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I'm going to call this meeting to order, gypsum town council, september 8th, 2026. Welcome everyone. If you didn't get a chance to sign in, please do.

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Please rise for the pledge.

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First item of businesses that consent agenda.

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I make a motion we approve the consent agenda. We have a motion to approve the consent agenda. Any discussion? All in favor? Aye. Any opposed?

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Most carries.

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Mr. Mary, I make a motion to adjourn from our regular meeting and go into the liquor

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license authority.

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We have a motion to adjourn from our regular meeting and adjourn and go into the liquor

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license authority.

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Any discussion?

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It's all in favor.

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I, all opposed.

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Bowley.

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This special event.

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by the JISM Chamber of Commerce.

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It is going to be October 3rd, Saturday from 2 to 5 p.m.

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Right in front of the Lungren Ampitheater.

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Snacks and Beer will be available for purchase at the Fox Den.

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There will also be Stuffer Kids, Trunker Treat, Pumpkin Races,

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Dineholding Contest for Children and Adults,

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costume, parade, and bounce houses.

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Well,

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any questions?

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I

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make a motion to approve gypsum chamber of commerce, gyptober fall-fest special event permits.

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We have a motion to approve the gypsum chamber of commerce, gyptober fall-fest special event permit.

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Any discussion?

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All in favor?

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Any opposed?

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Motion carries.

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Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion to adjourn from our liquor license authority and go back to our regular meeting.

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have a motion to adjourn from our liquor license authority, and we turn to our regular

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meeting, Alan Fever, aye.

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Any opposed?

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Okay, citizens before council, I'm just going to make a quick statement because we've got

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a lot of folks here tonight.

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It's been policies since I think about 95 with the town of gypsum.

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We've really welcomed input for our community to limit chaos sometimes and have meetings not run till midnight.

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Typically if somebody has something they want to get on the agenda.

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We get hold of poly before hand, get it on the agenda, and then you've got three minutes, and then we can schedule something down the road for topics for a longer agenda item.

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So let's hold it to three minutes tonight for the folks that are on.

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Tim, probably some of you are group by Paul Giants.

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I know in the past, here in their mayor car room would let you on,

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but we're really trying to keep things tight.

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There's a new mayor I've been tested and pressured here and there,

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so thanks to everybody for your patience.

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But we'll start with Eric Medina, town staff concerns.

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Welcome.

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Yes, sir.

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I brought you a cabinet here at some of the information.

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Thank you.

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I'm around at

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it.

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We've got copies to make up.

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This is different.

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Okay. I'll get it simulated to the whole council.

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Thank you.

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First thing I'd like to say is that on anti-slat statute,

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all statements that I make, there's no accusations

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and I'm asking for an investigation from the town.

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First of all, I'd like to, I'd like to ask you to retain an independent

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outside third-party to review my retaliation complaint and the town manager's actions

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During these surveillance issues that we're going to talk about later tonight. That review should include the July 27th email asking law enforcement about investigating the source and funding of public opposition to ALPR cameras on record. I did a core request and there's an email where the town manager suggests that there should be retaliation against anybody, not in these words, that is in opposition of the cameras.

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Additionally, I would like to say that I delivered a formal notice of potential legal claims

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against the town of gypsum.

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The notice is under 42 USC 1983.

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I'm not here to argue litigation.

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You have a copy of that, but it's for retaliation against myself.

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And also, there are some emails that were sent by the town manager that I'd like the council

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to look into.

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One of them comes from a city, Mr. J. Oliver, sending an email about not knowing about L-A-L-P-R cameras being in the town of gypsum.

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And I get a core request to ask approval to find out how those cameras became existing in the town.

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Okay? And I know from the emails that what was said is that they were approved by the town manager.

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They were not approved by the Council.

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And that actually could violate law.

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And basically, CRS-29-1-203, one states that

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cooperation and contracts must be authorized by each participating

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government with approval of the legislative body,

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or other authority having the power to approve.

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Okay? So it depends on the contract, all right?

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But it's possible that it's actually an illegal action.

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So there's cameras in the town of gypsum.

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There's multiple cameras.

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I don't know how they got here.

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I don't know how they're being used.

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But the current information I sent,

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I'd like you to look into an ordinance.

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There should be some oversight into those cameras.

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The way they're being used, who's using them, right?

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And there should be some sort of audit of those usage.

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And we can't just leave it up to the county just to say, hey, I'm going to, you know, we're doing it the right way.

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It is up to you to enforce those laws and to make ordinances.

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Eric, do you get about 30 seconds?

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So yeah, the most important local email was, has law enforcement looked into the source of where all this public

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cry is originating and the funding lock type campaigns. That seems like an investigation

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angle I'd be wanting to pursue this was sent by Mr. Raiden.

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And basically a police officer

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replied and you know I have a problem with that email. We're talking about retaliation claims

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in 1983 lawsuit and he's talking in another email about retaliating against people that have

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problem with lock cameras or ALPR cameras.

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So I'd like an independent investigation.

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I'd like you to look into the actions of the gentleman,

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the way he retaliated against me.

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Told me that I wasn't angry, we've got all these emails

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from rule follow up with you.

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And I'd appreciate it.

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The town would also respond to court.

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Basically, request that I've made for public information.

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Thank you.

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I'll see you, too.

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Thanks.

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Alexa Martinez, Devodools.

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Welcome.

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My name is Alexa Martinez. I am one of the executive production

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managers for Devodools, and over there is the staff of our

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Devodools exact team, and I would like to talk about Devodools and

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what it's all about. Devodools is a full day assembly built for

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students to prepare teamwork, school spirit, and overall student participation.

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We have a series of competitions with games, races, and cheers

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against other grades.

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Our hope is that we, as a double-dool staff,

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is to have an entire school project based learning

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opportunity and work together to create a long-lasting

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high school memory for all involved.

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Thank you for your pasturnations to double-dool's

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and we would like to ask again for your help to grow our

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assembly by donating $2,000.

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With your assistance, we will hopefully be able to increase

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our student involvement and assembly development this year

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and in future years.

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Thank you. Any questions?

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I just want to add a comment. I was invited last year as a community member and alumni along with

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Deputy Vasquez who I see is joined us out here now.

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I participated in this last year and I'd heard a lot about it, but I didn't really know what to expect and I was very impressed with the program they put together.

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And the way that they pulled the entire school together, I mean, I just thought it was a kind of a big pep assembly, but it wasn't.

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And I was impressed with what I saw as I participated in last year, so great job to you guys and what you've done.

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and Dr. Rivera and what you've done with this program.

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I was impressive.

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It was a cool thing to see, so.

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Thank you.

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I want to ask that.

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And I think, Jennifer, we've set aside

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2000 in the budget for this, so I think you're set.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Alexa.

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Lisa Vasquez, shop with a cop.

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Welcome.

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Thank you.

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Thanks for being here.

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So I just wanted to introduce myself

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to the new council members and say thank you for your passport for shop at the

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cup. I'm again asking for you guys to look at your next year's budget and

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support us again with a donation to that. Our event again is going to be Tuesday,

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December 8th, which I believe is a town council meeting date but if you have

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nothing to do before your council please feel free to stop by at Walmart anywhere

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between three and five o'clock and watch what your funds do for Eagle County School, try again.

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Eagle County Elementary School children.

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Eagle County Sheriff's Office, State Patrol, Eagle PD, Avan PD, Vale PD, and a lot of our other emergency services.

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It's Fire Department's Paramedics, help those kids go shopping and we give them a Christmas experience for that.

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So I was just going to thank you for your past donation.

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We have received your check for this year asking to be put on the budget for next year and inviting you to come and join us.

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And see if you guys had any questions or what it's about.

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Thank you for coming and I think it's a great program for children in our community.

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And thank you and to the Sheriff's Office for setting this up and making it an annual event with a law enforcement and first responders.

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and I really hope I can ditch council one year and go.

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Yeah, we might not have a quorum that night.

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Well I know one year you guys mentioned about moving it the next week,

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but I totally get that with holidays and everything else.

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That's why I said if you can come before that, feel free to.

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Sheriff's Office sponsors 50 kids, 10 schools.

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We have no criteria.

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The school is the one that picks the kids.

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Whether it be the kid who needs that extra support, the kid who needs the reward whatever is we don't pick the criteria

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I'm not sure how the other schools work, but that's just for my 10 schools and 50 kids

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And you're talking about the kids, but I will tell you seeing the sheriff's office and seeing how involved they are with the wrapping and

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You know, Keith, I'm sorry, but you probably ought to bring your wife again because she's the rapper.

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You're not the rapper, but it was so impressive to see them work together, and they were on the floor with the kids.

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It was awesome.

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We picked Tuesday because most of the schools late start Wednesday, so we can sugar them up at the Senate moment.

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We have an extra hour of recovery next day,

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so.

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Thanks again, Lisa.

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Thank you.

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Derek Brettett, wildlife protection and trash containment concerns.

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Welcome.

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Welcome back.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, let's do it.

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Derek, Brett.

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Keep it short and sweet here.

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But we all know we got a bear issue.

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Thoughts of Bear calls nine, one, one, one, worse,

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year ever.

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I was, it brought to go to my attention and I tried to be proactive

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instead of reactive and tried to buy a bear can from the town

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and then it got confusing and I'm working with Jeremy on what the policy

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There's obviously no clear policy at this point.

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And I think the town should have bear proof of trash cans for everybody

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I want it to just buy my own, I don't even know I keep mine in the garage, but all the other communities in the Valley

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I already have the bear proof cans, they have processes, implement it, cost, I've looked at what the costs are

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and that can be discussed later, but since I only got three minutes, I just hope we're not a day late in the dollar short, the campus here,

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Jeremy's going to work on getting Bearcans to set an example.

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Immediately, I hope.

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And with that, I have coordinator from CPW. I know it may, if it costs a million bucks, it costs a million bucks, but what's the value of somebody's life, further, further more, the cost, all the authorities are doing chasing bears around. So I'd say we got a buck up and spend the money and look at what all the other towns are doing. With that, I'll leave it to Courtney to give us some statistics here.

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My love to speak.

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You're there.

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I'm sorry.

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Yes.

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So this has been my first year here.

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So I haven't really experienced a lot of the talented gypsum.

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But at least in this past year since January we've had about 10,000 reports of conflict throughout the state.

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and CPW has put down or used the NIs around 300 bears just this year since January.

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And I can say wholeheartedly that that's the last thing that we ever want to do is

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use the NIs a bear for being a bear. But I've noticed a lot of issues within the town of gypsum.

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And I think that moving forward some more management around trash cans would be a lot more helpful

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and preventing additional issues because this isn't going to be the last bad barrier that we're

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going to have.

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Thank you.

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Jeremy can ask question there, I thought, and just goes back to Jeff's three, but I thought

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we had a number of additional bear cans available, are they just, are we out of stock?

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No, we have, we have cans available.

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You can either get regular cans or a bear resistant canister.

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the bear resistant canister has a higher cost monthly pickup fee because it pays for the

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can across time. We've got a normal 95 gallon can mill. You can help me out on this. I think

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it's about 90 dollars and a bear resistant can is about 550. So it's quite a lot more costly.

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But we do have them available in our yard. People can ask for that service at any time and we can

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provide it, apparently.

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Yes, because what's the additional cost per month if you have a bear can or a regular

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can?

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It's about $30, $39 a month for the bear can and about $25 for the regular can.

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See, that's where I've been getting different numbers because it was 13 the other day,

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a month delivery, or you could buy the can and it was 850 so I went and looked at the

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and if you bought a thousand of them, and it would be $5.50 with a $5 delivered charge if you're going to put it on.

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We'll take a look at it.

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I'll take a look at it.

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But I would be nice to be able to buy the can, and not pay the extra charge because the equipment

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as soon as these cans stomp upside down, they automatically open, so there's no extra cost to the drivers.

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Thank you, guys.

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Thank you.

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If anybody has any additional questions on various issues and stuff, I'm available afterwards, too.

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And if I could point out one point, the question was earlier by Jeremy on a call and then

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Courtney clarified it as it would be nice if you could, it'd be a good idea if it would

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work to say, hey, until bear tries to somebody's garbage can, we won't force them to have

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a bear proof can.

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That doesn't work with bears because once the bear is there, it's coming back.

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Once the bearers learn how to get food, then it's going to be-

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Got it.

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Thanks, guys.

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Thank you.

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Appreciate your time.

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Thank you for coming in.

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All right.

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Our next item of business is Resolution Number 24.

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Series 2026.

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A Resolution Confirming Town Manager, Administrative Order.

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2026-4.

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We're building stage two fire restrictions.

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And imposing stage one fire restrictions.

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Yeah, so this is pretty straightforward. We've been in stage two fire restrictions most of the summer

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It's still relatively high fire danger, but it's come down a little bit. So the other districts have recommended that we go down to stage one

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And this is our mechanism for doing so. Thanks Jeremy any questions

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I'd like to make a motion that we approve resolution number 24 series 2026 we have a motion to approve

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resolution number 24, series 2026, Colin Faber, I, all opposed, I'm going to

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All right, the next item on the agenda is resolution number 25, series 2026, resolution of the town of gypsum approving assignment and assumption of sub-division improvement agreement for the tower center filing number 2, final plat and sub-division improvement agreements.

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James and Lana?

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Yes, I'm taking this over for James. James has been working on this pretty closely with Doug Stahlworthy at a Katherine's office.

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But since James got married on Saturday, we went ahead and gave him a couple of days off.

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So we would have had this on the agenda last, your last council meeting, but we didn't

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quite get the language, solidified, and agreed to by all parties in order to make that timeline

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for the packet deadline.

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But this basically assigns any of the obligations, now I'm sure you're very familiar with

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the colonial ammonia being the commercial side of the tower center project and Mark Foster and his team with Hill Point being the residential component.

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Because Hill Point will now be taking over and finishing up some of the streets and improvements in winter set and some future streets.

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It's basically assigning those same responsibilities and obligations to the town for their portion, so it's pretty much simply just an assignment.

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partial assignments to Mark. So we would recommend your approval of this resolution.

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I was going to make a motion and less so and has any discussion.

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Requestions. Okay. I make a motion to approve resolution number five series 2026.

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We have a motion to approve resolution number 25 series number 2026.

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Any further discussion by the council? All those in favor?

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Aye.

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Well, those opposed? Motion carries. And I turn the meeting back over to Scott.

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Okay, how are the items? Treatop, child, advocacy, center update? Wendy, welcome.

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The training and some other things, I'm not able to, but we have a new executive director,

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and I wanted to take this opportunity to introduce her, Wendy Petro.

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So she has taken a treat up above the beyond and I hope you can get your attention

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as she shares tonight, our reviewed vision and our reviewed services to our families

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and alternatives.

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Thank you for the for the senior everyone's in.

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Thank you Thomas.

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Okay.

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So the treat up at Child Advocacy Center located in Breckenridge and we are, we serve children

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and clear creek, eagle, lake, and summit counties.

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We are working this year.

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I think you all got a pack in your packet.

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You got our strategic goals for this coming year.

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And we're working very hard to improve our services

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and to improve our sustainability financially speaking.

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And you can see our mission and our vision there in your packet.

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We do forensic interviewing as well as victim advocacy

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at for that for the 5th Judicial District at our center.

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This slide just gives you a little bit of background on the CAC model, the child advocacy

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center model.

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Basically, it was founded in 1985.

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The first one was in Huntsville, Alabama.

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The Tree Top Child Advocacy Center was established in 2018, and it's an organization that

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enables children that have experienced abuse, or witnessed a crime, to come and do a

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and tell their story one time. And we work with law enforcement as well as DHS and other

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advocates that to help children be able to tell their story to, you know, to help whatever

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process is necessary for that particular case. Our multidisciplinary team is includes law enforcement

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the HS scene.

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Advocate District Attorney and Mental Health. And we do the multidisciplinary teams as the collaboration of professionals to help these kids and these families deal with these types of situations.

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Here's just some statistics on the number of children and direct victims that we've helped over the last several years in regards to forensic interviewing.

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And this gives a little snapshot of the county, some at county.

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We have the most presence in some at county, our offices in Breckenridge.

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And we also serve as Lake County Eagle County.

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And we want to increase our presence in Eagle County,

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be able to help more families.

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We just received a $15,000 grant from Avail Valley Cares,

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and to help with wraparound services and decrease the barriers

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to families being able to get to recognize to our facility where we have our child advocacy center

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that has the capabilities to conduct these types of interviews.

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It's the cost of care for

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per child is about $3850, $3850, which includes all of these items here that are listed here,

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the forensic interviewing, the advocacy and crisis support for the family, a trauma-in-form mental

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health care, we have lots of relationships with these types of organizations within the region,

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coordination of law enforcement and child welfare, and we just recently hired a bilingual forensic

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interviewer full-time at our organization and long-term follow-up for continued support for these families.

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You'll notice in your packet you have a pro forma which extends our financial plan out several years,

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But I wanted to just simplify it with these tie graphs, but you'll notice on that document it does, you know, as we all know grant funding is decreasing.

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Whether it's federal grants and state grants and there's some statistics on the handout that you receive that has the entire performer.

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But because of that, our kind of capital structure is shifting in 2027.

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And it includes more of a government pledged income type of components, and that's, you know, why we are here today to ask you to include some funding for treetop in your 2027 budget.

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We put some, I wanted to be able to share our community contributors over the past, well,

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2025 and 2026. You'll notice the town of Jiftsom was very generous in 2025 with a $20,000

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pledge. We did not receive a pledge from Jiftsom in 2026. We are asking for a 5% increase because

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we are having to lean more on our government pledge income to continue to do this good work for

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families, and so we are requesting a $21,000 pledge from the townships and for $20,27.

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So thank you for the time and the opportunity to talk to you about this.

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That also there you can see on the strategic plan summary that was in your packet.

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If you had a chance to look at that, we are one of our main goals is to achieve

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National Children's Alliance accreditation, we will be submitting our application to the NCA in the next couple of weeks.

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We are expanding community awareness and referral partnerships, which is one of the reasons that we're here tonight to make sure that you are aware of the work that we're doing for the families in your community as well as the larger community people can.

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The strength and family advocacy and forensic interviewing services, and I increase our financial

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sustainability and development capacity as I mentioned previously.

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So I have joined TREOTOP as their executive director.

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I do have background in nonprofit work with CU with the School of Medicine at the University

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of Colorado, and I'm working hard to expand our awareness in the communities for this type

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work and to have a more robust development program for this organization as well as other

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CACs in the state and working in conjunction with them and other M.D.K. partners.

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Is that end to anything else?

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These are some of our other donors that help our organization and this is just once again

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the $3,250 carries one child in their family from crisis to healing.

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So, any questions?

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Does anybody have any questions?

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Anything I can clarify for you to consider this request?

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I do.

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So we just tell me what the referral process is.

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I'm wondering if we'll just, if you'll just tell me what the referral process is for our family for a child.

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If there is a, you know, something that at, you know, a case that ends up or a complaint that ends up with a law enforcement agency, the law enforcement agency will contact the child advocacy center and request a forensic interview.

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So that's how the forensic interviews are referred to our center.

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And then we will do the forensic interview for that law enforcement agency.

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And then we'll invite DHS and the MDT is the multi-disciplinary team that witnesses the interview in a separate room while a child is being interviewed.

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If there's a disclosure made up of abuse, then obviously that's something that could potentially be,

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you know,

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for the forensic interviewing, we also provide advocacy services that we don't need a referral

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to do that because we have lots of connections in the community with these types of resources

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for families, even if there isn't a forensic interview per cent.

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And it seems to me thinking about Eagle County and just having a little pulse on what you

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do that we wouldn't, I mean when I look at the numbers, we're significantly lower than

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some of it, and Breckenrich.

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But I know that's not true as far as the need.

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So how are we missing a step with referrals?

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Or, I don't think so.

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I mean, we get referrals from the Eagle County Sheriff's Office

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and we're working with the, you know, the DA's office

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and making sure that everybody's aware that we're available.

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We also, there is a CAC because of the way

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the edges of Eagle County,

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there's a CSC in Glenwood Springs, and we always want to send the families to the close

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and close to convenient for them. And I think there's been, because we've been so focused

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in some account, we haven't been around very long, and there's been some challenges for

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tree top. And I think that the community awareness has been lower, and that's why we're trying

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to increase that, to make sure that everybody understands that we're there. We're also getting

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the grants that will lower the barriers for families to travel to Breckenridge.

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We do have a mobile unit, we don't, you know, that's not optimal, but we're working with

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the sheriff's office because they do have an advocacy space and an forensic interview space

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there.

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They evil county.

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These sheriff's office.

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Okay.

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So we've been working with them, as well, which I think is what Thomas was trying to take

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in day.

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So we're working to just have a bigger presence within the county since it is part of our judicial

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district.

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Does that answer your question?

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Any other questions?

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I can answer for anyone.

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No, just thank you.

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I mean, it's a huge look for what you guys do.

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And it's so important.

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Yeah, it is.

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It's a difficult situation, but we, um,

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It's good work that we do.

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So we, we would appreciate any support from from the town.

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So thank you so much.

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Yeah, we will have it in a budget discussion.

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So thank you.

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Thank you.

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Next item is the town security camera discussion.

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Chairman, will I let you take this one?

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Yeah, so let me just point out here initially.

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So there's going to be two distinct discussions tonight.

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One is just town for additional security cameras that

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surveyed a lot of public assets and Jesse

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will walk through, generally how that all works,

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what they do, what they don't do.

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The reason we're bringing this discussion

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before the council and before the public

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is we're not living in a closet.

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we've been, you know, seeing the public discourse and people's interests in these topics and want

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to make sure that we have a really good robust public discussion where everybody has the same

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information and facts from which to make decisions. So this first discussion tonight, this agenda

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item is only focused on traditional security infrastructure that we've got around town and then we've

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got a upcoming agenda item here later in the agenda that's focused on license plate readers.

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This first came to my attention, I think I started reading some news about conflicts and public

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outcry and concern over in Payonia regarding some of the camera installations in their community.

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And so, and again, in an effort to be transparent, I think we want to just talk about what

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we have as far as the infrastructure, what it does, what it doesn't do, and just get the

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information out there.

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So with that, Jesse, if you can lead us away, that'd be great.

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How's it going?

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It's a lot different beyond this.

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I'm going to sit back there.

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So like Jeremy said, we're trying to bring attention

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to all the cameras we're using, what kind of technology we are using.

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So, the cameras we use, use AI technology, but it's not in the, you know, like, flock style, where it's connected to a centralized database.

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All the information is just stored here locally, just like an old-style CCTV system.

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The AI that's being used is basically for just the user to be able to find stuff like shows movements, but vehicle goes by or if it's an animal or stuff like that, just identifying things.

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All the data is just stored locally here.

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We don't have any access to host-side data sources,

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so we can take a picture of Scott Green

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and say, help with that Scott Green from the video.

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It wouldn't be able to do that.

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It could identify like stuff like

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anyone that's wearing a red shirt.

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It could pick up that kind of stuff,

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but it wouldn't be able to say,

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who that person is or anything like that.

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The camera placements we just have in

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You know, the town owned area is like the water tanks, the parks, roundabouts, around the town buildings, like the offices here,

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more for security than for surveillance or anything like that.

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We use three main camera companies, and that's Monoview, Unify, and Verkata.

456
00:36:19,660 --> 00:36:27,080
All of them, the amount of you is still just a basic CCTV system doesn't have any AI capabilities.

457
00:36:28,220 --> 00:36:35,860
Unify as some AI capabilities, I face recognition and human recognition, but most of the guardrails I've turned on.

458
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:42,000
So I can't do too much identification as mainly for movement or recognizing those as a pattern.

459
00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:49,460
For Cata, we use those in areas that have no network connections with use a cellular

460
00:36:49,460 --> 00:36:51,600
data chip, connect with them.

461
00:36:51,780 --> 00:36:57,760
So I have main reason we went with Cata, that has most of us, all of us, like, guardrails

462
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:02,020
up to, like, no data sharing with a Cata company or anything like that.

463
00:37:03,060 --> 00:37:10,240
It does store some analytic data for metadata, like heat maps, or motion indexing, but

464
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:16,360
not like providing facial structure or her patterns of walking or anything like that to

465
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:23,900
Verkata. And we opted out of all of their sharing of data like to help better their cameras

466
00:37:23,900 --> 00:37:30,460
or whatever their like this it is. We've been seeing within all legal compliance within the

467
00:37:30,460 --> 00:37:36,860
city of Colorado. Some of the things we turned off is audio recording. We don't have any audio

468
00:37:36,860 --> 00:37:42,510
recording on anything. We only retain information for 60 days unless, of course, there's

469
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:48,980
like the police need the information or something like that. We have only specific people

470
00:37:48,980 --> 00:37:54,800
can access the data and then we have a record of who access the data and what time and how long

471
00:37:54,800 --> 00:38:01,540
so we can provide that if there's any reason for people who think that's not being handled correctly.

472
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:14,880
But yeah, as main goal was to not take people's data because I'm not a big fan of taking people's data anyways, and I have to go to all these sites too, so rather than I have my information on there.

473
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,960
So, but if you have any questions, I can help with that.

474
00:38:21,620 --> 00:38:30,600
I know, and thank you for that update, when I first got on council, the bathrooms up here, for example, we're getting wrecked.

475
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,380
It seemed like once a week.

476
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,720
I believe there's a camera up there at the top of the hill on that crack.

477
00:38:38,140 --> 00:38:41,080
The bathroom is that health cure that.

478
00:38:41,140 --> 00:38:43,800
I haven't had any updates on there.

479
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:44,840
It's healthy and something.

480
00:38:44,940 --> 00:38:48,880
It's helped, although we did have one recent kind of endolism thing.

481
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,960
again that happened during a baseball tournament so you couldn't tell exactly which person

482
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,140
went in and did it because there were so many people in and out but yeah it's reduced the problem.

483
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:03,500
And then the other big one was the skate park. That was a multi-million dollar investment

484
00:39:03,500 --> 00:39:11,000
by us and various groups and I believe there's one there that came up late after the fact

485
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:18,420
on a grant, if I remember correctly, but I know the skate park down here at quite a bit of

486
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:25,980
vandalism here and there. So I hope that that's helping. I think that was the purpose

487
00:39:25,980 --> 00:39:32,200
on most season, and some of our life safety issues on our actual security cameras. I mean,

488
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:40,000
we need our first job is to provide safe utilities to our residents. I think cameras in those

489
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,140
locations in my opinion are important.

490
00:39:53,490 --> 00:39:55,490
Anybody have questions? I have one more.

491
00:39:56,730 --> 00:39:59,970
And I think it's probably a deeper dive.

492
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:07,800
I've just making sure that all of our policies are written clear and in terms of how long it's kept

493
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:14,520
who has access to this set in the other. And I, you know, fairly aware that they are, but I'm

494
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:19,920
it doesn't hurt to look at them a second time and make sure we're square there. Yeah, and actually

495
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:24,600
that was the other thing I was going to direct you guys to. You should have seen in your packet a draft

496
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:30,220
a camera usage, I forget the exact title, policy, and put that in just for your

497
00:40:30,220 --> 00:40:34,120
edification so you can look through it, see if you have guidance or input on

498
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,400
how we might modify it or improve it.

499
00:40:37,260 --> 00:40:43,780
I don't think we're asking for a decision on anything tonight, but I think we would

500
00:40:43,780 --> 00:40:47,400
like, I think we would provide us with clarity given the public interest in the subject.

501
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,760
We want to make sure that we are handling everything appropriately, and so we might bring

502
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:57,500
back the policy for your adoption and acceptance, and I guess if you can give us any feedback

503
00:40:57,500 --> 00:41:01,180
on the one that you see in your packet whether there's any areas you'd like to see adjusted.

504
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:07,820
Katherine has reviewed that version, but didn't want to bring it to you for any decision

505
00:41:07,820 --> 00:41:09,620
to die that seemed a little too quick.

506
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:16,200
But just to clarify, I mean, the point of these is, you know, cameras are limited to town property.

507
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:21,520
the audio is off, the vendor data sharing is opted out and the footage is generally retained

508
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:27,920
no more than 60 days and it really is for the basic stuff that you would expect CCTV surveillance

509
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:34,600
cameras to do, you know, reduce vandalism, show you something that happened in a town park

510
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:40,760
at town facility that was violent and be able to bring people to justice. So, fairly straightforward.

511
00:41:42,460 --> 00:41:49,580
I guess I wasn't aware of exactly what this was, what we were doing here tonight, and I

512
00:41:49,580 --> 00:41:54,300
suggested somebody in the audience that there might be some public input, but I guess

513
00:41:54,300 --> 00:42:01,720
I'm wondering, you know, maybe it's a little premature for that, but is there any way that

514
00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:07,060
the public could see what we're proposing or the public can make some comments as to what

515
00:42:07,060 --> 00:42:12,860
they feel should be proposed before we go ahead and just do this as, you know, the council

516
00:42:12,860 --> 00:42:17,640
it seems like there should be some public input on this and I'm sure there's both sides

517
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:18,160
of the issue.

518
00:42:18,940 --> 00:42:19,540
Oh, yeah.

519
00:42:20,580 --> 00:42:21,460
Yeah, it's public business.

520
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:22,600
We'd be happy to do that.

521
00:42:22,700 --> 00:42:24,940
And I think I would like to maybe Katherine's guidance.

522
00:42:25,140 --> 00:42:29,520
She's worked with other communities and similar issues and can help us find an efficient

523
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:30,900
process for that.

524
00:42:31,060 --> 00:42:36,560
But yeah, tonight it was really just about education and then we're going to future meetings

525
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:43,100
where people come back and have discussion, I don't know, happy to do that.

526
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,900
I'm kind of assuming the most of the public input is probably going to come on the next

527
00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:53,980
agenda item, but I agree on this particular topic that I think it's a good idea that there

528
00:42:53,980 --> 00:43:01,160
is a formal policy, and I mean I think what you've put together so far is basic but straightforward

529
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:06,340
and covers most of it, and I think that, you know, I don't know, maybe there's the council

530
00:43:06,340 --> 00:43:11,760
else I'm in, put on this draft, but it does come back for us to formally adopt at some

531
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,000
point in the near future.

532
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,260
And just I just have one technical question on this.

533
00:43:18,780 --> 00:43:24,580
So do you, like, is it constantly monitored that, because you know how some AIs will just

534
00:43:24,580 --> 00:43:29,820
click themselves on, like, so that data collection will be, will be stored if you're not

535
00:43:29,820 --> 00:43:34,800
is constantly monitoring that. Hey, no, it's off button. We're not collecting it.

536
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:45,440
Did I do it? Did I? Did I? Did I? Did I? Did I? Did I? Did I? Did I? Did I? Did I? Did I? Did I? Did I? Did I? Did I? Did I? No, I lived here. And so we can turn on and off. Okay. So you just, you're, you're in control.

537
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:51,040
Yeah, it's just like, if you had just a regular camera running on it, you know, just a video camera running.

538
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,520
We can turn on and off. Okay. Thank you. Yeah.

539
00:43:56,900 --> 00:43:57,660
Any other questions?

540
00:44:00,870 --> 00:44:02,510
Thanks for the update. Yes. Thank you.

541
00:44:02,510 --> 00:44:07,750
Next item's license plate, Reader's discussion.

542
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:14,790
Do you ever want to get you going and introduce the officer Jordan Harrison?

543
00:44:16,990 --> 00:44:23,510
Yeah, so I'll just lead off and then deputy Jordan Harrison can he's got a presentation here.

544
00:44:24,410 --> 00:44:29,810
So again, this item is when we just wanted to bring to the public, so we're talking openly and transparently about this issue

545
00:44:29,810 --> 00:44:34,590
and can have all the same facts that we're working with.

546
00:44:36,350 --> 00:44:40,070
Let's see, where this issue started, actually, I think it was a call from Heath

547
00:44:40,070 --> 00:44:42,950
Mossnuss, who is one of our deputies, longtime deputies here in town.

548
00:44:43,110 --> 00:44:48,830
He called me, I believe, somewhere around December of 23 and said, hey, the Ego County

549
00:44:48,830 --> 00:44:54,030
Sheriff's Office has recently got an grant from the State of Colorado that's focused

550
00:44:54,030 --> 00:44:57,510
on vehicle theft issues, which are a really big problem at the time.

551
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:59,970
we're nearly leading the nation and vehicle theft.

552
00:45:00,270 --> 00:45:11,090
And said, hey, we got this grant, and we've got four automated license plate readers that we would like to put up at two intersections in town to help reduce theft of automobiles from the airport.

553
00:45:12,430 --> 00:45:20,210
And at the time, you know, there are police department and there the runs run in the show, and I said, yeah, sure, if you guys think that that makes sense, go for it.

554
00:45:20,410 --> 00:45:25,350
And so, to the comment that was made earlier, yes, I was the individual that approved that.

555
00:45:25,350 --> 00:45:30,070
And it's not because I have any particular love or any opinion on these cameras.

556
00:45:30,350 --> 00:45:34,390
It's that, you know, I'm speaking with, you know, a trusted resource in Heathmaskness

557
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:38,210
is one of our long-time deputies saying that he's got funding for this and that would

558
00:45:38,210 --> 00:45:40,370
help reduce crime in our community.

559
00:45:40,370 --> 00:45:41,930
And I said, sure, go for it.

560
00:45:42,130 --> 00:45:46,930
So those have been in place for two years and seven months since January 11th, the 2024.

561
00:45:48,590 --> 00:45:58,690
One other common I would make just to put it out there is that I just always, I'm an extremely curious person.

562
00:45:59,470 --> 00:46:06,070
That's probably why I'm involved in a job that has such a diversity of different topics and things to think about and problems to solve.

563
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:13,850
And one of the things that I find interesting about social movements in public input is like, hey, where do these things originate from?

564
00:46:13,850 --> 00:46:16,550
are they always natural or where do they come from?

565
00:46:17,130 --> 00:46:20,610
And in this particular case, there is a direct source

566
00:46:20,610 --> 00:46:22,850
of where all the deflox stuff came from.

567
00:46:22,970 --> 00:46:25,530
It was from a software engineer down in the southeast

568
00:46:25,530 --> 00:46:26,890
by the name of Will Freeman.

569
00:46:27,710 --> 00:46:30,310
He had done a cross-country drive across the country

570
00:46:30,310 --> 00:46:32,070
and it just started noticing, man,

571
00:46:32,090 --> 00:46:33,710
there's a lot of these all over the country.

572
00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:37,230
And as a side project, he started just mapping them

573
00:46:37,230 --> 00:46:39,410
and looking into him and creating an open source resource

574
00:46:39,410 --> 00:46:41,330
for tracking these around the country.

575
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:47,710
And, you know, one of the things that these are particularly good for is drug

576
00:46:47,710 --> 00:46:48,310
introduction.

577
00:46:48,690 --> 00:46:55,870
And so, again, the comment that was made earlier, I had, and I'm happy to say this publicly,

578
00:46:56,410 --> 00:47:01,010
had sent an email to Jordan Harrison on July 27th that I said, hey, Jordan has law enforcement

579
00:47:01,010 --> 00:47:05,150
looked into the source of where all this public outcry is originating and funding deflock

580
00:47:05,150 --> 00:47:06,030
type campaigns.

581
00:47:06,030 --> 00:47:11,570
It crosses my mind that organized crime, particularly drug cartels, might be wise to be funding

582
00:47:11,570 --> 00:47:15,470
such grassroots efforts, because these cameras are starting to make it harder to move

583
00:47:15,470 --> 00:47:15,890
product.

584
00:47:16,370 --> 00:47:20,810
And that seems like an investigation angle I would want to pursue just a thought.

585
00:47:21,650 --> 00:47:26,650
And so, again, that's just human curiosity, it's like I'm a freedom-loving person.

586
00:47:27,170 --> 00:47:33,150
I would want, I think, if it were up to me, I have a particular opinion on this subject,

587
00:47:33,150 --> 00:47:37,330
But it's the council's decision to decide what they're going to do in their community and

588
00:47:38,690 --> 00:47:40,910
To me, I just found that to be a very curious

589
00:47:41,590 --> 00:47:48,850
Thing because you want to know like hey, is it all will-free men or can we all be manipulated through other forces that are beyond our control?

590
00:47:49,590 --> 00:47:54,030
So without I'll leave it to Jordan Harrison to present

591
00:47:54,030 --> 00:47:56,630
What's going on in the community and we can go from there?

592
00:47:57,430 --> 00:48:03,010
Thank you council. We appreciate your time. So yeah, Mike Jeremy explained we were a awarded a grant

593
00:48:03,010 --> 00:48:06,790
through the state of Colorado to purchase some license plate readers to help combat out of that.

594
00:48:07,890 --> 00:48:14,450
When I was going through the grant and after we were awarded it I started to do research on what cameras would be best for our community.

595
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:22,530
I reached out to different law enforcement agencies across the country to hear what they were using, what successes they've had, what cons they've had.

596
00:48:22,970 --> 00:48:28,250
And the most common answer that I got was block cameras for cheap. You can get a lot of them. They'll cover a big area.

597
00:48:28,250 --> 00:48:32,310
or Motorola, the Johnson Solutions, which are the ones we currently have, they're a little

598
00:48:32,310 --> 00:48:34,970
bit more expensive, but they've been around for a lot longer.

599
00:48:35,290 --> 00:48:41,810
They are from a trusted public safety focused parent company that is strict where they're

600
00:48:41,810 --> 00:48:44,830
just compliance, their rules, their security stuff like that.

601
00:48:45,310 --> 00:48:50,050
So with that information, you know, we decided we were going to go with Motorola since they

602
00:48:50,050 --> 00:48:54,830
had those strict rules and stuff where you're not worried about information getting out

603
00:48:54,830 --> 00:48:58,330
or people being able to hack them and using whatever information

604
00:48:58,330 --> 00:49:01,050
that camera might have for nefarious means.

605
00:49:02,750 --> 00:49:05,550
So after we got the cameras, like I said,

606
00:49:05,730 --> 00:49:07,150
within being geared towards audit theft,

607
00:49:07,470 --> 00:49:09,870
I started doing research into where in our county

608
00:49:09,870 --> 00:49:11,970
have we had an influx of stolen vehicles?

609
00:49:13,490 --> 00:49:16,430
The common, the most frequent area was the airport.

610
00:49:16,770 --> 00:49:19,110
As I'm sure we all know people, go to the airport,

611
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:20,850
leave their cars unlocked, leave their keys

612
00:49:20,850 --> 00:49:23,010
and their rental cars are also a hot commodity

613
00:49:23,010 --> 00:49:30,590
to be stolen. And I'm like, my thinking was we can have these tools out here near the airport

614
00:49:30,590 --> 00:49:35,890
exits to where when people still vehicle from there, we know they're last known. Time to

615
00:49:35,890 --> 00:49:39,570
be a co- scene, last on direction of travel and it gives us a direct point of where we can start

616
00:49:39,570 --> 00:49:44,830
to focus on the direction of travel that vehicle and getting it recovered. You know, I'm sure

617
00:49:44,830 --> 00:49:49,010
we've all seen DIA as a hot spot for getting your car broken into or missing when you come

618
00:49:49,010 --> 00:49:54,330
communication. You know, I want to much smaller scale our airport has some of those same issues.

619
00:49:58,370 --> 00:49:59,970
So a couple of things that are

620
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:16,620
The cameras can do. They have an automatic alert system. So when a vehicle that has an associated arrest warrant, stolen vehicle hit, amber alert hit, drives through our cameras on alert pops out to our deputies and lets them know hey, this one vehicle just drove through our cameras.

621
00:50:17,140 --> 00:50:23,880
Our deputies are required to visually confirm the license plate to ensure that the license plate that was photographed is the correct one.

622
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:30,760
They have to run a check of that plate through our dispatch system to ensure that that alert is still active and valid.

623
00:50:31,380 --> 00:50:38,420
And then after that, they can begin to investigate and take enforcement action, whether that be getting a person in custody, recovering the stolen vehicle, recovering a kidnapped child.

624
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:48,800
It does not have any facial recognition, it does not have speed tracking, it doesn't issue any type of citations, anything like that.

625
00:50:48,820 --> 00:50:53,180
The camera does not do any enforcement, it just gives our deputies factual information saying,

626
00:50:53,180 --> 00:50:55,460
Hey, this vehicle went through these cameras,

627
00:50:55,500 --> 00:50:59,120
and this is the associated one to that it has.

628
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,820
The second capability is something we call a hot list.

629
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,260
So when an arrest warrant is issued for someone

630
00:51:07,260 --> 00:51:09,840
from the sheriff's office, it is not automatically

631
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,840
associated to that individual's license plate.

632
00:51:12,140 --> 00:51:14,600
Typically, the courts do that during a failure

633
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,160
to appear, failure to comply, on vehicle-related crimes.

634
00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:19,600
So if we have a suspect that we're looking for

635
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,740
for a burglary or domestic violence or something like that,

636
00:51:22,740 --> 00:51:26,260
that arrest warrant is not automatically going to go and be attached to his license plate.

637
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,760
So what we can do is we can go in and take that license plate and hotlist it.

638
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,200
So, and it's the same thing once it's hotlisted in our system.

639
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:39,000
If that vehicle drives through one of the cameras, it alerts our deputies and we're able to go and

640
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,880
arrest that suspect to whether it be the burglary suspect, the domestic violence suspect,

641
00:51:43,580 --> 00:51:47,460
something to that degree. And again, it's that same procedure that our deputies have to do with

642
00:51:47,460 --> 00:51:51,340
checking the license plate, confirming that it is the correct read

643
00:51:51,340 --> 00:51:53,920
and that that active want is still valid.

644
00:51:54,960 --> 00:52:00,120
Right now for our agency, the only people who can put a hot list on a plate are detectives,

645
00:52:00,460 --> 00:52:05,380
our drug task force, the sergeants, and myself as the agency administrator on it.

646
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,780
Single deputies, you know, just working the road, do not have that function or that ability

647
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,020
to go out and put that alert on.

648
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:17,480
It also creates checks and balances so that when that person is under, you know, placing

649
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:22,500
in the custody, the sergeant, the detective, the drug task force member, or myself, no, hey,

650
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,460
we need to go get that removed from the system since it's no longer valid.

651
00:52:25,820 --> 00:52:27,840
So that's something we all take care of on our end.

652
00:52:28,540 --> 00:52:31,900
And then the third function is the historical, historical search.

653
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,460
So currently, the sheriff's office retains data for 60 days.

654
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:38,640
We actually just recently changed it.

655
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:44,100
We felt that 60 days, it's a lot less in the state mandated retention, automatic

656
00:52:44,100 --> 00:52:49,460
population period, we felt that 60 days was enough to where we could get valuable information

657
00:52:49,460 --> 00:52:54,940
for our investigations, but still respect privacy concerns that come with the storage

658
00:52:54,940 --> 00:52:56,100
license plate information.

659
00:52:56,660 --> 00:53:02,540
So after 60 days, the photos that it takes automatically, automatically, and cannot be accessed.

660
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:07,940
Those photos are actually secured on the Evo County Sheriff's Office server that is hosted

661
00:53:07,940 --> 00:53:13,200
through Motorola, and we are in total control of who gets access to those photos and who

662
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,200
doesn't get access to them and what they're done with.

663
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:21,860
These have been, this historical search has been extremely useful, again, and tracking fresh

664
00:53:21,860 --> 00:53:25,780
stolen vehicles that haven't entered the system yet, so we can know which way they're

665
00:53:25,780 --> 00:53:26,280
going.

666
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:31,320
It's been helpful in tracking people who are going through crisis with suicidal ideations.

667
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:37,700
We have been able to use this to find a direction to travel and try and get to them and offer

668
00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:43,560
help and resources. And again, this search function is not open to the whole agency. It's only

669
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:48,560
sergeants, detectives, drug task force, and myself. And again, we'd like to have that within

670
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:53,580
our policy, because it's a strict checks and balances to where our sergeants are detectives.

671
00:53:53,780 --> 00:53:56,780
We are ensuring that they're being done only for criminal justice purposes.

672
00:54:01,720 --> 00:54:03,340
So with our shares,

673
00:54:03,620 --> 00:54:08,640
we do share them locally with, we are not currently sharing with any federal agencies. We do

674
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,040
We share them locally with our regional partners.

675
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:16,280
White Jeremy was saying it has been huge and our drug and addiction efforts on the

676
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:16,720
interstate.

677
00:54:17,140 --> 00:54:22,000
These camera systems have resulted in the seizure of well over 1,000 pounds of illegal narcotics

678
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,420
being smuggled through Eagle County.

679
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:30,840
That would not be possible without the regional network sharing that we have in the Las Vegas

680
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:35,380
Metropolitan Police Department, San Bernardino County Sheriff's Office, a lot of those

681
00:54:35,380 --> 00:54:40,600
agencies that are along the major interstate systems who do the same, and it's the same with them.

682
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,800
They've had, you know, I've been able to help them with their cases, they've been able to help

683
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:50,500
plus with our cases, the information sharing has been vital in fighting that criminal element that is

684
00:54:50,500 --> 00:54:54,940
smuggling money and guns down south of the border and smuggling drugs back north of the border

685
00:54:54,940 --> 00:54:59,880
into our community. Again, like I said, with our photos.

686
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:06,440
Deleted after 60 days. Those agencies are unable to see anything that is before that. So they can only

687
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,480
see what photos we allow them to.

688
00:55:12,530 --> 00:55:15,170
Our system's do maintain records that allow it's used to be

689
00:55:15,170 --> 00:55:19,690
audited. So I can go in. I can see the reason why someone might have done the historical

690
00:55:19,690 --> 00:55:26,390
search. Why someone has created a hot list, even though so far as to if any one of our

691
00:55:27,050 --> 00:55:30,430
if any one of our detectives, drug task force members,

692
00:55:30,830 --> 00:55:34,110
create a hot list for an active warrant.

693
00:55:34,230 --> 00:55:36,750
They might be trying to look for me,

694
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:39,730
Deputy Hard Meow, and Detective Sergeant Walts,

695
00:55:39,790 --> 00:55:42,150
I'll get notified so that we can also keep tabs on it

696
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:43,850
and make sure that once that person is in custody,

697
00:55:43,850 --> 00:55:44,430
it's deleted.

698
00:55:45,030 --> 00:55:47,990
So there is a pretty good checks and balances system already

699
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:50,890
in place that we follow pretty strictly.

700
00:55:55,950 --> 00:55:57,730
Again, like I said, they don't use facial recognition.

701
00:55:57,730 --> 00:56:03,970
They're not an enforcement arm that we're using it just purely is giving us factual information on how we can use it

702
00:56:03,970 --> 00:56:07,250
And especially with them being geared towards auto theft and coming out of the airport

703
00:56:07,250 --> 00:56:09,150
It's been extremely successful in that

704
00:56:09,790 --> 00:56:15,150
When you give you guys a few case highlights first cases here at the airport itself

705
00:56:15,890 --> 00:56:21,410
About two years ago we had a stolen vehicle individual came out to this car after returning home from a trip founded missing

706
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:26,470
Did not know when it was taken just knows that he left it here prior to his trip and now it's gone

707
00:56:27,350 --> 00:56:31,490
For this incident, I was actually working over an algebra, so I heard this and once we got

708
00:56:31,490 --> 00:56:35,490
to play, I started doing a check of the vehicle to see which way it went and I was able

709
00:56:35,490 --> 00:56:39,710
to see that it went through our highway six and valley road head towards the inner state.

710
00:56:40,050 --> 00:56:42,890
So, you know, the reason I was first was to assume they were probably going westbound.

711
00:56:44,290 --> 00:56:48,450
What I also found on there was that five minutes before my search, the stolen vehicle had actually

712
00:56:48,450 --> 00:56:53,290
driven through a camera in Mesa County and left the state of Colorado into Utah.

713
00:56:53,290 --> 00:56:59,010
I was able to reach out to the Grand County Sheriff's office in Utah, and within an hour of that call for service,

714
00:56:59,130 --> 00:57:00,850
we had that individual's vehicle recovered.

715
00:57:01,570 --> 00:57:04,250
There was zero damage to his car and a person in custody.

716
00:57:05,630 --> 00:57:10,270
Without that camera, it probably would have taken a substantial longer amount of time to get that vehicle back,

717
00:57:10,490 --> 00:57:12,610
and who knows what kind of condition it would have gone into.

718
00:57:14,050 --> 00:57:16,450
Second example is again here in gypsum.

719
00:57:17,850 --> 00:57:22,570
About two years ago, we had that there was an individual who blew up the house in Palacid.

720
00:57:23,110 --> 00:57:26,350
during that incident, it resulted in the death of a person.

721
00:57:27,010 --> 00:57:28,430
So this individual was wanted for homicide,

722
00:57:28,730 --> 00:57:32,530
but because of the recentness of the crime,

723
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:33,830
you know, it was still in the process.

724
00:57:34,070 --> 00:57:35,190
Warrants weren't in the system.

725
00:57:35,890 --> 00:57:37,930
We were notified that his cell phone had peaked

726
00:57:37,930 --> 00:57:39,950
and showed him driving around gypsum in the needle.

727
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:43,350
So because it didn't have that automatic alert

728
00:57:43,350 --> 00:57:45,590
to let our deputies know from the court system

729
00:57:45,590 --> 00:57:46,710
that he was driving around,

730
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:49,330
I went in, I was able to hotlisten his plate

731
00:57:50,250 --> 00:57:54,270
And it would ensure that if he hit one of our cameras in the town of gypsum, that our

732
00:57:54,270 --> 00:57:58,070
deputies would know about his movements, we'd be able to go and get him into custody,

733
00:57:58,490 --> 00:58:01,570
especially with him being such a public safety threat that he was.

734
00:58:02,830 --> 00:58:06,010
The really interesting thing I find with this one is I wasn't even in the state of

735
00:58:06,010 --> 00:58:06,790
Colorado at the time.

736
00:58:07,130 --> 00:58:11,890
I was in Tahoe for my buddy's bachelor party, but because of how big of a public safety

737
00:58:11,890 --> 00:58:16,710
concern this was, I was able to go in and hot with what our guys were out searching for

738
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:19,930
this dangerous suspect, you know, when it's just to ensure that our

739
00:58:19,930 --> 00:58:22,970
deputies are safe, the general public is safe, and that we can get this

740
00:58:22,970 --> 00:58:25,890
individual and custody and off the streets before someone else gets hurt.

741
00:58:27,090 --> 00:58:30,330
And then this final example is pretty different.

742
00:58:30,690 --> 00:58:36,130
It's not something you hear commonly with arguments for the use of LPRs.

743
00:58:36,550 --> 00:58:39,690
This is a historical search I helped our detective unit out with.

744
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:42,690
So they weren't investigating a major burglary that occurred somewhere on

745
00:58:42,690 --> 00:58:48,890
Corporate to Eagle County, during that investigation, the victims identified a potential suspect

746
00:58:48,890 --> 00:58:52,470
in the vehicle that they were driving, you know, thinking that this individual might have

747
00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:56,090
been responsible for breaking into their house and stealing a large amount of money or gun

748
00:58:56,090 --> 00:58:57,270
to whatever it was.

749
00:58:57,650 --> 00:59:01,830
At the request of the detective unit, I conducted some research on this individual, and I found

750
00:59:01,830 --> 00:59:05,390
that during the date of the burglary, he was nowhere near Eagle County.

751
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:09,510
He was in Durango, which exonerated him from any suspicion.

752
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:15,630
And so not our only are these cameras being used to help bring people to justice, but it's

753
00:59:15,630 --> 00:59:17,550
also helping avoid false arrest.

754
00:59:17,570 --> 00:59:22,710
It's also helping exonerate people and clear leads to where people who are truly innocent,

755
00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:27,170
we are able to verify and say, yes, we can come back and say, this was easy enough.

756
00:59:27,330 --> 00:59:28,350
This guy is not on our radar.

757
00:59:28,490 --> 00:59:33,730
We don't need to bring him in for questioning it, avoid any potential mishat or wrongful criminal

758
00:59:33,730 --> 00:59:35,350
charges being followed against someone.

759
00:59:35,350 --> 00:59:42,690
Again, like I said, the purpose of our LPR, our license plate readers is not to surveil

760
00:59:42,690 --> 00:59:43,130
people.

761
00:59:43,570 --> 00:59:48,230
It's just to have that factual information that can help dictate which way our investigation

762
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:49,050
might go.

763
00:59:49,390 --> 00:59:54,950
It's a very objective piece of information where we can use an exact vote of saying, we know

764
00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:59,910
this vehicle was here at this exact date at this exact time, and it can help prove a case.

765
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:11,180
It can help prove someone's innocence. You know, and I think they've been an extremely valuable tool within the state of Colorado, like Jeremy said, at the time, we were top five in the nation for autofots.

766
01:00:11,660 --> 01:00:27,560
That's gone down considerably. I know, it's a hot, you know, hot topic. And I agree. I think it's something that we all need to say on top on something that we at the sheriff's office need to make sure that we are doing our checks and balances, and that we are meeting the people's trust.

767
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:31,720
You know, when they ask for examples, when they ask for the auditing, when they do those

768
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:36,340
Korra, requests that we can readily give them that information available so they have it,

769
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:41,740
and that they trust that we're using the technology and good faith and that, you know,

770
01:00:41,820 --> 01:00:43,680
it's in the best interest of the community.

771
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:51,060
I have a couple of questions.

772
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:58,380
Obviously, the term fought cameras have started to be used really generically,

773
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:00,420
and I understand that this is part of a different network.

774
01:01:00,420 --> 01:01:03,380
And still, I think, a lot of the public concerns

775
01:01:03,380 --> 01:01:07,220
are surround the access to the data,

776
01:01:07,620 --> 01:01:10,520
this is how the door to data is stored to share it with.

777
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:14,040
The question I would have for you is, one of our residents,

778
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,780
it was here at the meeting tonight that's committed no crime,

779
01:01:18,100 --> 01:01:18,740
just that nothing wrong.

780
01:01:19,020 --> 01:01:20,120
They're driving home tonight.

781
01:01:20,860 --> 01:01:24,340
Last one of the LPRs, the Sheriff's Office has here in town.

782
01:01:26,940 --> 01:01:29,460
And they're picked up on that camera.

783
01:01:29,460 --> 01:01:37,700
question I would have is who can see that data? How long can they see it for?

784
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:40,960
And what

785
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:46,240
prevents somebody from searching that residents data, their information, their

786
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:54,200
movements without they're being a legitimate law enforcement reason, you know, for

787
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:59,460
something like that to search that person's movements. You can kind of answer those

788
01:01:59,460 --> 01:01:59,740
question.

789
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:02,240
So, yeah.

790
01:02:02,420 --> 01:02:06,520
So, first thing, you know, for example, say you leave here and you drive through the intersection

791
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:11,360
of Valley Road in Highway 6, a photograph is going to be taken up your license plate, and

792
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:15,440
that photograph is going to remain in our system for 60 days and then that's automatically

793
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:16,360
going to be deleted.

794
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:22,620
In order for it to be searched, like I said, it has to be done by our major crimes unit, our

795
01:02:22,620 --> 01:02:24,420
drug task force or the sergeants.

796
01:02:24,660 --> 01:02:28,540
You know, and our major crimes unit is particularly pretty busy, so they're not going to be

797
01:02:28,540 --> 01:02:31,320
of searching any random everyday persons vehicle,

798
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,660
saying with our drug task force, our sergeants

799
01:02:34,660 --> 01:02:37,220
are basically our buffer between patrol,

800
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,460
having a limited access to that search function

801
01:02:39,460 --> 01:02:43,360
and having access to it through a very moderated means.

802
01:02:44,060 --> 01:02:47,760
So in order for a patrol deputy to look up your license plate,

803
01:02:48,060 --> 01:02:49,240
they have to go through a sergeant,

804
01:02:49,460 --> 01:02:50,540
they have to provide a case number

805
01:02:50,540 --> 01:02:53,140
and they have to provide an authorized criminal justice purpose.

806
01:02:54,940 --> 01:02:57,300
It's not just a deputy can't just go in and say,

807
01:02:57,300 --> 01:03:05,280
I want that car looks interesting. I want to search it for no reason. It's got to go for those two reasons and it has to basically be approved by a sergeant or someone within the command staff

808
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:14,080
So we have that internal auditing already to make sure that it's not being used, you know, for nefarious means and

809
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:15,580
Then what I'm sorry, what was the third part?

810
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:20,500
Third part of my question we just what prevents somebody and it sounds like

811
01:03:21,140 --> 01:03:26,880
Within the sheriff's office you have some pretty tech controls on all of that, but I guess we're more my question

812
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:38,620
You mentioned the data shared with regional partners what would prevent somebody from outside the sheriff's office who has access to that information from using it or

813
01:03:38,620 --> 01:03:51,000
My third part of my question was, you know, what prevents somebody from searching that residents that person's movements through that network without a legitimate law enforcement reason to do so.

814
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:56,520
So I mean, typically how it would work is you'd have to have that license plate, right?

815
01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:02,380
So they'd have to have some license plate, you know, there's no telling what reason someone

816
01:04:02,380 --> 01:04:06,180
might search for for another agency, what criminal investigated, or there is a reason because

817
01:04:06,180 --> 01:04:07,680
they also have to put in their case number and stuff.

818
01:04:08,060 --> 01:04:11,460
But it's something where I can also audit the outside agency reads.

819
01:04:11,860 --> 01:04:16,060
So I do regularly check those and ensure that they're in compliance with our state laws,

820
01:04:16,060 --> 01:04:19,300
you know, and what is authorized by the Sheriff's Office.

821
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:23,000
You know, if I see, and I haven't seen anything yet,

822
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,460
but if I were to see something where it's like,

823
01:04:25,460 --> 01:04:27,920
you know, a local guy doing immigration enforcement,

824
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:29,620
abortion rights, something like that,

825
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:31,900
I would go in and remove that agency entirely

826
01:04:31,900 --> 01:04:33,540
from receiving any of our data.

827
01:04:34,020 --> 01:04:35,060
You know, so like I said, it's something,

828
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:36,660
within our policy at the Sheriff's Office,

829
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:38,860
I run internal audits quarterly.

830
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:43,040
So I check agency audits and then external agency audits,

831
01:04:43,180 --> 01:04:44,940
and I say, pretty on top of it,

832
01:04:44,940 --> 01:04:50,860
I've had nothing of concern where I've had to remove an agency for using them, you know,

833
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:51,380
nefariously.

834
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:59,980
So you said it earlier, but just to clarify, this Motorola system...

835
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:07,600
Does it have a back door where same Motorola can come in and check your photo system, that kind of thing?

836
01:05:07,780 --> 01:05:13,580
Correct. Yeah, and that is a big part of the reason why we went with Motorola, is they have been around for so long.

837
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:20,000
They have so many government contracts between the local, states, and federal that they take their security extremely seriously.

838
01:05:20,740 --> 01:05:27,720
You know, they know that if they lose their seizure compliance through the federal agencies, that's going to kill their business.

839
01:05:28,340 --> 01:05:34,100
And we haven't seen anything on those default websites where you can go in and check your plate to see if it's been searched

840
01:05:34,100 --> 01:05:37,940
There's nothing similar for Motorola. It's an extremely secure platform

841
01:05:37,940 --> 01:05:44,580
It's not something that you're going to be able to stand underneath and hack. You know, and that was a big part of the reason why we went with them

842
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:57,160
These partnering agencies that you work with do they have to go through a process to get access to that information through you or your

843
01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:03,500
your department before they can have access to that or do they just always have access to that?

844
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:09,780
No, so the way vigilant does it is, and it differs between flock and vigilant.

845
01:06:10,140 --> 01:06:15,820
So with vigilant, our camera is, the agency is the owner of all photographs or all captures that that camera takes.

846
01:06:16,100 --> 01:06:19,840
Whereas, block the photographs end up belonging to the parent company.

847
01:06:20,420 --> 01:06:23,820
So we are able to strictly control who gets access to it.

848
01:06:23,820 --> 01:06:36,200
So, for us to, for another agency to see our stuff, they have to request chairs, typically, they, you know, if they give us shares, we reciprocate, especially with our regional partners here on the western coast for the drug introduction.

849
01:06:38,300 --> 01:06:50,200
But yeah, it's something that they just don't have access to. They have to get permission. They have to sign an MOU with us. They have to sign, you know, our MOU is our tailored to Colorado specification, such as no immigration enforcement.

850
01:06:51,580 --> 01:06:56,820
know abortion rights, you know, stuff like that that we can't enforce, our MOUs are designed

851
01:06:56,820 --> 01:06:59,080
and give them the same information.

852
01:07:05,930 --> 01:07:06,210
Another question.

853
01:07:06,450 --> 01:07:12,730
How many cameras does the sheriff's office own and operate in addition to the ones that

854
01:07:12,730 --> 01:07:13,110
are in gypsum?

855
01:07:14,250 --> 01:07:21,390
We have a total of six cameras in the county, so we have, they're both in our contracts that

856
01:07:21,390 --> 01:07:24,750
is there for here in the town to just two in the town of Midturn.

857
01:07:26,450 --> 01:07:31,170
We have tried to get some up on the interstate, because obviously we know that there's a

858
01:07:31,170 --> 01:07:35,550
ton of stolen vehicles that are hitting I-70, you know, a lot of our riff rap rolls in off

859
01:07:35,550 --> 01:07:37,350
of I-70 and causes tons of issues.

860
01:07:38,450 --> 01:07:43,310
Unfortunately, the state does not play very nice with putting stuff up in their right

861
01:07:43,310 --> 01:07:43,650
away.

862
01:07:44,350 --> 01:07:50,910
So when it came to the municipalities, you know, you guys maintain the right away here on

863
01:07:50,910 --> 01:07:54,650
highway six, on the exits towards from the airport.

864
01:07:55,550 --> 01:07:58,230
It's made it super easy for us to get the cameras up.

865
01:07:59,530 --> 01:08:01,850
Without the state of Colorado said, no way.

866
01:08:02,090 --> 01:08:03,670
Yes, we gave you this money, but no,

867
01:08:03,710 --> 01:08:05,330
we're not going to give you a place to put the cameras.

868
01:08:05,870 --> 01:08:08,430
No, we're as, and I appreciate the town of gypsum,

869
01:08:09,910 --> 01:08:11,650
assisting us in putting them in a place that

870
01:08:11,650 --> 01:08:15,410
made logical sense and has been useful in our investigations.

871
01:08:17,330 --> 01:08:25,230
kind of an off-the-wall question, but it keeps coming up in my research and kind of a couple

872
01:08:25,230 --> 01:08:30,310
different people bring it up as well. Common guy, if you wanted to know where I'm at or what

873
01:08:30,310 --> 01:08:37,690
I'm doing, is a local law enforcement agency, can you figure that out from my cell phone?

874
01:08:38,950 --> 01:08:44,590
Yeah, we do have to have an accident circumstance to do that. So most commonly, if that person

875
01:08:44,590 --> 01:08:50,690
is an imminent, is an imminent, harms way, you know, either from themselves or others.

876
01:08:51,270 --> 01:08:55,550
You know, so if we do it a lot with people who are lost out hiking, you know, and aren't

877
01:08:55,550 --> 01:08:57,610
going to survive the night, we can paint their cell phones.

878
01:08:58,150 --> 01:09:02,270
We do it a lot with people going through mental health crisis as you are, you know, making threats

879
01:09:02,270 --> 01:09:03,210
of ending their lives.

880
01:09:03,770 --> 01:09:09,830
And it's extremely hard out here in Colorado because our cell towers are so spread out, you

881
01:09:09,830 --> 01:09:13,450
know, when we do that, typically we'll get 2,000 meter ranges.

882
01:09:13,950 --> 01:09:18,730
You know, which 2000 meters can encompass the whole town of gypsum, you know, in a lot of

883
01:09:18,730 --> 01:09:19,270
cases.

884
01:09:20,190 --> 01:09:24,730
You know, so yes it is very possible if you go to the city, they just using yourself

885
01:09:24,730 --> 01:09:29,070
on law enforcement can probably get you down to the exact city block you're on.

886
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:37,080
Is there now or has there ever been the thought or discussion within the shares department

887
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:41,980
to utilize these for any other purpose than they are currently being used for such as immigration

888
01:09:41,980 --> 01:09:44,260
or any other thing like that?

889
01:09:44,260 --> 01:09:55,400
No, it's strictly against the law for us to cooperate with the Fed's, you know, an individual of law enforcement officer can help be health-siddily liable up to $50,000.

890
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:58,740
You know, so a lot of guys know that.

891
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:09,000
The state will go after it, will and should go after you in those instances for breaking the law, you know, and we have, like I said, there hasn't been any immigration stuff like that discussion.

892
01:10:09,300 --> 01:10:16,360
It's all purely even focused on automobile theft and, you know, what the purposes of the camera were for.

893
01:10:19,090 --> 01:10:20,270
Great. Any other questions?

894
01:10:22,450 --> 01:10:28,810
I think going back to your point Jeremy, you know, the bigger discussion when we get the policy around our cameras.

895
01:10:28,810 --> 01:10:36,310
I get some public input and kind of decide what we're going to be in a long range.

896
01:10:37,530 --> 01:10:45,070
I do know after working from the council perspective on our agreement, our contract,

897
01:10:45,210 --> 01:10:54,930
and our relationship with you guys is our talent officers that every bit of help we can

898
01:10:54,930 --> 01:10:57,410
yet, you know, a municipality, even the county,

899
01:10:57,710 --> 01:11:00,030
we're short-handed all the time with you guys.

900
01:11:00,890 --> 01:11:02,930
And we take it for granted, I think,

901
01:11:03,010 --> 01:11:05,870
is residents because you feel safe, for our safe.

902
01:11:06,310 --> 01:11:08,210
But we all know there's a lot of bad ripper

903
01:11:09,050 --> 01:11:12,610
off, probably driving by right now off that interstate.

904
01:11:13,850 --> 01:11:17,970
So I think we need to look at every tool objectively,

905
01:11:19,270 --> 01:11:21,510
and make sure it's right for the community.

906
01:11:21,510 --> 01:11:28,050
but you know all those tools are keeping us safe at night so we've got to see what we're

907
01:11:28,050 --> 01:11:34,950
given up to get them. Thank you. Thank you. I just will, I will add one thing and it does come

908
01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:41,590
down to the people who are operating it and I think setting before us are two stellar sheriff's

909
01:11:42,590 --> 01:11:49,790
officers and I I just I want to thank you for the work that you do and how hard you work to

910
01:11:49,790 --> 01:11:51,790
to keep us safe, so thank you.

911
01:11:52,510 --> 01:11:52,790
Thank you.

912
01:11:53,350 --> 01:11:53,850
Thank you, guys.

913
01:11:54,330 --> 01:11:56,190
Mr. American, I can ask one other question.

914
01:11:56,570 --> 01:12:00,950
Kind of directed to you guys, but just the council as well.

915
01:12:01,290 --> 01:12:04,430
Obviously, there's some further discussion that needs to happen.

916
01:12:05,190 --> 01:12:06,550
See how we're going to move forward on this.

917
01:12:07,170 --> 01:12:12,550
But the question I have is, if the town, if we say we decide to keep the camera

918
01:12:12,550 --> 01:12:16,470
and have a specific policy about how they're used for kind of in a unique relationship

919
01:12:16,470 --> 01:12:21,390
where the town does not own or operate these cameras.

920
01:12:21,890 --> 01:12:23,450
They're operated by the Sheriff's Office,

921
01:12:23,470 --> 01:12:27,030
but if we were to develop a policy and how they're used obviously,

922
01:12:27,170 --> 01:12:31,050
it would have to be within what the capabilities of their system are.

923
01:12:31,810 --> 01:12:34,910
I don't know how much flexibility there is,

924
01:12:34,910 --> 01:12:37,770
and it's kind of a word question, but how much flexibility there is

925
01:12:37,770 --> 01:12:42,590
with how that system works in terms of how it's doing the captures,

926
01:12:42,590 --> 01:12:44,130
is how the data is stored.

927
01:12:45,930 --> 01:12:49,830
For example, is it at the capability of,

928
01:12:50,170 --> 01:12:52,410
you know, is it, obviously, reading these

929
01:12:52,410 --> 01:12:54,510
as cars are going past the camera?

930
01:12:55,210 --> 01:12:58,990
Does it have the capability of only if that license plate

931
01:12:58,990 --> 01:13:03,010
was on, for example, was on the hot list,

932
01:13:03,270 --> 01:13:05,190
as you mentioned, or there was a warrant associated

933
01:13:05,190 --> 01:13:08,450
with that license plate or some type of criminal activity

934
01:13:08,450 --> 01:13:11,970
related to that license plate and somehow,

935
01:13:11,970 --> 01:13:18,570
then it captured it and otherwise it doesn't even take an image of the play that means

936
01:13:18,570 --> 01:13:26,850
how to keep is that possible is that level of flexibility even exists I don't know.

937
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:32,330
Yeah and the age is just on something like that so the unfortunate thing is if we do have a vehicle

938
01:13:32,330 --> 01:13:39,110
that's stolen it's reported after the fact and we don't have it on the hot list or we don't know

939
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:44,810
that person is actually this suspect and that's where that comes into play and I do think

940
01:13:44,810 --> 01:13:50,930
that the town of gypsum is in a very unique place because of our contract between the town

941
01:13:50,930 --> 01:13:57,050
of gypsum as well as the sheriff's office and I'm sure we can come to some solid middle ground

942
01:13:57,050 --> 01:14:02,770
on that. Yeah that was a comment I was going to make is that it is our contract for law enforcement

943
01:14:02,770 --> 01:14:07,630
services with the sheriff's office that governs the relationship between the town and the county

944
01:14:07,630 --> 01:14:15,170
And, you know, I don't know if any other instance where there's additional operating agreements

945
01:14:15,170 --> 01:14:18,870
that layer on top for any other purpose, I think it's pretty much what you contract

946
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:24,390
for the service, the sheriff's office, then places to the best of their ability, communicates

947
01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:29,970
with the town, offers guidance and support, asks questions, can we install these, those sorts

948
01:14:29,970 --> 01:14:30,750
of things?

949
01:14:31,850 --> 01:14:35,710
So I think I would also, again, look to, I'll probably have a conversation with our town

950
01:14:35,710 --> 01:14:43,490
attorney to ask, okay, do we need anything extra or is this just part of the policing services

951
01:14:43,490 --> 01:14:51,250
offered to this agency and the police the way that they want to police in their posture for

952
01:14:51,250 --> 01:14:56,230
policing? So I don't know the answer to that right now, but we thought it would just be useful to

953
01:14:56,230 --> 01:14:59,970
the discussion to the public and to the council since it's.

954
01:15:00,500 --> 01:15:07,720
Topic of interest, want to be very transparent about what they do, what they don't do, how they're managed. And so I hope it's been helpful to everybody.

955
01:15:11,670 --> 01:15:26,870
I said one more question I'm sure that the public would like to have asked as well as, is there plan, thought, or discussion about having any more placed within the town of gypsum for any other reason, or any where else in gypsum?

956
01:15:27,610 --> 01:15:31,190
No, there hasn't been any further discussion.

957
01:15:32,090 --> 01:15:38,750
I think we're all firm believers at the sheriff's office and, you know, putting our resources in a place for a specific reason.

958
01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:42,210
You know, like with these cameras, they were specifically geared towards auto theft.

959
01:15:42,770 --> 01:15:48,330
You know, if we were going to get more cameras, our biggest concern probably would be Interstate 70.

960
01:15:48,890 --> 01:15:52,130
We'd be the next one. You know, it's, I think, currently right now,

961
01:15:52,130 --> 01:15:58,610
are then pretty successful in serving their point in combating out of the air port and out of the

962
01:15:58,610 --> 01:16:05,410
greater gypsum area in general. I think we're very specific focus point driven and where we'd

963
01:16:05,410 --> 01:16:09,140
want stuff to go and right now outside of the interstate 70 there is a whole lot.

964
01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:15,650
And I think you made this clear through your comments but just so you can clarify it for us all.

965
01:16:16,170 --> 01:16:19,550
What access does any town staff have to this system?

966
01:16:20,250 --> 01:16:26,390
Currently, because it is, see just compliant information, the town staff does not have access to it.

967
01:16:26,390 --> 01:16:29,890
It is only law enforcement personnel who meet see just standards.

968
01:16:30,710 --> 01:16:31,430
Thank you.

969
01:16:31,730 --> 01:16:36,350
And if I can add just something, just back on previous stuff.

970
01:16:36,830 --> 01:16:40,290
So my current assignment is as an administrative sergeant.

971
01:16:40,430 --> 01:16:43,330
But before that I was managing a team, I was out on the road.

972
01:16:43,810 --> 01:16:48,870
I used the system one time to search of license plate and that was on a stolen vehicle.

973
01:16:48,870 --> 01:16:54,610
And it was very, very, you know, it was all in finding out when that vehicle left the county.

974
01:16:55,130 --> 01:16:58,930
But it was only one search during that old, you know, two years.

975
01:17:03,270 --> 01:17:04,090
Thanks, guys.

976
01:17:04,550 --> 01:17:05,210
Thank you, everybody.

977
01:17:05,990 --> 01:17:08,930
Mr. Mayor, I just asked a question before we move on.

978
01:17:09,010 --> 01:17:14,810
I heard some chatter among certain council members about a policy, developing a policy.

979
01:17:15,450 --> 01:17:20,330
But I think if that is something that the council would want, you'll need to give us a little bit of direction on that.

980
01:17:20,330 --> 01:17:25,610
Or if it's a conversation that you want to bring back at another date, we'll need some direction on that too.

981
01:17:26,050 --> 01:17:27,930
We're talking about policy on our cameras.

982
01:17:28,230 --> 01:17:35,730
I think specifically, and then it was questions about potential policy overlaying our agreement, our enforcement agreement.

983
01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:44,730
I think we need to bring the whole thing back, maybe, as a discussion when we get some public input from community.

984
01:17:44,730 --> 01:17:51,710
And, you know, we need to nail down our policy and I think that's the biggest piece.

985
01:17:52,430 --> 01:17:55,490
And then, I mean, it's simple with the sheriff's agreement.

986
01:17:55,490 --> 01:17:58,070
If we want them to want them, if we don't, don't take them down.

987
01:17:58,430 --> 01:18:01,330
Got to figure out if that's a benefit to the community or not.

988
01:18:02,930 --> 01:18:07,210
So, we're more than happy to come up during the fall of the town council meetings and turn

989
01:18:07,210 --> 01:18:08,730
into additional questions that might come up.

990
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:09,910
Thank you, guys.

991
01:18:10,010 --> 01:18:10,410
Thank you, guys.

992
01:18:16,780 --> 01:18:26,340
Next item of business is presentation of proposals and selection of consultant for the town, municipal financial advisor contract.

993
01:18:27,020 --> 01:18:27,700
I'm up.

994
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:29,300
Even Mr. Mayor, council members.

995
01:18:33,050 --> 01:18:42,110
So, back in July, if you remember, staff came and presented a proposal to hire a municipal financial advisor.

996
01:18:42,110 --> 01:18:57,350
As you heard at the work session this morning or this earlier this evening, excuse me, we've got a pretty significant capital improvement program that we're looking at with some significant projects and some even larger ones for water that are further out.

997
01:18:57,930 --> 01:19:11,310
And so we came with the idea to hire some specialized consultants staffs that can basically help guide us in what are some creative ways to help finance some of these big projects.

998
01:19:11,310 --> 01:19:26,130
And so we got to go ahead to advertise that, and so we solicited our issued in RFQ received five different proposals from five different corporations that I think we're all very capable of doing this type of work.

999
01:19:27,130 --> 01:19:41,290
From that group, we shortlisted three firms and did interviews with our selection committee for those three firms, several members of town staff and Chris Huffman was part of that.

1000
01:19:41,290 --> 01:19:47,490
selection committee went through that and scored. The selection committee, it was a hard

1001
01:19:47,490 --> 01:19:52,430
choice. There were some very good firms, very good personnel. We were actually very pleased

1002
01:19:52,430 --> 01:19:58,090
with the type of responses and the interest that we had in the solicitation. And ultimately,

1003
01:19:58,090 --> 01:19:59,970
our selection committee with

1004
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:13,360
I'd like to recommend moving forward with you in B financial services. Very well experienced team. They provide municipal advisor services to other municipalities, several of their municipalities across Colorado.

1005
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:26,680
Both their proposal and interview they had very creative financing ideas beyond just issuing debt. And I think that was one of the things that stuck out to us is it was not a debt first type approach.

1006
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:32,500
it was, let's get creative and let's talk about partner agencies, look at private contributions

1007
01:20:32,500 --> 01:20:36,240
for some of these, let's look at grants, let's look at different opportunities, special

1008
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:42,920
districts that we can have and get really creative to deliver a program of our magnitude.

1009
01:20:44,060 --> 01:20:47,700
And so the section committee thought very highly of the personnel that were proposed.

1010
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:53,340
We did reference checks called a couple different towns who work with this group and receive

1011
01:20:53,340 --> 01:20:56,140
very glowing reviews about them.

1012
01:20:56,360 --> 01:21:01,860
And so, from a financial standpoint, we didn't necessarily budget that in our original 2026 budget

1013
01:21:01,860 --> 01:21:08,400
when we presented this idea to you, we had some flexibility in our capital public improvement

1014
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:10,520
fund, that flexibility is still there.

1015
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:16,500
And so we would look at contracting just services for this calendar year in a not to exceed

1016
01:21:16,500 --> 01:21:16,980
amount.

1017
01:21:17,580 --> 01:21:22,200
And then if Council is happy with kind of the first couple of months of getting them on board

1018
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:27,120
and their discovery and initial findings phase,

1019
01:21:27,380 --> 01:21:32,160
we can include more work in the 2027 budget and a dedicated amount.

1020
01:21:33,300 --> 01:21:35,400
So in your packet, you saw all the proposals.

1021
01:21:35,660 --> 01:21:38,560
So hopefully it didn't get too into the weeds,

1022
01:21:38,700 --> 01:21:40,340
but there was a lot of information that came through

1023
01:21:40,340 --> 01:21:42,260
that our selection committee went through.

1024
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:46,480
But happy to answer any questions about the proposals

1025
01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:49,660
or the request that we have to make a motion

1026
01:21:49,660 --> 01:21:52,060
to approve contracting with UMB.

1027
01:22:00,110 --> 01:22:01,610
How quick can they get up to speed?

1028
01:22:02,610 --> 01:22:06,090
Their proposal had kind of a rapid hundred days.

1029
01:22:06,550 --> 01:22:09,850
So just over three months of pretty intensive data dump

1030
01:22:09,850 --> 01:22:10,990
in modeling.

1031
01:22:11,590 --> 01:22:13,730
And so hopefully within a couple of months

1032
01:22:13,730 --> 01:22:15,550
that they're really fully running.

1033
01:22:18,910 --> 01:22:22,290
So our goal would be, let's say, contract some time

1034
01:22:22,290 --> 01:22:23,130
into September.

1035
01:22:23,890 --> 01:22:26,830
You're looking just after the first of the year,

1036
01:22:26,830 --> 01:22:31,670
they would be really running, but we take those three months the end of a quarter

1037
01:22:31,670 --> 01:22:35,690
four to start sharing data with them and get them running, but they're

1038
01:22:35,690 --> 01:22:37,890
ready to jump on it as soon as they could.

1039
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:50,100
Yes, we developed that rubric and so

1040
01:22:50,100 --> 01:22:54,440
we had different components, four different categories that we scored

1041
01:22:54,440 --> 01:22:59,760
them in, and that was part of the RFQ that was issued and so they knew that

1042
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:03,940
coming in for the different weights that were they were scored against.

1043
01:23:03,940 --> 01:23:07,080
It was significantly higher than everybody else.

1044
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:18,680
I make a motion that we approve contracting UNB financial services for the town of

1045
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:23,160
gypsum municipal financial advisor in the amount not to exceed $50,000.

1046
01:23:25,100 --> 01:23:33,120
We have a motion to approve UNB financial services for the contract not to exceed $50,000

1047
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:34,000
in discussion.

1048
01:23:34,940 --> 01:23:36,520
Kathy, did you have a question there?

1049
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:36,900
No.

1050
01:23:36,900 --> 01:23:38,320
That's just trying to find out.

1051
01:23:38,440 --> 01:23:39,000
Any discussion?

1052
01:23:42,330 --> 01:23:42,830
All in favor?

1053
01:23:43,610 --> 01:23:43,730
Hi.

1054
01:23:44,610 --> 01:23:45,270
Any opposed?

1055
01:23:46,310 --> 01:23:47,110
Motion carries.

1056
01:23:48,910 --> 01:23:49,450
Thanks, Matt.

1057
01:23:50,070 --> 01:23:51,330
Thank you.

1058
01:23:51,750 --> 01:23:52,690
You're just saying the chair.

1059
01:23:52,890 --> 01:23:56,790
Presentation of change orders 1, 2, 3 for the gypsum recycling

1060
01:23:56,790 --> 01:23:57,830
center project.

1061
01:23:58,470 --> 01:24:03,630
So this project was awarded to RDM excavation back in May.

1062
01:24:04,270 --> 01:24:06,670
The new site is up in operational.

1063
01:24:06,670 --> 01:24:14,070
There's just a few punchless items remaining, but there were a few change orders based on some unexpected site conditions.

1064
01:24:14,950 --> 01:24:21,690
If you remember when we awarded this project, the cost of the project is a 50-50 split between the county and the town.

1065
01:24:22,610 --> 01:24:31,090
And so in your packet, the memo that was provided shows the split of cost between these three different items.

1066
01:24:31,090 --> 01:24:37,750
And so, Change Order 1, the county had asked our contractor to do some additional landscape

1067
01:24:37,750 --> 01:24:40,230
removals that was not part of our project.

1068
01:24:41,090 --> 01:24:46,910
And so that is going to be reimbursed 100% through the county cost and not the towns.

1069
01:24:48,030 --> 01:24:51,210
Change Order 2 covers unsuitable material excavation.

1070
01:24:51,430 --> 01:24:56,930
As we got into the site, there's a lot of unsuitable ash layer that we had to over excavate

1071
01:24:56,930 --> 01:24:59,970
and bring in some additional material to replace it.

1072
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:06,500
For a good pad to put the concrete on, that cost will be split 50, 50.

1073
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:28,460
And then finally, we had some electrical modifications based on the transformer was not the correct size for what we needed to tap into, so we had to provide an additional three phase transformer specific to our site to step down that voltage, as well as a few other electrical modifications.

1074
01:25:28,460 --> 01:25:31,220
and that is another cost that will be split 50-50.

1075
01:25:32,500 --> 01:25:37,320
So the total cost for that, those three change orders is $28,000,

1076
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:38,840
just under $600.

1077
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:45,420
The towns only get to be responsible for about $12,111 of that,

1078
01:25:45,420 --> 01:25:47,540
and the county will be responsible for the rest.

1079
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:51,740
We are asking for a motion to approve the entire change order amount,

1080
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,300
though, because the contract is with the town,

1081
01:25:54,300 --> 01:25:59,300
But then we will send the reimbursement request to the county for that amount.

1082
01:25:59,900 --> 01:26:03,400
So bottom line to the town, it's about $12,000 for these change orders.

1083
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:08,640
Even though the total change order request is over $28,000.

1084
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:13,400
So, how many answer any questions on that that you may have?

1085
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:16,400
Thank you for the update.

1086
01:26:16,480 --> 01:26:22,260
I make a motion to approve change orders for $28,598 in 27 cents.

1087
01:26:22,260 --> 01:26:29,760
And can we clarify that by saying, uh, with the town share of that cost being $12,111.63.

1088
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:35,640
Yes, with the town share being $12,100 in the $11.63.

1089
01:26:36,340 --> 01:26:42,600
And Eagle County reimbursing the town to gypsum in the sum of $16,486.63.

1090
01:27:01,980 --> 01:27:10,020
We have a motion to approve change orders 1,2,1,3 to the contract with RDM excavating for the gypsum recycling

1091
01:27:10,020 --> 01:27:18,720
Senate project in the amount of $28,598 and $27 cents. With the county reimbursing the

1092
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:24,160
town of Gypsum's 16,486 dollars and 63 cents. Any discussion?

1093
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:26,720
All in favor.

1094
01:27:27,260 --> 01:27:27,920
All in favor?

1095
01:27:29,860 --> 01:27:34,900
Did you slide bar? That's kind of it. Did the Holy Cross didn't install that?

1096
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:36,100
Transformer?

1097
01:27:36,500 --> 01:27:39,920
The original transformer is original to the site.

1098
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:49,980
And so I'm going to blame the engineer who was in charge of that job for incorrectly identifying the size of that transformer.

1099
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:52,420
So that was an existing one that we talked to.

1100
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:53,280
Holy Cross.

1101
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:59,520
Correct. Yeah. So we had to do a small pad transformer to step that down just for the compactor in the

1102
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:00,840
light that was there. Yeah.

1103
01:28:04,780 --> 01:28:05,260
Thank you.

1104
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:11,380
All right. I'm sure you're not up for this one. Change order number three to the contract with

1105
01:28:11,380 --> 01:28:15,720
construction for the Clubhouse Restoration Project Jim?

1106
01:28:16,620 --> 01:28:23,860
Yes, thank you, Mr. Mayor. So this is the project is complete. This would be the,

1107
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:32,960
well, next to the final building, there is some more heating and ventilation work that

1108
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:39,000
is already work, but they were going to wait till the hot season passed to do that work,

1109
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:41,200
not take the AC down.

1110
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,540
But yeah, this is the final payment.

1111
01:28:48,900 --> 01:28:52,260
We had a, I guess, the biggest thing to point out,

1112
01:28:52,340 --> 01:28:55,600
we had a $30,000 change order from the electrical

1113
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:59,000
contractor, and that's detailed in there.

1114
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:02,020
There was a number of items that weren't strictly related

1115
01:29:02,020 --> 01:29:05,400
to the fire that, you know, once we got into the electrical

1116
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:14,080
systems and, you know, they just needed upgraded, a good portion of it related to the make-up

1117
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:21,980
air in the kitchen and just other kind of goofy things that were wrong with the building

1118
01:29:21,980 --> 01:29:30,660
in general. And I do think some of those are related to the fire and I've notified insurance

1119
01:29:30,660 --> 01:29:35,020
that I'd be sending that change order onto them so I think we can get some of that

1120
01:29:35,020 --> 01:29:41,140
that. The other items I still need to resolve in the final payment, there's some odds and

1121
01:29:41,140 --> 01:29:49,100
ends bills that we had to accommodate because we didn't have the clubhouse things like

1122
01:29:49,100 --> 01:29:59,980
portapoddies and just different workarounds that we were having to do that are reason

1123
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:08,480
Assembly reimbursed. So I've got to share that with them. So I'm still not done with the total recovery from the insurance

1124
01:30:08,480 --> 01:30:21,180
company. But as it stands right now, we're, you know, we're $230,000 in expense beyond what insurance is going to reimburse.

1125
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:30,040
And then I will, I'm punch listing this week, you know, make sure everything's ready to go.

1126
01:30:31,020 --> 01:30:32,820
But other than that, we're done.

1127
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:36,460
I did, you know, we talked earlier today.

1128
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:47,560
I did include in the budget, you know, some funds for furnishings, you know, prep tables in the service area.

1129
01:30:48,220 --> 01:30:53,640
You know, probably need some noise dampening during when I talked about that today, maybe some artwork.

1130
01:30:53,980 --> 01:30:58,360
You know, we'll get that for your consideration in the budget.

1131
01:30:59,380 --> 01:31:07,760
And then we got to come up with a lease fee, what Taylor's working on reviewing what the competition is charging.

1132
01:31:09,940 --> 01:31:15,700
But yeah, unless you have any questions, that's a quick question I had.

1133
01:31:15,700 --> 01:31:18,660
Jim would just kind of, you sort of have a timeline in mind

1134
01:31:18,660 --> 01:31:21,340
when you're planning on trying to have it ready

1135
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:23,740
to have it available to you.

1136
01:31:23,740 --> 01:31:25,480
Well, there is some pent-up demand.

1137
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:28,240
We've gotten some inquiries, but I don't, you know,

1138
01:31:28,340 --> 01:31:30,680
I don't really have budget to purchase furniture.

1139
01:31:31,220 --> 01:31:33,700
So it's not, I'm not sure.

1140
01:31:33,940 --> 01:31:35,320
I'm bringing your own stuff on the board.

1141
01:31:35,480 --> 01:31:37,500
Yeah, I guess you can bring your own tools and chairs.

1142
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:39,380
I mean, you could.

1143
01:31:39,380 --> 01:31:42,020
I mean, you could, I mean, you could rent all the stuff.

1144
01:31:42,060 --> 01:31:43,560
We just have an approach to anybody.

1145
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:50,300
I think REC was interested and then Gai goes wanted to have like a board meeting there, but we don't

1146
01:31:51,260 --> 01:31:57,040
We haven't returned. We haven't I think Scott said I don't he didn't want to fool with it, but

1147
01:31:57,040 --> 01:32:01,480
Gai goes might do it. I guess if we said hey, you got to get your own furniture, but

1148
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:05,640
But we also got to figure out what to charge him if anything

1149
01:32:08,210 --> 01:32:08,610
Oh

1150
01:32:10,070 --> 01:32:16,270
I guess I have one question, is this the final bill other than the $10,000

1151
01:32:16,270 --> 01:32:18,890
retention that you have for that is A.C.

1152
01:32:19,070 --> 01:32:22,530
That is why we have to, we won't see another bill on this.

1153
01:32:22,590 --> 01:32:24,450
There's $10,000 more and no more bills.

1154
01:32:24,810 --> 01:32:29,330
Okay, and exclusive of furniture, which we might have proved later on, not part of this.

1155
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:34,940
So, Jimmy's got to come ask for it, and so,

1156
01:32:39,690 --> 01:32:42,210
so I'll make a motion to approve change order

1157
01:32:42,210 --> 01:32:48,510
number 3 of the contract with AJ Construction for the Clubhouse Renovation Project in the amount

1158
01:32:48,510 --> 01:32:52,530
of 183,818 dollars in 80 cents.

1159
01:32:53,790 --> 01:32:59,090
We have a motion to approve change order number 3 to the contract with AJ Construction for

1160
01:32:59,090 --> 01:33:06,450
the Clubhouse Renovation Project in the amount of 183,818 dollars in 80 cents.

1161
01:33:06,450 --> 01:33:07,610
any discussion?

1162
01:33:08,530 --> 01:33:09,270
Colin Faber?

1163
01:33:10,450 --> 01:33:11,030
Any opposed?

1164
01:33:12,010 --> 01:33:12,610
Motion carries.

1165
01:33:13,070 --> 01:33:13,970
Thank you.

1166
01:33:16,180 --> 01:33:17,080
Staff for the insurance.

1167
01:33:25,700 --> 01:33:26,680
Jennifer, do you have anything?

1168
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:27,420
Yes, sir.

1169
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:28,860
Thank you for your reports.

1170
01:33:29,180 --> 01:33:30,840
There's really easy to read and thorough.

1171
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:31,980
Thank you.

1172
01:33:32,440 --> 01:33:32,760
Melvin?

1173
01:33:33,900 --> 01:33:34,780
No, sir.

1174
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:36,240
No, sir.

1175
01:33:37,780 --> 01:33:38,040
Taylor?

1176
01:33:39,620 --> 01:33:39,980
Heath?

1177
01:33:42,410 --> 01:33:42,690
Paulie?

1178
01:33:43,910 --> 01:33:48,190
You all should have gotten the email from me today with the dates of the budget retreats

1179
01:33:48,190 --> 01:33:50,950
so just make sure you keep those in your calendar.

1180
01:33:51,410 --> 01:33:55,130
And I've got a conflict on the second one I'm trying to work out.

1181
01:33:55,610 --> 01:33:56,710
Hopefully you have enough time.

1182
01:33:56,870 --> 01:33:58,650
That's what's trying to get them out.

1183
01:33:59,570 --> 01:33:59,750
Catherine?

1184
01:34:01,190 --> 01:34:02,650
Nothing for me.

1185
01:34:02,910 --> 01:34:03,070
Jim?

1186
01:34:04,170 --> 01:34:04,330
Councillor.

1187
01:34:05,850 --> 01:34:07,470
Jesse, you were on the spotlight.

1188
01:34:08,550 --> 01:34:08,590
No?

1189
01:34:09,490 --> 01:34:09,710
Jeremy?

1190
01:34:09,710 --> 01:34:09,790
Okay.

1191
01:34:11,230 --> 01:34:15,590
I think the only thing is just to ask for guidance for future meetings on some of these items

1192
01:34:15,590 --> 01:34:17,050
that we're discussed tonight.

1193
01:34:18,530 --> 01:34:24,490
You had to have any input on what you'd like to see from the staff on either, let's see.

1194
01:34:25,570 --> 01:34:30,210
There's the just surveillance camera topic, which I think I see those two separate issues.

1195
01:34:30,670 --> 01:34:36,270
There's the traditional surveillance camera thing, and we just, I think want to make

1196
01:34:36,270 --> 01:34:39,590
sure that we've got a very clear policy that the Council signed off on is how we

1197
01:34:39,590 --> 01:34:43,890
and this why we use them is what they do, what they don't do, which we've got a draft of and

1198
01:34:43,890 --> 01:34:48,710
could bring back to you at any time. I think the flat camera issue is totally separate issue

1199
01:34:49,270 --> 01:34:53,290
that I'll need guidance from Katherine on whether she thinks there'd need to be any other

1200
01:34:53,290 --> 01:34:59,970
additional layered policy beyond our contract or the sheriff's office. Certainly, the council I

1201
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:29,480
To make any decision at wishes on whether those are installed or not installed. But as far as a layered on policy, I don't personally, I don't think I would recommend that this has just come from me because it starts getting into dictating the terms of how the sheriff's office is policing under the contract and the contract already has those terms. So it just feels like if you layer on something there, what other issue you're going to further layer on, could be challenging.

1202
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:35,720
little guidance on both of those and how do you like us to bring those back and offer up

1203
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:38,620
public comment or anything like that?

1204
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:46,280
I mean, technically that sort of policy Catherine, this is a question to you,

1205
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:56,380
wouldn't require a second reading with public input and it's correct, you know, we're open in

1206
01:35:56,380 --> 01:36:00,740
door to get a bunch of arrows sewn, which I'm told was fine with taking the arrows.

1207
01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:09,540
You know, the seven of us are going to have to decide the benefit to our community or the

1208
01:36:09,540 --> 01:36:10,880
alternative to that.

1209
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:17,220
So that'll be it is what it is, and that's in both cases.

1210
01:36:18,160 --> 01:36:25,140
I'm not a big camera guy, but I have cameras on my jobs to protect assets, to see who's

1211
01:36:25,140 --> 01:36:27,120
and stuff up because it's going to happen.

1212
01:36:27,480 --> 01:36:33,780
We all know that and the stuff that gets destroyed costs taxpayers dollars.

1213
01:36:34,180 --> 01:36:36,480
And that's, you know, our job to remedy that.

1214
01:36:36,480 --> 01:36:38,280
We just got to look at the weights of that.

1215
01:36:38,540 --> 01:36:43,020
If we open it up to the public, the people that don't care are going to come talk,

1216
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:49,840
the people who feel really passionate about it are going to come talk.

1217
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:52,460
And we need to listen because they're part of our constituents.

1218
01:36:52,780 --> 01:36:53,900
So I have no issue with that.

1219
01:36:53,900 --> 01:37:02,540
You know, your normal process for adopting a policy is really board discussion and asking questions of staff.

1220
01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:08,740
So if you want something different from that, for the draft policy that you have,

1221
01:37:08,860 --> 01:37:12,900
I think we would need some direction just so that it gets on the agenda appropriately

1222
01:37:12,900 --> 01:37:14,940
and people know there's a public comment period.

1223
01:37:15,460 --> 01:37:22,040
I think we might mean just one guy speaking, but I think we advertise it that it's going to be out.

1224
01:37:22,040 --> 01:37:28,620
I didn't have people want to get up and have their three minutes and they can get a hold of poly.

1225
01:37:30,140 --> 01:37:35,340
And move forward with normal business just like we're doing it today.

1226
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:40,840
I think you're going to get a lot of slack if you don't put this up to the public and let them say something.

1227
01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:45,700
And I think it's important to hear what they have to say.

1228
01:37:45,700 --> 01:37:56,780
And I guess, you know, we had another issue a while back and I have to be leading that meeting and we had 27 people comment for three minutes of peace.

1229
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:01,940
And, you know, we never heard really any more about that issue.

1230
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:09,980
And I think it's worth listening to people and letting them know that they're heard.

1231
01:38:10,660 --> 01:38:16,820
sure we're going to offend somebody outside of the other by whatever way we decide, but we're

1232
01:38:16,820 --> 01:38:22,180
going to do that anyhow. So I guess I think it would be important to allow the public to

1233
01:38:22,180 --> 01:38:27,280
speak. I agree, but I just want to make sure I'm following and make a distinction between the two

1234
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:33,440
topics. So the first topic was just the surveillance cameras. We already have a draft policy. We saw

1235
01:38:33,440 --> 01:38:38,620
that tonight. I don't know. I mean, I kind of doubt there's going to be much public input on that.

1236
01:38:38,620 --> 01:38:39,760
I mean, he could open it up.

1237
01:38:40,040 --> 01:38:42,320
I don't think there's going to be much input on that,

1238
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:44,680
or concern, it's going to be the second topic,

1239
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:47,900
which I just want to make sure,

1240
01:38:48,300 --> 01:38:49,860
still talk about two separate things, right?

1241
01:38:50,060 --> 01:38:52,700
Can it be as simple as the agenda item deciding

1242
01:38:52,700 --> 01:38:55,420
whether we're going to keep our, I can't remember,

1243
01:38:55,640 --> 01:39:00,320
the remote-a-roller license plate readers or not?

1244
01:39:00,820 --> 01:39:03,160
I mean, that's question.

1245
01:39:04,220 --> 01:39:05,600
Well, that makes sense.

1246
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:08,060
It does, and I don't really have an answer

1247
01:39:08,060 --> 01:39:12,480
for you because I think it ties back into what Jeremy was saying about your contract.

1248
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:21,200
So I want to understand a little bit more about, you know, this approval that essentially

1249
01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:28,080
for me, it boils down to, are we, are they on gypsum property and are they using gypsum funds?

1250
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:34,060
If not, it is effectively a law, a share of law enforcement issue.

1251
01:39:36,820 --> 01:39:41,040
So I want to mention a little bit more before we bring that back.

1252
01:39:41,340 --> 01:39:44,040
But I'm hearing that we want some further discussion.

1253
01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:48,800
We want to have council or community input on that.

1254
01:39:49,460 --> 01:39:53,260
And we may be able to draft a very simple policy that kind of doesn't interfere

1255
01:39:53,260 --> 01:39:56,600
with what's going on currently, but put some parameters around it.

1256
01:39:56,620 --> 01:39:59,800
And so that there's some guidance as well for the share of how they use it.

1257
01:40:00,780 --> 01:40:12,740
But to address Jay's point, I think. Two different words. Yeah, I think the other item is something that we need a security. I mean, I don't want somebody messing around with water towers.

1258
01:40:14,180 --> 01:40:14,200
Right.

1259
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:15,960
Right.

1260
01:40:17,860 --> 01:40:26,380
I think the other thing too, just going back to the presentation tonight, I definitely agree that we need security cameras for town assets.

1261
01:40:26,380 --> 01:40:29,320
the other part of it was just

1262
01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:33,660
a lot of the comments about

1263
01:40:33,660 --> 01:40:35,700
flawed cameras this and that.

1264
01:40:36,300 --> 01:40:39,920
Well, I think some of the public concern is, okay,

1265
01:40:40,120 --> 01:40:42,680
what we have is one thing, but I think a lot of public

1266
01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:44,620
concern is are we going to follow suits like

1267
01:40:44,620 --> 01:40:48,940
Town of Veil, Town of Avon, and put up flawed cameras

1268
01:40:48,940 --> 01:40:49,480
for speed.

1269
01:40:49,560 --> 01:40:55,080
I think that's maybe some reassurance that some members

1270
01:40:55,080 --> 01:40:57,820
of the public might want to have us discuss,

1271
01:40:57,820 --> 01:41:03,800
that whether we're yaved for hot cameras and we want to put them in to, you know, put

1272
01:41:03,800 --> 01:41:07,840
speeding down or no, no way, no how we're not going to put in our town.

1273
01:41:08,100 --> 01:41:21,940
Like, I think carrying some feedback or different people's opinions on that just because obviously

1274
01:41:21,940 --> 01:41:27,740
there is that difference, but I think maybe some citizens might want that.

1275
01:41:27,740 --> 01:41:33,360
are you on that? I understand the sheriff's policy is that, you know, we have that contract for

1276
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:39,400
how those four cameras are being used, but I think it's more of that further step of community

1277
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:49,200
feedback on. I think a piece of that, though, is we definitely need community feedback both sides,

1278
01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:58,380
but we also need the, you know, facts from the guys and the trenches that are using those

1279
01:41:58,380 --> 01:42:05,480
tools every day, you know, to do their job. Keep us safe, keep community moving forward

1280
01:42:05,480 --> 01:42:09,240
because if you just have that one side, it's really easy to say, oh yeah, you don't want them.

1281
01:42:09,660 --> 01:42:16,700
And the other thing we have to remember, we don't want to paint future councils into a corner, you know,

1282
01:42:16,700 --> 01:42:20,560
if there's a different law enforcement contract,

1283
01:42:20,860 --> 01:42:23,900
a different situation where we have our own force.

1284
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:27,880
You know, and I'm not making a statement for either one,

1285
01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:34,420
but we need to get the technical side on what that tool might be.

1286
01:42:34,940 --> 01:42:40,060
And so that's where my second part of the question is surveillance is one,

1287
01:42:40,180 --> 01:42:45,480
but when we get to the discussion of what our current system is with the four,

1288
01:42:45,480 --> 01:43:01,900
I'm talking about that one and how it's being used, so that is separate, but then on a second note is just the community concerns about us falling suit like town of Avon, town of Vale by putting in separate

1289
01:43:01,900 --> 01:43:09,520
fought cameras to issue tickets and tickets, or not tickets but fines. So I think that was

1290
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:14,380
the second part of my question is, I have nothing but the most respect for our law enforcement

1291
01:43:14,380 --> 01:43:19,160
and what they're doing because that they are specialized experts in that field and we are not.

1292
01:43:19,660 --> 01:43:26,880
It is the second part of that community feedback is what I think we...

1293
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:34,180
your premise completely, but it might be more appropriate if, you know, the SO or our own departments

1294
01:43:34,180 --> 01:43:39,320
someday came forward and said, hey, who want to look at these flop cameras, then you

1295
01:43:39,320 --> 01:43:40,960
could look at the whole issue.

1296
01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:43,240
No, and I totally understand a one.

1297
01:43:43,240 --> 01:43:43,480
Yeah.

1298
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:50,040
And I don't want to open that can of worms, but I think I just wanted to bring that up

1299
01:43:50,040 --> 01:43:55,500
as part of our discussion, so we're not just saying no to flop, no to this, and I understand

1300
01:43:55,500 --> 01:43:59,380
and then have, I respect your vision for the future

1301
01:43:59,380 --> 01:44:02,160
about limiting the future council,

1302
01:44:02,480 --> 01:44:03,720
like totally respect that.

1303
01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:05,980
And we don't know what the future is gonna hold

1304
01:44:05,980 --> 01:44:08,600
with having our department or whatnot,

1305
01:44:08,840 --> 01:44:11,140
but I just wanted to put that out there.

1306
01:44:15,250 --> 01:44:18,210
Jim, can you just think this is a question for you?

1307
01:44:18,510 --> 01:44:20,590
The renewal on that, is there a renewal date

1308
01:44:20,590 --> 01:44:22,570
on that contract with them for the camera?

1309
01:44:23,150 --> 01:44:24,870
Is that a part of our actual,

1310
01:44:24,990 --> 01:44:26,930
no, that's what I was trying to communicate

1311
01:44:26,930 --> 01:44:34,550
earlier. There is no agreement of any kind. It was that we have our contracted law enforcement

1312
01:44:34,550 --> 01:44:42,730
services and then he just called me one day into 2023. He said, hey, we got this grant. We're

1313
01:44:42,730 --> 01:44:47,310
interested in putting these up to try to deter vehicle theft from the airport. Is that okay?

1314
01:44:47,630 --> 01:44:53,130
I said, oh, go for it. Because it wasn't an issue of concern at the time and didn't think anything

1315
01:44:53,130 --> 01:44:56,530
more about it. So, no, there's no formal policy of any kind.

1316
01:44:56,930 --> 01:44:59,970
That's why I was curious, like if we did decide that it was a... I don't know if it's...

1317
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:05,600
That's going to come up. We have something that we need to say, we didn't want any more. It wouldn't be, we have to wait for the contractor agreement.

1318
01:45:05,780 --> 01:45:08,400
No, I think you just say, oh, can you take them down? Okay, that's all I was saying.

1319
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:09,680
Yeah, pretty. Thanks, straightforward.

1320
01:45:10,340 --> 01:45:20,700
Yeah, but we'd say by the same token, I guess. At some point, I think, if we decide that we do want them, the council would be willing to back your action of approving them in the first place.

1321
01:45:21,200 --> 01:45:25,440
Oh, sure. I mean, honestly, I think he can attest. It was a pretty casual focus.

1322
01:45:27,620 --> 01:45:33,300
The other topic I wanted to just ask about is I do think Derek brought an important topic

1323
01:45:33,300 --> 01:45:39,880
to us this evening and I would be happy to meet with Courtney, further and get a little

1324
01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:45,140
bit of update from CPW about the issue and bring that back to you in a more formalized agenda

1325
01:45:45,140 --> 01:45:45,380
item.

1326
01:45:45,560 --> 01:45:55,420
If you'd like, one of the things I mentioned in your packet is I believe Melvin's already

1327
01:45:55,420 --> 01:46:00,900
with bare-resistant canisters, and I think that's a good effort.

1328
01:46:00,980 --> 01:46:03,180
I know that Derek, on the phone with me today,

1329
01:46:03,460 --> 01:46:05,860
really was advocating, hey, can you do that this year?

1330
01:46:06,340 --> 01:46:09,040
And I said, well, I can't, because I don't have the budget for it.

1331
01:46:09,200 --> 01:46:11,200
The council could authorize to do that differently.

1332
01:46:11,900 --> 01:46:15,040
But for what it's worth, I do think that's probably

1333
01:46:15,040 --> 01:46:17,460
a topic we need to figure out a way to approach.

1334
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:19,600
And we may not approach it the same as other communities,

1335
01:46:20,140 --> 01:46:22,940
but I do think it's something that keeps coming up.

1336
01:46:22,940 --> 01:46:26,240
It's been like five years or so of that topic, so.

1337
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:30,640
And I actually thought we had some cans,

1338
01:46:30,860 --> 01:46:32,200
a handful of cans available.

1339
01:46:32,900 --> 01:46:34,060
We do, okay.

1340
01:46:34,100 --> 01:46:38,080
So it sounds like we need to get that out of here now.

1341
01:46:38,460 --> 01:46:41,040
The administrative level just so that everybody's got

1342
01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:43,160
the same number and availability.

1343
01:46:44,220 --> 01:46:46,500
We got about 24 cans available.

1344
01:46:47,620 --> 01:46:50,540
And we just purchased another 20.

1345
01:46:50,540 --> 01:46:57,580
takes about 30 for all the parks, and parks have put it in the budget to get 30 for next year.

1346
01:46:59,240 --> 01:47:07,080
And I think we should potentially look at, I mean we need information from you guys on the budget for residents that

1347
01:47:08,020 --> 01:47:11,340
high-need areas that may or may not need them.

1348
01:47:13,290 --> 01:47:21,070
Just, you know, do we need to put more cans in the budget for residents so we have them on hand?

1349
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:37,720
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean, I think the issue is the reason CPW is promoting these wildlife protection ordinances is that people don't generally choose to pay more.

1350
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:44,160
They sometimes need to be encouraged through public policy to do certain things.

1351
01:47:44,860 --> 01:47:52,100
And so I think that's been the rub is that other communities have mandated, hey, you either got to, you can put it out for 12 hours, the day, pick up,

1352
01:47:52,100 --> 01:47:54,680
and then you see they've got to go into enclosed space

1353
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:56,580
or it's got to be a bear resistance can

1354
01:47:56,580 --> 01:47:59,000
and that's just, that's just the way it goes.

1355
01:47:59,740 --> 01:48:02,360
Town of Eagle did that recently, but it was,

1356
01:48:02,360 --> 01:48:03,960
I mean, it definitely increased

1357
01:48:03,960 --> 01:48:06,940
trash hauling costs to residents significantly.

1358
01:48:07,620 --> 01:48:08,940
And I think that's been the challenge

1359
01:48:08,940 --> 01:48:12,440
is how to allocate the costs to those that are,

1360
01:48:12,440 --> 01:48:14,000
you know, it's a community wide problem,

1361
01:48:14,280 --> 01:48:16,460
but it's, you know, a narrow segment of the community

1362
01:48:16,460 --> 01:48:18,840
that's costing everyone else.

1363
01:48:18,840 --> 01:48:23,860
And so I think that's where I'm trying to just get some guidance on.

1364
01:48:23,980 --> 01:48:29,180
Would you like to hear a presentation from CPW again to get in greater detail?

1365
01:48:29,220 --> 01:48:33,520
I mean, this was a quick public comment item here.

1366
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:35,380
Citizens before Council, would that be helpful?

1367
01:48:36,160 --> 01:48:38,600
Or how do you guys want to move on that issue?

1368
01:48:39,440 --> 01:48:46,380
At the risk of being anti-Barracan, would something like saying you can't put your

1369
01:48:46,380 --> 01:48:50,280
cash cans out before 530 in the morning solve the problem.

1370
01:48:57,690 --> 01:49:02,010
There's already a on our website is from 7 to 7.

1371
01:49:02,610 --> 01:49:10,010
Cardinal Municipal Code Director can change that, which I did it was a 24 hour

1372
01:49:10,010 --> 01:49:13,090
to keep your can out before you have to take it in.

1373
01:49:13,250 --> 01:49:15,850
Now it's from 7 to 7 and it's posted on our website.

1374
01:49:17,090 --> 01:49:22,670
Maybe we should be enforcing this against people who put their cans out before 7

1375
01:49:22,670 --> 01:49:26,970
clock because I haven't seen any bear, I mean I've seen him on our street but I haven't seen

1376
01:49:26,970 --> 01:49:35,250
any bears at seven o'clock and I, Tom, I'd have to say that I'm one of those people that

1377
01:49:35,250 --> 01:49:42,370
put it out before seven, I go to work at 330 in the morning. So it's kind of one of those things

1378
01:49:42,370 --> 01:49:46,210
too. Is there anybody in your house that could put it out instead of you?

1379
01:49:46,450 --> 01:49:50,690
One of my wife was working, she was going at the same time as me so it was both of us leaving

1380
01:49:50,690 --> 01:49:58,170
and no one else is there, so I bring that to you as well because not everybody's retired.

1381
01:50:03,260 --> 01:50:14,160
And let me just ask you this to feeders. I mean, are you seeing a lot of feeders out there that are attracting bears as well as a trash?

1382
01:50:18,880 --> 01:50:19,320
And what?

1383
01:50:22,840 --> 01:50:26,180
So it's a multiple use of things.

1384
01:50:27,740 --> 01:50:34,800
Hey Malvin, do these, I've heard him mention something about the cans, unlit, unlatch when

1385
01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:38,580
they're turned upside down, do our cans do that, or is it costing us more because our guys

1386
01:50:38,580 --> 01:50:39,180
have to get out?

1387
01:50:39,240 --> 01:50:43,140
No, they're specific to our truck when it gets to a different angle, you can, you can,

1388
01:50:43,240 --> 01:50:48,480
you can Google it up, uh, Barracuda, they tested these out in Yellowstone, and with a couple

1389
01:50:48,480 --> 01:50:53,560
grizzly bears before when Shreven I were looking at it, and they can beat it up, do whatever

1390
01:50:53,560 --> 01:50:56,560
they don't open, they open at a certain angle on our truck.

1391
01:50:56,560 --> 01:51:03,840
So that's the reason, and they're, you know, they're quite pricey, but you know, along with that price comes kind of the rental fee on there.

1392
01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:11,640
If the wheels break or the last breaks, we repair it or give them a new can, so it's not just the one price deal.

1393
01:51:12,160 --> 01:51:22,640
Okay, I was just curious because if we're adding more work to our, you know, we're specifically, we're specifically to our truck. That's why we don't allow you to buy one of these hardware or anything like that

1394
01:51:22,640 --> 01:51:27,060
actually is specific to that angle of the truck that dumps that can.

1395
01:51:27,160 --> 01:51:32,420
Okay, open up. We're not liable for any damages that come from a bear trying to beat that up,

1396
01:51:32,440 --> 01:51:38,320
are we? My neighbor, their bumper was damaged and the other night the canals on top of their

1397
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:42,980
car because the bear couldn't get in it. They purchased one of the bear proof cans and

1398
01:51:43,880 --> 01:51:47,880
I just wanted to see where we were on that. No, no, they charged the bear.

1399
01:51:51,430 --> 01:51:55,550
Marissa, what do you have? Jeremy, do you need any more from us?

1400
01:51:59,330 --> 01:52:03,670
It's great to see everyone and I don't have anything else to add.

1401
01:52:04,070 --> 01:52:04,310
Adam?

1402
01:52:06,540 --> 01:52:06,760
Definitely.

1403
01:52:08,160 --> 01:52:08,560
Okay.

1404
01:52:09,960 --> 01:52:10,280
It's all.

1405
01:52:10,720 --> 01:52:13,660
We'll have to put plenty of tonight so I have nothing to do with you.

1406
01:52:14,420 --> 01:52:15,920
We have a motion to adjourn.

1407
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:17,380
It's all in favor.