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Well, good afternoon everyone and

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welcome to our special uh council

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meeting of Thursday, August 20, 2026.

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Uh welcome council. Uh councelor, you're

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on Zoom, so good morning or good

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afternoon. Happy birthday. uh welcome

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the uh gallery that's here today, our

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staff and those that are viewing from outside of this council chamber. So

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there was a published agenda uh that was

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on our website which I'm reading off

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today and uh it was a special council

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meeting that I called for you can see on

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the there's three items to uh to be

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dealt with today and

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it's a little abnormal to have a special

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council meeting but sometimes you have

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to call those within the proper notice

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but because of the election this year

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and uh they call lame duck uh certain

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financial decisions over 50,000 and

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cannot be made after tomorrow at 2,

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which I'm hearing a lot on the radio.

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So, yes, and it's a certain provision

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that uh lame duck councils and there's a

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certain provision that sort of spells

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out what lame duck councils are and

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that's where there could be a

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possibility of the same council not

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coming back. So part of that uh

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legislation that's through the province

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then uh there are three items on today's

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agenda that are dealing with uh a

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financial um decision. So that's why a

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special council meeting is called I just attended a special council

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meeting at the county the gray to deal

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with something similar a financial

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decision that had to be done. Council

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can still make decisions but not things

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that are going to affect it over

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$50,000. Somebody was asking are they

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made increments? Could you do I don't

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know. So anyway, that's why we're here

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today. And again, welcome everybody for

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attending. So on that agenda that uh is

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here, do we have any additions or

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deletions for today's agenda from

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council or staff? Got to ask. No, it

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says approval of the agenda. So if not,

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can I have a mover and a seconder for

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that? Councelor Owick, councelor Dubick.

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Any discussion on that agenda?

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If not, all in favor?

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That's carried. Since we have approved

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an agenda, do or approved. Yeah,

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approved agenda. Do we have any uh any

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interest with regards to those three

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items for council members? I got to make

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sure I look at the screen. See what was

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that? So, there's nothing declared at

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this time. If one does arise, we can uh

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you can declare it then.

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So the first item of business is item

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4.1 and this is with regards to a

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proposed council chambers relocation and

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there is there is a report that is

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attached to the agenda that is there and

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uh I don't know madame CEO it's a report

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coming from yourself. Do you have

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anything you wish to add or describe in

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that uh agenda? There is a there is a

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motion here I will need to read off but

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I'll go to you right now. Uh thank you,

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Mayor McQueen. Three of you. Um so

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council's aware that we have been having

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discussions ongoing with the county and

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uh with the vacant space becoming

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available uh in the adjacent uh entrance

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way to this facility. Um we have been um

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in discussions with them about how the

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space could work uh for the

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municipality. I mean, today is a good

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example of of not having adequate space

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and adequate accessible space um uh to

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hold council meetings and and to receive

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um uh constituents into the building. Um

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I think at this point our capacity is 20

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additional people outside of staff and

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council. Um the space uh needs some

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work. Um but uh county staff have uh

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come to the table with with some options

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that they're still reviewing. Uh but we

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believe if the space is acquired, then

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there's opportunity for leasing out uh

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other municipal facilities that are

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vacant or that could be vacant uh to

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offset the additional rent. Um there is

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money in a reserve uh put aside for

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administrative uh building upgrades and

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we haven't done any I believe since the

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installation of our current equipment

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which is now obsolete.

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>> Uh so that would um that will need

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upgrading anyway. We just felt that it

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it's an opportunity uh to get a better

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space more accessible and upgrade the AV

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equipment so that uh um it's more

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supportive of our meetings.

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>> Okay. Thank you for that, Madam C. Any

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questions uh to the CEO?

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>> Councelor Duby.

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>> Uh thank you for the uh for the update.

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benefit to be able to um move into new

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space where we can accommodate uh you

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know, more residents um and visitors uh

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to our meetings and also bring staff in

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to this building and um you know, house

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staff in one location is is a real

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benefit for for for work um and building

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those relations. Um I I was just

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wondering you know as you talk about you

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know so the importance of modernizing um

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our chambers and wondering um you know

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if in terms of considerations when you

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think about AV audio equipment um you

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know could we also just consider

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um you know the ability for to to be

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able to move those equipment if we were

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to be offsite safer like town halls etc.

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um you know some of those things can't

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always be um recorded you know I think

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we do have some restrictions you know in

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terms of our equipment but so not a

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question but just a comment you know if

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we can think about um offsite meetings

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and be being able to record them as well

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so thank you

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this is a hightech question

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» and I'm just going to turn my camera on.

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Thank you. Through you. Um, so we are

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having a few technical difficulties. So

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I did want to mention that. Um, for

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people that are trying to view it

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through the portal, it doesn't seem to

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be streaming through there, but we are

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live on YouTube. So we're just trying to

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work on that. That's was the one thing.

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question because I was troubleshooting.

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>> No, no, no. And and thank you for for

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doing double duty there. Thank

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[clears throat] you very much. And

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keeping everybody uh in tuned. Um so

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wondering you know as we think about our

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um technology and a you know audio AV

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equipment. Can we also consider u

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mobility of some of those those

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equipment? So when we do have meetings

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offsite like you know for example town

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halls um you know we do have some

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limitations and be able to record um you

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know those types of meetings and so

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consideration.

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Thank you through you. Um so a lot of

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the technology has changed in um since

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2019 that was the year that um the

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current system was approved. So a lot of

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it is more wireless technology which

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would allow for movement. Some of it

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isn't. I mean, if you consider wireless,

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you do have to consider charging and all

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those things. And I do think the idea

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would be to have a, you know, a a

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designated council chambers spot. But in

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the project, we can definitely look at

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um, you know, some some technology that

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could be moved, um, some wireless

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technology or if there's anything that

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could be saved from the existing system

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that we could modify for an off-site um,

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option, we would do that.

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I know there was a pretty big

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public meeting at one time that was held

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in the Markdale Arena Community Center

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and that was to do with Greg Gables.

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It's the biggest public meeting I ever

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did be part of and because the upstairs

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space was full and they had to put

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people downstairs. It was a it was a

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public meeting. It was for the county.

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But there are certain times when there

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are certain events you need more space

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because to accommodate more people. So

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now that our system is hybrid,

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that makes it a bit more tricky because

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you're live, right? So like if you had a

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public meeting where you're live and

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you're recording and people could stream

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it, the technology should be there as

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you're saying. So I guess that would be

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an example where or there's been times

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when we've had to move a council meeting

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into the egg office area because there

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wasn't enough space here as well. There

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were certain times I think there's times

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where we maybe Paul I'm trying to think

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if we had to go to a community center to

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have a a bigger meeting. I remember

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sometimes talking about doing it but

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then that was before we're hybrid. We're

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just a a regular council meeting or or a

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public meeting. So but uh certainly with

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technology and I'm sure there's other

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municipalities that have figured it out

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looking at Amanda

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that have figured it out and having that

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ability to move to a larger venue.

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Deputy mayor.

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>> Thank you mayor McQueen. I have a

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different question if I'm not trying to

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>> Um so for you may a question I have so

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the report is asking for funds but also

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speaks to the idea that a future lease

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will have to come back to council. So

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the two questions kind of revolve around

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that scenario. One is does this body

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have the authority to sign off on a new

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lease during this term of council? we do

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have three more meetings if the

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negotiations happen and if we don't and

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the lease agreement is coming to the

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next term of council

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why allocate the funds before the lease

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is there so like kind of a what are we

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actually allowed to do within the

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linduct period I understand the

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financial aspect to it but if we can't

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sign off on the lease during this term

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period then why give them

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>> thank you and that's a really good

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question um so because we are already

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tenants of uh Gray County and we already

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leased this section of the building. Um

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it would be actually an amendment to the

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existing lease and I believe uh if

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council approves the project that we

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have delegation of authority to amend

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that lease um not enter into any new

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leases. Um and we suspect uh the terms

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would be very similar to uh the terms

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that we have for this lease. I I've been

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verbally told that. Uh what we don't

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know is how long renovations would take

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and which of the renovations uh the

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county would have to pay as the landlord

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versus uh nice to have so to speak in a

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lend in a rental uh uh position um from

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a tenant standpoint. Um so that all has

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to be worked out. Uh of course the

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county's in lame duck as well. um as of tomorrow. Uh so staff um I did

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meet with county staff and um we're

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hoping to get enough between the two

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budgets to to renovate the space and

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figure out um you know the leasing when the lease will actually kick in, so

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to speak, when it's actually uh able to

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be occupied. Um, from from the Grey

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Highland standpoint, um, we uh want to

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keep as much uh of the existing uh

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furniture and and things that we can. We

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did uh Jerry Lynn and I went uh rumaging

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up the talisman and were able to grab on

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to 40 um very nice chairs uh that we can

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use for a comfortable accessible gallery

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where police officers can sit with their

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belts on in the chairs. Um and we were

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able to grab those and and and pick them

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up. Uh so they're in storage in one of

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our uh transportation buildings right

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now. So, we're trying to utilize as much

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in-house as we can. Um, we understand

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the pressures on uh budget and and the

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pressures council's facing, but

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obviously the AV equipment is a is a big

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piece. The accessibility is a big piece.

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Although the county will have to as the

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landlord um foot the bill for accessible

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washrooms, uh door paddles, that kind of

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thing, there may be some aesthetic uh

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features that we might look at. Um we're

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still discussing they're they're looking

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at doing a whole retrofit of all the

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lighting in the buildings. Um, but we

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were looking and I know council had the

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opportunity to look at the space at um some cosmetic

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uh painting and and um uh the ceiling

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and and you know uh there's a a wall

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that we might want to take out that the

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county wouldn't foot the bill for, but

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we we Jerry Lyn and I have looked at it

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and we may be able to make this

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furniture work with that wall. We don't

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know until we get this furniture in

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there and then we we'd have to decide.

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Um so it is an upset limit with the

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majority of it going towards AV and

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accessible um uh furniture and

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equipment.

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>> Any followup? Go ahead.

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>> Thank you very much. That does clarify

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kind of my first question. um not a

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question, more of a comment I guess is

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I understand the idea of having all the

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staff on the same site, right? Like so

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we do have residents that come into this

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space looking for building department uh

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permits and approvals and then they have

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they get told sorry that's not here you

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have to go around and vice versa staff

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or residents will go to the 150 Lauren

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Street and be told the same thing oh

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sorry that's not us you have to go back

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to the other site and so I really do

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appreciate the benefit of having all

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staff on site when I look at this space

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myself and I and and let's agree that

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today is a good example of why we might

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need a new space in terms of the

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residents that are here in this space to

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uh here for a different item. Um but

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that doesn't happen very frequently and

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my concern is um

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having council

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move chambers, move location,

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the to myself and my own personal

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opinion, the optics of

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um that location walking through other

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places isn't a very professional

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entrance into the space. I also have

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concerns of removing in what I feel is

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being removing staff and council or

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separating staff and council further.

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There isn't there is a walk space that

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we know exists but it's not an open

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transparent public walkspace between

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that location that space and this space.

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Um so I have challenges with that. I

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also have challenges with if we look at

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the physical footprint of council

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chambers and even the small meeting

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spaces that's connected that's kind of

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works as you know council's um

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coffee tea space doesn't actually

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provide and I don't think it provides

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enough space to move all the staff over

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from 150 Lauren whereas the other

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location the other space that we're

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looking at for council chambers provides

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more of that space to be able to bring

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all the staff under one roof having

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planning building and facilities and um

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Sorry, the parks and recck team. I

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realize that, you know, water and sewer

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and transportation teams aren't exactly

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going to be moving into this building.

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That's not the goal, but having all of

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our uh in-house people on the same site.

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So, I have I I see the need to lease the

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space to make sure that we don't lose

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the opportunity to utilize it for

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ourselves. Um, but I don't necessarily

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agree with the idea of moving council

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chambers to that space. I think

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municipality needs it, yes, but how

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we're going to use it maybe is still up

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for discussion and debate. I don't know

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what that means for today's discussion.

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I I personally would say the discussion

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is that staff should be directed to look

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into leasing that space so it doesn't

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get lost, that we don't see it get to

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another organization that may have

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another need for it because I do see the

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value in it. But I think the discussion

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of what the final decision of what

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that's going to be is still open for

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interpretation and perhaps not something

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that

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this body should do with this little

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time left in this tournament. So thanks

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very much madam CEO. Thanks.

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>> Um thank you and uh through through

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Mayor McQueen. Um so this room is not

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accessible and and we're not just

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looking at it from the standpoint of

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residents coming or staff. We're looking

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at it from a standpoint of the council

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um disas itself. If if we're we're

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facing an election, if if we have um uh

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somebody voted in who who requires uh

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space for a wheelchair, we we don't have

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that space. We need it's the law. We

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need to be accessible. So the chambers

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uh is is the biggest requirement. It's

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the thing that we've we've shifted this

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desk around so many times trying to make

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it work. It doesn't work and frankly

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doesn't comply with legislation. So, we

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need to look at an accessible public

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council chambers uh for staff, for um

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constituents, and for council members as

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well. Um so, that would be the priority.

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There is office space over there that

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can be utilized um for overflow staff.

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Uh we do have um some remote workers

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that are not in office um all the time

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but are here periodically um that we

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could have landing stations set up for.

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Um we could also have landing stations

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set up for council members. Right now

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Mayor McQueen is the only council member

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with office space. Um, so we're looking

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at uh office uh an office or landing

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spots for members of council. I know

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councel dubits have many meetings in

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council chambers outside of uh council

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meetings. Um so we're looking at those

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opportunities. Um but there is overflow

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office space. Um we also have uh in our

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building department uh we are moving

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things around taskwise

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where the building inspectors themselves

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will be on the road more than doing the

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plans examination and and having one

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plans examiner building inspector

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inhouse. So we're looking at those

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opportunities as well. Um and uh frankly

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this point in time with most of the

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documents on uh in electronic version um

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office space desk requirements are

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getting smaller. Um so there is

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opportunity to update workstations in

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the future to create more space. Uh but

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some of the existing spaces that we have

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in this uh side of the building right

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now are not wheelchair accessible. Um so

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we we need to look at that and ensure

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that it is. Um, so that will be part of

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the picture, but our focus on council

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chambers is that it needs to be an

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accessible space and it needs it needs

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to meet the legislation. And then we'll

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deal with the overflow and the staff uh

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stations uh at a later piece because

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they're smaller challenges at this

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point. Any follow? Any follow

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[clears throat] up? Just my office is

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available for everyone

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else.

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>> Thank you, Mayor McQueen. So, I was

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wondering about the urgency also um why

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this is being brought actually to the

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very last almost the very last day. Um,

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you've answered the CEO has answered

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some of that, but

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we don't have lease costing.

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Um, so we're authorizing some spending

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of money before we have lease costing

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and maybe we would be given that costing

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before the money is spent. I'm not sure.

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My main concern is well, two things.

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Deputy Mayor touched on the the

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separation. Somebody comes in here

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looking for a certain apartment, it's

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over there, they've got to go back

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outside, over there, outside. If there

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was a more direct route maybe, and

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they're having to walk past um another

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organization to get to council chambers,

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but I really wonder if we should be

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making this decision for the new council

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as of now. and we still have about 24

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hours, but right now there is only one

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council member that is guaranteed to be

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back. And again, that could change

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between now and this time tomorrow. So,

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I I don't feel that we should be making

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a decision the very last day for a new

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council. Thank you.

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Any other comments?

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Oh, hold on. A response. Madam CEO Ben.

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>> Uh, thank you. I just want to clarify

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that yes, this is a decision on the

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table today and yes, it's the last day

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before lame duck, but this we've been

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discussing this for 18 months. Like it's

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not new uh to council. It it's just that

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we found obviously when you're heading

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towards lame duck, you start looking at

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the list of outstanding items and

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thinking, well, we need to have a

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decision on this if we wanted to make it

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to move forward. we need a decision on.

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So, it just came down to what's on the

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list that we don't have decisions for

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that we need or may need decisions for

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during the lame duck period. Um, but you

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know, it's been an ongoing discussion

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with council that we have been looking

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at kids and us and council's had uh the

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opportunity to tour the space. Um, it's

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just not been high on our priority list

520
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for obvious reasons. We've had a lot of

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other more pressing priorities. Um, but

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if we want to go ahead with the space,

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um, as deputy mayor said, we don't want

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to lose the opportunity of of, uh, the

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county advertising and and losing that

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space. So either way, um, you know,

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we'll we'll make it work. Um, it's what

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we do, but, uh, we are not compliant

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with accessibility.

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>> Yeah, thank you for that, M. I think

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Yes.

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>> Oh, yes. Yes, I saw Joe, but I got

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councelor Alwood first and councelor Joe

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Lhead.

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>> Thank you, member McQueen for you. I

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mean, we uh this is not a nice to have

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thing. The accessibility issue is real.

538
00:23:19,919 --> 00:23:22,159
Um the inefficiencies and obsolescence

539
00:23:22,159 --> 00:23:25,840
of AV equipment is a real problem and

540
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,440
the fact that this space is currently

541
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,760
available but may not be available uh if

542
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,799
we don't move on it. Uh I I think we

543
00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:35,440
need to to do something today. Thank

544
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,400
you. Okay.

545
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,159
Any response? No. Okay. Go ahead,

546
00:23:40,159 --> 00:23:43,360
Council Lohead.

547
00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:45,039
>> Thank you, Mayor McQueen. And um

548
00:23:45,039 --> 00:23:47,200
apologies, I I can't be in chambers

549
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,120
today. It's actually my my wife's

550
00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:52,159
grandfather's 92nd birthday tomorrow, so

551
00:23:52,159 --> 00:23:53,760
um in Ottawa, so I wasn't able to make

552
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,200
it home. Um but uh I'm agreeing here

553
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,600
with uh with Councelor Allen in regards

554
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,480
to um this decision being made by this

555
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,679
council for for future councils. Um it's

556
00:24:05,679 --> 00:24:07,679
a a point well taken that only one is

557
00:24:07,679 --> 00:24:10,640
guaranteed to remain uh going forward.

558
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,320
Um this is a big decision and I

559
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,679
understand um staff's um the the urgency

560
00:24:15,679 --> 00:24:17,360
with which staff brought this forward to

561
00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:18,799
make sure that they they got this off of

562
00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:20,320
the list. I mean this is at the last day

563
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:21,440
to deal with this in this term of

564
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,919
council. Um but it's uh it's a big

565
00:24:23,919 --> 00:24:26,400
decision. It comes with a a big price

566
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,360
tag um at a time when we're facing a lot

567
00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:32,799
uh increasing um budgetary pressures. Um

568
00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:34,880
I [clears throat] I have a feeling that

569
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,720
uh the next term of council um may very

570
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,039
well not agree with this decision and I

571
00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:42,720
think it's their council chambers and

572
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,600
their decision to make. Um so although I

573
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,360
understand that we we're not perfectly

574
00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:49,360
in compliance with accessibility uh

575
00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:51,919
legislation currently as our CEO says

576
00:24:51,919 --> 00:24:54,080
we're able to make things work. Um, I

577
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,279
have a feeling we'll be able to make

578
00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:57,840
this work and I I uh think that this

579
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,320
decision should be deferred to the next

580
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,400
term of council, the upcoming term of

581
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,960
council and um that council can make

582
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,440
this decision.

583
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,799
>> Okay. I will read the I will will read

584
00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:12,559
the resolution and if somebody cares put

585
00:25:12,559 --> 00:25:14,159
it on the table or what's your wish

586
00:25:14,159 --> 00:25:18,230
counc

587
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,279
um to our CEO what is the risk if we do

588
00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:25,840
not um move ahead with uh with this

589
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,799
motion as presented. Thank you.

590
00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:30,000
>> Go ahead.

591
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,880
>> Thank you Mayor McQueen to you. Um so

592
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,440
obviously the risk is losing prime real

593
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,679
estate right next door. Uh I know it's

594
00:25:37,679 --> 00:25:40,960
not ideal and not in one building. Um if

595
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:46,159
we uh are at capacity or um I don't want

596
00:25:46,159 --> 00:25:48,960
to go down the human rights side of

597
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:54,400
things but um are forced uh to to

598
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,720
make our space accessible by the

599
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,720
province for some reason. Um we may have

600
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,760
to look at alternative

601
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:08,799
uh facilities. We do have a very decent

602
00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:11,679
uh rental agreement with the county. Um

603
00:26:11,679 --> 00:26:14,880
they've been um very good uh with their

604
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,600
rental rates. Um and and they have told

605
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,480
me that the same square footage rate

606
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,440
will apply to the kids and us space. Um

607
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,320
it's just a matter of you know like I

608
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:32,720
said amending the existing lease. So no price increase per square foot. Um so

609
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,840
those are the risks. uh if if if we're

610
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,120
forced into relocating at least the

611
00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:42,640
council chambers and and uh making

612
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,919
everybody's workstation accessible. Uh I

613
00:26:45,919 --> 00:26:48,480
don't know where we would find a space

614
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,400
large enough uh within Grey Islands to

615
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,000
accommodate everything. So that's a bit

616
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,840
of a risk. um we can look at uh dividing

617
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,640
and and splitting up and housing people

618
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,279
in other locations uh across the

619
00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:05,919
municipality. We do have the Rockland

620
00:27:05,919 --> 00:27:09,520
Schoolhouse that is vacant. Um uh that's

621
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,200
a possibility. Um but other than that,

622
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,679
uh we're talking about facilities like

623
00:27:15,679 --> 00:27:19,120
our community halls or or uh the complex

624
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:21,279
for overflow. So,

625
00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:24,159
>> so just before I go to another calls

626
00:27:24,159 --> 00:27:28,000
here, I guess um I'm sort of seeking if

627
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,279
there is I hear support support for

628
00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:33,840
possibly a lease or deferring it. So, I

629
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,279
just want to throw that out there that

630
00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:36,720
before I read it off if there's some

631
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,679
direction for me then I'll take that.

632
00:27:39,679 --> 00:27:41,279
So, I'll get councelor Allen first and

633
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:43,279
then

634
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:47,039
>> Well, I was going to make a motion and I

635
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:48,880
guess a question through you to the

636
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,559
clerk.

637
00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:52,400
If this is just received for

638
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,720
information,

639
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,679
can it be brought back

640
00:27:57,679 --> 00:28:01,600
to new council? Okay. in the same

641
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,559
basically the same

642
00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:10,549
>> M court. [clears throat]

643
00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:12,320
» Um through you mayor McQueen. Thank you

644
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,640
for that question. If this is received

645
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,039
for information essentially the uh

646
00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:22,159
project is done. Um so I would say no.

647
00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:23,440
This would not be brought back to the

648
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,120
new council if this was just received

649
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:27,360
for information.

650
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:29,520
>> Okay. So you could receive information

651
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,080
and be directed to go to the new new

652
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:32,640
council.

653
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,120
>> Yeah. Well, I think all we'd have to do

654
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:37,039
and I'll make the motion is to defer

655
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:41,269
this to new council.

656
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:43,760
» Okay. Is that a proper procedure, Madam

657
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,120
Madame Clerk?

658
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,159
>> Just want to make sure we're

659
00:28:48,159 --> 00:28:51,990
procedurally.

660
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,440
» Um, so for a deferral, we need a time.

661
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,919
So um and a purpose

662
00:28:59,919 --> 00:29:01,679
for the deferral.

663
00:29:01,679 --> 00:29:03,120
>> Well, the purpose would be for the next

664
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,760
council to decide and the time would be

665
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,600
in

666
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:12,159
within the next available council uh agenda.

667
00:29:12,159 --> 00:29:13,760
>> No, I don't think we should have it at

668
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,880
the first council meeting.

669
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:17,200
>> No,

670
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,360
>> when staff feels that new council is

671
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:24,080
ready to make an informed decision.

672
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,799
>> Okay. I I you're you're dropping a

673
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:28,399
motion. So I want to make sure we drop

674
00:29:28,399 --> 00:29:29,840
that motion before I ask for a second.

675
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,840
Now councelor Lohead, are you are you

676
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:36,789
seconding that or Okay.

677
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:39,039
Now there is the issue around the lease

678
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:40,559
and securing that lease which I think

679
00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:42,399
you said something. Could the lease and

680
00:29:42,399 --> 00:29:43,600
while that's being drafted I guess

681
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,760
through you madam to you madam co can

682
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,520
the draft if if that was part of could

683
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,640
the could the leasing still be

684
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,880
secured or discussing could that come

685
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,520
back to this current council

686
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,650
madame clerk I'm stepping out of order

687
00:29:58,650 --> 00:29:59,440
[laughter]

688
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,039
>> um through you mayor McQueen if we are

689
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:02,720
putting a deferral motion on the floor

690
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,399
that's all we can discuss is the

691
00:30:04,399 --> 00:30:06,640
deferral so I want to be clear that if

692
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,600
council has intentions of doing part of

693
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:10,399
this motion

694
00:30:10,399 --> 00:30:11,279
>> I'm thinking Yeah,

695
00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:13,840
>> then we should not put a deferral on

696
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:14,880
just yet.

697
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,279
>> But it is councelor Allen's wishes. So I

698
00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:18,799
want to kind of go back there

699
00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:20,320
>> and that's it's very important he knows

700
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,080
all the aspects of what he's getting

701
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,399
himself ahead of here. Go ahead.

702
00:30:24,399 --> 00:30:26,880
>> I'm making a motion to defer the whole

703
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,360
thing because we don't need a lease

704
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,919
agreement if new council decides not to

705
00:30:31,919 --> 00:30:33,039
go forward.

706
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:34,960
>> Okay, it's pretty clear. Council

707
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,840
Lowhead, were you seconding that?

708
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,919
Okay, that motion's on the floor. Deputy

709
00:30:39,919 --> 00:30:41,360
mayor

710
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,039
Thank you very much, Mayor McQueen. I

711
00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:44,799
would think that we should be a bit more

712
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:46,799
specific with when the deferring is

713
00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:49,520
happening. Um, I would disagree that the

714
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,159
first meeting of council uh isn't the

715
00:30:52,159 --> 00:30:54,480
best one. Part of this is a budgetary

716
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,159
discussion. Part of this is

717
00:30:56,159 --> 00:30:57,760
understanding what the cost might be.

718
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,960
So, if you want the next term of council

719
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,880
to take a look at this and consider it,

720
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,279
then it should be considered

721
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:07,360
right away so that there can be a budget

722
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,760
discussion as part of the 2027 budget.

723
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,200
And then that way um you're not

724
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,880
potentially losing an entire year like

725
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,480
at the part of the leasing cost and all

726
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:17,840
that kind of stuff would be part of that

727
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,640
discussion. Um and then I think it could

728
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:25,440
be a bit more successful. So that's my

729
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:26,880
sorry I didn't look under my paper.

730
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,760
Amend a deferral to the actual specific

731
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,679
date of the first regular council

732
00:31:31,679 --> 00:31:33,039
meeting of the next term.

733
00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:36,240
>> So point of order your point.

734
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,919
>> Yeah. I mean if if the motion to defer

735
00:31:37,919 --> 00:31:40,000
is on the floor moved and second it is

736
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,519
not debatable. The only thing that's

737
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:44,159
discussed is the time

738
00:31:44,159 --> 00:31:45,279
>> and discuss time

739
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:47,440
>> no amendments can be made

740
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,720
>> right amendments. Yeah. So madam clerk

741
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,159
can you read the motion off so that

742
00:31:52,159 --> 00:31:53,279
everybody's clear with the motion and

743
00:31:53,279 --> 00:32:00,470
then I got councelor Wickens

744
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,880
the deferral motion. You can't make

745
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:08,630
amendment to a deferral motion.

746
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,080
little bar here somewhere

747
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,760
>> through you, Mayor McQueen. Um, that

748
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,000
council defer the consideration of this

749
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,760
report uh to the new term of council.

750
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,039
>> Yep. And I'm would presume that the

751
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:22,480
first meeting of the new council would

752
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,240
be in the early part of December

753
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,960
generally, right?

754
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,240
>> Well, there'll be one in November.

755
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,760
Oh, no. The first meeting the first

756
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,840
meeting of council

757
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,760
>> sheet says it can be amended and can be

758
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,120
debated and I both like to amend it.

759
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,880
>> Okay, hang on. Hang on. So I'm I got if

760
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,480
you're pointing point I got I got to

761
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,519
check this out. So uh this is for a

762
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:47,039
deferral

763
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:50,559
and it says uh debatable. Yes.

764
00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:53,679
Amendable. Yes.

765
00:32:53,679 --> 00:32:56,157
>> Madam clarity on that madam clerk.

766
00:32:56,157 --> 00:32:56,720
[laughter]

767
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,200
>> Through you mayor McQueen. You can't

768
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,600
amend the deferred part. What you can

769
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,919
amend is the time in which it's deferred

770
00:33:03,919 --> 00:33:05,519
to.

771
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:08,480
So yes, that is debatable and amendable.

772
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,360
>> The spe the the specifics of the

773
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,240
deferral.

774
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:12,720
>> Yes,

775
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,039
>> you're clear. Okay. Are you making

776
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:16,320
amendment?

777
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,080
>> I will amend to defer to the first

778
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,360
regular meeting of the new term of

779
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:19,760
council.

780
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,840
>> Do I have a second for that? Councelor

781
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,279
Duby. And that's what I was trying to

782
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:25,039
get clarity when that was going to be.

783
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:26,799
>> Okay. I got councelor Duby. I did want

784
00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:28,159
to catch councelor Wickkins because he

785
00:33:28,159 --> 00:33:33,440
hasn't spoke yet but uh I'll allow the amendment to to stand because

786
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,360
it's sort of small to the main part. So

787
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:36,640
go ahead councelor Dubick you wish to

788
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,120
speak to the amendment. Yeah, but just

789
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,200
in in support of that um I think it is

790
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,640
like I think timing here is also

791
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,200
important so that we continue to um make

792
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,000
a decision sooner than later and um it

793
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,799
is something that you know should be put

794
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:52,720
so agree in terms of you know it should

795
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,640
be put you know on the first meeting

796
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,240
possible for the new council. Um we you

797
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,720
know we don't want to lose it. Um you

798
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,720
know the county you know if we defer it

799
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,720
too long the county u may not have

800
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,039
confidence in us to to move through with

801
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:08,480
it. Thank you.

802
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,320
>> I I would say we probably been a pretty

803
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,399
good tenant

804
00:34:12,399 --> 00:34:14,079
and we pay our bills. I see them. They

805
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:17,200
sign off on them. Okay. Anything? Do you

806
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:18,720
want to speak to the deferral, Council

807
00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:19,679
Rickens? Because I know you wanted to

808
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,639
speak to the main.

809
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:24,399
>> No, no, I realize that. So, that's what

810
00:34:24,399 --> 00:34:27,679
I'm saying. Do you want to speak to the amendment that's on the floor,

811
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:28,960
Council Rickens?

812
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,440
>> Yeah. I'll I'll say that I'll support

813
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,320
the amendment because I mean we went

814
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:42,629
over and rese

815
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:44,879
uh we don't know how many seats we're

816
00:34:44,879 --> 00:34:46,399
going to gain in the gallery. We don't

817
00:34:46,399 --> 00:34:49,359
know how much it's going to cost us

818
00:34:49,359 --> 00:34:52,079
uh for the renting of it and we haven't

819
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:53,599
seen a design.

820
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:54,800
>> We don't know what the place is going to

821
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,960
look like. I got to be careful not to

822
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,400
>> I know but there's a lot of stuff we

823
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,240
don't know. So I'm just saying I'm

824
00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:01,920
supporting

825
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,359
>> the deferral. How's that?

826
00:35:03,359 --> 00:35:04,800
>> Well the deferral right now as to the

827
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:05,920
first council meeting. We're still going

828
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,200
to come back to the main motion. Yeah.

829
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,640
Okay. I'll come back to you. And just

830
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,320
for clarity there was a statement. Do

831
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,160
you wish to clarify that statement with

832
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,160
regards to kids or back

833
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,720
>> for a point of clarity? Kids and us is

834
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:18,480
not in the location that the staff are

835
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,240
looking at. Kids and us is taking over a

836
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:21,760
smaller portion in the front of the

837
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:22,240
building.

838
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:22,880
>> Yeah.

839
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,079
>> So it is

840
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:25,760
>> Yeah. and they're still not there.

841
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,280
That's my clarity. They're still not in

842
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,119
this space with time.

843
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:30,800
>> Okay. So, the amendment that's on the

844
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,400
floor is to bring it to the first

845
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,880
meeting of the new council.

846
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,599
>> That I'm clear on that council or madam

847
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:38,320
clerk.

848
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:39,920
>> Just for clarity, I put the first

849
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,280
regular meeting because I don't want it

850
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,400
to come to the inaugural. [laughter]

851
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,440
>> Yeah, that's that's that's good. No.

852
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,160
Okay. Any last discussion on the

853
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,440
amendment to the deferral?

854
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,640
Seeing none. All in favor?

855
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,720
Opposed?

856
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:01,280
That's carried. Okay. Council Rickens,

857
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,359
do you wish to add anything else to the

858
00:36:03,359 --> 00:36:04,960
motion that has been amended? The

859
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,359
deferral that has been amended. Do you

860
00:36:07,359 --> 00:36:08,160
wish to speak to

861
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,150
>> No, it's all good.

862
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,720
» Okay. So, the main motion is on the

863
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:17,040
floor is to defer it with the time. Any

864
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,640
last uh discussion on it being deferred

865
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,280
to the new council at the first regular

866
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,240
council meeting?

867
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:28,960
Any last comments from staff? Seeing

868
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,680
none, all in favor?

869
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:36,240
Opposed? That is carried. Okay. So,

870
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:38,640
these trusty little sheets come in handy

871
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,960
once in a while.

872
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,240
All right. Moving on then to the next

873
00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:46,400
item, which is uh that saved me reading

874
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,520
that all off. So, next item is 4.2, the

875
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,839
Flesherin uh depot roof replacement.

876
00:36:53,839 --> 00:36:55,359
And I'm just going to pull it back here

877
00:36:55,359 --> 00:36:57,760
to pull that up. [clears throat]

878
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,400
So, this was brought to our last council

879
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,560
meeting with regards to an urgent

880
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,280
circumstance that has arose with the

881
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,079
Flesherin depot. There is a a motion

882
00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:10,560
there. There's a report. I don't know

883
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,160
your staff or Chris, do you wish to add

884
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,480
anything to that report? Uh, director

885
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:20,790
Kornfield.

886
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,480
» Um, through you, Mayor McQueen. Uh, no.

887
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,240
Um, but obviously if there's questions,

888
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:25,920
uh, we'll answer those bill.

889
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,920
>> It was on our published agenda, so I'll

890
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,839
go out then to council with and then

891
00:37:29,839 --> 00:37:31,440
I'll I'll read the motion here if

892
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,119
there's feeling toward that. Go ahead,

893
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:34,560
councelor Allen.

894
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,760
>> I'll move the motion as written.

895
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,599
Council Rickens a second. So, I'll read

896
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:42,160
it that council receives sorry, council

897
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,480
received report TPS

898
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:49,280
26- uh27 Flesher depot roof replacement

899
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,440
for information and that council directs

900
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,800
staff to award the Flesher depot roof

901
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,960
replacement project to HB by

902
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,599
construction and engineering as a

903
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:02,880
limited tender under section D4 and that

904
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,160
council authorize an upset limit of

905
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,079
$280,000.

906
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:11,920
Sorry. $280,000 excluding HST to be

907
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,240
funded from the facility reserve. And

908
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:16,400
that's been moved by councelor Allen,

909
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,920
second by councelor Wicens.

910
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,400
Discussion.

911
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,320
Any discussion?

912
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,160
All right. Seeing none, all in favor?

913
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,880
That is carried unanimously. Okay. Well,

914
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,400
that's we've been on now to 4.3.

915
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,240
Okay.

916
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:40,800
So, uh, 4.3, this is regards to the

917
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,520
Rocklin Arena phase one investigation

918
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,240
and stabilization update and we have,

919
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:49,920
uh, director, uh, Krauss here today, and

920
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,119
there is a report there. Uh, I don't

921
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:55,920
know, Shaunette, if you have any, uh,

922
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,400
comments or any any other things you

923
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,720
wish to add with regards to that report.

924
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:02,800
>> Uh, the report uh, stands as is.

925
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,560
Unfortunately, I don't have anything new

926
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,119
uh to report at this point in time other

927
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:11,440
than Belffor is working away at uh the

928
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,839
investigation at this point as well too.

929
00:39:13,839 --> 00:39:15,920
I do want to bring up a few one more

930
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,480
item though. Um I know there's been a

931
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,040
lot of concern and and uh that in

932
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,359
regards to some of the remediation staff

933
00:39:23,359 --> 00:39:25,680
walking in and out of the building uh

934
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,839
without PPE. I do want to make it very

935
00:39:27,839 --> 00:39:30,640
clear to to council and the public that

936
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,119
they have a cleaned area when they get

937
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:35,280
into the building. Um, everything is

938
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,880
sectioned off in there. So, yes, you

939
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,640
will see people in and out and I know

940
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,040
that is a concern, but they are they do

941
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,640
have their PPE on in there and

942
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,240
respirators. So, I just wanted to make

943
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:46,480
that uh publicly known as well too

944
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:47,760
because I know it's been a concern for

945
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,680
some people out there as well. But at

946
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,119
this point, no, I don't have anything

947
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:52,720
further to update, but we will have the

948
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:55,280
final reports as of next week. Um some

949
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,079
of the uh tests are at the uh the

950
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:00,400
laboratory uh taking place and there'll

951
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,079
be more testing as well too within the

952
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:03,440
week as well.

953
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,680
>> And I think in the report you have

954
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,760
indicated that there is um

955
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,839
machines or equipment in there trying to

956
00:40:11,839 --> 00:40:13,520
do you want to speak to that at all

957
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:14,800
please?

958
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,800
>> Uh they do currently have air scrubbers

959
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,720
and air management systems in there. So

960
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:20,320
what that does, it takes the particles

961
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,440
out of the air um so they can further

962
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,359
investigate that area without further

963
00:40:25,359 --> 00:40:27,520
contamination taking place. So

964
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,200
>> and have they indicated a certain area

965
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:30,880
that has more than other areas that have

966
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,720
more that's coming in that report?

967
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:37,119
>> At this point they haven't said uh too much. Um there is there's quite a

968
00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:39,119
few as as we all know with the testing

969
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:41,760
and that that was done before. Um but

970
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,000
they will have those recommendations and

971
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,000
uh results definitely moving forward

972
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,520
next week. And will that be available

973
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,359
for September 2nd?

974
00:40:49,359 --> 00:40:49,839
>> Yes.

975
00:40:49,839 --> 00:40:52,880
>> Would that be? Okay. All right.

976
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,720
Questions from council members. So,

977
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:58,560
there is a there is a recommended uh

978
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,480
resolution there, but uh go ahead,

979
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,000
Deputy Mayor.

980
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,839
>> Uh right now, I'll just move the motion

981
00:41:03,839 --> 00:41:05,760
to get on the floor for discussion.

982
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,280
>> Yeah. Do I have a second dub? So, the

983
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,280
council receives report CSD

984
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,040
26.22

985
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,880
22 Rockland Arena phase one

986
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,760
investigation and stabilization update

987
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,319
for for information and that's moved by

988
00:41:22,319 --> 00:41:25,599
Deputy Mayor Nilson second by councelor

989
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:28,640
Dubik. Discussion

990
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,920
councelor Dubik.

991
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,079
>> Uh thank you Mayor McQueen. Um so just a

992
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:37,920
question for staff. Um, so the Rockland

993
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,079
fall fair is coming up and and I do want

994
00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:43,520
to thank everybody um for cooperating um

995
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,400
you know between community um and staff

996
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,440
so that the fall fair can be another

997
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,520
success as it always is. Um and we do so

998
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,760
there are um accommodations that need to

999
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,640
be made. Um I do understand um you know

1000
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,440
that the egg society has been working

1001
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,160
with staff to provide a list of items to

1002
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,079
make sure that they do have what they

1003
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:09,200
need. Um so just a question to staff,

1004
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,040
could you just provide us um an update

1005
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,520
in terms of you know how is that going?

1006
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,280
Um and B, um are there any financial

1007
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,359
implications that need to be considered,

1008
00:42:19,359 --> 00:42:20,720
you know, given the fact that they're

1009
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:23,680
moving out of the regular facility and

1010
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,839
possibly needing to rent tents, etc. to

1011
00:42:27,839 --> 00:42:30,640
facilitate to facilitate the event.

1012
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:31,839
Thank you,

1013
00:42:31,839 --> 00:42:33,440
>> Director Rose.

1014
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,760
>> Mayor McQueen to councelor Dubick. Yes,

1015
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,359
actually the fair has been really great.

1016
00:42:37,359 --> 00:42:39,440
They've provided a nice email of what is

1017
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,599
needed and what they have already. Uh we

1018
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:44,240
will be going in. staff will um be going

1019
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:46,160
to the facility next week. We will

1020
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,880
coordinate that with the fair and have

1021
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,359
those items removed from the building by

1022
00:42:51,359 --> 00:42:54,560
the remediators. There was a request uh

1023
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,960
to use an alternate facility. We are

1024
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,720
actually looking into that at the moment

1025
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:02,079
to see um its cleanliness and and if

1026
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:04,640
it's up to up to par and that to to host

1027
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,040
such a such an event as well too. So

1028
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,800
that you will have an answer to that as

1029
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,520
well too. In regards to finances, yes.

1030
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,920
Um the group has asked for chairs and

1031
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,920
such items. Um other things may come up

1032
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,000
between now and then as well too. That's

1033
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:28,800
all underneath the 50,000 threshold and can be decided upon I'm sure um if

1034
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,400
need be if we're in a lame duck

1035
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,430
situation.

1036
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,079
any followup or and I know you had a

1037
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:38,640
meeting last Thursday with the community

1038
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,720
group and I I want to thank Shet for

1039
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:42,240
providing some information for that

1040
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:44,800
meeting. I think that was important and

1041
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,040
a continuation of information is always

1042
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,760
important as well, right? So, council

1043
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,680
councelor Allen,

1044
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,079
>> thank you.

1045
00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:57,680
I was really hoping that we

1046
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,079
would have had a report for this

1047
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:01,520
meeting. Me too.

1048
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,800
>> But obviously not so that we could have

1049
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,520
made an informed decision. I'm just

1050
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,000
thinking of all the things and I've made

1051
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,960
a a list. I could be missing things.

1052
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,680
There's the ice plant, remediation of

1053
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,440
mold, perhaps remediation of asbestous,

1054
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,480
reconstruction costs, HVAC equipment

1055
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,160
replacement, and then other equipment,

1056
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,640
I'll call it, like mats and things that

1057
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,720
I'm sure they're a lot of the things are

1058
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:32,400
going to be just thrown out as opposed

1059
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:32,720
to

1060
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:34,000
>> we rent the mats.

1061
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,599
>> Okay. All right.

1062
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:40,870
>> Yeah, but it'll have to be changed. So,

1063
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,839
is that a million dollars or is it two

1064
00:44:43,839 --> 00:44:47,200
million or is it 5 million? We have no

1065
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:54,390
idea. Um I just

1066
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,240
I'll just end it there because I I don't

1067
00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:58,319
know what we're going to do, what we can

1068
00:44:58,319 --> 00:45:00,480
do at this point. So, so a thought I had

1069
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:01,839
mentioned at our last meeting or the

1070
00:45:01,839 --> 00:45:03,920
special meeting was is could they get

1071
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,040
the arena open before the other part the

1072
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,720
arena is the big part for the for the

1073
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:13,440
winter ice surface time and uh um I have

1074
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,119
some comments I'll add maybe in a minute

1075
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:18,400
but you know is it in bite size and and

1076
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,680
I understand from the 2012 report that

1077
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,520
there were some indication of some

1078
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:24,880
pressure they went in with pressure

1079
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,720
washes and it cleaned the arena out that

1080
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:28,720
was able to be done. Go ahead, council.

1081
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:32,720
>> But to me, we still need to know

1082
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:34,720
those other costs. If they say, "Okay,

1083
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:38,480
to get the arena going, it's it's

1084
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,520
600,000 or, you know, 200,000 or a

1085
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,870
million.

1086
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,040
Do we put that money into it not knowing

1087
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,800
what the other half is going to cost

1088
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,760
us?" There comes a point when we have to

1089
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,800
decide, is this something that we can

1090
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,480
fix or do we replace?

1091
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,720
like if if the hall is to the point

1092
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:02,160
where it's going to cost millions of

1093
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,560
dollars, tear it down and build a new

1094
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:05,760
hall.

1095
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,839
>> Um like we're starting I think I think

1096
00:46:09,839 --> 00:46:13,599
we're some of us are thinking

1097
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:17,599
to throw money at this not knowing what

1098
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:21,589
the total cost is.

1099
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:23,040
» Yeah, there's there's a bit of unknown

1100
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,040
for sure. I guess the point is from what

1101
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,119
I've seek from clarity here from staff

1102
00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:30,079
was if this is left and there's no upset

1103
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:31,599
limit of any money to be spent so

1104
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:33,359
basically receive it for information

1105
00:46:33,359 --> 00:46:35,599
then it's dealt with the new council

1106
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:38,480
which I think the first meeting is in

1107
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,440
December some point of time does that

1108
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,599
mean that this winter season for the

1109
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:48,720
hockey is is no longer I think that's the big issue because we because

1110
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:50,560
up until today this body can have an

1111
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,440
upset upset limit to what that could

1112
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,079
maybe to get the ice surface open. If

1113
00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:59,040
not, after tomorrow, it goes to the new

1114
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,040
council and that information and and

1115
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,720
even that report comes forward on the

1116
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:04,720
2nd.

1117
00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:07,920
Any money under 50,000, which could be

1118
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,280
small for the fair, and get that stuff

1119
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:10,880
going,

1120
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,160
it's lost. Madam clerk,

1121
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:15,359
through you, Mayor McQueen, I just

1122
00:47:15,359 --> 00:47:17,200
wanted to comment um that staff reports

1123
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:18,560
are actually due tomorrow for the

1124
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,800
meeting on the 2nd. So, if we didn't

1125
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,160
have the information today, I highly

1126
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:23,680
doubt we're going to have it in time for

1127
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:24,560
the second,

1128
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:25,359
>> right?

1129
00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:28,240
>> Just just if we can, great. If we can't,

1130
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:29,119
>> yeah,

1131
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:29,520
>> well,

1132
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:30,319
>> just be prepared.

1133
00:47:30,319 --> 00:47:32,400
>> It just I think the fair is on the 20,

1134
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,160
what's the date of the M the Rockland

1135
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:35,760
fair and if that doesn't come into the

1136
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,280
second meeting in September, that could

1137
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,720
be problematic as well.

1138
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:42,400
Do you have any comment to that? Uh,

1139
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,319
Director Gross. No, I do. Okay.

1140
00:47:46,319 --> 00:47:48,800
>> Sure. uh through you I know uh it has

1141
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,400
been mentioned um once we get those

1142
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,440
reports and know what's going on there

1143
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,520
um I did speak to Belffor as requested

1144
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,800
by council after our last meeting there

1145
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,280
and they're okay to section off and work

1146
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,800
on that arena area as a priority but

1147
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,599
again it all comes down to I don't know

1148
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:09,040
how much it's going to cost we don't

1149
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:14,400
have that information in front of us at this point yet as far as the fair

1150
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,040
goes I think um I feel that we have of

1151
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,040
good working relationship and we'll

1152
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,599
definitely make sure that goes off

1153
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:24,079
without a hitch regardless if it is in a

1154
00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:25,760
building or outside of a building. Um

1155
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,599
we've had to do it and help Mark Dale

1156
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:30,079
for the last few years too unfortunately

1157
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:32,800
and um as far as that goes I think we're

1158
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:33,839
good to go.

1159
00:48:33,839 --> 00:48:35,599
>> So they they agreed to the part that the

1160
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:37,440
arena could be separated from the other

1161
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:37,920
part.

1162
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,079
>> Absolutely they did. if that's um once

1163
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:41,839
you get your once we get all the reports

1164
00:48:41,839 --> 00:48:44,000
back and and the pricing and the costing

1165
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,800
to repair that'll be the first thing we

1166
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,119
bring forward and they can definitely

1167
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:52,079
prioritize the arena section if uh

1168
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:54,000
council chooses to move ahead at that

1169
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,280
point in time with all of the

1170
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,599
recommendations.

1171
00:48:57,599 --> 00:48:58,800
>> So that's what I'm saying is there could

1172
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,319
be a possibility we could have an upset

1173
00:49:00,319 --> 00:49:04,319
limit that could cover that portion

1174
00:49:04,319 --> 00:49:06,000
as we just did in the last resolution.

1175
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,599
There was an upset limit. Councelor

1176
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:08,640
Allen,

1177
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,079
>> are there washrooms in the arena part?

1178
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:13,760
>> No, there's washrooms in the center

1179
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,319
part. Did they speak to about that?

1180
00:49:16,319 --> 00:49:17,920
Director Crow,

1181
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,079
>> for you, Mayor McQueen, to councelor

1182
00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:22,960
Allen, that would be part of the um the

1183
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,440
arena portion. So, that portion would

1184
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,839
become a priority.

1185
00:49:27,839 --> 00:49:30,079
>> And I I understand that even Wilton's

1186
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:32,960
have washrooms that could provide it if

1187
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:34,480
that was the case. I think there's

1188
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:35,920
something with the hydro panel as well.

1189
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:40,559
It's in the entrance. Yeah, it's it's yeah, it's a tough situation for

1190
00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:42,160
council to be in in the circumstances

1191
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,480
where we are, but I think from as we all

1192
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,119
recall the delegation that we had at the

1193
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:48,800
last meeting is hockey is very important

1194
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,640
in that facility and there's 140 kids in

1195
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,720
that Saturday morning hockey as well

1196
00:49:52,720 --> 00:50:00,630
along with all the other users as well.

1197
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,150
Ruby.

1198
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,520
» Thank you, Mayor McQueen. Um,

1199
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,559
timing is so unfortunate right now. Um,

1200
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:12,240
you know, and and you know, and and the

1201
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:14,480
lack of information, right? Um, so so

1202
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,960
that's that's that's the challenge. Um,

1203
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:21,440
you know, we we um, you know, there is the option of, you know, do you

1204
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,760
put an upside limit? Um, you know, is

1205
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,800
there a fair amount where council could

1206
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,480
be comfortable?

1207
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,079
um you know to you know to move to cover

1208
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:34,720
the remediation costs. So so that's sort

1209
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:37,520
of I think you know I think we should

1210
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,359
directly address that because I think

1211
00:50:39,359 --> 00:50:42,400
that's a a valid question. Um, you know,

1212
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,160
>> just on that, just on that. So, madame

1213
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,040
clerk, if if if this body was to put an

1214
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,760
upset limit of whatever that figure was

1215
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,240
and the report comes forward and the

1216
00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:54,880
report says we can we can bite-size it

1217
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,400
and we can do the arena first and do

1218
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,160
this. Can then council decide that from

1219
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,400
that upset limit, can council make that

1220
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,599
decision of up to that amount if it's

1221
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:09,839
already been approved by this body?

1222
00:51:09,839 --> 00:51:11,599
>> Uh, thank you, Mayor McQueen. I actually

1223
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:13,760
got a legal opinion on this uh just this

1224
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,200
week because I had a feeling this

1225
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:19,599
question was going to come up. Um no,

1226
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:21,200
short answer is no. Council cannot do

1227
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,280
that. Council can set an upset limit,

1228
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,079
but then during the lame duck period, C

1229
00:51:26,079 --> 00:51:28,000
council cannot make further decisions on

1230
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,200
how to spend that upset limit. Um that

1231
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:35,359
would then be under staff's uh

1232
00:51:35,359 --> 00:51:37,760
>> I guess authority at that point or it

1233
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,920
could wait to the new term of council.

1234
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,440
But during the lame duck period,

1235
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:42,000
>> right, okay,

1236
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,200
>> that can't be done.

1237
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,760
>> So if there was an upset limit set, the

1238
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,440
delegated authority or staff could make

1239
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:48,800
that decision how they spent that money

1240
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,280
up to that level.

1241
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:51,440
I

1242
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:52,880
>> think that's important that this body

1243
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,319
knows that. Thank you for that.

1244
00:51:56,319 --> 00:51:58,480
>> Yeah. And so thank you for that clarity.

1245
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,800
Um, you know, and you know, as councelor

1246
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:07,040
Ellen has pointed out, um,

1247
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,960
you know, there's there's two very

1248
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,960
important points of decision. So, one is

1249
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,119
the remediation, right? So, that's the

1250
00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:17,040
short-term remediation to keep the doors

1251
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,119
open for, you know, for the make it

1252
00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:20,880
healthy, you know. Yeah. To ensure it's

1253
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,319
healthy that people can go in uh for the

1254
00:52:24,319 --> 00:52:26,720
short term. Then it's then the second

1255
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:28,800
big decision is the what's the long-term

1256
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,559
solution? So what does this facility

1257
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:33,359
look like going forward you know for the

1258
00:52:33,359 --> 00:52:37,440
next 50 years? Um and there is an

1259
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,559
interdependency between the two. there

1260
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:43,119
can be right because if the remediation

1261
00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:47,280
is a million dollars well then why would

1262
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:48,880
we sink you know then the question

1263
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,200
becomes why would we sink a million

1264
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,000
dollars into the remediation when hey

1265
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,359
you know what unfortunately maybe we

1266
00:52:55,359 --> 00:52:59,920
have to just um not have a season and

1267
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:03,520
move all those you know move that big uh

1268
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,079
chunk of change you know um and direct

1269
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:10,240
it to the long-term next 50 years um you

1270
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:13,920
know a solution um so so it hinges on

1271
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,440
that um so so when we think about right

1272
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,280
so what I'm thinking about like you know

1273
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,920
what our next steps as council is I'm

1274
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,079
thinking about what information we have

1275
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:27,040
and when as well so when we think about

1276
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,440
September when we walk into you know so

1277
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,599
September 2nd we won't have a report

1278
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:34,480
because more information right because

1279
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,880
right maybe we'll have something maybe

1280
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,000
verbally but nothing written because we

1281
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,559
have to ensure we have a process that

1282
00:53:42,559 --> 00:53:44,559
supports proper information that comes

1283
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:47,040
to the public and right so then that

1284
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,680
means um the next meeting which is

1285
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,720
midepptember so so we'll get the report

1286
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:54,720
official report say hopefully

1287
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:57,040
midepptember if everything goes to kitty

1288
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:01,040
boot um and then so at that point you

1289
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,559
know what other information would we

1290
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:04,400
have like you know would we you know

1291
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,520
because depending upon that report and

1292
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,800
the smaller price takes attached to that

1293
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,200
report for the first you know decision

1294
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,480
for remediation. Would we also have some

1295
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,400
additional information in terms of you

1296
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,760
know a long-term um solution where you

1297
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,000
know you know and that long-term

1298
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,319
solution you know um would be you know

1299
00:54:26,319 --> 00:54:28,319
worst case scenario you tear everything

1300
00:54:28,319 --> 00:54:30,960
down and rebuild and rebuild like for

1301
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,599
like. So maybe maybe if we can just get

1302
00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:35,599
a little bit of context of what could we

1303
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:37,520
expect to help the decision-making

1304
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,640
process for midepptember.

1305
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,839
>> Dr. Crow,

1306
00:54:43,839 --> 00:54:47,760
>> there we go. Um yes, you may to

1307
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,800
councelor Dubick. Honestly, uh and I'm

1308
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,119
going to be very honest and frank, that

1309
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:54,720
is the starting point. We really can't

1310
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:57,680
look at much anything else until that

1311
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,440
report comes back because we don't know

1312
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,119
if it's that severe or not severe. We

1313
00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:05,839
don't know um once it comes back if if

1314
00:55:05,839 --> 00:55:08,640
there's mold right into the which it was

1315
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,800
suggested during the original report

1316
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,559
that it's right into the you know the

1317
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:14,800
core of the building into the the beams

1318
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,400
and the studs. So we don't know what

1319
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,440
that until all that comes back. um we

1320
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,839
don't know what that originally is is

1321
00:55:21,839 --> 00:55:23,839
going to cost at the direction of

1322
00:55:23,839 --> 00:55:26,559
council. If council does choose, I can

1323
00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:29,599
look into further um like forl like

1324
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:33,040
buildings um if you would like but again

1325
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:34,960
it's still going to be very different

1326
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,839
because of the age of the buildings. I

1327
00:55:37,839 --> 00:55:39,520
could reach out to other municipalities

1328
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:40,720
their age of their building might be

1329
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:42,960
very different. We know our system here

1330
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,680
is freon system sort of type thing that

1331
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,520
others may not have. Um, so again, a

1332
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,319
starting point after this, if if council

1333
00:55:52,319 --> 00:55:54,400
was going to look at a rebuild or

1334
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,599
pricing, you would want a good engineer,

1335
00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:01,200
a structural engineer report um to

1336
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,799
provide that information. I know that's

1337
00:56:04,799 --> 00:56:06,240
not what everyone wants to hear right

1338
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:08,720
now, but um you want to make sure if

1339
00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:10,240
you're doing it, you're doing it right.

1340
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:10,960
So

1341
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,720
>> Chadzsworth Chadzsworth went through

1342
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:15,599
this and they had hoped to rebuild, but

1343
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:17,839
it's parking lot.

1344
00:56:17,839 --> 00:56:20,640
They they made the decision up there and

1345
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:25,440
it's tore down and it's parking lot.

1346
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,720
>> Uh thank you, Mayor McQueen. I'm I'm

1347
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:32,319
I I'm speak uh through you as uh as a

1348
00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:34,799
staff member heading hurling towards

1349
00:56:34,799 --> 00:56:39,440
lame duck and uh

1350
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,400
nervously anticipating

1351
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,559
next steps. Um

1352
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:48,559
we we did have a report from a

1353
00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:51,839
consultant that said we we had twice as

1354
00:56:51,839 --> 00:56:56,799
many ice pads as as we should for 10,000

1355
00:56:56,799 --> 00:56:59,839
residents. Since then, I think we've

1356
00:56:59,839 --> 00:57:04,319
added four outdoor ice pads. Um maybe

1357
00:57:04,319 --> 00:57:06,079
five.

1358
00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:07,599
Um,

1359
00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:10,799
my concern is from a lame lame duck and

1360
00:57:10,799 --> 00:57:13,920
an upset limit standpoint, if if council

1361
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:18,160
passes an upset limit today,

1362
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,480
um, and staff makes the decision what to

1363
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,240
spend that on and then come September

1364
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,880
when the mechanic comes in and and

1365
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,040
attempts to start up the refrigeration

1366
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,799
system and that refrigeration system has

1367
00:57:32,799 --> 00:57:35,680
issues or requires there's

1368
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,440
some kind of significant repair.

1369
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:44,400
That decision is now on staff to say

1370
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,200
what this money spent on. I'm not

1371
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,680
comfortable with that. I'm not

1372
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,440
comfortable with it for many reasons.

1373
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,839
One, it it's very emotional, very

1374
00:57:53,839 --> 00:57:57,680
passionate uh situation

1375
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,200
and and two, for four years we've known

1376
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,079
this and no decision has been made. And

1377
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:06,880
now it seems unfair that these decisions

1378
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,079
are going to be put on staff.

1379
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:13,280
So I'm I'm speaking very

1380
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,040
candidly

1381
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:19,200
because I I think we need some decisions

1382
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,559
from council as to which direction they

1383
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:24,400
want to go in with the four arenas. And

1384
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,480
if that's yes, we want to keep the four

1385
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,720
arenas. We want to invest in them. at

1386
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,920
least and staff has an idea of which way

1387
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,720
this term of council is going, but we

1388
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:39,200
don't know what's on the other side and frankly

1389
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:40,799
I don't want to be the scapegoat for

1390
00:58:40,799 --> 00:58:44,880
this personally as a staff member.

1391
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,640
I would suggest if there was an upset

1392
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,400
limit that it's somewhat clearly

1393
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,599
specified or just detailed to a certain

1394
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:54,160
point of where it be should be spent and

1395
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:58,160
I would say that would be to to um to

1396
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:02,230
get the arena back open

1397
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,559
because that's the part that I think

1398
00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:07,760
it's critical I think from and again

1399
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,119
that that whole debate around four

1400
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:10,799
arenas and and that it came in through

1401
00:59:10,799 --> 00:59:12,079
that report I think there was supposed

1402
00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:14,880
to report come back with regards to that

1403
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:16,799
major report to come back with some

1404
00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:19,119
ideas of what repurposing a arena two

1405
00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:20,720
arenas were, but that report never did

1406
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:21,839
come back. There's a whole bunch of

1407
00:59:21,839 --> 00:59:23,280
reports that were supposed to come back

1408
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,599
and they never came back.

1409
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:27,760
So, you know, I guess the question is

1410
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,760
about four arenas. Yes, it's a it's a

1411
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,680
bigger debate, [clears throat]

1412
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,760
but I think this body is has maintained

1413
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:37,040
to have four arenas. So, I think I want

1414
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,680
to zero back in right now is we have we

1415
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,119
have a facility that's been closed

1416
00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:44,240
because of of health reasons and we're

1417
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,720
here today, a special meeting today to

1418
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,599
decide. We can't have the report before

1419
00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:51,760
this before 2:00 tomorrow because that's

1420
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,319
not possible. It's a disappointment, but

1421
00:59:54,319 --> 00:59:56,640
it's not possible. So, the only other

1422
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,200
option we can do here and it's been said

1423
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,000
that the arena can be sectioned off from

1424
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,400
the main part. And I think it said from

1425
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:05,839
the delegation here a couple weeks back

1426
01:00:05,839 --> 01:00:07,599
that 90% of the revenue comes from that

1427
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:11,839
arena which is important.

1428
01:00:11,839 --> 01:00:14,720
I'm getting no. Oh, I thought you were

1429
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,680
No. Anyway, that was what came back. So,

1430
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,359
I think the the business it's not going

1431
01:00:19,359 --> 01:00:20,720
to be the same kind of business if

1432
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,880
that's the case. But I think that's the

1433
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:24,319
question I I think it should in front of

1434
01:00:24,319 --> 01:00:26,160
council today. Is council prepared to

1435
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:28,400
put an upset limit? It's been mentioned

1436
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:29,920
that it could be dealt with separately

1437
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,559
than the than the main part of that uh

1438
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:35,760
community center. Is council

1439
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,160
in the M frame of mind to consider an

1440
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:39,680
upset limit to get that arena open

1441
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:41,440
today? And I guess that's a question I'm

1442
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:45,589
reaching out to this council.

1443
01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:48,480
In my mind, it's'll be up to 500,000.

1444
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,000
But Madam CO,

1445
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:51,599
>> thank you, Mayor McQueen. We also need

1446
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:54,000
to know how that's going to be funded.

1447
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,640
>> Yeah. Well, okay. That that's that's a

1448
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,880
discussion here. Yes,

1449
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,599
we do have as that management reserve.

1450
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:04,480
Councelor Lohead, you got a question.

1451
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,240
>> Sir, who am I looking at?

1452
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,480
>> Yeah. Um,

1453
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:09,839
>> yeah, thank you, Mayor McQueen. And

1454
01:01:09,839 --> 01:01:12,559
obviously there's um a lot to to

1455
01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:14,559
consider here. Um, good points coming

1456
01:01:14,559 --> 01:01:17,040
from all around the table. Um, you know,

1457
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,760
I understand our our CEO's feelings and

1458
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,680
position here. It's a very difficult

1459
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:25,359
position for our staff to be put in. Um

1460
01:01:25,359 --> 01:01:28,079
that's a large delegation of of power.

1461
01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:33,839
Um I think councelor Dubick um said it best that we I don't want to put

1462
01:01:33,839 --> 01:01:35,520
words in her mouth here, but we don't

1463
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:39,040
want to endanger the long-term um

1464
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,640
forecast of of this facility uh for the

1465
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:46,240
short-term gain of of one ice season. Um

1466
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:47,520
and we have to keep in mind it's not

1467
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:48,799
just the long-term forecast of this

1468
01:01:48,799 --> 01:01:50,400
facility. It's the long-term forecast of

1469
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,040
the, you know, um the fiscal reality of

1470
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:54,960
Grey Highlands

1471
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,960
on large. Um this is a a a very large

1472
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,119
and expensive piece of infrastructure um

1473
01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:03,520
in a big municipality that has many of

1474
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:08,000
those all aging. Um so, um we're all in

1475
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:09,599
agreement, I believe, that we would love

1476
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:12,000
to see this arena stay open and I think

1477
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,520
we can all agree that we'd love to be

1478
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,960
for it to be open this season. Um but um

1479
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,280
if that if being open this season comes

1480
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,280
at the expense of the future of the

1481
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:25,119
facility um it's it just isn't a a price

1482
01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:27,839
worth paying. So um to your point Mayor

1483
01:02:27,839 --> 01:02:30,160
McQueen of of an upset limit I mean I

1484
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,160
think it's not a bad idea but we have to

1485
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:33,599
be realistic about how big that number

1486
01:02:33,599 --> 01:02:37,190
can be.

1487
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,440
for that.

1488
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,720
I think again the upset limit

1489
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:46,799
is again it was identified in the arena

1490
01:02:46,799 --> 01:02:49,520
portion in 2012 that had mold in they

1491
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,040
went in and they took a pressure washer

1492
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:52,960
and they cleaned it up and it wasn't

1493
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,200
half a million dollars to do that. So,

1494
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:56,799
and using a half a million in the sense

1495
01:02:56,799 --> 01:02:59,520
at the top part of I I would hope really

1496
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,119
it's a lot less than that to get it

1497
01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:03,040
open. And that depends on as council

1498
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,280
Allen said with regards to washrooms and

1499
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,480
uh in the facility, but it is a bricks

1500
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,480
and mortar part of the arena itself.

1501
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,480
It's not the It's not the same as the

1502
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,119
other part where as I think Director

1503
01:03:15,119 --> 01:03:19,200
Crow said with 2x4s and and insulation

1504
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:20,640
and drywall, it's a different part of

1505
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,119
the building that probably has more more

1506
01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:24,480
and that's where I think I think that's

1507
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:26,319
where part of most of the part of it was

1508
01:03:26,319 --> 01:03:32,240
found. But again, again, it's up to that won't come back till September to

1509
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:34,319
see what that's going to be. I guess the

1510
01:03:34,319 --> 01:03:36,960
question to you Seanette is if there was

1511
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,799
funds set aside then and and if I I

1512
01:03:40,799 --> 01:03:42,559
would take it that uh Belelffort will

1513
01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:44,079
come back and they'll have it broken

1514
01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:46,559
down to what needs what

1515
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:48,240
and you did indicate that they are

1516
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,039
prepared or could look at isolating it.

1517
01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:52,559
So I think those are the points that we

1518
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:55,039
have to think about is that comes back

1519
01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:58,079
and maybe it's $100,000 to get the arena

1520
01:03:58,079 --> 01:03:59,680
back open. I know there's the issue with

1521
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:01,599
the ice surface. We have been told that

1522
01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:05,200
our person who does certify that will

1523
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:06,960
certify it for one more year. We've had

1524
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:08,240
the delegation and we've had the

1525
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,319
conversation about replacing that. We

1526
01:04:10,319 --> 01:04:11,760
know we have to look at that because of

1527
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,720
the system, but is there I guess the

1528
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:15,920
other question I think council has to

1529
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:17,119
look at is there good bricks and mortar

1530
01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:20,000
in that arena. It's not all four arenas

1531
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,160
I think are different sizes. I think

1532
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,240
that was in that one report. Councelor

1533
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:28,710
Wicens.

1534
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:30,439
» Thank you, Mayor McQueen.

1535
01:04:30,439 --> 01:04:32,950
>> [clears throat]

1536
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,599
» So, we talk about that consultant

1537
01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:37,280
report.

1538
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:38,960
I think I've said it before, but we did

1539
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,880
the math.

1540
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:45,280
Um, I think it was last year. Um, if the

1541
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,359
usage was the same and we went down to

1542
01:04:47,359 --> 01:04:50,000
two ice surfaces, we'd be running 24/7

1543
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:53,520
on two ice services.

1544
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:55,599
>> Yes.

1545
01:04:55,599 --> 01:04:59,839
>> Well, we did it then. I asked for it.

1546
01:04:59,839 --> 01:05:02,240
Anyways, uh

1547
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:05,760
so we've got uh our Markale Arena is

1548
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,480
coming back online hopefully and we have

1549
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,079
a contract and I believe it's going to

1550
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:16,230
take 75% of the ice time in Markdown.

1551
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,119
So that's going to be busy.

1552
01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:22,799
Um and our last committee, the whole we

1553
01:05:22,799 --> 01:05:25,760
voted unanimously. Uh, I mean it it

1554
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:27,920
wasn't a council decision, but everybody

1555
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:32,400
said yes, let's put the $150,000

1556
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,720
into looking and see. So, we already

1557
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:36,480
started down the rabbit hole in my

1558
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,559
opinion.

1559
01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:42,549
Um,

1560
01:05:42,559 --> 01:05:44,799
the uh

1561
01:05:44,799 --> 01:05:47,119
the thinking,

1562
01:05:47,119 --> 01:05:48,720
you know, like say Southgate's only got

1563
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:51,520
one arena. Well, that's that's true, but

1564
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:54,799
they al also have uh Flesherton and they

1565
01:05:54,799 --> 01:05:56,559
have Shelurn and they have Mount Forest

1566
01:05:56,559 --> 01:05:59,200
and they have Eaton and they have Durham

1567
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,000
all within less than 10 minutes if

1568
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,520
you're living on the outskirts of

1569
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,880
Southgate, you know. So, we're in a kind

1570
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:11,680
of a a different situation. But

1571
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:15,750
um

1572
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:17,839
Rocklin,

1573
01:06:17,839 --> 01:06:22,470
they're a rural community. Um

1574
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:23,839
that's their meeting that's their

1575
01:06:23,839 --> 01:06:26,720
meeting place

1576
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,520
and uh

1577
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:31,920
it shouldn't have be

1578
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:33,760
um I don't think they should lose their

1579
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:35,839
arena.

1580
01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:40,549
I mean, they've got a big pledge.

1581
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:43,280
This This isn't easy. Like, it's not

1582
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,480
easy for me to say this, but um I think

1583
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,119
they should keep it.

1584
01:06:49,119 --> 01:06:51,359
And uh they've got almost a quarter of a

1585
01:06:51,359 --> 01:06:53,599
million dollars.

1586
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:56,319
They say that's ready to go.

1587
01:06:56,319 --> 01:06:58,720
I think uh I'm going to make a motion we

1588
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:00,720
put an upset limit of a quarter of a

1589
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,359
million dollars.

1590
01:07:03,359 --> 01:07:06,799
And when we get all the facts and

1591
01:07:06,799 --> 01:07:08,160
everything like that, we know it's going

1592
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,240
to cost us to get it up and running. We

1593
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:12,000
can decide then whether we spend it or

1594
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:15,359
not or staff can decide to spend it or

1595
01:07:15,359 --> 01:07:16,880
not.

1596
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,920
However you want to put it

1597
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:21,440
and I'm going to put that motion on the

1598
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:22,160
floor, right?

1599
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:23,440
>> Oh, hang on. I'm going to get clarity

1600
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:24,960
here just to get it done the right way.

1601
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,291
Madam clerk,

1602
01:07:27,291 --> 01:07:27,440
>> [clears throat]

1603
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,920
>> uh, thank you, Mayor McQueen. Um, I

1604
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,079
would say that we need more than just a

1605
01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:33,680
dollar value. I would say we need

1606
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:36,640
direction on what that entails and where

1607
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:40,640
that dollar amount is coming from.

1608
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:44,000
>> All right. Uh from the uh

1609
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,839
from the standpoint of uh of uh what

1610
01:07:47,839 --> 01:07:49,200
we're going to do with the money to get

1611
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:52,000
the arena up and running

1612
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:55,680
and from uh

1613
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:59,599
from our monies that uh I'm not exactly

1614
01:07:59,599 --> 01:08:02,319
sure Anna can help me out with this. We

1615
01:08:02,319 --> 01:08:04,240
have $2 million in the account right

1616
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:11,349
now. Asset management.

1617
01:08:11,359 --> 01:08:14,799
» Just for clarity. So4 million is to get

1618
01:08:14,799 --> 01:08:17,040
the arena back up and running to come

1619
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:18,880
out of asset management reserve. Is that

1620
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:19,520
what you're saying?

1621
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:20,560
>> Yep.

1622
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,159
>> Madam clerk.

1623
01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:23,920
>> Thank you, Mayor McQueen. Just to make

1624
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:25,199
sure I have it right. You're talking the

1625
01:08:25,199 --> 01:08:27,040
arena portion only and not the hall or

1626
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:28,080
you're talking Yes.

1627
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:30,239
>> Okay. I just

1628
01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:32,560
um do you mind if I read out what I kind

1629
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,640
of have drafted so that before it's

1630
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:36,239
seconded so everybody knows?

1631
01:08:36,239 --> 01:08:37,040
>> Absolutely.

1632
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,359
>> Thank you. Um so that the main motion be

1633
01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:41,359
amended to add and that council direct

1634
01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:43,279
staff to prioritize the reopening of the

1635
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:45,120
Euphrasia Memorial Rockland Community

1636
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,600
Center Arena portion for this upcoming

1637
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:49,759
ice season and that council authorize an

1638
01:08:49,759 --> 01:08:53,199
upset limit of $250,000 excluding HST to

1639
01:08:53,199 --> 01:08:54,640
be funded from the asset management

1640
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,239
reserve.

1641
01:08:56,239 --> 01:08:58,719
>> Is that correct? That's good. Okay. Do I

1642
01:08:58,719 --> 01:09:02,550
have a seconder?

1643
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,520
Second. Councelor Duby.

1644
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,000
I think councelor Allen. Okay. From the

1645
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:08,799
mover and the second. Do you have

1646
01:09:08,799 --> 01:09:10,319
anything to from the mover and the

1647
01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:12,000
second do you have anything to add to

1648
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:13,520
the motions on the floor? And I know

1649
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,199
councelor Dubick, you did second. So I

1650
01:09:15,199 --> 01:09:16,560
we'll go to you before I go to councelor

1651
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,159
Allen.

1652
01:09:18,159 --> 01:09:20,400
>> Um so so thank you. So so I do want to

1653
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,080
get this on the floor and I just do want

1654
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:24,799
to um clerk Vanelstein, can you just

1655
01:09:24,799 --> 01:09:31,590
read that one more time?

1656
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:33,600
Um through you, Mayor McQueen, that the

1657
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,920
main motion be amended to add and that

1658
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,000
council direct staff to prioritize the

1659
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:39,440
reopening of the Euphr Frraasier

1660
01:09:39,440 --> 01:09:41,759
Memorial Rockland Community Center Arena

1661
01:09:41,759 --> 01:09:44,799
portion for this upcoming ice season and

1662
01:09:44,799 --> 01:09:46,880
that council authorize an upset limit of

1663
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:51,440
$250,000 excluding HST HST to be funded

1664
01:09:51,440 --> 01:09:54,400
from the asset management reserve.

1665
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,480
>> Go ahead.

1666
01:09:56,480 --> 01:10:00,320
Uh so so just to provide some clarity um

1667
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:02,800
you know I would also think that if the

1668
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:06,719
250 upside limit was used um it's not

1669
01:10:06,719 --> 01:10:09,679
used just to get it partially there like

1670
01:10:09,679 --> 01:10:11,520
it like it would it would need to be

1671
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:16,400
like if 250 would cover opening the the

1672
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,000
arena

1673
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,320
right so I just wanted to make sure that

1674
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:22,719
that's that's the meaning of it like we

1675
01:10:22,719 --> 01:10:25,040
wouldn't use a part we wouldn't use the

1676
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,920
250 but still keep it closed because you

1677
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:29,760
know we still had another step to go

1678
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,560
type of thing right so so 250 would have

1679
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:34,880
to cover the opening

1680
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:36,239
>> and I would think if there's maintenance

1681
01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:37,760
on something maintenance would be

1682
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:39,920
different than getting something open

1683
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:41,920
because of the the situation like if if

1684
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:43,440
it was in our budget from some other

1685
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:47,750
point right

1686
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:48,560
» go ahead

1687
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:50,159
>> right and then the the flip side to that

1688
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:51,920
then is you know if if it would cost

1689
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:54,400
more than 250 then we wouldn't we

1690
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:55,600
wouldn't

1691
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,840
move ahead and then it would be closed

1692
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,000
for the season.

1693
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,480
>> Okay. I'm looking at councilor Wiccans

1694
01:11:02,480 --> 01:11:04,159
what you're like it just needs to be

1695
01:11:04,159 --> 01:11:05,360
clear because staff need to have that

1696
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:09,430
clarity too, right?

1697
01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:12,000
I'm happy with that.

1698
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:15,040
And maybe the Rockland folks would if I

1699
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:16,640
was over that the Rocklin folks put

1700
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,000
their money where their mouth is.

1701
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:19,520
>> So that was the question I had in the

1702
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:21,440
back of my mind. If it costs more than

1703
01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:26,159
250, can donations from the community

1704
01:11:26,159 --> 01:11:27,920
put that over to get it open? Is that a

1705
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:29,679
pro? Is that is that is that available?

1706
01:11:29,679 --> 01:11:31,040
Because I know we have donations in

1707
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:34,159
other Kimberly in the Kimberly Forest.

1708
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:36,640
We have Kimberly Hall has donations that

1709
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:38,320
does hang on just saying I'll get to

1710
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,320
you. Does donations because you asked

1711
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:42,880
the question. Does donations

1712
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:47,600
can help if it was cost 300,000?

1713
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:48,960
because I think that's an important part

1714
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,280
that needs to be cleared. Madam seal,

1715
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:55,600
>> thank thank you um member Queen to you.

1716
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,640
Th this is very muddy. [laughter]

1717
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:00,480
We're now talking about approving

1718
01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:02,000
$250,000

1719
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:05,840
and staff has the delegated authority to

1720
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:07,600
spend that. But now you're talking about

1721
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:09,920
if it costs more and the community comes

1722
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,800
forward, then

1723
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,199
we we can

1724
01:12:15,199 --> 01:12:16,800
ask some clarity. Is that a possibility?

1725
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:18,159
Can that work? Can that happen?

1726
01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:20,880
>> No, that doesn't work. We need clear

1727
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:24,320
direction. We can't we can't move into

1728
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:29,360
lame duck on um maybe the community is

1729
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:32,320
going to pay for the different like

1730
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,000
no we we would put that in the motion

1731
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:35,760
that if that was the case I think that's

1732
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:37,760
the question was being asked is if

1733
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:39,760
that's the case

1734
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:41,360
is it a possibility if it's in the

1735
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:44,800
motion that if it was a little bit more

1736
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,800
can the volunteer money or can the

1737
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,280
community put it over that top

1738
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:52,159
>> no it needs to sorry mine needs to be

1739
01:12:52,159 --> 01:12:53,199
clear. That's what I'm saying.

1740
01:12:53,199 --> 01:12:55,920
>> It needs to be not if or

1741
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:56,880
>> okay

1742
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:00,400
>> a little bit. It's got to be this must

1743
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:02,159
happen. If this happens, this happens

1744
01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:04,320
then this happens. It has to be clear

1745
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:05,760
direction for staff.

1746
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:06,880
>> Okay. We'll come back to councelor

1747
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:08,239
Allen. Sorry, I apologize. you were

1748
01:13:08,239 --> 01:13:09,360
given.

1749
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,400
>> So, is this money to go towards

1750
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:17,120
remediation and reconstruction

1751
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:21,440
only or if the plant is ready to fire up

1752
01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:24,000
and it doesn't fire? Does the money go

1753
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,159
towards that?

1754
01:13:26,159 --> 01:13:29,199
>> Well, that's why I said there's there's budget money would normally make

1755
01:13:29,199 --> 01:13:30,400
maintenance money or whatever that would

1756
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:30,800
be.

1757
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:32,239
>> I don't think a new ice plant is

1758
01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:32,800
maintenance.

1759
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:34,800
>> Oh, no, no, no. But I think I think if

1760
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:37,840
that's if it doesn't if that fails, that

1761
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:39,679
doesn't matter if the arena's is the way

1762
01:13:39,679 --> 01:13:41,440
it is. If that fails, that would happen

1763
01:13:41,440 --> 01:13:43,360
anyway, even if this didn't come.

1764
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,920
>> I'm I'm going to say this and I'm going

1765
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:48,239
to say it right to the Rockton people

1766
01:13:48,239 --> 01:13:50,000
that

1767
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:53,120
I'd love you to have the arena for this

1768
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:54,400
ice season.

1769
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:56,320
>> I I I sort of think you got to go

1770
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:57,199
through me. I

1771
01:13:57,199 --> 01:13:57,920
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1772
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:01,280
>> But I'm just facing this way.

1773
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,040
But

1774
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:08,000
we're expected to make a decision with

1775
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,480
next to no information.

1776
01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:14,719
We're elected to be fiscally responsible

1777
01:14:14,719 --> 01:14:17,920
and this is not

1778
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:20,640
just throwing a number out there and

1779
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:25,600
saying fix it if it needs it. And

1780
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:28,960
I don't know. I I'm sorry. I'm sorry,

1781
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:33,040
but I cannot support

1782
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:36,080
just throwing a number out and I I need

1783
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,640
information.

1784
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:42,470
Deputy Mayor,

1785
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:45,760
» thank you very much, Mayor McQueen.

1786
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,080
There are a few other circumstances

1787
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,159
involved in this. It is it's not just a

1788
01:14:50,159 --> 01:14:51,840
remediation. We already know that in

1789
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:53,600
order to be allowed to open up the ice

1790
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:55,120
plant, we have to replace the

1791
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:57,280
ventilation system. That wasn't part of

1792
01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:59,679
the budget. was about a $50,000 cost.

1793
01:14:59,679 --> 01:15:02,000
So, if we're saying 250 to get it open,

1794
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:04,800
we're down to 200 for remediation.

1795
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:08,080
We know that there's um issues and

1796
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:10,560
concerns with the full building. My

1797
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:14,560
frustration, my concern is to councelor

1798
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:16,239
Wickens, you said we're starting down

1799
01:15:16,239 --> 01:15:18,239
the rabbit hole. So, we spent 150 to get

1800
01:15:18,239 --> 01:15:20,800
a report. We're going to blindly spend

1801
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:23,199
or or potentially spend 250 to get a

1802
01:15:23,199 --> 01:15:25,360
small portion of the building open and

1803
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:28,480
ignore the rest.

1804
01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:30,880
sinking another 250,000.

1805
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:32,960
Does that mean the answer is we spend

1806
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:34,400
the extra 2 million to make sure it's

1807
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:38,080
done? We know the ice surface itself has

1808
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:41,120
one season left of of guaranteed.

1809
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,120
We'll get it certified provided it it

1810
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:44,320
turns on. And Mayor McQueen, you're

1811
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:45,920
right. There is maintenance money in and

1812
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:47,760
we've been limping that machinery along

1813
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:49,280
for a long time and it is time to make

1814
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:52,800
the decision on machinery.

1815
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:56,239
I truly believe that

1816
01:15:56,239 --> 01:15:59,600
it is it is not fiscally responsible to

1817
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:01,679
just put the 250.

1818
01:16:01,679 --> 01:16:04,480
We need to get information on the full

1819
01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:07,440
cost of remediation because you get to a

1820
01:16:07,440 --> 01:16:09,760
point of how much money gets burnt as

1821
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:11,199
some cost to then make a different

1822
01:16:11,199 --> 01:16:13,360
decision or how much money gets burned

1823
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:16,000
as some cost that then

1824
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,960
drags more money into it because well

1825
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:22,159
we've already sunk this much.

1826
01:16:22,159 --> 01:16:25,280
I do believe that this body should get a

1827
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:27,600
realistic cost on a like forlike

1828
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:29,440
replacement.

1829
01:16:29,440 --> 01:16:33,760
That is for two reasons. One, I don't

1830
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:36,320
disagree that the hall and arena there

1831
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:38,719
in Rockland, given the geography of Grey

1832
01:16:38,719 --> 01:16:40,480
Highlands, makes sense to have a

1833
01:16:40,480 --> 01:16:42,560
community space there.

1834
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:44,719
What I believe is we're about to

1835
01:16:44,719 --> 01:16:47,280
potentially spend,

1836
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:48,960
you know, you do the 250, then are we

1837
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:50,000
keeping the hall? Are we going to tear

1838
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,000
off the hall? The hall portion has the

1839
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:53,520
bathrooms and the kitchen. The kitchen

1840
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:55,120
just got put in. What are we doing with

1841
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:56,960
the rest of the building? You're you're

1842
01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:00,400
spending 250,000 to get one season out

1843
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,080
of a space. I'm not done finish talking.

1844
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:03,440
>> The report, just for clarity, the

1845
01:17:03,440 --> 01:17:04,880
report, we don't know. You're you're

1846
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:05,840
speculating. You don't know.

1847
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:07,600
>> And on the rest of the building,

1848
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:08,880
>> I'm speculating. You're speculating

1849
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:11,280
$250,000 to get a portion of this

1850
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:14,480
building open for one year rather than

1851
01:17:14,480 --> 01:17:16,880
being logical and saying, "What is the

1852
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,040
full cost of the whole building? What is

1853
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:21,040
it cost to replace like for like? And

1854
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:22,719
I'm not saying building a brand new

1855
01:17:22,719 --> 01:17:24,560
shiny, you know, state-of-the-art

1856
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:28,159
facility. I'm saying like for like we

1857
01:17:28,159 --> 01:17:29,920
have a building that the BCA report is

1858
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:32,560
out there. It shows what this fully

1859
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:34,320
space needs and requires over the next

1860
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:38,239
few years. The 250,000 followed by

1861
01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:39,520
whatever else it's going to cost to

1862
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,640
remediate the building is there's no

1863
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:44,080
getting a grant for it. There's no

1864
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:45,679
getting a loan for it. Nobody's gonna We

1865
01:17:45,679 --> 01:17:47,440
can't go to the bank and borrow money to

1866
01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:51,199
clean. That is what we're trying to do.

1867
01:17:51,199 --> 01:17:52,719
We will take that right out of a

1868
01:17:52,719 --> 01:17:54,719
reserve. The asset management reserve

1869
01:17:54,719 --> 01:17:57,520
sits just over $2 million of unallocated

1870
01:17:57,520 --> 01:17:59,840
money. It has taken us eight years to

1871
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:01,520
get there. Eight years I've been on

1872
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:03,600
council. We started with very very

1873
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:05,120
little in the estimation reserve. We did

1874
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:07,360
a big splash after the tilesman sale to

1875
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:09,120
put it and to fill it up. But we have

1876
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:10,400
been working to try to build that

1877
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:13,360
reserve for a long time. 250 is a drop

1878
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:14,880
in the bucket, I think, to what the

1879
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:16,400
whole building will need to get back to

1880
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:19,520
where we were October of 2024 when we

1881
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:21,840
were able to turn it on, get going, and

1882
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,000
everything was going.

1883
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:27,360
It is not respectful to all the

1884
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:29,040
taxpayers and even to the Rockland

1885
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,199
taxpayers to to blindly sink money into

1886
01:18:31,199 --> 01:18:32,880
something without getting a wholesome

1887
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:37,040
picture. Um, I can't I can't support the

1888
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:38,719
250

1889
01:18:38,719 --> 01:18:41,679
for that reason. I think we get the

1890
01:18:41,679 --> 01:18:44,560
report in September. We get from there

1891
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:47,040
we get more information in terms of what

1892
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:49,520
is the realistic cost. We know an

1893
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,199
approximate idea of what it will cost to

1894
01:18:51,199 --> 01:18:54,400
replace the ice equipment judging from

1895
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:55,920
the two options that were presented. The

1896
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:57,520
committee of the whole have great

1897
01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:58,719
information on what that could

1898
01:18:58,719 --> 01:19:01,199
potentially cost. We can get wholesome

1899
01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:03,199
information on the remediation

1900
01:19:03,199 --> 01:19:06,080
replacement of the Rocklin if the pad

1901
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,719
needs to be replaced or not. Then we get

1902
01:19:08,719 --> 01:19:10,719
a replacement of a like forl like

1903
01:19:10,719 --> 01:19:13,199
reconstruction cost and we can compare

1904
01:19:13,199 --> 01:19:16,000
those two because a reconstruction of

1905
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,159
building a brand sorry not a reconstru

1906
01:19:18,159 --> 01:19:19,920
building a brand new arena can be

1907
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,320
debentured. we can debenture almost the

1908
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:24,239
entire amount. Obviously, put in some of

1909
01:19:24,239 --> 01:19:26,719
our own money, look for grants, look for

1910
01:19:26,719 --> 01:19:29,520
operations to be creative about what

1911
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:32,719
that space will be, green capacity wise,

1912
01:19:32,719 --> 01:19:34,800
community space-wise. There's so many

1913
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,280
more options there. And then debenture

1914
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:39,679
is a more practical 25-year investment

1915
01:19:39,679 --> 01:19:41,440
into the long term of the of the

1916
01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:43,920
community and the facility.

1917
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:46,719
$250,000 possibly cuz you know if it

1918
01:19:46,719 --> 01:19:49,280
doesn't meet that we need more and it

1919
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:52,800
doesn't go ahead for one year doesn't

1920
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:54,719
seem logical.

1921
01:19:54,719 --> 01:19:56,640
The last point I'll make is I understand

1922
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:58,560
the point the community has made that

1923
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:01,199
90% of the income from that space comes

1924
01:20:01,199 --> 01:20:03,360
from that arena and that is absolutely

1925
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:06,880
true but 90% of the cost to operate that

1926
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:09,600
arena comes from that ice too and we all

1927
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:11,520
know that the ice surfaces aren't making

1928
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,000
money and they shouldn't but let's be

1929
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,239
practical when we say that yes the

1930
01:20:16,239 --> 01:20:18,000
income comes from the ice surface and

1931
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,080
there's more income coming in from you

1932
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:22,000
know we get a lot more income and

1933
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,239
revenues from Rockland Arena Flesherton

1934
01:20:24,239 --> 01:20:26,000
arena, Markdale Arena than we do from

1935
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,480
like Maxwell Hall and Starford Hall, but

1936
01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:31,679
that ice is the big cost to operate to.

1937
01:20:31,679 --> 01:20:33,360
It's the hydro bill, it's the staffing

1938
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,040
cost, it's the equipment, it's the

1939
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:38,320
maintenance, it's a lot of other things.

1940
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:40,000
The last point I'll make on this is to

1941
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:43,440
councelor Wiccans. The 75% ice usage is

1942
01:20:43,440 --> 01:20:45,840
correct, but we don't operate our ice

1943
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:47,360
surfaces

1944
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:50,080
to a full capacity. We start ice time at

1945
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:53,199
8 in the morning, not 6. We don't we end

1946
01:20:53,199 --> 01:20:56,159
the ice time early because our residents

1947
01:20:56,159 --> 01:20:58,640
are used to having a certain level of

1948
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:00,960
capacity and availability. We can make

1949
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:02,480
that change and make sure that the

1950
01:21:02,480 --> 01:21:04,960
arenas are open earlier in the day and

1951
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:06,800
open to later so that the people can

1952
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:09,600
still use it. We went through a season

1953
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,600
with three ice services. We may need to

1954
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:12,719
do another season with three eye

1955
01:21:12,719 --> 01:21:14,480
services to allow us the time to make

1956
01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:16,640
the proper decision and not make an

1957
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:18,880
emotional one but make a realistic

1958
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:22,320
responsible decision. and and I'm now

1959
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,440
>> okay. Thank you.

1960
01:21:25,440 --> 01:21:26,880
We have invested in our other

1961
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:29,440
facilities. In 2010, we there was a

1962
01:21:29,440 --> 01:21:31,360
million dollars spent on the Markdale

1963
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:35,040
arena in 2010. We're spending money

1964
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:38,640
right now on the Fletcher Arena.

1965
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:41,040
We have uh Fibers Sham Arena is a new

1966
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:44,159
arena. It was built in ' 84, but it came

1967
01:21:44,159 --> 01:21:46,080
because the current arena was condemned

1968
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:47,520
and the community rallied and they built

1969
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:50,000
a new arena 1984.

1970
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:51,840
So those arenas are sort of established

1971
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:53,520
and the history of Rockland is

1972
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:55,840
established from the community itself as

1973
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:57,520
well.

1974
01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:00,800
Um yes, it's a big it's a big decision

1975
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:02,400
and it I would say hopefully it doesn't

1976
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:04,800
take $250,000 to get it back open

1977
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:07,199
because remember this is concrete

1978
01:22:07,199 --> 01:22:10,159
blocks, steel. It's not like drywall and

1979
01:22:10,159 --> 01:22:12,159
wood and like like the community center

1980
01:22:12,159 --> 01:22:14,320
itself. This is the arena. I would say

1981
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:16,080
probably by mid December, January, the

1982
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:17,280
mold will be all gone because it'll be

1983
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:20,719
so damn cold. There'll be no mold left.

1984
01:22:20,719 --> 01:22:23,760
Anyway, it's it's at that point.

1985
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:26,400
Somebody pointed out to me just last

1986
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:28,880
week, and I know this is a community

1987
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:30,239
decision. This is why we're here today,

1988
01:22:30,239 --> 01:22:31,120
and it's a tough one.

1989
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:32,639
>> Point of order, Mayor McQueen.

1990
01:22:32,639 --> 01:22:33,920
Respectfully, if you're going to be very

1991
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:35,199
much into your opinion, can you remove

1992
01:22:35,199 --> 01:22:36,080
yourself from this?

1993
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:37,760
>> This This is what I said, a community

1994
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:39,199
member said to me the other the other

1995
01:22:39,199 --> 01:22:42,000
day. This is not my opinion. Sure. This

1996
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:43,679
is what an opinion that somebody else

1997
01:22:43,679 --> 01:22:46,000
said. And my job is also to make sure

1998
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:49,520
council has all the information.

1999
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:51,840
So, as we know, this is a community

2000
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:54,480
decision. Person that pointed this out

2001
01:22:54,480 --> 01:22:55,760
to me, he said, "You know, it's

2002
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:57,199
interesting. If you live in an urban

2003
01:22:57,199 --> 01:23:00,400
setting like Markdale,

2004
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:01,679
you have police station down the road,

2005
01:23:01,679 --> 01:23:02,719
you have hospital down the road, you

2006
01:23:02,719 --> 01:23:03,679
have a fire department just down the

2007
01:23:03,679 --> 01:23:04,639
road, you have street lights, you have

2008
01:23:04,639 --> 01:23:06,800
stores, you live out in rural gray

2009
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:08,560
highlands, what do you have?" This is

2010
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:10,000
I'm I'm quoting what somebody else said

2011
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:12,239
to me. You have they have the community

2012
01:23:12,239 --> 01:23:13,760
center. And I think that's where we are

2013
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:16,239
today is what what does that community

2014
01:23:16,239 --> 01:23:18,719
have in that in that facility of the of

2015
01:23:18,719 --> 01:23:20,480
the proximity to where those people

2016
01:23:20,480 --> 01:23:24,080
live. And I think this is why probably

2017
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:26,239
in our Curry Highlands whether we have

2018
01:23:26,239 --> 01:23:28,320
four arenas as councelor Wick said that

2019
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:30,400
in Southgate they have one arena but

2020
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:32,159
there's arenas all around and community

2021
01:23:32,159 --> 01:23:34,800
centers all around. So I think you know

2022
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:36,719
there is a reason why we we are where we

2023
01:23:36,719 --> 01:23:38,560
are today. It's because of the community

2024
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:40,639
is is is the interest of putting in the

2025
01:23:40,639 --> 01:23:43,760
deputy mayor.

2026
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:45,199
>> I don't think there's anybody here who

2027
01:23:45,199 --> 01:23:48,400
has said shouldn't have an arena. You

2028
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:50,639
just said in 1984

2029
01:23:50,639 --> 01:23:52,000
condemned a building and built a new

2030
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:52,480
one.

2031
01:23:52,480 --> 01:23:54,000
>> 1979 it was condemned.

2032
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:54,320
>> Sorry.

2033
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:54,800
>> Yeah.

2034
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:56,400
>> And it took him 5 years to build. What

2035
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:58,960
we what I am saying is that that path

2036
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:01,520
makes more sense than some cost into a

2037
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:02,719
building that's falling apart with the

2038
01:24:02,719 --> 01:24:05,360
BCA report. Let's get the information on

2039
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:07,440
building a new arena that will last us

2040
01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:10,239
into the next half century rather than

2041
01:24:10,239 --> 01:24:13,760
sinking $250,000 to get us one year. And

2042
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:15,840
then from there there's there now you

2043
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,320
have the sunk cost or the question mark

2044
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:21,280
or the conversation.

2045
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:23,280
Staff are asking for clear direction on

2046
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:25,920
four arenas like let's get the logic and

2047
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:27,840
let's do this stuff. This should this

2048
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:29,440
conversation should have happened two

2049
01:24:29,440 --> 01:24:31,360
and a half years ago but it hasn't. We

2050
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:34,400
are here today. You you just said

2051
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:36,800
feverish went through this premise, you

2052
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:39,600
know, they they rallied. I bet the

2053
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:42,800
community of Rockland the 250 26,000

2054
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:44,560
have been fundraised is a drop in the

2055
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:46,080
bucket if we can rally to get a brand

2056
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:49,600
new arena put there. So that is we need

2057
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:51,840
that information before making a sunk

2058
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:53,840
cost decision. Mr. Mayor, I'll point

2059
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:55,760
something out. The information we need

2060
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,000
is from Belelfford.

2061
01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:59,520
That's the information we needed for

2062
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:01,600
today.

2063
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:03,600
So, we're not guessing, but it's not

2064
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:05,199
available.

2065
01:25:05,199 --> 01:25:07,679
So, the only other solution could be is

2066
01:25:07,679 --> 01:25:09,280
the what if. And I think that's what's

2067
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:10,639
on the floor right now. And I'm not

2068
01:25:10,639 --> 01:25:11,840
going to get into this debate with you

2069
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:13,440
anymore because right now there's a

2070
01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:16,719
motion on the floor about do we set

2071
01:25:16,719 --> 01:25:20,400
aside an upset limit of 250,000. It was

2072
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:22,960
asked if the community was if the

2073
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:25,840
community addit more. We need clarity on

2074
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:27,520
that.

2075
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:30,320
But right now, right now, the motion is

2076
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:32,320
on the floor. moved in a second that we

2077
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:35,280
have an upset limit to get the arena

2078
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:38,320
back in back open again.

2079
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:39,679
>> Question.

2080
01:25:39,679 --> 01:25:41,600
>> Is there any more discussion or any more

2081
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:43,440
new information?

2082
01:25:43,440 --> 01:25:48,080
Well, to call the question then you need a vote on that right madam cler

2083
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:50,159
not here. I thought we needed if you

2084
01:25:50,159 --> 01:25:51,600
called the question I thought you have

2085
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:52,960
had to have twothirds majority to call

2086
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:54,159
the question if somebody's calling a

2087
01:25:54,159 --> 01:25:56,239
question.

2088
01:25:56,239 --> 01:25:58,159
Pretty sure on that one. Well, that's

2089
01:25:58,159 --> 01:26:02,629
getting clarity. I'll go to councelor.

2090
01:26:02,639 --> 01:26:06,480
Uh, thank you, Mayor McQueen. Um,

2091
01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:09,440
I forgot what I was going to say.

2092
01:26:09,440 --> 01:26:10,159
Um,

2093
01:26:10,159 --> 01:26:12,320
>> was it about the community money or was

2094
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:14,320
>> Oh, yes. Okay. Yeah. So, so thank you

2095
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:16,159
because because I think the, you know,

2096
01:26:16,159 --> 01:26:18,719
um,

2097
01:26:18,719 --> 01:26:20,080
so, so I think there's kind of like two

2098
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:21,760
points to this, right? like, you know,

2099
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:26,080
is there a minor amount of investment

2100
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:28,159
that would be

2101
01:26:28,159 --> 01:26:30,960
um that council could have an appetite

2102
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:33,760
to provide with some very loose

2103
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:38,480
guidance, you know, to um to to staff,

2104
01:26:38,480 --> 01:26:40,000
right? And then when you start to start

2105
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,800
to add more, well, it's, you know, then

2106
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:44,639
that number starts to shift, right? And

2107
01:26:44,639 --> 01:26:46,080
so, you know, I become very

2108
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:47,760
uncomfortable, right, when when it start

2109
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:50,560
to shift. So, so um so just kind of

2110
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:52,400
providing some I guess just from my

2111
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:54,639
perspective to me the question is you

2112
01:26:54,639 --> 01:26:59,120
know is there um you know one you know

2113
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:01,840
is there a sunk cost that council is

2114
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:04,080
comfortable with

2115
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:06,480
you know if it would cover you know the

2116
01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:10,639
reopening of the arena with very loose

2117
01:27:10,639 --> 01:27:14,400
direction to staff and so so to me

2118
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:16,000
that's the question I'll just leave it

2119
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:16,719
at

2120
01:27:16,719 --> 01:27:19,440
>> so Madam clerk, can you repeat the

2121
01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:22,320
motion again just for because there was

2122
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:24,320
something mentioned about the the fan

2123
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:26,400
and that to me that council can still

2124
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:27,520
make that decision because it's under

2125
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:29,760
$50,000,

2126
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:31,360
but that hasn't made that decision

2127
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:32,719
because that was originally came back

2128
01:27:32,719 --> 01:27:34,400
because the air quality in the arena

2129
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:35,679
needs to be improved. There needs to be

2130
01:27:35,679 --> 01:27:37,840
fans and all that stuff. I think council

2131
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:39,280
can still deal with that when that

2132
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:41,679
report comes back. As I understand the

2133
01:27:41,679 --> 01:27:43,360
motion by councelor Wicens and second by

2134
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:46,000
yourself, councelor Duby, this is money

2135
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:49,120
if needed to rehabilitate or whatever it

2136
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:50,480
needs to do to get the building open

2137
01:27:50,480 --> 01:27:53,520
because of the mold issue

2138
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:55,040
and we got I'm going to bring it back.

2139
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:57,520
It's about the mold issue. It's not

2140
01:27:57,520 --> 01:27:59,440
about arenas. It's not and we all got

2141
01:27:59,440 --> 01:28:01,360
drifted away and and I'm bringing it

2142
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:02,719
back right now. It's about the mold

2143
01:28:02,719 --> 01:28:04,880
issue that we've discovered and why the

2144
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:06,320
building is closed. That's why we're

2145
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:08,800
here today. Councelor Wickkins and

2146
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:10,639
yourself has moved a motion an upset

2147
01:28:10,639 --> 01:28:15,440
limit of 250,000 if needed to be used

2148
01:28:15,440 --> 01:28:17,760
basically to make the arena usable for

2149
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:20,080
this season. Is that sort of clear to

2150
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:21,920
everybody? Is that clear enough from

2151
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:23,520
staff?

2152
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:25,040
Because if it's not, we need that motion

2153
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:27,360
more as you can say. Councelor do make

2154
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:29,040
clear.

2155
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:30,560
>> Can I just get the motion read out and

2156
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:32,480
I'll then I'll go to you councelor.

2157
01:28:32,480 --> 01:28:34,320
Madam cler

2158
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:35,840
>> um thank you through you mayor McQueen.

2159
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:37,840
I wanted to comment on the calling of

2160
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:39,679
the question. You can put a motion to

2161
01:28:39,679 --> 01:28:41,120
call the question on the floor but not

2162
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:42,400
when there's an amendment on the floor.

2163
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:43,920
Only when the main motion is back on the

2164
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:46,560
floor um just for clarity and it doesn't

2165
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:48,159
require two/3s. It just requires a

2166
01:28:48,159 --> 01:28:50,159
second regular

2167
01:28:50,159 --> 01:28:52,080
>> requires that or used or used to require

2168
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:53,440
23. That's changed.

2169
01:28:53,440 --> 01:28:55,280
>> So I did look that up just for clarity

2170
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:56,719
for everybody. Um,

2171
01:28:56,719 --> 01:28:58,080
>> right now the amendment is

2172
01:28:58,080 --> 01:28:59,760
>> the amendment is that the main motion be

2173
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:01,600
amended to add and that council direct

2174
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:03,280
staff to prioritize the reopening of the

2175
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:05,120
Euphrasia Memorial Rockland Community

2176
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:07,679
Center Arena portion for this upcoming a

2177
01:29:07,679 --> 01:29:09,840
season and that council authorize an

2178
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:13,120
upset limit of $250,000 excluding HST to

2179
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:14,560
be funded from the asset management

2180
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:17,120
reserve.

2181
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:18,159
Okay. Um,

2182
01:29:18,159 --> 01:29:20,719
>> is everybody clear?

2183
01:29:20,719 --> 01:29:22,239
>> Do you need the clarity that it's for

2184
01:29:22,239 --> 01:29:24,960
mold rem? Yes.

2185
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:27,280
I was going to say that based on the

2186
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:28,560
discussion that's happened maybe that

2187
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:30,000
should something that should be added

2188
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:31,440
but that would be up to the mover and

2189
01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:32,960
seconder that that's what they want in

2190
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:35,199
it for mold remediation.

2191
01:29:35,199 --> 01:29:36,639
>> That's that's fine with me.

2192
01:29:36,639 --> 01:29:38,239
>> Yep.

2193
01:29:38,239 --> 01:29:41,199
I'm not a very good mover

2194
01:29:41,199 --> 01:29:44,480
>> and and and councelor D. Okay that's so

2195
01:29:44,480 --> 01:29:46,400
just add that little so it's clear and I

2196
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:48,000
understand that we need to be clear

2197
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:49,840
councelor. [clears throat]

2198
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:51,280
>> Thank you. On the subject of clarity

2199
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:53,040
through you, Mayor McQueen, I mean,

2200
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:55,600
councelor Dubick mentioned that the 250

2201
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:57,840
goes ahead only if the ice surface is

2202
01:29:57,840 --> 01:29:59,600
able to be reopened. So, it's more than

2203
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:03,840
just mold. It's it's can we operate the

2204
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:06,719
arena? It would need to be, you know, we

2205
01:30:06,719 --> 01:30:08,400
would need to segregate that area,

2206
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:10,000
including the entrance and washrooms,

2207
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:11,679
get the ice surface going. Hopefully,

2208
01:30:11,679 --> 01:30:15,920
the plant runs. There is a $50,000 um

2209
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:17,600
public health ventilation compliance

2210
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:19,679
issue that would have to be dealt with.

2211
01:30:19,679 --> 01:30:20,480
It's

2212
01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:23,199
>> um and that can be dealt with council.

2213
01:30:23,199 --> 01:30:25,360
>> It could be, but I mean are we talking

2214
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:29,520
250 plus to 50,000 or I mean I clearly

2215
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:31,360
understood what councelor Dubic said

2216
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:35,590
that $250,000

2217
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:37,840
gets the ice surface open for a season.

2218
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:39,600
It buys us one season because we've

2219
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:40,880
still we're still going to have a bigger

2220
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:43,600
issue to deal with once the bell for

2221
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:45,520
report comes back. There is a report

2222
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:47,520
attached to to today's agenda, you know,

2223
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:49,920
that was discussed at the um committee

2224
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:51,440
the whole that had some estimates on

2225
01:30:51,440 --> 01:30:54,560
there that the the BCA 5year, you know,

2226
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:56,480
was a million a half dollars. The ice

2227
01:30:56,480 --> 01:30:58,960
floor replacement was $900,000.

2228
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:00,239
>> I want to wind that back in because

2229
01:31:00,239 --> 01:31:02,080
right now the the motion on the floor is

2230
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:04,159
about getting the arena back open

2231
01:31:04,159 --> 01:31:06,560
because of the mold situation, the

2232
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:11,120
health and safety situation, right? So,

2233
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:13,360
and if if there wasn't a mold situation

2234
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:15,840
and the arena didn't open up or there

2235
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:18,800
was more than a $50,000 expense, this

2236
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:22,080
body can't deal with it.

2237
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:24,159
This is to deal with an issue that has

2238
01:31:24,159 --> 01:31:26,400
arised and we got and we're getting a

2239
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:28,880
report back from Belelfford with regards

2240
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:30,880
to what's wrong, but we can't deal with

2241
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:32,320
that report because it's not here. So,

2242
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:34,719
this is what the money would be set

2243
01:31:34,719 --> 01:31:37,360
aside for. And it comes back and it says

2244
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:39,360
you got to spend $10,000 doing this. You

2245
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:41,440
got to do 5,000 doing this to get the

2246
01:31:41,440 --> 01:31:45,040
arena open. Did you finish? I cut you

2247
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:49,590
off.

2248
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:52,239
Getting the arena open is the go no-go

2249
01:31:52,239 --> 01:31:54,639
for the $250,000 is just what I want to

2250
01:31:54,639 --> 01:31:58,639
be clear on. that is the case. I could

2251
01:31:58,639 --> 01:32:01,280
probably support this position, but I I

2252
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:03,920
can't support

2253
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:06,480
it not being that clear.

2254
01:32:06,480 --> 01:32:10,000
>> Come back. Yeah, deputy mayor.

2255
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:12,239
>> Much mayor McQueen for clarity. The the

2256
01:32:12,239 --> 01:32:13,679
motion is now saying for mold

2257
01:32:13,679 --> 01:32:16,960
remediation. Again, let's go back to the

2258
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:19,679
50,000 for the ventilation. That was an

2259
01:32:19,679 --> 01:32:21,920
estimated cost, I think. I don't know. I

2260
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:23,760
can't remember. Forgive me if the report

2261
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:25,440
said it was exactly going to be $50,000.

2262
01:32:25,440 --> 01:32:28,400
If it's $54,000, it's over the budget of

2263
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:30,880
Flame Duck. If the ice surface ice

2264
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:32,159
equipment doesn't open up and it

2265
01:32:32,159 --> 01:32:35,040
requires new parts, what's the limit

2266
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:36,960
there? Like, this is kind of the problem

2267
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:40,000
to your 50,000 $250,000 to get the arena

2268
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:42,560
open. There are a lot of other unknowns.

2269
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:44,719
And this is why it is not as simple as

2270
01:32:44,719 --> 01:32:47,520
saying the the motion is 250,000 to get

2271
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:49,520
the arena open. Does the arena include

2272
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:50,960
the bathrooms or not? Is that a

2273
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:52,880
disqualifier? Does the arena include the

2274
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:54,800
upstairs fing section? Is that a

2275
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:57,040
disqualifier? Does the arena include

2276
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:58,719
coordinating off and blocking off the

2277
01:32:58,719 --> 01:33:00,400
kitchen so that it's not a part of it?

2278
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:02,239
Does it like there's those are questions

2279
01:33:02,239 --> 01:33:05,280
to say is it specifically from the glass

2280
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:09,040
wall to the door um big Zamboni doors

2281
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:10,560
and and doors that are used for the fall

2282
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:12,239
fair. Is it just that building? Is it

2283
01:33:12,239 --> 01:33:13,520
the is it the

2284
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:18,080
>> Just hold on. Let me get clarity from Shaunette and what was she reported

2285
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:21,120
cuz she said it is a possibility or no

2286
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:23,199
she said they could isolate the arena

2287
01:33:23,199 --> 01:33:24,719
what that looks like

2288
01:33:24,719 --> 01:33:26,000
>> but if you have an arena you're going to

2289
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:27,120
have washrooms

2290
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:29,440
>> so and to that mayor McQueen my question

2291
01:33:29,440 --> 01:33:31,679
is because respectfully is staff are

2292
01:33:31,679 --> 01:33:33,360
wanting that clarity because when this

2293
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:34,960
report comes back and council can't

2294
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:36,639
debate what portions we're going to

2295
01:33:36,639 --> 01:33:39,360
spend on if if we're not clear and

2296
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:40,800
saying you know are we going to be

2297
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:43,040
sitting here in another very tricky

2298
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:46,000
conversation is trying to

2299
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:49,679
figure it out like

2300
01:33:49,679 --> 01:33:51,199
Yeah.

2301
01:33:51,199 --> 01:33:53,199
>> I Seanette, do you have do you have any

2302
01:33:53,199 --> 01:33:54,800
more clarity on what was said by

2303
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:56,400
Belelfford with regards to that they

2304
01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:58,080
could get the arena open first? Can you

2305
01:33:58,080 --> 01:33:59,679
clarify that, please?

2306
01:33:59,679 --> 01:34:01,520
>> Uh, I would have to speak to them. They

2307
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:03,040
just said that they could prioritize

2308
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:05,679
that area. Again, I don't have the

2309
01:34:05,679 --> 01:34:07,840
reports to to let us know what that

2310
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:10,560
requires. It could be 500,000. It could

2311
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:12,719
be 600,000 for that area and maybe only

2312
01:34:12,719 --> 01:34:16,239
100,000 for the hall. I don't uh have

2313
01:34:16,239 --> 01:34:18,080
that information and I know that's

2314
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:20,320
important, but I do want to make a a

2315
01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:24,320
point of um I do want to do say

2316
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:28,000
something in my report today. It did say

2317
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:31,120
that further mechanical um needs to be

2318
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:34,639
done. So right now the existing

2319
01:34:34,639 --> 01:34:37,360
compliance report is really pretty much

2320
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:40,800
null and void because they do see that

2321
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:42,800
that's not just the issue. There's a

2322
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:44,960
whole other issue that needs to be

2323
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:47,280
looked at in order to keep that mold out

2324
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:48,960
of there. And that does involve the

2325
01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:51,280
arena site as well too. And again we

2326
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:53,920
don't have that that figure yet either.

2327
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:55,920
So

2328
01:34:55,920 --> 01:35:00,320
>> MC thank you mayor McQueen. Um there's

2329
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:02,560
been a couple of comments about, you

2330
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:05,280
know, not having information. Um council

2331
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:06,960
has a ton of information. The only

2332
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:09,120
information they don't have is

2333
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:11,199
surrounding the cost of mold

2334
01:35:11,199 --> 01:35:13,600
remediation. Um, you have 10-year

2335
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:18,000
capital P plans, uh, BCA reports, um,

2336
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:20,880
and and Director Krauss has done an

2337
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:23,040
incredible job, and I commend her

2338
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:26,000
because she has inherited, um, this

2339
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:30,000
file, uh, coming in here, um, but she's

2340
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:31,760
done an incredible job on providing

2341
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:34,719
council information, information for the

2342
01:35:34,719 --> 01:35:38,080
longevity of this facility, not just the

2343
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:40,639
mold remediation. So, the only

2344
01:35:40,639 --> 01:35:43,120
information that council doesn't have is

2345
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:45,920
the cost of the mold remediation.

2346
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:48,960
Everything else council has. They know

2347
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:50,719
what it costs to replace the

2348
01:35:50,719 --> 01:35:53,840
refrigeration equipment. They know when

2349
01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:57,120
the roof needs replacing. All of that 10

2350
01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:00,000
years out has been provided to council.

2351
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:03,199
So, um, you know, staff staff's done a

2352
01:36:03,199 --> 01:36:05,199
great job in getting council

2353
01:36:05,199 --> 01:36:07,760
information. Um, member McQueen, you

2354
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:09,600
mentioned that we didn't bring reports

2355
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:13,360
back to you. We all but said we all but

2356
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:14,960
said

2357
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:18,239
that the arena needs to close at this

2358
01:36:18,239 --> 01:36:21,360
the way it stands right now and and we

2359
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:23,120
just didn't put that on the table. a

2360
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:25,440
meeting here and there was I think we

2361
01:36:25,440 --> 01:36:26,800
went through that whole report, the

2362
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:29,040
recreational master plan and there was

2363
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:30,880
reports and I think deputy mayor moved

2364
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:32,639
the motion to look at what it would look

2365
01:36:32,639 --> 01:36:35,920
like to repurpose two arenas and it

2366
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:37,280
never has flatback.

2367
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:39,040
>> I'm not even talking about that at this

2368
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:39,600
point in time.

2369
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:41,120
>> But that talks about the arenas and the

2370
01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:41,679
surfaces,

2371
01:36:41,679 --> 01:36:43,120
>> but I'm talking about the 10-year

2372
01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:45,600
capital plan and the BCA reports. Even

2373
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:47,679
the community, we met with the community

2374
01:36:47,679 --> 01:36:50,320
members and shared that information, all

2375
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:52,719
the financial statements, everything. So

2376
01:36:52,719 --> 01:36:56,080
all the reports council has, the only

2377
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:58,880
information they don't have is what it's

2378
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:01,920
going to cost to remediate. And and

2379
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:04,400
director Krauss raised a good point.

2380
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:07,040
What's the cause of the mold? And is

2381
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:08,800
that included in part of this

2382
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:10,320
remediation?

2383
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:13,520
Because if it's the HVAC system,

2384
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:18,790
then there's a bigger problem.

2385
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:20,719
» Mr. Duby,

2386
01:37:20,719 --> 01:37:23,199
>> uh, thank you. So, um, you know, so, so

2387
01:37:23,199 --> 01:37:24,159
when we think about sort of the

2388
01:37:24,159 --> 01:37:25,760
remediation to be able to open the

2389
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:28,400
doors, um, it it may be beyond just the

2390
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:29,679
mold, right? I think there was, you

2391
01:37:29,679 --> 01:37:31,679
know, mechanical issues, etc. that that

2392
01:37:31,679 --> 01:37:35,040
are tied to this. And so, um, you know,

2393
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:39,760
so as we think about the motion, like I I did want to put the motion on the

2394
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:41,520
floor because I, you know, so I seconded

2395
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:43,360
it because I think we need to have this

2396
01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:45,520
direct conversation. Um, but as it

2397
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:47,199
stands now, like I I won't be supporting

2398
01:37:47,199 --> 01:37:49,840
it. Um, and I'll just I'll just leave it

2399
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:52,159
at that. And it's not that, you know,

2400
01:37:52,159 --> 01:37:53,760
and again, I just do want to reiterate

2401
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:57,119
this to the community. Um, we are here

2402
01:37:57,119 --> 01:38:00,320
wanting to invest in your facility.

2403
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:03,760
That's not the question. The question is

2404
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:09,920
how do we do it in a um in a disciplined

2405
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:13,600
accountable respect respectful way so

2406
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:15,760
that we're actually managing every

2407
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:19,600
single tax dollar responsibly

2408
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:22,639
um and and um even just putting out you

2409
01:38:22,639 --> 01:38:24,320
know sort of this you know bubble number

2410
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:27,280
out there I feel uncomfortable

2411
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:29,520
because we're not directing those

2412
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:32,880
dollars and if we if we don't, you know,

2413
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:35,840
put something absolutely specific in

2414
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:36,719
emotion, [clears throat]

2415
01:38:36,719 --> 01:38:39,440
you know, you know, staff may just have

2416
01:38:39,440 --> 01:38:42,560
to interpret or whatever. And then, you

2417
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:43,840
know, but and we don't have that

2418
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:45,920
conversation. Um, you know, when we

2419
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:49,360
think about 1 percentage on a local tax,

2420
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:52,400
that's about $180,000.

2421
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:54,400
Is that right? Right. So, you know, so

2422
01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:56,560
250, you know, is already, you know, and

2423
01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:58,800
we've already put 150 in for the report.

2424
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:02,080
So we want to be able to do this in a

2425
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:06,239
responsible manner. We are with you.

2426
01:39:06,239 --> 01:39:08,560
Have never heard anybody say we don't

2427
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:11,440
want to support um you know Rocklin in

2428
01:39:11,440 --> 01:39:15,760
our in our arena moving it forward. That conversation has not happened. But

2429
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:17,360
we do want to ensure that we're doing it

2430
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:19,199
in a responsible manner because we are

2431
01:39:19,199 --> 01:39:21,119
responsible both to the Rockland

2432
01:39:21,119 --> 01:39:22,960
community and we are responsible to the

2433
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:25,520
whole municipality as a whole. So every

2434
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:29,040
200 you know you know the 11,000 you

2435
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:31,360
know um citizens and the residents of

2436
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:33,600
this community were we're responsible to

2437
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:35,520
everybody and so we have to do it in in

2438
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:38,239
a in a in in a very transparent

2439
01:39:38,239 --> 01:39:39,600
responsible manner. I'll just leave it

2440
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:41,040
at that.

2441
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:46,310
>> I see councelor Lohead has his hand up.

2442
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:47,199
» Thank you.

2443
01:39:47,199 --> 01:39:48,880
>> We're still speaking to an amendment to

2444
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:50,080
the main motion.

2445
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:51,520
>> Correct. Yeah. And thank you Mayor

2446
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:53,280
McQueen. And just once again, councelor

2447
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:56,080
Dubick has said it very well. Um

2448
01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:59,600
$250,000 is an an upset limit. Um you

2449
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:01,679
know, it it represents a considerable

2450
01:40:01,679 --> 01:40:03,760
amount of money. Um you know,

2451
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:07,040
approaching uh over 1% of the levy and

2452
01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:11,840
um and it's this will be an expensive

2453
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:15,119
facility to uh rebuild and and maintain

2454
01:40:15,119 --> 01:40:18,000
in the future. And if we want to commit

2455
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:21,280
to that, which I think we all do, um

2456
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:22,960
then we have precious little money with

2457
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:25,760
which to do it. And so um you know, two

2458
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:27,600
$250,000

2459
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:30,320
even spent now um without that going

2460
01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:33,280
towards the long-term longevity of this

2461
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:36,560
facility, um is probably not the best

2462
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:39,360
money spent. Um, you know, if if I could

2463
01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:41,360
be if we could be guaranteed that that

2464
01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:44,719
$250,000 upset limit would go towards a

2465
01:40:44,719 --> 01:40:47,520
building and, you know, um, have a a

2466
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:50,080
long-term lasting effect in terms of

2467
01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:53,679
that facility. Great. I don't think that would be a question. But we don't

2468
01:40:53,679 --> 01:40:56,400
know that. Um, it it could very well be

2469
01:40:56,400 --> 01:41:00,719
a a band-aid temporary one-year solution

2470
01:41:00,719 --> 01:41:04,159
uh to a problem. And um I am in

2471
01:41:04,159 --> 01:41:07,040
agreement um that is just not money well

2472
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:10,880
spent. Um so for that reason I I can't

2473
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:14,159
support uh this upset limit either.

2474
01:41:14,159 --> 01:41:16,239
Okay.

2475
01:41:16,239 --> 01:41:18,960
Any further amendments or any further

2476
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:20,159
discussion on the you can make an

2477
01:41:20,159 --> 01:41:22,159
amendment to the amendment too. It

2478
01:41:22,159 --> 01:41:24,400
reduced the amount. If there's no other

2479
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:26,480
I guess I'll call the vote. All in favor

2480
01:41:26,480 --> 01:41:29,760
of the amendment

2481
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:32,080
opposed

2482
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:34,639
that minutes lost.

2483
01:41:34,639 --> 01:41:36,159
Any further discussion or other

2484
01:41:36,159 --> 01:41:37,840
amendments with regards to the motion

2485
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:40,560
the main motion to receive it for

2486
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:44,470
information?

2487
01:41:44,480 --> 01:41:46,080
Council go ahead.

2488
01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:47,600
>> Sure. Thank you, Mayor McQueen. I will

2489
01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:49,360
say, you know, we we don't know, right?

2490
01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:51,600
We we don't have the full report here. I

2491
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:53,920
appreciate as um CEO said we have a lot

2492
01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:55,440
of information but the the piece that

2493
01:41:55,440 --> 01:41:57,840
we're missing is the short-term uh

2494
01:41:57,840 --> 01:41:59,199
report that's going to come back from

2495
01:41:59,199 --> 01:42:02,320
Belffor and you know it may very well

2496
01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:06,560
come back somehow um that uh this is

2497
01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:09,600
going to cost 80,000 or or 90,000 or

2498
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:11,280
something for this facility to be open

2499
01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:14,400
this year. Um if that's the case you

2500
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:18,560
know as council Dubic said earlier what is that number that council has an

2501
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:19,760
appetite for? And I think that we should

2502
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:21,920
at least have a discussion about that.

2503
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:24,320
Um there I think there may be a lower

2504
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:27,040
upset limit above the $50,000 uh

2505
01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:29,760
legislation but below the $250,000 um

2506
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:32,000
that we feel comfortable spending to get

2507
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:35,760
this facility operational this year. Um

2508
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:37,440
so I'd like to I don't know if I want to

2509
01:42:37,440 --> 01:42:38,960
make a motion, but I'd le at least like

2510
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:41,440
to to have that out there so that we can

2511
01:42:41,440 --> 01:42:42,480
decide if we'd like to have a

2512
01:42:42,480 --> 01:42:44,000
discussion.

2513
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:45,679
>> Are you suggesting a lower amount than

2514
01:42:45,679 --> 01:42:48,719
250 and something above 50? I suppose I

2515
01:42:48,719 --> 01:42:52,320
am I I will make the motion of I'll say

2516
01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:54,480
90,000 just for discussions purposes and

2517
01:42:54,480 --> 01:42:55,840
I'll see if we get a secondary and have

2518
01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:59,119
some conversation around that.

2519
01:42:59,119 --> 01:43:00,560
>> Yep. Your point is

2520
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:02,639
>> whatever for clarity the motion that

2521
01:43:02,639 --> 01:43:05,119
just failed is the same motion.

2522
01:43:05,119 --> 01:43:07,199
>> It was amount.

2523
01:43:07,199 --> 01:43:07,920
>> It was an amount.

2524
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:09,199
>> So we're saying the intent is different

2525
01:43:09,199 --> 01:43:10,560
because the intent is different. Yeah.

2526
01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:12,080
Fair. Okay. Just trying to get clear

2527
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:14,239
making sure that it's should have been

2528
01:43:14,239 --> 01:43:15,040
mentioned

2529
01:43:15,040 --> 01:43:16,639
>> because the if it was a motion to say

2530
01:43:16,639 --> 01:43:19,360
that we add so much well do we even do

2531
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:20,719
it would be different than adding amount

2532
01:43:20,719 --> 01:43:23,679
the amounts change. Councelor uh Wicens

2533
01:43:23,679 --> 01:43:25,040
you're seconding that

2534
01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:29,280
>> I am and my intent folks was to have

2535
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:32,880
some money there after we got all the

2536
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:35,199
reports and stuff back. And I mean, if

2537
01:43:35,199 --> 01:43:36,560
it was going to be a million dollars to

2538
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:39,280
clean it up, we'd all say, "Oh, boy."

2539
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:41,119
It was going to be $100,000 to say,

2540
01:43:41,119 --> 01:43:43,840
"Great, go ahead." But as we stand right

2541
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:45,360
now,

2542
01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:47,040
that arena is going to be closed for the

2543
01:43:47,040 --> 01:43:49,760
season. It's gone.

2544
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:54,159
So, I will second Joel's motion.

2545
01:43:54,159 --> 01:43:55,840
So, just for clarity on that, Council

2546
01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:57,280
Loya, do you want to repeat your motion

2547
01:43:57,280 --> 01:44:00,159
so Madam Clerk can catch it? Speak up

2548
01:44:00,159 --> 01:44:00,960
louder.

2549
01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:02,960
>> Uh, thank you, M Queen. all the way in

2550
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:04,320
Ottawa. So, you got to speak up.

2551
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:05,920
>> Yeah, if you can hear me all the way

2552
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:08,719
back home. Um to to quickly to the

2553
01:44:08,719 --> 01:44:10,159
deputy mayor's point, I I agree this

2554
01:44:10,159 --> 01:44:12,239
could very well have um been an

2555
01:44:12,239 --> 01:44:14,000
amendment, but I'm you know, just before

2556
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:15,600
we this we let this die, I'm having

2557
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:22,800
second thoughts here. Um and so um same intent um different number um I

2558
01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:27,920
I'll I'll say 90,000 um and we'll see

2559
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:30,800
how council feels about that.

2560
01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:33,199
Madame Clerk.

2561
01:44:33,199 --> 01:44:35,199
>> Um, thank you Mayor McQueen. I just want

2562
01:44:35,199 --> 01:44:37,360
to clarify that it's for reopening of

2563
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:39,199
the arena portion the same as the

2564
01:44:39,199 --> 01:44:41,360
previous one and from the asset

2565
01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:43,199
management reserve and it's for mold

2566
01:44:43,199 --> 01:44:44,159
remediation.

2567
01:44:44,159 --> 01:44:46,239
>> Yes. Yes. Yes.

2568
01:44:46,239 --> 01:44:48,320
>> Is that correct, Councelor Lowhead?

2569
01:44:48,320 --> 01:44:50,560
>> Yes. Exact same as the other motion but

2570
01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:53,520
a different number of 90.

2571
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:55,360
Yeah. Okay. Councelor Wickkins is

2572
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:59,119
seconding. Discussion.

2573
01:44:59,119 --> 01:45:01,440
It's a different number we had a lot of

2574
01:45:01,440 --> 01:45:04,719
discussion on. Go ahead, councelor Duby.

2575
01:45:04,719 --> 01:45:07,280
>> Yeah. So, so just a quick point though,

2576
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:11,830
um, you know,

2577
01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:14,320
where are where I start to where I feel

2578
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:17,119
uncomfortable is, um, you know, again,

2579
01:45:17,119 --> 01:45:19,280
we're we're narrowing this this down to

2580
01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:22,239
mold rem remediation, but then there's

2581
01:45:22,239 --> 01:45:25,679
all these other elements like the

2582
01:45:25,679 --> 01:45:29,440
mechanics and the HVAC and so

2583
01:45:29,440 --> 01:45:32,400
>> so we can spend up to 50,000 as a

2584
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:34,960
council named Duck

2585
01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:39,679
And so and so we could then

2586
01:45:39,679 --> 01:45:43,840
add so if if if the mechanics came back

2587
01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:46,400
or or or or if we needed to address the

2588
01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:48,400
mechanics then that would be a separate

2589
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:52,080
item you can do 50,000 if you if council

2590
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:54,320
wished. So I would say probably if it

2591
01:45:54,320 --> 01:45:56,080
comes back the report comes back from

2592
01:45:56,080 --> 01:45:58,639
Belelfford and says you're going to need

2593
01:45:58,639 --> 01:46:01,360
90 or less and they get it open then

2594
01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:03,199
you're going to have to look at the fan

2595
01:46:03,199 --> 01:46:05,040
and that exhaust issue because that was

2596
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:07,360
an issue that's been identified through

2597
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:08,880
the health and safety of that building

2598
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:11,119
which is separate to the mold

2599
01:46:11,119 --> 01:46:14,790
remmeration

2600
01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:18,239
because we had that report in July

2601
01:46:18,239 --> 01:46:19,920
>> and and you've had it at your meetings

2602
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:21,840
at Rockland and it's you need to get it

2603
01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:23,360
going before October before the arena.

2604
01:46:23,360 --> 01:46:26,480
But there's no use spending that money

2605
01:46:26,480 --> 01:46:28,400
if if they don't get the if they can't

2606
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:30,080
get the arena open from the mold

2607
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:32,719
remiration, right? Does that not make

2608
01:46:32,719 --> 01:46:35,830
sense?

2609
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:37,840
Uh um so so I guess my other question is

2610
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:40,880
then like you know are there other um

2611
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:42,719
potential

2612
01:46:42,719 --> 01:46:46,560
needs to to open beyond mold and the

2613
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:50,560
HVAC and then are we just peace like is

2614
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:52,320
are we just continuing to peace meal on

2615
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:54,480
top like it's

2616
01:46:54,480 --> 01:46:56,960
>> so I'll go I'll go to director Krauss

2617
01:46:56,960 --> 01:46:58,320
because I know there's a report that

2618
01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:00,320
came back in July and said it was

2619
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:02,800
identified that there need to be an

2620
01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:04,639
improvement on air quality for the

2621
01:47:04,639 --> 01:47:06,880
exhaust. for the arena surface and you

2622
01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:08,320
had a price for that and it was fans and

2623
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:10,880
you had you had a quote on that. So the

2624
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:12,480
question is, is there other things

2625
01:47:12,480 --> 01:47:13,840
that's going to be I think it was

2626
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:16,320
identified that the the person that

2627
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:18,880
certifies the system can can certify it

2628
01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:22,719
again providing when they go to do it, will fire up. I'll leave that

2629
01:47:22,719 --> 01:47:23,760
director KS.

2630
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:25,679
>> Uh that's correct, mayor. There was a a

2631
01:47:25,679 --> 01:47:28,080
report previously that stated that, but

2632
01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:29,840
that was before all the mold issue and

2633
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:33,520
that came um in play. So again back to

2634
01:47:33,520 --> 01:47:36,239
the in the report I've wrote uh for

2635
01:47:36,239 --> 01:47:40,000
today uh they have Belffor has indicated

2636
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:42,800
that there needs to be definitely a

2637
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:45,119
mechanical the whole mechanical HVAC

2638
01:47:45,119 --> 01:47:47,280
system needs to be looked at. So it is

2639
01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:50,480
more just than what needs to be done in

2640
01:47:50,480 --> 01:47:53,280
the Z I'm going to call it the ZAM room

2641
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:56,800
um to get rid of exhaust there. So I I

2642
01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:59,920
think we're maybe being preemptive by

2643
01:47:59,920 --> 01:48:02,880
putting that in when the whole system

2644
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:05,520
needs to be done and it needs to be done

2645
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:07,199
together. So the whole because

2646
01:48:07,199 --> 01:48:09,520
everything's peace meal as it is now and

2647
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:10,880
they're trying to tell us that it all

2648
01:48:10,880 --> 01:48:13,199
needs to work together. So

2649
01:48:13,199 --> 01:48:14,960
>> but if if you're going into the winter

2650
01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:18,239
months in my mind you're not collecting

2651
01:48:18,239 --> 01:48:20,080
moisture

2652
01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:21,679
other than we have the dehumidifier for

2653
01:48:21,679 --> 01:48:24,400
the ice surface that's there today.

2654
01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:26,400
But overall, get through the season, get

2655
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:27,920
to next spring, then you're that's going

2656
01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:29,280
to be the bigger picture. That money

2657
01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:30,719
needs to be spent for the whole system

2658
01:48:30,719 --> 01:48:32,800
in the sense of the whole HVAC system,

2659
01:48:32,800 --> 01:48:35,600
the whole building for sure. Does that

2660
01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:38,960
help counsel?

2661
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:41,600
if I may. Yeah. Yeah. So, what I what

2662
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:45,600
I'm struggling with is um again,

2663
01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:47,760
you know, providing

2664
01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:50,800
um staff with, you know, direction to

2665
01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:52,560
spend,

2666
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:55,040
you know, 90,000

2667
01:48:55,040 --> 01:48:57,520
um and you know, for mold specifically,

2668
01:48:57,520 --> 01:48:59,760
but then say the HVAC is, you know,

2669
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:03,520
200,000, right? So, so you know, but but

2670
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:05,920
they will continue to staff will

2671
01:49:05,920 --> 01:49:08,080
continue to march against the 90,000

2672
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:09,280
because we already gave them that

2673
01:49:09,280 --> 01:49:10,239
direction.

2674
01:49:10,239 --> 01:49:11,760
>> Yeah, that's where the 250 might have

2675
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:13,520
caught that the probably won't.

2676
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:14,560
>> But there's still like, you know,

2677
01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:17,920
another So, so again, like we may be

2678
01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:20,880
asking staff to actually execute against

2679
01:49:20,880 --> 01:49:24,239
something that at the end of the day um

2680
01:49:24,239 --> 01:49:26,239
doesn't fit into the bigger picture. It

2681
01:49:26,239 --> 01:49:29,040
doesn't support actually um our intent

2682
01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:32,080
of where we want to go. So, so just for

2683
01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:33,679
that reason, like I I can't support

2684
01:49:33,679 --> 01:49:35,679
this. Um, again, we we need to be able

2685
01:49:35,679 --> 01:49:37,840
to look at this holistically. Um, even

2686
01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:40,080
for the remediation piece, we can't be

2687
01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:42,000
peacemealing the remediation piece

2688
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:46,480
because it it starts to fall apart and we don't we don't continue to look

2689
01:49:46,480 --> 01:49:48,639
at the bigger remediation as one

2690
01:49:48,639 --> 01:49:50,320
solution. So, for for that reason, I

2691
01:49:50,320 --> 01:49:51,840
just I can't support this. Thank you. At

2692
01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:52,960
>> the end of the day, it could be the

2693
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:56,080
whole HS HVAC system just needs replaced

2694
01:49:56,080 --> 01:49:58,560
and that solves the whole problem.

2695
01:49:58,560 --> 01:50:00,800
That could be the whole problem, but we

2696
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:02,400
can't get there because we don't know

2697
01:50:02,400 --> 01:50:04,080
that. We don't know that. So, we can't

2698
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:06,159
get there. So, we're trying to we're

2699
01:50:06,159 --> 01:50:08,639
sort of we're like this in the dark. So,

2700
01:50:08,639 --> 01:50:10,560
but because of lame duck, that's all we

2701
01:50:10,560 --> 01:50:11,920
can do. The motion's on the floor for

2702
01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:13,440
$90,000.

2703
01:50:13,440 --> 01:50:15,360
Second by move by council, second by

2704
01:50:15,360 --> 01:50:16,560
councelor Rickkins. Any further

2705
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:18,960
discussion on that?

2706
01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:22,159
Did you have a question?

2707
01:50:22,159 --> 01:50:24,480
>> I didn't mean to pry it.

2708
01:50:24,480 --> 01:50:25,600
>> There's more of a comment. And I mean

2709
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:27,199
the only thing we know for sure if we

2710
01:50:27,199 --> 01:50:28,639
received the report for information and

2711
01:50:28,639 --> 01:50:30,320
nothing else we will not have ice in the

2712
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:34,080
Iraq Arena for the coming ice season.

2713
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:36,639
Um

2714
01:50:36,639 --> 01:50:39,119
in my opinion

2715
01:50:39,119 --> 01:50:41,440
$90,000

2716
01:50:41,440 --> 01:50:43,520
probably not not going to get it done

2717
01:50:43,520 --> 01:50:47,440
and uh it's a slim thread perhaps. But

2718
01:50:47,440 --> 01:50:51,119
um the caveat has to be I I think to

2719
01:50:51,119 --> 01:50:55,840
address councelor Dubick's concerns if

2720
01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:57,440
there was no mold problem we would have

2721
01:50:57,440 --> 01:50:59,040
done whatever it would have taken within

2722
01:50:59,040 --> 01:51:00,639
reason to get that ice plant up and

2723
01:51:00,639 --> 01:51:01,840
running for the ice season. We would

2724
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:06,400
have done the HV uh system the uh if the

2725
01:51:06,400 --> 01:51:08,800
ice plant needed some um maintenance to

2726
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:10,800
keep it running for a year while we

2727
01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:13,199
looked at the bigger picture.

2728
01:51:13,199 --> 01:51:16,159
So uh I am going to support the 90,000

2729
01:51:16,159 --> 01:51:21,199
but it's a slim hope that if we uh you

2730
01:51:21,199 --> 01:51:22,719
know we'll we'll have done what we can

2731
01:51:22,719 --> 01:51:24,880
since uh the first amendment was lost.

2732
01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:26,480
Thank you.

2733
01:51:26,480 --> 01:51:29,679
>> Okay. I've been asked to uh call call

2734
01:51:29,679 --> 01:51:31,119
the question. This is on amendment but

2735
01:51:31,119 --> 01:51:32,480
I'm going to call the question. I have

2736
01:51:32,480 --> 01:51:34,639
lots of discussion on this. So it's for

2737
01:51:34,639 --> 01:51:37,520
90,000. All in favor?

2738
01:51:37,520 --> 01:51:40,880
Opposed? That motion's carried. Uh go

2739
01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:43,040
back to the main motion as amended.

2740
01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:45,920
Any other discussion on that motion?

2741
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:48,080
It's been moved and second. All in favor

2742
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:50,800
of that motion?

2743
01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:53,360
Opposed?

2744
01:51:53,360 --> 01:51:56,239
Do that again. All in favor?

2745
01:51:56,239 --> 01:51:58,000
Opposed?

2746
01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:00,560
Motion is carried. All right. So, moving

2747
01:52:00,560 --> 01:52:02,080
on. That takes care of the three items

2748
01:52:02,080 --> 01:52:04,239
today for today's agenda. Seeing there's

2749
01:52:04,239 --> 01:52:05,360
no other business because it was a

2750
01:52:05,360 --> 01:52:06,719
called, it was a special meeting. I

2751
01:52:06,719 --> 01:52:08,239
understand now. I called it. I put the

2752
01:52:08,239 --> 01:52:09,360
items on there. So, there's no addition

2753
01:52:09,360 --> 01:52:10,639
to that. Thank you for that clarity,

2754
01:52:10,639 --> 01:52:12,960
Madam Clerk. I figured that one out. All

2755
01:52:12,960 --> 01:52:14,800
right. So, since there's no other uh

2756
01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:17,599
items, I need a motion to adjurnn. Move

2757
01:52:17,599 --> 01:52:19,360
by.

2758
01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:21,920
>> Oh, sorry. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.

2759
01:52:21,920 --> 01:52:24,480
That I didn't put on there. Yeah, I know

2760
01:52:24,480 --> 01:52:27,520
you did. Okay. Yeah. And and just Yeah.

2761
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:29,760
Sorry, folks. This this clarifies this

2762
01:52:29,760 --> 01:52:31,599
puts it in bylaw of the decisions that

2763
01:52:31,599 --> 01:52:33,040
were made today. So, that's why the

2764
01:52:33,040 --> 01:52:34,960
confirming bylaw is there. So, I will

2765
01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:38,239
read it out. that bylaw 2026-083

2766
01:52:38,239 --> 01:52:40,239
being a bylaw to confirm the proceedings

2767
01:52:40,239 --> 01:52:41,920
of a special meeting of council on

2768
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:45,280
August 20th, 2026 be read first, second,

2769
01:52:45,280 --> 01:52:47,360
and third time and finally passed and

2770
01:52:47,360 --> 01:52:48,719
the mayor and clerk be authorized to

2771
01:52:48,719 --> 01:52:50,320
sign and seal the same notwithstanding

2772
01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:52,080
any contrary provisions of council. Can

2773
01:52:52,080 --> 01:52:53,360
I have a move and a second for that

2774
01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:55,199
please? Councelor Owed, councelor

2775
01:52:55,199 --> 01:52:57,840
Wickens. Any discussion on that? Seeing

2776
01:52:57,840 --> 01:52:59,840
none, all in favor?

2777
01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:02,159
That's carried unanimously. Now we get

2778
01:53:02,159 --> 01:53:03,840
to the adjournment that resolved the

2779
01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:05,280
council adjourn to the call the chair. I

2780
01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:06,960
need a move and a second or please

2781
01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:10,159
councelor deputy mayor. Second by

2782
01:53:10,159 --> 01:53:12,880
councelor wicens. All in favor? That is

2783
01:53:12,880 --> 01:53:15,920
carried. That is at 253. Thanks everyone

2784
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:17,760
for your patience.

2785
01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:21,080
Trying times.