[0:07] You are alive.
[0:08] Thank you so much. Appreciate
[0:09] you. Hello. Town of Groveland.
[0:14] It is the recreation committee
[0:15] at 7:04 p.m. on Thursday,
[0:18] September 3rd. Um, I'll make a
[0:21] motion to open the meeting.
[0:23] A second. Second.
[0:24] All in favor? Aye aye aye. Um,
[0:28] motion is open. Um, I do know
[0:31] that Emilio is going to be out
[0:33] today. Um, I'm not sure if
[0:35] Kate's on her way or not. I
[0:36] sent an email over so that, um,
[0:39] if she if she is on her way,
[0:41] then she knows that we're.
[0:44] We'll wait a little bit, but
[0:45] we're gonna at least get
[0:48] started. Get started anyway,
[0:50] uh, so first thing on the
[0:53] agenda is, uh, the trail
[0:57] enhancement 2025 Trail
[0:58] Enhancement Project status. And
[1:01] I have a quick update on that.
[1:03] Um, I did talk with Mike
[1:05] Dempsey. Uh, the, the bridge
[1:09] extension, um, where it's going
[1:11] to connect the rail trail to
[1:13] the Center Street Greenway. Um,
[1:15] I believe all the permitting
[1:17] and the the permits that were
[1:19] required have been granted and
[1:20] given. And what he tells me is
[1:23] he believes that they will do
[1:24] work on this at the end of the
[1:25] month. And we think that it
[1:28] should be a pretty short
[1:29] project in the in the terms of
[1:31] the actual building. So like so
[1:33] many things, a lot of a lot of
[1:35] the red tape has to get handled
[1:36] first. And then when it comes
[1:37] time to actually, you know,
[1:39] putting, um, putting nail in
[1:42] board, uh, it doesn't take as
[1:43] long as people might think. So.
[1:45] Uh, I'm optimistic that the
[1:48] bridge will be open this time
[1:49] sometime this year, and
[1:51] certainly, uh, you know,
[1:53] certainly before next spring.
[1:54] But I do believe it may be as
[1:56] soon as the end of this month,
[1:57] uh, that we'll have the
[1:59] connection live and available
[2:00] there, which is going to be
[2:01] awesome because, uh, the
[2:04] traffic on the rail trail is
[2:05] very good. And every time I
[2:07] pass by, um, I think the
[2:10] parking lot that they've added
[2:12] or the parking spaces they've
[2:13] added off Main Street, um, have
[2:15] been really have been well
[2:16] utilized. There's some, but
[2:19] less traffic, um, parked cars
[2:21] on the side of the road. So
[2:22] that was a goal that was um,
[2:24] mentioned by the select board
[2:25] and doing that as well. So, uh,
[2:27] I say kudos to them for
[2:29] providing some more access.
[2:31] Just a quick question on that.
[2:32] Is there going to be signage on
[2:34] either the rail trail or the
[2:36] Greenway saying access to.
[2:39] Well, so that's a great
[2:40] question. Um, one of the six
[2:43] kiosks that we're going to be
[2:44] putting on is going to be put
[2:45] right there. So you'll see that
[2:47] there is a, that it's it's a
[2:49] separate trail and that, you
[2:51] know, as you go off the bridge,
[2:52] you'll know that you're in a
[2:53] different place. Okay. Um, so
[2:55] that is, that is absolutely
[2:56] planned. Uh, I don't know when
[2:58] it's when the, when the kiosks
[3:00] are going to be installed quite
[3:01] yet, but I do believe most of
[3:04] them have been made or made.
[3:07] Um, you know, mostly made or
[3:10] are very close to being
[3:11] completed. Uh, and so, um,
[3:13] citing we've, we've kind of pre
[3:15] sighted one kiosk per trail and
[3:18] we have six trails. So um,
[3:21] that's generally what it is.
[3:23] There might be a little bit of
[3:24] wiggle because we've already
[3:25] got some signage, good signage
[3:26] on the rail trail. Um, but the
[3:29] uh, the Center Street Greenway
[3:30] is getting a, getting a kiosk
[3:32] there. Um, additionally, I
[3:37] talked to to Mike about the
[3:38] status of the maps, and, uh,
[3:40] where we have we've placed all
[3:43] we've now placed all the, the,
[3:45] uh, stakes where the new, uh,
[3:48] signposts are going to be. Uh,
[3:50] and one of the things that we
[3:51] did was, as we placed them, we
[3:53] geo located them. So the data
[3:56] is going to be going to be put
[3:58] to the maps and sent to the to
[4:00] the fellow in West Newbury,
[4:01] who's helping us put together
[4:02] these maps. Uh, he's doing it
[4:04] gratis. So we're really
[4:05] grateful for that. Um, and so
[4:08] my hope is that we will be able
[4:09] to have some maps, one or more
[4:13] of the maps completed by, say,
[4:15] Pumpkin Fest, which I'm not
[4:17] sure offhand what the date of
[4:19] that is, but I, I'm sure it
[4:20] will be sometime in October.
[4:22] Um, and, uh, we will, uh, we'll
[4:25] follow up on that, but I think
[4:27] that's something we'll be able
[4:28] to provide at that time. Um.
[4:31] Tober 22nd.
[4:32] It's October 22nd. One of the
[4:40] one of the issues that we'll
[4:41] talk about in a little bit is
[4:43] website marketing outreach.
[4:45] And, uh, and so I will
[4:47] definitely will raise this
[4:48] there about sometimes the
[4:51] website doesn't match up with
[4:52] what the information is or has
[4:54] or has outdated information. So
[4:56] that's a situation where we
[4:57] definitely need to make sure
[4:59] that the that pumpkin fest is
[5:00] put on on the website and get
[5:03] given some more. Um, some more
[5:07] notice. Um, anything else about
[5:11] the trail enhancement project
[5:13] at this moment?
[5:14] Not yet. At this point where
[5:16] you need a group to help with
[5:18] anything?
[5:18] Yeah, I mean, right. And we've
[5:20] talked about that a bit. Uh,
[5:21] we're we're not quite there
[5:23] yet, but I know Emilio has, uh,
[5:26] has volunteered his, his trench
[5:28] or his digger and, uh, you
[5:29] know, so that is.
[5:30] Something.
[5:31] That will be a huge help.
[5:33] I mean, right.
[5:34] I mean, uh, grabbing some
[5:36] sturdy folk to help, you know,
[5:38] manually do some of that is
[5:40] possible, especially in some of
[5:41] the more remote spots. But to
[5:43] the extent we can use machinery
[5:45] to get this done in a more
[5:46] efficient way, I'm all about
[5:48] it. And I think I think there
[5:49] will be a time and place, you
[5:51] know, to get that square. Uh,
[5:52] what? I will say one thing I
[5:54] will say to add to the
[5:55] enhancement project is, as you
[5:59] guys know, and maybe not not
[6:00] the folks out, uh, in town know
[6:03] we've been looking back at some
[6:04] of the old meetings because
[6:06] there there are some meetings
[6:07] from back in 24 and 25 that
[6:09] don't have meeting minutes. And
[6:10] we're trying to make sure that
[6:11] our, um, our record is a little
[6:13] more complete, even before, you
[6:15] know, some or most of us were
[6:17] even on the committee. Um, so
[6:19] one of the things I did was I
[6:20] looked back most recently at a
[6:22] meeting in 2024 and June 2024,
[6:25] and one of the nice things is,
[6:28] uh, they were talking about
[6:29] some needs in town, and, gee,
[6:31] wouldn't it be nice if we had,
[6:33] uh, a trail enhancement project
[6:35] to handle some of these things?
[6:36] And so it's nice to see that
[6:37] there's carryover from want
[6:40] discussion, action, plan
[6:42] action. And so, you know, I'm
[6:45] grateful that, um, that
[6:46] everybody who has been involved
[6:48] has been so helpful. And it
[6:50] does look like we're getting
[6:51] we're making some traction
[6:52] here.
[6:52] That's awesome.
[6:55] Where the bench is the last of
[6:56] the materials that needed to be
[6:58] ordered.
[6:58] Bench the last things that need
[7:00] to be ordered are the benches,
[7:02] the dog waste and waste
[7:05] baskets. Um, and also some of
[7:09] the individual markers for the
[7:11] signs. Um, so, you know, the
[7:14] the trails have names. So, you
[7:16] know, you need a sign that
[7:18] says, you know, this is the
[7:19] Bald Eagle Trail or this is the
[7:21] this trail, you know, so, um.
[7:23] Especially in town forest,
[7:24] there's like ten trail names.
[7:26] Yeah, 100%. So it's, uh, it's
[7:28] definitely that, uh, we did we
[7:30] did finish all the all the
[7:32] markings, though. I think it
[7:33] was the last meeting. We hadn't
[7:34] quite finished all of them. Um,
[7:36] but, uh, but. Yeah. So those
[7:38] are, those are the those are
[7:40] what's kind of left as far as
[7:41] materials. I think we have to
[7:43] buy some concrete to put, you
[7:44] know, to put these, these
[7:46] benches and footings in and
[7:47] whatnot. And, uh, you know,
[7:49] some of that stuff. But we're
[7:51] getting we're getting over the
[7:52] hump and it's, it's exciting as
[7:54] far as where things are. Um, I
[7:57] don't have I don't have a
[7:58] substantive update on the
[7:59] recreation, uh, lighting
[8:01] project at this point. I know
[8:03] we have a CPC meeting coming up
[8:05] in a little bit. I know, um,
[8:07] Adam Haywood and Rebecca
[8:08] Oldham, who are also working
[8:10] with me on that project, are,
[8:12] uh, we'll have a lot more
[8:13] information at that point. Uh,
[8:15] what I, what I can what I can
[8:17] say is that it's a phased
[8:18] project, so it's not something
[8:19] that's going to be completed
[8:21] this year. This is more of a
[8:22] long term deal. And the idea
[8:24] was to complete the the things
[8:26] that could be things that could
[8:28] be completed without, um, you
[8:31] know, without waste. Meaning if
[8:33] you did these, these series of
[8:35] things, it wouldn't be wasted
[8:37] money because you could just
[8:38] add on the next sort of module
[8:40] of stuff, you know, at the next
[8:42] interval. So, um, I'm excited
[8:45] to see, you know, some of this
[8:46] get done. I know it's like
[8:47] design and maybe some of the
[8:49] electric work is the first, the
[8:51] first year of it. So, um, when
[8:53] I hear more, I will update you
[8:55] guys more, um, particularly on
[8:57] that. Um, future CPC projects,
[9:02] uh, paved accessible walking
[9:05] path at Pines. Michelle.
[9:08] Yeah, no major updates on that.
[9:09] The proposal has been
[9:11] submitted. And Annie did
[9:13] confirm that she's going to put
[9:14] it in front of the CPC, so
[9:17] nothing more from that right
[9:18] now.
[9:18] So are you planning to go to
[9:19] the next meeting and, uh, kind
[9:21] of present on that and see
[9:22] what's going on?
[9:23] Um, I can I.
[9:25] I think that would be a great
[9:27] idea. As a member of the CPC.
[9:28] Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, I'm
[9:30] happy to to kind of pitch my
[9:32] idea for sure.
[9:33] Do you have do you have, um, do
[9:36] you have sort of in your brain
[9:38] an idea of what it might look
[9:39] like?
[9:39] I do, yeah, yeah. For the most
[9:42] part, I kind of feel like using
[9:45] the Riverside Park in Haverhill
[9:47] is kind of the inspiration. Um,
[9:50] I'm kind of going off of that
[9:51] and all of those enhancements
[9:53] that they did recently with
[9:54] kind of extending the path out,
[9:56] and there's some nice greenery
[9:57] space and some planter boxes
[10:01] that are maintained by, I
[10:02] believe, the Haverhill Garden
[10:03] Club. Um, so I kind of
[10:05] envisioned something like that
[10:06] where you just have a very
[10:09] flat, walkable path around a
[10:11] nice nature filled area with
[10:14] some learning opportunities for
[10:16] the community.
[10:16] That is not that is not
[10:18] immediately adjacent to a busy
[10:20] parking lot.
[10:20] That is not immediately
[10:22] adjacent to a very busy
[10:23] pipeline. Exactly. Got it. Yes.
[10:26] Well that's cool. I, I, I mean,
[10:28] you know, you don't have to,
[10:30] but, uh, certainly if you're
[10:32] interested in participating in
[10:34] the CPC meeting, I would reach
[10:35] out to Adam Haywood and just
[10:37] say, hey, listen, you know, I'd
[10:38] like to come in and present,
[10:39] and he would be thrilled. Um,
[10:41] okay. And so, yeah, that's.
[10:43] That sounds awesome.
[10:44] With that next, the next
[10:45] meeting, the needs hearing,
[10:46] would that be the most
[10:46] appropriate?
[10:47] I mean.
[10:48] It seems like the next meeting.
[10:49] Honestly. Right. Honestly, it
[10:50] can be any time. Um, you know,
[10:52] the there's there's always time
[10:54] to to vet ideas, and this is a
[10:56] good idea, you know, and this
[10:57] is an idea that, you know, it
[10:59] doesn't seem as if it would be,
[11:01] you know, extremely expensive.
[11:03] And if there was a, you know, a
[11:05] limitation on finances, you
[11:06] could you could, you know,
[11:08] scope the project based on the
[11:10] finances you have, you know, so
[11:11] it definitely could be
[11:12] something that, you know, could
[11:15] either be phased or, you know,
[11:17] like, you know, could be the
[11:18] whole thing in one fell swoop.
[11:20] Also, um, you know, so that
[11:22] would be, you know, that's
[11:24] that's interesting. And I think
[11:25] it's, I think it's a great idea.
[11:28] Uh, remind me, when's the next
[11:29] CPC meeting?
[11:30] Uh, 21st, I believe.
[11:32] 21st.
[11:33] I can confirm.
[11:37] Yes, you would know.
[11:40] I don't have it listed at.
[11:41] The 21st.
[11:41] So you maybe you know.
[11:42] About it, I.
[11:43] Put it, you might know. You
[11:44] might know.
[11:44] It better than I get, like a
[11:45] nerve. Um, I have it on my
[11:48] calendar.
[11:48] Oh, I do, I do. It is 630 on
[11:50] the 21st, actually. Absolutely.
[11:51] I do have it. So 630 on the
[11:53] 21st. Um, I, I'm happy. Um, I'm
[11:57] happy to let them know that you
[11:59] would like to come. If you
[12:00] would like to go. Yeah.
[12:02] Let me just triple check that
[12:03] and then I'll let you know.
[12:04] For sure. For sure. Um, next.
[12:08] Any other questions on that at
[12:09] this point? No. Okay. Shanahan
[12:12] field, open up the few
[12:13] accessibility up to the river.
[12:14] All right I do have I for both
[12:16] of the ones I was looking at I
[12:18] have had some discussions.
[12:20] Awesome. So I have a little bit
[12:22] of information. So it was
[12:23] mentioned at one point I think
[12:25] when, um, Mike Dempsey joined
[12:27] our meeting this over the
[12:29] summer, he had mentioned, oh, I
[12:30] think somebody did a project
[12:32] around that once or submitted
[12:33] it. And I did find that there
[12:35] was a project in, um, approved
[12:38] in fiscal year 2008. It was
[12:41] both looking at something with
[12:42] the Shanahan field like the
[12:44] like, Riverside area. And I
[12:46] think at the time, expanding
[12:48] the soccer fields. I think
[12:49] there was fewer soccer fields
[12:51] space or they only had the one
[12:53] field or something. Um, so
[12:54] there was a project, um, in
[12:57] which 12,000 of it was, um,
[13:00] allocated for landscaping to
[13:02] create a waterfront park, and I
[13:04] did I reached out to Annie and
[13:07] then she she could she found a
[13:09] couple things, but she
[13:10] recommended I do a, um, a, um,
[13:13] like a public records request
[13:14] to the town clerk. So I did,
[13:16] and I think it was. She said
[13:18] Mike Dempsey was the one who
[13:19] found this information, and he
[13:22] said his recollection was at
[13:23] the time that Park Piece did
[13:25] not move forward because of
[13:26] neighbor objections. So to me,
[13:31] I mean, that is that's
[13:33] something and it has to be part
[13:34] of the discussion. But, I, um,
[13:37] if if I found out that it was,
[13:39] oh, there are conservation or
[13:41] some kind of prohibitive, you
[13:43] can't touch that land reasons,
[13:44] then I wouldn't want to move
[13:45] forward.
[13:46] Well, you would think Mike as
[13:47] head of conservation, would
[13:48] have that in his brain.
[13:49] Exactly. And when we talked to
[13:51] him, he kind of he seemed open
[13:52] to the idea. And I know, like,
[13:54] looking up the rules. There is
[13:56] a 200 foot, um, buffer zone
[13:59] along the Merrimack River,
[14:00] right?
[14:00] Absolutely. Which isn't an
[14:02] absolute prohibition.
[14:03] Right. Just to go through
[14:05] conservation, we obviously need
[14:06] to be very careful with that.
[14:07] And as we've said in previous
[14:08] meetings, we're not looking at
[14:09] clear cut or anything like
[14:10] that. We want to preserve some
[14:13] of the nature, but is right now
[14:15] it's overgrown. I mean, you're
[14:16] down there. It's it's overgrown
[14:18] with this, um, bittersweet all
[14:20] through. There's all sorts of
[14:21] weeds. There's some dead ash
[14:23] trees and all that. So I think
[14:24] even outside of making a park,
[14:26] maintaining that would be in
[14:27] the best interest of the town.
[14:29] Honestly. Right. Um.
[14:30] So one one tricky caveat to
[14:33] that. That's a, that's a red
[14:35] flag word. Maintain. Right. So
[14:37] with CPC funds, they can't be
[14:39] used for maintenance. But um.
[14:42] create a park. Right? I mean,
[14:44] there needs to be in the plan
[14:46] like a function, you know, some
[14:47] sort of, uh, thought about how
[14:49] maintenance would happen and
[14:50] who would do it, and, you know,
[14:51] that sort of stuff. So there's
[14:52] definitely that piece of it.
[14:54] But yeah, it's it's a situation
[14:56] where, especially with the
[14:57] parking lot there now that can
[14:59] house a lot of a lot of people,
[15:01] you know, to have a place where
[15:03] people can congregate in
[15:04] multiple ways. You know, it
[15:05] sounds like, you know, I mean,
[15:08] I would love to see a, you
[15:10] know, a stage there or
[15:11] something like that looking out
[15:13] on the water, watching the
[15:14] boats go by. Like, I think
[15:16] people would love it, but but
[15:18] uh, but yeah, that sounds
[15:19] awesome.
[15:19] So yeah. And like some of the
[15:20] terminology I thought was
[15:21] really nice because I was
[15:22] talking about restoring it back
[15:24] to its natural habitat for
[15:25] wildlife and a naturalized park
[15:27] for passive recreation and a
[15:28] place for scenic river views. I
[15:30] think that matches very much
[15:31] with what we've we're talking
[15:33] about. And this is from 2008.
[15:35] So, you know, this is 18 years
[15:37] ago. They were talking about
[15:38] very similar things. Sure. And
[15:39] so I'd love to. So my plan is
[15:42] to fill out the eligibility
[15:43] application and, and present it
[15:45] at that CPC meeting.
[15:47] The one that's coming right
[15:48] out. Yes. Outstanding. Yeah.
[15:50] Um, the the other thing that I
[15:52] would recommend is take a look
[15:54] at the current master plan and
[15:56] see how it sort of how the your
[15:58] idea sort of jives with it,
[15:59] because the 2008 master
[16:01] planner, you know, like those
[16:03] sorts of things. Um, are, you
[16:05] know, might be outdated
[16:06] relative to what you'd find in
[16:08] the new in the new plan. Um, I
[16:10] would I would be hesitant to
[16:13] say that it should only be used
[16:14] for passive, okay recreation in
[16:17] the sense that, I mean, like,
[16:18] if you had a stage there, you
[16:20] would have plays there. And
[16:21] that's not passive recreation,
[16:22] you know. But but but I mean,
[16:24] uh, certainly a mix of, of
[16:26] active and passive like, you
[16:28] know, um, in like, just like
[16:30] you're saying you're not we're
[16:31] not looking at clear cut it.
[16:32] And you know, you know, put and
[16:34] pave it, pave it away. It's
[16:36] it's, uh, how can we have
[16:38] another place in town where
[16:40] we've created this great access
[16:42] where people can use it for a
[16:43] whole slew of good reasons?
[16:45] Yeah. Like I think I've said in
[16:46] these meetings for, like, the
[16:47] town only owns so much
[16:48] riverfront land. Right? So it's
[16:50] a shame not to take advantage.
[16:51] Of it 100%.
[16:52] I think for the neighbors, I
[16:53] mean, I think we can have that
[16:55] discussion as it moves forward,
[16:56] but I know the town owns behind
[16:57] a few of the houses and I
[16:58] wouldn't want to propose. Oh,
[17:00] yeah. We're going all behind
[17:01] your house along the river. I
[17:02] would like it to be in line
[17:03] with the soccer field. So it
[17:05] kind of maintains that
[17:06] separation leaves that buffer
[17:08] zone for those abutments.
[17:09] And it's 20 years hence. So the
[17:11] neighbors might be different
[17:12] neighbors. Very true. So so I
[17:14] mean, you know, it's a at a
[17:16] minimum exploring it is is
[17:18] super appropriate. And yeah
[17:20] okay. So maybe it doesn't get
[17:21] done as exactly how you might
[17:23] want to do. Or maybe there's
[17:25] some barriers. But you know,
[17:26] it's certainly the kind of
[17:27] thing that is worth the
[17:28] discussion. We're talking
[17:29] about. Worth seeing what can be
[17:32] done. And even if you know, it
[17:33] can't be full bore, exactly
[17:35] what you know, you or we or you
[17:37] know, any subset of people
[17:38] might want something can be to
[17:40] do something. You know, I would
[17:42] be I'd be shocked if we
[17:43] couldn't. We couldn't have
[17:43] something to improve that
[17:45] really great space. Um, I mean,
[17:48] you know, already already
[17:50] having the parking there made
[17:51] it easy for, like, the
[17:52] fireworks, you know, is a
[17:54] really good. And it's looking
[17:55] to be an annual thing. Um, so,
[17:58] you know, it's it's definitely
[17:59] a spot. And I can say for a
[18:01] certainty that the master, the
[18:03] current master plan, talks in
[18:05] great detail about trying to
[18:06] maximize the value of the
[18:07] things that we have already.
[18:09] And Shanahan field is is a gem
[18:11] in our town. So I think that's
[18:13] great. You said you you looked
[18:15] on two both things.
[18:16] Yes. Both things. So the um,
[18:18] the shade structures at Bagnell
[18:20] I um similarly I talked to
[18:23] Annie about that, um, because I
[18:26] know they had just done the,
[18:27] um, the shade structures at the
[18:30] Pines. Um, and she did, um,
[18:33] because one of the questions I
[18:35] had was about maintenance, and
[18:36] she said the ones they bought
[18:37] for the pines do require the
[18:39] fabric to be removed at the end
[18:40] of the fall and then put back
[18:41] up in the spring, which makes
[18:43] sense. And she sent me a link
[18:44] to some of the, like, the
[18:46] company that they had used,
[18:47] which obviously has gone to bed
[18:48] and all that, but at least
[18:49] gives us a guideline and
[18:51] there's a bunch of nice, um,
[18:53] examples of how it works with
[18:55] the it can work with
[18:56] playgrounds and such. And I was
[18:58] trying to find websites that
[18:59] showed you, like the directions
[19:01] of the sun and different times
[19:02] of the day to try to get a
[19:03] feeling for that. So similarly,
[19:05] I think there's still more
[19:06] research to be done there, but
[19:06] I'd like to put the application
[19:08] the the eligibility application
[19:10] in and talk to that at the
[19:13] upcoming CPC meeting to start
[19:14] moving that forward.
[19:15] Yeah. These are these are
[19:16] great. These are great plans.
[19:17] All three of them. And you
[19:19] know, I think they're going to
[19:20] you're going to be met with a
[19:22] lot of support at the CPC
[19:23] level. And you know what I can
[19:25] say. You know putting on my
[19:26] CPC, um, member hat for just a
[19:30] second is that, you know, one
[19:32] of the things that we just
[19:34] desperately crave is for the
[19:35] proponents to be active about
[19:37] their projects and for people
[19:38] to come in and say, hey, you
[19:40] know, I've done this work.
[19:43] Look, what should I do next?
[19:45] How can I make this better?
[19:46] What are some, you know, do you
[19:47] see some problems with it? How
[19:49] can we work? You know, how can
[19:50] we collaborate to, you know,
[19:51] surmount them and have a
[19:53] project that is complete ready,
[19:55] and, you know, very, um, very,
[19:59] you know, a layup to, to make
[20:01] it a town meeting, you know,
[20:02] is, is, you know, how I sort of
[20:04] think about it and I think my,
[20:06] you know, the other members
[20:07] there would, would say
[20:08] similarly. So, uh, great job
[20:10] taking the initiative. That's
[20:11] awesome. And uh, when Emilio
[20:14] comes back from the next
[20:15] meeting, we'll talk about bike
[20:16] lanes and all that good stuff,
[20:18] and that'll be awesome as well.
[20:19] Yeah, I'm hearing early good
[20:21] reviews about the basketball
[20:22] court that was installed about
[20:23] now as the it was just done
[20:26] this summer. Yeah, as a
[20:27] project. We approved the town
[20:29] meeting this spring, and the
[20:30] kids are all excited about it.
[20:31] It's nice, fenced in, and they
[20:33] were already out there playing
[20:33] basketball on the second day of
[20:35] school, so.
[20:35] I haven't seen it. I mean, I've
[20:37] heard on there.
[20:38] I haven't been.
[20:38] Back there. That's so cool.
[20:40] I want to go back there and do
[20:41] some measuring, but I obviously
[20:42] can't. I'm not gonna do that
[20:43] during school hours. Be a
[20:44] frequent measuring tape. Okay.
[20:46] Well, good news. Uh, this
[20:48] weekend is Labor Day weekend.
[20:49] There's plenty of time to go
[20:51] sweet. And right over there.
[20:52] There won't be any.
[20:53] My wife works at the school, so
[20:54] she's going to take some
[20:55] pictures of the shade for me at
[20:56] different times during recess.
[20:58] Yeah.
[20:58] That's awesome. They said
[20:59] recesses go from 1030 to 130 so
[21:02] he can focus. Obviously pick of
[21:03] the day, try to do some math on
[21:07] angles and maximize.
[21:08] But what about the different
[21:09] times of year two?
[21:10] Well that's the thing. Yeah.
[21:11] Yeah, right.
[21:12] The sun is in a different. spot
[21:14] than it.
[21:14] Is true. And it is.
[21:15] Like October.
[21:16] And it's like they said like
[21:17] the kids say, like starting
[21:19] those first sunny days in
[21:20] April, they're all underneath
[21:21] the slide because that's the
[21:22] only shady.
[21:23] Spot, the playground.
[21:24] So it's it's I think, um, I
[21:28] think that'll be an interesting
[21:29] discussion. Like, do we want to
[21:31] cover playground equipment or
[21:32] just provide a space for kids
[21:33] to get out of the sun? Right. I
[21:35] think those are two good
[21:36] approaches. So it may be more
[21:39] cost effective to kind of do
[21:41] that ladder where it's a place
[21:42] to get out of the sun. Um, but
[21:44] also there's an argument to
[21:45] protect the equipment from UV.
[21:48] rays and sun. damage to
[21:49] maximize the lifespan of that
[21:51] as well. So.
[21:52] I mean, I've definitely if
[21:53] there's some equipment that
[21:54] seems like it gets hotter than
[21:55] others.
[21:56] No.
[21:56] You're good. You know, maybe
[21:57] focusing on that. Um, whereas
[21:59] like, like if the slide gets a
[22:01] little bit hotter compared to
[22:03] the, there's like a little like
[22:04] climbing structure, right. Then
[22:06] maybe.
[22:06] It's like.
[22:07] Yeah, we leave.
[22:08] The climbing to slide.
[22:09] It's hot in.
[22:09] The sun. Yeah.
[22:10] Yeah. So maybe that there's an
[22:11] opportunity there to kind of
[22:12] focus on the, the hotter items.
[22:16] Yeah. I think that that makes
[22:17] sense and stuff. Maybe the, the
[22:19] plastic things that do break
[22:20] down early like sooner and
[22:22] yeah. You know trying to
[22:23] maximize though that also is a
[22:24] CPA project a few years ago. So
[22:27] maximizing our investment in
[22:29] the playground equipment.
[22:30] I'm also trying.
[22:31] To picture I haven't been back
[22:33] there in a little bit, and I
[22:35] know it's mostly cement. Right.
[22:37] And I know that there are some
[22:38] trees lining the in between the
[22:42] field and the cement, but is
[22:44] there any other opportunities
[22:45] to plant natural shade?
[22:47] That's a good question. Um.
[22:50] I mean, we can't do it,
[22:51] obviously right in the middle
[22:51] of the park. Right, right.
[22:52] Because it's the same cement.
[22:54] They put down that like that
[22:55] spongy stuff. Um, yeah. Yeah.
[22:57] So that's the, the other, the
[22:59] thing we can look at too, and
[23:00] we can maybe talk to the town
[23:02] as they work on plans, the, um,
[23:05] the back section closer to the
[23:07] trees was the preschool play
[23:09] area. And the preschool is all
[23:10] just consolidated to Merrimack.
[23:12] So there's no preschool at
[23:13] Bagnell anymore. So that space
[23:15] may be possibly repurposed into
[23:17] shade structures or natural
[23:19] shade.
[23:20] Or more playgrounds.
[23:20] Or more playground. Yeah. They
[23:22] have lamented that there's only
[23:23] four total swings and Reese's
[23:25] only 20 minutes, so the line
[23:26] doesn't get through. Yeah, so
[23:28] that could be I've sort of
[23:31] thought of that as a and I'm
[23:32] like, I don't think we want to
[23:33] muddy and try to make this too
[23:35] big a project. Right. Um, but
[23:36] that kind of a bolt on to like,
[23:38] additional playground equipment
[23:39] may be interesting at some
[23:40] point in the future.
[23:41] As well. And yeah, I mean, and
[23:43] remember, it's not this is the
[23:45] only time we'll ever have a
[23:46] chance to do things. I mean,
[23:48] you know, it's it's nice to see
[23:50] when you look back at some of
[23:51] the old minutes and some of the
[23:53] old videos, you'll see. And we
[23:54] were just talking about this a
[23:55] bit is you'll see some of the
[23:57] things that were that were
[23:58] ideas back just a couple of
[24:00] years ago. They're now in
[24:01] place. And, you know, the, the,
[24:04] the process from idea to
[24:07] approved to funded to complete
[24:10] it, you know, and so it's, it's
[24:12] great to have these sort of
[24:14] brainstorm sessions about what,
[24:16] what might be good for, you
[24:18] know, fiscal year 2028. Yeah.
[24:20] And so, um, you know, bookmark
[24:22] it in your brain and, you know,
[24:24] work on the thing that you've
[24:25] got there and, and maybe, maybe
[24:27] you can expand scope, right, if
[24:28] it makes sense. And given
[24:30] what's going on, uh, one
[24:32] question I have that's not
[24:33] necessarily exactly relevant to
[24:35] it, but, uh, is, you know, in a
[24:37] tangent is did you have you
[24:40] seen the have you seen the, uh,
[24:42] the, the, um, the garden. How's
[24:45] the garden looking?
[24:46] I heard the garden looks really
[24:47] good. Yeah. Um, but I haven't
[24:49] personally seen.
[24:50] It yet. Gotcha. Yeah, yeah. I
[24:51] want to take a, you know, I
[24:53] need to take a peek over there
[24:54] and check it out, but, um, but
[24:55] that was a project that, you
[24:57] know, you had this this land
[24:58] that was really fallow, and,
[25:00] um, you know, um, someone from
[25:02] town stepped up and said, hey,
[25:03] I want to, you know, kind of, I
[25:05] want to grab this. And then,
[25:06] you know, just two years later,
[25:07] I know, I know that my daughter
[25:09] has had, you know, field trips
[25:11] to the garden and had a great
[25:13] time. You know.
[25:13] He's been really planted things
[25:15] and had, like, tastings. Yeah,
[25:17] it was fun. So looking this up,
[25:19] I was on like the, the my map,
[25:21] the Groveland like the mapping.
[25:22] And they do have they have
[25:24] historical overhead stuff. And
[25:26] so I like I was curious because
[25:28] I had the old playground from
[25:29] before, but you could see when
[25:31] they had the garden before and
[25:32] then it went fallow and then
[25:33] came back with the, with the
[25:35] overhead. It was kind of neat
[25:36] to see. It's like, oh, they
[25:37] built the new playground. But
[25:39] then the garden wasn't good.
[25:40] But then the garden came back.
[25:41] So it was neat to see over. I
[25:43] think it was nine years worth
[25:44] of overhead, uh, photography
[25:46] that to see the, the garden
[25:48] coming back. And yeah, I know
[25:50] my kids really enjoy that too.
[25:51] And I don't think that the
[25:53] garden as a, as an activity is
[25:56] dead as far as like complete. I
[25:58] think there's I think there's
[25:59] definitely some room that they
[26:01] can expand on it. And it's been
[26:02] such a positive thing. So
[26:04] that's, you know, thinking
[26:05] about potential future
[26:06] projects. That's something that
[26:07] I definitely.
[26:07] Want to do. They don't want
[26:08] shade in the garden. It's good.
[26:11] Except for the plants that want
[26:12] shade. Right. You know, so.
[26:13] I mean, yeah.
[26:14] Talk to the.
[26:15] Garden planter under the new
[26:16] shade structure for, uh, you
[26:18] know, some lettuces that don't
[26:19] get scorched.
[26:22] Um, so Kate's with us now.
[26:24] Fantastic. So that's awesome.
[26:26] Um, and it is. It's good
[26:30] because there was something I
[26:30] wanted to talk to you about
[26:31] coming up that we haven't
[26:32] reached yet. Okay. Um, but any
[26:34] other questions about the
[26:36] future CPC projects that we're
[26:38] talking about right now?
[26:39] Nope.
[26:41] All right. Open space and
[26:43] recreation. Uh, we still are.
[26:45] We? You know, we're still not
[26:47] locked in on what's CP funds
[26:49] and what's not as far as the as
[26:50] far as that, um, and we're not
[26:54] really ripe for a work for a
[26:56] trail work day for purposes of,
[27:00] uh, moving forward, the
[27:01] enhancement, the trail
[27:02] enhancement project. However, I
[27:04] do think I do think, um, you
[27:06] know, Mike and I were out on I
[27:08] think it was Meadow Pond, uh,
[27:11] doing some work, and, uh, there
[27:13] was there were some spots that
[27:14] really could use some help. So
[27:15] I think, uh, there were a
[27:17] couple of fields, a couple of
[27:19] the trails that, you know,
[27:20] could really use some tender
[27:22] loving care, just as in a
[27:23] cleanup way. So I will check
[27:26] into those before the next
[27:27] meeting. Particularly, I'm
[27:28] thinking about Meadow Pond and
[27:31] Town Forest.
[27:33] Like branches. Yeah.
[27:35] Like trees, like trees fallen,
[27:37] you know, like, uh, paths. Not
[27:40] not entirely clear. Things like
[27:41] that. Ultimately, when we get
[27:43] when we have mapping and new
[27:45] signposts and all that stuff,
[27:46] it'll be clearer even when
[27:47] there's brush and even when
[27:49] there's, you know, when there's
[27:50] some overgrowth. But, um,
[27:53] especially now where we're kind
[27:54] of in the, you know, in the
[27:55] middle a little bit, um, it's
[27:57] sometimes it can use a little.
[27:59] We can, you can use some tender
[28:00] loving care and some chainsaws.
[28:02] Yeah.
[28:03] I don't have a tiny battery
[28:04] when it's like this big that
[28:05] bring camping with us.
[28:06] Yeah. Exactly. So. And and
[28:09] we'll get Amelia. We'll get
[28:10] Amelia to come back and bring
[28:11] us heavy equipment. But, uh.
[28:14] But that's TBD. Uh, I'll talk
[28:17] to Mike. About what? What might
[28:18] work, and then we'll see if we
[28:20] can get something in something.
[28:22] Either either this year or
[28:23] first year. First thing when
[28:24] the when it's nice after
[28:26] winter. Uh, field use fees. I
[28:29] think this is an ongoing
[28:30] discussion. Uh, the select
[28:32] boards put thrown their hat
[28:33] into that as well. And so I
[28:35] think there are um, there are
[28:38] some discussions. So it may be
[28:40] it may be useful at some point
[28:41] for us to, um, either have
[28:44] someone from the Selectboard
[28:45] come and talk with us here or
[28:46] have someone from here go to
[28:47] the Selectboard and sit in a
[28:49] meeting to talk about it. But
[28:50] it's definitely something that
[28:51] is, um, being bandied about as
[28:53] far as you know. I mean, these
[28:55] fields are getting nicer. Um,
[28:57] if if we're using 20 years ago,
[29:00] you know, pricing, then, you
[29:02] know, we're due for an update.
[29:03] And, you know, to the extent
[29:05] that we, you know, rent out
[29:06] this stuff, we should be
[29:07] getting fair value for it and
[29:08] all that. And, um, certainly
[29:11] make sure that we're, um,
[29:13] competitive with everybody
[29:14] around. Also, um, anything on
[29:17] Open Space and Rec?
[29:18] No.
[29:20] Uh.
[29:22] The question of like, which
[29:23] parcels were purchased with CPC
[29:25] funds, where do we know where
[29:27] that information is? Where does
[29:29] it live?
[29:29] Um, that's a good question. Um.
[29:33] Well.
[29:33] I will be meeting with the CPC
[29:35] very soon. Okay. And at the
[29:37] meeting where it seems like
[29:38] most of the recreation
[29:39] committee is going to be there,
[29:40] I can ask that question. So I
[29:42] will ask, uh, Adam Haywood, who
[29:44] is the chair of that committee.
[29:47] When is, uh.
[29:48] That meeting is.
[29:50] The 24th.
[29:51] The 21st at 6:30 p.m.. Okay,
[29:54] definitive.
[29:54] We've already looked at it.
[29:56] Okay.
[29:57] It's only definitively because
[29:58] I didn't I didn't have it
[29:59] immediately in front of me as
[30:00] well. So you've got to see you.
[30:02] You've got to you're spared
[30:04] from watching me, uh, fumble
[30:05] around.
[30:08] Over here.
[30:10] Do you want to hear. Oh,
[30:12] actually.
[30:12] Thank you.
[30:13] I just got.
[30:14] It back.
[30:14] So. September, what, 20?
[30:17] We've. So. Monday, 21 to
[30:19] Monday, coming up.
[30:20] At 630. So it's the equinox.
[30:25] For. Oh, nice.
[30:29] Um, so we will address that at
[30:33] the meeting.
[30:37] And that's here as well.
[30:38] Right. It is. Um. So the next
[30:45] topic I wanted to put on, and I
[30:46] want to keep it as a running
[30:47] topic for us because I think I
[30:50] think actually, Kate, I'm so
[30:51] glad you're here. Um, like,
[30:53] pointed out, a website, you
[30:55] know, has all kinds of
[30:56] inconsistencies and problems.
[30:58] It just doesn't match with
[30:59] that. And this doesn't, you
[31:00] know, so what I would like to
[31:02] do and I mean, you know, you
[31:03] can say no as much as you want,
[31:05] like I like to kind of put you
[31:07] in charge of, at least for the
[31:10] recreation committee. Okay.
[31:11] Like trying is trying to see
[31:13] how we can get the data to be
[31:15] accurate and current and
[31:16] updated. Okay. And, you know,
[31:18] just make sure that, um, you
[31:21] know, to the, to the best of
[31:22] our ability where things are
[31:24] linking that there's the right
[31:25] stuff..
[31:26] The links are there.
[31:27] Yeah, yeah. And you know
[31:28] because so for example, I was
[31:30] looking today for pumpkin
[31:31] pumpkin fest and I've found
[31:32] information for like I think
[31:33] 2024 and you know. Yeah, but
[31:36] there wasn't anything about,
[31:37] you know, this year. And so all
[31:40] well and good. Fine. But you
[31:41] know like as we try to sort of
[31:43] clean things up, you know, for
[31:45] our spot and our little piece
[31:47] in the world that that too will
[31:48] help, you know, on the sort of
[31:50] broader, you know, Groveland
[31:52] website and, you know, things
[31:53] like that. We always talk
[31:55] about, you know, it's really
[31:56] important to get the
[31:56] information out to the people.
[31:58] And if our information out to
[31:59] people is all muddled, then
[32:00] they're like, well, I'm not
[32:01] going to look at that because I
[32:02] it's it's not useful to me. So,
[32:04] um, that's something that I
[32:05] want to keep is kind of, um,
[32:08] you know, evergreen topic just
[32:10] to sort of make sure that we
[32:11] move the ball, at least in some
[32:12] way, on some of the stuff. Um,
[32:14] yeah.
[32:15] I'm happy to, um, to, to kind
[32:18] of be the point person for
[32:19] that. Um.
[32:19] I knew you.
[32:20] Would.
[32:21] That's awesome.
[32:22] Um, does the like, who's in
[32:25] charge of the town website?
[32:27] So I'm not sure, but I think
[32:29] the, the conduit, the first
[32:31] conduit for information would
[32:32] be Annie Schindler would be the
[32:33] person to reach out to, I
[32:35] think. And, uh, and so, um, she
[32:39] probably will have the sort of
[32:41] keys of the kingdom on who, who
[32:42] does what and how things kind
[32:43] of go. And then, then we can
[32:45] start to talk about, okay, what
[32:47] needs to be changed, what can
[32:49] be changed easily. You know.
[32:51] What's more complicated, right.
[32:52] And I know last time you guys
[32:54] had talked about that, there is
[32:56] somebody who was working on
[32:57] updating the maps.
[32:59] Yeah, we talked about that
[33:00] today a bit too. And so he's a
[33:03] fellow from West Newbury. I
[33:04] don't have his name as I sit
[33:05] here in the second. Uh, but
[33:07] Mike Dempsey and I are working
[33:09] on the trail enhancements. So,
[33:12] uh, Mike, Mike would have his
[33:14] contact information and
[33:15] whatnot. And so part and parcel
[33:17] of that is we are providing
[33:19] that fellow the information,
[33:21] the data that he needs to do
[33:23] the maps anyway. So, um, so
[33:26] this is timely in the sense of
[33:28] talking to him about, you know,
[33:29] how we get it done and making
[33:31] sure, making sure that we can
[33:32] get a QR code so people can use
[33:34] a phone and see a map and, you
[33:35] know, and that the, the, uh,
[33:38] the trail signs are geo
[33:39] located. And so you, you know,
[33:40] where you are when you are and.
[33:42] All that kind of stuff.
[33:43] Um, so the, the maps that he's
[33:45] making, are they like surveyor
[33:48] type maps or are they like
[33:50] public use kind of trails?
[33:52] The idea is so that they will
[33:53] be public use trail maps. Okay.
[33:55] So that, you know, that'll be
[33:57] what's, um, the QR code that
[33:59] you'll see when you go to the
[34:00] kiosk, which for each
[34:01] particular trail. So the idea
[34:03] is eventually at every
[34:04] trailhead you'll see, you know,
[34:07] okay, this is the such and such
[34:08] trail. Here's the QR code for
[34:10] the for the map. Here's a QR
[34:12] code to donate to the trails
[34:14] project. You know, whatever,
[34:16] right? You know, instead of a
[34:17] little lockbox, right. Live in
[34:19] the future. It's fantastic. Um,
[34:21] and then, you know, so so that
[34:24] information can all be, oh,
[34:26] okay, I'm starting here and now
[34:27] I can see all this.
[34:28] Stuff, so.
[34:29] Gotcha. That's the idea.
[34:30] Okay.
[34:31] Um, but yeah. And any way that
[34:33] I can be helpful, I'm sure, uh,
[34:36] I'm sure everyone on the board
[34:37] feels the same way, you know?
[34:39] Please. You know, let us know.
[34:41] And, you know, we'll all kind
[34:42] of work together to try to
[34:43] identify where there is, where
[34:45] they're kind of blind spots.
[34:46] And there are things that we
[34:46] can we can improve upon and,
[34:48] you know, and then to make sure
[34:50] that the data that we add in is
[34:52] good data. Okay.
[34:53] Yeah, I will do that and have
[34:56] something to report back next
[34:57] month.
[34:58] Um, additionally, I talked to
[35:00] Mike and we we kind of agreed
[35:02] that we think that the maps or
[35:03] at least some subset of them,
[35:05] they're going to be six, right?
[35:07] Should be done by, uh, Pumpkin
[35:10] Fest. And so we should be able
[35:12] to distribute something or
[35:13] provide information or have
[35:15] some sort of a blast, uh, on or
[35:17] before then, okay, to say, hey,
[35:19] look, you know, we've been
[35:20] doing some work, and this is
[35:21] what we've been up to. And so,
[35:23] um, that's that's the goal as
[35:25] we sit here today..
[35:26] And, um, that was what October
[35:29] like.
[35:29] October 22nd.
[35:30] 22nd, 22nd.
[35:34] 2nd June. Right.
[35:36] Okay.
[35:39] Okay. Um, anybody have anything
[35:42] about website marketing
[35:43] outreach?
[35:45] Nope.
[35:48] Okay. Very good. On to Roland
[35:50] de Groveland. Day is coming
[35:51] right up. It is the, uh, the
[35:54] 11th and 12th. I'm looking at
[35:56] the map or the calendar.
[35:58] Yeah.
[35:58] The calendar map is next
[36:00] weekend. Not this weekend. So
[36:02] the 11th and the 12th, Friday
[36:03] and Saturday are, uh, when it
[36:05] is, uh, I have not been able to
[36:07] confirm that we can secure a
[36:09] booth, but if I do, I will
[36:11] blast you. And I will say I
[36:13] will run it at this times. And,
[36:15] you know, we'll see who who can
[36:16] man it, you know, for whenever
[36:18] we're, we're doing it. But
[36:19] basically, um, if we're, if
[36:21] we're allowed, if we're
[36:22] permitted to do it, um, then,
[36:25] you know, uh, Michelle and I
[36:27] did, you know, did one before
[36:29] and we, you know, we got some
[36:30] like, uh, some cornhole boards
[36:33] and, you know, hung out and
[36:34] passed out maps and, you know,
[36:36] uh, there were folks that said,
[36:38] oh, I didn't know that there
[36:38] was a trail over there or, you
[36:40] know, wanted to talk about
[36:41] things that they're interested
[36:43] in in town. And so it's a good
[36:44] way to just sort of, you know,
[36:46] shoot the breeze with folks to
[36:48] see. So if we're able to do
[36:49] that, we will do that. If not,
[36:51] I think the plan will be to
[36:52] have some sort of presence in
[36:53] some way at Pumpkin Fest, you
[36:55] know, so we we kind of do get
[36:56] two bites at the apple in this
[36:58] sense. And, uh, to maybe hear
[37:00] what folks are thinking.
[37:01] Yep.
[37:02] Okay. I think, uh, the select
[37:03] board's doing some suggestion
[37:05] box type things. And I remember
[37:07] Michelle talking about doing a
[37:08] suggestion box on the website.
[37:10] But I don't know, even if we
[37:11] aren't organized enough to do
[37:13] that, if this if the select
[37:14] board folks wouldn't mind a
[37:16] recreation.
[37:17] Like an addendum.
[37:18] Yeah. Well, because they were
[37:19] just going to have like cars,
[37:20] you could put it in the, the
[37:22] like into the box for the
[37:23] different. It was essentially
[37:25] like the idea that we don't
[37:26] want a long survey just like a
[37:27] hey, I'd like X, I want more
[37:30] walking trails. And they put it
[37:32] like if, if that could be one
[37:33] of the topics that and even if
[37:36] they would allow us to join
[37:37] like the town booth or
[37:38] something too, if we, we don't
[37:40] have enough for our own booths.
[37:41] Right. We could kind of be a
[37:42] presence there. And that could
[37:45] be an option to just like, I
[37:47] like that idea of suggestion
[37:48] because like a full survey is a
[37:50] big commitment trying to chase
[37:51] people down. But hey, do you
[37:53] have an idea? Well, or just
[37:56] scribbled down?
[37:56] And it wasn't long ago that we
[37:57] did do one of those. So I mean,
[37:59] again, you know, you don't want
[38:00] to you don't want to obliterate
[38:02] people's interest, you know,
[38:03] interest by, you know, blasting
[38:05] them with what do you think
[38:06] about this? And what do you
[38:07] think about that? You know, too
[38:09] much. Um, periodically it's
[38:11] good. And certainly if there's
[38:12] already kind of a presence from
[38:14] the select board, you know, um,
[38:16] sort of doubling up on that,
[38:18] you know, might not be super
[38:19] helpful, but but certainly, you
[38:21] know, to the extent that the
[38:23] kinds of suggestions that they
[38:24] got, they get will affect
[38:26] recreation, it's like it's
[38:27] absolutely information that we
[38:29] should share and collaborate
[38:30] on. Yeah. Um, other thoughts.
[38:38] Do, uh, well, do we have the
[38:41] any of the suggestions written
[38:43] down anywhere from the last
[38:44] time we did this?
[38:46] Um.
[38:47] The survey? Sure. Um, yeah. So
[38:50] that was back in. I want to see
[38:52] 2024. We did. It was like an
[38:54] anonymous survey monkey survey.
[38:57] Um, and we got very minimal
[39:00] responses. Sure. Um, I think
[39:02] the overall theme was make
[39:05] trails more visible. Um, um,
[39:07] from the again, very limited,
[39:10] like I think we got, I think we
[39:12] got two. Yeah. To fill out the
[39:14] survey.
[39:15] So Upon this committee.
[39:17] You know, one of them may have
[39:18] already been on the committee
[39:19] as well. And then the other one
[39:21] probably puts a test.
[39:22] Notice.
[39:23] Um, yeah. So very, very minimal
[39:25] responses. But again, overall
[39:27] theme was just I didn't know
[39:28] that we had trails. It would be
[39:29] nice to. Yeah. Have it be more
[39:32] known. Yeah.
[39:33] Right. And that is, that is,
[39:35] you know, dead center on what
[39:36] we're trying to do with the
[39:37] enhancement project. And then,
[39:38] you know, I mean, uh, that and
[39:41] just like I was saying about,
[39:42] you know, the project with the
[39:43] shade, that's not necessarily
[39:46] the end of it, right? You know,
[39:47] I mean, so 2028, 2029, you
[39:50] know, there are there are going
[39:51] to be more opportunities to do
[39:52] more things. Hey, I really
[39:53] liked how you did this on the
[39:54] trail. We should have more of
[39:56] that. Or wow, that didn't work
[39:57] at all. This. This would be a
[39:59] better this would be a better
[40:00] idea. You know, some of this is
[40:02] you plug, you play and you see
[40:04] you see what works. We put in a
[40:06] couple big bellies on the on
[40:08] the rail, you know, on the rail
[40:09] trail. I want to see how they
[40:10] how they kind of vest over a
[40:12] couple of years. You know, if
[40:13] it's not a big deal with the,
[40:15] you know, the upkeep and things
[40:16] that, you know, those sorts of
[40:17] things, maybe that maybe
[40:18] they'll be interested you more
[40:20] of those, maybe that was not
[40:21] good. And so, you know, it's
[40:23] it's um, it is definitely a
[40:26] moving, you know, a moving
[40:27] target as far as, you know
[40:29] what, what's the right thing to
[40:30] do, you know, in a particular
[40:31] time. But but, um, you know,
[40:34] I'm encouraged, especially when
[40:37] I'm going through the, you
[40:38] know, the sort of rubric of
[40:39] looking at these old meetings.
[40:41] And I'm encouraged to see that
[40:42] some of the things that people
[40:43] have been talking about are
[40:44] things that got done. And
[40:46] that's a great credit, not just
[40:48] to this committee, but also to,
[40:50] uh, you know, Andy and Rebecca
[40:52] and Town Hall and then the
[40:53] select board and all the folks
[40:54] who volunteer to help and, you
[40:56] know, people at the CPC who,
[40:58] you know, worked, worked to
[40:59] get, you know, make sure these
[41:00] things got funded. Uh, you
[41:02] know, people at town Hall
[41:04] trying to, you know, vet these
[41:05] things and, you know, that sort
[41:06] of thing. So it's it is really
[41:08] an all hands on deck kind of
[41:10] approach. And to see, you know,
[41:13] idea to plan to funding to
[41:15] completion is awesome. So, um,
[41:18] maybe, maybe two years ago,
[41:19] you'll look back on this, you
[41:20] won't be doing it because you
[41:21] need meeting minutes, because
[41:22] Steve's does a fantastic job
[41:24] getting them every week. But,
[41:26] um, but, you know, it's nice
[41:28] every now and then to take
[41:29] stock of, you know, what the,
[41:31] the the general trajectory of
[41:33] the board is or the committee
[41:34] is. So, um, so I'm happy about
[41:37] that. Yeah. On that note, uh,
[41:40] let's look at the old meeting
[41:41] minutes. Um, as everyone had a
[41:44] chance to take a peek at these.
[41:48] Uh, sorry. Prior meeting.
[41:50] The meeting, the July 23rd
[41:52] meeting. Minutes that I have
[41:53] put in front of you. Okay. Uh.
[41:55] I'm sorry. Are we voting on the
[41:57] other ones, too?
[41:58] Not today. I don't have all. I
[42:00] don't have all those meeting
[42:01] minutes completed. Gotcha. So
[42:02] I, I am working on those
[42:04] because it's not fair to make
[42:05] Steve do all those because he
[42:06] does a good job on the ones
[42:07] that we can.
[42:08] Help with that.
[42:09] Nope. Nope. I, uh, I am not
[42:11] going to do that. Um, so, um. I
[42:18] know I sent you guys an email
[42:19] about it, but the people in
[42:20] town don't know. Um, it's as
[42:21] far as prior meeting minutes.
[42:23] We're working on getting
[42:23] everything put together so that
[42:25] there are meeting minutes for
[42:26] all the meetings that we that
[42:27] we have, um, video for from
[42:31] 2024 through the present. Um, I
[42:34] think there are a couple of
[42:35] meetings that I saw that I
[42:36] didn't see, you know, a video
[42:38] for, but there are at least
[42:40] four that are outstanding.
[42:41] We've uploaded some of the old
[42:42] ones that we were able to
[42:44] locate as well. Um, but I think
[42:46] there are four there.
[42:47] Outstanding. I've assigned, um,
[42:50] you know, watching these
[42:51] minutes of these meetings, uh,
[42:53] to members of the committee,
[42:55] and everybody's been really
[42:57] super helpful. And very soon we
[42:59] will get those meeting minutes
[43:00] approved and then have a much
[43:02] more complete, um, you know,
[43:05] uh, array of, of, uh, what
[43:07] we've been doing here for the
[43:08] past couple of years. Uh, but
[43:10] with that, do I have, uh, do I
[43:12] have a motion to approve the
[43:13] meeting minutes of July 23rd,
[43:16] 2026?
[43:17] I'll move to.
[43:18] Approve..
[43:20] I have a second.
[43:20] Oh, I second.
[43:22] Uh, any discussion? All those
[43:24] in favor? Aye, aye. All right.
[43:27] Meeting minutes approved. I
[43:28] will make sure they get to the
[43:29] town to town clerk and are
[43:31] updated on the website. Um,
[43:34] future agenda items or
[43:35] planning? Uh, anybody have
[43:37] anything that they want to get
[43:39] on the agenda for the next
[43:40] meeting?
[43:43] Uh, maybe. I don't know if. Did
[43:46] y'all talk about, um, mission
[43:48] statement yet?
[43:49] Uh, we haven't. And you sent me
[43:51] something that was helpful and
[43:53] appropriate. Um, and should
[43:57] probably form the basis of what
[43:59] we end up doing about that.
[44:00] Okay. Um, so let's put it let's
[44:03] let's have a future agenda item
[44:05] about mission statement for the
[44:06] recreation Committee. Um, uh,
[44:09] Kate did, in fact send me some
[44:11] very helpful information about
[44:12] that, that I will help to shape,
[44:16] uh, and hopefully have
[44:17] something that we can we can
[44:18] maybe vote on next time.
[44:19] Yeah. There. Yeah. I think
[44:21] there were, like, a couple of
[44:22] different suggestions in there
[44:23] of, like, a very short one and
[44:25] then a more one, longer one.
[44:28] We can, we can talk about it.
[44:30] But but that'll definitely that
[44:31] definitely will go on the next
[44:33] on the next meeting. Uh
[44:35] anything else.
[44:37] I don't think so. I like we
[44:39] have a nice set of, um, kind of
[44:41] fixed items that really handle
[44:43] what we have been talking
[44:45] about.
[44:45] So they're pretty evergreen.
[44:46] Yeah. And, uh, and I mean, you
[44:48] know, again, it's if you look
[44:50] from the past, you know, some,
[44:51] some past, like we were talking
[44:54] about membership and now we
[44:55] have a full board. We were
[44:57] talking about, you know, we
[44:58] could still use a couple of
[44:59] alternate members, in fact.
[45:00] But, you know, like, the things
[45:02] that were action items are, are
[45:04] getting done, um, even though,
[45:06] you know, it's may not be
[45:07] perfectly as fast as we would
[45:08] like, but, you know, making
[45:09] progress. So I am always of the
[45:11] mindset that if we're moving
[45:12] forward, you know, we're we're
[45:14] doing our job and we're getting
[45:15] in good shape..
[45:15] Is that a curious because I'm
[45:17] not sure that if somebody was
[45:19] interested me, an alternate
[45:20] member, they would attend our
[45:21] meetings, but they wouldn't
[45:22] vote unless somebody was
[45:23] absent. Is that how.
[45:24] That I believe that's how it
[45:25] works. So they contribute to
[45:27] the meeting. They, um, you
[45:29] know, they are there and
[45:31] helpful and understand and have
[45:32] been present. And then if if
[45:34] anybody is missing, then they
[45:35] would, they would take the
[45:36] vote.
[45:36] Yeah. But I think the nature of
[45:38] our committee is it's mostly
[45:39] the discussion and the
[45:40] brainstorming and, and that. So
[45:42] I don't think.
[45:42] There's not a lot there's not a
[45:43] lot of votes.
[45:44] Right.
[45:44] We're not per.
[45:45] Se we're not.
[45:46] So, so right. So having a
[45:48] having a couple alternate
[45:50] members would be very helpful
[45:51] because it would add it would
[45:52] add to the, you know, it would
[45:53] add to the soup I think. And
[45:55] uh, and so I'm definitely
[45:57] amenable..
[45:58] And a two that.
[45:59] Were two is two is what we can
[46:01] have I think.
[46:02] Okay.
[46:02] Um, um, so any other future
[46:06] agenda items that.
[46:09] I know.
[46:11] All right. Items are not
[46:12] reasonably anticipated at the
[46:13] time of posting. I've got one.
[46:14] Okay. Um, so, uh, people of
[46:17] Groveland, uh, we now have been
[46:20] assigned to our intended to be
[46:22] assigned as members of
[46:23] committees in town. Uh, town
[46:25] emails. Uh, so it is my
[46:28] understanding that everybody
[46:29] who is on a board or committee,
[46:31] um, gets a, gets a town email.
[46:33] And so it's generally speaking
[46:35] and it may not be universally
[46:36] this way. Um, first initial
[46:40] last name at Groveland may.
[46:45] Yep. Right. And so, um, if
[46:49] you're looking to get a hold of
[46:50] people, the idea is now that,
[46:53] um, you should be using the
[46:54] Groveland Mass websites instead
[46:56] of people's personal emails.
[46:58] Uh, it's just smoother and a
[47:00] little more collaborative. And,
[47:02] uh, we're working out the
[47:03] kinks, but, uh, collectively,
[47:06] um, but I think we're we're
[47:08] going to be trending toward
[47:09] that. And so certainly, um, if
[47:11] you're wondering why an email
[47:13] responded to or things along
[47:14] those lines, there's a little
[47:16] bit of uptake happening. So,
[47:17] uh, try to use the first
[47:20] initial last name at Groveland,
[47:22] Ma, uh, for anybody that you
[47:25] want to get Ahold of.
[47:27] Have they said if they're going
[47:28] to do, like an alias like
[47:30] recreation committee at
[47:31] Groveland, Ma, that goes to all
[47:33] of us, because that would be
[47:35] handy.
[47:36] That sounds, uh, that sounds
[47:37] above my pay grade. As far as
[47:39] tech discussions, but I know
[47:41] you could talk to about that.
[47:43] And I know she would have
[47:44] something to say for sure. So,
[47:45] uh, I welcome you to to begin
[47:48] that discussion.
[47:49] I just because it seems silly
[47:50] to make people type in five
[47:52] emails.
[47:53] Yep. Right. No. True. Um.
[47:55] So we don't reply all and
[47:57] discuss.
[47:57] Right? Exactly. Well, no.
[47:59] Again. And you know.
[48:00] Well, do we we have to reply
[48:02] all though, right?
[48:03] Well, so no, uh, so.
[48:06] No, no, no, it's the opposite.
[48:07] You're right. It's the, it's
[48:08] you have to reply one.
[48:10] Lie only to you.
[48:12] Right. Because the whole, the
[48:13] whole point is, is and it bears
[48:15] repeating because it's
[48:16] something that goes that's at
[48:18] every committee and every board
[48:19] is if there's a discussion that
[48:21] disseminates from the the chair
[48:23] of the board or the committee,
[48:25] um, if you start having reply
[48:27] calls and it's like you're
[48:28] having a meeting when you're
[48:29] not having a meeting, uh,
[48:31] that's available to the public.
[48:33] And so the idea is, yes,
[48:35] there's information that can be
[48:36] exchanged outside of the
[48:37] public's eye. But when we all
[48:39] talk about something, it's
[48:40] supposed to be in a form where
[48:42] everybody can get together.
[48:43] Now, there's a there's a grand
[48:44] total of zero folks here.
[48:46] Yeah.
[48:47] So it's, you know, in practice
[48:49] right now, not an issue. But,
[48:51] um, maybe someday that'll
[48:53] change and maybe more people
[48:54] will come in and maybe more
[48:55] people will will use the zoom
[48:56] link as well. And that would be
[48:57] too.
[48:57] I would think that part of the
[49:00] purpose of having the town
[49:01] emails is so that any discourse
[49:04] can become part of the public
[49:06] record.
[49:06] Sure.
[49:07] And if that is the case, then
[49:11] you know, that type of thing
[49:13] would be like almost, you know,
[49:18] uh, in the military we say OB,
[49:21] but what the what's.
[49:22] An overcome by events?
[49:23] Yes.
[49:23] What's a. normal way to say
[49:25] that.
[49:26] Right. Well, I think it's like
[49:27] the there's the two sides of
[49:28] the public record piece, but
[49:29] there's also the open meeting
[49:30] law piece.
[49:30] Right.
[49:31] Okay. And that's I think
[49:32] specifically where we can't
[49:33] have any we can I can send the
[49:35] meeting minutes that we're
[49:36] going to review, but we can't
[49:38] have a back and forth on what
[49:40] our mission statement.
[49:41] That okay. Right. Right, right.
[49:42] And and if it goes from person
[49:45] to chair and a person to chair
[49:47] and person to chair, that's
[49:48] okay. As we're sort of trying
[49:50] to formalize the things so that
[49:51] we can maybe vote on it. Right.
[49:53] But if it's like, hey
[49:55] everybody, what do you think?
[49:56] And then everybody's, you know,
[49:58] it starts going, you know, from
[50:01] lateral that it's that it's
[50:02] problematic.
[50:03] And then I guess at that point,
[50:04] like it could get to the point
[50:05] where you're having discussions
[50:06] and then you show up at the
[50:07] meeting and you just have the
[50:08] vote. And like.
[50:09] That's what it's designed to
[50:10] prevent.
[50:10] Right. Exactly.
[50:11] So yeah.
[50:12] Right. And and I mean, we're
[50:15] watching these videos, I can
[50:16] tell you this, this committee
[50:18] does does a good job of vetting
[50:19] things out. And, you know,
[50:21] having hashing all their
[50:22] thoughts out in the open. And
[50:23] it's, uh, it's a it's a good
[50:25] forum that way. So, uh, people
[50:27] of grumbling feel free to come
[50:28] to any recreation meeting. We
[50:30] publicize these things. You
[50:31] certainly can be there. And if
[50:32] it's if it's a hassle, we
[50:34] understand we all have lives to
[50:35] remember. We're volunteers,
[50:37] even though we have Groveland,
[50:38] Massachusetts emails now. Um,
[50:41] we're all volunteers. So, you
[50:43] know, we understand busy. And
[50:44] you certainly can use the zoom
[50:45] link and, you know, do all the
[50:47] things that you would do at
[50:48] home anyway. So, um, with that,
[50:51] any other items not reasonably
[50:53] anticipated?
[50:53] That makes me think of a
[50:54] question regarding the two
[50:55] previous thing. If a quorum of
[50:58] this committee is attending the
[51:00] CPC meeting, do we just have to
[51:03] be careful, or do we have to
[51:04] declare it also a recreation
[51:06] committee meeting?
[51:08] It's not because when you go to
[51:11] your CPC meeting, you're not
[51:12] going as a member of the
[51:13] recreation committee, you're
[51:15] going as a proponent of a
[51:16] project. You're an individual.
[51:17] You're you're a town
[51:18] individual. So I don't see
[51:19] there being any any issue with,
[51:22] you know, uh, the fact that
[51:24] three to 3 to 5 of it, we're
[51:26] not conducting committee
[51:27] business. Right. We're you
[51:29] you're an individual with an
[51:30] individual project. Okay. That
[51:31] is encouraged and sanctioned by
[51:34] the recreation committee, for
[51:35] sure. But at the same point,
[51:36] it's not a recreation committee
[51:38] project. Um, so I think you're
[51:41] wearing your individual hat. I
[51:42] think it shouldn't be a
[51:43] problem. But I mean, you know,
[51:45] fair, fair question to ask.
[51:46] Anyway.
[51:47] Um, I also have a question
[51:48] about this is, um, this is a
[51:50] new to New England. I've never
[51:52] been to a town meeting before.
[51:53] No, nowhere. I grew up, had
[51:55] town meetings.
[51:56] Um.
[51:58] Is like, ah, does each
[52:00] committee do, like, a report at
[52:02] that meeting? Like, would we be
[52:04] expected to, like, bring
[52:05] something to that meeting, or
[52:07] is it just kind of like
[52:08] election y stuff.
[52:09] Like, so what happens just
[52:11] just, you know, so, you know,
[52:13] and it's it was new to me when
[52:14] I moved to town also a few
[52:15] years back. So don't feel don't
[52:17] feel bashful about about it.
[52:19] Um, the what happens at town
[52:21] meeting is there are there's a
[52:23] warrant and the warrant has
[52:25] these are the articles that are
[52:27] up for discussion and vote.
[52:29] Okay. And so the the town gets
[52:32] to vote on things like the
[52:34] budget and gets the vote on,
[52:35] you know, what are we going to
[52:36] do about, you know, are we
[52:37] going to buy this piece of
[52:38] land. Are we going to accept
[52:39] this project. Are we going to
[52:41] for for the CPC specific
[52:43] things? Are we going to fund
[52:44] these projects? You know, and
[52:46] so it's a thumbs up or thumbs
[52:48] down and, you know, like, you
[52:49] know, people can propose
[52:50] amendments and, you know, so
[52:52] there's each of the warrant
[52:54] articles is like, um, it's kind
[52:56] of like a ballot initiative,
[52:58] right? Is the way that I would
[52:59] sort of explain it to somebody
[53:01] who hadn't seen one. And so
[53:02] it's like, do we want to do
[53:04] this? And there'll be people
[53:05] that can speak in favor,
[53:06] there'll be people that can
[53:07] speak against. And then, you
[53:08] know, eventually the discussion
[53:10] happens and then there's a
[53:11] vote. So, um, it's not that the
[53:15] Recreation Committee would
[53:16] like, have in our particular
[53:17] situation like, uh, you know,
[53:19] like a presentation that we
[53:20] have to make, um, you know, if
[53:23] there's a particular, um, what
[53:27] will happen is various boards
[53:30] and committees will take a
[53:30] position on a, on an article
[53:33] and say, you know, okay,
[53:34] finance supports this. And, you
[53:36] know, CPC supports this
[53:38] project, you know, supports
[53:40] this project. Select board is
[53:41] in favor so that folks have an
[53:43] idea of what the people in, you
[53:45] know, what the boards and town
[53:46] sort of think about these
[53:47] things. So it helps them to
[53:49] say, okay, well, you know, this
[53:50] is something that, you know,
[53:51] seems to make financial sense
[53:53] and it's not, you know, uh, you
[53:54] know, gotcha. An albatross or
[53:56] something. But, uh, it's, you
[53:58] know, uh, it's an interesting
[54:01] it's an interesting couple of
[54:02] hours, I'll tell you that for
[54:03] sure. And, um, you in
[54:06] Groveland. In groveling, you
[54:07] need 100 people to have a
[54:09] quorum. And a couple of years
[54:11] ago was tight. We're getting
[54:12] better at, um. I was part of
[54:14] the committee that, uh, that,
[54:16] um, you know, was formed to try
[54:19] to encourage, you know, what
[54:20] kind of things can we do to
[54:21] encourage attendance and things
[54:22] like that? Um, but I think
[54:24] we're getting more attendance
[54:26] each year. Um, over the last
[54:28] couple. Um, but it is I
[54:30] encourage everyone to attend.
[54:32] And, you know, this is where
[54:33] you're really your voice really
[54:35] matters. Because if we are a
[54:37] town of 6500 people or so and
[54:40] 120 show up to vote on the
[54:42] thing, you know, to vote on a
[54:44] $20 million budget. You know, I
[54:46] mean, I think, you know, you
[54:47] gotta you got to have some skin
[54:49] in the game. Yeah. You know,
[54:51] you should get down there and
[54:52] be a part of it. Um, so.
[54:54] So where to, where do the,
[54:56] like, budget requests for that
[54:58] budget that gets voted on come
[55:00] from? And specifically, I guess
[55:02] the point of the question is
[55:04] like for say, we wanted to do
[55:07] something and we needed a
[55:08] budget for the next fiscal year
[55:09] or whatever, like where when at
[55:11] one point, one point would we
[55:12] request that? Where would that
[55:13] go in? Like how would we get
[55:15] that submitted?
[55:15] Well, so I think if if the
[55:17] recreation committee wanted to
[55:19] get some money to do a thing,
[55:21] um, not necessarily like a PC
[55:23] project, I think we would have
[55:25] to reach out to the select
[55:26] board. I think we would have to
[55:27] reach out to the town manager.
[55:28] I think we would have to reach
[55:29] out to finance. I think
[55:30] depending on what the topic
[55:32] was, maybe, maybe we'd need to
[55:34] reach out to like the
[55:34] Conservation Commission if
[55:35] there was something about, you
[55:36] know, those sorts of things. So
[55:37] it would depend on what the
[55:38] project was. But I mean, the
[55:42] the general answer is you're
[55:43] probably gonna have to reach
[55:43] out to a lot of folks if
[55:44] there's some sort of if there's
[55:46] an earmark you want to get. Um,
[55:48] one thing that I learned that I
[55:50] didn't know coming in to all of
[55:52] this was, uh, not all pots of
[55:56] money are accessible for all
[55:57] things. And money for this has
[56:00] to go into this pocket, and
[56:01] money for that has to go into
[56:03] that bucket. And you can't
[56:04] necessarily mix them and
[56:05] intermingle them. And there are
[56:07] rules about how how things have
[56:09] to get bid. So, um, it's not
[56:11] always so simple as I need
[56:13] money from this. Take it from
[56:14] the general fund, you know.
[56:16] Yeah, I work in government
[56:17] contracting. I know. about
[56:19] colors of money.
[56:20] Well.
[56:20] I don't know. I do not, and so
[56:23] I would love to read about it
[56:24] individually when I'm not
[56:25] wearing my hat as a recreation
[56:27] board.
[56:28] It's not.
[56:28] Fun.
[56:29] , like, you know, it's not fun.
[56:31] It's never fun.
[56:32] So, um.
[56:33] Okay, so it's not like there's
[56:35] not a point at which, like, the
[56:36] select board puts out a request
[56:38] to all the committees to say,
[56:39] like, put in your budget
[56:40] requests for the next year.
[56:41] That doesn't happen.
[56:42] Well, okay. It hasn't it hasn't
[56:45] in our budget currently for
[56:46] this committee is zero. Yeah.
[56:48] It has been since I've been a
[56:49] member. So I mean, if.
[56:50] We reach out to town
[56:51] departments for that and the
[56:53] town administrator coordinates
[56:54] that and they have hearings in
[56:55] front of the finance committee
[56:57] for that, but, ah, yeah, we're
[56:59] advisory. So if we were to like
[57:01] going back to the idea of like
[57:03] scanning the QR code to donate,
[57:04] if we ended up saying, oh, we
[57:06] need a revolving fund for trail
[57:07] maintenance, and the donations
[57:09] go into that, and when we can
[57:10] help decide where that is
[57:12] expended, that would be
[57:13] something that would have to be
[57:14] approved by town meeting and
[57:16] all that sort of stuff. I think
[57:18] we haven't gotten to that
[57:20] point. And but when the
[57:21] recreation committee used to
[57:23] run the town, the summer pro,
[57:26] the summer camp program, there
[57:27] was a revolving fund for that,
[57:29] and there was money allocated.
[57:31] So I think there was a history
[57:32] at one point where this
[57:33] recreation committee did have
[57:35] essentially control over some
[57:36] of that money, even though it
[57:37] was the the town itself was the
[57:39] actual administrator of those
[57:40] funds. We don't have a fiscal
[57:43] role.
[57:44] Right. It makes sense
[57:45] currently.
[57:46] Right. Currently.
[57:47] And and I mean, the other piece
[57:49] of it is a lot of this stuff is
[57:50] fluid. So the Select board is
[57:52] interested in hearing what we
[57:53] have to say about things. And,
[57:54] you know, as as the town grows
[57:56] and develops, who knows? You
[57:58] know, a recreation department
[58:00] might be an appropriate thing
[58:01] at some point. Um, I don't
[58:03] think we're there quite yet.
[58:04] Yeah. Um, but you never know.
[58:07] Um, so is that helpful?
[58:11] Yes. Thank you.
[58:12] That is.
[58:12] Helpful.
[58:13] Awesome. Uh, anybody have
[58:15] anything else? I do? Uh, let's
[58:18] talk about the next meeting. I
[58:19] would like to get it in front
[58:21] of Pumpkin Fest. Um, so I was
[58:24] sort of targeting October 8th.
[58:27] Um, I did check with Emilio,
[58:29] and he says that works for him,
[58:30] too. He can also make the 15th
[58:32] work if need be, but I would
[58:34] kind of prefer the eighth. But
[58:35] I can also do the 15th or
[58:37] either of those dates. Okay.
[58:39] Either of those.
[58:39] Dates.
[58:41] Yeah.
[58:42] Yeah, I can.
[58:44] Do I yeah, I think that the
[58:45] eighth would be preferable.
[58:47] Preferable.
[58:48] But let's do it. Let's, let's
[58:50] set it for the eighth.
[58:51] Everybody put it in your
[58:51] calendar.
[58:52] It gives.
[58:52] Us the.
[58:52] 15th in case it has the slot.
[58:54] Right. Putting it in right now.
[58:55] No it's good, it's good. This
[58:57] is, this is again we're we're
[58:59] working towards something. Uh,
[59:01] recreation Committee.
[59:02] 7:00 works well for me. If it
[59:04] works well for.
[59:05] Yeah.
[59:05] Yeah, exactly. So. And that's
[59:08] October 8th, and I will make
[59:10] sure that I'm on top of getting
[59:12] the getting the agenda out. All
[59:24] right. We're getting there,
[59:27] folks. Um, all right, so the
[59:33] we, uh, we've set the next
[59:36] meeting for Thursday, October
[59:38] 8th at 7 p.m. in this room. Um,
[59:42] anything else from anybody?
[59:45] Um.
[59:46] I don't have anything either.
[59:47] I'll entertain a motion to
[59:48] close at 8:03 p.m..
[59:50] I'll make a motion to close at
[59:51] 803.