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Good afternoon. Well, good evening. Uh
this is the Guilford Board of Education.

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Um tonight we have a special meeting um
and are welcoming our colleagues on the

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board of selection um on the board of
finance and on the standing building

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committee to be with us tonight. Uh so
welcome. Thank you for joining us. We

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are going to hear tonight a presentation
um uh by the Friars group. I'm going to

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turn it over to Dr. Freeman to um
appropriately and adequately introduce

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them. Um this is a group that has done a
facilities study for the board of

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education. This is something that we do
uh regularly. Um this is a 10-year

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study. The board of education has had
the privilege of hearing um uh this

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study or or getting initial presentation
of this study um from the the gentleman

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to my left. Uh and we are now uh wanted
to not only give the public a chance to

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see this presentation but certainly have
our colleagues again on the board of

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selectmen, board of finance and standing
building committee receive this as well.

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This is going to be an opportunity for
um these four groups of folks um to ask

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questions
um uh to learn about what this facility

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study is telling us.
This is the kind of report that's um

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going to be used pretty heavily um as we
move forward by uh Guilford Public

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Schools and by the town in considering
uh various projects that need to get

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done um and and kind of making priority
decisions around those things. So I am

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going to turn it over to Dr. Freeman um
who's going to introduce uh the

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presentation tonight.
>> Thank you Dr. Bis Tracy. you pretty much

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said it all. The only thing that I would
note is that um the presentation and the

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figures that you're going to hear
tonight are based on architectural

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engineering and facilities um
considerations. The numbers that we

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share with you tonight while they while
they will become a foundation of a road

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map and a planning tool for us moving
forward do not take into consideration

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other financial or political
implications considerations. So it will

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become the baseline of a road map that
we will use to inform our decision and

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our planning and our preventative
maintenance over the next 10 years. Um,

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and with that, I am pleased to uh
introduce tonight um Mike Serrano and

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Bryce Sens and Jamie Young from Frier
and Associates who are going to give us

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first an overview of the um of the study
and then we'll open it up to

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conversation, question and answer for
members of the building committee and

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the three boards who are with us this
evening. I'll turn it directly over to

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you. Thank you again for being here.
>> Our pleasure. Uh evening everybody. So,

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uh, what we're going to present tonight,
um, is a a a piece of the study. The

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study itself, the facility study itself
is,400 pages. Um, we we've looked at um,

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at every school in the district. Um we
looked at it um for what is uh what is

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lacking, what is broken, what it needs
to be uh on a deferred maintenance

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schedule um in order again as Doc said
to um inform decisions moving up over

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the next 10 years um for our facility
study. Um so we're going to show you an

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overall big picture of of the two the
the seven and the 10-year uh look at um

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capital improvement expenditures
um as a planning tool. Um, and we've

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broken it down into just each individual
school and the big picture of of what's

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going on in each school. And if you want
to go through the 1400 pages, that is

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the backup to this. Um, I welcome you to
do that. All the information is there.

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Um, and so I'm going to hand it over to
Bryce and Jamie to uh dive into the uh

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study.
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available to all of you first thing
tomorrow morning.

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» Okay. So to start off, we're going to go
through each of the seven schools. We

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visited the four elementary schools, two
middle schools, and this high school

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that we're in right now. So I'll start
with Cox. Well, first a summary of the

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overall CIP. So these were our findings
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for each of the schools. Um, but we put
together these extensive spreadsheets to

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show you the costs that we recommend for
each year over the next 10 years. And we

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tallied that for over the 10 years,
which also includes escalation. Um, and

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the total price here came to a little
over $92 million. Um, and when you look

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at the reports, you'll be able to see at
the end of the document these extensive

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spreadsheets that detail out the items
and show you the escalation and all the

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costs that are associated with these
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So to start with Cox Elementary, um this
school over the 10 years we came to just

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over $6 million. The majority of that
cost what were in these items I'm going

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to present to you here. Um HVAC the bulk
of that is re recommended around 5 years

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from now. A lot of it had to do with
duck work and air distribution and

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insulation of the existing piping. Uh
also included in this is exterior sets

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and case work. a lot of it is aged and
some of it isn't necessarily accessible.

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Uh so we recommended over the next 3 to
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those items. Also included in this is
kitchen equipment. Um this was brought

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out about 9 years uh considering the
condition of all of the equipment in

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there. We had an um kitchen consultant
who thoroughly uh cataloged all of the

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equipment in each of the schools. And
then the other big ticket item for this

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school was exterior improvements. We met
with the police department, the fire

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department um to talk about any security
concerns that they had, whether it's

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sitewise, interior, and with that for
each school, we came up with a budget

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for security upgrades. Also, exterior
improvements. A big ticket item here was

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new pavement and striping

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for Baldwin Middle School. This school
being um a little bit older, this one is

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Oh, sorry, that one's not older. It's
1968, but um being a bigger school, it

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requires a little bit more uh money
towards these capital improvements. Um

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one of the big ticket items was roof
replacement. EPA EP dam roofing, asphalt

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shingles, and flashing were big items
that needed a lot of repair. Um, again,

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exterior improvements and security
improvements. Um, the lower uh parking

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lot requires some restriping and
repaving, some security upgrades. We had

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talked about since that has a long
driveway coming down to it. There was

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concerns about car access um and other
similar security upgrades. Another big

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ticket item was casework. again with
just overall aging repairs and

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accessibility.
Um being an older school, the masonry,

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the exterior masonry needed looks like
it needs a bit of work. Um some of these

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repairs are considered more immediate
repairs because we saw a lot of

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deterioration at the exterior and
certain facads, especially where

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moisture buildup and mold growth and
things like that were occurring. Um,

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also electrical upgrade upgrades,
upgrades to the emergency systems, the

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exterior lighting and controls and
distribution panels. And then we put in

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some allowances for some accessibility
and abatement for some of these

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upgrades. Um, being in an older
building, abatement is definitely a

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concern.
Uh, for Kelvin Leit, we're around $12

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million over the 10 years. Again, this
was for HVAC replacing um AC units and

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upgrading the HVAC controls. Also, in
this one, a roof replacement, which we

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considered an immediate need for EP EPDM
and asphalt shingle roofing.

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The plumbing systems need some upgrades
for storm drainage systems and replacing

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some of the older manual flush valves to
make them more energy efficient and also

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uh address some of the accessibility
concerns.

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Electrical upgrades, the main electrical
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uh for casework. Again, this is similar
accessibility concerns in older

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facilities
kitchen equipment. And then we've also

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put in some allowances for there's an
area where there's a connection to what

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looks like an an addition for some
portables that isn't necessarily

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accessible. So we've recommended an
allowance for making that accessible and

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then just general mechanical maintenance
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newer systems.

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Guilford High School being your newest
building had far less that was required

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over the 10 years with some kitchen
kitchen equipment, replacement of some

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ovens, things like that, just keeping up
with the times and all of your students

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coming in and out and then exterior
improvements and some ex uh security

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upgrades. But overall, this school
obviously has the least amount because

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it's your newest facility.
Guilford Lakes, uh we're about $6

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billion here.
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upgrades, sidewalk replacements, again,
kitchen equipment, and again in the in

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our report, you'll see a detailed
breakdown of each equipment item that

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they're um recommending being replaced
and when they recommend that. And again,

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exterior sopets and casework.
And uh again, we put in an allowance for

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just some general repairs, general
maintenance items that weren't

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necessarily big ticket items that needed
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things that just need to be kept up with
over time. And then again, abatement for

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any of these types any type of work that
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anything like that.
And then Melissa Jones, we are just over

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$3 million. The bulk of that went
towards electrical, the electrical power

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distribution, main electrical service
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interior and exterior. And then exterior
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replacement. Some of the ramps were a
little older and we were concerned about

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the slopes as well. So some of that
needs to be revisited with a we would

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recommend a civil engineer.
and Adams Middle School. This one was

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the biggest one. Um it's one of the
older buildings and this one came in at

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about $50 million. The bulk of that goes
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recommended installing a fully ducted
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the building and update the system
controls, replace existing duct work,

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HBAC units, RTUs.
All of that has a huge impact on the

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structure of the building. There's an
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that would be quite the challenge. So, a
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structural upgrades that would be needed
to support any new units that were

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installed in this portion of the
building. We also recommended plumbing

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upgrades, replace existing fixtures, um
sanitary and vent piping, replace storm

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and natural gas piping, and then roof
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the uh the shingle roof that you have is
brand new and in beautiful condition,

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but the EPADM portions of the roof are
definitely older and require replacement

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along with the flashing. And then we
also recommended a full uh fire

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suppression system. Only a small portion
of the building has any system and to be

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to make this building fully compliant
with current standards, we recommended

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the entire building be provided with
this. And then a full kitchen renovation

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is something that we discussed
uh at length with the superintendent and

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facilities director. Um it's a little
bit undersized at the moment. So we put

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in a number for a full renovation. And
then additionally electrical upgrades

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which would also be partially in
conjunction with all these HBAC

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upgrades. um upgrade exterior emergency
lighting, um distribution panels to help

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support all of those new systems and
data cabling upgrades,

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as well as casework repairs and
accessibility concerns. We also put in

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an allowance for potential swing space
depending on when this work can happen.

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It might be too expensive to or
extensive to happen over just one summer

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when you're doing a whole new HVA system
or fire protection system. Uh, so we put

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in an allowance for a potential swing
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And as we continued our discussions
about Adams, we ended up going we

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extended our CIP to 20 years.
Considering the age of the building and

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all of the CIP just for the 10 years,
the cost associated with that is, as you

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can see, quite quite intense. Um, so
over the a 20-year period, we would also

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recommend uh replacing the modular
classroom, which came out to a little

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over $7 million. And then included in
that some concrete sidewalk updates,

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replacement of uh the driveways, and
over a 10 20-year period, escalation

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alone is almost $7 million. So that's
where you get the 14 million at the top

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of the page here.

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And as we were working with the team on
this, we looked at what it would cost to

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have a renovate as new your existing
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then we also explored new construction
with a bonus which the bonus would

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happen if we can prove to the state that
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be less expensive than renovating your
existing building. So as you can see

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that we break down um on the left that's
the total number and then we in the

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middle you have the eligible state share
and on this right that's what Guilford

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would be would have to pay for this um
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So, renovate as new came out to about
$99 million for the existing building,

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including the uh portables that you
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replace. New construction of just what
your allowable is based on your

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enrollment projections does not include
that extension because that is over the

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allowable per the state standards. Um,
so that came to about $87 million. And

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then as you can see, when you do new
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existing square footage minus the
portables, it's about 68 million. But

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since we were able to show here that you
would have um it would be less expensive

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to do renovate as new or no, sorry, new
construction, renovate as new would be

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more expensive. Then you get your
construction bonus. your grant, if you

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went in for a grant, your share would
actually go up to the renovate as new

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percentage, which at the time was about
30%. Um, it's I think it's changed. The

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20 27 numbers have come out. So, these
numbers would need to be tweaked a

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little bit, but it's actually comes out
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» I just wanted to plug in. Could you go
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Maybe.
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information that didn't I'm sorry, did
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um everything that she just went through
is summarized here. And if you add up,

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um everything that she just showed you,
um you'll you'll see there's there's a

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lot of other things that are in the
report that are not accounted for. Those

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were just the big the big picture items
so that we could actually make a

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presentation tonight and not have to go
through,400 pages of of of uh of uh this

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report. Um this also so this also
accounts for um the the cost of money as

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you go through the years. So we've
escalated the price of these when if we

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say we're going to do something in we
recommend you do something in one year,

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it's next year's dollars. If we say if
we say we're going to do something in

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five years, it's it's the price of money
in five years and then out 10 years

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using a 4% per year escalation in price.
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brush. Keep in mind that these are
budgets and not cost estimates. These

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budgets are based on on uh this was
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that we work with, by our cost estimator
um as numbers that we are currently

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using for for uh prevailing wage
construction um in in this area of

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Connecticut. So, um we've accounted for
escalation and we've attempted to

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account for uh state reimbursements.
Some things are reimburseable, some

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things are not reimburseable. Um, and
keep in mind that this this um report

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that we're asked to do is capital
improvements. It's it's not um an educ

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educational specificationbased
review. It is just simply to maintain

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your buildings. Um with that
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» go ahead.
>> Sorry. Um uh Cliff, I wanted to give you

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an opportunity. Is there anything you
want to say at this moment?

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» No. No. They went through all the large
ticket items. So, okay, I think that's

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important part.
>> Okay. Um, I imagine there could be

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questions about uh process here and and
then uh no doubt uh questions or

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conversation around specific schools or
specific items. Um, and I have no need

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to kind of structure uh the conversation
in any particular way. So really open to

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um wherever someone might want to start.
Uh a lot to take in. Um even just that

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at the higher level.
>> Yeah, Amy, go ahead.

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» Um the roof replacement for Adams, was
the timing such that it included the

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capital um funding for the gym that we
just passed or is that

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» Yes, we knew about that. So we did not
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» Darn.
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chip off of the list. Primarily, they
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upgrades. Now, those would fall into the
tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars

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that we were able to chip away at this
summer. Um, but not any of the

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significant work we we rolled into the
numbers here.

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» Yeah. So there'll be some people who are
viewing this uh skeptically and will ask

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the question how much of this is nice to
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over the next 10 years do we really have
any sensible choice about

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ignoring any of this or are these the
things that really have to be done and

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get going on it or you you might be able
to pair 25 or $30 million off it and and

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down to bare minimums.

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» Yeah.
So, so, so we did this report alongside

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um our engineers that that uh design and
build with us on a daily CES who um and

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um so they went through and they looked
at the the the life expectancy of the

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mechanical equipment um and we based the
cost big numbers here are mechanical,

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electrical and plumbing systems as you
can and roofs. So, we base the roofs on

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the roof age and when the warranty of
the roof is up, the roof, you could have

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had the greatest install ever, and your
20-year roof will last you 40 years. You

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may have had you may have gotten the
McCoy units on the roof that were built

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on a Wednesday and not on a Monday, and
they could last you 30 years and not the

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the to the end of the warranty. What I'm
trying to say is we tried to take a look

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at an objective look at this and we
projected this stuff out to the life

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expectancy of the equipment. You guys
have excellent maintenance here and

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things could last longer, but the the
warranties and the maintenance um

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schedules say this is when it's time to
do the work. I know that you can take

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your chances, but but these are the And
then and then with the accessibility

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things, um the accessibility things
should have been addressed a long time

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ago, as you know, we address those when
the money is available to do them. We

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call them out so that you can put them
on your schedule. As far as nice to

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haves, I did right out of the gate say
that we were not addressing educational

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issues. We were just simply addressing
facilities issues. Education's at my

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heart, but at the same token, we were
just trying to make sure that your

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buildings function as they were intended
to be when they were designed and can

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continue to operate. So, my short answer
is you have to take this report very

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seriously and and attempt to um put
these into your capital budgets and this

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again is just a tool and hopefully your
schools last for a lot longer, but they

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are aged.

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What's the point? Just focusing on
Adamson a moment. What's the point

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beyond which we do so many of these
projects that you're recommending that

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it no longer makes sense to consider a
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» No longer makes sense to consider a new
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» in terms of doing capital improvement
projects. Yeah.

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» So, in other words, if once we spend $27
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another $60 million to build a new
building. You're correct. Okay. And like

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so what's the time limit that we have to
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work? Is that the roof?
>> I mean the roof is is a huge chunk of

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that.
>> Correct. And we picked off part of it

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this year. Keep in mind, right? There's
a huge difference between doing this

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work. This is maintenance. This is
replacement of systems, right? Which

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normally gives you another 20 years. And
if we're looking at Adam specifically,

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that building, which has been almost 100
years, another 10 years, it'll be 100

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years old. Um,
by by putting in $30 million, you're not

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getting another 50 years out of it,
right? Putting another 60 million into

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that building, you're not going to get
another 20. You'll get 20 years, but

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you're not getting another 50 or 75. So,
the the point is is that this is more

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maintenance to keep it going. If you
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million, that's like this high school,
right? We expect this now to last 50

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years. But if I spend 30 million at
Adams, that's only getting you 20 years.

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So, I don't know if you want to spend 30
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60 to get 50 to 60 years or 100 out of
it again. But if we decided tomorrow to

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build a new school, we would still have
five or six years worth of band-aids

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that would still need to be invested in
that school to get us there. Now, the

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band-aids won't cost the full 54
million, but it would be some some

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amount of money like the roof that we
did this summer to make sure that we

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could get to um a a new ribbon cutting
because that won't happen overnight. if

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if we decide if the community decides
that that's the way to go.

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» But the things that are on this list
have nothing to do with the building

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being 100 years old. The things that are
on this list are HBAC, which hasn't that

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maybe has something to do with being an
old building. But once you install that,

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you're going to get the lifetime of that
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» 20 years approximately.
>> That's what they building too.

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» What's that?
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building.
>> Same. understand that same

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» right you've replaced that same HBAC in
20 years old easier to install Matt

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» thank you very much for the presentation
did a nice job explaining it to layman

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uh my question is a little bit more
around prioritization you gave us one to

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10 year numbers uh we have a habit here
in town of bonding on an annual basis

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for certain projects and a lot of those
that we bond for I've seen up here okay

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uh So, at some point, is there a way to
prioritize on an annualized basis on

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these I'm going to call them peripheral,
you know, not the $50 million project.

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Um, and could we theoretically live over
the next 10 years with bonding for $4

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million a year because that's what we've
been historically doing. So this is a

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little premature in in in in the
conversation to have that, but that kind

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of prioritization schedule will give us
some idea of how we could afford to do

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some of this stuff over a period of time
with having the balloon payment uh due

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for the for the for the one major
project at some at some point down the

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road. So we did actually attempt to
address that with this report. We tried

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to bundle these um projects so that they
made sense. um what is what is uh what

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is the priority on what's going to fail
early and what makes sense to bundle

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things together. Um so the HVAC and
roofing for instance kind of need to be

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bundled together because you don't want
to replace your roof and then have to go

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and rip the units off and and redo all
of your dunage and and redo all of that

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again. So we tried to bundle all of the
things together to to get one

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mobilization at a school by a certain
group of contractors. Um, so instead of

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it being a a a a
flow that kind of looks straight across

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it, it kind of goes like this, you know,
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a question of um and and then we try to
look at what projects the state is going

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to assist you in in so what what is the
state going to allow you to bundle

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together um and what's going to be so
like the accessibility projects, the

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roofing projects, all of that stuff.
you'll get some money for a lot of the

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uh the you know the carpet replacements
and the ceiling replacements and the the

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the cafeteria equipment. They're not
going to give you any money for that.

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So, you can you can kind of uh
prioritize that a as needed. Um this

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again being the tool to to help you
decide that. But we did try to bundle it

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that way.
>> It was hard to see, Matt, but on that

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first slide, the first thing that you
saw was that 10-year calendar. And

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again, impossible to see there, but it
shows you projected spending per year

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for those 10 years, but that is built on
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of 40 over 10 years.
>> Um, and again, right, this is this does

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not take into consideration other
financial pressures or political

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pressures or anything else. Um, so there
might be some ve that could take place

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here, some right things that we could
choose to address, not address. And if

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there were to be a largecale decision
about Adams, then that that calendar

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changes dramatically while you look at
six buildings and a building project in

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the way we did 12 years ago now when we
did this.

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» And this is a working document. So we
can actually replug those things and you

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call us up and say, you know, we're not
doing Adams and take it off and move it

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out 5 years.
>> So So Matt, that's what I do on a

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regular basis every year when I go for
bonding is I work with Paul and the

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staff, look at all the buildings and rep
prioritize projects. You know, for

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example, we look at Adam's roof and go,
can I get one more year out of that

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section or not? And then we determine
that has to stay or we push it one more

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year. So it is a fluent number that goes
up and down based upon what we think we

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can afford, you know, from talking to
you and and the board of finance uh and

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where we stand with the operations and
actual physical condition of those

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different projects and and the buildings
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» Just just a quick thank you for the that
explanation. I couldn't I couldn't see

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that truck. Apologies with
>> it'll be easier to see tomorrow. We'll

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get that over to Thank you very much.
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I'll I'll pass on this and I'll I'll
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» Mike, do you have a question?
>> Um, first of all, nice job.

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» Um, we kind of we kind of live in the
same same sphere. So, um, to kind of

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address a couple different issues, and
I'm not going to answer this question

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because it's on that last slide, which I
appreciate because we do analysis like

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this all the time. Um,
when I look at a something like this,

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for example, I see $92 million. And the
community, of course, is going to go $92

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million is a lot of money. But
communities do this so that they can

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actually, and I think you probably
already kind of figured this out. I

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think we're all going to come to the
realization that there's going to be one

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usually there's one or two projects that
are like, "Wow, that's the big that's

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the big one." There's no surprise here,
I don't think, from any of us that Adams

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is the big ticket item. So, I would be
looking at this at least from the

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summary that you've got $92 million, but
if you subtract out the 50,

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now wait, wait for it, cuz there's a
reason why I'm doing this. Now, you're

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at what, you know, call it 42 million
over 10 years, which now gets to your 4

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million. But that means you're taking
Adams and you're saying, "All right, you

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can't necessarily bond for $18 million
for the HVAC at Adams."

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» So this is where as a community we need
to start thinking, okay,

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going to Lose Point and the Mass Point.
How much money do we sink into Adams

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before it makes sense to take it offline
and build possibly a new school that

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would be more cost effective? And I
didn't want to necessarily try to answer

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the question I'd like you to, but if you
go to the last slide, which had that

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reimbursement, this is what communities
look like when you hear about the

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community somewhere in Connecticut that
says, okay, they did a study and this

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school is now being is going forward for
referendum to do a renovate as new.

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And you look at, you know, the costs
here. The one thing that I wanted to

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make sure was clear that there's a
20-year CIP that is put out for, you

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know, call it $64 million based on all
the analysis that you did and then a

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renovate as new is $99 million.
Could you for the people here in on TV,

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could you just explain why there's such
a difference between why is there a

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20-year CIP of 64 million and a renovate
as new for $99 million, which is

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basically adding 50% of the cost. Why is
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So, so we were we were asked to put
together a 10-year CIP and when we

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looked at Adams um and saw the problem
here, uh the first short answer to that

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is is a bond is going to be for 20 years
and not 10 years. So, you wouldn't want

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to compare a 10-year CIP to a 20-year
bond project. You want to go look at

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apples to apples. And so what would
happen is if we looked at Adams as a

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10-year project um and disregarded the
portables and the the the fact that you

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the swing space would be required for a
renovate as new or a new construction.

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That's money that that you you you
wouldn't be comparing apples to apples

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if you didn't look at it through the
lens of 20 years. So that's why this one

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kind of sat in the in in a kind of a
separate category because we get to the

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end of the 10 years, you've spent your
$50 million. Um, but you've got other

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money sitting out there that you're
going to have to spend between year 11

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and 20. That's real money that we didn't
want to disregard. Um, and so that

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became the comparison for do we do the
CIP? Do we look at and the whole reason

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00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:22,080
to look at a renovate as new is is um
the cost of money. the state's going to

406
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:25,200
give you reimbursement on that renovate
is new. They're you're not going to get

407
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:30,000
renovate you're not going to get money
on a lot of these CIP projects. So

408
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:33,039
that's why this was looked at in a in a
different lens. Did I answer that? Okay.

409
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,559
To
>> you you did and I I just want to say I

410
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:41,039
appreciate this slide because this could
be a very key slide for us to keep going

411
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:46,480
back to cuz guess what? It's only going
to get worse as the years go on. Um but

412
00:32:44,399 --> 00:32:50,159
I know that there's escalation that's
part of this as well that I'm sure you

413
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:53,919
added in. But this is where communities
and and ours included would look at a

414
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:58,240
new construction with the bonus. Let's
just assume that we get all the bonuses

415
00:32:55,919 --> 00:33:03,519
that Jamie talked about. The Guilford
share would be 60 million versus doing

416
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:07,120
64 million over 20 years. Well,
that is something to think about that

417
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:11,519
it's actually cheaper for the community
to go for a new school

418
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:15,360
» and get the reimbursement than to do
repairs over and over and over again and

419
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:21,120
get almost virtually nothing,
>> which has which also has another added

420
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:26,799
benefit. It allows us to also at the
same time pour fewer dollars think about

421
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:31,120
education and instruction. And so we've
said several times that this

422
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:36,720
presentation is about facilities only
and and we understand those limitations.

423
00:33:34,399 --> 00:33:41,519
But if the community chooses to go in
this direction, just as we did with this

424
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:47,760
high school, this high school project 12
years ago wasn't just a thoughtful and

425
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:52,399
efficient savings for the town over
time. It also became instructionally

426
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:57,600
wholly different than that old building
was. and we would have that opportunity

427
00:33:54,799 --> 00:34:02,320
open up to us if we talk about this
slide. That opportunity does not open to

428
00:34:00,399 --> 00:34:06,640
us when we talk about all of the other
slides that we've looked at tonight.

429
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:10,639
Right. My my only last thing is that we
did this with the high school and you

430
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:14,480
know this is the analysis that we do
with Adams and ended up being the right

431
00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:17,599
move for the high school. I mean, of of
course you could look around and say,

432
00:34:15,359 --> 00:34:20,639
"Of course it was." But back then when
we were looking at the numbers, it was

433
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:26,480
cheaper to actually build a new school
than try to renovate what was here by by

434
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:29,919
by a long shot. So you
>> I did. Yeah. So while I'm glad we're

435
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,800
talking about Adams, I'm wondering if we
could have the same conversation around

436
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:36,879
Calvin Lee. I mean, as a matter of fact,
it seems to actually have a higher

437
00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:42,240
percentage of placement need to
replacement value or sorry, repair need

438
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:46,000
to replacement value than Adams does.
So, I mean, should we be having the same

439
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:52,240
conversation around Calvin Le as well?
>> So, Calvin Le is coming to the 20-year

440
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:58,079
life cycle on a lot of items that were
done. So, when I first arrived, we

441
00:34:54,480 --> 00:35:02,640
replaced the entire HVAC, the replaced
portion of the roof, replaced all the

442
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:07,680
windows, and we did some interior
upgrades. It was not renovated like new,

443
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:11,839
but that hit the
the largest costs uh for that building.

444
00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:17,520
I think it was about a $9 million
project uh back then almost 20 years

445
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:22,880
ago. So all those systems now are coming
uh at the same time are coming up uh due

446
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:27,119
to be looked at. Now that being said
again will the windows last over 20

447
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:30,960
years? Yes. That you know we'll keep
pushing those and we've done certain

448
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:36,400
stuff to uh increase their their
lifespan. But uh things like the HVAC

449
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:39,520
system, yes, we're starting to see
things start to break down and have

450
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:47,440
problems. Will that have to get
replaced? Yes, it will. Uh so, um it is

451
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:53,040
a potential time to discuss that. I just
don't see that that building being as

452
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:58,160
large of a need as Adams uh and as
critical as Adams. I think I'd rather

453
00:35:55,200 --> 00:36:03,280
invest uh you know several million into
Calvin Elite and revitalize system by

454
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:08,320
system. Plus, I can pick them off and
stagger them. uh where I feel that Adams

455
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:12,000
is a much bigger number and a much
bigger need than than what we have going

456
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:16,560
on at uh Cal.
>> I just I look at that 10-year number of

457
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:23,119
I know it says I know it says 12 up
here, but we've got total number of 27

458
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:28,640
million. That's 63% of the replacement
cost.

459
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:33,280
I think to lose question, wheat is more
of a car that is generally in good shape

460
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:37,040
that needs a new transmission and it's
worth putting the new transmission in to

461
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:42,320
get another 100,000
>> whereas Adams already has 300,000 miles

462
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:47,359
on it and would you put a brand new
transmission into the car that has that

463
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:53,520
kind of transmission?
So, um I think yes, Calvin Leap because

464
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:57,680
of that 20-year mark is a bigger ticket,
but in a building that is in generally

465
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:03,200
in good shape, but needs to have a
number of those systems replaced and we

466
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:07,280
will get another 150,000 miles out of
that once we make those investments.

467
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:12,240
Adams, I think, is fundamentally a
different question as it begins to

468
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:21,040
approach its centennial trip.
At the sake of giving Mike uh PTS, um

469
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:27,119
can we assume that the that a number to
build at Baldwin would be close or

470
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:31,440
grossly higher than the 50 million to
move Adams over there and share that

471
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:35,920
infrastructure? This was something that
went to referendum how long ago?

472
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:40,079
» So that's the level of analysis we had
and asked for

473
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:46,960
these prices are just based on square
footage. Um, but a thoughtful plan that

474
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:52,400
maybe weds the existing property at
Baldwin and grows out an existing

475
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:57,440
facility that already houses 500 to be
capable of housing a,000 or,00 there

476
00:37:55,599 --> 00:38:00,800
might be some efficiencies that could be
found in such a plan. We didn't ask

477
00:37:59,359 --> 00:38:04,160
these guys to go to that level of
analysis yet.

478
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,240
» I hope I did I answer that as as an
educator.

479
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:10,160
» That's correct.
because there would certainly be some

480
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:14,160
adaptive reuse for the current Adams
property

481
00:38:11,359 --> 00:38:15,839
» including potential revenue,
>> right? Tax revenue.

482
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,760
» Yeah,
>> I think we do know from the previous

483
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:25,440
study what pushing 20 years ago now that
the site at Baldwin is large enough to

484
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:29,839
facilitate a thousand student 5 through
8 middle school which you're right then

485
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:34,960
clears up makes that property available
for town use or for any number of things

486
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:38,640
that might offset the cost of a project.
Thank you. Sorry, Mike.

487
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:41,359
» I It's not hand
am I catching everyone who wanted to

488
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,240
speak?
>> Go ahead.

489
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:49,440
» I may be restating a a previous
question.

490
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:53,440
The question is um in the report in the
1400 pages, is there a place that we

491
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:57,839
could go and I'll just focus on roofs
for example where we looked at a 10-year

492
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:02,720
study here, but are some of these roofs
due in a year or in year 10? I think

493
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:06,640
that's an important if it's not in the
report or maybe it is. Um, is that

494
00:39:05,839 --> 00:39:09,680
information there?
>> Yes. Yeah. At the end of the document,

495
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:14,400
we have spreadsheets that break it out
for every single year. So, you'll be be

496
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:17,920
able to see where we recommend that a
roof replacement, for example, happens.

497
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:21,280
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Yeah. The whole thing is all strung

498
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:27,040
together. So, as we costed things out,
it it populated the the big picture. And

499
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:30,720
so, as you and so we we placed each roof
in what year we think it should be done.

500
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,599
And we tried not to stack everything in
the first year, but a lot of things

501
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,160
obviously are stacked in the first year
because of Adams.

502
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:39,839
» These guys presented by building. They
could have presented by year and gone 10

503
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:41,520
years out and you'd see everything that
way as well.

504
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,640
» Thank you,
>> Christine. Thank you.

505
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:49,440
» Um, yes, we kind of talked about it a
little bit with Matt's comments about

506
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:54,480
Adams and Baldwin. Um, but generally
speaking, the 60 million that's

507
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:57,920
represented here to build Adams is just
simply a square footage to build a

508
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:02,320
school number. Is that right?
>> Correct. So, it's not including

509
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:06,240
purchasing property, which I assume if
we put it at Baldwin, we don't actually

510
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:11,520
have to purchase property. Correct.
>> And then we would be able to potentially

511
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:16,000
sell Adams and then gain whatever tax
benefit we would get from somebody doing

512
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:20,079
whatever they decide to do with that
property. So, we would get a potential

513
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:25,520
sale number that would come to the town
and then a tax revenue year-over-year

514
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:30,720
that would be coming to the town. And
that is not anything that's represented

515
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:36,320
here at all. So that 60 grand is just 60
million. I wish it were 60 grand is just

516
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:40,400
square footage price for the building.
>> Yeah. We we took the the projected

517
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:43,359
enrollment, multiplied that by how many
square feet the state was going to

518
00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:46,960
allow. We multiplied that by the current
cost of construction. Then we

519
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:52,000
accommodated for some swing space, some
some different some some things that are

520
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:55,680
probably likely you're going to spend on
it. And that's how we

521
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:59,839
» number was high. Is it possible that we
would use the existing building as swing

522
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:02,800
space and then be able to save to deduct
that revenue out of that 50 million

523
00:41:01,839 --> 00:41:07,280
build?
>> If we were building on empty property

524
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:11,359
that existed adjacent to Baldwin, then
there wouldn't be a swing space cost,

525
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:17,359
right? It's what we did here. It was
really complicated here, but we squeezed

526
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:20,640
two buildings onto this space during the
construction and then demolition phase.

527
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:23,599
» And was that swing space number like 7
million? What was that?

528
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:26,560
» Yes, it was around 7 million. If we
renovated as new

529
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:30,280
» that that was including the renovation.
>> So look, we're down to 53.

530
00:41:31,839 --> 00:41:36,640
» Just real quick, um, what was the
construction cost that you use per

531
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,839
square foot?
>> A,000.

532
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,400
» Thousand.
>> Yeah.

533
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,000
» I wanted to make sure that got out
there.

534
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,319
» That is
>> unfortunately

535
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:49,760
we've got
>> 10 years ago it was

536
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:52,480
» 400 400 4.
No,

537
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:57,359
» it's it's gone up substantially in the
last 5 years.

538
00:41:53,839 --> 00:41:57,359
» You you've you've lived it as well.

539
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:06,640
um uh my naive around all this stuff
that's going to come out with this

540
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:11,119
question, but Mike, you were asking a
question before

541
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:19,280
you understood it, but but for the rest
of us about I think the um to some

542
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:26,480
extent the difference in cost in a new
versus a renovate like new.

543
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:32,880
Would some of that be about things like
in order to put HVAC appropriate HVAC in

544
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:38,720
this building,
we're going to need to do acrobatics

545
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:42,880
conversation. We had a cliff.
>> Okay. Thank you. That's why that's why

546
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:46,800
the state kind of gives you that
incentive to to do a really deep dive

547
00:42:45,359 --> 00:42:51,119
into renovate is new because some
renovations you have swing space

548
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:55,839
» and it's really easy to get move the
kids out do the construction and move

549
00:42:52,480 --> 00:43:00,240
them back in. In some cases it's it's
>> shell game and it's makes it complexity

550
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:03,359
is one of the big cost drivers here.
>> Right. Okay.

551
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:07,359
» For sure. No doubt.
>> To follow up on that. So the the 20-year

552
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:13,440
CIP number was different than the
renovate is new. what is included in one

553
00:43:10,319 --> 00:43:18,800
that's not in the other.
>> We we felt that if we were going to look

554
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:24,160
at um a renovated new number that was
going to be a 20-year bond,

555
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:28,319
» but is is it the same?
>> Yeah. Is it all the projects in the

556
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:31,760
20-year CIP that you're just calling
renovate as new and then the state gives

557
00:43:29,839 --> 00:43:36,960
you money for it or is it like that
you're doing it all at once or are there

558
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:41,599
more projects involved in a renovate as
new? Could it I didn't

559
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:45,440
» Well, no. I'm just going to ask for you
to confirm this.

560
00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:49,440
» Usually a cost like that. So, when you
renovate a school is new, you have to

561
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,240
touch everything,
>> right?

562
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,680
» Mhm.
>> So, there are projects that are not in

563
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:57,200
that 64 that have to be touched.
>> Okay.

564
00:43:54,160 --> 00:44:01,839
» That may not be 20 years old. And so,
you have to make everything 20 years

565
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:04,640
old, even if it's 2 years old.
>> Right. Right. Yeah. That's

566
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:07,680
» But if you got reimbursement for it,
you're going to lose your reimbursement

567
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,520
because Right. So,
>> so,

568
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:13,599
» so the roof we just replaced, we'd have
to replace it again.

569
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:18,720
» Yes.
>> Really, that's a really really important

570
00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:23,680
piece of this whole thing is that um
it's a special uh for the the state says

571
00:44:22,319 --> 00:44:26,960
if you're not maintaining it, we're not
paying for it, but we're going to let

572
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:30,000
you renovate it as new if you do
everything and we know that your

573
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:38,240
investment is good for the next 20
years. That's the idea. So,

574
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:42,880
» yeah. Go ahead. How much um I'm guessing
you considering projected census as far

575
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:46,079
as student populations and the different
levels?

576
00:44:44,319 --> 00:44:51,359
» Yeah, we look we looked at the 8-year
projection for the enrollment for when

577
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:53,760
any whenever we looked at a a a portion
of a project that was going to be

578
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:58,480
reimbursed by the state. We would look
at the enrollment projections um out

579
00:44:56,240 --> 00:45:02,400
eight years and and use that number. And
that was the number that we used for the

580
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:07,599
Adam school as a replacement. That's how
we That's actually how we sized the new

581
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:12,560
construction and how we how we took the
penalty on the uh renovate is new to the

582
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:17,440
existing building. The truth is when you
probably do that, you're probably going

583
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:22,960
to just eliminate that the the portable
classroom, right? I mean, you're not

584
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:27,200
going to renovate that. So, but in order
to to fully understand that that goes

585
00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:31,119
next level to, you know, the board
writing and educational specification

586
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:37,040
and and it becomes a guideline to to
that. These are these are objective um

587
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:40,400
how the state reimbures you and what
your money's worth.

588
00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:44,560
» Does that make sense?
>> So without programmatically are we at a

589
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:48,640
place where that school is becoming more
and more obsolete just to do it

590
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,000
programmatically? It's not my area of
expertise.

591
00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:52,319
» Yes.
>> Yes.

592
00:45:50,319 --> 00:45:57,280
» And so and again it would be really
similar to the change that we made here.

593
00:45:54,880 --> 00:46:03,200
So there were really good things
happening in the old high school despite

594
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:07,359
the facility limitations. Now those
challenges have been taken out of the

595
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:14,160
way and and we're the same is happening
at Adams. Um really simple things like

596
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:18,400
the 1930 classrooms that have space
cooler units in them that you can't run

597
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:23,200
while you're trying to have a
conversation with the children. And so

598
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:27,520
we turn the AC off during actual
instructional time. so that people can

599
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:31,599
hear each other and we try to cool the
spaces down when the room isn't being

600
00:46:29,839 --> 00:46:37,280
used or when the students are doing
project work. Um, real simple example.

601
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:40,240
Um, but we would be able to do different
things with technology, different things

602
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:44,880
with furniture, different things with
the front shape of the classroom, size

603
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:48,400
of the classrooms. Yes. And it's what I
meant when I said we'd finally be able

604
00:46:46,319 --> 00:46:53,119
to think about the instructional impact
of doing this work as well as trying to

605
00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:57,200
be efficient and spend our money wisely
to keep these buildings in the best

606
00:46:54,480 --> 00:47:01,119
shape we can. Um I think the high school
staff here felt unfettered when they

607
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:04,359
moved into this space in a way that they
hadn't expected.

608
00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:11,119
We've talked a lot about roofing, HVAC,
but there are there any like health and

609
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:15,920
safety priorities that we need to make
sure are front focus like things that we

610
00:47:13,359 --> 00:47:21,920
need to take care of. Now,
>> the indoor air quality of the buildings

611
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:24,920
is addressed directly by the HVAC. Um,
and

612
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:31,760
so addressing
that is going to address a lot of the

613
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:36,560
the health and safety issues. I I
believe um one of the problems with with

614
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:39,920
doing it this way, and I'm I'm trying
not to be not objective, but one of the

615
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:44,800
problems here is that you've got the big
operating windows and you've got you've

616
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:48,240
got walls that have an R value of zero.
So, we're literally like mom and dad

617
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:53,440
used to say, what are you heating the
outdoors? You you you really are. Um so,

618
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:56,640
before you really size your HVAC
equipment, you want to really secure

619
00:47:54,720 --> 00:48:01,440
your envelope.
Um and that's something that we wouldn't

620
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:06,160
be doing. Um, so on a day when you've
got a high pollen count outside and

621
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:09,040
you've got students sensitive to uh uh
um

622
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:12,000
» sensitive to allergies um and it's
really hot in the building, you're

623
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,960
opening that window and the allergens
are all coming in where with a with a

624
00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:18,800
secured
>> perimeter or secured envelope, you don't

625
00:48:17,359 --> 00:48:22,319
have that problem. You we're dealing
with the air with filters and

626
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,880
pre-cooling and things like that.
>> And Cliff, maybe you'll know this, but

627
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:28,720
like there's there's reference made
about like old electrical panels, right?

628
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:31,599
Are are we of any concern right now
about some of the electrical that's in

629
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,960
any of the buildings that we need to
replace immediately?

630
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:40,079
» No, we've taken care of most of those uh
issues over uh the past probably 10

631
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:46,160
years. If you recall, we did do a couple
large upgrades. Adams uh we took care of

632
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:50,720
a bunch of uh panels there. And then we
also did work at Jones to ensure uh

633
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:55,839
sections of that building were done and
Baldwin uh we did a heavy electrical

634
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:59,280
upgrade there uh to again improve and
replace a lot of the panels. So uh

635
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:03,440
overall we're in pretty good shape
throughout the district. The electrical

636
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:07,040
um we've kind of bidden off some of the
really old stuff uh but again it's still

637
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:12,240
slowing fun down.
>> Yeah, your life safety systems are

638
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:14,480
monitored. They're just antiquated.
>> Go ahead.

639
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:19,680
» I'd just like to follow up on Bill's
question. uh relative to consideration

640
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:23,119
for student population drops which are
they're obvious and they're going to

641
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:27,359
continue to drop based on birth rates,
right? um are we when are we going to be

642
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:32,800
prepared to talk to the community about
why we are or are not considering

643
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:37,680
closing a school and it's an unfair
question uh but it's one that I think is

644
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:42,640
in the community right our neighbors
around us are closing schools

645
00:49:39,839 --> 00:49:46,640
» u we're also seeing population drops I
know we haven't seen them to the degree

646
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:49,839
that Madison did uh or maybe some of the
other communities did

647
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:54,240
» owing to the success of this board of
education and putting a first class

648
00:49:51,839 --> 00:49:59,599
education out there Uh, so at what point
do we start address that conversation

649
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:03,760
and cut it off at its knees before we
get too deep into this?

650
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:06,000
» So, where are we in our I'm trying to
remember where we are in our demographic

651
00:50:05,359 --> 00:50:07,920
study.
>> I want to say

652
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:11,760
» like two or three years in.
>> I was going to say two or three years.

653
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:14,640
We had the SLAM group do a demographic
study

654
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:21,680
» which actually showed that we're going
to start increasing enrollment again.

655
00:50:18,559 --> 00:50:28,160
Now, it only now will go out another
seven years. Um,

656
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:33,599
» so it's not an unimportant question,
but the study that was done for Guilford

657
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:38,720
suggests that we're going to start
increasing again. We are not going to

658
00:50:35,839 --> 00:50:42,640
reach the level we were at 10 years ago.
I'm looking at Paul because he might

659
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:48,559
know the study more have it more in the
front of his head, but um but actually

660
00:50:45,839 --> 00:50:52,800
showed that we're going to start picking
up enrollment again.

661
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:58,720
» Yeah. So the it's available on our
website. It is the SLAM demographic

662
00:50:55,440 --> 00:51:03,440
study. Um it showed that in years 1
through five, now again we're probably

663
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:07,599
two maybe even three years into it. It
had showed that in years 1 through five,

664
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:11,599
the decline was going to slow and then
stop and plateau. And in years five

665
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:16,720
through 10, we were going to start
increasing enrollment once again. We are

666
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:20,880
tracking behind. We're not slowing as
quickly as it said we would. So, it

667
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:24,720
might be worthwhile, especially if we're
going to think about a building project,

668
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:29,359
it might be worthwhile to go back and
ask them to update that study. But they

669
00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:32,960
saw they saw leveling and then
increasing birth rates again or

670
00:51:31,359 --> 00:51:36,880
enrollment rates. I think the birth rate
is already sort of leveled out and

671
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:41,040
they're expecting that we're going to
start growing again. We're not seeing

672
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:45,440
that as quickly as the study projected
in first couple years. It's really

673
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:50,000
different because the previous study we
were were supposed to be declining and

674
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:54,240
we never declined at the rate that the
study projected. We always declined

675
00:51:51,839 --> 00:51:58,079
slower. Now this study tells us we're
going to plateau and start growing and

676
00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:02,240
we're not doing that as quickly as the
study projected either. I I think we

677
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:04,400
need that data sooner rather than later
because there are a number of people who

678
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:07,520
will tell me.
>> Absolutely.

679
00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:11,520
» 10 years ago we had 3,700 kids in the
system. How many that

680
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:16,400
» Sure. I will say this on my street.
>> Four houses in the last 18 months have

681
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:20,079
turned over from no kids families to
babies, preschool age kids, all four

682
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:24,880
houses. So
>> we could reach out and ask them what

683
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:30,880
I think we need to get ahead of that.
>> Oh 100%. And and it is a good idea to to

684
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:35,200
to to invest a little bit of time into
into an update particularly if it's not

685
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:39,200
exactly tracking the world
>> because I think there's a perception in

686
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:42,480
the world that our student population is
dropping has dropped significantly over

687
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:47,920
the years. Yes. Why are we going to be
spending so much more money and not look

688
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:53,680
at any opportunity to consolidate? Now I
think that right the again if we go back

689
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:59,440
to the plan of taking two middle schools
and consolidating there right so right I

690
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:03,359
think that there is consolidation in in
the buildings there there'd be there'd

691
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:07,839
be bus run efficiencies that could be
generated there without necessarily we

692
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:12,079
need to be prepared to answer the
question but it might be consolidating

693
00:53:09,839 --> 00:53:17,440
at that middle level and not necessarily
closing on a four neighborhood schools

694
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:22,160
» no thank
No, no, no. It's a it's a really,

695
00:53:19,359 --> 00:53:27,680
believe me, I was thinking of
>> other other questions. I No doubt um

696
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:32,960
once people have materials in front of
them and are um looking at them,

697
00:53:30,319 --> 00:53:36,400
there'll be more. Go ahead. a little bit
of what John mentioned about the air.

698
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:43,040
» A little bit of what John mentioned
about air quality and safety and I mean

699
00:53:39,839 --> 00:53:48,400
this Adams HBAC has been a a crisis
probably is a right word for an awfully

700
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:54,160
long time. Um and and I kind of want to
bring my question back in line. I mean,

701
00:53:50,400 --> 00:54:00,000
if we do that $12 million project
somehow and and what's the and even if

702
00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:05,440
we decided we're going to build a new
building today, that's 5 years until

703
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:10,800
» that Adams is no longer good. But if we
somehow that's delayed 5 years and and

704
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:15,200
then there's I hope I'm saying this
clearly, there's a 10-year window of

705
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:21,520
usage for the HVAC. Is that cost
effective? we get a new building 10

706
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:28,319
years from now and we have nine years at
least of better air quality in this

707
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:30,880
middle core building. Is that sensible
question?

708
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:36,880
» Yes.
I think I just kind of feed off that a

709
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:42,640
little bit. Um depending on what the
decision

710
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:47,680
uh the decision that's made, right, that
would greatly influence what work we do

711
00:54:45,359 --> 00:54:50,720
there. But it also determines what
level, right? So, if you're told we're

712
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:53,839
going to keep this building for another
50 years,

713
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:59,119
» I'm going to do like we do in most of
the the schools and put uh a mid to high

714
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:03,280
range system in there that we know we
get good quality, right? That meets all,

715
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:07,040
you know, ashrays and all the other
standards that we need. However, if you

716
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:12,000
told me that you only need to get five,
maybe seven years out of it, I'd ve that

717
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:16,880
system down, right? We still get good
air quality, but it might not be as high

718
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:21,280
a quality or have different features,
right? You might have less controls,

719
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:25,440
some less monitoring, things of that
nature. Um, because we know we don't

720
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:28,960
need that long term.
>> Uh,

721
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:31,359
» yeah. So, you can get an $8 million HC
instead of just picking numbers out of

722
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:33,119
thin air.
>> But I hear what you're saying, but

723
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:37,119
that's
>> and 10 year life, not 20 year life,

724
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:42,240
right? Yes.
>> So to see the whole Adams plan like plan

725
00:55:39,839 --> 00:55:46,720
B for Adams using it for eight more
years the assumption that was made.

726
00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:52,240
» Interesting.
>> So So it it sounds like

727
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:57,280
what we're seeing in this study is
really a study of necessity.

728
00:55:55,280 --> 00:56:02,319
It's necessary that we do most of this
work and and we and there's a cost

729
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:06,640
associated with it. It can't be ignored
no matter how much none of us like this

730
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:12,559
as community members.
we're either going to pay now or pay

731
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:18,799
later. But that seems to be a fact. Um
that's the general thing.

732
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:27,200
The elephant in the room is Adams in so
far as if we decide that

733
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:31,040
the the cost benefit of fixing it
and then seeing that we're not going to

734
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:35,200
get more than 10ear benefit out of it
versus going new and biting the bullet

735
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:39,920
now and starting to plan. Even if we
take five to six years or seven years to

736
00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:45,280
get it, seems to me if we decide that
relatively soon from a strategic point

737
00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:50,000
of view, we just need to start having
the conversation with the community so

738
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:55,680
that in fact we don't spend four years
talking about this in theory. We've got

739
00:56:52,000 --> 00:57:03,119
real numbers. We got real needs and this
these things can be made very concrete,

740
00:56:57,839 --> 00:57:09,280
no pun intended. Um, and so I'm simply
suggesting that the more we can actually

741
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:13,680
make this a realistic proposition,
at some point the board is going to be

742
00:57:11,359 --> 00:57:19,839
responsible for making a recommendation
in our budget as to what we should do.

743
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:23,760
That's I'm just saying to my colleagues,
sounds like we in consultation with the

744
00:57:21,839 --> 00:57:30,559
other boards ought to come up with some
sort of a plan relatively soon. I I want

745
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:37,280
to add something that I think is really
important

746
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:40,160
for everybody on the camera to hear. Um
and I'm sure the board of slotsman are

747
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:45,359
thinking about it. I'm sure the board of
finance is thinking about it. But um we

748
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:47,920
know I hope everyone knows in the
community that this is not the only

749
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:51,680
project
>> right

750
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:54,960
» that is going to be happening when we
when we just had a meeting last week and

751
00:57:53,599 --> 00:58:01,200
are having a meeting next week about
buying buying property possibly

752
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:05,119
» for use of another for for a a police
station project that we don't

753
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:09,280
necessarily have yet. We also have a
public works building

754
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:15,280
» that is looking to be moved and
replaced. So I think it's very important

755
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:18,079
that it's that no one thinks, hey, Adams
needs to be replaced. We need a plan in

756
00:58:16,799 --> 00:58:23,200
a year and we need to get this thing
built in 5 years. We've got bonding, you

757
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:27,839
know, to consider. I'm not saying we
have bonding issues,

758
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:31,359
» but we can't bond everything all in a
matter of 5 years or otherwise we're

759
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:36,000
going to spike to like a, you know, 20%
or 15% of our capacity, which is not

760
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:41,440
what we want. We want things to roll off
to add on. So, I think I wanted to do

761
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:45,839
that as kind of a PSA.
Um, because if anybody thinks in the

762
00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:49,760
community, oh my god, we're going to do
that and they're they must be crazy. And

763
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:54,880
I know that people will post on Facebook
tonight or in social media or whatever

764
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:58,400
their their media is. I can't believe
this town is going to spend more money.

765
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:02,559
This is part of the whole process of
planning. And if it wasn't for Frier

766
00:59:00,319 --> 00:59:06,960
doing the study, we wouldn't have the
tools, which is exactly what Michael

767
00:59:04,319 --> 00:59:11,280
said numerous times to be able to look
at this in a realistic way. So, we're

768
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:15,280
cognizant of all the other things that
are going on. We just have to plan them

769
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:18,480
and and put them in the the rather I
won't say right order cuz I'm sure the

770
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,319
police station wants to be done first
order,

771
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:23,119
» but I'm sure that, you know, the school
system wants theirs done first and I'm

772
00:59:21,839 --> 00:59:27,040
sure public works wants theirs done
first, but they're going to have to

773
00:59:24,799 --> 00:59:32,319
somehow go into a process. So and and
perhaps to state the very obvious but uh

774
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:36,079
but always work it
>> right. We have the board of selectmen

775
00:59:34,319 --> 00:59:41,760
and the board of finance and the
standing building committee here not as

776
00:59:38,319 --> 00:59:48,720
an FYI. Um right I mean this is this is
a this is a community

777
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:53,599
board decision. Right. to your point um
uh and on top of your point um these are

778
00:59:51,839 --> 00:59:58,160
these are decisions we need to make
collaboratively thinking about

779
00:59:56,079 --> 01:00:02,319
everything that we as town officials
need to think about. Go ahead.

780
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:06,079
» And I think another intangible that's
kind of elevating the room for Adams is

781
01:00:04,319 --> 01:00:10,160
the historic nature of the building. And
yes, it's the downside because the HBAC

782
01:00:08,319 --> 01:00:12,799
is difficult to put in and all that, but
I know there are people in the community

783
01:00:11,359 --> 01:00:19,760
that don't want to see that building
just raised and replaced. And so that

784
01:00:15,359 --> 01:00:23,040
will be part of the conversation and and
on both sides of the fence. I

785
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:26,240
» agree.
Mike Mike, thank you for bringing up the

786
01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:31,440
town side. Uh I didn't want to rain on
any place parade here tonight. Um but

787
01:00:28,799 --> 01:00:36,079
you're right. And to Mike's point, we've
basically been sitting on a new public

788
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:39,200
works facility for a few years. We
purchased a piece of property up there

789
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:43,599
with the express intent of moving it up
there. We did some preliminary site

790
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:49,440
work. We did some preliminary design
work. uh and we've been sitting on it

791
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:53,920
because of the very fact that in 2030
we're going to see a significant decline

792
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:58,640
in our debt service payments. Yep.
>> Which are for

793
01:00:55,920 --> 01:01:03,680
» disability. Okay. So, uh we we have
gotten into the queue uh ostensively uh

794
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:07,119
at least one project on the town side
and now there's another potential

795
01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:10,240
project with the police department. So I
think it is going to take a little bit

796
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:14,319
of work, a lot of work and we've
demonstrated that the ability to do that

797
01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:16,319
in the past between the boards to figure
out how we do this collectively.

798
01:01:15,839 --> 01:01:22,880
» Mhm.
>> Yep.

799
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:27,839
» Um we had kind of a a 1h hour meeting
here in mind. Um, but I don't want and

800
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:31,599
and I and I'm saying that out loud just
to be respectful of people's time, but I

801
01:01:30,079 --> 01:01:35,359
certainly don't want to cut off
discussion or questions if if there are

802
01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:37,920
people who still have them that haven't
had a chance.

803
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:41,920
» The only thing I'll add to what Dick was
just saying is um and in order to have

804
01:01:39,839 --> 01:01:46,640
this community conversation, we do need
to understand what the cost to add to

805
01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:53,040
Baldwin will be.
>> That is definitely,

806
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:56,880
you know, an important piece to this.
Well, I I I mean, I've heard a couple of

807
01:01:54,960 --> 01:02:04,559
action items, some of them easier than
others. Um, one is um uh Board of Ed

808
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:09,760
Guilford public schools um uh
considering a a demographic kind of an

809
01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:15,839
update to our demographic study that
that's going to be important information

810
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:21,520
to inform. Um uh that has right that has
come up. If if one of the things we need

811
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:26,559
to think about is is is Baldwin
um a site where we might in a

812
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:33,119
conversation around all these things
think about um adding we'll have to to

813
01:02:29,359 --> 01:02:39,200
to determine um how to how to make that
assessment. We could have a conversation

814
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:45,440
about how to try to find more specific
numbers, but it gets complicated by how

815
01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:49,599
far into a process do we want to start
going. do. I don't think we're ready to

816
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:54,799
start writing EDS specs, which would be
a requirement to start to get real

817
01:02:52,000 --> 01:03:00,880
numbers, but we might be able to refine
the very broad numbers for tonight more

818
01:02:57,599 --> 01:03:06,319
fully and and see if that helps as the
town has to make thoughtful, holistic

819
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:12,960
priority decisions overall. Um, we're
very aware of the fact that this is only

820
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:16,319
one side of of a a very multifaceted
conversation.

821
01:03:14,319 --> 01:03:22,319
One question, Mike. How much work was
done to to develop estimates for moving

822
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:27,200
for expanding Baldwin 15 years ago or
whatever that was?

823
01:03:25,359 --> 01:03:31,200
» Did didn't we have didn't were we
looking at developing Baldwin?

824
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:35,599
» Yes. So, how much how much state work
was done, engineering work, or is there

825
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:40,400
is there anything that we have on
>> there? There was there was a study done

826
01:03:38,559 --> 01:03:43,760
by
I think it was they don't exist anymore

827
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:47,119
but I think Fletcher Thompson.
>> Yeah, there's a fairly extensive plan.

828
01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:51,839
They're 20 years old. They probably have
it somewhere in a buried file that

829
01:03:49,039 --> 01:03:56,720
probably talks about
we have we have we have those but again

830
01:03:54,640 --> 01:04:01,039
they're 20 years old and we'd want to
look at the plan itself. I think at a

831
01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:05,760
very high level it is a really
thoughtful and elegant plan to to put

832
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:10,240
two facilities on one site. There's a
lot that argues for a 5'8 middle school.

833
01:04:08,319 --> 01:04:15,119
I don't think we need to be maintaining
two separate middle schools. I think

834
01:04:12,319 --> 01:04:19,680
there's a lot conceptually
that is very good, but it's 20 years

835
01:04:17,359 --> 01:04:22,799
old. We want to take a look at it and be
really thoughtful about it.

836
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:25,440
» But I think even a 20-year-old plan
should have been able to say, "Okay, we

837
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:28,640
can accommodate septic, we can
accommodate the playing fields, we can

838
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,720
accommodate layout."
>> I think it tells us we have the space

839
01:04:30,319 --> 01:04:34,319
for sure.
>> A good document to start.

840
01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:39,119
The only thing I would caution and this
is something the board of ed or Dr. Dr.

841
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:42,960
Freeman would have to do is look at
those plans and look at the concepts and

842
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:44,160
say, "All right, is this still going to
meet

843
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:47,359
» Yes.
>> You know, for example, 20 years ago, you

844
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:51,920
may not you probably didn't have the
technology and the robotics or whatever

845
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:54,319
other curriculum that you would want to
implement now." So, you'd have to look

846
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:58,079
at it and kind of say, "Oh, this wasn't
in there. Oh, and we don't need this

847
01:04:55,599 --> 01:05:02,319
anymore." But other than that, I think I
think footprint accessibility and

848
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:05,359
services. Yes. I think it answers the
fact that I think it answers that it's

849
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:09,920
feasible. Y
>> so that's another action item then to to

850
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:15,359
to take a look at at at those plans and
see what we can learn from them

851
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:17,920
» um in a way that helps inform thinking
that way

852
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:20,319
» and would there then be projects at
Baldwin that you'd want to put off

853
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,640
because
>> Yep.

854
01:05:20,799 --> 01:05:26,559
» new construction
to

855
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:30,640
that would factor into the timeline.
>> I'm I'm sure it's a very complicated

856
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:36,799
web. I'm just trying to identify because
I any action steps that we can you know

857
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:42,559
uh this these decisions are going to be
made by by kind of um identifying the

858
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:48,240
the small steps first. So we've got a
couple um I imagine people around this

859
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:52,319
table will think of these on the car
ride home or tomorrow or sometime this

860
01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:56,680
weekend. And I um
>> or when you get 1400 pages.

861
01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:04,880
» And I I I do want um uh there may be a
better approach to this, but at least in

862
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:11,039
the meantime,
um uh I as board of ed chair uh with Dr.

863
01:06:09,359 --> 01:06:18,559
Freeman and Cliff. I mean, we can
receive questions, um, suggestions,

864
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:23,599
uh, proposed other additional action
items that could help this group really

865
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:27,680
think thoughtfully about various
options.

866
01:06:26,319 --> 01:06:32,559
» If there's if there's a lesson to be
learned from what we've been through

867
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:37,520
with the police department situation is
we don't have any plans to spend any

868
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:41,839
money right now. All we're talking about
is what are the needs over the long

869
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:47,760
term.
>> We got caught with a $35 million police

870
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:52,480
department estimate, right? And that
unfortunately

871
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:57,520
uh coalesed with the opportunity to
purchase the uh the property on on that

872
01:06:54,960 --> 01:07:03,280
space. So to keep it separate and the
message is we don't have any definitive

873
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:07,920
plans to spend any money at this point.
>> Trying to be thoughtful and formal

874
01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:11,039
planning. and and and and have the long
game in in

875
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:17,359
» Absolutely.
>> Any um any last questions while we're

876
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:19,359
all
>> Katie, if I may, there's just a couple

877
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:22,000
things I want.
>> Absolutely. Go ahead.

878
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:25,039
» One, I want to thank Frier for all the
work that they put in, the time that you

879
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:29,760
put into helping us to have this
conversation. And two, I do want to note

880
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:33,680
and I want to thank Cliff Gernham. Um we
have been investing thoughtfully in

881
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:38,720
these buildings for the last 15 to 20
years now. We know that this is a big

882
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:42,400
number. I also know that this number is
a lot smaller because of the work that

883
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:47,119
we've been doing consistently,
regularly, and thoughtfully. We started

884
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:52,880
with a 10-year study. We had a 10-year
study 12 years ago that we worked from

885
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:56,480
in very much the same way. Um, and and I
know that that number could be a lot

886
01:07:54,640 --> 01:08:01,119
bigger if it weren't for the thoughtful
work and planning that has gone in to

887
01:07:58,559 --> 01:08:05,200
date. We're in good shape because of the
work that we've done this board and our

888
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:09,280
facilities office. And I just want to
acknowledge all of that work as we're

889
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:13,440
talking about really thoughtful big
decisions for the town moving forward.

890
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:18,640
» Great.
>> Um, I want to thank uh everyone for

891
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:27,040
joining us for uh the viewing public.
Um, you may also certainly uh uh address

892
01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:33,040
questions as you always may. Um, our our
email addresses are are all online. Um,

893
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:38,000
and I think this is obviously going to
be the beginning of a lot of

894
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:42,640
conversations um, moving forward.
Um,

895
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:47,199
last last chance
last chance. Again, thank you so much

896
01:08:44,719 --> 01:08:52,560
for being here. Thank you for answering
all of our questions. Um, I am going to

897
01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:59,359
request a motion to adjurnn.
>> Second. All in favor or I. All right.

898
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:59,359
Thank you everyone. Good night.