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Good afternoon, Guelph. I'd like to call to order the

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August 13th, 2026 hearing of the Gulf Committee of Adjustment.

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This hearing is being held in a hybrid format and

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with attendees appearing in person and or remotely and as

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being live streamed and recorded. Please be advised the public

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hearings form part of the public record, and the words,

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images of those participating shall be recorded and posted online.

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I have received regrets from member membrano who will not

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be attending this hearing this evening. Before I outline the

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hearing format, if you're watching online and wish to speak

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to an application that's listed on our agenda and have

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not yet submitted a request in advance of the hearing,

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please call the number displayed on the screen now. That

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number is 519 - 822 - 1260. That's 519 -

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822 - 1260, and the extension is 2524. At that

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point, you will receive instructions on how to participate. For

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those attending the hearing in person, you'll also be given

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a chance to address our committee. A final call for

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delegations will be made when each application is called. The

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agenda for this hearing has been posted online at Guelph.

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ca - forward slash C - O - F -

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A. I will remind all committee members and staff participating

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in the hearing to please mute your microphone when nodding

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use. Applicants will be unmuted when their application is called.

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I don't also like to share the hearing format will

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be using to navigate through our meeting today. Each applicant

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will be called by the Secretary Treasurer and the call

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- in number for those wishing to speak to an

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application shall be displayed on the screen. Afterwards. The applicant

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will be given the opportunity to add any further anything

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further to their application to a maximum of 10 minutes.

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You will hear a chime when there are 30 seconds

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left and another when you're 10 minutes have elapsed. If

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you're an applicant and have nothing further to add, then

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you can simply say so. Following this for some file,

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staff may provide a brief presentation. Our committee will then

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be able to ask questions of the applicant or staff.

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After that, we will hear from members of the public

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who wish to comment on the application. Please note that

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all comments should be addressed through myself the chair. Please

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avoid repeating concerns already stated by others. And please focus

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on adding new information. Comments are limited to 10 minutes

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or less, and you will hear a chime when there

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are 30 seconds left and another, when you're 10 minutes

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have expired. For delegates that have advised staff in advance

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of the hearing that they wish to display a presentation,

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your presentation will be displayed on the screen and remote

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is available at the podium for delegates in - person

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to advance the slides. Any members of the public who

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have submitted a request to speak prior to the hearing

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will be the first invited to provide comments. For those

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wishing to bigger pardon. For those watching the hearing online,

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if you wish to speak to an application and have

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not yet submitted a request in advance of the hearing,

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please call the number displayed and you on the screen

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now, and you will be given a chance to come

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forward to the podium and address the committee. Once all

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comments from the public have been heard, the applicant or

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staff will be given the opportunity to respond to comments.

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Finally, as chair, I will turn the committee, turn to

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our committee for a motion and deliberation as well as

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a vote on the application. When the committee is making

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a decision on an application, as chair, I will be

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asking the Secretary Treasure to conduct the vote by roll

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call. Our Secretary of Treasure will call the call each

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of the members'name, and each member will respond if they

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are in favor or opposed to the motion. And as

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chair, I will announce the result of the vote. If

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you wish to receive a copy of the decision on

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an application, you must set, submit a written request. A

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written request can be made by contact sting staff at

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the contact information shown on the screen. To receive a

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copy of the decision, please email cofat. ca with your

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name, the file number that you're interested in. And note

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that owners and applicants automatically receive a copy of a

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decision. At this point, in our meeting, I'm going to

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read the territorial acknowledgement, and I would ask those that

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are able to please stand while I do so.

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As we gather, let us take time to reflect on

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our privilege to live and work in wealth. A CD

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built over rich Indigenous histories. We're guests here. We should

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reflect upon the responsibility to care for this land, the

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people who live here today, and the generations to come.

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If our actions today can move us towards reconciliation, we

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should take pause and make those decisions with intention and

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with gratitude. This place we call Guelph has served as

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traditional lands and a place of refuge for many peoples

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over time, but more specifically, the Adirondach and the Honashune.

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This land is held as the treaty lands and territory

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of the Mississaugas of the Credit First Nation. Guelph lies

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directly adjacent to the Haldeman track, and is part of

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long - established traditional hunting ground of the Six nations

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of the Grand River. Many First Nations Inuit and Maite

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people who have come from across Turtle Island called Gulf

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Home today. Thank you. At this point,

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Committee members, I'd like to entertain a motion on accepting

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the minutes from our July 9th meeting. Um, yes. Remember

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Mir. So moved into, and that's what's your name

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again? So remember Goodwill. Um, all those opposed. All those

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in favor. That carries Madam Secretary Treasurer. And apologies, member

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Good Phil. I had a brain cramp. I've confirmed with

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their Secretary Treasury that we have noed for all requests,

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and I will call now on our Secretary Treasurer to

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announce our first application. Madam Secretary Treasure. The first application

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is file A - 33 - 26. Variants to permit

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no Front Yard setback for proposed covered front porch and

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stairs at 166 London Road West. I'll note for those

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attending remotely if you wish to speak to this application,

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you can do so by calling the number displayed on

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the screen. That number's 519 - 822 - 1260 Extension

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2524. And when you call in staff, we'll give you

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instructions on how you can delegate remotely. It was the

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applicant present, or are they online. Online. Good afternoon. Can

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you state your name for the record, please? And your

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relationship to this application. Benjamin Percy, I am the applicant.

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Thank you, Mr. Percy. And, um, have you read Staff's

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comments? And are you in agreement. I am. And one

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other bit of business that we have to get out

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of the way is about the sign. Can you tell

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me if it was posted as per the planning act?

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The sign was posted, as per the Planning Act. That's

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awesome. So at this point, um, you may have heard

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in my opening remarks that you have 10 minutes to

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address our committee, so please go ahead. Um, I also,

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in your opening remarks, I said, if I don't have

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anything to add, I don't need to. Um, so I

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don't think I have anything to add. I think the

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proposal is there. Um, and I don't see that any

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comments have been made against it. Okay, that's to the

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point. Um, I'm going to ask staff if they have

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any presentation to make about this application. Seeing none. Are

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there any members of, oh, before I ask for the

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public, are any of our committee members interested in speaking

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to this application and asking questions of the applicant. Seeing

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none, I'm going to now turn to the public. Madam

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Secretary Treasurer, are there any delegates online. Mr. Chair can

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confirm there are no registered delegates. Thank you. And, um,

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is there anyone in the gallery that would like to

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speak to this application. Seeing none, committee members, what is

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your wish. Member speers. I move that we accept this

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application as recommended by City staff. And do we have

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a seconder. Fitzpatrick? And is there any discussion on the

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motion before us. Seeing none, Madam Secretary Treasury, would you

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call the vote, please? Thank you, Chair Committee members, please

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indicate your vote by responding in favor or opposed to

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the motion, which is to approve the application. Chair Smith.

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In favor. Remember, Fitzpatrick. In favor. Goodfellow in favor. In

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favor. Remember Ross. In favor. And member spears. In favor.

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That's carried Mr. Chair. Uh, thank you, Madam Secretary Treasurer.

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To the applicant, your application has been approved, and your

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free to hang up or stay tuned for some more

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exciting episodes. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. May we

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have the next applicant, please, Madam Secretary. The next application

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is file A - 30 slash 26. Variants permit increased

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fence height and front yard at one West Hill Road.

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I'll note for those attending remotely, if you wish to

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speak to this application, you can do so by calling

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the number displayed on the screen. That number's 519 -

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822 - 1260 extension 2524. And when you call in

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staff, we'll give you instructions on delegating remotely. Thank you.

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I believe I see the applicant online, is that correct?

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Yes. Welcome, can you state your name for the record,

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please, and your relationship to this application. My name is

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Natasha Welch, and I'm one of the applicants. Thank you.

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And can you tell me if the sign was posted

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as per the planning act. Yes, they were. And have

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you read Staff's comments? And are you in agreement. I

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am in agreement. Thank you. As you may have heard

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with the opening of remarks, you have 10 minutes to

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address the committee, so please go ahead. Uh, yeah, I

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don't really have anything for further to add, uh, to

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the City's comments. Uh, it is, but yeah. So I

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think it pretty much is self - explained with what

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they have provided. Okay, thank you. Um, I'm going to

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turn to staff and see if they have, they do

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not have a presentation. Um, I'm going to ask, if

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any of my colleagues have any questions for you if

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you want to hang on for a moment, uh, Committee

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members, any questions of this applicant, seeing none, Madam Secretary

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Treasurer, is there anyone online who wishes to speak to

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this that's been registered. Mr. Chair, I can confirm there

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are no registered delegates. Thank you. And is there anyone

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in the gallery who would like to speak to this

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application. Seeing none, um, I'll entertain a motion, committee members,

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what is your wish? Remember Goodfella. I motion that we

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approve the application is recommended by City staff. Thank you,

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and we have a seconder. A second member Mir, is

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there any conversation or debate on this motion before us.

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Seeing none, um, Madam Secretary Treasurer, could you call the

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role, please? Thank you, Chair Committee members, please indicate your

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vote by responding in favor or opposed to the motion,

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which is to approve the application. Chair Smith in favor.

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Member Goodfellow in favor, member Mir. In favor. Remember Ross

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in favor. And member Spears in favor. Let's carry Mr.

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Chair. Thank you, Madam Secretary Treasurer. Your application has been

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approved. And you're free to leave the meeting if you

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wish. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Madam Secretary Treasurer,

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may we have the next applicant, please. The next file

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is file A - 31 slash 26. Variance to permit

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a pool patio fence and walkway within the natural heritage

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system NHS zone at 32 Spring Street. I'll know for

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those attending remotely. If you wish to speak to this

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application, you can do so by calling the number displayed

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on the screen. The number's 519 - 822 - 1260

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extension 2524. And when you call in SNAF, I'll give

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you instructions on how you can delegate remotely. Is the

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applicant in attendance? Yes, please come forward.

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Good afternoon. Can you state your name and your relationship

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to the application for the record, please? Oh, your mic's

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not on. Hang on a sec. There we go. Go

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ahead, please. Good afternoon, Mr. Chair. My name is Colin

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Vanward of Van Harten Surveying, and I'm the agent for

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this application. The property owners, Mike Meg, are here as

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well. Thank you. And can you tell me if the

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sign was posted as per the planning app? It was.

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And have you read staff's comments? I have. And are

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you in agreement. I am. At this point, we have

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10 minutes to address the committee, so please go ahead.

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Thanks, Mr. Chair. Um, I'm not going to add too

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much. Um, I just like to just state a couple

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of the main points. Um, and environmental brief was prepared

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by a boot. Um, and reviewed by city environmental planning

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staff. Um, this application is a bit of a technicality.

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Um, and, uh, the proposed works are in an area

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that is already currently, um, landscaped. And so there's no

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new, um, encroachment or development in the Natural Heritage area.

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Um, I'd be happy to answer any questions we have.

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Okay. Thank you. Um, does staff have a presentation or

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comments they'd like to make at this point seeing, um,

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shaking of heads, um, I'm going to interpret that as

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unknown. Um, committee members, do we have any questions for

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the applicant. Remember, Mir. To the, not to the applicant,

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but to the staff, sorry. So I will. Maybe that

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will be more appropriate because I see that, uh, the

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handscape area, uh, is, is not within, uh, the NHS.

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It was approved. And as I see in the years

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already, he has a part, not within the NHS. So

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as what are we approving, what are we a preming?

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What is the variance we are talking about here. Uh,

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through the chair to member Mir, if you can see

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the dotted line that goes across. The image there, um,

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that's the limit of the natural heritage area. So you

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can see on this zoomed insight plan there that the

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pool crosses into that NHS lands. Um, so that's the

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reason why a variance is required as outlined in the

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staff comment, uh, this area was already disturbed and hardscaped.

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Um, so staff have no concern with the pool encroaching

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into that, uh, NHS area. Okay. Thank you. Uh, Committee

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members, any other questions for the applicant. Seeing none, are

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there any registered delegates to speak to us, Madam Secretary.

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Mr. Chair, I can confirm no registered delegates. Is there

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anyone in the auditorium who'd like to speak to this

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application. Seeing no one rushing the microphone. I'll take that

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as a no. Um, at this point committee members, what

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is your wish. Member Fitzpatrick. Yes, sir, you share. I,

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um, post that we accept this application, uh, with the

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conditions as outlined by staff. Thank you. And do we

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have a seconder. Remember good fellow. Is there any discussion

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on the application before us. Seeing none, Madam Secretary Treasurer,

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um, can we have a vote, please. Thank you, Chair

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Committee members. Please indicate your vote by responding in favor

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or opposed to the motion, which is to approve the

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application with the recommended condition. Chair Smith in favor. Remember

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Fritz Patrick. In favor. Remember good fellow in favor. Remember

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Mirt. Remember Ross in favor. And member Spears in favor.

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That's carried Mr. Chair. Thank you. Your application has been

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approved. Thank you. Madam Secretary Treasure, may we have the

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next applicant, please. The next application is file A dash

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32 slash 26. Variances for reduced private amenity depth for

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proposed above grade townhouse units and for reduced rear yard

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setback for tower portion of proposed apartment building at 12

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Pool Street. I'll note for those attending remotely if you

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wish to speak to this application. You can do so

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by calling the number displayed on the screen. That number's

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519 822 1260 extension 2524 and staff will give you

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instructions on how you can delegate remotely. I see the

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applicant online. Can you state your name and your relationship

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to the application, please? Yes. Carson Parks. I'm a planner

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with Arcadis and we're representing the owners on this file.

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Thank you. And can you tell me if the sign

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was posted as per the planning act. Yes, it was.

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That's great. So, um, have you read staff's comments and

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are you in agreement. Yes, we are in agreement. Um,

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as you may have heard, uh, you have 10 minutes

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that you can address the committee with. So please make

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as much use of that time as you'd like. Yes.

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Um, I prepared a presentation. That I believe can be

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shared. Thanks. Just brief. Next slide. So here

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we have the overview of the, uh, helpful street. The

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application is two and a half hectares basically. Next slide.

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Proposed is 451 units with a 10 story apartment building.

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Um, this application's gone through in Ontario Land tribunal already.

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And we are currently going through these state plan application

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process. So the variances are to proceed with that. Next

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slide. The first variance is for the private amenity area

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where it's required 1. 8 metres. We are requesting 1.

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2 metres. We are still providing the total area wired.

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Excellent. The rear yard set back where 12. 5 metres

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is required. We have, um, 5. 5 metres. This is

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based on the regularity of the lot. Um, as you

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can see along the rear lot line, um, some areas,

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this distance is met. But at the lowest point 5.

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5, it's not. Um, also to note at the rear

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of the law is a conservation area and it won't

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be developed. Excellent. That's it for us. I'm happy to

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answer any questions. Okay. Thank you. Um, I'm going to

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turn to staff and see, is there any, um, staff

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presentation on this file? Yes, please go ahead, Mr. Yu.

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Thank you. Uh, through you, Mr. Chair and to the

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committee, I'd just like to provide some background history for

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the site in order to provide context for the variances

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before you. Um, so the subject lands known as 12

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pool street. We're initially received by the city as an

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official plan amendment in 2022. We've council choosing to fuse

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the application. Uh, the application was there for appeal to

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the interior land tribunal. The tribunal found that the proposal

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was generally in keeping with the provincial planning direction at

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the time and approved in 2023 several amending zoning provisions

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as recognised and staff comments. Of note, is that this

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decision amended only the 1995 zoning bylaw. So in the

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following year of 2024, uh, we also approved the city

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initiated housekeeping amendment for the subject lands. Thereby bringing this

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tribunal approved 1995 zoning into the current 2023 A zoning

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by lawyer. Um, so as the app can noted, there

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is a formal site plane application that was received in

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2024 as well. And it's still active. Um, so generally

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most of the design work is, uh, completed pending minor

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revisions, um, such as the variances before you. And some

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of which were missed in the Cities 2024 housekeeping amendment.

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Uh, which is in line of the OLT decision. So

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that's kind of a high level background of how we

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got here, um, staff in the applicant available to answer

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any questions you might have. Thank you. Thank you very

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much. Um, at this point, rather than go to committee,

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I'm going to ask if there are any members of

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the public who wish to speak to this application. I

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don't see anyone in the chamber. Are there any registered

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delegates, Madam Secretary Treasure. Mr. Chair can confirm no registered

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delegates. Thank you. And I don't see anyone waiting on

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the line. Committee members, do we have any questions for

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either the applicant or for SNAF. Remember, good fellow. Yes.

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Uh, through the chair, um, I think to City staff,

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so the dates that you just shared, they seem to

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suggest just a little unsure why this is coming to

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us now. They seem like they would have been addressed

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in earlier phases of the project. Um, so is there

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a better or more detailed explanation on kind of why

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these last two, uh, have come forward at this time

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versus maybe having gotten momped up in other iterations or

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the site plan or conversations and et cetera. Through you

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chair. So my understanding, I wasn't the plan on a

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file in the original application, but my understanding is at

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the time of the city initiated housekeeping amendment, the city

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was also working with, um, like a contracted planning consultant

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to bring forward some of the housekeeping amendments. And as

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some of them were missed, um, as well as since

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it's still an active site plan, um, file, might still

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be some minor visions being made. Um, they are conditionally

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approved, but the tweaks that might have to be satisfied

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prior to full site plan approval. Thank you. That was

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really helpful. Can I just ask a follow - up

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question? Um, and this is really just for my curiosity

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because I was just looking at the timeline again and

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trying to kind of piece things together. But is it

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the case that this could be back before us at

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some point with a couple more, um, minor, um, minor

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requests. Uh, through the chair, that's something that's to be

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determined as site plan concludes. Okay. Yeah. But it would

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be tied to site plan. Uh, process at that point.

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Yep. Okay. Cool. Thank you, Chair. Thank you, member Goodfellow.

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Are there any other questions for the applicant or for

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staff. Seeing none, but I, I do have a couple.

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Um, first I'd like staff to help me, um, with,

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with, um, interpretation of this given the size of the

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request of the setback from the property loan. Um, I'm

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wondering if my understanding of staff's comments is that this

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is being, uh, found acceptable because the lot, um, is

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adjacent is actually part of, um, conservation and is not

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develop. Am I clear on that. Uh, through your chair.

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Yeah. That's, that's correct. Okay. That's, sorry go ahead. And,

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uh, I don't believe environmental planning has flagged any issue

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with the setback either. Okay. Thank you. And, um. We

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did receive some late correspondence about this file. And I

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think a lot of it has been, um, captured in

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some of both staff and the applicants, um, uh, presentation.

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But I just want to, I just want to be

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sure of this, that since this was initially, um, rejected

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at city council, but then was appealed and on appeal,

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the Ontario land tribunal has overturned city council's view that

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many of the issues raised by the correspondent would have

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been handled at the Ontario Land Tribunal. Am I jumping

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ahead or misinterpreting that. Uh, to you, Chair, that's my

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understanding as well. Um, from what I know, it sounds

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like that the correspondence we receive the rules in talks

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with city staff as well. Okay. It's just, when I

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receive such a thorough, uh, piece of correspondence and didn't

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have a whole lot of time to digest it. First

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of all, I think it's important to, um, to the

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public who've taken the time to correspond with us to

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elucidate that. And second, um. Help me understand it in,

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in, in my deliberation. So thank you very much for

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that. Um, Committee members, any other questions or comments. So

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at this point, um, I would like to entertain a

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motion. Do we have a motion ladies gentlemen. Member Mir.

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And whether, um. Yes, member, good Phillip. That's good. And

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I guess at this point, if we have any discussion,

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that would be appropriate now. Seeing none, Madam Secretary Treasurer

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can ask you to call the vote, please. Thank you,

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Chair Committee members. Please indicate your vote by responding in

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favor or post to the motion, which is to approve

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the application. Chair Smith in favor, Fitzpatrick. In favor. Remember

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Goodfellow in favor mirror. And favourite member Ross in favor.

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And member Spears in favor. That's carried Mr. Chair. Your

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application has been approved. Awesome. Thank you. You're welcome. Madam

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Secretary Treasurer, may we have the next applicant, please. The

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next application is file A dash 29 slash 26. Variances

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to permit increased front yard and exterior side yard setbacks

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and reduced buffer strip width for proposed multi tenant commercial

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building at seven feeling court. I'll note for those attending

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remotely if you wish to speak to this application. You

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can do so by calling the number displayed on the

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screen. That number's 519 822 1260 extension 2524. And when

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you call in staff, we'll give you instructions on how

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you can delegate remotely. Is the applicant in the chamber?

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Yes. Please come forward. Good afternoon. Can you state

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your name and your relationship to the project we're reviewing

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today. We need to turn your microphone on. There you

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go. Oh, you turned it off. There we are. Okay.

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Um, please go ahead. My name is Nicola. I am

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an architect with Fryet Turner Architects and the applicant. And

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can you tell me if the sign was posted as

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per the planning act? It was. And have you read

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staff's comments and are you in agreement. I have and

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we are. Um, as with others, you have 10 minutes

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to address the committee. So please make as much use

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at that time as you wish. Great. Thank you. Um,

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the minor variances being requested are to facilitate the proposed

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development of a one story, a one, two story multi

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- tenant commercial building that will support three commercial tenants.

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It is the intent that each of these tenants will

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be a combination of office and warehouse uses. These tenants

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are proposed to be supported by 111 parking stalls and

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three internal loading bays. The minor variants being sought are

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to permit a maximum building setback from the front lot

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line of 29. 3 metres. Whereas the requirement is 25

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metres. Um, to permit a maximum building setback from the

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exterior sideline of 25. 5 metres, whereas the requirement is

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25 metres. And to permit a localized reduction in the

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landscape buffer strip to 1. 5 metres along the west

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interior lot line for a length of 50 metres, whereas

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the required three metres for the entire lot line. Um,

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our justification is that the zoning bylaw establishes a minimum

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six metre setback and a maximum 25 metre setback along

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front and exterior side lot lines. It is our understanding

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that the purpose of both the minimum and maximum building

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setbacks is to encourage consistent street frontage across multiple properties

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in a row. Our property has an irregular triangular with

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a curve property line where it abuts the intersection of

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failing court and Cooper drive. There is a significant stitch

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across the whole front, uh, property line on feeling court.

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And the opportunity for acceptable locations for access by large

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vehicles along failing court is limited due to the intersection

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and curvature of failing court. Additionally, the intended use of

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the commercial units is as office and warehouse spaces with

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visiting clients. It is anticipated that to support these users,

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uh, a greater number of parking spaces than what the

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bylaw describes as the minimum will be required. The number

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of parking spaces proposed for the site is based on

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market research of the area and likelihood of staff and

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clients to travel by car to the site, given the

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00:32:31,087 --> 00:32:35,706
location location, catchment area for clients and limited alternative methods

472
00:32:35,706 --> 00:32:38,986
of travel available to the area from within Guelph and

473
00:32:39,026 --> 00:32:43,126
neighbouring cities. It should be noted that there is no

474
00:32:43,227 --> 00:32:46,486
maximum number of parking spaces stipulated within the bylaw for

475
00:32:46,907 --> 00:32:50,966
this property. It's our opinion that increasing the building setback

476
00:32:50,966 --> 00:32:54,353
will not diminish the building capacity. Uh, to contribute to

477
00:32:54,614 --> 00:32:58,833
consistent frontage along failing court due to the curvature of

478
00:32:58,873 --> 00:33:02,287
the street. The front corners of the building are still

479
00:33:02,308 --> 00:33:05,247
within the setback limits of both adjacent properties of the

480
00:33:05,247 --> 00:33:09,310
same zoning. It is our opinion that increasing the building

481
00:33:09,411 --> 00:33:13,110
setback with improved viability. Or sorry, will improve viability of

482
00:33:13,150 --> 00:33:17,110
the site by allowing for a truck, truck access driveway

483
00:33:17,611 --> 00:33:20,470
away from the intersection that has direct access to the

484
00:33:20,491 --> 00:33:25,764
loading docs. With limited disturbance of the existing ditch and

485
00:33:25,804 --> 00:33:30,451
improved visibility of the building from the handling Expressway. It

486
00:33:30,712 --> 00:33:33,011
is our opinion that increasing the building setback will allow

487
00:33:33,192 --> 00:33:35,891
an adequate number of parking spaces to support the intended

488
00:33:35,992 --> 00:33:39,651
use, while also allowing those parking spaces to be surrounded

489
00:33:39,691 --> 00:33:43,805
by ample landscape area. For screening and improved visual interest

490
00:33:43,845 --> 00:33:48,239
from the street. As for the buffer strip, um, the

491
00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:51,679
bylaw requires a minimum three metre wide buffer strip adjacent

492
00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:55,702
to interior side and rear lot lines. And it's our

493
00:33:55,742 --> 00:33:57,862
understanding that the purpose of the buffer strip is to

494
00:33:57,963 --> 00:34:01,862
screen service and parking areas from neighbouring properties and public

495
00:34:01,883 --> 00:34:07,071
streets. Uh, the localized reduction is to facilitate the turning

496
00:34:07,252 --> 00:34:11,391
of large truck and trailer vehicles into the loading docks.

497
00:34:13,293 --> 00:34:16,552
And, um, we believe that the localized reduction of the

498
00:34:16,653 --> 00:34:19,272
landscape offers trip will not diminish the capacity of the

499
00:34:19,453 --> 00:34:23,272
buffer strip to screen this area from neighbouring sites or

500
00:34:23,293 --> 00:34:30,299
the street. Overall, it's our opinion that these requests are

501
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,099
minor and still meet the general intent of the bylaw

502
00:34:33,099 --> 00:34:35,899
and will not adversely affect the overall zoning requirements specific

503
00:34:35,899 --> 00:34:42,441
to this site. Thank you very much. And, um, if

504
00:34:42,441 --> 00:34:45,881
you wait right there, I'm going to see first if

505
00:34:45,982 --> 00:34:50,761
staff have any, um, additions or comments. And then we

506
00:34:50,782 --> 00:34:55,081
may have some questions for you. So city staff, is

507
00:34:55,081 --> 00:34:57,241
there a presentation or comments that would like to be.

508
00:34:59,494 --> 00:35:03,793
Okay. Seeing none. Um, are either any registered delegates, minimum

509
00:35:03,833 --> 00:35:08,264
secretary treasure. Mr. Chair, I can confirm no registered delegates.

510
00:35:09,718 --> 00:35:11,697
Is there anybody in the chamber who would like to

511
00:35:11,718 --> 00:35:17,534
speak to this application. Seeing none committee members, do we

512
00:35:17,534 --> 00:35:24,040
have any questions of the applicant. I don't see anyone,

513
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,060
um, with their hands raised. So at this point, uh,

514
00:35:27,060 --> 00:35:31,311
Committee members, what is your wish. Through you, Jade? I

515
00:35:31,311 --> 00:35:35,911
have a question for the staff. Uh, I see you're

516
00:35:35,911 --> 00:35:39,991
proposing the approval, but I don't find any conditionality in

517
00:35:40,012 --> 00:35:43,911
doing so. So you are approving the variances, but I

518
00:35:44,732 --> 00:35:49,666
haven't done that. What is the condition for that? As

519
00:35:49,706 --> 00:35:55,589
you are proposing. Through the chairita member. So that one

520
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:59,269
condition is to limit the reduction in the landscape buffer

521
00:35:59,610 --> 00:36:02,049
to adjust the area shown on the site plan, uh,

522
00:36:02,650 --> 00:36:04,309
as that's, you know, an area that needs to be

523
00:36:05,210 --> 00:36:08,389
encroached upon for a truck movement. Uh, so the conditionable

524
00:36:08,490 --> 00:36:10,469
just ensure that the three metre buffer will be maintained

525
00:36:10,810 --> 00:36:12,789
across the rest of the site and that the variants

526
00:36:12,810 --> 00:36:17,374
would only apply to that specific area. It is not

527
00:36:17,374 --> 00:36:24,728
clear through your writer that condition. I'm not sure. Or

528
00:36:24,768 --> 00:36:28,239
side building, yes, you need all these permissions. But, uh,

529
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,499
as a conditional to that. So the variance is approved

530
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:38,600
as such. So I didn't get it exactly. Yeah. So

531
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,120
through the chair again, there is a recommended condition that

532
00:36:41,221 --> 00:36:43,520
Planning staff have included, um, and I can read that

533
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,600
off. The condition is that the requested variances remain in

534
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,240
conformity with the submitted site plan to the generals or

535
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,200
to the satisfaction of the general manager planning and building

536
00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:56,480
services. Um, so in this application, go as for site

537
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,280
plan approval, whoever's doing the zoning review, uh, will look

538
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,040
at the condition stipulated on the variance and we'll note

539
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,480
that that, uh, buffer reduction only applies to the areas

540
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:11,610
shown on this submitted site plan. Okay. Thank you. Any

541
00:37:11,631 --> 00:37:18,189
other questions for the applicant or for staff. Seeing none,

542
00:37:18,189 --> 00:37:22,232
what is your wish committee members. Member spears. I move

543
00:37:22,232 --> 00:37:25,832
that we, uh, we accept this application with the condition

544
00:37:26,413 --> 00:37:29,032
recommended by City staff. And do we have a seconder.

545
00:37:31,077 --> 00:37:36,345
Remember Fitzpatrick? Any discussion on the motion before us. Seeing

546
00:37:36,446 --> 00:37:39,705
none, Madam Secretary Treasure, would you call the vote, please?

547
00:37:40,526 --> 00:37:43,385
Thank you, Chair Committee members. Please indicate your vote by

548
00:37:43,486 --> 00:37:46,025
responding in favor or opposed to the motion, which is

549
00:37:46,526 --> 00:37:50,265
to approve the application with the recommended condition. Chair Smith

550
00:37:50,766 --> 00:37:58,648
in favor. In favor. Remember, good fellow in favor. Remember

551
00:37:58,909 --> 00:38:05,686
Mir in favor. Remember Ross in favor. And member spears.

552
00:38:05,686 --> 00:38:09,126
In favor. That's carried Mr. Chair. Thank you. Your application

553
00:38:09,227 --> 00:38:14,204
has been approved. Thank you. Thank you very much. Madam

554
00:38:14,204 --> 00:38:17,084
Secretary Treasure, may we have the, uh, next applicant, please.

555
00:38:22,278 --> 00:38:26,417
The next application is file B - 44 - 26

556
00:38:27,398 --> 00:38:30,577
consent to create one new residential lot with one retained

557
00:38:30,598 --> 00:38:34,817
residential aut at 40 Ridgeway Avenue. I'll note for those

558
00:38:34,838 --> 00:38:38,337
attending remotely if you wish to speak to this application,

559
00:38:38,337 --> 00:38:40,337
you can do so by calling the number displayed on

560
00:38:40,337 --> 00:38:46,097
the screen. The number is 519 - 822 - 1260,

561
00:38:46,097 --> 00:38:48,817
extension 2524 and staff will give you instructions on how

562
00:38:48,817 --> 00:38:56,825
you can delegate remotely. Is the applicant present? Yes. Please

563
00:38:56,926 --> 00:39:04,605
come forward. Welcome back. Can you state your name and

564
00:39:04,605 --> 00:39:08,405
your relationship to the application, please? Thanks, Mr. Chair. My

565
00:39:08,405 --> 00:39:11,885
name is Colin Vanderturving. And I'm the, uh, the agent

566
00:39:11,925 --> 00:39:14,640
for this application. Thank you. And can you tell me

567
00:39:14,821 --> 00:39:17,520
if the sign was posted as per the planning act?

568
00:39:17,541 --> 00:39:21,040
It was. And have you read staff's comments? I have.

569
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:25,578
And are you in agreement. At this point, as you

570
00:39:25,578 --> 00:39:28,178
understand, you have 10 minutes to address their committee. So

571
00:39:28,178 --> 00:39:33,629
please go ahead. Thanks, Mr. Chair. Um, this application proposes

572
00:39:33,650 --> 00:39:37,549
a severance to create two residential lots, or sorry, one

573
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:42,829
new residential lot. Um, both lots meet the requirements of

574
00:39:42,869 --> 00:39:48,109
the, uh, RL1 zoning. Um, and are intended to facilitate

575
00:39:48,130 --> 00:39:52,809
the development of, uh, a semi - detached dwelling. Um,

576
00:39:53,170 --> 00:39:56,029
a form of housing that has already permitted within both

577
00:39:56,050 --> 00:40:01,833
the zoning and the official plan designation. Planning staff have

578
00:40:01,833 --> 00:40:05,593
completed a reveal of the proposal concluded that the development

579
00:40:05,633 --> 00:40:09,113
is compatible with the surrounding neighbourhood maintains the low density

580
00:40:09,294 --> 00:40:13,193
residential character of the area and represents an appropriate form

581
00:40:13,233 --> 00:40:20,267
of intensification. Um, the staff comments concluded that the proposal

582
00:40:20,288 --> 00:40:24,907
satisfies the applicable official plan policies consent policies and the

583
00:40:24,907 --> 00:40:30,587
planning act criteria and have recommended approval subject to conditions.

584
00:40:30,587 --> 00:40:34,507
We recognise that some residents have raised concerns regarding traffic,

585
00:40:34,507 --> 00:40:38,267
parking, drainage, tree preservation and the cumulative effects of development

586
00:40:38,368 --> 00:40:43,016
within the neighbourhood. He's concerns, our understandable and have been

587
00:40:43,056 --> 00:40:47,896
reviewed, um, through the city's review and our addressed by

588
00:40:48,317 --> 00:40:53,096
the conditions of the severance. The conditions recommended by staff

589
00:40:55,277 --> 00:40:59,656
require a tree inventory and preservation plan, water balance analysis,

590
00:40:59,837 --> 00:41:04,936
stormwater management review. Um, agreeing a drainage plan, servicing review

591
00:41:06,397 --> 00:41:11,706
and others prior to the finalization of the severance. Our

592
00:41:11,706 --> 00:41:15,386
opinion is that these conditions provide, um, framework to ensure

593
00:41:15,407 --> 00:41:19,226
that the development precedes, uh, in a manner satisfactory to

594
00:41:19,247 --> 00:41:23,635
staff. Um, engineering staff, I'd just like to point this

595
00:41:23,675 --> 00:41:26,515
out too, that engineering staff have, um, reviewed the proposal

596
00:41:26,776 --> 00:41:30,435
and determined that the application does not trigger a traffic

597
00:41:32,536 --> 00:41:36,195
study under the city's guidelines. Uh, I found the comments

598
00:41:36,235 --> 00:41:40,275
were quite clear and identifying what things would trigger an

599
00:41:40,315 --> 00:41:44,828
impact study. And they state that this application does not

600
00:41:44,929 --> 00:41:48,108
trigger that. So they support this, uh, application subject to

601
00:41:48,148 --> 00:41:54,945
the conditions. Uh, we respectfully request that the committee adopt

602
00:41:55,846 --> 00:41:59,265
the staff recommendation and approve this application subject to the

603
00:41:59,286 --> 00:42:04,364
conditions. I'm happy to answer any questions. Thank you. And

604
00:42:04,364 --> 00:42:07,584
if you want to, uh, wait right there. We'll go

605
00:42:07,584 --> 00:42:12,304
through perhaps some comment from city staff as well as

606
00:42:12,304 --> 00:42:15,504
some questions from the public. Uh, City staff is, do

607
00:42:15,504 --> 00:42:17,824
you have a presentation? Yes. Mr. Rembel, please go ahead.

608
00:42:19,390 --> 00:42:21,769
Through you, Mr. Chair, uh, the applicant is proposing to

609
00:42:21,870 --> 00:42:24,729
sever the existing single detached lot to facilitate the creation

610
00:42:24,769 --> 00:42:29,129
of two semi - detached residential lots. Staff's understanding is

611
00:42:29,129 --> 00:42:32,249
that each semi - detached unit would have 280Us in

612
00:42:32,249 --> 00:42:34,249
the main structure for a total of six units between

613
00:42:34,289 --> 00:42:37,589
the two lots. The proposed lots conform with all the

614
00:42:37,690 --> 00:42:40,949
zoning requirements of the 2023 zoning bylaw and do not

615
00:42:40,949 --> 00:42:46,389
require any minor variances. Additionally, the proposed development provides five

616
00:42:46,410 --> 00:42:49,829
legal parking spaces per lot for in the driveway and

617
00:42:49,869 --> 00:42:53,109
one in the attached garage. Whereas the zoning by law

618
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:56,309
requires, uh, two parking spaces per lot if the maximum

619
00:42:56,410 --> 00:43:02,099
number of allowable ADUs is included in the development. Staff

620
00:43:02,099 --> 00:43:04,979
note that similar proposals adjacent to this site at 34

621
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,659
and 36 Ridgway have been approved previously. These developments have

622
00:43:08,699 --> 00:43:12,019
been able to satisfy engineering and environmental planning concerns about

623
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,499
stormwater management, grading and drainage and water balance. For this

624
00:43:16,499 --> 00:43:18,499
reason, staff are confident that the applicant will be able

625
00:43:18,499 --> 00:43:21,859
to satisfy these requirements for this site. However, if the

626
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,379
applicant is unable to clear these conditions for whatever reason,

627
00:43:25,379 --> 00:43:29,939
uh, the severances would not be finalised. Additionally, concerns have

628
00:43:29,979 --> 00:43:33,219
been raised about the safety of Ridgway Avenue and Malveren

629
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,539
Crescent given the width of the roadway and lack of

630
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,299
sidewalks. Um, so engineering staff are aware of these road

631
00:43:39,339 --> 00:43:44,099
conditions. The city conducted a sidewalk needs assessment back in

632
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:49,139
2016, grading the need for new sidewalks across the city.

633
00:43:49,139 --> 00:43:52,179
Um, scoring was out of a potential maximum of 51

634
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,179
points. And using this, uh, this city or city staff,

635
00:43:56,179 --> 00:43:59,059
uh, created a list of the top 100 streets that

636
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:03,147
need sidewalk improvements. Melvin Crescent is identified on that list

637
00:44:03,248 --> 00:44:06,667
with a score of 17. And currently the city is

638
00:44:06,667 --> 00:44:10,827
working on constructing sidewalks that scored between 20 and 25.

639
00:44:10,827 --> 00:44:12,647
So they are working their way down that list. Um,

640
00:44:12,647 --> 00:44:16,427
but Malvin and Ridgway haven't, uh, gotten their time yet.

641
00:44:18,430 --> 00:44:21,209
Additionally, the city has plans for a new pedestrian master

642
00:44:21,209 --> 00:44:23,049
plan in the next few years that would likely look

643
00:44:23,089 --> 00:44:28,551
at sidewalks as part of that study. Additionally, this proposal

644
00:44:28,551 --> 00:44:31,351
was reviewed by traffic engineering staff who did not deem

645
00:44:31,852 --> 00:44:36,591
traffic study necessary at this time. That being said, as

646
00:44:36,591 --> 00:44:38,791
development continues in the area, the need for a traffic

647
00:44:38,831 --> 00:44:42,151
study may be triggered based on the cumulative effects of

648
00:44:42,332 --> 00:44:45,271
all the development that has taken place, uh, in the

649
00:44:45,292 --> 00:44:49,351
area. So the city's traffic guidelines include criteria for when

650
00:44:49,391 --> 00:44:52,311
a traffic study is required. And currently those guidelines are

651
00:44:52,351 --> 00:44:56,551
geared towards, uh, much larger individual projects, uh, rather than

652
00:44:56,591 --> 00:45:00,311
the proposals that we are seeing today on, uh, Ridgway

653
00:45:00,351 --> 00:45:02,791
Avenue and kind of across the city as infill development

654
00:45:02,812 --> 00:45:06,231
becomes more popular. So as these projects become more common

655
00:45:06,332 --> 00:45:09,031
in Guelph City staff will have to start evaluating based

656
00:45:09,031 --> 00:45:11,991
on the cumulative impacts, uh, rather than just the impacts

657
00:45:12,012 --> 00:45:16,611
of individual applications. Uh, so while staff did not, uh,

658
00:45:17,052 --> 00:45:20,711
traffick staff did not deem, uh, traffic brief necessary for

659
00:45:20,751 --> 00:45:24,531
this particular application. We will be monitoring this area. And

660
00:45:24,531 --> 00:45:32,295
for future applications traffic brief may be required. Thank you

661
00:45:32,335 --> 00:45:36,595
very much. Um, Committee members, um, I'm going to, um.

662
00:45:37,046 --> 00:45:41,585
Uh, at this point, go to, um, comments from the

663
00:45:41,625 --> 00:45:45,745
public. And then we'll have an opportunity to circle back

664
00:45:45,766 --> 00:45:49,465
and ask questions of staff and or the applicant. If

665
00:45:49,465 --> 00:45:53,645
need be. So at this point, Madam Secretary Treasurer, are

666
00:45:53,686 --> 00:45:58,601
there any registered delegates. Mr. Chair, can confirm there are

667
00:45:58,601 --> 00:46:05,478
registered delegates. The first is Jenna Hardy. Yes. Please come

668
00:46:05,518 --> 00:46:13,782
forward. Welcome. Can you state your name for the record,

669
00:46:13,782 --> 00:46:18,120
please? Yes. My name is Jenna Hardy. And can I

670
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,840
ask you just to move a titch closer to the

671
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,120
microphone? I'm having these old years are having a little

672
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:29,320
bit of difficulty, I'm afraid. And, um, you may have

673
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,520
heard my comments earlier that you have 10 minutes to

674
00:46:32,541 --> 00:46:35,480
address the committee. And there will be a chime when

675
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,800
you've got 30 seconds left and one when that's completed.

676
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,520
And if you don't run away, my colleagues may have

677
00:46:42,541 --> 00:46:45,800
questions for you. So when you're ever, you're ready, please

678
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,360
go ahead. Sure. That sounds good. Thank you for the

679
00:46:48,461 --> 00:46:52,343
opportunity to speak here today. I appreciate your time. So

680
00:46:52,764 --> 00:46:56,103
while on the individual merit of this proposal, the request

681
00:46:56,143 --> 00:46:59,863
seems very reasonable. It is the cumulative impact that is

682
00:47:00,044 --> 00:47:04,854
of concern. So I say, what is the intent of

683
00:47:05,195 --> 00:47:10,738
gentle intensification. Based on my letter and the visual images

684
00:47:10,759 --> 00:47:15,058
provided, you can see the dramatic effect on the avenue

685
00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:19,218
and the fundamental change of the neighbourhood. The population across

686
00:47:19,399 --> 00:47:25,218
the three lots of 340 or 32, 34 and 40

687
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:31,793
Ridgway. Has increased by 1200 percent of an increase is

688
00:47:31,814 --> 00:47:36,673
difficult to even comprehend. So perhaps we're seven and a

689
00:47:36,673 --> 00:47:39,153
half people once lived. We now could have upwards of

690
00:47:39,494 --> 00:47:44,061
100 people living. While each lot change individually may seem

691
00:47:44,082 --> 00:47:48,521
reasonable, that cumulative impact on the neighbourhood is large. And

692
00:47:48,521 --> 00:47:52,781
we should not assume that studies originally conducted for 34

693
00:47:52,962 --> 00:47:56,141
Ridgway or such as just the mention of the traffic

694
00:47:56,181 --> 00:48:00,141
study are still relevant and applicable with the additional development

695
00:48:00,181 --> 00:48:04,367
that has continued on the street. My next question is

696
00:48:04,628 --> 00:48:09,007
who is accountable and responsible to ensure that the housing

697
00:48:09,348 --> 00:48:13,647
built meets the needs of the priority populations as listed

698
00:48:13,687 --> 00:48:18,447
in the CMHA research study. And Canada's National Housing Strategy.

699
00:48:18,447 --> 00:48:20,767
And the type of housing aligns to what has been

700
00:48:20,948 --> 00:48:26,127
identified as in need by the housing needs engulfed in

701
00:48:26,548 --> 00:48:33,509
2025. The CMHA identified 11 priority groups of people who

702
00:48:33,690 --> 00:48:38,099
require housing. For awareness, the priority group does not include

703
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,293
university students. The housing need in Gulf study specifically stated

704
00:48:43,293 --> 00:48:47,533
the need for townhouses and apartments. It did not identify

705
00:48:47,874 --> 00:48:54,304
duplexes with single bedroom rentals. Across Guelph, developers are purchasing

706
00:48:54,405 --> 00:48:59,504
large lots in established neighbourhoods and converting these properties into

707
00:48:59,525 --> 00:49:03,664
duplexes with single bedroom units. The committee has approved these

708
00:49:03,765 --> 00:49:09,820
changes previously on Ridgeway Avenue. Monticello Crescent, Orchard Crescent, just

709
00:49:09,820 --> 00:49:13,450
to name a few. Which brings me to ask, what

710
00:49:13,450 --> 00:49:18,132
is the intent of housing at 40 Ridgeway. The developer

711
00:49:18,172 --> 00:49:21,972
for the proposal is the same for 36 Ridgway and

712
00:49:22,012 --> 00:49:26,794
is putting forward similar specifications as was built. Per my

713
00:49:26,834 --> 00:49:29,994
letter in the appendix, you can see that the units

714
00:49:30,095 --> 00:49:34,794
at 36 Ridgway are posted on student housing rental websites.

715
00:49:35,930 --> 00:49:40,869
Furthermore, the rentals aren't even available for folio terms. It's

716
00:49:40,909 --> 00:49:48,753
10 months. Thus, the developers putting forward housing that does

717
00:49:48,753 --> 00:49:52,273
not align to the priority populations, nor does it align

718
00:49:52,313 --> 00:49:56,860
to the types of housing that are needed. A quick

719
00:49:57,121 --> 00:50:00,489
side part. Do you know how much land the University

720
00:50:00,489 --> 00:50:04,425
of Gulf owns in the city. It's about 400 hectares.

721
00:50:05,825 --> 00:50:09,445
While some is already developed, others is not. While the

722
00:50:09,706 --> 00:50:12,805
university has identified that it can house first year in

723
00:50:12,805 --> 00:50:18,389
international students, perhaps it should do more. If university is

724
00:50:18,389 --> 00:50:21,669
housing is a need in the city, let the university

725
00:50:21,709 --> 00:50:25,542
support the need on its time. On its property and

726
00:50:25,563 --> 00:50:29,622
not on the working class or the newcomers or the

727
00:50:29,883 --> 00:50:33,302
senior citizens who now have fewer places and options to

728
00:50:33,342 --> 00:50:38,075
live. At the last committee hearing for Ridgway, an engineer

729
00:50:38,096 --> 00:50:42,075
brought up a point as similarly discussed that broader services

730
00:50:42,176 --> 00:50:46,235
concerns is assessed and analysed by the city. Let's talk

731
00:50:46,275 --> 00:50:51,492
about sidewalks. While this provided some comfort to the committee,

732
00:50:51,532 --> 00:50:56,247
it does not provide comfort to me. Sidewalks is a

733
00:50:56,247 --> 00:50:59,954
statement of safety. And personally, I don't feel that safety

734
00:50:59,994 --> 00:51:02,712
is something that should be done retroactively. I feel like

735
00:51:02,733 --> 00:51:07,487
it is something that should be done proactively. To circle

736
00:51:07,527 --> 00:51:11,247
back on the intent, I find it difficult to comprehend

737
00:51:11,988 --> 00:51:15,647
that the intent of this committee or of the city

738
00:51:15,988 --> 00:51:19,147
is to build off - campus row housing in the

739
00:51:19,147 --> 00:51:24,745
middle of established residential neighbourhoods. Because in these situations, the

740
00:51:24,926 --> 00:51:28,564
needs of none of the residents are met. Not the

741
00:51:28,604 --> 00:51:31,764
needs of the students, and the typical support services that

742
00:51:31,804 --> 00:51:34,724
are provided by on - campus housing or the very

743
00:51:34,764 --> 00:51:38,936
close proximity to public transportation. Or the needs of the

744
00:51:39,037 --> 00:51:44,187
older residents who are concerned about safety and infrastructure. And

745
00:51:44,227 --> 00:51:47,627
in the cover letter of this proposal, the developer mentions

746
00:51:47,728 --> 00:51:51,867
that if you can also purchase 42 Ridgway, he has

747
00:51:51,867 --> 00:51:54,347
worked it in a way that they can combine and

748
00:51:54,368 --> 00:51:59,191
divide into four additional watts. Which would then lead to

749
00:51:59,212 --> 00:52:04,952
a total of seven duplexes consecutively on the street. This

750
00:52:05,213 --> 00:52:11,535
is student campus housing. Not a residential neighbourhood. So to

751
00:52:11,716 --> 00:52:17,103
close and to be frank, I am exasperated. When 34

752
00:52:17,204 --> 00:52:21,023
Ridgway came to this committee for a proposal, you received

753
00:52:21,844 --> 00:52:26,566
40 letters. 40. Nearly that many individuals came to speak.

754
00:52:28,476 --> 00:52:31,735
When it came to 36 Ridgeway, it was only 12

755
00:52:31,756 --> 00:52:35,170
letters. And two speakers. And unfortunately I was out of

756
00:52:35,191 --> 00:52:40,193
town and could not attend. Now for 40 Ridgeway, four

757
00:52:40,193 --> 00:52:45,936
people have submitted letters. Four. It is not due to

758
00:52:45,976 --> 00:52:49,838
lack of concern. It is not because it's because people

759
00:52:50,179 --> 00:52:55,061
feel that this community no longer has a voice. Our

760
00:52:55,082 --> 00:52:59,695
neighbourhood has fundamentally changed. And instead of pausing to assess

761
00:52:59,735 --> 00:53:07,054
the impacts, greater development is proposed. The neighbourhood field saddened.

762
00:53:07,054 --> 00:53:12,715
We feel disheartened. We write our councillors listen, yet no

763
00:53:12,715 --> 00:53:16,984
one takes action. Thus today, I am asking you to

764
00:53:16,984 --> 00:53:20,301
take action. I am asking you to defer the ruling

765
00:53:20,341 --> 00:53:24,419
on the proposal. Until the developer can submit something that

766
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:30,637
does not further fundamentally change our neighbourhood. Thank you for

767
00:53:30,677 --> 00:53:34,414
your time and consideration. Thank you very much for your

768
00:53:34,515 --> 00:53:38,894
considered thoughts on the matter and your presentation. Um, if

769
00:53:38,894 --> 00:53:40,974
you want to wait right there, my colleagues may have

770
00:53:40,974 --> 00:53:44,254
some questions for you. So just a moment committee members,

771
00:53:44,254 --> 00:53:48,888
do we have any questions of this applicant. Um, seeing

772
00:53:48,928 --> 00:53:53,208
none. I want to thank you sincerely for your presentation

773
00:53:53,229 --> 00:53:56,808
today. Um, this file is not new to this committee.

774
00:53:57,724 --> 00:54:01,943
And, um, I think, uh, some of your comments will

775
00:54:02,124 --> 00:54:04,983
stir some further debate. So let me thank you again.

776
00:54:05,004 --> 00:54:10,065
Thank you. Madam Secretary Treasurer, do we have another, um,

777
00:54:10,586 --> 00:54:16,015
delegate. Mr. Chair, yes, we do. The next delegate is

778
00:54:16,356 --> 00:54:20,197
Mary Reif. Yes, please come forward.

779
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:31,560
Thank you for the adjustment. Um, can you state your

780
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:35,000
name for the record, plead? My name is Mary Reife

781
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:39,775
and I've lived in this neighbourhood 36 years. May I

782
00:54:40,836 --> 00:54:43,455
just remind you that you have 10 minutes to address

783
00:54:43,636 --> 00:54:46,175
our committee and that there will be a chime after

784
00:54:46,596 --> 00:54:49,575
30 seconds. And if you want to stand by, my

785
00:54:49,575 --> 00:54:52,735
colleagues may have some questions for you. So please go

786
00:54:52,735 --> 00:54:57,182
ahead when you feel ready. Chair Committee members, thank you

787
00:54:57,222 --> 00:55:00,586
for what you do. It's a difficult and time -

788
00:55:00,586 --> 00:55:04,315
consuming job. And you do it well. I want you

789
00:55:04,355 --> 00:55:08,155
to imagine a big, beautiful house that you've built and

790
00:55:08,155 --> 00:55:11,059
it's got everything in it that you want. And then

791
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:15,433
you decide or discover. That it doesn't have a foundation.

792
00:55:16,923 --> 00:55:20,674
That's what's happening here. I've lived in the same house

793
00:55:21,175 --> 00:55:25,053
for 36 years. I've had three addresses. When I moved

794
00:55:25,093 --> 00:55:29,255
there, I was in PussLunch Township. These were country -

795
00:55:29,255 --> 00:55:33,691
estate lots. Then I became real - wrote two Gulf,

796
00:55:33,691 --> 00:55:36,011
and now I'm 63 Aracle Road, right on the corner

797
00:55:36,051 --> 00:55:43,813
of Malvern. I haven't moved. Our neighbourhood has about 60

798
00:55:43,994 --> 00:55:47,933
large country lots, because back in the 60s, when it

799
00:55:47,933 --> 00:55:52,521
was built, they needed the big lots for wells. And

800
00:55:52,561 --> 00:55:58,353
septic beds. According to the Planning Department, when I Googled

801
00:55:58,534 --> 00:56:04,787
it, said the road is substandard and narrow. There are

802
00:56:04,787 --> 00:56:09,343
no sidewalks or shoulders of any kind. It's lined with

803
00:56:09,524 --> 00:56:14,052
drained ditches on both sides. And street parking is prohibited

804
00:56:14,553 --> 00:56:19,539
for emergency access. Because there are no storm sewers in

805
00:56:19,539 --> 00:56:24,019
our area. The ditches are necessary for the rainfall runoff.

806
00:56:27,043 --> 00:56:29,982
We are very close - knit neighbourhood. And yes, we

807
00:56:30,022 --> 00:56:37,810
are getting tired of coming here. We are. As property

808
00:56:37,810 --> 00:56:43,330
is become available. And we are an aging population. Eventually,

809
00:56:43,431 --> 00:56:46,770
I'll probably have to sell mine, not yet. Developers are

810
00:56:46,810 --> 00:56:49,730
eyeing them so they can subdivide them into small city

811
00:56:49,751 --> 00:56:55,750
lots. And build multiple residents on each one. Two such

812
00:56:55,790 --> 00:56:59,855
lots have already been bought and developed. We're talking about

813
00:57:00,036 --> 00:57:05,721
taking out two existing houses. And putting 24 on the

814
00:57:05,742 --> 00:57:10,622
same. This is variances asking us to do something similar.

815
00:57:12,662 --> 00:57:18,692
Cars and pedestrians do not share the same space. But

816
00:57:18,692 --> 00:57:22,132
that's what you're asking us to increase the density on

817
00:57:22,233 --> 00:57:25,632
that narrow little street that the city calls substandard, not

818
00:57:25,632 --> 00:57:31,598
me, the city. You're asking us to share space. It's

819
00:57:31,619 --> 00:57:34,638
a recipe for disaster. More cars, more people, more cars,

820
00:57:34,638 --> 00:57:40,158
more people. Each lot that gets developed just adds cumulanic.

821
00:57:40,158 --> 00:57:43,749
Thank you for your comments. That was exactly right. Um,

822
00:57:45,130 --> 00:57:49,649
during construction of the two that have been developed, um,

823
00:57:50,730 --> 00:57:54,869
construction crews and equipment parked on our tiny, no parking

824
00:57:54,890 --> 00:57:59,029
street made it difficult for residents to access their own

825
00:57:59,210 --> 00:58:02,869
properties. And at one point prevented the garbage truck from

826
00:58:02,869 --> 00:58:07,109
getting through. It actually had to stop, back up, turn

827
00:58:07,149 --> 00:58:10,629
around in a neighbor's driveway and go the other way.

828
00:58:11,766 --> 00:58:18,856
That's how congested this street gets. Now imagine if that

829
00:58:18,856 --> 00:58:21,896
was your house burning down and you called the fire

830
00:58:21,936 --> 00:58:26,762
department. And the same thing happened. That the truck couldn't

831
00:58:26,802 --> 00:58:30,762
get through to your place. Imagine if your kid had

832
00:58:31,103 --> 00:58:34,762
a medical emergency, asthma attack and couldn't breathe. And you

833
00:58:34,802 --> 00:58:39,154
called the ambulance. And it couldn't get through. Because of

834
00:58:39,154 --> 00:58:44,300
the construction. You're liable city. You're liable. You're our blocking

835
00:58:45,041 --> 00:58:49,420
our only access rope. You cannot continue to do this.

836
00:58:49,420 --> 00:58:51,700
That road needs to be widened sidewalks need to be

837
00:58:51,700 --> 00:59:01,064
in place. The, um, okay. The other thing is, um,

838
00:59:02,225 --> 00:59:05,724
on the two developed lots that have been developed, they

839
00:59:05,905 --> 00:59:08,924
house and pave almost the entire thing. There's no green

840
00:59:08,964 --> 00:59:12,385
space. There's no trees. There's nothing. They've removed the drainage

841
00:59:12,406 --> 00:59:15,345
stitches. So now when it rains hard, where does the

842
00:59:15,345 --> 00:59:21,250
water go. On the street. On the neighbor's lots, in

843
00:59:21,250 --> 00:59:24,330
their basements, in their wells? And yes, a lot of

844
00:59:24,330 --> 00:59:29,652
us are still on wells and septic beds. Again, it's

845
00:59:29,753 --> 00:59:32,692
a liability issue for the city. When are you going

846
00:59:32,692 --> 00:59:39,556
to stop this. All new subdivisions have the infrastructure in

847
00:59:39,577 --> 00:59:45,282
first. Not after, well in advance of housing going up.

848
00:59:45,322 --> 00:59:48,322
This should be no different by allowing such a massive

849
00:59:48,583 --> 00:59:52,082
infilling one house to 12. You are creating a whole

850
00:59:52,103 --> 00:59:55,706
new subdivision. And the infrastructure needs to be in place

851
00:59:55,727 --> 01:00:00,276
to support such development. It's too late if the development

852
01:00:00,457 --> 01:00:04,196
continues to build so close to the existing roadway so

853
01:00:04,236 --> 01:00:07,236
that the roads cannot be widened. It's too late if

854
01:00:07,276 --> 01:00:10,436
the neighbor's basements are wells get flooded due to improper

855
01:00:10,476 --> 01:00:14,205
drainage. Don't say it doesn't happen. It happened on Lowe's

856
01:00:14,245 --> 01:00:16,685
Road. That road flooded for a long time before the

857
01:00:16,786 --> 01:00:19,885
city corrected it. It's too late if somebody gets hit

858
01:00:19,906 --> 01:00:21,965
by a car because they were walking on the road

859
01:00:22,306 --> 01:00:26,051
because it's the only place to walk. It's too late

860
01:00:26,152 --> 01:00:28,931
if your house burns down or your child dies because

861
01:00:28,971 --> 01:00:33,154
the emergency vehicle cannot get through. You will be liable

862
01:00:33,255 --> 01:00:37,903
City. I'm not ejecting to new development. I know it's

863
01:00:38,084 --> 01:00:41,513
going to continue. But there should be a more tarmy

864
01:00:41,513 --> 01:00:45,353
on any new development until the city does its part

865
01:00:45,454 --> 01:00:49,993
and puts a proper infrastructure in place. You're asking us

866
01:00:50,033 --> 01:00:54,786
to change our neighbourhood. We're saying, yeah. When it is

867
01:00:54,826 --> 01:00:59,922
safe to do so. Thank you. Thank you very much

868
01:01:00,023 --> 01:01:03,122
for your thoughts and your presentation. If you want to

869
01:01:03,143 --> 01:01:06,002
wait right there, I'll see if my colleagues would have

870
01:01:06,002 --> 01:01:10,242
any questions for you. Committee members. Yes. Remember good fellow.

871
01:01:10,242 --> 01:01:12,882
Yes. Through the chair to the, um, delegate. I just

872
01:01:12,922 --> 01:01:15,762
have one question. You mentioned a street survey. Um, that

873
01:01:15,802 --> 01:01:18,882
you had identified where it was talking about the conditions

874
01:01:18,882 --> 01:01:21,522
of the street. Do you have a date on that?

875
01:01:21,522 --> 01:01:23,202
Just I'm trying to put it in the timeline between

876
01:01:23,543 --> 01:01:27,682
when, you know, some of these applications started coming forward.

877
01:01:27,682 --> 01:01:31,289
And when some of these reports have been written. So

878
01:01:31,289 --> 01:01:34,009
I'm not sure what you're referring to. Okay. My apologies.

879
01:01:34,009 --> 01:01:35,849
I must have misheard it then. Yeah. Okay. Thank you.

880
01:01:36,511 --> 01:01:43,491
Thank you. Any other questions for this applicant. Seeing none.

881
01:01:43,531 --> 01:01:47,171
I want to thank you sincerely again for your presentation.

882
01:01:47,171 --> 01:01:50,251
Um, I'm sure that, um, our committee is going to

883
01:01:50,952 --> 01:01:54,771
have something of a conversation about it. And what you've

884
01:01:55,512 --> 01:01:59,411
said to us has, has been very insightful. So thank

885
01:01:59,411 --> 01:02:03,561
you very much again. Madam Secretary Treasurer, do we have

886
01:02:03,561 --> 01:02:08,179
any other registered delegates. Mr. Chair, yes, we do. The

887
01:02:08,179 --> 01:02:11,959
last registered delegate is you made ARMUS and that individual

888
01:02:12,220 --> 01:02:18,951
is appearing online. Hello. Can you hear me? Hello, uh,

889
01:02:18,951 --> 01:02:21,986
can you state your name for the record plead. Yes.

890
01:02:22,007 --> 01:02:24,466
So my name is Yumei de Armas and I leave

891
01:02:24,487 --> 01:02:28,644
at Malvern present. So, um, you may have heard with

892
01:02:28,684 --> 01:02:31,524
the other people who have addressed the committee that you

893
01:02:31,524 --> 01:02:36,084
have 10 minutes to, um, state your point of view

894
01:02:36,105 --> 01:02:39,444
on this application. So whenever you're ready, please go ahead.

895
01:02:40,647 --> 01:02:43,986
Sure. So I leave right on Malver Crescent. We connect

896
01:02:44,167 --> 01:02:47,186
right into Ridgway. I believe here for about five years

897
01:02:47,287 --> 01:02:50,866
now. I sacrifice a lot to buy a house in

898
01:02:50,906 --> 01:02:53,906
this area. This used to be such a quiet, peaceful

899
01:02:53,927 --> 01:02:57,106
neighbourhood to raise a family. I know the rules that

900
01:02:57,106 --> 01:02:59,826
you have to follow. And I'm well aware that the

901
01:02:59,866 --> 01:03:02,866
old T previously approved a single severance on our street

902
01:03:03,127 --> 01:03:06,522
at 34 Ridgway. But back then, that was treated as

903
01:03:06,562 --> 01:03:10,930
a standalone one time in field case. After that, the

904
01:03:10,930 --> 01:03:14,150
Committee of Adjustment approved another one. And now we are

905
01:03:14,190 --> 01:03:18,345
looking at yet another one at Fori Ridgway. This makes

906
01:03:18,526 --> 01:03:22,122
three lots in a row. What makes this completely unacceptable

907
01:03:22,463 --> 01:03:24,842
is that this is no longer a one - time

908
01:03:24,943 --> 01:03:30,210
infield. We're watching a systematic takeover of our street. In

909
01:03:30,210 --> 01:03:35,330
fact, developer's own cover letter explicitly lays out how easily

910
01:03:35,751 --> 01:03:39,170
this will continue. Stating that they can take part of

911
01:03:39,671 --> 01:03:44,376
the side yard at 40 stitches together with 42. A

912
01:03:44,376 --> 01:03:49,176
manufacturer, a massive frontage just to squeeze former logs in.

913
01:03:49,860 --> 01:03:55,112
It is a compounding runaway loop of continuous teardowns. We

914
01:03:55,293 --> 01:03:59,272
have already said by and watch other single homes during

915
01:03:59,312 --> 01:04:03,512
to multi - unit conversions, bringing clothes to 80 rooms

916
01:04:03,933 --> 01:04:08,510
right into our immediate pocket. Now developers want to do

917
01:04:08,531 --> 01:04:11,790
it again, which is going to flood our tiny street.

918
01:04:12,887 --> 01:04:16,704
What's the limit 200 people, 300 people. That's more than

919
01:04:16,725 --> 01:04:19,824
the population of the holes street. In three or four

920
01:04:20,245 --> 01:04:26,487
single lots. What's their plan? More rooms. This continues destruction

921
01:04:26,527 --> 01:04:31,931
of our neighbourhood character. It's actively hurting existing homeowners. Traditional

922
01:04:32,192 --> 01:04:35,211
family homes put up for say on and around our

923
01:04:35,312 --> 01:04:39,211
street. Start sitting on the market for over a year.

924
01:04:39,211 --> 01:04:43,531
And are now selling for around 750K. So 33 rich

925
01:04:43,531 --> 01:04:46,771
way was sold after two years in the market, a

926
01:04:46,771 --> 01:04:50,891
house in a lot of 14, 000 square feet way

927
01:04:50,931 --> 01:04:54,251
lower than they should have been gotten. Nobody except developers

928
01:04:54,832 --> 01:04:59,116
are interesting. These lots anymore. Worse than that. The city

929
01:04:59,137 --> 01:05:03,116
keeps green lighting all of these without fixing the basic

930
01:05:03,116 --> 01:05:08,503
safety of our street. Readway and Malbor, an exceptionally narrow

931
01:05:08,524 --> 01:05:10,823
rose as you have here already from a few people.

932
01:05:11,783 --> 01:05:15,042
Tarkin is not allowed on the street. So emergency cars

933
01:05:15,463 --> 01:05:19,302
cannot go back. And there are no sidewalks. My house

934
01:05:20,283 --> 01:05:24,582
sits right on a corner with mature trees and terrible

935
01:05:24,603 --> 01:05:29,302
visibility, which means my kids have to step directly into

936
01:05:29,342 --> 01:05:32,579
the road just to walk to school. I am not

937
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:37,059
exaggerating when I say that they're having multiple terrifying moments

938
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,219
where I have physically had to show them into the

939
01:05:39,259 --> 01:05:43,299
ditch just to dodge and common traffic. And yes, like

940
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,779
I know in some of the papers on paper, it

941
01:05:46,779 --> 01:05:49,139
might look like the traffic's non - increased match because

942
01:05:49,179 --> 01:05:51,619
some of these rooms, those people, they don't have a

943
01:05:51,659 --> 01:05:54,659
car, but they do order their Amazon. They do or

944
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:57,459
they. And we are talking about 80 more people that

945
01:05:57,499 --> 01:06:02,016
we have right now. Doing delivery. So we see cars

946
01:06:02,056 --> 01:06:06,679
go by really quickly. Since these applicants started coming. So

947
01:06:07,300 --> 01:06:10,559
I'll try reaching out to traffic services and councillors to

948
01:06:10,660 --> 01:06:14,159
get safety fixes for almost two years now. I keep

949
01:06:14,180 --> 01:06:17,839
begging. I keep asking for speed bumps or lower speed

950
01:06:17,860 --> 01:06:21,199
limits because the science has 40, but most cars were

951
01:06:21,380 --> 01:06:26,210
to 50 or 60. And just keep getting a no.

952
01:06:26,210 --> 01:06:28,370
The City tells me that the traffic common requests are

953
01:06:28,791 --> 01:06:32,290
paused. The speed limits won't change because it's not in

954
01:06:32,330 --> 01:06:35,210
a school area. And the mystery has to wait in

955
01:06:35,311 --> 01:06:40,164
AQ indefinitely. How can the city justify refusing to make

956
01:06:40,585 --> 01:06:45,524
the street safe while simultaneously approving massive population and traffic

957
01:06:45,545 --> 01:06:50,304
spikes. I understand that on paper traffic studies might not

958
01:06:50,304 --> 01:06:54,064
be needed. But reality what I see every day, it's

959
01:06:54,064 --> 01:06:57,853
very different. I get a previous cases where pushed through

960
01:06:58,114 --> 01:07:02,173
or approved. But these applications relies on the idea that

961
01:07:02,194 --> 01:07:07,797
nearby spaces can just absorb the overflow. The logic only

962
01:07:07,837 --> 01:07:11,402
work when you spew as a nice related incident. Now

963
01:07:11,503 --> 01:07:15,242
that is happening over and over again on a narrow

964
01:07:15,263 --> 01:07:19,242
street where packing is strictly prohibited. It is breaking the

965
01:07:19,423 --> 01:07:24,706
physical space of our neighbourhood. And for some context, when

966
01:07:24,706 --> 01:07:27,906
the first application went to the OLT, one of the

967
01:07:27,927 --> 01:07:30,946
reasoning behind was that they could actually park on the

968
01:07:31,687 --> 01:07:36,034
street behind ours. I don't remember Oak Rich. That's no

969
01:07:36,034 --> 01:07:40,434
longer applicable cars keep coming. So if the applicant was

970
01:07:40,455 --> 01:07:42,994
to take this to the OT, let them go. This

971
01:07:43,034 --> 01:07:45,634
is a brand new application. And it is a systematic

972
01:07:45,735 --> 01:07:51,072
takeover of our street. Not an isolated infield. We cannot

973
01:07:51,112 --> 01:07:54,512
keep rubber stamping this high density severance. As without putting

974
01:07:54,533 --> 01:07:59,808
proper pedestrian safety pairs first, please. Step back. Look at

975
01:07:59,848 --> 01:08:02,608
the big picture of what's happening to us and refuse

976
01:08:02,629 --> 01:08:07,717
this application. Thank you very much. Thank you very much

977
01:08:07,818 --> 01:08:11,157
for your, um, presentation. And if you want to write

978
01:08:11,258 --> 01:08:14,837
right there, um, we may have some questions. Committee members,

979
01:08:14,837 --> 01:08:22,162
do you have any questions for the delegate. Um, seeing

980
01:08:22,263 --> 01:08:28,162
none, you did mention the OLT. And, um, the decision

981
01:08:28,202 --> 01:08:32,976
that was made on earlier applications, um, and. You may

982
01:08:32,997 --> 01:08:36,896
also be aware that, uh, this committee, um, rejected initially

983
01:08:38,117 --> 01:08:43,296
a similar proposal that was overturned at the OLT. I

984
01:08:43,477 --> 01:08:49,776
wonder if you, um, thought about how that would impact,

985
01:08:49,776 --> 01:08:57,302
um, our decisions. And what do you mean. About the

986
01:08:57,342 --> 01:09:00,822
old T? I mean, um, this committee has, um, has

987
01:09:00,843 --> 01:09:08,102
looked at similar applications on the street. And initially we

988
01:09:08,142 --> 01:09:11,062
did not agree with the application as being minor in

989
01:09:11,102 --> 01:09:16,662
nature. However, the Ontario Land Tribunal did, um, in their

990
01:09:16,662 --> 01:09:21,222
wisdom, um, uh, agree with the applicant. And I'm wondering

991
01:09:21,323 --> 01:09:26,333
if that factors into any of your comments. Yes. So

992
01:09:26,754 --> 01:09:29,453
when we did the OLT and I helped with the

993
01:09:29,453 --> 01:09:33,993
neighbourhood to get a traffic expert and different experts. And

994
01:09:33,993 --> 01:09:36,973
he went to the OLT. The case was approved because

995
01:09:37,234 --> 01:09:38,813
at the end of the day, we were only talking

996
01:09:38,834 --> 01:09:43,693
about one lot. So the judge kept talking about how

997
01:09:43,874 --> 01:09:46,413
this could be able any extra cars that they need

998
01:09:46,453 --> 01:09:48,813
to park. Since they are not allowed to park on

999
01:09:49,154 --> 01:09:52,893
that street, they will overflow into the street behind, which

1000
01:09:52,893 --> 01:09:56,733
I think was O - Rich. And they even represented

1001
01:09:56,754 --> 01:09:59,213
the amount of spaces that there is in this street.

1002
01:09:59,213 --> 01:10:02,093
I don't have the design right now, but they show

1003
01:10:02,114 --> 01:10:05,133
like a design how it will support up to like

1004
01:10:05,314 --> 01:10:08,813
five, six extra cars on that street. And that isolated

1005
01:10:09,394 --> 01:10:13,133
only one case was approved. But my point is the

1006
01:10:13,173 --> 01:10:15,613
second one, it didn't even go to the OLT, Committee

1007
01:10:15,653 --> 01:10:19,933
of Adjustment approved. So now it duplicates. So the amount

1008
01:10:19,973 --> 01:10:23,133
of cars also duplicated. And now we're going to the

1009
01:10:23,394 --> 01:10:26,653
third. So whatever the OLT said, the first time is

1010
01:10:26,653 --> 01:10:28,813
no longer applicable. This is not the case of one

1011
01:10:28,834 --> 01:10:32,333
single application in an existing neighbourhood that may be cool

1012
01:10:32,333 --> 01:10:35,853
tolerate only one. Now we're asking for more. And in

1013
01:10:35,853 --> 01:10:39,533
the cover later from the applicant, you can look at

1014
01:10:39,573 --> 01:10:42,333
the cover letter from the application. You can specifically see

1015
01:10:42,434 --> 01:10:45,293
how they are talking about the extra space that they

1016
01:10:45,293 --> 01:10:47,933
are living next to the 42, which by the way,

1017
01:10:48,274 --> 01:10:51,613
it's renounced save. So the 42 and the 44, it's

1018
01:10:51,613 --> 01:10:55,335
also on sale. And they are talking about doing former

1019
01:10:55,356 --> 01:10:57,335
nodes on the 42. So I think they are living

1020
01:10:57,516 --> 01:11:00,295
that space in between. So in the future, they could

1021
01:11:00,295 --> 01:11:03,415
also do formal lots. Now we are talking about one,

1022
01:11:03,415 --> 01:11:07,255
two, three, four, five lots in a row. The equilibrium

1023
01:11:07,255 --> 01:11:11,545
having like more than 300, 400 people. Like again, I'm

1024
01:11:11,566 --> 01:11:15,545
not against any development, but that kind of intensification doesn't

1025
01:11:15,646 --> 01:11:18,425
belong as 3 that it doesn't have any sidewalks. That

1026
01:11:18,425 --> 01:11:21,785
the lightning is not great. My kids every time they

1027
01:11:21,806 --> 01:11:23,945
stay out, like it's really dangerous. Like I'm telling them

1028
01:11:23,985 --> 01:11:26,665
to walk on the beach. Winter time when they are

1029
01:11:26,705 --> 01:11:29,705
like a snow there. That's not even possible. So we

1030
01:11:29,705 --> 01:11:35,722
are driving more or less walking. And so anyhow. Um,

1031
01:11:35,823 --> 01:11:40,682
I, I hear your point of view about the sidewalks

1032
01:11:40,783 --> 01:11:45,162
and everything else. And wonder if you have, um, spoken

1033
01:11:45,183 --> 01:11:49,874
to your, your city representatives on this issue. I have,

1034
01:11:49,874 --> 01:11:54,674
many times, um, I got redirected to the traffic experts.

1035
01:11:54,674 --> 01:11:57,234
They told me we're going to do like a study

1036
01:11:57,274 --> 01:11:59,794
soon. And they kept saying soon. And I kept reaching

1037
01:11:59,794 --> 01:12:03,874
out. They said fall. I reached out in winter time.

1038
01:12:03,874 --> 01:12:05,874
Like look, I'm a scared. Am I kids like the

1039
01:12:05,914 --> 01:12:09,394
amount of traffic? It's carrying by. Can I just interrupt

1040
01:12:09,434 --> 01:12:13,234
for a second and ask you specifically I'm talking about

1041
01:12:13,655 --> 01:12:16,194
your elected representatives. Have you spoken to them about this.

1042
01:12:17,208 --> 01:12:21,434
Oh, no, sorry. Alida councillors. And the major. I reach

1043
01:12:21,474 --> 01:12:24,954
out to the major ones as well. Um, my word

1044
01:12:25,135 --> 01:12:30,649
councillors. Yeah. I did talk. Okay. Thank you. That's what

1045
01:12:30,689 --> 01:12:33,369
I was getting at. You may be aware the city

1046
01:12:33,409 --> 01:12:35,849
election coming up. So maybe you want to raise it

1047
01:12:35,849 --> 01:12:40,983
with some of the candidates as well. Thank you very

1048
01:12:41,023 --> 01:12:44,743
much. Um, unless my colleagues have any other questions for

1049
01:12:44,743 --> 01:12:49,617
you. Um, thank you very much for your views. Thank

1050
01:12:49,617 --> 01:12:53,945
you so much. Madam Secretary Treasurer, do we have any

1051
01:12:53,985 --> 01:12:58,291
other delegates. Mr. Chair, we don't have any other registered

1052
01:12:58,312 --> 01:12:59,951
delegates, but I don't know if there's any in the

1053
01:12:59,951 --> 01:13:03,491
audience that wish to speak. Okay. Is there anyone in

1054
01:13:03,531 --> 01:13:06,371
the chamber who would like to speak to this application.

1055
01:13:09,709 --> 01:13:12,968
Seeing none. Um, at this point I would ask the

1056
01:13:13,149 --> 01:13:18,488
proponent to the application to come forward. If they wish

1057
01:13:18,509 --> 01:13:21,128
to, um, speak to any of the issues that have

1058
01:13:21,128 --> 01:13:28,976
been raised today. Thanks, Mr. Chair and members of the

1059
01:13:29,016 --> 01:13:31,776
committee, um, for reviewing this and your time on this.

1060
01:13:34,141 --> 01:13:36,560
Um, I don't have too much more to add. We

1061
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:41,800
also support save streets and are aware that, um, sidewalks

1062
01:13:42,141 --> 01:13:49,375
would, would improve those neighbourhood. Um. Recognise that, that this,

1063
01:13:49,375 --> 01:13:53,615
uh, the number of people have mentioned that this is

1064
01:13:53,615 --> 01:13:55,855
high density, but I just like to clarify again, that

1065
01:13:55,855 --> 01:13:58,815
the zoning bylaw says this form of building is low,

1066
01:13:58,855 --> 01:14:01,866
low density residential. Um, and it is a bit of

1067
01:14:01,887 --> 01:14:05,146
an adjustment in this neighbourhood. I'm happy to answer any

1068
01:14:05,167 --> 01:14:11,762
questions. Thank you. Um, Commit members, any further questions either

1069
01:14:11,802 --> 01:14:21,122
for staff or the applicant. Remember Ross. Uh, through you,

1070
01:14:21,122 --> 01:14:25,282
Mr. Chair, this question is to staff. So I gather

1071
01:14:25,383 --> 01:14:32,402
that, um, there was a sidewalk study done in 2016.

1072
01:14:32,864 --> 01:14:37,643
And that's the sort of the, the blueprint for when

1073
01:14:38,624 --> 01:14:43,103
sidewalk improvements are made throughout the city. I hope I'm

1074
01:14:43,204 --> 01:14:47,053
correct in what I'm saying so far. Uh, so to

1075
01:14:47,093 --> 01:14:51,053
the, in 2016, uh, that would be, uh, 10 years

1076
01:14:51,093 --> 01:14:56,173
ago, um, so my question to staff is there an

1077
01:14:56,173 --> 01:15:00,169
opportunity to revisit that study. Uh, or to look at

1078
01:15:00,350 --> 01:15:06,569
certain communities that are under pressure from intensification as a

1079
01:15:06,569 --> 01:15:12,569
result of, um, the provincial legislation that certainly wasn't contemplated

1080
01:15:12,590 --> 01:15:22,576
into 2016. Through the chair to member Ross.

1081
01:15:22,576 --> 01:15:28,816
Currently through discussion with transportation, there is plans to commence

1082
01:15:28,837 --> 01:15:35,097
a pedestrian master plan. Um, that may take some time,

1083
01:15:35,097 --> 01:15:38,777
maybe a few years. And at that time, depending on

1084
01:15:38,817 --> 01:15:42,697
what happens with that master plan, there could be a

1085
01:15:42,697 --> 01:15:50,322
reevaluation. Of sidewalk, uh, needs. And that reevaluation can be

1086
01:15:50,322 --> 01:15:53,302
scored. In different ways that we don't know at this

1087
01:15:53,302 --> 01:15:56,182
point. And there be public consultation to work through that.

1088
01:16:01,822 --> 01:16:09,242
Remember Odds? Uh, just in response. So, uh. So no

1089
01:16:09,343 --> 01:16:18,011
immediate opportunity to, um. The vehicle at this point. That's

1090
01:16:18,011 --> 01:16:20,891
probably the wrong terminology. There's, there's no, uh, mechanism at

1091
01:16:20,931 --> 01:16:27,371
this point for staff to, um, revise the 2016 study.

1092
01:16:27,371 --> 01:16:35,027
That's what I'm, I'm hearing. So, uh. In the interim

1093
01:16:35,928 --> 01:16:40,387
then we continue to approve these applications or we continue

1094
01:16:40,427 --> 01:16:43,827
to support the minor variances or they go to the

1095
01:16:44,088 --> 01:16:49,347
OLT and the OLT supports the minor variants. So it

1096
01:16:49,368 --> 01:16:53,897
does seem that the community is, is left. Trying to

1097
01:16:53,918 --> 01:16:57,609
deal with a situation that's not of their making. Um,

1098
01:16:58,990 --> 01:17:03,529
and that, uh, it's one of the fallouts I'm concluding

1099
01:17:03,870 --> 01:17:08,889
from legislation to permit, uh, the gentle intensification that we're

1100
01:17:08,889 --> 01:17:13,929
seeing across the city. So my final question is when

1101
01:17:14,670 --> 01:17:16,409
approximately when, I don't know if you can answer this

1102
01:17:16,430 --> 01:17:20,893
question without, um, perhaps going into your falls. But is

1103
01:17:20,914 --> 01:17:23,853
there a sense of when this particular street might see

1104
01:17:23,874 --> 01:17:30,614
a sidewalk. Through the chair, uh, that is difficult. Question

1105
01:17:30,614 --> 01:17:34,514
and answer. Um, if you look at our webpage, uh,

1106
01:17:34,715 --> 01:17:38,774
golf. ca get involved cycling and walking or cycling in

1107
01:17:38,774 --> 01:17:42,534
pedestrian. Um, there is a list of current projects underway

1108
01:17:42,875 --> 01:17:47,254
for sidewalk construction, current projects in design and current projects

1109
01:17:47,294 --> 01:17:50,774
planned for the future. Um, we have that list of

1110
01:17:50,875 --> 01:17:55,084
top 100 sites. Through the sidewalk study that was done

1111
01:17:55,585 --> 01:18:01,464
in 2016. Um, currently we're at 20 to 25, um,

1112
01:18:01,905 --> 01:18:06,364
where that score of, of, um, Psywalk need, um, curly

1113
01:18:06,385 --> 01:18:09,964
Malveren sits at 17. So there is no plans at

1114
01:18:10,004 --> 01:18:15,414
the moment. For works. Um, on, uh, Ridgeway.

1115
01:18:20,376 --> 01:18:22,755
They're potentially plans for some work on RCAL, but that's

1116
01:18:22,755 --> 01:18:28,725
also not in, in the budget as I understand. At

1117
01:18:28,765 --> 01:18:35,401
the moment. Just a point of order, remember Ross. This

1118
01:18:35,662 --> 01:18:38,841
isn't a minor variance application. This is a, uh, a

1119
01:18:38,881 --> 01:18:41,801
consent agenda item. So, um, I just wanted to make

1120
01:18:41,801 --> 01:18:44,377
that clear for the record. Uh, thank you for that

1121
01:18:44,478 --> 01:18:46,217
correction, Mr. Chair.

1122
01:18:57,714 --> 01:19:02,173
I do beg your pardon. Um, is there, um, any

1123
01:19:02,213 --> 01:19:06,893
other questions for the applicant. I thought, remember Fritz Patrick,

1124
01:19:06,893 --> 01:19:11,653
I saw your hand earlier. Please go ahead. Thank you,

1125
01:19:11,653 --> 01:19:18,254
Chair, through you too, staff. The delegates raise a series

1126
01:19:18,294 --> 01:19:22,734
of good questions about sort of a creeping intensification on

1127
01:19:22,915 --> 01:19:28,147
the street. And when we step back and look at,

1128
01:19:28,147 --> 01:19:30,227
and I guess I'll preface this by saying I understand

1129
01:19:30,488 --> 01:19:34,667
if they meet all the requirements of this application, we

1130
01:19:34,667 --> 01:19:39,227
can't just reject it because we don't like it. If

1131
01:19:39,227 --> 01:19:42,387
it meets the requirements, enter tied because of the provincial

1132
01:19:42,427 --> 01:19:49,395
government. But is the city actively. Taking sort of. A

1133
01:19:49,656 --> 01:19:53,235
10, 000 metre view of this and, and seeing where

1134
01:19:54,296 --> 01:19:58,195
this intensification is happening and trying to be proactive in

1135
01:19:59,736 --> 01:20:07,051
making it fit in better with, with the neighbourhood. Through

1136
01:20:07,051 --> 01:20:10,011
the charity member, if it's Patrick. So as I mentioned

1137
01:20:10,192 --> 01:20:13,831
in my presentation, we do have traffic study guidelines. And

1138
01:20:13,831 --> 01:20:18,895
those guidelines were crafted. With larger projects in mind, uh,

1139
01:20:18,936 --> 01:20:22,515
and there's a, uh, variety of reasons why one might

1140
01:20:22,555 --> 01:20:25,155
require a traffic impact study, uh, but one of those

1141
01:20:25,155 --> 01:20:28,575
is the volume of traffic anticipated from the development. And

1142
01:20:28,575 --> 01:20:32,095
I believe the number is something like 100 trips, uh,

1143
01:20:32,776 --> 01:20:35,475
during peak hours per day is kind of the threshold

1144
01:20:35,656 --> 01:20:39,535
needed. And none of these projects individually meet that. Um,

1145
01:20:39,535 --> 01:20:43,475
but recognising that, uh, this style of infill development is

1146
01:20:43,576 --> 01:20:47,295
becoming more common and more popular across the city. Um,

1147
01:20:47,295 --> 01:20:50,515
we are kind of taking a closer look at that.

1148
01:20:50,515 --> 01:20:53,155
And we will be evaluating that on more of a

1149
01:20:53,155 --> 01:20:57,315
cumulative effects basis. Um, so at least I can't speak

1150
01:20:57,576 --> 01:21:00,275
for traffic engineering staff, but they have reviewed this application

1151
01:21:00,776 --> 01:21:03,795
and didn't deem, uh, it to be crossing that threshold

1152
01:21:03,896 --> 01:21:06,915
yet. Um, but if applications continue to come in for

1153
01:21:07,176 --> 01:21:09,795
this street and for this neighbourhood, I would anticipate that

1154
01:21:09,816 --> 01:21:12,995
they would require a traffic brief or a traffic study

1155
01:21:12,995 --> 01:21:16,435
of some sort, um, once it reaches a certain threshold

1156
01:21:17,176 --> 01:21:22,479
specifically where that threshold is, I can't say. Understood. Thank

1157
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:30,818
you. Yes. Remember good fellow. Yes. Thank you, Chair. Maybe

1158
01:21:30,919 --> 01:21:35,458
just a follow up first on, um, the questions raised

1159
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:40,498
by, uh, member Ross. Um, I guess this, this is

1160
01:21:40,498 --> 01:21:42,258
not something, this is about sidewalk. So this is not

1161
01:21:42,298 --> 01:21:44,978
something that I fully understand. So I apologise if this

1162
01:21:45,018 --> 01:21:48,178
is not, um, a question. But, uh, this is to

1163
01:21:48,279 --> 01:21:54,018
city staff. I notice in other, uh, consent applications. There's

1164
01:21:54,018 --> 01:21:59,698
often a road widening that's included with the conditions. Help

1165
01:21:59,698 --> 01:22:02,898
me understand that in the context of a situation like

1166
01:22:02,938 --> 01:22:06,258
this, you know, there is no road widening that's been

1167
01:22:06,359 --> 01:22:08,978
proposed here. Certainly we're hearing that there is some concern

1168
01:22:08,978 --> 01:22:11,938
about the road. And I guess I've just never asked

1169
01:22:11,978 --> 01:22:15,058
the question to understand why in, in some cases, there

1170
01:22:15,079 --> 01:22:17,778
is a road widening included and in others perhaps not.

1171
01:22:20,869 --> 01:22:26,288
Through the chair. Um, there is, um, some outlined information

1172
01:22:26,469 --> 01:22:32,208
through our official plan that speaks to where road windings

1173
01:22:32,248 --> 01:22:35,388
are necessary. Okay. And that's, and that is usually, um,

1174
01:22:35,509 --> 01:22:40,768
determined in the past by, um, transportation and through consultation

1175
01:22:40,869 --> 01:22:45,488
through different departments. And it's updated over time if needed.

1176
01:22:47,616 --> 01:22:50,615
Okay. Thank you just to follow up on that. Um,

1177
01:22:50,896 --> 01:22:53,755
so in this case, it would not be on the

1178
01:22:53,856 --> 01:22:58,555
official plan because this is still considered low density residential.

1179
01:22:58,555 --> 01:23:02,955
Uh, and maybe not following under, um, a situation where

1180
01:23:03,696 --> 01:23:07,915
road widening would be required or necessary for transportation. I

1181
01:23:07,915 --> 01:23:15,748
kind of following that. Through the chair. Um. Oh, Eric.

1182
01:23:15,748 --> 01:23:18,148
I think you can answer that question. Probably that if

1183
01:23:18,148 --> 01:23:21,668
I may interject, uh, through you, Mr. Chair, so when

1184
01:23:21,668 --> 01:23:26,228
we're talking about road widenings, what's being talked about is

1185
01:23:26,569 --> 01:23:28,948
the width of the right of way. The road right

1186
01:23:28,988 --> 01:23:32,468
away. So the right of way, uh, on Ridgeway Avenue,

1187
01:23:32,468 --> 01:23:35,268
I believe is, is 20 metres. Um, but the actual

1188
01:23:35,849 --> 01:23:39,508
physical like asphalted road is about seven metres to seven

1189
01:23:39,508 --> 01:23:42,468
to eight metres in width. So I think the problem

1190
01:23:42,489 --> 01:23:44,868
here is the width of the right of way, which

1191
01:23:44,868 --> 01:23:47,588
is what, what is being talked about when, uh, road

1192
01:23:47,609 --> 01:23:50,228
widening is being contemplated. It's adding to the right of

1193
01:23:50,228 --> 01:23:53,268
way of the roadway. Um, I think the concern here

1194
01:23:53,308 --> 01:23:57,108
is the construction of the roadway itself. Um, considering it

1195
01:23:57,148 --> 01:24:00,468
still has that, uh, more roll cross section with ditches

1196
01:24:00,508 --> 01:24:03,748
on either side rather than sidewalks. Okay. Thank you. I

1197
01:24:03,849 --> 01:24:07,588
really appreciate that helpful clarification. Was it something that I

1198
01:24:07,609 --> 01:24:11,668
had ever asked before? Um, can I ask another question?

1199
01:24:11,668 --> 01:24:14,108
Okay. Thank you. Uh, so through the chair again, I

1200
01:24:14,108 --> 01:24:18,548
believe to City staff. We were talking about traffic volumes,

1201
01:24:18,548 --> 01:24:21,828
um, and the conditions that would trigger a traffic impact

1202
01:24:21,929 --> 01:24:24,148
study. I think that makes sense to me. Um, but

1203
01:24:24,169 --> 01:24:29,028
I was wondering with the prevalence of delivery vehicles rising.

1204
01:24:29,882 --> 01:24:32,821
And my own street, they seem to be everywhere. Some

1205
01:24:32,821 --> 01:24:35,541
houses seem to be getting, you know, two deliveries, three

1206
01:24:35,541 --> 01:24:39,221
deliveries a day. How is that accounted for in the

1207
01:24:39,242 --> 01:24:43,781
traffic assessment? Yeah, I think you mentioned, you know, a

1208
01:24:43,781 --> 01:24:47,541
hundred additional net new trips in your notes. So our

1209
01:24:47,541 --> 01:24:50,821
delivery vehicles considered to be part of that assessment.

1210
01:24:58,047 --> 01:25:01,866
Through the chair. So my understanding is, is, uh, that,

1211
01:25:01,866 --> 01:25:04,026
uh, that criteria of the 100 trips was based on

1212
01:25:04,287 --> 01:25:07,146
AM and PM peak flow time. So that would be

1213
01:25:07,186 --> 01:25:11,306
primarily considering, um, immuters going to and from work or

1214
01:25:11,346 --> 01:25:14,326
school or whatever engagements they have throughout the day. I'm

1215
01:25:14,326 --> 01:25:20,246
not sure if delivery vehicles are contemplated through that, uh,

1216
01:25:20,287 --> 01:25:23,146
criteria specifically. But if there is a traffic study that's

1217
01:25:23,186 --> 01:25:25,946
done, obviously it would measure any traffic that passes through

1218
01:25:25,986 --> 01:25:29,066
the area. Um, that being said, I'm not sure if

1219
01:25:29,647 --> 01:25:32,186
with the rise of things like Uber Eats and Amazon

1220
01:25:32,226 --> 01:25:34,986
deliveries, whether or not that has been taken into account

1221
01:25:35,887 --> 01:25:39,386
for traffic engineering studies. That's something that I can't speak

1222
01:25:39,407 --> 01:25:43,066
to. I'm not sure if, uh, Jamie can clarify that.

1223
01:25:44,014 --> 01:25:46,033
Okay. Okay. I think that's something that neither of us

1224
01:25:46,654 --> 01:25:49,113
were neither of us are professional transportation engineers. So I

1225
01:25:49,113 --> 01:25:51,753
don't think we can answer that for you, unfortunately. Okay.

1226
01:25:51,793 --> 01:25:54,793
Thank you. Uh, follow a question on traffic studies, please.

1227
01:25:56,174 --> 01:26:00,713
I also noted, um, I guess I didn't see and

1228
01:26:00,753 --> 01:26:04,233
have an encountered kind of the outcome of traffic impact

1229
01:26:04,414 --> 01:26:07,353
study. Can you just talk in general terms when a

1230
01:26:07,374 --> 01:26:11,973
traffic impact study is completed for a new development? And

1231
01:26:12,334 --> 01:26:16,233
there are concerns raised by the traffic engineer what kind

1232
01:26:16,334 --> 01:26:23,513
of consequences? What kinds of changes modifications revisions may come

1233
01:26:23,553 --> 01:26:26,233
out of that? I'm just not familiar enough with traffic

1234
01:26:26,254 --> 01:26:31,132
impact studies to understand that. Through the chair. Um, yeah,

1235
01:26:31,172 --> 01:26:35,292
these traffic impact studies are usually sculpt by traffic engineering,

1236
01:26:35,292 --> 01:26:38,713
uh, when they are required. There will be a meeting

1237
01:26:38,814 --> 01:26:41,993
to discuss with the applicant at that time what would

1238
01:26:41,993 --> 01:26:44,713
need to be looked at. Where would what intersections would

1239
01:26:44,753 --> 01:26:47,993
have to be looked at in a certain scale of

1240
01:26:48,033 --> 01:26:52,073
that depending on the actual application? Um, through the, through

1241
01:26:52,113 --> 01:26:56,393
that study, there may be requirements for cross sections or

1242
01:26:56,393 --> 01:27:03,113
crosswalks. Um, signalization at intersections. Um, general improvements to, to

1243
01:27:03,153 --> 01:27:06,777
the, to the, to the route. Usually crossings and, and

1244
01:27:07,518 --> 01:27:13,482
signalization. Okay. Thank you. And a follow up question. So,

1245
01:27:13,482 --> 01:27:17,802
uh, through the chair, back to staff. So in this

1246
01:27:17,842 --> 01:27:21,322
case where there is a narrow road, is it the

1247
01:27:21,322 --> 01:27:26,042
case that the traffic PAC study might identify that the

1248
01:27:26,303 --> 01:27:32,922
roadway is narrow and that improvements might be recommended? Is

1249
01:27:32,922 --> 01:27:36,492
it that kind of thing that might crop up. Or

1250
01:27:36,532 --> 01:27:39,212
is that going beyond the typical scope of a trafficked

1251
01:27:39,252 --> 01:27:42,230
impact study. Through the chair, my understanding is that's beyond

1252
01:27:42,270 --> 01:27:44,470
the scope of the impact study. The impact study looks

1253
01:27:44,510 --> 01:27:51,430
more towards the signalization, um, line paintings, um, crossings, whether

1254
01:27:51,470 --> 01:27:54,070
it be a signalized crossing or just a regular pedestrian

1255
01:27:54,110 --> 01:27:59,696
crossing, um, things of that nature. Okay. Okay. Thank you.

1256
01:27:59,717 --> 01:28:03,776
Um, and I finally, sorry, I have one additional question.

1257
01:28:03,776 --> 01:28:06,256
I kind of went deep into traffic. Um, you're making

1258
01:28:06,277 --> 01:28:10,416
my job a lot easier. Go ahead, please. Uh, so

1259
01:28:10,597 --> 01:28:14,336
through the chair back to staff, there was one bullet

1260
01:28:14,376 --> 01:28:17,856
that I thought was interesting in the triggers for a

1261
01:28:17,856 --> 01:28:20,096
traffic impact study, um, and I'll just read it here

1262
01:28:20,517 --> 01:28:25,216
that the development is not envisioned by land use plans.

1263
01:28:25,216 --> 01:28:30,816
And, um, I guess when the original, uh, planning was

1264
01:28:30,856 --> 01:28:34,576
done for this neighbourhood, there was no, but you know,

1265
01:28:34,576 --> 01:28:35,936
it was an envision that there would be this much

1266
01:28:36,037 --> 01:28:39,856
traffic because it was just single family dwellings. And so

1267
01:28:40,357 --> 01:28:45,376
I think my question here is, um, in this case,

1268
01:28:45,376 --> 01:28:47,456
I do believe that this development was not envisioned when

1269
01:28:47,477 --> 01:28:51,456
the land use was originally planned. So how is that

1270
01:28:51,637 --> 01:28:55,456
accounted for in the, uh, assessment of whether a traffic

1271
01:28:55,456 --> 01:29:03,024
impact study would be relevant here? Uh, through the chair,

1272
01:29:03,024 --> 01:29:08,144
um, I can't speak directly to transportation engineering's rationale behind

1273
01:29:08,725 --> 01:29:13,824
what they believe, um, when a TIS or a traffic

1274
01:29:13,925 --> 01:29:16,502
brief is required. They did take a look at the

1275
01:29:16,502 --> 01:29:23,118
site. Normally these traffic studies are looking at larger. Developments,

1276
01:29:23,118 --> 01:29:27,198
including, um, medium density, large density. In this case, it's

1277
01:29:27,238 --> 01:29:32,238
a small density. Um, site, um, so at this time,

1278
01:29:32,238 --> 01:29:37,197
it was not. A requirement, but maybe, um, a requirement

1279
01:29:37,237 --> 01:29:40,477
in the future if there are future applications and development

1280
01:29:40,978 --> 01:29:44,442
in this area. Okay. I have, I was, I apologise.

1281
01:29:44,442 --> 01:29:47,082
That was very helpful, but it triggered one additional question.

1282
01:29:47,082 --> 01:29:50,602
So through the chair, um, they, my question is whether

1283
01:29:51,343 --> 01:29:55,962
a traffic impacts study done today would be then helpful

1284
01:29:56,783 --> 01:30:00,522
in future developments on this street. Because I think we

1285
01:30:00,623 --> 01:30:03,162
are hearing that there could be more of these types

1286
01:30:03,202 --> 01:30:07,482
of infill developments coming in the neighbourhood. And is it

1287
01:30:07,482 --> 01:30:11,242
the case that having that document now could help inform

1288
01:30:11,903 --> 01:30:15,162
that future applications, which would almost certainly be coming to

1289
01:30:15,202 --> 01:30:22,830
the committee. Through the chair, transportation is already aware of

1290
01:30:23,491 --> 01:30:28,190
the applications that are coming in through this, um, on

1291
01:30:28,211 --> 01:30:31,310
the street and through in this neighbourhood. So they do

1292
01:30:31,811 --> 01:30:35,310
know, um, what's occurring. So that is part of their

1293
01:30:35,651 --> 01:30:39,210
scope that they look at when, when they're assessing, um,

1294
01:30:39,891 --> 01:30:43,843
the needs for any sort of study. Um. Whether or

1295
01:30:43,843 --> 01:30:48,162
not a study now would help. Any more information could

1296
01:30:48,263 --> 01:30:51,922
would currently help. But at this time, it's not needed

1297
01:30:52,183 --> 01:30:57,112
for the site. And perhaps just one clarification on that.

1298
01:30:57,112 --> 01:31:00,712
So it's not needed for this particular standalone development or

1299
01:31:00,712 --> 01:31:03,832
it is not needed for the cumulative impacts on this

1300
01:31:04,013 --> 01:31:09,677
street. Through the chair at this time. With the cumulative

1301
01:31:09,717 --> 01:31:12,077
impacts, it's hard work for me to say, um, it

1302
01:31:12,098 --> 01:31:17,701
is not needed. But in future, um, applications, if there

1303
01:31:17,741 --> 01:31:23,251
are any. Those cumulative impacts would be assessed. And we

1304
01:31:23,272 --> 01:31:27,651
would determine at that time whether a traffic study brief

1305
01:31:27,992 --> 01:31:32,731
or assessment would be needed. Okay. Uh, thank you. I

1306
01:31:32,731 --> 01:31:34,611
really appreciate the clarity with which you've been able to

1307
01:31:34,611 --> 01:31:39,684
answer those questions. So thank you. Thank you. And remember

1308
01:31:39,705 --> 01:31:44,484
Goodfellow. And remember Spears wants to jump in. Yes, go

1309
01:31:44,484 --> 01:31:47,044
ahead. Do you miss your chair to staff again? I

1310
01:31:47,065 --> 01:31:49,684
want to look at this just a question from a

1311
01:31:49,724 --> 01:31:55,764
much higher level. We talked earlier about infrastructure and projects,

1312
01:31:55,764 --> 01:32:00,884
larger projects that may be net new. And when they're

1313
01:32:00,884 --> 01:32:04,644
planned and contemplated, I'm curious about what responsibility the developer

1314
01:32:04,665 --> 01:32:08,804
has to pay for the infrastructure that has to be

1315
01:32:08,825 --> 01:32:12,164
built in order for them to do their business. We're

1316
01:32:12,164 --> 01:32:15,204
talking about townhouse developments, streets have to be built schools

1317
01:32:15,204 --> 01:32:20,164
have to be built. What proportion of that infrastructure is

1318
01:32:20,265 --> 01:32:24,067
carried by the developer. I don't know if you know

1319
01:32:24,067 --> 01:32:29,740
that, but I certainly don't. Are you asking about development

1320
01:32:29,761 --> 01:32:37,323
charges, member Spears? Sure. Through the chair to member Spear,

1321
01:32:37,323 --> 01:32:40,123
um, yes, development charges are a mechanism that can help

1322
01:32:40,224 --> 01:32:43,643
pay for growth. But when you're talking about larger developments

1323
01:32:43,744 --> 01:32:47,643
like subdivisions and whatnot, there are subdivision agreements, uh, and

1324
01:32:47,683 --> 01:32:50,043
draft plan approvals of subdivisions have a long list of

1325
01:32:50,083 --> 01:32:53,883
conditions, um, and a lot of those conditions involve cost

1326
01:32:53,904 --> 01:32:57,403
sharing or the developer paying for some or all of

1327
01:32:57,504 --> 01:33:00,763
certain bits of infrastructure that are necessary to service that

1328
01:33:00,864 --> 01:33:03,963
development. Um, so there are mechanisms in place for those

1329
01:33:04,003 --> 01:33:08,123
larger style developments. Uh, I think kind of the, what

1330
01:33:08,123 --> 01:33:10,203
the city is struggling with here is that those type

1331
01:33:10,203 --> 01:33:14,363
of mechanisms weren't originally envisioned for developments of this scale,

1332
01:33:14,363 --> 01:33:15,723
right? So that's something that the city is having to

1333
01:33:15,744 --> 01:33:18,843
adapt to, um, and that's something that we're actively working

1334
01:33:18,883 --> 01:33:24,238
on. Okay. Because where I'm headed here is this, and

1335
01:33:24,238 --> 01:33:27,018
it's this, it's the creeping nature of this. Sure, we

1336
01:33:27,399 --> 01:33:29,698
have one, we have two, we have three. Maybe we

1337
01:33:29,738 --> 01:33:31,698
have seven eight or nine. And we're, it's not just

1338
01:33:31,959 --> 01:33:35,170
Ridgway. Clearly, we're seeing this all over the place. When

1339
01:33:35,210 --> 01:33:36,770
do they have to step up and start paying for

1340
01:33:36,810 --> 01:33:41,170
this? When does the development charge kick in? Because it

1341
01:33:41,191 --> 01:33:45,010
seems obvious that it's happening. And I'm really asking the

1342
01:33:45,010 --> 01:33:48,157
question, are they paying for it? Is there any way

1343
01:33:48,157 --> 01:33:52,077
that we as the citizens of wealth get our money

1344
01:33:52,077 --> 01:33:56,601
back. That's with the chair to member spears again. So

1345
01:33:58,262 --> 01:34:01,921
there has been discussions with, with transportation staff, I was

1346
01:34:01,961 --> 01:34:07,901
speaking with the manager of transportation engineering, uh, earlier. Um,

1347
01:34:07,901 --> 01:34:10,801
and this unfortunately isn't something that we have a mechanism

1348
01:34:10,822 --> 01:34:14,561
in place right now to ask for, uh, money from

1349
01:34:14,662 --> 01:34:19,101
developers for individual severances. Um, but that's something that, uh,

1350
01:34:20,342 --> 01:34:23,841
staff are considering and might be something, uh, that we

1351
01:34:23,841 --> 01:34:25,681
have to explore in the future. Or rather, it is

1352
01:34:25,681 --> 01:34:27,681
something we are exploring and something that might be in

1353
01:34:27,681 --> 01:34:30,321
effect in the future. Um, but in terms of development

1354
01:34:30,342 --> 01:34:33,201
charges, that's something that is typically applied at building permit

1355
01:34:33,241 --> 01:34:37,281
stage for all developments, regardless of their scale. Uh, I

1356
01:34:37,321 --> 01:34:41,121
believe there are some exemptions, um, for certain types of

1357
01:34:41,142 --> 01:34:46,081
development. But, uh, all scales of development, uh, would theoretically

1358
01:34:46,182 --> 01:34:50,241
have to pay development charges? Yes. Thank you. That answers

1359
01:34:50,241 --> 01:34:56,152
my question. Any other, um, questions for staff or for

1360
01:34:56,192 --> 01:35:00,467
the applicant. Seeing none, I want to thank our Committee

1361
01:35:00,467 --> 01:35:05,507
members, uh, for robust discussion on this at this point.

1362
01:35:05,507 --> 01:35:08,627
I think, um, it's up to us to come to

1363
01:35:08,667 --> 01:35:12,307
some decision. So I would like to entertain a motion

1364
01:35:12,488 --> 01:35:12,947
committee member.

1365
01:35:26,722 --> 01:35:29,747
For approval with condition. Thank you. And do we have

1366
01:35:29,747 --> 01:35:37,853
a seconder. Remember Ross. Is there any discussion on the,

1367
01:35:37,853 --> 01:35:44,017
uh, motion before us. Member Spears? Yeah, I think that

1368
01:35:44,518 --> 01:35:46,897
we're talking about the traffic study. And while I understand

1369
01:35:47,478 --> 01:35:51,857
from staff that this particular situation at this very moment

1370
01:35:51,958 --> 01:35:57,937
doesn't require traffic study. All of these things take forever.

1371
01:35:57,937 --> 01:36:00,577
And even if we said as a condition, that it's

1372
01:36:00,617 --> 01:36:05,457
required, like I'm not sure when that would get done.

1373
01:36:05,457 --> 01:36:06,737
Would it be, would it, I don't know how to

1374
01:36:06,758 --> 01:36:10,897
phrase this, but I would like to bundle some protection

1375
01:36:11,078 --> 01:36:14,177
for the, for the community in here, because it's not

1376
01:36:14,177 --> 01:36:16,737
going to stop. I thought it was one off fine,

1377
01:36:16,737 --> 01:36:20,397
but it isn't. It's clearly not. You know, drive down

1378
01:36:20,397 --> 01:36:21,957
the street, see the for sale science. It's going to

1379
01:36:21,957 --> 01:36:24,877
keep happening. So we need to figure out a way

1380
01:36:24,917 --> 01:36:28,637
to insert a condition that protects them and gets this

1381
01:36:28,637 --> 01:36:31,517
thing moving faster than it appears to want to move

1382
01:36:31,557 --> 01:36:34,157
right now. Because I'm hearing years before this is even

1383
01:36:34,197 --> 01:36:38,797
contemplated. So I know I can't change your, you made

1384
01:36:38,837 --> 01:36:42,558
a motion. And we'll see how that goes. But maybe

1385
01:36:42,558 --> 01:36:45,758
we make another motion, which adds a condition. And we

1386
01:36:45,758 --> 01:36:48,078
have to figure out how to word it that forces

1387
01:36:48,179 --> 01:36:53,359
traffic study. And I don't, and I say that knowing

1388
01:36:53,460 --> 01:36:57,002
that city staff just said, we don't need one. Which

1389
01:36:57,023 --> 01:36:59,322
says to me that city staff won't support this and

1390
01:36:59,362 --> 01:37:02,442
it puts us right back in this, this cycle of,

1391
01:37:02,442 --> 01:37:04,682
we can say no, but then city staff won't support

1392
01:37:04,722 --> 01:37:06,522
us when it goes to the OT. So it's just

1393
01:37:07,183 --> 01:37:09,722
wasted time. So I'm not sure how to go forward

1394
01:37:09,903 --> 01:37:16,123
with this. So, um, yes, remember good for. Yes. I

1395
01:37:16,163 --> 01:37:19,803
actually was thinking perhaps along the same lines. And I

1396
01:37:19,904 --> 01:37:24,043
am mindful that, um, for Edinburgh where there was again,

1397
01:37:24,083 --> 01:37:27,483
granted, a much larger thoroughfare. But there was a traffic

1398
01:37:27,584 --> 01:37:31,803
impact study done on the earlier applications, which then was

1399
01:37:32,784 --> 01:37:35,563
re - upped or updated and came back to us

1400
01:37:35,744 --> 01:37:38,683
and was actually somewhat reassuring when we saw it that

1401
01:37:39,184 --> 01:37:42,363
it had been considered a traffic engineer had reviewed it.

1402
01:37:42,363 --> 01:37:43,723
And so I think that's kind of where I was

1403
01:37:43,824 --> 01:37:47,243
thinking, um, was that perhaps a condition here would make

1404
01:37:47,283 --> 01:37:49,563
sense because at least then when the next one comes

1405
01:37:49,904 --> 01:37:53,323
and the next one comes, frankly, it gives the developer,

1406
01:37:53,323 --> 01:37:56,283
but also the city and us a formal basis on

1407
01:37:56,323 --> 01:37:59,803
which we can then review and evaluate the next and

1408
01:37:59,843 --> 01:38:01,963
the next and the next application. So that was be

1409
01:38:01,963 --> 01:38:09,901
my perspective. Thank you. So. The discussion on the motion,

1410
01:38:09,901 --> 01:38:15,101
um, a possible amendment. And so, um, I'd like to

1411
01:38:15,122 --> 01:38:19,661
address the amendment first. And so I think, um, I'm

1412
01:38:19,701 --> 01:38:24,221
going to turn to our secretary treasure for some assistance

1413
01:38:24,221 --> 01:38:28,441
on this. Um, were we to consider an amendment? Can

1414
01:38:28,441 --> 01:38:36,324
we do that without addressing the motion before us. Through

1415
01:38:36,364 --> 01:38:40,804
you, Mr. Chair, if the mover member wishes to amend

1416
01:38:40,844 --> 01:38:44,044
their app, um, motion, they could, um, do so. I

1417
01:38:44,044 --> 01:38:49,204
would recommend if the committee is looking at maybe imposing

1418
01:38:49,225 --> 01:38:52,164
a traffic impact study condition, you might want to consult

1419
01:38:52,425 --> 01:38:54,084
with staff to get a bit more of their feedback

1420
01:38:54,665 --> 01:38:57,364
or, um, feedback from the applicant as well. I was

1421
01:38:57,404 --> 01:39:00,244
going there next, but I, I just wanted to get

1422
01:39:00,345 --> 01:39:06,074
the sort of parliamentary rules of order, um. Benefit. The

1423
01:39:06,074 --> 01:39:09,994
whole process. So let me first go to member Mir

1424
01:39:10,335 --> 01:39:14,634
and say, um, would you be, um, would you consider

1425
01:39:14,815 --> 01:39:20,394
a friendly amendment to speak to something about a traffic?

1426
01:39:20,575 --> 01:39:23,674
I would say it will not add any value for

1427
01:39:23,695 --> 01:39:28,794
this special purpose. It's an overall city, a traffic management

1428
01:39:30,095 --> 01:39:32,874
and the whole system has to become at a very

1429
01:39:32,895 --> 01:39:36,794
higher level. From their specialized traffic and all these people

1430
01:39:38,495 --> 01:39:41,994
to find the ways and meals, we should remain focused

1431
01:39:41,994 --> 01:39:45,914
on what has been placed on us as a variates.

1432
01:39:45,914 --> 01:39:52,234
And whether within that scope, we are approving with the

1433
01:39:52,255 --> 01:39:58,154
required condition. And while we wish, which can be done

1434
01:39:58,335 --> 01:40:02,554
anyway that the, uh, this congestion and the traffic should

1435
01:40:02,594 --> 01:40:05,994
be managed. But I think it's, it's beyond the scope

1436
01:40:06,095 --> 01:40:09,114
within which we are talking. It should be taken and

1437
01:40:09,114 --> 01:40:12,234
by the city. We can only recommend them that such

1438
01:40:12,274 --> 01:40:17,114
things should be taken as a outside this scope which

1439
01:40:17,114 --> 01:40:19,914
we are thinking. So I would say we maintain and

1440
01:40:19,954 --> 01:40:23,754
approve this while we can consider and discuss together also

1441
01:40:24,575 --> 01:40:27,494
how that can be presented to them. Because it's not

1442
01:40:28,095 --> 01:40:31,514
this isn't it's many. So it's not and each has

1443
01:40:31,615 --> 01:40:36,218
it so merit. Each area will have its own married.

1444
01:40:36,218 --> 01:40:41,018
It's not so it's a broad discussion. I think I

1445
01:40:41,199 --> 01:40:44,538
have not even sure it comes within our band -

1446
01:40:44,538 --> 01:40:48,378
aid to put such parts than many things will come

1447
01:40:48,639 --> 01:40:51,978
future. Then the street will come that the snow will

1448
01:40:52,018 --> 01:40:54,938
count that the other. So you are opening a window

1449
01:40:56,319 --> 01:41:01,018
unnecessarily beyond your scope of area. So it's I take

1450
01:41:01,018 --> 01:41:05,098
your point. Um, and, uh, I think that, uh, remember

1451
01:41:05,279 --> 01:41:09,098
good fellow pointed out that, um, we had proceeded in

1452
01:41:09,098 --> 01:41:12,538
a similar fashion with a similar project, albeit a larger

1453
01:41:12,719 --> 01:41:17,478
project, um, and, uh, we, we did impose that, uh,

1454
01:41:17,919 --> 01:41:22,058
kind of a, but I'm taking your point that as

1455
01:41:22,079 --> 01:41:27,018
the mover, you're not comfortable with a friendly amendment. Yes.

1456
01:41:27,279 --> 01:41:36,297
Okay. And remember Ross would like to speak. Through you,

1457
01:41:36,297 --> 01:41:41,017
Mr. Chair. I think, um, what member Spears is addressing

1458
01:41:41,438 --> 01:41:45,657
is, is, is very important given the kinds of applications

1459
01:41:45,697 --> 01:41:49,809
that we see before us on a regular basis. And

1460
01:41:49,910 --> 01:41:54,748
it points to, um, a gap. And who pays for

1461
01:41:54,849 --> 01:42:00,357
Intensification. Uh, so, you know, we don't really have the

1462
01:42:00,538 --> 01:42:04,997
answer for that. The whole purpose of the provincial legislation

1463
01:42:05,418 --> 01:42:13,530
is to create more units faster. And when individual applications

1464
01:42:13,631 --> 01:42:19,850
come forward for severances, that's indeed what, uh, is achieved.

1465
01:42:19,850 --> 01:42:25,850
So staff pointed out that for larger projects, there's cost

1466
01:42:25,871 --> 01:42:30,650
sharing. So there are possibly multiple landowners involved in paying

1467
01:42:30,690 --> 01:42:34,383
for things like traffic studies. And certainly for paying for

1468
01:42:34,423 --> 01:42:39,023
things like road improvements or creating roads, but here we

1469
01:42:39,063 --> 01:42:45,903
have an evolving situation where in certain communities, um, they

1470
01:42:46,644 --> 01:42:51,343
are unfairly asked, um, not that, you know, the remedy

1471
01:42:51,604 --> 01:42:53,983
immediate remedy for this, but from their point of view

1472
01:42:54,324 --> 01:42:59,023
unfairly asked to take on the burden of intensification without

1473
01:42:59,124 --> 01:43:05,583
any mechanism, uh, to achieve the level of like a,

1474
01:43:05,583 --> 01:43:12,089
uh, an urban road to support. The cumulative effect. Of

1475
01:43:12,129 --> 01:43:15,609
the intensification. So some of these communities like this particular

1476
01:43:15,630 --> 01:43:19,689
one are harder hit with this than others. And so

1477
01:43:20,030 --> 01:43:26,329
I support what, um, member Speer says intending there that

1478
01:43:27,550 --> 01:43:31,066
how best to address this gap. And for us as

1479
01:43:31,106 --> 01:43:34,746
a committee, it would seem that, um, we're having a

1480
01:43:34,786 --> 01:43:40,826
conversation here about our actual role is, is quite limited

1481
01:43:41,167 --> 01:43:44,986
in terms of, um, it being anything more than a,

1482
01:43:45,026 --> 01:43:48,986
than a suggestion. And to, I think it's probably very

1483
01:43:49,087 --> 01:43:54,106
clear to stop that we struggle with how to go

1484
01:43:54,106 --> 01:44:00,186
about, um, discussing this with the communities that come forward

1485
01:44:00,847 --> 01:44:04,803
expressing the concerns that we've held here today. Uh, so

1486
01:44:05,384 --> 01:44:10,723
I, I understand and support what, um, member Spears Intention

1487
01:44:10,723 --> 01:44:15,363
is I also understand what member Mir is saying in

1488
01:44:15,363 --> 01:44:18,483
terms of is this really the place. Is this really

1489
01:44:18,523 --> 01:44:21,363
the motion for us to come up with some way

1490
01:44:21,403 --> 01:44:29,243
to address this gap. Thank you member Rosh. That's given

1491
01:44:30,144 --> 01:44:33,963
me some, um, considerations as well. But I think, remember

1492
01:44:33,963 --> 01:44:38,123
before I chime in, uh, member, mayor, please. I think

1493
01:44:38,464 --> 01:44:46,043
the linkage with the street congestion, we are making, then

1494
01:44:46,043 --> 01:44:49,003
we are tying the approval with it. And if I

1495
01:44:49,184 --> 01:44:52,123
understand from the staff, it may take four year, five

1496
01:44:52,123 --> 01:44:55,403
years before they will address that part. So should we

1497
01:44:55,504 --> 01:44:58,603
hold and connect it with it? Or should we leave

1498
01:44:58,784 --> 01:45:03,130
it this. And see how city, because it comes a

1499
01:45:03,130 --> 01:45:10,170
hundred percent of the city itself, of their department specialized

1500
01:45:10,271 --> 01:45:14,630
in this, how traffic moves, what are the constituents. But

1501
01:45:14,831 --> 01:45:18,890
approving this, which is within the bylaws which we are

1502
01:45:18,930 --> 01:45:26,970
doing, linking will not, will, are we stopping that disapproval

1503
01:45:27,231 --> 01:45:30,797
is now linked with that. That it is four year,

1504
01:45:30,797 --> 01:45:34,877
they will be putting forward. So how we are doing

1505
01:45:34,917 --> 01:45:38,557
that, I think we should live here, approve this as

1506
01:45:38,597 --> 01:45:41,757
we have done before three, four. And more will be

1507
01:45:41,938 --> 01:45:47,757
coming to us. But this address separately and how we

1508
01:45:47,778 --> 01:45:52,397
can send a separate letter saying we are frequently receiving

1509
01:45:52,738 --> 01:45:56,077
this thing of the consults of, so this should be

1510
01:45:57,778 --> 01:46:01,757
disconnected and take her separately with the city by us

1511
01:46:01,797 --> 01:46:04,877
that we are free quality facing. It's very difficult for

1512
01:46:04,877 --> 01:46:09,357
us because we are very concerned out there. And that

1513
01:46:09,357 --> 01:46:13,197
is a special letter for the community can give for

1514
01:46:13,237 --> 01:46:16,557
them to be taking care of. That how we should

1515
01:46:16,597 --> 01:46:21,517
be addressing these situations, what is the bad date? Is

1516
01:46:21,778 --> 01:46:25,757
it possible, whatever, but not linking. I think we will

1517
01:46:25,797 --> 01:46:31,197
be having more with different concerns. People are concerned, worried.

1518
01:46:31,197 --> 01:46:34,637
But that is a linking with our approvals of this

1519
01:46:35,218 --> 01:46:37,837
should be strictly on the bylaw, which we are facing.

1520
01:46:39,231 --> 01:46:46,175
Okay. And, um, I think, um. I think there's something

1521
01:46:46,196 --> 01:46:51,727
to be said to speaking to staff about the. Legitimacy

1522
01:46:51,767 --> 01:46:59,567
or the efficacy of such an amendment, um, were it.

1523
01:47:00,657 --> 01:47:03,516
Not an amendment, but, uh, were it considered as part

1524
01:47:03,516 --> 01:47:07,777
of a, uh, different motion. So, um, what I'd like

1525
01:47:08,918 --> 01:47:13,297
our committee to consider is that we, um, as member,

1526
01:47:13,398 --> 01:47:17,479
Mir has said we consider this motion. And it passes

1527
01:47:17,820 --> 01:47:21,795
her in fails. And if it does fail that potentially

1528
01:47:21,816 --> 01:47:25,455
we could have another motion and address some of the

1529
01:47:25,496 --> 01:47:30,035
concerns that, uh, members have made, um, about the traffic

1530
01:47:30,075 --> 01:47:35,785
study in a separate motion. What are your thoughts? Member

1531
01:47:35,806 --> 01:47:39,705
spears. I think a member may is probably on the

1532
01:47:39,745 --> 01:47:43,865
money here with, with his perspective. And it also, I've

1533
01:47:43,865 --> 01:47:45,945
been thinking about this as in terms of this creeping

1534
01:47:45,966 --> 01:47:50,745
development as if it's one thing. And the problem is

1535
01:47:51,086 --> 01:47:53,145
that it isn't every one of these things is in

1536
01:47:53,145 --> 01:47:56,665
fact a completely independent. The owners are different. The applicant

1537
01:47:56,705 --> 01:47:59,065
is different. We can't say to this applicant who wants

1538
01:47:59,065 --> 01:48:01,865
to do this property. Oh, you have to do a

1539
01:48:01,905 --> 01:48:05,305
traffic study because it doesn't, it just doesn't reflect reality.

1540
01:48:05,566 --> 01:48:08,825
It's a, it's a larger beast here. And I, and

1541
01:48:08,846 --> 01:48:12,505
I, I, well, I want it to happen. It probably

1542
01:48:12,505 --> 01:48:13,865
isn't the right thing to try and do it this

1543
01:48:13,865 --> 01:48:17,145
way to try and tie cost of a traffic study

1544
01:48:17,566 --> 01:48:22,545
into this particular application. I just, it doesn't sound, it

1545
01:48:22,545 --> 01:48:24,345
doesn't seem practical, even though I want it to happen.

1546
01:48:27,215 --> 01:48:32,192
I hear that. Um, it is, it is essentially cumulative.

1547
01:48:33,558 --> 01:48:37,217
In my estimation. But like you say, we're talking about

1548
01:48:37,478 --> 01:48:45,110
a severance application. Creating, um. A couple of, uh, additional

1549
01:48:45,371 --> 01:48:51,221
buildings. And, um. I, I think at this point it

1550
01:48:51,261 --> 01:48:55,141
would be best if we, um, unless there's any pressing

1551
01:48:55,642 --> 01:49:00,341
concerns that we call to vote. And, uh, take our,

1552
01:49:00,341 --> 01:49:05,605
um, take our chances from there. I think that's been

1553
01:49:05,645 --> 01:49:12,009
a good discussion. So with that, Madam Secretary Treasurer, um.

1554
01:49:13,246 --> 01:49:14,905
Before I turned to you, I'm just going to say

1555
01:49:14,945 --> 01:49:21,558
that I'm uncomfortable, um, with this application. Um, it's a

1556
01:49:21,598 --> 01:49:25,238
severance and it's straightforward. And that lines up and everything's,

1557
01:49:25,259 --> 01:49:31,158
everything's copacitic. Um, that being said, my comment about cumulative

1558
01:49:31,259 --> 01:49:36,358
effect. I'm, I'm concerned. This committee rejected the first application

1559
01:49:36,699 --> 01:49:41,878
on Ridgeway because we, we saw where this train was

1560
01:49:41,918 --> 01:49:47,238
going, um, and their wisdom, the Ontario Land tribunal said,

1561
01:49:47,238 --> 01:49:53,758
um, that no, this, this is acceptable. Um, additionally, as

1562
01:49:53,758 --> 01:49:57,718
I mentioned to one of the delegates, um, this is

1563
01:49:57,718 --> 01:50:01,878
what city council has, uh, has said the direction the

1564
01:50:01,918 --> 01:50:07,638
city's going in. And I followed that discussion quite closely.

1565
01:50:07,638 --> 01:50:11,438
So it's, it's, it's really, um, I'm not going to

1566
01:50:11,438 --> 01:50:16,932
say our hands are tied. They're not. Um, in some

1567
01:50:16,932 --> 01:50:22,612
ways they are. So, um, reluctantly I would support this,

1568
01:50:22,652 --> 01:50:27,457
this motion. Remember Goodfilm. Yes. I wanted to add a

1569
01:50:27,457 --> 01:50:29,617
couple of words as well because I do think that

1570
01:50:29,878 --> 01:50:33,777
I am hearing from city staff and perhaps I am

1571
01:50:33,958 --> 01:50:36,817
over interpreting what I'm hearing. But I think my perception

1572
01:50:36,918 --> 01:50:40,657
of what we've talked about tonight is that there aren't

1573
01:50:40,657 --> 01:50:44,577
these mechanisms that we've been talking about. And, um, yeah,

1574
01:50:44,577 --> 01:50:48,157
I agree, member spears to your point that, you know,

1575
01:50:48,438 --> 01:50:52,637
burdening one applicant with a cost isn't truly fair. But

1576
01:50:52,838 --> 01:50:56,097
neither is it fair to burden the community with the

1577
01:50:56,278 --> 01:50:59,857
cost of this cumulative effects. And neither is it fair

1578
01:51:00,438 --> 01:51:03,457
to burden the city and the rest of the taxpayers

1579
01:51:03,878 --> 01:51:06,657
with doing a traffic impact study when it is such

1580
01:51:06,678 --> 01:51:10,337
a localized, uh, event. And so I think I am

1581
01:51:10,377 --> 01:51:13,377
just, you know, trying to look at ways where we

1582
01:51:13,417 --> 01:51:16,657
can get good and perhaps it's the engineer in me,

1583
01:51:16,657 --> 01:51:18,817
but I am looking for good data and trying to

1584
01:51:18,838 --> 01:51:22,497
understand from a pragmatic point of view, is there an

1585
01:51:22,497 --> 01:51:25,617
opportunity here for us to get decent data on which

1586
01:51:25,638 --> 01:51:30,337
the city and everyone involved applicants us, everyone has some

1587
01:51:30,377 --> 01:51:35,537
information then instead of us speculating about the cumulative impacts,

1588
01:51:35,537 --> 01:51:37,237
then, you know, there is an opportunity. We have the

1589
01:51:37,237 --> 01:51:40,817
data. So for all of that reason and because it

1590
01:51:40,998 --> 01:51:43,137
sounds like the boat's going to go the other way,

1591
01:51:43,137 --> 01:51:45,617
I'm going to be opposed to this one. And mostly

1592
01:51:45,657 --> 01:51:50,177
as an indication that I think the city, the applicant

1593
01:51:50,678 --> 01:51:53,837
and us are all in a bad position here. And

1594
01:51:54,118 --> 01:51:57,617
nobody is, unfortunately, able to transfer the costs to where

1595
01:51:57,638 --> 01:52:00,337
it probably should be allocated. And so that's for that

1596
01:52:00,337 --> 01:52:04,732
reason I'll be opposed. Thank you, member Goodfellow. You almost

1597
01:52:04,772 --> 01:52:09,612
convinced me to change my mind. Any other comments or

1598
01:52:09,793 --> 01:52:14,491
questions on the motion before us. Seeing none, Madam Secretary

1599
01:52:14,592 --> 01:52:17,851
Treasure, would you call to vote, please? Thank you, Chair

1600
01:52:17,872 --> 01:52:20,571
Committee members. Please indicate your vote by responding in favor

1601
01:52:20,832 --> 01:52:23,211
or opposed to the motion, which is to approve the

1602
01:52:23,232 --> 01:52:28,881
application with the recommended conditions by staff. Chair Smith in

1603
01:52:28,921 --> 01:52:38,337
favor. Member Fitzpatrick. In your favor. Member Goodfellow. Opposed. Member

1604
01:52:38,598 --> 01:52:45,736
Mir in favor. Remember Ross in favor. Member spears. Reluctantly

1605
01:52:45,917 --> 01:52:49,949
in favor, sorry for the editorial. That's carried, Mr. Chair.

1606
01:52:51,192 --> 01:52:54,531
Thank you. Um, thank you for your patience, your application

1607
01:52:54,552 --> 01:53:01,712
has been approved. I believe Madam Secretary Treasure, we have

1608
01:53:01,733 --> 01:53:08,191
one more application to go. The last file is file

1609
01:53:08,292 --> 01:53:12,831
A dash 28 slash 26 variance to permit reduced exterior

1610
01:53:12,852 --> 01:53:16,431
side yard setback for proposed conversion of existing carport to

1611
01:53:16,452 --> 01:53:20,671
attach garage at 73 Yorkshire Street South. I'll note for

1612
01:53:20,671 --> 01:53:22,751
those attending remotely. If you wish to speak to this

1613
01:53:22,751 --> 01:53:26,271
application, you can call the number displayed on the screen.

1614
01:53:26,271 --> 01:53:31,131
That number's 519 - 822 - 1260 Extension 2524. And

1615
01:53:31,131 --> 01:53:32,911
when you call in staff, we'll give you instructions on

1616
01:53:32,951 --> 01:53:38,739
how you can delegate remotely. Does the applicant president? Yes,

1617
01:53:38,739 --> 01:53:46,640
please come forward. Um. Before you state your name for

1618
01:53:46,680 --> 01:53:50,960
the record, let me thank you for your patience in

1619
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:55,323
sitting through that last hearing. And with that, can I

1620
01:53:55,323 --> 01:53:57,563
ask for your name and your relationship to this application.

1621
01:53:59,764 --> 01:54:02,463
Bill McFadden from Build Consulting Services and the agent of

1622
01:54:02,503 --> 01:54:05,636
the owner. Thank you. And can you tell me if

1623
01:54:05,657 --> 01:54:08,462
the sign was posted as per the planning act. Yes,

1624
01:54:08,462 --> 01:54:11,342
it was. And have you read Staff's comments on Area

1625
01:54:11,382 --> 01:54:16,104
in agreement. I have and I am. Um, I should

1626
01:54:16,104 --> 01:54:18,104
be have heard. You have 10 minutes to address the

1627
01:54:18,144 --> 01:54:23,225
committee. Uh, good evening. I will try and keep this

1628
01:54:23,265 --> 01:54:27,465
brief. I'm sorry. Uh, we are seeking a reduced side

1629
01:54:27,505 --> 01:54:30,505
yard set back to allow, uh, enclosing the existing car

1630
01:54:30,526 --> 01:54:34,745
port at 73 York Trio Street South, as seen on

1631
01:54:34,785 --> 01:54:38,025
the screen here, uh, where it is six metres required

1632
01:54:38,126 --> 01:54:41,385
setback from the sidewalker from the, uh, on the backside

1633
01:54:41,425 --> 01:54:44,025
of the sidewalk to the building. We have four metres.

1634
01:54:44,025 --> 01:54:47,945
Um, we have had this file previously, uh, for other,

1635
01:54:47,945 --> 01:54:51,825
uh, applications from minor variances, uh, at this site. We

1636
01:54:51,825 --> 01:54:58,165
did have, um, CGH transportation complete a traffic report, uh,

1637
01:54:58,206 --> 01:55:01,705
at the site to get additional comment and support for

1638
01:55:02,366 --> 01:55:05,385
this reduced, uh, setback in order to allow for the

1639
01:55:05,486 --> 01:55:09,257
enclosure of the garage. And, uh, we did, like I

1640
01:55:09,257 --> 01:55:13,057
said, we reviewed staff's comments and we are in support

1641
01:55:13,158 --> 01:55:15,857
and I am available for any questions that, uh, anyone

1642
01:55:15,878 --> 01:55:23,129
may have. Thank you. Um, and are there any, um,

1643
01:55:24,370 --> 01:55:31,250
comments from staff or presentation. Um, seeing none, um, at

1644
01:55:31,290 --> 01:55:35,730
this point, I'll turn to the public. And Madam Secretary,

1645
01:55:35,730 --> 01:55:39,337
is there anyone registered to speak. Mr. Chair can confirm

1646
01:55:39,438 --> 01:55:42,857
no registered delegates for this file. Thank you. And is

1647
01:55:42,897 --> 01:55:44,777
there anyone in the chamber who would like to speak

1648
01:55:44,798 --> 01:55:49,657
to this application? Seeing none. Committee members, do we have

1649
01:55:49,657 --> 01:55:56,014
any questions of the applicant. No, and, um, at that

1650
01:55:56,014 --> 01:56:02,582
point, um, I'm going to entertain a motion. Member Fitzpatrick.

1651
01:56:05,133 --> 01:56:10,152
I motion that we, uh, prove the application as recommended

1652
01:56:10,192 --> 01:56:13,748
by staff. Thank you. And do we have a seconder.

1653
01:56:15,033 --> 01:56:18,623
Five second member. Any discussion on the motion before us.

1654
01:56:20,547 --> 01:56:23,806
Seeing none, Madam Secretary Treasure, would you call the vote,

1655
01:56:23,806 --> 01:56:27,166
please? Thank you, Chair Committee members. Please indicate your vote

1656
01:56:27,187 --> 01:56:29,646
by responding in favor or post to the motion, which

1657
01:56:29,646 --> 01:56:34,206
is to approve the application. Chair Smith in favor. Remember

1658
01:56:34,227 --> 01:56:43,394
Fitzpatrick. Remember, good fellow in favor. Remember Mir in favor.

1659
01:56:44,666 --> 01:56:50,822
Remember Ross in favor. And member spears. In favor. That's

1660
01:56:50,862 --> 01:56:54,182
carried Mr. Chair. Thank you. Your application has been approved.

1661
01:56:56,923 --> 01:57:03,222
Madam Secretary Treasure, I believe that completes our agenda is

1662
01:57:03,222 --> 01:57:07,382
in terms of applications. I do have any staff announcements.

1663
01:57:08,264 --> 01:57:11,898
Mr. Chair, I don't have any staff announcements. Um, at

1664
01:57:12,159 --> 01:57:15,898
that point neither do I. Um, so I would entertain

1665
01:57:16,159 --> 01:57:22,512
a motion to adjourn. So moved. Um, and member spears,

1666
01:57:22,512 --> 01:57:27,031
seconded by member Goodfellow, all in favor. We stand adjourned.

1667
01:57:27,031 --> 01:57:29,271
Thank you very much Committee members. And I would also

1668
01:57:29,612 --> 01:57:32,711
like to thank the new faces at staff for their

1669
01:57:32,732 --> 01:57:34,631
presentation and patients. Thank you.