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Welcome everybody to the Wednesday, August 26th, or not September 9th, meeting of the

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Talgette and Planning Board. Please note the exit, case they're needed. Our first business

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evening is approval of the August 26th, minutes. Can I have a motion?

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So moved. Thank you, Lord, I have a second.

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Second, thank you, Darrell. I'd be further discussion on the minutes and roll call

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Chris, in favor, Laura, in favor?

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In favor?

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In favor?

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Not in favor.

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And the chair is in favor.

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Or at first and only application this evening is a cycling review.

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So she has the special use for medical contracting yard.

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634 in the air state route 146 microclucosio.

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Applicants both need to structure each 12,000 square foot.

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One story building is 7.3 acres.

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Yeah, this is the first time their planning board will be reviewing the cycling.

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just to some background for the board and the members present this evening.

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For special use permits, the planning board's role is just to conduct a review of the

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site plan and to provide comments to the zoning board.

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The zoning board is the agency that will be reviewing the environmental aspects of the project

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and considering approval of the special use permit.

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So I just wanted to make that distinction and clarification in terms of what this board will be doing.

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This is a new application.

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There was a previously proposed contractors yard at this site in 2025.

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There was a different design engineer at that time as well.

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That application was withdrawn.

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We now have a new application for the same use, a new design engineer.

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I did discuss in the memo to the board.

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The changes that were made in this plan versus the 2025 plan.

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Notably, there is a proposed easement off-site for the driveway.

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The way out of the buildings has changed, there were some wetlands that were delineated

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in the 2025 plan, that should be included on this plan.

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We can get into some of those discussion points, but I first wanted to turn it over to

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Luigi Polesci from ABD engineers.

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They are the design engineer on this application.

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Thank you, Ken.

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Good evening.

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So yeah, as Ken mentioned, the Luigi Plus, with ABD engineers and surveyors, representatives in the applicant, Michael Falkusio, Michael Falkusio owns this property located here at 634, 146, it's a 7.27 acre parcel, it's zoned RA3, what he's looking to propose is a contractor yard which as Ken mentioned is an allowed use by a special use permit.

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As we laid it out, we're proposing a single curb cut off of 146.

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Ingress Andy Griss Heemleek.

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Ingress Andy Griss up on the, or that be the westerly end of the site, coming into the site

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and having a parking lot, and three proposed 12,000 square foot buildings.

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The way we've situated the buildings are along Route 146, which will help create a buffer

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on 146 and keeping all the parking and overhead doors on the opposite side of the street.

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As well as the overhead doors and parking that you see, we're also proposing some outdoor

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storage because a lot of these facilities, when they're contractor yards, you typically see

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outdoor storage with that.

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These contractors are your typical small tradesmen that may have some trailers and they

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need to park trailers out back on the outdoor storage areas.

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Utilities on site, we have access to water, as Ken mentioned, the property to the south,

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Mr. Fukuzio also owns that fronts out onto Weaver Street.

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There's public water on Weaver Street and back when there was a residential subdivision.

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There was an easement that was set up on this property to allow future extension of water.

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So water would be extended into this property to feed these buildings with public water.

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Obviously, no sewers, so we're proposing a septic system for three of the buildings.

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As mentioned in an narrative, you know, these contractor buildings will have bathrooms within it.

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So we need septic systems.

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The septic system will be designed for New York State Department of Health standards.

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And that's situated in the green space between the buildings and the road itself.

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To help soften the building landscape, we are proposing new ever green trees along the right of way.

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And that helps soften the alignment of where we have the buildings as you travel 146.

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And if you looked at the building architecture, this is a building that Mr. Fukuzu has already constructed in Rotterdam.

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And on the back side of these buildings facing 146 have some architectural features, so that it's not just a long-blank wall.

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It will have some windows that are actually having an author-fake.

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The real windows to actually allow natural light in,

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but also break up the facade of the building

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as you're traveling the 146 corridor.

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And the style of the buildings will have two colors to it

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as well, so it's not just one blank wall.

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And I believe those renderings are there

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that we can look at later.

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Back to the site plan features, we do understand that

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the easterly side, we have the black creek, and we are complying with the 100-foot set

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back from the black creek to any structure.

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As far as the storm water goes, everything

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does naturally drain to the black creek and what we're proposing are several storm water

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management areas along the easterly side and southern east side of the property, which

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will collect any of the rooftop water, parking lot water, and outdoor storage area, which

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will come into our proposed storm water management areas that need to meet near-state DEC requirements.

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Those will incorporate green infrastructure techniques, or likely proposing a what they

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bio-retention system, which has further filtering media, mulch plantings, so that as the storm

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water runoff comes off the site, it's going to go through the treatment for the storm water

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before it gets released out to the black creek.

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After looking at some of the comments, we do understand that's a concern. And as we develop our stormwater pollution prevention plan, we'll certainly keep that into consideration.

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Lighting will be kept to a minimum. We don't like a lot of light poles. We are proposing building mounted lights in this case. Those lights will be down type LED style, so that, you know, darks the guy compliance.

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so that they're not shining up.

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They're all shining downward.

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What else?

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Yeah, and as far as comparing to a previous site plan

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that was submitted, I did get the opportunity to look

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at that today.

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And as far as the proposed buildings

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that were proposed previously, they were proposing

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well over 36,000 square feet from what we're proposing.

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I think they were up to 40, 4,000 square feet.

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So looking at this plan and the way we configured it,

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we thought this was best for our first initial phase.

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Looking at how do we buffer from the road to the activity

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where the cars are going to be parked,

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as well as keeping it away from the black creek

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away from the neighbors as well.

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Again, back to the narrative, you know, this is RA3. We are here

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for a special use permit. We know we have to go to the ZBA. But, you know, when looking at this

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surrounding neighborhood, you have Stassett's landscaping right across the street, you have Phillips

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gas station and dunking in some convenience stores just Easterly from here. So, we feel that this

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maybe a good transition from like the heavier general business district to a lighter commercial

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in an agricultural setting, which, you know, when you look at these contractor yards,

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we feel that they have very, very little intensive uses than what could potentially be

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here. There are some uses that I looked at that are allowed in RA3 that would definitely be

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more intrusive than what we're proposing here. So yeah, we're here tonight, like Ken said,

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this is our initial submission. You know, we'd love to hear your feedback. We know we got a

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little bit more to go or a lot more to go here. But, you know, this was our initial thought,

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our concept and we'd love to hear your feedback in any other concern. So we can look forward

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to move forward. So, I'll turn it back over to the planning board.

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First question, Luigi, is the wetlands that were previously

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delineated. They're not on this plan. I was, why, you know, it's like you're gonna have a significant

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wetland impact. Yeah, my, you know, so that's a concern of ours. I'm not sure why they're

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not on this plan since it's already been delineated. They may need to be redone. Yeah, and that's

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going to get that. So we do know that we have to get out there and get a wetland biologist to

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read delineate these as you know in January 25 and March and whatnot, you know, the wetlands

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rules have changed. So, you know, we need to look at that. Now the state rules, the state

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states, the state rules, the state rules, the state rules, the state rules, the state rules. Yeah,

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under the current court, this goes before the state. Yeah, under the current court, right. Yeah,

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near is wetland. But yeah, we acknowledge that and we know we have to get a wetland biologist out

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the site because that's a I think a concern of ours is to try to limit any impacts on the

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wetlands and in the larger this complex becomes the bigger the impacts on the wetlands,

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the larger the larger the storage area becomes the larger you know if then you have certainly

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you know we would make a recommendation you know ultimately it's only board it's going to decide

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I would certainly keep wetland impacts to a minimum.

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That's a really close goal.

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And I'm guessing the way you're showing this now,

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you're over a tenth of an acre of wetland impacts here.

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Yeah, I really don't know where the wetlands are.

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I did walk this property in it to me and start to get wet

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as you got closer to Black Creek.

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There's a natural swell right in through here.

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So you don't have the coverage that the previous consultant came up with.

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Yeah, your applicant didn't provide you that.

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I do see that.

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I do see that.

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Right.

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Kind of loaded it on the web here and I pulled all the documents off of that.

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So yeah, we know we have to, you know, further the wetland study.

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I think, you know, just the size of it, you know, you're seeking a substantial area of variance.

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Setback variance, you know, which further increases the impacts on wetlands and storm water

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potential, water quality impacts, you know, this board while we don't

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open on variances, you might get something from this board that would say

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we'd rather you have a design that needs no area variance. Same thing with the

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the easement on to the residential property, you know, to me it seems like

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you're squeezing the orange pretty hard here, Luigi, and I'll try and

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get 36,000 square feet of structure on this parcel that isn't quite large enough to do it.

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So obviously if you read Kent's memo, this board is probably tabling this application

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obviously until we get further information, but that's another concern too, you're utilizing

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the joining, I was thinking myself, why doesn't he just, he's still owns it, why doesn't

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just modified a lot of lines, oh, it's already at the minimum three acres. You can't make

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that lot any smaller. So, you know what I'm getting at is really squeezing a lot in here,

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you know, if it was me, I'd be like, well, ship the driveway down, lose a building and call

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it a day and see what, you know, reduce the impacts on the wetlands, reduce the, you know,

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management, the size of the, that's very size of the, I guess you would reduce your storage

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lot by at least a third probably if you. But so I mean that's our concern. It seems like

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there's a lot being squeezed on here, you know, in any area of variance is, you know, you need

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to utilize an adjoining piece of property for an access easement. So I guess it's tough to get

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It's too far down the line here without, okay, where are you with your wetlands and packs,

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so on, you know, because I think this board would recommend that you certainly don't get

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into an individual permit, because I mean, that's your right, that's your right to try.

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I don't know what this is on board of appeals would say. Obviously, this is a permitted use, it's permitted, you know, it's an allowed use in this district. So some form of this use would move forward. It's just how big, how's it size, you know, I'm sure the one to limit the impacts on potential impacts to the water quality, et cetera. So that if you read Ken's memo, I mean, you know, I don't know.

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know,

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I could say the wetlands impact it's just seemed I didn't do a quick overlay, but it seemed

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like you, you know, you were certainly well over a tenth of an acre. Look that way. Now obviously

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you have to remap them. Yeah, we don't know where the wetlands are. You know, the reason why we put

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the building where we put it close to, you know, the other property that Mr. Fukuzio owns, you know,

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obviously both of those properties are zone the same. So if you have a building, the line is really

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imaginary because, you know, you could put the building, you could put the building on either

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of those properties.

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It's imaginary in a way, but not, I mean, you know, because it's basically the subdivision

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itself, you know, you stuff every piece of property that it could.

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You've got the three acres there, the bare minimum.

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If you wanted to do something this large in the future, maybe you should have saved some

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more property.

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But I realize you want to get the number of lots you want to get in there now. You got to use one of the lots to do the development on this part

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So because this part is not big enough to handle a little by itself

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The use you want to do and then that leads to potentially further impacts

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So that's just you know once again. I don't know you know that with

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And typically probably be our site plan recommendations, you know, would be to try to avoid

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the variances, avoid the encroachment onto the joining residential property, limit the

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the wet land impacts that I'd like, you know, be nice to have no wet land impacts, but

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I'm assuming you're going to have some that can hold up the previous still in the age.

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So this is the 2025 plan, so this shows the wetland area, which are these grayer hashmarked areas.

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So this is the area of the ingressy grass easement on the adjacent residential property.

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So I think there'd be impacts here.

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The highlighted orange area is the tenth of an acre impacts with their previous

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the middle, can use the middle. So this area are wetlands and then this area is wetlands.

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Plus the driveway entrance is wetland.

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Yeah. So the proposed wetland, I don't know what would be ultimately determined.

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So the proposed parking lot, I believe, comes back through this area when you look at it.

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So I think you're going to have definitely more than a tenth of an acre with these impacts,

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these impacts of potentially over here as well.

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We do so that kicks you into either the fee in lieu, wetland mitigation,

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more thorough review by Army Corps, just something to consider.

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Yeah, understood.

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We know we have to go through this process.

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Those wetlands could also be isolated, right?

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I mean, we don't know until we get a biologist out there.

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I don't know who did it before.

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But it was previously mapped and that was brought to this board.

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that license engineer as this is the wet land boundary, understood. So, you know, I can only assume it's going to be quite similar,

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but I don't know if there was ever in the file, I don't know if there ever was a JD letter or anything and I didn't think it got that far.

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There's been some issues raised, the potential historical impact stuff.

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So we would want to see a, of course, bondage from Shippo.

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Yeah.

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So we did something.

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Yes.

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And that automatically triggered that it was not an archeological, but I did read Ken's memo

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and, you know, a lot to look further into that.

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Yeah, no.

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I think I now talk to Ken.

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I don't know whether who submits the Chris on that, whether the town would submit it

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whether you would submit that, you know, that's something we can have a discussion about.

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Shippedo's Chris system really doesn't, it's not a catch all or everything, so just because

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there's not a check mark that gets generated from the EAF map for doesn't mean necessarily

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that there isn't something there that could be of significance. Based on the information that

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was provided, the historical context of it.

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I think it does rise to the level of, I would say,

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that the applicant should admit the application to Shippo.

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As you know, the first step is just their literature review,

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the phase one A, Shippo will then make a determination

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whether you need to do a phase one B in the shuttle fence.

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I think with that information, we'll have to provide it.

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So we'd be looking this board, obviously,

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as Ken said earlier, on the zoning board of appeals,

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So it's going to be the main body with this project.

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But before this board makes any recommendations on the site plan and design, and anything

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moving forward, we'd want a response from Chip Ball, we'd want the wetlands fully delineated.

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I guess I'll talk to the town engineer as far as stormwater, how far long that has to be,

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or has to get, but because ultimately we may make our recommendation on the site plan and

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BBA may or may not follow those recommendations, you know, let's get up to them.

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But I think generally we try to reduce the amount of potential impacts.

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So a little concerned about, you know, the amount of wet land impact, the variants

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is that I needed to fit the buildings in and the encroach went down to the residential property.

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I'll be it didn't tap against the loans that property, but to me it seems to indicate that

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we're kind of pushing the site pretty hard to get what you want to get in there, but I don't

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I mean, yeah, on the easement area, first I was going to wonder why you didn't just convey the land to this parcel, but I see why you're not because you're only three acres, so if you convey the land, you need a variance on that parcel,

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whereas here you need the variance for the rear setback, it kind of does seem out of place, you know.

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On the historic and archeology concert, you did the residential for Walden.

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This was part of the subdivision.

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Did you do consultation then?

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Yeah, we did.

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We did the shovel test and all that.

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I believe it was all good.

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Okay.

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So you may have the data documentation there, but the archeology may be addressable, but certainly

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the wetlands.

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This is kind of...

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Hard to review this plan without those wetlands, you know, to know whether or not it's a more of an impact than it really needs to be.

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There also is a floodplain. Now, it doesn't impact the huge amount of the property, but it may have some impact on those stormwater ponds, you know, if the sides and the berms of the stormwater need to have like fill going down the slope,

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You may be into that floodplain limit, so you may want to look into that, it's kind of a, it just into the property a little bit.

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May impact that gravel area, you know, significant.

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And no landscape, I know this is very early on in the project, but no landscape screening to the rear,

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it sounds like if you're putting in your stormwater management there, you're going to be clearing any trees or any woods that would be there.

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It's, you know, we'd probably be looking for, if it's not natural vegetation that's going

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to remain, you know, what do your plants for potentially screening, you know, and

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it's probably not propering a site.

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I don't have access down on the ways.

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I'm the southerly property line.

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I just didn't know, when you get into your stormwater management, you're going to be clearing

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those areas, right?

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Yeah, it's potentially correct.

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Yeah.

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So depending on exactly the footprint of the stormwater, we would be

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clearing, probably up to the property line, or possibly even a buffer, we could look

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at that as we further detail the design.

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Yeah, you'd want to screen all that for those back properties, like when just leave it

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open to be looking at a parking area and equipment that's just there.

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And then in the front, that's like a sound tunnel.

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When you come down that part of the road, the sound is almost unbearable.

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It's the weirdest thing having walked that property before, and that you're proposing six trees.

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Anything that could disrupt the way the sound comes off the highway would be strongly recommended.

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Like, what's the length that you have right now of frontage? How many feet is that?

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six hundred.

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It's over six hundred. Yes, and you have six trees and the, you know, maybe

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in a hundred years, the tree might be 40 feet wide. That's minimal at best, and you'd want

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to at least double large trees, but I would have a mix like because it takes a long time for things to

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So, the sound is, and I imagine people that live around there, they can attest to the noise that comes down on that road.

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Yeah, and I think that's one of the thoughts why we would put the buildings.

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No, the building itself.

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That'll help.

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That'll help.

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That'll help.

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That'll help.

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That'll help.

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That'll help.

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Certainly with black noise.

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Going to the back.

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Landscaping doesn't do much for noise.

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Yeah, but it does do

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Intraught visual

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Intraught wind

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But back to the landscaping

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I think we would be agreeable to

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Increasing the landscaping both in the front and the rear as we further detail is

303
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Yeah, we're not opposed to that

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Yeah, I mean, you know, this is a

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It's a

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Residential district, but it's an allowed special use I think that's a

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It is in a loud use, yes, but it is a special use permit, so that comes with a little bit extra

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Considerations of the use appropriately fitting, and yeah, obviously landscaping is something

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You know, and that not just on the front, but on the side as well, you know, the driveway being so far to the west

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Doesn't really leave you much to give kind of a muscle or to the cars heading eastbound

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found. And really, the residential property that you're on, the three-acre property, I guess

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the, you know, cold enforcement can take a look at this, but really, that property

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would need especially use, because you're not giving the property there, it's just an

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easement, so technically the parking lot is part of that parcel. So I think that's awkward,

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I know it's not just a side plan approval, it is especially used for me to approve.

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So, I mean, I think this board would lean towards recommending

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his stay out of that residential property.

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You avoid variances.

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Once again, I don't know what the zoning board

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of appeals is going to, you know,

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being as best used for me that it does, as Chris just said,

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some additional considerations that I think,

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at least we would make the recommendation.

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Yeah, so if you stay out of there and don't involve that parcel

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and don't involve the question of does that parcel

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the special use permit also, it would probably give you more room to either leave some buffer,

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leave some existing vegetation there that's at the edge of those wetlands, whether they're

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isolated or not, but especially for that eastbound traffic leaving out to them. That's the

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first thing you're going to see.

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Yeah, we can certainly soften the pavement. I think our initial

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thought I just squared it off but you know I have enough room to make the turn there

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from the driveway and so yeah maybe that triangular piece of pavement goes away those

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are things that you know as we do our grading and drainage plan you know we'll look at

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all of that but yeah it's a good point and right on this west side too is actually a national

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grid like sub station that but it's up to the property is coming right down there so it's

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very industrial looking at our substation right there.

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Can I make which is one more comment?

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You know, having read that even the mayor from water relief and all the concern from many

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people that live on the street are in Altsmont is that it is the black creek and that is

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our water source, like going into our water source.

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So to risk contamination because a diesel truck is being parked on some gravel seems

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It kind of like is, that's not like a trade-off, that's a good trade-off.

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You know, maybe if you're growing vegetables there, there might be a little more willingness

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to move, but to be risking to contaminate the surface of the soil that that is that close

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to the Black Creek, every concern should be really looked at and not take that risk, personally.

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That's my opinion.

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I drink that water.

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Yeah, we certainly respect a Black Creek with the storm water controls, meeting DEC requirements.

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We're going to be reviewed by town engineer. We'll certainly comply to that. We'll make sure, you know, whatever it is that comes off of this is treated with those biore attentions like that. That's one of the better treatments of a stormwater practice because, you know, you can line those so that it doesn't, you know, as it gets treated, it's not getting any groundwater, you know, it's controlled, right?

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Yeah, we've done a lot of facilities, we've done gas stations, we've done industrial parks,

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and a lot of those stormwater designs, you know, you do have to look at it a little bit

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differently.

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It's not like a stormwater practice for residential subdivision.

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So we're aware of that, you know, and we'll be cautious of it, of course, but, you know,

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Route 146, that crosses a black creek, you got Phillips gas station, gas station, that is there, you know, probably draining towards the creek too, and, you know, what we can do here, we can certainly design this to, you know, to be as best as possible for this type of use.

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So, it just, yeah, I mean it just seems like, you know, we're not going to get too far without the wet length on the A8 and response from your phone.

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But it seems maybe a little too much for the site.

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You know, to me it seems like you're saying, well maybe you can soften the turn and get it maybe.

359
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I don't know.

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I don't know how you keep 36,000 square feet of building there, Luigi.

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I mean maybe it just seems like because if we say, well,

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Well, if we make recreation, we feel like you really shouldn't be coming in for a substantial area of variance.

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What's all it's a hundred foot set back from the property line you're proposing about what 30 feet, so it's a substantial variance.

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So we won't, like I said, a pine on the variance, but we could say, the variance allows that much more building, which then allows that requires that much more

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Payment requires that much more storage parking lot

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Increases the impacts that much more on the wetlands and the potential impacts to the black creek

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So I think the size and the amount does start to play a role in the in the special use permit

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You know, we won't say whether they should you know

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Like I said, oh, you don't get into the variance. It's true. Other than we might say, you know

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We would recommend that no variance be needed

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And if that reduces the size, it reduces the size.

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It seems like you're trying to squeeze a lot on here.

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When you come in and you utilize an existing additional parcel

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and then you need a variance.

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I mean, it's trying to squeeze a lot on there.

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And then, of course, I can set the wetlands issues.

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That's going to dictate your design, obviously, to some degree.

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It seems to me that in and of itself I might reduce the size of what you're doing.

379
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Yeah, can I just jump in here?

380
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Yeah, so we know there's other options too.

381
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Like when we laid these buildings out, these are the buildings that were used in the Rotterdam facility.

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So like the shape of the buildings is what we're trying to use here.

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Keeping it up against the road and that's how we develop this, right?

384
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We can obviously look at different building shapes, right?

385
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So, you know, these are things that, you know, the applicant and I will certainly discuss,

386
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you know, we appreciate the feedback and, you know, I know we've got a ways to go here

387
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to massage this, like I said this was our first question.

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Yeah, the question is where you're coming in at the entrance that you're filling wetlands to create

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that entrance.

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At least previously mapped it, you know, to do that parking area down that swooping into the

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you're filling wetlands there, you're filling wetlands with the parking area and the additional

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outdoor storage area. So, it's, it just seems to me that he might be hard pressed to get

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this much on this site.

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But once again, we're going to wait to see what the, you know, the delineation

395
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You know, looks like you said it has been done previously, so the work is there, I don't know, I can't remember who did it, but

396
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Engels was the engineering firm, right?

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And, you know, when we would away, chip was response.

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It does, I would assume like with the subdivision there was some work done, so maybe a lot of that work has been done,

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but we would love to see what their response is.

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I think the key with the ship over response

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for the subdivision is they look at the area of potential effect.

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So at that time, the only area proposed for disturbance

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was off of Weaver Road.

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So they may have not taken a hard look at this area

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because nothing was proposed for disturbance.

406
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Yeah, I don't want to speak for them to submit it and see what their responses, I don't know what they ate, you know, what they can see how they can go back and look at it as they go back and look.

407
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Yeah, we understand, you know, we appreciate you here and us out tonight.

408
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And, you know, what I've been wanting to ask you is about the power lines that run in front of the site.

409
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Those power lines are pretty low. Have you looked at the height of those?

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And there's, there's a national grid that has a certain amount of equipment before residential cars going in and out.

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But I talk about commercial vehicles.

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And I mean, the substations down the roads.

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So I'm assuming these are pretty high power lines and distance and clearances from your equipment from those power lines.

414
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We'd also be concerned. You should look at it.

415
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We will. Yeah, there are certain requirements,

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height-wise to in order to cross underneath, you know, if the pole's got to be raised and that's

417
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something that you work with National Grid and you raise the poles to get the wires up.

418
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Yeah. Yeah. It's something that will have to be surveyed at the end of the day.

419
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Good thing. When I had the DEC Mapper,

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it triggered as rare plants and animals in this area. Yeah, I think it came up with the long-eared

421
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That's probably going to come up with that.

422
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Is that the one they're back?

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So then you, that trigger is a clearing sort of times a year.

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But that's my guess.

425
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Yeah.

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It would be the back.

427
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Because you have the hell of a burks and you have a hypernacular within a pretty

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Barrett close range.

429
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So that'll pick up in the secret real?

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It would be.

431
00:36:56,930 --> 00:37:01,810
Ultimately, a condition of approval, if the thing moves forward, that, you know, no clearing

432
00:37:01,810 --> 00:37:05,050
pace place between the, I don't know, what's the dates now?

433
00:37:05,230 --> 00:37:06,490
I don't have a date.

434
00:37:07,310 --> 00:37:09,190
Basically, for the summer months.

435
00:37:09,230 --> 00:37:09,410
The summer months.

436
00:37:09,470 --> 00:37:09,950
Never, I can't.

437
00:37:10,990 --> 00:37:11,310
Yeah.

438
00:37:11,310 --> 00:37:12,210
Now I did a good move to up to date.

439
00:37:12,290 --> 00:37:14,910
Mar, Jay, probably anything after Mar, Jay, probably after.

440
00:37:16,190 --> 00:37:17,230
So like, no, remember.

441
00:37:17,390 --> 00:37:20,370
Well, last question, your six inch water mean for bathrooms?

442
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:22,030
Are you thinking something else?

443
00:37:23,130 --> 00:37:24,790
No, just for bathrooms.

444
00:37:26,130 --> 00:37:29,970
You know, we may have to get like, there may be a talk of extending the water.

445
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:39,920
We're proposing six cents right now. That could change depending on the final layout.

446
00:37:40,260 --> 00:37:48,340
All of the months also reached out to us on a post we tap into this water line for the pump house, met with the mayor of all of the months.

447
00:37:49,420 --> 00:37:56,620
They would come in over Weaver as well, or they would bore in a black creek, but something that they're very interested in doing, they met a few times on site.

448
00:37:58,190 --> 00:38:00,810
So then it would be larger than six inches.

449
00:38:01,030 --> 00:38:05,430
It will, for us it wouldn't, for them it would be, but for us, that was just, you know,

450
00:38:05,450 --> 00:38:08,310
if you're coming across you might as well have more than less.

451
00:38:14,170 --> 00:38:14,410
Yeah.

452
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:17,190
So you would need fire hydrants, right?

453
00:38:17,230 --> 00:38:18,010
At least one, right?

454
00:38:18,070 --> 00:38:18,430
Though we do.

455
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:18,990
Yeah.

456
00:38:18,990 --> 00:38:20,510
I don't see one on the plans.

457
00:38:21,070 --> 00:38:21,410
But that's the right.

458
00:38:21,490 --> 00:38:23,790
That's something we'll have to work out with the player department.

459
00:38:23,870 --> 00:38:30,490
We have plenty of access around for vehicular and emergency maneuverability.

460
00:38:31,330 --> 00:38:36,370
And then, you know, the other thought too, you know, from other, the other facilities that

461
00:38:36,370 --> 00:38:41,730
we've designed, you know, these, these, these, buildings, you know, they're not proposed

462
00:38:41,730 --> 00:38:46,870
with loading docs, so like, I don't want people to think like, this is a main, like, heavy

463
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:50,930
truck, generated tractor trailer in and out of here.

464
00:38:51,550 --> 00:38:56,110
They're occasionally may have a tractor trailer that comes in, and they typically just

465
00:38:56,110 --> 00:39:01,190
load to one of the tenants, and then they go right out. So I just wanted to get that clear

466
00:39:01,190 --> 00:39:06,430
that that's what, you know, the applicant from the other facilities that he currently has

467
00:39:07,730 --> 00:39:12,070
sees right now with his tenants. Like Luigi was saying earlier, like really,

468
00:39:12,570 --> 00:39:16,530
the guys that take these units are, it's a glorified storage unit, like you're getting the

469
00:39:16,530 --> 00:39:21,250
electricians, the plumbers that, you know, want a nice space with a bathroom and, you know,

470
00:39:21,250 --> 00:39:24,990
they're coming down the hill and that's where the little headquarters is, they stop in the morning,

471
00:39:24,990 --> 00:39:27,490
and they go to work, they come back, they stop, and they go home.

472
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:28,490
That's what we've noticed.

473
00:39:29,150 --> 00:39:30,950
It's not a trucking facility.

474
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:36,630
And the one, this is similar to what you have in Rotterdam.

475
00:39:36,770 --> 00:39:37,850
We have a few buildings.

476
00:39:38,350 --> 00:39:39,450
Yeah, quite a few of them in Rotterdam.

477
00:39:39,950 --> 00:39:42,870
Now, that's really our audience, it seems to be.

478
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:44,750
Is that the one across from, what is it?

479
00:39:44,850 --> 00:39:46,990
The Hertz, is that built?

480
00:39:47,610 --> 00:39:51,290
The one that I remember seeing that.

481
00:39:51,290 --> 00:39:53,510
Third-extrient, first-extrient, first-extrient, first-extrient,

482
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:55,610
Is that the joke? Is that constructed?

483
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:58,450
It's completely built, yep.

484
00:39:58,590 --> 00:40:00,110
In occupied? Is that?

485
00:40:01,550 --> 00:40:01,870
So occupied?

486
00:40:02,770 --> 00:40:06,690
And there's actually two of those exact buildings on there.

487
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,720
Yeah, and the photos that we submitted,

488
00:40:11,980 --> 00:40:17,140
the one photos of the, like, looking at the overhead doorside,

489
00:40:17,860 --> 00:40:20,160
that's actually from the Rotterdam facility.

490
00:40:21,700 --> 00:40:26,020
We didn't get a good photo shot of the side facing the road.

491
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:31,020
Yeah, that's just a rendering so like this is the actual build that's actually not

492
00:40:31,020 --> 00:40:35,600
Rodium that's that is Rodium, but that's not the bird extreme that's that's another one in

493
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:41,060
Consolacy we got like no numerous of these buildings now, but that is this also the exact same building

494
00:40:41,060 --> 00:40:42,080
It's the same building

495
00:40:42,660 --> 00:40:47,800
That's the rear of the building. No, that's the front of us. That's well, that depends what you call

496
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:49,940
It's opposite of the road

497
00:40:49,940 --> 00:40:55,260
Yeah, that's inside on the black top right and then if you go to the next there's a small

498
00:40:55,260 --> 00:41:00,880
come from there. That's a rendering, and you can see same building colors, but then you've

499
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:06,700
got the windows that are up high and the vertical features that break up that long fall.

500
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:09,620
Yeah,

501
00:41:09,620 --> 00:41:14,700
I'm not sure why I came in as a smaller doctor. I don't like that.

502
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:35,520
I don't know if I can do that or not. Not the best picture, but yeah. And we can provide

503
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:40,860
actual photos, grass looks nice, nice grass.

504
00:41:42,260 --> 00:41:43,220
All right.

505
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:44,200
So.

506
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:44,460
Yes.

507
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:45,460
Well, as you so.

508
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:46,180
You can.

509
00:41:46,540 --> 00:41:47,920
Memo will be tabling this.

510
00:41:48,300 --> 00:41:49,820
This is not a public hearing.

511
00:41:50,420 --> 00:41:55,640
If someone has some brief comments, you know, they want to mention, you know, we'll

512
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,360
certainly take some brief comments.

513
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,620
As Ken said, the zoning board of appeals will be holding a public hearing.

514
00:42:01,180 --> 00:42:02,760
Maybe multiple public hearings.

515
00:42:03,620 --> 00:42:09,820
Sounds like these guys will be back in front of us a couple times before we make any kind

516
00:42:09,820 --> 00:42:17,900
of recommendation, but if you have a comment, the question, something will take some

517
00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:20,660
comment or question, something more.

518
00:42:21,180 --> 00:42:21,580
What's the other day?

519
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:22,000
Well, okay.

520
00:42:22,340 --> 00:42:26,640
You approached the mic, so we picked up the minutes.

521
00:42:26,860 --> 00:42:27,480
Thank you.

522
00:42:27,660 --> 00:42:27,840
Yep.

523
00:42:32,830 --> 00:42:38,210
I just want to know the elevation from ground to peak of roof of the buildings.

524
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:42,080
I am by around 2060.

525
00:42:51,700 --> 00:42:53,600
Any other comments?

526
00:43:06,250 --> 00:43:10,190
Hi, my name is Bill Miller, 46 year resident on Weaver Road.

527
00:43:11,490 --> 00:43:16,790
First thing I want to do is agree with Laura on the water pollution problem.

528
00:43:17,550 --> 00:43:22,310
I don't know the exact stats, but you put one core to motor oil in the ground.

529
00:43:22,310 --> 00:43:28,270
I believe it pollutes more than a couple of thousand gallons of groundwater, and for the board

530
00:43:28,270 --> 00:43:33,550
to ever approve this kind of thing without knowing who's back there, what's getting

531
00:43:33,550 --> 00:43:40,890
spilled in that ground would be a big misfortune to everybody in the town, and no matter

532
00:43:40,890 --> 00:43:46,610
how small the risk is, I don't think you could ever take it, and that's my main thing.

533
00:43:46,610 --> 00:43:54,050
The next thing I want to say is, you know, I noticed on the right up for this, it said that

534
00:43:54,050 --> 00:43:56,010
there wouldn't be an impact on other properties.

535
00:43:57,550 --> 00:44:02,250
Now, there's a residential house right on 146 across from this proposed development.

536
00:44:02,690 --> 00:44:05,190
That's certainly a big impact on that guy's property.

537
00:44:06,030 --> 00:44:11,110
Along with all the other houses on Weaver Road that are very close to this thing, there's

538
00:44:11,110 --> 00:44:17,490
One of the lost housing value, I don't even care if it's a thousand dollars, it's not fair

539
00:44:17,490 --> 00:44:22,810
that we're doing this applicant, a favor that he can put this in our neighborhood.

540
00:44:23,550 --> 00:44:25,730
It should no way be in this area.

541
00:44:26,370 --> 00:44:34,130
I know they call it a contractor yard, I call it an industrial park, it's gigantic, the storage

542
00:44:34,130 --> 00:44:35,470
for the vehicles.

543
00:44:35,470 --> 00:44:39,990
I counted around 120 on that map. It's totally ridiculous.

544
00:44:41,050 --> 00:44:43,510
Maybe 20 if you were going to approve it, 25.

545
00:44:44,170 --> 00:44:48,930
But why would he get 125 spaces to gigantic building?

546
00:44:49,390 --> 00:44:54,350
The buildings between the space in between them are around 720 feet.

547
00:44:54,490 --> 00:44:56,030
Just to make that clear if you look at the plan.

548
00:44:56,250 --> 00:44:59,870
It's obvious there's 20, 220 foot spaces and there are 230.

549
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,980
So, it's like 700 and whatever fee. And when I first saw the plan, I couldn't even believe it. I was like, is this for real? Did somebody even ask to do this project? But, you know, then I was told anybody can ask for anything. And, you know, I'm not a good public speaker as you can probably tell, but I got it through all my two cents in here. And if this ever gets approved, I think it's utterly ridiculous. The Apple can's got plenty of places like this already. Why would the town, a killer, let him put another

550
00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:32,220
on an orary area, I think I said enough.

551
00:45:40,530 --> 00:45:40,950
Good evening.

552
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:42,510
My name is Jeff Perley.

553
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:44,610
I live at 1189 Burnout Mount Road.

554
00:45:44,990 --> 00:45:47,530
I also represent this area in the Albany County

555
00:45:47,530 --> 00:45:48,090
legislature.

556
00:45:49,410 --> 00:45:52,950
In terms of the Mr. Miller brought up the impact

557
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:55,310
on neighboring properties, certainly.

558
00:45:56,070 --> 00:45:57,710
And he was a lot more articulate

559
00:45:57,710 --> 00:46:00,370
than you gave yourself credit for on the impact

560
00:46:00,370 --> 00:46:01,490
of the surrounding properties.

561
00:46:01,630 --> 00:46:05,030
But I would argue that if this development

562
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:06,910
is allowed to go forward, it would impact

563
00:46:06,910 --> 00:46:09,750
every property from the Goldiland Center to Altima.

564
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:15,870
And that's because if you drive out tonight and you look at the south side of Route 146,

565
00:46:17,070 --> 00:46:21,950
starting at the Getty Station in Goldiland Center all the way to the dentist's office in Altima,

566
00:46:22,250 --> 00:46:28,250
there is exactly one non-residential use in that entire stretch. It's almost three miles.

567
00:46:28,830 --> 00:46:35,230
Three miles, there is one non-residential use, and that's the Apple Inn, which is in an old historic

568
00:46:35,230 --> 00:46:38,730
in where the town was originated, right?

569
00:46:39,170 --> 00:46:42,850
So that area is very, very unique, right?

570
00:46:42,930 --> 00:46:46,370
The south side of 146 is entirely residential

571
00:46:46,370 --> 00:46:48,290
and entirely open space.

572
00:46:49,310 --> 00:46:51,290
The idea of having a contractors yard.

573
00:46:51,850 --> 00:46:53,610
Now at first, it struck me as odd

574
00:46:53,610 --> 00:46:55,890
that a contractors yard would be, and especially use,

575
00:46:55,890 --> 00:46:57,810
it's not an allowable use, it's a special use,

576
00:46:57,870 --> 00:47:00,150
so the criteria for special use has to be met,

577
00:47:00,510 --> 00:47:03,250
which is a, you know, not permitted use.

578
00:47:03,250 --> 00:47:06,870
It's a, you know, it is possible, that's right.

579
00:47:07,090 --> 00:47:09,670
That's how we are, you know, we can sit here and say,

580
00:47:09,870 --> 00:47:11,870
oh, we don't like this use, we're going to deny it.

581
00:47:11,950 --> 00:47:13,390
We recommend denial this use.

582
00:47:14,090 --> 00:47:16,550
We're going to apply it on the site, plan itself, you know,

583
00:47:16,730 --> 00:47:20,130
the size of the structure, the size of the parking area,

584
00:47:20,410 --> 00:47:21,590
so on and so forth.

585
00:47:22,330 --> 00:47:25,290
But it is, it's a permitted use in the zone, you know,

586
00:47:25,330 --> 00:47:27,450
so we're not, you know, we couldn't just say,

587
00:47:27,790 --> 00:47:29,830
well, we don't like it, you know.

588
00:47:29,830 --> 00:47:36,050
permitted if the criteria for the issuing of a special use permit is met, which is, you know,

589
00:47:36,810 --> 00:47:41,950
not that higher hurdle. Not that high, but one of it is that it's consistent with the master plan, right?

590
00:47:41,970 --> 00:47:48,830
And the master plan is spent a lot about protecting and buffering the unique hamlet aspects of

591
00:47:48,830 --> 00:47:51,170
of goodle and center and ultimate, right?

592
00:47:51,390 --> 00:47:53,790
And one of the things that provides that protection

593
00:47:53,790 --> 00:47:57,330
is the fact that the entire cell side of root 146

594
00:47:57,330 --> 00:47:58,850
from the Gedi and goodle and center,

595
00:47:59,010 --> 00:48:00,650
all the way to the dentist office and ultimate,

596
00:48:00,930 --> 00:48:03,550
is entirely residential and entirely open space.

597
00:48:04,010 --> 00:48:06,030
This would fundamentally change that.

598
00:48:06,050 --> 00:48:08,490
But the zoning controls, you know, I understand,

599
00:48:08,670 --> 00:48:11,710
and that's what struck me as odd that a contractor's yard

600
00:48:11,710 --> 00:48:14,970
would be even a special use within the RA3.

601
00:48:15,250 --> 00:48:16,250
When I first saw that, I'm like,

602
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:22,150
We've brought it up that it seemed more like storage, maybe warehousing, we don't make that

603
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:22,310
enter.

604
00:48:22,350 --> 00:48:25,850
No, I'm glad the board does not make that interpretation.

605
00:48:26,830 --> 00:48:30,110
Once that interpretation is made, our hands are tied.

606
00:48:30,510 --> 00:48:34,750
We can't say we don't like the use, but I think we have to work with the use and make our

607
00:48:34,750 --> 00:48:39,570
recommendation moving forward to mitigate any potential impact.

608
00:48:39,630 --> 00:48:45,250
And that's why, so it's a permitted use within the RA-3 district, but the RA-3 district

609
00:48:45,250 --> 00:48:52,590
is huge. So there's a lot of places where this type of use might be appropriate. I live up

610
00:48:52,590 --> 00:48:58,630
on the hill. But the Pollard family has a contractor yard off of Lisa-M Lane. It is buffered.

611
00:48:58,850 --> 00:49:04,970
It sits on, you don't even see it from Lisa-M Lane. It's not on Route 156. It's not on the main

612
00:49:04,970 --> 00:49:10,250
highway that everyone passes every single day. Mr. Wagner, who lives in that neighborhood,

613
00:49:10,750 --> 00:49:13,650
I think you might have a contractor yard. I don't know, he has a lot of heavier equipment.

614
00:49:13,650 --> 00:49:15,630
But I never see it, right?

615
00:49:16,010 --> 00:49:21,410
What he did is he actually graded and made his frontage along 146 beautiful, right?

616
00:49:21,630 --> 00:49:25,990
So I understand it, well, the first struck me is that a contractor yard would be a lot

617
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:27,090
within the RA3.

618
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:34,210
Obviously, the intent must have been where it is appropriate on some back roads, some side road,

619
00:49:34,430 --> 00:49:39,890
some thoroughfare that is not traveled, and is not the main entrance to our two most

620
00:49:39,890 --> 00:49:40,690
historic helmets.

621
00:49:40,690 --> 00:49:48,870
So I would say yes, I get it that it's a that it's a permitted use, but it doesn't necessarily have to be permitted in every parcel in the RA3

622
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:53,730
We'd we would have a hard time saying no because of you know the location

623
00:49:53,730 --> 00:50:00,360
Understood, that's a zoning request. Well even I think even then they would have a hard time they could I've said we couldn't

624
00:50:01,450 --> 00:50:04,370
Look at the design look at the buff ring look at the screening

625
00:50:05,790 --> 00:50:08,190
But it's a loud, it's permitted.

626
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:10,290
Now, it's permitted provided that there's not

627
00:50:10,290 --> 00:50:12,470
a negative impact on the surrounding properties,

628
00:50:12,590 --> 00:50:14,890
and provided it's consistent with the master plan.

629
00:50:15,290 --> 00:50:17,930
And I would argue that this type of use is key consistent.

630
00:50:18,590 --> 00:50:20,970
In case a lot of a thousand times, we just went through

631
00:50:20,970 --> 00:50:23,830
when people argued, you know, Costco wasn't appropriate.

632
00:50:24,550 --> 00:50:28,690
You know, it was a permitted choice, you know,

633
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:31,870
in the zoning, and it's a loud, and, you know,

634
00:50:31,870 --> 00:50:37,670
If the zoning allows it, it's, you know, the zoning allows it if it's consistent with the master plan.

635
00:50:37,690 --> 00:50:41,230
But even if that, we really aren't the ones understood.

636
00:50:41,290 --> 00:50:43,310
Our board, it's really the ZBA.

637
00:50:43,410 --> 00:50:43,830
Understood.

638
00:50:43,830 --> 00:50:47,270
Who will review the criteria for meeting that special?

639
00:50:47,410 --> 00:50:55,490
So I understand you feel that the hurdle might actually be higher and that certain aesthetics should be met.

640
00:50:56,130 --> 00:50:58,730
So, but it would be the ZBA to go through those criteria.

641
00:50:58,730 --> 00:51:05,810
So, and I get where you're coming from as far as contractors yard, it was probably there

642
00:51:05,810 --> 00:51:11,250
from history because somebody had a business and put their backos and dump trucks in their

643
00:51:11,250 --> 00:51:15,090
backyard and contractors yard was kind of an accessory, it's a layering thing.

644
00:51:15,590 --> 00:51:20,770
This is different, possibly, but it's an argument really for the ZBA as far as those

645
00:51:20,770 --> 00:51:23,770
doesn't meet the merits and the definition.

646
00:51:24,670 --> 00:51:28,190
And I appreciate the differential between the zoning board and the planning board.

647
00:51:28,850 --> 00:51:34,290
And this is my last comment I would, in terms of a planning perspective, in terms of the master plan,

648
00:51:34,670 --> 00:51:42,390
I would urge you to please protect and acknowledge that specialness of the south side of U146.

649
00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:48,750
And you don't even think about it until you actually, actually today I wrote by it, I'm like, wow,

650
00:51:48,750 --> 00:51:57,450
there is from on the south side the only commercial use is the apple in right so that that is

651
00:51:57,450 --> 00:52:03,370
something that is very very unique very very special and something worthy of protection and

652
00:52:03,370 --> 00:52:08,710
and kind of a common on what you said because I thought it was really important that the the

653
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:14,800
screening I was talking a little bit about like six trees just doesn't cut it and what you're

654
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:22,740
Learning out is how important it would be if it is something that is owning a cruise that

655
00:52:22,740 --> 00:52:24,180
it could be better screened.

656
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:28,960
There is plenty of space that all depends on how big the buildings are that you could make

657
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:29,540
it disappear.

658
00:52:30,270 --> 00:52:58,270
You could. Yes. And you know, the principal, the master plan goes to great length, right? The, the specialness of the hamlet of gildal incentive, the specialness of the, of the village of altumont, right? Is a function of what surrounds it, right? It's not just what's in altumont or just what's in gildal incentive. It's how you approach both of those places, right? And you upload approach both of those densely designed places after coming through,

659
00:53:00,470 --> 00:53:03,810
area of extensive open space, right?

660
00:53:04,370 --> 00:53:07,430
This will change that and not for the better.

661
00:53:08,230 --> 00:53:08,950
Thank you.

662
00:53:14,930 --> 00:53:17,050
So, can you need a motion today?

663
00:53:17,390 --> 00:53:18,590
Just one more thing though.

664
00:53:18,590 --> 00:53:19,770
Just going back to the aesthetics.

665
00:53:20,170 --> 00:53:21,930
And I know you built these buildings before,

666
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:25,990
and they're just black and kind of industrial looking.

667
00:53:26,170 --> 00:53:29,230
I think you need to go back and look at the architectural design of these.

668
00:53:29,550 --> 00:53:33,090
And look at saying, hey, can we make these more agricultural looking?

669
00:53:33,090 --> 00:53:42,130
Maybe more barn horse barn looking and some kind of facetism said pick up elements of a barn structure and not just these

670
00:53:42,890 --> 00:53:45,410
Metal brought these black dark buildings

671
00:53:46,890 --> 00:53:49,890
So I'd like to see that next time you come back in

672
00:53:49,890 --> 00:53:55,290
Especially since it's the rear of the building, you know and you don't have the front entrance

673
00:53:55,290 --> 00:54:03,010
So you know that makes a difference. Yeah, and I said there's windows here, but I think you make a look more agricultural and that fits in

674
00:54:03,090 --> 00:54:05,150
You might get a better response.

675
00:54:08,900 --> 00:54:09,820
My name is Dave Burke.

676
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,140
I've been a resident of Gildelund for over 60 years.

677
00:54:13,620 --> 00:54:16,020
A resident of Altamon for over 30 years.

678
00:54:16,620 --> 00:54:19,260
But I'm also the president of the Stork Altamon.

679
00:54:19,420 --> 00:54:21,820
And I'm here tonight to speak on their behalf.

680
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,220
Stork Altamon was established in 2018

681
00:54:25,220 --> 00:54:29,980
to promote and preserve the historical, cultural, and scenic beauty

682
00:54:29,980 --> 00:54:32,260
of the Altamon and Helldeburg area.

683
00:54:32,260 --> 00:54:39,760
The historic ultimate and the Mohawk Hudson Land Conservancy are working together to establish a greenway

684
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,260
of protected land around Altamont.

685
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:48,420
The viewshed of the Heldibergis Cartman, which provides this vital backdrop to Altamont,

686
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,980
is a critical element of this greenway.

687
00:54:51,940 --> 00:54:58,500
The proposed contractor yard is within the greenway area that historic Altamont hopes to see protected.

688
00:54:58,500 --> 00:55:09,160
As one approaches Altamond and the Health of the Burgers Department, on Route 146, the existing view is a bucolic, green space and rolling terrain.

689
00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:14,400
These views welcome you to a very, very unique part of Gildelund.

690
00:55:15,380 --> 00:55:21,380
These special views first occur at the proposed contractor yard location.

691
00:55:21,380 --> 00:55:28,660
The new town of Gildelund Comprehensive Plan strongly states the importance of the

692
00:55:28,660 --> 00:55:35,040
Heldibern Viewshed and sites it as a factor to consider in potential development of lands

693
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:36,500
in southwest Gildelund.

694
00:55:37,420 --> 00:55:43,840
In fact, historic Alchemond was asked by the town of Gildelund again to provide a letter

695
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:49,560
of support for the town's efforts to develop a conservation overlay zoning district, to

696
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:53,920
identified crucial view-sheds of the held-over discartment.

697
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,140
This is an effort that historic ultimate strongly supports,

698
00:55:57,240 --> 00:56:00,320
and we gladly provided that letter of endorsement.

699
00:56:01,260 --> 00:56:04,920
This contractor Yark proposal would be within that conservation

700
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:06,160
overlay district.

701
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,660
The Albany County legislature also

702
00:56:10,660 --> 00:56:13,900
recognizes the significance of the held-over view-shed.

703
00:56:13,900 --> 00:56:21,900
Their resolution, number 384, in 2020, requested Albany County Planning Board pay particular

704
00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:26,620
attention to viewsheds and important views that pertain to the Heldibergis government

705
00:56:26,620 --> 00:56:30,720
and to consider the adverse impacts upon these views.

706
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:36,700
So the public opinion is clear, and both the town and county agree, the Heldiberg

707
00:56:36,700 --> 00:56:43,000
U.S. are of great economic, historic, and cultural importance, and they need to be protected.

708
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:52,080
I will add that this area is so unique that that's your park has been designated as a

709
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:58,360
national natural landmark by the U.S. National Park Service, acknowledging that Southwest

710
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:04,980
Gildelund is a special place and very deserving of protection. It is also important to note

711
00:57:04,980 --> 00:57:13,480
The proposed contractor yard site has also been identified by local historians as the burial place of American Revolution era of soldiers.

712
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:19,760
Guildalins historical contributions to the Revolution should be promoted, not paved over.

713
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:28,600
This proposed contractor yard would forever alter and diminish an important piece of the Hilbert Viewshed with large steel buildings, heavy equipment,

714
00:57:29,300 --> 00:57:34,000
and site conditions that are not compatible with the existing locations, scenic beauty.

715
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:40,480
The planning board is clear that the proposal before you is not compatible with the town

716
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:44,220
of Guildoo or Albany County's planting, planting goals.

717
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:49,600
Historic ultimate strongly urges the Guildoo and Planning Board to consider the surrounding

718
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,800
rural landscape and the historical grave sites when making your decision.

719
00:57:54,740 --> 00:58:00,460
Please help us protect this last remaining rural area of Guildoo and I thank you.

720
00:58:12,300 --> 00:58:21,300
Hi. My name is Colin Uniman. I previously submitted a letter to the public comment, which is up there, but I just wanted to point out a couple of concerns that I have.

721
00:58:21,620 --> 00:58:31,240
I know we touched on the environmental stuff and everybody's concerned about, you know, the appearance from 146, but my home is essentially at the end of this water.

722
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:38,380
We said, right here, north facing, we live up 4-3-3-O-Ever row, and I also want 4-3-4-3-4-Ever

723
00:58:38,380 --> 00:58:41,060
row, which we rent out to our tenant.

724
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,200
Essentially, this is my front yard.

725
00:58:44,620 --> 00:58:47,700
This is what I will be waking up and looking out to every single day.

726
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,480
We kind of set up on a hill that looks down on this piece of property.

727
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:59,480
And originally, when Mr. Fukuzi came in, he wanted to subdivide the division and put

728
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:04,340
homes in there. We were all kind of like, oh, you know, really. But the more I thought about it,

729
00:59:04,420 --> 00:59:09,880
I thought that was a great idea. He had sold off the one lot down this way to the carotties,

730
00:59:09,980 --> 00:59:14,280
and they built a beautiful home on that lot. And I said, you know what, if they're going to put

731
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:18,720
more homes like that, that's, that's great. We love our neighborhood. We love the people. We love

732
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:27,180
kids. We like new neighbors and people coming in. This, in my opinion, is an eye sore. I'm not sure

733
00:59:27,180 --> 00:59:37,140
for a familiar with like the 146 158 weaver road intersection, but traffic right there on a normal

734
00:59:37,140 --> 00:59:43,200
given day is a nightmare. People coming in to get on the center to drop their kids to school,

735
00:59:43,220 --> 00:59:50,960
school buses, the gas station, people coming off of 148 or 158. A lot of times we noticed that weaver

736
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:57,040
road is used as a cut-through. They come off of 146. They cut down weaver road. They bypass the

737
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,400
58 in our section and they keep going.

738
00:59:59,580 --> 00:59:59,980
Expression.

739
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:09,900
Currently during the school year, peak times 7 and 9, 3 and 5. It's insane, the traffic that happens there.

740
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:22,640
My concern is that if you're going to add a contractor yard here with contractors that are coming and going at those same periods of time, the increase in traffic is just going to be insane.

741
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:27,520
and it's going to increase the people that are cutting through, we've erode to avoid that intersection.

742
01:00:28,300 --> 01:00:34,080
And in all reality, it's dangerous. Cars come flying down our road. At that point,

743
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:40,420
we have children, we have animals, we walk. There are no sidewalks. It is just a strip of road.

744
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:47,560
There are no lines on our road. Normally, the people that usually travel are residents, but during

745
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:51,680
the school year and during, like I said, the peak travel times, it's used as a cut-through.

746
01:00:51,680 --> 01:01:01,800
And if we're going to add, I don't know how many bays or how many contractors or how many people he intends to rent this out to, but it's going to increase the traffic significantly.

747
01:01:02,900 --> 01:01:19,420
I'm also concerned with the lighting. Like I said, our house sits up on a hill. I look out my front window. This is what I'm going to see where there will be lights on 24 hours a day, because that's going to impact, you know, my property and what I look at every single day.

748
01:01:19,420 --> 01:01:21,460
I'm also concerned with the sound.

749
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:23,660
You know, you're going to be renting two

750
01:01:23,660 --> 01:01:25,380
Carpenters, electricians

751
01:01:25,380 --> 01:01:29,100
Who's to say that a Carpenter isn't going to be working in their late one night?

752
01:01:29,180 --> 01:01:31,500
You know, we come from a blue collar family. My husband's a landscaper.

753
01:01:32,220 --> 01:01:33,680
Sometimes he works late at night.

754
01:01:34,300 --> 01:01:37,860
So, you know, who's to say that a Comforter is not going to come back from a job at

755
01:01:37,860 --> 01:01:41,580
5, 6, 7 o'clock at night and want to do some work in his shop.

756
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,420
So, now I'm going to listen to saws all night long

757
01:01:44,900 --> 01:01:47,640
Or, you know, vehicles moving around

758
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:55,540
I also would like to know if there's going to be any, like, regulations as to who is renting

759
01:01:55,540 --> 01:01:56,340
these places.

760
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:01,120
Like, you know, we're talking about parking a truck in the parking lot, but, you know, contractors

761
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:02,480
have tractors.

762
01:02:02,660 --> 01:02:03,600
They have excavators.

763
01:02:03,700 --> 01:02:04,780
They have backels.

764
01:02:04,820 --> 01:02:09,880
They have all kinds of equipment that they're going to be parking in these parking lots that

765
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,640
are just going to be leaking fluids.

766
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:17,140
They're going to be making noise every time you fire up one of those pieces of equipment.

767
01:02:17,140 --> 01:02:26,380
You know, like, it just, it doesn't make sense to me that anybody would think that this was a good place for something like this.

768
01:02:27,180 --> 01:02:30,400
I understand the contract you are. I understand it. It's a great concept.

769
01:02:30,580 --> 01:02:38,360
I think that it's necessary for blue collar workers, but I just don't think that this is an appropriate location for something like that.

770
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:47,120
So unless there's going to be some sort of like regulations put in place as to who gets to rent here and what they get to do

771
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:52,520
and the hours they get to operate I just don't I don't see it as a good idea and I just wanted

772
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:56,620
to put that on record and like I said I already submitted a letter but I just wanted to speak

773
01:02:56,620 --> 01:03:01,460
my piece and I think I speak for all of my neighbors on Weaver Road. Every single person that

774
01:03:01,460 --> 01:03:09,340
resides in that area nobody supports this. Nobody wants this at all. I'd also like to mention

775
01:03:09,340 --> 01:03:15,080
that that beautiful house that built was just sold within the past I think maybe two or three months

776
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:23,780
And I don't think that that person that's to paid $1.25 million dollars for that home has any idea that this is going to be in their backyard.

777
01:03:24,820 --> 01:03:30,320
And that to me is a very, very big interest for that person. Thank you.

778
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:31,200
All right.

779
01:03:36,140 --> 01:03:38,220
So we'll table this can.

780
01:03:41,100 --> 01:03:41,360
Okay.

781
01:03:42,580 --> 01:03:47,720
You have some other, because I don't want, we seem to be arguing the use and it's something...

782
01:03:51,140 --> 01:04:03,120
I'll be brief. I support all the concerns that have just been expressed between what are quality.

783
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:10,520
These folks live in a neighborhood which are comprehensive plain as less than a year old.

784
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,320
Their neighborhood deserves to be protected as well.

785
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:24,420
So, I'm going to give Ken seven pages here of petition with signatures and the last page

786
01:04:24,420 --> 01:04:25,800
seven is actually blank.

787
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:31,200
So, we're going to share this as well with you.

788
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:38,120
We'll send a copy also to the ZBA because they're going to be making the final decision

789
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:41,360
here and also to the Albany County Planning Board.

790
01:04:41,780 --> 01:04:50,020
So, soon, the blank page in the back will no longer be blank, so we're going to continue getting more signatures.

791
01:05:02,260 --> 01:05:04,540
Just table, you don't need a motion to table, right?

792
01:05:04,620 --> 01:05:04,980
No.

793
01:05:04,980 --> 01:05:06,500
No motion to table.

794
01:05:07,780 --> 01:05:10,180
So, will you do you get an idea of what we're looking for?

795
01:05:10,380 --> 01:05:12,680
Yes, thank you.

796
01:05:12,820 --> 01:05:16,880
So, we're going to need all that information for you to come back in.

797
01:05:19,700 --> 01:05:22,620
Like I said, I think our, you know, our comments were,

798
01:05:22,620 --> 01:05:32,640
The site plan, the need for variants is the approaching on the joining residential property,

799
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:38,480
the size of the outdoor storage, all those things are concerns of ours regarding this

800
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:39,920
site plan itself.

801
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:42,200
Okay.

802
01:05:43,300 --> 01:05:44,540
Thank you.

803
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:47,500
What is it?

804
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:49,440
So it's still need a motion.

805
01:05:49,940 --> 01:05:50,720
So we'll table it.

806
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:51,460
Correct.

807
01:05:52,020 --> 01:05:53,400
Next meeting is what?

808
01:05:53,420 --> 01:05:54,380
Two weeks.

809
01:05:54,380 --> 01:05:56,660
There was October night, I think.

810
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:57,300
Is that there?

811
01:05:57,420 --> 01:05:57,780
No.

812
01:05:57,960 --> 01:05:58,780
No, no, no.

813
01:05:59,100 --> 01:05:59,840
I'm sorry.

814
01:05:59,940 --> 01:06:00,340
You got one.

815
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:02,200
September 23rd.

816
01:06:02,460 --> 01:06:03,660
September 23rd.

817
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:04,640
Yeah.

818
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:06,220
You're way off.

819
01:06:07,100 --> 01:06:16,900
Yeah, it's what it's not summer hours, all right, it's not summer hours. So September 23rd. Yeah, all right. Can I get a motion to adjourn? Motion?

820
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,220
Second. I'll second. All right. I'll favor I.

821
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,260
Thank you so much. All right. Yeah.