[0:00] Meeting the order of the special budget
meeting of the Hall County Board of
[0:02] Commissioners and ask Mara to call the
role.
[0:05] » Karen Brethar not present. Butchers
[music]
[0:08] » here.
>> Pam Lancaster
[0:10] » present.
>> Eric Quant
[0:11] » here.
>> Ron Peterson
[0:12] » here.
>> Jane Richardson
[0:13] » here.
>> Scott Sen here.
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[0:35] time. Seeing none, we have verified the
affidavit publication. I would entertain
[0:40] a motion or uh entertain a uh public
participation with commissioners cannot
[0:45] take action on non-aggenda items. Is
there anybody that wishes to address the
[0:49] board of commissioners under public
participation? [music]
[0:53] Seeing none, we'll go on to item number
two, discussion of possible action on
[0:58] 2627 budget items.
[1:03] » Kayla,
>> good morning.
[1:05] » Morning.
>> Okay, so as you all know, we have an
[1:09] updated valuation and I that should be
in front of you, I believe. Um, so the
[1:15] total taxable value you'll see has not
changed. So kind of the numbers that we
[1:21] were playing with the levy the other day
are all still relevant because you're b
[1:26] if we left everything the same your levy
would still be even because the total
[1:29] valuation did not change. What did
change is the growth number and so that
[1:35] new growth percentage is only 3.31%. So
that impacts your joint public hearing
[1:41] or pink postcard calculation and it
impacts your allowable authority
[1:46] calculation as well. So, if
hypothetically we left everything the
[1:52] same as it we left it last week, as far
as the joint public hearing, you'll
[1:57] remember we were under that number. With
the new growth number, you would be over
[2:02] and attending the joint public hearing
and that the dollar amount that you're
[2:06] over is $193,9164.
[2:11] So then similarly the growth calc is
affected again if we changed nothing
[2:17] right now you would be losing in like
giving up to the future the authority
[2:22] you'd be losing is $729,9262.
[2:29] And so kind of the same um conundrum we
found ourselves in a week ago just with
[2:35] different different growth number. Um,
and so the goal here is just to
[2:41] figure out where what the board wants to
do, how they want to react to the change
[2:45] in valuation, and what changes we need
to make to the budget. Basically,
[2:50] » I guess my question would be what would
[music] what would it take for us to
[2:56] reduce the levy enough that our we
wouldn't be required to have the pink
[3:00] postcard?
>> Yep. So, that public hearing number is
[3:03] that $193,9164.
[3:07] So, if that is the goal of the board, I
would assume we would do a cut of like
[3:11] 195 or 200,000.
>> And that would and that would also
[3:16] reduce our uh
>> that would like increase your lost
[3:20] authority amount to closer to like
$925,000.
[3:24] » Reduce the levy, but it increase the
extra unused authority.
[3:27] » Correct. Yeah. Cuz it would bring the
levy down. I have those that
[3:30] calculation, too. If we cut, you know,
195, it would bring the levy down to
[3:36] 39775.
[3:41] » The very top.
[3:46] » So, if we would cut, you know, like
$200,000
[3:49] um or 195, I mean, $5,000 doesn't change
the levy. You're you're right in like
[3:53] the $397.70
area
[3:57] [laughter]
compared to right now you're at $4002.
[4:02] » Yeah,
>> cuz I I was going to say I've written
[4:06] notes on these
[4:13] » should.
Yeah, but this is the one I've written
[4:17] notes on.
Um,
[4:20] » I think your I think your uh third page
is the same as it was previously [music]
[4:25] if you're looking at the third page.
>> Well, but I don't have this page. I
[4:28] don't think
so. I updated all of your documents.
[4:33] » I haven't been here. I haven't taken
anything out of my book.
[4:38] » That's strange. Let me grab you.
>> Thank you.
[4:43] » Okay, good. Thank you.
>> I'm sorry about that.
[4:44] » That's okay. No, no, no. Thank you. I've
got a little trouble following along
[4:48] here.
[4:58] » Can we go back and go over the fact that
the growth changed but the total
[5:04] valuation didn't?
>> Um, correct. That is correct. The total
[5:08] the total valuation did not change. Um,
and so the all the levy calcs we were
[5:13] giving previously are all the same.
we're not going to have a big shift, you
[5:16] know, in levy because of that staying
the same. But then since the growth
[5:19] number changed and that number directly
impacts the joint public hearing
[5:23] calculation and the tax authority
calculation, [clears throat] those are
[5:28] changing and so that is what we're kind
of discussing. My understanding of that,
[5:32] which I think is what you're asking. My
understanding of that was that the
[5:36] change had something to do with how the
growth number was calculated um in
[5:41] relation to, you know, new and tipped
properties, I think is what the email
[5:45] said. And so that's why the total did
not change and just the growth.
[5:49] » Yeah. If we have some questions on that,
I did ask Christie to be here today so
[5:53] that if we had some questions about why
that changed
[5:56] » and if you want, I can step down if you
guys want to do that.
[5:59] » Yeah, I'd like to know. Okay. I think it
would be helpful.
[6:01] » I agree.
[6:05] » Morning.
>> Morning.
[6:11] » So the tiff was entered as growth. Um
so which it shouldn't have been and
[6:17] which we all know the entire [music]
city is tiff. Um
[6:22] so um what we did then was just remove
it all that growth and um reran our
[6:31] numbers. So,
>> so is that new tiff or is that all the
[6:37] tiff that all
>> all t another one?
[6:39] » Well, anything that was new like
the hotel by the mall, finishing the
[6:45] mall, Target, any anything like that.
>> But those are all they're all part
[6:50] [music] of the they are new tiff that
the old tiff has already been excluded.
[6:55] I mean,
>> well, any growth,
[6:57] » right? So if it was half done last year
and they went and finished it off, they
[7:01] entered that as growth.
So we had to go in and remove all that
[7:06] and rerun our numbers.
>> So who entered it as growth? I don't
[7:10] understand.
>> Like the field staff when they're doing
[7:12] their work.
>> So which I should have caught it, but I
[7:18] [music] didn't. So that's my fault. I
have my own things going on. So, um,
[7:26] but,
>> uh, can you can you also even though
[7:31] even though we cut the growth quite a
bit, the growth [music] is still quite a
[7:34] bit higher than what it was previous
year. What are some of the projects that
[7:38] might be included? Would that be things
like
[7:42] Hornady's [music]
new plan out at the ordinance plant?
[7:46] » Yes. Um, the casino got finished on this
year, which was huge. Um, [music]
[7:54] » what about like the John Deere location?
Is that Is that Tiff down on on 281?
[7:59] » Um,
>> Murphy Murphy.
[8:02] » Oh, yeah.
>> Yeah.
[8:03] » Murphy there.
>> Yeah.
[8:05] » I can't remember. There's so many.
>> I mean, there's quite a bit of growth
[8:09] out there obviously.
>> Yeah.
[8:11] » Prairie Commons community.
>> Yeah. [music] Cuz not all of Prairie
[8:15] Commons is TIFF. There are a lot of TIFF
stuff there, but
[8:20] » out by the
by the new hospital.
[8:24] » It's all tiff.
>> Not all of it. Balls isn't.
[8:28] » Oh, yeah. That that doesn't count.
>> Yeah,
[8:31] » they own they own their part of the
building, but the rest of it is all t
[8:36] » Well,
>> how can we have three different
[8:39] certifications on growth? We The first
one was 463 million, the second one was
[8:46] 462 million, and now we're down to 268.
and and um I went Mrs. Duly went back
[8:54] and looked the highest we've ever had
was 282 and 23, but we're not anywhere
[9:01] the 331 isn't anywhere close to the
other years and growth.
[9:05] » Well, the first one was a whoopsie. That
was the one where the tiff was entered.
[9:11] Well, we thought, well, the growth was
entered incorrectly, so and I apologize.
[9:16] I was in the hospital when all this was
going on. [snorts and clears throat]
[9:20] So, um,
I had sent something to Mandy which
[9:25] wasn't the correct report, so it got
entered incorrectly
[9:30] and then [music] she ran that one.
And then I tried to fix it [music] and
[9:36] then I was like, "Okay."
Um,
[9:42] I was like, "Okay, that was incorrect."
So, I had to go read through and add
[9:46] everything up by hand
and re-enter everything.
[9:53] That's why.
But, you know, I'll pass these around,
[9:59] but
compared to the other years, I mean, it
[10:05] just it stands out like something's
wrong.
[10:08] » Do you want to come up and sit with us
and we'll go through them one by one?
[10:11] » Your job, Christie.
>> Gary. Gary, show some just explained it.
[10:16] There's been another year bigger.
There's been one year bigger. Sometimes
[10:20] I mean there's a lot of
depend on these numbers.
[10:25] » We know that. But beating the beating a
dead horse does nothing. This is the new
[10:29] number because there was too much tip
included.
[10:34] » Well, all the tip was included.
>> It's now been correct.
[10:38] » Tip was included.
>> But now cut it out.
[10:41] » Yeah. But there has been a lot of
growth. a lot of construction. If you go
[10:44] back and look at our building permits
over the last couple years from the
[10:48] building department, there [music] were
some pretty huge projects in there.
[10:51] » Well, and I I had an opportunity. So, I
called Ryan
[10:55] » and I chatted with him a little bit
about growth and he did say that he felt
[11:00] that he and his counterparts at the city
agreed that growth was was steady or
[11:07] declining [music]
last year. So it's still I mean I share
[11:12] some of the concern about this number. I
mean if if you're if you feel very
[11:16] confident that this is the number
>> I do.
[11:19] » How um who else will this affect? Will
it affect anybody else? Will it affect
[11:26] you know like I it won't affect any
other parts of the county except well
[11:30] it'll affect everybody in the county
depending on
[11:33] » So it really just affects any entity
that's using a gross number. So again,
[11:36] my understanding is that the taxable
value didn't change for anybody because
[11:39] I me and Kim reviewed those because of
the fire districts and making sure you
[11:42] need a fire district, you know, redo.
And so then since the only thing that
[11:46] appears to have changed is the growth
number, it only affects those other
[11:49] entities to the degree they're using the
growth number. So for example, like you
[11:52] guys and then you know the city and
schools, you're using the growth number
[11:56] for your authority calculations and for
your joint public hearing. Um for all of
[12:01] the other entities, they're still on the
old lid cal. Um so the the growth is
[12:07] also affecting um their authority
calculation. Um but they aren't have
[12:12] they don't have to do like a joint
public hearing. So they don't have you
[12:15] know like a deadline this Friday like
you guys do um to to have to kind of
[12:20] make a decision by
>> Okay.
[12:22] » Yeah. Essentially every entity is using
the growth number in some capacity
[12:26] because everyone has some kind of lid/
authority count and that number is part
[12:30] of that. Um but that that'd be the main
thing except for the the city, the
[12:35] county and the school. You have the two
calculations.
[12:39] » Worst case scenario, if this would
happen to be high, how will it affect us
[12:44] going forward like next year?
[12:48] » Okay. So, let's say hypothetically, we
think through I'm thinking through this
[12:52] live. So, hypothetically, let's say we
come back
[12:55] » and I'm sorry I didn't put you on this.
>> No, you're okay. No, you're fine. This
[12:58] is my job. You're good. we come back in
a month and find out it's still too
[13:02] because if it's too low, it's just, you
know, more authority loss or something.
[13:06] The bigger problem would be if it was
too high [music] and then you, let's
[13:10] say, for example, let's say you cut 200
a day, you stay right under the hearing.
[13:14] Well, if it came back again and it was
lower and then you should have attended
[13:18] the hearing.
I can't say that that I don't I'm not
[13:22] aware that that's like written into the
law anywhere of like what would happen
[13:25] if the ser would change again because
you you I would say you you're acting in
[13:29] the information that you have now and
this would be um a good party question
[13:33] too of what his thoughts are from the
legal standpoint because you're acting
[13:36] on the information you have and I don't
really know what else you're supposed to
[13:39] do besides act on the information you
have. Um, I mean, we would obviously
[13:43] have to contact the state and the state
auditor and show them, you know, the
[13:47] paper trail of how we acted and what we
believed to be, you know, the
[13:50] information we had, but that would be
the biggest thing cuz again, you have
[13:55] you're going to be at the cap of your
authority. So, worst case scenario
[13:59] there, you would end up using a little
bit of the authority that you, you know,
[14:04] have saved. I don't foresee an instance
where you would the the number would be
[14:10] so different that you wouldn't have
enough authority to cover your levies.
[14:14] Like I wouldn't foresee that. I would
think the biggest issue would be if you
[14:17] wouldn't have held a hearing and you
should have. But again, if you're acting
[14:20] on the information you have on that day,
I don't see how you could be held,
[14:26] you know, to a higher standard. And
technically this will be the last year
[14:30] that this type of thing applies because
next year we will be required to have
[14:36] the joint public hearing no matter what
our levy is.
[14:39] » Correct. Because it'll be happening on
the front which again I think is makes a
[14:42] lot more sense based on what I think the
intent of the legislature was.
[14:45] » Yeah.
>> Okay. And according to the information
[14:49] that we got from the state they referred
us back to the assessor
[14:55] » for any additional information. [music]
So we So you're right. If we're acting
[14:59] on the information that we have at the
time, it falls on the assessor.
[15:03] Whatever. I mean, it's just what it is,
>> right?
[15:05] » So that's why I ask you how certain you
were that this was correct.
[15:10] » I'm certain.
>> Okay. Any other questions for Christie?
[15:15] » Is this something that we need to have
the state out here look at?
[15:21] » That is completely up to you guys as a
board. I don't
[15:26] know what you what they would expect to
find and I don't know what they'd even
[15:30] be willing what they'd be willing to
review. I guess
[15:33] » I don't know that the state auditor
knows how to calculate these numbers. I
[15:38] mean in fact I ask you take the numbers
that Chris's office has and she was
[15:42] using them together and should add it up
correctly. It be the same number. That's
[15:47] my concern when I I've discussed this at
length after I decided or after I
[15:52] realized we were having the public
meeting and it sounds as though um
[15:57] that's what would happen. So unless
there is an incorrect calculation
[16:01] somewhere along the line with the other
numbers
[16:05] it they would just take the numbers that
she has run them through and because
[16:10] they weren't here in the on the onset. I
mean that would take that would take
[16:15] months to determine you know from the
onset what took place and how it took
[16:21] place and if there's an air where the
air is and so on. So I I don't think
[16:26] Gary the auditor would take it on. I I
the I don't know about the state
[16:30] assessor.
>> Even if they would I I would say it be
[16:35] impossible that you would get an answer
before the end of this week, which is
[16:39] what you need to
>> I understand that. But these numbers are
[16:43] numbers that affect every year
afterwards.
[16:47] And we got to know at some point that
the starting point's going to be right.
[16:54] I'm going be honest with you. I don't
trust these numbers.
[16:59] » We got three sets of numbers so far.
>> Well, that second set shouldn't have
[17:04] happened.
>> You're just looking for something to
[17:07] stir the pot and put in the paper, Gary.
>> No, I'm not. The numbers are right. I
[17:12] wouldn't have said nothing.
[17:21] Well, I'm I'm satisfied with the numbers
and I think it really there isn't
[17:26] anything
that can be done that makes any sense
[17:30] that could be solved within the time
frame that we have to work with in terms
[17:34] of doing the joint public [music]
hearing
[17:36] » because any any changes we have to they
have to be done by September 4th. The
[17:40] pink card, correct?
>> Yeah.
[17:45] And I um
I share the the the second part of your
[17:49] statement, the fact that there really
isn't there's not time to do anything
[17:52] else anyway. [music]
I share the concern that these numbers
[17:58] are high,
but I don't know where. [music] I mean,
[18:03] I have no idea.
I mean,
[18:08] we're in a conundrum where we've just
got to decide whether whether we trust
[18:13] them enough to move forward, I guess.
>> And and we don't have a choice [music]
[18:17] time frame to do anything else.
>> So, I think we're caught between a rock
[18:22] and a hard spot.
>> But I do I I I want that noted that I
[18:27] share the concern that this number is
high. We'll just
[18:30] » But we'll say the number we'll say
here's $120 million. If we're $120
[18:35] million off, look at the numbers that
we've got today. That's how much we
[18:39] would be off again.
>> Well, pretty close.
[18:45] » Somehow or other. I mean, I'm sure
there'd be there's got to be a way to
[18:49] correct that at some point somehow. But
I don't I'm not [clears throat] I'm not
[18:55] Gayla. I can't tell you how it's done.
In fact, I don't think there's anybody
[18:59] else [music] in the county
that I mean that I can think of that
[19:04] that could
support or dispute these numbers.
[19:10] [music] It's just they are what they are
for today because we don't have any more
[19:14] time and there's nobody else who can
compute them. I mean [music] even even
[19:18] Kayla said you that that's a different
situation from what I do mean what she
[19:23] does. Christy, is it possible to print
[clears throat] out a listing of like
[19:28] what makes up the growth? Like is it I
mean I don't know if that would bring
[19:31] the board any comfort is if we could see
a list that is the you know $268
[19:37] million and say okay 50 million if it's
this and then I don't know if that would
[19:41] bring the board any comfort of like yes
those are legitimate projects we based
[19:46] on your knowledge of what's going on in
the county. Yep. I don't think that's
[19:50] tiff. I don't think that's tiff. Would
that bring the board comfort if we could
[19:54] get a detail of that growth number? What
makes that up?
[19:59] » I think it's information we have.
>> I can send that. I have it.
[20:03] » I [clears throat] wonder if that would
help bring comfort of like being able to
[20:05] see what is in the growth since I I
believe that's the number that is um
[20:09] causing concern and knowing like, okay,
this project, yep, I don't think that's
[20:14] tipped. Number seems reasonable. You
know that I don't think that's tipped. I
[20:17] don't think that's tipped.
>> Why Why don't we ask Christie to do
[20:21] that? And in the meantime, [music] we
can move on with our discussion.
[20:25] » I agree.
>> But I I don't think we need seven
[20:28] seven stacks of [music] paper. I think
that's waste of money. We we need one.
[20:33] » No, I think it might be one a one sheet
thing.
[20:36] » I don't know how much it is. And my
guess and I don't know if there's a way
[20:38] to sort it like if we're export it to
Excel and I can sort it because we don't
[20:43] need to look at every single one. We
need to look at the biggest 10 and see
[20:47] if those make sense.
>> Right.
[20:49] » Yeah. And the one thing I'd also
mention, I mean, [clears throat] you
[20:52] talked to Ryan. Did you happen to
mention or ask him what he thought of
[20:55] the last two years because a lot of
these [music] projects that went on the
[20:58] tax rules for last year were started the
year before? Because I would agree. I
[21:01] think the market's definitely cooling
here in the last 18 months. [music]
[21:05] However, there's a lot of projects that
were started two, three years ago that
[21:08] came on the rolls in the last year that
I'm aware of. I know when I started my
[21:13] own building project, it was a two-year
process and
[21:16] » I think mine was 90% complete in
December and then it was the next year
[21:19] after when they fully went on the rolls.
It's just I did ask
[21:22] » I think a lot of it's a timing thing.
>> I did ask him.
[21:25] » Okay.
>> And he said in generalities that things
[21:28] had stayed the same or cooled.
>> Same or cool. Okay.
[21:33] » So he did not see a huge growth. He said
there were that that he could point to a
[21:38] project or two over the years that you
know like the the Hornet was a was a
[21:44] really nice [music] deal and he said
this year already they have a really
[21:49] nice deal with the ethanol plant. So
they have you know a building permit and
[21:53] he said that his [music] counterparts
and he had had meaning the city had had
[21:58] discussions about it and they all had
pretty much felt the same. [music] I I
[22:03] explained to him why,
you know, why I was concerned. I wasn't
[22:07] just, you know, so I mean, he I thought
I thought he uh I just told him I didn't
[22:14] need specific numbers. I needed
generalities.
[22:16] » Ryan would know.
>> I think he would.
[22:18] » Yep.
>> But the percentages other than one year
[22:22] and this year, they've all been below
2%.
[22:28] It's
>> Yeah,
[22:31] » we know the concern
>> being
[22:34] a what?
>> You got some big build.
[22:36] » I think [music] like you guys said,
let's get a list from Christie.
[22:40] » Yeah, just
>> Could you do that, Christie? Would you
[22:43] » run that and and maybe get it?
>> We appreciate it.
[22:47] » If you can just email it to Kim and then
we can pull it up.
[22:50] » Okay. Okay.
>> All right. Thank you very much.
[23:12] So based on the numbers that we have, we
have to make decisions [music]
[23:16] accordingly. We can't make decisions
based off the three different numbers.
[23:19] We make decisions off of the current
number we have. Is that correct?
[23:22] » That's correct.
>> Absolutely.
[23:23] » Okay. So moving forward, I don't know
what the appetite is of the board. If we
[23:28] [music] want to attend a joint public
hearing, we've done it the last three,
[23:32] four years now. Um I guess I would defer
to the chairman as to what [music]
[23:36] his opinion is on that since he is
typically one to take the brunt of some
[23:41] of that.
Well,
[23:44] um I think the advantage of reducing the
uh
[23:50] uh number to so that we don't have the
pink postcard would be that we then have
[23:56] an adjustment in our levy which would be
attractive to the taxpayers. [music]
[24:02] Um,
I don't have any strong feelings about
[24:05] it, but um, I came in this morning
thinking that I would probably be in
[24:10] favor of reducing [music] it by the 195.
>> Okay.
[24:15] » Any ideas where?
>> Uh, you'd set the levy at 39775. [music]
[24:20] » Yeah.
>> We can reduce it on the area that we
[24:26] increased it from the last meeting.
>> Right.
[24:30] » Just miscellaneous.
Right.
[24:34] I mean, something else I also thought of
while we were running all these numbers
[24:38] is if I don't know if the board has any
discomfort of having that much money in
[24:42] miscellaneous general, we could we
couldn't move all I did the calc. We
[24:46] couldn't move all of it. Um, but we
could move some of it to like the bond
[24:50] levy if you want to, you know, have some
more there to pay off in the future
[24:53] because it wouldn't change the levy. We
just be shifting it and that way it's
[24:57] not available to be, you know, spent.
But that depends on if you guys think
[25:01] you'd have a need or a reason or a want
to spend that over the next year.
[25:06] » Yeah. The problem with that is that
[music] if the salary study determines
[25:09] that we have a
>> Yeah. then you wouldn't be available to
[25:12] you
>> because anything
[25:13] » now in the future you could move that
money back to the general levy and use
[25:16] it for salaries. But yes, the if like
for example, let's say you moved
[25:19] $100,000 to the bond levy, you could
never move that $100,000 back, but you
[25:24] could in the future levy that $100,000
in the general fund going forward. Yeah,
[25:29] but the bond money can only be spent
[music] for bond,
[25:31] » right?
>> Which is true. I guess from my
[25:33] perspective, the amount of money we're
talking about is,
[25:37] you know, not a significant percentage.
And so, yes, if we have that in
[25:42] reserves, you can use it one time, but
that's only a one-time use. It's not a
[25:46] forever future utilization. So you
you're just saying if you're depending
[25:50] on that chunk of money, you're in 2
years, you're going to have to make
[25:55] another big correction in your
operations to fund those salaries
[26:00] » cuz it's only a one time thing.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And that's
[26:05] » right.
>> Yeah. It's [clears throat] I mean it's
[26:06] one of the cautious things about
spending money having a fund that isn't
[26:11] replenished. It's the same, quite
frankly, it's the same thing the state
[26:15] is doing by pulling all these funds.
>> That's exactly right.
[26:18] » And it's a one-time thing,
>> right?
[26:23] » Yeah, that's right.
>> Which is what brings up the concern with
[26:25] like losing authority, which I I think I
think this would be a whole different
[26:29] situation if we had the salary study in
hand. We'd know exactly what we had to
[26:32] do. So, I completely understand the
board's um you know, the direction
[26:36] you're headed because you it's you can't
it's hard to make a decision to do
[26:39] something when you don't have the
information. But that's what I super
[26:43] dislike about the new calculation is
you're losing the ability to levy those
[26:48] dollars forever going forward.
And I it's nothing I can control or you
[26:53] guys can control. But I just wish the
calculation wasn't like that cuz it's
[26:57] making this decision. We would this
decision would not be as hard if we
[27:01] didn't have these different pieces.
>> Well, and it makes no sense that you
[27:04] have to levy it this year for future
unused authority. [music]
[27:07] It It's
>> right. uh they ought to allow you to
[27:11] carry forward 5% if you have that
ability and
[27:16] » right
>> well the governor says he's looking at
[27:19] capping valuation valuation increases
now I don't know if he'll get it done or
[27:23] not but
>> we talked to him four or five years ago
[27:30] » yeah how you going to do both I I but I
more comfortable
[27:35] » not not messing with the bond I myself.
I'm more comfortable.
[27:40] » So, just a change to the miscellaneous
general.
[27:43] » Yeah. [clears throat]
>> Yep.
[27:46] » And [music]
Yeah. Well, and if we have Yeah. Well,
[27:50] it is what it is, right?
>> So, um
[27:52] » Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion
that we uh set the levy at 39775,
[27:58] which would be a reduction in the
[music] levy of $227
[28:04] per 100,000, and take the difference out
of miscellaneous general.
[28:09] » Second.
[28:13] » Any further [music] discussion?
[28:18] Oh,
[28:32] » six yes votes. Motion carries. Yeah. I
do want to add though to the comments
[28:38] one more time the fact that um we are
Whoops. We made these decisions based on
[28:44] the information we have before us, which
is the number we [music] received from
[28:48] the assessor.
>> I think that's fair.
[28:51] » I think that's fair.
>> I'm assuming, Kim, you haven't gotten
[28:55] anything from Christie yet.
[29:06] Hey, Marty, not to put you on the spot,
but we were having a discussion
[29:11] um about the change in valuations, and I
know the budget area isn't your
[29:15] expertise, but I don't I'm not aware
that the law dictates what would happen
[29:19] if we got another new certified value
after,
[29:24] » let's say, or even if we found out
something after the end of the month
[29:28] when everything's finalized. I know that
there are stipulations in place for like
[29:33] republishing notices and things like
that, but are you aware of any other
[29:37] like legal consequences for the board?
>> I am completely unaware. And
[29:42] » it's fine.
>> And so I don't I want my my comments to
[29:45] be read as a neutral. We we're going to
want to get outside information. If if
[29:50] you need that question answered, we're
going to want to reach out.
[29:54] I'm sorry.
>> No, that's okay. I have some additional
[29:56] news for you later, but um I can't
answer that question. Not my area of
[30:02] expertise. Don't want to advise the
board correctly.
[30:04] » Okay.
>> And just so that you're aware before you
[30:06] came in, we made the statement
in as much as you know we as a group
[30:13] have determined that we're acting upon
the information that we have in here.
[30:19] And there is an email from the state
when questions were asked the state
[30:25] suggesting that that I'm going to keep
in my budget book by the way. I hope you
[30:28] keep a copy and maybe Kayla will too
that that actually states that you need
[30:33] to go back to your assessor. So we are
doing what the state I mean you know
[30:38] we're screwing up so to speak. Sorry.
>> Yeah. Because we did we did reach out to
[30:43] the state auditor and they directed us
to the uh department of revenue.
[30:48] » Yes. um which they were [music] aware of
the situation and they directed us to
[30:53] back to the necessary
information.
[30:58] » Yeah. And and in all fairness, I've been
I mean I want you all to know I've been
[31:02] [music] mega concerned about this and
I've imposed on Kayla's good nature
[31:07] several times. So, uh, anyway, she's
been very good to to quiet my concerns,
[31:13] uh, best she could, and that was one of
the things that was accomplished was
[31:16] going to the states.
>> Well, Kayla and I had a secret meeting
[31:19] in the parking lot at the state fair.
[laughter]
[31:21] » Yeah.
>> Oh, no.
[31:23] » I pulled into the I pulled into the
state fair parking lot and all of a
[31:27] sudden, somebody rolls down the window
and next [laughter]
[31:31] » just by chance. Can you I mean, it was
it was Friday morning, so it wasn't busy
[31:35] cuz I would have been way if you were
there. Saturday morning, you know, it
[31:38] would have been statistically impossible
to get a spot next to each other. It was
[31:42] Friday morning and I was like, what are
the chances?
[31:47] » You can't get away from it.
>> Did you try to
[31:50] » No, I rolled down my window and I said,
>> well, and my my eyes were dilated from
[31:54] the bright sun and I [laughter] I and
she was in the dark and I wasn't sure
[31:58] who was talking to me.
>> I was me. I was like, I don't want to
[32:00] scare him, but
>> I sincerely appreciate all your help.
[32:04] » Well, I just hear So, I went to the
budget like so there. Okay. So, if you
[32:08] obviously I don't expect you guys to do
this, but like I I pull up all these
[32:11] budget forms. I'm like Kim has them in
MIPS, but there's manual ones on the
[32:14] website and I always look at those too
because the state and Niko is so kind to
[32:18] like put some information on different
state statutes in there. I looked there
[32:22] and there wasn't anything good, but
there is a budget FAQ that the state um
[32:27] auditor has out here. And so one of the
questions does talk about what do you do
[32:31] if the certified valuation um changes
after the budget and tax request is
[32:36] adopted. So like after the end of the
month and basically do you need to do
[32:40] anything? And it talks about I think the
things that we kind of already discussed
[32:44] which is giving me more comfort of we
basically would reook at all of our
[32:48] calculations. Um it doesn't specifically
address what to do if you didn't attend
[32:54] the hearing and you should have. This is
more focused on if it would cause you to
[32:59] exceed the levy, which at 297 you guys
are well below your 50 cent allowable
[33:05] levy. So that's just I would say not in
the realm of possibility that it would
[33:10] cause you to change the levy and that
that's what this question is focused on.
[33:14] Um, but again, it's still suggesting
like review the levy calc, review the
[33:18] different calculations and you know,
obviously you need to put an amend
[33:22] amended budget in. But I guess the fact
that it's not addressing the public
[33:26] hearing would make me think you acted on
the information you had and I mean what
[33:30] can anybody do at that point?
[33:35] » Okay,
>> that's all we do every year,
[33:39] » right?
>> Good.
[33:43] Um, thanks.
>> Is there anything else that needs to be
[33:46] brought before the board today? I did
mention to Butch and Gary, and if Karen
[33:51] [music] was interested, the chief did
mention the other day that anyone that
[33:55] would like to take a tour of the uh
courthouse edition, they would be glad
[34:00] to take you through [music] there. They
are at the point where the pretty much
[34:04] the drywall is done on the first floor.
the uh studs are up in this uh second
[34:12] floor and they're finishing that on the
third floor. So, [music] they're moving
[34:16] quite quite rapidly on getting all of
that done. So,
[34:20] » he said they're about three months
ahead.
[34:22] » Well, if they're that far ahead,
he was hoping
[34:26] » they they're certainly on they're on
time and on budget. That's the best
[34:30] thing I [music] can say.
>> Yeah. So,
[34:32] » so there's no no one wants to go any
further and whether the state auditor or
[34:37] whoever it is look at it.
>> Can you guys trust these numbers?
[34:43] » We got problem.
>> No, I know I came in I know I came in
[34:47] late. Were these numbers redone by
Christie?
[34:51] » Yes.
>> And she's going to send us a list of
[34:54] like the top 10 growth items or she's
going to send it to Cam. The growth
[34:59] number is the number in question
number
[35:03] » and it's still high
>> but that affects this board and what we
[35:07] have to do
>> for all the other [music] personally
[35:12] » well I think you reach didn't you reach
out to the state auditor and they told
[35:15] us to go to the department of revenue
department revenue whoever whoever is
[35:20] responsible you know
>> circle back to assessor
[35:24] » that back to assessor so this is what we
have to deal with Yeah.
[35:28] » So, we're
[35:32] » we don't trust the numbers. We don't
judge the numbers.
[35:35] » Yeah,
>> that's that's kind of the way it stands,
[35:39] Barry.
>> Okay. Uh, anything else to be brought
[35:43] before the board. Jean and Pam, I'd like
to visit with you just a second of
[35:47] update on what happened at the meeting
the other day. Just so,
[35:51] Chris, is there anything else, Kayla,
that we need to do?
[35:54] » No. Right. uh with the with the cut of
the 195,000 and setting the levy at the
[35:58] number that Scott mentioned that puts
you below pink postcard calculations
[36:02] based on the number that we have now. Um
we've reviewed the authority cal. We've
[36:06] reviewed what the levy, you know, will
be. Scott had that in his in his motion.
[36:10] So, um if you don't have any questions
for me, I don't believe we need anything
[36:15] at the moment.
>> Okay. Seeing none, we are adjourned.
[36:18] » Thank you.
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