[0:00] All right, let's get started. Good
evening everyone and those in
[0:03] attendance. Uh,
welcome to the
[0:08] board of commissioners meeting of August
17th, 2026
[0:12] in accordance with the open public
meetings act. Notice of this meeting has
[0:16] been sent to the retrospect and posted
on the burrow website, burrow social
[0:20] media, and posted on the bulletin board
in Burrow Hall and is being held in
[0:25] person as well as via Zoom. May we
please stand for the pledge of
[0:30] allegiance followed by a moment of
silence.
[0:34] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
[0:39] republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[0:45] justice for all.
[0:54] » Thank you very much.
[0:59] Roll call. Commissioner Troy
>> present.
[1:02] » Commissioner Sidell
>> present.
[1:05] » Uh Commissioner uh Cole is absent as she
is out of town today.
[1:11] » We have a quorum.
Uh the very first thing I'm
[1:17] » the very first thing I want to do is
give my personal and professional thanks
[1:21] to someone. Um when we when I came onto
this board, it was in a uh runoff
[1:29] election or a special election in
November of 2024. And then in May, our
[1:34] commissioners turned over and Frank was
greeted with two new commissioners that
[1:39] needed to really learn the ropes. And um
I really want to thank our solicitor, S
[1:44] Cesleaniano, for sticking on an extra
year for us. So thank you S to allow us
[1:50] to kind of enjoy the continuity of
government and to learn the ropes. Uh so
[1:55] but tonight is S's last meeting. Um we
are having a new solicitor next year. S
[2:01] did not bid uh on the contract. So he
has other towns. Ottabon is grateful and
[2:08] we have a loss. So I wanted to and Frank
and Aar who couldn't be here wanted to
[2:14] present to you a certificate of
appreciation. Thank you
[2:17] » for all of us for for personally for the
advice that you've absolutely given me.
[2:22] » Thank you very much.
>> You saved our bacon
[2:24] » more times than uh I could eat.
[laughter]
[2:27] » Stand the center and thank you.
>> Yes.
[2:29] » You want to get down there or is up here
for fine. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate
[2:33] it.
>> Thank you guys. Everything appreciate
[2:37] it.
>> No, thanks very much. Take time.
[2:45] » All right. Next, I would like to make a
motion to wave the reading of the
[2:49] minutes and approve as submitted and
verified that actually we had them all
[2:54] to read. So, we had a lot of reading
today, last this last week. Uh the
[2:58] commissioner meetings of July 27th and
March 9th, we had a little hiccup. There
[3:02] was an absence uh and uh we we skipped
it. Uh and work session meetings of July
[3:08] 13th, 2026 and the closed meeting of
July 13th, 2026. I'm making a motion to
[3:14] wave the meeting and the minutes and
approved as submitted.
[3:17] » Second.
>> Voting on that motion. Commissioner Troy
[3:20] » in favor.
>> Commissioner Sidell
[3:22] » in favor. Next, I'm going to open the
floor for public comment on items listed
[3:28] on the agenda. These are comment period
for things that we are going to take
[3:32] action on tonight only. Uh there's
another comment period at the end uh for
[3:37] any items. Uh, so I'm make I'll make the
motion to open the floor to public
[3:42] comment for items listed on the agenda.
Can I get a second?
[3:45] » Second.
>> Voting on that motion. Commissioner Troy
[3:48] » in favor.
>> Commissioner Sidell
[3:50] » in favor.
[3:54] » The floor is open.
>> Please just come forward.
[3:59] » You just come forward for items listed
on the agenda. Yes.
[4:09] The rule is you get five minutes. If you
uh need more, you have to take your
[4:13] seat. Let others have a turn. You can
come back for one more minute.
[4:16] » Perfect. No worries at all. Yeah. Thank
you everyone.
[4:18] » The name and street and name.
>> My name my name is Alan Belatty. Uh my
[4:22] wife my wife Claudia Ruiz Belfatt and I
live at 638 Wayne Avenue.
[4:27] » Okay. If you're making comment about
Wayne Avenue, that is not on the agenda
[4:30] tonight. You're going to have to wait
until the end.
[4:32] » Oh.
>> Uh for the second comment period, but
[4:34] » just so you know. All right.
[4:40] All right. Uh, anybody may have a
comments on the agenda.
[4:47] Seeing none in the audience, I'll move
to Zoom. Any comments?
[4:55] » All right. Seeing none, I'll move the
public I'll move to close public comment
[4:58] period for agenda items. Can I get a
second? Second.
[5:02] » Voting on that motion. Commissioner Troy
>> in favor.
[5:05] » Commissioner Sidell
>> in favor. There's another time at the
[5:08] end after after our agenda items. So
just have to hang tight. Um
[5:14] next ordinances. So this is our only
ordinance on the docket this evening. It
[5:20] is the second reading and public hearing
on ordinance 202614
[5:25] amending chapter 195 entitled solid
waste. I make a motion to open the floor
[5:31] for public comment for the public
hearing of ordinance 202614. Can I get a
[5:36] second?
>> Second.
[5:37] » Voting on that motion. Commissioner Troy
>> in favor.
[5:40] » Commissioner Sidell
>> in favor. If anybody has comments on the
[5:43] trash uh ordinance, uh you may come to
the deis for five minute comment.
[5:54] Seeing none in the room, I'll move to
Zoom.
[6:01] Seeing none. Uh, so I'll make a motion
to close the public hearing and adopt as
[6:07] read the 20 ordinance 202614
amending chapter 125 entitled solid
[6:14] waste.
>> Second.
[6:15] » Second.
>> Voting on that motion. Commissioner Troy
[6:18] » in favor.
>> Commissioner Sidell
[6:20] » in favor. And as a reminder, bulk trash
will now be the second week of every
[6:26] month.
Correct. Starting September.
[6:29] » Starting in September.
[6:34] Um, next resolutions under the consent
agenda. The resolutions below have been
[6:39] placed on the consent agenda by the
board of commissioners and will be
[6:42] enacted in one motion. There will be no
separate discussion of these items
[6:46] unless requested by a board member and I
will be pulling one out at least to to
[6:51] point out. Uh, number 92, authorization
to pay vouchers. Number 93,
[6:56] authorization to insert a special item
of revenue, recycling tonnage grant.
[7:01] Number 94, authorization to insert a
special item of revenue, the New Jersey
[7:07] Alcohol Education Rehabilitation and
Enforcement Fund Grant. Authorization
[7:12] 95, the authorization to approve
appointments.
[7:16] 96, the authorization to sign service
agreements for various professional
[7:20] services. 97, authorization to sign a
shared service agreement with the
[7:24] Hadenfield Board of Education for the
Municipal Alliance Coordinator Services.
[7:29] 98, the authorization to approve change
order number one for tree and stalk
[7:33] removal bid for Falenberg tree expert.
Number 99, the authorization to release
[7:39] the performance bond Solace Weights
collection services for 2025 2026.
[7:45] 100 the authorization to release the
performance bond to Cooper the Cooper
[7:49] Health System block 11 lot 7 at 100
Grove Street. 101 the authorization to
[7:55] approve general event permit
applications of various types. 102 the
[8:00] authorization for a NOUS antique Auto
Club to hold the antique auto show. The
[8:05] auto show is coming back to Hadenfield.
And 103 the authorization for the naming
[8:10] of an unnamed roadway as Hitchner Alley.
Can I get a second?
[8:17] Second.
Uh, so I want to read the consent
[8:21] agenda, but before that, I'm going to
tell a little story.
[8:24] » Did you make a motion on No,
>> you made the motion.
[8:26] » I made a motion. You seconded, but now
we have comment. Okay. Okay. So, we've
[8:29] accepted it. Uh, so then we'll pull out
before we vote. So, last winter uh after
[8:34] that first snowstorm, uh, I got an email
from a resident, uh, of Grove Street who
[8:41] had told me an interesting story. one,
their alleyway doesn't really get
[8:45] plowed. And I said, "Well, that's a
shame." And I said, "Why doesn't the
[8:48] alleyway get plowed?" And they said,
"Well, that really doesn't have a name.
[8:51] If you don't have a name, like it it it
really kind of gets overlooked
[8:54] sometimes." But then she told me another
story, which was her husband had fallen
[8:58] ill in his car. And if you anybody knows
Grove Street, you can't park on Grove.
[9:02] So, there was an alleyway that connects
the the houses of Grove and uh and
[9:08] Colonial uh Lake and Willlets. and she
said, "I had such a hard time describing
[9:14] where we were uh because you know we
have regional dispatch. When you call
[9:19] 911, it's answered in Cherry Hill and
then they dispatch to Hadenfield." And
[9:24] it's said she couldn't say where she
was. Uh she had to drive to Grove Street
[9:28] Auto to meet the ambulance and you know,
we just said that's wrong. So what are
[9:33] we going to do about that? So we said,
"Well, it needs a name." So what we did
[9:37] is we sent a letter to all the houses
that touched that alleyway all along
[9:41] Grove all along Colonial on Willlets and
on Lake Street and said guys what do you
[9:47] want to name it? So this is the way we
reach out to the community uh to get
[9:51] feedback. You know I I like to say a lot
of times we provide the canvas and you
[9:55] provide the paint. Well this is a
wonderful paint to offer. So the
[10:00] authorization for the naming of an
unnamed roadway as Hishner Alley whereas
[10:04] NJSA4671K
[10:08] empowers a municipal governing body to
provide for the naming and changing of
[10:12] names of streets and highways. And
whereas a review has been conducted of
[10:15] the proposed name to ensure it does not
duplicate or phonetically approximate
[10:20] any existing street name in the bureau,
thereby protecting public safety and
[10:24] emergency response efficiency. And
whereas the governing body desires to
[10:28] formally name this currently unnamed
lane located between block 17 lot 14 and
[10:34] lot 12 on Lake Street intersecting with
Willlets Avenue at block 17 lots 24 and
[10:40] one and continuing on to Grove Street
between block 19 lots 4 and 3.01 to
[10:46] honor Boyd A Hitchner and whereas the
proper notice has been given and all
[10:51] requirements for the designation of said
roadway have been satisfied. Now
[10:55] therefore be resolved by the board of
commissioners of the burrow of
[10:58] Hadenfield county canon state of New
Jersey as follows. The public roadway
[11:03] described
by block and lot is hereby officially
[11:07] named Hitchner Lane. The municipal clerk
is authorized and directed to transmit a
[11:13] certified copy of this resolution to the
clown county planning board, the local
[11:17] postmaster, the municipal engineer, and
the 911 emergency dispatch coordinator.
[11:22] The Department of Public Works is
authorized to manufacture and install
[11:26] appropriate street name signs bearing
the designated name at the appropriate
[11:30] intersections. And this resolution shall
take effect immediately upon adoption.
[11:37] » Um, are there any other U consent agenda
items we would like to pull out and
[11:42] discuss?
[11:47] » Right.
>> Nope. All right. Good. Record them all.
[11:50] » Yep. And the car show is coming back.
I'll say it again. I'm very excited
[11:53] about that.
>> Um, and can we get a picture? I wanted
[11:57] to
[12:18] » you want
>> me out.
[12:23] Yes.
>> Congratulations.
[12:37] There you go. Thanks.
[12:59] » Alley fish alley. I got to change level
by the way was close. It will be
[13:04] Hitchner Alley, not Hitchner Lane.
>> Yes.
[13:07] » Yeah. I I
>> That was partially me.
[13:14] » So, no. I sit there for a second. It's
not official until we vote on it. So,
[13:17] roll call, please.
>> Voting on approval of the consent
[13:23] agenda. Commissioner Troy
>> in favor.
[13:26] » Commissioner Sidell.
>> In favor. Congratulations.
[13:29] Congratulations.
[13:34] Thank you.
>> Okay. Now, next I'm going to make a
[13:37] motion to open the floor for public
comment on anything you want. Um, do I
[13:42] get a second? Second.
>> And after she says goodbye to Ann,
[13:46] she'll take roll call.
[14:07] Good night. I see everyone.
>> It's not every day we get to name a
[14:13] street.
[14:16] » Uh, so I made a motion and there was a
second to open the floor for public
[14:20] comment.
>> Voting on that motion. Commissioner Troy
[14:23] » in favor.
>> Commissioner Sidell
[14:25] » in favor. Uh the floor is open for
public comment on all items and as you
[14:31] come up because I know some of you want
to talk about um the the Rner complex. I
[14:36] will announce that we had 65 submissions
uh by today which was the deadline to
[14:41] take submissions. So thank you for
everyone that provided comment on uh the
[14:47] plans that we will then go back and work
out fuller plans with engineer and make
[14:53] presentation to the community. Uh,
please. The floor is open.
[14:58] » I'll miss that. [laughter]
[15:04] » And you're first because you were first.
>> I'm still Alan Belatty.
[15:07] » All right. There you go. All right.
>> All right. Thank you. And uh again, uh
[15:13] my wife uh I'm Alan Belatty, my wife and
I, Claudia over Belf Fatty. We live 638
[15:17] Wayne Avenue. Uh we lived here about 10
years. We bought our house because of
[15:21] the culde-sac. Um, that's why we bought
this property and that's why we live
[15:25] where we live. Um, and you know, parking
on our street is already a complete
[15:29] nightmare, especially during the
summertime with the activities at Radner
[15:33] Field. However, we understand, you know,
it's just part of we we didn't want to
[15:36] cause a stink for 10 year. You know, we
understand like the kids are just trying
[15:39] to go watch the game and stuff like
that. So, we've kept quiet about it. But
[15:43] to try and turn our street into a bus
terminal, which the proposed plan
[15:47] basically would do.
>> Uh, go ahead. have these I can pat them
[15:51] around
>> because I know the deadline is today. So
[15:59] » you you keep talking while you're doing
that.
[16:01] » Yeah. Great. So I mean basically what
it's when after looking at the plans and
[16:05] stuff like that where it's instead of
doing what is proposed it makes all the
[16:09] sense in the world to revamp the other
side of the field as opposed to causing
[16:13] havoc on our side. Um and that's
basically what this is all about.
[16:22] Thank you.
[16:28] » So, this is an alternative proposal,
>> correct?
[16:30] » Two of them.
>> Oh, I see that, too. Okay.
[16:34] » Correct. Yeah.
>> No, that's what I
[16:37] » Oh, yeah. One one's the original, one's
the proposed uh doing it on the other
[16:41] side of the street, which which
obviously makes a lot more sense. the
[16:45] originals.
>> This was like a little bit. We moved a
[16:48] little bit over the
>> Yeah, that's right. It did look a little
[16:50] different.
>> Yeah, it a little different. We put the
[16:52] parking here and everything. So,
>> yes, there's two different two different
[16:57] plans from our original.
>> All right. Thank you for providing that.
[17:02] » Yeah, absolutely. And that and that's
it.
[17:04] » Oh, that's okay.
>> Yeah, because today was the deadline.
[17:06] So, I just want to make sure that I know
Mr. Salvatore, he
[17:11] » Miss Salvatore.
>> Oh, no. It's not Salvatore Siciliano. It
[17:15] was
>> Louise Salvat Salvatore. Yeah,
[17:18] » I'm at 634 Wayne Avenue, too. And we
also was was wanted to talk about
[17:24] » Yeah. Sorry.
>> No, no, I'd give it to her and I heard
[17:26] » Oh, okay. Um, we also need to address
also the the bathroom facilities. I
[17:32] don't know if you noticed the I mean,
it's in terrible condition and I've been
[17:36] living there for 29 years and nothing
has been done uh to make it look better.
[17:41] clean the bathrooms a little bit,
repaint it and all that stuff. So, uh,
[17:46] but hopefully, you know, the new
proposed, I know, like you said, you had
[17:49] 65, uh, some metals and, uh, hopefully
one of them will help us, um, with not,
[17:56] uh, opening the culdeac and that's what
we're here for as we don't
[18:00] » and I just changed the 66.
>> Thank you.
[18:03] » All right. No, thanks, chair. All right.
Thank you.
[18:10] Any other comments from the floor on any
topic?
[18:20] » Hello.
>> Oh, hey Bob.
[18:21] » Hey, Robert Marshall, Maple Avenue, 514.
Um, actually more of a this is uh more
[18:28] of a an invitation. I'm a former
president of the historic society and um
[18:34] if the engineers in the burrow are not
familiar with our archive center, we
[18:40] have maps going back to 1877.
Um one in particular that's Philadelphia
[18:47] and the environs
and also a map of 1907.
[18:53] Uh the area of Rner Field uh was likely
never developed because it shouldn't be
[18:59] developed. Um and I was gratified to see
that you're proposing recreation and not
[19:05] some type of imperous cover.
>> It it can't be it can't be built upon.
[19:10] » It's green acres,
>> right? Um but if you look at those maps,
[19:13] you'll see it's a site that wants to be
wet. It's a natural rain garden. even
[19:19] during droughts that that ground is
spongy. Um and um if you if they're not
[19:26] aware of that um the the concern is
engineers are you know terrific at
[19:32] saying well we can take put this all in
a pipe but we saw what happened over in
[19:37] Barbberry and Homestead
u during the great floods of 2019. Who
[19:43] can forget that? I will never forget
that. Um, the residents received on the
[19:49] choose landing and station received a
letter from the engineer for New Jersey
[19:55] flood plane management.
And I've never seen the engineer send a
[19:59] three-page letter back to a resident,
but he went through all the old maps and
[20:04] he said, "This is probably the last area
to be developed in Hadenfield because it
[20:09] never should have been developed." And
that's why
[20:13] everything was being piped to towards
one inlet, you know, and and uh clearly
[20:19] inadequate for 400 acres. So, I'm
gratified that the burrow is keeping it
[20:25] in open space. Um I hope they don't add
at all to the impervious cover. Um, and
[20:31] I'd like to echo the earlier comment
that uh we sympathize with the folks on
[20:37] Radner that have traffic going through
and their sports events. Um, and I agree
[20:43] and I sympathize the idea of creating
another street with that same traffic
[20:50] pattern. Um, I think you that should be
given serious consideration whether to
[20:55] do that.
>> So, right.
[20:58] » Well, thanks Bob.
>> That's it. Thank you, Bob.
[21:12] Good evening, Angela Toledo, 635 Wayne
Avenue.
[21:20] So, I am a 15-year resident, as I stated
a couple weeks ago, here at the
[21:25] commissioner's meeting of Wayne Avenue,
and I, too, purchased my home
[21:29] specifically because it was a culde-sac.
My then husband and I were very excited
[21:35] to be in a quiet, low traffic street. We
had hoped to have a family, but that
[21:40] sadly did not happen for us. But
luckily, despite some hardships, I was
[21:46] able to keep the home, keep my cat,
[laughter]
[21:50] and keep the lovely family community
that I had uh
[21:56] fostered by living on Wayne Avenue. Um I
won't name names, but there are people
[22:00] here in attendance tonight that are
considered the informal mayor and mayor,
[22:07] if that's a word, of Wayne Avenue. and
they welcomed my then husband and I with
[22:13] open arms and they said you're really
purchasing the bestkept secret in
[22:18] Hadenfield and they were right. Um it
it's kind of like a slice of Americana.
[22:23] We have people from all different
backgrounds that live on the street
[22:28] probably every single one I think
there's 18 20 homes. We can name each
[22:33] other's names. We know each other. We
share sugar when somebody's baking a
[22:38] pie. Um it's a very safe area and part
of that truly is because it's a
[22:43] culde-sac. Uh kids play freely in their
bikes. Today we have a family from South
[22:50] Africa who rent and they were literally
playing in that culde-sac area. She was
[22:55] not aware of the upcoming proposals and
she was a gas. She's got two young boys
[23:01] with adorable accents and a little cat.
And yes, we're not technically supposed
[23:07] to play on the street, but if you look
at old mo old old movies of America, you
[23:13] know, they they can play there with
their bikes. They put their helmets on
[23:16] and they feel very safe doing so. And
that family is literally on the end of
[23:21] the street. So, if Wayne Avenue is
opened up, this will not be possible for
[23:26] them to do anymore. And it's adorable. I
mean, yes, [snorts]
[23:30] there's other factors, safety, traffic,
noise, but I love looking outside my
[23:37] dining room window, which is a great big
window. I'm I'm three houses from the
[23:40] park, and I can see kids playing in the
street, and it's wonderful. Where do you
[23:45] get that in today's society? You really
don't. But we do have it on Wayne
[23:49] Avenue, and we're heartbroken to think
that it may not be the that way if the
[23:54] street is opened. So, that's that's one
thing. Um, as I had mentioned before,
[23:59] I'm an interior designer by profession
from Drexel. Woohoo. Drexel Dragons. Um,
[24:05] and looking at the proposed plan from
the burrow, it just seems really
[24:09] intensively developed. There's no space
to breathe in this concept. I understand
[24:15] the need to have fields that rest. I
think it Cole mentioned that in a
[24:20] Facebook post. Uh, that makes perfect
sense. But it it really is very very
[24:26] densely planned. So um I did send an
email to um Mr. Salvat Sal Siciliano.
[24:35] » No no no Salvatore.
>> Sorry Salvatore. Yeah,
[24:40] » pardon me. And the commissioners uh just
an hour before the meeting um where I go
[24:45] into a little bit more detail. You know,
one idea is to maybe remove some of the
[24:50] benches that are in the um children's
playground area and add them to the area
[24:59] um the pathway so that it's not just
oriented towards sports. Somebody say
[25:06] from town can go there and read a book,
enjoy the sunset. As I was mentioning uh
[25:12] to Mr. Sidell before the meeting
started. I often go there in the early
[25:16] morning when it's really quiet and it's,
you know, sometimes misty and it's
[25:21] beautiful. It's it's just a wonderful
place of open space. Um, in my email, I
[25:27] also addressed um adding trees if this
plan does go forward as proposed.
[25:34] Visually, I didn't move to Hadenfield to
look at a parking lot. I'm just going to
[25:40] say it. Um, and not only would it help
with the visual aesthetics, but trees
[25:46] would enhance wildlife habitat, they
would also cut down on noise um and and
[25:54] also absorb water. So it it's only a
plus to consider and please consult the
[25:59] Shade Tree Commission which I know is on
uh you know the agenda to do in the
[26:03] future because I think there's some
really wise people on that commission
[26:07] that would have a lot of expertise to
add to this program. Um, along the lines
[26:13] of fencing, I would also urge the
planners to limit the use of fencing as
[26:19] much as possible just to keep just to
keep the open feeling of the space that
[26:25] we love so much. And I included a
picture of one of my visits there so you
[26:29] could see what a beautiful space it is.
So, thank you so much.
[26:31] » Oh, no. Thank you, Angel.
[26:35] » All right. Any other comments? All
right.
[26:41] name and street.
>> I don't need a mic. You You'll be able
[26:43] to
>> No, no, you do because of Zoom.
[26:45] » Oh, okay. My name is Katie Pelgi. Me and
my husband Mike just moved to Wayne
[26:52] about 2 years ago. And the reason why we
did move there is because of the
[26:56] culdeac. It felt like a great place to
start and raise a family, especially
[27:01] because of safety reasons. I don't want
to make as much comments. I do want to
[27:06] ask some questions. Is this a good one
to
[27:08] » be able to answer? We might not be able
to. It's really a concept.
[27:12] » Okay. In the proposed plan that we all
received, there's two fields, soccer
[27:16] fields. One is not at the legal size for
a let's say a high school match. And I'm
[27:24] wondering what the reason for that is.
Is it as a practice field? Is it just to
[27:28] spend the money given or
>> No. All their most of the fields at even
[27:34] at Crowswoods Green Acres, we have very
few legalsized soccer fields. Yeah.
[27:40] » Different ages. 909 soccer is the most
prevalent soccer in town.
[27:44] » Right. So, is the purpose of this to
kind of
[27:48] allow for more soccer in town to occur
at the same time or what would
[27:54] » Let her ask her question.
>> Oh, yeah. So, we don't waste your time.
[27:57] » Yes. Thank you for answering.
>> Thank you. So, what is the purpose of
[28:01] these fields? because there is already a
field on the baseball field that is used
[28:05] for field hockey, particularly high
school field hockey. So, what would be
[28:10] the purpose of the other two fields?
>> Do you have any other questions first,
[28:14] Katie?
>> Uh, yeah. The other question I have is
[28:17] for that far baseball field that isn't
used by any little league or high school
[28:24] program. It's by like a men's league is
usually on there or people from not
[28:29] Henfield use it. Is that kept for their
need or is that going to be also used
[28:37] for youth sports here or for the high
school baseball team? And then that
[28:42] would be it. Just
>> so the dirt field at at Farwood is used
[28:47] by Babe Ruth which is part of the little
league uh thing. It is used by the high
[28:52] school for freshman and JV baseball. And
it is used by various youth I mean adult
[28:57] groups. Uh most of them are town
uh baseball groups. So the Hadenfield
[29:03] Ruff Riders and Hatiffield Kings are two
adult leagues primarily of Hadenfield
[29:08] residents. So that's what that baseball
field's used. Um baseball is is no
[29:13] longer just a spring sport. So there's
fall ball that happens both at the Babe
[29:18] Ruth level and at the uh adult level.
So, uh, the struggle of field leverage
[29:27] is field hockey using the outfield, you
know, so it's it becomes a scheduling
[29:32] thing. Uh, we don't know what the
scheduling impact's going to be because
[29:37] now the high school's got another turf
field, too. So, that all gets to be
[29:40] brought in here. And the size of the
fields, the most the biggest program
[29:44] size is 9 9v9, uh, which does not need
or even require a fullsize soccer field.
[29:51] Uh, so that would be for youth sports.
>> So to just to come back to the two
[29:55] fields, if you were to use them for
other sports like let's say lacrosse,
[30:00] that would probably need some netting if
it's at a higher level. Does that mean
[30:04] you're going to net going around those
fields as well?
[30:07] » So nothing has been finalized yet.
>> Okay. I'm just asking about like what
[30:11] the the purpose.
>> So nothing's been finalized yet. Um,
[30:16] these are all youth sports. So, it's
except for the baseball, it is typically
[30:20] not high school sports.
>> Okay.
[30:22] » We anticipate that except for baseball,
the high school will move all of their
[30:26] sports over onto their facilities
because this is now owned by the burrow.
[30:30] » Right. Right.
>> So, um this is for small kids. Um it is
[30:36] mostly practice. Most of the games are
on other fields. Okay. It is also put in
[30:42] place because we're we have a number of
grass fields in town that are not being
[30:48] maintained to a level that people want
them maintained to.
[30:51] » Agreed.
>> But the only way but they're overused.
[30:54] » So the only way that that can be done is
if you have an ability to rest fields.
[30:58] » Okay. These will be able to be
maintained as well then.
[31:01] » Yes. That's all part of the cycle that
is anticipated being able to shift
[31:05] things around so that not so at any
given time we might be able to rest a
[31:10] field to start to better improve the
conditions of our fields.
[31:13] » Right. Because when cleats dig it up
then it's all mud and there are no more
[31:17] grass. So
>> and the primary lacrosse field for
[31:19] practice in town is Centennial Field. It
is not netted.
[31:22] » Yeah. And Radner and that or um what's
that one down from Centennial? Scout.
[31:27] » I mean Scout
>> Scout Field. Yeah. That as well.
[31:30] » That's not netted. That's not either.
>> Yeah.
[31:33] » Okay. Okay. Thank you.
[31:48] » Hi, my name is Alex Peli. I live on
Westmont Avenue, 115 Westmont Avenue. So
[31:55] the 100 block of Westmont Avenue,
there's a house being having a major
[32:00] addition to it. I called the police
department one day a couple of times
[32:06] because they had, you know, so that
block, one side you can't park on. You
[32:11] could only park on one side of the
street. First of all, I asked the
[32:15] construction people, I couldn't pull out
of my driveway, could they pull the
[32:18] truck to the side they're supposed to
park on. And he goes, "What are you
[32:21] complaining about? Have them replace the
signs. We can't read them. Now, the
[32:24] signs that say do not park on this side
of the street are worn out, but you
[32:30] could clearly say they don't park in
this side of the street. So, police
[32:33] officer came from the police department.
I seen her talking to the construction
[32:38] die. Then she knocked on my door and she
says to me, "What's the big deal?
[32:42] They're going to move the truck for you
so you could pull out." I said, "Okay,
[32:46] I'll do that, but what happens when I
pull in?"
[32:50] I mean, it's ridiculous. either we're
going to park in that side of street or
[32:53] we're not going to park in that side of
street and we're going to stay on top of
[32:56] these construction people. I mean, they
had five trucks out there, okay? Not
[33:01] just blocking my driveway. And then
another ca neighbor came out. They're
[33:04] blocking his driveway. And I said, well,
the police officer says, you know,
[33:07] they'll just move it if they need to
move it. Well, why can't they park on
[33:11] the side that they're supposed to park
on?
[33:14] That's what I was told by the police
officer. Just let it be. And I don't
[33:18] think that was fair.
>> Okay. Thanks for bringing it to our
[33:21] attention.
>> And if we could replace those signs that
[33:23] say you can only park at one side of the
street.
[33:28] » Yep.
>> We'll take a look.
[33:44] Hi, I'm Sher Salac 623 Wayne.
Is
[33:50] that Wayne Avenue? Sorry. Sorry.
>> Yep.
[33:56] » So, I've been there for 28 years. So,
raised my kids there and uh we moved in
[34:04] and it was same thing. It was because it
is a
[34:09] deadend street. Kids, same thing.
They've been playing in that street
[34:14] forever. I have my one son who wanted to
go on Zoom. He's like, "I'm not talking
[34:18] on Zoom." But he has moved out and back
in. And he's appalled because we have
[34:23] this very tiny street that you're
allowed to park on one side of the
[34:28] street. And I'm one of my concerns is
that whenever we have the baseball games
[34:35] as it is, they block us in because
they're parked everywhere. And if we
[34:40] suddenly have a through street, I know
for years and years there'll be a
[34:43] baseball game or there'll be a practice
and the kids like zoom to the end and
[34:48] they realize it's a dead end and they
zoom back out and they're going to take
[34:52] people out because it's very narrow
street and then they park on the one
[34:56] side and it makes it very difficult. I
know. I have had concerns over the years
[35:01] that we know that there's the flooding
that goes across on the other end of
[35:04] town, but we get a lot of flooding. Like
Angela didn't mention like her house got
[35:08] flooded last year. My neighbor across
the street got flooded and from what
[35:13] I've been told over the years and I
think you were mentioning is that there
[35:18] we've been told that there is an
underground
[35:23] pond like I don't know what exactly it
is, but we've been told that. I know I
[35:28] had for about 2 years that something
must have shifted but I kept getting
[35:33] flooding and everyone says we don't know
where it's coming from. It just would
[35:36] come into the basement. I have a lot of
concerns like I don't understand
[35:41] how at the end of the street there's the
retaining basin and
[35:47] you know we always have where we just
jump over it because there's like a
[35:49] block of wood there and I'm have
concerns of what happens to that
[35:54] retaining basin if they start changing
everything. Are the the flood lines
[35:59] going to change in our area? Are we
going to have more flooding in our
[36:03] basements? I'm very concerned about
that. I'm concerned about the traffic. I
[36:07] know what noise is normally like when
there's a baseball game and they have,
[36:11] you know, the music going and we can
hear it and I'm like, it's here and
[36:15] there. It's not that awful. But if
they're constantly zipping through our
[36:19] road on top of it, I'm very concerned
about the additional traffic that's
[36:23] going through our area. Um, does it
change anything as far as property
[36:28] values because we're suddenly not a
dead-end street anymore? Um I'm trying
[36:35] to think of some of the things that I
had my list that was was sent to me from
[36:39] my son. Um but yeah, so it's the
flooding is a big concern of mine. Noise
[36:44] changes. Oh, I know. We were um we were
trying to find out. They suddenly had in
[36:49] there about the um a playground. Had
that been ever put in front of people to
[36:58] ask what their opinions were? If people
felt a need to have an additional
[37:02] playground in town.
>> Do we know?
[37:07] You
>> want to let her finish first?
[37:08] » Yeah, we'll let her finish first.
>> Okay. Because I know there's a lot.
[37:12] There's playgrounds at all the schools.
There's playgrounds at the churches.
[37:16] There's playground right outside of
Hadenfield at the Challenge Grove Park.
[37:20] I didn't understand why we needed
another playground and the expense of
[37:24] another playground and the additional
traffic of that. So, that was another
[37:29] issue that I was not sure about. I have
a boyfriend whose son has played on
[37:35] those baseball fields in the men's
league and he said that they're in
[37:39] horrific shape. Like, it seems like
fixing up those would be a a start. I
[37:46] don't understand why they're doing it
all at once. Are they doing it in
[37:49] phases?
[37:54] » Do we know
>> any more questions?
[37:55] » No. No. That's I'm asking. Do they they
doing them in phases or they doing it
[37:58] all at once?
>> Sharon, you want to start tackling?
[38:02] » Sure.
[38:06] Um, okay. So, first of all, with the
playground, we over the years we have
[38:11] gotten a number of requests for
playgrounds to be expanded in town. Um
[38:17] because the only municipal playground
that we have is down at Rileywood.
[38:22] » Um
we received funding from the state for
[38:27] the playground. So it was an opportunity
for us to expand a municipal playground
[38:33] in a neighborhood where children
congregate.
[38:38] Um the question
regarding flooding, part of the issue
[38:44] we're trying to address with this is to
tackle some of the flooding issues that
[38:49] occur because of the overgrowth of um
the swale that used to be there. Um to
[38:55] correct that so that it would make
things better on your street. That's the
[38:59] potential that is the plan to try and
address that. Um, again, nothing has
[39:05] been finalized with any with any of the
plans. That's why we're bringing this
[39:09] out and providing and providing an
opportunity for comment. Um, the
[39:14] phasing, again, this hasn't been finally
designed yet. The phasing, the intent is
[39:20] to do we need the fields. So it's to do
the whole program but to phase it in
[39:26] such a way that we are having the least
impact on the the timing for the sports
[39:33] so that we can get it accomplished in
between seasons rather than complicating
[39:40] our field issue.
>> What did I miss?
[39:44] » Um just about it being a through street
in general like the traffic patterns and
[39:49] » the traffic patterns we're going to look
at. We have a number of comments. The
[39:52] mayor indicated we had 65. We received
65 comments. Um we're re in the process
[39:57] of reviewing them now. We'll be
reviewing them with the rec commission
[40:00] and we'll be reviewing them with the
engineers to try and take as many of
[40:04] them into consideration as possible. Um
we'll look at the two plans that have
[40:08] been proposed to see if there's any
ideas from those and then put out a
[40:12] revised plan at a later date. Um I can't
give you a to me part of the is concern
[40:18] is um I can understand you not wanting
your road opened but you you have issues
[40:27] with traffic as it is. So, um, one of
the things that we thought was by
[40:33] opening it, it would relieve some of
that traffic of the kids going the kids
[40:38] or the parents going down the street
than having to do a K turn because it's
[40:42] not truly a um culde-sac. It's a
dead-end street. So, it's trying to come
[40:48] up with something to make it safer.
Again, we'll take all of the concerns
[40:53] about not opening it into consideration
with all the other comments we we
[40:57] received and the commissioners can make
a decision.
[40:59] » And I just had a text from um Crystal
McNeel who lives on Cedar and she wanted
[41:05] to know if they're going to be cutting
down the trees near the baseball fields.
[41:10] » Again, we haven't finalized any
landscaping plan. Okay. One of the
[41:14] things that may happen um because we did
get comments submitted about the trees,
[41:19] you know what what we may do is um if we
have to take them down, we would
[41:27] probably put something back up in its
place
[41:31] » because they've already taken them down
on our street, a lot of them, and our
[41:35] street keeps flooding because of that.
They put in new that are like
[41:39] » stick trust me, I understand. But one of
the things that we talked about is um
[41:44] what was the type of the the bush we
were talking about?
[41:47] » The arbor vites.
>> Yeah, a arbor vites. The arbor vites may
[41:50] make more sense along that and it would
create a more compact screening.
[41:54] » Um because I know some of the comments
were the windb blowing and causing
[41:59] disruption. The trees block that. So
we're looking at all the different
[42:03] options that are out there um to address
making sure that there's still trees uh
[42:08] located on the property. um provide
shade to provide blocking, you know, for
[42:13] for viewing and for those people that
currently have it blocked. Um all of
[42:18] that is going to be taken into
consideration when before the final
[42:21] plan's done to the town hall meeting.
>> Um
[42:28] all right. Thank you.
>> Thank you, too.
[42:33] » Yes.
>> Yeah. Right. So, online folks, keep your
[42:38] hands up. We we do the in room first and
then we come to the online people. Uh so
[42:43] we still have Mark Jordan
6 634 main.
[42:49] » Right. I was going to say 32.
>> Yeah. Well, I think um what we're doing
[42:54] here today uh talking about this is a
great idea. I mean, we need to do
[42:58] something with the fields and I think uh
I don't see a problem with a a
[43:02] playground. I don't see a problem with
the parking. I think where we're at now
[43:07] is what side do we put the parking on?
Um, years ago I I met with Tish and we
[43:14] talked about our tennis courts, our
basketball courts. Why were they taken
[43:20] away? Why? And left a a terrible,
disgusting looking area for years. And
[43:27] she said, "Well, nobody used them
anyway. Nobody played basketball anyway.
[43:32] my kids, my neighbors and I, we played
tennis, we played basketball there, and
[43:37] all of a sudden we're left without a
basketball court, without tennis courts.
[43:42] Um, but
um I know this plan that we're looking
[43:46] at, it's a plan and I believe was dated
uh 2015 by CME, I believe. I don't know
[43:55] who the engineer is that's doing the
planning. Would you be able to tell me
[43:59] who it is or
>> It is CME. The date on the plan they
[44:03] they were using an old they were they
were adding stuff onto an old plan. So
[44:08] not all of the verbiage on the old plan
is is a
[44:12] » perfectly I have a lot of knowledge with
RERfield. I personally did all the
[44:16] surveys for Radnerfield. I did
conceptual plans for for them. Um I
[44:22] don't have to tell you who I work for
but I've been working for them for
[44:25] almost 40 years. I do a lot of site
work. Um, personally, I feel as though
[44:30] if we're going to do any kind of
parking, any kind of busing,
[44:34] it should be in Farwood. Farwood's a
much wider street. And our streets are
[44:40] very narrow. There's parking on both
sides. Well, it's supposed to be only on
[44:45] one side, but but I think if we move the
parking area down in Farwood and allow
[44:51] the, you know, buses to to park on the
curb, I think that should be sufficient.
[44:56] Um, but I think, you know, addressing
RERfield is a wonderful thing right now.
[45:02] Hope something to get done, but
certainly I I don't want to see a a
[45:06] throughway through our culde-sacs. I
mean, we really, really need them
[45:10] because we, like they said, we we love
to see the children out there playing
[45:14] and and feeling safe and u you know, but
uh uh you know, I' I'd like to see some
[45:22] other design besides the one that we we
we see on online. I think it's
[45:28] inadequate. Um, I think what they need
is a a walkway through the fields
[45:35] connecting with Farwood, not a little
drainage swale that looks hideous.
[45:41] People come from all over the place to
to play ball with our our kids and
[45:45] everything. And they're what they say is
this is Hadenfield. Hadenfield has the
[45:52] worst facilities for athletics in
everywhere. Paulsboro, Haden Heights,
[45:58] Haden Township. They have better
facilities. Let's do something with our
[46:02] our concession stand. It looks like
crap. It's not very very nice looking.
[46:08] Um the the the gravel road is horrible
because you get kids coming in there and
[46:14] spinning wheels and you know, and poor
hitchers that live on on the parking
[46:20] lot, they have to deal with that all the
time. Unfortunately, they're not here
[46:23] tonight to talk about it because uh
they're on a planned vacation, but they
[46:28] wanted to be and I'm I'm speaking in
their behalf as well. But I just wish
[46:33] that maybe we can be work with CMA
somehow or CME um somehow and maybe come
[46:40] up with a better solution. But the one
they have there is not the solution.
[46:45] It's it's you know, it should be put on
firewood if anything. take those trees
[46:51] out, put the put the um uh put the
playground just behind the center field
[46:57] with abroades going around there. It
would look great. But a nice walkway
[47:01] going through the fields there with a
little bit of lighting, maybe timed
[47:05] lighting or something like that with uh
you know, a raised path. I mean, so that
[47:11] when the rain goes off it, it goes into
a a swale on both sides and that would
[47:17] be perfect. But I think we got to make
it look nice because we get a lot of
[47:21] people from different towns and they are
disgusted about our restrooms, our
[47:28] facilities. You know, we got to pick it
up. That's all.
[47:32] » Thank you.
>> Okay.
[47:33] » Thanks.
[47:50] Hi, I'm Glenn Rasik and I reside at 615
Wayne Avenue.
[47:58] And after uh reviewing the uh the plans
for the uh renovation of the recreation
[48:05] area, I just might want to make a few
suggestions. My first option is I would
[48:11] like to to keep Wayne Avenue at no
outlet.
[48:17] We do have traffic uh and parking
problems during uh high school baseball
[48:23] season, but we put up with that for for
years. Now, I will say that my parents
[48:29] bought the house in April of 1952,
and I uh inherited the house in uh in
[48:36] January of 2019, but I pretty much lived
there all my life. I mean, I've went
[48:43] through Tatum School, the Hadenfield
Middle School, and graduated from
[48:47] Hadenfield High.
And and I've seen over the years since
[48:52] the mid 1950s what's going on in that
field. And
[48:58] my recommendation is that the for the
for a playground is a [clears throat]
[49:03] good idea for a playground. I'm thinking
is it something going to be like like
[49:07] what we have at Rileywood Avenue?
Something like that. Uh and as you
[49:14] probably know, you've had children. Uh
children often scream with excitement
[49:18] and joy when they're playing. And to put
it up against Wayne Avenue, uh it might
[49:24] be noisy because that would be up
against the last house on Wayne and then
[49:28] it also would be bordering uh Cedar
Avenue and I work remotely and I'm sure
[49:35] there other people work remotely and it
would be nice to have, you know, quiet.
[49:39] Uh but uh that's why I thought that the
best thing to do would be to relocate
[49:45] the po uh the uh playground somewhere on
the middle of the field or behind the
[49:51] baseball field.
Uh in terms of the soccer field where it
[49:58] is that's always been a good location
and then also the uh for the uh the
[50:04] lower field the lower field at Farwood
Avenue. Uh that's that's good too. Uh
[50:10] then in between we have the problem with
the swamp in there with the wetlands
[50:14] there. Now, I can tell you at one time
when I was when I was a child that was
[50:20] all wooded area there and then right
there there was it was a stand of maple
[50:26] trees and there was a spring there but
it was closer to the Cedar Avenue and
[50:32] then there was a little tributary that
that drained into that ditch which I
[50:36] would say definitely needs some
renovation also.
[50:41] And then after the uh board of education
took over and cleared everything out and
[50:47] uh
it seemed like they there was no there
[50:51] was no swamp problem. But now those
springs have apparently come out in the
[50:55] middle of the field. So there I mean I
see that the board of education has
[50:58] tried putting some drainage pipes or
something in there, but it's if you walk
[51:02] around it's it's kind of mushy,
you know. So that that would definitely
[51:07] need some work there for repair. And
as uh as has already been been said that
[51:16] uh there was a tennis court. I used to
use the tennis courts down there. My
[51:21] brother had used the the basketball
courts.
[51:26] Uh and uh there were problems with it
cuz that that whole thing was sloped and
[51:32] there was no separation between the uh a
fence between the basketball courts and
[51:36] the uh and the tennis courts.
Uh but again, something like that for a
[51:43] recre for the uh playground would be
fine. Uh, and of course there was still
[51:47] room for I think down blower uh on
Farwood for for that additional uh was a
[51:54] soccer field or a hockey field. And I
would I would agree too that uh those
[52:00] pine trees are not the original trees.
They could be they could be removed,
[52:04] you know, to make to make room for uh
whatever we're going to have. And the
[52:09] other thing what I felt we talk you you
talk about in the in the uh you know in
[52:14] the diagram there'll be walkways for the
for the disabled people. One thing would
[52:18] be very good is for
a a small track to be put in for people
[52:24] that are for running or for or for
walking. And that would be that would
[52:29] help people of all ages. And it also
would be safe because this way you
[52:35] wouldn't have to worry about crossing
streets.
[52:39] And the other thing uh also if if it's a
special kind of track like we have at
[52:43] the Hadenfield High School field or what
they have in Cooper River in Pence Hawin
[52:49] in that park uh it would be safe safer
and uh orthopedically better instead of
[52:56] pounding on the pavements or risking
tripping on a sidewalk.
[53:01] Right.
>> And I think you could probably get a
[53:03] quarter mile in of of a track. So that
that would be helpful.
[53:09] Uh but basically they're my suggestions.
And are you planning to pave the uh the
[53:16] parking lot at Ragnarfield?
>> Is that your only question? Because
[53:20] you're at time. Oh,
>> okay. That was my only question.
[53:23] » All right. Um
>> we haven't made a final decision.
[53:26] » Yeah, we haven't made a final decision.
It's not paved now. It's it's it's
[53:29] gravel.
It is okay.
[53:31] » Uh the the parking lot that's there. We
haven't made any det. And uh I guess
[53:36] there should be also a renovation of the
uh of that fieldhouse.
[53:40] Is that under under a board of education
or is that under the burrow now?
[53:45] » No, it's under the bar.
>> Okay. Well, thank you for your time.
[53:50] » Thank you. You
[54:03] Good evening.
>> Hey, uh Kathy McGee, 265 Windsor Avenue.
[54:08] Um I'm back to Henchman Alley or Lane,
whichever it is. Um, I'm a nurse, so I
[54:15] think about risk a lot and I just wanted
to bring it to your attention, but the
[54:20] safety officers are probably already on
it, but just to make sure that somebody
[54:24] has thought of it um to make sure there
aren't any other places that don't have
[54:29] like a real address um for safety
concerns. Okay,
[54:34] » thank you.
>> Thank you.
[54:42] Yeah, we believe that is the only one in
town that didn't have anything.
[54:52] All right, see no more in the room. Move
to online.
[55:06] » All right. So instead of reading that
text question, if it's a submittal about
[55:10] Wayne Avenue, we'll just add it to the
spreadsheet because that's what we asked
[55:15] by the for the deadline. So if that's
okay, then that's what we'll do. So if
[55:19] you can just send that to uh Louise.
[55:24] » Oh, no, no, no. We're not going to read
it for No, no, that's okay. She can
[55:28] submit it. She can submit it or she can
email it to to uh to Louise.
[55:37] Uh,
so we'll go in screen order. If you said
[55:43] Giovanni's mic's not working, we'll move
to Sean's iPhone.
[55:50] » All right. How you doing? Can you hear
me?
[55:52] » Coming in hot.
>> All right. So, um, Sean Flynn. I'm uh
[55:57] I'm 419 Farwood Road. Um, sorry I
couldn't be there in person. I had a
[56:02] previously planned vacation, but I know
a lot of us on Forward are very uh you
[56:06] know, concerned about the uh you know,
as as as Wayne is as well, and I applaud
[56:09] you, Wayne, for showing up in force. Um,
good on you. Um, uh, I think, you know,
[56:14] a lot of us have similar concerns about
the parking. We um, I know myself, my
[56:19] neighbor to the left and my neighbor to
the right, we both have very, we both
[56:23] have young children. Um, and as someone
who uh I went through the Hadenfield
[56:28] Hadenfield High School as well, long
time long time resident, you know, I
[56:32] moved back I went to Philly for many
years and I moved back here because of
[56:35] it's such a wonderful town and I had a
great experience growing up here. Um,
[56:39] unfortunately though, when I was 14, I
was struck by a car on Maple Avenue. I
[56:42] was I broke my I broke my femur. I still
have a metal rod. I was rushed to
[56:46] Cooper's uh trauma center um because I
was, you know, struck by a car. So, I'm
[56:50] the idea of, you know, of increased
traffic on our street is is a great a
[56:55] great concern to me. Um, and uh the idea
of of you know, the parking and I share
[57:00] I share Wayne's concerns, you know, as
well. Um, I don't want to see it sh you
[57:03] know, just shifted, you know, the idea
shifted to us, but because we're, you
[57:06] know, we're it's a narrow street as well
and we get a lot of the traffic from the
[57:09] baseball fields. Um, you know, during
this during the summers and, you know,
[57:13] other times, you know, I've had people
block my driveway. I've had people, you
[57:17] know, like run up on my curb and it's,
you know, it's it's it's very narrow
[57:21] when they're parking on both sides of
the street as it is. Um, I'll keep my
[57:26] comments brief. I know that others
others on my street would like to to
[57:28] comment, but I, you know, I my concerns
and if we're taking um, you know,
[57:32] suggestions, I suggest we scrap the
whole thing. I don't I don't I think
[57:36] it's a beautiful space and I I
understand there's some concern about
[57:39] drainage and it could use some updating
for sure, but um I think it's a
[57:43] wonderful space and it's very there's
very few like it, you know, in
[57:46] Hadenfield and um I would like, you
know, I'd like to see it you remain a
[57:50] green space and somewhere that, you
know, we can we can just enjoy without
[57:53] it having to serve any express uh you
know, purpose just other than, you know,
[57:58] being a a beautiful place to exist and
and you know, and live. But uh I'll I'll
[58:04] conclude my comments there and uh you
know yield the floor to anybody else who
[58:07] wants to speak. Thank you for the time.
>> All right. Thanks Sean.
[58:13] » All right. Shiovani.
>> Everybody. Good evening. My name is
[58:17] Shiovani Bot. Um I live on 363 Farwood
Road. Uh neighbors with Shawn and many
[58:23] others on this call. Um, I echo many of
the same concerns that have been brought
[58:29] up by the residents at Wayne, um, as
well as Farwood. Uh, first and foremost,
[58:34] um, if you have been on Farwood in the
early morning, um, on our field, you'll
[58:39] see it's a beautiful space, uh, peaceful
and calm. And just because it is not,
[58:45] um, programmed to be a specific, um,
athletic field, that does not mean it
[58:50] does not make use for passive recreation
for many of our residents. Uh you can go
[58:56] there at any time and you'll see many
people of different ages using the
[58:59] space. Um the trees are beautiful. My
own family, we fly kites there uh you
[59:05] know and have passive recreation and I
think it would be a shame um to turn
[59:10] that into a uh a soccer field. Um and
then the other uh major concern is the
[59:17] fact of uh the parking issue on Farwood.
Um, we have signs uh limiting parking
[59:23] and there nobody uh follows those signs.
Um, they often park on both sides of the
[59:30] street. I've witnessed an accident. I've
seen near misses um with children um and
[59:35] pedestrians um we on Farwood have
multiple children under the age of five
[59:41] who are riding their bikes, walking um
as well as all over Cedar and Longwood
[59:46] and just walking through the
neighborhoods. Many of us are very
[59:49] concerned for the safety of both
motorists and pedestrians and
[59:52] specifically our kids. Um and then
lastly, uh the drainage concern um as
[59:58] well. But um I think what would be
beneficial is if there was more
[1:00:03] transparency and a clear um sort of uh
plan moving forward as to what input
[1:00:11] will be taken from the residents, how
will this plan be adjusted? um what type
[1:00:17] of experts are involved and then um at
each level taking in resident feedback.
[1:00:23] I understand the importance of sports um
for our town, but there's also something
[1:00:28] to be said about the people living in
that area and the characteristics
[1:00:33] and um of our neighborhood that need to
be preserved. And I agree with Sean. I
[1:00:38] think updating the baseball fields would
be great, but preserving the green
[1:00:43] space, that's priceless. that's never
going to come back. And I think it means
[1:00:47] a lot to our community specifically um
on Rat on Farwood and I'm sure others
[1:00:53] would agree and um I think you'll find
that um it makes many of us happy on a
[1:00:59] day-to-day basis just just being in that
area. Um so I'd hope you'd really take
[1:01:04] into cons uh consideration all of our
input um because it means a lot to us uh
[1:01:09] for those that live in the neighborhood.
Thank you.
[1:01:11] » Thank you. and Shimani and Bo. Good
lower your hand when you're done
[1:01:16] speaking so I could keep track of who
still needs to be called on. So Sean, if
[1:01:20] you could rate lower your hand, I'd
appreciate it. So Bob Reading,
[1:01:28] you can unmute.
>> Yeah. Hi. My my laptop really doesn't
[1:01:33] work very well, so I actually sent a
message on the uh on the uh chat.
[1:01:38] » All right. Like I said, a written
comment could be sent to uh
[1:01:42] » we can copy it.
>> Yeah, we'll copy it out of the chat as
[1:01:45] part of the recording. We'll add it to
the spreadsheet.
[1:01:48] » Okay. Just quickly though, let's I mean,
one the one I I mentioned several
[1:01:52] things, but one was um there's currently
a sign on the gate uh or on the fence. I
[1:01:58] I live uh the corner of Maple and um and
Radner and so I at at at the field
[1:02:04] there's a sign that says that the
field's closed at night and the gate
[1:02:07] will be closed. In six years living here
that's never happened.
[1:02:12] Um and so um I I think especially if
you're going to open up Wayne, which I'm
[1:02:17] not in favor of either, and create a
parking lot there, you're going to
[1:02:21] attract a lot more people, a lot more
traffic. And I would uh seriously ask
[1:02:27] you seriously consider actually doing
what the sign says and closing that
[1:02:32] parking lot at night.
[1:02:36] That's it.
>> All right. Thank you,
[1:02:41] » Swarna.
[1:02:45] » Hey everybody. This is actually Mark
Estster, Swarna's husband on Swarna's
[1:02:49] phone. So, I live at um 413 Farwood Road
and I live directly across the street
[1:02:55] from the soccer field that's in this
plan. So, right before my kids took a
[1:03:01] bath and went to bed, we were out under
those spruce trees right across the
[1:03:04] street from our house. And they play
there almost every single day. They
[1:03:08] cross our street to get there. They ride
their bikes to get there. And they know
[1:03:13] the trees the way that I knew the woods
behind my childhood home. So, what I
[1:03:18] want you to understand is that this plan
asked my children to trade the place
[1:03:22] that they play every day for a fence, a
field, and an awful parking problem. So,
[1:03:28] I'm asking uh you today to to not make
that trade. So, let me be clear about
[1:03:34] what I support because I support the
drainage. Thank you. Like, let's fix the
[1:03:38] drainage problem. Let's also rebuild the
baseball fields. Let's build the path.
[1:03:42] Let's build the playground. and let's
perhaps consider building a bigger
[1:03:46] parking lot. All of that's fine, but my
ask is take the Farwood Roadfield out of
[1:03:52] the plan. And I think there are three
reasons. First, what we lose, we lose
[1:03:56] the trees, as I've already explained,
right? They're stunning through
[1:03:59] absolutely every season. They're a
buffer between our homes and the
[1:04:03] complex. And they the plan to rip them
out and replace them with Arborvite,
[1:04:08] which is basically just a nice glorified
hedge. That's that doesn't seem like the
[1:04:12] right move, right? To replace
50-year-old trees with a shrub. And once
[1:04:16] they come out of the ground, they're
gone for every generation that follows
[1:04:20] in our neighborhood. So, my kids will
grow up long before those trees ever
[1:04:25] give shade to anybody ever again.
Second, and this is what I think I'm
[1:04:30] most worried about and what you're
hearing most from people on the call
[1:04:33] today, is traffic. Um, during baseball
games, Farwood is I I don't know what
[1:04:40] better word, but it's absurd. It's a
zoo. There are cars on both sides of the
[1:04:44] road parked in whatever direction they
felt like parking, whatever direction
[1:04:48] they pulled up to the game. Neighbors
blocked driveways and a two-way street
[1:04:53] squeezed into what is a single lane with
very young children up and down the
[1:04:58] block riding their bikes and crossing
right in the middle of these cars. I've
[1:05:01] watched drivers hunting for parking come
down our street too fast while my kids
[1:05:07] stood at the curb watching them. Every
parent in this room knows the feeling in
[1:05:12] your chest. And now you just add a
scheduled programmed field onto it. So
[1:05:17] that that lot that you're describing
that's not going to absorb a Saturday
[1:05:21] morning with baseball, soccer, and a
playground all running at the same time.
[1:05:26] The overflow lands on Farwood like it
always has. Except this time now there's
[1:05:32] more. [snorts] The, as I mentioned, the
playground is fine. We welcome it. But
[1:05:35] then guarantee our kids safety, right?
Real signs, real enforcement. All of
[1:05:40] those signs are uh ignored, right? And
this this current plan that you have
[1:05:46] promises neither signs nor enforcement.
The third point I want to make and the
[1:05:52] last is that I don't know that the need
has been shown for two additional soccer
[1:05:57] fields. We already have four at
Crowswood and we have another at
[1:06:01] Scoutfield. We have fall soccer at
Spicer. We get it. Soccer fields have to
[1:06:06] go somewhere. But somewhere should not
be 60 ft from my children's bedrooms
[1:06:11] when we already have an athletic complex
bordered by woods. If the real problem
[1:06:16] is Crow's Woods, if that's if it's a
landfill issue, then fix Crow's Woods
[1:06:20] properly. Revamp what already exists and
show me the utilization numbers that say
[1:06:25] that this town needs two more fields.
I I don't know that that exists, but
[1:06:30] also tell us what project this actually
is. The the announcement said grass
[1:06:36] fields, but the engineering plan shows
sports lighting and synthetic turf and
[1:06:40] 20 foot fencing and bleachers along our
street. I just have no idea what you're
[1:06:44] even trying to build, let alone if if
what I'm opposing is is the the final
[1:06:50] thing that you actually intend to build.
So, um that's all I have to say. I echo
[1:06:55] everything that my neighbors have
already said. Thank you for your time.
[1:06:58] » Thank you. I'll say it again. No turf,
no lights, no tall fencing whatsoever.
[1:07:06] Uh the we can only say it. Uh the budget
would never support any of those things.
[1:07:13] U so if if I
>> I think Frank wants to talk.
[1:07:19] » Yeah, just just a a comment on that. Uh
there is uh it's uh on the burrow
[1:07:25] website there's a uh 2000 I I'm getting
my I may be getting my years slightly
[1:07:29] off here, but there's a 2016 and I
believe again a revised 2020 uh parks
[1:07:35] and recreation study where they
evaluated uh all the open space both
[1:07:40] active and passive in Hadenfield and
they made recommendations and it was
[1:07:45] either like a four or six acre deficit
of what we already have uh identifying
[1:07:52] additional need and it's broken down by
uh which sports are kind of developing
[1:07:58] and which ones they anticipate are uh
which fields are needed for future use
[1:08:04] of those uh sports teams that are kind
of developing and becoming more popular.
[1:08:09] Good examples across when this study was
done is much more popular than it was
[1:08:13] like 10 years before when that study was
done. So it is available out there if
[1:08:17] you want to see it. is not just to make
up for what we're what is or is not
[1:08:21] happening at Crows Woods. There's just a
greater need for both active and passive
[1:08:27] um open space.
[1:08:34] » Uh
next we have Kelsey's iPad Pro.
[1:08:42] » Yeah. Hi, this is John O. Uh Kelsey's
husband. We live at 351 Farwood Road.
[1:08:47] And I won't take too much time. I'll
echo uh everything that my neighbors on
[1:08:52] Firewood had said. And I would just also
just bring up two additional points.
[1:08:56] One, uh with all due respect to our our
neighbors on Wayne, again, for all the
[1:09:02] points that Sean and Mark, Shiovani, and
and others have made, the the parking
[1:09:07] becomes incredibly difficult. However,
the only difference is that we have to
[1:09:11] deal with not only that during baseball
season, which would seemingly be an only
[1:09:15] issue for Wayne during baseball season,
but the town also uses Farwood Road as a
[1:09:21] cutthrough to get to Kohl's Mills when
there's traffic issues on Grove. So,
[1:09:25] this is more of a year- round problem
for us and not just simply an issue to
[1:09:29] deal with during baseball season, which
others who are sort of surround
[1:09:34] have to deal with sort of at some point
in the year. We're dealing it
[1:09:38] predominantly throughout the entire
year. Um, again, I'll echo all the
[1:09:42] points. I've seen many near misses. I've
seen our our driveway skirt blocked. And
[1:09:48] so the addition of not thinking through
properly the traffic flow
[1:09:55] with and also not taking into
consideration the fact that Farwood is
[1:09:58] essentially a cutthrough as I mentioned
to Koh's Mill between Grove and Cole's
[1:10:01] Mill I think would be really
shortsighted and if it's not taken into
[1:10:05] consideration. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Thank you
[1:10:10] » Nicole Flynn.
[1:10:15] » Hi. Um I'm I'm on Farwood Road also
directly across from Radnerfield. And I
[1:10:21] also was just here to echo my neighbors
in that there's so many small children
[1:10:26] on our street. I know at least nine
first graders and the traffic is already
[1:10:32] pretty scary. You can't see beyond
because there's cars parked on both
[1:10:36] sides. The kids can't see the cars can't
see the kids and we use that open space
[1:10:42] across the street daily. Um I agree. I I
love the idea for drainage and um the
[1:10:48] path. I love the idea for the
playground, but that extra field across
[1:10:52] from on Farwood is I think too much and
would take away something that's really
[1:10:58] central to our neighborhood and
something we all really care about and
[1:11:02] already use a lot. Everybody uses it and
people even come and drive up and park
[1:11:08] to use that area as the way it is. So, I
think it's a really vital part of our
[1:11:13] neighborhood and I'd hate to see that
go. All right. Thanks for your time.
[1:11:17] Appreciate it.
>> Thank you.
[1:11:20] » Uh Lauren Hitchner,
[1:11:35] Lauren,
thanks Jason.
[1:11:45] All right. She might have technical
difficulties or what have you. Uh,
[1:11:50] seeing no more online. Thanks everybody
for your comments. I'm going to move to
[1:11:55] close public comment period. Actually,
just one comment on that for both people
[1:11:59] online and in person. If you have not
submitted these already, please make
[1:12:02] sure you we captured notes, but I can't
be expected to regurgitate those. So,
[1:12:08] uh,
>> the deadline was today.
[1:12:10] » Okay. Well, then
>> and and most of the commenters actually
[1:12:13] said,
>> "Okay, perfect. Perfect."
[1:12:16] [clears throat]
>> From reading the comments, most of the
[1:12:18] comments are included in there.
>> Gotcha.
[1:12:23] » What you referencing is under
[1:12:29] they can't hear me.
>> Okay. It's on uh so the um the parks and
[1:12:34] recreation study is under planning board
and
[1:12:40] me master plan documents on the lefth
hand side and yeah you'll see it. Yeah,
[1:12:45] it's parks and recreation two different
studies
[1:12:48] and we had already gotten to Steve. Yes.
>> Nope.
[1:12:52] » No. Okay. All right, Steve.
>> Sorry, Steve.
[1:12:55] » Sorry.
>> No problem at all.
[1:12:58] Um, so I just wanted to full Sharon and
the commissioners honestly thank you
[1:13:03] guys for I mean obviously listening to
everyone and I know this is not easy and
[1:13:08] there's a lot of opinions and thoughts
and um I just feel very grateful that
[1:13:12] this is the type of conversation we're
having is about investing in Hadenfield
[1:13:16] and and how you guys approach it. So
thank you. The only comment I had is so
[1:13:20] much in this town we talk about
overdevelopment
[1:13:23] and I would say as odd as it may sound
but overdeveloping this land I think is
[1:13:29] just as relevant as overdeveloping any
piece of land in the in the township and
[1:13:34] I just think we should be looking at
what we want to invest in this uh field
[1:13:40] is that appropriate amount of puling and
drink etc etc is it is it the right
[1:13:45] scale for the property um so I think
That's very very important. I know
[1:13:50] there's a lot of engineers, a lot of
people a lot smaller than I am. Um, but
[1:13:54] I see every day just the impact it has
on everyone around us in terms of
[1:14:00] traffic and safety. And I just just
because we can put it there, is it the
[1:14:05] right thing to do is is really the thing
I would like to convey. Um, that and my
[1:14:11] gratitude for again you guys all having
this meeting and how you guys conduct
[1:14:17] yourselves. So, thank you. And and
again, hopefully we can not overdevelop
[1:14:21] it, but still invest in the town and and
kind of make a win-win for everyone.
[1:14:26] » And Steve, can we have your last name
and your street? You don't have to give
[1:14:29] your address.
>> Steve Street, 425 Forward Road.
[1:14:34] » Thank you.
>> I thought that was you. How you doing,
[1:14:36] Steve? [laughter]
>> I'm doing well. Thank you very much.
[1:14:40] » All right. One last shot to Lauren.
>> Hey, Jack.
[1:14:44] » Yeah. Hi. It's This is John Hitchner.
not Lauren. Sorry about that confusion
[1:14:48] later earlier. Um anyway, um thank you
so much for honoring my family and my
[1:14:56] father today uh with the Hitchner Lane
Street Alley. It's it's all an honor and
[1:15:04] uh my mother was able to represent
today. We're away on vacation. So, uh, I
[1:15:10] wish I could be there, but, uh, like you
said, it's not very often where you get
[1:15:15] to name a street, uh, or an alley, uh,
after someone. And, um, they're
[1:15:20] long-term,
uh, residents there. And my father, Boyd
[1:15:24] Hitchner, uh, worked at Acme for many,
many years and owned an antique shop in
[1:15:29] town. And, uh, he was very proud of his
town. And, uh, so is my mother. And, uh,
[1:15:35] thank you again. Um, I also happen to
live uh at 643 RER Avenue and last house
[1:15:42] on the right uh on the way towards the
field. Um, we've lived there for over 20
[1:15:47] years. We love it. Uh, it's a great
street, great community. Um, we have box
[1:15:53] seats for the baseball games, which is
great. We love baseball. Um, we love
[1:15:58] soccer. I coached soccer for many years.
Um, Sharon knows I spent a lot of time
[1:16:02] down at Crows Woods trying to get those
fields ready. There's a lot of issues
[1:16:06] down at Crowswoods. I understand. Um,
you know, not just drainage, but you
[1:16:11] know, because it was an old dump, but uh
that is our premier uh sports facility
[1:16:16] in town. Uh unlike Rner, it's not
surrounded by homes
[1:16:22] and uh it's uh it's lit. Uh it has
lights. Um, so there's much more usage
[1:16:29] and hopefully
um, you know, Crowswoods can be uh, you
[1:16:35] know, not pushed aside if if we if you
go ahead with this Rner Field Complex,
[1:16:41] uh, adding a couple more fields. Um, you
know, hopefully you can do both at the
[1:16:46] same time is what I'm trying to say.
But, um, you know, this town needs
[1:16:50] fields obviously. It's there's it's a
big sports town. Grass fields uh are at
[1:16:57] a premium and um we need to make sure we
can maintain them if we build them. Um
[1:17:04] the field maintenance, you know, the one
guy down there is doing his best. Um but
[1:17:09] he struggles uh because it's mostly one
person down there maintaining all the
[1:17:15] sports fields for the for the school. um
you know so there needs to be follow
[1:17:20] through with you know maybe he needs
help uh if there's fields and uh the
[1:17:25] drainage is going to be a big issue
there. I don't want to reiterate what a
[1:17:28] lot of other folks said uh but um the
construction is going to be difficult
[1:17:34] because it is so wet down there. Um I'm
sure there's a plan to deal with it. Um
[1:17:40] the little swale that runs around the
field is insufficient. you know, it's
[1:17:44] got to be uh you know, big- time
engineered, way above my pay grade, but
[1:17:49] um
uh overall, you know, I think paving the
[1:17:55] parking lot um you know, which would be
nice if keep the dust down. Our our
[1:18:00] cars, our homes get dusted because
there's not proper gravel. It's mostly
[1:18:04] dirt. Um, but paving it, making fixed
parking spots will actually limit the
[1:18:10] amount of parking that's down there
because I forget how many count I
[1:18:13] counted. Uh, say there was 50 parking
spaces in the plan. There's literally
[1:18:18] 60, 65, 70 cars that can fit down there
currently because there is no
[1:18:23] organization to the parking. So, people
park just everywhere down there. So,
[1:18:26] you're actually reducing the parking by
paving it and making fixed parking
[1:18:32] spots. Um, you know, I know it's all
well and good. Uh, we we like the paving
[1:18:37] would be nice again to keep the dust
down and keep everything organized, but
[1:18:41] again, it's going to reduce the parking
spots. So, I heard somebody comment, you
[1:18:46] know, imagine you're going to
Philadelphia, you're late for a
[1:18:50] reservation, you're trying to find a
parking spot. That's what we see every
[1:18:54] day. People are late for their kids
games and they're driving down the
[1:18:59] streets like crazy people. both, you
know, Wayne, Rner, Farwood trying to
[1:19:04] find a spot desperately to get to their
game. Um, I understand the folks at
[1:19:08] Farwood, they're going to have a soccer
field right in their front yard. Um,
[1:19:12] they're not going to, people are not
going to want to park at Rner
[1:19:16] and walk over to, you know, uh, Farwood
Avenue to watch their kids soccer. There
[1:19:23] needs to be some parking address on that
side of the field if this truly becomes
[1:19:27] a sports complex. Again, this is a very
unique situation, this field, because
[1:19:32] it's surrounded 360 degrees by homes.
Uh, Crowswoods, again, perfect scenario.
[1:19:39] Very few homes in the surrounding area.
It's got a its own access road. You go
[1:19:43] down, you come back. It's got tons of
parking and lights. So, priority Crows
[1:19:49] Woods Rner,
great idea. Maybe one soccer field. keep
[1:19:55] it up to date, keep it well drained, use
it as overflow for Crows Woods, you
[1:20:01] know, fix up the baseball fields if they
need it. Um, anyway, thanks for your
[1:20:06] time and again, thank you so much for
Hitchner Lane, Hitchner Alley. Our
[1:20:12] family is here. We're sitting here on
family vacation and we're just thrilled.
[1:20:16] I'm glad my mother was there
representing. Thanks again,
[1:20:19] commissioners.
>> Thanks, John. Yep.
[1:20:25] All right. See no other comments. Uh the
room is closed. Uh so we've we already
[1:20:30] closed the room. Now we're just closing
online. Um so I will move to close
[1:20:34] public comment.
[1:20:38] Um
[1:20:44] the state of New Jersey.
[1:20:50] » No. Green Acres is a designation that we
cannot build uh you you can't build
[1:20:56] buildings on that. It is permanently
protected using green acres money.
[1:21:00] That's what it means.
>> It can be used for active or passive
[1:21:03] recreation
>> only.
[1:21:07] Yes.
All right. Uh I move to close public
[1:21:11] comment. Second
>> voting on that motion. Commissioner Troy
[1:21:15] » in favor.
>> Commissioner Sidell
[1:21:17] » in favor. Uh we have no
>> no we have no
[1:21:22] » yeah we have we have no uh close session
so we will open the floor to reporters
[1:21:30] and I see Liz online and no reporters in
person so uh Liz floor's open for you.
[1:21:38] » Hi everyone. Um I just had a couple of
questions pertaining to the agenda. Um
[1:21:43] what is the municipal alliance
coordinator services with the BOE?
[1:21:50] » Sure. So the municipal alliance is the
one of the few joint uh boards between
[1:21:55] the school board and the uh the burrow.
It is drug and alcohol awareness
[1:22:00] education programming. Uh we the burrow
provides the meeting space and the
[1:22:06] coordinator and the position and the the
subsequent addition to our budget which
[1:22:13] is the grant goes to pay the stipens uh
for that program as well as stipens for
[1:22:18] the high school, middle school, and
elementary school reps from the school
[1:22:24] district. Well, they pay their people,
we pay our people, and then the rest of
[1:22:29] the money is for the programming itself.
>> Okay.
[1:22:34] Um, can you tell me about the
performance bond at Brandy Wine? What
[1:22:39] that is for exactly?
>> Performance bond at Brandy Wine or the
[1:22:43] performance bond. There is a solid waste
collection performance bond and the
[1:22:48] Cooper Health System at 100 Grow Street
performance bonds. They're the only two
[1:22:52] on the agenda. And if it said Brandy
Wine, that was my fault because I used
[1:22:55] that resolution as my guide.
>> Oh, okay. I see.
[1:23:00] » Yes.
>> Yeah. On um resolution 100 it says it
[1:23:03] says brand new wine. Okay.
>> Oh, yeah. No, good point. That was the
[1:23:06] Cooper Health System at 100 Grove
Street.
[1:23:08] » Yep. I I will fix that. Liz, Liz, to
explain that it when you have a large
[1:23:13] project in town or you have a large
contract, for example, for the solid
[1:23:18] waste, they have to put up a performance
bond to ensure that all the work gets
[1:23:22] done. And then once the project is
completed, it the performance bond is
[1:23:27] released and usually a maintenance bond
is put in place. Um, with the solid
[1:23:32] waste, it's not a maintenance bond
because it's a new performance bond for
[1:23:35] the next year. Um, and so that's why we
have to release the performance bond.
[1:23:42] » Okay. So, I guess I'm a little confused
on how that works with the solid waste
[1:23:48] and recycling materials collection
service because
[1:23:51] » so they they provide us a performance
bond. So in case they go out of business
[1:23:57] mid year or um some other some other
circumstance pops up where they cannot
[1:24:03] provide the service, we then go after
their bond to help us pay for someone to
[1:24:09] complete the services they're not
performing.
[1:24:12] » Okay. Okay. Understood. Um,
>> and so just just to to to switch that
[1:24:19] over to Cooper to make sure you
understand, it's if they it's to ensure
[1:24:24] that the project that they've gotten
approval for is built to the standards
[1:24:28] it needs to be that it's been agreed to
be built to. And if there's problems
[1:24:33] with their contractor, we're able to go
after the performance bond to pay to
[1:24:37] make sure to to make sure that project
gets completed also.
[1:24:41] » Okay, makes sense. Um, I appreciate it.
Thank you for your time.
[1:24:46] » All right. Any other reporters online?
I don't see any, but there's one that
[1:24:52] just says iPhone, so I wasn't sure. Uh,
>> all right. Uh, that's not an official
[1:24:58] open and close, so I will make a motion
to close the meeting. Second.
[1:25:03] » Voting on that motion. Commissioner Troy
>> in favor.
[1:25:06] » Commissioner Sidel
>> in favor. And again, thank you. SP
[1:25:11] » appreciate.
>> Thank you. Take
[1:25:14] » you