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going all right good evening it's 6:30

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we have a quorum we'll call the planning

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board meeting to order and first up reg

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Mr dwire that would be Mr eer unless

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he's

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observing guest M Mr eer better have uh

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Mr DWI and Mr maximi better have

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received a plan that I

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sent

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yeah so Randy obviously you knew would

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not be able to sign it as an a butter so

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you're very

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astute so do do you have that bill you

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can put it on the scre yeah right now it

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won't let me show the

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um that's the Kelly an anr

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yes okay uh I've got to download it

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because it is not

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uh okay well I can I can talk about it

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while you're doing that so this is Kelly

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anr at the corner of Stockbridge and

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Roosevelt Street on the Westerly side of

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Roosevelt Street the there's about 30

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and a half acres there right now uh it's

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all in APR

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currently uh Mr Kelly and his wife Marcy

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would like to divide it uh five acres

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they're going to keep and 25 acres the

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Divine brothers are going to buy so the

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lot one is what's going to be kept by

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Kelly lot two is what's going to be

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acquired by

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Divine uh as I said both of them are

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currently under APR restrictions so

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there will be no further development of

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lot um it's pretty cut and

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dry Randy was this uh under the APR

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program was this the old APR or the new

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there was what Joe I'm sorry well

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regarding the price uh because under the

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new APR the the state has the right of

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first refusal well maybe Bill knows the

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answer but uh so did they have to go

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through a lot of paperwork in uh

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getting other bids or not I don't know

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the answer to that Joe but I know that Johnny Kelly has worked with the

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APR people to get to this point where he

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knows that they are going to allow

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divines to buy this yeah that okay

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obviously they're in the farming

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business so that would be no

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question this is hearkened back to the

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seago property that was originally per

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purchased at a higher price but then

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taken away from that person oh

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but no I don't believe there's any of

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that going on

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here look I was just looking for some

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information and

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uh that that particular problem involved

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a mortgage foreclosure sale too so

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that's that's not what is involved

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here oh

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no but the AP Pro APR program is still a

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good

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program oh yeah it has it flaws but

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nevertheless

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it's y right any questions from

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anybody not motion to approve so let's I

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can't tell Mark is actually here at the

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moment no I'm here okay when I try to get right on top of the

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image you don't want to see my face that

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close so I just turn off the

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camera

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um so

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uh Joe is in the butter and uh I have

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represented all of the parties at

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various times and I don't know if I will

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be representing them in the future so um

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um Mark you could make the motion and

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Mike you could second it and then it' be

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302 I would make a motion to approve as

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submitting second like motion and second

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any other discussion if not all in favor

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I I let's do a roll call Vote for This

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one Mr

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okay Mr SS I myself I Mr DWI abstain

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Mr zagrodnik abstain motion passes

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302 okay thank you very much gentlemen I

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will be in touch Jimmy uh and we'll take

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care of the rest of it whatever okay all

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right thanks a lot have a good night

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guys have a good one

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day bye bye

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goodbye and um let's see I believe Kyle

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Fel is part of planning Pioneer Valley

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Planning Commission take the plan down

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bill yeah okay Kyle and Ken

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are yeah here take my

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abuse Mr Quin oh we got an invoice to

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pay for for uh Kyla she attended that

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cptc seminar last week I believe for $40

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anybody else go to that

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I signed up for it but I did not uh make

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it there but I got the

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handouts okay um so we have one invoice

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to pay for Kyla for

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$40 I'm assuming she'll somehow submit

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something to the to the uh accountant

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Bill yes I'll go over whatever she needs

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to do okay so I'll make a motion to

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reimburse her for

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$40 second second motion second any

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discussion all none all in favor I I I I

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any opposed motion passes unanimously

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okay since um uh pvpc is an appointment

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and not a public hearing I don't think

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there's any harm in

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just okay Mr coma and Mr

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Kyle you are up

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gentlemen welcome hi Bor good evening your holiday red

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on mine is orange but Kyle's is red I

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saw him at the office today so his is

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red trying to get trying to get into the

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spirit

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Jo well I think uh the big topic that we

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have for you this evening um forgive the

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late notice but I sent over the latest

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version of your Draft rules and

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regulations um and I'm happy

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to open that document up now for you if

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you'd like to share the screen but um

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yeah when did you send it over uh I did

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send it over this afternoon I believe I

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4 13 PM if I remember unfortunately time

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stamped uh so I believe uh I sent it to

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all the board members but um it's very

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similar to the last document and uh

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before we actually get into it I was

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hoping we could entertain a bit of a

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back and forth uh because it's the the

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latest version

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has all the reference documents that Mr

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dwire has provided and we believe all

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the feedback for this ongoing

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process and at this point I'm curious

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may be more um content to build into the

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thing but I'm just curious if um making

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sure that it is reflective of what the

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board is

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doing um if approaching it moving

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forward at the regularly scheduled

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meeting is appropriate or if a

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subcommittee might be a better

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approach we only got through eight pages

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week I don't know if we'll get further

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along this week I know this is a top

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priority and I want to uh Advance it um

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expeditiously but I also want to be

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respectful of of everyone's time and and

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would appreciate your feedback on in

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moving forward is this the best

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approach recommendations on the board

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what do you what would we like to do you

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like to do 40 pages is a lot I mean uh

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we will wave through it but uh to expect

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an ordinary citizen to be able to wait

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through something like this uh i' would

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lot I don't know how if it could

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uh I I I do see a benefit to going over

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it um that's what we did with the master

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plan that's what we did with the

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subdivision regulations and yes it's a

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lengthy process but hopefully we won't

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have to do it very often we uh get

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everything put together and what build

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it the first time and the the next

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edit's going to be a lot easier so um we

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tried the best we can to hold um the

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first Tuesday of the month for planning

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issues and if we take it in you know our

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bytes um we'll probably get through it

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faster than you might

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fear yeah I mean I think I do okay Mr

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subcommittees let's just go go for it

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take it in bites as Bill said

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predominance of the highlighting on the

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last page in under

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that is a carryover and so that's that's

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we're in agreement to take it in

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sections uh at our regular scheduled

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evenings um hopefully in about an hour

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is can we get to uh an agreement

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of is everything we want in the document

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in terms of big chunks present or are

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there glaring omissions that we need to

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address would that would would the board

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agree that would be the first thing

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rather than going line by

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line and start with the outline and then

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that part of the reason I I bring this

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redundancy as we've brought over

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bylaws um that we could start just to

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to jump in I'm happy to share yeah when

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don't we why don't we start with the

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outline and see if we can highlight

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anything that we don't have right that

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omitted and I'll just take this moment

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to whine as I did on the

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email that uh by The Virtue that this

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came in this afternoon and I worked

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until I just got home I quickly scanned

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Content so I feel wholly unprepared

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to make constructive comments on it so

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hopefully I can add comments after the

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meeting and we can discuss if there's

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any content that that's a good point

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mark and I think if we just go over the

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outline tonight even if it doesn't take

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an hour or so at least have everybody

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contemplate the basic outline and what

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is needed is something missing is there

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too much and just go from there maybe

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just a good it'll be a good starting

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point thank you

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Jim yeah so I I appreciate that and I

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think um um yeah I'd like to Circle back

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to that once we get through the the

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outline and get a sense of what we like

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so um pretty standard opening section

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uh last meeting we got through I

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believe it was only the first eight

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pages but I believe it was the first

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five sections so these should be

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familiar and um we can jump

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to the particular subsections if we like

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organization uh I believe um there was

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no huge um Omission there now we

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actually added a little bit of

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content um so then

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sorry um so organization

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meetings uh I believe we added um a

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on absences if that's correct since the

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town of adoped the mullen's

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rule

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um and please interject if I'm

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mistaken uh but then we get into

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preliminary

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review

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which I don't believe we had

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any large

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issues uh removing the preliminary

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review fee KY if I can just just

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interject and Jim or or you know anyone

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stop me if you disagree but for for

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someone uh as Joe said you know just an

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ordinary citizen watching this could I

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just ask you to correct me if I'm wrong

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in saying that this

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is uh basically almost like a charter to

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describing what our board is and what we

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do right I mean this isn't a bylaw that

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so much

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affects uh you know someone's property

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it's more about our process is that you

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know just to get the over you know so

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everyone knows what we're talking about

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and and it's a it's it's a it's kind of

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a guideline of our process and where

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certain things are a little bit fuzzy

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this kind of clarifies and gives

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explanations on things that we the way

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we do

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things but I I like like uh Mark glanced

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at it and just went through a few things

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and I just keyed on

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uh home

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occupations

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and it actually said what you can't do

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you cannot hire somebody in your office

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besides the owner of the business which

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I think is kind of odd what if you want

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to bring a bookkeeper in hell I remember

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my mother used to work for Bobby Hanan

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half days at Lakeside fuel doing

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bookkeeping uh so just there there's

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other things besides procedure in here I

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think uh Mark okay yeah that particular

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thing on home occupation is just a

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repeat of the actual Zone bylaw and a

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home

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occupation is somebody

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who has no employees works completely

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out of their home for basically running

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their business but they go out like a

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like an electrician if you will yeah

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okay or plumber or or anybody like that

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if you have an employee even if they

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come into your house and do book keeping

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well you may need a home

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business or you know it depends I guess

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how much time they spend in your house

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doing bookkeeping if they come

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in you know nobody's GNA we're getting

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in kind of splitting hairs here yeah and

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well it actually illustrates maybe an

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approach maybe we should reconsider our

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approach and not just make the

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regulations a summary of the

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bylaw but maybe focus a little more on

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how

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we conduct a

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hearing

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yeah so it's a it's

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a and I'm sure I know at one point Ken

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did an inventory for us because we have

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multiple bylaw sections that say and the

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planning board shall adopt

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regulations and we basically haven't for

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anything apart from the Village Center

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overlay right so this is filling in some

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blanks and checking off some boxes

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um but um yeah I i' like to I'm looking

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forward to giving it a more thorough

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review too I didn't actually even see it

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come in until you told me you had sent

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it and I checked for your

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name so uh I'm I'm completely C cold on

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this except that I've been involved with

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aspects of it for a while and Mike Mike

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SARS in one way these regulations could

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also Al Define how we

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interpret um the home occupation such

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that somebody comes in and hires a

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bookkeeper one day a quarter to look at

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their books well that's not really an

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employee give a little bit of leeway on

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certain things better Define things okay

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good by the way one or two of my sisters

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work for Bobby hon

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too come to

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[Music]

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think

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um okay so we can turn the Talking Stick

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back to Kyle sorry sorry for that little

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sidebar I just want to clarify important

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it I agree uh and I do appreciate uh the

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sidebar um Mark Mike everyone for

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contributing uh I think

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um bill is correct that there's some

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content to add there's some clarity to

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be made and I think there's also um more

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value in this document than just

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reiterating exactly what the individual

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bylaws say um so I think if we start to

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get

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past

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um the more

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administrative uh General um sections 1

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two 3 we start to get into the uh how

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the board conducts business and the

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circumstances which uh initiate each

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step we start to see um some larger

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sections like section five special

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permanent

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review

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um I think

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um this format of excuse

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me sorry I got to the wrong page there

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but

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um this pattern of a quick U reference

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to where the authority is coming

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from uh what the task for the board

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is what the role of the applicant is and

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then procedure I think that's a very

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logical pattern it doesn't hold true

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throughout all of the

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circumstances that we get into and I

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think that's where

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um we

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may

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uh carve off our size bites sections

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that we can address in turn um but I

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just wanted to point that out as a

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pattern uh for the board to

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consider sounds good um I again not just

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thinking about the the value of this

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document for the board but also um Joe

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had mentioned you know for a citizen

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wanting to bring business to the board a

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more concise um but accurate document I

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think is

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preferred so then we just start getting

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into the sections so um we we said we

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weren't going to do this so I'm going to

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go back up to the uh table of contents

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just to follow this pattern and review

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what we have um so we have commercial

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site plan review or approval excuse me

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in section six and I just need to move M

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more um in section seven planning Bo

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hearings um including site

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visits uh we do have our fee table which

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we'll want to make sure is accurate and

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up to dat uh and I believe the way that

439
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it's written now it also uh claims to

440
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supered any other documents it's this is

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supposed to be the most accurate and up

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to-date um fee table uh we have a

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section nine waiver of rules waiver of

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compliance and a request for River

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waiver of rules excuse

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me section 10 is more

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Administration um we can jump to that if

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we' like some more clarity on

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that

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um it's really just

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um C codifying when when these adopted

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and how to go about changing those uh

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then you start to get into the more

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specific bylaws and circumstances that

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the board will have

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um such as design reviews for limited

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business

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um excuse me so and then home

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occupations we added the home occupation

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section which is I believe Jim you

461
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pointed out it's pretty much that bylaw

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um um we have some questions about it

463
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section 13 erosion sentiment control is

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very similar it's just about the

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entirety of that bylaw and the

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inclusionary zoning which was added uh

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Mark you noticed a lot of highlighting

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in that section the highlighting is

469
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actually I believe the most relevant

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sections of the bylaw to bring into the

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rules and rs but that is the entirety of

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the bylaw in the document currently

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so that's how it's structured now

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um yeah I welcome feedback from the

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board at this point yeah so so Kyle on

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that 12 13 and 14 where it's I mean

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correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds

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like we've started by putting the whole

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novel in here should we not consider

480
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boiling it down

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to uh what the other intent was to kind

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of

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how the process works or

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it's I don't know yeah would I'm just

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afraid if we have too much information

486
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No One's Gonna read

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it

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exactly why why would you in put home

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occupations in this document when in

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actuality it might

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represent 10% of our

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business

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why is it

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here I guess it's I guess he's trying to

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cover all the options but well because

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it says it says the planning board shall

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adopt regulations so we're trying to put

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the regulations for each of the areas

499
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we're supposed to adopt something I

500
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don't think we need to

501
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repeat my two senses I don't think we

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need to put the bylaw into the

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regulations right we need to put only

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the pertinent sections that we're trying

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to

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adopt something that's a little bit

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fuzzy if you would or how we do

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things I guess I guess the question to

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ask is you know when the board adopted

510
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these particular bylaws particular to

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home occupations I can that's the one

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I'm I'm most curious about um was their

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conversation at the time about

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where you could find rules and

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regulations that wouldn't be found per

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se in the bylaw or was there some

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discussion by the board when this was

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passed

519
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that would have suggested

520
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that there are rules and regulations to

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administering this particular bylaw

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that are not served well in a in the

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actual bylaw and should be in this

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particular

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document I'm I'm GNA sus suggest that it

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was probably language that was imported

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from a draft and never questioned or

528
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,640
challenged okay so it

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stay although I think Jim was working

530
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you were working on the home occupations

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and I was working on the bed and

532
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breakfast at the time that's right yes

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yeah if you if you read you're right

534
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bill in the original documents even

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before I came on it was candy making and

536
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dress making were an example of Home

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occupation and and those were merely

538
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examples I think to follow and a lot of

539
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that was written from a uh a

540
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text of Professor bacon from ammer

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college and it would check off the boxes

542
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what you want to have in your bylaw so

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we've come a long way with

544
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individual and I don't think we should

545
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have there's been just some discussion

546
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not a lot but some discussion about

547
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getting rid of the inclusionary zoning

548
00:28:09,919 --> 00:28:14,240
by law that's one member's dream and U I

549
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don't know why we're focusing on that

550
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,600
here let's keep it in play for the time

551
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being even if it's as the placeholder

552
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:33,679
right maybe we'll come across that magic

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00:28:33,679 --> 00:28:38,960
definition and Lou pman or it may be all

554
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,760
resolved if uh we come up if if the

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state adopts a some form

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of uh sales tax on high value homes that

557
00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:51,360
would go to affordable housing trust

558
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,600
fund that then we can look at it a

559
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:55,519
different

560
00:28:55,519 --> 00:28:59,760
way yeah it appears that the word adopt

561
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,679
is being very kind it appears that the

562
00:29:02,679 --> 00:29:06,919
state is dictating Zing

563
00:29:06,919 --> 00:29:11,519
now so be it so be it they yeah they

564
00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:12,880
make the

565
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,200
rules well I I thought our town meeting

566
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,000
made the

567
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,720
rules only because chapter 48 spells out

568
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,000
what town meeting can

569
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,120
do remember there are limitations of

570
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,919
what Tom meting can't regulate in

571
00:29:30,919 --> 00:29:35,320
4A you want to secede from the state

572
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,279
Joe no but uh you know certainly

573
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:43,039
uh the idea of having the National Guard

574
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:45,159
come in and declaring an emergency

575
00:29:45,159 --> 00:29:48,279
because it's something that

576
00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:50,600
is politically

577
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,880
feasible uh and if you live on the MBTA

578
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,559
line they're really that's a little bit

579
00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:01,120
more honorous they say you could take

580
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,559
down a single family house and put up a

581
00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:05,679
three-story apartment building with no

582
00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:08,760
parking as long as it's on the MBTA line

583
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,320
and that's overruling local zoning but

584
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,000
that obviously is going to be

585
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,640
challenged so the one thing I am seeing

586
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,679
as we go through this and I don't want

587
00:30:18,679 --> 00:30:21,960
to get off on too many tangents I agree

588
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,080
if you could go back just to the just

589
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,679
back to the outline yes

590
00:30:28,679 --> 00:30:37,960
absolutely so I'm seeing um as you

591
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,919
scroll down let's just see if we can

592
00:30:40,919 --> 00:30:44,000
stay on these two pages y organization

593
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,919
the meetings the preliminary review

594
00:30:45,919 --> 00:30:48,000
special permit review then you'll jump

595
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,000
into site plan approval yes then you

596
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,679
have at least two if not three sections

597
00:30:53,679 --> 00:30:56,320
that are administrative again hearings

598
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,200
fees waiver rules and

599
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,200
administration um all it seems like all

600
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,559
of those could go into the first

601
00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:09,080
unit so not necessarily combining or

602
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,120
consolidating but just shifting S8 n

603
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,799
10 yeah 78 n 10 yeah I think they

604
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:19,960
probably could live within one two three

605
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,559
or they could be to come the new four

606
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:25,200
five and six right

607
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,960
um I think there's probably some certain

608
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,919
redundancy there and then if you'd

609
00:31:29,919 --> 00:31:33,320
scroll down towards the the end I think

610
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,960
the rest of these are all pretty much

611
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,720
substantive areas right yeah and so the

612
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,480
question would then be what is missing

613
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,760
of the substantive areas where you want

614
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,639
to elaborate and clarify those fuzzy

615
00:31:47,639 --> 00:31:50,679
details as jimage so if you would go

616
00:31:50,679 --> 00:31:53,760
back up to

617
00:31:53,760 --> 00:32:01,880
uh uh yeah what what triggers getting here as a as a a

618
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:06,440
process I mean food trucks anrs

619
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:13,590
uh accessory Apartments I mean what

620
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,639
uh how do you make the cut you're right

621
00:32:16,639 --> 00:32:20,600
so if you go back up to uh well first

622
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:21,559
special

623
00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:24,000
permits

624
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,559
um the um I think you have some language

625
00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:30,600
that the planning boards has authority

626
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,360
over certain special permits I think

627
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,440
that might be a good place to

628
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,240
incorporate I believe you Ken you did an

629
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,200
inventory or there's an inventory

630
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,080
somewhere what special permits we have

631
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,320
authority

632
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,880
over I guess yeah I recall we'll have to

633
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,799
dig that out I remember putting

634
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:50,279
something together for that so rather

635
00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:53,240
than say certain bylaws just say what

636
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,360
the special permit jurisdiction is right

637
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,960
um I think we want to have a reference

638
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,840
here to the separate subdivision

639
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,919
regulations which we have already

640
00:33:05,919 --> 00:33:10,519
adopted so just uh just a clarification

641
00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:12,720
that yes we have

642
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,840
authority to adopt subdivision

643
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,880
regulations and we have done it in a

644
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,080
separate

645
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,679
document right

646
00:33:21,679 --> 00:33:25,760
um and then I think um we just want to

647
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,919
be sure if we do have where wherever we

648
00:33:29,919 --> 00:33:34,600
have if these four or five uh site plan

649
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:39,320
approval um home occupation uh if we

650
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,519
only had promised to adopt regulations

651
00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:46,519
in a few of them then we should have

652
00:33:46,519 --> 00:33:50,240
that few at least as a starting point

653
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,880
and the rest of them can be covered

654
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,320
under the general special permits

655
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,830
section

656
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,519
we do have

657
00:34:02,519 --> 00:34:05,760
very know site plan approval which is a

658
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,320
special permit for appeals purposes is

659
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,879
probably the most common one we do um

660
00:34:11,879 --> 00:34:15,040
home occupation was big for a while we

661
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,320
haven't the one we just did is the only

662
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,520
one we've done in the last five years

663
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,560
probably and um I don't know if we've

664
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,119
ever done a site plan approval for for

665
00:34:26,119 --> 00:34:38,869
uh soil removal

666
00:34:38,879 --> 00:34:41,159
to your point Joe I think that yeah

667
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:44,440
maybe a 40-page document but at the same

668
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,879
time if someone's coming in for site

669
00:34:46,879 --> 00:34:48,320
plan approval they're not going to be

670
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,760
looking not going to be worried about

671
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,240
how long the chapter on U inclusionary

672
00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:55,879
zoning might

673
00:34:55,879 --> 00:35:00,400
be um I think if we can keep most people

674
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,480
are only in for one thing or two things

675
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,240
at at any one

676
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:11,349
time

677
00:35:11,359 --> 00:35:15,040
um so um they'll look at the portions

678
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,040
that just relate to what they're

679
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:24,310
interested

680
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:32,950
in thank you Mr DWI

681
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,800
is this a good place uh in this document

682
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:41,079
to put a general statement about um

683
00:35:41,079 --> 00:35:44,440
limits of our approval that our approval

684
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,040
is on

685
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:50,440
our um bylaws and codes and does

686
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:55,280
not uh bypass other you know what you

687
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,240
have on that standard sheet that they

688
00:35:57,240 --> 00:35:59,400
sign off after an approve you know would

689
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,640
there be someplace in here that would be

690
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,510
good to I think that would be

691
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,400
appropriate

692
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,200
um trying to remember if there is a

693
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,680
statement required yeah that that

694
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,400
statement good

695
00:36:17,410 --> 00:36:25,710
[Music]

696
00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:29,200
point yes okay um if it's not here I

697
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,440
will make sure to include that statement

698
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:38,790
of authority and limitation mark thank

699
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,040
you do that mean I'm just trying to

700
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,480
think this is kind of a place to put

701
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,280
FAQs you know things

702
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,359
that I'm thinking of it as a place

703
00:36:49,359 --> 00:36:52,160
to if it's a first place that people go

704
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,319
to who don't you know they're not like

705
00:36:54,319 --> 00:36:57,480
Randy eer that they're here every every

706
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,200
other

707
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,599
meeting might be a good kind of I FAQs

708
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:09,710
isn't quite the right term

709
00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:13,800
but yeah but you I'm correct me I'm

710
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,839
wrong Mark you're picturing something

711
00:37:15,839 --> 00:37:18,240
like an appendix that might just be like

712
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:21,079
a streamline process for any

713
00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:24,280
applicant or quick

714
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,720
yeah quick we we've we've worked on that

715
00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:32,880
kind of stream that that if then right

716
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,440
get very gets very Case by case I don't

717
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,359
know I think Jim or or Bill might might

718
00:37:38,359 --> 00:37:39,920
correct me but I think we might have

719
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,560
wanted to shy away from that because

720
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,480
there's always gonna be a case when they

721
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,200
say well your diagram didn't say I had

722
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,280
to go there you know right or we have a

723
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,520
catchall that says and any other

724
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,109
applicable but

725
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:57,480
yeah I think this is is a good place to

726
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:58,800
give

727
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,839
people the basic Lowdown

728
00:38:02,839 --> 00:38:06,920
on how about the statement we're not

729
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:11,040
any zoning enforcement board or a

730
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,160
policymaking board does you think that

731
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,920
needs to be in because somebody will say

732
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,520
I'm coming to the planning board because

733
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,040
I noticed the zoning violation or is

734
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,990
that

735
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,560
redundant that might fit somewhere into

736
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:32,079
the the section one or two you know that

737
00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:34,800
what was one that was in

738
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,599
introduction uh yes it's introduction

739
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:39,480
and then you have your organization

740
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,160
which starts off with the duties of the

741
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,599
board

742
00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:47,920
um and there could possibly

743
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,760
be you know you could at the end of that

744
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,079
say things that are not duties of this

745
00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:55,000
board and that's where Joe's statement

746
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,200
you know we are not an enforcement

747
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,400
uh correct yeah we could we're not a

748
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:08,510
collections Bureau we're not a

749
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:15,200
yeah but in line with that Andy we in

750
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,280
the past we have had people that would

751
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,079
come to us or board members that would

752
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:25,880
point out zoning problems and uh

753
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,079
generally we present it to our full

754
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:31,079
board and then we vote on it and when we

755
00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:35,599
vote on it we vote to send the concern

756
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:37,839
to the building inspector or the zoning

757
00:39:37,839 --> 00:39:39,960
enforcement officer enforcement officer

758
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,280
correct I don't think that has to be

759
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,079
included but that's just the way we we

760
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:54,950
operate with a

761
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,520
conern yeah perhaps perhaps not

762
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,359
procedure to include in this document

763
00:39:59,359 --> 00:40:02,960
but I think a fair approach to Fielding

764
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,160
concerns from

765
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,480
citizens because of institutional

766
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,079
knowledge on this board many times

767
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:12,880
somebody at Town Hall will say well go

768
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,200
to the planning

769
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:19,480
board that's um absolutely and so thank

770
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,440
you gentlemen for class tonight uh it's

771
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,119
been it's been helpful I always do

772
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:25,839
appreciate joining you and bringing you

773
00:40:25,839 --> 00:40:28,880
um hopefully something to contribute to

774
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:34,160
your wonderful work um I think um

775
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,280
this the last 30 minutes or so has been

776
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,520
a helpful exercise because like you said

777
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,960
um Mike there's a lot of institutional

778
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,520
knowledge and I believe you brought it

779
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,880
up or someone else in our last meeting

780
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,800
um I I like the document to reflect how

781
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,640
Hadley does business and it's readable

782
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,359
and it's accessible uh and I appreciate

783
00:40:56,359 --> 00:40:58,680
the feedback tonight

784
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:03,280
um I think I have enough Direction um I

785
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,359
think I have something um a lot to

786
00:41:06,359 --> 00:41:08,319
accomplish but I think we can like you

787
00:41:08,319 --> 00:41:10,520
said bill I think this could go a lot

788
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,920
faster than I would

789
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,760
fear one of my one of my concerns has

790
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,760
been the transition to the next planning

791
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,400
board members because it's gonna happen

792
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,920
it has it will happen and I don't know

793
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,720
if this is an appropriate place to try

794
00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:26,880
to

795
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,520
figure something out but

796
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,920
uh well yeah I think you're you're

797
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,560
absolutely right we're we're writing

798
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,160
down what we do what we you know someone

799
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,280
comes into the board and

800
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,119
we Jim or I usually or Joe gives them

801
00:41:44,119 --> 00:41:48,440
the same Spiel every time yeah about uh

802
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,839
you know come in to see us informally

803
00:41:50,839 --> 00:41:53,319
then file with us so that we can review

804
00:41:53,319 --> 00:41:55,400
for completeness and then you should

805
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,520
take it to per review da da da da da da

806
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,960
um and

807
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,920
U you you've heard it enough times now

808
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,680
that you and you and Mark can probably

809
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:12,680
repeat it uh from memory but uh writing

810
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,720
it down is going to make it that's going

811
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:18,200
to be our transition plan that uh this

812
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,240
is what's worked for us and this is how

813
00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:24,000
we've done it and U yeah let's capture

814
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:28,359
it uh as best we can here so that when

815
00:42:28,359 --> 00:42:31,680
someone comes in with uh you know zero

816
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,520
experience you can hand them this it's

817
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,119
probably going to be more important to a

818
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:40,559
new board member than to a community

819
00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:43,000
member well my main concern is a

820
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,920
transition plan for you and Mr

821
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,520
maximi well it's the added WR down what

822
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,559
you do and then you say yeah and that

823
00:42:54,559 --> 00:42:56,599
way to your point Mike if it's written

824
00:42:56,599 --> 00:43:00,160
down good it doesn't have to be super

825
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,520
specific but it has to be specific

826
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,960
enough that somebody knew coming in

827
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,160
should something happen to one or all

828
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,000
three of us God forbid you know at least

829
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,119
there's guidelines on how how to operate

830
00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:17,119
well then someone at pvpc can help

831
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:20,720
people interpret this stuff I mean

832
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:24,880
it's I think that's why we've got them

833
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:31,400
well we've got them because Mike this is another historical perspective

834
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:32,920
there was a

835
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,160
committee uh formed I call it the

836
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,720
anti-plane board that wanted to get a uh

837
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:44,319
a town planner that they would appoint

838
00:43:44,319 --> 00:43:46,720
and that could overrule or basically

839
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:49,960
dictate what's going to happen to the uh

840
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:55,440
members that were elected and uh so one

841
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,079
of the the compromise was yes why do we

842
00:43:59,079 --> 00:44:01,400
hire Pioneer Valley planning Authority

843
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,119
they can help us negotiate some of the

844
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:08,000
more difficult zoning regulations and

845
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:13,440
also help us craft zoning bylaws so from

846
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,040
the

847
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,040
Inception uh they've been very

848
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:23,520
helpful but certainly like uh many

849
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,599
organizations that organization has

850
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:28,040
gotten huge you

851
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,240
know so I do want to assure you Kyle

852
00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:35,240
that it is easier to edit than to create

853
00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:39,559
so this is not intended as a a criticism

854
00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:43,559
of your work um just working our way

855
00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:47,960
through it no I um I do appreciate that

856
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,480
bill and I appreciate the process and uh

857
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,440
I take it all in stride and recognize

858
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,000
it's it's part of it um I think once we

859
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,160
have everything here um the editing will

860
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,680
come along quickly and I appreciate

861
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,920
everybody's attention to that um I'll be

862
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,720
sure to get this with enough Headway so

863
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:09,599
everyone will have plenty of time to

864
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:12,040
review and I'll try to be respectful of

865
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:13,880
the the board's practice of getting

866
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,319
things to you on

867
00:45:15,319 --> 00:45:19,920
Fridays uh if not sooner um but I

868
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,240
welcome any any feedback you have uh the

869
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:25,400
document uh in the email I'm happy to

870
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,079
resend it

871
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:30,480
um and I can also send it as a I think I

872
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,160
sent it as a PDF so I can send it as a

873
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,200
Word document if you prefer just let me

874
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:35,920
know

875
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,240
um and yeah please um I welcome all the

876
00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:41,680
feedback that's all I have for this

877
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:46,190
document tonight thank

878
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,559
you

879
00:45:48,559 --> 00:45:51,760
great anything else Mr

880
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,640
Kyle Mr anything from Mr

881
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,200
comia um do Mr

882
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,599
Ken well other than um really

883
00:46:00,599 --> 00:46:03,559
appreciating Kyle's work on um many of

884
00:46:03,559 --> 00:46:05,200
these

885
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,319
various um documents that a lot of the

886
00:46:09,319 --> 00:46:11,319
planning boards that we're working with

887
00:46:11,319 --> 00:46:13,359
um it's this type of work we're putting

888
00:46:13,359 --> 00:46:15,000
together a set of rules and regulations

889
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,720
and we're having similar conversations

890
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:20,040
about what belongs in there and what

891
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,079
doesn't um so it's very helpful um I

892
00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:26,200
think for both Kyle and myself to create

893
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,920
some efficiencies um and understand some

894
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,400
efficiencies as we do this work

895
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,440
elsewhere um and what may work in Hadley

896
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:35,839
is not necessarily going to work in

897
00:46:35,839 --> 00:46:40,240
pelum vice versa um but I think um since

898
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:42,880
our last meeting the the biggest to do

899
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,160
and I don't know if the board has given

900
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,880
an additional thought to um DTA that at

901
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,920
the moment is due um on Friday that

902
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,880
application there was the conversation

903
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,440
that we had at the last meeting which

904
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:01,400
was regarding um an assessment of

905
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,640
parcels um for a possible 40R District

906
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:06,960
um whether or not that's something that

907
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,000
the board wants to do um I will say that

908
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,079
you're probably not alone if that's

909
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:15,119
something that you would want to do um I

910
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:16,960
have at least three applications that

911
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,880
are coming in that are going to be

912
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:19,920
looking at

913
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,640
40R um so I you know I'm here to you

914
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,480
know address any questions that you may

915
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:26,480
have

916
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,040
um as to what the expectations may be

917
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,240
for the application I think as you've

918
00:47:31,240 --> 00:47:33,839
done in the past the application is

919
00:47:33,839 --> 00:47:37,240
pretty minimal um it's a narrative it's

920
00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:40,640
you know maybe aligning some pages from

921
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,839
um the various plans that the town has

922
00:47:42,839 --> 00:47:45,559
adopted you've adopted the master plan

923
00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:47,800
you have adopted the housing production

924
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,680
plan um and then um just attaching that

925
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,800
to documents that you would forward to

926
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,839
the executive director um um so I think

927
00:47:56,839 --> 00:47:58,319
that was the other component of work

928
00:47:58,319 --> 00:48:01,040
that we're currently working on um you

929
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,200
know this discussion of of um 40R that's

930
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,240
something that the board still wants to work

931
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:10,480
on um in addition to any other tasks

932
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,760
that you may identify in you know in

933
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,160
your work plan um but it's the rules and

934
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,319
Rags that Kyle's been working on and um

935
00:48:18,319 --> 00:48:22,079
anything else and would this would this

936
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:24,040
be a subcommittee or is this just

937
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:28,680
something that how does that work so you

938
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,440
mean what DLT like how that DTA project

939
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,800
if if the if to have the applies and

940
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:40,640
they receive the DTA Grant sure um how

941
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,520
does that operate on a 40R it can

942
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:48,119
operate in multiple ways so similarly to

943
00:48:48,119 --> 00:48:52,440
the housing production plan um you had a

944
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,720
committee um that was made up of members

945
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:56,480
of the community

946
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,440
um in addition to probably representing

947
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,079
other committees in town um I could

948
00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:04,000
foresee you know the discussion points

949
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,079
and presentation of data that would be

950
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:08,520
presented to the town go through that

951
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,160
committee um in some towns when they

952
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,160
work on 4dr it's working with the town

953
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:15,920
planner and the planning board and

954
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,839
attending the planning board meetings so

955
00:49:18,839 --> 00:49:21,359
you know it's it's dependent on how if

956
00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:24,720
you were awarded that particular Grant

957
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:26,079
how you would want

958
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:29,079
this particular process to look like but

959
00:49:29,079 --> 00:49:32,200
as you you may know as you probably know

960
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,400
is the grant is runs from January to

961
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,760
December so um you know within the work

962
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,839
plan identifying time in addition to

963
00:49:41,839 --> 00:49:44,960
maybe anything else that you may have us

964
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,880
working on outside of

965
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,480
DTA okay I'm going to share um my screen

966
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,000
I did put it on the agenda for tonight

967
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,880
uh to uh I did put the application on I

968
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,440
filled it out and I've done a narrative

969
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,640
so let me just bring up a couple of

970
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,920
things um I'll just note that Mike had

971
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:14,549
his hand

972
00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:19,359
raised so here is the uh the

973
00:50:19,359 --> 00:50:24,430
narrative for the

974
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,000
DTA

975
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,319
you can see that let me get it a little

976
00:50:30,319 --> 00:50:32,359
bigger

977
00:50:32,359 --> 00:50:34,599
yeah what I

978
00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:37,400
wanted that's not what I

979
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,599
wanted okay I don't know where it went

980
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:45,829
so hang on a sec I'll try again you just

981
00:50:45,839 --> 00:50:51,190
had

982
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,400
uh okay well let me go to the

983
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:58,440
application first as Ken said it's very

984
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,030
basic that's

985
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:08,520
it you know just have um authorize U Jim

986
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:09,640
to sign

987
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,440
it now stop share on

988
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:20,030
that and go back to the

989
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:21,080
narrative

990
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,119
[Music]

991
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:29,309
and start share on

992
00:51:29,319 --> 00:51:36,870
that okay so again it is uh a

993
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:42,349
very very brief

994
00:51:42,359 --> 00:51:44,559
narrative you want to take a look at

995
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:54,349
that if you have any

996
00:51:54,359 --> 00:51:56,920
suggestions supposed to be a future town

997
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,599
meeting I I guess the key word is there

998
00:52:00,599 --> 00:52:02,319
we have been

999
00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:06,520
discussing uh 40R as a board for months

1000
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:10,319
and the impetus for this came

1001
00:52:10,319 --> 00:52:12,920
from CDC

1002
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:17,799
proposing the cage as a 40R property and

1003
00:52:17,799 --> 00:52:20,079
that was going to be our lead property

1004
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:21,079
in this

1005
00:52:21,079 --> 00:52:24,480
40R application but in the meantime

1006
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,040
there's no longer

1007
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,079
legal things happening regarding that

1008
00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:30,599
property the state has

1009
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:34,640
decided Ken that it'll be affordable

1010
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:39,079
housing uh so is that included in a 40

1011
00:52:39,079 --> 00:52:44,710
hour application if there's a Fed

1012
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:48,160
complete you mean the impetus for

1013
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,480
creating a 40R District would have

1014
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,480
started if the

1015
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,400
40b would there be a need for a 40R if

1016
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,280
the 40b project was approved is that

1017
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,119
what you're asking the state has said

1018
00:53:02,119 --> 00:53:04,040
there was some you know there was a

1019
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,640
lawsuit and the state has decided that

1020
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,160
the econ Lage will be affordable housing

1021
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:14,040
in spite of what go further Mike uh the

1022
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,440
select board denied the funding for the

1023
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,200
zoning board of appeals who made the

1024
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,079
decision so they could fight that and we

1025
00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:26,559
could win because we have 11 .9% of our

1026
00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:30,240
housing is Affordable but it appears

1027
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:32,480
that this has become more political than

1028
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:36,319
one would like to see and we were work a

1029
00:53:36,319 --> 00:53:38,839
compromised by seeing if we could

1030
00:53:38,839 --> 00:53:42,680
include the Cel Lodge in the 40R and

1031
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,400
then help to kind of dictate what type

1032
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,680
of people would be living there so this

1033
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,760
kind of blows the 40R out of the water

1034
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,640
why even proceed if the state is going

1035
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,040
to tell you what have to do that's one

1036
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:01,280
project uh the 40 this is an important

1037
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:05,119
uh yeah the 40R District we've talked

1038
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:07,000
about it and talked about it all around

1039
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,240
the edges of it but what we have not

1040
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:11,720
done is actually gotten to the point of

1041
00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:19,839
what a 40R bylaw would look like well we no we haven't we have not well in all

1042
00:54:19,839 --> 00:54:22,920
due respect the original impetus was the

1043
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,520
hope that we could put the economic 40b

1044
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:30,000
But Ken came back and saying we have

1045
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:35,390
something a little bit more Global

1046
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:39,200
and yeah that's the district area but it

1047
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,319
doesn't say anything about what the

1048
00:54:41,319 --> 00:54:44,640
district rules will be I mean are we

1049
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,599
going to limit it to duplexes are we

1050
00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:50,640
going to allow three story apartment

1051
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,040
buildings I think that's the kind of

1052
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,920
detail that we haven't we've not gotten

1053
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,799
into on something like this well I guess

1054
00:54:59,799 --> 00:55:02,359
the problem excuse me go ahead the

1055
00:55:02,359 --> 00:55:03,599
problem is that if you're not going to

1056
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:05,359
defend the zoning

1057
00:55:05,359 --> 00:55:09,240
bylaw in court why have a zoning bylaw

1058
00:55:09,240 --> 00:55:11,200
why put something in about 40 hour if

1059
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,920
it's not going to be defended exactly

1060
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,640
right and and it's going to be a tough

1061
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,359
sale at at the town meeting uh try to

1062
00:55:20,359 --> 00:55:23,520
defend something where we have our

1063
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,520
number is 11.9 9% affordable housing yet

1064
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:31,280
they overrule Us by putting more in than

1065
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,039
of course the

1066
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:37,599
uh the the motel down the street too no

1067
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:39,760
one one thing we've learned is that the

1068
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,720
40R is not a quick

1069
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:46,200
fix if we are looking at doing something

1070
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:52,079
with 40R taking it to the May

1071
00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:57,319
2025 annual town meeting is probably the

1072
00:55:57,319 --> 00:55:59,720
quickest turnaround we can

1073
00:55:59,720 --> 00:56:04,039
anticipate so we're uh we're looking at

1074
00:56:04,039 --> 00:56:06,520
uh we're talking talk about planning

1075
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:10,400
this is this is 18 months out and the

1076
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,000
goal of getting the Grant in the next

1077
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,799
year would be to take some time

1078
00:56:16,799 --> 00:56:20,119
to put together you know fill in the uh

1079
00:56:20,119 --> 00:56:23,119
fill in the blanks on the U the sketch

1080
00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:26,160
we have uh

1081
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,280
and see what it would really look like

1082
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:29,839
and then at that

1083
00:56:29,839 --> 00:56:34,319
point um we can take it to town meeting

1084
00:56:34,319 --> 00:56:35,920
and you can say what you want about it

1085
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,520
at town meeting okay my question to you

1086
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,720
Bill is if we come up with a 40R and

1087
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:43,440
let's say we would like to put just the

1088
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,359
Econo section into 40R or one small

1089
00:56:47,359 --> 00:56:50,200
section which would be pount to spot

1090
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:54,240
zoning would we if would we propose

1091
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:56,280
something like that to a town to our

1092
00:56:56,280 --> 00:57:00,240
town we know we know that say we would

1093
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:03,599
all of Route n converted from business

1094
00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:04,599
through

1095
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:06,960
Apartments well my point is isn't the

1096
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,200
eono Lage now out of play isn't it out

1097
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:11,960
of play well you know it was out of play

1098
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,400
for 40R anyway because when we had the

1099
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,839
gentleman from Boston he said that when

1100
00:57:17,839 --> 00:57:21,960
you do a 40R after a failed 40b the

1101
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,359
state doesn't give you the um the per

1102
00:57:24,359 --> 00:57:25,480
unit

1103
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:29,799
cash payment that generally comes with a

1104
00:57:29,799 --> 00:57:33,559
4dr but if we talk about something a

1105
00:57:33,559 --> 00:57:35,359
little more

1106
00:57:35,359 --> 00:57:40,160
expansive let's say Econolodge plus the

1107
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,000
Hampshire mall

1108
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,480
property and what could we develop that

1109
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:49,039
would work for that or maybe extend it

1110
00:57:49,039 --> 00:57:52,920
down as far as Howard

1111
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,760
Johnson's um

1112
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,520
I I agree we're not looking

1113
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:02,280
for the plan that was shared a few

1114
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,950
months

1115
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:10,520
ago was a wish list but I think that

1116
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:14,319
um whatever I want to just separate the

1117
00:58:14,319 --> 00:58:18,599
area with the text of what the zoning

1118
00:58:18,599 --> 00:58:20,839
bylaw the the meat of what a zoning

1119
00:58:20,839 --> 00:58:25,000
bylaw would look like um we're told have

1120
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,400
all sorts of options about allowing this

1121
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:31,079
type and that type but we haven't really

1122
00:58:31,079 --> 00:58:33,839
explored what that looks

1123
00:58:33,839 --> 00:58:35,480
like

1124
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,599
um and I think we also need to get a

1125
00:58:38,599 --> 00:58:41,000
sense get something out there and get a

1126
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:45,319
sense of what the we can Zone everything

1127
00:58:45,319 --> 00:58:49,119
we want for three-story apartment

1128
00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:52,920
buildings but it's not going to get us

1129
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:54,400
it's not going to happen if there's not

1130
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,440
a developer out there who's interested

1131
00:58:56,440 --> 00:59:01,039
in building that product so um like to

1132
00:59:01,039 --> 00:59:03,200
see I I would like to know more about

1133
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,760
what a 40R

1134
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,960
District you know how you put it

1135
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:12,400
together what you what you can allow and

1136
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:17,680
what you can restrict and I'd like to put in the grand

1137
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:21,480
application see if we can uh get some

1138
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,880
help getting a little further along and

1139
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:29,430
we'll see where it

1140
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:34,319
leads yes Kyle if I may um just offer a

1141
00:59:34,319 --> 00:59:36,839
perspective uh Ken and I were in a

1142
00:59:36,839 --> 00:59:40,200
meeting with another Community today who

1143
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:45,440
um they have adopted two separate 40R

1144
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,680
districts

1145
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:51,720
and um having that having adopted those

1146
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,359
a few years ago to date nothing has

1147
00:59:54,359 --> 00:59:59,559
broken ground there's only one um that

1148
00:59:59,559 --> 01:00:02,319
has a developer in line they're lining

1149
01:00:02,319 --> 01:00:03,119
up

1150
01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:05,559
financing and then the other one is

1151
01:00:05,559 --> 01:00:07,799
likely unappealing the way that the text

1152
01:00:07,799 --> 01:00:11,480
is written it may seem like a Prime

1153
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,039
Property for redevelopment and they're

1154
01:00:14,039 --> 01:00:16,440
that Community is actually considering

1155
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:22,000
revising that existing 40R bylaw so um

1156
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,039
just going back to what Mr DWI said

1157
01:00:24,039 --> 01:00:25,920
about planning and

1158
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,200
timelines um you know this work if you

1159
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:30,720
were to apply for the grant and go

1160
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,039
through the process it might not really

1161
01:00:33,039 --> 01:00:37,280
materialize in dramatic change for years

1162
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,280
if at all that's that's not the issue

1163
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:43,039
here but you have your say the issue was

1164
01:00:43,039 --> 01:00:44,880
whether you have a zoning by law and you

1165
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,039
decided to defend it in court or

1166
01:00:47,039 --> 01:00:50,760
not the issue I have with proceeding

1167
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:55,359
ahead is that yes we have a master plan

1168
01:00:55,359 --> 01:00:58,240
every five to seven years and then we

1169
01:00:58,240 --> 01:00:59,839
list the things that people are

1170
01:00:59,839 --> 01:01:02,920
concerned about and the overwhelming

1171
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,599
concern is that we preserve the open

1172
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:08,599
space agricultureal land of the uh the

1173
01:01:08,599 --> 01:01:12,400
town of Hadley but often times people

1174
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:16,400
will come down to the 10th item in the

1175
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,520
what people are wishing for and they'll

1176
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,960
say well it's in your master plan and

1177
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,559
that it's it's in the master plan then

1178
01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:27,559
the planning board is is got to be

1179
01:01:27,559 --> 01:01:32,039
looking at it to approve it and uh

1180
01:01:32,039 --> 01:01:35,160
so I'm afraid if we start down this road

1181
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:36,640
people are going to say well the

1182
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,200
planning board said it's 40 hours look

1183
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:43,680
at and maybe we should adopt it so

1184
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:48,559
uh that that's my concern I agree I will

1185
01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:53,440
say that absolutely I am not in favor

1186
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:54,960
of

1187
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,359
extending a 40R to any undeveloped

1188
01:01:58,359 --> 01:02:02,520
land it would only in my opinion work

1189
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:04,599
for

1190
01:02:04,599 --> 01:02:07,599
redevelopment adaptive reuse of existing

1191
01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:11,359
developed property the um Hampshire mall

1192
01:02:11,359 --> 01:02:13,200
the mountain Farms Mall the Howard

1193
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,559
Johnson's they're never going back into

1194
01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:19,279
agriculture okay you make a valid point

1195
01:02:19,279 --> 01:02:22,640
there but the other side of the point is

1196
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:26,640
this term smart gr every time there is

1197
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,000
some housing or an apartment complex

1198
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,880
next to a a large development whether it

1199
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,200
be lows or whether it be the three-story

1200
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,640
apartment house that went in uh at the

1201
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:41,119
Amis Hadley Town Line people because

1202
01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:42,839
they live in the area are going to

1203
01:02:42,839 --> 01:02:45,839
oppose it so it adversely affects the

1204
01:02:45,839 --> 01:02:48,359
future of the business Zone in route

1205
01:02:48,359 --> 01:02:50,920
n yeah and I hear what you're saying

1206
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:54,559
bill but once you get in bed so to speak

1207
01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:57,640
with the state on this you don't know

1208
01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:59,799
what's going to happen and it's was

1209
01:02:59,799 --> 01:03:02,000
proved with a decision a couple weeks

1210
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,440
ago once you get in bed with a state and

1211
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:05,839
they start giving you

1212
01:03:05,839 --> 01:03:09,319
money all bets are

1213
01:03:09,319 --> 01:03:13,079
off I just want to add a comment if I

1214
01:03:13,079 --> 01:03:15,720
thought I heard something earlier to the

1215
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,520
contrary my understanding is that I mean

1216
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,480
I would like to proceed with applying

1217
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,079
for this

1218
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:24,520
grant with the understanding that there

1219
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:28,160
no commitment that we're going to push a

1220
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,000
4dr we're investigating we're looking if

1221
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,920
it fits us well we're looking what we

1222
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:38,279
can and can't do about it it's just I I

1223
01:03:38,279 --> 01:03:41,839
think the DTA would be ashamed

1224
01:03:41,839 --> 01:03:44,359
to to miss the opportunity to

1225
01:03:44,359 --> 01:03:51,510
investigate this opportunity

1226
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,440
more I'm in favor of of of applying for

1227
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:57,359
this grant to to research the Zone bylaw

1228
01:03:57,359 --> 01:03:59,160
portion of it I

1229
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,799
mean start with something see what we

1230
01:04:01,799 --> 01:04:03,839
get if we goes to town meeting if we get

1231
01:04:03,839 --> 01:04:05,279
something out of it and it goes to town

1232
01:04:05,279 --> 01:04:09,960
meeting and they say no they say no end

1233
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,680
of problem end of

1234
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,960
discussion I'll just point out that how

1235
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,799
I wor I worded this very

1236
01:04:18,799 --> 01:04:21,799
intentionally explore chapter 40 R

1237
01:04:21,799 --> 01:04:24,559
zoning District on route nine okay

1238
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:26,870
that's

1239
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,680
helpful commitment course now that Ken

1240
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,589
knows

1241
01:04:32,599 --> 01:04:35,319
that probably not get a grant now

1242
01:04:35,319 --> 01:04:39,319
because we we're not gung-ho for this um

1243
01:04:39,319 --> 01:04:44,799
could it should it say something about a bylaw too

1244
01:04:44,799 --> 01:04:48,440
Bill I think it's inherent that in the 4

1245
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,799
adopt the 40R zoning District you have

1246
01:04:50,799 --> 01:04:55,279
to create a bylaw okay but let's Leap

1247
01:04:55,279 --> 01:04:59,520
Forward after the study's done and we

1248
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,599
got a 40 yard

1249
01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:04,520
District can the econol be included in

1250
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:06,200
that if the state said this is going to

1251
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,039
be affordable housing no matter what the

1252
01:05:08,039 --> 01:05:10,829
town

1253
01:05:10,839 --> 01:05:13,279
wants I think it can be I don't know as

1254
01:05:13,279 --> 01:05:17,190
it needs to

1255
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,799
be you c a large count for affordable

1256
01:05:20,799 --> 01:05:24,119
housing units yes it pumps the number

1257
01:05:24,119 --> 01:05:26,599
num up

1258
01:05:26,599 --> 01:05:30,200
yes but you'll never get that one

1259
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:38,230
time um payout from the

1260
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:43,279
state from the state he said no um the

1261
01:05:43,279 --> 01:05:46,279
state is so hungry for this kind of

1262
01:05:46,279 --> 01:05:49,480
stuff you never

1263
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:51,760
know well they're going to do it up up

1264
01:05:51,760 --> 01:06:01,710
at the kitridge property in Leverett

1265
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:06,079
we need to do I will make a motion I'll

1266
01:06:06,079 --> 01:06:09,319
make a motion to apply for the grant and

1267
01:06:09,319 --> 01:06:12,079
I would second have a motion and a

1268
01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:15,039
second any other discussion well I think

1269
01:06:15,039 --> 01:06:19,039
my concerns have been uh heard and if

1270
01:06:19,039 --> 01:06:21,799
you to to to quote Benjamin Franklin

1271
01:06:21,799 --> 01:06:24,839
you've got a republic if you can keep it

1272
01:06:24,839 --> 01:06:26,839
and to bring It Forward you got a zoning

1273
01:06:26,839 --> 01:06:29,160
bylaw If you defend it but I'm going to

1274
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:32,520
vote for Bill's uh

1275
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:36,319
motion with that said um any other

1276
01:06:36,319 --> 01:06:38,760
discussion just to cover our basis on

1277
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:40,839
this I'll go for a roll call vote Mr

1278
01:06:40,839 --> 01:06:47,079
dwire yes Mr Mr Dunn yes Mr

1279
01:06:47,079 --> 01:06:50,960
sari yes Mr

1280
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,000
zagrodnik

1281
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:58,119
Obin okay Mr maximos yes v motion passes

1282
01:06:58,119 --> 01:07:03,309
4 Z one

1283
01:07:03,319 --> 01:07:06,799
exension on what grounds is the

1284
01:07:06,799 --> 01:07:09,440
abstaining oh yeah can I just email you

1285
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,279
that with a signature listening to me

1286
01:07:11,279 --> 01:07:15,480
Mike when I was giving my speech so um I

1287
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,160
yeah I think that there are um

1288
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:19,160
directions I think you have to include

1289
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:20,920
the executive director it should be

1290
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:24,119
directed to her um and then there's

1291
01:07:24,119 --> 01:07:25,799
additional copy lines but you can

1292
01:07:25,799 --> 01:07:29,000
definitely copy me on that okay okay

1293
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,359
I'll um I'll get you the application

1294
01:07:31,359 --> 01:07:33,559
tonight if you can sign it and either

1295
01:07:33,559 --> 01:07:36,480
electronically or Inc and scan it back

1296
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:42,470
to me I'll get it in okay all

1297
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:47,760
right when would you like to come back

1298
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:51,200
pvpc we do have we traditionally been

1299
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,119
trying to do the first Tuesday for

1300
01:07:54,119 --> 01:07:56,760
planning but that's January

1301
01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:02,200
2nd uh coming off of uh a holiday week

1302
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,039
basically

1303
01:08:04,039 --> 01:08:07,039
um and we do have a public hearing

1304
01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:09,720
schedule the same one the garden center

1305
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:13,359
gentleman uh was continued to that we do

1306
01:08:13,359 --> 01:08:16,640
have a public hearing on the 19 uh 16th

1307
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:19,679
as well that is for a very small

1308
01:08:19,679 --> 01:08:22,640
subdivision uh that probably is not

1309
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:25,040
going to be

1310
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,520
much of an issue because the the abutter

1311
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,319
next door himself is the beneficiary of

1312
01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:33,000
a very small subdivision a few years ago

1313
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:36,040
so um I don't anticipate that that's

1314
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,000
going to be a hot

1315
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:42,440
night uh so does the 16th work or would

1316
01:08:42,440 --> 01:08:49,229
you like to hold on to the

1317
01:08:49,239 --> 01:08:51,799
second

1318
01:08:51,799 --> 01:08:55,480
um I think between Kyle and I if we're

1319
01:08:55,480 --> 01:08:57,199
considering

1320
01:08:57,199 --> 01:09:01,000
um the rules and Rags Kyle probably

1321
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,000
would be the the mo he's the one that's

1322
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:06,359
working the closest on it um and I think

1323
01:09:06,359 --> 01:09:09,520
he may be available but I think if

1324
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:14,239
anything um it may just be him um but

1325
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:15,719
that probably would make sense to do the

1326
01:09:15,719 --> 01:09:17,440
16th if Kyle's

1327
01:09:17,440 --> 01:09:20,799
available that does work for me so I'll

1328
01:09:20,799 --> 01:09:21,960
plan on the

1329
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:24,400
16th and would we

1330
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:27,159
be likely at that point to know the

1331
01:09:27,159 --> 01:09:30,960
outcome of the DTA grants that's a good

1332
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:34,080
question um I'm hoping so because the

1333
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:36,719
intention of creating the process before

1334
01:09:36,719 --> 01:09:39,759
the new year is that we would be able to

1335
01:09:39,759 --> 01:09:42,600
move um a lot sooner rather than

1336
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:44,799
mid-march which has been typically the

1337
01:09:44,799 --> 01:09:48,640
time that we've started DTA projects so

1338
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,920
I'm hoping by that time we would have um

1339
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:53,359
knowledge of the projects that were

1340
01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:54,719
chosen

1341
01:09:54,719 --> 01:09:57,440
okay so if we are successful that'll

1342
01:09:57,440 --> 01:10:00,960
give us a chance to do some planning for

1343
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:05,669
that as well

1344
01:10:05,679 --> 01:10:08,360
sure

1345
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:12,920
okay um I don't see anything

1346
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:16,679
else um Tom

1347
01:10:16,679 --> 01:10:22,310
quinland any any drainage

1348
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:25,000
issues the never sto but we're working

1349
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,800
on him

1350
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:31,709
okay

1351
01:10:31,719 --> 01:10:33,880
thanks all

1352
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:37,199
right I've got nothing

1353
01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:40,480
else anybody else have anything I have

1354
01:10:40,480 --> 01:10:44,199
nothing else all right motion to adjourn

1355
01:10:44,199 --> 01:10:50,840
so move seconded all favor I I beus

1356
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,760
history thank you Ken thank you Kyle and

1357
01:10:53,760 --> 01:11:01,630
thank you good

1358
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,640
night