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second, I apologize, one

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30 of those. So you're saying it's one of agreement. All dice with a fight. Probably would have performed as a single agreement.

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that, it looks like a hoard.

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Put it together, then, and then see if the contract should have it.

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I would probably have it.

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It should be a system I would only have to wait and know me.

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That's a old year's work there.

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You have to.

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Is it...

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Is there anything

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else

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I don't know that I could be experiencing?

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We're going to

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bring

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in the signature on there.

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Let's see, it has two separate sets of these.

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A lot of them.

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A lot of paid.

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You need an all of them.

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Wow, Dennis.

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Denver, so you had to miss Stanford.

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need you all here.

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Right.

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I'm starting.

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So there's the match.

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Which listed as the second grade minister.

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All right, I think let's play it, because if you want to agree with it, that's my music.

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I will.

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I will.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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We could probably explain it.

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All right.

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Mr. Williams.

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The

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August 17th, 2026 meeting of the Habersham County Board of Officers.

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This is a public meeting and as such, the doors in the back are to remain open at all times.

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Please silence all cell phones and now turn the meeting over to Commission Chairman Hartniss to call the meeting to order

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Okay, good afternoon. Welcome to everybody. I'm gonna call this meeting to order August 17th

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County Commission meeting, Habersham County Courthouse, Clarksville, Georgia

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Call this meeting now to order and welcome to everybody. Thank y'all for being here

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I'm gonna ask

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Commissioner Woodall to feel lead us in prayer and then Commissioner Miller to lead us in the

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Heavenly Father, we're thankful for you, for your son, and for the grace you've given

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us.

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We're reminded Lord that Your strength has made perfect in our weakness and Lord we are humble

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and we're asking for Your wisdom and for Your grace.

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Thank You for this county.

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We get to serve.

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Thank You for the citizens who have entrusted us with the leadership.

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Thank You for every county employee who serves faithfully to make a difference for our citizens.

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May You bless all that we do to not in Christ's name.

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Amen.

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Mr. Chairman, if I could interject one comment on the consent agenda portion, items D and E involve agreements related to planning services and a fuel contract for the airport.

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I'm sorry, C&D, I'm sorry, I said the wrong ones, C&D, with Kenley Horn.

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That is actually one agreement, they're listed separately initially because they had to be separately procured based upon federal law when we went through a procurement process, but it's a single agreement, so just wanted to clarify that for the record.

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So when we approve C and D, just for the record, that's a single agreement separately procured pursuant to federal law.

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I just want to make sure everybody was clear on that.

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Thank you.

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I don't think we necessarily have to amend the agenda for that.

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I don't think so either, but I wanted to raise that and make sure that was clear.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Councillors.

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All right.

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We have a motion to prove agenda is written.

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Mr. Chairman, I make the motion we have approved the agenda is written.

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And the motion is a second.

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Second.

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There's a second.

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All in favor say aye.

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Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Motion carries unanimously. All right. Presentations and announcements.

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Reconation of Grant Reeves Veterans Honor Guard. I'm going to let Commissioner Miller read this.

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I have been talking all day long and my voice is about gone. So Commissioner Miller, please.

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Okay. Thank you.

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On behalf of the Habersham County Board of Commissioners,

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It is my privilege to recognize the Grant Reaves Veterans Honor Guard and express our sincere

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appreciation for everything its members do for our veterans, their families, and the communities they serve.

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The Grant Reaves Veterans Honor Guard is a remarkable partnership representing four veteran service organizations.

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The disabled American Veterans, the veterans of Foreign Wars, the American Legion, and the veterans of Foreign Wars' auxiliary.

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6 Chartered Groups from Habersham and Rabin counties participate in the Honor Guard.

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VFW Post 7720, American Legion Post 8-4, Disabled American Veterans Chapter 15, VFW Post 4570,

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American Legion Post 2-2-0, and the VFW Post 7720 Auxiliary.

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VFW post-7720 serves as the parent organization providing accountability and helping supply and equip the honor guard.

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Together, these organizations accomplish something truly extraordinary.

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Each year, the Grant Reaves Veterans honor guard performs approximately 100 full military honors for fallen veterans.

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It is members also participate in numerous patriotic and community events throughout

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Day of Prayer, Memorial Day, Flag Day, Vietnam Veterans Day, Veterans Day, Thirteenfold

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Flag Ceremonies, School Programs, and many other important occasions.

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The significance of their work, however, cannot be measured by numbers alone.

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When a veteran passes away, the Honor Guard answers the call.

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Its members stand beside grieving families and ensure that the veterans' honorable service

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to our nation is remembered with dignity, precision, and respect.

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They perform this service without seeking recognition or reward.

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They travel to funerals and community events using their own transportation and often at their

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own personal expense, because they consider it a privilege to honor their fallen brothers

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others and sisters in arms and provide a lasting tribute to their service to the United

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States of America.

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Their military service may have ended, but their commitment to their fellow veterans

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in their country never did.

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We are especially grateful for everything the honor guard did to help make Habersham County's

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250th celebration so meaningful.

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Their participation reminded everyone present that the history we celebrate and the freedoms

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and opportunities we enjoy were secured and preserved through the courage and sacrifice of

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generations of American veterans. We are equally thankful for the important role they played in

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our Purple Heart Appreciation Day. That occasion was intended to honor those who were wounded or

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gave their lives and service to our country while also recognizing all veterans and the families who

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have supported them. The honor guards' presentation of the colors and participation throughout the program

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and brought dignity, reverence, and heartfelt meaning to the occasion.

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Their presence helped ensure that our purple heart recipients, veterans, and families

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felt seen, respected, and genuinely appreciated.

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For many of those in attendance, these moments were deeply personal, and the honor guard made

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the day special not only through the ceremonial duties they performed, but also through

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the pride, care, and sincerity they brought to every moment.

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Tonight,

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we are proud to recognize the members who make this service possible, and I will apologize if I pronounce your name incorrectly.

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Jim Morgan, Brady Morgan, Bailey Morgan, Bill McAllister, Barry Church, Bill W. Miles, Connie Barrow, Dana McCloud, Danny Stevens, David Cross, David Ruth, Doug Wayne, Ed Hendrix,

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Gary Cantwell, John Jones, Ken Franklin, Rick Chaffin, Roy Albea, Rob Wallace,

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Chris Denofrio, Robert Trusdale, Chris Clark, and Ken Sheridan. To each of you,

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please know that your work does not go unnoticed. You bring comfort to

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grieving families, preserve the traditions of military service, strengthen the bond

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among veterans and teach younger generations the meaning of patriotism, sacrifice, duty and respect.

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The Grant Reaves Veterans Honor Guard represents the very best qualities of service, loyalty,

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discipline, compassion, respect, and love of country. On behalf of the Habersham County Board of

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Commissioners and the citizens of Habersham County, thank you for your service to our nation, your

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continued devotion to your fellow veterans and the personal sacrifices you make to answer every call.

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Thank you as well for helping make both our 250th celebration and purple heart appreciation day occasions

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That so many people will remember for years to come

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It is our privilege to recognize you and it is truly our honor to have you serving in our community

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May God bless each member of the Grant Reeves veterans on our guard all of our veterans and their families

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Habrasham County and the United States of America. Thank you

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You want to come on up here?

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What's that?

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Are they?

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I'm not at the food.

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Unfortunately, there's so many of them.

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Blended?

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Here?

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I think you see very good.

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You can smell it.

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Two of us.

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It's a business.

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It's a business.

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It's a business.

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We're just going to take away from this picture anyway, what you've got. Look, this is a sharp

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Thank you all. Okay. Thank you.

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God bless y'all. Yes, sir. Thank you.

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See y'all. Appreciate y'all. Go look at the door.

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Thank you sir. Thank you sir.

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Yes, ma'am. Only a place you're seeing. Thank you, sir.

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Thank you for all you did. Thank you sir.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I know.

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It's right.

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Good to see you.

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Thank you.

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You're welcome to see you.

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Thank you.

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Well thank you sir.

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Thank you for all your help.

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I appreciate you all being here.

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Thank you sir.

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Thank you sir.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Thank you commissioner.

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Thank you for helping out.

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I can tell.

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Otherwise they were going to have to be here all night.

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Our next is going to be proclamation of August 20th, 26th, is national emergency.

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Management awareness and I'm going to let Commissioner Aikens read that.

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Please.

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Yes, sir.

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National Emergency Management Awareness Month.

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This is our County Proclamation, whereas emergencies and disasters can occur unexpectedly,

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posing significant threats to life property, the environment, and the continuity of community

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community services and whereas local emergency managers, public safety agencies, community partners, volunteers, private sector organizations, state agencies, and the federal emergency management agency dedicate countless hours to developing and supporting preparedness, response recovery and mitigation programs that protect the residents and communities of Habersham County.

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And, whereas the Habersham County Emergency Management Agency is charged with coordinating

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the capabilities, resources, plans, and partnerships necessary to prepare for, respond to, recover

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from, and mitigate emergencies and disasters affecting the county.

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And, whereas the mission area is a prevention, protection, mitigation, response, and recovery

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strengthen the county's ability to address all hazards and build a safer, more resilient

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community.

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And whereas emergency management professionals and their partners serve the public with

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commitment, compassion, and professionalism, often working behind the scenes before, during,

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and after emergencies to protect lives, property, and essential services.

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And whereas the efforts of emergency managers and their partners help residents, businesses,

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local governments and community organizations, prepare, recover, rebuild, and become more

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resilient in the face of adversity.

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Now therefore, it be it proclaimed by the Board of Commissioners of Habersham County,

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Georgia, that the month of August, 2026 is hereby recognized as National Emergency Management

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Awareness Month.

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In Habersham County in advance of Preparingness Month in September, the Board of Commissioners

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encourages all residents, businesses, agencies, and community organizations to recognize and express appreciation for emergency management professionals and partners who work diligently to prepare, protect, and serve our community against all hazards and risk.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Do we have some folks that I was looking for you?

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All right.

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Miss Melanie.

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All right.

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I guess we can go down and take a picture of Miss Melanie.

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Yeah.

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Do you have any of your other staff or folks here with you tonight?

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Tonight.

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We have a public hearing.

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Yes, sir.

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Mr. Chairman, members of the board, members of the audience.

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I will share with you the rules that will govern the public hearing for tonight's agenda.

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For the public hearing, the Board of Commissioners will allow each side those in support and those in opposition an opportunity a total of 10 minutes to speak and present their comments.

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Each speaker will be allocated a maximum of three minutes, and we will hear from as many speakers as possible within the 10 minute per side allotment.

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We will begin each public hearing with a presentation by staff, which is not subject to the timing requirements.

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From there, we will hear first from the applicant followed by those who wish to speak in support of the application for up to 10 minutes.

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Next, we will hear from those who wish to speak in opposition to the application for up to 10 minutes.

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If there's any time remaining in the originally allocated 10 minutes, the applicant will be permitted to use the remaining time to offer a rebuttal.

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After we call each public hearing, I will ask for a show of hands to identify those wishing to speak for each side and will take the speakers in the order in which I see the hands raised after hearing first from the applicant.

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When you come to speak, please come to the podium, state your name and address before commencing with your comments, and then you will have three minutes to present.

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Thank you.

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Okay,

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Mr. Beacham.

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Thank you, commissioners.

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The public hearing tonight is a public hearing for CU26-04,

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Mitchell Payne is seeking a conditional use for a go-cart slash remote control car racing track at 155 ponderosa road.

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The property is 5.58 acres in the RR rural residential district.

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When this began, it was in the L.I. low-intensity district.

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The property has two single family homes on it.

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I believe Mr. Payne lives in one and his daughter lives in the other.

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The applicant built a go-cart racing track behind his house and code enforcement received

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complaints regarding noise and traffic.

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After investigating, we decided he needed to come through this process to get your approval

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for conditional use.

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It came out there in the Planning Commission hearing that in the past they've had up

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to 150 people attending the event.

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There are multiple races throughout the evening.

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These are usually held on Friday or Saturday night.

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There's multiple heats, I guess, in the way to what they call them by age.

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and they start in the, Mr. Pan can clarify but my understanding is they start in the late afternoon and then they go into the early evening.

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We did have a large number of people speak at the planning commission meeting both for and against.

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We had a large number of people in favor.

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they were viewed the go-kart racing as a family-friendly event, some that's

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relatively portable and family-friendly. We had also a number of large

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number of people speak against it mainly for noise, dust, traffic, and things of

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that nature. The Planning Commission, we originally heard this in the July

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meeting but they decided to table it so staff could track down on additional

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information. There were some concerns about, you know, for instance, is an ambulance required

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there or firefighting equipment, something like that. And the touch base with emergency services,

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and anything less than 500 pounds, which these go-carts are, they're not legally required to have an

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ambulance on site or firefighting equipment on site. I reached out to the state and the same thing

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as long as it was less than 500 pounds, the state did not regulate these private racing tracks.

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I also reached out to Environmental Health and if this is approved before we can issue a business

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license, he would have to have a permanent bathroom. All right, now he's got some

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porta-potties up and after talking to Environmental Health, they would require a permanent

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bathroom facility to be on the side.

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The planning commission, again, they had a

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lot of concerns about this. If you're familiar with this area, they felt it was

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essentially in the middle of a residential area, a slasher agricultural area.

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They felt that a go-car track was very appropriate for Habersham County, but not

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necessarily in this place. It's first concerns about noise dust parking. One of our planning commissioners has a

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drone. He uses for engineering, he flew it. I believe it's in your packet. We did some

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calculations and there are enough parking that we feel there's enough parking on the site for up to

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you know, the 140, 150 people at 10 of these advance.

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There's approximately spaces for 60 cars to park,

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and then there's a large area for truck and trailer parking.

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So we've filled, there is sufficient parking area.

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Mr. Payne has indicated he's, he will, if approved,

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obviously build a bathroom.

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So, anyway, the planning commission, again, they held the second hearing on this on August 4th, and after a lot of debate, they decided to recommend against it.

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Now they simply made a recommendation up to nine.

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I do want to point out Mr. Payne's original application said go cart racing or remote

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control car racing.

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I'll be honest.

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Planning commission didn't discuss that a whole lot, you know, everybody talked about

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go cart racing.

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I don't know if that would have changed their mind.

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we presented it as go-cart slash remote control but the discussion was

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exclusively go-cart and they recommended against that. Do you all have any

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questions of me?

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Gentlemen, any questions? Okay, all right. If not, I'll make a

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call to the audience. If you'll raise your hand if you're here to speak in support

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of the application. Okay, I think I see the applicant and then one other person so

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So let's start with the applicant, and if you don't fill the ten minute time allotment, then we'll hear from another individual.

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Feel please come forward, sir.

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Okay, so really we just have one person to speak then.

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Okay, thank you.

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If you will, stay to your name and address, please.

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Mitchell Payne, 187, plan wherever you're going.

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I'm speaking on behalf of Mitchell Payne.

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He's listening to the concerns of the planning department.

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He followed the rules from the code enforcers that came out and he's got a plan in place.

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As far as the parking and attendance as he spoke about that, they've came out and addressed

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that we wouldn't have people out in the middle of the road.

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As far as rest room facilities, we're currently working on that for a permit rest room facilities

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these to serve crowds of up to approximately 200 people.

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The women's restroom would include two toilet stalls and two sinks.

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The men's restroom would include one toilet, one urinal, and one sink.

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In addition to that permanent restroom building, we would also have temporary, portable restroom

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units available during the event as needed.

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He's also committed to making the facility accessible for all members of the community, including

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the handicap. And safety has always been a top priority. We've always had off-duty firefighters,

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EMS personnel, registered nurses who have volunteered to be present during race events and assist

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with their medical expertise shouldn't emergency occur. He also wants to address the concerns

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that have been raised about the noise. The predator motors that we run are stock small engines

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with a stock muffler in place. This is the same general type of small utility

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engine used on equipment such as garden tillers, generators, pressure washers

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and other small engine equipment that she used on a daily basis. The sound

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level that has been discussed with go six go carts operating on the track at the

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same time, not just one go cart based on the decibels that they pulled from that.

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Mitchell is willing to work with the county on this issue.

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Thank you. If the plan, if you guys see that it would be appropriate as part of the conditional use, we are willing to operate as a stock predator only track with stock mufflers. And as far as the event schedule, you know, we were running. One not a week. And that equals to roughly about 35 events per year with the weather permitting. Obviously, you're going to have rain and snow in the winter months. So you're not going to be able to run at night. You're going to have to run during the day. So it's going to be within that.

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Um, ordinance time, um, no,

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it does, I get more dust off that dirt on the

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road. Then you do off that go cut back.

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There's no dust off the go cut,

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thank you.

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Um, what, what did you mean by saving the rest?

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What did you mean?

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I think rebuttal, OK, all right.

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Was there someone else here who wish to speak in support?

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No. Okay. You'll have seven minutes and ten seconds for rebuttal. At this time, if I could make a

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call to the audience, is there anyone here who wishes to speak in opposition? Okay. I see the first

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hand. I saw was this lady in the black shirt and then we'll take the gentleman next and then the lady

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on behind. Okay. And we'll keep you to each three minutes. Please come forward. There's how many people

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Raise your hands if you want to speak in opposition.

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One, two, and I thought the stuff three.

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And then I see another here, four.

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So we'll try to get to all of those.

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Remember, we try to divide that time into ten minutes.

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Does anybody keep in time?

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I am.

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Oh, okay.

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I got it.

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Okay.

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My name is Allison Haines.

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I live at two, seven, four.

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White Rapids drive.

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Demarest Georgia.

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White Rapids is a private road off of Ponderosa.

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After the July Planning Committee meeting, a lot of the neighbors were very concerned about what we heard about the go-kart track.

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We got together and submitted a petition to Mr. Beachham to pass along.

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I believe it had 41 signatures of that counted right.

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So I'm going to read the letter that went along with that petition.

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We respectfully request that you deny Petition CU2604.

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Our concern is not with the business itself.

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We appreciate the value of providing a recreational activity for youth.

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However, we do not believe this is the appropriate location for this type of commercial use.

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Our community is owned residential and agricultural care reason.

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We chose to live here because of its quiet rural character

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and granting this conditional use permit would alter that character

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while setting a precedent for additional commercial uses in the future.

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Even during the track's limited word of mouth operation,

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residents have experienced increased noise and traffic and that road is very narrow,

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that opening. Barely two cars can go across at the start of Condorosa, where this property is

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located.

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Neighbors have frequently discussed the noise with one another but have not made reports.

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We value our quiet neighborhood and generally prefer not to file complaints unless absolutely

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necessary. The lack of formal report should not be interpreted as the absence of ongoing problems.

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Similarly, why it was stated at the last meeting that the road had only been blocked once,

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that reflects only the number of reported incidents.

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There is only one point of entry for over 30 households in this area.

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Some of the elderly residents I talked to were concerned what if the traffic was blocking

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our road in an emergency vehicle couldn't get in, for example.

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Even with the current attendance vehicles and trailers already create congestion,

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if the business is approved and continues to grow, these problems will only increase.

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At the previous meeting of the planning committee, the committee discussed limiting attendance,

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but without a practical means of enforcement, any conditions placed may prove ineffective.

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Ponderosa Road is simply not an appropriate location for a law recreational business.

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And for these reasons, we respectfully ask that you deny the petition while we support

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the applicant's efforts and believe the business could be successful, we believe it belongs

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in an area that's appropriately zoned for commercial activity rather than this residential

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and agricultural community. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Next gentleman on the front

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road please.

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My name is Troy Lindsay. I currently live at 360 Little Mountain Road in Dalsamble,

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Georgia, but I recently purchased a piece of land on Ponderosa so that we planned to build on.

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So when we were deciding where to buy land to build, one of the things I did was check

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the zoning in the area and also the future use plan that the county had and the whole

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area was either river conservation, agricultural, residential and I relied on what the county

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provided the information on the area in order before I purchased the land.

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So for all the reasons stated by Ms. Haynes, I agree that I will request that you deny

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the application.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, sir.

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I think the lady in the back there.

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Yeah, I'm sorry, the whoever raised their hand.

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Yes.

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Yes. Thank you. Come forward.

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First time I'm here for something in my neighborhood. My name's Katie Williams.

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I live at 110 White Rapids Drive. You guys may have seen me here before.

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I'm usually here in the sport of the animal shelter, but this time this affects my neighborhood.

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One I have noticed the same thing as Allison.

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Whenever there was an event there, it was very difficult to get my car through Ponderosa Road to get to my home.

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I just drive a small Honda HRV, nothing big, but it was difficult to get that through.

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My husband has a lot of medical needs, he's on dialysis, and one morning he had a little

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blood sugar.

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I couldn't wake him up.

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I have a call 911.

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Thankfully, they were able to get right through and get to us and get him back to life, but

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I do have concerns that if this goes ahead, I'm going to call one morning, and if there's

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an event going on, they're not going to be able to get through.

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That's most of my biggest concern with it is the parking because you just can't block two sides of this road

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It's the only way we can get in if there are some other road that we get into our neighborhood

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I'd be happy to go that way, but this is the only only one way in one way out

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So those are my concerns with it. Thank you. Thank you

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And I believe there's a gentleman over here if you come forward sir.

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My name's Gavin Angulo. I live at 236 Twin River Road

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And my property borders, Mitchell Payne's property, a lot of the things that I have plan

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to say have already been discussed, so I agree with all the folks who have spoken already.

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You know, the residents that are in neighborhood, many of them have been here much longer than

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my wife and I.

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We've been here almost three years.

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And previously, you know, they've, and we have enjoyed peaceful enjoyment of our property

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until the track was under construction, it's subsequently opened.

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You know, we think it's unacceptable that one neighbor changed the neighborhood in an adverse

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manner, and it's unreasonable for all of us to have our lives negatively impacted as a

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result of this.

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There were three open race tracks that were within 40 to 60-minute drive from Ponderosa Race

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Track that the race and community can enjoy, although in previous meetings they implies

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If this is the only show that they've got to go to the only way that they can do what they like to do

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That's simply not the truth

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The supporters also like to talk about memories being made for families family friendly, and that stuff. Let me

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Let me give you a few memories to consider

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You know we can remember Friday and Saturday night sitting down at dinner and all we hear a go-kart engines that our house is rumbling from the

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vibration of these go-karts

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We can remember going to close the chicken coop at the far end of the property and hearing

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engines as if we attract side.

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We can remember the smell of exhaust and the cloud of dust, although Mitchell says there

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is no dust, there's plenty of dust rolling over the property.

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We can remember trying to wash TV and the living room is shaking and we can't turn a TV

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up loud enough to drown out the sound of the engines.

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I can remember going outside any Sunday morning to pick up paper, place chip bags and drink

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bottles on our property.

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And go into the garden after a rainfall, not being able to work on it because it's a mud pit as a result of

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You know them disturbing the not the grade of the property and destroying the buffer that was had previously existed

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Which is causing flooding on our property soil erosion. I can remember all those things and I can, you know

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And the problem is that these are the memories that are being made for for my wife and I and our neighbors

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Okay, nobody's against people having a good time in a family friendly environment, but I think that they're neglecting to consider how their actions are impacting their neighbors that are close by.

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You know, and they do have other options, you know, and Marie Payne, the operators door to posted about the track on Facebook on April 24th, 2026.

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Part of that post reads, and I quote,

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is it loud inside my house? Yes, end quote. Okay, so they know. I think they

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know that this track is a nuisance and we think it's an eye sewer. We think it hurts

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the property values in our area and we know it's a disruption to the

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residents and on neighborhood. And for those reasons and some others that I'm

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going to have to get into with with another department about the specific

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issues we're having on our property with the erosion or lack of erosion

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I know there's a control in the flooding, you know, I'm just going to respectfully ask you to write a application for the conditional license and we appreciate considering all concerns.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, sir.

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There's still a few minutes remaining. Is there anyone else who wishes to speak in opposition that I may have missed originally?

460
00:40:49,290 --> 00:40:51,530
Anyone else here to speak in opposition?

461
00:40:53,090 --> 00:40:56,370
Hearing none, I'll turn it back over to the applicant for a rebuttal.

462
00:40:56,370 --> 00:40:56,930
I

463
00:41:08,770 --> 00:41:14,230
was a drone. He showed this parking. I don't want to get in no bigger than what it is. I

464
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:16,810
Can't handle it no more

465
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:19,390
So I don't want it no bigger.

466
00:41:22,340 --> 00:41:24,560
I'll stop that. I've got the right

467
00:41:27,340 --> 00:41:27,920
look to say

468
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:28,560
I mean they

469
00:41:32,500 --> 00:41:37,760
don't need to come out there. They are no dust whenever we're doing that. How can you wet dirt?

470
00:41:38,580 --> 00:41:40,040
Break up dust a

471
00:41:49,890 --> 00:41:52,650
pave to the word you turn in to my property

472
00:41:53,450 --> 00:41:54,730
It's two lanes there.

473
00:41:56,740 --> 00:41:57,940
Oh, yeah, where they live

474
00:41:57,940 --> 00:42:02,900
this nerve but I can't help that that's not me.

475
00:42:07,370 --> 00:42:10,390
Add to that too. Mitchell as

476
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:17,620
respected has always finished by 10 p.m. every every time that we ran at eye as

477
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:24,640
far as local tracks that are around there's two. There's two within an hour.

478
00:42:25,620 --> 00:42:28,100
Anything further than that you have to drop four and a half hours.

479
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:33,240
From my family

480
00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:39,060
specifically. I have a little boy who you know from time to time he can't even

481
00:42:39,060 --> 00:42:42,100
race and we get asked all the time when are we going back to Mitchell's.

482
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:44,330
I mean

483
00:42:44,330 --> 00:42:49,310
I get the neighboring concerns but 35 times a year probably less than that

484
00:42:49,310 --> 00:42:55,390
based on the weather. And it's one day four hours. It's roughly four hours. I mean

485
00:42:55,390 --> 00:43:03,550
it's four hours one day a week. It's not like we're around here 15, 16, 17 hours

486
00:43:03,550 --> 00:43:06,990
at a time, and it's right.

487
00:43:07,290 --> 00:43:07,730
Track it.

488
00:43:08,210 --> 00:43:10,170
They more are going down Ponderosa now,

489
00:43:10,330 --> 00:43:12,650
and they, being, they keep building, building, building

490
00:43:12,650 --> 00:43:13,190
down there.

491
00:43:15,010 --> 00:43:17,190
All right, when y'all gonna do something about their traffic,

492
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,580
I live in the corner of Twin River, orchard,

493
00:43:23,660 --> 00:43:24,300
and Twin River.

494
00:43:25,220 --> 00:43:29,680
And I hear track it all day, night, all the time.

495
00:43:31,890 --> 00:43:33,110
They know nothing to do about the track.

496
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,720
I can't stop people, I'm going down the road.

497
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:37,460
from

498
00:43:44,980 --> 00:43:45,220
me.

499
00:43:45,700 --> 00:43:46,720
It's okay, Vesprice.

500
00:43:47,140 --> 00:43:49,060
Well, ma'am, could you state your name for the record?

501
00:43:49,060 --> 00:43:50,280
I realize we didn't make that.

502
00:43:51,260 --> 00:43:52,120
We should.

503
00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:53,380
Katelyn, thank you, ma'am.

504
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:58,580
Mr. Paine, when you bought the property, was it just to live there initially?

505
00:43:58,760 --> 00:43:58,900
No.

506
00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:01,120
They had chicken houses on it.

507
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:02,980
Bag of culture.

508
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:03,660
Okay.

509
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,740
And then it got changed somehow.

510
00:44:06,860 --> 00:44:09,920
And when did you start the track in relation to when you...

511
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,140
When did I start the track?

512
00:44:11,140 --> 00:44:19,420
this last year. So how long after you moved in? How long after you purchased the home and moved in?

513
00:44:20,340 --> 00:44:25,000
Oh, I've been over there 20 years. Okay. You've been there a long time and started to start

514
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:30,260
the trip. Yeah. Okay. And so the business is on twin river road and twin river orchard.

515
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,700
And was that something you approached the county about for a business license or anything?

516
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:40,360
Well, I didn't approach the county for it because I didn't.

517
00:44:41,140 --> 00:44:47,080
I wasn't taking up money, but they was money took up, and they told me I had to get business

518
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:47,400
license.

519
00:44:48,060 --> 00:44:49,660
So that's why I come to do all this.

520
00:44:50,220 --> 00:44:53,780
Otherwise, I go home and do it free.

521
00:44:54,420 --> 00:44:57,100
I don't need the money because that ain't what it's about.

522
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,860
It's about the kids, and they don't...

523
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:10,040
They were in this county for kids ago. I had 15 families by go cards for kids from four to 12.

524
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:19,140
They all told me they get out of the computer, got them off the phones, being able to learn

525
00:45:19,140 --> 00:45:28,160
mechanic in, I don't know, washing their tires, doing this, doing that. And it takes more to it than

526
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:33,960
just the go-car track. And to add to it, you know, I mentioned that, you know, there are tracks

527
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:39,440
that are three hours away. Yeah. People have to have over three hours to go to Havisham County.

528
00:45:39,940 --> 00:45:44,020
And we've talked to businesses that are local there. And you know, whenever he had to close,

529
00:45:44,020 --> 00:45:45,640
they were affected by that.

530
00:45:45,860 --> 00:45:49,220
When they were purchasing fuel at the local gas station,

531
00:45:49,460 --> 00:45:51,860
you know, they're using our local restaurants

532
00:45:51,860 --> 00:45:54,100
and bringing money into the camp.

533
00:45:55,180 --> 00:45:58,100
When they talk about racetracks,

534
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,580
they are other racetracks, but it's car.

535
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,600
My grandson raised his car.

536
00:46:07,070 --> 00:46:08,370
He was too big.

537
00:46:08,610 --> 00:46:11,170
You're out to put him in a boat cart and start with.

538
00:46:11,710 --> 00:46:12,330
But I couldn't.

539
00:46:12,650 --> 00:46:14,510
At 12 a.m., I had to put him in a car.

540
00:46:14,510 --> 00:46:23,750
are. There's the covers. You pay a little five-horse motor, ain't gonna pull the weight and

541
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:24,550
be competitive.

542
00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:30,140
Commissioners, any questions? I

543
00:46:32,570 --> 00:46:34,130
have one question for the last

544
00:46:34,130 --> 00:46:40,470
gentleman that came up, Mr. Angula. Is that right? May I just, I was going to identify

545
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:45,450
where his property was on this. If you don't mind, Mr. Chair, if you want to hold it up,

546
00:46:45,450 --> 00:46:47,070
It's right below me.

547
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:52,200
You say a fence.

548
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:58,780
Sir, would you mind coming up and, sorry, Mr. Engouli, that's

549
00:47:06,260 --> 00:47:06,940
his house, right there,

550
00:47:06,980 --> 00:47:07,720
that's the back of his,

551
00:47:10,380 --> 00:47:11,540
who's in this house?

552
00:47:15,390 --> 00:47:19,350
If we could commission, or we need him to speak from the podium, just for the cracker.

553
00:47:19,350 --> 00:47:22,410
I wonder what the question would be, what framing way, but he answered it.

554
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:32,220
And sir, if you're going to speak, if the board's going to hear your comments, we need them

555
00:47:32,220 --> 00:47:34,560
to come to the microphone just so we have it on our recording.

556
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,040
If you'd like the gentleman to come forward to Commissioner, just let him know when we'll bring him to them.

557
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:43,180
Yeah, that's what I was trying to do, but I think my question's answered on this rough to anything anymore.

558
00:47:44,020 --> 00:47:49,660
I just wanted to know where his he was talking about being right there, so I wanted to know which property was his.

559
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,640
So thank you, Mr. Plain, for answering it.

560
00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:55,380
Gentlemen, any other questions?

561
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,520
At this time, I believe the public here in his close, or you would like more questions?

562
00:48:00,740 --> 00:48:06,240
Would you be open just to run into RC cars, if it was L, I'm out to it?

563
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:17,850
If I have to, I'd like to do the go-cars, but I know you want both of them, but RC cars don't, you know, they're not, they're not ready for them.

564
00:48:18,090 --> 00:48:22,150
No noise or nothing, I mean, I'm just, I'm just curious.

565
00:48:22,450 --> 00:48:32,370
Yeah, well, I'm here for either or, but hey, if I get an item, y'all gonna send me back, I mean, it's late.

566
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,980
Your time is not up. If you would like to say anything further, you have additional time remaining?

567
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,260
No, I mean, I'm just hearing it. I can answer as though.

568
00:48:50,620 --> 00:48:56,380
Well, we took speakers and now this is rebuttal, so really it would be inappropriate to just open it up to additional comment.

569
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:04,120
At this point, unless the board wants to vote to diverge from their procedures.

570
00:49:04,340 --> 00:49:08,480
I apologize. We have to try to go by the rules and apologize.

571
00:49:22,740 --> 00:49:28,080
But you have four and a half more minutes if you'd like to complete your

572
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:32,820
about. I just, uh, the last time in planning, they got to talk

573
00:49:32,820 --> 00:49:38,240
in each other. That's some questions. But some of them don't, I

574
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:42,020
don't think knows what go-guard track is. Just like talking about

575
00:49:42,020 --> 00:49:45,980
grappling the whole parking lot. You can't do that on a go-cart

576
00:49:45,980 --> 00:49:51,540
there's a each off the ground. And the towers, you run over

577
00:49:51,540 --> 00:49:54,840
rocks, you puncher the towers. I mean, they some things.

578
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:58,060
And

579
00:49:58,540 --> 00:50:00,700
I really don't understand a

580
00:50:04,290 --> 00:50:10,190
lot of business in town, a dirt track everywhere you go, you park on grass,

581
00:50:12,270 --> 00:50:16,150
you got dirt, it's wet, keeps the dust down.

582
00:50:24,290 --> 00:50:27,310
Anything further? Anything further? No.

583
00:50:28,350 --> 00:50:32,730
Okay. Thank you, sir. With that, the public hearing is closed and the board may deliberate.

584
00:50:32,730 --> 00:50:32,890
All right.

585
00:50:33,950 --> 00:50:34,450
Okay.

586
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:38,050
Gentlemen, you all can make any comments.

587
00:50:38,250 --> 00:50:46,150
You know, we have three options, denial as recommended, approval of the request or commission

588
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:47,750
may define an alternative.

589
00:50:48,310 --> 00:50:51,110
So three different options before you gentlemen,

590
00:50:56,810 --> 00:51:00,590
ask questions among each other, deliberate before

591
00:51:00,590 --> 00:51:02,430
vote, whatever you gentlemen want to do,

592
00:51:06,020 --> 00:51:08,400
build, entertain a motion, whatever you gentlemen want

593
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:08,640
to do.

594
00:51:16,330 --> 00:51:17,330
Anybody want to make a motion?

595
00:51:17,330 --> 00:51:19,210
one way or the other, one of the three options.

596
00:51:30,500 --> 00:51:38,700
Mr. Chairman, based upon the request for being a, it's a dual use RC and GO cart which kind

597
00:51:38,700 --> 00:51:45,720
of complicates things as Commissioner McLellan brought up, what are options as far as separating

598
00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:49,880
the two, as far as operating one way and not the other?

599
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:56,460
I think that's probably a commission question for Mr. Beechham, but I don't think that's

600
00:51:56,460 --> 00:52:01,340
that even an option at this point, or is it need to be reconsidered as a separate

601
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:02,260
recommend?

602
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:07,620
I would have heard my understanding since he asked for it up front as y'all could approve

603
00:52:07,620 --> 00:52:14,660
remote control cars only, the planning commission did not recommend that, but as y'all obviously

604
00:52:14,660 --> 00:52:16,520
know y'all can follow your own.

605
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,860
Yes, I would agree with that if it's in the application, which I think Mr.

606
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,800
Beation is confirming that it was an application for both uses.

607
00:52:25,020 --> 00:52:29,940
You could grant the special use permit for only the RC cars.

608
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:35,020
And you can also grant with any conditions that you may want to plot, too.

609
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:36,780
That would be an option.

610
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:38,040
Okay,

611
00:52:40,130 --> 00:52:43,170
for me, the balance is the rights of individuals and

612
00:52:43,170 --> 00:52:49,470
rights of landowners, feel equally, and it's, if one person's actions or behavior within

613
00:52:49,470 --> 00:52:53,190
a community affects the rights of another, then there's infringement, and they can go

614
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:53,750
both ways.

615
00:52:54,430 --> 00:52:58,170
And so I hate to deny business application for somebody who's doing something good for

616
00:52:58,170 --> 00:53:02,290
the community, but I understand that it is infringing on the rights of other property owners in

617
00:53:02,290 --> 00:53:02,710
the area.

618
00:53:03,230 --> 00:53:06,970
And so that's where, you know, laws are basically written that way so that nothing I'd do

619
00:53:06,970 --> 00:53:10,690
infringes on the rights of my neighbor or another citizen.

620
00:53:10,690 --> 00:53:23,110
And so my recommendation or my thoughts are that if we're going to approve anything, it would be the RC cars only because it does, he does, he has provided ways for parking to keep them off that road.

621
00:53:23,110 --> 00:53:31,430
It sounds like that that would alleviate the concern of access to and from the road, but I know it limits the business and what you want to run.

622
00:53:31,950 --> 00:53:40,150
But the noise, and whether or not there is a concern of the infringement of rights of others, property rights of others, that's my personal concern.

623
00:53:42,610 --> 00:53:44,370
Chairman, I have one more question to you.

624
00:53:44,550 --> 00:53:45,630
If you don't mind while we're talking about this.

625
00:53:46,250 --> 00:53:50,850
Mr. Beatson, did you, I didn't see my packet, but did you receive the petition with the 41 signatures?

626
00:53:51,650 --> 00:53:56,290
Yes, sir. I actually received, I counted 51 signatures.

627
00:53:56,510 --> 00:53:58,230
I just wanted to confirm that that was accurate.

628
00:53:58,230 --> 00:54:10,210
I had one from the other side also, it was about 200 on that pro petition, I think 58

629
00:54:10,210 --> 00:54:16,150
of them were from Habersham County, but not they don't live in the area, just participants.

630
00:54:19,610 --> 00:54:23,850
Sorry, I didn't mention it but we had one petition for and a petition again.

631
00:54:24,070 --> 00:54:24,170
Right.

632
00:54:24,750 --> 00:54:25,210
I see.

633
00:54:25,490 --> 00:54:25,670
Okay.

634
00:54:33,530 --> 00:54:35,370
Those are more thoughts and comments.

635
00:54:40,310 --> 00:54:47,770
Well, Mr. Chairman, if it's okay with you, at this point, I'd make the recommendation that we do a conditional approval for RSC cars only.

636
00:54:48,490 --> 00:55:04,930
If the applicant is okay with operating a business for RSC cars only, it's the only compromise I can see that doesn't encourage on the right so the neighbors, but also allows him the opportunity to rise up the different kids in the community that would be my recommendation, I guess my motion.

637
00:55:04,930 --> 00:55:14,910
Okay. We have a motion for RC cars only on this property. Is there a second? I'll second that, Mr. Chairman.

638
00:55:15,870 --> 00:55:20,650
Okay. There's a motion and there's a second. I'll end the favor by saying aye.

639
00:55:21,150 --> 00:55:32,700
Aye. So there's three, one, two, three, all opposed. No, nay. I'm going to go with nay because that's what the commission had recommended.

640
00:55:32,700 --> 00:55:38,820
it wasn't clear to me on whether it was one or the others reason. I didn't realize that was one

641
00:55:38,820 --> 00:55:47,160
of the others. So it has passed with the remote control cars only. So if y'all, I'm sorry?

642
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:49,900
No,

643
00:55:50,020 --> 00:55:56,700
can't tonight. So if you'll get with Mr. Beach, I mean y'all. Well, just to be clear, you know,

644
00:55:56,860 --> 00:56:03,380
that was a denial of the go-carts. Yes. Yes. Yes. Well, why don't you make a secondary

645
00:56:03,380 --> 00:56:05,220
motion to the extent it's unclear to them.

646
00:56:05,260 --> 00:56:12,240
Mr. Chairman, I'll make the second-year motion that we deny the use of go-carts on the properties as part of this because it is a

647
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:17,340
contentious issue between the neighbors and the business operating as residents.

648
00:56:17,980 --> 00:56:19,760
Okay, so we have a motion to deny

649
00:56:20,420 --> 00:56:25,740
the use of regular go-carts, gas-powered go-carts on the property. Is there a second?

650
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,740
I'll second it. Okay, we have a motion in a second. I'll in favor for that motion.

651
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:39,020
All opposed, okay, so that'll be unanimous that the gas fire road's race cars will be denied

652
00:56:39,020 --> 00:56:47,880
on this property. Okay, anything else? Miss Davis, we need to go over. No, I think that covers

653
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:54,380
that agenda item. Thank you. All right. Mr. Payne, if you'll get with Mr. Beechham and y'all hammer the

654
00:56:54,380 --> 00:56:57,480
details out and you'll have a good day. Thank y'all for coming.

655
00:57:08,940 --> 00:57:12,460
Public comments and that's

656
00:57:12,460 --> 00:57:20,300
where usually the contentions rise. So Mr. Williams public comments. We are now at the

657
00:57:20,300 --> 00:57:23,320
public comment portion of the meeting. If you signed up ahead of time with the clerk

658
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:28,420
to be listed on the agenda, you will have five minutes of public comment. If you signed up

659
00:57:28,420 --> 00:57:32,360
here at the meeting, you will have three minutes of public comment. All persons addressed in

660
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,620
board shall state his or her name and you desired address.

661
00:57:36,140 --> 00:57:39,360
All remarks shall be made to the commission as a body and address to the chair.

662
00:57:39,540 --> 00:57:42,360
March shall not be made to a particular commission, commissioner.

663
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:45,800
Okay.

664
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,060
We had one person to sign up.

665
00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:50,200
We had one sign up prior to the meeting, sir.

666
00:57:50,380 --> 00:57:50,580
Mr.

667
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:51,980
Okay.

668
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:53,100
Mr. Sykes.

669
00:57:53,740 --> 00:57:54,640
Is he present?

670
00:57:55,020 --> 00:57:55,680
Mr. Sykes?

671
00:57:56,220 --> 00:57:57,060
Mr. Sykes.

672
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:58,160
He gave up.

673
00:58:08,690 --> 00:58:09,110
Watson.

674
00:58:10,070 --> 00:58:10,410
Okay.

675
00:58:10,410 --> 00:58:10,970
I

676
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,440
don't expect to take up much time.

677
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,180
Blaine wasden 399 Tennessee to drive,

678
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:27,680
and I really don't have any opinion either for or against,

679
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,720
but the topic is regarding that annexation with Baldwin.

680
00:58:32,580 --> 00:58:35,500
Just in preparing tonight for this meeting,

681
00:58:35,500 --> 00:58:36,980
I was looking through the paperwork,

682
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,660
and what I saw in the paperwork looks like,

683
00:58:40,940 --> 00:58:43,860
they're saying that I have a question about

684
00:58:43,860 --> 00:58:52,920
it might be a problem and very specifically there's a property lot that looks like it is

685
00:58:53,800 --> 00:59:01,280
listed as part of the annexation, but then when I was looking at the permissions and the signatures

686
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:12,940
and stuff like that, that lot was missing and specifically it's the 048, 022, a lot. You have to have

687
00:59:12,940 --> 00:59:21,180
that 22a. And if you look at the map, there's, you know, the lower part is already part

688
00:59:21,180 --> 00:59:25,620
of Baldwin, if I'm remembering or if I understand correctly, and they're going to be rezoning

689
00:59:25,620 --> 00:59:32,160
it, then the upper part is about to be annexed into Baldwin, but there's this little small

690
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:39,340
one acre lot that I cannot find in any of that paperwork where there's a signature saying

691
00:59:39,340 --> 00:59:59,160
I want to approve it or go with it or I give permission or whatever, so I don't have an opinion about floor against, but I remember a few months ago, there was something that was annexation that said that you can't create an island, so I wonder if this might run a foul of that.

692
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,560
Yes, they can force that, again, I'm really ignorant of law and process with annexation. I don't know if they can compel that one tiny one acre law in the middle to get annexed. So, leading ignorance, one other little thing I was going to preface, but I'll just add on my wife moving, and now I are moving into here. We love the Habersham, we love the value, the cultures, and I echo what other people say just generally.

693
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:40,180
that I also want to conserve the values and the cultures and everyone talks about change but you want the right change and you want change in the right direction. But that's just a principle.

694
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:54,140
But I question if there's a technical process or I don't want to say legal because I'll leave it to our legal experts but if there's a problem with this process with that maybe an island.

695
01:00:54,140 --> 01:00:59,200
Again, 048-022-A, I guess that's enough.

696
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:01,600
Thank you to commissioners.

697
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:02,660
Thank you, thank you for coming.

698
01:01:03,460 --> 01:01:07,040
Okay, all right, do we have anybody else?

699
01:01:08,140 --> 01:01:08,520
Nobody?

700
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,720
Okay, well, hey, I'll miss your opportunity.

701
01:01:14,660 --> 01:01:16,160
You should have signed up.

702
01:01:19,110 --> 01:01:22,650
We love you, but that

703
01:01:25,300 --> 01:01:26,620
ends come across being rude.

704
01:01:26,740 --> 01:01:29,300
I hope that, I'll just play, I'll just play and

705
01:01:29,300 --> 01:01:29,600
with you.

706
01:01:34,100 --> 01:01:40,900
Okay, all right. We are to the consent agenda. All right, gentlemen. I mean,

707
01:01:41,580 --> 01:01:46,220
we didn't hear any questions or concerns. When we approve the agenda, do I have a motion

708
01:01:46,220 --> 01:01:50,240
to approve the consent agenda? So moved. All right. Have a motion. Is there a second?

709
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:56,460
A second. A second. A motion. A second. Prove the consent agenda as written. All in favor

710
01:01:56,460 --> 01:02:03,200
say aye. Aye. Any opposed? All right. Passes unanimously. Okay. Moving on over to page

711
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:09,220
page three reports, yes, oh sorry, Mr. Sam's.

712
01:02:09,420 --> 01:02:09,740
Yes, sir,

713
01:02:11,860 --> 01:02:15,160
I'm going to try to be brief tonight because we got some new business that we

714
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:16,420
need to spend some time on.

715
01:02:18,710 --> 01:02:22,780
We are beginning the flossed educational seminars.

716
01:02:22,780 --> 01:02:27,100
We are planning those with Ashland and with the partnership Habersham, actually the state

717
01:02:27,100 --> 01:02:32,100
is now referring to the flossed as PTR loss, which is property tax relief loss.

718
01:02:32,580 --> 01:02:38,700
And so we'll be referring to it from now on as PTR lost, which will be a new

719
01:02:38,700 --> 01:02:43,380
sales tax that we're proposing to the citizens to add to the eight cents now

720
01:02:43,380 --> 01:02:47,100
as a sales tax and all the proceeds that we get for that will go back to

721
01:02:47,100 --> 01:02:50,100
rollback property taxes for the county residents.

722
01:02:50,380 --> 01:02:52,160
That's to be voted on in November.

723
01:02:52,300 --> 01:02:53,640
That is on the ballot for November.

724
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:55,340
Take effect until April.

725
01:02:55,780 --> 01:02:57,200
No, it would take effect in January.

726
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:57,880
Oh, January.

727
01:02:58,260 --> 01:03:01,000
And then we would have to take any receipts that we give

728
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:07,640
between January and June 30th of next year, and then roll back a partial year of everyone's

729
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,140
property taxes at that time.

730
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:13,320
And then we'll be collecting for a whole another year, and then the second year of it,

731
01:03:13,420 --> 01:03:17,020
we would be having a whole year of collections to roll back property taxes.

732
01:03:17,740 --> 01:03:23,860
So it's kind of a easing into the roll back, but that is something that is out there for

733
01:03:23,860 --> 01:03:28,880
the citizens, and that will cover all property owners in the county, not just homesteaded

734
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:33,140
properties as some of the state legislation that didn't pass this year was

735
01:03:33,140 --> 01:03:37,220
suggesting that we do. So we'll be to be looking for those schedules and

736
01:03:37,220 --> 01:03:41,400
things to come out for the citizens. We're going to try to get the cities involved

737
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:45,520
helping us to promote this not not necessarily promote. We have to educate. We

738
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:50,840
can't promote. We educate partnership. And the chamber is going to advertise and

739
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:56,660
advocate for us. Is that true for the last question on that? Is that true that if

740
01:03:56,660 --> 01:04:02,400
This passes by the voters that some city taxes will almost go down to zero.

741
01:04:02,820 --> 01:04:06,580
It depends on their military, yes sir.

742
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:11,700
That would be after a whole year's collection, the half of your collection not so much

743
01:04:11,700 --> 01:04:15,900
the first year, but the whole year of collection right now is estimated that it could be rolled

744
01:04:15,900 --> 01:04:16,940
back almost four meals.

745
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:22,820
So before we had the last reevaluation of property, there were two cities that weren't going to

746
01:04:22,820 --> 01:04:24,580
any milling rates whatsoever with this tax.

747
01:04:25,260 --> 01:04:27,360
But if, because it would replace their property taxes,

748
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,120
but now these like less than a mill,

749
01:04:29,300 --> 01:04:31,260
that they would be charging for their property taxes.

750
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:33,680
Are there, what are the counties around

751
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:36,040
the subordinate implemented, the flossed?

752
01:04:36,260 --> 01:04:38,840
White County, Banks County, and several,

753
01:04:39,260 --> 01:04:41,720
there's about, I think, 58 other counties

754
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:43,700
in the state of Georgia that have enacted this so far.

755
01:04:43,900 --> 01:04:44,080
Okay.

756
01:04:44,460 --> 01:04:48,040
And so far, everybody's loving it from what I hear.

757
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:50,100
I was just over in White County at a meeting

758
01:04:50,100 --> 01:04:52,820
and their residents are getting to protect

759
01:04:52,820 --> 01:04:55,140
that first six months of collections this year.

760
01:04:55,840 --> 01:05:00,260
And it's been very, of course they get a lot of tourism

761
01:05:00,260 --> 01:05:00,900
over there with Helen.

762
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,540
So they've got a lot more sales tax revenue committee

763
01:05:03,540 --> 01:05:06,080
and that is rolling their property tax back my half.

764
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:10,100
So what is White County sales tax right then

765
01:05:10,100 --> 01:05:11,880
without enacted, didn't go to eight?

766
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:13,260
I believe it went to eight, yes.

767
01:05:14,380 --> 01:05:17,860
So Bass County has a tea floss as well.

768
01:05:17,860 --> 01:05:21,920
So they could be, I think they're at 9%.

769
01:05:27,870 --> 01:05:33,970
Matty's cared for 388 animals this month, and our leftover pets, our new veterinary service, has started.

770
01:05:34,330 --> 01:05:43,610
They are using the old, or the mobile clinic that she has to do our spaying neuters with a much discounted rate than the average vets that we have.

771
01:05:44,250 --> 01:05:51,090
And also, we just, Mike told us they had this old house, which is the little house we bought in front of the aquatic center.

772
01:05:51,090 --> 01:05:55,850
He's got that renovating ready and they'll be moving into that and running their operation out of that old house

773
01:05:57,290 --> 01:06:01,410
That'll be happening and hopefully maybe I've already happened and maybe happened in next couple of weeks

774
01:06:02,470 --> 01:06:04,370
Randy reported about the purple heart day

775
01:06:04,370 --> 01:06:10,130
It was a success. We had over 150 people attend that and we just honored the honor guard there. They helped us out

776
01:06:10,130 --> 01:06:11,330
You can see

777
01:06:12,070 --> 01:06:17,770
The fire numbers that we got and we do have an EMT class or an firefighter class starting September 21st

778
01:06:17,770 --> 01:06:23,190
We got 14 recruits and two recruits on Baldwin that would be going through that and hopefully

779
01:06:23,190 --> 01:06:28,670
getting those in through the classes and ready and putting the stations by the first

780
01:06:28,670 --> 01:06:29,150
of the spring.

781
01:06:30,310 --> 01:06:37,830
I do want to say in IT or code red emergency alert system was hacked by their whole company

782
01:06:37,830 --> 01:06:45,130
was hacked by cyber security themes and so we have had to move and transfer all of our

783
01:06:45,130 --> 01:06:46,190
things to a new company.

784
01:06:46,190 --> 01:06:56,490
So, HQE is our new company and we have been able to save our people that had signed up for that service and migrate them over to the HQE.

785
01:06:57,110 --> 01:07:04,250
And as soon as we get all that family up and running and log in for that, other people can register to sign up for that.

786
01:07:04,330 --> 01:07:14,010
We would be putting that out but we were just in the process of that because they were hacked and I don't know why some of the other counties that are still using them are still using them because they've told them a lot of information.

787
01:07:14,010 --> 01:07:16,950
And they didn't really tell us, we found out second hand that they did that.

788
01:07:17,250 --> 01:07:23,370
So anyway, Tracy as security minded as she is, she shut them down right quick and we moved

789
01:07:23,370 --> 01:07:25,270
to this new service.

790
01:07:25,830 --> 01:07:30,830
So the citizens shouldn't be seeing any lack of service at this time, as long as you're signed

791
01:07:30,830 --> 01:07:31,450
up for that.

792
01:07:32,810 --> 01:07:37,390
Again, our email security gateway, we had 105,000 emails come in.

793
01:07:37,470 --> 01:07:41,470
We had 38,000 of those that were identified as potential threats, so our firewall's still

794
01:07:41,470 --> 01:07:42,850
doing there is job.

795
01:07:45,030 --> 01:07:49,930
Melanie Ballinger said that the Greenville Spartanburg weather service determined that our

796
01:07:49,930 --> 01:07:54,270
July 28th storm was actually straight line winds and not a tornado.

797
01:07:55,270 --> 01:08:00,150
We had some damage to a couple of our buildings, our fleet maintenance building, nine of the

798
01:08:00,150 --> 01:08:05,170
12 doors were blown in or out either the first ever side of the building they were owned.

799
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:11,070
So we had to secure that and order a new door and one of our dugouts at the aquatic center

800
01:08:11,070 --> 01:08:15,990
fields of the roof blew off and blew over into the next field so the new roof now

801
01:08:15,990 --> 01:08:21,130
isn't the new roof that's the demo memorial thank goodness so we've got an

802
01:08:21,130 --> 01:08:24,950
interest claiming for that and they've they're treating it all as one storm

803
01:08:24,950 --> 01:08:31,150
event right now so that'll save us on two different deductibles on the radio

804
01:08:31,150 --> 01:08:35,870
system that it's all live and going right milling so we have sent out the

805
01:08:35,870 --> 01:08:39,790
IGH to all the cities we've been going through since 2022 to the cities

806
01:08:40,350 --> 01:08:44,530
explaining to them our radio meets and its agreement and how we're going to share those

807
01:08:44,530 --> 01:08:49,670
costs with the new things and they are locked in for 15 years with our bid that we did back

808
01:08:49,670 --> 01:08:54,530
when we were doing the radio system. So they've known all this time that this is coming once the

809
01:08:54,530 --> 01:09:00,370
radio system went live. We have had a lot of turnover with different elected officials in those towns

810
01:09:00,370 --> 01:09:05,590
and we're having to go back and re-educate some of them with this process but this has been approved

811
01:09:05,590 --> 01:09:09,030
and you'll hear tonight that Crenie has already sent theirs in and we're

812
01:09:09,030 --> 01:09:13,670
approving their IGA and we're just waiting on the other cities to return that

813
01:09:13,670 --> 01:09:19,070
as well. As I said my grandmother said we talked about the nine of the 12

814
01:09:19,070 --> 01:09:23,890
relative doors station five remodel is 90% complete. The new dugouts are

815
01:09:23,890 --> 01:09:29,870
complete at Diamond Memorial our restoration of those and then our animal

816
01:09:29,870 --> 01:09:35,490
control building is walls are up they are starting to dry in so we hope that

817
01:09:35,930 --> 01:09:41,930
We'll have our November date of opening is still what they're shooting for so we're keeping our fingers crossed

818
01:09:41,930 --> 01:09:46,430
We don't have any more bad weather or rain that will prevent that but once they get it dry

819
01:09:46,430 --> 01:09:50,530
And they should be able to go to town on things. So we're really excited about that

820
01:09:51,730 --> 01:09:57,050
You guys asked about the fuel cost and revenues for the airport. We've got a report in here about that

821
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:58,870
last year we sold

822
01:10:00,750 --> 01:10:09,990
$857,000 worth of fuel, but we purchased 583,000 so between last year and since we only

823
01:10:09,990 --> 01:10:15,930
had one month to report to you to combine those for 13 months, we had a revenue of $386,000

824
01:10:15,930 --> 01:10:21,810
and $386,668 profit for the air fuel sales.

825
01:10:22,610 --> 01:10:25,830
So you can see that chart and how that works out.

826
01:10:25,830 --> 01:10:31,150
We did not purchase any fuel in July because it was kind of ordered at the end of July and it'd be in August

827
01:10:31,810 --> 01:10:32,290
expenditures

828
01:10:34,390 --> 01:10:39,810
You can see Kathy Hulkins report and all of her numbers for her clients and those that she serves

829
01:10:40,510 --> 01:10:45,890
Terry Landon had reported that we had 373 kids registered for our fault program sports

830
01:10:46,570 --> 01:10:48,830
They're listed above on the on our report

831
01:10:49,510 --> 01:10:50,950
And then we have a new program

832
01:10:50,950 --> 01:10:55,970
girls flag football and we have three actual teams that have we've been able to create

833
01:10:55,970 --> 01:11:02,010
one 10 new and two 14 new teams 26 girls that signed up so they're real excited about that

834
01:11:02,790 --> 01:11:10,070
and if you'll skip over to their memberships in July there was 3622 total check-ins to the

835
01:11:10,070 --> 01:11:17,230
aquatic center so that was kind of a little bit of a record last month and we're proud of that

836
01:11:18,130 --> 01:11:25,230
Johnny Vickers had reported 2,250 tons of commercial and residential MSW, and that was

837
01:11:25,230 --> 01:11:26,790
up 300 tons from last month.

838
01:11:27,650 --> 01:11:29,770
And you had also asked about the recycling revenue.

839
01:11:29,950 --> 01:11:33,750
So in your report, you'll see a report that is down there showing the different months

840
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:39,190
and the little chart of how those revenues have come in for the recycling that we have been

841
01:11:39,830 --> 01:11:40,310
collecting.

842
01:11:40,930 --> 01:11:45,590
Now, I do want to note that both of our recycling centers were down for a few weeks or last

843
01:11:45,590 --> 01:11:50,830
fiscal year for remodeling and upgrading so these numbers are you know because

844
01:11:50,830 --> 01:11:54,350
we had one closed at one time and one closed at another time of the year they

845
01:11:54,350 --> 01:11:59,350
are reflected in those numbers so if you have any other questions about that we

846
01:11:59,350 --> 01:12:05,530
can get that information to you and then last but not least public works they are

847
01:12:05,530 --> 01:12:10,250
still repairing gravel roads all these storms are really having wrecking havoc on

848
01:12:10,250 --> 01:12:14,230
our gravel roads and they're getting around to them as quick as they can but we

849
01:12:14,230 --> 01:12:19,290
get one fixed and here comes this big downpour and it messes up what we just done so we're doing

850
01:12:19,290 --> 01:12:29,370
our best to get around to that and then our local LMIG resurfacing program began on July 15th

851
01:12:29,370 --> 01:12:35,590
they've already completed 7.8 miles of road so far and then we also got an additional SAP grant

852
01:12:35,590 --> 01:12:37,310
from the DOT to

853
01:12:38,650 --> 01:12:46,930
Restripe 35.83 miles of road in the county at a cost of $265,000 and that is a no-cost share

854
01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:53,630
Grant from the DOT. So that's good. You've seen some some hopefully new pain on the road so that you can

855
01:12:54,410 --> 01:12:58,010
See them in some cases and then the last

856
01:12:58,790 --> 01:13:02,730
Item is last month go ahead asked about the different work zones across the county

857
01:13:02,730 --> 01:13:08,330
So I have attached maps that Mack and his staff are giving me of the different work zones.

858
01:13:08,610 --> 01:13:13,810
You've got an overall big map and then you've got five smaller maps to show you those zones.

859
01:13:14,710 --> 01:13:18,530
And those are the, they don't necessarily follow the Commissioner Districts,

860
01:13:18,810 --> 01:13:21,530
but these are the zones that we send out folks to work in.

861
01:13:22,210 --> 01:13:27,870
And hopefully that will help you guys understand when they make reports of where they'll be working.

862
01:13:28,910 --> 01:13:33,590
And that's all I got for you tonight, and I'll reserve my other comments for Mr. Trick.

863
01:13:33,750 --> 01:13:34,090
It's up here.

864
01:13:34,670 --> 01:13:36,390
We've got some good news coming to you.

865
01:13:36,490 --> 01:13:37,230
I got one.

866
01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:38,330
Yes, sir.

867
01:13:39,290 --> 01:13:40,970
This was cyclone revenue.

868
01:13:41,350 --> 01:13:46,970
I mean, we reserved $40,000 for last year, so that should be where hope we're high

869
01:13:46,970 --> 01:13:50,090
for this year, and we only took in $1,760.

870
01:13:50,910 --> 01:13:55,190
Well, we're only in that that was fiscal year, so that's July through June.

871
01:13:55,990 --> 01:14:04,230
Okay, and then we'll be we're starting July again, so I have another 11 months of revenue to add to you that any

872
01:14:09,930 --> 01:14:10,330
questions.

873
01:14:11,230 --> 01:14:19,290
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you much. Okay. All right. Old business none moving on to new business.

874
01:14:19,570 --> 01:14:25,530
Okay. Consider and approve the Intergovernmental Agreement. G.A. with City of Cornelia for use of

875
01:14:25,530 --> 01:14:30,830
any radio system and radio maintenance. Miss Belinger, you want to handle that for us?

876
01:14:40,730 --> 01:14:45,750
Okay, this is just an intergovernmental agreement with the municipalities for the maintenance

877
01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:54,290
and the use of the radio system, our P25 radio system. So we've got this sent out, all IDA

878
01:14:54,290 --> 01:14:58,390
sent out to all municipalities. Renee, you happen to be the first one to return it.

879
01:14:58,750 --> 01:14:59,610
Okay, are we?

880
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,760
We're going to do them individually as they come in, Mr. Sims, or? Yes. The only reason we're doing it individually because we don't get it all signed at the same time. They do have different meetings. So we won't be able to get them all at one time. Okay. And all the towers are up and running now. Yes. Okay. And we're hoping to have, excuse me, we're hoping to have the rest of them by the next meeting so that we can do all those at one time. Okay. All right. Very good. Okay. All right. We need to, is that something that we need to take a vote on?

881
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:30,960
Yes, please.

882
01:15:31,100 --> 01:15:31,380
All right.

883
01:15:31,700 --> 01:15:32,900
All right.

884
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:33,200
Okay.

885
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:34,380
Mr. Chairman.

886
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:39,540
I'd like to make a motion to approve the Northeast Georgia Regional Radio Network

887
01:15:39,540 --> 01:15:43,900
Intergovernmental Agreement with the City of Cornelia as presented.

888
01:15:44,660 --> 01:15:44,860
Okay.

889
01:15:45,140 --> 01:15:46,320
We have such a motion made.

890
01:15:46,580 --> 01:15:47,520
Is there a second?

891
01:15:47,820 --> 01:15:48,760
I'll second the motion.

892
01:15:48,980 --> 01:15:49,080
Okay.

893
01:15:49,220 --> 01:15:49,760
There's a motion.

894
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:50,500
There's a second.

895
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:54,620
Prove the Intergovernmental Agreement with the City of Cornelia for the use of the County Radio

896
01:15:54,620 --> 01:16:00,160
system and radio maintenance, which is motionless. Second all in favor say aye, aye, all opposed but

897
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:06,760
same sign. Okay, passes unanimously. Okay. Moving right along. Consider and approve the resolution

898
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:13,600
authorizing large sum for the Kennedy's general obligation bonds. All right, Mr. Andrew Tripp.

899
01:16:14,580 --> 01:16:20,080
You want to bring your, your, our traveling friend with you there? Yeah, well we will, we will take

900
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:23,960
Great turns, again, for the group, I'm Andrew Tritt with Seifland-Niccoes.

901
01:16:24,020 --> 01:16:24,980
I'm a bond underwriter.

902
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:29,220
Roger Murray with Murray-Varns-Pinister is bond council to the county.

903
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:34,480
We are here to report to you guys about a bond sale that took place today.

904
01:16:35,140 --> 01:16:40,180
Before I get into that, let me sort of back up and start from the beginning of this.

905
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:47,720
Back in November, the voters of Habersham County approved the renewal of Spost, and

906
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:52,300
And they also approved up to $52 million worth of general obligation bonds.

907
01:16:53,300 --> 01:16:59,980
So since that passed back in November, the county has been positioning itself up to this

908
01:16:59,980 --> 01:17:03,100
point, which is the ability to sell bonds.

909
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:07,380
What is entailed in a bond issue is a lot.

910
01:17:08,140 --> 01:17:13,740
And so the county manager, the finance director, the county attorney, the county chairman,

911
01:17:13,740 --> 01:17:16,840
when we sat down with Moody's, we had a conversation

912
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:20,120
about the credit worthiness of the county.

913
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:24,740
Think about it, it's not always a very pleasant experience.

914
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:26,080
They ask you a lot of questions,

915
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:29,320
they're sort of trying to find where all the bones

916
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:30,260
are buried, so to speak.

917
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:34,100
And so part of that process is to have an offering document.

918
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:36,400
And we call that a preliminary official statement.

919
01:17:36,540 --> 01:17:38,380
There's a lost bond document with this.

920
01:17:38,900 --> 01:17:42,580
And it's about a 60 page document that describes the county,

921
01:17:42,580 --> 01:17:47,560
is one of the tools that the rating analysts use to review the county, and what they're

922
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:53,340
trying to do is assign a credit rating or credit worthiness for Habersam County so that

923
01:17:53,340 --> 01:17:58,120
investors can use that to then know what kind of interest rate to offer, you guess.

924
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:03,140
So if you think about it, an investor might not always know who Habersam County is.

925
01:18:03,260 --> 01:18:08,840
Well, I'll fast forward a little bit and say there were $164 million worth of orders today

926
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:15,440
of folks who knew who's Habersam County was. But investors, you know, you've got a whole

927
01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:25,120
laundry list of the big boys, whether it's, you know, Goldman Asset, US Bank Trust, Wells Fargo,

928
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:31,760
Beard Investment, Vanguard, the list goes on. There's a lot of folks out there. But they might not

929
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:37,980
necessarily know who Habersam County is. But if we assign a bond rating to Habersam County, then they

930
01:18:37,980 --> 01:18:45,500
We know a different county that has that same bond rating and they say, ah, Havisham County is a lot like X, Y, Z County, and Texas, right?

931
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:52,260
So we went through that process and we ended up getting a double A3 bond rating.

932
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:55,000
That's an investment grade bond rating.

933
01:18:56,200 --> 01:19:04,400
The only wrong above the double A category is triple A, so when you're in that double A category it is very, very strong.

934
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:07,660
that allows us to market bonds really, really well.

935
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:11,300
In the Moody's report, I don't know if you guys have seen this,

936
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:15,780
but it references expanding tax space for the county.

937
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:20,120
It says things about the growing economy of the county.

938
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:23,920
It references how the 2027 budget is balanced.

939
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:27,660
There were a lot of really positive good things

940
01:19:27,660 --> 01:19:29,680
that came about through this process.

941
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,780
And it ultimately led us to what happened today.

942
01:19:33,780 --> 01:19:42,500
Okay, so our assignment was to get enough orders so that we can deposit $52 million in to

943
01:19:42,500 --> 01:19:49,700
Habersam County controlled bank account for the new addition of the jail, right, as approved by voters.

944
01:19:52,620 --> 01:20:00,460
So there were maturities from 2028 to 2047 and those are all approved by the voters where we put the dead.

945
01:20:00,460 --> 01:20:06,460
The first six years is paid by SPLOST, so there's no taxes involved with the repayment of this.

946
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:13,960
We had our assignment was to sell enough for the $50 million or $52 million bonds.

947
01:20:14,580 --> 01:20:17,560
As I alluded to earlier, we got $164 million for the orders.

948
01:20:18,380 --> 01:20:20,960
That allowed us to be aggressive with our pricing.

949
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:30,920
And ultimately, the final volume was at 3.943% for upwinded right through the whole period of time.

950
01:20:31,300 --> 01:20:33,800
So it's an excellent outcome.

951
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:40,000
It is only an outcome of that magnitude because of your staff who has put this together

952
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:46,780
because of y'all's willingness to be methodical and to be patient and to be stewards of taxpayer dollars.

953
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:50,720
and it makes our job much easier, so thank you guys for doing that.

954
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,960
You've got a couple of bond documents that you're going to improve.

955
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:57,580
Roger will talk about that with you.

956
01:20:58,220 --> 01:21:01,800
If you guys have any numbers or any questions about numbers,

957
01:21:01,820 --> 01:21:03,040
I'd be happy to answer those.

958
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:08,180
Again, I just want to reiterate how well staff did in this process.

959
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:10,340
It's been a pleasure. Thank you.

960
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:12,560
Thank you.

961
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:15,320
All right. Any questions, gentlemen?

962
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:17,480
Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

963
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:19,200
All right. Mr. Murray, you're up.

964
01:21:19,900 --> 01:21:21,740
I'm notoriously short and sweet.

965
01:21:22,060 --> 01:21:26,680
So we have a resolution that Angie and I prepared that authorizes

966
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:30,780
to the issuance of the bonds and the execution of all the related documents

967
01:21:30,780 --> 01:21:33,340
in particular one called the bond purchase agreement.

968
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:37,360
That's the document that allows you to sell the bonds to Andrew

969
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:39,460
and then he sells them ultimately to the investors.

970
01:21:39,460 --> 01:21:44,360
So, I would just ask you to motion and

971
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:46,840
authorize the adoption of the resolution.

972
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:51,680
Gentlemen, if you don't have time to,

973
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:52,800
you don't have any questions.

974
01:21:52,940 --> 01:21:53,760
Do you want to have Kenny?

975
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:56,340
Mr. Chairman, if I may.

976
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:56,840
Yes.

977
01:21:57,560 --> 01:21:57,920
Mr. Mayor?

978
01:21:58,180 --> 01:21:58,800
Mr. Simms.

979
01:21:59,740 --> 01:22:05,680
So, our first phase is via this next

980
01:22:10,100 --> 01:22:17,560
So, remind me, because I apologize, I forgot how much did we have in that splos in the,

981
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:19,320
this splos to handle.

982
01:22:19,480 --> 01:22:24,480
We have $20 million a year marked out of this current, this upcoming splos to make those payments.

983
01:22:25,140 --> 01:22:25,440
Okay.

984
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:31,260
And then what's, is the plan to, the plan is to continue that into the next splos.

985
01:22:31,260 --> 01:22:36,120
and also we will have the ability to board in prisoners for a little while

986
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:41,240
because we're building it for future use and we can potentially house in 100

987
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:45,280
prisoners or so which would net us about 2.1 million dollars based on the

988
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:49,320
average rate to how's the prisoners right now and that's excuse me that's

989
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:54,500
approximately what is it hard county hard can you recognize in real time yes hard

990
01:22:54,500 --> 01:22:57,680
can he's doing that right now and they the revenue that they bring in from

991
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:02,840
housing in-prisers and when many of them are hours, if I'm not mistaken, Robin, are

992
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:07,760
hours and so they're making their whole debt payment from the revenue they're

993
01:23:08,440 --> 01:23:13,020
making on boarding in prisoners. Okay. So we will be earmarking that money to

994
01:23:13,020 --> 01:23:18,580
make additional payments in the future as well. Okay. I need most of that but like I

995
01:23:18,580 --> 01:23:22,540
feel like we have to reiterate those things when we stop it's coming up because

996
01:23:22,540 --> 01:23:26,580
it's a lot of money. Yeah. Mr. Chairman, and there is some savings as well for

997
01:23:26,580 --> 01:23:28,140
transporting a house and prisoners out.

998
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:30,060
What is that annually from our budget?

999
01:23:31,300 --> 01:23:32,420
Depends on the year, I'm sure.

1000
01:23:32,580 --> 01:23:35,140
Depends on the year, probably I would say at least 100,000

1001
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:36,500
transport costs.

1002
01:23:36,740 --> 01:23:39,840
And then also the amount that we pay on boarding out

1003
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:42,460
prisoners, we've got budgeted for the past two years,

1004
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:45,040
300,000, but it's cost more than that to house them out.

1005
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:47,740
So we're 400 to 500, 600,000.

1006
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:50,920
So that's real savings on the budget as well.

1007
01:23:54,300 --> 01:23:56,880
Which is also, sorry, which is also

1008
01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:02,990
So well of the servicing of the bond widely.

1009
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:09,240
So to summarize it, it doesn't go into the journal fund.

1010
01:24:09,580 --> 01:24:11,560
To pay for it, we're paying for it at the whole point.

1011
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:12,940
But it doesn't affect the tax pay.

1012
01:24:13,660 --> 01:24:14,380
Yeah, good deal.

1013
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:15,400
Thank you.

1014
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:16,260
All right.

1015
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:17,020
Okay.

1016
01:24:17,620 --> 01:24:23,920
Show them if you all had time to review the document, the bond agreement document.

1017
01:24:24,440 --> 01:24:27,680
There are any questions, any more questions?

1018
01:24:30,540 --> 01:24:37,680
I'm good. Yeah. Gentlemen, we've been working on this a while. The interest rate was really good news. Yes. Yes. Very good.

1019
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:41,520
Thank you, gentlemen, for all your hard work.

1020
01:24:41,860 --> 01:24:42,020
Welcome.

1021
01:24:43,260 --> 01:24:43,420
Okay.

1022
01:24:44,540 --> 01:24:46,020
Commissioner Woodoff, any questions?

1023
01:24:46,100 --> 01:24:46,560
Yes, sir. Very good.

1024
01:24:46,900 --> 01:24:47,540
Commissioner Paolo.

1025
01:24:48,980 --> 01:24:49,500
I'm good.

1026
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:50,520
Okay. All right.

1027
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:54,320
Okay, then I guess that brings us for a long motion.

1028
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:57,120
He wants to make that motion for us.

1029
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:02,200
And Mr. Chairman, a motion to approve the bond purchase agreement and all associated

1030
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:03,680
documents, I think, would be fine.

1031
01:25:03,900 --> 01:25:03,980
Right.

1032
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:04,480
Okay.

1033
01:25:04,740 --> 01:25:05,100
All right.

1034
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:10,640
So I would like to make a motion to approve all the bond documents and all related whatever

1035
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:11,640
you said I can.

1036
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:20,220
That's ADHD and I'll already forgot what you said, all related documents.

1037
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:25,380
All related documents. All right, we have a motion, is there a second on the floor?

1038
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:28,460
I'll second that, Mr. Chairman. Okay, we have a motion, we have a second.

1039
01:25:28,740 --> 01:25:32,060
All right, all in favor by the sign of I. All right, all opposed.

1040
01:25:32,780 --> 01:25:35,160
Okay, all right, vote unanimously.

1041
01:25:35,620 --> 01:25:37,080
Thank you, gentlemen, for all your hard work.

1042
01:25:37,460 --> 01:25:37,760
Thank you.

1043
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:44,440
I think we're going to try to do the signatures as soon as the principal meeting finishes.

1044
01:25:44,660 --> 01:25:47,600
So there's two more agenda items of Yalkins that take just for a second.

1045
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:49,940
We'll try to sign those before executive session.

1046
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:56,520
If we won't make y'all stay for executive session, I'll sign those documents here in just a minute.

1047
01:25:56,660 --> 01:25:58,800
Okay. Thank y'all for coming.

1048
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:01,560
All right.

1049
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:11,600
But consider and approve the resolution 2026, 8-2-001, except on the quest by in and

1050
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:19,780
out home buyers LLC to DNX 4.122 acres of property from the City of Demarest,

1051
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:29,500
Mr.

1052
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:39,160
3131D. It is 4.122 acres. Give you a little background. It is four individual lots. Each one around the

1053
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:48,000
Naker a little more that were recorded back in 2024. I understand in the applicant contacted the

1054
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:55,700
city of Demarest about public sewer and was told, you know, engineering wise, it would not work out.

1055
01:26:55,700 --> 01:27:01,240
and he since talked to them about requesting the annexation if it didn't get

1056
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:09,040
sewer from them he did not want to be in the city of Demarice so he requested

1057
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:14,520
the annexation they said it had to come to the county first contacted our

1058
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:20,320
county attorney's office and that is correct we have to do a resolution to

1059
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:27,420
consent to the deanexation, which should be in your packet. And just on that I

1060
01:27:27,420 --> 01:27:35,560
wanted to point out that if a deanex, the property, we cannot legally zone it

1061
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:42,300
to anything until we go through the rezoning process. So there is a vision and

1062
01:27:42,300 --> 01:27:48,040
the resolution saying no permits, no land disturbing permits, nothing can be

1063
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:54,000
done on the property until we rezone it in the county I explained that to the applicant

1064
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:59,980
he was fine with it so but I did want to point that out to y'all that is if we did if

1065
01:27:59,980 --> 01:28:05,640
they de annex it I will immediately start a rezoning process and it will come back to

1066
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:12,020
y'all at that point or rezoning to some appropriate. Do you have any questions or work?

1067
01:28:12,020 --> 01:28:14,840
We're exactly as this comes the street from you.

1068
01:28:14,940 --> 01:28:15,900
Yeah, that will bring the road.

1069
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:18,120
It's South Fort Drive.

1070
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:22,300
Yes, sir, you know where that little single-wide trailer is.

1071
01:28:22,380 --> 01:28:24,240
I always got the red Dodge in front of it.

1072
01:28:25,140 --> 01:28:26,580
There's four lots behind it.

1073
01:28:26,780 --> 01:28:27,220
I don't know how.

1074
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:29,020
That's Mr. Chess.

1075
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:30,140
That's our planning director.

1076
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:32,300
He knows all Chess bro's property.

1077
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:34,160
Yeah, I didn't know that across the street.

1078
01:28:34,540 --> 01:28:35,840
Was any of that was in the city?

1079
01:28:35,940 --> 01:28:36,280
It was.

1080
01:28:36,480 --> 01:28:37,080
It was done.

1081
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:41,820
I'm not exactly sure why, but it was done at some point.

1082
01:28:41,820 --> 01:28:47,940
The house with the red Dodge truck is not in the city of Demarice but the one to the left of it is

1083
01:28:48,660 --> 01:28:57,040
It was that the only section over there this in the city. I thought double bridge only on the left was in the city

1084
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:59,340
No, we've got some on the ride also

1085
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:07,780
Really, it was done. I believe at the same time as a subdivision sub division. I didn't know that

1086
01:29:07,780 --> 01:29:08,500
other

1087
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:12,940
questions

1088
01:29:19,300 --> 01:29:27,540
Yes sir the applicant is uh in and out home buyers Zane Stewart and uh yeah he asked

1089
01:29:27,540 --> 01:29:33,180
if he needed to be here he didn't want to come for some reason I love coming to the

1090
01:29:33,180 --> 01:29:33,300
other.

1091
01:29:35,860 --> 01:29:40,440
Jim if I may ask and I soon to zoning would follow our UDO that was just recently approved

1092
01:29:40,440 --> 01:29:40,620
it.

1093
01:29:40,620 --> 01:29:41,220
What kind of?

1094
01:29:41,540 --> 01:29:43,360
Yes, I've talked to him about that.

1095
01:29:43,900 --> 01:29:46,660
These are existing roughly one acre lots.

1096
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:50,800
We've got one acre zoning beside him.

1097
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:52,820
I would probably recommend one acre zoning.

1098
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:54,000
I've talked to him about that.

1099
01:29:54,140 --> 01:29:54,680
He was fine.

1100
01:29:58,530 --> 01:29:59,790
There's no multi-family health.

1101
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:00,480
No.

1102
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:36,220
So but the lights themselves other than that little flag strip or not own double bridge, right? Just this, that, that, that, uh, south four is, uh, is an easement. And, uh, how, how are they going to get? Are they going to make an easement? And then on the backside, another easement for all those lights? Yes, sir. I mean, this, this has been approved as it's recorded as an easement along the rear of the property. We would might have, have done little different.

1103
01:30:36,220 --> 01:30:42,960
if it was in the city or I'm sorry if it was in the county but it is a legal document now there is

1104
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:47,980
an existing legal easement on the property. I guess two more questions have you all made a

1105
01:30:47,980 --> 01:30:55,000
recommendation? Your office have you all made a recommendation? No I mean I would recommend

1106
01:30:55,000 --> 01:31:01,860
to prove love it you know it's it can be in our jurisdiction or the city of

1107
01:31:01,860 --> 01:31:07,280
It doesn't really matter to me, but just to help a local property owner, I would recommend approval

1108
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:08,720
if

1109
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:14,400
Demarest approves it. I don't think this is something we need to fight for them without have they made it last question

1110
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:17,600
If they made any no my understand I asked the

1111
01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:23,960
Asked about that and they wanted to come through this process before they even heard the matter

1112
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:29,100
They didn't waste their time if the county is gonna say no, okay, all right

1113
01:31:29,900 --> 01:31:34,820
gentlemen any more questions mm-hmm okay all right thank you okay all right

1114
01:31:34,820 --> 01:31:35,440
Mr.

1115
01:31:37,780 --> 01:31:44,980
Brownland if you have something you're just okay okay the thing we're not

1116
01:31:44,980 --> 01:31:53,020
taking a bid okay all right gentlemen do we have a there's a simple motion out

1117
01:31:53,020 --> 01:31:56,760
the bottom of your page is there a is there motion on the floor regarding this

1118
01:31:56,760 --> 01:32:01,100
four acres do we have a resolution number two assigned but is yet there's not one

1119
01:32:01,100 --> 01:32:05,500
on the paperwork. So we literally just going to leave that blank at the time.

1120
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:15,420
Where's it at. Thank you for clarifying that. Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion to approve

1121
01:32:16,460 --> 01:32:31,080
Resolution 2020 resolution 2026-08-001 for the DMXation of parcel 108-031D from the City of

1122
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:33,280
We have a motion, we have a second, all in favor, but sign.

1123
01:32:33,580 --> 01:32:33,780
Aye.

1124
01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:34,400
Aye.

1125
01:32:34,900 --> 01:32:35,720
Any opposition?

1126
01:32:36,500 --> 01:32:36,860
Okay.

1127
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:38,480
Passes unanimously.

1128
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:39,540
All right.

1129
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:40,720
D.

1130
01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:43,440
Mr. Beecham, you're back up.

1131
01:32:45,900 --> 01:32:47,680
Discussion regarding cook construction.

1132
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:48,460
We

1133
01:32:51,820 --> 01:32:58,540
have received another annexation application from the city of Baldwin regarding the proposed

1134
01:32:58,540 --> 01:32:59,780
cook annexation.

1135
01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:10,480
understanding is this one is slightly different than the previous application. They want to use the 60% method of this.

1136
01:33:10,820 --> 01:33:24,440
It's a unique aspect of state law where basically they've taken area and as long as 60% of the voters in the area approve the annexation, they can they can annex the entire area.

1137
01:33:24,440 --> 01:33:46,280
Yeah, some of the new cities around Atlanta, I believe, that's how they were created, and so that's why this the gentleman that asked earlier about the property in the middle is not being signed for, you know, they're, they're probably going to be annex, whether they want to or not under this method if it approves 60% of the voters.

1138
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:51,180
In my understanding and discussions with opposing councils, they are trying to acquire

1139
01:33:51,180 --> 01:33:55,240
that property, but that property is a holdout, and so that was a good eye that you notice

1140
01:33:55,240 --> 01:34:01,600
that it was not included, but by the 60% method, they can pursue annexation of it, even without

1141
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:05,880
their approval, that they are trying to acquire it, so they're negotiating to purchase, and

1142
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:10,740
they've acknowledged that if they are not able to acquire it, the whole project will probably

1143
01:34:10,740 --> 01:34:15,640
follow-up part because it's right in the center of what they're proposing to do with the project.

1144
01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:17,380
Question of the question.

1145
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:20,840
Okay, gentleman.

1146
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:27,920
I mean, everything else is roughly the same, same objections,

1147
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:37,440
holds from my staff, you know, we think 26,000 plus trips a day is going to be a burden, you know,

1148
01:34:37,440 --> 01:34:46,320
the road is both roads are state maintained, but we provide emergency services at that intersection

1149
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:52,660
for Rex and things. It is already one of our most dangerous intersections. All of the traffic

1150
01:34:52,660 --> 01:34:57,220
leaving that area is probably going to get on one of the surrounding county roads so we expect

1151
01:34:57,220 --> 01:35:03,820
the traffic to increase for those reasons and we recommend to object to the annexation.

1152
01:35:03,820 --> 01:35:14,940
Any questions? Have we received any studies? Yes, sir. We did receive a traffic study. I believe I got it

1153
01:35:14,940 --> 01:35:28,780
Yes, just very recently but I was originally anticipated around 24,500 trips and they their engineer is saying it's going to be

1154
01:35:28,780 --> 01:35:36,300
I don't think 26 and a half thousand or so it's even going to be more traffic than I put in my staff analysis.

1155
01:35:37,540 --> 01:35:45,260
Any other impact studies on utilities or resources or anything?

1156
01:35:45,780 --> 01:35:50,260
None that I've seen if City of Bowdoin stands on, they've not shared it with us.

1157
01:35:50,700 --> 01:35:53,560
Okay. Or any required, any further impact stays required?

1158
01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:56,760
They're going to have to get through. It was called the development of regional impact

1159
01:35:57,700 --> 01:36:06,340
where they go in and look at all of those different kinds of aspects but it's not been done yet

1160
01:36:06,340 --> 01:36:11,080
to best my knowledge. Is this in conflict with any of the zoning in the area?

1161
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:18,140
Our existing zoning is suburban residential for this property that's I'm sorry that's one another

1162
01:36:18,140 --> 01:36:24,760
basis of the addiction is the change in the land use. Sorry, everything runs together.

1163
01:36:25,500 --> 01:36:34,180
Another point that was raised by staff is emergency services and response to traffic accidents, that intersection that's just beyond.

1164
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:36,220
Maybe Mike could speak to it more openly.

1165
01:36:36,660 --> 01:36:43,340
The next intersection up, level growth, that is also one of our most dangerous.

1166
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:52,740
Just given the location of this, it's inevitable that a lot of people are going to go head north and then turn right on level growth.

1167
01:36:52,740 --> 01:37:00,820
So, you know, that's the basis of some of our objections is our existing infrastructure.

1168
01:37:01,900 --> 01:37:09,840
You know, between this and the other end of the level where they're doing the small

1169
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:14,600
development in the city of Cornelia, you know, we had a traffic study done on that side

1170
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:15,040
also.

1171
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:22,220
So I think between the two, yeah, I mean, it's going to be a significant amount of traffic

1172
01:37:22,220 --> 01:37:23,000
on level growth.

1173
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:32,140
And the road south of 365 is actually a county maintained road.

1174
01:37:32,580 --> 01:37:38,420
So anything going through the red light south, you know, up to BC Grant, all that area, all

1175
01:37:38,420 --> 01:37:39,640
of that is county roads.

1176
01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:41,420
So it's in the city of Baldwin.

1177
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:45,480
I believe we've got an agreement where we maintain that portion.

1178
01:37:46,440 --> 01:37:52,140
And Mike, is it level grove and Duncan Bridge because I have in mind it's Duncan Bridge

1179
01:37:52,140 --> 01:37:58,540
had approximately 200 accidents at that intersection with Highway 365 over the last year.

1180
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:03,640
And that's some of the concern that the increased trip traffic with already having 200 acts that

1181
01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:09,560
intersection is liable to increase which produces an additional strain on the counties emergency

1182
01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:10,480
response services.

1183
01:38:15,690 --> 01:38:21,070
So what is before you tonight is a consideration of whether to file an objection

1184
01:38:21,070 --> 01:38:28,610
through the Department of Community Affairs process. That is by statute that allows you to object

1185
01:38:28,610 --> 01:38:38,630
for purposes of concerns with respect to burdens placed upon the county based upon financial impacts,

1186
01:38:38,630 --> 01:38:46,450
based upon changes to the zoning in terms of use and intensity and all those things have been documented to you through the staff reports.

1187
01:38:46,750 --> 01:39:08,490
We've also got before you a proposed resolution based upon the concerns that have been expressed that would have direction to counsel and to staff to prepare and file the objection with the Department of Community Affairs and has a proposed objection letter that details to some extent the staff comments and reports that you've already seen.

1188
01:39:08,490 --> 01:39:20,210
and heard about from Mr. Beacham tonight. So if you wish to file the objection, it would be appropriate to have someone make a motion to approve the resolution, which, again, includes as an exhibit the proposed objection letter.

1189
01:39:32,620 --> 01:39:35,420
So that motion needs two parts. Is that right? You need to.

1190
01:39:35,540 --> 01:39:38,200
No, just really just one, a motion to approve the resolution.

1191
01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:38,760
Okay.

1192
01:39:44,430 --> 01:39:49,370
And the Mr. Beacham, what was your division's recommendation?

1193
01:39:51,950 --> 01:39:58,010
We would recommend that you approve the resolution to object, resolution to object.

1194
01:39:58,690 --> 01:40:00,970
I guess we would recommend to object.

1195
01:40:01,850 --> 01:40:03,250
The legal language, but.

1196
01:40:03,990 --> 01:40:04,830
We'll do it.

1197
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:07,540
All right.

1198
01:40:07,780 --> 01:40:08,580
Gentlemen, any questions?

1199
01:40:09,980 --> 01:40:10,120
Okay.

1200
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:11,300
All right.

1201
01:40:11,480 --> 01:40:12,120
We have a motion.

1202
01:40:12,940 --> 01:40:13,460
This is a misject.

1203
01:40:14,100 --> 01:40:14,240
Yeah.

1204
01:40:14,300 --> 01:40:18,620
Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion that we approve the resolution to object.

1205
01:40:19,580 --> 01:40:20,100
Okay.

1206
01:40:20,100 --> 01:40:22,620
OK, there's a motion to approve the resolution to object.

1207
01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:24,500
Is there a second?

1208
01:40:24,860 --> 01:40:25,140
Second.

1209
01:40:25,700 --> 01:40:26,200
There's a motion.

1210
01:40:26,340 --> 01:40:26,800
There's a second.

1211
01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:29,620
All in favor say, ah, objections.

1212
01:40:30,620 --> 01:40:30,740
OK.

1213
01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:40,920
Passes unanimously to, so we will see,

1214
01:40:44,610 --> 01:40:44,810
you know,

1215
01:40:45,070 --> 01:40:46,110
we answer to the voters.

1216
01:40:47,430 --> 01:40:49,530
We try to listen to the voters.

1217
01:40:52,130 --> 01:40:52,930
All right.

1218
01:40:52,930 --> 01:41:01,910
That gentleman, in additional comments before we go into executive session.

1219
01:41:03,010 --> 01:41:08,330
I would just like to thank our staff for a great representation in New York City, including our chairman.

1220
01:41:08,830 --> 01:41:10,950
I saw some photos, I'm kidding, I'm kidding, good photos.

1221
01:41:12,070 --> 01:41:16,470
But no, it is important work of the business of the county and it was voted on by the voters to build a jail.

1222
01:41:16,470 --> 01:41:23,170
Nobody likes to build a jail, but you know the conditions of our jail and the need for it, the cost, the citizens that are in the budget already.

1223
01:41:23,170 --> 01:41:29,210
And this is a method for solving many issues for our county and I'm thankful to voters approved it

1224
01:41:29,210 --> 01:41:34,350
And I'm thankful for you guys representing the county so well and then to go to Jason's for our bond. Thank you

1225
01:41:36,430 --> 01:41:37,930
Mr. McClell, I'm good

1226
01:41:38,530 --> 01:41:39,270
Okay, gentlemen

1227
01:41:40,970 --> 01:41:45,730
Just echo what Commissioner Woodall said it's some fortunate that we need to jail that big

1228
01:41:47,510 --> 01:41:47,950
but

1229
01:41:47,950 --> 01:41:53,410
But from all indications, with communities like Hart County, which most of us have already

1230
01:41:53,410 --> 01:42:00,770
been over there to see, they built a jail big enough to actually house inmates outside

1231
01:42:00,770 --> 01:42:01,290
of their county.

1232
01:42:02,030 --> 01:42:06,910
So they're getting a measure revenue from that, but the fact is right now we're spending

1233
01:42:06,910 --> 01:42:11,370
a lot of money in anywhere from three to four to five to six hundred thousand dollars

1234
01:42:11,370 --> 01:42:16,330
in some years that I was here to spend that.

1235
01:42:16,330 --> 01:42:23,070
So there's no guarantees, but in all likelihood between additional revenue and not having to pay

1236
01:42:23,070 --> 01:42:28,710
out house inmates, there's a really high likelihood that this may be one of the smarter decisions,

1237
01:42:28,790 --> 01:42:33,210
this commission is made in a while. So I'm happy to see that. Go for it. Congratulations, Sheriff.

1238
01:42:33,930 --> 01:42:38,070
I know you'll do a good job with that. I know you've worked very hard. And our last sheriff did too,

1239
01:42:38,810 --> 01:42:42,370
there's been something that's been in the works for a long time. And the voters approved it. So

1240
01:42:42,370 --> 01:42:44,330
Yes it is. We're doing what they voted to do.

1241
01:42:47,400 --> 01:42:48,040
Mr. Miller,

1242
01:42:52,260 --> 01:42:58,560
I was honored to go with you, gentlemen, and with Mrs. Simms and Mrs.

1243
01:42:58,700 --> 01:43:02,460
Cionney, holding up there to New York, no cost of taxpayers.

1244
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:06,440
You know, we held

1245
01:43:08,720 --> 01:43:16,260
down costs and everything by various means and so it didn't cost taxpayers

1246
01:43:16,260 --> 01:43:22,100
anything for us to go up there to fight for the taxpayers to try to get as Mr.

1247
01:43:22,280 --> 01:43:29,580
Tritt explain a good rating if we had not had gone it could have gone

1248
01:43:29,580 --> 01:43:33,000
the other way and we wouldn't have got such a good rating and I appreciate

1249
01:43:33,940 --> 01:43:40,440
everybody's hard work appreciate y'all's hard work Mr. Tritt Mr. Murray I appreciate

1250
01:43:40,440 --> 01:43:44,960
everybody being here thank y'all for coming and once again I'm trying to hold

1251
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:48,360
All these meetings down, and I apologize that we're going to have to have an executive session.

1252
01:43:49,120 --> 01:43:51,040
And we're going to have to have a motion for that.

1253
01:43:51,260 --> 01:43:53,400
You can hang around if you want to, if you don't want to.

1254
01:43:53,660 --> 01:43:55,220
God bless you and thank you for coming.

1255
01:43:56,180 --> 01:44:00,280
I don't know how long the executive session is going to meet, and I apologize for that.

1256
01:44:00,460 --> 01:44:02,480
But do we have a motion for executive session?

1257
01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:08,020
Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion to go into executive session for the purpose of potential litigation.

1258
01:44:08,540 --> 01:44:09,240
And personnel.

1259
01:44:09,500 --> 01:44:09,920
And personnel.

1260
01:44:10,360 --> 01:44:10,420
Yep.

1261
01:44:11,180 --> 01:44:11,280
Okay.

1262
01:44:11,540 --> 01:44:13,100
It says property disposal.

1263
01:44:13,460 --> 01:44:14,420
And property disposal.

1264
01:44:14,420 --> 01:44:19,820
property. Yes. Okay. All right. There's a motion on the table. Is there a second?

1265
01:44:20,260 --> 01:44:24,420
A second, a motion, Mr. Chairman. All right. There's a motion. There's a second. All right. All in

1266
01:44:24,420 --> 01:44:29,300
favor say aye. When they roll call, I was going to get to that. All right.

1267
01:44:32,910 --> 01:44:34,970
Yes. Yes.

1268
01:44:47,660 --> 01:44:47,960
I think

1269
01:44:47,960 --> 01:44:56,040
you, I thought I think you got my name twice or I thought you did. So it's unanimous. Okay.

1270
01:44:56,040 --> 01:44:59,800
All right, the vote is unanimous. Okay, we're going to

1271
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:24,420
We do need to take about 10 minutes to sign those documents. Please, before we start. All right. Take a break. I'm going to be back. Good job, Mike. Yeah, very well. A lot of ground you covered tonight. Okay. And then I can just look at that for a race. I'll support.

1272
01:45:24,420 --> 01:45:24,760
Okay.

1273
01:45:27,620 --> 01:45:29,300
Son, it turned exactly like that.

1274
01:45:29,400 --> 01:45:32,020
It was good as me, you're like, my gosh.

1275
01:45:35,200 --> 01:45:36,080
Get it?

1276
03:10:48,370 --> 03:10:49,610
Brandy back. That's

1277
03:11:19,140 --> 03:11:26,360
a great point. Do you all want to return to me what we? I was just thinking that might be an appropriate.

1278
03:11:28,500 --> 03:11:32,420
Yeah, okay. Okay,

1279
03:11:38,870 --> 03:11:39,430
did you want the.

1280
03:11:42,030 --> 03:11:43,610
Yeah, that doesn't need to.

1281
03:11:46,290 --> 03:11:55,370
All right. Um, have a motion to adjourn. Um, rather, let's say reconvened back from executive section.

1282
03:11:55,370 --> 03:11:58,330
Make a motion, Mr. Chairman, to come out of the executive session.

1283
03:11:58,730 --> 03:12:01,890
All right, there's a motion, there's a second, all in favor say aye.

1284
03:12:02,050 --> 03:12:02,210
Aye.

1285
03:12:02,670 --> 03:12:03,130
Any opposed?

1286
03:12:03,550 --> 03:12:03,750
Okay.

1287
03:12:04,270 --> 03:12:04,450
All right.

1288
03:12:04,610 --> 03:12:05,670
Can you turn to your statement?

1289
03:12:05,950 --> 03:12:10,270
Yes, sir, Mr. Chairman, I will state for the record that during the executive session the

1290
03:12:10,270 --> 03:12:19,630
board discussed issues regarding potential litigation and personnel and land disposal.

1291
03:12:20,110 --> 03:12:20,230
Yes.

1292
03:12:22,110 --> 03:12:22,990
Okay, we

1293
03:12:25,330 --> 03:12:31,510
need a motion and a second to adopt the representations authorizing such an affidavit.

1294
03:12:31,710 --> 03:12:32,450
So I moved.

1295
03:12:32,790 --> 03:12:32,910
Okay.

1296
03:12:33,150 --> 03:12:33,670
Second move.

1297
03:12:33,870 --> 03:12:35,070
There's a motion there a second.

1298
03:12:35,290 --> 03:12:36,430
All in favor say aye.

1299
03:12:36,630 --> 03:12:36,870
No.

1300
03:12:37,330 --> 03:12:37,770
Okay.

1301
03:12:38,050 --> 03:12:39,490
Now we need a motion to adjourn.

1302
03:12:39,570 --> 03:12:40,430
Book the adjourn to him.

1303
03:12:40,690 --> 03:12:40,930
Okay.

1304
03:12:41,010 --> 03:12:41,990
There's a motion there a second.

1305
03:12:42,190 --> 03:12:42,490
Second.

1306
03:12:42,750 --> 03:12:43,530
All right.

1307
03:12:43,650 --> 03:12:44,310
Motion to second.

1308
03:12:44,450 --> 03:12:45,010
All in favor.

1309
03:12:46,070 --> 03:12:46,510
Okay.

1310
03:12:46,890 --> 03:12:47,310
All right.

1311
03:12:47,390 --> 03:12:47,850
We're adjourned.

1312
03:12:47,910 --> 03:12:48,090
Thank you.

1313
03:12:48,470 --> 03:12:48,910
Thank you.

1314
03:12:49,870 --> 03:12:50,810
I'm going to take the phone.