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Good evening, and welcome to the regular meeting of the Half-Movement-Based City Council for September 1st, 2026.

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So it looks like it's Nicholas here tonight.

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Good evening, Madame Mayor, on our little city council members, Mr. Chirister, Ms. Basano,

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Mr. Rodrigues, and all set staff,

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and members of the public.

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Members of the public,

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I hope you will be able to provide

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the invitation to this meeting in Spanish,

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obtaining the gift in the part of this auditorium,

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and to access the service of the invitation

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in Vivo Porsum,

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or a computer, or a portal,

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click on the icon of the red button, and you will see in a

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world and select the most Spanish language.

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Este de esta usando un teléfono inteligente, un atableta, busca el menú de 3 puntos y seleccione interpretación,

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luego seleccione el idioma español y por último haga click en Don o listo, y lo que están usando en

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el teléfono y quieren hacer algún comentario, pueden pulsar el a, el a, el a, el a, el a, el a, el a, el a,

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y el aterrico seis para activar su micrófono.

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Gracias, Nicolaus.

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¿Cudan que hay un rol?

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¿Conseguiré el mundo?

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¿Conseguiré el mundo?

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¿Conseguiré el mundo?

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¿Cudan el mundo?

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Sí.

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Gracias, Nicolaus.

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¿Cudan el mundo?

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¿Cudan el mundo?

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¿Cudan el mundo?

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Sí.

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Que dé gran parte de esa prueba de la agenda,

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como nosotros me gustaría entrar en la segunda prova y segunda en la segunda.

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¿Cómo?

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Esta pregunta?

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Allí, si alguna otra vez, hay una segunda.

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Hay un подтrepleo, algo, una una segunda...

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Okay, ahora nos vamos a tenían problemas de aproximación y presentación.

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Y ahora, tenemos que ver esto.

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La first es de honor Suicide Prevention Months.

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Tonight we recognize September as Suicide Prevention Month,

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in 2025, 65 people died by Suicide in San Mateo County.

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There were 9,212 calls, 1,073 chats,

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and 1,735 text messages received by 988 Suicide and Crisis Lifeline.

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Bueno, macam ahora las Administ You know we

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Ausw planar contra các país한테

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a través de otros las circunstancias.

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He conectado a vivir en haceos y a través de antes dellando

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y a partir de國家. En otras

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libras,

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cuando Michelin trainaron elato

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creams prev 붙icente el autor federal de laakah

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y pues la

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County Suicide Prevention Committee Member

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for in a barrientos,

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who is also a member of our greater co-side

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to say a few words.

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Welcome.

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Good evening, Merritic.

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Council members, city's now.

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OK.

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OK, thank you.

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I didn't know if I was going to pick up on me

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or I need to do something.

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I don't do this very often, as you can tell.

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OK, so let me start over.

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Good evening, Merritic.

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Council members, city staff, and members

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de la gente de la Leta de Miami, la comunidad.

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Esa es la年的 de Antos, la guysa de Colombia.

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My name is Várana Baron Tos, y yo soy hishira Antonio.

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Hola, soy Michael Lisen Esclín, y yo soy Juan Sameteo,

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y aquí en este marmaster del semateo de San Mateo de San Pana.

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Ese reto que en la Junta de Lima,

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la extinción de La Junta de Lima,

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Esta provincia en la Constitución de Pueblo

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de Metámetros de Argentina indica

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y se corresponde a la Comuncia de Mittel,

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al día de la Junta de Anac gefocionatía,

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En Márez,請

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por la Constitución de la César. El

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roku de la Junta de Lima, está

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grande de las 2021.

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Primero

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de la California's

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que suicide puede ser preventiva, y que cada vez que es el rol en el rapporto del

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well-being de nuestros amigos, amigos, amigos, amigos, amigos, amigos y

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y la comunidad.

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Esta recinción es especialmente meaningful, porque suicide afecta a

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familias, los procesos, los schools, y los integradores de la comunidad.

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En 2025, 65 people died por suicide en San Mateo County.

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A partir de este año, el resto de la ciudad de Suicide es 135 personas que afectan a este lugar.

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135 personas, que es un loto grifo en el mundo.

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Creo que es importante de la ciudad de Suicide, en la zona de la ciudad de Suicide, en la zona de António.

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por ejemplo, también en 2025,

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el local 98, su asideo crisis lifeline

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ha sido más de 12,000 calls,

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chats y textos,

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de personas que se importan.

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98 es el live saving resource,

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es el 24, 7, 3,

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165 days a year. And it heads up, 988 is not just for those in crisis. Folks can also call 988 to get emotional support as well.

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To learn more about this valuable resource, go to 988lifeline.org. This year, the suicide prevention committee has chosen the theme, the weight we carry.

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It recognizes that many people, particularly men and boys, as well as BIPOC and LGBTQ

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plus communities, may carry visible and invisible burdens.

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Emotional pain, stress, grief, isolation, mental health challenges, and pressure to meet

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expectations without asking for help.

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The theme calls on us to reduce stigma, strengthen connection and belonging and make sure that no one feels they must carry these burdens alone.

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Learning signs of suicide, checking in with each other with an open mind and open heart and connecting someone to support can make a huge difference.

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Suicide Prevention is near and dear to my heart. Not October 2023, my

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steps in Joshua Marshall and completed Suicide.

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Not a day goes by and I don't

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think about him or what his life could have been like and I just miss him every

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day.

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As a Suicide Last Survivor, I feel it is important to talk about

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Suicide Prevention so that hopefully others do not go through the pain and

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wish that myself and my family have been through.

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I invite everyone and have been

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made to find their role in suicide prevention. You do not need to be a mental

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health professional to make a difference. You can start with these three

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actions. First, reach out and share the weight. Check in with someone you care

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about, especially if they seem withdrawn, overwhelmed, grieving or isolated,

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listen with compassion, remind them that they don't have to carry everything alone.

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Second, know the signs and where to turn.

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If you or someone you know is struggling or thinking about suicide,

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call text or chat 908 to reach the suicide in crisis life lane.

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Third, build knowledge and connection.

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Please, everyone in this room, please tell others about 988.

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This can save a life.

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You can also take part in Suicide Prevention Month's free virtual

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and in-person events.

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Learn more at SMChealth.org slash Suicide Prevention Month.

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One highlight to event, one event to highlight in particular

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is a county hosted mental health forum for first responders, veterans, and their support.

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The event will be on Thursday, September 10th, from 9am to 12pm, and it's at Central

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Peninsula Church in Foster City.

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Please invite a first responder veteran or one of their supporters to attend.

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Thank you again to Hathman Bay and the City Council for this Proclamation, and for standing

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with the San Mateo County community in preventing suicide, promoting connection, and reminding

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everyone that help is available. Together, we can help ensure that no one carries the

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weight alone.

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Thank you.

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Next we're going to recognize somebody very special. Samuel Ramos Palamino.

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On Tuesday, August 18, after our last city council meeting, the San Mateo County Sheriff's Office deputies responded to assist CHP with a large bull running loose on Highway 35.

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Later to the night, our local hero Samuel Ramos Palamino was called into action to help.

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His actions prevented harm to the animal and our community.

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I'd like to welcome our sheriff captain.

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I'm an Allen to say a few more words.

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Good evening Madam Mayor, council member, city staff.

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Excuse me.

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Just a brief synopsis of this event.

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Just two weeks ago, August 18th, 2026, California Highway Patrol requested assistance from the sheriff's office deputies for the bull that had been running loose along Highway 35.

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The animal presented a significant danger to motorists, nearby residents and responding personnel.

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After approximately two hours of unsuccessful attempts to safely corrode the bull, deputy sought assistance for someone with a specialized experience and equipment necessary to bring the incident to a safety conclusion.

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At approximately 12 a.m. Deppies contacted half of a community member, Samuel Ramos.

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Palimino, a four-minute seahorse ranch with 35 years of experience working with horses

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and large animals.

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Despite being asleep at home and scheduled report to work at 4 a.m., Samuel immediately responded.

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He prepared his truck and livestock trailer and followed deputies to the boat which had

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traveled approximately a mile from its original location, cross multiple residential properties,

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and display the aggressive behavior towards the responding deputies.

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Over the next several miles, Sambo worked alongside deputies and CHP officers through repeated attempts to last so-and-control the animal.

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The difficulty in danger of the task were underscored when the bull repeatedly snaps Sambo's lasso.

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Nevertheless, Sambo remained composed and persistent, relying on decades of experience handling large animals,

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to help guide responding personnel towards a safe resolution.

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Sam Bulls Sheriff's deputies and CHP officers ultimately succeeded in lashing the bowl and securing

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it to a tree. Sam Bull then took the lead and safely loading the animals into his life stock

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trailer. When it became apparent, the owner did not have sufficiently secure location and

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prevent the bowl from escaping again. Sam Bull went even further. He left his own truck and trailer

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with the bowl safely contained inside at the property until arrangements could be made to relocate

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the animal to a secure location.

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Deputy's transported Samuel home at approximately 230, leaving him a little more than an hour

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before he was scheduled to report to work.

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And as my understanding, he went to work that day.

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Little sleepy, little blurry eyed, but he went toward.

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Samuel's actions that night were consistent with a long standing commitment to the safety

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of the Coastside community.

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During his 35 years of civil arrest, Samuel is repeatedly intervened in dangerous situations

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involving loose dogs chasing horses on local beaches, helping prevent injuries to ride

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members of the public and animals. Will it Chapman, a long-time community partner in the

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owner operator C. Horse Ranch has described him as someone who has experienced in judgment

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have repeatedly helped divert injuries and told us that in an emergency there's simply no

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one better than Samo.

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Samoals actions that night went far beyond what could be reasonably expected

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of a community member. He answered a request for assistance in the middle of the night, providing

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his specialized expertise in personal equipment, willingly entered a dangerous and unpredictable

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situation and remained committed until the threat to the community was resolved.

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Alusbal decides traveling on Highway 35 presented a potential for a catastrophic traffic

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collision and posed a significant danger to residents and first responders alike.

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Sam Wilbram, most Palaminos, Courage, Selflessness, Expertise, and Extraordinary Commitment

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to his community were instrumental in bringing a dangerous incident to a safe conclusion.

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His actions exemplify the partnership between San Mateo County Sheriff's Office and

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communities we serve. For these actions, I'm extremely proud to announce that Sam

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Well has been nominated for and will be recognized with one of the highest civilian

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honors the sheriff's office has. Our community member service award and he'll be presented

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that later this year. So thank you.

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Sorry, Mayor, just briefly, you might have a moment to recognize the deputies as well that we're there that night.

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So as you can see, the team that worked two weeks ago is on tonight, and some of these deputies were up there alongside Samov,

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Ropen and Rastlin and doing what they were doing.

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I think it's just a testament to the character of these folks. One of the most dangerous things that any of us deals with is hubris,

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And sometimes, not even quite as dangerous as a 2000-pound bull, but it can be dangerous for sure.

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And for these folks to know what they didn't know, and to go knocking on a door and finding an expert,

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just a real testament to their service.

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And this isn't something that's been widely publicized, but two weeks ago, they actually had authority from our authorization from the bull's owner to dispatch the animal if need be.

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And, you know, being good stewards of the community for them to exhaust all of their options.

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And, fortunately, knock on Samwell's door that night just shows the character in the decision making.

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So, extremely proud of these folks and extremely proud that they were able to partner with Samwell.

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And, superman was able to come out of the phone booth that night, and it's worked out great.

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So, thank you very much.

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Not a mayor at a future council meeting, I'm going to bring forward an item so we can purchase a big light that shines like a bullhead in the sky when we need to call on Samo on the future.

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That's that's I'm good.

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We might need you again.

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Yeah.

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I have one speaker slip here while came to Minus.

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Thank you.

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Good evening.

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I've known some well for many years.

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Actually, or hometowns in Mexico, we are neighbors.

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I've known his family, you know, his, you know,

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the old, you know, of Akeros in Mexico.

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And that's how I know about them.

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I worked with some world many years ago,

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and always, you know, willing to help.

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He's been part of Akeros Day celebration

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for two July parade.

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And one thing, actually, you didn't mention,

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he was wearing sandals when he got the ball.

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So he could do it in sandals, you know.

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That's, you know, there's some tools that use them well is from the Bakero days group.

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We have a gift for some well recognition, you know, for his skills of Bakero.

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We got him a rope.

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We got him a laso, this laso is almost 40 years long, you didn't have to be really skilled

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to be able to use this, and he can actually put anything over 3,000 pounds.

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So the bull will not be able to break this, and I know somewhere this serves to have another

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recognition of a new laso, because he ropes with us, you know, when we do rope and he comes

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in all Europe's with us, so Felicidades Amuel,

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a very orgulloso de ti, por tu labor,

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a reconocimiento bien merecido in Felicidades.

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Thank you.

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So is there anyone else in the audience who would like to comment on Samuel?

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Or anybody online?

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It would like to congratulate him on this amazing miracle.

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Greetings, everyone.

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Just to paint the fullest picture.

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When the deputies knocked on Sam Woe's door, he was fast asleep, of course.

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And thought he was being asked to provide a stock trailer for deputies in need.

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It did not get out of his jammies or his house shoes. We're not going to call them slippers. They were house shoes. And off he went. So it's not enough to understand

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And he roped a bowl out of the bed of a chair of steppity.

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Tied the bowl to the truck, but he did it in his pajamas and his house shoes.

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And thought it was funny.

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He told me at 515-530 that morning what had gone on as the bio was rising in my mouth.

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He was laughing, he thought it was an excellent way to break the tedium of just another evening at home.

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So, what I've come to know about some well, who I've worked with for 35 years, is that he helps when it

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help us need it. He never thinks it's a big deal, and I really do mean that there's nothing.

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No one you want by your side in an emergency more than this man.

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So Kudos to him and thank you for honoring him.

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A very high recommendation.

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Thank you.

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James Benjamin.

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Thank you on this item and on the previous speaker.

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We have spent many years you and I and other members of the City Council and Planning Commission

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hearing proclamations.

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the two proclamations that were addressed tonight, incredibly hard-filled, and kind, represent the

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beating best heart of this community. And if every proclamation we gave could have that kind

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of inspiration, we would be an unstoppable city, with that we get there soon. Thank you.

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Thank you, Jimmy.

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Anyone who would like to discuss this item or the previous one on Suicide Prevention Months, you can come forward now.

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Or if you're online, you can raise your hand and you'll be unmuted.

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Seeing none, I think we will move on.

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Thanks, everyone. Thank you, Samuel.

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All right. Item 4 is Mayors Announcements of Community Activities and Community Service. Nothing to report tonight.

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Item 5 is report out from recent closed session meetings, unless the City Attorney,

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whether she thank you, Madam Mayor, this evening we Council met in closed session on four items.

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There is no reportable action from those items.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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So item 6 is Commission and Committee Updates.

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The first one is Parks and Recreation Commission report out.

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Good evening, Madam Mayor, Council and Community, Karen Decker, in terms of Deputy City

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Manager.

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I can't believe I have to follow someone.

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Since our last meeting, Council appointed two new youth commissioners to Parks and Rec,

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and both were in attendance at our last meeting on Wednesday.

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Commissioner Meyer and Commissioner Del Negro.

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They were warmly welcomed by the existing commissioners,

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and we're so excited to have their perspectives.

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We did talk about an update to a Carter Park donor policy,

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and you'll actually hear about that item. It's the last item on your agenda tonight.

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There was also an update provided by public works on bike speed limits on the coastal trail

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and some great feedback was provided by the Commission and you'll also hear more about that item

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probably the second meeting in September. We also chatted about movies in the park,

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which is an exciting pilot that we're releasing. This is going the first movie is going to be

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taking place at September 26th, it's going to be back to the future.

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So, bring your hover boards and your Pepsi free.

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We're in close collaboration with the beach break entertainment.

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There's going to be a second movie as well on October 3rd, and that will be Princess

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Bride.

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Movies will start around dusk or telling people 730 and starting to heavily promote these exciting

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events.

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It was also really great because the commission narrowed down the choices to five movies,

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and we put out a brief community survey and we got wonderful participation.

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I want to say about 400 entries and that's how we ultimately landed on these two

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movies.

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That concludes my updates.

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Thank you.

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Good show.

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Thank you.

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The next one is the Planning Commission report out.

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Thank you, Mayor Reddick and Council Members. The last planning commission meeting was August 25th. And at that meeting, the planning commission approved a new 4471 square foot house and attached accessory dwelling unit. This was at 2781 Pullman Avenue, and you've probably seen the story poles and netting there.

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as you drive by Cabrillo, they also made a general plan

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consistency determination for a property acquisition West of Railroad.

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And of course, there's no address for that property if anyone is interested

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the APN number is 0.56126040. They also received a lengthy

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directors report from me and I'm not going to repeat all of it but I do want to repeat

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the part about the implementation plan update. The road shows are starting. There's eight locations

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throughout the city and the first one is this Thursday at Wave Avenue and Pillar Seedos.

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welcome to attend of course. We had our first working group meeting last Friday, so that's two

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commissioners and two coastal commission staff members and our staff of course. And then the

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joint planning commission and city council study session will be September 22nd. So looking forward

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to that. Thank you. Thank you very much. Is there any one in the room who would like to address

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either of those reports, one on Parks and Recreation Commission, and one on the Planning Commission meeting.

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If so, you can come to the Dallas now or to the podium. And if you'd like to discuss it online,

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you can raise your hand now and you'll be unmuted.

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Seeing none, we will move on to the City Manager

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updates of the council.

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Thank you, Madam Mayor. We have a couple of updates for you tonight.

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I'll start and then I'll be turning the time over to our City Clerk to finish the first one

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and then she'll do the second one as well.

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The first thing we wanted to share is much like we've done in the past,

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as we start to move towards the November election,

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we have two measures within the city.

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Of course, there's also a school district measure,

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but two measures within the city that voters will be considering,

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measure I, which relates to the map under measured D

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for the downtown area, and measure Q,

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which is the referendum measure related to 555 Kelly.

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We've created web pages for each of these that can be accessed on our website and the purpose

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is to provide an easy place for people to find the facts about these measures, find more

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information, details, and we'll also be including public comments that have been received in

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relation to these items.

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I'm going to turn the time over to Maggie who will talk more about each of those web pages

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and how people can access them.

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Thank you, Matthew.

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So first we'll start with measure I up on the board,

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you will see a QR code that will take you directly

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to the web page.

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You can also use the tiny URL listed on there,

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which is tinyURl.com slash hmb26i.

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And this will direct you.

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Here's a screenshot from our page right now.

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And the future of the page will be a little more fancy.

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Is it too small to see?

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I'm sorry.

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Yeah, we're really going after that tiny URL with this green chart here.

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But you'll find just factual information about the project listed here.

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And then the same for measure Q. Again, another URL that will take you directly to the page,

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which is tiny URL slash h and b to six Q.

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And a screen shot as well here, lays out the background,

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Some summaries, the actual ballot question is listed, and then at the very bottom of the page, you will find a section for public comments that have been submitted.

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So these web pages are live right now.

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We expect them to be a little more pretty in the days to come, but right now all the necessary information can be found there.

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And that's all we have for that item.

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I don't know if you want to take public comment on this one now mayor, or if you want to do both, and then do public comment.

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But we have a few speakers slips here, so when we just do that, okay.

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So the first speaker would be Evelyn Disusa on 7A.

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I'm here tonight to speak about measure Q, I do so because I care deeply about our community and about the trust residents, place in our local government.

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And in an era where misinformation abounds, be it on social platforms and other, I think it's an imperative that we have factual reporting, so I am very grateful for the measure Q pages.

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But I'm also very concerned about what has happened in connection with the 555 Kelly ballot measure.

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A current council member and a former mayor signed the yes on 555 Kelly ballot argument while acting as a private citizen.

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He has every right for his position to advocate for that, and I fully respect that right.

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But when those materials contain statements that are misleading and factually incorrect,

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as tested against the city's own agreements, public records, and adopted policies, it's

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very troubling for residents, and residents are watching and asking questions.

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I want to be clear this is not about political viewpoint, or whether someone is four or

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against 5, 5, 5 Kelly.

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I do not want my comments today to be characterized

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as taking a position on the ballot measure.

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This is about something much more fundamental.

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Truthfulness and integrity in our government processes.

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So my request today goes beyond measure cue.

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While I believe measure cue has an important role

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to play it and, sorry, specifically the website that Maggie has created in Matthew, which

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gives residents access to clear factual city-produced information so that they can truly

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evaluate the issue and make informed decisions, but I'm asking the Council and city staff

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to go one step further. Specifically, I asked that the Council invite Ms. Besano to provide

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ethics, factual reporting training for our council members with a particular focus on the responsibilities

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that come with public office and the importance of maintaining public trust.

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That's particularly timely as we will now have at least one new council member.

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We can disagree, we can advocate, we can campaign, that is democracy.

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But the facts should not depend on which side of an issue we are on.

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In times like the present, we need to uphold the highest standards of ethics, accuracy,

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and factual reporting in the work that represents our local government.

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So please make truthfulness, accuracy, and integrity, non-negotiable.

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Thank you, Evelyn.

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The next speaker in the same item is Nancy Fontana,

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followed by Sandy Vella.

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Council and staff and members of the public, I'm not as prepared as a level in here.

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I thought didn't know that the website had already been created.

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I just found out about this at the meeting here.

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So I'm not sure that I'm on point on this, but I believe the project was approved mid-2024.

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In 2025, during meetings, I indicated I thought that the public should be provided regular

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updates on the cost per minute, not regular but periodic updates on the cost per unit, because

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a lot was happening in our country at that time.

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And I believe the 1.3 I hear most often right now is old, and I think it's very important

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at this website if it's going to give facts, provide updated figures on that.

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Another thing that I would like to see is a simple statement, identifying the maximum number

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of adult residents that could be housed in the Kelly Project.

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I believe the ratio is a two bedroom house five, a one bedroom house three, and a studio

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I'm not even sure on those rules, but I think that might be right.

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And if so, providing a simple total, because it will give people a sense of the potential number of cars that could be there.

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Thank you. Thank you, Nancy. Sandy Vella?

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Good evening. First of all, I want to thank you guys so much. That's great. And thanks for painting the bridge by the way. That thrills me every day. But a conformed measure, you. Thank you very much for putting up the web page. This is great. It's so important that voters have accurate, timely, factual, and non-biased information.

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I mean, that's key.

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So I just wanted to point out, like some of my previous speakers,

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that the information or some of the information in the measure

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queue, argument, and favor statement,

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was, in fact, inaccurate.

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555 Kelly, if built, and when it's built,

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or when it's built, will present a cost to taxpayers.

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That's without a doubt.

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in several ways, including county taxes to fund the project, in addition, if the lease goes through,

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as approved, the city of Huffham Bay will forego the market value rent, which is at a significant

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cost to the city and its taxpayers. And we're talking about a city or city, which is now

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operating in a deficit already.

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Will that deficit continue in perpetuity?

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I don't know.

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I mean, it's hard to tell what's going to happen in 99 years.

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And there'll be a cost for increased services,

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such as police emergency, fire, et cetera,

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that the city would have to bear.

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Anyway, in summary, thank you again for putting up

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that information.

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I can't wait to look at it.

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and thanks for all your efforts around this.

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Thank you, Sam.

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Is there anyone else in the room that would like to discuss

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the measures I and Q's city information web page?

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Is there anybody online who would like to comment

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on these two items?

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Actually, starting with seven A measures I

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and Q's city information web page?

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If you're online, you can raise your hand.

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Seeing none, I'm going to bring it back

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to the council for clarifying questions or comments about that particular report on 7A.

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Councilmember Nicken-Gast.

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Thank you, Mayor and City Council members, community and the public and staff.

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It's been a hard few weeks for me.

453
00:53:02,860 --> 00:53:13,540
I've really been trying to figure out what's right and what's wrong, and part of this, and

454
00:53:13,540 --> 00:53:23,100
I appreciate that having the city provide factual information or neutral, where neutral

455
00:53:23,100 --> 00:53:32,620
on either measure IRQ, we seem to focus on Q, but measure I is equally important, and I want

456
00:53:32,620 --> 00:53:39,020
comment just generally about what kind of web page we're going to provide because I'm

457
00:53:39,020 --> 00:53:43,920
this is first for me what the city is providing. I've seen them in other cities I've worked

458
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:51,440
in when there's a referendum set have been a petition driven by the community. It was opposed

459
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:57,640
the city actually producing the actual ballot measure themselves. In this case the city did not

460
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:04,780
was a driven by community members and I first want to ask some question on measure I.

461
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:13,020
When I went to measure I today and maybe things change 10 minutes but it directed you directly

462
00:54:13,020 --> 00:54:20,820
to measure D. I would hope we try to keep some things on measure I specifically and I didn't

463
00:54:20,820 --> 00:54:30,140
have a chance to read what was posted 10 minutes ago on the computer but to be able to know

464
00:54:30,140 --> 00:54:38,900
what is posted that we could have it actually on the measure ice site and also the city

465
00:54:38,900 --> 00:54:45,040
attorney did provide an analysis is that going to be posted an impartial analysis I know

466
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:53,460
that goes with your, could you explain what that is and if we could, I'm interested if we could post it on the city's website too.

467
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:59,960
Yes, so the city attorneys office prepared an impartial analysis and submitted it to the clerk further.

468
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:05,780
Resolution that the council adopted, it specified the timeline for the impartial analysis submission.

469
00:55:06,260 --> 00:55:13,240
So that is on the county's website, and I'm sure we can put links to that analysis on the city's web page as well.

470
00:55:13,580 --> 00:55:23,000
All right, I just, you know, I appreciate it just to have it there, so somebody wouldn't have to necessarily go or wait till the county publishes.

471
00:55:24,220 --> 00:55:33,880
And then I just have a number of questions I want to ask about in general about posting something

472
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:34,300
on site.

473
00:55:34,500 --> 00:55:41,240
Are we going to have an FAQ question or just what exactly are we posting on the website?

474
00:55:42,260 --> 00:55:42,300
Sure.

475
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:50,640
So, what we tried to do was anticipate some of the questions that be out there and kind of just

476
00:55:50,640 --> 00:56:00,380
something out that would give people restlessly more information about it. So there's a very, very high level, just summary at the top.

477
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:11,060
There's background and history of both items for measuring and measure queue. There's details about the actual ballot measures.

478
00:56:11,060 --> 00:56:40,320
And some summaries about what a yes vote means, what a no vote means, what happens if we vote no on if the community votes no on either of these measures as well as specifically for measure Q quite a lot of facts just about the 555 Kelly project itself and what's what's contained in the agreements and then links again as you pointed out the link to the measure D page for background measure day

479
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:45,820
be measured D, which is related to measure I, and a link to the 555 Kelly project page for

480
00:56:45,820 --> 00:56:51,240
measure Q. And that page has the whole history, the project going from the RFQ that the city

481
00:56:51,240 --> 00:56:59,460
issued in 2022 all the way through the referendum being accepted. So there's quite a bit of information

482
00:56:59,460 --> 00:57:10,300
there. I'm sure we'll add to it as we go. I mean, I think the city clerk is adding links to the

483
00:57:10,300 --> 00:57:13,360
actual impartial information of front of the community is possible.

484
00:57:13,940 --> 00:57:16,460
All right, so because when a city attorney

485
00:57:16,460 --> 00:57:20,180
provides an impartial analysis, to me that's impartial.

486
00:57:20,900 --> 00:57:25,180
So to me that was important to provide the city attorneys

487
00:57:25,180 --> 00:57:28,140
analysis, but you had also mentioned,

488
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,020
and I don't know if that comes from the city attorney,

489
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:33,020
summaries of yes or no vote, what that means.

490
00:57:33,940 --> 00:57:37,560
When you say we're going to provide what a yes vote means,

491
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,440
versus what a no vote means.

492
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:44,340
How are you providing the detail or did you want to take that?

493
00:57:44,580 --> 00:57:46,900
The detail there is at the very base level.

494
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:59,780
So I guess on I means that the map for Measure D will be amended to be the map that's contained in the LCLUP as the town center map.

495
00:58:00,140 --> 00:58:06,700
A no vote means that Measure D will not be changed and the map will remain as a crumbly as.

496
00:58:06,700 --> 00:58:13,040
it's that level of detail. It doesn't go into, you know, consequences and costs and all those things.

497
00:58:13,220 --> 00:58:17,740
It's really just at the bare minimum what happens with the yes or a now.

498
00:58:17,940 --> 00:58:23,480
So the people truly understand what their yes vote means versus what it, but I know who it means.

499
00:58:24,060 --> 00:58:28,920
So let me go to measure Q. What is, what, what, what, what, what are you going to say what a

500
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:33,200
no vote? Maybe I'll let you cover that because it is a little bit nuanced.

501
00:58:36,460 --> 00:58:53,640
So and this is also covered in my impartial analysis, but the impartial analysis is a very it has to be a very succinct statement of what the ordinance does and it can't extrapolate beyond what the actual ordinance does.

502
00:58:53,640 --> 00:59:01,860
It does identify yes or no, but I was also limited to number of words, so I also had to be very

503
00:59:01,860 --> 00:59:10,320
sparse with the language. The city's web page on measure Q also identifies yes and no, but I think

504
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:17,000
gives a little bit more context. So a no vote would mean basically that the ordinance is not adopted

505
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:23,540
and cannot be effectuated so that the agreements would not go into effect. And there is a time frame

506
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:30,980
by which the city would be limited to reintroducing the ordinance to one year after if the ordinance

507
00:59:30,980 --> 00:59:38,040
is not adopted. Does it get into whether the permits are still valid? No, it does not.

508
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:43,700
But, is it, do we know if that's true or not whether it's not? Well, the coastal development permit

509
00:59:43,700 --> 00:59:49,780
has a specific timeframe, but this ordinance and the website doesn't identify it. I think it links

510
00:59:49,780 --> 00:59:55,440
to the 555 Kelley page where people can find the coastal development permit and that information

511
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:56,580
may be there.

512
00:59:57,660 --> 00:59:59,940
And does it talk?

513
01:00:07,420 --> 01:00:16,340
So we are limited to providing factual information that it has to be factual, unbiased information.

514
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:21,320
So, but let's just say, let me just throw out a question.

515
01:00:22,340 --> 01:00:30,160
Does measure Q, show any funding sources, you know, would we ask the question, does

516
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,740
measure Q have any funding sources that are taxed pair of funds?

517
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:42,200
So in this instance, as we provide the details about 555 Kelly, there is a reference to the

518
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:46,580
the budget, the current estimated budget and the funding sources for that budget.

519
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:53,720
So individuals that have to go through on their own to figure out whether those are private

520
01:00:53,720 --> 01:01:02,620
or taxpayer funding? Well, it references city and county or state and county grants and loans.

521
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:07,160
Which are taxpayer funds, right? Right. Public money.

522
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:10,060
then does what

523
01:01:12,330 --> 01:01:17,130
about, you know, talking specifically about the lawsuit is the lawsuit against

524
01:01:17,130 --> 01:01:26,270
the city of Hathambe about 555 Kelly, or is it about our housing element in lack of

525
01:01:26,290 --> 01:01:30,870
I can't speculate on what the lawsuit is about beyond what's on the paper.

526
01:01:31,310 --> 01:01:38,250
So the written petition does not mention 555 Kelly, and so the page for measure cue doesn't

527
01:01:38,250 --> 01:01:39,530
identify the lawsuit?

528
01:01:43,350 --> 01:01:45,330
Okay, here's another one.

529
01:01:45,810 --> 01:01:50,150
My understanding, and I think I heard somebody tonight speak about it,

530
01:01:50,610 --> 01:01:55,110
that there were members of the community that provided comments to the city

531
01:01:55,110 --> 01:02:04,730
that examined the argument for, again, I think it was the four argument,

532
01:02:04,730 --> 01:02:10,010
that provided comments to the city, does the city review those comments?

533
01:02:10,250 --> 01:02:13,170
They turn it turn it turn it whether those are factual or not.

534
01:02:13,750 --> 01:02:20,210
Or will the city actually produce or provide links or provide those comments

535
01:02:20,210 --> 01:02:21,730
from the community?

536
01:02:22,790 --> 01:02:24,070
That's a question.

537
01:02:24,710 --> 01:02:25,490
What does arguments?

538
01:02:26,430 --> 01:02:28,650
I can't answer the first question.

539
01:02:29,090 --> 01:02:31,170
We did receive them.

540
01:02:31,770 --> 01:02:34,010
But for the second part of the question.

541
01:02:34,010 --> 01:02:40,470
And each of the measure I measure QE web pages at the bottom, we're having an issue getting

542
01:02:40,470 --> 01:02:45,370
it to sync properly, but I think by tomorrow you'll be able to go there and there will

543
01:02:45,370 --> 01:02:49,690
be a link that will take you to a page that will include public comments we've received

544
01:02:49,690 --> 01:02:54,870
related to these items and the emails that you're referencing will be included there.

545
01:02:55,250 --> 01:02:55,270
Yes.

546
01:02:55,370 --> 01:02:56,730
So people will be able to see them.

547
01:02:56,730 --> 01:03:03,950
So they'll see, you know, because it's my understanding, there was some specific concerns on arguments

548
01:03:03,950 --> 01:03:09,110
for, from members of the community, perhaps they were false in misleading statements.

549
01:03:10,850 --> 01:03:14,490
Perhaps I don't, yes, the United States, the city to respond to emails will be there.

550
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:20,130
Yes. Those, those emails were received by the city, and those will be linked in the public

551
01:03:20,130 --> 01:03:26,370
comments page on each measure webpage. And if any public comments come in after tonight,

552
01:03:26,730 --> 01:03:29,230
they would be also identified and put in that.

553
01:03:29,230 --> 01:03:30,490
So we'll keep it.

554
01:03:30,490 --> 01:03:31,650
Yes, we will keep it.

555
01:03:31,790 --> 01:03:31,990
We'll keep it.

556
01:03:32,330 --> 01:03:32,930
It's things going.

557
01:03:35,130 --> 01:03:35,270
Okay.

558
01:03:37,290 --> 01:03:41,870
So, it's not our intention to have an FAQ necessarily on this.

559
01:03:42,010 --> 01:03:50,930
We'll just have links to various items, you know, because a lot of times we'll do an FAQ

560
01:03:50,930 --> 01:03:57,130
we're trying to explain, or typical questions that we hear in the community asking, you know,

561
01:03:57,130 --> 01:04:01,130
big one's always about taxpayer funds. I'm going to use taxpayer funds for a while now,

562
01:04:02,110 --> 01:04:07,950
but that question does come up. Are we going to address it anyway or are we just going to direct

563
01:04:07,950 --> 01:04:14,350
folks to various sites that they can determine on whether state and county funding is taxpayer funds or not?

564
01:04:14,350 --> 01:04:26,490
So, I think that there are some questions on the web page that are answered, but for the most part it's the intent is to just provide factual information.

565
01:04:28,270 --> 01:04:38,190
So, sometimes factual is a degree of what somebody thinks interprets, they think it's factual or not, right?

566
01:04:38,190 --> 01:04:45,110
But what we're going to produce as a city is actual documents that we have, or they've been approved,

567
01:04:46,050 --> 01:04:50,610
or they've been submitted by the public, and then it's up to other people that determine whether that's factual or not.

568
01:04:50,890 --> 01:04:59,730
Well, I think that there are some links to documents, but there is also information on the page that can just be read.

569
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:13,420
And so, as the city manager mentioned, there's information about the 555 Kelly project generally, and it has just details about the APN,

570
01:05:15,500 --> 01:05:25,700
the parking spaces that are required on-site and off-site, there are details about the units, the size of the units, that type of thing.

571
01:05:25,700 --> 01:05:31,060
So those are listed out in form on the website.

572
01:05:31,260 --> 01:05:35,760
But there are also links to other pages within the city's website

573
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:37,300
to provide more information.

574
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:43,540
And then the actual document that gets printed with the county

575
01:05:43,540 --> 01:05:50,540
ballots will have who the sign on behalf of the argument will

576
01:05:50,540 --> 01:05:54,740
have those there, right, is that where that shows up, or is that

577
01:05:54,740 --> 01:05:56,660
show up on our web page too.

578
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:03,220
No, that's on the county's website that has the argument and it does identify the five

579
01:06:03,220 --> 01:06:05,300
individuals who are listed as thought.

580
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:10,960
Because I heard, and I think I heard tonight, there's a current council member, but there's

581
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:19,540
also a past council member and a candidate council member that signed the pro-argument.

582
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:27,100
So, I'm just wondering how, to me, the city doesn't, it's not going to deal with that, right?

583
01:06:27,140 --> 01:06:30,280
That totally just sticks with the county because that's part of the argument.

584
01:06:30,980 --> 01:06:36,240
It gets submitted as part of the county's, that's part of the county's ballot materials, right?

585
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:47,480
Our goal is to provide factual information about the measures and what is being proposed and background about what is being proposed.

586
01:06:48,100 --> 01:06:51,960
Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you.

587
01:06:52,180 --> 01:06:53,860
Any other council members?

588
01:06:56,360 --> 01:07:00,600
Is there anyone else in the audience who would like to address item seven A?

589
01:07:03,210 --> 01:07:04,670
Yeah, I'm just checking.

590
01:07:05,510 --> 01:07:07,910
And anybody online who would like to address this item.

591
01:07:08,030 --> 01:07:09,710
You can raise your hand and be unmuted.

592
01:07:11,450 --> 01:07:13,830
Okay. Seeing none, I'll bring it back.

593
01:07:14,690 --> 01:07:16,290
Did you wish to comment or question?

594
01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:19,390
Okay. Then we're moving on.

595
01:07:19,390 --> 01:07:23,010
Item 7B is the online city council public comment form.

596
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:29,180
All right, so I don't know if you remember, but last meeting, we had a public comment

597
01:07:29,180 --> 01:07:34,800
with the suggestion of adding a form on our website to make public comments easier for

598
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:40,300
members of the community. So we heard that feedback and we thought it was a fabulous idea.

599
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:47,500
So we implemented that since our last meeting and now we have a form on our website where you

600
01:07:47,500 --> 01:07:52,800
submit a public comment directly to your council members, whatever you put in that

601
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:57,560
form will automatically be forwarded to the five council members, as well as myself and

602
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:03,060
our Assistant City Clerk for the record. So we're encouraging the public to take advantage

603
01:08:03,060 --> 01:08:09,560
of this awesome new form and the way you can do that is you can go to the City website by

604
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:13,820
clicking government and then going to the Communications City Clerk tab and clicking

605
01:08:13,820 --> 01:08:19,260
commenting at a city council meeting, and there is a link there, and it will have you directed

606
01:08:19,260 --> 01:08:26,180
to a form that looks like, sorry, this. It's a very basic form, and it's very washed out on

607
01:08:26,180 --> 01:08:32,100
the screen, but there's a section for your first name, last name, if you want to provide your phone

608
01:08:32,100 --> 01:08:37,120
number or your email, and then you can fill in the subject line, and then whatever comments you

609
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:42,280
want to send to the council. But we did want to give the disclaimer that your public, your comment

610
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:44,140
is going to be public record.

611
01:08:44,820 --> 01:08:47,680
And anything that you send will be added to the agenda packet

612
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:49,700
and viewable to the general public.

613
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,200
So if it's not something that you want there,

614
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:53,140
I wouldn't send it.

615
01:08:53,220 --> 01:08:56,940
But if it's something for an item on the council meeting agenda,

616
01:08:57,180 --> 01:08:58,920
we would love to have you try it out.

617
01:08:59,440 --> 01:09:01,220
And we're hoping to have some test subjects.

618
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,440
So if everyone wants to try it out, please give it a go.

619
01:09:05,620 --> 01:09:07,380
I'm just wondering if you think it would be a good idea

620
01:09:07,380 --> 01:09:10,940
and maybe to have a link to it from the agenda's page as well.

621
01:09:10,940 --> 01:09:19,180
Yeah, we can do that. Yeah, I think that would make it easier. Less clicks to get there, you know, trigger a lot of comments. So if we could cross length those.

622
01:09:19,440 --> 01:09:23,020
Yeah, we could maybe even do that on the first page of the agenda. So people see it right away.

623
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,720
Yeah, I think it's great. Thank you for doing that. Council member comments.

624
01:09:28,660 --> 01:09:30,720
Okay. I do have a speaker.

625
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:32,280
Curt Bianchi.

626
01:09:37,310 --> 01:09:59,830
Greetings Mayor Council members and staff. I was a person who had suggested the form and in addition to some some just some suggestions about written communication to the to the council and some of the written some of the suggestions I made for written comment got incorporated into the decorum document. I appreciate that

627
01:10:00,050 --> 01:10:07,190
And I came here tonight, because I wanted to thank staff, specifically, for actually implementing this form.

628
01:10:07,470 --> 01:10:11,270
So I feel like I, you know, I made a little difference here in half, wouldn't be.

629
01:10:11,370 --> 01:10:15,750
I haven't lived here that long, but it was something that my previous city had.

630
01:10:16,530 --> 01:10:20,490
So I just wanted to say thanks to staff, so I appreciate it.

631
01:10:20,690 --> 01:10:20,950
That's it.

632
01:10:21,070 --> 01:10:21,590
Thank you, Kurt.

633
01:10:21,810 --> 01:10:22,710
Thank you for coming on down.

634
01:10:24,930 --> 01:10:28,690
That's the only speaker, so if I have, is there anybody in the audience who would like to comment, Nancy?

635
01:10:28,690 --> 01:10:29,430
I

636
01:10:34,290 --> 01:10:38,290
didn't feel out of form. I didn't know I want to say anything because I didn't know about this.

637
01:10:38,550 --> 01:10:48,490
It's a great idea what I'm only concerned about having been a staff member for a city before and knowing what the council faces and the high commission face is

638
01:10:48,490 --> 01:11:00,770
going to be a deadline so that they have to get their comments in by a certain time so that you don't get bombarded with stuff at three o'clock in the afternoon of the night of a meeting.

639
01:11:04,250 --> 01:11:08,070
I anticipate there might be some problems with that aspect.

640
01:11:08,650 --> 01:11:09,670
I think it's a good idea,

641
01:11:11,730 --> 01:11:12,170
but...

642
01:11:12,170 --> 01:11:18,410
Yes, so we had a discussion about the timing of comments specific to agendas.

643
01:11:18,810 --> 01:11:22,590
Now, people can use that form to comment outside of meeting agendas,

644
01:11:23,250 --> 01:11:25,650
but we didn't discuss a cutoff date.

645
01:11:25,670 --> 01:11:28,610
What's the status of implementing that policy?

646
01:11:28,610 --> 01:11:30,430
That's all. Okay. Thank you, Nancy.

647
01:11:31,530 --> 01:11:46,290
Yeah, so we didn't receive any comments for this agenda, so there's nothing to implement right now, but we'll take public comments up until 2 PM to be incorporated into the agenda and then anything after that will be added as late correspondence at the end of the agenda.

648
01:11:46,830 --> 01:11:51,850
So if we get a lot of comments afterwards, they would just be added to the late correspondence section. That's great.

649
01:11:51,850 --> 01:12:09,630
And I just want to say that I noted another change at the top of the agenda, a recommendation from Jan Hanson about dealing with the meeting disruption and also making clear that people may comment online and that's okay.

650
01:12:09,870 --> 01:12:18,350
It's the hybrid way, you don't have to feel bad about not being here in person. So I see those changes are made too. I just want to acknowledge that and say thank you.

651
01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:28,950
I don't have any other speaker slips on one B. Is there anybody online who would like to address this item of the comment form?

652
01:12:30,090 --> 01:12:38,330
Seeing none, council members? Okay. So, I think we can move on. Thank you.

653
01:12:38,710 --> 01:12:41,850
We're going to public form now.

654
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:56,060
Trying to find a name. Oh, Jimmy Benjamin, first speaker?

655
01:12:56,060 --> 01:12:57,000
Thank

656
01:13:01,870 --> 01:13:08,770
you, Jimmy Benjamin 400, Polar Cito Savano, Good evening, Council, staff, members of the public, it's nice to see you all.

657
01:13:09,970 --> 01:13:19,510
I didn't want to comment on the public comment form per se, but with respect to the late deadline, I didn't want to offer one public comment that I'd mentioned in passing.

658
01:13:19,790 --> 01:13:26,810
I don't know if it filtered its way out to the broader group, but those of us who tried to develop thought integrated responses.

659
01:13:27,570 --> 01:13:31,930
sometimes need time after an agenda item is published.

660
01:13:32,330 --> 01:13:36,130
And if it gets published on a Friday for a meeting on Tuesday,

661
01:13:36,770 --> 01:13:40,450
that doesn't give us a lot of time to do our part of the civic duty

662
01:13:40,450 --> 01:13:43,430
that I think you look for us to do.

663
01:13:43,850 --> 01:13:49,250
So my suggestion was to respect the idea of a way correspondous section,

664
01:13:49,870 --> 01:13:54,050
but to protect those of us who need more time to provide you with information

665
01:13:54,050 --> 01:14:01,230
to be sure that the agenda report is published far enough in advance that we have that week of time that we need.

666
01:14:01,810 --> 01:14:07,690
So I'm asking that the not that you work harder and faster, but that there's an offset of time.

667
01:14:07,930 --> 01:14:12,910
From the time the agenda item is presented that those of us in the public need to comment on.

668
01:14:13,050 --> 01:14:14,410
And so the time it's discussed.

669
01:14:14,850 --> 01:14:17,410
And if we don't get it done in a week, that's kind of on us.

670
01:14:18,510 --> 01:14:22,050
But if we see it on Friday, Monday, May not be enough time.

671
01:14:22,050 --> 01:14:23,850
enough said about that.

672
01:14:24,730 --> 01:14:31,730
The item I actually wanted to speak on was the rehabilitation project for Highway 1.

673
01:14:32,990 --> 01:14:37,670
I think many of you were here for that part, and we, at the time, had a conversation

674
01:14:37,670 --> 01:14:44,670
about the potential impacts on hydrology of expanding the footprint of our roads.

675
01:14:44,670 --> 01:14:51,850
And it was a pretty carefully analyzed thoughtful conversation, lots of documents, the planning

676
01:14:51,850 --> 01:14:57,170
commission looked at it and thought about it, their resolution identified just a couple

677
01:14:57,170 --> 01:14:59,970
of places where we thought the road should be widened.

678
01:15:00,180 --> 01:15:07,400
When the item was appealed to the city council, the city council upheld those restrictions.

679
01:15:08,620 --> 01:15:13,540
And when the item was appealed to the Coastal Commission, the Coastal Commission upheld those restrictions.

680
01:15:13,860 --> 01:15:18,640
It's right there and the Coastal Development Permit that was issued by the Coastal Commission.

681
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:25,180
And so it was quite a surprise to find out that Highway 1 is being widened.

682
01:15:25,180 --> 01:15:39,860
Willie Nilly, all along Casa Del Mar, North of Frenchman's Greek road, I wish I'd been paying more attention, but my perception is it and the highway, the front of the road and the paved trails are getting wider.

683
01:15:40,660 --> 01:15:48,600
This concerns me because that's area that we should be able to absorb water that's coming into our sensitive habitats.

684
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:55,640
It also concerns me because the plant vegetation that used to be adjacent to that area has been stripped away.

685
01:15:56,060 --> 01:15:59,360
And here we are just a couple of months before the rainy season.

686
01:15:59,620 --> 01:16:02,640
I raised this with the Coastal Commission, I will keep you posted.

687
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:03,600
Thank you.

688
01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:05,200
Thank you, Jimmy.

689
01:16:07,580 --> 01:16:09,140
The next speaker is walking him in.

690
01:16:09,140 --> 01:16:09,800
I

691
01:16:19,810 --> 01:16:25,990
can't remember a series of members of the public, I'm a member of the stock working in the men's.

692
01:16:26,450 --> 01:16:28,110
I'm working in the social media.

693
01:16:30,230 --> 01:16:32,490
I want to speak again about a bucket of days.

694
01:16:32,850 --> 01:16:36,430
I've been working for a couple of days after the event.

695
01:16:37,110 --> 01:16:42,230
So I didn't have the opportunity to speak with the other members of the event.

696
01:16:44,170 --> 01:16:47,350
And a lot of different things came up.

697
01:16:47,650 --> 01:16:52,250
Most of them, 99.9% of the comments have been positive.

698
01:16:54,250 --> 01:17:01,030
The images, pictures, videos are still flowing into the social media.

699
01:17:01,370 --> 01:17:05,790
Instagram, Facebook, next door, I mean everywhere.

700
01:17:05,790 --> 01:17:17,010
have been well recognized as far south as Bakersfield for the event, for the Bakero days.

701
01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:29,110
One of the things that came up is a concern, a calming came up about a person, a person

702
01:17:29,110 --> 01:17:36,870
who, you know, are supposition in half, one way, a better, you know, downtown vendors, you

703
01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:39,990
know, if they were, they were complaining about the event.

704
01:17:41,470 --> 01:17:50,530
I medical, I medical to the president or the anti-association to ask, if any of the vendors

705
01:17:50,530 --> 01:17:56,850
are in the complaints of a care of days, and no, there were no complaints.

706
01:17:58,470 --> 01:18:01,330
So I don't know what this other person, you know, came up with, you know,

707
01:18:01,550 --> 01:18:03,270
or they were complaints from the local vendors.

708
01:18:05,090 --> 01:18:10,630
Actually, it came up positive, you know, we want to see this event, you know,

709
01:18:10,770 --> 01:18:17,270
having over a thousand people gather downtown, you know, or local businesses benefit from.

710
01:18:18,050 --> 01:18:25,510
restaurants, stores, we went to Kunia Country Store, you know my brother did, and asked George,

711
01:18:25,770 --> 01:18:32,810
you know the father, how was the weekend for them? And they said, great, they were happy,

712
01:18:33,170 --> 01:18:36,810
they were happy, but get all this happy right there, right next to them.

713
01:18:38,830 --> 01:18:39,630
It's an event that

714
01:18:39,630 --> 01:18:45,490
celebrates the heritage of the coastline, you know, or a question, heritage of the coastline,

715
01:18:45,490 --> 01:18:48,130
Samatil Khanik, California, that's out of waste.

716
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:50,770
You know, the Makeros, you, Samuel,

717
01:18:51,110 --> 01:18:54,690
who Samakero was recognized today for his work.

718
01:18:55,670 --> 01:18:57,790
You know, Makero is not about just writing horses.

719
01:18:58,990 --> 01:19:00,210
You know, anybody can write a horse.

720
01:19:00,770 --> 01:19:02,350
It takes more skills to be a Makero.

721
01:19:03,530 --> 01:19:04,910
You know, any shells prove, you know,

722
01:19:04,970 --> 01:19:07,010
with Samuel, you know, without a horse,

723
01:19:07,170 --> 01:19:11,230
you was able to write a not rope-able, you know, and save a life.

724
01:19:12,830 --> 01:19:13,930
So you know, the Makeros, they said,

725
01:19:13,930 --> 01:19:20,290
we are in a very proud, you know, to continue to do or celebration or the heritage of the coast

726
01:19:20,290 --> 01:19:25,870
in the equestrian culture of Somatio County. Thank you. Thank you very much.

727
01:19:27,250 --> 01:19:29,410
The next speaker is Jay Kling.

728
01:19:33,890 --> 01:19:39,550
Good evening. I just have a quick question in regards to the use of lock cameras in Haftman Bay.

729
01:19:39,690 --> 01:19:44,830
I'm wondering whether there's an update which you can share. Thank you.

730
01:19:46,370 --> 01:19:50,850
I believe it's coming up on a gender, maybe the next meeting agenda.

731
01:19:51,070 --> 01:19:54,310
September 15th, we're going to do a study session on the FARC.

732
01:19:54,690 --> 01:19:59,370
Yes, because the pilot contract that we have for the system...

733
01:20:00,300 --> 01:20:08,580
Only goes until like October 1, or end of October. Yeah, so we'll be discussing it at the September 15 meeting.

734
01:20:08,980 --> 01:20:12,160
Okay, good. And I will come back at that meeting. Okay, thank you.

735
01:20:15,460 --> 01:20:19,260
Is there anyone online who would like to comment on public forum?

736
01:20:21,810 --> 01:20:28,430
Seeing none, we will close public forum and we will move on to the consent calendar.

737
01:20:30,170 --> 01:20:33,770
I'm going to, sorry, go ahead.

738
01:20:35,630 --> 01:20:37,270
I'd like you to pull an item.

739
01:20:38,890 --> 01:20:39,490
Nine-h.

740
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:43,500
H.

741
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:08,260
Reading for the adoption of the zoning changes pursuant to the housing element.

742
01:21:10,580 --> 01:21:14,900
So I'm going to read anybody else want to pull anything before I read the items.

743
01:21:15,300 --> 01:21:45,280
So, the consent calendar consists of item 9A, wave reading of resolutions and ordinances, item 9B, approve minutes of the August 18th, 2026 special city council meeting, item 9C, approve minutes of the August 18th, 2026 regular city council meeting, item 9D, conflict eventorist code update, item 9E, approve the amended 2026 calendar of city council meetings, item 9F, approve mayors list of update.

744
01:21:45,300 --> 01:21:52,000
City Council representatives and designated assignments for 2026, item 9G, award professional

745
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:56,260
services agreement to Robert, Nihaz, Inc. for Suerate Study,

746
01:22:01,700 --> 01:22:03,080
and that's it.

747
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:06,560
So I'm going

748
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:13,260
to take a roll call if someone would like to make a motion. I move, which you said.

749
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,660
Is there a second?

750
01:22:18,900 --> 01:22:19,300
Second.

751
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:20,820
Can I have a roll call please?

752
01:22:21,100 --> 01:22:24,160
Madam Mayor, we should take public comment on the items before we...

753
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:24,460
Okay.

754
01:22:24,620 --> 01:22:25,120
That's a good idea.

755
01:22:25,740 --> 01:22:26,500
I almost forgot.

756
01:22:26,940 --> 01:22:27,500
I did forget.

757
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:33,780
Is there anybody in the room who would like to address any of the consent agenda items?

758
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:37,220
You may come to the podium and comment at this time.

759
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:41,760
Or if you're online and wish to address them, you can raise your hand and you will be on me to speak.

760
01:22:43,440 --> 01:22:46,620
Seeing none, I think we can move on to the roll call vote.

761
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:51,400
Madam Mayor, we don't have to take a roll call on items 9-8-9-9-9-G because it doesn't

762
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:56,460
include the ordinance or you can't do that if you want, you can still take a roll call

763
01:22:56,460 --> 01:22:56,920
if you'd like.

764
01:22:57,260 --> 01:22:59,120
I think we'll take a roll call on the other items.

765
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:02,840
Councilmember Brownstone?

766
01:23:02,980 --> 01:23:03,280
Yes.

767
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:04,460
Councilmember Johnson?

768
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:05,020
Yes.

769
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:06,680
Councilmember Naggingast?

770
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:07,080
Yes.

771
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:08,180
Mayor Reddick?

772
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:08,720
Yes.

773
01:23:08,940 --> 01:23:09,640
Motion carries.

774
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:20,800
So, we will move on and have a report on item 9-H, adopt an ordinance demanding the municipal code and local coastal program to implement the six cycle housing element.

775
01:23:23,730 --> 01:23:30,850
Madam Mayor, we don't have a report prepared and I wonder if maybe council member and I can guess would share some of the reasoning and then we can respond to that.

776
01:23:31,090 --> 01:23:31,590
Yes, thank you.

777
01:23:31,590 --> 01:23:32,590
Thank you.

778
01:23:32,590 --> 01:23:37,250
And I have just two questions, and then a statement prepared, as you know, the first reading

779
01:23:37,250 --> 01:23:38,910
I voted no on this.

780
01:23:39,490 --> 01:23:45,670
And so, something did come up by just quick couple of questions, and then I have a statement

781
01:23:45,670 --> 01:23:46,070
prepared.

782
01:23:46,230 --> 01:23:46,950
I'm going to want to read.

783
01:23:47,510 --> 01:23:52,450
But Section 6 says the ordinance becomes effective after 30 days in upon acknowledgement

784
01:23:52,450 --> 01:23:54,550
by the California Coastal Commission.

785
01:23:55,430 --> 01:23:57,370
What does the word acknowledgement mean?

786
01:23:57,370 --> 01:24:02,570
In this case, I don't think I've typically, I see certified certification and I'm sure

787
01:24:02,570 --> 01:24:04,790
what acknowledgment means in this case?

788
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:18,240
Yeah, I think in this case,

789
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:23,280
it means effectively certification.

790
01:24:24,500 --> 01:24:27,720
It can't take effect until it is certified by the Coastal Commission.

791
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:36,960
So shouldn't it say, acknowledge the certification by, I mean, to me it was just an odd thing

792
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:39,660
to hang in there, just acknowledge that.

793
01:24:39,660 --> 01:24:43,280
I think that's the intent is that it's acknowledgement is certification.

794
01:24:44,220 --> 01:24:45,600
Can we say that?

795
01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:50,300
Can we provide that in there just acknowledge that it's certification?

796
01:24:51,260 --> 01:24:57,520
Yes, I think that'd be a non-substantive change at this point if you want to substitute the word in and a majority of the council agrees.

797
01:24:57,860 --> 01:24:59,600
Just clear that up. Okay.

798
01:25:01,420 --> 01:25:06,120
Again, remember, I always have things about definitions and words. They mean something.

799
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:08,860
And if you come back, if we don't deal with it.

800
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:15,280
Just to be clear, though, it doesn't matter what's in the ordinance about whether it's certification or acknowledgement.

801
01:25:15,540 --> 01:25:24,840
The public resources code provides that it has to be certified before it becomes effective in the coastal zone, which is all of Happening Bay.

802
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:30,160
So we can change this word if a majority of the council desires that change.

803
01:25:30,980 --> 01:25:36,480
But it wouldn't, I'm going to put it back to the council again.

804
01:25:36,700 --> 01:25:39,720
I'm voting no on this, but thank you.

805
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:42,660
The recommendation doesn't have that language, right?

806
01:25:43,580 --> 01:25:46,100
No, it doesn't have the knowledge meant in there.

807
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:49,180
And whether we change it, that was my question.

808
01:25:49,220 --> 01:25:51,220
Why does it have the knowledge meant not certification?

809
01:25:52,380 --> 01:25:55,000
I'm not sure it's control language for one.

810
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:58,640
It's actually a really good idea.

811
01:25:59,460 --> 01:26:02,500
Let's substitute certification if it's okay with you guys.

812
01:26:03,860 --> 01:26:05,240
I'll second that.

813
01:26:07,100 --> 01:26:10,180
And then the next question, the ordinance says,

814
01:26:10,260 --> 01:26:13,640
No appeal of an approval by the buy right projects in the loud.

815
01:26:14,300 --> 01:26:16,660
Does that mean no local appeal only?

816
01:26:18,140 --> 01:26:21,040
Does that mean also mean the ordinance does not?

817
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:26,280
It does or it doesn't eliminate any appeal rights that may still exist to the Coastal Commission.

818
01:26:27,220 --> 01:26:31,180
So if it's a buy right, is there still any appeal to the Coastal Commission?

819
01:26:31,620 --> 01:26:40,020
I think I read if it's in a Coastal zone, it's a Department Head Coastal Development Permit.

820
01:26:40,900 --> 01:26:44,500
But does that mean no appeals to the Coastal Commission?

821
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:49,500
Well Denise may have to correct me if I'm wrong here,

822
01:26:49,500 --> 01:26:54,460
but my understanding of by-right is that it does not apply in the appeal

823
01:26:54,460 --> 01:27:01,520
jurisdiction within the coastal zone only in other areas, which in the

824
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:04,080
town of Halfway Bay is still in the coastal zone, but not the appeal

825
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:05,660
jurisdiction, so it would not be a people.

826
01:27:08,210 --> 01:27:12,650
But is it still a people if it's in the appealable areas of the coastal zone?

827
01:27:14,250 --> 01:27:15,670
So it's not a people at all.

828
01:27:15,950 --> 01:27:16,810
You agree with that?

829
01:27:16,910 --> 01:27:17,550
Is that correct?

830
01:27:18,950 --> 01:27:24,550
I believe so, but I haven't, excuse me, I believe so, but I haven't actually researched

831
01:27:24,550 --> 01:27:25,690
that particular issue.

832
01:27:25,890 --> 01:27:27,750
I believe director like it was correct though.

833
01:27:29,010 --> 01:27:33,770
Okay, well, there may be a test case, so I may come up, I mean, that's how I'm fine.

834
01:27:33,970 --> 01:27:39,850
Again, I'm voting knows, but I think that's, it's a good question to find, you know.

835
01:27:40,490 --> 01:27:46,850
But, all right, that's it on my question, I'm going to, I have a statement prepared, I'm

836
01:27:46,850 --> 01:27:48,370
voting no in this ordinance.

837
01:27:48,970 --> 01:27:52,730
This is not because I oppose housing or completing our housing element.

838
01:27:53,330 --> 01:27:57,710
I simply believe we are moving forward while some basic questions are still an answer.

839
01:27:58,450 --> 01:28:02,150
First the ordinance says it becomes effective upon coastal commission acknowledgement,

840
01:28:02,770 --> 01:28:04,590
but the legal requirement appears to be certification.

841
01:28:05,170 --> 01:28:08,870
I hear we're going to address that, so we're going to have certification in there.

842
01:28:09,570 --> 01:28:16,690
The ordinance also says certain by rights projects that have no local appeal, no public hearing.

843
01:28:17,710 --> 01:28:21,430
Again, how does that work when the Coast of our Christ may still apply?

844
01:28:22,350 --> 01:28:23,970
I didn't hear an answer on that.

845
01:28:24,250 --> 01:28:30,510
We're not for sure certain whether we can appeal to the Coastal Commission in the appeal zone.

846
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:40,000
I think Director Laco said that if it's in the Coastal Commission appeals jurisdiction,

847
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:47,420
then it still is appealable to the Coastal Commission, but if it's not in their appeals in

848
01:28:47,420 --> 01:28:52,220
their specific appeals jurisdiction, then there may not be a right to appeal.

849
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:53,780
That's how we are now.

850
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:57,060
Is that correct, director, like, oh, did I summarize it correctly?

851
01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:07,760
Yeah, and I would add that it's my understanding that BIRATE does not apply in the appeal

852
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:08,540
jurisdiction.

853
01:29:11,330 --> 01:29:18,670
Okay, if that's true. All right, I'm just, I'm bringing these up, but that's.

854
01:29:18,670 --> 01:29:29,730
Could I, could I ask a follow-up question at that point? So irrespective of, by right, there

855
01:29:30,390 --> 01:29:39,370
is, there are circumstances that development can be appeals of the Coastal Commission in the

856
01:29:39,370 --> 01:29:45,850
know what Peel's own. If there's environmentally sensitive habitat or it's a major public

857
01:29:45,850 --> 01:29:47,070
works project,

858
01:29:49,270 --> 01:29:52,210
I think I'm correct about that. That is correct. We went through that and we were

859
01:29:52,210 --> 01:29:59,950
doing the training, the fire training tower, and that was a Peel because it was a part of

860
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:27,140
Social of land that was close to wetlands. And it was also, I think, a major public facility. So now, if there's a buy right, if a project area is zoned for buy right. And these other things are discovered. Does that become appealable then? And the no appeals, though? Like does that do those conditions still apply?

861
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:35,080
It's a really good question, under SB 35, which allows by-right,

862
01:30:37,500 --> 01:30:44,080
that would take that property out of the by-right possibility.

863
01:30:44,580 --> 01:30:45,280
That's right.

864
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:45,460
That's right.

865
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:53,880
By-right generally, I think it would be the same, but I'm not sure.

866
01:30:54,500 --> 01:30:57,000
And I'm not, I don't know if Denise knows the answer to that.

867
01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:05,320
When we establish by right parcels, we've looked at the issue, are there natural resources and what kind of a project would there be?

868
01:31:05,620 --> 01:31:07,720
So it might be answered up front, but.

869
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:09,440
Right.

870
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:12,920
And there are there is a recent bill.

871
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:19,200
City Manager Chitister just pointed to me a bill that was signed into law in 2025,

872
01:31:19,740 --> 01:31:26,980
which does limit the coastal commissions authority to hear appeals on certain residential housing projects in the coastal zone.

873
01:31:27,940 --> 01:31:34,000
While also excluding projects in sensitive coastal areas from its broader

874
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:38,120
secret and full exemption, so this is Assembly Bill 130.

875
01:31:39,740 --> 01:31:47,420
So I think there are exceptions that would prevent an appeal to the coastal

876
01:31:47,420 --> 01:31:52,800
commission, even in the coastal commission appeal jurisdiction based on that

877
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:53,900
review of the law.

878
01:31:55,410 --> 01:31:57,550
Okay, did you get the answer?

879
01:31:58,590 --> 01:31:58,790
Yeah.

880
01:31:59,470 --> 01:32:01,590
I know we talked earlier tonight.

881
01:32:02,230 --> 01:32:04,770
The unique half of them bay were totally in the coastal zone.

882
01:32:05,390 --> 01:32:10,710
It brings different challenges for us to navigate through

883
01:32:10,710 --> 01:32:12,660
than a lot of the cities don't have to.

884
01:32:13,410 --> 01:32:16,950
So I just, that's something we need to acknowledge and roll is

885
01:32:16,950 --> 01:32:17,830
reckoned with.

886
01:32:18,130 --> 01:32:20,830
But let me finish my statement before we finish this item.

887
01:32:21,370 --> 01:32:25,050
So tonight, my question is, why are we rezoning

888
01:32:25,050 --> 01:32:29,610
particular properties if we already are discussing and removing or replacing them later.

889
01:32:29,810 --> 01:32:34,050
There was a discussion on several properties coming back later and taking those out.

890
01:32:35,410 --> 01:32:38,810
And I would ask, were other reasonable sites fully considered?

891
01:32:39,550 --> 01:32:45,590
Does ACD actually housing and community development, a state of California, which ACD

892
01:32:45,590 --> 01:32:51,970
actually require these specific properties? Or does the city of flexibility to use other appropriate sites?

893
01:32:51,970 --> 01:32:58,930
The ordinance says ACD requires the necessary zoning, but does it not say ACD selected every

894
01:32:58,930 --> 01:33:00,590
parcel before us tonight?

895
01:33:01,670 --> 01:33:06,130
And if we remove these sites after certification, what process do we have to go through

896
01:33:06,130 --> 01:33:06,650
again?

897
01:33:07,150 --> 01:33:11,330
You know, we go through this whole combo, you know, very long process again.

898
01:33:11,650 --> 01:33:12,970
For me, it comes down to this.

899
01:33:13,350 --> 01:33:17,750
If we already know there are questions about the sites and questions about how this ordinance

900
01:33:17,750 --> 01:33:21,810
will work, why are we going to prove it tonight and try to fix it later, I think we should

901
01:33:21,810 --> 01:33:25,110
I've got the answers first before moving forward.

902
01:33:25,370 --> 01:33:27,490
And again, for that reason, I will be voting no.

903
01:33:28,610 --> 01:33:29,410
Thank you.

904
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:34,820
Any other comments or questions from council members?

905
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:39,900
I have no speaker slips.

906
01:33:40,020 --> 01:33:42,880
Is there anybody in the audience who would like to address this item

907
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:45,960
of 9-H, which is the adoption of the zoning changes

908
01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:49,100
pursuant to the housing element certification?

909
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:53,220
Is there anyone online who would like to discuss this item?

910
01:33:54,470 --> 01:34:02,730
Seeing none, I will entertain a motion for item 9-H.

911
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:09,240
I move that way.

912
01:34:09,480 --> 01:34:13,180
We leave the second reading and adopted an ordinance, amending Title 18, zoning of the municipal

913
01:34:13,180 --> 01:34:19,060
code and local coastal program, implementation plan, implement zoning changes identified

914
01:34:19,060 --> 01:34:25,020
in the local coastal program, land use plan, and the sixth cycle housing element.

915
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:27,400
Do we have a second?

916
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:38,340
Just to clarify to the maker of the motion, do you want to propose any amendments to Section 6, or do you want to leave it as this?

917
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:43,540
You're talking about the word certification, yes, I think we want to do that.

918
01:34:43,660 --> 01:34:45,140
Do you accept that amendment to your motion?

919
01:34:45,780 --> 01:34:50,460
Yes, so changing, revising a word, acknowledge in Section 6 to certified.

920
01:34:50,460 --> 01:34:51,080
Yes.

921
01:34:52,060 --> 01:34:52,580
And you...

922
01:34:52,580 --> 01:34:54,720
Would you like a second that amended motion?

923
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:55,800
I'd like the second.

924
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:56,740
The amended motion.

925
01:34:57,960 --> 01:34:58,740
Could I have a roll, please?

926
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:28,600
Councilmember Brownstone. Yes. Councilmember Johnson. Yes. Councilmember nagging, guest. No. Mayor, redic. Yes. Motion carries. Thank you. So I'm going to call for a five minute break. Potentially as much as a ten minute break. Everybody had a chance to use the facilities and meet and greet and all that good stuff. And when we come back, we're going to talk about the measure detransfers,

927
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:41,400
which is to approve twenty

928
01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:43,160
to you 26 measure D transfers.

929
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:45,100
All right,

930
01:36:47,380 --> 01:36:49,600
good evening, Mayor Ruddick, and Council members.

931
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:54,300
I'm Ruby, assistant planner, and I'll be presenting on the measure D transfers for

932
01:36:54,300 --> 01:36:55,120
2026.

933
01:36:56,280 --> 01:37:01,900
But first, we want to give you a quick update on the municipal code amendments for

934
01:37:01,900 --> 01:37:07,200
measure D. Staff has been working with Miller Planning Associates over the last four months

935
01:37:07,200 --> 01:37:12,240
on the larger implementation plan update, and part of this update is to address

936
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:18,840
some administrative and implementation issues with measure D as required by our housing

937
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:23,280
element program 6-8 and as requested by Council in the past.

938
01:37:24,140 --> 01:37:30,460
These code amendments are being drafted right now and the amendments we're considering are

939
01:37:30,460 --> 01:37:37,040
fractional allocations for ADUs, some potential mechanisms for rolling over unused or expired

940
01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:44,100
allocations and improving administrative procedures for transparency and making the process

941
01:37:44,100 --> 01:37:47,580
overall less burdensome for both staff and applicants.

942
01:37:49,120 --> 01:37:54,540
We intend on finishing these measure D amendments ahead of the larger implementation plan update,

943
01:37:55,160 --> 01:37:58,940
which must be completed by the end of December 2027.

944
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:04,000
But they will not be completed for the January Measure D application period.

945
01:38:05,570 --> 01:38:12,230
So, getting into the transfers, measured D is the city's growth management system.

946
01:38:12,890 --> 01:38:18,450
Its purpose is to provide for orderly, sustainable and responsible development.

947
01:38:18,950 --> 01:38:26,130
It is incorporated into the city's local coastal land use plan under policy 2-16, and it aims

948
01:38:26,130 --> 01:38:31,650
to concentrate development in existing developed areas, protect coastal and environmental

949
01:38:31,650 --> 01:38:34,910
resources and accommodate infrastructural constraints.

950
01:38:37,180 --> 01:38:44,120
Measured D was adopted in 1999 by voters and certified in 2009 by the Coastal Commission

951
01:38:44,480 --> 01:38:51,280
and it accommodates for up to 1.5% of population growth annually split between the downtown

952
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:53,160
and the outside downtown areas.

953
01:38:54,280 --> 01:38:59,880
Within the downtown area, 0.5% is initially provided and council each year can approve

954
01:38:59,880 --> 01:39:06,480
an additional bonus point five percent, which it has historically and for 2026 as well.

955
01:39:07,540 --> 01:39:12,080
There are very few exemptions under Measure D, which are the replacement of units on a

956
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:15,280
one-to-one basis and density bonus units.

957
01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:24,540
So the transfer process has only been done a few times in 2019-2021 and 2025.

958
01:39:25,260 --> 01:39:30,460
It's at the discretion of City Council if transfers will be approved each year, how many,

959
01:39:30,460 --> 01:39:33,640
and also what criteria will be considered.

960
01:39:34,460 --> 01:39:41,820
In 2019, Council adopted some criteria to consider for these transfers, given that the code provides

961
01:39:41,820 --> 01:39:43,900
very minimal guidance on the process.

962
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:50,200
It does provide that if the downtown base allocations, though, have not all been applied for

963
01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:54,460
by September 1st, today unused allocations may be transferred.

964
01:39:55,500 --> 01:39:59,960
at the March 10th, 2026 planning, commission meeting, commission.

965
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:08,200
Reactioners ratified the outside downtown application scoring and recommended that the city council approve any available transfers.

966
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:15,820
So this flow chart shows how the allocations were distributed for 2026.

967
01:40:16,740 --> 01:40:27,480
The 1.5% growth limit translated to 70 total allocations for this year split between downtown and outside of downtown.

968
01:40:27,480 --> 01:40:37,740
All 23 available outside downtown allocations were distributed in March leaving 20 allocation requests to be deferred.

969
01:40:38,060 --> 01:40:46,720
For downtown we received only four allocation requests, and so there are 20 base allocations left over, available for transfer.

970
01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:54,340
staff provided an online form to all of these deferred applicants, asking them to complete it

971
01:40:54,340 --> 01:41:00,460
and reaffirm their interest in a measure the allocation and only 19 out of the 20 deferred

972
01:41:00,460 --> 01:41:02,460
applications requested transfers.

973
01:41:07,740 --> 01:41:12,960
So in 2019, again, when City Council adopted the resolution for procedures for transfers,

974
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:15,080
there were five criteria that were provided.

975
01:41:15,080 --> 01:41:20,960
Among these staff determined that the projects being recommended, tonight, meet all criteria.

976
01:41:22,120 --> 01:41:26,020
There are no known pending applications for downtown base allocations.

977
01:41:26,540 --> 01:41:30,260
All recommended projects include some form of more affordable housing

978
01:41:30,260 --> 01:41:37,020
and all recommended single family residences include an affordable component such as an ADU

979
01:41:37,020 --> 01:41:41,080
with one special case which I'll go into later on.

980
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:47,660
Lastly, staff has provided a recommendation for this evening, but Council may provide any

981
01:41:47,660 --> 01:41:51,060
other applicable criteria to be considered for these transfers.

982
01:41:52,200 --> 01:41:57,720
There's one additional criterion that was written into the resolution that an applicant

983
01:41:57,720 --> 01:42:03,380
for a transfer should be able to demonstrate that the development permit applications be already

984
01:42:03,380 --> 01:42:09,140
prepared for a submittal before a measure D allocation is awarded, but this was not required

985
01:42:09,140 --> 01:42:15,780
of applicants because plan preparation can be quite costly for applicants and would not be

986
01:42:15,780 --> 01:42:19,200
reasonable for staff to take in these 19 applications.

987
01:42:19,660 --> 01:42:24,780
That potentially would not have received a measure D transfer allocation or their project

988
01:42:24,780 --> 01:42:25,920
might change significantly.

989
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:32,060
And this is the kind of barrier that we would want to address in our measure D code amendments.

990
01:42:35,010 --> 01:42:40,050
So to summarize, the requested transfers, again, we received 19 requests out of the 20 that

991
01:42:40,050 --> 01:42:46,750
previously deferred. The table on the right breaks down the allocation requests by type of housing.

992
01:42:47,350 --> 01:42:54,430
So nine allocation requests are for single-family residences with ADUs, nine for ADUs, only,

993
01:42:54,870 --> 01:42:58,090
and one for single-family residence only.

994
01:43:00,780 --> 01:43:04,540
Diving a little bit deeper, this table shows the 15

995
01:43:04,540 --> 01:43:10,460
projects which requested the 19 allocations and their corresponding application scores.

996
01:43:10,460 --> 01:43:32,600
We've highlighted that one single family residence allocation request for 32 Genolane, which would not typically be considered for transfer without an ADU component according to the 2019 criteria, but this is kind of a unique case as there's already a built ADU on the property.

997
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:39,300
This existing ADU was part of a combined single family residence and ADU application I was

998
01:43:39,300 --> 01:43:45,820
approved in 2001 but only the ADU was ever built and over the years the development rights

999
01:43:45,820 --> 01:43:53,080
to the single family home were extinguished and the intention now is to build that single

1000
01:43:53,080 --> 01:43:58,560
family home and convert the existing structure on the property to an ADU.

1001
01:44:01,440 --> 01:44:16,280
Staff is recommending that the City Council approves the transfer of 19 of these remaining downtown base allocations based on the criteria explained earlier and the scoring approved by the planning commission in March.

1002
01:44:17,850 --> 01:44:23,330
If the Council does not accept the recommendation, Council could direct staff to return with

1003
01:44:23,330 --> 01:44:25,230
other criteria to consider for transfers.

1004
01:44:26,190 --> 01:44:31,710
But if Council accepts the recommendation, the next steps would be for staff to return in December

1005
01:44:31,710 --> 01:44:38,250
to establish the number of allocations for 2027 for the application period which would start

1006
01:44:38,250 --> 01:44:38,870
in January.

1007
01:44:40,150 --> 01:44:41,330
Thank you very much.

1008
01:44:42,750 --> 01:44:43,110
Thank you.

1009
01:44:43,110 --> 01:44:49,570
I just like to say I thought the staff report was very well done and I thought it was a nice presentation too.

1010
01:44:49,850 --> 01:44:57,410
I felt like I really had a grasp on the issues after reading that staff report, so thank you to staff very well done.

1011
01:44:58,190 --> 01:44:59,950
I'll open this with a clarifying question.

1012
01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:12,200
I don't have a clarifying question, but I was a guy that was skeptical when we did the allocations

1013
01:45:12,200 --> 01:45:19,580
that 17 in multiple years, I wanted to split him up even more. But I see it this year, it

1014
01:45:19,580 --> 01:45:24,580
worked out pretty much everybody that wanted a measure D is going to get one,

1015
01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:29,980
right, this

1016
01:45:32,360 --> 01:45:47,620
I just want to comment on that too because I had the impression that when we were first talking about this, it was it's the last year this time and that some people weren't going to get their measure dees and now I'm here and that everyone's kind of gotten it so I'm pretty pleased with this because I thought we were having some issues with that.

1017
01:45:48,120 --> 01:45:54,940
And it was easy to read. This is not an easy topic to follow along with but it's you guys are doing a great job on it. Thank you.

1018
01:45:54,940 --> 01:45:56,040
Thank you.

1019
01:45:56,620 --> 01:45:59,100
So I think I'll just open this up to public comment.

1020
01:45:59,260 --> 01:46:00,680
We have a couple of slips here.

1021
01:46:01,020 --> 01:46:02,240
I'll start with Sophia Whiting.

1022
01:46:12,840 --> 01:46:14,860
Good evening and thank you.

1023
01:46:15,900 --> 01:46:18,820
I'm encouraged that it sounds like the council is inclined

1024
01:46:18,820 --> 01:46:20,500
to approve of these transfers.

1025
01:46:21,980 --> 01:46:23,600
And I would recommend that as well.

1026
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:27,140
It would allow for additional housing in half a day, which

1027
01:46:27,140 --> 01:46:30,120
we all know is of her amount concern to the council

1028
01:46:30,120 --> 01:46:30,920
in the city.

1029
01:46:31,740 --> 01:46:34,720
This year so far before the approval of these transfers,

1030
01:46:34,720 --> 01:46:42,840
Not a single family residence has been approved to be built in all half Mumbai, which is pretty

1031
01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:43,360
assounding.

1032
01:46:44,980 --> 01:46:50,580
But allowing these transfers would let that happen with projects that, you know, consider

1033
01:46:50,580 --> 01:46:56,380
all of these things that the planning department has invested in this point system.

1034
01:46:56,740 --> 01:47:03,580
So it would allow for people to build on their their land, but in a way that's responsible

1035
01:47:03,580 --> 01:47:05,840
and encourages affordable housing.

1036
01:47:06,700 --> 01:47:09,780
For my family, for the project at 22 Kelly,

1037
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:12,740
that would mean that my family can stay

1038
01:47:12,740 --> 01:47:13,800
living on the coast.

1039
01:47:14,920 --> 01:47:17,400
On a property that's been in my family for decades,

1040
01:47:18,600 --> 01:47:20,700
and we otherwise wouldn't be able to afford to buy

1041
01:47:20,700 --> 01:47:21,740
in Half Moon Bay.

1042
01:47:23,000 --> 01:47:25,480
And in addition to that, where we're currently renting,

1043
01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:27,840
would free up additional housing, and our new project

1044
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:29,260
includes an affordable ADU.

1045
01:47:29,800 --> 01:47:31,420
So I think this is a great recommendation

1046
01:47:31,420 --> 01:47:34,160
and I hope the council follows it. Thank you.

1047
01:47:36,230 --> 01:47:36,710
Amy Miller.

1048
01:47:47,250 --> 01:47:51,310
Hi, good evening. My name's Amy Miller. I'm a property owner at 59-Garero.

1049
01:47:52,790 --> 01:47:58,830
We have applied for a measure D allocation and I just wanted to kind of give you guys an idea

1050
01:47:58,830 --> 01:48:06,490
of what our plan is. My parents live in Santa Cruz. My dad is 80. My mom is 73. Ellen Willow.

1051
01:48:07,270 --> 01:48:16,830
They've been co-siders their entire life, and our plan is to build an ADU where they're able to come and live with us,

1052
01:48:16,830 --> 01:48:22,170
but still have their independence, living on our property, but being a part of our family on a regular basis,

1053
01:48:23,090 --> 01:48:28,130
so that as they do age they're in great health right now, think in us, but as they do age and they need help,

1054
01:48:28,690 --> 01:48:32,450
we're able to provide that. They're able to be a part of our children's lives,

1055
01:48:32,450 --> 01:48:37,470
And I just am really hoping and praying that you guys approved the

1056
01:48:37,470 --> 01:48:41,770
reallocation so that we can bring my parents close so they're not making that drive up

1057
01:48:41,770 --> 01:48:44,090
and down Highway 1, which is a little scary.

1058
01:48:45,050 --> 01:48:45,610
Thank you guys.

1059
01:48:45,650 --> 01:48:46,610
Appreciate the consideration.

1060
01:48:49,030 --> 01:48:49,890
Thank you very much.

1061
01:48:51,410 --> 01:48:53,250
I don't see any hands raised online.

1062
01:48:53,410 --> 01:48:56,770
Is there anyone online who would like to discuss the measure de-transverse?

1063
01:48:56,890 --> 01:48:58,590
You can raise your hands and be unmuted?

1064
01:49:00,050 --> 01:49:02,650
I'm seeing none, I'll bring it back to the council.

1065
01:49:03,870 --> 01:49:05,810
For additional comment or motion?

1066
01:49:09,700 --> 01:49:10,600
Yeah, I think this is great.

1067
01:49:10,700 --> 01:49:13,200
I'm a big supporter of ADUs.

1068
01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:17,280
There's been some years where he actually haven't used

1069
01:49:17,280 --> 01:49:19,960
or allocations up.

1070
01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:23,100
And I think having this transfer policy is great.

1071
01:49:24,420 --> 01:49:26,640
So, yeah, I'm ready.

1072
01:49:27,700 --> 01:49:28,900
I'll be voting yes.

1073
01:49:31,270 --> 01:49:34,210
No, I'm ready to make a motion if we're ready.

1074
01:49:35,410 --> 01:49:37,750
I make a motion to adopt a resolution

1075
01:49:37,750 --> 01:49:41,430
approving the transfer of 19 of the remaining downtown

1076
01:49:41,430 --> 01:49:45,690
based measure D allocations to be used for new dwelling units

1077
01:49:45,690 --> 01:49:48,270
proposed in the outside downtown area,

1078
01:49:48,770 --> 01:49:51,090
prioritize according to the scoring within the measure

1079
01:49:51,090 --> 01:49:55,590
de-application checklist and has shown within the exhibit A

1080
01:49:55,590 --> 01:49:58,230
that's attached to the resolution attachment one.

1081
01:49:58,230 --> 01:49:58,970
Second.

1082
01:50:06,960 --> 01:50:20,020
Council member Brownstone, council member Johnson, yes, motion carries. Moving on to item 11A, consideration

1083
01:50:20,020 --> 01:50:24,060
of extending health benefits eligibility to elected officials.

1084
01:51:02,650 --> 01:51:07,730
Good evening Madam Mayor, Council members, members of the public, so I'm here presenting

1085
01:51:07,730 --> 01:51:08,430
this item.

1086
01:51:08,650 --> 01:51:14,290
This is Council Health Benefits eligibility for elected officials.

1087
01:51:16,610 --> 01:51:21,870
Quick background on this, so currently the city provides medical insurance and other

1088
01:51:21,870 --> 01:51:27,710
health benefits to our employees as requirement by state law and in the business of being

1089
01:51:27,710 --> 01:51:28,850
a good employer.

1090
01:51:28,850 --> 01:51:36,750
Currently the benefit is that the city contributes up the city offers health plans to

1091
01:51:36,750 --> 01:51:45,970
CalPERS. CalPERS is another state agency that handles pension and retirement for public

1092
01:51:45,970 --> 01:51:55,530
employees, but also offers health plans. They provide HMOs, PPOs, and is because most

1093
01:51:55,530 --> 01:51:58,870
agencies go with them, they become at affordable rates.

1094
01:52:00,090 --> 01:52:03,130
The city contributes up to the Kaiser rates.

1095
01:52:03,550 --> 01:52:06,650
Employees have their choice of a handful of plans,

1096
01:52:06,750 --> 01:52:09,910
but the city contributes up to the Kaiser rate.

1097
01:52:10,350 --> 01:52:14,710
Since Kaiser is a benchmark for, as an HMO provider,

1098
01:52:15,110 --> 01:52:18,530
but also decent health coverage.

1099
01:52:19,750 --> 01:52:23,650
They help benefits are not currently extended to council members.

1100
01:52:25,050 --> 01:52:33,990
So about 10 months or so back in November, December, Council was interested in exploring what

1101
01:52:33,990 --> 01:52:38,210
that can look like if we can extend health benefits to Council members.

1102
01:52:39,270 --> 01:52:46,850
We had our first presentation in February that has a information because the city was going through

1103
01:52:46,850 --> 01:52:56,030
we're going to go she's council and the city decided to hold off until they concluded to return

1104
01:52:56,030 --> 01:52:57,310
back to this conversation.

1105
01:52:58,090 --> 01:53:03,170
Now that negotiations has ended, this item is back for council discussion and hopefully

1106
01:53:03,170 --> 01:53:09,370
we're hoping to get some direction if council wants to continue and proceed with this and

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01:53:09,370 --> 01:53:12,230
what kind of framework council is interested in.

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01:53:15,080 --> 01:53:22,400
So as I mentioned, we offer a CalPur's Health, which offers a lot of different plans between

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01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:27,500
HMO and PPO plans. You can see a handful of them on the screen there, Kaiser,

1110
01:53:28,060 --> 01:53:34,580
Anthem Blue Cross, Michelle, the United, and then for our PPO plans, Per's Gold and Platinum.

1111
01:53:35,480 --> 01:53:41,980
So there's quite a bit of options available, and you can see the various ways between single,

1112
01:53:41,980 --> 01:53:43,940
to party or family.

1113
01:53:48,760 --> 01:53:52,380
Extending health coverage to council members or elected officials,

1114
01:53:53,300 --> 01:53:56,360
one way to do it is to extend the CalPERS offerings

1115
01:53:56,360 --> 01:53:57,720
to council members.

1116
01:53:58,060 --> 01:54:00,640
This is the most common way to go.

1117
01:54:01,240 --> 01:54:05,720
Staff, to go look at other agencies of what they do.

1118
01:54:06,140 --> 01:54:09,440
If they do offer medical insurance to elected officials,

1119
01:54:10,480 --> 01:54:13,700
and by far, the most common practices

1120
01:54:13,700 --> 01:54:17,460
to extend the CalPERS offerings.

1121
01:54:18,500 --> 01:54:19,880
There is a bit of a wrinkle though,

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01:54:20,020 --> 01:54:21,060
as far as eligibility.

1123
01:54:21,900 --> 01:54:25,120
So CalPERS is famously restrictive

1124
01:54:25,120 --> 01:54:26,820
and famously particular.

1125
01:54:28,640 --> 01:54:30,500
On the only elected officials

1126
01:54:30,500 --> 01:54:31,620
that would be eligible,

1127
01:54:32,480 --> 01:54:34,880
or what they call non-appearers members.

1128
01:54:35,680 --> 01:54:38,780
So if no elected official is currently employed

1129
01:54:38,780 --> 01:54:40,800
with another CalPERS employer,

1130
01:54:41,440 --> 01:54:43,340
or retired from another CalPERS

1131
01:54:43,340 --> 01:54:50,220
employer. They wouldn't be able to enroll the the basis for that is that cow

1132
01:54:50,220 --> 01:54:56,240
purse. That person is already potentially giving me health benefits or has

1133
01:54:56,240 --> 01:54:59,420
the opportunity to get health benefits to the employer or their previous

1134
01:54:59,420 --> 01:54:59,800
employer.

1135
01:55:00,180 --> 01:55:07,440
And in Calp Resize, they stick to their tie to that employer.

1136
01:55:10,450 --> 01:55:21,290
For elected officials who aren't in Calp Res, either previously or currently, they would be eligible in the eligibility and at the end of the elected term.

1137
01:55:22,970 --> 01:55:31,650
Overall, for if council were to go this route, Calp Res has an implementation of a take about 90 days from a signed resolution.

1138
01:55:31,650 --> 01:55:36,470
So, if the scenario or council wants to go this route,

1139
01:55:37,050 --> 01:55:39,830
that will come back with a resolution next meeting,

1140
01:55:41,770 --> 01:55:44,130
and an estimated implementation time would be

1141
01:55:44,130 --> 01:55:46,930
of January of next year, January 2027.

1142
01:55:53,060 --> 01:55:54,180
So, as far as cost,

1143
01:55:54,940 --> 01:55:58,000
there's a different amount of strategies between agencies,

1144
01:55:58,280 --> 01:55:59,200
some agencies,

1145
01:55:59,980 --> 01:56:02,040
to do the minimum, some agencies,

1146
01:56:03,240 --> 01:56:05,420
to extend whatever they offer to employees,

1147
01:56:05,420 --> 01:56:13,620
to elected officials, the big limitation and the big thing to consider and hold

1148
01:56:13,620 --> 01:56:21,240
to that by law, the city cannot offer better benefits to elected officials than employees.

1149
01:56:22,320 --> 01:56:26,760
So the practice that we've seen with other agencies is to extend the exact same

1150
01:56:26,760 --> 01:56:35,340
benefits structure. So, if agency provides 9% of the cost to the employees, 90% to

1151
01:56:35,340 --> 01:56:41,880
elected officials, the treat that everyone the same. Given that, there are a few options

1152
01:56:41,880 --> 01:56:47,500
for council to play in and discuss about how to do the cost structure.

1153
01:56:50,210 --> 01:56:51,370
I have three options

1154
01:56:51,370 --> 01:56:56,210
for you. Option one is just to pay the legal minimum. This is called a PIMP

1155
01:56:56,210 --> 01:57:03,850
minimum, and it is $1,162 a month per and a rowly for 2026. It goes up a little bit with

1156
01:57:03,850 --> 01:57:10,970
CIP every year, but it's a very nominal increase. As you can imagine, this is the cheapest option

1157
01:57:10,970 --> 01:57:16,770
for the city, but the most expensive option to an elected official who decides to enroll.

1158
01:57:21,290 --> 01:57:21,850
This

1159
01:57:21,850 --> 01:57:29,750
thing about this is that more likely than not, in order for them to pay for their portion,

1160
01:57:30,450 --> 01:57:34,930
we would have to, the city would have to deduct from doing the course of payroll and then

1161
01:57:34,930 --> 01:57:38,090
also on top of that individually bill that elected official.

1162
01:57:39,570 --> 01:57:42,390
So there's also administrative costs to this.

1163
01:57:46,700 --> 01:57:54,280
Option two is that the city can have the elected official contribute up to the stipend amount,

1164
01:57:54,280 --> 01:58:02,900
the $1,055 a month, and in the city pick up the remainder, this is a more uncommon structure

1165
01:58:02,900 --> 01:58:10,680
but it's possible, and this is really to get away from having to individually build an

1166
01:58:10,680 --> 01:58:15,760
elected official, but it's pretty uncommon to see in the maybe unorthodox.

1167
01:58:19,960 --> 01:58:25,240
In option three, just to extend an exact same benefit that employees receive, which is the city

1168
01:58:25,240 --> 01:58:29,360
should be up to the Kaiser rate, and then there were really covers the remainder.

1169
01:58:30,980 --> 01:58:37,480
This will be the soft recommendation to Council as it keeps equitable between employees

1170
01:58:37,480 --> 01:58:41,000
and Council, but it is most costly.

1171
01:58:41,660 --> 01:58:46,340
So it would be about almost 200K additional year.

1172
01:58:47,520 --> 01:58:52,360
And also to note that this is part of the most common way to go with other agencies.

1173
01:58:52,360 --> 01:58:53,440
So

1174
01:58:57,830 --> 01:59:13,190
this is just an example of the breakdown using the Kaiser example, so that table on the first top half is what the cost would be for the enrollee in the bottom half is what the cost would be for the city.

1175
01:59:13,190 --> 01:59:17,910
So an option one in the enrollee for a family would pay about

1176
01:59:17,910 --> 01:59:22,990
2,800 a month, while the city only picks up about 106, 160.

1177
01:59:24,390 --> 01:59:29,150
Option two, the enrollee picks up up to their stipend,

1178
01:59:29,610 --> 01:59:32,870
and then picks up the enrollee, and then the city would pick up their enrollee.

1179
01:59:33,470 --> 01:59:37,310
And in an option three, they're really wouldn't pay anything, but

1180
01:59:37,310 --> 01:59:41,230
the city would pay up essentially all of it if they take Kaiser.

1181
01:59:42,330 --> 01:59:49,310
And if they, in the thoroughly chose a different plan that was more than Kaiser than they would pay, they would pick up the difference.

1182
01:59:50,670 --> 01:59:57,710
And you can see on the right hand side the annual city cost between the options ranging from 10k a year.

1183
01:59:58,630 --> 01:59:59,970
And in option 3 is up to this.

1184
02:00:01,260 --> 02:00:09,120
It is important to note that these are estimates, because not all council members, what am I and

1185
02:00:09,120 --> 02:00:15,140
we're all maybe some, maybe not, so this is really our estimates, but I will say that the higher

1186
02:00:15,140 --> 02:00:19,120
end the cap would be around 180 for option 3.

1187
02:00:19,480 --> 02:00:27,420
Quick question. The annual city cost, looking at option 3, is that for all five council members?

1188
02:00:27,420 --> 02:00:32,100
All five campus members, families, so it's really the, okay, yeah.

1189
02:00:39,410 --> 02:00:41,510
One other thing to think about is dental and vision.

1190
02:00:42,330 --> 02:00:46,950
The city also has the opportunity to include

1191
02:00:46,950 --> 02:00:49,530
Provide dental and visual vision insurance.

1192
02:00:50,430 --> 02:00:54,990
Currently employ the city pays 100% of dental and vision.

1193
02:00:56,410 --> 02:01:02,070
For this one, less restrictive, all council members would be eligible.

1194
02:01:02,070 --> 02:01:08,470
And the recommendation there, if Council Board ago, this did include this, would just to use our existing provider.

1195
02:01:09,530 --> 02:01:15,230
And as of yesterday, we were able to confirm that the rates for employees would be the same rates for elected officials.

1196
02:01:18,260 --> 02:01:22,040
These have a general rates depending on their enrollment level.

1197
02:01:23,100 --> 02:01:27,400
So, family, which is here if listed as employee and two or more dependents,

1198
02:01:28,080 --> 02:01:32,420
didn't tell us about two, twenty-and-a-month, while all budget is about thirty-and-a-dollar a month.

1199
02:01:32,980 --> 02:01:40,520
And as I mentioned, city would pick up all the costs and if this was extended to council, this is about 15K a year.

1200
02:01:44,340 --> 02:01:50,320
So the policy questions that I have for council tonight is should the city extend medical benefits to elected officials?

1201
02:01:51,260 --> 02:01:52,940
And if so, how much should it contribute?

1202
02:01:54,280 --> 02:02:01,060
And also, policy question two should the city extend dental and vision benefits to elected officials?

1203
02:02:02,950 --> 02:02:08,850
And the recommendation is to receive information of a redirection regarding whether and under what framework

1204
02:02:08,850 --> 02:02:12,550
health benefits eligibility should be extended to elected officials.

1205
02:02:13,050 --> 02:02:15,250
With that, I'll, I'm happy to take any questions.

1206
02:02:20,020 --> 02:02:21,040
Excuse for staff.

1207
02:02:24,510 --> 02:02:25,190
Council Member Johnson?

1208
02:02:28,770 --> 02:02:29,610
Anybody else?

1209
02:02:30,730 --> 02:02:34,950
I have no speaker slips. Is there anyone in the audience in the comment on this item?

1210
02:02:36,530 --> 02:02:41,790
Is there anybody online who would like to comment on the item of consideration of extending health benefit

1211
02:02:41,790 --> 02:02:43,990
eligibility to elected officials.

1212
02:02:46,210 --> 02:02:47,650
Seeing none, I'll bring it back to Council.

1213
02:02:49,490 --> 02:02:55,970
Personally, I'm an already a perish member through the state, so I wouldn't be taking advantage of it myself.

1214
02:03:00,950 --> 02:03:06,710
I'm a Cal Perse, too. But I also noticed just speaking for myself and nobody else on the Council.

1215
02:03:07,430 --> 02:03:12,790
But the Medicare costs are different. A lot less.

1216
02:03:12,790 --> 02:03:37,870
So, you know, I know you show some scenarios there, but, you know, I have the CalPERS numbers here and that can be, you're just a subscriber less than $500 with the Kaiser, so that changes costs dramatically depending on what, each of us that are unique, you know.

1217
02:03:37,870 --> 02:03:45,470
But as a personally, I'd like to also include the dental division if we're going to include

1218
02:03:45,470 --> 02:03:46,310
that.

1219
02:03:46,630 --> 02:03:54,210
But I just, I kind of want to keep it as a, you know, our stipend, what is it?

1220
02:03:54,210 --> 02:03:58,330
Nine, something plus a hundred, so it's a thousand, is that that thousand, fifty, five, I

1221
02:03:58,330 --> 02:04:07,350
So if we, so whatever we would, if we were, what we choose, we could choose up to 1,000

1222
02:04:07,350 --> 02:04:13,470
and may cost more is what you're saying and the city would cover the difference if, say, a family plan

1223
02:04:13,470 --> 02:04:14,150
for somebody.

1224
02:04:15,650 --> 02:04:22,890
Yes, so that's the option to where Ben really would contribute up to 1055, which is the stipend,

1225
02:04:23,150 --> 02:04:24,590
and then the city would pick up the remainder.

1226
02:04:26,390 --> 02:04:37,090
And then how it, because vision and dental separate from the CalPERS health, so I said,

1227
02:04:37,230 --> 02:04:42,450
separate, I saw you had met life, is that VSP for vision or just met life to vision

1228
02:04:42,450 --> 02:04:49,990
and didn't, I thought met life maybe was only dental because typically you see VSP doing

1229
02:04:49,990 --> 02:04:58,130
all the vision on it, but, you know, okay. I'm, I would be interested just because I'm fully

1230
02:04:58,130 --> 02:04:59,310
covered myself.

1231
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:21,760
We could also include vision and dental in this. I would be interested if the council is one day and go that way. I'm more like the mayor. I'm covered currently medical, but tonight through another city.

1232
02:05:22,780 --> 02:05:37,560
So the dental and vision, someone could, that could be used regardless if you're getting medical, separately, that's correct.

1233
02:05:37,700 --> 02:05:38,820
They can eat some of that.

1234
02:05:38,900 --> 02:05:39,340
I want to read that.

1235
02:05:39,340 --> 02:05:41,500
What are the coverage you have? You can also, okay.

1236
02:05:43,720 --> 02:05:51,740
So are we making this decision as if it was applying to us or other people who might not have any health and

1237
02:05:51,740 --> 02:06:01,880
are on council or very little because I'm not trying to see this through my own eyes, do you

1238
02:06:01,880 --> 02:06:09,100
know what I mean? It's just having coverage. I'm thinking about future council members,

1239
02:06:09,440 --> 02:06:15,340
et cetera, who also do the different circumstances in their life. They have had coverage that

1240
02:06:16,400 --> 02:06:39,920
And you know how good sense of cober can get, you know, someone's had it, and then, so that's from trying to ask all of us how we, you know, thinking about this right in terms of, and then what would we, and I'd like, I think a lot of other cities to provide these, I think you said option three was typical of many of the other cities.

1241
02:06:44,530 --> 02:06:46,570
So yeah, that's why I'm just kind of wondering,

1242
02:06:50,160 --> 02:06:51,900
using that lens.

1243
02:06:55,820 --> 02:06:57,840
Councilmember Johnson, you were interested in this item?

1244
02:06:58,200 --> 02:07:05,760
Yeah, I was, I told, I was having discussion with Ray Mueller in the beginning when he asked,

1245
02:07:05,920 --> 02:07:07,880
you're running for council when I said yes.

1246
02:07:07,960 --> 02:07:13,160
And I gave him, he kind of wanted to do this background and asked me, what do you do when all this stuff?

1247
02:07:13,160 --> 02:07:20,820
And I gave him my game plan of what I'm doing, and I've also talking about, you know, at some point I need to retire and sell the shop.

1248
02:07:20,980 --> 02:07:28,580
It's not easy for me because we've been doing it for 60 years, and it's not easy business to run, because I can't find anybody to help me support me.

1249
02:07:29,580 --> 02:07:34,040
So, with that said, medical is always a big issue for me.

1250
02:07:34,500 --> 02:07:41,480
And he said, council members are supposed to be able to buy medical. That's why I brought this forward, and I didn't know that.

1251
02:07:41,480 --> 02:07:43,100
So I mean, we didn't know it.

1252
02:07:43,120 --> 02:07:44,300
I don't think anybody knew it here.

1253
02:07:44,500 --> 02:07:46,840
But then as we're digging deeper, we're finding out,

1254
02:07:46,860 --> 02:07:48,040
yes, they do.

1255
02:07:48,320 --> 02:07:50,440
And even our sister's sitting in Pacific is doing it.

1256
02:07:50,440 --> 02:07:51,600
And even Belmont is doing it.

1257
02:07:52,420 --> 02:07:53,660
So I didn't know all this.

1258
02:07:53,660 --> 02:07:55,280
So I've learning with you guys.

1259
02:07:55,720 --> 02:07:58,640
I feel a little funny because I won't have medical

1260
02:07:58,640 --> 02:08:00,500
at the probably by January.

1261
02:08:01,400 --> 02:08:02,940
I run it because I'm taking notes here,

1262
02:08:03,020 --> 02:08:04,260
January, 2027.

1263
02:08:04,760 --> 02:08:06,240
So that's going to be an issue for me.

1264
02:08:06,920 --> 02:08:08,600
But that's not about me.

1265
02:08:08,600 --> 02:08:11,100
I'm looking at the fact that this is a load

1266
02:08:11,100 --> 02:08:17,120
on our city but the fact remains is there's other cities that do this and I thought that was

1267
02:08:17,120 --> 02:08:22,780
interesting that we are doing something that other cities are doing to provide medical for

1268
02:08:22,780 --> 02:08:30,060
not one but all council members if needed. Now if we look at this in a lens that we're saying

1269
02:08:30,720 --> 02:08:36,980
does everybody need it probably not but there might be somebody that will so we have a plan and

1270
02:08:36,980 --> 02:08:42,640
for somebody that would need to take care of their family that's on council that's putting

1271
02:08:42,640 --> 02:08:48,940
in their time and spending weekends and evenings and stuff and also it's brought up in

1272
02:08:48,940 --> 02:08:54,760
this report. This is something that you've also brought up like

1273
02:08:57,770 --> 02:09:00,010
there's certain reasons

1274
02:09:00,010 --> 02:09:06,850
of why we should do it and it's in your opening statement. I can't forget all of it is offering

1275
02:09:06,850 --> 02:09:13,390
health benefits may widen the pool of people who realistically serve particularly self-employed

1276
02:09:13,390 --> 02:09:19,350
people or those without other coverages. That will be me in January. So it's not something

1277
02:09:19,350 --> 02:09:25,910
I can control but it'd be good thing if I could have that option. And basically this is what we're

1278
02:09:25,910 --> 02:09:29,350
doing and we're taking care of our people, they're actually working for our city and we're taking

1279
02:09:29,350 --> 02:09:35,430
people taking care of people in our city. So I'm looking at taking care of all people and that's

1280
02:09:39,430 --> 02:09:56,430
It's a hard work being an elected official, you know, I actually would have no problem supporting a policy of options three plus vision and dental for, you know, is a menu option for people who need it.

1281
02:09:58,890 --> 02:09:59,950
I think it makes sense.

1282
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:04,740
Since I know a lot of cities do it, so I would support that.

1283
02:10:10,190 --> 02:10:11,310
Yeah, I agree with Option 3.

1284
02:10:13,450 --> 02:10:19,630
And of course, remembering, well, no matter what, having the ability to get

1285
02:10:19,630 --> 02:10:26,630
dental and vision, I've learned as if I have, as I've had different plants, not all dental

1286
02:10:26,630 --> 02:10:35,950
plants are created equal and had all. So having a, and met life, I think, was actually one of the major

1287
02:10:35,950 --> 02:10:40,970
providers, a lot of dentists don't even want to use anymore, because they weren't getting

1288
02:10:40,970 --> 02:10:41,650
necessary.

1289
02:10:41,650 --> 02:10:46,440
I get the right reimbursements, but that's why sometimes you have to shop around.

1290
02:10:46,580 --> 02:10:51,040
But anyway, I like the idea of offering option three.

1291
02:11:00,860 --> 02:11:08,940
I want what we think is fair, and I like the idea, if they can make the pool a potential

1292
02:11:08,940 --> 02:11:16,800
elected's bigger, you know, it's so hard, you know, to become, to commit to being elected,

1293
02:11:17,640 --> 02:11:23,920
and I hate for something that the city could provide with hold somebody back from trying

1294
02:11:23,920 --> 02:11:24,720
to do that.

1295
02:11:24,940 --> 02:11:32,560
So if that's something that, you know, would provide somebody else, again, I'm already covered

1296
02:11:32,560 --> 02:11:39,260
I, through CalPERS, and I wouldn't necessarily be using this particular plan, but I think

1297
02:11:39,260 --> 02:11:46,960
if we could have it available, and it's fair for all of us, and whoever all of us are

1298
02:11:46,960 --> 02:11:54,300
even in the future, and that it keeps with what the cities policies are.

1299
02:11:56,860 --> 02:12:03,400
So, I'm going to support for options 3 plus vision and dental to have a policy and place

1300
02:12:03,400 --> 02:12:05,840
for those who would like to take advantage of it.

1301
02:12:07,300 --> 02:12:10,180
So, tonight was just seeking some feedback in direction.

1302
02:12:10,280 --> 02:12:17,280
I think it's pretty clear and we'll be preparing a consent item for the September 15th agenda

1303
02:12:17,280 --> 02:12:18,160
to move this forward.

1304
02:12:19,000 --> 02:12:23,920
And I think it's an exciting development for our community and I think it will create more

1305
02:12:23,920 --> 02:12:30,720
opportunities for other people to run for office in the future that, you know, I don't

1306
02:12:30,720 --> 02:12:38,360
think it's ever less work than you expected to be, you don't agree. Especially in a community

1307
02:12:38,360 --> 02:12:44,280
like this, this is a highly engaged community, we're small town, but my experience working

1308
02:12:44,280 --> 02:12:49,140
with each of you and working with councils over the last nine years, putting a lot of hours

1309
02:12:49,140 --> 02:12:53,560
And I think this is an opportunity to recognize that, so this is exciting.

1310
02:12:55,100 --> 02:12:59,140
Thank you for doing the staff work on this and appreciate it.

1311
02:13:00,160 --> 02:13:00,580
Okay.

1312
02:13:02,180 --> 02:13:08,240
So we're moving on to item 11B, which is the sanitary sewer system summary and approval of professional services.

1313
02:13:21,120 --> 02:13:22,120
Good evening, Madam Mayor.

1314
02:13:22,140 --> 02:13:23,080
Members of the council.

1315
02:13:23,520 --> 02:13:26,840
I am Dale Lita, your interim public work structure and city engineer.

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Tonight, I'm presenting the site on which is to give a summary of some of the past work

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we've done on our sewer system with a little conditions overview as well as present a professional

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service agreement for you to consider for engineering support services associated with our

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sewer system.

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First, you know, why is this coming to Council now?

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We've had a lot of change over and staff over the years, and over that time as you might be aware.

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We've spent a lot of money on different types of sewer investigation work.

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We've spent a lot of energy and understanding our sewer system.

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Some of these documents have been organized and consolidated, but some are floating out in the ether.

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It's a great opportunity for us to get more organized and put these things together.

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In the last couple of years, we've made better use of our city's GIS systems, so that's a great tool for us to organize a lot of this data and it's just a good opportunity to kind of put these things together.

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Also, we're as one of the other items that I'm on consent was we're getting started on our sewer rate study, which we're expecting to present to Council in April of next year, roughly.

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Why this is important is because as part of this work that we're doing consolidating our

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understanding of our sewer system and developing a list of projects for repairs or other

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investigation that we might need over the next five years.

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We can quantify those costs and incorporate those into the rate study. So it will set us up for the next five years in additional improvements that we want to do to our system.

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So I'm going to dive into some of these different areas we've looked in the past and just give a brief overview.

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I have to answer questions. So the first is our CCTV that we've completed. So our closed circuit television.

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And this is literally pushing a camera down sewer mains

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to explore and see what the condition of those pipes are.

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I'm happy to report over the last 12 years.

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We've cameraed something like 80% of all of our sewer mains,

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which was a surprise to me.

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I did not know we had completed that much.

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You can see some of the color coating you see here,

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the orange pipes are pipes that were cameraed back in the early 2010s,

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between 2011 and 2013, those are getting close to their shelf life where we're going to want

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to start going in and hammering those pipes again to see if the condition has changed if we

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have not done repair work. So you can see quite a bit of work done, probably well there's still

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quite a bit of work to do over the next five years. In areas that you see in black we have not

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those pipes ever as far as our records indicate so. But it's encouraging to see the extent that we

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do have records for. Along with that carrying there's a national standard that we use to assess

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the condition of our sewer pipes and we give it a structural defect rating 1 through 5 and so when

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anything about like a level one defect, that's like a minor blemish inside a pipe.

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The ones we really care about are 4s and 5s, these are like noticeable large cracks in

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the pipes or broken pipe that's been deflected and you can actually see dirt or soil running

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through that pipe, so this assessment is based on those CCTV camera footage from previously,

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So the area is in black, your first kind of inclination is that we don't have any issues with sewer, but if we haven't camera them in the past

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We wouldn't know that there are issues with those

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I do want to point you towards or lead a park area which you can see

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Actually it looks pretty good and overall there's not a whole lot of

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Red or orange there. I just want to kind of point that out and you'll see why a little bit later in my presentation

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In addition to the CCTV and pipe assessments, we've also invested a lot of time modeling

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our source system.

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This includes past metering and basically building a hydraulic model to run simulations

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of different storm events and see how different storms respond and where we have capacity

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issues in our system.

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So the standard we use in our 2025 Master Plan is a 10-year storm and what that does to our

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system where we have issues. And there's really three kind of pinch points that we see getting

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close to the Sam plant here. There's a primary main that runs from Belleville Avenue to the

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north through easements and through farm land where that gets too bevcoenia road. That line is

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undersized and causes backups for other upstream. There's also a main on Grand Avenue, which is

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so undersized, and I would point that one out that one is important because it also would

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tie into the pedestrian track on the east side of the highway. So addressing that issue

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is also kind of significant with as related to potential development of that site. The

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third area, over by the Keeho Casa Del Marne, neighborhood, is a little bit, there's an

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interesting restriction there. We're not really sure what's causing it. There's, we've, well,

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The model indicated the model that this was run on was based on some information about how some of the pipes are connected in that area.

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And we've done some, we've found some additional information as well data that will actually impact that.

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So we need to spend a little bit more time investigating that and see if there really is a capacity issue there or not.

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And so that would be part of this work that we're planning to do later this year.

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Next, I want to talk about our I&I study, which we completed over the 2526 winter.

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First, next, what is I&I?

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So I&I were referring to inflow and infiltration.

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inflow, you can think of as illicit or illegal storm drain connections into our source

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system.

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So this would be like tying in a downspout or like a

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Cross-based refoundation pump system into the sewer system, which we do not allow. The other is infiltration that would be cracks in either manholes or sewer pipes, which allow storm water to get into the sewer system through rising groundwater.

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So, as groundwater levels rise, we get more storm water into the sewer system. So, why is that important? Because I pointed out the capacity issues earlier, that's really only an issue.

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during storm events, where we see dramatic increases in flow, and we're also treating all

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that storm water that gets into our sewer system. By a Sam's estimates roughly, I think

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17% or 18% of all the water treated at the Sam plant is storm water getting in through either

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infiltration or inflow. So it's a significant price tag associated with that water.

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When we, for the study we did last year, we hired our age board and to help us with this, and they

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We use kind of a newer novel approach to how they do their infiltration monitoring so

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that the conventional way would be to set a meter in the stream flow at the bottom of

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a manhole, which can be very expensive because you need confined space training.

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You need someone needs to climb down there and install it and they require more maintenance

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and more equipment.

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So what Argeboard does is they, we hired them and they would go in and they'd scan the

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handhole with light R and so we actually get this really high resolution model to see if there's

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any other defects and we actually found one-alicit connection through kind of this scanning

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process.

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You can see other issues with your manholes as part of it and then you can take that model

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and install a meter near the surface and get an approximation for the flow and the through

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this system based on the water level through some fancy engineering math.

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So, this is a different way of assessing flows, you can't compare, it's not an apples to apples comparison to inflow metering, but it's very helpful and it's roughly a quarter of the cost of inflow metering, so it's another tool in the tool belt.

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And when those meters are installed, you can see these very distinct changes in flow patterns

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that you can pick out the inflow from the infiltration.

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So inflow, which is kind of a direct storm drain connection, that really occurs like immediately

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around a rain event.

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And so we're measuring flows in the manhole at the same time, they're capturing rainfall

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data, and so when you see a dramatic spike in flow right around a storm event, that's generally

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considered in flow. You'll see over time as we get successive storms, you'll see the base

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flow that goes up and down in the manhole will gradually increase, and that is an indication of ground

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water or infiltration getting into the system.

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We used, we monitored seven sub basins last

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winter, and we picked these locations strategically to try and isolate different kind of main

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trunk lines or main areas going into our sort of system and into the sand plants.

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And the results came back. Our lead-up park, the area around our lead-up park in South

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of Kelly Avenue, was really our most significant contribution of I&I flow, roughly half of

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I had my flow that we saw came from our lead a park.

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So, a very significant amount, and you know, that neighbor

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had a lot of backyard sewer mains, which are not in the street.

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They're hard for the city to access, they're not visible.

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Going back to the data that I was pointing to earlier about just the condition

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of the early lead a park system, it's actually, you know, it shows a very high

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of infiltration of groundwater gaining into the system, but as far as we can tell, not a lot

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of pipe defects that would lead you to that suspicion. This actually aligns really well

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with data that we've heard anecdotally that there are a lot of crawl space drains and a lot

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of pumps tied into those sewer mains. And that would be aligned as infiltration because those

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picking up groundwater and pumping it into the system. So you would see behavior much

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more like, like, from infiltration, from pipe defects, also just being on the west side of

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the highway closer to the ocean, just having higher groundwater could be in the result of that.

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Yes. So are they to park, I guess, the groundwater is pretty high because we're kind of

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perched on that. Right. Miramani's terrace, which is a granitic rock underneath. So there's

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not a lot of soil, so that's why, you know, I guess, in my situation, I live in our

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a park, and these heavy atmospheric rivers on.

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On the top of the high groundwater level, I got a problem. So I don't know how we, yeah, what to do.

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It's also an issue where you don't have storm drainage in the street, right? And a lot of our neighborhoods lack storm drains or storm drains that are deep enough for someone to tie in from say across based rain on their site.

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And so, you know, that encourages people to make lists of connections in the sewer system, which is naturally going to be deeper.

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So, we have a lot of interesting data to mold through with the infiltration study we did last winter as well as kind of all this past historical work.

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We would really like to bring VW housing and associates into help us sort through this and establish a list of priority projects, repairs and additional investigation if we're going to do additional infiltration or I and I study additional camera work, et cetera.

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So, VW Housing has been supporting the city and the development and management of our

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sewer program for a little of our decade now.

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I'm actually a lot of this data that I'm presenting came through, consolidated effort from

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their office.

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They've been a great team to work with and considering our schedule and that's timing to

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get this work underway and completed, so that it's ready to integrate into our rate study.

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We think they're really the only suitable candidate to support this work.

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I just get other follow up questions.

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So, are we going to look at like the stormwater issue and the sewer issue like together?

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Like, are there some solutions that require us to actually address stormwater as opposed

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to pipes and all that sort of thing?

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I'm guessing we can't do stormwater with the sewer fees.

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But I'm just wondering if there's fixes that might deal with both sides of the problem.

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So there's, I mean, there are, I mean, where we have issues with inflow, where people are tied in kind of illegally to a sewer system.

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If we don't, if we don't have storm drain adequately for them to tie into, then that's a real issue.

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as far as, you know, other areas where you can get inflow are related to where we have flooding

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in streets and you have manholes. I think Belleville is an instance where this happens,

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where which we learn to our study. There's a lot. There's not a good drainage system or good slope

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in the street. There's a couple of manholes out there that get ponding. We get three to four inches of

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water after heavy storms, roughly four acres, drains too.

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And we see these interesting incidents where we get a spike in flow from that meter, well

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after a storm event, what we learned is somebody who's going out and popping mammal

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with it to drain the street because there's no other way to get water out and they're protecting

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their property and it's, hey, get that water out.

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We know what happens elsewhere in the city, but yes, looking at issues like that and what kind

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arm-draining improvements we could do to help facilitate keeping sewer and storm water

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separate. That's a big part of it.

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And that concludes my presentation. I'm

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having to answer any other questions.

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Another one. So we had talked about issues around the high school. Is that part of the

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would that be part of the issue around the pedestrian property as well? I forget what

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the problem was at the high school, but there was some INI going on there and we didn't know.

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Yeah, so there was previously a concern with that.

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We actually did some work, which appeared to help improve that condition.

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So we didn't really see strong evidence of that with the I and I study we did this last

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winter.

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Anybody else with questions?

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That's one question.

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This concept was kind of cool what you explained and how these guys are doing.

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But you were talked about previously doing the smoke testing, is that kind of the same thing

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that you're doing also.

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Are you looking for leaks, and you look for volume and flow?

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Yeah, so smoke testing is one of the ways we can,

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it's one of the tools we can use to go about

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investigating inflow, illicit connections.

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And what you do is you find an area where you think

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you have a lot of inflow, legal connections,

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and you isolate a section of your sewer system,

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and you pump smoke or fog into the sewer main.

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And what happens is that that runs up through the main

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and it runs into sewer laterals on private property,

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and it comes out through openings.

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Your sewer system should not have any openings anywhere

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in the system.

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You should have traps on all of your pipes.

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It should be entirely closed,

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but what you'll find is...

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As you'll see smoke coming out of people's roof gown spouts or out of a cash basin, and that's

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indication that those structures are tied into the sewer main, and then you know exactly

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hate. There's a property that has an illicit connection or inflow issue.

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Interesting.

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And then the other question I have is, is that on these maps, and I like these maps. I mean,

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I take pictures of them. They're really good on your piping, and the one that shows that

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We all the pipes, okay, the whole system.

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Do you actually have, is everyone of those pipes indicated,

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like that's a nine inch, that's a 10 inch,

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do you have all that mapped out, too?

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That's correct, okay, that's good.

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So,

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thinking about this, also made me think about,

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that the storms of 22, 23 there,

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that winter, and the issue of wet weather flows

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is opposed to dry weather flows.

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So, you know, given that we have all these housing mandates, and we will be getting projects

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coming forward for permitting, my question is like, under the existing system, how much

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more growth can we serve given the wet weather flow issue?

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Are we getting up against it, given these heavy rainstorms, like the hundred year storm and

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things like that.

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How are we going to deal with that?

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How are we going to measure how close we are to to real serious problems?

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Are we going to be looking at what weather storage?

1520
02:31:40,020 --> 02:31:44,200
I know the other agencies at SAM think we should have more weather storage.

1521
02:31:44,940 --> 02:31:48,860
So I'm just wondering if we are thinking about those things too at the same time.

1522
02:31:49,160 --> 02:31:51,240
I guess that would come under hydraulic capacity.

1523
02:31:53,320 --> 02:31:57,720
But I think it would be good to know, like, when do we start coming up against real

1524
02:31:57,720 --> 02:31:59,860
problems with permitting development?

1525
02:32:00,980 --> 02:32:04,160
Yeah, so that is an interesting question

1526
02:32:04,160 --> 02:32:07,440
and one that's who are districts wrestle with constantly,

1527
02:32:07,780 --> 02:32:10,700
because you're looking at two forms of investment.

1528
02:32:10,960 --> 02:32:13,080
You can invest heavily in funds.

1529
02:32:13,980 --> 02:32:17,940
So the standpoint I believe has an average daily dry weather

1530
02:32:17,940 --> 02:32:20,500
capacity of around 3 million gallons per day.

1531
02:32:20,980 --> 02:32:23,680
And I think the peak is around 15 million gallons per day

1532
02:32:23,680 --> 02:32:33,260
during that 2023 storm season, we were right at the top there, yes, and so it is a concerned

1533
02:32:33,260 --> 02:32:38,180
long term, how do you reduce, you know, and if we just had to write whether flow would

1534
02:32:38,180 --> 02:32:46,460
be totally fine, but how do you get that storm water out of your sewer system? You could

1535
02:32:46,460 --> 02:32:53,140
invest in, say, wet weather storage, right? And that is, I would call it a lower hanging

1536
02:32:53,140 --> 02:32:58,680
fruit obviously it's expensive to invest time and energy in the build storage that doesn't

1537
02:32:58,680 --> 02:33:02,740
get your stormwater out of your sewer system, right? You're just holding on to what longer

1538
02:33:02,740 --> 02:33:07,980
and giving the plant or your pump stations enough time to catch up to that flow. So you're still

1539
02:33:07,980 --> 02:33:13,960
paying for that water, you're still treating that water. The other approach would be to tackle your

1540
02:33:13,960 --> 02:33:19,080
i and i in your system and that is, you know, it is a it is a it is a more of a long term

1541
02:33:19,080 --> 02:33:25,220
Project, it is a longer investment, but there's a lot of benefit there that you see and

1542
02:33:25,220 --> 02:33:29,640
savings long-term over that treatment, and there's examples of cities that have

1543
02:33:29,640 --> 02:33:36,960
tackled by and I vary aggressively, and you can see real dollar savings in their operating

1544
02:33:36,960 --> 02:33:40,260
and treatment flows as a result of that.

1545
02:33:41,320 --> 02:33:46,140
You start with the areas where you think you have the highest risk and the highest concern,

1546
02:33:46,140 --> 02:33:53,000
And, you know, you tackle those first, and in some cases it does require you going door to door.

1547
02:33:54,240 --> 02:34:02,380
As far as the info, that is a challenging problem because in many instances it requires you to go on a private property to see what homeowners are doing.

1548
02:34:02,780 --> 02:34:06,040
And to try and get them to cooperate with the rules, right?

1549
02:34:06,160 --> 02:34:15,840
And whether that means building more infrastructure or, you know, threatening fines or trying to incentivize them to do improvements,

1550
02:34:15,840 --> 02:34:21,840
You need to find a way to motivate people to, you know, fix their system and do what's right.

1551
02:34:22,960 --> 02:34:31,840
I think San Mateo was one city that has an incentive program where they will, they have a limited number of residents

1552
02:34:31,840 --> 02:34:36,120
and they will do like a cost sharing for lateral replacement every year.

1553
02:34:36,620 --> 02:34:41,220
And that, that volume, that program is like fully subscribed every year.

1554
02:34:41,220 --> 02:34:45,860
there's like a weight list for it because the city will actually, I think they split the cost

1555
02:34:45,860 --> 02:34:51,080
up to like $5,000 for a placement of a sewer lateral from your house to the main.

1556
02:34:51,900 --> 02:34:57,640
And basically replacing that lateral, you're effectively trying to isolate any other potential

1557
02:34:57,640 --> 02:34:58,500
points of contact.

1558
02:34:59,000 --> 02:34:59,960
So things like that.

1559
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:07,440
There's a lot of different ways you can approach it and invest money. It's something, frankly, we should

1560
02:35:07,440 --> 02:35:10,880
be discussing more thinking about how we're going to do this.

1561
02:35:11,560 --> 02:35:18,760
And then also, I'm guessing this might come up as we look at our implementation zoning to

1562
02:35:19,340 --> 02:35:27,660
development standards, having more rigorous requirements for onsite treatment of storm

1563
02:35:27,660 --> 02:35:30,160
or capture and treatment of stormwater, too.

1564
02:35:31,180 --> 02:35:38,980
I will say that we do require CCTV of sewer ladders as a very standard requirement

1565
02:35:38,980 --> 02:35:44,600
for almost any private development permit that is going to modify plumbing fixtures,

1566
02:35:45,320 --> 02:35:49,740
or even if it's a bathroom remodel, we'll say, well, you've got to give us a camera footage

1567
02:35:49,740 --> 02:35:52,620
of your sewer ladders so we can see that it's in good working condition.

1568
02:35:52,620 --> 02:36:02,640
And, you know, it does increase the cost for development for these small projects, but it, you know, gradually that helps improve this condition for the whole city.

1569
02:36:03,960 --> 02:36:04,840
Okay. Thank you.

1570
02:36:05,080 --> 02:36:05,440
Thank you.

1571
02:36:05,500 --> 02:36:12,120
If you notice on one of your photos, it's like, you've got this sewer lateral and you have a tree that's right above it.

1572
02:36:12,240 --> 02:36:20,120
You know, just in landscaping design effects, you know, making sure that you're not putting planting things that are going to obstruct your sewer line down the line.

1573
02:36:20,120 --> 02:36:26,520
Plus, the other one is you're for your vent, you know, half of them in Castle D'Amour, I mean, I

1574
02:36:26,520 --> 02:36:30,100
used to know where my cap was, but I know where everybody else's cap was because I had

1575
02:36:30,100 --> 02:36:33,700
the measure of these properties. I can't even find mine now, because they landscape it

1576
02:36:33,700 --> 02:36:37,600
right over it. And that's another thing, you want to make sure that you have access to that

1577
02:36:37,600 --> 02:36:45,040
cap. And then going on with the mayor, and about earlier, I'm worried about infrastructure

1578
02:36:45,040 --> 02:36:50,560
we're not catching up and we have, like, let's say the Metzker project with 50 units,

1579
02:36:50,840 --> 02:36:51,180
low income.

1580
02:36:51,360 --> 02:36:54,660
I'm into it, I'm digging that thing, I'm loving it.

1581
02:36:54,780 --> 02:36:59,340
We have some issues that I think with drainage and we have some pipe size issues, I've already

1582
02:36:59,340 --> 02:37:03,720
heard it, I heard some birds singing and I'm worried about, we'll keep moving forward, but

1583
02:37:03,720 --> 02:37:05,600
we don't have the infrastructure for it.

1584
02:37:05,880 --> 02:37:11,180
Not against, you know, affordable housing here, I want to be clear, I'm just saying we have

1585
02:37:11,180 --> 02:37:13,640
to be ready for this and I think that's where you're going with this.

1586
02:37:13,640 --> 02:37:15,960
We have to make sure that we are ready for this.

1587
02:37:15,980 --> 02:37:18,760
And that's what prompted Measure D, and all these things

1588
02:37:18,760 --> 02:37:21,480
was infrastructure wasn't ready for growth.

1589
02:37:22,040 --> 02:37:24,820
If we keep going this route with affordable housing,

1590
02:37:25,280 --> 02:37:27,120
our infrastructure is not catching up.

1591
02:37:27,340 --> 02:37:28,820
And that's why we put Measure D in.

1592
02:37:29,040 --> 02:37:31,860
So I want to make sure that we don't go crazy on all this stuff

1593
02:37:31,860 --> 02:37:33,340
and we are ready for it.

1594
02:37:35,740 --> 02:37:38,500
The other questions first, Councilor Mneng, yes?

1595
02:37:39,080 --> 02:37:39,920
Thank you.

1596
02:37:40,240 --> 02:37:44,560
And I, you're exactly right, what I'm hearing at the dias here.

1597
02:37:44,560 --> 02:37:50,340
I think would also maybe that could, you know, when we talked about a storm-drain, priorities,

1598
02:37:50,700 --> 02:37:59,720
we tended to stick to major drainage channels, I heard KEOC more in Poland, you know, we also have

1599
02:37:59,720 --> 02:38:05,620
to keep in the back of our heads, we go out and find all these illicit connections, what

1600
02:38:05,620 --> 02:38:06,720
we're going to do?

1601
02:38:07,060 --> 02:38:11,760
They're going to tell you, well, my back yard is lower than the street, and unless I'm pumping

1602
02:38:11,760 --> 02:38:18,100
it, you know, I'm going, you know, I'm going to find gravity first, then I'll pump it if there's

1603
02:38:18,100 --> 02:38:23,600
a pipe in the back. But I'm just thinking in the back of my head, maybe we figure out a way

1604
02:38:23,600 --> 02:38:32,400
to help prioritize some drainage improvements outside of the major channels we're talking about,

1605
02:38:32,940 --> 02:38:40,000
but to try and get the illegal connections, instead of doing massive wet weather storage sites,

1606
02:38:40,000 --> 02:38:48,100
You know, maybe we can provide smaller basins in some of these still undeveloped areas in town,

1607
02:38:48,140 --> 02:38:54,040
some of our PUDs that we've identified some areas, you know, not just west or east of one,

1608
02:38:54,180 --> 02:39:00,010
or some west of one too, perhaps we could utilize areas, you know, just trying to think

1609
02:39:00,520 --> 02:39:09,980
because if you try to start going after a lot of connections that are made, you know,

1610
02:39:09,980 --> 02:39:15,040
lead a park as unique where the sewer isn't in the street, it runs to the back yards.

1611
02:39:16,460 --> 02:39:18,880
Just thinking, what could we offer for that?

1612
02:39:19,880 --> 02:39:24,720
That could be something we think about as we prioritize a storm drain master plan.

1613
02:39:24,980 --> 02:39:32,580
Well, I think we're going to find out during this super El Nino, it's going to be a test.

1614
02:39:33,320 --> 02:39:38,900
We have to be prepared to get out there and gather some information and get a lot of photos.

1615
02:39:38,900 --> 02:39:46,380
and just get an understanding of how our systems respond, both at the street and neighborhood

1616
02:39:46,380 --> 02:39:52,180
level and on our major thoroughfares and things like that. We ought to see this treat this

1617
02:39:52,180 --> 02:39:59,680
as sort of like a study session and get ready for more of it because more of it's coming.

1618
02:40:00,110 --> 02:40:12,650
I think that's an excellent idea because we need to learn from this one that we're going to have, because I'm on the DEM and they're talking about city, be ready, all you cities and they're pointing at saying sandbags and all that stuff.

1619
02:40:13,050 --> 02:40:26,150
They're really, and the graph they're showing was pretty scary. So it's going to be 26 or 27 and it's going to be in that timeframe, meaning this year or next. So we need to be ready for it and you guys need to be ready for it and learn from this too.

1620
02:40:26,150 --> 02:40:27,450
I think it's a great idea what you're saying,

1621
02:40:27,450 --> 02:40:28,450
see where the water's going,

1622
02:40:28,610 --> 02:40:31,190
where is it pooling and document.

1623
02:40:32,030 --> 02:40:33,230
And that can go across the board

1624
02:40:33,230 --> 02:40:35,370
with educating our public works, guys,

1625
02:40:35,450 --> 02:40:36,810
when they're going out to go cut the lawn,

1626
02:40:36,970 --> 02:40:39,590
it can go that they're actually been briefed.

1627
02:40:39,690 --> 02:40:41,370
Let's look at where the water's going,

1628
02:40:41,750 --> 02:40:44,330
take a picture and send it into you, yeah.

1629
02:40:44,370 --> 02:40:45,590
You follow me?

1630
02:40:46,010 --> 02:40:47,490
Super El Nino Scrapbook.

1631
02:40:49,110 --> 02:40:50,970
Yeah, that's so that you know what's going on.

1632
02:40:52,330 --> 02:40:54,530
We'll be giving an update on our storm preparedness.

1633
02:40:54,530 --> 02:40:56,970
I think at our next council meeting,

1634
02:40:57,650 --> 02:41:00,590
at least an initial update, that being said,

1635
02:41:01,010 --> 02:41:03,590
I always have loved the opportunity to go out

1636
02:41:03,590 --> 02:41:06,890
and drive around and see how things respond

1637
02:41:06,890 --> 02:41:08,990
during storm events, I mean, as an engineer,

1638
02:41:09,110 --> 02:41:11,310
we're kind of peek out in that.

1639
02:41:13,250 --> 02:41:15,670
And so I don't know, and I'll go afterward.

1640
02:41:15,830 --> 02:41:20,650
I'll see, I remember the ditch along highway one,

1641
02:41:20,650 --> 02:41:24,930
and just South of Cali Avenue, and that we put in,

1642
02:41:24,950 --> 02:41:27,150
and it was designed for like a 25-year event,

1643
02:41:27,290 --> 02:41:29,210
and I remember going out and looking at it,

1644
02:41:29,210 --> 02:41:31,610
it was about full, and I went afterwards,

1645
02:41:32,610 --> 02:41:34,090
and said, what was that storm event?

1646
02:41:34,350 --> 02:41:36,150
And it was like a 25-year event, it was like,

1647
02:41:36,150 --> 02:41:38,690
oh wow, perfect, you know, it was just, you know,

1648
02:41:38,990 --> 02:41:42,110
so the math checks out, but it's very informative

1649
02:41:42,110 --> 02:41:45,190
to go out and see kind of how things flood,

1650
02:41:45,490 --> 02:41:48,050
and it's a great, it's always a great opportunity.

1651
02:41:48,050 --> 02:41:50,570
Can I just do one quick follow up here?

1652
02:41:50,810 --> 02:41:55,170
Yeah, so I actually sent a sign-on letter to staff

1653
02:41:55,170 --> 02:41:56,670
for earlier today.

1654
02:41:57,510 --> 02:42:00,930
There's a sign-on letter to the governor

1655
02:42:02,750 --> 02:42:05,430
and the Department of Emergency Management

1656
02:42:06,010 --> 02:42:11,710
to allow emergency clean out of vegetation

1657
02:42:12,410 --> 02:42:15,930
and channels and a whole bunch of things.

1658
02:42:15,930 --> 02:42:26,390
And they're asking for a lot of cities in special district to sign on to allow for the next like 90 days to do some radical, you know, preparation.

1659
02:42:27,030 --> 02:42:29,950
So I'd like to stay up to take a look at that and it might make sense for us.

1660
02:42:30,250 --> 02:42:32,070
And I said it's a kitchen too.

1661
02:42:32,570 --> 02:42:34,550
It's a potential sign on for them as well.

1662
02:42:39,100 --> 02:42:46,940
I think there's a lot of education pieces here that can more prepare us proactively.

1663
02:42:48,600 --> 02:42:55,100
generally, in many cultures, including American cultures, were more reactive than proactive.

1664
02:42:58,160 --> 02:43:04,680
And so, we've done a lot of, well, we started to do a lot of education about how to

1665
02:43:04,680 --> 02:43:11,280
arm your house for fire prevention, right, and growth, and that's pretty scary when a fire

1666
02:43:11,280 --> 02:43:13,160
comes through and it's very

1667
02:43:16,200 --> 02:43:21,300
visceral, then a lot of people are thinking about flood stuff,

1668
02:43:23,140 --> 02:43:23,280
So

1669
02:43:26,350 --> 02:43:32,770
there can be a lot of education around in your own neighborhoods, right, and served

1670
02:43:32,770 --> 02:43:39,430
because sometimes I'm so about what this, I've during some of the real bad storms two years

1671
02:43:39,430 --> 02:43:45,170
ago, three years ago, I noticed the Lord, it was coming up over sidewalks and flooding

1672
02:43:46,190 --> 02:43:52,730
people's lawns and I looked at the storm drains, you know, the ones with the bars, which

1673
02:43:52,730 --> 02:43:55,450
the bars are there to keep debris out.

1674
02:43:56,110 --> 02:44:02,010
But what was interesting that was happening was some of the plant debris was actually

1675
02:44:02,010 --> 02:44:08,590
creating almost like a ski lift on the first bar and the water was completely avoiding the

1676
02:44:08,590 --> 02:44:09,090
storm drain.

1677
02:44:09,090 --> 02:44:16,230
It was literally going over it, so luckily I had some wellies, you know, in the garage

1678
02:44:16,230 --> 02:44:23,230
and I made wellies, way above my knees, and I'm walking around, the neighborhood, it's

1679
02:44:23,230 --> 02:44:25,270
just kind of great in this stuff out.

1680
02:44:25,510 --> 02:44:30,350
But it was that easy, immediately the storm drain is working just fine, but a lot of people

1681
02:44:30,350 --> 02:44:36,770
don't even realize that, you know, right on the corners, you know, or maybe checking out,

1682
02:44:36,770 --> 02:44:42,770
know your traps, you know, in your house, assuming you could find them, because it's covered

1683
02:44:42,770 --> 02:44:43,570
by crap.

1684
02:44:46,570 --> 02:44:50,730
And, you know, people sometimes wonder, yeah, why are there two buttons on, why do I need

1685
02:44:50,730 --> 02:44:53,990
to boil it with two buttons small and large?

1686
02:44:54,250 --> 02:44:57,550
Yeah, well, that decreases water flow into the system.

1687
02:45:00,110 --> 02:45:08,850
And then the whole point about replacing pipes, five inch pipes, I mean, you know, it's ridiculous, what little capacity we might have.

1688
02:45:09,130 --> 02:45:21,330
And if we're going to start doing any kinds of buildings we need to proactively prepare for that, but also educate folks, you know, what can you do in your own home or neighborhood?

1689
02:45:21,330 --> 02:45:26,570
What about neighbors getting together and paying for some road-to-roader service that's

1690
02:45:26,570 --> 02:45:28,910
coming through and cleaning everyone's traps?

1691
02:45:31,090 --> 02:45:36,690
Because we don't always have, first of all, we don't have all the public works folks to

1692
02:45:36,690 --> 02:45:42,430
be walking around in huge storms, looking at all the storm drains, but neighbors can do that.

1693
02:45:42,490 --> 02:45:43,710
They couldn't look in their own neighborhoods.

1694
02:45:47,210 --> 02:45:55,730
And I notice that, I don't know, it's almost a little bit comic, but no one ever shows

1695
02:45:55,730 --> 02:45:57,590
up for these sewer presentations.

1696
02:45:58,070 --> 02:46:02,330
There's always two or three people left in the audience, and they're not here necessarily

1697
02:46:02,330 --> 02:46:07,650
for the sewer presentation, but it's one of the most critical things.

1698
02:46:07,650 --> 02:46:11,570
if we have sewer breakage and raw sewerage, remember,

1699
02:46:11,670 --> 02:46:14,910
El Grenada a few years ago, 300,000 gallons

1700
02:46:14,910 --> 02:46:17,030
or raw sewerage coming down the stroke.

1701
02:46:18,990 --> 02:46:24,330
So I think the more we can help people

1702
02:46:24,330 --> 02:46:28,270
pro-be proactive use our communication channels.

1703
02:46:28,650 --> 02:46:30,450
You know, we have a good communications person.

1704
02:46:31,570 --> 02:46:32,650
And you know, get some of those.

1705
02:46:32,730 --> 02:46:34,290
Because you see a lot of stuff on the fires.

1706
02:46:34,290 --> 02:46:35,370
You know how to arm or stuff.

1707
02:46:35,370 --> 02:46:40,810
But I think we can do more, because we're not going to fix all these problems immediately.

1708
02:46:41,070 --> 02:46:49,370
So how do we let lessen the tension incrementally on all these systems based on what's going on

1709
02:46:49,370 --> 02:46:52,750
and individual homes and some businesses as well.

1710
02:46:53,770 --> 02:46:54,830
So, and that can make a big difference.

1711
02:46:54,910 --> 02:47:01,430
You just have a 5% decrease in a huge storm because we will get wild up.

1712
02:47:02,290 --> 02:47:11,550
That could make all the difference in the world of a huge catastrophe or a manageable one.

1713
02:47:12,170 --> 02:47:18,590
And I would also give us an example of how we've worked with PG&E to stage.

1714
02:47:19,130 --> 02:47:24,990
Remember we had all the PG&E trucks. It turned out the storms weren't as crazy as predicted.

1715
02:47:26,390 --> 02:47:30,790
But it means we've rehearsed a plan to get that staging in place.

1716
02:47:30,790 --> 02:47:44,390
So, when this crap hits in the next year or two, PG and E knows, yeah, there's all these wires to be checked in branch, crazy amount of branches, every time you have a storm, the branches get weaker, they don't get stronger.

1717
02:47:45,610 --> 02:47:54,010
So, you have an increasing potential hazard. So, I like the fact that, you know, we got a more proactive programs like that.

1718
02:47:54,010 --> 02:47:56,850
I don't want real quick.

1719
02:47:57,030 --> 02:48:00,010
Our social media guy that does all that sort of with Facebook and Instagram.

1720
02:48:00,270 --> 02:48:00,870
She's excellent.

1721
02:48:01,970 --> 02:48:05,350
Let's encourage and let's try to get encouragement that we are.

1722
02:48:05,350 --> 02:48:08,550
Check your homes be ready for a new year coming and all that stuff.

1723
02:48:08,770 --> 02:48:09,250
Let's start seeing.

1724
02:48:09,370 --> 02:48:13,830
I know it's great to see volleyball and pick a ball and all that stuff and line dancing.

1725
02:48:14,390 --> 02:48:16,750
But we need to start prepping for the storms that are coming.

1726
02:48:18,270 --> 02:48:22,410
Yeah, one thing I've noticed in my neighborhood are they to park as that.

1727
02:48:22,410 --> 02:48:32,350
So further east, you know, people are flush with or maybe a little higher than the road but then you go west, like toward railroad avenue.

1728
02:48:33,670 --> 02:48:37,130
And there's homes there that are actually below the road level.

1729
02:48:37,590 --> 02:48:41,370
So people are using, you know, suns to push the water out into the street.

1730
02:48:41,830 --> 02:48:46,710
And then the people down in the west and to like gooseards and the flooding out.

1731
02:48:46,710 --> 02:48:50,150
I mean, they have some pumps, like see them operating and things,

1732
02:48:51,210 --> 02:49:03,250
But, you know, with really intense storms, it's harder, so like people in the East End are sending the stuff down into the yard, so the people live in the West End, and how do we address that, you know, it's not fair to them.

1733
02:49:09,400 --> 02:49:12,820
Okay, so I don't have any slips here.

1734
02:49:15,100 --> 02:49:21,700
Is there anybody in the room or online who wants to comment before we move to motions?

1735
02:49:24,070 --> 02:49:25,430
Seeing none.

1736
02:49:26,330 --> 02:49:29,130
I'd entertain a motion, the staff recommendation?

1737
02:49:32,520 --> 02:49:37,740
I move that having received a summary of the condition of the city's sanitary sewer collection system,

1738
02:49:37,920 --> 02:49:41,980
including the results of the recent infiltration in flow assessment.

1739
02:49:44,080 --> 02:49:49,580
And we therefore adopt a resolution authorizing the city manager to execute a professional service agreement,

1740
02:49:49,580 --> 02:49:58,060
with the W. House and Associates for a wastewater collection system, engineering support services in and

1741
02:49:58,060 --> 02:49:59,880
amount not to exceed 99.

1742
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:10,020
19,217 dollars. Second, could I have a roll call please? Councilmember Brownstone? Yes.

1743
02:50:10,520 --> 02:50:20,640
Councilmember Johnson? Yes. Councilmember Nagan Gast? Yes. Mayor Retic? Yes. Motion carries. Thank you moving on to the community banner program item 11C.

1744
02:50:24,450 --> 02:50:28,750
If anybody would like to discuss this item, I see one person who might want to.

1745
02:50:29,190 --> 02:50:30,310
We've got a speakerslip.

1746
02:50:30,710 --> 02:50:32,090
All right, come on.

1747
02:50:37,380 --> 02:50:38,540
Thank you for your patience.

1748
02:50:41,360 --> 02:50:42,120
Amber Stowe.

1749
02:50:44,040 --> 02:50:47,920
That's good to be here for the sewer discussion, too.

1750
02:50:48,560 --> 02:50:54,780
Because a couple of years ago, I think on January 5, 2023,

1751
02:50:55,380 --> 02:51:00,060
my husband and I had to go across the highway from our house to Main Street

1752
02:51:00,060 --> 02:51:05,900
in sub-gale-force wins with rakes in our car to go

1753
02:51:05,900 --> 02:51:11,820
break out the storm drain at Main and Mill to make sure

1754
02:51:11,820 --> 02:51:16,580
that Main Street didn't flood and endanger our business.

1755
02:51:18,920 --> 02:51:22,100
As far as the community banners program, sorry,

1756
02:51:22,220 --> 02:51:26,440
my name is Amber So, thank you so much for allowing me to speak tonight.

1757
02:51:26,440 --> 02:51:33,240
My family owns the paper crane we've been in business for over 40 years on Main Street.

1758
02:51:34,460 --> 02:51:40,560
And we fully endorse what was in the agenda for the Community Banners Program.

1759
02:51:42,020 --> 02:51:48,500
We have been involved as stakeholders at every level of the decision-making.

1760
02:51:48,500 --> 02:51:56,680
We've gone to architectural advisory and planning commission meetings about the Community Banners Program.

1761
02:51:57,520 --> 02:52:00,320
We would love to see this program be implemented.

1762
02:52:01,940 --> 02:52:06,640
The vitality ordinance was a major part of revitalizing downtown

1763
02:52:06,640 --> 02:52:10,020
as was the bridge repairs that were done this year.

1764
02:52:10,320 --> 02:52:18,400
I think that this would be another important component in making downtown a beautiful place for people to visit.

1765
02:52:19,780 --> 02:52:26,880
So, I'm eager to also see with you the presentation and thank you so much for hearing my comments.

1766
02:52:27,780 --> 02:52:28,220
Thank you.

1767
02:52:28,580 --> 02:52:29,300
Thanks for waiting.

1768
02:52:32,760 --> 02:52:36,720
Good evening, Madam Mayor, Council, and community.

1769
02:52:37,380 --> 02:52:40,520
Julie Cossack, Interim, Economic and Community Vitality Manager.

1770
02:52:40,840 --> 02:52:43,760
And I'm joined here tonight by Dale Leeda.

1771
02:52:44,340 --> 02:52:46,000
You just heard from him.

1772
02:52:46,000 --> 02:52:48,300
And we're going to talk to you about the Community Banner Program.

1773
02:52:49,220 --> 02:52:57,600
Like Amber mentioned, this has been an exciting project to work on, and I'm happy to

1774
02:52:57,600 --> 02:53:04,380
share that we've made a lot of progress over the last few months, thanks to the support

1775
02:53:04,380 --> 02:53:09,160
from the Downtown Association, Chamber of Commerce, and in addition technical assistance from

1776
02:53:09,160 --> 02:53:13,460
the Community Accelerator Program projects,

1777
02:53:13,500 --> 02:53:16,000
sorry, from the leadership council, San Mateo County.

1778
02:53:17,320 --> 02:53:22,580
As you know, the banners and the basket along the light poles

1779
02:53:22,580 --> 02:53:26,440
on Main Street are a community asset,

1780
02:53:26,900 --> 02:53:31,660
and they've been thankfully maintained and uplifted

1781
02:53:31,660 --> 02:53:35,520
by the beautification committee over the last 40, 50 years.

1782
02:53:35,520 --> 02:53:44,320
We wanted to step forward and create an opportunity for community organizations to showcase

1783
02:53:45,180 --> 02:53:51,900
advertiser-promote community events that are of public benefit and we wanted to make sure

1784
02:53:51,900 --> 02:53:58,080
that the policy we brought forward was inclusive and equitable accessible for anyone.

1785
02:53:58,080 --> 02:54:02,820
One, we have met with several folks, different stakeholders,

1786
02:54:03,040 --> 02:54:07,780
that extensive research and landed on a program

1787
02:54:07,780 --> 02:54:13,480
that will allow community organizations to participate

1788
02:54:13,480 --> 02:54:14,640
in this program.

1789
02:54:14,940 --> 02:54:17,460
And whenever we're not promoting any community events,

1790
02:54:18,060 --> 02:54:22,260
we will be presenting as a standard banner

1791
02:54:22,630 --> 02:54:24,660
that showcases or downtown.

1792
02:54:24,660 --> 02:54:31,460
And we presented to you earlier in February, I believe this year, you gave us a reaction

1793
02:54:31,460 --> 02:54:32,940
to move forward with this.

1794
02:54:33,200 --> 02:54:35,020
We continue to partner with different stakeholders,

1795
02:54:37,560 --> 02:54:39,520
and we presented to the Architectural

1796
02:54:39,520 --> 02:54:45,200
Advisory Committee, presented also to the Planning Commission, and here we are now in front

1797
02:54:45,200 --> 02:54:45,920
of you.

1798
02:54:46,520 --> 02:54:53,180
I also want to highlight that on top of the banners being a community asset, this was identified

1799
02:54:53,180 --> 02:54:57,740
as low hanging fruit from the downtown streetscape master plan.

1800
02:54:58,860 --> 02:54:59,960
And we wanted to...

1801
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:07,060
Include this as part of our conversation tonight. We'll briefly go in over the program overview

1802
02:55:07,060 --> 02:55:14,280
and eligibility. Again, with the extensive research that we did over the last few months, we're

1803
02:55:14,280 --> 02:55:19,680
proposing that the program is managed by city staff with a standard application process that is

1804
02:55:19,680 --> 02:55:25,200
AC and its attached to the program guidelines that were included in the staff report. The city will

1805
02:55:25,200 --> 02:55:29,200
control the installation and removal process and partnership with the

1806
02:55:29,200 --> 02:55:33,100
beautification committee and I'll go into what more detail about that a

1807
02:55:33,100 --> 02:55:36,660
little bit later. The maximum display for community

1808
02:55:36,660 --> 02:55:42,700
banners are four weeks. We had originally discussed two weeks, but

1809
02:55:42,700 --> 02:55:47,020
given that some of the community events last a little bit longer and

1810
02:55:47,020 --> 02:55:55,180
don't necessarily conflict with other events, we can

1811
02:55:55,180 --> 02:55:57,580
any other request for the community banners.

1812
02:55:59,560 --> 02:56:05,560
We are trying to make sure that not one single organization or entity takes over the community

1813
02:56:05,560 --> 02:56:10,160
banners so we want to allow them to participate one time calendar year.

1814
02:56:10,820 --> 02:56:16,460
And the priorities, as you see on the screen, first the city sponsored events, the non-profits

1815
02:56:16,460 --> 02:56:17,860
and then community events.

1816
02:56:20,370 --> 02:56:28,450
After we presented the architectural advisory committee, we part of the feedback was to include

1817
02:56:28,450 --> 02:56:29,730
a SIL guide.

1818
02:56:30,590 --> 02:56:35,010
This was in partnership with the Downtown Association and the Chamber of Commerce and what

1819
02:56:35,010 --> 02:56:41,210
you're seeing in front is some of the examples that were pulled from that SIL guide that

1820
02:56:41,210 --> 02:56:43,390
is also attached to the staff report.

1821
02:56:43,390 --> 02:56:51,810
We wanted to, again, make sure that the designs were cohesive and that they felt uniform.

1822
02:56:52,670 --> 02:57:04,270
And we wanted to provide just a little bit of guidance for community organizations applying to this program, so they can see the typefaces, the color pellets, and just a sample of the different designs.

1823
02:57:05,070 --> 02:57:09,650
So we can all see something that is uniform throughout town.

1824
02:57:09,650 --> 02:57:14,090
And now I'm going to turn it over to Dale for some of the technical.

1825
02:57:15,210 --> 02:57:15,750
Thank you, Julie.

1826
02:57:17,810 --> 02:57:23,250
So the locations we're talking about for the program, these primarily are the ornamental

1827
02:57:23,250 --> 02:57:25,310
streetlights you see on Main Street.

1828
02:57:26,050 --> 02:57:34,530
There are 42 locations including 15 locations north of the Main Street Bridge through north

1829
02:57:34,530 --> 02:57:38,410
Main Street up to Highway 1 in 27 south of the bridge.

1830
02:57:38,410 --> 02:57:43,150
The program also includes consideration for the two existing flag pools.

1831
02:57:43,370 --> 02:57:49,370
Front-of-half Mumbai coffee shop on the north side of the bridge and the circular emblem

1832
02:57:49,370 --> 02:57:54,270
rosette at the South Gateway, South Main and Highway 1.

1833
02:57:58,390 --> 02:58:02,950
So if you walk down Main Street today, you can see kind of a typical existing installation.

1834
02:58:04,330 --> 02:58:09,070
It's not all the street lights are dormed with banner hardware or flower pots.

1835
02:58:09,070 --> 02:58:13,910
I think of the existing 27th, south of the bridge.

1836
02:58:13,950 --> 02:58:17,070
I think roughly 20 or so, have existing hardware.

1837
02:58:18,230 --> 02:58:20,830
They don't always have banners on them.

1838
02:58:20,830 --> 02:58:30,770
Many of them are empty, and they're kind of oriented in different ways using a small variety of different hardware that's been replaced from time to time.

1839
02:58:33,350 --> 02:58:40,330
For the proposed kind of program and standardized things, we had to look at things like the

1840
02:58:40,330 --> 02:58:44,910
poll height to meet minimum accessibility requirements.

1841
02:58:45,130 --> 02:58:50,910
We needed minimum seven-foot clearance under the sidewalk for walking as well as looking

1842
02:58:50,910 --> 02:58:54,250
at things like severe fire hazard zone separation from buildings,

1843
02:58:56,330 --> 02:58:57,670
from flammable objects,

1844
02:58:57,670 --> 02:59:00,530
which, you know, those codes are still in development,

1845
02:59:00,650 --> 02:59:04,570
but it's something we're very conscientious of as we're putting this together.

1846
02:59:06,530 --> 02:59:09,250
So with those constraints and looking at proportions,

1847
02:59:10,430 --> 02:59:14,410
we're planning for a rough 24-inch 30-inch banner height,

1848
02:59:14,750 --> 02:59:18,690
and that's roughly the depth that we would look at

1849
02:59:18,690 --> 02:59:21,930
to maintain those minimum clearances with some buffer

1850
02:59:21,930 --> 02:59:24,290
given the height of our existing street light poles.

1851
02:59:28,110 --> 02:59:30,490
So, our existing polls out there today are aluminum.

1852
02:59:32,290 --> 02:59:38,130
We spent the last six months exploring different options for what we want to use for new hardware.

1853
02:59:39,630 --> 02:59:42,390
We spent a lot of time discussing with a local fabricator,

1854
02:59:43,590 --> 02:59:48,050
who very strongly recommended staying in the steel for its performance in the marine environment.

1855
02:59:48,670 --> 02:59:53,190
And we heard a similar recommendation from the fabricator

1856
02:59:53,190 --> 02:59:57,510
we've been currently working with, based in St. Carlos, who also has a lot of experience

1857
02:59:57,510 --> 02:59:59,050
on the coast and doing work.

1858
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:03,520
In places like Hawaii, Pacific Islands, Southern Marine environments.

1859
03:00:05,260 --> 03:00:11,320
Other options we consider, we also, I think when we presented to AAC, we also presented

1860
03:00:11,320 --> 03:00:18,240
Galvin, I steel as a potential option as well as aluminum, with Galvin, I steel, it's cheaper

1861
03:00:18,240 --> 03:00:22,280
but you're going to get a lesser performance on that given our environment.

1862
03:00:23,540 --> 03:00:29,400
We're an aluminum is a performance comparable to steel, it's not as hard as steel but

1863
03:00:29,400 --> 03:00:35,920
But cost has actually gone up significantly since we started work given the international steel

1864
03:00:35,920 --> 03:00:36,300
producers.

1865
03:00:37,480 --> 03:00:43,900
There's the conflict in the middle east and also tariffs with Canada have caused aluminum

1866
03:00:43,900 --> 03:00:49,120
cost to go up to almost that they're very much comparable with stainless steel today.

1867
03:00:50,620 --> 03:00:58,520
So we're looking at hardware from the lens of public works in our philosophy is to choose

1868
03:00:58,520 --> 03:01:03,040
highest quality materials we can that are going to save us long term in maintenance cost because

1869
03:01:03,040 --> 03:01:06,520
we know we struggle with maintenance here and we we really wanted something that was

1870
03:01:06,520 --> 03:01:13,200
going to perform long term well very well and so as part of this we're you know we're looking

1871
03:01:13,200 --> 03:01:17,020
at the hardware we're also considering how that's going to interact kind of with the existing

1872
03:01:17,020 --> 03:01:25,740
aluminum poles and just you know thinking through this in a way that that we come out of this

1873
03:01:25,740 --> 03:01:29,540
project we have something that looks great and is going to continue to look great.

1874
03:01:32,380 --> 03:01:38,060
So that does come with some costs associated with it. We're estimating around $100,000

1875
03:01:38,060 --> 03:01:44,640
today for program implementations. So that would be fabrication of 42 custom sets of hardware

1876
03:01:44,640 --> 03:01:54,120
as well as the associated facilities that we use across those 42 polls. I should note that

1877
03:01:54,120 --> 03:01:58,880
Here's a significant cost in here associated with just cleaning up and prepping the existing

1878
03:01:58,880 --> 03:01:59,420
light poles.

1879
03:01:59,640 --> 03:02:04,140
If you go out and walk today, you see a lot of them have peeling paint, they're dirty,

1880
03:02:04,420 --> 03:02:09,920
some of the lights have issues, they're stickers on them, and so if we were going to move

1881
03:02:09,920 --> 03:02:13,960
forward with this, we would want to take that opportunity to invest some additional energy

1882
03:02:14,560 --> 03:02:19,900
to get those poles cleaned up and basically prond and I'm looking good again.

1883
03:02:20,640 --> 03:02:27,080
Funding for this project, we're proposing use funds from our downtown streetscape implementation

1884
03:02:27,080 --> 03:02:33,740
CIP project. If you remember, this project started last year with the Gateway Arch,

1885
03:02:33,940 --> 03:02:39,540
which was discontinued and we held funds in reserve. We added additional funds to that

1886
03:02:39,540 --> 03:02:48,260
CIP this fiscal year and expanded it to include banners as well as wave finding and other

1887
03:02:48,260 --> 03:02:51,900
elements from the downtown streetscape master plan.

1888
03:02:53,000 --> 03:02:56,900
And so currently we have around $120,000 within that CIP.

1889
03:02:56,900 --> 03:02:59,900
This would be taking a huge chunk of those funds.

1890
03:03:00,620 --> 03:03:08,020
We're also looking at an upcoming grant from the San Mateo County

1891
03:03:08,020 --> 03:03:10,440
Transportation Authority, which just came out.

1892
03:03:10,520 --> 03:03:12,840
It was just released this week.

1893
03:03:12,840 --> 03:03:17,820
And aligns very well with our transportation demand management plan.

1894
03:03:17,920 --> 03:03:21,060
All right, getting there together, which we adopted last year,

1895
03:03:21,600 --> 03:03:24,940
and that plan includes a number of elements which

1896
03:03:25,660 --> 03:03:31,040
in Council has prioritized including downtown way of finding

1897
03:03:31,040 --> 03:03:38,140
and gateway elements as well as parking study to look at, you know,

1898
03:03:38,180 --> 03:03:40,900
our parking impacts downtown and assessment for our structure.

1899
03:03:40,900 --> 03:03:46,100
So, these things are all covered in our TDM, the grant program is a TDM program, so it aligns

1900
03:03:46,100 --> 03:03:52,220
very well with these priorities and would go really well with our downtown streetscape

1901
03:03:52,220 --> 03:03:53,020
CIP.

1902
03:03:56,130 --> 03:03:57,230
I'll turn it back over to Jelisa.

1903
03:03:58,030 --> 03:03:58,430
Thanks, Dale.

1904
03:03:59,210 --> 03:04:07,190
So, as far as application fees and annual costs to the city, we're proposing a $450 cost

1905
03:04:07,190 --> 03:04:09,750
application cost to community organizations.

1906
03:04:09,750 --> 03:04:14,650
This is in consideration, staffed together roughly $600 in cost.

1907
03:04:15,390 --> 03:04:19,710
That includes insulation and removal in partnership with the beautification committee and

1908
03:04:19,710 --> 03:04:23,810
a little bit of staff time for administrating the program.

1909
03:04:25,170 --> 03:04:34,710
Assuming a 26 rounds of banner installation cycle through the year, the direct cost to the city

1910
03:04:34,710 --> 03:04:43,610
will be $15,000, $15,600 with a net annual cost of about $4,000.

1911
03:04:43,750 --> 03:04:51,810
This is because the city would generate $11,000, $11,700 in application fees.

1912
03:04:52,250 --> 03:04:57,530
So the city's subsidy to the program would be roughly $3,900 per year, and assuming again

1913
03:04:57,530 --> 03:04:59,190
the 26th cycle.

1914
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:08,280
So meaning we have 26 banners installed every two weeks, right? And the subsidy and the costs we're

1915
03:05:08,280 --> 03:05:14,020
proposing allows organization to continue applying for the community banner program, while maintaining

1916
03:05:15,420 --> 03:05:23,400
also control an access of the of the program in this small subsidy to the city. I mentioned earlier

1917
03:05:23,400 --> 03:05:28,940
that there's an installation partnership with the Happy and Babydification Committee, given

1918
03:05:28,940 --> 03:05:34,340
the fact that the experts and they have been doing this for decades and they in our conversations

1919
03:05:34,340 --> 03:05:39,740
with them about this program, they want to step forward and continue to do that. It made sense

1920
03:05:39,740 --> 03:05:43,800
for us to enter into a partnership with the Hatham Babydification Committee for the installation

1921
03:05:43,800 --> 03:05:50,360
and removal of the banners whenever we have a new applicant. They are excited to do it and we're

1922
03:05:50,360 --> 03:05:56,440
happy to do that too if Council decides to move forward with this. Obviously this will be blessed by

1923
03:05:56,440 --> 03:06:00,620
our city attorney and you know giving any direction in this far as insurance and any concerns

1924
03:06:00,620 --> 03:06:04,220
that we would have, they would be addressed then.

1925
03:06:04,620 --> 03:06:08,560
And I also want to mention that just like with any new programs that we propose to Council

1926
03:06:08,560 --> 03:06:13,760
recently, we want to monitor the usage of this over the next 12 to 18 months and see how

1927
03:06:13,760 --> 03:06:19,200
many community organizations we have applying for this, if there's any need to amend or make

1928
03:06:19,200 --> 03:06:19,940
any changes.

1929
03:06:20,540 --> 03:06:24,500
And at some point you know over the next year or two we'll come back with an update to City

1930
03:06:24,500 --> 03:06:30,740
Council that you know how the program is going and if we anticipate any potential changes.

1931
03:06:31,520 --> 03:06:35,800
And so with that, I'm going to just briefly go over the recommendation.

1932
03:06:37,180 --> 03:06:41,560
One is to establish the Community Banner Program and approving the program guidelines.

1933
03:06:43,960 --> 03:06:48,200
Just going to leave it at that and amend the Masterpiece Schedule to establish the Community

1934
03:06:48,200 --> 03:06:53,980
Banner Program application fee and allow the City Manager to negotiate an agreement with

1935
03:06:53,980 --> 03:06:55,840
have a beautification committee for installation

1936
03:06:55,840 --> 03:06:56,800
and removal of the vanners.

1937
03:06:57,720 --> 03:06:59,540
And another authorization to see manager

1938
03:06:59,540 --> 03:07:01,440
to procure services, supplies, materials,

1939
03:07:01,680 --> 03:07:04,980
and all equipment necessary for the initial implementation

1940
03:07:04,980 --> 03:07:06,780
of the community vanner program out of cost

1941
03:07:06,780 --> 03:07:08,420
and not to exceed 100,000 dollars.

1942
03:07:09,040 --> 03:07:11,560
And we're happy to take any questions.

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03:07:13,140 --> 03:07:13,480
What's the council?

1944
03:07:14,960 --> 03:07:15,560
What question?

1945
03:07:15,900 --> 03:07:17,720
It looks like a lot of vanners to me,

1946
03:07:17,780 --> 03:07:20,640
especially on historic main street.

1947
03:07:21,020 --> 03:07:23,620
I'm wondering if it's better to do like maybe every other light

1948
03:07:23,620 --> 03:07:26,280
It's supposed to every light poll.

1949
03:07:26,540 --> 03:07:33,660
It seems like I think it's important to not sort of cloud the visual experience looking

1950
03:07:33,660 --> 03:07:36,140
both south and north on Main Street.

1951
03:07:36,620 --> 03:07:38,080
That seems like a lot of light polls.

1952
03:07:38,300 --> 03:07:38,860
I'm just wondering.

1953
03:07:39,340 --> 03:07:46,180
And we thought about maybe staggering them or staggering the banners for the standard city

1954
03:07:46,180 --> 03:07:48,220
banner or if we're just community banners.

1955
03:07:48,940 --> 03:07:48,940
Oh,

1956
03:07:52,650 --> 03:07:57,110
just like every other poll rather than just having, you know,

1957
03:07:57,110 --> 03:07:59,910
banners galore on both sides of the street.

1958
03:08:00,050 --> 03:08:05,410
I'm just wondering if maybe we don't need as many, maybe 43 is too many.

1959
03:08:05,990 --> 03:08:08,670
Maybe on North Main Street, it seems to make it a little more sense

1960
03:08:08,670 --> 03:08:13,730
and it does like south of the bridge or south of 92.

1961
03:08:15,310 --> 03:08:18,770
But it just struck me looking at the map of the locations.

1962
03:08:19,370 --> 03:08:20,610
Yeah, that seemed like a lot.

1963
03:08:21,690 --> 03:08:25,390
But yeah, part of the feedback we've heard is consistency

1964
03:08:25,390 --> 03:08:30,970
through out, and so it doesn't feel like one is missing, something,

1965
03:08:33,310 --> 03:08:34,170
that's part of the

1966
03:08:34,170 --> 03:08:37,370
feedback that we've heard from the different folks that we've been dating with.

1967
03:08:37,790 --> 03:08:40,090
Can I ask Amber what she thinks about that?

1968
03:08:47,680 --> 03:08:49,020
Thank you.

1969
03:08:52,330 --> 03:09:00,290
If you look at the way that the blocks are laid out, I know it's difficult to zoom in to that

1970
03:09:00,290 --> 03:09:06,230
actual view, but like let's say you take the 300 block, that's five light poles on that block.

1971
03:09:06,790 --> 03:09:10,890
There's also trees that are competing with visual space.

1972
03:09:11,550 --> 03:09:16,530
There's going to be baskets that are competing with visual space, and when we're talking

1973
03:09:16,530 --> 03:09:22,990
about someone who's driving through town, we want to make sure that they're not diverting

1974
03:09:22,990 --> 03:09:28,630
their eyes up to the banner for too long, and I sort of worried that that might have been

1975
03:09:28,630 --> 03:09:36,410
concern in terms of safety for pedestrians and motorists, if someone is reading a banner from

1976
03:09:36,410 --> 03:09:40,810
too far away off to the side of the road, whereas if they can flick their vision up every

1977
03:09:40,810 --> 03:09:44,850
so often, then that's not going to be quite as big of a problem.

1978
03:09:45,890 --> 03:09:52,990
Maybe if we reduce it to a certain number of street poles per block, like maybe three poles

1979
03:09:52,990 --> 03:09:59,210
or four poles per block, that might be enough to create.

1980
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:04,560
The visual space that we're looking for when these events are being promoted,

1981
03:10:06,660 --> 03:10:14,640
perhaps five might be excessive, like we see on the, I think that's the 500 block right there.

1982
03:10:15,460 --> 03:10:25,680
Yeah, and I'm not making any firm recommendation one layer of the other, but it just struck me as a lot, and I just thought I'd bring that up and have people talk about that.

1983
03:10:27,140 --> 03:10:55,100
One other minor consideration is we did not want to just limit the banners to the three main blocks of historic main street we felt that wouldn't create enough cohesion with the other portions of Main Street that are being developed and up and coming like the six and seven hundred blocks, which are experiencing a lot of really good tourist growth right now.

1984
03:10:55,100 --> 03:11:06,120
and creating that as a thorough fair and planning for the future when those blocks really kind of bloom and come into their own.

1985
03:11:06,900 --> 03:11:08,680
We thought was important.

1986
03:11:11,080 --> 03:11:13,000
Madam Mayor, can I chime in on this?

1987
03:11:13,480 --> 03:11:15,500
There's a couple of considerations here.

1988
03:11:15,660 --> 03:11:18,420
One of course is just the economies of scale.

1989
03:11:19,800 --> 03:11:22,660
Reducing, and I know your argument isn't about money.

1990
03:11:22,660 --> 03:11:28,900
it's about visual clutter and so that's a broader conversation, but I think it's important

1991
03:11:28,900 --> 03:11:35,060
to think about reducing the number of banners and banner, you know, the hardware will reduce

1992
03:11:35,060 --> 03:11:41,900
the cost but it's somewhat incremental because the mobilization, there's economies of scale

1993
03:11:41,900 --> 03:11:46,680
for buying the hardware. The other thing we have to think about is kind of our hopes for the future.

1994
03:11:46,680 --> 03:12:01,980
And that is with the Hyatt being built, I would like to see the, you know, right now these ornamental poles run from Northman at Hyatt we want to about the IDS hull just south of IDS hull and then they stop.

1995
03:12:02,760 --> 03:12:08,240
And eventually I think it would be great to see these continue all the way down to the south main intersection.

1996
03:12:08,240 --> 03:12:13,980
And then I keep talking about it and I think we're going to get there is we really need

1997
03:12:13,980 --> 03:12:20,360
to consider East Kelly basically between Main Street and Highway 1 as an extension of Main Street.

1998
03:12:20,360 --> 03:12:25,280
I think it's important for drawing and visitors and creating a more cohesive downtown.

1999
03:12:26,580 --> 03:12:32,480
So I think one of the things we could think about is what's in approval tonight and a little

2000
03:12:32,480 --> 03:12:37,220
bit of direction to kind of take a step back and look at how many of these do we really want

2001
03:12:37,220 --> 03:12:43,140
do right now with this initial placement, there could be the opportunity with one of those future

2002
03:12:43,140 --> 03:12:49,340
phases to add more if we feel like we need more or replicate what we think is working on the

2003
03:12:49,340 --> 03:12:55,060
rest of Main Street on those other areas. So a lot of words being used but I think there's an

2004
03:12:55,060 --> 03:13:00,500
opportunity for us to take that lens, work with some of our community partners and look at okay

2005
03:13:00,500 --> 03:13:07,140
where maybe we do not need a banner polar which block is already congested with these things.

2006
03:13:07,140 --> 03:13:11,160
So I think we could do that without modifying kind of a discussion today.

2007
03:13:11,460 --> 03:13:13,160
Everything could be up to.

2008
03:13:13,300 --> 03:13:13,440
Okay.

2009
03:13:13,720 --> 03:13:14,580
Thank you for that.

2010
03:13:16,440 --> 03:13:20,040
Yeah, I was thinking all the same things I've mentioned, you know, side streets, people

2011
03:13:20,700 --> 03:13:26,060
come in down from a highway one during the, but I like the incremental approach that

2012
03:13:26,060 --> 03:13:26,680
we're using.

2013
03:13:26,900 --> 03:13:32,280
We're going to put some stuff up, let's get some feedback, what are we hoping for, what

2014
03:13:32,280 --> 03:13:37,840
are the results, and then getting all the feedback from both the public, citizens, and business

2015
03:13:37,840 --> 03:13:42,160
owners and see what they think. And I think that will build a nice energy and that's the

2016
03:13:42,160 --> 03:13:48,240
way to do it. And then we'll collect more fees later and put some more money into it.

2017
03:13:48,540 --> 03:13:52,340
But I just really appreciate that we were, you know, for a while we were getting feedback from

2018
03:13:52,340 --> 03:13:57,480
downtown. Association of saying, you know, I was sitting on a put in some efforts, resources,

2019
03:13:57,480 --> 03:14:03,460
and I'm just glad that we're coming around to doing it, but in a very plantful way that

2020
03:14:03,460 --> 03:14:09,800
can measure the results of. So, great presentation. Love the slides with the images of the flower

2021
03:14:09,800 --> 03:14:15,040
of pots. I mean, you're in our teased. What can I say? But really nice power points there.

2022
03:14:15,300 --> 03:14:16,260
So, thank you.

2023
03:14:20,790 --> 03:14:20,790
So,

2024
03:14:23,210 --> 03:14:28,710
the two big poles there on the bridge, which I put in 20 something years ago,

2025
03:14:29,770 --> 03:14:34,530
I noticed that I read the report. You're still looking at perhaps some type of flagpole or something

2026
03:14:34,530 --> 03:14:45,210
to put in there because we decided it's not going to work stretching a banner across, but maybe a flag type, I think that's what you call them right when you had.

2027
03:14:45,590 --> 03:14:49,330
So we have discussed hardware at those two.

2028
03:14:49,570 --> 03:14:53,710
And you can see that image on the left, there were those polls arts.

2029
03:14:54,010 --> 03:14:56,830
It's kind of an interesting discussion with the local fabricators.

2030
03:14:57,370 --> 03:14:59,950
To some extent, they're a little...

2031
03:15:00,580 --> 03:15:28,260
There was some initial concern expressed about using those polls in a way that they were not originally intended to be used, which, which, you know, I think that is something that we can address, but there are some limitations on the hardware, how we would do this on those existing polls. It's a little bit different than mounting on our street lights. We really don't want to be drilling into them.

2032
03:15:29,520 --> 03:15:33,600
And it just requires a little bit more thought on how we would implement that.

2033
03:15:35,300 --> 03:15:38,120
You're still working and trying to think that way now a little bit.

2034
03:15:38,780 --> 03:15:40,460
We are still working now one out.

2035
03:15:41,060 --> 03:15:41,160
Yes.

2036
03:15:41,160 --> 03:15:44,340
And I still see the wire across the top there.

2037
03:15:44,820 --> 03:15:47,080
You could string some Christmas lights or something, right?

2038
03:15:49,220 --> 03:15:57,800
I also just note one of the things I like about using these poles is it almost starts to create that

2039
03:15:57,800 --> 03:16:04,200
gateway archway. Now, it's not the one that's going to draw people off of 92, but it does

2040
03:16:04,200 --> 03:16:11,760
really welcome you into the downtown and across our beautifully refurbished Main Street Bridge.

2041
03:16:12,380 --> 03:16:17,900
So, proud we can say that finally. So, I think that the utilization of these polls

2042
03:16:17,900 --> 03:16:22,300
is going to be part of that welcoming experience. I'm really excited about that as well.

2043
03:16:22,300 --> 03:16:23,960
A good acknowledgment.

2044
03:16:28,870 --> 03:16:29,850
I'm excited about this.

2045
03:16:29,910 --> 03:16:32,070
It was a year and a half ago I was sitting in Betsy's

2046
03:16:32,070 --> 03:16:34,950
Johnny's and talking to her and she's the one that brought it all up to me.

2047
03:16:35,190 --> 03:16:36,510
Amber, you remember this whole thing?

2048
03:16:36,990 --> 03:16:40,090
And she really wanted brass balls just so you know.

2049
03:16:40,330 --> 03:16:43,030
I don't know if she got the brass balls but she wants brass balls.

2050
03:16:43,290 --> 03:16:45,010
So I want to make sure we get the brass balls.

2051
03:16:46,530 --> 03:16:47,930
But it's taken a long time.

2052
03:16:48,490 --> 03:16:49,130
I'm the honest with you.

2053
03:16:49,270 --> 03:16:50,010
It's taken a long time.

2054
03:16:50,110 --> 03:16:51,610
I'm glad to see it's now here.

2055
03:16:51,690 --> 03:16:53,090
And I'm really impressed with the work.

2056
03:16:53,230 --> 03:16:54,690
I'm impressed with this report.

2057
03:16:55,530 --> 03:16:55,550
Amber.

2058
03:16:56,190 --> 03:17:00,990
Thank you for coming here, thank you so much and being involved in the you have been since day one

2059
03:17:02,470 --> 03:17:08,810
Dale you talked to me about and we and thank you we had a little side discussion on the brackets in the pain in the ass

2060
03:17:08,810 --> 03:17:10,350
That was excuse my French

2061
03:17:11,150 --> 03:17:16,630
But did you get that all dialed in and how you're gonna screw it into the pole because the picture makes it look like it's beautiful

2062
03:17:16,630 --> 03:17:23,510
No big deal, but I know there's more to do it than that and then the other thing I want to know is the aluminum versus stainless steel and

2063
03:17:23,510 --> 03:17:30,690
corrosion and you're also going to powder coat that will that adhere to the powder coating or the powder coating adhere to the aluminum or the stainless steel.

2064
03:17:32,710 --> 03:17:39,790
So the powder coating will adhere to both it will perform better on the stainless steel than it will and the aluminum due to the

2065
03:17:39,790 --> 03:17:53,490
pitying with scratches and exposure. So that was that was one of the reasons we wanted to

2066
03:17:53,490 --> 03:18:01,190
In addition to the local fabricators, we did look at two ready-made options for hardware,

2067
03:18:02,270 --> 03:18:07,570
two different sources online retailers, and we ordered samples of variety of samples,

2068
03:18:07,630 --> 03:18:13,470
which we looked at, and we cannot find anything meeting the specs that we were looking for

2069
03:18:13,470 --> 03:18:20,470
with a stainless steel, and what we did get, it wasn't correct, it wasn't what we were looking for,

2070
03:18:20,470 --> 03:18:26,630
the welding was sloppy on it. It just really didn't meet the standard that we were looking

2071
03:18:26,630 --> 03:18:32,950
for, that we're leaving it our concern about ongoing maintenance with these. So working

2072
03:18:32,950 --> 03:18:37,610
with the fabricators, obviously, is a huge benefit. There will look at different gauges,

2073
03:18:38,130 --> 03:18:45,310
different thicknesses, a material, different points of connection, and as fabricator, we're

2074
03:18:45,310 --> 03:18:49,910
leaning towards moving with right now and saying Carlos, they're planning to

2075
03:18:50,470 --> 03:18:53,810
to do prototype options for us to look at.

2076
03:18:53,930 --> 03:18:56,110
We could try those out and see what they look like

2077
03:18:56,110 --> 03:18:58,510
and feel like before we go all in.

2078
03:18:58,890 --> 03:19:00,830
And that's included in a scope of work

2079
03:19:00,830 --> 03:19:02,470
that they've provided us.

2080
03:19:02,970 --> 03:19:04,950
As far as the brass hardware,

2081
03:19:05,770 --> 03:19:08,730
that was another thing we asked about to get feedback.

2082
03:19:09,390 --> 03:19:12,670
So dissimilar metals have potential two cause

2083
03:19:12,670 --> 03:19:14,970
unexpected corrosion one way or the other.

2084
03:19:15,670 --> 03:19:20,370
So aluminum and steel, back in half

2085
03:19:20,370 --> 03:19:25,430
And it's more problematic when you have a large steel body and a smaller aluminum body.

2086
03:19:26,090 --> 03:19:32,550
The aluminum is more reactive and will corrode more readily, but it is still a concern here.

2087
03:19:33,170 --> 03:19:37,410
And so we would, as part of this, there's a plan we would use a preventative.

2088
03:19:37,430 --> 03:19:44,250
We would use a sleeve to help separate and reduce the contact between the steel and the aluminum.

2089
03:19:45,110 --> 03:19:53,130
I'm told that the brass would be compatible with stainless steel, it would be less compatible, more of a concern if we went with a low amount.

2090
03:19:54,630 --> 03:19:56,450
Who's going to polish the brass balls?

2091
03:19:59,090 --> 03:19:59,970
I think you'd have to.

2092
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:08,160
We expect any brass balls would have a green pattern on them very quickly here on the coast side and we probably have to accept that.

2093
03:20:08,400 --> 03:20:16,120
Yeah, that's another reality with brass is it will turnish and, you know, if you like that look if that's what we're going for, you know, great.

2094
03:20:16,900 --> 03:20:19,680
But it is, it's another thing to consider.

2095
03:20:21,420 --> 03:20:27,060
If the desire is for shiny brass, I think we're setting ourselves up for failure.

2096
03:20:27,060 --> 03:20:34,240
I think Amber, can we check with Betsy that she can go with Black and get her blessing on that?

2097
03:20:34,400 --> 03:20:36,440
I mean, because I think we should change that.

2098
03:20:36,680 --> 03:20:40,960
I knew this was going to evolve to that, but I just wanted to keep saying Betsy wants press balls.

2099
03:20:42,900 --> 03:20:48,200
The other question I have is, on the four weeks, I think it's a great idea that you keep that going for four weeks

2100
03:20:48,200 --> 03:20:53,320
because you have, let's say somebody came in the town and they love happened bay and they look up and they go,

2101
03:20:53,320 --> 03:20:54,600
Oh, there's a pumpkin festival.

2102
03:20:54,820 --> 03:20:56,180
Oh, we missed it, but then they see it.

2103
03:20:56,180 --> 03:20:57,820
Or there's an air show or whatever.

2104
03:20:58,020 --> 03:21:02,100
The dream machines or odd fellows had some movie night,

2105
03:21:02,220 --> 03:21:03,840
or whatever, or the rotary club.

2106
03:21:03,900 --> 03:21:05,660
So I'm hoping that we're going to branch this out

2107
03:21:05,660 --> 03:21:07,760
to all the venues that we have.

2108
03:21:07,900 --> 03:21:10,380
Boys and girls club, everybody, you know,

2109
03:21:10,480 --> 03:21:11,560
park and wreck, and all that.

2110
03:21:11,620 --> 03:21:14,080
Whatever we have, like pickleball, whatever tournament,

2111
03:21:14,920 --> 03:21:16,100
and if we do that.

2112
03:21:16,440 --> 03:21:18,080
But the four weeks just shows that boy,

2113
03:21:18,120 --> 03:21:20,160
we've got something going on all the time.

2114
03:21:20,220 --> 03:21:21,720
So if we extend that out,

2115
03:21:21,720 --> 03:21:28,580
Um, it was the, oh, like the, when I do the one on 92 and this is from Chrislin and Betsy

2116
03:21:28,580 --> 03:21:32,760
and everybody was like, what was it play, stay, shop, and eat, whatever it was that I did.

2117
03:21:32,920 --> 03:21:37,560
I can't remember exactly what, if we have that one, because you're talking about no event

2118
03:21:37,560 --> 03:21:38,500
banner, correct?

2119
03:21:39,120 --> 03:21:39,460
Right.

2120
03:21:39,560 --> 03:21:44,920
So let's have a no event banner, but it's also saying, hey, come play, stay, shop, and

2121
03:21:44,920 --> 03:21:45,300
dying.

2122
03:21:45,380 --> 03:21:46,740
That's what it was dying.

2123
03:21:48,160 --> 03:21:48,680
That's it.

2124
03:21:48,680 --> 03:21:53,260
These are the ones, these are the examples you're seeing on the screen right now are the ones

2125
03:21:53,260 --> 03:21:57,760
that came from the silo guide and this will be the stand or banner whenever we don't have an event.

2126
03:21:58,020 --> 03:22:04,400
So let's say Pum can festival is over and we don't have anything up until the winter which is nice up lights.

2127
03:22:05,080 --> 03:22:08,640
And so for the month of November we can have something like this throughout town.

2128
03:22:09,000 --> 03:22:13,320
In a bit of a variety of them, we wouldn't just have one on every single sign.

2129
03:22:13,320 --> 03:22:18,320
we'd get multiple of them made so you'd have some varieties you drive down the street of

2130
03:22:18,320 --> 03:22:23,660
color and design. Yeah. I'm excited about this and thank you so much. It looks great.

2131
03:22:28,010 --> 03:22:28,570
Make a motion?

2132
03:22:33,150 --> 03:22:33,670
It's all wrong.

2133
03:22:38,550 --> 03:22:46,370
Keep them busy. We adopted resolution establishing the first establishing the community

2134
03:22:46,370 --> 03:22:52,790
program and improving the community banner program authorizing the city manager or his

2135
03:22:52,790 --> 03:22:59,110
designate to make amendments to effectively implement and administer the program subject to

2136
03:22:59,630 --> 03:23:06,430
the special to the approved special sign program to amending the master fees schedule to establish

2137
03:23:06,430 --> 03:23:13,370
a community banner program application fee in amount of $450 per approved banner cycle.

2138
03:23:13,370 --> 03:23:19,930
3, authorizing the City Manager to negotiate an execute and agreement with the App

2139
03:23:19,930 --> 03:23:24,670
Moon Bay beautification committee for the installation and removal of community

2140
03:23:24,670 --> 03:23:29,810
banners in a form approved by the City Attorney and 4, authorizing the City Manager

2141
03:23:29,810 --> 03:23:36,390
to procure services supplies materials and equipment necessary for the initial implementation

2142
03:23:36,390 --> 03:23:42,550
of the community banner program including banner hardware, banners, banners, paint and

2143
03:23:42,550 --> 03:23:46,310
related materials and a cost not to see $100,000.

2144
03:23:48,580 --> 03:23:48,720
Second.

2145
03:23:55,480 --> 03:23:56,520
Council Member Bramston?

2146
03:23:56,980 --> 03:23:57,180
Yes.

2147
03:23:57,600 --> 03:23:58,340
Council Member Johnson?

2148
03:23:58,840 --> 03:23:59,240
Oh yeah.

2149
03:23:59,940 --> 03:24:00,880
Council Member Dagen Gas?

2150
03:24:00,960 --> 03:24:01,240
Yes.

2151
03:24:01,700 --> 03:24:02,320
Mayor Reddick?

2152
03:24:03,040 --> 03:24:03,720
Motion carries.

2153
03:24:03,960 --> 03:24:04,320
Exciting.

2154
03:24:04,880 --> 03:24:05,040
OK.

2155
03:24:05,340 --> 03:24:05,820
Thanks, everyone.

2156
03:24:08,290 --> 03:24:08,430
OK.

2157
03:24:08,470 --> 03:24:13,630
Now we're moving on to the Carter Park donor program update.

2158
03:24:30,330 --> 03:24:30,350
OK.

2159
03:24:30,370 --> 03:24:31,470
Good evening, again.

2160
03:24:32,190 --> 03:24:33,950
Jelisa Costa, interim, economic and community

2161
03:24:33,950 --> 03:24:38,650
by telling a manager, and I'm here joined by Karen Decker or Interim Deputy City Manager,

2162
03:24:39,290 --> 03:24:42,110
and we're going to talk to you about the Carter Park donor program.

2163
03:24:43,390 --> 03:24:45,190
Just for a little bit of background.

2164
03:24:46,070 --> 03:24:50,070
In 2019, the parts master plan identified Carter Park

2165
03:24:50,070 --> 03:24:53,950
that's a potential side that was being underutilized at a time

2166
03:24:53,950 --> 03:24:56,890
and recommended some updates.

2167
03:24:57,890 --> 03:24:59,950
In 2022, we received funding.

2168
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From Assembly Member Mark Burman, for .75 million dollars plus additional funding to add improvements to the park.

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During that time, there was a policy adopted for donations, specifically related to Carter Park.

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03:25:19,760 --> 03:25:28,980
This was an anticipation of the construction project that was going to happen and included a little bit more of a construction sort of scope to the park.

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03:25:28,980 --> 03:25:35,640
As of 2026, the park is the park's renovation have been completed and the program is in active views.

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03:25:36,180 --> 03:25:47,840
You may remember back in May, we brought forward a recommendation to adopt a new fee structure for a car to park so we can start including it in our rental facilities program.

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03:25:48,700 --> 03:25:52,520
What you're seeing in your screen right now is the park being active.

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03:25:52,520 --> 03:26:00,220
We've used it for city sponsor events, like the Fourth of July Fun Zone.

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03:26:01,540 --> 03:26:06,400
We've had our first summers and last year after the park was renovated with hosted

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03:26:06,400 --> 03:26:07,600
a VIP reception.

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03:26:09,500 --> 03:26:13,780
We have movies in the park coming up this month, and later this month, an early October.

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03:26:15,060 --> 03:26:17,820
And we want to continue utilizing the park.

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03:26:17,820 --> 03:26:22,440
And as you see, this is a very active space right now

2180
03:26:22,440 --> 03:26:25,380
and local community organizations have also rented

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03:26:25,380 --> 03:26:28,780
the park as part of the new structure.

2182
03:26:30,800 --> 03:26:36,560
Because we've switched from construction to program needs.

2183
03:26:37,020 --> 03:26:39,480
Now the park is active.

2184
03:26:40,200 --> 03:26:47,740
Art needs for staircase or restaurants have changed.

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03:26:47,820 --> 03:26:53,420
And now we're more into, how do we continue promoting the park and the activities and

2186
03:26:53,420 --> 03:26:56,200
at enhancements now that the park is fully renovated?

2187
03:26:56,600 --> 03:27:02,320
Staff work closely with the Parks and Recreation Committee and receive feedback.

2188
03:27:02,980 --> 03:27:08,480
We wanted to present an opportunity to update the program, the donor program for Carter

2189
03:27:08,480 --> 03:27:14,520
Park specifically, and we came up with four recommendations tonight or four different

2190
03:27:14,520 --> 03:27:16,380
options to donate tonight.

2191
03:27:16,380 --> 03:27:23,280
One of them is the what we're calling give to H&B, this is in this came from an inspiration

2192
03:27:23,280 --> 03:27:29,160
from give to SF program that the City of City and County of San Francisco has.

2193
03:27:29,860 --> 03:27:35,500
We want to try this online opportunity to allow community members to make donations via online

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03:27:35,500 --> 03:27:38,280
which is something that we don't currently have.

2195
03:27:38,280 --> 03:27:47,440
We are our can or interim finance services director is working with a vendor that offers

2196
03:27:47,440 --> 03:27:53,880
this service at no cost of the city and so we're excited to explore this opportunity

2197
03:27:53,880 --> 03:27:56,060
for folks to donate online.

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03:27:56,700 --> 03:28:05,860
We also have black opportunities for folks who want to have larger contributions and we'll

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03:28:05,860 --> 03:28:09,740
and Karen's going to talk a little bit more about what those black opportunities would look like

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03:28:09,740 --> 03:28:15,660
in the actual park. We also are considering naming opportunities for gifts that are larger

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03:28:15,660 --> 03:28:23,200
than $100,000 and this will obviously be in collaboration with city staff individually managed

2202
03:28:23,200 --> 03:28:29,540
in obviously city council approved. And then also in kind contributions, somebody may want to support

2203
03:28:29,540 --> 03:28:36,660
a succulent garden up at the rooftop or produce some sort of landscape or update to the park

2204
03:28:36,660 --> 03:28:39,240
and just that form.

2205
03:28:40,420 --> 03:28:45,660
I'm going to turn it over to Karen so she can talk to council about the different options.

2206
03:28:50,150 --> 03:28:54,290
Okay, so this table shows the plaque locations that we're proposing.

2207
03:28:55,110 --> 03:28:56,490
There's a seating area.

2208
03:28:57,030 --> 03:29:01,150
There's the amphitheater wall location as you're descending those stairs of Carter Park.

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03:29:01,810 --> 03:29:04,890
at three different sizes and price points.

2210
03:29:06,550 --> 03:29:10,230
We are proposing recognition terms of five to 10 years.

2211
03:29:10,670 --> 03:29:12,990
We learned a lot from our memorial bench program.

2212
03:29:13,250 --> 03:29:15,270
There was no limit to plaques,

2213
03:29:15,410 --> 03:29:16,890
and it caused a lot of confusion.

2214
03:29:17,130 --> 03:29:18,790
There was a lack of policy at the time.

2215
03:29:19,330 --> 03:29:23,450
So we're trying to take lessons learned from inactive program

2216
03:29:23,450 --> 03:29:27,750
and provide some parameters and flexibility going into the future.

2217
03:29:28,910 --> 03:29:32,870
Unlike in 2022, this isn't an open-ended tier system.

2218
03:29:32,950 --> 03:29:35,010
It's a fixed finite inventory.

2219
03:29:35,750 --> 03:29:38,150
So once a location is claimed for such a plaque,

2220
03:29:38,290 --> 03:29:39,170
it's kind of off the table.

2221
03:29:39,330 --> 03:29:41,650
So to speak, until a future capital project,

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03:29:42,110 --> 03:29:44,650
I'm creating a new space or until that term ends.

2223
03:29:47,870 --> 03:29:50,430
So this picture illustrates that seating area,

2224
03:29:50,450 --> 03:29:51,970
what we mean by SA1,

2225
03:29:53,030 --> 03:29:56,790
and those rectangles that you see that are evenly spaced across those tiers

2226
03:29:56,790 --> 03:29:59,650
we're strategically chosen because

2227
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:05,000
The intention was not to look too cluttered. We talked to other agencies that have a lot of

2228
03:30:05,000 --> 03:30:10,420
plaques and the feedback that we got was that tourists felt like it was almost like a cemetery.

2229
03:30:10,740 --> 03:30:16,380
It started to look cluttered quickly. Also, these were strategically placed over existing

2230
03:30:16,380 --> 03:30:21,300
lights. So if it got to be dusk or nighttime, this would really beautifully illuminate

2231
03:30:21,300 --> 03:30:25,020
what's already there in a way to draw attention to that donor.

2232
03:30:27,760 --> 03:30:33,080
So these are the actual locations tied to the table that you just saw, the seating area behind

2233
03:30:33,080 --> 03:30:37,600
the amphitheater seating and then the two wall locations, flanking the amphitheater.

2234
03:30:38,540 --> 03:30:43,660
We believe that having real photos tied to real location IDs makes it easier for prospective

2235
03:30:43,660 --> 03:30:46,360
donors and for us to track what's available.

2236
03:30:48,100 --> 03:30:53,040
So just to summarize what we're proposing that would change from the 2022 policy that was

2237
03:30:53,040 --> 03:30:56,660
compared to what we believe makes sense moving forward

2238
03:30:56,660 --> 03:30:58,320
since the park is already renovated.

2239
03:30:58,880 --> 03:31:02,100
We want to move from one time capital focused fundraising

2240
03:31:02,100 --> 03:31:04,540
to an ongoing giving program.

2241
03:31:05,460 --> 03:31:08,160
We are replacing open-ended dollar tiers

2242
03:31:08,160 --> 03:31:11,180
with a fixed price inventory of locations.

2243
03:31:12,100 --> 03:31:15,800
We're establishing naming opportunities as a formal separate pathway.

2244
03:31:16,780 --> 03:31:19,840
And we're setting $100,000 as a threshold

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03:31:19,840 --> 03:31:27,760
for what we're considering a major gift or folks could earn other named recognition opportunities

2246
03:31:27,760 --> 03:31:32,360
but that would be individually negotiated and it would require city council approval.

2247
03:31:32,800 --> 03:31:38,220
It's just a really quick example of what I mean by that. If someone say they made a donation

2248
03:31:38,220 --> 03:31:43,080
but it was tied to a particular enhancement or piece of equipment like somebody wanted to purchase

2249
03:31:43,080 --> 03:31:49,140
an LED screen for ongoing use for the city to the tune of $35,000. We want council to be in

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03:31:49,140 --> 03:31:54,680
position to be flexible, and that screen could potentially have the name of that entity or

2251
03:31:54,680 --> 03:31:58,520
that company at the top of the screen if Council approved it, even though that wouldn't

2252
03:31:58,520 --> 03:31:59,960
meet the $100,000 threshold.

2253
03:32:00,940 --> 03:32:07,080
So naming could go to a particular place like the rooftop garden or the stage, or it could

2254
03:32:07,080 --> 03:32:10,560
be tied to a particular enhancement or amenity, like lights or a screen.

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03:32:12,850 --> 03:32:17,870
So recognition terms are now capped at 5 to 10 years for plaques, and one year for a website

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03:32:17,870 --> 03:32:18,310
listing.

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03:32:18,310 --> 03:32:23,850
that's renewable. And we've added clear content standards for inscriptions, a donor

2258
03:32:23,850 --> 03:32:29,970
disclosure and release process, and clear terms on maintenance and removal. So the city

2259
03:32:29,970 --> 03:32:31,470
retains full discretion.

2260
03:32:34,850 --> 03:32:38,350
And just for convenience, we paste at the recommendation. We are

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03:32:38,350 --> 03:32:42,910
recommending that council adopt a resolution of proving an update to the donor recognition

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03:32:42,910 --> 03:32:48,050
and naming policy for Carter Park, replacing the policy that was adopted on June 7, 2022,

2263
03:32:48,050 --> 03:32:52,510
with the Carter Park donor and sponsorship program and Julie Sennheyer

2264
03:32:52,510 --> 03:32:54,930
are open to taking clarifying questions or comments.

2265
03:32:57,740 --> 03:33:00,340
Great progress.

2266
03:33:01,500 --> 03:33:03,000
Tells we're neck and chest.

2267
03:33:03,700 --> 03:33:04,800
Thank you.

2268
03:33:05,100 --> 03:33:09,280
Three quick ones. First, what about a sign that says Carter Park?

2269
03:33:10,360 --> 03:33:16,360
I keep asking for that one. I've actually had people not know where it is.

2270
03:33:17,120 --> 03:33:19,520
So, yeah, I was still working on that, right?

2271
03:33:19,680 --> 03:33:20,820
Yeah, I'll jump it on the stop.

2272
03:33:20,840 --> 03:33:24,480
That would be a CIP project outside of the donor program.

2273
03:33:25,000 --> 03:33:28,380
And it is something that when we bring the priorities work plan

2274
03:33:28,380 --> 03:33:31,640
for it to you at the next meeting, is listed as one of the options.

2275
03:33:31,920 --> 03:33:33,260
We'll want to talk about whether we're going to prioritize that.

2276
03:33:33,260 --> 03:33:34,020
That would be good.

2277
03:33:35,820 --> 03:33:38,600
And then if somebody would give the safe for maintenance,

2278
03:33:38,620 --> 03:33:40,700
because I believe somebody already has,

2279
03:33:40,920 --> 03:33:43,500
that that money specifically stays there,

2280
03:33:43,500 --> 03:33:45,880
that every session or something happens,

2281
03:33:46,080 --> 03:33:48,640
we're not tempted to put it somewhere else.

2282
03:33:48,840 --> 03:33:51,540
That it stays specifically if it was given specifically

2283
03:33:51,540 --> 03:33:54,800
for maintenance of Carter Park when you don't have the ability

2284
03:33:54,800 --> 03:33:58,840
to maintain it anymore, it is there for that reason, right?

2285
03:33:59,460 --> 03:34:01,800
Yeah, this is not a hypothetical.

2286
03:34:01,960 --> 03:34:03,040
This is a real thing.

2287
03:34:03,200 --> 03:34:06,140
We have one large donor thus far for Carter Park

2288
03:34:06,140 --> 03:34:08,700
and that's specifically their request.

2289
03:34:09,300 --> 03:34:12,000
You know, with the caveat that if there was a specific need,

2290
03:34:12,000 --> 03:34:20,720
we could approach them and talk about it, and Ken has earmarked those funds within, and

2291
03:34:20,720 --> 03:34:24,960
Ken, you might want to speak to this, I believe we created a separate maintenance fund

2292
03:34:24,960 --> 03:34:28,380
for Carter Park, and that's where that money sits, and it's earmarked.

2293
03:34:28,380 --> 03:34:34,240
So it will be, and then, God forbid, I'm not on council anymore, you're not a city manager,

2294
03:34:34,600 --> 03:34:39,640
but it will still be there that somebody will know it was for Carter Park maintenance.

2295
03:34:40,280 --> 03:34:40,800
Okay.

2296
03:34:41,840 --> 03:34:44,060
Just one more point to that.

2297
03:34:44,460 --> 03:34:47,380
We also have the new give to HMB Digital Platform.

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03:34:48,000 --> 03:34:53,940
This is specific to Carter Park and when the pull down menu comes up, there's three choices

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03:34:53,940 --> 03:34:56,680
that donor can make and maintenance is one of them.

2300
03:34:57,140 --> 03:34:59,620
The other two are enhancements or programming.

2301
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:14,780
And so, we will honor that tiered system through a very easy to manage database and we're able to vet all our questions by the city and county of San Francisco, and they were incredible in talking us through our concerns, lessons learned feasibility.

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03:35:15,380 --> 03:35:19,160
And this trial of setting up this new platform is at no cost of the city.

2303
03:35:19,620 --> 03:35:24,700
We initially interviewed the vendor that San Francisco uses. We received a quote we weren't quite comfortable with.

2304
03:35:24,700 --> 03:35:30,660
And so actually Ken and Julissa interviewed our current vendor, Numo, who does our sales tax,

2305
03:35:31,120 --> 03:35:34,860
and they were able to develop something at no cost.

2306
03:35:35,340 --> 03:35:41,180
And so we're really hoping that that platform will be available by an evening at Carter Park,

2307
03:35:41,600 --> 03:35:47,560
the night before summer's end, but it's all systems go, but we're not quite sure if it will be ready.

2308
03:35:48,040 --> 03:35:52,960
Regardless, folks can be given a QR code that will take them to a landing page if City Council

2309
03:35:52,960 --> 03:35:57,280
approves this donor policy so that they'll have options to donate that night and beyond.

2310
03:35:57,560 --> 03:35:59,080
But we're excited to try the new platform.

2311
03:35:59,680 --> 03:36:03,020
And if it gets legs, we could potentially use it for other projects too.

2312
03:36:03,380 --> 03:36:06,200
We're just using Carter Park donations as a proof of concept.

2313
03:36:07,260 --> 03:36:07,440
Okay.

2314
03:36:07,920 --> 03:36:15,260
I mean, like I said, I know how a company that can be, if you set up a fund, you need it as

2315
03:36:15,260 --> 03:36:19,740
like, right, but just I'd like us to make sure it's there.

2316
03:36:19,740 --> 03:36:23,520
And then one last thing, interesting, you put a term limit.

2317
03:36:23,760 --> 03:36:29,600
So if I gave $25,000, I'm only good for, was that five years, or maybe it's a little

2318
03:36:29,600 --> 03:36:30,060
long.

2319
03:36:31,020 --> 03:36:31,600
Eight years?

2320
03:36:32,100 --> 03:36:32,420
It's eight.

2321
03:36:32,880 --> 03:36:33,540
It's kind of weird.

2322
03:36:34,100 --> 03:36:34,540
I don't know.

2323
03:36:34,720 --> 03:36:37,940
Maybe that's the going rate for a plaque now, is that we could do that?

2324
03:36:38,020 --> 03:36:42,260
Well, we did extensively search on this as well, just to make sure that we were trying,

2325
03:36:48,020 --> 03:36:48,020
we

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03:36:48,020 --> 03:36:53,720
not to make that donation in perpetuity and they would have their

2327
03:36:53,720 --> 03:36:59,880
plaque or name their forever. It also to all out other folks to continue donating and

2328
03:36:59,880 --> 03:37:05,600
this is what we've discovered some other entities do as far as I mean it's

2329
03:37:05,600 --> 03:37:11,560
yeah that's typical and donors are used to that. There are some that are but I

2330
03:37:11,560 --> 03:37:16,780
think what we found some of the ones that are longer recognition are the smaller

2331
03:37:18,540 --> 03:37:23,340
sort of the pavers or something like that that are smaller and easier to maintain.

2332
03:37:24,420 --> 03:37:25,560
I don't know if they'll will.

2333
03:37:25,700 --> 03:37:28,360
Yeah, but we also don't have as many.

2334
03:37:29,080 --> 03:37:36,380
If you look at a place like the library, there were so many rooms, areas, sections for more naming opportunities.

2335
03:37:36,960 --> 03:37:41,600
Without trying to look too cluttered, we have the succulent rooftop garden, we have the stage.

2336
03:37:42,040 --> 03:37:43,780
We didn't really have a lot of interest near the bathrooms.

2337
03:37:45,140 --> 03:37:53,640
And so we just wanted to have give council flexibility of 10 years into the future that that could be revisited instead of no term limit.

2338
03:37:53,920 --> 03:37:56,080
Okay, that's it.

2339
03:37:56,260 --> 03:37:57,200
Thank you.

2340
03:37:57,520 --> 03:38:03,660
So besides the maintenance, how are you going to sequester donated funds for specific purposes?

2341
03:38:04,080 --> 03:38:11,820
Just to make sure, assure the public that the money that they're giving will be applied to the intended purpose and not

2342
03:38:11,820 --> 03:38:15,120
co-mingled with general funds or other stuff.

2343
03:38:15,540 --> 03:38:22,600
Yeah, when we, when Ken and I met with Numo, which is the online vendor for the online donation,

2344
03:38:23,740 --> 03:38:28,480
they specify that they could break it down for us if we received donations like Keren said,

2345
03:38:28,480 --> 03:38:32,820
they're really a drop-down menu. So when you log in or you go into the portal,

2346
03:38:33,420 --> 03:38:38,280
you can select your donation for programming and we'll have a brief description of what that entails.

2347
03:38:38,280 --> 03:38:44,480
CD sponsor events or classes or recreation programming and when the

2348
03:38:46,220 --> 03:38:48,800
Company provides the monthly report to Ken will know

2349
03:38:49,760 --> 03:38:56,300
Ex amount of dollars were donated toward programming X amount went to or maintenance X amount went to

2350
03:38:57,020 --> 03:39:02,800
Park enhancements and so that's how we will track it on our end and it will be similar to the maintenance fund

2351
03:39:03,860 --> 03:39:06,820
It will stay there. We I just want to make sure that

2352
03:39:06,820 --> 03:39:09,100
We're not combingling funds.

2353
03:39:09,520 --> 03:39:11,720
Yeah, we asked San Francisco that question as well.

2354
03:39:11,920 --> 03:39:15,340
And the way they addressed it was they set up separate charter accounts.

2355
03:39:15,960 --> 03:39:20,540
And then donors select which fund or we have three choices for them within Carter Park,

2356
03:39:20,580 --> 03:39:21,660
how they want to give.

2357
03:39:21,960 --> 03:39:25,280
And then the donation goes to accounting and gets reconciled.

2358
03:39:25,420 --> 03:39:27,540
And then monthly reports are generated.

2359
03:39:27,840 --> 03:39:30,640
So at any given time, we can give updates on said funds.

2360
03:39:41,010 --> 03:39:41,030
Yes.

2361
03:39:45,050 --> 03:39:47,150
I worked with Paulette over the weekend about the list.

2362
03:39:47,150 --> 03:39:54,350
And we looked at your, your guys as a original list and then we came up with a modified list, if you got an analyst.

2363
03:39:55,410 --> 03:39:58,490
Okay. I'd like to make sure that we utilize that list.

2364
03:40:06,680 --> 03:40:08,820
State then? No, no direction.

2365
03:40:14,820 --> 03:40:18,160
I can, I'm having computer troubles, that's why I can't call.

2366
03:40:19,860 --> 03:40:23,420
Is there any members for public guidance? There we go. Maybe.

2367
03:40:26,040 --> 03:40:32,700
Yeah, I will, but I wanted to see the recommendation first. So is there anyone in the audience would like to address the donor program?

2368
03:40:34,140 --> 03:40:39,340
Is there anyone online who would like to address the proposed donor program for Carter Park?

2369
03:40:40,700 --> 03:40:44,620
Seeing none, I'll bring it back for any further discussion or emotion.

2370
03:40:45,300 --> 03:40:47,260
I'm ready to do the motion.

2371
03:40:48,220 --> 03:40:52,660
We adopt a resolution of proving an update to the donor recognition and naming

2372
03:40:52,660 --> 03:40:59,060
program for Carter Park replacing the policy adopted on June 7th, 2022 with the

2373
03:40:59,060 --> 03:41:02,000
Carter Park donor and sponsorship policy.

2374
03:41:06,360 --> 03:41:10,160
roll call please. Council member Brownstone.

2375
03:41:10,580 --> 03:41:14,780
Yes. Council member Johnson. Yes. Council member Naga Gast.

2376
03:41:15,380 --> 03:41:18,600
Yes. Mayor Retic. Yes. Motion carries.

2377
03:41:18,860 --> 03:41:20,980
Thank you. Thank you for an excellent report.

2378
03:41:24,240 --> 03:41:29,260
So item 12, any future agenda items?

2379
03:41:29,520 --> 03:41:33,760
People want to recommend seeing none.

2380
03:41:34,880 --> 03:41:36,160
Any city council reports?

2381
03:41:37,440 --> 03:41:39,420
seeing none.

2382
03:41:41,910 --> 03:41:44,190
We can adjourn this meeting. Thank you.