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Good evening. Today's. Today's date. July 3,

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2025. Town of the process 07:12 p.m. we'll call the

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Hayne City commission meeting to order at this. Time. We'll

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have our invocation. I see Pastor baby back there to

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you. Minister invocation. And remain standing for our pledge of

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allegiance. You can come up to the front, too. He

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doesn't find us.

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Father God, we do come before you, and we thank

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you for tonight. We thank you for life. Health and

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strength. Thank you for just waking up up this morning.

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As we come before you, we do ask for your

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wisdom. Or guidance. Knowledge and understanding and all that we

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do. We pray for our city. Pray for our city

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leaders. You endow them with your knowledge, wisdom and understanding.

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Do you be all the praise and all the glory

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in Jesus name every heart. Say, man. Standing for the

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pleasure.

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Thank you so much, pastor. Before we start this meeting,

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I want to yield over to our city attorney, who

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want to make a couple of comments and then I'll

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reconvene to me. I made a couple of comments before

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the CRA meeting, and I'm going to say the same

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thing, and I'm going to say it very as quickly

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as I possibly can. Just for the folks in the

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audience. The commissioners and city manager and clerk and I

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all have hard jobs up here. It's hard to say

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who has the toughest job. City commission supposed to be

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making. The policy decisions. And that is very challenging. If

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you saw the CRA meeting, there's a lot that goes

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into setting the policy. I at times feel like I

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have a very difficult job because. My job at times

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requires me to tell the city commissioners no. It's always

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for a structured. Ethical reason. But.

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I do that? They get mad at me, and I

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understand why. But there's times I still have to say

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no. That's the first point. Second point is. It's important

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that. The city commissioners and the city staff and myself

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and everybody else in the organization. Stay in their respective

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lanes because. That is what our charter requires. And if

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people get out of their lanes, then. It really falls

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to me to say something about. It. And the third

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thing is. Just a reciprocal request, and that is that

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if there's an issue that comes up, I would appreciate

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it if the staff or the city commissioners call me

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and discuss it with me. Because. I see an issue

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that I think they need to be aware of, I

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do call them so. Those were the points I made

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earlier, and I wanted to make them again now. We

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have a very long meeting ahead of us. And quite

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a few very important things. To get accomplished. And Mayor

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west has always talked in terms of, this is a

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business meeting, and we need to conduct it as a

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business meeting. I know one of the first items. I

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want to make a few more comments. When that comes

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up, but. I will yield back to the mayor. Thank

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you, council. Exactly right for the state. For our council

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member. That's on the day as. Remember, this is a

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business meeting, so. If there's any comments question that you

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need to answer, we probably should have reached out. To

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the city manager or city attorney or the city clerk.

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Let's try to keep this meeting as business as possible

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and get out of here in a reasonable time. Maybe

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like 830, but we can. Love. Stream. He loves streaming.

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So at this time, we're going to continue with this.

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We got a presentation in front. Of us, boys and

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girls for proclamation week for proclamation. So thank you, Mr.

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Mayor. The next proclamations that I'm going to read. For

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our June meeting, but as you know, it was canceled.

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Due to some scheduling conflicts, but we still want to

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make sure that we honor these so the first one

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is. Whereas the Boys and Girls Club of Pope county

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is at the forefront of youth development and serves as

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a haven and opportunity hub for all young people, especially

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those who need us. Most. And whereas the Boys and

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Girls Club of Pope county recognizes that the health, well

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being and future success of our children. Is a shared

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community responsibility, and whereas children's abilities, confidence and aspirations can

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be nurtured through supportive programs and positive environments that. Prepare

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them to thrive physically, emotionally and professionally. And whereas the

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boys and girls Club of Poke county helps ensure that

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our young people have access to resources, offering them a

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safe and supportive place to go and providing them with

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quality programs. And whereas the boys and Girls Club of

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Pope county will celebrate national Boys and Girls Club a

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week 2000 and. 25, along with some 3000 other clubs

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and more than 4 million young people worldwide. In an

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effort to promote great futures for our youth. So now,

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therefore, I, Morrison west, mayor of the city of Haynes

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City do proclaim the week of June 23 through the

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27th. That was boys and girls. Club week in the

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city of Hayden city, and we call on all our

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c. Citizens to join in recognizing and commending the Boys

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and Girls Club of Pope county for providing comprehensive, high

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quality services to the young people of this community. And

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we have here to set our hand and cost the

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seal of the city of Hayne City to be affixed

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this day, and I just want to say that the

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boys and girls club did come and make a visit

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to city hall and. They had made some lovely bags

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to give to a lot of directors. That were here

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in city hall. I took them on a tour and

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went throughout the whole building. And it was really nice

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to see them, along with the director, Curtis Reddick, and

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a couple of interns and stuff like that. And so

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Curtis was unable to be here because he's with the

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boys and girls club. On a trip, so they're out

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doing something. But I understand that there's supposed to be

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someone here to accept this proclamation.

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No, we just really appreciate this. Thank you for your

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support. Thank you. I think we have just right around

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100 kids for the summer program. Hot and heavy in

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it. They're off this. Week for the fourth July weekend.

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But you guys are truly making an impact on the

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kids here. In Hayne City, and we definitely appreciate it.

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Thank you. Thank you. The next one that I'll be

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reading is for Juneteen th freedom day and I want

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to specifically state here that we're doing something special this

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year where we will acknowledge Juneteenth, which we know is

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on June 19. And then I have a special acknowledgment

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that I will read in a separate proclamation, but this

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one. Is. Whereas for 158 years, June 10 day continues

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to be the most recognized african american holiday observance in

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the United States, also known as Emancipation Day, Emancipation celebration,

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Freedom Day. June, June, Juneteen th Independence Day and juneteen

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th juneteen th national Freedom Day commemorates the survival due

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to God. Given strength and determination of African Americans, whereas

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approximately eleven and a half million African Americans survived the

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voyage to the new world. The number that died is

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likely greater only to be subjected to the tearing part

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of families and forced to submit to slavery for more

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than over 200 years after arrival. In the United States

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and. Whereas Juneteenth commemorates the day freedom was proclaimed to

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all enslaved in the south by major Emery and the

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United States Colored Troops posted general order number three on

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June 19, 1865 on Reed Chapel AME Church in Galveston,

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Texas, more than two and a half years after the

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signing of the emancip. Emancipation proclamation by President Abraham Lincoln.

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And whereas, until we are free, all are free, none

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are free. Is an off repeated maxim that can be

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used to highlight the significance of the end of the

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era of slavery in the United States. And whereas in

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1991, Representative also J. Reddick senior of Orlando authored the.

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Legislation for the state of Florida's Juneteenth observance, which was

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signed into law by Florida governor Lawton child in May

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1991. And whereas in 1973, as an undergraduate student in

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Texas, Doris Moore Bailey, was first introduced to Juneteenth during

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a horseback trail. Ride in June 1992. The Juneteenth committee,

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founded by Mrs. Moore Bailey, organized the first Juneteenth observance

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in Florida. And whereas the 19 June along with the

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4 July completes the cycle of freedom for America's Independence

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Day observances. And whereas on July 2, 2022 the city

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commission approved. Resolution number 201479, naming June 19 as Juneteenth

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Independence Day in the city. Of Hayne city and then

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later renamed the date of celebration from Juneteenth independence. Day

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to Juneteenth Freedom Day. So now, therefore, I, Morris L.

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West, the mayor of the city of Hayne city do

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proclaim Jun. June 19, 2025, as Juneteenth Freedom Day in

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the city of Haynes city and we urge all public

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officials, educators, librarians and all the residents in Hayne City

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to observe the month with appropriate programs and ceremonies and

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activities, and we set our hand in seal to the

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city of Hayne City. And for those of you that

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might remember, we had an amazing. Gala event I attended.

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I know a lot of our elected officials and probably

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some people out here. In the audience. And that's what

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this proclamation is for. We have a great committee that

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puts together a wonderful program. And hopefully it will just

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continue to grow bigger and bigger each year. She's going

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to accept.

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Thank you so much. In order for us to have

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an amazing gala in order for us to have an

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amazing June team festival. It takes a collaborative effort. And

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that's a yes from the commissioners. That's. A yes from

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the mayor. I told the sound engineer that we had

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for the festival that. We couldn't do it without your.

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Yes. And so again, thank you, city of Hayne. City.

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Thank you. Parks and recreation. Terrell and his team, anything

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that we needed, they did not. Say no. They graciously

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did it for us, and we thank you. This is

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only the fourth year, so we hopefully, definitely get better.

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On behalf of my Aunt Cynthia Downing, who's the president

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of our Handson June 10 coalition. We will have to

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accept this proclamation and thank you so much for acknowledging

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us. Thank you. So the last one, Mr. Mayor, this

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one is a little bit special. So this is, we

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have never done this before, but this is important. So

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whereas Juneteenth, which is observed annually, on June 19 to

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commemorates the day in 1865 when Union troops arrived in

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Galveston. Texas to enforce the emancipation Proclamation, ensure the freedom

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of enslaved African Americans, marking a defining moment in american

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history. And whereas in 2019, the city of Haynes city

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began posting major Juneteen th celebrations led by community leader

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Betty White, along with the northeast community. Revitalization group with

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strong support of Commissioner Kim Downing, the Northeast Rattlers and

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the King's Lodge 48. These vibrant events, known as. Be

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out day were embraced by the community as a celebration

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of freedom, unity and empowerment. And whereas the Haynes City

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Commission and our very own mayor, Morris west enthusiastically supported

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these celebrations, recognizing the importance of Juneteenth as part of

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the city's cultural identity and historical awareness and whereas in

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2020, under the. Leadership of Mayor Morris West, Haynes City

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became the first municipality in Polk county to officially designate

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Juneteenth as a paid holiday for the city employees setting

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that example, and that has since been followed by other

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cities in the region. And whereas the city of Haynes

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city remains committed to recogn. Recognizing and uplifting the values

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of freedom, inclusion, and community pride that Juneteenth represents. So

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now, therefore, I, Morris west, mayor of the city of

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Haynes city, along with the city commission, we are also

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proclaiming June 19, 2025, as juneteenth, a celebration of freedom.

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And we want to acknowledge these. Key residents and other

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people who have had. A really great hand in making

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sure that this holiday is not forgotten, that the lessons

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are learned. That the history is restored. The mayor didn't

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want any attention, but tag your it here. Is the

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attention. And Commissioner Downing is going to accept this proclamation

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as she was part of. The Northeast revitalization group, if

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I have that correctly, so that we can put this

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into the record, so. Let's all give a rounding applause

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to our mayor, because I, as an employee as well.

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As all the other employees who are able to get

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this because he led the charge in making sure it

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was a paid holiday. Thank you so much, but I

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don't take credit for this because it was five commissioners.

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At the time. So. I brought it to this commission,

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to the. And they follow suit and believed in me

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and what I had to say to get this a

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holiday. So I just want to thank to all the

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commissioners at the time that some fit that this was

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a very important day to celebrate. And now each and

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every city employee gets every year. So thank you to

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the city staff and all the commissions that served beside

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me when I was a mayor in that year to

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make this a holiday. And I just want to go

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on record. She's not here tonight. But I would find

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it robbery if I do not mention her name because.

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The Juneteen th celebration came all about through Shamitia Streeter.

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She first introduced it to northeast revitalization. As an idea.

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As for us to start celebrating. And she added me

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to be her co chair person, so. I wanted to

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just give her her accolades to say if it was

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not. For her forward thinking back in 2019. To be

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the first one to actually bring this as a thought

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to Hayne City. And since 19. We have carried the

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torch, and Mayor west made it official in 2020 for

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the employees to have it as a paid holiday. A

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year before. President Joe Biden made an official federal holiday.

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So I just wanted to give her her accolades. And

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thank her for her forward thinking to even start this

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celebration here in our city. Thank you so

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much. Back to business. The next item on the agenda.

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Side item number five. Sorry. The Anderson versus Philippines in

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the settlement. I'll turn it over to our city attorney

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for some comments on this particular item. Mayor and commissioners.

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Item number five is related to the proposed settlement with

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Erica Anderson in the case which is pending. In federal

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district court for the Middle district. Of Florida. Earlier this

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afternoon, we had a shade meeting. Where? The city. Commission

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met and discussed this case and. Were briefed on the

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case by their legal counsel. The city and Anderson had

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previously filed a joint stipulation of settlement in the case.

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The proposed settlement is contingent on the city commission formally

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approving the settlement. The basic terms of the settlement. I

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want to read to the audience so you know exactly

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what is on the table. The basic terms of the

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settlement are. A the city's insurer would pay a settlement

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and the amount of $550,000 to Anderson. The city would

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be responsible for paying. A deductible of $2,500 to the

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insurer. The parties would pay their own attorney fees. So.

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The plaintiff will pay her attorney and the insurance company.

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That the city has. Will pay the attorneys that litigated

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the case. The only attorney. That isn't getting paid. In

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that manner is me. I get paid for doing my

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normal city attorney. Work. The city. In. Does not admit

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liability. And. When this is finalized. The plaintiff will be

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asked to sign a release concerning all claims against the

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city. In briefing the city commissioners this afternoon, I made

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it clear that until there's been a final disposition of

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the case. I respectfully requested the city commissioners and staff

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refrain from commenting on the pending litigation. And this litigation

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will not be complete until the. Judge. Approves the orders

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of dismissal or an order dismissing the case, which is

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likely to be two to three weeks from now. And

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I know there may be people in the audience that

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want to comment on this case. The narrow issue before.

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The board this evening is whether to approve the settlement

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or not. That's the issue that should be addressed. The

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running through the merits of the case and trying to

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discuss them is not within the scope of what should

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be addressed this evening. So I'm forewarning people that. Is

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to me the ground rules. Citizens may want to comment.

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But please understand. I have is the city attorney have

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advised my client, the five commissioners up here, that I

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highly recommend them not make any comments. And that's me

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being a prudent attorney. And that's me being a disciplined

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attorney and advising my clients. So. I really hope. That.

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Recommendation is understandable to people. I'm sure there will come

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a time where, when the case has been completed where

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the city commissioners may or may not want to make

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a comment, but for tonight. They really shouldn't, and there's

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good legal reason for them not to that's. Where we

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are this evening. And mayor, I will answer any questions.

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That the commission may have. Thank you, Attorney Riley. Just

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a clarification that you do have a right to address

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your government as under the comments. But you direct them

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to the entire body of the commission. Not to one

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individual, commissioner. On the day. So you make sure that

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when you come and you do address us, you address.

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Us entirely. We've been instructed, and you heard from our

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council not to rebuttal. Or say anything, but we will

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take your comments. But at this time, we're going to

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continue with this item. We had shade meeting earlier today,

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and you all heard the comments from the attorneys. From

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our attorney and our adjuster, so we have a right

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to either accept or reject that. Amount that the attorney

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just said to you guys. Ladies and gentlemen. I'm going

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to ask for a motion either to accept or deny

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at this time, then. We'll open it up for public

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comments. Or you want to open, you want to do

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a public comment first. Well, there's a resolution. The request

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would be to ask me to read the. Title, and

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then you would have comments from the board. And then

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you. Do that. With normal. Okay? Yeah. No different. Okay.

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At this time. We're going to ask for introduction of

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this resolution there. Mr. Mayor introduced Anderson versus city of

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Hayne city settlement. Okay. This is resolution number 25 1881.

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A resolution of the city of Hayne city, Florida, providing

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authority to approve the proposed settlement in the litigation case

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of Erica Anderson versus city of Haynes City Florida. And

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providing for an administrative authority, providing for an effective date.

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There was a scribner's. Error in the title and it

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should not reference Anne Huffman. Ann Huffman was dropped from

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the case prior to the trial. Starting. Okay, Dana, comments

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from this? Any comments? Any questions? I have one for

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attorney Ron only. Thank you for that clarification. If you

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would. Explain the fact that there were two cases so

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that they're not combined together. Because most people. That read

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what the plaintiff's attorney had to say. It appeared it

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was one case and not two. Well. I'll say this

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in a legal. Legally scholarly way, which is the way

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I always talk. There was only one case. There were

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multiple counts to the case. There were counts against the

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city. There were counts against you individually. The counts against

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Anne Huffman were disposed of or dismissed prior to the

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case going to trial. So prior to the trial beginning,

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Anne Huffman was no longer a defendant. That's as clear

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as I can make it. Thank you. Any other question?

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Comment from the death. We're going to open it up

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for public comment. Before we catch our votes, anyone from

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the public wishes address the government. Please state your name

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and address for the record. My name is Rebecca Rubio,

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and my address is 1012 series three. In city, Florida.

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33, four floors now. Is it illegal or is it

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against the rules to repost the Facebook post about the

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case? From Fox News because I got a threatening comment

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that said that if I repost it and I keep

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on reposting it to bring awareness to it that I

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was going to get. Legal action against me, so I'm

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just saying. I'm not pointing anybody out. Like you said,

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I gave it to the council, to everybody. Here. But

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I just want to say, is it bad or are

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we not supposed to repost it? Or not bring awareness

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to it. It's that. Trying to silence it, to keep

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it from coming out from the public. We're your attorney.

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Well. That's a different issue than what we're here to

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discuss this evening. The issue that we discussed this evening

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is whether the city commission should approve the settlement or

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not. So you raise an interesting question. I am not

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going to respond to it. Go ahead. Thank you. Anyone

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else from the audience who wish to speak. We're going

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to close it and ask for a motion for approval

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denial. Mr. Mayor, I make a motion to approve the

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settlement for Anderson versus City of Haynes City. We have

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a motion on the floor. Do we have a second?

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I second. We have a motion now. We have a

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second? All in favor? We'll do a rule. Call commission

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Downey. Yay, Mr. Royal. Yeah. Commissioner Huffman.

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Nay, Mr. Smith. And this J for me. So the

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consensus of it here is a yes to what. The

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amount that was settled by the attorney. Do you have

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any other comments? Yes, sir. All right. Thank you so

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much. At this time, we're going to continue with this

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agenda. Next item is public comment. Public comments our city

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clerk should have a list of individuals that actually sign

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the public. Well, this is a first. No one. Jared

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is now here, signed up. So maybe we will get

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out of here early. That's good. Hey, I'm actually worried

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about sharing. Nope. Okay. Thank you for that. Now we'll

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move right along with the consent agenda. Consent agenda? Any

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comments? Questions? Concern about our consent agenda from the day.

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Does anyone have questions? I just had just a request

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for clarification. The 7D. Is that about? The

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dispatchers that we utilize the share department after hours. Okay,

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then I don't have any questions, just for clarification. That's

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been continued. So when we approve the consent agenda, we

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make the motion. We're going to do everything except 70.

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That'll be continued. Yes, sir. Okay, so. At this time,

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I'm going to open it up for public comments. Anyone

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wish to speak? Step fourth to the podium. State your

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name and address for the record in reference to the

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senate. Agenda. I'm going to close it and I. For.

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I make a must approve the consent agenda. With the

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removal. Of seven e resolution number two five. There's 1877.

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We have a motion. Do we have. A second motion.

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And second. All in favor? Aye. All opposed, like sign

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motion, period. Thank you so. Much. Next item. We're going

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to table items, so I need someone to make a

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motion. To table. Continue item eight e until. I don't

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think we have a later date. Insulin. I'm sorry.

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The petitioner has requested, and they continue through July 17.

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Okay? Can we get a motion? May you make a

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motion to remove. Continue item a. Ordinance number 25 210.

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Five. To afford the day or next meeting July 17

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to the July 17 commission. Do we have a second?

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All in favor? Aye. Opposed to? Move our lump from

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the ACB Ordinance number 25 20 114, land development regulation.

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Who's presenting this? Land development recognition. I have old business.

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On the math. There's new business. Yeah. We don't have

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all business. I don't. Have an old business on the

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mine, okay? With this old business here. Should it be

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old business? Yes. Okay. Any changes? Anything? No changes the

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second reading. Okay. All right. Thank you for that. Any

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comments? Question, reference to this item? We're going to open

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up a comment. Anyone wish to speak in reference to

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this item? Please come forth to the podium. State your

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name and address for the record. See you now. Well?

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Introduction. May I enter this order? 25 2114. Ordinance number

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25. Two one 1114. An ordinance of. The city of

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Hane City, Florida, amending the land development regulations of the

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city of Hayne. City, Florida adopting tax amendments to the

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land development regulations of the city by adopting revision. Revisions.

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To chapter five. Zoning, providing for severability, providing for codification,

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repealing ordinances in conflict herewith. And providing for an effective

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date. Move for adoption. Second travel motion and a second

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for adoption. All in favor? Aye. All opposed, like? Them.

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And I'm assuming this now. New business, Richard, for you.

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Yes. Okay. Resolution 20 518. 74 condition of use of

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myth. That's the one you have? Yes. Conditional use amendment.

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If this is a request. To have a conditional use.

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Of beer and wine at 950, Lily. And it was

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requested that I read into the record the conditions of

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approval, and with your permission. I would like to do

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that. One, the approval of the conditioner used does not

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release the applicant from meeting the requirements of all other

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applicable sections of the Hayne City land development regulations, including

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section 22 D regarding conditional uses quota ordinance and growth

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management plan number two. Violations of any conditions of approval

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shall be deemed a violation of the land development regulations

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and shall give rise to the city's right to cancel

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the conditional use on 30 days. Advanced written notice number

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three. The applicant shall be required to comply with all

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applicable Han city sign regulations. Specifically, section 7.4.10. Central business

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district permitted sign. Number four. The signage must comply with

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the 2023 Florida Building code, 8th edition. For the current

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code at the time of permitting. Five. This conditional use

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permit shall expire in three years from the date of

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the resolution. Six. The city shall have the right to

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review and consider the conditional. Permit annually to determine if

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there's been any issues with compatibility or violations. Seven. Beer

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and wine shall only be sold during the hours of

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06:00 p.m. and 11:00 p.m. monday through Friday and 02:00

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p.m. 11:00 p.m. on Saturday and from 02:00 p.m. To

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09:00 p.m. on Sunday. Eight. No offspring parking required for

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nonresidential uses for start to chapter five, section 5611. Or

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eleven l of the land development regulations. Nine dysconditional use,

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which I'll allow the sail and serving of beer and

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wine from the duly licensed business. Within the building located

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at 950 Lily Avenue, Hayne City, Florida and the conditional

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you shall not allow. The stell of serving beer or

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wine from any mobile vehicle on the property located at

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950 William Avenue City, Florida. And that's all of the

472
00:36:29,820 --> 00:36:33,500
conditions that apply to that is recommending a question for

473
00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:38,283
Richard in reference this item. Yes, I do. When we

474
00:36:38,283 --> 00:36:48,167
had our conversation with your staff earlier, Mr. Greenwood. It

475
00:36:48,167 --> 00:36:52,718
was stated that. They have to go inside of the

476
00:36:52,718 --> 00:36:56,598
building, actual building there, and that's where they purchase. The

477
00:36:56,598 --> 00:37:00,078
beer and wine, but they could come out and sit

478
00:37:00,078 --> 00:37:02,518
in, I guess you will call it. A courtyard and

479
00:37:02,518 --> 00:37:08,162
drink this beer or wine? Is that the case? Okay,

480
00:37:08,162 --> 00:37:13,372
but there is nothing in this resolution that says. That

481
00:37:13,372 --> 00:37:17,734
they can come outside. In that courtyard and drink the

482
00:37:17,734 --> 00:37:21,414
beer and wine because we have no way of knowing

483
00:37:21,414 --> 00:37:23,814
whether that beer and wine came from a mobile food

484
00:37:23,814 --> 00:37:28,519
truck, or if it came from the inside. I think

485
00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:31,079
this city staff will have to monitor that to make

486
00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:34,679
sure that doesn't, but. Number nine is the one that

487
00:37:34,679 --> 00:37:39,733
I'm really concerned about. And. My other question is, who

488
00:37:39,733 --> 00:37:46,719
actually owns this property? Because. I know it changed a

489
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,639
couple of times there, so I just want to know

490
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:55,406
who actually owns it. As far as I'm aware. I

491
00:37:55,406 --> 00:38:00,096
think we have a representative here, Richard. My name is

492
00:38:00,096 --> 00:38:03,856
Jonathan Rodriguez. My wife and I are. The. State your

493
00:38:03,856 --> 00:38:10,901
name and address for Jonathan. Rodriguez. Florida. 338444. Me, my

494
00:38:10,901 --> 00:38:13,421
wife and I are the owners of NYP Lilly. We

495
00:38:13,421 --> 00:38:17,421
purchased the property, I believe in 2017, with all the

496
00:38:17,421 --> 00:38:22,210
times. Okay. And the name that's in the original resolution

497
00:38:22,210 --> 00:38:26,810
is not Rodriguez Maritza. That's. My wife's name. She doesn't

498
00:38:26,810 --> 00:38:27,450
have my last name.

499
00:38:40,129 --> 00:38:46,505
Marissa. Lily avenue, florida. So, Mr. Greenwood, who's going to

500
00:38:46,505 --> 00:38:49,825
be signing because her name is the one that signing.

501
00:38:49,825 --> 00:38:54,368
Off on this conditional use agreement. But they both own

502
00:38:54,368 --> 00:38:59,761
it. I just want to make sure that the city

503
00:38:59,761 --> 00:39:02,801
is going to be well protected. And what you all

504
00:39:02,801 --> 00:39:05,980
are trying to do. I remember several months back when

505
00:39:05,980 --> 00:39:09,660
you were trying to make it the Hayne City distillery.

506
00:39:11,404 --> 00:39:13,897
And. You were going to, I believe, some type of

507
00:39:13,897 --> 00:39:19,818
infusion of alcohol. Into ice cream. Well, we were trying

508
00:39:19,818 --> 00:39:21,738
to, but we did get all our licensing for the

509
00:39:21,738 --> 00:39:26,018
distillery through the state. And PTV, but unfortunately, the partnership

510
00:39:26,018 --> 00:39:30,227
fell apart before. We got approval through zoning through the

511
00:39:30,227 --> 00:39:36,578
state. Right. Going through a process with the health department.

512
00:39:38,452 --> 00:39:41,892
Well, let me finish, sir. The point that I'm making

513
00:39:41,892 --> 00:39:48,055
is that. Serving alcohol in any type of form next

514
00:39:48,055 --> 00:39:56,737
to a daycare. Pre K school. I just frown on

515
00:39:56,737 --> 00:40:01,296
that. I don't think that. That's the ideal location. And

516
00:40:01,296 --> 00:40:06,013
I know about. The land development regulation change that we

517
00:40:06,013 --> 00:40:09,213
made, but we did a certain footage away from it.

518
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,460
So. Those are my question that you can certainly email

519
00:40:14,460 --> 00:40:17,860
to me. I want to know who signing the conditional

520
00:40:17,860 --> 00:40:22,814
use agreement so that if we have an issue. Or

521
00:40:22,814 --> 00:40:24,814
will you have that with my wife? But I also

522
00:40:24,814 --> 00:40:29,113
own it too. Thank you. In regards to. I'm done,

523
00:40:29,113 --> 00:40:34,424
sir. Thank you. In regards to the daycare, I actually

524
00:40:34,424 --> 00:40:38,266
had a meeting. With each, okay? I also had a

525
00:40:38,266 --> 00:40:42,196
meeting with Edisbie, one of the daycare owners. And she

526
00:40:42,196 --> 00:40:44,436
addressed some concerns, and I addressed those concerns on the

527
00:40:44,436 --> 00:40:49,556
conditional youth. So that's why we're opening after their operational

528
00:40:49,556 --> 00:40:51,996
hours, so it doesn't conflict with the date. Right. And

529
00:40:51,996 --> 00:40:53,516
thank you for that. Thank you all for your comments.

530
00:40:55,036 --> 00:40:56,236
From looking at the back of the hours of operation.

531
00:40:58,182 --> 00:40:59,942
It's when the hours of operation is after the closing

532
00:40:59,942 --> 00:41:02,742
of the daycare only, and. That's what I'm looking at

533
00:41:02,742 --> 00:41:06,376
as well. And then it appears to be, according to

534
00:41:06,376 --> 00:41:13,261
my backup here, it says Ms. Brasscon. Is requesting. That

535
00:41:13,261 --> 00:41:14,661
will be your wife. That's my wife. It's a requesting

536
00:41:14,661 --> 00:41:16,621
the condition of. You. So she is the one that

537
00:41:16,621 --> 00:41:18,781
requires. She is on the deed of the property, I

538
00:41:18,781 --> 00:41:20,261
say. Me and my wife on the owners because I'm

539
00:41:20,261 --> 00:41:24,303
married to her legally, but. Her name is on the

540
00:41:24,303 --> 00:41:28,223
deed alone she would be signing. Yes, and I would

541
00:41:28,223 --> 00:41:30,023
have an issue. If it was being sold during the

542
00:41:30,023 --> 00:41:33,463
same hours while operation as a daycare center sitting next

543
00:41:33,463 --> 00:41:35,703
to you, but it appears that there's a sale of

544
00:41:35,703 --> 00:41:38,663
alcoholic beer and wine is going to be after hours

545
00:41:38,663 --> 00:41:40,743
and after the day. And can I make one more

546
00:41:40,743 --> 00:41:44,261
comment on that aspect? Now this. Is not per se.

547
00:41:45,362 --> 00:41:47,552
It's not going to be a bar. I don't know

548
00:41:47,552 --> 00:41:49,592
if you ever seen those tap rooms where you serve

549
00:41:49,592 --> 00:41:51,912
your own beer. They give you a card, there's led

550
00:41:51,912 --> 00:41:55,192
screens, and those cards are limited to customers on how

551
00:41:55,192 --> 00:41:58,312
many ounces they can be served. So once a customer

552
00:41:58,312 --> 00:42:00,352
serves a certain amount of outs, they'll cut them off.

553
00:42:00,352 --> 00:42:05,159
Okay, so it's a self tap that allows. The owner

554
00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:10,591
to control how much consumption, and it's craft beer. It's

555
00:42:10,591 --> 00:42:13,355
just the complement to food. It's not like someone's going

556
00:42:13,355 --> 00:42:16,355
to go out there and get drop off of these

557
00:42:16,355 --> 00:42:19,767
beers, they're a little more expensive in price. But it's

558
00:42:19,767 --> 00:42:22,447
just kind of like just to complement the food. And

559
00:42:22,447 --> 00:42:26,534
our location is a family friendly environment. Okay, well, thank

560
00:42:26,534 --> 00:42:31,934
you for your comments coming from the dance here. Got

561
00:42:31,934 --> 00:42:34,612
a quick one. In reference to adequate being close to

562
00:42:34,612 --> 00:42:38,325
it, I don't think. That's for what we have done

563
00:42:38,325 --> 00:42:44,561
before. I don't think. That's. Valid. Way of not to

564
00:42:44,561 --> 00:42:47,161
approve it. I mean, we have one right down the

565
00:42:47,161 --> 00:42:52,427
street. Is right next to a special needs school. And

566
00:42:52,427 --> 00:42:54,387
then there is another daycare across the street. On the

567
00:42:54,387 --> 00:42:58,507
big building. So I think that shouldn't be an issue

568
00:42:58,507 --> 00:43:01,603
because we have done it before. All right. Thank you.

569
00:43:02,891 --> 00:43:04,411
Anyone else? No question. This time we're going to open

570
00:43:04,411 --> 00:43:07,491
it up. Public comments. Anyone from the public wish to

571
00:43:07,491 --> 00:43:09,971
speak in reference to this item, please step forward. State

572
00:43:09,971 --> 00:43:13,811
your name and address. For the record. Then I'm going

573
00:43:13,811 --> 00:43:18,637
to close it. And ask for introduction of this resolution.

574
00:43:18,637 --> 00:43:27,717
Mr. Mayor, introduce resolution number 251874, resolution number 251874, a

575
00:43:27,717 --> 00:43:30,877
resolution of the city of Haynes City, Florida, granting a

576
00:43:30,877 --> 00:43:34,197
conditional use to permit the sale and serving of beer

577
00:43:34,197 --> 00:43:39,006
and wine at the. Hayne City Food Park, 950 Lily

578
00:43:39,006 --> 00:43:43,446
Avenue in Ain City, Florida. Setting forth conditions, providing for

579
00:43:43,446 --> 00:43:47,606
findings providing for recording in the public records and providing

580
00:43:47,606 --> 00:43:50,846
for an effective date to approve. Second, we have a

581
00:43:50,846 --> 00:43:53,246
motion. Now we have a second. All in favor? Aye.

582
00:43:53,246 --> 00:43:57,979
All opposed? Nay. Motion carries. Next item is going to

583
00:43:57,979 --> 00:44:04,416
be. Resolution 20 518 76. Legal service contract.

584
00:44:07,774 --> 00:44:09,774
On the p file. I'll yield back to our attorney.

585
00:44:11,653 --> 00:44:13,333
Give me just a second. Let me get to the

586
00:44:13,333 --> 00:44:23,116
right. Okay. This

587
00:44:23,116 --> 00:44:29,196
is resolution number 25. 1876. Last fall, the city commission

588
00:44:29,196 --> 00:44:37,483
approved. A contract with the Napoleon firm to do. The

589
00:44:37,483 --> 00:44:43,668
help us with the litigation. Claim related to the. PFAS

590
00:44:43,668 --> 00:44:49,146
is the forever chemical. The attorney. That I was working

591
00:44:49,146 --> 00:44:52,946
with primarily and have been working with ever since, is

592
00:44:52,946 --> 00:44:57,586
named David Grossman. And Napole is one of the firms

593
00:44:57,586 --> 00:45:01,646
he was working with. Napoleon was not as receptive or

594
00:45:01,646 --> 00:45:08,875
responsive as David would have liked. And over time. We

595
00:45:08,875 --> 00:45:12,199
really didn't make any progress. And we have since started.

596
00:45:14,101 --> 00:45:17,781
The testing procedure. James Keane has been very helpful in

597
00:45:17,781 --> 00:45:22,101
the process. I've kept city manage. Manager Linsky up to

598
00:45:22,101 --> 00:45:27,544
date on it. James and I have. And deputy city

599
00:45:27,544 --> 00:45:32,104
manager Stewart is also aware of what is going on

600
00:45:32,104 --> 00:45:36,504
with the testing process. Having said all that. The purpose

601
00:45:36,504 --> 00:45:41,565
of this agenda item is. To simply do house cleaning

602
00:45:41,565 --> 00:45:45,365
or housekeeping. Item to make sure that the farm that.

603
00:45:46,732 --> 00:45:51,492
Is authorized to represent Hayne City. And pursuing this claim

604
00:45:51,492 --> 00:45:55,820
is. The correct. Form. So the correct form would be.

605
00:45:57,370 --> 00:46:03,014
Grossman and kelly llp. And this is a very simple,

606
00:46:03,014 --> 00:46:08,651
straightforward. Resolution in that respect. All the terms of the

607
00:46:08,651 --> 00:46:13,411
contract remain the same. And as I've said, they've already

608
00:46:13,411 --> 00:46:19,813
started the process of getting. The testing data and starting

609
00:46:19,813 --> 00:46:24,212
to get the information so that. We can submit a

610
00:46:24,212 --> 00:46:26,412
claim on behalf of the city. All right. Thank you.

611
00:46:26,412 --> 00:46:30,053
Turner. Riley, any question? In reference to p five. Yeah.

612
00:46:30,053 --> 00:46:34,890
Quick one. So there is no cost for us. They

613
00:46:34,890 --> 00:46:38,290
only get money if they recoup some money. Tony Riley

614
00:46:38,290 --> 00:46:44,327
or how. That's correct. It's a mass tort case. These

615
00:46:44,327 --> 00:46:48,567
type of cases are all in federal court, and we

616
00:46:48,567 --> 00:46:52,235
don't have to litigate. It. We're just being part of

617
00:46:52,235 --> 00:46:56,056
it. So there's a claim fund. Funds set up and

618
00:46:56,056 --> 00:47:01,428
if we are eligible. Based on? What you have to

619
00:47:01,428 --> 00:47:05,308
submit for a claim. Then Payne City will receive a

620
00:47:05,308 --> 00:47:07,948
payout, and then. The attorney gets pay out of debt.

621
00:47:07,948 --> 00:47:12,548
That's incorrect. Thank you, Hayne. City does not. Owe Napoleon

622
00:47:12,548 --> 00:47:16,888
anything. At this point. And nor will there ever be

623
00:47:16,888 --> 00:47:22,170
a bill. Unless they get some. No Napoleon. The previous

624
00:47:22,170 --> 00:47:25,730
one, the company that didn't really follow up with us.

625
00:47:27,216 --> 00:47:28,376
Just for the record, I just want to put it

626
00:47:28,376 --> 00:47:30,176
on record that our water is safe to drink. And

627
00:47:30,176 --> 00:47:33,016
I know you understand. We said pfos. He mentioned James

628
00:47:33,016 --> 00:47:36,176
King in the water. But I ordered the drink is

629
00:47:36,176 --> 00:47:38,976
treated pfoson found not only in the water system, they

630
00:47:38,976 --> 00:47:42,016
all send your clothes in your hair. But it is

631
00:47:42,016 --> 00:47:43,376
safe to drink, and I want to make sure that

632
00:47:43,376 --> 00:47:49,526
the citizens understand that. Pfas is like, forever plastic. Laid

633
00:47:49,526 --> 00:47:54,696
out the questions, comments to the attorney. Okay. At this

634
00:47:54,696 --> 00:47:58,656
time, please try to introduce this resolution. Let me open

635
00:47:58,656 --> 00:48:01,376
it up for public comment. Sorry. Anyone from the public

636
00:48:01,376 --> 00:48:03,816
which speaks forth to the podium, state your name and

637
00:48:03,816 --> 00:48:13,087
address. For the record. Mr. Mayor introduced resolution number 251876,

638
00:48:13,087 --> 00:48:18,007
resolution number 251876, a resolution of the city of Hayne

639
00:48:18,007 --> 00:48:24,288
City, Florida, providing for a legal service contract. With Grossman

640
00:48:24,288 --> 00:48:30,048
and Kelly LLP concerning PFAS litigation, providing for findings, providing

641
00:48:30,048 --> 00:48:34,888
authority to ratify, execute and delivery of the legal services

642
00:48:34,888 --> 00:48:40,093
contract, providing for certain authority and providing an effective. Date.

643
00:48:41,009 --> 00:48:46,673
Do I have a second? All in favor? Aye. All

644
00:48:46,673 --> 00:48:54,381
the opposed? All right, motion pass. Are we going to

645
00:48:54,381 --> 00:48:56,654
move right along to. Eight e. It's going to be

646
00:48:56,654 --> 00:49:02,454
resolution number 25 1878. Legal services contract for insulin price.

647
00:49:02,454 --> 00:49:05,574
Fixing litigation claim. That's going to be our attorney, Mr.

648
00:49:05,574 --> 00:49:10,367
Riley. Thank you, vice mayor. This is a completely new

649
00:49:10,367 --> 00:49:15,087
situation. Although it's parallel to the PFAS situation, this is

650
00:49:15,087 --> 00:49:24,006
a master claim and. Over time. Has been insulin price

651
00:49:24,006 --> 00:49:31,574
fixing. That litigation that's been ongoing. If the city has

652
00:49:31,574 --> 00:49:35,494
a claim, we will go through these steps necessary to

653
00:49:35,494 --> 00:49:40,265
determine if the city is eligible. To pursue a claim.

654
00:49:40,265 --> 00:49:45,457
If so, we will go forward. Attorney David Grossman. His

655
00:49:45,457 --> 00:49:51,107
home is the one that would pursue it. And. If

656
00:49:51,107 --> 00:49:54,827
we don't have a claim, then there's absolutely nothing the

657
00:49:54,827 --> 00:49:58,547
city doesn't. Owe anybody anything. If there is a claim

658
00:49:58,547 --> 00:50:03,053
that it's a typical mass tort, He gets a third

659
00:50:03,053 --> 00:50:09,765
of what the recovery is and. This is one. I

660
00:50:09,765 --> 00:50:13,051
don't know. Whether the city. This one. I'm not assured.

661
00:50:13,051 --> 00:50:17,011
That city may have a claim, but it's one that,

662
00:50:17,011 --> 00:50:21,691
in talking through city manager with city manager Alinsky, this

663
00:50:21,691 --> 00:50:27,396
was one that. I felt strongly enough in that. There

664
00:50:27,396 --> 00:50:33,036
is the prospect of us getting a recovery, because out

665
00:50:33,036 --> 00:50:37,596
of every 100 people, there's four or five that have

666
00:50:37,596 --> 00:50:45,099
get insulin, and over a 20 year period that. Is

667
00:50:45,099 --> 00:50:47,099
a lot of money. If you were paying a higher

668
00:50:47,099 --> 00:50:50,019
amount than it should out the money. Would not go

669
00:50:50,019 --> 00:50:54,473
to the individual, it would go to. The city. And.

670
00:50:55,525 --> 00:50:58,165
The people using it would have been city employees, so.

671
00:50:59,888 --> 00:51:04,952
If there was. Today, there's 400 employees. There's probably. 15

672
00:51:04,952 --> 00:51:07,912
to 20 people that get insulin, and that's who we're

673
00:51:07,912 --> 00:51:13,742
pursuing this for. Okay. So do you have any questions,

674
00:51:13,742 --> 00:51:20,822
any question for the attorney? Yes. Attorney Riley. Am I?

675
00:51:23,019 --> 00:51:30,357
Exempt. Is all in my name. Well. You would not

676
00:51:30,357 --> 00:51:35,797
be. The one. You're not going to be a plaintiff

677
00:51:35,797 --> 00:51:41,649
in this. I'm not a city employee. No, I didn't

678
00:51:41,649 --> 00:51:43,639
say that, okay. I said you aren't going to be

679
00:51:43,639 --> 00:51:50,447
a plaintiff. The city pays insurance, and that's where the

680
00:51:50,447 --> 00:51:55,760
city got. Short. If the city does indeed have a

681
00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:00,266
claim. Well, thank you. That exempts me because I don't

682
00:52:00,266 --> 00:52:07,564
use the city's insurance. Any other question? Open it up

683
00:52:07,564 --> 00:52:09,964
for comments. Anyone from the public wish to speak in

684
00:52:09,964 --> 00:52:11,844
reference to this item, come. To the podium. State your

685
00:52:11,844 --> 00:52:19,023
name and address. For introduction. May I introduce resolution number

686
00:52:19,023 --> 00:52:25,650
25 1878. Resolution number 25 1878, a resolution of the

687
00:52:25,650 --> 00:52:29,450
city of Hayne City, Florida, providing for illegal services contract

688
00:52:29,450 --> 00:52:35,410
with Grossman and Kelly LLP concerting insulin price fixing litigation,

689
00:52:35,410 --> 00:52:39,850
providing for findings, providing authority to ratify and delivery of

690
00:52:39,850 --> 00:52:44,341
the legal services contract provid. Providing for general authority and

691
00:52:44,341 --> 00:52:48,781
providing an effective date. Hope to approve second motion. Second.

692
00:52:48,781 --> 00:52:52,935
All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Same time. Next item

693
00:52:52,935 --> 00:52:59,271
is resolution 25 83. Good evening, mayor. Vice mayor, commissioners

694
00:52:59,271 --> 00:53:02,191
is Omart Hayes, who's finance director the next two resolutions

695
00:53:02,191 --> 00:53:05,711
are for our non abalome assessments, the first one being

696
00:53:05,711 --> 00:53:09,391
the fire assessment fee. Again, staff has worked with attorney

697
00:53:09,391 --> 00:53:13,191
Riley as well as attorney Mark Lawson. City administration the

698
00:53:13,191 --> 00:53:17,563
proposed resolution in front of you is to maintain. The

699
00:53:17,563 --> 00:53:22,179
fire assessment as. Is again, there's a two tier structure

700
00:53:22,179 --> 00:53:25,470
to the current assessment. Eighty five cents per thousand. Dollars.

701
00:53:26,465 --> 00:53:30,385
Of value improvements and then a 139 point. 93 cent

702
00:53:30,385 --> 00:53:35,665
tier two, plus a $5 collection b. That's on there.

703
00:53:35,665 --> 00:53:38,665
The estimated revenue? Coming from this fire assessment this year

704
00:53:38,665 --> 00:53:43,150
is estimated to be around $5.5 million. Mark Lawson is

705
00:53:43,150 --> 00:53:46,590
here to answer any questions that may you guys may

706
00:53:46,590 --> 00:53:51,383
have pertaining to the non affirmative assessment. Question from this

707
00:53:51,383 --> 00:53:55,356
debt in reference to this item. No. Here. Yes, Mr.

708
00:53:55,356 --> 00:54:03,483
Mayor. Thank you. In reference to. The fire assessment fee.

709
00:54:05,354 --> 00:54:08,994
In our last budget meeting, we discussed as far as.

710
00:54:12,012 --> 00:54:17,420
Finally reducing. This amount. We've been collecting this amount from

711
00:54:17,420 --> 00:54:24,168
the residents about maybe twelve plus years now. And. I

712
00:54:24,168 --> 00:54:28,888
am still adamant about reducing this fee and giving our

713
00:54:28,888 --> 00:54:35,048
residents tax cut, if you will. And a break. Because.

714
00:54:36,389 --> 00:54:41,754
We have collected a substantial amount. From this tax. The

715
00:54:41,754 --> 00:54:46,189
fire assessment fee. We have since built the new fire

716
00:54:46,189 --> 00:54:54,728
station. Well, currently in the process of that. And. We

717
00:54:54,728 --> 00:54:59,566
have over, I believe. $4 million currently in there, or

718
00:54:59,566 --> 00:55:03,941
even more. So I want to know as far as,

719
00:55:03,941 --> 00:55:07,022
and I think we did your survey. And it was

720
00:55:07,022 --> 00:55:14,046
ranked at 83%. That the board was in agreeance to

721
00:55:14,046 --> 00:55:19,850
reduce the fire assessment fee, so. I'm definitely looking to

722
00:55:19,850 --> 00:55:28,832
have that portion. Reduce for our residents. Going forward. So

723
00:55:28,832 --> 00:55:34,070
that's my comment as well as my questions. Director Dejesus,

724
00:55:34,070 --> 00:55:36,710
can you tell us as far as what is the

725
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:41,387
total amount that we have collected to date. With this

726
00:55:41,387 --> 00:55:47,071
fire assessment fee. Mr. Mayor and madam, this is a

727
00:55:47,071 --> 00:55:50,870
public hearing and. The order of the public hearing is

728
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:55,021
typically. To present the items and then have the public

729
00:55:55,021 --> 00:55:58,981
hearing and close the public hearing and then have deliberations.

730
00:56:01,047 --> 00:56:03,167
We've gotten a little out of order here. I would

731
00:56:03,167 --> 00:56:06,407
recommend that we go ahead and let those who've come

732
00:56:06,407 --> 00:56:10,001
that one speak. Open the public hearing and close it

733
00:56:10,001 --> 00:56:12,961
and combine the public hearing for both stormwater and fire.

734
00:56:12,961 --> 00:56:17,033
There's a degree of similarity. Being close to public hearing

735
00:56:17,033 --> 00:56:19,513
and then the discussion we just had for the last

736
00:56:19,513 --> 00:56:21,993
three or four. Minutes is a form of deliberation and

737
00:56:21,993 --> 00:56:24,873
discussion on policy and what to do. That would be

738
00:56:24,873 --> 00:56:26,873
the way. I would recommend that you do that, and

739
00:56:26,873 --> 00:56:28,713
I would ask the commission to do it that way.

740
00:56:28,713 --> 00:56:31,033
Well, these are two separate items, so I do not

741
00:56:31,033 --> 00:56:35,033
agree to combine those, too. Yeah, I think because the

742
00:56:35,033 --> 00:56:37,651
way it is, In front of us is two items

743
00:56:37,651 --> 00:56:40,931
is a stormwater assessment, and it's a fire. Assessment. So

744
00:56:40,931 --> 00:56:44,371
normally, the way we do business in Haynes City, we

745
00:56:44,371 --> 00:56:46,051
take care of one item and then we go to

746
00:56:46,051 --> 00:56:48,731
the next item. We don't combine them like that. We

747
00:56:48,731 --> 00:56:50,411
have for 13 years, and I don't do it any

748
00:56:50,411 --> 00:56:51,931
way you want to do it. I want. To help

749
00:56:51,931 --> 00:56:55,878
you get. Normally, then we get the comments from the

750
00:56:55,878 --> 00:56:57,638
dance, and then we'll open it up to cure the

751
00:56:57,638 --> 00:57:00,518
public, and then we'll come back with a final fold.

752
00:57:00,518 --> 00:57:03,398
Mayor west, may I? Speak. Yeah, sure. Let me make

753
00:57:03,398 --> 00:57:11,730
sure. Yes. You recognize? This is Mayor west. Fifth term

754
00:57:11,730 --> 00:57:16,450
as mayor. I think he's experienced enough to know how

755
00:57:16,450 --> 00:57:21,090
he wants to facilitate the agenda. Not you, Mr. Lawson.

756
00:57:21,090 --> 00:57:25,661
I will defer to you. Need to follow his lead

757
00:57:25,661 --> 00:57:29,141
and not treat us and the mayor as if we're

758
00:57:29,141 --> 00:57:33,252
first. Timers and we don't know how. To facilitate an

759
00:57:33,252 --> 00:57:36,372
agenda. I take exception to that. Really? You should apologize.

760
00:57:36,372 --> 00:57:39,412
I apologize right now. Thank you. And I try my

761
00:57:39,412 --> 00:57:44,061
best to help my clients invest my ability. I'm pleased

762
00:57:44,061 --> 00:57:45,901
to do as you wish. Okay, no problem. So we

763
00:57:45,901 --> 00:57:47,501
have no other comments? From the day I said this

764
00:57:47,501 --> 00:57:57,373
time. It seems to me. Omar that.

765
00:57:58,946 --> 00:58:04,761
We should have had this discussion. When. We were talking.

766
00:58:05,553 --> 00:58:13,219
At our budget meeting. Because. As commissioner, downing said. The

767
00:58:13,219 --> 00:58:17,939
survey and the discussion that we had. Was the fact

768
00:58:17,939 --> 00:58:23,875
of reducing. The amount of the fire assessment fee. We

769
00:58:23,875 --> 00:58:27,075
had a lengthy discussion about that in the budget meeting.

770
00:58:28,681 --> 00:58:34,517
And then to see that. You are requesting. Approval of

771
00:58:34,517 --> 00:58:40,171
this based. On what we discussed in the budget. But

772
00:58:40,171 --> 00:58:45,104
we never discussed this. I agree. I'm not going to

773
00:58:45,104 --> 00:58:48,424
put words on anybody else's mouth, but I agree that

774
00:58:48,424 --> 00:58:51,784
we have been requesting this for a while, and this

775
00:58:51,784 --> 00:58:56,224
started in 2016. And the purpose of the fire assessment

776
00:58:56,224 --> 00:59:03,090
fee was. To subsidize the fire department payroll, and the

777
00:59:03,090 --> 00:59:07,832
city was supposed to buy land at Patterson. And orchid

778
00:59:07,832 --> 00:59:11,352
drive, and they end up selling it to a developer.

779
00:59:11,352 --> 00:59:15,152
There's no fire station. There. So the residents have been

780
00:59:15,152 --> 00:59:18,992
paying for something that was promised to them that never

781
00:59:18,992 --> 00:59:26,446
happened. And, of course, the public safety. Is. The optimum.

782
00:59:28,059 --> 00:59:30,739
Thing that everybody wants to get, but the city needs

783
00:59:30,739 --> 00:59:37,024
to figure it out. How to. Either. The city needs

784
00:59:37,024 --> 00:59:41,455
to figure out. How to reduce the amount of the

785
00:59:41,455 --> 00:59:46,215
fire assessment fee or eliminate the fire assessment fee and

786
00:59:46,215 --> 00:59:53,068
you find other grants, funding, whatever. Because public trust. Those

787
00:59:53,068 --> 00:59:57,828
two words is what's expected from the residents, and we

788
00:59:57,828 --> 01:00:03,009
failed in that area. We just continually. Assume that we're

789
01:00:03,009 --> 01:00:06,009
going to just use this money. So I agree with

790
01:00:06,009 --> 01:00:08,569
you. Commissioner. Down. And we have been discussing this for

791
01:00:08,569 --> 01:00:12,689
years and nothing has taken place. Mr. Mayor, if I

792
01:00:12,689 --> 01:00:16,689
can. Just make one additional comment and commissioner husband, you're

793
01:00:16,689 --> 01:00:20,923
correct. Back in 2016. It was actually then put on

794
01:00:20,923 --> 01:00:24,283
the tax role, but we started collecting all the way

795
01:00:24,283 --> 01:00:28,323
back to 2013. So it started in 13, and then

796
01:00:28,323 --> 01:00:34,054
it became part of. Their taxes, if you will, back

797
01:00:34,054 --> 01:00:40,133
in 2016. So I am still. All for reducing this

798
01:00:40,133 --> 01:00:44,993
amount. Back when we initially started paying, city was very

799
01:00:44,993 --> 01:00:48,313
small. We did not have many homes, so we used

800
01:00:48,313 --> 01:00:53,377
this fire assessment fee to help offset the cost. Of

801
01:00:53,377 --> 01:00:59,965
public safety. We are now growing. By leaps and bounds.

802
01:00:59,965 --> 01:01:03,565
We have more larger homes now in Hayne City. We're

803
01:01:03,565 --> 01:01:09,760
collecting. More revenue from those homes. That could help also

804
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:15,926
offset. Some of the cost. Not even mentioning what we've

805
01:01:15,926 --> 01:01:21,162
already collected from the residents. And with this assessment, We

806
01:01:21,162 --> 01:01:24,806
can only use it. For that particular item for fire.

807
01:01:24,806 --> 01:01:27,526
We can't use it for mixed use fire, police it.

808
01:01:27,526 --> 01:01:32,681
Can only be forefire because it is an assessment. So

809
01:01:32,681 --> 01:01:36,041
I am still all for a reduction. I'm not stating

810
01:01:36,041 --> 01:01:40,761
to completely eliminate right now. But I'm definitely for a

811
01:01:40,761 --> 01:01:46,272
reduction for the residents. Thank you, Mr. Donald. I hear

812
01:01:46,272 --> 01:01:49,192
you and I hear Commissioner Huffman as well. As far

813
01:01:49,192 --> 01:01:51,712
as the reduction. But I want you to also keep

814
01:01:51,712 --> 01:01:56,130
in mind that. I texted manager, I think this morning

815
01:01:56,130 --> 01:02:00,194
because there was some concern that was raised. In my

816
01:02:00,194 --> 01:02:04,381
eyes that. We got two items that were vetoed by

817
01:02:04,381 --> 01:02:07,141
the governor this year and that we didn't. Collect any

818
01:02:07,141 --> 01:02:09,661
money. And one of the items that was Veto was

819
01:02:09,661 --> 01:02:13,421
on the new EEoc. Building that. Now we're going to

820
01:02:13,421 --> 01:02:15,381
have to put all that in debt service because we

821
01:02:15,381 --> 01:02:18,947
won't get a dime. And we can use for assessment

822
01:02:18,947 --> 01:02:21,547
to try to help build our EEOC. But I do

823
01:02:21,547 --> 01:02:25,187
agree that at some point in time, this firm assessment

824
01:02:25,187 --> 01:02:28,467
should be lower. They're absolutely right. We're continuing to grow

825
01:02:28,467 --> 01:02:31,067
in the fire assessment, continue to stay the same. At

826
01:02:31,067 --> 01:02:33,987
what point in time that we'll be able to give

827
01:02:33,987 --> 01:02:37,696
some type of. Rebate, I would say back to our

828
01:02:37,696 --> 01:02:41,416
citizen. We got fire sets and we got stormwater fees.

829
01:02:42,787 --> 01:02:44,507
Every time we can get out of someone, we try

830
01:02:44,507 --> 01:02:46,907
to get it out of them, and I. Think that

831
01:02:46,907 --> 01:02:49,467
if we can reduce this, and I understand if we

832
01:02:49,467 --> 01:02:53,147
eliminate fire assessment, our military will. Probably be almost 10%.

833
01:02:55,709 --> 01:02:57,509
It's going to cost us six point some million dollars,

834
01:02:57,509 --> 01:02:59,989
but I think that that's. If we eliminate it, but

835
01:02:59,989 --> 01:03:03,149
I think if we can find a way to reduce

836
01:03:03,149 --> 01:03:05,909
this, give them a tax break somewhere. A lot of

837
01:03:05,909 --> 01:03:08,229
people say it's not a tax. It is. Another tax.

838
01:03:08,229 --> 01:03:10,829
It's on your tax road. So it is a tax.

839
01:03:10,829 --> 01:03:12,789
I would just like. To see at some point in

840
01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:16,344
time can we reduce it like the commissioners? Are saying?

841
01:03:17,292 --> 01:03:19,692
To help our citizen. Our job here is to try

842
01:03:19,692 --> 01:03:22,532
to get the best bang for our butt. By our

843
01:03:22,532 --> 01:03:26,652
citizen fiduciary responsibility of taxpayers dollars. And that's what we

844
01:03:26,652 --> 01:03:28,292
sit up here to do to try to help these

845
01:03:28,292 --> 01:03:30,692
taxpayers, not saying that we try to stick it. To

846
01:03:30,692 --> 01:03:33,052
them every chance we get. And it's not fair. Mayor,

847
01:03:33,052 --> 01:03:40,806
can I be recognized? Last meeting. I think I spoke

848
01:03:40,806 --> 01:03:44,564
before, too, about reducing. Some of the millage or something

849
01:03:44,564 --> 01:03:49,537
to give the residents. A tax break or discount, but

850
01:03:49,537 --> 01:03:54,377
on this one. On the fire assessment. For this one,

851
01:03:54,377 --> 01:03:56,697
I think. The way I see it, I think we

852
01:03:56,697 --> 01:04:00,042
should go with it. And then it feels like there

853
01:04:00,042 --> 01:04:02,962
is a need to discuss it. I think for the

854
01:04:02,962 --> 01:04:07,178
next. Fiscal year, not this. Coming up, the next one.

855
01:04:07,178 --> 01:04:09,858
I think we should have a meeting and talk. More

856
01:04:09,858 --> 01:04:12,778
about our assessments in our mileage and see if we

857
01:04:12,778 --> 01:04:16,658
can do something. Allow the experts to bring those numbers

858
01:04:16,658 --> 01:04:19,138
on how it's going to affect, because as we saw

859
01:04:19,138 --> 01:04:22,698
in the last one. Just reducing the millage by, I

860
01:04:22,698 --> 01:04:25,098
don't know, half a point, I think. It was like

861
01:04:25,098 --> 01:04:29,589
three. Million. Four millions lost. So the city is growing.

862
01:04:29,589 --> 01:04:32,429
Yes, we're getting more money, but still with that, we

863
01:04:32,429 --> 01:04:35,349
don't have enough because we don't have the facilities built

864
01:04:35,349 --> 01:04:38,189
after we have a build. It might be more easier

865
01:04:38,189 --> 01:04:40,909
because then you just got expenses of keeping up with

866
01:04:40,909 --> 01:04:43,669
it. But to build it. We have the new Elc.

867
01:04:45,621 --> 01:04:50,301
There was some discussions about getting another station on power

868
01:04:50,301 --> 01:04:52,741
line, I think somewhere there, so we're going to need

869
01:04:52,741 --> 01:04:59,775
money for it. I hate that we cannot reduce to

870
01:04:59,775 --> 01:05:03,455
a residence. But there are necessities that we need. To

871
01:05:03,455 --> 01:05:06,415
get to it. And the mayors say, unfortunately, we didn't

872
01:05:06,415 --> 01:05:11,378
get nothing basically from the state this year. There was

873
01:05:11,378 --> 01:05:14,218
a few millions that would help. So for now, I

874
01:05:14,218 --> 01:05:18,218
will stick with the program. The way it is. Ms.

875
01:05:18,218 --> 01:05:21,876
Mayor, may I be recognized? Really quick? Thank you. So

876
01:05:21,876 --> 01:05:24,796
as of today, the year to date, we have collected

877
01:05:24,796 --> 01:05:31,858
$4.8 million strictly from the residents. And you're stating tonight

878
01:05:31,858 --> 01:05:36,811
that we did not receive anything this year. In grant

879
01:05:36,811 --> 01:05:43,212
funding, however. In 2023, we received $2 million for the

880
01:05:43,212 --> 01:05:47,052
fire truck grant, and we received $15 million for the

881
01:05:47,052 --> 01:05:51,012
fire and EOC, which gives us a total of $16.3

882
01:05:51,012 --> 01:05:55,491
million. In additional funding, and that was grant funding. On

883
01:05:55,491 --> 01:05:59,731
top of the $4.8 million that we've already collected from

884
01:05:59,731 --> 01:06:03,291
the residents. I think the residents has paid enough and.

885
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:08,702
They are due at least some type of break. I

886
01:06:08,702 --> 01:06:12,255
sat in that audience for many years. Fiscal year, after

887
01:06:12,255 --> 01:06:16,055
fiscal year after fiscal year. Here in the commission board

888
01:06:16,055 --> 01:06:18,255
discusses. So this is not the first time that it's

889
01:06:18,255 --> 01:06:22,822
come up for discussion as far as. A possible reduction.

890
01:06:23,660 --> 01:06:28,420
A possible deletion of that particular fire assessment. I think

891
01:06:28,420 --> 01:06:32,631
the time is now. Let's. Give our residents this break,

892
01:06:32,631 --> 01:06:36,838
even if it's a minimum amount. Half or whatever we

893
01:06:36,838 --> 01:06:40,238
need to do. They deserve a break. They've paid their

894
01:06:40,238 --> 01:06:44,238
dues. And we need to give them what we promised

895
01:06:44,238 --> 01:06:47,238
them years ago, and that's my final. Thought. Thank you.

896
01:06:47,238 --> 01:06:50,918
All right, but if you're talking a percentage or amount

897
01:06:50,918 --> 01:06:53,998
of a tax, break. I mean, you want to lower

898
01:06:53,998 --> 01:06:58,350
the buyer assessment. What amount? What percentage? You're going to

899
01:06:58,350 --> 01:07:01,670
lower about 50%. You're going to lower. About 5%. 1%.

900
01:07:01,670 --> 01:07:05,547
Commissioners, if I may again, I think. The context is

901
01:07:05,547 --> 01:07:08,747
perfectly noted. I think the goal is we have a

902
01:07:08,747 --> 01:07:12,387
meeting July 14. We talked about you guys potentially having

903
01:07:12,387 --> 01:07:15,547
to make these decisions on July 3 as well as

904
01:07:15,547 --> 01:07:18,027
July 17 for the trim again. Some of these public

905
01:07:18,027 --> 01:07:19,947
hearings are required in order to get it on the

906
01:07:19,947 --> 01:07:22,907
tax roll. I just want to set some context. And

907
01:07:22,907 --> 01:07:25,767
again, we're vigilant and we're cognizant. Of the fact that

908
01:07:25,767 --> 01:07:27,767
you guys want to reduce. Our goal at the next

909
01:07:27,767 --> 01:07:30,327
budget meeting is give you those options. In that first

910
01:07:30,327 --> 01:07:33,087
budget workshop, we said if we kept everything status quo

911
01:07:33,087 --> 01:07:34,887
and we didn't try to collect any extra revenue. We

912
01:07:34,887 --> 01:07:38,771
don't have about $4 million. Available. To spend on capital

913
01:07:38,771 --> 01:07:40,891
as well as that did not include any new positions

914
01:07:40,891 --> 01:07:43,971
that did not include any merit increases for staff that

915
01:07:43,971 --> 01:07:46,971
did not include any operating increases. So we could be

916
01:07:46,971 --> 01:07:50,171
potentially looking at a budget with no increases that you

917
01:07:50,171 --> 01:07:51,931
would not be able to fund any capital projects at

918
01:07:51,931 --> 01:07:55,651
all. So we are constrained. In that sense, that doesn't

919
01:07:55,651 --> 01:07:57,531
mean we can't get creative and give you options. But

920
01:07:57,531 --> 01:07:59,371
I want to be able to give you real numbers

921
01:07:59,371 --> 01:08:02,611
so you guys can make educated decisions. In that process.

922
01:08:02,611 --> 01:08:04,571
One thing that I will say as well is the

923
01:08:04,571 --> 01:08:06,731
city has grown. It leaps. And bounds, which is amazing.

924
01:08:06,731 --> 01:08:10,536
But with that said. We also have increased service. Right.

925
01:08:10,536 --> 01:08:13,776
So since 2013 to 2024, consistently we've been at a

926
01:08:13,776 --> 01:08:18,056
million dollar shortfall between what the fire assessment brings in

927
01:08:18,056 --> 01:08:20,896
and what the fire department budget is. So it's never

928
01:08:20,896 --> 01:08:24,576
covered 100% of the fire department budget. We're still subsidizing

929
01:08:24,576 --> 01:08:27,336
that. And that's still happening today, even at the $4.8

930
01:08:27,336 --> 01:08:31,698
million number. This year's budget was $6.6 million, which means

931
01:08:31,698 --> 01:08:35,138
we're still at a deficit of 1.8 million. You are

932
01:08:35,138 --> 01:08:36,978
correct in the fact that we did get a $2

933
01:08:36,978 --> 01:08:39,818
million grant for the fire trucks and the apparatus grants.

934
01:08:39,818 --> 01:08:42,098
The 15 million was not a grant that is actually

935
01:08:42,098 --> 01:08:45,138
a self funded project that we're using these funds from

936
01:08:45,138 --> 01:08:47,898
general fund. To pick up the full 15 million. We

937
01:08:47,898 --> 01:08:50,305
did receive a 750. Thousand dollars grant for the design

938
01:08:50,305 --> 01:08:52,625
portion of that. So again, I say all that just

939
01:08:52,625 --> 01:08:54,945
to give you guys context. So you understand. It's not

940
01:08:54,945 --> 01:08:57,465
like we're charging excess. We're not putting away money for

941
01:08:57,465 --> 01:09:00,585
fire, but we are making sure we're moving forward. Our

942
01:09:00,585 --> 01:09:03,385
fire department. We're expanding. We only had two stations. Now

943
01:09:03,385 --> 01:09:05,545
we have a third. We still need a fourth. So

944
01:09:05,545 --> 01:09:07,265
we need to be realistic is if we want a

945
01:09:07,265 --> 01:09:12,178
reduction. That may mean foregoing a forestation. And I want

946
01:09:12,178 --> 01:09:14,218
to present you guys all that data. So when you

947
01:09:14,218 --> 01:09:16,738
make that decision, you understand how hard you want to

948
01:09:16,738 --> 01:09:19,018
tailor it, how fast you want to cut or how

949
01:09:19,018 --> 01:09:21,378
slow you want to cut and what that looks like

950
01:09:21,378 --> 01:09:23,418
in terms of the impact. You guys will also have

951
01:09:23,418 --> 01:09:26,018
the option of how soon maybe you want to tweak.

952
01:09:26,018 --> 01:09:28,578
The millage instead of the fire sustenment because they both

953
01:09:28,578 --> 01:09:31,944
give. Relief to the residents from a tax burden perspective.

954
01:09:31,944 --> 01:09:35,464
So that is the goal for the July 14 budget

955
01:09:35,464 --> 01:09:37,944
workshop. I know we try to unravel a lot at

956
01:09:37,944 --> 01:09:40,664
that first one, but again, we need to be having

957
01:09:40,664 --> 01:09:43,384
these conversations where you guys have all the data in

958
01:09:43,384 --> 01:09:46,144
front of you. To make a decision on that. Mr.

959
01:09:46,144 --> 01:09:49,322
Mayor, if I can just answer one question. Where does

960
01:09:49,322 --> 01:09:51,642
the trim notice? Because I know the fire assessment and

961
01:09:51,642 --> 01:09:54,122
stormwater being with the trim. Note the trim notice. We

962
01:09:54,122 --> 01:09:56,602
are required by the trim statute to have a response

963
01:09:56,602 --> 01:09:58,802
to the property appraiser by August 4, which is why.

964
01:10:00,108 --> 01:10:03,290
We're having the millies on the July. Requirement. That's a

965
01:10:03,290 --> 01:10:04,850
mandatory requirement. So that's the last meeting we have in

966
01:10:04,850 --> 01:10:08,010
July. To get back to them. So between now and

967
01:10:08,010 --> 01:10:13,243
July 17, While eleven is a property appraiser's requirement to

968
01:10:13,243 --> 01:10:18,180
submit a trim roll. For non edworm. That is not

969
01:10:18,180 --> 01:10:22,166
mandatory. But the problem you run into if you don't

970
01:10:22,166 --> 01:10:25,206
do it when it comes out is blank, and it

971
01:10:25,206 --> 01:10:29,044
misleads a lot of people because there's nothing there. So

972
01:10:29,044 --> 01:10:31,604
the law requires the property, Fraser, to make it available.

973
01:10:33,347 --> 01:10:35,827
This data venom on June 1, he turns around in

974
01:10:35,827 --> 01:10:38,467
40 days. It says, give me a complete role. We

975
01:10:38,467 --> 01:10:40,027
can get that done for you. But you all need

976
01:10:40,027 --> 01:10:43,668
to understand. He needs that on the 11th, and then

977
01:10:43,668 --> 01:10:47,188
by law, mandatory, you got to pick a millage. And

978
01:10:47,188 --> 01:10:49,228
give it to him. And once you give that to

979
01:10:49,228 --> 01:10:53,650
him on the fourth, you really can't change it. We

980
01:10:53,650 --> 01:10:58,153
can lower it, but we can't change, right? The state

981
01:10:58,153 --> 01:11:02,344
law says once you give that information, To the property,

982
01:11:02,344 --> 01:11:04,384
Fraser, then you've got to live with that for that

983
01:11:04,384 --> 01:11:08,424
fiscal year. Unless. There are some criteria, like an emergency

984
01:11:08,424 --> 01:11:12,304
or they had a breakdown in their systems and misappraised

985
01:11:12,304 --> 01:11:15,224
everything. But that's the way the law works. It's 200.0.

986
01:11:17,030 --> 01:11:19,310
But I'll wait. I want to wait until you ask

987
01:11:19,310 --> 01:11:25,252
me. I'll help you. But I will wait. Yes. I

988
01:11:25,252 --> 01:11:30,521
just had one quick question. We discussed this at our

989
01:11:30,521 --> 01:11:35,003
budget meeting. And then we were due to discuss it

990
01:11:35,003 --> 01:11:38,043
again on the 14th, so I'm trying to. Figure out

991
01:11:38,043 --> 01:11:43,527
with you stating that? You plan to give us numbers.

992
01:11:43,527 --> 01:11:48,931
So why are we not receiving those items before? This

993
01:11:48,931 --> 01:11:52,857
comes before us. And wanting us to vote on it.

994
01:11:52,857 --> 01:11:56,460
I cannot stress it enough that. We need to stop.

995
01:11:57,673 --> 01:12:01,652
Working backwards. You present us something and you say, hey,

996
01:12:01,652 --> 01:12:04,372
just vote on it, and then you come back with.

997
01:12:04,372 --> 01:12:08,612
Want to produce us with numbers and facts. After the

998
01:12:08,612 --> 01:12:11,572
facts I would like to see us get. That first

999
01:12:11,572 --> 01:12:16,648
because. I was really taken back when we just discussed

1000
01:12:16,648 --> 01:12:19,688
this, and then at the very next meeting, you have

1001
01:12:19,688 --> 01:12:22,688
it on here for an approval when it was already

1002
01:12:22,688 --> 01:12:27,848
scheduled for our July 14 meeting budget. Meeting. So just

1003
01:12:27,848 --> 01:12:30,688
to recap, too, is we did have the June 24

1004
01:12:30,688 --> 01:12:34,286
meeting, the proposed meeting. Was for us to meet. Before

1005
01:12:34,286 --> 01:12:37,166
this meeting today to talk about these same items before

1006
01:12:37,166 --> 01:12:40,046
you vote on. Unfortunately, there were commitments. There were constraints.

1007
01:12:40,046 --> 01:12:42,846
We could not schedule that meeting, which then got postponed

1008
01:12:42,846 --> 01:12:46,326
to the July 14 and even picking the July 14

1009
01:12:46,326 --> 01:12:49,486
meeting date was a hassle. Right. So again, we're trying

1010
01:12:49,486 --> 01:12:52,686
to be proactive. We set a calendar to make sure

1011
01:12:52,686 --> 01:12:54,558
that we're getting out in. Front of you with sufficient

1012
01:12:54,558 --> 01:12:57,638
time to give you the time to prepare. But unfortunately,

1013
01:12:57,638 --> 01:13:01,718
again, that July. 3 budget workshop meeting did not occur,

1014
01:13:01,718 --> 01:13:05,118
but that was the intent and the mindset behind it.

1015
01:13:05,118 --> 01:13:07,598
We also were trying to coordinate with Mark and his

1016
01:13:07,598 --> 01:13:09,518
team, which is the ones who prepared the resolution of

1017
01:13:09,518 --> 01:13:11,918
the trim. So some of that got involved, but our

1018
01:13:11,918 --> 01:13:14,587
goal was to try and get you the information. Beforehand.

1019
01:13:14,587 --> 01:13:19,130
Thank you. All right. Any questions? I like to contribute

1020
01:13:19,130 --> 01:13:21,010
when I can. Yes, I'm going to yield. To you.

1021
01:13:21,010 --> 01:13:23,330
I allow you to speak to Mark. We're going to

1022
01:13:23,330 --> 01:13:27,575
give you an opportunity. Ms. Lawson. I just say one

1023
01:13:27,575 --> 01:13:36,440
thing to Umar? Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Omar.

1024
01:13:39,716 --> 01:13:44,914
I think that a suggestion to you. Is to share

1025
01:13:44,914 --> 01:13:48,895
some of what's in your head. As far as why

1026
01:13:48,895 --> 01:13:54,035
this particular date. We need to get things done. You

1027
01:13:54,035 --> 01:13:56,395
know what? We don't know. And then when you bring

1028
01:13:56,395 --> 01:13:59,915
it to us, we feel. Rushed at that point and

1029
01:13:59,915 --> 01:14:05,418
have more questions. So. If the July 14. I'm sure

1030
01:14:05,418 --> 01:14:09,338
we'll have a meeting maybe in August to then let

1031
01:14:09,338 --> 01:14:13,833
us know about. Those September dates, explain to us why,

1032
01:14:13,833 --> 01:14:17,353
and it may help some of us to say, well,

1033
01:14:17,353 --> 01:14:20,473
if we have it at this time versus that I

1034
01:14:20,473 --> 01:14:24,167
think that I can make it now. I understand. Better.

1035
01:14:24,167 --> 01:14:27,719
What? The importance is because I didn't know what the

1036
01:14:27,719 --> 01:14:30,759
deadlines were, and like we discussed, at the last meeting,

1037
01:14:30,759 --> 01:14:35,391
too. The assumption going into was educate, but also set

1038
01:14:35,391 --> 01:14:37,591
that standard knowing that we could talk through it. And

1039
01:14:37,591 --> 01:14:40,151
continue to have budget meetings throughout that process. And if

1040
01:14:40,151 --> 01:14:41,831
we need to tailor it down, cut it. But again,

1041
01:14:41,831 --> 01:14:44,791
we're making decisions without having to violate the trim process.

1042
01:14:44,791 --> 01:14:47,111
So it's, not a rush. And you're stuck in that

1043
01:14:47,111 --> 01:14:50,311
decision. It's just making sure we're buying compliant, and then

1044
01:14:50,311 --> 01:14:52,835
we'll continue to work through the budget process. Going through

1045
01:14:52,835 --> 01:14:57,385
that information. All right, Mort. Yes, sir. I'd like to

1046
01:14:57,385 --> 01:15:01,446
make an observation. First of all. I want everybody understand

1047
01:15:01,446 --> 01:15:04,152
that I'm here to help you. You don't want to

1048
01:15:04,152 --> 01:15:06,792
do the assessment, it's okay with me. And I really.

1049
01:15:06,792 --> 01:15:12,424
Mean that. But the one thing. That occurs is what

1050
01:15:12,424 --> 01:15:17,801
occurred back in 213. Is that what you typically do

1051
01:15:17,801 --> 01:15:20,481
with a fire department budget? It's up there in your

1052
01:15:20,481 --> 01:15:23,561
high priority items, and it sops up a lot of

1053
01:15:23,561 --> 01:15:27,361
your money. So at that time, you had about 9000

1054
01:15:27,361 --> 01:15:32,288
parcels in the city. And I have listened to the

1055
01:15:32,288 --> 01:15:36,281
process. That the staff and the management went through. They

1056
01:15:36,281 --> 01:15:39,801
had people come in and make presentations on how they

1057
01:15:39,801 --> 01:15:43,122
can cut and how they can reduce because. The entirety

1058
01:15:43,122 --> 01:15:47,526
of your budget is impacted by the assessment. The assessment

1059
01:15:47,526 --> 01:15:52,070
was designed as a means. To assist you from having

1060
01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:55,670
to go up well above nine mils of constitutional caps

1061
01:15:55,670 --> 01:16:03,045
at ten. The design was to create. Equity by diversity

1062
01:16:03,045 --> 01:16:07,565
of charge. Now, I'm not criticizing anybody here, so take

1063
01:16:07,565 --> 01:16:12,070
no offense to this. I'm a purist and expert. There's

1064
01:16:12,070 --> 01:16:18,083
a fee. There's a special assessment and there's a task.

1065
01:16:18,083 --> 01:16:23,120
All have different legal characteristics. I'm not going to call

1066
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:26,000
anybody out. But this is not a fee. This is

1067
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:29,000
not a tax. It's an assessment. It has certain rules

1068
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:32,052
that you have to follow. Taxes have certain rules that

1069
01:16:32,052 --> 01:16:35,452
to follow, and so do fees. So the key here

1070
01:16:35,452 --> 01:16:40,420
is. You have a desire to lower the assessment, but

1071
01:16:40,420 --> 01:16:43,540
it's like a water balloon if you lower the assessment.

1072
01:16:45,001 --> 01:16:50,506
It'll bulge one of two places. You'll either. Cause your

1073
01:16:50,506 --> 01:16:53,226
adorn taxes to go up. There's a whole other crowd

1074
01:16:53,226 --> 01:16:54,586
of people who will come and talk to you about

1075
01:16:54,586 --> 01:16:58,878
that. Or you'll have to cut things. That's what happened

1076
01:16:58,878 --> 01:17:02,518
at 213 and here's. The issue? When you cut, it's

1077
01:17:02,518 --> 01:17:06,735
hard to do. It can't be done. In a four

1078
01:17:06,735 --> 01:17:09,707
to six week period. I've never seen a community be

1079
01:17:09,707 --> 01:17:12,667
able to do it because there are so many competing.

1080
01:17:12,667 --> 01:17:16,623
Desires for the limited dollars in the budget. Though the

1081
01:17:16,623 --> 01:17:21,189
first thing I'm going to suggest to you is. I

1082
01:17:21,189 --> 01:17:26,446
watch. Financial directors around the state work. This man has

1083
01:17:26,446 --> 01:17:31,398
worked hard. He has limited. Resources to figure out how

1084
01:17:31,398 --> 01:17:35,332
to manipulate a budget to fit the needs. So the

1085
01:17:35,332 --> 01:17:37,172
first thing I would say to you is, I think

1086
01:17:37,172 --> 01:17:40,572
it's going to be really hard to lower the assessment

1087
01:17:40,572 --> 01:17:46,525
without. Raising the millage. Now, here's the key issue. Your

1088
01:17:46,525 --> 01:17:49,845
city is grown from about 9000 tax parcels build up

1089
01:17:49,845 --> 01:17:59,627
16,000. 500. That's substantial growth. Those properties are predominantly above

1090
01:17:59,627 --> 01:18:06,193
average properties. That help pay taxes, so. Whatever you decide

1091
01:18:06,193 --> 01:18:08,153
to do. If you do it by August 4, then.

1092
01:18:10,045 --> 01:18:11,645
I would tell you you would need to do is

1093
01:18:11,645 --> 01:18:15,705
likely adopt these today to keep your options. Open. And

1094
01:18:15,705 --> 01:18:18,385
on August 4, if you're going to raise your village,

1095
01:18:18,385 --> 01:18:21,185
do that. So your trim. Build is going to look

1096
01:18:21,185 --> 01:18:23,985
wild and you'll have a lot of people showing up

1097
01:18:23,985 --> 01:18:29,200
renting about taxes. We're Americans. We do that. The desire

1098
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:35,257
that I hear tonight and I hear the desire. Okay

1099
01:18:35,257 --> 01:18:39,279
is if you want to lower the assessment. I can

1100
01:18:39,279 --> 01:18:44,969
share with you, but the real issue is. It's a

1101
01:18:44,969 --> 01:18:47,890
process. In a perfect world. It's a process that ought

1102
01:18:47,890 --> 01:18:52,335
to start the day after Thanksgiving and. You have those

1103
01:18:52,335 --> 01:18:55,255
staff is told come prepared to tell us what you

1104
01:18:55,255 --> 01:18:57,575
can take out of your budget, because there's three ways

1105
01:18:57,575 --> 01:19:01,928
to solve the problem. Raise the abnormal taxes, lower what

1106
01:19:01,928 --> 01:19:04,368
you spend the money on, and figure out how to

1107
01:19:04,368 --> 01:19:09,048
get the assessment lowered. It is a very difficult public

1108
01:19:09,048 --> 01:19:13,484
administration chore. And everybody's used to being funded in a

1109
01:19:13,484 --> 01:19:17,834
budget. So if the parks and Rec is used to

1110
01:19:17,834 --> 01:19:24,800
getting. A million one, and they're told it's 500,000. Okay.

1111
01:19:26,470 --> 01:19:28,670
And that's where you all come in. Because once you

1112
01:19:28,670 --> 01:19:32,350
get your staff to look critically, I would tell you,

1113
01:19:32,350 --> 01:19:34,950
you should engage a facilitator so you all can sit

1114
01:19:34,950 --> 01:19:37,470
down. With a big white sheet of paper and decide

1115
01:19:37,470 --> 01:19:42,799
what to cut because just saying, lower it. Places the

1116
01:19:42,799 --> 01:19:47,892
burden. On the manager or the finance director to unitly

1117
01:19:47,892 --> 01:19:51,492
start to slash. And when that happens, the people that

1118
01:19:51,492 --> 01:19:57,277
are the recipients of those services or capital. Like I

1119
01:19:57,277 --> 01:20:00,997
said, it's the Florida comes up. You can go ahead

1120
01:20:00,997 --> 01:20:05,077
and cut right now. But when you cut, you're going

1121
01:20:05,077 --> 01:20:08,437
to be doing it in some degree blindly, because you

1122
01:20:08,437 --> 01:20:11,889
don't know what you're cutting. I can tell you, but

1123
01:20:11,889 --> 01:20:16,902
you will cut. You will cut. Lower priority items, because

1124
01:20:16,902 --> 01:20:21,182
at some point you'll hear from people saying, oops, if

1125
01:20:21,182 --> 01:20:27,495
you cut the fire department. Are. ISO. Rating might go

1126
01:20:27,495 --> 01:20:33,625
up. ISO stands for insurance services organization. And they rate.

1127
01:20:33,625 --> 01:20:35,545
Do I got a fireman in here that knows what's

1128
01:20:35,545 --> 01:20:37,585
your ISO? RatIng, Jim, do you what your ISO rating

1129
01:20:37,585 --> 01:20:42,092
is? I don't know. Four. Let me tell you what

1130
01:20:42,092 --> 01:20:46,839
a four means. Ten is you're out in the country

1131
01:20:46,839 --> 01:20:50,249
and there's no water and you have. A bucket. Be

1132
01:20:50,249 --> 01:20:54,829
great brigade, okay? One is the city of Kissimmee. They're

1133
01:20:54,829 --> 01:20:59,029
a one. Their insurance rates are. Run down because insurance

1134
01:20:59,029 --> 01:21:04,149
service organization drives what your insurers in your community charge

1135
01:21:04,149 --> 01:21:08,313
everybody for. Insurance. If you're an entry level homeowner, I

1136
01:21:08,313 --> 01:21:11,513
guarantee you have insurance because the mortgage lender won't let

1137
01:21:11,513 --> 01:21:19,978
you borrow money without insurance. Four. Is. Not. I'm going

1138
01:21:19,978 --> 01:21:22,018
to tell you. It's a higher insurance you're paying. More

1139
01:21:22,018 --> 01:21:24,138
insurance rates in the city because of that. If you

1140
01:21:24,138 --> 01:21:27,058
could get down one, it'll. Be a huge jump. Get

1141
01:21:27,058 --> 01:21:29,618
to a two is a huge jump. Beyond that, here's

1142
01:21:29,618 --> 01:21:36,029
the point. If you reduce the funding for your fire

1143
01:21:36,029 --> 01:21:38,189
department, I don't care what you do. I want you

1144
01:21:38,189 --> 01:21:40,589
all to understand I'm just trying to help academically teach.

1145
01:21:42,241 --> 01:21:45,841
Your insurance rates will go up because ISO will ultimately

1146
01:21:45,841 --> 01:21:49,371
figure that out. And when people apply for insurance, it

1147
01:21:49,371 --> 01:21:53,846
just goes up. That's one ramification. The other one is.

1148
01:21:55,576 --> 01:21:59,096
I understand that everybody in the budget there's a proponent

1149
01:21:59,096 --> 01:22:05,762
for everything in your budget. You all know that. So

1150
01:22:05,762 --> 01:22:10,524
when you go look at lower priority items, The proponents

1151
01:22:10,524 --> 01:22:13,328
will also show up. And we'll discuss this with you.

1152
01:22:15,011 --> 01:22:17,451
Because of the timing, the way the state law works,

1153
01:22:17,451 --> 01:22:20,571
where you have to tell the property appraiser. What your

1154
01:22:20,571 --> 01:22:25,901
trim is. You only have the option right now is

1155
01:22:25,901 --> 01:22:30,375
adopt this. Because it's not mandatory. But if you want

1156
01:22:30,375 --> 01:22:31,495
to get it on the trim, you got to get

1157
01:22:31,495 --> 01:22:35,473
it to them by the eleven. I would always advise

1158
01:22:35,473 --> 01:22:38,233
you to put it on trim because you'll be criticized

1159
01:22:38,233 --> 01:22:43,834
if it's a blank. And then. If you fill a

1160
01:22:43,834 --> 01:22:47,763
tent on lowering it. Your primary way to lower it

1161
01:22:47,763 --> 01:22:51,806
is going to be. A little more millage and some

1162
01:22:51,806 --> 01:22:55,595
cuts, but it's going to be mostly millage. I'm not

1163
01:22:55,595 --> 01:22:59,155
saying kick can. I'm saying plan to kick the can.

1164
01:23:00,673 --> 01:23:04,233
Start in November. Have a calendar if you bring in

1165
01:23:04,233 --> 01:23:08,645
a facilitator to help you. You all will. Drive. What's

1166
01:23:08,645 --> 01:23:13,701
going to be cut? Because. No offense to Omar. If

1167
01:23:13,701 --> 01:23:16,341
you rely on him to cut for you, you'll get

1168
01:23:16,341 --> 01:23:20,858
what Omar cuts. It's your. I can see in all

1169
01:23:20,858 --> 01:23:24,418
of you you'd like to lower the assessment. The key

1170
01:23:24,418 --> 01:23:28,963
is, how do we get there as a group? And

1171
01:23:28,963 --> 01:23:33,933
every city faces this issue. I just happen to know

1172
01:23:33,933 --> 01:23:37,533
this stuff. I sound impassioned. I want to help you.

1173
01:23:40,009 --> 01:23:46,692
So. I think. You're regrettably ill prepared. And I understand

1174
01:23:46,692 --> 01:23:52,757
your frustration, commissioner. But the decisions on how big is

1175
01:23:52,757 --> 01:23:56,437
your tool budget for the general fund? About 57 million.

1176
01:23:56,437 --> 01:24:01,832
That's a lot of money. And if you start. To.

1177
01:24:03,426 --> 01:24:06,426
Cut and slash without thinking about it. You'll get a

1178
01:24:06,426 --> 01:24:10,493
lot of spanner back. Now, if you work through it,

1179
01:24:10,493 --> 01:24:13,973
where you have a series of sessions where people say,

1180
01:24:13,973 --> 01:24:16,813
we could cut this, no more. This. This is a

1181
01:24:16,813 --> 01:24:21,057
result of that. And you see your budget. Work as

1182
01:24:21,057 --> 01:24:25,263
you go along. Then it's your budget. And you're knowledgeable

1183
01:24:25,263 --> 01:24:29,735
about it. But here's the beautiful part. You can do

1184
01:24:29,735 --> 01:24:33,935
millage and you can do assessment, and these assessments that

1185
01:24:33,935 --> 01:24:40,082
you have can be altered. And still retain their judicially

1186
01:24:40,082 --> 01:24:43,282
approved validity. That's a whole other bag of worms. Thank

1187
01:24:43,282 --> 01:24:50,198
you. Appreciate that. Explanation. On the assessment. The water balloons.

1188
01:24:51,639 --> 01:24:58,829
But at this time, we have this resolution. For. Assessment.

1189
01:24:58,829 --> 01:25:01,829
I need someone to introduce that resolution, and then we'll

1190
01:25:01,829 --> 01:25:04,429
take some action on this. Item, but please have the

1191
01:25:04,429 --> 01:25:06,309
public hearing. You can read it. Read it and then

1192
01:25:06,309 --> 01:25:10,553
have the law. Requires the public hearing. We advertise. Just

1193
01:25:10,553 --> 01:25:18,031
say one comment before we get into that? To the

1194
01:25:18,031 --> 01:25:21,631
fire chief and the city manager. I want you to

1195
01:25:21,631 --> 01:25:28,854
know that I fully support the fire department. I'm hoping

1196
01:25:28,854 --> 01:25:36,485
that. With. This next. Fiscal year budget. That.

1197
01:25:39,481 --> 01:25:43,601
We take better care of them. Meaning? We don't want

1198
01:25:43,601 --> 01:25:49,121
them riding around in old, old. Vehicles, because timing is

1199
01:25:49,121 --> 01:25:55,655
everything. So when it comes to that budget, We're not

1200
01:25:55,655 --> 01:26:00,058
going to rob from. Police and fire to pay utility.

1201
01:26:01,694 --> 01:26:09,448
Okay. Because, you know, I will go to bat. Over

1202
01:26:09,448 --> 01:26:11,768
that. Thank you, Michelle. At this time, we're going to

1203
01:26:11,768 --> 01:26:14,328
open it up for public comments anyone from the public

1204
01:26:14,328 --> 01:26:16,568
wish to speak in reference to this item, please step

1205
01:26:16,568 --> 01:26:18,528
forward to the poll. You can state your name and

1206
01:26:18,528 --> 01:26:26,232
address for the record. Recording. Induction is resolution. Mr. Mayor,

1207
01:26:26,232 --> 01:26:34,917
I introduce resolution number 251879. Resolution number 251879. A resolution

1208
01:26:34,917 --> 01:26:38,157
of the city of Hayne city, Florida, approving the fiscal

1209
01:26:38,157 --> 01:26:43,917
year 20 25 26 non ad valorum assessment role for

1210
01:26:43,917 --> 01:26:50,037
fire protection services, facilities and programs, providing for authority, providing

1211
01:26:50,037 --> 01:26:55,337
for definitions. Providing for findings, providing for direction concerning interim

1212
01:26:55,337 --> 01:27:03,055
assessments, providing for ratification and confirmation of apportionment methods. Directing

1213
01:27:03,055 --> 01:27:06,909
certification of the assessment role. And collection pursuant to the

1214
01:27:06,909 --> 01:27:13,857
Uniform Assessment Collection act, confirming required notice and imposing. Levying

1215
01:27:13,857 --> 01:27:21,725
fire service assessments, providing for additional notice. Under section 200.6.

1216
01:27:23,332 --> 01:27:29,613
Nine Florida statutes. Ongoing work order. Direction and severability and

1217
01:27:29,613 --> 01:27:34,370
providing. For. An effective date. All right, before we vote

1218
01:27:34,370 --> 01:27:38,536
on this, I. Say? And I understand we're in the

1219
01:27:38,536 --> 01:27:41,595
12th hour, but. We should work in the next coming

1220
01:27:41,595 --> 01:27:44,435
year. Like you said on white paper. We really need

1221
01:27:44,435 --> 01:27:46,835
to start looking at like Commissioner Don and St commissioner

1222
01:27:46,835 --> 01:27:51,115
husband said they need to start soon as November soon

1223
01:27:51,115 --> 01:27:52,875
as this budget season. We need to look at, try

1224
01:27:52,875 --> 01:27:56,315
to lower these assessments, but we can't do it by

1225
01:27:56,315 --> 01:27:58,315
doing it tonight. We don't have time to do it

1226
01:27:58,315 --> 01:28:01,289
tonight. Because of the trim notice and. Because of all

1227
01:28:01,289 --> 01:28:02,929
the other things by law, that we have to be

1228
01:28:02,929 --> 01:28:06,009
within, but we know this. Is coming up every year

1229
01:28:06,009 --> 01:28:08,929
at this time. We shouldn't wait till this time of

1230
01:28:08,929 --> 01:28:11,689
year. To start saying we should be working on this.

1231
01:28:11,689 --> 01:28:14,049
Our finance. Hey, come back to the commission throughout the

1232
01:28:14,049 --> 01:28:16,489
year and say, if you want to lower your fire

1233
01:28:16,489 --> 01:28:18,489
assessment, here's what you got. To cut. Here's what you're

1234
01:28:18,489 --> 01:28:21,454
going to have to happen. I think we're. Under. The

1235
01:28:21,454 --> 01:28:23,454
gun with this in here, and my vote would be

1236
01:28:23,454 --> 01:28:26,214
leave it as is. But I'm. Telling you, next year

1237
01:28:26,214 --> 01:28:29,174
we should, because our citizen has the right to get

1238
01:28:29,174 --> 01:28:31,334
a break somewhere. And it should be in that assessment.

1239
01:28:31,334 --> 01:28:33,054
They've been paying that for a long time. On the

1240
01:28:33,054 --> 01:28:37,534
fire assessment, so casting my vote will be leave it

1241
01:28:37,534 --> 01:28:40,414
as is, don't raise or anything. I think that was

1242
01:28:40,414 --> 01:28:42,820
one of the options. In there. We didn't make any

1243
01:28:42,820 --> 01:28:45,620
changes, but I do see a change in next year.

1244
01:28:45,620 --> 01:28:47,180
Whether we get a finance. Ma'am, we got a question.

1245
01:28:49,076 --> 01:28:52,675
I liked. I want to make sure that I am

1246
01:28:52,675 --> 01:28:55,955
clear with you in how your staff has behaved and

1247
01:28:55,955 --> 01:29:02,377
what you currently do. Normally. Say unbudget. That looks a

1248
01:29:02,377 --> 01:29:08,404
lot. Similar year for year, right? Your assessment, particularly your

1249
01:29:08,404 --> 01:29:13,442
fire assessment. Digest the annual budget. We do look at

1250
01:29:13,442 --> 01:29:17,082
that budget. The preliminary one to make sure you're. Not

1251
01:29:17,082 --> 01:29:21,722
out of kilter legally and economically. And so with that,

1252
01:29:21,722 --> 01:29:23,722
I have given to the clerk the two reports that

1253
01:29:23,722 --> 01:29:28,876
are mentioned. In. Your agenda, and I like they've been

1254
01:29:28,876 --> 01:29:33,656
added to the record. Dated July 2 for both stormwater

1255
01:29:33,656 --> 01:29:36,776
and fire. Want the record to reflect that in there,

1256
01:29:36,776 --> 01:29:39,016
that can help Omar and others as they go forward,

1257
01:29:39,016 --> 01:29:42,176
but that's the evidentiary part of what we do because.

1258
01:29:43,393 --> 01:29:47,158
It's not just the budgeting and the money. There's. A

1259
01:29:47,158 --> 01:29:51,621
whole protect you from. Challenge aspect, you are protected, and

1260
01:29:51,621 --> 01:29:53,701
your attorney can talk to you about that. How that's

1261
01:29:53,701 --> 01:29:56,741
done. Then back to the timing issue. What I said,

1262
01:29:56,741 --> 01:30:03,214
by November, most communities. Don't dark chopping on the budget

1263
01:30:03,214 --> 01:30:07,970
until. February. Am I right? Correct. So by getting started

1264
01:30:07,970 --> 01:30:14,000
earlier and having a plan, Where you decision makers are.

1265
01:30:15,743 --> 01:30:19,665
Involved so that. When. Numbers come to you, there's not

1266
01:30:19,665 --> 01:30:24,865
disagreement because there's no end to I'd. Rather have this

1267
01:30:24,865 --> 01:30:28,225
funded and not that funded, and you need to figure

1268
01:30:28,225 --> 01:30:31,545
a way to speak. In unison as early as you

1269
01:30:31,545 --> 01:30:34,825
can. Your management and your staff need to help you

1270
01:30:34,825 --> 01:30:41,034
do that. What I can do. Is share with. Your.

1271
01:30:44,572 --> 01:30:48,652
Finance department. Some technology that we use for other customers.

1272
01:30:51,276 --> 01:30:54,916
To keep it. In simple terms, based upon our knowledge

1273
01:30:54,916 --> 01:30:57,596
of what you have, we can develop what I call

1274
01:30:57,596 --> 01:31:02,880
a one f calculator. If our rates are instead of

1275
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:09,319
$139. They're $95. What does that do to the rate?

1276
01:31:09,319 --> 01:31:13,239
And what is the revenue result? And that's the what

1277
01:31:13,239 --> 01:31:15,639
if issue. We did not have that available to us.

1278
01:31:16,876 --> 01:31:20,654
In 2013. We have progressed. And I will continue to

1279
01:31:20,654 --> 01:31:22,854
work with you on that. There are other issues that

1280
01:31:22,854 --> 01:31:25,574
I have to resolve with you with that regard. But

1281
01:31:25,574 --> 01:31:29,813
the whole point is, I want to emphasize. What Omar

1282
01:31:29,813 --> 01:31:35,570
has come here with is the. Oh, my God. If

1283
01:31:35,570 --> 01:31:37,370
we have to do that, I got to go up

1284
01:31:37,370 --> 01:31:41,657
to 93 on the millage. On the trim. Notice that

1285
01:31:41,657 --> 01:31:46,137
be protected or put this in place. Okay. Ms. Hoffman,

1286
01:31:46,137 --> 01:31:48,577
I apologize to you early. I'm going to apologize to

1287
01:31:48,577 --> 01:31:51,057
all you. I don't want you to think that I

1288
01:31:51,057 --> 01:31:55,018
didn't do something right here. But I'm happy to share

1289
01:31:55,018 --> 01:31:56,898
with you what's going on. Yeah, we appreciate your expertise.

1290
01:31:58,419 --> 01:32:01,019
It means a lot and we appreciate that. So we

1291
01:32:01,019 --> 01:32:04,613
had a resolutionary and I need. A motion for that

1292
01:32:04,613 --> 01:32:08,961
resolution to leave it as is. Mayor was I moved

1293
01:32:08,961 --> 01:32:12,241
that we leave the fire assessment as is? Do we

1294
01:32:12,241 --> 01:32:15,550
have a motion to leave it as is. Do I

1295
01:32:15,550 --> 01:32:17,590
have a second? 1st you have a second. All right,

1296
01:32:17,590 --> 01:32:19,190
we have a motion. Now we have a second. All

1297
01:32:19,190 --> 01:32:25,866
in favor, signify. All opposed? Nay. Thank you. Motion carry.

1298
01:32:25,866 --> 01:32:29,222
Are you leaving? Go back to Tallahassee tonight. I am

1299
01:32:29,222 --> 01:32:31,422
4 July tomorrow. Okay. I just wanted to make sure

1300
01:32:31,422 --> 01:32:33,222
because I wanted to move some. Things around because we

1301
01:32:33,222 --> 01:32:35,582
had some. Can we get the stormwater? Yeah, we're going

1302
01:32:35,582 --> 01:32:37,622
to. Do it. That's why. Actually, I thought you were.

1303
01:32:37,622 --> 01:32:41,262
Stand over. So we're going. To move around. Next item

1304
01:32:41,262 --> 01:32:47,523
is resolution 1880. Stormwater says. So this is the stormwater

1305
01:32:47,523 --> 01:32:50,003
assessment period for the city. We account for all the

1306
01:32:50,003 --> 01:32:53,763
stormwater. Revenues within its own fund. The projection for this

1307
01:32:53,763 --> 01:32:58,688
next year, based on the increases. In parcels is about

1308
01:32:58,688 --> 01:33:04,650
1.1 million, again dedicated. Strictly for the stormwater fund. Again,

1309
01:33:04,650 --> 01:33:08,210
no proposed changes, leaving it as status quo. And we

1310
01:33:08,210 --> 01:33:12,050
are recommending to approve it, as is. Any question for

1311
01:33:12,050 --> 01:33:15,530
our finance director? None. Here. I have one. Comment on

1312
01:33:15,530 --> 01:33:17,970
the resolution. There's a scripture's error. It refers to a

1313
01:33:17,970 --> 01:33:20,170
report of June 23. I brought it to the clerk.

1314
01:33:20,170 --> 01:33:23,673
Did you have desire's ability? It should be. July 2.

1315
01:33:23,673 --> 01:33:25,793
If I want to make that for the record, that

1316
01:33:25,793 --> 01:33:28,673
shouldn't affect any. Okay. All right, no problem. Do we

1317
01:33:28,673 --> 01:33:30,273
have to breed that into the record? I'm scribbling. It

1318
01:33:30,273 --> 01:33:33,451
there. Okay, no problem. All right, this time we're going

1319
01:33:33,451 --> 01:33:35,811
to open it up for public comments. Anyone from the

1320
01:33:35,811 --> 01:33:38,611
public wish to speak and reference this stormwater item, please

1321
01:33:38,611 --> 01:33:42,603
step forward to the podium, state's name and address. Then

1322
01:33:42,603 --> 01:33:44,883
we're going to close it and ask for introduction, resolution.

1323
01:33:46,668 --> 01:33:56,357
Mayor. I'll introduce resolution number 251880. Resolution number 25

1324
01:33:56,357 --> 01:34:00,437
1880. A resolution of the city. Of Haynes City, Florida,

1325
01:34:00,437 --> 01:34:06,317
approving the fiscal year 20 25 26 non avalorum assessment

1326
01:34:06,317 --> 01:34:12,138
role or stormwater management services. Facilities and programs, providing for

1327
01:34:12,138 --> 01:34:17,458
authority, providing for definitions, providing for findings, providing for direction

1328
01:34:17,458 --> 01:34:23,898
concerning interim assessments providing for ratification and confirmation of abortion

1329
01:34:23,898 --> 01:34:30,222
methods, directing certification. Of the assessment rule and collection pursuant

1330
01:34:30,222 --> 01:34:34,942
to the uniform Assessment Collection act. Conforming required notice in

1331
01:34:34,942 --> 01:34:40,902
imposing and levying stormwater management assessments, providing for additional notice

1332
01:34:40,902 --> 01:34:50,443
under section 200.69 Board of statutes. Ongoing. Work order,

1333
01:34:50,443 --> 01:34:54,603
direction and severability and providing an effective date move for

1334
01:34:54,603 --> 01:34:58,746
adoption. Sir, we have a motion. And second. All in

1335
01:34:58,746 --> 01:35:02,626
favor? Aye. All opposed? Thank you so much. Thank you

1336
01:35:02,626 --> 01:35:06,682
a heartfelt thank you to you all. I want to

1337
01:35:06,682 --> 01:35:10,719
be a resource to you. Thank you. At this time,

1338
01:35:10,719 --> 01:35:12,799
Brian. I know we always throw in your ride, Brian,

1339
01:35:12,799 --> 01:35:15,526
but I want to move. Something around. I want to

1340
01:35:15,526 --> 01:35:19,287
go to. AI and the request to enter into agreement

1341
01:35:19,287 --> 01:35:22,127
with Tim Co. That way, because I know they've been

1342
01:35:22,127 --> 01:35:25,047
sitting here from the historical society for some time and

1343
01:35:25,047 --> 01:35:28,653
we'll come back. Are you okay with that, Brian? So

1344
01:35:28,653 --> 01:35:30,293
if we're going to do that agreement, I think for

1345
01:35:30,293 --> 01:35:36,008
real. Good evening, mayor. Vice mayor. The attune of this

1346
01:35:36,008 --> 01:35:38,888
item is to seek approval to enter. Into an agreement

1347
01:35:38,888 --> 01:35:42,808
with Simcoe Construction, Inc. Or the old train depot building

1348
01:35:42,808 --> 01:35:46,688
Parish, you may recall the city commission provided a consensus

1349
01:35:46,688 --> 01:35:54,253
at the June 5, 2025 regular city. Commission meeting at

1350
01:35:54,253 --> 01:35:56,493
the old train depot building will serve as a new

1351
01:35:56,493 --> 01:36:00,573
location for the Haynes City Historical Museum. The agreement with

1352
01:36:00,573 --> 01:36:03,253
Simcoe Construction equip will address the need of repairs to

1353
01:36:03,253 --> 01:36:07,533
make the facility habitable and functional. That cost would be

1354
01:36:07,533 --> 01:36:14,078
$137,907 additional renovations. Have been requested by the. Haynes City

1355
01:36:14,078 --> 01:36:17,358
Historical Museum representatives and staff as secured a quote or

1356
01:36:17,358 --> 01:36:21,118
the desired renovations. The additional renovations would be an additional

1357
01:36:21,118 --> 01:36:30,020
$145,000, bringing the grand total to $283,000. Approximately $283,000.

1358
01:36:31,856 --> 01:36:37,981
The budget impact again would be that 283,852 26. This

1359
01:36:37,981 --> 01:36:41,261
is an unbudgeted request and staff request guidance from the

1360
01:36:41,261 --> 01:36:45,581
commission to enter into an agreement with Simcoe construction, so

1361
01:36:45,581 --> 01:36:48,461
it just needs some direction on how the commission would

1362
01:36:48,461 --> 01:36:51,301
like for us to proceed with this item. A question

1363
01:36:51,301 --> 01:36:54,972
reference to this item. Yes. I know I missed the

1364
01:36:54,972 --> 01:37:00,332
last meeting. When this item came before us. This quote

1365
01:37:00,332 --> 01:37:02,412
that we're receiving. This is for a portion of that

1366
01:37:02,412 --> 01:37:09,322
building. Be utilized. So. No, sir. This is for. Well,

1367
01:37:09,322 --> 01:37:12,162
the initial quote was for a portion of it, but

1368
01:37:12,162 --> 01:37:16,242
based off the last commission meeting, it was not necessarily

1369
01:37:16,242 --> 01:37:18,042
decided it was just going to be a certain portion

1370
01:37:18,042 --> 01:37:21,562
of the building. Throughout the building. There is a lot

1371
01:37:21,562 --> 01:37:23,362
of work that has to be done. So that first

1372
01:37:23,362 --> 01:37:26,670
initial quote is to bring that building up. To some

1373
01:37:26,670 --> 01:37:28,230
of the code and different things, and to make it

1374
01:37:28,230 --> 01:37:31,630
habitable would be the biggest. Part of it, but the

1375
01:37:31,630 --> 01:37:34,646
total amount would be for the entire. Interior of that

1376
01:37:34,646 --> 01:37:36,686
building and a few items on the exterior as well.

1377
01:37:38,424 --> 01:37:43,755
At this time. The decision was made to this entire

1378
01:37:43,755 --> 01:37:48,368
building is not going to the historical. At the last

1379
01:37:48,368 --> 01:37:53,577
meeting. There wasn't a consensus. It was actually correct. I

1380
01:37:53,577 --> 01:37:55,617
think they was going to share it and half of

1381
01:37:55,617 --> 01:37:59,889
was going to be. Like a gift shop with their

1382
01:37:59,889 --> 01:38:01,409
staff, and then they was going to share it with.

1383
01:38:03,215 --> 01:38:05,575
The gifts because they said that they can use half

1384
01:38:05,575 --> 01:38:07,575
of it and the other half can be a gift

1385
01:38:07,575 --> 01:38:12,165
shop. That's my understanding. But we have some representative here.

1386
01:38:12,165 --> 01:38:14,045
If it was different than I like. To hear from

1387
01:38:14,045 --> 01:38:16,325
them if that was different. But I think that's what

1388
01:38:16,325 --> 01:38:18,845
we talked about. But the whole building has to be

1389
01:38:18,845 --> 01:38:21,685
renovated, though. You can't just go in and just. Say

1390
01:38:21,685 --> 01:38:24,085
that's why the price is going to redo the whole

1391
01:38:24,085 --> 01:38:27,445
building and the historical society will be in that building.

1392
01:38:29,264 --> 01:38:32,626
With a coffee gift shop. We want to do the

1393
01:38:32,626 --> 01:38:34,746
whole building, not just part. And thank you for that.

1394
01:38:36,359 --> 01:38:38,828
My concern was. With the price that we paid for.

1395
01:38:40,906 --> 01:38:42,746
The builder to that building in itself. And now with

1396
01:38:42,746 --> 01:38:48,319
these renovations. I don't think this is necessarily. Being while

1397
01:38:48,319 --> 01:38:50,599
it is something that needs. Well, it was not a

1398
01:38:50,599 --> 01:38:53,789
good deal from the beginning. We cannot look at the

1399
01:38:53,789 --> 01:38:59,080
1 million that's got. Profitable. Decision for the city, but

1400
01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:05,076
we own it now. Our responsibility to make sure. We

1401
01:39:05,076 --> 01:39:08,775
don't want a building that. It's a code enforcement violation

1402
01:39:08,775 --> 01:39:09,695
zone, and we own a building, so we don't. Have

1403
01:39:09,695 --> 01:39:12,015
a choice. But we own it now. We got repair.

1404
01:39:12,015 --> 01:39:17,107
It's our ability. I have no issues with the repair

1405
01:39:17,107 --> 01:39:20,387
part. I mean, that's what something we bought and. Everything.

1406
01:39:20,387 --> 01:39:28,605
But once again, And for people looking, I do have

1407
01:39:28,605 --> 01:39:33,585
expertise. I'm a certified builder contractor, so I do work

1408
01:39:33,585 --> 01:39:35,905
in construction. So I do know what I'm talking about

1409
01:39:35,905 --> 01:39:38,745
when it comes to numbers. And I keep saying it

1410
01:39:38,745 --> 01:39:41,585
since I've been here. These numbers to me are just

1411
01:39:41,585 --> 01:39:47,068
crazy, ridiculous. The first section. Where I guess is what

1412
01:39:47,068 --> 01:39:49,628
the city wanted on the beginning, the 100 and something

1413
01:39:49,628 --> 01:39:55,698
thousand. What is it? 138,000, basically. Is really just to

1414
01:39:55,698 --> 01:40:00,721
remove little stuff and install. Two toilets in the restroom,

1415
01:40:00,721 --> 01:40:06,471
remove tables, paint. Electric switches. I mean, all that is

1416
01:40:06,471 --> 01:40:10,911
very simple, economical to me, what I see on this

1417
01:40:10,911 --> 01:40:15,715
scope. Where it doesn't even amount to maybe $50,000. And

1418
01:40:15,715 --> 01:40:17,835
I mean, we're talking about more than double what I

1419
01:40:17,835 --> 01:40:20,835
think this is worth the whole project to me shouldn't

1420
01:40:20,835 --> 01:40:27,258
be worth mainly the 100,000. It's all repairs. Like stock

1421
01:40:27,258 --> 01:40:30,138
or repair. Just a repair. It's not a whole. Building.

1422
01:40:30,138 --> 01:40:32,178
Even if you do, the whole building is probably less

1423
01:40:32,178 --> 01:40:38,573
than 20 grand. I just don't like these numbers. I

1424
01:40:38,573 --> 01:40:40,893
really don't like these numbers. And I know we are

1425
01:40:40,893 --> 01:40:45,100
known CRa, but there was something in CRA. Where. I

1426
01:40:45,100 --> 01:40:49,473
forgot. How much for installing windows? Something is not right.

1427
01:40:49,473 --> 01:40:54,959
We spending money. It's just ridiculous amount. I mean, we

1428
01:40:54,959 --> 01:40:58,359
have the dog part. 600. 700,000 for. What we got.

1429
01:41:00,175 --> 01:41:02,495
And I think at some point we need to really

1430
01:41:02,495 --> 01:41:08,395
start looking. Into other contractors. To get better prices, but

1431
01:41:08,395 --> 01:41:14,806
contractors are more. In the lower spectrum of, instead of

1432
01:41:14,806 --> 01:41:17,406
going to a bigger company, because those bigger companies, they

1433
01:41:17,406 --> 01:41:21,766
have a ridiculous amount of overhead, and a little contractor,

1434
01:41:21,766 --> 01:41:25,326
not little decent sized contractor, can do it for a

1435
01:41:25,326 --> 01:41:28,806
lot less than what those companies. I think it's time

1436
01:41:28,806 --> 01:41:32,214
to go out and start. Looking for others. I'm not

1437
01:41:32,214 --> 01:41:35,734
a big favor of. How do you call this? Continue

1438
01:41:35,734 --> 01:41:41,065
or whatever. If there were good numbers, I'll be fine.

1439
01:41:41,065 --> 01:41:44,465
But these numbers, I'm not fine. With it. Same thing

1440
01:41:44,465 --> 01:41:47,585
with the miles and wires. When we repair that field

1441
01:41:47,585 --> 01:41:52,895
that charges like $380. Just to install. A head sprinkle

1442
01:41:52,895 --> 01:41:55,455
head. They only cost them, like, $40. I thought they

1443
01:41:55,455 --> 01:41:57,975
were going. To replace the pipes and. No, it was

1444
01:41:57,975 --> 01:42:03,182
just replacing the head. Yeah. So anyways, I'm in favor

1445
01:42:03,182 --> 01:42:07,013
of fixing. Some of this. Maybe not the whole thing,

1446
01:42:07,013 --> 01:42:10,573
but some of this stuff. But the numbers are just.

1447
01:42:10,573 --> 01:42:14,341
Not. Sitting well with me. So obviously we've been doing

1448
01:42:14,341 --> 01:42:17,301
RFP and it will delay the project just like the

1449
01:42:17,301 --> 01:42:20,501
dog park. Understand that was not in continuing services project

1450
01:42:20,501 --> 01:42:25,352
that bidding our project. We presented. The proposals that was

1451
01:42:25,352 --> 01:42:28,752
from the companies that be, and again with Timco Construction,

1452
01:42:28,752 --> 01:42:32,472
this is their fees. But if there's direction to create

1453
01:42:32,472 --> 01:42:36,233
the scope being it out to see. What companies out

1454
01:42:36,233 --> 01:42:37,593
there want to put in the bed and see when

1455
01:42:37,593 --> 01:42:40,193
the cars come by that's correct. We're more than happy

1456
01:42:40,193 --> 01:42:44,063
to do that. We need to figure how to. Get

1457
01:42:44,063 --> 01:42:46,783
the word out to other contractors because we just put

1458
01:42:46,783 --> 01:42:49,783
it on those one or two websites. The main start

1459
01:42:49,783 --> 01:42:53,263
or whatever we use. Honestly, out of everybody that I

1460
01:42:53,263 --> 01:42:56,863
know, nobody knows the main. Stories exist, and I know

1461
01:42:56,863 --> 01:43:01,289
a lot of people. In the construction business. And whenever

1462
01:43:01,289 --> 01:43:04,969
I tell them, hey, go and beat on Haynes series,

1463
01:43:04,969 --> 01:43:07,169
like how? I'm like, well, there is this website, and

1464
01:43:07,169 --> 01:43:10,009
they don't know, so I think we got to find

1465
01:43:10,009 --> 01:43:13,329
out some of the other resource. There are other websites.

1466
01:43:13,329 --> 01:43:18,249
They're not. Tailored to municipalities, they're more to contractors. But

1467
01:43:18,249 --> 01:43:23,424
you get a pool. A ridiculous pool of contractors. They

1468
01:43:23,424 --> 01:43:26,744
cost a little bit, maybe cost you about $1500 to

1469
01:43:26,744 --> 01:43:31,856
$2,000 a year. To have that membership, but we need

1470
01:43:31,856 --> 01:43:34,736
to do something about our contractors. I think we wasted

1471
01:43:34,736 --> 01:43:39,833
a lot of money. In that. Yes. Might be recognized.

1472
01:43:39,833 --> 01:43:44,113
Thank you. Okay, so going back to the original vote.

1473
01:43:46,670 --> 01:43:51,830
I was under the impression that we voted on $138,000.

1474
01:43:51,830 --> 01:43:56,390
Now we have an additional $145,000 added to give us

1475
01:43:56,390 --> 01:44:01,831
that total of 283. And I wanted to know who

1476
01:44:01,831 --> 01:44:05,951
added all of this additional worth under new work added

1477
01:44:05,951 --> 01:44:11,562
if you noticed it here. Asking. For stucco and pavers

1478
01:44:11,562 --> 01:44:18,893
replacement. Removing the chain link fence and replacing it with

1479
01:44:18,893 --> 01:44:22,706
the rock iron stance. With a basic design and a

1480
01:44:22,706 --> 01:44:27,137
gate. There's nothing wrong with the fence. That's. There. So

1481
01:44:27,137 --> 01:44:29,257
this is where a lot of the money is coming

1482
01:44:29,257 --> 01:44:33,878
in, which is a bunch of cosmetic stuff. So who

1483
01:44:33,878 --> 01:44:37,758
approved this? To come up to a total of 283.

1484
01:44:39,319 --> 01:44:43,981
When we originally voted. For the 138 already, and now

1485
01:44:43,981 --> 01:44:48,953
we are being presented with an additional $145,000. I'm definitely

1486
01:44:48,953 --> 01:44:54,890
not in agreeance to spend an additional $145,000. With it.

1487
01:44:54,890 --> 01:44:57,370
So I don't know if we bid it out again

1488
01:44:57,370 --> 01:45:01,570
or if we take out this new work that's been

1489
01:45:01,570 --> 01:45:05,816
added since our last meeting. So can you tell me

1490
01:45:05,816 --> 01:45:09,056
who approved this additional work to be done? Because at

1491
01:45:09,056 --> 01:45:14,053
the last meeting, we received all of. The scope of

1492
01:45:14,053 --> 01:45:16,533
work that was going to be done. That gave us

1493
01:45:16,533 --> 01:45:20,573
that total of 138 and. That's what we voted and

1494
01:45:20,573 --> 01:45:26,414
we agreed to, and now. We're getting an additional $145,000

1495
01:45:26,414 --> 01:45:28,774
worth of work being done. So the last meeting. The

1496
01:45:28,774 --> 01:45:32,854
vote was not taking to spend $130,000. Well, it was

1497
01:45:32,854 --> 01:45:35,894
presented to us. As far as what the quote was

1498
01:45:35,894 --> 01:45:39,214
correct and what has happened through discussions with the historical

1499
01:45:39,214 --> 01:45:42,254
museum there were some requests. And again, instead of staff

1500
01:45:42,254 --> 01:45:44,908
making that decision, that. We're going to do this. That's

1501
01:45:44,908 --> 01:45:47,668
exactly why it's being bought before. The commission tonight for

1502
01:45:47,668 --> 01:45:50,508
the commission to make a determination on. Are we wanting

1503
01:45:50,508 --> 01:45:53,468
to stick with the original scope of work or we

1504
01:45:53,468 --> 01:45:57,828
wanting to do the additional work? Because my understanding is

1505
01:45:57,828 --> 01:46:02,524
or not. My understanding, staff has met. From representatives from

1506
01:46:02,524 --> 01:46:06,644
the historical museum, and this is their request. So again,

1507
01:46:08,491 --> 01:46:11,131
At the pleasure of the commission. Rather it's the 138

1508
01:46:11,131 --> 01:46:14,251
or if it's the total 283 again if we want.

1509
01:46:16,033 --> 01:46:19,833
To do an RFP to solicit additional quotes from contractors.

1510
01:46:21,336 --> 01:46:23,416
We stand for direction from the commission as far as

1511
01:46:23,416 --> 01:46:26,656
what you would like to see. Coming from the historical

1512
01:46:26,656 --> 01:46:29,536
society, from the old building that we utilize for this

1513
01:46:29,536 --> 01:46:32,296
building as well. So I do believe there are some

1514
01:46:32,296 --> 01:46:35,656
insurance funds that would be coming, if I recall correctly.

1515
01:46:35,656 --> 01:46:37,776
I believe it was 20 some thousand dollars, if I

1516
01:46:37,776 --> 01:46:41,744
recall. 24. But didn't they say at the last meeting

1517
01:46:41,744 --> 01:46:44,784
they had to verify if they can actually turn that

1518
01:46:44,784 --> 01:46:47,504
over to us because they're not going back into their

1519
01:46:47,504 --> 01:46:52,889
original building. Besides this. Okay, what about the insurance piece

1520
01:46:52,889 --> 01:46:58,801
of it? There's two different parts of the stadium. State

1521
01:46:58,801 --> 01:47:02,383
your name and address. Stacy stokes 91 45 lake cash

1522
01:47:02,383 --> 01:47:06,412
in the hall road, hayne city, florida. There's two different

1523
01:47:06,412 --> 01:47:11,879
portions of the insurance. One you've already received, right? The

1524
01:47:11,879 --> 01:47:18,610
24 we've already received. But. If you were. Going back

1525
01:47:18,610 --> 01:47:22,120
to the building, and there was. More work to be

1526
01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:25,280
done. It had to be pre approved. It wasn't money

1527
01:47:25,280 --> 01:47:28,240
that the insurance company was just paying out. They paid

1528
01:47:28,240 --> 01:47:32,198
out the 24. But if they got back and started

1529
01:47:32,198 --> 01:47:35,569
working on the building. And so larger scopes of work

1530
01:47:35,569 --> 01:47:41,917
or things that weren't part of the originals then. It

1531
01:47:41,917 --> 01:47:44,277
had to be the insurance have to upgrade going back

1532
01:47:44,277 --> 01:47:48,037
to your original building, not to the train depot, correct?

1533
01:47:48,037 --> 01:47:50,397
Yeah, because that insurance is for that building. So basically.

1534
01:47:51,629 --> 01:47:54,989
They got an assessment of 24,000. They got that. So

1535
01:47:54,989 --> 01:47:58,389
whenever they start working on that, building. If it goes

1536
01:47:58,389 --> 01:48:01,389
over 2000, 400,000, then they can go back to the

1537
01:48:01,389 --> 01:48:05,909
insurance and. Say, hey, we found this and you can

1538
01:48:05,909 --> 01:48:10,298
get additional, but it just would help you. And. The

1539
01:48:10,298 --> 01:48:13,671
night that the meeting. That I stood up here spoken.

1540
01:48:13,671 --> 01:48:19,320
We did the vote and all. I mean. What I

1541
01:48:19,320 --> 01:48:25,596
understood was. That you had approved. Voted for them to

1542
01:48:25,596 --> 01:48:29,341
go over there. They were to meet with Terrell and

1543
01:48:29,341 --> 01:48:33,967
his staff. Get out of scope of work. I don't

1544
01:48:33,967 --> 01:48:38,967
remember a dollar figure being put on that night. There

1545
01:48:38,967 --> 01:48:42,153
wasn't a dollar figure put on it that night. And

1546
01:48:42,153 --> 01:48:46,258
you guys. Told me them up there that the funds

1547
01:48:46,258 --> 01:48:51,143
were there. And that to meet with them. And make

1548
01:48:51,143 --> 01:48:54,103
that place right. We did agree that we would share

1549
01:48:54,103 --> 01:48:58,263
the building with the city for gift shop, coffee shop,

1550
01:48:58,263 --> 01:49:00,903
whatever comes in the future. That was part of that

1551
01:49:00,903 --> 01:49:06,103
agreement, so, yes, but. There was no dollar figure put

1552
01:49:06,103 --> 01:49:10,183
on the work. We were told the money was there

1553
01:49:10,183 --> 01:49:12,261
and to get it. Done. Correct, Mr. Mayor might be

1554
01:49:12,261 --> 01:49:16,514
with my husband, I think. Commission has commented. Thank you.

1555
01:49:17,693 --> 01:49:22,701
I was the one that made that motion. And. It

1556
01:49:22,701 --> 01:49:26,363
was not a dollar amount, but in that motion. In

1557
01:49:26,363 --> 01:49:30,149
the motion that I made. You are not responsible for

1558
01:49:30,149 --> 01:49:35,745
any repairs now. This is still the city building. It's

1559
01:49:35,745 --> 01:49:38,705
been our building for a while, and this is our

1560
01:49:38,705 --> 01:49:44,150
history that is going inside. Of that building. And our

1561
01:49:44,150 --> 01:49:49,162
history is something that. We definitely want to preserve and

1562
01:49:49,162 --> 01:49:51,802
take care of it. I've been to the old building.

1563
01:49:51,802 --> 01:49:56,267
Many a times, and it was really. Cramped in there.

1564
01:49:56,267 --> 01:49:59,827
So whatever they're asking for to bring that building up

1565
01:49:59,827 --> 01:50:03,187
to part it's. Our building, and I think that we

1566
01:50:03,187 --> 01:50:08,923
should do everything possible to make sure that. When people

1567
01:50:08,923 --> 01:50:14,130
come into downtown to look. At the history museum when

1568
01:50:14,130 --> 01:50:19,090
we get. The high speed rail in it gives something

1569
01:50:19,090 --> 01:50:21,370
for them to do, but they don't need to come

1570
01:50:21,370 --> 01:50:27,052
into. A building. Like the one across from the fire

1571
01:50:27,052 --> 01:50:29,772
station where you got to turn sideways to walk in

1572
01:50:29,772 --> 01:50:33,873
there. Because. There are so much things that people have

1573
01:50:33,873 --> 01:50:38,273
donated, so whatever they're asking for, I'm. Sure, is to

1574
01:50:38,273 --> 01:50:42,114
be able to put things on display. And at the

1575
01:50:42,114 --> 01:50:45,707
end of the day, It's still our building. So whatever

1576
01:50:45,707 --> 01:50:49,067
we decide to do to the building, it is going.

1577
01:50:49,067 --> 01:50:52,067
To be an improvement of a building that belongs to

1578
01:50:52,067 --> 01:50:56,157
the city of Haynes city. So I'm in favor. Of

1579
01:50:56,157 --> 01:50:59,371
that. Whatever it is going to be to bring that

1580
01:50:59,371 --> 01:51:05,169
building. Up to where is usable for our history. Okay.

1581
01:51:05,169 --> 01:51:08,484
Ms. Mayor might be recognized. I'll come back to you.

1582
01:51:08,484 --> 01:51:12,888
1 second. Okay? Thank you. Director Griffin. I know we

1583
01:51:12,888 --> 01:51:16,328
did not vote on a number, but prior to that

1584
01:51:16,328 --> 01:51:19,848
meeting, did we? Or did we not have those quotes

1585
01:51:19,848 --> 01:51:24,008
for 138,000? That is correct. So that meeting, the initial

1586
01:51:24,008 --> 01:51:26,768
scope of work that's on here is what staff had

1587
01:51:26,768 --> 01:51:30,568
received. Okay. And can you. Tell me when all the

1588
01:51:30,568 --> 01:51:33,694
additional work was. Added. The additional work was added after

1589
01:51:33,694 --> 01:51:38,206
the last meeting when the discussion was had. That basically

1590
01:51:38,206 --> 01:51:41,888
it was not free reign, but obviously. We got chastised.

1591
01:51:43,383 --> 01:51:46,103
For not allowing them to move in there. So based

1592
01:51:46,103 --> 01:51:49,583
off those conversations after that we met, had a list

1593
01:51:49,583 --> 01:51:55,163
of exactly what. The representatives from the historical. In essence,

1594
01:51:55,163 --> 01:51:59,923
this additional work was added after the fact because commissioner

1595
01:51:59,923 --> 01:52:07,132
Huffman stated that. We had the funds available. And then

1596
01:52:07,132 --> 01:52:12,383
they decided to add. Additional work that increased the price

1597
01:52:12,383 --> 01:52:17,686
from the 138. That wasn't just Commissioner Huffman statement. Well,

1598
01:52:17,686 --> 01:52:19,686
she just stated that she made the motion. She made

1599
01:52:19,686 --> 01:52:22,166
the motion. That's what she stated. Get us in the

1600
01:52:22,166 --> 01:52:24,766
building. Okay, Ms. Stacey. Give me 1 second. Thank you.

1601
01:52:24,766 --> 01:52:30,142
So I'm just trying to figure out. From Simcoe based

1602
01:52:30,142 --> 01:52:35,849
on them going in. In their proposal. And what needed

1603
01:52:35,849 --> 01:52:40,049
to bring this building up to code so the historical

1604
01:52:40,049 --> 01:52:44,528
society could take possession of this building. Based on that

1605
01:52:44,528 --> 01:52:49,408
$138,000 figure. But this additional work was just in addition.

1606
01:52:51,968 --> 01:52:56,328
To what the historical members would like to have, like

1607
01:52:56,328 --> 01:52:59,528
the pavers and things of that nature. But that was

1608
01:52:59,528 --> 01:53:02,528
not in the original quote that we received for the

1609
01:53:02,528 --> 01:53:06,088
$138,000. No. Ma'am. It was not. And I think part

1610
01:53:06,088 --> 01:53:09,208
of that, too, is based off the previous discussion that

1611
01:53:09,208 --> 01:53:12,178
the museum would take over the entire building while. Sharing

1612
01:53:12,178 --> 01:53:14,098
space with the coffee shop and all that, I think,

1613
01:53:14,098 --> 01:53:18,392
is what led to some of. The additional work under

1614
01:53:18,392 --> 01:53:24,633
the new work addict. Van Dyer for a second. But

1615
01:53:24,633 --> 01:53:26,473
I guess the option would be either you stay at

1616
01:53:26,473 --> 01:53:28,553
the original quote of the city or do you go

1617
01:53:28,553 --> 01:53:31,903
to the second quote? That's what you asked him from

1618
01:53:31,903 --> 01:53:36,103
this? Yes. Because either way, the amount exceeds city manager.

1619
01:53:36,103 --> 01:53:38,463
Lensky. That's right. Exactly. So it has to be our

1620
01:53:38,463 --> 01:53:41,303
approval. Either stay with the first or go with the

1621
01:53:41,303 --> 01:53:43,783
increase after meeting with the historical society. So at this

1622
01:53:43,783 --> 01:53:46,503
time I'm. Going to yield to meet Ms. Van Dyber.

1623
01:53:46,503 --> 01:53:50,497
Yes. State your name and address. Francis van dar 90

1624
01:53:50,497 --> 01:53:58,003
111 like Sel wrote. I don't think. In the hunt

1625
01:53:58,003 --> 01:54:03,252
first. I think they came up with. We did a

1626
01:54:03,252 --> 01:54:10,349
walk through with them. But the handicap. Availability to the

1627
01:54:10,349 --> 01:54:17,731
fire level. That wasn't in the original 138. Was it?

1628
01:54:17,731 --> 01:54:21,172
Yes, ma'am. It was installed in 88 Ram. Okay to

1629
01:54:21,172 --> 01:54:27,209
put an Ada ramp. In there would take up the

1630
01:54:27,209 --> 01:54:30,289
first room. Most of it, at least half of it.

1631
01:54:32,179 --> 01:54:34,739
So you're cutting down on the size of the building?

1632
01:54:36,181 --> 01:54:40,991
Of the usable space in the building. The two air

1633
01:54:40,991 --> 01:54:43,711
conditioners. I don't think we had anything to do with

1634
01:54:43,711 --> 01:54:47,551
that. We? Didn't know it, so that was not a

1635
01:54:47,551 --> 01:54:51,471
part of the initial scope. We knew nothing about the

1636
01:54:51,471 --> 01:54:56,327
air conditioners. I haven't looked at this list of what

1637
01:54:56,327 --> 01:55:04,372
was added. But that was our biggest concern was. The

1638
01:55:04,372 --> 01:55:10,131
endicap availability. To get up there. To make that area

1639
01:55:10,131 --> 01:55:14,851
usable to us for gift shop, coffee shop, or music,

1640
01:55:14,851 --> 01:55:20,633
whatever it was originally. At ground level. The whole building

1641
01:55:20,633 --> 01:55:28,526
was. The same level. This was added years later. The.

1642
01:55:31,113 --> 01:55:37,917
Bloating ramp. And that. Filled in. Originally there was a

1643
01:55:37,917 --> 01:55:45,432
cafeteria. Cafe. In that part.

1644
01:55:52,538 --> 01:55:54,858
I think what she's trying to allude to, and to

1645
01:55:54,858 --> 01:55:57,778
answer your question about the fence and things like that.

1646
01:55:59,148 --> 01:56:01,748
They went back in history. They looked at how the

1647
01:56:01,748 --> 01:56:06,001
building. Was prior to all the different things that have

1648
01:56:06,001 --> 01:56:08,961
been there, and their goal was to bring it. Back.

1649
01:56:10,129 --> 01:56:12,881
To what it looked like. Which would be if you

1650
01:56:12,881 --> 01:56:19,238
look at the additions taken out. That. Higher part where

1651
01:56:19,238 --> 01:56:22,238
they have blocked it out, filled in with or concreted

1652
01:56:22,238 --> 01:56:24,878
to make it higher. They wanted to bring it back

1653
01:56:24,878 --> 01:56:27,558
down to ground level, the way the original building was.

1654
01:56:29,328 --> 01:56:32,808
Because then you don't need the Ada ramp taken up

1655
01:56:32,808 --> 01:56:36,679
with the entry when you go. In. You'll be able

1656
01:56:36,679 --> 01:56:40,136
to access. This ground level just like it was originally.

1657
01:56:41,685 --> 01:56:43,765
The fence. They looked back at what the fence was

1658
01:56:43,765 --> 01:56:46,125
like when it was like that, and it was probably

1659
01:56:46,125 --> 01:56:48,645
then rolled iron where now it would probably be aluminum.

1660
01:56:48,645 --> 01:56:53,449
I'm not sure what that book was for aluminum. Those

1661
01:56:53,449 --> 01:56:56,609
are some of the things that, when they met with

1662
01:56:56,609 --> 01:56:59,689
Terrell and Darryl, that they looked at was bringing it

1663
01:56:59,689 --> 01:57:03,175
back. To the way that it was, which would help

1664
01:57:03,175 --> 01:57:09,176
eliminate some of the ADA requirements. The reason for the

1665
01:57:09,176 --> 01:57:14,760
road iron fence is. If you're traveling on the train

1666
01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:18,840
of passenger train in the same way, if sunrail comes

1667
01:57:18,840 --> 01:57:25,284
in. When you're going down. The track. We'll take one

1668
01:57:25,284 --> 01:57:30,086
part or just about anything. The first thing you see.

1669
01:57:31,646 --> 01:57:40,196
Is their deep buff. And that one looks awful. If

1670
01:57:40,196 --> 01:57:43,669
you're a pastor on the train. And it was like

1671
01:57:43,669 --> 01:57:47,029
one of our members said, she rides the train a

1672
01:57:47,029 --> 01:57:52,365
lot, and she was going up north. And. She went

1673
01:57:52,365 --> 01:57:55,485
past a couple of towns and they looked so neat

1674
01:57:55,485 --> 01:57:58,725
from the train that she would want to visit them.

1675
01:58:00,756 --> 01:58:03,608
So the next time. When she drove. She did visit

1676
01:58:03,608 --> 01:58:12,080
those towns. And. Toured them up because. When you're on

1677
01:58:12,080 --> 01:58:14,360
the train, and the same way when you put sunrail

1678
01:58:14,360 --> 01:58:17,080
in there. That's the first thing you're going to see.

1679
01:58:19,022 --> 01:58:23,982
All we asked for was. Just the length of the

1680
01:58:23,982 --> 01:58:29,903
depot. Not. The whole. Thing that fits now.

1681
01:58:34,224 --> 01:58:37,028
I think. A railroad requires you to have a bin.

1682
01:58:38,977 --> 01:58:44,285
Up there. To stop people from walking. Around that section

1683
01:58:44,285 --> 01:58:49,543
of the railroad. But all we ask for is just

1684
01:58:49,543 --> 01:58:54,461
section right behind. If it was aesthetic and to bring

1685
01:58:54,461 --> 01:58:58,199
it back to what it looked like. I don't think

1686
01:58:58,199 --> 01:59:02,629
anyone up here disagree with maybe. We bringing that building

1687
01:59:02,629 --> 01:59:07,109
up? Today's code and standard? I think the biggest question

1688
01:59:07,109 --> 01:59:12,263
is the amount the 280. I think that. What I

1689
01:59:12,263 --> 01:59:14,503
direct will probably be, and I can't speak for them,

1690
01:59:14,503 --> 01:59:18,743
is that this should go back out for RFP because

1691
01:59:18,743 --> 01:59:21,183
I think that we should probably rebid this to see

1692
01:59:21,183 --> 01:59:23,423
can we get a lower mouth? We have an expert

1693
01:59:23,423 --> 01:59:25,423
here that works in this field every day. Telling us.

1694
01:59:25,423 --> 01:59:28,991
Hey. You don't think that those numbers are right? We

1695
01:59:28,991 --> 01:59:35,524
agree with you. I agree that 138. We're not disagreeing

1696
01:59:35,524 --> 01:59:38,604
that. We want to get that feeling. It's our building.

1697
01:59:38,604 --> 01:59:41,044
Like commission. Huffman said we wanted to be presentable. We

1698
01:59:41,044 --> 01:59:43,644
don't want to look. Like a code enforcement violation, but

1699
01:59:43,644 --> 01:59:49,828
we also don't want to spend. I'm just looking here

1700
01:59:49,828 --> 01:59:52,588
at one part of it. I don't want 79 it's.

1701
01:59:52,588 --> 01:59:58,799
The central air condition system. At only a 3.5 ton,

1702
01:59:58,799 --> 02:00:06,701
which is. About a four bedroom house. They want $23,000

1703
02:00:06,701 --> 02:00:09,481
for that ac. When I know I can get the

1704
02:00:09,481 --> 02:00:13,730
AC for way less than ten grand. With new dogs

1705
02:00:13,730 --> 02:00:17,387
and everything. I can tell you, we replace acs all

1706
02:00:17,387 --> 02:00:21,950
the time. And we thought that price is very reasonable.

1707
02:00:21,950 --> 02:00:24,470
I can tell you the AC unit we put in.

1708
02:00:24,470 --> 02:00:28,990
The Oakland auditorium was upwards to almost $50,000. So some

1709
02:00:28,990 --> 02:00:33,460
of these units. Really seriously, we need to get. Let's

1710
02:00:33,460 --> 02:00:37,850
try to do this because time. I agree. Let's take

1711
02:00:37,850 --> 02:00:44,723
some action on this. Here's. Two things we can. Act

1712
02:00:44,723 --> 02:00:47,944
out the parks director. Take this back out. Our new

1713
02:00:47,944 --> 02:00:49,664
RFP. I know you all want to get into the

1714
02:00:49,664 --> 02:00:51,184
building, but we want to. Make sure we've done it

1715
02:00:51,184 --> 02:00:54,783
right. And bring it back with us. Maybe some proposals

1716
02:00:54,783 --> 02:00:58,263
may be our best proposal. So just to clarify, am

1717
02:00:58,263 --> 02:01:01,463
I getting an RFP for the scope for the initial

1718
02:01:01,463 --> 02:01:03,303
scope of work, or am I getting no for everything.

1719
02:01:04,930 --> 02:01:07,130
So whatever they act and whatever you have there, let's

1720
02:01:07,130 --> 02:01:09,730
do apples to apple and see. If this is because

1721
02:01:09,730 --> 02:01:11,970
I think that, and I'm going to agree with them,

1722
02:01:11,970 --> 02:01:14,530
I think that's probably too much. And I think we

1723
02:01:14,530 --> 02:01:17,090
put through another RFP. You should probably get a better

1724
02:01:17,090 --> 02:01:24,157
or lower rate, someone. That was what I wanted to

1725
02:01:24,157 --> 02:01:28,357
say. You have a lot of contractors in Hayne City?

1726
02:01:30,936 --> 02:01:33,456
I mean, Spacey's built a house, I've built a house.

1727
02:01:35,367 --> 02:01:39,896
You haven't heard of this company? We use local. Builders.

1728
02:01:42,147 --> 02:01:46,120
I know that you all have your boob ones. Do

1729
02:01:46,120 --> 02:01:50,192
you have a list of? Approved contractors that you'll use.

1730
02:01:51,845 --> 02:01:55,809
There is some, but. I don't know. The way I

1731
02:01:55,809 --> 02:02:02,209
say. The bigger companies. And we're just not getting the

1732
02:02:02,209 --> 02:02:04,449
best deal out of it. At least that's where I

1733
02:02:04,449 --> 02:02:07,849
see. I'm going to get really close into these numbers.

1734
02:02:09,576 --> 02:02:12,226
Personally this time. Item by item, I'm going to see

1735
02:02:12,226 --> 02:02:15,986
what numbers I can get myself to really see. But

1736
02:02:15,986 --> 02:02:18,066
just looking at this. Like I said, the AC for

1737
02:02:18,066 --> 02:02:22,189
sure. I just did a house and actually had a

1738
02:02:22,189 --> 02:02:25,549
four ton unit, and I think I paid like 8000.

1739
02:02:25,549 --> 02:02:30,103
Almost $9,000 for it. Three years ago. I replaced one.

1740
02:02:30,103 --> 02:02:35,296
It was $5,000. And the guy told me because I

1741
02:02:35,296 --> 02:02:37,656
was having problems with it, they come out, there was

1742
02:02:37,656 --> 02:02:40,656
nothing. Wrong with it, turns out. But he said to

1743
02:02:40,656 --> 02:02:46,828
replace that now it cost me $8,000. Yeah. Let's do

1744
02:02:46,828 --> 02:02:50,468
this. We're going to have to close this public comment

1745
02:02:50,468 --> 02:02:51,948
and then we're going to have to take some action

1746
02:02:51,948 --> 02:02:58,375
on this here. Also, let's also just keep in mind.

1747
02:03:00,050 --> 02:03:03,574
With these renovations and upgrades. We need to look to

1748
02:03:03,574 --> 02:03:06,734
make sure that we don't lose the status of that

1749
02:03:06,734 --> 02:03:11,014
building. Depending on what we're doing over there, because that

1750
02:03:11,014 --> 02:03:15,247
is. A historical site. And there's guidelines that we need

1751
02:03:15,247 --> 02:03:17,527
to follow, so we need to ensure that we are

1752
02:03:17,527 --> 02:03:20,727
following those guidelines before we look up, and now we've

1753
02:03:20,727 --> 02:03:25,339
lost that status. Of the builders. Yeah, I'm quite sure

1754
02:03:25,339 --> 02:03:29,501
staff understand, in a historical building, that they know. Mayor

1755
02:03:29,501 --> 02:03:35,241
was I want to ask. Is Van Dyer question. And

1756
02:03:35,241 --> 02:03:38,441
Stacey's looking, and she know always referenced her as Van

1757
02:03:38,441 --> 02:03:44,225
Diaper. He should have changed his name to Van Diver.

1758
02:03:44,225 --> 02:03:53,215
So to your mom, Mrs. Van Diver. Was that? Your

1759
02:03:53,215 --> 02:03:56,695
husband and father. That was the first fire chief that

1760
02:03:56,695 --> 02:04:01,975
we have that old fire engine in. Our fire department.

1761
02:04:01,975 --> 02:04:04,655
He wasn't a fire chief. He was the captain. The

1762
02:04:04,655 --> 02:04:09,821
captain? And he also became a city commissioner and mayor.

1763
02:04:11,576 --> 02:04:14,016
Of Haynes City after he was at the fire department.

1764
02:04:14,016 --> 02:04:19,639
Now you got to see our passion. Yeah. And he

1765
02:04:19,639 --> 02:04:23,599
also did. Bill Drummond, who was city manager, was also

1766
02:04:23,599 --> 02:04:28,094
an engineer. My husband was a land surveyor, and we

1767
02:04:28,094 --> 02:04:31,534
had a land survey in business for 35 years here.

1768
02:04:31,534 --> 02:04:35,702
In Hang city. He worked out of the building that's

1769
02:04:35,702 --> 02:04:42,773
on fifth. That's a house. Like a two story house

1770
02:04:42,773 --> 02:04:45,933
there. That was all. Okay, well, thank you. Such a

1771
02:04:45,933 --> 02:04:54,273
history buff. Him and Tommy Barlow. Started a fundraiser.

1772
02:04:55,822 --> 02:05:01,961
To restore that fire truck. And then. When the new.

1773
02:05:01,961 --> 02:05:04,241
I'm trying to remember if he was still on the

1774
02:05:04,241 --> 02:05:08,415
commission. I don't think he was. When they knew when

1775
02:05:08,415 --> 02:05:14,359
it was built. This one was built, but he was

1776
02:05:14,359 --> 02:05:20,866
in favor of that. Glass petition. And put in the

1777
02:05:20,866 --> 02:05:24,186
park in there. Looks good. And we even talked about

1778
02:05:24,186 --> 02:05:29,056
adding on to the Bermuse building. And putting the fire

1779
02:05:29,056 --> 02:05:33,142
truck there. But thought he would be best where it

1780
02:05:33,142 --> 02:05:37,758
is now. Well, thank you. Just know that me and

1781
02:05:37,758 --> 02:05:40,198
the fire chief will have to rustle you to move

1782
02:05:40,198 --> 02:05:47,466
that fire truck now. No. There's a room in the

1783
02:05:47,466 --> 02:05:55,360
outfit. That is dedicated. It was dedicated. To my husband.

1784
02:05:56,660 --> 02:06:04,013
Into myself. Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much. For

1785
02:06:04,013 --> 02:06:08,098
being a pioneer. So at this time. If I could

1786
02:06:08,098 --> 02:06:10,058
just address Ms. Stokes or something. Could I get a

1787
02:06:10,058 --> 02:06:14,670
copy of the pictures? That you gave to the commission.

1788
02:06:14,670 --> 02:06:24,610
For the record, please. Go. Okay, just so

1789
02:06:24,610 --> 02:06:30,586
I have one. So at this time. In reference to

1790
02:06:30,586 --> 02:06:34,562
the request for the grievance of Simcoe construction. What's your

1791
02:06:34,562 --> 02:06:41,954
pleasure? Ladies and gentlemen. Mr mayor. If I may. I

1792
02:06:41,954 --> 02:06:44,474
do think that we do need to take this back

1793
02:06:44,474 --> 02:06:48,186
out. I'm very familiar with the exact same program. I've

1794
02:06:48,186 --> 02:06:52,155
used it for several years. Some of these numbers are

1795
02:06:52,155 --> 02:06:57,429
definitely. Abnormal, especially the ones which is overhead and profit

1796
02:06:57,429 --> 02:07:01,747
on a lot of these items. I also agree that.

1797
02:07:04,024 --> 02:07:09,021
We do need. I guess the estimate for the entire.

1798
02:07:10,611 --> 02:07:12,451
Scope of work, and I guess we can go from

1799
02:07:12,451 --> 02:07:15,171
there. I don't agree that we should just necessarily make

1800
02:07:15,171 --> 02:07:17,891
a decision to move forward with it tonight. But I

1801
02:07:17,891 --> 02:07:19,371
think if we go ahead and just at least get

1802
02:07:19,371 --> 02:07:24,609
that estimate back then from there. With a couple. Take

1803
02:07:24,609 --> 02:07:29,864
it back for RFP and bring it back. Lower rate

1804
02:07:29,864 --> 02:07:38,180
than what we get. That'll be correct. Correctly. Griffin wanted

1805
02:07:38,180 --> 02:07:40,820
to know if you wanted to just do the scope

1806
02:07:40,820 --> 02:07:45,021
of work or with the. Apples. That way we'll know

1807
02:07:45,021 --> 02:07:48,701
everything. Like I said, you emphasize everything. Don't change. What

1808
02:07:48,701 --> 02:07:50,181
we have. We just want to see what the rate.

1809
02:07:50,181 --> 02:07:52,381
So we have a motion and a second to send

1810
02:07:52,381 --> 02:07:54,581
it back out for an rfps here. We get a

1811
02:07:54,581 --> 02:07:57,181
better rate, we may. Or may not. If not, we

1812
02:07:57,181 --> 02:08:00,341
come back with that. So, all in favor, signify Sen.

1813
02:08:00,341 --> 02:08:04,927
Aye. All opposed? Thank you so much. We'll go back

1814
02:08:04,927 --> 02:08:09,921
to Brian. It's a state fund. State grant. Funding for

1815
02:08:09,921 --> 02:08:19,643
fight. Man, I thought that was the last. One. You

1816
02:08:19,643 --> 02:08:25,643
all could save on your electric bill is reasoning. We'll

1817
02:08:25,643 --> 02:08:29,043
do something about that. All right, Brian, is your show

1818
02:08:29,043 --> 02:08:32,683
all right? Good evening. The purpose of this agenda item

1819
02:08:32,683 --> 02:08:40,289
is to contract with the city's vendor to install. Fiber

1820
02:08:40,289 --> 02:08:44,689
optic cabling to help support the city and its endeavors

1821
02:08:44,689 --> 02:08:49,424
to have redundant fiber optic network. Great question for Brian.

1822
02:08:53,688 --> 02:08:58,522
None here, no. Is this from? Grant or just something

1823
02:08:58,522 --> 02:09:02,162
that we doing. The state is funding the whole portion

1824
02:09:02,162 --> 02:09:05,042
that we are doing. With this particular project is being

1825
02:09:05,042 --> 02:09:08,442
funded totally by the state. Perfect. Thank you. Okay, that's.

1826
02:09:08,442 --> 02:09:12,408
Good. Big fund. Oh, yeah? This time we're going to

1827
02:09:12,408 --> 02:09:14,328
open it up for public comments. Anyone from the public?

1828
02:09:17,544 --> 02:09:21,442
From the public. From the public. Address, then I'm going

1829
02:09:21,442 --> 02:09:28,846
to close it. Motion to approve.

1830
02:09:31,756 --> 02:09:36,209
Motion? Second. All in favor? Cisco equipment and enterprise. That's

1831
02:09:36,209 --> 02:09:39,609
you again. Yes, sir. Purpose of this item is to

1832
02:09:39,609 --> 02:09:43,409
get. Approval to continue the maintenance contract for the city's

1833
02:09:43,409 --> 02:09:49,370
secure networking equipment. This is a three year term, which.

1834
02:09:51,121 --> 02:09:52,641
Should be at least the network that we have now

1835
02:09:52,641 --> 02:09:54,521
should last at least three more years, so. We need

1836
02:09:54,521 --> 02:09:56,241
to keep that under maintenance so we can make sure

1837
02:09:56,241 --> 02:09:59,761
we always get the latest updates. And patches to keep

1838
02:09:59,761 --> 02:10:05,066
the city secure. Any question for Brian river today? No

1839
02:10:05,066 --> 02:10:13,115
question. Is this on budget, right? I want this. Something

1840
02:10:13,115 --> 02:10:20,275
you're requesting out about. Part of it was budgeted, but

1841
02:10:20,275 --> 02:10:24,704
not the whole amount. We worked a deal out with

1842
02:10:24,704 --> 02:10:28,784
the vendor. So the 18,000 is in this year's? Budget,

1843
02:10:28,784 --> 02:10:31,504
and then we'll budget accordingly in the subsequent years to

1844
02:10:31,504 --> 02:10:38,010
cover the expenses. May I be recognized? Okay. Thank you.

1845
02:10:38,010 --> 02:10:42,690
So, can you tell me what the 594, the total?

1846
02:10:42,690 --> 02:10:49,063
Amount financed. Because. Is that over the next two years.

1847
02:10:49,063 --> 02:10:51,945
Two years? Or three years. Next three and a half

1848
02:10:51,945 --> 02:10:57,772
years. So we'll spend almost $600,000, correct? And this is

1849
02:10:57,772 --> 02:11:00,412
the first year or we are in it. We've been

1850
02:11:00,412 --> 02:11:06,688
in it for three years already. Okay. Any more questions.

1851
02:11:12,423 --> 02:11:13,703
At this time, we're going to open it up. Public

1852
02:11:13,703 --> 02:11:16,903
comments. Anyone wish to speak comfort? State your name and

1853
02:11:16,903 --> 02:11:21,095
address. Correct. Then I'm going to close this. Mayor was

1854
02:11:21,095 --> 02:11:27,741
I moved that we approve. Item eight, J for the

1855
02:11:27,741 --> 02:11:34,327
three year term. Do we have a second? 2nd motion

1856
02:11:34,327 --> 02:11:37,697
now we have a second. All in favor? Aye. All

1857
02:11:37,697 --> 02:11:40,297
right, let's move on. Item eight K has been dropped,

1858
02:11:40,297 --> 02:11:42,537
and we'll bring that back at a later date. I

1859
02:11:42,537 --> 02:11:45,337
don't think we even had a date yet, just. Been

1860
02:11:45,337 --> 02:11:54,755
removed. Andrew riley. Vacate. AK has been relocational bible for

1861
02:11:54,755 --> 02:11:59,230
Andrew Riley. That's correct. Yes. We don't need to bring

1862
02:11:59,230 --> 02:12:06,074
that. Okay. Because my question would have been, what do

1863
02:12:06,074 --> 02:12:09,594
you mean? Relocational? You dug it up somewhere or. You,

1864
02:12:09,594 --> 02:12:12,354
couldn't it? The new buildings. It's in the way of

1865
02:12:12,354 --> 02:12:17,057
the new building. Okay, well. They've been taking. The next

1866
02:12:17,057 --> 02:12:22,291
item. Extension provider to fire station number three. Purpose of

1867
02:12:22,291 --> 02:12:24,611
this one is just to extend the city's fiber optic

1868
02:12:24,611 --> 02:12:27,411
network into the new fire station. When we did the

1869
02:12:27,411 --> 02:12:29,891
initial, we stopped short of the property line because we

1870
02:12:29,891 --> 02:12:32,091
didn't know where the building was going to be, driveways

1871
02:12:32,091 --> 02:12:33,611
and everything else. We didn't. Want to have to pay

1872
02:12:33,611 --> 02:12:35,171
to put something in and then pay to rip it

1873
02:12:35,171 --> 02:12:38,291
out and move. It. So we kind of stopped short,

1874
02:12:38,291 --> 02:12:43,181
and now we're finishing. That line so we can bring

1875
02:12:43,181 --> 02:12:47,410
that new station on. Any question for Brian reference. We're

1876
02:12:47,410 --> 02:12:49,010
going to open it up. Anyone wants to speak step

1877
02:12:49,010 --> 02:12:54,107
four, states name, then we're going to close it. Motion

1878
02:12:54,107 --> 02:12:58,038
to approve second. Motion and a second. All in favor?

1879
02:12:58,038 --> 02:13:04,541
Aye. Next item is general employee pension board application. That's

1880
02:13:04,541 --> 02:13:12,876
you. City clerk. Sort of. So we have some vacancies

1881
02:13:12,876 --> 02:13:16,854
on both. The General Employee Pension Board and the police

1882
02:13:16,854 --> 02:13:20,934
pension board. So we have applications submitted for your consideration.

1883
02:13:20,934 --> 02:13:25,014
If you have any specific questions to the pension itself,

1884
02:13:25,014 --> 02:13:27,854
we can forward that onto the consultant we did not

1885
02:13:27,854 --> 02:13:30,254
have them come out here. As he's in Largo. I

1886
02:13:30,254 --> 02:13:34,747
just feel that. Would be cost effective. But the general

1887
02:13:34,747 --> 02:13:40,465
terms of the pension agreement. Is. That the candidate should

1888
02:13:40,465 --> 02:13:44,658
live within the city limits of Haynes City. Am I

1889
02:13:44,658 --> 02:13:48,476
saying that correctly? That's basically it. So you can look

1890
02:13:48,476 --> 02:13:52,574
at the application. We only have, I think, two for

1891
02:13:52,574 --> 02:13:58,907
the suspension and. One. For the general employee. One. Two

1892
02:13:58,907 --> 02:14:01,587
for the police and one for general. Okay. And these

1893
02:14:01,587 --> 02:14:04,907
are opening. Right? Yes. These are vacant positions. Okay, so

1894
02:14:04,907 --> 02:14:07,907
yes, all we need, just need approval from this diaspora.

1895
02:14:07,907 --> 02:14:12,385
Correct. Yes. All right. Any question, reference? Yes, Mr. Mayor.

1896
02:14:12,385 --> 02:14:17,882
Good. Thank you. On these applications, Sharon. Where is.

1897
02:14:22,724 --> 02:14:25,284
Their address? Because how do we know they live in

1898
02:14:25,284 --> 02:14:29,430
the city of Hayne city? Because none of them. Have

1899
02:14:29,430 --> 02:14:35,705
listed. Their address. In the city. There was a question.

1900
02:14:38,223 --> 02:14:45,391
Right. Are they? Law officers. The clerk's office did look

1901
02:14:45,391 --> 02:14:51,461
at the employees, the names, and then confirmed. With guitars

1902
02:14:51,461 --> 02:14:58,648
to where they live. Thank you. So. Is a little.

1903
02:14:59,087 --> 02:15:02,487
Police that has two people or two. No. We just

1904
02:15:02,487 --> 02:15:07,016
need approval to say yes. The applications we've presented. You're

1905
02:15:07,016 --> 02:15:09,856
okay with that? We did the back part to make

1906
02:15:09,856 --> 02:15:13,454
sure that they live within the city. So there were

1907
02:15:13,454 --> 02:15:16,214
two openings? I believe there was two for the police

1908
02:15:16,214 --> 02:15:20,705
and one for general employee. But you have four names,

1909
02:15:20,705 --> 02:15:26,690
right? Okay, so break it down. Who's for what I

1910
02:15:26,690 --> 02:15:36,284
believe. Correct. General employee pension board. And she was the

1911
02:15:36,284 --> 02:15:39,478
only one. Well, then that was that. And then another

1912
02:15:39,478 --> 02:15:43,238
one came that I wasn't aware yet, but. There's only

1913
02:15:43,238 --> 02:15:51,733
one. Position. One space for that board. So you have

1914
02:15:51,733 --> 02:15:55,693
four names, but you have three spots. Correct. So. We

1915
02:15:55,693 --> 02:15:57,933
approving four names or three, but you got to pick.

1916
02:16:11,133 --> 02:16:19,105
That? Oh, days two. Okay. All right. What's your place?

1917
02:16:21,521 --> 02:16:24,241
But on the pension board, there was another application that.

1918
02:16:28,488 --> 02:16:33,467
We didn't receive. Yeah, but that's a different item, right?

1919
02:16:33,467 --> 02:16:38,361
No, the general employee. The general employee received two. That's

1920
02:16:38,361 --> 02:16:46,800
for Thomas Dempsey and Lasandro Rivera. Correct. I don't know

1921
02:16:46,800 --> 02:16:50,584
either, so. They both meet it. I'll say whoever is

1922
02:16:50,584 --> 02:17:00,522
a Lostonder Riviera, that's my vote. Who else? Anyone else?

1923
02:17:02,521 --> 02:17:05,961
I don't know either one either, but I would say

1924
02:17:05,961 --> 02:17:14,937
Lasania. Okay. All right, so we need somebody to make

1925
02:17:14,937 --> 02:17:20,405
a motion because we. 're need a form of emotion

1926
02:17:20,405 --> 02:17:26,951
to slate the Sonia Riviera. As our general pension. I

1927
02:17:26,951 --> 02:17:30,151
make a motion to select Lisandra Rivera? Hold on a

1928
02:17:30,151 --> 02:17:32,231
second. Let's back up. I'm opening up the public comments

1929
02:17:32,231 --> 02:17:36,258
in reference to this item. Anyone wish to speak? Name.

1930
02:17:37,631 --> 02:17:42,995
Make a motion to select Lisandra and Rivera. We have

1931
02:17:42,995 --> 02:17:47,108
a motion? Do we have a second? I'll say. All

1932
02:17:47,108 --> 02:17:49,228
right, now we have a second. Do. All in favor?

1933
02:17:49,228 --> 02:17:53,914
Aye. Okay? She will be on the general pension. Now

1934
02:17:53,914 --> 02:17:56,834
we're going to move to the police. Pension board out.

1935
02:17:56,834 --> 02:18:01,175
How many openings is there for that? Two, I believe.

1936
02:18:01,175 --> 02:18:07,214
Omar believes you got four. Names four people. And there

1937
02:18:07,214 --> 02:18:09,174
was three, and I don't know if you want us

1938
02:18:09,174 --> 02:18:10,934
to come up with. A different way of how to

1939
02:18:10,934 --> 02:18:12,694
do that. It's very hard. Like, how do you pick?

1940
02:18:12,694 --> 02:18:15,134
This one over this because it's just employees that are

1941
02:18:15,134 --> 02:18:24,578
interested in serving. Well. I think we should ask, why

1942
02:18:24,578 --> 02:18:28,453
do they want to serve on the board? What experience

1943
02:18:28,453 --> 02:18:32,441
do they bring? That's what would help me. Just why

1944
02:18:32,441 --> 02:18:37,810
do you want to be a representative? And have him

1945
02:18:37,810 --> 02:18:43,643
redo the application. I don't know if. He's a former

1946
02:18:43,643 --> 02:18:51,053
police officer, right? They all, officer? All of them. This

1947
02:18:51,053 --> 02:18:55,693
one is Hayne, City Police Department officer. This is Mr.

1948
02:18:55,693 --> 02:19:00,747
Steven John. Mr. Brittany. Same thing. Hence the police department.

1949
02:19:00,747 --> 02:19:05,311
Police officer. Bridge. Rodriguez. Same thing. Police officer in Hang

1950
02:19:05,311 --> 02:19:11,320
City and Mr. Brown. Is a retire. Let me ask

1951
02:19:11,320 --> 02:19:14,859
you this question. You got a chief? I'm quite sure

1952
02:19:14,859 --> 02:19:19,893
all these police officer or former police officer. You've been

1953
02:19:19,893 --> 02:19:23,003
there for a while, right, Steve? You should be able

1954
02:19:23,003 --> 02:19:24,403
to give us a background about some of them, right?

1955
02:19:26,064 --> 02:19:30,709
All four of them? Yeah. To me. It will be

1956
02:19:30,709 --> 02:19:32,629
the best person to tell us about them will be

1957
02:19:32,629 --> 02:19:34,229
him, you say? You want to know about them, so

1958
02:19:34,229 --> 02:19:36,749
we don't really know. I know Ron brown and. I

1959
02:19:36,749 --> 02:19:38,709
ain't in favor with Ron Brown. I stand on the

1960
02:19:38,709 --> 02:19:42,423
mic and said off the mic. Are you in favor

1961
02:19:42,423 --> 02:19:48,500
of him? I. Called Richard Rodriguez. I didn't know he

1962
02:19:48,500 --> 02:19:51,740
was an officer. Yeah, he was the community service. Officer.

1963
02:19:52,987 --> 02:19:55,067
But about two years ago, he became a full time

1964
02:19:55,067 --> 02:19:59,584
police officer. Sent him to the police academy. I must

1965
02:19:59,584 --> 02:20:02,584
be thinking about someone else. I know he. I'm thinking

1966
02:20:02,584 --> 02:20:09,392
of the Richard Rodriguez. That does the police chronicles. On.

1967
02:20:11,205 --> 02:20:13,845
Facebook. He does. He does. Those two. Okay, so we

1968
02:20:13,845 --> 02:20:15,485
think of the same person. I didn't. Know it worked

1969
02:20:15,485 --> 02:20:21,906
for these semi famous there. What about Steven? Mr. Evans.

1970
02:20:21,906 --> 02:20:27,303
Evans? Yeah, he's been at the agency. For about. Eight

1971
02:20:27,303 --> 02:20:30,343
or nine. He's still there? Yeah, he's still there. So

1972
02:20:30,343 --> 02:20:33,503
Mr. Steven has been there about eight years. Eight years?

1973
02:20:33,503 --> 02:20:40,494
How about. Ms Brittany Tara has been there about. Two

1974
02:20:40,494 --> 02:20:45,958
and three years. Two and three and. Mr. Rodriguez. He's

1975
02:20:45,958 --> 02:20:47,838
been an officer for two years, and he's a code

1976
02:20:47,838 --> 02:20:51,718
officer for us. For a couple of years before that,

1977
02:20:51,718 --> 02:20:57,078
and he has about 25, 27 years previous law enforcement

1978
02:20:57,078 --> 02:20:59,678
experience. I'm tired from up north and I guess the

1979
02:20:59,678 --> 02:21:09,415
mayor's favor, he's. Been retired for a while. I love

1980
02:21:09,415 --> 02:21:14,553
the experience in Richard Rodriguez that because. Of being around

1981
02:21:14,553 --> 02:21:18,262
that long. You should understand pensions and stuff. He's very

1982
02:21:18,262 --> 02:21:23,729
dedicated for you. Yeah. That many years. I'll tell you.

1983
02:21:23,729 --> 02:21:24,969
I can pick my spin. I don't really know. I

1984
02:21:24,969 --> 02:21:27,489
don't. Want no one that's on this list. I think

1985
02:21:27,489 --> 02:21:31,763
Steven Evans based what you said in Richard Rodriguez. And

1986
02:21:31,763 --> 02:21:35,926
I will follow the mayor. With the same two options.

1987
02:21:35,926 --> 02:21:40,055
That's based on what the teachers that I. Too, would

1988
02:21:40,055 --> 02:21:46,690
be Richard. Packen? I hope not.

1989
02:21:50,208 --> 02:21:55,280
Be ready. Almost him. Ron Brown. I think I'm going

1990
02:21:55,280 --> 02:22:00,923
to go with. The mayor's recommendation based off of the

1991
02:22:00,923 --> 02:22:08,327
information. All right, Mr. Dan. Born with the mayor's suggestion.

1992
02:22:08,327 --> 02:22:10,447
All right, we have those two. We need someone now.

1993
02:22:10,447 --> 02:22:13,003
We're going to open it up. Thank you. Open it

1994
02:22:13,003 --> 02:22:16,621
up for public comments. Anyone we can speak? Your name

1995
02:22:16,621 --> 02:22:18,701
and address, then. Now we're going to close it, and

1996
02:22:18,701 --> 02:22:20,781
then we're. Going to have someone make a motion for

1997
02:22:20,781 --> 02:22:24,248
those two names. May you make a motion that we

1998
02:22:24,248 --> 02:22:30,687
approve. Richard rodriguez. And Steve John Evans for the police

1999
02:22:30,687 --> 02:22:40,548
pension board. That we should vote separately because

2000
02:22:40,548 --> 02:22:43,028
I agree with one of your people. But I still

2001
02:22:43,028 --> 02:22:46,228
have someone. That you all didn't list. Yeah, I'm understanding,

2002
02:22:46,228 --> 02:22:49,188
but those two names is the. Majority, then it will

2003
02:22:49,188 --> 02:22:54,130
be. Yeah, but. We can do a roll call. I

2004
02:22:54,130 --> 02:22:58,534
think it should be. Separate name. Exactly. Oh, you want

2005
02:22:58,534 --> 02:23:01,616
to separate? No problem. You can make change in the

2006
02:23:01,616 --> 02:23:05,933
state you most. I make a motion to approve. First

2007
02:23:05,933 --> 02:23:10,781
Richard Rodriguez for the police pension board. We have a

2008
02:23:10,781 --> 02:23:13,461
motion? Do we have a second for resort? Thank you.

2009
02:23:13,461 --> 02:23:18,450
All in favor? Okay, now we need the second person

2010
02:23:18,450 --> 02:23:21,970
who need to make a motion for that. I'm a

2011
02:23:21,970 --> 02:23:28,381
commotion. For Ron Brown. Okay, we have a motion for

2012
02:23:28,381 --> 02:23:30,781
Ron Brown. Do we have a second for Ron? Brown.

2013
02:23:33,051 --> 02:23:35,571
No seconds for a die from 11 seconds. So there

2014
02:23:35,571 --> 02:23:38,731
are other names on anybody will make another. Motion. I

2015
02:23:38,731 --> 02:23:47,198
make a motion. To. Get a Steve John Evans for

2016
02:23:47,198 --> 02:23:50,198
the police pension board. We have a motion for Steven

2017
02:23:50,198 --> 02:23:57,188
Devins. We have second. All in favor? Aye. Move her

2018
02:23:57,188 --> 02:24:05,979
along. State of manager report. Sir. Mayor, due to. I'll

2019
02:24:05,979 --> 02:24:08,099
make it very short. The governor didn't give us a

2020
02:24:08,099 --> 02:24:11,059
reason why he cut us. He had a very clean

2021
02:24:11,059 --> 02:24:14,419
budget, but betoed us on those two items, and we

2022
02:24:14,419 --> 02:24:18,772
don't know why, but it's very frustrating. That's my. Wish

2023
02:24:18,772 --> 02:24:26,233
you had some more. This dias worked hard to get.

2024
02:24:27,881 --> 02:24:30,161
To James King and I think because he gave 10

2025
02:24:30,161 --> 02:24:34,201
million to Pope state paint city camping Hayne City 10

2026
02:24:34,201 --> 02:24:37,001
million and they already said I just gave him 10

2027
02:24:37,001 --> 02:24:39,761
million for hanging to the public, state, campus or whatever.

2028
02:24:39,761 --> 02:24:43,777
Then it comes to something else. I think that's what

2029
02:24:43,777 --> 02:24:47,975
really hurt. That's just my opinion. I think that. Thankful

2030
02:24:47,975 --> 02:24:50,535
for Pope State College being able to get. Oh, yeah,

2031
02:24:50,535 --> 02:24:58,927
because. All the front walls are done. I'll make this

2032
02:24:58,927 --> 02:25:07,656
quick. First. I need.

2033
02:25:09,440 --> 02:25:11,120
A consensus on who you'd like to nominate to be

2034
02:25:11,120 --> 02:25:17,039
the. Voting. Delegate at the annual conference announcement. I have

2035
02:25:17,039 --> 02:25:18,959
to send that up to them. I think it's. Time

2036
02:25:18,959 --> 02:25:20,959
for someone else to get some experience doing the voting.

2037
02:25:20,959 --> 02:25:25,727
Delegate for the FLC. I agree, Mr. Man. You want

2038
02:25:25,727 --> 02:25:34,142
me to do. I would take that on. So we

2039
02:25:34,142 --> 02:25:38,723
have a consistent vice chance being the voter delegates. Yes.

2040
02:25:41,365 --> 02:25:45,103
And. There was some conversation and I wanted to bring

2041
02:25:45,103 --> 02:25:51,580
it publicly. With. Getting our group picture done properly. There

2042
02:25:51,580 --> 02:25:56,300
was a conversation about costs. There was conversation about possibly

2043
02:25:56,300 --> 02:26:01,670
looking for another photographer. Different opinions right now. I have

2044
02:26:01,670 --> 02:26:04,790
scheduled a photographer that we use the sheriff's office uses.

2045
02:26:07,385 --> 02:26:11,025
And most of the municipalities here on the ridge uses,

2046
02:26:11,025 --> 02:26:12,745
which is the current one that we have. He's been

2047
02:26:12,745 --> 02:26:15,665
doing it. We have worked with him on his cost

2048
02:26:15,665 --> 02:26:19,866
to bring it down. And I have that scheduled for

2049
02:26:19,866 --> 02:26:21,866
the next meeting, the 7th meeting for him to be

2050
02:26:21,866 --> 02:26:26,666
here, but. Everybody to be in their Sunday best prior.

2051
02:26:27,169 --> 02:26:34,204
Jesus, what kind of meetings we have? We have a

2052
02:26:34,204 --> 02:26:38,503
workshop with Melanie Bell. No, I'm sorry. We have a

2053
02:26:38,503 --> 02:26:43,091
July. We have a workshop with Cindy Jenimasa. What time

2054
02:26:43,091 --> 02:26:52,729
is that? I could schedule him for five. Minutes.

2055
02:26:52,729 --> 02:26:58,832
Cynthia should. Cindy shouldn't be. 530. I'll have him come

2056
02:26:58,832 --> 02:27:03,430
at five, set up. Correct. And if she can send

2057
02:27:03,430 --> 02:27:05,790
us something which she's going to be talking to, that

2058
02:27:05,790 --> 02:27:15,329
way. He does it very. Minute. So

2059
02:27:15,329 --> 02:27:21,827
530, the pictures. We can do her at six. Okay.

2060
02:27:23,165 --> 02:27:28,590
Beginning to not feel. I forgot we screaming.

2061
02:27:33,334 --> 02:27:38,534
Anything else? No. I don't have anything this evening. Yes,

2062
02:27:38,534 --> 02:27:47,781
thank you. I just want to say this for the

2063
02:27:47,781 --> 02:27:54,066
purpose of those that are watching on stream. That I'm

2064
02:27:54,066 --> 02:27:57,146
very happy at the fact that I have been vindicated.

2065
02:27:58,965 --> 02:28:05,485
For not being the sole cost of the $550,000 that

2066
02:28:05,485 --> 02:28:09,557
we voted on. Earlier this evening, and I'd like to

2067
02:28:09,557 --> 02:28:15,100
get back to regular. Business at hand. The case against

2068
02:28:15,100 --> 02:28:21,531
me was. Dismissed April 24, 2025. So there should be

2069
02:28:21,531 --> 02:28:27,618
no. Further discussion. And as for the young lady. Mirwest

2070
02:28:27,618 --> 02:28:34,478
that came up to the podium talking about sharing. The

2071
02:28:34,478 --> 02:28:43,133
Fox News Channel or whatever. She would. Request to post

2072
02:28:43,133 --> 02:28:47,815
on my page. At least four or five times a

2073
02:28:47,815 --> 02:28:52,726
day. Mr. Huffman, I think that's a mistake. Okay, well.

2074
02:28:53,816 --> 02:28:57,456
What I'm doing is identifying the person and why she

2075
02:28:57,456 --> 02:28:59,696
wanted to say that you can. Do it. After they

2076
02:28:59,696 --> 02:29:03,969
found the conclusion, you can then come at yourself. This

2077
02:29:03,969 --> 02:29:07,729
is not about the case. This is about this lady

2078
02:29:07,729 --> 02:29:12,969
that is constantly doing the appropriate way. Okay, well, let's

2079
02:29:12,969 --> 02:29:16,758
hope there's no more. Moving forward, but I wanted to

2080
02:29:16,758 --> 02:29:21,686
make sure that. Everybody on this board understood who this

2081
02:29:21,686 --> 02:29:31,500
person was. Thank you. All I have to say tonight

2082
02:29:31,500 --> 02:29:38,339
is. We need to listen to our attorney. More and

2083
02:29:38,339 --> 02:29:42,381
more and more. I have seen. Us. Some of us

2084
02:29:42,381 --> 02:29:45,661
say, I don't care what the authorities say, and that's

2085
02:29:45,661 --> 02:29:49,461
trouble. So that's all I have to say. Thank you.

2086
02:29:55,717 --> 02:29:59,317
Listen, I had a few things, but in the essence

2087
02:29:59,317 --> 02:30:02,197
of time, I am going to say them. Until next

2088
02:30:02,197 --> 02:30:08,572
meeting, because this has already been. A. Come on, we

2089
02:30:08,572 --> 02:30:14,000
still got another hour. No. So. Nothing. Tonight I would

2090
02:30:14,000 --> 02:30:17,240
bring them. I would add them to the next meeting.

2091
02:30:24,052 --> 02:30:26,372
With the time that we're entering right now, and it

2092
02:30:26,372 --> 02:30:31,772
is my youngest son's. Birthday. I'm so good. All right.

2093
02:30:31,772 --> 02:30:35,607
That's how we're going to join. Well, happy birthday to

2094
02:30:35,607 --> 02:30:40,397
your son. Happy 4 July. I didn't set the date.

2095
02:30:43,651 --> 02:30:46,531
Don't forget the fireworks at 915, right? Oh, yeah. We

2096
02:30:46,531 --> 02:30:50,691
got fireworks tomorrow. The best. One. The biggest one in

2097
02:30:50,691 --> 02:30:55,300
the whole county. And go and tell that to Davenport.

2098
02:31:02,683 --> 02:31:05,599
Thank you. Yes.