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[0:17] I call to order the designer review board hearing for the town of gypsum on September 2, 2021 at 409 p.m.
[0:34] meeting minutes of approval. Does anyone have any comments?
[0:42] If there are no comments to have a motion to approve,
[0:50] all in favor.
[0:52] Hi.
[0:57] I.
[0:58] Epstein.
[1:01] I.
[1:03] Meeting minutes are approved as written.
[1:14] Next on the agenda.
[1:28] Is the post office expansion project located at 100.
[1:32] Oak Ridge Court.
[1:34] James Woolbridge will present.
[1:37] Okay, so brief overview.
[1:39] Don't shoot the messenger.
[1:40] The post office right now is looking on ads.
[1:44] expanding at their existing facility rather than building a new facility, this is due to just a bunch of constraints.
[1:51] So, in the packet, Jeremy wrote a letter to the Post Office, it sent to the Ville Daily, it sent it to, you know,
[2:00] parties involved that should see it basically saying, like, hey, we don't think this is going to work.
[2:05] We need to find an alternate option, the town is going to partner.
[2:07] Well, then they take us up on that offer, but planning, community development,
[2:12] agrees expanding on the existing post office would not serve the communities needs.
[2:18] It's not going to be big enough.
[2:19] It's not going to fit parking.
[2:20] It's not going to fit ADA all that kind of stuff.
[2:24] What we are here to do today is provide them feedback on their designs.
[2:31] We have a 30 day period to collect community input feedback on the design and then submit
[2:38] that to their post office architect, because of various laws
[2:44] in the constitution, which basically says that state can't regulate
[2:48] the Fed, but the way around the kind of thing.
[2:52] They don't have to comply with any of our recommendations.
[2:55] It does not appear that they need to submit
[2:58] for a sign of your board permit or a building permit
[3:00] through the town.
[3:03] Now, don't know what that is going to look like moving forward,
[3:07] but we are going to take advantage of the opportunity to provide them comments.
[3:11] So with that, let's provide as many comments as we can.
[3:15] Christopher is going to be taking notes.
[3:16] I'm going to be out Thursday, Friday, and Tuesday, I'm getting married on Saturday.
[3:23] So I'll be out with the family.
[3:24] Thank you.
[3:28] But Christopher will be preparing that letter and he and Lana will be sending that back
[3:33] to the post office architects so that they have that feedback.
[3:37] with that, thank you for not shooting the messenger.
[3:39] I don't know what the best way to go about this is.
[3:41] You just go page by page and then, yeah, page by page.
[3:45] All right, let's just go page by page.
[3:46] Let's try to whip this out.
[3:49] And all right, so front page, there really isn't much to go here.
[3:54] I want to make a couple of comments.
[3:55] I do want to make a couple of comments.
[3:57] I don't agree with their document load at all.
[4:01] I think they've got occupants figured here.
[4:05] If you take the 3500 and the 1200 square feet, 150 square feet per occupant, you end up with 31.
[4:13] That unfortunately puts you in to a category in the plumbing code where you have to provide public restrooms.
[4:19] So, for the record.
[4:22] Do you know how building code works with the Fed?
[4:28] I don't.
[4:30] All I can tell you is the IBC, which is what their referencing is applicable codes.
[4:35] States, hundreds of 50 square feet per person, gross occupancy.
[4:41] You add the two occupancies, you come up with 31.
[4:44] Okay.
[4:44] Got that?
[4:46] All right.
[4:47] Again, IPC International Plumbing Code, if you look at that code, under 50, or above 25, you have
[4:56] to provide one toilet room per sex.
[5:00] That puts them into two public rooms, toilet rooms. They're not providing any toilet rooms as part of this. Packet that I can see, they've got two existing in the existing building, but it doesn't look like they're accessible to the general public, for what it's worth. Also, plumbing code requires you've got two drinking fountains, a high in a low. Again, just for reference when we're talking about the codes that are applicable that they reference here.
[5:26] So the codes that they say that they are following.
[5:28] Correct.
[5:30] Correct.
[5:31] The other common I want to make is when you're talking about class of construction, I believe
[5:38] they've referenced to be.
[5:41] This is a wood building to be, it doesn't allow any combustible construction just to
[5:46] side note.
[5:51] All right.
[5:51] What class should they be using?
[5:54] That is up to them, but they're in combustible construction.
[5:58] So it should be aligned with the code got it
[6:13] and maybe what I can say is we can talk about that offline maybe later
[6:19] Okay, so that's all I had on the cover page
[6:21] I don't think anybody had anything else.
[6:26] Oh good
[6:28] All right, page 2.
[6:36] We've got no setbacks here, right? I don't believe so
[6:41] I think we have zero setback in the market district
[6:49] Do they have a dumpster on site right now? I believe they do I don't
[6:55] No, if this plan shows up.
[6:58] I don't think they do.
[6:59] I drove by there this morning.
[7:01] I've got photographs.
[7:02] They've got all kinds of refuse bins
[7:04] about six or eight of them along the back side.
[7:07] I did not see any dumpster.
[7:09] Okay.
[7:09] So, you know.
[7:24] Yeah, I'm on page three.
[7:25] Everybody,
[7:30] you see here.
[7:33] I don't see anything for even refuse bins.
[7:35] Am I missing something?
[7:39] No, I didn't see it either.
[7:40] Okay.
[7:46] So Chris Ripley, trash, refuse, dumpster, and closure.
[7:59] Not sure, but are they required to provide bike racks at all?
[8:02] We don't have that in the code.
[8:04] It is something I am advocating for.
[8:07] But that is a part of the code that we are not going to get through for a while.
[8:12] And do you think it's a good idea, especially in the market district?
[8:16] Just had a curiosity on the side, but why are they going for a separate structure as opposed
[8:23] to attaching it?
[8:26] I'm going to assume cost, but I don't know.
[8:30] I just got the plans and not a whole lot else.
[8:34] I would assume cost.
[8:38] There is, I believe, a walkway between the two.
[8:44] I did not see it covered.
[8:46] I was looking for that and it's on my radar to provide a covered walkway for sure.
[8:52] I'm not seeing it either, but I thought I was told in a meeting that they were going to do that.
[9:02] And maybe not. Maybe Atlanta and I were misunderstanding the plans.
[9:09] Yeah, it's not on the plan.
[9:11] Okay, and I don't know if you guys see it, but I don't.
[9:14] One of the other things I wanted to comment on are the parking spaces right there.
[9:19] With the ADA ramp to the new building, they don't have, in my opinion, they don't have
[9:25] the proper backup space turning space, and that's right in the pedestrian access point to
[9:31] that building.
[9:33] Because this area right here where my cursor is, that's a ramp.
[9:37] correct car is going to car is going to straight up back right into this correct okay
[9:44] vehicular circulation is inadequate and not playing that well
[9:48] I would add the I agree and vehicular circulation at the existing post offices
[9:56] poor already so reducing the number of parking space
[10:00] This is going to make that even poorer. Agreed. A question I have for anyone here. Does anyone know if a post office has
[10:09] different parking requirements than any other commercial use building? I don't. I was going to ask
[10:19] what is the parking requirements per the towns ordinances?
[10:30] I think that that's going to depend on whether
[10:31] we classified it as office or retail,
[10:38] it would also potentially be impertinent if the federal
[10:41] government doesn't have to obey our rules.
[10:44] Yeah, I think the question is more, if it weren't to obey our rules, what would we,
[10:49] what would we do with that?
[10:51] Right, I think the point is, is that how many spaces do they are they providing?
[10:57] They're reducing spaces.
[10:59] But so the point should be that they will be under part by X number of parking spaces.
[11:07] And for the record in the letter that Jeremy sent them, he pointed out that they are already
[11:14] under-providing.
[11:15] I don't know if you guys have been there wearing people or parking not in a parking spot,
[11:19] like on the side by those bushes.
[11:21] Yeah, I would assume, yeah, I would assume everyone in here has had to park by the bushes
[11:27] And it's only a matter of time before people are parking in the street and that's creating impacts with our EMS.
[11:33] There are times during the week as well as on Saturday mornings when it's open when people are parking on Oak Ridge Court and parking in the new parking spaces adjacent to the church to be able to go into the post office because there's not adequate parking on site.
[11:47] I mean, I'm fine with people parking the official off-street parking that is what it's for, it is out of the way it is safe and not in peening traffic or the road.
[11:58] I think at some point, and especially this winter, the town has added residents, it's getting bigger,
[12:06] it's going to be an issue.
[12:09] And it's an issue every December, every January. You guys have all been here.
[12:13] I don't know how relevant this is to this meeting, but Dale has told me that the town
[12:22] of Eagle has run out of space for post office boxes, and the town of gypsum is now providing
[12:29] post office boxes for residents of the town of Eagle.
[12:34] Wow, that's a reverse of what it was like, three, four years ago, I'd hear about the opposite
[12:39] happening.
[12:40] So not only are we having more traffic as gypsum continues to grow, we're having more traffic
[12:46] because people in Eagle now have to come to gypsum to get their mail.
[12:51] No, didn't.
[12:52] Okay.
[12:54] What's our required parking space size?
[12:59] Uh, it's big in gypsum.
[13:00] 10 by 10.
[13:01] 10 by 20.
[13:03] And then you have a certain amount that you can have as compact, which I think are
[13:08] eight or nine by 18 18 18 thank you. These spaces are noted at 18 by nine so they don't
[13:17] meet our ordinances then. Correct 18 by nine is typical for residential parking and it's also
[13:27] typical in other on street parking that I've seen for other towns the town of gypsum's 10 by 20.
[13:34] Yeah, I think it's going to come from me not being here when those codes were put together.
[13:42] But I do think it's because of chips and more rural, aggro and agricultural nature and more workforce.
[13:50] A lot more pickup trucks, a lot more handy blue collar type workers.
[13:57] I'm not saying that's right or wrong.
[13:58] I'm just saying I think that's why the council went for that route.
[14:02] So, understood, and the existing parking spaces at the post office are not 10 by whatever,
[14:10] there are some of them are barely nine, some of them are smaller than a typical mine
[14:15] foot-wide space.
[14:18] Yeah, I've definitely seen some cars over hanging who didn't do a bad job parking.
[14:24] The other point I want to make is when I drove by the this morning, they were four
[14:27] employee or staff, of course. So if you had the staff under the public, use, you've got,
[14:34] you just took away four. And then there's an abandoned vehicle there. It looks abandoned.
[14:38] It's been there quite a while. I don't know, window open. So that's five parking spaces
[14:44] allocated to just staff. And I don't know if they're going to be hiring more with the expansion.
[14:52] So. That's a good, that is a good question. I don't know if they'll be hiring
[14:57] or with the expansion either.
[15:00] I know they're very busy back there. They have a perpetual now hiring sign in their window, so it's always an opportunity for more staff.
[15:11] I wonder if they want to add stuff or maintain a certain number.
[15:25] I mean, certainly having an adequate facility to work in to meet the needs of your job.
[15:33] Doesn't hinder employee retention.
[15:35] the
[15:42] last norther most parking space next building doesn't work at all. You can't get it in
[15:48] that either. No, that's not. Maybe if you have a motorcycle,
[15:56] we're like one of those little
[15:59] fiat's. Is anyone driving those in gypsum?
[16:02] The other point is we've seen a vehicle go through the existing building and I would say they're
[16:07] going to have to add more violence here or do something. Right? Yeah. Because that is a problem.
[16:13] I was looking at their curb design, thought maybe, you know, non-monnable curb, something sort of
[16:21] design to stop vehicles from popping over that curb, right? That's a design, a civil engineering
[16:28] design, standard that you can incorporate.
[16:34] Since we're compiling a list of comments, questions requests, I would add a vehicular turnaround
[16:45] study showing the viability of those parking spaces closer to the proposed new structure.
[16:54] Okay.
[16:57] They might be able to make that work if they instead went with their lines directly
[17:06] east-west rather than at an angle.
[17:15] Yeah, it's not going to lose the spot, but it might
[17:17] be somewhat safer. Maybe
[17:27] we're going to get to it, but I'm not thrilled at all about how
[17:31] they're handling the mechanical on this. Yeah, so we're on page three right now, do we want
[17:38] to move it? But I see it on page three, they get a little mechanical, closed, attach screen
[17:46] area on that corner of the building. That's the reason why I'm bringing it up is because
[17:49] It's located on the site plan.
[17:51] Yeah,
[17:56] all right, let's go to page four.
[18:06] Anything here?
[18:30] Just grading and erosion.
[18:32] We don't have landscape requirements for them, do we?
[18:34] I mean, the landscape, the landscape,
[18:37] yeah, and the landscape requirements in our
[18:39] architecture are pretty minimal.
[18:41] I mean, we want, like obviously things look nice
[18:44] and you look considerate, but we're not trying
[18:46] to not ever get away.
[18:48] It's meant to be more walkable.
[18:51] that a lot of your greenery is going to come from parks.
[19:10] They reference in the top right hand corner.
[19:14] They reference latest version of the UPS building design standards.
[19:21] Is that something that we think we should look at just to be familiar with?
[19:28] I mean we got to get these comments to them now.
[19:33] That way that they would have been some good homework to do.
[19:38] Um, I want to point out, uh, page five conflicts with their other site plans with their
[19:44] parking.
[19:45] You guys are looking at what I'm looking at, so it is hard to know what they are actually
[19:50] proposing on doing.
[19:54] Yeah, I saw that too, and then they've got that Chainlink Vensity tail.
[19:57] That's a big no.
[19:59] Where, where's that?
[20:00] Bottom corner of the page.
[20:02] Bottom?
[20:05] Oh, where are they putting, is that for the mechanical?
[20:08] I would be my guess.
[20:10] Permit or, uh, perimeter, or, fine, sign.
[20:13] Let's see.
[20:17] That's going to look wobbly.
[20:21] Can I see that, um,
[20:25] let me see here.
[20:28] View cage, new cage around HFAC unit.
[20:32] Yeah, okay.
[20:34] I think that is what is, quote, unquote, screening HFAC unit.
[20:40] and it could be incorrect about that.
[20:43] We're about infancy, three A and one.
[20:56] They're worried about the bearers.
[21:01] Well, they're gonna have a lot of heat coming out of that doctor.
[21:03] They might go see up to it, huh?
[21:06] Yes, it's gonna be the records.
[21:11] All right, anything else in this page?
[21:17] You got the downed that their site plans are conflicting.
[21:20] Thanks.
[21:21] Just to reinforce what Melanie said,
[21:25] no to chain length fencing to, yeah.
[21:28] not acceptable for screening mechanical equipment.
[21:34] On these architectural ones, and less functional ones,
[21:37] do something like C-Market District Guidelines.
[21:41] Industrial Ranch. Perfect.
[21:43] You know.
[21:52] One other comment I want to make,
[21:54] just to discuss any standards,
[21:58] for the close proximity of the parking space on the west
[22:03] to the actual exit.
[22:08] Typically, I don't know if the town has standards, but that's always something that we watch, right?
[22:15] So I would just say you may want to bet that.
[22:21] Yeah, correct.
[22:24] So as people are exiting the site, you're going to car there.
[22:28] You've got somebody backing up into that area of traffic, the motion, the vehicle movement,
[22:35] typically there's standards.
[22:38] For many of them distances, for parking space to that.
[22:41] Yeah, that would most likely be in our building codes on this sheet that we're looking at we're talking you we were discussing those
[22:49] Spaces on the Western property line those are labeled as
[22:54] Employee parking so
[22:58] that's taking away from user parking for which there already isn't enough
[23:05] Yeah,
[23:10] and which plan is correct you know the
[23:14] The geometry on these two plans are
[23:17] Between the sea plan and the A planter, wildly different.
[23:21] Agreed.
[23:23] So there's an error in the drawings.
[23:29] This is to get us a 30-day extension.
[23:43] There are civil engineers who did not coordinate with the architect.
[23:49] I mean, in fairness to them, that's not the first time we've seen plans like that.
[23:56] So I think it's very important that when you respond.
[24:02] Or look at me, he's doing it.
[24:04] when they meet with you that you make sure that they understand that they're going to provide
[24:11] 12 parking spaces, and that whatever code or ordinance applies from our point of view,
[24:21] they should supply X number of spaces. 12 is clearly not enough.
[24:28] 12 spaces for a community that is
[24:31] over 9,000 right now, and if I had money to bet, I would bet it will be over 10,000 in the next five years.
[24:42] It we don't have mail boxes.
[24:44] We don't have mail boxes.
[24:45] So we have to go to the post office.
[24:48] Jeremy's letter said, Jip seems over 10,000 people didn't it?
[24:52] Just under.
[24:53] Just under.
[24:54] Just under.
[24:55] The census is putting us at a number lower than we believe.
[25:00] We are, but we believe we still think we're under 10,000.
[25:05] So on this note, I personally have walked into the post office in the main entry and seen
[25:13] people line up all down that first row all the way down. So it's speed of service. It's
[25:22] all intertwined to how many parking spaces, right? So the faster they get people up, but
[25:26] point is it's not like you're picking up a beverage, right? And you're out the door, it's
[25:33] and let's be clear that people working in the post office are doing all that they can.
[25:39] Oh, yeah. I think they're living by their facility with how efficient they can be.
[25:44] They're absolutely limited by the facility and the number of staff that they have working there
[25:49] And all of that is, yes, on the post office entity, a hundred percent.
[26:00] And on that note, I guess, on efficiency, I don't understand my request would be to tie
[26:06] these two buildings together, definitely, you know, come out the back service door.
[26:13] You have to have at least a cover to area, but I don't see any reason why they can't connect
[26:18] these two.
[26:22] All right, no, I support what you're saying.
[26:26] I have a strong feeling they aren't doing that because of cost and time.
[26:30] Yeah.
[26:31] And I also think it's opposed to a potential security risk when you got an open.
[26:37] Well, I like that.
[26:42] Dupers.
[26:49] If this new shed that they're building is just a house.
[26:55] Post office boxes.
[26:56] And his staff is going to have to wheel their carts outside in the wintertime, through
[27:05] whatever.
[27:06] And that's an alley in alleyways between buildings are create wind corridors and create snow
[27:12] and ice build up.
[27:14] It's even in gypsum with a little snow as we get, we still can get snow storms of up to 20
[27:20] inches or more at a time.
[27:22] And when we get those Arctic freezes that settle in,
[27:27] even if it's not snow that came in,
[27:29] there's still enough moisture that we get,
[27:31] we do get ice, especially in those valleys.
[27:34] Yeah.
[27:34] We can have weeks at a time where it doesn't get above freezing,
[27:37] so there could be several weeks where snow and ice
[27:40] or a couple months where snow and ice is built up
[27:42] between those buildings and the great,
[27:43] the really treacherous situation for the staff,
[27:47] as well as public.
[27:49] A great, that's a good thing to point out.
[27:52] I am also going to point out, they have no setbacks and they are not taking advantage of that.
[28:06] The existing buildings and taking advantage of that and they are proposed new buildings
[28:10] and taking advantage of that,
[28:15] and neither does there any sort of upgrade considered to
[28:19] their parking lot.
[28:23] They might need to do retention all work out there to make that happen, but something I think
[28:29] that we should point out.
[28:32] Do we have any idea if this is just sort of a temporary mandate to give chips some a few more post office boxes or is this what we're going to get
[28:42] We believe we we we don't and I would say this is a poor bandage if that is what they if that is their strategy
[28:54] I would say one if they want to just give us more post office boxes. They could drop a couple of
[29:00] shipping containers on the watt and use that for a couple of years as a band-aid until they
[29:05] can come up with something better.
[29:07] You're not wrong.
[29:09] I don't disagree that, but.
[29:11] Do we know what the numbers are on post office boxes that we're expanding from and
[29:20] too?
[29:21] Not enough to not enough?
[29:23] No, I don't.
[29:24] We don't know.
[29:27] Yeah.
[29:27] And that would be a good thing to request.
[29:32] The other question I think I'd ask him is,
[29:35] what do they, how long do they project this addition?
[29:43] Will make this whole post office last?
[29:46] Well, for compared to the population projected population,
[29:50] growth of gypsum, do we have data on that?
[29:54] They haven't, they haven't provided us any data on how many people
[29:58] they expect this post.
[30:00] The government's office is to be able to serve. And I think going back on what Michael pointed out earlier is it's this post office and I think this valley's notorious for this, but this post office doesn't just serve the town of Jibson, it serves.
[30:14] It serves. It serves. It serves. Eagle, it serves. Those that can.
[30:21] I mean, just like every other post office in this valley. Is that also Colorado River Road and Sweetwater?
[30:25] I don't know how many, like, how big of a footprint this post office serves, but I do know from just living the valley and having friends in the valley, like, you get a peel box where you can, or where is convenient.
[30:42] That might not be where you live, it might be the town you work.
[30:46] I have friends that live in gypsum that work in needle and they have an eagle post office.
[30:51] Yep. My fiance when she moved out here, there's now a room at the eagle post office.
[30:59] She lived in gypsum, but she had to get a post office box in eagle.
[31:06] She also worked in gypsum.
[31:09] Now the concern of mine is, once they, if they move forward with this,
[31:17] It's kind of that philosophy or mentality that it's there and we're going to get it for the next 40 years, guys
[31:24] Exactly. This was the lands. That's what you get.
[31:29] So I
[31:29] I agree a question general question that I have about the existing building that land is
[31:37] privately owned the post office leases and land
[31:40] Did the post office build that original building or was that I?
[31:45] And it does get a question, I don't know the answer to that.
[31:49] I don't think so, but I do not know.
[31:51] I was just curious if that building was constructed for the post office or by the post office.
[31:57] And if it was constructed as a post office from the beginning or if it was some other kind
[32:02] of building that was taken over by the post office and then retrofitted.
[32:08] Yeah, no, I think that's a good question.
[32:09] But we brought up to our attorneys, hey, this building's least.
[32:18] Post office will walk away from the tomorrow.
[32:20] And then we have a bigger, not even more, not conforming building.
[32:27] It still doesn't plan.
[32:29] They can still choose to listen to us or ignore us.
[32:33] So there's many comments on their design.
[32:37] They're building their function.
[32:39] anything that can help them look more like they fit into the market district but also serve
[32:46] the communities needs and keep our residents safe. I do think that this parking lot is not
[32:52] super safe. I think a lot of gypsum residents have actually done a really good job in this parking lot
[32:58] of taking care of one another and trying to be safe. That being said, it's only a matter of time
[33:06] because it's not.
[33:08] It's when especially November and December in January.
[33:13] When all those packages are coming through,
[33:15] I don't believe this is safe.
[33:17] I think it only functions safely
[33:19] because ships and residents feel like,
[33:21] I don't know, they're all in it together
[33:23] and they get stuck and they drive,
[33:26] they actually drive slow.
[33:29] The other thing that I'm showing here is like,
[33:32] you know, it trucks back up to that loading deck.
[33:37] And trucks park there.
[33:40] Daily multiple times a day.
[33:42] And not only USPS trucks, but USPS has some sort of a contract where they will deliver packages
[33:51] to the post office that are supposed to go to a street address that get delivered to people's
[33:55] post office boxes.
[33:57] So there's delivery vehicles, I'm sorry, interrupt you James, but you're right.
[34:03] there are post office vehicles and there are local people that I believe are contracted with
[34:09] the post office as drivers. So there's a lot of delivery traffic going in and out in addition
[34:16] to staff employee traffic and customer user traffic. In addition to trash traffic that they
[34:24] have not shown where they're putting their trash. Right. So that trucks sticking out to the
[34:31] south of that dock, you know, blocks anybody who's parked in the 12 parking spaces that there
[34:39] are is blocking the entrance to the building expansion and it's not a building expansion.
[34:45] They're not touching. So it's a separate building.
[35:00] In addition to the issue with vehicular circulation and parking,
[35:06] the drive is intended to be one way with
[35:11] the entrance on the east side and the exit on the cell, or what is that, the cell side. Several times
[35:19] a year, I see people that either are new here or just decide that they don't want to pay attention
[35:23] to the signs and they drive through the other way, and it really screws traffic up.
[35:29] agree. So the vehicular
[35:36] circulation is problematic from the start.
[35:41] And I think this just
[35:42] aggravates pedestrian circulation as well. I would agree that there are no paths or sidewalks
[35:52] that go from the public sidewalk through the property to their walkway. You have to cross a truck
[36:05] or you just have to cross the parking lot, there's no path, there's no marked area for anyone to walk.
[36:12] Like if I was going to walk from Oak Ridge Drive or from Oak Ridge Court.
[36:31] So Christopher, I just want to make sure that when you meet with them, you'll be able to ask the questions about.
[36:39] So he's not going to be able to, I don't know if he's going to be meeting with them,
[36:43] or if they will arrange meeting what we're doing is providing him a letter.
[36:46] So that is what their request entails, or their documentation.
[36:50] Yeah. Okay. So in the letter, though, that we could reflect on
[36:59] the statistics in terms of what
[37:02] they proposed to be able to serve with this expansion and how that compares to the estimated
[37:11] growth of the town. Yeah. And I think that is something that Jeremy and we staff are pushing
[37:20] back on them.
[37:24] Do you want to say, like, remind everyone, like, we are the design view board right now,
[37:29] like what sort of design characteristics do we have to critique them on to make this potentially
[37:38] function better?
[37:43] I still agree that no matter how we, you know, skin this cat, it's not going to meet the
[37:49] communities needs.
[37:50] That was a fundamental question in my mind about what are we doing in this meeting today because it seems like
[37:57] We're trying to provide them any sort of architectural design or sight plan feedback that we can
[38:06] Jeremy's letter, I think, does it good job of addressing the inadequacy of meeting our town's needs for a new post office?
[38:15] Yeah.
[38:16] We can make all the comments we can, and hopefully they are received and addressed.
[38:24] So if we have any other sort of something I just noticed, they haven't submitted any
[38:30] colors, any, you know, material board type things, so what sort of materials would you
[38:40] like to see?
[38:41] I'm going to say it's post office, so they're probably going to go with that blue gray combo.
[38:46] Just to pick up just a second, James, the elevation showing on 4.2, a 4.2.
[38:58] Do not show the existing building in relation to the new building?
[39:04] Yeah.
[39:05] Agreed, I was going to note that as well.
[39:07] I'd like to see how these buildings relate to each other
[39:11] and that this is an inadequate set of drawings.
[39:15] I agree.
[39:17] You can't tell how this design relates to the existing design
[39:21] and how it relates to the truck dock that it's right next to.
[39:29] Sure.
[39:34] Should we stay on the elevation page?
[39:36] I did.
[39:36] Okay. I'm good with that. Should we move to it?
[39:39] Yeah, yeah. I got pulled up here.
[39:41] Okay.
[39:41] Yeah, A4.2.
[39:48] So basically, this building, if you look at this building, fits exactly into the pages in our design guidelines.
[40:00] What we don't want.
[40:05] If you look at those pictures, this fits perfectly in what the town would not approve.
[40:15] Okay. So, elaborate on that. Get like, let's, like, how, how do we put that in writing to the post office?
[40:25] Because I think, I think you're on the money. This, this looks like, to me, right now, this looks like a building that fit more in our light industrial areas.
[40:32] This looks like a building that belongs in figure B of our design guidelines.
[40:40] Okay, figure B is not acceptable building types, materials, lighting, amenities, landscaping, and railings continue.
[40:50] That's just, I'm just reading from what we published.
[40:54] Yeah. And if you look at the pictures, this stucco building is to plain. This wood building is to plain.
[41:06] Has anyone found any materials material in notes?
[41:11] Yes, I think they're up in the notes alone.
[41:15] It's just to match existing is all of the notes that I read. It's citing to match existing,
[41:20] roofing to match existing, citing color to match existing, so I'm on elevation notes.
[41:24] But to change this point, this looks like a metal building or they're gonna paint it red to look like brick
[41:34] They're gonna paint it the same brown as the existing post office. Isn't it just a plywood sighting on there?
[41:40] It looks like it was the almost
[41:42] I know it's 11 11 11 11. Yeah, yeah, it's a plywood sighting. It's
[41:52] But I'm with you, I think they have to,
[41:54] my suggestion a recommendation would be,
[41:56] if you're going to be looking at wood sighting,
[41:59] it has to be more ranching in terms of its finish.
[42:03] Maybe a little distressed, something that follows
[42:05] this hitching post example,
[42:11] not a solid stain, but maybe a weathered wood exterior.
[42:17] Veryable kind of stain, yeah.
[42:19] Model, yep.
[42:20] I'm going to say the existing building needs a lot of maintenance and I don't think it's unreasonable to request that the existing building be recited and the
[42:35] siding on this proposed building if it stays in this configuration, have an updated
[42:41] siding and siding detail and trim detail so that it all matches the existing siding,
[42:48] the existing trim is all deteriorated. It has hardly ever been painted or stained or maintained
[42:55] or cleaned. And I've lived in gypsum for 20 years and I don't know one last time I saw
[42:59] that building. I mean, that brick could use a power wash.
[43:03] At the very least, if this new structure is going to match the existing, they could put a brick base
[43:11] around this new building to match the same height of the existing building.
[43:21] At least it would make the two buildings look more coherent right now.
[43:25] This building does not have any resemblance to the existing one.
[43:28] In its size and its roof form and its siding, all they're saying is it's going to match the same materials and same color,
[43:35] but that doesn't go far enough.
[43:37] And I don't know how they're going to match it, I mean, this looks like this doesn't look like a brick building.
[43:44] I'm still in favor of not repeating the siding that they have period.
[43:50] I think we disagree on even adding the brick, because I would vote for do some reclaimed siding.
[43:57] Put your money there. Let's, I was thinking we definitely need more fenestration on this.
[44:03] They've got two windows on the one side of the building.
[44:08] You've got the lockers, go up to six feet.
[44:11] You've got a very height of 10.
[44:13] I'm all in favor of adding more fenestration,
[44:15] kind of a clear story on the front wall.
[44:18] I also thought about changing the pitch on this entry,
[44:22] framing, so that it is a shed roof.
[44:27] That's at a different pitch, guys.
[44:29] And it goes across the facade itself.
[44:32] so you just don't have this tiny little entry point.
[44:38] Is that better for snow, though?
[44:39] So instead of falling front and falls to the side,
[44:43] she was saying that this would be like a shed roof
[44:46] that would cover that sidewalks.
[44:47] Yeah, the whole sidewalk all the way across.
[44:50] With more columns, heavier timbers,
[44:53] right, let's up the scale of the columns.
[44:56] So there's six inch now, let's go up to minimum.
[44:59] Yeah, see you
[45:00] If you're advocating for ignore the architecture of the current building, because that's not industrial ranch, build this one as industrial ranch.
[45:09] Correct.
[45:10] And hey, if you can, look at that other building and make an industrial ranching.
[45:16] Well, I think we should as a board in staff agree on one direction for comments.
[45:25] And I think there's two directions on the table right now.
[45:29] Melonies proposing make the new building but the proposed building
[45:34] comply more with the town's guidelines as much as possible with better
[45:40] siding and detailing and a possible revised roof.
[45:44] And I'm in favor of all of those suggestions.
[45:47] My suggestion is only to make the two buildings look as identical as possible
[45:52] with materials and colors. And if that means adding brick siding to the proposed building,
[46:00] that's one way to do it. Another way to do it is if we don't want brick siding in the existing
[46:05] building gets a renovation, pull the brick off the existing building. It doesn't
[46:12] all need to be there except for the vestibule that was rebuilt. That was actually, I think a brick wall
[46:18] the storefront windows, so that brick might have to stay there. But I think some of the other brick might just be of a nearer.
[46:34] And they sent me wallet.
[46:37] Yeah, I think it's just a nearer.
[46:38] I don't know.
[46:40] It looks like it looked at it.
[46:42] Is that the rebuilt?
[46:44] Yeah, that's today's window.
[46:47] So, I don't know.
[46:51] I'm of the opinion that we don't repeat bad architecture.
[46:56] So it's kind of that slippery slope to me.
[46:58] Well, I agree that's why I'm suggesting
[47:00] reskin the existing building.
[47:02] Yeah, I love that idea.
[47:03] I think this is used summed it up perfectly.
[47:07] I'm with you on that, I agree.
[47:11] Then Christopher, I would summarize the notes of this topic
[47:17] to possibly renovate the exterior of the existing building
[47:22] and make the new building in the existing building as cohesive in material and color as possible.
[47:32] Can I add on to that and say make them one building?
[47:37] I support that. Thanks.
[47:39] All right. That was a comment you guys were making earlier.
[47:42] I just felt like it kind of tacked onto what you're saying here.
[47:45] I was running with the assumption that that's not going to happen, but the problem around
[47:49] the assumption none of this could happen. Sorry, I'm on to the assumption that we're trying
[47:56] to torpedo this project so that we do that and with the tech working with the town, they
[48:01] do something different completely. Yes, I don't know. I doubt that we are able to do that,
[48:10] but hopefully they see the light and like this will be a waste of money in three years,
[48:16] this because this won't, this fully my opinion is a plan. This will be
[48:21] of what waste a money in three years because this will not meet the community needs
[48:24] and they'll be stopped doing this again and trying to figure something else out.
[48:27] That totally agree.
[48:33] You know where they get the money to do something that would meet the community means
[48:37] beyond three to five years. I don't know. I don't know. We're for the post office.
[48:42] So that's not my job.
[48:43] This is just a question for just a quick. Put me in my place here.
[48:50] are we all comfortable with just a single leaf door going in and out of there? I mean how
[48:56] often I hold the door open for somebody almost every time I go to the post office. Same
[49:03] we're so nice. And I'm just wondering if a double leaf door would be better or might just
[49:11] I don't know that a double leaf door would be better but I could see a separate entrance and exit
[49:16] door,
[49:20] but then you're going to run into a situation where nobody knows. Yeah, nobody's going
[49:24] to pay attention to it. Hey, we're building community by holding the door for one another.
[49:29] Well, the side door is three foot six. I don't know if you notice that. It is a little wider and that
[49:33] would be for staff. My guess is coming in and out of that door with cards, right? Yeah.
[49:40] It's noted. It's noted as a staff. Entrance only. Oh, it is. Yeah. Why, hey, they're not going to need to
[49:47] that because they're just going to build one building for us, one big building.
[49:51] Yeah, I would agree.
[49:54] But now that the door is a good question, I've real-
[50:00] When I look through these plans, this says to me, we are trying to ball on a budget.
[50:25] To reinforce what Melanie said earlier about additional fenestration, I think more windows on the
[50:31] south elevation adjacent to the front door, the public front door would be very beneficial.
[50:40] Yeah, and if those areas, I do believe they're lying to PO boxes, but if they were to
[50:44] put you on, yeah, but if they were to have windows above the PO boxes, because you
[50:49] said the PO boxes go up six feet, but the, what was the very height is 10, bearing height
[50:55] is 10, so you have, there's a drop ceiling below the truss, does it show how big that
[51:01] drop ceiling is, but you could still get windows above the, because they have that.
[51:07] existing post office right uh... where they have
[51:10] windows above the uh... the ceiling of the
[51:12] right so
[51:14] the underside of the truss
[51:17] is ten
[51:19] and they can run their mechanical
[51:22] through those trusses
[51:23] they're dropping a ceiling in the mechanical below the trusses
[51:26] but i'm saying is a recommendation
[51:29] i agree help with the window situation right because it's also a safety thing
[51:33] guys
[51:33] just natural daylight when you're cutting down these
[51:36] Well, that does get into a daylight issue with occupancy use and square footage.
[51:48] Running the mechanical in the trust space gets challenging because of insulation issues,
[51:55] so whenever they can, they're going to run mechanical duct work below the insulation,
[52:01] so that it's fully enclosed in a conditioned space.
[52:04] But if we can get whatever mechanical way they do it, if we can get increased windows above their PO boxes, I think, we would be more satisfied when they have now.
[52:18] Yes, I agree with all that.
[52:20] They can do an 18 inch window above the post office box banks that are six feet tall.
[52:27] They still have two feet between the ceiling and the top of the boxes and they can put an 18 inch window in there.
[52:34] still get adequate trim around it.
[52:37] Can you go to the mechanical duct layout?
[52:40] Which page is that?
[52:41] Sorry, that happens.
[52:43] BM1.0.
[52:45] My thoughts are you, none of these supplies are up against the wall, right?
[52:51] So we have opportunity to carve back or window well, light well, a couple feet in, maybe
[52:58] beyond the lockers, do you know what I'm saying?
[53:00] because they're not dropping the supplies at the doors, which is like,
[53:06] you know,
[53:10] it's nice
[53:11] to try to make a bad design better,
[53:17] but it's a bad design, do I add that in my hands?
[53:21] Here's what's going through my mind right now. I don't even feel safe going in here at night.
[53:29] I mean, this building is an isolated building, it's not part of the main post office.
[53:33] No one can see in it, the police can't see in it.
[53:38] I don't know what kind of things could possibly happen.
[53:41] If we ever had any crime in that existing post office?
[53:45] Not to my knowledge, but I have not looked into that.
[53:50] Do you feel safe going in here at night back into the back of that
[53:54] and finding some stranger?
[53:56] How do you feel about this?
[53:58] I actually was looking at the exit and remoteness requirements.
[54:01] And of course, they're not above 50 occupants.
[54:03] So you don't need that second door, but yeah, I thought about it right out of the gate.
[54:08] You know, you walk into that last bay, 11 o'clock at night, because the door is always open, right?
[54:13] Yeah, there's only two lights back there, those backbased two.
[54:18] It did cross my mind and I'm with you on that.
[54:22] I don't even feel like it's safe.
[54:27] Does anyone seen any sort of security cameras noted in their electrical mechanical, any of that?
[54:37] I saw it.
[54:38] That's why I'm saying that.
[54:39] It's actually this is such a disservice to our community, all the way around guys, it's such
[54:47] a disservice.
[54:49] Absolutely.
[54:52] In post offices, something that every resident in this community uses,
[54:59] I mean.
[55:00] It's something every resident uses and it's something more and more of our residents are using, as we have more and more retirees here. There are certain medications that will, to my knowledge, almost only ship through USPS.
[55:17] Right. That's a good point.
[55:18] Perhaps it could be a compelling point that even if they're trying to be, you know, conservative with their budget, that we're not necessarily imposing expensive materials or layouts that with what they're proposing, a redesign could just be more efficient.
[55:32] They wouldn't have to necessarily increase their resources to make this work, but they just, like James pointed out that, you know, making the best of a poor design, you know.
[55:41] I would advocate them to come to our community, especially in the months of December.
[55:49] Yes, somebody January. Yeah, but December January. Oh, December from the end of November after Thanksgiving through December to see the kind of traffic that goes through there for the holiday traffic and to see what the
[56:06] Air employees are dealing with. Yeah, there's something else that
[56:12] should be somehow brought to their attention's architects,
[56:19] this is a
[56:20] community space. We have lines. The line right now we all know goes from the
[56:27] door in all the way back, sometimes all the way to that back set of
[56:38] So there's 25 people standing in line, and you know why Eagles post offices better than gypsums?
[56:48] Because the line there goes around a table, and we can all see each other, and we all know who's there.
[56:55] Hey, Mike. How's it going? It's a community space and this like totally turns us back on it because we have to go to the post office to get our mail.
[57:07] You know, if you live in other communities where they deliver mail to the post office, you don't have to go there. They should respect that this is a community space and they don't.
[57:17] It's, I see what you're saying, where the internal layout is not designed at an a
[57:23] communal manner.
[57:26] And they should take that to heart.
[57:31] We see people there, we know, we talk to people there, we know.
[57:35] Somebody ought to be serving coffee for crying out loud, but you don't have to put that in
[57:40] the notes, but it's just such a bad design.
[57:44] You can put hot dog roller in the notes and I got to go inside to get my mail
[57:48] Then I got to go back outside go back inside to get my package
[57:52] I mean, I got to go in I got to go out. I got to go back in get my baggage and then back out
[57:58] I mean how many times have all of us held the door or have the door held for us as we go in and out holding packages above our heads
[58:06] I'm short so maybe not some of you guys
[58:08] But packages above our heads as we're going to our cars and then rushing back in as other people are trying to shuffle in and out
[58:14] that little atrium.
[58:20] Yeah, the existing facilities, the bad design, the new facility is not
[58:26] increasing the service in the way you need. Do we know, sorry, this is loud sometimes,
[58:31] do we know if it's the same architect that was designing the proposed new post office as this
[58:36] design or the different team? No, so I believe the story there is that the tower center team
[58:44] and created a design for the post office.
[58:51] And do we know if in that proposal,
[58:52] they followed our guidelines and...
[58:54] They, they, they, they, it wasn't in the market district.
[58:57] Right, yeah, straight zoning in the building.
[58:59] New Iowa is Pewdie, or Tara Center Pewdie.
[59:02] So they went with what they wanted to see in the Tara Center,
[59:06] because that's, you know, more privately managed.
[59:11] And it looked nice for the record.
[59:13] I thought they're, the Tara Center's design, that's cool.
[59:20] So one of the other things I wanted to bring up
[59:22] if you look at their proposed plan, they're removing a tremendous amount of existing boxes.
[59:28] So what is the delta? What are we really gaining?
[59:31] Right. That's a good question.
[59:38] What are we gaining?
[59:39] What are we gaining?
[59:39] Hey, come in.
[59:40] Exactly. If you're going to do it.
[59:45] That's part of this statistics. We still want to know.
[59:47] You know, there's another thought here. I'm just going to...
[59:51] I'm just talking out loud because we're just to design review board.
[59:55] We're at the lowest ranks here in town, right?
[59:58] You're still above staff.
[59:59] If...
[1:00:00] They tore that entire building down and moved it back with there's more room to the south,
[1:00:11] because you, there's room to move it north, right?
[1:00:14] Uh, potentially I haven't looked into their site plan to see if there are easements there.
[1:00:19] You could build a building that opens up to the south that has enough
[1:00:26] So people can see in, people can see out a much safer condition.
[1:00:32] And still have a post office where people can line up and go to a counter and get their stuff.
[1:00:38] We've all been to way more beautiful post offices than this.
[1:00:42] And this is like a hover.
[1:00:44] Well, I don't know if this building is not I agree.
[1:00:48] I don't know if this building is designed as a post office.
[1:00:52] That being said, would you say that your recommendation is, work with if no other site can be acquired or this site cannot be expanded, work with the town to properly expand this building.
[1:01:08] Because I'll go, I'll go tear this building down myself if someone else has built it. I can't build things. I can tear them down.
[1:01:13] I'm sure volunteers would lower their cost.
[1:01:19] Yeah, no, there's a solid 10 feet on the North, right?
[1:01:23] Regarding the demo plan, I'm unclear as to what the extent of the demo is and what the
[1:01:29] extent of the renovation in the existing buildings going to be.
[1:01:34] I'm not looking for explanation right now, but I just want to make a comment that the plans
[1:01:39] are not 100, not very clear.
[1:01:42] It looks like it's a composite of a reflected ceiling lighting plan and a demo plan of
[1:01:51] existing PO boxes
[1:02:00] Yeah, that I agree. I'm not sure about it does seem where they are building the new building. There is not much
[1:02:11] There's anything there, but
[1:02:13] They're Delta
[1:02:24] do you know which PDF page of this? Sorry.
[1:02:31] Nice scene. Thanks. I will way off.
[1:02:43] No, I think so.
[1:02:45] 8, 8 on mine.
[1:02:48] Nice 19, 38.
[1:02:50] I'll look at just the documents.
[1:02:53] Okay.
[1:02:54] I see what you're looking at here.
[1:02:58] eight, seven, and you'll be able to change.
[1:03:01] Oh, seven, sorry.
[1:03:03] One, demo, one, eight, two, four, one, double,
[1:03:07] or should plan?
[1:03:08] All right.
[1:03:09] Is it a confusing one, two,
[1:03:15] eight?
[1:03:16] Wait, so this is the new building.
[1:03:18] Well, and it doesn't show how they can re-model that area.
[1:03:21] Exactly.
[1:03:22] It shows some sense of demo, but we don't get a plan of what
[1:03:26] it's going to be replaced with, right?
[1:03:32] on live for the existing and look at a 3.0 like a little. Is that the next page?
[1:03:41] There's the reflected ceiling plan there.
[1:03:45] It shows those walls.
[1:03:50] Yeah, but that's a long one.
[1:03:53] We
[1:03:55] don't know what they're going to do with that.
[1:04:12] One other item.
[1:04:15] If you look at A2.1, they're calling for an ADA paddle for a door operator
[1:04:20] and it's on the hinge side of the door.
[1:04:24] They might want to study the ADA code.
[1:04:27] So you send the federal government to study the federal
[1:04:29] government's rules?
[1:04:31] Well, it's actually, yes, it's a federal mandate.
[1:04:38] Anyway, the operator's on the wrong side.
[1:04:44] Wait, so that would lead them the person pushing
[1:04:47] across by the door?
[1:04:48] That's right, you hit the door operator
[1:04:50] and the door swings into you.
[1:04:52] That's not good,
[1:04:55] right?
[1:04:58] And then you can hit by the column because...
[1:05:00] Can't move out of the way of the door swing, so.
[1:05:04] 821,
[1:05:07] note number nine.
[1:05:17] I made note of that specifically.
[1:05:19] Thank you.
[1:05:23] Thank
[1:05:27] you.
[1:05:29] Yeah.
[1:05:30] Next to you.
[1:05:34] Fence height. Does that meet code?
[1:05:38] Design standards?
[1:05:39] Well, it's not clear to me where that fence is going.
[1:05:41] I do think that is going around the mechanical equipment that the fence height, I believe meets the guidelines, the material does not, but I don't know where that fence is going, so beyond that I can't comment because if it's going on the property line that would be things to a certain extent in the back and the sides, but not the front because the front is supposed to be only three and a half foot fence.
[1:06:08] But if you look at A6.0, and you just go by I, we know the ceiling is that A8 feet,
[1:06:15] look at the height of that fence. The way they're showing it.
[1:06:19] Yeah,
[1:06:25] sure, sure, sure.
[1:06:31] Give me a guy to go back to 3a, 1.0, see if that's huge.
[1:06:43] Do you want a motion?
[1:06:48] I think sure. Yeah, a motion to take all, I think the appropriate motion is to take all of the
[1:06:54] that's given by the GRB and for Christopher to integrate those into a letter.
[1:07:01] Is that something we want to summarize?
[1:07:03] I was thinking of it.
[1:07:05] No, boy.
[1:07:07] I mean, you are the appointed body.
[1:07:17] I would make
[1:07:22] a motion that we reject the post offices proposed plans, plans to add
[1:07:33] a second building to the postal site that the design does not meet our design guidelines, it
[1:07:47] represents poor planning.
[1:07:49] The site is in adequate, it will not serve the town for a reasonable future.
[1:07:56] nor does it give us the kind of institutional building that a post office can represent?
[1:08:06] I might add that I'm not sure if this were to appear tomorrow.
[1:08:11] I'm not sure it meet the towns needs today.
[1:08:14] So that would be my motion to this board.
[1:08:24] That's up to you guys.
[1:08:26] to clarify and simplify James's suggestion, the proposed, we would,
[1:08:37] I don't reject.
[1:08:40] It's so strong.
[1:08:42] So are you proposing that the motion be, we reject their proposal, we have provided these
[1:08:53] comments as to why we are rejecting their proposal and recommend that they work with staff
[1:09:01] to come up with a better solution, be that facility at a different location, a complete
[1:09:11] redesign of this facility, it's sort of expansion, who knows, but something that would not
[1:09:18] only need the architectural guidelines, but meet the communities needs for a post office.
[1:09:24] And then come back to the design review board and then come back to the design review board.
[1:09:29] Because I'm a one common for just as a thought for consideration, if a new completely
[1:09:38] completely new building structure and facility were to be erected, constructed, it would
[1:09:47] have to be done in a way that the existing facility stays functional until the new facility
[1:09:54] would be completed because the post office is not like a resident where someone could move.
[1:10:00] Come back in six months. No, it's more like a highway where you need a bypass lane, you go down one lane each way and then you open up the other one and then you switch back and forth and yada.
[1:10:12] It's just, it's just a thought for consideration. What is the reality that the post office is going to find a new property to lease and build a brand new facility?
[1:10:24] I don't know, but I would expect it's that probability is very low, so they're going to have to either improve and have to improve and expand upon what we have.
[1:10:36] And I think the way they're looking at it is they want to probably do spend as little as possible and do as little disruption as possible while the new facility is being built.
[1:10:45] And I think they want to do it as quickly as possible.
[1:10:47] And as quickly as possible.
[1:10:48] Now, that's just pure speculation,
[1:10:51] but that doesn't need to go into a motion.
[1:10:53] No, I agree with you.
[1:10:55] I do think that there is a way, if you're
[1:10:57] to completely redo this site.
[1:11:00] I think there's a way to build on to where the current building
[1:11:04] isn't, get that part functioning enough,
[1:11:07] and then build on your second part where the current building is.
[1:11:11] I do think that there's a logistical way to do that,
[1:11:13] but it would take some planning, designing operations,
[1:11:17] It's a flexibility, there would be, not the greatest, you know, service during that time period,
[1:11:25] but there would also be much better service once both the house were built,
[1:11:32] and I would
[1:11:33] like to think that that would be something that the community would, you know, pick up a shot
[1:11:38] of, you know, some tough love that the community would be like all four to get a better post office.
[1:12:03] And the town does own the property, the park, that is kind of behind-ish to the post office.
[1:12:13] So there are ways to partner, there are ways to get things done.
[1:12:19] What is that land behind, west of the post office?
[1:12:23] So immediately west of the post office, that is privately owned.
[1:12:27] It's a little sliver where that creek is to the north and then that goes into that open field.
[1:12:32] That is, it's just a park.
[1:12:34] Has the town proposed a site, a replacement site to the post office?
[1:12:38] Yeah, the proposed replacement site was, you know, the tower center, that construction,
[1:12:43] and that's going right on the road on Highway 6.
[1:12:45] So on the corner of where Jewel's drive,
[1:12:51] not Jewel's drive, sorry, sunny Avenue used to be
[1:12:56] and that going into the apartments right on the eastern side
[1:13:02] of that is where that post office would have
[1:13:10] gone.
[1:13:11] They said they had another money.
[1:13:13] And they know that this site's been offered.
[1:13:16] Oh, yeah, they,
[1:13:20] the story, as I remember,
[1:13:21] is they were working with the tower center team to the
[1:13:25] tower center team designed the building,
[1:13:28] offer them the property, the phase one final plot went through,
[1:13:31] the property got made into its own things.
[1:13:34] You could build on it and the tower center team
[1:13:38] sent them the lease and then they heard crickets.
[1:13:41] That's my understanding.
[1:13:53] Trying to formulate a concise motion.
[1:13:57] We're looking at rejecting this proposal on the grounds of the
[1:14:01] design does not meet the ton of gypsum design guidelines.
[1:14:07] For the comments delivered, we refer to Christopher's comments.
[1:14:12] The design does not function properly and has major flaws in the intended function.
[1:14:22] And we recommend that the U.S. Postal Service confer with town of gypsum staff to discuss
[1:14:30] the town's current in future needs any sort of alternative option yeah the only thing I'd
[1:14:37] like to add in there is let's make sure we know that there are you know life safety
[1:14:42] issues in terms of the site yeah you know pedestrian and that path to travel so let's
[1:14:49] make sure we get in flag life safety issues yeah that it yeah Christopher make sure
[1:14:55] really put an emphasis on those.
[1:14:59] Yeah.
[1:15:00] So we're looking at design function would include life-safety traffic as well as pedestrian or user use of facility.
[1:15:14] Internal safety as well. Internal safety, internal safety, traffic, internal and external safety, traffic, and overall functional functionality and use.
[1:15:32] And the U.S.,
[1:15:36] the powers that be for the U.S. P.S., which don't work here,
[1:15:43] they are aware that most
[1:15:46] people do not have mailboxes, if there's no delivery of our mail.
[1:15:51] I would like to think they do.
[1:15:57] Christopher will make sure they know.
[1:15:59] Christopher, make sure they know.
[1:16:00] I mean,
[1:16:15] what is that?
[1:16:15] Don't want to say the sentiment of this.
[1:16:17] Everybody, go online and send a note to the President of the United States saying,
[1:16:22] hey, this is, there's some bad stuff coming out of the, um, what branches he, he's the,
[1:16:31] uh, post-poucher now.
[1:16:33] No, no, but the post-poucher falls under, I mean, it's technically falls under the executive
[1:16:39] right.
[1:16:39] It does fall under the executive.
[1:16:40] Well, that's what I read, which is why I wrote it.
[1:16:44] Well, and I've seen Trump's plane at the airport, so it's not a very far walk once
[1:16:50] he lands.
[1:16:51] Yeah, the other thing to note is be sure to write your Congress people and senators.
[1:16:57] Okay.
[1:16:59] Okay.
[1:17:00] I make a motion to reject the proposal as presented under the following reasons.
[1:17:10] One, the design does not meet town of gypsum's design guidelines for overall massing
[1:17:19] form materials in color.
[1:17:23] Two, the building does not function in regards to life safety, both internal and external.
[1:17:32] There are conflicts with pedestrian traffic and vehicular traffic, and there are serious
[1:17:43] shortcomings in the function of the building regarding use as a post office by patrons.
[1:17:53] And we number three, the design review ward, requests that the applicant refer to the
[1:18:02] of gypsum staff to discuss the town's current in future needs.
[1:18:08] The existing post office does not meet our current needs,
[1:18:12] and we feel that the proposed addition
[1:18:16] will still not meet our current needs.
[1:18:23] Second,
[1:18:27] all those in favor?
[1:18:28] Aye. Aye.
[1:18:31] Any opposed?
[1:18:34] The motion carries.
[1:18:35] Hey,
[1:18:39] thanks for not shooting the mess in here.
[1:18:52] James, are there any other items on the agenda?
[1:18:57] No, no, right now I need to go, I need to have a home I have a meeting for the wedding
[1:19:03] right after this meeting with the bartender.
[1:19:06] But brief updates, trying to finish up the market district and airport gateway, designed
[1:19:14] review board update for this year, and hopefully I won't need to update it next year.
[1:19:22] But trying to get that finished off with Christopher, and getting out in front of you guys
[1:19:27] and then planning commission, I might do, I might figure out the most efficient way to do
[1:19:31] that and just have you guys give me online comments again and then just bring it before
[1:19:35] the planning commission at the next meeting just so I can get that done and feel like I did
[1:19:39] something awesome.
[1:19:42] So, Christopher, do you have anything?
[1:19:44] I did not.
[1:19:46] All right.
[1:19:46] Chopin, Jesse?
[1:19:48] Okay.
[1:19:50] Thank you.
[1:19:51] Move to adjourn?
[1:19:52] Yes, please.
[1:19:54] I make a motion to adjourn.
[1:19:58] I'll second then.
[1:20:00] I wasn't favour, and he was meeting as adjourned at 529 p.m.