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Good afternoon. Folks having trouble getting in. I'm on my

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phone right now, but the link will not be accepted

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by my iPad. There might be others having challenges. Hi

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Councillor, it's Garrett here. Thanks for the heads up. We

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can get somebody to reach out for you to support,

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okay? Yeah, actually, if they wouldn't mind, have them give

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me a call because I wouldn't mind it on my

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iPad, not on my show. Thanks. I'm gonna sign off

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you. Thanks. Bye.

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Good afternoon, just to my colleagues, just wondering if everyone

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could turn on the cameras for me for just a

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moment. Just so I can make sure that we have

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quorum. Thank you, Lianne and Phil. Aaron, thank you. Yeah,

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we're good. We have Corum. So thank you very much.

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And Christine, thank you. I'd like to call the meeting

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officially to order. It is Tuesday, July 14th, and it

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is three o'clock PM and good thing it's not three

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o'clock AM. That would be very bad. And I will

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look to see right off the top a recommendation for

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us to move into a closed meeting. Now the closed

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meeting, I'll just read this out here, is for an

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item, 1242 to 1270 Gordon Street, nine Valley Road, the

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Ontario Land Tribunal Update as per section 239 to E

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and F of the municipal AF regarding litigation or potential

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litigation, including matters before administrative tribunals affecting the municipality or

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local board and advice that is subject to solicitor client

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privilege, including communications necessary for that purpose. And the other

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one is potential land acquisition, and that's as per section

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2392CNF and K of the municipal act regarding a proposed

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or pending acquisition or disposition of land by the municipality

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or local board, advice that is subject to solicitor client

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privilege, including communications necessary for that purpose, and a position

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plan procedure, criteria, or instruction to be applied to any

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negotiations carried on or to procure it on by or

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on behalf of the municipality or local board. Those are

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the only two items. I did get regrets from Councillor

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Galler just for the beginning of the meeting. So maybe

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for the in - camera portion might not be joining

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us. But that's all that was stated to me. And

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so with that, is there anyone that would be willing

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to move to go into clothes on those two items?

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I got Busatil and Downer here. Thank you. And just

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before I do call the vote on those two items,

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is there any disclosure or pecuniary interest on any general

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nature thereof for those two items. Don't hear, see anybody.

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Okay, so I'll call the vote, is there anybody against

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moving into closed on those two items? No, I don't

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hear see anybody, so that's unanimous. Thank you so much.

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And we are meeting in a. Link for our friends

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online is the same. We're good. We'll be back out

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for a summary later. Thank you. Bye - bye.

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Okay everybody, I'd like to call the meeting to order.

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We are here on Tuesday, July the 14th, 2026, and

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it is our planning meeting. And it is four o'clock.

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So thank you very much for joining. Just before I

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move into the rest of the agenda as I normally

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do, we had an in - camera meeting just before

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this meeting. And it was on two items. And just

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from a high level summary point of view, we went

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in camera for two items. The first being 1242 to

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1270 Gordon Street and nine Valley Road. And on that

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topic, we gave staff direction. And then on the second

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topic, it was potential land acquisition. And we also counsel

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also gave direction in regards to that matter as well,

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okay? Just to make sure that those are stated. So

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with that, out of the way, please stand if you're

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able as we recognise our national anthem.

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Great, thank you. Everyone. As we continue. On with. Our

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agenda. If we could just have a moment of silent

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reflection.

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Thank you. And for our territorial acknowledgement, as we gather,

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let us take time to reflect on the privilege to

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live and work hearing wealth, a city that's built over

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rich Indigenous histories. And as guests here, we should reflect

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upon the responsibility to care for the land. And the

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people who live here today and the generations to come.

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If our actions today can move us towards reconciliation, we

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should take pause and make those decisions with intention and

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with gratitude. This place we call Guelph assert as traditional

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lands and a place of refuge for many people's over

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time, but more specifically, the anointing, and the whole Noshoni.

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This land is held as the treaty lands, and the

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territory with the Mississauga, Mississaugazov, the Credit First Nation, and

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Guelph also lies directly adjacent to the Haldeman track, which

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is part of a long - established traditional hunting grounds

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for the Six Nations of the Grand River. Many First

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Nations Inuit and Maity people who have come from across

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turtle island, called Guelph Home today. Thank you. Is there

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any disclosure at pecuniary interest or any general nature there

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are for the items in front of us. No. Okay,

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thank you very much. And I'm good to go right

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into the consent agenda. Just everyone jumped their hands up

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in the air or let me know if he wants

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something pulled, but the 19 Dublin Street South with the

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notice of intention to designate along with seven Belserok place,

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notice of intention to designate. Those are the only two

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under the consent. Does anyone need them pulled. No? Okay.

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Coran will move consent for me and Colossen will second.

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Thank you, and I'll call the vote then. Is anyone

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against those two items? Nobody, so that's unanimous. No, look,

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everybody, just let me jump in here for a moment.

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We have. If it's, if it's okay with everybody, we

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have a very quick presentation. And no delegations to the

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rental replacement bylaw. And I think, I really do believe

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we're all sort of behind this issue. I think it's

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important to publicly state the presentation part. If you don't

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mind, I'd like to just jump to that part in

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the agenda. It makes sense to do that for our

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staff time too. So is Kushla here. Oh, yes. Okay,

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that probably helps. So that's good. Okay, so I'm gonna

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just jump to 6. 3 very quickly. It's the public

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meeting and decision report for the proposed rental replacement by

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- law and the enabling official Plan Amendment. We're just

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gonna have a quick presentation. And then we got the

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recommendations right in front of us here, okay? So Kusha,

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if you don't mind coming down, clerks, if you just

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get the presentation ready, thank you.

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All right, look at that. I had good evening, Merica,

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three and members of Council, but it gets to be

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good afternoon. So this is a statutory public meeting and

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decision meeting for the official Plan Amendment. Number 117, that

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would enable the rental replacement by - law. So, uh,

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really what the Rental Placement bylaw is, is a new

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tool that would let the City Protect existing. Affordable rental

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housing when someone applies to demolish or convert it to

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another use. Kushua, I'm very sorry to interrupt you. Yes.

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I just need to make sure of something. Before you

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continue. Sure. I need to confer with the clerk for

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a second.

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I'm just making sure about timing for something that I

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just remembered about. So I'm very sorry. I'm just gonna

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confirm Krista. The public meeting noticed that would have gone

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out, said that this meeting started at four. For all

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of the agenda items. And so we're okay here. I

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just want to make sure. That is correct, but you

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will have to open up for a calling. No, I

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know that part. That's not a problem. I just wanted

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to make sure we weren't. Jumping something on that. So

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we're okay on that part. Cushla, I'm very sorry. I

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wanted to make sure that I was dotting all the

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eyes and crossing all the T's there. So, um, I

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heard good afternoon. Start from there. Okay. I will. Go,

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good afternoon, everybody. Um, so yes, this is a statutory

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public meeting, a decision meeting on official plan amendment number

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117, which has to do with the rental replacement bylaw.

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Um, as well as demolition control balla, um, and really

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what the rental place and by - law does is

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help us protect existing affordable housing. Um, when someone tries,

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would like to apply to demolish it or to convert

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it to another use. So the purpose of the report

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generally, um, is that we're asking Council to approve three

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connected items. The draft rental replacement, um, the Draft Retro

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Replacement Bylaw itself, an official Plan Amendment, known as OPA

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117. That gives us the policy footing to administer it.

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And a companion amendment to our demolition control bylaw. Uh,

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the rental replacement by - law is consistent, which is

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attachment one is consistent with the policy direction provided to

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staff at the June 10th committee, the whole meeting. The

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three pieces in this report move together, the official plan

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sets the policy direction. And the two by - laws

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that are included in the report, uh, are the practical

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mechanisms that carry it out. Approving them as a package

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is what makes the entire framework enforceable. So the specific

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decision in front of you, um, is on the amendment

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is to approve, as I mentioned, the City initiated OPA

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number 117. So that staff have the clear policy authority

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to administer the rental replacement bylaw and everything that, um,

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that follows builds on that single enabling step. So the

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first policy, um, proposed amendment is to policy 7. 2.

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4 in the official plan. And really, you could consider

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this almost the heart of the amendment. It states plainly

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that the city will act to retain, maintain, and where

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units are demolished or converted, replace rental housing. Um, it

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adds the text that you see on the screen. And

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it ties together the tools that we already rely on,

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which are our condominium conversion policies. Our demolition control under

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the planning act. Our property standards Bylaw for upkeep and

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would now add the, um, reference to the Rental Replacement

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Bylaw alongside them. The goal of this is simply, as

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I mentioned earlier, to keep our existing rental housing stock

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in good shape. And to make sure that lost affordable

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rental units are replaced. The second proposed amendment is to

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policy is to add new wording to policy 7. 2.

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5, which deals with converting rental housing to another use.

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The new provision says that we are building, um, says

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that we're a building has six or more dwelling units.

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And that's, um, it converting it away from rental must

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follow the rental replacement bylaw. That six unit threshold is

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deliberate. And it is aligned with the municipal act and

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it focuses the rule on the sort of the larger

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buildings where the loss of affordable rental units might have

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the biggest impact on residents. The third proposed amendment is

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to OP policy 7. 2. 6 so that we track

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results, not just our intentions. It requires us to record

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the number and types of affordable rental units lost through

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demolition and conversion. Um, and that have actually been replaced.

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In practical terms, this gives counsel and the public a

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clear ongoing picture of whether the bylaw is doing its

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job. And it also aligns with our commitments through our

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housing affordability strategy to report and monitor on this particular

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item. The fourth proposed amendment is to policy 10. 14,

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which governs how we apply demolition control. Again, it's the

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addition of the text on the screen and it confirms

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that to preserve existing affordable rental housing, the city will

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use demolition control hand in hand with the rental replacement

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bylaw wherever it applies. And this makes sure that the

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two tools work together rather than in isolation. So an

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application to demolish rental units triggers the replacement requirements. The

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final, uh, change adds a formal definition of the rental

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replacement bylaw to the official plans glossary. Part 12 glossary.

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The definitions simply describes a dozen municipal bylaw. Passed under

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the municipal act that lets the city regulate the demolition

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of rental properties and their conversion to other uses. So

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having a clear definition in the plan, again, removes any

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ambiguity about what the terms mean. And as it's referenced

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throughout the policies of the official plan. And finally, this

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brings us to the recommendations and the report. There are

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five. The first is to approve the public meeting and

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decision report itself. The second is to approve the draft

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rental replacement by - law included as attachment one. The

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third is to approve the draft official plan amendment by

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- law. OPA 117 included as attachment two. The fourth

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recommendation is to approve the companion demolition control bylaw amendment

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included as attachment three. And the fifth and final recommendation

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confirms that under the planning act, Council has determined no

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further public notices required for these three instruments. Um, staff

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are recommending approval of all five. And I'm happy to

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answer any questions. Great. What we'll do is we'll just,

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uh, I'll open it up now for anybody before questions.

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I'll open it up just to see if the, um,

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in the room, uh, for those online, uh, that would

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like to call in. Is there anybody in the room

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that wants to speak to this? No. Okay. So I'll

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just put a phone number up on the screen. And

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we'll just wait a couple minutes to see if anyone

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wants to call in on this. It's 519375603. Again, that's

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519 - 837 - 5603. And please just give us

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a few minutes as we wait to see if anyone

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wants to call in. And then we'll come right back

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to us. Okay. Yeah. We'll just, we'll just wait. Councillor,

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um, alt. And I think Councillor Cayton wanted to move

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in second, uh, this, uh, if that's okay with them.

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Yep. Thumbs up. So I think the people that would

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be happy to move it. So, uh, we'll just wait

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for to see if there's any, anybody that wants to

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call in. Okay.

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I'm sorry. My volume. Are you guys having trouble hearing

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me. I see 50 of you say yes and 50

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percent say no, which has been basically my whole 12

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years of, of, of being mayor. That's how it feels.

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All right. So I will make sure that, uh, clerks.

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Are you okay maybe hitting the volume button there? And

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we will project a little bit more. So thank you

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for letting us know.

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Uh, I'm going to call the meeting back to order

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here because no one has called in to speak to

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this item. If you just give me a 30 more

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seconds.

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Okay. Um, the one that's called in and no one

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here. I do have Councillor Alt and Councillor Caten that

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was willing to both move and second. This, thank you

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very much for doing that. And, uh, Councillor Galler, you

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were just wanting to move it. So you're good to

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go. And does anyone else in the room at least

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good to go. Yes. I'm going to go to the

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screen now alt. Would you like to go ahead. Uh,

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yeah, if I could, I'd like to speak Mayor Guthrie.

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Is that all right? Yep. Go for it. Uh, thank

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you very much. Um, first of all, I apologise for

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not being there in person. Uh, I would have preferred

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to be there, but I hurt my back yesterday doing

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young people things, which I should learn not to do.

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But I wanted to thank, um, actually, I suppose it's

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actually Dr. Matthews and her team, uh, for the work

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that's being done on this. As I've been thinking about

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this more, I think that this is most fundamentally a,

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uh, significant element of consumer protection that we are offering.

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Um, we, we have consumer protection for everything from bicycles

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to cars to, to food. And yet, uh, one of

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the most important things is, uh, housing security. So I

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appreciate that, uh, we are doing this and recognise that,

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uh, that, um, that property owners who rent our myriad.

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This is not intended on hurting anyone. This is merely

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intended on recognising that a large percentage of our population

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are very much dependent upon a rental market. And we

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as a city assumed the responsibility of protecting those, uh,

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through protecting these supply and demand market. Thank you very

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much, Mayor Guthrie. Thanks Council Old. So with that, um,

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I think I would just say ditto, which makes it

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easy. And I'll call the vote then okay. Is anybody

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against these recommendations. And that's unanimous. So that's a big

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piece of policy work that I'm pretty proud of for

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this term of council. So thank you to staff, uh,

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as well. And thank you for joining us, Jump on

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that at the beginning of the agenda. I appreciate it.

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So going back to the top of the agenda there,

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we are going to go under the public meeting portion

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to hear the applications, uh, under the planning act here.

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And the first one up is 266 to 280 Claire

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Road West, also 950 Southgate Drive, the proposed official Plant

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Amendment and Zoning Bylaw Amendment. We're going to have, um,

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presentation from our senior planner, uh, Anad Shah is going

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to come up. Thank you. And, uh, then we'll get

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into some delegations after that. So Anand, thank you very

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much for coming up. And I'll turn the microphone and

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presentation over to you. Thank you, Medicatry. Good afternoon, omega

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three members of Council members of public and city staff.

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My name is Anun Shah. I am a senior development

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planner at the city. Today, I am presenting the application

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for an official plan amendment and zoning by l'Omenment for

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the lands municipally known as 266 and 280 Claire Road

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West and 950 Southgate drive. This is a statutory public

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meeting under the planning act. And no decision will be

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made this evening. The purpose of tonight's meeting is to

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provide information on the application and receive comments from Council

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and the public for consideration as part of staffs ongoing

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review. The subject lines are located on the south side

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of Clair Road West and includes property to 66 to

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80 Claire Ode West and 950 Southgate drive. The combined

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land area is approximately 35. 5 hectares with approximately 8.

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5 hectares proposed for the development. The Claire Road Westlands

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are currently vacant and has seen in the image, the

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approximately half of 950 Southgate drive properties used for industrial

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and illegal purposes while other half contains natural vegetation. The

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surrounding area includes Industrial uses to the West Bishop McDonald

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Catholic High School to the east. An additional residential uses

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and NHS lands to the north. The application is proposing

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a mixed residential development consisting of 116 and 114 story

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apartment building, 15 blocks of back to back town houses

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and 16 blocks of stack townhouses. The proposal would result

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in a total of 940 residential dwelling units. A total

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of 1077 parking spaces are proposed through a combination of

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structured and surface parking. Access to the site is proposed

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from Clair Road West. A significant component of the proposal

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involves relocating the existing ecological linkage from the east side

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of the property to the west side, reducing the width

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from approximately 100 metres to 60 metres while also accommodating

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a proposed term, water management facility within the new linkage.

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This slide illustrates the overall site layout. The apartment buildings

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are proposed to the interior of the property away from

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Claire Road West with townhouse blocks distributed throughout the site.

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A 6 story parking structure and surface parking areas are

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proposed. The Western portion of the site area and to

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the south on this map contains the purpose ecological new

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ecological linkage and stormwater management facilities. Staff will review the

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land use compatibility, viability of the ecological linkage swap. Site

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design access arrangements building placement, open spaces and pedestren connections

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through the application review process. Another cities official plan. The

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lands are currently designated industrial and significant natural areas and

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natural areas. The surrounding context includes additional industrial designations, natural

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heritage areas, open space and parks and residential neighbourhoods. The

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application is requesting an official plan amendment to readesignate portion

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of the lens to hide density residential and significant natural

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areas and natural areas. This amendment is intended to facilitate

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the proposed residential development while identifying lands for the proposed

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ecological linkage. The application is also a requesting site -

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specific official plan policies, including permission for townhouse - built

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forms in addition to currently permitted uses under high -

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density residential designation, building height ranging from 3 to 16

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stories. Net residential densities ranging from a minimum of 100

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to a maximum of 160 units per hectare. And the

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class 4 noise area designation in accordance with NPC 300

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guidelines. Under the cities 2023 conference was zoning by -

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law. The lands are currently zoned part industrial and part

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natural heritage system. The reasoning application proposed to proposes to

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zone 260 and 280 clairroad west to a site -

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specific high - density residential 7 zoning with a holding

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provision and natural - headed zoning. Lens on 950 Southgate

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Drive are proposed to remain industrial zone with an expansion

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to current natural heritage system Zond lands. In addition to

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the proposed Zone Change, the application includes several site -

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specific zoning reliefs. This includes permitting various townhouse - built

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forms not currently permitted in the RH7 zone. Increasing maximum

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density from 150 units per hectare to 154 units per

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hectare, increasing maximum building height from 10 to 16 stories

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and removing maximum floor plate requirements for apartment buildings. Additionally,

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the site - specific policy includes eliminating prescribed setback requirement,

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step back requirements, reducing common amenity area requirement from required

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20 square metres per unit to 18. 1 square metre

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per unit. And reducing parking requirement to a minimum of

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1. 1 space per dwelling unit. The application is also

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requesting a holding provision on the lands 266 and 280

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Claire Road West. The purpose of the holding provision is

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to ensure that development does not proceed until specific conditions

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are satisfied. This conditions include completion of the required land

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exchange and establishment of lands intended for the ecological linkage

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and provision of commitment that at least 50 percent of

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proposed dwelling units will be maintained as affordable housing at

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level 6 seeding the CMHC's definition of affordability.

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The rendering shown on the following few slides illustrates the

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applicant's current vision of the development from several vantage points.

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The images are conceptual and are intended to demonstrate the

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proposed build from massing and relationship of the apartment building

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and townhouse units within the site and to immediate context.

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The first image is a view, a reel view from

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the Claire Road West. This is a CDView of the

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interior of the site. And the next one is overlooking

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at the site from a distance. I have identified several

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key issues that will form part of the review of

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this application. First is the employment line conversion. The proposal

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involves the conversion of conversion of approximately 4. 65 hectares

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of designated employment lands to residential use. Due to a

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loss of approximately nine hectares of employment lands in GID

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and another two hectors at 81 Royal Road preserving employment

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lands for cities long - term employment needs is essential.

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Staff will assess the proposed employment and conversion in respect

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to its conformity with provincial planning statement policies. And official

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plan employment land policies and cities future employment land needs.

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Next is Impact on the JSON Industrial Uses. Star will

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evaluate whether the proposed residential development could impact existing or

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future industrial operations in the surrounding areas and whether appropriate

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mitigation measures can address compatibility concerns due to the number

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and type of existing lawfully established Industrial uses and the

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elevator deceptor at the proposed development source - based mitigation

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measures are not feasible. Hence the class for noise class

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for noise classification is requested for this development. For the

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proposed development in addition to noise mitigation measures such as

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noise wall, the upgraded building construction and supplied ventilation and

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air conditioning system. Several warning clauses may also be required.

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Next issue is the ecological linkage conformity. The ecological linkage

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is proposed to be relocated and reduced in width. Furthermore

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the stormwater management facility for the new development is proposed

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to be within the lands dedicated for the ecological linkage

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which may require access to the linkage for maintenance purposes.

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Through the review process staff will assess the proposal to

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ensure that the ecological function overall connectivity and long -

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term integrity of the ecological linkage are maintained or enhanced.

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Next is private infrastructure on future city lands. The stormwater

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management facility for the proposed development are located within lands

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designated as ecological linkage and anticipated to be under City

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ownership. This raises concerns regarding occupiers'liability risk to the city.

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This matters will also be evaluated through staff review. Finally

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staff will review all applicable policies and regulations including the

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provincial planning statement, the city's official plan, development engineering manual

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and zoning by - law for the overall site layout,

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built form parking provisions and pedestrian connectivity. Furthermore as the

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development is proposed to be affordable dwelling units. The policy

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review will also confirm that the proposed affordable housing model

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meets the Cities oficial Plant Policies and Provincial Bulletting Requirements.

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With this I will conclude my presentation. Uh, the application

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remains under Review. The N - staff will continue evaluating

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the proposal technical studies agency comments public input received today

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and Council Feedback receive today before bringing a recommendation report

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forward at a future council meeting. Residents wishing to stay

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informed or receive notice of future decisions regarding this application

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may contact the City Clerk's office at clerks at 12.

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ca. And that thank you Medica3 and I'm available for

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any questions Council may have now or after hearing delegation.

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Great, thank you. You did a great job with the

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overview of what's in front of us. Thank you very

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much. We'll save questions maybe just after all the delegations.

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So thank you very much again. And speaking of delegations,

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here we go. Uh, so, uh, the delegations. I did

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the math. If every single one of the delegations takes

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10 minutes, which you're allowed to do. And the questions

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were here for two hours and 40 minutes. Okay? Which

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is fine. That's the way the process works. It's fine.

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But I just want to make sure everyone kind of

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knows that just to kind of settle in. And maybe

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this is your first time in the room, but my

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colleagues and others will know that I've said this before.

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And I don't mean it with any ill will in

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any way. But if the person ahead of you kind

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of said what you were thinking, you can say ditto.

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Okay, we gotcha. Okay. But we also recognise that you've

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probably taken the time to prepare. To make sure your

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presentation is ready for us. And we want you to

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make sure that we're not trying to cut you off

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either, of course. You have up to 10 minutes, okay?

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After you're done. There will be an opportunity for myself,

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for my colleagues to maybe ask a question if they

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have one. So just make sure you stick around for

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a moment before I kind of dismiss you and we

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go to the next person. Uh, you will hear a

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chime. At the nine minute and 30 second mark. Which

476
01:45:40,899 --> 01:45:43,118
is your heads up. You only got 30 seconds left.

477
01:45:44,172 --> 01:45:48,771
And at 10 minutes, your microphone gets turned off. And

478
01:45:48,771 --> 01:45:51,431
we don't want that, okay? So make sure you wrap

479
01:45:51,431 --> 01:45:53,831
up. You got the warning, make sure you wrap up.

480
01:45:54,732 --> 01:45:58,791
Um, I think that's good. After that delegations that I

481
01:45:58,791 --> 01:46:01,064
have on the list are done. Just like the last

482
01:46:01,085 --> 01:46:03,144
one, I have to ask to see if thebody else

483
01:46:03,245 --> 01:46:05,624
that wants to talk. Or if thebody else that wants

484
01:46:05,624 --> 01:46:08,725
to call in and talk. Uh, before we even get

485
01:46:08,765 --> 01:46:12,645
to questions of us to be discussion, things like that.

486
01:46:12,685 --> 01:46:14,965
And a reminder right off the top, we're not making

487
01:46:15,146 --> 01:46:19,839
any decisions tonight. Okay. This is just, this is the

488
01:46:19,860 --> 01:46:22,799
public meeting to hear about it. And we're receiving the

489
01:46:22,900 --> 01:46:26,159
application just to hear more about it, to get feedback.

490
01:46:26,159 --> 01:46:29,676
Okay. We're not making any decisions tonight. I think I've

491
01:46:29,716 --> 01:46:32,260
covered that off pretty good. So just be aware time

492
01:46:32,281 --> 01:46:35,060
and be aware of how we're moving things through. Okay.

493
01:46:35,241 --> 01:46:39,321
So the first one is Hugh Handy. From the GSP

494
01:46:39,342 --> 01:46:47,370
Group. Is coming down. And is Mike Lab here. Okay.

495
01:46:47,391 --> 01:46:50,590
You're in the wings. Okay. Thank you very much Hugh

496
01:46:50,611 --> 01:46:53,150
whenever you know the role, the Reagan role. You've been

497
01:46:53,150 --> 01:46:55,470
here before. So I'll turn over to you when you're

498
01:46:55,470 --> 01:47:02,547
ready. Thank you Mayor Guthrie. Members of Council staff members

499
01:47:02,547 --> 01:47:06,147
of the public attending, both in person and virtually. My

500
01:47:06,147 --> 01:47:09,107
name is Hugh Handy and I'm Lanji's Planner and Vice

501
01:47:09,128 --> 01:47:14,787
President with GSP Group. I'm here this afternoon. On behalf

502
01:47:14,808 --> 01:47:22,227
of the Ontario Limited Company 2742707. The owners of the

503
01:47:22,267 --> 01:47:28,597
property, Home Opportunities. And the TDL Group. On the screen

504
01:47:28,858 --> 01:47:32,357
is the nature of the application and the properties that

505
01:47:32,538 --> 01:47:41,972
Mr. Shaw has given you an overview this evening. I

506
01:47:41,972 --> 01:47:46,052
also have with me this evening, Michael Whitmer, who is

507
01:47:46,052 --> 01:47:48,292
in the front row and a senior planner with our

508
01:47:48,313 --> 01:47:52,132
firm, who's been working with me closely on the application.

509
01:47:52,132 --> 01:47:57,133
I've John Farley. And Mike LaBay, both with Home Opportunities.

510
01:47:57,133 --> 01:47:59,773
You'll hear from Mike LaBay next in more detail on

511
01:47:59,874 --> 01:48:03,853
affordable housing. Nature of the project. I also have Jake

512
01:48:03,954 --> 01:48:08,093
Houskin's with Dylan Counterpoint Engineering. Our Civil Engineer on the

513
01:48:08,133 --> 01:48:12,813
Project. I also have Stali, who is with north -

514
01:48:12,813 --> 01:48:17,132
south environmental, our natural heritage consultant. I also have another

515
01:48:17,793 --> 01:48:19,932
number of other consultants that are listed on the bottom

516
01:48:19,972 --> 01:48:24,092
that were part of the Project Team for this project.

517
01:48:25,317 --> 01:48:28,976
Also on the right, just so the public is aware.

518
01:48:28,976 --> 01:48:32,816
This is also all the documents are on the website

519
01:48:34,597 --> 01:48:36,896
for the municipality in terms of materials that have been

520
01:48:36,997 --> 01:48:45,883
submitted with the application. The site context, Mr. Nunn, has

521
01:48:45,883 --> 01:48:49,883
gone through in detail, um, overall it's about 35 hectares

522
01:48:50,384 --> 01:48:55,543
as he's indicated frontage on Claire and Southgate Drive, two

523
01:48:55,543 --> 01:48:58,316
bus routes service the property. It's also in an area

524
01:48:58,356 --> 01:49:05,356
that's about 800 metres from the Claire Gordon intersection and

525
01:49:05,356 --> 01:49:10,856
the node that is there with commercial activities, retail, uh,

526
01:49:10,897 --> 01:49:14,636
it's also as part, which you'll hear my presentation is

527
01:49:14,657 --> 01:49:18,236
near employment, uh, and that is important as well near

528
01:49:18,337 --> 01:49:21,436
Park schools and other amenities that are part of the

529
01:49:21,697 --> 01:49:31,472
south end. The development posal and this new community, uh,

530
01:49:31,593 --> 01:49:36,372
would be a product, dwelling units and about a thousand

531
01:49:36,372 --> 01:49:40,452
parking spaces and we'll have a significant affordable housing contribution

532
01:49:40,553 --> 01:49:44,700
as part of this. I've colour coded the site plan

533
01:49:44,740 --> 01:49:50,600
that you saw with Mr. Shaw had provided previously. And

534
01:49:50,600 --> 01:49:53,100
I'll just go over that in a bit of detail.

535
01:49:53,100 --> 01:49:57,500
Tower A is the yellow. That's the 16 story apartment

536
01:49:57,540 --> 01:50:01,100
tower, tower B is an orange. It's a 14 story.

537
01:50:01,749 --> 01:50:06,792
The back to back, uh, townhouses are in purple. On

538
01:50:06,792 --> 01:50:11,589
the diagram Stocktown houses in blue. Uh, the parking structure

539
01:50:11,629 --> 01:50:17,477
is the pink on the diagram. There is about 960

540
01:50:17,517 --> 01:50:22,959
spaces in there. 89 spaces, um, on surface parking lot.

541
01:50:22,959 --> 01:50:25,679
And that will be closer to Claire Road, as well

542
01:50:25,679 --> 01:50:28,319
as lay - by parking on some of the internal

543
01:50:28,500 --> 01:50:33,606
roads. The Ecological linkage is in tan, and that is

544
01:50:33,787 --> 01:50:37,126
at the bottom of the diagram. It's also two access

545
01:50:37,227 --> 01:50:41,046
roads in, one at the south end of, or sorry,

546
01:50:41,147 --> 01:50:43,086
at the bottom end of the drawing just north of

547
01:50:43,086 --> 01:50:47,046
the Ecolog east of the ecological linkage is the main

548
01:50:47,227 --> 01:50:50,726
driveway. And then an emergency access would be closer to

549
01:50:51,307 --> 01:51:00,687
Bishop McDonald. The development proposal, as Mr. Shaw, has indicated

550
01:51:01,348 --> 01:51:05,647
the gradual change in density. So the lower density would

551
01:51:05,687 --> 01:51:09,327
be towards Clair Road and building up to the rear

552
01:51:09,367 --> 01:51:12,367
of the site where the buildings and parking structure would

553
01:51:12,407 --> 01:51:16,767
be providing a gradient of uses and the higher density

554
01:51:17,348 --> 01:51:21,487
near the rear of the site. Um, this just in

555
01:51:21,487 --> 01:51:25,887
again, Tower A, just for reference is a 16, 14.

556
01:51:25,887 --> 01:51:30,447
And then the, uh, lower three and four story townhouses

557
01:51:30,487 --> 01:51:34,114
would be at the front of the site. Ecological linkage

558
01:51:34,154 --> 01:51:43,242
to the right. So the existing policy context has, Mr.

559
01:51:43,263 --> 01:51:45,962
Shaw has gone over in some detail. I'll just give

560
01:51:46,002 --> 01:51:48,042
you maybe some of the highlights. And then if there's

561
01:51:48,063 --> 01:51:53,002
questions, uh, I can take those through my delegation. Uh,

562
01:51:53,042 --> 01:51:56,042
but it's within the built - up area. It's part

563
01:51:56,042 --> 01:52:00,202
of the employment areas and industrial. There's significant natural heritage

564
01:52:00,242 --> 01:52:04,442
areas and the ecological linkage. Uh, there's also, as part

565
01:52:04,442 --> 01:52:08,602
of this, uh, the, uh, zone is P1 conservation and

566
01:52:08,642 --> 01:52:13,862
urban reserve. And as well, that's in the 95, but

567
01:52:13,862 --> 01:52:17,802
we're also dealing with a 2023 now currently be industrial

568
01:52:18,143 --> 01:52:25,957
and NHS. The main, uh, issues or policy objectives, as

569
01:52:25,957 --> 01:52:30,477
Mr. Shaw has indicated, are really moving, uh, from the

570
01:52:30,498 --> 01:52:34,720
redesignation of employment to residential. And as you move across

571
01:52:35,061 --> 01:52:39,680
the screen, your removing it from employment, putting it into

572
01:52:39,861 --> 01:52:43,840
high density residential, moving the linkage, then to the, to

573
01:52:43,880 --> 01:52:46,080
the left of the screen. And that's kind of following

574
01:52:46,261 --> 01:52:51,364
along from right or from left to right. There's a

575
01:52:51,364 --> 01:52:55,684
long history through OPA 80, which this sum of Council

576
01:52:55,724 --> 01:52:58,644
will be aware of, uh, that this was discussed in

577
01:52:58,665 --> 01:53:05,444
this Chamber moving through that process to designate to residential.

578
01:53:05,444 --> 01:53:08,884
Uh, and then ultimately this reverted back to the current

579
01:53:08,985 --> 01:53:13,424
designations. And hence the reason this application came forward, uh,

580
01:53:13,625 --> 01:53:18,325
to look at this in more detail. Uh, number two,

581
01:53:18,325 --> 01:53:24,325
uh, official plan policies indicate that, uh, policy, you can

582
01:53:24,325 --> 01:53:26,965
move a linkage. It could reduce the size of that

583
01:53:26,986 --> 01:53:30,405
corridor, but that also requires an EIS to look at

584
01:53:30,506 --> 01:53:38,930
the, uh, the location and impacts. Thank you, Mr. Anand

585
01:53:38,970 --> 01:53:41,730
has gone over this slide. So I'll just skip over

586
01:53:41,831 --> 01:53:44,050
the site - specific policies, but there are a number

587
01:53:44,050 --> 01:53:49,482
of policies that we're looking to change. Zoning by -

588
01:53:49,482 --> 01:53:54,522
law amendment will also add a number of site -

589
01:53:54,522 --> 01:53:59,962
specific regulations. Some of those are noted, or they are

590
01:53:59,962 --> 01:54:03,882
noted on the screen. Um, as part of our application.

591
01:54:07,840 --> 01:54:15,819
Zoning Bylaw Amendment also proposes a holding provision, which Mr.

592
01:54:15,859 --> 01:54:18,059
Shaw has gone through one of them related to the

593
01:54:18,160 --> 01:54:23,259
natural heritage system and the movement to the west of

594
01:54:23,259 --> 01:54:32,299
the site. And then ensuring that there is exceeding the

595
01:54:32,339 --> 01:54:36,039
CMHC's definition for affordable housing. And I just mentioned, uh,

596
01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:38,459
Mike Le Bay will be up next to talking a

597
01:54:38,459 --> 01:54:43,813
little more to that. I wanted to touch on a

598
01:54:43,813 --> 01:54:48,533
few things as part of our delegation Taiwin Thomas is

599
01:54:48,533 --> 01:54:57,253
our economist on this project. He had a family celebration

600
01:54:57,253 --> 01:54:59,493
of life in the US and couldn't be here with

601
01:54:59,533 --> 01:55:02,293
us tonight. So I'm going to try not to dance

602
01:55:02,474 --> 01:55:05,813
too far into what the economist does. Uh, but I

603
01:55:05,813 --> 01:55:09,493
think the important point here are that in terms of

604
01:55:09,533 --> 01:55:14,453
this site, warehousing and transportation, uh, we feel that we'd

605
01:55:14,453 --> 01:55:23,093
create, uh, use on the site. You might be getting

606
01:55:23,114 --> 01:55:27,772
up into 80 or 100 jobs. The City, we know

607
01:55:27,793 --> 01:55:32,732
is updating its economic land strategy, uh, to comply with

608
01:55:33,153 --> 01:55:38,638
or conform with provincial legislation. Uh, urban metrics has looked

609
01:55:38,638 --> 01:55:42,318
at things initially and feels and suggests that changes could

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01:55:42,339 --> 01:55:45,598
result in a surplus of employment land. That's noted on

611
01:55:45,598 --> 01:55:51,244
the right in the second bullet. Um, key finding, um,

612
01:55:52,965 --> 01:55:56,144
on this land, it would reduce obviously the estimated employment

613
01:55:56,165 --> 01:55:59,854
land for about five hectares. There's, in our opinion, in

614
01:56:00,115 --> 01:56:03,374
our metrics opinion, there's no material impact to the city's

615
01:56:03,374 --> 01:56:08,014
ability to achieve its overall, uh, employment goal. And it

616
01:56:08,014 --> 01:56:13,694
has the potential, um, obviously to, we're in going to

617
01:56:13,694 --> 01:56:15,934
be looking and continue to look and work with staff

618
01:56:16,755 --> 01:56:19,454
on protecting the industries, uh, that is all part of

619
01:56:19,475 --> 01:56:23,774
this application. Uh, that it's geared to workforce housing to

620
01:56:23,795 --> 01:56:26,734
try and ensure that the businesses that are there and

621
01:56:26,835 --> 01:56:31,054
the importance of Denzo TDL, Linamar, others who are all

622
01:56:31,054 --> 01:56:37,488
part of that. Um, there's hundreds of local jobs during

623
01:56:37,989 --> 01:56:43,316
the development phase of this. There's 470 affordable units. And

624
01:56:43,737 --> 01:56:53,694
the annual tax revenue. I

625
01:56:53,734 --> 01:56:57,354
touched on the Environmental linkage, the importance of that, uh,

626
01:56:57,354 --> 01:57:07,040
to the site to our city of Connecting. That's. For

627
01:57:07,040 --> 01:57:10,680
your presentation. Just before you come up, uh, Mike, if

628
01:57:10,680 --> 01:57:13,420
you don't mind, just stole back for a second. Um,

629
01:57:13,701 --> 01:57:16,160
you're any questions just to you at this point or

630
01:57:16,200 --> 01:57:20,117
do you want to move on. Uh, we'll go to

631
01:57:20,618 --> 01:57:24,597
Councillor Karan. And then did you have question two Councillor

632
01:57:24,637 --> 01:57:27,237
Hauser? I think I saw Councillor Alt. So those three.

633
01:57:27,237 --> 01:57:30,117
Okay. Go ahead. Uh, thanks. I have a few questions

634
01:57:30,458 --> 01:57:31,717
and I'm not sure if you're the one I should

635
01:57:31,757 --> 01:57:33,557
address them to. So if they're not just say it's

636
01:57:33,557 --> 01:57:36,997
coming in a later presentation, um, you said you're representing

637
01:57:37,037 --> 01:57:41,157
the ownership group, The Owner and TDL. Uh, so that's

638
01:57:41,578 --> 01:57:43,957
a bit of a mixed bag. So TDL is the

639
01:57:43,978 --> 01:57:47,477
adjacent industrial owner. What stake do they have in this

640
01:57:47,578 --> 01:57:52,258
application? Is it mostly, uh, the mitigation piece. Uh, through

641
01:57:52,519 --> 01:57:56,658
your worship to the Councillor, as part of the, bringing

642
01:57:56,658 --> 01:58:00,798
forward the application, uh, we worked with City staff, uh,

643
01:58:00,999 --> 01:58:05,218
on some of the initial comments, uh, in relation to

644
01:58:05,319 --> 01:58:08,498
the movement of the ecological linkage that we then had

645
01:58:08,599 --> 01:58:12,898
further discussions with, uh, TDL, uh, to bring their land

646
01:58:12,999 --> 01:58:16,658
in as part of that, uh, the linkage then as

647
01:58:16,698 --> 01:58:21,378
part of this application would be relocated on TDL's land.

648
01:58:21,378 --> 01:58:23,938
And that is really the essence. So I appreciate the

649
01:58:24,199 --> 01:58:29,378
question. Yeah. Uh, of why TDL is involved. Um, as

650
01:58:29,399 --> 01:58:31,778
well, I mean, the lines of communication have been open

651
01:58:31,799 --> 01:58:34,978
with TDL for them to understand the application as well.

652
01:58:35,639 --> 01:58:39,298
As part of it, but that's really the connection on

653
01:58:39,298 --> 01:58:41,378
the aerial. I saw that there was kind of a

654
01:58:41,418 --> 01:58:43,538
piece of another piece of land. So that makes sense.

655
01:58:43,719 --> 01:58:46,738
Um, a lot of the conversation in your presentation was

656
01:58:46,759 --> 01:58:51,378
about the provision of affordable housing. Did you anticipate or

657
01:58:51,418 --> 01:58:55,458
is your ownership group and your client expecting that we

658
01:58:55,498 --> 01:59:00,498
would add a condition to the zoning that it be,

659
01:59:00,498 --> 01:59:02,978
um, affordable housing or certain percentage. And the reason I

660
01:59:03,018 --> 01:59:05,938
asked that is that we have in our community a

661
01:59:05,938 --> 01:59:09,218
lot of concern about, um, I don't know what else

662
01:59:09,258 --> 01:59:11,618
to call it, but bait and switch that they get

663
01:59:11,719 --> 01:59:14,338
landed, you get land use zoning. And then it's repurposed

664
01:59:14,519 --> 01:59:17,218
or resold to another owner. And I just, I think

665
01:59:17,258 --> 01:59:22,658
that's a really good conversation to add to the first

666
01:59:22,698 --> 01:59:25,058
meeting under the planning act is whether or not that's

667
01:59:25,058 --> 01:59:28,898
a condition that your ownership client would be willing to,

668
01:59:28,938 --> 01:59:33,370
to put on title. Through your worship to the Councillor,

669
01:59:33,711 --> 01:59:37,130
that is what we've brought forward to ensure that there

670
01:59:37,130 --> 01:59:41,210
is no bait and switch that we agree with the

671
01:59:41,250 --> 01:59:44,730
terms of that in order to provide. And Mr. Laybei

672
01:59:44,831 --> 01:59:47,130
will talk more to that, uh, by way of his

673
01:59:47,170 --> 01:59:51,210
presentation. Okay. Great. Thanks. And then I know you expect

674
01:59:51,231 --> 01:59:53,450
this Mr. Handy, but I always ask a question about

675
01:59:53,711 --> 01:59:56,810
how this will help us achieve our community energy goals

676
01:59:57,311 --> 02:00:00,730
is that, um, under your presentation or will there be

677
02:00:00,730 --> 02:00:04,410
someone else who will be addressing? I'll, uh, maybe try

678
02:00:04,410 --> 02:00:08,290
to address that, uh, to the Councillor in terms of

679
02:00:08,831 --> 02:00:12,730
this Kiwi Newton, uh, will be involved in the project.

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02:00:12,730 --> 02:00:15,610
It's intentionally, I think there's, uh, letter within your package

681
02:00:16,351 --> 02:00:23,210
talking about how, uh, their building fabrication and will address

682
02:00:23,631 --> 02:00:26,810
that. But of course, and maybe I've answered this the

683
02:00:26,810 --> 02:00:30,010
same way through detailed design. We'll be looking to continue

684
02:00:30,671 --> 02:00:33,370
efforts to address that. Okay. Thanks. And I know that's

685
02:00:33,391 --> 02:00:36,090
a site that plan issue. Mr. Mayor, but I always

686
02:00:36,130 --> 02:00:37,770
ask a question and it's good to have that on

687
02:00:37,810 --> 02:00:41,002
the public record. So thanks. I wouldn't allow the meeting

688
02:00:41,042 --> 02:00:43,802
to go further if you hadn't asked that question. Yeah.

689
02:00:44,063 --> 02:00:46,442
No, those sounds good. Uh, and then Hauser and then

690
02:00:46,543 --> 02:00:51,278
Alt. Thank you through the mayor. Um, on I just

691
02:00:51,318 --> 02:00:54,318
wanted to ask a question about the, uh, ecological linkage

692
02:00:54,659 --> 02:00:59,358
on your fifth slide. There's a picture of the rendering

693
02:00:59,398 --> 02:01:04,035
from Clair Road. And the ecological linkage list looks like,

694
02:01:04,035 --> 02:01:06,995
um, like green space. Will it be green space or

695
02:01:07,035 --> 02:01:09,715
will it be like protected and fenced off? Like will

696
02:01:09,755 --> 02:01:11,235
they be able to use it or will it be

697
02:01:11,816 --> 02:01:16,530
completely protected. Uh, through your worship to the Councillor, it

698
02:01:16,530 --> 02:01:20,150
will be protected. It will, uh, be fenced off. Um,

699
02:01:20,751 --> 02:01:24,730
and, uh, we'll be revegeted or vegetated as well as

700
02:01:24,770 --> 02:01:29,570
part of that. Um, I can have our cell. Do

701
02:01:29,570 --> 02:01:32,050
you want to come up and talk to detail? Or

702
02:01:32,050 --> 02:01:39,820
if, if allowable. Just to make sure I'm. Hopefully I

703
02:01:39,820 --> 02:01:46,954
haven't stepped off in the wrong direction, but. Thank you,

704
02:01:46,954 --> 02:01:49,914
Mr. Mayor. Uh, I'm Sos Vitali Senior Colleges with North

705
02:01:49,954 --> 02:01:53,034
South Environmental and did the Environmental Impact Study, uh, for

706
02:01:53,135 --> 02:01:56,914
this application. So through you, Mr. Mayor, uh, yeah, so

707
02:01:57,375 --> 02:02:01,500
you already mentioned it would be fenced. A naturally vegetated,

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02:02:01,500 --> 02:02:03,260
some of it is, but it will be enhanced and

709
02:02:03,300 --> 02:02:06,933
restored in areas that are currently under agricultural production. And

710
02:02:07,034 --> 02:02:10,533
the intention is intended to maintain. Be maintained as a

711
02:02:10,573 --> 02:02:14,453
wildlife corridor, uh, and so we've considered the wildlife that

712
02:02:14,453 --> 02:02:16,693
might be using it. The vegetation that should be planted

713
02:02:16,794 --> 02:02:21,493
there and how it should function recognising it's being moved,

714
02:02:21,493 --> 02:02:24,453
uh, from what it's currently map does to the location

715
02:02:24,453 --> 02:02:28,293
to the west and recognising it's also being narrowed from

716
02:02:29,034 --> 02:02:31,733
what was initially mapped in the official plan at a

717
02:02:31,733 --> 02:02:34,853
hundred metres to 60 metres in width. And we did

718
02:02:35,034 --> 02:02:37,873
our study to look at if that was appropriate, how

719
02:02:37,873 --> 02:02:40,453
it would function to maintain the movement for wildlife through

720
02:02:40,493 --> 02:02:45,470
that corridor. If I may, um, will there be a

721
02:02:45,891 --> 02:02:47,950
fence across the road as well or that would be

722
02:02:47,950 --> 02:02:50,910
open so they can cross through you, Mr. Mayor Mayor.

723
02:02:50,910 --> 02:02:54,190
Yes. It would be open. And there's also a note

724
02:02:54,190 --> 02:02:57,390
or a discussion in our environmental impact study that speaks

725
02:02:57,430 --> 02:03:02,510
to, uh, mitigation measures for wildlife movement, uh, majority wildlife

726
02:03:02,931 --> 02:03:05,390
we expect to use it are large to medium and

727
02:03:05,430 --> 02:03:09,870
small mammals. Um, so we would be making recommendations for

728
02:03:10,371 --> 02:03:14,430
signage, possibly flashing lights at night, uh, indicating that there's

729
02:03:14,451 --> 02:03:18,170
potential for deer movement across there and recommendation for, uh,

730
02:03:18,211 --> 02:03:21,850
a small culvert under the road for smaller mammals, uh,

731
02:03:21,850 --> 02:03:24,670
but it is intended to remain open to allow wildlife

732
02:03:24,691 --> 02:03:29,967
to move. Thank you very much. And just so you

733
02:03:29,967 --> 02:03:35,001
know, the signs aren't for the animals. It's not directional

734
02:03:35,041 --> 02:03:39,801
for them. Okay. Um, could you just stick with me

735
02:03:39,822 --> 02:03:42,441
for a moment? I'm going to go to Councillor Alt,

736
02:03:42,441 --> 02:03:44,201
but Councillor Downer, I think has a question that might

737
02:03:44,222 --> 02:03:47,161
involve you as well. So I'll go to Councillor Alt,

738
02:03:47,161 --> 02:03:49,241
then go to Councillor Downer. Okay. Go ahead. Yeah. Thank

739
02:03:49,241 --> 02:03:51,561
you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, for. Okay. I will go

740
02:03:51,601 --> 02:03:53,881
to you first because you're at the microphone. No, it's

741
02:03:53,881 --> 02:03:56,601
okay. Councillor Al is very accommodating. I know that already.

742
02:03:56,601 --> 02:03:58,281
So Councillor Downer, you go first and then I'll go

743
02:03:58,281 --> 02:04:01,761
to Councillor. Thank you for the accommodation. Um, yeah, I

744
02:04:01,761 --> 02:04:05,161
had a question around the linkage too. Um, I noticed

745
02:04:05,182 --> 02:04:07,961
the two questions. I have one, it's, it's slightly offset

746
02:04:08,062 --> 02:04:10,041
from across the road. Is that going to be a

747
02:04:10,041 --> 02:04:13,401
problem? It's not like currently where it is, it's completely

748
02:04:13,742 --> 02:04:19,480
right across. But now moving it puts it halfway. Where

749
02:04:19,520 --> 02:04:21,560
the other side is. Is that, is that an issue

750
02:04:21,581 --> 02:04:25,560
in these issues? Three, Mr. Mayor, uh, to the Councillor

751
02:04:28,141 --> 02:04:31,480
directly with, uh, what we're recommending even on the other

752
02:04:31,501 --> 02:04:35,071
side, the north side of Clair Road. Again, it's mapped

753
02:04:36,052 --> 02:04:38,351
even on the north side of Clair Road towards the

754
02:04:38,372 --> 02:04:41,791
east of what is a natural area or naturally vegetated

755
02:04:41,791 --> 02:04:45,711
area. We're recommending it to be widened to entirely overlap

756
02:04:46,212 --> 02:04:48,671
with the linkage on the side of the road. Okay.

757
02:04:48,671 --> 02:04:53,151
That helps. Um, now, so there's also, um, one of

758
02:04:53,191 --> 02:04:56,431
the key issues and considerations in this, in this slides

759
02:04:56,431 --> 02:05:00,671
we just saw was around the stormwater management being part

760
02:05:00,711 --> 02:05:03,071
of this linkage. Could you, could you sort of explain

761
02:05:03,092 --> 02:05:06,311
that? And I mean, the concern around that is, is

762
02:05:06,311 --> 02:05:08,271
that going to be able to be worked out or

763
02:05:08,292 --> 02:05:11,311
like, how is that going to be working? Just in

764
02:05:11,332 --> 02:05:15,071
layman terms, please. Yes. Through you, Mr. Mayor and myself

765
02:05:15,172 --> 02:05:19,551
not being the stormwater engineer, also speak about it in

766
02:05:19,652 --> 02:05:23,551
layman terms. From my perspective as any collegist. So our

767
02:05:23,591 --> 02:05:27,391
first priority in the linkage and its form and function

768
02:05:27,972 --> 02:05:31,471
was that it be maintained and enhanced to provide that

769
02:05:31,572 --> 02:05:37,551
function. A recognising that, uh, the policies permit or provide

770
02:05:37,652 --> 02:05:42,271
opportunities for stormwater management within linkages. Again, so long as

771
02:05:42,271 --> 02:05:45,711
the form and function isn't impacted. And that's something that

772
02:05:45,892 --> 02:05:49,151
we're looking at working with staff to make sure that

773
02:05:50,052 --> 02:05:52,911
that is the intent and that is achieved through the

774
02:05:53,092 --> 02:05:57,071
design. And of course working with our engineer, civil engineer

775
02:05:57,572 --> 02:06:02,365
to have that achieve those objectives. Thank you. And Councillor

776
02:06:02,405 --> 02:06:06,796
Al, please. And thank you Mayor Guthrie. And I think

777
02:06:06,836 --> 02:06:12,156
Mike Carson's probably for Mr. Vatali as well. Um, uh,

778
02:06:12,817 --> 02:06:17,656
my questions do focus primarily on the ecological linkage. And

779
02:06:18,337 --> 02:06:22,556
I hope you'll pardon my, my ignorance. Um, I'm having

780
02:06:23,217 --> 02:06:29,036
some challenges understanding how an ecological linkage could be removed

781
02:06:30,017 --> 02:06:34,236
and then added. That strikes me as destroying an ecological

782
02:06:34,497 --> 02:06:38,956
linkage and then substituting it was something else. So I'm

783
02:06:38,956 --> 02:06:41,036
all in favor of the ecological link. I just want

784
02:06:41,036 --> 02:06:44,663
you to clarify. How do you do that. Yes. Through

785
02:06:44,663 --> 02:06:47,303
you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, that's a great question. Um, so

786
02:06:49,084 --> 02:06:51,543
the ecological linkage as it was mapped in the official

787
02:06:51,644 --> 02:06:55,383
plan was done at a relatively high level. And it

788
02:06:55,383 --> 02:07:00,103
was done with no studies or scientific studies ground truthing.

789
02:07:00,103 --> 02:07:03,463
It was done at a desktop high level to identify

790
02:07:03,564 --> 02:07:08,323
the need for that linkage through that area. Notwithstanding, uh,

791
02:07:09,084 --> 02:07:11,863
the part of it being farmed, uh, currently. And in

792
02:07:11,903 --> 02:07:15,703
the past. And it's a previous history. So through our

793
02:07:15,743 --> 02:07:19,783
study, we looked at that area, the vegetation and considered

794
02:07:19,783 --> 02:07:22,983
the wildlife that would be using it. So, uh, it's

795
02:07:23,004 --> 02:07:25,943
not that the linkage is being destroyed in terms of

796
02:07:25,964 --> 02:07:30,183
its current form or function. It's the movement of the

797
02:07:30,284 --> 02:07:33,703
linkage to the west side will still maintain that function.

798
02:07:33,703 --> 02:07:36,503
And as I mentioned, it's primarily for large mammals such

799
02:07:36,503 --> 02:07:41,623
as deer, possibly coyotes, raccoons skunk so on. Um, so

800
02:07:41,964 --> 02:07:46,583
that function won't change. And through the vegetation, that will

801
02:07:46,583 --> 02:07:50,103
be planted on the west side. It will be enhanced.

802
02:07:50,684 --> 02:07:54,745
It's a bit of a matrix of cultural meadow. Agricultural

803
02:07:54,846 --> 02:07:59,111
land and thicket. The entirety of the linkage would be

804
02:07:59,212 --> 02:08:05,031
vegetated. And with native vegetation, trees, shrubs, and other native,

805
02:08:05,031 --> 02:08:11,031
uh, grasses and wildflowers. So it did linkages and destroyed.

806
02:08:11,031 --> 02:08:13,111
And I would suggest that the linkage itself would be

807
02:08:13,212 --> 02:08:16,391
planted as a part of phasing to ensure that that

808
02:08:16,492 --> 02:08:20,871
function doesn't cease through any part of the development of

809
02:08:21,212 --> 02:08:25,671
the lands. It's maintained during that time. So there isn't

810
02:08:25,711 --> 02:08:29,831
a break in habitat connectivity, uh, during the construction of

811
02:08:30,012 --> 02:08:34,231
the, and the development of the lance. Okay. Actually, that

812
02:08:34,231 --> 02:08:38,031
raised another question for me. You use the word, I

813
02:08:38,031 --> 02:08:41,591
believe it was should or that you think it would,

814
02:08:41,591 --> 02:08:44,871
um, I'm going to be a little emphatic here. It

815
02:08:44,911 --> 02:08:50,034
could not be, must be maintained. That's fair to say

816
02:08:50,855 --> 02:08:53,634
through you, Mr. Mayor. So you're suggesting that yes, it

817
02:08:53,674 --> 02:08:55,874
must be maintained. The linkage in its form and function

818
02:08:56,295 --> 02:08:59,314
must be maintained. And that's the intent of the design

819
02:09:00,215 --> 02:09:02,994
and how it would be planted and how it would

820
02:09:03,034 --> 02:09:06,194
function for the future. Yeah. And I thank you for

821
02:09:06,234 --> 02:09:10,034
that. Uh, when I first got married, I actually lived

822
02:09:10,055 --> 02:09:13,874
in a farm on that property and actually did farm

823
02:09:13,874 --> 02:09:16,354
some of that land. So the next question is really

824
02:09:16,354 --> 02:09:20,738
important to me. There are a number of catalakes in

825
02:09:20,738 --> 02:09:24,178
that area. And there's clearly a very, uh, vibrant aquifer

826
02:09:24,199 --> 02:09:28,178
that actually, um, I think probably is part of the

827
02:09:28,199 --> 02:09:31,298
whole puss lunch aquifer as well. Uh, you had made

828
02:09:31,338 --> 02:09:35,118
reference to stormwater, but I'm actually concerned about groundwater. Can

829
02:09:35,118 --> 02:09:38,718
we address that, um, are you confident that that's not

830
02:09:38,839 --> 02:09:42,249
an issue that needs to be considered. Yes through you,

831
02:09:42,249 --> 02:09:45,209
Mr. Mayor. I would suggest I'm not qualified to speak

832
02:09:45,249 --> 02:09:49,289
to groundwater. Um, as, as any colleges, I don't know

833
02:09:49,289 --> 02:09:51,929
if, uh, anybody on our team is here today that

834
02:09:51,929 --> 02:09:55,209
is qualified to speak to, to that. But, uh, yeah,

835
02:09:55,209 --> 02:09:56,889
unfortunately I won't be able to answer that question for

836
02:09:56,889 --> 02:10:00,249
you. Okay. No, that's fine. I don't expect you to

837
02:10:00,249 --> 02:10:05,049
be able to answer everything. Um, uh, last comment. Thanks

838
02:10:05,049 --> 02:10:07,689
to Mr. Vitaly is for Mr. Handy. Uh, thank you

839
02:10:07,729 --> 02:10:12,089
very much for making reference, uh, in Councillor Coron's concern

840
02:10:12,129 --> 02:10:15,129
about bait and switch. Um, I'm just going to follow

841
02:10:15,129 --> 02:10:17,689
up and expand that a little bit. Is there any

842
02:10:17,729 --> 02:10:27,041
potential for an irrevocable Covenant on this. Through you, uh,

843
02:10:27,562 --> 02:10:30,778
Mr Mayor to the Councillor. We can, we can look

844
02:10:30,879 --> 02:10:33,578
at different forms to ensure. I don't think our team

845
02:10:33,599 --> 02:10:37,018
is shying away from the fact that this is affordable

846
02:10:37,058 --> 02:10:40,458
housing to ensure that we deliver on what we're in

847
02:10:40,458 --> 02:10:43,498
front of you this evening. Uh, so if there is

848
02:10:43,498 --> 02:10:48,138
something that, uh, is palatable to staff, uh, to your

849
02:10:48,178 --> 02:10:53,719
legal team, uh, we're open to considering it. Unless somebody's.

850
02:10:55,563 --> 02:10:58,708
That's fine. Okay. Councillor Alt, is that good for you

851
02:10:58,809 --> 02:11:01,888
then or that's absolutely fine. Thank you very much, Mr.

852
02:11:01,888 --> 02:11:05,508
Harry. Oh, thank you. Yeah. Thank you. And maybe in

853
02:11:05,548 --> 02:11:09,828
regards to the aquifer groundwater issue, did you want someone

854
02:11:09,849 --> 02:11:13,268
to come up for that at this point? Yeah. Might

855
02:11:13,268 --> 02:11:15,268
as well since Councillor Alt brought it up. Might as

856
02:11:15,268 --> 02:11:17,645
well just have the answer come right away. Does make

857
02:11:17,645 --> 02:11:20,045
sense to flow that way. No pun intended. You brought

858
02:11:20,085 --> 02:11:21,965
Jake to the meeting. So we're glad to have him

859
02:11:22,005 --> 02:11:24,899
speak. Yeah. So go right ahead. Yeah. So I'm Jake

860
02:11:24,939 --> 02:11:27,279
Hawkins, the Civil Engineer on the file, uh, a lot

861
02:11:27,279 --> 02:11:30,339
of the soils on this site are sand and odorless

862
02:11:30,440 --> 02:11:33,699
gravel. So it has really high porosity. So the intent

863
02:11:34,200 --> 02:11:38,179
from a stormwater management perspective is to implement low impact

864
02:11:38,360 --> 02:11:42,099
development measures to make sure that the groundwater gets recharged.

865
02:11:42,139 --> 02:11:45,339
There is no designated stormwater outlet on the site. So

866
02:11:45,400 --> 02:11:47,699
by that nature, we have to find a way for

867
02:11:47,699 --> 02:11:50,019
the flows to get back into the ground. So the

868
02:11:50,059 --> 02:11:52,259
game plan for this development is to have the hundred

869
02:11:52,360 --> 02:11:56,499
year runoff from the site infiltrated and percolated back into

870
02:11:56,499 --> 02:12:01,054
the groundwater table. Thank you very much. Great. Thank you

871
02:12:01,094 --> 02:12:03,825
for answering that right away. That's great. Okay. Is there

872
02:12:03,825 --> 02:12:08,143
any further questions for Hugh at this time. No. Okay.

873
02:12:08,164 --> 02:12:10,543
Thanks a lot. You appreciate it. And Mike, you're coming

874
02:12:10,543 --> 02:12:15,870
up next from Home Opportunities Nonprofit Corporation. And then Jeremiah

875
02:12:15,971 --> 02:12:18,350
Vanderland is going to be, oh, it's going to be

876
02:12:18,350 --> 02:12:21,870
joining us by video. So, uh, Mike, I'll turn it

877
02:12:21,870 --> 02:12:27,605
over to you whenever you're ready. Okay. And Mike, actually

878
02:12:27,605 --> 02:12:30,885
anybody that comes up here might just a foot over

879
02:12:30,925 --> 02:12:35,459
from your right hand. There's a little white button. Yeah.

880
02:12:35,512 --> 02:12:37,811
If you hit that button up, it will move that

881
02:12:38,072 --> 02:12:40,131
desk up for you and make the microphone come closer

882
02:12:40,152 --> 02:12:46,094
to your, yes. Yes. And I sit on the desk

883
02:12:46,115 --> 02:12:48,334
when I do it. Yeah. So just, just to make

884
02:12:48,334 --> 02:12:50,894
sure that the microphone's picking up everything, I'm just cautious

885
02:12:50,934 --> 02:12:53,174
of the, of the making sure everyone can hear. So

886
02:12:53,235 --> 02:12:55,454
for those of you that are coming, you know, a

887
02:12:55,454 --> 02:12:57,834
little taller, a little smaller, there's that button there. You

888
02:12:57,834 --> 02:12:59,054
can make it go up and down so that the

889
02:12:59,094 --> 02:13:01,774
microphone is close to your, your voice. Okay. So over

890
02:13:01,814 --> 02:13:06,355
to you, Mike. Thank you. Hey, Mr. Mayor, Councillors, members

891
02:13:06,355 --> 02:13:09,955
of the public. My name is Mike Labei. I am

892
02:13:10,136 --> 02:13:14,195
president of Home Opportunities, nonprofit corporation. And I have a

893
02:13:14,195 --> 02:13:17,155
very strong interest in the bait and switch comments that

894
02:13:17,176 --> 02:13:21,135
have been made because we only do affordable housing. And

895
02:13:21,135 --> 02:13:24,995
so that's a great interest to us. The H designation

896
02:13:25,256 --> 02:13:27,555
requires us to prove that it's going to be affordable

897
02:13:27,595 --> 02:13:30,755
housing before building permit can be issued. And that gives

898
02:13:30,755 --> 02:13:33,555
you very strong, gives us very strong control to make

899
02:13:33,555 --> 02:13:35,235
sure we get what we want out of the piece

900
02:13:35,235 --> 02:13:40,435
of land. Um, I want to mention that this is

901
02:13:40,616 --> 02:13:43,955
my second turn back in front of Council. Last time

902
02:13:43,976 --> 02:13:47,955
I was here, Council approved changing this land from employment

903
02:13:47,976 --> 02:13:50,595
to residential in support of what the province had done

904
02:13:50,696 --> 02:13:54,035
previously. So we're just deja vu in terms of what

905
02:13:54,056 --> 02:13:58,275
we're talking about today. Um, there was a question about,

906
02:13:58,275 --> 02:14:04,048
uh, oh, yes, let me. Add it. Which button. This

907
02:14:04,048 --> 02:14:08,739
one. S not listening to me. It is. Okay. Sorry.

908
02:14:10,726 --> 02:14:14,705
So home opportunities. And this is me bragging about how

909
02:14:14,745 --> 02:14:20,812
long I've been around. I have been working since 1979

910
02:14:21,873 --> 02:14:25,532
working with groups of people forming nonprofit corporations and helping

911
02:14:25,572 --> 02:14:28,332
them build their own homes. That's effectively been my job

912
02:14:28,433 --> 02:14:31,512
for all of those years. Um, and some of the

913
02:14:31,512 --> 02:14:34,092
people I worked with back in the 80s are still

914
02:14:34,092 --> 02:14:37,132
with me today. So we have a long history of

915
02:14:37,132 --> 02:14:40,012
dedicated to doing this kind of housing. And it's, it's

916
02:14:40,052 --> 02:14:42,892
something that effectively, because we've got such a strong solution

917
02:14:43,153 --> 02:14:45,612
at this point in time has stolen my retirement from

918
02:14:45,633 --> 02:14:48,581
me, but I'm not complaining. Um, so I've been doing

919
02:14:48,602 --> 02:14:51,941
this for 47 years. 30 of those years is creating

920
02:14:52,602 --> 02:14:56,261
opportunities to use home ownership as the solution to affordable

921
02:14:56,282 --> 02:15:00,538
housing. And we have worked on as a group over

922
02:15:00,719 --> 02:15:06,058
10, 000 units and 200 projects, including two in Guelph

923
02:15:06,098 --> 02:15:11,685
itself, Montfort condos and market commons. At the current pipeline

924
02:15:11,725 --> 02:15:14,005
we're working on is nearly 7, 000 units in 12

925
02:15:14,045 --> 02:15:16,645
different communities. Because if you're the only solution, you get

926
02:15:16,645 --> 02:15:19,205
a lot of attention. So we're really proud to be

927
02:15:19,306 --> 02:15:22,645
here in Guelph and are looking forward to being able

928
02:15:22,645 --> 02:15:28,903
to do a large significant project for this community. How

929
02:15:29,164 --> 02:15:32,103
does it work? Um, and we don't intend to stay

930
02:15:32,143 --> 02:15:35,303
unique, but right now we are unique because we've used

931
02:15:35,484 --> 02:15:39,303
home ownership as a mechanism of allowing people a chance

932
02:15:39,343 --> 02:15:42,463
to get into housing. Virtually no matter their income, as

933
02:15:42,463 --> 02:15:44,503
long as they have a steady income, we can provide

934
02:15:44,764 --> 02:15:47,943
housing for them because what we're in essence doing is

935
02:15:47,964 --> 02:15:51,063
adjusting the size of the mortgage to allow their income

936
02:15:51,103 --> 02:15:54,903
to match the carrying costs. And so that's the mechanism

937
02:15:54,903 --> 02:15:56,663
that we use, but I've given a couple of examples

938
02:15:56,844 --> 02:15:59,463
here because this is what we've run into over the

939
02:15:59,463 --> 02:16:01,463
years is you can take a parent with two kids

940
02:16:01,884 --> 02:16:04,583
who can only at 85, 000 dollars of four to

941
02:16:04,583 --> 02:16:08,379
two bedroom rental. But because we're able to adjust the

942
02:16:08,480 --> 02:16:10,539
carrying costs, we can get them into a proper three

943
02:16:10,579 --> 02:16:14,459
bedroom townhouse, which will change the circumstances for their law

944
02:16:14,459 --> 02:16:18,443
is quite significantly. Um, we are proud of targeting three

945
02:16:18,464 --> 02:16:20,603
percent of our units to people on minimum wage. They

946
02:16:20,643 --> 02:16:23,083
are of course our studio units. But if you can

947
02:16:23,083 --> 02:16:26,363
start in your 20s with an ownership, some people in

948
02:16:26,363 --> 02:16:27,803
this room have been able to do that. If you

949
02:16:27,803 --> 02:16:30,123
can start in your choix, it changes your trajectory of

950
02:16:30,123 --> 02:16:32,683
your entire life. And that's one of the things that

951
02:16:32,784 --> 02:16:37,083
is important to us since those owners are our clients.

952
02:16:37,083 --> 02:16:41,083
We're working on their behalf. Seniors. At some point in

953
02:16:41,123 --> 02:16:43,083
time to get tired of taking care of their home.

954
02:16:43,083 --> 02:16:43,963
It's nice to be able to go to a place

955
02:16:43,984 --> 02:16:46,683
where they can protect their equity and continue to live

956
02:16:46,723 --> 02:16:49,003
in a community that will watch out for them. One

957
02:16:49,024 --> 02:16:52,261
of our projects, I do have enough time. We actually

958
02:16:52,362 --> 02:16:54,981
had a case where people moved in after they'd been

959
02:16:54,981 --> 02:16:57,701
in for six months, a woman fell in broker hip.

960
02:16:58,958 --> 02:17:01,257
And within a week, her neighbours had taken her out

961
02:17:01,257 --> 02:17:02,857
of the hospital and were taken care of her until

962
02:17:02,897 --> 02:17:04,697
she was back on our feet and moving from there.

963
02:17:04,697 --> 02:17:06,537
So that's the type of community that we love to

964
02:17:06,537 --> 02:17:13,641
be able to build. So what we've started to do

965
02:17:13,662 --> 02:17:15,721
with the communities we go to is we go first

966
02:17:15,742 --> 02:17:19,752
to the economic development department. Because one of the biggest

967
02:17:20,333 --> 02:17:24,312
impediments to economic development these days is affordable housing. There's

968
02:17:24,893 --> 02:17:27,752
5, 000 empty jobs across Southern Ontario because of the

969
02:17:27,752 --> 02:17:31,513
lack of affordable housing. So for us, we want to

970
02:17:31,534 --> 02:17:35,273
provide the housing for those workers that give them a

971
02:17:35,273 --> 02:17:39,353
chance to live and reside in wealth. And somebody who

972
02:17:39,534 --> 02:17:41,993
looks close to work, who doesn't have to commute is

973
02:17:42,014 --> 02:17:44,873
a more productive worker, a more productive worker means that

974
02:17:45,134 --> 02:17:48,873
your industry is more productive, more productive industry can protect

975
02:17:49,134 --> 02:17:54,053
itself against the vagaries of people to the south. And

976
02:17:54,053 --> 02:17:56,873
so it's something that's useful and valuable to the community.

977
02:17:57,532 --> 02:18:01,511
And it's quite significant in Guelph. Um, you know, Linamar

978
02:18:01,612 --> 02:18:05,431
will be speaking later, 10, 000 employees, 50 percent of

979
02:18:05,431 --> 02:18:11,618
them. Are actually commuting into town. And to do that

980
02:18:11,719 --> 02:18:16,238
is quite a significant task when the snowstorm's hit. And

981
02:18:16,238 --> 02:18:18,098
you find that a few people can't make it in

982
02:18:18,098 --> 02:18:21,735
your production line is affected. We are open to the

983
02:18:21,916 --> 02:18:25,575
idea of having industry say to us, we will ask

984
02:18:25,575 --> 02:18:27,975
you to set aside 25 units so we can offer

985
02:18:28,015 --> 02:18:30,695
those units as an attraction to bring industry to town

986
02:18:31,116 --> 02:18:33,575
or open to doing that with your economic development department

987
02:18:33,575 --> 02:18:36,215
as well. We can be a tool to making this

988
02:18:36,316 --> 02:18:42,110
city stronger. So deliverables.

989
02:18:50,277 --> 02:18:53,536
940 units, all of which will qualify as affordable housing

990
02:18:53,957 --> 02:18:56,256
because we have a range of affordability, but all of

991
02:18:56,256 --> 02:18:58,976
them will receive some degree of help towards your down

992
02:18:58,997 --> 02:19:08,253
payments. So they can become owners. Which is based on

993
02:19:08,274 --> 02:19:12,893
the incomes that carry a certain rent, level in wealth.

994
02:19:14,327 --> 02:19:17,826
This is an important job growth opportunity for Kiwi Newton

995
02:19:17,927 --> 02:19:20,066
because it's a new company in the residential that we

996
02:19:20,087 --> 02:19:23,586
want to help expand into a significant producer of a

997
02:19:23,626 --> 02:19:27,593
thousand units a year. We're hoping to be done within

998
02:19:27,694 --> 02:19:33,555
12 to 18 months. And will be contributing to the

999
02:19:34,056 --> 02:19:37,315
city's targets for housing for your housing targets, both in

1000
02:19:37,315 --> 02:19:39,155
terms of numbers and in terms of the target for

1001
02:19:39,256 --> 02:19:42,968
affordability. We're going to be supporting local employers and attracting

1002
02:19:43,008 --> 02:19:49,065
new ones. And the work that we do is intending

1003
02:19:49,105 --> 02:19:52,185
to do these 940 units, which will lead to another

1004
02:19:52,526 --> 02:19:56,505
940 units. We'll lead to another 940 units because as

1005
02:19:56,505 --> 02:19:59,305
an organisation that doesn't need grants and subsidies, we can

1006
02:19:59,305 --> 02:20:01,145
start to provide all of the housing that you need

1007
02:20:01,886 --> 02:20:03,625
as long as we get the leg up that the

1008
02:20:03,646 --> 02:20:11,937
first project starts for us. Oh good. I've given you

1009
02:20:12,118 --> 02:20:16,415
two minutes and 55 seconds to ask questions. Well, thank

1010
02:20:16,415 --> 02:20:18,735
you Mike. Thank you for your presentation. We appreciate you

1011
02:20:18,775 --> 02:20:20,495
being here. Is there any follow - up for Mike

1012
02:20:20,516 --> 02:20:24,798
at this point. Okay. Catherine, I'm sorry. Councillor Hauser and

1013
02:20:24,798 --> 02:20:28,081
then Councillor Downer. Thank you very much. Um, through the

1014
02:20:28,182 --> 02:20:31,801
mayor, can you explain, um, a little bit about, so

1015
02:20:31,801 --> 02:20:34,641
when somebody purchases a property, um, to keep it in

1016
02:20:34,641 --> 02:20:37,281
the affordable realm, they are not allowed to sell it

1017
02:20:37,302 --> 02:20:41,281
for like an exorbitant profit. But can you, can you

1018
02:20:41,321 --> 02:20:44,241
explain that part for me? Yes. Thank you for the

1019
02:20:44,502 --> 02:20:47,681
question through you, Mr. Mayor, to the Councillor. That is

1020
02:20:48,022 --> 02:20:51,961
an intriguing question that I do like to answer. So

1021
02:20:52,342 --> 02:20:56,001
the way that we work is that you come in

1022
02:20:56,041 --> 02:20:58,941
and you purchase a home like anybody else would, um,

1023
02:20:59,382 --> 02:21:02,757
you sign an agreement of purchase and sale. We adjust

1024
02:21:03,098 --> 02:21:04,837
your mortgage so that you're going to afford to carry

1025
02:21:04,877 --> 02:21:08,357
it. And then you carry it like any other owner.

1026
02:21:08,357 --> 02:21:09,877
And a portion of the home that you carry is

1027
02:21:09,898 --> 02:21:12,436
what you make your money on. The portion you don't

1028
02:21:12,476 --> 02:21:15,956
care, we make that money on and we reserve and

1029
02:21:15,956 --> 02:21:18,436
use it to be able to help someone else afterwards.

1030
02:21:18,436 --> 02:21:20,996
This is a pay it forward idea. Because it's a

1031
02:21:21,017 --> 02:21:23,156
pay it forward idea. We don't need grants and subsidies.

1032
02:21:23,884 --> 02:21:25,943
If you need grants and subsidies, you can only produce

1033
02:21:25,983 --> 02:21:28,183
a few units and you can't solve the problem. So

1034
02:21:28,444 --> 02:21:32,023
the idea is to pay it forward constantly as people

1035
02:21:32,204 --> 02:21:34,263
sell to help more people. And every time we get

1036
02:21:34,284 --> 02:21:36,423
a sale, we can build two to three more units.

1037
02:21:36,423 --> 02:21:39,383
So we actually expand the solution by virtue of not

1038
02:21:39,423 --> 02:21:42,843
restricting what people do with their homes. Thank you very

1039
02:21:42,843 --> 02:21:48,317
much. Thank you through you, Mr. Murray. Uh, so I

1040
02:21:48,317 --> 02:21:52,717
just want to, this may be, there were some places

1041
02:21:52,978 --> 02:21:54,957
in Gwelph. So this has to do with the impacts

1042
02:21:54,957 --> 02:21:58,637
on the adjacent industrial uses that some of your residents

1043
02:21:59,378 --> 02:22:03,437
may experience some noise or anything. Sometimes there's something untitled

1044
02:22:03,437 --> 02:22:05,197
that can be put on. I'm not quite sure what

1045
02:22:05,237 --> 02:22:08,157
it is. They do it in, um, I think with

1046
02:22:08,197 --> 02:22:11,877
housing that was built around the door lime area, I

1047
02:22:11,877 --> 02:22:13,757
had to have it on titled as a warning to

1048
02:22:13,757 --> 02:22:16,717
say that they acknowledge not even a warning. It's just

1049
02:22:16,717 --> 02:22:22,397
acknowledging the existence of the site or being close to

1050
02:22:22,578 --> 02:22:26,077
industry. Will that be happening as well? Cause you're right

1051
02:22:26,117 --> 02:22:29,889
adjacent to it. Correct. We've done quite a number of

1052
02:22:29,929 --> 02:22:32,689
projects close to industries because we've built in the City

1053
02:22:32,689 --> 02:22:35,009
of Toronto. And what we do is we put in

1054
02:22:35,009 --> 02:22:38,369
the condo documents, the warning clause. So it gets passed

1055
02:22:38,409 --> 02:22:41,489
on from owner to owner as the condo docs are

1056
02:22:41,529 --> 02:22:44,289
passed on. And that's already been something that's been discussed

1057
02:22:44,289 --> 02:22:46,769
with staff and something that we're quite committed to because

1058
02:22:46,809 --> 02:22:49,409
we want people to understand. Now having said that, the

1059
02:22:49,590 --> 02:22:53,729
buildings are designed so that inside the units, you're not

1060
02:22:53,750 --> 02:22:57,169
affected by. But the warning is still there because when

1061
02:22:57,169 --> 02:23:04,196
you open your windows, there's industry there. Great. Oh, and

1062
02:23:04,196 --> 02:23:08,216
Councillor Galler is our final go ahead. Uh, thank you

1063
02:23:08,717 --> 02:23:10,296
through your worship to Mr. Bay. Thank you so much

1064
02:23:10,296 --> 02:23:13,496
for being here today. Would you be the right person

1065
02:23:13,536 --> 02:23:16,456
to talk about the time lapse for the project and

1066
02:23:16,877 --> 02:23:19,816
when the units might be expected to be available for,

1067
02:23:19,917 --> 02:23:24,669
for our Guelph employees. Sure. Uh, and, and to some

1068
02:23:24,669 --> 02:23:27,709
degree, you can also pose the question to Kiwi Newton.

1069
02:23:27,709 --> 02:23:31,549
It'll be our contractor. Um, but, but what our expectation

1070
02:23:31,589 --> 02:23:37,309
is, um, given support from council, we're hoping to be

1071
02:23:37,330 --> 02:23:41,083
under construction within a year. We, I'd like it to

1072
02:23:41,123 --> 02:23:45,323
be preferably a late fall of next year because certain

1073
02:23:45,344 --> 02:23:47,643
types of servicing work can do best when the ground

1074
02:23:47,664 --> 02:23:52,210
is frozen. Um, and because of the keywun system, which

1075
02:23:52,210 --> 02:23:55,570
is a prefabricated panelize system, it can build faster than

1076
02:23:55,671 --> 02:23:58,130
you normally would. So we're hoping for an 18 month

1077
02:23:58,170 --> 02:24:02,130
construction period before the first people start moving in. Now

1078
02:24:02,151 --> 02:24:04,450
that will certainly be the case with the townhouses with

1079
02:24:04,490 --> 02:24:07,330
our wood construction. But with the apartments, it's a challenge

1080
02:24:07,370 --> 02:24:09,490
for them to see if they can do it in

1081
02:24:09,530 --> 02:24:12,690
18 months. But certainly 24 months that we'll be pretty

1082
02:24:12,711 --> 02:24:15,689
well done. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much.

1083
02:24:15,790 --> 02:24:20,219
Thank you, Russia. Great. Say nothing further. Thanks Mike. Appreciate

1084
02:24:20,259 --> 02:24:24,539
it. Uh, moving right along, uh, Jeremiah Vanderland from Kiwi

1085
02:24:24,579 --> 02:24:28,842
Newton is going to be joining us. Uh, believe by

1086
02:24:28,943 --> 02:24:34,444
video. Hello everyone. I'm hoping you can hear me right

1087
02:24:34,444 --> 02:24:38,741
now. Yes. We can. It's, uh, it's Mayor Guthrie. Thanks

1088
02:24:38,741 --> 02:24:41,781
a lot, Jeremiah, for, for joining us. We appreciate it.

1089
02:24:41,781 --> 02:24:42,981
And I don't know if you heard at the beginning,

1090
02:24:42,981 --> 02:24:46,181
but you have no more than 10 minutes. Okay. So,

1091
02:24:46,181 --> 02:24:47,861
and then once you're done, just stick on the screen

1092
02:24:47,901 --> 02:24:50,541
there. If I, if anyone has a follow up, a

1093
02:24:50,541 --> 02:24:53,461
question. Okay. But, uh, please go right ahead. Thank you.

1094
02:24:53,562 --> 02:24:55,821
There should be some slides that are coming up. So

1095
02:24:55,821 --> 02:24:58,261
I'll just, uh, I'll start talking in those should join

1096
02:24:58,282 --> 02:25:00,501
on the screen in a minute or two. But good

1097
02:25:00,541 --> 02:25:03,861
afternoon everyone. My name is Jeremiah Vanderland and I am

1098
02:25:03,861 --> 02:25:05,861
speaking on behalf of Kiwi Newton, who is the plan

1099
02:25:06,362 --> 02:25:10,421
builder for this project. So Kiwi Newton is a Guelph

1100
02:25:10,602 --> 02:25:14,581
- based design builder in advanced construction manufacturer with more

1101
02:25:14,581 --> 02:25:19,221
than 30 years of experience delivering residential, industrial, commercial and

1102
02:25:19,261 --> 02:25:24,821
institutional projects. Kiwi brings together capabilities that are often divided

1103
02:25:25,002 --> 02:25:29,701
among numerous companies. And we employ people with skills in

1104
02:25:29,701 --> 02:25:36,721
design, engineering, construction management, project management, manufacturing mechanical, electrical, and

1105
02:25:36,721 --> 02:25:40,501
on - site construction. Go to the next slide. Kiwi's

1106
02:25:40,501 --> 02:25:45,141
mission is to provide high quality, affordable and sustainable construction

1107
02:25:45,482 --> 02:25:49,621
at scale. Now each part of this mission is important.

1108
02:25:49,621 --> 02:25:54,261
High quality means creating buildings that are durable, comfortable, energy

1109
02:25:54,362 --> 02:25:58,261
efficient and intended for long - term use. Affordable means

1110
02:25:58,602 --> 02:26:01,861
improving both the cost of constructing the building and the

1111
02:26:01,962 --> 02:26:07,401
ongoing cost of living in it. Sustainable means reducing energy

1112
02:26:07,441 --> 02:26:11,321
consumption waste and emissions while creating buildings with long service

1113
02:26:11,342 --> 02:26:15,561
lives. And then lastly at scale means moving beyond isolated

1114
02:26:15,601 --> 02:26:21,081
projects and developing the facilities, employees, production systems and repeatable

1115
02:26:21,102 --> 02:26:25,161
building designs required to produce a meaningful volume of housing.

1116
02:26:25,662 --> 02:26:28,681
Canada cannot solve its housing shortage by treating every new

1117
02:26:28,702 --> 02:26:32,601
building as a completely unique prototype. The industry needs more

1118
02:26:32,782 --> 02:26:39,641
repeatable systems that serve architectural flexibility while improving productivity, quality,

1119
02:26:39,641 --> 02:26:44,577
and cost predictability. Next slide. So the question is, how

1120
02:26:44,577 --> 02:26:47,077
do we do that? Well, our strategy is built upon

1121
02:26:47,178 --> 02:26:50,397
three principles. First, we think like an automotive company. We

1122
02:26:50,458 --> 02:26:53,397
employ an in - house team for planning, design, engineering,

1123
02:26:53,437 --> 02:26:56,677
manufacturing, and construction. This allows us to make sure that

1124
02:26:57,258 --> 02:27:01,557
the design works optimally for manufacturing the components and assembling

1125
02:27:01,578 --> 02:27:06,117
them on site. Second, we leverage process standardization with design

1126
02:27:06,458 --> 02:27:09,317
flexibility. We know that the more we can standardize our

1127
02:27:09,357 --> 02:27:12,037
processes, the more efficient we can become and the more

1128
02:27:12,077 --> 02:27:15,637
affordable and high quality the end result can be. Standardization

1129
02:27:15,738 --> 02:27:18,037
does not mean that every building needs to look the

1130
02:27:18,037 --> 02:27:22,197
same. We can standardize the underlying systems. We'll still allowing

1131
02:27:22,218 --> 02:27:25,877
flexibility in the building's design. Third, once a process has

1132
02:27:25,917 --> 02:27:29,557
been standardized automation can be designed around it. We have

1133
02:27:29,578 --> 02:27:33,957
invested in equipment to increase our productivity for manufacturing, shipping,

1134
02:27:33,997 --> 02:27:38,037
assembling, and finishing buildings. With this strategy, we are able

1135
02:27:38,037 --> 02:27:42,517
to produce buildings that are high quality, affordable, while also

1136
02:27:42,517 --> 02:27:46,997
being extremely energy efficient. This is how we reduce cost,

1137
02:27:46,997 --> 02:27:51,237
not by lowering quality, but by improving the process. Next

1138
02:27:51,237 --> 02:27:54,757
slide. Kiwi has made significant investments in wealth to support

1139
02:27:55,018 --> 02:27:58,517
this approach. Uh, Kiwi has recently working on phase 205

1140
02:27:58,517 --> 02:28:02,517
of our expansion plans. One's phase two is complete. Kiwi

1141
02:28:02,557 --> 02:28:05,557
will be able to produce roughly 760 housing units per

1142
02:28:05,597 --> 02:28:11,077
year. And future phases increase that to 1, 875 housing

1143
02:28:11,117 --> 02:28:15,077
units per year. Now these capacity figures are not simply

1144
02:28:15,258 --> 02:28:19,637
long - term aspirations. Kiwi is actively investing in the

1145
02:28:19,738 --> 02:28:24,837
floor space equipment technology and workspace required to make them

1146
02:28:24,938 --> 02:28:30,197
happen. This capacity, this production of housing units doesn't happen

1147
02:28:30,298 --> 02:28:36,197
by accident. It requires equipment, robotics, engineering, training, logistics, steel

1148
02:28:36,218 --> 02:28:40,837
fabrication, pre - cash fabrication, skilled people and a predictable

1149
02:28:41,098 --> 02:28:45,397
pipeline of projects. That is why Clair Road is important.

1150
02:28:45,397 --> 02:28:49,877
It helps put local housing manufacturing capacity to work so

1151
02:28:49,877 --> 02:28:54,277
that we can increase our capacity. Next slide. Kiwi's investment

1152
02:28:54,378 --> 02:28:57,557
and housing capacity has been recognised and supported by the

1153
02:28:57,738 --> 02:29:01,077
province of Ontario and the federal government. The province has

1154
02:29:01,178 --> 02:29:03,557
seen what Kiwi is building in wealth and is supporting

1155
02:29:03,557 --> 02:29:07,797
our expansion through the southwestern Ontario Development Fund. That support

1156
02:29:07,818 --> 02:29:12,517
is helping us expand our facilities at Advanced Manufacturing Equipment,

1157
02:29:12,517 --> 02:29:17,217
improve production processes and increase our residential construction capacity. The

1158
02:29:17,498 --> 02:29:20,757
federal government has also recognised the potential of this approach.

1159
02:29:20,797 --> 02:29:23,557
Kiwi is a lead partner in the initiative supported through

1160
02:29:24,218 --> 02:29:29,717
NGEN's Advanced Manufacturing Home Building Challenge alongside the Linamar Innovation

1161
02:29:29,757 --> 02:29:34,277
Hub and Home Opportunities. Kiwi contributes to the building system,

1162
02:29:34,277 --> 02:29:39,637
design build expertise and manufacturing capacity, Linamar contributes advanced manufacturing

1163
02:29:39,818 --> 02:29:45,157
and automation expertise, home opportunities contributes the attainable home ownership

1164
02:29:45,258 --> 02:29:48,597
model. The province sees the value in what Kiwi is

1165
02:29:48,597 --> 02:29:51,397
doing. The federal government sees the value in what Kiwi

1166
02:29:51,418 --> 02:29:54,997
is building. And the development at Clair Road gives Guelph

1167
02:29:54,997 --> 02:29:59,237
the opportunity to help put that investment support and manufacturing

1168
02:29:59,418 --> 02:30:03,714
capacity to work here in our own community. Next slide.

1169
02:30:04,776 --> 02:30:08,355
Now I want to be very clear on quality. Cost

1170
02:30:08,395 --> 02:30:12,835
effective housing should not mean low quality housing. Affordable housing

1171
02:30:13,016 --> 02:30:17,475
should not be disposable housing. The Kiwi precast system is

1172
02:30:17,576 --> 02:30:21,315
based on durable concrete walls and floor panels. It is

1173
02:30:21,416 --> 02:30:26,195
designed for long - term performance energy efficiency, acoustic separation,

1174
02:30:26,296 --> 02:30:30,515
fire resistance, and reduced operating costs. Affordability is not just

1175
02:30:30,555 --> 02:30:33,555
the purchase price. A home also has to be affordable

1176
02:30:33,576 --> 02:30:39,508
to heat. Cool, maintain and operate over time. Next slide.

1177
02:30:39,508 --> 02:30:43,108
Our Kingston housing study demonstrates this. The Project uses the

1178
02:30:43,129 --> 02:30:47,748
same QE precast system with energy modelling showing a 61.

1179
02:30:47,929 --> 02:30:54,228
5 percent reduction compared with the applicable national energy code

1180
02:30:54,249 --> 02:30:59,268
baseline. Next slide. It also reduces the greenhouse gas intensity

1181
02:30:59,449 --> 02:31:04,068
by 83 percent compared to normal construction. So the goal

1182
02:31:04,249 --> 02:31:08,018
is not simply to build Hone's cheaper. The goal is

1183
02:31:08,018 --> 02:31:12,178
to build homes better, more predictably and more efficiently. That

1184
02:31:12,359 --> 02:31:15,960
is what Kiwi Newton does. Next slide. The other point

1185
02:31:15,981 --> 02:31:18,600
that I want to make is about the construction economy

1186
02:31:18,781 --> 02:31:21,560
in a larger sense. It is very difficult to make

1187
02:31:21,661 --> 02:31:25,960
new housing projects work right now. Contract construction costs, financing

1188
02:31:25,981 --> 02:31:29,960
costs, municipal costs, and buyer affordability are all putting pressure

1189
02:31:29,981 --> 02:31:33,720
on housing projects. The construction industry is not simply holding

1190
02:31:33,821 --> 02:31:37,280
back an unlimited supply of easy to build projects. It

1191
02:31:37,280 --> 02:31:41,880
is searching for viable ways to get housing into construction.

1192
02:31:41,880 --> 02:31:45,160
The Home Opportunities model provides a credible path forward at

1193
02:31:45,181 --> 02:31:49,160
a time when many conventional projects are struggling to proceed.

1194
02:31:49,900 --> 02:31:52,919
Now I want to be very careful with my tone

1195
02:31:52,959 --> 02:31:55,239
here. I don't want my tone to come across as

1196
02:31:55,500 --> 02:31:59,719
arrogant, overconfident, biased, or suffering from tunnel vision. I want

1197
02:31:59,759 --> 02:32:03,559
this to come across as a genuine plea, a genuine

1198
02:32:03,660 --> 02:32:06,919
piece of advice from someone who sees the construction industry

1199
02:32:07,580 --> 02:32:11,442
across all of Ontario right now. Council should not assume

1200
02:32:11,482 --> 02:32:14,242
that if this project is delayed or lost, that another

1201
02:32:14,423 --> 02:32:18,722
developer will automatically arrive with a replacement project offering the

1202
02:32:18,722 --> 02:32:23,682
same combination of attainable home ownership, local manufacturing and appointment,

1203
02:32:23,682 --> 02:32:28,242
high quality construction, strong energy performance, a committed nonprofit partner

1204
02:32:28,983 --> 02:32:34,992
and a realistic path towards construction. Next slide. Kiwi is

1205
02:32:35,032 --> 02:32:38,272
a Guelph employer. This project would help Guelph employers attract

1206
02:32:38,373 --> 02:32:43,152
and retain talent because housing availability is an economic development

1207
02:32:43,253 --> 02:32:47,872
issue. Kiwi was recently recognised as the 2026 Guelph Today

1208
02:32:47,893 --> 02:32:51,552
Economic Development Community Builder. That recognition came as a result

1209
02:32:51,573 --> 02:32:56,032
of our commitment to invest in our Guelph office, manufacturing,

1210
02:32:56,032 --> 02:33:01,152
expansion, uh, expansion and high value local jobs. The development

1211
02:33:01,253 --> 02:33:04,412
at Clair Road would build directly on that investment. And

1212
02:33:04,412 --> 02:33:06,112
for Guelph, it is a chance to show that housing

1213
02:33:06,213 --> 02:33:10,192
targets can be supported by local innovation, local employment, and

1214
02:33:10,373 --> 02:33:13,952
real construction capacity. This is an opportunity to build housing

1215
02:33:14,293 --> 02:33:19,152
in Gwealth using Guelph Expertise, Wealth employees and Guelph Manufacturing

1216
02:33:19,253 --> 02:33:24,032
Capacity. Next slide. And so finally Qwi Newton respectsfully ask

1217
02:33:24,053 --> 02:33:27,472
Council to consider this application positively and support the development

1218
02:33:27,653 --> 02:33:30,432
as it advances through the Planning Process. This is a

1219
02:33:30,453 --> 02:33:35,772
rare alignment of housing need, local capacity, committed partners, and

1220
02:33:35,772 --> 02:33:38,512
a model designed to move Holmes forward. Let's make this

1221
02:33:38,613 --> 02:33:44,994
happen together. Thank you. It's all I got. All right.

1222
02:33:44,994 --> 02:33:47,474
Thank you, Jeremiah. We appreciate that and we appreciate you

1223
02:33:47,514 --> 02:33:52,701
taking the time. Councillor Altaza, quick question for you. Thank

1224
02:33:52,741 --> 02:33:56,861
you very, very much, Mr. Vanderlan. I truly appreciate your,

1225
02:33:57,122 --> 02:34:00,541
your passion. And also I would say compassion, uh, for

1226
02:34:00,642 --> 02:34:03,501
those that are in the housing market, uh, of which

1227
02:34:03,541 --> 02:34:06,941
you have described, um, I'll also point out that I'm

1228
02:34:06,981 --> 02:34:10,701
one hundred percent fully supportive of your pitched for the

1229
02:34:10,962 --> 02:34:15,981
Ikea model of home building. I'm just looking for a

1230
02:34:16,021 --> 02:34:18,541
key and, um, I might join you. But I do

1231
02:34:18,581 --> 02:34:21,101
have a couple of questions that, that might be a

1232
02:34:21,101 --> 02:34:25,421
bit hardball. And if they are, the, uh, malice intended.

1233
02:34:25,421 --> 02:34:28,221
First of all, the, the time frame from shovel in

1234
02:34:28,261 --> 02:34:31,021
the ground to occupancy. What are we looking at in

1235
02:34:31,021 --> 02:34:36,410
terms of, uh, specifics. Uh, yes. Great question. So definitely

1236
02:34:36,591 --> 02:34:40,170
depends on what kind of building we're constructing. So there's

1237
02:34:40,911 --> 02:34:44,410
two different towers that are being considered there. I would

1238
02:34:44,450 --> 02:34:47,210
say that largest tower is about 18 months. So shovel

1239
02:34:47,391 --> 02:34:51,385
ground to occupancy is about 18 months. Thank you. Um,

1240
02:34:52,546 --> 02:34:55,085
theoretically, um, and I'm only going to ask you theoretically

1241
02:34:55,346 --> 02:34:57,005
because I'm sure you don't, you're not able to give

1242
02:34:57,005 --> 02:35:00,925
me the hard numbers on this. Uh, what percentage below

1243
02:35:00,965 --> 02:35:04,925
market value are we looking at for, um, for these

1244
02:35:04,946 --> 02:35:08,605
units because you, you, you sold me. Okay. Um, and

1245
02:35:08,626 --> 02:35:11,325
I'm hearing that it's affordable. So now I just need

1246
02:35:11,325 --> 02:35:18,158
to know market value What are we looking at. Yeah,

1247
02:35:18,158 --> 02:35:20,238
um, I'm going to assume you're talking about construction costs

1248
02:35:20,278 --> 02:35:23,358
there. Yes. So on construction cost, we find we're anywhere

1249
02:35:23,358 --> 02:35:26,718
from 10 to 20 percent less than kind of industry

1250
02:35:26,739 --> 02:35:30,955
average on construction costs per square foot. And thank you

1251
02:35:31,136 --> 02:35:36,091
and thank you Kiwi Newton. Uh, I am keen on,

1252
02:35:36,131 --> 02:35:38,891
on Kiwi Newton and maybe I'll have you come to

1253
02:35:38,891 --> 02:35:40,651
one of my breakfast one day to pitch people on

1254
02:35:40,691 --> 02:35:44,084
this as well. Thanks very much. Thank you. Just make

1255
02:35:44,084 --> 02:35:47,444
sure he pays for your breakfast Jeremiah for sure. Wait

1256
02:35:47,484 --> 02:35:52,404
a minute Councillor Corinne as a question for you as

1257
02:35:52,404 --> 02:35:57,444
well. Thank you. Thank you. Your energy efficiency numbers were

1258
02:35:57,465 --> 02:36:01,524
incredible. Um, very impressive. Are they related to the form

1259
02:36:01,564 --> 02:36:04,724
of energy and the, the, uh, you're using Renewable sources

1260
02:36:05,145 --> 02:36:09,984
or is it just the building envelope and the, um,

1261
02:36:10,825 --> 02:36:14,666
you know, the design and engineering piece. Great question. Um,

1262
02:36:14,707 --> 02:36:18,206
so those numbers are related to the design and engineering

1263
02:36:18,246 --> 02:36:23,246
of our building system that can be further increased by

1264
02:36:23,587 --> 02:36:27,406
renewables. So the project is considering a large solar array

1265
02:36:28,147 --> 02:36:30,846
for the property as well. But the, you know, roughly

1266
02:36:31,107 --> 02:36:34,126
60 percent reduction in energy usage. That can be done

1267
02:36:34,387 --> 02:36:39,086
with basically it's our air tightness, our strong insulation details

1268
02:36:39,667 --> 02:36:42,766
are strong window details and really just the, the detailing

1269
02:36:42,806 --> 02:36:49,689
of the system itself. Great. Thanks very much. Great Jeremiah.

1270
02:36:49,689 --> 02:36:51,689
That is all the questions we have. We'll let you

1271
02:36:51,689 --> 02:36:54,927
get back to building more homes. Awesome. Thank you. Thank

1272
02:36:54,948 --> 02:36:58,607
you. Thank you very much. All right. Sean Scott is

1273
02:36:58,647 --> 02:37:03,148
up next from Lindemar. Thanks, Sean, for coming. And is

1274
02:37:03,188 --> 02:37:08,205
Valerie Vanderwick here. I'm sorry. I don't have my glasses

1275
02:37:08,245 --> 02:37:11,245
on. Is Valerie here? Oh, okay. I'm sorry. Yeah. You're

1276
02:37:11,285 --> 02:37:14,605
in the wings. Okay. Thank you. Uh, so Sean, thanks

1277
02:37:14,605 --> 02:37:16,525
a lot for waiting and it's over to you. Okay.

1278
02:37:16,525 --> 02:37:19,885
Thank you. Excellent. Thank you Mr. Mayor Councillor City staff.

1279
02:37:20,525 --> 02:37:23,144
Appreciate your time. Uh, I want to bring greetings on

1280
02:37:23,165 --> 02:37:27,044
behalf of the almost 10, 000 employees from Linamar, uh,

1281
02:37:27,245 --> 02:37:32,264
to you today. I've been resident of Guelph proud Lee

1282
02:37:32,264 --> 02:37:35,944
since 1995. And I've been employed at Linamar for 30

1283
02:37:35,984 --> 02:37:39,784
years and I've seen, uh, the tremendous growth. The organisations

1284
02:37:39,824 --> 02:37:43,144
had and the incredible impact that it's had on the

1285
02:37:43,144 --> 02:37:46,264
community. And of course that the employees have had on

1286
02:37:46,285 --> 02:37:50,024
the success of Litamar. I'd like to thank Home Opportunities

1287
02:37:50,285 --> 02:37:54,184
in our community partners for bringing attention to your attention,

1288
02:37:54,184 --> 02:37:56,984
one of the most important issues facing working families today,

1289
02:37:56,984 --> 02:38:00,824
which is affordable housing. At Linamar, we see firsthand how

1290
02:38:00,845 --> 02:38:04,936
affordable housing effects our employees. How it affects our business.

1291
02:38:04,936 --> 02:38:07,730
And the overall health of our community. Many of our

1292
02:38:07,770 --> 02:38:12,010
employees are highly skilled individuals contribute everyday to manufacturing, to

1293
02:38:12,010 --> 02:38:15,810
innovation and to economic growth. Yet an increasing number of

1294
02:38:15,831 --> 02:38:21,710
workers face housing that they can't afford. Face finding housing

1295
02:38:22,691 --> 02:38:25,710
that, uh, sorry, yet an increasing number of workers find

1296
02:38:25,891 --> 02:38:29,710
housing. They cannot, they cannot afford housing in the community

1297
02:38:29,750 --> 02:38:34,068
that they live. Across Canada housing costs have risen faster

1298
02:38:34,089 --> 02:38:37,268
than incomes in many communities making it hard for workers

1299
02:38:37,689 --> 02:38:41,988
to live near their jobs. Recent research from CMHC has

1300
02:38:42,009 --> 02:38:46,630
shown that high housing costs are reducing labour mobility. And

1301
02:38:46,651 --> 02:38:50,870
making it more difficult for employers to attract and retain,

1302
02:38:50,870 --> 02:38:54,199
uh, talent. Research shows and we believe that when employees

1303
02:38:54,780 --> 02:38:57,639
can afford to live in the same community where they

1304
02:38:57,679 --> 02:39:01,738
work, everyone benefits. Employees have shared with us their desire

1305
02:39:01,759 --> 02:39:05,119
to spend less time commuting. More time with their families.

1306
02:39:05,930 --> 02:39:08,948
And they experience the financial stress. Of turning on the

1307
02:39:08,948 --> 02:39:12,868
TV every day, seeing the news and the impact of

1308
02:39:12,908 --> 02:39:16,468
the increase of gas prices on their lives as well

1309
02:39:16,468 --> 02:39:19,829
as everyday essentials. They want to assure better quality of

1310
02:39:19,869 --> 02:39:24,403
life for themselves and their family. Research shows that stable

1311
02:39:24,403 --> 02:39:30,069
housing's linked to improve wellbeing. Stronger community engagement. And greater

1312
02:39:30,109 --> 02:39:35,662
economic opportunity. Linamar and all employers will benefit from more

1313
02:39:35,702 --> 02:39:42,549
affordable housing as well. Affordable housing supports workforce stability. It

1314
02:39:42,589 --> 02:39:46,487
improves recruitment and retention. It helps reduce our turnover costs.

1315
02:39:47,584 --> 02:39:52,431
And helps organisations rang competitive in attracting skilled employees. The

1316
02:39:52,532 --> 02:39:55,071
more of our employees who can live locally, the more

1317
02:39:55,092 --> 02:39:58,831
they can support local businesses that can volunteer and communities

1318
02:39:59,652 --> 02:40:02,591
that can participate in civic life and help create more

1319
02:40:03,332 --> 02:40:06,948
vibrant neighbourhoods. Therefore, we know affordable housing is not just

1320
02:40:07,129 --> 02:40:10,788
a social issue. It's an economic development issue. And for

1321
02:40:10,788 --> 02:40:14,207
us, it's a workforce issue. I want to thank you

1322
02:40:14,247 --> 02:40:17,007
for listening to, uh, this afternoon. I want to thank

1323
02:40:17,007 --> 02:40:21,061
you for the work you're doing, building stronger communities. A

1324
02:40:21,101 --> 02:40:23,861
community where everyone can live, work and thrive in the

1325
02:40:23,861 --> 02:40:27,160
same place. Thanks for your time and for investing in

1326
02:40:27,200 --> 02:40:33,302
the prosperity of the region. Thank you so much, Sean.

1327
02:40:33,302 --> 02:40:36,342
Um, we really appreciate it. Uh, on behalf of Linamar

1328
02:40:36,363 --> 02:40:38,742
being here today. Thank you. And is there any follow

1329
02:40:38,742 --> 02:40:43,070
- up questions for Sean. There isn't. So thank you

1330
02:40:43,110 --> 02:40:48,430
very much. And Valerie Valerie's coming up here, uh, on

1331
02:40:48,470 --> 02:40:52,544
behalf of the Indigenous skills, employment apprenticeship and development. So

1332
02:40:52,645 --> 02:40:59,166
thank you Valerie. And is Lainey here. Okay. You're in

1333
02:40:59,166 --> 02:41:03,822
the wings. Okay. Over to you Valerie. Thank you. Good

1334
02:41:03,923 --> 02:41:11,229
afternoon. Uh, your worship councillors Chimique Witch. Wilayland for having

1335
02:41:11,269 --> 02:41:13,149
me here today to speak with you. My name is

1336
02:41:13,170 --> 02:41:15,869
Valerie Vanderky and I am a Mike Mal First Nations

1337
02:41:15,909 --> 02:41:19,709
woman. My family originated from what is now known as

1338
02:41:19,810 --> 02:41:24,109
Halifax Nova Scotia and Blackpoint Rusty - Gush County in

1339
02:41:24,149 --> 02:41:27,469
New Brunswick. I currently reside in the traditional territory of

1340
02:41:27,509 --> 02:41:30,829
the Hodneshone people of the Longhouse. Six nations of the

1341
02:41:30,850 --> 02:41:35,589
Grand River in Haldeman County inside the Haldeman tract. I

1342
02:41:35,589 --> 02:41:38,589
am forever grateful to the Six Nations of the Grand

1343
02:41:38,629 --> 02:41:42,349
River and the Mississauga's of Credit for their stewardship of

1344
02:41:42,349 --> 02:41:45,869
the land, where I am allowed to live and raise

1345
02:41:45,890 --> 02:41:50,109
my family. Um, I come here today representing Indigenous skills

1346
02:41:50,149 --> 02:41:52,429
employment apprenticeship and development. And I'm just going to take

1347
02:41:52,469 --> 02:41:54,749
a couple of minutes. I have no slides. I wrote

1348
02:41:54,789 --> 02:41:57,709
nothing down. I'm just going to wing it for everybody.

1349
02:41:57,709 --> 02:42:00,989
Um, we are a national not - for - profit

1350
02:42:01,010 --> 02:42:05,469
organisation whose mandate is to ensure equitable access and opportunity

1351
02:42:05,570 --> 02:42:11,229
for Indigenous people in their communities to access employment, training,

1352
02:42:11,229 --> 02:42:15,069
and apprenticeship in the skilled trades along with economic development

1353
02:42:15,410 --> 02:42:18,909
and social enterprise. So we cover all sectors of training

1354
02:42:19,570 --> 02:42:22,909
through funding and grant monies that we receive through partners

1355
02:42:23,250 --> 02:42:27,929
in the building trades corporations through other community groups. And

1356
02:42:27,929 --> 02:42:32,669
it covers all spectrums of opportunities for employment and training.

1357
02:42:32,669 --> 02:42:38,749
Um, when I was first approached by Home Opportunities and

1358
02:42:38,749 --> 02:42:41,949
the inquiry that they were making with regards to those

1359
02:42:42,050 --> 02:42:45,389
pieces that are so important for eye seed, as we

1360
02:42:45,389 --> 02:42:50,037
call it. I'm reminded, again, as a First Nations woman

1361
02:42:50,218 --> 02:42:53,610
of the Crown's duty to consult. Under sections 25 and

1362
02:42:53,631 --> 02:42:57,690
35 of the Constitution Act of 1982. I am reminded

1363
02:42:57,791 --> 02:43:00,810
of the truth and reconciliation commission call to action number

1364
02:43:00,991 --> 02:43:04,410
92, asking business to stand up and do their part

1365
02:43:04,911 --> 02:43:08,090
and reconciliation with the First Nations people of this country

1366
02:43:08,431 --> 02:43:11,770
across the land. I am reminded of the United Nations

1367
02:43:12,031 --> 02:43:15,050
Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous people and the act

1368
02:43:15,090 --> 02:43:19,130
that followed it here in Canada when it was adopted.

1369
02:43:19,130 --> 02:43:22,490
And my opportunity to work with, uh, Mike Le Bay

1370
02:43:22,751 --> 02:43:26,970
has shown me that with the right intentions, with proper

1371
02:43:27,231 --> 02:43:33,130
consultation, these partnerships can be formed relationships built and obstacles

1372
02:43:33,151 --> 02:43:36,890
overcome before they even begin. It's been my sincere pleasure

1373
02:43:36,890 --> 02:43:40,730
to work with this consortium ensuring that the Mississaugas of

1374
02:43:40,911 --> 02:43:43,690
credit First Nation. And the Six Nations of the Grand

1375
02:43:43,730 --> 02:43:46,890
River both had their voices heard with this group of

1376
02:43:46,991 --> 02:43:52,090
individuals. Um, a large portion of Indigenous people live off

1377
02:43:52,191 --> 02:43:57,930
reserve the vast majority simply because housing space, affordability, multi

1378
02:43:57,951 --> 02:44:03,450
- generational families living together, overcrowding, uh, leading to increased

1379
02:44:03,631 --> 02:44:07,190
illness, disease, poor water quality. I could go on, but

1380
02:44:07,190 --> 02:44:11,370
I only have six minutes left. So, um, these opportunities

1381
02:44:11,791 --> 02:44:15,930
in working in partnership with this consortium affords Indigenous people

1382
02:44:16,031 --> 02:44:19,290
living off reserve, the exact same opportunity as anyone else

1383
02:44:19,631 --> 02:44:24,330
to enter into affordable home ownership based on their income.

1384
02:44:26,716 --> 02:44:29,415
Which is not something that many of them have the

1385
02:44:29,455 --> 02:44:33,815
opportunity to attain living on reserve. So we're very proud

1386
02:44:33,855 --> 02:44:35,895
of the fact that we've been able to facilitate these

1387
02:44:35,996 --> 02:44:39,495
discussions and that we've been able to forge forward with

1388
02:44:39,916 --> 02:44:43,095
partnership and understanding and clear support from both of these

1389
02:44:43,196 --> 02:44:46,615
nations as is so important considering where we're looking at

1390
02:44:46,655 --> 02:44:49,460
putting this development. I'm going to share with you a

1391
02:44:49,500 --> 02:44:53,255
personal story. My husband passed away a year and a

1392
02:44:53,255 --> 02:44:57,725
half ago. Five years prior to his passing, he worked

1393
02:44:57,765 --> 02:45:03,208
for Jerôce Manufacturing here in Guelph. As a project manager

1394
02:45:04,349 --> 02:45:09,157
and manufacturing engineering technologist throughout the pandemic, throughout everything. We

1395
02:45:09,258 --> 02:45:13,240
live in Kiyouga, Ontario. His commute was an hour and

1396
02:45:13,240 --> 02:45:17,751
a half. Here. And sometimes two hours home, depending on

1397
02:45:17,892 --> 02:45:22,226
traffic. Many's the time I wanted to relocate to Guelph

1398
02:45:22,266 --> 02:45:24,706
to take that load off of him so that he

1399
02:45:24,746 --> 02:45:27,186
could give back to his family the three to four

1400
02:45:27,287 --> 02:45:31,306
hours that he was spending commuting. Unfortunately for us, we

1401
02:45:31,447 --> 02:45:37,772
were unable to afford a home. In Gwelph. So a

1402
02:45:37,772 --> 02:45:40,172
large portion of his time was spent commuting instead of

1403
02:45:40,212 --> 02:45:43,276
spending it with his son, his daughter and myself. Were

1404
02:45:43,316 --> 02:45:46,716
grateful to Jerô's manufacturing for providing us with an income

1405
02:45:46,897 --> 02:45:51,459
that allowed us to maintain our lifestyle in Kiyuga. So

1406
02:45:51,560 --> 02:45:54,579
I would ask Council to please put forward your best

1407
02:45:54,840 --> 02:45:58,259
and foremost consideration on the impact that developments like this

1408
02:45:58,760 --> 02:46:01,779
can do to change the lives of individuals who want

1409
02:46:01,819 --> 02:46:07,311
to live, work and flourish. In Guelph. Chimique Wedge, Will

1410
02:46:07,332 --> 02:46:10,786
England. Well, thank you so much. And thank you for

1411
02:46:11,527 --> 02:46:14,626
sharing that story difficult to do, but we appreciate that

1412
02:46:14,727 --> 02:46:17,506
very much. And, uh, thank you for coming to make

1413
02:46:17,546 --> 02:46:19,906
the presentation. Is there a follow - up at all

1414
02:46:19,927 --> 02:46:24,134
at this time. There isn't, but on behalf of Council

1415
02:46:24,174 --> 02:46:27,574
again, thank you very, very much. Uh, let's go to

1416
02:46:27,915 --> 02:46:32,554
Lainey. I think that's next. And then is, uh, Viran

1417
02:46:32,594 --> 02:46:41,806
here. Okay. You're in the wings. Okay, Vern. All right.

1418
02:46:41,806 --> 02:46:43,646
Thank you very much for coming. I'll turn it over

1419
02:46:43,646 --> 02:46:49,661
to you. Okay. Good afternoon, Mayor Council members and everyone

1420
02:46:49,661 --> 02:46:52,301
else here. This is my first time in this Chambers.

1421
02:46:54,500 --> 02:46:57,716
So. I'm relying on you to educate me on the

1422
02:46:57,716 --> 02:47:03,280
way this goes. My name is Lainey Hayles and I'm

1423
02:47:03,381 --> 02:47:06,880
an immigrant to Guelph. I came 30 something years ago

1424
02:47:07,541 --> 02:47:14,052
as an immigrant international student, University of Guelph. And I

1425
02:47:14,153 --> 02:47:16,932
have left and lived overseas and came back. I work

1426
02:47:16,953 --> 02:47:20,852
here. I am an adult educator. I raised a teenager

1427
02:47:20,873 --> 02:47:26,825
here. And I have been a volunteer. I've coached basketball.

1428
02:47:26,825 --> 02:47:31,085
I worked with or volunteered with the Guelph Museum. And

1429
02:47:31,085 --> 02:47:35,325
a various other organisations, Black History Society, black heritage society.

1430
02:47:35,325 --> 02:47:40,765
But I just recently graduated from Wilfred Laurier. I just

1431
02:47:40,765 --> 02:47:44,205
completed a master's degree in clinical psychotherapy. And I'm looking

1432
02:47:44,245 --> 02:47:47,645
for working wealth. I've been doing a lot of commuting

1433
02:47:48,226 --> 02:47:52,075
back and forth. Um, but I am a long -

1434
02:47:52,075 --> 02:47:55,675
term and a long time renter in wealth. I have

1435
02:47:55,675 --> 02:47:59,211
never owned a house in Guelph. And I have been

1436
02:47:59,251 --> 02:48:01,691
living in Guelph for a total of 15 years now.

1437
02:48:03,285 --> 02:48:08,224
So I'm very grateful to Guelph. I have a history

1438
02:48:08,245 --> 02:48:11,024
here. My father came here as a university student in

1439
02:48:11,064 --> 02:48:14,304
1957. And my brother and sister were born here as

1440
02:48:14,304 --> 02:48:19,824
well. But today I'm here to support The Call for

1441
02:48:19,864 --> 02:48:24,847
Affordable Housing Projects in Guelph for Working People. For working

1442
02:48:25,188 --> 02:48:29,379
families, particularly. I have three points I would like to

1443
02:48:29,379 --> 02:48:34,080
share with you. First and foremost. And I think this

1444
02:48:34,101 --> 02:48:38,320
goes, and I hope this goes without saying. Everyone deserves.

1445
02:48:41,112 --> 02:48:47,891
The security and dignity of a safe, affordable home and

1446
02:48:47,931 --> 02:48:53,951
community. Working educated, single - headed households like mine.

1447
02:48:57,906 --> 02:49:02,205
We are forced to spend a significant amount of our

1448
02:49:02,386 --> 02:49:08,745
income and time. To meet a basic need called shelter.

1449
02:49:10,678 --> 02:49:16,497
And we already service for profit landlords, rich bankers, mortgage

1450
02:49:16,537 --> 02:49:20,217
corporations, which may not even necessarily be in Guelph. So

1451
02:49:20,358 --> 02:49:25,377
my question to you is will you really consider what's

1452
02:49:25,377 --> 02:49:30,497
being presented here and serve working citizens, local citizens like

1453
02:49:30,518 --> 02:49:38,555
us. Second, wealth working residents, we need a range of

1454
02:49:38,976 --> 02:49:46,370
housing alternatives in various geographic areas. Restrictive boundaries and the

1455
02:49:46,370 --> 02:49:52,210
stigma of subsidized housing projects, also known as hoods in

1456
02:49:52,210 --> 02:49:57,330
my vernacular. Um, it deters working individuals and families like

1457
02:49:57,370 --> 02:50:03,430
myself from finding a stable place to call home. So

1458
02:50:03,771 --> 02:50:08,470
my plea to you is, would you consider releasing spaces

1459
02:50:08,491 --> 02:50:13,350
that encourage us to live locally? Because that way we

1460
02:50:13,350 --> 02:50:17,947
can live and work. More in a more productive and

1461
02:50:17,968 --> 02:50:27,429
satisfactory life locally. Third. Your wealth territorial

1462
02:50:27,850 --> 02:50:36,366
acknowledgement states that we're guests here. And we have the

1463
02:50:36,366 --> 02:50:39,566
responsibility to care for the land, the people who live

1464
02:50:39,606 --> 02:50:44,052
here now. And generations to come. I appreciate it hearing

1465
02:50:44,073 --> 02:50:49,448
that in the territory acknowledgement. And I'm wondering, don't you

1466
02:50:49,448 --> 02:50:56,268
think it behooves us to. Now make intentional sustainable decisions

1467
02:50:56,449 --> 02:51:04,814
regarding land stewardship and local humanity. Please make good on

1468
02:51:04,915 --> 02:51:12,941
reconciliation. Rhetoric. Um, and move towards making land access more

1469
02:51:13,202 --> 02:51:20,359
equitable. So overall, basically what I'm asking for is to

1470
02:51:20,620 --> 02:51:25,639
choose compassion and ethical decision making in your decisions and

1471
02:51:25,639 --> 02:51:30,199
considering, um, what we're talking about today. Um, I'm asking

1472
02:51:30,540 --> 02:51:40,359
for investment. Invest in solutions that centre people in dignified,

1473
02:51:40,359 --> 02:51:45,439
um, and for a mutual benefit. Allow affordable access to

1474
02:51:45,700 --> 02:51:50,653
land. That it can so it can meet our basic

1475
02:51:50,834 --> 02:51:57,197
housing needs and maximize housing opportunities. Let's show that our

1476
02:51:57,218 --> 02:52:06,397
city is not backed by single focus, high level establishment.

1477
02:52:07,918 --> 02:52:12,857
Parties. Um, and welcomes residents of all types and backgrounds,

1478
02:52:12,857 --> 02:52:17,421
all types of backgrounds and income levels. I also want

1479
02:52:17,421 --> 02:52:20,621
to mention that as an adult educator, I teach immigrants

1480
02:52:21,042 --> 02:52:24,861
and refugees mostly in the Kitchener Watler area, but I've

1481
02:52:24,901 --> 02:52:27,581
also been an educator at University of Guelph and in

1482
02:52:27,682 --> 02:52:32,461
the community here, action read downtown Guelt of my students

1483
02:52:34,082 --> 02:52:36,701
are, the majority of them are actually refugees and immigrants

1484
02:52:37,442 --> 02:52:41,181
or low income. And a lot of them work at

1485
02:52:41,181 --> 02:52:47,499
Linamar. Eritrean students particularly. And they're commuting from Kitchener Waterloo.

1486
02:52:48,152 --> 02:52:50,371
So I've seen them and I hear them and they

1487
02:52:50,371 --> 02:52:52,931
speak to me about what, you know, wealth means to

1488
02:52:52,931 --> 02:52:57,971
them. And for me, you know, I'm speaking for citizens.

1489
02:52:57,971 --> 02:53:00,851
I am a, I'm working. I'm actually educated as I

1490
02:53:00,891 --> 02:53:06,799
mentioned. But I'm constantly wondering, can I stay in Gulf?

1491
02:53:06,799 --> 02:53:10,679
I really have roots in Guell from my family, as

1492
02:53:10,679 --> 02:53:15,119
I mentioned. But I am constantly debating whether I can

1493
02:53:15,220 --> 02:53:18,559
stay here. And whether, you know, the work that I'm

1494
02:53:18,900 --> 02:53:22,879
constantly commuting to or school in Kitchener Waterloo is worth

1495
02:53:22,900 --> 02:53:24,959
it for me to stay here. But I have my

1496
02:53:25,220 --> 02:53:27,839
feet here. I want to be here. I made a

1497
02:53:27,839 --> 02:53:32,079
choice to come back to Guelph at my more advanced

1498
02:53:32,180 --> 02:53:37,519
age. So Mike, please, um, ask you to really consider

1499
02:53:38,580 --> 02:53:43,519
these points and to think about, um, the other people

1500
02:53:43,540 --> 02:53:45,999
who are like myself and working people, people who work

1501
02:53:46,039 --> 02:53:50,993
very hard. Thank you for this opportunity. Well, thank you

1502
02:53:50,993 --> 02:53:54,073
very much. Was it difficult your first time here? We

1503
02:53:54,073 --> 02:53:56,845
make it pretty comfortable, right? Oh, you mean right now

1504
02:53:57,026 --> 02:53:59,085
here? Yeah, it was pretty easy, right? It's a little

1505
02:53:59,186 --> 02:54:06,525
chilly in this. Okay. Other than the temperature, it's pretty

1506
02:54:06,525 --> 02:54:08,205
good. All right. It was pretty good. Good. I like

1507
02:54:08,205 --> 02:54:10,925
that. Um, well, you did great for your first time.

1508
02:54:10,925 --> 02:54:13,165
Okay. Just want to make sure everyone, everyone's always comfortable

1509
02:54:13,186 --> 02:54:16,045
here. So it's, it's good. This is community. Right. So

1510
02:54:16,466 --> 02:54:19,405
is there any questions by anyone? Okay. Councillor Busatil has

1511
02:54:19,405 --> 02:54:23,916
a question. Through the mayor. Thank you very much for

1512
02:54:24,017 --> 02:54:29,279
your presentation, Lainey. Resonates very much with me. I often

1513
02:54:29,319 --> 02:54:31,819
talked about my dental hygienist that drives all the way

1514
02:54:31,860 --> 02:54:36,079
in from Shelburn. Same kind of situation, affordability here local.

1515
02:54:36,079 --> 02:54:39,279
But in your delegation, you talked, you urged us to

1516
02:54:39,279 --> 02:54:42,879
think about a range of housing. And you made reference

1517
02:54:42,919 --> 02:54:46,699
to, you know, subsidized public kind of community housing. And

1518
02:54:46,699 --> 02:54:49,679
so I'm asking you in your on the ground kind

1519
02:54:49,679 --> 02:54:54,079
of experience, if this kind of a model creates space

1520
02:54:54,580 --> 02:54:57,519
for some of the residents who are in paying market

1521
02:54:57,700 --> 02:55:03,679
rent in community housing, social housing, public housing to move.

1522
02:55:03,679 --> 02:55:06,159
Because when you talk about a range of housing, we

1523
02:55:06,580 --> 02:55:10,479
desperately need more public housing. So when you think about

1524
02:55:10,820 --> 02:55:15,119
your range, is there that possibility to create a movement

1525
02:55:15,300 --> 02:55:20,664
in that parking lot where we're kind of stuck. When

1526
02:55:20,704 --> 02:55:24,264
you say, if I may ask, when you say a

1527
02:55:24,264 --> 02:55:29,157
range, you're talking about same location. In the City of

1528
02:55:29,197 --> 02:55:32,517
Guelph, yes. A range. You talked about a range of

1529
02:55:32,858 --> 02:55:35,557
housing. Okay. So it can be both ways. It can

1530
02:55:35,557 --> 02:55:39,717
be various locations, which I refer to. Right. I'm also

1531
02:55:39,978 --> 02:55:43,717
talking about diversity in one area. You know, there is

1532
02:55:43,757 --> 02:55:47,237
more things that connect us. And there are differences if

1533
02:55:47,237 --> 02:55:51,917
we actually are connected. Like somebody had referred to. I

1534
02:55:51,917 --> 02:55:54,277
can't remember who it was, you know, helping people in

1535
02:55:54,277 --> 02:55:57,957
the community. So when I talk about arrange, you know,

1536
02:55:58,058 --> 02:56:00,517
you get one time, yeah, you get can get, have

1537
02:56:00,517 --> 02:56:03,117
one type of income in one place that kind of

1538
02:56:03,117 --> 02:56:07,477
creates a stigma, you know, as I mentioned. But you're

1539
02:56:07,477 --> 02:56:10,597
talking about in the same location. That's a very good

1540
02:56:10,618 --> 02:56:15,317
thing, but I was also referring to different locations in

1541
02:56:15,338 --> 02:56:22,277
wealth, you know, for diversing the city of Guelph, different

1542
02:56:22,277 --> 02:56:25,882
places. So you're not thinking of the inner city. You

1543
02:56:25,882 --> 02:56:30,122
know? Is that answer your question? Perfect. Thank you. Great.

1544
02:56:30,122 --> 02:56:32,682
And seeing nothing further, thank you again for joining us.

1545
02:56:32,682 --> 02:56:35,002
We appreciate it. We'll see you back here another time,

1546
02:56:35,002 --> 02:56:40,933
hopefully. Okay. Varying, command forward. Just as Viren is getting

1547
02:56:40,933 --> 02:56:43,973
ready, I just, I'm just minding to make sure from

1548
02:56:43,994 --> 02:56:46,133
a, come on for it. Yeah. I was an agenda

1549
02:56:46,394 --> 02:56:49,025
management. I want to make sure everyone's kind of hearing

1550
02:56:49,046 --> 02:56:53,414
me out on this. We have one, two, three, four,

1551
02:56:53,454 --> 02:56:58,002
five, six, we have seven at a minimum. Of more

1552
02:56:58,042 --> 02:57:01,778
people that are signed up for delegating. Then I have

1553
02:57:01,778 --> 02:57:03,538
to open it up to the floor. Then I have

1554
02:57:03,538 --> 02:57:06,338
to open it up for people to, to, to call

1555
02:57:06,378 --> 02:57:09,778
in. And I'm just going to be really upfront with

1556
02:57:09,818 --> 02:57:13,661
everybody here. Council has to take a break. Okay. We

1557
02:57:13,701 --> 02:57:17,476
have to have a break. So when I look at

1558
02:57:17,516 --> 02:57:20,836
the agenda and I look at all the other stuff

1559
02:57:20,876 --> 02:57:25,156
that's on our agenda, I just want to say that

1560
02:57:25,177 --> 02:57:30,770
the next agenda item. Is the ward heritage conservation district.

1561
02:57:32,903 --> 02:57:37,190
And we have a presentation. And then one delegation. And

1562
02:57:37,230 --> 02:57:41,990
we have the urban design master plan for Duke Street,

1563
02:57:41,990 --> 02:57:47,726
Midtown Village. I would not be surprised that we don't

1564
02:57:47,726 --> 02:57:57,131
even start. The ward heritage is conservation district. Until like

1565
02:57:57,872 --> 02:58:02,294
730 quarter to eight. So if the reason why I'm

1566
02:58:02,294 --> 02:58:04,374
saying that is so that if there are people here

1567
02:58:05,115 --> 02:58:12,294
that are waiting around for that agenda item, okay? If

1568
02:58:12,315 --> 02:58:16,934
you are here in this room for the urban design

1569
02:58:17,115 --> 02:58:20,054
master plan and the delegations that are signed up for

1570
02:58:20,054 --> 02:58:26,206
that, like that, that could be eight, eight, 15. Okay.

1571
02:58:26,246 --> 02:58:27,646
Like, so I'm just trying to make sure everyone is

1572
02:58:27,686 --> 02:58:30,006
hearing, hearing what it is in case you want to

1573
02:58:30,006 --> 02:58:32,206
go for a coffee or something like that. Come back

1574
02:58:32,227 --> 02:58:35,326
later. Okay. So please just be aware of time everybody

1575
02:58:35,507 --> 02:58:37,886
as we continue on in our agenda. And we are

1576
02:58:37,907 --> 02:58:40,286
going to go through the delegations, which is another hour.

1577
02:58:41,760 --> 02:58:44,219
At least. And then we're going to take a half

1578
02:58:44,259 --> 02:58:47,652
an hour break after that. Okay. So right now, uh,

1579
02:58:47,933 --> 02:58:50,712
Veren, thanks for letting me interrupt you. And, uh, you

1580
02:58:50,752 --> 02:58:57,800
have the floor. Okay. Go right ahead. Hello, Councillor. And

1581
02:58:57,800 --> 02:59:00,637
hello, everyone. My name is Viren and I'm working for

1582
02:59:00,978 --> 02:59:04,429
a Linamar in a Gulf. I live in a boost

1583
02:59:04,450 --> 02:59:09,565
talk. And I travel about an hour each way. To

1584
02:59:09,826 --> 02:59:15,652
work every day. While I enjoy my job commuting has

1585
02:59:16,073 --> 02:59:21,586
its challenges. I spend around two hours on the day.

1586
02:59:21,586 --> 02:59:25,666
Uh, sorry. I spent around two hour a day on

1587
02:59:25,666 --> 02:59:33,067
the road. Which takes time away from my family. Exercise

1588
02:59:33,168 --> 02:59:40,927
and work community. This is my first time. Sorry. And

1589
02:59:40,967 --> 02:59:47,074
community activities. The cost of gas vehicle maintenance and repairs

1590
02:59:47,335 --> 02:59:55,265
at sub quickly. Weather can make more weather canuting even

1591
02:59:55,286 --> 03:00:00,732
more difficult. Winter storm snow ice. And poor road conditions.

1592
03:00:01,379 --> 03:00:06,573
Can make travel unsafe and cost delays. In December 2025,

1593
03:00:06,834 --> 03:00:09,933
CVR weather close highway 401 between V stock and gulf.

1594
03:00:10,766 --> 03:00:15,171
Preventing me from getting to work. Another winterstorm on January

1595
03:00:15,432 --> 03:00:22,832
15 2026 also made travel unsafe. This disruption affect many

1596
03:00:22,853 --> 03:00:28,100
workers who commute from nearby communities. The main reason I

1597
03:00:28,140 --> 03:00:33,458
live in Vstock. Is affordability. Housing there is more within

1598
03:00:33,458 --> 03:00:39,055
my budget than housing in a Gulf. Like many families.

1599
03:00:39,055 --> 03:00:41,615
I choose to leave where I could afford a stable

1600
03:00:41,636 --> 03:00:48,647
home. If more affordable housing were available in a GOV,

1601
03:00:48,647 --> 03:00:52,681
I would seriously consider moving here. Living closer to work

1602
03:00:52,942 --> 03:00:56,475
would reduce commuting time and cost. Give me more time.

1603
03:00:57,928 --> 03:01:03,151
With my family. I know many other workers. Faced the

1604
03:01:03,151 --> 03:01:07,717
same situation. More affordable housing in a gulf would help

1605
03:01:07,738 --> 03:01:11,413
people live closer to their jobs. Improve their quality of

1606
03:01:11,453 --> 03:01:16,998
lifes. And strengthen the community. Thank you for considering the

1607
03:01:17,259 --> 03:01:22,118
experiences of people like me. Who would welcome to who

1608
03:01:22,118 --> 03:01:25,638
would welcome the opportunity to live and work in the

1609
03:01:25,638 --> 03:01:29,646
same community. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you very

1610
03:01:29,686 --> 03:01:33,006
much. Yeah, we appreciate your presentation and your thoughts on

1611
03:01:33,006 --> 03:01:35,246
it too. Let me just see if the follow -

1612
03:01:35,246 --> 03:01:39,088
up question from Councillor Galler. Okay. Thank you. And through

1613
03:01:39,088 --> 03:01:41,328
your worship too. Mr. Chara. Thank you very much for

1614
03:01:41,909 --> 03:01:44,128
presenting today. Could you let me know how long have

1615
03:01:44,128 --> 03:01:48,608
you been looking to move and to unleaven wealth? Almost

1616
03:01:48,608 --> 03:01:51,568
from last two years past two years. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

1617
03:01:51,669 --> 03:01:54,608
I appreciate that. Thank you very much for presenting. Thank

1618
03:01:54,608 --> 03:01:57,913
you. Seeing nothing further. We appreciate your point of view.

1619
03:01:57,913 --> 03:02:02,705
Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Okay. Terry. You already

1620
03:02:02,745 --> 03:02:06,986
are in the wings. We appreciate that. Marva, you're here,

1621
03:02:06,986 --> 03:02:09,786
right? You're in the wings now. Okay. Terry, thanks for

1622
03:02:09,786 --> 03:02:13,626
joining us. Go right ahead. Hello everyone. My name is

1623
03:02:13,647 --> 03:02:18,586
Terrie Jarvis. I'm a retiree living in Ward 6 and

1624
03:02:18,626 --> 03:02:22,666
I'm also an active volunteer in our Great Gulf community,

1625
03:02:22,666 --> 03:02:27,206
especially through my rotary club. I love this city, but

1626
03:02:27,407 --> 03:02:30,026
like many of us are worry about our lack of

1627
03:02:30,047 --> 03:02:33,226
affordable housing. So I'm here tonight to speak from the

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03:02:33,407 --> 03:02:37,113
heart. And I have just three brief points. The first

1629
03:02:37,153 --> 03:02:41,193
is that I see it's, the near impossibility for many

1630
03:02:41,294 --> 03:02:46,312
young people to get onto the Home Ownership ladder. Secondly,

1631
03:02:47,133 --> 03:02:51,752
without affordable housing, many talented employees often cannot come to

1632
03:02:52,653 --> 03:02:56,232
nor stay in Guelph, which also places stress on businesses

1633
03:02:56,253 --> 03:02:59,512
and employers that need their local talent to be living

1634
03:02:59,613 --> 03:03:05,512
nearby. Furthermore, point not mentioned so far is that I

1635
03:03:05,512 --> 03:03:09,352
believe there are many older folks on fixed incomes who

1636
03:03:09,392 --> 03:03:13,992
also need affordable housing and would love to downsize perhaps

1637
03:03:14,333 --> 03:03:18,552
and live independently in a multi - generational neighbourhood near

1638
03:03:18,893 --> 03:03:23,477
shocks. We have before us a really remarkable opportunity here

1639
03:03:23,658 --> 03:03:27,717
that has been spelled out. And so I have today

1640
03:03:27,978 --> 03:03:32,226
just a simple request to the City. Please prioritize this

1641
03:03:32,487 --> 03:03:36,466
rezoning so that an amazing project can move forward and

1642
03:03:36,506 --> 03:03:41,106
make a lot more affordable housing available in growth sooner

1643
03:03:41,127 --> 03:03:45,705
rather than later. Thank you. Well, thank you, Terrie. Thanks

1644
03:03:45,705 --> 03:03:48,185
for hanging around for that. And is there any follow

1645
03:03:48,185 --> 03:03:52,054
- up for Terry at all. There is not. Thank

1646
03:03:52,054 --> 03:03:55,899
you very much. Oh, I'm sorry, Terry. I do need

1647
03:03:55,939 --> 03:03:59,019
you to stick around. I did not see Councillor Choose

1648
03:03:59,059 --> 03:04:01,579
Hand go up. So please stick around Councillor 2 over

1649
03:04:01,579 --> 03:04:06,566
to you. Thank you, Thierry, Mr. Mayor. Just a very

1650
03:04:06,566 --> 03:04:10,726
quick question. Uh, Terry, would you mind sharing where you

1651
03:04:10,726 --> 03:04:12,486
live? I'm just curious to see if you live in

1652
03:04:12,667 --> 03:04:16,246
proximity to this project. And if, uh, that played any

1653
03:04:16,286 --> 03:04:20,301
influence in your support for this project. No, I'm going

1654
03:04:20,301 --> 03:04:25,581
to just interject. That's not relevant where people live anyone

1655
03:04:25,602 --> 03:04:29,741
that can come up and speak their mind on something.

1656
03:04:29,741 --> 03:04:33,821
It doesn't matter about location. Um, so Terry, I don't,

1657
03:04:33,821 --> 03:04:36,061
I don't think, I will leave it up to you

1658
03:04:36,101 --> 03:04:39,341
to answer that question, but it's not something that's normally

1659
03:04:40,002 --> 03:04:43,421
needed to be answered. Okay. So I'll lead up in

1660
03:04:43,421 --> 03:04:50,392
the air, phrase that question. Sure. Okay. I'm just curious,

1661
03:04:50,392 --> 03:04:54,872
uh, what your experiences in this area. And if that's

1662
03:04:54,872 --> 03:05:00,210
influenced your support for this project. I speak really as

1663
03:05:00,210 --> 03:05:07,202
a concerned and compassionate citizen worried for others. Perfect. Thank

1664
03:05:07,202 --> 03:05:09,282
you. Council Archer, are you okay then? You still have

1665
03:05:09,282 --> 03:05:12,962
the floor if you have a thank you. Okay. Thank

1666
03:05:13,002 --> 03:05:19,726
you, Terry. Marva, come on down. Mike, I think I

1667
03:05:19,726 --> 03:05:22,526
saw you here in the front row, right Mike? Yep.

1668
03:05:22,547 --> 03:05:26,140
You're in the wings, Mike. Marva over to you. Thank

1669
03:05:26,140 --> 03:05:35,879
you for joining us. Uh, thank you, your worship.

1670
03:05:37,485 --> 03:05:42,584
Members of Council and members of the community, uh, the

1671
03:05:42,624 --> 03:05:48,264
Home Opportunities team. I first met, um, uh, John Farley.

1672
03:05:50,724 --> 03:05:55,023
Who made a presentation to our rotary club, uh, probably

1673
03:05:55,023 --> 03:05:57,983
about two and a half years ago about this incredible

1674
03:05:58,484 --> 03:06:02,383
opportunity for our community. And so I am thinking that

1675
03:06:02,484 --> 03:06:05,583
we're a little bit behind in terms of, uh, the

1676
03:06:05,604 --> 03:06:08,703
delivery of the presentation that you made that we were

1677
03:06:08,703 --> 03:06:13,343
also excited about many community members. As the mayor has

1678
03:06:13,383 --> 03:06:15,943
said, my name is Marva Bailey Wisdom. And I am

1679
03:06:16,164 --> 03:06:21,823
a proud gulfig since 1985. As that's 41 years ago,

1680
03:06:21,823 --> 03:06:24,783
uh, I moved here to Guelph. And at the time,

1681
03:06:24,783 --> 03:06:26,703
I think I was 25 years old. Don't do the

1682
03:06:26,743 --> 03:06:30,171
math. Whatever you do. But we were able to afford

1683
03:06:30,272 --> 03:06:34,491
to purchase a home then. And I know now that

1684
03:06:34,531 --> 03:06:37,531
would be really impossible for 25 year old to move

1685
03:06:37,952 --> 03:06:41,851
to Guelph and purchase a home. Like many in this

1686
03:06:41,872 --> 03:06:45,611
room, I love my community and together we work to

1687
03:06:45,651 --> 03:06:49,771
make it a welcoming place, uh, when we all can

1688
03:06:49,811 --> 03:06:54,633
strive. We can thrive and we certainly can flourish. This

1689
03:06:54,633 --> 03:06:57,433
evening I will share the whys and the promise of

1690
03:06:57,694 --> 03:07:02,313
Guelph very briefly. And I do urge counsel to consider,

1691
03:07:02,313 --> 03:07:07,833
uh, the designating with, with of course staff, appropriating industrial

1692
03:07:07,934 --> 03:07:12,992
or employment lands for affordable residential housing. The benefits are

1693
03:07:13,013 --> 03:07:17,552
significant and wealth can become a model for other Canadian

1694
03:07:17,653 --> 03:07:26,024
communities. And listening to qualifieds, some of the promises includes,

1695
03:07:26,024 --> 03:07:30,024
uh, what I heard I was very honoured to be

1696
03:07:30,685 --> 03:07:35,224
a member of Wells Community Plan and External Lead Advisor

1697
03:07:35,224 --> 03:07:40,664
to the plan, which was 2018 and 2019. And in

1698
03:07:40,704 --> 03:07:46,886
the plan. Uh, it talks about the plan becoming Guelph's

1699
03:07:46,926 --> 03:07:51,046
foundational vision for the City's strategic plan and that it

1700
03:07:51,086 --> 03:07:54,886
has guided many of the city's master plans. Its vision

1701
03:07:54,907 --> 03:07:59,593
is one that I believe this proposal directly supports. The

1702
03:07:59,694 --> 03:08:06,393
community plan has several planks, including housing, including affordable housing.

1703
03:08:07,562 --> 03:08:10,741
And it tells us that we love where we live.

1704
03:08:10,741 --> 03:08:13,121
That's what a lot of things that we heard, um,

1705
03:08:13,121 --> 03:08:18,181
in the community. That we value green, walkable neighbourhoods where

1706
03:08:18,181 --> 03:08:21,541
people are connected and can remain in their communities as

1707
03:08:21,581 --> 03:08:24,821
they age. The recreation centre that is going to be

1708
03:08:24,821 --> 03:08:28,821
in the South and certainly the emergency services that are

1709
03:08:28,821 --> 03:08:34,661
there shopping the green spaces. It is uniquely situated for

1710
03:08:35,242 --> 03:08:40,622
families and for individuals who need housing now. We want

1711
03:08:40,643 --> 03:08:44,782
to preserve our unique wealthiness. They continue to say while

1712
03:08:44,822 --> 03:08:49,662
accommodating growth. And most importantly, the community plan recognise that

1713
03:08:50,243 --> 03:08:55,182
Gualth needs more housing. That is affordable, accessible and suitable

1714
03:08:55,182 --> 03:08:59,342
for people of all incomes ages and circumstances. Why did

1715
03:08:59,342 --> 03:09:02,142
I share that? It's because I want to remind us

1716
03:09:02,182 --> 03:09:05,902
that we have asked the community already. Like we have

1717
03:09:05,942 --> 03:09:10,382
been out there. Having these deep, deep conversations. And we

1718
03:09:10,382 --> 03:09:13,262
have said we hear you and we want to cast

1719
03:09:13,302 --> 03:09:17,742
forward 10, 15, 20 years from now. And casting forward

1720
03:09:17,923 --> 03:09:20,462
as to what you need and what you wish to

1721
03:09:20,462 --> 03:09:27,532
see. And the housing vision is very synergistic with this

1722
03:09:27,633 --> 03:09:31,052
proposal that everyone has a safe home that meets their

1723
03:09:31,153 --> 03:09:34,652
needs. That affordable housing choices are available throughout the city

1724
03:09:35,393 --> 03:09:38,732
that accessible housing options are expanded and that young people

1725
03:09:38,753 --> 03:09:41,692
can afford to staying gualth and new residents can choose

1726
03:09:41,953 --> 03:09:45,052
to make gualth their home. That people feel safe and

1727
03:09:45,073 --> 03:09:48,492
supported in their homes and neighbourhoods. And you can find

1728
03:09:48,532 --> 03:09:51,532
that on. Go to City of Guelph Community Plan website.

1729
03:09:51,978 --> 03:09:55,317
This proposal advances those goals. So what are we hearing

1730
03:09:55,418 --> 03:10:00,597
today is hardly new. And it is again, reemphasizing. I'm

1731
03:10:00,597 --> 03:10:04,357
also a fellow with the Enveronics Institute for Survey Research.

1732
03:10:04,357 --> 03:10:06,037
And I want to share a little bit of findings

1733
03:10:06,058 --> 03:10:11,237
in the 2024 Confederation of Tomorrow Survey. The survey found

1734
03:10:11,277 --> 03:10:14,437
that affordable housing has become one of Canada's most pressing

1735
03:10:14,938 --> 03:10:18,837
public policy issues. More than 6, 000 Canadians were surveyed

1736
03:10:18,938 --> 03:10:22,037
and the results were clear. Canadians are much more likely

1737
03:10:22,037 --> 03:10:25,717
to disapprove than approve of how governments at all levels

1738
03:10:26,298 --> 03:10:29,877
are addressing the supply of affordable housing.

1739
03:10:37,658 --> 03:10:42,577
And municipal governments came in at 42 percent disapproval. And

1740
03:10:42,577 --> 03:10:46,037
after listening here tonight, this is the opportunity to take

1741
03:10:46,378 --> 03:10:50,437
action. Guelph leads in so many areas. We have an

1742
03:10:50,458 --> 03:10:53,877
incredible community. And I believe we can lead in this

1743
03:10:53,877 --> 03:10:58,357
area as well. In closing, council does have this opportunity

1744
03:10:58,458 --> 03:11:01,637
to make home ownership possible for the people who keep

1745
03:11:01,898 --> 03:11:05,717
Guelph running. Our workers, our young families, first time buyers,

1746
03:11:05,738 --> 03:11:09,157
seniors looking to downsize while remaining in the community they

1747
03:11:09,197 --> 03:11:14,277
love. Converting appropriate industrial or employment lands to support affordable

1748
03:11:14,698 --> 03:11:18,597
homeownership is more than a land use decision. It's an

1749
03:11:18,597 --> 03:11:23,397
investment in Guelph's future. It strengthens our workforce. This proposal

1750
03:11:23,397 --> 03:11:27,317
is consistent with the vision of the Gualth Community Plan,

1751
03:11:27,317 --> 03:11:30,737
a city where everyone has access to safe, affordable. And

1752
03:11:30,737 --> 03:11:37,397
suitable housings. And imagine 940 new affordable housing. So I

1753
03:11:37,578 --> 03:11:41,477
respectfully ask Council to support this proposal and approve the

1754
03:11:41,498 --> 03:11:45,797
necessary planning changes to allow affordable residential housing on these

1755
03:11:46,058 --> 03:11:49,877
lands. Together, we can ensure that Guelph remains a city

1756
03:11:50,298 --> 03:11:53,157
where people not only work, but also afford to build

1757
03:11:53,258 --> 03:11:57,477
a life. Raise a family and afford it home. Thank

1758
03:11:57,477 --> 03:12:00,757
you for your time. Thank you for your consideration, your

1759
03:12:00,757 --> 03:12:05,157
service. Thank you for listening and leaning into your caring

1760
03:12:05,157 --> 03:12:10,888
and compassionate community. Great. Thank you, Marva. Thank you so

1761
03:12:10,888 --> 03:12:14,088
much for coming. We appreciate it. Is there any follow

1762
03:12:14,109 --> 03:12:18,668
- up for Marva's presentation. There is not. Thank you.

1763
03:12:19,763 --> 03:12:24,557
Thank you very much. Mike Darman, come on forward. And

1764
03:12:25,298 --> 03:12:29,449
is Amina here. Okay. Perfect. You're going to be in

1765
03:12:29,449 --> 03:12:34,089
the wings. Okay. Uh, so Mike over to you. Good

1766
03:12:34,089 --> 03:12:36,969
afternoon, Merry Guthrie. Councillors and City staff. My name is

1767
03:12:36,990 --> 03:12:39,509
Mike Darman and I'm co - chair of GCAT, The

1768
03:12:39,509 --> 03:12:42,777
Guelph Community for Active Transportation. I will admit that I

1769
03:12:42,777 --> 03:12:45,577
was unfamiliar with this development site as is a surrounded

1770
03:12:45,617 --> 03:12:50,057
by natural heritage industry, a school and a recreation centre.

1771
03:12:50,318 --> 03:12:52,377
So it decides to bike to it on site visit.

1772
03:12:53,350 --> 03:12:55,969
Looking at the drawings on laptop or phone simply doesn't

1773
03:12:56,009 --> 03:12:57,409
work for me. I need to get a feel of

1774
03:12:57,409 --> 03:13:01,883
the property. By actually walking around and seeing it in

1775
03:13:01,883 --> 03:13:04,683
context to its surroundings. I found a sign for the

1776
03:13:04,723 --> 03:13:07,403
application on Player Road West by the water tower and

1777
03:13:07,443 --> 03:13:11,403
got my bearings. Unfortunately the site is inaccessible from Southgate

1778
03:13:11,504 --> 03:13:14,363
Drive area due to the prevalence of major fence -

1779
03:13:14,363 --> 03:13:17,003
off industrial sites. So I continued my ride back to

1780
03:13:17,184 --> 03:13:19,723
Claire Road and Poppy Drive and explored the property from

1781
03:13:19,744 --> 03:13:23,643
the rear Fisher McDonald High School and the South End

1782
03:13:23,643 --> 03:13:28,201
Recreation Centre. What immediately struck me. Was the thought that

1783
03:13:28,302 --> 03:13:31,561
this development is an ideal opportunity to actually allow people

1784
03:13:31,561 --> 03:13:36,681
to live almost directly beside where they would work. Live,

1785
03:13:36,681 --> 03:13:39,001
play and shop. The second thought was that came to

1786
03:13:39,041 --> 03:13:41,801
my mind was how actually how quiet it was compared

1787
03:13:41,801 --> 03:13:44,921
to other places in the city, even with major industry

1788
03:13:45,022 --> 03:13:48,548
so close by. It seemed far quieter than living near

1789
03:13:48,649 --> 03:13:51,908
an arterial road, adding high - density residentials seemed like

1790
03:13:51,948 --> 03:13:56,068
an ideal mixed use opportunity. And especially for much needed

1791
03:13:56,089 --> 03:14:00,890
affordable housing for employees of adjacent businesses and industry. Zoning

1792
03:14:00,930 --> 03:14:03,050
was created for many reasons in the past. There were

1793
03:14:03,050 --> 03:14:07,450
justified at the time. The housing crisis justifies rethinking rigid

1794
03:14:07,471 --> 03:14:13,050
zoning industrial zoning. Ontario faces a severe housing shortage. Large

1795
03:14:13,050 --> 03:14:17,130
areas of urban land remains reserved exclusively for industrial uses

1796
03:14:17,311 --> 03:14:20,978
even where industrial activity has at client or change. Preventing

1797
03:14:21,079 --> 03:14:24,338
any residential development on these lands reduces the supply of

1798
03:14:24,519 --> 03:14:30,332
available for housing. Allowing residential uses on appropriate industrial sites

1799
03:14:30,332 --> 03:14:33,692
like this one could increase housing supply without expanding city

1800
03:14:33,692 --> 03:14:38,332
boundaries. Many industrial areas are no longer heavily industrial. Modern

1801
03:14:38,353 --> 03:14:43,852
industry often consists of warehouses, distribution centres, technology firms, research

1802
03:14:43,953 --> 03:14:48,812
facilities and small - scale manufacturing. These uses frequently generate

1803
03:14:48,993 --> 03:14:54,372
far less noise and pollution. Than traditional factories along Southgate,

1804
03:14:54,372 --> 03:14:58,158
this is almost exactly the case. Perhaps the strongest argument

1805
03:14:58,259 --> 03:15:03,918
to redesignate these lands comes from industrial from these lands

1806
03:15:04,099 --> 03:15:07,198
from industrial to residential comes from the local industry sector

1807
03:15:07,299 --> 03:15:11,742
itself. Reading through the correspondence from industry supporters like Kiwi

1808
03:15:11,782 --> 03:15:14,462
Newton, Linamar and Denso. It struck me that this is

1809
03:15:14,502 --> 03:15:19,422
a unique combined economic development, employment and affordable housing development

1810
03:15:19,443 --> 03:15:23,636
opportunity all in one. This is an opportunity that far

1811
03:15:23,676 --> 03:15:26,276
exceeds keeping the site only for an employment lands and

1812
03:15:26,316 --> 03:15:30,196
may only ultimately include a similar industry that employs fewer

1813
03:15:30,196 --> 03:15:34,278
employees. Kiwi Newton's analysis perhaps is the strongest. They have

1814
03:15:34,278 --> 03:15:38,918
the capability of producing low - cost prefabricated factory built

1815
03:15:39,259 --> 03:15:45,158
energy efficient affordable modular housing building systems. This development will

1816
03:15:45,198 --> 03:15:48,038
offer a built example showcasing how it can be done

1817
03:15:48,139 --> 03:15:51,318
in other communities at scale and potentially lead to the

1818
03:15:51,419 --> 03:15:55,798
expansion of their facilities, employing many more workers. The technology

1819
03:15:55,838 --> 03:15:58,998
for the robotics part may come from Linamar, which will

1820
03:15:59,038 --> 03:16:04,598
further increase for both companies. And ultimately how is this

1821
03:16:04,598 --> 03:16:06,518
built will help all of them to retain and get

1822
03:16:06,699 --> 03:16:10,198
new employees by enabling employees to live close to where

1823
03:16:10,198 --> 03:16:13,158
they work, shop and play, reduces their housing and transportation

1824
03:16:13,419 --> 03:16:16,598
expenses. And the money stays local. This is a win

1825
03:16:16,638 --> 03:16:20,336
- to - win opportunity for Guelph. Regarding our GCAT

1826
03:16:20,336 --> 03:16:24,576
vision for Active Transportation and Future Planning Application Steps, GCAT

1827
03:16:24,677 --> 03:16:27,536
respectfully asked Council to direct the applicant to work with

1828
03:16:27,717 --> 03:16:32,736
City staff, The Wellington Catholic School Board. Bishop McDonald, Catholic

1829
03:16:32,837 --> 03:16:36,336
School and Laboring Land Owners to explore direct pedestrian and

1830
03:16:36,336 --> 03:16:43,295
cycling connections from this development nearby destinations. In conclusion, I

1831
03:16:43,396 --> 03:16:50,255
hope Council ultimately agrees to supportesignating these lands. This is

1832
03:16:50,295 --> 03:16:53,215
such a unique opportunity to showcase a solution to deal

1833
03:16:53,215 --> 03:16:56,975
with the affordability issues of housing in our area. It

1834
03:16:56,996 --> 03:17:01,215
will foster economic development, boost employment, and provide a community

1835
03:17:01,236 --> 03:17:03,695
where people can live close to where they work, shop

1836
03:17:03,735 --> 03:17:07,295
and play. It really is a unique opportunity to show

1837
03:17:07,335 --> 03:17:10,095
how it can be done in Guelph and showcase how

1838
03:17:10,196 --> 03:17:14,373
it can be done in other cities. Thanks. Great, Mike.

1839
03:17:14,373 --> 03:17:16,773
Thank you very much. Any follow - up for Mike

1840
03:17:16,794 --> 03:17:21,940
at all. Councillor Kron. Thank you. Mr. Darman, I know

1841
03:17:21,961 --> 03:17:24,660
this is a land use planning meeting for this particular

1842
03:17:25,241 --> 03:17:28,740
site, but I am curious about accessibility from the trail

1843
03:17:28,740 --> 03:17:31,300
system because I tried to follow where you might have

1844
03:17:31,481 --> 03:17:37,860
come from to the north along the Claire Fire or

1845
03:17:37,860 --> 03:17:41,300
along the South Creek trail that you described. I'm just

1846
03:17:41,300 --> 03:17:44,020
wondering if you came from the downtown area. Where did

1847
03:17:44,020 --> 03:17:48,056
you get spit out. Well, I spot out actually on

1848
03:17:48,096 --> 03:17:52,136
Claire Road off an existing trail. Somewhere near the water

1849
03:17:52,176 --> 03:17:54,776
tower. I'm actually not that familiar with that Andrew Guelph.

1850
03:17:54,776 --> 03:17:56,456
I've been there a few times, but I actually did

1851
03:17:56,877 --> 03:18:00,616
actually take the whole trailer system mostly to there actually,

1852
03:18:00,616 --> 03:18:03,256
believe it or not. Okay, so on water towers too.

1853
03:18:03,997 --> 03:18:07,576
It's very close to this site. So. There was an

1854
03:18:07,597 --> 03:18:10,936
exit for you to use. Yeah, yeah, the was actually.

1855
03:18:10,976 --> 03:18:12,936
Yeah, it was very close actually. Yeah. In fact, once

1856
03:18:13,037 --> 03:18:15,336
I left it, I was, you know, trying to remember

1857
03:18:15,357 --> 03:18:16,936
where I got back on. It was just basically up

1858
03:18:16,976 --> 03:18:19,656
the road back onto the trail system again. Yeah. Okay,

1859
03:18:19,696 --> 03:18:24,210
that's helpful. Thank you. Great, nothing further. Thanks Mike. Thank

1860
03:18:24,210 --> 03:18:28,793
you. And Amina's coming down. Thank you for being ready.

1861
03:18:28,793 --> 03:18:31,753
Barbara Man, I see you Barbara. Yep, you're in the

1862
03:18:31,793 --> 03:18:37,348
wings. Welcome, Amina. It's over to you whenever you're ready.

1863
03:18:37,348 --> 03:18:45,708
Okay. Hi. My name is Emina Sakar. And I'm a

1864
03:18:45,748 --> 03:18:51,737
new resident to Group. I just heard about this meeting

1865
03:18:52,158 --> 03:18:55,082
a couple of days ago. And I thought I can

1866
03:18:55,183 --> 03:18:59,402
pass up a chance to put in my two cents,

1867
03:18:59,402 --> 03:19:03,962
uh, to get a project, a development like this integral

1868
03:19:04,002 --> 03:19:09,199
for. I know a lot about it because I worked

1869
03:19:09,300 --> 03:19:17,119
with, uh, this type of, uh, model for over the

1870
03:19:17,140 --> 03:19:25,066
12 years. And in six developments. I don't have any

1871
03:19:25,647 --> 03:19:28,866
presentation or anything like that. So I'm just going to

1872
03:19:29,007 --> 03:19:35,946
wigger. I love golf. I've been here a couple of

1873
03:19:35,946 --> 03:19:40,666
years now. And, um, I love the people. People are

1874
03:19:40,666 --> 03:19:44,106
so polite. Drivers are so polite. I came in from

1875
03:19:44,287 --> 03:19:51,981
Toronto. I left Toronto, but it's quite nice here. Drivers

1876
03:19:52,002 --> 03:19:56,061
applied people stop and a friendly. And I think it's

1877
03:19:56,082 --> 03:20:01,340
my home now. So I'd like to settle here. And

1878
03:20:01,380 --> 03:20:03,580
I'd like to see a lot of people get into

1879
03:20:04,161 --> 03:20:07,479
home ownership. The way this model's worked.

1880
03:20:17,489 --> 03:20:20,988
During my career. I worked in engineering and contraction. I

1881
03:20:21,569 --> 03:20:27,788
worked in accounting. I worked in banking. The federal government.

1882
03:20:27,788 --> 03:20:31,268
I worked in Montreal. I was educated in Middle. I

1883
03:20:31,268 --> 03:20:35,308
lived and working in Toronto in Vancouver and back to

1884
03:20:37,649 --> 03:20:43,148
Toronto. And I discovered option for homes. I discovered this

1885
03:20:43,188 --> 03:20:46,908
model. And I was just so impressed with it because

1886
03:20:46,948 --> 03:20:51,468
I myself as a single woman and a single mom.

1887
03:20:51,889 --> 03:20:54,588
My dream was home ownership. And I did get into

1888
03:20:54,628 --> 03:20:59,148
it, but it was so difficult. So when I saw,

1889
03:20:59,148 --> 03:21:02,108
uh, option for whom I thought, Oh my God, we

1890
03:21:02,108 --> 03:21:05,788
have I been, you know, this could have helped me.

1891
03:21:05,788 --> 03:21:09,868
But anyway, I did not buy an option for homes

1892
03:21:10,449 --> 03:21:14,508
because I'd already been into home ownership. But again, like

1893
03:21:14,849 --> 03:21:19,228
I'm saying, it was not easy. Uh, I knew if

1894
03:21:19,228 --> 03:21:22,668
I had gotten an adoption for homes, I would have,

1895
03:21:22,668 --> 03:21:27,428
you know, the, it's geared to my, to income. So

1896
03:21:27,428 --> 03:21:30,588
it would have been so much better. Anyway, when I

1897
03:21:30,609 --> 03:21:35,308
discovered it, I, um, thought what a wonderful thing that

1898
03:21:35,308 --> 03:21:42,484
people can actually get help. Because I never got help.

1899
03:21:42,484 --> 03:21:44,724
You know, I had to do it on my own.

1900
03:21:44,724 --> 03:21:47,524
And here people can get help. And I thought this

1901
03:21:47,545 --> 03:21:50,084
is something I can do to also help. So I

1902
03:21:50,105 --> 03:21:55,424
got in as using all my experience and skills. And

1903
03:21:55,465 --> 03:22:01,684
I helped, I worked on six. Yeah, I think at

1904
03:22:01,705 --> 03:22:07,844
six, uh, developments in Toronto. And I helped hundreds of

1905
03:22:07,884 --> 03:22:16,586
people get into home ownership. By. You know, people who

1906
03:22:17,727 --> 03:22:23,166
didn't think they can, they can own a house. On

1907
03:22:23,206 --> 03:22:27,541
a property. And we were able to get them. Into

1908
03:22:27,882 --> 03:22:37,469
home ownership. I, um. I remember my first, the first

1909
03:22:38,850 --> 03:22:42,313
development I worked on. And there was a young man

1910
03:22:43,054 --> 03:22:47,193
and he made about what. I don't know, 25, 30,

1911
03:22:47,214 --> 03:22:51,273
000 at the time. And but he had very good,

1912
03:22:51,374 --> 03:22:57,248
good credit. And he had a study job. He got

1913
03:22:57,349 --> 03:23:03,948
himself, we got him, uh, studio. And he, you know,

1914
03:23:03,948 --> 03:23:06,128
a couple of years after he came back and he

1915
03:23:06,469 --> 03:23:09,648
sold that, uh, he had put down about 10, 000

1916
03:23:09,749 --> 03:23:13,248
dollars when he came back the second time to buy

1917
03:23:13,349 --> 03:23:16,768
another police. He had about 50, 000 dollars in equity.

1918
03:23:18,953 --> 03:23:22,852
So he was able to get himself a mega place.

1919
03:23:22,852 --> 03:23:28,052
Um, and there was so many families who were able

1920
03:23:28,052 --> 03:23:36,649
to. Get into homes. And not just homes. One of

1921
03:23:36,649 --> 03:23:40,409
my first project was in an area of Toronto called

1922
03:23:40,430 --> 03:23:44,598
a junction. And when we started, before we started, the

1923
03:23:44,598 --> 03:23:52,038
place was really down. And businesses were going out. There

1924
03:23:52,078 --> 03:23:54,998
were lots of old Victorian homes. It's sort of like

1925
03:23:55,499 --> 03:23:59,566
in the North part of hyperconblue area. Um, it was

1926
03:24:00,547 --> 03:24:04,206
really, nobody wanted to be around it. And I thought

1927
03:24:04,227 --> 03:24:08,366
it was a big risk that, uh, options are going

1928
03:24:08,366 --> 03:24:14,259
to develop there. And one's the place was built. I

1929
03:24:14,299 --> 03:24:17,779
can't remember how many units, but there were hundreds of

1930
03:24:17,960 --> 03:24:23,466
units. The place became so vibrant. There were so many

1931
03:24:23,647 --> 03:24:30,586
restaurants and artists around and so many people moved in.

1932
03:24:30,586 --> 03:24:32,986
Actually, it was written up in the New York Times

1933
03:24:34,047 --> 03:24:37,946
that it was one of the most upcoming place in

1934
03:24:37,986 --> 03:24:40,505
North America. And I think a lot of it had

1935
03:24:40,526 --> 03:24:47,412
to do with our development now. So yeah, uh, there

1936
03:24:47,452 --> 03:24:51,412
was another project we did at Bathurst and Lawrence where

1937
03:24:51,412 --> 03:24:55,412
there's a very strong Jewish community. And we catered to

1938
03:24:55,412 --> 03:24:59,332
that. You know, we had a special elevator for the

1939
03:24:59,353 --> 03:25:05,715
Sabbath. And so many others. What can I say? I

1940
03:25:05,715 --> 03:25:09,035
love Guelph to have this. I have nothing to gain

1941
03:25:09,075 --> 03:25:15,015
from this except I Guelph is now my home. And

1942
03:25:15,015 --> 03:25:17,915
I'd like to see a lot more people come. Like

1943
03:25:17,915 --> 03:25:20,475
I say, I love Guelph. I don't like the property

1944
03:25:20,496 --> 03:25:26,475
tax compared to Toronto. And I figured more people I

1945
03:25:26,475 --> 03:25:31,595
can get into growlf and the more businesses develop into

1946
03:25:31,856 --> 03:25:36,715
Guel. I guess it's the reason we, our taxes are

1947
03:25:36,715 --> 03:25:39,655
so much higher compared to Toronto. We need a lot

1948
03:25:39,655 --> 03:25:43,435
more people and a lot more businesses to pay taxes.

1949
03:25:43,435 --> 03:25:47,995
So I think properties like this would really help that

1950
03:25:48,096 --> 03:25:52,075
a lot. Uh, another thing is, you know, dealing with

1951
03:25:53,296 --> 03:25:56,635
the customers one - on - one, I would have,

1952
03:25:56,635 --> 03:26:00,155
you know, they would first come in and I'd explain

1953
03:26:00,256 --> 03:26:03,115
everything to them. Like, uh, I mean it could take

1954
03:26:03,136 --> 03:26:06,635
an hour, two hours. I'd explain what her mortgage is

1955
03:26:07,456 --> 03:26:12,475
because they were all lingoed. Sometimes people don't really understand.

1956
03:26:12,475 --> 03:26:19,655
I'll explain what's fixed rate and what's variable rate. And

1957
03:26:19,655 --> 03:26:25,275
we would get through, you know, go through their preliminary

1958
03:26:27,456 --> 03:26:30,795
data. And I'd figure out, okay, can you afford this

1959
03:26:30,835 --> 03:26:34,955
and how much can you get a mortgage? And if

1960
03:26:34,955 --> 03:26:38,055
they wanted to move forward, we go ahead and, uh,

1961
03:26:38,416 --> 03:26:40,715
fill out the forms with them and find out from

1962
03:26:40,715 --> 03:26:44,075
the bank homage that heck in my forward. And depending

1963
03:26:44,115 --> 03:26:47,657
on what they can afford, then we stepped in. And

1964
03:26:47,697 --> 03:26:51,737
held them with arrest. So it could be affordable and

1965
03:26:51,737 --> 03:26:55,017
comfortable. Because I'll tell you, for me, it was not

1966
03:26:55,438 --> 03:26:59,952
comfortable. Uh, it was a lot of train. But I

1967
03:27:00,613 --> 03:27:04,672
worked it out. And thank God now I am mortgage

1968
03:27:04,773 --> 03:27:08,432
for you at this time of my life. So I'd

1969
03:27:08,432 --> 03:27:12,060
like to see people go get help like that. There's

1970
03:27:12,081 --> 03:27:14,700
so much more I can see, but, um, anyway, I

1971
03:27:14,700 --> 03:27:18,798
think you'll get the gist of order. I hope it

1972
03:27:18,838 --> 03:27:22,186
works out. And, uh, we can get this going. Thank

1973
03:27:22,226 --> 03:27:25,930
you. Okay. Thank you very much, Emina. Thank you for

1974
03:27:25,930 --> 03:27:28,510
sticking around for your presentation. And let me just ask

1975
03:27:28,531 --> 03:27:31,803
my colleagues if the follow - up for you. There

1976
03:27:31,803 --> 03:27:34,923
is, not. So thank you very much. You're welcome. Thank

1977
03:27:34,963 --> 03:27:38,523
you. And Barbara Mann is coming down. Scott, I saw

1978
03:27:38,624 --> 03:27:41,563
you sitting there as well. So you're in the wings.

1979
03:27:41,563 --> 03:27:45,004
Go ahead Barbara whenever you're ready. Hello everybody. Thank you

1980
03:27:45,044 --> 03:27:47,484
for having me, Staff. Thank you for all the hard

1981
03:27:47,524 --> 03:27:50,224
work that you've put into this. And a lot of

1982
03:27:50,385 --> 03:27:52,844
your councillors may have come here not sure what your

1983
03:27:52,945 --> 03:27:55,484
decision was going to be on this. Um, to be

1984
03:27:55,484 --> 03:27:58,444
honest, it breaks my heart anytime we disrupt an ecosystem

1985
03:27:58,785 --> 03:28:03,955
or we develop, uh, green space. However, it's much easier

1986
03:28:04,056 --> 03:28:08,903
to support. A request such as is happening with 2A

1987
03:28:08,943 --> 03:28:11,943
declare road when you know who's behind it. And you

1988
03:28:11,943 --> 03:28:16,244
know what's behind it. Um, I'd rather do that than

1989
03:28:16,284 --> 03:28:21,342
give over productive farm fields to mansions personally. I've listened

1990
03:28:21,603 --> 03:28:25,422
carefully to the team. I've asked hard questions. I've read

1991
03:28:25,462 --> 03:28:29,262
the information and I'm glad that it's home opportunities who's

1992
03:28:29,262 --> 03:28:31,022
behind it because I too know a lot of people

1993
03:28:31,123 --> 03:28:34,302
who were able to achieve home ownership through this model

1994
03:28:34,323 --> 03:28:37,422
at 35 Manford and five Gordon Street. So we already

1995
03:28:37,462 --> 03:28:41,022
have it on site in Guav. Um, second, I believe

1996
03:28:41,062 --> 03:28:43,742
that the team has done their due diligence. Um, of

1997
03:28:43,742 --> 03:28:46,142
course now that I've got the ear of, uh, an

1998
03:28:46,182 --> 03:28:50,622
environmentalist here. Don't forget that farm fields and meadows provide

1999
03:28:50,723 --> 03:28:54,542
small mammals, which provide food for hawks and foxes. Don't

2000
03:28:54,542 --> 03:28:57,342
forget that high buildings putting light out on a corridor

2001
03:28:57,363 --> 03:28:59,822
changes circadian rhythms of the mammals that you're trying to

2002
03:28:59,862 --> 03:29:04,222
protect. Um, but that's the only segue I'll have there.

2003
03:29:04,222 --> 03:29:07,022
Um, because I know it's a model that's financially possible

2004
03:29:07,123 --> 03:29:10,622
for people to achieve home ownership. I also know that

2005
03:29:11,683 --> 03:29:14,382
lion was the first person in Canada to offer employment

2006
03:29:14,403 --> 03:29:18,222
lands and 25 foot housing lots along Alice Street to

2007
03:29:18,323 --> 03:29:23,182
entice employment and employers in Guelph. This is not a

2008
03:29:23,203 --> 03:29:28,237
new thing. But it's an important thing because as Layanne

2009
03:29:28,258 --> 03:29:30,797
Karen knows from smart golf, people used to live in

2010
03:29:30,978 --> 03:29:33,597
Guelph because it was cheaper than Toronto and commute to

2011
03:29:33,637 --> 03:29:37,117
Toronto. Now we've heard Varencey and thank you for being

2012
03:29:37,157 --> 03:29:40,077
here. As do two other people, I know who work

2013
03:29:40,117 --> 03:29:43,597
at different employers, they're commuting from Woodstock. But the request

2014
03:29:43,637 --> 03:29:46,397
is the same thing. Everyone wants to live and work

2015
03:29:46,418 --> 03:29:49,837
in the same place that they are. And I see

2016
03:29:49,877 --> 03:29:52,237
that with this. I see what's being offered to us

2017
03:29:52,498 --> 03:29:56,237
is multiple types of units. We have to talk about

2018
03:29:56,498 --> 03:29:59,917
the actual accessibility in those units. But it's a chance

2019
03:30:00,098 --> 03:30:02,237
for people to scale up and down depending on their

2020
03:30:02,338 --> 03:30:05,997
time of life where they're at in the same neighbourhood.

2021
03:30:05,997 --> 03:30:08,957
Imagine an old - fashioned neighbourhood. You walk to work,

2022
03:30:08,957 --> 03:30:11,117
you walk to school, you cycle over to get your

2023
03:30:11,218 --> 03:30:14,837
groceries. And you've got three quarters of it surrounded by

2024
03:30:14,837 --> 03:30:19,669
your own green belt. What's wrong with that picture? As

2025
03:30:19,669 --> 03:30:23,029
well, I think it's really important that we look at

2026
03:30:23,450 --> 03:30:27,969
the idea that density. It's not a huge space, but

2027
03:30:28,330 --> 03:30:32,300
it's creating a ton of housing. So with that in

2028
03:30:32,300 --> 03:30:35,660
mind, I thank you from everybody else that there's pretty

2029
03:30:35,660 --> 03:30:38,460
much an agreement that this is a one - time

2030
03:30:38,481 --> 03:30:43,500
thing that makes sense for our community. Thank you. Thank

2031
03:30:43,500 --> 03:30:46,965
you Barbara for sticking around. Any questions for Barbara at

2032
03:30:46,965 --> 03:30:50,675
this time. There is not. Thank you very much. And

2033
03:30:51,676 --> 03:30:55,851
Frederick coming up next. And then Claire Braden is good

2034
03:30:55,891 --> 03:30:58,251
to join us by video after that. Then we just

2035
03:30:58,251 --> 03:31:01,611
have a couple more. So Scott, thanks for waiting and

2036
03:31:01,611 --> 03:31:06,369
I'll turn it over to you. So, um, I have,

2037
03:31:06,369 --> 03:31:10,289
um, some familiarity with this area. As I, uh, used

2038
03:31:10,329 --> 03:31:12,529
to work just around the corner from it on Southgate

2039
03:31:13,430 --> 03:31:16,403
for quite a few years. Previously to that, I worked

2040
03:31:16,443 --> 03:31:20,883
in siliculture field in BC, which is basically the business

2041
03:31:20,984 --> 03:31:25,043
of recovering forests after some kind of disaster, which is

2042
03:31:25,083 --> 03:31:29,205
usually, uh, clear cut logging. So I'm afraid I'm going

2043
03:31:29,205 --> 03:31:33,265
to oppose this proposal on two grounds. There's a lot

2044
03:31:33,265 --> 03:31:35,765
of merit in the proposal from the housing point of

2045
03:31:35,765 --> 03:31:39,525
view. There's two values which are impaired by this proposal.

2046
03:31:40,735 --> 03:31:45,674
The impairment of the existing important wildlife corridor and reduction

2047
03:31:45,695 --> 03:31:49,274
in employment lands. So I'm going to talk about the

2048
03:31:49,295 --> 03:31:54,339
employment lens issue first. Guelph is short of employment lands.

2049
03:31:55,577 --> 03:31:58,676
The past conversion of employment lands to other uses is

2050
03:31:58,676 --> 03:32:02,596
added to the existing employment land deficit. A case in

2051
03:32:02,596 --> 03:32:05,956
point is the recent proposal for the Gulf Innovation District

2052
03:32:06,777 --> 03:32:09,716
with a proponent presented a plan with less employment lands

2053
03:32:09,756 --> 03:32:13,906
than called for in the official plan. They stated, and

2054
03:32:13,906 --> 03:32:18,406
I'm paraphrasing here. In effect that developing industrial properties was

2055
03:32:18,446 --> 03:32:21,366
not their thing. And a more appropriate place for it

2056
03:32:21,406 --> 03:32:24,692
would be in the Southgate industrial park. So guess where

2057
03:32:24,732 --> 03:32:29,814
that is? It's here. So basically it's like pointless are

2058
03:32:29,814 --> 03:32:34,774
like the hot potato that nobody wants to, uh, the

2059
03:32:35,115 --> 03:32:37,874
proponent for this project bought land. It was zoned for

2060
03:32:37,874 --> 03:32:42,559
employment and once converted to housing. Why? Why not buy

2061
03:32:42,599 --> 03:32:46,618
land zone for housing and build it there. We hire

2062
03:32:46,719 --> 03:32:49,978
professional planners at considerable expense to plan the entire city

2063
03:32:50,479 --> 03:32:54,658
in accordance with provincial higher level plans and mandates. We

2064
03:32:54,658 --> 03:32:58,680
should stick to our official plans more often. And now

2065
03:32:58,680 --> 03:33:02,280
I'm going to talk about the wildlife corridor. I have

2066
03:33:02,280 --> 03:33:06,847
a slide here. Oh good. Um, so this shows the

2067
03:33:07,348 --> 03:33:11,247
location of currently existing wildlife corridors. The one on the

2068
03:33:11,247 --> 03:33:12,607
table today is the one at the bottom of the

2069
03:33:12,647 --> 03:33:16,496
photo. And connects the wildlife protective areas in the clear

2070
03:33:16,517 --> 03:33:19,776
maltply plan to preservation park, which is the big green

2071
03:33:20,517 --> 03:33:23,065
blob in the centre. The one at the top left

2072
03:33:23,566 --> 03:33:27,225
crosses the handling corridor and connects preservation park to the

2073
03:33:27,246 --> 03:33:30,105
Speed River corridor. So we have a continuous link between

2074
03:33:30,526 --> 03:33:34,376
Speed River and Claire Maltby. The one of the upper

2075
03:33:34,416 --> 03:33:38,776
right, or to the right, basically crosses Gordon just so

2076
03:33:38,797 --> 03:33:42,616
the Vettenberg. That path is still open, but it's effectively

2077
03:33:42,877 --> 03:33:45,496
lost because of multi - story development has been proved

2078
03:33:45,536 --> 03:33:49,874
for that site, which will effectively block that corridor. If

2079
03:33:50,215 --> 03:33:54,354
a corridor is lost, it makes any remaining corridor much

2080
03:33:54,354 --> 03:34:03,346
more important. Okay, there we go. So this shows the

2081
03:34:03,346 --> 03:34:08,770
subject glands from the south with. Clair Road behind. You

2082
03:34:08,770 --> 03:34:13,410
can clearly see the overclown planted strip in the rear,

2083
03:34:13,410 --> 03:34:15,170
which is the current walllife corridor.

2084
03:34:23,603 --> 03:34:30,588
Oh, there we go. Uh. So in front is the

2085
03:34:30,689 --> 03:34:33,548
recently cultivated field, which is proposed to be the new

2086
03:34:33,729 --> 03:34:36,668
wildlife corridor. This is not ideal because ready to road

2087
03:34:36,689 --> 03:34:43,279
crossing. Is previously cultivated field. Which is disturbed land with

2088
03:34:43,540 --> 03:34:46,934
low biodiversity. Current corridor is much better quality for a

2089
03:34:46,934 --> 03:34:49,715
while left quarter. So at this point it'd be good

2090
03:34:49,715 --> 03:34:55,885
to review corridor sizes from the Ontario Technical Guide. Local

2091
03:34:55,925 --> 03:35:00,320
corridors, less than 50 metres, best for small animals. Mammals,

2092
03:35:00,320 --> 03:35:03,920
amphibians and birds moving between small remnant patches of woods

2093
03:35:04,021 --> 03:35:06,640
and wetlands and urban settings. I think we need more

2094
03:35:06,661 --> 03:35:11,187
than that. The post corridor is 60 metres. Also from

2095
03:35:11,368 --> 03:35:15,187
the manual regional and sub - regional corridors, larger animals

2096
03:35:15,227 --> 03:35:19,747
such as deer, elk, or bears require fat wide quarters

2097
03:35:20,488 --> 03:35:24,227
often exceeding 350 metres to avoid the noise and presence

2098
03:35:24,227 --> 03:35:26,947
of human development. Obviously two kilometers is out of the

2099
03:35:27,048 --> 03:35:31,253
question. But bigger is better. And de facto, corridor that

2100
03:35:31,253 --> 03:35:33,973
we have now is about 150 metres, which is probably

2101
03:35:34,013 --> 03:35:38,053
not bad. Also to be effective, longer quarters need to

2102
03:35:38,053 --> 03:35:47,865
be wider. Okay. Delay.

2103
03:35:48,166 --> 03:35:51,838
There. So, um, this is a planted tree in this

2104
03:35:51,878 --> 03:35:55,278
current corridor. The ribbon on my shovel is about one

2105
03:35:55,278 --> 03:35:56,958
metre from the ground. So this tree is about two

2106
03:35:56,979 --> 03:36:00,158
metres high. In the background, there are some naturally regenerated

2107
03:36:00,419 --> 03:36:04,832
woodland. Over a thousand trees of implanted by volunteers and

2108
03:36:04,832 --> 03:36:07,552
a current wildlife corridor. No doubt it would be discouraging

2109
03:36:07,573 --> 03:36:10,892
for them to learn their work would be undone. Uh,

2110
03:36:11,173 --> 03:36:15,402
years later. This is valuable habitat for wildlife. Havanna with

2111
03:36:15,423 --> 03:36:19,002
woodland patches. Dense woodland is good. Open land is good.

2112
03:36:19,042 --> 03:36:19,562
Edges are good.

2113
03:36:37,580 --> 03:36:39,959
So this is hard to see with the arrow's point

2114
03:36:39,959 --> 03:36:43,639
to a flint wildlife trail. So we know this corridor

2115
03:36:43,679 --> 03:36:52,280
is used. And, uh. Actually that's a slide for that.

2116
03:36:55,287 --> 03:36:58,239
And. I'm going to save some time by skipping that

2117
03:36:58,239 --> 03:37:04,747
one. This is a copy of slide number two, which

2118
03:37:04,747 --> 03:37:14,745
is a mistake. Okay. So. Right. Yeah.

2119
03:37:14,926 --> 03:37:18,185
It might seem that I'm arguing against myself, butvocating for

2120
03:37:18,225 --> 03:37:20,345
the employment land doesn't need to be routine, but I'm

2121
03:37:20,345 --> 03:37:23,545
not having a warehouse or light manufacturing there. We have

2122
03:37:23,566 --> 03:37:27,796
less impact than a dense housing development. My previous workplace

2123
03:37:27,977 --> 03:37:31,796
on Southgate was 30, 000 square feet on eight acres

2124
03:37:32,217 --> 03:37:35,202
and had about 30 employees. Our impact on a natural

2125
03:37:35,303 --> 03:37:39,743
world was minimal. So the hierarchy of wants would be

2126
03:37:40,964 --> 03:37:46,576
fees the land unoccupied as is. Or to retain the

2127
03:37:46,616 --> 03:37:49,376
employment designation, which may mean that it is never developed

2128
03:37:49,637 --> 03:37:52,396
or would have less impact if it is developed. And

2129
03:37:52,396 --> 03:37:57,136
number three, if development proceeds acquire some of the lands

2130
03:37:58,197 --> 03:38:00,416
to the rear of some of the Southgate properties that

2131
03:38:00,456 --> 03:38:06,054
join this proposing corridor. So this slide shows somewhat messily

2132
03:38:06,395 --> 03:38:10,065
in blue to the right, the current corridor. In blue

2133
03:38:10,065 --> 03:38:14,385
to the left, the proposed corridor. And in green, there

2134
03:38:14,425 --> 03:38:17,105
were some remnants of privately on land. There's adjacent to

2135
03:38:17,145 --> 03:38:21,745
the current proposed corridor, but could be added if these

2136
03:38:21,766 --> 03:38:25,063
lands are required for this purpose. This were done to

2137
03:38:25,084 --> 03:38:30,088
new quarter would be widened and enhanced. And in red,

2138
03:38:30,128 --> 03:38:32,808
this looks like more wild land. But in fact, it

2139
03:38:33,069 --> 03:38:35,688
is now a truck parking lot built after the photo.

2140
03:38:35,688 --> 03:38:39,208
So this shows how easily new wildlife corridor could be

2141
03:38:39,248 --> 03:38:43,200
degraded. If more lands are not acquired and added. So

2142
03:38:43,781 --> 03:38:49,078
that concludes my presentation. Well, thank you, Scott, for sticking

2143
03:38:49,078 --> 03:38:51,278
around for your as well. And your opinions here. We

2144
03:38:51,278 --> 03:38:53,558
appreciate that. And as our follow - up for Scott

2145
03:38:53,579 --> 03:38:57,579
at this time. And Councillor Alt has a question. Thank

2146
03:38:57,579 --> 03:38:59,819
you very much. It's a very quick one. I just

2147
03:38:59,819 --> 03:39:05,659
didn't catch, uh, the width for a large animal corridor.

2148
03:39:05,659 --> 03:39:11,019
Did you say beyond 350 metres, 50 metres or 150

2149
03:39:11,059 --> 03:39:16,489
metres. Uh, for the small local one, it's less than

2150
03:39:16,510 --> 03:39:21,917
50. For regional sub - regional 300 to two kilometers.

2151
03:39:22,996 --> 03:39:26,581
Uh, and I was saying, well, obviously. And the current

2152
03:39:26,602 --> 03:39:29,844
one is 150. So we're on the low end there.

2153
03:39:34,087 --> 03:39:37,106
So that's why I'm advocating to retain all of it,

2154
03:39:37,106 --> 03:39:40,306
if possible. Councillor Alt, uh, I'm so sorry to interrupt

2155
03:39:40,306 --> 03:39:43,506
you. Council, I'll just unfortunately muted by accident. He had

2156
03:39:43,527 --> 03:39:45,906
a follow - up question for you, Scott. Go ahead.

2157
03:39:46,167 --> 03:39:51,906
Apologies. The 350 then is for larger mammals. That's, that's

2158
03:39:51,906 --> 03:39:55,186
what I'm seeking clarification on. Because I heard earlier that

2159
03:39:55,367 --> 03:39:58,786
this would be a corridor for deer and coyote and

2160
03:39:58,826 --> 03:40:01,746
others. And what I think I'm hearing from you is

2161
03:40:02,327 --> 03:40:12,240
precisely the opposite. Yeah. Um. Yes, it says the

2162
03:40:12,240 --> 03:40:18,160
manual, this is the Ontario Provincial Manual says, uh, 300

2163
03:40:20,501 --> 03:40:23,360
for the large mammals. And we need large metals to

2164
03:40:23,360 --> 03:40:26,960
move. They're moving there now with the court that they

2165
03:40:26,960 --> 03:40:31,791
have now. To take my takeaway from the manual was

2166
03:40:32,852 --> 03:40:40,013
biggers better. So you, you want the largest one you

2167
03:40:40,013 --> 03:40:46,848
could fit into that spot. Thank you very much. Okay.

2168
03:40:46,848 --> 03:40:51,004
Thank you Councillor Alt. Nothing further, Scott. So thank you

2169
03:40:51,025 --> 03:40:53,842
again for your presentation. Claire is going to join us

2170
03:40:53,882 --> 03:40:58,925
by video. And, uh, Everesto, am I saying your name

2171
03:40:58,965 --> 03:41:02,527
right? Yes. Okay. You are in the wings. Okay. Uh,

2172
03:41:03,188 --> 03:41:06,907
Claire, are you going to join us by video? And

2173
03:41:06,907 --> 03:41:10,207
Claire is also from the Gulf community for active transportation

2174
03:41:10,468 --> 03:41:13,927
group. Hi, thank you, Mayor Gusserie. Just let me know

2175
03:41:13,927 --> 03:41:17,567
if you cannot hear me and good evening counsel. My

2176
03:41:17,567 --> 03:41:20,167
name is Claire Braden. I'm a resident of Ward three

2177
03:41:20,188 --> 03:41:25,330
in Guelph. I'm also an active transportation advocate. And, uh,

2178
03:41:25,330 --> 03:41:28,070
I want to offer my support for the plan to

2179
03:41:28,651 --> 03:41:32,070
redesignate the land at 266 Clair Road West from Industrial

2180
03:41:32,091 --> 03:41:34,567
to High Density Residential. And I want to talk about

2181
03:41:34,988 --> 03:41:38,887
active transportation according to the City of Gwelp's Vision 0

2182
03:41:39,068 --> 03:41:43,287
action plan, the most effective way to reduce vehicle collisions

2183
03:41:43,308 --> 03:41:47,287
with pedestrians and cyclists is to reduce vehicle dependency by

2184
03:41:47,468 --> 03:41:51,527
building affordable housing near amenities. This proposal is a great

2185
03:41:51,567 --> 03:41:55,532
example of both. The parcel's proximity to the Southgate Drive

2186
03:41:55,553 --> 03:41:59,452
Industrial Area, Bishop Mack High School, The Claire Gordon commercial

2187
03:41:59,553 --> 03:42:02,812
corridor and the Hamilton Go Bus Root, which by the

2188
03:42:02,812 --> 03:42:07,970
way, services for universities. Um, Hamilton, or sorry, uh, McMaster

2189
03:42:08,151 --> 03:42:12,130
Guelph Laurier and Waterloo provides the opportunity for residents to

2190
03:42:12,231 --> 03:42:15,570
walk, ride, or take transit for everyday activities. We can

2191
03:42:15,831 --> 03:42:19,490
gradually shift people away from expensive dangerous car trips to

2192
03:42:19,671 --> 03:42:23,010
active healthy travel. If we allow different land uses to

2193
03:42:23,050 --> 03:42:27,082
mix in close proximity and to thrive. I was heartened

2194
03:42:28,063 --> 03:42:31,722
and intrigued to read about the, uh, affordable and kind

2195
03:42:31,722 --> 03:42:34,362
of the innovative lending model for this program and the

2196
03:42:34,362 --> 03:42:38,762
affordability of it. But let's not, um, downplay the natural

2197
03:42:38,863 --> 03:42:43,802
affordability that comes simply by having residents, um, simply by

2198
03:42:43,842 --> 03:42:47,458
the proximity between residents and amenities. The choice to be

2199
03:42:47,479 --> 03:42:51,858
independent from car usage, even if it is intermittently independent,

2200
03:42:51,858 --> 03:42:56,178
even if you're just, you're permitted to reduce your car

2201
03:42:56,199 --> 03:42:59,698
usage to far less than before, it relieves you from

2202
03:42:59,799 --> 03:43:02,738
a huge strain on your pocketbook because of the cost

2203
03:43:02,778 --> 03:43:06,734
of gas. Gasoline, which is not going down anytime soon.

2204
03:43:06,734 --> 03:43:09,454
That is a choice that few other gull fights, including

2205
03:43:09,715 --> 03:43:14,334
myself, are lucky enough to have. For example, my summer

2206
03:43:14,334 --> 03:43:16,974
job, uh, is away from Gwelph. It's of an hour

2207
03:43:17,014 --> 03:43:19,454
and a half drive from my house. And therefore I've

2208
03:43:19,454 --> 03:43:27,371
had to move to new market. To save on board

2209
03:43:27,472 --> 03:43:28,971
in new market just so that I can get to

2210
03:43:28,971 --> 03:43:32,897
work. My colleagues in York region routinely complain about spending

2211
03:43:33,238 --> 03:43:37,057
hours in highway 404 gridlock and the impacts that high

2212
03:43:37,078 --> 03:43:41,697
gas prices are having on their pocketbooks. So being able

2213
03:43:41,697 --> 03:43:44,977
to live within a 15 minute walk of jobs, groceries

2214
03:43:45,017 --> 03:43:47,137
and school is a luxury that many people would be

2215
03:43:47,318 --> 03:43:50,122
delighted to have. I very much hope that Council approves

2216
03:43:50,303 --> 03:43:54,497
this official Plan Amendment and Zoning Bylaw Amendment. So that

2217
03:43:54,537 --> 03:43:56,177
hundreds of people can get a foot on the housing

2218
03:43:56,358 --> 03:44:00,622
ladder and a chance at safe, active transportation. I also

2219
03:44:00,643 --> 03:44:04,462
hope that future site plans will include pedestrian cutthrough pathways

2220
03:44:04,563 --> 03:44:07,502
that make it easy for families and residents to access

2221
03:44:08,083 --> 03:44:11,502
Bishop MAC, the south end community centre, and Southgate Drive.

2222
03:44:11,502 --> 03:44:15,344
Thank you very much. Thank you, Claire. We appreciate you

2223
03:44:15,445 --> 03:44:17,184
joining us. And is there any follow - up for

2224
03:44:17,445 --> 03:44:21,773
Claire. For my colleagues. There is not. So thank you

2225
03:44:21,773 --> 03:44:28,170
again. Everest O, come on up. And then our last

2226
03:44:28,210 --> 03:44:31,290
one that has signed up is Hugh Whiteley, which will

2227
03:44:31,290 --> 03:44:37,195
join us by video. And just to reminder, uh, just

2228
03:44:37,216 --> 03:44:39,035
cause I've heard a couple of comments over the last

2229
03:44:39,776 --> 03:44:44,395
couple hours. This is not a meeting where we are

2230
03:44:44,435 --> 03:44:49,400
making a decision. We are only here to receive the

2231
03:44:49,501 --> 03:44:53,932
application today. The option for approval is much later. Okay.

2232
03:44:54,113 --> 03:44:56,892
So, uh, just making sure everyone hears that before we

2233
03:44:56,913 --> 03:45:00,572
continue. And as a reminder, so, uh, Everesto, the, thank

2234
03:45:00,612 --> 03:45:02,012
you very much for joining us. And I'll turn the

2235
03:45:02,012 --> 03:45:06,743
mic over to you. Okay. Okay. So my quality tick

2236
03:45:06,764 --> 03:45:11,706
lock. No talk. I vari cerramos. So I'm leap on

2237
03:45:11,746 --> 03:45:14,346
Apache for my father's side and on my mother's side,

2238
03:45:14,346 --> 03:45:16,426
I've been able to trace it back to the Nawat

2239
03:45:16,426 --> 03:45:19,526
people in central Mexico. And so I was saying, uh,

2240
03:45:19,567 --> 03:45:24,506
good evening. And my name is. And so I did

2241
03:45:24,607 --> 03:45:27,066
turn, I did, uh, I did turn in a document,

2242
03:45:27,066 --> 03:45:31,706
uh, for a statement, but listening to, and so I

2243
03:45:31,807 --> 03:45:34,426
know we're very late or this has gone on for

2244
03:45:34,527 --> 03:45:37,146
a very long time. But for me, the biggest thing.

2245
03:45:37,948 --> 03:45:40,887
When I look at things, because I walk in many

2246
03:45:40,927 --> 03:45:43,447
worlds and I look at things from different perspectives because

2247
03:45:43,487 --> 03:45:47,207
of my, my teachings. And, you know, the time that

2248
03:45:47,247 --> 03:45:49,667
I spent here in Guelph. And so for me, the

2249
03:45:49,667 --> 03:45:52,407
biggest thing from having when I met with them and

2250
03:45:52,407 --> 03:45:55,287
then walking the land this weekend and seeing the actual

2251
03:45:55,468 --> 03:45:59,207
property or what they're proposing, you know, for me, it

2252
03:45:59,228 --> 03:46:04,167
seems, it's a good, it's what they provided an opportunity,

2253
03:46:04,167 --> 03:46:06,967
an opportunity for people to have a choice and for

2254
03:46:06,967 --> 03:46:10,147
them to be able to achieve housing. And, you know,

2255
03:46:10,348 --> 03:46:12,167
and to achieve a lot of the other things that

2256
03:46:12,207 --> 03:46:14,727
we've heard from the previous speakers, you know, having a

2257
03:46:14,748 --> 03:46:17,507
sense of community, you know, this is adding, you know,

2258
03:46:17,868 --> 03:46:21,607
900 plus locations for people to live and maybe potentially

2259
03:46:21,628 --> 03:46:24,167
work in the close area and be able to live

2260
03:46:25,148 --> 03:46:27,687
and to, you know, have a sense of dignity and

2261
03:46:27,708 --> 03:46:30,887
have a sense of being able to provide for themselves.

2262
03:46:30,887 --> 03:46:33,447
And so for me, when I, when I was considering

2263
03:46:34,988 --> 03:46:37,847
the statement that I made and listened to everybody speak

2264
03:46:37,948 --> 03:46:40,327
today, that's really the biggest thing that I wanted to

2265
03:46:40,327 --> 03:46:45,085
highlight was, you know, it is my hope. You know,

2266
03:46:45,085 --> 03:46:47,565
that when I understand that, you know, this is just

2267
03:46:47,565 --> 03:46:50,445
the planning meeting, but when, you know, US councillors and

2268
03:46:50,485 --> 03:46:52,765
as leaders who are ultimately, we'll have to make the

2269
03:46:52,765 --> 03:46:56,205
decision to make the modification of her diese amendments or

2270
03:46:56,205 --> 03:46:59,920
to accept them is understanding and thinking forward. What the

2271
03:46:59,920 --> 03:47:03,680
kind of opportunity does this present for the citizens of

2272
03:47:03,861 --> 03:47:07,674
the city and potentially people who are coming in. Because

2273
03:47:07,714 --> 03:47:09,754
over time over my six years that I've been here

2274
03:47:10,095 --> 03:47:12,234
and the building where I live, I see lots of

2275
03:47:12,274 --> 03:47:15,274
people coming, go because of the, them not being able

2276
03:47:15,274 --> 03:47:17,594
to afford to live in the apartment that they are

2277
03:47:17,594 --> 03:47:20,314
in. Or because of where they work. They would love

2278
03:47:20,495 --> 03:47:22,554
to live in quote because this is what their job

2279
03:47:22,554 --> 03:47:25,674
is. But they're not able to stay here. Or because

2280
03:47:26,015 --> 03:47:28,714
they live in the apartment or, you know, where they

2281
03:47:28,714 --> 03:47:32,214
live. It's not conducive for their families. It's grown. And

2282
03:47:32,214 --> 03:47:34,394
so it kind of makes me sad that there's not

2283
03:47:34,415 --> 03:47:37,194
opportunities for people to be able to do those things.

2284
03:47:37,194 --> 03:47:41,627
Indigenous or not. And so, uh, when they first approached

2285
03:47:41,627 --> 03:47:43,787
me to look at all of this and they wanted

2286
03:47:43,808 --> 03:47:46,547
that perspective, but I think this is a, I don't

2287
03:47:46,547 --> 03:47:48,907
want to say it's, it is bigger than just looking

2288
03:47:49,008 --> 03:47:52,107
at it from just from the perspective of indigenous people

2289
03:47:52,208 --> 03:47:54,267
because we're all here. And so we need to look

2290
03:47:54,288 --> 03:47:57,067
at it from that perspective of being able to speak

2291
03:47:57,488 --> 03:48:00,267
up for maybe people who can't speak up and for

2292
03:48:00,267 --> 03:48:03,147
also our neighbours. And so again, for me, it comes

2293
03:48:03,187 --> 03:48:05,867
back to the original scheme that I, that I see

2294
03:48:05,907 --> 03:48:09,547
here, it's just making an opportunity for people to be

2295
03:48:09,547 --> 03:48:11,067
able to do the things that they would like to

2296
03:48:11,107 --> 03:48:14,267
do either a single league, like they explain them having

2297
03:48:14,307 --> 03:48:16,587
like a studio apartment. If somebody's starting you in their

2298
03:48:16,587 --> 03:48:20,167
life or somebody who's growing their family and, you know,

2299
03:48:20,167 --> 03:48:22,587
they're, they have, they maybe they are going to college

2300
03:48:22,688 --> 03:48:25,527
here at university Gulf or maybe in comics Vilga. And

2301
03:48:25,527 --> 03:48:29,547
so it gives them a good way forward. One of

2302
03:48:29,547 --> 03:48:32,267
the things I did appreciate in the conversation with the

2303
03:48:32,267 --> 03:48:34,907
people with him was the fact that they thought about

2304
03:48:35,248 --> 03:48:38,987
the Cord War and about moving for the making that

2305
03:48:39,248 --> 03:48:43,401
lane available for the animals. So for me and trying

2306
03:48:43,401 --> 03:48:45,001
to think when I walked to land and trying to

2307
03:48:45,001 --> 03:48:48,161
understand like when, if I weren't animal, you know, I

2308
03:48:48,161 --> 03:48:50,921
wouldn't want to cross Claire Road because I would probably

2309
03:48:50,942 --> 03:48:53,721
be afraid of getting hit or maybe denoise. And so

2310
03:48:53,742 --> 03:48:56,361
I would naturally try and stay away from, from that

2311
03:48:56,382 --> 03:49:00,681
area. Um, but as they explained today how that area

2312
03:49:00,702 --> 03:49:03,321
would be separated. So then that would probably give them

2313
03:49:03,422 --> 03:49:07,841
an opportunity for the for our animal to relatives to

2314
03:49:07,841 --> 03:49:11,401
happen. You have somewhere to live and somewhere to be.

2315
03:49:11,401 --> 03:49:13,881
That's not really accessible by the humans. And so I

2316
03:49:13,881 --> 03:49:18,201
think that's quite important. Um, the other thing when I,

2317
03:49:18,201 --> 03:49:19,961
the other thing I liked when I walked on the

2318
03:49:19,961 --> 03:49:23,241
land and looking at what the information they provided from

2319
03:49:23,662 --> 03:49:25,801
the slides and putting the pictures they showed in trying

2320
03:49:25,801 --> 03:49:29,241
to imagine whether it would be, um, that cord or

2321
03:49:29,422 --> 03:49:31,641
makes a, as I made them, my statement, it makes

2322
03:49:31,662 --> 03:49:34,441
basically a natural sight line. It does give you a

2323
03:49:34,441 --> 03:49:38,441
bumper from that industrial area. And so my hope would

2324
03:49:38,441 --> 03:49:43,641
be eventually maybe between us, this progressives along that the

2325
03:49:43,641 --> 03:49:47,001
discussion with the city and these developers. And maybe some

2326
03:49:47,041 --> 03:49:50,521
other community voices are maybe making sure that there's access,

2327
03:49:50,521 --> 03:49:54,201
uh, more access like to the, to Bishop Mack or

2328
03:49:54,201 --> 03:49:57,321
maybe potentially, um, more of those green spaces that are

2329
03:49:57,342 --> 03:50:00,761
not part of that, uh, ecological corridor that would be

2330
03:50:00,761 --> 03:50:04,521
available for the residents. Not just this development, but I

2331
03:50:04,521 --> 03:50:07,001
think that would be helpful for everybody else in that

2332
03:50:07,041 --> 03:50:12,258
particular community area. So glanzo komathy between thank you and

2333
03:50:12,298 --> 03:50:14,818
all that. And if there are any questions, be more

2334
03:50:14,858 --> 03:50:19,356
than happy to answer for, for you. Great. Thank you

2335
03:50:19,356 --> 03:50:22,196
very much for coming, uh, and speaking to us. Is

2336
03:50:22,196 --> 03:50:24,876
there any questions at all as a follow up for

2337
03:50:24,876 --> 03:50:27,856
my colleagues. There is not. But again, thank you very

2338
03:50:27,856 --> 03:50:32,096
much. And last that is signed up here as Hugh

2339
03:50:32,117 --> 03:50:34,656
Whiteley, who will now join us by video.

2340
03:50:49,002 --> 03:50:57,719
First unmuting. And then. Start the video. Certainly hear you.

2341
03:50:59,567 --> 03:51:01,866
We're just waiting for the video to start if you

2342
03:51:01,866 --> 03:51:11,765
wish. I'm trying to see where to accept the

2343
03:51:11,866 --> 03:51:15,413
video. No problem. Take your time if you want to

2344
03:51:15,413 --> 03:51:17,453
try to find it. And if not, we can hear

2345
03:51:17,474 --> 03:51:19,613
you very clearly here. It's not a problem. If you

2346
03:51:19,653 --> 03:51:23,213
want to just do, let's go ahead without finding the

2347
03:51:23,234 --> 03:51:27,703
video. Okay. You go right ahead. Thank you. Greetings mayor

2348
03:51:27,743 --> 03:51:31,751
councillors and members of the public. My intention in addressing

2349
03:51:31,791 --> 03:51:36,871
you today is to provide information on the planning issue,

2350
03:51:36,871 --> 03:51:41,351
which the day is about, should the boulder pavement, remnant

2351
03:51:41,852 --> 03:51:49,108
glacial spillway feature. Which occupies 280 Clair Road West. Be

2352
03:51:49,108 --> 03:51:53,968
protected as a core greenway feature. As has been the

2353
03:51:54,149 --> 03:52:02,594
cities intent from 1997 till 2024. Or should this 8.

2354
03:52:02,855 --> 03:52:08,594
5 hectare parkland, the same size space as the much

2355
03:52:08,594 --> 03:52:14,754
contested Niska Road property? Should this 8. 5 hectare Parkland

2356
03:52:14,935 --> 03:52:23,064
be converted to high density residential use. Since 1997 until

2357
03:52:23,645 --> 03:52:31,624
2024, the 8. 5 hectare subject property was 7. 1

2358
03:52:31,725 --> 03:52:38,214
hectares of it. Protected P1 Zone Parkland. The remaining 1.

2359
03:52:38,235 --> 03:52:44,054
4 hectares were urban reserve ready for adding to the

2360
03:52:44,475 --> 03:52:52,366
parkland. Currently the 8. 5 hectare property is partitioned from

2361
03:52:52,787 --> 03:52:58,408
2024. With 4. 5 hectares of the natural heritage system

2362
03:52:58,669 --> 03:53:07,146
zoning remaining. And four hectares zoned. B industrial now. The

2363
03:53:07,247 --> 03:53:13,511
proposal being considered for the development of this site. Takes

2364
03:53:13,551 --> 03:53:19,111
down the 8. 5 hectares of open space currently or

2365
03:53:19,111 --> 03:53:24,677
until recently protected. And Shrink said to 2. 5 hectares.

2366
03:53:25,403 --> 03:53:32,232
With outwash Valley that has been preserved now obliterated. The

2367
03:53:32,493 --> 03:53:36,872
planning history of 280 Plair Road West has an important

2368
03:53:37,133 --> 03:53:42,643
bearing on the decision made about the property. The handling

2369
03:53:42,824 --> 03:53:48,483
creek watershed Plan of 1993 and the South Guelph Secondary

2370
03:53:48,504 --> 03:53:55,923
Plan of August 1996 had the following description of the

2371
03:53:56,184 --> 03:54:01,683
naturalized areas which starts at the subject property on Claire

2372
03:54:01,683 --> 03:54:09,763
Road and extends, uh, over a kilometer to the exit

2373
03:54:09,944 --> 03:54:16,083
onto Maltby. Here's what the watershed plan in the Southwelve

2374
03:54:16,123 --> 03:54:21,749
Secondary Planned said about that strip of land. The provincially

2375
03:54:21,770 --> 03:54:29,015
significant wetlands within the area. And the contiguous upland forest

2376
03:54:29,196 --> 03:54:36,757
old field habitats associated with the Hamake Boran topography. Are

2377
03:54:36,858 --> 03:54:42,050
core natural areas. These features represent a high constraint to

2378
03:54:42,071 --> 03:54:48,511
development. Due to their important ecological features or functions. Which

2379
03:54:48,511 --> 03:54:54,111
include habitat for rare species. Wildlife habitat and quarter functions.

2380
03:54:55,470 --> 03:55:00,620
Groundwater Recharge and Discharge function. And a buffer to sensitive

2381
03:55:00,721 --> 03:55:06,035
wetland areas. And coming to the particular property we're talking

2382
03:55:06,035 --> 03:55:11,321
about tonight. In addition to these features a quarter lickage

2383
03:55:11,342 --> 03:55:17,641
connection, which is a remnant glacial spillway, old - field

2384
03:55:17,681 --> 03:55:24,601
thicket area, the next, the wetland's near Maltby with the

2385
03:55:24,702 --> 03:55:29,321
main handling creek swamp to the north of Claire Road,

2386
03:55:29,321 --> 03:55:37,555
as was illustrated by the preceding speaker. In 1996, during

2387
03:55:37,576 --> 03:55:41,715
the preparation of a Zoning Bylaw for the newly acquired

2388
03:55:42,296 --> 03:55:47,795
annex land between Clair Road and Maltby. Denso came to

2389
03:55:47,896 --> 03:55:54,195
Guelph and expressed an interest in purchasing industrial property for

2390
03:55:54,296 --> 03:56:02,398
sale on Clair Road. And the resulting consultations between Dencel,

2391
03:56:02,398 --> 03:56:07,278
the City and the landowner. It was determined that the

2392
03:56:07,699 --> 03:56:13,135
Eastern portion of the property Denso was interested in. Was

2393
03:56:13,175 --> 03:56:19,540
a bolder pavement remnant Glacial Spillway Valley. That had been

2394
03:56:19,721 --> 03:56:24,720
identified as part of the City's Core Natural Area. In

2395
03:56:24,720 --> 03:56:29,091
which the City was now to protect. By adopting the

2396
03:56:29,752 --> 03:56:34,691
ideal alternative when the Hanland Creek Watershed Plan was approved

2397
03:56:34,731 --> 03:56:40,170
by the City in April 1994. So in order for

2398
03:56:40,210 --> 03:56:44,570
the property to be sold to Denso, it was necessary

2399
03:56:44,591 --> 03:56:48,490
for the city to complete the Zoning for the property.

2400
03:56:49,977 --> 03:56:54,276
The resulting discussions with the City included Denso and the

2401
03:56:54,276 --> 03:57:00,264
Property Owner. And all three agreed that the property for

2402
03:57:00,285 --> 03:57:06,472
sale would be divided into two parcels. A Western 4rd

2403
03:57:06,733 --> 03:57:12,357
43 - Acre Parcel. Would be created for Denso with

2404
03:57:12,357 --> 03:57:17,557
the irregular Eastern boundary of that property being what you

2405
03:57:17,597 --> 03:57:22,917
see on the mapping of this property now, the surveyed

2406
03:57:22,917 --> 03:57:26,357
top of slope of the Western side of the outwash

2407
03:57:26,397 --> 03:57:36,055
Valley. This created 43 acre parcel would be zoned by

2408
03:57:36,156 --> 03:57:40,513
the City as B - 1 - 2 Industrial. And

2409
03:57:40,614 --> 03:57:44,513
was subsequently purchased by Denso. And that's what they occupy

2410
03:57:44,553 --> 03:57:50,588
today. The remainder of the property to the east, which

2411
03:57:50,588 --> 03:57:58,583
constituted the outwash valley feature was Zone P1 conservation. And

2412
03:57:58,684 --> 03:58:03,991
retained by the property owner. A small triangle of upland

2413
03:58:04,892 --> 03:58:09,794
east of the eastern slope of this valley. Which is

2414
03:58:10,055 --> 03:58:16,434
now parcel three, would be zoned urban reserve and also

2415
03:58:16,695 --> 03:58:20,830
retained by the property owner. So that was the situation

2416
03:58:22,611 --> 03:58:31,608
in 1997. Of the outwash Valley from possible

2417
03:58:32,509 --> 03:58:41,145
future. And cursions by industry use from the denso property.

2418
03:58:41,145 --> 03:58:46,585
The city took the unusual step of purchasing from the

2419
03:58:46,926 --> 03:58:51,945
landowner. A six metre wide strip along the western edge

2420
03:58:51,985 --> 03:58:58,145
of the denso property. That should be the eastern edge

2421
03:58:58,185 --> 03:59:03,777
of the denso property. To mark the permanent boundary for

2422
03:59:03,958 --> 03:59:11,070
development. Nothing east of that was to be allowed. There

2423
03:59:11,411 --> 03:59:17,070
is an intervening application of OPA 42 that I don't

2424
03:59:17,091 --> 03:59:22,910
have time to go into, which reduced the protection for

2425
03:59:24,131 --> 03:59:28,910
the property, but didn't change the intent of the city

2426
03:59:28,950 --> 03:59:33,137
to have it protected. Where we stand today is that

2427
03:59:33,558 --> 03:59:37,537
there's been first a proposal for the conversion of the

2428
03:59:37,878 --> 03:59:43,937
industrial zone part. What is currently industrially zoned part of

2429
03:59:44,358 --> 03:59:49,297
280 Claire West to a high density residential place in

2430
03:59:49,558 --> 03:59:56,224
23. The application has subsequently been withdrawn. Because it was

2431
03:59:56,485 --> 04:00:01,344
found that it was just not feasible to put and

2432
04:00:01,365 --> 04:00:05,664
had tight density residential on just that property.

2433
04:00:12,110 --> 04:00:17,049
And at that time staff correctly, I, in my opinion,

2434
04:00:17,630 --> 04:00:23,449
opposed the idea of creating residential use on that part

2435
04:00:23,489 --> 04:00:30,809
of the property because, um, the official Plan Prohibitions of

2436
04:00:30,849 --> 04:00:39,341
intrusion of sensitive land use as residential is. Into an

2437
04:00:39,362 --> 04:00:48,255
area with high. Major industrial facilities. The night we have

2438
04:00:48,436 --> 04:00:57,841
a new proposal. Which in effect substitutes. High density

2439
04:00:58,102 --> 04:01:06,721
residential on the land previously retained as Parkland.

2440
04:01:11,634 --> 04:01:15,933
So my request of the City is, if you're going

2441
04:01:15,933 --> 04:01:23,360
to remove 8. 5 hectares of potential parkland. Provide the

2442
04:01:23,621 --> 04:01:28,080
justification for that in the report that comes back to

2443
04:01:28,080 --> 04:01:34,461
Council. Hello Hugh. It's Mayor Guthrie. I just, you're 10

2444
04:01:34,461 --> 04:01:38,061
minutes is up. Um, so I hope you're still with

2445
04:01:38,061 --> 04:01:40,281
me. I just wanted, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but

2446
04:01:40,281 --> 04:01:43,101
you're 10 minutes is off. And I just wanted to

2447
04:01:43,101 --> 04:01:45,341
ask my colleagues now to see if the follow -

2448
04:01:45,341 --> 04:01:47,181
up question for you before we let you go. Okay.

2449
04:01:47,442 --> 04:01:49,861
So to my colleagues, is there a follow - up.

2450
04:01:52,102 --> 04:01:55,121
Okay. There is not. So thank you very much Hughes

2451
04:01:55,121 --> 04:02:02,026
for joining us. Okay. That's all of the delegations that

2452
04:02:02,287 --> 04:02:04,186
have signed up. And thank you very much to everybody

2453
04:02:04,287 --> 04:02:08,231
who gave their opinions on this matter. Uh, before I

2454
04:02:08,252 --> 04:02:11,911
move into something, uh, into the next sort of stages

2455
04:02:11,911 --> 04:02:15,130
of our evening. I have to ask, is there anybody

2456
04:02:15,170 --> 04:02:17,130
else in the room that would like to appoint on

2457
04:02:17,170 --> 04:02:21,400
this like to speak on this. Okay, hands up for

2458
04:02:21,440 --> 04:02:29,132
me as I put my glasses. On. Two. Okay. And

2459
04:02:29,313 --> 04:02:31,132
can you please put the phone number up on the

2460
04:02:31,132 --> 04:02:33,692
screen so I can see if there's anybody that wants

2461
04:02:33,732 --> 04:02:38,529
to call in as well. I need to get a

2462
04:02:38,630 --> 04:02:41,729
sort of a totality of how much more time we're

2463
04:02:41,729 --> 04:02:50,289
allotting to this. So 519 837 5603. Again, it's 519,

2464
04:02:50,289 --> 04:02:55,169
8375603. We're going to just wait a couple moments to

2465
04:02:55,209 --> 04:02:58,849
see the totality of anybody else that wants to speak.

2466
04:02:58,849 --> 04:03:00,689
And then we can make a decision there if we're

2467
04:03:00,689 --> 04:03:04,209
taking the break now or after. Okay. Um, for those

2468
04:03:04,230 --> 04:03:06,529
that have, I've seen some other people kind of come

2469
04:03:06,529 --> 04:03:10,849
in in the last hour. Again, for agenda management, just

2470
04:03:10,849 --> 04:03:13,249
in case the people that have arrived for other items

2471
04:03:13,350 --> 04:03:18,529
on the agenda, um, if you have arrived in regards

2472
04:03:18,529 --> 04:03:24,449
to the ward heritage conservation district plan, which is next,

2473
04:03:24,449 --> 04:03:32,129
or the, um, urban design master plan, uh, it would

2474
04:03:32,129 --> 04:03:36,769
not surprise me if we do not start those issues

2475
04:03:37,430 --> 04:03:47,074
until. Between a quarter to. Eight. O'clock

2476
04:03:47,255 --> 04:03:53,801
range. Okay. So, um, I'm just giving everyone a heads

2477
04:03:53,801 --> 04:03:55,081
up because if you want to go grab a coffee

2478
04:03:55,182 --> 04:03:59,304
or something. You can take our orders too. If you

2479
04:03:59,344 --> 04:04:03,654
wish. Uh, and staff, uh, then we can go from

2480
04:04:03,694 --> 04:04:05,974
there. So again, we're just waiting to see if anyone

2481
04:04:05,995 --> 04:04:09,814
else wanted to call in on this at 5198 37

2482
04:04:10,155 --> 04:04:12,054
5603. Please give us a couple minutes.

2483
04:06:25,695 --> 04:06:28,074
Okay. Everybody. Thank you. I call the meeting back to

2484
04:06:28,114 --> 04:06:31,345
order, please. So there's been no one else that is

2485
04:06:31,385 --> 04:06:34,385
called in to give opinions on this, uh, on the

2486
04:06:34,425 --> 04:06:37,345
receipt of this application. And we only have two people

2487
04:06:37,446 --> 04:06:40,225
here in the, in the room that has erased their

2488
04:06:40,225 --> 04:06:42,962
hands. And so I think it would be beneficial for

2489
04:06:42,983 --> 04:06:45,530
us to hear those two people out. And then we

2490
04:06:45,530 --> 04:06:48,487
are done with the delegations. We are then going to

2491
04:06:48,508 --> 04:06:51,687
take a half an hour break. And then we will

2492
04:06:51,708 --> 04:06:54,967
come back where council can throw some extra stuff at

2493
04:06:55,007 --> 04:06:57,847
staff as a takeaway. Okay. And then we'll move on

2494
04:06:57,868 --> 04:07:01,767
to the other agenda items. So Laura Muir, I know

2495
04:07:01,788 --> 04:07:03,687
you, of course. And, uh, saw you put up your

2496
04:07:03,727 --> 04:07:06,312
hand. You wanted to give your opinions on this. No

2497
04:07:06,312 --> 04:07:09,952
problem. Come on down. I saw someone else's hand and

2498
04:07:09,992 --> 04:07:11,712
you're going to be the last, you're going to take

2499
04:07:11,712 --> 04:07:14,032
us home. Okay. You're going to be the last one.

2500
04:07:14,032 --> 04:07:16,272
Okay. So Laura will be first and then I'll get

2501
04:07:16,312 --> 04:07:22,924
your name when you come on up. Okay. Thank you

2502
04:07:22,924 --> 04:07:26,284
very much Laura over to you. Well, thank you, Mayor

2503
04:07:26,385 --> 04:07:28,924
Guthrie and Council members and members of the public for

2504
04:07:28,964 --> 04:07:32,918
allowing me to speak today. I just wanted to say

2505
04:07:33,179 --> 04:07:36,678
that 32 years ago, I stood before council and delegated

2506
04:07:37,019 --> 04:07:40,738
after a long and fair extensive public process. To protect

2507
04:07:41,399 --> 04:07:45,378
the 21 most important areas of the Hannah Creek watershed

2508
04:07:45,418 --> 04:07:47,938
in order to preserve it for ours and future generations.

2509
04:07:48,874 --> 04:07:51,612
This area was one of them. And the question today

2510
04:07:51,633 --> 04:07:55,852
is what this land is suitable for the proposed use.

2511
04:07:56,336 --> 04:07:58,955
Now I'm here also to speak on behalf of the

2512
04:07:59,856 --> 04:08:04,496
five endangered bad species. And the species of special concern

2513
04:08:04,536 --> 04:08:06,336
that live in the Meadow area, these are all areas

2514
04:08:06,597 --> 04:08:10,754
owned by the City of Guelph currently. And so that's

2515
04:08:10,794 --> 04:08:13,234
why I'm here to speak for them. Because in this

2516
04:08:13,274 --> 04:08:16,194
world, what's happening on the planet right now are these

2517
04:08:16,194 --> 04:08:19,294
animals are being squeezed into smaller and smaller areas. And

2518
04:08:19,415 --> 04:08:22,994
the city had every intention of protecting them. Otherwise, why

2519
04:08:23,015 --> 04:08:25,314
would they allow the public to go out and plant

2520
04:08:25,354 --> 04:08:27,954
a thousand trees for a future forest on this land?

2521
04:08:27,994 --> 04:08:31,373
Now those trees are now going to be. Removed or

2522
04:08:31,474 --> 04:08:33,693
bulldoze. They say they can transplant them, but I don't

2523
04:08:33,693 --> 04:08:37,742
know how successful that's going to be. But I think,

2524
04:08:37,742 --> 04:08:39,342
you know, that, that we had a commitment to protect

2525
04:08:39,683 --> 04:08:43,662
this area. And I don't know why how this whole

2526
04:08:44,163 --> 04:08:46,862
development evolved on land that was supposed to be protected.

2527
04:08:50,284 --> 04:08:53,223
So we also stand to lose eight hectares of conservation

2528
04:08:53,263 --> 04:08:57,303
land or parkland still zone P1 under appeal. I'm not

2529
04:08:57,303 --> 04:09:00,583
sure what's happening with the appeal. And I think that,

2530
04:09:00,583 --> 04:09:05,223
uh, you know, we ask the GRCA during the meeting,

2531
04:09:05,223 --> 04:09:06,983
the NISCA meeting, we told we were told that we

2532
04:09:07,023 --> 04:09:10,403
couldn't ask the GRC to give up their development, uh,

2533
04:09:10,444 --> 04:09:12,583
plans on their eight hectors of the land. But here

2534
04:09:12,583 --> 04:09:15,703
we are in the City of Guelph allowing a developer

2535
04:09:15,743 --> 04:09:18,663
to come forward and put in a proposal for land

2536
04:09:18,684 --> 04:09:21,543
that we protected for 32 years. So to me, this

2537
04:09:22,284 --> 04:09:28,542
is not right. Any other point is, is where are

2538
04:09:29,123 --> 04:09:31,182
we going to connect these people to the nature of

2539
04:09:31,283 --> 04:09:33,022
this land? If you go out there and walk, it

2540
04:09:33,062 --> 04:09:35,742
is quite beautiful still. They're going to put up a

2541
04:09:35,843 --> 04:09:38,542
chain link fence and there's no trail through the land

2542
04:09:38,643 --> 04:09:41,262
to protect the ecological link. So these people are going

2543
04:09:41,262 --> 04:09:43,902
to be living in a very high density area with

2544
04:09:43,923 --> 04:09:47,022
no connection to this land until a trail is put

2545
04:09:47,022 --> 04:09:52,130
in for the area farther to the north. Or so.

2546
04:09:52,130 --> 04:09:56,505
So sorry. And I wanted to know why only 50

2547
04:09:56,526 --> 04:09:59,305
percent of the units are affordable. Why not 75 to

2548
04:09:59,406 --> 04:10:02,665
100 percent if affordable housing is so short in the

2549
04:10:02,705 --> 04:10:05,065
city? Why are we not allowed? Why don't why are

2550
04:10:05,065 --> 04:10:09,659
they not proposing more affordable. I didn't see any, um,

2551
04:10:11,220 --> 04:10:13,599
The walk score is 47, which is not a very

2552
04:10:13,639 --> 04:10:16,799
good score. So it's not exactly accessible for people who

2553
04:10:17,060 --> 04:10:19,999
have to take, who need to get to the grocery

2554
04:10:20,039 --> 04:10:21,759
store at the corner of Claire, wrote and go unless

2555
04:10:21,780 --> 04:10:24,479
they take the bus. And if you've ever carried your

2556
04:10:24,479 --> 04:10:26,479
groceries on the bus, you know, how difficult that can

2557
04:10:26,519 --> 04:10:30,319
be. And I think, uh, and the other point is,

2558
04:10:30,319 --> 04:10:32,559
is that the major portion of the people who are

2559
04:10:32,559 --> 04:10:34,959
going to be living in the studios, et cetera, are

2560
04:10:34,980 --> 04:10:37,279
at the very back of the property. So that adds

2561
04:10:37,319 --> 04:10:43,119
even more distance to the properties to the amenity areas

2562
04:10:43,119 --> 04:10:45,759
that people are talking about, you know, the stores and

2563
04:10:45,799 --> 04:10:50,562
everything. And also I looked at the plans, the common

2564
04:10:50,823 --> 04:10:54,642
space amenity areas have been decreased from what the City

2565
04:10:54,682 --> 04:10:59,602
requires. I didn't see any, I didn't see any children's

2566
04:10:59,623 --> 04:11:05,460
playground on the site plan. So where, and I don't

2567
04:11:05,460 --> 04:11:07,340
know where the community gardens is, but they're going to

2568
04:11:07,340 --> 04:11:10,100
have to be pretty big for 940 units if people

2569
04:11:10,121 --> 04:11:14,445
want to have a garden on their property. And I

2570
04:11:14,445 --> 04:11:16,445
did send in a lot of comments. And I want

2571
04:11:16,445 --> 04:11:19,645
to thank staff for providing me some answers for them,

2572
04:11:19,645 --> 04:11:22,845
but the still didn't get answers for. So I'm hoping

2573
04:11:22,885 --> 04:11:25,885
before this comes back to Council again for approval that

2574
04:11:25,986 --> 04:11:29,405
I received some comments on those. But I think my

2575
04:11:29,506 --> 04:11:31,965
major thing is, is here we are, we're putting in

2576
04:11:32,005 --> 04:11:35,485
affordable housing. You're going to require a class classification for

2577
04:11:35,666 --> 04:11:40,445
noise for people to sign a waiver when they buy

2578
04:11:40,706 --> 04:11:42,925
the, by their unit that they're going to be living

2579
04:11:43,106 --> 04:11:45,565
in an area where there's noise. Now this was only

2580
04:11:45,666 --> 04:11:49,165
recently brought in by the province of Ontario. And it

2581
04:11:49,165 --> 04:11:53,005
was facilitated to putting in areas for infill, where there

2582
04:11:53,005 --> 04:11:55,325
were going to be existing industry. And there was areas

2583
04:11:55,346 --> 04:11:57,965
that could be infilled with housing. This is not the

2584
04:11:57,965 --> 04:12:00,045
case I don't believe in this. This is more of

2585
04:12:00,085 --> 04:12:03,921
a green field area. And also the ambient noise levels

2586
04:12:04,422 --> 04:12:07,041
in some of the noise parts that we have difficulty

2587
04:12:07,302 --> 04:12:11,041
in some areas of the property attenuating noise less than

2588
04:12:11,062 --> 04:12:15,821
50 decibels. Now the World Health Organisation is already, uh,

2589
04:12:15,821 --> 04:12:18,561
we already know that noise level is over 50 decibels

2590
04:12:18,902 --> 04:12:22,081
at a constant 50 decibels and over is very detrimental

2591
04:12:22,121 --> 04:12:24,561
to your health. It can cause, it causes a low

2592
04:12:24,582 --> 04:12:29,441
stress response that can bring cost people to have hypertension

2593
04:12:30,262 --> 04:12:33,841
and other health issues just from the constant background noise

2594
04:12:33,841 --> 04:12:36,081
of what you're listening to. And this is even with

2595
04:12:36,342 --> 04:12:39,441
the fixed windows and some of these in the units,

2596
04:12:39,441 --> 04:12:43,865
I believe. So, um, anyway, I'm not going to comment

2597
04:12:43,905 --> 04:12:46,505
anymore. I sent all my comments in. And I think

2598
04:12:47,246 --> 04:12:50,025
if you read them, they're in the report. Both sets

2599
04:12:50,065 --> 04:12:54,603
comments that I put in. And I believe for me,

2600
04:12:54,603 --> 04:12:57,563
I oppose this development. I support affordable housing, but I

2601
04:12:57,563 --> 04:13:00,477
don't believe this is the right place for it. And

2602
04:13:00,517 --> 04:13:05,056
so that's all I have to say. Thank you. And

2603
04:13:05,056 --> 04:13:08,416
thank you very much, Laura. Is there anything for Laura?

2604
04:13:08,416 --> 04:13:09,696
Any question as a follow - up from my colleagues.

2605
04:13:11,064 --> 04:13:16,827
There is not. Thank you. And yep. Come on, Ford.

2606
04:13:16,827 --> 04:13:23,981
Come on down. And if you could just state your

2607
04:13:24,021 --> 04:13:26,541
name for the record, we would appreciate it. Go right

2608
04:13:26,581 --> 04:13:31,045
ahead. My name is Sandipkar S - A - N

2609
04:13:31,266 --> 04:13:32,965
- D - E - P - K - A

2610
04:13:32,965 --> 04:13:35,856
- U - R. Thank you very much. We appreciate

2611
04:13:35,877 --> 04:13:39,301
it. Um, okay. I just wanted to make sure that

2612
04:13:39,322 --> 04:13:41,941
wasn't an alarm going on. It's okay. It's a cleaning

2613
04:13:42,042 --> 04:13:44,981
machine. I think. Okay. So we're good. You have up

2614
04:13:44,981 --> 04:13:47,381
to 10 minutes if you need it. Go right ahead.

2615
04:13:47,381 --> 04:13:51,972
Sure. My name is Sandypkar and I'm here today to

2616
04:13:52,012 --> 04:13:54,852
share my story as someone who wants to build a

2617
04:13:54,852 --> 04:13:58,612
future in Gulf. I started working at Alinamar in December

2618
04:13:58,953 --> 04:14:03,092
2022 and my husband also works at Linamar. We both

2619
04:14:03,132 --> 04:14:05,572
have a full - time job. We work hard every

2620
04:14:05,572 --> 04:14:08,372
day and proud to contribute to the local economic and

2621
04:14:08,393 --> 04:14:11,892
the community that we call Home. For the past few

2622
04:14:11,913 --> 04:14:15,012
years, we have been renting in Gulf. We choose to

2623
04:14:15,052 --> 04:14:18,452
live here because we, because it is a wonderful city

2624
04:14:19,033 --> 04:14:22,212
with a strong sense of community, great opportunities and a

2625
04:14:22,212 --> 04:14:25,332
place where we can see ourselves our family. We have

2626
04:14:25,353 --> 04:14:28,612
built our lives here. Made friends here and become part

2627
04:14:28,612 --> 04:14:32,452
of this community. Like many young families, our dream is

2628
04:14:32,492 --> 04:14:35,172
simple. We want to honour modest home in the city

2629
04:14:36,073 --> 04:14:39,172
where we live and work. We are responsible with our

2630
04:14:39,212 --> 04:14:43,572
finances. When we save, whenever we can. And we continue

2631
04:14:43,612 --> 04:14:47,332
to plan for the future. However, despite having two full

2632
04:14:47,372 --> 04:14:50,772
- time incomes, buying a home still feels out of

2633
04:14:50,772 --> 04:14:53,572
a reach. Every time we get closer to our saving

2634
04:14:53,612 --> 04:14:59,313
goals, housing prices seems to rise even faster. As we

2635
04:14:59,334 --> 04:15:02,033
plan to grow our family, this challenge becomes even more

2636
04:15:02,054 --> 04:15:05,713
difficult. We think about the future often, having a safe

2637
04:15:05,734 --> 04:15:08,353
and a stable home, a backyard for our children to

2638
04:15:08,393 --> 04:15:11,833
play in, and the security. That comes with knowing, we

2639
04:15:11,833 --> 04:15:14,673
stay in one community for a long time. These are

2640
04:15:14,713 --> 04:15:18,833
the themes. Many families hope for, yet for us and

2641
04:15:18,833 --> 04:15:22,593
many others in similar situations, they feel increasingly difficult to

2642
04:15:22,614 --> 04:15:26,513
achieve. What makes this especially frustrating is that we are

2643
04:15:26,534 --> 04:15:29,473
exactly the kind of people who want to stay and

2644
04:15:29,473 --> 04:15:32,913
invest in Gulf. So we work here, we shop here

2645
04:15:33,334 --> 04:15:36,593
pay taxes here and contribute to the community every day.

2646
04:15:36,593 --> 04:15:39,633
So we are not looking for luxury housing. We are

2647
04:15:39,673 --> 04:15:42,993
simply hoping for a realistic opportunity to own a home

2648
04:15:43,014 --> 04:15:45,713
and build a future in a city we already call

2649
04:15:45,974 --> 04:15:49,393
home. I know my story is not unique. There are

2650
04:15:49,393 --> 04:15:55,153
many hardworking families, young professionals, newcomers and essential workers facing

2651
04:15:55,193 --> 04:15:59,713
the same challenge. That is why affordable Home Ownership Opportunities

2652
04:15:59,753 --> 04:16:03,873
are so important. This they can help families like mine

2653
04:16:04,134 --> 04:16:07,153
stay in golf and continue contributing to the community for

2654
04:16:07,574 --> 04:16:10,273
years to come. Thank you for your time for listening

2655
04:16:10,313 --> 04:16:13,233
to my story and for considering solutions that can help

2656
04:16:13,334 --> 04:16:17,473
make Home Ownership more achievable for families like arts. Thank

2657
04:16:17,473 --> 04:16:21,055
you so much. Thank you for reading and bringing that

2658
04:16:21,156 --> 04:16:23,855
to our attention. Thank you very much. Thank you. And

2659
04:16:23,855 --> 04:16:25,615
is there any questions as a follow - up for

2660
04:16:25,655 --> 04:16:30,080
this delegate. There is not. And you were the last.

2661
04:16:31,356 --> 04:16:36,793
So thank you very much. We appreciate it. Okay. I'm

2662
04:16:37,694 --> 04:16:41,253
going to get a vibe from my colleagues. Before I

2663
04:16:41,253 --> 04:16:45,907
make a decision. Should I take the break right now.

2664
04:16:47,932 --> 04:16:52,831
Or should we move to receive this and kind of

2665
04:16:53,132 --> 04:16:56,151
bring this to a conclusion and then take the break?

2666
04:16:56,191 --> 04:16:58,711
I'm seeing a lot of nods to bring this to

2667
04:16:58,732 --> 04:17:02,631
a conclusion. So I'm going to go that way. Okay.

2668
04:17:04,709 --> 04:17:08,662
But to bring it to a conclusion. I need all

2669
04:17:08,702 --> 04:17:13,382
of you to very focus, including me. Okay. Um, we

2670
04:17:13,403 --> 04:17:17,645
are here to receive an application. Councillor Alt has agreed

2671
04:17:17,666 --> 04:17:26,526
to move that. Galar will second. Thank you. Please. Tell

2672
04:17:26,547 --> 04:17:32,606
our staff anything that has not already been said as

2673
04:17:32,606 --> 04:17:35,464
a takeaway. And I'm going to go around the room.

2674
04:17:35,464 --> 04:17:36,584
And if we need to take the time, we will

2675
04:17:36,584 --> 04:17:39,224
do it together. Right. I'm not trying to rush it.

2676
04:17:39,224 --> 04:17:42,824
But I just, we don't need a huge comment here,

2677
04:17:42,824 --> 04:17:46,984
things like that. Okay. Like tell staff and in a

2678
04:17:46,984 --> 04:17:52,024
way you're telling the proponents too. You're telling them what

2679
04:17:52,064 --> 04:17:55,464
you're feeling as a takeaway. But let's do it succinctly.

2680
04:17:55,464 --> 04:17:57,304
And let's, let's get going. Okay. To get bring this

2681
04:17:57,325 --> 04:18:00,923
to a conclusion. I'm going to go Coran. And then

2682
04:18:01,264 --> 04:18:05,188
Galler. And then Hauser. Okay. And then Alt. Stop there.

2683
04:18:05,188 --> 04:18:08,468
I can't remember past four. So Coran. Thank you Mayor

2684
04:18:08,468 --> 04:18:10,708
Guthrie. I will be laser focused. I won't talk about

2685
04:18:11,129 --> 04:18:14,788
site plan issues or brick colour or anything like that.

2686
04:18:15,209 --> 04:18:17,908
It is, uh, we are here to talk about land

2687
04:18:17,948 --> 04:18:20,868
use planning. And I know that we cannot people's known.

2688
04:18:20,868 --> 04:18:27,108
But we've raised some questions about, um, perhaps conditions on

2689
04:18:27,289 --> 04:18:32,148
land adding clauses to deeds. And so I think we

2690
04:18:32,169 --> 04:18:35,348
would need some legal advice from planning as part of

2691
04:18:35,348 --> 04:18:38,068
the report back on whether we have any authority on

2692
04:18:38,108 --> 04:18:42,308
that. And if so, whether there is any liability to

2693
04:18:42,348 --> 04:18:46,788
the city, if there are adverse effects, um, from noise,

2694
04:18:46,788 --> 04:18:50,148
for example, and it would be good to know whether

2695
04:18:50,249 --> 04:18:53,668
or not that is even a land use planning issue,

2696
04:18:53,668 --> 04:18:56,468
because so much of the delegation, uh, information that we've

2697
04:18:56,508 --> 04:18:59,508
heard tonight is in support of the model and support

2698
04:18:59,548 --> 04:19:03,168
of the affordability. I think that was very powerful. The

2699
04:19:03,168 --> 04:19:07,108
stories that we heard, uh, through the delegations were extremely,

2700
04:19:07,108 --> 04:19:12,228
um, powerful in terms of what this potential project and

2701
04:19:12,268 --> 04:19:15,588
opportunity can mean, uh, so I have a better sense

2702
04:19:15,689 --> 04:19:18,708
of where that falls within our land use planning authority

2703
04:19:18,729 --> 04:19:22,481
when it comes back. Thanks. Thank you. And that I'm

2704
04:19:22,521 --> 04:19:25,681
sure many colleagues, including myself, would say Ditto, what you

2705
04:19:25,782 --> 04:19:29,201
just said. So thank you. Uh, how's, I'm sorry. Galler,

2706
04:19:29,201 --> 04:19:35,893
houser and then alt. Worship to staff. Um, one question.

2707
04:19:35,893 --> 04:19:38,293
We are receiving this tonight. When can we expect this

2708
04:19:38,314 --> 04:19:48,298
to come back to Council. Meadow Councillor?

2709
04:19:48,298 --> 04:19:50,538
Uh, we are expecting to bring the report back in

2710
04:19:50,578 --> 04:19:54,412
September. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. Thank you,

2711
04:19:54,412 --> 04:19:57,697
worship. Okay. Thank you Councillor Galler and to Hauser, please.

2712
04:19:57,697 --> 04:20:00,940
And then alt. Thank you. And through the mayor, um,

2713
04:20:00,940 --> 04:20:04,860
I was just, uh, concerned about, uh, some of the

2714
04:20:04,860 --> 04:20:08,480
comments about the endangered species and wondering about, um, if

2715
04:20:08,480 --> 04:20:11,420
you can bring us some more information on that, uh,

2716
04:20:11,461 --> 04:20:13,840
just like what we'll be put in protection for them

2717
04:20:14,341 --> 04:20:19,425
in the, in the link. Thank you. Uh, to alt

2718
04:20:19,446 --> 04:20:23,010
please and then Busatil. Thank you very much. Mayor God

2719
04:20:23,431 --> 04:20:26,690
following up on my colleagues. Um, clearly we are here

2720
04:20:26,690 --> 04:20:29,970
to balance the issues of housing ecology. And this is,

2721
04:20:29,970 --> 04:20:36,210
um, a significant challenge. Um, with regards to wildlife corridors,

2722
04:20:36,210 --> 04:20:38,530
I would hope that staff will address the assurity of

2723
04:20:38,530 --> 04:20:42,130
the corridor being protected as required by Bylaws. And I

2724
04:20:42,130 --> 04:20:46,530
think provincial statutes as well to sustain its functionality and

2725
04:20:46,530 --> 04:20:50,170
its connectivity. And the question specifically that I'd like to

2726
04:20:50,170 --> 04:20:54,050
ask is, does the stormwater management plan protect that linkage

2727
04:20:54,231 --> 04:20:57,010
or does it potentially block it? Uh, similarly, what will

2728
04:20:57,050 --> 04:21:00,290
the effective construction be on the wildlife or in our,

2729
04:21:00,290 --> 04:21:03,810
cause it potentially could, uh, block, impede it for some

2730
04:21:04,151 --> 04:21:08,290
amount of time. As well on page 16 of the

2731
04:21:08,551 --> 04:21:16,130
report, some references were made in point private infrastructure on

2732
04:21:16,471 --> 04:21:20,290
future City lands raises a concern regarding potential impacts on

2733
04:21:20,871 --> 04:21:25,810
ecological functionality as well as occupiers liability risks to the

2734
04:21:25,831 --> 04:21:30,210
city. I was wondering if staff could please, um, flesh

2735
04:21:30,250 --> 04:21:32,290
that out so that I know what it is that

2736
04:21:32,330 --> 04:21:37,170
we are talking about beyond the obscure reference to occupy's

2737
04:21:37,170 --> 04:21:40,210
risks to the city. I think we need some details.

2738
04:21:40,210 --> 04:21:42,930
Perhaps that's even something that has to be done enclosed.

2739
04:21:42,930 --> 04:21:44,530
But I think it needs to come back at some

2740
04:21:44,570 --> 04:21:48,338
point. Thank you. Great. And thank you. Uh, over to

2741
04:21:48,839 --> 04:21:52,658
Busatill actually has said that I think Councillor Alt, you've

2742
04:21:52,658 --> 04:21:56,098
captured, uh, what her takeaway was as well. So thank

2743
04:21:56,098 --> 04:21:59,538
you. Is there anybody else that would like staff to

2744
04:21:59,559 --> 04:22:05,955
hear anything before I call the vote. There is not.

2745
04:22:05,955 --> 04:22:10,275
So just from me, I would suggest that, um, and

2746
04:22:10,275 --> 04:22:12,435
I'm just kind of taking an observation of the vibe

2747
04:22:12,456 --> 04:22:14,895
in the room here. There seems to be a lot

2748
04:22:14,895 --> 04:22:18,275
of support. I think around where the project is going.

2749
04:22:18,275 --> 04:22:20,995
And I believe where the issues that my colleagues have

2750
04:22:21,035 --> 04:22:23,635
raised are just around the technical. Like it's, it's the

2751
04:22:23,635 --> 04:22:25,795
technical side of things. And I think, I think the

2752
04:22:25,896 --> 04:22:29,555
project proponents have, I've actually addressed a lot of that

2753
04:22:29,656 --> 04:22:33,155
within the detailed reports that are there. But working together

2754
04:22:33,976 --> 04:22:36,275
to, to figure that out before it comes back in

2755
04:22:36,315 --> 04:22:39,235
September would be, would be just, just to have it

2756
04:22:39,235 --> 04:22:41,315
really clear would be great for, for me and for

2757
04:22:41,315 --> 04:22:47,595
us. Um, and I just wondered one quick question. Is

2758
04:22:47,595 --> 04:22:55,266
there a tunnel for, um, animal linkage already under. Claire

2759
04:22:55,266 --> 04:22:57,666
Road going across that road there? Is there already a

2760
04:22:57,706 --> 04:23:00,546
tunnel to help with, with that? Or is there not

2761
04:23:00,586 --> 04:23:03,506
one there? I can't remember. Because I know on Eastview,

2762
04:23:03,506 --> 04:23:06,146
when we redid Eastview, we put those tunnels under East

2763
04:23:06,167 --> 04:23:09,426
View and people really like that. In fact, you could

2764
04:23:09,527 --> 04:23:13,346
watch a live video. Did you know that? Of, yes,

2765
04:23:13,386 --> 04:23:15,506
there was turtles and people were like, Oh, there's teenage

2766
04:23:15,546 --> 04:23:18,466
mutant ninja turtles going across the thing there. So is

2767
04:23:18,506 --> 04:23:21,906
there already a tunnel for animals going across Claire to

2768
04:23:21,946 --> 04:23:28,130
date. Uh, to the mayor. No, there is not this

2769
04:23:28,130 --> 04:23:32,290
time. There isn't. Okay. Because if that's what's being proposed,

2770
04:23:32,290 --> 04:23:36,931
that would actually be an enhancement to animals. Right. It's

2771
04:23:36,931 --> 04:23:42,322
not there now. So, um, okay. And, uh, other than

2772
04:23:42,322 --> 04:23:45,442
that, looking forward, I'm looking forward to have this come

2773
04:23:45,482 --> 04:23:49,533
back in September. That's great. So thank you. And we'll

2774
04:23:49,573 --> 04:23:53,778
have a discussion and debate then. Uh, with that, I'm

2775
04:23:53,778 --> 04:23:56,018
going to call the vote then. Is there anyone against

2776
04:23:56,119 --> 04:24:02,794
receiving the application. Nobody. So that's unanimous for receipt. Thank

2777
04:24:02,794 --> 04:24:06,474
you very much. Everyone take a breath. And, uh, we're

2778
04:24:06,474 --> 04:24:12,835
good. And this now it's 7 10. We are going

2779
04:24:12,835 --> 04:24:20,625
to come back here at 735. I'm calling it a

2780
04:24:20,726 --> 04:24:24,305
25 minute break. I'm already cutting five minutes. When we

2781
04:24:24,305 --> 04:24:31,068
come back, we will. Jump to the ward heritage conservation

2782
04:24:31,249 --> 04:24:36,217
district. The draft plan and guidelines. Okay. And that's another

2783
04:24:36,478 --> 04:24:40,697
receive only. Okay. Just show everyone knows. No decisions on

2784
04:24:40,697 --> 04:24:45,085
that one either. Then we get indecision into decision mode.

2785
04:24:46,943 --> 04:24:49,322
And we'll do the urban design master plan after that.

2786
04:24:50,420 --> 04:24:56,367
And. Also we have the growth management presentation too. So,

2787
04:24:56,367 --> 04:24:59,887
uh, 735. See you all then. Thank you.

2788
04:48:15,903 --> 04:48:18,362
To my colleagues online, if you can hear me, this

2789
04:48:18,362 --> 04:48:20,122
is your one minute warning, okay?

2790
04:49:11,929 --> 04:49:14,468
And to my colleagues online, this is your 32nd warning.

2791
04:49:48,651 --> 04:49:51,590
Okay, I am calling the meeting back to order. Thank

2792
04:49:51,590 --> 04:49:55,430
you very much for waiting through the first item there,

2793
04:49:55,430 --> 04:50:00,150
and we are now to the Ward Heritage Conservation District.

2794
04:50:00,150 --> 04:50:03,390
It is the draft plan and guidelines. We have a

2795
04:50:03,390 --> 04:50:08,590
couple of presentations here from both Jack and Rebecca. I

2796
04:50:08,590 --> 04:50:13,874
don't have my glasses on. Rebecca, where are you? Hello,

2797
04:50:13,874 --> 04:50:16,914
thank you. So I will turn it over to you.

2798
04:50:17,374 --> 04:50:20,774
To hit us with that presentation. We have one delegation

2799
04:50:20,875 --> 04:50:24,905
after that. So go right ahead, Jack. Thank you. Good

2800
04:50:24,905 --> 04:50:27,705
evening, Mayor Guthrie, members of Council and members of the

2801
04:50:27,726 --> 04:50:30,665
public who have joined us to discuss the draft ward

2802
04:50:30,705 --> 04:50:34,370
Heritage Conservation District Plan. Recognising that you have a long

2803
04:50:34,370 --> 04:50:37,410
meeting tonight. I will try and conserve your time as

2804
04:50:37,410 --> 04:50:41,707
carefully as I can serve heritage. Tonight presents an opportunity

2805
04:50:41,888 --> 04:50:46,267
for Council and members of the public to provide feedback

2806
04:50:46,448 --> 04:50:50,648
on the draft Ward HCD plan. I will be presenting

2807
04:50:50,829 --> 04:50:55,288
alongside Rebecca Shara, Cultural Heritage Manager with ASI, and Project

2808
04:50:55,309 --> 04:51:00,013
Manager for the Ward HCD Project. To provide a brief

2809
04:51:00,114 --> 04:51:04,893
recap, in 2023, Council directed staff to initiate a heritage

2810
04:51:04,914 --> 04:51:07,853
district study for the Western portion of the Ward neighbourhood.

2811
04:51:09,631 --> 04:51:13,690
Heritage Conservation Districts are proven strategy for conserving community character.

2812
04:51:14,376 --> 04:51:18,835
While making room for needed growth and change. Last June,

2813
04:51:18,936 --> 04:51:22,195
Council approved the proposed boundary for the district and directed

2814
04:51:22,296 --> 04:51:25,555
staff to begin work on the Heritage Conservation District Plan

2815
04:51:26,216 --> 04:51:29,635
that would guide conservation and development in the word HCD.

2816
04:51:31,304 --> 04:51:34,403
From the beginning, we envisioned this district to be shaped

2817
04:51:34,504 --> 04:51:38,598
by the community within its borders. We hosted three very

2818
04:51:38,638 --> 04:51:42,918
well - attended public open houses. We received valuable feedback

2819
04:51:43,179 --> 04:51:48,332
and advice. What we heard loud and queer was the

2820
04:51:48,353 --> 04:51:52,332
desire to have Heritage Buildings and landscapes protected from loss

2821
04:51:52,673 --> 04:51:56,652
without restricting change or property owner's ability to be creative.

2822
04:51:58,102 --> 04:52:02,961
Similarly, we consulted development stakeholders whose feedback was critical that

2823
04:52:02,961 --> 04:52:08,490
developing a plan that balances conservation with flexibility. It is

2824
04:52:08,490 --> 04:52:10,650
appropriate that we are presenting this plan on the same

2825
04:52:10,671 --> 04:52:13,690
evening as the urban design master plan for the Midtown

2826
04:52:13,711 --> 04:52:17,372
Village. The two reports tell different parts of the same

2827
04:52:17,633 --> 04:52:21,335
story. That heritage and development can go hand in hand.

2828
04:52:22,863 --> 04:52:26,282
Preserving what makes a place special and accommodating growth are

2829
04:52:26,303 --> 04:52:29,962
not mutually exclusive goals. They're both essential to building a

2830
04:52:29,983 --> 04:52:35,736
city that is vibrant, resilient, and distinctive. Heritage district is

2831
04:52:35,757 --> 04:52:40,242
a conversation between past, present, and future. It is about

2832
04:52:40,343 --> 04:52:42,642
deciding what is worth caring forward and how we can

2833
04:52:42,682 --> 04:52:45,602
manage change without losing the character that makes a place

2834
04:52:45,642 --> 04:52:50,192
special. In Planner Speak, we call this stewardship of the

2835
04:52:50,453 --> 04:52:55,552
ward's unique cultural heritage resources and landscapes. A resident of

2836
04:52:55,552 --> 04:52:57,472
one of our open houses had a more direct way

2837
04:52:57,472 --> 04:53:03,101
of putting it. Keep the board weird. After several hundred

2838
04:53:03,141 --> 04:53:08,421
pages of reports, maps, inventories, studies, and policy recommendations. It

2839
04:53:08,421 --> 04:53:10,461
was humbling to discover that the goal of this project

2840
04:53:10,642 --> 04:53:15,106
could be summarized so concisely in just four words. I

2841
04:53:15,146 --> 04:53:17,346
will now hand it over to Rebecca to tell you

2842
04:53:17,386 --> 04:53:19,506
more about the word HCD District Plan.

2843
04:53:32,544 --> 04:53:40,364
Thank you, Jack, and good evening. I'm Rebecca Sharra, principal

2844
04:53:40,625 --> 04:53:45,141
inheritage planner with ASI Heritage. I've been leading The Ward

2845
04:53:45,141 --> 04:53:48,581
Conservation District Study and Plan since the work began in

2846
04:53:48,621 --> 04:53:53,618
2024. I am here with UTA, Maya Jean Batista, Principal

2847
04:53:53,639 --> 04:53:57,535
and Urban Designer with O2 Planning and Design. We've prepared

2848
04:53:58,196 --> 04:54:02,175
a short presentation tonight to walk through the Ward Conservation

2849
04:54:02,196 --> 04:54:07,445
District Plan. I will start tonight with a quick refresh.

2850
04:54:08,956 --> 04:54:15,418
Of what The Plan is covering. I don't think. This

2851
04:54:15,458 --> 04:54:20,686
is advancing. Yes. Yes, I am.

2852
04:54:26,273 --> 04:54:32,095
We go. I'm here. Thank you. So a formal heritage

2853
04:54:32,116 --> 04:54:35,055
district in the ward is being recommended under the Ontario

2854
04:54:35,076 --> 04:54:37,775
Heritage Act within the area shown here in front of

2855
04:54:37,775 --> 04:54:41,396
you. The goal of this district is to establish a

2856
04:54:41,417 --> 04:54:46,085
flexible. Yet place - sensitive framework to guide future development

2857
04:54:46,186 --> 04:54:49,999
in the ward. The goal is not to freeze the

2858
04:54:50,340 --> 04:54:54,857
place and time. Instead, this district plan presents a path

2859
04:54:54,878 --> 04:54:58,377
forward for how it can continue to adapt while remaining

2860
04:54:58,478 --> 04:55:03,487
special. This is a place with memories, with historic fabric.

2861
04:55:04,250 --> 04:55:07,949
Yet also very contemporary. In all of those elements are

2862
04:55:08,130 --> 04:55:13,273
at their best when operating and mixing together. The plan

2863
04:55:13,534 --> 04:55:17,817
responds to and celebrates. This potent mix of elements that

2864
04:55:18,158 --> 04:55:21,535
characterize this part of the ward. A place that is

2865
04:55:21,556 --> 04:55:26,095
in a constant state of shaping, making, adapting, and celebrating.

2866
04:55:29,427 --> 04:55:32,206
Almost a year ago, City Council directed staff to begin

2867
04:55:32,227 --> 04:55:38,735
preparing a planning document for the Ward Heritage District. It

2868
04:55:38,775 --> 04:55:42,371
covers the West Side of the Ward area. Where development

2869
04:55:42,392 --> 04:55:46,201
happened earliest and in a distinct way. It was shaped

2870
04:55:46,241 --> 04:55:50,815
by its location on the speed and eramosa rivers. The

2871
04:55:50,815 --> 04:55:53,375
confluence between them would have likely been an important meeting

2872
04:55:53,415 --> 04:55:57,215
place for Indigenous communities long before the area was intensified

2873
04:55:57,876 --> 04:56:03,775
in the late 1880s and early 1800s and early 1900s.

2874
04:56:03,775 --> 04:56:07,855
It's Riverside location encouraged industry and rail to emerge here

2875
04:56:08,436 --> 04:56:11,455
and also laid a blueprint for any regular and curious

2876
04:56:11,495 --> 04:56:15,629
arrangement of streets and blocks. Its low - lying and

2877
04:56:15,629 --> 04:56:18,974
wetlands kept the land affordable. And between the 1880s and

2878
04:56:18,995 --> 04:56:22,679
1930s when the area built up. The buildings and street

2879
04:56:22,719 --> 04:56:25,719
scapes that emerged reflect the lives and traditions of the

2880
04:56:25,740 --> 04:56:28,999
communities of newcomers that arrived here, making it their new

2881
04:56:28,999 --> 04:56:36,281
home. The district plan for the ward has been developed

2882
04:56:36,462 --> 04:56:40,448
based on this kind of understanding of this place. That

2883
04:56:40,488 --> 04:56:43,008
understanding has involved looking at the history and features of

2884
04:56:43,048 --> 04:56:45,968
the area, how it was developed, and how it has

2885
04:56:45,968 --> 04:56:48,128
changed, and the patterns that are on display here today.

2886
04:56:49,809 --> 04:56:52,588
This understanding also takes into account what the area is

2887
04:56:52,769 --> 04:56:56,188
intended to become based on the cities and provinces land

2888
04:56:56,228 --> 04:56:59,486
use planning vision and goals. It also reflects what we

2889
04:56:59,486 --> 04:57:02,191
have heard from talking to the public. People who live

2890
04:57:02,231 --> 04:57:05,791
here, people who own property here, people who want to

2891
04:57:05,831 --> 04:57:09,897
build and develop here. People who work here paint here.

2892
04:57:10,548 --> 04:57:13,905
Walk here. Visit here. We have also talked to The

2893
04:57:13,926 --> 04:57:16,545
Mississaugas of the New Credit and Six Nations of the

2894
04:57:16,646 --> 04:57:19,665
Grand River, and a project - specific working group and

2895
04:57:19,665 --> 04:57:26,841
the City's Heritage Advisory Committee. The Ward neighbourhood may not

2896
04:57:26,881 --> 04:57:30,361
be a conventional or obvious candidate for a Heritage Conservation

2897
04:57:30,542 --> 04:57:34,885
District. 40 years ago when districts started to be protected

2898
04:57:35,146 --> 04:57:38,085
in Ontario, they tended to focus on areas of sameness

2899
04:57:38,746 --> 04:57:42,925
or high - end architecture. Impressive examples of grand buildings

2900
04:57:43,186 --> 04:57:46,925
built by people of means or streets lined with nearly

2901
04:57:46,946 --> 04:57:51,709
identical buildings. 40 years later though, districts and approaches to

2902
04:57:51,810 --> 04:57:57,518
Heritage Conservation are far more reflective and insightful. Heritage is

2903
04:57:57,518 --> 04:58:01,668
not a beauty contest. It's about understanding places that are

2904
04:58:01,849 --> 04:58:05,748
part of our collective history and contemporary communities and how

2905
04:58:05,748 --> 04:58:09,188
those layers can survive as they continue to evolve and

2906
04:58:09,209 --> 04:58:13,763
thrive through this century and beyond. This historically working class

2907
04:58:13,803 --> 04:58:18,083
area contains a number of large, late 19 and 20th

2908
04:58:18,083 --> 04:58:21,283
century Industrial Buildings, located along the Speed River and around

2909
04:58:21,464 --> 04:58:23,523
a series of rail lines that were introduced to the

2910
04:58:23,544 --> 04:58:32,187
neighbourhood. These industrial buildings are surrounded by tightly packed Worker's

2911
04:58:32,187 --> 04:58:39,388
Housing, built following Simple Designs and using modest materials. The

2912
04:58:39,489 --> 04:58:43,868
neighbourhood has long been home to newcomers and immigrant populations

2913
04:58:44,289 --> 04:58:48,348
with a particularly large population of Italian immigrants who brought

2914
04:58:48,449 --> 04:58:54,683
their traditions and ways of life to the community. Many

2915
04:58:54,723 --> 04:58:58,203
of the buildings here have been altered and adapted over

2916
04:58:58,243 --> 04:59:01,243
time as people converted parts of their homes into shops

2917
04:59:01,424 --> 04:59:04,683
and storefronts. These conversions were an important part of the

2918
04:59:04,723 --> 04:59:07,643
local economy and vital to the resilience and self -

2919
04:59:07,643 --> 04:59:12,263
sufficiency of the community. These changes left physical traces throughout

2920
04:59:12,303 --> 04:59:16,625
the neighbourhood that today communicate its evolution. There is no

2921
04:59:16,886 --> 04:59:20,865
question that this area is of cultural heritage value and

2922
04:59:20,905 --> 04:59:27,628
meets the requirements for designation under the Ontario Heritage. Over

2923
04:59:27,729 --> 04:59:30,508
the last year, this project has had a robust engagement

2924
04:59:30,609 --> 04:59:34,808
program, virtual public engagement activities ran in the winter, and

2925
04:59:34,808 --> 04:59:38,348
we shared preliminary work with a project working group and

2926
04:59:38,348 --> 04:59:41,868
the Heritage Advisory Committee at the same time. In the

2927
04:59:41,908 --> 04:59:44,348
spring, we had a public open house to share draft

2928
04:59:44,369 --> 04:59:48,718
policies and guidelines at the Italian Canadian Centre. One -

2929
04:59:48,718 --> 04:59:52,158
on - one communications with interested stakeholders and the Ms.

2930
04:59:52,158 --> 04:59:55,023
Saugas of the Credit. And Six Nations of the Grand

2931
04:59:55,524 --> 04:59:57,848
happened in the spring as well. We are now here

2932
04:59:57,888 --> 05:00:02,205
today having the statutory public meeting of council. A draft

2933
05:00:02,226 --> 05:00:05,325
version of the plan was released in its entirety in

2934
05:00:05,365 --> 05:00:08,125
June, and I'd like to now share a bit of

2935
05:00:08,165 --> 05:00:13,638
what we heard through these rich and engaging sessions. We

2936
05:00:13,739 --> 05:00:16,518
heard through the engagement program that this is an area

2937
05:00:16,779 --> 05:00:21,406
with important community anchors. This map shows some specific features

2938
05:00:21,907 --> 05:00:24,846
and sites that the community hopes are still there in

2939
05:00:25,027 --> 05:00:29,726
2050. Some are institutional buildings and sites like churches and

2940
05:00:29,726 --> 05:00:33,646
schools, places that have served the community for decades. Others

2941
05:00:33,646 --> 05:00:38,686
are places, like the intersection of Arthur, Ontario and Manitoba

2942
05:00:38,707 --> 05:00:44,039
Street. Summer contemporary. Or of the more recent past, like

2943
05:00:44,039 --> 05:00:47,485
the two rivers community garden, or the Ukrainian church. While

2944
05:00:47,525 --> 05:00:50,685
others are from the 1800s like the Spring Mill Distillery.

2945
05:00:54,101 --> 05:00:57,280
At March, the Italian Canadian Centre, our understanding of this

2946
05:00:57,381 --> 05:01:01,516
place continued to be refined. We talked with people and

2947
05:01:01,556 --> 05:01:05,116
discussed sample policies and guidelines for the district. We heard

2948
05:01:05,156 --> 05:01:08,316
from kids, parents, people who live in the ward, and

2949
05:01:08,337 --> 05:01:10,876
people who do business here about the features that should

2950
05:01:10,876 --> 05:01:16,070
be stewarded as the area moves forward. In summary, through

2951
05:01:16,110 --> 05:01:18,870
the process we heard recurring themes about what is important.

2952
05:01:20,281 --> 05:01:23,060
To steward as the community continues to adapt and evolve.

2953
05:01:23,987 --> 05:01:28,277
Freedom of self - expression was emphasized. We also heard

2954
05:01:28,378 --> 05:01:31,637
that retention of a unique mix of historic buildings was

2955
05:01:31,658 --> 05:01:35,877
important. And also an emphasis on a commitment to a

2956
05:01:35,917 --> 05:01:41,157
strong public realm network supporting walkability and human connections. And

2957
05:01:41,197 --> 05:01:43,477
it is with all of this input and knowledge that

2958
05:01:43,517 --> 05:01:46,917
we have crafted a district plan that responds to what

2959
05:01:46,917 --> 05:01:47,317
we have heard.

2960
05:02:03,421 --> 05:02:06,280
The district plan for the ward is not a cookie

2961
05:02:06,320 --> 05:02:09,828
cutter type of conservation plan. It is different than the

2962
05:02:09,849 --> 05:02:15,059
usual heritage document. It documents what we have learned about

2963
05:02:15,160 --> 05:02:18,579
this place. It's unique and curious patterns of built forms

2964
05:02:18,600 --> 05:02:21,910
and streetscapes and what we have heard. It presents a

2965
05:02:21,931 --> 05:02:27,143
highly permissive and flexible policy framework instead of guidelines. And

2966
05:02:27,143 --> 05:02:30,103
this is exactly part of the ward's cultural and built

2967
05:02:30,124 --> 05:02:35,456
form DNA. Historically and today. The plan allows for and

2968
05:02:35,456 --> 05:02:39,376
encourages people to continue adopting and altering their buildings and

2969
05:02:39,376 --> 05:02:43,456
properties. It recognises that streetscapes and the public realm can

2970
05:02:43,456 --> 05:02:48,816
help promote walkability and pedestrian experiences. The plan presents policies

2971
05:02:49,077 --> 05:02:54,060
that consider how private property meets shared public space. The

2972
05:02:54,401 --> 05:02:58,700
plan recognises the historical and contemporary importance of commercial building

2973
05:02:58,961 --> 05:03:03,500
typologies within the district and continuing this important historical pattern

2974
05:03:03,601 --> 05:03:07,545
of small businesses. Finally, the plan serves as a record

2975
05:03:08,046 --> 05:03:11,865
in and of itself documenting this working class area where

2976
05:03:11,905 --> 05:03:16,105
newcomers establish themselves and built communities. The plan creates a

2977
05:03:16,105 --> 05:03:19,705
framework for stewarding the buildings and telling their stories and

2978
05:03:19,705 --> 05:03:22,985
also a path for continuing to tell those stories, even

2979
05:03:22,985 --> 05:03:28,524
when the bricks and mortar are no longer there. In

2980
05:03:28,545 --> 05:03:31,084
the Planned Document, you will see that properties within the

2981
05:03:31,105 --> 05:03:35,788
boundary have been categorized into contributing properties. These are the

2982
05:03:35,889 --> 05:03:40,964
properties that reflect or express the district's heritage values. Most

2983
05:03:41,385 --> 05:03:45,478
state to the 1880 to 1930 period. Others are much

2984
05:03:45,518 --> 05:03:50,116
earlier from the 1850s to 1870s. While others are later.

2985
05:03:51,297 --> 05:03:56,729
Like the Ukrainian church. Others go back to time immemorial,

2986
05:03:56,729 --> 05:04:00,442
such as The Rivers. Many are house - formed buildings

2987
05:04:01,903 --> 05:04:06,067
also included our churches, schools, former sites of industry. As

2988
05:04:06,168 --> 05:04:09,667
well as homes that operated cottage industries inside their walls.

2989
05:04:10,917 --> 05:04:14,176
Also included our gateways such as the 100 steps or

2990
05:04:14,176 --> 05:04:18,236
places such as the intersection of Arthur, Ontario Manitoba, and

2991
05:04:18,277 --> 05:04:25,959
Alison here on Street. As required under the Ontario Heritage

2992
05:04:25,999 --> 05:04:29,399
Act, the Plan Presents a process for Heritage Permitting within

2993
05:04:29,399 --> 05:04:35,135
the Proposed District. Dependent on the kinds of activities proposed,

2994
05:04:35,135 --> 05:04:39,228
activities can fall into one of four categories. Activities can

2995
05:04:39,268 --> 05:04:44,199
either be exempt. Or considered a minor activity. Or considered

2996
05:04:44,199 --> 05:04:47,948
a major activity. And then the fourth category includes new

2997
05:04:47,969 --> 05:04:54,372
constructions and or demolition activities. Exempt activities require nothing more

2998
05:04:54,713 --> 05:05:00,494
than is otherwise required under the building code. Minor, major,

2999
05:05:00,494 --> 05:05:04,814
and new construction, or demolition activities, require a heritage permit

3000
05:05:04,835 --> 05:05:09,605
process. Permits for minor activities. Are approved at the staff

3001
05:05:09,626 --> 05:05:15,136
level. Major or new construction or demolition permits are also

3002
05:05:15,157 --> 05:05:18,016
approved at the staff level with input from the Heritage

3003
05:05:18,056 --> 05:05:23,419
Advisory Committee. There is no cost for heritage permits. And

3004
05:05:23,459 --> 05:05:26,539
if there is a recommendation from staff to refuse a

3005
05:05:26,539 --> 05:05:28,929
permit. The permit would then go to Council to make

3006
05:05:29,030 --> 05:05:33,009
a final decision and property owners can appeal council decisions

3007
05:05:33,049 --> 05:05:40,864
to the Ontario Land Tribunal. Many activities on contributing properties

3008
05:05:40,965 --> 05:05:46,223
within the proposed district are exempt. Exempt activities include things

3009
05:05:46,263 --> 05:05:52,245
like interior renovations or constructing an accessory dwelling unit. That's

3010
05:05:52,285 --> 05:05:55,605
not visible from the public right - of - way.

3011
05:05:55,605 --> 05:05:59,118
Additions of elements such as dormers, for example. As well

3012
05:05:59,118 --> 05:06:06,171
as repairs or replacements in kind. For example, existing existing

3013
05:06:06,192 --> 05:06:10,543
siding with new siding. As well as additions of replacements

3014
05:06:10,724 --> 05:06:13,823
or removals of porches. Those are all activities that would

3015
05:06:13,863 --> 05:06:18,701
be exempt from a specific heritage permit. Other activities on

3016
05:06:18,722 --> 05:06:23,021
contributing properties would require a minor heritage permit, which would

3017
05:06:23,042 --> 05:06:27,412
be approved at the staff level. These kinds of minor

3018
05:06:27,412 --> 05:06:32,372
activities involve things like adding new or extending parking pad

3019
05:06:32,372 --> 05:06:35,812
areas, constructing an accessory - dwelling unit that is visible

3020
05:06:35,913 --> 05:06:40,330
from the public right of way. Or even making additions

3021
05:06:40,751 --> 05:06:44,490
at rears and sides of primary buildings on contributing properties.

3022
05:06:45,297 --> 05:06:48,476
Which in some cases may also be exempt from any

3023
05:06:48,657 --> 05:06:52,770
heritage permit, depending on the scope of the addition. Other

3024
05:06:53,031 --> 05:06:57,090
more substantial activities on contributing properties would require a major

3025
05:06:57,351 --> 05:07:01,779
heritage permit. Things like picking up an entire building and

3026
05:07:01,779 --> 05:07:05,939
moving it to an entirely new property or adding a

3027
05:07:05,979 --> 05:07:09,059
full second story edition on a single - story building.

3028
05:07:10,510 --> 05:07:14,249
Or making an addition that fully conceals the front facade

3029
05:07:14,430 --> 05:07:21,119
of a contributing building. If a contributing building. Is proposed

3030
05:07:21,159 --> 05:07:25,679
for demolition, a new construction or demolition permit would be

3031
05:07:25,700 --> 05:07:30,287
required. For non - contributing properties, so those are all

3032
05:07:30,388 --> 05:07:34,127
the properties that are considered to not express the Heritage

3033
05:07:34,127 --> 05:07:38,207
Values of the District. The Planned addresses two future permitting

3034
05:07:38,247 --> 05:07:42,127
scenarios for those types of properties. So one would involve

3035
05:07:42,468 --> 05:07:45,247
when a new building is proposed for construction in the

3036
05:07:45,268 --> 05:07:49,007
district on a non - contributing property, a new construction

3037
05:07:49,428 --> 05:07:53,933
heritage permit. Process would be required. Or in other cases,

3038
05:07:54,114 --> 05:07:58,493
demolitions of non - contributing buildings would either be exempt

3039
05:07:58,674 --> 05:08:07,395
or in some cases require a minor permit. The plan

3040
05:08:07,435 --> 05:08:11,035
presents a series of policies and guidelines as well. In

3041
05:08:11,035 --> 05:08:14,603
chapters 10, 11, and 12 of the document. And it's

3042
05:08:14,603 --> 05:08:18,683
very important to understand the difference between policies versus guidelines

3043
05:08:18,704 --> 05:08:22,783
in the plan. Policies define the expectations for the district

3044
05:08:23,204 --> 05:08:28,541
and use words like shell. These are mandatory. In contrast,

3045
05:08:28,802 --> 05:08:33,741
guidelines provide practical how - to strategies to achieve policies.

3046
05:08:33,922 --> 05:08:37,421
They are not mandatory and use words like should and

3047
05:08:37,461 --> 05:08:43,442
encourage. I now want to walk through some sample policies

3048
05:08:43,463 --> 05:08:46,082
and guidelines from the draft plan, and I'd like to

3049
05:08:46,122 --> 05:08:49,842
show how policies differ from guidelines and also give a

3050
05:08:49,882 --> 05:08:54,565
taste of their substance. Within the Planned Document itself, all

3051
05:08:54,666 --> 05:08:58,405
policies are clearly identified in purple text and is numbered

3052
05:08:58,445 --> 05:09:03,442
statements. In chapters 10, 11, and 12. Guidelines are presented

3053
05:09:03,543 --> 05:09:07,752
after policies and are in a lettered list. Here's an

3054
05:09:07,752 --> 05:09:11,912
example of a policy and to guidelines for making additions

3055
05:09:11,933 --> 05:09:16,833
on contributing properties. The policy states that additions to contributing

3056
05:09:16,934 --> 05:09:22,433
properties that contain representative or unique residential building types shall

3057
05:09:22,454 --> 05:09:27,873
be permitted at rears and sides. The Plan provides a

3058
05:09:27,913 --> 05:09:31,233
clear statement that side and rear additions to buildings are

3059
05:09:31,254 --> 05:09:35,293
permitted in the district. Two text guidelines, as you see

3060
05:09:35,293 --> 05:09:39,073
here, A and B, and visual diagrams pair with this

3061
05:09:39,094 --> 05:09:45,098
policy to help explain how one can achieve. The policy

3062
05:09:45,839 --> 05:09:52,308
while not introducing mandatory rigid and cookie cutter requirements. So

3063
05:09:52,409 --> 05:09:57,588
for example, side in yard editions can exceed existing ridge

3064
05:09:57,588 --> 05:10:00,087
lines of roofs in the district. And this is because

3065
05:10:00,108 --> 05:10:03,367
in the ward, we are not interested in hiding additions

3066
05:10:03,788 --> 05:10:07,367
and changes. Seeing additions is very much what this place

3067
05:10:07,388 --> 05:10:11,884
is all about. And this kind of policy approach invites

3068
05:10:12,145 --> 05:10:15,084
a wide range of different ways that a property owner

3069
05:10:15,345 --> 05:10:18,044
can add density to their lot and are livable space

3070
05:10:18,145 --> 05:10:21,988
to an existing building. Another guideline that pairs with this

3071
05:10:22,089 --> 05:10:28,957
policy advises that full story additions are discouraged. But where

3072
05:10:28,997 --> 05:10:32,237
contemplated they should be set back from the primary facade.

3073
05:10:33,740 --> 05:10:37,319
As part of our technical analysis of existing buildings and

3074
05:10:37,359 --> 05:10:39,799
streets in the ward, we found that full - story

3075
05:10:39,799 --> 05:10:45,559
editions can often dramatically impact a contributing building, reducing the

3076
05:10:45,660 --> 05:10:48,639
extent to which it's even recognisable as a sort of

3077
05:10:48,780 --> 05:10:53,579
historic part of the place. So this kind of flexible

3078
05:10:53,680 --> 05:10:57,019
wording provides guidance on how to do a full story

3079
05:10:57,040 --> 05:11:02,219
addition, if necessary, without introducing strict requirements that would forever

3080
05:11:02,400 --> 05:11:08,684
and always preclude them from happening. These policies were informed

3081
05:11:08,785 --> 05:11:12,104
based on an understanding of what is here in the

3082
05:11:12,305 --> 05:11:16,999
ward in its evolved form. Therefore the policies welcome and

3083
05:11:17,039 --> 05:11:20,899
invite additions that are added in highly visible ways. But

3084
05:11:21,260 --> 05:11:24,759
in a matter that allows for the original building or

3085
05:11:24,780 --> 05:11:28,199
the older building, and its history of add - ons

3086
05:11:28,199 --> 05:11:32,683
to be visible. In contrast, the photo on the right

3087
05:11:33,024 --> 05:11:35,803
shows a former one - story building with full -

3088
05:11:35,803 --> 05:11:39,623
story edition added without any setback, which as you can

3089
05:11:39,623 --> 05:11:44,123
see distorts some of its original form, scale and understanding

3090
05:11:44,224 --> 05:11:47,243
as a historical piece of the district. And therefore this

3091
05:11:47,243 --> 05:11:53,158
kind of approach to an addition is discouraged. I now

3092
05:11:53,158 --> 05:11:56,278
want to walk through another sample policy, but this time

3093
05:11:56,379 --> 05:11:59,760
for non - contributing properties. So a key thing to

3094
05:11:59,800 --> 05:12:03,200
remember in a district is that it's concerned with guiding

3095
05:12:03,461 --> 05:12:08,160
change on heritage properties, but also ensuring that new buildings

3096
05:12:08,901 --> 05:12:12,560
add positively to the district and support its heritage values

3097
05:12:13,061 --> 05:12:17,120
and the objectives of the district itself. Chapter 11 of

3098
05:12:17,160 --> 05:12:21,658
The Plan presents policies. About how to introduce new buildings.

3099
05:12:22,607 --> 05:12:26,906
In terms of building location and orientation, for example, the

3100
05:12:27,167 --> 05:12:31,226
Planned Directs that new buildings shall have a varied street

3101
05:12:31,266 --> 05:12:36,429
wall rhythm. The plan again is not interested in uniform

3102
05:12:36,690 --> 05:12:42,663
setbacks and monotony. That is neither in the cultural DNA

3103
05:12:42,684 --> 05:12:46,983
of this neighbourhood, nor an objective of the district. Therefore,

3104
05:12:47,023 --> 05:12:50,663
the guidelines that support this policy advise property owners to

3105
05:12:50,684 --> 05:12:55,463
take cues from elsewhere in the district, embracing creativity, insight

3106
05:12:55,484 --> 05:13:04,110
- specific solutions, rather than matching existing adjacent properties. These

3107
05:13:04,150 --> 05:13:09,390
examples clarify the difference between requirements, i. e. policies that

3108
05:13:09,411 --> 05:13:13,616
are presented in the plan versus guidance. Those being the

3109
05:13:13,616 --> 05:13:17,296
suggestions that property owners are recommended to consider when planning

3110
05:13:17,637 --> 05:13:22,317
new buildings or alterations to existing ones. In summary, I

3111
05:13:22,338 --> 05:13:25,917
want to wrap up with five key highlights for property

3112
05:13:25,957 --> 05:13:31,277
owners, as it's so important to have clarity about implications,

3113
05:13:31,277 --> 05:13:34,157
for property owners as we move closer to possible implementation

3114
05:13:34,157 --> 05:13:38,184
of this plan. One, policies and guidelines of the plan

3115
05:13:38,365 --> 05:13:41,784
apply to building exteriors and the primary buildings on the

3116
05:13:42,205 --> 05:13:48,294
lot. Interiors are not impacted, neither are ancillary structures. Second,

3117
05:13:48,395 --> 05:13:52,054
the plan does not require that contributing properties be restored

3118
05:13:52,094 --> 05:13:56,454
to a previous period in time. Three, there are no

3119
05:13:56,494 --> 05:14:01,494
fees for Heritage Permit applications. For the policies and guidelines

3120
05:14:01,595 --> 05:14:05,494
presented in the plan, also work in coordination with existing

3121
05:14:05,835 --> 05:14:10,614
zoning bylaws and community planning permit systems. And finally, the

3122
05:14:10,635 --> 05:14:15,174
plan is premised on welcoming building adaptations and new buildings

3123
05:14:15,435 --> 05:14:18,614
and developments that are compatible with the area and fit

3124
05:14:18,635 --> 05:14:24,024
its context. Such new construction may also be subject to

3125
05:14:24,045 --> 05:14:28,264
other requirements such as site and area - specific policies,

3126
05:14:28,264 --> 05:14:35,343
secondary plans, and or urban design master plants. We're here

3127
05:14:35,343 --> 05:14:39,803
today sharing a complete draft of the HCD Plan. And

3128
05:14:39,803 --> 05:14:42,543
based on feedback received today and since the plan was

3129
05:14:42,564 --> 05:14:45,823
publicly released in June, our next steps will be to

3130
05:14:45,863 --> 05:14:49,743
update the plan with a targeted release of the final

3131
05:14:49,764 --> 05:14:52,703
plan in early August and with a formal recommendation to

3132
05:14:52,884 --> 05:14:59,772
Council for Approval in September. Thank you. Well, thank you

3133
05:14:59,812 --> 05:15:02,812
both very much. We do have one delegation I'd like

3134
05:15:02,812 --> 05:15:05,932
to go to Barbara Man right away, please, on this

3135
05:15:06,113 --> 05:15:09,372
topic. So, uh, we'll come back to staff in a

3136
05:15:09,372 --> 05:15:12,916
moment. Barbara Man is here on behalf of the Ward

3137
05:15:12,916 --> 05:15:16,756
Residence Association. And again, it's no more than 10 minutes.

3138
05:15:16,756 --> 05:15:18,916
Okay, there's a chime at the 9 minute 30 second

3139
05:15:18,956 --> 05:15:20,916
mark. I'll turn it over to you, Barbara. Thank you.

3140
05:15:20,937 --> 05:15:23,156
It'll be a lot less on that. Um, I just

3141
05:15:23,177 --> 05:15:25,876
wanted to tell you what we've heard from the residents

3142
05:15:25,876 --> 05:15:30,036
of this has been going on. Um, basically there's been

3143
05:15:30,217 --> 05:15:33,636
no full - on opposition at all. Uh, some people

3144
05:15:33,737 --> 05:15:36,196
have said they want to designate because they're actually afraid

3145
05:15:36,217 --> 05:15:39,236
of what could happen in the future. Uh, like Road

3146
05:15:39,337 --> 05:15:42,656
Widenings and things like that. Others have said that, uh,

3147
05:15:42,656 --> 05:15:46,916
they don't understand it completely. And they're afraid to designate.

3148
05:15:46,916 --> 05:15:48,996
But that last part, thank you, was really helpful. We'll

3149
05:15:49,017 --> 05:15:52,336
get that up on, uh, the website for them. Um,

3150
05:15:52,377 --> 05:15:55,396
and as an individual, I'm going to speak to that

3151
05:15:55,436 --> 05:15:57,636
as soon as Kilmore got hold of the wood site,

3152
05:15:57,636 --> 05:16:01,396
we wanted the ward to be a heritage district site.

3153
05:16:01,396 --> 05:16:03,396
So it's really exciting for me as an individual to

3154
05:16:03,417 --> 05:16:06,996
hear that this is a possibility coming now. So thank

3155
05:16:06,996 --> 05:16:09,156
you for all the hard work that you guys put

3156
05:16:09,196 --> 05:16:11,476
into that because we know it was a lot of

3157
05:16:11,737 --> 05:16:15,398
hard work. Thank you, Barbara. Is there any questions for

3158
05:16:15,579 --> 05:16:20,740
Barbara. There's 10 questions you got to come back. Notice,

3159
05:16:20,740 --> 05:16:23,860
okay. Okay. That's it. All right. Uh, is there anybody

3160
05:16:24,041 --> 05:16:26,820
else in the room that would like to speak to

3161
05:16:26,860 --> 05:16:32,193
this item. Okay, come on down, sir. Um, actually take

3162
05:16:32,233 --> 05:16:33,873
your time. I'm going to throw a phone number up

3163
05:16:33,913 --> 05:16:37,073
on the screen very quickly. Okay. So if anyone wants

3164
05:16:37,113 --> 05:16:39,873
to call in on this topic as well, it's 519

3165
05:16:40,774 --> 05:16:50,390
837 5603. Again, that's 519. 8375603. And as we hear

3166
05:16:50,390 --> 05:16:53,910
from Musa, we will also let our clerk see if

3167
05:16:53,910 --> 05:16:56,390
anyone calls in over the time limit for yourself as

3168
05:16:56,390 --> 05:16:58,950
well. Okay. So, uh, if you could just state your

3169
05:16:58,990 --> 05:17:01,270
name for the record, we'd appreciate it. Go right ahead.

3170
05:17:03,717 --> 05:17:07,696
Sure. Um, my name is Brian Lauder and I live.

3171
05:17:07,958 --> 05:17:11,297
And actually one of the weirdest streets in the ward.

3172
05:17:14,299 --> 05:17:18,998
Our street is very much, uh, mix up, I would

3173
05:17:18,998 --> 05:17:23,158
say a mash of different properties, which to me contributes

3174
05:17:23,198 --> 05:17:28,438
to the, I call it heterogeneous neighbourhood of quality of

3175
05:17:28,478 --> 05:17:32,853
the neighbourhood. I guess one of my, I think the

3176
05:17:32,853 --> 05:17:40,588
heritage, uh, proposed her designation district. Is an excellent idea.

3177
05:17:40,628 --> 05:17:46,188
I guess one question would be, um, Rebecca stated that

3178
05:17:47,329 --> 05:17:50,868
the plan is not going to require the ability to

3179
05:17:50,868 --> 05:17:55,148
be brought back to its appearance at a specific moment

3180
05:17:55,569 --> 05:18:01,468
in time. Although I believe when, um, Planners were looking

3181
05:18:01,489 --> 05:18:05,133
at contributing properties. They actually did do it in a

3182
05:18:05,133 --> 05:18:09,993
specific moment of time. Many of the properties in the

3183
05:18:10,194 --> 05:18:17,645
ward, for example, were corner stores. That have since been

3184
05:18:17,746 --> 05:18:25,805
converted to, uh, residential uses. So the corner stores are

3185
05:18:25,805 --> 05:18:31,026
sort of part of the original character of. The district.

3186
05:18:31,026 --> 05:18:38,786
And yet, their use is residential. Is there any encouragement?

3187
05:18:38,786 --> 05:18:41,666
I know it would probably have to go through a

3188
05:18:41,666 --> 05:18:43,506
Zoning by - law amendment, but is there any encouragement

3189
05:18:43,607 --> 05:18:48,626
in the plan for some of these original uses to

3190
05:18:48,647 --> 05:18:55,372
be brought back, so to speak. Yeah, that's, that's a

3191
05:18:55,412 --> 05:18:57,212
question that maybe one of us here could ask on

3192
05:18:57,252 --> 05:19:01,112
your behalf to staff once the delegations are done. You

3193
05:19:01,233 --> 05:19:03,772
do still have more time. If there you wanted to

3194
05:19:03,772 --> 05:19:08,480
add. I would just be filling up space. No, no

3195
05:19:08,520 --> 05:19:11,200
problem. Okay. I think I'm good. I mean, one of

3196
05:19:11,240 --> 05:19:15,760
my concerns was how much teeth is there in this,

3197
05:19:15,760 --> 05:19:18,620
uh, in the plan because I, I have seen, um,

3198
05:19:20,101 --> 05:19:22,400
I used to work for Planning Department myself. And I

3199
05:19:22,400 --> 05:19:28,240
used to see properties that had received heritage designations. And,

3200
05:19:28,240 --> 05:19:34,160
um, The Heritage Conservation Officer recommended preservation of the property,

3201
05:19:34,160 --> 05:19:38,880
but there was, uh, that planner had no means by

3202
05:19:38,901 --> 05:19:42,320
which they could say this does not comply. And so

3203
05:19:42,360 --> 05:19:47,272
the property would end up getting demolished. So I would

3204
05:19:47,373 --> 05:19:51,552
just hope that this plan would have some kind of

3205
05:19:51,693 --> 05:19:56,431
similar teeth. And I know Rebecca did mention it. That,

3206
05:19:56,431 --> 05:20:01,711
um, an application could be refused by staff or amendments

3207
05:20:01,812 --> 05:20:05,311
requested or appeal that could go to Council. I would

3208
05:20:05,351 --> 05:20:07,231
just want, I would just like to make sure that

3209
05:20:08,932 --> 05:20:11,231
there is a very clear process in place for that

3210
05:20:11,252 --> 05:20:15,365
to happen. Great. Yeah. I think maybe we'll ask that

3211
05:20:15,405 --> 05:20:17,685
on your behalf, those two things sort of the encouragement

3212
05:20:18,106 --> 05:20:22,325
incentive side and the, and the, you know, regulator teeth

3213
05:20:22,666 --> 05:20:26,165
side of, of it. We'll ask those for you. Yep.

3214
05:20:26,266 --> 05:20:28,885
Is there any other questions for the delegate while the,

3215
05:20:28,925 --> 05:20:32,444
while he's here. Uh, no, thank you very much for

3216
05:20:32,465 --> 05:20:37,164
coming forward. And while we were listening to him, is

3217
05:20:37,164 --> 05:20:41,045
there anybody that called in on this one. No. So

3218
05:20:41,045 --> 05:20:42,445
are you good? Do you want to wait another minute.

3219
05:20:43,618 --> 05:20:51,910
Or. Are you okay? Okay. All right. Perfect. So. My

3220
05:20:51,910 --> 05:20:56,686
whole time. I'll be kind of. Jumping. Sorry. No Barbara.

3221
05:20:56,686 --> 05:20:58,206
We just from our procedural by - law. We can't

3222
05:20:58,206 --> 05:21:00,606
go back and forth. I, it pains me to say

3223
05:21:00,606 --> 05:21:03,166
that. Um, but no, we can't go back and forth.

3224
05:21:03,166 --> 05:21:08,673
Okay. I'm sorry. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'll,

3225
05:21:08,673 --> 05:21:11,553
uh, I won't block them, I promise. So thank you.

3226
05:21:11,553 --> 05:21:14,673
Okay. Um, is there someone that would at least be

3227
05:21:14,713 --> 05:21:18,733
willing to move receipt Quran and Downer, okay, for, and

3228
05:21:18,733 --> 05:21:22,980
it is to receive. Now is there any questions of

3229
05:21:22,980 --> 05:21:25,140
staff, any comments you want to give to staff as

3230
05:21:25,180 --> 05:21:29,060
a takeaway. I'll start with, uh, Claussen and then Coron.

3231
05:21:32,865 --> 05:21:39,484
Yes. Good evening. Um, as your resident council ward weirdo,

3232
05:21:39,484 --> 05:21:42,444
um, I want, I just want to thank you. Also

3233
05:21:42,785 --> 05:21:46,044
the granddaughter of Proud Italian immigrants. So, um, I feel

3234
05:21:46,705 --> 05:21:50,604
excited to be receiving this, this today. Um, and the

3235
05:21:50,604 --> 05:21:53,964
thoughtful process that you have undertook. And before I ask

3236
05:21:54,004 --> 05:21:56,044
my question, I did want to read a very short

3237
05:21:56,065 --> 05:22:01,244
sentence from a resident who contacted me, um, and I

3238
05:22:01,244 --> 05:22:05,144
don't have it. Wait, sorry. I'm sorry. It's coming. But

3239
05:22:05,185 --> 05:22:08,024
basically it was, we should be proud and gualth. Um,

3240
05:22:08,065 --> 05:22:11,644
for the work that this team did on this report.

3241
05:22:11,644 --> 05:22:13,404
And so I just wanted to thank our staff for

3242
05:22:13,404 --> 05:22:15,964
this. It's not every day that we get thank you

3243
05:22:16,385 --> 05:22:20,364
from residents about the process. Um, and about the report.

3244
05:22:20,364 --> 05:22:23,004
And I just want to echo that residence sentiment as

3245
05:22:23,004 --> 05:22:28,124
well. Um, and so my question is, um, with regard

3246
05:22:28,164 --> 05:22:30,364
to, and I'm sorry if this was said and I

3247
05:22:30,364 --> 05:22:34,284
missed it. But I just didn't quite understand the ADU

3248
05:22:34,865 --> 05:22:38,364
not visible from the public right of way. Uh, if

3249
05:22:38,364 --> 05:22:40,524
you could just maybe paint a picture for me again,

3250
05:22:40,524 --> 05:22:50,504
I would appreciate that. Through

3251
05:22:50,504 --> 05:22:54,799
you, your worship. Um, at the moment, the draft plan,

3252
05:22:54,799 --> 05:23:02,879
um, uh, has policies to encourage and welcome the EUs

3253
05:23:02,879 --> 05:23:06,759
on contributing and non - contributing properties. And makes a

3254
05:23:06,759 --> 05:23:10,039
distinction at the moment that if it is visible from

3255
05:23:10,079 --> 05:23:14,199
the public right of way versus not visible, a different

3256
05:23:14,380 --> 05:23:19,879
permitting process proposed, that if it's not visible, then it

3257
05:23:19,879 --> 05:23:22,359
would be exempt. If it is visible, there would be

3258
05:23:22,460 --> 05:23:26,899
some permit, um, required to ensure that there is, um,

3259
05:23:27,660 --> 05:23:32,599
a compatible fit given its visibility. Um, I think we've

3260
05:23:32,599 --> 05:23:35,399
already heard some feedback on that topic since we've released

3261
05:23:35,420 --> 05:23:41,639
the draft plan that maybe that's something to think about

3262
05:23:41,900 --> 05:23:46,519
further. Um, about perhaps not having two different permitting streams

3263
05:23:46,780 --> 05:23:49,319
and not being too concerned about visibility from, from the

3264
05:23:49,359 --> 05:23:52,519
public right of way. So, um, right now there's a

3265
05:23:52,559 --> 05:23:55,319
distinction made, but I think that's something we're already looking

3266
05:23:55,319 --> 05:23:59,386
at. Does that help clarify. Yes. And I would appreciate

3267
05:23:59,407 --> 05:24:05,035
that clarity. Um, in the September report. And then do

3268
05:24:05,035 --> 05:24:08,757
have one more. With regard to the incentives coming back

3269
05:24:08,938 --> 05:24:12,197
in September. Could you just describe what the process will

3270
05:24:12,237 --> 05:24:18,757
be? Will the proposed incentives include, um, a budget? Be

3271
05:24:18,757 --> 05:24:23,117
subsequently integrated in the next budgeting process. What would be

3272
05:24:24,058 --> 05:24:29,884
process for that. Through the merit to Councillor Quest, and,

3273
05:24:29,884 --> 05:24:33,304
um, in September, it staff's intention to bring forward, uh,

3274
05:24:33,665 --> 05:24:37,484
heritage grant program proposal that we will seek your direction

3275
05:24:37,524 --> 05:24:40,524
to pursue and develop. So we will not be bringing

3276
05:24:40,785 --> 05:24:48,329
forward a specific budget request at that time. That wouldn't

3277
05:24:48,369 --> 05:24:54,305
occur until the next multi - year budget. Okay. Thank

3278
05:24:54,305 --> 05:25:03,128
you. So then that would be in 2027. Eight. 2028.

3279
05:25:03,128 --> 05:25:07,062
Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Quran. I think I had

3280
05:25:07,243 --> 05:25:10,532
next. And then I have Galler. Great. Thank you. The

3281
05:25:10,713 --> 05:25:12,852
body of work here is incredible and it's been a

3282
05:25:12,852 --> 05:25:15,412
long time coming. So thank you to staff. Thank you

3283
05:25:15,513 --> 05:25:19,332
to the whole team that put this plan together. One

3284
05:25:19,372 --> 05:25:22,852
of the things that is unique about this particular Heritage

3285
05:25:22,873 --> 05:25:28,212
Conservation District is the industrial and residential interface. And one

3286
05:25:28,212 --> 05:25:32,132
of the delegates asked about returning potential, you know, a

3287
05:25:32,132 --> 05:25:35,812
shoemaker shop into, back into a shoemaker shop and an

3288
05:25:35,812 --> 05:25:39,332
industrial and commercial uses being reintegrated into properties that have

3289
05:25:39,332 --> 05:25:41,892
been converted to residential. So I wonder if you could

3290
05:25:41,932 --> 05:25:45,332
speak to, you know, whether that is going to be

3291
05:25:45,513 --> 05:25:48,692
incorporated into the plan as a mixed use or a

3292
05:25:48,732 --> 05:25:52,132
zoning recommendation, uh, and then part two of that is

3293
05:25:52,313 --> 05:25:56,292
that industrial architectural form. I know often in Heritage Conservation

3294
05:25:56,393 --> 05:26:02,052
Districts, we're trying to identify a singular, uh, architectural form

3295
05:26:02,393 --> 05:26:07,972
like Victorian or, or Eduardian or, you know, Regency Cottage.

3296
05:26:07,972 --> 05:26:10,932
And in this neighbourhood, that's just impossible. But one of

3297
05:26:10,932 --> 05:26:13,412
the architectural forms that you've highlighted in many of the

3298
05:26:13,452 --> 05:26:16,112
examples that you've given is that kind of industrial, and

3299
05:26:16,112 --> 05:26:20,132
I even, I believe the Biltmore towns development, tried to

3300
05:26:20,132 --> 05:26:24,372
put an industrial design into the townhouses where the old

3301
05:26:24,393 --> 05:26:27,412
Biltmore hats was, which I thought was an homage to

3302
05:26:27,452 --> 05:26:34,052
that industrial form. So I wonder, the variety and diversity

3303
05:26:34,052 --> 05:26:37,812
of architectural forms that would be permitted, um, in terms

3304
05:26:37,812 --> 05:26:47,402
of new development. Through the merit to Councillor Quran. As

3305
05:26:47,442 --> 05:26:51,882
to your first question, the planning does not, uh, contradict

3306
05:26:52,383 --> 05:27:00,042
the Zoning bylaw. However, it encourages flexibility for, uh, zoning

3307
05:27:00,063 --> 05:27:05,002
Bylaw Amendments or variants requests in terms of commercial uses,

3308
05:27:05,002 --> 05:27:10,122
especially in historic commercial spaces. Uh, as mentioned, these exist

3309
05:27:10,543 --> 05:27:12,762
throughout the ward. And we wanted to create a plan

3310
05:27:12,783 --> 05:27:17,549
that would encourage that type of small business revitalization. Um,

3311
05:27:18,290 --> 05:27:24,429
as to your second question, the plan intentionally defines compatibility

3312
05:27:24,930 --> 05:27:29,469
broadly. We believe that in an applicant should be able,

3313
05:27:29,469 --> 05:27:32,269
uh, to be creative and how they believe that a

3314
05:27:32,309 --> 05:27:35,149
new development may fit into the neighbourhood. That's, that's why

3315
05:27:35,189 --> 05:27:39,229
we aren't too prescriptive with wanting new development to specifically

3316
05:27:39,410 --> 05:27:45,589
emulate industrial forms or certain materials. Um, we want to

3317
05:27:45,589 --> 05:27:49,469
look to proponents to tell us how a new development

3318
05:27:49,650 --> 05:27:54,822
may be compatible. And this isn't something that I want

3319
05:27:54,843 --> 05:27:56,822
to come back when we, when it comes back in

3320
05:27:56,862 --> 05:28:00,142
September, but it's more of a community buy - in

3321
05:28:00,203 --> 05:28:03,702
conversation because it's very clear in the plan that this

3322
05:28:03,723 --> 05:28:07,622
is not intended and turning the ward into a museum,

3323
05:28:07,622 --> 05:28:10,022
frozen in time. It is a planning tool to guide

3324
05:28:10,203 --> 05:28:14,439
change. Um, but I think that the community, and thankfully

3325
05:28:14,780 --> 05:28:18,759
we, we have enough experience now in Guelph and high

3326
05:28:18,799 --> 05:28:22,919
satisfaction rates with our very first Heritage Conservation District in

3327
05:28:22,940 --> 05:28:29,639
Brooklyn. I'm the College Hall. I believe it was very

3328
05:28:29,679 --> 05:28:35,719
satisfied with our first conservation district. So these, uh, these,

3329
05:28:35,719 --> 05:28:39,319
you know, the, um, the impression that its onerous or

3330
05:28:39,359 --> 05:28:41,239
that insurance will go up. I know you've done a

3331
05:28:41,239 --> 05:28:45,079
lot of work to make sure that those assumptions and

3332
05:28:45,180 --> 05:28:48,759
those stereotypes have broken down. And I know that's not

3333
05:28:48,860 --> 05:28:51,519
part of the conservation district tool, but I want to

3334
05:28:51,519 --> 05:28:54,999
give you an opportunity to speak to that because community

3335
05:28:55,340 --> 05:28:58,599
buy - in is something that's very important for this

3336
05:28:58,860 --> 05:29:01,239
plan to be successful. So if you could just take

3337
05:29:01,340 --> 05:29:06,919
a moment and talk about, um, satisfaction rates, um, the

3338
05:29:06,919 --> 05:29:11,719
insurance issue and reassuring the community that, um, that this

3339
05:29:11,759 --> 05:29:15,319
is not an ownerous, um, process that is trying to

3340
05:29:15,740 --> 05:29:24,844
freeze that district in time as a museum. Through the

3341
05:29:25,185 --> 05:29:28,284
mayor. Um, something we heard again and again from the

3342
05:29:28,324 --> 05:29:33,484
community was that yes, they really want the historic landscapes

3343
05:29:33,665 --> 05:29:36,844
and buildings protected, but they wanted also a high degree

3344
05:29:36,884 --> 05:29:41,804
of flexibility to make changes that sometimes might be kind

3345
05:29:41,804 --> 05:29:45,084
of creative and weird. And we, we didn't want to

3346
05:29:45,105 --> 05:29:49,484
stop that type of, um, artistic expression in the neighbourhood

3347
05:29:49,745 --> 05:29:53,644
that has existed for decades. Um, which is why we

3348
05:29:53,684 --> 05:29:57,464
aren't very prescriptive in the plan as well as, um,

3349
05:29:57,985 --> 05:30:01,244
the vast majority of alterations that a property owner might

3350
05:30:01,265 --> 05:30:06,024
make are actually exempt from the heritage permit process. Um,

3351
05:30:06,385 --> 05:30:10,742
we also have expanded. What permits our approvable at the

3352
05:30:10,782 --> 05:30:14,422
staff level so that heritage permits can be more expedient

3353
05:30:14,843 --> 05:30:17,542
than they have been historically. So we were really trying

3354
05:30:17,643 --> 05:30:22,422
to, uh, to streamline this plan as much as possible

3355
05:30:23,163 --> 05:30:25,462
and make sure that property owners had a high degree

3356
05:30:25,502 --> 05:30:29,362
of latitude to make changes to their properties. Also, uh,

3357
05:30:29,963 --> 05:30:32,262
making a plan that would be able to protect a

3358
05:30:32,262 --> 05:30:37,936
property if loss were contemplated. Um, as to the insurance

3359
05:30:37,976 --> 05:30:42,896
issue, we have included a statement on insurance, just outlining

3360
05:30:43,557 --> 05:30:47,056
that designation does not increase risk and that in the

3361
05:30:47,096 --> 05:30:50,656
case of four partial loss property does not have to

3362
05:30:50,656 --> 05:30:56,096
be reconstructed as it was. And so far this has

3363
05:30:56,197 --> 05:31:03,000
sufficed to help many property owners of designated properties. Fight

3364
05:31:03,040 --> 05:31:06,189
increased insurance. Thank you for that. And my final comment

3365
05:31:06,290 --> 05:31:08,989
is it's really nice to know that weird is welcome

3366
05:31:09,250 --> 05:31:14,023
in Ward West. Say that five times fast. And to

3367
05:31:14,023 --> 05:31:18,572
our weird Councillor over there. Thank you. All right. Thank

3368
05:31:18,673 --> 05:31:21,012
you. And I have Councillor Galler is my last. So

3369
05:31:21,012 --> 05:31:24,572
go ahead. Thank you. And through your worship to staff.

3370
05:31:24,572 --> 05:31:27,212
Thank you so much for all this work. Um, I

3371
05:31:27,553 --> 05:31:32,252
want to refer to the letter from a resident Robert

3372
05:31:32,353 --> 05:31:36,952
Cardoran who wrote he had a couple of concerns. Uh,

3373
05:31:37,313 --> 05:31:42,572
with regards to, to the policy, the discourages a full

3374
05:31:42,673 --> 05:31:46,252
story edition. Could you help me understand? As I walked

3375
05:31:46,292 --> 05:31:48,812
through the ward, I noticed a lot of additions, different

3376
05:31:48,913 --> 05:31:53,052
kinds and many are a second story additions. And I

3377
05:31:53,052 --> 05:31:57,212
really appreciate that there's an emphasis on accepting the weirdness

3378
05:31:57,633 --> 05:32:00,092
of the community. So Barbara, I feel that there's a

3379
05:32:00,092 --> 05:32:03,052
bit of a disconnect when we're saying we appreciate the

3380
05:32:03,052 --> 05:32:07,052
weirdness and the oddities, but we don't want any more

3381
05:32:07,092 --> 05:32:08,892
of that to happen. So could you help me understand

3382
05:32:09,393 --> 05:32:16,424
that restriction. Through the merit to Councillor Galwehr. I'll begin

3383
05:32:16,464 --> 05:32:18,824
to answer that and I may invite Rebecca to jump

3384
05:32:18,824 --> 05:32:26,642
in. Subordinate editions to Heritage Buildings is Heritage Conservation best

3385
05:32:26,682 --> 05:32:29,762
practice. However, we did not want to make that a

3386
05:32:29,762 --> 05:32:32,802
policy. Again, that is phrased. It's we use the word

3387
05:32:32,903 --> 05:32:36,642
should just as a general best practice for property owners

3388
05:32:36,682 --> 05:32:40,082
to consider. But it's not something that would be enforceable

3389
05:32:40,743 --> 05:32:44,562
in the plan. And additionally, I was really thankful for

3390
05:32:44,602 --> 05:32:47,922
that letter specifically. It's helpful when property owners come to

3391
05:32:47,922 --> 05:32:50,722
us with a specific project, um, because it lets us

3392
05:32:50,762 --> 05:32:54,222
think about how the plan may actually be applied. And

3393
05:32:54,222 --> 05:33:00,162
so we've been discussing expanding exemptions for ADUs and editions.

3394
05:33:00,162 --> 05:33:02,562
Um, just because of, if a property owner is retaining

3395
05:33:02,983 --> 05:33:07,202
a heritage building, uh, there are very few circumstances where

3396
05:33:07,303 --> 05:33:11,855
we might actually want to refuse a permit. For context

3397
05:33:12,276 --> 05:33:14,895
too. In my four years here as a heritage planner,

3398
05:33:14,895 --> 05:33:17,535
I have never once refused a heritage permit. We always

3399
05:33:17,575 --> 05:33:20,895
work with property owners to find a solution. That works

3400
05:33:20,895 --> 05:33:24,416
for both them and the Heritage property. Okay. That is

3401
05:33:24,437 --> 05:33:27,376
really reassuring. I really appreciate that. Uh, one of the

3402
05:33:27,376 --> 05:33:31,216
other comments on that letter refers to the tables where

3403
05:33:31,256 --> 05:33:34,016
it says minor or exempt. Will there be an opportunity

3404
05:33:34,056 --> 05:33:37,856
to include somewhere in the plan so that people know

3405
05:33:37,957 --> 05:33:40,656
whether they're looking at an exception or, or a minor.

3406
05:33:45,391 --> 05:33:50,490
Through the mayor, we included, uh, that minor or exempt

3407
05:33:50,511 --> 05:33:53,210
because we wanted again, flexibility in the plan, but we

3408
05:33:53,231 --> 05:33:55,770
recognise that that letter pointed out that that creates a

3409
05:33:55,770 --> 05:34:01,530
lack of clarity. And so we're discussing possibly expanding what

3410
05:34:01,570 --> 05:34:05,690
might be exempt in the plan. And we'll look to

3411
05:34:05,791 --> 05:34:07,690
include that in the plan that we bring forward in

3412
05:34:07,730 --> 05:34:11,097
September. Okay. I really appreciate that. Uh, and just to

3413
05:34:11,097 --> 05:34:13,657
follow up on some of the other comments about ADUs,

3414
05:34:13,758 --> 05:34:17,577
I think we, we hopefully we can allow them and

3415
05:34:17,577 --> 05:34:19,577
we can provide some guidelines of, you know, if you

3416
05:34:19,577 --> 05:34:22,377
do want to have a side jar ADU, you know,

3417
05:34:22,377 --> 05:34:23,897
these are some of the things that you should do.

3418
05:34:23,897 --> 05:34:26,954
So it fits in the neighbourhood. Thank you. Thank you,

3419
05:34:26,954 --> 05:34:31,804
worship. Thank you. And then, uh, Councillor Caten, please. Thank

3420
05:34:31,844 --> 05:34:34,844
you. Through you, Mr. Mayor, um, I really like it.

3421
05:34:34,884 --> 05:34:37,324
I agree with some of the comments about ADUs. I

3422
05:34:37,364 --> 05:34:39,884
also think that there's not a lot of lot sizes

3423
05:34:39,924 --> 05:34:43,704
that are quite big enough for extensive ADUs in the

3424
05:34:43,745 --> 05:34:47,164
ward. But I think it was a challenging ask because

3425
05:34:47,185 --> 05:34:52,764
the war doesn't really have a uniform heritage profile. It's,

3426
05:34:52,764 --> 05:34:54,924
um, it's more of a vibe. So I think that

3427
05:34:54,964 --> 05:34:58,024
you did a really good job in balancing that. And

3428
05:34:58,024 --> 05:35:04,258
I look forward to seeing the next iteration. Great. Thank

3429
05:35:04,258 --> 05:35:06,258
you. Is there anything else before I call the vote.

3430
05:35:08,052 --> 05:35:09,931
There's not, okay. So you just get a little bit

3431
05:35:09,931 --> 05:35:13,400
of questions from me. And then you'll get my opinions

3432
05:35:13,440 --> 05:35:20,063
based on your answers. Lucky you. Um, you mentioned the

3433
05:35:20,103 --> 05:35:27,628
street. Wall rhythm. Very unique. My concern about that.

3434
05:35:30,189 --> 05:35:31,908
And please correct me if I'm wrong. But the way

3435
05:35:31,908 --> 05:35:33,928
I heard you say it is that you are encouraging

3436
05:35:34,029 --> 05:35:37,131
that. But then you're going to have, you're going to

3437
05:35:37,131 --> 05:35:39,571
pick winners and losers then for who can build A

3438
05:35:39,571 --> 05:35:44,626
to use in their backyards. Because if you're pushing some

3439
05:35:44,647 --> 05:35:48,466
properties back, now you're restricting the ability for them to

3440
05:35:48,567 --> 05:35:52,754
potentially do a tiny home in their backyard. So I

3441
05:35:52,794 --> 05:35:57,207
just wondering how are you. Allowing someone to have their,

3442
05:35:57,207 --> 05:35:58,867
you know, theirs up front and then they have the

3443
05:35:58,867 --> 05:36:02,407
ability to have more units built. And then three houses

3444
05:36:02,407 --> 05:36:05,741
down because of the rhythm. And I'm a drummer. So

3445
05:36:05,741 --> 05:36:08,261
I love rhythm. So don't get me wrong. But now

3446
05:36:08,362 --> 05:36:10,181
that house might not have the room to be able

3447
05:36:10,181 --> 05:36:13,602
to build that ADU, how are you. Am I saying

3448
05:36:13,602 --> 05:36:17,863
that wrong. No, I'm not. Okay. Is that just a

3449
05:36:17,863 --> 05:36:23,380
takeaway for you to consider that? Three, well, to you,

3450
05:36:23,380 --> 05:36:28,900
Mr. Mayor, not for you. Um, um, the, they want

3451
05:36:29,081 --> 05:36:32,100
them. It really speaks to the different conditions that you

3452
05:36:32,140 --> 05:36:37,060
find across any given street. So it's once again in

3453
05:36:37,060 --> 05:36:43,220
that attempt to not encase restrictive setbacks to create a

3454
05:36:43,321 --> 05:36:47,820
uniform, more cookie cutter environment or a street scape. So

3455
05:36:47,961 --> 05:36:53,220
it respects the setbacks back and forth and it introduces

3456
05:36:53,321 --> 05:36:58,820
that rhythm. However, it's up to the proportion that comes

3457
05:36:58,841 --> 05:37:05,060
forward to put forward the design solution. So for example,

3458
05:37:05,481 --> 05:37:10,900
if it's not contributing, they may want to, um, push

3459
05:37:11,001 --> 05:37:14,020
forward the building in a way that, that also fits

3460
05:37:14,041 --> 05:37:16,500
the wall, but allows them to build in the back.

3461
05:37:16,500 --> 05:37:20,180
So it's, it's, it's, it's, it's an attempt to provide

3462
05:37:20,601 --> 05:37:26,420
that flexibility, but not prescribing a specific rhythm to a

3463
05:37:26,420 --> 05:37:29,144
particular lot. So you are the one that draws the

3464
05:37:29,565 --> 05:37:33,024
short straw and get bush into, into the back. So

3465
05:37:33,024 --> 05:37:36,024
it's, it's more of a principle on how you conserve

3466
05:37:36,125 --> 05:37:39,944
or preserve that, that rhythm in any given street scale.

3467
05:37:39,944 --> 05:37:43,384
Okay. You don't get everybody at the same closeness or

3468
05:37:43,384 --> 05:37:49,554
everywhere the same setback. So. Okay. Okay. Um, yeah, I

3469
05:37:49,554 --> 05:37:53,554
think you've answered that, that well for me. Um, to

3470
05:37:53,554 --> 05:37:56,834
give me some comfort there. Um, sorry Krista, did you

3471
05:37:56,834 --> 05:37:58,734
want to jump in as well? Yeah. Sorry. I was

3472
05:37:58,734 --> 05:38:01,954
just going to add Mr. Mayor that it is encouraged.

3473
05:38:01,954 --> 05:38:04,354
So certainly when an application came in on any development,

3474
05:38:04,354 --> 05:38:05,874
we would take a look at it and to see

3475
05:38:05,874 --> 05:38:08,354
if there is the lot depth for an ADU or

3476
05:38:08,354 --> 05:38:11,794
not. We obviously don't want to preclude that from happening.

3477
05:38:11,794 --> 05:38:13,954
So the way it is written is encouraged as well.

3478
05:38:14,535 --> 05:38:19,581
I appreciate that too. Okay. Thank you. Um, my next

3479
05:38:19,621 --> 05:38:25,939
question was just about, um. Contributing versus non contributing. So

3480
05:38:27,800 --> 05:38:30,179
please correct me again if I'm wrong. But if you

3481
05:38:30,200 --> 05:38:35,219
have a non contributing site and someone just wants to

3482
05:38:35,480 --> 05:38:39,475
build a brand new home there. It could be like,

3483
05:38:39,475 --> 05:38:42,915
it could be a modern looking home like in today's

3484
05:38:43,256 --> 05:38:45,475
modern design. They could just go ahead and do that.

3485
05:38:46,260 --> 05:38:51,366
Yes. I'm seeing shaking events. Okay. But I'm just setting

3486
05:38:51,406 --> 05:38:59,535
up my question. But if the neighbour. Has across the

3487
05:38:59,556 --> 05:39:03,295
street, let's say, no, let's say the neighbour is a

3488
05:39:03,335 --> 05:39:08,358
contributing piece of land or property. They would have to

3489
05:39:08,939 --> 05:39:14,364
adhere to all of these rules. So I'm a little

3490
05:39:14,364 --> 05:39:16,828
bit. It's feeling like a little bit of big government

3491
05:39:16,849 --> 05:39:20,628
to me. I like this. Don't get me wrong. Bye.

3492
05:39:21,421 --> 05:39:23,800
I don't like big government. So I've just, can you

3493
05:39:23,800 --> 05:39:28,380
help me feel a bit better about that. Through the

3494
05:39:28,380 --> 05:39:33,236
mayor, I can. So I'm just going to step back

3495
05:39:33,257 --> 05:39:36,116
to the first part of your question about non contributing

3496
05:39:36,217 --> 05:39:42,116
properties. So scenario, non contributing property proposes a new build.

3497
05:39:42,116 --> 05:39:45,316
A heritage permit would be required for that new build.

3498
05:39:46,405 --> 05:39:51,964
And the policies that are presented in the plan, um,

3499
05:39:53,765 --> 05:39:57,535
are quite broad in nature. And don't say that it

3500
05:39:57,535 --> 05:40:00,935
needs to, you know, conform to a certain style. It

3501
05:40:00,935 --> 05:40:03,375
doesn't need to look old, but it does need to

3502
05:40:04,356 --> 05:40:08,255
respond to the context in which it's fit. So there

3503
05:40:08,295 --> 05:40:12,495
is a process for non - contributing properties. Um, there's

3504
05:40:12,756 --> 05:40:17,535
a chapter, um, chapter 11 in the plan provides all

3505
05:40:17,575 --> 05:40:20,495
of that guidance for how do you do new good

3506
05:40:20,535 --> 05:40:24,495
development that fits well in the ward. And then chapter

3507
05:40:24,516 --> 05:40:28,975
10 is how do you keep on adapting the existing

3508
05:40:29,236 --> 05:40:33,295
heritage buildings contributing properties in the ward? So there are

3509
05:40:34,196 --> 05:40:37,595
two kind of frameworks in place within the plan. Um,

3510
05:40:37,796 --> 05:40:47,399
both are very flexible. And, um, permissive in their structure.

3511
05:40:47,399 --> 05:40:52,759
So it's not heavy handed. Um, and it's and it

3512
05:40:52,799 --> 05:40:55,239
cuts both ways. So it's, so it's not like just

3513
05:40:55,260 --> 05:40:56,919
because you have an old building. You're the only one

3514
05:40:56,919 --> 05:40:58,839
that has to follow some roles. The whole idea here

3515
05:40:58,860 --> 05:41:04,439
is everyone needs to be, um, adapting and shaping and

3516
05:41:04,479 --> 05:41:06,919
introducing new development in a way that fits with this

3517
05:41:06,919 --> 05:41:12,199
place and keeps, keeps it weird. Um, so I'll leave

3518
05:41:12,199 --> 05:41:16,005
it there. Hope that helps clarify. No, you're, you are.

3519
05:41:16,005 --> 05:41:18,645
You're helping me. I'm open - minded. It's good. Yeah.

3520
05:41:18,685 --> 05:41:22,405
Um, so I guess where I'm a little, I'm just

3521
05:41:22,405 --> 05:41:24,085
still having a little bit of friction on this and

3522
05:41:24,125 --> 05:41:26,245
a Councillor Galler with us talking kind of brought it

3523
05:41:26,245 --> 05:41:30,805
up a little bit is that the nine contributing light

3524
05:41:31,146 --> 05:41:35,045
or house can sort of be somewhat flexible and weird

3525
05:41:35,226 --> 05:41:40,308
and have two stories. But the contributing one isn't allowed

3526
05:41:40,348 --> 05:41:43,428
to have a second story. Well, I'm sorry. I exaggerated

3527
05:41:43,468 --> 05:41:47,588
that. It can't have the like you're going to push

3528
05:41:47,628 --> 05:41:50,628
back on a second story like that. Not that it's

3529
05:41:50,668 --> 05:41:53,888
not allowed. But you're going to push back. So, you

3530
05:41:53,888 --> 05:41:56,308
know, I'm trying to be fair about those that are

3531
05:41:56,308 --> 05:41:58,508
there and those that are coming. That's just a comment.

3532
05:41:58,508 --> 05:42:00,148
You could just take that away as you, this is

3533
05:42:00,148 --> 05:42:02,748
a draft. So you're, you're here to listen to comments.

3534
05:42:02,748 --> 05:42:06,588
So that's fine. Uh, my last comment on a takeaway

3535
05:42:07,169 --> 05:42:09,868
is on the ADUs that you can see from the

3536
05:42:09,908 --> 05:42:15,988
street. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I don't want you. I

3537
05:42:15,988 --> 05:42:19,073
don't want government to be involved in that. Okay. So

3538
05:42:19,334 --> 05:42:23,631
that's just my opinion on that. I do not want

3539
05:42:23,732 --> 05:42:25,471
government to be involved in that at all. If someone

3540
05:42:25,511 --> 05:42:27,631
is building an ADU in their backyard and it's going

3541
05:42:27,631 --> 05:42:29,871
to look a little bit different, like just let them

3542
05:42:29,911 --> 05:42:32,591
build the ADU. I don't want to add more costs

3543
05:42:33,172 --> 05:42:35,471
to those that are, that are doing that. The front

3544
05:42:35,572 --> 05:42:39,611
facing, like the primary property, I totally understand that. But

3545
05:42:39,611 --> 05:42:40,911
they're building something new in the backyard. Just let them

3546
05:42:40,911 --> 05:42:42,671
build something new in the back here. I want more

3547
05:42:42,711 --> 05:42:44,671
housing. I don't want, I don't want that. That's just

3548
05:42:44,671 --> 05:42:47,531
my opinion on that. Okay. Um, and then finally, I'm

3549
05:42:47,531 --> 05:42:50,991
really glad Councillor Crohn brought up sort of the percentages

3550
05:42:50,991 --> 05:42:53,951
of like, uh, you know, people are satisfied with sort

3551
05:42:53,951 --> 05:42:56,031
of how heritage districts are going and stuff like that.

3552
05:42:56,031 --> 05:42:58,751
I've referenced that before in the past too. Um, can

3553
05:42:58,791 --> 05:43:01,351
I just ask from a process point of view? Is

3554
05:43:01,412 --> 05:43:04,991
there actually like an exit interview from people that are

3555
05:43:05,092 --> 05:43:08,991
interacting with our planning staff and our heritage staff in

3556
05:43:09,031 --> 05:43:12,911
regards, uh, to this that will be captured for this

3557
05:43:12,911 --> 05:43:16,219
one if it's approved. To add to what's being captured

3558
05:43:16,480 --> 05:43:18,619
in the other ones so that we're going to get

3559
05:43:18,619 --> 05:43:21,819
more data about sort of satisfaction rate and what, what's

3560
05:43:21,819 --> 05:43:28,527
working well and what's not. To the mayor. Um, that

3561
05:43:28,527 --> 05:43:32,207
satisfaction survey, that was a council direction when Brooklyn and

3562
05:43:32,207 --> 05:43:35,947
College Hall was designated that we do that. And, uh,

3563
05:43:36,228 --> 05:43:38,527
that's something we can take away and look at doing

3564
05:43:38,868 --> 05:43:42,127
again now that we have two more new heritage districts

3565
05:43:42,548 --> 05:43:44,847
and possibly a third that would be a useful exercise.

3566
05:43:46,195 --> 05:43:49,854
I would appreciate that. Um, not that it matters for

3567
05:43:49,854 --> 05:43:52,734
me anymore, but for whoever the next term council is,

3568
05:43:52,755 --> 05:43:55,354
they, they, they I'm sure they would appreciate that. And

3569
05:43:55,354 --> 05:43:57,054
to be honest with you, it's good for us to

3570
05:43:57,054 --> 05:43:59,374
hear. It's good for the public to hear. But I

3571
05:43:59,374 --> 05:44:00,974
think it's good for you to hear. I think it's

3572
05:44:00,974 --> 05:44:02,894
good for staff to hear. Like what, what is our

3573
05:44:02,915 --> 05:44:05,934
interaction with the public working well, not working well from

3574
05:44:05,934 --> 05:44:08,494
our customer service point of view? That's good data and

3575
05:44:08,494 --> 05:44:10,254
good feedback for you just as much as it is

3576
05:44:10,595 --> 05:44:13,614
for council and for the public too. Right. So, okay.

3577
05:44:13,654 --> 05:44:17,454
Other than that, my only comment as a now not

3578
05:44:17,494 --> 05:44:21,694
questionable comment is one of the things, and I hope

3579
05:44:21,795 --> 05:44:25,054
I'm not going to get in control here, but like

3580
05:44:25,075 --> 05:44:28,254
I'm talking like 30 years ago or whatever, more than

3581
05:44:28,294 --> 05:44:31,934
that. There was like, I apologise if it was just

3582
05:44:31,934 --> 05:44:33,694
who I was growing up with. Like there was like

3583
05:44:33,694 --> 05:44:36,254
a stigma about the ward. Like, Oh, you lived in

3584
05:44:36,254 --> 05:44:38,894
the ward. You lived in that area of the city.

3585
05:44:39,627 --> 05:44:43,206
Now when I talk to people nowadays, it's like I

3586
05:44:43,307 --> 05:44:46,584
got a place in the ward. Like no, it's totally

3587
05:44:46,845 --> 05:44:51,224
changed. Uh, 100 percentage complete 180 from the way it

3588
05:44:51,264 --> 05:44:53,224
used to kind of be talked about to the way.

3589
05:44:53,224 --> 05:44:56,664
So I totally understand why we want to do the

3590
05:44:56,704 --> 05:45:00,584
things that you've captured here very well might I add.

3591
05:45:00,584 --> 05:45:04,824
And so it is a, it is really like one

3592
05:45:04,824 --> 05:45:07,304
of the places in Guelph. It truly is. And so

3593
05:45:07,405 --> 05:45:09,944
keeping that character and that heritage, I'm fully for that

3594
05:45:10,525 --> 05:45:12,644
as long as sort of the, the big brother, big

3595
05:45:12,644 --> 05:45:15,704
government thing doesn't go too much, which I think you're

3596
05:45:15,744 --> 05:45:17,704
taking away as a comment. And we'll see how it

3597
05:45:17,704 --> 05:45:20,904
comes back. So I appreciate my, my final comments on

3598
05:45:20,944 --> 05:45:23,464
my opinions on that. I did see another hand go

3599
05:45:23,464 --> 05:45:26,104
up here though as a final comment. Okay. Councillor Galler

3600
05:45:26,144 --> 05:45:27,784
and then I'm going to call the vote. Thank you

3601
05:45:27,965 --> 05:45:30,584
through worship. Just going back to the delegate. I wanted

3602
05:45:30,605 --> 05:45:32,664
to take a moment to ask, will there be an

3603
05:45:32,664 --> 05:45:35,544
opportunity to encourage corner stores and those sort of small

3604
05:45:35,544 --> 05:45:38,024
businesses to come back as part of this? Or would

3605
05:45:38,064 --> 05:45:44,613
that be discouraged through this plan. Through the mayor to

3606
05:45:44,634 --> 05:45:49,093
Councillor Goaler? There are some policies in the plan present

3607
05:45:49,133 --> 05:45:55,813
that speak to particularly in certain locations, uh, bringing that

3608
05:45:56,314 --> 05:46:00,213
those, those historical uses back, um, at the same time

3609
05:46:01,114 --> 05:46:05,973
there are also policies that provide flexibility that the kind

3610
05:46:05,973 --> 05:46:09,093
of the history of conversions of going from residential to

3611
05:46:09,133 --> 05:46:13,813
commercial or back again is very much welcomed. So not

3612
05:46:13,914 --> 05:46:17,973
requiring it, but creating space for it is, is there?

3613
05:46:18,154 --> 05:46:20,853
Perfect. Thank you so much. Thank you, worship. Thank you.

3614
05:46:20,853 --> 05:46:23,053
And you know what you reminded me and Council, we

3615
05:46:23,053 --> 05:46:25,013
kind of made a nod to the delegate that came

3616
05:46:25,013 --> 05:46:27,373
up and I didn't, no one asked the question. So

3617
05:46:27,373 --> 05:46:29,173
I'm going to ask. We've talked a little bit about

3618
05:46:29,213 --> 05:46:32,293
the incentives. It's coming in September, things like that that

3619
05:46:32,314 --> 05:46:34,933
we'll talk about. You ask that question about budget, things

3620
05:46:34,933 --> 05:46:37,173
like that. But the other part of that gentleman's question

3621
05:46:37,213 --> 05:46:40,613
was about the teeth, the regulatory role, like how, how

3622
05:46:40,874 --> 05:46:43,333
can, can you just answer that question publicly before I

3623
05:46:43,373 --> 05:46:48,256
call the vote? Through the mirror. So this is like

3624
05:46:48,357 --> 05:46:51,536
the heritage conservation district that is not a Zoning by

3625
05:46:51,557 --> 05:46:53,776
law emendment. So I want to make that clear is

3626
05:46:53,776 --> 05:46:56,176
part of our OP work that we're doing. So we

3627
05:46:56,176 --> 05:46:58,256
brought phase one forward, the second phase is the employment

3628
05:46:58,517 --> 05:47:01,376
lands, the third face will include the commercial land use

3629
05:47:01,397 --> 05:47:04,522
analysis as well. But that's a couple of years out.

3630
05:47:07,026 --> 05:47:10,045
Okay. Let me rephrase the question. I believe the delegate

3631
05:47:10,045 --> 05:47:15,165
was asking about sort of the teeth, the regulatory framework

3632
05:47:15,266 --> 05:47:21,005
for making sure things are actually being followed through on

3633
05:47:21,266 --> 05:47:28,239
within the plan. So there's something that is there. Within

3634
05:47:28,239 --> 05:47:31,439
the plan that gives more authority to see things through

3635
05:47:31,940 --> 05:47:35,039
that need to be. There's a lot of shall or

3636
05:47:35,039 --> 05:47:38,239
a lot of encouragement wording. But are there things that

3637
05:47:38,980 --> 05:47:42,479
are going to protect, I think is where the delegate

3638
05:47:42,479 --> 05:47:48,813
was going. To the mayor, um, as, as we've mentioned,

3639
05:47:48,813 --> 05:47:51,133
we wanted to give a lot of flexibility to the

3640
05:47:51,154 --> 05:47:55,533
plan, but it is worded in such a way that

3641
05:47:55,573 --> 05:47:58,573
we will be able to prevent loss if it is

3642
05:47:58,594 --> 05:48:02,253
proposed. So we would be able to deny a demolition

3643
05:48:02,274 --> 05:48:05,853
application for a significant heritage building where that to come

3644
05:48:05,874 --> 05:48:09,841
forward. I think we just need to capture that just

3645
05:48:09,942 --> 05:48:16,428
for the delegate. So. Yeah. Okay. That's it. Then we're

3646
05:48:16,529 --> 05:48:19,388
going to look to a vote now of council to

3647
05:48:19,489 --> 05:48:22,508
receive. And thank you for listening to all the feedback.

3648
05:48:22,508 --> 05:48:27,470
Appreciate it. Uh, is there anybody against. Nobody that's unanimous.

3649
05:48:27,470 --> 05:48:30,030
So thank you again for your work. Okay. Moving right

3650
05:48:30,051 --> 05:48:37,012
along. We are at. The Guelph growth management monitoring report.

3651
05:48:47,592 --> 05:48:52,206
And then after that. Is our last one. The proposed

3652
05:48:52,246 --> 05:48:59,718
urban design master plan. So. For this, we have a

3653
05:48:59,739 --> 05:49:06,585
presentation from our staff from Jason. And then just a

3654
05:49:06,625 --> 05:49:10,745
recommendation to receive as well. Okay. So, uh, thank you

3655
05:49:10,846 --> 05:49:12,905
and welcome Jason. I'll turn it over to you for

3656
05:49:12,905 --> 05:49:13,625
whenever you're ready. Okay.

3657
05:49:24,772 --> 05:49:27,711
Good evening Mayor Guthrie and members of Council. Tonight I'll

3658
05:49:27,751 --> 05:49:29,711
be taking you through a brief presentation of some of

3659
05:49:29,711 --> 05:49:32,831
the highlights of the Guelph growth management monitor part for

3660
05:49:32,871 --> 05:49:36,666
2025. And while the City's growth management strategy, uh, is

3661
05:49:36,706 --> 05:49:39,466
to the year 2051. In the interest of time this

3662
05:49:39,506 --> 05:49:43,066
evening. I promise my presentation will be finished well before

3663
05:49:43,247 --> 05:49:47,500
then. Before I begin, I wanted to highlight that there

3664
05:49:47,521 --> 05:49:49,260
has been a change in the scope of the report

3665
05:49:49,281 --> 05:49:51,868
this year. The Affordable Housing Monitoring that used to be

3666
05:49:51,908 --> 05:49:54,188
part of this report is now provided as a separate

3667
05:49:54,228 --> 05:49:58,028
information report that was released last week titled The Housing

3668
05:49:58,068 --> 05:50:03,645
Affordability Strategy, first annual implementation and monitoring report. That report

3669
05:50:03,666 --> 05:50:06,445
now tracks the City's progress towards a 30 actions of

3670
05:50:06,445 --> 05:50:10,685
the housing affordability strategy adopted on December 10 of 2024.

3671
05:50:11,461 --> 05:50:13,520
And it also set the Affordable Housing thresholds for the

3672
05:50:13,541 --> 05:50:14,080
coming year.

3673
05:50:26,285 --> 05:50:30,384
So. My apologies. The purpose of this report is to

3674
05:50:30,384 --> 05:50:33,584
provide information on Gulph's progress towards achievement of official plan

3675
05:50:33,685 --> 05:50:38,464
and provincial policies. Progress towards provincial housing, the Provincial Housing

3676
05:50:38,504 --> 05:50:42,384
Pledge of 18, 000 new homes by 2031 information on

3677
05:50:42,405 --> 05:50:45,024
recent development activity and the City Supply of Approved Housing.

3678
05:50:46,203 --> 05:50:48,182
This report will also highlight some of the steps we've

3679
05:50:48,203 --> 05:50:51,462
taken as a City to help increase that supply despite

3680
05:50:51,502 --> 05:50:57,536
the challenging housing market. To begin, I'd like to start

3681
05:50:58,197 --> 05:51:00,896
by explaining the City's growth management framework has shown on

3682
05:51:00,896 --> 05:51:04,256
its schedule 1A of the official Plan shown here. The

3683
05:51:04,296 --> 05:51:06,656
Cities official plan sets policies and targets for growth and

3684
05:51:06,656 --> 05:51:09,216
development for specific areas of the City that are identified

3685
05:51:09,237 --> 05:51:12,416
on this schedule. This includes the intensification targets for the

3686
05:51:12,437 --> 05:51:15,776
built - up area, density targets for the designated greenfield

3687
05:51:15,797 --> 05:51:20,736
area, downtown, also referred to as our protected major transition

3688
05:51:20,837 --> 05:51:24,416
area towards the centre of the schedule and strategic growth

3689
05:51:24,416 --> 05:51:27,598
areas. And through this presentation, I'll be highlighting some of

3690
05:51:27,598 --> 05:51:32,752
our progress towards achievement of those targets. Now by the

3691
05:51:32,752 --> 05:51:36,592
end of 2025, Gulf was home to an estimated 150,

3692
05:51:37,093 --> 05:51:41,792
700 people and 87, 550 jobs reflecting an annual growth

3693
05:51:41,832 --> 05:51:46,768
of approximately 1, 100 people and 550 jobs. Now should

3694
05:51:46,768 --> 05:51:49,648
be noted that this population estimate is reported as a

3695
05:51:49,688 --> 05:51:52,928
census equivalent population, which does exclude those people that were

3696
05:51:53,029 --> 05:51:55,568
missed during the census. But when factoring it in those

3697
05:51:55,568 --> 05:52:01,248
people, uh, are estimated population is about 155, 750 people.

3698
05:52:03,050 --> 05:52:04,869
Who also official plan is planning to achieve a population

3699
05:52:04,909 --> 05:52:08,869
of 208, 000 people and 116, 000 jobs by 2051

3700
05:52:09,370 --> 05:52:11,909
and to achieve those forecasts. We need to continue to

3701
05:52:11,949 --> 05:52:15,349
plan to accommodate additional 52, 000 people and 28, 000

3702
05:52:15,370 --> 05:52:18,764
jobs. In the official plan also sets a target of

3703
05:52:18,865 --> 05:52:22,124
57 jobs for 100 residents and we are currently aligned

3704
05:52:22,145 --> 05:52:27,429
with that target. In this slide shows the breakdown of

3705
05:52:27,429 --> 05:52:29,909
the number of new residential units created each year over

3706
05:52:29,909 --> 05:52:34,354
the past 20 years by dwelling type. In 2025 through

3707
05:52:34,455 --> 05:52:38,914
building permits, we allowed for the construction of 664 new

3708
05:52:38,935 --> 05:52:42,274
housing units, which is below the 20 year average and

3709
05:52:42,314 --> 05:52:45,634
also our target of 947 units per year to achieve

3710
05:52:45,655 --> 05:52:51,988
our population forecast in 2051. Townhouses led, um, as the

3711
05:52:51,988 --> 05:52:55,108
dominant type of housing with 47 percent of the total

3712
05:52:55,129 --> 05:52:58,628
units created last year followed by additional residential units at

3713
05:52:58,809 --> 05:53:03,588
39 percent. The slower than expected housing construction activities result

3714
05:53:03,628 --> 05:53:05,748
of challenges that are currently being faced by the housing

3715
05:53:05,769 --> 05:53:10,210
market across a country. But most notably in Ontario. These

3716
05:53:10,250 --> 05:53:13,730
challenges include higher construction costs ongoing supply chain and skilled

3717
05:53:13,730 --> 05:53:19,010
labour shortages. The Canada U. S. trade conflict, weaker employment.

3718
05:53:19,010 --> 05:53:22,050
And for the first time ever last year, Canada lost

3719
05:53:22,090 --> 05:53:25,090
population since its confederation due to the tightening immigration at

3720
05:53:25,351 --> 05:53:32,337
the federal government level. Interest rates have also begun easing

3721
05:53:32,337 --> 05:53:35,457
from their peak in 2023, but new home prices continue

3722
05:53:35,457 --> 05:53:38,497
to remain higher than resale prices driving down the demand

3723
05:53:38,537 --> 05:53:41,905
for new homes. Now, despite these challenges that a moderated

3724
05:53:41,905 --> 05:53:44,385
growth in the short term, the longer term trend does

3725
05:53:44,406 --> 05:53:48,145
remain positive. And since adopting the City's growth management strategy

3726
05:53:48,185 --> 05:53:52,145
in 2022, Guelph has delivered housing growth within 130 units

3727
05:53:52,166 --> 05:53:55,105
of that forecast to date. And we do remain on

3728
05:53:55,926 --> 05:54:02,436
pace to achieve our 2051 population target. In 2025, Guelph

3729
05:54:02,476 --> 05:54:06,676
exceeded its intensification target of 46 percent of all new

3730
05:54:06,676 --> 05:54:10,032
residential growth occurring within the built - up area. We're

3731
05:54:10,133 --> 05:54:13,632
also meeting our greenfield area density targets of 68 residents

3732
05:54:13,632 --> 05:54:18,752
and jobs for Hector. Uh, density of 74 residency jobs

3733
05:54:18,792 --> 05:54:23,466
per hectare. An increase from 73 in 2024. And over

3734
05:54:23,466 --> 05:54:25,946
the past few years, we've seen both residential and job

3735
05:54:25,986 --> 05:54:29,446
growth within several of our, uh, strategic growth areas. And

3736
05:54:29,446 --> 05:54:31,706
we do remain on track to achieve those density targets

3737
05:54:31,746 --> 05:54:35,386
as well. And each of the city's 13 strategic growth

3738
05:54:35,386 --> 05:54:37,946
areas do have individual targets and more information on that

3739
05:54:38,127 --> 05:54:40,426
can be found in section 4. 4 of attachment 1

3740
05:54:40,927 --> 05:54:45,147
to the report. And while the issued residential permits that

3741
05:54:45,187 --> 05:54:50,427
we saw on the previous slide indicate planned housing activity,

3742
05:54:50,528 --> 05:54:53,467
housing starts provide a measure of projects that are actively

3743
05:54:53,568 --> 05:54:57,829
moving forward to construction. Those issued residential permits turn into

3744
05:54:57,850 --> 05:55:03,003
housing starts once construction on those units do begin. Last

3745
05:55:03,104 --> 05:55:07,643
year, Guelph saw 531 housing starts. And this represents 29

3746
05:55:07,664 --> 05:55:10,923
and a half percent of our provincial housing target of

3747
05:55:11,344 --> 05:55:16,290
1800 housing starts for 2025. Now through recent provincial legislative

3748
05:55:16,311 --> 05:55:20,110
changes on how development charges are collected by municipalities, the

3749
05:55:20,110 --> 05:55:22,130
province is now tied some of that lost revenue to

3750
05:55:22,551 --> 05:55:29,730
housing start performance. The municipalities who achieve a minimum through

3751
05:55:29,730 --> 05:55:35,570
the Ontario building faster fund. Now, eligibility for Gulf, sorry,

3752
05:55:35,671 --> 05:55:39,010
eligibility for Guelph to be to achieve this funding would

3753
05:55:39,050 --> 05:55:44,231
have required 1, 440 housing starts. And that is a

3754
05:55:44,271 --> 05:55:47,751
level that's nearly 100 units above the highest annual total

3755
05:55:47,852 --> 05:55:52,886
achieved engulfed over the past 20 years. And given current

3756
05:55:52,926 --> 05:55:55,446
The Housing Marketing conditions, achieving this target is even more

3757
05:55:55,547 --> 05:55:59,718
challenging right now. Furthermore, a municipalities do have limited control

3758
05:56:00,059 --> 05:56:03,478
over when approved developments proceed to construction after building permits

3759
05:56:03,518 --> 05:56:06,830
have been issued. And as I said, this slowdown isn't

3760
05:56:06,931 --> 05:56:10,970
unique to Guelph. Housing starts are down across Ontario. And

3761
05:56:10,970 --> 05:56:13,230
even the province in its budget has lowered its forecast

3762
05:56:13,270 --> 05:56:15,210
for housing starts for the second year in a row.

3763
05:56:16,251 --> 05:56:18,150
And by the end of last year, the province had

3764
05:56:18,190 --> 05:56:21,030
also begun describing its goal of creating 1. 5 million

3765
05:56:21,131 --> 05:56:25,986
homes by 231 as a soft target. However, the housing

3766
05:56:26,007 --> 05:56:29,746
targets and funding framework for municipalities under the Ontario Building

3767
05:56:30,007 --> 05:56:37,927
Faster Fund do remain unchanged. Moving on to the city's

3768
05:56:37,967 --> 05:56:41,367
downtown. It is currently achieving a density of 96 residents

3769
05:56:41,468 --> 05:56:45,107
and jobs per Hector up from 95 in 2024. And

3770
05:56:45,107 --> 05:56:47,127
this does represent a slight decrease from the peak of

3771
05:56:47,468 --> 05:56:51,839
105 in 2023. And this decline was due to the

3772
05:56:51,940 --> 05:56:56,479
cooperator's moving approximately 1, 200 employees to their headquarters in

3773
05:56:56,479 --> 05:56:58,479
the Han Quick Business Park in the fall of 2024.

3774
05:56:59,290 --> 05:57:01,189
Now it is anticipated the portion of these jobs will

3775
05:57:01,189 --> 05:57:04,629
return when Conneswell College does move their satellite campus into

3776
05:57:04,669 --> 05:57:07,429
the building. However, that project has also been placed on

3777
05:57:07,429 --> 05:57:10,389
hold until student enrollment numbers were able to sustain the

3778
05:57:10,429 --> 05:57:16,034
operational success of the satellite campus. And our downtown is

3779
05:57:16,375 --> 05:57:18,994
targeted to achieve a density of 150 residents and jobs

3780
05:57:19,034 --> 05:57:24,194
per hectare by 2031, 175 by 2041 and 200 by

3781
05:57:24,375 --> 05:57:28,834
2051. Now just to put this into perspective, uh, recently

3782
05:57:29,415 --> 05:57:32,274
24 story mixed use building was approved at 70 fountain

3783
05:57:32,314 --> 05:57:35,154
street east. And if we build an additional 10 to

3784
05:57:35,194 --> 05:57:39,274
12 of those, uh, within our downtown, uh, prior to

3785
05:57:39,495 --> 05:57:46,523
2051, the downtown density target could be meant. Respect to

3786
05:57:46,563 --> 05:57:50,603
our overall housing supply. Guelph is meeting provincial policies required,

3787
05:57:50,603 --> 05:57:53,003
which require a minimum of three years of housing supply

3788
05:57:53,003 --> 05:57:55,563
on lands that are zoned with adequate servicing available for

3789
05:57:55,603 --> 05:57:58,683
development. And we term this Guelph's short - term housing

3790
05:57:58,723 --> 05:58:03,706
supply. In 2025, we added more than 1, 300 units

3791
05:58:03,706 --> 05:58:06,346
to our short term housing supply, increasing that supply of

3792
05:58:06,367 --> 05:58:09,866
homes to 7. 7 years up from 6. 4 years

3793
05:58:10,047 --> 05:58:13,663
in 2024. And our lands that are designated for residential

3794
05:58:13,684 --> 05:58:16,943
development, we have an additional 18. 3 years worth of

3795
05:58:16,983 --> 05:58:21,183
housing for combined total of 26 years of housing supply,

3796
05:58:21,183 --> 05:58:23,343
where a minimum of 15 years is required under provincial

3797
05:58:23,383 --> 05:58:28,010
policy. The City's expanding housing supply reflects continued progress towards

3798
05:58:28,111 --> 05:58:30,890
advancing development approvals to better position the city to become

3799
05:58:31,311 --> 05:58:34,010
housing ready for when that housing market does begin to

3800
05:58:34,031 --> 05:58:37,580
recover. And we've also made efforts to increase the supply

3801
05:58:37,580 --> 05:58:40,700
of housing that are ready to proceed to building permit.

3802
05:58:40,700 --> 05:58:45,980
And last year, that was 647, 645 units, which is

3803
05:58:45,980 --> 05:58:49,660
an 85 percent increase over the 325 units in 2024.

3804
05:58:51,813 --> 05:58:53,552
However, should be noted that some of our current housing

3805
05:58:53,592 --> 05:58:59,849
supply is constrained by additional. However, it should be noted

3806
05:58:59,849 --> 05:59:01,849
that some of the current housing supply is constrained by

3807
05:59:01,889 --> 05:59:04,729
additional development conditions and is not quite ready to proceed

3808
05:59:04,830 --> 05:59:10,465
to building permit. Some of the lands that do contribute

3809
05:59:10,465 --> 05:59:13,505
to Gulf Storm Housing supply do have development constraints such

3810
05:59:13,545 --> 05:59:18,536
as Brownfield remediation requirements. Requirements for records of site condition,

3811
05:59:18,536 --> 05:59:20,616
or zoning holding provisions, all of which must be addressed

3812
05:59:20,717 --> 05:59:23,976
prior to construction beginning. And in many cases, the timing

3813
05:59:24,637 --> 05:59:27,236
of meeting these conditions is under the control of the

3814
05:59:27,236 --> 05:59:32,931
developer or home builder. Overall, approximately 30 percent of Gulfshort

3815
05:59:32,971 --> 05:59:35,331
Term Housing Supplier subject to these conditions to be met

3816
05:59:35,432 --> 05:59:41,411
prior to construction of the site, representing about 2, 166

3817
05:59:41,451 --> 05:59:45,945
units. And the local development community is also identified that

3818
05:59:46,046 --> 05:59:49,625
approximately 600 units are also affected by factors and constraints

3819
05:59:49,646 --> 05:59:52,785
that are not within provincial or municipal control, such as

3820
05:59:52,785 --> 05:59:57,225
issues around land consolidation, utility easements, financing challenges, and matters

3821
05:59:57,225 --> 06:00:00,179
of private litigation. All of which would contribute to delays

3822
06:00:00,200 --> 06:00:06,140
construction of the site. And just for context, here is

3823
06:00:06,140 --> 06:00:10,140
a map that highlights the sites that contribute to Guelph's

3824
06:00:10,180 --> 06:00:12,460
housing supply. And red is the short - term housing

3825
06:00:12,500 --> 06:00:15,660
supply and in yellow is the designated sites for residential

3826
06:00:15,681 --> 06:00:19,420
development, most of which do exist within our secondary planarians.

3827
06:00:22,277 --> 06:00:25,696
Now look at how our existing housing stock breaks down.

3828
06:00:25,696 --> 06:00:28,176
The majority of the units in Guelph are low density

3829
06:00:28,277 --> 06:00:31,774
single detached and semi - detached units. A shift in

3830
06:00:31,774 --> 06:00:34,654
the demand for different forms of housing, uh, resulting from

3831
06:00:34,915 --> 06:00:38,894
decreased housing affordability, combined with policies that promote transit supportive

3832
06:00:38,934 --> 06:00:41,774
densities and complete communities. It was resulting in a shift

3833
06:00:41,814 --> 06:00:44,654
towards the approval and construction of more townhouses and apartments.

3834
06:00:49,214 --> 06:00:51,273
And as more medium and high - density housing is

3835
06:00:51,273 --> 06:00:53,993
approved and built, the City's housing stock is expected to

3836
06:00:54,014 --> 06:00:56,633
continue to shift, offering a wider range of housing choices

3837
06:00:56,734 --> 06:01:00,453
to serve the needs of current and future residents. And

3838
06:01:00,494 --> 06:01:03,433
by 2051, it's anticipated that 38 percent of the cities

3839
06:01:03,614 --> 06:01:05,753
housing stock will be in the form of low density

3840
06:01:05,774 --> 06:01:10,520
housing. So as we all know, it's been a challenging

3841
06:01:10,541 --> 06:01:13,000
couple of years in the housing market, both here and

3842
06:01:13,040 --> 06:01:15,320
across the country, especially when it comes to new housing

3843
06:01:15,341 --> 06:01:18,554
construction. But the City has stayed focused on, uh, what

3844
06:01:18,655 --> 06:01:21,594
is within our control to help encourage new development and

3845
06:01:21,634 --> 06:01:24,154
position growth to be ready for residential growth for when

3846
06:01:24,194 --> 06:01:28,078
demand for new housing returns. Despite these challenges, the city

3847
06:01:28,099 --> 06:01:31,678
continues to meet key official plan and provincial requirements on

3848
06:01:31,718 --> 06:01:35,476
growth. The City has advanced a range of policy and

3849
06:01:35,497 --> 06:01:39,316
process improvements to increase development potential, such as through the

3850
06:01:39,337 --> 06:01:42,596
downtown Height Study that now allows up to 24 story

3851
06:01:42,636 --> 06:01:45,876
buildings downtown. And the Cindy does continue to increase efforts

3852
06:01:45,876 --> 06:01:50,676
to streamlined approvals of development applications. We've also made strategic

3853
06:01:51,257 --> 06:01:54,676
infrastructure investments to increase service and capacity to enable future

3854
06:01:54,676 --> 06:01:58,036
residential development. And the City has worked to remove infrastructure

3855
06:01:58,137 --> 06:02:00,116
barriers to growth, all aimed at make it easier for

3856
06:02:00,217 --> 06:02:03,716
development to proceed. The result is a stronger and more

3857
06:02:03,737 --> 06:02:07,796
resilient housing supply. And through the continued efforts to advance

3858
06:02:07,897 --> 06:02:11,316
approvals of development applications, the City has increased its short

3859
06:02:11,316 --> 06:02:13,876
- term housing supply. And by additional 20 percent in

3860
06:02:13,876 --> 06:02:17,316
just one year. And increase the number of units ready

3861
06:02:17,356 --> 06:02:21,396
to proceed to building permit by 85 percent. These actions

3862
06:02:21,417 --> 06:02:24,596
have made Guelphore housing ready and puts a seating a

3863
06:02:24,596 --> 06:02:27,076
good position to support new housing construction when that market

3864
06:02:27,097 --> 06:02:33,572
does recover. Now, looking at the focus will be turning

3865
06:02:33,612 --> 06:02:37,252
the groundwork we've laid to improve our housing supply and

3866
06:02:37,273 --> 06:02:40,372
turning that into actual homes, uh, by helping those units

3867
06:02:40,393 --> 06:02:43,652
move from approval through to construction as market conditions improve.

3868
06:02:44,854 --> 06:02:47,953
We'll continue our ongoing monitoring and development activity and continue

3869
06:02:48,294 --> 06:02:50,753
to improve our processes so that approvals can stay as

3870
06:02:50,793 --> 06:02:54,717
efficient and predictable as possible. We will also continue investing

3871
06:02:54,757 --> 06:02:58,077
in the infrastructure needed to unlock growth, especially across our

3872
06:02:58,098 --> 06:03:02,637
strategic growth areas, downtown within our designated greenfield lands and

3873
06:03:02,637 --> 06:03:07,133
within our secondary plan areas. With provincial legislative changes that

3874
06:03:07,634 --> 06:03:09,933
have now changed how on Tinicipality is able to collect

3875
06:03:10,114 --> 06:03:13,693
municipal development charges, the City will continue to advocate to

3876
06:03:13,693 --> 06:03:16,093
other levels of government for the funding and tools that

3877
06:03:16,274 --> 06:03:18,893
will enable more housing so that Guelph continues to remain

3878
06:03:19,074 --> 06:03:21,533
on track to meet its growth and housing targets through

3879
06:03:21,714 --> 06:03:24,493
2051 and meet the needs of current and future residents.

3880
06:03:26,230 --> 06:03:29,469
And over the past two years, staff's advocacy work, uh,

3881
06:03:29,590 --> 06:03:32,449
has resulted in the city being awarded 83 million dollars

3882
06:03:32,630 --> 06:03:35,169
in provincial and federal grant money to help reduce those

3883
06:03:35,270 --> 06:03:40,129
infrastructure barriers, support growth and infrastructure renewal and ensure that

3884
06:03:40,230 --> 06:03:44,331
service delivery does keep pace with population growth. With these

3885
06:03:44,371 --> 06:03:46,651
priorities in place, they will continue to share that Guelph's

3886
06:03:46,651 --> 06:03:48,891
well - positioned to respond quickly as that housing market

3887
06:03:48,992 --> 06:03:54,437
does recover. And this concludes the presentation of the highlights

3888
06:03:54,437 --> 06:03:58,277
of the Guelph Management Monetary Report for 2025. Thank you.

3889
06:03:59,098 --> 06:04:04,597
Yeah, thanks Jason. Uh, yeah, your presentation's great. Um, thank

3890
06:04:04,637 --> 06:04:09,797
you very, very much. Um, is there any questions and

3891
06:04:09,837 --> 06:04:12,437
or comments just at the same time? I'll start with,

3892
06:04:12,437 --> 06:04:18,653
uh, Councillor Alta C Councillor Galler and then Downer. And

3893
06:04:18,653 --> 06:04:23,213
then Coron. Okay. Thank you very much, Mayor Guthrie, through

3894
06:04:23,213 --> 06:04:27,684
you to staff. Um. I hope that this question doesn't,

3895
06:04:27,684 --> 06:04:33,030
uh, appear too cynical. Um. With the statement that we

3896
06:04:33,291 --> 06:04:38,470
are housing ready, are we more housing ready than other

3897
06:04:38,891 --> 06:04:43,830
jurisdictions, less housing ready or equally housing ready? Because I

3898
06:04:43,851 --> 06:04:49,910
see us potentially competing for the same purchasers and equally

3899
06:04:50,171 --> 06:04:54,310
for the, uh, the same construction, uh, workers to actually

3900
06:04:54,891 --> 06:04:57,990
build these houses. So I'm wondering if, if we're doing

3901
06:04:58,030 --> 06:05:00,630
a lot of work just to stay where we are,

3902
06:05:00,630 --> 06:05:04,470
proportionate relative to, uh, other, uh, municipalities in Ontario.

3903
06:05:12,248 --> 06:05:16,831
Through the mirror that take councillor alt. Certainly through the

3904
06:05:16,871 --> 06:05:20,111
housing pledge, we committed to be housing ready and doing

3905
06:05:20,151 --> 06:05:22,831
what we could within our control to be ready for

3906
06:05:23,012 --> 06:05:26,591
housing. And we've been working diligently on that. They have

3907
06:05:26,591 --> 06:05:31,871
funding program also, um, allowed us to advance policies the

3908
06:05:31,871 --> 06:05:36,031
four units as of right. The CPPS, uh, Council did

3909
06:05:36,071 --> 06:05:38,271
hear earlier this week. We signed off on our first

3910
06:05:38,311 --> 06:05:42,646
CPPS, which was, uh, again, being housing ready. Um, all

3911
06:05:42,686 --> 06:05:46,246
municipalities are working a lot. Anyone who received half funding.

3912
06:05:46,246 --> 06:05:48,406
We generally have the same type of initiatives. We're working

3913
06:05:48,406 --> 06:05:52,486
on. So, um, I think we're keeping, keeping in step

3914
06:05:52,507 --> 06:05:55,446
with our neighbour, Ms. Pelleties to ensure we have, have

3915
06:05:55,486 --> 06:05:59,766
everything ready. Uh, we're planning our infrastructure dollars where we

3916
06:05:59,766 --> 06:06:04,806
see development happening, uh, Wellington Street opening up. And that

3917
06:06:04,806 --> 06:06:08,246
work that was done last year, um, allows development kind

3918
06:06:08,246 --> 06:06:10,166
of south of the tracks to proceed. So it allows

3919
06:06:10,187 --> 06:06:13,126
that 70 fountain to proceed. So we've been making strategic

3920
06:06:13,147 --> 06:06:18,886
choices on where we're, we're being housing ready. Um, we,

3921
06:06:18,886 --> 06:06:21,126
you know, every, every municipality is doing what they can

3922
06:06:21,227 --> 06:06:24,966
to attract, uh, attract individuals to, to come to their

3923
06:06:24,987 --> 06:06:28,486
cities, uh, with the numbers we have and the increases

3924
06:06:28,507 --> 06:06:30,726
we have in our short term housing supply and our

3925
06:06:30,726 --> 06:06:32,486
policy work. I think we're in great position for that.

3926
06:06:33,546 --> 06:06:36,565
And, and thank you very much for that answer. I

3927
06:06:36,666 --> 06:06:40,405
certainly do appreciate the work that staff has done with

3928
06:06:40,405 --> 06:06:45,525
a very challenging public policy approach from the provincial government.

3929
06:06:45,525 --> 06:06:47,925
But I don't want to be too cynical. I certainly

3930
06:06:47,925 --> 06:06:50,045
don't want to be too Pollyanna. I just want to

3931
06:06:50,045 --> 06:06:53,525
be realistic. And what I'm hearing is, um, we're running

3932
06:06:53,786 --> 06:07:00,253
as fast as we can. Great. Thank you, Councillor Alt.

3933
06:07:00,253 --> 06:07:06,315
Um, Galler. And then, uh, Coran and then Downer. And

3934
06:07:06,315 --> 06:07:11,951
then Cossa. Thank you through your worship. Uh, thank you

3935
06:07:11,991 --> 06:07:14,351
very much for the presentation. It's really helpful to have

3936
06:07:14,372 --> 06:07:16,751
this data in front of us. Uh, I wanted to

3937
06:07:16,751 --> 06:07:19,631
ask about the employment forecast. I see that for the

3938
06:07:19,631 --> 06:07:23,711
population. We're on track, but for the employment, it's listed

3939
06:07:23,812 --> 06:07:26,991
as, um, working to improve. I believe there has been

3940
06:07:26,991 --> 06:07:29,391
a significant shift in the last few years to more

3941
06:07:29,412 --> 06:07:32,911
work from home and more. So how is that taken

3942
06:07:32,951 --> 06:07:35,791
into account? Because as we saw in the presentation earlier

3943
06:07:35,831 --> 06:07:39,791
today now a big manufacturing facility that might have employed

3944
06:07:40,372 --> 06:07:44,191
two or 300 people could now have a dozen employees

3945
06:07:44,231 --> 06:07:47,711
that are supervising robots to do that work. So how

3946
06:07:47,751 --> 06:07:51,871
are we shifting that expectation of implement unemployment lands to

3947
06:07:51,972 --> 06:08:00,364
employment elsewhere. Through the Mayor to Councillor Galler, uh, work

3948
06:08:00,404 --> 06:08:05,964
from home is considered still employment. Um, and we're actually,

3949
06:08:05,964 --> 06:08:09,244
uh, undertaking, uh, an update to our employment land strategy

3950
06:08:09,825 --> 06:08:13,884
to look at the changing landscape post COVID, uh, where

3951
06:08:13,884 --> 06:08:16,604
there is more work from home. There's more work that

3952
06:08:16,705 --> 06:08:20,204
doesn't have a standard workplace where people go to delivery

3953
06:08:20,244 --> 06:08:23,484
drivers and whatnot. The gig economy as well. They're all

3954
06:08:23,484 --> 06:08:25,564
still jobs. And we're trying to get a good handle

3955
06:08:25,985 --> 06:08:30,444
on how that will impact our employment forecast. And we

3956
06:08:30,465 --> 06:08:35,004
will pivot from there, definitely. Okay. I really appreciate that.

3957
06:08:35,004 --> 06:08:37,964
Cause I know many traits people that now they'll meet

3958
06:08:38,004 --> 06:08:39,884
in someone's garage in the morning and then their trucks

3959
06:08:39,884 --> 06:08:42,044
go out and they're doing the work within the residential

3960
06:08:42,084 --> 06:08:46,964
areas, but they no longer require that warehouse facility. Or

3961
06:08:46,964 --> 06:08:49,084
so I, it's good to know that there is an

3962
06:08:49,124 --> 06:08:53,324
update coming on that. Um, my, my other question was

3963
06:08:53,985 --> 06:08:59,624
to, to the degree that the downtown infrastructure improvements, uh,

3964
06:08:59,905 --> 06:09:03,484
once they're unlocked, how soon do we expect to catch

3965
06:09:03,505 --> 06:09:08,364
up to, to, um, growth forecast? Do we expect that

3966
06:09:09,345 --> 06:09:11,884
once the pipes are underground, it would be like that

3967
06:09:11,924 --> 06:09:16,844
year. We might see enough builds too or not approvals

3968
06:09:17,585 --> 06:09:21,324
to meet the provincial requirements. Is that when we might

3969
06:09:21,324 --> 06:09:28,806
see it. Through you, Mayor again, to Councillor Galler. Most

3970
06:09:28,806 --> 06:09:33,046
of the larger developments within downtown Gwealth have been constrained

3971
06:09:33,067 --> 06:09:37,926
by, uh, servicing capacity, uh, and we do have approvals

3972
06:09:38,107 --> 06:09:41,606
on several sites that actually do have Zoning holding provisions,

3973
06:09:41,606 --> 06:09:45,766
uh, that require us to ensure that there is servicing,

3974
06:09:45,766 --> 06:09:50,254
uh, adequate servicing available. Um, once the infrastructure does go

3975
06:09:50,275 --> 06:09:52,974
in, it's expected that we'll be able to lift all

3976
06:09:52,974 --> 06:09:56,174
of those, uh, holding provisions across downtown. And then those

3977
06:09:56,214 --> 06:09:59,854
developments will be able to, uh, proceed. 70 fountain street

3978
06:09:59,894 --> 06:10:04,014
yeast is actually they're holding provision just got lifted. Yeah.

3979
06:10:04,035 --> 06:10:08,014
I just got left. Um, and we expect more, more,

3980
06:10:08,014 --> 06:10:10,494
uh, to be lifted shortly as well. Okay. Thank you

3981
06:10:10,534 --> 06:10:13,614
for that. And so that I understand does account towards

3982
06:10:13,654 --> 06:10:16,654
the provincial targets when we live to restrictions or when

3983
06:10:16,675 --> 06:10:21,427
that shovels go on the ground. Patient. Yeah. That's correct.

3984
06:10:22,035 --> 06:10:27,410
Okay. Okay. So, so it's when the foundations are, are

3985
06:10:27,450 --> 06:10:30,850
poor. When the, it's generally when the building permit is

3986
06:10:30,890 --> 06:10:34,584
issued and then construction does begin on the site. Okay.

3987
06:10:35,245 --> 06:10:37,944
Okay. Okay. So, so it can't just be that the

3988
06:10:37,984 --> 06:10:40,984
city approves the development, but then the private sector has

3989
06:10:41,024 --> 06:10:43,624
to have their, their own work done. Okay. Thank you

3990
06:10:43,664 --> 06:10:49,622
for that. Thank you, worship. Yeah. I'm just going to

3991
06:10:49,622 --> 06:10:56,188
jump in. Okay. They count by the foundations port. And

3992
06:10:56,228 --> 06:11:00,876
actually that's through CMEC that does the numbers. I think

3993
06:11:00,897 --> 06:11:03,186
sends it down to the province. And then that's how

3994
06:11:03,207 --> 06:11:06,865
things are kind of determined. And that's why every municipality

3995
06:11:06,966 --> 06:11:11,085
everywhere has been saying, well, we could approve 5, 000

3996
06:11:11,085 --> 06:11:15,483
homes. But they're not built. And the foundation is important.

3997
06:11:15,483 --> 06:11:20,753
Then we get penalized. That's not fair. Right. Anyways, I'll

3998
06:11:20,753 --> 06:11:26,266
get to that later. Just a little, little taste of

3999
06:11:26,287 --> 06:11:30,802
what I'm going to say. Councillor Corona's next. I can

4000
06:11:30,842 --> 06:11:33,522
feel the emotion in your voice, Mayor Guthrie and my,

4001
06:11:33,562 --> 06:11:35,842
my questions have been answered, but my comment was very

4002
06:11:35,863 --> 06:11:40,882
similar to yours in that, um, the complexities of the

4003
06:11:40,983 --> 06:11:44,162
reason why concrete isn't being poured in shovels aren't in

4004
06:11:44,162 --> 06:11:49,202
the ground. And cranes aren't in the sky is massive.

4005
06:11:49,202 --> 06:11:51,842
And you've outlined a lot of those reasons. And I

4006
06:11:51,842 --> 06:11:54,082
think, you know, from people that I've talked to over

4007
06:11:54,103 --> 06:11:58,322
the last little while, the primary reason that I'm hearing

4008
06:11:58,343 --> 06:12:02,482
is instability. So not just in commodities and steel and

4009
06:12:02,522 --> 06:12:05,842
concrete, um, but the market and the interest rates and

4010
06:12:05,842 --> 06:12:09,762
the buyers and the, and the market costs. So you've

4011
06:12:09,802 --> 06:12:12,402
outlined a lot of the reasons. And that, that's really

4012
06:12:12,583 --> 06:12:18,242
helpful for us to, as policy makers, uh, to know

4013
06:12:18,282 --> 06:12:23,146
that we're doing everything we can. Uh, and, um, what's

4014
06:12:23,146 --> 06:12:25,306
out of our hands and what is in our hands.

4015
06:12:25,831 --> 06:12:31,316
Is very different. Great. Thank you Councillor Karan and to

4016
06:12:31,356 --> 06:12:35,525
downer, please. Thank you through you, Mr. Mayor. I just

4017
06:12:35,546 --> 06:12:38,325
wanted to, um, I just ditto to what others are

4018
06:12:38,365 --> 06:12:42,485
saying. I really enjoy reading these reports every year. There's

4019
06:12:42,525 --> 06:12:48,405
often really interesting information about trends and things like that,

4020
06:12:48,405 --> 06:12:54,165
you know, and what's being, um, impacting growth here on

4021
06:12:54,186 --> 06:12:56,645
a sort of a, but on a macro level and

4022
06:12:56,645 --> 06:12:59,985
how authentic comes down to us. Um, one of the

4023
06:12:59,985 --> 06:13:03,045
things I just wanted to be, uh, I think I

4024
06:13:03,045 --> 06:13:06,165
know the answer to this, but the university, like they're

4025
06:13:06,165 --> 06:13:12,405
building those units on college. They don't require, uh, a

4026
06:13:12,405 --> 06:13:16,245
site plan, but they do require building permits. I'm assuming.

4027
06:13:16,245 --> 06:13:18,085
So does that, will that get be put into the

4028
06:13:18,106 --> 06:13:23,845
next year's, um, update at that time. So is that,

4029
06:13:23,845 --> 06:13:26,565
so does the university development start playing out into these

4030
06:13:26,826 --> 06:13:33,768
reports. Too. Through the mayor to Councillor Downer, I may

4031
06:13:33,768 --> 06:13:36,408
have to defer to Christopher this one, but it would

4032
06:13:36,408 --> 06:13:43,048
depend on, um, how the structural makeup of the units,

4033
06:13:43,048 --> 06:13:48,088
if they're, it needs to be a kitchen, uh, needs

4034
06:13:48,128 --> 06:13:51,028
to have, uh, a bathroom to be considered unit. And

4035
06:13:51,028 --> 06:13:55,575
I'm not sure if there's communal bathrooms there. I may

4036
06:13:55,575 --> 06:13:58,295
have to defer to Krista. I haven't seen the actual

4037
06:13:58,335 --> 06:14:02,583
interior plans for that yet. Yeah. Through the Mayor to

4038
06:14:02,583 --> 06:14:05,783
Council Downer. So, um, the one build in particular would

4039
06:14:05,823 --> 06:14:09,783
not be counted as units. Um, but the province is

4040
06:14:09,823 --> 06:14:13,303
also recording now student beds as part of the Bill

4041
06:14:13,343 --> 06:14:16,263
Better Faster Fund. So they include long - term care

4042
06:14:16,303 --> 06:14:19,683
facilities and student beds. So some of the projects, the

4043
06:14:19,683 --> 06:14:23,143
private projects that are geared towards students, uh, are self

4044
06:14:23,164 --> 06:14:26,323
- contained units. And they would count as units. Um,

4045
06:14:27,244 --> 06:14:30,423
the one in particular on college and Montgomery that's coming

4046
06:14:30,444 --> 06:14:34,583
forward, would most likely not, but they are also keeping

4047
06:14:34,924 --> 06:14:38,423
a separate sheet on student beds. And that would count

4048
06:14:38,463 --> 06:14:41,783
toward the Bill Better Faster Fund and, you know, the

4049
06:14:41,783 --> 06:14:43,463
mayor certainly talked about that a little bit, but the

4050
06:14:43,463 --> 06:14:46,903
way they calculate, like the foundation start part. Plus the

4051
06:14:46,924 --> 06:14:49,543
ADUs. You have to pull a bunch of information for

4052
06:14:49,724 --> 06:14:55,001
different spreadsheets to get our starts every year. Okay. Great.

4053
06:14:55,001 --> 06:14:59,241
Thanks. The next question may not be through the planning

4054
06:14:59,241 --> 06:15:03,561
staff. It might be with the CAO baker, but we're

4055
06:15:03,601 --> 06:15:06,521
sort of ready for when the market changes, uh, through

4056
06:15:06,542 --> 06:15:11,623
all the building and our plans for infrastructure. But how,

4057
06:15:11,644 --> 06:15:16,163
how will we, um, the financially ready for this, for

4058
06:15:16,163 --> 06:15:20,423
anyone, the market changes. Because as we know, at one

4059
06:15:20,423 --> 06:15:22,743
point, a couple of years ago, growth was paying for

4060
06:15:22,783 --> 06:15:25,703
itself at a point of about 80 percent and now

4061
06:15:25,884 --> 06:15:29,703
is probably down well below 70 percent. So that means

4062
06:15:29,743 --> 06:15:35,623
that existing, uh, residents pick up the cost of infrastructure.

4063
06:15:35,623 --> 06:15:38,983
Um, and, and other capital costs. I'm not talking about

4064
06:15:39,324 --> 06:15:43,063
operating, but that again, but buying buses and all of

4065
06:15:43,063 --> 06:15:47,143
those things are part of that. So how are we,

4066
06:15:47,143 --> 06:15:50,183
how, how are we planning to be ready financially for

4067
06:15:50,183 --> 06:15:52,803
when the uptick in the market? And then there's, and

4068
06:15:52,803 --> 06:15:55,783
we could see, you know, while we're at 0. 7

4069
06:15:55,804 --> 06:15:58,023
or 9 now in growth, we could suddenly go to

4070
06:15:58,124 --> 06:16:04,020
1. 5 again. Um, yeah, so thanks for the question

4071
06:16:04,921 --> 06:16:08,020
and through the mayor to Councillor Downer. I feel like

4072
06:16:08,361 --> 06:16:12,340
right now we're going through our low, like our lowest

4073
06:16:12,380 --> 06:16:15,300
of the low, um, in terms of our revenue and

4074
06:16:15,321 --> 06:16:20,180
they impact financially. Um, we've deferred significant capital. We continue

4075
06:16:20,201 --> 06:16:23,380
to look at that as we look into 2027, 28

4076
06:16:23,801 --> 06:16:28,420
to, to help us manage through these reduced revenue periods.

4077
06:16:28,420 --> 06:16:32,740
Um, we definitely continue to work with planning on this

4078
06:16:33,001 --> 06:16:38,100
pipeline and really try to anticipate revenue projections tied right

4079
06:16:38,121 --> 06:16:40,260
to develop it now. Like where we're getting to like

4080
06:16:40,281 --> 06:16:45,300
a very granular level of planning because of the financial,

4081
06:16:45,300 --> 06:16:48,980
um, situation. And so, um, the team continues to work

4082
06:16:48,980 --> 06:16:52,260
on that. If we do get the, when the, when

4083
06:16:52,300 --> 06:16:54,580
the shovels go in the ground, the building permits get

4084
06:16:54,620 --> 06:16:57,780
pulled. That's great news for us. That is one The

4085
06:16:57,820 --> 06:17:02,100
revenues rebound. That's when we can start to really feel,

4086
06:17:02,100 --> 06:17:08,060
um, more stability. And our, our revenue projections starting to

4087
06:17:08,060 --> 06:17:10,580
return to where we expect them to be, um, I

4088
06:17:10,580 --> 06:17:13,700
think the longer term, just with what the province has

4089
06:17:13,740 --> 06:17:17,220
been doing to development charges, I think we do need

4090
06:17:17,241 --> 06:17:20,660
to expect that over the long term here, this trend

4091
06:17:20,841 --> 06:17:26,800
of, um, reduced DCs. It is going to continue. Um,

4092
06:17:26,800 --> 06:17:30,340
and that, and that those, uh, pressures are going to

4093
06:17:30,441 --> 06:17:33,600
be on our taxes and our rates long term. And

4094
06:17:33,600 --> 06:17:37,700
then we're, we're, we've been building those costs. And now

4095
06:17:37,700 --> 06:17:39,780
over the last couple of years, just with the changing

4096
06:17:39,801 --> 06:17:42,740
legislation, but I, I fully expect that those are going

4097
06:17:42,740 --> 06:17:45,780
to, those are going to continue to be real pressures.

4098
06:17:45,780 --> 06:17:48,100
They have to be, uh, picked up in, in our

4099
06:17:48,681 --> 06:17:53,780
tax and rate budgets unless the upper levels of government

4100
06:17:53,881 --> 06:17:56,260
come to the table, which, which I, you know, we're

4101
06:17:56,260 --> 06:17:59,920
advocating for all the time. So I hope that, uh,

4102
06:18:01,161 --> 06:18:05,610
helps answer that question. Great. Thank you, Councillor. And now

4103
06:18:05,650 --> 06:18:11,006
I have lasses Claussin. Yes. Thank you through you, Mr.

4104
06:18:11,046 --> 06:18:13,966
Mayor. Thank you for the presentation. Um, I had a

4105
06:18:13,966 --> 06:18:19,877
quick question about the Conestoga College satellite campus downtown. I

4106
06:18:19,898 --> 06:18:22,117
was here a few years ago when we made it

4107
06:18:22,218 --> 06:18:26,677
an announcement in, in the atrium about, about the Conestoga

4108
06:18:26,717 --> 06:18:28,917
College coming downtown. And it was really exciting at the

4109
06:18:28,917 --> 06:18:32,597
time. And there was a promise of not just jobs,

4110
06:18:32,597 --> 06:18:34,677
but like lots of different students who would be living

4111
06:18:34,778 --> 06:18:39,077
in this area. And so reading the report, I appreciate

4112
06:18:39,098 --> 06:18:42,597
you made comment about it in the presentation, but there

4113
06:18:42,637 --> 06:18:45,477
doesn't seem to be any illusion to a timeline or

4114
06:18:45,818 --> 06:18:50,097
what a return to a level that can support, um,

4115
06:18:50,218 --> 06:18:53,077
the operational success of the campus. Do we have any

4116
06:18:53,338 --> 06:19:01,910
concept of when that satellite campus might come online. Through

4117
06:19:01,910 --> 06:19:04,790
you, Mayor, to Councillor Klaus, and we, we currently don't

4118
06:19:05,531 --> 06:19:10,310
with the federal government really restricting international student missions, which

4119
06:19:10,331 --> 06:19:17,030
was what Connorswood College was really banking on. I don't,

4120
06:19:17,030 --> 06:19:21,430
I haven't heard any, any updates, perhaps tarot might have

4121
06:19:21,611 --> 06:19:24,630
done some. Yeah. So thanks Jason. I would, I would

4122
06:19:24,630 --> 06:19:28,630
say we've been continuing to be in contact with Conestoga,

4123
06:19:28,630 --> 06:19:30,630
um, we don't have a date, but we continue to

4124
06:19:30,811 --> 06:19:35,510
stay connected. We are advancing kind of in terms of

4125
06:19:35,931 --> 06:19:41,030
an advocacy effort. This will become more of a priority,

4126
06:19:41,030 --> 06:19:43,590
I think as we looked into 2027 and we think

4127
06:19:43,590 --> 06:19:48,630
about our priorities. This, that's an important building in the

4128
06:19:48,811 --> 06:19:51,570
downtown. We need to get it active. And so, uh,

4129
06:19:51,570 --> 06:19:55,590
you'll see that, uh, be front centre as we look

4130
06:19:55,590 --> 06:20:04,148
into 2027. Thank you. Is there anybody else before. I

4131
06:20:04,169 --> 06:20:12,320
do a speech. Okay. Nobody else. All right. Um, we

4132
06:20:13,301 --> 06:20:20,482
Guelph met. Our housing targets in 2023. Do you know

4133
06:20:20,482 --> 06:20:23,634
how many. Cities in Ontario met the housing targets in

4134
06:20:23,634 --> 06:20:27,714
2023 out of the 50 plus cities that are required.

4135
06:20:30,563 --> 06:20:40,187
Only 12. Guelph met the housing targets. In 2024. Guess

4136
06:20:40,227 --> 06:20:44,146
how many cities only met the target in 2024. Does

4137
06:20:44,146 --> 06:20:51,584
anyone know? 15. Cities. We did not meet it. For

4138
06:20:51,605 --> 06:20:58,488
2025. Okay. Guess how many cities got met in 2025.

4139
06:20:59,411 --> 06:21:08,207
I've been told 13. Okay. So. The

4140
06:21:08,228 --> 06:21:16,658
program, this is my own thoughts. The program. Was, in

4141
06:21:16,658 --> 06:21:20,276
my opinion. A valid attempt to try to sort of

4142
06:21:20,817 --> 06:21:23,609
lay the match to get things going. Which we needed

4143
06:21:23,649 --> 06:21:29,733
to do in this province. It was the way it

4144
06:21:29,733 --> 06:21:34,278
was measured. And implemented that it did not work. And

4145
06:21:34,299 --> 06:21:36,758
taking into consideration like Councillor Gull are set, like how

4146
06:21:36,798 --> 06:21:41,354
do you count. Is it by us approving. Nope. It's

4147
06:21:41,354 --> 06:21:43,994
by a foundation port. Well, we can't control when a

4148
06:21:44,034 --> 06:21:46,074
permanent is pull for a foundation. So why are we

4149
06:21:47,055 --> 06:21:50,423
being, why are we getting the money. And then it's

4150
06:21:50,423 --> 06:21:56,846
circular, right? It's like, well, we need the money. So

4151
06:21:56,886 --> 06:21:59,646
that we can unlock more infrastructure that helps build more

4152
06:21:59,667 --> 06:22:03,571
homes. But then you're not giving us the money. To

4153
06:22:03,571 --> 06:22:07,372
unlock the infrastructure to unlock more homes. So why don't

4154
06:22:07,372 --> 06:22:10,283
you just give us the money. Right? Cause they have

4155
06:22:10,283 --> 06:22:13,455
the money. To an envelope. I've not seen it, but

4156
06:22:13,455 --> 06:22:19,795
it's an envelope somewhere. Okay. So. It was, it was,

4157
06:22:19,835 --> 06:22:21,635
it was valid. In my opinion, it was still valid

4158
06:22:21,675 --> 06:22:25,379
to do. But it just, the implementation just didn't work.

4159
06:22:25,379 --> 06:22:28,742
And the province has acknowledged that now. They have. They're

4160
06:22:28,742 --> 06:22:32,199
stopping this. They're stopping this stuff now. Like they're moving

4161
06:22:32,199 --> 06:22:34,599
on to something else. They're working with the Ontario Big

4162
06:22:34,639 --> 06:22:37,479
City Mayor's caucus and staffs. I know trying to figure

4163
06:22:37,519 --> 06:22:39,959
out a new way of doing it. Because they acknowledge

4164
06:22:39,959 --> 06:22:43,239
it. But I just, what I hate is when I

4165
06:22:43,740 --> 06:22:47,159
hear like, Oh Guelph this and Guelph that I just

4166
06:22:47,180 --> 06:22:50,899
gave you the stats. We met it for two out

4167
06:22:50,899 --> 06:22:55,549
of the three years. In a bad sort of arena

4168
06:22:56,450 --> 06:22:58,569
of home building. We met it two out of the

4169
06:22:58,569 --> 06:23:03,146
three years. We did a good job. And, uh, and

4170
06:23:03,186 --> 06:23:10,096
that should be acknowledged. And like kudos to counsel with

4171
06:23:10,117 --> 06:23:15,056
policy changes. But major kudos to staff, like getting to

4172
06:23:15,077 --> 06:23:18,656
yes, thinking outside the box, figuring things like, please believe

4173
06:23:18,656 --> 06:23:25,847
me, we could collectively. Guess how much in DCs we've

4174
06:23:26,028 --> 06:23:31,613
collected this year so far. It's July. Guess how much

4175
06:23:31,634 --> 06:23:34,317
in DCs we've collected this far? I think it's like

4176
06:23:35,698 --> 06:23:39,980
65, 000 dollars. A little bit more. It's now a

4177
06:23:39,980 --> 06:23:43,020
little bit more. I don't have the exact number. It's

4178
06:23:43,060 --> 06:23:45,660
about, I think around two million now. So we did

4179
06:23:45,660 --> 06:23:51,100
get, we did get some, some non - residential non

4180
06:23:51,140 --> 06:23:53,420
- residential non - res. All right. But like a

4181
06:23:53,420 --> 06:23:55,180
month ago it was 65, 000. Yeah, it was. So

4182
06:23:55,201 --> 06:23:58,860
yes, you, you're accurate. Well, we did get some June.

4183
06:23:58,860 --> 06:24:05,337
Okay. Thank you. Whoever that was. But, um. Like this

4184
06:24:05,518 --> 06:24:09,557
isn't a Guelph thing. Okay. Now look. I say that.

4185
06:24:09,557 --> 06:24:12,137
I'm getting to my ending here. Thanks everybody. I say

4186
06:24:12,137 --> 06:24:17,021
that. Not to be like because we're done. And like,

4187
06:24:17,021 --> 06:24:19,101
I'm not here to be here in a few months.

4188
06:24:19,101 --> 06:24:21,181
So here's my little speech to anybody that's coming back

4189
06:24:21,442 --> 06:24:24,061
or anyone that's elected. Do not let up on this.

4190
06:24:25,207 --> 06:24:29,746
Just because there's province this and federal government that and

4191
06:24:29,786 --> 06:24:32,386
DC, like we can be concerned and we can have

4192
06:24:32,407 --> 06:24:35,826
our opinions and we can advocate, but we cannot let

4193
06:24:35,866 --> 06:24:39,593
up on this housing issue. We cannot. For the sake

4194
06:24:39,633 --> 06:24:43,513
of my own kids, please don't, please. Okay. We have

4195
06:24:43,513 --> 06:24:47,353
to have a culture like we have of staff getting

4196
06:24:47,534 --> 06:24:49,753
to yes and figuring stuff out. We have to work

4197
06:24:49,793 --> 06:24:53,033
with the development community. That includes the for - profit

4198
06:24:53,073 --> 06:24:57,355
and the nonprofit community development sector. We got to figure

4199
06:24:57,355 --> 06:24:59,755
out new policies. We've got to continue to push and

4200
06:24:59,795 --> 06:25:03,828
push and try to figure stuff out. Because to be

4201
06:25:03,849 --> 06:25:07,268
ready doesn't mean we are ready, meaning we don't do

4202
06:25:07,289 --> 06:25:10,844
anything else. To be ready requires us to continue to

4203
06:25:10,865 --> 06:25:13,084
make more changes so we can be even more ready

4204
06:25:13,505 --> 06:25:16,204
when the market hits and when the market is ripe.

4205
06:25:16,204 --> 06:25:19,476
Okay. But this sort of data to me is so

4206
06:25:19,497 --> 06:25:23,796
good, like Councillor Downer said. This stuff is so good,

4207
06:25:23,796 --> 06:25:27,296
but it's not fair. It's not fair to take the

4208
06:25:27,317 --> 06:25:30,536
data out of context and throw, you know, throw the

4209
06:25:30,536 --> 06:25:33,516
grenade in the room and walk away somehow, somehow, you

4210
06:25:33,516 --> 06:25:36,656
know, my colleagues here or staff or things like that

4211
06:25:37,477 --> 06:25:40,096
are, you know, bad people and not wanting to get

4212
06:25:40,117 --> 06:25:44,336
development done or things like that. So we've come a

4213
06:25:44,336 --> 06:25:46,816
long way. I'm very proud of this council and staff

4214
06:25:47,077 --> 06:25:50,576
this term. I'm very proud of that work. And we

4215
06:25:51,157 --> 06:25:54,576
cannot let up. We cannot. We have to keep pushing.

4216
06:25:54,576 --> 06:25:56,976
And we have to keep changing things, uh, to continue

4217
06:25:56,997 --> 06:25:59,536
to be more ready when it comes together. But I

4218
06:25:59,536 --> 06:26:01,296
thought I would hit you all with those stats there

4219
06:26:02,117 --> 06:26:04,496
because I just want everyone to know that even though

4220
06:26:04,597 --> 06:26:07,596
this report says, Oh, we didn't make it. And, you

4221
06:26:07,596 --> 06:26:09,916
know, all respect to our media partners, but like, you

4222
06:26:09,916 --> 06:26:11,696
know, I can just see the, I can see the

4223
06:26:11,736 --> 06:26:15,192
headline, you know. But we made it for two years

4224
06:26:15,213 --> 06:26:20,195
out of the three. Where many, municipalities did not. And

4225
06:26:20,195 --> 06:26:22,275
that's because we hit the yes button a lot of

4226
06:26:22,315 --> 06:26:25,075
times or raised our hand in, yes, a lot of

4227
06:26:25,075 --> 06:26:29,475
times, uh, this term of council. So all right. Who's,

4228
06:26:29,515 --> 06:26:31,875
who's, who's moving this recommendation for me? Did we already

4229
06:26:31,875 --> 06:26:36,554
do that. No, who's doing it Galler and Richardson. Okay.

4230
06:26:36,735 --> 06:26:40,036
Anything more. I'm calling the vote. Does anyone against receiving.

4231
06:26:42,342 --> 06:26:47,457
Nobody, that's unanimous. Thank you very much. Now speaking of

4232
06:26:47,718 --> 06:26:55,293
like the heritage stuff. And speaking of housing. And density

4233
06:26:55,474 --> 06:26:57,893
in a built up area. This is a good segue

4234
06:26:58,074 --> 06:27:01,893
into the proposed urban design master plan for 64 Duke

4235
06:27:01,893 --> 06:27:03,813
Street. And just as a heads up, I did have

4236
06:27:03,994 --> 06:27:07,733
one delegation, Ken Thompson emailed to mention that he was

4237
06:27:07,773 --> 06:27:11,573
not able to do, uh, the delegation just to recognise

4238
06:27:11,613 --> 06:27:15,973
that. But we have a presentation from Scott who's going

4239
06:27:15,973 --> 06:27:19,413
to be our, uh, Scott, uh, is it Plant Plant

4240
06:27:19,514 --> 06:27:23,952
or Plantee? Am I saying. Okay. Plant, thank you. Who's

4241
06:27:23,952 --> 06:27:26,912
a Project Manager? Uh, with the Planning Development who's going

4242
06:27:26,912 --> 06:27:29,632
to do a presentation for us. And then we have

4243
06:27:30,213 --> 06:27:37,483
one, two, three, four, five, six. Different delegations. And then

4244
06:27:37,523 --> 06:27:39,563
it comes back to us to discuss a little bit.

4245
06:27:39,563 --> 06:27:43,065
Okay. Uh, Scott, thank you for coming forward. I'll turn

4246
06:27:43,065 --> 06:27:52,593
it over to you whenever you're ready. Okay. In respective

4247
06:27:52,633 --> 06:27:55,313
Council's time, I'll keep this presentation short and concise tonight.

4248
06:27:57,164 --> 06:27:59,303
Uh, good evening, everyone. My name is Scott. I'm a

4249
06:27:59,343 --> 06:28:01,913
Project Manager and Planning and Building Services. Thank you for

4250
06:28:01,953 --> 06:28:04,633
listening in tonight on this important future project in the

4251
06:28:04,633 --> 06:28:09,081
City of Guelph. Their purpose of this report is to

4252
06:28:09,081 --> 06:28:12,521
seek Council's support and the urban design master plan for

4253
06:28:12,561 --> 06:28:16,841
the Midtown Village Project. It is noted that Council's support

4254
06:28:16,862 --> 06:28:21,321
does not approve any zoning or strict design details tonight.

4255
06:28:21,321 --> 06:28:23,881
Uh, as this is a conceptual document that will provide

4256
06:28:23,982 --> 06:28:33,851
a framework to guide future development applications. The subject

4257
06:28:34,112 --> 06:28:41,211
properties municipal addresses are 333739 and 45, Elizabeth Street, 64

4258
06:28:41,312 --> 06:28:45,257
Duke Street. 69 here on Street and 60 Al Street.

4259
06:28:46,822 --> 06:28:48,881
The support of this master plan will be required before

4260
06:28:48,982 --> 06:28:52,961
the applicant submits a formal development application through the City's

4261
06:28:53,001 --> 06:28:57,448
downtown community Planning Permit system. Again, uh, the recommendation before

4262
06:28:57,549 --> 06:29:00,328
you does not approve any zoning, uh, which will be

4263
06:29:00,368 --> 06:29:04,088
evaluated in detail at a future community planning permit application.

4264
06:29:09,569 --> 06:29:12,508
And urban design master plan is required to proactively manage

4265
06:29:12,769 --> 06:29:16,188
large scale growth on the existing industrial lands that will

4266
06:29:16,228 --> 06:29:20,188
support the arrangement of land uses, infrastructure, and public spaces

4267
06:29:20,369 --> 06:29:23,548
to ensure a high quality of life and environmental sustainability

4268
06:29:23,649 --> 06:29:28,028
for the neighbourhood. Generally, there is a positive public reception

4269
06:29:28,129 --> 06:29:31,868
in the community and generally this urban design master plan

4270
06:29:31,969 --> 06:29:36,914
supports the city's growth targets and urban design objectives. 39

4271
06:29:37,095 --> 06:29:39,394
Elizabeth Street on the north of the site is included

4272
06:29:39,434 --> 06:29:41,794
within the project area, which is a more recent small

4273
06:29:41,975 --> 06:29:44,834
land edition to the boundary area of the master plan.

4274
06:29:46,843 --> 06:29:50,102
The number of proposed dwelling units is estimated at approximately

4275
06:29:50,443 --> 06:29:54,262
800 to 875 in total, which on the top of

4276
06:29:54,443 --> 06:29:57,602
growth would help the city meet its growth targets. The

4277
06:29:57,602 --> 06:30:00,262
square foot adjustam for commercial space has not yet been

4278
06:30:00,363 --> 06:30:04,822
specified. And the buildings will primarily be residential with opportunities

4279
06:30:04,862 --> 06:30:07,942
for small - scale commercial and community uses serving the

4280
06:30:07,982 --> 06:30:10,822
neighbourhood and ground floor spaces - oriented to the public.

4281
06:30:20,564 --> 06:30:24,383
And the downtown secondary planned land use schedule. The lands

4282
06:30:24,383 --> 06:30:28,863
are currently designated residential one, residential two, mixed use one,

4283
06:30:28,863 --> 06:30:36,802
and parks designations. In the downtown secondary plan, maximum building

4284
06:30:36,802 --> 06:30:41,282
height schedule, a concept plan includes seven buildings that range

4285
06:30:41,282 --> 06:30:44,642
in height from two stories to 23 stories with the

4286
06:30:44,743 --> 06:30:48,242
tallest buildings on this project being located at the centre

4287
06:30:48,282 --> 06:30:51,065
of the site. Transitioning to lower building heights at the

4288
06:30:51,086 --> 06:30:54,745
edges. Four stories along Elizabeth Street and three stories along

4289
06:30:54,926 --> 06:31:04,795
Duke Street. The

4290
06:31:04,896 --> 06:31:08,075
Guelph Junction Railway runs through the urban design master plan

4291
06:31:08,256 --> 06:31:12,602
area generally from west to east. Uh, influencing the phasing

4292
06:31:12,602 --> 06:31:17,165
of the lands. Since the north parcel is independent from

4293
06:31:17,426 --> 06:31:20,045
the South Parcel in terms of access and servicing, this

4294
06:31:20,466 --> 06:31:23,245
phase may develop independently at any time once a community

4295
06:31:23,266 --> 06:31:29,465
planning permit has been approved. Phase two includes the redevelopment

4296
06:31:29,465 --> 06:31:32,219
of the North Parcel with three new buildings. A new

4297
06:31:32,259 --> 06:31:35,339
vehicular access, Elizabeth Lane will be built and the existing

4298
06:31:35,760 --> 06:31:38,973
axis lane to the east will be rebuilt. The northern

4299
06:31:39,013 --> 06:31:41,053
portion of the park will also be developed in the

4300
06:31:41,093 --> 06:31:48,580
space. On the south parcel, the work in phase one

4301
06:31:48,601 --> 06:31:51,460
will see the demolition, the existing warehouse structure while preserving

4302
06:31:51,500 --> 06:31:54,820
the historic factory building and we'll see stormwater and sanitary

4303
06:31:54,841 --> 06:32:00,192
infrastructure to be built within the rail corridor. In phase

4304
06:32:00,213 --> 06:32:03,552
two, the West Block will be developed with two large

4305
06:32:03,592 --> 06:32:06,992
buildings and a pedestrian mu's. Land for the enhanced schoolyard

4306
06:32:07,413 --> 06:32:09,792
is intended to be dedicated to the school board, which

4307
06:32:09,792 --> 06:32:14,363
could commence improvements to the public open space. In phase

4308
06:32:14,403 --> 06:32:17,483
three, The Heritage Building will be restored and the 16

4309
06:32:17,664 --> 06:32:20,203
- story residential building will be developed on the East

4310
06:32:20,243 --> 06:32:23,003
Block. Here on Lane will be built in its ultimate

4311
06:32:23,043 --> 06:32:25,723
location and the final improvements of the edge of the

4312
06:32:25,824 --> 06:32:29,403
enhanced schoolyard can be completed. This phase will conclude with

4313
06:32:29,584 --> 06:32:33,563
completion of the park, including the rail trail extension, construction

4314
06:32:33,563 --> 06:32:37,563
of a public square, and improvements to here Ontarios here

4315
06:32:37,563 --> 06:32:47,444
on Street. The existing Zoning

4316
06:32:47,484 --> 06:32:50,084
Byla regulations will be enforced and effect until there is

4317
06:32:50,084 --> 06:32:52,964
a resolution of the appeal of the community planning permit

4318
06:32:52,985 --> 06:32:57,995
Bylaw. The existing under appeal community planning permit regulations are

4319
06:32:58,096 --> 06:33:03,122
not yet in effect. These proposed community planning permit system

4320
06:33:03,143 --> 06:33:06,402
regulations are to be determined at a future community planning

4321
06:33:06,423 --> 06:33:14,238
permit submission by the applicant. Based on the timeline of

4322
06:33:14,238 --> 06:33:17,918
the woods projects, it is anticipated that the community planning

4323
06:33:17,918 --> 06:33:20,318
permit Byla will be in effect when development projects are

4324
06:33:20,339 --> 06:33:25,973
ready to proceed. Three in - person public open houses

4325
06:33:26,013 --> 06:33:30,693
have occurred since June, 2024, including in November 2024 and

4326
06:33:30,693 --> 06:33:34,106
June 2025. This public feedback helped to shape the current

4327
06:33:34,287 --> 06:33:43,404
urban design master plan. If you wish to be notified

4328
06:33:43,505 --> 06:33:46,844
of any future revisions or decisions on these applications, please

4329
06:33:47,105 --> 06:33:51,623
email planning at golf. ca. Thank you for listening. That

4330
06:33:51,623 --> 06:33:56,843
is the end of the presentation. Great. Thank you very

4331
06:33:56,883 --> 06:33:59,750
much. Well, if we have any questions or comments to

4332
06:33:59,750 --> 06:34:02,070
you, uh, we'll get them to you and staff right

4333
06:34:02,070 --> 06:34:09,214
after, okay? Sounds good. Scott, was that your first time

4334
06:34:09,235 --> 06:34:16,592
at the microphone. For us. Really? Nice to meet you.

4335
06:34:17,973 --> 06:34:20,592
Is it? No, this was where I get in trouble.

4336
06:34:20,693 --> 06:34:25,935
How long have you been with the city. Well. Just

4337
06:34:25,935 --> 06:34:28,265
go over. To your year. Just over a year. I'm

4338
06:34:28,305 --> 06:34:31,331
in trouble. Thank you. Okay. Well, you did a great

4339
06:34:31,331 --> 06:34:33,811
job presenting for us. Thank you very much. That's great.

4340
06:34:35,398 --> 06:34:38,817
Um, okay. We have several delegations. We're looking forward to

4341
06:34:38,838 --> 06:34:41,457
hearing from you all. Susan Frozen from the Wood Development

4342
06:34:41,457 --> 06:34:45,524
Group is first. Actually, it looks like we have three

4343
06:34:45,564 --> 06:34:48,244
from the wood development group. So we have Suzanne frozen,

4344
06:34:48,244 --> 06:34:53,489
Tim Smith and Ian Panabaker. And are you all coming

4345
06:34:53,510 --> 06:35:01,313
as a team. Vis. For 15. Yeah. Okay. No problem.

4346
06:35:02,200 --> 06:35:08,405
Okay. So, uh, yeah, this is five minutes. Not 10

4347
06:35:08,405 --> 06:35:12,557
minutes. And again, you'll hear the chime at the four

4348
06:35:12,597 --> 06:35:16,237
minute 30 second mark with the warning just before you

4349
06:35:16,277 --> 06:35:19,597
hit the five minute mark. So Suzan over to you

4350
06:35:19,938 --> 06:35:21,757
whenever you are ready. And thank you so much for

4351
06:35:21,797 --> 06:35:27,365
joining us. Good evening, honourable Mayor Guthrie and members of

4352
06:35:27,466 --> 06:35:30,964
Council. Uh, I'm Suzan Frasen. I'm president of wood development

4353
06:35:31,004 --> 06:35:32,964
group and it is truly a pleasure to be here

4354
06:35:33,145 --> 06:35:37,184
tonight to present to our urban design master plan, uh,

4355
06:35:37,385 --> 06:35:41,444
consisting of 64 Duke Street, 69 Huron Street. A small

4356
06:35:41,545 --> 06:35:46,964
sliver of Alice Street 33, 35, 37, 39, and 45,

4357
06:35:46,964 --> 06:35:56,859
Elizabeth Street. This is a site

4358
06:35:56,960 --> 06:36:03,112
that is, how do I go back? This is a

4359
06:36:03,112 --> 06:36:07,109
site that is steep in history. Uh, for the possible

4360
06:36:07,370 --> 06:36:10,789
for over 100 years, it has been industrial. Uh, the

4361
06:36:10,810 --> 06:36:13,829
majority of this site has seen various factories on it

4362
06:36:13,829 --> 06:36:18,549
over the years. Um, and, uh, but the city recognised

4363
06:36:19,050 --> 06:36:23,109
the need for residential development in 1990 and rezone the

4364
06:36:23,149 --> 06:36:27,984
site in 1994 residential. Recognising the contribution that this site

4365
06:36:28,024 --> 06:36:33,298
had the potential to give to downtown. So while you

4366
06:36:33,338 --> 06:36:35,618
will see that our urban design master plan, we've worked

4367
06:36:35,618 --> 06:36:38,498
on this for four years. The reality is that our

4368
06:36:38,599 --> 06:36:41,378
family has been reimagining this site for the past 36

4369
06:36:41,418 --> 06:36:44,658
years. And there's been a lot that's changed in 36

4370
06:36:44,698 --> 06:36:47,004
years. But one of the things that has not changed

4371
06:36:47,665 --> 06:36:51,164
is the incredible complexity of this site. In fact, with

4372
06:36:51,345 --> 06:36:54,604
every year, it continues to become more and more complex.

4373
06:36:55,783 --> 06:36:58,863
It's a brown field site. That has a railway that

4374
06:36:58,863 --> 06:37:01,617
runs right through it. It has a private easement on

4375
06:37:01,617 --> 06:37:06,548
it. It has a historical heritage building on it. It

4376
06:37:06,548 --> 06:37:11,300
has an elementary school sitting adjacent to it. And most

4377
06:37:11,321 --> 06:37:16,260
significantly, it is a high density residential site that exists

4378
06:37:16,281 --> 06:37:22,585
in a low rise residential neighbourhood. So unless you specialize

4379
06:37:22,606 --> 06:37:28,505
in brownfield or heritage, uh, which we don't, uh, most

4380
06:37:28,545 --> 06:37:32,265
people would take advantage of the high density and heights

4381
06:37:32,265 --> 06:37:34,475
that the City of given us on this site. And

4382
06:37:34,515 --> 06:37:39,041
sell it to maximize their ROI. Our family and our

4383
06:37:39,041 --> 06:37:43,662
staff chose not to. We signed up for this challenge

4384
06:37:43,843 --> 06:37:46,862
because we honestly believe that what we can deliver to

4385
06:37:46,902 --> 06:37:49,742
this community and to this city on this site is

4386
06:37:49,763 --> 06:37:55,661
better than anyone else. One of the reasons that we

4387
06:37:55,682 --> 06:38:02,004
believe that is because we've been accumulating properties. Throughout this

4388
06:38:02,025 --> 06:38:07,160
neighbourhood. For the past number of years. To ensure that

4389
06:38:07,901 --> 06:38:13,517
this site touches all four corners. All four streets on

4390
06:38:13,557 --> 06:38:17,395
this block. And that will allow us to open up

4391
06:38:17,576 --> 06:38:21,455
the site to both the community who live there. Um,

4392
06:38:21,576 --> 06:38:25,875
and, and rent there. And they can access the neighbourhood

4393
06:38:25,976 --> 06:38:28,995
and the downtown through this site. But we also wanted

4394
06:38:29,035 --> 06:38:32,355
to be able to welcome the community into this site

4395
06:38:32,776 --> 06:38:34,755
because we believe it what we will build here would

4396
06:38:34,755 --> 06:38:42,584
be very special. We'll create new public spaces. Including a

4397
06:38:42,605 --> 06:38:45,944
dedication of land to the Catholic school board to allow

4398
06:38:45,984 --> 06:38:48,824
them to increase their play yard and potentially grow that

4399
06:38:49,005 --> 06:38:52,936
school as the community around them grows. We will clean

4400
06:38:52,976 --> 06:38:56,650
up the site. We will green up the site. And

4401
06:38:56,690 --> 06:39:01,290
we will also help to protect their neighbourhood from potential

4402
06:39:01,551 --> 06:39:05,165
floods. So we will try and floodproof the neighbourhood. As

4403
06:39:05,165 --> 06:39:10,488
well. We'll build a mix of housing units. Both in

4404
06:39:10,528 --> 06:39:14,088
size and in type to allow for a broader range

4405
06:39:14,189 --> 06:39:18,968
of, um, homeowners and tenants to be interested in living

4406
06:39:18,989 --> 06:39:23,535
here. We recognise that you can't, you just continue to

4407
06:39:23,575 --> 06:39:27,055
put up high rise condo buildings and expect that everyone

4408
06:39:27,095 --> 06:39:29,135
is going to want to live there. So we'll be

4409
06:39:29,236 --> 06:39:31,695
very intentional and very careful about what it is we

4410
06:39:31,876 --> 06:39:36,168
develop here. We'll restore the historic building on this site

4411
06:39:36,509 --> 06:39:42,046
to celebrate the history that existed within those walls. And

4412
06:39:42,147 --> 06:39:45,326
we'll do our best to reflect and compliment the character

4413
06:39:45,427 --> 06:39:50,832
of the ward. And the spaces that we create. Will

4414
06:39:50,872 --> 06:39:54,580
it be different. For sure. But different doesn't always mean

4415
06:39:54,681 --> 06:39:59,174
bad. Remember that we live in this community and we

4416
06:39:59,275 --> 06:40:02,910
work in this community. And we can be held accountable

4417
06:40:02,931 --> 06:40:07,939
for what it is that we develop here. Thank you

4418
06:40:07,979 --> 06:40:11,859
very much, Suzan. Any follow - up, uh, for Suzan

4419
06:40:11,899 --> 06:40:14,659
at this point? Or did you want to maybe I

4420
06:40:14,659 --> 06:40:18,019
can do that or I can let Tim and Ian

4421
06:40:18,360 --> 06:40:20,419
like all from the wood development group speak. And then

4422
06:40:20,419 --> 06:40:24,179
I could do questions to all three. So that makes

4423
06:40:24,179 --> 06:40:26,700
sense. Yeah. Do you mind if I do that? Okay.

4424
06:40:26,721 --> 06:40:31,260
Perfect. So yeah, let's do that. So, uh, Tim Smith,

4425
06:40:31,260 --> 06:40:34,162
you're next. And then, and then all three of you

4426
06:40:34,203 --> 06:40:39,461
can come together and get, get ready for questions. Welcome,

4427
06:40:39,501 --> 06:40:43,461
Tim. Go ahead. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Members of Council,

4428
06:40:43,461 --> 06:40:46,021
pleasure to be here again to talk about this exciting

4429
06:40:46,122 --> 06:40:48,901
project. Um, my name's Tim Smith. I'm the Planner for

4430
06:40:48,941 --> 06:40:51,301
the wood development group who has been part of the

4431
06:40:51,322 --> 06:40:54,421
team. Let's put this together over the last few years.

4432
06:40:54,442 --> 06:40:55,781
What I'd like to do is kind of build on

4433
06:40:55,802 --> 06:40:58,121
what Scott Outline and his presentation and some of the

4434
06:40:58,121 --> 06:41:00,901
things that Susan touched on to describe, give you a

4435
06:41:00,901 --> 06:41:02,981
bit of an overview if I can in five minutes.

4436
06:41:02,981 --> 06:41:06,901
It's a lengthy document. An overview of what's in the

4437
06:41:06,941 --> 06:41:09,941
plan, which really is at its heart a concept that

4438
06:41:09,941 --> 06:41:12,581
has informed us at a guidelines that we expect future

4439
06:41:12,581 --> 06:41:16,901
development to adhere to. Um, you see on this slide

4440
06:41:17,242 --> 06:41:19,621
really just a list of those sort of key elements,

4441
06:41:19,621 --> 06:41:22,181
key features that we see being built on the site

4442
06:41:23,162 --> 06:41:26,661
as Suzan mentioned. A mix of housing types, different unit

4443
06:41:26,661 --> 06:41:31,621
sizes, townhouses, some embedded into the base of the buildings.

4444
06:41:31,621 --> 06:41:34,501
We're restoring, converting that historic factory building doesn't look like

4445
06:41:34,541 --> 06:41:37,781
much today, but believe me underneath that. And once you

4446
06:41:37,781 --> 06:41:40,981
open up the windows, it's going to be quite fantastic.

4447
06:41:40,981 --> 06:41:43,621
We'll be adding two stories to that for more housing.

4448
06:41:43,621 --> 06:41:48,821
Um, a new neighbourhood park expanded schoolyard for the Sacred

4449
06:41:48,842 --> 06:41:51,061
Heart School, which I'll talk about in a moment other

4450
06:41:51,061 --> 06:41:53,781
public open spaces. And as you heard from Scott, there

4451
06:41:53,821 --> 06:41:57,061
will be opportunities for some small scale commercial and community

4452
06:41:57,082 --> 06:42:01,521
uses that we think the community will really appreciate. And

4453
06:42:01,521 --> 06:42:04,901
finally, as Susan said, we're opening up to site, bringing

4454
06:42:04,901 --> 06:42:08,101
people into what we're creating here, also allowing them simply

4455
06:42:08,101 --> 06:42:11,301
to get through the site. And in many ways, that

4456
06:42:11,301 --> 06:42:14,341
opening up this side, I think will be as significant

4457
06:42:14,602 --> 06:42:17,861
a change to the neighbourhood as the development itself, what

4458
06:42:17,861 --> 06:42:20,001
we're building here. Uh, let me talk a little bit

4459
06:42:20,001 --> 06:42:22,421
about those connections. You see them in the orange lines

4460
06:42:22,421 --> 06:42:26,101
here, uh, a pathway from Alice Street up through the

4461
06:42:26,122 --> 06:42:29,781
site crossing of the tracks, uh, so that people can

4462
06:42:29,821 --> 06:42:32,981
go right up to Elizabeth Street as a muse off

4463
06:42:33,021 --> 06:42:35,621
of Duke Street, allowing people to come in from that

4464
06:42:35,661 --> 06:42:39,301
direction. There'll be some private, but publicly accessible streets with

4465
06:42:39,482 --> 06:42:42,661
sidewalks on them. You see in grey here. So lots

4466
06:42:42,701 --> 06:42:49,221
of porosity. And can't forget the rail corridor will have

4467
06:42:49,402 --> 06:42:52,101
an extension of the multi - use path that one

4468
06:42:52,101 --> 06:42:55,381
day we all hope a continued eastward eventually reaching all

4469
06:42:55,381 --> 06:43:04,149
the way over to, um, the wealth innovation district. Three

4470
06:43:04,189 --> 06:43:07,386
key open spaces I want to highlight here. A new

4471
06:43:07,407 --> 06:43:11,226
park in the rail corridor, an enhancement to the sacred

4472
06:43:11,327 --> 06:43:14,866
heart schoolyard and what we're calling here on Square, a

4473
06:43:14,866 --> 06:43:16,626
new open space on here on Street in front of

4474
06:43:16,626 --> 06:43:19,206
the Heritage Building. Let me talk a little bit about

4475
06:43:19,227 --> 06:43:21,126
the part here. This is really going to be about

4476
06:43:21,166 --> 06:43:24,886
bringing nature back into the city. The idea is a

4477
06:43:24,926 --> 06:43:28,246
heavily vegetated green space. We have 50 metres between the

4478
06:43:28,507 --> 06:43:31,046
future buildings on either side of the rail corridor to

4479
06:43:31,046 --> 06:43:33,446
work with. Yes, the tracks will run through it. We'll

4480
06:43:33,467 --> 06:43:37,346
keep those, I'm sure the safety barriers against that. But

4481
06:43:37,346 --> 06:43:39,366
the green space we have on either side will be

4482
06:43:39,406 --> 06:43:44,326
lushly planted. There'll be opportunities for public art, for recalling

4483
06:43:44,347 --> 06:43:46,886
recreation nodes where you might find a ping pong table

4484
06:43:47,627 --> 06:43:51,286
or something for kids to climb on, uh, simply seeding

4485
06:43:51,307 --> 06:43:53,606
for people to hang out in places where we can

4486
06:43:53,627 --> 06:43:57,126
interpret the site's heritage, the wards heritage. We've heard so

4487
06:43:57,126 --> 06:44:04,097
much about today. The enhanced schoolyard is a really big

4488
06:44:04,137 --> 06:44:06,737
idea. We've had lots of discussions with the Catholic school

4489
06:44:06,777 --> 06:44:09,297
board about this to really see how we could actually

4490
06:44:09,958 --> 06:44:12,017
not just expand the schoolyard, which will be a great

4491
06:44:12,017 --> 06:44:15,057
benefit to the students, as you can appreciate. But actually

4492
06:44:15,097 --> 06:44:18,337
how this space that after school hours and in the

4493
06:44:18,337 --> 06:44:20,577
summertime can actually be opened up and available to the

4494
06:44:20,598 --> 06:44:23,377
community. And the school board has agreed that we don't,

4495
06:44:23,377 --> 06:44:25,897
they don't need to build fences around the schoolyard. It

4496
06:44:25,897 --> 06:44:29,697
can be managed through landscaping to ensure that the kids

4497
06:44:29,737 --> 06:44:31,777
are corralled during the school day, but you can get

4498
06:44:31,798 --> 06:44:34,977
into that space and really make it function like a

4499
06:44:34,977 --> 06:44:40,737
park with flexible play yard playground, uh, more space for

4500
06:44:40,758 --> 06:44:46,619
basketball in other court sports. Here on Square, we'll actually

4501
06:44:46,659 --> 06:44:49,499
be a private space, privately owned, but it will be

4502
06:44:49,760 --> 06:44:53,299
landscaped and have amenities in it for the public. As

4503
06:44:53,299 --> 06:44:55,819
you can see from the rendering here, trees will line

4504
06:44:55,819 --> 06:44:58,539
it. We'll have seating under the trees or people can

4505
06:44:58,560 --> 06:45:01,419
come and meet and socialize with their neighbours. We do

4506
06:45:01,419 --> 06:45:04,379
hope to have a cafe, perhaps other uses in the

4507
06:45:04,400 --> 06:45:08,139
base of this historic factory building. It's spill out onto

4508
06:45:08,320 --> 06:45:10,779
this space. We may need a little bit of parking

4509
06:45:10,880 --> 06:45:13,259
in the front to support those commercial uses, but we

4510
06:45:13,259 --> 06:45:17,739
also see an opportunity to remove those, um, parking so

4511
06:45:17,739 --> 06:45:20,498
that the space can be used for community events. Now

4512
06:45:20,599 --> 06:45:22,898
I do need to speak about the building's briefly and

4513
06:45:22,938 --> 06:45:25,618
to really emphasize here what we've done to push the

4514
06:45:25,639 --> 06:45:28,418
taller buildings toward the heart of the site and provide

4515
06:45:28,439 --> 06:45:32,178
transitions down to the neighbourhood. We've buried heights. They're all

4516
06:45:32,218 --> 06:45:34,978
well under 24 stories, one to 23 stories, the remainder

4517
06:45:35,399 --> 06:45:38,818
are at lower heights as Scott mentioned. And I'll just

4518
06:45:38,858 --> 06:45:43,006
kind of wrap up. I do want to, this image

4519
06:45:43,046 --> 06:45:45,326
gives you a sense of how the development will blend

4520
06:45:45,366 --> 06:45:54,527
with the neighbourhood. And I. Would. So just, just one,

4521
06:45:54,527 --> 06:45:56,927
just one, just one second. Sorry. Your time is, is

4522
06:45:56,927 --> 06:46:02,394
up. Um, I'm going to look to my colleagues just

4523
06:46:02,394 --> 06:46:05,274
to just, okay, you've gone off screen there. Did the

4524
06:46:05,274 --> 06:46:08,115
screen just go off. Can you put the screen back

4525
06:46:08,136 --> 06:46:13,610
on? Yeah. For me. Thank you so much. Um, to

4526
06:46:13,631 --> 06:46:17,650
my colleagues, uh, this is an important sort of, I

4527
06:46:17,650 --> 06:46:21,798
think. Is anyone, as the chair, I'm going to make

4528
06:46:21,798 --> 06:46:23,878
a call to allow this last slide to be talked

4529
06:46:23,918 --> 06:46:26,678
about. Um, does anyone want to challenge me on that.

4530
06:46:28,513 --> 06:46:32,572
No. Okay. Please like 20 seconds. Talk about this cause

4531
06:46:32,612 --> 06:46:34,766
we got to go to the next delegate. Okay. Go

4532
06:46:34,766 --> 06:46:37,110
ahead and talk about this last slide. Thank you, Mr.

4533
06:46:37,150 --> 06:46:38,910
Chair. I appreciate I'd be less than 30 seconds. I

4534
06:46:38,910 --> 06:46:40,790
do have just a few slides, but very quickly we

4535
06:46:40,790 --> 06:46:42,630
go through them. There are three images I want to

4536
06:46:42,670 --> 06:46:45,430
show to really emphasize what we see as how people

4537
06:46:45,531 --> 06:46:49,270
will experience this site and why the transitions, how the

4538
06:46:49,310 --> 06:46:51,830
transitions and the design of the edges of the site

4539
06:46:52,491 --> 06:46:54,790
will really contribute. So the view you have of Duke

4540
06:46:54,830 --> 06:46:58,610
Street today is this, looking south, and I'm sorry, I'm

4541
06:46:58,610 --> 06:47:01,990
having trouble advancing the screen. There we go. Um, that

4542
06:47:02,171 --> 06:47:05,110
will look something like that in the future. These are

4543
06:47:05,150 --> 06:47:06,910
renderings. You have to take renderings with a grain of

4544
06:47:06,910 --> 06:47:09,510
salt. But what we've done is line Duke Street with

4545
06:47:09,510 --> 06:47:11,990
three story townhouses. And then if you look at the

4546
06:47:12,171 --> 06:47:17,030
rail corridor today, imagine it being widened, lushly planted and

4547
06:47:17,030 --> 06:47:19,990
lined with buildings with units that face the space with

4548
06:47:20,171 --> 06:47:23,030
winding paths and so forth. And then this is the

4549
06:47:23,211 --> 06:47:25,670
favourite view really. This is what looks like from here

4550
06:47:25,710 --> 06:47:28,390
on Street today. Um, but imagine something that looks like

4551
06:47:28,411 --> 06:47:34,253
this with that restored building more green space. Taller buildings

4552
06:47:34,274 --> 06:47:36,813
in the heart of the site at a distance and

4553
06:47:36,813 --> 06:47:39,053
really a lot more space for the community to meet

4554
06:47:39,234 --> 06:47:42,424
and gather, um. And have a higher quality of life.

4555
06:47:43,310 --> 06:47:45,889
Perfect. Thank you very much for wrapping that up. I

4556
06:47:45,889 --> 06:47:50,649
appreciate it. Uh, go and take your seat. And Ian's

4557
06:47:50,649 --> 06:47:51,749
going to come up and then all three of you

4558
06:47:51,749 --> 06:47:54,409
can be ready for any questions. Okay. So Ian O

4559
06:47:54,430 --> 06:47:56,329
over to you. Um, I gave a little bit of

4560
06:47:56,350 --> 06:47:59,129
grace there, but please know, no more grace for the

4561
06:47:59,129 --> 06:48:00,969
evening. You got it. You got to get in your

4562
06:48:00,969 --> 06:48:04,838
five minutes. Okay. Go for it. Thank you, your worship

4563
06:48:04,859 --> 06:48:08,658
members of Council staff and members of the audience. I'm

4564
06:48:08,658 --> 06:48:11,238
just going to untrug and truncate what I said because

4565
06:48:11,278 --> 06:48:16,998
the, um, obviously Council tonight is being asked to support

4566
06:48:17,019 --> 06:48:19,318
the, uh, the urban design master plan, which is a

4567
06:48:19,318 --> 06:48:22,038
requirement of the secondary plan for these large sites within

4568
06:48:22,038 --> 06:48:25,958
the area. And at 10 acres almost, we are the

4569
06:48:25,958 --> 06:48:28,358
largest of those areas to be planned, um, in this

4570
06:48:28,379 --> 06:48:33,607
kind of collaborative way. There have been a lot of,

4571
06:48:33,607 --> 06:48:37,447
um, work to date to get here. Uh, a number

4572
06:48:37,447 --> 06:48:42,407
of years, multiple preconsultations with staff and agencies and extensive

4573
06:48:42,447 --> 06:48:45,367
community engagement program. And along the way, the navigation of

4574
06:48:45,708 --> 06:48:50,487
provincial and city policy changes and evolutions, including, uh, The

4575
06:48:51,468 --> 06:48:54,087
six that the City undertook for the downtown Heights and

4576
06:48:54,127 --> 06:49:00,499
the mentioned downtown CPPS developments over the last year. This

4577
06:49:00,539 --> 06:49:04,099
decision tonight, this decision to support is the first step,

4578
06:49:04,099 --> 06:49:08,659
believe it or not, in us solidifying a vision, which

4579
06:49:08,659 --> 06:49:11,699
then creates a whole myriad of projects for us to

4580
06:49:11,880 --> 06:49:17,779
start really implementing the site. Sitewide environmental and other audits

4581
06:49:17,960 --> 06:49:21,939
and approvals have to be undertaken for the infrastructure renewals.

4582
06:49:21,939 --> 06:49:24,579
The parks and school agreements for these open space land

4583
06:49:24,619 --> 06:49:31,050
dedications and concepts, all leading to individual block applications. The

4584
06:49:31,151 --> 06:49:35,250
site had a lot of, uh, input and analysis. I

4585
06:49:35,250 --> 06:49:38,170
won't go into it. We've had a great team helping

4586
06:49:38,170 --> 06:49:40,730
us to do this and set us up for success

4587
06:49:40,831 --> 06:49:42,730
in the future. There's been a lot of research to

4588
06:49:42,770 --> 06:49:46,950
done to actually illustrate this to you. What's possible. And

4589
06:49:46,950 --> 06:49:51,912
we know what's practical. We, uh, as Scott alluded to,

4590
06:49:51,912 --> 06:49:54,792
we had three public meetings. We kicked off in June

4591
06:49:54,973 --> 06:49:58,730
24, two years ago. The first of that was an

4592
06:49:58,770 --> 06:50:02,250
introductory session and visioning session with the community. And while

4593
06:50:02,250 --> 06:50:04,490
we didn't show a concept that night. We did talk

4594
06:50:04,530 --> 06:50:06,890
about the need for additional density and heights. The VB

4595
06:50:06,911 --> 06:50:09,450
- seeking. And with all the events that we did,

4596
06:50:09,490 --> 06:50:13,850
there was an online component. There was surveying and commenting

4597
06:50:13,850 --> 06:50:17,272
periods much longer than those events. The second meeting, uh,

4598
06:50:17,393 --> 06:50:21,212
was, uh, in November of 24, which we did presented

4599
06:50:21,233 --> 06:50:25,132
a concept and took folks through the rationale for the

4600
06:50:25,132 --> 06:50:28,092
density. There's a tiny little picture there in the corner

4601
06:50:28,132 --> 06:50:31,292
of all the inputs that go in to reconfiguring a

4602
06:50:31,292 --> 06:50:34,812
site like this. Susan Bench and them about Brownfields and

4603
06:50:34,852 --> 06:50:39,052
working in a railway corridor and replacing trunk infrastructure and

4604
06:50:39,073 --> 06:50:43,212
making commitments to creating great public space and gifting public

4605
06:50:43,393 --> 06:50:46,812
space. All that goes into factor into the land value

4606
06:50:46,852 --> 06:50:49,452
for this project. We do not have access to brownfield

4607
06:50:49,553 --> 06:50:52,492
community improvement plans. We don't have access to downtown investments

4608
06:50:53,153 --> 06:50:56,732
programs through replacing infrastructure. All of it's being born by

4609
06:50:56,772 --> 06:51:02,156
the density and height. But we did show a 24

4610
06:51:02,257 --> 06:51:04,716
story building in the centre. And the basic structure that

4611
06:51:04,756 --> 06:51:07,516
Tim alluded to in terms of opening up, uh, to

4612
06:51:07,516 --> 06:51:14,875
all corners. And that led to a second, uh, consultation

4613
06:51:15,056 --> 06:51:18,235
session with a revised plan that you basically see today

4614
06:51:18,656 --> 06:51:22,103
documented in the urban design master plan. This one incorporated

4615
06:51:22,143 --> 06:51:26,023
the OPA 106 heights that had happened in the meantime.

4616
06:51:26,023 --> 06:51:30,503
Um, we did revise the massing and move it slightly

4617
06:51:30,764 --> 06:51:34,803
further west towards downtown. It helped with shadowing and, um,

4618
06:51:34,844 --> 06:51:39,703
some of the, um, the relationships between the Heritage building.

4619
06:51:39,703 --> 06:51:44,983
And, um, the, uh, the project on the north side

4620
06:51:45,023 --> 06:51:47,943
of the tracks on Elizabeth Street got, um, enlarged because

4621
06:51:47,983 --> 06:51:52,826
of the direction the Council set with OPA 106. Following

4622
06:51:53,327 --> 06:51:57,066
that meeting, uh, there was, uh, protracted period to get,

4623
06:51:57,066 --> 06:52:02,106
gets it today. We, we added 39 Elizabeth Street, gratefully.

4624
06:52:02,106 --> 06:52:05,306
It allows us to have a consistent, um, frontage on

4625
06:52:05,346 --> 06:52:10,026
that street. That's now incorporated in the document. We clarified

4626
06:52:10,207 --> 06:52:15,226
and expanded the land dedications and park distribution over the

4627
06:52:15,407 --> 06:52:17,626
meantime. We had been talking about a shared space between

4628
06:52:17,967 --> 06:52:22,426
the school and the park department. That became on wieldy.

4629
06:52:22,426 --> 06:52:25,866
And we are now showing, um, clear dedications of lands

4630
06:52:25,906 --> 06:52:28,426
for the neighbourhood park and the gift to the school.

4631
06:52:29,297 --> 06:52:31,996
For which they can then operate and program these with

4632
06:52:32,017 --> 06:52:36,908
our assistance and support, uh, with clarity and operation. Uh,

4633
06:52:36,908 --> 06:52:39,468
the floodproofing concept that was mentioned was included in the

4634
06:52:39,508 --> 06:52:43,548
next iteration that you see. And we've incorporated the update

4635
06:52:43,588 --> 06:52:46,908
policies on CPPS and heritage districts and things like that.

4636
06:52:46,908 --> 06:52:50,748
So in summary, um, we're very excited to present this

4637
06:52:50,849 --> 06:52:55,388
tonight. We believe it conforms that the secondary plan intent.

4638
06:52:55,388 --> 06:52:58,908
It supports the city's growth management objectives and ambitions and

4639
06:52:58,908 --> 06:53:01,628
housing objectives. It sets the stage for meeting a very

4640
06:53:01,628 --> 06:53:05,867
large brownfield in the centre of town. And that's my

4641
06:53:05,888 --> 06:53:10,513
time. Nope, no problem. Thank you very much. To all

4642
06:53:10,513 --> 06:53:13,873
three of you. So, um, maybe I could ask all

4643
06:53:13,894 --> 06:53:15,213
three of you to maybe just come up to the

4644
06:53:15,213 --> 06:53:18,593
microphone. And then if there's any questions from my colleagues,

4645
06:53:18,593 --> 06:53:21,793
uh, I know Councillor Downer, I believe I saw you.

4646
06:53:21,793 --> 06:53:25,828
Am I right? I was going to ask about. I

4647
06:53:25,828 --> 06:53:27,468
was going to ask about the timelines, but you put

4648
06:53:27,508 --> 06:53:29,948
that up. But while you're up there, I'll say congratulations

4649
06:53:30,769 --> 06:53:34,264
on getting to this milestone, well done. Thank you. Thank

4650
06:53:34,264 --> 06:53:40,785
you. Is there any questions, got Karan and Galler. Echoing

4651
06:53:40,785 --> 06:53:44,705
those comments. Thanks for the sticking with us along this

4652
06:53:44,966 --> 06:53:49,985
journey. Um, you've got such a complicated site. Everything from

4653
06:53:50,246 --> 06:53:55,745
Brownfields and Heritage to Parkland, uh, low density to medium

4654
06:53:55,785 --> 06:54:00,925
density and high density, just quite a complex site. And

4655
06:54:00,925 --> 06:54:06,785
the landscape has shifted considerably from beginning to today policy

4656
06:54:06,886 --> 06:54:13,405
changes, affordable housing incentives, development charges, uh, Parkland dedication, uh,

4657
06:54:13,766 --> 06:54:19,385
provincial regulations with respect to, uh, incentives and infrastructure. So

4658
06:54:19,385 --> 06:54:23,544
much has shifted. Is there, is there anything that is

4659
06:54:23,725 --> 06:54:26,744
holding you back from proceeding? Like is there still that

4660
06:54:27,165 --> 06:54:31,124
instability in the market and in the planning landscape, uh,

4661
06:54:31,405 --> 06:54:34,904
that would prevent you from moving forward on this project

4662
06:54:35,405 --> 06:54:39,624
in the timelines that you've established. That's question number one.

4663
06:54:39,624 --> 06:54:41,464
And question number two is there anything you've heard in

4664
06:54:41,464 --> 06:54:44,984
the policies locally that even tonight we talked about the

4665
06:54:45,325 --> 06:54:49,144
Ward West Heritage Conservation District. Is there anything we're doing

4666
06:54:49,245 --> 06:54:52,264
right now at City Hall that you have any concerns

4667
06:54:52,285 --> 06:54:55,864
about as you move forward with the project while the

4668
06:54:55,904 --> 06:54:57,464
landscape is still shifting around you.

4669
06:55:05,782 --> 06:55:08,241
Three Mr. Mayor. I'll jump in. There's a lot in

4670
06:55:08,241 --> 06:55:12,349
that question. It comes down to confidence. There is a

4671
06:55:12,389 --> 06:55:17,024
lack of confidence in the market. Uh, real. That has

4672
06:55:17,064 --> 06:55:19,424
happened over the last, uh, at the time that we've

4673
06:55:19,424 --> 06:55:21,424
been doing this project. We were far more confident about

4674
06:55:21,445 --> 06:55:24,633
starting four or five years ago. Than we are today.

4675
06:55:26,589 --> 06:55:31,928
When you see, um, deescalation of prices, real prices in

4676
06:55:31,928 --> 06:55:36,525
the world when costs haven't come down. For all manner

4677
06:55:36,525 --> 06:55:39,565
of reasons. That's what's happened in the, in the blockage

4678
06:55:39,605 --> 06:55:43,698
of market housing. And that has to work its way

4679
06:55:43,738 --> 06:55:47,098
out still. There's kind of predictions of a couple of

4680
06:55:47,098 --> 06:55:51,378
years out will be in a more positive market again.

4681
06:55:51,378 --> 06:55:54,658
And, uh, as a group, we need to collectively get

4682
06:55:54,679 --> 06:55:57,938
a sense of that confidence building because we have a

4683
06:55:57,938 --> 06:56:00,018
couple of years of work to do before we can

4684
06:56:00,058 --> 06:56:03,698
actually entertain the CPVS applications that would have to come

4685
06:56:03,738 --> 06:56:08,018
through. We have to, like you saw Fusion do at

4686
06:56:08,119 --> 06:56:11,050
Metalworks. We have to take the site apart. Uh, and

4687
06:56:11,311 --> 06:56:16,570
reconstruct trunk infrastructure that cuts through what was Ferguson Street

4688
06:56:16,751 --> 06:56:21,450
that went through the site. And that's years in the,

4689
06:56:21,450 --> 06:56:23,370
in the works and actually getting the record to site

4690
06:56:23,370 --> 06:56:27,770
conditions in place to entertain partners in the various projects.

4691
06:56:27,770 --> 06:56:32,490
So it's, it's, that's, that will be the sense. There's,

4692
06:56:32,490 --> 06:56:36,810
there's a building confidence in, uh, Guelph in the economy

4693
06:56:37,631 --> 06:56:42,490
and in the market that will have us start going.

4694
06:56:42,490 --> 06:56:44,970
That said, the lot of planning work that actually has

4695
06:56:44,970 --> 06:56:48,250
to happen from today to get some of these base

4696
06:56:48,290 --> 06:56:53,850
agreements in place with the partners and build that understanding

4697
06:56:54,111 --> 06:56:57,370
before we can actually have development partners in place as

4698
06:56:57,370 --> 06:57:01,373
well. So we're not, we're not idle. When this is

4699
06:57:01,373 --> 06:57:03,933
happening. Okay. Thank you for that summer. And I really

4700
06:57:04,034 --> 06:57:08,493
appreciated the opening comments from Susan about the legacy part

4701
06:57:08,533 --> 06:57:12,413
of this. That, you know, you over 30 years, you've

4702
06:57:12,834 --> 06:57:16,493
really want to make sure that this project, um, is

4703
06:57:16,493 --> 06:57:20,093
successful because it, from what I've seen in my 20

4704
06:57:20,133 --> 06:57:24,493
years on council, this is the singular largest kind of

4705
06:57:24,533 --> 06:57:28,813
redevelopment in this area. Um, so it's quite a legacy

4706
06:57:28,994 --> 06:57:31,053
piece. And thanks for sticking with us. I hope you'll

4707
06:57:31,074 --> 06:57:34,333
stick with us a little bit longer, get the shovels

4708
06:57:34,373 --> 06:57:37,562
in the ground. Cranes in the sky. Thanks. Great. Thank

4709
06:57:37,562 --> 06:57:45,076
you. Very much. Um, Council Galler is next. Okay. Uh,

4710
06:57:45,817 --> 06:57:47,876
and yeah, and just to, just to remind, and I'll

4711
06:57:47,916 --> 06:57:50,576
pull to you as well, Councillor Caten after Gallard. And

4712
06:57:50,576 --> 06:57:54,796
just a reminder that, uh. This is like the, the

4713
06:57:54,897 --> 06:57:59,676
urban design plan, um, so if the, just make sure

4714
06:57:59,857 --> 06:58:03,676
we're referencing that. Okay. Councillor Guard. Thank you. And through

4715
06:58:03,697 --> 06:58:07,136
worship, uh, to all of you. Thank you so much

4716
06:58:07,137 --> 06:58:11,276
for, for coming here today and presenting this blend. I've

4717
06:58:11,316 --> 06:58:14,556
mainly heard good things from the community. Uh, that are

4718
06:58:14,577 --> 06:58:19,036
looking forward to this development. Uh, there was one, one,

4719
06:58:19,036 --> 06:58:21,436
um, concerned resident that I wanted to bring some of

4720
06:58:21,476 --> 06:58:26,316
the questions about in terms of what was proposed originally

4721
06:58:26,337 --> 06:58:29,596
and what is proposed now. Can you clarify for me?

4722
06:58:29,596 --> 06:58:32,156
Has there been a significant change? I know that some

4723
06:58:32,156 --> 06:58:35,836
of the buildings moved around. Has the density increase decrease

4724
06:58:35,857 --> 06:58:40,476
and the total heights. Are we seeing more than what

4725
06:58:40,476 --> 06:58:44,589
was originally proposed just for, for clarity. So what you

4726
06:58:44,589 --> 06:58:46,589
saw in the original proposal that was up on the

4727
06:58:46,629 --> 06:58:51,549
screen earlier, uh, we presented 24 stories, uh, rated adjacent

4728
06:58:51,589 --> 06:58:53,149
to the Heritage Building. One of the things that we

4729
06:58:53,170 --> 06:58:56,669
heard from the community was that that is a drastic

4730
06:58:56,770 --> 06:59:00,909
change from five stories to 24 stories. It seems it

4731
06:59:00,949 --> 06:59:02,889
is a lot. And it seems like a lot. Um,

4732
06:59:02,930 --> 06:59:06,509
and so we took that information back and we reconfigured

4733
06:59:06,610 --> 06:59:09,849
the site in the process of reconfiguring the site. The

4734
06:59:09,849 --> 06:59:13,469
City also went through downtown Heights study. Um, which then

4735
06:59:13,810 --> 06:59:17,629
gave us greater density on the site, um, and in

4736
06:59:17,629 --> 06:59:21,949
order to help the city achieve their downtown goals for,

4737
06:59:21,949 --> 06:59:27,389
um, both residents and jobs. Um, we made some changes

4738
06:59:27,570 --> 06:59:33,069
to the site to both reduce the dramatic change between

4739
06:59:33,170 --> 06:59:37,469
the five and the 24 stories. Um, and also centre,

4740
06:59:37,469 --> 06:59:39,869
um, the 23 story building that we now have on

4741
06:59:40,450 --> 06:59:42,669
there, um, closer to the centre of the building so

4742
06:59:42,669 --> 06:59:45,869
that we also changed any of the shadowing on the

4743
06:59:45,869 --> 06:59:49,469
site. Um, so yeah, there have been some changes. There

4744
06:59:49,469 --> 06:59:52,029
are a reflection of the density and the heights that

4745
06:59:52,050 --> 06:59:55,709
the city gave us. Um, as well as listening to

4746
06:59:55,810 --> 06:59:59,530
community feedback and responding to that. Okay. Okay. I really

4747
06:59:59,570 --> 07:00:02,330
appreciate that clarification. So, so the changes were to, to

4748
07:00:02,370 --> 07:00:04,250
reduce the height a little bit and also to shift

4749
07:00:04,431 --> 07:00:08,090
it away from, uh, from the edges. Okay. I really

4750
07:00:08,090 --> 07:00:11,530
appreciate that. Uh, for the, uh, for the Shadow Studies,

4751
07:00:11,530 --> 07:00:14,210
uh, it points that 10 a. m. 4 p. m.

4752
07:00:15,151 --> 07:00:18,730
And then are those set by the city that the

4753
07:00:18,991 --> 07:00:21,690
times for those studies. And then the fact that they

4754
07:00:21,730 --> 07:00:24,330
were in the spring, summer and fall and not in

4755
07:00:24,330 --> 07:00:26,650
the winter. Is that, is that a city restriction that

4756
07:00:26,751 --> 07:00:29,270
you were following? Or did you sort of, you know,

4757
07:00:29,391 --> 07:00:34,804
pick times that worked well. Through you, Mr. Mayor. Yeah.

4758
07:00:34,804 --> 07:00:36,724
And in fact, I mean, Scott's helped answer this because

4759
07:00:36,764 --> 07:00:39,604
we did those strategies a while ago, but my, at

4760
07:00:39,625 --> 07:00:41,924
my recollection is that those are the key times that

4761
07:00:41,924 --> 07:00:46,404
they look at. They may also look at other times,

4762
07:00:46,404 --> 07:00:48,564
particularly in the summer, like at six o'clock, but we

4763
07:00:48,905 --> 07:00:51,284
did focus on that 10 to four period, which I

4764
07:00:51,284 --> 07:00:55,364
think is, is the primary concern wintertime, December shadows are

4765
07:00:55,364 --> 07:00:59,764
long everywhere. It's a little hard to really evaluate a

4766
07:00:59,764 --> 07:01:01,924
project based on winter shadows, but I did want to

4767
07:01:01,924 --> 07:01:03,524
point out that I didn't have a chance to kind

4768
07:01:03,524 --> 07:01:06,224
of go through those tiny little diagrams. But, you know,

4769
07:01:06,224 --> 07:01:08,324
we were careful. And this is why with the North

4770
07:01:08,345 --> 07:01:11,924
Parts, the one other change on the north parcel was

4771
07:01:11,964 --> 07:01:14,124
where we had before 10 and 12 story buildings. We

4772
07:01:14,124 --> 07:01:17,284
now have one 19 story buildings. And rather than having

4773
07:01:17,625 --> 07:01:20,564
too taller buildings, we recognise pulling that in going a

4774
07:01:20,564 --> 07:01:23,844
little taller. If anything had less of a shadow impact

4775
07:01:23,884 --> 07:01:26,884
on those backyards and those impacts are very minor on

4776
07:01:26,884 --> 07:01:28,924
a handful of properties and only in the morning. So

4777
07:01:29,305 --> 07:01:32,884
afternoon shadows really are well away from all private properties

4778
07:01:33,225 --> 07:01:36,244
and none of the neighbouring street surrounding streets will be

4779
07:01:37,145 --> 07:01:40,884
shadowed during the daytime. Okay. I really appreciate that. Uh,

4780
07:01:40,905 --> 07:01:43,284
and lastly with the win study, I noticed that there

4781
07:01:43,324 --> 07:01:46,324
was a good section that talked about it. How further

4782
07:01:46,364 --> 07:01:49,124
is the wind study go? I mean, could you clarify,

4783
07:01:49,124 --> 07:01:52,084
will this have impact on the surrounding streets? The wind

4784
07:01:52,265 --> 07:01:56,437
created by, by the buildings. Based through you, Mr. Mayor,

4785
07:01:56,477 --> 07:01:59,637
based on the wind study that was done, the significant

4786
07:01:59,677 --> 07:02:03,157
impacts that are expected, um, on the streets or even

4787
07:02:03,197 --> 07:02:06,037
within the site. And this is part of the massing

4788
07:02:06,037 --> 07:02:09,477
approach, having those transitions, putting tolera buildings onto a podium

4789
07:02:09,738 --> 07:02:13,397
really helps to mitigate wind impacts on the windy days.

4790
07:02:13,397 --> 07:02:16,277
I will point out though, and, you know, when we

4791
07:02:16,277 --> 07:02:18,837
go into a community planning permit application, we will need

4792
07:02:18,877 --> 07:02:21,877
to submit more detailed wind studies at that point for

4793
07:02:21,917 --> 07:02:24,677
individual buildings. So things will be looked at more closely

4794
07:02:24,778 --> 07:02:27,957
then and measures may have to be incorporated into the

4795
07:02:27,997 --> 07:02:31,717
design of the building to mitigate impact. So we did

4796
07:02:31,738 --> 07:02:34,197
a kind of high level initial study to understand what

4797
07:02:34,237 --> 07:02:37,967
we could do with massing to mitigate any impacts. Detailed

4798
07:02:37,967 --> 07:02:40,847
design will need to look at more closely at individual

4799
07:02:41,908 --> 07:02:44,607
properties and their context. Perfect. Thank you very much for

4800
07:02:44,708 --> 07:02:47,387
that. And through your worship, just one last question. Um,

4801
07:02:47,588 --> 07:02:50,447
in terms of the facing, I saw that phase one,

4802
07:02:50,447 --> 07:02:52,847
you're removing the buildings and then face two, you start

4803
07:02:52,847 --> 07:02:57,007
building them. What are your expected timelines for you to

4804
07:02:57,007 --> 07:02:59,327
get through phase one that the demolition part for us

4805
07:02:59,367 --> 07:03:08,677
to see the phase two begin. Through

4806
07:03:09,258 --> 07:03:13,693
three, Mr. Mayor. It largely will depend on, you know,

4807
07:03:13,974 --> 07:03:17,153
how things go with the approval processes with the city,

4808
07:03:17,153 --> 07:03:19,313
change in market, but we're looking like two to three

4809
07:03:19,353 --> 07:03:23,133
years. Um, so we, when we were talking about, um,

4810
07:03:23,574 --> 07:03:25,713
the market and the fact that we've got to, we're

4811
07:03:25,713 --> 07:03:28,673
in a down cycle right now, um, you know, time

4812
07:03:28,713 --> 07:03:31,153
is on our side in that sense because we're coming

4813
07:03:31,193 --> 07:03:33,793
to you with urban design master plan now during the

4814
07:03:33,974 --> 07:03:36,833
down cycle. We're hopeful that as we do all of

4815
07:03:36,833 --> 07:03:40,733
the work behind the scenes to get this project, you

4816
07:03:40,733 --> 07:03:43,693
know, out of the ground, um, that as we're, you

4817
07:03:43,693 --> 07:03:47,373
know, getting there that the market will also return. But

4818
07:03:48,054 --> 07:03:51,153
even simply like things like the CPP being held up,

4819
07:03:51,153 --> 07:03:53,393
um, that, you know, plays havoc with our timelines as

4820
07:03:53,393 --> 07:03:57,713
well. Okay. Okay. And just so that I understand two

4821
07:03:57,753 --> 07:04:00,273
to three years before you get into the phase where

4822
07:04:00,273 --> 07:04:01,873
you're building. But in the meantime, you would be doing

4823
07:04:02,054 --> 07:04:05,993
the demolition of the existing warehouses. Is that correct? Or

4824
07:04:05,993 --> 07:04:08,273
would you wait two to three years and then start

4825
07:04:08,313 --> 07:04:10,493
the demolitions? Yeah. A lot like I said, a lot

4826
07:04:10,493 --> 07:04:13,393
of it was dependent on the timelines in the market.

4827
07:04:13,574 --> 07:04:17,713
We, I mean, obviously us holding onto this site as

4828
07:04:17,713 --> 07:04:20,593
I talked about before every year that we wait in

4829
07:04:20,633 --> 07:04:24,273
this development, this site becomes more complex. You know, the

4830
07:04:24,313 --> 07:04:31,233
environmental, um, regulations change and become more stringent. Um, there

4831
07:04:31,273 --> 07:04:34,113
are more stringent rules around rail. Um, there are more

4832
07:04:34,534 --> 07:04:37,793
rules around heritage buildings. So every year we wait this

4833
07:04:37,793 --> 07:04:39,873
site becomes more and more difficult to develop. So it's

4834
07:04:39,873 --> 07:04:42,433
not our intention to wait. Um, but there will be

4835
07:04:42,433 --> 07:04:44,753
lots of things that, um, barriers that we have to

4836
07:04:44,774 --> 07:04:48,379
overcome in order to develop. Okay. Okay. Thank you for

4837
07:04:48,379 --> 07:04:51,259
that. Thank you, worship. All right. Thank you. Caden and

4838
07:04:51,259 --> 07:04:56,253
then Busatil. Thank you through you, Mr. Mayor. First off,

4839
07:04:56,274 --> 07:04:58,253
I really like it. I think it's a very cool

4840
07:04:58,514 --> 07:05:03,613
concept. I love the, the kind of market common area.

4841
07:05:03,613 --> 07:05:08,653
And, um, I, I've always, I moved too well from

4842
07:05:08,674 --> 07:05:11,773
bigger cities. So I'm not height adverse. Um, I think

4843
07:05:11,874 --> 07:05:13,693
that you kind of done it in a very thoughtful

4844
07:05:13,954 --> 07:05:16,493
way. And I like this stuff how it steps up.

4845
07:05:16,493 --> 07:05:20,893
Um, I have questions about just the accessibility through the

4846
07:05:20,893 --> 07:05:24,253
site. I saw within the design that there was kind

4847
07:05:24,253 --> 07:05:27,693
of like meandering pathways, which looks really nice design wise,

4848
07:05:27,693 --> 07:05:31,293
but accessibility wise, it's, it's a lot better for folks

4849
07:05:31,333 --> 07:05:33,533
to just kind of have a straight path through and

4850
07:05:33,533 --> 07:05:36,013
maybe have offshoots that are a little bit more laundry.

4851
07:05:36,013 --> 07:05:38,253
So I'm just wondering if that's something that you've considered

4852
07:05:38,354 --> 07:05:40,493
when you kind of think of your flow through throughout

4853
07:05:40,514 --> 07:05:47,858
the site. Thank you through you, Mr. Mayor, to the

4854
07:05:47,898 --> 07:05:52,678
Councillor. It's, um, it's something that we've spent a lot

4855
07:05:52,678 --> 07:05:57,818
of time on thinking about, uh, currently the, um, floodlines

4856
07:05:57,818 --> 07:06:01,098
that we need to maintain of the buildings outside of

4857
07:06:01,138 --> 07:06:06,858
the flood height. And so some of the meandering paths

4858
07:06:06,858 --> 07:06:11,258
that you're seeing us design are actually minor ramps to

4859
07:06:11,258 --> 07:06:14,458
get us up and down to various levels because of

4860
07:06:14,498 --> 07:06:17,818
the need to raise or lower the habitable floor heights.

4861
07:06:19,719 --> 07:06:21,778
This is something that's happened late in the day is

4862
07:06:21,818 --> 07:06:25,458
when we did that flood analysis and realised that the

4863
07:06:25,458 --> 07:06:28,418
project on the Duke Street side could actually act as

4864
07:06:28,439 --> 07:06:32,898
a levy and prevent everything eastward from actually being part

4865
07:06:32,898 --> 07:06:38,824
of the flood area. In the future. It changes our,

4866
07:06:38,824 --> 07:06:40,264
it will change our approach to some of the levels

4867
07:06:41,245 --> 07:06:44,644
and grades inside the project itself if that's accomplished. And

4868
07:06:44,644 --> 07:06:48,656
so grading actually becomes much more simpler. If we can

4869
07:06:48,757 --> 07:06:53,376
accomplish this initial levy of the floodway in the first

4870
07:06:53,416 --> 07:06:57,216
phase of that South project. And so it's, it's a

4871
07:06:57,237 --> 07:07:01,104
work in progress. Um, but we're, we're keenly aware and

4872
07:07:01,104 --> 07:07:06,270
looking at the grades constantly. Yeah. Some of those meandering

4873
07:07:06,371 --> 07:07:13,213
past are two accomplish accessibility on those grades. I might

4874
07:07:13,213 --> 07:07:15,933
just, I'm just at if I may, uh, as Ian

4875
07:07:15,973 --> 07:07:18,853
described, the site basically in the South Parson kind of

4876
07:07:18,853 --> 07:07:21,053
comes up to deal with the flooding issue. And the

4877
07:07:21,074 --> 07:07:23,573
rail yard obviously is not moving and stays down. So

4878
07:07:24,034 --> 07:07:26,813
in particular worked a lot with our landscape architect to

4879
07:07:26,813 --> 07:07:30,493
really understand how we can have an accessible crossing safe

4880
07:07:30,533 --> 07:07:32,893
and accessible acrossing. So there will certainly be a little

4881
07:07:33,074 --> 07:07:36,093
zigzagging there. They'll be stairs for those who want to

4882
07:07:36,114 --> 07:07:38,813
use stairs. But we gave a lot of that. There

4883
07:07:38,813 --> 07:07:39,853
were, I think a few back and forth to get

4884
07:07:39,853 --> 07:07:46,236
that right. I'm sure that you'll, you'll be working with

4885
07:07:46,257 --> 07:07:49,516
staff over stuff like that too, but overall I think

4886
07:07:49,516 --> 07:07:54,025
it's a great concept. Great. Thank you. And last is

4887
07:07:54,065 --> 07:07:59,524
Busatil, please. Thank you. And through the mayor and to

4888
07:07:59,524 --> 07:08:01,924
the delegations, you've come a long way since the first

4889
07:08:02,025 --> 07:08:04,884
public meeting that I went to. So awesome. And I

4890
07:08:04,884 --> 07:08:09,124
will echo what Councillor Caten said. Just love the design.

4891
07:08:09,164 --> 07:08:11,044
Um, I did have a question. I'm a little bit

4892
07:08:11,084 --> 07:08:13,924
confused. Maybe I'm just tired. It's been a long day.

4893
07:08:13,924 --> 07:08:17,364
Um, when you talk about, and yes, sacred heart needs

4894
07:08:17,385 --> 07:08:21,204
additional playground space. My kids have been there before. It's

4895
07:08:21,204 --> 07:08:24,950
not the greatest. I'm curious because it talks about an

4896
07:08:24,990 --> 07:08:28,070
agreement between the Wellington Catholic District School Board and the

4897
07:08:28,070 --> 07:08:31,170
City for Maintenance and program and things like that. Um,

4898
07:08:31,771 --> 07:08:35,030
was there an exploration about giving that strip to the

4899
07:08:35,070 --> 07:08:38,550
City of Guelph? I think of gateway school that has,

4900
07:08:38,550 --> 07:08:43,590
uh, school board land and City Land and programming space

4901
07:08:43,691 --> 07:08:47,190
there or waverly or a bunch of other places. I

4902
07:08:47,190 --> 07:08:51,934
was a little bit surprised by that. Through Mr. Mayor

4903
07:08:52,115 --> 07:08:58,254
to the Councillor. This has evolved since the initial unveiling

4904
07:08:58,294 --> 07:09:01,694
of it a couple of sessions ago. Um, we had

4905
07:09:01,734 --> 07:09:05,834
talked with parks and with the school board about, uh,

4906
07:09:06,195 --> 07:09:10,734
an actual shared, uh, facility where during the day it

4907
07:09:10,734 --> 07:09:13,614
would be largely off limits and controlled by the school

4908
07:09:13,654 --> 07:09:18,274
board. And during the evening and off season, it was

4909
07:09:18,274 --> 07:09:20,734
fully public park. And for which there would be this

4910
07:09:21,315 --> 07:09:25,934
agreement for maintenance and operations of it, uh, that's different

4911
07:09:25,955 --> 07:09:28,654
than some of the more suburban parks where you have

4912
07:09:29,155 --> 07:09:33,590
school board lands and city lands adjacent. But not overlapping.

4913
07:09:34,588 --> 07:09:37,447
And when it came down to was, um, parks came

4914
07:09:37,447 --> 07:09:40,807
back to us with the need for, um, the technical

4915
07:09:40,988 --> 07:09:47,047
need for the park dedication to be fully accessible, i.

4916
07:09:47,047 --> 07:09:49,687
e. like available to the public 24 hours a day.

4917
07:09:49,687 --> 07:09:55,207
They couldn't deal with the legality, if you like, of,

4918
07:09:55,207 --> 07:09:59,607
uh, receiving Parkland dedication that was not accessible 24 hours

4919
07:09:59,628 --> 07:10:03,207
a day. And hence the separation. So where we were

4920
07:10:03,207 --> 07:10:05,767
talking earlier about that strip of land contributing to a

4921
07:10:05,767 --> 07:10:09,367
bigger park, which would be shared, it's now being given

4922
07:10:09,388 --> 07:10:12,414
to the school board. With the same intent that is

4923
07:10:12,414 --> 07:10:15,694
actually a recreational facility for the community off hours and

4924
07:10:15,875 --> 07:10:19,111
off season. And so there is an expectation that there's

4925
07:10:19,151 --> 07:10:22,311
a, uh, a form of agreement between the city and

4926
07:10:22,332 --> 07:10:32,286
the school board for that facility. Thank you. Okay.

4927
07:10:32,547 --> 07:10:35,246
And actually a class and we'll bring us home here.

4928
07:10:35,246 --> 07:10:38,174
Go ahead. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And thank you for

4929
07:10:38,214 --> 07:10:43,294
the presentations. Um, I liked a lot about the, a

4930
07:10:43,294 --> 07:10:47,374
lot about it. It looks really exciting from a space

4931
07:10:47,374 --> 07:10:50,254
that I think is, as we all know, quite underutilized

4932
07:10:50,254 --> 07:10:52,814
by the public. It's not accessible really, uh, to something

4933
07:10:52,814 --> 07:10:55,774
that is, is going to bring a lot of new

4934
07:10:55,875 --> 07:10:59,674
availabilities to the public. So I'm excited about that, but

4935
07:10:59,674 --> 07:11:02,174
I'm going to get to my question. Um, there were

4936
07:11:02,174 --> 07:11:04,974
a couple of, of course, pieces of correspondence. And I

4937
07:11:04,974 --> 07:11:08,414
received a few emails from residents concerned about the heights

4938
07:11:08,755 --> 07:11:12,734
and the massing. And in one, I think, uh, in

4939
07:11:12,734 --> 07:11:16,494
one piece, the correspondence, it's attached to, um, the package.

4940
07:11:16,494 --> 07:11:21,014
There was, uh, McCommon about the heights. And if, or

4941
07:11:21,014 --> 07:11:23,934
maybe it was an email, I'm not sure. And I

4942
07:11:23,934 --> 07:11:29,294
think that on page 37, you outline, um, when apartment

4943
07:11:29,294 --> 07:11:31,774
buildings are greater than four stories. They shall generally incorporate

4944
07:11:32,035 --> 07:11:34,894
one to two - story grade related units. Um, and

4945
07:11:35,315 --> 07:11:38,814
their comment was, um, they really liked the metalworks and

4946
07:11:38,835 --> 07:11:42,334
how the metal work towns on either side contribute to

4947
07:11:42,374 --> 07:11:46,814
the street scape and feels very walkable and very accessible.

4948
07:11:46,814 --> 07:11:49,374
And so that you don't have, you know, single story

4949
07:11:49,395 --> 07:11:53,534
residential followed by, you know, amassing of a wall that

4950
07:11:53,635 --> 07:11:57,214
is accommodating a 24 story, 23 story building. Um, so

4951
07:11:57,254 --> 07:11:59,294
I was just wondering if you could speak to that

4952
07:11:59,334 --> 07:12:02,494
a little bit. Um, to talk about what that might

4953
07:12:02,515 --> 07:12:10,050
feel like, um, at the street level. Through you, Mr.

4954
07:12:10,050 --> 07:12:12,950
Mayor to the Councillor. Um, yeah, we, we agree that

4955
07:12:13,531 --> 07:12:17,510
Metalworks looks lovely. It faces out on the street in

4956
07:12:17,510 --> 07:12:19,990
a beautiful way that helps make it feel, uh, very

4957
07:12:20,030 --> 07:12:22,630
much like it fits into the residential neighbourhood. And so

4958
07:12:22,670 --> 07:12:24,950
we took note of that. Um, and it was one

4959
07:12:24,950 --> 07:12:27,070
of the things that we incorporated into our plan. So

4960
07:12:27,070 --> 07:12:29,510
I don't know if the misreading the plan, um, but

4961
07:12:29,550 --> 07:12:33,110
if you look at, um, Duke Street, um, there are

4962
07:12:33,110 --> 07:12:36,550
three stories running down there of, you know, townhouses along

4963
07:12:36,590 --> 07:12:39,910
the rail. We've tried to incorporate the same anywhere we

4964
07:12:39,950 --> 07:12:42,390
face out onto the community. We've tried to keep it

4965
07:12:42,411 --> 07:12:46,070
as low rise as possible, including on Elizabeth Street to

4966
07:12:46,070 --> 07:12:51,190
really try and keep that same feel of residential neighbourhood.

4967
07:12:51,190 --> 07:12:53,110
And our tall buildings have been pushed into the centre

4968
07:12:53,110 --> 07:12:56,230
of the site to create that cascading effect down to

4969
07:12:56,331 --> 07:13:01,274
the street that really, um. You know, on 10 acres,

4970
07:13:01,274 --> 07:13:04,714
um, it really does kind of swallow up those big

4971
07:13:04,895 --> 07:13:08,234
height buildings that are in the centre. Um, so I

4972
07:13:08,234 --> 07:13:11,274
don't know if they're misreading the drawing or a misunderstanding

4973
07:13:11,314 --> 07:13:14,074
it. Um, but we agree. Metal works faces out into

4974
07:13:14,114 --> 07:13:16,394
the street lovely. It's two and a half to three

4975
07:13:16,434 --> 07:13:19,034
and a half stories there. Ours are three. So we,

4976
07:13:19,034 --> 07:13:23,047
we tried to capture that as best we could. Thank

4977
07:13:23,047 --> 07:13:30,172
you. I appreciate that response. With that, um, nothing. Oh,

4978
07:13:30,193 --> 07:13:34,332
I'm circling, one question from, uh, from Councillor Coron. And

4979
07:13:34,332 --> 07:13:36,412
then we'll go, we just have three more delegations, everybody

4980
07:13:36,433 --> 07:13:38,572
just remember. Okay. Go ahead. It is a really quick

4981
07:13:38,673 --> 07:13:41,452
question. What would you like us to call it? Should

4982
07:13:41,452 --> 07:13:43,372
we call it plant number two or should we be

4983
07:13:43,412 --> 07:13:46,897
calling it Midtown Village? What do you, what do you

4984
07:13:46,897 --> 07:13:51,723
folks call it. Through Mr. Man. Thanks for the question.

4985
07:13:51,824 --> 07:13:55,403
We, we, um, very carefully called a plant number two.

4986
07:13:56,149 --> 07:13:59,148
Mis have villages our corporate name for the holdings. The

4987
07:13:59,148 --> 07:14:01,168
land holdings. And that's what staff have picked up on

4988
07:14:01,349 --> 07:14:05,568
because that is the legal ownership title of the property.

4989
07:14:05,568 --> 07:14:08,048
But it's plant number two to us as a working

4990
07:14:08,069 --> 07:14:16,969
title to eventual, um, building names. Let us know if

4991
07:14:17,009 --> 07:14:20,354
the name change. All right. Thank you very much. We

4992
07:14:20,354 --> 07:14:22,554
appreciate the three of you very much for coming and

4993
07:14:22,594 --> 07:14:28,852
delegating Mike Darmon. From Guelph. Community for act of transportation.

4994
07:14:28,852 --> 07:14:32,762
Gcat. I bet you we know what you're going to

4995
07:14:32,762 --> 07:14:38,427
say. We appreciate you Mike. Thank you for sticking around

4996
07:14:38,448 --> 07:14:41,107
for the whole, uh, whole night. And then Michelle, I

4997
07:14:41,107 --> 07:14:43,627
see you. Oh, you see you're in the wings coming

4998
07:14:43,627 --> 07:14:49,280
down next. Mike over to you. Marigothy City Council and

4999
07:14:49,280 --> 07:14:51,440
the City staff. My name is Mike Darmon and I'm

5000
07:14:51,461 --> 07:14:54,000
Advocacy co - chair for the Guelph community for Active

5001
07:14:54,040 --> 07:14:59,007
Transportation. GCAT is pleased to finally see the woods to

5002
07:14:59,047 --> 07:15:01,247
plant to at this stage of the planning application process

5003
07:15:01,668 --> 07:15:05,727
as the walking, biking, transit and neighbourhood connectivity is finally

5004
07:15:05,748 --> 07:15:09,953
being revealed through this urban design master plan. I could

5005
07:15:09,974 --> 07:15:13,553
basically read verbatim, the introduction and vision for woods on

5006
07:15:13,553 --> 07:15:16,353
the first page because it encompasses an exciting and carefully

5007
07:15:16,454 --> 07:15:19,313
crafted urban design plan along with a once in a

5008
07:15:19,313 --> 07:15:23,473
generation opportunity to transform the legacy industrial site into a

5009
07:15:23,473 --> 07:15:27,233
new neighbourhood that will integrate well with the historic ward

5010
07:15:27,273 --> 07:15:31,229
neighbourhood and our downtown. Personally, I love the same Patrick's

5011
07:15:31,269 --> 07:15:34,509
Ward. And not just because I'm Irish. I bike through

5012
07:15:34,509 --> 07:15:36,589
it almost every day on my way to my sons

5013
07:15:36,610 --> 07:15:39,629
and my grandkids'house. I'm quite familiar with the woods two

5014
07:15:39,669 --> 07:15:42,589
plant site as it sits right beside where my grandkids

5015
07:15:42,690 --> 07:15:46,482
tend school at Sacred Heart. And we write our bikes

5016
07:15:47,783 --> 07:15:50,562
or walk to school together quite often. I'm excited to

5017
07:15:50,562 --> 07:15:52,962
hear that the playground area and Parkern will be expanded

5018
07:15:53,002 --> 07:15:55,442
through the Lanterns for from the woods of element and

5019
07:15:55,463 --> 07:15:57,922
that we can explore more areas safely after school with

5020
07:15:57,943 --> 07:16:02,845
the increased connectivity through to development. Affordable housing is arguably

5021
07:16:02,885 --> 07:16:06,205
the most talked about concern of citizens of Guelph. GCAT

5022
07:16:06,205 --> 07:16:09,085
looks at development which by design and location make overall

5023
07:16:09,106 --> 07:16:12,285
expensive cheaper by enabling a car light or car -

5024
07:16:12,285 --> 07:16:16,125
free lifestyle and more active transportation. Schools, you couldn't be

5025
07:16:16,125 --> 07:16:18,925
closer for Catholic and King George Public School is just

5026
07:16:18,946 --> 07:16:22,365
a 15 minute walk up here in the street and

5027
07:16:22,365 --> 07:16:26,033
up to 100 steps. Coffee shops, including the ward, neighbourhood

5028
07:16:26,073 --> 07:16:29,473
double rainbow cafe, Sugu Mercado for food, and Canada's smallest

5029
07:16:29,574 --> 07:16:33,153
bar will be more accessible via brilliant new cutthrough connection

5030
07:16:33,334 --> 07:16:36,193
to Alice Street. And of course our downtown will be

5031
07:16:36,193 --> 07:16:38,513
a major attraction to many other businesses that will bend

5032
07:16:38,513 --> 07:16:42,913
from this development's density and walkability. Local and regional transit

5033
07:16:43,014 --> 07:16:44,913
are also within a few minutes walk and with more

5034
07:16:44,953 --> 07:16:48,673
frequent go trains, including on weekends. I took the new

5035
07:16:50,294 --> 07:16:51,953
20 - minute no - stop go train to Kitchen

5036
07:16:52,134 --> 07:16:56,673
on Saturday. The work and pleasure possibilities are endless. I

5037
07:16:56,774 --> 07:16:59,153
kind of stress enough the importance of what this development

5038
07:16:59,254 --> 07:17:03,153
will enable through the implementation of protected minimum active transportation

5039
07:17:03,174 --> 07:17:07,847
network grid. Similar to what the Iron Horse Trail has

5040
07:17:07,868 --> 07:17:10,967
achieved in KW and attracting high quality high - density

5041
07:17:11,148 --> 07:17:16,007
residential and commercial developments along its transit and protected active

5042
07:17:16,047 --> 07:17:20,727
transportation minimum grid systems. We can achieve similar in Guelph

5043
07:17:21,148 --> 07:17:24,327
and extending our primary active transportation rail trail is one

5044
07:17:24,327 --> 07:17:27,367
of the lowest costs, safest, and most enjoyable ways to

5045
07:17:27,407 --> 07:17:30,967
achieve it. When protected minimum grid networks are connected by

5046
07:17:31,228 --> 07:17:33,767
safe crossings and connected to places where people need to

5047
07:17:34,268 --> 07:17:37,367
shop, work and play, they will encourage people to try

5048
07:17:37,468 --> 07:17:41,527
alternative mobility options like walking and bike in transit. The

5049
07:17:41,708 --> 07:17:46,807
woods development design encourages this lifestyle shift within and expands

5050
07:17:46,847 --> 07:17:51,634
active mobility options outward in many directions. Trail development. I've

5051
07:17:51,674 --> 07:17:54,674
delegated so many times for an extension of the existing

5052
07:17:54,935 --> 07:18:00,274
in north of downtown trans - Canada GTR rail trail.

5053
07:18:00,274 --> 07:18:02,834
With the recent Council approval of the McDonald Road and

5054
07:18:03,015 --> 07:18:06,274
Bridges structures EA along with the new war to downtown

5055
07:18:06,375 --> 07:18:08,834
Bridge, we now have the gateway to the extension from

5056
07:18:08,874 --> 07:18:12,194
the MacTonnell Bridge to Arthur Street. And with a much

5057
07:18:12,194 --> 07:18:17,154
improved trail crossing design, continuing from the woods to plant

5058
07:18:17,154 --> 07:18:19,794
on Duke Street, we will have a more direct, safer,

5059
07:18:19,794 --> 07:18:23,794
enjoyable act of transportation connection to the ward to Huron

5060
07:18:23,815 --> 07:18:26,914
Street. The Imoco site and the GID are just really

5061
07:18:26,935 --> 07:18:30,221
up the tracks. I would remind Council at the current

5062
07:18:30,482 --> 07:18:33,021
City Budget for all new trail development is completely out

5063
07:18:33,021 --> 07:18:35,981
of the town. Your budget cycle forecast. This development will

5064
07:18:36,002 --> 07:18:38,701
get us to Huren Street, but to continue the network

5065
07:18:38,741 --> 07:18:41,581
trail connection to Imiko and GID. We will need your

5066
07:18:41,621 --> 07:18:45,101
support to fund this expansion to Victoria Road area. We

5067
07:18:45,141 --> 07:18:47,501
are working closely with woods on our vision for Active

5068
07:18:47,541 --> 07:18:51,181
Transportation in, out, and throughout the development area, an extremely

5069
07:18:51,362 --> 07:18:54,441
pleased to see many of our ideas being incorporated, but

5070
07:18:54,441 --> 07:18:56,141
also thrilled to see even more than we could not

5071
07:18:56,242 --> 07:18:59,981
envision like that 24 - 7 accessible public path from

5072
07:18:59,981 --> 07:19:02,221
Al Street into the centre of the development, enabled by

5073
07:19:02,322 --> 07:19:06,336
woods. Um, GCAD is fully in support of the stack

5074
07:19:06,376 --> 07:19:08,416
of recommendations to support the master plan. I hope you

5075
07:19:08,437 --> 07:19:10,896
agree that this has been very thoughtfully planned to integrate

5076
07:19:10,917 --> 07:19:14,336
well into the historic award neighbourhood. And we'll vastly improve

5077
07:19:14,757 --> 07:19:18,336
this former industrial legacy site into a vibrant new community.

5078
07:19:18,336 --> 07:19:20,896
Overall, this development will make our CD continue to achieve

5079
07:19:21,077 --> 07:19:23,616
its ranking as one of the most livable cities to

5080
07:19:23,616 --> 07:19:26,416
live, work and play in. I am truly excited to

5081
07:19:26,456 --> 07:19:29,616
see it move to this stage of the planning application

5082
07:19:29,717 --> 07:19:35,042
process. Thanks. Thanks Mike. Thank you very, very much. Is

5083
07:19:35,063 --> 07:19:40,346
there any questions for Mike today? There is not, so

5084
07:19:40,346 --> 07:19:43,266
well done. Thank you very much. Thanks. And, uh, Michelle

5085
07:19:43,527 --> 07:19:47,426
Bowman's on her way down. And then bringing us to

5086
07:19:47,426 --> 07:19:49,586
the end is Barbara and Scott in the front row

5087
07:19:49,626 --> 07:19:51,266
there. You're in the wings. Okay. The two of you.

5088
07:19:52,892 --> 07:19:55,751
So Michelle, welcome again. And over to you whenever you're

5089
07:19:55,751 --> 07:20:03,270
ready. Okay. Is this working. Yeah. So as we have

5090
07:20:03,270 --> 07:20:07,510
heard, there are many advantages to the pro's Midtown village

5091
07:20:07,691 --> 07:20:13,030
or Plant II, an active transport corridor, a larger schoolyard,

5092
07:20:13,030 --> 07:20:17,110
built within the City's footprint. And one of my favourites,

5093
07:20:17,110 --> 07:20:22,778
all the native plantings. However, the generally positive public reception

5094
07:20:23,039 --> 07:20:26,058
in the community cited in the staff report largely came

5095
07:20:26,159 --> 07:20:34,218
before the increased building heights. So 1B, building 1B, moved

5096
07:20:34,218 --> 07:20:38,778
closer to existing housing, 1C doubled from 8 to 19

5097
07:20:39,119 --> 07:20:44,298
stories. The height's fronting on Duke Street, large part doubled

5098
07:20:44,338 --> 07:20:48,058
from 2 to 3 stories. 2A from 9 to 14

5099
07:20:48,719 --> 07:20:52,698
and 2B from 16 to 23. Um, so we're glad

5100
07:20:52,719 --> 07:20:56,378
that the 24 decreased to 16, but there were a

5101
07:20:56,378 --> 07:20:59,689
lot of increases as well. When the newest plan was

5102
07:20:59,790 --> 07:21:03,369
presented in the I live or lived in the ward

5103
07:21:03,369 --> 07:21:06,809
group, um, not by me, by the way, there were

5104
07:21:06,809 --> 07:21:11,369
about 40 very negative comments and 10 positive ones and

5105
07:21:11,369 --> 07:21:15,049
the positive ones came from outside the ward. So concerns

5106
07:21:15,710 --> 07:21:20,969
included the height increases, low demand for condos, traffic, loss

5107
07:21:20,969 --> 07:21:24,969
of heritage and affordability, all of which I'll talk about.

5108
07:21:24,969 --> 07:21:28,629
But I'd like to start with the parkland. So, um,

5109
07:21:28,990 --> 07:21:32,249
proposed building to these sits on land that was slated

5110
07:21:32,270 --> 07:21:37,689
for parks and open space in the downtown secondary plan.

5111
07:21:37,689 --> 07:21:42,649
Um, so building it would add to our parkland deficit.

5112
07:21:42,649 --> 07:21:46,089
Instead, point four acres was donated to the school, which

5113
07:21:46,270 --> 07:21:51,529
residents appreciate. Um, and the rest of the half acre

5114
07:21:51,569 --> 07:21:56,329
came from required setbacks. So in the by - law

5115
07:21:56,670 --> 07:22:02,249
20717 10b, it says in 800 - unit development would

5116
07:22:02,270 --> 07:22:07,609
require about 1. 66 hectares of parkland, but they're only

5117
07:22:07,609 --> 07:22:12,409
providing 0. 9. So that's 56 percent of what's required

5118
07:22:13,310 --> 07:22:17,449
The existing schoolyard makes up the rest to get to

5119
07:22:17,489 --> 07:22:22,619
the minimum requirement. So as I mentioned, there's concern that

5120
07:22:23,200 --> 07:22:26,619
condos are not in demand. We CNBC that the federal

5121
07:22:26,640 --> 07:22:32,972
government is buying empty condos. Traffic was also a big

5122
07:22:32,993 --> 07:22:39,132
concern for local residents, um, feeding onto Elizabeth as manageable,

5123
07:22:39,132 --> 07:22:42,332
but feeding on to Huron, which is directly adjacent to

5124
07:22:42,353 --> 07:22:46,092
the school is problematic. And I'm not sure about the

5125
07:22:46,193 --> 07:22:51,452
idea not to fence a schoolyard that is directly adjacent

5126
07:22:51,452 --> 07:22:56,252
to a laneway that hundreds of residents will be using.

5127
07:22:57,456 --> 07:23:01,035
Um, main for commercial spaces are also important for a

5128
07:23:01,075 --> 07:23:06,632
walkable neighbourhood. There's very minimal one cafe. And I think

5129
07:23:06,813 --> 07:23:10,952
one other, um, so I was glad to see staff

5130
07:23:11,053 --> 07:23:15,012
are looking to secure more non - residential uses, but

5131
07:23:15,012 --> 07:23:17,112
I think we should ensure that these make it into

5132
07:23:17,133 --> 07:23:21,149
the final plan. So we heard about the ward heritage

5133
07:23:21,410 --> 07:23:27,229
conservation district earlier. And this plan doesn't conform to some

5134
07:23:27,229 --> 07:23:35,629
of those recommendations. So again, heritage plan emphasizes commercial uses,

5135
07:23:35,629 --> 07:23:40,109
which are traditional in the ward. It directs that a

5136
07:23:40,109 --> 07:23:43,469
maximum height of one or two stories or suggests hopes

5137
07:23:43,469 --> 07:23:47,629
that they'll just be one or two stories adjacent to

5138
07:23:47,650 --> 07:23:53,637
streets like Duke and Huron. Um, and the last, and

5139
07:23:53,637 --> 07:23:56,697
maybe most important thing is that the ward residents care

5140
07:23:56,718 --> 07:24:01,177
deeply that the neighbourhood remain affordable for the working class

5141
07:24:01,217 --> 07:24:05,497
that built it. So Guel's affordable housing strategy says we

5142
07:24:05,537 --> 07:24:10,297
need 33 percent of all new builds to be affordable.

5143
07:24:10,297 --> 07:24:16,057
And that definition is the provinces. Um, which is only

5144
07:24:16,158 --> 07:24:22,236
affordable for the top 40 percent of our city. So

5145
07:24:22,236 --> 07:24:27,676
I think the community is asking that the developers make

5146
07:24:27,716 --> 07:24:31,836
as much of these as many of these units as

5147
07:24:31,876 --> 07:24:35,196
portable as possible. And I think it's a fair ask

5148
07:24:35,377 --> 07:24:40,476
that if the developers say they just can't meet this,

5149
07:24:40,516 --> 07:24:44,243
they, they can't make it work. With higher levels of

5150
07:24:44,504 --> 07:24:48,003
affordable units that it's fair for us to ask about

5151
07:24:48,184 --> 07:24:53,203
their profit margins. So show us how it's not possible

5152
07:24:53,544 --> 07:24:57,203
to get more affordable units in this development. Um, but

5153
07:24:57,224 --> 07:25:01,283
I'd like to, and where I started and that there

5154
07:25:01,283 --> 07:25:06,705
is lots of advantages to this development. Thank you. Okay.

5155
07:25:06,705 --> 07:25:08,906
Thank you. Is there any follow - up questions. For

5156
07:25:08,946 --> 07:25:13,572
this delegate. There isn't. So thank you very much. And

5157
07:25:14,313 --> 07:25:17,172
last is Barbara Man and Scott Frederick on behalf of

5158
07:25:17,212 --> 07:25:21,797
the Ward Residence Association. Come on down.

5159
07:25:28,758 --> 07:25:32,568
Thank you. Hello again. And thank you for having us.

5160
07:25:32,568 --> 07:25:34,088
And thank you for all the hard work that you

5161
07:25:34,128 --> 07:25:37,508
guys have done with the community and with staff. Um,

5162
07:25:38,109 --> 07:25:40,488
Michelle mentioned a lot of things that we've heard and

5163
07:25:40,528 --> 07:25:43,128
we hear often about developments. So I'm going to throw

5164
07:25:43,168 --> 07:25:48,118
some, some ideas for solutions to add it. While this

5165
07:25:48,158 --> 07:25:51,398
has a 1. 2 spaces per unit of parking, which

5166
07:25:51,499 --> 07:25:55,318
is more than the minimum that's required, it still doesn't

5167
07:25:55,419 --> 07:25:57,638
mean that as we've said to you over and over,

5168
07:25:57,678 --> 07:26:00,358
people move here from cities like Montreal, they move here

5169
07:26:00,379 --> 07:26:03,598
from Toronto and they end up buying a car. So

5170
07:26:03,899 --> 07:26:06,918
what we're saying to you today is that the leadership

5171
07:26:07,019 --> 07:26:10,038
of Guelph, which is in front of us, has a

5172
07:26:10,038 --> 07:26:13,158
couple years to fix our public transit and bring it

5173
07:26:13,198 --> 07:26:15,958
up to the state that is expected for this day

5174
07:26:15,998 --> 07:26:18,358
and age. If you're looking at Kitchener, I don't know

5175
07:26:18,358 --> 07:26:20,498
if you've seen their transit hub that they're building, but

5176
07:26:20,539 --> 07:26:24,758
it's incredible. And it's our time to join into that.

5177
07:26:24,798 --> 07:26:26,998
Any of us who've been anywhere else in the world,

5178
07:26:26,998 --> 07:26:28,358
we come home and go, I'm going to get on

5179
07:26:28,358 --> 07:26:30,358
the bus. And then when you go, but it's going

5180
07:26:30,358 --> 07:26:34,278
to be such a household to get where I'm going.

5181
07:26:34,278 --> 07:26:36,198
And that also means that I think it's up to

5182
07:26:36,198 --> 07:26:40,758
the developers to start demanding that now as well so

5183
07:26:40,758 --> 07:26:44,118
that that doesn't create the chaos that we all know

5184
07:26:44,219 --> 07:26:47,798
is going to come as Michelle is this describing about,

5185
07:26:47,798 --> 07:26:52,358
um, congestion, about parking problems in a neighbourhood that's already

5186
07:26:52,619 --> 07:26:56,278
very, very challenged. Uh, the second part is about the

5187
07:26:56,379 --> 07:26:59,718
heights. That is a huge concern because the plan has

5188
07:26:59,899 --> 07:27:03,638
changed a lot. But another idea was how about what

5189
07:27:03,678 --> 07:27:06,518
we in Ontario call micro units to bring the height

5190
07:27:06,539 --> 07:27:10,198
down. But what everybody else in Europe, New York City,

5191
07:27:10,198 --> 07:27:15,158
et cetera, considers a normal smile apartment. Um, I think

5192
07:27:15,198 --> 07:27:17,718
these are things that we can be looking at to

5193
07:27:17,739 --> 07:27:22,358
try and bring breast practices to go off some of

5194
07:27:22,358 --> 07:27:27,122
the challenges that we see in the future. Uh, so

5195
07:27:27,122 --> 07:27:31,762
I'm talking about the parkland now. Um, sorry. We're pleased

5196
07:27:32,263 --> 07:27:37,442
that, um, the dedicated, I thought it was more than

5197
07:27:37,703 --> 07:27:40,002
a minimum, but Michelle thought it was less. I don't

5198
07:27:40,042 --> 07:27:42,242
have to look at the numbers again. Uh, but it's

5199
07:27:42,282 --> 07:27:44,962
good to have linear parks, but it's also important to

5200
07:27:44,962 --> 07:27:48,802
have larger tracks and accommodate sports field, which we're short

5201
07:27:48,802 --> 07:27:54,564
of. And we're losing opportunities to create that. And on

5202
07:27:54,604 --> 07:27:58,324
the eco park rail trail, this is most of the

5203
07:27:58,345 --> 07:28:02,564
parkland dedication and it's about 50 metres wide, including the

5204
07:28:02,745 --> 07:28:06,084
Guelph junction railway right away, which is about 20 metres

5205
07:28:06,185 --> 07:28:10,408
wide. The drawings show this corridor to be mostly fenced

5206
07:28:10,408 --> 07:28:13,688
off. This means that possibly up to half of the

5207
07:28:13,789 --> 07:28:18,088
eco park will be fenced off from public access. Now

5208
07:28:18,088 --> 07:28:21,832
currently there's no offence. And the access to the whole

5209
07:28:21,872 --> 07:28:25,225
corridor and have been for many decades. Uh, we would

5210
07:28:25,225 --> 07:28:28,745
like to see these fences to be as close to

5211
07:28:28,846 --> 07:28:32,071
the rail line as possible. We could take as an

5212
07:28:32,071 --> 07:28:36,231
example, the Kent Street Rail Corridor or even better the

5213
07:28:36,252 --> 07:28:41,634
trans candidate trail that's parallel to Duffren Street. Um, that

5214
07:28:41,674 --> 07:28:45,657
seems to work perfectly safely. So I don't see why

5215
07:28:45,678 --> 07:28:50,217
we couldn't have that kind of setback to the fence.

5216
07:28:50,217 --> 07:28:54,057
And then we'd have much larger, uh, public space available.

5217
07:28:55,168 --> 07:28:57,067
Uh, it's not much of a public space of its

5218
07:28:57,107 --> 07:29:01,288
fenced off. You can't go there. And that is it.

5219
07:29:01,709 --> 07:29:03,848
Some dead. Okay. Um, one thing that I'm very confident

5220
07:29:03,949 --> 07:29:07,448
about having met one of the tenants at nine, Elizabeth

5221
07:29:07,549 --> 07:29:11,288
Street is that, well, the affordability is a challenge with

5222
07:29:11,309 --> 07:29:14,728
this, the accessibility of the units, I think, is going

5223
07:29:14,728 --> 07:29:18,808
to be above standard because I understand that that tenant

5224
07:29:19,149 --> 07:29:22,008
took five years to find somewhere where she could shower

5225
07:29:23,229 --> 07:29:27,848
in her wheelchair. And that, um, Susan and her team

5226
07:29:27,949 --> 07:29:31,448
has asked her to be a consultant on these, on

5227
07:29:31,448 --> 07:29:35,288
the development with this. The affordability part is huge. Our

5228
07:29:35,328 --> 07:29:39,048
neighbourhood is known for being affordable from rent gear to

5229
07:29:39,088 --> 07:29:42,168
income through the luxury accommodation. And that's one of the

5230
07:29:42,208 --> 07:29:44,328
big things that I fear with this is that there

5231
07:29:44,368 --> 07:29:49,528
won't be that within this partial community, uh, within the

5232
07:29:49,709 --> 07:29:51,448
ward. And I hope that that's something that can be

5233
07:29:51,488 --> 07:29:53,808
looked to. And we have, we keep reminding you. We

5234
07:29:53,808 --> 07:29:56,648
have one of the oldest best examples at Victor Davis

5235
07:29:56,749 --> 07:30:02,070
Park right on Steve Street. Great. Thank you both. Thank

5236
07:30:02,091 --> 07:30:05,223
you very much. Is there any follow - up questions

5237
07:30:05,484 --> 07:30:11,966
for the representatives from the award residents association. Nobody think

5238
07:30:11,966 --> 07:30:16,988
you again. All right, everybody. It is back to us.

5239
07:30:17,028 --> 07:30:22,588
There is a recommendation for this Midtown village concept plan.

5240
07:30:23,709 --> 07:30:29,368
B, supported. Um, I would imagine the councillors would love

5241
07:30:29,368 --> 07:30:33,368
to maybe do that. Okay. I'll go Klausen and, and

5242
07:30:33,629 --> 07:30:38,168
Galler. We'll move in second that is there anything more.

5243
07:30:38,168 --> 07:30:39,768
And again, this is just, this is an urban design

5244
07:30:39,808 --> 07:30:42,088
master plan. It's not like the applications we had earlier

5245
07:30:42,189 --> 07:30:45,608
at all. Um, all that stuff comes way later as

5246
07:30:45,869 --> 07:30:48,248
the staff and the proponents both said. So this is

5247
07:30:48,288 --> 07:30:51,208
just saying, yep, they're on the right track. Right. But

5248
07:30:51,229 --> 07:30:54,488
all the details stuff comes later. So is there anything

5249
07:30:55,389 --> 07:30:57,688
about this that we need to say anything more on

5250
07:30:58,269 --> 07:31:04,207
colour. Thank you through your worship. Um, I have a

5251
07:31:04,207 --> 07:31:06,527
couple of full of questions for step for staff because

5252
07:31:06,567 --> 07:31:08,767
we did ask the developer, but I just wanted to

5253
07:31:08,788 --> 07:31:14,207
verify. Just confirmation from you that the wind impact the

5254
07:31:14,388 --> 07:31:17,647
shadow studies and they were all done in accordance with

5255
07:31:17,687 --> 07:31:20,607
the City guidelines. And then they meet your requirements. Is

5256
07:31:20,607 --> 07:31:28,768
that correct? That is correct. Uh, those precise dates that

5257
07:31:28,808 --> 07:31:34,048
the applicant identified are also within our terms of reference

5258
07:31:34,629 --> 07:31:37,488
for sun and shadow studies with the City of Guelph.

5259
07:31:37,488 --> 07:31:40,288
So, um, okay. Yeah. Just wanted to clarify that that

5260
07:31:40,869 --> 07:31:43,328
and the, the traffic impact study, I believe that there

5261
07:31:43,368 --> 07:31:46,348
was a reference to a baseline in 1995. Can you

5262
07:31:46,348 --> 07:31:51,488
help me understand, um, when we look at that, what

5263
07:31:51,488 --> 07:31:54,528
did we use such an early date for, for, for

5264
07:31:54,528 --> 07:31:58,466
the baseline. Just so that, that I understand that, you

5265
07:31:58,466 --> 07:32:02,086
know, does it fully meet the cities requirements, um, the

5266
07:32:02,187 --> 07:32:05,206
traffic study. And we believe I just need the verbal

5267
07:32:05,246 --> 07:32:09,761
confirmation. So they would have completed their traffic study requirements.

5268
07:32:09,761 --> 07:32:12,161
And accordance with the requirements that were provided or the

5269
07:32:12,201 --> 07:32:15,921
direction and guidance given by our transportation engineers and transportation

5270
07:32:15,942 --> 07:32:18,861
planning staff and house. So I would have to, uh,

5271
07:32:19,062 --> 07:32:22,081
speak to our transportation planners in hoes to get a

5272
07:32:22,182 --> 07:32:24,481
precise answer on that. But I could certainly get back

5273
07:32:24,481 --> 07:32:26,241
to you. Okay. No, but that is fair. I mean,

5274
07:32:26,422 --> 07:32:30,001
they're following your requirements. I appreciate that. Um, and as

5275
07:32:30,022 --> 07:32:33,041
each phase gets built and each building gets built, will

5276
07:32:33,081 --> 07:32:35,601
there be more detailed studies to confirm that the streets

5277
07:32:35,622 --> 07:32:39,085
can indeed take that capacity. That's correct. Okay. Okay. So

5278
07:32:39,706 --> 07:32:41,845
one at a time. Um, and let's see, the question

5279
07:32:41,845 --> 07:32:45,925
about Parkland, will that be addressed? When does that get

5280
07:32:45,965 --> 07:32:49,285
addressed and when does the parkland dedication, when do we

5281
07:32:49,325 --> 07:32:51,925
confirm that we're getting what we require in terms of

5282
07:32:52,346 --> 07:32:56,005
whether it is green space or in new payments or

5283
07:32:56,005 --> 07:33:05,270
what stage of the process do we confirm that. So.

5284
07:33:05,802 --> 07:33:08,421
We will take the parkland dedication as the phases come

5285
07:33:08,421 --> 07:33:12,101
in. And we'll ensure that the overall parkland, um, based

5286
07:33:12,101 --> 07:33:15,221
on the entire site, um, is received ultimately, but it

5287
07:33:15,221 --> 07:33:19,381
would be assumed if we take within each phase. Okay.

5288
07:33:19,562 --> 07:33:23,281
And where there's none of green space available, then the

5289
07:33:23,281 --> 07:33:26,132
city would take payment in lieu. Is that correct? That's

5290
07:33:26,172 --> 07:33:29,892
correct. Okay. Okay. I really just wanted to appreciate that.

5291
07:33:29,892 --> 07:33:34,692
And just your worship comments if I may. Um, I,

5292
07:33:34,692 --> 07:33:37,492
uh, I know that projects like this can be divisive

5293
07:33:37,593 --> 07:33:39,892
when the big change in the community, but I ultimately

5294
07:33:40,073 --> 07:33:44,052
believe that the work that this developer is doing between

5295
07:33:44,153 --> 07:33:47,652
putting up the flood barriers to get a large portion

5296
07:33:47,753 --> 07:33:50,172
of the word out of the floodplain is going to

5297
07:33:50,172 --> 07:33:55,492
be very positive. Uh, transportation advocates mentioned. I really appreciate

5298
07:33:55,833 --> 07:33:58,692
that they are bringing in the connection from the downtown

5299
07:33:59,273 --> 07:34:00,852
all the way to Huren Street. I think that's going

5300
07:34:00,852 --> 07:34:04,772
to be a very big positive for, for the community.

5301
07:34:04,772 --> 07:34:07,812
Um, and I, I like the thoughtfulness that they have

5302
07:34:07,852 --> 07:34:13,652
taken to include the more apartments into the word, which

5303
07:34:13,673 --> 07:34:17,092
ultimately will increase affordability. Um, I think that it is,

5304
07:34:17,092 --> 07:34:20,292
it is well designed and well thought through. And I'm

5305
07:34:20,313 --> 07:34:25,984
happy to support this, uh, design guidelines. Great. Thank you

5306
07:34:26,185 --> 07:34:31,364
Councillor Galler. Can I call the vote then on the

5307
07:34:31,364 --> 07:34:35,771
support for this urban design master plan. Great. I'm going

5308
07:34:35,771 --> 07:34:38,691
to do that right now. Um, all I'm going to

5309
07:34:38,691 --> 07:34:45,772
say is, um, I love it. There you go. So

5310
07:34:46,593 --> 07:34:51,812
is there anybody against. Nobody that's unanimous? All the best

5311
07:34:51,852 --> 07:34:54,758
in the next steps, uh, in front of you. To

5312
07:34:54,798 --> 07:34:59,839
bring this to life. And Councillor Galler. Over to you

5313
07:34:59,940 --> 07:35:02,399
if you don't mind to help us with the bylaws,

5314
07:35:02,399 --> 07:35:11,759
please. Um, that by us, 2026, 21, 255, 2026, 21,

5315
07:35:11,940 --> 07:35:20,639
26, one 2026, 21, 270 through 2026, 21, 272,

5316
07:35:20,679 --> 07:35:29,439
2026, 21 to 75, 2026, 21, 276 and 2026, 21,

5317
07:35:29,439 --> 07:35:35,999
280. Be approved subject to subsection 284 dot 114 of

5318
07:35:35,999 --> 07:35:41,086
the municipal act. Council Coron. You're okay to thank you

5319
07:35:41,347 --> 07:35:43,761
to second that. Thank you very much. Anything on the

5320
07:35:44,022 --> 07:35:48,656
bylaws anyone. No? Okay. I'm going to call the vote

5321
07:35:48,656 --> 07:35:54,371
on the Bylaws. Is anybody against. Nobody that's unanimous as

5322
07:35:54,371 --> 07:35:59,196
well. I'm going to find a couple people that have

5323
07:35:59,196 --> 07:36:04,073
been quiet. To move adjournment. I think billings and chew.

5324
07:36:05,689 --> 07:36:09,120
Will do that for us. And I'm calling the voters.

5325
07:36:09,120 --> 07:36:16,608
Does anyone against adjournment. Nobody. That's unanimous. A very thorough

5326
07:36:16,789 --> 07:36:21,743
meeting everybody, but we got through it. Congratulations. And thank

5327
07:36:21,783 --> 07:36:23,823
you to staff and all the delegates too. Have a

5328
07:36:23,823 --> 07:36:26,223
great rest of the night. We are adjourned.