[1:00:19] There would.
[1:00:20] But we're going to stop
that neighborhood Thank you.
[1:00:24] Any other questions from
council Oh Mr. Doyle, I just
[1:00:30] have a procedural question.
[1:00:32] George, I If we wanted to pass
a resolution or whatever it is
[1:00:39] on the sign, do we do that
before we act on the application
[1:00:44] or after or when Mr..
[1:00:50] Come here.
[1:00:55] I would, yeah.
[1:00:55] I've conferred with the city
attorney in our huddle room
[1:00:57] back here and I would say I
would take action on the sub
[1:01:01] first to authorize the use.
[1:01:03] Then when you take a vote on
the site development plan,
[1:01:05] you would take a motion on
the condition in our motion
[1:01:09] for approval on the condition
that the existing sign be
[1:01:13] maintained at current
or better condition
[1:01:18] for purposes of
historic significance.
[1:01:21] Because the code does not
technically define abandonment
[1:01:23] So if you give it a purpose for
historical significance, that
[1:01:26] would be a way around
the abandonment
[1:01:28] clause in the same code
And we've confirmed,
[1:01:31] we believe that would be
sufficient without having to go
[1:01:32] back through planning and
Zoning commission for a variance
[1:01:35] and would run with the land
Okay May I speak to other sign?
[1:01:43] Would that be Certainly I just
I'll give one case, you know,
[1:01:47] as an almost native born
on an Air Force base.
[1:01:49] But I've been here
my whole life.
[1:01:50] My wife also a native, it's
the number One question we've
[1:01:54] had over the last 13 months
as we pursue this property,
[1:01:57] will the signs stay even old
in a multi person meeting
[1:02:00] in our church
about this property
[1:02:03] The overwhelming majority are
saying, Please keep the sign.
[1:02:07] I I understand it says shiftless
settlers went out of business.
[1:02:12] I believe in in 1999.
[1:02:14] Appreciate it.
[1:02:14] Hasn't been in business.
[1:02:16] Now you could make a case that
viewpoint is closely related
[1:02:19] to what settlers
was, but who really
[1:02:21] knows where settlers
was ? except
[1:02:23] there's a ball on the sign.
[1:02:25] Those that are going
to boot barn today
[1:02:27] may not even understand
what settlers was
[1:02:29] It's not in business anymore.
[1:02:31] It's a historic cattle company.
[1:02:32] They bought that building put
it there and put that sign up.
[1:02:35] I think it is significant.
[1:02:37] People do use it as a
landmark for orientation
[1:02:40] around Greenwood Village
And yes, well, we're not
[1:02:42] selling boots and cowboy hats.
[1:02:44] We'd be the shirt, the church
that meets at the shelter site.
[1:02:47] I do think it'd be a
point of orientation
[1:02:49] for us People know it even
as people have been hearing
[1:02:53] about our new
pursuit of a building
[1:02:55] They said, Well, so where is it.
[1:02:56] Is in Greenwood Village.
[1:02:57] Do you know where the super
sign is Yeah, it's right there.
[1:02:59] It's that Alamo looking thing
that we're going to make better,
[1:03:02] right I tell them that.
[1:03:04] But they know where the sign is.
[1:03:05] If you were to
make a condition, I
[1:03:07] guess my request would be to
allow us to keep the sign,
[1:03:09] to maintain the sign to upkeep.
[1:03:11] The sign has had no
love It needs reworking,
[1:03:13] and needs repaint We take it
back to its historic condition.
[1:03:17] Give us a period of time to
maintain it and and allow
[1:03:21] that to go on for a while.
[1:03:22] And if it doesn't
meet your standards,
[1:03:24] I'm not going down
the hill for the sign
[1:03:26] I'm more care about people.
[1:03:27] I don't care about a sign.
[1:03:28] But I think the sign is
important to the people.
[1:03:31] And that's why I want to make
the case to keep the sign Thank
[1:03:34] you for that feedback The
there are no further questions
[1:03:40] and i will now call on all those
who have indicated their desire
[1:03:44] to be heard concerning the
matter remind each individual
[1:03:47] that they must first
give their name
[1:03:49] and address and be sworn in
before testifying We've heard
[1:03:54] from most people on this list
is there are people out who are
[1:04:01] in the audience who
wish to come and testify
[1:04:10] I don't see anyone
in Is there a motion
[1:04:14] to close the public hearing?
[1:04:16] So moved I'll second.
[1:04:19] All those in favor Please
say I. I those opposed
[1:04:23] nay The motion passes the
public hearing is now closed.
[1:04:28] I will now entertain
a motion for case
[1:04:30] number Z days 26 days 00017.
[1:04:35] The special use permit for
8500 East Orchard Road.
[1:04:38] So that we may begin
deliberations on this matter
[1:04:45] Mr. Schneiderman may I ask you.
[1:04:47] Yes.
[1:04:48] Mr. Mayor, I moved.
[1:04:49] I'm sorry.
[1:04:49] I'm having trouble
navigating between my phone
[1:04:52] and my I'm sorry.
[1:04:54] I'm barely able to
switch between teams.
[1:04:56] So if Mr. Schneiderman
could do it.
[1:04:58] I'm so sorry No problem.
[1:05:01] I move to approve case number z.
[1:05:03] DoorDash 20 6-00017.
[1:05:06] Special use permit
8500 East Orchard Road.
[1:05:08] Grace Chapel, as outlined in the
staff report Is there a second?
[1:05:12] Second John?
[1:05:13] Second vertical.
[1:05:15] Thank you Ms. Johnston Any
discussion And Deputy city
[1:05:24] Clerk, would you please call the
vote Councilmember Schneiderman.
[1:05:30] Yes.
[1:05:30] Councilmember Johnston Yes.
[1:05:32] Mayor Pro Tem.
[1:05:33] Barnicle yes.
[1:05:36] Councilmember.
[1:05:37] Mr. Councilmember for Wisner.
[1:05:42] Yes.
[1:05:43] Councilmember Stall Yes.
[1:05:47] Councilman Dale.
[1:05:48] Yes.
[1:05:49] Councilmember Nelson.
[1:05:50] Yes The motion passes
with a majority vote
[1:05:53] Thank you very much Council.
[1:05:57] Now, consider case number
three, DoorDash 20 6-000 26.
[1:06:01] The site Development
Plan for 8500 each.
[1:06:04] Orchard Road.
[1:06:05] May I have a motion.
[1:06:06] So we can begin deliberation?
[1:06:08] Ms..
[1:06:09] Johnston yes, with a question.
[1:06:12] Is this where I could
have a condition
[1:06:15] or do you do that later?
[1:06:18] Do I do that later?
[1:06:19] And I believe staff
has a recommendation
[1:06:21] for that language.
[1:06:22] When you get to that point.
[1:06:24] Okay So I move to approve comes
Okay I move to approve case
[1:06:33] number 26 00026 site development
plan 8500 East Orchard Road
[1:06:40] Grace chapel with a condition
that the existing shoppers
[1:06:45] freestanding sign be maintained
in the current location
[1:06:49] and kept in as good
or better condition
[1:06:51] as it exists today Yeah.
[1:06:54] Second barnacle
exclamation point.
[1:06:57] Thank you.
[1:06:58] You.
[1:07:00] Discuss ocean that's Nelson
be okay with the site plan
[1:07:06] as is without the condition
I don't I I don't feel
[1:07:13] a need to keep the side
mr. Wizner saying I
[1:07:21] think I should sell it.
[1:07:23] And once that sign's gone
no one is going to care.
[1:07:26] Six months from now No, not it's
an eyesore It does not fit in
[1:07:31] with the city I
wouldn't get rid of it,
[1:07:33] so I would go with
the super submitted.
[1:07:39] Have you number three are
nostalgia, Mr. Barnacle,
[1:07:43] let me call on you.
[1:07:44] Please Go ahead I just
did have, you know,
[1:07:49] Mercier Del Jim, Mr. Wiesner
mean growing up here in District
[1:07:54] three, this is important I think
the applicant applicant actually
[1:07:57] made a very moving suggestion.
[1:08:00] Keep the sign It's not
directional It is nostalgic
[1:08:04] and it's part of the
heart of District three.
[1:08:06] So I'm in support of the
conditional amendment
[1:08:11] as proposed by councilmember
Johnston and Mr. Schneiderman I,
[1:08:21] I have to say I've
also lived here.
[1:08:23] Basically, my entire
life I love the sign.
[1:08:28] I'd like to keep it.
[1:08:29] I'm happy with the with the
amendment to the to the SUV Mr..
[1:08:37] Mr..
[1:08:37] Doyle yeah.
[1:08:39] I've made my position
known and i, absolutely.
[1:08:42] I think I agree with what's been
said about not keeping the sign.
[1:08:47] I realize that there's a value,
but I think it will have.
[1:08:52] I think it served its purpose.
[1:08:54] So the question is that the the
motion is to add that conditions
[1:09:02] So if we don't want
the sign, we vote
[1:09:04] no for the approval of the ACP.
[1:09:08] That's correct And we can
have a Second as a second.
[1:09:14] That would take it out
of So in other words,
[1:09:18] if we don't approve this with
the sign included, then Ms..
[1:09:25] Johnston or someone else
could vote for approval
[1:09:29] and without the sign
being there as Tom
[1:09:34] said on the line, Yes Mr. Stall,
do you have an a an opinion
[1:09:44] You know, I completely want.
[1:09:49] I could go either way on it.
[1:09:51] I you know, I first came
to Denver and in the 70s.
[1:09:57] And I remember the sign
being there, it's nostalgic,
[1:10:01] but I could also
see it being removed
[1:10:04] But I at the end of the
day, it's not in my district
[1:10:09] and i would side
with the council
[1:10:15] people in District three.
[1:10:17] All right So by my
count, that means
[1:10:20] there are four people in
favor of keeping the sign
[1:10:25] and three people
who are would just
[1:10:27] soon see the sign removed So
are there is there any other.
[1:10:36] I'm sorry, Mr. Stall.
[1:10:37] You wish to add something?
[1:10:39] Yeah.
[1:10:40] OK.
[1:10:41] Katrina online.
[1:10:42] Has she weighed in or
is she able to speak?
[1:10:46] She's not online.
[1:10:48] She's online Oh, right.
[1:10:49] OK.
[1:10:50] I'm sorry.
[1:10:51] I'm sorry Ms..
[1:10:53] Metzger.
[1:10:53] I'm sorry.
[1:10:54] I didn't realize you joined us
I'm not showing her as muted I.
[1:11:18] I don't believe she's
available So with that in mind,
[1:11:24] we have 4, 2, three
in favor of keeping
[1:11:30] this sign With that in mind, of
would you please call the vote?
[1:11:38] And this So the vote is clear.
[1:11:41] Voting in favor votes
for votes for the passing
[1:11:49] and keeping the sign
a vote against means,
[1:11:54] you know, not keeping
not approving anything.
[1:11:57] Basically is what
a no vote means.
[1:11:59] Right.
[1:12:00] So that those are
the conditions And I
[1:12:04] it seems to me that in general,
people are in favor of this.
[1:12:08] And the sign is the question.
[1:12:10] So Mr. Mayor.
[1:12:12] Yes.
[1:12:13] Yes.
[1:12:13] Clarify what you
just said So you're
[1:12:15] saying that if people
vote no, they're
[1:12:17] also voting no to the Super?
[1:12:19] That is correct.
[1:12:20] They the clarification
that Mr. Mayor, that just
[1:12:24] means that the motion
fails and a new motion
[1:12:26] would have to be made.
[1:12:27] That's exactly right Yes.
[1:12:30] Without the sign.
[1:12:32] Well, you're also
voting down the.
[1:12:34] Yes, you pay no,
you're voting that.
[1:12:37] You there could be you would
you would be voting down.
[1:12:41] Scuse me, Mayor,
you would be voting
[1:12:42] down this particular motion.
[1:12:43] If you voted no.
[1:12:45] And that vote carried
no you would say,
[1:12:47] okay, the motion to approve this
permit with the condition fails.
[1:12:52] However, the floor
would still be
[1:12:54] open for a motion to approve
it without the condition
[1:12:57] pertaining to the sign.
[1:12:58] And that, I believe, is what
staff would recommend that you
[1:13:01] follow per their recommendation
and the staff report
[1:13:05] to make sure that the permit
is not an address at all.
[1:13:09] I Mr. Mayor, then why
did we add a condition?
[1:13:13] I thought we were going to
negotiate that separately I'm
[1:13:16] just confused.
[1:13:17] The condition is a proposal to
vote on But if it votes down,
[1:13:22] you may still vote too on
the actual underly permit
[1:13:27] without the condition.
[1:13:28] And you say to close the
application before you.
[1:13:32] Yes, thank you It's a
clear as mud It's clear.
[1:13:39] So, Madam Clerk, would
you please call the vote?
[1:13:44] Councilmember johnston.
[1:13:45] Yes Mayor Pro Tem Barnicle Yes
Councilmember Schneiderman Yes.
[1:13:54] Councilmember Metzger
Councilmember Wiesner.
[1:14:00] Oh Councilmember stall.
[1:14:06] Yes Councilmember Doyle No.
[1:14:11] Councilmember Nelson.
[1:14:12] Oh, no The motion
passes with four.
[1:14:16] Affirmative votes.
[1:14:17] I'd you have Now that approval.
[1:14:21] I don't think any of
the council members
[1:14:23] are anything but excited
about having you here.
[1:14:27] The signage, the what was
in question I understand.
[1:14:30] I understand Thank
you very well.
[1:14:35] If you would, please
tell us about the timing
[1:14:38] that you anticipate.
[1:14:39] Yes Congressman, we
look forward to joining
[1:14:42] your city, hopefully in 2028.
[1:14:46] So group on is leasing that
building until June 30th of next
[1:14:50] year And then should all of
the permitting and process
[1:14:54] go well on the next steps?
[1:14:55] We would love to start
construction after they are out,
[1:14:58] which is June 30th of 2027.
[1:15:00] And then it will take us
about a year to 14 months
[1:15:03] to be able to make this all
that we've promised it would be.
[1:15:07] So for, let's say,
loosely fall of 2028,
[1:15:11] Chapel will call
Greenwood Village
[1:15:12] home Well, thank you very much.
[1:15:15] Appreciate it.
[1:15:15] And welcome to the community.
[1:15:17] Thank you.
[1:15:17] You.
[1:15:17] Congratulations.
[1:15:18] Thank you.
[1:15:19] Thank you.
[1:15:19] Thank you.
[1:15:20] Thank you.
[1:15:21] Council Moving on to reports of
officers, boards and committees,
[1:15:28] are there any
reports to be shared
[1:15:32] when to come visit That's what.
[1:15:36] Thank you, sir.
[1:15:37] Appreciate it.
[1:15:38] Thank you, Mr. And
good luck to you
[1:15:47] 30 reports that people would
like to share Mr. Jackson,
[1:15:56] do you have none
tonight, sir Then may
[1:16:02] I have a motion to
adjourn So move.
[1:16:05] Second.
[1:16:05] Desertion Thank you.
[1:16:07] All those in favor please say.
[1:16:09] Please say I Those opposed.
[1:16:11] Nay.
[1:16:13] The motion passes.
[1:16:14] We will move to the
community room for the study
[1:16:16] session Mr. Mayor.