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Welcome to the City of Half Moon Bay Planning Commission meeting of Tuesday, May 14th, 2024. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance.

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We take a roll call, please. Yes, please. Commissioner Reddick. I am here. Commissioner, Commissioner Gorn. I'm here. Commissioner Hernandez. I am present. Vice Chair Johannes. Present. And Chair Gosse. Here. All commissioners are present.

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President this evening?

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We'll go through the approval of the minutes from April 30th, 2024 meeting.

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And Bridget's going to talk about that briefly.

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Yes, we have one addendum to the minutes and it's to add that we did reopen the public comment

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to here and allow those that didn't get a chance to speak on the 23rd because of the

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the waitness of the meeting and to allow their voices to be heard, and I mean that meeting,

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the earlier meeting went till midnight, so we just allowed that, so I'm going to put a clause in there in that set of minutes if it works for the commissioners.

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Other than that, there was no other changes.

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I move that we approve the minutes with the edit that Brits had just talked about.

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I second the motion.

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All those in favor?

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Yes, aye.

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Approved.

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Okay. And at this point, I'll turn the meeting over to winter to talk about the report from a recent closed session meeting with the Planning Commission.

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Yes, we had the closed session as posted on the agenda and there's nothing to report out.

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Thank you. And we are going to- I'm rearranging the agenda a bit.

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We are going to move public comment for anything that's not on the agenda to after item 1A.

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So, I would like to introduce item 1A, which is a continuation of a project from a date

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certain of April 30th, 2024 to today.

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And the description is a coastal development permit and architectural review for a 40-unit

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affordable multi-family residential project with 2,653 square feet of farm worker resource

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center and the CDP, a city file is PDP 23-034 and at this point I'll turn it over to

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Christie to give a short presentation.

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Yes, very short, thank you, Chair.

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As you mentioned, this item was continued from the April 30th hearing.

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It is resuming this evening for the Planning Commission to ask additional clarifying questions

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of staff.

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To begin, deliberations, the commission was provided a short supplemental staff agenda.

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We attempted to answer many of the questions that came out from the last hearing and the

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questions from the commission provided some supplemental information on the planning

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commission authority, restated some key local coastal land use plan policies, and included

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a recommendation on the process for this evening.

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Attached to that staff report was a approval resolution that staff was recommending along

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with updated conditions of approval.

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And I will just share real briefly just to touch again on kind of the planning commission

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process.

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The meeting of course has been opened and this all began with the staff presentation back

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on the 23rd applicant presentation, public comment that was received both on the 23rd and

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30th, and then planning commission provided some clarifying questions to staff both on the

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23rd, 30th, and then again this evening planning commission deliberations will happen this evening

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and to follow that will be a planning commission decision. We do have a slide with the different

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options for the commission in terms of what options you can take this evening that I'm happy to put up there when it comes time for the commission to get there.

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Wincher and I are here to happy to answer any questions that the commission has in relation to items that were in the staff report.

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Additional responses that we provided the commission on questions that were asked just here.

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Thank you for the resource for you. I know Mercy housing the applicant has an update to their proposal that they'd like to share with the commission this evening, so it's okay with the chair. We can invite them now or you can decide how you'd like to handle that.

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Sure, they can come up and present their updates.

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Good evening. My name is Rami Dare and I'm the regional director of real estate for Mercy housing, California. And I'm here representing the applicant. Thank you so much for granting me.

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this time to speak. We value this opportunity to develop affordable housing for farm

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workers in a resource center at this location at 555 Kelly. We have worked really hard to design

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the development and partnership with the city and the community and in the spirit of partnership.

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We'd like to offer two items for the commission's consideration this evening. First, the building

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height. We are able to reduce the height of the building by 4 to 5 feet by reducing at

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each level the floor of the ceiling height. So with this reduction, the building height

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overall is reduced to 45 feet 6 inches on the four-story portion on Kelly Avenue and to

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the 54 feet, six inches at the five story portion.

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This is a reduction of half a story.

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We're pleased to be able to offer this,

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as the tallest point would be less than five feet

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above the 50 foot height limit

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if the state density bonus law was not used.

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Second, we are offering to evaluate

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the feasibility of changing the unit mix.

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It is currently eight studios, 26 one bedrooms, and eight two bedrooms for a total of 40 apartments.

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We are offering to evaluate if we can convert six of the two bedroom units to one bedroom units

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so that the unit mix would be something like this.

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Six studios, 32 one bedrooms, and two two bedroom apartments.

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We would like to retain a two-bedroom managers unit and have another two-bedroom for circumstances such as a senior resident with a live-in caregiver.

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The reduced height that I described in the first offer would still be part of this as well.

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Our evaluation of changing the unit mix will include whether the funding that we have received will be

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We still intact with this unit change, unit mix change, and if there's any other impacts to the feasibility of the development because of that unit change on our competitiveness for other funding sources that we still need to secure.

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It will take us some time to do this due diligence, so we request that the commission approve us to move forward with this evaluation of the unit change and

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And bring back that analysis to the city through the director.

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We request that the commission consider these two offers as genuine good faith efforts

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to respond to concerns, as well as to be able to move forward to develop the affordable

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senior farm worker housing that this community so needs and wants.

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We would be pleased to be available for the questions from the commission and

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to get your feedback. And we hope to reach a resolution this evening. Thank you.

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Through the chair, can I ask the applicant one? I'm sorry, would you mind repeating the new heights?

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Of course.

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Okay, so there's two heights. So if you remember, there's a four-story portion on Kelli Av.

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So the new height would be 45 feet, six inches.

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And towards the back, on the five-story portion,

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Then the new height would be 54 feet, six inches.

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So that would be less than five feet over the 50 foot height limit.

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And I do have another clarifying question.

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And you said six two bedrooms would, can you talk about the two bedroom mix again, I'm sorry.

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Of course, yeah, I know there's a lot.

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So what we are offering to evaluate is that we understand that there's some concern

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We're in about the two bedrooms that are proposed.

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There are eight two bedroom units proposed in our current proposal that we submitted.

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We're offering to look at if we can change six of those eight two bedroom units to one bedroom units.

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So we would-

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And we'd like to keep two bedrooms. Again, for the manager's unit, and then to be able to offer someone who has like a live-in caregiver, that other two bedroom unit, that kind of situation. And so, if that unit mix change sounded like a good path, the unit mix could look like six studios, 32 one bedrooms.

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terms, and two bedrooms for a total of 40 parmits.

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That's, or 41, thank you.

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42, no, 40, yeah, 40.

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It's 40, sometimes doing math on the fly is a little challenging.

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The plan is to have 40 units, is that correct?

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It would be 40 units.

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Yeah, but the original plan had the manager's unit as one of the 40, that's why it's actually 42.

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I know, no, not doing that.

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So yeah, so just to clarify the application that we had originally submitted was for 40 units and it did include a manager's unit.

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And so our offer is to evaluate keeping that total at 40 units, but

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But changing the mix so that we have less to two bedrooms and change those two bedrooms to ones.

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Thank you, any other clarifying questions.

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So the total number of units for this project is going to stay at 40 units.

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We would like to have it stay at 40 units.

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So,

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the original, you know, the one that had number

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now, but it was 39 living units and one manager's unit can make 40.

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So, this is 40 living units and two manager units.

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No, sorry, it would still be 39 living units and one staff unit.

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So, one of the two managing units would be a living unit.

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Is that kind of what you're saying?

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One of the two bedrooms is a manager's unit and one of the two bedrooms is for someone who needs a live-in caregiver.

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I'll for a live-in caregiver, okay, so not a second.

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You said something about a second manager's unit.

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Oh, no, I think I'm sorry.

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I'll be sounded confusing.

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Okay. So yeah, basically what we're trying to do is change the two bedrooms except for two of those to one bedrooms.

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That's the offer for us to evaluate.

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So 39 litre units and the managers unit.

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Correct.

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Yes, thanks.

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Thank you.

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I do have a clarifying question.

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But wait, before we go into clarifying question, well, do you want to continue with the applicant on this proposal?

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Yes?

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Go ahead, I'm sorry.

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Thank you.

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And I really appreciate you listening to the feedback from some members of the community.

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Okay. The height would be measured from the existing grade, the 45 feet.

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Okay, I see a nod from the architect behind you just want to confirm.

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So the 45 feet and the 54 feet is from the existing grade.

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Okay, great, thank you.

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So as far as you would like the opportunity to evaluate this option.

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So what is your request exactly of the planning commission?

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The request is to have the commission vote this evening to allow us to move forward with

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the proposal, but with those two, I guess, offers or changes that I just described.

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So the height would be lower by four to five feet, so same design, but shorter building.

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And then the second would be that we would look at the unit mix to see if we can change it.

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and that we would come back to the city, to the director to say we've done this analysis to look at what the impact might be for us to change the units on the overall financing, and here's what we can do.

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Is that help?

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Okay. I think we might have other clarifying questions. So we will get back to you if we need you to come back up and ask or ask answer questions for us. And I asked my fellow commissioners if anyone would like to start with clarifying questions, or if anyone would like to state anything before we get into clarifying questions. Through the chair. Yes. So before we start, I just wanted to say that the day

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After our last meeting, we met two weeks ago, so the day after that, when my wife was driving our two children to school, or nine and ten years old,

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there was a man with a sign that was stationed outside the school, so that all the school kids could see it, and my kids could see it,

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with a sign that said, David Gorn hates farm workers.

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So I understand,

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let's just say, this guy,

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Matt Channeka, who doesn't know me,

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doesn't know what I stand for,

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doesn't know really anything about me

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and who I am.

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He just knows my kids go to that school.

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I'm given to understand that this supporter of yours is not necessarily affiliated with alas,

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but I would say that Mr. Janica did not operate in a vacuum, and the tone that has been set and

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And the vitriol that the Planning Commission has gone through and the Planning Commissioners

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have gone through is very problematic and I

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would say you

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might want to have a little

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faith rather than launch a full scale attack which is what has happened in the last couple

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of weeks.

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You might want to have some faith that the City Council has set housing, affordable housing, as its number one priority, and has worked really hard to make that happen, which is why we have the corp yard over by the Stomping Center with affordable housing.

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That's why we have this project before us.

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you know, the $6 million that the county pointed up for Bay City, you think that's the county's idea?

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That's locals who did that, who made that happen, that's your mayor, and locals who made that happen.

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So you have a little faith that, you know, we're kind of working toward the same thing, and

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don't just assume that we're not.

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not.

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We haven't even done anything yet. We haven't made a decision. We barely talked

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about anything. And if this planning commission approves the project, it goes to City Council

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for them to work on. If we deny it, it goes to City Council for them to work on. So,

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after

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we make a decision and you don't like it, then go ahead and fight. Like, go ahead, we're

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public servants, you know, I'll take the fight, whatever the fight is.

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But you can leave my family and my kids out of it.

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Please respectfully ask for your thank you.

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I just wanted to echo that sentiment.

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I think sometimes we're used to being in here with a room of two people in attendance.

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And we talk about very arcane things.

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I do want to thank Mayor Jimenez for recognizing that and standing by the Planning Commission and our deliberations process.

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Normally on a project like this that's taken two years, we would have had an opportunity to have some of these questions answered about halfway through.

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And many people are now fired up to get something done and I've been cajoled by many people in this room to simply turn a blind eye and approve the project exactly as is.

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We have an obligation to put the city on the best legal foot.

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And make sure that we follow the law as the governor has asked us, both state, density, bonus law, and the coastal act, because it benefits all of us. And I think it's important for us to get this right, because there are a lot of people who are foreign against this project. And I think almost, I think all of us here at this podium have put in place policies to support exactly this type of housing. Our obligation is to protect the city.

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and to protect the health and welfare of our community, both the public health as well as the financial stability of the city from lawsuits.

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So it's an important part of what we're doing here.

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Thanks.

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And I would just like to say that we appreciate all the input that was giving at the last hearing and the hearing prior to that on April 23rd in which we were here until midnight because we really wanted to hear your voice.

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And we will consider all the input received in our deliberation.

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So we do have a lot of work to do tonight and before we conclude our deliberations.

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And in terms of the planning commission process, we are still asking clarifying questions.

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And as a point of order, I'm asking that you refrain from clapping or cheering, or any other outburst because it will just slow down the process.

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I appreciate the passion in this room, but if the public continues to disrupt the process, we're going to have a long night ahead of us.

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So at this time, I'm going to ask the applicant and city staff to jot down our clarifying questions and to save your answers until the end.

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Unless a commissioner really feels like they need to have the applicant come forward.

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Thank you.

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I want to go first.

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I had some clarifying questions around transit policy, so I'm under the impression that state

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density bonus law and some of its provisions are impacted by the proximity of having

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a major transit stop within a half mile of the project.

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and I tried reading the Coastal Act on my own and not the Coastal Act State Density Bonus Law on my own and assisted and I would appreciate city staff and the attorney's office providing clarification on what the impact of having a major transit stop or not having one is on the project and I'm asking the question because it appears to me as a layperson that there may not be a major transit

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would stop within a half mile of the project or within half moon bed all, so appreciate that.

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Sure, I'll take that one.

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So staff did determine that there's a major transit stop within half mile of the project,

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and you can kind of combine all the transit that is happening.

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It doesn't have to be like one bus stops super frequently.

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So the routes that, well, Christie, did you want to talk, I can say the routes that staff

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I've looked at, we're about 117 and 294, as well as

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Sam trans microtransit options, which are available on demand to sort of fill in the gaps there.

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So staff did determine that the project is within a half mile of a major transit stop.

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I'll say as a general matter, state density bonus law generally prohibits the city from imposing

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development standards that would physically preclude a project that qualifies for state

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density bonus. That's called a waiver. It's separate from the concessions and incentives.

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Here this is the super density bonus project. And so there is more of a connection to the

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major transit stop because there's unlimited density that's allowed. So there are provisions

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that site to a major transit stop, and that's the determination that staff made, was that it is within a half mile of one of those.

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So I'm under the impression that the frequency of bus service needs to be 15 minutes or less during peak hours.

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How do we, and there's two part question here, it's one, does it exist, and two, if anything, what is the impact?

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So those are the two questions.

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Let's start with, is there in fact a transit stop and can you walk us through the schedule that gets us there?

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Yeah, the stop itself is at Maiden Mayor Montez in downtown, and there's also a transit stop at Kelly and Church.

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So there's one very close proximity to the project site. Both 117 and 294 operate in hourly basis, a adjusted hourly basis, so between the two of them, there is regular service, and then the SAM trams. Ride plus service is on demand service that can be requested at any point, and you can use that like regular transit. So that would meet the every 15-minute frequency in staff's determine.

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So there's four bus lines plus the micro bus, there's a major bus, one is considered a major bus because it connects half Moon Bay to other communities, and the others are considered local lines.

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2.94 runs between half Moon Bay, and then,

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Hill Salmall.

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Peltrain Station, San Mateo, and Hill Gamall.

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And then 117, so that's a Pacifica, yeah.

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But those are an hour apart.

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How do you get to 15 minutes with those two?

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Between those two, they offset each other.

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So I think as Winter was saying, you don't need to have one bus line that runs after you 15 minutes.

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What you need to have is regular 15 minutes service at a particular location.

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So, between those two lines and between the same trans-ride plus, which is non-demand service that can be scheduled in the downtown, that's where you get the determination that this meets the major transit service within a half mile of the project site.

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Okay. Set that aside for a second. Okay, so what's the impact? If this is, in fact, is there any impact on this project?

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effective, this is in fact an issue, or if this is, if this doesn't exist, is there an issue?

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Yes, this is how you get to the unlimited density in the super-density bonus statutes.

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So, if this is a component of that determination.

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What does that mean, is that effect A waiver, two waivers, four waivers?

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Help me understand how that works.

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That's the unlimited density is how we get from the 10 workforce housing overlay units to the 40.

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And Sam trans can add new bus services to this project, right?

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I mean, we could increase the service, but staff's contention that an unscheduled bus service

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considers considered a major bus line.

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Staff's contention is that between 17 and 294 and

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the Ride Plus service, which is an on-demand transit that is offered through SAMe Trans,

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gets to that every 15-minute headway service to downtown within a half mile of this project site.

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Okay, thank you.

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Go ahead.

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So, there's a few things that I don't really understand.

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One of them was, you know, we started out with a project that was for retired farm workers.

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and then it switched to senior farm workers.

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Now the limit is the lower number, you know, you have to be 55 years old.

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So it seems like that when you first came up with that number of 30% of the people don't own cars,

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cars that that maybe was referring to the seniors who were mostly in the studios, I assume

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is mostly senior couples, so it would be mostly 40 units, 39 units with two people in each

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unit, mostly.

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So we're looking at between 80 and 100 people, 30% of which don't own cars.

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So that sort of like says don't worry so much about the parking and traffic, but now we're looking at with

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the new one, we're looking at just six studios, the 32 one bedrooms, and then a couple of two bedrooms.

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And

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so that kind of says to me it's more families, it's more people living in those places.

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And that it's not just a couple.

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So I would like to just make sure that I know who it is that we're talking about.

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Like if we're talking about families, which is I guess what we're talking about with most of the other two bedroom houses that are two bedroom apartments that are now.

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Families with the one bedroom, so I don't really understand that part. And then I also loved the rundown last meeting on the affordable housing tax credit and how that works.

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It's like you explained something that I thought was unexplainable. But so now I'm a little bit concerned that that's a big part of your funding. And I know,

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Gavin Newsom, like he's a friend, the project apparently, but he's also talking about cutting that.

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So, if he cuts that affordable housing tax credit, does that, does that, like, put the financing in jeopardy?

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Like I'm actually really concerned, maybe I don't know if that's outside of our purview or not, but I think it's in our purview.

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And then I also wanted to know so that we started with an original project that was the City Council approved, the RFQ, with a certain number of studios in a certain height.

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I think I was the first four stories and I don't remember the number of studios, mostly studios.

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And then there was an ENA signed to that effect.

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So then now there's a new project and kind of a third version now by the second version that we've been hearing with a different ENA.

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So what I wanted to know is was that ENA approved by the City Council and was the new version of this that we're hearing approved by the City Council?

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I don't really understand that.

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It seems like it's like that's not quite right.

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So also, you guys talked about 2700 square feet.

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I wrote down in my notes as being the event center, but I don't think that's right.

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So I wanted to know the square footage of the resource center and the square footage of

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the event center and the square footage of the offices.

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If it all together, 2700 square feet, I'm not really sure.

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So, those are the things I just don't understand and I would like to know.

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Is this a good place to stop and maybe you could start answering some of those questions?

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I think that's probably make sense.

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Okay, yeah, let's do that and then we'll get back to you.

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Now, some of those questions the applicant will have some good information on other ones I can answer.

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The project has always been for senior farm workers.

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There is no distinction and I'll let the applicant correct me if I'm wrong and whether they are currently working.

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farm workers or whether they're retired farm workers.

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So, but they are senior farm workers, people who have derived their income.

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That was the RFQ, the seniors, but it started out as retired before that anyway.

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Yeah, well I can, we're speaking of the project that's in front of the commission, so that's really all I can offer.

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The question, if what happens if the loan come tax credit is in jeopardy, that will be a question that

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mercy we'll have to answer because it's related to applications that they are filing.

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I think the third question was does the ENA impact the new project and I'm assuming

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by-

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No, did this council say yes?

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The council approved-

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Through the new ENA.

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There is a singular ENA that the council approved last year.

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It is-

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When last year?

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October I believe.

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Okay.

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I can look at the date for that.

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Okay.

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Okay, that's the only UNA.

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A singular UNA for this project.

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It's an exclusive negotiating agreement

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between the city and the applicant.

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Okay.

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It allows them to proceed with an application

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and processing a CDP for the site.

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Yeah, the last question I have is related

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to the square footage in the project.

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So there's a singular farm worker resource center

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that is 2,658 square feet, there is no event center, there's just a farm worker resource center, and then Mercy has management offices in the ground floor of the building, and I'm thinking those are in the neighborhood of 800 square feet.

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You're saying the resource center is the one with the kitchen?

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That's correct. The farm worker is like an event center resource center.

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It is a farm worker resource center, and that size is 2,658 square feet.

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And so, I'm kind of like we never really talked about what the resources are, I don't really understand.

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So 2700 square feet, I think this room is like 20.

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200 square feet. I know because I was going to, I'm trying to rent half of it. And so I actually know how big it is. I think this is 2200 square feet. So it's 500 square feet more than this one. I don't know how large this room is, but I do know how large the farm worker resource center is. 2700, 2658. Okay. Okay. Wow. Thank you. I want to hop in on that. I thought there was a community room on the second floor exclusively for the farm workers.

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how big is that room?

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That's on the second floor. Okay.

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I can look up the surface for that.

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And I want to also know if it has a kitchen.

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It does not.

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Okay.

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The RFQ that the proposal that was presented by Mercy on May 23, 2022, actually

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said 40 affordable units, senior farm worker housing,

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in 2050, square feet for space, for former Kerr resource center, and I'll ask a Latino

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Cultural Arts and Social Services program in Haplan Bay is dedicated to supporting youth

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and families.

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So I don't understand how the switch from supporting youth and families that's on the

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website to the switch to former Kerr resource center.

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So I just wanted to clear that up and figure out how the square footage is now increased

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from 2050 square foot to now 2650.

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So it's just a question, maybe somebody can answer that.

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And I'll have some others too, so maybe they'll stop there.

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would you like those answered now? Okay. The transition from the original proposal concept

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idea that was provided by Mercy and Alas when they responded to the RFQ was, is that?

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It was a proposal for, this is what we think the project is looking like. In since the initial

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proposal was made to today, there have been a numerous, a lot of community outreach, a lot

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of community meetings, they've heard from the farm workers what type of facility they

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would like to see, what type of resources would be helpful at this building, so much like

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the unit mix of the project has evolved as the community has provided input and as they've

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really gotten into the details of working out what this building looks like, the size of

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the farm worker resource center has also changed, evolving with the community needs.

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The applicant can provide more detail on that if they'd like to clarify anything I'm saying.

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So the resource center is not for the people who live there.

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It's for all farm workers.

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For all farm workers.

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It's a farm worker resource center, not just for the residents of the facilities.

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So I have a follow up question.

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So why is a kitchen needed?

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Why is a commercial kitchen needed for a center that's supporting farm workers?

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for, you know, resources and for the residents that already have kitchens.

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I'm not really sure why that would require commercial kitchen, is that why they're calling it an event center?

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They're not calling it an event center, they're calling it a farm worker resources center.

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And the commercial kitchen is something that the applicant can address.

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This is a again a facility that is for farmers in general throughout the community, as well as residents there.

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So to rely on someone's individual kitchen in their apartment would not be suitable for someone who doesn't live there.

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Okay, so okay, I think I was a little confused because the event center was used a lot in the last meeting.

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like people talked about the importance of the event center, and I thought at the time we would actually need a lot of time to talk, but at the time I thought,

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aren't we in an event center?

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Like, there's an event center right here.

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Like, do we need one over there?

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Like, I don't know.

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So, I'm asking.

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Like, why?

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So, I guess, maybe that's part of deliberations.

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Maybe that's not clarifying.

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No, no, no.

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I think the question is what I've heard is there's 2650, 2650 square feet of space for

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Alice's services that they provide, which is roughly half the size of this room.

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Is that, or what did you, you know, it's 500 square feet.

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And I was under the impression from our last hearing that most of the farm worker services are done in the field, not in the, in this office space.

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And so, and I guess, and I've heard mixed things of, well, there's 2,000 farm workers that we service.

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But are they, in fact, happening in the field or are they happening in this location?

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And the reason why it's important is it's part of the analysis that was done.

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Have we taken into account the fact that there are going to be 2,000 people coming, what's the frequency?

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And that really, the analysis hasn't really incorporated that into that level of traffic.

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And so just trying to understand what are we doing with this space, and how does it impact the broad

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thing?

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I mean, I get you've got 40 units of housing, you've got community space, you want to be able to host

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events there, that's part of the whole thing, and you want to be able to cook food for people.

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That's a normal function, I think, of any commercial project.

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Like that makes sense, and it's logical to me.

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It's just the amount of office space for programming that I've heard is most again to happen in the field.

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There's only going to be two people there, why do you need so much space?

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That's the question, if only two people are going to be in this office space.

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The applicant provided detail at the last public hearing on how the Farm Worker Resource Center is used, how it was planned, how it was programmed, and how it will function, but I'm sure they'd be happy to address that again.

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Could you tell me, again, the reason why a kitchen is needed?

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I didn't.

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I'm sorry, tell you why I was needed.

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I'm sorry.

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Maybe we said that the applicant, but I apologize.

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And before we jump to that, I just want to make sure we've had some evolution or some clarification

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in the conditions of approval for who gets this farm worker housing.

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So could you help us understand like what the current thinking is around, who would qualify

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and what mechanisms we're going to use to help ensure that local farm workers get the housing if that's even still possible.

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The condition is spelled out. It's exhibit A to the resolution. Is there a particular language you had a question about?

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I just would like you to walk us through the use case. I mean, one of us could read it, I suppose, but maybe you could just read the lottery system as an example that you were talking about in the conditions of approval.

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That was identified if there is a question with funding or some sort of restriction on

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more C's future funding that would prohibit any sort of selection of one type of tenant

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over another.

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It was just in offer to identify other ways that local farm workers could be insured

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forward to be a future tenants of the project, a lottery system, or they meet the thresholds that are identified in the condition?

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Let me restate that because it's a little confusing and tell me if I got it right.

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There's no guarantee that the farm worker housing will go to local farming and it's partially affected by the types of funding that Mercy gets.

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Mercy is working to put in place a preference system so

417
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So that they can try to get farm worker, local farm workers approved.

418
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:50,480
But that is difficult to do legally, and it may be constrained by types of funding.

419
00:43:51,040 --> 00:44:00,840
And one of the avenues you're using to address it is to come up with a lottery system that waits certain things like being a local, as part of the criteria.

420
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:02,480
Am I getting that right?

421
00:44:04,220 --> 00:44:07,060
I couldn't speak to him or see how they implement that.

422
00:44:07,060 --> 00:44:07,440
Great.

423
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:08,040
Thanks.

424
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,520
Either Ray McCann, or we can put a pin in this for.

425
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,320
I think this is one of the most important issues.

426
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:19,140
I think most of the people in the room are interested in is how are we?

427
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:24,220
I know it's not easy, but I want to make sure that we're being clear and how we're,

428
00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:26,840
the expectations we're setting on this project.

429
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,280
Okay, so I'm going to speak to the local farm market preference.

430
00:44:34,460 --> 00:44:37,800
So the local farm market preference is stated in conditions of approval.

431
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:44,900
that one resident must be a current or retired agricultural worker that lives or works within Half Moon Bay or San Mateo County.

432
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:50,460
Unless it's otherwise prohibited as by future or potential funding requirements.

433
00:44:51,060 --> 00:44:59,960
A staff has stated and we have supported that we will implement the local preference in specific areas.

434
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,320
We'll be done by the requirements from our funding sources and factual findings on fair housing that we still have to do, that still have to be done. Mercy does have experience implementing local preferences and other locations and have done so successfully in San Francisco, in Santa Cruz. And we are prepared to work with city staff on how to correctly implement those preferences given all of the requirements that we are under. Excellent. Thank you. And I really appreciate the new language.

435
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,920
in which it's been put in the conditions of approval, it's much more clear.

436
00:45:32,820 --> 00:45:38,780
Can I ask you, is there a limit on the number of people who stay in the, in these units?

437
00:45:39,940 --> 00:45:41,900
So you're asking about the occupancy restrictions?

438
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:43,760
Yes.

439
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:49,720
So the occupancy restrictions for two bedroom, sorry, occupancy, the occupancy restrictions.

440
00:45:49,980 --> 00:45:54,860
For the studios, it's two individuals, for a one bedroom, it's three individuals.

441
00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:57,560
And for a two bedroom, it's five individuals.

442
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:05,280
But the two bedroom would just be for the manager and for the assisted living.

443
00:46:06,060 --> 00:46:13,520
We are proposing, yes, in the updated proposal that there would be one unit for one of the two bedroom units would be designated for a manager.

444
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:20,880
And then one of the two bedroom units would be designated for a senior who would potentially need a caregiver in that second room bedroom.

445
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:26,500
But 32, one bedrooms, those are the-

446
00:46:26,500 --> 00:46:29,960
Who would have a potential occupancy of up to three individuals in each of the one bedrooms?

447
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:30,720
Typically-

448
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:32,320
So like 100 people in the-

449
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,840
Typically they are rented up to two individuals within a one bedroom.

450
00:46:35,900 --> 00:46:43,220
And so this idea about 30% don't own cars, we're not- we're not- we're not thinking that anymore, is that right?

451
00:46:45,290 --> 00:46:51,690
The population of that we have been targeting has not changed, it is still senior farm workers.

452
00:46:51,690 --> 00:47:01,030
So the designation and the statements that were provided about the use of farm worker of cars for that population remains the same.

453
00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:17,890
So even if you have one third more and they're younger because three people means two people and a kid, like that you are one person and two kids, it doesn't mean three seniors, does it?

454
00:47:17,890 --> 00:47:22,630
The head of household would still have to qualify as 55 years or older.

455
00:47:22,830 --> 00:47:31,530
I understand, so you have a head of household who's 55 years old, who has two kids, and they move in and they 30% of them don't own cars.

456
00:47:32,310 --> 00:47:32,770
Is that right?

457
00:47:33,830 --> 00:47:36,790
I can't say definitively what percentage of them would do?

458
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:46,610
So I think we could safely get rid of the 30% don't own cars thing, that's all, that doesn't seem like I'm not fighting it.

459
00:47:46,610 --> 00:47:49,810
But it's just like that seems kind of odd to say.

460
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:55,210
I think the point you're trying to make is there's no clear evidence tying the number of people

461
00:47:55,210 --> 00:47:57,730
who are living there to the estimate on the number of parking.

462
00:47:57,930 --> 00:48:03,390
There's a standard that's applied for senior housing and a slightly larger standard

463
00:48:03,390 --> 00:48:08,730
was a slightly larger number was used to estimate the parking impact, but you're trying

464
00:48:08,730 --> 00:48:13,890
to find some evidence of how we got to 0.74 or 0.85, I think that's where you're going.

465
00:48:13,890 --> 00:48:20,990
Oh, so no, I mean partly, it's the increase number of people, but it's also the increase number of people who have cars.

466
00:48:21,870 --> 00:48:31,390
So, in the original, it was all studios and it was two people per studio and I kind of just assumed that would be senior couples.

467
00:48:32,410 --> 00:48:39,010
And that seems okay, 30% don't own cars, I could buy it, I don't really believe it, but it's close.

468
00:48:39,010 --> 00:48:43,590
So, I mean, I could say, okay, but this seems really different.

469
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:51,890
So, I'm asking if you guys feel like this is different, or if you're just, like, doubling down on that little thing.

470
00:48:53,870 --> 00:49:05,370
So, specifically, the proposal of the updated unit mix that we are proposing, it doesn't increase or decrease the number of studios.

471
00:49:06,110 --> 00:49:09,330
So, I'm not sure what you were referencing about the original.

472
00:49:09,330 --> 00:49:12,350
So the original with studios is two people per studio.

473
00:49:12,910 --> 00:49:23,830
It's not that many people, it's 78 people, and those 78 people you would think are like couples because it's two people in a studio.

474
00:49:23,950 --> 00:49:30,850
The studios are small, so those couples you could buy the fact that those elderly couples 30% don't own cars.

475
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:36,070
That makes sense to me, but it doesn't make sense to have them all one bedrooms and

476
00:49:36,070 --> 00:49:42,390
to say well all those one bedroom people who live in those one bedrooms are also not

477
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:46,590
going to have cars because those are not that's not senior couples.

478
00:49:46,930 --> 00:49:49,770
I think I would look to city staff to answer the question on what was done for the parking

479
00:49:49,770 --> 00:49:50,310
study.

480
00:49:51,690 --> 00:49:57,710
If I could just help just a little bit I did some math here because I'm always worried about

481
00:49:57,710 --> 00:49:58,590
doing more from the phone.

482
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:31,230
Why, when I'm talking to people, but 32 units that are one bedroom, that's three, that's 96 units, or 96 people who could potentially live in a maximum occupancy situation. You have two bedroom apartments that could have five people each. That's another 10 people. And then you have six studios that each have

483
00:50:31,230 --> 00:50:33,230
of a maximum occupancy of two people.

484
00:50:33,390 --> 00:50:41,430
So we're talking about 118 people, at maximum and based on your experience as an operator

485
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:49,310
of affordable housing for seniors in this situation, with farm workers actually, your estimate,

486
00:50:50,130 --> 00:50:55,510
which I will take as a good faith estimate, is it's going to be about 85 to 95 people, something

487
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:56,530
in that ballpark would be living there.

488
00:50:56,530 --> 00:50:56,930
That's correct.

489
00:50:57,370 --> 00:50:57,590
Okay.

490
00:50:59,010 --> 00:50:59,670
Thank you.

491
00:51:01,110 --> 00:51:02,750
Through the chair.

492
00:51:03,230 --> 00:51:03,870
Yes.

493
00:51:04,210 --> 00:51:04,470
Go ahead.

494
00:51:04,530 --> 00:51:11,250
To real quick, to return for a moment to the question of prioritizing local residents.

495
00:51:11,570 --> 00:51:17,890
Thank you for the clarification, and I'm glad to hear that you have a positive experience making this happen.

496
00:51:18,270 --> 00:51:30,470
I just request going forward that you and staff think about a priority system that doesn't treat every San Mateo County resident equally.

497
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:35,070
Obviously, it's a big county and people close to Half Moon Bay on the coastside

498
00:51:35,070 --> 00:51:39,510
would make more sense for this project to be inclusive of them.

499
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,200
So I'd like to understand what the meaning of local means.

500
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:51,100
Is it city of Half Moon Bay boundaries for the farms related to the city of Half Moon Bay

501
00:51:51,100 --> 00:51:56,480
boundaries, or does local mean all the farms along the coastside in the San Mateo County?

502
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,240
I'm going to turn to City Stop to answer that.

503
00:52:00,610 --> 00:52:06,110
The way that the condition of approval is currently drafted, and this was one of the changes.

504
00:52:06,330 --> 00:52:12,370
The original condition of approval referred to the preference for workers in Half Moon Bay or the coast side.

505
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:15,810
And that was modified to Half Moon Bay or San Mateo County.

506
00:52:16,530 --> 00:52:19,270
So that's the way the condition is currently worded.

507
00:52:20,670 --> 00:52:30,270
So the definition of local is both San Mateo County coast side and city of Half Moon Bay.

508
00:52:30,270 --> 00:52:34,890
Okay. Coast side is no longer in the proposed condition of a criminal, it's just the city and the county.

509
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:42,950
So it can be farms or anybody lives over the hill as well.

510
00:52:43,710 --> 00:52:45,090
That's how it's currently defined.

511
00:52:45,870 --> 00:52:51,130
Could we, is it possible to use specific zip codes and

512
00:52:51,130 --> 00:52:59,890
have a weighted system like 9401994021 as the system of preference and

513
00:52:59,890 --> 00:53:06,030
and have increasing preference for the three zip codes that immediately surround half moon bay.

514
00:53:06,430 --> 00:53:07,970
Is that something we can do?

515
00:53:09,490 --> 00:53:11,290
Looks like the applicant has a thought on that.

516
00:53:11,330 --> 00:53:14,970
If I may answer, I think that's definitely possible for us to evaluate.

517
00:53:15,410 --> 00:53:20,990
And if you, I think we have now two commissioners or three commissioners asking us to look at that,

518
00:53:21,170 --> 00:53:22,510
we would be happy to look at that.

519
00:53:23,590 --> 00:53:26,470
Again, we want to make sure that we're complying with fair housing.

520
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:36,990
So, that's why I can't make a definitive statement to yes, but we can certainly look at that because we do have experience in other localities where we have some sort of radius defined.

521
00:53:37,350 --> 00:53:37,510
Great.

522
00:53:38,170 --> 00:53:38,470
Thank you.

523
00:53:38,930 --> 00:53:40,270
I have another question.

524
00:53:40,510 --> 00:53:47,370
So, can you put a local preference based on percentages of the total population of the total units?

525
00:53:47,370 --> 00:53:54,330
But I know this is something in Napa County has been done for farm workers, not senior

526
00:53:54,330 --> 00:53:55,010
farm workers.

527
00:53:55,770 --> 00:54:00,610
And there was some evaluation that was done there that they could use a percentage of

528
00:54:00,940 --> 00:54:05,810
a local preference for farm workers in a certain location.

529
00:54:05,810 --> 00:54:10,350
So I'm wondering if you can just look into that and figure out whether you could have a percentage

530
00:54:10,350 --> 00:54:12,690
is based on local preference beaming.

531
00:54:13,250 --> 00:54:19,750
Half Moon Bay first, and the jurisdiction forms that are surrounding half Moon Bay adjacent.

532
00:54:20,210 --> 00:54:21,550
Okay. Yeah, we can look into that.

533
00:54:23,830 --> 00:54:40,770
Yes, and I also want to note that the local preference would be included in the city's regulatory agreement that would then be recorded on the property, and the city would be able to include outlines of the agreement that we determine for how the tenant and marketing selection and process would work in further detail.

534
00:54:40,770 --> 00:54:53,030
And when you mean the regulatory agreement, you mean the disposition, development lease agreement, or is there some other regulatory agreement that we would have with the city?

535
00:54:54,550 --> 00:54:58,110
Could you, that's the need to be, can you explain please?

536
00:54:58,110 --> 00:54:58,270
Please.

537
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:06,560
I think you are referring to the DDLA, which is the development disposition and loan agreement. There

538
00:55:14,620 --> 00:55:28,140
were other questions that were asked. Do you want us to try to address some of those? Do you have more questions? Do you want me to restate them, or can you, did you take that?

539
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,180
I think we answered your question about occupancy.

540
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,280
Would it be helpful to provide

541
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:58,500
We provide a visual of the square footage of the different spaces in the building so that you can visually see what the difference between the Farm Worker Resource Center, the offices are.

542
00:55:59,120 --> 00:55:59,680
And-

543
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:00,740
Sure, post that.

544
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:01,240
That would be fine.

545
00:56:01,620 --> 00:56:01,940
Can I help?

546
00:56:03,340 --> 00:56:04,580
So, do you have our slide?

547
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:05,100
About

548
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,080
20, then we can go over the spatial.

549
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:48,740
Yeah, great.

550
00:56:48,900 --> 00:56:49,400
We can start there.

551
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,800
See, this one looks like it's 2,800 square feet,

552
00:56:56,980 --> 00:56:58,780
650 and not 2050.

553
00:56:59,780 --> 00:57:07,300
Yeah, I think there's a distinction when you measure from outside wall to outside wall versus inside.

554
00:57:09,540 --> 00:57:13,140
You're saying that's 150 square feet difference?

555
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:23,460
I'm saying the plans that were provided have an interior dimension for the Farm Worker Resource Center of 2,658 square feet.

556
00:57:23,460 --> 00:57:24,080
So

557
00:57:26,130 --> 00:57:27,770
why does this one have 2,800?

558
00:57:29,390 --> 00:57:34,070
Because it's this is Rick Williams with fan meter Williams public architects, there's net

559
00:57:34,070 --> 00:57:39,910
in gross and so when you take into effect all the walls perimeter of the building and

560
00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:46,410
and the perimeter walls you get a little bit larger number when you deduct all of it and

561
00:57:46,410 --> 00:57:51,570
you're doing net for what you refer to as occupancy, then you get a smaller number.

562
00:57:51,570 --> 00:58:00,110
But when you ask how many square feet are in a building, I got a we account for all of the building and thank you very much.

563
00:58:00,350 --> 00:58:08,590
So what you're seeing up there is a series of offices for the Farm Worker Resource Center and

564
00:58:09,730 --> 00:58:15,670
those offices are for people that work some in the office at all times and some of them go out into the field.

565
00:58:16,290 --> 00:58:19,270
And most of the practices happening out in the field.

566
00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:26,830
We do have a multi-purpose room with storage and they occasionally will have, and it's not

567
00:58:26,830 --> 00:58:31,210
an event like a party or something, but it's more of, they'll have a group of farmers

568
00:58:31,210 --> 00:58:34,410
come in and they'll have an education class or something such as that.

569
00:58:35,090 --> 00:58:42,370
And so that's a actually fairly small room, you know, it's like 15 by 20, 25.

570
00:58:42,370 --> 00:58:49,610
And then also they do, they have a kitchen there not just to support the

571
00:58:49,610 --> 00:58:57,670
multi-purpose but they can actually provide food that has to be done in a

572
00:58:57,670 --> 00:59:02,610
commercial kitchen and they can bring that out to various farm workers or

573
00:59:02,610 --> 00:59:09,850
locations. So this is the center, the resource center and but much of the activity

574
00:59:09,850 --> 00:59:17,010
an interface with the farm workers is not here but is out at the various farms in the surrounding

575
00:59:17,010 --> 00:59:17,650
community.

576
00:59:18,030 --> 00:59:25,150
So the, oh sorry, but it looks like, so the offices are about 1300 square feet and the kitchen

577
00:59:25,150 --> 00:59:29,350
and multipurpose room, which is the event center from the last previous meeting.

578
00:59:30,750 --> 00:59:34,010
That's about 1300, right, it's roughly half.

579
00:59:34,010 --> 00:59:40,730
It's an on event center, it is a resource center, and then there's the residential management

580
00:59:40,730 --> 00:59:45,970
offices, and that is for the housing, and that is Mercy's Management Facility.

581
00:59:46,670 --> 00:59:53,770
And that is for when they do leasing, individual leases and stuff, and they also have to maintain

582
00:59:53,770 --> 00:59:59,970
because of all of the annual re-

583
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:16,620
The certifications, et cetera, they have a lot of paperwork on site that they have to keep on site for every resident. And so they have a lot of both office space and storage space. And it's so it's a small office and they occasionally have service providers that come in there as well.

584
01:00:19,060 --> 01:00:31,300
Yeah, if you can go to the next floor. Next slide. So, so back one second, because that's for the residents. That blue is for the residential portion of the building.

585
01:00:31,300 --> 01:00:48,440
So back on this, the offices for al-As, you're seeing that so these are like nine or ten offices for al-As, and then the other half of this is this kitchen and multi-purpose room so they can have meetings.

586
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,120
Okay. Multiple offices, storage space,

587
01:00:54,450 --> 01:01:01,890
kitchen area, they have, you know, copies and things like that and storage for paperwork because they also have case management.

588
01:01:01,890 --> 01:01:03,290
that they have to maintain.

589
01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:10,510
So in the first version, the one that was 600 square feet small

590
01:01:10,510 --> 01:01:14,330
or was the kitchen multi-purpose room the same size

591
01:01:14,330 --> 01:01:17,330
or did the offices just get bigger?

592
01:01:20,590 --> 01:01:22,590
I think proportionally it was the same.

593
01:01:22,830 --> 01:01:25,350
So it just, it was slightly larger.

594
01:01:25,850 --> 01:01:29,450
Okay, remember this also includes walls and things like that

595
01:01:29,450 --> 01:01:31,370
versus a net number.

596
01:01:31,370 --> 01:01:36,290
So, when we do a net number and you take out all the walls, the space becomes smaller.

597
01:01:37,030 --> 01:01:38,890
I know it's not 2800, right?

598
01:01:39,450 --> 01:01:41,530
No, it's 2650, I got the new one.

599
01:01:42,750 --> 01:01:49,870
And then the residential management offices is for mercy and mercy staff and it's separate and

600
01:01:49,870 --> 01:01:58,230
it supports the entire building but it also supports the residents above and now we can go to the next line.

601
01:01:58,230 --> 01:01:59,110
Yeah, thank you.

602
01:02:00,210 --> 01:02:07,290
So on this slide on the second floor, in the courtyard level, there's a courtyard for the residents.

603
01:02:08,330 --> 01:02:13,090
And there can be agreements where occasionally alas might be able to use it on occasion.

604
01:02:13,090 --> 01:02:18,130
But generally speaking, it's a residential courtyard open space on the second floor.

605
01:02:18,590 --> 01:02:22,210
There's a laundry room which is for the residents.

606
01:02:22,210 --> 01:02:29,670
So, they have a laundry facility that has washers and dryers, et cetera, there that connects

607
01:02:29,670 --> 01:02:37,110
to the courtyard and then a community room, again, this community room is so they can

608
01:02:37,110 --> 01:02:38,450
have meetings for all the residents.

609
01:02:38,970 --> 01:02:44,590
They can also have the residents can have the birthday party there or something like that.

610
01:02:45,310 --> 01:02:50,990
And they have a small, typically residential kitchen, not a commercial kitchen, that they

611
01:02:50,990 --> 01:02:55,950
You can warm things up and keep drinks cool, but it's not a big production kitchen.

612
01:02:56,130 --> 01:03:00,370
It's just like a residential kitchen and actually usually a little bit smaller.

613
01:03:01,150 --> 01:03:06,930
And then they have a storage space so they can put the tables and chairs and storage

614
01:03:06,930 --> 01:03:12,110
at times and bring them out, et cetera, but that is really of the residential space.

615
01:03:12,310 --> 01:03:13,970
It's not an all-out space.

616
01:03:14,170 --> 01:03:18,550
That is specifically, that's also a mandated space for tax credit criteria.

617
01:03:18,550 --> 01:03:21,050
So that is a required space.

618
01:03:21,530 --> 01:03:26,690
But if the loss is going to use the courtyard, how can you keep them out of the?

619
01:03:28,330 --> 01:03:33,190
I think it was just that if, for some reason, there was a case management situation

620
01:03:33,730 --> 01:03:38,090
where they were helping assist with services in the building, they would have access

621
01:03:38,090 --> 01:03:39,170
to some of these as well.

622
01:03:39,330 --> 01:03:43,370
But it would really be on a case-by-case basis if they were helping with specific services.

623
01:03:43,370 --> 01:03:50,410
So this might be a joint event by request, if there was something happening on the commute in the, on the bottom of the table.

624
01:03:50,410 --> 01:04:11,990
Yeah, if there was a, it wouldn't be really for out of that, it would be more so if there was a meeting or something that maybe it was suitable to have in an outdoor space with a small group of people that all of us was helping to provide some of those services for as we, as we had talked about last meeting there, we, we are working with all of us.

625
01:04:11,990 --> 01:04:16,230
So Mercy is the lead service provider for the services and the property management of the building,

626
01:04:16,450 --> 01:04:18,850
but all of us is providing a portion of those services.

627
01:04:19,330 --> 01:04:22,110
So there would be an opportunity, and all of us, I might say, all of us.

628
01:04:22,330 --> 01:04:29,290
Their staff would be coming into the building to help perform certain case management or services to our residents,

629
01:04:29,730 --> 01:04:33,490
in which case they would have their staff would have access to some of these spaces.

630
01:04:34,130 --> 01:04:38,770
That's the majority of the uses of the formal resource center, and

631
01:04:38,770 --> 01:04:41,390
what all of us does in their programming would be done on the ground floor.

632
01:04:41,390 --> 01:04:45,510
And I would like to bring them up to clarify what that use of the resource center is.

633
01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:49,870
And there were some questions about what they do as an organization,

634
01:04:50,290 --> 01:04:54,670
or I believe you had mentioned family and services for us what we are doing in the form of a person.

635
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:56,070
And I think that would provide some.

636
01:04:56,090 --> 01:04:59,970
But before we switch gears, can we just go.

637
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:09,740
I'm wrapping my head around the idea that there are, there's a tenant in the building, who has limited access to this deck.

638
01:05:11,420 --> 01:05:25,020
This deck would be primarily for, if all of us is using it, it would be for service, primarily for services, for folks who live in the building.

639
01:05:25,020 --> 01:05:29,480
Right, so they would have, we would enter into a separate services agreement.

640
01:05:29,780 --> 01:05:34,860
So they will be operating within the building in two capacities, as a tenant of the ground floor.

641
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:42,060
And then also as a service provider for the residential care of the units of the residents in the building.

642
01:05:42,420 --> 01:05:45,700
Those would be explicitly two different contracts.

643
01:05:46,220 --> 01:05:54,340
But the use of that space is consistent on us having a co-location of those services and

644
01:05:54,340 --> 01:05:56,120
our staffing plan that they are in the building.

645
01:05:56,860 --> 01:06:08,390
But you're going to have a delineated or a distinction, clear distinction, like this is the housing space, this isn't got it understood.

646
01:06:09,870 --> 01:06:11,370
Okay, that's super helpful.

647
01:06:12,050 --> 01:06:20,850
The commercial kitchen downstairs, is that something where you could use it to host an event if you wanted to, but you'd have to request all of this permission to use their kitchen?

648
01:06:22,030 --> 01:06:32,390
By us, do you mean mercy, yes, we would request to use their services as they are a tenant of the building and would have to coordinate that use with them.

649
01:06:32,990 --> 01:06:33,650
Okay, great.

650
01:06:34,870 --> 01:06:42,710
I have a clarifying question about the kitchen use and the commercial kitchen.

651
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:50,670
So where is, and maybe this is a question for all us, where's food preparation taking place today for the farm workers?

652
01:06:50,670 --> 01:06:51,930
that you prepare food for.

653
01:06:51,930 --> 01:06:53,370
I'd like to bring them up and they can answer your questions.

654
01:06:57,960 --> 01:06:59,080
Thank you for your question.

655
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:00,340
My name is Kike Basan.

656
01:07:00,500 --> 01:07:01,340
I work for Alas.

657
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:08,800
Just very quickly, what we are planning on doing with the resource center is the services,

658
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:15,780
as mental health, formation, cultural arts, crisis support, and health care referrals.

659
01:07:16,660 --> 01:07:22,660
And just to put as an example, when the flooding happened over a year ago, when the shooting happened,

660
01:07:22,660 --> 01:07:25,100
And a lot of families were displaced from their homes

661
01:07:25,100 --> 01:07:26,420
and ended up in hotels.

662
01:07:27,180 --> 01:07:30,160
They don't have kitchens, so we have to improvise a kitchen

663
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:34,880
in our garage to cook meals and send them breakfast,

664
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:35,800
lunch, and dinner.

665
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:40,600
And we have volunteers organizing, organizing the kitchen.

666
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:43,940
We've helped us for that in moments of crisis

667
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:46,380
to respond to the needs of the community

668
01:07:46,380 --> 01:07:50,260
that cannot afford going to a restaurant to have a meal.

669
01:07:50,260 --> 01:07:56,000
The other thing is the formation, we have a lot of families that cook very well.

670
01:07:56,780 --> 01:08:04,280
And we want to teach the classic, custom, classic meals that people bring from their own

671
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:09,160
countries or from their own cultures to teach other members of the community.

672
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:14,320
So it's a formation, the kitchen is mainly for formation and crisis support.

673
01:08:23,130 --> 01:08:28,170
And also, there was a question about the, I think, the office space.

674
01:08:29,070 --> 01:08:36,930
So why this big space for just two people, we do have, we try to create community, bring

675
01:08:36,930 --> 01:08:37,610
people together.

676
01:08:37,830 --> 01:08:43,350
And we do have different groups of men, farm workers, woman farm workers, and we bring

677
01:08:43,350 --> 01:08:46,770
in the 10, 15 at a time, and we do different trainings,

678
01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:52,650
including ESL classes, also how to deal with problems,

679
01:08:53,190 --> 01:08:56,790
how to deal with issues that they have among each other,

680
01:08:57,390 --> 01:08:59,670
the private offices because of the mental health

681
01:08:59,670 --> 01:09:01,790
and issues that happen with each of them.

682
01:09:01,970 --> 01:09:05,090
We do not, that privacy, and we do have partners

683
01:09:05,090 --> 01:09:08,390
also from the county that come and need our spaces

684
01:09:08,770 --> 01:09:12,850
to provide health insurance for the people that we serve.

685
01:09:13,550 --> 01:09:23,510
And they need privacy, right now what they do, they use different spaces that are not private and when people have to talk about their medical issues or things is not ideal.

686
01:09:26,340 --> 01:09:30,160
I think really important to share that Alice is really rooted in mental health.

687
01:09:30,820 --> 01:09:36,480
So we need private spaces for mental health, but we also very concerned about our seniors with medical.

688
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:40,520
So when we've gone out into the fields, that's one of the biggest issues that we've seen.

689
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:46,080
I mean, they have not had medical services and

690
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:56,280
insurance is a big thing but we're really lucky and excited because in this space we're going to be bringing community partners that can come and bring these services.

691
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:57,340
So this is...

692
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:29,300
This resource center is not just about alas, it's about community partnerships, it's about county services, it's about medical services, and it's about really creating and embedding a strong wellness component for those that live there for sure. The kitchen, when you think about what brings community, what brings them to the table to eat, like we envision that the residents can come and have meals. When you think about healthy, nutritious meals,

693
01:10:29,300 --> 01:10:32,400
for our seniors, we know at other senior centers,

694
01:10:32,740 --> 01:10:33,900
they do meals every day.

695
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:35,840
We imagine that for them too.

696
01:10:36,020 --> 01:10:37,920
Being able to do meals, have them come down,

697
01:10:38,380 --> 01:10:40,080
have them engage in lunch and dinners.

698
01:10:40,620 --> 01:10:42,480
So it's about building community.

699
01:10:42,980 --> 01:10:44,480
We don't want this center to be

700
01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:46,540
that they're isolated in their rooms.

701
01:10:47,340 --> 01:10:49,640
This Farmarker Research Center is about

702
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:53,560
having them come down and have participation and be active.

703
01:10:54,100 --> 01:10:57,700
Using computers, we started a recent computer technology class

704
01:10:57,700 --> 01:11:01,980
And folks that are seniors are participating, and they're saying we want to learn more.

705
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,540
We want them to have nutritious meals, we want them to have mental health.

706
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:14,640
And a really beautiful example of one of the recent projects that Alas that we want to duplicate here at the center is a project called Corazones de Oro.

707
01:11:15,060 --> 01:11:17,200
It's run by one of our leaders, Cessi.

708
01:11:17,660 --> 01:11:20,560
We started with five seniors, let the new seniors coming.

709
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:24,560
We have 30 and each time we're adding more.

710
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:34,600
And what we do with them is arts, we do singing, we do food, we do community, we do storytelling, we do exercise.

711
01:11:35,260 --> 01:11:37,560
So this is a dream of the Farmarker Center.

712
01:11:37,860 --> 01:11:42,360
It's not to just be an office site where people give a resource.

713
01:11:42,620 --> 01:11:45,680
It's to create a healthy model for those that live there.

714
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:52,680
I think that's a fantastic mission and I really applaud the work that Alistair does.

715
01:11:52,680 --> 01:12:01,120
And I want to make sure that you understand that the questions we're asking are not about the importance of these services.

716
01:12:01,660 --> 01:12:04,640
We're trying to understand the land use, that's where we're going.

717
01:12:06,020 --> 01:12:11,200
If you accomplish this mission, how busy do you expect these offices to be?

718
01:12:11,700 --> 01:12:18,120
Is it like, are you going to have these be 50% occupancy during the course of the day?

719
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:47,060
or you're going to be like helping me understand because I've heard different things and we're trying to understand the utilization of the space and it sounds like look, it's an important mission, but if the mission is 13 rooms, we're going to be operating a soup kitchen seven days a week, you haven't said that I'm making a statement I'm just drawing the conclusion from what I've heard you're providing meals for people who aren't just the 40 people here, but people who

720
01:12:47,060 --> 01:12:50,800
would love some of the delicious cooking that Alice provides.

721
01:12:52,300 --> 01:12:54,820
Like, help me understand the utilization of this space.

722
01:12:54,980 --> 01:12:56,040
What's going to be happening here?

723
01:12:56,500 --> 01:12:59,840
So, again, our primary work is going out into the field.

724
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,120
Rick, we have the bus that we brought today.

725
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:03,100
People can see it.

726
01:13:03,420 --> 01:13:04,940
We go out into the community.

727
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:06,540
We're going out into the farms.

728
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:11,300
Our vision of this center will be primarily to work with those that are there.

729
01:13:11,900 --> 01:13:15,280
If you think about our seniors and our senior farm workers

730
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:18,180
and the hundred and something people that live there.

731
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:20,400
When I talk about meals and lunches,

732
01:13:20,500 --> 01:13:22,120
I'm talking about primarily them.

733
01:13:22,780 --> 01:13:27,060
There could be some off special meals in other scenarios,

734
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:28,460
but we're talking about right now,

735
01:13:28,540 --> 01:13:31,060
what I was saying was primarily for the people there.

736
01:13:32,140 --> 01:13:34,180
We're here to use all our creativity

737
01:13:34,180 --> 01:13:36,740
to take the work out into the farms

738
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:39,060
because this is what we're saying.

739
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:42,460
Farm workers do not get to go out after work

740
01:13:42,860 --> 01:13:44,720
to other centers in many ways

741
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:52,240
because they're exhausted, when the services come to them, where they live, so again, out in

742
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:55,280
the fields for those that are there, it makes a difference.

743
01:13:55,800 --> 01:14:01,760
We take medical out right now, we do education services with them right now, out in the fields.

744
01:14:02,220 --> 01:14:09,300
We take food out to the fields, we take veggies, we sweatshirts, supplies, resources, mental

745
01:14:09,300 --> 01:14:12,240
health is going out into the fields by all of us.

746
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:13,700
So that's going to continue.

747
01:14:14,500 --> 01:14:19,960
This center is to also honor the farm workers

748
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:21,440
that will be living on this site.

749
01:14:22,440 --> 01:14:25,080
The senior farm workers that need a lot of services.

750
01:14:25,660 --> 01:14:29,660
And let me just say, have not received services in many years

751
01:14:30,440 --> 01:14:33,660
for wellness and mental health, and they've been isolated.

752
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:36,140
That's why we're creating this center.

753
01:14:37,260 --> 01:14:40,680
We are also learning what works, and we

754
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:48,520
We want to be good tenants, so we're not trying to think about how we're going to have tons of events there with tons of parking issues.

755
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:59,760
We want to be mindful of what you all are saying and suggesting and think about how we're going to creatively continue to use a space without impeding on the community.

756
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:29,540
Impeding on space, but rather, you know, make opportunities to thrive with our farmer and community. Can I ask you a question? So you don't need to convince me. So I guess I'm trying to understand. So when I look at this, what I see is that the residents have a kitchen and have a community center that's theirs. For the 80 to 90 people who are there, maybe more.

757
01:15:29,540 --> 01:15:35,240
But for the 80, 200 and something people who are there, they have their their

758
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:39,600
kitchens in their own rooms, but they also have a community center for themselves

759
01:15:40,620 --> 01:15:41,520
with a kitchen.

760
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:46,140
And then the down the other part is an alas part.

761
01:15:46,620 --> 01:15:49,900
So this all the stuff downstairs is for alas.

762
01:15:50,100 --> 01:15:52,420
And that's for all the services the stuff downstairs.

763
01:15:53,060 --> 01:15:53,460
What's that?

764
01:15:53,540 --> 01:15:54,880
A portion of the stuff downstairs.

765
01:15:56,300 --> 01:15:58,000
It has also mercies.

766
01:15:58,300 --> 01:15:58,640
Right.

767
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,780
So not counting the operational part.

768
01:16:02,220 --> 01:16:18,300
We're talking about the resource center that you're talking about with the offices, with nine cubicles, and the conference room, and the industrial kitchen, the commercial kitchen, all of those things are for alas.

769
01:16:18,740 --> 01:16:21,960
They're not for the seniors who live there, they're for alas.

770
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:32,900
And there may be some outreach to the, like I get that most of your work is done, boots on the ground out there in the community.

771
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:42,600
And so, and there's some preparation here to do that, but it's really a loss offices within a loss kitchen.

772
01:16:43,580 --> 01:16:49,240
The other sort of thing that I'm wondering about is to keep talking about mental health and medical.

773
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:58,560
And that's great for out in the fields, that's one that's so wonderful.

774
01:16:59,260 --> 01:17:06,020
But here, you're across this parking lot from a county health clinic,

775
01:17:06,540 --> 01:17:10,240
like you can get medical, mental health, you can get everything there.

776
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,800
So, isn't that a duplication of services?

777
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:15,700
Okay, so great question.

778
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:21,960
So county medical here in San Mateo County, they only take high acuity clients.

779
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:24,120
So what does that mean?

780
01:17:24,380 --> 01:17:31,540
It means that you have a higher diagnosis, higher risk, and pretty much a higher need.

781
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:36,700
So low to moderate to medium mental health, that's done by alas.

782
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:42,160
We're the only free mental health clinic in the community, aside from the county who is our

783
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:58,680
partner and who actually gives us funding to do this work and the reason why they give us funding is because they know that we're able to access these clients and they don't have the high psychiatric needs that they have the criteria for the San Mateo County mental clinic.

784
01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:08,620
So they do not pretty much these tenants would not qualify for their mental health services.

785
01:18:08,620 --> 01:18:11,800
They qualify for OLA's.

786
01:18:11,860 --> 01:18:13,840
For their medical services, that's where we were talking about.

787
01:18:14,460 --> 01:18:15,260
For their medical services.

788
01:18:15,260 --> 01:18:15,680
For the medical services.

789
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,200
Yeah, we said mental health, so I'm addressing mental health first.

790
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:21,660
For medical, we do see that there's a long weight.

791
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:24,840
So sometimes it's more than 4 months.

792
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:30,680
So the great news is that we have community partners that come out and do like blood pressure

793
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:36,600
checks, they do lower level kind of assessment for health while they're waiting to get their

794
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:36,980
medical.

795
01:18:36,980 --> 01:18:46,020
So, you know, there's a big weight list at our county clinics and that's a known fact and it's not that they're not trying, it's just that the demand, right?

796
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:54,440
So, we have blood pressure checks, we do diabetic education, we do, you know, just kind of an overall, how are they doing?

797
01:18:54,440 --> 01:19:09,380
So, for example, we have what we call the street and field medicine team coming out from the county, and they come out to Alas and try to meet with the farm workers to do triage and assess and make sure that they're getting care.

798
01:19:09,900 --> 01:19:20,180
So, there's a lot of resources that go into caring for the farm workers and I would like to clarify that this resource center is for the tenants that are there.

799
01:19:20,180 --> 01:19:31,480
The center is to provide much needed resources and take them out of isolation and really try to care for their health and their wellness.

800
01:19:32,580 --> 01:19:40,580
So, the second floor, what we understand very clearly, is home for the tenants, the second third and above.

801
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:44,140
That's their safe space, that's their community.

802
01:19:44,140 --> 01:19:53,560
We, as case managers and maybe crisis responders, may be at times called to go in and support

803
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:59,340
a tenant in crisis with the partnership with Mercy, but the

804
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:29,920
That is separate. We're not having access to going up and down in and out all the residential area. Our area is the first floor, which is dedicated for the senior fine workers as a priority. I wish I could go through the list of each senior that I work with and kind of explain all the services that they need. It's not just about checking on them. It's about creating a community space.

805
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:31,840
No, we appreciate that.

806
01:20:32,180 --> 01:20:37,220
Where does the mental health and medical health services you provide, start and stop?

807
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:39,380
And where does the work that Mercy provides stop?

808
01:20:39,700 --> 01:20:44,820
Because you also, Mercy also provides these services to the residents of the building.

809
01:20:44,820 --> 01:20:49,060
In fact, it's a core, it's my understanding that you provide those types of wraparound services.

810
01:20:51,170 --> 01:20:58,150
Because there's a lot of office space in this building dedicated to the services that Mercy provides to the residents who live there.

811
01:20:58,150 --> 01:21:03,490
So, excuse me, I wasn't prepared to speak.

812
01:21:04,690 --> 01:21:08,630
We have in many of our properties co-location

813
01:21:08,630 --> 01:21:11,550
with a service provider, and you are correct.

814
01:21:11,950 --> 01:21:14,290
But our services program is focused

815
01:21:14,290 --> 01:21:19,070
on connecting our residents with the services

816
01:21:19,070 --> 01:21:22,170
in the community, so we are not duplicating,

817
01:21:22,290 --> 01:21:24,490
because that is just a waste of money, right?

818
01:21:24,950 --> 01:21:28,970
So we have a resident services coordinator,

819
01:21:28,970 --> 01:21:51,950
or whatever our title is today, for that person who's responsible to check in with residents to see what the needs are, to do the needs assessment, and then plug them in especially, for example, in Half Moon Bay, where there are many resources, not just all us, where there are many resources so that they can connect them.

820
01:21:51,950 --> 01:21:59,870
Many, many low income seniors particularly aren't that aware of what's available in the community.

821
01:22:00,490 --> 01:22:02,670
Many of us are more adept at that.

822
01:22:03,370 --> 01:22:09,870
And what we find is in our populations, just the help to, here's the resources you could look to.

823
01:22:10,170 --> 01:22:17,330
Here are the connections you can find, and then to have them downstairs would be a bit of a dream, and so we're excited about that.

824
01:22:17,330 --> 01:22:19,470
But does that answer your question?

825
01:22:19,930 --> 01:22:29,250
So our resident services person's job is to connect people to the resources in the community, not to provide those resources.

826
01:22:29,590 --> 01:22:32,630
We don't do case management in this property, and some we do.

827
01:22:33,090 --> 01:22:34,410
We don't do, I'm sorry.

828
01:22:34,610 --> 01:22:40,630
I know this is super helpful, so, and I apologize if I'm coming across as a cross-examination here.

829
01:22:40,630 --> 01:22:41,450
We're not clarifying.

830
01:22:41,910 --> 01:22:43,330
We're trying to, we're trying to, we're trying to,

831
01:22:43,330 --> 01:22:47,110
lots of people are asking questions, why is there so much office space here?

832
01:22:47,230 --> 01:22:50,970
And so it's just, we're trying to understand what is, how is this being used?

833
01:22:50,970 --> 01:22:57,310
Because if I look at the set aside what you've deemed necessary to manage the building,

834
01:22:57,930 --> 01:22:59,310
no question about that.

835
01:22:59,490 --> 01:23:02,410
That's the standard, you guys do it everywhere, that makes sense, it's logical.

836
01:23:02,870 --> 01:23:06,790
I look at the diagram of the building, and there's parking.

837
01:23:07,250 --> 01:23:12,010
And there are three sets of office spaces on the first floor for the pharmacy side.

838
01:23:12,350 --> 01:23:16,990
Yeah, so there's a mercy, and I'm trying to understand how much of that is maintenance

839
01:23:18,250 --> 01:23:22,010
and how much of that is actually just office space for other stuff because it looks

840
01:23:22,010 --> 01:23:25,650
like that brown segment was a big chunk of office space.

841
01:23:25,670 --> 01:23:28,510
Help me understand what that is and what's going on there.

842
01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:32,170
We could, I'll let somebody get more specific.

843
01:23:32,290 --> 01:23:35,130
Maybe we could have them pull up the plan, it would be helpful.

844
01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:41,890
And it's just, what is this, please, help us, and how's it going to be?

845
01:23:42,090 --> 01:23:47,650
Okay, so we have the Resonant Management Office that's what we hear from you, can you see it?

846
01:23:48,270 --> 01:23:53,990
Okay, so the Resonant Management Office is, and I'm going to try to read these from here.

847
01:23:54,350 --> 01:24:00,010
We have two office spaces and then a conference room and then a copy room, and then it looks like a user room.

848
01:24:00,010 --> 01:24:09,990
So those are our MERSC staff offices, our on-site management offices, and where Amy was just

849
01:24:09,990 --> 01:24:18,490
explaining that the services on-site coordinator, that is a MERSC employee, they would be home

850
01:24:18,490 --> 01:24:21,250
in those houses and those residential management offices.

851
01:24:22,650 --> 01:24:25,550
The brown space, sorry,

852
01:24:36,340 --> 01:24:39,960
where it says residential management offices, you have, where the cursor

853
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:44,120
is right now next to the elevator, so these are the spaces that you need to manage the building.

854
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:45,260
Yes.

855
01:24:45,740 --> 01:24:51,940
Okay, and this stuff, the white space over here is where Alice is going to do their program work.

856
01:24:52,540 --> 01:24:57,380
What is this big blue chunk of space over here on the light blue chunk of space?

857
01:24:59,660 --> 01:24:59,900
and that.

858
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:15,760
That's utilities, but that's all the trash. And so there's, is there an office space? Somebody's doing the wraparound services. This person who works for mercies in this late gray space. It's in the gray residential management offices. Yes. Got it. Okay. Thank you.

859
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:23,360
The mercy person is not doing wraparound services. Okay.

860
01:25:28,580 --> 01:25:34,120
I'm sure some people would, but it's a function of my particular ADHD where I use the wrong word sometimes.

861
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:37,220
Okay, I think Commissioner Joannis has some questions.

862
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:45,620
Yes, this is going back to the meals and the preparation of the meals in the kitchen.

863
01:25:47,740 --> 01:25:57,560
So, is the plan to have prepared meals available, three meals a day available to the residents in that area?

864
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:26,700
area because you did mention daily, so when I think of daily and I think of meal preparations daily, it's for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and it's just to clarify what you've meant, and you also mentioned that that kitchen is to service the residents that are living there to come down for their daily meals for, and so I was just wondering, I've been to many senior centers.

865
01:26:26,700 --> 01:26:32,840
And they do have this daily meal service, and they have several ways of offering it.

866
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:39,980
And they have a commercial kitchen, and then they also have professional food,

867
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:44,700
preparing service, a preparers that come in, they contract out for that service.

868
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:49,420
And they have health permits, so I was just trying to grasp like, what does this mean?

869
01:26:49,500 --> 01:26:55,000
Is this not to that level, or is it lesser than that level, what does that mean?

870
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:58,840
I'm going to clarify one thing, and then let's go into speak to the kitchen use.

871
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:03,200
The 40 units are still classified as independent living.

872
01:27:03,780 --> 01:27:10,700
So it is not assisted living, it is not integrated assistance into those units as an assisted

873
01:27:10,700 --> 01:27:14,560
living senior center, which maybe you're thinking of an assisted living center.

874
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:19,920
This is still independent living, and the services and programs that are provided on the

875
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:21,800
on floor in the All Us Resource Center,

876
01:27:21,980 --> 01:27:24,740
support those residents and farm workers.

877
01:27:25,300 --> 01:27:26,820
And then she can speak to that kitchen.

878
01:27:28,440 --> 01:27:29,120
Thank you.

879
01:27:29,300 --> 01:27:31,160
For the kitchen, I mean, I think it's something

880
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:33,980
that we're gonna find out as we develop it.

881
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:36,660
We don't have this program now, so it's definitely

882
01:27:36,660 --> 01:27:37,680
something that'll be in the works.

883
01:27:38,260 --> 01:27:40,220
Our vision is to be able to care for them

884
01:27:40,220 --> 01:27:40,980
in different ways.

885
01:27:41,420 --> 01:27:44,700
I don't know that we have funding for three meals a day.

886
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:46,540
Right now, I could say no to that, right?

887
01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:49,240
Our hope is that we can offer breakfast

888
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:54,400
us maybe or coffee or drinks for them to come down during the day.

889
01:27:54,960 --> 01:28:00,880
The idea is to get them out into community, to be able to have them thrive together, to

890
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:06,200
get out of isolation, to be able to move, to be able to have, we have so many different

891
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:10,740
opportunities in the way that you use food as a centering of communities.

892
01:28:11,060 --> 01:28:16,740
So I think it's a vision left to be said and to figure out that we don't have full clarity

893
01:28:16,740 --> 01:28:24,260
not to be vague, but as a funding, we don't have that right now for that, but it's a vision

894
01:28:24,260 --> 01:28:24,980
that we have.

895
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:29,280
And I think I would just say that the focus we have is on nutrition.

896
01:28:29,980 --> 01:28:34,760
Also having them to be able to come and bank meals together, not just about us.

897
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:40,620
We have amazing chefs in this community, you know, women that cut together.

898
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:46,200
What we see is when they come down and prepare food together to have community meals that

899
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:52,240
They can share in storytelling, and cooking together, and being together, and remembering home.

900
01:28:52,940 --> 01:28:55,840
This is the way that we envision this place to be.

901
01:28:56,980 --> 01:28:57,780
Thank you.

902
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:04,400
And I understand trying to get the seniors out in the community doing things is

903
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:06,540
my gosh, a very important issue.

904
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:09,560
Mentally, I want to get out of my house every day and do things.

905
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:13,240
Community wise, I'm wondering if the kitchen is absolutely necessary or

906
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:16,640
Or can you take them somewhere so that they're out of their complex?

907
01:29:17,260 --> 01:29:23,300
Because to me, it's a little bit, you're still in that complex, I don't know how that would work.

908
01:29:23,480 --> 01:29:33,520
And if that space can be utilized someplace else, by taking the seniors away from their surroundings

909
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:40,500
that are constant to someplace else, wouldn't that be a better mental health program?

910
01:29:40,500 --> 01:29:42,860
because that's one of the challenges we have right now.

911
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:45,520
We don't have a community kitchen in this community

912
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:46,640
except for Ted Atkock.

913
01:29:47,180 --> 01:29:49,340
And while the city is very gracious to sometimes,

914
01:29:49,340 --> 01:29:51,220
like, we able to let us use it,

915
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:52,380
there's a lot happening here.

916
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:56,120
And so the use of having a kitchen means people can come.

917
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:29,140
We can have healthy food made. As you know, prices are going to a restaurant is extremely high. And so being able to take them out to do, you know, restaurant food or, I mean, this is what we're trying to do is have healthy meals for them. And to have a consistency. And so having this community kitchen, it builds not only consistency, it builds health, but it also builds entrepreneurship that they're able to come down, they're able to cook for themselves.

918
01:30:29,140 --> 01:30:39,720
They're able to create and we're able to have community programming in the evenings that could consist of having healthy snacks, healthy meals that we can prepare their onsite.

919
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:50,360
My question was only because in addition to the TED Edcock Center, there's also, I guess, a kitchen next door at the facility that the church operates.

920
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:58,020
And then there's also the IDES halls, there's two different places where the Portuguese Cultural Center, the IDES, I was also at the kitchen.

921
01:30:58,020 --> 01:31:02,400
I'm wondering if that was ever in your thought process to perhaps utilize those areas.

922
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:09,400
For exactly what you're saying is get that community together, get them out of their homes, having it be.

923
01:31:10,140 --> 01:31:13,420
It's a nice walk, getting the exercise to these areas.

924
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:18,320
It's just a thought that I had, and I was wondering if that was something that you considered.

925
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:22,700
Absolutely, as a member of our lady of the pillar, we would love to use the bill building.

926
01:31:22,700 --> 01:31:27,120
we used the bill building before when we had our ballot political and unfortunately,

927
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:29,420
unfortunately, the church is so busy.

928
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:32,160
They have other events that are happening all the time.

929
01:31:32,380 --> 01:31:34,380
I don't think it's pretty much ever empty.

930
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:39,540
And even when we try to use it before to make more meals for kids, it wasn't accessible.

931
01:31:39,820 --> 01:31:43,640
So we already have a lot of familiarity with trying to use a church.

932
01:31:44,100 --> 01:31:47,040
And definitely, we also have a relationship with the IDS.

933
01:31:47,480 --> 01:31:51,940
And that is a lot of deposits and funding and time.

934
01:31:51,940 --> 01:31:56,280
and parties that they have there so you can't I mean if we want to have a group

935
01:31:56,280 --> 01:32:01,000
every week in a meal every week and doing groups it's not feasible so is your

936
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:05,540
use case a meal a week no I'm just saying I'm just even even if you just had

937
01:32:05,540 --> 01:32:09,180
at the very minimum one meal a week I'm just giving you an example is your plan

938
01:32:09,180 --> 01:32:14,520
to have it seven days a week our plan is to be able to look at what is best for

939
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:18,720
the community once we're in there what they need I think right now I can tell you

940
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:25,820
that with every event that we have for Alas, we try to provide food for the community

941
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:32,020
because they come to our events, many of them are coming from work, they're hungry,

942
01:32:32,660 --> 01:32:38,400
they need to be fed, but at the same time, just like all of us know, food is joy, and

943
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:41,200
food builds community, and it brings people out.

944
01:32:42,060 --> 01:32:47,880
And like a comment was made that we were a tamale party on next door, but I'm going to tell

945
01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:51,680
everyone that I know you're going to miss the tamales today because they're not here right it's

946
01:32:51,680 --> 01:33:00,760
that thing that brings a lot of fun it brings celebration so that's what we're about so I'm trying

947
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:05,500
to create clarity around how much you're going to use this space and you're not actually the answer I'm

948
01:33:05,500 --> 01:33:10,580
hearing is every day we don't every day every day every single day every single day we will be making

949
01:33:10,580 --> 01:33:15,260
some type of food whether it's breakfast whether it's a lunch and you're going to do that three times a

950
01:33:15,260 --> 01:33:16,660
today you can do it one time a day.

951
01:33:16,700 --> 01:33:19,340
I can't really say that right because we haven't been

952
01:33:19,340 --> 01:33:22,820
in this space to see but our goal would be at least a couple

953
01:33:22,820 --> 01:33:24,400
times the day whether it's for groups

954
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:25,960
and then in the morning of breakfast

955
01:33:26,500 --> 01:33:29,640
or maybe we decide hey let's do tamale lunches like

956
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:32,120
we're there to be creative and use a kitchen.

957
01:33:32,300 --> 01:33:34,140
This is one of our dreams that we've had.

958
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:37,060
Every time we're at Alas and we do our programming

959
01:33:37,060 --> 01:33:38,520
we see that food is needed.

960
01:33:39,060 --> 01:33:41,260
So I would say we're gonna use a kitchen just as much

961
01:33:41,260 --> 01:33:44,560
as we can to make meals happen every day.

962
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:49,220
I can't say if they're three days a week, three meals a day, but definitely every day.

963
01:33:49,380 --> 01:33:52,900
Once or twice a day, seven days a week would be your goal.

964
01:33:53,860 --> 01:33:54,380
I would say that.

965
01:33:54,580 --> 01:34:00,080
Okay, and when you do an event, is it for five people, 50 people, 100 people?

966
01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:05,640
I mean, the plan is not just to 100 people in the building, you're going to do other stuff, right?

967
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:13,000
I mean, I'm just trying to create clarity around the use case, because this is an important thing.

968
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:18,860
and there are other considerations, and aren't necessarily Alessa's responsibility

969
01:34:18,860 --> 01:34:21,040
or Mercy's responsibility, okay?

970
01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:25,280
The things that the city may need to do, or we may need to have conversation around

971
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:30,160
because the community doesn't expect us to turn a blind eye to the use pattern.

972
01:34:30,300 --> 01:34:33,120
We're trying to understand it so that we can plan.

973
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:35,280
It's not about the quality of the mission.

974
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:38,700
It's the number of events that are happening in the frequency.

975
01:34:38,700 --> 01:34:45,580
So, what I've heard is something that sounds like 20 to 60 people seven days a week.

976
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:46,880
Is that about?

977
01:34:47,860 --> 01:34:52,540
And when I say that predominantly I'm talking about those that live there.

978
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:58,880
So, they're coming from the residents that are there, which means they're already there.

979
01:35:00,180 --> 01:35:28,380
For people who already have their own kitchens, and it's not assisted living. Okay. Yeah, because people have their own kitchens right now, and they still come to Allah's need. And it becomes a really part of cultural celebration, and that's no disrespect. It happens every day at Allah. But he's saying, but he's saying they have a they have a community room and a kitchen already, like that's where they would go. They would go to their kitchen and the community room.

980
01:35:28,380 --> 01:35:38,040
And I'll just as well as their own kitchen just to close I will say I think the goal of ala's and the group that we're doing is to create an

981
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:47,120
Opportunity to celebrate them every day. That celebration looks like a team that is wrapping services around

982
01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:50,100
That is welcoming them with a warm meal

983
01:35:50,100 --> 01:35:58,180
Welcome on with food and they're not alone. So maybe they will choose to come out of their apartment because they're sitting there alone

984
01:35:58,380 --> 01:36:01,440
to come and be part of the Allah's services.

985
01:36:02,180 --> 01:36:07,160
And I can't say enough about how our senior program right now is benefiting from that.

986
01:36:07,480 --> 01:36:09,040
I can just go by what I'm seeing.

987
01:36:12,860 --> 01:36:13,520
Thank you, Buwenda.

988
01:36:13,580 --> 01:36:13,920
Thank you.

989
01:36:14,100 --> 01:36:25,860
I would just add one piece that's a little like to the some of the questions about more of the senior housing and senior services and senior foods.

990
01:36:25,860 --> 01:36:35,960
We haven't, Mercy has a number of properties where there is a co-located senior center or a senior adult day health care.

991
01:36:36,540 --> 01:36:50,940
We were the 1995, we were the first ones that had agreed to make adult day health care in the ground floor make sense of a 92 unit senior so they could go downstairs and get the services.

992
01:36:50,940 --> 01:37:20,200
And what Belinda is describing is quite universal actually in terms of people having their own independent apartment and then wanting to go down stairs and have lunch or dinner with people depending on what's offered, you know, as you know, senior co-side has a senior center and adult day so the model is kind of quite well established along those lines but I get your point in terms of usage.

993
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:26,740
I'm not questioning that, but I just want to say kind of the bigger picture on the model of senior services.

994
01:37:27,200 --> 01:37:30,260
That's actually super helpful, so let me clarify.

995
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:38,900
In your experience, running other facilities that have a similar type of configuration where there's a first floor set of services.

996
01:37:39,860 --> 01:37:48,240
You find it to be credible and consistent that the majority of those services are offered for

997
01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:49,700
for the people who live in the building.

998
01:37:50,760 --> 01:37:51,540
Actually, yes.

999
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:53,340
Great, thank you.

1000
01:37:53,580 --> 01:37:54,120
Thank you.

1001
01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:54,960
Actually, yes.

1002
01:37:57,080 --> 01:38:03,100
So, I'd like to, so just, I mean, sorry, I don't want to keep going with this because we have other stuff to talk about.

1003
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:16,880
But so, you know, you're, you're talking about, it's a successful model here, but here is, is, is, is, where it is, this is, this is here.

1004
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:23,500
like the Ted Adcock Center has adult day care and has a senior center and has

1005
01:38:23,500 --> 01:38:30,620
I meant our but that's like next door I know and I was not clear and I should have been I meant our

1006
01:38:30,620 --> 01:38:39,120
mercy housing senior facility down main street that's on the second and third floor of

1007
01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:46,060
senior co-siders senior center and then the adult day health so it's just that close

1008
01:38:46,060 --> 01:38:47,440
But it's not here.

1009
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:49,060
Okay, thank you.

1010
01:38:49,060 --> 01:39:02,240
And something I'd like to say just so you know the current patterns of Alice, we see around 175 farm workers average per month that come to our services.

1011
01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:11,320
When people need help, we refer them, but if it's a complex issue, it's around three visits that they have.

1012
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:17,300
We also have, right now, provide food to the farms on Fridays.

1013
01:39:17,820 --> 01:39:21,460
We go and visit the farm workers on Fridays to bring lunch.

1014
01:39:22,180 --> 01:39:26,740
And it's an opportunity for us to check in about what services they need also in those

1015
01:39:26,740 --> 01:39:27,120
moments.

1016
01:39:27,660 --> 01:39:32,740
There are also different groups, like the men's group and the women's group.

1017
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:38,500
And now we also have La Mesa, La Mesa is the table, but it's basically where we bring

1018
01:39:38,500 --> 01:39:42,700
farm workers with different members of the community so they can get to know each other

1019
01:39:42,700 --> 01:39:49,460
and our staff serve the food. So I'm just saying that so you have an idea of what patterns

1020
01:39:49,460 --> 01:39:56,780
we have right now and there are groups and our groups is usually around 15 people but the

1021
01:39:56,780 --> 01:39:59,700
Corazonio de Oro, which is very popular, is growing and growing.

1022
01:40:08,660 --> 01:40:29,980
So, what happens, we use whatever buildings have available in order to do that. Even La Mesa, sometimes we have done it outside in the patio. So, it would be very useful to have this place. So, the expectation would be moving those services. Some of those services.

1023
01:40:29,980 --> 01:40:30,740
to this location.

1024
01:40:31,020 --> 01:40:31,100
Yeah.

1025
01:40:31,340 --> 01:40:31,520
Great.

1026
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:32,680
And thank you.

1027
01:40:43,470 --> 01:40:45,330
We are going to take a five minute break.

1028
01:40:45,950 --> 01:40:49,670
We'll be back a quarter to nine.

1029
01:40:50,050 --> 01:40:51,030
Thank you.

1030
01:40:51,210 --> 01:40:53,010
And if everyone could turn off their mic.

1031
01:53:02,450 --> 01:53:32,150
We'd like to call the meeting back to order. And at this time, I would like to ask any of my fellow commissioners if you have more clarifying questions. Okay, go ahead, Commissioner Gorn. So I know we need to start deliberations because we're running out of time. I don't want to run out of time. Okay. So if I could get the, there's just a question that didn't get answered, which is affordable housing tax credit. I don't know your name. The affordable tax, Amy, thank you.

1032
01:53:33,630 --> 01:53:39,510
So, you know, the governor is going to cut it, so I want to, you know, it's going to be,

1033
01:53:41,670 --> 01:53:44,210
I can explain them.

1034
01:53:44,590 --> 01:53:45,210
I don't want to know.

1035
01:53:45,530 --> 01:53:45,890
Exactly.

1036
01:53:46,570 --> 01:53:48,590
What I want to, because you explained before.

1037
01:53:48,850 --> 01:53:49,750
Let him ask the question.

1038
01:53:49,930 --> 01:53:54,250
But I just want to know, like, I know you're just going to reassure me, but I need reassurance.

1039
01:53:54,950 --> 01:53:58,430
I'm buying time until Rainey comes back, because I don't have your answer.

1040
01:53:59,050 --> 01:53:59,450
Oh, okay.

1041
01:53:59,450 --> 01:54:05,190
Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I didn't want to waste your time. Thank you.

1042
01:54:08,700 --> 01:54:09,260
Can you please

1043
01:54:09,260 --> 01:54:16,780
restate the question? Yes, please. So the question I had before is about the affordable housing

1044
01:54:16,780 --> 01:54:24,320
tax credit, which is a big part of the financing for this project. And so I said I'm imagining

1045
01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:28,420
You're going to reassure me, but I want reassurance, yes, you.

1046
01:54:31,660 --> 01:54:33,440
Like, Ramey, is that right?

1047
01:54:33,660 --> 01:54:33,760
Yes.

1048
01:54:34,100 --> 01:54:34,880
Okay, hi, I'm David.

1049
01:54:36,540 --> 01:54:41,760
So just reassure me that your financing is not going to fall apart.

1050
01:54:42,080 --> 01:54:48,420
Yeah, so the good news is that the low income housing tax credit program is not funded by the state.

1051
01:54:48,520 --> 01:54:53,340
It's administered by the state, but the actual money doesn't come from state coffers.

1052
01:54:53,740 --> 01:54:59,980
It's a federal okay. Oh good. Thank you. It was so funny because when I was out there

1053
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:03,880
And I'm like, oh, we forgot to address the question of a vote. Okay, thank you.

1054
01:55:06,300 --> 01:55:29,120
So the other question that didn't get answered, that I think maybe is deliberation. I don't know. But I raised this question about the ENA and sort of how this project was different with the first ENA and how the council approved this first negotiating agreement.

1055
01:55:29,120 --> 01:55:36,200
And I wondered about the second ENA, and so maybe I didn't state it right because you told me

1056
01:55:36,200 --> 01:55:43,460
that there is no second ENA, but there is an amendment,

1057
01:55:46,030 --> 01:55:49,290
a second amendment to the ENA,

1058
01:55:50,650 --> 01:55:57,870
which is what I was asking about, which is there's a second ENA, and the second ENA is different

1059
01:55:57,870 --> 01:56:03,150
from the first DNA, and it was, the first DNA was done with City Council approval.

1060
01:56:03,610 --> 01:56:09,950
The second DNA is not, so explain please, because that's done by City staff.

1061
01:56:12,230 --> 01:56:12,590
Tell me about that.

1062
01:56:12,590 --> 01:56:13,870
Can I add to that?

1063
01:56:14,090 --> 01:56:23,210
To that thought, is the original DNA had a development financial

1064
01:56:23,210 --> 01:56:30,550
billed pro forma that was attached to a city staff report and that I believe was in June

1065
01:56:30,550 --> 01:56:40,050
of 2023 and actually it was June 30th I think, well it's June 2023 and in that development

1066
01:56:40,050 --> 01:56:48,270
financial pro forma city council had been informed that there would be 31 studio apartments

1067
01:56:48,270 --> 01:56:55,030
and eight, one bedroom, and then one manager's unit.

1068
01:56:55,810 --> 01:57:05,190
And so that was the action where City Council enabled the staff to engage in this exclusive

1069
01:57:05,190 --> 01:57:07,290
negotiation agreement.

1070
01:57:08,010 --> 01:57:14,030
So I just want to know, you know, had a new development financial perform up and submitted

1071
01:57:14,030 --> 01:57:19,310
to City Council, and did they have a chance to weigh in on that?

1072
01:57:22,040 --> 01:57:27,740
I'm wondering if Matthew might, if we give him a little minute here, be able to respond.

1073
01:57:28,280 --> 01:57:32,660
We don't, I don't advise the City Council and I'm not involved in those negotiations,

1074
01:57:32,700 --> 01:57:37,360
which are sort of separate from this process, but I see him looking things up so maybe we could

1075
01:57:37,360 --> 01:57:42,840
put a pin in that question as well and invite Matthew up when he's ready to respond.

1076
01:57:42,840 --> 01:57:43,760
I

1077
01:57:54,380 --> 01:57:58,960
have a question that's a very different unless you want to continue with the E&A.

1078
01:57:59,760 --> 01:58:08,080
Well, Matthew's looking at that. Maybe it's an engineering question about staging for the project. Where will staging occur?

1079
01:58:18,680 --> 01:58:23,800
I can just take a stab, actually, Rick. The architect might want to talk about that.

1080
01:58:23,800 --> 01:58:32,420
So currently we don't have a contractor on board and they help working on the construction

1081
01:58:32,420 --> 01:58:42,720
staging, but on those plans we generally locate where there's going to be a office facility

1082
01:58:42,720 --> 01:58:51,620
just a few offices, sometimes they place it on site, then they place it possibly on the

1083
01:58:51,620 --> 01:58:58,120
street in front. They work out when they might need a crane location and for how long,

1084
01:58:58,240 --> 01:59:03,980
whether it's on the side or directly adjacent to the site. They'll do all of that and work

1085
01:59:03,980 --> 01:59:09,000
with us on it and work with the team and work with the city and work with the city public

1086
01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:15,040
or department to make sure because they have to get permits for all of those aspects of it.

1087
01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:29,980
They also have conditions generally where we have to have traffic management and they'll have to have flag people at the site at particular times and truck loading and where

1088
01:59:33,370 --> 01:59:34,570
the main street that they come.

1089
01:59:49,100 --> 01:59:56,520
These are worked out with the city and with city staff and with public works and engineering department and all of those things and they require permits.

1090
02:00:11,500 --> 02:00:41,480
Would you mind repeating the question just like to try to answer? Well, maybe Commissioner Gorin will ask and then. Well, so there was a first DNA in October, apparently, right, October. So, so there was an exclusive negotiating agreement signed in October that the city council approved. Correct. So, there's a second DNA signed in April that doesn't look like the city council approved.

1091
02:00:41,480 --> 02:00:47,600
Council approved, so that's what I'm asking. She has a more complicated question, but that's my question.

1092
02:00:47,680 --> 02:00:50,100
I'll answer that question first, and we can jump to her.

1093
02:00:50,360 --> 02:01:00,040
So, in October of 2022, Council directed statute to enter into the ENA, the original

1094
02:01:00,040 --> 02:01:09,400
exclusive negotiations agreement. In June of 2023, the Council authorized us to enter into

1095
02:01:09,400 --> 02:01:17,220
the amended extended exclusive negotiations agreement in April of this year, as part

1096
02:01:17,220 --> 02:01:22,660
of that extended, as part of the original ENA, there was an administrative to

1097
02:01:25,830 --> 02:01:26,230
extend

1098
02:01:26,230 --> 02:01:31,790
the term further. That's what happened in April. So the Council authorized the original

1099
02:01:31,790 --> 02:01:38,490
document, the extension in June of 2023, and then in those documents it gave me authority

1100
02:01:38,490 --> 02:01:41,330
to extend it further which took place in April of this year.

1101
02:01:41,830 --> 02:01:45,190
Okay, because so the changes are significant.

1102
02:01:46,070 --> 02:01:57,570
I mean the changes are, you know, I can't remember with 37 studios to basically all one and two bedroom apartments.

1103
02:01:57,570 --> 02:02:09,650
And so that that seems like a large ask, a large change to not run by the council.

1104
02:02:10,990 --> 02:02:15,850
And for clarity sake, because I have the copy of the pro forma in front of me,

1105
02:02:16,930 --> 02:02:24,510
there were 31 studios, 8 one bedroom units, and one manager's unit for a total of 40 units.

1106
02:02:24,510 --> 02:02:33,090
and that pro forma was attached to the June 23 staff report, I think it was attachment number two.

1107
02:02:33,510 --> 02:02:33,810
That's correct.

1108
02:02:34,050 --> 02:02:42,210
And that is what City Council enabled when they gave direction for you to enter or enable the ENA.

1109
02:02:42,710 --> 02:02:51,530
That's what they were in terms of the scope of the project, they understood it to be that configuration within the four-story building.

1110
02:02:51,530 --> 02:02:56,270
And so my question is, has a new development financial

1111
02:02:56,270 --> 02:03:03,870
performance consistent with Council direction been submitted to you and did City Council weigh in on that?

1112
02:03:04,190 --> 02:03:09,710
The Council hasn't officially weighed in on any of the revised performance at that time.

1113
02:03:10,070 --> 02:03:12,050
It's been an evolution, correct.

1114
02:03:12,370 --> 02:03:19,250
So the next time the Council would weigh in on that would be in the negotiation of the DDLA agreement.

1115
02:03:19,250 --> 02:03:19,850
Okay.

1116
02:03:20,010 --> 02:03:20,510
Oh, okay.

1117
02:03:20,830 --> 02:03:21,490
Thank you.

1118
02:03:21,770 --> 02:03:22,110
Thank you.

1119
02:03:34,900 --> 02:03:36,220
So, go ahead.

1120
02:03:37,380 --> 02:03:38,340
Yes.

1121
02:03:38,760 --> 02:03:48,140
So, June 20th, 2023, the Staff Agenda Report stated that there was going to be 40 units,

1122
02:03:49,500 --> 02:03:53,920
and then City Council provided,

1123
02:03:57,120 --> 02:04:03,400
there was a resolution associated with that, that included

1124
02:04:03,400 --> 02:04:05,560
40 units as part of it.

1125
02:04:06,220 --> 02:04:18,320
And then in June 28, 2023, the ENA was executed and it extended the term of the ENA to May 3rd.

1126
02:04:18,360 --> 02:04:28,720
And in October 2023, the Planning Commission, sorry, the city received an application for

1127
02:04:28,720 --> 02:04:36,580
for the PDP for the building permit and the Coastal Development Permit, and with the

1128
02:04:36,580 --> 02:04:43,360
five-story 40-unit affordable housing. So the City Council does not know that the

1129
02:04:43,360 --> 02:04:49,120
application has a PDP for a five-story 40-unit affordable housing.

1130
02:04:51,250 --> 02:04:52,450
It's a question.

1131
02:04:54,490 --> 02:04:58,130
The City Council is aware of the current proposal. They've seen the plan.

1132
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:17,020
They've been briefed on the plans. Oh, so, but, but, okay, so did they know about it? Okay, at this point, they know about it. At this point in time, they know. Correct. Well, everybody knows about it. They were briefed before. Okay. We've got to these. Yes. Okay. Okay. Thanks.

1133
02:05:21,060 --> 02:05:33,300
So, I guess my point is that they didn't prove it. That's all. So, can we start deliberations? Can we do that? So, of course.

1134
02:05:33,300 --> 02:05:42,780
So, 100% affordable housing is amazing, it's what the City Council has asked for, it's

1135
02:05:42,780 --> 02:05:47,600
what they approved. I think that's great.

1136
02:05:53,710 --> 02:05:57,370
Concerns, I do think that we should put conditions

1137
02:05:57,370 --> 02:06:05,830
of approval on this. I think that if the City Council hasn't approved five stories

1138
02:06:05,830 --> 02:06:13,950
and a bunch of other one-bed rooms and a bunch of other office space, and that, you know,

1139
02:06:17,020 --> 02:06:18,180
I have a hard time with that.

1140
02:06:18,600 --> 02:06:29,680
So I would say approve, but using the original RFQ, using the original ENA, and if the council wants to change it, they can change it.

1141
02:06:29,780 --> 02:06:32,640
Because they'll get the whole thing. They'll get the whole thing presented to them.

1142
02:06:32,640 --> 02:06:41,300
But, you know, I feel uncomfortable saying yes to five stories when it is obviously the

1143
02:06:41,300 --> 02:06:48,730
largest building in Afroon Bay, and it doesn't need to be.

1144
02:06:49,250 --> 02:06:57,150
So the original was four stories, it was almost all studios, it was less of a conference

1145
02:06:57,150 --> 02:07:01,350
center, event center, whatever, not resource center.

1146
02:07:04,190 --> 02:07:05,490
So I also,

1147
02:07:07,790 --> 02:07:10,570
there's one other thing that I would attach.

1148
02:07:11,250 --> 02:07:14,850
And that is, I know a loss needs office space.

1149
02:07:15,510 --> 02:07:16,310
I get it.

1150
02:07:16,710 --> 02:07:19,890
They're expanding, they're like the nonprofit of the year.

1151
02:07:20,050 --> 02:07:22,050
They need more office space.

1152
02:07:22,570 --> 02:07:28,770
But I have a hard time saying yes to office space in a 100% affordable housing

1153
02:07:28,770 --> 02:07:33,830
complex. A hundred percent affordable housing means a hundred percent affordable housing.

1154
02:07:34,290 --> 02:07:41,130
I see that mercy needs space to operate, great, like space to operate. That didn't look

1155
02:07:41,130 --> 02:07:51,530
like very much space, but I think the huge space which in my opinion is duplicated in places like

1156
02:07:51,530 --> 02:08:00,710
the Tedotcock Center, the clinic, Alas's own space, whatever, it kind of doesn't matter

1157
02:08:00,710 --> 02:08:07,450
because I know they need the space, but I don't see why we have to build another story

1158
02:08:07,970 --> 02:08:13,630
to get that space because the housing is the important part.

1159
02:08:14,170 --> 02:08:18,110
That's what the City Council approved, that's what they wanted, that's what they asked for,

1160
02:08:18,110 --> 02:08:33,550
That's what the RFQ is for, I would have a condition of approval that it'd be 100% affordable housing because that's what the request was for.

1161
02:08:34,110 --> 02:08:35,830
That would get us down to four stories.

1162
02:08:38,230 --> 02:08:49,400
I hear your concerns, Commissioner Gourne, I strongly suspect that we don't have,

1163
02:08:49,400 --> 02:08:57,740
the flexibility to change the project in the profound ways you're talking about.

1164
02:08:57,900 --> 02:09:04,780
I mean, despite the very far ranging and fascinating discussions of the last three weeks,

1165
02:09:04,960 --> 02:09:08,980
the Planning Commission has a really narrow lane on this.

1166
02:09:09,140 --> 02:09:13,800
We have a really specific job that we're charged with doing.

1167
02:09:13,800 --> 02:09:23,180
And I think explicitly we have to look at the project as it's been presented to us and determine if it's exempt from

1168
02:09:23,180 --> 02:09:27,560
CEQA based on the findings that staff has shared with us.

1169
02:09:27,680 --> 02:09:34,040
And if the project is consistent with the coastal act and the city's general plan and LCP.

1170
02:09:34,040 --> 02:09:47,340
So I understand the motivation, but I think we've got to face up to our responsibility to deal with the proposed project at hand.

1171
02:09:47,900 --> 02:09:53,040
Well, I mean, the Coastal Act, one of the provisions that we talked about is this gateway to the community.

1172
02:09:53,460 --> 02:09:59,240
And if you have a four-story gateway to the community, it's a little less impressive than a five-story.

1173
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:29,980
And since four stories is what the original project was, and it was originally approved by the council, I think there's really to me no question that that's the proposal that needs to be submitted to the council for approval. And to say that, you know, as a planning commission, we would approve the four-story, but not a five-story. I mean, it seems kind of almost again,

1174
02:10:29,980 --> 02:10:36,460
given to me. So the alas space, I could see we haven't talked about.

1175
02:10:39,020 --> 02:10:40,560
And I don't want

1176
02:10:40,560 --> 02:10:47,880
to obviously love the group, they need the office space, but if the building itself

1177
02:10:48,390 --> 02:10:59,010
is going to be five stories because of it, then I don't want to do that. So if I can

1178
02:10:59,010 --> 02:11:06,610
and rebut you gently again, you know that the State Law would prohibit us from placing limits

1179
02:11:06,610 --> 02:11:08,690
on the building height.

1180
02:11:08,990 --> 02:11:15,690
But we can send it back to counsel as the original ENA and the original RFQ, and not as this.

1181
02:11:16,630 --> 02:11:19,110
And we wouldn't be saying no to the project.

1182
02:11:20,330 --> 02:11:22,970
He's not suggesting that we deny the project.

1183
02:11:26,270 --> 02:11:28,410
Well, I would go ahead, Commissioner Jones.

1184
02:11:29,050 --> 02:11:34,510
I was just going to say I'd welcome staff and the City Attorney's Invitation.

1185
02:11:34,510 --> 02:11:39,150
But before that, I'd like to hear from the commission before we get to staff.

1186
02:11:40,810 --> 02:11:50,370
I'd like to hear evidence that there's some standard for what a major transit stop is because it's applicable to the project.

1187
02:11:50,950 --> 02:11:55,010
And it's not applicable to the height, but it's applicable to the project itself.

1188
02:11:56,650 --> 02:12:04,210
If there is any evidence, if there is a standardized definition, major bus route, sorry,

1189
02:12:04,470 --> 02:12:05,770
not major transit stop.

1190
02:12:05,930 --> 02:12:10,770
I know I've seen the definition of major transit stop, but if there's some standard

1191
02:12:10,770 --> 02:12:14,750
that says micro transit is included and that would be helpful to understand.

1192
02:12:17,500 --> 02:12:19,520
But that said, good.

1193
02:12:22,660 --> 02:12:27,360
I'm more concerned about combining a lot line adjustment with this project.

1194
02:12:30,160 --> 02:12:41,600
And calling and using the CEQA-32 for an infill project, this seems to me that this is an unusual

1195
02:12:42,880 --> 02:12:50,060
lot line adjustment, it's not the norm for this town, it's, you know, or what the city has

1196
02:12:50,060 --> 02:12:55,920
approved for before. We've always approved infill projects for, you know, lower density or

1197
02:12:55,920 --> 02:13:02,860
single family, so this is very unusual, and I haven't heard anything from the city staff talking

1198
02:13:02,860 --> 02:13:09,060
about the exceptions to the Secret 32 condition.

1199
02:13:10,040 --> 02:13:18,360
And so to me, combining a lot line adjustment with this project is not appropriate.

1200
02:13:18,660 --> 02:13:25,200
That should be a separate item, and it should be considered for its possibility

1201
02:13:25,200 --> 02:13:28,660
of a significant effect due to an unusual circumstance.

1202
02:13:29,020 --> 02:13:31,400
I mean, it is not the norm.

1203
02:13:31,780 --> 02:13:36,640
And to me, I think we're switching zones, we're combining everything in one thing

1204
02:13:36,640 --> 02:13:41,580
without any effect on measuring the effect on the land use plan.

1205
02:13:42,180 --> 02:13:43,900
And so that's concerning to me.

1206
02:13:44,040 --> 02:13:50,900
So as far as the CECLA-932 compliance, I see I understand why it's been asked,

1207
02:13:51,120 --> 02:13:53,500
but there are also exceptions to the exemption.

1208
02:13:53,500 --> 02:13:55,780
And we need to understand that better.

1209
02:13:56,500 --> 02:14:03,640
Can I, so I've heard a number of things there, one of them is the change of land use designation.

1210
02:14:04,020 --> 02:14:05,180
I think it's one of the things that came up.

1211
02:14:05,280 --> 02:14:11,520
Okay, so the original explanations in the staff report, I found deficient.

1212
02:14:11,780 --> 02:14:14,960
And I spent a lot of time trying to understand this.

1213
02:14:15,260 --> 02:14:19,400
And so you may have missed my third question on this, but

1214
02:14:19,400 --> 02:14:24,420
But here's how I will translate what happened.

1215
02:14:26,820 --> 02:14:35,480
In this document, in Appendix A, for those of you who are at home, here's what you do in Half Moon Bay when you're really a nerd.

1216
02:14:37,680 --> 02:14:50,320
In Appendix A, there is a explanation that we are changing the land designation of 555 Kelly to

1217
02:14:51,840 --> 02:14:59,800
I'm going to get it wrong, but public facilities, there's a plan to change it to public facilities.

1218
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,600
But these is a planning area, and there is, in the certified LCP, a plan to move that particular land designation, the anticipated zoning is public services, or its PS, so whatever that is, so that's, I actually don't think that it is unusual, and the explanation we got was deficient, but I'm actually confident that that is, can that part is consistent,

1219
02:15:29,600 --> 02:15:32,900
The change of the land use designation is consistent with the LCP.

1220
02:15:33,660 --> 02:15:41,660
I think we'd be, I feel confident that it's covered and I don't think it's that unusual.

1221
02:15:42,020 --> 02:15:44,000
And maybe City staff hasn't.

1222
02:15:44,180 --> 02:15:51,680
So, and that might be fine, but there is an unusual circumstance that prompted

1223
02:15:52,520 --> 02:15:57,300
sequel not to be enforced, but there's an exception to that, because this infill lot

1224
02:15:57,300 --> 02:16:01,680
has now created a lot of other issues regarding circulation, parking.

1225
02:16:02,240 --> 02:16:04,780
All of that stuff would have been looked at.

1226
02:16:05,560 --> 02:16:10,120
Well, parking wouldn't have been looked at under sequa, but traffic would.

1227
02:16:10,240 --> 02:16:14,580
So if traffic is the concern, let's talk about traffic for sequa, let's dig into it.

1228
02:16:14,780 --> 02:16:16,440
Because, and safety is the other issue.

1229
02:16:16,500 --> 02:16:16,920
And let's talk.

1230
02:16:17,180 --> 02:16:25,840
So, so all I'd like to tackle safety and maybe have a broader discussion here, because

1231
02:16:25,840 --> 02:16:33,570
is when we approved the gym, they were already known issues with the crosswalk.

1232
02:16:34,230 --> 02:16:39,870
And the staff report talks about a known concern, I'll call it, I'm not going to,

1233
02:16:40,230 --> 02:16:44,190
I may not remember the exact word, but there are issues that have been observed and

1234
02:16:44,190 --> 02:16:49,830
seen this evening, we saw some of those types of things with a congestion at the intersection.

1235
02:16:52,350 --> 02:16:58,910
At the end of the day, the city is the applicant, I think, is responsible for

1236
02:16:58,910 --> 02:17:07,790
addressing the issue. I don't think mercy as the affordable housing owner should be tagged

1237
02:17:07,790 --> 02:17:14,170
with fixing this intersection. And so is

1238
02:17:17,240 --> 02:17:19,740
this project going, is there evidence that this

1239
02:17:19,740 --> 02:17:26,300
project is going to make the situation worse or not? That's finding that we all have to

1240
02:17:26,300 --> 02:17:31,900
make individually. But I think what would be helpful is if instead of us trying to

1241
02:17:31,900 --> 02:17:36,180
call through the evidence, which some of us have asked questions about, I don't know

1242
02:17:36,180 --> 02:17:41,800
if your question ever got answered about what was the scope of the work that was defined

1243
02:17:41,800 --> 02:17:46,680
for the transit study, okay? So there's questions that haven't been answered around the scope

1244
02:17:46,680 --> 02:17:55,060
of transit and transportation analysis that was done. At the end of the day, this intersection

1245
02:17:55,060 --> 02:18:00,960
can support a lot of things, but I think what I would lean towards is rather than try to focus

1246
02:18:00,960 --> 02:18:07,660
on the safety issue of Sequoia here, let's get the city, let's assign the city responsibility

1247
02:18:08,480 --> 02:18:17,380
to go fix it. And we can't create something that's not on the agenda, but we can make a strong

1248
02:18:17,380 --> 02:18:23,960
recommendation to the City Council as planning commission that says, look, if you're going to do this

1249
02:18:23,960 --> 02:18:30,220
Before you get an occupancy permit, it's a strong recommendation that you fix this intersection

1250
02:18:30,220 --> 02:18:37,880
because we've received testimony that's already unsafe, and this project may or may not have an impact,

1251
02:18:38,280 --> 02:18:43,400
but there's other stuff that's coming that needs to be addressed, and we don't want somebody

1252
02:18:43,400 --> 02:18:48,800
in a walker getting nailed by somebody who's upset because they had to wait in line

1253
02:18:48,800 --> 02:18:50,600
and they missed the traffic light, right?

1254
02:18:51,000 --> 02:18:59,420
Like, yeah, and so, and there's been no, I received, I saw the testimony or the statement

1255
02:18:59,420 --> 02:19:03,680
from the city staff that said there have been no accidents at that particular intersection

1256
02:19:03,680 --> 02:19:04,560
in five years.

1257
02:19:05,520 --> 02:19:06,600
Just for the reported.

1258
02:19:06,860 --> 02:19:09,780
I'm sorry, it's just for the record, which intersection are you talking about?

1259
02:19:10,140 --> 02:19:10,960
The event center.

1260
02:19:11,440 --> 02:19:15,960
So if we walk out this door and you go to the event center, there's a crosswalk there.

1261
02:19:15,960 --> 02:19:18,700
So that's a specific intersection that I'm talking about.

1262
02:19:18,780 --> 02:19:23,380
I'm not talking about Kelly and Highway 1, where we know there have been traffic

1263
02:19:23,380 --> 02:19:26,420
incidents, car on pedestrian accidents.

1264
02:19:27,260 --> 02:19:28,700
I'm just talking about here.

1265
02:19:28,860 --> 02:19:32,840
Supposedly, there have been no pedestrian-reported incidents at that intersection

1266
02:19:33,720 --> 02:19:34,840
from the staff report.

1267
02:19:35,220 --> 02:19:38,940
Kelsa, perhaps it wasn't a pedestrian, but there was a car and a bicycle accident

1268
02:19:38,940 --> 02:19:40,980
there, and somebody perished.

1269
02:19:41,500 --> 02:19:43,640
And recently, yes, in the last year.

1270
02:19:43,640 --> 02:19:45,880
Oh, I didn't. That should have been in the staff report.

1271
02:19:46,260 --> 02:19:51,680
It was a, it was, yes, there was an incident there, and I think the, I person died.

1272
02:19:57,460 --> 02:19:59,960
So, is this, how, how do you guys?

1273
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:28,900
Well, I have, I mean, the project could be approved with a lot of conditions, and I have prepared a lot of conditions that I would like to have seat to see on this. But I don't think this it's, again, I don't think it's appropriate for us to say the affordable. Of all the projects that have come before us that have been put at this intersection, the one that might arguably be the least impactful based on traditional standards that we've been presented with here.

1274
02:20:30,400 --> 02:20:37,480
is this, so it's just, is this project? The gym arguably created more issues, right?

1275
02:20:37,640 --> 02:20:45,620
And we, yeah, but it's there. So my suggestion would be, we take this as a separate

1276
02:20:45,620 --> 02:20:49,660
item and provide feedback to the City Council to fix the intersection.

1277
02:20:50,180 --> 02:20:51,660
But that's okay, if you don't want to go there, that's fine.

1278
02:20:51,840 --> 02:20:55,920
No, I'd rather approve this project with conditions requesting the City to conduct

1279
02:20:55,920 --> 02:21:02,120
certain studies, and not the applicant, and until those analysis are done or certain

1280
02:21:02,120 --> 02:21:08,140
things that are done, by the city government, this project will be very successful.

1281
02:21:08,480 --> 02:21:14,040
But it depends on the city government to take charge of the issues that we're finding

1282
02:21:14,040 --> 02:21:19,080
because we are limited by, let's just say, the infill issue is okay.

1283
02:21:19,500 --> 02:21:24,040
We're limited by understanding the true issues and impacts community-wide.

1284
02:21:24,040 --> 02:21:31,140
And this is something that had we've been able to do a sequa analysis, we would have been finding all this and

1285
02:21:31,140 --> 02:21:32,980
created mitigation on this.

1286
02:21:33,240 --> 02:21:42,260
And so it's, to me, it's important that this very important project is not placed on notice that they have to do anything.

1287
02:21:42,260 --> 02:21:48,600
The city's responsibility, the city took charge of this, the city donated is leasing the land.

1288
02:21:48,740 --> 02:21:53,520
The city requested this, so the city has to take certain responsibility.

1289
02:21:53,520 --> 02:21:59,580
So, again, I'm not sure how we can, I guess my question, so sticking with safety,

1290
02:22:00,420 --> 02:22:05,760
is there a legal way for us to think about that in relation to this project.

1291
02:22:06,000 --> 02:22:10,280
Matt's here as the representative of the city, maybe he can weigh in on opinion, but

1292
02:22:11,560 --> 02:22:14,720
I don't know if we have the authority to do that, I guess that's it.

1293
02:22:14,860 --> 02:22:18,420
But the city is, I guess, a co-applicant of the prior, they're not.

1294
02:22:18,420 --> 02:22:19,780
No, they're not, they're not.

1295
02:22:21,640 --> 02:22:22,640
Is there a legal way?

1296
02:22:22,760 --> 02:22:26,540
A lot of this, I think, could be addressed in the DDLA.

1297
02:22:28,680 --> 02:22:32,260
Okay, so, Winter, could you help us with this?

1298
02:22:33,240 --> 02:22:35,580
Yeah, I wasn't sure if you wanted me to weigh in.

1299
02:22:35,680 --> 02:22:39,120
There have been a couple of questions, I think, aimed towards me.

1300
02:22:40,600 --> 02:22:48,280
Yeah, I don't think we can add a condition of approval to Mercy's CDP requiring the city to do something.

1301
02:22:49,280 --> 02:23:00,480
We did put in the staff report that the city is working on with the neighboring users on the traffic and intersection issues.

1302
02:23:02,260 --> 02:23:13,120
So, again, I don't think we can require mercy to, I mean, we can't require the city to do something in mercy's CDP, that's going to be tricky.

1303
02:23:13,120 --> 02:23:18,020
Okay, so you can make a recommendation, you can talk to Matthew about what the city is already doing.

1304
02:23:18,960 --> 02:23:28,360
Can we require mercy to obtain from the city a traffic mitigation for the intersection?

1305
02:23:31,270 --> 02:23:32,330
What mitigation?

1306
02:23:33,890 --> 02:23:34,650
All

1307
02:23:39,260 --> 02:23:39,700
right.

1308
02:23:40,820 --> 02:23:47,940
So could a condition of approval, and I'm trying to understand what you said, could a condition of approval be?

1309
02:23:47,940 --> 02:23:53,000
the, based on the completion of the city completing its safety element,

1310
02:23:55,660 --> 02:23:58,880
what do you want to be based on that, the approval?

1311
02:23:59,320 --> 02:23:59,700
Yes,

1312
02:24:01,820 --> 02:24:09,740
or the city can, or the HCD approving the housing element because it's all tied to our findings, right?

1313
02:24:11,040 --> 02:24:19,780
Or the city, the city's completion of analysis that affect the, you know,

1314
02:24:22,180 --> 02:24:28,040
parking, a citywide parking plan, or the city adopting a parking plan.

1315
02:24:28,300 --> 02:24:33,940
I mean, there's a lot of things the city can do that can help this project be successful.

1316
02:24:35,340 --> 02:24:40,500
I think what we've typically seen and what might be a more conventional approach is if

1317
02:24:40,500 --> 02:24:47,260
you are inclined to approve the project, sometimes we will say applicant to report back with

1318
02:24:47,260 --> 02:24:51,780
additional information after the fact, so if there's some additional information that

1319
02:24:51,780 --> 02:24:56,940
you would want sort of an update on later, that would be something that

1320
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:29,340
But you could request but I don't know how we can condition approval on something that's happening in the future. That would essentially just be delaying the approval until what's happening in the future. Okay, I understand that. However, we do have a HCD that has been specified here that is going approval is going to happen in the future, and we still cited as a compliance. So I don't understand the difference between not having an approved HCD.

1321
02:25:29,340 --> 02:25:35,580
and requesting for the safe element to be updated and things like that.

1322
02:25:35,740 --> 02:25:37,080
There's a different, I mean is there a difference?

1323
02:25:37,280 --> 02:25:41,800
I don't know, I just don't see the thread of logic.

1324
02:25:43,060 --> 02:25:50,180
Yes, so we're reviewing this application based on the laws that is now, there's no need for

1325
02:25:50,180 --> 02:25:55,460
the housing element, the new housing element to be certified in order to approve this project.

1326
02:25:59,540 --> 02:26:07,780
So, some of the policies that were cited did cite that this project was in the HCD and it cited it as compliance.

1327
02:26:07,940 --> 02:26:09,400
So, that confused me a little bit.

1328
02:26:09,580 --> 02:26:12,920
So, I guess we don't need to look at that and say that that is in compliance.

1329
02:26:16,590 --> 02:26:18,610
I'm not sure what you mean in the HCD.

1330
02:26:20,590 --> 02:26:31,270
I'm sorry, in one of the policies, the housing element conformance policy 2-5.

1331
02:26:31,270 --> 02:26:31,990
And

1332
02:26:39,480 --> 02:26:44,060
I think we did provide some analysis of each of those policies, so I can pull that up and

1333
02:26:44,060 --> 02:26:48,000
see and respond more fully once I have it up.

1334
02:26:51,230 --> 02:26:57,910
I think that's the policy that speaks to focusing housing element sites within town,

1335
02:26:57,910 --> 02:27:04,070
center, and using the workforce housing overlay, encouraging the use of the WHO.

1336
02:27:07,290 --> 02:27:09,330
That's policy 2-5, I think.

1337
02:27:09,730 --> 02:27:11,810
It's 2-102.

1338
02:27:11,810 --> 02:27:20,950
Yes, so that policy actually is directing the city when it does its housing element inventory.

1339
02:27:21,550 --> 02:27:30,230
To focus that inventory on providing adequate sites within the town center and through the workforce housing overlay land use designations.

1340
02:27:30,730 --> 02:27:35,890
So we noted that this really isn't a project specific policy.

1341
02:27:36,150 --> 02:27:39,590
It's about guiding the city's development of the housing element.

1342
02:27:39,590 --> 02:27:53,630
So we think that, you know, regardless we think this is consistent with the general idea of that policy since this would be focusing housing element inventory in the town center and through the workforce housing overly.

1343
02:28:05,220 --> 02:28:18,660
Through the chair, I'd like to come back to Commissioner Hernandez, because I thought we were making a little bit of progress, talking about safety, but did you have a specific in mind when you.

1344
02:28:18,660 --> 02:28:26,220
you as a goal or an outcome when you talked about mitigation at that intersection?

1345
02:28:26,520 --> 02:28:31,140
I'd like to see the city come back with a definition of what needs to happen.

1346
02:28:32,500 --> 02:28:37,760
And a plan to mitigate it and a time frame when that will be mitigated.

1347
02:28:38,280 --> 02:28:42,060
Ideally, it'd be great if we could get it done before occupancy starts, but

1348
02:28:42,060 --> 02:28:47,100
that puts a condition on the applicant, which basically delays their

1349
02:28:48,300 --> 02:28:54,900
permit. So what I'm looking for is a way for us to look, it's been 10 years since we

1350
02:28:54,900 --> 02:29:00,760
approved the gym and we got a crosswalk at the time. And no other substantial improvements

1351
02:29:00,760 --> 02:29:05,160
have been made. And maybe they don't need to be paid, but we've heard evidence to the

1352
02:29:05,160 --> 02:29:09,720
contrary that it's an existing problem and we've observed it ourselves and somebody has

1353
02:29:14,420 --> 02:29:27,220
So I'm maybe looking for Matt or to step in and say is there something that the city would be willing to do or a suggestion that the city has for us to how we can address this?

1354
02:29:27,720 --> 02:29:34,820
Yeah, I think my first question would be what evidence have we heard to the contrary that that's not a safe crossing?

1355
02:29:34,820 --> 02:29:35,900
Well,

1356
02:29:38,490 --> 02:29:41,670
we've received testimony that somebody died at the intersection.

1357
02:29:42,050 --> 02:29:47,590
We've heard parents who have reported the safety concerns of their children who are in the park to create.

1358
02:29:47,730 --> 02:29:51,310
Just for this hearing, who were parked across the street at the Boys and Girls Club.

1359
02:29:52,090 --> 02:29:59,870
And there's the observed behavior of what happens at that intersection when there's congestion for the last three hearing.

1360
02:30:00,080 --> 02:30:30,060
So is there evidence the city has that that's a safe intersection? Well, I think we had the traffic analysis completed and in fact no issues. I understand that you all have questions about the scope. I will remind you that that traffic analysis was not necessarily legally necessary for this project because the, if I understand correctly, please correct me if I'm wrong, because this project

1361
02:30:30,060 --> 02:30:43,540
to qualify for super density bonus exceptions, we didn't need to do that, it was done in collaboration with the applicants to address the concerns we heard in the community that this would cause traffic issues.

1362
02:30:44,220 --> 02:30:53,860
As far as the accident you're describing, we can get more information but my understanding of it wasn't about the intersection. It was Kelly Avenue.

1363
02:30:53,860 --> 02:31:01,280
So, I think we have to be careful to attribute an accident on Kelly Avenue to what is the driveway.

1364
02:31:01,900 --> 02:31:04,540
You know, I want to be careful not to call it an intersection, it's a driveway.

1365
02:31:05,020 --> 02:31:05,820
Sotomayor, let me summarize.

1366
02:31:06,240 --> 02:31:10,720
There's a perception in the public that this is an unsafe intersection.

1367
02:31:11,140 --> 02:31:15,520
The evidence you have from the traffic study indicates that it is not, in fact, an unsafe

1368
02:31:15,520 --> 02:31:26,400
intersection. And the traffic study was conducted on a moderately busy day, we've already determined.

1369
02:31:26,600 --> 02:31:36,720
So it's not like you cherry picked a lowest 25% performance day, and there is no safety issue at that intersection.

1370
02:31:36,980 --> 02:31:38,020
That's the city's position.

1371
02:31:38,900 --> 02:31:44,740
I can't unequivocally say that there's no safety issue, but we have a traffic study that says there's no significant impacts when there's very clear.

1372
02:31:44,740 --> 02:31:50,800
there. Okay, thank you. So is there a safety issue at the intersection or not?

1373
02:31:54,040 --> 02:32:03,100
Well, I think the cumulative impact will make it unsafe, but I don't really see, I thought

1374
02:32:03,100 --> 02:32:09,120
you were bringing Matt up to talk about, like, what could we possibly do to attach a condition of

1375
02:32:09,120 --> 02:32:15,120
approval, because I don't really see one. I don't quite get how we would say to the council,

1376
02:32:15,120 --> 02:32:20,500
well, we have to fix that intersection before we approve this project, because, you know,

1377
02:32:21,520 --> 02:32:26,080
in what I'm saying, we should separate them, but I think there's a general concern

1378
02:32:26,080 --> 02:32:33,420
this intersection doesn't pass the eye test, so I, I, again, is there something, would

1379
02:32:33,420 --> 02:32:39,800
you be comfortable with us saying, hey, yes, tell City Council to do something about

1380
02:32:39,800 --> 02:32:43,960
this intersection so that it feels safer, it's easier to move around, people aren't

1381
02:32:43,960 --> 02:32:50,120
running at diagonal angles, there's a, you know, multiple places across and maybe even consider a traffic light.

1382
02:32:50,320 --> 02:32:54,540
Could you, is there something we can do to address this now versus waiting five to ten years?

1383
02:32:55,680 --> 02:32:59,300
Well, I think obviously, of course, there are things that we can do.

1384
02:32:59,400 --> 02:33:05,860
We have professional staff, we work with consultants, we look at intersections all the time based on community concerns,

1385
02:33:05,880 --> 02:33:11,720
even if the intersections meet all of the requirements for a safe crossing or intersection.

1386
02:33:11,720 --> 02:33:17,240
I think the question though is, is there a condition of approval that could require this?

1387
02:33:17,740 --> 02:33:20,080
I can't answer that question, that's a legal question.

1388
02:33:21,340 --> 02:33:36,300
I can certainly take a recommendation to the council and I can direct my staff to look at this crossing in the context of this project and identify safety improvements if necessary that could be done here.

1389
02:33:36,300 --> 02:33:43,600
I will say that in response to what we heard in the first meeting, and what I heard was

1390
02:33:43,600 --> 02:33:51,200
less about this being an unsafe crossing, and more concerns that the Boys and Girls Club

1391
02:33:51,200 --> 02:33:58,120
believed that they needed the parking in our parking lot to create safe pickup and drop

1392
02:33:58,120 --> 02:33:59,120
off of their students.

1393
02:34:00,620 --> 02:34:05,340
And so we have a meeting with them tomorrow to begin, and the coonier principal, to discuss

1394
02:34:05,340 --> 02:34:13,220
us alternative pickup and drop off options that hopefully will be safer than crossing a major street.

1395
02:34:13,620 --> 02:34:19,720
Hopefully, we'll allow them to do pickup and drop off on the side of the street that the event center is.

1396
02:34:19,920 --> 02:34:27,560
So I could certainly, and I'm willing to and happy to commit, regardless of what happens tonight,

1397
02:34:27,560 --> 02:34:35,620
that we will have my staff look at this crossing and do whatever analysis we can to determine

1398
02:34:35,620 --> 02:34:39,760
if there are safety improvements needed here with or without this project.

1399
02:34:40,200 --> 02:34:42,680
That's, I mean, that's within my authority and it's something I can do.

1400
02:34:43,820 --> 02:34:46,060
I like that idea.

1401
02:34:46,560 --> 02:34:50,020
I mean, you've done it with, you're doing it now with Redondo Beach Road when all the

1402
02:34:50,020 --> 02:34:50,900
residents came out.

1403
02:34:51,120 --> 02:34:57,240
So I trust that you will look at this because we want it safe for the senior farm workers

1404
02:34:57,240 --> 02:34:59,980
that will potentially live there, you know, the kids that are

1405
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:11,340
We're being dropped off across the street and whatever circulation plan the school creates for them. So I would be happy with that, Matthew. Thank you.

1406
02:35:11,560 --> 02:35:20,380
I would just thank you for that. Can you use realistic numbers, like in terms of the addition of cars?

1407
02:35:20,380 --> 02:35:24,760
Can we use top 5% usage weekends as a standard?

1408
02:35:26,380 --> 02:35:31,120
And for this project, we're ignoring a few things on purpose.

1409
02:35:31,460 --> 02:35:36,280
So we're ignoring that there will be a lot of visitors.

1410
02:35:36,920 --> 02:35:38,440
They will use a lot of parking.

1411
02:35:38,780 --> 02:35:41,340
There will be a lot more traffic in and out of that driveway.

1412
02:35:42,060 --> 02:35:45,340
So just use realistic numbers when you're doing that.

1413
02:35:45,340 --> 02:35:54,620
not just the, you know, 40 couples who 30% don't have cars, like that's not real, okay, that's all, thanks.

1414
02:35:55,040 --> 02:36:01,080
I will consult with our Public Works Director, City Engineer, to try to develop the best standard for what's realistic here.

1415
02:36:01,220 --> 02:36:06,800
Yeah, I think, I want to be careful that we're not attacking city staff.

1416
02:36:07,380 --> 02:36:13,280
I think people are operating in good faith, it's just, it's hard to pull all of these things together and

1417
02:36:13,280 --> 02:36:22,300
and draw the perfect conclusion, especially when there's a lot of aspirations signed to this project but no clear use plan in many cases.

1418
02:36:22,760 --> 02:36:32,440
And so I think it's we're hearing overwhelming feedback from everybody from everywhere all at once.

1419
02:36:32,960 --> 02:36:41,720
And so we're trying to process that and communicate the concern of we want everybody just wants to get the intersection addressed.

1420
02:36:42,320 --> 02:36:46,800
That's the focus, and that would, I think, go a long way towards bringing everybody

1421
02:36:46,800 --> 02:36:50,660
else along for this particular project, and that's part of what we want to do.

1422
02:36:51,680 --> 02:36:53,820
And to your point, I don't feel attacked.

1423
02:36:53,940 --> 02:36:54,740
I don't feel attacked.

1424
02:36:55,520 --> 02:36:56,900
I just want to make sure that-

1425
02:36:56,900 --> 02:37:03,060
I want to make sure, you know, it's clear, we're going to operate from, you know, standards

1426
02:37:03,060 --> 02:37:04,980
and reality and not from fears.

1427
02:37:05,820 --> 02:37:09,420
But I think a lot of this is fear driven, and we want to make sure we're operating

1428
02:37:09,420 --> 02:37:11,380
do you meet from a more realistic?

1429
02:37:11,440 --> 02:37:15,320
You operate in this sphere all the time, so I know you used to take in the feedback,

1430
02:37:15,340 --> 02:37:20,020
but I think we should look at the top five percent usage weekends, like busy weekends.

1431
02:37:20,920 --> 02:37:24,360
Because tonight was a very busy weekend for this particular intersection,

1432
02:37:24,480 --> 02:37:29,200
and it's an example of, they were observable, unsafe situations, right?

1433
02:37:29,440 --> 02:37:30,700
And that's okay, it happens.

1434
02:37:31,540 --> 02:37:35,880
Fortunately, nobody was injured, and there's a lot of energy, which is great.

1435
02:37:36,040 --> 02:37:37,580
It's good to have that at a planning commission meeting.

1436
02:37:39,420 --> 02:37:43,680
Okay, I'd like to, are we covered on the safety principles?

1437
02:37:43,700 --> 02:37:44,400
Thank you, Matthew.

1438
02:37:44,540 --> 02:37:44,900
Thanks, Matt.

1439
02:37:45,720 --> 02:37:48,460
I'd like to talk about, again,

1440
02:37:52,800 --> 02:38:00,240
same vein, there's an issue around parking, which is not the applicant's responsibility to deal with.

1441
02:38:01,100 --> 02:38:10,540
But it's the same issue that's being raised, and there is a plan to have a plan for parking.

1442
02:38:11,240 --> 02:38:14,240
And there's some conditions of approval that have been changed.

1443
02:38:14,500 --> 02:38:22,180
But my view is that, and I'm always have to filter things, right?

1444
02:38:22,660 --> 02:38:24,340
Some people say there's going to be no impact.

1445
02:38:24,980 --> 02:38:28,360
Some people are going to be, say it's the end of the farmer's market as we know it.

1446
02:38:28,520 --> 02:38:32,680
My God, and some people are just, man, it's going to be really hard to park.

1447
02:38:32,980 --> 02:38:34,720
And there's lots of different opinions there.

1448
02:38:35,960 --> 02:38:41,860
What we were supposed to do in 1995 under the downtown specific plan is we were supposed to come up with a

1449
02:38:43,180 --> 02:38:45,680
traffic management program for this area.

1450
02:38:46,920 --> 02:38:47,920
And it hasn't happened.

1451
02:38:49,360 --> 02:38:52,280
And we are increasing use for lots of different ways.

1452
02:38:52,480 --> 02:38:57,680
So same thing, I'd like to see something more substantial for the parking.

1453
02:38:57,840 --> 02:38:59,320
It's not the applicant's responsibility.

1454
02:38:59,320 --> 02:39:04,420
I think that the city, though, is the sponsor of the project is the person who's conveying the use

1455
02:39:04,420 --> 02:39:09,040
the use of the property, I think we need to come up with a more coherent plan for the area.

1456
02:39:09,680 --> 02:39:17,420
And I think that's another piece of direction that we have to do as part of this project because it's not the applicant.

1457
02:39:17,720 --> 02:39:22,180
It's not the affordable housing projects responsibility to fix the parking issue.

1458
02:39:22,520 --> 02:39:27,760
It's the city's responsibility to get it done, I don't think we can hang it on the project.

1459
02:39:28,180 --> 02:39:29,220
I think that's really important.

1460
02:39:29,480 --> 02:39:34,400
So Matt, if you're the same direction, we'd like to just make sure that we have something that's

1461
02:39:35,580 --> 02:39:40,660
more substantial and really addresses the concerns of not soaking up all the parking.

1462
02:39:41,180 --> 02:39:43,820
And so that we can keep things like the farmer's market running.

1463
02:39:43,840 --> 02:39:50,060
We can keep that awesome hub of the city, something that's accessible and usable by people.

1464
02:39:50,240 --> 02:39:54,840
And I know I read the traffic, the parking study, and I appreciate what it says.

1465
02:39:55,200 --> 02:39:59,940
But I am a little skeptical of it, I'll just leave it at that.

1466
02:40:00,910 --> 02:40:15,410
And again, we hear lots of feedback from lots of people. Some people throw up fud just to make a project go away. I get that, but it's, I think a legitimate concern from a lot of people. And it's not just the naysayers, if you will.

1467
02:40:16,890 --> 02:40:29,470
So my opinion is the parking will change substantially, and I thought that the explanation

1468
02:40:29,470 --> 02:40:40,650
of parking was poor, we're being sold on, it's just not going to have any impact,

1469
02:40:47,150 --> 02:40:47,150
it's

1470
02:40:47,150 --> 02:40:55,390
39 studio or not 39 it was 31 and eight or whatever that if there was mostly studios

1471
02:40:56,850 --> 02:41:02,230
Then really you would have a lot less because you would not have families living there and you wouldn't have

1472
02:41:02,830 --> 02:41:06,710
More cars not just from the families, but from people visiting those families

1473
02:41:06,710 --> 02:41:09,070
You know

1474
02:41:09,930 --> 02:41:11,810
If it skews old

1475
02:41:12,630 --> 02:41:16,530
55 isn't exactly old, but if it skews old

1476
02:41:17,150 --> 02:41:24,910
Then there is a slightly less impact because people do use their cars less, own cars less.

1477
02:41:25,090 --> 02:41:25,930
I get that a little bit.

1478
02:41:26,590 --> 02:41:31,790
But if you have all one bedrooms, it's going to skew younger, and it's going to be more

1479
02:41:31,790 --> 02:41:39,890
people, and it's going to be more use, and we haven't even talked about alas using this

1480
02:41:39,890 --> 02:41:45,490
the space for events and how all those events are going to impact it on a daily basis.

1481
02:41:47,150 --> 02:41:51,370
All the people who come in cars to pick up food to bring to the farm workers,

1482
02:41:51,850 --> 02:41:57,850
all the people who come in cars to drop off food to the people who live there.

1483
02:41:58,430 --> 02:42:05,490
I mean, there's just going to, when you have older people, there's going to be more visitors on a daily basis.

1484
02:42:05,490 --> 02:42:11,930
So, I just feel like you need to limit the number of people that are there and limit

1485
02:42:11,930 --> 02:42:13,170
the size of the units.

1486
02:42:14,590 --> 02:42:19,330
Otherwise, you're going to have a bigger and bigger parking problem.

1487
02:42:19,550 --> 02:42:24,090
If super-density plays a part here, I don't think there's anything we can do.

1488
02:42:24,530 --> 02:42:30,110
I think the fact that all of this is, or Mercy is coming to us and saying, hey, we're

1489
02:42:30,110 --> 02:42:31,650
willing to reduce this down.

1490
02:42:32,310 --> 02:42:56,350
A significant amount is helpful, I do think this is, I mean we can make a recommendation on this would be like from a planning perspective going from 85 to 118 people, which is kind of the rate 118 people is I think the upper bound for this complex with the number of people we have here.

1491
02:42:56,350 --> 02:43:09,770
So, changing 20 or 30 residents by itself, I don't think it's going to have a material, my opinion, I don't think it's going to impact parking 100%.

1492
02:43:10,350 --> 02:43:15,070
I think the bigger issue is we need to come up with a parking plan for that area.

1493
02:43:15,370 --> 02:43:26,130
And I think if City Council wants to provide direction on reducing the number of units, then okay, that's fine.

1494
02:43:26,130 --> 02:43:31,790
But I don't know so I don't I don't think we have the ability to do it under super density law

1495
02:43:31,790 --> 02:43:37,170
But well, I think we do because we could send it back for what the city council already approved

1496
02:43:37,170 --> 02:43:43,530
Okay, like we're not saying you know, we're not limiting the height or saying that the city council

1497
02:43:44,330 --> 02:43:45,530
approved a project

1498
02:43:46,150 --> 02:43:50,730
Our NRFQ the ENA and so we're going to send it back to them

1499
02:43:51,330 --> 02:43:56,010
In that shape they can always change it if they want to but I think that

1500
02:43:56,130 --> 02:44:08,710
we need to be mindful of how much impact it is going to have. I mean, it really will.

1501
02:44:09,110 --> 02:44:17,110
There's no doubt about the impact. And so, you know, I think it's fair game to send

1502
02:44:17,110 --> 02:44:20,970
it back to the council as it was instead of as it is.

1503
02:44:20,970 --> 02:44:33,170
But we're asked to look at an application for a PDP that has five stories, and that's

1504
02:44:33,170 --> 02:44:35,210
what our purview is right now.

1505
02:44:35,530 --> 02:44:40,890
And so I'm just, I understand what you're saying, and I think, you know, whatever the planning

1506
02:44:40,890 --> 02:44:44,030
commission wishes to do, but I can't connect that dot yet.

1507
02:44:44,990 --> 02:44:50,910
Because it's what the Council has approved, where we're sending back to the Council what it has approved.

1508
02:44:51,330 --> 02:44:52,930
I'll try and thread the needle.

1509
02:44:53,110 --> 02:44:55,590
Don't creep is very real here.

1510
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:29,980
I would like to thread the needle and state that. And, Rick, you asked this in your question number 10, and I went through the answer. And you were, you asked about the fact, hey, the city owns the land, you know, can we redirect some of the two bedrooms to go back to studios? Okay, so I don't need to repeat your question number 10. It's in the, on the town website. But city staff or council said that the city council has authority to decide

1511
02:45:29,980 --> 02:45:31,860
what to do with City on land.

1512
02:45:32,440 --> 02:45:38,860
The City Council has authorized mercy housing to apply for a CDP for this project, and

1513
02:45:38,860 --> 02:45:44,360
has entered into an ENA with mercy to enable this application.

1514
02:45:44,980 --> 02:45:52,620
And when City Council approved that ENA, the pro forma attached to that stated 31 studios and

1515
02:45:52,620 --> 02:45:54,100
9-1 bedroom apartments.

1516
02:45:54,360 --> 02:45:59,020
And that's what they then directed City staff to do.

1517
02:45:59,020 --> 02:46:13,720
the enactment of the ENA, so that's where we get back to the original proposal that was approved by the City Council in the June 2023 meeting.

1518
02:46:14,360 --> 02:46:24,520
And since that time, a new, what they call it, a development financial performance has not been submitted that shows five stories,

1519
02:46:25,720 --> 02:46:32,540
increase size to the resource center, and the number of two bedrooms that had changed.

1520
02:46:33,080 --> 02:46:34,180
So anyway, that's it.

1521
02:46:35,460 --> 02:46:38,280
I hope that makes sense, and I'm

1522
02:46:44,100 --> 02:46:44,560
sorry, Matt.

1523
02:46:45,160 --> 02:46:49,520
I'm hoping I can make a quick clarification, and I apologize for not having all this information

1524
02:46:49,520 --> 02:46:50,080
earlier.

1525
02:46:50,960 --> 02:46:55,840
Obviously, this has been a long process, and a lot has happened in the last few years.

1526
02:46:55,840 --> 02:47:02,600
I want to clarify a couple things, I'm not sure it impacts a discussion, but I think it's important to get the record clear.

1527
02:47:04,000 --> 02:47:10,540
All the council, and I think you did a great job, Chair Powell, sort of clarifying it, that the council authorize the ENA.

1528
02:47:10,740 --> 02:47:19,680
They have not approved any project, they've authorized an ENA, based on the evolution of this project, and I was able to confirm some dates.

1529
02:47:19,680 --> 02:47:39,940
So the five-story current, not the exact current, because it evolved with the AAC hearings, that CDP application was submitted June, or I don't know exactly the date, but it was seen by the AAC June 8 of 2023.

1530
02:47:40,780 --> 02:47:44,540
The council was briefed before the June 20th meeting.

1531
02:47:45,760 --> 02:47:49,320
And I'm not saying I cannot speak for the council on this.

1532
02:47:49,980 --> 02:48:02,040
They were aware of how this project had evolved, that it was a five-story project with the mix that was presented to you here when they approved the extension of the ENA.

1533
02:48:02,360 --> 02:48:06,520
I'm not saying that they said this is the project we're approving, but

1534
02:48:06,520 --> 02:48:14,240
But they had full understanding of how the project had evolved at that point when they authorize the extension of the NA.

1535
02:48:14,680 --> 02:48:21,800
Again, the NA is not approval of a project or even them saying we agree with this project.

1536
02:48:22,360 --> 02:48:28,080
What I'm saying is if we're going to say that they didn't know what they were approving at that time, they did.

1537
02:48:28,080 --> 02:48:32,680
that those plans were submitted well in advance of that June 20th meeting.

1538
02:48:33,380 --> 02:48:35,960
And they had been briefed on it at that time.

1539
02:48:36,600 --> 02:48:39,540
Sotomayor, do you mean the five-story, because this is correct?

1540
02:48:39,840 --> 02:48:49,460
Because this is very different, and it states it's in the staff report, it states and it was on consent.

1541
02:48:50,320 --> 02:48:54,180
And I don't know if the pro forma had not been updated, I don't know, but.

1542
02:48:54,180 --> 02:49:01,600
But that whole plan has been submitted at five stories with the two bedroom units.

1543
02:49:02,620 --> 02:49:09,240
That was public information, and the council had been briefed on that iteration that that's where we are at the time.

1544
02:49:09,560 --> 02:49:13,800
Okay, because I did go through the packet there, and I didn't see the new plan.

1545
02:49:14,000 --> 02:49:14,680
No, they weren't attached.

1546
02:49:15,000 --> 02:49:17,340
They were not attached to the staff report.

1547
02:49:17,580 --> 02:49:18,460
That's why I didn't see that.

1548
02:49:18,460 --> 02:49:23,720
And that's why I don't want to create an impression that the council blessed this version

1549
02:49:23,720 --> 02:49:27,300
They haven't approved anything because they haven't approved any of these things.

1550
02:49:27,680 --> 02:49:30,940
You gave them an update and said there's this thing coming along, and right now it's

1551
02:49:30,940 --> 02:49:31,500
five stories.

1552
02:49:31,900 --> 02:49:36,800
They've seen the plans, and they were public documents, and they had already gone through

1553
02:49:36,800 --> 02:49:38,340
the first round of AAC review.

1554
02:49:38,500 --> 02:49:43,680
Was it like a five-minute conversation, or was it a, like, it was more than a conversation?

1555
02:49:43,820 --> 02:49:48,600
It was on consent, so they didn't, they didn't discuss it at all at that meeting.

1556
02:49:48,960 --> 02:49:50,000
I'm going to leave it at that.

1557
02:49:50,000 --> 02:49:55,400
our council is well aware of where things were going. I think I probably let this get

1558
02:49:55,400 --> 02:49:59,960
out of the scope of what we should be talking about. I just wanted to clarify that with

1559
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:04,860
It's a record, the timing, because it seems that that is being used for some of the decision making tonight.

1560
02:50:10,480 --> 02:50:21,600
Thank you, yeah. I just wanted to note that the application that was submitted was signed by a representative of the city as the landowner.

1561
02:50:22,120 --> 02:50:31,200
So I don't think that any deviation from what was in the ENA is a basis to deny the project here.

1562
02:50:31,200 --> 02:50:37,320
However, so I would just recommend that if you're considering conditions or denial that it be based on

1563
02:50:38,440 --> 02:50:46,420
Consistency with the Coastal Act and the local Coastal Land Use Plan. Of course, if you want to, you know, make comments as we have,

1564
02:50:46,700 --> 02:50:55,060
you know, raise concerns that the City Council may want to consider the change in scope as part of their in their capacity as a

1565
02:50:56,180 --> 02:51:03,080
That's fine, but I would not recommend making that the basis for changes to the project or a denial of the project.

1566
02:51:04,260 --> 02:51:05,160
Thank you, winter.

1567
02:51:06,940 --> 02:51:07,800
Through the chair.

1568
02:51:09,540 --> 02:51:19,200
So I continue to believe we have to make a decision on the project at hand, and I believe it would be illegal to try to fudge around with parking limits.

1569
02:51:19,200 --> 02:51:26,320
And I do agree with Commissioner Hernandez that parking is an issue in that bigger region.

1570
02:51:26,980 --> 02:51:32,060
And to be honest, I mean, everything that will happen in the city in the next five or

1571
02:51:32,060 --> 02:51:35,100
ten years, if it has anything to do with downtown viability,

1572
02:51:36,040 --> 02:51:42,440
a more healthier businesses on Main Street, more people moving into new residences,

1573
02:51:42,740 --> 02:51:49,020
more mixed use, retail, and residential things are going to be a burden on parking.

1574
02:51:49,020 --> 02:51:56,820
So we don't realize how spoiled we have been with our parking in Hathman Bay and it's not going to

1575
02:51:57,700 --> 02:52:03,740
continue this way. We're all going to have to wrap our minds around the fact if you, if you want

1576
02:52:03,740 --> 02:52:09,820
me to, I'll take you around a choice places on the peninsula where you'd thank your stars if you

1577
02:52:09,820 --> 02:52:16,480
were able to park within two blocks of the store you want to shop at. So anyway, I am in favor of

1578
02:52:16,480 --> 02:52:29,800
If the idea of us encouraging the city, perhaps not putting it all on the city manager, but through our city council contacts to prioritize a look at housing.

1579
02:52:30,400 --> 02:52:36,300
I'm sorry, look at parking not only in the region of where we are right now, but throughout downtown.

1580
02:52:37,400 --> 02:52:43,080
But don't you can't, there's nothing we can do about it with this specific project.

1581
02:52:44,600 --> 02:52:51,800
I have a couple of things, and I'm wondering if these can be, what I'm about to say can be

1582
02:52:51,800 --> 02:53:00,740
conditions of approval. Perhaps if Mercy can figure out how their work force for the

1583
02:53:00,740 --> 02:53:06,060
construction travels here. I don't know how many more cars are going to be coming here.

1584
02:53:06,220 --> 02:53:12,940
I don't know how many more trucks or whatever. But is it possible for Mercy to have like a pool

1585
02:53:12,940 --> 02:53:19,780
transportation from wherever they're bringing folks in to here and then have an

1586
02:53:19,780 --> 02:53:24,780
agreement with somebody to have parking away from this area during construction.

1587
02:53:25,840 --> 02:53:33,140
And then also figure out where you stage all your equipment at a different location and

1588
02:53:33,140 --> 02:53:41,420
maybe even carpooling people from that location to the site so that the traffic in here is not a problem.

1589
02:53:42,080 --> 02:53:48,400
So, it's things like that that I would also like to see mercy look at.

1590
02:53:49,920 --> 02:53:53,900
And then, you know, because of the construction workers and they're going to be working here

1591
02:53:53,900 --> 02:53:57,260
all the time, this is just a thing I'm asking.

1592
02:53:58,220 --> 02:54:02,440
Would somebody like all us provide daily meals for the construction workers?

1593
02:54:02,700 --> 02:54:04,080
I mean, I think that would be a good thing.

1594
02:54:06,040 --> 02:54:09,060
So I'm just, I'm, look, I'm just putting it out there.

1595
02:54:09,460 --> 02:54:10,480
Let's talk about it.

1596
02:54:10,480 --> 02:54:14,040
I mean, maybe it's not going to matter at all.

1597
02:54:14,240 --> 02:54:21,300
I mean, there's a question of what is the current traffic plan, sorry, I had to jump in.

1598
02:54:24,840 --> 02:54:27,040
What is the state, what is the plan for construction?

1599
02:54:27,200 --> 02:54:29,080
There are typically conditions of approval.

1600
02:54:29,260 --> 02:54:32,440
We don't want to have construction workers parking in Shoreline.

1601
02:54:33,840 --> 02:54:37,180
So we need to just make sure that one of the conditions of approval is the city,

1602
02:54:37,180 --> 02:54:43,540
shall adopt a man at parking management plan, that addresses

1603
02:54:46,200 --> 02:54:49,280
the limited parking capacity at Shoreline Station.

1604
02:54:49,540 --> 02:54:52,300
And I'm sure City can put something, the staff can put something together.

1605
02:54:52,380 --> 02:54:54,880
I don't think we need to burden all of us with-

1606
02:54:55,720 --> 02:54:58,880
Well, they might want to do that, I mean, because it's, you know, helping with it.

1607
02:54:58,900 --> 02:54:59,980
It's on our, it's on our...

1608
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:29,480
The things that maybe you can think about if you want to come back with additional things. The other thing is maybe, you know, a lot of companies, we can't do that, we can't do that, though, just like that's not something we can ask us to do. We can ask to have a coherent parking plan as part of this project that does not interfere with the normal business of shoreline station. I think that's fine. That's fine. Okay.

1609
02:55:29,480 --> 02:55:34,980
What about hiring project managers that live on the coast side, including a 10% preference for

1610
02:55:34,980 --> 02:55:38,620
hiring local workforce for all construction trades?

1611
02:55:43,190 --> 02:55:47,990
Does the city have a standard on local trade?

1612
02:55:53,340 --> 02:55:56,560
So in other words, trying to employ more of construction workers on the coast.

1613
02:55:56,740 --> 02:55:57,840
That's what I'm trying to get at.

1614
02:55:58,020 --> 02:55:59,480
Local workforce for the project?

1615
02:56:00,180 --> 02:56:05,720
Yes, a, you know, a condition to say that there's a preference for that.

1616
02:56:05,720 --> 02:56:10,640
that? Can you recognize winner?

1617
02:56:12,100 --> 02:56:17,120
Yeah, I was just going to suggest, and of course it's up to you, but I'm wondering if you

1618
02:56:17,120 --> 02:56:22,540
maybe want to get all the ideas on the table and get a motion together so that I can understand

1619
02:56:22,540 --> 02:56:28,700
whether these conditions are something that are part of a motion that is going forward and

1620
02:56:28,700 --> 02:56:35,420
And then we can talk about it, you know, we can point to there are already some conditions

1621
02:56:35,420 --> 02:56:40,740
of approval related to construction plans and encroachment permits in right of way and

1622
02:56:40,740 --> 02:56:41,460
things like that.

1623
02:56:41,840 --> 02:56:50,740
So we could come through and see if any of those need kind of beefing up, but it might be

1624
02:56:50,740 --> 02:56:54,920
helpful just to get everything on the table and get a sense of which ones the commission wants

1625
02:56:54,920 --> 02:56:57,440
to pursue before diving into each one.

1626
02:57:01,460 --> 02:57:06,400
So there's things for the CDP, but we also have architectural review, which we haven't done yet.

1627
02:57:08,380 --> 02:57:13,880
So I'll just hit a couple of points on architectural review and just provide feedback to the applicant.

1628
02:57:15,240 --> 02:57:19,680
We don't have clear objective design criteria for downtown Half Moon Bay.

1629
02:57:19,680 --> 02:57:30,460
We have a pattern of design feedback that we normally go through, which one of those steps was missed in this project, not your fault.

1630
02:57:31,680 --> 02:57:44,720
We also didn't provide you as a city, did not provide you we as a city, did not provide you with clear design guidelines up front as to what conforms with our expectations of downtown.

1631
02:57:44,720 --> 02:57:50,780
And so I think it's, there's been a process with AAC where the

1632
02:57:55,160 --> 02:57:57,860
sum of the feedback was heard and some of it was incorporated.

1633
02:57:58,200 --> 02:58:03,360
Other pieces of feedback that members of AAC regard as critical were ignored.

1634
02:58:04,820 --> 02:58:17,550
At this point for a project of this scope given the fact that you weren't given what I would consider to be clear design criteria upfront.

1635
02:58:17,550 --> 02:58:19,770
It's hard for me to burden you with things.

1636
02:58:19,950 --> 02:58:22,710
I will say you've made progress on this.

1637
02:58:22,990 --> 02:58:28,470
What I would say for AAC that we should be looking at from architectural review perspective is, first of all,

1638
02:58:29,090 --> 02:58:32,330
it's functional, it's safe, it meets all the building standards.

1639
02:58:32,530 --> 02:58:38,750
Those things are fine, the patio area upstairs seems like a fantastic design.

1640
02:58:40,490 --> 02:58:47,190
I am for a project as exceptional as this in terms of size.

1641
02:58:47,530 --> 02:58:58,860
It doesn't have very strong character and it doesn't incorporate major architectural styles found in the rest of half of the bay and I'll focus on three things.

1642
02:58:59,660 --> 02:59:08,500
One, the major building material is like a sandstone brick, some most prominent material, especially if you come around the back side of the building.

1643
02:59:08,500 --> 02:59:13,520
If I understand it correctly, whatever that for the Towers, what's in the Towers?

1644
02:59:17,920 --> 02:59:19,420
Maybe we could open it up.

1645
02:59:19,700 --> 02:59:20,940
Can you come up to the mic?

1646
02:59:21,080 --> 02:59:22,180
Yes, let's just hear you.

1647
02:59:22,660 --> 02:59:22,820
Thanks.

1648
02:59:24,680 --> 02:59:30,200
The primary material of the four-story elements is the five-story.

1649
02:59:30,580 --> 02:59:37,580
Of the four-story elements, which are the two wings face on to Kelly and face on the site

1650
02:59:37,580 --> 02:59:41,820
drive that have the vertical lines in the drawing.

1651
02:59:41,820 --> 02:59:49,240
those are that's Bordenbatten which is very common to the town and then the

1652
02:59:49,240 --> 02:59:55,600
predominant brown which is a center which is the five-story element is shingles

1653
02:59:55,600 --> 02:59:58,100
is cement for cement board changes.

1654
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:05,860
So those are very common in Half Room Bay and throughout the coast, every place.

1655
03:00:09,720 --> 03:00:15,420
The appearance that I've seen in the architectural, this is my first chance to give feedback on this.

1656
03:00:16,940 --> 03:00:21,260
Comes across as a brick type interface.

1657
03:00:21,480 --> 03:00:30,280
If it's shingles, it's shingles, but it seems foreign in design to Half Room Bay.

1658
03:00:30,280 --> 03:00:37,220
I would encourage you to look at the materials and make sure the color and the texture is consistent with other buildings in downtown.

1659
03:00:38,040 --> 03:00:42,260
The third thing is a piece of feedback from what I have is just on the roof lines.

1660
03:00:42,520 --> 03:00:55,140
There are these pieces of, I'm not even sure how you describe an ornamentation that's been attached to the underside of the roof in an effort to the brackets to conform with perceived design.

1661
03:00:55,140 --> 03:01:00,520
I'm not aware of any design in the downtown half moon bay that uses that particular approach.

1662
03:01:02,840 --> 03:01:04,960
I think this is an acceptable design.

1663
03:01:05,520 --> 03:01:16,980
I would encourage you to look at the project on Perissima and Mill, the relatively new project.

1664
03:01:17,460 --> 03:01:23,300
I think this is one that my understanding as Chad Hooker was trying to have you guys maybe take a look at that.

1665
03:01:23,780 --> 03:01:32,720
It's a softer brow line, it pushes the roof back, and it incorporates elements that hide the massing of the building, and it might be more effective for blending the building in.

1666
03:01:33,220 --> 03:01:34,380
It would be my suggestion.

1667
03:01:34,880 --> 03:01:37,100
I'm not going to say you need to change anything.

1668
03:01:37,540 --> 03:01:40,020
At this point, you've got a design, you've got nowhere you are.

1669
03:01:40,560 --> 03:01:47,280
But I think the other benefit you would get by doing that is it could also create a windbreak for you that has a double effect.

1670
03:01:47,280 --> 03:01:55,120
It makes it easier to use the space and it makes heights the mass a little bit more.

1671
03:01:55,560 --> 03:01:59,840
I can just say that we're always open,

1672
03:02:02,010 --> 03:02:05,070
huge changes to the building, including flipping the open space,

1673
03:02:07,420 --> 03:02:09,140
to achieve the program that was required.

1674
03:02:12,780 --> 03:02:19,820
Those recommendations will take them into consideration and if we feel we can do it within and

1675
03:02:24,430 --> 03:02:29,290
working with staff, then we would gladly continue to look at the refinements of it.

1676
03:02:29,290 --> 03:02:43,830
I would give a strong, we've done this in the past, I'd give a stronger recommendation to staff to work with you, to better incorporate the design so that it's more consistent with what we see in Half Moon Bay.

1677
03:02:44,190 --> 03:02:57,950
And I think you guys have made a lot of progress, I just think we, I want every project in downtown to be outstanding, I'm willing to accept above average and I think we can get well above average on this project.

1678
03:02:57,950 --> 03:03:05,050
And I think that for especially for something of such an exceptional size and such an exceptional position,

1679
03:03:05,650 --> 03:03:13,010
I think we could do a little bit more and I would give a lot of flexibility with staff to work with you to tighten up the design.

1680
03:03:13,310 --> 03:03:17,590
And that would be a condition of approval that I would attach from an architectural review perspective.

1681
03:03:18,150 --> 03:03:20,450
The other thing is you're welcome.

1682
03:03:20,710 --> 03:03:27,670
And then the other thing is on the mural, I would strongly encourage we have a process for

1683
03:03:27,670 --> 03:03:57,650
We're putting murals up and so I would encourage the applicant to consider working with the Parks and Recreation Advisory Commission to like work with their program for putting murals together totally at your discretion I think but they've done a good job of citing and providing feedback on materials and making things work in a way that's, you know we've got some very good successes with and some of the murals that having gone through them

1684
03:03:57,650 --> 03:04:04,490
Maybe they're not as good, but I think it's a program and we're trying to get better in the downtown and I think as a partner,

1685
03:04:06,350 --> 03:04:13,090
I'm going to give you 100% the benefit of the doubt that you want to get to the best looking project you can because we all want to hang our hat on it, right?

1686
03:04:14,150 --> 03:04:20,630
So, through the Chair, so it is true I am getting a little tired.

1687
03:04:22,630 --> 03:04:31,790
I think that to Winters Point that we should make a motion to approve this project with

1688
03:04:31,790 --> 03:04:37,350
certain conditions of approval, and those conditions of approval have to say that we strongly

1689
03:04:37,350 --> 03:04:41,310
recommend that the City Council, for instance,

1690
03:04:48,220 --> 03:04:49,740
I don't know what the language would be, but

1691
03:04:49,740 --> 03:04:58,580
that the City Council would strongly reconsider the original plan that there has been creep

1692
03:04:58,580 --> 03:04:59,760
since the E.

1693
03:05:00,370 --> 03:05:29,390
Since the plan was first approved, you know, given. And I don't know this actually is a legal question. But I'm but so, but it's, but so winter actually made it really clear. We're not, we're not saying that we want to limit the high. We're not saying that we want to limit the parking. But what we are saying is that. The earlier projects.

1694
03:05:29,390 --> 03:05:37,730
had less impact, and that they should seriously consider the earlier projects that had less impact,

1695
03:05:38,170 --> 03:05:44,370
which does translate into a four-story building with more studios and possibly

1696
03:05:44,370 --> 03:05:51,290
limiting the office space because it's a affordable housing project, not an affordable

1697
03:05:51,290 --> 03:05:56,970
office project. So, these are things that I think we should recommend to the City

1698
03:05:56,970 --> 03:06:07,070
council, along with making sure that they understand that they need to stay on top

1699
03:06:07,070 --> 03:06:18,590
of parking and traffic and design issues as well. But that's what I would float as a motion.

1700
03:06:19,130 --> 03:06:26,450
Well, and that supports their policy of providing affordable housing in half Moon Bay.

1701
03:06:26,830 --> 03:06:29,010
I mean, that is the City Council's number one.

1702
03:06:29,190 --> 03:06:32,890
Well, I think it's their number one priority, affordable housing.

1703
03:06:33,070 --> 03:06:40,130
That's what I hear at the City Council meetings, and that is consistent with their policy for that.

1704
03:06:40,470 --> 03:06:41,950
So I like that idea.

1705
03:06:44,990 --> 03:06:50,110
I don't like that idea to be honest, Commissioner Gordon, because it's not logical.

1706
03:06:50,310 --> 03:06:52,170
We don't send this to City Council.

1707
03:06:52,810 --> 03:06:56,510
We make a decision on it in the next 20 minutes maybe.

1708
03:06:57,970 --> 03:07:03,070
I say we do make a decision in the next 20 minutes and we make a strong,

1709
03:07:03,790 --> 03:07:09,790
we strongly urge the City Council to look at the previous version, which is lower impact.

1710
03:07:10,310 --> 03:07:12,330
I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

1711
03:07:13,310 --> 03:07:17,050
Well, I'll defer to the City Attorney, but I don't think it works that way.

1712
03:07:17,190 --> 03:07:20,770
Can I make a suggestion just to make it proper?

1713
03:07:20,890 --> 03:07:32,260
Maybe, because I, having worked in many engineering organizations, scope creep is a function

1714
03:07:32,260 --> 03:07:36,900
that is prevalent, not just in land use planning, but everything we do in the Silicon Valley.

1715
03:07:36,960 --> 03:07:39,620
So I think that there's some fairness in what you're asking for.

1716
03:07:39,620 --> 03:07:50,940
But maybe, I think maybe the way to do it would be to, I mean, I have an assumption that somebody, no matter what we do, is going to appeal this to the City Council.

1717
03:07:51,480 --> 03:07:54,800
And also, City Council can ask to have this item brought before them.

1718
03:07:55,060 --> 03:07:59,020
I think that's, they can't, okay, somebody has to appeal it in order for it to come to City Council.

1719
03:07:59,160 --> 03:07:59,600
Thank you, Winter.

1720
03:08:01,680 --> 03:08:08,880
So, I would make a motion to approve a project that has come before us with conditions of approval that are

1721
03:08:08,880 --> 03:08:19,040
legally enforceable, and I would also separately make a recommendation to City Council, we make an advisory statement on this project.

1722
03:08:20,400 --> 03:08:36,680
And yeah, and I would also make a second, we haven't discussed another item, which is there is pending legislation coming before us that is going to eliminate this conversation altogether, potentially.

1723
03:08:36,680 --> 03:08:50,120
And so I would also like us to make a strong recommendation that the city prioritize the efforts around responding to the changes in state density bonus law because I strongly suspect we're at least six months behind from where we need to be to prepare for January 2025.

1724
03:08:50,660 --> 03:08:59,740
So I think those are the three things I would do is one, make a motion to approve the project and let's figure out what those conditions are.

1725
03:08:59,740 --> 03:09:29,720
or we have a second motion that would be an advisory statement around this project with respect to actually I want to separate that there's some very specific things I think you guys want to do I want to make sure that no matter what we also have an advisory statement that the city provide clear direct city council provide clear direction to city staff to prioritize fixing the intersection and fixing remediate

1726
03:09:29,720 --> 03:09:32,760
coming up with a coherent parking plan for this area.

1727
03:09:32,920 --> 03:09:34,240
It's not fixed all of downtown.

1728
03:09:34,640 --> 03:09:40,160
Let's fix this area and focus on that, because that's where this is becoming the heart of downtown right now.

1729
03:09:40,480 --> 03:09:41,260
That would be my recommendation.

1730
03:09:41,640 --> 03:09:43,200
So, that's a condition of approval?

1731
03:09:43,380 --> 03:09:46,080
No, it's an advice, an advice, an advice, an advice, an advice.

1732
03:09:46,340 --> 03:09:46,780
Yeah, separate.

1733
03:09:47,000 --> 03:09:51,920
So separate these things out, let's put them in the public, let's get City Council to provide policy

1734
03:09:51,920 --> 03:09:54,240
and direction because they set policy.

1735
03:09:54,720 --> 03:09:58,480
So, it's two things, it's separate.

1736
03:09:58,480 --> 03:09:59,880
So one thing is

1737
03:10:00,080 --> 03:10:12,600
We need to advise the council to make sure that the city pays attention to parking, to that intersection, to architectural review, I guess.

1738
03:10:13,240 --> 03:10:23,980
Well, I would make a condition of approval for the project that, from our architectural review perspective, I find this project consistent with the standards

1739
03:10:23,980 --> 03:10:31,240
of architecture in Half Moon Bay, but given the exceptional nature of this project by its size,

1740
03:10:31,420 --> 03:10:37,200
I would encourage the applicant to continue to work with City staff to refine the design

1741
03:10:37,200 --> 03:10:44,060
guidelines so that it better fits in and potentially masks the scale with the design

1742
03:10:44,060 --> 03:10:50,410
that you have so that even without change it works more coherently.

1743
03:10:50,410 --> 03:10:52,610
But those are, but those three things are separate.

1744
03:10:52,770 --> 03:10:56,150
No, that's actually my condition of approval for architectural reviews.

1745
03:10:56,370 --> 03:11:01,250
So I'm making a addition to finding that we approve this project from a design perspective.

1746
03:11:02,070 --> 03:11:09,650
And provide guidance that the city staff can work with the applicant to continue to refine the design.

1747
03:11:09,830 --> 03:11:12,330
Which is what we've done in the past, on other projects.

1748
03:11:13,450 --> 03:11:19,110
And the architect is eager to address some of these concerns.

1749
03:11:19,110 --> 03:11:22,730
and it would be great to, let's get the architecture apart done.

1750
03:11:22,830 --> 03:11:25,550
Is that an acceptable motion for design perspective?

1751
03:11:26,770 --> 03:11:27,570
Architecture review?

1752
03:11:28,030 --> 03:11:28,970
I'm okay with that.

1753
03:11:29,410 --> 03:11:31,110
Okay, so that's the first part.

1754
03:11:31,390 --> 03:11:32,910
Should we just approve that and move on?

1755
03:11:33,130 --> 03:11:33,270
Okay.

1756
03:11:33,830 --> 03:11:41,790
Can we make a motion to approve architectural review for the item before us?

1757
03:11:42,590 --> 03:11:48,550
That this project conforms with the policies of the local coastal land use plan.

1758
03:11:49,130 --> 03:11:59,250
But would better conform with those if we can, if the applicant has a flexibility to work with city staff to refine the design.

1759
03:11:59,610 --> 03:12:06,810
So doesn't seem like we should make a motion to, I want to make a motion, but let's get the things on it.

1760
03:12:06,850 --> 03:12:17,530
But you're not incorporating what I said, so you're just at it, you're seeing, you're making a motion to have this architecture review.

1761
03:12:17,530 --> 03:12:30,410
you be part of the approval, and I'm saying I need the City Council to strongly consider going to an earlier

1762
03:12:30,410 --> 03:12:32,590
version that they already approved.

1763
03:12:32,750 --> 03:12:35,770
That would be a separate item, I would make that as a separate item.

1764
03:12:36,770 --> 03:12:37,870
I don't think it's a separate item.

1765
03:12:38,130 --> 03:12:45,350
I think it is the item, I think that's what we're, that's the crux of this motion.

1766
03:12:45,950 --> 03:12:47,850
Because, you know,

1767
03:12:49,880 --> 03:12:56,040
what the City Council sort of signed off on before is different than what we're getting.

1768
03:12:56,680 --> 03:13:03,900
So, the City Council needs to know that the Planning Commission strongly recommends that they look at the earlier version.

1769
03:13:05,640 --> 03:13:07,620
I'm absolutely fine with that.

1770
03:13:07,980 --> 03:13:12,900
So, we've got a CDP we need to approve, and we have to go through a process with that.

1771
03:13:12,900 --> 03:13:18,180
And if you want to start with the advisory statement, let's get that off the table and

1772
03:13:18,180 --> 03:13:18,780
do it right now.

1773
03:13:19,140 --> 03:13:20,460
But it's not an advisory statement.

1774
03:13:21,060 --> 03:13:29,080
I would like to start with the things that we can do, like perhaps, you know, having

1775
03:13:29,080 --> 03:13:34,300
the construction workforce, you know, have a 10 percent preference for local hire.

1776
03:13:34,400 --> 03:13:38,380
Well, just a, I'm sorry, a point of order, but Commissioner Hernandez made a motion

1777
03:13:38,380 --> 03:13:39,540
that I'm, I seconded.

1778
03:13:39,540 --> 03:13:47,340
So, yeah, I want to make an improvement, so we can take a vote.

1779
03:13:48,280 --> 03:13:52,840
I will say, since we have the item in front of us, we can keep discussing it.

1780
03:13:53,660 --> 03:13:59,940
I 100% want to make a motion, and you can make the motion on an advisory statement

1781
03:13:59,940 --> 03:14:05,780
that we send to City Council on this project, but either we say yes, it passes

1782
03:14:05,780 --> 03:14:10,800
is architectural review or not, and we can make a vote.

1783
03:14:10,900 --> 03:14:14,100
You can just vote on that and say, no, it doesn't, doesn't meet the standard.

1784
03:14:14,280 --> 03:14:16,240
We can do a yes, no vote on architectural review.

1785
03:14:16,680 --> 03:14:17,240
And that's okay.

1786
03:14:17,720 --> 03:14:21,180
If you say, but it can't be on height.

1787
03:14:21,920 --> 03:14:22,720
No, it's not on height.

1788
03:14:23,380 --> 03:14:27,020
So I don't think anyone really cares like the architectural review.

1789
03:14:27,820 --> 03:14:32,300
I don't, I, I couldn't look at it and tell you architectural review needs to be,

1790
03:14:32,600 --> 03:14:34,240
you know, better or not.

1791
03:14:34,240 --> 03:14:59,960
I have no idea. But what I do know is that the I would want to strongly recommend to the City Council that they look at an earlier version and that that be part of our approval, that it's a condition of approval, that the City Council, that we, that they should know that the Planning Commission strongly urges them to adopt an earlier version and not the approval.

1792
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:07,700
Commissioner Gorn. I think this is a little cleaner and simpler, because we're starting, you know, with, with things

1793
03:15:07,700 --> 03:15:13,940
that are relatively less controversial. Can I make a motion? Can I make two motions?

1794
03:15:15,020 --> 03:15:20,120
Wait, there's a point of clarification. I talked to Winter about this, because I thought

1795
03:15:20,120 --> 03:15:24,680
that maybe you might entertain a motion. Someone else might want, and I think Winter,

1796
03:15:24,680 --> 03:15:32,600
and you could you said to me that we could add on or amend the motion or add into it through

1797
03:15:32,600 --> 03:15:39,620
conditions of approval. Is that correct, winter? Well, so I have two points if I may. One, I don't

1798
03:15:39,620 --> 03:15:43,500
want us to forget that we have to make a sequel finding if you are going to approve the project.

1799
03:15:43,500 --> 03:15:48,200
We typically do that first because it's a prerequisite and I know there were some questions about the

1800
03:15:48,200 --> 03:15:52,260
applicability of the exemption, so I just want to keep that on the table.

1801
03:15:52,260 --> 03:15:57,720
And then the conversation we were having was about, if there's a motion and then someone

1802
03:15:57,720 --> 03:16:02,320
wants to do a different motion, and I think the appropriate process would be, you know,

1803
03:16:02,380 --> 03:16:06,120
if there's a motion and a second, there can be discussion about it.

1804
03:16:06,440 --> 03:16:13,400
And then if there's a proposal to amend the motion, we can consider that, or if the person

1805
03:16:13,400 --> 03:16:18,340
who originally made the motion wants to abandon the motion so that somebody else can bring

1806
03:16:18,340 --> 03:16:21,080
another one, that's the conversation to have around that.

1807
03:16:21,080 --> 03:16:33,920
But so far, I've heard one motion and a second for sort of a partial approval of the project focused solely on the architectural review criteria.

1808
03:16:35,260 --> 03:16:39,240
And so I hear you talking about it and-

1809
03:16:39,860 --> 03:16:46,420
But you're also directing us to take a look at sequest, so maybe what I should do is two things.

1810
03:16:46,420 --> 03:16:49,420
One, I'm going to pull back my motion.

1811
03:16:51,180 --> 03:16:52,520
What's the right word to use here?

1812
03:16:52,680 --> 03:16:53,380
Maybe with draw?

1813
03:16:53,640 --> 03:16:54,940
I withdraw my motion.

1814
03:16:56,800 --> 03:17:00,540
And I'd like us to talk about sequel, but we should probably do two things.

1815
03:17:00,540 --> 03:17:03,660
One is extend, make a motion to extend the meeting till midnight.

1816
03:17:05,800 --> 03:17:07,440
We don't want to make a second motion.

1817
03:17:07,820 --> 03:17:10,020
We want to be able to get through this, okay?

1818
03:17:11,780 --> 03:17:13,960
Can I make a motion to extend the meeting to midnight?

1819
03:17:14,480 --> 03:17:15,240
What would you say?

1820
03:17:16,260 --> 03:17:17,660
I would second that.

1821
03:17:18,080 --> 03:17:18,660
All in favor?

1822
03:17:19,420 --> 03:17:19,820
Yes.

1823
03:17:20,220 --> 03:17:20,940
I should approve.

1824
03:17:21,260 --> 03:17:27,780
Okay, so can I also make a recommendation that we maybe take a five-minute break for people to clear their minds,

1825
03:17:28,140 --> 03:17:32,100
get a little water, do whatever you need to do, because we're going to get into the meaty part of this.

1826
03:17:32,220 --> 03:17:35,020
And I want, I would like us all to be as focused as possible.

1827
03:17:35,120 --> 03:17:35,580
Could you do that?

1828
03:17:35,840 --> 03:17:37,300
Of course, five-minute break.

1829
03:26:34,740 --> 03:26:40,380
What we are going to do is start out with our sequoid determination.

1830
03:26:42,820 --> 03:27:05,240
And then after that, we are going to, now I just wrote my scribbled things down, and I can't even read my handwriting. Our contextual review, the CDP with conditions of approval, and then an advisory statement at the end. Is that okay with my fellow commissioners? Okay. Okay. So we'll do the sequoid exemption.

1831
03:27:05,240 --> 03:27:15,120
And then the architectural advisory consistency statement, the CDP, a condition of approval,

1832
03:27:15,660 --> 03:27:21,000
and then our advisory statement at the end, is that okay?

1833
03:27:21,200 --> 03:27:23,320
I would like my fellow commissioners to agree to that.

1834
03:27:23,320 --> 03:27:32,220
Yeah, it sounds very good to me except we need to be really explicit about what the conditions of approval are before we vote on it.

1835
03:27:32,220 --> 03:27:42,880
I agree with that and when we get to that part, we will, I'm sure we'll have a discussion, a lengthy discussion about that and winter is raising her hand so I will let winter weigh in.

1836
03:27:43,960 --> 03:27:53,780
I just wanted to say at the end of all the voting, we are going to need clarity on whether you're approving the resolution that was proposed and what changes you're proposing to the resolution.

1837
03:27:53,780 --> 03:28:09,520
That's important, so if you're doing it in stages, that's okay, but I want to just make sure that those stages add up to a determination about approve, approve with changes or not approve the proposed resolution.

1838
03:28:11,580 --> 03:28:16,240
Can we modify the resolution? Yes, thank you.

1839
03:28:26,150 --> 03:28:31,230
Okay, so the first thing we need to do is make a determination that the project is exempt from sequa.

1840
03:28:34,880 --> 03:28:46,100
So I will make a motion that the project is exempt from CEQA in accordance with CEQA guidelines, section 15332.

1841
03:28:46,500 --> 03:28:47,400
A second.

1842
03:28:51,090 --> 03:28:53,030
Does anyone wish to discuss this?

1843
03:28:53,950 --> 03:28:54,510
No.

1844
03:28:56,050 --> 03:28:57,030
All is in favor?

1845
03:29:01,000 --> 03:29:01,860
All is in favor.

1846
03:29:02,120 --> 03:29:04,020
You want to go through the roll call vote, please.

1847
03:29:04,280 --> 03:29:05,040
Commissioner Ruddick.

1848
03:29:05,220 --> 03:29:05,440
Yes.

1849
03:29:05,800 --> 03:29:06,520
Commissioner Gorn.

1850
03:29:06,800 --> 03:29:07,020
Yes.

1851
03:29:07,020 --> 03:29:17,380
Commissioner Hernandez, Vice Chair, Johannes, Epstein, and Chair Gossett, yes, Commissioner.

1852
03:29:24,220 --> 03:29:39,200
I'd like to make a motion to approve the architectural review portion of the project for PDP 23034.

1853
03:29:40,480 --> 03:29:59,640
with the direction to city staff and the guidance that they have flexibility to work with the architect to better incorporate design elements more consistent with the character of downtown Half Moon Bay.

1854
03:30:00,940 --> 03:30:17,700
And to endeavor to use design elements to mask the bulk and height of the building so that is less conspicuous and if possible to develop

1855
03:30:20,970 --> 03:30:33,110
some kind of unique signature architectural element that makes the city look like more like half moon bay. That's the direction I would give, but it's not a requirement.

1856
03:30:33,110 --> 03:30:37,950
Can I get, that's my motion. Can I get a second?

1857
03:30:38,270 --> 03:30:45,450
Can we add to the motion that we ask that the mural be reviewed by the Parks and Rec commission?

1858
03:30:45,890 --> 03:30:47,370
Are we allowed to do that here?

1859
03:30:49,730 --> 03:30:54,510
I don't know if they have authority to review Murrell, Murrell's, I haven't looked at that, so.

1860
03:30:54,710 --> 03:30:59,370
Can we strongly encourage the applicant to consult with the architect yet?

1861
03:31:00,770 --> 03:31:12,590
So the city adopted a mural policy that includes a process that goes through our recreation commission as a reviewing a recommending body.

1862
03:31:13,330 --> 03:31:16,590
Under our policy, the city council actually approves the murals.

1863
03:31:17,090 --> 03:31:28,050
This obviously was created as a process for city-sponsored murals and murals on city property, so I'm not sure if every piece of it would be applicable to this.

1864
03:31:28,050 --> 03:31:38,370
but maybe there's, if this is something that could show up here, maybe there's direction that we incorporate portions of our process in collaboration with the applicants.

1865
03:31:38,790 --> 03:31:39,670
I'd make a motion.

1866
03:31:39,990 --> 03:31:49,070
I'd make a motion that we incorporate the existing mural review process that the city has to the extent that it's legally possible.

1867
03:31:52,510 --> 03:31:59,170
I'll second it, although it's a little odd in that the staff report finds that the current

1868
03:31:59,170 --> 03:32:05,630
architectural design does a very good job of borrowing appropriate look and feel from

1869
03:32:05,630 --> 03:32:12,490
around Hathman Bay while extending its, while exerting its own unique look.

1870
03:32:12,690 --> 03:32:18,410
But I understand that architecture is subjective and I have no trouble, I have no problem

1871
03:32:18,410 --> 03:32:19,130
with your motion.

1872
03:32:22,460 --> 03:32:23,600
So I have a second.

1873
03:32:23,680 --> 03:32:23,820
Yeah.

1874
03:32:24,770 --> 03:32:25,400
Yes, he did.

1875
03:32:25,780 --> 03:32:26,480
Commissioner Riddick?

1876
03:32:27,410 --> 03:32:27,760
Yes.

1877
03:32:28,260 --> 03:32:28,900
Commissioner Gorn?

1878
03:32:29,900 --> 03:32:30,600
Yes.

1879
03:32:32,440 --> 03:32:33,480
Commissioner Hernandez?

1880
03:32:33,880 --> 03:32:34,040
Yes.

1881
03:32:34,680 --> 03:32:36,680
Vice Chair Johannes?

1882
03:32:37,300 --> 03:32:37,580
Yes.

1883
03:32:38,160 --> 03:32:39,080
And Chair Gorset?

1884
03:32:40,050 --> 03:32:40,400
Yes.

1885
03:32:41,020 --> 03:32:41,580
Motion to pass.

1886
03:32:42,100 --> 03:32:42,420
Proved?

1887
03:32:43,680 --> 03:32:44,380
Okay.

1888
03:32:45,600 --> 03:32:50,940
I'd like to take a few moments before I make them.

1889
03:32:50,940 --> 03:32:58,400
Yeah, before we do the wait wait, sorry wait yeah, nothing it's okay

1890
03:32:59,580 --> 03:33:02,720
So I think we're at the point where we're going to

1891
03:33:04,660 --> 03:33:10,020
We haven't approved the CDP yet, right, so we're at that approval point

1892
03:33:11,500 --> 03:33:15,480
So I wanted to maybe we haven't really spent a lot of time talking about policies

1893
03:33:15,480 --> 03:33:22,100
So I just want to make sure and then there's also some conditions of approval that commissioner Joannis has brought up that I've never

1894
03:33:24,400 --> 03:33:31,280
We haven't had any discussion on them, and I think we should just kind of maybe talk about some of the conditions of approval.

1895
03:33:31,540 --> 03:33:39,840
The one in particular that I'm concerned about is the labor one because we've never done that before, and we don't have, I don't know what our policy is.

1896
03:33:39,840 --> 03:33:51,980
I think we have certain standards that we apply, but I would feel uncomfortable applying some new standard for development that doesn't meet an existing city standard.

1897
03:33:51,980 --> 03:33:52,780
through the chair.

1898
03:33:53,060 --> 03:33:53,360
So it's perspective.

1899
03:33:54,200 --> 03:33:54,340
Sure.

1900
03:33:54,500 --> 03:33:55,100
Let me go ahead.

1901
03:33:55,240 --> 03:33:56,900
Just a question.

1902
03:33:58,760 --> 03:34:02,380
So we have conditions of approval and we're going to run out of time.

1903
03:34:02,840 --> 03:34:05,600
And I don't want to run out of time without approving the CDP.

1904
03:34:07,180 --> 03:34:13,660
So if I make a motion to approve the CDP and to approve this project, can we then add conditions

1905
03:34:13,660 --> 03:34:16,940
of approval on that afterwards, after the fact?

1906
03:34:17,020 --> 03:34:17,140
Yes.

1907
03:34:17,600 --> 03:34:18,260
We've got to do it all at once.

1908
03:34:18,260 --> 03:34:19,440
We have to do it all at once.

1909
03:34:19,840 --> 03:34:20,140
Okay.

1910
03:34:20,140 --> 03:34:20,260
Okay.

1911
03:34:20,660 --> 03:34:20,880
All right.

1912
03:34:21,060 --> 03:34:21,200
Thank you.

1913
03:34:21,220 --> 03:34:22,720
I have to amend the resolution.

1914
03:34:24,080 --> 03:34:24,180
Okay.

1915
03:34:25,440 --> 03:34:32,700
And just, sorry, just to clarify the two conditions that you just approved in conjunction with

1916
03:34:32,700 --> 03:34:37,500
the architectural review, just as a practical matter, those will just go in the resolution

1917
03:34:37,500 --> 03:34:45,320
along with any other conditions of approval that you adopt as part of your approval of the

1918
03:34:45,320 --> 03:34:45,820
CDP.

1919
03:34:46,180 --> 03:34:49,480
So just as a logistical matter, that's what I'm keeping track of them.

1920
03:34:49,480 --> 03:34:55,620
And I did want to, as you move into this reminds you that the applicant offered to additional

1921
03:34:55,620 --> 03:34:59,780
voluntary, they volunteered to make them go into the conditions.

1922
03:35:11,300 --> 03:35:27,420
We're going to attach applicants to it. We're going to attach conditions of approval to it. But let's maybe take what, I mean, if you want to start going down the condition, I was, you wanted to make the motion, you can make it, David. Okay.

1923
03:35:32,290 --> 03:35:38,550
I want to make sure I'm addressing your concerns, because I feel like I'm steamrolling over you at the moment, and I want to make sure I'm hearing what you're saying.

1924
03:35:38,730 --> 03:35:41,310
I just want to get our, I want to make sure we're following a process.

1925
03:35:41,990 --> 03:35:43,310
And the process is beginning.

1926
03:35:43,630 --> 03:35:46,750
So I think the chair should just run the meeting.

1927
03:35:51,170 --> 03:36:01,590
Okay, so I will, I'm happy to ask any of my fellow commissioners if you want to introduce the resolution for approval for PDP 23-034.

1928
03:36:01,590 --> 03:36:13,720
And I could begin reading it, and maybe I leave a few numbers blank, because I'm not sure we're completely in agreement about everything.

1929
03:36:13,920 --> 03:36:32,080
But coastal development permit and architectural review to allow the construction of a new five-story, well, a new building with 40 residential units for senior farm worker affordable to extremely low and very low income households.

1930
03:36:32,080 --> 03:36:41,960
A XXXX square foot farm worker resource center and an 18 space ground floor parking garage.

1931
03:36:42,600 --> 03:36:48,980
Permit approval also includes a lot line adjustment to increase the project parcel size and

1932
03:36:48,980 --> 03:36:55,700
reconfigure the driveway at Kelly Avenue in the commercial downtown CD and public services,

1933
03:36:55,700 --> 03:36:58,860
is P.S. Zoning District and the public institutions,

1934
03:36:59,740 --> 03:37:08,220
general land use designation, APN 056-150-200.

1935
03:37:11,060 --> 03:37:12,100
And it

1936
03:37:14,910 --> 03:37:17,010
might require to read all the whereas,

1937
03:37:17,310 --> 03:37:19,810
or do we want to discuss this now, or do I need a second?

1938
03:37:21,820 --> 03:37:25,160
We have to articulate the conditions of approval.

1939
03:37:25,300 --> 03:37:26,260
Okay, all right.

1940
03:37:26,900 --> 03:37:29,300
Well, but before we do that, do we get a second?

1941
03:37:29,300 --> 03:37:30,840
I think you can entertain me now.

1942
03:37:30,840 --> 03:37:35,960
I'd like to second the motion and I'd like to pause so that we can add conditions of approval.

1943
03:37:36,580 --> 03:37:37,480
Okay, thank you.

1944
03:37:37,820 --> 03:37:41,040
That's what I was looking for, because maybe you don't want to talk about this.

1945
03:37:41,260 --> 03:37:46,500
And the first condition of approval I'd like to have is reducing the accepting the applicant's

1946
03:37:47,180 --> 03:37:55,680
offer to reduce the height of the building and to reduce the configuration of the rooms.

1947
03:37:56,320 --> 03:38:00,500
And there's some language around there that's a little iffy, so you want to

1948
03:38:01,320 --> 03:38:09,420
Well, they provided, I don't know if you received the, oh, you could provide it to Bridget actually and Bridget can pass it out.

1949
03:38:10,300 --> 03:38:19,300
The main important detail is that the reduction in height they were offering as just a straight condition of approval, that they will make that modification to the building design.

1950
03:38:19,860 --> 03:38:26,080
And then for the potential change in unit mix, they were proposing just to evaluate the feasibility of it.

1951
03:38:26,080 --> 03:38:30,100
So, it was a softer requirement.

1952
03:38:33,880 --> 03:38:35,860
Apologies for not handing that out before.

1953
03:38:43,830 --> 03:38:55,190
So, I see the proposed revised conditions of approval language, but I could, I'm looking at reduction in height, and then the second point potential change in unit mix.

1954
03:38:55,890 --> 03:39:04,070
And I would like to strike the word potential and just say change in unit mix and then talk about that as a commission.

1955
03:39:07,650 --> 03:39:09,950
I think I support that.

1956
03:39:12,860 --> 03:39:17,060
Just to be clear, they weren't offering to absolutely do it.

1957
03:39:17,160 --> 03:39:20,520
They were offering to have a condition that evaluates it.

1958
03:39:21,360 --> 03:39:22,620
I understand that.

1959
03:39:22,860 --> 03:39:26,080
That's why as if we could strike the word potential.

1960
03:39:26,340 --> 03:39:27,260
Is that something we can do?

1961
03:39:28,240 --> 03:39:35,540
But I think the point is that the funding may prohibit the applicant from making this change.

1962
03:39:35,540 --> 03:39:39,620
But we were told that's not our consideration, you know,

1963
03:39:43,560 --> 03:39:49,080
in the answers provided to staff when we ask questions about that.

1964
03:39:49,260 --> 03:39:52,760
So I don't know why that would be a consideration for us to discuss.

1965
03:39:53,460 --> 03:39:55,400
That's a city council policy issue.

1966
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:09,960
Personally, I wouldn't, if you strike potential, then this is a make or break thing. I mean, the whole thing collapses if things don't work out right. I don't want to do that.

1967
03:40:14,320 --> 03:40:14,760
Thoughts?

1968
03:40:23,340 --> 03:40:25,880
So, what if the feasibility doesn't work out then what?

1969
03:40:28,980 --> 03:40:42,820
In general, yeah. Wait, did you want to say it? I don't think it's open to that. I guess the question I have is that, you know, the council is going to decide

1970
03:40:49,720 --> 03:40:53,180
We're not talking about cutting down the number of units or anything like that.

1971
03:40:54,000 --> 03:40:58,800
All the things that we're talking about is reverting to a previous plan, that's what I'm talking about.

1972
03:40:59,400 --> 03:41:05,380
And so what we present to City Council, does it even need to include?

1973
03:41:05,760 --> 03:41:10,480
How many stories it is, does it need to include the height of the building, does it need to include?

1974
03:41:10,480 --> 03:41:15,840
I mean, it should be a 40-unit project because that's what we want to approve.

1975
03:41:15,940 --> 03:41:18,140
We want to approve a 40-unit project.

1976
03:41:19,020 --> 03:41:27,300
Like, that's, or, and that the City Council needs to determine the size and scope of this project.

1977
03:41:28,720 --> 03:41:31,160
So, can I maybe make a suggestion?

1978
03:41:35,680 --> 03:41:41,180
Mercy housing shall evaluate the feasibility of revising the current unit mix to reduce the number

1979
03:41:41,180 --> 03:41:47,340
of two bedroom units from 8 to 2 and in lieu provide six additional one bedroom units.

1980
03:41:47,880 --> 03:41:53,240
The total number of units shall remain at 40 units and

1981
03:41:55,480 --> 03:41:58,520
at no more than 40 units.

1982
03:42:04,280 --> 03:42:09,460
And the building height shall remain at a height of 56 feet as approved.

1983
03:42:11,580 --> 03:42:12,380
Unless

1984
03:42:14,590 --> 03:42:18,110
it is otherwise not

1985
03:42:21,210 --> 03:42:26,270
feasible to complete funding of

1986
03:42:28,450 --> 03:42:42,180
this project, then Mercy's housing that I would just sort of add this condition of under that last sentence where it says Mercy's housing evaluation shall

1987
03:42:44,580 --> 03:42:47,840
prioritize funding sources that allow this to be feasible.

1988
03:42:50,580 --> 03:42:57,600
Not requiring you to take them on, but shall require funding, so require the prioritization of funding sources that make this feasible.

1989
03:43:01,680 --> 03:43:03,000
I just want to ask my question again.

1990
03:43:04,560 --> 03:43:11,480
Why do we need to have height in here, since we're not allowed to talk about height.

1991
03:43:11,720 --> 03:43:16,340
I'm willing to accept the concession on height, I think that that's, I think it's-

1992
03:43:16,340 --> 03:43:19,180
No, but why do we have to have height in the resolution at all?

1993
03:43:19,180 --> 03:43:24,940
Well, the applicant has offered it as a concession to us, and I would like us to accept

1994
03:43:24,940 --> 03:43:29,540
that concession as a condition of what you're saying, but I'm saying in our resolution,

1995
03:43:30,460 --> 03:43:32,920
why do we need to have any height listed?

1996
03:43:33,780 --> 03:43:39,020
Because we are accepting their condition of approval, and we can, like, that's, they've

1997
03:43:39,020 --> 03:43:44,340
offered it, and we should accept the concession as my perspective.

1998
03:43:45,720 --> 03:43:47,060
I think that's sensible.

1999
03:43:48,600 --> 03:43:54,680
And we can, there's a separate issue which is we're going to make an advisory statement to

2000
03:43:54,680 --> 03:44:03,540
City Council and but we otherwise have no control over the height of the impact unless the applicant

2001
03:44:03,540 --> 03:44:05,700
offers us a concession and we accept it now.

2002
03:44:06,580 --> 03:44:09,300
This could go to the City Council and they could deny the project.

2003
03:44:09,300 --> 03:44:14,100
It could go to the City Council and they could approve the project.

2004
03:44:14,980 --> 03:44:20,340
Somebody has to appeal it, though, so there's no guarantee it will go to the City Council in any case.

2005
03:44:20,840 --> 03:44:25,400
But if the applicant's willing to give us, it can provide a concession on this and

2006
03:44:25,400 --> 03:44:29,240
provide language that's just a little bit stronger in terms of what they're willing to do.

2007
03:44:29,780 --> 03:44:37,920
I think we should use that as a starting point, that would be my recommendation is to accept what they've offered to us as a starting point.

2008
03:44:37,920 --> 03:44:52,340
I think the sort of the linchpin is whether we can have a whether we're going with an advisory

2009
03:44:53,820 --> 03:44:59,040
statement to the City Council or whether we can have that be a condition of approval.

2010
03:44:59,040 --> 03:44:59,980
That's true.

2011
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:06,460
And you keep saying over and over again that we'll make an advisory statement, I keep saying it should be a condition

2012
03:45:06,460 --> 03:45:13,320
of approval that we strongly recommend. And, you know, that's, but I think legally we can't, I don't

2013
03:45:13,320 --> 03:45:21,000
think you can legally make, legally my understanding is you cannot add some kind of advisory

2014
03:45:21,800 --> 03:45:26,520
language, it's not legally binding to the applicant to the CDP because we're approving

2015
03:45:26,520 --> 03:45:31,880
the applicants. This would be legal. This, the second part, is not legal either.

2016
03:45:32,200 --> 03:45:37,460
This doesn't seem to be legal in line because it's will evaluate. Nobody's, you know,

2017
03:45:38,780 --> 03:45:43,480
the feasibility. If the feasibility doesn't work out, it means nothing.

2018
03:45:48,150 --> 03:45:52,190
Maybe we could open it up if the applicant has feedback on this.

2019
03:45:52,670 --> 03:45:54,670
The City Attorney wants to speak.

2020
03:45:56,030 --> 03:46:02,570
Just wondering if it might be helpful to make the distinction between not every condition of approval needs to be mandatory.

2021
03:46:03,110 --> 03:46:08,490
We obviously frequently have things you will work with, you'll endeavor.

2022
03:46:09,210 --> 03:46:16,630
But the conditions as Commissioner Hernandez pointed out do have to go to the applicant not to somebody else.

2023
03:46:17,110 --> 03:46:22,110
Or just state an opinion of the planning commission.

2024
03:46:22,110 --> 03:46:35,010
So that's why I think the recommendation was to deal with the recommendation, the commissioner's recommendation was to deal with the recommendation separately from the conditions of approval.

2025
03:46:36,350 --> 03:46:41,210
I don't know if that helped, but it does, it does quite a bit, thank you.

2026
03:46:41,210 --> 03:46:51,810
And in terms of, in our statement about what we're approving, do we have to include height?

2027
03:46:52,590 --> 03:47:08,730
Yes, so you are taking action on the application as proposed to you and you do need to consider all the things you always consider in terms of consistency of the actual proposed project, the physical structure with the LCP and

2028
03:47:08,730 --> 03:47:14,010
Coastal Act, of course, with all the state density bonus law caveats that we've discussed in the past.

2029
03:47:14,510 --> 03:47:19,810
So, yes, the resolution does refer to the plans that were submitted and

2030
03:47:19,810 --> 03:47:24,830
the conditions of approval, say what you're approving is the project as proposed in those plans.

2031
03:47:25,270 --> 03:47:29,650
And then there are findings of consistency that go along with that.

2032
03:47:30,250 --> 03:47:34,110
So yes, it does have to refer to the actual proposed project.

2033
03:47:34,110 --> 03:47:34,250
But

2034
03:47:40,970 --> 03:47:48,650
you can impose conditions of approval, but a condition of approval would have to be

2035
03:47:48,650 --> 03:47:56,150
more like, and we do these, the project has proposed instead of being blue will be yellow,

2036
03:47:56,470 --> 03:47:56,590
right?

2037
03:47:56,910 --> 03:47:58,510
We're making a change like that.

2038
03:47:59,230 --> 03:48:04,610
I think it would be very challenging to do a condition of approval that says, or approving

2039
03:48:04,610 --> 03:48:10,510
this project, but redesign it all to go along with the proposal that came with the RFQ because

2040
03:48:10,510 --> 03:48:15,610
I'm not sure we have even full plan sets that wasn't developed, that was a response.

2041
03:48:16,070 --> 03:48:24,510
So what we have is the proposal as proposed and I think you've set a solid course for

2042
03:48:24,510 --> 03:48:27,210
making your separate recommendation to make a proposal.

2043
03:48:27,230 --> 03:48:37,270
So you're saying that we have to do it as an advisory and that really what we're approving is we're approving this project as written, right?

2044
03:48:37,270 --> 03:48:41,270
with conditions of approval that we're attaching to the project.

2045
03:48:41,550 --> 03:48:43,610
And so there are conditions of approval or advisory?

2046
03:48:44,030 --> 03:48:44,610
No, no, no.

2047
03:48:44,830 --> 03:48:47,030
This is not an advisory.

2048
03:48:47,390 --> 03:48:48,590
This is a reduction in height.

2049
03:48:48,870 --> 03:48:53,510
That is a legal constraint, and I actually want to change that language.

2050
03:48:53,650 --> 03:48:55,630
We'll come back to that in a second, but slightly.

2051
03:48:56,690 --> 03:49:00,910
But that's something that is binding.

2052
03:49:01,310 --> 03:49:02,210
I think what,

2053
03:49:05,140 --> 03:49:07,940
when or maybe you could help me here because you're the attorney,

2054
03:49:07,940 --> 03:49:20,300
There's a concept of operating in good faith, there's a language you can use, it demonstrates diligence and you need to provide evidence that you've reasonably exhausted alternative funding means, and this just wasn't lip service.

2055
03:49:20,500 --> 03:49:35,880
I'm not saying that that's what you're doing, I'm just saying conditions of approval that maybe just add something to that that some kind of reasonable legal standard, a minimum legal standard, so that it's a little.

2056
03:49:35,880 --> 03:49:40,200
unless you, in your view, this already meets a minimum legal standard.

2057
03:49:43,160 --> 03:49:46,740
Well, this, of course, was just a condition that was offered up by the applicant.

2058
03:49:48,540 --> 03:49:53,240
So, I mean, I think this sets forth a process.

2059
03:49:53,660 --> 03:49:59,960
If you wanted some additional, like if there's a determination that it's not feasible.

2060
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:29,980
The revised that Mercy present its, you know, reasoning for that to the community development director or something like that, if you provide evidence. Yeah, or just document. I don't know that there's going to be evidence here as much as there is going to be reasoning or documentation or something like that. And I don't know. We may, since this was a voluntary condition, and I'm not sure that if the applicant had not proposed this, I'm not sure.

2061
03:50:29,980 --> 03:50:43,980
that we would be able to pay this to any of our policies, so I would probably want them to weigh in and see if I'm overstepping by promising a report back.

2062
03:50:47,010 --> 03:51:02,190
In regards to providing our analysis, we could write a memo to explain like what did we find in terms of evaluating whether we could make this unit mix change that I had offered at the outside of the meeting.

2063
03:51:02,630 --> 03:51:11,290
So you can have something in writing and we will make it as clear as possible and traceable as possible in terms of like this is the funding source that we looked at.

2064
03:51:11,990 --> 03:51:15,630
You know, here's the name, here's the website. We can do that for you.

2065
03:51:16,870 --> 03:51:24,010
I have a question. The already awarded funding may be lost. Where did that funding come from? Why would it be lost?

2066
03:51:24,010 --> 03:51:26,430
because it's still going towards housing.

2067
03:51:27,490 --> 03:51:36,950
So the funding that we were recently awarded is approximately $2.7 million from the state of California housing and community development department.

2068
03:51:37,010 --> 03:51:41,030
And it's a pot of money called infrastructure infill grant.

2069
03:51:42,130 --> 03:51:50,610
And it's, Commissioner Goren was worried earlier about whether tax credits would be funded enough.

2070
03:51:50,610 --> 03:51:55,330
And so, as you may know, there's a lot of affordable housing funding, but

2071
03:51:55,330 --> 03:51:58,470
it's highly competitive to get an award.

2072
03:51:58,750 --> 03:52:04,030
Just because the need is so great in the state of California, there are a lot of applications.

2073
03:52:04,690 --> 03:52:06,550
These awards are very difficult to get.

2074
03:52:06,970 --> 03:52:13,030
So when we got the award, it was based on the current unit mix and

2075
03:52:13,030 --> 03:52:17,690
the current plans that you have been discussing for the last month.

2076
03:52:17,690 --> 03:52:35,150
And so if we do make a unit mix change, we as developer would need to make sure that we're not jeopardizing that award because that award was based on certain scoring criteria that the state used.

2077
03:52:35,150 --> 03:52:51,050
So, that was based also on making sure that we had an ENA exclusive agreement to discuss that the city hadn't exclusive agreement because at that time I don't think you already had an application into the city.

2078
03:52:51,570 --> 03:52:53,030
I think that was awarded before that.

2079
03:52:53,250 --> 03:53:02,490
I mean, I'm just asking, I'm just because I looked at timelines to see, because I just, I don't know, I don't feel that this is going to be in jeopardy, but I'm just wondering.

2080
03:53:02,490 --> 03:53:05,930
you had five stories that you presented to them.

2081
03:53:06,470 --> 03:53:11,970
I mean, what was the condition when you sent in the application

2082
03:53:12,490 --> 03:53:16,910
for that info project and the time because it matters, right?

2083
03:53:17,250 --> 03:53:22,330
So yeah, I just want to clarify that what we would need to evaluate

2084
03:53:22,330 --> 03:53:27,550
before we can commit to changing the unit mix is to make sure that

2085
03:53:27,550 --> 03:53:31,470
we are not going to inadvertently jeopardize our award because

2086
03:53:31,470 --> 03:53:37,550
is that award was based on a competition essentially that used scoring criteria.

2087
03:53:38,110 --> 03:53:44,930
Scoring criteria includes what's your unit mix, what's your affordability, different factors.

2088
03:53:45,290 --> 03:53:47,170
And it is very complicated.

2089
03:53:47,790 --> 03:53:52,830
And we made this offer, we thought of this offer very recently to bring to the commission.

2090
03:53:52,830 --> 03:53:58,670
We have not had a chance to analyze what does that mean for that funding that we did get awarded.

2091
03:53:58,670 --> 03:54:04,390
And for future funding that we would want to secure, including the tax credits.

2092
03:54:05,050 --> 03:54:12,930
So our offer, just to reiterate, our offer is that we would like to do that analysis to see if we can change

2093
03:54:13,590 --> 03:54:22,830
six of the two bedrooms to one bedrooms, because we understand that that would help address some concerns that the commissioners have heard from the public.

2094
03:54:22,830 --> 03:54:27,950
We want to offer to do that in good faith and to help address that concern.

2095
03:54:28,290 --> 03:54:35,050
But we also want to make very clear that we need to do our due diligence, and this is in the service of the community, right?

2096
03:54:35,170 --> 03:54:41,450
We don't want to jeopardize the funding that this development has already gotten, you know, been awarded.

2097
03:54:41,790 --> 03:54:48,570
So that's what we're trying to balance here and making this offer and writing this condition of a proposed condition of approval.

2098
03:54:54,970 --> 03:54:56,630
I think that's very logical.

2099
03:54:57,210 --> 03:54:59,530
We wouldn't want to take any steps that would jeopardize.

2100
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:27,360
We have the scoring criteria and how you received your funding. And I'm looking at it right now. It just seems that I don't remember. I have to pull it up to see what the level of details that you provided in that funding. But it just seems that it would be odd that it would be. I hope it never gets. I hope so too. We just need to make sure we do our due diligence. Yeah.

2101
03:55:41,210 --> 03:55:41,990
Where are we at?

2102
03:55:42,550 --> 03:55:52,190
So we were talking about the change in the unit mix and how that could be written into the condition of approval.

2103
03:55:55,660 --> 03:56:07,160
Well, I thought the city attorney had a good suggestion that we require the applicant to report back to the MMO to the year idea, actually, to the community development director.

2104
03:56:13,770 --> 03:56:15,350
How do you guys feel about that?

2105
03:56:21,440 --> 03:56:22,020
I'm fine with it.

2106
03:56:22,020 --> 03:56:22,620
So

2107
03:56:33,300 --> 03:56:35,040
that's two conditions of approval?

2108
03:56:41,060 --> 03:56:41,820
Yeah.

2109
03:56:42,460 --> 03:56:46,540
I personally don't intend to offer any additional ones, if you're wondering.

2110
03:56:49,020 --> 03:56:55,400
Does anyone else, Commissioner Gorn or Commissioner Joannis have conditions?

2111
03:56:58,370 --> 03:57:04,670
Yes, I'd like to find out if this workforce we can use local workforce for the construction.

2112
03:57:04,670 --> 03:57:07,850
and if we can at least say it's a 10% preference

2113
03:57:08,530 --> 03:57:11,250
of the workforce for each construction trade,

2114
03:57:12,810 --> 03:57:17,070
that's one, I can rattle them all off winter

2115
03:57:17,070 --> 03:57:20,670
and if you can then decide how to do this.

2116
03:57:22,070 --> 03:57:24,630
And I'm assuming Mercy's already gonna enter

2117
03:57:24,630 --> 03:57:26,930
into fair and open competition,

2118
03:57:27,550 --> 03:57:29,910
or is this fair and open competition.

2119
03:57:31,630 --> 03:57:44,810
And then, I don't know if we can ask Mercy to have provide the city with the right to evaluate and comment on construction plans and specs and to evaluate all bid proposals.

2120
03:57:46,830 --> 03:57:56,500
that Mercy also, let's see, we talked about the tenant preference.

2121
03:57:56,800 --> 03:57:59,060
Can we have the tenant preference?

2122
03:57:59,300 --> 03:58:04,800
Can it be restricted to, can it include a 10% tenant preference for

2123
03:58:05,520 --> 03:58:08,400
local retired senior farm workers?

2124
03:58:08,780 --> 03:58:12,740
And local could mean, I guess, within the city of Half Moon Bay and

2125
03:58:12,740 --> 03:58:31,020
And then also along the coast side within San Mateo County, I was wondering if Mercy could also provide safety rails in all the units along hallways, and in bathrooms, not just some, but all the units.

2126
03:58:32,240 --> 03:58:39,040
Mercy construct walk-in showers instead of bath tubs because this is for seniors.

2127
03:58:39,040 --> 03:58:46,120
I was hoping to accommodate, you know, their elderly, it's easier to walk in or to get wheelchair into that.

2128
03:58:47,500 --> 03:58:53,820
And then I don't know if you're also talking, looking at physically challenged units,

2129
03:58:54,220 --> 03:59:02,220
physically challenged and site and hearing impaired to include certain number of units for that.

2130
03:59:03,360 --> 03:59:06,800
And then regarding vibration and noise,

2131
03:59:07,300 --> 03:59:10,740
locating ingress and egress of construction equipment

2132
03:59:10,740 --> 03:59:13,500
and heavily loaded trucks away from residential streets,

2133
03:59:14,280 --> 03:59:17,960
restricting the operation of large earth moving equipment

2134
03:59:17,960 --> 03:59:18,720
on the side.

2135
03:59:19,460 --> 03:59:20,580
Okay, if you could slow down a little bit,

2136
03:59:20,740 --> 03:59:21,920
sorry, we're frantically taking notes.

2137
03:59:21,920 --> 03:59:24,000
Oh, I'm sorry, I can hear so I can go through these.

2138
03:59:24,000 --> 03:59:24,820
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2139
03:59:25,120 --> 03:59:28,440
I'm sorry, excuse me.

2140
03:59:28,440 --> 03:59:37,920
Restrict the operation of large earth moving equipment on the site to as far away as possible from sensitive receivers.

2141
03:59:39,320 --> 03:59:54,980
Restrict activities that cause high levels of vibration so that they're straggared and multiple restrict activities that cause high levels of vibration to be staggered.

2142
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:29,980
So that multiple sources of vibration are not occurring at the same time, restrict weekend construction activities and utilization of vibratory rollers and packers, offer temporary living accommodation, school rooms and office face to those with high sensibilities to vibrations. No, I think that's I think we need to step back. So I don't feel comfortable going there.

2143
04:00:29,980 --> 04:00:34,380
And I also don't feel comfortable setting a standard of improvement for the bathrooms.

2144
04:00:34,520 --> 04:00:40,260
I think that's really mercy's responsibility to provide the evidence.

2145
04:00:40,260 --> 04:00:41,680
You could say no to it, that's fine.

2146
04:00:41,780 --> 04:00:43,340
Yeah, I don't.

2147
04:00:43,340 --> 04:00:43,460
I don't.

2148
04:00:43,460 --> 04:00:50,180
And all these are things that would have been in mitigation measures in a sequer report.

2149
04:00:50,480 --> 04:00:51,580
Got it, okay.

2150
04:00:51,820 --> 04:00:59,420
I think the bathroom one given it's going to be yes, one senior,

2151
04:00:59,420 --> 04:01:03,720
but it's not exclusively senior housing, I think I just would give a measure.

2152
04:01:05,020 --> 04:01:08,760
That's fine, that Mercy can determine this, I mean, because I understand that Mercy

2153
04:01:08,760 --> 04:01:13,220
can agree or disagree to have this as part of their conditions of approval.

2154
04:01:13,340 --> 04:01:17,020
I heard what you said as a shall, not as a, as a, yeah.

2155
04:01:17,140 --> 04:01:22,960
Well, that's my wish, because if this is a senior living thing, and it's 55 and over, that's fine.

2156
04:01:23,260 --> 04:01:26,500
But we can, you can, plan commission can remove it, it's fine.

2157
04:01:26,500 --> 04:01:35,980
I just, I think that the mercy provides, I don't know if this is necessary, a pre-construction assessment and

2158
04:01:35,980 --> 04:01:42,040
a structural assessments of the inspection of neighboring buildings, because I've always been in construction projects.

2159
04:01:42,560 --> 04:01:49,420
Where neighboring buildings will say, hey look because of this construction, my house,

2160
04:01:49,420 --> 04:01:56,740
So my building got cracks, and there's some kind of issues there.

2161
04:01:57,000 --> 04:02:04,060
So we want to make sure that Mercy's construction hasn't caused that damage.

2162
04:02:04,060 --> 04:02:05,840
It's just an inspection of the area.

2163
04:02:07,580 --> 04:02:15,660
That Mercy provides washing down of the school, the church, and the shoreline properties from dust.

2164
04:02:16,340 --> 04:02:26,200
I'd like to see if there is any air monitoring devices going to be placed at the school so that we're looking at the air quality in that area.

2165
04:02:33,260 --> 04:02:41,820
Are these things that would be required if a mitigated negative declaration has to be in place, and that's the foundation of all this?

2166
04:02:41,820 --> 04:02:42,480
There

2167
04:02:44,850 --> 04:02:47,530
was,

2168
04:02:51,060 --> 04:02:57,160
so one thing, and I understand that this might not be the case, but one thing that I have put on here was that the

2169
04:02:58,380 --> 04:03:02,520
Pharmacoreso Center use is restricted to residents only for healthy living,

2170
04:03:04,540 --> 04:03:12,880
healthy living teachings, daily exercise, meditation, arts and crafts, movie viewing, language learning, civics education,

2171
04:03:13,500 --> 04:03:22,420
including voting rights, you know, just things that I think, you know, seniors could be helpful, it would be helpful for seniors to look at.

2172
04:03:29,520 --> 04:03:36,260
Sometimes some construction projects, large construction projects, and for this town, this is a large construction project.

2173
04:03:36,840 --> 04:03:50,020
And I, like I said, I don't know where your work force is coming from, is there a hotel accommodation that you can provide workers on between Monday through Thursday?

2174
04:03:51,620 --> 04:03:57,080
And of course, helping the workers with a meal every once in a while, that's all I'm talking about.

2175
04:03:59,790 --> 04:04:06,550
It's just to help the workers, and it's also to get local workers at work, construction workers at work.

2176
04:04:06,550 --> 04:04:19,090
I think some of these changes are unprecedented for a project that we've approved before the Planning Commission, and I'm not sure that some of them, I'm sure that some of them aren't the things that aren't even legal for us to approve.

2177
04:04:19,950 --> 04:04:29,950
So I do recognize though where you're going with this, which is if this project had to be mitigated, I think that's the foundation for the conditions of approval, that's what I'm hearing.

2178
04:04:29,950 --> 04:04:36,050
So we didn't really discuss that, so are

2179
04:04:42,000 --> 04:04:45,380
there the workforce mix one?

2180
04:04:46,220 --> 04:04:57,260
We already have a standard for development in Half Moon Bay, and unless we're, I don't feel comfortable applying a new standard, unless to just-

2181
04:04:57,260 --> 04:04:59,820
I'm curious. What is that development?

2182
04:05:00,760 --> 04:05:29,920
I don't know what the rules are. The city has contracting standards that they apply. I assume that they're following a bag standards or something like that. Are you asking what the city's standards are for when it's its own project? Or are you asking whether the municipal code has requirements for like a local hire? The only place I identified that was specifically in the commercial cannabis activities section of the code. There's not a local hire provision in the Munich

2183
04:05:29,920 --> 04:05:31,080
Any code for other projects?

2184
04:05:32,560 --> 04:05:36,920
Do we have authority to require local hire as a part of a project?

2185
04:05:37,640 --> 04:05:41,940
Without either a municode provision or some other rationale, I don't see it.

2186
04:05:42,740 --> 04:05:44,060
Because we're not actually

2187
04:05:46,360 --> 04:05:52,920
activating a mitigation for a project, like we're not falling through

2188
04:05:52,920 --> 04:05:53,980
a sequel, I guess would be.

2189
04:05:54,580 --> 04:05:56,100
We don't have some other rationale.

2190
04:05:56,420 --> 04:06:00,780
There's nothing in the code that allows us to apply some of these things.

2191
04:06:00,780 --> 04:06:03,480
So I'd like this to be an advisory to the City Council.

2192
04:06:08,310 --> 04:06:11,550
Okay, so do you want to help me understand?

2193
04:06:11,750 --> 04:06:13,610
Oh, yeah, I don't understand what we're doing.

2194
04:06:14,030 --> 04:06:21,070
So maybe Christie or Winner, does anyone else want to introduce conditions of approval?

2195
04:06:21,430 --> 04:06:22,970
Did you have any Commissioner Gorn?

2196
04:06:23,450 --> 04:06:25,230
No, we're really stuck.

2197
04:06:26,850 --> 04:06:34,010
I mean, unless you can come up with a condition of approval that's not advisory in nature,

2198
04:06:34,010 --> 04:06:39,150
I think we should just approve the project, as amended.

2199
04:06:45,390 --> 04:06:48,890
Do you have any chair gossip, conditions of approval?

2200
04:06:49,230 --> 04:06:55,520
Well, I'm not 100% certain we're stuck.

2201
04:06:55,960 --> 04:07:01,020
I mean, maybe we're stuck because it's late at night, but we're tired.

2202
04:07:01,780 --> 04:07:06,660
But I mean, are we stuck on the, I did say XXX square footage.

2203
04:07:06,840 --> 04:07:10,780
I didn't list the square footage of the Farm Worker Resource Center.

2204
04:07:10,780 --> 04:07:14,040
I did that purposefully because I wanted to talk about that.

2205
04:07:14,780 --> 04:07:24,560
If you guys are, you all feel that that's the appropriate size, because this project is supposed to be a 100% affordable housing project.

2206
04:07:25,200 --> 04:07:33,220
So I think housing is the priority here, and that's just something I'd like to maybe talk about.

2207
04:07:33,340 --> 04:07:37,300
No, I think it's a good conversation point, I think that that's right.

2208
04:07:37,300 --> 04:07:44,740
Right, so I think there's a standard for affordable

2209
04:07:47,240 --> 04:07:51,660
housing for particular types of populations that follows a form factor.

2210
04:07:52,580 --> 04:07:58,720
And I think Mercy is applying that form factor, that best practice that they've developed to this project.

2211
04:07:58,720 --> 04:08:11,040
I do think that the amount of resources applied to it seems extravagant, especially because

2212
04:08:11,040 --> 04:08:13,660
there's no concrete plans on what can be done.

2213
04:08:14,560 --> 04:08:25,000
I mean, it's, yeah, there's a lot tied into this, and there's not a clear cut plan to

2214
04:08:25,000 --> 04:08:35,940
how it's going to be used and the use could be, you know, a few thousand people a day or it could be a few dozen people a day, you know, depending on how it's applied.

2215
04:08:36,280 --> 04:08:45,480
And so I just, just from the amount of facilities that are there and the types of things you can do with a commercial kitchen, there's, there's a lot.

2216
04:08:45,480 --> 04:08:52,960
I mean, and I know Alas has an important mission in town, but I do agree that it's

2217
04:08:55,160 --> 04:08:58,980
for the mission and the building, it's a lot.

2218
04:08:59,560 --> 04:09:05,460
And I find it hard to substantiate the idea that you're going to provide food for

2219
04:09:05,460 --> 04:09:06,800
people seven days a week.

2220
04:09:06,940 --> 04:09:10,520
Maybe that's true, but there's no plan for it.

2221
04:09:10,780 --> 04:09:13,660
There's no, like there's an aspiration for it.

2222
04:09:13,660 --> 04:09:42,500
So I do find that that's strange credibility, that it's just for the folks who are here, and there's no real, I mean there's something in the condition of approval that they're going to constrain use on the weekends when it's peak, I think that was part of the original conditions of approval that's still there is, they're going to constrain use on the weekends so they don't interfere with other activities, but, yeah, I don't know.

2223
04:09:45,460 --> 04:09:56,780
So, and we're having a discussion. We haven't really talked about anything yet, but I think I'm fine to make a motion, too, but you wanted to talk about it.

2224
04:09:56,780 --> 04:09:57,540
No, I guess so.

2225
04:10:00,000 --> 04:10:28,860
You know, you brought up this XXX idea. And so, you know, the lawyer is over here telling me that we can't make any basic conditions of approval on square footage or, you know, or anything, really, that we just can't. And so, that's when I floated the idea of leaving it blank, that we could leave it blank and leave it up to city council.

2226
04:10:28,860 --> 04:10:37,260
Council, or the other idea, I guess, is to have it be at the number that was originally

2227
04:10:37,260 --> 04:10:44,860
proposed, the square footage that was originally proposed, and the unit make up that was originally

2228
04:10:44,860 --> 04:10:49,420
proposed, and have them fight with City Council over it, and they've shown that they can fight,

2229
04:10:50,460 --> 04:10:55,900
so they can fight with City Council about it, but we would approve the project with the

2230
04:10:55,900 --> 04:10:58,500
smaller numbers. That's the only thing I could see.

2231
04:10:59,700 --> 04:11:04,100
Well, the project is the project and we have to make a decision, sorry.

2232
04:11:05,600 --> 04:11:06,700
I think he's the one.

2233
04:11:09,400 --> 04:11:13,660
Oh, I was I think I was going to say the same thing as commission of radic was going to say.

2234
04:11:15,660 --> 04:11:18,840
The project at hand is the project at hand.

2235
04:11:19,160 --> 04:11:21,500
And we have to make a decision about it.

2236
04:11:21,500 --> 04:11:47,960
And you know, in preparation for this, I reread much of the LCP that we and City Council and Coastal Commission enacted in 2021, and there are 15 different policies, at least in the LCP that support affordable housing that support farm worker affordable housing that support affordable housing is in fill in downtown.

2237
04:11:47,960 --> 04:11:54,540
And I just personally don't want to quibble over this level of stuff anymore.

2238
04:11:54,940 --> 04:12:02,120
It deserves to be approved, and the City Council has sent us this for us to deliberate on

2239
04:12:02,120 --> 04:12:03,740
and make a decision.

2240
04:12:04,760 --> 04:12:08,260
But my point was that the City Council sent me something different.

2241
04:12:08,960 --> 04:12:15,620
They sent us this ENA to begin with, and then since they sent that to us,

2242
04:12:15,620 --> 04:12:20,600
there's been this creep of, well, actually, there's more, there's more, there's more.

2243
04:12:20,940 --> 04:12:25,280
We're going to go to another store, we're going to go to, they didn't increase the units,

2244
04:12:25,520 --> 04:12:31,280
but they increase the number of bedrooms, which means the number of people and the amount

2245
04:12:31,280 --> 04:12:33,780
of parking and the amount of traffic issues.

2246
04:12:34,360 --> 04:12:39,160
Like, those are all things that have changed since City Council sent it to us.

2247
04:12:39,160 --> 04:12:45,560
Well, the resolution at hand, Commissioner Gorn, is what we have to vote on unless we change it.

2248
04:12:46,000 --> 04:12:49,560
We can't change it through the Chair.

2249
04:12:49,900 --> 04:12:53,460
Within the State Density Bonus Laws.

2250
04:12:53,940 --> 04:12:57,980
Well, I think, I thought Winters said we could amend the resolution.

2251
04:12:58,640 --> 04:13:07,040
She did say we could, so I mean, let's be clear about what we are, we can do, and thank you.

2252
04:13:07,040 --> 04:13:08,560
To the chair, ma'am.

2253
04:13:11,520 --> 04:13:14,400
We can modify conditions of approval.

2254
04:13:14,900 --> 04:13:17,900
There are certain categories of things that are permissible.

2255
04:13:19,060 --> 04:13:23,620
I think my understanding is that we,

2256
04:13:26,160 --> 04:13:29,760
if we accept that state density bonus law applies,

2257
04:13:32,550 --> 04:13:36,230
and the project is otherwise consistent with the major policies

2258
04:13:36,230 --> 04:13:46,010
in the local coastal land use plan, we don't have the ability to say, well, this project has to be smaller.

2259
04:13:46,170 --> 04:13:51,710
In fact, even if we didn't have those things applicable, we can approve the project in front of us.

2260
04:13:52,450 --> 04:13:54,550
And I think we don't have very much discretion.

2261
04:13:56,330 --> 04:13:59,030
Well, we certainly have less discretion with State Density Bonus Law.

2262
04:13:59,150 --> 04:14:05,690
I mean, if you want to step back and have a discussion around State Density Bonus Law, I mean that could be something that could be done.

2263
04:14:05,690 --> 04:14:12,530
And there's a question of, do we accept the definition of major

2264
04:14:14,960 --> 04:14:17,300
transit stop, right?

2265
04:14:17,500 --> 04:14:20,280
And if you want to go there, then that would give you more leeway.

2266
04:14:20,800 --> 04:14:29,080
But it's, so, can we ask winter if we can amend this resolution?

2267
04:14:29,520 --> 04:14:29,680
Sure.

2268
04:14:29,980 --> 04:14:30,520
I will ask.

2269
04:14:31,600 --> 04:14:33,120
Winter did say we should.

2270
04:14:33,640 --> 04:14:36,140
I asked her that earlier and she said, yes.

2271
04:14:36,140 --> 04:14:38,260
Yes, that's what I thought.

2272
04:14:38,440 --> 04:14:45,700
It might be helpful, I don't think I actually heard what condition you wanted to impose on the side of the Farm Worker Resource Center.

2273
04:14:45,980 --> 04:14:50,000
And I'm not understanding whether it has to do with the change to the physical structure.

2274
04:14:50,240 --> 04:14:55,180
So maybe if you could illuminate that a little bit, then I'm happy to provide my opinion.

2275
04:14:55,580 --> 04:14:58,300
So, what I was saying is that the original product...

2276
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:29,980
The, what was sent to us by the city council and was agreed on in the ENA was a somewhat smaller project of where the 40 units were mostly studios and not one bedrooms and two bedrooms. And it was a mix, but it was, it was significantly less. And the amount of space for the resource center was also a little smaller. So. Are we can, you know, one, I'm asking.

2277
04:15:29,980 --> 04:15:35,620
asking if we can amend the resolution to include those numbers that the City Council sent to us in the first place.

2278
04:15:36,360 --> 04:15:39,820
Or do we have to approve the numbers that are given to us?

2279
04:15:40,500 --> 04:15:51,580
You could adopt a condition of approval that says we're approving this on condition that you redesigned the project to meet these qualifications.

2280
04:15:52,020 --> 04:15:57,440
I don't recommend that because you haven't seen that project, the redesigned project.

2281
04:15:57,440 --> 04:16:05,580
And I think it would be more useful to simply deny the project if you think that this current proposal is not consistent with the LCP.

2282
04:16:06,640 --> 04:16:10,060
So, you know, you can say redesign it.

2283
04:16:10,240 --> 04:16:16,440
It's not a useful condition, though, because it doesn't give enough direction to what we're supposed to do.

2284
04:16:17,360 --> 04:16:21,520
And I think it would lead to significant confusion down the line.

2285
04:16:22,540 --> 04:16:43,100
So that's my recommendation and you would have to support that condition with a finding linked to a Coastal Act policy or an LC-LUP policy saying that this is why we're asking them to redesign because it's inconsistent with X, Y, and Z policy supported by evidence.

2286
04:16:46,930 --> 04:16:52,430
So the evidence you would need to use would need to be something tied to safety or coastal resources.

2287
04:16:52,970 --> 04:17:02,890
I think from a coastal resources perspective, if this was parking across the street from the beach, it would be a very strong argument that I think would carry weight.

2288
04:17:04,410 --> 04:17:16,120
If it's parking a mile from the beach, which this is, it would probably carry a lot less weight even though it is an important part of downtown,

2289
04:17:16,120 --> 04:17:19,840
which is a coastal resource under our LCLUP,

2290
04:17:20,260 --> 04:17:24,180
but I think it's the primary point of the coastal act

2291
04:17:24,180 --> 04:17:26,040
is to make sure you can access the beach.

2292
04:17:27,440 --> 04:17:30,540
So that would be the policy, like a coastal resource policy

2293
04:17:30,540 --> 04:17:33,520
would be there, and that's kind of the analysis I've done

2294
04:17:33,520 --> 04:17:39,880
and says probably isn't super strong on coastal resource protection.

2295
04:17:40,720 --> 04:17:44,320
You can make the argument if there is a strong finding of

2296
04:17:45,340 --> 04:17:56,620
that the traffic, or the congestion, or the intersection isn't properly dealt with and it interferes with coastal access from downtown to Kelly in a material way.

2297
04:17:57,180 --> 04:18:00,840
That would be a significant policy that you could probably hang your hat on.

2298
04:18:02,700 --> 04:18:15,480
If my men think it would be coastal resource, it would be the gateway idea, and it would be the fact that this is the entrance to our downtown.

2299
04:18:16,400 --> 04:18:23,040
I think the problem we have is that we've got a bunch of wishy-washy language with a lack of objective criteria.

2300
04:18:23,220 --> 04:18:26,320
And I'm hoping we can talk about it during planning commissioner communications.

2301
04:18:26,720 --> 04:18:35,020
But we've got a substantial deficiency in our standard, which is evident in the fact that we haven't really provided

2302
04:18:35,020 --> 04:18:40,860
great guidance to the applicant and city staff gave it to roaring thumbs up, right?

2303
04:18:40,860 --> 04:18:45,620
It's clear that we have deficiencies that don't satisfy those conditions.

2304
04:18:46,000 --> 04:18:46,480
Unfortunately,

2305
04:18:49,080 --> 04:18:52,160
we don't have, we have residential design guidelines for

2306
04:18:52,160 --> 04:18:56,520
like a one and two unit house, but for anything that's three units and above,

2307
04:18:56,680 --> 04:18:58,060
we don't have them as a standard.

2308
04:18:59,200 --> 04:19:02,360
So that, we have policies that are vague.

2309
04:19:02,780 --> 04:19:07,240
That's the problem is you want to have a strong policies that you can defend.

2310
04:19:07,240 --> 04:19:15,320
So, you know, so approving this project as is, is approving a project that the City

2311
04:19:15,320 --> 04:19:21,200
Council did not approve, and it's approving a little bit extra than what, you know,

2312
04:19:21,760 --> 04:19:25,820
then what was originally presented to us.

2313
04:19:25,940 --> 04:19:30,260
If you're going to vote to deny, you have to pick a major policy.

2314
04:19:30,840 --> 04:19:31,920
You can't pick height.

2315
04:19:31,920 --> 04:19:39,520
Right, if you want to say that there's a policy, if there's a policy that conforms to, I

2316
04:19:41,890 --> 04:19:43,490
think it's in the staff report, actually.

2317
04:19:44,110 --> 04:19:45,490
I think I've-

2318
04:19:45,490 --> 04:19:59,410
I mean, if you want to vote by the project, I mean, if you want to mean my points to the City Council, and I think if we do an advisory that says that we strongly recommend that you-

2319
04:20:00,000 --> 04:20:29,980
Look at and adopt to the original, what was originally sent. It sounds like that's all we can do. Winter, I believe, is saying that we can only approve or disapprove the project at hand. We cannot change the language in it. We cannot change the resolution. Is that correct winter? No, you can modify the conditions of approval. If you make the modifications, you need to support any conditions of approval.

2320
04:20:29,980 --> 04:20:42,840
approval with some reference to why you're doing it related to the Coastal Act and the LCLUP policy consistency determination.

2321
04:20:43,340 --> 04:20:49,540
And there are some changes that if you made them would likely be inconsistent with state density bonus law,

2322
04:20:49,740 --> 04:20:57,000
which would be conditions that expressly say reduce the height, reduce the density, reduce the setbacks.

2323
04:20:57,500 --> 04:20:58,340
What am I missing?

2324
04:20:58,340 --> 04:20:59,520
We have a litany.

2325
04:20:59,740 --> 04:21:00,240
It reduced the open.

2326
04:21:00,900 --> 04:21:09,400
I just want, so adopting what was given to, like, the first e-na, right, the first e-na,

2327
04:21:10,600 --> 04:21:14,080
it had everything that met those criteria, right?

2328
04:21:14,620 --> 04:21:19,640
And if we had gotten a project in front of us that was the first project, we would just

2329
04:21:19,640 --> 04:21:20,420
be approving it.

2330
04:21:20,720 --> 04:21:22,940
And it would be approved, it's done.

2331
04:21:23,660 --> 04:21:31,320
And so, you know, what we have a hard time with, what I have a hard time with, is this creep

2332
04:21:31,320 --> 04:21:37,000
that's happened since the City Council said yes. And since the City Council said yes, then

2333
04:21:37,000 --> 04:21:43,540
it's like, add this, add this, add this, add this. And so, you know, and now we're looking

2334
04:21:43,540 --> 04:21:50,480
at a project that you're saying we need to approve as is, not what the City Council sent to

2335
04:21:50,480 --> 04:21:59,880
was originally, but what has been added by city staff and by the applicants and as it has morphed.

2336
04:22:00,880 --> 04:22:10,040
So, I have a hard time with that, but if that's my choice, is that I'm either going to approve the present project,

2337
04:22:10,880 --> 04:22:16,080
which is kind of what you're saying, you either approve the present project or you deny.

2338
04:22:16,380 --> 04:22:18,780
That's what you want, you want an approval or denial.

2339
04:22:18,780 --> 04:22:22,960
And, you know, if that's the choice, then I just would have to approve.

2340
04:22:24,160 --> 04:22:34,640
But you're saying that's, you know, we amending this resolution is too fraught, is what you're saying.

2341
04:22:35,120 --> 04:22:41,660
It causes too many problems, too much to say the reason is the City Council gave us a project

2342
04:22:41,660 --> 04:22:46,260
that we really should have looked at, originally, like that's the project that we should be considering.

2343
04:22:47,100 --> 04:22:49,340
that's not enough of a reason, right?

2344
04:22:49,860 --> 04:22:51,700
That's not a reason, it's not LCB reason.

2345
04:22:52,240 --> 04:22:52,960
That's correct.

2346
04:22:53,840 --> 04:22:57,480
I'm not sure, David, that that is an accurate depiction

2347
04:22:57,480 --> 04:23:00,020
of what the city manager told us a little while ago

2348
04:23:00,020 --> 04:23:03,260
about the city council's oversight of this project.

2349
04:23:03,920 --> 04:23:05,960
I think you're greatly exaggerating

2350
04:23:07,580 --> 04:23:10,600
their passivity and even ignorance of the process.

2351
04:23:11,960 --> 04:23:14,680
I think that I assume, and I believe,

2352
04:23:14,680 --> 04:23:23,080
I've been told by at least one City Council member that this is the project that they intended to be in front of us.

2353
04:23:25,030 --> 04:23:36,190
My meeting with a City Council person was completely different, where this Council person didn't know that the project had increased in scope.

2354
04:23:36,970 --> 04:23:39,370
And wondered why they didn't know about it.

2355
04:23:39,490 --> 04:23:44,770
And I did scour the City website to see if there had ever been a presentation to the City.

2356
04:23:44,770 --> 04:23:52,450
And maybe they had one-on-one meetings with city staff that I'm not aware of, because I don't know everything that City Council does.

2357
04:23:52,710 --> 04:24:06,610
But for 55 minutes, someone spoke about the fact that this project had increased in scope significantly without them maybe offering input, not that they, you know, so anyway.

2358
04:24:07,890 --> 04:24:10,230
I'm sure there's different opinions.

2359
04:24:10,230 --> 04:24:13,970
So there's a couple of things here, if I may.

2360
04:24:14,270 --> 04:24:20,620
Sorry, we city

2361
04:24:23,470 --> 04:24:24,890
council sets policy.

2362
04:24:25,430 --> 04:24:27,450
They direct staff to go do things.

2363
04:24:28,050 --> 04:24:29,810
Staff have gone and done something.

2364
04:24:30,810 --> 04:24:37,250
In our estimation, I think, a majority of the people at this day

2365
04:24:37,250 --> 04:24:41,530
as believe that city staff have exceeded their mandate.

2366
04:24:42,350 --> 04:24:48,290
Nonetheless, the applicant has gone through a process, they've come to us with a project.

2367
04:24:49,150 --> 04:24:53,190
We have not made a sequel finding that the project needs to be mitigated.

2368
04:24:54,290 --> 04:24:57,930
We've found it otherwise in conformance with policies.

2369
04:25:00,000 --> 04:25:29,180
This seems like a big pill to swallow because it definitely exceeds the scope of what anybody envisioned and I provided clear feedback two years ago that it was already too tall at four stories and we needed to really think about this. So, this is not a new thing and somehow we got to this point. I get it stuff happens. But we have an obligation to, we have an obligation to,

2370
04:25:29,180 --> 04:25:37,820
to provide a attached conditions of approval that are legal and get that done.

2371
04:25:38,460 --> 04:25:44,240
And if there are other conditions of approval that you want to attach that are legally enforceable and

2372
04:25:44,240 --> 04:25:52,040
don't, I mean, don't involve things that are impermissible under state density bonus law.

2373
04:25:52,360 --> 04:25:55,380
Great, but you got to defend it with the Coastal Act.

2374
04:25:55,380 --> 04:26:08,080
And so, you know, the major policies that we've brought out, and we've been hashed out for the last six weeks, and for those of you who don't read the spreadsheets, there's a lot of detail we've gone through, like pick a policy.

2375
04:26:09,240 --> 04:26:19,800
So, what do you mean by enforceable? Because I've seen that conditions of approval on past projects as the cities approved have not been enforced by this PDPs.

2376
04:26:20,620 --> 04:26:22,260
So, I don't understand that.

2377
04:26:22,260 --> 04:26:23,000
So,

2378
04:26:25,700 --> 04:26:31,560
we can't attach a condition of approval that affects the, um, the exclusions.

2379
04:26:31,920 --> 04:26:34,080
So, height, open space, those things.

2380
04:26:34,280 --> 04:26:35,640
That we already have decided.

2381
04:26:35,640 --> 04:26:36,820
Right, yeah, yeah, that's clear.

2382
04:26:36,820 --> 04:26:38,020
So, what do you guys want to do?

2383
04:26:38,340 --> 04:26:42,860
I mean, I think we need to hear from the two of you because we kind of talked it out as much as we can.

2384
04:26:54,280 --> 04:26:59,640
Did nobody else have comments on the conditions of approval?

2385
04:27:01,380 --> 04:27:05,700
I don't, um, I don't, I guess what I don't understand.

2386
04:27:05,700 --> 04:27:30,420
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that the city owns the land and if they own the land they have a say as to what goes on or is built on that land and we're being told that I mean I understand what winter is saying that we have the CDP before us and we could approve it or deny it.

2387
04:27:30,420 --> 04:27:36,620
But I, as a commissioner, I've always understood that we could attach conditions of approval.

2388
04:27:39,920 --> 04:27:51,960
And so I'm wondering if we can attach a condition of approval to have all the things that we're talking about being included in the D-D-D-L-A.

2389
04:27:55,380 --> 04:28:02,900
No, because the applicant is not in charge of what ends up in the D-D-L-A, that's a negotiation between the city.

2390
04:28:02,900 --> 04:28:04,180
the applicant.

2391
04:28:06,240 --> 04:28:11,640
So no, and I just, I mean I know this is all, you all know this, but because

2392
04:28:11,640 --> 04:28:17,840
the City Council still needs to negotiate the DDLA, if this change in the scope from

2393
04:28:17,840 --> 04:28:24,740
the original response to the RFQ is troubling, they have every opportunity, I think it's been,

2394
04:28:25,020 --> 04:28:32,060
you know, vocalized here and elsewhere, and if you do make sort of recommendation motion

2395
04:28:32,060 --> 04:28:35,920
that will, you know, be carried to them as well.

2396
04:28:36,200 --> 04:28:40,000
So this is not the last and final stop.

2397
04:28:40,180 --> 04:28:41,520
And as we've discussed before,

2398
04:28:42,300 --> 04:28:45,260
the Planning Commission's role is separate

2399
04:28:45,260 --> 04:28:46,700
from the City Council in this way.

2400
04:28:46,860 --> 04:28:48,820
The City Council will have both roles.

2401
04:28:49,000 --> 04:28:50,860
They'll have the role of reviewing any appeal

2402
04:28:51,300 --> 04:28:54,580
of the decision on the CDP if that should be appealed.

2403
04:28:55,040 --> 04:28:58,440
And then they have their separate role as the body

2404
04:28:58,440 --> 04:29:00,280
that's in charge of deciding what happens

2405
04:29:00,280 --> 04:29:02,620
with City Land to negotiate the D.D.L.A.

2406
04:29:10,800 --> 04:29:15,000
So just to answer your question, Margaret, because there's actually an answer,

2407
04:29:15,300 --> 04:29:18,060
and there's almost always an answer in this document.

2408
04:29:18,940 --> 04:29:22,820
Policy 2, 2, talks about complete policy compliance.

2409
04:29:23,260 --> 04:29:27,100
And I'm going to read a portion of the policy, which says allow flexibility only when

2410
04:29:27,100 --> 04:29:29,460
the Land Use Plan provides for an exception.

2411
04:29:30,380 --> 04:29:35,900
And so the Land Use Plan and conjunction with State Density Bonus Law, these things all work together.

2412
04:29:35,900 --> 04:29:41,620
And the state density bonus law knows there's all kinds of provisions, but

2413
04:29:41,620 --> 04:29:46,880
it's embedded in what we're doing by statute, right?

2414
04:29:47,220 --> 04:29:52,260
And so if there's a specific exception that's allowed, there's a policy that allows for it as great.

2415
04:29:52,560 --> 04:29:56,740
One of the problems with the state density bonus law is it is a sledgehammer for

2416
04:29:56,740 --> 04:29:58,260
a local control by design.

2417
04:29:58,260 --> 04:29:59,980
It's designed...

2418
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:29,660
We're asking it every other planning commission across California for the last 50 years, and we're asking legitimate questions, and we would normally, in the course of things, push back and say, yes, you'll only be four stories, move on. But that's what we do for projects that don't have affordable housing in them. State density bonus law is designed to purposefully bypass this process. And so if we want to fix that, there's a second thing that needs to happen after this

2419
04:30:29,660 --> 04:30:35,440
And after this particular item is we need to talk about how we're going to get organized because we are not organized as a city.

2420
04:30:35,580 --> 04:30:41,580
We are in fact disorganized on this item and it is super, it's not imputing the character of anyone.

2421
04:30:41,960 --> 04:30:46,880
We got a lot of things going on, but this demonstrates that we're not organized for how we address state,

2422
04:30:46,940 --> 04:30:51,560
density, bonus lawn, how we harmonize it with our local coastal plant,

2423
04:30:52,140 --> 04:30:54,520
the land juice plan, which is what we're supposed to be doing.

2424
04:30:54,520 --> 04:31:12,980
So I would recommend we stop, we move forward with an item, we approve the project, and then I think we need to make a statement, and I'm happy to make a very strong statement as to my opinion on the project, but this is where we're at, we're not organized.

2425
04:31:12,980 --> 04:31:18,340
So, unless you guys have something else to say, I would like to make a motion to approve this project as amended.

2426
04:31:19,300 --> 04:31:31,320
We need to be careful because we just attached a bunch of, Hazel just proposed a bunch of changes that we have to do it all at once.

2427
04:31:32,060 --> 04:31:32,500
We have to do it all at once, we have to do it all at once.

2428
04:31:32,500 --> 04:31:33,520
Did you withdraw, can we?

2429
04:31:34,560 --> 04:31:37,060
No, she made him an advisory.

2430
04:31:38,540 --> 04:31:42,640
Sorry, I thought you proposed doing it as an advisory note.

2431
04:31:42,640 --> 04:31:49,140
Just the one item that, just the one item that Commissioner Hernandez questioned.

2432
04:31:53,200 --> 04:31:53,840
I'm sorry.

2433
04:31:54,260 --> 04:31:55,140
So we have to go turn it off.

2434
04:31:55,380 --> 04:31:58,000
I actually, I

2435
04:32:00,370 --> 04:32:05,790
don't want to amend my motion to include that requirement, but there are other requirements.

2436
04:32:05,990 --> 04:32:07,110
Okay, sure, it sounds good.

2437
04:32:07,110 --> 04:32:16,070
And maybe in terms of clarity, if you don't mind reading back to us so that we understand all the conditions

2438
04:32:16,070 --> 04:32:19,970
questions that were given to staff.

2439
04:32:20,790 --> 04:32:27,310
Yeah, and just my recollection of what happened was Commissioner Hernandez made a motion second by Commissioner Ruddick.

2440
04:32:27,450 --> 04:32:32,870
Then you withdrew your motion and chair Gossett made a motion to approve the project.

2441
04:32:33,350 --> 04:32:36,050
Then there was discussion about whether to add any conditions.

2442
04:32:36,430 --> 04:32:39,350
So I think technically it's chair Gossett's motion.

2443
04:32:39,570 --> 04:32:45,130
And if she wishes to amend her motion to add any of these conditions, she may do so.

2444
04:32:45,130 --> 04:32:49,270
So, and then we can vote on that, we, not me, you can vote on that.

2445
04:32:52,330 --> 04:33:00,850
So, I move that we approve this as I read earlier, with the conditions of approval stated

2446
04:33:01,570 --> 04:33:05,530
during the course of the discussion after this motion was introduced.

2447
04:33:06,190 --> 04:33:06,770
Is that okay?

2448
04:33:06,910 --> 04:33:07,410
Can I do that?

2449
04:33:07,650 --> 04:33:08,590
So, you want all of them?

2450
04:33:08,810 --> 04:33:10,390
All of Commissioner Arbyscher?

2451
04:33:10,390 --> 04:33:17,710
Yes, and if someone wants to remove any of them right now is now is now is the time to speak up.

2452
04:33:17,830 --> 04:33:23,570
I thought we could have like a little act of listening going on so that we're sure and clear about what they are.

2453
04:33:23,670 --> 04:33:25,690
Would you like me to read back the ones?

2454
04:33:26,130 --> 04:33:27,210
Yes, please.

2455
04:33:27,570 --> 04:33:36,150
Okay, I just want to just pause like it's we just attached a bunch of stuff that I've never seen before in I mean.

2456
04:33:36,150 --> 04:33:39,570
I mean, I haven't seen before this evening, I should say.

2457
04:33:40,190 --> 04:33:41,450
Other cities do that.

2458
04:33:42,150 --> 04:33:43,530
Yeah, but I haven't seen it.

2459
04:33:43,910 --> 04:33:45,430
I guess that's the concern.

2460
04:33:45,590 --> 04:33:46,770
You want me to just read the real.

2461
04:33:46,810 --> 04:33:49,330
A lot of them seem like changes in policy.

2462
04:33:49,850 --> 04:33:54,230
Like with that, that maybe we should have, definitely should have.

2463
04:33:54,370 --> 04:33:57,550
But we haven't, it hasn't been in any reports and we haven't talked about it.

2464
04:33:58,210 --> 04:33:58,650
That's all.

2465
04:33:59,390 --> 04:34:04,910
Yeah, personally, I'm overwhelmed by that long list of proposals you made.

2466
04:34:04,910 --> 04:34:07,110
I don't know how to think about them.

2467
04:34:07,350 --> 04:34:17,670
I'm sure that some of them are things that the city, engineering and other staff oversee as part of any construction projects in the city.

2468
04:34:19,700 --> 04:34:26,920
Some of them are also related to making sure that our community work force is employed through this project.

2469
04:34:27,860 --> 04:34:30,840
But we don't, like we don't set that policy.

2470
04:34:31,600 --> 04:34:37,220
Like council sets policy, our responsibility is to enforce policy.

2471
04:34:37,920 --> 04:34:39,400
So then you can remove it.

2472
04:34:43,510 --> 04:34:46,410
Are you talking about one condition of approval?

2473
04:34:47,910 --> 04:34:50,810
The commission can remove any or all, okay.

2474
04:34:51,750 --> 04:34:52,950
Do you want to read back?

2475
04:34:54,330 --> 04:34:56,210
Yeah, I'm happy to read back.

2476
04:34:56,210 --> 04:34:56,570
back.

2477
04:35:00,000 --> 04:35:29,680
I do just from a procedural perspective, currently the motion is to include all of the conditions I'm about to read. So if you could take a vote on that, and then see if that motion passes, and if it doesn't, somebody else could propose it with different conditions, or Chair Gossett, you could amend your motion if you decide after discussion to not include all of the conditions I'm about to read. But my understanding was, Chair Gossett made the motion.

2478
04:35:29,680 --> 04:35:36,380
She amended it to add all the conditions that had been discussed. I'm about to read them and then we'll go from there

2479
04:35:36,380 --> 04:35:42,920
Is that is that clear? Is that what am I on the right where am I she wants I mean

2480
04:35:43,420 --> 04:35:47,820
We don't even we don't remember what those conditions are. Yeah, that's what I'm about to read

2481
04:35:49,980 --> 04:35:54,620
We need to see if there's a second for that motion before we spend time on that

2482
04:35:55,720 --> 04:35:56,960
Did I make a second?

2483
04:35:57,700 --> 04:35:59,440
I think there was a second.

2484
04:35:59,680 --> 04:36:03,480
I'm not sure there was a second to the amendment, though,

2485
04:36:03,920 --> 04:36:06,320
when Chair Gosset changed it.

2486
04:36:08,390 --> 04:36:09,910
I make a second to the amendment,

2487
04:36:09,910 --> 04:36:11,690
and you can read through the items.

2488
04:36:12,690 --> 04:36:12,910
Okay.

2489
04:36:13,990 --> 04:36:16,730
So what I have, I mean my glasses here,

2490
04:36:17,450 --> 04:36:19,930
and these are not the conditions that we talked about

2491
04:36:19,930 --> 04:36:21,750
with respect to the architectural review,

2492
04:36:22,010 --> 04:36:23,050
we've already discussed those.

2493
04:36:23,710 --> 04:36:28,550
So the first was the two conditions of approval,

2494
04:36:28,550 --> 04:36:52,450
that were proposed by the applicant with the modifications that Commissioner Hernandez made to the second condition in order to require mercy to report back to this community development director with the memo explaining its analysis and then moving on to the conditions that were proposed by Vice Chair Joannis.

2495
04:36:52,450 --> 04:37:21,610
I have at a condition with a local workforce preference, grant the city the right to evaluate construction plans and specifications and bid proposals, a 10% tenant preference for local senior farm workers in the co-side area, and I'll note that overlaps with an existing condition of approval in there on the local preference so you might want to discuss that.

2496
04:37:23,630 --> 04:37:35,150
Require the applicant to install safety rails in all units and hallways, and I apologize, I was writing quickly, so if I get it wrong, please correct me.

2497
04:37:36,250 --> 04:37:49,730
Require the project to include walk-in showers in all units, and this one, I'm not totally sure, consider modifications for physically challenged units, including for site impaired.

2498
04:37:49,730 --> 04:37:57,870
It's to include units that are sight impaired, hearing impaired, and include, okay.

2499
04:38:00,210 --> 04:38:06,990
And locating ingress and egress of construction equipment, I think this was away from sensitive

2500
04:38:06,990 --> 04:38:07,510
receptors,

2501
04:38:10,110 --> 04:38:11,870
away from residential streets?

2502
04:38:11,870 --> 04:38:12,350
Yes.

2503
04:38:13,430 --> 04:38:13,670
Okay.

2504
04:38:17,070 --> 04:38:21,210
Restrict operation of large earth moving equipment.

2505
04:38:21,590 --> 04:38:24,250
That one was away from sensitive receptors, believe.

2506
04:38:26,730 --> 04:38:32,050
Restrict activities that cause high levels of vibration so that there's not an overlap

2507
04:38:32,050 --> 04:38:35,990
of different activities with these same high levels of vibration at the same time.

2508
04:38:37,830 --> 04:38:44,390
Then there was one, I will need help on about weekend operations and rollers and packers.

2509
04:38:44,850 --> 04:38:49,470
Yes, a restrict weekend construction activities and the utilization of

2510
04:38:49,470 --> 04:38:51,450
vibratory rollers and packers.

2511
04:38:56,100 --> 04:39:00,460
And then I think I just, I have a blank for the next one, so you need to just fill that one in.

2512
04:39:01,160 --> 04:39:08,780
Offer temporary living accommodation, school rooms, and office space to those with high sensibilities to vibrations.

2513
04:39:08,780 --> 04:39:09,720
Okay,

2514
04:39:13,560 --> 04:39:18,920
and then require a pre-construction assessment of neighboring buildings,

2515
04:39:19,480 --> 04:39:28,220
washed down of the church school and shoreline from, I understood it to be construction dust,

2516
04:39:29,140 --> 04:39:38,000
provide air quality monitoring, and I'm not sure if that was specified where, mostly at the schools,

2517
04:39:39,360 --> 04:39:41,760
with the kids protections for the children.

2518
04:39:42,160 --> 04:39:47,240
And I think there's two schools, the one that's operating at the church in Cunha.

2519
04:39:50,400 --> 04:39:56,840
And then there was a restriction on the use of the Farm Worker Resources Center.

2520
04:39:57,600 --> 04:39:59,960
And I did not catch all the uses that you-

2521
04:40:00,000 --> 04:40:01,260
We wanted to restrict it, too.

2522
04:40:05,270 --> 04:40:08,490
It's the use to residents only for healthy living tea.

2523
04:40:08,970 --> 04:40:18,010
Well, it's for residents for, you know, reserve for exactly what Aless wants to do for it, but it's restricted only to the residents.

2524
04:40:18,130 --> 04:40:30,550
Okay, thank you. And then provide hotel accommodations for construction workers Monday through Friday, and provide lunches to construction workers.

2525
04:40:30,550 --> 04:40:36,670
And then, so that was my list of Commissioner Joannis's conditions.

2526
04:40:37,230 --> 04:40:43,010
There was some discussion about the Farm Worker Resources Center, but I didn't hear an actual condition proposed.

2527
04:40:43,410 --> 04:41:00,250
Through the chair, so I just wanted to strongly make a, so I appreciate actually a lot of this because my kids went to a school where a mercy project was being built.

2528
04:41:00,250 --> 04:41:03,690
next to it, and where other projects are being built next to it.

2529
04:41:03,810 --> 04:41:08,390
So I think the fact that we're next to and existing, two existing schools in a church,

2530
04:41:09,150 --> 04:41:11,430
a lot of these policies make sense.

2531
04:41:12,930 --> 04:41:18,270
And they're based off of existing standards that other Bay Area communities have.

2532
04:41:19,930 --> 04:41:27,010
I'm uncomfortable with everything after where we talk about what all of us can do with the site.

2533
04:41:28,870 --> 04:41:34,130
Because I don't think that's within our purview, certainly not asking people to feed anyone.

2534
04:41:34,290 --> 04:41:41,190
So I'd make the motion to strike everything from where we talk about all of us.

2535
04:41:41,770 --> 04:41:46,030
And also, you already remove the restrictions on bathrooms, but

2536
04:41:47,710 --> 04:41:55,690
I would modify the language around the rails, because that's kind of an implementation detail of the project that I think is best left to mercy, that would be my suggestion.

2537
04:41:55,690 --> 04:42:02,310
I didn't remove the bathroom thing, I'm suggesting if you guys don't like it, you guys can remove it.

2538
04:42:02,350 --> 04:42:07,730
I'm making the recommendation that we remove the bathroom from the changes and the railing changes from the amendment.

2539
04:42:09,250 --> 04:42:09,850
Through the chair.

2540
04:42:12,810 --> 04:42:24,110
So, there are all thoughtful suggestions, I would respectfully ask that they be advisory because I just don't have the time or

2541
04:42:24,110 --> 04:42:26,890
I don't know, we haven't talked about any of them.

2542
04:42:27,230 --> 04:42:31,050
Maybe even though they sound like really smart, good.

2543
04:42:31,430 --> 04:42:40,710
Like, I'm sure other communities do them, I think as an advisory, it might work better.

2544
04:42:41,270 --> 04:42:47,470
Yeah, maybe we could do something along the lines of have a construction management practices,

2545
04:42:47,470 --> 04:43:17,330
is consistent with sensitive receptors with the recognition that there are two schools next door to the project and leave it to city staff to make sure that this is addressed when work happened at Seacrest on the other mercy housing project, there was a lot of dust and mass thrown up and also with the other housing that wasn't just mercies that happened there and it was pretty frustrating as a parent because we had no

2546
04:43:17,330 --> 04:43:27,190
So I do think that we can just make a recommendation that city put in place, unless there's other specific things that you think you really want to hang your hat on.

2547
04:43:27,990 --> 04:43:29,530
So what were you saying?

2548
04:43:30,490 --> 04:43:33,350
Delegated to the city to make sure that we have a strong.

2549
04:43:33,970 --> 04:43:35,290
Sure, that's fine.

2550
04:43:36,010 --> 04:43:41,390
And then maybe also delegated the city and I think winter perhaps this one was missed.

2551
04:43:42,370 --> 04:44:09,970
provide, you know, maybe the city can do is delegated as a city, provide pre-construction assessment of the properties around so that, you know, there's some kind of baseline to show what the condition of the properties around here versus, you know, the construction activities causing damage to the neighboring, especially from the vibrations of the neighboring.

2552
04:44:09,970 --> 04:44:12,130
That's reasonable, I think that's reasonable.

2553
04:44:13,110 --> 04:44:39,230
I do the chair I'd second that, but I also want to make sure that we, through the chair, make additional amendment that we clarify that we need to have a clear policy on where construction workers are parking and they are not to disrupt the normal commercial activities of shoreline station or accessibility to Ted Adcock for community events during construction.

2554
04:44:42,020 --> 04:44:59,280
Just for clarity, would you want to hook that up, but it sounds like you were asking the applicant to work with staff on basically a construction plan that address noise sensitive receptors and would you want to add construction worker parking?

2555
04:44:59,280 --> 04:44:59,740
Yes.

2556
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:05,280
Absolutely. And construction, um, equipment staging.

2557
04:45:16,900 --> 04:45:40,900
So it's your motion. Um, so I think we have to amend it because quite a few of the things became. Is it better just to withdraw the motion and reintroduce with? I think we've just. We just want to read it back one more time. That's what's been a minute. So what I heard. If I understand correctly, there was sort of a discussion to consolidate.

2558
04:45:40,900 --> 04:45:45,080
Vice-Chair Juannis' list of conditions into two.

2559
04:45:45,980 --> 04:45:48,340
So if I got that direction, generally right,

2560
04:45:48,780 --> 04:45:51,660
I will read through the conditions.

2561
04:45:52,060 --> 04:45:54,080
So your motion would be to approve the project

2562
04:45:54,080 --> 04:45:56,060
with these additional conditions

2563
04:45:56,900 --> 04:45:58,460
if you choose to it so amended.

2564
04:45:59,660 --> 04:46:03,120
So the first two again are the two that the applicant proposed

2565
04:46:03,120 --> 04:46:04,340
those weren't changed.

2566
04:46:04,920 --> 04:46:08,540
And then the second two

2567
04:46:08,540 --> 04:46:38,520
are that the applicant shall work with city staff on a construction management plan, addressing construction practices consistent with sensitive receptors nearby schools, and that also addresses construction worker parking and equipment staging, and then the second condition would be to provide a pre-construction as well.

2568
04:46:38,520 --> 04:46:41,820
assessment of properties neighboring the project site.

2569
04:46:43,020 --> 04:46:46,080
And maybe there could be some clarification,

2570
04:46:46,400 --> 04:46:49,300
is this the applicant's going to provide this

2571
04:46:49,300 --> 04:46:51,900
to the community development director

2572
04:46:51,900 --> 04:46:55,380
or write up a report of neighboring properties conditions?

2573
04:46:55,900 --> 04:46:56,900
Or to

2574
04:46:59,420 --> 04:47:00,980
be defined at the discretion

2575
04:47:00,980 --> 04:47:03,160
of the community development director,

2576
04:47:03,380 --> 04:47:04,660
would be what I would do.

2577
04:47:05,240 --> 04:47:08,640
And we also want to make sure that we get the guidance

2578
04:47:08,640 --> 04:47:10,120
on architectural advisory,

2579
04:47:10,120 --> 04:47:19,780
which is, they can proceed with the project with the design guidance we gave to which I don't want to repeat.

2580
04:47:20,620 --> 04:47:25,760
Yeah, those two conditions, so you got height and you got, okay, at that.

2581
04:47:25,780 --> 04:47:29,580
Well, I got the two conditions I had on your prior motion, is that what you're asking?

2582
04:47:29,580 --> 04:47:29,700
Yes.

2583
04:47:30,640 --> 04:47:36,840
Were to work with staff to better incorporate design elements from half Mumbai and use design elements to,

2584
04:47:36,840 --> 04:47:41,380
to, and I think this was sort of like, did you write it up?

2585
04:47:44,570 --> 04:47:50,290
Oh, and then the second, well, to use design elements to better mask the building mask,

2586
04:47:50,730 --> 04:47:55,570
and then the second was to incorporate the mural process to the extent legally possible.

2587
04:47:55,950 --> 04:48:02,590
And it was directed at the roof, so direct, incorporate design elements into the roof to help hide

2588
04:48:02,590 --> 04:48:05,710
mass and provide for better screening from the wind.

2589
04:48:05,710 --> 04:48:06,630
But

2590
04:48:14,500 --> 04:48:18,080
those two are not part of this motion, that's part of the prior.

2591
04:48:18,080 --> 04:48:19,920
I want to make sure we capture it all more.

2592
04:48:20,060 --> 04:48:20,320
Okay.

2593
04:48:25,070 --> 04:48:27,590
We need to get a roll call so we can do the advisory ones.

2594
04:48:28,030 --> 04:48:28,210
Yes.

2595
04:48:31,700 --> 04:48:32,220
Bridge area.

2596
04:48:32,720 --> 04:48:32,940
Yep.

2597
04:48:36,340 --> 04:48:37,300
Commissioner Gorn?

2598
04:48:37,860 --> 04:48:38,340
Yes.

2599
04:48:38,700 --> 04:48:39,440
Commissioner Reddick?

2600
04:48:39,840 --> 04:48:40,060
Yes.

2601
04:48:41,340 --> 04:48:42,300
Commissioner Hernandez?

2602
04:48:42,960 --> 04:48:43,220
Yes.

2603
04:48:44,120 --> 04:48:49,800
Vice Chair, I'm sorry, Vice Chair Johannes, I have to say abstain.

2604
04:48:50,660 --> 04:48:52,780
And Chair Gossett?

2605
04:48:52,900 --> 04:48:53,440
Yes.

2606
04:49:01,420 --> 04:49:03,080
It's four, four, four,

2607
04:49:07,820 --> 04:49:08,360
if

2608
04:49:11,370 --> 04:49:15,410
I could just get a little clarification for my comment earlier

2609
04:49:15,410 --> 04:49:23,070
since we did this in two steps, I'm taking those two motions together as effectively approving

2610
04:49:23,070 --> 04:49:28,650
the resolution with those additional conditions that were discussed during those two motions.

2611
04:49:29,030 --> 04:49:29,910
Do I have that correct?

2612
04:49:29,910 --> 04:49:30,150
That's correct.

2613
04:49:30,150 --> 04:49:30,870
That was the intention.

2614
04:49:31,250 --> 04:49:31,430
Yes.

2615
04:49:31,430 --> 04:49:32,190
Okay, thank you.

2616
04:49:36,920 --> 04:49:45,300
So I'd like to make a motion that we issue an advisory statement to the City Council on this project.

2617
04:49:47,820 --> 04:49:48,820
I will second that.

2618
04:49:50,340 --> 04:49:52,580
I'd like to discuss that before we vote on it.

2619
04:49:52,780 --> 04:49:53,040
Okay.

2620
04:49:53,900 --> 04:49:57,800
I don't think that's an appropriate thing for the Planning Commission to do.

2621
04:49:58,480 --> 04:49:59,960
I don't think it's within our-

2622
04:50:00,000 --> 04:50:28,880
I'm urging the council to revert to a less tall building. I worry that it has the force of urging the city council to violate the state laws in this case. I suggest that it might be more fruitful if individual planning commissioners feel free to talk to the city council about their opinions. I think the state law has been explained very clearly to us and

2623
04:50:28,880 --> 04:50:31,260
And we'll be very clearly explained to the City Council.

2624
04:50:31,980 --> 04:50:35,820
Yeah, so my motion is not going to deal with height.

2625
04:50:36,440 --> 04:50:41,260
It's going to be, how about I make a motion and we can discuss it.

2626
04:50:41,660 --> 04:50:43,200
And we can figure out if we want to.

2627
04:50:43,960 --> 04:50:48,160
Well, I haven't actually provided any detail, I just said, let's say something.

2628
04:50:48,700 --> 04:50:50,060
I haven't said what we're going to say.

2629
04:50:50,360 --> 04:50:52,320
I heard you make a motion in some second.

2630
04:50:53,580 --> 04:50:58,200
So I like to make a motion that we, I like the motion, let's clarify what the motion,

2631
04:50:58,200 --> 04:51:00,640
the advisory statement is, this is up for discussion.

2632
04:51:04,460 --> 04:51:14,240
I think we're looking for, actually, what I would like to make an advisory statement is clarification.

2633
04:51:16,040 --> 04:51:17,920
Shoot, I'm going to back off.

2634
04:51:18,120 --> 04:51:20,880
Gorn, do you want to make this, I'm going to withdraw my motion.

2635
04:51:21,200 --> 04:51:21,360
Okay,

2636
04:51:24,820 --> 04:51:33,360
I would make a motion that the city council strongly look at.

2637
04:51:33,360 --> 04:51:37,500
that the motion at the ENA that it approved

2638
04:51:43,010 --> 04:51:51,070
2023 in June 2023 or

2639
04:51:58,520 --> 04:52:02,860
representative of the project that they has for in the first place.

2640
04:52:06,460 --> 04:52:13,300
I would also add to that motion the other advisory concerns that we had.

2641
04:52:13,300 --> 04:52:17,460
And I actually don't remember what they were.

2642
04:52:19,460 --> 04:52:20,580
I'd like to.

2643
04:52:21,960 --> 04:52:25,080
Yeah, so I

2644
04:52:30,720 --> 04:52:32,540
think the point is there.

2645
04:52:32,720 --> 04:52:46,200
No, no, I think City Council needs to provide direction on the whether or not this project is applicable to the scope of work they originally issued and it's consistent with what their objectives are from a policy perspective.

2646
04:52:46,960 --> 04:53:02,600
I would say that this project can be accommodated at this site with a significantly reduced mass in many formulations, which could include removal of parking from the site and location at another place.

2647
04:53:03,160 --> 04:53:13,460
It could include a reduction in the office space and the programming space, which seems excessive because there's no clear plan for it.

2648
04:53:15,200 --> 04:53:25,520
And the consideration of, I mean, yeah, those are, I mean, just consistent with the original scope of the project.

2649
04:53:25,840 --> 04:53:32,140
I mean, the City Council should make its termination, what he said in a more coherent way, I hope.

2650
04:53:33,120 --> 04:53:42,080
And also looking at the original scope of having, you know, 31 studios with 9 1 bedroom units.

2651
04:53:42,080 --> 04:53:44,080
It's like they should revisit that,

2652
04:53:46,420 --> 04:53:51,740
because that might, even though we're not supposed to consider parking.

2653
04:53:52,340 --> 04:53:54,580
We were told we couldn't as part of this process.

2654
04:53:55,140 --> 04:54:04,980
This is a vibrant area that people use and we haven't really come up with a way to deal with all the parking that may occur.

2655
04:54:04,980 --> 04:54:10,360
Although we need a coherent, I think with the point was we need a coherent parking plan for

2656
04:54:10,360 --> 04:54:20,040
this part of not all of downtown, but specific to this particular area that includes the campus of the middle school,

2657
04:54:20,300 --> 04:54:24,520
the boys and girls club, shoreline station, the Catholic church.

2658
04:54:25,400 --> 04:54:30,960
This needs to be addressed urgently, and

2659
04:54:30,960 --> 04:54:41,280
And in particular, the intersection between the event center and 555 Kelly today is severely

2660
04:54:41,280 --> 04:54:41,940
problematic.

2661
04:54:42,300 --> 04:54:48,380
We've heard testimony about the death of a bicyclist at this intersection on Kelly.

2662
04:54:49,160 --> 04:54:53,420
But this area is problematic.

2663
04:54:53,420 --> 04:54:55,740
And so it needs to be addressed urgently.

2664
04:55:00,000 --> 04:55:29,980
As part of this project. Further, the city council needs to make a determination as to whether and what the definition of major transit stop is. I haven't received clear evidence that we have a major transit stop in the city. I've heard a staff report, but there's no evidence to demonstrate that we're using practices consistent.

2665
04:55:29,980 --> 04:55:47,340
that with other communities and I think it's important for City Council to weigh in on this and staff to provide background on how we got here because I, again, I just, yeah, that's four minutes, that's it, can, wait, there was, can we make a motion to extend the meeting 15 minutes?

2666
04:55:47,340 --> 04:55:47,860
Yes.

2667
04:55:48,520 --> 04:55:49,420
So moved.

2668
04:55:49,740 --> 04:55:50,100
So moved.

2669
04:55:52,060 --> 04:55:52,660
All

2670
04:55:55,250 --> 04:55:55,670
in favor?

2671
04:55:56,070 --> 04:55:56,250
Yes.

2672
04:55:56,730 --> 04:55:56,910
Yes.

2673
04:55:57,150 --> 04:55:57,350
Yes.

2674
04:55:59,050 --> 04:56:07,830
Did we also have the condition on the air quality, the air monitoring, and was that an advisory on the air monitoring?

2675
04:56:08,230 --> 04:56:13,830
I think my expectation is that Matt's going to take air monitoring into consideration as part of the condition of approval.

2676
04:56:13,830 --> 04:56:15,510
He's going to come up with an air management plan.

2677
04:56:15,550 --> 04:56:20,430
It's already part of the standard conditions of approval, but he's going to look at it for sensitive receptors.

2678
04:56:20,910 --> 04:56:21,950
So I think we're covered there.

2679
04:56:22,150 --> 04:56:24,450
And what about the washing, the washdowns?

2680
04:56:24,690 --> 04:56:26,470
Did we talk about the washdowns?

2681
04:56:26,550 --> 04:56:26,630
Yes, can.

2682
04:56:26,890 --> 04:56:27,170
Okay.

2683
04:56:28,350 --> 04:56:37,730
So, so, so that's my advisory statement is, is I just, I really, City Council needs to look at this and like, you know,

2684
04:56:38,190 --> 04:56:38,830
do you want to read it back?

2685
04:56:39,610 --> 04:56:39,990
Projects.

2686
04:56:40,850 --> 04:56:41,230
No.

2687
04:56:41,630 --> 04:56:42,370
That was a lot.

2688
04:56:42,370 --> 04:56:50,190
So I was understanding that this was going, this is not going to be a written document that we are producing.

2689
04:56:50,410 --> 04:56:54,190
Now you are making a motion based on what you just discussed was my understanding.

2690
04:56:54,390 --> 04:56:58,790
And I understood Commissioner Goren to have initially made the motion and

2691
04:56:58,790 --> 04:57:01,910
Commissioner Hernandez and others added to it.

2692
04:57:02,170 --> 04:57:09,650
So maybe Commissioner Goren, if you wanted to amend your motion to include the additions of the other commissioners.

2693
04:57:09,650 --> 04:57:15,930
And then you could take a vote on whether, as a planning commission, you want to make that recommendation to the City Council.

2694
04:57:15,930 --> 04:57:22,190
Yes, I would amend my motion to include what the other commissioners have said.

2695
04:57:22,510 --> 04:57:22,790
Thank you.

2696
04:57:23,470 --> 04:57:24,030
Second.

2697
04:57:27,960 --> 04:57:39,760
Well, I like the language you just stated about urging Council to prioritize the study of the regional parking and safety.

2698
04:57:40,460 --> 04:57:48,740
I'm not comfortable with us feeling that it's our place to tell City Council to go back and revisit the entire project.

2699
04:57:48,740 --> 04:57:54,260
You think if they want to do that, they'd be well able to do it without the planning commission's input.

2700
04:57:57,240 --> 04:57:58,020
Could we get a vote?

2701
04:58:01,890 --> 04:58:04,130
They may get to on appeal anyway.

2702
04:58:04,650 --> 04:58:10,630
I wish there was a way we could split those two things up so I could support the traffic and the-

2703
04:58:10,630 --> 04:58:14,570
I make a motion so which to you I don't you wanted to

2704
04:58:15,430 --> 04:58:17,710
You should should we do that or no?

2705
04:58:19,790 --> 04:58:21,210
Doesn't even matter

2706
04:58:28,260 --> 04:58:33,560
We have a motion and we've got a second. Yes, do you want to all in favor?

2707
04:58:34,980 --> 04:58:37,840
No, I think we should do a roll call or you want to do a roll call, okay?

2708
04:58:38,920 --> 04:58:42,480
Commissioner Gorn yes, please commission erudic no

2709
04:58:43,260 --> 04:58:44,880
Commissioner Hernandez. Yes

2710
04:58:44,880 --> 04:58:45,060
Yes.

2711
04:58:45,840 --> 04:58:47,880
Commissioner Vice-Chair Joe Hannes.

2712
04:58:48,300 --> 04:58:48,460
Yes.

2713
04:58:49,080 --> 04:58:50,380
And Chair Gosset.

2714
04:58:50,720 --> 04:58:50,960
Yes.

2715
04:58:52,020 --> 04:58:52,400
Okay.

2716
04:58:52,980 --> 04:58:55,040
Motion approved, 4-0.

2717
04:58:55,540 --> 04:58:56,340
4-1, I'm sorry.

2718
04:58:56,860 --> 04:58:57,760
I'm sorry, 4-1.

2719
04:58:58,040 --> 04:58:58,260
It's late.

2720
04:59:00,640 --> 04:59:00,960
Sorry.

2721
04:59:02,080 --> 04:59:04,080
So that's for the advisory meeting.

2722
04:59:04,100 --> 04:59:05,700
Do we want to give a summary of what happened?

2723
04:59:05,960 --> 04:59:06,900
Do you guys, I mean,

2724
04:59:06,960 --> 04:59:07,800
the project was approved.

2725
04:59:07,920 --> 04:59:09,400
The project was approved with us tonight.

2726
04:59:09,440 --> 04:59:10,520
The project has been approved.

2727
04:59:10,520 --> 04:59:12,140
Approved about half an hour ago.

2728
04:59:12,260 --> 04:59:12,880
I'm not done yet.

2729
04:59:13,340 --> 04:59:14,940
So the project's been approved.

2730
04:59:14,940 --> 04:59:20,340
The permit for tonight, the CDP has been approved, so I just want you to know that.

2731
04:59:20,560 --> 04:59:29,160
And the next item on our agenda is public forum for anything that wasn't us on the agenda tonight, if anyone wouldn't want to speak out.

2732
04:59:31,490 --> 04:59:32,730
I have no speakers.

2733
04:59:33,230 --> 04:59:33,470
All right.

2734
04:59:35,490 --> 04:59:36,210
Director's report.

2735
04:59:39,000 --> 04:59:39,660
Director's report.

2736
04:59:40,200 --> 04:59:41,500
Thank you, Chair Gossip.

2737
04:59:41,940 --> 04:59:46,740
Members of the Commission, Steve McCarrison, term community development director of one brief report.

2738
04:59:46,740 --> 04:59:52,980
For the Caltrans, that's our one multi-asset maintenance project that the Planning Commission

2739
04:59:52,980 --> 04:59:54,680
approved on April 9th.

2740
04:59:54,680 --> 04:59:59,680
We received two appeals for that, and that is scheduled for City Council consideration.

2741
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:02,100
I'm May 21st, that's my report.

2742
05:00:06,330 --> 05:00:20,210
Through the chair. When are we going to hear 880 stone pine? As a actual item, I know an emergency CDP has been issued, but are we going to hear that as a actual item?

2743
05:00:23,900 --> 05:00:33,840
Through the chair. So as you recall, 880 stone pine was approved under an emergency CDP, and as a condition of that,

2744
05:00:33,840 --> 05:00:38,960
a full CDP had to be filed with the city that happened within the 60-D period.

2745
05:00:41,040 --> 05:00:47,200
My understanding is that the secret documentation is being finalized right now.

2746
05:00:47,940 --> 05:00:52,900
It will likely be circulated next month, and then there's an appeal period.

2747
05:00:53,200 --> 05:00:59,160
So probably the earliest that that can be heard here is 45 to 60 days.

2748
05:00:59,840 --> 05:01:01,420
Would that be before we break round?

2749
05:01:01,420 --> 05:01:03,340
That is not the plan.

2750
05:01:03,760 --> 05:01:14,920
The whole purpose of the emergency CDP was to move that project forward and not have to wait for the traditional process and the timelines are based on moving forward in the next few weeks.

2751
05:01:15,180 --> 05:01:25,660
Is there anything we can do in the interim to assist the city in the process until the reach need to wait, I guess, until you get the sequa?

2752
05:01:25,660 --> 05:01:40,120
Yeah, we will follow the normal, normal process and of course this is a project that doesn't qualify for the types of bonuses or the density bonus here so it'll be a much more traditional process for the regular CDP.

2753
05:01:40,480 --> 05:01:55,520
I think the bigger issue that I'm concerned with is we have, my understanding is from listening to the Coastal Commission meetings this week, is that we have significant changes coming to state law that impact us in January.

2754
05:01:55,520 --> 05:02:09,500
of 2025, where any that effect density bonus law projects, specifically our discretion

2755
05:02:09,500 --> 05:02:15,060
as a community it sounds like is going to be reduced to ministerial approval based on

2756
05:02:15,060 --> 05:02:16,720
objective development criteria.

2757
05:02:17,540 --> 05:02:22,280
And I have not seen any object, I mean we don't even have standards we can agree on for

2758
05:02:22,280 --> 05:02:28,260
this project, so I'm very concerned that we're behind the eight ball in terms of planning.

2759
05:02:28,560 --> 05:02:38,680
So I understand there's a budget item for this, but where are we at with establishing those objective design criteria under whatever it is state bill 237?

2760
05:02:39,120 --> 05:02:45,240
I would have to have a conversation with our planning staff, but I don't believe we've started that process.

2761
05:02:45,260 --> 05:02:50,940
I think the funding would be the give us the ability to start moving that forward.

2762
05:02:50,940 --> 05:02:53,680
it's beyond the capacity of our existing staff.

2763
05:02:54,220 --> 05:03:05,060
Okay, it's very concerning that from what I've heard, and we want affordable housing in our community.

2764
05:03:05,300 --> 05:03:14,940
I think we want to make more of it, we want to make it work, but I'm sure we'll have a lot to say on it later.

2765
05:03:14,940 --> 05:03:21,640
The other thing is there's another bill coming that's promoted by Assembly Member Albarez,

2766
05:03:22,180 --> 05:03:30,100
which is going to basically remove the coastal act from state density bonus law altogether.

2767
05:03:31,080 --> 05:03:38,080
And I think for those coastal communities aren't paying attention to it, my personal view is that it's a disaster.

2768
05:03:39,000 --> 05:03:44,120
So we've got a lot of work to do just to keep up with the objective design criteria.

2769
05:03:44,120 --> 05:03:50,100
But Senator Albarez's bill is something that I think poses a significant threat to us as a community.

2770
05:03:50,280 --> 05:03:53,660
And I think the, I read the Coastal Commission's report on this.

2771
05:03:53,880 --> 05:03:56,100
They also strongly oppose Albarez's bill.

2772
05:03:56,240 --> 05:03:58,640
And I think it's important for people to get the word out on that.

2773
05:03:59,720 --> 05:04:05,020
And I will say, do you believe we actually took a position of opposition to this bill?

2774
05:04:05,200 --> 05:04:08,360
I can confirm that with our city clerk who manages the legislation.

2775
05:04:08,580 --> 05:04:09,280
Great, thank you.

2776
05:04:11,020 --> 05:04:12,000
Thank you, Matthew.

2777
05:04:12,000 --> 05:04:16,990
Do we have a motion to adjourn or any?

2778
05:04:16,990 --> 05:04:18,290
I have one quick communication.

2779
05:04:19,230 --> 05:04:26,430
You all may know this, but last week the Coastal Commission denied the appeal of the so-called wave crest CLT trail.

2780
05:04:27,390 --> 05:04:29,510
Which means the project is moving forward.

2781
05:04:30,590 --> 05:04:31,770
I've watched that meeting.

2782
05:04:32,670 --> 05:04:33,090
Me too.

2783
05:04:34,050 --> 05:04:35,470
For a bunch of nerds.

2784
05:04:35,950 --> 05:04:37,110
Do you have a motion to adjourn?

2785
05:04:37,770 --> 05:04:39,150
Motion to adjourn.

2786
05:04:40,230 --> 05:04:40,590
Second.

2787
05:04:41,910 --> 05:04:42,970
All in favor?

2788
05:04:42,970 --> 05:04:45,870
Thank you. Good night.