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I call to order the designer review board hearing for the town of gypsum on September 2, 2021 at 409 p.m.

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meeting minutes of approval. Does anyone have any comments?

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If there are no comments to have a motion to approve,

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all in favor.

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Hi.

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I.

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Epstein.

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I.

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Meeting minutes are approved as written.

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Next on the agenda.

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Is the post office expansion project located at 100.

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Oak Ridge Court.

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James Woolbridge will present.

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Okay, so brief overview.

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Don't shoot the messenger.

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The post office right now is looking on ads.

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expanding at their existing facility rather than building a new facility, this is due to just a bunch of constraints.

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So, in the packet, Jeremy wrote a letter to the Post Office, it sent to the Ville Daily, it sent it to, you know,

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parties involved that should see it basically saying, like, hey, we don't think this is going to work.

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We need to find an alternate option, the town is going to partner.

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Well, then they take us up on that offer, but planning, community development,

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agrees expanding on the existing post office would not serve the communities needs.

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It's not going to be big enough.

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It's not going to fit parking.

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It's not going to fit ADA all that kind of stuff.

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What we are here to do today is provide them feedback on their designs.

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We have a 30 day period to collect community input feedback on the design and then submit

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that to their post office architect, because of various laws

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in the constitution, which basically says that state can't regulate

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the Fed, but the way around the kind of thing.

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They don't have to comply with any of our recommendations.

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It does not appear that they need to submit

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for a sign of your board permit or a building permit

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through the town.

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Now, don't know what that is going to look like moving forward,

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but we are going to take advantage of the opportunity to provide them comments.

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So with that, let's provide as many comments as we can.

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Christopher is going to be taking notes.

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I'm going to be out Thursday, Friday, and Tuesday, I'm getting married on Saturday.

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So I'll be out with the family.

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Thank you.

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But Christopher will be preparing that letter and he and Lana will be sending that back

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to the post office architects so that they have that feedback.

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with that, thank you for not shooting the messenger.

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I don't know what the best way to go about this is.

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You just go page by page and then, yeah, page by page.

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All right, let's just go page by page.

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Let's try to whip this out.

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And all right, so front page, there really isn't much to go here.

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I want to make a couple of comments.

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I do want to make a couple of comments.

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I don't agree with their document load at all.

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I think they've got occupants figured here.

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If you take the 3500 and the 1200 square feet, 150 square feet per occupant, you end up with 31.

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That unfortunately puts you in to a category in the plumbing code where you have to provide public restrooms.

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So, for the record.

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Do you know how building code works with the Fed?

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I don't.

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All I can tell you is the IBC, which is what their referencing is applicable codes.

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States, hundreds of 50 square feet per person, gross occupancy.

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You add the two occupancies, you come up with 31.

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Okay.

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Got that?

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All right.

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Again, IPC International Plumbing Code, if you look at that code, under 50, or above 25, you have

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to provide one toilet room per sex.

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That puts them into two public rooms, toilet rooms. They're not providing any toilet rooms as part of this. Packet that I can see, they've got two existing in the existing building, but it doesn't look like they're accessible to the general public, for what it's worth. Also, plumbing code requires you've got two drinking fountains, a high in a low. Again, just for reference when we're talking about the codes that are applicable that they reference here.

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So the codes that they say that they are following.

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Correct.

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Correct.

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The other common I want to make is when you're talking about class of construction, I believe

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they've referenced to be.

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This is a wood building to be, it doesn't allow any combustible construction just to

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side note.

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All right.

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What class should they be using?

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That is up to them, but they're in combustible construction.

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So it should be aligned with the code got it

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and maybe what I can say is we can talk about that offline maybe later

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Okay, so that's all I had on the cover page

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I don't think anybody had anything else.

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Oh good

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All right, page 2.

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We've got no setbacks here, right? I don't believe so

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I think we have zero setback in the market district

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Do they have a dumpster on site right now? I believe they do I don't

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No, if this plan shows up.

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I don't think they do.

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I drove by there this morning.

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I've got photographs.

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They've got all kinds of refuse bins

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about six or eight of them along the back side.

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I did not see any dumpster.

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So, you know.

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Yeah, I'm on page three.

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Everybody,

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you see here.

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I don't see anything for even refuse bins.

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Am I missing something?

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No, I didn't see it either.

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So Chris Ripley, trash, refuse, dumpster, and closure.

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Not sure, but are they required to provide bike racks at all?

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We don't have that in the code.

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It is something I am advocating for.

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But that is a part of the code that we are not going to get through for a while.

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And do you think it's a good idea, especially in the market district?

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Just had a curiosity on the side, but why are they going for a separate structure as opposed

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to attaching it?

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I'm going to assume cost, but I don't know.

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I just got the plans and not a whole lot else.

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I would assume cost.

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There is, I believe, a walkway between the two.

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I did not see it covered.

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I was looking for that and it's on my radar to provide a covered walkway for sure.

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I'm not seeing it either, but I thought I was told in a meeting that they were going to do that.

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And maybe not. Maybe Atlanta and I were misunderstanding the plans.

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Yeah, it's not on the plan.

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Okay, and I don't know if you guys see it, but I don't.

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One of the other things I wanted to comment on are the parking spaces right there.

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With the ADA ramp to the new building, they don't have, in my opinion, they don't have

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the proper backup space turning space, and that's right in the pedestrian access point to

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that building.

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Because this area right here where my cursor is, that's a ramp.

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correct car is going to car is going to straight up back right into this correct okay

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vehicular circulation is inadequate and not playing that well

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I would add the I agree and vehicular circulation at the existing post offices

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poor already so reducing the number of parking space

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This is going to make that even poorer. Agreed. A question I have for anyone here. Does anyone know if a post office has

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different parking requirements than any other commercial use building? I don't. I was going to ask

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what is the parking requirements per the towns ordinances?

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I think that that's going to depend on whether

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we classified it as office or retail,

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it would also potentially be impertinent if the federal

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government doesn't have to obey our rules.

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Yeah, I think the question is more, if it weren't to obey our rules, what would we,

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what would we do with that?

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Right, I think the point is, is that how many spaces do they are they providing?

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They're reducing spaces.

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But so the point should be that they will be under part by X number of parking spaces.

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And for the record in the letter that Jeremy sent them, he pointed out that they are already

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under-providing.

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I don't know if you guys have been there wearing people or parking not in a parking spot,

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like on the side by those bushes.

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Yeah, I would assume, yeah, I would assume everyone in here has had to park by the bushes

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And it's only a matter of time before people are parking in the street and that's creating impacts with our EMS.

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There are times during the week as well as on Saturday mornings when it's open when people are parking on Oak Ridge Court and parking in the new parking spaces adjacent to the church to be able to go into the post office because there's not adequate parking on site.

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I mean, I'm fine with people parking the official off-street parking that is what it's for, it is out of the way it is safe and not in peening traffic or the road.

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I think at some point, and especially this winter, the town has added residents, it's getting bigger,

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it's going to be an issue.

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And it's an issue every December, every January. You guys have all been here.

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I don't know how relevant this is to this meeting, but Dale has told me that the town

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of Eagle has run out of space for post office boxes, and the town of gypsum is now providing

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post office boxes for residents of the town of Eagle.

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Wow, that's a reverse of what it was like, three, four years ago, I'd hear about the opposite

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happening.

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So not only are we having more traffic as gypsum continues to grow, we're having more traffic

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because people in Eagle now have to come to gypsum to get their mail.

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No, didn't.

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Okay.

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What's our required parking space size?

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Uh, it's big in gypsum.

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10 by 10.

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10 by 20.

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And then you have a certain amount that you can have as compact, which I think are

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eight or nine by 18 18 18 thank you. These spaces are noted at 18 by nine so they don't

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meet our ordinances then. Correct 18 by nine is typical for residential parking and it's also

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typical in other on street parking that I've seen for other towns the town of gypsum's 10 by 20.

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Yeah, I think it's going to come from me not being here when those codes were put together.

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But I do think it's because of chips and more rural, aggro and agricultural nature and more workforce.

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A lot more pickup trucks, a lot more handy blue collar type workers.

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I'm not saying that's right or wrong.

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I'm just saying I think that's why the council went for that route.

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So, understood, and the existing parking spaces at the post office are not 10 by whatever,

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there are some of them are barely nine, some of them are smaller than a typical mine

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foot-wide space.

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Yeah, I've definitely seen some cars over hanging who didn't do a bad job parking.

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The other point I want to make is when I drove by the this morning, they were four

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employee or staff, of course. So if you had the staff under the public, use, you've got,

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you just took away four. And then there's an abandoned vehicle there. It looks abandoned.

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It's been there quite a while. I don't know, window open. So that's five parking spaces

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allocated to just staff. And I don't know if they're going to be hiring more with the expansion.

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So. That's a good, that is a good question. I don't know if they'll be hiring

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or with the expansion either.

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I know they're very busy back there. They have a perpetual now hiring sign in their window, so it's always an opportunity for more staff.

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I wonder if they want to add stuff or maintain a certain number.

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I mean, certainly having an adequate facility to work in to meet the needs of your job.

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Doesn't hinder employee retention.

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last norther most parking space next building doesn't work at all. You can't get it in

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that either. No, that's not. Maybe if you have a motorcycle,

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we're like one of those little

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fiat's. Is anyone driving those in gypsum?

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The other point is we've seen a vehicle go through the existing building and I would say they're

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going to have to add more violence here or do something. Right? Yeah. Because that is a problem.

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I was looking at their curb design, thought maybe, you know, non-monnable curb, something sort of

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design to stop vehicles from popping over that curb, right? That's a design, a civil engineering

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design, standard that you can incorporate.

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Since we're compiling a list of comments, questions requests, I would add a vehicular turnaround

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study showing the viability of those parking spaces closer to the proposed new structure.

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Okay.

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They might be able to make that work if they instead went with their lines directly

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east-west rather than at an angle.

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Yeah, it's not going to lose the spot, but it might

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be somewhat safer. Maybe

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we're going to get to it, but I'm not thrilled at all about how

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they're handling the mechanical on this. Yeah, so we're on page three right now, do we want

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to move it? But I see it on page three, they get a little mechanical, closed, attach screen

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area on that corner of the building. That's the reason why I'm bringing it up is because

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It's located on the site plan.

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all right, let's go to page four.

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Anything here?

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Just grading and erosion.

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We don't have landscape requirements for them, do we?

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I mean, the landscape, the landscape,

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yeah, and the landscape requirements in our

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architecture are pretty minimal.

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I mean, we want, like obviously things look nice

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and you look considerate, but we're not trying

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to not ever get away.

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It's meant to be more walkable.

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that a lot of your greenery is going to come from parks.

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They reference in the top right hand corner.

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They reference latest version of the UPS building design standards.

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Is that something that we think we should look at just to be familiar with?

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I mean we got to get these comments to them now.

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That way that they would have been some good homework to do.

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Um, I want to point out, uh, page five conflicts with their other site plans with their

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parking.

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You guys are looking at what I'm looking at, so it is hard to know what they are actually

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proposing on doing.

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Yeah, I saw that too, and then they've got that Chainlink Vensity tail.

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That's a big no.

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Where, where's that?

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Bottom corner of the page.

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Bottom?

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Oh, where are they putting, is that for the mechanical?

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I would be my guess.

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Permit or, uh, perimeter, or, fine, sign.

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Let's see.

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That's going to look wobbly.

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Can I see that, um,

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let me see here.

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View cage, new cage around HFAC unit.

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Yeah, okay.

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I think that is what is, quote, unquote, screening HFAC unit.

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and it could be incorrect about that.

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We're about infancy, three A and one.

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They're worried about the bearers.

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Well, they're gonna have a lot of heat coming out of that doctor.

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They might go see up to it, huh?

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Yes, it's gonna be the records.

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All right, anything else in this page?

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You got the downed that their site plans are conflicting.

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Thanks.

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Just to reinforce what Melanie said,

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no to chain length fencing to, yeah.

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not acceptable for screening mechanical equipment.

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On these architectural ones, and less functional ones,

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do something like C-Market District Guidelines.

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Industrial Ranch. Perfect.

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You know.

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One other comment I want to make,

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just to discuss any standards,

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for the close proximity of the parking space on the west

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to the actual exit.

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Typically, I don't know if the town has standards, but that's always something that we watch, right?

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So I would just say you may want to bet that.

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Yeah, correct.

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So as people are exiting the site, you're going to car there.

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You've got somebody backing up into that area of traffic, the motion, the vehicle movement,

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typically there's standards.

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For many of them distances, for parking space to that.

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Yeah, that would most likely be in our building codes on this sheet that we're looking at we're talking you we were discussing those

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Spaces on the Western property line those are labeled as

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Employee parking so

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that's taking away from user parking for which there already isn't enough

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Yeah,

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and which plan is correct you know the

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The geometry on these two plans are

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Between the sea plan and the A planter, wildly different.

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Agreed.

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So there's an error in the drawings.

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This is to get us a 30-day extension.

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There are civil engineers who did not coordinate with the architect.

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I mean, in fairness to them, that's not the first time we've seen plans like that.

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So I think it's very important that when you respond.

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Or look at me, he's doing it.

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when they meet with you that you make sure that they understand that they're going to provide

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12 parking spaces, and that whatever code or ordinance applies from our point of view,

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they should supply X number of spaces. 12 is clearly not enough.

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12 spaces for a community that is

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over 9,000 right now, and if I had money to bet, I would bet it will be over 10,000 in the next five years.

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It we don't have mail boxes.

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We don't have mail boxes.

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So we have to go to the post office.

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Jeremy's letter said, Jip seems over 10,000 people didn't it?

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Just under.

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Just under.

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Just under.

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The census is putting us at a number lower than we believe.

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We are, but we believe we still think we're under 10,000.

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So on this note, I personally have walked into the post office in the main entry and seen

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people line up all down that first row all the way down. So it's speed of service. It's

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all intertwined to how many parking spaces, right? So the faster they get people up, but

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point is it's not like you're picking up a beverage, right? And you're out the door, it's

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and let's be clear that people working in the post office are doing all that they can.

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Oh, yeah. I think they're living by their facility with how efficient they can be.

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They're absolutely limited by the facility and the number of staff that they have working there

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And all of that is, yes, on the post office entity, a hundred percent.

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And on that note, I guess, on efficiency, I don't understand my request would be to tie

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these two buildings together, definitely, you know, come out the back service door.

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You have to have at least a cover to area, but I don't see any reason why they can't connect

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these two.

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All right, no, I support what you're saying.

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I have a strong feeling they aren't doing that because of cost and time.

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Yeah.

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And I also think it's opposed to a potential security risk when you got an open.

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Well, I like that.

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Dupers.

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If this new shed that they're building is just a house.

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Post office boxes.

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And his staff is going to have to wheel their carts outside in the wintertime, through

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whatever.

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And that's an alley in alleyways between buildings are create wind corridors and create snow

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and ice build up.

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It's even in gypsum with a little snow as we get, we still can get snow storms of up to 20

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inches or more at a time.

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And when we get those Arctic freezes that settle in,

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even if it's not snow that came in,

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there's still enough moisture that we get,

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we do get ice, especially in those valleys.

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Yeah.

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We can have weeks at a time where it doesn't get above freezing,

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so there could be several weeks where snow and ice

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or a couple months where snow and ice is built up

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between those buildings and the great,

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the really treacherous situation for the staff,

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as well as public.

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A great, that's a good thing to point out.

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I am also going to point out, they have no setbacks and they are not taking advantage of that.

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The existing buildings and taking advantage of that and they are proposed new buildings

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and taking advantage of that,

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and neither does there any sort of upgrade considered to

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their parking lot.

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They might need to do retention all work out there to make that happen, but something I think

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that we should point out.

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Do we have any idea if this is just sort of a temporary mandate to give chips some a few more post office boxes or is this what we're going to get

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We believe we we we don't and I would say this is a poor bandage if that is what they if that is their strategy

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I would say one if they want to just give us more post office boxes. They could drop a couple of

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shipping containers on the watt and use that for a couple of years as a band-aid until they

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can come up with something better.

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You're not wrong.

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I don't disagree that, but.

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Do we know what the numbers are on post office boxes that we're expanding from and

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too?

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Not enough to not enough?

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No, I don't.

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We don't know.

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Yeah.

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And that would be a good thing to request.

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The other question I think I'd ask him is,

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what do they, how long do they project this addition?

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Will make this whole post office last?

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Well, for compared to the population projected population,

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growth of gypsum, do we have data on that?

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They haven't, they haven't provided us any data on how many people

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they expect this post.

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The government's office is to be able to serve. And I think going back on what Michael pointed out earlier is it's this post office and I think this valley's notorious for this, but this post office doesn't just serve the town of Jibson, it serves.

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It serves. It serves. It serves. Eagle, it serves. Those that can.

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I mean, just like every other post office in this valley. Is that also Colorado River Road and Sweetwater?

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I don't know how many, like, how big of a footprint this post office serves, but I do know from just living the valley and having friends in the valley, like, you get a peel box where you can, or where is convenient.

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That might not be where you live, it might be the town you work.

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I have friends that live in gypsum that work in needle and they have an eagle post office.

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Yep. My fiance when she moved out here, there's now a room at the eagle post office.

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She lived in gypsum, but she had to get a post office box in eagle.

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She also worked in gypsum.

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Now the concern of mine is, once they, if they move forward with this,

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It's kind of that philosophy or mentality that it's there and we're going to get it for the next 40 years, guys

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Exactly. This was the lands. That's what you get.

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So I

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I agree a question general question that I have about the existing building that land is

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privately owned the post office leases and land

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Did the post office build that original building or was that I?

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And it does get a question, I don't know the answer to that.

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I don't think so, but I do not know.

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I was just curious if that building was constructed for the post office or by the post office.

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And if it was constructed as a post office from the beginning or if it was some other kind

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of building that was taken over by the post office and then retrofitted.

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Yeah, no, I think that's a good question.

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But we brought up to our attorneys, hey, this building's least.

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Post office will walk away from the tomorrow.

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And then we have a bigger, not even more, not conforming building.

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It still doesn't plan.

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They can still choose to listen to us or ignore us.

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So there's many comments on their design.

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They're building their function.

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anything that can help them look more like they fit into the market district but also serve

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the communities needs and keep our residents safe. I do think that this parking lot is not

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super safe. I think a lot of gypsum residents have actually done a really good job in this parking lot

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of taking care of one another and trying to be safe. That being said, it's only a matter of time

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because it's not.

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It's when especially November and December in January.

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When all those packages are coming through,

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I don't believe this is safe.

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I think it only functions safely

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because ships and residents feel like,

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I don't know, they're all in it together

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and they get stuck and they drive,

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they actually drive slow.

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The other thing that I'm showing here is like,

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you know, it trucks back up to that loading deck.

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And trucks park there.

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Daily multiple times a day.

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And not only USPS trucks, but USPS has some sort of a contract where they will deliver packages

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to the post office that are supposed to go to a street address that get delivered to people's

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post office boxes.

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So there's delivery vehicles, I'm sorry, interrupt you James, but you're right.

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there are post office vehicles and there are local people that I believe are contracted with

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the post office as drivers. So there's a lot of delivery traffic going in and out in addition

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to staff employee traffic and customer user traffic. In addition to trash traffic that they

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have not shown where they're putting their trash. Right. So that trucks sticking out to the

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south of that dock, you know, blocks anybody who's parked in the 12 parking spaces that there

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are is blocking the entrance to the building expansion and it's not a building expansion.

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They're not touching. So it's a separate building.

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In addition to the issue with vehicular circulation and parking,

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the drive is intended to be one way with

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the entrance on the east side and the exit on the cell, or what is that, the cell side. Several times

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a year, I see people that either are new here or just decide that they don't want to pay attention

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to the signs and they drive through the other way, and it really screws traffic up.

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agree. So the vehicular

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circulation is problematic from the start.

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And I think this just

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aggravates pedestrian circulation as well. I would agree that there are no paths or sidewalks

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that go from the public sidewalk through the property to their walkway. You have to cross a truck

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or you just have to cross the parking lot, there's no path, there's no marked area for anyone to walk.

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Like if I was going to walk from Oak Ridge Drive or from Oak Ridge Court.

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So Christopher, I just want to make sure that when you meet with them, you'll be able to ask the questions about.

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So he's not going to be able to, I don't know if he's going to be meeting with them,

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or if they will arrange meeting what we're doing is providing him a letter.

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So that is what their request entails, or their documentation.

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Yeah. Okay. So in the letter, though, that we could reflect on

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the statistics in terms of what

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they proposed to be able to serve with this expansion and how that compares to the estimated

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growth of the town. Yeah. And I think that is something that Jeremy and we staff are pushing

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back on them.

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Do you want to say, like, remind everyone, like, we are the design view board right now,

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like what sort of design characteristics do we have to critique them on to make this potentially

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function better?

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I still agree that no matter how we, you know, skin this cat, it's not going to meet the

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communities needs.

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That was a fundamental question in my mind about what are we doing in this meeting today because it seems like

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We're trying to provide them any sort of architectural design or sight plan feedback that we can

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Jeremy's letter, I think, does it good job of addressing the inadequacy of meeting our town's needs for a new post office?

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Yeah.

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We can make all the comments we can, and hopefully they are received and addressed.

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So if we have any other sort of something I just noticed, they haven't submitted any

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colors, any, you know, material board type things, so what sort of materials would you

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like to see?

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I'm going to say it's post office, so they're probably going to go with that blue gray combo.

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Just to pick up just a second, James, the elevation showing on 4.2, a 4.2.

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Do not show the existing building in relation to the new building?

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Yeah.

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Agreed, I was going to note that as well.

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I'd like to see how these buildings relate to each other

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and that this is an inadequate set of drawings.

469
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:16,040
I agree.

470
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:21,140
You can't tell how this design relates to the existing design

471
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:26,280
and how it relates to the truck dock that it's right next to.

472
00:39:29,020 --> 00:39:29,160
Sure.

473
00:39:34,250 --> 00:39:36,030
Should we stay on the elevation page?

474
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:36,630
I did.

475
00:39:36,810 --> 00:39:38,950
Okay. I'm good with that. Should we move to it?

476
00:39:39,170 --> 00:39:41,070
Yeah, yeah. I got pulled up here.

477
00:39:41,230 --> 00:39:41,570
Okay.

478
00:39:41,570 --> 00:39:44,030
Yeah, A4.2.

479
00:39:48,140 --> 00:39:58,980
So basically, this building, if you look at this building, fits exactly into the pages in our design guidelines.

480
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,940
What we don't want.

481
00:40:05,930 --> 00:40:14,250
If you look at those pictures, this fits perfectly in what the town would not approve.

482
00:40:15,070 --> 00:40:23,190
Okay. So, elaborate on that. Get like, let's, like, how, how do we put that in writing to the post office?

483
00:40:25,930 --> 00:40:32,530
Because I think, I think you're on the money. This, this looks like, to me, right now, this looks like a building that fit more in our light industrial areas.

484
00:40:32,530 --> 00:40:38,850
This looks like a building that belongs in figure B of our design guidelines.

485
00:40:40,310 --> 00:40:49,310
Okay, figure B is not acceptable building types, materials, lighting, amenities, landscaping, and railings continue.

486
00:40:50,430 --> 00:40:54,150
That's just, I'm just reading from what we published.

487
00:40:54,150 --> 00:41:04,050
Yeah. And if you look at the pictures, this stucco building is to plain. This wood building is to plain.

488
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:09,870
Has anyone found any materials material in notes?

489
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,380
Yes, I think they're up in the notes alone.

490
00:41:15,020 --> 00:41:19,940
It's just to match existing is all of the notes that I read. It's citing to match existing,

491
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,460
roofing to match existing, citing color to match existing, so I'm on elevation notes.

492
00:41:24,460 --> 00:41:32,460
But to change this point, this looks like a metal building or they're gonna paint it red to look like brick

493
00:41:34,140 --> 00:41:40,800
They're gonna paint it the same brown as the existing post office. Isn't it just a plywood sighting on there?

494
00:41:40,940 --> 00:41:42,280
It looks like it was the almost

495
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:52,640
I know it's 11 11 11 11. Yeah, yeah, it's a plywood sighting. It's

496
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,840
But I'm with you, I think they have to,

497
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,860
my suggestion a recommendation would be,

498
00:41:56,900 --> 00:41:59,360
if you're going to be looking at wood sighting,

499
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,840
it has to be more ranching in terms of its finish.

500
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,460
Maybe a little distressed, something that follows

501
00:42:05,460 --> 00:42:08,280
this hitching post example,

502
00:42:11,540 --> 00:42:17,440
not a solid stain, but maybe a weathered wood exterior.

503
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,580
Veryable kind of stain, yeah.

504
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:20,380
Model, yep.

505
00:42:20,380 --> 00:42:35,710
I'm going to say the existing building needs a lot of maintenance and I don't think it's unreasonable to request that the existing building be recited and the

506
00:42:35,710 --> 00:42:41,170
siding on this proposed building if it stays in this configuration, have an updated

507
00:42:41,170 --> 00:42:47,870
siding and siding detail and trim detail so that it all matches the existing siding,

508
00:42:48,030 --> 00:42:55,090
the existing trim is all deteriorated. It has hardly ever been painted or stained or maintained

509
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:59,410
or cleaned. And I've lived in gypsum for 20 years and I don't know one last time I saw

510
00:42:59,410 --> 00:43:02,190
that building. I mean, that brick could use a power wash.

511
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:11,070
At the very least, if this new structure is going to match the existing, they could put a brick base

512
00:43:11,070 --> 00:43:15,450
around this new building to match the same height of the existing building.

513
00:43:21,810 --> 00:43:24,970
At least it would make the two buildings look more coherent right now.

514
00:43:25,050 --> 00:43:28,330
This building does not have any resemblance to the existing one.

515
00:43:28,590 --> 00:43:35,110
In its size and its roof form and its siding, all they're saying is it's going to match the same materials and same color,

516
00:43:35,390 --> 00:43:37,010
but that doesn't go far enough.

517
00:43:37,010 --> 00:43:43,030
And I don't know how they're going to match it, I mean, this looks like this doesn't look like a brick building.

518
00:43:44,010 --> 00:43:49,130
I'm still in favor of not repeating the siding that they have period.

519
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:57,150
I think we disagree on even adding the brick, because I would vote for do some reclaimed siding.

520
00:43:57,650 --> 00:44:03,710
Put your money there. Let's, I was thinking we definitely need more fenestration on this.

521
00:44:03,710 --> 00:44:07,890
They've got two windows on the one side of the building.

522
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:11,070
You've got the lockers, go up to six feet.

523
00:44:11,310 --> 00:44:12,650
You've got a very height of 10.

524
00:44:13,170 --> 00:44:15,830
I'm all in favor of adding more fenestration,

525
00:44:15,850 --> 00:44:17,750
kind of a clear story on the front wall.

526
00:44:18,510 --> 00:44:21,970
I also thought about changing the pitch on this entry,

527
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:26,790
framing, so that it is a shed roof.

528
00:44:27,110 --> 00:44:28,950
That's at a different pitch, guys.

529
00:44:29,070 --> 00:44:32,590
And it goes across the facade itself.

530
00:44:32,590 --> 00:44:37,670
so you just don't have this tiny little entry point.

531
00:44:38,090 --> 00:44:39,450
Is that better for snow, though?

532
00:44:39,870 --> 00:44:43,110
So instead of falling front and falls to the side,

533
00:44:43,530 --> 00:44:46,310
she was saying that this would be like a shed roof

534
00:44:46,310 --> 00:44:47,690
that would cover that sidewalks.

535
00:44:47,690 --> 00:44:49,750
Yeah, the whole sidewalk all the way across.

536
00:44:50,210 --> 00:44:53,190
With more columns, heavier timbers,

537
00:44:53,390 --> 00:44:55,350
right, let's up the scale of the columns.

538
00:44:56,110 --> 00:44:58,330
So there's six inch now, let's go up to minimum.

539
00:44:59,230 --> 00:44:59,750
Yeah, see you

540
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:09,580
If you're advocating for ignore the architecture of the current building, because that's not industrial ranch, build this one as industrial ranch.

541
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:09,980
Correct.

542
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:16,040
And hey, if you can, look at that other building and make an industrial ranching.

543
00:45:16,500 --> 00:45:25,540
Well, I think we should as a board in staff agree on one direction for comments.

544
00:45:25,540 --> 00:45:29,760
And I think there's two directions on the table right now.

545
00:45:29,820 --> 00:45:34,920
Melonies proposing make the new building but the proposed building

546
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:40,000
comply more with the town's guidelines as much as possible with better

547
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,440
siding and detailing and a possible revised roof.

548
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,680
And I'm in favor of all of those suggestions.

549
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:52,060
My suggestion is only to make the two buildings look as identical as possible

550
00:45:52,060 --> 00:45:59,220
with materials and colors. And if that means adding brick siding to the proposed building,

551
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:05,360
that's one way to do it. Another way to do it is if we don't want brick siding in the existing

552
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:10,420
building gets a renovation, pull the brick off the existing building. It doesn't

553
00:46:12,100 --> 00:46:18,760
all need to be there except for the vestibule that was rebuilt. That was actually, I think a brick wall

554
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:27,680
the storefront windows, so that brick might have to stay there. But I think some of the other brick might just be of a nearer.

555
00:46:34,910 --> 00:46:35,950
And they sent me wallet.

556
00:46:37,230 --> 00:46:38,870
Yeah, I think it's just a nearer.

557
00:46:38,910 --> 00:46:40,750
I don't know.

558
00:46:40,830 --> 00:46:41,950
It looks like it looked at it.

559
00:46:42,590 --> 00:46:43,430
Is that the rebuilt?

560
00:46:44,070 --> 00:46:45,750
Yeah, that's today's window.

561
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:50,880
So, I don't know.

562
00:46:51,060 --> 00:46:55,460
I'm of the opinion that we don't repeat bad architecture.

563
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,800
So it's kind of that slippery slope to me.

564
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,720
Well, I agree that's why I'm suggesting

565
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:02,200
reskin the existing building.

566
00:47:02,340 --> 00:47:03,440
Yeah, I love that idea.

567
00:47:03,620 --> 00:47:05,680
I think this is used summed it up perfectly.

568
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,660
I'm with you on that, I agree.

569
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:15,460
Then Christopher, I would summarize the notes of this topic

570
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:22,780
to possibly renovate the exterior of the existing building

571
00:47:22,780 --> 00:47:30,980
and make the new building in the existing building as cohesive in material and color as possible.

572
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,460
Can I add on to that and say make them one building?

573
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:38,900
I support that. Thanks.

574
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,520
All right. That was a comment you guys were making earlier.

575
00:47:42,060 --> 00:47:45,620
I just felt like it kind of tacked onto what you're saying here.

576
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,920
I was running with the assumption that that's not going to happen, but the problem around

577
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:56,120
the assumption none of this could happen. Sorry, I'm on to the assumption that we're trying

578
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:01,900
to torpedo this project so that we do that and with the tech working with the town, they

579
00:48:01,900 --> 00:48:09,380
do something different completely. Yes, I don't know. I doubt that we are able to do that,

580
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:16,180
but hopefully they see the light and like this will be a waste of money in three years,

581
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:21,180
this because this won't, this fully my opinion is a plan. This will be

582
00:48:21,180 --> 00:48:24,720
of what waste a money in three years because this will not meet the community needs

583
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:27,180
and they'll be stopped doing this again and trying to figure something else out.

584
00:48:27,860 --> 00:48:29,000
That totally agree.

585
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,440
You know where they get the money to do something that would meet the community means

586
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:42,320
beyond three to five years. I don't know. I don't know. We're for the post office.

587
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:43,000
So that's not my job.

588
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:49,240
This is just a question for just a quick. Put me in my place here.

589
00:48:50,260 --> 00:48:56,660
are we all comfortable with just a single leaf door going in and out of there? I mean how

590
00:48:56,660 --> 00:49:03,780
often I hold the door open for somebody almost every time I go to the post office. Same

591
00:49:03,780 --> 00:49:11,180
we're so nice. And I'm just wondering if a double leaf door would be better or might just

592
00:49:11,180 --> 00:49:16,260
I don't know that a double leaf door would be better but I could see a separate entrance and exit

593
00:49:16,260 --> 00:49:16,620
door,

594
00:49:20,380 --> 00:49:24,980
but then you're going to run into a situation where nobody knows. Yeah, nobody's going

595
00:49:24,980 --> 00:49:29,020
to pay attention to it. Hey, we're building community by holding the door for one another.

596
00:49:29,780 --> 00:49:33,420
Well, the side door is three foot six. I don't know if you notice that. It is a little wider and that

597
00:49:33,420 --> 00:49:39,340
would be for staff. My guess is coming in and out of that door with cards, right? Yeah.

598
00:49:40,380 --> 00:49:47,940
It's noted. It's noted as a staff. Entrance only. Oh, it is. Yeah. Why, hey, they're not going to need to

599
00:49:47,940 --> 00:49:51,300
that because they're just going to build one building for us, one big building.

600
00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:53,460
Yeah, I would agree.

601
00:49:54,700 --> 00:49:59,960
But now that the door is a good question, I've real-

602
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:05,900
When I look through these plans, this says to me, we are trying to ball on a budget.

603
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:31,330
To reinforce what Melanie said earlier about additional fenestration, I think more windows on the

604
00:50:31,330 --> 00:50:38,550
south elevation adjacent to the front door, the public front door would be very beneficial.

605
00:50:40,130 --> 00:50:44,730
Yeah, and if those areas, I do believe they're lying to PO boxes, but if they were to

606
00:50:44,730 --> 00:50:49,330
put you on, yeah, but if they were to have windows above the PO boxes, because you

607
00:50:49,330 --> 00:50:55,690
said the PO boxes go up six feet, but the, what was the very height is 10, bearing height

608
00:50:55,690 --> 00:51:01,650
is 10, so you have, there's a drop ceiling below the truss, does it show how big that

609
00:51:01,650 --> 00:51:07,730
drop ceiling is, but you could still get windows above the, because they have that.

610
00:51:07,730 --> 00:51:10,630
existing post office right uh... where they have

611
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:12,790
windows above the uh... the ceiling of the

612
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:14,050
right so

613
00:51:14,670 --> 00:51:17,250
the underside of the truss

614
00:51:17,250 --> 00:51:19,510
is ten

615
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:21,610
and they can run their mechanical

616
00:51:22,290 --> 00:51:23,850
through those trusses

617
00:51:23,850 --> 00:51:26,910
they're dropping a ceiling in the mechanical below the trusses

618
00:51:26,910 --> 00:51:29,050
but i'm saying is a recommendation

619
00:51:29,690 --> 00:51:33,470
i agree help with the window situation right because it's also a safety thing

620
00:51:33,470 --> 00:51:33,850
guys

621
00:51:33,850 --> 00:51:36,950
just natural daylight when you're cutting down these

622
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:47,230
Well, that does get into a daylight issue with occupancy use and square footage.

623
00:51:48,010 --> 00:51:54,230
Running the mechanical in the trust space gets challenging because of insulation issues,

624
00:51:55,170 --> 00:52:01,690
so whenever they can, they're going to run mechanical duct work below the insulation,

625
00:52:01,970 --> 00:52:04,970
so that it's fully enclosed in a conditioned space.

626
00:52:04,970 --> 00:52:18,170
But if we can get whatever mechanical way they do it, if we can get increased windows above their PO boxes, I think, we would be more satisfied when they have now.

627
00:52:18,290 --> 00:52:20,150
Yes, I agree with all that.

628
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:27,250
They can do an 18 inch window above the post office box banks that are six feet tall.

629
00:52:27,690 --> 00:52:34,090
They still have two feet between the ceiling and the top of the boxes and they can put an 18 inch window in there.

630
00:52:34,090 --> 00:52:37,290
still get adequate trim around it.

631
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:39,710
Can you go to the mechanical duct layout?

632
00:52:40,030 --> 00:52:41,170
Which page is that?

633
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:42,750
Sorry, that happens.

634
00:52:43,210 --> 00:52:44,830
BM1.0.

635
00:52:45,630 --> 00:52:51,030
My thoughts are you, none of these supplies are up against the wall, right?

636
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:58,370
So we have opportunity to carve back or window well, light well, a couple feet in, maybe

637
00:52:58,370 --> 00:53:00,790
beyond the lockers, do you know what I'm saying?

638
00:53:00,790 --> 00:53:04,570
because they're not dropping the supplies at the doors, which is like,

639
00:53:06,670 --> 00:53:06,990
you know,

640
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:11,000
it's nice

641
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,540
to try to make a bad design better,

642
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,780
but it's a bad design, do I add that in my hands?

643
00:53:21,940 --> 00:53:28,280
Here's what's going through my mind right now. I don't even feel safe going in here at night.

644
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:33,420
I mean, this building is an isolated building, it's not part of the main post office.

645
00:53:33,420 --> 00:53:37,420
No one can see in it, the police can't see in it.

646
00:53:38,140 --> 00:53:40,900
I don't know what kind of things could possibly happen.

647
00:53:41,140 --> 00:53:44,020
If we ever had any crime in that existing post office?

648
00:53:45,300 --> 00:53:47,560
Not to my knowledge, but I have not looked into that.

649
00:53:50,190 --> 00:53:54,750
Do you feel safe going in here at night back into the back of that

650
00:53:54,750 --> 00:53:56,210
and finding some stranger?

651
00:53:56,270 --> 00:53:57,710
How do you feel about this?

652
00:53:58,110 --> 00:54:01,350
I actually was looking at the exit and remoteness requirements.

653
00:54:01,510 --> 00:54:03,850
And of course, they're not above 50 occupants.

654
00:54:03,850 --> 00:54:08,070
So you don't need that second door, but yeah, I thought about it right out of the gate.

655
00:54:08,990 --> 00:54:13,450
You know, you walk into that last bay, 11 o'clock at night, because the door is always open, right?

656
00:54:13,810 --> 00:54:17,330
Yeah, there's only two lights back there, those backbased two.

657
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:22,870
It did cross my mind and I'm with you on that.

658
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:24,730
I don't even feel like it's safe.

659
00:54:27,460 --> 00:54:34,640
Does anyone seen any sort of security cameras noted in their electrical mechanical, any of that?

660
00:54:37,260 --> 00:54:38,240
I saw it.

661
00:54:38,340 --> 00:54:38,960
That's why I'm saying that.

662
00:54:39,900 --> 00:54:47,920
It's actually this is such a disservice to our community, all the way around guys, it's such

663
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:48,860
a disservice.

664
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:50,520
Absolutely.

665
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:56,880
In post offices, something that every resident in this community uses,

666
00:54:59,360 --> 00:54:59,640
I mean.

667
00:55:00,370 --> 00:55:13,770
It's something every resident uses and it's something more and more of our residents are using, as we have more and more retirees here. There are certain medications that will, to my knowledge, almost only ship through USPS.

668
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:18,320
Right. That's a good point.

669
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:31,620
Perhaps it could be a compelling point that even if they're trying to be, you know, conservative with their budget, that we're not necessarily imposing expensive materials or layouts that with what they're proposing, a redesign could just be more efficient.

670
00:55:32,340 --> 00:55:41,560
They wouldn't have to necessarily increase their resources to make this work, but they just, like James pointed out that, you know, making the best of a poor design, you know.

671
00:55:41,940 --> 00:55:49,560
I would advocate them to come to our community, especially in the months of December.

672
00:55:49,560 --> 00:56:06,200
Yes, somebody January. Yeah, but December January. Oh, December from the end of November after Thanksgiving through December to see the kind of traffic that goes through there for the holiday traffic and to see what the

673
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:11,440
Air employees are dealing with. Yeah, there's something else that

674
00:56:12,820 --> 00:56:16,640
should be somehow brought to their attention's architects,

675
00:56:19,180 --> 00:56:20,940
this is a

676
00:56:20,940 --> 00:56:27,500
community space. We have lines. The line right now we all know goes from the

677
00:56:27,500 --> 00:56:35,200
door in all the way back, sometimes all the way to that back set of

678
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:47,380
So there's 25 people standing in line, and you know why Eagles post offices better than gypsums?

679
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:55,180
Because the line there goes around a table, and we can all see each other, and we all know who's there.

680
00:56:55,180 --> 00:57:07,200
Hey, Mike. How's it going? It's a community space and this like totally turns us back on it because we have to go to the post office to get our mail.

681
00:57:07,820 --> 00:57:17,660
You know, if you live in other communities where they deliver mail to the post office, you don't have to go there. They should respect that this is a community space and they don't.

682
00:57:17,660 --> 00:57:23,360
It's, I see what you're saying, where the internal layout is not designed at an a

683
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:24,320
communal manner.

684
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,240
And they should take that to heart.

685
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:35,360
We see people there, we know, we talk to people there, we know.

686
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:40,500
Somebody ought to be serving coffee for crying out loud, but you don't have to put that in

687
00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:44,300
the notes, but it's just such a bad design.

688
00:57:44,300 --> 00:57:48,620
You can put hot dog roller in the notes and I got to go inside to get my mail

689
00:57:48,620 --> 00:57:52,940
Then I got to go back outside go back inside to get my package

690
00:57:52,940 --> 00:57:58,580
I mean, I got to go in I got to go out. I got to go back in get my baggage and then back out

691
00:57:58,580 --> 00:58:05,640
I mean how many times have all of us held the door or have the door held for us as we go in and out holding packages above our heads

692
00:58:06,100 --> 00:58:08,060
I'm short so maybe not some of you guys

693
00:58:08,060 --> 00:58:14,280
But packages above our heads as we're going to our cars and then rushing back in as other people are trying to shuffle in and out

694
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:15,780
that little atrium.

695
00:58:20,750 --> 00:58:24,170
Yeah, the existing facilities, the bad design, the new facility is not

696
00:58:26,250 --> 00:58:31,030
increasing the service in the way you need. Do we know, sorry, this is loud sometimes,

697
00:58:31,390 --> 00:58:36,550
do we know if it's the same architect that was designing the proposed new post office as this

698
00:58:36,550 --> 00:58:44,270
design or the different team? No, so I believe the story there is that the tower center team

699
00:58:44,270 --> 00:58:47,410
and created a design for the post office.

700
00:58:51,210 --> 00:58:52,450
And do we know if in that proposal,

701
00:58:52,450 --> 00:58:54,870
they followed our guidelines and...

702
00:58:54,870 --> 00:58:57,330
They, they, they, they, it wasn't in the market district.

703
00:58:57,390 --> 00:58:58,970
Right, yeah, straight zoning in the building.

704
00:58:59,010 --> 00:59:01,750
New Iowa is Pewdie, or Tara Center Pewdie.

705
00:59:02,070 --> 00:59:05,430
So they went with what they wanted to see in the Tara Center,

706
00:59:06,070 --> 00:59:07,890
because that's, you know, more privately managed.

707
00:59:11,820 --> 00:59:12,900
And it looked nice for the record.

708
00:59:13,140 --> 00:59:16,160
I thought they're, the Tara Center's design, that's cool.

709
00:59:20,500 --> 00:59:22,200
So one of the other things I wanted to bring up

710
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:28,220
if you look at their proposed plan, they're removing a tremendous amount of existing boxes.

711
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,720
So what is the delta? What are we really gaining?

712
00:59:31,780 --> 00:59:33,120
Right. That's a good question.

713
00:59:38,300 --> 00:59:38,820
What are we gaining?

714
00:59:39,140 --> 00:59:39,620
What are we gaining?

715
00:59:39,620 --> 00:59:40,100
Hey, come in.

716
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:42,240
Exactly. If you're going to do it.

717
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,420
That's part of this statistics. We still want to know.

718
00:59:47,820 --> 00:59:51,340
You know, there's another thought here. I'm just going to...

719
00:59:51,340 --> 00:59:55,080
I'm just talking out loud because we're just to design review board.

720
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,320
We're at the lowest ranks here in town, right?

721
00:59:58,360 --> 00:59:59,640
You're still above staff.

722
00:59:59,940 --> 00:59:59,960
If...

723
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:11,120
They tore that entire building down and moved it back with there's more room to the south,

724
01:00:11,460 --> 01:00:13,720
because you, there's room to move it north, right?

725
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,740
Uh, potentially I haven't looked into their site plan to see if there are easements there.

726
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:26,260
You could build a building that opens up to the south that has enough

727
01:00:26,260 --> 01:00:31,100
So people can see in, people can see out a much safer condition.

728
01:00:32,780 --> 01:00:38,680
And still have a post office where people can line up and go to a counter and get their stuff.

729
01:00:38,980 --> 01:00:42,260
We've all been to way more beautiful post offices than this.

730
01:00:42,900 --> 01:00:44,320
And this is like a hover.

731
01:00:44,980 --> 01:00:47,740
Well, I don't know if this building is not I agree.

732
01:00:48,100 --> 01:00:50,600
I don't know if this building is designed as a post office.

733
01:00:52,380 --> 01:01:07,540
That being said, would you say that your recommendation is, work with if no other site can be acquired or this site cannot be expanded, work with the town to properly expand this building.

734
01:01:08,420 --> 01:01:13,880
Because I'll go, I'll go tear this building down myself if someone else has built it. I can't build things. I can tear them down.

735
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,000
I'm sure volunteers would lower their cost.

736
01:01:19,970 --> 01:01:22,970
Yeah, no, there's a solid 10 feet on the North, right?

737
01:01:23,390 --> 01:01:29,470
Regarding the demo plan, I'm unclear as to what the extent of the demo is and what the

738
01:01:29,470 --> 01:01:33,630
extent of the renovation in the existing buildings going to be.

739
01:01:34,070 --> 01:01:38,470
I'm not looking for explanation right now, but I just want to make a comment that the plans

740
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:42,570
are not 100, not very clear.

741
01:01:42,570 --> 01:01:50,340
It looks like it's a composite of a reflected ceiling lighting plan and a demo plan of

742
01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:54,050
existing PO boxes

743
01:02:00,260 --> 01:02:09,370
Yeah, that I agree. I'm not sure about it does seem where they are building the new building. There is not much

744
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,400
There's anything there, but

745
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,040
They're Delta

746
01:02:24,730 --> 01:02:31,690
do you know which PDF page of this? Sorry.

747
01:02:31,990 --> 01:02:35,610
Nice scene. Thanks. I will way off.

748
01:02:43,940 --> 01:02:44,660
No, I think so.

749
01:02:45,380 --> 01:02:47,280
8, 8 on mine.

750
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:49,740
Nice 19, 38.

751
01:02:50,700 --> 01:02:52,600
I'll look at just the documents.

752
01:02:53,540 --> 01:02:53,820
Okay.

753
01:02:54,500 --> 01:02:56,900
I see what you're looking at here.

754
01:02:58,690 --> 01:03:01,030
eight, seven, and you'll be able to change.

755
01:03:01,790 --> 01:03:02,750
Oh, seven, sorry.

756
01:03:03,550 --> 01:03:07,170
One, demo, one, eight, two, four, one, double,

757
01:03:07,310 --> 01:03:07,810
or should plan?

758
01:03:08,930 --> 01:03:09,270
All right.

759
01:03:09,390 --> 01:03:11,670
Is it a confusing one, two,

760
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:15,880
eight?

761
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:17,660
Wait, so this is the new building.

762
01:03:18,060 --> 01:03:21,480
Well, and it doesn't show how they can re-model that area.

763
01:03:21,780 --> 01:03:22,160
Exactly.

764
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:26,880
It shows some sense of demo, but we don't get a plan of what

765
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:31,180
it's going to be replaced with, right?

766
01:03:32,620 --> 01:03:40,720
on live for the existing and look at a 3.0 like a little. Is that the next page?

767
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,660
There's the reflected ceiling plan there.

768
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:47,940
It shows those walls.

769
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:52,860
Yeah, but that's a long one.

770
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:53,160
We

771
01:03:55,470 --> 01:03:57,930
don't know what they're going to do with that.

772
01:04:12,730 --> 01:04:13,610
One other item.

773
01:04:15,150 --> 01:04:20,530
If you look at A2.1, they're calling for an ADA paddle for a door operator

774
01:04:20,530 --> 01:04:23,350
and it's on the hinge side of the door.

775
01:04:24,010 --> 01:04:25,930
They might want to study the ADA code.

776
01:04:27,370 --> 01:04:29,870
So you send the federal government to study the federal

777
01:04:29,870 --> 01:04:30,610
government's rules?

778
01:04:31,310 --> 01:04:34,590
Well, it's actually, yes, it's a federal mandate.

779
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,660
Anyway, the operator's on the wrong side.

780
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,060
Wait, so that would lead them the person pushing

781
01:04:47,060 --> 01:04:48,100
across by the door?

782
01:04:48,260 --> 01:04:50,040
That's right, you hit the door operator

783
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:51,860
and the door swings into you.

784
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:53,360
That's not good,

785
01:04:55,930 --> 01:04:56,070
right?

786
01:04:58,650 --> 01:04:59,970
And then you can hit by the column because...

787
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,620
Can't move out of the way of the door swing, so.

788
01:05:04,460 --> 01:05:04,860
821,

789
01:05:07,990 --> 01:05:09,430
note number nine.

790
01:05:17,370 --> 01:05:18,970
I made note of that specifically.

791
01:05:19,690 --> 01:05:21,010
Thank you.

792
01:05:23,700 --> 01:05:23,820
Thank

793
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,700
you.

794
01:05:29,700 --> 01:05:29,840
Yeah.

795
01:05:30,220 --> 01:05:32,480
Next to you.

796
01:05:34,980 --> 01:05:38,120
Fence height. Does that meet code?

797
01:05:38,460 --> 01:05:39,220
Design standards?

798
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,160
Well, it's not clear to me where that fence is going.

799
01:05:41,160 --> 01:06:08,580
I do think that is going around the mechanical equipment that the fence height, I believe meets the guidelines, the material does not, but I don't know where that fence is going, so beyond that I can't comment because if it's going on the property line that would be things to a certain extent in the back and the sides, but not the front because the front is supposed to be only three and a half foot fence.

800
01:06:08,580 --> 01:06:15,720
But if you look at A6.0, and you just go by I, we know the ceiling is that A8 feet,

801
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,980
look at the height of that fence. The way they're showing it.

802
01:06:19,540 --> 01:06:19,940
Yeah,

803
01:06:25,170 --> 01:06:25,730
sure, sure, sure.

804
01:06:31,630 --> 01:06:35,650
Give me a guy to go back to 3a, 1.0, see if that's huge.

805
01:06:43,380 --> 01:06:44,320
Do you want a motion?

806
01:06:48,180 --> 01:06:54,960
I think sure. Yeah, a motion to take all, I think the appropriate motion is to take all of the

807
01:06:54,960 --> 01:07:00,220
that's given by the GRB and for Christopher to integrate those into a letter.

808
01:07:01,300 --> 01:07:03,100
Is that something we want to summarize?

809
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:04,540
I was thinking of it.

810
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:05,740
No, boy.

811
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,540
I mean, you are the appointed body.

812
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,080
I would make

813
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:33,620
a motion that we reject the post offices proposed plans, plans to add

814
01:07:33,620 --> 01:07:47,660
a second building to the postal site that the design does not meet our design guidelines, it

815
01:07:47,660 --> 01:07:48,860
represents poor planning.

816
01:07:49,140 --> 01:07:56,800
The site is in adequate, it will not serve the town for a reasonable future.

817
01:07:56,800 --> 01:08:05,980
nor does it give us the kind of institutional building that a post office can represent?

818
01:08:06,380 --> 01:08:11,140
I might add that I'm not sure if this were to appear tomorrow.

819
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,780
I'm not sure it meet the towns needs today.

820
01:08:14,780 --> 01:08:19,460
So that would be my motion to this board.

821
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:25,000
That's up to you guys.

822
01:08:26,990 --> 01:08:35,290
to clarify and simplify James's suggestion, the proposed, we would,

823
01:08:37,370 --> 01:08:38,530
I don't reject.

824
01:08:40,170 --> 01:08:41,630
It's so strong.

825
01:08:42,150 --> 01:08:53,190
So are you proposing that the motion be, we reject their proposal, we have provided these

826
01:08:53,190 --> 01:09:01,090
comments as to why we are rejecting their proposal and recommend that they work with staff

827
01:09:01,090 --> 01:09:11,230
to come up with a better solution, be that facility at a different location, a complete

828
01:09:11,230 --> 01:09:18,750
redesign of this facility, it's sort of expansion, who knows, but something that would not

829
01:09:18,750 --> 01:09:23,150
only need the architectural guidelines, but meet the communities needs for a post office.

830
01:09:24,350 --> 01:09:29,390
And then come back to the design review board and then come back to the design review board.

831
01:09:29,570 --> 01:09:38,130
Because I'm a one common for just as a thought for consideration, if a new completely

832
01:09:38,130 --> 01:09:45,750
completely new building structure and facility were to be erected, constructed, it would

833
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:52,550
have to be done in a way that the existing facility stays functional until the new facility

834
01:09:54,090 --> 01:09:59,910
would be completed because the post office is not like a resident where someone could move.

835
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:11,860
Come back in six months. No, it's more like a highway where you need a bypass lane, you go down one lane each way and then you open up the other one and then you switch back and forth and yada.

836
01:10:12,660 --> 01:10:23,380
It's just, it's just a thought for consideration. What is the reality that the post office is going to find a new property to lease and build a brand new facility?

837
01:10:24,180 --> 01:10:35,840
I don't know, but I would expect it's that probability is very low, so they're going to have to either improve and have to improve and expand upon what we have.

838
01:10:36,260 --> 01:10:45,220
And I think the way they're looking at it is they want to probably do spend as little as possible and do as little disruption as possible while the new facility is being built.

839
01:10:45,460 --> 01:10:47,540
And I think they want to do it as quickly as possible.

840
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:48,920
And as quickly as possible.

841
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,640
Now, that's just pure speculation,

842
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:53,260
but that doesn't need to go into a motion.

843
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:55,100
No, I agree with you.

844
01:10:55,100 --> 01:10:57,360
I do think that there is a way, if you're

845
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:00,040
to completely redo this site.

846
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:04,220
I think there's a way to build on to where the current building

847
01:11:04,220 --> 01:11:07,420
isn't, get that part functioning enough,

848
01:11:07,940 --> 01:11:11,200
and then build on your second part where the current building is.

849
01:11:11,660 --> 01:11:13,720
I do think that there's a logistical way to do that,

850
01:11:13,780 --> 01:11:17,400
but it would take some planning, designing operations,

851
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:24,860
It's a flexibility, there would be, not the greatest, you know, service during that time period,

852
01:11:25,140 --> 01:11:29,240
but there would also be much better service once both the house were built,

853
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:33,180
and I would

854
01:11:33,180 --> 01:11:38,640
like to think that that would be something that the community would, you know, pick up a shot

855
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:45,420
of, you know, some tough love that the community would be like all four to get a better post office.

856
01:12:03,190 --> 01:12:12,910
And the town does own the property, the park, that is kind of behind-ish to the post office.

857
01:12:13,790 --> 01:12:19,050
So there are ways to partner, there are ways to get things done.

858
01:12:19,770 --> 01:12:22,890
What is that land behind, west of the post office?

859
01:12:23,570 --> 01:12:26,770
So immediately west of the post office, that is privately owned.

860
01:12:27,070 --> 01:12:31,890
It's a little sliver where that creek is to the north and then that goes into that open field.

861
01:12:32,230 --> 01:12:33,330
That is, it's just a park.

862
01:12:34,010 --> 01:12:38,690
Has the town proposed a site, a replacement site to the post office?

863
01:12:38,930 --> 01:12:43,210
Yeah, the proposed replacement site was, you know, the tower center, that construction,

864
01:12:43,450 --> 01:12:45,410
and that's going right on the road on Highway 6.

865
01:12:45,410 --> 01:12:51,230
So on the corner of where Jewel's drive,

866
01:12:51,230 --> 01:12:56,690
not Jewel's drive, sorry, sunny Avenue used to be

867
01:12:56,690 --> 01:13:02,230
and that going into the apartments right on the eastern side

868
01:13:02,230 --> 01:13:04,210
of that is where that post office would have

869
01:13:10,860 --> 01:13:11,140
gone.

870
01:13:11,380 --> 01:13:12,680
They said they had another money.

871
01:13:13,940 --> 01:13:15,860
And they know that this site's been offered.

872
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:18,260
Oh, yeah, they,

873
01:13:20,340 --> 01:13:21,860
the story, as I remember,

874
01:13:21,860 --> 01:13:25,960
is they were working with the tower center team to the

875
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:27,860
tower center team designed the building,

876
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:31,580
offer them the property, the phase one final plot went through,

877
01:13:31,700 --> 01:13:34,100
the property got made into its own things.

878
01:13:34,220 --> 01:13:38,080
You could build on it and the tower center team

879
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,780
sent them the lease and then they heard crickets.

880
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:42,460
That's my understanding.

881
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:56,480
Trying to formulate a concise motion.

882
01:13:57,540 --> 01:14:01,940
We're looking at rejecting this proposal on the grounds of the

883
01:14:01,940 --> 01:14:05,140
design does not meet the ton of gypsum design guidelines.

884
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:10,740
For the comments delivered, we refer to Christopher's comments.

885
01:14:12,060 --> 01:14:21,540
The design does not function properly and has major flaws in the intended function.

886
01:14:22,060 --> 01:14:30,820
And we recommend that the U.S. Postal Service confer with town of gypsum staff to discuss

887
01:14:30,820 --> 01:14:37,540
the town's current in future needs any sort of alternative option yeah the only thing I'd

888
01:14:37,540 --> 01:14:42,320
like to add in there is let's make sure we know that there are you know life safety

889
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:49,380
issues in terms of the site yeah you know pedestrian and that path to travel so let's

890
01:14:49,380 --> 01:14:55,380
make sure we get in flag life safety issues yeah that it yeah Christopher make sure

891
01:14:55,380 --> 01:14:57,780
really put an emphasis on those.

892
01:14:59,000 --> 01:14:59,100
Yeah.

893
01:15:00,660 --> 01:15:14,580
So we're looking at design function would include life-safety traffic as well as pedestrian or user use of facility.

894
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:29,120
Internal safety as well. Internal safety, internal safety, traffic, internal and external safety, traffic, and overall functional functionality and use.

895
01:15:32,830 --> 01:15:34,690
And the U.S.,

896
01:15:36,990 --> 01:15:41,590
the powers that be for the U.S. P.S., which don't work here,

897
01:15:43,730 --> 01:15:46,110
they are aware that most

898
01:15:46,110 --> 01:15:50,230
people do not have mailboxes, if there's no delivery of our mail.

899
01:15:51,650 --> 01:15:53,150
I would like to think they do.

900
01:15:57,580 --> 01:15:59,140
Christopher will make sure they know.

901
01:15:59,340 --> 01:16:00,400
Christopher, make sure they know.

902
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:01,040
I mean,

903
01:16:15,140 --> 01:16:15,540
what is that?

904
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:17,480
Don't want to say the sentiment of this.

905
01:16:17,900 --> 01:16:22,500
Everybody, go online and send a note to the President of the United States saying,

906
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:31,020
hey, this is, there's some bad stuff coming out of the, um, what branches he, he's the,

907
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:33,040
uh, post-poucher now.

908
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:39,100
No, no, but the post-poucher falls under, I mean, it's technically falls under the executive

909
01:16:39,100 --> 01:16:39,200
right.

910
01:16:39,220 --> 01:16:40,700
It does fall under the executive.

911
01:16:40,700 --> 01:16:43,760
Well, that's what I read, which is why I wrote it.

912
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:50,380
Well, and I've seen Trump's plane at the airport, so it's not a very far walk once

913
01:16:50,380 --> 01:16:50,860
he lands.

914
01:16:51,220 --> 01:16:55,760
Yeah, the other thing to note is be sure to write your Congress people and senators.

915
01:16:57,220 --> 01:16:57,420
Okay.

916
01:16:59,410 --> 01:16:59,890
Okay.

917
01:17:00,190 --> 01:17:10,400
I make a motion to reject the proposal as presented under the following reasons.

918
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:19,400
One, the design does not meet town of gypsum's design guidelines for overall massing

919
01:17:19,980 --> 01:17:22,360
form materials in color.

920
01:17:23,940 --> 01:17:32,920
Two, the building does not function in regards to life safety, both internal and external.

921
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:42,140
There are conflicts with pedestrian traffic and vehicular traffic, and there are serious

922
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:52,400
shortcomings in the function of the building regarding use as a post office by patrons.

923
01:17:53,880 --> 01:18:02,440
And we number three, the design review ward, requests that the applicant refer to the

924
01:18:02,440 --> 01:18:07,980
of gypsum staff to discuss the town's current in future needs.

925
01:18:08,940 --> 01:18:11,940
The existing post office does not meet our current needs,

926
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,960
and we feel that the proposed addition

927
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:20,900
will still not meet our current needs.

928
01:18:23,980 --> 01:18:24,320
Second,

929
01:18:27,220 --> 01:18:28,000
all those in favor?

930
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:30,140
Aye. Aye.

931
01:18:31,460 --> 01:18:32,180
Any opposed?

932
01:18:34,770 --> 01:18:35,590
The motion carries.

933
01:18:35,590 --> 01:18:36,610
Hey,

934
01:18:39,010 --> 01:18:41,130
thanks for not shooting the mess in here.

935
01:18:52,570 --> 01:18:55,430
James, are there any other items on the agenda?

936
01:18:57,050 --> 01:19:03,270
No, no, right now I need to go, I need to have a home I have a meeting for the wedding

937
01:19:03,270 --> 01:19:05,570
right after this meeting with the bartender.

938
01:19:06,230 --> 01:19:14,950
But brief updates, trying to finish up the market district and airport gateway, designed

939
01:19:14,950 --> 01:19:21,190
review board update for this year, and hopefully I won't need to update it next year.

940
01:19:22,450 --> 01:19:27,230
But trying to get that finished off with Christopher, and getting out in front of you guys

941
01:19:27,230 --> 01:19:31,990
and then planning commission, I might do, I might figure out the most efficient way to do

942
01:19:31,990 --> 01:19:35,370
that and just have you guys give me online comments again and then just bring it before

943
01:19:35,370 --> 01:19:39,750
the planning commission at the next meeting just so I can get that done and feel like I did

944
01:19:39,750 --> 01:19:41,490
something awesome.

945
01:19:42,190 --> 01:19:43,530
So, Christopher, do you have anything?

946
01:19:44,350 --> 01:19:45,490
I did not.

947
01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:46,490
All right.

948
01:19:46,690 --> 01:19:47,230
Chopin, Jesse?

949
01:19:48,730 --> 01:19:48,830
Okay.

950
01:19:50,630 --> 01:19:51,010
Thank you.

951
01:19:51,250 --> 01:19:52,470
Move to adjourn?

952
01:19:52,590 --> 01:19:53,030
Yes, please.

953
01:19:54,370 --> 01:19:55,530
I make a motion to adjourn.

954
01:19:58,860 --> 01:19:59,660
I'll second then.

955
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:07,880
I wasn't favour, and he was meeting as adjourned at 529 p.m.