Uh good evening all. It is Thursday, August 27th.
Um and uh we are kicking off the lake management task force uh meeting um
online and we will call the meeting to order at 5:05.
So uh so welcome everybody and we Yeah. and Morris is joining us as well. I see
I think he's just about to join us. So, our first um item is to approve the
agenda. Hello Morris, can you hear us?
» Yeah. >> Great. Fantastic. So, we've just kicked
off the meeting.
Um, so we're on item number two to approve the agenda that the Lake
Management Task Force approve the agenda as amended or circulated. Um, may I have
a mover and a seconder? Richard and Ken. So, as circulated. Uh, any discussion?
Dan, are you ready to vote
or did you have a comment? >> Oh, yes. ready to vote.
» Okay, those in favor and that is carried. Thank you so much.
Um, so if you do have any pecunary interests to declare, you can always do
so at that time. Um, so our next item
is uh that the lake management task force approve the minutes of 2026-07-30
as amended or as circulated. May I have a mover and a seconder for the minutes?
Thank you, Richard, and thank you, Morris. So, as circulated, any comments?
Okay, I see none. So, we'll take that to a vote. Those in favor?
And that is carried unanimously. Thanks very much.
All right. [clears throat] So, we are now um on the item number five. So, it
is the um report. Uh so, we can do a motion at the end. Uh
but what I'd like to do um propose to do is
a flip through of the report. Um would that make best sense to to folks
so that you know if we just take each section one by one uh and we do a
sequential just flip through through the report. If you have any comments,
questions um then then we can document it that
way. What uh so given um that this is our final meeting,
what we will do is um if there are any amendments to this report, we'll capture
them at the very end of our conversation. Um and then I'll I'll take
away those amendments um amend the amend this report, you
know, as per our conversation and then that amended report will then be sent
off to council as our final uh report. Uh, does that make sense?
» Sounds good to me. >> Okay, fantastic. Um, and now before we
maybe just do fliproughs, is there maybe any just general comments that anybody
would like to make before we just start flipping through kind of page by page
and ensure that we we get any comments? >> Job on it? I have no other comments.
» Okay. So, we'll just we'll just start flipping through.
Um, okay. So, we have our table of contents.
Um, I So, so I I can add I think I just I missed a couple of uh
pages there. I I can add the sub uh page sections. I just did it at the at the
major sections for each one, but but I can I can fill in all the all the
numbers for that. So, that is what I will do.
» Okay. add page numbers for all.
Um the next section is about the lake management task force. Um so that hasn't
really changed. >> Oh just
sorry Nadia just very very minor thing on the table of contents.
» Yes >> under 5.2 action one there's
[clears throat] a space missing
just to line them all up. >> 5.2 to action one.
Oh, >> I'm moving to another room.
» I see it.
» Sorry, Dan. You're you're moving to another location.
» Okay. >> Yeah, it's very
splotchy here. I'm going to come closer. >> Okay, sounds good. There there is the
room just off the off the council chambers here. Yep.
» It's It's comfy, too.
Okay. So, oh, so, so I did get that space.
» That's all. >> Perfect.
And I'm going to let Dan walk through
Carry on Eddie, I can hear you.
Okay, great. Uh so the next page is about the lake
management task force. Uh, so this hasn't changed for for a few versions
now. Any comments here? I see none. Uh, executive summary.
Uh, the one thing I think I will add in the executive summary, um, I'm going to
just add, if that's okay, um, just a a characterization,
um, sentence for each, uh, lake.
because that's that's one section that I really didn't capture here and I I think
it's important to just um [clears throat]
to highlight sort of the sort of the differences. So, you know, the fact that
uh Lake Eugenia is a reservoir, you know, Brewers is a private lake, um, you
know, Irish, um,
you know, kind of smaller lake with a small um, and then Will Cox. So, so I'll
just add a sort of a characterization sentence. So, you know, for the
executive summary, it's not supposed to create anything new. It's really just to
capture um, something that's already really existing within the report. Uh is
there anything else kind of missing maybe from the executive summary from
from your perspectives?
I did add one news um one new table that's in the main body as well and it's
captured in the executive summary um is an overview of the proposed actions and
recommendations by key lead groups. Um, so it's it's on page four and five.
Um, and I thought that might be helpful so that we can then recommend specific
items to uh to council like so the current council. Um, you know, we do
have I think we might be able to still squeeze this report in uh in September
and so council will have the opportunity and we we can ask to for for a report to
come back um on the items um highlighted um for for this current council and and
that is one item that I I do want to gain your feedback on. So if we do take
a look at page four
we have so the first section on page four so the overview recommendation by
key leads so speaking so first speaks to uh the municipality of grey highlands
uh first bucket are the items that have been implemented or are in progress so
we're highlighting there things that we we have already been able to action or
things that Bray Highlands is is already doing such as um the septic
reinspection. So fertilizer, septic reinspection and then the water quality
testing items. Uh the second
um
the second uh piece is to be considered um recommendations to be considered
maybe uh to be considered now by the current council. So given the fact that
they're more they're quick win rankings and have a lower resource and funding
need. Uh so those are so that's the tidy yards
bylaw allowing the naturalized gardens and and longer
uh grass lengths a signage strategy.
the invasive species um reporting
the enhanced public beach access points conditions
a comprehensive communication plan a lake management
um committee. So it's it may be just being you know open to participating you
know in some sort of format of a of a lake management committee moving forward
and advocating to public uh [clears throat] advocating to government
bodies you know as as needed or as required um when we think about um you
know our lake our lakes and and um I think the one item there would be you
know creating stronger working relation ations with OPG.
» Um, Nadia, can I just um for the second last one there, the I guess the working
group participation, are are you sort of suggesting that the current council
set it up for the next term or for or for the next year or something like that
or or >> so the structure would still need to be
decided. >> Okay. Yeah. So not recommending a
structure but recommending um participation if a structure does um
form >> right
» I don't necessarily believe um there should be another lake management
committee under council you know my my belief and my perspective
is you know if there was um a council or a committee formed in the community with
those who are interested in lake management.
Um that could be one way. Um the other way could be if
uh but it would require dollars. say if um council believed and wanted to ensure
that there was good um coordination going forward and could
ask the cons the conservation areas the conservation authority. So we would pay
the conservation authority um you know to hire you know fund
somebody to take the lead to do something like that. Okay.
» So, it's more about participation and the ask would be um for a staff report
to come back. So, it wouldn't be saying, "Hey, go ahead and do this." It would be
asking um the the way I would see this work is the request would be for staff
report to come back [clears throat] to see um you know, what could be done,
right? So in terms of of a tidy yards bylot, you know, so kind of confirming
um so yes, we don't have one and we could add naturalized gardens. So to
allow, you know, um properties to have, you know, the the native, you know, tall
native grasses, you know, in their front yards.
» Um you know, a signage strategy. So, you know, so as we speak to better um a more
coordinated sign, you know, for invasive species, you know, so communicating, you
know, invasive species or uh board boating restrictions, etc. You know,
when we think about the Lake Eugenia, you know, when we were
down there, there's there's a whole bunch of old older um signages over
time. you know, I think there's an opportunity to review all those signages
and and I and the boat launch, you know, organization, that Eugenia committee
there, uh they too believe there needs to be uh you know, a review of all those
signages. And I think as we do that and and and create um you know QR codes on
them so you know so it could go back to some sort of a come back to a grey
highlands lake management website you know a permanent website with all the
information um then all those kind of signages there should also be
appropriate signages at all access points as well
» right okay
Uh okay. Yeah. My my is my question was
only just in terms of you know the the current council is is sort of at the end
of their uh end of their rope as it were and
» whether it it it will might fall to the next one too. So, but so what could
happen is um this current council because you know this has been a task
force under the current council we could ask them for staff report on these kind
of more I'll call them kind of quick wins
» right um lower you know less um less effort resourcing um and if you ask for
a staff report to come back it won't come back to this current council but it
would come back to the next council Okay, that's yeah. Okay, that makes
sense. I understand now. >> Yeah.
So, um so the question is so I I'm going to pause here because I think this is
sort of important. Um does does this make sense?
» Yeah, I think the structure is is very clear as to what how things fall fall
out.
Is there something that should be there or shouldn't be there?
And then when we take a look at the third bucket, you know, so those two,
you know, items to be considered for, you know, incoming potentially incoming
um council. So these so these are items that would require greater resourcing
you know so something like so you know that that includes the comprehensive
lake studies right because that that would require significant monies say if
we wanted to do a wholesome you know scientific study of of Lake
Eugenia for example um roadside native plant buffers so that
could be like an adopt a road um approach kind of uh plant buffer
program.
Um, a wash station, right? So, because that would require dollars,
a carrying capacity study for Lake Eugenia. So, that would be from a
planning perspective and would require dollars. Um, a
protective lake plan and bylaw. So that'd be more of a review of maybe
potential other items, but that that would also require more investigation
because I I really don't know what what that would be. Um and then enhance the
boat launch. Um so with in conversation with the that Eugenia the Eugenia
development uh committee there um
you know they are I think they are looking to continue to um have
conversations [clears throat] uh with staff and and with council to
ensure that they are maintaining um that boat launch in good uh so so
[clears throat] that you know it isn't it uh is maintained well Um, I think one
of the items, you know, that was brought to my attention was
the landscaping, you know, so the dock seems to be still okay, but the
landscaping of the uh the uh the shoreline um maybe some concerns there.
Um you know, as boats come in and you know, might be bumping up against uh the
side of the lake. Um
so so you know so so I think it's good to under you know under maybe just to
highlight that um and you know the group will continue you know to um you know to
meet with staff and with to move these issues with with council.
So so any any comments on that? Does the
does the grouping seem to make sense? >> I think it does. And with the cross
references to all of the subtasks, I mean, it makes it comprehensive and easy
to find. I didn't find anything that wasn't in this report. I mean, you could
argue something should be done next week as opposed to next year, but I think it
covers all the areas. >> Okay.
Okay. Thank you. And then on page five um so then these
are proposed recommendations you know that um could be led you know by group
and like associations. So when we look at what is already being
implemented or in progress so water quality testing um so Laoa you know is
doing um some testing along with friends uh the lake studies so that's you know
the friends of like Eugenia you know has been doing that um and then items that
could be considered you know at the at the lake association as potential leads
uh could [clears throat] be you know additional water quality testing uh
there's the Irish like um it also we also do recommend um more testing at
Eugenia. So I do you know um so we we have as recommended the five locations
those five sites um because Laoa is just focused on the
green blue algae uh but if we believe the fullome you know phosphorus etc
should be um uh tested as well I I'll just add the the Eugenia one as well.
Um, so reviewing, you know, no wake zones, review boating restrictions,
continue to enhance boat launch, continue to enhance the communication
plans, continue to enhance education plans, consider like management
committee work and coordinated efforts and, you know, advocate to government
bodies and agencies. And I'm using the words, you know, to
continue and to review, you know, because we do know, you know, the lake
associations already do this work, but there is the opportunity to to enhance.
» Yeah, it's an ongoing thing, Nadia. >> I'm just waiting for the next invasive
species to come along and change the whole,
» you know, honestly. Yeah. >> Yeah.
» [clears throat] >> Um, so anything else kind of missing?
» No, we've covered this. This is good. >> Okay, fantastic. Okay, so then we'll
move along to page six, uh, the introduction.
Any comments on that?
So, am I missing any information or any key points not captured?
» Okay.
» Okay. So, we'll keep going. Um 1.2 lake management concerns. So, page seven and
eight. Um so, this is straight from our survey.
So, so we've captured um [clears throat] the overall overall uh
responses in the bar chart and then also included the top top five issues
identified uh by each lake. And I think what you know what's interesting is um
you know because there are some differences you know by lake and when
you do take a look by you know at a by lake um lens the public access points uh
does pop up for brewers Wilcox and Irish. So I think that's of interest.
Uh any comments here? Okay I don't see none. So we'll keep
going. Uh the lake management plan guiding principles. So we so that has
been there for some time. Uh the only thing that I did add was on page nine
the second uh guiding principle recognize the links between the human
health environmental health which support I added the economic health
aspect because um I didn't want to lose that
» because um because we we do hear that from from
residents because they do worry about their valuation. Jim,
» sorry, just back to your pie charts, your piraphphs.
Um, so
there's some categories that aren't represented in your graph. So probably
does I didn't check if that added to a 100% or not?
» Um, so yes. So the pi graphs are um the top five
concerns. So, taking just the top five concerns.
» Oh, there it says that there. Okay. Thank you.
» Okay. Okay. Um,
[clears throat] okay.
» Just to just to kind of keep it simple. Um, and to just
» trying to tease out maybe any key differences between links.
Mhm. So we didn't consider adding it in others
like still still presenting the five top but in the pie chart having a slice for
the other issues.
» So So the bar chart um represents all
» the responses there, right? >> Yes. Yes. [clears throat]
» I appreciate that. I appreciate that. And that's why I was wondering what if
if these pie charts could represent like I like the pie charts and I think it
shows clearly what the issues the the main issues are just
adding in a slice for the other stuff because anyways it's not a big deal. I
just think it's it's something that just presents a little bit more accurate
picture because there are other things that are important to folks.
» So so so definitely there are >> Mhm. And so that's why I thought like
you know having the full sum representation you know the bar chart is
is helpful so you have the full spectrum of of all the elements that were
captured while just highlighting you know what's what's the top concerns you
know by like just it's more for simplicity
» because >> yeah I don't think having
» so I'm sorry um yeah I don't think having like a um a pie slice marked
other um I I think that would probably, you know, help to because when you have
a pie chart, you you expect that it adds up to 100.
» Mhm. >> But again, it's it's a it's a minor.
It's really >> adds to 100. I think it's just with the
top five. >> Oh, right.
» Waiting associated with it, I think. Is that right? Am I
» So that's right. Yes. So we just took the top five issues.
» Yeah. um to to to show a waiting.
» Yeah. Well, Cox like to add up to 100.
» They all add up they all add up because it's just the top five proportionate.
So, it's not all, you know, so so say if there were like a hundred
» um responses for Lake Eugenia, right? But if there were only 60 responses in
the top five, then it it'd be 100% represents the 60
I personally I think it's it's best the way it is just have the top one because
put the other then question becomes what's in the other and you're going to
have small stuff like I know like the size of the motors not going to be an
issue on Bruce's lake and it just >> okay
» I think it it covers the covers the points
» like I said not not a big deal just maybe a personal preference
everything's presented did. So, it's probably not it's not big deal. I don't
Yeah, whatever. I'm not sure if you're going to present it the one way, you
have to present it the second way, but whatever. We'll just we'll just move on.
» Okay. Because I guess I like I don't think it
changes um the messaging in terms of hey, here's the top five issues.
No, it just it it does kind of highlight the top five though where I don't know
that there's any rationale for highlighting one over another,
right? Because it's already shown it's already
shown in the other the other graph, but I guess you're trying to separate it by
lake. separated by like, what you start to
see. >> Yeah. Because what you start to see when
you separate it by like is just, you know, those top items start to start to
they're a little bit different. >> Um, and I think what's of interest when
you take a look at the top five is, you know, in three in Brewers, Wilcox, and
Irish, they're more worried about um the public access points, while Lake Eugenia
is less worried about that, right? Lake Eugenia is more worried about um septic
systems and the other three aren't. >> Okay. So that kind of brought me to my
other question which was um so this is fine. I don't think it needs to be
changed but um the public so are these things defined I can't remember like
public access do we discuss what that means like is
public access access mean we want to have more public access or does it mean
we want to limit access to the public >> so um so the way it was just
highlighted or the way it was stated in the um questionnaire in the survey is as
you see in the bar chart. [clears throat]
» Okay. >> So, so this is where you know if you
want to continue to have um
so if we were to continue to move on the issue of hey uh for public access you
know what do we need to change or what do we need to address? So this would be
the next step of moving on the action point,
» okay, >> to to have those conversations.
But we haven't had that conversation as a task force. However, it is on the list
on the recommendation list. Um you know, if you go back to page four,
um it's a call it like um under the quick
win, right? So to ask for a report back, you know, from um from staff, you know,
to, you know, about enhancing access points conditions
» and so staff would bring back a report in terms of, hey, these were the these
were things I would probably have to consider if we wanted to move on it.
» So again, I wouldn't come back, you know, in terms of uh next steps.
» Okay, good enough.
Okay. Um, so, so thank you for that, Jim.
Okay. So, page nine were the guiding principles.
So, anything on that?
Okay. Uh, page 10. So, 1.4 four is the lake
management interest holding groups.
Um so still pretty similar to what we saw last time. I made a couple of tweaks
just to add a little bit more um information.
And I did add Sheila did ask to for where was it? The Ontario Soil and Crop
Improvement Association was added under agriculture.
So I did add that.
Any comments on that?
Okay. So moving to the back the section 2.0
the like background characterization.
Um, and Ken, you did um you did highlight two items in in your email
when you reviewed. I did not change anything yet, so you'll have to remind
me when we get to them. >> Okay. I have to go back and look at what
they were. Okay.
» Uh, so 2.1 Lake Eugenia, we did update the depth profile
uh images. So they so they are more clearer now.
And then we still have the the zoning view.
And then there's Brewster's Lake.
and Brewster's Lake was. So, thank you um Richard. We updated Brewster Lake for
the number of lots and properties around. So, 70 lots
within the subdivision and 28 are waterfront properties.
Then we have Irish Lake
and Will Cox Lake.
So any comments on any of those four?
Okay, I see none. So, we'll keep moving. So, and if you want to pause at any
point, just let me know.
So, lake management objectives on page 20.
So we did change uh the wording slightly to number one to maintain and improve
healthy water quality conditions. Also added um in the objective number
one under the issues addressed the second last bullet the presence of toxic
uh blue green algae blooms zebra muscles unknown cause.
» I'm I'm gonna jump in here. Um, is that we sus it's sorry I think a suspected
cause. I don't know. Do we have ev is there evidence out there? I'm just
thinking from what we've been reading over the last little while.
I I know the [clears throat] uh the friends of Lake Eugenia have a very
different approach. There's there's lots of research
material published research material from uh respected authorities that
indicate that zebra muscles has an impact because they eat the algae that
would otherwise consume some of the nutrients that are leftovers. There's
more nutrients for the for the blue green algae to to feed [clears throat]
on. >> No competition.
» Yeah. >> Yeah.
» So, yeah. So, we do have research that supports that. Um, we don't have
specific research on luggenia itself, but there is known research and so if
that needs to be rewarded because I I did say zebra and muscles a known cause.
So, if that needs to be more specific, um maybe that doesn't
um
» actually I I did see some of that same research think looking back thinking
about it. Um but perhaps there's a there's a better way to to phrase that.
» Yeah. Um but I I think even really our our issue
is the regardless of the cause or the the issue that that we we need to
address is the presence of the allergy blooms.
» Yes. But I also did want to highlight um the zebra muscles because I think it's I
didn't I don't want to lose that either because I think it's something that
we've talked about as a committee >> as a
» and or or what we can say um you know you know zebra something to the effect
of zebra muscle is a known cause um and is
um
how do you say that like it's a maybe um a potential
suspected or potential cause. Is that what you want to say?
» Yeah. Kind of like it's a hypothesis. >> Yeah. Or a contributing factor.
» Yeah. So you could say zebra muscles are potent. Exactly.
» I would agree with that. I Yeah. >> Yeah. Potentially contributing factor.
» Yeah. So zebra muscles. >> So it stays but just
» it may not be [clears throat] all the problem but it may be very well part of
the problem. For sure. For sure. For sure.
» Um, okay. So, zebra muscle's a potentially contributing factor.
» Is that better? >> I like it.
» Okay, good.
Okay.
Okay, any any other um comments on these
moving along. Um so thank you Jim for the best practices.
Now I do want to pause on this. What? So the one change Jim what the one change I
did when I brought it in was I I took out maybe I took out all the sort of the
government references like from a academic perspective because I thought
maybe I would just capture it in the ref like in at the end at the references but
then as I'm thinking about it it still may be helpful for it to be just in the
um in the text itself. Um and so so what I'd like to So if Jim if that's I I do
just want to kind of get your um feedback on this because if that still
makes sense what I'll do is I'll bring it back in. Um and the only and the only
item that I took out um in terms of the uh point sources was
the um wastewater treatment plants because it it because you know it wasn't
it's not it's not a factor on our lakes right now.
Yeah, I don't think so. Um, >> or maybe because we do have one in
Kimberly in Talisman and we have the >> the lagoons there
» that's not contributing to the >> that would contribute.
» Yeah, >> not here. I'm trying to think if there
would be any elsewhere. I don't think so. Eugenia would be the one and I don't
think there's anything upstream. Uh
» and the storm water management ponds I like I don't know of any right now that
would >> there is I know there is like so for
example uh Ice River Springs has one and some others do as well with
contributions to the beaver which ends up in the in the lake.
» Okay. >> Yeah, you're right though. Like I don't
think there's any wastewater ones. I'd have to think about that. I don't
believe there is >> they would be private and I'm not sure
there is any so like you say there may be in the future right so if you have
some development that proceeds and there is changes at the ministry the
environment to permit or actually it's a long story but wastewater treatment
plants for small private developments have been uh
uh rejected by municipalities and so they won't sign municipal responsibility
agreements with with the developers but the mun the the government has changed
the laws around that so they may need to be accepted so you may see them more of
them in the future um but anyway it's not there now so I
don't think it's important to leave that in fine to take it out
» okay that's the only one I took out >> uh storm water I think you might want to
leave in because it will be and is included in any development, new
development, >> uh, which you would have some proposed
at least in the watershed and some and as I say, you have some at
Ice River Springs and some other spots along the way, I think. So, probably a
good one to leave in. In terms of the references, I'll leave
that to your discretion. You you can >> Yeah. Do Do you have a a strong view
either way? >> I do not. No, I mean you could you could
bring it leave it in or take it out. I think it was referenced for the purposes
of for someone to to look it up in the future. It wasn't really
» it's public information that we were using. So I don't think it was anything
that needed necessarily to be referenced.
» Okay. Okay. Because then what I'll I'll make sure it's um it is also included in
in our references. So So maybe [clears throat] I'll leave it the way
this is now then. >> Sure.
» Okay.
Um, so any any comments uh from other members on on this section?
But it's a good it's a good overview of like non-point and and point sources
and thank you for that uh Jim.
» Okay. So then if we Ken
» sorry page 22 as part of this that's where I had my my little comment no till
cropping there's a extra space in there >> okay so so we're on page 22 sorry
» um the second uh um but bullet relevant BMP recommendations
» okay yes no space >> okay
» I know I hang up on these things. [laughter]
» You have an eagle eye. Thank you. >> All right.
Right. Okay. So then if we're moving along. Okay. So page 27. So now we're
into the actions and recommendations.
Uh so so first we have the introduction.
We talk about the actions and recommendations uh strategic themes
and then on page 28 we talk about the prioritization just a little description
of the pri prioritization chart that follows.
» So I'll just pause here for a moment. Is are there any comments on this section
on these three first kind of two three pages?
» It's good. >> Okay. And then on page 29
uh so with the prioritization chart so made the changes as we discussed at our
last meeting and then I did add the one item 12F
advocate to government bodies and 12F got grouped in with 12DF.
[snorts] So, education plan like management
uh committee work and advocacy work.
Does that make sense?
Okay. Uh so then we if we keep moving along on
page 30 we have the um so we saw this chart um be brought up to the front to
the executive summary. So this is just a bit of that kind of overview by a lead
um by key lead.
Uh so kind of breaking it out between what we could maybe push with uh you
know with council and the municipality um and versus
you know where community groups would be would more
naturally be key leads.
Okay. So moving along. So then getting into the actions and
recommendations um
section the with the the more detailed section.
So the first one is the water. So action number one water quality testing on page
32.
So I don't think anything's changed here.
We did correct for the five
I just want to make sure for the five test sites.
Um
yeah, it's on page 33 1B. So add additional test sites on Lake Eugenia.
Five sites because I think um before we there is we were using both four and
five. So it's five
Then on page 34, we have the Lake Eugenia
with the five pins. One, two, three, four, five. So those are the proposed
testing sites.
Then we have the Brewers Lake map with the one like partner site.
Irish Lake. We added a pin for the proposed for a proposed testing site.
Ken, can you remind me? Did we ask lake partners if we could do Irish Lake?
» Um I Okay, let me think about that exactly what the status was.
Um,
at one point they were a little earlier on they were resistant to adding
uh new sites but I mean then we came back and we were able to you know
reestablish the site on Brewster Lake. Um I I
» or Wilox >> I mean sorry on Wilox.
» Mhm. >> And uh
I think I think it'd be a case of starting from the point of view of
having a volunteer on on Irish Lake, >> right?
» Okay. and and sort of taking from that I I think it's a case of they can be
persuaded
but um yeah that's still that's still left as a a task to be undertaken going
forward >> okay
because you know if we go back to Irish Lake you know the concerns you know our
little pie charts >> um
the number two concern was limited monitoring and testing
» exactly
No. Okay.
Uh and then on page 37, so Will Cox like
» and Morris, you you've started that.
» Oh, I can't hear you.
Yeah, I I started the sampling in May. >> Excellent.
» It's I've been doing it every month. I got one to do this month and one next
month. >> Fantastic.
» That's awesome. I've I've just I've just guessed at where in the lakes you're
taking your samples. It's just a artist's representation.
» Yeah. And it it's pretty close. And uh I I know the I talked to you Ken
about the one the maps that showed the depths and how far they are on Wilox
Lake. There's nowhere that deep on any on the lakes.
» Okay. I don't know where those those I mean I don't know where that
[clears throat] that service got that information from.
And the uh I'm doing the two sites at the same time and the clarity in the
back lake is far better than Wilox Lake. >> H
interesting. >> Yeah.
» Well, it's much quieter there. I guess there's less.
» Actually, it's been quiet around both the lakes. All right. You
» see anybody? >> Okay. Okay.
Thank you so much for doing that. course and it looks like I'm going to be
continuing it on after this year. >> Great.
» That's awesome. Thank you for volunteering.
» Morris, trust me, once you get started, nobody will let you get off of it.
[laughter] [clears throat]
» I'm on year 20.
» Okay. Um, so we're on page 38. So action number two, the scientific research. I
don't think there's anything that's changed here.
I think that's a see the GSCA completed that lake study in I think it was 1976 I
think it was. I think that's [clears throat] something that maybe
should be undertaken again. That's probably really outdated. And I
every time there's something that comes up for a vote on adding more homes and
stuff around Lake Genie, I vote it down. Whether it's allowed or not, I don't
know. Wait, [clears throat] I think it's totally overbuilt now.
» Yeah. Um so yeah. Um so so that would be you know like a like a um part of
Yes. So that would be if if we want to move forward with that that would be
dollars needed to to move forward. >> Yeah. If I if I get reelected I think
that's something I might advocate for. >> Yeah. Okay. And and it is in the list of
you know [clears throat] for council um going forward.
» Okay. >> It's great.
Um,
okay. Page 39's the stewardship septic system management.
I don't think anything's changed there. Storm water runoff management action
four on page 40.
Um just on the the storm water um um maintaining water quality.
I'm not so sure like they're they're mainly designed to
to catch the silt and and stuff like that. uh slow the water down so that the
the silt can settle out and then [clears throat] even with uh sometimes
when you get a really big storm like the the the ponds will get overwhelmed and
I'm not so sure that they're so designed to filter out pollutants, you know, like
fertilizers and salt and stuff that you've
[clears throat] you've set out there. Um
um I don't know how you could word that
differently, Nadia. Um and definitely erosion. That's that's definitely a
Yeah. Um do you understand what I'm saying or?
» Yeah. So the so um so the first one storm water runoff management along Lake
Shore is on the lake shures is critical to help maintain water quality. So, it
helps filter harmful pollutants, >> salt, and animal waste.
» Yeah. And they've they've they've changed the way they designed them. They
used to let them run dry and and let the water as it come in, it would filter out
and filter down through the the strata. And now they they leave water in them.
Uh they actually want you to line them so that they that they hold the water. I
guess the idea is if there's water in there, it will slow the dirty water
coming down faster. And >> um
yeah, and I'm not so sure that they're designed for like to take out pollutants
and fertilizers and salt. And >> so this like
» Are you think about storm water management ponds?
» Yes. >> So So this is Yeah. So this isn't the
storm water management ponds. This is just um when we think about
um storm water runoff management. So when you think about buffers
um >> okay I see I understand what you're
talking about now. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
» And and so when you think about buffers etc. you know I do see this language
» related to it. >> Oh yes.
» It helps to filter >> you know slow down and and helps to
filter >> the grass and the cattails and Yeah.
Yeah. Before >> Okay, you're absolutely right there.
[clears throat] >> Yep. You're right there. Yeah.
» Okay. >> Yep.
» Uh Jim, >> yeah, I think you handled it. I think
you handled the question, but I I you know, interested to talk to member
Wiccans about storm water pond design anytime. there. He's pretty much correct
except uh they are designed to remove pollutants including nutrients
from uh incoming storm water whatever is attached to the sediment. So there would
be nutrients attached and then >> the the ponds are vegetated for removal
of >> of um nutrients as well. But you're
correct about the removal of uh say road salt. They are unable to do that.
» No, because it's it's in solution. Yeah, >> that's right.
» Yeah. >> Um so when it comes to these
shoreline buffers, um I'm not sure what mechanism they have to
remove salts. Certainly, if they're slowing the water and there's infiltrate
infiltration [clears throat] into the ground, then that water with
salt will infiltrate into the ground. That would be that would be true. So,
I'm not sure if that helps clarify that point, but
» yeah, because so I think that is part of the um you know, because like buffers
helps to slow down um water filtering through, you know, into the ground
before it hits the lake. Yeah. Are taken up by the plants, too.
Yeah. Yep. >> So, is there anything that I should
remove or is it okay as is? >> No, I think that's fine. I Yeah. I just
It was just the way that I was thinking differently than you. Yeah.
» And this is where we speak to our fertilizer bylaw,
ys bylaw, right? So, allow for naturalized gardens. Um,
and and I'm also just going to add also taller uh taller grass
uh heights. Is that's it's actually I don't think
it's I don't think it's stated there. So, I'm
just going to just add the taller grass heights under 4B.
And then 4C, uh, so um, brushing clearing to, so native plant buffers
along roadsides. Um, and it and it could be a like a dot
like a DOT highway kind of a program, a volunteer program. We we did actually
speak to this uh at council um last month. Um it it was it was not
supported by council to move forward with. Um so but maybe like a adopt a
highway kind of a program, a volunteer program um to you know to volunteer and
uh and establish plant buffers along roadsides might be
um more more um applicable. Does that make sense?
If I maybe just add those words because it'll just maybe just kind of
change it up a bit because it was not it was not uh it was not well supported by
by council.
» Uh page 41, the invasive species management.
» I apologize for interrupting. I'm I'm as we're going along, I'm just trying to
capture the amendments. And I I missed what you had just indicated. I was
taking notes about um adding the taller grass uh under 4B, but I missed um the
other amendment if there was one that you were um suggesting about making.
» Yes. So for 4 C. >> Okay.
» Um so I will add the words something to the effect of a like adopt a highway
type program. >> Okay. Perfect. Thank you.
» Thank you.
Um and then action number five invasive species management
and where we do have signs like so you know 5B we talk to the post infographic
signs and then where we do speak to signs right after that I I'll state you
know as part of a um you know as part of a signage strategy
because you know because we do speak to um I think like three different kinds of
signs and I think that it all needs to be coordinated you know as a broader
strategy so there you know so it's part of sort of you know one kind of
communication Mhm.
» Anything else for invasive species management?
» That's good. Okay.
Uh then the fisheries and wildlife protection action six on page 43.
So nothing has been changed here
any cross references to action 12 you know in terms of education programs
and action shoreline naturalization
action seven page 44
I got It cross references to education programs.
Then action eight, responsible booting.
I don't think we've changed anything since last time here.
» Okay.
» The the uh they're under 8C. I just noticed that applying for restrictions.
It shouldn't be all four legs. Those two lakes already have restrictions.
» Oh, okay. So, could it be maybe consider applying? Maybe review and consider
applying because they could maybe change.
Yeah, they could. But the way it's I mean the this the scope [snorts] and I
think the intent is to say for those that don't have any controls um we
should look at putting some controls in place.
» Okay. So, so what we can do, so would it make sense to because I'm just wondering
about, you know, kind of like um being holistic. So, could we say um you know
um those that do have it to review and two that don't have it should consider?
» Yeah, that's fine. >> Okay. Which which which two have it and
which two don't have it? >> So, Eugenia and Wilcox, sorry, Eugenia
and and sorry, Irish and Brewers. Can't read the lines here. hires and
producers have restrictions under the shipping act. Uh the other two are
unrestricted.
» Okay. So, so that they have so they can review
» just to make sure you know it's it's still at the restriction level that they
wish and then >> Morris, is there not a horsepower
restriction on on Will Cox? >> Yes, there is.
» That's what I thought. put under whose authority?
» And there's no personal watercraft like sea dudes or anything that like that
alone. >> Yeah. I'm just curious as to what who
who uh set that we ignore enforcement for a second because that's tougher, but
who set that up that there is a limitation?
uh the uh lake
the Wilcox Lake Association years ago. >> Okay.
» Is it enforcable? >> Uh they seem to be enforcing it.
Who >> who [laughter] who actually enforces it?
Like just the the local residents? >> The residents that live there full time.
But it but it's not official if it's not included in the AV.
» No. >> So So is it a step that they should
take? >> Is it which
» is it a step that will cox should take to ensure that it's um documented and
registered with V? >> It probably wouldn't hurt, but
There's nobody going against against what they're saying. So,
» yeah. Is it signed, Morris? >> No,
» it's not.
» Cuz then if you if you get it um recorded by V, then then you can also
then get it, you know, get the proper signage.
» So, that would be part of the signage. um kind of strategy.
» Okay. So, so >> Oh, go ahead.
» Sorry. I think that comes under reviewing
uh or you know without having to be specific reviewing or instituting
um reviewing or considering voting restrictions.
» Yeah. So, I'll just do reviewing and or consider Mhm.
» restrictions. So really, so Eugenia is the only one
that doesn't have a restriction then. >> So Wilox has one as per residential
might. >> Yeah.
» Okay. Okay. So, so I'm going to keep it um just broad to say review and or
consider and I'll keep it all four legs and then
um but but I think that that might be a
good action item for Will Cox if you guys want to
or or should I ask or should I add the detail because it's it's good
information that we know. My concern is that because this becomes a public
document, uh the way it's written now, it sounds like
Bruce Lake and and um Irish Lake should go and make an application to restrict
what vessels are on there. So, somebody could take this and say, "Look, it's not
you guys supposed to apply for it." I know in the previous paragraph it talks
about it, but it doesn't say where that restriction is. Yeah,
» that's that's my concern is that I think we want to you might you know for the
you know we might want to say for the two lakes um
that currently have restrictions to review the appropriateness and the other
two to >> Yeah. Okay. So I'll do that. Okay. So
we'll review for Irish and Brewers uh for appropriateness
and then we'll uh and consider for Willox and Eugenia
to apply because u while Willox is is doing it by
residential might they haven't applied to the V and that might be a good next
step.
Okay, thank you.
All right. Um so then we have just a signage example for infographics. Okay.
Is there anything else for the responsible voting?
Nope. Okay. 5.4 planning and infrastructure.
[snorts] Uh so these are farmland measures.
You know there's already programs um with different agencies
and then opportunity just to reinforce communications of the of the various
agricultural programs.
Uh action 10, the responsible development.
I was quite surprised when I looked at that map of Irish Lake. There's 60 lots
surrounding that. I had no idea that was that uh
» that highly populated. Yeah, there's like a little community on
the north end. >> Sure is. Yeah.
» Yeah. >> Can I just ask a question here? Is the
lake carrying capacity study different than the lake characterization study?
» I believe it is because characterization because capac so
[clears throat] the carrying capacity will tell you how many
um dwellings and like you know like how
many dwellings and how um the density of the planning and the density
um you know of homes that a lake can um sustain and characterization is more
about all of the I think it's it doesn't necess while there's probably overlap
because you do still need to understand uh the quality of the like um but I
don't think you will necessarily get to the same it doesn't necessarily
» the same answer. >> Okay.
» There's probably overlap though. >> Yeah. I was I was just curious just to
to distinguish the two. Yeah. Okay. [clears throat]
» Yeah. Yeah, because the carrying capacities from a planning perspective
» probably has something to do with the type of fish and wildlife and the type
of water supply whether it's rivers or springfed and uh
» you know whether it has an outlet or not like you know Brewers [snorts] has
roosters has no outlet.
Oh, and and maybe just for the um you know, the caring capacity, you know, I
would say, you know, Lake Eugenia is is a priority.
Um you know, but then I think I would just add another point here. Um you
know, that the other lakes could be considered.
Yeah, because if there was more um planning
uh pressures um
» yeah subdivision >> I mean it's not there's nothing planned
but who knows for the future. >> Yeah, exactly.
Okay. So, so for 10A I'll also add um you know prioritize Lake Eugenia and
then in the future you know potential consideration.
» Mhm.
» So potential consideration for other legs for other three legs.
» Yeah, that wouldn't hurt.
Uh moving on. Action 11, public access management.
Okay. So um so for this actually so page 49. So 11 a
you know, because Lake Eugenia, you know, does have the the large public
beach. Um
but then I think you know I think there's the other um element of ensuring
that there's um public access
considerations and strategies for all for all the other sites.
Um staff currently is reviewing the public
access site on the north end of Eugenia because we don't while we purchase that
a sliver of land so there is access um we don't have a strategy of sort of
what's going to be there so you know so that's coming back and um
and for the other access points I think there probably should be a clear
understanding of how we'd want to manage
What do you guys think?
But just um just to sort of just a really really
minor change, consider actions to reduce the amount of time that Lake Eugenia is
unsafe for swimming as opposed to as posted as.
All right. I think maybe that's a little bit more
Oh, right. Okay. Is is unsafe for swimming. Yep.
» Yeah. I think just make it a little bit more strongly worthy.
» Yeah. Is unsafe. Yep.
So, would it make sense to add the other >> and the other legs? Yeah.
» The other legs just so it's complete.
Okay. And then 11 C. Um so I will leave that
as enhance the vote launch. Um
u because um the Eugenia District Association um so so they are um moving
forward to you know reaching out to staff and then probably to council to uh
to continue to enhance um the boat launch.
Um so I'll just add a sentence there.
with all those question marks. And I'll just make sure with the with
the with the group that it makes sense.
Okay. Anything else? Okay. Great.
Uh 5.5. So outreach. So this is communications and education.
So on page 50 and 51.
So did add 12F coordinate and advocate to targeted government bodies. So
municipal, provincial, federal and other agencies OPG to promote and forward lake
management issues.
Okay. Nothing there. >> That's all good.
» All right. Yay. We're almost through this.
We're on um item six of the communication plan.
So, so the um the purpose of this is um to help provide
topics and key messages um around
stewardship actions that could be relayed in a social media type
communication plan. Uh because staff is very um willing to you know sort of take
key topics and key messages and help to turn them into um
you know social media posts. Um you know to help reinforce
um you know the communications of good stewardship and you know in doing it and
they're happy to do that sort of you know throughout the year. um they can
add it into their communication plan, their their overarching kind of
communication plan. Um right. And so it so so this is all about
um you know helping to provide topics
messages to support a so social media stewardship educa uh communication plan.
I think what I'll do is I'll I'll just I had I'll review kind of the you know
that introduction. I'm not sure if I feel like it could
maybe be tweaked a little. I was really tired
when I wrote it. >> Okay.
» Oh, so I'm not sure how so I may I may just if um if if somebody has tweaks,
let me know. [clears throat] But what I'll do though is I'll just review it
like with fresh eyes. Um, and just make sure it just makes sense.
I think you should just sort of recap what you just told us and that you you
wanted to set this up as a communication schedule or calendar that
um the the basically your your content
creator will refer back to as they go through the year.
» Yes. Yes.
So I I will review that with that key purpose in mind. Um a little tired when
I wrote that. >> Okay.
» Um so is there is there anything that's kind of missing? I you know I just kind
of kept it to some of the uh broader topics.
anything kind of really
shouldn't be there or something that's really missing.
So we talk about lawns, fertilizers, shoreline restoration,
runoff, rainwater runoff, septic reinspections,
mulching,
invasive species, permeable surfaces, green, blue, blue green algae, safe
boating, lawns and composting and salt
alternatives, preserving, preventing erosion and disposing paths.
So then if we continue on past those key topics and then as you kind of as you
flip through the next few pages. Um so again, you know, they're kind of
like these kind of key messages because it can be used for
um social media content creation.
Good reminder for me to go buy some grass seed for my lawn.
» Excellent. [laughter]
Fantastic. Look at that. We've already impacted one uh one lake member
» and I'm getting my septic system inspected tomorrow.
» Oh, good for you. >> Great. [laughter]
» Do you know where your septic tank is? >> Yes. Yes, I I went up and I uncovered
it. So, they're going to have easy access.
» It's good. I heard that somebody got a letter and they they responded, "Can
somebody help me find my septic tank?" So, there's one good reason for a septic
inspection. >> It's never been pumped.
» I didn't say I found it on the first uh first shovel going into the ground.
» Yeah. >> Eventually, I hit it.
» Yeah. It's it's a good exercise. Everybody finds it. Yeah. Yeah. Really
good exercise. Yeah. And for a septic reinspection. Um
Yeah. So there's some key messages around the Grey Highland, you know,
reinspection pilot program for Lake Eugenia. And then just and then just
general subject management tips.
» So that one's a little longer because there's kind of two aspects to it.
I'll let you guys just kind of peruse those few pages
and let please let me know if there was anything that kind of jumps out.
» Here Dubick, I did have a quick question. I apologize. I'm trying to
keep up with the the amendments as uh the task force is uh making their way
through the report. I just wanted to I wondered if you could repeat the
amendment um that was covered off um when the task
force began reviewing the communication plan.
» Yes. So, yeah. So, so I'm gonna I'm going to review that with fresh eyes. Um
but I do want to ensure that um the that the the key intent is captured uh which
is um you know um setting up a communication calendar
uh for um for stewardship
for lake management stewardship um in order to you know in order to create um
social media content throughout the year. So, something to that effect, but
I'll I'll word it better. And I just want to make sure it's in there and I
have to review what's in in those [clears throat] kind of three sort of
the messaging right um up above. >> Thank you.
» So, it'll just get massaged, but
Um so so any any comments on this section?
» Um um I [clears throat] wonder um I think
there's a um maybe a lot of people don't know that there's
uh new risers that they can put on your septic tank now for easy access. They're
little green covers and uh they just have uh have screws in them and you pop
the lid off and there's no digging or shoveling or anything like that. Um
just uh just to make it easier so you don't have to destroy your lawn every
time your your uh your tank is pumped. I don't know how we could um
» so so I can I can find so I can add what what are they called? Just risers.
» Just risers. Yeah. Septic tank risers. And uh they're
they're they're able to be able to be installed right at ground level. And
[clears throat] >> like four screws and off the thing
comes. And anything anything new now has to have a uh a little filter in it. And
it's supposed to be cleaned out. Well, some say every six months, some say
every year. I don't know. So, it's for easy access. You just pop them off and
the filter comes out when you spray it off and pop it back in.
» Yeah. In the middle of page 55 it says clean the fil your effluent filter.
» Yeah. >> A lot of a lot of uh well anything
that's probably 10 years and older doesn't have one of the
» I'm going to pump my tank and I'm going to put the risers in because mine's 30
years old and it's just got cement lids and
I can [clears throat] put the risers on. Okay. Actually, that's what we have to
cement. Okay. Um, so good. Okay. So, um, except tank riser. So, so I will add
that point. I'll find find, um, a proper source for it and add it.
» Yeah. It just makes things so much easier,
» right? >> And then your your septic can't can't
septic tank can't be lost. >> Yeah. Some Yeah. Anyways,
» okay. I will I will find wording around that. Thank you.
Um, any any other comments for this section?
» I think you've done a wonderful job, Natty. I I don't I couldn't I wouldn't
know where to begin how to put something like this together. And fantastic.
Really fantastic.
Well, >> what happened?
Oh, sorry. You guys disappeared on me for a second. Okay,
» you're still there. >> Yeah, must have been I must have moved
my mouse. >> This is a tremendous amount of work,
Nadia. Really? And I know there's a lot of people here who contributed and
others that aren't, but you were the captain anyway.
» Yeah. No, everybody contributed. So, it's it's great, right? like we we've
had some really great conversations over the past year. Um and uh yeah, it's
getting things down on paper is important. And so I think this is um so
this is this is and it I I think what's so important about this um is um you
know it captures a framework for for you know a good like management plan. you
know, we already have, you know, recommendations. Some things are
underway. Some things need to continue to be vetted and discussed to move
forward. Um, but, you know, if we can find a home for this to continue to
ensure that things do move along, you know, one home is, you know, with
council for some of these items. uh the other homes are, you know, um you know,
if if there's um a community body that could could come together. I think that
that could be um could be interesting. Um you know, maybe cross cross lakes.
Don't know. I don't know if there is interest, you know, u to do that, but
that would be, you know, I think shopping this around with all the four
lake associations and just having that conversation to see, you know, are they
good on their own or, you know, would they want to if they if they see any
benefit to collaborating in any way?
» [clears throat] >> um
that that that could be of interest and there there could be potential
especially when it comes to things like programming and education programming
and potential uh grant funding.
» Okay. And oh, and then the last thing is the one thing I didn't do is um just
creating the very last appendex and acronyms list because we do have
acronyms throughout and sometimes it's just easier just to have a little table
with all the acronyms together in one list.
And I will do just one last review of references uh just to make sure we have
everything captured.
All right.
That's it. Almost. That's it. Um
so coordinator Thompson.
So um next steps uh because so now that we do have um a report we so I so my
next step is to take the list of amendments that we discussed to update
the report and then that updated report will then go to council. Is that
correct? Uh yes, councelor Dubick through you.
That uh that would I be the ideal process. Um so um my suggestion and
that's why I was trying to keep track of the amendments as as the task force was
rolling through the document tonight. I I have um and perhaps we could just go
through and and do a double check that I've captured all of them. I could
certainly read the draft motion that I've um prepared, but um the task force
would be moving a motion to approve the lake management task force report as
amended. So recognizing uh the report that was provided on tonight's agenda
was the final draft. the a uh the final report would be um that final draft with
the amendments made tonight incorporated into it. Um I've also included um
amendments as necessary to finalize the document report formatting. Um so
ideally the lake management task force would uh be in a position to um approve
the final report at tonight's meeting um and make a recommendation that that
final report be forwarded to council for consideration. Um the task force may
also want to consider how the report is presented to council if if it's simply
going to be um added to an upcoming council agenda if that's the preference
or if there's a preference for um members of the task force to attend um
an upcoming council meeting and present um the task force report. um that could
be done as a presentation and there's simply an an an application process that
we could go through to um set up the task force with a slot uh for a
presentation on an upcoming um council agenda.
» You think we could do that in 10 minutes, Nadia?
» And that was my other comment to Chair Dubick uh in advance of tonight's
meeting. Um, if the task force wanted to request
additional time, um, that's totally fine. Um, that could just be, um,
included in tonight's motion, uh, in relation to whether or not there is a
presentation, who, uh, from the task force would wish to do that presentation
and how long the the presentation um would be. Uh the maximum ideally would
be 30 minutes because that's within the procedure bylaw that the maximum for
each meeting. Um but as you know typically the um presentations and
delegations to council are a 10-minute time slot.
» Okay. Um so so I'm just going to open up the floor to see um if the task force
would like to do a presentation to council.
Thoughts on that? >> I think that would be an excellent idea.
I think we could I think we could squeeze it in 30 minutes. I think we
could. >> Absolutely. I think it's totally doable,
» you know. Think so. What's everybody else think?
» Can I ask when the council meeting would where would probably fall in just to see
who's available? >> Yeah, first and third Wednesdays at 10
o'clock. So, so Danielle, which one could we slot
into? [clears throat] >> Uh, that is a really good question. Uh,
if you just bear with me one moment, I can certainly have a quick peek at.
I know uh I'm not I don't want to speak too soon. I'll take a quick look at what
um is scheduled so far. We've
» only got we got three or four meetings left.
So, um through the chair, uh there's a 10 one 10-minute time slot available at
the um September 16th council meeting.
I'll have a look at the October meeting
and it does appear that there are no delegations scheduled for the October
7th council meeting. So that would be open at this at this time. Yeah, because
I I believe we could do a
you know so so I'll just I'll just u state my opinion. I I think it's
worthwhile to do a presentation because I think this task force has done a lot
of work and I think it's it's worthwhile to um to showcase that work. Um, you
know, I I I do believe that um, you know, there could be like a 10-minute
presentation with then questions to follow. Um,
» yeah, they always run into a half an hour [laughter]
everyone. >> Yeah. because I think there's still, you
know, I think it can be condensed in in some very kind of key
» um, you know, where we want council to focus in on and where we want council to
focus in on are there, you know, as a lead, you know, here here's probably,
you know, here are the recommendations that we would like for council to move
forward because we do have an ask in here for council for this council to
move forward a a staff report on on a on a you know number of
recommend recommendations and I think that is something that we would want to
push council you know ask council to do um and that is easily done within a
within a presentation format.
So, I'm gonna leave it there and just open it up to see um if folks what what
folks are thinking.
The advantage of a uh presentation at council tends to get covered in the
local paper. I think otherwise there's just a report that's provided and
submitted for consideration and kind of like
next nobody reads it. Unfortunately, I'm tied
up on that day on the 7th, but I could do if it's two
weeks later and I don't know if that's still council still meeting at that
point or you you done. >> The last one is October 7th,
unfortunately. >> Yeah.
» Yeah. >> Yeah. I'm I'm not available October 7th.
It was September 16th. Um but I'm certainly available to help
prepare it. Anybody
else available?
» I'm sorry. The dates are the 16th of September and October the 7th.
» Yeah. >> Yeah. And it's during the day.
» 16th is out for me. Um 7th,
[cough and clears throat] excuse me.
Seventh is a possibility. Three,
but I mean I think it should be done is my opinion on that matter. We'd
certainly like to have as many members there as possible just to have them
recognize the work that they've done and >> but [clears throat] if you can't I guess
that's >> it's it's tricky unfortunately.
» I can try I can try and move my appointment on the 7th. So it might be
movable.
» Okay. Thank you Richard Morris. Uh >> weddings stays are out for me. Okay.
So, so the best potential date is October 7th. So, so Danielle,
could we
» could we get slotted there or like how would we go about doing that?
» Uh, thank you through you, Chair Dubick. Sorry, it was the October 7th council
meeting, >> correct?
» Was the preference? Um, so I think I think uh the best
process would be to um kind of do this in two separate parts. We'll the Lake
Force Lake management task force could move um a motion that um approves the
amended report and uh request that the final
report as amended be forwarded to council. And then uh a sec a subsequent
motion could be made that the task force agrees for a request to be made to
present the report at the October 7th council meeting.
um
and whether or not the task force wants to appoint specific members to present
the the report um or leave it as um that the uh members of the task force will
will attend to present the report. >> Let's leave it general so that um
because it's going to be a best efforts and you know calendars may move around
for folks. So let's if we can leave it general I think best.
» Thank you. And and one more clarity that would be required in that subsequent
[clears throat] motion would be the time frame um that the group would prefer.
Would it be a 10-minut 20 minute 30 minute uh presentation keeping in mind
that it's the speaking time that is limited. questions from council are
after and um not included in that uh restricted time frame.
» Yeah. >> So so I think so so I'm going to take a
stab here. Um my my initial reaction is I think 20 minutes would be adequate.
Okay. >> I don't know what what do folks feel.
» [clears throat] >> I think you can do it, Chair Dubic.
[laughter] And I I don't know if it's time to make
a motion. I would make a motion that uh the Lake Management Task Force uh
approve the amended report and uh pass it on to council.
» Seconded.
And then cam um coordinator Thompson for um for like a 20 minute presentation
um
we could do a presentation like in the background kind of thing like off the
side because because we kind of take the report and and kind of take key elements
of it and put it in a in a presentation deck.
» Um thank you through you. Uh I would suggest yeah that that's always a handy
thing when presentations are made to council to have kind of a slide deck. So
um we could include in the motion um
recognition that the slide deck will be prepared and uh to accompany that
presentation. >> Yeah.
» And I just want to make sure that like it's not like we don't have to do
another [laughter] review like a formal review of it,
right? It's just it's going to be done on the side. Thank you.
So folks, does that seem adequate for like 20 minutes?
» I think so. Especially if there's follow-up questions.
» So questions >> 20 minutes is a lot as having having
prepared various presentations in my life. 20 minutes is a lot of content.
» Yeah. But, you know, sitting at council, I I've we've also seen like, you know,
smaller presentations like the presentate presenters going over 10
minutes quite easily and so I don't want to get just cut off.
» Right. If we don't use it all, great. >> Yeah. Yeah.
I I agree. I think, you know, 10 minutes is a lot of speaking time.
Okay.
Um, now in terms of the presentation, is anybody here online? Um, so so I'm happy
to continue to be involved uh with the development of the presentation. Is
anybody else interested in being involved?
Ken, Richard, >> I can help you. Yeah, certainly.
» So, um, so Ken and Richard, if you guys want to be maybe like the main folks and
then like we'll share it with everybody, but if, um, you know, if we can kind of
act as a smaller team just to ensure we kind of pull something together and then
we can share it with everybody else, make sure it's uh, it flows well and all
that.
Okay.
So, I think we have a a motion on the
floor before we even get to just to finish off the the accepting of the
report or the submitting of the report. >> Yeah. So, Coordinator Thompson,
» uh, thank you. Um, certainly I can I've I've I've created a bit of a draft um
resolution for the task force to consider. Um,
so the resolution would state that the task force receives the report final
draft, task force report final draft.
And uh and this is where that recommendation that resolution will
include the amendments and so that the lake management task force approves the
lake management task force report as amended. So, by adding a brief
characterization for each lake within the executive summary,
by removing the words known cause after zebra muscles under lake management
objective one and inserting a potentially contributing factor in its
place. Under action four, storm water runoff
recommendation 4B, add taller grass heights. And under 4C,
add adopt a highway program.
And feel free to stop me as I'm uh going through these amendments.
Under action five, recommendation 5B, addition of signage
strategy.
Under action 8, recommendation 8C is amended to incorporate a review of uh
VRR restrictions currently in place and a review or consideration of
restrictions for lakes currently without restrictions.
Under action 10, recommendation 10A, indicate the prioritization of Lake
Eugenia for a lake carrying capacity study and indication that the other
three lakes could be considered for same in the future.
Under action 11, recommendation 11A,
remove words posted as and uh recommendation 11B,
change priority to all four lakes
under uh section. >> So actually that's 11 A. So we will for
all other other lakes as well. So >> 11 A as well.
» Yeah. Yeah. So Lake Eugenia for Leban is the priority and then other lakes could
be considered in the future. >> Uh oh and sorry um chair Dubic I had
that under action 10 A
10 A. So yes. So for 10 A. Yes. And also for 11 A and
» for and for 11A as well. >> Okay. 11 A under 11A.
» Yeah. Because 11B is just the water testing results.
Um which is just like Eugenia because nobody else gets the water testing
results. That's for the beach.
» Okay. So for looking at uh the amendments for um 11A, we're going to
remove the words posted as >> and as well for 11A change the priority
to all four lakes. >> Um yes. So we will because we will add
um um so we'll add another sentence under um the the description piece about
um access you know just um reviewing the access points having a
strategy for each of the access points for all lakes.
Because the way 11A reads right now, it's it's very much focused on the Lake
Eugenia public beach and we want to ensure that all access
points are reviewed and have some sort of a strategy.
But >> that's all access points in Lake
Eugenia. So all access points um at all likes.
So for example like you know would we want
um so at Irish like there is an access point like would we want to
you know to have a waste disposal site or
um like like do we want to add anything else?
Sorry, councelor Dubick. I'm a little bit confused. Um,
so specific to the access points under action 11, is it A, B, or C?
» It's A. >> It's A. And uh strategy for access
points for all four lakes. >> Yeah. Okay.
Uh because um the point that we made was um the the new access point on the north
side of Lake Eugenia, staff does have um direction from council to review that
access point and determine what it needs,
you know. Um and and so I would think that it's fair then to ensure that we
look at all access points um and and do the same.
» Okay.
» Thank you. So uh that uh amendment then would read that under action 11
recommendation 11A amend priority for access points to include all four lakes.
Uh under section six, communication plan introduction section to clarify that the
intent of the plan is to create a social media content calendar for use by
municipal communications staff to promote lake management and lake
stewardship within the municipality. >> Fantastic.
Uh under section six, communications plan, spring topic E, septic
reinspection, add use of septic tank risers,
um addition of an overall acronyms list for the report.
And then the final amendment is uh the addition of any formatting amendments
necessary to finalize the document and that the lake management task force
requests that the final report as amended be forwarded to council for cons
consideration. And at this time I have um indicated that that motion was moved
by member Wickens and seconded by member Shelson.
Does that sound okay? Awesome.
» I'm ready for a glass of wine. >> So, the final step with this uh motion
would then just be to vote and then the subsequent motion will consider the
presentation um at the October 7th meeting.
» I'll make that motion.
I think you already did. >> So, Chair Dubick, we'll just need uh the
the task force to vote on the motion. >> Oh, okay. All those in favor? Great.
That is carried unanimously. Thank you very much.
So, so Danielle, when do I need to pass along the report?
Um Drew, you chair Dubic for the October
7th meeting. Um the deadline would be Monday,
September 31st
uh at noon and at that same time um it would need to include the slide deck. Um
but I would suggest um that the request for the uh presentation to occur uh it
should um be submitted as soon as possible and that can just be done
through the website. >> Okay. So um so who does that? So so I
can just go and do it. >> Absolutely. Yeah. Great. Okay.
So so I can do that. Okay. Lovely.
All right. Is that it >> in terms of the task force report? Yes.
There's the subsequent motion for the presentation and I can uh I can assist
the task force with that motion if necessary.
um that the lake management task force agrees
that a request for a 20-minute presentation will be submitted by chair
Dubick for the October 7th council meeting and that a summary slideshow of
key report points will be created by member Schelson, member Le Moine, and
Chair Dubick to accompany the presentation to council.
» Perfect. >> I'll move that.
» Thank you, Dan. Seconder. Thank you, Morris.
Conversation. So, I see now we'll take that to a vote.
Those in favor and that is carried unanimously. Thank
you.
» We have one minute left in the meeting. >> What are we going to do with that?
» Oh my goodness. [laughter] Okay. Are we done then, Danielle, for
our motions? Fabulous. Okay, so uh next meeting. So
we have no further meetings scheduled. Um and then just adjournment.
So So folks um this is our last meeting. So I would just like to extend my
gratitude um you know having the opportunity to to
work with all of you. I think this has been a an effective um task force. You
know these task forces are never easy. Um you know they always feel a little
sometimes awkward um you know given the fact that you know we we always have
these sort of these municipal constraints of how task force do run. Um
but I I I do want to thank everybody for all their input um sharing your talents
and you know and just always being flexible to to make things work. Um so
so thank you so much. Um any so opening the floor for any final comments at our
final meeting.
Other than you did an excellent job leading this task force, I have nothing
to say. >> Okay. Thank you. [laughter]
» Thank you guys. It's been wonderful working with you with all of you.
» Awesome. Okay. So then um we are just here to adjourn then so that the lake
management task force adjourn at 7:01. Sorry, we're over time until the next
meeting or until the call of the chair. Okay. Um, so we'll need a mover and a
seconder. >> I'll move. [snorts]
» Thank you, Richard. Ken has second and we'll take that to a vote. Those in
favor? All right. Yay. Thank you so much.