[0:00] going all right good evening it's 6:30
[0:03] we have a quorum we'll call the planning
[0:04] board meeting to order and first up reg
[0:08] Mr dwire that would be Mr eer unless
[0:11] he's
[0:13] observing guest M Mr eer better have uh
[0:17] Mr DWI and Mr maximi better have
[0:19] received a plan that I
[0:23] sent
[0:27] yeah so Randy obviously you knew would
[0:30] not be able to sign it as an a butter so
[0:32] you're very
[0:40] astute so do do you have that bill you
[0:43] can put it on the scre yeah right now it
[0:45] won't let me show the
[0:50] um that's the Kelly an anr
[0:55] yes okay uh I've got to download it
[0:59] because it is not
[1:03] uh okay well I can I can talk about it
[1:06] while you're doing that so this is Kelly
[1:10] anr at the corner of Stockbridge and
[1:12] Roosevelt Street on the Westerly side of
[1:16] Roosevelt Street the there's about 30
[1:20] and a half acres there right now uh it's
[1:23] all in APR
[1:25] currently uh Mr Kelly and his wife Marcy
[1:29] would like to divide it uh five acres
[1:33] they're going to keep and 25 acres the
[1:35] Divine brothers are going to buy so the
[1:39] lot one is what's going to be kept by
[1:42] Kelly lot two is what's going to be
[1:44] acquired by
[1:46] Divine uh as I said both of them are
[1:49] currently under APR restrictions so
[1:52] there will be no further development of
[1:55] either
[1:57] lot um it's pretty cut and
[2:02] dry Randy was this uh under the APR
[2:07] program was this the old APR or the new
[2:09] APR was
[2:12] there was what Joe I'm sorry well
[2:15] regarding the price uh because under the
[2:18] new APR the the state has the right of
[2:20] first refusal well maybe Bill knows the
[2:22] answer but uh so did they have to go
[2:26] through a lot of paperwork in uh
[2:30] getting other bids or not I don't know
[2:33] the answer to that Joe but I know that Johnny Kelly has worked with the
[2:37] APR people to get to this point where he
[2:40] knows that they are going to allow
[2:43] divines to buy this yeah that okay
[2:46] obviously they're in the farming
[2:49] business so that would be no
[2:53] question this is hearkened back to the
[2:57] seago property that was originally per
[3:01] purchased at a higher price but then
[3:04] taken away from that person oh
[3:08] yes
[3:10] but no I don't believe there's any of
[3:13] that going on
[3:15] here look I was just looking for some
[3:18] information and
[3:20] uh that that particular problem involved
[3:24] a mortgage foreclosure sale too so
[3:28] that's that's not what is involved
[3:31] here oh
[3:33] no but the AP Pro APR program is still a
[3:37] good
[3:37] program oh yeah it has it flaws but
[3:41] nevertheless
[3:43] it's y right any questions from
[3:47] anybody not motion to approve so let's I
[3:53] can't tell Mark is actually here at the
[3:55] moment no I'm here okay when I try to get right on top of the
[4:00] image you don't want to see my face that
[4:02] close so I just turn off the
[4:06] camera
[4:08] um so
[4:11] uh Joe is in the butter and uh I have
[4:15] represented all of the parties at
[4:17] various times and I don't know if I will
[4:20] be representing them in the future so um
[4:23] I think if
[4:26] um Mark you could make the motion and
[4:28] Mike you could second it and then it' be
[4:32] 302 I would make a motion to approve as
[4:38] submitting second like motion and second
[4:42] any other discussion if not all in favor
[4:45] I I let's do a roll call Vote for This
[4:48] one Mr
[4:50] Dunn oh
[4:52] okay Mr SS I myself I Mr DWI abstain
[5:00] Mr zagrodnik abstain motion passes
[5:06] 302 okay thank you very much gentlemen I
[5:09] will be in touch Jimmy uh and we'll take
[5:12] care of the rest of it whatever okay all
[5:15] right thanks a lot have a good night
[5:16] guys have a good one
[5:18] day bye bye
[5:26] goodbye and um let's see I believe Kyle
[5:31] Fel is part of planning Pioneer Valley
[5:34] Planning Commission take the plan down
[5:36] bill yeah okay Kyle and Ken
[5:39] are yeah here take my
[5:45] abuse Mr Quin oh we got an invoice to
[5:48] pay for for uh Kyla she attended that
[5:54] cptc seminar last week I believe for $40
[5:58] anybody else go to that
[6:01] I signed up for it but I did not uh make
[6:04] it there but I got the
[6:06] handouts okay um so we have one invoice
[6:10] to pay for Kyla for
[6:13] $40 I'm assuming she'll somehow submit
[6:16] something to the to the uh accountant
[6:20] Bill yes I'll go over whatever she needs
[6:23] to do okay so I'll make a motion to
[6:25] reimburse her for
[6:27] $40 second second motion second any
[6:31] discussion all none all in favor I I I I
[6:37] any opposed motion passes unanimously
[6:40] very
[6:41] good
[6:48] okay since um uh pvpc is an appointment
[6:53] and not a public hearing I don't think
[6:55] there's any harm in
[6:58] just okay Mr coma and Mr
[7:03] Kyle you are up
[7:06] gentlemen welcome hi Bor good evening your holiday red
[7:14] on mine is orange but Kyle's is red I
[7:17] saw him at the office today so his is
[7:20] red trying to get trying to get into the
[7:22] spirit
[7:28] Jo well I think uh the big topic that we
[7:32] have for you this evening um forgive the
[7:35] late notice but I sent over the latest
[7:38] version of your Draft rules and
[7:41] regulations um and I'm happy
[7:45] to open that document up now for you if
[7:49] you'd like to share the screen but um
[7:53] yeah when did you send it over uh I did
[7:56] send it over this afternoon I believe I
[7:58] 4 13 PM if I remember unfortunately time
[8:02] stamped uh so I believe uh I sent it to
[8:05] all the board members but um it's very
[8:08] similar to the last document and uh
[8:11] before we actually get into it I was
[8:12] hoping we could entertain a bit of a
[8:15] back and forth uh because it's the the
[8:19] latest version
[8:21] has all the reference documents that Mr
[8:24] dwire has provided and we believe all
[8:27] the feedback for this ongoing
[8:30] process and at this point I'm curious
[8:33] It's about 40-page document and there
[8:36] may be more um content to build into the
[8:41] thing but I'm just curious if um making
[8:47] sure that it is reflective of what the
[8:48] board is
[8:50] doing um if approaching it moving
[8:54] forward at the regularly scheduled
[8:57] meeting is appropriate or if a
[8:59] subcommittee might be a better
[9:01] approach we only got through eight pages
[9:04] last
[9:05] week I don't know if we'll get further
[9:07] along this week I know this is a top
[9:10] priority and I want to uh Advance it um
[9:14] expeditiously but I also want to be
[9:16] respectful of of everyone's time and and
[9:19] would appreciate your feedback on in
[9:21] moving forward is this the best
[9:25] approach recommendations on the board
[9:27] what do you what would we like to do you
[9:28] like to do 40 pages is a lot I mean uh
[9:33] we will wave through it but uh to expect
[9:36] an ordinary citizen to be able to wait
[9:41] through something like this uh i' would
[9:44] be expecting a
[9:46] lot I don't know how if it could
[9:49] be HED down to fewer Pages or not but
[9:54] uh I I I do see a benefit to going over
[9:59] it um that's what we did with the master
[10:03] plan that's what we did with the
[10:04] subdivision regulations and yes it's a
[10:07] lengthy process but hopefully we won't
[10:09] have to do it very often we uh get
[10:13] everything put together and what build
[10:16] it the first time and the the next
[10:18] edit's going to be a lot easier so um we
[10:23] have
[10:24] tried the best we can to hold um the
[10:29] first Tuesday of the month for planning
[10:31] issues and if we take it in you know our
[10:36] siiz
[10:37] bytes um we'll probably get through it
[10:39] faster than you might
[10:43] fear yeah I mean I think I do okay Mr
[10:46] SARS or Mike or Mark what do you think I
[10:48] agree with that I mean enough with
[10:50] subcommittees let's just go go for it
[10:53] yeah I do think yeah that if if we can
[10:56] take it in bites as Bill said
[10:59] it looked like this had uh the
[11:02] predominance of the highlighting on the
[11:05] last page in under
[11:08] Administration yeah right and that and
[11:11] that is a carryover and so that's that's
[11:13] part of what um I think
[11:17] uh if if the board is in agreement and
[11:20] um don't let me c off um Mr chair but if
[11:24] we're in agreement to take it in
[11:27] sections uh at our regular scheduled
[11:30] evenings um hopefully in about an hour
[11:34] uh I think the first question I have
[11:36] then
[11:37] is can we get to uh an agreement
[11:43] of is everything we want in the document
[11:46] in terms of big chunks present or are
[11:50] there glaring omissions that we need to
[11:52] address would that would would the board
[11:55] agree that would be the first thing
[11:58] rather than going line by
[12:00] line and start with the outline and then
[12:03] get to the weaves if we could get into
[12:07] that part of the reason I I bring this
[12:10] up uh also is because I believe there is
[12:13] a lot of um uh
[12:16] redundancy as we've brought over
[12:19] sections of
[12:20] bylaws um that we could start just to
[12:23] Omit um it might make the process go a
[12:27] little bit faster but if if we're ready
[12:29] to jump in I'm happy to share yeah when
[12:33] don't we why don't we start with the
[12:34] outline and see if we can highlight
[12:36] anything that we don't have right that
[12:39] we've
[12:41] omitted and I'll just take this moment
[12:44] to whine as I did on the
[12:47] email that uh by The Virtue that this
[12:52] came in this afternoon and I worked
[12:55] until I just got home I quickly scanned
[12:58] through it but did not read it for
[13:00] Content so I feel wholly unprepared
[13:05] to make constructive comments on it so
[13:08] hopefully I can add comments after the
[13:11] meeting and we can discuss if there's
[13:14] any content that that's a good point
[13:16] mark and I think if we just go over the
[13:18] outline tonight even if it doesn't take
[13:21] an hour or so at least have everybody
[13:24] contemplate the basic outline and what
[13:28] is needed is something missing is there
[13:30] too much and just go from there maybe
[13:32] just a good it'll be a good starting
[13:37] point thank you
[13:41] Jim yeah so I I appreciate that and I
[13:44] think um um yeah I'd like to Circle back
[13:48] to that once we get through the the
[13:50] outline and get a sense of what we like
[13:55] so um pretty standard opening section
[13:59] uh last meeting we got through I
[14:03] believe it was only the first eight
[14:05] pages but I believe it was the first
[14:08] five sections so these should be
[14:10] familiar and um we can jump
[14:14] to the particular subsections if we like
[14:19] but introduction
[14:21] organization uh I believe um there was
[14:24] no huge um Omission there now we
[14:28] actually added a little bit of
[14:30] content um so then
[14:35] sorry um so organization
[14:39] meetings uh I believe we added um a
[14:43] section
[14:45] on absences if that's correct since the
[14:49] town of adoped the mullen's
[14:52] rule
[14:53] um and please interject if I'm
[14:57] mistaken uh but then we get into
[14:59] preliminary
[15:01] review
[15:04] which I don't believe we had
[15:06] any large
[15:08] issues uh removing the preliminary
[15:11] review fee KY if I can just just
[15:15] interject and Jim or or you know anyone
[15:18] stop me if you disagree but for for
[15:23] someone uh as Joe said you know just an
[15:25] ordinary citizen watching this could I
[15:29] just ask you to correct me if I'm wrong
[15:32] in saying that this
[15:34] is uh basically almost like a charter to
[15:38] describing what our board is and what we
[15:41] do right I mean this isn't a bylaw that
[15:45] so much
[15:46] affects uh you know someone's property
[15:49] it's more about our process is that you
[15:53] know just to get the over you know so
[15:55] everyone knows what we're talking about
[15:58] and and it's a it's it's a it's kind of
[16:00] a guideline of our process and where
[16:02] certain things are a little bit fuzzy
[16:06] this kind of clarifies and gives
[16:09] explanations on things that we the way
[16:12] we do
[16:14] things but I I like like uh Mark glanced
[16:20] at it and just went through a few things
[16:22] and I just keyed on
[16:24] uh home
[16:27] occupations
[16:29] and it actually said what you can't do
[16:32] you cannot hire somebody in your office
[16:35] besides the owner of the business which
[16:38] I think is kind of odd what if you want
[16:40] to bring a bookkeeper in hell I remember
[16:42] my mother used to work for Bobby Hanan
[16:45] half days at Lakeside fuel doing
[16:48] bookkeeping uh so just there there's
[16:51] other things besides procedure in here I
[16:54] think uh Mark okay yeah that particular
[16:58] thing on home occupation is just a
[17:00] repeat of the actual Zone bylaw and a
[17:04] home
[17:05] occupation is somebody
[17:08] who has no employees works completely
[17:12] out of their home for basically running
[17:15] their business but they go out like a
[17:18] like an electrician if you will yeah
[17:21] okay or plumber or or anybody like that
[17:24] if you have an employee even if they
[17:26] come into your house and do book keeping
[17:29] well you may need a home
[17:32] business or you know it depends I guess
[17:35] how much time they spend in your house
[17:37] doing bookkeeping if they come
[17:39] in you know nobody's GNA we're getting
[17:43] in kind of splitting hairs here yeah and
[17:45] well it actually illustrates maybe an
[17:48] approach maybe we should reconsider our
[17:51] approach and not just make the
[17:53] regulations a summary of the
[17:57] bylaw but maybe focus a little more on
[18:00] how
[18:01] we conduct a
[18:03] hearing
[18:06] yeah so it's a it's
[18:09] a and I'm sure I know at one point Ken
[18:12] did an inventory for us because we have
[18:15] multiple bylaw sections that say and the
[18:17] planning board shall adopt
[18:20] regulations and we basically haven't for
[18:23] anything apart from the Village Center
[18:26] overlay right so this is filling in some
[18:29] blanks and checking off some boxes
[18:34] um but um yeah I i' like to I'm looking
[18:37] forward to giving it a more thorough
[18:39] review too I didn't actually even see it
[18:41] come in until you told me you had sent
[18:43] it and I checked for your
[18:44] name so uh I'm I'm completely C cold on
[18:48] this except that I've been involved with
[18:51] aspects of it for a while and Mike Mike
[18:55] SARS in one way these regulations could
[18:58] also Al Define how we
[19:01] interpret um the home occupation such
[19:05] that somebody comes in and hires a
[19:09] bookkeeper one day a quarter to look at
[19:12] their books well that's not really an
[19:16] employee give a little bit of leeway on
[19:18] certain things better Define things okay
[19:22] good by the way one or two of my sisters
[19:25] work for Bobby hon
[19:26] too come to
[19:30] [Music]
[19:32] think
[19:34] um okay so we can turn the Talking Stick
[19:37] back to Kyle sorry sorry for that little
[19:40] sidebar I just want to clarify important
[19:44] it I agree uh and I do appreciate uh the
[19:47] sidebar um Mark Mike everyone for
[19:51] contributing uh I think
[19:56] um bill is correct that there's some
[20:00] content to add there's some clarity to
[20:03] be made and I think there's also um more
[20:07] value in this document than just
[20:10] reiterating exactly what the individual
[20:13] bylaws say um so I think if we start to
[20:18] get
[20:19] past
[20:21] um the more
[20:23] administrative uh General um sections 1
[20:28] two 3 we start to get into the uh how
[20:32] the board conducts business and the
[20:34] circumstances which uh initiate each
[20:37] step we start to see um some larger
[20:42] sections like section five special
[20:44] permanent
[20:45] review
[20:47] um I think
[20:51] um this format of excuse
[20:57] me sorry I got to the wrong page there
[21:00] but
[21:01] um this pattern of a quick U reference
[21:06] to where the authority is coming
[21:09] from uh what the task for the board
[21:13] is what the role of the applicant is and
[21:17] then procedure I think that's a very
[21:19] logical pattern it doesn't hold true
[21:23] throughout all of the
[21:25] circumstances that we get into and I
[21:27] think that's where
[21:29] um we
[21:31] may
[21:33] uh carve off our size bites sections
[21:38] that we can address in turn um but I
[21:41] just wanted to point that out as a
[21:42] pattern uh for the board to
[21:46] consider sounds good um I again not just
[21:51] thinking about the the value of this
[21:53] document for the board but also um Joe
[21:56] had mentioned you know for a citizen
[21:59] wanting to bring business to the board a
[22:02] more concise um but accurate document I
[22:06] think is
[22:08] preferred so then we just start getting
[22:10] into the sections so um we we said we
[22:14] weren't going to do this so I'm going to
[22:15] go back up to the uh table of contents
[22:18] just to follow this pattern and review
[22:20] what we have um so we have commercial
[22:23] site plan review or approval excuse me
[22:28] in section six and I just need to move M
[22:31] more um in section seven planning Bo
[22:36] hearings um including site
[22:38] visits uh we do have our fee table which
[22:42] we'll want to make sure is accurate and
[22:45] up to dat uh and I believe the way that
[22:48] it's written now it also uh claims to
[22:51] supered any other documents it's this is
[22:54] supposed to be the most accurate and up
[22:56] to-date um fee table uh we have a
[23:01] section nine waiver of rules waiver of
[23:03] compliance and a request for River
[23:06] waiver of rules excuse
[23:09] me section 10 is more
[23:12] Administration um we can jump to that if
[23:16] we' like some more clarity on
[23:19] that
[23:20] um it's really just
[23:23] um C codifying when when these adopted
[23:28] and how to go about changing those uh
[23:32] then you start to get into the more
[23:33] specific bylaws and circumstances that
[23:37] the board will have
[23:39] um such as design reviews for limited
[23:45] business
[23:49] um excuse me so and then home
[23:52] occupations we added the home occupation
[23:54] section which is I believe Jim you
[23:57] pointed out it's pretty much that bylaw
[24:01] um um we have some questions about it
[24:04] section 13 erosion sentiment control is
[24:07] very similar it's just about the
[24:08] entirety of that bylaw and the
[24:10] inclusionary zoning which was added uh
[24:14] Mark you noticed a lot of highlighting
[24:16] in that section the highlighting is
[24:18] actually I believe the most relevant
[24:21] sections of the bylaw to bring into the
[24:23] rules and rs but that is the entirety of
[24:26] the bylaw in the document currently
[24:28] so that's how it's structured now
[24:32] um yeah I welcome feedback from the
[24:35] board at this point yeah so so Kyle on
[24:38] that 12 13 and 14 where it's I mean
[24:41] correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds
[24:43] like we've started by putting the whole
[24:47] novel in here should we not consider
[24:51] boiling it down
[24:53] to uh what the other intent was to kind
[24:57] of
[24:59] how the process works or
[25:02] it's I don't know yeah would I'm just
[25:07] afraid if we have too much information
[25:09] No One's Gonna read
[25:11] it
[25:14] exactly why why would you in put home
[25:18] occupations in this document when in
[25:21] actuality it might
[25:23] represent 10% of our
[25:26] business
[25:28] why is it
[25:29] here I guess it's I guess he's trying to
[25:32] cover all the options but well because
[25:35] it says it says the planning board shall
[25:37] adopt regulations so we're trying to put
[25:39] the regulations for each of the areas
[25:42] we're supposed to adopt something I
[25:44] don't think we need to
[25:47] repeat my two senses I don't think we
[25:49] need to put the bylaw into the
[25:52] regulations right we need to put only
[25:54] the pertinent sections that we're trying
[25:57] to
[25:58] adopt something that's a little bit
[26:01] fuzzy if you would or how we do
[26:09] things I guess I guess the question to
[26:12] ask is you know when the board adopted
[26:15] these particular bylaws particular to
[26:18] home occupations I can that's the one
[26:20] I'm I'm most curious about um was their
[26:26] conversation at the time about
[26:29] where you could find rules and
[26:32] regulations that wouldn't be found per
[26:34] se in the bylaw or was there some
[26:39] discussion by the board when this was
[26:41] passed
[26:43] that would have suggested
[26:46] that there are rules and regulations to
[26:49] administering this particular bylaw
[26:53] that are not served well in a in the
[26:56] actual bylaw and should be in this
[26:59] particular
[27:01] document I'm I'm GNA sus suggest that it
[27:05] was probably language that was imported
[27:08] from a draft and never questioned or
[27:11] challenged okay so it
[27:14] stay although I think Jim was working
[27:18] you were working on the home occupations
[27:19] and I was working on the bed and
[27:21] breakfast at the time that's right yes
[27:24] yeah if you if you read you're right
[27:27] bill in the original documents even
[27:29] before I came on it was candy making and
[27:33] dress making were an example of Home
[27:36] occupation and and those were merely
[27:39] examples I think to follow and a lot of
[27:42] that was written from a uh a
[27:47] text of Professor bacon from ammer
[27:50] college and it would check off the boxes
[27:53] what you want to have in your bylaw so
[27:58] we've come a long way with
[28:02] individual and I don't think we should
[28:04] have there's been just some discussion
[28:06] not a lot but some discussion about
[28:07] getting rid of the inclusionary zoning
[28:09] by law that's one member's dream and U I
[28:14] don't know why we're focusing on that
[28:23] here let's keep it in play for the time
[28:26] being even if it's as the placeholder
[28:29] right maybe we'll come across that magic
[28:33] definition and Lou pman or it may be all
[28:38] resolved if uh we come up if if the
[28:41] state adopts a some form
[28:44] of uh sales tax on high value homes that
[28:49] would go to affordable housing trust
[28:51] fund that then we can look at it a
[28:54] different
[28:55] way yeah it appears that the word adopt
[28:59] is being very kind it appears that the
[29:02] state is dictating Zing
[29:06] now so be it so be it they yeah they
[29:11] make the
[29:12] rules well I I thought our town meeting
[29:16] made the
[29:18] rules only because chapter 48 spells out
[29:21] what town meeting can
[29:24] do remember there are limitations of
[29:27] what Tom meting can't regulate in
[29:30] 4A you want to secede from the state
[29:35] Joe no but uh you know certainly
[29:39] uh the idea of having the National Guard
[29:43] come in and declaring an emergency
[29:45] because it's something that
[29:48] is politically
[29:50] feasible uh and if you live on the MBTA
[29:54] line they're really that's a little bit
[29:58] more honorous they say you could take
[30:01] down a single family house and put up a
[30:03] three-story apartment building with no
[30:05] parking as long as it's on the MBTA line
[30:08] and that's overruling local zoning but
[30:11] that obviously is going to be
[30:14] challenged so the one thing I am seeing
[30:16] as we go through this and I don't want
[30:18] to get off on too many tangents I agree
[30:21] if you could go back just to the just
[30:25] back to the outline yes
[30:28] absolutely so I'm seeing um as you
[30:37] scroll down let's just see if we can
[30:40] stay on these two pages y organization
[30:44] the meetings the preliminary review
[30:45] special permit review then you'll jump
[30:48] into site plan approval yes then you
[30:51] have at least two if not three sections
[30:53] that are administrative again hearings
[30:56] fees waiver rules and
[30:59] administration um all it seems like all
[31:02] of those could go into the first
[31:05] unit so not necessarily combining or
[31:09] consolidating but just shifting S8 n
[31:13] 10 yeah 78 n 10 yeah I think they
[31:16] probably could live within one two three
[31:19] or they could be to come the new four
[31:22] five and six right
[31:25] um I think there's probably some certain
[31:27] redundancy there and then if you'd
[31:29] scroll down towards the the end I think
[31:33] the rest of these are all pretty much
[31:34] substantive areas right yeah and so the
[31:38] question would then be what is missing
[31:41] of the substantive areas where you want
[31:43] to elaborate and clarify those fuzzy
[31:47] details as jimage so if you would go
[31:50] back up to
[31:53] uh uh yeah what what triggers getting here as a as a a
[32:01] process I mean food trucks anrs
[32:06] uh accessory Apartments I mean what
[32:13] uh how do you make the cut you're right
[32:16] so if you go back up to uh well first
[32:20] special
[32:21] permits
[32:24] um the um I think you have some language
[32:28] that the planning boards has authority
[32:30] over certain special permits I think
[32:33] that might be a good place to
[32:35] incorporate I believe you Ken you did an
[32:38] inventory or there's an inventory
[32:40] somewhere what special permits we have
[32:42] authority
[32:43] over I guess yeah I recall we'll have to
[32:46] dig that out I remember putting
[32:48] something together for that so rather
[32:50] than say certain bylaws just say what
[32:53] the special permit jurisdiction is right
[32:57] um I think we want to have a reference
[33:00] here to the separate subdivision
[33:03] regulations which we have already
[33:05] adopted so just uh just a clarification
[33:10] that yes we have
[33:12] authority to adopt subdivision
[33:15] regulations and we have done it in a
[33:17] separate
[33:19] document right
[33:21] um and then I think um we just want to
[33:25] be sure if we do have where wherever we
[33:29] have if these four or five uh site plan
[33:34] approval um home occupation uh if we
[33:39] only had promised to adopt regulations
[33:43] in a few of them then we should have
[33:46] that few at least as a starting point
[33:50] and the rest of them can be covered
[33:52] under the general special permits
[33:56] section
[34:00] we do have
[34:02] very know site plan approval which is a
[34:05] special permit for appeals purposes is
[34:08] probably the most common one we do um
[34:11] home occupation was big for a while we
[34:15] haven't the one we just did is the only
[34:17] one we've done in the last five years
[34:20] probably and um I don't know if we've
[34:23] ever done a site plan approval for for
[34:26] uh soil removal
[34:38] to your point Joe I think that yeah
[34:41] maybe a 40-page document but at the same
[34:44] time if someone's coming in for site
[34:46] plan approval they're not going to be
[34:48] looking not going to be worried about
[34:50] how long the chapter on U inclusionary
[34:54] zoning might
[34:55] be um I think if we can keep most people
[35:00] are only in for one thing or two things
[35:03] at at any one
[35:06] time
[35:11] um so um they'll look at the portions
[35:15] that just relate to what they're
[35:17] interested
[35:24] in thank you Mr DWI
[35:32] is this a good place uh in this document
[35:35] to put a general statement about um
[35:41] limits of our approval that our approval
[35:44] is on
[35:46] our um bylaws and codes and does
[35:50] not uh bypass other you know what you
[35:55] have on that standard sheet that they
[35:57] sign off after an approve you know would
[35:59] there be someplace in here that would be
[36:01] good to I think that would be
[36:05] appropriate
[36:07] um trying to remember if there is a
[36:11] statement required yeah that that
[36:13] statement good
[36:17] [Music]
[36:25] point yes okay um if it's not here I
[36:29] will make sure to include that statement
[36:31] of authority and limitation mark thank
[36:38] you do that mean I'm just trying to
[36:41] think this is kind of a place to put
[36:43] FAQs you know things
[36:46] that I'm thinking of it as a place
[36:49] to if it's a first place that people go
[36:52] to who don't you know they're not like
[36:54] Randy eer that they're here every every
[36:57] other
[36:59] meeting might be a good kind of I FAQs
[37:03] isn't quite the right term
[37:09] but yeah but you I'm correct me I'm
[37:13] wrong Mark you're picturing something
[37:15] like an appendix that might just be like
[37:18] a streamline process for any
[37:21] applicant or quick
[37:24] yeah quick we we've we've worked on that
[37:27] kind of stream that that if then right
[37:32] get very gets very Case by case I don't
[37:35] know I think Jim or or Bill might might
[37:38] correct me but I think we might have
[37:39] wanted to shy away from that because
[37:41] there's always gonna be a case when they
[37:43] say well your diagram didn't say I had
[37:45] to go there you know right or we have a
[37:48] catchall that says and any other
[37:51] applicable but
[37:55] yeah I think this is is a good place to
[37:57] give
[37:58] people the basic Lowdown
[38:02] on how about the statement we're not
[38:06] any zoning enforcement board or a
[38:11] policymaking board does you think that
[38:14] needs to be in because somebody will say
[38:16] I'm coming to the planning board because
[38:18] I noticed the zoning violation or is
[38:21] that
[38:25] redundant that might fit somewhere into
[38:27] the the section one or two you know that
[38:32] what was one that was in
[38:34] introduction uh yes it's introduction
[38:37] and then you have your organization
[38:39] which starts off with the duties of the
[38:42] board
[38:44] um and there could possibly
[38:47] be you know you could at the end of that
[38:50] say things that are not duties of this
[38:53] board and that's where Joe's statement
[38:55] you know we are not an enforcement
[38:59] uh correct yeah we could we're not a
[39:03] collections Bureau we're not a
[39:08] yeah but in line with that Andy we in
[39:15] the past we have had people that would
[39:17] come to us or board members that would
[39:20] point out zoning problems and uh
[39:25] generally we present it to our full
[39:28] board and then we vote on it and when we
[39:31] vote on it we vote to send the concern
[39:35] to the building inspector or the zoning
[39:37] enforcement officer enforcement officer
[39:39] correct I don't think that has to be
[39:41] included but that's just the way we we
[39:44] operate with a
[39:54] conern yeah perhaps perhaps not
[39:57] procedure to include in this document
[39:59] but I think a fair approach to Fielding
[40:02] concerns from
[40:05] citizens because of institutional
[40:07] knowledge on this board many times
[40:10] somebody at Town Hall will say well go
[40:12] to the planning
[40:14] board that's um absolutely and so thank
[40:19] you gentlemen for class tonight uh it's
[40:21] been it's been helpful I always do
[40:23] appreciate joining you and bringing you
[40:25] um hopefully something to contribute to
[40:28] your wonderful work um I think um
[40:34] this the last 30 minutes or so has been
[40:37] a helpful exercise because like you said
[40:40] um Mike there's a lot of institutional
[40:42] knowledge and I believe you brought it
[40:44] up or someone else in our last meeting
[40:47] um I I like the document to reflect how
[40:50] Hadley does business and it's readable
[40:53] and it's accessible uh and I appreciate
[40:56] the feedback tonight
[40:58] um I think I have enough Direction um I
[41:03] think I have something um a lot to
[41:06] accomplish but I think we can like you
[41:08] said bill I think this could go a lot
[41:10] faster than I would
[41:12] fear one of my one of my concerns has
[41:15] been the transition to the next planning
[41:18] board members because it's gonna happen
[41:21] it has it will happen and I don't know
[41:23] if this is an appropriate place to try
[41:25] to
[41:26] figure something out but
[41:29] uh well yeah I think you're you're
[41:31] absolutely right we're we're writing
[41:33] down what we do what we you know someone
[41:37] comes into the board and
[41:40] we Jim or I usually or Joe gives them
[41:44] the same Spiel every time yeah about uh
[41:48] you know come in to see us informally
[41:50] then file with us so that we can review
[41:53] for completeness and then you should
[41:55] take it to per review da da da da da da
[41:59] um and
[42:01] U you you've heard it enough times now
[42:04] that you and you and Mark can probably
[42:07] repeat it uh from memory but uh writing
[42:12] it down is going to make it that's going
[42:14] to be our transition plan that uh this
[42:18] is what's worked for us and this is how
[42:21] we've done it and U yeah let's capture
[42:24] it uh as best we can here so that when
[42:28] someone comes in with uh you know zero
[42:31] experience you can hand them this it's
[42:34] probably going to be more important to a
[42:37] new board member than to a community
[42:40] member well my main concern is a
[42:43] transition plan for you and Mr
[42:46] maximi well it's the added WR down what
[42:50] you do and then you say yeah and that
[42:54] way to your point Mike if it's written
[42:56] down good it doesn't have to be super
[43:00] specific but it has to be specific
[43:02] enough that somebody knew coming in
[43:04] should something happen to one or all
[43:08] three of us God forbid you know at least
[43:11] there's guidelines on how how to operate
[43:14] well then someone at pvpc can help
[43:17] people interpret this stuff I mean
[43:20] it's I think that's why we've got them
[43:24] well we've got them because Mike this is another historical perspective
[43:31] there was a
[43:32] committee uh formed I call it the
[43:36] anti-plane board that wanted to get a uh
[43:40] a town planner that they would appoint
[43:44] and that could overrule or basically
[43:46] dictate what's going to happen to the uh
[43:49] members that were elected and uh so one
[43:55] of the the compromise was yes why do we
[43:59] hire Pioneer Valley planning Authority
[44:01] they can help us negotiate some of the
[44:05] more difficult zoning regulations and
[44:08] also help us craft zoning bylaws so from
[44:13] the
[44:15] Inception uh they've been very
[44:18] helpful but certainly like uh many
[44:23] organizations that organization has
[44:25] gotten huge you
[44:28] know so I do want to assure you Kyle
[44:31] that it is easier to edit than to create
[44:35] so this is not intended as a a criticism
[44:39] of your work um just working our way
[44:43] through it no I um I do appreciate that
[44:47] bill and I appreciate the process and uh
[44:51] I take it all in stride and recognize
[44:53] it's it's part of it um I think once we
[44:57] have everything here um the editing will
[45:00] come along quickly and I appreciate
[45:01] everybody's attention to that um I'll be
[45:04] sure to get this with enough Headway so
[45:07] everyone will have plenty of time to
[45:09] review and I'll try to be respectful of
[45:12] the the board's practice of getting
[45:13] things to you on
[45:15] Fridays uh if not sooner um but I
[45:19] welcome any any feedback you have uh the
[45:23] document uh in the email I'm happy to
[45:25] resend it
[45:27] um and I can also send it as a I think I
[45:30] sent it as a PDF so I can send it as a
[45:32] Word document if you prefer just let me
[45:34] know
[45:35] um and yeah please um I welcome all the
[45:39] feedback that's all I have for this
[45:41] document tonight thank
[45:46] you
[45:48] great anything else Mr
[45:51] Kyle Mr anything from Mr
[45:54] comia um do Mr
[45:57] Ken well other than um really
[46:00] appreciating Kyle's work on um many of
[46:03] these
[46:05] various um documents that a lot of the
[46:09] planning boards that we're working with
[46:11] um it's this type of work we're putting
[46:13] together a set of rules and regulations
[46:15] and we're having similar conversations
[46:17] about what belongs in there and what
[46:20] doesn't um so it's very helpful um I
[46:23] think for both Kyle and myself to create
[46:26] some efficiencies um and understand some
[46:28] efficiencies as we do this work
[46:31] elsewhere um and what may work in Hadley
[46:34] is not necessarily going to work in
[46:35] pelum vice versa um but I think um since
[46:40] our last meeting the the biggest to do
[46:42] and I don't know if the board has given
[46:45] an additional thought to um DTA that at
[46:48] the moment is due um on Friday that
[46:52] application there was the conversation
[46:54] that we had at the last meeting which
[46:56] was regarding um an assessment of
[47:01] parcels um for a possible 40R District
[47:05] um whether or not that's something that
[47:06] the board wants to do um I will say that
[47:10] you're probably not alone if that's
[47:12] something that you would want to do um I
[47:15] have at least three applications that
[47:16] are coming in that are going to be
[47:18] looking at
[47:19] 40R um so I you know I'm here to you
[47:23] know address any questions that you may
[47:25] have
[47:26] um as to what the expectations may be
[47:29] for the application I think as you've
[47:31] done in the past the application is
[47:33] pretty minimal um it's a narrative it's
[47:37] you know maybe aligning some pages from
[47:40] um the various plans that the town has
[47:42] adopted you've adopted the master plan
[47:45] you have adopted the housing production
[47:47] plan um and then um just attaching that
[47:51] to documents that you would forward to
[47:53] the executive director um um so I think
[47:56] that was the other component of work
[47:58] that we're currently working on um you
[48:01] know this discussion of of um 40R that's
[48:04] something that the board still wants to work
[48:07] on um in addition to any other tasks
[48:10] that you may identify in you know in
[48:12] your work plan um but it's the rules and
[48:15] Rags that Kyle's been working on and um
[48:18] anything else and would this would this
[48:22] be a subcommittee or is this just
[48:24] something that how does that work so you
[48:28] mean what DLT like how that DTA project
[48:32] if if the if to have the applies and
[48:34] they receive the DTA Grant sure um how
[48:40] does that operate on a 40R it can
[48:44] operate in multiple ways so similarly to
[48:48] the housing production plan um you had a
[48:52] committee um that was made up of members
[48:54] of the community
[48:56] um in addition to probably representing
[48:58] other committees in town um I could
[49:01] foresee you know the discussion points
[49:04] and presentation of data that would be
[49:06] presented to the town go through that
[49:08] committee um in some towns when they
[49:11] work on 4dr it's working with the town
[49:14] planner and the planning board and
[49:15] attending the planning board meetings so
[49:18] you know it's it's dependent on how if
[49:21] you were awarded that particular Grant
[49:24] how you would want
[49:26] this particular process to look like but
[49:29] as you you may know as you probably know
[49:32] is the grant is runs from January to
[49:35] December so um you know within the work
[49:38] plan identifying time in addition to
[49:41] maybe anything else that you may have us
[49:44] working on outside of
[49:48] DTA okay I'm going to share um my screen
[49:52] I did put it on the agenda for tonight
[49:56] uh to uh I did put the application on I
[49:59] filled it out and I've done a narrative
[50:02] so let me just bring up a couple of
[50:05] things um I'll just note that Mike had
[50:08] his hand
[50:14] raised so here is the uh the
[50:19] narrative for the
[50:24] DTA
[50:27] you can see that let me get it a little
[50:30] bigger
[50:32] yeah what I
[50:34] wanted that's not what I
[50:37] wanted okay I don't know where it went
[50:39] so hang on a sec I'll try again you just
[50:45] had
[50:51] uh okay well let me go to the
[50:53] application first as Ken said it's very
[50:58] basic that's
[51:02] it you know just have um authorize U Jim
[51:08] to sign
[51:09] it now stop share on
[51:13] that and go back to the
[51:20] narrative
[51:21] [Music]
[51:23] and start share on
[51:29] that okay so again it is uh a
[51:36] very very brief
[51:42] narrative you want to take a look at
[51:44] that if you have any
[51:54] suggestions supposed to be a future town
[51:56] meeting I I guess the key word is there
[52:00] we have been
[52:02] discussing uh 40R as a board for months
[52:06] and the impetus for this came
[52:10] from CDC
[52:12] proposing the cage as a 40R property and
[52:17] that was going to be our lead property
[52:20] in this
[52:21] 40R application but in the meantime
[52:24] there's no longer
[52:26] legal things happening regarding that
[52:28] property the state has
[52:30] decided Ken that it'll be affordable
[52:34] housing uh so is that included in a 40
[52:39] hour application if there's a Fed
[52:44] complete you mean the impetus for
[52:48] creating a 40R District would have
[52:50] started if the
[52:53] 40b would there be a need for a 40R if
[52:56] the 40b project was approved is that
[52:59] what you're asking the state has said
[53:02] there was some you know there was a
[53:04] lawsuit and the state has decided that
[53:06] the econ Lage will be affordable housing
[53:10] in spite of what go further Mike uh the
[53:14] select board denied the funding for the
[53:17] zoning board of appeals who made the
[53:20] decision so they could fight that and we
[53:23] could win because we have 11 .9% of our
[53:26] housing is Affordable but it appears
[53:30] that this has become more political than
[53:32] one would like to see and we were work a
[53:36] compromised by seeing if we could
[53:38] include the Cel Lodge in the 40R and
[53:42] then help to kind of dictate what type
[53:46] of people would be living there so this
[53:49] kind of blows the 40R out of the water
[53:51] why even proceed if the state is going
[53:53] to tell you what have to do that's one
[53:57] project uh the 40 this is an important
[54:01] uh yeah the 40R District we've talked
[54:05] about it and talked about it all around
[54:07] the edges of it but what we have not
[54:09] done is actually gotten to the point of
[54:11] what a 40R bylaw would look like well we no we haven't we have not well in all
[54:19] due respect the original impetus was the
[54:22] hope that we could put the economic 40b
[54:26] But Ken came back and saying we have
[54:30] something a little bit more Global
[54:35] and yeah that's the district area but it
[54:39] doesn't say anything about what the
[54:41] district rules will be I mean are we
[54:44] going to limit it to duplexes are we
[54:47] going to allow three story apartment
[54:50] buildings I think that's the kind of
[54:53] detail that we haven't we've not gotten
[54:55] into on something like this well I guess
[54:59] the problem excuse me go ahead the
[55:02] problem is that if you're not going to
[55:03] defend the zoning
[55:05] bylaw in court why have a zoning bylaw
[55:09] why put something in about 40 hour if
[55:11] it's not going to be defended exactly
[55:13] right and and it's going to be a tough
[55:16] sale at at the town meeting uh try to
[55:20] defend something where we have our
[55:23] number is 11.9 9% affordable housing yet
[55:27] they overrule Us by putting more in than
[55:31] of course the
[55:34] uh the the motel down the street too no
[55:37] one one thing we've learned is that the
[55:39] 40R is not a quick
[55:41] fix if we are looking at doing something
[55:46] with 40R taking it to the May
[55:52] 2025 annual town meeting is probably the
[55:57] quickest turnaround we can
[55:59] anticipate so we're uh we're looking at
[56:04] uh we're talking talk about planning
[56:06] this is this is 18 months out and the
[56:10] goal of getting the Grant in the next
[56:13] year would be to take some time
[56:16] to put together you know fill in the uh
[56:20] fill in the blanks on the U the sketch
[56:23] we have uh
[56:26] and see what it would really look like
[56:28] and then at that
[56:29] point um we can take it to town meeting
[56:34] and you can say what you want about it
[56:35] at town meeting okay my question to you
[56:38] Bill is if we come up with a 40R and
[56:40] let's say we would like to put just the
[56:43] Econo section into 40R or one small
[56:47] section which would be pount to spot
[56:50] zoning would we if would we propose
[56:54] something like that to a town to our
[56:56] town we know we know that say we would
[57:00] all of Route n converted from business
[57:03] through
[57:04] Apartments well my point is isn't the
[57:06] eono Lage now out of play isn't it out
[57:10] of play well you know it was out of play
[57:11] for 40R anyway because when we had the
[57:14] gentleman from Boston he said that when
[57:17] you do a 40R after a failed 40b the
[57:21] state doesn't give you the um the per
[57:24] unit
[57:25] cash payment that generally comes with a
[57:29] 4dr but if we talk about something a
[57:33] little more
[57:35] expansive let's say Econolodge plus the
[57:40] Hampshire mall
[57:42] property and what could we develop that
[57:45] would work for that or maybe extend it
[57:49] down as far as Howard
[57:52] Johnson's um
[57:55] I I agree we're not looking
[57:58] for the plan that was shared a few
[58:02] months
[58:04] ago was a wish list but I think that
[58:10] um whatever I want to just separate the
[58:14] area with the text of what the zoning
[58:18] bylaw the the meat of what a zoning
[58:20] bylaw would look like um we're told have
[58:25] all sorts of options about allowing this
[58:27] type and that type but we haven't really
[58:31] explored what that looks
[58:33] like
[58:35] um and I think we also need to get a
[58:38] sense get something out there and get a
[58:41] sense of what the we can Zone everything
[58:45] we want for three-story apartment
[58:49] buildings but it's not going to get us
[58:52] it's not going to happen if there's not
[58:54] a developer out there who's interested
[58:56] in building that product so um like to
[59:01] see I I would like to know more about
[59:03] what a 40R
[59:05] District you know how you put it
[59:07] together what you what you can allow and
[59:12] what you can restrict and I'd like to put in the grand
[59:17] application see if we can uh get some
[59:21] help getting a little further along and
[59:24] we'll see where it
[59:29] leads yes Kyle if I may um just offer a
[59:34] perspective uh Ken and I were in a
[59:36] meeting with another Community today who
[59:40] um they have adopted two separate 40R
[59:45] districts
[59:47] and um having that having adopted those
[59:51] a few years ago to date nothing has
[59:54] broken ground there's only one um that
[59:59] has a developer in line they're lining
[1:00:02] up
[1:00:03] financing and then the other one is
[1:00:05] likely unappealing the way that the text
[1:00:07] is written it may seem like a Prime
[1:00:11] Property for redevelopment and they're
[1:00:14] that Community is actually considering
[1:00:16] revising that existing 40R bylaw so um
[1:00:22] just going back to what Mr DWI said
[1:00:24] about planning and
[1:00:25] timelines um you know this work if you
[1:00:29] were to apply for the grant and go
[1:00:30] through the process it might not really
[1:00:33] materialize in dramatic change for years
[1:00:37] if at all that's that's not the issue
[1:00:39] here but you have your say the issue was
[1:00:43] whether you have a zoning by law and you
[1:00:44] decided to defend it in court or
[1:00:47] not the issue I have with proceeding
[1:00:50] ahead is that yes we have a master plan
[1:00:55] every five to seven years and then we
[1:00:58] list the things that people are
[1:00:59] concerned about and the overwhelming
[1:01:02] concern is that we preserve the open
[1:01:05] space agricultureal land of the uh the
[1:01:08] town of Hadley but often times people
[1:01:12] will come down to the 10th item in the
[1:01:16] what people are wishing for and they'll
[1:01:18] say well it's in your master plan and
[1:01:21] that it's it's in the master plan then
[1:01:24] the planning board is is got to be
[1:01:27] looking at it to approve it and uh
[1:01:32] so I'm afraid if we start down this road
[1:01:35] people are going to say well the
[1:01:36] planning board said it's 40 hours look
[1:01:39] at and maybe we should adopt it so
[1:01:43] uh that that's my concern I agree I will
[1:01:48] say that absolutely I am not in favor
[1:01:53] of
[1:01:54] extending a 40R to any undeveloped
[1:01:58] land it would only in my opinion work
[1:02:02] for
[1:02:04] redevelopment adaptive reuse of existing
[1:02:07] developed property the um Hampshire mall
[1:02:11] the mountain Farms Mall the Howard
[1:02:13] Johnson's they're never going back into
[1:02:16] agriculture okay you make a valid point
[1:02:19] there but the other side of the point is
[1:02:22] this term smart gr every time there is
[1:02:26] some housing or an apartment complex
[1:02:29] next to a a large development whether it
[1:02:31] be lows or whether it be the three-story
[1:02:34] apartment house that went in uh at the
[1:02:37] Amis Hadley Town Line people because
[1:02:41] they live in the area are going to
[1:02:42] oppose it so it adversely affects the
[1:02:45] future of the business Zone in route
[1:02:48] n yeah and I hear what you're saying
[1:02:50] bill but once you get in bed so to speak
[1:02:54] with the state on this you don't know
[1:02:57] what's going to happen and it's was
[1:02:59] proved with a decision a couple weeks
[1:03:02] ago once you get in bed with a state and
[1:03:04] they start giving you
[1:03:05] money all bets are
[1:03:09] off I just want to add a comment if I
[1:03:13] thought I heard something earlier to the
[1:03:15] contrary my understanding is that I mean
[1:03:18] I would like to proceed with applying
[1:03:20] for this
[1:03:22] grant with the understanding that there
[1:03:24] no commitment that we're going to push a
[1:03:28] 4dr we're investigating we're looking if
[1:03:31] it fits us well we're looking what we
[1:03:33] can and can't do about it it's just I I
[1:03:38] think the DTA would be ashamed
[1:03:41] to to miss the opportunity to
[1:03:44] investigate this opportunity
[1:03:51] more I'm in favor of of of applying for
[1:03:54] this grant to to research the Zone bylaw
[1:03:57] portion of it I
[1:03:59] mean start with something see what we
[1:04:01] get if we goes to town meeting if we get
[1:04:03] something out of it and it goes to town
[1:04:05] meeting and they say no they say no end
[1:04:09] of problem end of
[1:04:12] discussion I'll just point out that how
[1:04:15] I wor I worded this very
[1:04:18] intentionally explore chapter 40 R
[1:04:21] zoning District on route nine okay
[1:04:24] that's
[1:04:26] helpful commitment course now that Ken
[1:04:29] knows
[1:04:32] that probably not get a grant now
[1:04:35] because we we're not gung-ho for this um
[1:04:39] could it should it say something about a bylaw too
[1:04:44] Bill I think it's inherent that in the 4
[1:04:48] adopt the 40R zoning District you have
[1:04:50] to create a bylaw okay but let's Leap
[1:04:55] Forward after the study's done and we
[1:04:59] got a 40 yard
[1:05:01] District can the econol be included in
[1:05:04] that if the state said this is going to
[1:05:06] be affordable housing no matter what the
[1:05:08] town
[1:05:10] wants I think it can be I don't know as
[1:05:13] it needs to
[1:05:17] be you c a large count for affordable
[1:05:20] housing units yes it pumps the number
[1:05:24] num up
[1:05:26] yes but you'll never get that one
[1:05:30] time um payout from the
[1:05:38] state from the state he said no um the
[1:05:43] state is so hungry for this kind of
[1:05:46] stuff you never
[1:05:49] know well they're going to do it up up
[1:05:51] at the kitridge property in Leverett
[1:06:01] we need to do I will make a motion I'll
[1:06:06] make a motion to apply for the grant and
[1:06:09] I would second have a motion and a
[1:06:12] second any other discussion well I think
[1:06:15] my concerns have been uh heard and if
[1:06:19] you to to to quote Benjamin Franklin
[1:06:21] you've got a republic if you can keep it
[1:06:24] and to bring It Forward you got a zoning
[1:06:26] bylaw If you defend it but I'm going to
[1:06:29] vote for Bill's uh
[1:06:32] motion with that said um any other
[1:06:36] discussion just to cover our basis on
[1:06:38] this I'll go for a roll call vote Mr
[1:06:40] dwire yes Mr Mr Dunn yes Mr
[1:06:47] sari yes Mr
[1:06:50] zagrodnik
[1:06:53] Obin okay Mr maximos yes v motion passes
[1:06:58] 4 Z one
[1:07:03] exension on what grounds is the
[1:07:06] abstaining oh yeah can I just email you
[1:07:09] that with a signature listening to me
[1:07:11] Mike when I was giving my speech so um I
[1:07:15] yeah I think that there are um
[1:07:17] directions I think you have to include
[1:07:19] the executive director it should be
[1:07:20] directed to her um and then there's
[1:07:24] additional copy lines but you can
[1:07:25] definitely copy me on that okay okay
[1:07:29] I'll um I'll get you the application
[1:07:31] tonight if you can sign it and either
[1:07:33] electronically or Inc and scan it back
[1:07:36] to me I'll get it in okay all
[1:07:42] right when would you like to come back
[1:07:47] pvpc we do have we traditionally been
[1:07:51] trying to do the first Tuesday for
[1:07:54] planning but that's January
[1:07:56] 2nd uh coming off of uh a holiday week
[1:08:02] basically
[1:08:04] um and we do have a public hearing
[1:08:07] schedule the same one the garden center
[1:08:09] gentleman uh was continued to that we do
[1:08:13] have a public hearing on the 19 uh 16th
[1:08:16] as well that is for a very small
[1:08:19] subdivision uh that probably is not
[1:08:22] going to be
[1:08:25] much of an issue because the the abutter
[1:08:27] next door himself is the beneficiary of
[1:08:30] a very small subdivision a few years ago
[1:08:33] so um I don't anticipate that that's
[1:08:36] going to be a hot
[1:08:38] night uh so does the 16th work or would
[1:08:42] you like to hold on to the
[1:08:49] second
[1:08:51] um I think between Kyle and I if we're
[1:08:55] considering
[1:08:57] um the rules and Rags Kyle probably
[1:09:01] would be the the mo he's the one that's
[1:09:03] working the closest on it um and I think
[1:09:06] he may be available but I think if
[1:09:09] anything um it may just be him um but
[1:09:14] that probably would make sense to do the
[1:09:15] 16th if Kyle's
[1:09:17] available that does work for me so I'll
[1:09:20] plan on the
[1:09:21] 16th and would we
[1:09:24] be likely at that point to know the
[1:09:27] outcome of the DTA grants that's a good
[1:09:30] question um I'm hoping so because the
[1:09:34] intention of creating the process before
[1:09:36] the new year is that we would be able to
[1:09:39] move um a lot sooner rather than
[1:09:42] mid-march which has been typically the
[1:09:44] time that we've started DTA projects so
[1:09:48] I'm hoping by that time we would have um
[1:09:51] knowledge of the projects that were
[1:09:53] chosen
[1:09:54] okay so if we are successful that'll
[1:09:57] give us a chance to do some planning for
[1:10:00] that as well
[1:10:05] sure
[1:10:08] okay um I don't see anything
[1:10:12] else um Tom
[1:10:16] quinland any any drainage
[1:10:22] issues the never sto but we're working
[1:10:25] on him
[1:10:27] okay
[1:10:31] thanks all
[1:10:33] right I've got nothing
[1:10:37] else anybody else have anything I have
[1:10:40] nothing else all right motion to adjourn
[1:10:44] so move seconded all favor I I beus
[1:10:50] history thank you Ken thank you Kyle and
[1:10:53] thank you good
[1:11:01] night